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User talk:Estienne

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Hi. You might be interested in participating in new WikiProject Contract bridge. Regards, Duja 10:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

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Music of Uttar Pradesh

Uttar Pradesh is a state of India. The region's folk heritage includes songs called rasiya (known especially in Braj), which celebrate the divine love of Radha and Shri Krishna. These songs are played by large drums known as bumb, and are performed at many festivals.

During the eras of Guptas and Harsh Vardhans, Uttar Pradesh was a major center for musical innovation.

Folk dances or folk theatre forms include:
 * Ghazals
 * Khayal
 * Marsiya
 * Naqal (mimicry)
 * Nautanki
 * Qawwali
 * Ramlila
 * Raslila
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Talk:OGame

Officers
Sorry all if this messes anything up, it's my first edit =)

Should there be any mention of the controversy raised by officers, as in them being the first benefit available in game that gave a significant advantage through payment?Xela King (talk) 18:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there should. There is even a petition online that asks Gameforge to remove the officers. Nyme (talk) 17:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Number of players
As someone who hasn't played this game I'm a bit confused by the numbers in the first paragraph: "over two million gaming accounts worldwide. The German Ogame has 61 'universes' (servers) with a maximum of 14,000 players each". Doesn't the second sentence contradict the first? 61 * 14,000 = a maximum of 854,000 players. Just curious what the correct (realistic) number of players is.

That only takes into account the number of players on the German Severs. There are other servers as well, English, Polish, ect. That allows for there to be more then 2 million accounts.

There are about 300 servers in multiple languages on the first 2 pages of a Google search for "Ogame", if they all had 5000 players (as most servers don't have anywhere near the max amount of 14,000) then 300*5000 = 1,500,000 which is close to what they say and even closer when u add the other languages that ain't in the to 2 pages of Google page results.(Figjam88au 17:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC))

Some players have several accounts in different universes (that is not prohibited by rules), I used to have 2, some have 3 or even more. And some universes have much less players. In Russian universe #1 there are only 2.5k players left (the newest, 14th universe had almost 9k players). But I do think that a there are over 1000000 accounts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.105.138.5 (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: However, in almost any given universe, a large amount of players are inactive. Furthermore, a huge number of players have 0 points, meaning they create an account, then leave forever. Therefore, the actual number of players is quite less. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckytoilet (talk • contribs) 03:36, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Its true. Every time I go on Ogame, I see almost 1 inactive player per system, and many times more than 1 player. In Uni2 is down to about 1.8k players.Steven Jin (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC) EDIT:

This is surely no longer accurate - you're talking 400 players in some of the .org universes, and less in .de —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.235.65 (talk) 14:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Notability
Google shows 6 million hits for "ogame" (and all the first page links are to stuff related to the game). If that is not notability, then what is? Please do not put up for non-notability again.

Many, many thousands of people have played this game spending massive amounts of time (me once included, for several months in 2005) and the two million accounts claim does not ring all too wrong from the scope I saw this game have among online browser gamers.

Max robitzsch 12:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm putting it back for the moment. The article itself does not state how this article meets the criteria in WP:WEB. --InShaneee 12:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Added info about notability, removed notability tag.

Could the editor that tagged this page please explain the reasons a bit more? Seems pretty silly to make this a VfD... --JD79 02:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

 * As I said, he said in his edit summary that he didn't see this article meeting the standards set down by WP:WEB. --InShaneee 23:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

English
Defence and Colonization... Are we using English or American English?
 * It is German, thus European. British English is in order. Rama 09:38, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * German made yes. American based (.org) American translated. XD Anubis1055 01:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually the .org version is officially the international version, but was originally only for British and Americans. Now it is international and the official language is English no English American I'm afraid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.19.110 (talk) 20:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There is an American server (.us) seperate from .org. The .org servers are mainly for European countries that speak English and Australia, even though many Americans and non-English speakers play the .org because it usually runs faster and has more players to begin with. Spartan123209 (talk) 19:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Please...
Don't copy and paste explanations for technologies and buildings directly from OGame. Use them as guidance, but don't plagarize. λλλ - Shiri 22:32, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Yah... okay. I was fixing them up and changing them fairly significantly, but I'll totally rewrite them in the future. A. S. Houdini

The page is starting to look good. Good show. That clean-up tag'll not be necessary soon. λλλ - Shiri 03:39, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

 * There still are some changes that could be made. I don't think we really need a "Different versions" section. --Zarel 19:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Page Size
We need to cut down on the explanations for buildings and techs and elaboarate on the community, game development, glitches, etc. Looking at other video game pages, Wikipedia doesn't seem to act solely as a game guide. People can go to the OGame tutorial if they want poorly translated tips. Shiri 03:46, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Umm...the technology sections and (perhaps) the buildings should stay, since they are good in length and have some imbedded Wiki links in them and explain a lot about the gameplay. I'm more concerned about that long list of ships that seem to be more in place for a tutorial or player's guide. Shiri 03:30, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

Formulae
Do we want to be putting formulae in the "general formulae" section, or do they go in the applicable section? For example, the building formulae could go in under buildings, etc. A S Houdini 01:15, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC) Also, I noticed that most of the other pages with formulae use the "math" notation. Should we be using that? A S Houdini 04:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that we don't really need the formulae, we just need to have external links to them or something. Like I said, we need to discuss the community, gameplay, etc. more for this to be a decent page. And i've tried math notation and it didn't work. Shiri 02:53, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

How to break it up
I suggest that we break up each main section so it could have an article like Buildings_(ogame) it makes sense

Huge copyedit
If you have a problem with it, say something. I've made the page more similar to the other Wikipedia articles about games, in that I explain features of the game instead of making it a bloody player's guide. I figure that's what the external links are for. Shiri 04:29, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking there could be a brief description of each ship and the moon features but that'd probably be a little bit too "player's guideish." Da Dohboy 13:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Shiri on this one. Wikipedia should have a good article about OGame, its history, what OGame is, but this should not turn into another playerguide. We should mention that fleets can be used, and the different types of actions a fleet can take, but it is not necessary to distinguish between light and heavy freighters, or differnt levels of combat ships. We should only mention tactics if they are something unique to OGame, something that isn't shared among games of a similar genre, or that are generally acknowledged as classic moves by the playerbase and surrounding OGame community. Rekov 00:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good
No more article size warnings. Wormeyman 09:49, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

4th universe
Looks like a 4th universe just opened Wormeyman 09:57, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Uni 15 came out a couple of days ago by the way. Just updating this. ^^ 08:01 EST, Feb 10, 2006 Da Dohboy 13:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

And uni16 is out today. Da Dohboy 12:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Uni 19 opened a couple days ago --24.75.246.150 18:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Universe 36 just opened... RJRocket53 (talk) 01:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Other languages
Anybody know anything about the Russian, Spainsh, etc. versions and would like to discuss them under the community section? Shiri — Talk 17:58, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

I know a bit about the Turkish version.... --193.140.194.104 06:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Ogame Novel
It exists an ogame novel but it is in german. You can find it also in the german article bout ogame. But I am not sure if it's so important for the english article. --134.147.115.45 17:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There is also now a picture of the novel. U can find it here. --134.147.116.209 09:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

You can translate the title as "Earthchild and Dragondeath" --134.147.29.179 07:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit War
Please be carefull a guy had written here complete nonsens. I had rechange it. But please take a look. Thx --134.147.73.118 18:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Balkan language, Forums, etc.
There is no "Balkan Language"... The "Balkan Countries" have their own languages (Turkish, Greek, Romanian, Bulgarian, Albanian, etc. Thanx
 * Actually, it should probably say "Bosnian" language. According to http://www.immigration-usa.com/country_digraphs.html .ba is code for Bosnia and Hercegovina. 212.200.52.11 10:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I removed all those links and instead redirect to the top of the article: OGame in various languages...where I have all the links and such. cheater 18:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Romania is not a Balcanic country :P

copyrights of ogame?
what are the copyrights of ogame? is it open source? can clones be made? where can i find htis info?

