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I seem to remember reading (and I might even be able to find the reference!) that when Robertson did his round in 1901, the Inaccessible Pinnacle was not listed as a Munro but Sgurr Dearg was. Hence he (quite properly) did not climb and did not need to climb the Inaccessible Pinnacle. Would this also have applied to Munro himself? Thincat 12:42, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe so too, and I've never been happy with the fact that he is usually credited as missing two peaks, he had climbed all but one of them by his list.Grinner 14:04, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Maybe he left the In Pinn off his list because he knew he couldn't climb it! Thincat 15:24, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My understanding is that he was trying to climb all the Tops as well as the Munro summits. I think you are right, he did not climb the Inn Pinn, being defeated by bad weather I think. The hill he was leaving for last (Carn Cloch-Mhuillin), conversely, was then a summit, but is now a Top. He was leaving it for last and, being easy and local to him, he could have nipped up any time really. So it seems he could have finished the Munro summits at will but chose not to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.171.195.59 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 3 November 2006

 * Robertson did do the In Pin, but it's believed he didn't quite reach the summit of Ben Wyvis, and so strictly speaking shouldn't be regarded as the first Munroist. --Blisco 18:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Does this line make sense? "walking 1,639 miles (2,638 km), 150 km of which were on a bicycle" Surely it should be either travelling 2,62km, 150km of which were on a bicycle or walking 2,638km plus 150km on a bicyle. Also unsure why the first measurement is quoted in miles with km in parenthesis while the second bit is only in km. I don't really anything about the subject so haven't fixed anything Chored 13:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Levels of Precision
I see my edit has been reverted. Is presenting figures to this level of precision really needed? Rounding to the nearest metre for a mountain with a height of 3000 ft seems appropriate. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Not when a mountain has been demoted from Munro to Corbett status because it was short by 40cm. Michael Glass (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Doesn't bother me hugely, and I can see both perspectives. But the relevant point is that 2998 ft 8 ins is less than 3000 feet.  The original measurement was made with 10 cm or 4 ins precision, so I've adjusted the measurement given accordingly.  Kahastok talk 22:14, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

 * At ±0.1 m accuracy, a figure of 0.4 m has an error margin approaching 50%. With that margin of error, is it really appropriate to quote to that level of precision?   Wee Curry Monster talk 09:07, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Fair point. But the different is going to look precise (at least in metric) almost regardless of what we put on it because the precision is not convenient.  Would a better idea to be to remove that measurement entirely and assume that the reader can work out for themselves that 2999 feet is less than 3000 feet? Kahastok talk 09:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Why not simply state that the peak was 40cm short of the mark? Alternately, if mentioning centimetres is an issue for you, convert that to inches. Michael Glass (talk) 11:22, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 * That's precisely what I did. But measurement wasn't that precise.  The original surveyed measurement was 914.0±0.1 metres, which means that the difference from 3000 feet is in fact 0.4±0.1 metres (16±4 inches).  Saying 40 centimetres or 16 inches implies more precision than is justified. Kahastok talk 12:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point about the margin of error of the measurement. In the light of that, we could simply state that the peak was about 40cm short of the mark, or 30 to 50cm short. Michael Glass (talk) 13:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Does it matter that much? I don't see many readers not realising that 2999 feet (or 2998 ft 8 ins) is less - but not a lot less - than 3000 feet.  Trying to squeeze in a measurement here - let alone two - does not seem to me to add much to the reader's understanding of the topic. Kahastok talk 15:59, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll accept the present wording with one addition: the height in metres. Hence my edit, which, while not challenging the present order of units, reflects accurately, but discreetly, the source measurement in this case. It also respects the MOSNUM advice to provide both measurements. Michael Glass (talk) 23:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

According to Munromagic.com, Sgurr nan Ceannaichean is 913.43m. That converts to 2997ft. Knock off the 43cm and it converts to 2995ft. I went for the more precise figure as being more accurate. The previous link was dead so I replaced it with the munromagic link. On the surface that link looks OK, but others might like to check. Michael Glass (talk) 00:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Order of Units. What do other editors think
When it comes to units of measure this article presents some particular challenges. Munros were defined in feet but mountains are now measured in metres. MOSNUM policy, if followed literally, would recommend mountain heights in metres but distances in miles. Sources are mixed. If you follow the sources the result is broadly in line with MOSNUM but the display of units is inconsistent. If you fix on either metric or Imperial measures you will be more or less at odds with MOSNUM, with modern British practice (miles for distances, metres for heights). If you fix on imperial the precision of the measurements will be affected, as the above discussion shows.

Two editors have changed the display from following the sources (and therefore an inconsistent display of measurements) to Imperial first, which is at odds with modern British practice and with MOSNUM, and which affects the precision of some measurements. Clearly, there are advantages and disadvantages of both arrangements, so I think it's reasonable to ask other editors what they think of the present arrangement (Imperial first). If there is no response, or other editors are positive about this arrangement, then so be it. However, if editors feel that precision in the measurement of the mountains should be given priority, then we might need to reconsider this question.

I think that the precise measurements do matter. What do other editors think? Michael Glass (talk) 00:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

 * I do not believe that it is "at odds with modern British practice" to give mountain heights in feet. This is a context that tends to be mixed, and anecdotally I would have said that feet tend to be more common (but not overwhelmingly so).  It is a misunderstanding to suggest that "modern British practice" is necessarily uniform in this matter.

 * I do not accept that the precision of measurements is necessarily affected by the use of imperial units. On the contrary, I believe that the above discussion demonstrates that the correct precision can be attained in either case, but that getting the precision right needs to be considered in all cases.

 * "Following the sources" is a red herring here: editors should be aware that source-based units have been proposed innumerable times at WT:MOSNUM by Michael Glass, and are routinely rejected out of hand. We are not required use the same units first as a given source does, any more than we are required to use the same variety of English as a given source does.

 * The case in policy for using feet first for mountain heights is this: WP:MOSNUM requires that "[n]ominal and defined quantities should be given in the original units first". A Munro is defined as a mountain in Scotland over 3000 feet, so that's what we say.  Every mountain height in this article is being implicitly compared to 3000 feet, and common sense would suggest that comparing 1344 metres with 3000 feet is illogical.  There are specific circumstances here that MOSNUM does not consider and all policy allows room to prevent a rule being used to override common sense where such circumstances apply. Kahastok talk 20:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I think it is important to follow reliable sources even in cases where the source values are not put first. As for the question of precision of measurements, 914.4m is exactly equivalent to 3 000 ft, so the Munro height could be presented equally precisely in either Imperial or metric measures. It doesn't quite work with some of the other measures, but considering the margin of error inf the measurements, this fact should not be exaggerated. The example of comparing 1344 metres with 3000 ft is a red herring because the equivalent in feet is given. However, readers of this article may well be interested in reading the exact height of a mountain as measured (say 914m) and also the margin of error (say, plus or minus 10cm. I think it could be argued that this is a defined value. As such, it's perfectly proper to put the source value in first place in this instance. Michael Glass (talk) 03:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

 * No, a defined value is a value that is defined as something. A value, in other words, that is used as a definition.  For example, the limit of an exclusive economic zone is 200 nautical miles.  For example, a Munro is a Scottish mountain higher than 3000 feet.  We can cite a measured value in metres or feet first - it is the same measurement in either case.  A mountain does not intrinsically have a measurement system of its own.

 * Your interpretation that you can effectively use that rule to replace every other rule in WP:UNITS - and common sense - with your own POV is very clearly not founded in either the spirit or the letter of policy.

 * That said, I am inclined on looking back at that case, to suggest that metres may be appropriate because we are explicitly citing the result of a specific survey. The measurement is not defined, but it may reasonably be described as an indirect quotation.  Whether that is sufficient to overcome the fact that all other mountain measurements in the article will be feet-first - well, I am not convinced.

 * That you might be able to exactly express 3000 feet in metric units is irrelevant. We can express any value exactly in either system.  If you think that there is an "exact height of a mountain as measured", then you're failing to understand that any measurement is inherently inexact.  The question in both systems is how much precision to use.

 * Given that the concept of a Munro is defined in feet, I see no particularly good reason overall why we should then go through all the mountains we're comparing with 3000 feet in metres first. It fails common sense, and is only likely to cause readers to pause and wonder why.  If the why is because we couldn't agree to apply common sense, we are failing as an encyclopædia. Kahastok talk 17:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I think that you are exaggerating the importance of the Munro being 3 000 feet high just because it was defined that way in 1891. Certainly, I believe that it's important to mention this fact, but as the same value can be expressed as 914.4m, this is equally as accurate. I suggest you look at Standard Gauge, where the definition changed from 4ft 8.5in to 1435mm. (Actually 1435mm is 0.1mm shorter, but it is well within the tolerance of railway gauges.) So if standard gauge can be expressed in two ways, so can the height of Munros. That being the case, I think we should look at practicalities. Is it more practical to express the value primarily in metric terms or in imperial? I'm inclined one way and you're inclined the other. So what I suggest we do is to stop arguing the toss about a non-existant difference and leave it to others to give their opinion - if they give a toss. Michael Glass (talk) 03:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Use Metric and Imperial, as seems to have been used in most mountain articles, i.e 555 metres (1821 feet). Mick Knapton (talk) 07:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Youngest completionist
The information about the youngest completionist is out of date. That should be Daniel Smith, who was 9 Will this username do? (talk) 18:44, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Compleat... vs. Complet...
The article mentions that The Scottish Mountaineering Club (SMC) "have attempted to popularise the archaic spelling of compleation" when used in conjunction with Munro bagging. The spelling is used by the SMC not only to describe the act of 'compleation' but also in other forms of the word related exclusively to Munro Bagging, such as 'compleatists' (those who have bagged Munros). As well as the SMC, other groups, organisations and interested parties who have adopted the spelling for that purpose include The Munro Society, walkhighlands.com and wildaboutscotland.com.

