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User:Fvw/TalkArchive/9

I understand you might want to cut down, but I hope you're not leaving permanently. You've done such a great job here.-gadfium 07:19, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Totally agree. We all need a break every once in a while, but I hope you come back soon. RickK 07:25, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Same. Have a nice break, Fvw. Please come back to us when you're WikiStress level isn't too high. -- AllyUnion (talk) 11:21, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Take a few weeks or a few months off, but do come back. You're one of the bright stars in the Wikipedia sky. -- Curps 16:02, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Seriously. Wikipedia would be a lot poorer without you. I can hope that you're only taking a break and will be returning to us, but above that, I hope you're happy in whatever you do. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:56, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I hope to see you back eventually, Fvw! You always contributed a much-needed sense of humor. dbenbenn | talk 18:19, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

We need you. Cut down on your edits, but reamin with us. utcursch 06:24, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Hope you do come back soon. Did you ever complete the proxy block script? Jayjg (talk) 16:05, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to see you're leaving, Frank. I hope it isn't for good. Cheers for all the help. Smoddy (t) (e) (c) 21:31, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Enjoy your wikibreak, but hurry back! — Dan | Talk 03:13, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

We'll miss you. I hope to see you back sometime. Best of luck, Joyous 02:30, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

I just got back from a little wiki break. I hope yours goes well. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News  04:20, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Frank, didn't you know? Wikipedia is an addiction! :-) I hope you find a balance that allows you to devote time to other things as well as helping out around here.  Take some time off, but do come back.  SWAdair | Talk  06:40, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'll be looking forward to your return, Frank. -- Hoary 08:39, 2005 Feb 10 (UTC)

Enjoy the break, I am looking forward to see you again. -- Chris 73 Talk 13:57, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Just to echo what everyone else has said, you'll be missed and hope you can return soon. GRider\talk 17:13, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you everyone for your kind words. I still do the odd RC-patrol when boredom strikes, and keep an eye on wikipedia goings-on. --A temporarily relapsed addict 00:54, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

I know what I say may be unpopular, but I think it needs to be expressed here as representative of the views of many other contributors. Many on wikipedia are glad to see that you're gone. You always enjoyed being aggressive on wikipedia, often engaging in long feuds. You also enjoyed punishing those who crossed your path. You contributed barely anything to wikipedia in the way of articles. It really has not been pleasant dealing with you. You are hostile and adverse to discussion. Wikipedia is better for your absence. BlasphemousBlasphemous

Toyslove images
Greetings. You recently voted to delete several toyslove images because they were orphans, the copyright status was suspect, and there was a URL to a commercial site on the images. The URL has now been removed, the copyright status has been verified, and two of the images are no longer orphans. I was wondering if you might consider changing your vote. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 20:37, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

User Talk Archiving
I was reading your hints to User:Wyss and was wondering if archiving Username's talk under User talk:Username/Archive #n would satisfy your concerns. hydnjo talk 03:42, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope, not really, my point was that User talk: /foo is only appropriate if it's a discussion of User: /foo. Feel free to manage things however you want to however, it's just a matter of æsthetics after all. --fvw *  00:41, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

Open proxy page
Watch out! Vandals, probably Sollog vandals, are using subdirectories of your user page, ex. User:Fvw/proxytest2, to mark open proxies to later use for the purpose of vandalism. Andrew pmk 02:28, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, that was me, scanning open proxies for blocking. The problem has since been (incompletely) solved in a different way though, so the page has become irrelevant. Thanks for your vigilance though. --fvw *  00:44, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

Frank?
It has been over a month. Where are you? Come on, you've gotta come back. At least visit us occasionally. :-) SWAdair | Talk  11:26, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC) We aim to please. Very nice to see you! JRM · Talk 00:56, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
 * So here I am, visiting. Where are my tea and cookies? [[Image:Smiley.png|16px]]. --fvw *  00:49, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Japanese Teapot.jpg|thumb|left|Hold on, I'll get you a cup.]][[Image:Chocolate chip cookies.jpg|thumb|left|Dig in!]] [[Image:Desserts.jpg|thumb|130px|right|Fvw, hey! Have your just desserts! [[User:Bishonen]]]]

 * My, the service here is quick, Ta. --fvw *  01:03, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

Welcome back! However, I'm afraid the cookies won't be much good, since I ate them all moments after having taken that picture. — Dan | Talk 02:15, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, man; didn't know. RC is pretty addictive.

I was pleased to see your name show up on my watch list (in several places, too). Hope you'll be sticking around for longer than a visit, even if you cut back your involvement. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:20, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back. Please don't burn yourself out again; take at least an hour off a day, and maybe get some sleep occasionally.-gadfium 06:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Luigi Mottola
I just thought that you ought to know that User:Chadbryant has been under attack for some time from a person who has so far opened at least five accounts solely or mainly for the purpose. is the latest, and I've been blocking them indefinitely on sight. As soon as your block has expired, I'll do the same to this one. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:22, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back
Welcome back! Don't put too much wiki-stress on yourself :) utcursch | talk 09:15, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back, Frank! Nice to see you around, hope you are here to stay this time! jni 09:23, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey, great to see you're back! -- Ferkelparade π 11:56, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Return of the Soldier
Hi Frank! I was so pleased today when your name showed up on my watchlist. Well, in the time that you've been away, I've become an admin. See what your disappearance did! Does this mean you're back for good? Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 16:48, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! If I'd been around at the time you would have had my vote. --fvw *  05:58, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Tea and cookies
He's back! He's back! Yippee! You asked for tea and cookies; here they are. :-) It is great to see you back.  I apologize for the delay in responding -- I had an unexpected vacation.  You sure did a lot in the one day you allowed yourself, but come on.  That was a week ago.  LOL!  Oh, sorry.  That was the addiction speaking.  Welcome back, Frank.  I hope you find a balance between Wikipedia and RL so that you can devote quality time to each.  See you around.  SWAdair | Talk  01:01, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

You should be banned
Fvw, you should be banned, you have banend over 50 people in the past couple of days, can you honestly say that all of the people you banned deserved to be banned themselves? []
 * What?? Fvw's most recent activity on Wikipedia was on April 28th, and he blocked only two users in the last four months! — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:06, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You're quite right of course, and for my sins I've taken it upon myself not to wikipede more than once per trimester :-P. --fvw *  06:00, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Good to have you back, if only briefly. I hope you decide to stick around more. --Deathphoenix 19:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cinema by country
I think it should only be noted on the talk page. That user created the other cat after the Cfd had decided not to, and then populated it. Since then has vandalised the Cfd page, removed the Cfd tag on Category:Film by country and then put that one up for speedy with that comment. I left notes on the talk page about this. This category should have NOT been deleted in the first place, and the consensus as of now, is to revert the unauthorized pages. I understand your point about having it there for admins, so they dont' speedy it, but it leaves a false impression about the history of the cat, since it shouldn't have been deleted (retired) in the first place. I appologize if I am seeming rash, but this anon is just creating categories and moving articles around going against the consensus of the Cfd. Thanks for your understanding, I will leave the note, but adjust it to be more neutral. Thanks. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 07:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, any note works for me. It's just my experience that empty categories have a tendency to get deleted, whether they're CSDs or not. --fvw *  07:42, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thats understandable, and thanks for the consideration. I left the note there, just ammended it. Thanks for replying.  ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  07:45, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Re;AIV

 * Ok, that's why I listed it on AIV instead of just going ahead and doing it. — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ) '' 02:10, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

ok, what part about 'Give A Reason' do you have trouble understanding?
Just wondering - sincerely ,the great and powerful, anon 172.145.75.28

Aloha, and welcome back. FWIW, I just saw the edits by 172.145.75.28 and your revert of the anon's edits. I don't know who the anon is, but it has been speculated that User:Coqsportif is a sockpuppet on WP:AN/I, and it is likely that User:I-2-d2 is one of them. --Viriditas | Talk 03:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Aloha, and thanks. I've been reverting the edits by a clump of anons who have been marking both the image and user pages as CSDs and vandalising them in other ways. If there's evidence for sock puppetry by all means add the template with the evidence linked, nothing wrong with that (that is to say, I'm not really fond of the idea behind the sock puppet template apart from for epidemics like sollog, but there appears to be broad community support for it so who am I to object). --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 03:35, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * We're probably on the same page. The sock template would certainly be more useful if there were a verified check user IP behind it (plus an arbcom decision) but given the response time required for such a request at present, and the proliferation of puppets of mass disruption (!) I'm afraid that Wikipedia is literally drowning in trolls and a solution is desperately needed. If you have any ideas, please share them. --Viriditas  | Talk 03:46, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and btw, since you're a wikiexpert, can you take a look at the new Template:Attack I created, and offer any criticism, changes, or suggestions? That is to say, will this template be helpful?  I think it might work well for newbies.  --Viriditas  | Talk 03:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Ooh, I get to be a wiki-expert, yay me. I'm afraid someone beat you to the idea though, see Template:No personal attacks. For what it's worth, I like your wording better, though it should be kept in mind that the blocking policy doesn't cover personal attacks.
 * As for how to rescue wikipedia, I'm afraid me and the community are on different pages (if not in different books) on that subject, which is one of the reasons I don't hang out here quite as often anymore. I'm tempted into a little RC patrol every now and then when I'm trying to avoid the things I should be doing though. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 03:59, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you have a subpage explaining your position and how it differs from the community? If not, I would be interested in hearing it.  In any case, I've changed "blocked" to "banned" on the attack template.  Thanks for your input.  --Viriditas  | Talk 06:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope, as it's mainly people-need-to-change-their-mind-about-this stuff, not some simple procedural changes. In a nutshell, the problems wikipedia is currently facing are caused by it taking much too long for negative behaviour to get an appropriate response. This is manifesting itself amongst admins as well as the single-issue troublemakers. I think we (and when I say we, I mean them, but we sounds so much nicer) need to keep in mind that our end goal is making an encyclopaedia, and that there are some people (who may be well-intentioned) who do a lot more harm than good and that chances are, we cannot reform them into editors who are going to edit harmoniously. A lot of troublemakers who are currently not banned outright because they're also doing some useful work are a net drain on wikipedia as they make editing unpleasant for all the good editors and thereby driving away a number of editors and potential editors that could far exceed their output. If we quickly tell those who are causing trouble (as opposed to newbies of course) "I'm sure you're a wonderful person but it is felt that you're probably doing the cause of wikipedia more harm than good so we've decided not to take any further contributions from you", I think a lot of people's wikistress will go down a lot and wikipedia will revert to the kinder, gentler place it once was (yes, I'm one of the everything-used-to-be-better believers).
 * Once that is happening we should also start putting consequences to transgressions made by the editors who are in the balance doing good, like violations of NPA, revert warring, self-unblocking (what's with the recent spate of that by the way?), block-warring and severe wikiquette violations. Even the best of editors have moments of weakness, but as there are no repercussions apart from for chronic and severe violators, people are getting used to it and starting to accept it as normal. There's no need for huge penalties, but a slap on the wrist to remind people it is not acceptable.

