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Talk:Scott Carson

Nomination for deletion
For the February 2005 deletion debate, see Votes for deletion/Scott Carson. The decision was to keep the article. jni 12:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Early career
At which club did Leeds spot him? The article says Workington Reds AND Cleator Moor FC. I don't know which is right. --Slumgum 22:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

The official FA website says he was "picked up from local club Cleator Moor Celtic". . The Workington Reds link is referred to on the Leeds United webpage and by the BBC. . What is clear is that Carson started his career playing for Cleator Moor. Average Earthman 11:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Overlinking
Before editing the infobox to have a link for every instance of "Liverpool", please see WP:MOS-L.

An article is overlinked if "a link is excessively repeated in the same article; however, duplicating an important link distant from a previous occurrence is appropriate".

cheers, aLii 18:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * All clubs in the player infobox should be linked as per WikiProject Football style guide. I also agree with Slumgum; partially linked lists look messy, so it benefits the article to include the link in the infobox. See Ignore all rules. --Dan1980 19:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Or one could choose to agree with this football player infobox style guide. I personally think that linking every instance looks messy, and that having the current one not linked highlights it in a way. I'm not going to revert you again, but I just want to point out that you aren't correct :)
 * It's something that really needs looking at and sorting definitively. It's no good having three different style guides. aLii 19:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry, i accidentally messed up Carson's stats table (put leeds on again) i cant fix it, very sorry

England career
As Carson never played for England and is not listed on any of the statistics sites as an England international, is it correct to include him in the "England international footballers" category? Daemonic Kangaroo 05:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 * How about this:

 * as an argument? The prose of the article talks about it somewhat too. aLii 13:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't deny that - my point is that he is the only player included in the category who has never made a single appearance for England. Perhaps in time he'll finally get the chance to put this right! Daemonic Kangaroo 16:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Well now he has, against Croatia on November 21st, 2007. Although I still support him taken off as an England international - he let in three goals (two due to horeendous errors, and all due to lack of confidence). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.166.244.101 (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

WBA
Sounds like Villa sent him packing, reality is that Liverpool and Villa were poles apart in their valuation of the player. Language used certainly wants attention. Londo 06  15:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Place of birth
I have changed his place of birth to Whitehaven. This is supported by the following sources:
 * Soccerbase
 * Liverpoolfc.tv
 * Englandstats.com
 * 4thegame.com
 * Yahoo Sport
 * Sky Sports
 * FA.com
 * Sky Sports football yearbook 2008-2009 p490
 * Football Manager 06 to 09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.16.78 (talk) 14:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Only one source, a local news article, has his birthplace as Cleator Moor. --Jameboy (talk) 16:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Article protection.
Apologies if this is not the appropriate place to discuss this but… Does this article really need to still be protected from vandalism? It has been protected since November 2008 and I guess that many of the issues that it was encountering by way of vandalism have either been forgotten about or may have moved elsewhere. I think there is little further need to protect this one. I would be surprised if it received more undue attention than any other article if protection were removed. Of course, if I'm wrong, it could always be reinstated following reversion. Of course, it may be wise to wait until after the 2010 World Cup has finished before removing protection.IrishPete (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on "protecting" this article, and the incorrect/vandalised information which it contains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.203.220.18 (talk) 15:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

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Isn't he a Premier League winner with City in 20-21?
The Honours section needs to be updated.—indopug (talk) 11:52, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It's unclear if he was given a winner's medal for a single appearance. He said he would take one if he was offered it (who wouldn't?) but I think it would be up to the club.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The 12th floor

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 09:03, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The 12th floor
I cannot find evidence for this. Zero Google hits for "the 12th floor" + "stephanie rossi"; same results with "twelfth". JoaoRicardo 12:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've also been unable to find evidence of the book or the author. A Google search for "Stephanie Rossi" + "floor" doesn't turn up any mention of either. Carrp | Talk 13:25, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No relevant hits for the author on Amazon.com either. Mgm|(talk) 13:41, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Non notable. Inter 16:27, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I've actually read it. The author posted it rather offtopically in rec.arts.int-fiction, so you can check it out through Google Groups. Beware though, the author's writing style is not better than that of the article. Grue 17:46, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not encyclopedic, and carelessly written. Wyss 19:39, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Tyndrum

Tyndrum (Taigh an Droma) is a small village in Scotland. Its Gaelic name translates as "the house on the ridge". It lies in Strathfillan, at the southern edge of Rannoch Moor.

Location and facilities
Tyndrum is a popular tourist village, and a noted stop on the A82 for road travellers to refresh at the Green Welly Stop or one of the several other cafés and hotels. There is a filling station. The village is on the West Highland Way, and has a campsite, hotel, bunkhouse and bed and breakfasts to accommodate walkers.

Overshadowed by Ben Lui, a Munro, Tyndrum is built over the battlefield where Clan MacDougall defeated Robert the Bruce in 1306 CE, and supposedly took from him the Brooch of Lorn.

A church was built at Clifton in 1829 by Lady Glenorchy.

