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Geshe Kelsang Gyatso only Western Disciples?
I removed a false statement stating that all of Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's disciples are Westerners. Geshe Kelsang has many disciples in Eastern countries such as Hong Kong and Singapore. If you need evidence of this fact please visit: [The Hong Kong Kadampa Center Page]

I also removed a false statement stating the the NKT is focused primarily on Western needs. Please show evidence that the NKT states this. Visit [kadampa.org]  you will see that the NKT is Global Buddhism. Not Western Buddhism and not Tibetan Buddhism. Kadampa Buddhism doesn't belong to any particular culture.

Please try to check your facts before making false statements.

I added the text stating that the NKT has over 50 Centers and branches in the United States. If you would like to check the validity of this statement visit [kadampa.org]

Page Title
Perhaps this article would be better titled "Buddhism in the United States". TheCoffee 08:25, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. (can't login right now)

 * My main reason for naming the article Buddhism in America rather than Buddhism in the United States was that I didn't necessarily want to exclude information relating to Canada where relevant. A more precise title might be Buddhism in the English- and French-speaking portions of North America, including Hawaii, although, in practice, I have somewhat limited information about the history of Buddhism in Canada and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot to say about it (since North American Buddhist history is kind of concentrated in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York). I would appreciate it if someone else would add interesting Canada-related facts when possible. Moreover, I think that it is both un-aesthetic and slightly misleading to use the term "United States" when the subject is purely social or cultural, rather than related to politics or civics. - Nat Krause 19:56, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Clarity is what matters. I found this in the Canadian menu and thought it might need retitling Buddhism in the Americas. There is a separate article about Buddhism in Canada. I am going to move this one. CalJW 13:43, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

A couple comments about the current state of the article (basically reiterating what I said on Talk:Buddhism last week): first, the article as it stands is not finished. Close, but not quite. I'm sure there is more that can be said about Tibetan Buddhism in America, so it would be good if anybody can help expand on that subject. Also, there are a few more topics that I intend to address briefly under "trends in American Buddhism" when I get a chance. Second, those editors who actually live in North America might have a chance to take some pictures of Buddhist temples there, which we could add to illustrate the article. In the future, if we get a lot of pictures, we might have to select for quality, but, as of right now, there is plenty of empty space to add lots of pictures. Have at it. - Nat Krause 05:05, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thoreau and the Lotus Sutra
I was going to edit the page, but since I am rather new to Wikipedia and am still learning protocol, I thought I'd try here first. While it has long been a part of American Buddhist lore that Henry David Thoreau translated a section of the Lotus Sutra, Thomas Tweed, in his book, "The American Encounter With Buddhism," cites evidence that seems to show Thoreau was not the early translator of the sutra. Tweed writes that in citing Thoreau as the translator, he, "coneinuted an interpretative tradition that stretches back to 1885, when an article in the "Journal of Speculative Philosophy" by George Willis Cooke identified Thoreau as the translator." He continues, "In 1993, Wendell Piez, a literary scholar and special collections librarian who had repeated the same mistake in print, began wondering. He did more digging and uncovered the error. Elizabeth Palmer Peabody (1804-94), not the author of "Walden," edited and translated that important selection from Buddhist scriptures in 1844" (Preface to the 1992 edition, xvii). So, rather than Thoreau, according to Tweed's sources, it was a pioneering woman rather than Thoreau who first translated the Lotus Sutra into English. It's still a good story. --Ishinomakiben 02:46, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Ishinomakiben: I see that you haven't made any edits since March, so you probably won't see this. However, if you do return to Wikipedia, feel free to fix this kind of stuff directly—if you break it, I'll fix it, but realistically there are others new editors who are much more likely to be disruptive than you. Anyway, I'll go ahead and  make changes to this article as per your comments here. - Nat Krause 04:59, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

First Buddhist High School in the United States
The first Buddhist high school in the United States is not the Pacific Buddhist Academy, which was founded in 2003. Rather, that disctiction belongs to the Developing Virtue Secondary School, in Ukiah, CA - I should know - I've been attending the school, and I know graduates  of the school who graduated in the 1980s - twenty years before the Pacific Buddhist Academy was founded. The website for the school is at www.igdvs.org. The elementary school at the City was founded even earlier, in San Francisco in 1976 and just celebrated their 30th Anniversary last week.

Kungming2 03:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, good info. Thanks. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 19:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment on racism in American Buddhist community
I found the following rather idiotic:

''A variety of ideas have been broached regarding the nature, causes, and significance of this racial uniformity. A key question is the degree of importance ascribed to discrimination, which is suggested to be mostly unconscious, on the part of white converts toward potential minority converts''.

Only the most unaware observer of Asians in America, adherents of several religions including Buddhism, could fail to witness a strong strain of tension with African-Americans in whatever community in the US they live in. The argument isn't that it's the fault of Buddhism but other cultural factors that cause this to occur. It isn't always the 'white man' who's at fault.71.50.13.185 17:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, first off, thanks for beginning your comments with personal insults. That's a sure way to get things going right. Anyway, it's not clear to me what you disagree with here. "A key question is the degree of importance ascribed to discrimination ... on the part of white converts toward potential minority converts." Your answer to this is that it isn't always the white man who's at fault. That's a reasonable answer, but the question is still important.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 22:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * There was no personal attack on anyone in particular, but the tone was harsh I'll admit. Just angry at yet another silly 'it's the white guys fault' speculation and now in regards to Buddhism! While I have criticisms of European descendents who practice Buddhism, I'd suggest that those same adherents are probably not typically practitioners of racial discrimination. I do stand by the comment that I found the blame to be 'suggest to be mostly unconscious, on the part of the white converts...'. The question is indeed important, but to throw out the 'white man' as villian without mentioning the often observed and commented on Asian-American [including Buddhist adherents] hostility towards African-Americans seems selective and dubious.67.183.67.147 04:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I would like to do some work on, and reorganizing of this section. I'm on the fence about the statement quoted above (I'm an African-American buddhist, just to set the record straight):  I think the section is a bit too generalized, with the aforementioned bit a bit more divisive than it needs to be.  However, the racial divide issue is coming up with some regularity in western Buddhist thought and discussion, so it is definitely a valid topic for some elaboration here.

 * It should be noted that SGI is also not without their controversies, so I'd like to get the section as NPOV as possible. I'm pulling source material together, so this may be a gradual and ongoing upgrade.
 * Davidals 02:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Immigrant Buddhist and the Buddhist Churches of America
A couple of things strike me here as particularly relevant:

"The name Buddhist Churches of America was adopted at Topaz Relocation Center in Utah; the use of the word “church”, which normally implies a Christian house of worship, was significant."

First, while it is true that the North American Buddhist Association changed its name to the Buddhist Churches of America while interred during World War II, I think the significance of this is up for debate. Every "temple" that the NABA founded prior to the war was called a "church" because the Hongonji leadership back in Japan would not authorize any building outside of Japan to be called a "temple," (i.e., ji [字]). This has led some scholars who don't hold the views of Prebish, et al, to question where the motivation for the BCA's "Americanization" came from: America? Or Japan? Whose decision was it to call the organization "churches" and why? I think these are important questions that need to be asked when writing about the history of American Buddhism.

"However, since 1980, BCA membership has declined markedly."

Second, in doing research for my dissertation, I've spoken with a handful of BCA ministers who vehemently refute this claim. The reason they believe that members is not declining is because of the manner in which the BCA counts members. Each individual church pays dues to the parent organization based on its number of members. However, very often local churches will undercount their members so as to avoid giving more money to the national organization. Often times, they will refrain from counting senior members who get sizable discounts on membership. So, on paper, it looks like the number of members is declining. But in actuality the number is rather stable, but underreported.

Obviously, I don't have a reference for this as my research is still on-going. But, again, I think when talking about religion in America, and particularly Buddhism, we need to keep in mind how we do the counting. Who's a "Buddhist"? How do we determine membership? And what do these assumption do to the "numbers"? Are the numbers even relevant? and so on.

Djbuddha 21:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Soka Gakkai
The Soka Gakkai section really needs to be cleaned up. Let's start with the first paragraph:

"here is only one Buddhist group in North America which has focused on recruiting converts from among the general public and been successful: Soka Gakkai, a Japan-based society which promotes Nichiren Buddhism."

As an American Buddhist who is not a Soka Gakkai member goes to a pretty much entirely non-Asian temple, I find this to be a bit... shall we say... wrong? In fact, it seems contradictory to the statement in the Tibetan Buddhist section: "Also quite active in the United States is the New Kadampa Tradition (NKT) established by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. An offshoot of the Gelug school founded in the 1990s in the UK, the NKT has over 50 Kadampa (NKT) Buddhist Centers and branches in the United States. Most members of the organization are Westerners..."