 * Anyway, thanks for the invitation to rant, always nice to hear that someone actually wants to read this stuff. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 02:45, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

ECommerce Best Practices
You put this on VfD, and it is indeed a blatent ad. It is also a copyvio from the corporate site, and I have listed it as such. Btw, please remember to Subst vfd. Thanks for spotting this one. DES (talk) 05:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Nice catch, I must have forgotten to google it. Thanks.
 * As for substing VfD, despite lots of discussion I still haven't found any convincing arguments for it. The server load argument is no stronger for VfD templates than any other, and I doubt how effective it is against detagging (and I watch my VfDed pages anyway). On the balance, I prefer the labour-saving of not typing the extra subst:. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 05:45, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * You are welcome.
 * On subst -- VfD pages are rather frequently viewed, but particualrly are frequently edited compared to most pages, and this increases the load effect of templates, as I understand it. Furthermore, the subst inserts the html comment warning against de-tagging. This will not stop a malcious de-tagger or vandal, of course. But it may help educate a newbie, IMO. All that said, if you have considered the issues, it is your choice. i will subst and un-substed vfd when i happen to notice one. DES (talk) 05:52, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope, templates only get invalidated if the template itself is edited. Also, I'm not sure pages on VfD get that many hits; if we were to choose a template to subst in for performance reasons, my first choice would be template:current, as articles marked with that tend to get a lot of hits (and not just from us behind-the-scenes munchkins). You're welcome to edit my tagging mercilessly of course (just as I'm well within my rights to mercilessly split my infinitives). --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 05:58, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Re: NPA
Where do you see me making any personal attacks? Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 13:58, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Phrases like coward out aren't conducive to level-headed discussion. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 17:47, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Re: redirects
Thank you very much for informing me of the developing discussion on the archery redirects. I admit that I am a bit appalled that this would be taken to the incident board without consulting me first. I am not some anon for which there is no other recourse than administrative action. I am gratified that you took the time to rectify this oversight by others. I have posted a response in the discussion thread. Indrian 16:37, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
KeithD (talk) 18:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Awww, thanks. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 18:51, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Well done on putting it all back before anyone else even did one of them! KeithD (talk) 18:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * All mine! My preciousssss vandalism :-) --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 19:02, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Kakashi Bot
Sorry about that... The edits it makes is rather tedious. --AllyUnion (talk) 20:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Hardy Boys
Fvw - you might like to take a look at the discussion on this issue at Vandalism in Progress - if you aren't away of it already. All Hardy Boys articles are affected. --PhilipO 20:55, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what brought it to my attention. Your best bet is probably to put up a request for page protection, I'd protect it myself but stupidly got involved with the edit war instead and I'd rather avoid the grey areas of conflict of interest. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 20:57, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * This is the first time I noticed this, but does Flonga look like a sockpuppet of FWDixon? Check out the edits. The User page was first modified yesterday. How does one raise this on Wikipedia? Thanks --PhilipO 00:52, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Kenneth Irons
My apologies. I assumed, since the lead sentences were so similar. I wonder if VfD might be better, though... ral 315  23:28, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, or otherwise a merge somewhere useful. I'll leave that up to you though, to allow you and the article to bond a little :-P. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 23:30, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

copyvio vs. PUI
Hi Fvw, thanks for the note. You are right, images without a source should go to PUI. I had intended to look for the source (they are all obvious professional images) but didn't get them all.

Regarding the fair-useness of screenshots. I do and did object to these particular ones for specific reasons and explained why on the listing page. Did you miss this part? Anyway, some of the images that you put a fair use tag on are orphans (Image:Specmachine-a.jpg, for example). It's impossible to have a fair use rationale for orphans (I forgot to note this with the other reasons). Also a bunch are still tagged, did you want me to go and remove the tags? --Duk 23:57, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops no, I'd missed the reasons above, and they're very compelling (almost as compelling as the fact that if I didn't delete them for being copyvio's I'd have to IFD them). I've deleted the bulk of them apart from a few that are used in articles and are reasonable fair use. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:13, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * P.S. you are the guy doing the work clearing these, so I'm not really contesting. :)  --Duk 00:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh please do. Anything to alleviate the tedium of WP:CP :) --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:13, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

copyvio at Semantic differential
Hi Fvw, this was a long-standing issue which was finally resolved - look at the bottom of the discussion. Please remove the coppyvio; if you have questions, please contact me. Thanx, Cruise 00:42, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. I've sent a verification mail to support@vstat.net, and when that comes back I'll remove the copyvio notice. Happy wikipeding! --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:53, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

I finally noticed...
That you're back! (I just saw a post you recently made on RfD. I've backed off to mostly normal editing a while back, except for taking care of RfD - I had to give up archiving WP:AN since that was taking up so much of my time that I wasn't getting to work on articles any more! Which kind of bummed me out. So I've been busy in little corners, working on content...) Hey, good to see you. I hope/assume you're taking it a little easier this time! Noel (talk) 01:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Nah, not really, it's just the I've aquired bigger responsibilities that require running from, so I've been hiding out here a bit. Still, good to see you too! Have a cup of tea and a some barnstars :) --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 01:26, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Robertson
May I know why you cleared news about Robertson and Chavez ? Chris93 02:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It had already been covered, check the rest of the page before adding new stuff. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 02:18, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * OK. Sorry Chris93 02:21, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for reverting my talk page! FreplySpang (talk) 02:57, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Only fair considering yours was vandalised in response to you reverting mine. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 03:08, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Oh yeah, thanks for taking care of mine too. - Taxman Talk 23:06, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Current events
I think I understand why you blanked out the Robertson item added by an anon. user on Current events, but I don't think it's helpful to newbies who don't know enough to read your edit summaries. Don't bite the newbies while they are still typing. They wouldn't even know what they did wrong. I added the "Newslink Missing" tag to help out, hoping to show the way. Now, I've restored the news item added a newslink, too. However, I do suggest blanking out unsourced item clearly left unattended on Current events. -- PFHLai 23:38, 2005 August 24 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I was a little gruff, but keep in mind that current events is one of those high profile pages on wikipedia, so if we don't source there, even for a few minutes it is sending a pretty bad (and confusing) message. Actually, I'm not even sure current events belongs on Wikipedia, but that's a story for another day. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 23:44, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I see that we are on the same team. :-) Just that I prefer being more gentle to newbies with just a handful of edits under his/her IP. TakeCare. -- PFHLai 23:54, 2005 August 24 (UTC)

Mike Garcia
Please help! This user is deleting my entry on him on the 3RR page though he violated the rule on Hypnotize. 66.36.133.229 23:57, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * See my reply on WP:AN/3RR. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:02, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
I can't tell you how much I appreciate you having blocked the latest "Willy on Wheels" incarnation. You da man. - Lucky 6.9 00:05, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think he's the latest, but having blocked the latest-but-five one is nice too. I suspected as much, but it's always nice to have it confirmed. :-) --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:19, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, you did me a favor. Least I can do is thank you.  Anytime you need one in return, just ask. - Lucky 6.9 00:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

NTL vandal - worth it?
Hm, I was wondering that myself, but figured that a short block would at least buy a couple of minutes of peace - oops, no, there he goes again. I guess I'll stop blocking NTL proxies, but it certainly is frustrating to sit here and let it happen. FreplySpang (talk) 00:13, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Think of it as raking a pebble garden, in a zen sort of way. :) --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:17, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * Be the rake...be the rake...be the rake... :) Seriously, I went back and blocked the proxy for only an hour.  Hopefully, the dweeb responsible won't be sitting in front of his computer in breathless anticipation of that block lifting. - Lucky 6.9 00:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * rake, breathe, rake, breathe, rake, breathe. :-) FreplySpang (talk) 00:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Vandalism on, Vandalism off, Vandalism on, Vandalism off? --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:35, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Sockster
User:Sockster conveys the same information that User:Sock-ster did, which I noticed that you deleted. I recommend deleting this user page also, unless I'm missing the point of deletion. I strongly think this situation is linked to (or rather, IS) WoW, especially based upon what User:Socknet's page said. AdamRock 21:27, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the heads up. I've removed the old content but not deleted the page, as it also contains Thue's block message. It's not like there's anything dangerous to wikipedia there or anything, so it doesn't matter that it's left in the history. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 21:31, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * By the looks of it, The Anome did the same thing a while back, which got "reverted" by (here ). I'm apprehensive as to whether or not it won't be reverted to the "descriptive" version again.
 * (BTW, how did you post your reply on both mine and your user boards? I'm still somewhat new... ) AdamRock 21:42, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Then we'll revert it, and if they persist we can always protect the page (deleting doesn't help here, as they can always just copy and paste the text in again).
 * My reply on both pages was done by copy and pasting the text to both, it may be a little more work but it keeps the discussion legible afterwards (as opposed to just replying on the person whom you're talking to's talk page which means the discussion gets split up into two parts, one with the replies and one with the responses and to read it back you have to interleave them again, or as opposed to just replying to people on your own talk page, which means the person you're talking to doesn't get a new messages indicator and has to check the user pages of all the users they've conversed with recently for replies (which I often end up forgetting and having a large watchlist means these things can easily go unnoticed)). You don't have to though, there are lots of people who chose for one of the less laborious methods. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 22:07, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * Look at these sockpuppets...what do you think? AdamRock 17:51, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

