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Wikimania in Atlanta!
Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 09:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi!
Hello! I saw your edits at Montoneros, and, being a bit too much curious, found out that you were a law librarian. So I allow myself to attract your attention on Augusto Pinochet's arrest and trial and universal jurisdiction entries, which both would benefit from some scholarly improvement. Now that the trial of Pinochet has been unexpectedly suspended (although much of the cases continue to be investigated), it is a bit easier achieving a stable version of this page. Hope you don't mind this notice, fare well ! Tazmaniacs 00:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adopting an article
Welcome to WikiProject Environment and thanks for adopting Barry Commoner. If you run into an issue or need some help, leave me a message in my talk page and I'll quickly come to help you. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comment and Expansion of Syngas Fermentation Article
Hi Walshga,

I am a PhD student at Iowa State University who is working syngas fermentation project. I have been trying to write an article for the Wikipproject Energy Development. I need your comment, and help for the expansion of the article. If you can help me, I am gladly be happy for that.

Thanks

Ferit Isik 16:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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Transverse wave
I'm happy it helps (-;

Thanks for your encouragements…

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AfD nomination of F+A Architects
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Alphabetization and collation
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Nu-Way article
As you probably noticed I have made some edits to the Nu-Way article. I see that you created it and have contributed to the majority. I was just going to let you know I am not trying to take it over. I had been wanting to make a Nu-Way article for a long time, but never got around to it. Next time I looked into creating it, it was already done. I have tried to do some updating and revision. I went back and tried to make my citations similar to yours so that it would look clean and more uniform. I still have some things I had planning on adding. The main one is creating a section just for features, and recognitions. There have been numerous ones, and I figured that would be a good addition. That would add to the content and to the overall notability. Let me know if you have any ideas to work on or if you have any problems with my edits. Let you know your thoughts on it. Thanks. Brinkley32 (talk) 23:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am back in Macon for the weekend (been away at college). I can take some pictures if you need me to. I am not sure exactly how to upload them and all, but I am sure I could figure it out. Also what pictures would we need? Just the one downtown? If so, the sign or the "storefront"? I always go to the one at Zebulon, but I don't know how that would go over since that is only one in the chain, not the main one. Let me know whenever you can. I may go ahead and take some tomorrow downtown anyway, since you probably won't have time to respond. Just let me know what you think. Brinkley32 (talk) 05:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum
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Talk:List of environmental lawsuits#Criteria for inclusion: overinclusive?
Your comment(s) at Talk:List of environmental lawsuits are welcome. Wavelength (talk) 22:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Request for help concerning energy...
Hi,

I noticed you listed yourself as a participant of the Energy WikiProject.

There are 2 new outlines in this area that attempt to consolidate Wikipedia's coverage of their respective subjects, gathering and organizing the articles about them into one place and including descriptions for convenience. The purposes of these outlines are to make it easier for readers to survey or review a whole subject, and to choose from Wikipedia's many articles about it.

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Thank you. Sincerely, The Transhumanist 00:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC) P.S.: see also Outline of energy

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Phillip Lane article edit
You removed a substantive edit on an article on a key figure in European central bank politics with solid data and a good argument because it was a pseudonymous publication. Thanks for promoting critical scrutinty, buddy. Clown show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.72.234 (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Them's the rules. Feel free to acquaint yourself on WP:BLP. --bender235 (talk) 00:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Vernon Jarrett
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Your comment was reverted by mistake. I did not realize that I had inadvertently clicked the wrong area of the screen after I reviewed the comment that you've left on the Vernon Jarrett talk page. Sending my apologies for that error. → Lwalt ♦ talk 00:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I figured it must've been by mistake. --bender235 (talk) 02:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Gutenberg–Richter law
Your sarcastic edit summary does not make you right. Invoking WP:OWN is always the last refuge of those that do not have a case. Nor does it make me wrong. The "comical inconsistency" was not introduced by me. Rather it was your edit that introduced it, or at least made it worse, by templating only two of the existing 17 references. SpinningSpark 07:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

 * The citation style of the article is inconsistent and incomplete as of your latest revert. Some article titles are in quotation marks, others aren't. For some references publication year is written after author name, for others after journal volume. For some references the year is in parentheses, for others it isn't. I could go on. But I'm not blaming you for that, since it's most likely the consequence of different authors adding "their" citations over the years. What upset me was the implied duty on my part to first having any fixes to the citation style "discussed" somewhere, as if Wikipedia needed more bureaucracy for petty issues like this. --bender235 (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The need for a discussion is explained at WP:CITEVAR. That's mot new bureaucracy, it's established long-standing bureaucracy.  I'm not against making the style consistent, but the one thing that editors contributing to this page have been entirely 100% consistent in is not using templates. I see no good reason for not respecting that. SpinningSpark 15:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