It's not an open source. <_< It's a GameForge game, so ask the administators of the game for the info. Da Dohboy 12:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Its copyrighted... This means you cannot use any images, website code, or any other applicable copyrighted material.. ANYWHERE. Clones get shut down very fast by the legal team. So do websites caught using copyrighted material. See it all the time lol Anubis1055 01:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Croatian and/or Hungarian
Someone (mis)labeled ogame.com.hr as Croatian and/or Hungarian. That website is obviously in Croatian language, so unless person editing it cant distinguish Croatian and Hungarian languages I would really like to see proofs to the contrary. Also, Hungarian domain is .hu and that might have been what confused the editor. Shinhan 14:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, your input is greatly valued. I had no way of checking, since I speak neither Hungarian or Croatian! cheater 22:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * You can use Language recognition chart if you are not sure in what language is something written. For country codes you can see ISO 3166-1 alpha-2.

Notability
Please post here everything we can use to prove notability of OGame since somebody thinks its not notable. Here's some alexa ratings:
 * .org - 8.499
 * .de - 7.947
 * .fr - 12.677
 * .com.es - 3.732
 * .pl - 7.779
 * .com.tr - 3.966

This should show that ogame is pretty big, esp. since its multilingual.

Found some stuff on Google Scholar, but not everything is english: Google Scholar search

Anything else? Shinhan 21:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Those aren't great Alexa ratings... --InShaneee 18:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

 * They are for a browser-based game. I'd go so far as to say that Ogame is probably one of the top-ranked browser-based games on Alexa, if not the highest ranked (aside from Runescape.) This utility is an Ogame combat simulator; it's #80 on Sourceforge overall and has almost 2.5 million downloads. That would be impossible to achieve if the game weren't notable in some way. (Or if somebody downloaded the program a few million times for no apparent reason.) syphonbyte (t 02:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

None of this will be enough. We need reviews from long standing review sites, not listings, or places where anyone can add a review, but INDEPENDENT reviews. take a look at the talk page of Starships! and you'll see what we are up against.Matt Brennen 23:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

New screencaps?
The screencaps in the article are dated. OGame recently changed to better-looking images. Could someone with a decent amount of planets provide a new screen cap to reflect the changes? I would, but I only have one colony, and fear I would not do justice.NME 07:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I added a new screencap, and an infobox. :) MichaelJE2 22:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Article Merge
I have just merged the Intergalactic Research Network article into the buildings section of the OGame article. As I am unfamiliar with the game, does anyone know of a better section for it? Or is it ok? Garydh 08:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I deleted the Intergalactic Research Network portion in buildings. IGN (as it is commonly abbreviated) is a research (an upgrade).  A section that may be neccesary to add to this article.68.70.149.142 11:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I, for one, don't understand why you deleted that paragraph. It's listed in the game under "Buildings." I don't see the point in not having it in the "Buildings section of the article. -- Ben 15:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Because IGN has little to do with buildings. 68.70.149.142 14:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you please re-include the material somewhere in the article? It defeats the purpose of the merge if it is deleted from the article. -- Ben 15:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The best solution would be to create a seperate section for researches. I'll go create it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.149.142 (talk) 03:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC).68.70.149.142 03:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

POV & Overhaul
Can we please remove the obvious non-NPOV comments? Starting with the the Issues faced section? Since when was it okay to use bulletin boards as references? As for the rules, can there be a short list of the actual account instead of a paragraph that seems to have been written by a middle schooler doing an essay? This reads more like a guide you'd find on the ogame board and not a encyclopedic article. Requires definate overhaul. Godloveslamb 06:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I sited the Ogame board twice. The first one was sited the official announcement (since the Ogame board is the only place where these annoucements are made).  The second one was to show player unrest and thus I linked to a long thread that had many player complaints.  Besides almost everything important (from the FAQs to the pillory links) is on the boards.

 * As for the rules section, if you don't like the ways the it's set up you are more then welcome to change it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.149.142 (talk) 23:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

