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Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Jewish ethnocentrism/previous

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The table is unacceptable
Firstly users with few edits who vote "keep" are singled out for a special catagory, whilst those w few edits who vote delete are not. Secondly, as Carrp points out, the discussion is complex, and a table of this sort encourages ignorant votes to be placed within the table without a thourough reading of the page. Thirdly, where is the precedent for such a voting chart? 10:14, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * On this VfD, the users with fewer than 5 edits have about a 99% chance of being sockpuppets. It's obvious that someone is trying to influence the vote by creating users with the sole purpose of voting to "Keep". No users in the "first edit" category have ever made an edit outside of this VfD. These aren't users who have gone on to join the WP community. These are sockpuppets, plain and simple. If you find users with fewer than five edits (at the time of voting) who voted "Delete", I'd have no problem with creating a separate category. However, at this time I don't believe any votes fall into that category.

 * I don't believe a table increases (or decreases) the number of ignorant votes on the page. Ignorant voters will make ignorant votes whether there's a table or not. In addition, the table wasn't created until a large number of votes had already been cast. The keep/delete percentages haven't changed much since then.

 * As for precedent, I've seen several lengthy VfDs that have included lists of Keep and Delete votes in addition to the discussion. I don't believe the rules forbid such a table. To me, it's a good way of keeping track of the votes and doesn't seem to harm anyone. I'm not going to revert your removal, but I fully support putting the table back. Carrp 10:31, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * (I tried to save this, and found that Carrp had beaten me to it. There's thus some overlap)
 * First, I've already raised this with user:Jayjg (instead of simply deleting what I didn't like), and he/she (it's probably on his/her User page, but it doesn't matter for now) confirmed what I'd then started discovering — that there aren't any delete-voters who are first-time or very new editors. If you could point to someone whom we missed, then what would be wrong with adding a section to the table for them?

 * Secondly, many – the evidence is that it's most – people don't read through the long (though not in fact complex so much as baroquely repetitive) discussion before voting anyway.

 * Thirdly, why does it need a precedent? It's useful, especially to the person who has to count the votes.

 * Fourthly, it's been over five days now, so presumably voting and discussion is over, and a decision has to be made. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:39, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

See and. I'm sure their are more, but these two are the most obvious sockpuppets amongst the keep votes. Singling out one side is a sign of clear bias, and is intellectually dishonest, and suggestive of fraud. 10:42, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the "Keep: users' first edit" category. None of these users have ever made an edit outside of this VfD. The majority have a total of one edit. The two users you linked to may be questionable, but not nearly as blatant as the "keep" sockpuppets. Carrp 10:50, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * (Carrp beat me to it again)

 * The second User had made seventeen edits, going back three or four days, before voting on this issue. I couldn't be bothered to count the twenty to thirty prior edits made by the first user, going back to August of last year.  Someone throwing round hostile and insulting epithets while relying on that sort of evidence doesn't make an edifying sight. (OK, I suppose that it could be argued that the sort of person arguing for Delete is more intelligent or foresighted than the sort of person arguing for Keep, hence the blatancy of the latters' attempts to cheat — but that's neither a pleasant nor a fair position to take, and you surely wouldn't want to adopt it.)  Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:54, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * My name has come up so I figured I'd defend myself. I've made several minor edits (typos and such) over the last year or two, but I never had an account. Not sure how I would go about proving that though. Anyway, for various reasons I've become more interested in the project over the last couple weeks and have been reading up on policies and figuring out how things work around here. I've been on the irc channel as ningu, perhaps someone has seen me there. I have an interest in Judaism and added a number of such pages to my watchlist, among others, and I've made some edits to a few pages. When this VfD came up, someone who had noticed I was new and possibly interested in the topic let me know about it. Hence my vote. We have enough in the Delete column already that I don't really object if someone sees the need to remove mine, but it's still legitimate. And if you read my comment, you'll see that the point of view is not quite the same as most/all of the others. Anyway, my two cents, back into the woodwork. --Unamuno talk 12:13, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have no idea what you think your talking about. I've made myself clear, and if your confused, your can re-read what I said. 11:15, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Sam, if you have a problem with the table, you can raise it as an issue, but please don't simply delete it. It has been agreed with the admin who's overseeing the vote; in fact, he may have created it. As for the delete sockpuppets, they're very obvious. If you feel there are sockpuppets on the other side, outline your reasons for believing that, and the admin will take it into account. SlimVirgin 11:38, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting my revert, Mel. It's clearly one of those pages. . . ;-) SlimVirgin 11:51, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Deletion policy
The page will also remain if it has been improved enough since the initial listing that the reason for the listing no longer applies. This requires a reason to be given initially when requesting that a page be deleted.

 * This article has a troubled history. It started as "Semitism," then was changed to "Jewish ethnocentrism," though the term is used largely by neo-Nazis to refer to the work of Kevin B. MacDonald, a controversial psychologist. Because the term is barely used, no criticism of it exists, which means we either have to leave the article unbalanced or add original research in order to provide criticism. There are already two articles on MacDonald: his bio and Culture of Critique about his research. The Jewish ethnocentrism material that isn't original research could be merged into one of those. There is also Ethnocentrism and Particularism; some of the material might fit in there. (original reasoning for placement on VfD, made 31 Jan)

See Jewish_ethnocentrism, where references regarding the copious usage of the term outside the sphere of Kevin B. MacDonald were provided 31 Jan. I would also point out that arguments like

 * "Because the term is barely used, no criticism of it exists, which means we either have to leave the article unbalanced or add original research in order to provide criticism"

are of absolutely no value here.

13:47, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Protestations that the article has been improved enough to keep from the "keep" side are hardly credible. The content is no better than before, and suffers from all the same flaws that were used to vote to delete it.  Moreoever, no significant content has been included from the "References". Jayjg (talk)  14:43, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"the reason for the listing no longer applies". 14:58, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Yep, it still does. Article has the same flaws it always did. Also, note this important and more relevant information from Deletion guidelines for administrators Administrators necessarily must use their best judgement, attempting to be as impartial as is possible for a fallible human, to determine when rough consensus has been reached. For example, administrators can disregard votes and comments if they feel that there is strong evidence that they were not made in good faith. Such "bad faith" votes include those being made by sock puppets, being made anonymously, or being made using a new userid whose only edits are to the article in question and the voting on that article. Jayjg (talk)  15:03, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Sam if anyone had been able to find decent references and was prepared to use those to improve or rewrite the article, it would have happened by now. You could have done it yourself in the time this vote has been going on. But it hasn't happened and won't happen because this is not a legitimate subject. Note also the interest from Stormfront. I'd have thought you might want to dissociate yourself from them. SlimVirgin 21:01, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that Sam Spade isn't behaving reasonably over this, but it's not fair to suggest that he should change his position just because it's shared by unpleasant people. I've little doubt that some of those who have voted delete have done so because they have views that are just as blinkered and bigoted as the Stormfronters (I've looked at some of their contribution-histories), but that doesn't make their conclusions wrong in this case, nor does it make me want to change my vote.  It's possible to reach a true conclusion from false premises, by using invalid reasoning, after all. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:15, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet it is. But you're taking a consequentialist position if you're arguing that the "truth" of the conclusion is all that matters; and if you're taking a consequentialist position, then you'll agree that Sam ought to take into account the consequences of the promotion of his beliefs - namely, given that his position is shared by neo-Nazis, that he risks promoting, or appearing to promote, the views of neo-Nazis by supporting the beliefs espoused by them. That consequence ought to carry some weight with him, yet it appears not to. On a side note, I doubt there's anyone in the delete column who holds views as bigoted as Stormfront's. SlimVirgin 23:07, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Though I should add that Sam may not yet know about Stormfront's interest in this vote. SlimVirgin 23:10, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Frankly, the only editor who made a compelling argument to keep the article was Zero0000, and El C and Charles/Mirv made reasonable arguments to clean up and re-direct. The rest of the keep arguments? Well, the less said the better. Jayjg (talk) 00:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks a lot, Andy L., I'm gone for less than two days and there goes my VfD drama! 'More than ten edits,' these fascists are insidious, but (also to their discredit) they are not especially bright as they just went ahead and, for now, sealed the fate of this article. As for myself, and my references (which, incidentally, SS seems fond of employing –this not being the first time– for purposes which are very much against the reasons I research for these, not to mention what these studies actually discuss), will not appear to support the encylopedicity of the term in the forthcoming VfU. No, I will take a more prgmatic, tactical position on this. One day, I may write a draft for JE and will submitt it to a VfU (or will support any such draft written by another editor which has merit), until then, my opposition to deletion ends with Stormfront's aforementioned political agitation. Actually, it isn't that crucial whether they are slightly more clever nextimearound in attempting to mask their identities and aims, because it would be evident enough in the sort of editors they prove to be (even if, somehow, they learn to mimic more reasonable editors.). As Jayjg said, the less said the better on the explanations provided by many of those voting keep, or to cite myself, prior to this SF discovery: these new users are highly suspect. I am calling to question their motives, outright. El_C 04:20, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, El C, and well said! SlimVirgin 04:59, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