User:Fernando Rizo
Thanks for the correction, Fvw. A response and a question on my talk page. Fernando Rizo T/C 22:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Anon
Well, German chocolate cake never got fixed. But go ahead and unblock and warn if you wish.... Evercat 22:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Nick Adams
I guess Nick Adams needs protecting too (endless reverts to unsupported material against consensus by the same editor, 141, who is targeting Elvis Presley in order to skew Google search results to a tabloid book by David Bret. Wyss 23:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, this may have to go to RfC. Wyss 23:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Edit conflict
What were the odds of me getting in an edit conflict on a page that hasn't been edited in almost 3 weeks? Redwolf24 (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, that wasn't just because it popped up in your watchlist? Fun. Want to have an edit war on template:protected? Should be entertaining. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 23:51, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Please, people. I didn't protect that template for nothing. JRM · Talk 00:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
didn't think of that, it is no longer in my template. Howabout1 Talk to me! 23:57, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Too fast!
Page vandalised 01:47, reverted by yourself 01:47. Is there even any point in watching this page? Would you kindly hold off for 30 seconds or so some time, and give a person a chance to feel useful? ;-P Bishonen | talk 00:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You're in luck, I'm going out in 5 mins. Enjoy your vandalism! --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:54, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Region 10
I saw a note on Fernando Rizo's talk page about vandalism coming from "Region 10." Did your information mention whether or not the edits were coming from Texas? Joyous (talk) 00:51, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup, that IP appears to be in Texas. So, what's all this "Region 10" cloak and dagger? --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 00:57, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

It's an education thing. About 35 years ago, Texas was divided up into about 20 zones. The public schools within a zone are provided various and sundry (lately, mostly sundry) services by an entity called an "education service center." In addition to teacher training, Region 10 would be the internet service provider for most of the public schools in Dallas and the surrounding counties. If you're extremely curious, there's a little more information here. Joyous (talk) 01:07, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Good catch!
I'm glad you corrected the incorrect answer I gave at the Ref Desk. I obviously knew less than I thought I did! ike9898 01:47, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Helping out at Copyright Problems
Hi Fvw. I'd like to help out at WP:CP. Do you think you could give me a primer to get started? The page looks very overwhelming, and I'm not sure where is the best place to start. Thanks for your help! --HappyCamper 06:56, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the whole closing procedure should be properly documented somewhere. Until someone volunteers for that, Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems covers the basics. If you have any questions about cases (especially fair use issues result in a lot of incorrect decisions), feel free to ask here or just leave the case unclosed, there's generally no big hurry. If you'd help trim the backlog that would be very useful though. --fvw<SMALL> * </SMALL> 01:09, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Line D (Buenos Aires Underground)

Original Research
I added the original research tag to the article. Most of it requires a complete re-write, in particular the "highlights" section which consists mostly of trivial (and often incorrect) personal observations and folklore. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 21:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Southside (Birmingham)

The previous version mentioned Lakeview, which is not part of Southside, either by the city's CPP definitions, or within the boundaries proposed in the article.

I'm starting a "Birmingham, Alabama neighborhoods]] category for future expansion of the notable neighborhoods. I'll probably write up something for Avondale. Red Mountain already exists in some form. This one is a good early prototype. Dystopos 23:57, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

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Corky Evans

Corky Evans (born January 2, 1948) is a former Canadian provincial politician in British Columbia, Canada. He twice ran for the leadership of the New Democratic Party of British Columbia, placing second both times. In both cases, the party formed the government of British Columbia and its leader became Premier of British Columbia. He served in several cabinet ministries.

Early life and career
While his birth certificate recorded his name as Conrad St. George Evans, he insists Corky Evans is his correct name.

Born in California the son of a prominent defense attorney and a graduate of Palo Verde High School in Tucson, Arizona, he moved to British Columbia in 1969 with his wife and two daughters. Evans describes himself as a war resister. Their son was born soon after. Before his election to the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, Evans worked as a stevedore, logger, tree-planter, heavy-equipment operator, first-aid attendant, and highways surveyor. By the mid-1970s, Evans had settled in the Kootenay region of southern British Columbia, and became active in local environmental and land use initiatives, particularly in developing the Slocan Valley Forest Management Project, which aimed to control logging and protect watersheds.

In 1975, he became a Canadian citizen and he joined the New Democratic Party. He was elected to the Central Kootenay Regional District government, serving three consecutive terms as a director and hospital board member.

In provincial politics
After one unsuccessful run for the provincial legislature for the BC NDP in the 1986 provincial election, he was elected Member of the Legislative Assembly for Nelson-Creston in the 1991 provincial election. He served as parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Forests and chair of the legislature's Select Standing Committee on Forests, Mines and Petroleum Resources.

His first run in a BC NDP leadership convention came in 1996, when Glen Clark was very widely assumed to be a shoo-in for the leadership. Evans' folksy candidacy earned him a second-place finish, and he encouraged his supporters to rally around Clark.

In Clark's cabinet, Evans became Minister of Transportation and Highways from February 1996 to June 1996. Evans and the Clark NDP government were re-elected in the 1996 general election on May 28. In June, Evans was named Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; fisheries was spun off into a separate portfolio in February.

Evans retained his position as Minister of Agriculture and Food when Dan Miller served as premier on an interim basis in 1999–2000.

In the leadership convention of February 20, 2000, Evans placed a strong second to Ujjal Dosanjh, who had been the frontrunner throughout the race. Dosanjh returned Fisheries, a high-profile responsibility at the time, to Evans' portfolio. Evans had campaigned for a Ministry of Rural Development, and Dosanjh additionally named him Minister Responsible for Rural Development and empowered him to organize such a ministry.

In a cabinet shuffle of November 1, 2000, Evans left his previous portfolios to become Minister of Health and Minister Responsible for Seniors.

Defeat and return
Evans was defeated in his riding in the 2001 provincial election when all but two NDP candidates were defeated.

He was approached to run in the 2003 BC NDP leadership convention, but declined, citing his commitment to his new job with a local community service organization.

He returned to politics as the MLA for Nelson-Creston on May 17, 2005, when he won his riding in the provincial election.

On July 3, 2008, Evans announced that he would not stand for re-election in the 2009 provincial election.

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Cheltenham Festival

The Cheltenham Festival is a horse racing-based meeting in the National Hunt racing calendar in the United Kingdom, with race prize money second only to the Grand National. The four-day festival takes place annually in March at Cheltenham Racecourse in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. It usually coincides with Saint Patrick's Day and is particularly popular with Irish visitors.

The meeting features several Grade I races including the Cheltenham Gold Cup, Champion Hurdle, Queen Mother Champion Chase and Stayers' Hurdle. Large amounts of money are gambled; hundreds of millions of pounds are bet over the course of the week. Cheltenham is noted for its atmosphere, including the "Cheltenham roar", which refers to the enormous amount of noise that the crowd generates as the starter raises the tape for the first race of the festival.

Origins
The Cheltenham Festival originated in 1860 when the National Hunt Chase was first held at Market Harborough. It was initially titled the Grand National Hunt Meeting and took place at several locations since its institution, at the turn of the 20th century it was mostly held at Warwick Racecourse. In 1904 and 1905 it was staged at Cheltenham over a new course established at Prestbury Park in 1902, having previously taken place at Cheltenham in 1861. From 1906 to 1910 it was again held at Warwick but further additions and major improvements made at Cheltenham by Messrs. Pratt and Company, including a new stand (the fourth one), miles of drain to prevent unsuitable racing ground, tar paving in the enclosures and the paddock extended to 35 saddling boxes, proved enough to make the National Hunt Committee decide that the 1911 meeting was to return at Prestbury Park, Cheltenham where it remained to the present day. The earliest traceable reference to a "Festival" is in the Warwick Advertiser of 1907.

The Stayers' Hurdle, which first ran in 1912, is the oldest race from the Cheltenham festival that is currently a championship race. The Gold Cup, established in 1924, was originally a supporting race for the County Hurdle. This was the main event of the first day but that quickly changed, and in the following seasons it became a championship race. For many years it was still used by the trainers as a preparation race for the Grand National. The Champion Hurdle first ran in 1927 and the Queen Mother Champion Chase in 1959; they were both championship races from the time they were introduced, unlike the Stayers' Hurdle and Gold Cup.

Races
Until 2005 the festival had traditionally been held over the course of three days, but this changed with the introduction of a fourth day, meaning there would be one championship race on each day, climaxing with the Gold Cup on the Friday. To ensure each day would still have six races, five new races were introduced. Four further races have since been added, bringing the total to 28 races overall, with grade one events including the Champion Bumper, Triumph Hurdle, Ryanair Chase, Supreme Novices' Hurdle, Ballymore Novices' Hurdle, Arkle Challenge Trophy, Brown Advisory Novices' Chase, Champion Hurdle, Stayers' Hurdle, Queen Mother Champion Chase and the feature race, the Gold Cup. The festival also includes one of the two biggest Hunter Chases of the season, the Festival Hunters' Chase, which is run on the Friday over the same course as the Gold Cup.

Unlike Royal Ascot and many other top flat racing events in Great Britain and Ireland, the Cheltenham Festival does not have a history of attracting many international contenders, though French-trained horses have done well. Baracouda was perhaps the best known, after landing the Stayers' Hurdle twice.

1983–2019
In 1983 Caroline Beasley became the first female jockey to ride a winner at the Festival. She won the Foxhunter Chase on Eliogarty.

On 17 March 1987, 21-year-old Gee Armytage won the Kim Muir Challenge Cup, back then held on Tuesdays and backed it with another victory the next day in the Mildmay of Flete Challenge Cup on a horse aptly named Gee-A, becoming the first female jockey to win a race against professionals at the Festival..

In 2001 the Festival was cancelled due to an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease in Britain. The meeting had initially been postponed to April, but when a case of the disease was confirmed locally, putting the racecourse within an exclusion zone, all racing had to be called off.