 * I have the removed the criticism about loosing your fleet. If someone has a problem with the concept of a war game and the fact that you need to FS and generally bother to learn the game then take it elsewhere please. MartinDK 14:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I have now removed the part about there being a steep learning curve as there are no sources. The section is now untagged and simply renamed "Officers". Please remember that Wikipedia is not a soapbox for disgruntled former players. MartinDK 09:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Notability
Guys- this game isn't 10% as sourced as Starships!, and there are guys who are trying to get THAT article deleted. This article is in SERIOUS CRITICAL need of sourcing. I know it sux, but some of these admins are total nazis when it comes to this. They will come in, remove everything you've been using to source the notability of the artical so far, then put the artical up for deletion on the grounds that it isn't sourced. Dirty trick, eh? The only way to combat this is to have SOLID sourcing that is indisputable, and to fight tooth and nail to keep each notability source in the article. Don't just google. Go to your bookstore and see if 0Game is in any books. look for magazine writups on their own pages, google doesn't get to everything. Matt Brennen 23:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Don't bother... it takes about 2 seconds to search Google news and realize that this game is the number one browserbased game in Europe. It has indeed been the subject of multiple articles in established magazines and newspapers. But that doesn't matter because this is what is known as gaming the system. You walk into an article that you have never edited. Slap it with a notability tag and then you wait. If someone actually bothers to add sources you just revert them claiming that they aren't reliable. After a few days you AfD the article claiming that not only did you attempt to solve the notability issue by adding the template but the authors of the article are also adding unreliable sources. Hence WP:WEB has not been satisfied and the article gets deleted. It's better not to waste any time on it to begin with, all you get out of it is disappointment and anger. It's all about the burden of proof. If they had actual evidence that it violates WP:WEB they could (and should) have put it up for speedy deletion. There is a specific criteria for articles that fail WP:WEB. They don't do that because they know that they can't prove anything. How would they? They don't know anything about the subject of the article and they have never edited it. That's why they try shift the burden of proof. If someone is willing to add the sources then fine. Personally I have seen this too many times to even bother. MartinDK 10:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I was just passing through this article after it came up on the Starships talk page, I hadn't noticed Brennen calling me (?) a Nazi here the day before. Yes, I've slapped this with a notability tag, because a few minutes of searching didn't turn up any obvious reliable sources (searching Google News for "ogame" returns no results, Google Scholar turns up a lot of typos and Japanese surnames). If there are multiple articles in established magazines in newspapers, all you need to do is mention them in the article, and that's it, your article now meets WP:WEB, its notability can be easily verified by future editors, and it won't be challenged again for its lack of sources.
 * I wouldn't revert a source unless it failed the clear rules of WP:RS, and any AfD ruling would obviously take malevolently deleted sources into account, if they were raised during the discussion. --McGeddon 10:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Um...I never called you a nazi. I spoke of wiki-nazis, but never mentioned you. I find it interesting that you would take it personally like that. Now that I've left starships to help O-Game with references, I suppose you are going to follow me here now? Matt Brennen 18:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that McGeddon. That was a very nice change from what I'm used to in these situations. I was being unclear... you need to search the archives of Google News because that way you get foreign language hits as well, most importantly the German ones (GameForge, the owners of OGame is a German company). In light of your response I retract my sceptisism and I'll get started then. WP:WEB is quite clear on what sources should be added (non-trivial, reliable sources). MartinDK 11:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Would you accept this as an example of a reliable source? This is an established and reliable German news source. MartinDK 11:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't that just a press release site? English-language sources are always preferable, either way, and it could be argued that a German source only proves that the game is notable in Germany. But it's a good enough start. --McGeddon 11:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Even i know OGAME is massive, if this one goes, I give in :-( I managed to source Travian yesterday. I think blogs from 'reliable' sources like fairly well known games designers are ok. Its hard to source these games, to the WikiNazis standards. Good luck. Bjrobinson 11:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, self-published sources can be okay, if they're the personal site of an established and published expert. If you disapprove of the current standards for determining which web sites should and shouldn't be included in Wikipedia, though, you're better off proposing changes to them at Wikipedia talk:Notability (web), rather than calling other editors Nazis for enforcing them. --McGeddon 12:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok that's fairly clear. I dunno, this entire episode has just had quite an impact on how i view WP, i have been quietly contributing and editing articles for two years, very very few of which had anything to do with this subject, but, well, i dunno, its a shame. Im not sure anymore. Bjrobinson 13:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks McGeddon. I'll try to get better sources. If it proves impossible to prove the notability of OGame even if I know that it is then I respect WP:V, that is the criteria for inclusion is verifiability not truth. I know that WP:WEB is quite restrictive for a good reason... we don't want to be a web directory and there have been serious spam issues with these website articles. I've had a few of them deleted in the past because of that. The reason I'm so concerned about this one in particular is that the game has a huge number of players when compared to other online games, even games like World of Warcraft. So I'm fighting for this one but obviously policy trumphs everything else. If blogs are regarded as reliable under some of course quite restrictive conditions then that might make it easier to source the article. MartinDK 14:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Just an additional question.... if a press release has been printed in an established German gaming magazine (as I know that it has because I buy them - I live in Denmark) then does that make it reliable and would I be required to prove that it has been printed rather than link to the press release? I know this may seem a bit technical but it matters when I want to source the article because obviously online sources are easier to judge as reliable og unreliable but often good sources are printed and not online at least not without having to pay for it... Also are more people than me actually working on this? If this only matters to me then I give in. MartinDK 14:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid straight reprints of press releases are actually specifically ruled out as inappropriate, in WP:WEB. WP:WEB and WP:RS should answer all your questions about appropriate sources, really. --McGeddon 20:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Moving On
It appears that McGeddon wishes to follow me here from Starships! (a little creepy, I know), so I'll be moving on to a different game and work on sourcing there. This will either have the effect of ridding me of this editor, or ridding you guys of him. Either way it's a good deal for somebody. McGeddon, please don't follow me again. Matt Brennen 18:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello. I only chanced across this article because you were attempting to cite the Spanish social-bookmarking entry for it as a source for Starships. Please try to assume good faith. --McGeddon 20:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You two should work together you seem to have a shared interest in this subject. It may even be worth starting a project thingy to try and save those not already deleted Bjrobinson 09:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Be easier just to join this one really. DarkSaber2k 09:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD
I give in. There is no way I can properly source this as long as WP:WEB is the proper policy which unfortunately it is because this game happens to run using a browser rather than a downloaded client. Given my involvement in this I will not AfD the article myself since that may be considered a bad faith nomination to prove a point and I just won't take tha risk seeing how agressive people are being on related AfD's. Sorry Matt, I just don't see any way out of this. Policy is on their side and we would be far better off trying to change WP:WEB to exclude things where the browser is only used as a tool. This game would run quite fine with a dedicated client but because GameForge specializes in games that happen to run through a browser there is just nothing I can do to salvage this. MartinDK 08:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The article would have exactly the same problems if it used a downloadable client. Wikipedia notability rules apply to all articles - a downloadable game, a video game, a politician or a chocolate bar would all require "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" to merit a full encyclopaedia article about them. --McGeddon 08:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I realize this but if you read a guideline like WP:MUSIC there several additional ways to establish notability of a song for example. This is also the case for webcontent (an award for example). However, the only sources I can give for this game are from German gaming magazines that copyright law forbids me from scanning and it is just too easy to question those sources unless somone else can verify that I am speaking truthfully. I really do hope that you see my problem here. I respect policy which is also why I give in but my point here is that WP:WEB just isn't suited for this one. There ought to be a guideline for things that could very well run without a browser but there isn't and so I respect that. So please... put this one out of its missery McGeddon. I won't contest it if you do. MartinDK 08:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Citing a paper magazine is fine - here are guidelines for doing so. Just make sure that the source is good enough to meet WP:N, particularly because "it does not require that a topic be the sole focus of a source, but does require that the source speaks on the subject in detail, rather than a mention in passing or name drop". If you're not sure, post a description of the article to the talk page here. --McGeddon 09:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) As far as far as I'm concerned, as long you can cite the issue number and page of the those articles, that's acceptable. Plenty of articles have citations for books and articles that aren't readily available. Nowhere in the reliable sources guidelines does it say the sources HAVE to be available online. DarkSaber2k 09:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being patient with me and convincing me not to give up. I'll get my magazines out tomorrow as it is a holiday here in Denmark. For now, the best I have is this . It does not appear to be a mere reprint of a press release and it does say that OGame is indeed Europe's biggest browserbased game. I don't think that I can get a more reliable source for the number of players than GameForge themselves since they are the only ones who know how many players there are. That's also why the article cites ogame.de as the source. But I'll get more printed sources that have been edited by real journalists working for respected reliable German magazines. As for the sources being in German there won't be much I can do about that, sorry MartinDK 10:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There is one here as well. This is from the German version of PC World that I would call a reliable source. It describes OGame as Das weltweit größte Browser MMO. Am I on the right track, especially when I get the magazine articles as well? MartinDK 10:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It reads a bit like a quoted press release, autotranslating it to English, but if you're happy that it's not, it should be fine.
 * I'm not sure whether sources being in another language means that the subject should only be really considered notable in that country (Wikipedia.de has no article for some English MMORPGs, and I can imagine it could be frowned on to add an article about English subject which was only trivially notable to German readers), but I've not yet seen any policy guidelines to suggest that this is the case. --McGeddon 10:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent + edit conflict) ::::::I had to run it through Babelfish to get an english version (and by-pass my office web filter), but that article is a prefectly usable source. It's not trivial, it doesn't appear to be a re-print of a press release, and it's the German version of PC World, a most definitly reliable source of information. Good find! DarkSaber2k 10:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys! I have one more... this is from Bayerischer Rundfunk and you can read it here. The main subject of the article is OGame and it contains a brief comparison with World of Warcraft. I know it won't be a source of any specific information but it is an example of OGame being the subject of a non-trivial article by a reliable source. Could some of the others who have expressed their support for OGame possibly help me out with finding articles? Or am I on my own? MartinDK 11:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) That article is also perfectly fine as far as I can tell. I would help finding the sources, but currently I'm in work and we have a hideously restrictive filter. I can only get Wikipedia without any pictures (seriously!) and sometimes Babelfish will actually translate something (like the two articles above). But I've got no access to search engines for another 5 hours, when I'll be back home. DarkSaber2k 11:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks DarkSaber. Thats perfectly okay as I am at work too right now. I was thinking more about Matt and the others really, I appreciate your help right now! I have this one too It is page 2 of an article about browser games in general so I respect that it is a weak reference when it comes to notability but it does mention that OGame is the biggest browser game in Europe and the source is a reliable German gaming magazine. I'll keep working on it when I get home and then I can add more/better ones and hopefully get a nice collection of good sources. I do feel, however, that I have provided good sources to prove that among browser games OGame is notable. The question on my mind now is how to prove that browser games are notable to begin with... that's task number 2 for me. MartinDK 11:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That mention is a bit trivial I think. It appears to be about half a sentence saying it was agreed by a conference to be the third best browser MMO? (I'm not sure, the translation was a bit weird), but with those other two sources I would say you wont have to worry about any deletion shenanigans for a little while. But naturally, more is better when it comes to sources. The problem with establishing notability for the Browser game genre is that notability is not inherited. Just becuase a few of them are actually notable enough to be covered in an article doesn't mean they all are. (And some editors concerned with 'minority interests' can't seem to get this into their heads.) Now that all the articles that definitly failed to assert their notability are gone, we can concentrate on looking deeper into the articles that appear to be borderline notability. DarkSaber2k 11:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks and I agree. And you are right about the article only very briefly pointing to it as being number 3 in a competition. I was being unclear. I agree that notability is not inhereted and far from all games are notable. I'm happy that the two I have found today is a good start. I think it would be nice if the article could show that this game in particular is not notable because it is a notable browser game but because it is a notable game in general just like World of Warcraft is a notable game. That would be much better because then it won't matter that it happens to be a browser game and then no one can point to this game and say well because this is a browser game then all browser games are notable. This is what I so miserably tried to explain when I said that WP:WEB in my opinion wasn't the best guideline to judge this from. I have had enough trouble with people using the "x stays so y stays too" argument to realize that problem. MartinDK 11:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added in those first two articles to the references section. The information can be worked into the article later. What matters at the moment is that they are there. DarkSaber2k 18:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