 * "Not using templates" is not a citation style, let alone a consistent one. That's like considering "not using a typewriter" a literary genre. --bender235 (talk) 19:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ with that. And you are now contradicting yourself. If templates are not part of citation style, then inserting them certainly cannot be justified with the rationale of making styles consistent. Besides, preserving styles is a globally recognised principle per WP:STYLEVAR, not just limited to citations. There is no specific guidance on using typewriters, and I couldn't care less whether you do or not, but there is guidance on citation templates in WP:CITECONSENSUS The use of citation templates is neither encouraged nor discouraged: an article should not be switched between templated and non-templated citations without good reason and consensus (my emphasis). CITEVAR also explicitly covers this point; showing that the guidelines recognise templates as part of the style even if you don't. SpinningSpark 16:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

 * I know this policy, and it has been dumb from the moment it was created. It was meant to reduce unnecessary bickering over nuances in citation styles, but it led to stubborn, backward-minded users monkeywrenching the process of converging to a uniform citation style throughout Wikipedia. I mean, think about what is supposed to happen now if we followed WP policy by the letter: I'm supposed to open a thread on the article talk page to ask whether there's consensus to adopt citation templates, and you would object. And it would be only you, because the article had like 4 different contributors over the last half-decade total, most of whom aren't going to bother to respond for months. Bottom line: everything stays as is.
 * Now to the other point: what I wrote was "no templates" is not a consistent citation style. You can certainly have a consistent citation style without using templates (the article decidedly does not), if you consistently follow some citation manual. But just the fact of "no templates were being used" does not make a citation style consistent.
 * The reason we have those templates on Wikipedia is to simplify the process of having truly consistent citation styles, both within an article and across different articles. Once you have templates adopted widely, you can change the citation style (if needed) with little effort if needed. And finally, and in my opinion most importantly: these templates create a hidden Dublin Core object (search for "Z3988" in the HTML code any article that uses citation templates) that makes the citations machine readable.
 * To me, these benefits outweigh the "costs" of templates (are there any, really?). But you, for any reason or no reason at all, will disagree. --bender235 (talk) 17:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I stopped reading after you said the policy "has been dumb from the moment it was created". If this discussion is not going to be based on policy, then I'm withdrawing from it.  Editing articles should be in accordance with policy.  If you don't like the policy, take it to a policy discussion page, not fight it out in articles. SpinningSpark 14:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You're free to reserve the right to be offended on behalf of a policy. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt. --bender235 (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

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recent edits to Laplace's Approximation
I have couple of issues with your two recent 2023-02-15 edits to the page on Laplace's Approximation. I'll explain:

1) since wikipedia has encyclopedic nature, it is important that it clearly defines its subject. The previous version's first sentence was:

Laplace's approximation fits an un-normalised Gaussian approximation to a (twice differentiable) un-normalised target density.

which is a concise description of what it actually is. But your edit deletes this.

2) Laplace's Approximation is used in many numerate fields, such as, but not limited to (Bayesian) Statistics, Physics, etc. The previous page made this clear, and presented its use in Bayesian analysis as an example domain. After your edit, you simply silently assume that the domain is Bayesian Statistics.

3) your current edit days "Laplace's approximation provides an analytic expression for the posterior probability distribution...". I have several issues with this: a) "analytic expression" is not very precise, it neglects to mention that it is an approximation and that it is Gaussian, therefore "Gaussian approximation" is much more accurate. b) Laplace's approximation gives both an approximation to the posterior and to the marginal likelihood, this was carefully pointed out in the previous version, but is lost after your edit.

4) the definition given in terms of MAP and Fisher info only makes sense in the particular use of Laplace's approximation to Bayesian Statistics, unlike the previous version.

5) you say "Laplace is justified by Bernstein von Mises". I think this is not necessarily so, I would say at most "may be justified by". Whether or not an asymptotic property is a justification may greatly depend on the application. Clearly, Laplace himself didn't justify his method by Berstein von Mises. This sentence also uses vocabulary which hasn't yet been defined, for example "posterior" and "large sample". It isn't very understandable to a reader consulting the wikipedia page to figure out what Laplace's Approximation really is.