In 2008, the second day of the festival was cancelled due to heavy storms. The races scheduled for that day were instead run on the third and final days. In 2019 a record opening day crowd of 67,934 people attended.

2020 coronavirus pandemic
Despite the COVID-19 pandemic, and in line with government advice, the festival went ahead from 10 to 13 March 2020. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak a pandemic on 11 March. On 16 March, three days after the festival, the British government advised against large gatherings and on 23 March ordered a lockdown. The festival attracted 251,684 visitors that year, including a final-day crowd of 68,859, fewer than 2,000 down on the previous year's record.

There were fears in early April that the festival had helped spread the disease widely across the country. One visitor who developed COVID-19 later complained about having been "packed like sardines". Hundreds of festival visitors also said that they had developed symptoms. Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, which covers Cheltenham, recorded 125 deaths, roughly double that in two nearby trusts at Bristol (58 each), and those covering Swindon (67) and Bath (46).

Horse-welfare concerns
For several years there have been concerns about the number of horse injuries and fatalities. In 2006, 11 horses died. In response the racecourse decreased the number of runners in certain races and re-sited one of the more difficult fences.

On the opening day of the 2012 festival, three horses were euthanised after suffering bone fractures or breaks, including two during the Cross-Country Chase, becoming the second and third equine fatalities in that race since 2000. Another two horses died during the festival.

At the 2018 festival there were six horse deaths, leading to a BHA review into equine safety. The review was published in December 2018 and listed 17 recommendations for future Cheltenham fixtures and jump racing in general, including reduced field size numbers at Cheltenham and a pre-race veterinary check for all runners at the festival. At the 2019 festival there were three horse deaths, leading to another BHA review.

2024 races
The number and type of races at the Cheltenham Festival has changed dramatically over the years of its existence. In particular, it has grown from a two-day meeting to a four-day meeting. In 2024, there will be 28 races as follows:

Top jockeys
The top jockey for the festival is the jockey who wins the most races over the four days. The winners since 1980, with wins in brackets, are:

 * 2023 Paul Townend (5)
 * 2022 Paul Townend (5)
 * 2021 Rachael Blackmore (6)
 * 2020 Paul Townend (5)
 * 2019 Nico de Boinville (3)
 * 2018 Davy Russell (4)
 * 2017 Ruby Walsh (4)
 * 2016 Ruby Walsh (7)
 * 2015 Ruby Walsh (4)
 * 2014 Ruby Walsh (3)
 * 2013 Ruby Walsh (4)
 * 2012 Barry Geraghty (5)
 * 2011 Ruby Walsh (5)
 * 2010 Ruby Walsh (3)
 * 2009 Ruby Walsh (7)
 * 2008 Ruby Walsh (3)
 * 2007 Robert Thornton (4)
 * 2006 Ruby Walsh (3)
 * 2005 Graham Lee (3)
 * 2004 Ruby Walsh (3)
 * 2003 Barry Geraghty (5)
 * 2002 Richard Johnson (2)
 * 2001: Festival cancelled
 * 2000 Mick Fitzgerald (4)
 * 1999 Mick Fitzgerald (4)
 * 1998 Tony McCoy (5)
 * 1997 Tony McCoy (3)
 * 1996 Richard Dunwoody (2)
 * 1995 Norman Williamson (4)
 * 1994 Charlie Swan (3)
 * 1993 Charlie Swan (4)
 * 1992 Jamie Osborne (5)
 * 1991 Peter Scudamore (2)
 * 1990 Richard Dunwoody (2)
 * 1989 Tom Morgan (2)
 * 1988 Simon Sherwood (2)
 * 1987 Peter Scudamore (2)
 * 1986 Peter Scudamore (2)
 * 1985 Steve Smith Eccles (3)
 * 1984 Jonjo O'Neill (2)
 * 1983 Graham Bradley (2)
 * 1982 Jonjo O'Neill (1)
 * 1981 John Francome (3)
 * 1980 Jim Wilson (3)

Leading trainers
The leading trainer for the festival is the trainer who trains the most winners in the races over the four days. The winners since 1997, with wins in brackets, are:

 * 2023 Willie Mullins (6)
 * 2022 Willie Mullins (10)
 * 2021 Willie Mullins (6)
 * 2020 Willie Mullins (7)
 * 2019 Willie Mullins (4)
 * 2018 Gordon Elliott (8)
 * 2017 Gordon Elliott (6)
 * 2016 Willie Mullins (7)
 * 2015 Willie Mullins (8)
 * 2014 Willie Mullins (4)
 * 2013 Willie Mullins (5)
 * 2012 Nicky Henderson (7)
 * 2011 Willie Mullins (4)
 * 2010 Nicky Henderson (3)
 * 2009 Paul Nicholls (5)
 * 2008 Paul Nicholls (3)
 * 2007 Paul Nicholls (4)
 * 2006 Paul Nicholls (3)
 * 2005 Howard Johnson (3)
 * 2004 Paul Nicholls (4)
 * 2003 Jonjo O'Neill (3)
 * 2002 Martin Pipe (3)
 * 2001: Festival cancelled
 * 2000 Nicky Henderson (4)
 * 1999 Paul Nicholls (3)
 * 1998 Martin Pipe (4)
 * 1997 Martin Pipe (4)

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Haplology

Haplology (from Greek  "simple" and , "speech") is, in spoken language, the elision (elimination or deletion) of an entire syllable or a part of it through dissimilation (a differentiating shift that affects two neighboring similar sounds). The phenomenon was identified by American philologist Maurice Bloomfield in the 20th century. Linguists sometimes jokingly refer to the phenomenon as "haplogy", an autology. As a general rule, haplology occurs in English adverbs of adjectives ending in "le", for example gentlely → gently; ablely → ably.

Examples

 * Basque: sagarrardo → sagardo ('apple cider')
 * German: Zaubererin → Zauberin (female 'wizard' or 'magician'; male: der Zauberer; female ending -in); this is a productive pattern applied to other words ending in (spelt) -erer.
 * Dutch: narcissisme → narcisme ('narcissism')
 * French: fémininité → féminité ('femininity')
 * English:
 * Old English Engla land → Engle lond → England
 * Old English cyning → English king
 * morphophonology → morphonology
 * conservativism → conservatism
 * mononomial → monomial
 * urine analysis → urinalysis
 * Colloquial (non-standard and eye dialect spellings signalled by *):
 * library (RP: ) → *libry
 * particularly → *particuly
 * probably → *probly
 * February → *Febury or *Febr(u)y (compare e.g. Austrian German )
 * representative → *representive
 * authoritative → *authoritive
 * deteriorate → *deteriate
 * Latin:
 * nutritrix → nutrix ('nurse')
 * idololatria → idolatria (hence idolatry)
 * Biological Latin:
 * Hamamelididae (disallowed spelling: Hamamelidae)
 * Nycterididae → Nycteridae
 * Anomalocaridid → Anomalocarid
 * Homeric Greek: amphiphoreus (ἀμφιφορεύς) → amphoreus (ἀμφορεύς) ('two-handled pitcher, amphora')
 * Arabic:
 * tataqātalūna (تَتَقَاتَلُونَ) → taqātalūna (تَقَاتَلُونَ) ('you are fighting each other')
 * * ʾaʾkulu (*أَأْكُلُ) → ʾākulu (آكُلُ) ('I eat')
 * Spanish: impudicicia → impudicia ('lack of modesty', i.e. the nominal form of impúdico, 'immodest')
 * Portuguese:
 * idadoso → idoso (aged person, senior)
 * femininismo → feminismo (feminism)
 * Colloquially in sequences like campo pequeno pronounced like "campequeno" or faculdade de letras pronounced like "faculdadletras".
 * Italian:
 * tragico-comico → tragicomico ('tragicomic')
 * domani mattina → domattina ('tomorrow morning')

Reduplication
The reverse process is known as reduplication, the doubling of phonological material.

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Ornamental grass

Ornamental grasses are grasses grown as ornamental plants. Ornamental grasses are popular in many colder hardiness zones for their resilience to cold temperatures and aesthetic value throughout fall and winter seasons.

Classifications
Along with true grasses (Poaceae), several other families of grass-like plants are typically marketed as ornamental grasses. These include the sedges (Cyperaceae), rushes (Juncaceae), restios (Restionaceae), and cat-tails (Typhaceae). All are monocotyledons, typically with narrow leaves and parallel veins. Most are herbaceous perennials, though many are evergreen and some develop woody tissues. They bring striking linear form, texture, color, motion, and sound to the garden, throughout the year.

Habits
Almost all ornamental grasses are perennials, coming up in spring, from their roots, which have stored large quantities of energy, and in fall or winter go dormant. Some, notably bamboos, are evergreen, and a few are annuals. Many are bunch grasses and tussock grasses, though others form extensive systems of many-branched rhizomes. The bunching types are often called "clump-forming" or "clumping", distinct from the rhizomatous types, called "running". Sizes vary from a few centimeters up to several meters; the larger bamboos may reach 20 m or more tall. Some ornamental grasses are species that can be grown from seed. Many others are cultivars, and must be propagated by vegetative propagation of an existing plant.

Pampas grass (Cortaderia selloana) is easily recognizable, with semi-dwarf to very large selections for the landscape. Deer grass (Muhlenbergia rigens) and canyon prince wild blue rye (Leymus condensatus) are popular in larger settings, natural landscaping, and native plant gardens. There are Miscanthus grasses whose variegations are horizontal, and appear even on a cloudy day to be stippled with sunshine. Many Miscanthus and Pennisetum species flower in mid or late summer, and the seed heads are long lasting, often remaining well into the winter. Some Stipa species flower in the spring, the inflorescence standing almost two metres above the clumps of leaves, and again the seed heads last late into the winter.

When gardening near natural wildland-urban interfaces, one should take care to avoid planting invasive species, such as Cortaderia jubata, Pennisetum setaceum, and Nassella tenuissima (syn. Stipa tenuissima), as such is responsible horticulture.

