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Opposition to the documentary Hypothesis
I can't see why the statement
 * The main problem with the documentary hypothesis in this case is that there consistent references throughout the Torah about there being one God. The ancient Jewish creed, the Shema, based on Deuteronomy 6:4 even states "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one."

refers to a problem with the documentary hypothesis. The documentary hypothesis does not state anywhere there is more than one God. It is only concerned with how the text came to be written, not about other gods. The statement may well be completely true, but it is not a counter argument, its a tangent.

The reason it is important is because if the traditional view is correct, then Israel and Judah did not have a disagreement over that and the temple really was the one place of worship at that time. The only ones to maintain otherwise were later Samaritans. ~Eltinwë

Opposition to the documentary hypothesis is discussed at documentary hypothesis. Contesting the hypothesis on every single article involving it, when it is the view of a very large majority of scholars in the field, is like contesting evolution in every single biology article, i.e. inappropriate behaviour.

There are several points to consider --User talk:FDuffy 12:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The documentary hypothesis does not assert monotheism, henotheism, monolatrism, or any other view of god, it merely states that there was more than 1 author/source-text composing the torah. The modern formulation merely makes this more precise - that there were 4 main sources.
 * The bible itself (see the Book of Kings) states that Judah and Israel had a disagreement over where the one place of worship was. Only 1 generations after it was supposedly built (by Solomon), Rehoboam built two rival places of worship, and placed a "golden calf" at each, which was bitterly disputed throughout the remainder of the Book of Kings, as well as amongst the writings of the "Prophets".
 * It is POV to state that the Samaritans were later. They believe they were earlier. Their copy of the torah also appears to predate the masoretic text, supporting their conclusion.
 * The documentary hypothesis considers deuteronomy to be one of the latest parts of the torah - written by the deuteronomist. Its opinions about the nature of God are, under the hypothesis, later than those of the other parts, and hence even if deuteronomy is monotheist, there is no reason, according to the hypothesis, to assume that other parts of the torah must be.

Easiest objections first. It is NOT POV in the case of the Samaritans. Check the old Assyrian records and see if they deported any tribes to the "House of Omri." You forget that the Samaritans, in part, were Israelites which means that some of their ancestors were in Israel before the Two Kingdoms actually split. It is plain to see that the documentary hypothesis completely ignores the Jewish religion since it does NOT admit that the calfs set up by Jeroboam (not Rehoboam) were idols which, as noted, were established to draw Israelites in the Northern Kingdom away from the Temple worship. However, that is a irrelevant point since the Samaritans were, and still are, monotheist. The weak point of their version of the Torah is how the the semantics and syntax reveal much later interpolation (post-Exilic period) and editing. Historically speaking, we also do not have nearly the number of documents required to ensure that it is an accurate document.
 * The definition of idols is not one which the documentary hypothesis proclaims [it doesn't make a POV judgement in either direction as to what the value of the calfs are with respect to God]. Biblical scholars, on the other hand see the two calfs set up by Jeroboam (sorry, I always get those two mixed up), as being Jeroboam's attack on the Jerusalem ark - the two cherubim upon it. The two cherubim act, in Judahite thought, as a seat for God, and hence are a statement that God is at the ark. Jeroboam was effectively stating "actually, the border's of God's seat are at each end of my kingdom, and God is thus within all of it, not cramped in some little box in Jerusalem in Judah".
 * I can agree with the political consequences of the calves, but it must be remembered that it was primarily religious since sacrifices were offered to them.
 * No that simply is non-sequitur. That's like saying Godwin's law is primarily about Nazi's because it mentions them dominantly, when it's actually about incompetant argument. --User talk:FDuffy 14:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The weak point of your argument about the Samaritan Torah is that their version predates the masoretic text. It also statistically agrees far more with the Septuagint than the masoretic text does with either. The New Testament quotations of the "Torah" that Jesus allegedly makes also have a far greater agreement with the Samaritan Torah (and the Septuagint) than the masoretic text. Some of the quotes which the New Testament attributes to Jesus actually aren't even in the masoretic text whatsoever, instead only being in one of the other two. Historically speaking, there is more evidence that the Samaritan Torah is accurate than there is for the masoretic text.
 * --User talk:FDuffy 22:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Might I ask your sources concerning the respective dating for the Samaritan and Masoretic Torah's. On the Septuagint, it was written in Ptolemaic Egypt by a group of affluent and semi-religious Jews.  I would be more inclined to accept something written by the Essenes (e.g., Qumran scrolls) or the Pharisees (e.g., Talmudim) than Alexandrian Jewry.  As for their closer similitude with the words of Jesus...that almost makes sense since the Gospels are written in Greek, like the Septuagint.  I think if we examined the Peshitta and Jesus' words translated into Aramaic (what He most likely used everyday), we would find even greater relationship.  And what statements are you talking about when you say "Some of the quotes which the New Testament attributes to Jesus actually aren't even in the masoretic text whatsoever, instead only being in one of the other two." ?  I'm very interested in seeing them.  Thanks! --Eltinwë 23:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The Septuagint was written by 70 of the best scholars, much like the King James Version. The point is as to what they based it on. The Masoretic text matches all the others far less than they all match each other, i.e. it looks like a corruption. The similitude is not just down to the use of Greek; for example, the Septuagint has "Shebua" ("oath") as the name Isaac gives to the place that consequently becomes Beersheba, but the Masoretic has "Shibah" ("seven"), so if a new testament quote says that Isaac called it "Shebua" this has a greater degree of inherent similitude to the Septuagint than the Masoretic, regardless of the language they are written in.
 * That isn't one of the new testament quotes by the way, but an example to illustrate what is meant. As for exact quotes, and which version the correspond to better, see for example http://students.cua.edu/16kalvesmaki/LXX/NTChart.htm, which doesn't by any means contain all the correspondences. Here are two quotes as starters (emphasis added) - note that the Masoretic and Septuagint sometimes have verses not present in the other and so the numbering often doesn't quite match
 * The first:
 * NT Matthew 9:13 "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice"
 * Septuagint Hosea 6:7 "For I will have mercy rather than sacrifice"
 * Masoretic Hosea 6:6 "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice"
 * The second:
 * NT Matthew 13:35b "...I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world"
 * Septuagint Psalms 77:2b "...I will utter dark sayings which have been from the beginning"
 * Masoretic Psalms 78:22 "...I will utter dark sayings of old"
 * --User talk:FDuffy 14:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Interestingly enough, both versions of the Bible that I have used (English Standard Version), have the Masoretic reading. As for the New Testament quotes, that's a matter of hermeneutics.  One thought is limited inspiration - that is, that what they said was a paraphrase of what was actually written - or how their Rabbi expanded upon or clarified it.  Also, it must be remembered that Hebrew of itself is very vague and many things that can be understood from context (implied) are often left unwritten.  That's just the way of it.  Jesus, in the very essence of his ministry, was a Rabbi (and was addressed as such).  The traditions of the Jews had long understood that Asaph had implied "before time" because the reference "of old" refers to such things. Eltinwë 18:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why on earth we can't just have a balanced presentation. Considering each historical theory in this article is not pointless. History is NOT governed by scientific laws since history can't be proved by scientific method.

