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Talk:Australia men's national soccer team

Requested move 1 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW. Per consensus and WP:NCFA. (closed by non-admin page mover) echidnaLives  -  talk  -  edits  11:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Australia men's national soccer team → Australia men's national football team – Per WP:OFFICIAL. Although the term soccer is used a lot more commonly in Australia, I do think the name of this page should be changed to the official name of the team - the Australia men's national football team. Sources: https://www.socceroos.com.au/our-history and official twitter page https://twitter.com/Socceroos. The term soccer should continue to be used in the content, as "football" would be confusing. Only the title needs to be changed. Purin128AL (talk) 12:05, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The current consensus is to use the "soccer" term per Naming conventions (Football in Australia). Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:OFFICIAL states that "Official English names (...) should be used only if they are actually the name most commonly used." OP offers no evidence that this is the case here. 162 etc. (talk) 15:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TIES. We should use the term that is most commonly used in Australia for this article. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:06, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per all of above and WP:NCFA --SuperJew (talk) 19:04, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. The current consensus is old but if anyone tries to re-visit it, people that are blockers to change continue to shoot it down. Evidence gets provided and ignored based simply on the argument that soccer is the common term. People involved in football in this country refer to it as football, as does most media, and almost all of the sporting bodies itself. The on-going Wikipedia blockage to calling this page football, is in itself contributing to slowing the progress. Clifton9 (talk) 23:10, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Please have a read of Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia), including its eight archived pages. I'm sure you will find all your points addressed there. HiLo48 (talk) 08:56, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Your response has proven my point. Refer to old conversations. Ignore the progression. Build a brick wall. Same old, same old. Clifton9 (talk) 11:21, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:NCFIA has a talk page. The most recent discussions were earlier this year. NOT old! And what is this progression you refer to? The OFFICIAL name of the national team is still the SOCCERoos. Nobody in Australia who calls their own (non-soccer) favourite code of football by that name has changed their behaviour and begun to call it something else. HiLo48 (talk) 22:54, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's the lamest of arguments. Socceroos is just a nickname. It was created in the 70s. You do realise the players aren't actual Roos? Hardly a discussion earlier this year was it. Some people suggest changing it, you said no. Same old, same old. Clifton9 (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As I have already pointed out, there has been extensive (exhaustive?) discussion on this matter in the past. To justify change now would require you to bring something entirely new to the discussion. Calling my arguments lame isn't new. I'm pretty sure that's been said before. Same goes for the other insults you are hurling. So, anything new? HiLo48 (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's right here, on this page - https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/history - it literally says "Australian Men's National Football team". That's all you need. Clifton9 (talk) 08:05, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No. That would have also been the case when the current policy was established, so it's not new evidence. HiLo48 (talk) 10:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose WP:NCFIA and its Talk page, including the eight pages of archives, show the reasons why. HiLo48 (talk) 08:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The nickname of the national team, in addition to certain evidence that Australia mostly refer to the sport as soccer suggest that the title should not be subject to such change. Australian rules football is often what is referred to as football in Australia. RavenRTC (talk) 19:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ...and has been since 1858. HiLo48 (talk) 10:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 10:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - 'soccer' is the preferred term in Australia. GiantSnowman 10:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 9 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Australia men's national soccer team → Socceroos – Per WP:COMMONNAME; the current title, and various variations on it, have no recent results in Google News, while Socceroos has many. BilledMammal (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose: the current Wikipedia consensus requires us to refer every sport team in the world in their officially formal names, not by nicknames or other informal names. Australia men’s national soccer team falls to the same category, while Socceroos is only a nickname. We can redirect but we won’t make a nickname the main article headline. HiddenFace101 (talk) 04:36, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Socceroos is a nickname, not a formal name. Socceroos already redirects to the page, so there is no point. Milkk7 (talk) 06:37, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Same rationale as per Milkk7. Matilda Maniac (talk) 07:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * However, "Australia men's national soccer team" isn't the formal name either; I haven't been able to find a source stating what the official name is, but on the very few occasions the official website uses a name other than Socceroos they use Australian National Men's Football Team. Since Socceroos is the official nickname it is more official than the current title.
 * In addition, it is policy to use the WP:COMMONNAME, not the WP:OFFICIALNAME; I'm not aware of an SNG that overrides this. BilledMammal (talk) 10:47, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you link the policy where commonname overrides officialname, because if this did apply, teams like Olympique Lyonnais would have their article name changed to Lyon or OL, as most people in English refers to the team with those names. Milkk7 (talk) 11:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME, which says Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above. BilledMammal (talk) 11:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME also states that the names should be consistent, and having country's men's national soccer team as the standard across the board is a lot more consistent than having the team's nickname Milkk7 (talk) 12:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Only four articles use that format. BilledMammal (talk) 13:11, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * all the rest use football instead of socccer Milkk7 (talk) 13:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 10:53, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - what a ridiculous and POINTy nomination. WP:OFFICIALNAME applies. GiantSnowman 10:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:OFFICIALNAME says the opposite of what you think it does, and an argument opposing a move on the basis that we should use the official name makes no sense because the current name is not the official name. BilledMammal (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources. In many cases, the official name will be the best choice to fit these criteria" - your suggestion is none of the above. It is a nickname. This is why we do not have articles called Gazza and Man Utd and Beeb etc. GiantSnowman 12:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Recognizable to readers - Google trends suggests it is the most commonly used search term globally and in Australia.
 * Unambiguous - no other entity uses the name "Socceroos".
 * Consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources - reliable sources overwhelmingly prefer to use "Socceroos".
 * It is more consistent with those criteria than the current name or any other name? BilledMammal (talk) 12:07, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Why not sit back and see what the feedback is to your requested move over the next few days – it is only a very recent request < 24 hours old – instead of feeling the need to repeatedly comment as a means to try to reinforce your argument? Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's their usual MO to badger commentators who hold a view different to theirs. --SuperJew (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose because it's silly. But if by some miracle it does get passed I can think of a few other candidates in the same vein! Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 13:40, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, to remain consistent with other such article. When/if most official match reports and box scores of international tournaments, along with the international sports media, starting listing the team as "Socceroos" instead of "Australia", then maybe, but not now. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * oppose the current title has ten times as many hits with the same perimeters —blindlynx 20:30, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Your results include articles that discuss the team but don't use the name, and results that don't discuss the team. The search query needs to be in quotes to address this; when done, it provides only two relevant results. BilledMammal (talk) 01:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think in this case it is less about the specific usage of the current name and more about the wider recognizably of the proposed one, the proposed name doesn't seem to have MOS:COMMONALITY going for it—blindlynx 23:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ping editors who participated in the most recent move discussion. BilledMammal (talk) 01:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Comment after being pinged As an Australian, I can declare that Socceroos is instantly recognizable within Australia, and the very commonly used name of this team by the Australian media, far more common than the mouthful that is the current article title. It's also clearly used as at least a semi-official name on the Football Australia website. I cannot really speak for international media. HiLo48 (talk) 01:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Moving this specifically. This is quite a big issue which shouldn't be dealt with at an individual article level. "Socceroos" is indeed a common nickname for the national team in Australia and is instantly known by most Aussies. Would a random reader from Canada or Brazil or France recognise it? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet on it. And I think that is one crux of the matter - is this name well known worldwide? The second issue is the naming and consistency of national soccer/football teams. Almost all teams are named "[Country] national football team" (with small differences of addition of men's or replacing "football" with "soccer" per regional differences) . Changing one of them to the nickname used to describe the team should be done on a higher level (would suggest taking the discussion to WT:FOOTY). Should Morocco national football team be moved to Atlas Lions? Should New Zealand national football team be moved to All Whites? Should Cameroon national football team be moved to Indomitable Lions? Etc. etc. etc. --SuperJew (talk) 06:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Would a random reader from Canada or Brazil or France recognise it? Look at the Google Trend results I provided above; "Socceroos" is the preferred search term in both Brazil and France, and while in Canada "Australia national football team" is more common, it is only slightly so. In addition, media both in Australia and outside prefer "Socceroos"; this can be seen by how few results there are when searching for a name other than "Socceroos", and can also be seen when looking at specific news agencies - for example, France24 has hundreds of results using "Socceroos", compared to no results using the current title. BilledMammal (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this is a fair check. Hardly any media would use the exact term "Australia men's national soccer team" as they rely on the context of the article and don't need the name to be a unique identifier. Regarding the "Socceroos" results on France24, from a quick sample, it seems almost none of the articles use the term in the title, but rather first use Australia and only later Socceroos. --SuperJew (talk) 08:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Does that include all Australian sources? HiLo48 (talk) 21:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with SuperJew's points. The most obvious candidate of all must be the "All Blacks"? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 10:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose I agree with comments that the term Socceroos is just a nickname rather than an official title and hence oppose the proposal. I support the consistent format for all national teams being "[Country] national football team". Clifton9 (talk) 08:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not "just a nickname". It's the name used almost exclusively for the team by Football Australia. HiLo48 (talk) 21:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Australian public almost exclusively refer to Jimmy Barnes as "Barnesy". But it is still just a nickname, not his official name. Socceroos is even recorded on this very article as a nickname in the Infobox. Clifton9 (talk) 11:52, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose For all of the reasons listed above not provided by the initial proposer. Felixsv7 (talk) 17:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Close discussion - per above, seems like 100% of votes above my comment are straightforward opposes, especially the first vote and description. It will be unlikely the support voting will ever be higher than the oppose count here. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I must point out that we don't vote here, and I have refuted claims made in several of those "straightforward" opposes, but won't object to such a close. HiLo48 (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose The redirect on Socceroos uses the same principle as the redirect on Die Mannschaft. Storm machine (talk) 21:45, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - For consistency's sake with every other article about a national sports team on this entire website. – PeeJay 10:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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I think that the phrase "modern democracy" is POV, and should be replaced with "liberal democracy" or "Western democracy". Maybe even "republican government". I'm not familiar with the Green Book, so I won't make the change myself.