From what I have read, the SMC uses the modern spelling when the word does not grammatically modify or otherwise define a relationship with the act of Munro bagging, as in these examples:
 * "But Thomson himself was ... one to be relied on ''completely." (https://www.smc.org.uk/Gallery/SMC%20Pioneers/GT.php)
 * "... by early 2006 I was completely hooked on (bagging Munros)" (https://www.smc.org.uk/munros/munroist/5178)
 * "... up there alone where I felt completely at home." (https://www.smc.org.uk/journal/Journal2003.php)
 * "Completely revised and improved (October 2007)." (https://www.smc.org.uk/downloads/gps-data)

Because it is used exclusively and so widely in this sense, it seems appropriate to adopt the "compleat..." spelling for specific Munro acts whenever they are mentioned in the article. What do others think? Twistlethrop (talk) 23:26, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Musical Munro
Grant MacLeod, aka @munrobagpiper, is in the process of climbing all munros, with his bagpipe and playing a tune. 203.173.2.65 (talk) 20:36, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Notable completions: reported vs actual
I am a little worried about various references in the Notable Completions section, for example to the first Member of Parliament to complete the Munros, the first person to complete a winter round, the first to do a continuous self-propelled round, and so on.

The point is that we cannot know for sure who achieved these distinctions. We can only know who reported having done so. There must surely be many completers who never bothered to register with the SMC - or were unable to do so for one reason or another.

I am not suggesting that we delete the relevant references. But I wonder if the wording shouldn't be adjusted accordingly. For example, X became the first Member of Parliament known to complete the Munros; Y is the first person who reported completing a winter round; and so on. (Italics added here only to illustrate my point.)

I'm happy to make those changes, but I though I would get the views of other editors before jumping in.Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Disagree, fine if your source says that but adding the phrase "known" is considered WP:WEASEL wording and generally discouraged. WCM email 17:04, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Dan Cloutier

Daniel Cloutier (born April 22, 1976) is a Canadian former professional ice hockey goaltender. In his 10-year National Hockey League (NHL) career, Cloutier played with the New York Rangers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Vancouver Canucks and Los Angeles Kings, spending the majority of his career in Vancouver. He employed a combination of both butterfly and stand-up goaltending and was known for wearing the uncommon birdcage style helmet.

Cloutier played junior hockey in the Ontario Hockey League (OHL) for four seasons with the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds and Guelph Storm, making two Memorial Cup appearances in 1993 and 1996. Following his second OHL season, he was selected 26th overall by the Rangers in the 1994 NHL Entry Draft. He began his professional career spending time in the minor leagues with the Rangers' American Hockey League (AHL) affiliates, before joining the NHL team full-time in 1998–99. After three seasons playing within the Rangers organization, he was traded to the Lightning, where he spent one-and-a-half years.

In February 2001, he was acquired by the Canucks. Cloutier enjoyed his most successful years as an NHL goaltender with Vancouver, recording three consecutive 30-win seasons between 2001–02 and 2003–04. In the 2006 off-season, he was dealt to Los Angeles, where he struggled with injuries and a decline in play. His contract was bought out by the team following the 2007–08 season. As part of an attempted comeback in 2009, he first signed a deal to try out with the Detroit Red Wings at the team's training camp, then played briefly with the AHL's Rockford IceHogs, before retiring due to chronic injury problems. Internationally, Cloutier was part of two Canadian teams. He won a gold medal at the 1995 World Junior Championship and was a fourth-string goaltender at the 2001 IIHF World Championship.

After his time with the Kings, Cloutier served as an assistant coach to his older brother, Sylvain, with the Corpus Christi IceRays of the Central Hockey League for one season. Following his retirement, he became a goaltending coach for the Barrie Colts of the OHL.

Junior career
As a 15-year-old, Cloutier played Junior B with the St. Thomas Stars of the Western Ontario Hockey League (WOHL). He recorded a 5.83 goals against average (GAA) over 14 games in his lone season with the team in 1991–92.

The following season, Cloutier began a four-year career in the Ontario Hockey League (OHL), debuting with the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. He played in 12 games (4–6–0) with the Greyounds, recording a 4.62 GAA in the regular season. In the 1993 OHL playoffs, Cloutier appeared in an additional four games, winning one and losing two, as part of the Greyhounds' run to the J. Ross Robertson Cup Finals. Although they lost the league championship to the Peterborough Petes four-games-to-one, the Greyhounds still qualified for the 1993 Memorial Cup as the tournament's host team. The Greyhounds met the Petes again in the Memorial Cup final, defeating them by a 4–2 score. Cloutier did not appear in any Memorial Cup games, in lieu of starter Kevin Hodson. During his rookie season in the OHL, he also played in five games at the Junior A level with the Timmins Golden Bears of the Northern Ontario Junior Hockey Association.

Cloutier assumed the starting position with the Greyhounds in 1993–94, posting 28 wins, 14 losses and 6 ties, along with a 3.56 GAA and .890 save percentage. Appearing in an additional 14 playoff games, he led the Greyhounds to the OHL semifinals, where they were defeated by the Detroit Jr. Red Wings.

In the off-season, Cloutier was selected by the New York Rangers 26th overall in the 1994 NHL Entry Draft. He was the third-ranked goaltender playing in North America by the NHL Central Scouting Bureau and the fourth goaltender taken in the draft. Appearing in his first NHL training camp in September 1994, he was returned to the OHL by the middle of the month.

During his third junior season in 1994–95, Cloutier recorded a 4.41 GAA in 45 games (15–26–2). As a team, the Greyhounds struggled and finished out of the playoffs. In the off-season, Cloutier was signed by the Rangers to an NHL contract on July 7, 1995.

Despite his NHL contract, Cloutier remained in the OHL for the 1995–96 season. In his 12th game of the season with Sault Ste. Marie, he suffered a shoulder injury that sidelined him for two months. During his return to the lineup in a game against the Windsor Spitfires on January 2, 1996, he reaggravated the injury. While continuing to recover, he was dealt to the Guelph Storm at the trade deadline on January 10 in exchange for goaltender Andy Adams and two draft picks. Splitting the campaign between the Greyhounds and Storm, he recorded a 2.85 GAA in 30 games. As the Storm finished the season with lowest GAA in the league, Cloutier and backup Brett Thompson were jointly awarded the Dave Pinkney Trophy. Cloutier additionally received OHL Second All-Star Team honours. In the playoffs, he recorded a 3.14 GAA in 16 games. However, for the second time in four years, his team was defeated in the J. Ross Robertson Cup Finals by the Peterborough Petes. Despite losing the OHL title, Guelph earned a berth into the 1996 Memorial Cup as the OHL's representative; the Petes had an automatic bye into the tournament as the host team. The Storm lost all three of their round-robin games, failing to qualify for the Memorial Cup playoffs. Cloutier had a 4.00 GAA in the three contests.

Early career (1996–2001)
Cloutier began his professional career in 1996–97 with the Binghamton Rangers of the American Hockey League (AHL), New York's minor league affiliate. He assumed the starting position in Binghamton as a rookie, posting a 3.55 GAA and .892 save percentage to be named to the AHL All-Rookie Team. The following season, New York changed their AHL affiliate to the Hartford Wolf Pack; Cloutier was consequently moved to Hartford for the club's inaugural season in 1998–99. By late-December 1998, he earned a call-up to the Rangers as backup goaltender Jason Muzzatti was demoted to the Wolf Pack. At the time of his call-up, Rangers management established that although he would play backup to Mike Richter, they intended on giving him opportunities to play. In anticipation of Cloutier's NHL debut, the team's goaltending consultant, Sam St. Laurent, described his playing style as a combination of both butterfly and stand-up goaltending.

He appeared in his first NHL game on January 3, 1998, replacing Richter seven minutes into a contest against the Washington Capitals. Cloutier stopped all 16 shots he faced to record his first NHL victory by a 3–2 score. He made his first NHL start the following game against the Carolina Hurricanes on January 6, 1998. Stopping 26 shots, he helped the Rangers to a 4–2 win. He played 12 games total in 1998–99, backing Richter up for the remainder of the season, recording 4 wins, 5 losses and a tie with a 2.50 GAA and .907 save percentage. Perhaps his most well-known performance as a Ranger was during a game against the New York Islanders on April 4, 1998, in which he fought opposing goalie Tommy Salo. With seven minutes remaining in a 3–0 loss, several fights broke out between players. While Salo tried to intervene in a fight between the Rangers' P. J. Stock and Islanders' Mariusz Czerkawski, Cloutier attacked the Islanders goaltender. The subsequent goalie fight resulted in Cloutier repeatedly punching Salo in the back of the head before taking it upon himself to stop. He proceeded to skate towards the Islanders bench, challenging the opposing players before being restrained by a referee.

In the 1998 off-season, the Rangers signed goaltender Kay Whitmore who Cloutier competed with to retain his backup position. Whitmore spent the season in the minors as Cloutier was kept on the Rangers roster in 1998–99. Playing in his first full NHL season, Cloutier appeared in 22 games (6 wins, 8 losses, 3 ties) with a 2.68 GAA and .914 save percentage.

The following off-season, Cloutier was traded on the day of the 1999 NHL Entry Draft (June 26, 1999) to the Tampa Bay Lightning. He was sent to Tampa Bay, along with winger Niklas Sundstrom, a first-round selection (Nikita Alexeev) in 2000 and a third-round selection (subsequently traded) in 2000, for the Lightning's first-round selection in that year's draft (Pavel Brendl). With the departure of Tampa Bay's previous starter, Bill Ranford, to the Detroit Red Wings and Darren Puppa nearing the end of his career, Cloutier assumed the starting position for his new club. Cloutier's first season as an NHL starter was interrupted on several occasions with numerous injuries and a suspension. He suffered a strained groin early in the campaign on November 18, 1999, forcing him out of two games. On January 14, 2000, he was suspended by the league for four games after an incident with Islanders forward Tim Connolly. After the two collided, Cloutier cross-checked Connolly, then kicked his head (Connolly's helmet was intact) while he was lying face-down on the ice. The following month, he re-strained his groin on February 21 and missed four games. Cloutier missed another four contests beginning on March 14 after injuring his neck. His fourth injury of the season occurred on March 28, when he strained his medial collateral ligament (MCL) and missed five games. He finished the 1999–2000 season appearing in 52 games for the Lightning, recording 9 wins, 30 losses and 3 ties as the team finished second-last in the league. He registered a 3.49 GAA and .885 save percentage.