--Eltinwë 18:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * NOTHING can be proved by scientific method. Only disproved. --User talk:FDuffy 22:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Ditto to that...but wasn't sure what your take on that was...decided to stick with the safe statement. :) --Eltinwë 23:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Jesus and the Nehustan

 * Some Christians also believe it to be a prefiguration of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

I've taken this out. Could whoever wrote this specify exactly which Christians believe it, and how, as, on its own, it reads as if it is nonsense (connecting Jesus's crucifixion to a metal snake on a stick is like connecting Jesus' crucifixion to canapes). --User talk:FDuffy 12:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

This is referenced in many traditional sources (some Church Fathers and later Reformers) as well as some contemporary (Conservative and usually Fundamental) leaders. The connection is really not that hard to believe. Actually, the New Testament even says in John 3:14-15 - "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life." Those are the words of Jesus there.

--Eltinwë 18:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh right, allegory, or more accurately simile. Writing it so that this was clear, with a link to allegory/simile, for example, would have explained that well. I'm not sure why the simile counts as noteworthy. We don't have a big discussion of the weather in the article cats, owing to the simile like cats and dogs, so I don't see a reason to include the simile like moses lifting the nehustan, unless the simile is noteworthy rather than once-off. And discussion of such a simile should really focus on the simile, not on a single instance of it being used. --User talk:FDuffy 21:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

 * But it is a prefiguration...a sign, if you will. Jonah's three days in the belly of a fish were also used in that sense.  To most Christians, and as a sign to others, it is a significant reference. --Eltinwë 23:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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Osorkon II

Usermaatre Setepenamun Osorkon II was the fifth king of the Twenty-second Dynasty of Ancient Egypt and the son of King Takelot I and Queen Kapes. He ruled Egypt from approximately 872 BC to 837 BC from Tanis, the capital of that dynasty.

After succeeding his father, Osorkon II was faced with the competing rule of his cousin, King Harsiese A, who controlled both Thebes and the Western Oasis of Egypt. Potentially, Harsiese's kingship could have posed a serious challenge to the authority of Osorkon, however, when Harsiese died in 860 BC, Osorkon II acted to ensure that no king would replace Harsiese. He appointed his son, Nimlot C, as the high priest of Amun at Thebes, which would have been the source for a successor to Harsiese. This consolidated the king's authority over Upper Egypt and thereafter, Osorkon II ruled over a united Egypt. Osorkon II's reign was a time of prosperity for Egypt and large-scale monumental building ensued.

Osorkon II was the last king of the Twenty-second dynasty to rule Egypt from the Delta to Upper Egypt. His successor, Shoshenq III, lost the effective control of Middle and Upper Egypt that Osorkon II had achieved.

Foreign policy and monumental program
Osorkon II was forced to be aggressive on the international scene. The growing power of Assyria was accompanied with increased meddling in the affairs of Israel and Syria—territories well within Egypt's sphere of influence.

Osorkon II devoted considerable resources into his building projects by adding to the temple of Bastet at Bubastis, which featured a substantial new hall decorated with scenes depicting his Sed festival and images of his queen, Karomama. Monumental construction during his reign also was performed at Thebes, Memphis, Tanis, and Leontopolis. Osorkon II also built Temple J at Karnak during the final years of his reign and it was decorated by his high priest, Takelot F (the future king, Takelot II). Takelot F was the son of the deceased high priest Nimlot C and, thus, Osorkon II's grandson.

All of Osorkon II's sizeable stone statues are known to be re-used works of earlier periods that were re-inscribed for Osorkon II, including the famous "Cairo-Philadelphia statue of Osorkon II".

Many officials may be dated to the reign of Osorkon II. Ankhkherednefer was inspector of the palace, Paanmeny probably was his chief physician, Djeddjehutyiuefankh was the fourth prophet of Amun, and Bakenkhons was another prophet of Amun during his reign.

Reign length

Approximately 837 BC, Osorkon II died and he was buried in Tomb NRT I at Tanis. Currently, he is believed to have reigned for more than 30 years, rather than just 25 years as had been interpreted earlier. The celebration of his first Sed Jubilee previously was thought to have occurred in his Year 22, but the Heb Sed date in his Great Temple of Bubastis is damaged and also may be read as Year 30, as Edward Wente notes. The fact that this king's own grandson, Takelot F, served him as High Priest of Amun at Thebes–as the inscribed walls of Temple J prove – supports the hypothesis of a longer reign for Osorkon II.

Recently, it has been demonstrated that Nile Level Text 14 (dated to Year 29 of an Usimare Setepenamun) belongs to Osorkon II on palaeographical grounds. This finding suggests that Osorkon II likely did celebrate his first Heb Sed in his Year 30 as was traditionally the case with other Libyan era kings, such as Shoshenq III and Shoshenq V. In addition, a Year 22 Stela from his reign preserves no mention of any Heb Sed celebrations in that year, as would be expected (see Von Beckerath, 'infra').

While Osorkon II's precise reign length is unknown, some Egyptologists, such as Jürgen von Beckerath – in his 1997 book Chronology of the Egyptian Pharaohs – and Aidan Dodson have suggested a range of between 38 and 39 years. However, these much higher figures are not verified by the current monumental evidence. Gerard Broekman gives Osorkon II a slightly shorter reign of 34 years. English Egyptologist Kenneth Kitchen, in a 2006 "Agypten und Levante" article, now accepts that if Nile Level Text 14 is correctly attributed to Year 29 of Osorkon II, then the reference to Osorkon's Sed Festival jubilee should be amended from Year 22 to Year 30. Kitchen suggests that Osorkon II would have died shortly afterward, in his Year 31.

Marriages and children
Osorkon II is known to have had at least four wives: Other children of record included:
 * Queen Karomama is the best known of Osorkon's wives. Karomama was the mother of at least two sons and three daughters:
 * Isetemkheb is known to be the mother of a daughter named, Tjesbastperu, who was married to the High Priest of Ptah Takelot B.
 * Djedmutesakh IV was the mother of the High Priest of Amun Nimlot C. Nimlot C was a son of Osorkon II and the father of Takelot F, who would become Takelot II.
 * Mutemhat was another of his wives.
 * Prince Shoshenq D was High Priest of Ptah
 * Prince Hornakht was the High Priest of Amun in Tanis Osorkon II appointed Hornakht as the chief priest of Amun at Tanis to strengthen his authority in Lower Egypt; however, this was clearly a political move since Hornakht died prematurely before the age of ten.
 * Princess Tashakheper may have served as God's Wife of Amun during the reign of Takelot III
 * Princess Karomama C, who may be identical to Karomama Meritmut, a God's Wife of Amun
 * Princess Taiirmer

Other possible children attributed to Osorkon II include his successor Shoshenq III and the King's Daughter Tentsepeh (D), the wife of General Ptahudjankhef, who was a son of Nimlot C and hence, a grandson of Osorkon II.