See also:
Guilt by association, tar with the same brush, Intellectual dishonesty, Reductio ad Hitlerum, etc.... 10:12, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * As I said above, I agree that no-one should retreat from her view of what's right and wrong just because it's shared by people who have different and indefensible reasons. Having said that, the “intellectual dishonesty” is inappropriate, just as it was inappropriate when you first used it.  The difference between voters with no or fewer than five previous edits, stretching back one or two days, and voters with fifteen or more edits stretching back over weeks or months, is clear and incontrovertible.  (Even the white supremacists were only aiming for ten edits before voting.) I note, incidentally, that someone (after the voting's over and the page has been deleted) has made a special “anonymous” category for one(!) delete-voter, even though a quick check demonstrates that that voter has a reasonable and stable edit history, and a user page with a comment about the lack of an account name.  It's worrying that there's so much desperation on the keep side. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:27, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Mel, there is no hard and fast rule about how many edits an editor should have. Someone whose account was opened *after* the VfD started is suspect as an account created for the purpose of influencing the decision, a so-called "sock-puppet", although this can be masked by doing many edits over  the course of a couple of days before actually voting.  The VfD does last several days.  A sysop might discount all votes from accounts created after the VfD started, no matter how many edits it has, although this might well discount valid new users.  An old account that was created long ago that suddenly pops back into activity for a VfD is suspect too.    An account created shortly before the VfD vote but with only a few edits is less suspect as a "sock-puppet", but one can still wonder whether such a new person sufficiently understands the policies on which VfD is based to have his comments/vote given full weight.   In a close vote, a sysop could look at all these things and decide to discount a vote, perhaps entirely.   It is actually a misnomer to call it a "vote".   It is an attempt to establish consensus and the comments are as important as the so-called "votes".   The final decision is actually made by the sysop who processes the "vote".   --BM 13:20, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This VfD is a perfect example of what is wrong w the wikipedia: Cliques of biased users hovering around controversial pages no one else is much interested in, and enforcing intellectual dishonesty. In the past I removed everything from my watchlist relating to homosexuals due to that phenomena, I may have to do the same w articles relating to Jews. The idea that Jewish Ethnocentrism is nonexistent is hilarious. 12:33, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * BM: but my point was that, of all the delete-voters that I checked, only one had registered after the VfD was posted (as I recall it was the same day, possibly the day after). It would be odd, given how many people register, that a VfD – especially one attracting a lot of attention – shouldn't attract one or two recently registered Users.  The point, of course, was that a large proportion of keep-voters were very recently registered, and had made no or fewer than five minor edits before voting.  I don't see that one can bring in the person's understanding; an admin certainly shouldn't start guessing at how well a voter understands the issues (that might invalidate most of the votes on both sides...); using the comments makes sense, of course, but that's a different matter.
 * I think the clearest criterion would be simply be: if the account was not created before the VfD was started, the vote shouldn't count, and if it was, then it should be given full weight.   However, these kind of rules fly in the face of how the VfD process is described in the policy.  It isn't actually a vote; the sysop who handles the VfD nomination is the one who makes the decision, although he is supposed to base the decision on the "consensus" expressed in the VfD comments.  It is only a matter of custom that consensus means two-thirds of the "votes".  Likewise the notion that sock-puppets shouldn't be "counted" is convention, since the policy doesn't require any "tallying" of votes at all as the means of determining consensus.   In some (perhaps most) cases, the admins do seem to mechanically tally the "votes" and see if they come to two-thirds, sometimes with dumb results, but that is simply a matter of how the particular admin goes about it.  --BM 16:50, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Sam Spade: there were indeed two groups, each containing a high proportion of people whose edit-histories (those who had them) suggested that they were voting on principle rather than from careful thought about the status of the article. I hold no brief for such people on either side.  The keep-voters seemed to include a lot of people who were happy to cheat, manipulate the process, and accuse those with whom they disagreed of dishonesty.  I despise that attitude, and the claim that such dishonesty was forced onto people by the actions of others.
 * I'd only add that few comments that I read denied the existence of Jewish ethnocentrism, though some denied that the term was in common or in respectable academic use. My main argument, and that of others, was that there was nothing in the article that didn't belong elsewhere (mostly in ethnocentrism), and that picking out just Jewish ethnocentricity was at best unnecessary, at worst a symptom of racism.  (One editor's attempt to sidestep this criticism by adding a vacuous and hastily written paragraph and calling it Chinese ethnocentrism was notable, and wholly against Wikipedia principles.) Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:24, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Just to point out, for those who were unaware, that Sam Spade has put this article to Votes for undeletion. He's not attracting much sympathy, perhaps partly because he ranted rather than trying to make a case. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:15, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't call that a rant, it was pretty eloquent if I do say so myself. The mailing list is far more likely the culprit, I wasn't aware that Jimbo had decreed these shenanigans from on high, or I likely wouldn't have made the VfU in the first place. 21:50, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * What I think is unacceptable is how many of the people on the side to delete Jewish Ethnocentrism go out of their way to make sure that areas on wikipedia that are jewish oriented are tame, unbalanced, biased and lacking in neutrality, and when you point this out these same emotionally and biased people spew childish insults shouting nazi, white supremacist, stormfront, blah blah blah. I think what this Jewish Ethnocentrism section shows is that the people who vote to delete it should be closely monitored on wikipedia with microscopes as too many of them delete and censor valid links and contributions. Wikipedia is very much suffering due to this fact.

I also like the fact that I have over 100 contributions, but I get lumped into the fewer than 5 section so as to dilute the Keep vote. What a bunch of biased and pathetic jewish supremacists we have here.

Keep a close eye on all of them.

Dnagod 23:23, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Your vote at Votes for deletion/Jewish ethnocentrism was your third edit at Wikipedia. older ≠ wiser 23:39, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that it's worth responding to someone with Dnagod's views, given mental level they imply, but I'll just point out that I've been involved in only two arguments on Jewish-related pages. On this one I voted to delete a page whose only purpose seemed to be to spread as much anti-Semitism as possible from a very small pot labelled MacDonald; on the other one I argued equally vehemently against people who wanted to delete an anti-Israeli cartoon for what seemed to me to be equally dubious reasons.  Some of the same people were involved in both debates, and I was arguing with them in one case and against them in the other.  I argue on the merits of the case, and I try to do what's right.  I wonder if you've ever had that sort of experience? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:43, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Does my vote not count in that at the time I made it, I had less than 5 contributions? Even though now I have made more than 5 contributions at this point? If a person votes when they only have 1 contribution - as an example - but after voting make dozens of contributions, is their vote still invalid? Even though they still believe and support their vote? I am Curious 2 know.