For these reasons, I think the version prior to your edit was superior. If you want to add links to Fisher Information and Bernstein von Mises, I think this would be great, but it should be added much further down in the page, after the necessary concepts have been properly introduced. I look forward to hear your views.

Inference (talk) 11:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I was under the impression that the whole reason why Laplace's approximation was split from Laplace's method was so that the former can focus on the particular application in statistics, whereas the latter discusses the concept in more general terms. Since you were the one who originally created Laplace's approximation, let me know what was your original motivation for the split, and how did you plan to distinguish between the two articles in terms of content? --bender235 (talk) 12:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks bender235. The reason that I wrote "Laplace's approximation" distinct from "Laplace's method" is specified in the first line of the page
 * Although the fundamental construction is the same in the two pages, I found it difficult to recognise the use that I describe, which is a pity, as it is fairly simple and elegant. I don't really have a strong view whether this should really be one common page or two separate pages, as long as everything is a clear as possible. A separate page seemed easiest for me. Inference (talk) 19:01, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * We may disagree on this one, but I prefer the split between Laplace's method in general in one article, and its application in Bayesian statistics in the other. We could ask WT:WPSTATS for additional opinions if you want. --bender235 (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think the distinction right now is really "more general" vs "specific to various fields". The current Laplace's method is almost exclusively about the value of the integral in the limit, whereas Laplace's approximation is both about the value of the integral AND the integrand, and not in the limit. I also think that specialising to "its application in Bayesian statistics" may really represent a lost opportunity for unification; the (artificial) boundaries between traditional fields epitomises some of the problems science faces. If we only write pages on a mathematical method specifically and separately for physics, for statistics, for machine learning, for engineering, for signal processing etc, then that blocks cross-fertilisation and hinders understanding and progress. Mind you, I'm not saying there couldn't be a page called "Laplace's approximation applied to Bayesian statistics" -- I just happen to be particularly interested in the unifying view. Sure, other's perspective may be interesting. Inference (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think the distinction right now is really "more general" vs "specific to various fields". The current Laplace's method is almost exclusively about the value of the integral in the limit, whereas Laplace's approximation is both about the value of the integral AND the integrand, and not in the limit. I also think that specialising to "its application in Bayesian statistics" may really represent a lost opportunity for unification; the (artificial) boundaries between traditional fields epitomises some of the problems science faces. If we only write pages on a mathematical method specifically and separately for physics, for statistics, for machine learning, for engineering, for signal processing etc, then that blocks cross-fertilisation and hinders understanding and progress. Mind you, I'm not saying there couldn't be a page called "Laplace's approximation applied to Bayesian statistics" -- I just happen to be particularly interested in the unifying view. Sure, other's perspective may be interesting. Inference (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure I understand your general plan for these two articles. Why couldn't selected applications also be discussed in Laplace's method? --bender235 (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you think I have plans for Laplace's method, and don't see any reason why selected applications couldn't be discussed on that page. Why shouldn't we have a page called "Laplace's approximation" being about approximating the integrand and integral, not in the limit, and not assuming any specific application field, but including any field where it may be of interest? That would be exactly what was implied by the title, and it happens not to coincide with the current content of Laplace's method (which has been well signposted). Inference (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I'm sympathetic to your idea, but you have to admit the article as currently constructed really focuses on the Bayesian application (not just the lead, but the example as well). Are you planning to add all the material and use cases you've mentioned? --bender235 (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, that sounds good. Yes, the focus is currently on the application in approximate Bayesian inference. I may add the application to neural networks. Technically this is also Bayesian inference of course, but since these models have very large numbers of parameters, the method is adapted in various ways. Inference (talk) 20:49, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Victor La Mer
Hallo, You recently moved this, citing "spelling of last name according to VIAF", but all three sources use the spelling "LaMer" (chair named for him, NAS biog memoir - ignore the title page, APS fellows list. See also ANB. Could you please move him back to this, the most common spelling of his name. Thanks. Pam  D  21:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * I didn't think I was able to move it myself, but it seems I can do so - leaving this here to alert you to the undoing of your move. Pam  D  22:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * It seems all library catalogues are unanimous in their spelling. Plus, he seems to have spelled his own name "La Mer" in all his publications (example:, ), or at least I couldn't find anything that use your suggested spelling of "LaMer". --bender235 (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Far from unanimous: Worldcat is not even consistent LaMer or La Mer. I wonder whether Google and Viaf feed off each other? But the four sources I mentioned above seem convincing. See this for an example using LaMer. Pam  D  23:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Worldcat is not an authority control. I was talking about actual national libaries, like Library of Congress; "LaMer" isn't even listed among the variants there. I'm still not finding those third-party sources credible. When in doubt, we should go by however the person himself spelled his name. His doctoral thesis spells his name "La Mer". --bender235 (talk) 01:09, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