New Picture
I think we need a new picture for the Ogame article. The welcome screen has been revised considerably.

Ntoablility proof
A notable web site review...

GameFAQ's

--Armanalp 06:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The key phrases there are "Reader Reviews" and "You can submit your own review for this game using our Review Submission Form". Wikipedia requires reliable sources for its articles: reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy, or are authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. --McGeddon 09:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ogame.JPG
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No aparent reason for deletion
I've read all the article and found no reason for deletion except a possible speculation about the reason why some players are banned. I've made a small change on that part of the article. Some players on ogame.pt have complained about being banned because they've become a threat to other players, without giving proper explanations or facts about it, though.

Hyperdanny 03:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you think that you can add something meaningful to the AfD discussion, please feel free to speak up over there. Posting here might be spitting in the wind. But your comment here doesn't really indicate that you are prepared to address the concern over whether or not the subject meets the criteria outlined by WP:WEB. -- Ben 05:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Not a game guide
Does this article really need to list out all the missions and researches? I think it's gratuitous. I think it's one big step towards making the article a game guide. Any thoughts? -- Ben 05:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Or... more to the point... Do we really need all that information about the ship types? -- Ben 17:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I would say so for the fact that this is about the game. These are relative to the game part of it. You use these just as you would any other part.  Jason 17:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldstryfe (talk • contribs)
 * Full details probably arnt needed. This seems to be more of a "what is ogame and what does it do?" kind of page. just how i see it

Anubis1055 15:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is good as it is now, althrough we don't need the costs of defenses and ships in Wikipedia. But the details on every ship is ok, they do have weapon lists in first-person-shooter articles, why wouldn't strategy games have lists too? Nyme 18:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Images
Please help me fill in the rationale for fair image use, the images were obtained from the homepage of ogame.org and is entitled for free user viewing.Yulu 16:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Free user viewing? not sure i follow. are you asking if its ok to use them on your site? if so then you must get permission from gameforge as all material on any ogame site is copyrighted. if you dont get permission you risk a lawsuit. Anubis1055 21:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Massive Editing
Whats with the massive editing? looks like there was just an edit war... kinda hard to keep things fixed etc. when 2 guys are going at it like that... fixed the sections that were lost in the fog of war... atleast... the ones i noticed gone anyways... Anubis1055 21:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In hinsight I think we may have gone a bit too far... ;). I really didn't oppose the offficers and commander sections - they were just full of people's own opinions and analysis rather than being factual and well sourced. This is an encyclopedia after all, not the OGame complaint department.

 * How does everone feel about a sourced and encyclopedic section about the use of tools? The tools section under external links were basically just a place holder for violations of WP:EL and WP:SPAM. If we created a section as described above we could solve this issue with the links by treating them in an encyclopedic way. EconomicsGuy 07:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

 * You should see some of the stuff in the past in the officers section. at one point it was on big insult to us game operators and the others ;) do you have any examples of a section like what you are referring to? Anubis1055 15:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Other ogame sites
i dont know them all so if you know of an ogame site (ogame.de, ogame.fr) etc. then plz add it to the article with a note as to what language it is. <3 66.169.101.151 17:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Servers List
Sorry for my last edit. I messed up some things, but i've noticed that everything is in place again. Adding link to references -> site with the complete list of the servers --82.106.116.216 15:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

NOT A GAME GUIDE
as the subject says... this is NOT a game guide.. this is a what is ogame and what does it do page. lets refrain from turning this into a user manual please...Anubis1055 (talk) 19:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Whoever is adding ogamewinner...
Stop adding ogamewinner.com to the links. The french site contains a proxy, which is illegal in OGame rules. Site author, if you are so keen in adding it here, remove the proxy from the site. Then you can add it here freely. I don't want to start an edit war, so everyone: if he adds the site, remove it. Thank you. Nyme (talk) 14:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * i just removed it again. confirmed with a SGO that if he continues its grounds for banning as it violates the proxy rules. Anubis1055 (talk) 17:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Now there is no proxy, not on french or english site. But: there is a proxy. There is no links to the page but it still exists in form of http://www.ogame-winner.com/proxy.html which points to a site with the proxy through 300 Multiple choices error. Author: remove the proxy COMPLETELY, even if nothing links to it visibly, because people can reach it by using that address I mentioned. I dunno should the link be removed anymore because its not visible however. Nyme (talk) 09:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My proxy doesn't work with OGAME ! However I abandonned the proxy. You can try again your link.

 * Yep, gives 403 forbidden when I try it. The proxy is nowhere to be found now and the matter is solved. You may add your site to the links. Nyme (talk) 13:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

OK. Thank you.
 * sections merged Anubis1055 (talk) 04:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Trolls
and this includes overzealous mods... if you are going to edit this page edit it ONLY if you know what it is. do not be an asshat and troll wikipedia... Anubis1055 (talk) 18:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Ogame Blog
I recently added Ogameblog as a link to the tools page. Anubis then decided to delete it. I can't imagine why, as it is a valuable tool. So, shouldn't it of stayed up? Wikipedia is here to support factual information presented to the user, it is not to have only one side of Ogame shown.

MatCauthon (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)MatCauthon
 * The site contains a cheats section which has LONG lists of proxies, bots and other programs considered illegal in OGame rules. Yes, the site claims "Whether there is a point in using cheats is not for me to decide. I only inform the OGame community of them". Think about how many people who use them use them for, say, recognizing other cheaters? Not many. Listing these cheating programs does more harm than good for OGame. The OGameWinner edit war's (solved now) reason was that the side had one proxy. OGameBlog seems to have a LIST of proxies (not to mention the list of bots), which is even more blatant. Sorry, but the site doesn't exist in Wikipedia if the cheats section isn't removed. Nyme (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There are several reasons why i removed it. i left a note on your IP Addresses talk page as you wernt logged in. ill start from the top. Cheats. redundant i know... harms the community. Proxies. an issue well understood by the administrators of wikipedia (got one of them involved on the last dispute). the editor removed the proxy and his site has been allowed to remain. slander. i could quote a few things but im sure you already are aware of the lies your site has on it. the site is blatantly offencive and insulting. this is a what is ogame and what does it do page. this is not a page where you can post slanderous websites up and get away with it... do i need to call a wiki admin again? please stop.Anubis1055 (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand when you say "my site". I am neither the owner or operator of the site. As for an IP message, I haven't edited this page without being logged in? As least I don't think I have. While I will happily concede the point that the Ogameblog has both Proxies and Cheats, I have not found evidence of lies or any content offensive to the average Ogame user.

