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Talk:Piano maintenance

Keeping the lid down?
Hi-

I'm puzzled by:

 * "While the wooden lid over the keys gives protection while the instrument is not in use, it does contribute to the yellowing of the white keys over time and maintaining a white appearance is greatly assisted by closing the lid only when necessary, or better still not at all."

No source is given, and neither is a mechanism given. (For example, might the plastic somehow exude a gas that yellows plastic, so that ventilation is needed? This seems unlikely). On the other hand, it sounds just like the sort of "information" that gets passed down as folklore.

I therefore ask the author of this passage to say where (s)he got the information from; if this information can't be substantiated it would probably be better to delete the passage--it would be embarrassing if we were propagating an old wives' tale.

Thanks very much, Opus33 04:44, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hello,

I'm not the author but I agree with the point about keeping the lid open. Probably it was thought that since sunlight (and peroxide bleach) was used to bleach the keytops originally, then daily sunlight exposure will keep them white. But we notice that the part of the ivory that goes under the fallboard (keyboard lid) does not get any more yellow than the exposed part of the keytop. So, yes, I would say it is an old wives' tale. I have edited that part out. Tom

I have seen many pipe organ keys where the fallboard is often locked from Sunday through Friday, and the ivory key coverings have often been very yellow!! clavierking (choir boy to piano rebuilder) Clavierking (talk) 20:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

External Links Discussion
I added some external links to sites with good quantities of free information on piano care. Seemed appropriate as the article itself does not have a tremendous amount of detail, which is probably just as well given that entire books are available on the subject. Comments and suggestions on these links welcome. Carboncopy 01:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I have removed links to tuning schools and piano repair equipment suppliers. They do not add significant amounts of free information; rather they advertise products and services (using guidelines in the Wikipedia article on External links to avoid). These entities and many, many like them are easily found with a google search. I left the ptg.org link. See the discussion on these same issues and websites over at Talk:Piano Tuning. -- Carboncopy 19:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Carboncopy, It seems that you are quite partial to some commercial enterprises, but not others. This is a matter for which if we are going to allow some, then all must also stay (this isn't for you alone to decide). That being said (in order to satisfy), all such links have been removed. LONGTIMERPT

 * The "commercial enterprise" links which Carboncopy removed contained no information about care and maintenance of pianos; rather they were links to schools and supply companies. The page is about piano care, and as such, links to pages about piano care are relevant. Their mild commerciality is not their reason for inclusion, but rather the information is. These links have valuable information about piano care- the kind you can't find in the yellow pages, which is what the links he removed were. If those pages had some relevant information on them, we'd let them stay, but they don't, and that's what the difference is between those links and the ones we kept. - Rainwarrior 05:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

So now we are to understand that a website designed almost entirely for commercial enterprise, and more to the point, offering technical how-to information without any real qualifiation being assured for the instructional content offered is somehow more safe, vital and informative than accredited schools who are actually in the business of teaching piano tuning & technology? Surely, you jest. I would like to offer a basis for our POV which may well assure a much more balanced set of "rules" than our constantly editing each other over and over (this only defeats our mutual goals here - we should be trying to work together). Please consider the suggestons made on my talk page in the hopes of aiding some definition to this topic. BTW: nice job on the frequency chart!! LONGTIMERPT

 * The visitor to the Wikipedia is looking for information. FREE and accurate information--that is the Wikipedia way. Presumably, if he is reading a piano care and maintenance page, he wants information about care and maintenance. Why not give it to him? Why insist that he attend an accredited school to learn more? Why offer websites on where to purchase piano supplies if you will not tell him what to do with the supplies?

 * You complain repeatedly that we keep including a "commercial enterprise," yet you submit links to professional tuning schools (which require fees to get any instruction) and commercial supply houses. Actually, the links you left untouched (at this writing) have commercial dimensions: PTG has a store section, and, can certify you as a technician--for a fee; the Piano Technician Page is operated by professional tuner who provides his contact information should you perhaps desire his services. Where exactly do we draw the line?
 * Piano tuning and maintenance certainly benefits from the experience of professionals like yourself. There is much to learn. But it is presumptuous to insist that ONLY a professional can provide any knowledge on the subject. There are all levels of knowledge, from the very basic (e.g., how to tune a single string) to the complex (e.g., adjusting action). Some--but not all--require decades in the business to learn or to explain.
 * So, once again, it comes down to the information. Is the information on the linked pages accurate? Is it relevant to the topic? Is it of sufficient quantity to make it worth the mouse click? The nature of the web is such that we cannot know for certain that the author of any page has the qualifications they claim, so we are only left with the information. Do they have years of experience, or are they just copying from a library book? Nor can we know the true motivation for providing the information. Does the author only want to make money, or does he truly have information to offer and any revenue is incidental to him? If the information is accurate and in sufficient quantity to make it worth the read, then the motivation is irrelevant.
 * It's all about the information. Not the who, not the why, not the how---the information. That is the rule that will settle this. Carboncopy 05:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Of course a piano tuning school is a better place to learn tuning than any website. That's not the point at all that I am trying to make. The reason any sites at all are linked from a wikipedia article is that they provide information about the subject; not because they provide information about organizations that provide information about the subject. That's what the yellow pages are for. There are hundreds of piano tuning schools; they are not hard to find. To link directly to one particular one would be an advertisement in the article space. The thing I find myself repeating again and again is: if you have concerns about the quality of information at the links you've again removed, voice the particulars here. You can continue saying "the author is unqualified", but this is a meaningless argument. I don't care if monkeys wrote the page; if the information is correct, then it's a good page. If there's something wrong with the information, you've really got to let us know. I think your expertise could be valuable to this article, but all you've shared with us so far is your opinion on the author of one site you don't like. - Rainwarrior 08:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

External Links Discussion, Con't
Thank you both very much for your kind and thoughtful input. This is exactly what I had hoped would come to pass (dialogue). Prior to your electing redress to the links in question, I would appreciate your indulgence in awaiting my response to the points made above. You would indeed have my sincere appreciation.

Until then, many thanks. LONGTIMERPT 11:28PT, 4 June 2006

 * Perhaps it would benefit the wikipedia reader to be made aware that such a thing as professional training for piano technicians exists, under a new subject heading "Piano Maintenance as a Profession" or some such. It might briefly describe the skills needed and training available. It would not link to any schools, since Wikipedia is not a directory of products or services. This might satisfy LONGTIMERPT's concern that the profession be acknowledged. Of course, I still believe some links to websites with free, relevant and accurate information should be included. --Carboncopy 13:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I think "Steve's piano service" is an excellent website, and its link should be restored, It goes into the details of piano maintainance far more deeply than we should ever actually do on the wikipedia page. After consideration, I think the detwiler link doesn't really need to be here, since it's not actually about "maintainance" but more specifically tuning, and it's already present on the piano tuning page. - Rainwarrior 19:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Carboncopy 02:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I will do my best to be fair and unbiasedad in addressing both of your comments above in the order they have been offered:

1st; "The visitor to the Wikipedia is looking for information. FREE and accurate information--that is the Wikipedia way."