Tomb
The French excavator Pierre Montet discovered Osorkon II's plundered royal tomb at Tanis on February 27, 1939. It revealed that Osorkon II was buried in a massive granite sarcophagus with a lid carved from a Ramesside-era statue. Only some fragments of a hawk-headed coffin and canopic jars remained in the robbed tomb to identify him. While the tomb had been looted in antiquity, what jewellery that remained "was of such high quality that existing conceptions of the wealth of the northern Twenty-first and Twenty-second dynasties had to be revised."

Successor
David Aston has argued in a JEA 75 (1989) paper that Osorkon II was succeeded by Shoshenq III at Tanis rather than Takelot II Si-Ese as Kitchen presumed because none of Takelot II's monuments have been found in Lower Egypt where other genuine Tanite kings, such as Osorkon II, Shoshenq III, and even the short-lived Pami (at 6-7 years) are attested on donation stelas, temple walls, and annal documents. Other Egyptologists, such as Gerard Broekman, Karl Jansen-Winkeln, Aidan Dodson, and Jürgen von Beckerath have endorsed this position as well. Von Beckerath also identifies Shoshenq III as the immediate successor of Osorkon II and places Takelot II as a separate king in Upper Egypt. Gerard Broekman writes in a recent 2005 GM article that, "in light of the monumental and genealogical evidence", Aston's chronology for the position of the twenty-second dynasty kings "is highly preferable" to Kitchen's chronology. The only documents that mention a king Takelot in Lower Egypt, such as a royal tomb at Tanis, a Year 9 donation stela from Bubastis, and a heart scarab featuring the nomen 'Takelot Meryamun' — now have been attributed exclusively to king Takelot I by Egyptologists today, including Kitchen.

The English Egyptologist Aidan Dodson, in his book The Canopic Equipment of the Kings of Egypt, observes that Shoshenq III built "a dividing wall, with a double scene showing Osorkon II" and him "each adoring an unnamed deity" in the antechamber of Osorkon II's tomb. Dodson concludes that while one may argue Shoshenq III erected the wall to hide Osorkon II's sarcophagus, it made no sense for Shoshenq to create such an elaborate relief if Takelot II really had intervened between him and Osorkon II at Tanis for 25 years, unless Shoshenq III was Osorkon II's immediate successor. Shoshenq III must, hence, have wished to associate himself with his predecessor – Osorkon II. Consequently, the case for establishing Takelot II as a Twenty-second Dynasty king and successor to Osorkon II disappears, as Dodson writes. Takelot II instead founded the twenty-third dynasty of Egypt and ruled a divided Egypt by administering Middle and Upper Egypt.

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ATI TruForm

ATI TruForm was a brand by ATI (now AMD) for a SIP block capable of doing a graphics procedure called tessellation in computer hardware. ATI TruForm was included into Radeon 8500 (available from August 2001 on) and newer products.

The successor of the SIP block branded "ATI TruForm" was included into Radeon HD 2000 series (available from June 2007 on) and newer products: hardware tessellation with TeraScale.

Support for hardware tessellation only became mandatory in Direct3D 11 and OpenGL 4. Tessellation as defined in those APIs is only supported by newer TeraScale 2 (VLIW5) products introduced in September 2009 and GCN-based products (available from January 2012 on). The GCN SIP block carrying out the tessellation is the "Geometric processor".

Overview
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TruForm was not significantly accepted by game developers because it ideally required the models to be designed with TruForm in mind. To enable the feature without causing visual problems, such as ballooned-up weapons, the models had to have flags identifying which areas were to be tessellated. The lack of industry-wide support of the technique from the competition caused developers to ignore the technology.

In later version of Catalyst drivers, the TruForm feature is removed.

Beginning with Radeon X1000 series, TruForm was no longer advertised as a hardware feature. However, Radeon 9500 and higher (as well as hardware supporting Shader Model 3.0) include Render to Vertex Buffer feature, which can be used for tessellation applications. In the case of Radeon X1000 series, it supports binding up to 5 R2VB buffers simultaneously. Tessellation as dedicated hardware has returned in Xenos and Radeon R600 GPUs.

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Twenty-First Century Medicine
Vanity. Information that could be rolled into some other main topic on cryonics. --Froggy 22:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. There are plenty of company stubs that are short as this one is.  Without looking deeply into the site, it seems that the company has been around for 5 years or more and has a reasonably well developed web presence that suits a company that's not fly-by-night ... but that could be an illusion, of course.  I've left the 'delete' tag on, of course, but done a categorization of the article and added a stub-tag. Courtland 02:06, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)
 * Delete Vanity. There are too many companies around and most of them aren't notable. Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages. Radiant! 10:29, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete'. This company is not notable enough to warrant its own encyclopedia entry. IBM, Sure.  But not this. Katefan0 21:23, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Megan1967 08:15, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sounds interesting. Capitalistroadster 15:25, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for organic growth. GRider\talk 20:17, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree with Radiant. Carrp | Talk 04:32, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Regretful Delete Nothing to distinguish from other corpsicle companies. Rich Farmbrough 17:27, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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F&M Bank

F&M Bank may refer to:

 * Farmers and Merchants Bank (disambiguation)
 * Farmers and Mechanics Bank (disambiguation)

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Li (unit)

Li (, lǐ, or, shìlǐ), also known as the Chinese mile, is a traditional Chinese unit of distance. The li has varied considerably over time but was usually about one third of an English mile and now has a standardized length of a half-kilometer (500 m). This is then divided into 1,500 chi or "Chinese feet".

The character 里 combines the characters for "field" (田, tián) and "earth" (土, tǔ), since it was considered to be about the length of a single village. As late as the 1940s, a "li" did not represent a fixed measure but could be longer or shorter depending on the effort required to cover the distance.

There is also another li (Traditional: 釐, Simplified: 厘, lí) that indicates a unit of length $1⁄1000$ of a chi, but it is used much less commonly. This li is used in the People's Republic of China as the equivalent of the centi- prefix in metric units, thus limi (厘米, límǐ) for centimeter. The tonal difference makes it distinguishable to speakers of Chinese, but unless specifically noted otherwise, any reference to li will always refer to the longer traditional unit and not to either the shorter unit or the kilometer. This traditional unit, in terms of historical usage and distance proportion, can be considered the East Asian counterpart to the Western league unit. However, in English league commonly means "3 miles."

Changing values
Like most traditional Chinese measurements, the li was reputed to have been established by the Yellow Emperor at the founding of Chinese civilization around 2600 BC and standardized by Yu the Great of the Xia dynasty six hundred years later. Although the value varied from state to state during the Spring and Autumn period and Warring States periods, historians give a general value to the li of 405 meters prior to the Qin dynasty imposition of its standard in the 3rd century BC.