True grasses

 * Agrostis nebulosa (cloud grass)
 * Calamagrostis × acutiflora (feather reed grass) - several cultivars
 * Calamagrostis brachytricha AGM (Korean feather reed grass)
 * Calamagrostis foliosa (coastal or leafy reedgrass)
 * Cortaderia selloana (pampas grass) - many cultivars
 * Deschampsia cespitosa (tufted hair-grass) - many cultivars
 * Festuca arundinacea (tall fescue) - many cultivars
 * Festuca californica (California fescue)
 * Festuca glauca (blue fescue, grey fescue, ornamental blue fescue grass) - many cultivars
 * Festuca idahoensis (Idaho fescue, blue bunchgrass)
 * Festuca ovina (sheep's fescue) - many cultivars
 * Festuca rubra (creeping fescue grass, red fescue, red fescue grass) - many cultivars
 * Helictotrichon sempervirens AGM (blue oat grass) - several cultivars
 * Leymus condensatus (giant wildrye, canyon prince, wild blue rye)
 * Melica imperfecta (smallflower melic, little California melic)
 * Miscanthus sinensis (Chinese silver grass, eulalia, eulaia grass, maiden grass, zebra grass, Susuki grass, porcupine grass) - numerous cultivars, several with AGMs
 * Muhlenbergia rigens (deer grass)
 * Panicum virgatum (switchgrass)
 * Pennisetum alopecuroides (Chinese fountain grass, Chinese pennisetum, fountain grass, swamp foxtail grass) - many cultivars
 * Pennisetum setaceum AGM & P. setaceum 'Rubrum' AGM (red fountain grass, African fountain grass, fountain grass, purple fountain grass, ruby grass) - & several other cultivars
 * Pennisetum villosum AGM (feathertop)
 * Stipa gigantea AGM (golden oats)
 * Stipa tenuissima syn. Nassella tenuissima (Mexican feather grass, Texas needle grass)

Sedges

 * Carex comans (New Zealand hair sedge) - many cultivars
 * Carex elata 'Aurea' AGM (Bowles' golden sedge)
 * Carex flacca (syn. C. glauca) (blue sedge, gray carex, glaucous sedge, or carnation-grass)
 * Carex oshimensis - ''Evergold' AGM
 * Carex pansa (sand dune sedge)
 * Carex pendula (pendulous, hanging, drooping or weeping sedge) - & cultivars
 * Carex praegracilis (clustered field sedge, field sedge, expressway sedge)
 * Carex siderosticta (creeping broad-leafed sedge) - several cultivars
 * Carex spissa (San Diego sedge)
 * Carex several other species & cultivars (including Japanese sedges & others)
 * Uncinia rubra (red hook sedge)

Environmental impact
Some ornamental grasses have become serious invasive weeds, usually as garden escapes into natural vegetation areas.

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Talk:Sami Al-Arian

February 2011
There is a large quantity of articles on liberal or alternative media (The Nation, CounterPunch, ZCommunications, TomDispatch, Democracy Now, antiwar.com, etc etc) which present a view which completely contradicts the government's position, yet they have all been removed from the article. This is despite the fact that the most popular article online about Sami Al Arian (after wikipedia) is the counterpunch article.

I recall reading this article over a year ago and it was FAR better than it is now. What happened?

207.188.69.26 (talk) 22:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I don't follow this article or its changes very closely, but the central fact remains that that there's a very significant likelihood that Al-Arian started off with the FBI by lying to them about Sheikh Abdullah Ramadan or Ramadan Abdullah Shallah (see above), and nothing that has come along subsequently has diminished this likelihood... AnonMoos (talk) 03:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree w/Anon. The article is far, far better referenced now, and reflects the RS references far more.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

 * It may be better now (I am not sure how bad it was before) but it is still grotesquely biased. There is a significant number of RS (possibly more than 50% of total) which have strongly denounced government actions regarding this case. This case was a central topic among writers who opposed the PATRIOT ACT. That is not how the article is balanced. The article is weighted towards the government's position. It is not NPOV to state that Al Arian accepted a plea bargain without stating that he was held in solitary confinement for years (which many human rights organizations consider a form of torture) before agreeing. That is a major theme in much of the RS. As I noted above (the IP address is mine) articles about Al Arian from the left (The Nation, Tom Dispatch, CounterPunch, Zmag, Salon, etc) all present a POV totally counter to this article and they are far more numerous than article written about him from the right. I am going to propose some changes in the future.  But given the nature of beast it will take some time. This article does not present a balance of the RS at all. Poyani (talk) 17:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I looked back at the history and this article is actually far worse than it used to be. It used to have less RS, but now it reeks of OR and POV.  Editors have removed much of the controversy regarding Al Arian's internment in solitary confinement (without trial), trial, plea bargain, and further government abuse, and have inserted their own OR, such as the one above from Anon.  It doesn't matter if editors feel that there is "a very significant likelihood that Al-Arian started off ..."  That is irrelevant.  The case of Al Arian is notable because of the mountain of RS written on the subject of him being subjected to the PATRIOT Act's worst excesses.  What editors feel is likely about Al-Arian is simply irrelevant. Poyani (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I still agree w/Anon. It is the reverse.  It read much more like your above post, but was in fact less-RS-supported, and more POV-driven.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

 * What do you mean it was "in fact less-RS-supported, and more POV-driven"? I posted more than 50 RS just below your post (there were so many I thought they required their own section). And the RS I posted is still just a small minority of RS related to this case.  The vast majority of RS is frames Al Arian's notability in relations to criticisms of the PATRIOT Act.  Poyani (talk) 21:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources Counter to POV presented in this article
Here are some sources people can use for this article which present a completely different point of view on the subject.

Note that the magazine CounterPunch was probably the most prolific on the Subject of Sami Al Arian, writing a whole series of papers on his trial. I provided links to some (but not all) of their work on the Al Arian case. Aside from the fact that all are critical of the government's actions, the writers are diverse. They include investigative journalists and reporters dedicated to the case, the magazine's editors (Cockburn and St. Clair), a former Reagan admin official (Paul Craig Roberts), former CIA official (McGovern), and Al Arian himself. Alexander Cockburn's article "The prosecution of Sami Al Arian" is the most cited source on this topic on the internet (after wikipedia).

There is also a lot of material from Amnesty International. Couldn't locate them all. I put the ones I found here.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn03032007.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/colson04092007.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn08022008.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg11162005.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/ccr03032007.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg05042006.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/lynchnahla.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/mccarthy02262003.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/colson09092008.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/alarian0826.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/lendman03242008.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/mokhiber12042007.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/colson03242009.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/welch08052008.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/colson03282007.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/arian05042009.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo02052005.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg03112004.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia12142005.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/lynch2.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg12142005.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08052008.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo03032003.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/weir04172007.html

http://www.zcommunications.org/usa-vs-al-arian-by-dalchows-verden

http://www.zcommunications.org/sami-al-arians-long-ordeal-by-stephen-lendman

http://www.zcommunications.org/criminalizing-solidarity-sami-al-arian-and-the-war-of-terror-by-charlotte-kates

http://www.thenation.com/article/persecution-sami-al-arian-0

http://www.thenation.com/article/persecution-sami-al-arian

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR51/204/2005/en/f7cd89b5-d474-11dd-8743-d305bea2b2c7/amr512042005en.html

http://www.amnesty.org/ar/library/asset/AMR51/083/2007/ar/aa18d72f-d397-11dd-a329-2f46302a8cc6/amr510832007en.pdf

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR51/110/2003/en/64d81573-d6aa-11dd-ab95-a13b602c0642/amr511102003en.pdf

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/110/2003/en

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/204/2005

http://www.democracynow.org/features/sami_al_arian

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/7/the_family_toll_sami_al_arians

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/9/the_case_of_sami_al_arian

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/3/sami_al_arian_released_after_five http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/7/exclusive_hunger_striking_palestinian_professor_sami

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/16/as_health_deteriorates_jailed_palestinian_professor

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/5/3/daughter_of_sami_al_arian_says

http://www.usavsalarian.com/case/news.html

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/article981644.ece

http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/01/19/bubba/index.html

http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2002/01/19/bubba

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/02/21/al_arian

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/01/08/professor

http://electronicintifada.net/content/crossing-line-interviews-dr-sami-al-arians-daughter/9725

http://electronicintifada.net/content/film-review-usa-vs-al-arian/3529

http://electronicintifada.net/content/audio-interview-sami-al-arians-wife-speaks-husbands-incarceration/9645

http://electronicintifada.net/content/criminalizing-solidarity-sami-al-arian-and-war-terror-part-1/6843

http://electronicintifada.net/content/critics-see-vendetta-al-arians-legal-limbo/7603

http://electronicintifada.net/content/save-sami-al-arians-life-demand-his-immediate-release/743

http://electronicintifada.net/content/criminalizing-solidarity-sami-al-arian-and-war-terror-part-2/6842

http://electronicintifada.net/content/despite-no-conviction-sami-al-arian-remains-us-prison/7655

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne.php?articleid=13086

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/boyle.php?articleid=12089

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cdavis.php?articleid=13257

http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2009/05/27/who-will-stand-up-to-america-and-israel/

http://antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=13430

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/03/19/antiwarcom-enemy-of-the-state/

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_2006/0607032.html

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http://english.aljazeera.net/category/person/sami-al-arian

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1116-07.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/11/7622

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/03/5579

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http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1207-37.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/05/10819

Poyani (talk) 18:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Good lord, every single one of those sources listed is a complete joke. Why not throw in The Daily Kos and Firedoglake as well? Sorry, but you don't counteract bias claims by citing sources that are insanely biased in the other direction.  Counterpunch? Common Dreams? You have got to be kidding me.  The Nation? You wanna list anymore sources that come from magazines for which HIS DAUGHTER has worked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)

 * That is your argument? "I don't like your sources"?  Really? I don't think it is as relevant as you think.  Whether you like Amnesty International or not doesn't really make a difference. As it stands this article is a grotesque violation of WP:BLP, which is taken very seriously. I am going to overhaul the article in the next few days. The most amusing part of your post was your reference to his daughter though.  So you think the fact that she wrote a few articles for the Nation biases the nation beyond redemption for this article?  This article is about a man being subjected to the PATRIOT Act, yet half the sources are official US government sources.  Do you really want to raise the "conflict of interest" argument? Poyani (talk) 14:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sami Al-Arian used to write for counterpunch under pseudonym Issam Al-Amin. Counterpunch should not be cited in this article. Videotron (talk) 13:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