Dnagod 21:20, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, your vote is considered a very likely sockpuppet. Your behavior after the vote is irrelevant to the vote. I mean no offense with this. -- RyanFreisling @ 21:45, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * A sockpuppet of who, might I ask? I think its pretty obvious that he's not a sock puppet, but rather is somebody from the stormfront mailing list. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 21:55, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I am speaking about the 'banal' use of the term, a sockpuppet being an individual who comes from outside (in your explanation, the white separatist site 'Stormfront') to the wikipedia to vote, not to contribute and edit according to the WikiWay, as per your description. Was that clearer? -- RyanFreisling @ 21:58, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * It's easy for someone trying to influence the vote from outside to stay on afterwards (whether simply to create an edit history, or because they want to get involved, for whatever reason). It's rather more difficult to stay on before voting. Incidentally Dnagit, have you thought of adding something more on your User page about how much you earn?  I'm sure that lots of Wikipedians really want to know, and you only mention it twice.  (Oh, and I think that you mean “cabal”, not “cable”.)  Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:05, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What the heck?
This page is linked from VfD. I can't tell if there is a live vote going on here or what. (I suspect not.) Can someone please put a short note at the top of the page clarifying its present status? Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:16, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * The page itself does not currently exist, as a result of prior VfD and failed VfU quite recently. So at the moment there isn't a vote going on. -- Curps 18:26, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * TNX. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:04, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)


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Muwashshah

Muwashshah (مُوَشَّح muwaššaḥ literally means "girdled" in Classical Arabic; plural muwaššaḥāt موشحات or tawāšīḥ تواشيح) is the name for both an Arabic poetic form and a musical genre. The poetic form consists of a multi-lined strophic verse poem written in classical Arabic, usually consisting of five stanzas, alternating with a refrain with a running rhyme. It was customary to open with one or two lines which matched the second part of the poem in rhyme and meter; in North Africa poets ignore the strict rules of Arabic meter while the poets in the East follow them. The musical genre of the same name uses muwaššaḥ texts as lyrics, still in classical Arabic. This tradition can take two forms: the waṣla of the Mashriq and the Arab Andalusi nubah of the western part of the Arab world.

History
While the qasida and the maqama were adapted from the Mashriq, strophic poetry is the only form of Andalusi literature known to have its origins in the Iberian Peninsula. Andalusi strophic poetry exists in two forms: the muwaššaḥ: a more complex version in Standard Arabic with the exception of the concluding couplet, or the kharja, and zajal: a simpler form entirely in vernacular Arabic. The earliest known muwaššaḥs date back to the eleventh century.

It was exported to the east, and celebrated there by figures such as Ibn Sanāʾ al-Mulk and ibn Dihya al-Kalby. The corpus of muwaššaḥs is formed by pieces in Hebrew and Andalusi Arabic. Tova Rosen describes the muwaššaḥ as "a product and a microcosm of the cultural conditions particular to al-Andalus. The linguistic interplay between the standard written languages—Arabic and Hebrew—and the oral forms—Andalusi Arabic, Andalusi Romance, Hebrew, and other Romance languages—reflect the fluidity and diversity of the linguistic landscape of al-Andalus.

The earliest known source on the muwashshah is ibn Bassam’s Dhakhīra fī mahāsin ahl al-Jazīra. He ascribes the invention of the muwashshah to the 10th century blind poet Muhammad Mahmud al-Qabri or ibn ‘Abd Rabbih. Nonetheless, there are no extant muwashshah poems attributed to these authors.

Ibn Sanāʾ al-Mulk (d. 1211), author of Dār aṭ-ṭirāz fī ʿamal al-muwashshaḥāt (دار الطراز في عمل الموشحات), wrote the most detailed surviving musical description of the ''muwashshaḥ.  He wrote that some of the muwashshaḥāt had lyrics that fit their melodies (sometimes through melisma), while others had improvised nonsense syllables to fill out the melodic line—a practice that survives to the present with relevant sections labeled as shughl (شُغل 'work') in songbooks. ''

The poetic form
Examples of muwaššaḥ poetry start to appear as early as the 9th or 10th century. It is believed to come from the Arabic root w-š-ḥ (وشح) which means any thing that a woman might wear on her neck from a necklace to a scarf, and the verb Tawašḥ means to wear. Some relate it to the word for a type of double-banded ornamental belt, the wišaḥ, which also means a scarf in Arabic. The underlying idea is that, as there is a single rhyme running through the refrain of each stanza, the stanzas are like objects hung from a belt.

Typically, Arabic poetry has a single meter and rhyme across the poem and is structured according to couplets, not strophes. The muwashah however, is generally divided into five stanzas with a complex rhyme scheme. Each stanza consisted of aghsan (sing: ghusn), lines with a rhyme particular to that strophe and asmat (sing: simt), lines with a rhyme shared by the rest of the poem. Conventionally, the muwashshah opened with a matlaʿ (مَطْلَع‘the beginning’) and closed with a kharja (‘exit’). The kharja was in a vernacular language such as colloquial Arabic or Romance. It often was voiced by a different poetic speaker.

Meter
The meter of the muwashah can be one of the classical meters defined by al-Khalil or the poet can devise a new meter. This subject is debated amongst scholars, some of whom argue for the use of a Romance metrical system based on syllable stress.

Themes
Typical themes for a muwashshah include love, panegyric, and wine. Some muwashshah poems are devoted to a single theme while others combine multiple themes. One common thematic structure is love, followed by panegyric, and then love. The kharja also plays a role in elaborating the poem’s theme. At the end of a love poem, the kharja might be voiced by the beloved. The eastern muwashshah tradition includes themes such as elegy and invective. Ibn Arabi and ibn al-Ṣabbāgh composed esoteric muwashshahs that used wine and love as allegories for divine yearning.

Hebrew muwashshah
An important number of the muwashshah poems written in al-Andalus were composed in Hebrew. Hebrew muwashshah authors maintained the linguistically distinct kharja of the Arabic muwashshah and often included kharjas written in colloquial Arabic. Because of its strophic structure, it was similar to some Hebrew liturgical poetry. Starting in the 11th century, the Hebrew muwashshah was also used for religious purposes. The first extant Hebrew muwashshahs are attributed to Samuel ibn Naghrillah. Other prominent Hebrew muwashshah authors include Judah Halevi, Todros ben Judah Halevi Abulafia and Joseph ibn Tzaddik.

The first author to compose a devotional muwashshah was Solomon ibn Gabirol, about two centuries prior to the development of religious muwashshah poetry in Arabic. He was followed in this tradition by Moses ibn Ezra, Abraham ibn Ezra, and Judah Halevi, among others. The poems were designed for use in prayer services and were elaborated themes of particular benedictions. Unlike other Hebrew muwashshahs, the kharja of a devotional muwashshah was in Hebrew.

The musical genre
Musically, the ensemble consists of oud (lute), kamanja (spike fiddle), qanun (box zither), darabukkah (goblet drum), and daf (tambourine): the players of these instruments often double as a choir. The soloist performs only a few chosen lines of the selected text. In Aleppo multiple maqam rows (scales) and up to three awzān (rhythms) are used and modulation to neighboring maqamat was possible during the B section. Until modernization it was typical to present a complete waslah, or up to eight successive muwaššaḥ including an instrumental introduction (sama'i or bashraf). It may end with a longa. Famous Muwashshah songs still played in the Arab World today include Lamma Bada Yatathanna and Jadaka al-Ghaithu.

Famous poets

 * Al-Tutili
 * Avempace
 * Avenzoar
 * Todros ben Judah Halevi Abulafia (Hebrew)
 * Yehuda Halevi (Hebrew)
 * Ibn al-Khatib
 * Ibn Baqi
 * Ibn Zamrak

Famous muwashshahs

 * "Lamma Bada Yatathanna" (لما بدا يتثنى)
 * "Jadaka al-Ghaithu" (جادك الغيث)

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Talk:Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario leadership elections

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I am a very bad boy. I redirected the articles for the 1985, 2002 and 2004 conventions/elections without really knowing how to do it properly. (I blame the info provided at the community protal that tells you how to redirect without telling you that you really should "move" the article in order to protect the history.) As a consequence, it appear that I created these articles on February 2, 2004 with lots of lovely text. In fact, these were collaborative efforts by several people. I did create the original of the 1985 article, but it had benefited from the input and editing of others. Now, should I bother an admin to get this mistake fixed, or should I just just leave well enough alone with this mea culpa as the permanent record of my folly? Kevintoronto 23:41, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hmm ... I think I might have just made things worse. My plan was to take the 2004 page back to its original setting (ie. "2004 OPClc"), delete the "OPClc, 2004" page, and then move the page properly. Instead, it now appears that I accidentally deleted the extensive page history from *both* the main page and the redirect, something which I didn't think was possible.