Injury troubles continued the following season, in 2000–01, as Cloutier was sidelined for nine games early in the season after straining his biceps on October 22, 2000. After recovering, he recorded his first NHL shutout, making 26 saves, in a 3–0 win against the Detroit Red Wings on December 2, 2000. He achieved the feat in his 95th career game in the NHL. During that month, head coach Steve Ludzik began playing backup Kevin Weekes in favour of Cloutier. By the trade deadline, Cloutier was dealt to the Vancouver Canucks on February 7, 2001, in exchange for defenceman Adrian Aucoin and a second-round selection in the 2001 draft.

Vancouver Canucks (2001–06)
Upon arriving in Vancouver, Cloutier began sharing starts with veteran goaltender Bob Essensa; the Canucks' third goaltender, Félix Potvin, was traded away to the Los Angeles Kings soon after Cloutier's acquisition. Playing in 16 games with the Canucks to close out the 2000–01 season, Cloutier recorded 4 wins, 6 losses and 5 ties, along with a 2.43 GAA and .894 save percentage. He joined the Canucks at the end of the season, during the playoff drive, when the Canucks barely made the playoffs. It would be their first playoffs in 5 seasons. They were the last placed team at 90 points, tied with the Phoenix Coyotes, who also ended the season with 90 points. However, the Canucks won one more game than the Coyotes (36 vs. 35) thus gaining the last playoff spot.

Playing the first-seeded Colorado Avalanche in the opening round, Cloutier made his first NHL post-season appearance in game one, stopping 23 of 28 shots in a losing effort. Having surrendered five goals, including the game-winner in the final minute after an ill-advised poke-check attempt, Essensa was given the start over Cloutier for the following two contests. After Essensa suffered a knee injury in game three, Cloutier was back in net for the fourth and final game of the series, a 5–1 loss. He had a 4.63 GAA and .842 save percentage in his first two career playoff games. Despite the Canucks' early playoff exit, Cloutier's addition to the team helped bolster a young and improving team led by such players as captain Markus Näslund, winger Todd Bertuzzi and defencemen Ed Jovanovski and Mattias Öhlund.

During the off-season, both Canucks goaltenders became free agents. Cloutier was re-signed on July 18, 2001, while Essensa agreed to a contract with the Buffalo Sabres. With Essensa's departure, Cloutier established himself as the team's starting goaltender in 2001–02. He notched his first shutout as a Canuck on October 13, 2001, in a 4–0 win against the Avalanche. The following month, Cloutier was named NHL Player of the Week on November 6, 2001. He earned a second such distinction near the end of the season on March 18, 2002. Eight days later, he recorded his seventh and final shutout of the campaign in a 4–0 win against the Los Angeles Kings, setting a new team record. His seven shutouts surpassed Gary Smith and Garth Snow's previous team record of six, accomplished in 1974–75 and 1998–99, respectively. Cloutier's mark was later surpassed by Roberto Luongo, who recorded nine shutouts in 2008–09. Cloutier finished his first full season with Vancouver posting 31 wins, 22 losses and 5 ties with a 2.43 GAA and .901 save percentage. He played in a career-high 62 games despite missing nine games in January and February 2002 with an ankle injury.

Entering the 2002 playoffs as the eighth seed for the second consecutive year, the Canucks faced the Presidents' Trophy-winning Detroit Red Wings in the opening round. With 32- and 34-save performances from Cloutier, the Canucks won the first two games of the series in Detroit. In game three, the Canucks and Red Wings were tied with a minute remaining in the second period when Red Wings defenceman Nicklas Lidström scored on Cloutier with a slapshot from centre ice. The goal was observed by the media as a turning point in the series for both Cloutier and the Canucks as a team. The Red Wings won game three, as well as the next three contests to eliminate the Canucks in six games; Cloutier was taken out of the game in the first period of the next two contests in favour of backup Peter Skudra.

Cloutier began the 2002–03 season by recording a shutout against the Calgary Flames on October 10, 2002. It marked the first time in Canucks history that the team began the season with a shutout win. In November 2002, Cloutier won 11 of 12 games, including a team record 10 straight games, while recording a 2.15 GAA and .920 save percentage. He was named NHL Player of the Month, becoming the fourth Canucks player in team history to receive the distinction. He suffered a setback in December 2002, when he missed three games with a knee injury. On February 17, 2003, he was named NHL Player of the Week for the third time in his career. Six days later, he recorded his 30th win of the season, becoming the first Canucks goaltender in team history to reach the plateau in back-to-back years. That same week, he suffered his second knee injury of the season and missed 10 games. He returned to the lineup by mid-March to finish the season with Vancouver. After the Canucks ranked in the eighth and final playoff spot in Cloutier's first two seasons with the team, Cloutier helped lead them to within one point of the Northwest Division title in 2002–03. In 57 games, he posted 33 wins, 16 losses and 7 ties with a 2.42 GAA and .908 save percentage. Cloutier won the first and only playoff series of his career in 2003 as the Canucks eliminated the St. Louis Blues in seven games. He made 33 saves in the deciding contest, a 4–1 win for Vancouver. Advancing to the second round against the Minnesota Wild, the Canucks took a three-games-to-one lead. With Vancouver needing one more win to eliminate the Wild, Cloutier was taken out of Game 5 in favour of rookie Alex Auld after allowing six goals on 21 shots through two periods. As both teams were leaving the ice at the start of the second intermission, opposing goaltender Dwayne Roloson bumped Canucks forward Trevor Linden, prompting Cloutier to challenge Roloson; Cloutier threw two punches towards Roloson and received minor penalties for roughing and for leaving his crease. With Cloutier on the bench for the third period, the Canucks lost 7–2. In the following two games, Cloutier allowed nine goals on 40 shots as the Wild completed a three-game comeback to eliminate the Canucks.

In the off-season, Cloutier was re-signed to a one-year, $2.5 million contract on July 15, 2003. Nearly two months into the subsequent season, Cloutier recorded his 100th career NHL win, making 31 saves in a 3–1 victory over the Ottawa Senators on November 27, 2003. As the season progressed, Cloutier suffered several more injuries, the first of which was a groin injury in December 2003 that sidelined him for three games. He missed three more games before the season ended with cases of the flu and a lower-body injury. On February 14, 2004, he was fined $1,000 by the league for hitting opposing forward Ronald Petrovický in the face with his blocker during a game against the Atlanta Thrashers.

Cloutier's regular season success with the Canucks continued in 2003–04, as he became the first goaltender in team history to record three consecutive 30-win seasons. Over 60 games, he recorded 33 wins, 21 losses and 6 ties. His 2.27 GAA, which established a Canucks team record (later surpassed by Roberto Luongo), and .914 save percentage were both career highs. In the opening round of the 2004 playoffs against the Calgary Flames, Cloutier suffered another injury, spraining his right ankle in the first period of game three. After Johan Hedberg initially replaced Cloutier, Alex Auld filled in for the final three games of the series; Vancouver was defeated in seven games.

As initial contract negotiations failed in the off-season, Cloutier filed for arbitration on July 16, 2004. Arbitration was avoided by both sides when Cloutier agreed to a one-year, $3 million contract 11 days later. Due to the 2004–05 NHL lockout, however, Cloutier spent the season mostly inactive until signing with EC KAC of the Austrian Hockey League on January 20, 2005. Replacing injured starter Andrew Verner, he appeared in 13 games with the Klagenfurt-based team, going undefeated with a 1.94 GAA. EC KAC finished the regular season second with the second-best record in the league. Cloutier appeared in 10 additional playoff games, recording a 2.75 GAA. EC KAC advanced to the finals, where they were defeated four-games-to-three by the Vienna Capitals.

With NHL play set to resume in 2005–06, Cloutier re-signed with the Canucks to a two-year, $5 million contract on August 18, 2005. Returning to the Canucks, he was injured early in the season during a game against the Avalanche on October 29, 2005. Attempting to check Avalanche forward Andrew Brunette, Canucks defenceman Nolan Baumgartner collided with Cloutier, causing a goal and forcing Cloutier out of the game with both a concussion and whiplash. The injury caused him to miss five games. Soon after returning, Cloutier was re-injured in a game against the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on November 20, when forward Rob Niedermayer skated into the crease and collided with Cloutier. He stayed in net to complete the game, a 3–2 win, and was on the bench the following game to backup Auld. However, after aggravating the knee in a practice on November 23, an MRI revealed a partially torn anterior cruciate ligament (ACL). Electing for reconstructive knee surgery, occurring on December 15, Cloutier missed the remainder of the season.

As the Canucks missed the playoffs in 2006, several changes were made to team personnel in the off-season. One such change included the acquisition of All-Star goaltender Roberto Luongo from the Florida Panthers. Shortly after Luongo was acquired, Cloutier was traded to the Los Angeles Kings on July 5, 2006, for a second-round draft pick in 2007 and a conditional pick in 2009. Cloutier finished his five-and-a-half-year tenure with the Canucks third on the team's all-time wins list with 109, behind Kirk McLean and Richard Brodeur, and second in shutouts with 14, behind McLean. In a 2012 interview following his retirement, Cloutier stated that he "loved playing in Vancouver the most" during his NHL career. He recalled the city's regeneration into a hockey market and described how the team went from playing home games that "seemed half full" to creating a "playoff game atmosphere every night."