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Are there really enough "active" railway companies in Canada to justify a "defunct" category? why not put them all in one place "Railway companies of Canada". Canada does not have as many companies as the USA.--BrentS 04:30, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

D&H was never a Canadian railway. Its subsidiary Napierville Junction was. Belongs in defunct railroad companies of USA. R.L.Kennedy 23:10, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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Tony Hulman

Anton "Tony" Hulman Jr. (February 11, 1901 – October 27, 1977) was an American businessman from Terre Haute, Indiana, who bought the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in 1945 and brought racing back to the famous race course after a four-year hiatus following World War II.

Early life and entry into the family business
Hulman was born in 1901 in Terre Haute. He was educated at St. Benedict's School at Terre Haute, Lawrenceville School in New Jersey and Worcester Academy in Massachusetts. Hulman participated in the high hurdles and the pole vault at Worcester.

He served with the American Red Cross Ambulance Corps during World War I at the age of 17.

Upon graduation from Yale's Sheffield Scientific School in 1924, Hulman returned to Terre Haute to work for Hulman & Company, the family business run by his father Anton Hulman, Sr. However, Anton, Sr. told his managers, "Don't give Tony a place in the business. Let him work for it."

Despite this, Tony rose far and fast. By 1926, he was the company's sales manager, and by 1931, at the age of 30, succeeded his father as company president.

Clabber Girl
Hulman's first project was developing a 10-year plan for an ad campaign that would take Clabber Girl's top product, baking powder, to national prominence. Salesmen traveled around the country posting billboards along the roadside and going door-to-door inviting women to try Clabber Girl, which successfully boosted product sales. An original billboard that reads "Five Minutes to Terre Haute, Home of Clabber Girl Baking Powder" and has a clock at the top is still visible along US 40 outside of Terre Haute, Indiana and is considered a local landmark.

Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Hulman is probably best known for buying the dilapidated Indianapolis Motor Speedway from a group led by World War I flying ace Eddie Rickenbacker immediately after World War II, seeing it as a way to promote Clabber Girl. Influenced by three-time Indy 500 winner Wilbur Shaw (who became the track's president in the early years of the Hulman regime), Hulman made numerous improvements to the track in time for the race to be held in 1946.

Following Shaw's death in a plane crash on October 30, 1954, Hulman stepped into his soon-to-be-familiar role as the "face" of the Speedway.

He followed the tradition of launching the Indianapolis 500 with the command, "Gentlemen, start your engines!" Into the 1970s, despite the fact he'd given the command so many times before, he would always practice it extensively beforehand, and on race day, he would invariably pull a card containing the famous words: "Gentlemen, start your engines!" from the pocket of his suit as he stepped to the microphone. Luke Walton, who with Wilbur Shaw had founded the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Radio Network, was for many years a sportscaster and worked annually with Hulman (and later with Mrs. Hulman) to ensure each word was delivered with the proper emphasis.

Family and philanthropy
Hulman married Mary Fendrich, the daughter of Fendrich Cigar Company owner John H. Fendrich, in 1926. Their first child, a daughter named Mary, died just hours after her birth in 1930. In 1934, the couple's second daughter, also named Mary, but better known as "Mari", was born. Mari would later give Tony and Mary four grandchildren. Their sole grandson, Anton Hulman "Tony" George, would carry on the family's racing and business traditions.

The Hulmans were well known in Indiana for their philanthropy and dedication to higher education; Terre Haute's Rose Polytechnic Institute received gifts of millions of dollars over the years. The Hulmans' generosity led the board of Rose Polytechnic to rename the school Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in the couple's honor in 1971. Indiana State's Hulman Center arena (opened in 1973) and Hulman Memorial Student Union (completed in the mid-1990s) for the couple carry the Hulman name in recognition of the family's donations for their construction. Mari Hulman George established a Center for Equine Studies at Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College, west of Terre Haute.

Terre Haute's Hulman Links public golf course is situated on over 200 acre of land donated by Hulman in the early 1970s; however, the course was not completed until after his death.

Death
The 1977 Indianapolis 500 would be memorable for many reasons. A. J. Foyt won his fourth "500" that day, and Foyt invited Hulman to ride with him on the back of the Oldsmobile Delta 88 pace car. The pair were photographed smiling and waving to the fans. It was one of the few, perhaps only, times Hulman had ever ridden on the back of the pace car with the winner; most other times he had sat in the passenger seat. It would be the final time most people saw Hulman publicly.

At 76 years old, Hulman appeared to be in good health; he was always busy maintaining his business interests in Indianapolis and Terre Haute. In mid-October 1977, he hosted the annual Speedway press dinner. A few days later, though, he and his close friend, Hoosier sportscaster Chris Schenkel, were the grand marshals for the Fall Festival parade in nearby Martinsville, Indiana, where Hulman refused Schenkel's offer of his coat in the cool autumn weather. On the night of October 27, 1977, Hulman died of heart failure caused by a ruptured aortic aneurysm on the operating table in St. Vincent's Hospital in Indianapolis. He is buried in Calvary Cemetery, along with other members of his family.

Award
He was inducted in the Motorsports Hall of Fame of America in 1991. He is a member of the Indiana Football Hall of Fame. He was inducted in the International Motorsports Hall of Fame in 1990. He received the Golden Plate Award of the American Academy of Achievement in 1975.

Other business interests
Hulman went on a buying spree beginning in the 1930s, purchasing a string of Coca-Cola bottling plants across Indiana (which were later consolidated to Indianapolis), utility companies, newspapers, radio and television stations including Terre Haute's WTHI, WTHI-FM and WTHI-TV, and a great deal of real estate.