 * Cute, but WP:DTR. Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 20:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * Casting aspersions makes you irrelevant. Consider yourself ignored (lucky in that respect as there is so much I can say about you). M.Bitton (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Much to "say about me"? Don't hold back. --bender235 (talk) 22:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't want to sink to your level. Anyway, you made yourself irrelevant (forever). M.Bitton (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been contributing to Wikipedia for almost 20 years now, but I don't recall ever crossing you in any way. Seriously, elaborate if you can why you would have an apparent personal issue with me. --bender235 (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Suggest you both take this offline and hat the thread starting with WP:ADVOCACY as it's about personal contributors and not this article. Andre🚐 22:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library
Hey, wanted to see if you had an account on this, as it has a tremendous JSTOR access. Andre🚐 22:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 * I do have JSTOR access already from work, but thank you for letting me know. --bender235 (talk) 23:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh ok great. You may already have good sources. Not trying to be patronizing. Just figuring I'd mention it since you were using the Google Books and old NYT links. Those are good too. But there are some really good academic sources behind paywalls. Wikipedia Library also gives you De Gruyter, Cambridge, EbscoHost, Proquest, Gale, etc Andre🚐 23:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 * I understand what you mean, and I do have a preference for academic sources over newspaper articles. We have to keep in mind, though, that most of our readers do not have JSTOR etc. access, so Google Books links are generally a good idea. --bender235 (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Just my 2c, when possible, I suggest you combine the sources like I suggested, bundle the easily accessible Google or NYT primary sources with higher quality academic sources that are more authoritative and less wiggle room for people crying WP:RSOPINION. I get what you mean about trying to make sure readers can access all of the material. That's why I mentioned TWL because I think it's underappreciated and underutilized and you really don't need much to get into it, basically just extended-confirmed user and the willingness to sign up for an account that asks for some information like a real name and email. Andre🚐 23:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hey, @Bender235 This person needs a Wikipedia page.(Moslem Kazemi) Do you think they have enough notability to do this? Can you see their name in any competitions they have participated in and search? Please help us with this. Thank you.I ,hope (: I apologize if my answer is unclear. Group A) Team Kazma SC) and is on the player's name page.Check the references 1 2 3 4 5 6The most well-known beach handball tournament is the World Championship, and this person has participated in these tournaments with the national team as much as necessary.2022 Asian Beach Handball Championship> Moslem Kazemi ,be created:) ALIREZA HASANVAND (talk) 10:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Fallout: New Vegas / FNV
Help me out here, because this sure seems like a case of rules preventing the improvement of Wikipedia. It's eminently verifiable that Fallout: New Vegas is commonly abbreviated as FNV. Looking back in the page history, I can see I'm not the first to add it. Using a Firefox private window, the game was in multiple first-page results in a search for the letters on Google, DuckDuckGo, and Bing. (There was also a company we have an article on but was not previously listed. I added it, so that's something!) I could follow the advice of WP:DABABBREV and add it to the article, but... is that helpful, or just clutter? To be totally honest, I'd only be doing it to support the entry on the disambiguation page.

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 * Yarp, but that isn't my source: I don't have any more than the work and date info that was already there. Hopefully the error will spur somebody who does have access to the original source to both verify it and update the .  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:08, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * Yeah, I expected that might be the case.   In this instance, not only is the original source still not my own, but I couldn't even load the target page due to technical hurdles I'm suffering.  Again, though, when an editor has access to the actual original sources and is spurred to fully kit out those sources, hopefully the ambiguation will slso be specified.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 11:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * I'll be damned, you're right. This should've fixed it.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Removing sources?
I appreciate the expansion, but the source removal confuses me -- it went from fourteen to eight? This one, for example; sure, it's a passing mention, but passing mentions aren't bad. They don't confer notability, of course, but they don't detract from it or anything. jp×g 05:27, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