I'm currently trying to re-establish the information, though I'm starting to wonder if it might be best just to let this alone ... CJCurrie 00:11, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And, to make things even more confusing, it now looks as though the current page history for "OPClc, 2004" (consisting entirely of recent changes by myself and Kevin) is actually a glitch in the system. This presumably means one of two things: (i) the proper page history will reappear in a few minutes, and the matter will be solved, or (ii) I've discovered a new problem that I don't know how to fix.

I'm going to wait for a bit before doing anything else. In the event that I've permanently damaged the page history in question, I offer a blanket apology to everyone who contributed. CJCurrie 00:17, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Woo-hoo! The glitch fixed itself! The page history is back, and on the "OPClc, 2004" page to boot! My plan worked! I'm a genius! (okay, okay, I'll stop ...)

I'll do the same trick on the other pages shortly. Note that there could be a similar delay in the page history returning. CJCurrie 00:46, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:British Columbia Liberal Party leadership contest, 2011 which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. 117Avenue (talk) 02:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


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Cigar (disambiguation)

A cigar is a roll of tobacco.

Cigar or the Cigar can also stand for:

As an acronym

 * CIGAR (aviation), a mnemonic for pre-takeoff checklists (Controls, Instruments, Gas, Attitude, Run-Up)
 * CIGAR string, a representation of sequence alignment in Bioinformatics (Compact Idiosyncratic Gapped Alignment Report)
 * CII GUI Architecture

People

 * Delbert Daisey (1928–2017), American waterfowl wood carver and decoy maker known as "Cigar" Daisey
 * Marvin Elkind (aka "the Weasel" or "the Cigar"), Jimmy Hoffa's driver and subject of The Weasel: A Double Life in the Mob, a 2011 biography
 * Carmine Galante (1910–1979), American mobster also known as "Cigar"
 * Paul McKinney (1925–2013), American poker player

Race horses

 * Cigar (horse) (1990–2014), an American Thoroughbred racehorse
 * Cigar, a steeplechase horse that flourished around 1841

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 * Cigar (band), an American punk rock band
 * Cigar Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada - see Cigar Lake Mine

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Beck (disambiguation)

Beck (born 1970) is an American singer and record producer.

Beck may also refer to:

Arts and entertainment

 * Beck (film), a 1997 film
 * Beck (Swedish TV series)
 * Beck (British TV series)
 * Beck (album), a 1975 album by Joe Beck
 * Beck (EP), a 2001 EP by Beck
 * Beck (manga), a Japanese manga series, or its anime adaptation Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad

People

 * Beck (surname), including a list of people with the name
 * Beck baronets, an extinct title in the Baronetage of Great Britain
 * Beck Bennett (born 1984), American actor, writer, and comedian
 * Beck A. Taylor (fl. 2000s), American university president
 * Beck Weathers (born 1946), American pathologist and survivor of the 1996 Mount Everest disaster
 * Beck Oliver, a character from Nickelodeon's Victorious, portrayed by Canadian actor Avan Jogia
 * Beck (Tron), the main protagonist of Tron: Uprising, voiced by Elijah Wood

Places

 * Beck, Alabama, U.S.
 * River Beck, in south London, England

Other uses

 * Beck (bus maker), an American bus manufacturer
 * Beck (stream), a small stream
 * Beck Book Company (Beck's), forerunner of Wakefield Press, Adelaide, South Australia
 * Beck Motorsports, an American auto racing team
 * Beck Theatre, a theatre in London, England

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Talk:Electronic voting in Canada

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I don't have the time to, but if anyone is interested in making this page robust, the source below has a wealth of information about e-voting and the implications for canada. Its also a very authoritive source, lots of big names etc.

http://www.amcto.com/lib/Db2File.asp?fileid=28280

have fun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.87.236 (talk) 05:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know much about categories. I just put this in Canada, but there are probably better ones to use. Rakerman 23:45, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"Some systems used have been certified to United States standards."

.. God help us here in Canada then. --Eddie Parker 23:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

--Honour 19:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I used to live in Barrie, Ontario... there was a fair amount of concern over the voting machines there; confusing for elderly people, no receipt, no recount. Barrie is triple-conservative (Provincial PC MPP is related to Federal Conservative MP, Mayor and much of Council supported by the same group of large business interests, and the Mayor himself owns the largest nightclubs in town), so the presence of Diebold there doesn't really surprise me that much.  And I agree with what Eddie Parker said.  Good article, by the way... i'm doing some Master's work on elections in Canada and got here from [Municipal_elections_in_Canada].   nice to see there's people out there doing my research for me ;)

ES&S is a US-headquartered company. Rakerman 18:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

A reminder for electronic voting systems vendors: In general, in accordance with Conflict of interest, you should not edit this (or any other) electronic voting page. As well, vendor or not, all statements must be sourced and have Neutral Point of View, in accordance with No original research and Neutral point of view. Rakerman 19:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

For New Brunswick the link to the globe and mail article is http://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/nb-ponders-e-voting/article20433170/Katieburley (talk) 14:44, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Consensus-seeking decision-making

It seems to me that this article should be merged with consensus decision-making and converted to a redirect. I just don't see a clear enough distinction to create a whole new article. Don't be surprised if this article gets nominated for vfd shortly. — Stevie is the man!  Talk 23:45, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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That was my first thought also but the following statement from the consensus decision-making article convinced me that a separate article seemed in order:

 * Accordingly U-3 and lesser degrees of unanimity are usually lumped in with statistical measures of agreement, such as: 80%, mean plus one sigma, two-thirds, or greater than half (majority) levels of agreement. Such measures do not fit within the definition of consensus given at the beginning of this article.

I'm assuming that it is the consensus (sic) of the article authors that the inclusion of a fallback voting mechanism turns this into something other than a true "consensus" process. I'm inclined to agree but I defer to the more experienced members of Wikipedeom.

Some more feedback is appreciated. Should I merge? Will this annoy the other article's authors? I'm inclined to keep it separate to avoid battles over what qualifies as "consensus".

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Tournament (disambiguation)

A tournament is a form of organized competition.

Tournament may also refer to:

 * Tournament (medieval), a chivalrous competition of the Middle Ages
 * Tournament (solitaire), a solitaire card game
 * Tournament (graph theory), a kind of directed graph

Media

 * The Tournament (TV series), a 2005–06 Canadian TV show
 * The Tournament (Clarke novel), a 2002 novel by Australian writer John Clarke
 * The Tournament (Reilly novel), a 2013 novel by Australian writer Matthew Reilly
 * The Tournament (Révoil), an 1812 painting by Pierre Révoil
 * Speedball 2: Tournament, a 2007 videogame

Films

 * The Tournament (1974 film) (Cantonese: Chung taai kuen taan sang sei chin), a Hong Kong film featuring Yuen Wah
 * The Tournament (2009 film), an action film starring Robert Carlyle
 * Tournament (film), a 2010 Malayalam-language film
 * The Tournament (2015 film), a 2015 French film

Other uses

 * Tournament Park, Pasadena, California, USA; a park

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Talk:Addressing scheme

I removed some material from the article, which seemed inappropriate for the article title, but may be of use elsewhere or might be re-inserted in a more logical fashion.

Electronic and plasma schemes: Colour displays or the pixel geometry are actually implemented using three gray-scale component system making up one pixel, and each component is followed with a primary colour-filter to separate the red, green and blue. So the treatment simplifies since it is sufficient to consider only a pixel with N gray shades. The shade level is typically lineary dependent on the applied potential over the pixel, so each level will translate into a separation of say ΔV/N volts per gray shade, where ΔV is the potential range that the pixel respons to. Each separation is typically some mV. Since there is risk for a cross-talk at neighbouring pels, the addressing scheme must carefully be designed so that addressing a pixel does not affect other neighbours. If cross-talk occures, then the contrast is reduced.