I couldn't agree more. If we simply allow anyone sporting a webpage to plant their opinions as a factual basis, this is when it becomes dicey (we already see this all over the Net). Wikipedia is different in that we can (collectively) have a modicum of control over this. There is, nor has there been, to my knowledge, any dispute about this being free. It is a slippery slope because this subject matter is somewhat inclusive of opinion. The key (excuse the pun) is whether those opinions are held by our peers, as a whole. It seems only reasonable that since we can (and should) have some moderation of this topic, that we find some way of electing an oversight committee (if you will) to see that the information presented is reasonably qualified. As it is now, the views of only 1 or 2 persons seem to dictate content. The problem appears to be about the level of accuracy - and to that we all agree and disagree. There is not, nor has there been to my knowledge, any dispute about this being free.

2nd; "Presumably, if he is reading a piano care and maintenance page, he wants information about care and maintenance. Why not give it to him?"

Again, I totally agree. Perhaps, my concerns were not stated well. I am in no way suggesting we not have information on piano care, etc.; far from it. Instead, it is the quality, specificity and correctness of that information - how do we see to this? In the case of one of the links removed (and much to my chagrin, reinstated again), there is an abundant amount of information which is religous in nature on this site. Some is fine and harmless, but then again, some is rather presumptous and to some, quite offensive. (not to mention that such ideas and interpetations are compeletly outside of accepted practice and the subject at hand). As a matter of informative links on the subject, this seems totally inappropriate. This isn't about whether I or anyone else "likes" someone, it's about proper endorsement.

3rd; "Why insist that he attend an accredited school to learn more?"

In all due respect, this appears to be your own view - my inclusion of such links was not to suggest that we only have one and not the other. Why not have both (more on this later)?

4th; "Why offer websites on where to purchase piano supplies if you will not tell him what to do with the supplies?"

Ahh, this is where I think we are not connecting well - also partly because it hasn't been fully discussed yet. There are at least 3 core suppliers on-line who offer competent and experienced free technical support (nor do they appear to require purchases for this assistance). Whether we mutually decide their placement should be among this topic has not yet been fully addressed. But if I may, the benefit of these links as I see it, is not so much about that they are commercial in nature (as is the link reinstated and referenced above), but that there is a vested interest by these companies to assure that not only product selection is appropriate, but just as important, the implementation of those components and tools usef is further assured to this end. There is truly nothing worse in my opinion than having a well meaning, but ill-informed individual dishing out bad information. Again, this appears to be something we should all be concerned about.

5th; "You complain repeatedly that we keep including a "commercial enterprise," yet you submit links to professional tuning schools (which require fees to get any instruction) and commercial supply houses."

The above paragraph should speak to this very topic. I must admit that I'm not entirely sure I understand your meaning here. The Piano Owner's Survival Guide (which was again reinstated is very much commercial supplier (aside from the rather prominent religious excerpts, of course).

6th; "But it is presumptuous to insist that ONLY a professional can provide any knowledge on the subject."

I don't agree. In your field of expertise, how would you feel if a lamen suddenly usurped your knowledge with little or no training in the particular academia? Would you still be asking this question? I do agree that certainly some of this information does not require a 4-year college degree (common sense can be a great teacher). But where and how do we draw this line?

7th; "Is the information on the linked pages accurate? Is it relevant to the topic? Is it of sufficient quantity to make it worth the mouse click?"

Now you are asking the very question that we have all been grappling with. How does the collective "we" come to an understanding without also disinfranchising potentially good input? A committee perhaps? It seems that to allow the status quo will not resolve this all by itself. But at the same time, if we do nothing, we will have gained nothing. And to borrow your own words, you're absolutely right; "it IS about the information". This should be exactly why this discussion is taking place.

8th (I'll be done soon, promise); "The nature of the web is such that we cannot know for certain that the author of any page has the qualifications they claim, so we are only left with the information. Do they have years of experience, or are they just copying from a library book? -snip- If the information is accurate and in sufficient quantity to make it worth the read, then the motivation is irrelevant.

Motivation may in fact be our biggest obstacle. I submit that we can and should if practical, elect "governors" for whom can offer their input, knowledge and feedback given their specific areas of expertise. Mainstream encyclopedias have writers and editors to verify and control the correctness of information. Why then shouldn't we? At a minimum, we should make every effort to see that reasonably fair and unbiased evaluations are made. If not, then the elephant will remain in the living room, as it were. It is a very unsatisfying feeling to see anything just thrown up because someone found it somewhere on the Net. If that's what we're in this for, then Wikipedia may well fall into the great void of just being another bad search engine.

9th; "if you have concerns about the quality of information at the links you've again removed, voice the particulars here."

In all fairness, that same argument could just as easily be applied to an opposite scenario: "if you have concerns about the quality of information at the links you wish to add, voice the particulars here". It might be perceived by your question that what is good for the goose isn't also good for the gander. In other words, if you feel empowered to put a link up because you personally feel it important, why then shouldn't anyone else who disagrees with you have the same right to remove it?

10th (and finally); "You can continue saying "the author is unqualified", but this is a meaningless argument. -snip- If there is something wrong with the information, you've really got to let us know. I think your expertise could be valuable to this article, but all you've shared with us so far is your opinion on the author of one site you don't like.

I appreciate your compliment and opinions. However, I must differ with you about the suggestion that my impetus was due to not liking someone or that my argument is somehow meaningless. As it so happens, this not a personal issue for me.

Let's assume for a moment that your chosen links propose significant risk due to instructional flaws and the person taking the information to heart causes extreme damage to person and/or property. Would you feel no obligation in that such problems may have been averted by prior discussion by those who can speak from experience? Or might ego interrupt this thinking? I don't know from where you assume to know or base your comments on others' specialties, but please know that I do not assume to know yours.

This again should prove to anyone reading all this that the need for oversight is tantamount - and not after potential damage has already occured.