proof of life
Just verifying for that I'm the same editor they're speaking with off-wiki. —  Fourthords  | =Λ= | 01:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Updating date tags on maintenance templates
Hey, small question, but when you update the date parameter on a maintenance template like use mdy dates (eg here: ), what is the purpose of that date change? — HTGS (talk) 22:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I just go ahead and update it for the same reasons the bots do, to indicate the most-recent date that the specific-fomatting conventions were checked. If I'm already in an article's edit, I might as well update the formatting template, which'll save somebody else time and effort down the line when checking articles which haven't had their templates updated in ages.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 00:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess I’m really asking though why the template would need to be “checked”? Like, it’s not like MDY or DMY date formats would change for an article over time. — HTGS (talk) 04:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As I see it, the template serves two purposes: (1) formatting citation-template dates so that 2022-04-01 gets automatically rendered in the article as "April 1, 2023" or "1 April 2023"; and (2) to serve as a notice to editors, alerting them to which format they should use.It's not the template that needs to be "checked", but articles need to be checked periodically to make sure they're using the correct date format. Say you live in the US where the typical date format is MDY, and you often edit US-related topics, where MDY dates are usually appropriate, so you never even need to think about other date formats.  However, WP:MILDATE says that articles about the US military should be using DMY dates, but if you don't realize that, and if you don't see the template, you might accidentally use the wrong—MDY—date format in the article while working on it.  If I later go to edit USS Dingleberry or Flibbertigibbet Air Force Base, and notice that the  hasn't been updated since 2019, I'll take an extra minute or two to double-check the article's dates, find where you accidentally used the wrong format, and I can quickly fix it while I'm there.  Does that make sense?  I'm just telling other editors, "Hey, this article's prose was checked for correctly-formatted dates really recently, so you needn't bother."  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 22:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thaaaat makes a lot more sense. Thanks so much for explaining it, honestly. I was going around so confused that it would ever need changing—or even thinking that the older date maybe should have been more important—but setting the date to indicate that makes so much sense. — HTGS (talk) 20:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm glad (and more than a little surprised) I could help! —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 05:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Dispute in Falling from Grace (film) article. Thank you. QuasyBoy (talk) 01:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, more power to ya! Do you need me to read and provide input there, or've you and the preexisting discussion got it covered?  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 05:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Just waiting for an administrator to respond to my request. I hope you will participate. QuasyBoy (talk) 07:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you need me to, I certainly don't mind stopping by and saying "hi!". —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 07:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh fuck me.
It looks like I unwatched my own user/talk page back in November when replying to the above. I will now reply to the messages below. —  Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Violet Keene
In reference to this conversation, you and I last spoke in September 2023 at: Talk:Violet Keene.

To whom this may concern:

Miss Keene (Violet Keene) is my great-grandmother; you'd told me in September, to get her English birth certificate.

I have it; her mother, Minna Keene is listed as the informant, and Violet's birthdate is, in fact, the 8 August 1893.

I can send a photograph as verification, if you'd like to see it. LucilleBall (talk) 06:46, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In September I referred you to the reliable-sources guideline, saying that materials needed to be reputably published for us to use them. I have, also, seen you message at that talk page and replied there as well.  So sorry for the delay!  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Slavica Ecclestone
Would you be so kind to review Slavica Ecclestone's article because there is a very disruptive, irrational contributor Denle1 with a political agenda. Thanks. Dekker2 (talk) 12:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * After these many months, I'm not sure to what you're referring. Does that article still need review?  So sorry for the delay here!  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Coagula
Hi there! I see you've reverted my bot twice on Talk:Coagula. The B-class parameters were recently from WikiProject Comics (as a result of this discussion at WT:COUNCIL). See the discussion at Template talk:WikiProject banner shell. GoingBatty (talk) 13:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I missed your comment here, but I think it was addressed in these edits of mine. So sorry for the delay!  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Pete Postlethwaite edit
I was astonished to discover this edit, in which you removed from a (dead) subject's biography all material within the article body pertaining to his most famous career roles, presumably on the basis that the paragraph was tagged for citation. Do you mind correcting that, please? cn is an invitation to improvement, not a death sentence, and the article as it stands is massively less evenly-weighted as a result. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:09, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've now undone the majority of this change. I'd still be keen to know why you made it in the first place. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * When you say, I assume that IAW Verifiability you also provided "an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." Because "material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source."  Right?  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at that edit, I was removing uncited material (some seven years old) IAW Verifiability, as I linked to in my original edit summary. According to our policy,  would be "providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the ANI
 GraziePrego has given you a bowl of peaches! This delicious fruit promotes WikiLove and has hopefully made your day juicier. Spread peachiness and WikiLove by giving someone else some peaches, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend, by adding {{subst:Peach}} to their talk page with a friendly message!