The former needs to connect one Thin Film Transistors (TFT) to each pixel, and the latter relies on the pixel's bistabilty such as ferroelectrism. For a n × m-matrix schemes, only (n + m) pads are needed.

— Bradley 23:53, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

other kinds of addressing
The clickee should be made aware of Address_(geography) and House_numbering.

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Zhuan Zhu

Zhuan Zhu (專諸; died 515 BC) was an assassin in the Spring and Autumn period. Zhuan Zhu used to be a butcher, he was very filial to his mother. As Prince Guang (later King Helü of Wu) wanted to kill King Liao of Wu and take the throne himself, Zhuan Zhu was recommended to Prince Guang by Wu Zixu. In 515 BC he managed to kill King Liao in a party with a dagger hidden in a fish. He was killed after he had completed his mission. In folklore, the dagger he used to kill King Liao was named Yuchang (魚腸), or "Fish intestines", because it was small enough to be hidden in a fish.

Life
Zhuan Zhu came from a butcher family and was extremely filial to his mother. According to the Yue Jue Shu, "Zhuan Zhu fought with others and had the courage to face ten thousand men. When he heard his wife call, he would immediately return. Isn't this the beginning of the fear of wives?". In truth, it was because Zhuan Zhu's wife held his mother's cane. Zhuan Zhu was so filial that he regarded the cane as his mother; thus, he followed his wife home. At that time, the great Chu general, Wu Zixu, fled from Chu to Wu and met Zhuan Zhu. He was surprised that Zhuan Zhu was afraid of women, so Zhuan Zhu told him: "Those who can submit to a woman can surely stretch out above ten thousand men." Wu Zixu saw him as a remarkable talent.

Wu Zixu fled to the state of Wu after his father and brother were unjustly killed by the King of Chu. He went to see the King Liao of Wu, and tried to persuade him to attack Chu, but was stopped by Liao's nephew, Prince Guang, who wanted to avenge his own personal grudge. Wu Zixu knew that Helü of Wu wanted to kill King Liao and thought to himself, "He has his own plans, and I can't talk to him about outside matters." So he recommended Zhuan Zhu to Helü of Wu. After Prince Guang acquired Zhuan Zhu, he treated him as an honored guest and showed respect to his mother. Zhuan Zhu inquired about the preferences of King Liao of Wu and learned that he loved "grilled fish." So he went to the shore of Lake Tai to learn the art of grilling fish. The fish he grilled had a unique flavor.

In the spring of the following year, after the death of King Ping of Chu in 516 BCE, King Liao of Wu saw Chu mourning its deceased ruler. He dispatched his brothers Prince Guang and Zhuyong to lead troops to besiege the cities of Liu and Lin in Chu, and he sent Yanling Jizi to observe the movements of other vassal states in the Jin region. Chu's forces intercepted Gaiyu and Zhuyong, cutting off their retreat, thus preventing the Wu troops from withdrawing. At this moment, Prince Guang said to Zhuan Zhu, "This is an opportunity that cannot be missed. If we don't act now, how can we seize it? Besides, I am the rightful heir to the throne. Even if Jizi returns, he won't depose me." Zhuan Zhu replied, "King Liao can be killed. Currently, he is old and weak, and his two brothers are leading troops to attack Chu, but they have been cut off by Chu, leaving Wu surrounded. Moreover, there are no capable ministers in Wu's court. What can they do to us?" Prince Guang hurriedly kneeled down and said, "My fate is in your hands!".

Zhuan Zhu was moved by Prince Guang's kindness and decided to repay him with his life, but he was concerned about his mother. Before departing, he returned home to visit his mother. She told Zhuan Zhu that a great man should be remembered in history while standing between heaven and earth. She urged him not to regret his whole life because of trivial family matters. She then pretended to be thirsty and asked Zhuan Zhu to fetch some clear water for her. Zhuan Zhu went to fetch the water, and upon his return, he found his mother had already hanged herself in the back hall. His mother's sacrifice relieved Zhuan Zhu of his worries about his family and spurred him on to accomplish his mission. This account is sourced from The Records of the Eastern Zhou Dynasty States as it is not mentioned in Annals of Wu and Yue or Records of the Grand Historian.

In April 515 BC, Prince Guang prepared a banquet to entertain King Liao of Wu and ambushed his soldiers in the basement. King Liao of Wu desired grilled fish but remained vigilant. He sent troops from the palace to Prince Guang's mansion. After a few rounds of drinks, Prince Guang pretended to have a foot ailment and went to the basement to rest. Zhuan Zhu followed the plan, concealing a dagger inside a grilled fish and presenting it. When the fish was delivered to King Liao, Zhuan Zhu suddenly tore open the fish's belly, took out the dagger, and stabbed King Liao, piercing through three layers of armor. King Liao died on the spot, and his guards simultaneously killed Zhuan Zhu. Taking advantage of the chaos among King Liao's soldiers, Prince Guang immediately sent his soldiers to kill all of King Liao's soldiers and proclaimed himself king, namely King Helü of Wu.

After Helü ascended the throne, he appointed Zhuan Zhu's son Zhuan Yi as the Grand Marshal. He also gave Zhuan Zhu a generous funeral in accordance with his wish to be buried next to the tomb of Taibo. According to Wang Ao's Records of Gusu, Zhuan Zhu's tomb is located inside the Panmen Gate next to the Temple of Wudaifu (Wu Zixu), but there is no trace of it today.

Legacy
The Fish Intestine Sword, also known as the Fish Concealed Sword, was the dagger used by Zhuan Zhu to assassinate King Liao of Wu. It is said that the blade had patterns resembling fish scales, which was the result of the complicated process used to forge it. The purpose of this was to be able to pierce through the armor worn by King Liao under his clothes. It was also called the "Fish Intestine Sword" because it was eventually hidden in the belly of a fish.

The Tomb of Zhuan Zhu is located on the east ridge of Hongshan Mountain in Suzhou, Jiangsu Province, China. It is a small mound that is about 2 meters high and 10 meters in diameter. The tomb is surrounded by a stone wall and there is a stele in front of the tomb that tells the story of Zhuan Zhu.

The Zhuan Zhu Pagoda was located in Doulou Lane, Wuxi City, Jiangsu Province, China. It was a tall pagoda that was said to have been built by Helü, the king of Wu, in honor of Zhuan Zhu, a loyal retainer who assassinated King Liao of Wu. The pagoda was a popular tourist destination in Wuxi. It was a reminder of Zhuan Zhu's loyalty and sacrifice, and it was a symbol of the power of one person to change the course of history. Unfortunately, the pagoda was demolished during the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s.

Zhuan Zhu Lane is located in the western part of Suzhou City. It is a lane that is close to the inner city river and the city wall. It connects to Jinmen Gate in the south and Guanmen Gate in the north. It is said that the lane was named after Zhuan Zhu's tomb, which is located here. Later, the area around Zhuan Zhu Lane gradually developed into a center for the jade carving industry; hence, the name of Zhuan Zhu Lane has also been mistakenly passed down as "Chuanzhu Lane" due to its association with jade carving.

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Talk:Jimmy Snyder (sports commentator)

Mob Ties
I just saw an episode of Frontline called "The Unauthorized History of the NFL." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgTepbjAKEk It mentioned that Jimmy Snyder was jailed for mob ties (I think gambling related) and then got a presidential pardon (I think from Ford). Thought that was a neat piece of history that's not reflected on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.135.33.8 (talk) 23:32, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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For the record: the quote of Mr Snyder's comment is taken from Snopes' page. Przepla 23:55, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Er, I just removed the "dick" from the quote. It's inaccurate. Fuzheado | Talk 09:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Steubenville, Pittsburgh
Should "Pittsburgh suburb of Steubenville, Ohio" be changed, (at least the "Pittsburgh suburb" part? Steubenville is definitely NOT a suburb of Pittsburgh.