In as much as we use physics and mathematics to gain a perspective on piano tuning, the truth is that it is just as much about human psychology and physiology. I at no time made the suggestion that someone attend a school to make entries here. Instead, I was trying to emphasize that we must do our utmost to see that those offering information not be allowed to do so recklessly or without competing view, when appropriate. If we are going to help educate, then doesn't it make sense to do it responsibly? -I know this was long-winded and apologize, but this seems very important. I hope that others may share in my sentiment and passion. LONGTIMERPT (04:45, 6 June 2006)

 * I wasn't trying to suggest that your removal of the detwiler link was about "not liking" its author. I was saying that you had failed to comment on the page's actual content. I think I can clarify what I mean by answering a different question: you asked what it would be like to have a layman "usurp" my knowledge, or something to this affect; I can't follow the exact wording of the question, but I understand your argument. When a person lacking training tells me that A is true and not B, and I know B to be true, I don't simply tell them "you are wrong. I am a professional, you are not." I tell them they are wrong and then endeavour to explain WHY they are wrong. This is why I say you have been attacking the man and not the information. It was not a comment on your motives, it was a comment on your lack of argument. You have not argued that the detwiler page had incorrect information, you had only argued that its author was less qualified then you, or perhaps you were arguing that Carboncopy, Fang Ali, and I are less qualified then you to edit these pages, I am not sure. You know, if instead of just signing on and declaring your expertise you had actually pointed out anything fundamentally wrong about the information in the detwiler article, the author would have been quite interested and perhaps even motivated to improve his article. (This discussion is pertinent to the Piano Tuning page, but I am leaving it here to avoid breaking it up.) I really meant it when I said your experience could be valuable to this article, but it bothers me that you have limited yourself to removing useful links instead of helping to improve the article.

 * Now the other link, "Steve's Piano Service" is certainly a store. I don't favour the link because it's a store, I favour the link because it has very detailed explanations of how to accomplish a wide range of piano repairs. I would say it is the very best website of its kind on the subject. That is the "particulars" of why I want that link to stay. It's commercial application doesn't interfere with the content, and as for religious matter there is a quotation from the bible and some MIDI files of hymn tunes. He is not proselytizing; what is offensive about it?

 * If you want to add links to other online retailers, make sure their websites have information. It doesn't matter if there is a phone number or e-mail where a dedicated expert can be reached to answer all your questions about piano maintainance; wikipedia is a web reference, not a phone reference, not an e-mail reference. The information it links to must be in the form of a web page. - Rainwarrior 05:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

good links, not spam
There is a significant difference between an instructional link and spam. Please discuss concerns/objections before removing good and helpful information. Thank you. my2cents 09:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm just wondering... don't they have any more -directly- instructional material? I mean, if they've got a "quiz", they probably have a page with the actual informaiton on it, don't they? This site as it is basically abuses a user who is looking for this information. It's designed to reward someone who already knows most of it. What's the point? - Rainwarrior 17:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

"Restoration"
Hi, replacing is not restauration, Thank you, Stefan

 * I agree, Stefan. The section is not a well informed one. I think PTG gives distinct definitions for repairs, rebuilding and restoration, is it possible to quote these or at least closely paraphrase? Mireut 13:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Reworking and expansion
I've expanded the article a bit, grouping it into two sections — one on tech care, one on owner care. I am not a PT myself, so those more qualified should check my work. I wasn't quite sure what to say about the Dampp-Chaser: the guy who rebuilt my instrument gave me one but strongly favored controlling room humidity instead, and my PT calls them "snake oil;" however, I know that some people swear by them. So I just vaguely said "there is some controversy" and left it at that. Maybe somebody who's in the loop can document that controversy a bit better -- and, of course, many of my statements could use citations. !melquiades 19:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

 * ok. i'm a PT, for 30 plus yrs. Dampp-Chaser, heat bars in particular work if the room/piano calls for it. I get lots of their mailings, I'm on the West Coast/so calif, -what humidity?- usually what i deal w/ is cold. So Catholic Church client has heat bar hanging under their grand piano w/ blanket cover..keeps tuning much more stable. Another client lives near the seashore, same idea, heat bar under her grand piano, with blanket lyin OVER the strings. Works great. But i DO agree, Dampp-Chaser people come on like snake oil. Oh lastly, i spent some time tuning, etc in the USVI, club client -across street from the water's edge- had Kawai studio (mid-size) upright. Had two heat bars..upper and below. worked there too. Sooooo? if it needs it, use it or a light blub. NOT! 76.218.248.127 (talk) 02:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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". These include the strings, pinblock, bridges, soundboard and ribs, hammers, and many parts of the action" Parts of the action? this is vague. jasonaltenburg 15:20, 11 September 2007 (EST)

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As far as I can tell, this webcomic consists of exactly four panels. Which falls just a little short of any sort of standard eligibility criteria --Ray Radlein 04:52, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
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Daniel Farson

Daniel James Negley Farson (8 January 1927 – 27 November 1997) was a British writer and broadcaster, strongly identified with the early days of commercial television in the UK, when his sharp, investigative style contrasted with the BBC's more deferential culture.

Farson was a prolific biographer and autobiographer, chronicling the bohemian life of Soho and his own experiences of running a music-hall pub on east London's Isle of Dogs. His memoirs were titled Never a Normal Man.

Early life
Farson was born in Kensington, west London, the son of an American journalist, Negley Farson, and his British wife. His childhood was mostly divided between Britain and North America. He visited Germany with his father while Negley was reporting on the Nazi regime, and was patted on the head by Adolf Hitler, who described him as a "good Aryan boy". Farson briefly attended the British public school Wellington College, whose militaristic regime was not to his taste. He had already become intensely aware of his homosexuality, which sporadically caused him great emotional strain. As a teenager he worked as a parliamentary correspondent and was pursued in the House of Commons by the Labour Member of Parliament Tom Driberg.

1950s
Farson joined Associated-Rediffusion, the first British commercial television company, in the mid-1950s. Here he took risks that few television interviewers (certainly not those employed at the then-conservative BBC) would dare to take. In his series Out of Step (1957) and People in Trouble (1958) – never shown at the same time throughout the ITV network, but much repeated in various regions well into the early 1960s – he dealt with issues of social exclusion and alienation that most of the media at the time preferred to sweep under the carpet. The best remembered editions of these series are the Out of Step programme on nudism (the term "naturism" had yet to become commonplace), which claimed to show the first naked woman on British television, and the People in Trouble programme on mixed marriages (a highly sensitive issue at the time as post-war immigrants tentatively began to integrate into British life). They were repeated in 1982 on Channel 4.

Another 1958 Farson series, entitled Keeping in Step, looked at establishment institutions such as public schools from a distinctly more distanced perspective than that seen on virtually all BBC programmes (and even most other Associated-Rediffusion programmes) of the time. A regular guest on Farson's programmes at this stage was James Wentworth Day, a reactionary British writer of the Agrarian Right school, who commented in the programme about mixed marriages, referring to mixed-race children as "coffee-coloured little imps" and argued that black people must be less "civilised" than white people because "their grandfathers were eating each other" (Wentworth Day's remarks were featured in Victor Lewis-Smith's series Buygones and TV Offal). Farson would usually respond to these diatribes with a polite statement along the lines of "I couldn't disagree with you more, but at least you do say what you really feel".

However, Wentworth Day's appearances came to an end when he said all homosexuals should be hanged. Farson insisted that the episode of People in Trouble in which Wentworth Day had made those remarks – concerning transvestism – was scrapped before it had been completed. He publicly insisted that the Independent Television Authority would ban it; in reality Farson was terrified that Wentworth Day would attempt to bring him to trial. After this, Farson immediately froze Wentworth Day out of his life and his programmes.