''I'm astonished by the tone and attitude that Bearcat has used against you, and I hope it doesn't put you off from continuing to build Wikipedia. Happy editing! GraziePrego (talk) 00:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)''

 * Gotta say, I do love peaches! Thanks!  Do you have any suggestions about how I should move forward?  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
I think you should apply for the Autopatrolled user right. I just reviewed Press Your Luck scandal at NPP and it seemed excellent to me. A brief check of your Xtools stats suggest you should be eligible; doing this will help NPP get on top of the backlog by removing the need for us to review every article you create. Best, Toadspike (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Michael Larson a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Press Your Luck scandal. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. Jax 0677 (talk) 20:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the kind words! I will look into this at a later date, yes.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Michael Larson a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Press Your Luck scandal. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. Jax 0677 (talk) 20:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't. The content of the latter article was originally and entirely developed independently of the former.  Press Your Luck scandal was created from whole cloth, and then Michael Larson was turned into a redirect.  I've boldly removed the  because I was worried a bot might make a technical mess by trying to merge two different wholly distinct article histories.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

What exactly is unrepresentative?
"Republican state legislators particularly relish passing legislation to exploit child labor. The Louisiana bill, now before the state Senate, is sponsored by Roger Wilder III, a Republican freshman who owns 19 Smoothie King franchises scattered throughout Louisiana and the Deep South."

What from that doesn't translate into what I wrote...? 92.21.86.180 (talk) 13:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

"Glory Hallelujah" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glory_Hallelujah&redirect=no Glory Hallelujah] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Rusalkii (talk) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If there's a better destination for that page, I certainly don't object. The page previously didn't exist at all, so turning it into the redirect as I did was just a helpful navigational aid for the time.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 23:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You'll have to comment at the discussion page for your opinion to be counted. It does look like you don't object to any outcome though. Jay  💬 14:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You're right on both counts. —  <templatestyles src="Template:Color/styles.css" /> Fourthords  | =Λ= | 16:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Map bugs
wrt Template talk:OSM Location map. The programmers who introduced these bugs on map transitions across 180 degrees did not write consistent wrap around code for two behind the scenes modules when Kartographer implemented. Issues go back to 2016 at least. Perhaps a moan from a typical user editor will do some good as issue has been graded ever downwards to low priority. In practice it means you can't use Kartographer with overlaid features mapped by coordinate that cross 180 degrees to get consistent display on click through from the default map image generated to minimise bandwidth and server load. Cheers ChaseKiwi (talk) 13:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