Los Angeles Kings (2006–08)
Leading up to the 2006–07 season, Cloutier signed a two-year, $6.2 million contract extension with the Kings on September 27, 2006. He had one year, valued at $2.55 million, remaining on his existing contract, which was transferred over from the Canucks. Cloutier moved to the Kings alongside Head Coach Marc Crawford, who was hired by the team shortly after being let go by the Canucks in the 2006 off-season.

Cloutier made his Kings debut in the first game of the regular season, a 4–3 loss to the Anaheim Ducks on October 6, 2006. He made 28 saves on 32 shots. During his first week of the regular season, he suffered a hip injury, but continued playing on the insistence of team management. In retrospect, he later recalled that his "biggest mistake was playing hurt for them." The Kings organization also had Cloutier change his goaltender mask from the uncommon mask/cage style to the more traditional full-fibreglass style for safety and insurance purposes. After recording 6 wins in 24 games and a 3.98 GAA, Cloutier's hip forced him to end his season, aggravating it on December 23, 2006, in a 7–0 loss to the Nashville Predators.

At the time, the injury was still believed to be minor and Cloutier volunteered to continue playing in lieu of backup Mathieu Garon also being sidelined with a broken finger. When the pain in his hip quickly got worse, Cloutier appealed to team management. He saw a specialist who diagnosed him with a torn hip labrum and told him the injury could put his career in jeopardy. He was subsequently flown to Colorado for surgery on January 12, 2007. Cloutier remained in Colorado for ongoing treatment and was lodged by the organization in a motel 31 miles away from the clinic. The Kings' original insistence that he play and his subsequent lodging proved to be a contentious issue for Cloutier.

Having recovered from his injury, he returned for training camp in September 2007. He was assigned to the Kings' AHL affiliate, the Manchester Monarchs, after losing a roster spot to goaltenders Jason LaBarbera and Jonathan Bernier. During his stint with Manchester, Cloutier struggled to earn playing time, as younger goaltenders Jonathan Quick, Danny Taylor and Erik Ersberg were given more opportunity to play. At one point, he reported to the team's arena in preparation for a road trip, but was left in Manchester in favour of the team's other goaltenders. To Cloutier's surprise, he was recalled by Los Angeles on February 7, 2008, while Kings backup Jean-Sébastien Aubin was sent down in his place. After clearing re-entry waivers, he joined the Kings' roster to backup LaBarbera. Three days later, Cloutier started in goal against the Columbus Blue Jackets; he recorded his first NHL win in over a year, backstopping the Kings to a 3–2 shootout victory. After LaBarbera became sidelined with a groin injury, Cloutier began earning additional playing time with the Kings. On March 10, he played against the Canucks for the first time since being traded. He stopped 38 shots in a 2–1 overtime loss against his former teammates. Later that month, he suffered a groin injury and missed three games. Remaining with the Kings for the remainder of the 2007–08 season as backup to Ersberg, he recorded two wins in nine games with a 3.44 GAA and .887 save percentage.

In the subsequent off-season, Cloutier's remaining year on his contract was bought out by the Kings on June 21, 2008. As teams cannot buyout the contract of an injured player, Cloutier claimed he was not healthy and contested the move. However, the NHL ruled in favour of the Kings; the buyout stood and Cloutier became an unrestricted free agent. Consequently, he received $2 million over the next two years from the Kings.

Without an NHL job, Cloutier took up an assistant coaching position in the Central Hockey League (CHL) with his older brother Sylvain Cloutier, who had just been hired as head coach of the Corpus Christi IceRays.

Return to hockey and retirement (2009–10)
After remaining inactive for a season, Cloutier was offered a tryout with the Canucks for the team's 2009 training camp. Soon thereafter, he accepted another tryout offer from the Detroit Red Wings on September 4, 2009, sensing he had a better chance to secure a contract with the latter team. He was expected to compete with Jimmy Howard for the Wings' backup position. On September 21, Cloutier made his first and only pre-season appearance with the Red Wings, splitting a game with Wings prospect Daniel Larsson; he stopped all eight shots he faced in a 4–2 loss against the New York Rangers. While Red Wings General Manager Ken Holland said Cloutier "looked sharp" in his first NHL action since April 5, 2008, he also alluded to the media that the amount of goaltenders competing for spots within the Red Wings organization was a factor against the likelihood of him signing Cloutier. Three days later, he was officially released from the Red Wings.

Cloutier subsequently received several offers to play in Europe until signing a tryout contract with the Rockford IceHogs of the AHL in December 2009. He reportedly had received offers from two other North American teams, but chose Rockford as the best choice for his family. Cloutier made his IceHogs debut on December 6 against the Manitoba Moose, marking his return to professional hockey after 18 months. He played 26 minutes before receiving a match penalty for punching Moose player Guillaume Desbiens after the opposing forward collided with him in his crease. The following day, Cloutier was additionally suspended by the AHL for one game. After serving his ban, he recorded his first win the IceHogs against the Texas Stars on December 12. Cloutier began receiving interest from NHL teams, but his hip began acting up once again. By the end of the month, Cloutier and the IceHogs mutually agreed to terminate his tryout contract. He recorded one win and one loss in three games with the IceHogs, along with a 2.47 GAA and .893 save percentage. In a later interview, published on the Canucks' website in August 2010, Cloutier declared he was most likely retiring due to chronic injury troubles.

International play
During Cloutier's OHL career, he competed in the 1995 World Junior Championships. He went undefeated in three games with a 2.67 GAA to help Canada win a gold medal as the host country in Red Deer, Alberta. Cloutier missed a second opportunity to play for the Canadian national junior team the following year due to a shoulder injury suffered during OHL play.

On May 4, 2001, he was added to Team Canada's roster for the 2001 World Championships. One of four goaltenders on the roster, alongside Roberto Luongo, Jean-Sébastien Giguère and Fred Brathwaite, he did not appear in any games. Canada finished the tournament in fifth place.

Coaching career
Following his release from the Los Angeles Kings in 2008, Cloutier joined his brother Sylvain Cloutier's coaching staff on the Central Hockey League (CHL)'s Corpus Christi IceRays as a de facto assistant coach. He served in that capacity for the 2008–09 season until his failed attempt at an NHL return in 2009. In July 2010, Cloutier signed a one-year contract to become a part-time goaltending coach with the OHL's Barrie Colts.

Return to Canucks
In September 2012, Cloutier was hired by the Vancouver Canucks as a goaltending consultant, mostly to work with prospect goaltenders in the AHL's Chicago Wolves. On June 14, 2016, the Canucks announced that Cloutier had been named the team's goaltending coach During the 2018 off-season, former Canucks goaltending coach Ian Clark returned to the team and Cloutier was reassigned to be a development coach for Vancouver. On September 11, 2019, after one season in his new role, Cloutier left the organization for personal reasons.

Personal life
Cloutier was born to Ivan and Susan Cloutier in Mont-Laurier, Quebec. He moved with his family at a young age to Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, as a result of his father's work as a logger. Having grown up in both French and English communities, Cloutier is bilingual. Cloutier's older brother, Sylvain is also a hockey player who once captained the OHL's Guelph Storm. After a professional career with the Coventry Blaze in England, Sylvain became a head coach for the minor professional Corpus Christi IceRays of the CHL in 2008. He later served as a player-coach of the Hull Stingrays of the Elite Ice Hockey League.

As a youth, Cloutier played in the 1990 Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournament with a minor ice hockey team from Sault Ste. Marie. He was at one time on the same bantam team as another future NHL goaltender, Marty Turco. Like many Quebec-born goaltenders of his time, Cloutier patterned the butterfly elements of his playing style after Hall of Fame goaltender Patrick Roy.

Cloutier and his wife Nikki, have a daughter and a son together. Following his playing career, his family moved to Barrie, Ontario.

In November 2005, following Cloutier's season-ending ACL injury, a rumour began circling in the media that he was being investigated for a hit-and-run accident that killed two people outside a Gastown nightclub. Cloutier never commented on the record, while his agent later refuted the rumour, saying it was "absolutely untrue" and that Cloutier "was livid with that story."

International

 * Career statistics taken from Cloutier's TSN.ca profile.

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I don't see how this can be a copy violation as there was no written code of ethics before I pieced it together, as far as advertisement goes well you can't buy the book that it's from, and the file is public domain so that arguement is a dead end- at least that's what I think. The list reflects common concerns voiced by clients, piercing professionals and health departments nationwide, and it is open to debate, so debate it but please don't kill all the good that it presents.


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Ysgol Eirias

Ysgol Eirias, (English: Eirias School) is a secondary school situated in Colwyn Bay, in Conwy county borough, North Wales. The school has approximately 1600 pupils and over 120 teachers and staff. The school’s name is derived from its location, the grounds of Eirias Park. The current headteacher is Zoe Evans, taking over from Sarah Sutton, who took over from Phil McTague in 2017.

Houses
Ysgol Eirias has four houses. The houses are each named after a Prince of Wales adjoined to the name of a bird. Glyndwr Eagles, Llewelyn Hawks, Madog Kites and Gwynedd Falcons. Students are assigned to a house when joining the school based on their form group, and stay in that house throughout their school career.

Each house is assigned a colour, yellow, blue, red and green for Eagles, Hawks, Kites and Falcons, respectively. There are many Inter-house competitions for sports and art.

Uniform
At Ysgol Eirias, all students are required to wear complete and correct uniform. There are two separate designated uniforms, one for years 7-11 and one for the sixth form, as well as regulations on PE kits.

In years 7-11 students must wear black trousers or a black skirt, a white shirt or blouse, a maroon jumper bearing the school crest, black school shoes, and black or white socks. A wide variety of ties are worn by students.