It's not just wrong its tone, it's wrong it its facts. I'm deleting this.

The rest of the paragraph reads more like an advertisement for Soka Gakkai than information. It has cites no sources, for example. I'm going to mark it as unsourced.

--Watchreader (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Watchreader. While Most of what's written here re: Soka Gakkai are claims I've seen repeated elsewhere (Buddhadharma or Tricycle magazines, for example) - they still need proper citations for this entry, otherwise, as Watchreader says, this simply reads like an advert for the group. Of course, even when citations are found and added (which I'm sure they will be) - the wording should be changed to reflect that these are "claims" made by S.G. rather than externally verifiable facts. Watchreader makes an excellent point wrt just one of their claims, and how it doesn't quite add up. Jikaku (talk) 12:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Citations for SGI are done - all by books whose authors have scholastic credibility and are not Soka Gakkai members —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redcoltken sn (talk • contribs) 10:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Why is Soka Gakkai under the immigrant Buddhism section? It should be under an export Buddhism section. It is a form of Buddhism thay grows by conversion rather than immigration and is exported from the Japan branch rather than imported in the rest of the world. 2601:D:3582:2C0:A4D4:DA1E:17AF:EA27 (talk) 03:05, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Buddhist population in US
The intro says "...accounting for 0.9% of the US population making it the fourth largest belief-set behind Christianity, Judaism and Nonreligious". This is clearly wrong, since Islam is certainly ahead of Buddhism - see which claims the US Muslim population at between 2.5 and 7 million. 192.118.32.80 (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

- Most Muslims declare their religion. Its very doubtful Islam is undercounted. Muslim organizations tend to overstate their numbers. Actually, Buddhism is undercounted. Most people who practice Buddhism don't declare their religion. Many Buddhist practitioners also practice other faiths or non at all. Many view Buddhism as a philosophy rather than a religion (that's a different issue altogether). Taking these into account, I believe Buddhism is second largest in the US, after Christianity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.243.18 (talk • contribs)

Like it our not that is what the cited survey says, so changing the text to disagree with the source it not a good idea. Especially since this is given further on with the caveat that numbers are hard to get, I will try to put a more general statement in the lead without resorting to weasel words. My guess is that many Muslims would be reluctant to officially declare their religion, given what happened to those who said they were Japanese in 1940, but that is only speculation. Need to apply the usual rules of citing sources. There should be some. Generally this article needs much cleanup, it seems to attracted all sorts of different tidbits. W Nowicki (talk) 23:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, I did a round of editing, removing many peacock words, redundancies, filled out citations, etc. but there are still many unsourced statements and many sources are self-published web sites. Please work to keep the quality up. It might be a good idea for someone who knows the subject matter better to read through and make sure I did not introduce any inaccuracies. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 21:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Separate "Zen in the USA" page
How about splitting the Zen-contents to a separate page, akin to Chinese Chán and Japanese Zen, leaving a summary at this page? The Zen-content is disproportionaly large now. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 14:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Joshua Jonathan. I find the maze of articles on Buddhism confusing and don't think another fork is absolutely necessary. Also where do you derive the section heading "Native American..."? I come from Minnesota where such a title means American Indian. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Susan. I already thought that "Native" was not the correct word; I'm Dutch, so there are subtilities which unfortunately are lost on me... As for the "maze of articles": it's not soemthing that I really deem necessary; it's just personal preference. Though, there is a precedence on the general Zen-article, which became sort of a "portal", with Chinese Chán and Japanese Zen as specific articles. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 19:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Joshua Jonathan, you beat me back here. Sorry about changing my mind. I thought about your suggestion today and decided that you should go for it! "Zen in the USA" seems like a good topic. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh? I'm surprised! By the way, I like your pictures. Rodin at the zazen-page gave me a good laugh. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 04:38, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you go by the name Joshua? Or something else? -SusanLesch (talk) 15:54, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Joshua Jonathan is the nickname. "Jos" once was a nickname at school, and "Jonathan" comes from a comic. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 17:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I might call you "Jos" though! The name of a mathematician I used to know. Your page looks done already. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:48, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Chinese Chan
Ven. Hsuan Hua - regarding the photo.. he died in 1995. So the caption in you article reads Ven. Hsuan Hua in 2010. Please change that. --VenHongyang (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

 * I've updated the thumbnail description. Thanks for pointing this out. Best regards. Tengu800 20:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Charismatic authority
Hi Susan. In inserted the header "charismatic authority" a while ago, to give a more "neutral" header for this section. As far as I know the listing-up of misbehaving teachers has been a point of discussion at other pages. I'm pro mentioning these issues, and even appreciate it that there is a list of misbehaving teachers, but I reckoned that it might be better to have a header which also links this issue to a theoretical background that explains part of the issue. But, of course, that's my opinion, and other views might be acceptable as well. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan (talk) 06:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. I think it looks fine now. If you like you can reinsert the heading. Sorry I don't have any experience with comments on lists, but as long as we adhere to BLP requirements this should be fine because most historical misbehaving is very well known. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:55, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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I think the American Buddhist Movement article can be merged into this one. CoolieCoolster (talk) 01:27, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
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Conversion in Buddhism
I have an issue with the statement, 'Buddhism ...does not require any formal "conversion"'. This statement is totally the opposite of the truth.

I have been discussing this on Quora, where I have 850,000 hits. Some ppls, mostly Hindus, are saying you can't convert to Buddhism. On the contrary, out of all major religions, Buddhism has probably the clearest and most definite process of conversion. You become a Buddhist by taking the Three Refuges three times. This was established by the Buddha.

You can do Buddhist PRACTICES without formal conversion, yes.

The Buddha was also at pains to create a Buddhist monastic order that was clearly separate and defined by the colour of robes. He gave very definite instructions on this, and very clear instructions as to how he was to be worshipped and how his relics were to be entombed and treated.

On Quora you also find ridiculous statements such as 'the Buddha said he was just a man'. On the contrary, Buddha denied being a human being. The process of becoming a Buddha completely changes the body. For example, Buddha specified that the remains of his meals were to be thrown into water without any life, so that animals, birds and fish could not eat it. This is because such remnants would be fatal to them. When his leftovers were thrown into water, it was said to have bubbled and hissed. This is in the most original, early texts. Does this sound like a human being?

I don't see any way that I can edit the introduction. I suggest the following change:

___________

Out of all religions, Buddhism has perhaps the clearest process of formal conversion, established directly by the Buddha. To become a Buddhist, one takes the Three Refuges three times from a member of the monastic sangha or a senior layperson.

But one does not have to be a Buddhist to do Buddhist practices, such as meditation and chanting. In fact, Buddhism encourages people, whatever their faith, culture, or background, to do Buddhist practices. Therefore, American Buddhists can easily incorporate Dharma practice into their normal routines and traditions.

____________

Please excuse me not adding this to the Contents index. I don't know how to do so.

LATER EDIT: I now see how to change the introduction, and have made the change I suggested.

LATER EDIT: Joshua Jonathan, you have undone my edit to both the Buddhism in the USA and the Buddhism page, but you haven't discussed it or said why.

I am an authorised teacher in the Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana and Western academic traditions. Ven. Abbot Chao Khun Suviraya authorised me for Theravada, Ven. Abbot Tan authorised me for Mahayana, Ven. Changling Rinpoche authorised me for Vajrayana, and Dr. Peter Masefield MPTS authorised me for academia; I am also a personal friend of the noted Buddhist academic Professor Geoffrey Samuel, Professor Emeritis of Religious Studies at Cardiff University. I have studied for more than fifty years under more than eighty of the most respected and revered teachers in the world, of the Theravada, Vajrayana, Dzogs-chen and Academic traditions, and respected national teachers from Mahayana - Tien Tai and Zen. My Buddhist knowledge is taken very seriously by internationally respected teachers such as Sogyal Rinpoche, Namkhai Nortbu Rinpoche, and Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche. I have also guest-lectured in Buddhism for the Religious Studies Department at Sydney University.

The fact is that it is just plain wrong to say that Buddhism doesn't have a formal conversion process. It very much does. If you have taken the refuges you are Buddhist; if you haven't taken them, you are not.