TemplateStyles in signatures
Please remove the TemplateStyles tag from your signature. This has the same effect as a template, which are not allowed in signatures. IznoPublic (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I haven't changed my signature since August 2019, and that was just a capitalization; the style has been consistent for nigh decades at this point. I see what you're talking about in my recent posts, but as recently as 2 April 2024, it wasn't doing that, with the first instance being this signature on 3 April 2024.  All the while, the coded signature in my preferences hasn't changed.  It looks like I've been substituting  since maybe 2006?  Any thoughts?  —  <templatestyles src="Template:Color/styles.css" /> Fourthords  | =Λ= | 19:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, saw the ping. I will revert the problematic change. Consider not substing the template for the future. IznoPublic (talk) 20:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What's the ping? I haven't changed anything yet, though.  If substituting the template in the signature is the problem, how would I get the same outcome with the minimum/most-efficient coding (to keep it small)?  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 21:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This ping. I've fixed the issue, but to answer the question, here is what you can/should place in the signature box instead: . IznoPublic (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Gotcha! Sorry, I didn't think to assume you were watching their talk page.  Thanks for the heads-up; I've replaced the substitution code in my signature, and this'll be its first test:  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 02:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks identical to me! Thanks again.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 02:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Regarding talk page archives
Hello,. I wanted to reach out in case any of my edits to your talk archives were confusing and/or bothersome. At some point in the future, archive will be updated with the code from aan, so I've been going through and converting any talk page that used archive+archive navigation to just use aan. You're welcome to ask questions, but I mostly just wanted to reach out and offer an explanation. Take care, Rjjiii  (talk) 01:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So you're saying that is going to be merged into .  So you replaced the target of the merge, the template that's going to be kept and maintained, with a redirect to the template which is going away?  You replaced the template I specifically added to my archives with a redirection to a template that's being replaced with the template I already specifically added to my archives.  That's expending effort (yours, your bot's, and the server's) to effect no functional change except to compel all those users' pages to expend that tiny more server effort (redirection) in the future.  Yes, thank you for the… explanation.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 18:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope. In the future, archive will work as aan works now. Pages that currently use archive plus archive navigation would have two rows of duplicate links. Rjjiii  (talk) 18:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * First of all, doesn't "work" at all because it isn't a template; it's a redirect to .  More saliently, if  is going to be functionally synonymous with, then why replace other users' preexisting instances of the former with a redirect to the latter, at all?  Because based on what you youself're saying, that's literally 100% unnecessary (especially the redirection).  Here you replaced two templates with a redirect to a third, when by your own claims, simply removing  would have accomplished the exact same thing.  For that matter, the simplest and least intrusive thing you should have done was to simply post once on those users' talk pages that: templates they're using will be undergoing changes and merging, thereby letting them edit their own archives as they needed or desired.Ultimately, it's all moot, now: your bot's already edited across countless pages, and I've already repaired my archives from its one-time run.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 19:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "Because based on what you youself're saying, that's literally 100% unnecessary (especially the redirection)." Nope. Removing archive navigation would remove the navigation links until the templates are merged. Additionally, some archive pages have atypical titles like "August 2007-08" or "9¢", that automatic archive navigator cannot locate. This seems to have upset you, so I apologize for that. Take care, Rjjiii  (talk) 19:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As unnecessary and excessive behavior I've never before encountered by an approved bot, I'm more utterly baffled and agog rather than upset. Your apology is appreciated, but I'd still recommend you be wary of making such sweeping, preemptive, and unnecessary changes to user pages not your own.  Nobody finds talk-page messages undue—that's their very purpose; changing the expected and future behavior of their pages on their presumptive behalf can be perceived as ogrish vandalism at worst (or even just a housekeeping annoyance, as in my case).  Cheers, and best of luck to you in the future.  —   Fourthords  | =Λ= | 19:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hipodil

Hipodil (Хиподил ) was a Bulgarian rock band, founded in the late 1980s in Sofia by four classmates from the local Mathematics High School.

Hipodil's popularity was based in large on their aggressive, sarcastic, sometimes vulgar and explicit but yet humorous lyrics. Because of that Hipodil were known as a "scandalous and rebellious" band. Their main goal was to entertain the listener and themselves; most of the lyrics concerned topics such as alcohol, sex, women, the status quo, etc.; they frequently ridiculed famous Bulgarian and non-Bulgarian people and even politicians (and sometimes songs). Nevertheless, the band had some pretty serious tracks with complex and socially oriented lyrics. All the lyrics were in Bulgarian and were written by vocalist Svetoslav Vitkov (Svetlyo). Most of the music was composed by guitarist Petar Todorov (Pesho). In a great number of songs, guest musicians took part, adding mainly to the brass section.

History
Four classmates from Sofia's Mathematics High School--Nikola Kavaldjiev, Miroslav Tellalov, Nikolay Savov, and Petar Todorov--formed in 1988 a punk band which played only their own songs in Bulgarian and named it by combining the words "Hippo" and "Crocodile."

The first public performance of the band was at Sofia's Summer Theatre, an open-air stage in the largest city park, where the band performed the song "Zidaromazachi" (Wallplasterers), a parody of the ruling communist regime, which got them into minor trouble with the authorities.

In 1992, after a couple of line-up changes and recruiting the new vocalist Svetoslav Vitkov, Hipodil recorded the songs "Bira s vodka" ("Beer With Vodka"), "Bira" ("Beer"), "Chift ochi" ("A Pair of Eyes", "Himna" ("The Anthem"), "Jenata" ("The Woman") and "Klitoren orgasm" ("Clitoral Orgasm").

The following year, the band released their first studio album called Alkoholen delirium (Alcoholic Delirium). The band immediately launched a self-bankrolled national tour, which turned quite successful. At one of the tour concerts in Varna, a mass alcohol-fuelled disorder erupted and all band members and some of the audience were arrested. This event, along with the explicit lyrics of most of their songs gave Hipodil their "scandal aura".

The Varna incident inspired a song - "Hipodili" - which Hipodil included in their next album, Nekuf ujas, nekuf at (Some Kind of Horror, Some Kind of Hell), recorded and released in 1994. This song became a Hipodil anthem and a concert favorite. The album release was followed by a national tour with some 20 dates across the country.