 * Most commonly, the standard year 7-11 tie, which is black with silver and maroon stripes, and a thinner stripe in the student's respective house colour.
 * The Sports Colour, which is a black tie with a thick diagonal stripe in the students' house colour with a circular dragon and the initials EHS in black in the middle
 * The Music Tie, which is awarded by the music department to students who have shown commitment to extra-curricular music in school and represented the County. The tie includes a large, diagonal stripe with the dragon and initials, as shown on the sports tie, and a staff pattern bearing a treble clef underneath.

One of the school rules that prohibits the wearing of outdoor clothes attracted press attention during the local cold spell in December 2010.

The PE kit bears the school crest, and must be bought through the school, and consists of a while polo short bearing the crest and black shorts for indoor activities, a red/black rugby shirt, long black socks and black shorts for boys and black jogging bottoms or games skirt and a red sweatshirt for girls for outdoor activities.

Sixth form uniform is identical to the uniform worn by students in year 7-11, except with a black jumper and sixth form tie. The sixth form tie is similar to the sports tie, except the diagonal stripe bearing the dragon emblem is an outline and is not filled solidly.

After long discussion, the senior members of the school's staff introduced a ban on all outdoor jackets, although a ban on indoor jackets is vague. This has been responded with high praise within the school from both pupil, parents and inspectors.

Eirias is known famously in the area for being a "No Hat School", this rule being enforced by many respected members of the school's faculty.

YouTube data protection breach
In December 2010, a teacher at the school uploaded a video onto a school-owned account on the video-sharing website YouTube. The video was a screen recording of him demonstrating using the school's management system to record a behaviour incident, and included the name, home address, parents' contact details, photograph and confidential records of attendance and behaviour for a year 11 boy at the school.

The video went unnoticed until 31 January 2011, when complaints were submitted by an anonymous individual simultaneously to the school's governors, Conwy County Borough Council education authority, General Teaching Council for Wales, Department for Education and the Information Commissioner's Office; the video was removed. Local television covered the story heavily and the boy's family received an apology and the investigation by the ICO resulted in a formal warning on the condition the school improved its data security arrangements.

School Report Hacking Incident
A sixth form and 5th year pupil, Matthew Higgins & Michael Rowlands were accused of hacking into their school computer system and Higgins, attempting to do it again two months later, had been found guilty. Higgins always denied securing unauthorised access to computer data at the school while Rowlands openly admitted it, despite never being charged.

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Talk:Kererū

Stars named after Kererū
A group of editors from the Wellington Wikipedia Meetup are collaborating in order to improve this article with the intention of hopefully regaining a Good Article status. In anticipation I just thought I'd point out to fellow editors this news article about how a start was named after the Kererū. - Ambrosia10 (talk) 03:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I've added a section and information on this Ambrosia10 (talk) 21:21, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Photo gallery
I contacted Kereru Discovery Project, to ask about some images that I had seen posted recently on a Facebook page. I was delighted to get a response in only one hour, and they uploaded the images to Commons. I have included a couple of these images in the photo gallery I have added near the bottom of the article. They are really supportive, and I will keep them posted with progress.Marshelec (talk) 08:15, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

 * That's such great news! What a fabulous result. Ambrosia10 (talk) 21:12, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Fruit pigeon ?
The first sentence under description currently says: The kererū is a large, 550 –, arboreal fruit-pigeon.

Looking at the separate article Fruit dove, I see it has a redirect from Fruit pigeon, but none of the species listed in that article is Hemiphaga. This leads me to wonder if either (a) the description of Kereru as "fruit pigeon" is not fully appropriate, or (b) the article Fruit dove needs some work to include Hemiphaga. Perhaps it would be simpler to leave the classification to the taxonomy section, and just call it an arboreal pigeon ?Marshelec (talk) 22:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I agree with what you've suggested User:Marshelec and have therefore removed "fruit-" and just left it as "arboreal pigeon". -Ambrosia10 (talk) 02:59, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed structure of article
I am studying the featured articles highlighted in the Wikiproject Birds and have come up with this proposed structure of the article to hopefully help guide improvements by the Wellington Wikipedia Meetup group. Other editors, please feel free to edit and add detail.

Name

Taxonomy

Description - including of the egg, chick/juvenile & adult, including any difference between male & female of species.

Distribution - historic and current

Habitat - preferred habitat of the species

Ecology and behaviour - Have subsections on breeding, feeding and longevity. Include such things as flight description, ability to eat large fruits of endemic plant species etc.

Predators and parasites

Conservation - information on history of the conservation of species and then current conservation status. Possible subsection on citizen science projects aiming to protect or conserve the species.

In Māori culture (is there a better title for this section?) possibly "relationship to humans" - as taonga; as food; etc

Etymology - this was discussed during a Wellington Wikipedia meeting and the group decided this section should renamed

Ambrosia10 (talk) 22:58, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Looks good to me. A possible alternative approach to the heading "In Māori culture" is to use "Relationship with humans".  An example of this heading is in the FA Song thrush and some other FA bird articles I looked at.  If this approach was adopted, there could be sub-headings "As taonga", "As food", "In Māori mythology", "Citizen science projects" and "Bird of the year".  Plus I have just found that an image of the kererū was on the 3rd series of our $20 banknote .  That could also be mentioned in this section if the heading was changed. Marshelec (talk) 23:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I like this proposal. I could slot in "In archaeological sites" before or after "in Māori mythology".--Gertrude206 (talk) 06:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it worthwhile making web archive copies of all the sources that aren't yet archived ? I know this is probably not essential for preparing this article for GA review, but I could get started on archiving if that would be generally helpful.  Which ones can be left because they are in enduring, stable platforms ??  (eg JSTOR perhaps ?) Marshelec (talk) 22:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to. There is a "bot" that automatically does this for Wikipedia article references. Unfortunately not every website can be archived by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine as some webpages don't allow this. What I have already done is link those that have been archived and double check those that appeared not to have been archived. And yes, some I haven't bothered to check as they are in stable platforms with (hopefully!) stable url links. The links that are "bare" are because I couldn't find either a url nor an archived version of a url for the publication. If you do manage to track anything down about those particular references I'd be VERY grateful! Ambrosia10 (talk) 22:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cool. I have just found another nice source that itself has useful citations.  I will need to go into the Alexander Turbull Library to find one of these, from the Ornithological Society of NZ News from 1993 that has details of the display flight behaviour associated with courtship (I have witnessed this behaviour myself many times - it is really impressive).  This will hopefully help me to improve the content on that topic that is weak at present.Marshelec (talk) 23:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I was also able to (eventually) contact the copyright owner of a great video clip showing courtship behaviour, and get this uploaded into Commons so I could incorporate it into the article. I think this is a useful addition - the video shows almost exactly the behaviour that was described in the content. :) The video clip is now in the section on breeding: Kererū. Marshelec (talk) 04:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Exoplanet (incorrectly?) named after Kererū
The article claims that an exoplanet was named Kererū after the bird but the linked article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_137388) says it was named karaka after the plant. 222.153.46.32 (talk) 20:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 * The star is called Karaka and the planet is called Kererū  Draco  phyllum  20:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Adding pronunciation (IPA, phonetic, or a spoken audio file) would be helpful, because many kiwis pronounce the R sounds as an ordinary vowel, but I believe it's a properly trilled yielding something like Kededu. Please correct me if I'm wrong though. Because then I'd have been mispronouncing the name of this fine fellow for years.

Chairs Adam Friedland's Soiled White Pants (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Apologies meant "R" instead of "vowel" in above comment. Also see the early romanisation of Kerikeri - arguably much closer in correct pronunciation. Crazy how something so simple as spelling can change language. Anyway Adam Friedland's Soiled White Pants (talk) 10:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Carey (song)

"Carey" is a song from the 1971 Joni Mitchell album Blue. It was inspired by her time spent with Cary Raditz, living with a cave-dwelling hippie community at Matala, on the Greek island of Crete.

Background
In early 1970, Mitchell's relationship with Graham Nash had recently ended, and she decided to fly to Greece for a break, with a female friend. Mitchell's European travels, which also encompassed France and Spain, were intended as a "time out" from her increasing fame and fortune in the music business. After a few days in Athens the two friends traveled to Crete, rented a car and drove to Matala on the south coast of the island. There, Mitchell met a red-haired cane-carrying American, Cary Raditz, who was working as a cook at the Mermaid café (now the site of the Petra & Votsalo restaurant). She wrote the first version of "Carey" in Matala, for Raditz's 24th birthday. After about two months, she and Raditz traveled to Athens together, but Mitchell then flew alone to Paris, where she wrote "California", referring to Raditz as a "red, red rogue", and on returning to the U.S. completed "Carey" together with other songs for the Blue album.

Although the song was sometimes rumoured to be about fellow singer-songwriter James Taylor, who plays guitar on some Blue tracks (although not on "Carey" itself) and with whom Mitchell had a brief affair, Mitchell stated publicly that the "Carey" in question was Cary Raditz. References to the village of Matala and the al fresco hippie lifestyle abound in the song lyrics. Mitchell frequently introduced live performances of "Carey" by recounting anecdotes about Raditz and their Cretan adventures.

In November 2014, The Wall Street Journal published interviews by Marc Myers with Mitchell and Raditz, about the background to the song. Mitchell said that she "latched on to Cary because he seemed fierce and kept the crowd off my back...   I enjoyed Cary's company, and his audacity....[h]e was a bit of a scoundrel." Raditz said that his "cane" had in fact been a discarded shepherd's crook, and commented: "I liked Joni a lot and didn't like losing her company. But on the road, you already know the friendships you develop are short-lived.  That's built into the experience."

Recording and release
While in Europe, Mitchell taught herself to play the Appalachian dulcimer, which was to become a feature of her musical output in the following years. Her dulcimer skills were first showcased on Blue and in particular the original recording of "Carey", which also features Stephen Stills on bass and acoustic guitar. "Carey" was released as a single, debuting at number 93 on the Billboard Chart on September 4, 1971 and lasting just one week; nevertheless, it remains one of Mitchell's most enduring and popular songs.