I have restored my edits and if you want to change them back, I'd appreciate discussion, please.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Indigocat (talk • contribs) 15:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

 * You're surely an unique phonomenon with so many authorisations, but here at Wikipedia you'll have to stick to WP:VERIFIABILITY and WP:RS. And the WP:LEAD summarizes the article. Joshua Jonathan  - Let's talk!  03:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The Abbott of EVERY traditional Buddhist Temple worldwide would agree that Taking Refuge constitutes conversion to Buddhism, Joshua. That you do not know this gives some indication of how little, if any, actual face-to-face teaching you have had on Buddhism.  In the Pali Canon there are literally THOUSANDS of such instances. For example you may check the Kalama Sutta: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.065.than.html
 * '"Magnificent, lord! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to show the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has the Blessed One — through many lines of reasoning — made the Dhamma clear. We go to the Blessed One for refuge, to the Dhamma, and to the Sangha of monks. May the Blessed One remember us as lay followers who have gone to him for refuge, from this day forward, for life."
 * https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.31.0.nara.html
 * Or the Sigalovadda Sutta https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.31.0.nara.html:
 * "I take refuge, Lord, in the Buddha, the Dhamma, and the Sangha. May the Exalted One receive me as a lay follower; as one who has taken refuge from this very day to life's end."
 * Scholars consider these two texts to be among the most authentic in the Pali Canon. Although others schools highlight later texts, they all agree on the authenticity of the Pali Canon.
 * Or, in fact, Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refuge_in_Buddhism
 * 'Taking refuge is a form of aspiration to lead a life with the Triple Gem at its core... taking refuge is an expression of determination to follow the Buddha's path...Refuge is common to all major schools of Buddhism.'
 * 'In 1880, Henry Steel Olcott and Helena Blavatsky became the first known Westerners of the modern era to receive the Three Refuges and Five Precepts, which is the ceremony by which one traditionally become Buddhist.'(reference given)
 * You will note that this page includes no edits whatsoever by me.
 * I don't give references to books ABOUT Buddhism as all of my teaching has been oral. Sogyal Rinpoche told me not to read such books.  The content of his own book, 'The Tibetan book of Living and dying', the best-selling book about Buddhism ever written, with 2 1/2 million sales, I received personally in lectures from him for three weeks a year for twelve years. In fact I was one of the transcribers of these lectures, used in the book! But you could try:
 * https://www.amazon.com/Refuge-Vow-Sakyong-Mipham-Rinpoche/dp/1550550217:
 * The Refuge Vow: A Sourcebook by Chögyam Trungpa (this name is from Goodreads, but it's the same book)
 * 'The Refuge Vow: A Sourcebook is a compilation of commentaries and traditional text excerpts on the Buddhist Refuge Vow by various teachers including Chögyam Trungpa, Sakyong Mipham, Tsoknyi Rinpoche and Thrangu Rinpoche, among others. A valuable resource for both those preparing to take the vow, and for teachers of Buddhism.'
 * I have read this and it does fully confirm what I say.
 * Yes, it is unusual for a person to have such wide variety of Buddhist Education.  This is why I have mentioned names with whom you may check personally: Ven. Chao Khun Suviraya, Dr. Geoffrey Samuel, and Changling Rinpoche. Probably easiest for you to check would be Dr. Minh Li, the Australian Contact for Changling Rinpoche: minlchong@yahoo.com.au.  If you want to check that this is really her email, you can look up Dr. Min Li Chong in the Melbourne Directory and call her at her surgery. Ven. Phuoc Tan Thich, Abbott of Quang Minh Temple, Melbourne, knows my history not too badly, wants me to teach Advanced Buddhism at his temple and to his students,  and may be contacted at phuoctan@gmail.com.  If you want to verify that this really is Ven. Tan's email, I suggest you call Quang Minh Temple during business hours, whose number appears on their Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/quangminhtemplemelbourne/ and can be verified in the Melbourne Phone Book.
 * It is on my mind to ask, 'What are your qualifications? Who has authorised you as a qualified Buddhist teacher?  Please give your references (multiple) for your statement that Buddhism has no conversion process, which is in clear contradiction to the quotes I have given above?'
 * In talking to trolls and others who disseminate ignorance and disinformation, I have found them all too anxious to question my qualifications and references, and all too unwilling to give their own. 122.148.209.16 (talk) 11:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S. They know me not under my pen name, Thomas Kent, but my real name, Geoff Byng. If you want to check this, I suggest you message me on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thomas.kent1/ 122.148.209.16 (talk) 11:40, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Infobox adding
I want to add a infobox in the article. Can I add a infobox? Rojer Aurther (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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User:Reallyboring

I'm a fourth year political science student at the University of Chicago. Most of my edits have something to do with the school I attend, or the neighborhood it's in, although I hope to branch out eventually, time allowing. Feel free to visit my web site at

http://reallyboring.net

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Talk:Utah Constitutional Amendment 3

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shakeria williams

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I do not find this notable enough to put at the end of the page, but the updated statistics are from Yahoo! News: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=2288&inc=i_g_ut_1_48530_1.shtml. Iamunknown (Talk) 08:33, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actual amendment text
We have a page on a legal debate here without any link to the actual text of the amendment. Where is it - surely it is online somewhere?

 * This article lacks sources and the claims made in the article should be linked to verifable sources. Please include sources for all claims made in this article especially in the controversy section. Whenever an article of a controversial nature is included in Wikipedia the article should conform to Wikipedia's Reliability, Verifiability, and NPOV policy. Inclusion of sources for controversial information negate the need to remove the information as a result of it being controversial. Edward Lalone 05:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Utah Constitutional Amendment 3 → Utah Amendment 3 –
 * per refs. WP:PRECISION and WP:COMMONNAME 82.132.228.222 (talk) 21:01, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Not at all sure about this one.  Titles should be clear enough that the reader has a vague idea (at least) of what they should expect.  To me, Utah Amendment 3 suggests that it is an article about the third change to the boundaries of the state.  The existing title is self-explanatory.  Skinsmoke (talk) 02:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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Akamaru Island

Akamaru is the third largest island in the Gambier Islands of French Polynesia. It is a small, rocky island with an area of approximately 2.6 km2. The island is located approximately 7 km southeast of Mangareva, which is the largest island of the whole Gambier Islands archipelago. Akamaru's highest point rises to an elevation of 247 m.

The first European to arrive was the navigator James Wilson in 1797. In 1834, the French missionary Honoré Laval celebrated the first Mass on the island. The church of Notre-Dame de la Paix was built between 1835 and 1862. People from Mangareva sometimes visit to maintain the church and pick oranges in season. According to the 2012 census, there are 22 inhabitants.

The much smaller island of Mekiro is located just off (about 100 m) Akamaru's northwestern shore.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Farrah

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. Deathphoenix 02:23, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Farrah
Notability questionable. See Lojinx and/or Votes for deletion/Lojinx--ZayZayEM 08:37, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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 * Redirect to Farrah Fawcett, the most notable Farrah and probably the only Farrah anyone will be searching for. Mike H 10:35, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it, and a redirect would be unhelpful in any case. Wyss 11:15, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep; albums released in the UK, US and Japan. Kappa 14:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic, website advertisement. Megan1967 01:14, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. The band has released two records in the UK, Europe and Japan on Miles Copeland's independent Ark 21 label. Has toured Japan in December and will tour France in March. Qualifies under Wikimusic guidelines. A Google search for "Farrah" band comes up with just under 64,800 hits. I hope to rewrite this expandingthe article. 1. Capitalistroadster 09:48, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * PS. Seems like we need an article on Miles Copeland who used to manage The Police. Capitalistroadster 10:45, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'll take Capitalistroadster's word on this band, which I don't know, but this substub sure doesn't make it clear why they'd be notable. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:42, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Amazon.com sells their albums. That makes them notable enough for me. Foobaz · ✐  02:49, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knife hand