Wikipedia is about information in an unbiased manner. You two are clearly biased. While I won't re add the OgameBlog link, I will inquire to an Admin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MatCauthon (talk • contribs) 21:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was another user who undid Anubis' edit. On why he said "your site" is because of the former edit war I spoke of earlier (there the author of the site was adding it here, and I too thought you were the owner of the site). But about the site again... there are no "lies" for what I saw when I looked through the site. There you are right. But why do you call us biased? Because we remove a site that conflicts with the rules of the game it is about? Do you call the government biased when they punish people for their crimes? By all means, ask an admin but you are not going to get anywhere. Nyme (talk) 09:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I quite frankly agree with you. The government is unbiased. However, Game Forge does not own or operate Wikipedia. And if you look on wikipedia, you can learn all manners of illegal things, from botnets to the Anarchist's Cookbook. Wikipedia is here to inform the masses about all sides of a subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MatCauthon (talk • contribs) 14:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Right, they don't own Wikipedia. Exactly, it is here to present a neutral point of view. But providing this kind of information for the masses is somewhat like writing 'OGame is a game where one can cheat with minimal risk of getting caught. Here are some links to bots, proxies and everything you need to play unfair.' It's somewhat like promoting cheating. This is what I feel, of course it isn't the only true opinion. I haven't completely read through all Wikipedia policies and guidelines, but actually, if you look at any other "cheating in video games" article (for example, aimbot article), are there any links? Nyme (talk) 17:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

you say you will get the wiki admins involved. by all means. wont change a thing. you see the wiki admins i have worked with in the past have all agreed to keep things on the page that does not harm a community. and you say illegal things like the anarchist cook book... dude i could drive down to Barns & Noble right now and buy it... im sorry but your argument does not fit with what is going on... la cook book at barns&nobleAnubis1055 (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Reason for the tag(Refs)
Refs: Page has 4 sources. The first one is a site which appears to fail wp:rs, 2 more in German, which is not the issue but both are used for one sentence. The final one is a primary source which is used once. Please fix this, or much of this article may be deleted. John .n- IRL 22:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not appropriate to add a "no" references tag when in fact there are references. Bad references should be dealt with, and a refimprove tag can be used.  But "no" means "zero".  It sould not be used for other purposes. 2005 (talk) 03:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done John .n- IRL 03:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Exactly where does the article still need references? I see that account numbers are already referenced. I can't think why information like game resources and technical aspects should be referenced. Nyme (talk) 09:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course it needs a reference, go look at featured articles, such as Halo 3, the gameplay section would be similar to what you describe and this of full of references. For an article of this length to have so few resources is a bit ridiculous. Also, anyone who is familiar with this article, why is there so little real world information in the article? This is all in-universe information. John .n- IRL 15:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. It's pretty hard to find references outside the game or its official forums. The forums, however, are the main channel between Gameforge and the players and is used for informing. I recently used the rules thread as a reference, but I don't know if this is advised. I didn't really find any guideline which advises against this (or perhaps I didn't look for it hard enough). And if it can't be done, it will be hard to reference the article better. Nyme (talk) 17:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is, if you cant find a reference outside of a forum, then its an indicator that perhaps its not suitable for the article. This article contains a tiny fraction of non-universe info, while the "gameplay" section takes up the rest. Alot of what this article contains would be more suitable to an ogame-wiki. John .n- IRL 09:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Images - Fair Use
To make you aware, all the images in this article are missing Fair Use Rationales, they each require one for this page. John .n- IRL 02:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I provided the rationales. It's been for some time but didn't remember to tell it here. Nyme (talk) 06:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

protection removed?
i spend about 2 months trying to draw attention to this article with so many links at the bottom of the page and then do all that work to piss people off to get the page protected and now its unprotected again? i guess its safe to say... "welcome back editors who wish to edit in obscene and cheat related sites". freaking BS... Anubis1055 (talk) 18:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We'll see if the situation gets worse. Perhaps the vandals have left the article. Now when there are almost no links to 3rd party sites, they won't perhaps add their sites because there is no place for them. Nyme (talk) 06:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * that may be gone but problems still remain. for example. this bit of vandalism that was just recently reverted. it continues... should have been permanently protected....Anubis1055 (talk) 16:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You were right. The link spam began again. It should be permanently protected. Nyme (talk) 08:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

continuing removal of gameforge link
as seen here and in many other articles it is entirely appropriate to leave the game creators link in the external area. please stop removing. this was also confirmed on another talk page that you were a part of.Anubis1055 (talk) 18:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

not a video game
Categories: Stub-Class video game articles | Low-priority video game articles | WikiProject Video games articles Ogame is by definition a Text Based Browser Game. Not a video game. Why are these categories listed?Anubis1055 (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Second Nomination for Deletion
I have nominated this article for deletion, discussion can be found here. (Sorry for the many...many mistakes in the edit field, more tired than i thought). John .n- IRL 22:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

A GameForge Page?
I think GameForge deserves a page. I don't know enough about the company to write an article about it, but someone should. Luckytoilet (talk) 03:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The future of the article
Alright, now that the deletion debate has passed, we can focus on modifying the article. It was agreed that it should be stripped down to what can be referenced from the existing sources. The most obvious person for making the chances would be a german, but since it may not be available, we must talk about what shall be reserved and what shall be removed. I'd say we keep the header, rules, refs and external link sections. Then we can delete the rest. However, we should make a short gameplay section with a mention on interface and the general idea. Nyme (talk) 12:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Rules should probably go under gameplay with only a brief mention, try to have only two or three paragraphs on gameplay/rules. John .n- IRL 14:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is too game-guide-esque. Most sections can be summarised by a short paragraph. Details on how the player can obtain each resource should be deleted, detailed percentages and maths regarding game mechanics should go, sections such as the Fodder section should be outright deleted, to name but a few examples. This article also requires some out-of-game information, (development, critical reception, etc). The prose is also fairly weak in places: use of second person "you" (e.g. "your fleet") should be removed, where lists contain encyclopedic information they should be converted to paragraphed prose, stuff like that. Una LagunaTalk 15:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * shoulda seen this page about 6 months ago. it literally was a game guide. 3 or 4 of us worked to reword it and remove the guide part (mostly)Anubis1055 (talk) 20:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

If someone familiar with the game could take out gameguide stuff and keep just the basic info, I'll do it if no one else can but I dont play the game so not sure on whats essential for the page. John .n- IRL 09:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with the game. I'll make the changes. Someone can then revise the article. Nyme (talk) 11:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Galaxy II
please cite.