In 1971 Record World called it "a tune that others are sure to record."

Personnel
According to the liner notes:
 * Joni Mitchell – production, Appalachian dulcimer, guitar, vocals
 * Russ Kunkel – drums
 * Stephen Stills – bass and guitar

Albums
"Carey" appears on two Joni Mitchell greatest hits albums – Hits (1996) and Dreamland: The Very Best of Joni Mitchell (2004).

Mitchell herself performed a different interpretation of Carey on her 1974 live album Miles of Aisles. Backed by jazz band Tom Scott & The LA Express, and recorded at the Universal Amphitheater in Los Angeles, this reggae/ska version has been criticised by Stephen Davis in Rolling Stone, who went so far as to say that the song was "murdered".

Cover versions
In 1972, actress Goldie Hawn recorded her version of the song for her album Goldie (Warner MS 2061). Kiki Dee issued a live version of the song on her 1995 album Almost Naked. At the televised 2000 tribute concert to Mitchell, held at the Hammerstein Ballroom, New York, the song was performed by Cyndi Lauper.

At the Library of Congress Gershwin Prize concert in 2023 honoring Mitchell, Carey was performed by Marcus Mumford as the opening number, with Raditz in attendance in the audience.

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Tafilah

Tafilah (الطفيلة, ), also spelled Tafila, is a city with a population of 27,559 people in southwestern Jordan, located 183 km southwest of Amman. It is the capital of Tafilah Governorate. It is well known for having green gardens which contain olive and fig trees, and grape-vines. Tafilah was first built by the Edomites and was called Tophel.

There are more than 360 natural springs in the Tafilah nahia, including the natural reservoir of Dana and hot natural springs at Afra and Burbeita. There are two phosphate and limestones mines in the Tafilah nahia, which are one of the country's main income sources.

Iron Age to Crusader period
The oldest state formation in Tafilah and South Jordan was the kingdom of Edom, and Tafilah lies on the ruins of the Edomite city of Tophel. The capital of Edom was Bozrah, now known as Busairah, 23 km to the south of Tafilah. Tafilah was later annexed by the Nabatean kingdom, which had its capital at Petra. Following the Roman invasion, it was ruled by the Ghassanids, under Byzantine authority. Tafilah then came under Muslim rule, interrupted for a brief period of time by Crusader rule.

Arab Revolt against Ottoman rule
During the Arab Revolt, in January 1918, Tafilah and the region around it were captured in the Battle of Tafilah, thanks to what was described as a "brilliant feat of arms", by Arab troops under the command of T.E. Lawrence, Jaafar Pasha Al-Askari, and Prince Zeid bin Hussein.

Population
In 1961, there were 4,506 inhabitants in Tafila. By 2015, the population had grown to 27,559, resulting in a growth rate of 512.5% from 1961 to 2015.

Education
There is one university in Tafilah, Tafila Technical University. Founded in 1986 as a university college, it expanded to a university in 2005. The university as of the academic year 2009/2010 includes six colleges.

Districts
The city of Tafilah is organized into six districts:
 * Ayes (منطقة العيص)
 * Baqee' (منطقة البقيع)
 * Wadi Zaid (منطقة وادي زيد)
 * Aima (منطقة عيمة)
 * Al Hussein (منطقة الحسين )
 * Ain Baida (منطقة العين البيضاء)
 * Mansoura (منطقه المنصورة)

Agriculture
The region's economy depends partially on agriculture. The towns in the governorate are mostly located at elevations exceeding 1000m above sea level, with Tafilah at 940m above sea level, and the governorate receives an average annual rainfall of 240 mm.

Natuaral Resources
Tafilah Governorate is rich in natural resources. Reserves in the governorate are estimated at one million tons of copper and half a million tons of manganese, and phosphate. Which Tafilah and Jordan economy depends on.

Tourism
Although Tafilah is rich in history, it attracts fewer tourists compared to other Jordanian cities. The main reason is that Tafilah is off the major tourist routes and highways that do not pass through or near the city. The two main highways connecting northern and southern Jordan through Tafilah Governorate are the Jordan Valley Highway (Highway 65) and the Desert Highway (Highway 15) which are far from Tafilah City; to reach Tafilah from the Desert Highway, travelers must take Tafilah Highway (Highway 60) west at Jurf Al Darawish.

Tafilah and its surrounding areas offer several interesting tourist attractions:
 * Afra Hot Springs: Located northwest of Tafilah City, about 12 km away.
 * Dana Biosphere Reserve: With a history dating back hundreds of years, this site offers a unique experience as it is home to 703 plant species, 215 species of birds, 38 species of mammals and endangered species like the Nubian Ibex. Vistors can stay at hotels or camps nearby the site.
 * Khirbet Al Darieh: Located north of Tafilah City, beside the King's Highway (Highway 35), about 9 km away.
 * Sela' Castle,also known as Ruins of Sela: Near the district of Ain Al Baida, about 3 km km away.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KPX

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. jni 16:26, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

KPX
Multinational (?) business, but it doesn't google (600 hits, most of which unrelated) Radiant! 12:48, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Advertising, self promotion -- it's just a bike dealership -- not notable. Delete.  HowardB 16:38, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. KPX Motors is an importer/distributor — Alexa only gives it a rank of 197,151, so it's not a big one, and Google is only giving me 211 hits, so it's not well known. Hardly enough of a distribution phenomenon to be called notable. HyperZonktalk 17:41, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing notable. Just self-promotion. Zzyzx11 20:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * delete' Yuckfoo 04:11, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Are radio stations inherently notable? Because there's nothing notable in the article. Radiant! 12:48, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Deficiencies in an article have absolutely nothing to do with the notability of the subject.  The station has been in operation since 1919 and in just a few minutes of casual looking I've already found a some interesting stuff to add. --iMeowbot~Mw
 * Keep — it's undoubtedly of local interest, and is much better than most of the radio station articles I've seen. — RJH 18:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and mark as a stub like some of the other radio station pages. Zzyzx11 20:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article does not establish notability. Megan1967 23:04, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, licensed radio stations are part of a larger system. --SPUI (talk) 00:05, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Are radio stations inherently notable? Because there's nothing notable in the article. Radiant! 12:49, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
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1837 in sports

1837 in sports describes the year's events in world sport.

Boxing
Events
 * With James Burke now operating in America, attention shifts to the upcoming Ben Caunt and William "Bendigo" Thompson who each win two fights in 1837, but there remains no resolution to the English title issue.

Cricket
Events England
 * Kent is the most successful team and this marks the beginning of a great period in the county's history till1849. Mainstays of the Kent team in these years include Alfred Mynn, Fuller Pilch, Nicholas Felix, Ned Wenman and William Hillyer.
 * Most runs – Fuller Pilch 372 @ 26.57 (HS 84)
 * Most wickets – William Lillywhite 99 @ 8.65 (BB 10–?)

Horse racing
England
 * Grand National – The Duke
 * 1,000 Guineas Stakes – Chapeau d'Espagne
 * 2,000 Guineas Stakes – Achmet
 * The Derby – Phosphorus
 * The Oaks – Miss Letty
 * St. Leger Stakes – Mango

Rowing
The Boat Race
 * The Oxford and Cambridge Boat Race is not held this year

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Tony Jacklin

Anthony Jacklin CBE (born 7 July 1944) is an English golfer. He was the most successful British player of his generation, winning two major championships, the 1969 Open Championship and the 1970 U.S. Open. He was also Ryder Cup captain from 1983 to 1989; Europe winning two and tying another of these four events.

After a brief amateur career, Jacklin turned professional at the start of 1962 and in 1963 was chosen by Henry Cotton as his Rookie of the Year. In 1967 he won two tournaments on the British PGA circuit and he finished fifth, behind Roberto De Vicenzo, in the Open Championship. That year he also made the first televised hole-in-one, made his debut in the 1967 Ryder Cup and qualified for the 1968 PGA Tour. He had a successful first season on the PGA Tour, winning the Jacksonville Open and finishing 29th in the money list. Jacklin won the 1969 Open Championship at Royal Lytham in July, two strokes ahead of Bob Charles. He won the 1970 U.S. Open at Hazeltine, finishing 7 strokes ahead of the runner-up. In 1972 he won again on the PGA Tour, taking the Greater Jacksonville Open after a playoff. He also won the Viyella PGA Championship at Wentworth, and came close to winning the Open Championship, when he lost to Lee Trevino after Trevino had chipped in at the 71st hole, while Jacklin three-putted from 15 feet. Jacklin chose not to play on the PGA Tour in 1973 and 1974, playing mostly on the European Tour where he won three times. In early 1975 he moved to Jersey for tax reasons and returned to the PGA Tour. However, he had less success than previously and again dropped off the tour. He returned to the European tour, playing on that tour until 1984. After turning 50, Jacklin played on the Senior PGA Tour from 1994 to 1997, winning twice. He also played on the European Seniors Tour.

Jacklin played in seven successive Ryder Cup matches from 1967 to 1979. He was never on the winning side, although the 1969 contest was tied. Later he was the European Ryder Cup captain from 1983 to 1989; Europe winning two and halving another of these four events.

Early life
Jacklin was born on 7 July 1944 in the town of Scunthorpe, North Lincolnshire, the son of Arthur and Doris Jacklin. He had a sister Lynn. His father was a lorry driver and introduced Jacklin to golf. Jacklin attended Henderson Avenue Primary School in the town, and later the Doncaster Road Secondary School, Doris died in 1992, while Jacklin's father Arthur died in 1996.

Amateur career
Jacklin won the Lincolnshire junior championship four times, from 1958 to 1961. In 1958 he won with a 36-hole gross score of 162, playing off a handicap of 12. By August 1961 he had a handicap of 3 and won for the fourth successive time, with a score of 138, 20 strokes ahead of the runner-up. Later in the month Jacklin competed in the Boys Amateur Championship at Dalmahoy. He was selected for two team matches before the championship, competing for a combined England and Scotland team against the Continent of Europe and, the following day, for England in their annual boys match against Scotland. In the boys championship itself, he lost at the last-64 stage to Hans-Hubert Giesen. Jacklin won the Lincolnshire Open in September 1961, 8 strokes ahead of the runner-up. His father also competed in the event.