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. 4 Delete / 3 Keep / 3 Redirect. No consensus. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:50, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Not counting last vote. 3 delete.  Still no consensus. -- AllyUnion (talk) 14:54, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Knife hand
Doesn't seem notable. A search for "Choi Bae-Dal" "knife hand" on Google gets 2 results. A search for simple Knife hand gets 24,400-- likely almost none relating to this article. TheCoffee 08:37, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as anecdote, unverified and unencyclopedic. See below. Wyss 11:12, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Excuse me, but you have to do a little more than bang a few words into Google and give a cursory glane at the results! I knew nothing about him 10 minutes ago, but have already discovered that Choi Bae-Dal (745 Google hits by the way, pretty well all for him) lived from 1922-94 in Korea and Japan.  His real name was Masutatsu Oyama, and he was a top proponant of martial arts techniques.  "In 1950, Sosai (the founder) Mas Oyama started testing (and demonstrating) his power by fighting bulls. In all, he fought 52 bulls, three of which were killed instantly, and 49 had their horns taken off with knife hand blows" There were famous Korean comic books written about his life some thirty years ago, and the fourth largest grossing movie in Korea last year was "Fighter in the Wind", Choi Bae-Dal's life story.  TheCoffee and Wyss say he "Doesn't seem notable" and "anecdote, unverified and unencyclopedic".  I don't think so, guys!   Having said all this, the article is brief and poorly written, but that just makes it a stub.  I could live with a (new) artcle on Masutatsu Oyama/Choi Bae-Dal with a re-direct from Knife hand, but otherwise keep this, and it will get sorted sometime. HowardB 15:42, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Choi Bae-Dal is notable, but I don't think knife hand is article-worthy in his context. If there was a Choi Bae-Dal article, I would recommend the information here be merged there. Also, if "knife hand" is article worthy, it probably shouldn't be under that name, as the term "knife hand" is more commonly used to mean either a taekwondo block or the hand of someone using a knife. TheCoffee 20:18, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 01:12, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. The plot thickens....  It appears we already have a Masutatsu Oyama article (this is Choi Bae-Dal's more usual name, it turns out).  So I have put a redir from Choi Bae-Dal.  Then, we have a Kyokushin article (this is a style of karate that Oyama/Choi developed -- now HUGE worldwide).  In here, we have a better life of Oyama than in the main article!   Also, the Masutatsu Oyama article appears to be a straight lift from Exsudo.com.  So, when I have some time, I propose to:
 * merge what little there is in knife hand into Masutatsu Oyama and redirect
 * take the life of Oyama piece from Kyokushin and merge it into Masutatsu Oyama (and put a prominent "See also" link into Kyokushin
 * fix possible copyvio problem in Masutatsu Oyama
 * Why do I get my self into these things! Any objections?  HowardB 02:24, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * As the one who put the on the article in the first place, that's fine by me.  Keep pending Cleanup by HowardB. Exsudo.com is a copy of Wikipedia, not vice versa, by the way.  Uncle G 13:52, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification on who copied who. I'll work on it tomorrow HowardB 15:27, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Martial arts moves/techniques should be included. — Brim 12:42, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect (no merge) to Strike (attack). "Knife hand strike" is the proper term for what's more commonly called a "karate chop".   — Gwalla | Talk 00:24, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Gwalla. —Korath (Talk) 12:16, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect (no merge). Having looked at Strike (attack) and a few other martial atrs sites, I concur with what Gwalla and Korath suggest.  If that is the agreed outcome, I would still go ahead and
 * take the life of Oyama piece from Kyokushin and merge it into Masutatsu Oyama (and put a prominent "See also" link into Kyokushin) (see above).
 * The other two action points I made up there are/would be moot. HowardB 02:05, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, not an encyclopaedic article. JamesBurns 07:27, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heptacontagon

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:51, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Heptacontagon
VfD tag was added by Jok2000, but they didn't finish the job. Xezbeth 08:40, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Unless I'm missing something, the only thing notable about a 70-gon is the name, which is already mentioned in polygon. --MarkSweep 08:55, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Apply whatever decision comes out of Enneacontakaienneagon et al. Gazpacho 08:57, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete like the others, else someone'll define a 70-piece orchestra as a heptacontet. Wyss 11:11, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Faulty thinking, Wyss. Orchestras named with the -et suffix are named with Latin numerical prefixes, not Greek numerical prefixes. Georgia guy 16:36, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete or move to Wiktionary. Personally, I favor the latter. -- EmperorBMA|話す 14:35, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or move to Wiktionary - best the latter --Brookie 16:34, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary. Megan1967 01:10, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wiktionary and delete. And a bonus point to Georgia guy for the orchestral naming convention.  Barno 01:15, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and don't transwiki, it says nothing special about this one and there are an infinite number of them. Kappa 06:31, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with 70 (number). — RJH 20:20, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * God. Not these again. TransWiki to Wiktionary, I think. Trip: The Light Fantastic 20:57, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wiktionary. JamesBurns 07:31, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Nikhilbandale

WELCOME TO NIKHIL BANDALE'S TALKPAGE. ANY AMOUNT OF COMMENT IS WELCOME. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MAIL ME AT nikhilbandale@indiatimes.com  THANK YOU FOR NOT TRYING TO VANDALIZE MY TALK PAGE

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Calabasas High School

Calabasas High School is a four-year high school in Calabasas, California, United States.

Calabasas High School, which serves Calabasas, Bell Canyon, and portions of West Hills, Los Angeles, is one of three high schools in the Las Virgenes Unified School District (along with Agoura High School and Indian Hills High School in Agoura Hills).

As of the 2014–15 school year, the school had an enrollment of 1,824 students and 65.4 classroom teachers (on an FTE basis), for a student–teacher ratio of 27.9:1. There were 103 students (5.6% of enrollment) eligible for free lunch and 26 (1.4% of students) eligible for reduced-cost lunch.

History
Calabasas High School was established in 1975 as the second high school in the Las Virgenes Unified School District.

During the 2006–07 school year Calabasas High School was recognized with the Blue Ribbon School Award of Excellence by the United States Department of Education, the highest award the Department of Education gives.

The school plays its football games at Keith Ritchie Field, an open-air stadium located in Calabasas, California, with a capacity of approximately 3,000. The stadium is the home of the Coyotes – Calabasas High School's football, track and field and soccer teams. It was also formerly the home field for the USL Premier Development League club, the San Fernando Valley Quakes.

The Calabasas High School Theater Program performs in the Performing Arts Education Center. The center opened in 2013. The $18 million building was funded through Measure G, which passed in 2006. The Performing Arts Education Center was designed by architect John Sergio Fisher. The mainstage theater seats 680 people. There is a black box theater in the facility that seats 100 people. The Performing Arts Education Center has won numerous design awards, including a 2012 AIA / SFV Award for Design Excellence and a 2011 Los Angeles Business Council Architectural Award.

Notable alumni

 * Shiri Appleby (born 1978), actress known for her roles in Swimfan, Roswell, and UnReal
 * Elizabeth Berkley actress
 * Jermaine Burton (born 2001), wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals
 * Ezra Butler (born 1984), professional football player
 * Katie Cassidy (born 1986), actress
 * Omer Fedi (born 2000), Israeli guitarist, songwriter and producer
 * Michelle Fields (born 1988), Fox News reporter
 * Amanda Fink (born 1986, class of 2005), tennis player
 * Danielle Fishel (born 1981, class of 1999), actress
 * Gaby Hoffmann (born 1982), actress
 * Darnay Holmes (born 1998), professional football player with the New York Giants
 * Incubus: Brandon Boyd, Mike Einziger, Jose Pasillas and formerly Dirk Lance
 * Jensen Karp (born 1979), author, rapper, television writer
 * Ethan Josh Lee (born 2001), actor
 * Julia Lester (born 2000), actress
 * Erik Menéndez (born 1970), of the Menendez brothers, convicted of killing their parents
 * Jim Rome (born 1964, class of 1982), television and radio host
 * Ricky Schroder (born 1970), actor
 * Doug Simons (born 1966), MLB player (New York Mets, Montreal Expos)
 * Daniel Steres (born 1990), professional soccer player with the LA Galaxy
 * Johnny Wilson (born 2001), wide receiver for the Philadelphia Eagles

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Streptococcus salivarius

Streptococcus salivarius is a species of spherical, gram-positive, facultative anaerobic lactic acid bacteria that is both catalase and oxidase negative. S. salivarius colonizes (usually in chains) the oral cavity and upper respiratory tract of humans just a few hours after birth, making further exposure to the bacteria harmless in most circumstances. The bacterium is considered an opportunistic pathogen, rarely finding its way into the bloodstream, where it has been implicated in cases of sepsis in people with neutropenia, (a deficiency in white blood cells).

S. salivarius has distinct characteristics when exposed to different environmental nutrients. For example, in the laboratory, if a growth medium is used that includes sucrose then S. salivarius is able to use the sucrose to produce a capsule around itself. However, if sucrose is replaced by glucose as on a GYC (glucose, yeast extract, calcium carbonate) plate, S. salivarius is unable to make a capsule from the glucose.

More importantly, in the laboratory, S. salivarius can show a distinct clearing on GYC plates. This is because S. salivarius can ferment the glucose yielding lactic acid. Next, the lactic acid reacts with the calcium carbonate in the GYC plate, resulting in zones of clearings on the plate.

Role as a probiotic
Some strains of S. salivarius are being trialed for their use as a probiotic in the prevention of oral infections. Some strains of S. salivarius are found to produce BLIS (Bacteriocin-like Inhibitory Substances) which are antimicrobial peptides. These peptides display interspecies inhibition, and inhibit Streptococcus pyogenes (which causes strep throat infections). Lozenges containing S. salivarius are marketed to support immunity against more virulent Streptococcus strains. People with this strain of naturally occurring S. salivarius on their tongue have been shown to have fewer Strep throat infections. This is also being investigated for its potential to prevent rheumatic heart disease which is also caused by S. pyogenes.

Agglutination of Streptococcus salivarius is often used in the diagnosis of atypical pneumonia caused by Haemophilus influenzae

Subspecies
Streptococcus thermophilus was originally described as a subspecies of this entry, Streptococcus salivarius subsp. thermophilus. It has since been promoted to the species rank. The FastANI metric used by GTDB concurs with this decision.