A few more sources:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008817424_apattacksprofessor.html

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/tampabay/access/1656511861.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Mar+06%252C+2009&author=MEG+LAUGHLIN&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&desc=JUDGE%253A+AL-ARIAN+PLEA+DEAL+MATTERS&pqatl=google

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xfQeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yIYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2767,538515&dq=sami+al+arian&hl=en

Poyani (talk) 16:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

 * CounterPunch is a reliable source, especially when the author is an academic or other profile person. This hostile denigration by unsigned persons really is problematic here. Feel free to make constructive edits. The article is on a long list of articles I haven't had a chance edit directly, but do have time to support NPOV positions! CarolMooreDC 23:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree. In addition I am certain that at the very least Amnesty International is a valid RS. Poyani (talk) 01:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

 * No, it's not. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_10#CounterPunch Jeff Song (talk) 01:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Where people agree it depends on who is writing what: It depends on who writes there. In itself it cannot be called a reliable or unreliable source (the same goes for mainstream papers though). So we have to wait to see which refs someone wants to use for what purpose. CarolMooreDC 20:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Recent revert by Epeefleche
Epeefleche. I did not understand the explanation for your revert. Were you objecting to the change in info box or content or both? Please advise! Poyani (talk) 01:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Criminal Infobox
I do not think the use of the criminal infobox is appropriate. The template for the infobox states the following:

'''Choose this template judiciously. Unwarranted or improper use of this template may violate the Biographies of living persons, Neutral point of view and Privacy policies.'''

This template is generally reserved for convicted serial killers, gangsters, mass murderers, old west outlaws, murderers, mafia members, fugitives, FBI 10 most wanted, serial rapist, mobsters, and other notorious criminals.

Al-Arian does not fit in this category. He pled guilty (under controversial circumstances) to conspiracy to make or receive contributions of funds, goods or services to or for the benefit of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. I propose the use of the more generic Person Infobox. Poyani (talk) 16:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Hi --responding to this and prior post, which I just noticed. I think the infobox is appropriate.  That list wasn't an exclusive list -- he is notable (just check the ghits), and he is notorious because of the criminal activity for which he was convicted.  Also -- please read the sentence in the template that follows the one you quoted ... if it may be used as a secondary Infobox in the middle of those articles having a section dealing with a crime of an individual whose notability is not due mainly to their being convicted criminals, such as in Winona Ryder, Martha Stewart, James Traficant, Duke Cunningham, and Tom DeLay, certainly it is appropriate to use it here, where it is the primary reason he is notable.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

 * I think once the article is made a bit more NPOV by including some excluded info, it might be brought to the community. I did some research on "conviction" and even discussed this at WikiProject Law since relevant Wiki articles not clear. A search of WP:RS shows that while prosecutors do consider a guilty plea a "conviction" it's hard to find any real legal definition that confirms that. So while Wikipedia usage does seem to be in that direction, the actual legal definition is more ambivalent. Perhaps there's even a WP:RS about this case that mentions that fact. So I think that it still is an issue that could be brought to the larger community at BLPN at some point. CarolMooreDC 03:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

 * I don't think it is a gray area at all. He pleaded guilty, and was convicted based on his guilty plea.  That's Criminal Law 101.  Could have something to do with why the prosecutor referred to it as a "conviction".--Epeefleche (talk) 03:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Per this wikipedia project law discussion no one could find any statement in law saying a plea bargain is a conviction, only prosecutor assertions that it does. If you have one from some law book or law professors book or legal statute, do tell. I'll put it in the Plea bargain article. Definitely an issue needing clarifying across wikipedia and not just this article. CarolMooreDC 15:13, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * See the first para under History in 48 Notre Dame L. 835 (1972-1973), Finality of a Plea of Guilty, The; Erickson, William H., here. --Epeefleche (talk) 17:25, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now several Wikipedia articles can be clarified. CarolMooreDC 04:29, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Reformation32 should comment on this and we can at least settle this issue, per discussion above. But per the quote from the policy on this in the quoted second paragraph at top of the thread, I don't think someone who copped a plea to an offense regarding knowledge of potential crimes in a foreign country to get out of solitary confinement is exactly a "notorious criminal." But I could be wrong. Perhaps we should take it to WP:BLP after the rest of the article is scruitinized. CarolMooreDC 02:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Recent changes/reverts
I just read through them all in order, including revert of User:Epeefleche's revert and a few comments: CarolMooreDC 05:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read BOLD, revert, discuss cycle on properly dealing with reverts. Obviously we don't want a revert war here. (The fact that so many reference links are broken and in red doesn't help. On the other hand, there are existing multiple uses of same refs in one paragraph that also need cleanup.)
 * In general it's good when you intend to rewrite an article to start in a text file, do format clean up in a sand box and then put in the info ASAP section by section, allowing people to more easily understand and discuss the changes. In a controversial article it's better to do that first with the least controversial changes and then move on to more controversial changes.
 * The article DID need better organization, fact checking of sources, new sources and more info and a less POV presentation and that was done with some edits, though detailing which could be a bit difficult since there were so many, so I really can't comment on current status or specific issues.
 * Most important is that it looks like a couple of the govt. documents you deleted as sources because of broken links could be found through a search of the name. Perhaps that also is true of some news articles. It's always good to search the title because the publication may have changed the link or some reputable source may have reprinted it.
 * However, IF the source - esp. for some negative allegation - cannot be found, then it is acceptable under WP:BLP to remove the specific material and only use material found in WP:RS referring more generally to the material in question. (Unless someone wants to just quote everything from the document in a footnote.) And there certainly is a problem with detailing everything in a govt indictment where the person was found innocent of almost all the charges, whether or not you have the document link.
 * Note criminal infobox issue was discussed above so feel free to weigh in there. And you could always bring it to the WP:BLPN noticeboard, but I have a feeling that should wait til other issues are either settled or also need community input.
 * Probably best to detail the least controversial changes you have made/want to make (depending on revert status) so we can quickly get them out of the way, and then go into the more controversial ones.

Okay. I definitely agree. Sorry it took me a while to respond. I have read through the Wikipedia policies.I certainly agree with you on virtually everything! This page needs considerable time and effort, and I have been delving through research for the page for many many days now. So I hope we can definitely address each of the concerns here. Reformation32 (talk) 16:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Great. I'm involved in a couple things today, maybe tomorrow, but hopefully over the weekend I'll just go through and see if my concerns addressed and if have any more info/refs to add. CarolMooreDC 18:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Exactly, what I was thinking. If we discuss any concerns, we can certainly speed up this process. Look forward to working with you. Reformation32 (talk) 05:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

 * But a reminder, in this case the editors who reverted have not come to explain their reverts or complain about yours. (And it helps to come and defend your changes when they do revert or it definitely gets into edit warring territory for which you can be sanctioned.) See WP:BRD for policy. CarolMooreDC 13:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Too busy getting ready for hurricane sandy and dealing with other issues to look, but after the power that surely will go out comes back on hopefully will have time to compare whatever the latest version is with original one. CarolMooreDC 12:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I know about hurricanes. Wish you well. Stay safe. Reformation32 (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Merge help please
Sami Al-Arian amd Sami Al-Arian indictments and trial should definitely be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reformation32 (talk • contribs)