"OGame is a text-based, resource-management and space-war themed online browser game. an updated version of the classic MMO game Galaxy II,"

ogame is copyrighted to gameforge google has no reference to a galaxy ii game. google search 76.233.100.17 (talk) 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

heise.de
The reference published on heise.de was removed in this edit, with the summary "Can't use heise.de article, as it is either referencing Wikipedia or is a copy of a Wikipedia article". The article is neither referencing Wikipedia, nor is it a copy of a Wikipedia article. The section is just a list of URLs where the reader can read more about the subjects in bold. For example, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMOG for MMOGand http://www.ogame.de for OGame. If you still think the reference should not be added back, please state why not. --Joshua Issac (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Use Google Translate for translating the article and the links if you do not believe me. --Joshua Issac (talk) 17:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * If there is no objection, then I am re-inserting the citation. --Joshua Issac (talk) 23:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Ogame
I was thinking about moving this to Ogame. If you look at the website, GameForge seems to have lowercased the "g" in OGame. For example, in the Universe 42 redesign it is uncapitalized. -  down load  |  Sign!  03:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Then again, in the login screen it clearly shows OGame, as well as the short introduction "OGame is a strategy-game set in space." And to me, the word is made from two parts, O and Game, and thus I think it should be written like OGame, instead of Ogame. Of course, in real grammar one can't write capital letters inside a word, but that's another thing. Nyme (talk) 12:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In the board, it states that they are planning to lowercase the 'g', also. -  down  load  |  Sign!  23:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

 * If they are planning to replace the capital G with the small g, we do not change it here until the change actually happens there. --Joshua Issac (talk) 23:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree on this. Nyme (talk) 12:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Same here. Decoybrick1 (talk) 10:48, 19 February 2009 (PST)

BioWare
Neither of the two articles cited corroborate the fact for which they indicated. Neither article mentions BioWare let alone indicates their involvement in production and development - please also note this GamingBol article the CEO of BioWare does not indicate any relationship between OGame, GameForge, EA or BioWare-Mythic. Further, a search of EA's, BioWare's, OGame's and GameForge's websites does not indicate any relationship. If the statement regarding BioWare's relationship is to be made it should at least be corroborated and preferably include official press releases from at least one of the relevant corporations. Quadrifrons (talk) 21:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Ogame is also on iPad
https://itunes.apple.com/en/app/ogame/id553453991?mt=8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.173.27.236 (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Shouldent this article be titled, Southeast, Washington DC or Southeast (Washington, DC) instead of what it is?. Propose moving it to one of the listed alternatives. --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 04:27, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Same difference.

Washington, D.C. neighborhoods
I'm removing the "neighborhoods" category tag from this article, because Southeast is not a neighborhood. In fact it is made up of at least a dozen neighborhoods, probably closer to two dozen. To call it a neighborhood is misleading, to say the least.Msclguru 03:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Perfect (book)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 00:40, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Perfect (book)
Delete. Looks like a vanity page - I find absolutely no references to it on Google except for what has been written here, and certainly nothing to indicate its alleged cult status. --khaosworks 04:27, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Vanity from a high school creative writing class. When J.M. Wax gets an advance, maybe we'll reconsider. —ExplorerCDT 22:27, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Concur with Explorer, delete. Radiant! 10:25, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - concur with above. Nick04 19:43, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Save - I don't know where you looked, but I found numerous hits on this one; not just copies of Wikipedia, either. I've heard of it everywhere: chatrooms, forums, blogs... lots of personal pages. By the way, my username is NOT associated with it. _mich 16:12, 3 March 2005 (UTC)
 * This is my search result. . That's one hit, identical to the writeup. What's yours? Also, a look at http://jkco.net/about.html - which is on your User page, reveals that you, aka Mich, aka Jeff M. W. have the same initials as J.M. Wax. "Perfect" is also on that site. Nice try. --khaosworks 00:04, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I see two. But you have to really trust a website called "attackofthetoys.com" —ExplorerCDT 00:07, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Save - I can attest to the validity of this book. It is being distributed on the internet in PDF form. I was referred to this story by a friend who emailed it to me. It is short and amusing, but valid none the less. If you want to be content nazis, head over to everything2. jeremy108
 * Comment/Warning: This is user's first edit. Possible sockpuppet. —ExplorerCDT 16:48, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Um..no Sorry for not being as cool as you, but I'm not s "sockpuppet", which from context I assume to be a fake account.jeremy108
 * partially correct...a fake account usually used to bolster someone's failing agenda (i.e. keeping a vanity article from getting deleted by "attesting to the validity of the book."). QED.  As for not being cool like me, I wish I could s stutter when I say s sockpuppet. —ExplorerCDT 05:05, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Save - What's wrong with a little publicity for someone trying to distrubte their work? The description may be a bit vain, but certainly not worth deleting. pdf available at p9r.net/perfect/perfect.pdf.
 * Comment/Warning: This is user's first edit (Mrglass). Possible sockpuppet. —ExplorerCDT 16:48, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Terminate with Extreme Prejudice (Delete). Agree with XCDT, terribly written drivel on a personal webpage.  Not notable, not encyclopedic, not worth the bandwidth it chews up.  Oh, the vanity. —PtonJew06 16:41, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * See Talk:Perfect (book) where he admits that it's a vanity page. -khaosworks 18:29, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy delete for vandalizing this page and block the Mrglass sockpuppet for doing it. Ditto the J. M. Wax "article." - Lucky 6.9 22:08, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete absent any evidence that this is anything but vanity. Gamaliel 22:13, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete - get rid of it and be done with the thing! Although I have found it quite amusing to watch people I know attempt to save this way, the suspense is killing me. _mich 13:33, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * NOTE: this counteracts the vote User:Michfreak placed above, which I will strike out. —ExplorerCDT 19:07, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Fort Ridgely

Fort Ridgely was a frontier United States Army outpost from 1851 to 1867, built 1853–1854 in Minnesota Territory. The Sioux called it Esa Tonka. It was located overlooking the Minnesota River southwest of Fairfax, Minnesota. Half of the fort's land was part of the south reservation in the Minnesota river valley for the Mdewakanton and Wahpekute tribes. Fort Ridgely had no defensive wall, palisade, or guard towers. The Army referred to the fort as the "New Post on the Upper Minnesota" until it was named for two Maryland Army Officers named Ridgely (Randolph and Lott Henderson), who died during the Mexican–American War. (Many sources also cite Captain Thomas P. Ridgely as a namesake, but he died at a residence in Baltimore.)

Construction
The War Department hired Mr. Jessie H. Pomeroy of St. Paul to build both Fort Ridgely and Fort Ripley. At Ridgely there were two Companies of troops that assisted in quarrying the granite two miles away, transporting it to the site, and the erection of a 400-man stone barracks. The barracks formed the east side of the 90 square yard parade ground of the wall-less fort.

In 1854–55, Congress approved $10,000 for the clearing of timber on a military road from St Anthony Falls to Fort Ridgely. On July 22, 1856, Congress approved another $50,000 to build a wagon road from Fort Ridgely to South Pass, Nebraska Territory. William H. Nobles was appointed superintendent of the road's construction. He encountered problems receiving disbursements to cover the basic labor costs incurred.

March 8, 1857, the Spirit Lake Massacre took place across the border in Iowa. Fort Ridgely sent troops commanded by Captain Bee to investigate. They found that Inkpaduta and his band had departed, but Lt. Murray and 25 men were left to search while Capt. Bee and the others returned to Fort Ridgely. The sole survivor was a 14 year old named Abbie Gardner who was made a prisoner for four months. On March 26 the band made a raid on Springfield, Minnesota and according to Abbie, Lt. Murray and his men came into sight two days later, unaware how close they came to encountering the band. Two Wahpeton bargained for the Government for her release and took her to the Upper Sioux Agency. From there she was moved to the Fort Ridgely where she was put on a riverboat to St Paul.

Sioux Uprising
The fort played an important role in the Dakota War of 1862. It would go into American West history as the only fort to come under attack as it experienced. On August 18 Captain Marsh, the fort commander, took most of the garrison to the Lower Sioux Agency upon receiving reports that the Agency had been attacked. Second Lt. Gere and a few men were on duty there. Marsh and his men came under attack when they stopped for water. That action became known as the Battle of Redwood Ferry. Earlier in August Capt. Marsh had requested assistance from C Company at Fort Ripley to oversee the annuity and provisions exchange at the Upper Sioux Agency. Fort Ripley's executive officer, 1st Lt. Sheehan brought two Mountain Howitzers and 40 men to do the job. Initially, Indian Agent Thomas Galbraith refused to extend credit to the Sissiton and Whapeton. However, after a heated exchange Lt. Sheehan with his howitzers convinced all parties that an orderly distribution of food was best. With that done and thinking their task was completed, C Company departed for their own post the morning that the lower Agency was overrun. Unbeknownst to Sheehan, Galbraith had refused to extend credit to the Mdewakanton and Wahpekute at the Lower Sioux Agency. B Company did not have the same military force presence at the Lower Sioux Agency and the situation there spiraled out of control.