 * I definitely think it should be changed and will in fact change it.

 * In that case, maybe the "People from Pittsburgh" category should be changed or dropped.140.147.160.78 17:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

 * Agreed. I will remove that category.Jackdempsey187 22:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Controversial "statements"--only one
Perhaps someone should reconsider the heading "Controversial statements." There's only one statement being referred to, here. Granted, there was a lot more to it than quoted in the article. I remember seeing it on TV. He said something to the effect that black people are "bred" for athletic ability; he also said something about black people having more muscled thighs, so they can run faster and jump higher. But although it was several sentences, it was only one statement, in the broad sense of the word--one career ruining statement. Using the word "statements" suggests that there were other instances. 140.147.160.78 17:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

 * I added Jimmy the Greeks controversial statement on black coaches taking over white coaches jobs. Cmguy777 (talk) 00:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Personal life?
One thing I know about Jimmy the Greek is that he had a child or children who died of cystic fibrosis. This was mentioned in Frank deFord's (whose daughter Alex died of it) in his SI obit of Jimmy. I don't have the verifiable information but if I can dig it up, I'll add it.

Some other personal info might be nice too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beckerbuns (talk • contribs) 17:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

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Ohio teens and bookmakers.
Anyone else sees anything wrong with this statement? "As a teenager in Ohio, he naturally became acquainted with bookmakers"? Naturally ? Just because he was an Ohio teen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.138.82 (talk) 06:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Noticed that too, I'll yank it. David.snipes (talk) 13:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Controversial statements
I'm not sure, but I think at the time of his firing there were some African-Americans who expressed support for Snyder (though his statements were extremely distasteful, it doesn't mean they weren't true...his statements could have been interpreted as anti-racist and a criticism of the institution of slavery...) any references on that?Gobledeegooke (talk) 15:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Historical research does support Jimmy the Greeks statement. Southerners did breed slaves and desired to have the strongest slaves possible. I propose adding the following statement:
 * According to historians James Oliver Horton and Lois E. Horton, slave owners prior to the American Civil War did desire the strongest slaves, and that there several contemporary reports that Southern slave owners did practice breeding slaves. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:10, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

In the effort of Wikipedia fairness and neutrality, I added information on the historical research that Southern slave holders desired the strongest slaves and that there were many witness reports that Southern slave owners did in fact breed slaves. Jimmy the Greeks reputation is on the line. I am not defending or condoning any of Jimmy the Greeks statements. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:43, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I deleted this statement as it is not relevant to Jimmy Snyder -- the book in question was not cited by Snyder and does not mention Snyder. Other articles like Slave breeding in the United States can benefit from this source. White 720 (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

 * That is fine, as long as there is a link to slave breeding. Although Jimmy the Greek's carelessly gave his views on TV, he was not mistaken that Southerners bred slaves. Cmguy777 (talk) 06:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Snyder CBS lawsuit
Are there any reliable sources that state whether Snyder was successfull at sueing the CBS network or if there was an arbitration settlement? Cmguy777 (talk) 00:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I've added the decision in the article. Robert.Baruch (talk) 20:17, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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I saw that a citation was needed for Jimmy's quote "American women didn't trust men with a mustache". It can be found in https://www.amazon.com/Stage-Manager-Standing-Daniel-Morgan/dp/1634170717/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=9781634170710&linkCode=qs&qid=1561206470&s=books&sr=1-1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.141.122 (talk) 12:35, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

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Beck (manga)

Beck is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Harold Sakuishi. It was originally serialized in Monthly Shōnen Magazine from 1999 to 2008, with the 103 chapters later published into 34 tankōbon volumes by Kodansha. It tells the story of a group of Japanese teenagers who form a rock band and their struggle to fame, focusing on 14-year-old Yukio "Koyuki" Tanaka, who until meeting guitar prodigy Ryusuke Minami was an average teen with a boring life.

It was adapted into a 26-episode anime television series, titled Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad, by Madhouse and aired on TV Tokyo from October 2004 to March 2005. A live-action film adaptation was released in 2010 and stars Takeru Satoh as Koyuki and Hiro Mizushima as Ryusuke. The series has also spawned three guidebooks, four soundtracks, a video game and a line of guitars.

The Beck manga was licensed for an English-language release in North America by Tokyopop. The first volume was published in July 2005, but the series was discontinued after the release of volume 12 in June 2008. In July 2018, ComiXology began releasing the series digitally. The anime was given an English-language release by Funimation from 2007 to 2008.

Plot summary
Yukio Tanaka, known as "Koyuki" by his friends, is a regular 14-year-old Japanese boy starting eighth grade in junior high school. His boring life is changed when he saves an odd-looking dog, named Beck, from some kids. Beck's owner turns out to be an emerging rock musician, 16-year-old Ryusuke Minami, who soon influences Koyuki to start playing the guitar. The story focuses on the trials and tribulations of their rock band named Beck, and Koyuki's relationships with its members, in particular Ryusuke and his 14-year-old half-sister Maho.

After hanging out with Ryusuke and seeing him play with his former band, Koyuki slowly becomes interested in Western rock music. Ryusuke gives him a guitar, but when Koyuki breaks it, Ryusuke tells him never to speak to him again. At the same time, Ryusuke forms his new band Beck, with vocalist Tsunemi Chiba, bassist Yoshiyuki Taira, and Togo, the drummer from his previous band. Koyuki begins working for, and learning guitar from, 44-year-old Kenichi Saitou in exchange to have the guitar fixed.

He reunites with Ryusuke a year later, and begins to rehearse with Beck. Koyuki then makes friends with his classmate Yuji "Saku" Sakurai. When Togo leaves the band, Ryusuke has Koyuki and Saku join Beck as support musicians, becoming full members only when the band hears Koyuki sing. Eventually Beck releases their first album, which gets released on an independent record label in the United States, under the band name Mongolian Chop Squad. After gaining popularity from their US album and Koyuki being in an internationally screened concert documentary, Beck earns a spot at the music festival Grateful Sound 5, where they put on the most talked about show of the whole festival. (The live-action film adaptation ends here.) However, circumstances cause them to part ways, making it their last performance.

Finding life tedious without being in Beck, Koyuki slowly gets the members back together, except Ryusuke, whose whereabouts are unknown. They perform a few shows as a quartet, before getting an offer to tour the US based on their Grateful Sound 5 performance. After Koyuki and Saku drop out of school to do the tour, Beck heads to America. But after several bad performances, they are about to get kicked off the tour before reuniting with Ryusuke in Seattle. (The anime adaptation ends here.) The rest of the tour is a hit and they end up appearing on national TV before heading back to Japan.

After releasing two singles, Beck goes on a nationwide tour of Japan and earn a spot at Grateful Sound 7. However, they are later cut from the lineup. They slowly bounce back after forming a tour with several similar-sounding bands, get signed to a popular British indie record label, and start recording their first full album. The now-famous director who created the concert documentary Koyuki once appeared in ends up directing their first music video. Their album and music video do well both in Japan and England, earning them numerous magazine articles in both countries. After another nationwide tour of Japan, they do a short tour of England, including a spot at the relaunch of the legendary Avalon Festival. The band then signs to a major international record label and records their major debut album in New York. With the album hugely successful worldwide, they tour Japan and America extensively, and the series then ends with Beck headlining the main stage at Grateful Sound 9.

Characters

 * Tanaka Yukio (田中 幸雄)
 * The series follows his rapid development from living a boring average life to becoming an outstanding guitarist and singer. Before meeting Ryusuke, he only listened to Japanese pop music, having never heard a foreign band before. He is the last member recruited into Beck (along with Saku), playing rhythm guitar and singing slower songs.
 * The series follows his rapid development from living a boring average life to becoming an outstanding guitarist and singer. Before meeting Ryusuke, he only listened to Japanese pop music, having never heard a foreign band before. He is the last member recruited into Beck (along with Saku), playing rhythm guitar and singing slower songs.
 * The series follows his rapid development from living a boring average life to becoming an outstanding guitarist and singer. Before meeting Ryusuke, he only listened to Japanese pop music, having never heard a foreign band before. He is the last member recruited into Beck (along with Saku), playing rhythm guitar and singing slower songs.