In recent years, however, as the family has concentrated primarily on the Speedway and racing-related businesses, they have slowly begun to divest themselves of some of Hulman's real estate holdings and "non-core" businesses, such as Wabash Valley Broadcasting, their radio and television holding company, which was sold to Emmis Communications in 1997. Emmis sold WTHI-TV and several of their other television stations to LIN TV Corporation in 2005.

Wabash Valley Broadcasting was originally started by Terre Haute, IN. attorney Raymond J. Kearns, whom was the president of WVB. Shortly after Wabash Valley Broadcasting was incorporated, Anton "Tony" Hulman, Jr. became a stockholder. The company (Wabash Valley Broadcasting) started radio station WTHI-AM, which went on air January 1948 as an ABC affiliate. Hulman later headed a small group of men who purchased the holdings of all original shareholders. Hulman & Co. then sold Wabash Valley Broadcasting to Emmis Broadcasting in a $90 million deal, Wabash Valley Broadcasting consisted of television station WTHI, radio stations WTHI-FM, WTHI-AM and WWVR-FM as well as television station WFTX in Fort Myers, FL.

One such property that the family owned for years that became the subject of much speculation and scorn was the land occupied by the former Terre Haute House hotel, which stood at the northeast corner of Seventh Street and Wabash Avenue in Terre Haute (the historic former "Crossroads of America" junction of U.S. Highways 40 and 41). Hulman purchased the hotel in 1959 and closed it to the public in 1970. Noted for the rich and famous (as well as infamous) who stayed there during the hotel's early years, the hotel was the target of numerous attempts at revitalization between 1970 and 2005, with the city of Terre Haute taking a purchase option on the property in 2004 in an effort to finally make something happen. None came to fruition, and in the fall of 2005, the Hulman family (through Terre Haute Realty Corp.) sold the hotel and two other historic buildings to a limited liability corporation, Seventh & Wabash, LLC, owned by Terre Haute developer, Greg Gibson, who demolished the structures for redevelopment. A new hotel, the Hilton Garden Inn – Terre Haute House, opened in the fall of 2007.

Namesake grandson carries on the Speedway tradition
Hulman's grandson, Anton Hulman "Tony" George, is the former president and CEO of the Speedway and the Indy Racing League.

Tidbits and trivia

 * The call letters for Hulman's WTHI television and radio stations have been, on occasion, said to stand for "With Tony Hulman's Interest," although it seems more likely that the letters stand for Terre Haute, Indiana.
 * Most of the construction and improvement projects at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway during the Hulman years were "handshake deals," done without a contract. Hulman preferred to do it that way, always pointing out that he wasn't in it for the money; he just wanted to deliver the best racing experience possible.
 * He was a member of Theta Chi fraternity during his time at Indiana State University
 * Hulman joined a number of other successful businessmen by appearing in magazine advertisements for Lord Calvert Canadian Whisky under its slogan "for men of distinction." The ad became the foundation for a 1956 collage by Jess Collins called "Lord Pervert," which mocks Whittaker Chambers.
 * A portion of Interstate 70 east of Indianapolis, Indiana has been designated the "Anton Tony Hulman Jr. Memorial Way".

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Link
First occurence of subject's name shouldn't be a link, audio or otherwise, but this link probably should be preserved in the article. Rlquall 12:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Asteroid
The article says Astrid said that maybe people should call her Astreoid Lindgren instead. She said that when the asteroid 3204 Lindgren was named after her. Not the satellites. I think. Kricke 15:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Translated into 85 languages?
From where have we gotten this number? I wouldn't call this a reliable source, but.... And this Site claimes she's been translated into 91 langauges. Nakerlund (talk) 12:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The official FAQ has the number of languages up to ninetyfour. It seems a fairly reliable source (which is already in use here). It's maintained in part by the Lindgren estate Saltkråkan, and in part by the Astrid Lindgren's Näs foundation situated where Lindgren grew up (they host a museum, a knowledge centre, and a resource library, among other things). --LordEniac (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there are problems with that list. Needless to say, it is in their interest to claim as many languages as possible and several of the "languages" they claim are not recognised as languages by linguists. Some are not considered languages by anyone.

All in all, the list is completely unreliable and not valid as a source for any claims on number of languages into which Lindgren has been translated.JdeJ (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Croatian is a language and Croatian is spoken on Krk but Krk-Croatian is not a language by any definition.
 * British English and American English are different standards, but they are not two languages.
 * German is listed four times, although German is still universally considered one language.
 * There are differences in the Frisian language and I could even understand an argument about the Frisian in Germany and in Friesland being different, but the three Frisian "languages" listed are all part of the same dialect group.
 * Sorani and Kurmanji are different, but they are both Kurdish.
 * Älvdalska and Pitebondska would be hard for me to understand, but they are still seen as Swedish.
 * Transpiranto is a joke language, a parody on Esperanto.

You're right about the possibility of subjectiveness in that list, and I agree with most of your specific objections too. Though, I think to just change "were translated into 94[1] languages" to "were translated into 94[1] languages/dialects" and be rid of the linguistic issues altogether could be a decent solution.

IMHO the quantification of languages is indeed a fairly hairy business.
 * interjection. This provides some support for counting translations instead (as we do since November 2009). Furthermore, every new translation costs money and thus indicates some continuing appeal. ... -P64

I'm swedish and my grandmother was from just outside Lycksele (Tannsele) and she would (when asked) speak the local dialect, and I could only catch about one word out of ten, whereas for example Norwegian is quite easy to follow, and even Dutch is easier, but still considered another language. It's the same with old natives of Gotland, and some other local dialects like dalmål (perhaps the same as "älvdalska"). In short - if a translation was needed, I think it should count (*here*), evenso if it was a translation to pig latin. --LordEniac (talk) 12:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

 * If we count it (*here*) then we wouldn't be counting like Guinness. I doubt L._Ron_Hubbard really is the author translated into most languages, but Guinness is a less biased source than Lindgren's own site.

 * ... L.Ron may be, or Mary Baker Eddy may be, or Marx & Engels, or Lenin, if the relevant supporting organization funded enough non-commercial translations. ...
 * I couldn't find any more reliable source for the number of languages Lindgren is translated, but I found a list of the most translated authors, in which Lindgren is 25th at 1849 translations.--Nakerlund (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I replaced the number of languages she was translated into with a relative number of translations. I cut the number of countries her books have been sold in because of the citation needed and vague phrasing while I was at it. Hope this is ok with everyone--Nakerlund (talk) 14:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

 * (continued) Good.
 * We need a source Pippi Longstocking's 60 languages. The Good Article in Swedish wikipedia does list 42 relevant first editions in 40 languages, sv:Pippi Långstrump (bok).
 * Talk:Pippi Longstocking (book). --P64 (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Most popular books?
This article says that Pippi and Karlsson are the most popular characters. How do we know this? According to the Swedish Wikipedia page she has 14 different book series, which are all very popular in her home-country. Which one has sold the most copies? The longest book series is the Emil i Lönneberga series, which has twelve books, more than Karlsson and Pippi combined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.221.172 (talk) 12:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

 * The problem is that her books have different cults in different countries. In the former Soviet Union, Karlsson is a national icon, inspiring everything from lapel pins to a full opera, while Pippi is virtually unknown.  This is why the no POV is such a good policy:  Otherwise edit wars between Pippi and Karlsson partisans might rend the harmony of this article, much as these disputes have lead to battles within my own household.  Even though it should be clear to any sane person that Karlsson is the best EVAH, I hope other editors will keep this conflict in mind.  --Woland (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Pippi Longstocking is much the most widely held by WorldCat libraries (External link WorldCat) and two other Pippis are easily second and third. Interpretation is dicey first because the distribution of WorldCat libraries is unknown, second because titles in different languages are inconsistently counted as editions of the same book. Both points are more important here than elsewhere, first because English is not the first language, second because some are very widely translated. Because interpretation is dicey, we wikipeditors tend to report a bare fact such as underlined above. It can be misleading.