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Wikipedia talk:Assume good faith

Requested move 25 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 04:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Assume good faith → Assume good intentions – As both @Czar and @WhatamIdoing have discussed above, the title (and some of the article's content) is phrased in a way which is unintuitive, leading users to apply it incorrectly or interpret it as meaning "assume blind faith". Some users mistakenly believe "good faith" means we should assume all users are performing due diligence in regard to reviewing sources when adding or removing information. As Czar has said, other users interpret it as "I do not have access to the source so I 'assume good faith'". I believe the title change and a correction in phrasing can go a long way in improving understanding. –  Primium  (talk) 02:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Comment - I also believe there should be a section that clearly explains what WP:GF is not, but I'm unsure what the process is for making content changes to these pages. –  Primium  (talk) 02:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The title is not the issue. -- LCU A ctively D isinterested  «@» °∆t° 03:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree. @Primium's suggestion of a "what WP:GF is not" section looks like something that would actually make a difference. I encourage them to be bold and start it. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 04:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you perhaps have some insight on what the issue might be? I feel the article is clear, so I assume the misunderstandings come from reading only the title. –  Primium  (talk) 19:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the issue this stems from, is the opposite of what you believe it to be. Changing policy over a disagreement with an editor of the interpretation of that policy isn't a good starting point. -- LCU A ctively D isinterested  «@» °∆t° 19:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I read - or, perhaps, misread - ActivelyDisinterested's post as saying "changing the title is not the solution." I think the issue is as you described, people misunderstanding what "assume good faith" means. If we change the title then people will misunderstand what "Assume good intent" means. Better to have a "GF is not" section that editors can link to when other editors stray from the True Meaning of GF. - 15:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC) Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I support this as potentially helpful. It may not solve all the confusion, but it should help a little bit.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This has been AGF for a long, long time, AGF this and AGF that, we've heard it a thousand times or more, and now it should be changed to AGI? AGF is an integral part of many WP discussions and is linked at the five pillars. Must agree that the improvements that may be needed in the content do not mean the title needs to be altered.  P.I. Ellsworth  , ed.  put'er there 04:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this driven by pragmatic considerations, or is it more of an appeal to tradition? I don't have strong opinions on the matter, just curious about the underlying reasons and looking for ways to improve misunderstandings. –  Primium  (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes and yes. It's practical because thousands of editors know this by its long-standing name, plus the project pagename reflects precisely what is meant, which is that editors, when prone to think an editor might be acting in bad faith, should always "assume good faith" at least until bad faith is without a doubt purveyed. I believe I've already covered the tradition aspect, as well as how any page content needs do not require a title alteration. Thank you for asking!  P.I. Ellsworth  , ed.  put'er there 21:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose ....a long, long time, per (who lost his 'aine' after the mod [admin] thing). But yes, this is Wikipedia's familiar and long-term name for the term which, like IAR, is known beyond Wikipedia as one of the basic rules of trust and civility. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * To : finally figured out the "aine" part. I don't know what "after the mod thing" means.  P.I. Ellsworth  , ed.  put'er there 15:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I meant "admin", from the admin nom. Maybe it's just me, but I used to like seeing your full "Paine Ellsworth" autograph-reminiscent signature. I assume you changed it in good faith (and good intentions). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. - The Master of Hedgehogs (always up for a conversation!) 18:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Neutral. 123957a (talk) 09:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. If we move it, that's gonna cause a lot of problems. Brennan Everette (🗣 | ⏳) 13:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose. "Assume good faith" is one of Wikipedia's five main pillars, and it has also always been referred to as "Assume good faith". Instead of solving confusion, this will multiply it (exponentiate it even, if you will). Why would it be changed because of a minor misunderstanding, if trying to solve it would create far more of it? "Good faith" also does not even sound bad. People with a decent understanding of English will understand what it means by this. What is this username? (talk) 10:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't believe this move would solve any issues (since all policies get misapplied sometimes), but moving it certainly would create new issues. VQuakr (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 * . Oppose "Assume good faith" is a widely recognized and established term within the Wikipedia community. Changing the title to "Wikipedia:Assume good intentions" may not fully address the underlying issue of misinterpretation. Users may still apply the concept incorrectly, regardless of the specific wording used. Also, "good faith" is a legal and ethical term that carries a specific connotation of trust and belief in the sincerity of others' actions, which may not be fully captured by the term "good intentions."
 * Instead of renaming the page, efforts be made to clarify the existing content and provide additional guidance on the correct application of the principle of assuming good faith. This could include updating the article's content to provide examples and explanations that help users understand the intended meaning behind "assume good faith."Ⓒ𝕝乇тᵉⓇ (α ɯσɾԃ?) 01:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per User:What is this username?. JeffSpaceman (talk) 23:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Your argument is not valid. Ⓒ𝕝乇тᵉⓇ (α ɯσɾԃ?) 00:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Please be civil. How is my argument invalid? I am agreeing with User:What is this username? above, who provided a solid argument as to why this page should not be moved. What's invalid about that? JeffSpaceman (talk) 03:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Looking for your opinion on why I deleted my edit
I just found out that 294 characters for Copyright in South Korea were deleted from Literature document. I think the content is reliable enough because the source was accurately indicated. Bunsik (talk) 13:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I see that the explanation for the revert is not "copyright" but "unsourced." Take a look at WP:YANARS. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Request for input regarding assuming good faith in a talk page dispute
There is a discussion and dispute regarding addressing a talk page post by an ip that may or may not be trolling or a legitimate request. Your input at User talk:Thinker78 is requested; cordial, objective input is welcome. I have to point out that I am not forum shopping. If I don't publicize the discussion in a few different relevant venues I don't get much general uninvolved community input, which is desirable to provide additional insights instead of only localized discussion which may not even properly clarify things. Per WP:SEEKHELP, Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 01:28, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 * You've got three admins giving you advice and you have been told you'll be blocked if you continue enabling trolls. So that's really the end of it. If you think all the admins are wrong you probably need to go to WP:AN. Bon courage (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bon courage The end of it will be determined by the community not you, an involved editor who was using uncivil language. Thanks. Thinker78  (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The community has spoken (I now count three admins and four non-admins). It's just you are forum shopping rather than WP:HEARing the message. My advice is to drop this and do something more gainful, as the road you are on is unlikely to lead to a good place. Bon courage (talk) 02:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

1. The suggestion that a centralized discussion about project policy should take place on a user's talk page is just, bizarre. 2. This user has a history of waging pitched battles over the reversion of IP editors' troll-like comments, going back nearly 2 years, e.g. here. It may behoove the project to discuss an editing restriction once the current block expires. Zaathras (talk) 04:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Quite apart from anything else, this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Assume good faith page. So an editor raising a conduct grievance here is off-topic & disruptive. Suggest close. Bon courage (talk) 04:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2024
remove ''"WP:AFG" redirects here. For the Afghanistan WikiProject, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan.'' because WP:AFG no longer redirects to WP:AGF. 96.64.248.125 (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ — WP:AFG's target was erroneously changed and should still direct here. It's been fixed, now. Thank you for bringing it up. –  Primium  (talk) 22:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:AGF is an oversimplification which prevents many useful things from happening and causes some bad things to happen
WP:AGF is an oversimplification which prevents improvements in various areas. It presumes that there are only two possibilities: In reality, most editors are somewhere in between. Their edits are somewhat influenced by biases, advocacies, politics and other things. Yet, whenever someone addresses this issue on policy in general, or in an individual cases where a preponderance of evidence says that they are exhibiting these (no big deal) "only human" traits, whoever brings it up is accused of violating WP:AGF and of making a severe accusation. They are supposed to assume the often-unrealistic incorrect ideal of #1 unless they are building an ANI type case (e.g. building a case with diffs) alleging a severe violation. And so contrary to it's ideals, wp:AGF is commonly weaponized or used contrary to it's goals. And useful discussions on the above "no big deal/only human" issues are prevented. IMO we should evolve this in a more realistic direction that acknowledges these realities. North8000 (talk) 15:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) A ideal editor, where the only influence on their editing is the objectives of Wikipedia
 * 2) A "bad faith" editor, who does "bad faith" editing. Not specific on what that is, but it's clearly really bad.