1962 to 1967 – Early professional career
At the start of 1962 Jacklin turned professional, becoming an assistant to Bill Shankland at Potters Bar Golf Club. Jacklin qualified for the 1963 Open Championship at Royal Lytham. He played at Fairhaven where 39 places were available. Jacklin had rounds of 77 and 70 to qualify; those on 148 had to play off for places. In the championship itself Jacklin had rounds of 73 and 72 to make the cut comfortably and then had rounds of 76 and 74 on the last day to finish in a tie for 30th place. Later in 1963 he reached the last-32 of the News of the World Match Play before losing to Malcolm Gregson at the 20th hole, and was runner-up, with Gregson, in the Coombe Hill Assistants' Tournament. At the end of 1963 he was chosen by Henry Cotton as his Rookie of the Year. Having been runner-up in 1963, Jacklin won the 1964 Coombe Hill Assistants' Tournament, a stroke ahead of Adrian Sadler. The event was played at Hill Barn near Worthing. He also had good performance in the Blaxnit (Ulster) Tournament which was played in Belfast. Jacklin finished tied for 3rd place after a last round 65.

Jacklin played in South Africa in early 1965 but had little success. He received an entry into the 1965 Carling World Open, played in the United States in August, which had a $35,000 first prize. Jacklin made the cut, finished tied for 35th place and won $1,000 in prize money. However weather meant that the event did not finish until the Monday and Jacklin was due to play in the Gor-Ray Cup, the Assistants' Championship, the following day, at Hartsbourne. Jacklin arranged a late tee-off time and, after opening rounds of 73 and 74. he had two rounds of 68 on the final day and won the championship after a sudden-death playoff. The following week he reached the semi-finals of the News of the World Match Play and in October he was third in the Piccadilly Medal. Jacklin finished the season 12th in the Order of Merit.

In early 1966 Jacklin made his second visit to South Africa. The visit was more successful that his first, with a third place finish in the South African Masters and a joint victory in the Kimberley 4000 Tournament, to put him in 4th place in the money list with £903. In 1966 Jacklin won the Blaxnit (Ulster) Tournament by 5 strokes and was runner-up in the Rediffusion Tournament in Jersey. He finished 5th in the Order of Merit and won £2,715 on the circuit. Jacklin was selected, together with Peter Alliss, for the England team for the 1966 Canada Cup in Japan, the pair finishing in 10th place. He then travelled to New Zealand to play on the circuit there. He was runner-up in the Wattie's Tournament behind Bob Charles, and was a joint winner, with Charles, of the Forest Products Tournament. He finished 5th in the prize money list with £905. Jacklin stayed in New Zealand and won the 1967 New Zealand PGA Championship in early January, beating Martin Roesink by 6 strokes in an 18-hole playoff. He then played in a few events in Australia, where he was joint third in the Victorian Open, before playing a number of events on the 1967 Far East Circuit, including a runner-up finish in the Thailand Open, before travelled to the United States to play in the 1967 Masters for which he had received an invitation. Jacklin was tied for 7th place after three rounds but a final round 77 dropped him into a tie for 16th place.

Jacklin won twice on the 1967 British PGA circuit, the Pringle of Scotland Tournament and the Dunlop Masters, and he finished 5th, behind Roberto De Vicenzo, in the 1967 Open Championship. In the Dunlop Masters he had a hole-in-one at the 16th hole of the final round, televised live. He played a few events on the PGA Tour and finished tied for 7th in the Carling World Open in Canada. In early October, Jacklin played in the 1967 PGA Tour Qualifying School, an 8-round event with 30 places available for the 1968 PGA Tour. Early rounds of 74-76-76 left him down the field, 18 strokes behind the leader, but he improved his position over the last 5 rounds and finished tied for 11th place, 12 shots behind the winner Bobby Cole. The following week he played in his first Ryder Cup. Selection for the 1967 Ryder Cup team was based on a points system using performances in 1966 and 1967, finishing after the 1967 Open Championship. Jacklin was in 5th place, to get a place in the 10-man team. The United States won the match by 15 points. Jacklin played with Dave Thomas on the opening two days, winning two and halving another of their matches. Jacklin played in both singles sessions on the final day, losing them both.

1968 – PGA Tour
Jacklin played most of 1968 on the PGA Tour. He played regularly until the end of June and then returned to play a number of events in August. Early in the year he finished tied for 10th place in the Bing Crosby National Pro-Am and tied for 8th in the Tucson Open. In March in Florida he had more success, finishing tied for 4th in the Florida Citrus Open, joint runner-up in the Pensacola Open and winner of the Jacksonville Open in successive weeks. It was the first win by a British player in an important American event since the 1920s. His win earned him $20,000 and he also won the prize for the lowest aggregate score in the four Florida events. He finished tied for 22nd place in the Masters and had further top-10 finishes in the Tournament of Champions and the Cleveland Open. He finished the season 29th in the official money list with $58,495. Jacklin returned to Britain in July and finished tied for 18th in the Open Championship at Carnoustie. He failed to qualify for the U.S. Open after a second round 82 in his qualifying event, and didn't play in the PGA Championship, which was played the week after the Open. In October Jacklin made his debut in the Piccadilly World Match Play Championship, losing to Gary Player in the semi-finals, at the 37th hole.

1969 – Open Champion
The 1969 Open Championship was held at Royal Lytham in July. He had rounds of 68-70-70-72 for a total of 280, 5-under-par. Bob Charles was two strokes behind with Roberto De Vicenzo and Peter Thomson a further stroke back. All the four players scored 72 on the final day. Jacklin was the first British winner of The Open since 1951,

Jacklin was involved in one of the most memorable moments in Ryder Cup history at Royal Birkdale in the 1969 Ryder Cup, which ended in a tie. Six places in the team were allocated to the leaders of a points list after the 1969 Open Championship. Jacklin was one of the other six that were chosen by committee the following week. Jacklin played in all four pair sessions on the opening two days, winning three matches and halving the other, He played Jack Nicklaus in two singles matches on the final day, winning the morning match 4&3. In the afternoon match Jacklin made an eagle putt on the 17th to level the match. At the final hole, Nicklaus conceded Jacklin's two-foot putt, halving the match, and ending the Ryder Cup with a tied score. "The Concession" ended with the two golfers walking off the course with arms around each other's shoulders. Jacklin and Nicklaus later co-designed a golf course in Florida called "The Concession" to commemorate the moment.

In the first half of 1969 Jacklin largely repeated his 1968 schedule, playing most weeks on the PGA Tour. However he had less success, with a tie for 8th place in the Doral Open and ties for 5th place in the Western Open and the Kemper Open. That year Jacklin made his first appearances in the U.S. Open, although he had to qualify for the event, and in the PGA Championship, which was played at a later date than in 1968. He finished tied for 25th place in both tournaments. He returned to the PGA tour in mid-October to play in the Sahara Invitational and had another 5th place finish. He won $3,850, a sum that lifted him to 60th in the official money list with $33,036 and meant he was exempt from qualifying for PGA Tour events in 1970.

1970 – U.S. Open Champion
In 1970 Jacklin won his second major title, the U.S. Open by seven strokes on a windblown Hazeltine National Golf Club course. The win gave him a 10-year exemption from pre-qualifying for PGA Tour events.

As previously Jacklin played on the PGA Tour in the first half of the year. He had a number of high finishes. He lost in a playoff to Pete Brown in the Andy Williams San Diego Open after taking a bogey five at the first playoff hole. He was tied for 8th place in the Doral-Eastern Open, tied for 4tn in the Monsanto Open, third in the Greater Jacksonville Open and joint runner-up in the Tournament of Champions. The also had a good finish in the 1970 Masters Tournament, finishing tied for 12th place. He returned to the tour in August but performed badly, missing the cut in the PGA Championship. He finished the year at 20th place in the money list with $87,859. Defending his title, Jacklin finished solo 5th in the 1970 Open Championship at St Andrews, three strokes behind the leaders. He had some success in Europe towards the end of the year. He was runner-up to Christy O'Connor in the John Player Classic, winning £10,000, won the W.D. & H.O. Wills Tournament, lost to Jack Nicklaus in the semi-final of the Piccadilly World Match Play and won the Lancome Trophy. He also played with Peter Butler in the World Cup in Argentina, the English team finishing tied for 7th place.

1971 and 1972
Jacklin played on the PGA Tour in the first half of 1971, but had less success that previously. His only top-10 finish was tied for 7th place in the Greater Greensboro Open. He finished the year with winnings of $19,977, leaving him in 102nd place in the money list. Jacklin again did well in the Open Championship at Royal Birkdale, finishing solo third, two stroke behind the winner, Lee Trevino. On the British circuit he won the Benson & Hedges Festival in August, beating Peter Butler in a playoff. Jacklin was again a committee choice for the Ryder Cup team in St. Louis. Jacklin played twice with Brian Huggett on the opening day, winning one match and halving the other, as the team took a narrow lead. However the United States dominated the second day and won comfortably. Jacklin partnered Peter Oosterhuis in the 1971 World Cup in Florida, the England team finishing tied for 6th place.

In 1972 Jacklin had a much better season on the PGA Tour, compared to 1971. He was tied for 6th place in the Bing Crosby National Pro-Am before being tied for 4th in both the Phoenix Open and the Jackie Gleason's Inverrary Classic in successive weeks. He then won the Greater Jacksonville Open after a playoff against John Jacobs. Jacobs failed to make a par at the first extra hole. It was Jacklin's second win in the event. He was tied for 7th in the Greater Greensboro Open, the weeks before the Masters. He finished the season in 35th place in the money list with $65,976.