Railways
The village is notable as a junction of transport routes. The West Highland Line railway from Glasgow splits approximately 5 mi to the south at Crianlarich, with one branch heading to Fort William and the other to Oban. Tyndrum has a station on each branch: Upper Tyndrum on the Fort William line and Tyndrum Lower on the Oban line. Thus unusually there are two stations serving the same small village, only a few hundred yards apart, but about 10 mi apart by rail.

Indeed, Tyndrum is the smallest settlement in the UK with more than one railway station. This is partly a legacy of the history of the railways in the area, after two separate railways belonging to different railway companies were built through the village. However, the main reason is geography: splitting the line in Crianlarich allows the contours of the glen to be used to avoid very steep climbs heading north or west from Tyndrum. Roads mirror this division: the A82 from Glasgow to Fort William passes through Tyndrum, and the A85 to Oban splits off just north of the village.

Mines
Tyndrum is a former mining centre. The hamlet of Clifton (the row of cottages across the A82 from the Green Welly) is made up of the former mining cottages, and up the hillside beyond them the tailings of a former lead mine can be seen. Historical records indicate that the mine was exploited in several different phases between 1730 and 1928. Opencast mining was carried out from 1741 to 1745 under the orders of Sir Robert Clifton. The Scots Mining Company owned the mineral rights to the area from 1768 to 1791, introducing water-powered crushing machinery.

The site of a gold mine is 2 mi to the south and west of Tyndrum at Cononish, above Cononish Farm. Work on constructing the mine began in the 1980s but low gold prices forced the closure of the mine before it became fully operational. In October 2011 it was announced that the mine would be reactivated. It was expected to employ 52 people and produce 163,000 ozt of gold and 596,000 ozt of silver over the next 10 years, thereby generating an estimated £80 million for the Scottish economy. Following planning difficulties, which featured in the BBC Four programme Tales from the National Parks, and a fall in the price of gold, opening of the mine was again delayed. In an update on the project released by Scotgold in May 2015, total ore reserves are now estimated at 198,000 ozt of gold and 851,000 ozt of silver. In July 2023, Scotgold began a review of its activities following disappointing production figures and suspended share trading in September 2023.

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Personal attack ?
Please don't make personal attacks on other Users. This could be the beginning of a process to get you blocked from editing. RickK 19:45, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

The above is actually an official Wikipedia policy by the way, see No personal attacks. Re: -- Curps 01:36, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

RickK - Okay, sure, maybe I wasn't tactful, but there's such as thing as being too polite, you know? I'm just wondering why Wikipedians don't seem to react as strongly to implied personal attacks and slander. It actually seems more offensive to me to be make attacks by implication (or ommission) than to come out and call a spade a spade. There was more to my post than the awful crime of calling someone "stupid": hoping some people might pick up on that. Besides, it's not like I swore at the guy or anything. But fundamentally I agree: better to civil than hostile. Serge Dupouy 01:43, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Curps. Where can I find the policy on dealing with fanatical bias? Serge Dupouy 01:43, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The only policies I can suggest for this are Neutral point of view and Dispute resolution.

 * It may seem silly to crack down hard on someone just for using words like "stupid", but in fact people can and have been blocked from editing for a pattern of doing so. The real reason is not because everybody wants to be super politically correct and hypocritically polite; the real reason is, to make Wikipedia work, people have to compromise... and someone you've just finished insulting is going to be in no mood to compromise.  So prohibiting personal attacks is just one of the ways to try to stop edit wars from escalating out of control by not inflaming the emotions of the other party. -- Curps 01:59, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Quote: "the real reason is, to make Wikipedia work, people have to compromise... and someone you've just finished insulting is going to be in no mood to compromise." Good point. You've convinced me. Thanks for acknowledging my concerns about hypocrisy. I would imagine that hypocritical 'sham' edits would be quite common on a site like this (I've seen them elsewhere before).
 * But remember that if person starts from a false front, and if they really are trying to manipulate the debate, then that person won't be in a mood to compromise in the first place. Assuming the best of people is all well and good, but isn't there also a healthy level of scepticism required as well? I was reacting to what I saw as a sneak attack on somebody else, and maybe I overdid it, but who gets to say "Hold! Enough!" Serge Dupouy 02:21, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You're right that sometimes disputes happen; it takes two to be reasonable and compromise. I guess "no personal attacks" just tries to avoid adding fuel to the fire in cases like that. Happy editing. -- Curps 03:51, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

-- Ha! Just found something interesting. I guess I should have used this phrasing (of the exact same concept) instead: "I don't know what thought worries me more - the thought that you know what you are doing or the thought that you don't. Either way, I recomment stopping it." -- AlexR 10 Oct 2004 (UTC), in heteronormativity

Please don't add personal remarks to articles, and don't link to the Wikipedia: space from article text. There are much nicer and more effective ways of dealing with POV issues. I recommend polite use of the talk page. In addition to Avoid self-references you may be interested in Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Happy editing. Rhobite 03:36, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Whoops. That was meant to be a hidden reference. Okay, so I put a Wikipedia link on the page: does that really justify removing ALL of my edits? Yet another user who assumes from my comments that NOTHING I have added might possibly have any value.

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