 * I'm wondering whether the pushback "whenever someone addresses this issue" arises because the addressing is framed as "you are biased [or being political]" rather than "your edit does not provide a neutral point of view." - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The gentle cases of expressing concern (e.g. about biased participation when such is evident) generally don't occur because of this guideline. Regarding when wp:AGF is actually invoked, IMO the most common reason is that there is already a tussle going on and WP:AGF is a handy weapon to gain advantage in that tussle. North8000 (talk) 16:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * A common version is accusations of left-wing bias. That particular version of assuming bad faith violates NPA by invoking an editor's political persuasion to undermine them and dismiss their editing. It is covered by some of the principles explained here: Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias (which is linked in Talk:Donald Trump #61. It's a nasty application of poisoning the well. It's best kept away from article talk pages and reserved for user talk pages and, when justified, with diffs in reports on drama boards.
 * It also reveals an ignorance of sourcing requirements, and how, because there is a paucity of right-wing reliable sources for political topics, there will naturally be a seeming "overuse" of left-wing sources, simply because the right wing has become radicalized, moved far to the right, and thus abandoned the field of accurate coverage to the left-wing sources. Very few right-wing sources are left that are moderate and reliable.
 * It is sourcing, not editors, that create the left-wing bias in articles, and that bias is factual, not just left-wing opinion. This is related to the fact that "Reality has a well known liberal bias" (Stephen Colbert) and that "Facts Have a Well-Known Liberal Bias" (Paul Krugman). Right-wing editors who fight to RGW make attempts to "neutralize" such content so it's NPOV, but they thus reveal their lack of understanding of NPOV, neutrality, and factual reporting. They want to create a false balance.
 * Proving another editor has political POV is nonsensical. We all have them, and honesty and openness, unlike sneakily hiding one's POV, should not be punished. On the contrary. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 16:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where this came from. My main point was common weaponization of wp:AGF, and my "only human" comments/examples were not focused on any particular area including the one that is the topic of your post. North8000 (talk) 15:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As you point out, we're all biased about almost everything to some extent. That bias becomes "evident" when an edit fails the NPOV test. Expressing gentle concern about another editor's bias is likely to be counterproductive - shifting the discussion from whether an edit presents a NPOV to whether another editor is excessively biased (compare No personal attacks). Precisely the sort of outcome AGF is designed to prevent.
 * As AGF (slightly edited) says "it is usually best to address the conduct without mentioning motives biases, which might intensify resentments all around." - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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Taravai

Taravai is the second largest island in the Gambier Islands archipelago of French Polynesia, at 5.7 km2. Taravai is about 1.5 km southwest of Mangareva, the largest island of the whole Gambier group, and about 300 m north of the island of Angakauitai. Off its eastern shore lies the tiny rock Îlot Motu-o-ari.

The village named Agonoko is located near the main bay on the island's eastern shore. It has a population of 9. Former villages were Aga-nui (northwest) and Agakau-i-uta (southeast).

The Onemea archaeological site suggests sporadic occupation of the island around AD 950 with a possible continuous settlement since the 13th century.

Before the conversion to Christianity, the king of Taravai was a vassal to the king of Rikitea in Mangareva.

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Ed Cowan

Edward James McKenzie Cowan (born 16 June 1982) is an Australian former cricketer, who played domestically mainly for New South Wales and Tasmania as a left handed opening batsman. In March 2018, he announced his retirement from first-class cricket.

Domestic career
Cowan attended Tudor House School in Moss Vale and Cranbrook School in Bellevue Hill where he played in the school 1st XI aged only 14, and scored 218 not out, and went on to the under-17 New South Wales championships. While in Year 12 he was selected to play for the Australian under 19s side to tour Sri Lanka. He played for the University of Sydney Cricket Club and made his debut for NSW in 2005.

In 2009, Cowan joined the Tasmanian Tigers where a successful season saw him score 225 vs South Australia in his first game at home. This was followed on by two other centuries at Bellerive Oval and a successful Ford Ranger Cup premiership. In 2011 Cowan published a book, his diary of the 2010/2011 Sheffield Shield season entitled In the Firing Line.

2017–18 season
Cowan played every match for New South Wales in the 2017–18 JLT One-Day Cup. His best performance of the tournament came against Tasmania when he came in late in the innings to score an unbeaten 51 runs off 32 balls, including five fours and a six. At the end of the tournament he was controversially left out of New South Wales' side for the first match of the Sheffield Shield in favour of the younger Daniel Hughes despite being the top run-scorer of the entire tournament in the previous season. Australian captain Steve Smith took responsibility for the decision saying that he wanted to see more of Hughes as he felt Hughes had the potential to become an international player for Australia.

International career
Cowan was selected for Australia A in June 2010 to play Sri Lanka, where he scored a century in a convincing series win.

Cowan made his Test cricket debut for Australia in the 2011 Boxing Day Test against India. His selection followed a season in which, to that point, he had averaged 64.22 in first class matches. His baggy green cap was presented by Dean Jones. Against India he became the 18th Australian opening batsman to score a half-century (68) on debut. He played in all four Tests of the series, opening the batting with David Warner. Australia won the series 4–0; over the four Tests Cowan scored 206 runs at an average of 34.33, including another half-century (74) in Perth. Cowan had less fortune in the Tour of the West Indies later that year, scoring only a half century.

His maiden Test century came on 12 November 2012, a year to the day after the death of his mentor and former teacher Peter Roebuck; Cowan dedicated the century to Roebuck's memory. Cowan was criticised after being unable to follow up with another century in the remaining tests against South Africa. Cowan finished the series with 228 runs in five innings, these included the debut test ton and a half century in the last match at the WACA.

Cowan had a bad start to the series against Sri Lanka making 4 on his home turf in the first innings. Cowan made sure he did not have another failure in the second innings by posting 56 in an opening stand worth 132 with partner David Warner.

Cowan scored 86 runs off 238 deliveries in Mohali during the Australian's tour of India. During this innings, Cowan and fellow opener David Warner achieved the highest opening partnership for Australia in India, with 139 runs. In the fourth Test, Cowan scored 38 before being bowled by Ravichandran Ashwin. Finishing the series as the second highest run scorer and one of the few bright spots for Australia at the end of a losing tour, Cowan was selected for the Ashes Tour of England that followed. He played one match in the losing series, scoring 0 and 14 in each innings in what subsequently turned out to be his final appearance for the national team.

Personal life and education
Cowan is married to Australian television and radio presenter Virginia Lette. Virginia gave birth to their first child, a daughter, Romy, in August 2012.

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, Cowan "has a commerce degree, written a warts-and-all diary about life as a cricketer, grows his own vegetables, immerses himself in novels, and appreciates modern art and loves music."

When he was called from the SCG Members bar in 2005 to field as the 13th man for Australia against Pakistan for five minutes, he refused to keep the gear he was offered because Cowan did not believe he deserved it. Then, when NSW prematurely presented him with his baggy blue after he was picked as 12th man for the state's one-day team, he marched into Cricket NSW boss Dave Gilbert's office and handed it back, saying he would accept it when he was entitled to wear the cap.

He has faced difficulties by stating in an interview with The Australian, "Perception is often reality when it comes to selection," Cowan wrote. "Throughout my career, even as a junior, I have battled against a perception that a kid who went to a good school (in his case Cranbrook) and had a degree must be soft as butter."

Cowan featured in the 2015 documentary on cricket Death of a Gentleman.

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RAF Hooton Park

Royal Air Force Hooton Park or more simply RAF Hooton Park, on the Wirral Peninsula, Cheshire, is a former Royal Air Force station originally built for the Royal Flying Corps in 1917 as a training aerodrome for pilots in the First World War. During the early/mid-1930s, it was one of the two airfields (with Liverpool Speke) handling scheduled services for the Merseyside region. Hooton Park was home to No. 610 (County of Chester) Squadron and, post Second World War, to No. 611 (West Lancashire) and No. 663 (AOP) Squadron.

The airfield closed in 1957 after the disbandment of the Royal Auxiliary Air Force, but the three pairs of Belfast Truss hangars erected in 1917 survived the closure. The site was bought by Vauxhall Motors, who built their Vauxhall Ellesmere Port plant there, which today produces the Vauxhall Astra. A small remaining section of the airfield site is now owned and managed by The Hooton Park Trust. The hangars are also home to The Griffin Trust and an aircraft preservation society named The Aeroplane Collection. Another part of the old airfield, including a length of the old paved runway, perimeter track and the apron used to park Meteor jet fighters, remains in the ownership of The Naylor Trust. A Second World War B1 hangar is also on this site.

Site background
In 1070, William the Conqueror granted the lands of Hooton to Adam de Aldithly. Eventually they passed to the Stanley family through a series of marriages. After the Battle of Bosworth, Hooton had a new hall and the first Lord Derby in Lancashire. A second half-timbered hall was built in 1488.

A third, Italianate, hall was constructed circa 1778, but this later sold to cover the Stanley family's gambling debts in 1850. The hall and adjoining land was bought by a Mr. Naylor, a wealthy Liverpool banker, for 82,000 guineas. He spent a further 50,000 guineas on the addition of a 100-foot tower, an art gallery, and a large dining hall. He also built a racecourse, polo ground, heronry, stud farm and a church in Childer Thornton in memory of his first wife. His yacht was moored on the River Mersey, but in the 1890s the construction of the Manchester Ship Canal cut off his access to the river, so he moved to another of his properties in Nottinghamshire.