 * Lindgren received the Andersen Medal --won the "Little Nobel Prize"-- in 1958 for se:Rasmus på luffen (Stockholm: Rabén & Sjögren, 1956), which we cover only indirectly in the film article Rasmus på luffen. Evidently --from the Swedish article and Google Translate-- the book was preceded by a radio drama and a film.

 * Evidently this is Rasmus and the Vagabond (NY: Viking, 1960), which ranks only #15 in WorldCat libraries. Karlsson-on-the-Roof is #20, the last one listed.
 * By the way, a glance at WorldCat Formats and editions of Rasmus and the vagabond shows me this book is exceptionally well identified across multiple languages and a glance at Lindgren's Top 20 suggests this is generally true for her works, despite my general observation above. --P64 (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Political Views during the Third Reich ?
Was she a Nazi ? Was she leftist, i think this is a very importnt part of this article, why is it missing ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.32.109.48 (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * She was very political and wasn't afraid of raising her voice in issues but she was not necessarily associated to any particular party. She was a social democrat in her early years and took very strong stance against racism, nazism and Hitler. In the 70s and 80s however she became very critical to the taxation system of the social democrats, and she was a very strong reason why they lost the election in 1976. She was also very active in children's and animal rights movements, and help pass many laws in those issues. -- Henriok (talk) 01:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

 * She was almost 70 years old in 1976, yet section "Politics" merely says she remained Social Democrat for the rest of her life, as an aside to coverage of that election. The section needs to lead with some general statement. For instance, she was a social democrat all of her life and supported the Social Democrats (Sweden) party thruout, or post-war, or whatever such we know to be true.
 * We say this SD/Workers Party and the SDLeft/Communist/Left Party split in 1917 (stimulated by the Russian Revolution?). She was then ten.
 * Of the "very strong stance against racism, nazism and Hitler" per User:Henriok, whatever is well-known and uncontroversial among Swedish editors, or can be documented, should be stated here, near the top of a generally chronological section. --"stance" if strong stance or very strong stance is unsupportable. (The Right Livelihood should be documented here because we use a quotation.)
 * --P64 (talk) 17:12, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree that the most important part of anybody's biography who lived during Hitler's reign is whether they ever espoused a view which could be interpreted as being in alignment with Nazism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.232.191.16 (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Works
--P64 (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) I renamed this section (was "Bibliography"), provided subsection headings for the two sublists (in place of lame prose headers), divided the latter (now 5.2 "Other books translated into English") in two columns, and moved images to accommodate the new right-hand column. If the entries in sec 5.1 "Best-known books" do get much longer, as with provision of two dates each (below), then more attention to images layout will be needed. I did the minimum to accommodate two-column sec 5.2.
 * 2) From the end of the latter list I deleted one entry, Kajsa Kavat, which may belong in its alphabetical place. It does appear below as the title of a film. Is it the title of an English-language edition?
 * 3) Neither the prose nor the list of works gives much attention to genre --novels, picture books, etc-- nor any attention to illustrations. Did she self-illustrate anything? work with any illustrators?
 * 4) By the way, we say "Lindgren was almost blind a few years before her death" and put her in Category:Blind writers. If she does belong in the cat, the article needs to say more about that.
 * 5) At least for 5.1 "Best-known books", dates should be provided. I suggest two dates, for first SE-language and EN-language editions.
 * 6) I provided infobox writer fields Period and Genre. Someone who knows her career should complete or correct as appropriate.
 * 4. almost blind . Specifically, did she continue to write for publication when blind in some sense that is important for a writer? --P64 (talk) 17:09, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not. Apparently a schoolteacher in Sweden teaches that she stopped because of failing eyesight. --evidently, material for teaching English language to Swedish schoolchildren-- "The last one [of more than 40 books] was Ronja–the robber's daughter, published in 1986. After that Astrid had really bad eyesight and she spend a lot of time answering letters." Afterward, TASK 6 asks "What book was the last one Astrid wrote and why was it the last one?"
 * --P64 (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Agneta's English" is the website of a non-notable individual There appears to be no reliable source to confirm that loss of eyesight was important or notable for Lindgren's authorship. I'm removing this category until appropriate references have been presented.
 * Peter Isotalo 17:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

dod NOT receive the nobel for literature in 1974
it comes up in the blurb for duckduckgo search engine:

 * 1) https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Astrid_Lindgren

Astrid Lindgren - Wikipedia Astrid Lindgren (1907-2002) was a Swedish writer of fiction and screenplays, best known for children's books such as Pippi Longstocking and Mio, My Son. She received many awards and honors, including the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1974 and the Right Livelihood Award in 1994.

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I. William Zartman

Ira William Zartman is Professor Emeritus at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) of Johns Hopkins University. He earlier directed the school's Conflict Management and African Studies programs. He holds the Jacob Blaustein Chair in International Organizations and Conflict Resolution. He is a founder and current Board Chairman of the International Peace and Security Institute (IPSI).

Books

 * Destiny of a Dynasty: The Search for Institutions in Morocco's Developing Society (1964)
 * Collapsed States: The Disintegration and Restoration of Legitimate Authority (1995)
 * Peacemaking in International Conflict (1997) Ed. United States Institute of Peace
 * International Negotiation: Actors, Structure/Process, Values (1999)
 * International Multilateral Negotiations; Approaches to the Management of Complexity (1999)
 * Power and Negotiation (2000)
 * Preventive Negotiation: Avoiding Conflict Escalation (2001)
 * A Strategic Vision for Africa: The Kampala Movement (2002)
 * Getting It Done: Post-Agreement Negotiation and International Regimes (2003)
 * Rethinking the Economics of War: The Intersection of Need, Creed, and Greed (2005)

Critical studies and reviews of Zartman's work

 * Arab Spring

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R. Prasanna

R. Prasanna (better known as Guitar Prasanna), is a known for performing Carnatic music on the guitar. He also plays jazz, progressive rock, and world fusion.

Early life and background
Prasanna grew up in Chennai, India and developed an interest for the guitar at the age of five after hearing his neighbor play. He received his first guitar when he was ten years old and would try to play Tamil and Hindi film songs and imitate the sounds of his sister's Carnatic singing with the instrument. His interest in Western pop music developed when his father's colleague gave him some cassette tapes with songs by the Bee Gees, ABBA, Toto, Peaches and Herb, and the Pointer Sisters.

In high school, he became known as a guitarist with local band XIth Commandment. While studying naval architecture at the Indian institute of Technology, Madras (where he also met his wife Shalini), he toured India with his rock bands (The Haze and then Shakuni & the Birds of Prey), covering songs by Santana, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Rush, Steely Dan, Jethro Tull, and the Scorpions and compositions like "Peaceful" and "Blues for Saraswati". Prasanna's musical development led him to blues and jazz. After working as a software consultant, he gave up a career in engineering and IT and moved to Boston to attend Berklee College of Music where he majored in Jazz and Classical Composition.

Education
Prasanna received a Bachelor's degree in Naval Architecture from the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras in 1992. He also graduated magna cum laude from the Berklee College of Music, Boston.