 * Probably half the material in this article should be merged into Sami Al-Arian indictments and trial now that his next battle doubtless will be fighting deportation - or whatever notable things he does/happen to him that will make the news. But we can give it a week and see if feds find some new rationale for a continuation of current situation. 15:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Sheikh Abdullah Ramadan (Ramadan Abdullah Shallah) excised from article again
As I pointed out in the archives in 2007, Sami Al-Arian sponsored this individual's entry into the United States, gave him employment, and worked closely with him on an almost-daily basis, until one day in 1995 when he suddenly disappeared and popped up shortly afterwards in Damascus as the new external leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. This was what led to Al-Arian's first extended contact with the FBI, and seems to have laid the foundation for most of his subsequent legal troubles. (If Sami Al-Arian took the same line with the FBI in October/November 1995 that he did publicly -- i.e. that he had no knowledge whatsoever of Ramadan Abdullah Shallah's affiliations, and that Shallah's departure and re-emergence atop the PIJ came as complete and total utter surprise -- then it's safe to say that the FBI considered Sami Al-Arian's replies less than fully truthful.) This article doesn't mention Ramadan Abdullah Shallah at all, while article Sami Al-Arian indictments and trial merely mentions his name, but doesn't provide any context, or explain his significant role in focusing FBI attention on Sami Al-Arian. I find these omissions rather baffling (just as I did over 7 years ago)... AnonMoos (talk) 04:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * What Reliable Sources show this is notable and relevant and not a guilt by association inference? Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with AnonMoos. Carol -- just try a google search. Epeefleche (talk) 17:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 * "Guilt by association" is totally irrelevant here, because either way -- whether Sami Al-Arian was as pure as the driven snow, or whether he was guilty as sin -- it remains a simple fact that Ramadan Abdullah Shallah's exodus was the catalyst for his legal problems. Before October 1995, Sami Al-Arian had no federal legal problems (he had some public relations problems and university relations problems), but after October 1995 he was now on the FBI's radar in a big way, initially due to Ramadan Abdullah Shallah... AnonMoos (talk) 05:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree with AnonMoos and Epeefleche. This is show by sources to be notable. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * From what I saw in one ref, this seems to be relevant to why they indicted Al-Arian, an indictment that came pretty much to naught [added later: with no convictions]. It would help if somone provided a diff of the last version or best version where this info was included to see if it was taken out because it lacked decent refs, lacked proper context or was WP:Undue. Find a high quality neutral source that describes what happens and its import is what matters.  Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 01:51, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The indictment came "pretty much to naught"? He admitted to one of the charges in exchange for being released and deported, claimed that testifying in another case would violate his plea deal on the charge in the indictment that he pleaded guilty to, and when he therefore refused to testify he was held under house arrest for six years. A guilty plea on one charge is more than naught.  Deportation is more than naught.  And six years of house arrest because of disagreement over the plea arrangement stemming from the indictment is more than naught. Epeefleche (talk) 05:00, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I added "with no convictions" to clarify. Now if the government wants to mess with people and keep them in prison or under house arrest for years and years, obviously it can do so and does. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 13:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * He was guilty -- he admitted as much -- to a crime listed in the indictment. That's more than "naught". He was, as a result of being guilty of a crime listed in the indictment, to be deported.  That's more than "naught." We don't even have to go any further ... though in his case the impact of the indictment and subsequent event to it does ... The characterization of "pretty much to naught" was inaccurate. Epeefleche (talk) 15:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Let me be clear: I was making the point that there is no reason that anyone partisan out there should be against including RS/NPOV info about this factoid since it didn't affect the jury verdict. So if you want to put such info in, go for it. There is no disagreement, just waiting for someone to do some work. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 01:00, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Sheikh Abdullah Ramadan (Ramadan Abdullah Shallah) yet again for a third time in ten years
I have no desire to get into an edit war on this article (or even to really edit it at all, for that matter), but it's highly undesirable that the article omits any mention of Ramadan Abdullah Shallah, since that's how Sami Al-Arian first came to the attention of federal government law enforcement, and seems to have been the catalyst for his federal legal troubles after that point. (He had no federal legal troubles before Ramadan Abdullah Shallah absconded.) There's a good probability that if the FBI had been fully satisfied with the truthfulness and comprehensiveness of Sami Al-Arian's answers to their questions about Abdullah Shallah, then they wouldn't have bothered to go after Sami Al-Arian at that point. The omission of any mention of Ramadan Abdullah Shallah from this article is unjustified and tendentious (hopefully not malicious, but after 10 years I'm beginning to wonder...) AnonMoos (talk) 10:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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I don't want to be tiresomely repetitive, but it's highly essential that Sheikh Abdullah Ramadan (Ramadan Abdullah Shallah) should be given his proper place on this article
Sami Al-Arian first came onto the radar of the FBI when Ramadan Shalah (whose entry to the United States had been sponsored by Sami Al-Arian, and who worked with Sami Al-Arian on regular basis) absconded from the United States in 1995 and popped up as the new leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Sami Al-Arian's legal troubles at the federal level began soon after. If it hadn't been for Ramadan Shalah, Sami Al-Arian might not have had any legal problems at the federal level. It's quite likely that if federal investigators investigating the Ramadan Shalah case had been fully satisfied with the truthfulness and completeness of Sami Al-Arian's to questions with respect to Ramadan Shalah, then Sami Al-Arian would not have had legal problems at the federal level. Since the Ramadan Shalah case was a highly-important catalyst to Sami Al-Arian's career taking its downward turn, I really don't understand why he's omitted from this article... AnonMoos (talk) 16:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

 * “It's quite likely that if federal investigators investigating the Ramadan Shalah case had been fully satisfied with the truthfulness and completeness of Sami Al-Arian's to questions with respect to Ramadan Shalah, then Sami Al-Arian would not have had legal problems at the federal level.”
 * Exactly what evidence do you that suggests this could have been the case? 38.42.46.6 (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Why is the subject of the article described as an Islamicist?
I don't see any citations or later evidence in the article that actually suggests this is the case, his activism seems to be focused on Palestine and the treatment of Muslim Americans. Calling him an Islamicist based on that alone, especially someone who was targeted and tortured under dubious circumstances by the us government, seems at best insensitive to the context. 38.42.46.6 (talk) 21:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

 * I think Islamicist is an appropriate label for someone like him. He is at least a supporter of Islamist parties: Islamic Jihad, campaigned for Egyptian presidential candidate in 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdel_Moneim_Aboul_Fotouh, a supporter of the Erdogan party in Turkey, a supporter of the Iranian regime. etc. 193.134.162.64 (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Is Sami Al-Arian actually Palestinian?
Al-Arian family is a known Egyptian family. Sami Al-Arian's cousin Tarek Al-Arian https://www.instagram.com/tarekalarianofficial/ is a famous Egyptian director. Mohammed El-Erian is a famous Egyptian American economist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_A._El-Erian. Sami Al-Arian's entire family lives in Egypt and are Egyptian citizens. Palestinians who emigrated to Egypt were never able to obtain Egyptian citizenship if they cannot prove their Egyptian origin. Sami Al-Arian himself grew up in Egypt after being born in Kuwait. Sami Al-Arian was also a campaign manager for one of the Egyptian presidential candidates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdel_Moneim_Aboul_Fotouh There is virtually no presence in Gaza or the West Bank for the Al-Arian family. As a Palestinian, I am tired of the self-proclaimed Palestinian community leaders and activists. We don't need more cooks in the kitchen. For sure not someone who helped George W. Bush win the elections in 2000. Videotron (talk) 13:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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Tetsuro Watsuji

Tetsuro Watsuji (和辻 哲郎) was a Japanese historian and moral philosopher.

Early life
Watsuji was born in Himeji, Hyōgo Prefecture to a physician. During his youth he enjoyed poetry and had a passion for Western literature. For a short time he was the coeditor of a literary magazine and was involved in writing poems and plays. His interests in philosophy came to light while he was a student at First Higher School in Tokyo, although his interest in literature would always remain strong throughout his life.

In his early writings (between 1913 and 1915) he introduced the work of Søren Kierkegaard to Japan, as well as working on Friedrich Nietzsche, but in 1918 he turned against this earlier position, criticizing Western philosophical individualism, and attacking its influence on Japanese thought and life. This led to a study of the roots of Japanese culture, including Japanese Buddhist art, and notably the work of the medieval Zen Buddhist Dōgen. Watsuji was also interested in the famous Japanese writer Natsume Sōseki, whose books were influential during Watsuji's early years.

Career
In the early 1920s Watsuji taught at Toyo, Hosei and Keio universities, and at Tsuda Eigaku-juku (now, Tsuda University).

The issues of hermeneutics attracted his attention, especially the hermeneutics of Boeckh and Dilthey.

In March 1925, Watsuji became a lecturer at Kyoto Imperial University, joining the other leading philosophers of the time, Nishida Kitaro, Tanabe Hajime and Nishitani Keiji. These three philosophers were members of the Kyoto School. While Watsuji joined their department, he is not typically considered a member of the School due to the intellectual independence in his work. In July, he was promoted to associate professor of ethics.

In January 1927, it was decided that he would go to Germany for 3 years for his research on the history of moral thought. He departed on 17th February and finally arrived in Berlin in early April. In the beginning of summer, he read Heidegger’s Being and Time which had just come out. He then went to Paris. He left Paris in early December and arrived in Genoa on the 12th of that month.

From January to March 1928, he travelled to Rome, Naples, Sicily, Florence, Bologna, Ravenna, Padua and Venice. He then cut his trip short, returning to Japan in early July. So his stay in Europe only lasted for roughly a year.

In March 1931, he was promoted to full professor at Kyoto Imperial University.

He then moved to the Tokyo Imperial University in July 1934 and held the chair in ethics until his retirement in March 1949.

During World War II his theories (which claimed the superiority of Japanese approaches to and understanding of human nature and ethics, and argued for the negation of self) provided support for Japanese nationalism, a fact which, after the war, he said that he regretted.

Watsuji died at the age of 71.

Work
Watsuji's three main works were his two-volume 1954 History of Japanese Ethical Thought, his three-volume Ethics, first published in 1937, 1942, and 1949, and his 1935 Climate. The last of these develops his most distinctive thought. In it, Watsuji argues for an essential relationship between climate and other environmental factors and the nature of human cultures, and he distinguished three types of culture: pastoral, desert, and monsoon.

Watsuji wrote that Kendo involves raising a struggle to a life-transcending level by freeing oneself from an attachment to life.

List of works
Collected Works [和辻哲郎全集], 27 vols. (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1961-91) [CW].

CW1
 * Studies on Nietzsche [ニイチェ研究] (Uchida Rôkakuho [内田老鶴圃], 1913), reprinted in CW1:1-391.
 * Søren Kierkegaard [ゼエレン・キェルケゴオル] (Uchida Rôkakuho [内田老鶴圃], 1915), reprinted in CW1:393-679.

CW2
 * Pilgrimages to the Ancient Temples [古寺巡礼] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1919), reprinted in CW2:1-192.
 * Katsura Imperial Villa: Investigating the Background Behind Its Style [桂離宮——様式の背後を探る] (Chûô Kôronsha [中央公論社], 1958), reprinted in CW2:192-386.
 * Originally published as Katsura Imperial Villa: Reflections on Its Construction Process [桂離宮——製作過程の考察] (Chûô Kôronsha [中央公論社], 1955), it was significantly rewritten after receiving criticism from the architectural historian Ôta Hirotarô.

 * ‘Eyes of the Haniwa Statue’ [人物埴輪の眼] (Sekai [世界], January 1956), reprinted in CW2:387-392.
 * ‘What the Maijishan Grottoes Tell Us’ [麦積山塑像の示唆するもの] (Preface to Natori Yōnosuke, Bakusekizan Sekkutsu [麦積山石窟], Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1957), reprinted in CW2:392-400.

CW3
 * Ancient Japanese Culture [日本古代文化] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1920), reprinted in CW3:1-305.
 * The Hidden Japan [埋もれた日本] (Shinchôsha [新潮社], 1951), reprinted in CW3:307-507.

CW4
 * Studies on Japanese Intellectual History, Vol. 1 [日本精神史研究] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1926), reprinted in CW4:1-271.
 * Studies on Japanese Intellectual History, Vol. 2 [続日本精神史研究] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1935), reprinted in CW4:273-551.

CW5
 * The Practical Philosophy of Early Buddhism [原始仏教の実践哲学] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1927), reprinted in CW5:1-293.
 * The Beginnings of Buddhist Philosophy [仏教哲学の最初の展開] (Kokoro [心], June 1955-May 1958), reprinted in CW5:295-568.
 * ‘Reply to Kimura Taiken’s Criticisms’ [木村泰賢氏の批評に答う] (Shisō [思想], April 1927), reprinted in CW5:569-580.