Farson's broadcasting career, however, continued to flourish. Farson's Guide to the British (1959–1960) took a critical eye at a nation in transition and was the first public expression of his long-term quest for the true identity of Jack the Ripper. Other series included Farson in Australia (1961) and Dan Farson Meets ... (1962), which usually featured popular singers of the time. The one-off programme Beat City (1963) was an atmospheric evocation of the Liverpool scene which had given birth to The Beatles and the sociological factors which had brought it into being. In 1960, he helmed Living For Kicks, a documentary about the frustrations and uncertainties of British teenagers in the Beat Music era, in which Duffy Power was interviewed.

The Daily Sketch, a tabloid paper then owned by Associated Newspapers (who were the "Associated" in Associated-Rediffusion, although they had sold their stake in the company by this time), led the chorus of revulsion to the documentary. The Daily Mirror responded with a defence of British teenagers; a considerable war of words then developed between the two papers, with the Mirror's well-remembered TV commercials ("The Daily Mirror backs the young!") representing its position on the matter.

1960s
In 1962 Farson made a documentary for Associated-Rediffusion about pub entertainment in the East End of London where he lived, called Time Gentlemen Please (this led directly to the company's later series Stars and Garters, with which Farson was not, however, personally involved). Soon after this he bought a pub, The Waterman's Arms, in the East End with the explicit intent of reviving old-time music hall, but it failed. He later said the money he lost would have been enough to buy a row of houses at the time (1963).

By the end of 1964 he had resigned from Associated-Rediffusion (by then renamed Rediffusion London). He kept a lower public profile for the rest of his life. He moved from London to live in his parents' house in Devon (his father had died in 1960), but continued to make regular visits to the pubs and drinking clubs of Soho.

1970s to 1990s
Farson remained a prolific author and produced several volumes of memoirs. Soho in the Fifties (1987) recalled his participation in the "Bohemia" of Soho. Limehouse Days (1991) recalled his disastrous East End pub venture. These and other books were illustrated with his own photographs.

In 1972, Farson authored Jack the Ripper which proposed the Montague John Druitt as a suspect. He wrote a number of studies of artists and authors. The Man Who Wrote Dracula (1975) is a biography of his grand-uncle, Bram Stoker. While living at his father's old house in North Devon Farson established a close friendship with the writer Henry Williamson, an Agrarian Right ally of James Wentworth Day), and later he paid tribute to Williamson with a book, Henry: An Appreciation of Henry Williamson published in 1982, five years after Williamson's death. Sacred Monsters (1988) is a collection of essays on artists and writers he had known.

Farson also wrote the authorised biography of his friend the painter Francis Bacon, The Gilded Gutter Life of Francis Bacon (1994). At Bacon's insistence it was not published until after the artist's death. The 1998 film Love Is the Devil: Study for a Portrait of Francis Bacon starring Derek Jacobi and Daniel Craig draws heavily on the book, showing Farson (played by Adrian Scarborough) socialising with Bacon, as well as interviewing him on television. The film is dedicated to Farson's memory.

His last book was a "portrait" of the artists Gilbert and George, published posthumously in 1999. He had already, in 1991, published an informal account of a trip he took with them to Moscow.

Farson devised the Channel 4 art quiz Gallery, and he worked as TV critic and, later, art critic for The Mail on Sunday. He also wrote travel books, including A Traveller in Turkey, The Independent Traveller's guide to Turkey and A Dry Ship to the Mountains (Down the Volga and Across the Caucasus in My Father's Footsteps), the book version of the children's TV series The Clifton House Mystery (produced by HTV West for ITV in 1978), and an appreciation of Marie Lloyd and music hall.

Final years
His father had been an alcoholic, and Farson himself had been a heavy drinker since his days in Soho in the 1950s. In later years the effects of alcoholism became more apparent. He knew he was dying of cancer in March 1997, when his self-deprecating autobiography, Never A Normal Man (a phrase actually used to describe his father, not himself), was published. He was hung over when he appeared on the BBC Radio 4 programme Midweek to promote this book.

He died at his house in Georgeham in Devon on 27 November 1997.

Publications
Biography

 * Jack the Ripper (1972)
 * Marie Lloyd & Music Hall (1972)
 * The Man Who Wrote Dracula: A Biography of Bram Stoker (1975)
 * Henry: An Appreciation of Henry Williamson (1982)
 * With Gilbert & George in Moscow (1991)
 * The Gilded Gutter Life of Francis Bacon (1994)
 * Never a Normal Man: An Autobiography (1997)

Memoirs
 * Soho In The Fifties (1987)
 * Limehouse Days (1991)

Cryptozoology and monsters
 * Vampires, Zombies and Monster Men (1976)
 * Mysterious Monsters (1978) [with Angus Hall]
 * The Hamlyn Book of Monsters (1984)

Horror and paranormal

 * The Beaver Book of Horror (1977)
 * The Hamlyn Book of Ghosts in Fact and Fiction (1978)
 * The Hamlyn Book of Horror (1979)
 * Curse (1980)
 * Transplant (1981)

Travel

 * Traveller in Turkey (1985)
 * Swansdowne (1986)
 * Turkey (1988)
 * A Dry Ship to the Mountains (1994)

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Stavros Macrakis
Cambridge, Massachusetts I've worked in software for 50+ years, in a variety of areas: Macsyma, a computer algebra system, and now on its open-source version Maxima; on Lisp language implementation and design; on Ada language design and compilers; on programming language design in general; on operating system kernels; on an architecture-neutral distribution format; on database management systems; on enterprise storage systems; on Web infrastructure software; on Web search; on airline pricing; on enterprise search with rich structured data; etc. My dissertation was on the design of programming languages.

I am now working on the open-source search engine OpenSearch, and my travel guide project is on the back burner.

I have a variety of other interests.

I'm interested in linguistics and languages, especially English, Greek (fluent in modern, rusty in ancient), French (fluent), Italian (good), Latin (rusty), Arabic (basic), and Turkish (including Ottoman) (basic).

I'm interested in encyclopedias both for their form and their content, and have in my personal collection several English, French, and Greek encyclopedias from the 19th and 20th centuries.

I'm interested in architecture and design of various periods, and have a collection of kilims.

I enjoy eating and cooking, and am very interested in food history.

About Wikipedia
Wikipedia has tremendous potential, but it is discouraging to see how much effort we have to spend to deal with mindless vandalism, puerile boosterism and nationalism, and crank POV-pushing. It is also time-consuming to correct well-meaning but ill-informed enthusiasts, and to try to educate people about good research practices, but at least there you feel you're acting in an educational role.

I guess my philosophy on participating in WP is to try to be reasonable with reasonable people, and even more reasonable with unreasonable people.