The basic Chinese traditional unit of distance was the chi. As its value changed over time, so did the li's. In addition, the number of chi per li was sometimes altered. To add further complexity, under the Qin dynasty, the li was set at 360 "paces" (, bù) but the number of chi per bu was subsequently changed from 6 to 5, shortening the li by $1/6$. Thus, the Qin li of about 576 meters became (with other changes) the Han li, which was standardized at 415.8 meters.

The basic units of measurement remained stable over the Qin and Han periods. A bronze imperial standard measure, dated AD 9, had been preserved at the Imperial Palace in Beijing and came to light in 1924. This has allowed very accurate conversions to modern measurements, which has provided a new and extremely useful additional tool in the identification of place names and routes. These measurements have been confirmed in many ways including the discovery of a number of rulers found at archaeological sites, and careful measurements of distances between known points. The Han li was calculated by Dubs to be 415.8 metres and all indications are that this is a precise and reliable determination.

Under the Tang dynasty (AD 618–907), the li was approximately 323 meters.

In the late Manchu or Qing dynasty, the number of chi was increased from 1,500 per li to 1,800. This had a value of 2115 feet or 644.6 meters. In addition, the Qing added a longer unit called the tu, which was equal to 150 li (96.7 km).

These changes were undone by the Republic of China of Chiang Kai-shek, who adopted the metric system in 1928. The Republic of China (now also known as Taiwan) continues not to use the li at all but only the kilometer (Mandarin:, gōnglǐ, lit. "common li").

Under Mao Zedong, the People's Republic of China reinstituted the traditional units as a measure of anti-imperialism and cultural pride before officially adopting the metric system in 1984. A place was made within this for the traditional units, which were restandardized to metric values. A modern li is thus set at exactly half a kilometer (500 meters). However, unlike the jin which is still frequently preferred in daily use over the kilogram, the li is almost never used. Nonetheless, its appearance in many phrases and sayings means that "kilometer" must always be specified by saying gōnglǐ in full.

Cultural use
As one might expect for the equivalent of "mile", li appears in many Chinese sayings, locations, and proverbs as an indicator of great distances or the exotic:

 * One Chinese name for the Great Wall is the "Ten-Thousand-Li Long Wall" . As in Greek, the number "ten thousand" is used figuratively in Chinese to mean any "immeasurable" value and this title has never provided a literal distance of 10,000 li (undefined km). The actual length of the modern Great Wall is around 42,000 li (undefined km), over 4 times the name's proverbially "immeasurable" length.
 * The Chinese proverb appearing in chapter 64 of the Tao Te Ching and commonly rendered as "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" in fact refers to a thousand li: 千里之行，始於足下 (Qiānlǐzhīxíng, shǐyúzúxià).
 * The greatest horses of Chinese history – including Red Hare and Hualiu (驊騮) – are all referred to as "thousand-li horses" (, qiānlǐmǎ), since they could supposedly travel a thousand li (undefined km) in a single day.
 * Li is sometimes used in location names, for example: Wulipu (Chinese: 五里铺镇), Hubei; Ankang Wulipu Airport (Chinese: 安康五里铺机场), Shaanxi. Sanlitun is an area in Beijing.

Ri in Japan and Korea
The present day Korean ri (리, 里) and Japanese ri (里) are units of measurements that can be traced back to the Chinese li (里).

Although the Chinese unit was unofficially used in Japan since the Zhou dynasty, the countries officially adopted the measurement used by the Tang dynasty (618–907 AD). The ri of an earlier era in Japan was thus true to Chinese length, corresponding to six chō (c. 500–600 m), but later evolved to denote the distance that a person carrying a load would aim to cover on mountain roads in one hour. Thus, there had been various ri of 36, 40, and 48 chō. In the Edo period, the Tokugawa shogunate defined 1 ri as 36 chō, allowing other variants, and the Japanese government adopted this last definition in 1891. The Japanese ri was, at that time, fixed to the metric system, $216⁄55$ ≈ 3.93 kilometres or about 2.44 miles. Therefore, one must be careful about the correspondence between chō and ri. See Kujūkuri Beach (99-ri beach) for a case.

In South Korea, the ri currently in use is a unit taken from the Han dynasty (206 BC–220 AD) li. It has a value of approximately 392.72 meters, or one tenth of the ri. The Aegukga, the national anthem of South Korea, and the Aegukka, the national anthem of North Korea, both mention 3,000 ri, which roughly corresponds to 1,200 km, the approximate longitudinal span of the Korean peninsula.

In North Korea the Chollima Movement, a campaign aimed at improving labour productivity along the lines of the earlier Soviet Stakhanovite movement, gets its name from the word "chollima" which refers to a thousand-ri horse (chŏn + ri + ma in North Korean Romanization).

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User talk:CatherineMunro/Archive3

Talk to me! I will answer on your talk page, but may copy or summarize here so I remember what we talked about.

Archive 1 - Archive 2

It's Allroy Again
Sorry to bother you again. But I thought that I might send you an unedited copy of the email that Mike Garcia just sent me: From: Mike Garcia  >To: PEACETHRUVANDALISM@HOTMAIL.COM >Subject: Go to hell - idiot bastard son! >Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Allroy, do not, I repeat DO NOT edit on Death By >Stereo. You are hard as ban and that means you will >NOT be allowed to edit the Wikipedia again. I'm sorry, >but I can't accept all your edits and everything you >do, that's why you've been reverted by me. Again, I >don't care how old the band is and please do NOT >change it again. Just leave the page alone for now and >give it a rest already. You continue vandalzing Death >By Stereo again, I have no choice but to report you to >other users: Jimbo Wales and Danny. > >Mike Garcia

Thanks for your time.

Can you Please Help Me
Hello, sorry to bother you but I have a problem with a user named Mike Garcia. He and I have disagreements about the year that the band "Death By Stereo" started. Whats more, everytime I reply to him (to try to work it out amicably) he calls my reply a "personal attack" and deletes them. I am worried that my replys will not be heard because he keeps deleteing them, and that I will get banned. I would like for Myself and Mike Garcia to both be disallowed from editing eachothers writings until some moderators can settle the dispute because I cannot reason with him.

Thankyou for your time. From User ALLROY

Below is the details of our disagreemnt and my sources that I have told him about to prove my point:

This person has poor links and bad information (his links are not even consistant with eachother, one says 1996, one says 1997). I know for a fact that Death By Stereo started in 1998. Here are some links that prove it. Take note of the 5th link which is an interview with the lead singer and only remaining original member of Death By Stereo, who says about 3/4 down the page that it was 1998. Also take note of the last link, which is a link to their official Myspace site, where it clearly reads 1998.