Educator

 * Established Swarnabhoomi Academy of Music and served as it president
 * Faculty member at Banff Centre for Arts and Creativity, Canada for international workshop in Jazz and Creative Music in May 2008
 * Lectures and clinics at Harvard University, Institute of Music at Osnabrück University, Berklee College of Music, MIT, Tufts University, New School in New York, University of Arizona, Utah State University

As leader

 * Guitar Goes Classical (Audio Fine, 1993) (India)
 * Evergreen Melodies on Guitar (Keerthana, 1993) (India)
 * Evergreen Classicals on Guitar (Keerthana, 1993) (India)
 * Vibrant Aesthetics (Inreco, 1993) (India)
 * Spirit of Youth (Saragam, 1993) (India)
 * Guitar Indian Style (Oriental, 1996) (U.S.)
 * Roots (Sangeetha/HMV, 1997) (India)
 * Echo (Saican, 2000) (Canada)
 * Apoorva Ragas on Guitar (Kalakendra, 2000) (U.S.)
 * Natabhairavi (Inreco, 2000) (India)
 * Shakthi: The Omnipotent (Music Today, 2000) (India)
 * Peaceful (Susila, 2001)
 * Ragamorphism – Guitar instructional DVD (Susila, 2004)
 * Be the Change (Susila, 2004)
 * Ra Rama (Kosmic, 2005) (India)
 * Electric Ganesha Land (Susila, 2006)
 * Live in Sedona DVD (Susila, 2009)
 * Ragabop Trio (Abstract Logix, 2010) with Steve Smith, George Brooks
 * Tirtha (ACT, 2011) with Vijay Iyer, Nitin Mitta
 * All Terrain Guitar (Susila, 2016)
 * "Apna Ek Kal" feat. Anuradha Palakurthi and Hariharan (2016) (single)

Special projects

 * Summa cum Jazz (BMG, 1999)
 * Lagaan (Sony, 2001) with A.R. Rahman
 * Moon Guitars (De Werf, 2002) – Fabrizio Cassol, Prasanna, David Gilmore
 * Million Dollar Arm (Walt Disney, 2014)
 * The Hundred Foot Journey (Hollywood, 2014)

As guest

 * Play by Ear – Deep C, 2002
 * Peace in Progress – Manisha Shahane, 2003
 * Apfelschaun – Ben Schwendener/Uwe Steinmetz (Gravity Arts, 2003)
 * Moving – Tony Grey, 2004
 * The Music Messiah – Illayaraja (Agi Music, 2006)
 * Hidden Mandala – Marc Rossi (Gravity Records, 2008)
 * Inner Duality – David Hines (Spice Rack Records, 2009)
 * Mantra Revealed – Marc Rossi (Innova, 2012)

Soundtracks

 * Kochadaiyan (Tamil) – A.R. Rahman, 2014
 * Highway (Bollywood) – A.R.Rahman, 2014
 * Essaye Moi (French) – Pierre Van Dormael, 2006
 * Mumbai Express (Tamil) – Illayaraja, 2005
 * Ghajini background score (Tamil) – Harris Jayaraj, 2005
 * Swades (Bollywood) – A.R.Rahman, 2004
 * Dil ne Jisa apna kaha (Bollywood) – A.R.Rahman, 2004
 * Udhaya (Tamil) – A.R.Rahman, 2003
 * Ramanaa (Tamil) – Illayaraja, 2002
 * Nee Romba Azhaga Irukke (Tamil) – Aravind/Jaishankar, 2002
 * Lagaan film (Bollywood) – A.R.Rahman, 2001
 * Grahan film background score (Bollywood) – Karthik Raja, 2001
 * Dumm Dumm Dumm (Tamil) – Karthik Raja, 2001
 * Vanchinathan (Tamil) – Karthik Raja, 2001
 * Pukar (Bollywood) – A.R.Rahman, 2000
 * Split Wide Open (English) – Karthik Raja, 1999
 * Harischandra (Tamil) – Agosh, 1999
 * Enn Swasa Kaatre (Tamil) – A.R.Rahman, 1998
 * Jeans (Tamil) – A.R.Rahman, 1998
 * Kizhakkum Merkkum (Tamil) – Illayaraja, 1998
 * Zor (Bollywood) – Agosh, 1998
 * Nam iruvar namakku iruvar (Tamil) – Karthik Raja, 1998
 * Kadhala Kadhala (Tamil) – Karthik Raja, 1998
 * Ullasam (Tamil) – Karthik Raja, 1996
 * Lovebirds (Tamil) – A.R.Rahman, 1996
 * Muthu (Tamil) – A.R.Rahman, 1995
 * Puthiya Mugam (Tamil) – A.R.Rahman, 1992

Film

 * Framed (2007)
 * Smile Pinki (2009)
 * The Open Frame (2011)
 * Vazhakku Enn 18/9 (2012)
 * Algorithms (2012)
 * After My Garden Grows (2014)

Dance Theater

 * Soliloquy (1997)
 * Sanaatana (2001)
 * DNA in Dance (2004)
 * The Tempest (2004)
 * A Story and a Song (2007)

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Talk:Rasputin, Grigory Yefimovich

Why is this a separate article? We already have an article on Grigori Rasputin. Kukuman 04:40, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Rasputin, Grigory Yefimovich contains additional information about Rasputin. It only involves the historical Rasputin; it doesn't have miscellaneous and scattered information about him, such as the Rasputin from Hellboy and whatnot.→ Jarlaxle Artemis   04:55, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The extra info it contains should be merged into the existing Rasputin article. There is no reason to have a whole other article just for different things about him. Kukuman 04:58, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Inteins....how is it now that they replicate???--66.191.21.251 04:42, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I know very little about this field however, is it strictly correct to term them parasitic! Since both intein and extein can fulfill normal functions e.g the VME intein in S.Cerevisiae forms part of the vacuolar ATPase. Surely it just presents yet another way to get a protein product from a gene. This is not wholey unlike splicing, where exons can go to form proteins and sometimes introns can be used as snRNAs (i.e. functional products, not always junk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.118.224 (talk) 10:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: "Most reported inteins also contain an endonuclease domain that plays a role in intein propagation." How does this endonuclease activity play its role in propagation? How do inteins propagate? Briancady413 (talk) 15:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

re: "Full and mini inteins" How can an intein, a protein, guide the sequence of a DNA strand during action of the DNA repair mechanism induced by the endonuclease activity of the intein? Briancady413 (talk) 15:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

re:"Split inteins" How are the precursors to the split intein joined? Aren't they formed at distant-from-each-other locations? Briancady413 (talk) 16:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes in the mechanism image!

There are two mistakes in the mechanism desribed. 1) In the caption, it should be saying "The C-extein is blue". 2) The black "X" residue in steps 3 & 4 should be protonated.

Best, OlgaMats (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The mechanism also is missing arrows in several steps i.e. a shorthand double headed arrow could be added to the carbonyl oxygen to show substitution here (unless the aim was to simplify things) 129.215.5.253 (talk) 13:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC) DH

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Talk:Niagara Escarpment

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There's disagreement in the text about the location and extent of the Niagara Escarpment, especially in the United States. I'm also worried about a slight Canadian bias to the article. Someone knowledgeable should fix both of these issues.

What's Contradictory
1. "From its easternmost point near Watertown, New York,[2]" Several wiki pages use this phrasing, but all maps show the eastern end of the escarpment near Rochester which is about 150 miles west of Watertown. I have not yet been able to track down good geological maps to see which is correct. Nevertheless, the graphics and the text are contradictory. The citation [2] is unrecoverable. 2. "The Niagara Escarpment is a long escarpment or cuesta running through southern and central Ontario, Canada and western New York State. It is composed of the Lockport geological formation of Silurian age, and is similar to the Onondaga geological formation, which runs parallel to it and just to the south, in New York and eastern Ontario."
 * The first paragraph gives the more popular idea of where the Niagara Escarpment is.

"The Niagara Escarpment is the most prominent of several escarpments formed in the bedrock of southern Ontario. It is traceable starting in eastern New York and along a westerly direction across the Niagara River into Ontario where it stretches along the Niagara Peninsula and northerly to Georgian Bay near Collingwood. It then turns westerly toward Owen Sound at which point it turns northerly to form the spine of the Bruce Peninsula, the Manitoulin and other islands located in northern Lake Huron where it turns westerly into the Upper Peninsula of northern Michigan. It then extends southward from the area of Sault Ste. Marie into Wisconsin following the Door Peninsula and western coast of Lake Michigan, ending near Chicago."
 * This paragraph gives more locations. Some are more specific to the first paragraph, but others are new.