I'm interested in the history of food, and contribute to WikiProject Food and drink. There is a lot of folklore and invention around the history of food, so it's especially important to have reliable sources, not just cookbooks and certainly not random Web pages, which is why I started the page on sources for food history. It's also important to maintain a neutral point of view in food history articles, and not uncritically adopt such terms as "original", "authentic", "traditional", etc. to describe foods and recipes; see my essay "Original", "traditional", "authentic", and other distracting terminology for some further thoughts.

Articles I've given up on
These are some articles where the amount and virulence of edit-warring and tendentious editing is just too much, so I've given up on editing them:

 * Baklava
 * Vlachs

Articles
These are articles I've created, articles I've contributed a lot to, or simply articles where I think I've made a difference.

Language
English words of Greek origin · Idiot · Tiffany (name) Grecs du roi · Greek Font Society · Ottoman Turkish alphabet Thesaurus · Triantafyllidis dictionary Heteronym (linguistics) · Homophonic translation · Irreversible binomial · Libfix · Palindrome · Pseudo-anglicism · Synonym

Proverbs and phrases
A language is a dialect with an army and navy · Five Ws · Straw that broke the camel's back · What does not kill me makes me stronger

Cambridge and Boston
List of companies founded by Harvard University alumni (actually its predecessor article List of companies founded by Harvard and Radcliffe College alumni) Design Research (store) · Norumbega Tower · Technology Square (Cambridge, Massachusetts) Stony Brook (Charles River tributary, Weston) · Stony Brook (Charles River tributary, Boston) · Stony Brook (Merrimack River tributary) Five Fields
 * List of companies founded by Massachusetts Institute of Technology alumni

Dishes
Baked apple · Baklava · Beef bourguignon · Beef Stroganoff · Cappon magro · Christmas ham · Crème caramel · Custard · Dolma · Fettuccine Alfredo · Fondue · French fries · Fried clams · Greek pizza · Hummus · Key lime pie · Ladera · Meat chop · Mont Blanc (dessert) · Moussaka · Panna cotta · Pastitsio · Russian dressing · Steak Diane · Tête de veau · Welsh rabbit · Whipped cream

Foods and ingredients
Bottarga · Brined cheese · Caramel color · Cured pork tenderloin · Filo · Herbes de Provence · King of Cheeses · Red meat · Scrod · Strained yogurt

People
Curnonsky · Robert Courtine · Lancelot de Casteau · Prosper Montagné · Cristoforo di Messisbugo · Jane Ellison (Borden) · Menon (cookbook author) · E. N. Anderson · Beniamino Schiavon, "Mr. Nino" of the Drake · Ibn Sayyar al-Warraq · Muhammad bin Hasan al-Baghdadi · Marcel Rouff

Cuisines
Mediterranean cuisine · Mediterranean diet · Greek cuisine · Cuisine bourgeoise

Restaurants
The Colony (restaurant) · Quaglino's · Waldorf System · Joel's Bohemia

Other
Bonne Maman · Culinary name · Milkshake machine · USENET Cookbook · Colonial goods store · Salad bowl · Chimney starter · Instant sauce · Fifth (unit) · L'Art culinaire · Le Pot-au-feu · La bonne cuisine de Madame E. Saint-Ange · Celebrity wall · Gueridon service · Repast (magazine) · Sources for food history · Original, authentic, and traditional (essay)

Mathematics and logic
Floor and ceiling functions · Polynomial decomposition Consensus theorem · Blake canonical form · Inclusion (Boolean algebra)

Software and computing
Wide-spectrum language · ECL programming language · Execute instruction · Repeat instruction · Short-circuit evaluation · Lisp reader · LISP 2 Datacomputer · Massachusetts Computer Associates · Object Design, Incorporated · Javelin Software · Infinite Disk Marvin Minsky · Jean Ichbiah · Anthony Oettinger USENET Cookbook · DEC Radix-50

France
Michel-Philippe Bouvart · René Le Pays · Michel Le Quien · Adrien Marx (Jean de Paris) · Hameau de Chantilly · Hameau de Chantilly (Paris) · Le Boulevard (Paris) · Maison pompéienne · La Grande Encyclopédie

United States
Springfield Industrial Institute · School for Christian Workers · Bible Normal College · The White House (department store) · Carlo de Fornaro · William Cleaver Wilkinson · Indian Wedding Blessing

Byzantine, Ottoman, Greek worlds
Kalderimi · Decare Megalo Embolo · Giannitsa · Gazi, Crete · Agios Myronas · Myron of Crete · Yazılıkaya, Eskişehir · Salonica Vilayet · Lakki, Leros · Alexandria Hyphasis · Jonas Otter · Cyrrhus Joannes Gennadius · Carasso family · Isaac Carasso · Emmanuel Carasso · Yanaki and Milton Manaki · Cretan Turks · Simeon Seth · Dalle Carceri · Myro of Rhodes · Vallahades · Central Turkey College

Italy
Bauer Hotel (Venice) · Big Fence · Ca' Giustinian · Casa del Fascio · Chronicon Altinate · Era Fascista · Scuole Piccole of Venice · Touring Club Italiano

Other
Salting the earth · Golindouch · John Bulteel (writer) · N. J. Higham · J. O. Prestwich · Historicity of King Arthur · Our Lady of Solitude

Scholars
Kathleen Schlesinger · Henry Marion Howe · William L. MacDonald · Walle Nauta

Other
Dry measure · American Legend Cooperative (Blackglama) · Indefinite and fictitious numbers · Industry classification · Barnacle goose · Lifestyle store · Ethics of philanthropy · Private citizen · Pharmacological dissection · Atlantic International University · Shipping tube · Course (education) · Fukagawa Edo Museum · Museum shop · City ticket office · Poor Knights (disambiguation) · Gearbox Records · Butcher Brown

Geography
Big Bend (Missouri River) · Boston Corner, New York · Dangerous Ground (South China Sea) · Karakuş Tumulus

Common misconceptions
Tryptophan in turkey doesn't cause drowsiness · Spices and bad meat · Steak tartare not Mongol · Vatel not inventor of whipped cream · Catherine de' Medici not responsible for French cuisine · Coffee doesn't dehydrate · Not all religions have gods · The Hopis and time · The plowing of Carthage

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(can be quoted freely with attribution!) Life is like playing Solitaire. The rule of the game(s): Never make a move that can be made later but can not be undone if made now. I'm humble. Otherwise, I could be humiliated. Peace of mind is the inverse of the area of the triangle formed by what you want yourself to be, what you think you are, and what you really are. The closer these are, the greater peace you get. Disillusionment is irreversible. Caveat: Unless one could be re-illusioned. :-) Real friends tell you not the things you want to hear, but the things that need to be told to you  (potentially bitter truths). Intuition is malleable. Acquisition of knowledge is the act of retrofitting biased inferences derived from  incomplete information into indoctrinated minds. Candour disarms critics and girl/boy friends. Marriage is man's respect for possessiveness and adultery is God's contempt for the same. The most difficult thing in life is having to endure hypocrisy - both within and else where - when  you become aware of it. I dream, therefore I am. I generalise too early and too often. -- Sundar

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The Very Hungry Caterpillar

The Very Hungry Caterpillar is a 1969 children's picture book designed, illustrated, and written by American children's author and illustrator Eric Carle. The plot follows a very hungry caterpillar that consumes a variety of foods before pupating and becoming a butterfly. It incorporates elements that contribute to early childhood education, including counting, days of the week, and food. It also incorporates a butterfly’s life cycle.