 * http://music.yahoo.com/ar-272788-bio--Death-By-Stereo
 * http://www.jagermusic.com/frontdoor/jagermusic.cfm?section=179
 * http://www.punkas.com/dayofthedeath.html
 * http://www.mtv.com/bands/az/death_by_stereo/artist.jhtml
 * http://www.modernfix.com/features/31/dbs.htm
 * http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews.php?page=D&a=1&rt=cd&rf=DeathByStereo%20IntoTheValleyofDeath%20042203
 * http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/10/features/story3.html
 * http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=571414

I will not revert the date, I will wait to see what the moderators/administators have to say.

My email is PEACETHRUVANDALISM@HOTMAIL.COM If you would like to mail to me because as I said, Mike, keeps deleteing things on my page so I may not recieve your reply.

Thanks for your time

Thank you very much

Please excuse my behavior, don't listen to him! He's just some troll account of Peacethruvandalism. He and I have both been fighting over how old the band is and the first version said it was 1996, I researched a couple sites and the user has been unconvinced with my sources (,, and ). I have been looking for someone to ban him so he doesn't edit Death By Stereo again. -- Mike Garcia | talk July 16, 2005 14:25 (UTC)

Guns N Roses' copyedit
I just wanted to thank you for the amazing copy-edit you did on the Guns N' Roses article. For some time now, I've been working on it in order to make it a worthy featured article, and thanks to your edit, I think the article it's on it's way to achieve featured status. It has already been nominated and has not received objections to this date. Again, thank you very, very much! Coburnpharr04 01:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

category TOC template
Hi Catherine - One thing I didn't understand about your edit to template:CompactCatTOC. After the "class=plainlink" (BTW - I can't thank you enough for noticing this, I thought we were going to have to live with extlinks until somebody changed the software!) you added an open square bracket (which has no matching close square bracket as far as I can tell). This doesn't seem to make any difference, but rather than simply delete it I thought I'd ask if there's something it does that I'm just not seeing. -- Rick Block 15:01, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'm an idiot...
...for forgetting about changes to the CompactTOC. Thanks for cleaning up after me on the geo-stub categories! Grutness|hello? 08:23, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Catherine
Brookie here - thanks for your help on my icon-hyperlink query - now I know! In case you haven't seen it - there is the following message at the top of this page:"WARNING: This page is 36 kilobytes long. Please consider condensing the page and moving the detail to another article so it is not approaching or in excess of 32KB." Kind regards Brookie\talk
 * You're welcome on the icon thing, and thanks - I guess it was about time for archiving...! — Catherine\talk 22:50, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Portal
I just wanted to congratulate you. I think you designed a far better portal than what we had previously, and it is cleaner-looking than its opponent. You don't need to reply to say thanks or anything -- save your time:) Zantastik 23:28, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

portal Catherine-style
Hi, It did not work to get the portal live. Needs more tinkering. I have no time now for this. Also I must say that I am not very good in doing that type of stuff. But I will tray again if it is not done. Options; ask Tim Starling to do it if he can find time. Or you can ask Requests_for_adminship Also I can unprotecd the page for a while and watch RC do defend it. If you want the I unprotection say when (time) in UTC. I can be online for this between 10:00 UTC and 18:00 UTC. You can reply here. --Walter 23:43, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry -- I was trying to find someone who had worked on it previously, who was comfortable with "tinkering". It's my understanding that Tim Starling is taking a break from Wikipedia to work on his doctorate degree, so I hesitated to contact him.  Perhaps the temporary sysophood is the way to go..... my schedule is not predictable enough to arrange a good time for unprotection.  Thank you very much for your time! — Catherine\talk 00:29, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have now unprotected the pages Www.wikipedia.org template and Www.wikipedia.org portal so you can work on it if you like to do. I am garding those pages. I am now online whit Jabber; walter@jabber.belnet.be, ICQ 85153582, MSN wvermeir@hotmail.com and IRC freenode user "WalterBE" in #Meta if i need to do something. --Walter 19:54, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Periods After Names, Prefixes, etc.
I was wondering whether on articles such as Martyn Lloyd-Jones, in which originally quite a few periods were omitted after Dr and St, all entries with such abbreviations should be edited to add a full stop? How about on actual articles such as R Tudur Jones? -whitti 01:58, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Your vote on portal projects merge
Hi Catherine! You voted for a merge of our projects (thanks) but you didn't sign yourself under any specific option. So please fill up the missing vote. I intend to do the merges when I get some time at last (probably next Sunday) but I need to know what people precisely want. Forseti 21:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to the MC
Catherine, I'm extremely pleased to let you know that the MC and community are unanimous in saying you'd make a fine mediator. :-) I've added your name at WP:MC but you may want to add an email address (or link to Special:Email).  I'd offer advice as to how to mediate....but I don't know how myself. :-)  I'm new to the committee (in spite of which fact I was made its Chair), and no one so far has been able to give me more than a few pointers. I suggest patrolling WP:RFM to see what's out there, especially as we have such a backlog that all of us will have to take on at least one case if even half of the requests turn into fully-fledged mediation attempts. Thanks for being willing to take on the responsibility, and good luck. If I can ever be of help, let me know. Jwrosenzweig 00:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Help contribute to Consensus
Thanks for your comments at the pump about consensus decision making. I've noticed that some people have already been working on Consensus. I think the page needs to be expanded and then linked all over. I hope you can contribute. --Samuel Wantman 04:38, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Manchester Catheral
Hey there! Glad to see you join my little attempt to add content to Manchester Cathedral article. This is only my second real attempt to produce an article (first was Sergey Brin), and it's the first time I've experienced the collaborative effect of Wikipedia first-hand (Though I know well of it; I'm a lurker, it's in my nature). I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that it was an amazing feeling and enthused me greatly, despite the fact that Manchester Cathedral falls well outside of my sphere of knowledge and interest. I can only imagine the feeling of working together on something I truly have a passion for. So thanks again, and keep up all your great work. Yours in Liberty, nsh 05:15, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

 * By the way, I noticed that there seems to be a problem with the CSS on your user page. I'm not sure whether it's my client, or a transient mediawiki error, or something wrong with your page code, but the header text "User:CatherineMunro" completely obscures the "user page", "discussion", "edit this page"... tabs. Hope this gets sorted out. :-) nsh 05:32, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Catherine!
I appreciate the edits you made to the contribution I had made. I was limited on time when I found it turning to a snip and I'm also new to Wikipedia. I wasn't quite clear on all of how to format the page. Being rushed for time didn't help. But I love it! It's one of the most exciting projects I've run across in years. :) The edit is a much appreciated improvement.

Edit count
I noticed that you have a link to the old site for kate's tools. The new edit count link is http://kohl.wikimedia.org/~kate/cgi-bin/count_edits.cgi – ABCD 01:59, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

FirstPersonShooters
I chose you at random, I don't know quite how to approach this thing I'm interested in doing. I'm the guy behind firstpersonshooters.org As such I find myself in the enviable position of having something which is what Should be available in that portion of wiki. I have made a few changes here and there to that section for UI reasons, and eventually ripped my entire list of the genre for the wiki page. What I'm getting at here is, my site is both non-commercial and specifically designed to be an encyclopedia for this genre. I would like to poke my way through the ranks to find someone who can make an official decision on some method of integrating my site with wiki, Someone who has the authority to sit down with me and work out a method agreeable to both sides. For my part, I would get much assistance on my site, free publicity, etc, for wiki, there would be a section which would suddenly be vastly more complete, and updated on a regular basis.