In their fourth album Nadurveni vuglishta (Horny Charcoal), released in 1998, the band showed obvious growth in terms of music and production and experimented with other styles, mostly ska. This album was the most commercially successful album of the band and the first to be released on a CD. It was also the most controversial as some of the lyrics provoked Bulgarian Ministry of Culture to mull legal actions against the band for obscenity. The ministry later dropped its plans but the dispute fuelled the album sales and Hipodil suddenly found themselves among the best-selling and most radio played acts in Bulgaria.

The album's opening track, song about Gojko Mitić, "Bate Gojko" ("Big Brother Gojko") rocketed to the top of Bulgarian airplay charts and was among the few Hipodil songs to have a video clip. The first ever instrumental track of Hipodil is also on this record, "Otnesen!" ("Scatter-Brained") and a dose of the traditional mockeries with Bulgarian celebrities.

In the end of 1999, the vocalist Svetoslav Vitkov went to work in the United States. Despite the loss of Vitkov, the other band members decided to start recording new material, inviting several singers from other Bulgarian bands, who replaced Vitkov on the vocals. The new album, called Hora ot naroda (People of the Folk), appeared on the Bulgarian music market in the year 2000. The music style is similar to the previous works of Hipodil, but a little bit more soft-sounding and mainly ska-influenced. Not so typical for the band is also the often usage of keyboards. Vitkov appears as a lead singer in only two of the songs - "Partizani" ("Partisans") and "Drugo nyama" ("There's Nothing Else"), and as a backing vocal in "Choveche" ("Dude").

In 2002, a promo single for the song "Skakauec" ("Grasshopper") was released. It had two tracks, the title track, which is about a dialectal phenomenon relating to the pronunciation of the letter Л, and a B-side, PVC, which is about women with small breasts. Hipodil was set to release an album, "Aa, Bb, Vv, Gg, Zz...", including the two tracks, but it was never released due to the band's break-up in 2004.

Hipodil will never be remembered for a musical and/or lyrical and/or production brilliance and yet the band constitutes integral part of the post-Communist era popular culture in Bulgaria. Both critics and fans agree that the band's songs and behaviour truly reflect the changes in Bulgarian society in the 1990s and present them in way that young people of all classes and background easily understand.

In 2006, Hipodil played at the "Koncert na godinata" at the Zimen dvorec in Sofia alongside Review and Upsurt. A new song, "Let Me Da Te Love You", was debuted at the event. Svetlio & the Legends, considered by many to be the successor band to Hipodil, released it on their 2007 album Bulgarno. In 2009, Riva Sound released Tu'pest 2, a sequel to the original Tu'pest. In 2011, Hipodil played alongside Kontrol and Review at the Zimen dvorec for the film Sega i zavinagi. Svetlio and the Legends released their second album IBAN in that year.

In 2013, Hipodil played a concert at Zimen dvorec to celebrate 20 years since the release of Alkoholen delirium. 2018 saw the group reunite once again at Arena Armeec to celebrate 20 years of Nadurveni vuglishta, also reissuing several old shirts from the 1990s to celebrate.

Discography

 * Alkoholen delirium/Alcoholic Delirium (1993)
 * Nekuf ujas, nekuf at/Kinda Horror, Kinda Hell (1994)
 * S gol v rukata.../With a Naked ... in Hand (1996)
 * Nadurveni vuglishta/Aroused Charcoal (1998) (a pun for Na durveni vuglishta - 'On Charcoal')
 * Tu'pest/The Best (1999) (compilation) (a pun from tup - Bulgarian for 'dumb' and -est, the superlative suffix in English.)
 * Hora ot naroda/People of the Folk (2000)
 * Hipodil (also known as Скакауец/Skakauec, Grasshopper) (2002)
 * Tu'pest 2 (2009)

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Fanning

Fanning may refer to:

 * Fanning (bees), a behaviour of worker bees signalling an entrance to a hive
 * Fanning (firearms), a shooting technique in which one hand holds a revolver and the other hits the hammer repeatedly
 * Fanning (surname)
 * Fanning friction factor, a dimensionless number used in fluid flow calculations
 * Fan dance, a dance art form
 * USS Fanning, ships of the United States Navy

Places

 * Cape Fanning, Antarctica
 * Fanning Ridge, South Georgia Island
 * Fanning, Kansas, United States
 * Fanning, Missouri, United States
 * Tabuaeran, also known as Fanning Atoll or Fanning Island, one of the Line Islands of the central Pacific Ocean

title: Fanning