Since its publication, the book sold more than 50 million copies, been translated into more than 60 languages, won numerous awards, and been adapted for television. It has been acclaimed as "one of the greatest childhood classics of all time" and praised for its "iconic" art style, featuring collage artwork and pages with holes where the caterpillar "ate" through.

Synopsis
On an early Sunday morning, "a tiny and very hungry caterpillar" hatches from his egg and immediately begins searching for food. For the following five days, the caterpillar eats through an increasing quantity of fruit: one apple on Monday, two pears on Tuesday, three plums on Wednesday, four strawberries on Thursday, and five oranges on Friday. However, the caterpillar remains hungry. On Saturday, he feasts on a piece of chocolate cake, an ice-cream cone, a pickle, a slice of Swiss cheese, a slice of salami, a lollipop, a piece of cherry pie, a sausage, a cupcake and a slice of watermelon. Later that night, the caterpillar gets a stomach ache from overeating.

The following Sunday, the caterpillar eats a green leaf, relieving his stomach ache. Now a "big, fat caterpillar", he builds a cocoon around himself and stays inside of it for more than two weeks. Afterwards, he nibbles a hole and pushes his way out, emerging as a large, multi-colored butterfly.

Development
The Very Hungry Caterpillar is the third book Carle illustrated and only the second he wrote himself.

The plot originated as a story called A Week with Willi the Worm, which featured a bookworm named Willi. Carle was inspired to write the story after using a hole punch that reminded him of a worm. Ann Beneduce, Carle's editor, advised him that a worm would not make a likable protagonist, instead recommending a caterpillar.

Carle was allegedly inspired to include holes in the pages where the caterpillar had "eaten" through the various foods, by differently shaped books he had read as a child in Germany.

Publication
The book was initially published by the World Publishing Company (US) in 1969. It was originally printed in Japan due to high US publishing costs resulting from the holes in some of the pages. Currently, the book is published by Penguin Random House, who acquired the title from Carle in 2019.

Since its release, The Very Hungry Caterpillar has sold over 50 million copies, approximately one copy every thirty seconds.

Moreover, the book has been translated into more than 60 languages, including Arabic, Dutch, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Italian, Portuguese, Swedish, Russian, and Hebrew.

Awards
The book has won numerous awards including the American Institute of Graphic Arts Award in 1970, the Best Children's Books of England in 1970, the Selection du Grand Prix des Treize in France in 1972, and the Nakamori Reader's Prize in Japan in 1975. Additionally, The New York Times also cited it as one of the "Ten Best Picture Books of the Year" in 1969.

Furthermore, the book placed at number 199 in the Big Read, a 2003 poll conducted by the BBC to determine the United Kingdom's best loved books. It was one of the few picture books to place on the list. Based on a 2007 online poll, the National Education Association listed the book as one of its "Teachers' Top 100 Books for Children". Five years later, a School Library Journal survey of readers named The Very Hungry Caterpillar as the second-best children's book.

In 2020, The Very Hungry Caterpillar was number ten on the list of "Top Check Outs of All Time" by the New York Public Library. It also won the best children's classic accolade at the Sainsbury Children’s Book Awards in 2019. Carle said that this award was a "perfect way" to celebrate the book's 50th anniversary.

Endorsements
The Very Hungry Caterpillar introduces Lepidoptera life stage concepts depicting metamorphosis from a ‘hungry caterpillar’ to a ‘beautiful butterfly'; the Royal Entomological Society endorsed the book due to the scientific accuracy of this transformation.

Educational usage and influence
This book incorporates educational themes such as counting, the days of the week, foods, and a butterfly's life stages. However, it doesn't come across as didactic; instead, it subtly presents information often without children even realizing it. It is frequently utilized by elementary school teachers, librarians, and parents as a teaching aid, with activities developed that complements the book. Additionally, the illustration facilitates understanding without reading.

Predictability
The book contains "familiar sequences" or patterns when referencing days of the week and numbers. These patterns aid young readers in reading naturally and can reflect their own knowledge of the world. They encourage word recognition strategies during reading, rather than prior to it.

The book's predictability facilitates Oral Cloze exercises, in which an adult reader can omit a day of the week or number and the child can insert it. These exercises help children gain confidence in predicting language and enforcing pre-existing knowledge.

Common Core
The new elementary Common Core standards emphasize incorporating more informational texts into primary education. Books like The Very Hungry Caterpillar bridges the gap between informational texts and elementary engagement. This captivating book does not only entertain young learners, but also teaching lessons on counting, days of the week, and metamorphosis.

Storytelling/classroom activities
The format of The Very Hungry Caterpillar allows for expansion into a classroom activities, where children can engage in creative practice and storytelling by inserting their own foods and drawings into each day of the week. Using the book's format, children can incorporate their own interests; thus, telling their own stories. When they share their renditions with peers, students further engage with storytelling.

Secondary school usage
The Very Hungry Caterpillar has met Beowulf in secondary classrooms in an effort to prompt academic and sophisticated discussion of picture books. Main reasons for integration include the universal themes of picture books and providing visual aids for comprehension. The Very Hungry Caterpillar has themes that extend past young children and its integration with Beowulf can help engage secondary-aged students.

Healthy eating
This book has been used in the fight against childhood obesity. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, philanthropic groups, and anti-obesity campaigns utilize this book to teach children about healthy eating. In 2011, the American Academy of Pediatrics sent out special copies of the book, with associated learning tools, to health providers, for a campaign to healthy eating in the U.S. Carle supports the usage of his book to promote healthy eating.

Cultural influence
This book was used by former first lady Barbara Bush as part of her campaign to promote literacy. In 1999, the pizza restaurant Pizza Hut asked 50 U.S. governors to name their favorite books from childhood. The then-governor of Texas, George W. Bush, named The Very Hungry Caterpillar, despite having been 23 years old at the time of its publication.

In 2009, Google celebrated the book's 40th anniversary by rendering the logo on its main search page in the style used in the book.

VHS
The Very Hungry Caterpillar was adapted for UK television on September 1, 1993. Then, on October 17, 1994, it was released as a VHS video distributed by PolyGram Video. It was re-released on June 16, 1997, distributed by Channel 5 Video, a sub-label of PolyGram. On March 18, 2002, it was re-released again by Universal Pictures as part of an anthology called The World of Eric Carle that included The Very Hungry Caterpillar along with four other Eric Carle stories.