Please let me know what steps I can now take to get a sit-down with someone capable of honoring this idea with their attention and backing it up with the full knowledge of how wiki works. Thank you. Advocate (Advocate@gmail.com)

 * Pardon me for evesdropping. I'm not sure specifically what you are looking to do, but it sounds like you may want to try sending a message to Jimbo Wales. func (talk) 17:13, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Only specific user should be able to edit their own user pages
Today I looked at my User page, and found that an anonymous person (ip: 220.65.189.130) had replaced my entire User page with a single picture of a penis. They did it yesterday, so I believe it was in retaliation for a Delete vote I made on WP:VFD.

The page he/she made is here. (Remember, as I said, it's a picture of a penis, the one from the wikipedia article Penis to be exact.)

This brings up a thought in my head... for User pages, shouldn't the user themself be the ONLY one allowed to make edits to their own main user page? --Kitch 15:04, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for anybody to edit anybody else's user page however they see fit? So, for instance, I could edit your user page, and you can't do anything about it except go through the trouble of undoing my changes? --Kitch 01:23, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome message
Hi Catherine, thank you for the welcome. I've checked the Doctors' mess and the WikiProject_Clinical_medicine and confirmed the mind-boggling complexity of our project! I'll become active when I've gathered all my reference books from my other house. I think I'll start from sign (medicine) which is closer to my every day's work. Cheers! --Antono 11:49, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Issues about school articles
In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland).

I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. Kingturtle 02:44, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

promo photos template question
I looked at your Duran Duran article for an example of a story to model some of my formatting after for consistency in Wikipedia. I was working on three detailed music biography stories here. I was wondering about the promophoto template method for several reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Are_large_photo_files_really_necessary.3F is a place where I asked a few questions recently about photos.

For one thing, I don't clearly understand if it's probably a little better from the photographer's standpoint if I just keep the files small in terms of what someone downloading it might be able to do to misuse them. I've seen a photo I uploaded mirrored into several sites and in one case it didn't give the photographer credit, so I had them remove it. But I frankly don't see how for web viewing purposes a 50 kb file is worse than a 500 kb file when we're dealing with the work of a professional photographer who is doing us a favor allowing us to use his or her photo to begin with. I don't really understand clearly if it makes things a little riskier for the photographer, so I wonder if it is ok to use small ones like you did in the Duran Duran story.

Now here is the bigger question....if I were to talk to a record label publicity person about using their Press photo jpgs for a particular story I finished (and possibly any story I do in the future of one of their artists since I tend to have an interest in a couple more and don't want to bother them constantly), but say they do not have time to figure out if they would ever want them GFDL licensed (and maybe wouldn't) but don't mind a small file being used as a "promo photo", do I use the promophoto template and say that I have permission to use them only on a fair use basis? I'm not sure I understand what I'd be saying then. I don't want to imply a GFDL license if they don't specifically give one.

The label I'm thinking of typically has 1 mb photos for the press but not out for the public; I'm not sure what 1 mb photos are used for, do you? They aren't used on the web typically, are they? But they also aren't high enough quality for print at 1 mb either? I guess I don't understand a few things.

Emerman 16:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply at my page; I have asked a couple of more long things in my page (because some of these are promos) but I think I am getting to where I will know how to handle my situation for good after we finish this chat. Thanks again. Emerman 22:22, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Photo captions
In article photos I upload, I had been thinking of whether to put the photographer's name at times in the caption. So far, I've just put the artist's name and year in the caption, and put everything else in the photo description page. I wonder if there's any real reason why someone couldn't put the photographer's name in the caption, especially in the case of people who download photos without looking at the photo description page; I saw a site take a GDFL licensed photo of a musician and put it on a site about a medical disorder the musician had without a credit to the photographer, but they later removed it when I mentioned the license to them. If the photographer is in the caption, it's less likely someone is going to reproduce it without mentioning the photographer. So I was thinking about whether to put a more descriptive caption: "(Artist Name), from (Label)'s promotional photos by (Photographer name) for the (year) album (Album Name)" because that describes it exactly. I wonder if that is too much info for a caption? The more opportunities I have to put a photographer in a caption, the better, so far as I am concerned. I'd do it with all the photos I upload, if I thought it was ok. Emerman 22:23, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, I have questions about the bit in the Upload page about me checking off the copyright owner has agreed to "license" it is kind of weird in the case of a promo photo where all we're trying to say is that it's tagged "fair use" as a "promophoto." I don't have to get someone's "license permission as GFDL" to tag it a promophoto, I didn't think. My understanding was I just have to establish that it is definitely intended by the label as a "promo photo" and then tag that we believe it therefore is fair use, I thought. A label's reps generally just say, "yes, it's a promo photo and it can be used for that by the press" (which they consider us), but they do not have the time or energy to contemplate "licensing" via GNU. I uploaded a small 60 kb format file I created from their much larger 1 mb + original file, to try to indicate even more strongly it's just fair use. I don't think I understand fair use well enough and i want to do my best to not make any copyright mistake. Emerman 22:28, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the pseudoscorpion caption and the previous replies at my page on matters discussed here. I tried the same photographer credit method in your caption with a colon after "Photo." Also I have learned it's a problem regarding confidentiality in some cases to put as much info as I was putting in the photo descrip page and am having to deal with that today. Won't put as much in the captions either, but the photo credit in the caption is still a good idea though..Emerman 14:57, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Music articles: song samples section
Sorry to knock again, but I would like your opinion. I was asked last year by another Wikipedian, who pointed me to the Peter, Paul and Mary article for a model, to add "song samples" in the article on Kristin Hersh; he suggested I upload a "fair use voice sample" but I found it even easier (also with less concern about "fair use" issues) to provide links to samples and downloads already on the web (except for with 50 Foot Wave's article, where I used direct mp3 links I was given permission to use by a publicity company). I am confused today looking at the Kristin Hersh, 50 Foot Wave, and Tanya Donelly articles I've been editing as to whether to put Song samples before or after the References section. The Peter, Paul and Mary article isn't any help on guidance for that because it has no References section. What do you think? I have just now moved Song Samples in the three articles to before References but I previously had them after that section. Do you have a preference and rationale on whether to place samples before or after References? I don't see any samples in your Duran Duran article, and I haven't seen other examples, but will look. — Emerman 03:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Renaming Gmail.jpg
I've been working on the Gmail article for a little bit now.

We recently got a picture of Gmail rendered in Japanese. The picture, however, is named "Gmail.jpg". Since I don't think that's too descriptive, I tried to move the image. When I did, wikipedia helpfully told me that "This action cannot be performed on this page."