 * The brown area of this image implies the Niagara Escarpment exists in even more locations.
 * And that's what self-contradictory about this article. Perhaps when I'm climbing down the Niagara Escarpment to Lake Michigan at my parent's cottage in Door County, I'll take a picture and upload it. -Acjelen 21:07, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I'm not "confused" about anything. -Acjelen 21:14, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So why don't you add the information to trace it farther west? I'm familiar with the section from eastern NY into the Niagara Penninsula of Ontario. An editor familiar with the section in Ontario added info and photos on that section. If each editor adds the part that (s)he is familiar with, we'll eventually get the whole of it. Go for it! Pollinator 03:10, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * My main concern is that the first and the second paragraphs should agree. I have attempted that.  If we are to expand this article, it may need a "Location" section division to keep the introductory paragraph introductory.  It would also be nice if the formation of limestone was a little more explicit. -Acjelen 12:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * As to the map, a possible solution is about to appear. I have created a map of the Great Lakes region with the escarpment plotted on it. The old map is not merely "contradictory", but just plain wrong. What it shows is not the Escarpment, but the extent of Silurian rocks associated with the Niagara Escarpment formation. I have marked, in red, places where there is an actual escarpment or ridge. This information has been compiled from several websites. Kelisi 17:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

If the current map in the article is correct, then the text should be edited to omit any mention of the escarpment reaching into Illinois or "northwest of Chicago." According to that map, it clearly ends well within Wisconsin. --mtz206 03:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Category
Is there consensus that we can create a wikicategory for Niagara Escarpment? There are so many related articles about parks and trails, etc. Blacknail 20:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. The escarpment affects quite a few states/provinces. How far should the category go? Should it include the counties? What about Lake Winnebago, which was formed because of the escarpment? RoyalbroilT : C 03:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a similar article (stub) titled "Lockport Formation" (capital "F") which does not direct to this this page. "Lockport Dolomite" similarly appears in stub form elsewhere. I am not a Wikipedia expert and don't know how to fix this, but am hopefully bringint to the attention of someone who can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:1:E20:9429:D5A8:E815:2CF0 (talk) 02:51, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Multiple geography of categories
Aren't Category:Geography of Hamilton, Ontario and Category:Geography of Niagara Region, Ontario both subcategories of Category:Geography of North America? We should not cherry-pick which local geography categories are used with this article. -Acjelen 14:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Niagara Escarpment Categorized As A "Mountain"?
If I'm grasping the definition of "mountain" correctly in this context, I think that labeling the Niagara Escarpment as such in a categorical sense in the encyclopedia is kind of dubious and should be removed. Comments? cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Niagara Escarpment is not really a "mountain" but here in Hamilton, Ontario the escarpment cuts right through the center of our city splitting it up in two. We have the lower city Hamilton by the lake (Lake Ontario) and then we have the upper city Hamilton atop of the Niagara Escarpment. Even though the escarpment is not really a mountain the locals here in town refer to the upper city as "the mountain." Nhl4hamilton | Chit-Chat  17:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Deconstructhis, I think it should be removed from that category. It's too much of a stretch. I've actually been to Hamilton and visited the famous castle. Near Lake Winnebago in Wisconsin, locals call it "The Ledge", and I wouldn't add it to a ledge category.  Royal broil  04:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I grew up in Flamborough (on top of the escarpment) we took "the hill" any time we went into Dundas.70.79.93.22 (talk) 04:33, 15 August 2015 (UTC)31jetjet

Still Contradictory
As of today, the text of the introductory section has been improved relative to the matters described above. However, the figure to its right showing the escarpment in red does not agree. The text describes the east end as near Watertown, NY and the west end northwest of Chicago near the Wisconsin-Illinois border. The map, however, shows its east end being just west of Rochester, NY (the text describes it running through Rochester) and its west end northwest of Milwaukee, decidedly not near the state line.

Also, this article states that Niagra Falls is the location that the river goes over the escarpment, and the article on Queenston Heights states that it is "a feature of the escarpment"; Quenston Heights is more than 10 kilometers up river from the falls; is the escarpment really that wide?Joe Avins (talk) 18:06, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's what the (only) cited paper by Luczaj actually says: "In Wisconsin, the escarpment runs... south to Ashippun in Dodge County". Ashippun is 50 miles north of the Illinois border, 125 miles NW by N of Chicago, and almost 40 miles NW of downtown Milwaukee (why use Chicago, farther away in another state?). I think we can easily paraphrase the cited paper as to location of the southwestern end, and omit the relativity of the border and Chicago - they're a bit obtuse. The Niagara Cuesta, which is a broader and objectively more correct term (in simple terms, escarpment is the steep side of a cuesta... geologists, try to contain yourselves), DOES run into Illinois, and far beyond. We probably need to elaborate this somewhere. The steep side in Illinois has been worn down and filled in. When is an escarpment no longer an escarpment? Another issue: it says the escarpment runs "primarily east-west". No, it doesn't - take an east-west straightedge and try to line up the escarpment on it. It's closer to say it's roughly a semicircle, running around the top of the Great Lakes Basin. Another paper described it as "sickle shaped" - pretty darn good. Look at it - what's it look like if it weren't embedded in a map? If your pencil isn't broken fix the thing. Be bold. Sbalfour (talk) 19:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Take note of this though: . It says "The Niagara escarpment [runs] east of the Horicon Marsh to terminate in northern Illinois...". We can cite that, though now there's a conflict in sources. See this, showing clearly the difference in extent of the cuesta (Fig. 4) and escarpment (Fig. 5), which does not extend to the Illinois border. But it muddies the water a little in Fig. 1, where the ridgeline extends to the border. The Wisconsin DNR says the escarpment extends thru 7 counties: Brown, Calumet, Dodge, Door, Fond du Lac, Kewaunee, and Manitowoc. The southern-most of those is Dodge, confirming the Luczaj location. Clearly, the wiki text does not follow the paper cited. Luczaj is the generally cited authority for this. We're at liberty to cite all of these, but that's belaboring the point. Sbalfour (talk) 19:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed the lead to conform to the sources we have and avoid oblique references to distant points like Chicago and the Illinois border. I only worry that Dodge County won't be familiar to anyone but locals, but the nearest focal point of Milwaukee is 40 long miles away. Sbalfour (talk) 01:11, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Lake Ontario formed how?
The last paragraph under formation says that Lakes Superior and Ontario were formed by a volcanic rift system. Nope - Ontario was formed by fluvio-glaciation. The citation explicitly says that the eastern/southern limit of the rift system was southeastern Michigan, so that excludes Erie and Ontario. Further, I seriously doubt that canyons in Lake Ontario would be lined with basalt. Citation needed, yes sir.

This article probably isn't the place to elaborate on the geology of Superior and Ontario because they weren't part of the Silurian inland sea, so they didn't contribute (much) to the formation of the escarpment. Sbalfour (talk) 05:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC) Sbalfour (talk) 05:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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Prime constant

The prime constant is the real number $$\rho$$ whose $$n$$th binary digit is 1 if $$n$$ is prime and 0 if $$n$$ is composite or 1.

In other words, $$\rho$$ is the number whose binary expansion corresponds to the indicator function of the set of prime numbers. That is,
 * $$ \rho = \sum_{p} \frac{1}{2^p} = \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{\chi_{\mathbb{P}}(n)}{2^n}$$

where $$p$$ indicates a prime and $$\chi_{\mathbb{P}}$$ is the characteristic function of the set $$\mathbb{P}$$ of prime numbers.

The beginning of the decimal expansion of ρ is: $$ \rho = 0.414682509851111660248109622\ldots$$

The beginning of the binary expansion is: $$ \rho = 0.011010100010100010100010000\ldots_2 $$

Irrationality
The number $$\rho$$ can be shown to be irrational. To see why, suppose it were rational.