 * Minami Ryūsuke (南 竜介)
 * A slacker, but talented guitarist, who inspires Koyuki to pick up the instrument. Ryusuke speaks better English than Japanese, having lived in New York for eight years. He is the lead guitarist of Beck as well as its founding member. A large amount of the story revolves around him and his bullet-hole ridden Gibson Les Paul guitar, named Lucille (which is the same name as B.B. King's famous black Gibson).
 * A slacker, but talented guitarist, who inspires Koyuki to pick up the instrument. Ryusuke speaks better English than Japanese, having lived in New York for eight years. He is the lead guitarist of Beck as well as its founding member. A large amount of the story revolves around him and his bullet-hole ridden Gibson Les Paul guitar, named Lucille (which is the same name as B.B. King's famous black Gibson).
 * A slacker, but talented guitarist, who inspires Koyuki to pick up the instrument. Ryusuke speaks better English than Japanese, having lived in New York for eight years. He is the lead guitarist of Beck as well as its founding member. A large amount of the story revolves around him and his bullet-hole ridden Gibson Les Paul guitar, named Lucille (which is the same name as B.B. King's famous black Gibson).

 * Minami Maho (南 真帆)
 * Maho is Ryusuke's younger half-sister and a talented singer. She is brash but emotionally fragile, and gradually builds a romantic relationship with Koyuki. Beautiful and fairly popular, Koyuki often has a hard time approaching her romantically. While she is obviously a gifted singer, Maho confides in Koyuki that she would actually like to be a film maker. She is also an amateur model.
 * Maho is Ryusuke's younger half-sister and a talented singer. She is brash but emotionally fragile, and gradually builds a romantic relationship with Koyuki. Beautiful and fairly popular, Koyuki often has a hard time approaching her romantically. While she is obviously a gifted singer, Maho confides in Koyuki that she would actually like to be a film maker. She is also an amateur model.
 * Maho is Ryusuke's younger half-sister and a talented singer. She is brash but emotionally fragile, and gradually builds a romantic relationship with Koyuki. Beautiful and fairly popular, Koyuki often has a hard time approaching her romantically. While she is obviously a gifted singer, Maho confides in Koyuki that she would actually like to be a film maker. She is also an amateur model.

 * Chiba Tsunemi (千葉 恒美)
 * The main vocalist of Beck, Chiba's vocals are more punk and rap-oriented than Koyuki's and thus more fitting for the majority of Beck's songs. He is easily the most volatile member of Beck, never shying away from a fight or hiding his feelings during dire situations. He is also very good at karate, which he uses in his performances. He originally took up karate because he was bullied severely in his younger days. When not busy with the band, he helps manage his family's ramen shop; he says that if Beck doesn't work out, he would open up a chain of ramen shops. Towards the end of the series, Ryusuke tells him that he should leave the band because he thinks he is not as passionate about music as the rest of the band. He complies, but quickly returns to play with the band. His appearance is based on Rage Against the Machine frontman Zack de la Rocha.
 * The main vocalist of Beck, Chiba's vocals are more punk and rap-oriented than Koyuki's and thus more fitting for the majority of Beck's songs. He is easily the most volatile member of Beck, never shying away from a fight or hiding his feelings during dire situations. He is also very good at karate, which he uses in his performances. He originally took up karate because he was bullied severely in his younger days. When not busy with the band, he helps manage his family's ramen shop; he says that if Beck doesn't work out, he would open up a chain of ramen shops. Towards the end of the series, Ryusuke tells him that he should leave the band because he thinks he is not as passionate about music as the rest of the band. He complies, but quickly returns to play with the band. His appearance is based on Rage Against the Machine frontman Zack de la Rocha.
 * The main vocalist of Beck, Chiba's vocals are more punk and rap-oriented than Koyuki's and thus more fitting for the majority of Beck's songs. He is easily the most volatile member of Beck, never shying away from a fight or hiding his feelings during dire situations. He is also very good at karate, which he uses in his performances. He originally took up karate because he was bullied severely in his younger days. When not busy with the band, he helps manage his family's ramen shop; he says that if Beck doesn't work out, he would open up a chain of ramen shops. Towards the end of the series, Ryusuke tells him that he should leave the band because he thinks he is not as passionate about music as the rest of the band. He complies, but quickly returns to play with the band. His appearance is based on Rage Against the Machine frontman Zack de la Rocha.

 * Taira Yoshiyuki (平 義行)
 * Beck's bassist, Taira is the second member recruited by Ryusuke. Although he can sometimes seem uncaring or apathetic, he is actually the most mature of the band members and often offers helpful advice. He usually performs shirtless, much like the real-life person he is based on: Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. His main live bass is a white Music Man Stingray (a 1993-1996 model as identified from the type of bridge) with 3-band EQ and a trans bridge.
 * Beck's bassist, Taira is the second member recruited by Ryusuke. Although he can sometimes seem uncaring or apathetic, he is actually the most mature of the band members and often offers helpful advice. He usually performs shirtless, much like the real-life person he is based on: Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. His main live bass is a white Music Man Stingray (a 1993-1996 model as identified from the type of bridge) with 3-band EQ and a trans bridge.
 * Beck's bassist, Taira is the second member recruited by Ryusuke. Although he can sometimes seem uncaring or apathetic, he is actually the most mature of the band members and often offers helpful advice. He usually performs shirtless, much like the real-life person he is based on: Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. His main live bass is a white Music Man Stingray (a 1993-1996 model as identified from the type of bridge) with 3-band EQ and a trans bridge.

 * Saitō Ken'ichi (斉藤 研一)
 * Saitou is a perverted middle-aged man and former Olympic swimmer who teaches Koyuki both guitar and swimming in exchange for Koyuki working for his business. Though he can be a demanding instructor, he opens up to Koyuki, even asking him for relationship advice on occasion.
 * Saitou is a perverted middle-aged man and former Olympic swimmer who teaches Koyuki both guitar and swimming in exchange for Koyuki working for his business. Though he can be a demanding instructor, he opens up to Koyuki, even asking him for relationship advice on occasion.
 * Saitou is a perverted middle-aged man and former Olympic swimmer who teaches Koyuki both guitar and swimming in exchange for Koyuki working for his business. Though he can be a demanding instructor, he opens up to Koyuki, even asking him for relationship advice on occasion.

 * Sakurai Yūji (桜井 裕志)
 * Saku is Beck's drummer and the last member to join (along with Koyuki). He first becomes good friends with Koyuki at school, being the only person to talk to him while bully Hyodo instigated the entire class not to do so. He is closer to Koyuki than the other members of the band, and Koyuki often confides in him during moments of self-doubt. Towards the end of the series, he moves away to attend high school, but promises that he will return on the condition that Beck reunites. As Koyuki does reform Beck, he returns, telling the band that he essentially ran away from home to do so.
 * Saku is Beck's drummer and the last member to join (along with Koyuki). He first becomes good friends with Koyuki at school, being the only person to talk to him while bully Hyodo instigated the entire class not to do so. He is closer to Koyuki than the other members of the band, and Koyuki often confides in him during moments of self-doubt. Towards the end of the series, he moves away to attend high school, but promises that he will return on the condition that Beck reunites. As Koyuki does reform Beck, he returns, telling the band that he essentially ran away from home to do so.
 * Saku is Beck's drummer and the last member to join (along with Koyuki). He first becomes good friends with Koyuki at school, being the only person to talk to him while bully Hyodo instigated the entire class not to do so. He is closer to Koyuki than the other members of the band, and Koyuki often confides in him during moments of self-doubt. Towards the end of the series, he moves away to attend high school, but promises that he will return on the condition that Beck reunites. As Koyuki does reform Beck, he returns, telling the band that he essentially ran away from home to do so.