I thought you might be able to help. Any ideas?

Thanks, Starwiz 14:32, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * This is what happens when the programmers write bad error messages, I guess. Anyway, thanks for your quick reply; I really appreciate it.  (And for anyone who's reading this and is confused: Images cannot be renamed.  You have to create a copy and then delete the old one.)  Thanks again, Starwiz 00:28, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm absolutely amazed at the swiftness with which the devs tackled the problem! But you're right: The lack of a move tab doesn't help anyone rename the image.  I know the first thing I'd do after I noticed there isn't an option to move an image is to do a search, but the only page I found with half-decent instructions was Requested moves, and they're stuck at the bottom as an afterthought.  I may be bold, but I'm not bold enough to make a new page in the Wikipedia namespace without approval.  Would a new page be in order?  Or am I just not finding the FAQ?  (By the way, am I doing this user talk page thing correctly, responding to your posts on my talk page on yours?  Doesn't this get a little confusing?) Starwiz 01:18, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the help, the compliments, and for the changes to the FAQ. I really do appreciate it. Hope to see you around!  Starwiz 21:59, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Catherine,

Thanks for the encouragement with my Duran Duran stuff. It's nice to have somewhere I can dump my ever growing knowledge base of info.

--Feduciary 14:21, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks for the message, Catherine. I appreciate it. It is good to be back. Fear ÉIREANN  19:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Estonian Wiki passed 10.000
Hi Dont know if you are the one to notice, but I just found out that the Estonian Wikipedia has passed 10.000 articles and thus should be "moved up". Brgds - Ulflarsen 13:31, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you and
Regarding Antoine Carême, I appreciate your taking the time to weigh in on this relatively silly subject. Tony Sidaway has put it up for a vote, so if you can manage it, please go to the talk page and affirm your opinion. In any case, thank you. --Mothperson 16:02, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Schapelle Corby
Hi Catherine. Something went wrong with editing on Schapelle Corby so it looked like you had removed much of the article. This is now clearly not the case. Comparing edit histories now looks like _I_ removed much of the article, which is also not the case. Your last edit to Schapelle Corby isn't even showing anymore. Robertbrockway 21:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, now the editing history is straight again but now it looks like you removed much of the article again. I give up, I have work to do :)  Robertbrockway 21:18, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Catherine. Responding to your post in my talk section, I'm sorry about the confusion too. Wikipedia does seem to have been doing some odd stuff. I hope my edit message for Schapelle Corby didn't seem too gruff :)  Robertbrockway 05:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC).

Please Stop
You are apparently the one who has been adding inappropriate material to Hoboken, New Jersey, in the form of repeated mentions and images of Mayor Dave Roberts, who is currently up for re-election. Take a look at other pages for small to midsize American towns-- most have no mention of current mayor, and certainly not repeated descriptions and photos. If you really feel Mr. Roberts is such a notable figure, please expand the article devoted to him... Please don't put me to the trouble of calling in Administrators. JDG 18:07, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Forgive me for eavesdropping. According to the page history, Catherine made a single edit to this article, restoring information previously already there. There is no evidence of her adding "repeated mentions" of anything. func (talk) 18:32, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Most of the Roberts boosterism was added by anon users, if I remember aright, who could have been an unlogged-in Catherine. Why would she go about painstakingly restoring Roberts stuff otherwise? Maybe there are two or more Roberts enthusiasts, I dunno. If it ends here, no prob. JDG 18:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

 * But why are you assuming this user is releated to the anon because of a single edit. Please see Assume good faith. func (talk) 18:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It's just the logic of the situation. How many people can be stalking the Hoboken article putting in plugs for an obscure small-time mayor?... I did say "apparently". Catherine is free to clear up any misunderstanding. But the important thing is that these edits stop, and she was the last to restore them. JDG

Thanks for stepping in, func; I know you're familiar with my work so I appreciate the support. I believe this mix-up is a symptom of WP's history glitches over the last few weeks. I've left an explanation at Talk:Hoboken, New Jersey: I haven't edited the article as an anon, and only made one edit, to fix an anon's deletion of the Demographics section. My only interest in New Jersey is that my husband was born there once upon a time! Sorry for the confusion... — Catherine\talk 20:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Dumb Newbie in need of help!!!
Hi, wonder if you can help me? Theres an image I want to upload, and although I see loads of stuff explaining how to place pics once they're uploaded, I cant see anything that actually explains the upload process itself......(I am myopic in R.L., but even so!) Thanks in advance

Jcuk

Thanks
For information about SVG files. :) Yug 15:00, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Possible new mediator and committee chair
Mgm has nominated himself to be a mediator and indicated he's willing to take over as chair. In an effort to help keep the mediation process alive, it would be nice if you could comment on this at Mediation Committee. --Michael Snow 20:10, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Humanbot update 08 June 2005
Version two-two released today includes in that green box a nice count of how many articles are left. This more or less co-incides with the event of hitting only 1000 articles remaining. Also, I have re-arranged the User:Humanbot page to make it easier to get to the right stuff. Progress charts, wikicookies, wikilove and a more thorough spelling check is promised when this is completed. (and also when the exam pressure eases off a little on me) r3m0t talk 17:41, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC) Note: If you think this message was too trivial for a mailing, tell me and I'll stick to more important announcements on the list.

User:Humanbot update 13 June 2005
The spelling2 project (to work on secondary namespaces) was opened and finished. Progress charts will be available soon.

Version six-three tracks who made the edits, and rankings are available. Much of the work was done while I was asleep, explaining my low place ;).

The next project, which may even be released today, will probably fix incorrectly capitalised headings, particularly "See Also" and "External Links".

The mailing list has grown to 24 people and while that is very nice for my ego, it is rather difficult to send out updates. This is why I did not send out a notice that the spelling2 project had opened. From now on, then, you must watch User:Humanbot/announce for updates. r3m0t talk 12:03, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Mediation request
I have posted a request for mediation, and as I understand it, I'm expected to select a member of the Mediation Committee and ask them to serve. By flipping a multi-sided coin, I've picked you. Can you help us? Requests_for_mediation. Tverbeek 05:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Request for mediation
I would like to submit to you a request for mediation regarding a user and administrator User:AndyL. This user has hijacked pages relating to the Canadian Monarchy to push his strong republican POV (demonstrated easily by his editing history), debate and discussion has no effect, and his attitude is bullyish and borderline offensive. There are two key areas where this is happening: on the Monarchist League of Canada page where he is trying to push his POV about the status of the Crown in Canada, and on Monarchy in Canada where he is trying to make his debate a part of the article.

I also might mention that he instigated a VfD for a page I created called Elizabeth II of Canada. While I don't object to that course of action, I do object to his reasoning which he stated on the related Votes for deletion/Elizabeth II of Canada page as being "page is redundant and created for a purely POV purpose." I was also accused by him of "vote interference," etc., etc. He also heavily edited the article, removing large portions of it, almost immediately after instigating the VfD, and thereby influencing the opinions of 'voters' on the article.