When Capt. Marsh learned of the outbreak he sent a runner to catch up with C Company for their support. Lt. Sheehan and his men were near Glencoe, Minnesota, about 40 miles distance, when they were caught up with. Sheehan marched his men through the night making it back to Ridgely by noon that day. Their reinforcement of the garrison changed the Fort's defense as it had more firepower than it could use with eight artillery pieces. When 2nd Lt. Gere learned of Capt. March's death he sent a Private William Sturgis to inform Fort Snelling. Sturgis rode through the night covering the 125 miles in eighteen hours. The Sioux attacked Ridgely's combined military/civilian force twice, on August 20 and August 22. B and C Companies of the 5th Minnesota together with militia and settlers of the Minnesota River valley totaling 230 were opposed by 800 Mdewakanton and Wahpekute led by Little Crow. Some of the civilians were native Métis members of the Renville Rangers militia that had been in the process of departing for Fort Snelling to enlist in a Minnesota Volunteer Infantry unit. Private Sturgis gave them the word they were needed at Fort Ridgely. Fort artillery is credited with repulsing the overwhelming force. Ordinance Sergeant John Jones was the sole regular Army at the fort. He is credited with Ridgely's successful defense by organizing men with artillery experience to man three cannons, two 12-pounders and the 24-pounder. With all the caissons available, while one was servicing a gun position another was restocked and readied to immediately replace it when it was depleted. This allowed the guns to be fired non-stop when needed. C Company remained at the fort until after Col. Sibley arrived with the 6th Minnesota, Companies A, B, F, G 7th Minnesota, Company A 9th Minnesota and Companies G & I 10th Minnesota. With dead laying all over the frontier, Sibley dispatched 170 men as burial parties. Two of those burial parties met and bivouacked 16 miles from Fort Ridgely. On Sept 2nd they were ambushed in the Battle of Birch Coulee. Lt. Sheehan and his men were part of the relief force. Afterwards Sibley ordered them back to Fort Ripley to get their garrison back to strength with the frontier in turmoil.

On 4 September the 3rd Minnesota arrived back at Fort Snelling and joined Sibley at Fort Ridgely on the 12th.

As the war against the Sioux expanded, three Companies of the 30th Wisconsin Infantry Regiment later transitioned Fort Ridgely and New Ulm en route to Fort Wadsworth (Sisseton). For a period a battery of the 3rd Minnesota light Artillery was posted to the fort. Sergeant Jones resigned from the U.S. Army for a Captain's commission in the 3rd Minn. Artillery. Postwar Capt. Jones served one term as the Chief of the St. Paul Police Department.

The Companies of the 7th Minnesota would garrison the Fort next, followed by the 2nd Minnesota Cavalry, Becketts Cavalry, and a Company of the 1st U.S. Volunteers. They were Confederate prisoners of war that had been sworn into federal service.

In March 1863 General Sibley ordered a general court martial be convened at Fort Ridgely on the March 18. The accused was a Lt. George V. Mayhew. The charges were not identified, but were written by his commanding officer Captain Libby of Libby's Company. ,

Notable Officers posted to Fort Ridgely
Notable officers posted to Fort Ridgely included:
 * Major Samuel Woods (6th U.S. Infantry), first post commander 1852–53, would become a Lt. Colonel and paymaster of the Department of Dakota.
 * Major George W. Patten, post commander twice, 1856 and 1861. Lost a hand at the Battle of Cerro Gordo, Mexico and became a Lt. Colonel.
 * Lt. Alfred Sulley 1855 made Major General by end of Indian Wars.
 * Lt. John C. Kelton (6th U.S. Infantry) 1852 would become the Adjunct General United States Army
 * Lt. Winfield Scott Hancock 1853 would become a Major General and commander of the Department of Dakota
 * Lt. Henry E. Maynadier (10th U.S. Infantry) 1856–57, became a brevet Major General
 * Lt. Frederick Steele 1854, became a Major General
 * Capt. John J. Abercrombie 1854, also served at Fort Ripley and established Fort Abercrombie. Became a Brigadier General.
 * Colonel Edmund Brooke Alexander, post commander, 10th U.S. Infantry 1857 would become a brevet Brigadier General
 * Major Thomas W. Sherman (3rd U.S. Artillery) at post when the post was made the Artillery School for Practice Fort Ridgely. He was there 1858–1861 except while commander of an expedition to Kettle Lake in Dakota Territory in 1859.  He would become a brevet Major General
 * Major William W. Morris (4th U.S. Artillery) at post 1861 became a brevet Major General
 * Capt. John S. Marsh replaced Major Morris and was killed in action at Redwood ferry 1862, (B Co. 5th Minnesota Infantry)
 * 2nd Lt. Thomas P. Gere (B Co. 5th Minnesota) assumed command when Capt. Marsh was killed. He received the Medal of Honor at the Battle of Nashville
 * 1st Lt. Timothy J. Sheehan assumed post command from 2nd Lt. Gere 1862 (C Co. 5th Minnesota Infantry) wounded twice defending the post, made Lt. Colonel by end of Civil War, wounded 2 twice more
 * Major John Parker post commander, 1st Minnesota Mounted Rangers
 * Major E.A.Hatch, was at the Battle of Fort Ridgely as a civilian hired by the Northern Superintendency of Indian Affairs to accompany the annuity payment from St Paul.  He would be enlisted as a Major in 1863 and made commander of the 1st Minnesota Indian Volunteer Regiment better known as Hatch's Battalion.
 * Capt. Bernard Bee became Brigadier General CSA and is credited with giving Stonewall Jackson his nickname at the First Battle of Bullrun, where he was killed in action.
 * Major J.C. Pemberton post commander 1859–61 became a CSA Lt. General and would surrender to Ulysses Grant at Vicksburg.
 * Lt. Lewis A. Armistead post commander (6th Infantry), became a CSA Lt. General
 * Corporal Daniel W. Burke(Companies B & E 2nd U.S. Infantry) 1858–59 would become Brigadier General. He received the Medal of Honor during the Civil War at the Battle of Shepherdstown.
 * Capt. James L. Fisk (3rd Minnesota Infantry special assignment Quartermaster Corps) 1863, 64.

Units assigned to the outpost
In its time, numerous units were assigned to the outpost. From the U.S. Army: Companies of the 2nd, 6th, and 10th Infantry Regiments as well as batteries of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th Artillery Regiments, as well as I Co. 1st U.S. Volunteer Regiment.

Until 1859 the garrison was typically three companies of infantry of 30-40 men each. That year the Army designated the fort as an Artillery School for Practice and supplied six pieces of various calibers: two M1841 6-pounder field guns, 12-pounder, M1841 mountain howitzer, 12 pound Napoleon, and M1841 24-pounder howitzer.

From 1857 to 1861, Companies G, I, L 2nd Artillery were variously posted to northern forts: Snelling, Ridgely, and Ripley. In 1859, Companies F and K of the 4th Artillery were posted to the Fort. May 1861 saw E Company 3rd Artillery withdrawn to the east because of the rebellion.

During the civil war Companies from Minnesota Volunteer Regiments served in place of the regular army. These included the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th regiments, 2nd Cavalry, 1st Mounted Rangers, Brackett's Cavalry and a battery from the 3rd light artillery.