This anthology utilized a classical music-influenced soundtrack by Wallace and Gromit and Peppa Pig composer Julian Nott. Narration on the UK releases were performed by Roger McGough and Juliet Stevenson; this version was briefly released in the US by Scholastic. Then, on August 5, 1995, Disney released a US dub version with narration by Brian Cummings and Linda Gary. After Disney's adaptation, the film and TV rights were sold for £1 million.

DVD
The Very Hungry Caterpillar was released on DVD on April 24, 2006, as a part of an anthology called The World of Eric Carle; it was presented by the Illuminated Film Company and broadcast by Ventura Distribution.

The anthology, including The Very Hungry Caterpillar and four other stories, was also released on DVD in the US by Disney and in the AU by ABC DVD. The DVD was also adapted into a 10-track CD, titled The Very Hungry Caterpillar and Other Stories.

Ancillary products
There have been multiple unique book editions, with personalized features. Games, pop-up books, a book/card game combination via University Games, and an educational video game – The Very Hungry Caterpillar's ABCs – released by CYBIRD Co. Ltd. for WiiWare in 2010.

Inaccuracies
In the story, the caterpillar builds a cocoon, and a butterfly emerges. In reality, a caterpillar that makes a cocoon emerges as a moth, while a butterfly will emerge from a chrysalis; various media sources have highlighted this inaccuracy.

Eric Carle responded to this by stating: "'And here's my unscientific explanation: My caterpillar is very unusual. As you know caterpillars don't eat lollipops and ice cream, so you won't find my caterpillar in any field guides. But also, when I was a small boy, my father would say, 'Eric, come out of your cocoon.' He meant I should open up and be receptive to the world around me. For me, it would not sound right to say, 'Come out of your chrysalis.' And so poetry won over science!'"

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Agrément

Agrément, in international affairs, is the agreement by a state to receive members of a diplomatic mission from a foreign country.

In this procedure, the posting state formally requests consent, via a demande d'agréation, from the receiving state before appointing a diplomat to the receiving state. If the nominated diplomat is acceptable to the receiving state, the receiving state gives agrément.

The arriving diplomat carries a letter of accreditation, normally called the letter of credence or lettre de créance, from the posting state to the head of state of the receiving state, when arriving in the receiving state. This is presented to the head of state of the receiving state, and the diplomat is thereby accepted as a member of the diplomatic corps of the receiving state and added to a diplomatic list. The designated person enjoys diplomatic immunity in the receiving state.

As codified by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, the state receiving the designated diplomat may refuse agrément without giving a reason. The absence of a timely agrément is often considered a refusal to agree to the proposed designation.

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Health department

A health department or health ministry is a part of government which focuses on issues related to the general health of the citizenry. Subnational entities, such as states, counties and cities, often also operate a health department of their own. Health departments perform food inspections and other health related inspections (the person who performs this job is often called a public health inspector), vaccination programs, free STD and HIV tests, tobacco enforcement and cessation programs, and other medical assistance programs. Health departments also compile statistics about health issues within their area. The role of a health department may vary from one country to the other, but their primary objective is always the same; safeguarding and promoting health. In 1986, several of the world's national health departments met to establish an international guideline by which health departments operate. The meeting was in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, and hence the guidelines established are known as the Ottawa Charter. The Ottawa Charter was designed to 'achieve Health for All'.

"Health department" can also refer to a university health department.

Around the world
Most executive governments in the world are divided into departments or ministries. In Canada, Health Canada is the federal agency in charge of healthcare. The first ministry of health in Canada was established by legislation in the province of New Brunswick in 1918, making it the first cabinet-level Department of Health in the British Empire, with Dr. William F. Roberts of Saint John, N.B. as the first Minister of Health in the British Empire.

In the People's Republic of China, the China Health Ministry initially oversaw healthcare before it was dissolved. The majority of its functions have now been integrated into a new agency called the National Health Commission. In Nigeria, the Federal Ministry of Health supervises the country's health departments and agencies under it, most of which are located in Abuja, the country's capital.

Programs and services
In the United States, the Department of Health and Human Services is responsible for coordinating health programs in the country. With more than 100 programs and services, the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) aims to "protect the health of all Americans and provide essential human services, especially for those who are least able to help themselves." These federal programs consist of social service programs, civil rights and healthcare privacy programs, disaster preparedness programs, and health related research. HHS offers a variety of social service programs geared toward persons with low income, disabilities, military families, and senior citizens. Healthcare rights are defined under HHS in the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) which protect patient's privacy in regards to medical information. HHS collaborates with the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response and Office of Emergency Management to prepare and respond to health emergencies. A broad array of health related research is supported or completed under the HHS; secondarily under HHS, the Health Resources & Service Administration houses data warehouses and makes health data available surrounding a multitude of topics. HHS also has vast offering of health related resources and tools. Some examples of available resources include disease prevention, wellness, health insurance information, as well as links to healthcare providers and facilities, meaningful health related materials, and public health and safety information.

Health departments in the United States
There are several tiers of health departments in America: federal, state, tribal, insular areas, freely associated states, and local levels. In relation with state and local government, the federal government provides states with funding to ensure that states are able to retain current programs and are able to implement new programs. The coordination between all three levels is critical to ensure the programs being implemented are well structured for each level. The health department at state level needs to safeguard good relations with legislators as well as governors in order to acquire legal and financial aid to guarantee the development and enhancements of the programs. Assemblies are set up to guide the relationships between state and local health departments. The state sets up the regulations and health policies whereas the local health departments are the ones implementing the health policies and services.

Federal

 * Department of Health and Human Services (HHS, renamed in 1980 from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW))

State

 * Alabama Department of Public Health (ADPH)
 * Alaska Department of Health and Social Services (ADHSS)
 * Arizona Department of Health Services (ADHS)
 * Arkansas Department of Health (ADH)
 * California Department of Public Health (CDPH)
 * Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE)
 * Connecticut State Department of Public Health (CSDPH)
 * Delaware Division of Public Health (DDPH)
 * District of Columbia Department of Health (DCDH)
 * Florida Department of Health (FDH)
 * Georgia Department of Public Health (GDPH)
 * Hawaii State Department of Health (HSDH)
 * Idaho Department of Health and Welfare (IDHW)
 * Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH)
 * Indiana State Department of Health (ISDH)
 * Iowa Department of Public Health (IDPH)
 * Kansas Department of Health and Environment (KDHE)
 * Kentucky Department for Public Health (KDPH)
 * Louisiana Department of Health (LDH)
 * Maine Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS)
 * Maryland Department of Health (MDH)
 * Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MDPH)
 * Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS)
 * Minnesota Department of Health (MDH)
 * Mississippi State Department of Health (MSDH)
 * Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services (MDHSS)
 * Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (MDPHHS)
 * Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services (NDHHS)
 * Nevada Division of Public and Behavioral Health (NDPBH)
 * New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services (NHDHHS)
 * New Jersey Department of Health (NJDH)
 * New Mexico Department of Health (NMDH)
 * New York State Department of Health (NYSDH)
 * North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services (NCDHHS)
 * North Dakota Department of Health (NDDH)
 * Ohio Department of Health (ODH)
 * Oklahoma State Department of Health (OSDH)
 * Oregon Health Authority, Public Health Division (OHA)
 * Pennsylvania Department of Health (PDH)
 * Rhode Island Department of Health (RIDH)
 * South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control (SCDHEC)
 * South Dakota Department of Health (SDDH)
 * Tennessee Department of Health (TDH)
 * Texas Department of State Health Services (TDSHS)
 * Utah Department of Health (UDH)
 * Vermont Department of Health (VDH)
 * Virginia Department of Health (VDH)
 * Washington State Department of Health (WSDH)
 * West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, Bureau for Public Health (WVDHHR)
 * Wisconsin Department of Health Services (WDHS)
 * Wyoming Department of Health (WDH)