Denote the $$k$$th digit of the binary expansion of $$\rho$$ by $$r_k$$. Then since $$\rho$$ is assumed rational, its binary expansion is eventually periodic, and so there exist positive integers $$N$$ and $$k$$ such that $$r_n = r_{n+ik}$$ for all $$n > N$$ and all $$i \in \mathbb{N}$$.

Since there are an infinite number of primes, we may choose a prime $$p > N$$. By definition we see that $$r_p=1$$. As noted, we have $$r_p=r_{p+ik}$$ for all $$i \in \mathbb{N}$$. Now consider the case $$i=p$$. We have $$r_{p+i \cdot k}=r_{p+p \cdot k}=r_{p(k+1)}=0$$, since $$p(k+1)$$ is composite because $$k+1 \geq 2$$. Since $$r_p \neq r_{p(k+1)}$$ we see that $$\rho$$ is irrational.

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The Origin of the Kerry Blue Terrier

by Arthur M. Hillery

© 1992 USKBTC

This article first appeared in the 1992 Kerry Blue Terrier Handbook and can be found on the USKBTC web site (http://www.uskbtc.com).

The origin of the Kerry Blue Terrier is lost in the dim past. No one knows with any certainty how or when the breed was started. The best that can be done is to relate some of the legends about it and you may then decide for yourself what to believe.

One legend says that in the days when only the nobility in Ireland was permitted to hunt with the Irish Wolfhound, the peasantry developed the Kerry Blue Terrier for the purpose of poaching. There has been some speculation that the Irish Wolfhound was mated to the basic terrier breed in Ireland to produce the Kerry. But was that basic terrier the English Terrier, or the Irish Terrier, or the Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier, or an earlier terrier? You will have to guess. Manifestly, Irish peasants have, on occasion, used the Kerry Blue for poaching and for many other tasks. Matings between Irish Wolfhounds and Kerries have been known, so the disparity in size between the two breeds does not bar this hypothesis.

Then there is the romantic legend of the Russian "Blue Dog"-a blue terrier that swam ashore from a Russian ship wrecked in Tralee Bay and was mated to local bitches to produce the Kerry Blue Terrier. Another version identifies the ship as one of those in the Spanish Armada. Who can say that this is the true origin-or that it is not?

Writing on dogs in Ireland a century ago, H. D. Richardson of Dublin, famous writer and authority on dogs, does not mention Irish Terriers as a breed, or Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers, nor Kerry Blues, as such. He does mention what he calls the Harlequin Terrier, a true terrier and a game dog, bluish slate in color, marked with darker blotches and patches, and often with tan about the legs or muzzle. It seems obvious that the breed he refers to is the Kerry Blue Terrier. I have seen in this country several young Kerries with Irish breeding close-up that met this description, and I saw a Kerry at a show within a year that could almost qualify. The brownish tinge on the coats of puppies that promise to turn a light blue is, of course, common.

It is my belief that the Harlequin Terrier mentioned by Richardson and the Kerry Blue Terrier are one and the same breed. It should be remembered that when Kerry Blues were first shown in Ireland there was a wide variance in size, with a range in height of 16 to 20 inches of dogs shown in a single class. Since the adoption of a standard for the breed, selective breeding has cleared color and done much to establish uniformity of size. The present excellence of the Kerry Blue Terrier is a real tribute to the serious breeders in Ireland, England, Canada, the United States-and all over the world-for having refined the breed and brought it to a fair degree of conformity with the ideal Kerry called for by the breed standard.

Probably this much can definitely be accepted as fact: That the Kerry Blue Terrier, or Irish Blue Terrier, as he is called in Eire, has been known for well over one hundred years; that because of his gaminess, intelligence and adaptability as a hunting dog, as a herd dog, and a working dog, the Kerry Blue has every attribute an Irishman would seek in a dog. It seems reasonable to believe that the Irish kept the strain clear in this breed they admired so greatly. In fact, the Irish may have been the first to conduct dog-breeding on a systematic plan. In the Brehon laws, dating from the fifth century, there were enactments, relating to ownership, breeding, and welfare of dogs. Kerries are not now, and never were, very numerous in Ireland. They were found mostly in the mountains of Kerry around Lake Killarney. But they were more appreciated for their rarity by those who know the Kerry Blue Terrier.

In Ireland, the Irish Blue Terrier was first shown as a breed around 1916. Their good qualities soon attracted attention and by the 1920s, thirty to a class was common at the larger shows. Kerries were first shown in England at Cruft's Show in 1922, and four Kerries were exhibited in the miscellaneous classes at the Westminster Kennel Club Show in this country that same year. Two years later, in 1924, the breed was officially recognized and put on a championship rating by the American Kennel Club.

At shows in Eire, Kerries were shown untrimmed and in the rough, with the coat merely tidied up a bit. Probably the greatest impetus was given to the progress of the breed when they began to be trimmed as a terrier in England, then in this country and in Canada. Thus came the modern Kerry Blue Terrier as we know him.

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Avadi

Avadi is a western suburb of Chennai, and the headquarters of Avadi taluk located within the Thiruvallur district of Tamil Nadu, India. Situated at about 22 km from Chennai Central Railway Station, it is one of the four municipal corporations in the Chennai Metropolitan Area and is governed by the Avadi Municipal Corporation. It is surrounded by major defence establishments and is home to various universities and engineering colleges. The neighborhood is served by Avadi Railway Station of the Chennai Suburban Railway. As of 2011, Avadi had a population of 345,996, which is 10th most populous place in Tamil Nadu. It is home to the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF), Ordnance Factory Board (ODF) which houses Engine Factory and Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE). The lake in Avadi was known as Paaleripattu, which is now found only in very old land documents.

Etymology
The exact origin of the name 'Avadi' is not known. One version has it that it is the combination of "Aa" (meaning cow) and "Adi or gudi (kudi)" (meaning place in Tamil), indicating that the place had many cows. One of the more popular theories about the origin of the name is that it is an acronym for "Armoured Vehicles and Ammunition Depot of India". However, this is most likely a backronym invented more recently. The entity "Armoured Vehicles and Ammunition Depot of India" does not appear in any British records. This acronym is further disputed by the existence of a railway station going by the name of "Avadi" in the locality since 1873 before the establishment of defence industries.

Several British documents from the 19th century refer to the place as "Avady", which doesn't match the widely circulated acronym theory. The name Avadi (Avady) was already in use by 1856, when the first public railway was opened in the Madras Presidency. This predates the transfer of the Madras Presidency's arsenal from Fort St. George, India in the city of Madras, to Avadi, which was done sometime after 1870, which contradicts the popular acronym theory.

History
The suburb is part of the "auto belt" that developed when the automobile industry developed in Madras, primarily in the city's industrial north and west regions, in the early post-World War II years.

The famous session of the Indian National Congress was held at Avadi on 10 January 1955. This historical meet emphasised the importance of socialism and its impact on social development. Jawaharlal Nehru with Morarji Desai and other Congress leaders at the AICC session declared that a socialistic pattern of society was the goal of the Congress.

Geography
Avadi is located at 13.12°N, 80.1°W. It covers an area of 65 km2 and has an average elevation of 17 m.

Lake

Avadi has a lake called Paruthipattu Lake. Spread over 200 acres and 2.64 km in length, the lake is located behind the Tamil Nadu Housing Board (TNHB) and Thirumullaivoyal. It was once a source of water for farmland irrigation. The body of water attracts many birds throughout the year. However, in the recent decades it has lost most of its area to indiscriminate building and encroachment. The Paruthippattu Lake area was renovated with a budget of 32 crores and converted into an eco-park that officially opened on 19 June 2019. The renovation added recreational facilities, a 3-km-long walking track, a central plaza and various greenery, while addressing the issues of encroachment and sewage pollution that had affected the once-neglected lake.