To avoid paying rates the hall was emptied of contents and staff, but the estate continued to be farmed and the racecourse and polo ground remained in use.

First World War
War was declared on 4 August 1914, and Hooton Park's racecourse was used for the last time some ten days later. The British War Department then requisitioned the estate for use as an army training ground. The hall became a headquarters, hospital, and officers' mess. Lord Derby recruited the first Pals regiments and Hooton became the training ground for the 18th Battalion of the Kings Liverpool Rifles. They left for France, and fought in the Battle of the Somme on 1 July 1916.

The War Department built one single and three double aircraft hangars, which were completed in 1917. These hangars had a unique latticed timber roof construction – Belfast Trusses – which were originally used in the Belfast shipyards to cover large working areas, and which provided strength at low cost.

Hooton Park then became the No. 4 Training Depot Station. The Royal Flying Corps moved in to form the fighter squadrons so badly needed in France, using Sopwith Scouts, Sopwith Dolphins and Avro 504s. Some of the pilots killed in training accidents were buried in the local churchyard at nearby Eastham. Large numbers of American and Canadian pilots were also trained at Hooton Park.

On 1 April 1918, the Royal Flying Corps merged with the Royal Naval Air Service to form the Royal Air Force. By the end of the First World War, the 37 aircraft on charge were moved to RAF Sealand and RAF Hooton Park was closed. During the following years the airfield reverted to farmland. The hangars were empty and the hall was so damaged by military use that it was sold as a redevelopment opportunity. and subsequently demolished (although the racecourse and polo ground remained).

Civil aviation between the Wars
The airfield site was purchased by Mr. G.H. Dawson, an aviation enthusiast. In the summer of 1927, the Liverpool Corporation held an air pageant at Hooton as part of its civic week. This show was such a success that the Liverpool and District Aero Club was formed. Dawson allowed the new club to use his aerodrome for a fee. After only twelve months the club became one of the most successful in the country, and along with Barton and Woodford Aerodromes was one of the centres for aviation in the north of England. For three years the aerodrome served as Merseyside's Airport.

Dawson persuaded two former RAF engineering officers to set up companies at Hooton: Nicholas Comper, whose Comper Aircraft Company designed and built the Comper Swift single-engined sporting monoplane; and Douglas Pobjoy, who designed and manufactured Pobjoy radial engines. Dawson ran into financial trouble, and died in 1933. In the same year, Liverpool Corporation opened Speke airfield across the Mersey as its permanent airport. The flying club subsequently moved there for cheaper hangarage and clubhouse facilities. In March 1933, Comper moved his company to Heston Aerodrome.

In 1934, William Fettis 'Frank' Davison (1899–1949), and his pilot-engineer wife Elsie Joy Muntz (1910–1940) bought Hooton Aerodrome. They set up their own company at Hooton, Utility Airways, which offered joy-riding, air-taxis and some short-distance scheduled flights. When WW2 came, the airfield was returned to military use and all of Davison's aircraft were stored under the old Hooton racecourse grandstand where they, along with several others, to a total of 19 aircraft, were destroyed by an accidental fire, often referred to as the "Great Fire of Hooton Park". on 8 July 1940.

Pobjoy went to work for Short Brothers at Rochester, Kent, but was killed in a mid-air collision in 1946. Despite these setbacks, Hooton was still an important aerodrome, with many private owners and several small airlines continuing to operate out of it.

Second World War
In 1935, Martin Hearn, an ex-pilot and -ground engineer and who had previously worked for Alan Cobham's Flying Circus as a wing walker and aerial trapeze artist, created Martin Hearn Ltd., employing a few mechanics to service the aircraft using the aerodrome. In 1936, No. 610 (County of Chester) Squadron Auxiliary Air Force was formed at Hooton Park. Most of the pilots took private flying lessons to qualify. One person said, "Never have I seen so many Rolls-Royce cars in one spot at the same time" – an indication of the pilots' typical social status. The unit was initially a bomber squadron equipped with Hawker Hind and Hawker Hart bombers and Avro Tutor trainers.

In 1939, the squadron took charge of a number of Fairey Battles, then a flight of Hawker Hurricanes that were quickly replaced by Supermarine Spitfire I's. At the outbreak of the Second World War on 3 September 1939, the Squadron was mobilised and sent to RAF Wittering. 610 later moved to RAF Biggin Hill, where it took part in the Battle of Britain, becoming one of the most successful fighter squadrons to take part in that action. By the end of the war 610 Squadron had destroyed 132 enemy aircraft and 50 flying bombs. One of its pilots (Sgt. Ray Hamlyn) accounted for five enemy aircraft in one day. In February 1945, another 610 pilot (F/Lt Tony Gaze) flying a Spitfire XIV destroyed a Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighter-bomber over Germany.

At this time, Martin Hearn obtained a contract from the Ministry of Aircraft Production to repair large numbers of Avro Ansons, and later de Havilland Mosquito fighter-bombers. As No. 7 Aircraft Assembly Unit, the company's work also included the assembly of various types of US-built aircraft that arrived by ship at the Mersey docks. Aircraft included the North American Mustang, Lockheed P-38 Lightning and Republic P-47 Thunderbolt fighters, plus Douglas Boston and Canadian-built Handley Page Hampden bombers, and North American Harvard trainers.

The first Sikorsky helicopters used by the RAF were also assembled and tested at Hooton towards the end of the war. During the war years, Hooton assembled and repaired thousands of aircraft. The RAF operated a flight of Coastal Command Avro Ansons, de Havilland Tiger Moths and de Havilland Hornet Moths on anti-submarine patrols during 1939 and 1940. No. 11 Radio School and No. 1 School of General Reconnaissance flew from the airfield.

In 1941, the grass airfield was transformed to include a 6,000-foot concrete runway – one of the longest in Europe at that time. As aircraft became redundant, they were sent from all over the country to No. 100 Sub Storage Site at Hooton to be scrapped. The end of the Second World War brought a decline in work to Martin Hearn. The company then had to seek peacetime work. To this end, buses were repaired, armoured cars overhauled and around 70 gliders were built under contract to Slingsby.

Post-war operations
In 1947, Martin Hearn Ltd was renamed Aero-Engineering and Marine (Merseyside), and Martin Hearn was no longer connected to it. Martin Hearn went into partnership with Lily Belcher, and ran the Glider Club, adjacent to the airfield at its north western corner, as a successful and popular hotel for 25 years. The engineering company survived until 1955, latterly servicing Canadair Sabre jet fighters for the RAF and RCAF. Wing Commander 'Wilbur' Wright opened a flying school at Hooton, and later a gliding club was operated from the northern end of the airfield. The gliding club survived as a local wining and dining venue until 1986.

In 1946, No. 610 Squadron Royal Auxiliary Air Force returned to Hooton Park after valiant war service, flying Spitfires in the European theatre. No. 663 (AOP) Squadron was reformed at Hooton Park in 1949, using Auster spotting aircraft. In 1951, No. 610 Squadron received Meteor twin jet fighters, and No. 611 Squadron (West Lancashire) relocated from Woodvale to use the longer Hooton runway required for this type of aircraft. The three squadrons operated as R.Aux.AF units from the airfield until all Auxiliary flying squadrons were disbanded in March 1957. At this point, the station was closed and all flying ceased at RAF Hooton Park.

Units
The following units were also here at some point: • No. 13 Squadron RAF

• No. 48 Squadron RAF

• No. 117 Squadron RAF

• No. 206 Squadron RAF

• No. 502 Squadron RAF

• 701 Naval Air Squadron

• 825 Naval Air Squadron

• 43rd Aero Squadron

• 185th Aero Squadron • No. 3 Coastal Patrol Flight RAF (December 1939 – May 1940)
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• No. 3 Radio Direction Finding School RAF (December 1942)

• No. 4 Coastal Patrol Flight RAF (December 1939 – May 1940)

• No. 4 Training Squadron RAF (March – May 1919)

• Relief Landing Ground for No. 5 Service Flying Training School RAF

• No. 15 Group Communication Flight RAF (February 1941 – December 1942)

• No. 19 Reserve Flying School RAF (July 1950 – July 1951)

• Sub site of No. 48 Maintenance Unit RAF (November 1944 – October 1946)

• Sub site of No. 61 Maintenance Unit RAF (November 1944 – ?)

• No. 186 Gliding School RAF (March 1947 – March 1948)

• No. 192 Gliding School RAF (June 1945 – May 1946 & October 1947 & March 1948 – June 1949)

• No. 1447 Flight RAF (March – December 1942)

• No. 1953 Air Observation Post Flight RAF (July 1949 – March 1957)

• No. 1955 Air Observation Post Flight RAF (July 1949 – March 1957)

• Liverpool University Air Squadron (December 1950 – July 1951)

• The Temperature and Humidity (THUM) Flight RAF (May – July 1951)

After closure by the RAF
The closure of the aerodrome was not the end of the story for Hooton Park – it became the site of the north's biggest agricultural show (the Cheshire Show) until 1977, and the runways continued to be used by Shell Research for testing cars at high speed. In 1960 part of the site was purchased by Vauxhall Motors for the construction of a vehicle production plant at Ellesmere Port – the first car to roll off the production line being the Vauxhall Viva.