Tribal

 * Indian Health Service (IHS)
 * Navajo Nation Department of Health (NNDH)

Insular areas

 * American Samoa Government Department of Human and Social Services
 * Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Commonwealth Health Corporation
 * Guam Department of Public Health and Social Services, Division of Public Health
 * Puerto Rico Department of Health (Departamento de Salud, Gobierno de Puerto Rico)
 * US Virgin Islands Department of Health

Freely associated states

 * Republic of the Marshall Islands Ministry of Health and Human Services
 * Federated States of Micronesia Department of Health and Social Affairs
 * Republic of Palau Ministry of Health

Local

 * Chicago Department of Public Health (CDPH)
 * Long Beach (California) Department of Health and Human Services
 * New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (NYCDHMH)
 * Pasadena (California) Public Health Department
 * San Francisco Department of Health

Grants and contracts
The United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) acts as the most extensive grant funding agency in the country. While several grants are delivered to non-government agencies, the majority of HHS federal grants are administered to states, territories, and tribes. Beneficiaries of federal funds are prohibited from lobbying government officials for legislative influence or additional funding. HHS and the National Institutes of Health, are accountable to Congress for conducting research that is amenable to both federal and state regulatory policies and a cost-effective budget. HHS uses grants to finance and encourage government research interests. Additionally, HHS routinely sets fixed price and cost reimbursement contracts with private companies in order to obtain products and services for government operations. HHS aims to issue these contracts with adherence to federal contract laws, HHS acquisition policies, and local operating procedures.

History
There is some dispute at the local level as to the claim of being the first to establish a local board or health department. For example, The city of Petersburg, Virginia claims it established the first permanent board of health in 1780; The city of Baltimore, Maryland claims it is established the first US health department in 1793, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania followed 1794, claiming its Board of Health as "one of the first"; and Boston, Massachusetts claims in 1799 it established the first board of health and the first health department, with Paul Revere named as the first health officer.

At the state level, Louisiana was the first state to create a state board of health in 1855, but it functioned primarily to influence regulations in New Orleans. Massachusetts was the first to establish a state board that functioned throughout its state with statewide authority in 1869.

At the national level, a simple National Board of Health functioned from 1879 to 1883, but it was not until 1939 that another federal agency that operated to manage public health on a national level was established, going from a federal agency called the Federal Security Agency that had health functions such as the United States Public Health Service (PHS), and the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA). In 1953, that agency was reorganized and its health functions were elevated to a cabinet-level position to establish the United States Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW), which was renamed in 1980 to become the current and modern United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Current laws and regulations at each level of government
HHS notes the laws and regulations that it carries out on its website. Every state also has a health department to which HHS has given a description and hyperlink for each state health department.

Other levels of government within each state are varied. For example, the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) has within it a health department in each of its 58 counties. However, other localized versions exist. In the consolidated city and county of San Francisco, the San Francisco Department of Health serves both the municipal corporation (city) and the administrative division (county) of the state. Three cities within California operate their own health departments, while simultaneously being under the jurisdiction of their county's health department. In Alameda County, the City of Berkeley operates its own Public Health Division. Similarly, in Los Angeles County, the Long Beach Department of Health and Human Services and the Pasadena Public Health Department serve the cities of Long Beach and Pasadena, respectively.

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Velikaya

The Velikaya (Вели́кая) is a river in Novosokolnichesky, Pustoshkinsky, Sebezhsky, Opochetsky, Pushkinogorsky, Ostrovsky, Palkinsky, and Pskovsky Districts of Pskov Oblast, as well as in the city of Pskov in Russia. It is the largest tributary of Lake Peipus and belongs to the drainage basin of the Narva. It is 430 km long, and the area of its basin 25200 km2. The name of the river literally means "Grand" or "Great" in Russian. The towns of Opochka, Ostrov and Pskov are located on the banks of the Velikaya. The principal tributaries of the Velikaya are the Alolya (right), the Issa (left), the Sorot (right), the Sinyaya (left), the Utroya (left), the Kukhva (left), the Cheryokha (right), and the Pskova (right).

The source of the Velikaya is located in the Bezhanitsy Hills in the northwest of Novosokolnichesky District. The river flows south through a system of lakes to Lake Veryato, where it turns west. It accepts the Alolya from the right and gradually turns north, passing through the town of Opochka. Northwest of the urban-type settlement of Pushkinskiye Gory it turns west, accepts the Sinyaya from the left and turns north. In the city of Pskov the Velikaya accepts the Pskova from the right and turns northwest, forming a river delta as it enters Lake Peipus.

The drainage basin of the Velikaya comprises vast areas in the west and southwest of Pskov Oblast, as well as in the east of Latvia and in the north of the Vitebsk Region of Belarus.

The river has a significant historic importance. Pskov was founded in 903, and the Velikaya provided it with access to the sea, via Lake Peipus and the Narva River.

The Velikaya is navigable in its lower course of length 34 km.

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Catherine Rodland

Catherine R. Rodland is an organist and church musician best known for her recitals throughout the United States, Canada, and Europe. She also holds a teaching position at St. Olaf College.

Rodland graduated from St. Olaf College in 1987, and received M.M. and D.M.A. degrees from the Eastman School of Music, where she was a student of Russell Saunders. She was a prizewinner in the 1994 and 1998 AGO Young Artists Competitions and the 1994 Calgary International Organ Competition. She was also awarded first prize in the 1989 International Organ Competition at the University of Michigan.

Currently, she is Artist in Residence at St. Olaf College. At St. Olaf, Rodland teaches a full studio of organ students as well as music theory and ear training classes.

Recordings

 * Messiaen, Transport du joie from "Ascension", Catherine Rodland, organist
 * Messiaen, "Dieu parmi mous" from Nativite, Catherine Rodland, organist

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