Waste management
The neighborhood generates about 150 metric tonnes of garbage daily. Together with Thiruninravur and Poonamallee, Avadi generates about 210 metric tonnes of solid waste from around 120,000 households, which is dumped on a 17.78-acre site in Sekkadu, owned by the Avadi Municipal Corporation. In 2017, the municipal corporation planned to construct 33 decentralized compost processing plants at a cost of ₹ 109.6 million, each with a capacity to convert 4 tonnes of biodegradable waste into manure. Of these, 17 plants were operational as of February 2018.

IT Park

A new Tidel Park, with a built-up area of 5,57,000 square feet, will be built on a 10-acre land at a cost of ₹ 2,300 million at Avadi–Pattabiram on MTH Road. This is expected to provide jobs for 30,000 people. The Construction work started in August 2020. Dell Technology and Tata Consultancy Service (TCS) have shown interest to move to Avadi. iDEX a Central Government IT Company for Defence export is expected to invest 1000 crores in Tidel Park Avadi - Pattabiram.

In addition to military establishments, Avadi also houses a number of IT/ITES and other service sector-based firms.

Defence Industrial Corridor
The major defence establishments with divisions in Avadi are the Indian Air Force, Indian Army, Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF), EFA-Engine Factory, Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE), Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), Indian Navy, Central Vehicle Depot (CVD), The Ordnance Depot (OD), Unfit Vehicles Park (UVP) and the Ordnance Clothing Factory (OCF).

The Indian Air Force has a Mechanical Transport Training Institute Technical (MTTI) here for training its personnel on driving and repairing vehicles, and also a base repair depot for repair and maintenance of its various equipment. CVRDE undertakes major research on battle tanks and other combat vehicles. MBT Arjuns, armoured ambulances, Combat Improved Ajeyas and Nag anti-tank missiles are some of the recent products from CVRDE. The Heavy Vehicles Factory produces an indigenous version of the T-72 tank known as Ajeya. HVF also produces the main battle tank Arjun. The production of T-90S Bhishma tanks started in 2006–2007. The Tamil Nadu Special Police (TSP) also has a division in Avadi, the TN 2nd and 5th Battalion.

There was a World War II airfield at Red Hills, Sholavaram, approachable from the junction close to the CRPF Camp, Avadi, immediately after the Military Hospital.

Manufacturing Industrial Hub
Avadi is around 7 km from Ambattur Industrial Estate and 22 km from Sriperambudur - Irungattukottai Sipcot Industrial Park.

Demographics
According to the 2011 census, Avadi had a population of 345,996 with a sex-ratio of 970 females for every 1,000 males, well above the national average of 929. A total of 36,091 were under the age of six, constituting 18,419 males and 17,672 females. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes accounted for 16.16% and 0.63% of the population respectively. The average literacy of the city was 81.76%, compared to the national average of 72.99%. The city had a total of 87,733 households. There were a total of 127,152 workers, comprising 787 cultivators, 1,095 main agricultural labourers, 1,444 in household industries, 111,013 other workers, 12,813 marginal workers, 221 marginal cultivators, 310 marginal agricultural labourers, 449 marginal workers in household industries and 11,833 other marginal workers. As per the religious census of 2011, Avadi had 84.23% Hindus, 4.56% Muslims, 10.69% Christians, 0.07% Sikhs, 0.03% Buddhists, 0.08% Jains, 0.3% following other religions and 0.03% following no religion or did not indicate any religious preference.

From 229,403 in 2001, the population of Avadi grew to 344,701 in 2011, registering a decadal population growth of 50%.

Places of worship
There are many Hindu temples in and around Avadi. Karumari Amman temple, Chinnamman temple, Nagavalli Amman and Perumal temple are famous temples in Avadi. Many old generation temples are also present in and around Avadi. Thirumullaivoyal, a locality near Avadi, is famous for Masilamaniswara Temple, Thirumullaivoyal, an ancient temple of Lord Shiva, as well as Pachaiamman Temple. Vaikundhanaadhar Temple is located near Kovilpathagai; Angaalamman Temple is located on the Redhills road. Sri Venkateswara Perumal Temple in Kamaraj Nagar is a Vaishnavite shrine in Avadi.

A handful of mosques serve a considerable Islamic population in Avadi. There are some churches over 50 years old, including Marthoma Church in Gandhi Nagar, CSI, RC and Orthodox Churches in HVF road. Also, numerous churches have been built in recent years; St Antony's Shrine is a Catholic church located at Avadi Check-post. There is a Jain temple, Vasupujiya Jain Temple, and a Gurudwara in the HVF estate for the Sikhs to worship in Avadi.

Avadi boasts of cultural and religious diversity and has a proud heritage of religious tolerance.

Railways
Avadi railway station is one of the important suburban terminal stations of the Chennai Suburban Railway Network. It lies on the Chennai Jolarpettai Mainline. Few express trains like Thiruvananthapuram Chennai Mail, Alappuzha Chennai Express, Chennai- Mangalore superfast express and Tirupati Chennai Garudadri stops at Avadi. The proximity of the MTC bus terminus to the railway station has led many commuters to choose Avadi as a transit point. Avadi railway station has the seventh highest footfall in Southern Railways with numbers exceeding 75,000 per day.

Suburban services
Avadi is connected very well with rest of the city by EMU trains. There are frequent suburban trains from Avadi to Chennai Central, Chennai Beach, Arakonam, Thiruvallur, Tiruthani and Velachery. By rail, Avadi is 45 minutes from Chennai Central, 24 minutes from Perambur and 15 minutes from Villivakkam. Some trains originate from here as Avadi has an EMU Shed, which handles the majority of the suburban train operations on the Northern and Western line. The Western line has 229 services a day and the North line has 83, which accounts 312 trains.

Chennai–Tiruttani highway extension
The Tamil Nadu Highways department issued a GO on 4 October 2013 to extending the entire Chennai – Tiruttani highway to 6 lanes at a cost of ₹1.68 billion. The first phase will involve extending the road to 4 lanes – 100 ft with center median and encroachments have already started to be removed. The road junction at Avadi Checkpost connects Avadi Poonamallee road with the CTH road. The Chennai Outer ring road (ORR) passes through western part of Avadi.

Avadi Bus Terminus
Avadi bus terminus is located very near to the Avadi railway station on the Chennai - Thiruvallur High Road (CTH road). The depot is situated beside the bus terminal. Avadi is well connected to various locations of Chennai as well as rural areas surrounding North-western and Western Chennai. The main service provider though is the state-owned Metropolitan Transport Corporation buses, TNSTC/SETC buses to Tirupathi, Nellore, Bangalore, Shengottai, Tirunelveli, Tuticorin operates from here & few private buses are also available.

Share Autos
Share Autos are one of the popular modes of transport there. Share Autos are mostly spotted near Avadi bus terminal and Checkpost junction. They usually ply between Poonamallee, Karayanchavadi, Pattabiram, Thiruninravur, Anna Nagar, Nungambakkam and Koyambedu.

Schools

 * Holy Immanuel Matriculation School
 * Air Force School, Avadi

Colleges

 * Murugappa Polytechnic College
 * Veltech Rangarajan Sangunthala Arts College
 * Nazareth College of Arts and Science

State assembly constituency
Avadi is a state assembly constituency in Tamil Nadu, India, formed after constituency delimitation.[1] The areas included are Poonamalle Taluk (partially), Pattabiram, Thirunindravur, Tiruverkadu and Avadi (M). It is included in the Thiruvallur parliamentary constituency.

Cinema theatres
Avadi has a handful of movie theaters in its locality:

 * Meenakshi Cinemas
 * Remy Cinemas
 * The managing director of Carnival Cinemas, at a press meet during the launch of EVP Carnival Cinemas, Chembarambakkam, confirmed that EVP Carnival cinemas was coming up with a 5 screen multiplex near Avadi soon. The exact location is not known yet.

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