Hooton Park Trust
In the summer of 1986 Hooton opened its gates for two days to host the 'Wheels 86 Transport Extravaganza'. This event was so successful that four other 'Wheels Shows (1988, 1992, 1994 and 1996) were held. Over 80,000 people attended these events, and many thousands of pounds were donated to charities from the proceeds. For the first time since 1957 the runways were used. Harrier jets thrilled the crowd, and for a few precious hours, cutting edge aviation technology paid homage to this pioneering aviation site.

Early in the 1980s, the group of four people organising these events successfully approached the local authority to obtain a preservation order on the three historic World War I hangars. English Heritage bestowed on the three hangars grade II Listed building status in 1985 because of their rarity as a group of three double-bay hangars utilising the Belfast truss form of construction.

In the late 1980s this group of four formed themselves into an alliance called The Griffin Trust, and Vauxhall Motors granted them a peppercorn lease on two of the hangars. The third hangar continued to be used to service Vauxhall motor cars.

After a great deal of work, the buildings were brought into some semblance of order. Despite many attempts to raise capital for the repair and maintenance of the buildings The Griffin Trust failed to secure any substantial grant funding.

On 9 October 2000, The Hooton Park Trust obtained the freehold of the three World War I aircraft hangars, with associated ancillary accommodation and land at Hooton Park. The sale of the freehold concluded twelve months of intensive negotiations between The Hooton Park Trust and Vauxhall Motors. These were entered into in response to Vauxhall Motor's application in September 1998 to the local planning authority (Ellesmere Port and Neston Borough Council), for Listed Building Consent to demolish the hangars. This created an enormous protest from aircraft enthusiasts and local people, who were determined that the buildings should be saved in recognition of their role in the development of military and civilian aviation. The campaign was also supported by people concerned with the architectural value contained within the site's buildings.

Vauxhall Motors and their parent company General Motors, met with representatives of The Hooton Park Trust. The Trust persuaded the car giant of the value of the heritage asset they owned, and as a gesture in recognition of this the freehold was passed to The Hooton Park Trust. The motor giant provided substantial financial support to supplement planned applications for public sector funding as well as support expenses to aid the Trust in the first three years of operation.

English Heritage commissioned a thematic review of military aviation sites throughout the United Kingdom in 1998. In that review, Hooton Park was recommended for upgrade to grade II* (two star) listing. Belfast truss hangars were now exceedingly rare, and Hooton Park was in the fortunate position of having three double bay examples set in context with their original ancillary buildings.

In March 2003, grade II* (two star) listing was achieved and a scheme of emergency repairs was devised by consultant engineers working on behalf of the buildings owner's. The Hooton Park Trust have secured initial grants from English Heritage, Heritage Lottery Fund and WREN (landfill tax credits), and work was due to begin on restoring the hangars and ancillary accommodation in September 2007. Since that date, there has been a major roof collapse in one of the hangars, potentially endangering its future. Parts of the site remain open to the public, and the Trust offers guided tours to groups and individuals interested in Hooton Park's rich architectural and aviation history.

In 2022 The Hooton Park Trust re-launched its series of monthly public open days, having completed extensive restoration works in its hangar B16 South. The hangar is now home to TAC, the Chester No 4 Tram restoration project and houses an impressive collection of vintage aircraft and period bicycles and vehicles. The hangar is also home to the CH 21 Home Guard WW II Living History Group, who host a NAAFI style cafe and stage events for the public telling the story of the hangars during WW II

Surviving airfield facilities
A section of the main runway, together with a taxi track and apron, survives at the western end of the airfield owned by the Naylor Trust. A private Eurostar light aircraft landed on and later departed from this runway in 2011. The adjacent large World War II B1 type hangar, which was last used for servicing Meteor jet fighters, is now in industrial use.

Kart circuit
In January 2007, the Hooton Park kart circuit opened after 12 months of construction. The circuit is officially licensed by the Motor Sports Association and race meetings are held on the second Sunday of each month. The races are organised by the Cheshire Kart Racing Club.

Since its opening, the circuit has proven to be popular to karters in the North West Region and has played host to several major meetings including the last round of the Motors TV UK Karting Challenge in October 2007. The Circuit is due to host the NKRA Grande Finals in August 2009.

The Aeroplane Collection (TAC)
TAC is generally regarded as the first voluntary aircraft preservation group in England, having been formed as the Northern Aircraft Preservation Society in 1962. Renamed in 1974 as The Aeroplane Collection, it has been based at Hooton Park for quite some time. It occupies two of the three 1916 era Belfast truss hangars on the site, and several aircraft are being stored and restored to display condition.

Aircraft owned by the group are on display at Hooton Park, unless they are stored or under restoration. As of October 2022 the collection consists of:

 * Auster J.1N Alpha G-AJEB
 * Avro 594 Avian G-EBZM †
 * Bensen B-7M (modified) G-APUD †
 * de Havilland DH.89A Dragon Rapide G-ADAH †
 * de Havilland DH.115 Vampire T.11 XD624 undergoing restoration
 * de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk 22 WB730/G-AOUO
 * de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk T.10 WD387/G-BDDD cockpit, stored
 * de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk T.10 WG303 stored
 * de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk T.10 WK640/G-BWUV cockpit, stored
 * Fairey Gannet T.2 BAPC.309 forward upper section including 2 cockpits.
 * McBroom Hang Glider BAPC.204 stored
 * Mignet HM.14 Pou du Ciel BAPC.12 marked as "G-ADYO" †
 * Miles Gemini Mk.1A G-AKHZ stored
 * Miles Messenger Mk.2A G-AHUI undergoing restoration.
 * Miles Wing Gulp 100a hang glider BAPC.310 stored
 * Parker CA.4 Parasol (Luton Minor) G-AFIU undergoing restoration.
 * Roe I Triplane static replica BAPC.6 on indefinite loan from the Shuttleworth Collection †
 * Slingsby T.8 Tutor glider G-ALPU/BGA473, originally built by Martin Hearn, stored pending restoration.

† – These aircraft were displayed at the Science and Industry Museum in Manchester for many years, but were moved to Hooton Park over the winter of 2021–2.

Ellesmere Port Model Boat Club
In 2017 Ellesmere Port Model Boat Club were given a small piece of land on which to build a sailing lake. The club was given this on the proviso the land be tended to and looked after by the members. In 2018 trees were cut back, grass mown and rubbish removed. A small pool was then built on the land. This pool also acts as an emergency water supply in case of fire. The club are hoping to remain at Hooton for the foreseeable future.

CH 21 Home Guard Living History Group
CH 21 are a reincarnation of the Eastham & Bromborough Home Guard who were active during WW II until stood down in 1944. The duties of CH 21 were in part to patrol the perimeters of the RAF base The group are now permanently stationed at Hooton Park as a residents.

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Aukena

Aukena is the 5th largest of the Gambier Islands in French Polynesia. Aukena is located about halfway between Mangareva and Akamaru, or about 5 km southeast of Mangareva, which is the largest island of the whole Gambier Islands archipelago. Aukena is approximately 2.5 km long and about 0.5 km wide, with a total area of 1.35 km2.

Mangarevan oral tradition first mentions the island in the fourteenth century, and archeological excavations show that it has been inhabited since that time.

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If you believe the media meets the criteria at Non-free content, use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags, and add a rationale justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have created in [ your upload log]. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. — ξ xplicit  19:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Notification: changes to "Mark my edits as minor by default" preference
Hello there. This is an automated message to tell you about the gradual phasing out of the preference entitled "Mark all edits minor by default", which you currently have (or very recently had) enabled.

On 13 March 2011, this preference was hidden from the user preferences screen as part of efforts to prevent its accidental misuse (consensus discussion). This had the effect of locking users in to their existing preference, which, in your case, was. To complete the process, your preference will automatically be changed to  in the next few days. This does not require any intervention on your part and you will still be able to manually mark your edits as being 'minor'. The only thing that's changed is that you will no longer have them marked as minor by default.

For established users such as yourself there is a workaround available involving custom JavaScript. If you are familiar with the contents of WP:MINOR, and believe that it is still beneficial to the encyclopedia to have all your edits marked as such by default, then this discussion will give you the details you need to continue with this functionality indefinitely. If you have any problems, feel free to drop me a note.

Thank you for your understanding and happy editing :) Editing on behalf of User:Jarry1250, LivingBot (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

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