CW6
 * Professor Koeber [ケーベル先生] (Kôbundô [弘文堂], 1948), reprinted in CW6:1-39.
 * Critique of Homer [ホメーロス批判] (Kaname Shobô [要書房], 1946), reprinted in CW6:41-255.
 * Confucius [孔子] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1938), reprinted in CW6:257-355.
 * Forerunners of the Modern Philosophy of History: Vico and Herder [近代歴史哲学の先駆者——ヴィコとヘルダー] (Kôbundô [弘文堂], 1950), reprinted in CW6:357-421.
 * On Vico among others.

CW7
 * The Cultural Significance of Early Christianity [原始キリスト教の文化的意義] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1926), reprinted in CW7:1-150.
 * Ethics of Humanity in the Polis [ポリス的人間の倫理学] (Hakujitsu Shoin [白日書院], 1948), reprinted in CW7:151-350.

CW8
 * Climate: Philosophico-Anthropological Reflections [風土——人間学的考察] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1935), reprinted in CW8:1-256.
 * Pilgrimages to the Ancient Temples of Italy [イタリア古寺巡礼] (Kaname Shobô [要書房], 1950), reprinted in CW8:257-408.

CW9
 * Ethics as the Study of Humanity [人間の学としての倫理学] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1934), reprinted in CW9:1-192.
 * Kant’s Critique of Practical Reason [カント実践理性批判] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1935), reprinted in CW9:193-315.
 * Personality and Human Nature [人格と人類性] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1938), reprinted in CW9:317-479.

CW10
 * Ethics, Vol. 1 [倫理学(上)] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1937-42), reprinted in CW10:1-659.

CW11
 * Ethics, Vol. 2 [倫理学(下)] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1949), reprinted in CW11:1-448.

CW12
 * A History of Japanese Ethical Thought, Vol. 1 [日本倫理思想史(上)] (Tokyo: Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1952), reprinted in CW12:1-514.

CW13
 * A History of Japanese Ethical Thought, Vol. 2 [日本倫理思想史(下)] (Tokyo: Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1952), reprinted in CW13:1-496.

CW14
 * Royalist Thought and Its Tradition [尊皇思想とその伝統] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1943), reprinted in CW14:1-294.
 * The Way of the Imperial Subject in Japan [日本の臣道] (Chikuma Shobô [筑摩書房], 1944), reprinted in CW14:295-312.
 * Published together with The National Character of the United States [アメリカの国民性]. The book was ordered banned from sale by SCAP during the US Occupation.

 * The Symbol of National Unification [国民統合の象徴] (Keisô Shobô [勁草書房], 1948), reprinted in CW14:313-396.

CW15
 * Sakoku: Japan’s Tragedy [鎖国——日本の悲劇] (Chikuma Shobô [筑摩書房], 1950), reprinted in CW15:1-562.

CW16
 * Studies on the History of Japanese Art: Kabuki and Jōruri [日本芸術史研究——歌舞伎と操り浄瑠璃] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1955), reprinted in CW16:1-716.

CW17
 * The Revival of the Idol [偶像再興] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1918), reprinted in CW17:1-284.
 * Mask and Persona [面とペルソナ] (Iwanami Shoten [岩波書店], 1937), reprinted in CW17:285-450.
 * The National Character of the United States [アメリカの国民性] (Chikuma Shobô [筑摩書房], 1944), reprinted in CW17:451-481.
 * Published together with The Way of the Imperial Subject in Japan [日本の臣道].

CW18
 * An Attempt at Autobiography [自叙伝の試み] (Chûô Kôronsha [中央公論社], 1961), reprinted in CW18:1-458.
 * Unfinished work, posthumous publication.

CW19
 * A History of Buddhist Ethical Thought [仏教倫理思想史]
 * Previously unpublished work.

CW20-24
 * Essays

CW25
 * Letters

CW26
 * Lecture Notes

CW27
 * Notes and Miscellanea

English translations

 * 1961: Climate and Culture: A Philosophical Study trans. from by Geoffrey Bownas (Westport, CT: Greenwood Press)
 * 1969: Japanese Ethical Thought in the Noh Plays of the Muromachi Period trans. from chapter 4 of by David A. Dilworth (Monumenta Nipponica 24:4, 467-498)
 * 1971: The Significance of Ethics As the Study of Man trans. from the introduction to vol. 1 by David A. Dilworth (Monumenta Nipponica 26:3/4, 395-413)
 * 1996: Watsuji Tetsurō's Rinrigaku: Ethics in Japan trans. from the first half of  vol. 1 by Seisaku Yamamoto & Robert Carter (Albany: State University of New York Press)
 * 1998: Various essays in Sourcebook for Modern Japanese Philosophy by David Dilworth and Valdo Viglielmo with Agustin Jacinto Zavala.
 * 2009: Mask and Persona trans. from by Carl M. Johnson
 * 2009: The Psychology of Idol Worship trans. from by Carl M. Johnson
 * 2011: Purifying Zen: Watsuji Tetsurō's Shamon Dōgen trans. from by Steve Bein (Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press)
 * 2011: Pilgrimages to the Ancient Temples in Nara trans. from by Hiroshi Nara (Portland, ME: MerwinAsia) (2012)
 * 2021: “Professor Koeber” trans. K.M.J. Shuttleworth and Sayaka Shuttleworth. Journal of East Asian Philosophy 1: 75–99 (2021).
 * 2021: “Middle School” from Attempt at an Autobiography trans. K.M.J. Shuttleworth and Sayaka Shuttleworth.  European Journal of Japanese Philosophy 6:  267–322 (2021).
 * 2021: “America’s National Character” trans. K.M.J. Shuttleworth and Sayaka Shuttleworth. Philosophy East and West 71 (4):1005-1028 (2021)
 * 2023: "A Consideration of National Character' trans. K.M.J. Shuttleworth. Journal East Asian Philosophy (2023).

title: Tetsuro Watsuji


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Theodor Otto Diener

Theodor Otto Diener (28 February 1921 – 28 March 2023) was a Swiss-American plant pathologist. In 1971, he discovered that the causative agent of the potato spindle tuber disease is not a virus, but a novel agent, which consists solely of a short strand of single-stranded RNA without a protein capsid, eighty times smaller than the smallest viruses. He proposed to name it, and similar agents yet to be discovered, viroids. Viroids displaced viruses as the smallest known infectious agents.

Biography
Diener was born in Zürich, Switzerland on 28 February 1921. He attended the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, from which he graduated with a Dr.sc.nat.ETH degree in 1946. After graduation, he worked as a research assistant at the Swiss Federal Experiment Station for Viticulture and Horticulture at Wädenswil, where he discovered on leaves of a cherry tree the first occurrence in more than 100 years of a rust fungus (Puccinia cerasi), a fungus which is common south of the Alps, but is rarely seen in the north.

In 1949, he emigrated to the United States, where, after a brief tenure at the Rhode Island State College, he accepted a position as assistant plant pathologist at Washington State University's outlying Irrigation Experiment Station in Prosser, where he showed that an unusual amino acid, pipecolic acid, accumulates only in peach leaves bearing symptoms of Western-X-Disease. and that injection of the amino acid into healthy peach seedlings resulted in abnormalities which strikingly resembled disease symptoms, thus indicating that pipecolic acid is intimately associated with the disease's molecular pathogenesis.

In 1959, Diener joined the US Department of Agriculture's Agricultural Research Service Pioneering Laboratory for Plant Virology at the Agricultural Research Center in Beltsville, Maryland, where he investigated the cause of the potato spindle tuber disease. This led to the unexpected discovery of the causative agent, a small RNA molecule, eighty times smaller than the smallest known viruses, for which he proposed the term viroid. Later, viroids were characterized as single stranded covalently closed circular RNA molecules occurring as highly base-paired rod-like structures. Viroids, together with viroid-like satellite RNAs have been officially endorsed by the International Committee for Virus Taxonomy (ICTV) as a novel order of subviral agents, which, in its 2014 publication, encompassed 2 families, 8 genera and 32 species.

In 1989, Diener hypothesized that the unique properties of viroids make them more plausible candidates as "living relics" of a hypothetical, pre-cellular RNA world than are Introns or other RNAs then considered as such. In 2016, Diener reevaluated his hypothesis, with the result that both reviewers agreed that Diener's hypothesis was still valid, but that alternative hypotheses positing a more recent origin of viroids from cellular RNAs needed also to be considered.

Diener had three sons with his first wife, Shirley Baumann, before they divorced. He was then married to Sybil Fox from 1968 until her death in 2012. Diener died at his home in Beltsville, Maryland on 28 March 2023, at the age of 102.

Diener published 2 books on viroids, 120 peer-reviewed articles, 53 chapters in books, and lectured on viroids worldwide

Awards and honors

 * 1968: Campbell Award, American Institute of Biological Sciences
 * 1969: Superior Service Award, U.S. Department of Agriculture
 * 1973: Fellow Award; American Phytopathological Society
 * 1975: Alexander von Humboldt Award, Alexander von Humboldt Society
 * 1976: Ruth Allen Award: American Phytopathological Society
 * 1977: Elected Member; U.S. National Academy of Sciences
 * 1978: Elected Fellow, American Academy of Arts and Sciences
 * 1979: Elected Andrew D. White Professor-at-Large, Cornell University
 * 1980: Elected member, Leopoldina, German Academy of Sciences
 * 1987: Wolf Prize in Agriculture, Wolf Foundation/State of Israel
 * 1987: National Medal of Science, USA
 * 1988: E.C. Stakman Award, University of Minnesota
 * 1988: Distinguished Service Award, Potomac Division, American Phytopathological Society
 * 1989: Inducted into Science Hall of Fame, Agricultural Research Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture
 * 1989: Named Distinguished Professor, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
 * 1994: Named Distinguished Professor Emeritus, University of Maryland, College Park, MD

title: Theodor Otto Diener