 * Togo (持ち帰り)
 * He is the original drummer of Ryusuke's band Beck. Togo and Ryusuke's were friends later he leaves the band due to some personal reasons; however, he is proud of Ryusuke.
 * He is the original drummer of Ryusuke's band Beck. Togo and Ryusuke's were friends later he leaves the band due to some personal reasons; however, he is proud of Ryusuke.
 * He is the original drummer of Ryusuke's band Beck. Togo and Ryusuke's were friends later he leaves the band due to some personal reasons; however, he is proud of Ryusuke.

Manga
Written and illustrated by Harold Sakuishi, Beck debuted in Kodansha's shōnen manga magazine Monthly Shōnen Magazine in its July 1999 issue. The series finished on April 5, 2008; a special 77-page side-story was published on September 6 of the same year, which depicts the last day of Eddie Lee, a popular American rock musician and Ryusuke's friend. The 103 chapters (including the Eddie Lee special) were collected by Kodansha in 34 tankōbon volumes, released from February 17, 2000, to October 17, 2008.

The manga was licensed for an English-language release by Tokyopop. Tokyopop's German branch published the German-language version. In January 2009, it was announced that Kodansha let all of Tokyopop's German licenses expire, thus including Beck. This subsequently led to Tokyopop's English license of Beck expiring as well. Only 12 volumes were published. In 2018, ComiXology began releasing the series digitally. They released the first fourteen volumes simultaneously on July 5.

Anime
The 26-episode anime television series was titled Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad, after the subtitle used by the band in the series in the United States, and aired on Japan's TV Tokyo from October 2004 to March 2005. It was directed by Osamu Kobayashi, animated by Madhouse and produced by Takeshi Shukuri and Yoshimi Nakajima.

English adaptation
On Saturday, May 27 at Anime Boston 2006, U.S.-based anime distributor Funimation announced that they had acquired the license for the Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad anime. Taliesin Jaffe (known for directing the dub of Hellsing) and Christopher Bevins (known for directing the dubs of Speed Grapher and Samurai 7) are the directors of the English version. The first DVD was released in 2007, and the last in January 2008. The English dub was released by Revelation Films in the UK and Madman Entertainment in Australia and New Zealand.

Beck made its North American television debut on the Canadian music channel, MuchMusic, on March 9, 2007. The series finished on June 3. Despite the fact that this is a shōnen series, the show was rated TV-14 for its language and violence, but the DVD edition is rated TV-MA for strong language, including near-constant use of the word fuck in the first episode and frequently in subsequent episodes. In September 2013, MuchMusic pulled the series and replaced it with Odd Job Jack.

In the English adaptation, many songs were re-recorded with English lyrics. The sung lyrics of some English songs in the anime, such as "Moon on the Water" and "Follow Me", were slightly altered to correct grammar, although the incorrect grammar still appears in the English subtitles. The Beatles' song "I've Got a Feeling" has the lyrics replaced in the American DVDs.

Live-action film
A live-action film adaptation of the Beck manga was announced in 2009, with filming beginning in July. It was produced and directed by Yukihiko Tsutsumi, who has directed manga-to-film adaptations in the past (most notably the 20th Century Boys trilogy). It stars Takeru Satoh as Koyuki, Hiro Mizushima as Ryusuke, Kenta Kiritani as Chiba, Aoi Nakamura as Saku and Osamu Mukai as Taira. The actors were given proper training on their instruments for the 30 original songs that were written for the film.

Beck was released nationwide in movie theaters on September 4, 2010. Red Hot Chili Peppers and Oasis provide the opening and ending theme songs, "Around the World" and "Don't Look Back in Anger" respectively.

Grand Funk Inc. was given the Japan Academy Prize for Outstanding Achievement in Music for its music work in the film. The movie was released on DVD and Blu-ray on February 2, 2011. The DVD came in "standard" and "luxury" editions, with the luxury edition including a bonus DVD.

Soundtracks
In 2002, the manga received a tribute album featuring several different artists. The songs used in the anime that were performed by the character's voice actors with Beat Crusaders were released on a soundtrack in 2002. That same day an album featuring those same songs, but in their original versions, was released. A soundtrack to the live-action movie was released in 2010.

Other media
Action figures of each band member were created, equipped with amplifiers, interchangeable guitars and in the case of Saku, an elaborate drum kit.

On March 31, 2005, Marvelous Interactive released an adventure video game for the PlayStation 2 based on the series, titled Beck: The Game.

Fender Japan produced two signature Beck guitars. A Fender Telecaster, and a Fender Mustang which were both played by Koyuki. The signature is written on the back of the guitars' headstock.

Manga
The series won the 2002 Kodansha Manga Award in the shōnen category. In Japan, it has sold 12 million copies as of April 2008.

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Interesting. . . but one important question this article leaves unanswered is whether this is a functioning puppet theatre & offers shows -- or is it now only a museum? -- llywrch 23:57, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, there's more to come, I just ran out of time today. (short answer so you don't get left in suspense: they're pretty much retired at this point, as the supply of puppeteers has run out)Gzuckier 05:35, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Stony Creek Theatre
Should this article be moved from Stony Creek Puppet House to Stony Creek Theatre? That seems a more all-encompassing name for the article content, particularly since the puppet house is now referenced in the past tense. — WFinch (talk) 17:36, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 00:56, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Exit to Eternal Slacking
No Google hits. -- Curps 23:59, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. No claim to notability, no entry in AMG, 1 Google hit to their name (which seems unrelated). JoaoRicardo 01:40, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. Bart133 (t) 01:55, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable - 1 Google hit unrelated, band vanity. Megan1967 02:29, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable, vanity. jni 13:07, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable vanity... but I notice there is a "T. Holopainen" in this band, just like there is in Nightwish. The Nightwish website doesn't indicate anything about this project, though. --Idont Havaname 00:12, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article provides no evidence of encyclopedic content. Wyss 23:39, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Electronic components that exploit electromagnetic properties such as magnetism and inductance.

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Karl Popper ?
User:Stratofortress has just removed Popper from the list. I am not familiar enough with the matter to rv him, although I did followed here on a trace of his contributions - or rather, substractions. I'd appreciate comment on this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:00, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Bahretal

Bahretal is a municipality in the Sächsische Schweiz-Osterzgebirge district in Saxony, Germany. It is situated in the northeastern foothills of the Ore Mountains, between Bad Gottleuba-Berggießhübel and Dohna. It consists of several small villages, situated in the valleys of the rivers Bahre and Seidewitz as well as on the heights between the valleys.

The municipality is named after the small river Bahre which flows through it. Its source is located 1.5 km north of Breitenau in Bad Gottleuba-Berggießhübel at 505 m. It flows into the Seidewitz near Zuschendorf. In order to prevent flooding, a retention basin was built between Borna-Gersdorf and Friedrichswalde-Ottendorf in 1970.

Municipality subdivisions
Bahretal consists of the following villages:
 * Borna
 * Friedrichswalde
 * Gersdorf
 * Göppersdorf
 * Nentmannsdorf
 * Niederseidewitz
 * Ottendorf
 * Wingendorf

Borna
Borna probably belonged to the castle of Dohna at first. In the beginning of the 15th century it became part of the lands of Schloss Weesenstein. It changed hands quite often, between the owners of Liebstadt, Weesenstein, Gersdorf, Ottendorf, Krebs and Giesenstein in the subsequent years. In 1731, Borna was in the possession of the count Maurice de Saxe. The village church was first mentioned in 1388. It belonged to the parish of Pirna, and after the Reformation was introduced in 1539 to Liebstadt. In 1894, Borna built its own office.

Friedrichswalde
Friedrichswalde belonged to the Schloss Weesenstein. The church was first mentioned in 1311, and belonged to the parish of Pirna.

Gersdorf
Until the 17th century Gersdorf was divided into two villages: Obergersdorf (also: Gabel) and Niedergersdorf. They initially belonged to Dohna, but fell to the Margraves of Dresden. A manor was built in Gersdorf, and an artificial ruin was built around 1800.

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