1864 wagon train
On July 15, 1864, Capt. James L. Fisk of the Quartermaster Corps lead 97 wagons of pioneers out of Fort Ridgely to meet Gen. Sulley at Fort Rice for escort to the gold fields in Montana Territory. Gen.Sulley departed early, so Fort Rice provided a 40-man escort. On September 2, one hundred eighty miles west, the train ran into Sitting bull's warriors. The wagon train made a 300' diameter defense of sod that was named Fort Dilts. General Sully organized a rescue expedition consisting of 300 men 30th Wisconsin, 200 8th Minnesota, 100 7th Iowa Cavalry(dismounted) and 100 each from the 2nd Minnesota Cavalry, Brackett's Battalion and the 6th Iowa Cavalry. The Minnesota units rendezvous at Fort Ridgely to head west and rescued the outpost on the 20th. However, a wagon of poisoned food was left by Minnesotans that had lost family in the 1862 uprising. Upon reaching Fort Rice the wagon expedition disbanded.

1865 Abandonment of the post
In 1865-6 Captain Kellogg, Commander of Fort Ridgley, formed three settlements of friendly Sioux before the Lake Traverse Reservation was created. The first was directly west of Fort Ridgely at Lake Hendricks on the Minnesota-Dakota Territory border. The other two were southeast of Lake Hendricks at Lake Titaukhe, and Lake Thompson.

In June 1865 the 10th Infantry returned to Fort Snelling and Companies B and H were posted to Fort Ridgely. The Army abandoned Fort Ridgely in 1867 and posted the garrison to Fort Wadsworth (Sisseton). Civilians occupied the vacant buildings and later dismantled them for the building materials. In 1863 one of the 6-pounders from the fort was given to the New Ulm Battery by General Sibley.

State Recognition

In 1895 the Minnesota legislature authorized $3,000, roughly $102,000.00 in 2020 dollars, for the construction of a monument to the Minnesota citizens who had defended the fort. On 20 August 1896 the granite structure was dedicated with many of the surviving defenders attending. Werner Boesch, the ex-Swiss artilleryman that had helped man a 12-pounder during the attacks, had a Fort Ridgely Defender Medal made for the occasion. On it he quoted Big Eagle's comment about the Fort: "Ti-Yo-Pa Na-Ta-Ka-Pi" or they "Kept the Door Shut" to the lower Minnesota river valley. The reverse reads: Presented by the State of Minnesota.

The State erected another large monument to the Chief Mou-zoo-mau-nee and the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe in 1914. Chief Mou-zoo-mau-nee sent 300 warriors to the Fort Ripley to augment in its defense during the uprising. The State held a large dedication and the Milles Lacs band sent a delegation to represent the band.

In June of 1918 the 6th Battalion of Minnesota Home Guard was mustered into the State National Guard with A Company at Fairfax. Fort Ridgely was used as an encampment site by A Company.

Site of the fort today
Today the building foundations have been exposed by State archeologists. The Minnesota Historical Society maintains the publicly owned portion within Fort Ridgely State Park. The old commissary building (partially reconstructed by the Civilian Conservation Corps in the 1930s) now houses the Park's museum. Fort Ridgely was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1970, with much of the park added in 1989.

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Nancy Garden

Nancy Garden (May 15, 1938 – June 23, 2014) was an American writer of fiction for children and young adults, best known for the lesbian novel Annie on My Mind. She received the 2003 Margaret Edwards Award from the American Library Association recognizing her lifetime contribution in writing for teens, citing Annie alone.

Annie On My Mind was awarded the Lee Lynch Classic Award by the Golden Crown Literary Society in 2014, cited as one of the most important classics in lesbian literature.

Biography
Garden was born in 1938 in Boston. She was an only child who "took refuge in books, in writing, and in telling long stories to myself and sometimes acting them out." She earned a B.F.A. (1961) and an M.A. (1962) from Columbia University School of Dramatic Arts. Through school and for several years after college, Garden worked in theater, supplementing the work with odd jobs in offices. This includes freelance editorial work for various publishers. Garden began her writing career as an assistant editor in Scholastic Magazine in New York, NY. By 1970, Garden had risen to associate editor. She moved on to be an editor at Houghton Mifflin CO in Boston, MA between 1971 and 1976. She later visited and gave talks at schools and libraries, teaching children about writing. She has also written non-fiction, mystery and fantasy for children and young adults.

Garden is best known for Annie on My Mind, published by Farrar, Straus and Giroux in 1982. It was critically acclaimed but attracted controversy because of its lesbian characters, Annie and Liza, who fall in love. It was one of the first teen novels to feature lesbian characters in a positive light. "I wrote it to give solace to young gay people, to let them know they were not alone, that they could be happy and well adjusted and also to let heterosexual kids know that we gay people aren't monsters," she told Booklist in a 1996 interview.

In 1993, Annie on My Mind was banned by the Kansas City school system and burnt in demonstrations. It was returned to shelves only after a First Amendment lawsuit by students in 1995. It is #44 on the American Library Association list of 100 books most frequently challenged during the 1990s.

Garden received the Robert B. Downs Award for Intellectual Freedom in 2001 from the University of Illinois Graduate School of Library and Information Science.

The ALA Margaret A. Edwards Award recognizes one writer and a particular body of work "for significant and lasting contribution to young adult literature." Garden won the annual award in 2003, when the panel cited Annie on My Mind alone and called her "the first author for young adults to create a lesbian love story with a positive ending ... Using a fluid, readable style, Garden opens a window through which readers can find courage to be true to themselves." Five years later Garden recalled that "I was and still am enormously grateful ... for YALSA’s recognition ... of the importance of YA books about LGBT youth."

Garden's reviews of young adult titles have appeared in the Lambda Literary Foundation's Lambda Book Report.

She spent many years living between Massachusetts and Maine, with partner Sandy Scott, their golden retriever, Loki, and their cats.

Death
Nancy Garden died of a heart attack on June 23, 2014, aged 76.

Nonfiction

 * Berlin: City Split in Two (Putnam's, 1971)
 * Fun with Weather Forecasting, illus. Dorothea Sierra (Houghton Mifflin, 1973)
 * The Kids' Code and Cipher Book (1988)
 * Weird and Horrible series
 * Vampires (1973)
 * Werewolves (1973)
 * Witches (1975)
 * Devils and Demons (1976)

Fiction

 * What Happened in Marston (1971)
 * The Loners (1972)
 * Mist Maiden (1975)
 * Annie on My Mind (1982)
 * Maria's Mountain (1983)
 * Prisoner of Vampires (1984)
 * Peace, O River (1986)
 * Lark in the Morning (1991)
 * My Sister, the Vampire (1992)
 * Dove and Sword: A Novel of Joan of Arc (1995)
 * My Brother, the Werewolf (1995)
 * Good Moon Rising (1996)
 * The Year They Burned the Books (1999)
 * Holly's Secret (2000)
 * Prisoners of Vampires (2001)
 * Nora and Liz (2002)
 * Meeting Melanie (2002)
 * Molly's Family (2004)
 * Endgame (2006)
 * Hear Us Out! (2007)
 * Fours Crossing series
 * Fours Crossing (1981)
 * Watersmeet (1983)
 * The Door Between (1987)
 * Monster Hunters
 * 1) Mystery of the Night Raiders (1987)
 * 2) Mystery of the Midnight Menace (1988)
 * 3) Mystery of the Secret Marks (1989)
 * 4) Mystery of the Kidnapped Kidnapper (1994)
 * 5) Mystery of the Watchful Witches (1995)

 * Candlestone Inn
 * 1) The Case of the Stolen Scarab (2004)
 * 2) The Case of the Vanishing Valuables (2010)

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