Jacklin suffered a devastating near-miss in the 1972 Open Championship at Muirfield. Tied for the lead with playing partner Lee Trevino playing the 71st hole, Jacklin had a straightforward 15-foot birdie putt on the par-5 hole, while Trevino was not yet on the green after four struggling strokes. But Trevino holed a difficult chip shot, and Jacklin took three putts, leaving him one shot behind. Trevino parred the final hole to win, but Jacklin bogeyed, finishing third behind Jack Nicklaus. Jacklin was just 28 years old at the time, but never seriously contended again in a major championship. In 2013, Jacklin said of his experience in the 1972 Open: "I was never the same again after that. I didn't ever get my head around it – it definitely knocked the stuffing out of me somehow."

After the Open Championship, Jacklin played in a number of events in Europe. He was runner-up in the Swiss Open but then withdrew from the PGA Championship. He won the Viyella PGA Championship by 3 strokes from Peter Oosterhuis, and had three other top-5 finishes in British tournaments including being runner-up to Bob Charles in the Dunlop Masters. At the end of the year Jacklin was in Australia for the 1972 World Cup. Playing with Guy Hunt the England team finished in 6th place. The previous week he had won the Dunlop International at Yarra Yarra.

1973 and 1974 – European Tour
Jacklin had a poor start to the 1973 PGA Tour and was disqualified in the Dean Martin Tucson Open in January, after failing to enter a score for the final hole. He largely gave up playing on the PGA Tour until the end of 1974. He continued to play in major championships, but In 1973 he only played one other event on the tour, to defend the Greater Jacksonville Open, and only two in 1974. His money winnings were $7,182 in 1973 and $2,041 in 1974, leaving him in 167th and 215th places. He player more extensively on the European Tour in those two seasons.

In February 1973 Jacklin played on the Caribbean Tour, a short series of four tournaments. He was runner-up to Peter Oosterhuis in the Ford Maracaibo Open, and in the last event he won the Los Lagartos Open with a score of 261, 13 strokes ahead of the field. It was the third lowest score ever by a professional at a four-round tournament outside of the United States.

Jacklin played in most of the events on the 1973 European Tour. He won two events, the Italian Open and the Dunlop Masters. He was also runner-up in the French Open, the Scandinavian Enterprise Open and the John Player Classic. Jacklin won £7,000 for his Italian Open win and £7,500 for being runner-up in the John Player Classic and led the prize money list for the season. However he only finished 7th in the points list for the Order of Merit. Selection for the Great Britain and Ireland team in the 1973 Ryder Cup at Muirfield was based on a points list with points earned over a 12 months period up to August 1973. The leading 8 in the points list were guaranteed places and Jacklin, having played most of the events in this period finished in 3rd place. Jacklin was paired with Peter Oosterhuis in all four pairs matches, winning two and halving another. In the singles he beat Tommy Aaron but lost to Billy Casper.

In February 1974 Jacklin again played on the Caribbean Tour and in the last event he successfully defended the Los Lagartos Open. He played most of the season on the 1974 European Tour. He won the Scandinavian Enterprise Open, was runner-up in the Swiss Open and was tied third in the W.D. & H.O. Wills Open Tournament. Despite having a somewhat worse season than in 1973, he again finished 7th in the Order of Merit.

1975 to 1978 – PGA Tour
Jacklin returned to the PGA Tour in 1975 but had limited success. He won $10,824 in 1975 to be 123rd in the money list. 1976 and 1977 showed some improvement with winnings of $18,071 and $29,725, to be 111th and 83rd in the list. His best finish in this period was runner-up in the 1977 Bing Crosby National Pro-Am, a stroke behind Tom Watson, earning him $22,800. He played a few events at the start of 1978, including a tied for 8th place in the Bing Crosby National Pro-Am, but withdrew from the Doral-Eastern Open in March with a wrist injury and didn't return to the tour. Jacklin continued to play some events on the European Tour. He had one win in this period, the 1976 Kerrygold International Classic where he finished a stroke ahead of Eddie Polland.

Selection for the Great Britain and Ireland team in the 1975 Ryder Cup in America was based on performances in 1975 European Tour events. Jacklin was not in the leading 8 who were guaranteed places but he was selected as one of the four remaining places. Jacklin was paired with Peter Oosterhuis in three pairs matches and with Brian Huggett in the other, winning two and halving another of his four matches. However, he lost both of his singles matches on the final day. The same system was used in 1977 at Royal Lytham, and Jacklin was again chosen for one of the four places. Jacklin halved his foursomes match, lost in the fourball and was not selected for the singles.

1979 to 1984 – European Tour
Jacklin didn't play on the PGA Tour from 1979 to 1984, playing mostly on the European Tour. He won the 1979 Braun German Open, the 1981 Billy Butlin Jersey Open and the 1982 Sun Alliance PGA Championship after a playoff against Bernhard Langer. In 1980 he was in a playoff for the Merseyside International Open but lost to Ian Mosey. In 1979 Jacklin was 9th in the Order of Merit but dropped to 42nd in 1980. He was 13th in 1981, 20th in 1982, 63rd in 1983 before dropping out of the top 100 in 1984. Jacklin won the Venezuela Open in late 1979.

Jacklin made his final Ryder Cup appearance in 1979, the first time European players were included. He finished 8th in the points list with the leading 10 gaining places automatically. Jacklin played three matches with Sandy Lyle, winning one and halving another, but lost narrowly in his singles match against Tom Kite. In 1981 Jacklin finished 12th in the points list. The selectors chose Mark James, who had finished 11th in the list, and Peter Oosterhuis, who had recently won the Canadian Open.

Seniors golf
Jacklin played regularly on the Senior PGA Tour from 1994 to 1997. He won twice on the tour, the First of America Classic in 1994 and the Franklin Quest Championship in 1995. He also played on the European Seniors Tour, mostly between 1998 and 2002, and was runner-up in the 1998 Jersey Seniors Open.

Other golfing activities
Jacklin was the non-playing captain of Europe in four consecutive Ryder Cups from 1983 to 1989. He had a 2.5–1.5 won-loss record, captaining his men to their first victory in 28 years in 1985, and to their first ever victory in the United States in 1987.

Jacklin was inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame in 2002. He developed a golf course design business after his retirement from competition. He has designed numerous courses, including the 9-hole par 3 course of The St. Pierre Park Hotel in Guernsey.

Personal life
Jacklin's first wife, Vivien Murray, was from Belfast, Northern Ireland. The couple married in 1966, eleven months after their initial meeting at a Belfast hotel, and two days after Jacklin had won the Blaxnit (Ulster) Tournament. They had three children together: Bradley, Warren and Tina. Vivien Jacklin died suddenly of a brain haemorrhage in Spain, in April 1988, aged 44. In an interview in 2002, Jacklin said: "You can't understand the anguish of losing a spouse until it happens to you. I lost my will to live after my first wife died. I contemplated doing something very terrible to myself. Eventually I recovered."

Six weeks after his first wife's death, Jacklin met a 16-year-old waitress named Donna Methven at a golf tournament in England. Jacklin later said: "I was at my lowest ebb and Donna was a shoulder to cry on." They had a two-month affair which led to front-page headlines in British tabloid newspapers. In December 1988, Jacklin married his second wife, Astrid Waagen, a Norwegian woman. They have a son called Sean, who is a professional golfer. Jacklin is also stepfather to Waagen's two children, daughter Anna May and son A.J., from her previous marriage to former Bee Gees guitarist Alan Kendall.

He was a subject of the television programme This Is Your Life in February 1970 when he was surprised by Eamonn Andrews outside Buckingham Palace after receiving his OBE which he had received in the 1970 New Year Honours.

In 1971, Jacklin said that he received death threats from a caller who also threatened to bomb his wife's family home in Belfast. The caller said that Jacklin would be shot if he played in the Gallaher Ulster Open, because his wife's family supported Ian Paisley. Jacklin withdrew from the tournament.

Jacklin said in an interview in 1989 that he was barely on speaking terms with his mother. "To get along with people I have to like them. My mother and I don't get along. I don't share the belief that blood is thicker than water. She has tried to run my life long enough," Jacklin said.

Jacklin has been hearing impaired since the 1980s and wears a hearing aid device on both sides. He is a patron of the English Deaf Golf Association.

In 2013, Jacklin took part in the eleventh series of the BBC1 Saturday night entertainment competition, Strictly Come Dancing. He was the first celebrity to be eliminated from the show.

Awards and honours

 * Jacklin was second in the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award in both 1969 and 1970.
 * He received an OBE in the 1970 New Year Honours, upgraded to a CBE in the 1990 New Year Honours.

PGA Tour wins (4)
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PGA Tour playoff record (1–1)

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European Tour wins (8)
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New Zealand Golf Circuit wins (1)
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Senior PGA Tour wins (2)
 * Note: The 1996 First of America Classic was shortened to 36 holes due to rain. Source:

Results timeline
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"T" indicates a tie for a place.

Summary
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Team appearances
Amateur
 * Boys' match v Continent of Europe (representing combined England & Scotland): 1961 (winners)
 * England–Scotland boys match (representing England): 1961

Professional
 * Ryder Cup (representing Great Britain & Ireland/Europe): 1967, 1969 (tie), 1971, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1983 (non-playing captain), 1985 (winners, non-playing captain), 1987 (winners, non-playing captain), 1989 (tied, retained Cup, non-playing captain)
 * World Cup (representing England): 1966, 1970, 1971, 1972
 * Double Diamond International (representing England): 1972 (winners), 1973, 1974, 1976 (winners, captain), 1977 (captain)
 * Marlboro Nations' Cup (representing England): 1972, 1973
 * Hennessy Cognac Cup (representing Great Britain and Ireland): 1976 (winners, captain), 1982 (winners, captain)
 * UBS Cup (representing the Rest of the World): 2003 (tie, captain)

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