I put in a request for advocacy at the AMA, but it has not received a response. As well, I think AndyL's actions warrant a more serious intervention.

I have contacted User:AndyL about this request for mediation at his Talk page:User talk:AndyL]

I would be pleased if you could assist in bringing this issue to an amicable finish. Thank you, --gbambino 20:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm having a real problem with Ed Poor and have formally requested mediation
See also his talk page and the administrator's noticeboard for details.

Really need some help here, serious disruption by means of multiple page moves at Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005. Talk page there will make for interesting reading, as well. BrandonYusufToropov 19:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dialects of the region of Calabria, southern Italy
Hi Katherine.. thank you for your advice regarding the Calabrian dialectal issues. I took your suggestion and updated the name to the Dialects_of_Calabria. Everything is also cited below with the external links to places like the official Ethnologue World linguistic classifications.

I also added many links and other information about the numerous dialects of Calabria, some of which are not even Romance/Latin-based in nature. Hence, a true Calabrian language does not exist. I hope you will be pleased with the updates.

I also put a lot of work into streamlining and updating the other language websites in southern Italy as well:
 * Italiano_meridionale-interno
 * Italiano_meridionale-estremo
 * Sicilian_language
 * Neapolitan_language
 * Arbëreshë
 * Albanian_language
 * Lombard_language
 * Gallo-Italic
 * Franco-Provençal
 * Griko
 * Greek_language

And I also added cultural, historical, and geographical content to the regional pages of Calabria and Apulia in southern Italy as part of the changes. I hope this satisfies your suggestions and thank you again for your advice! --VingenzoTM 21:05, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thank you from Uwe
hallo Catherine! thank you for promoting my most beloved mystic critter - what contry are you from? - you have great contributions, I like your Duran Duran feature - take care Uwe Kils 03:02, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

response from London
Uwe wants to share this with you (from his talk page):

Hello Kils
Just would like to state that i have very much enjoyed being involved in a project of this nature. To see the speed of co-operation between various people was (Uwe, Lupo and Salleman and all others) fantastic. It was a complete buzz to go off researching about a scientific subject and coming to some understanding and appreciation of a creature that i would have no knowledge or interest in otherwise. I would like to say that it takes a damn good teacher to get others interested in what they teach and i for one, if only in a rudimentary and general way have found the subject of Krill and sorrounding issues of ecology and environment fascinating. I think that says a lot about your willingness to let others participate in something which you obviously have great knowledge in and could easily have been a lot less humble with. At some point i will put up some informtion on my home page so at least people know a little more about me. Am going to try to extend the article on Ice-algae so any info you may have would be good. I hope the article on Antartic Krill gets featured as i think it is now very good.

Wikiversity sounds like a good idea but will need more time to go through the proposal (not too sure what help i could be).

Once again thanks Uwe! Yakuzai 22:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

that feels good

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Antarctic_krill

did you see who gave the picture of the day? take care Uwe Kils 23:58, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

women are most important!
thank you for your nice words - I allways felt that to have women on board is most important - my finest and most successfull students were female (see some on my userpage - thank you for your offer, I take it: we are now working on eel reproduction and my English is rotten - where are you? best regards Uwe Kils 03:15, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Rfmchat

Inclusion not Deletion
(AIW) can you take a look at Wikipedia "apartheid"? There is a movement to delete a two-word inclusion that is fact and true. It's gotten to the point that everyone is focused on the disputing editors and not the edit itself.

" Deletionists are disputing the following statement: "South Africa was settled initially by the Dutch, Germans and French from the 17th century onwards. English, other European settlers, and Diaspora Jews followed in the 19th century." This statement is true, and it therefore should not be deleted.69.217.125.53 15:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Apartheid

Thanks!

 * I was also spammed with this, it is not an inclusionist/deletionist issue, it's an edit war.   — PhilHibbs | talk 08:34, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

eels
hallo Catherine! thank you for the help with the eels - amzing critters, arn't they? regards Uwe Kils 03:02, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * we want to make this FA, see our last project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Antarctic_krill Uwe Kils [[Image:heringmini.jpg]] 03:11, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * I see you are working again on Euphausia superba - that is great - did you see how much they like the mystic critter now - thanks again and best greetings Uwe Kils [[Image:heringmini.jpg]] 00:21, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

pleonsternite
that's right Uwe Kils 00:34, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

edit counter
how do I set up such an edit counter like you have? I have over 1500 edits but show not up in the list - help please - Uwe Kils 00:42, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, I found it out 2826, but why do I not show up in the list? Uwe Kils [[Image:heringmini.jpg]] 00:50, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * thank you, and how do I get on the list? <font color="A29EBA">Uwe Kils [[Image:heringmini.jpg]] 00:58, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

production area
I changed it somewhat, please look again <font color="A29EBA">Uwe Kils 01:15, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Biomass
I think the edits that you have both made on the Antarctic Krill article are very good and the section seems to work a lot better for me now. Thank you and remember bears are not just for christmas they are for life! Yakuzai 09:17, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Music
do u like stay on teh computer all day?

 * soundgarden and smashing pumpkins for music. u like them?

 * it depends there first album Ultramega OK is good if u like punkier and more underground rock music. Louder Than Love is good if u like slow Black Sabbathy metal or Led Zeppelin. Badmotorfinger is good if u like punk/metal that is polished up. Superunkown had most of the hits like Spoonman and Fell on Black Days. I thougth the last album Down on the Upside wasnt as good as the rest of the albums

Request for Mediate re: The Truth About Hillary
Hi Catherine!

My name is Rich Sampson and I need some help.. I'm sure you've heard of the new Hillary Clinton expose that was just published. (The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew it, and How far she'll go to be President) by Edward Klein. I purchased the book out of morbid curiosity and thought Wikipedia would like to have a book summary. So I wrote one on the page, which had very little info on it, and did my upmost to be as middle-of-the-road as possible. Everyone seems to like the article but one particular users continues to object to the fact that we have characterized two people who have made comments on the novel as liberal and conservative. Matt Drudge, who is responsible single-handedly for it being a Number 1 amazon best-seller was identified as conservative. Joe Conason, who had made the first liberal response to it was identified as liberal. Their quotes on the novel are reproduced, along with their names and political views.

This is under the controversy subheading, to show the two sides of the debate. A user, who seems to have two names -- Pitchka and Dwain  has been removing Drudge's conservative characterization. I then put an interview excerpt of an interview with Drudge on the TALK page for the article stating he's conservative and proud of it. I restored the conservative characterization. Then he began deleting both the conservative and liberal characterization. It was replaced by myself with an explanation, and other users have spoken up saying that they're important to include, simply because it better informs the reader as to the source of these opinions. However, Dwain and/or Pitchka continue to revert it against the consensus opinion. He left a message on my talk page (my name is RJSampson ) blasting liberals (though I myself lean conservative) and saying "And since I started this article I will not give in to you on this issue". It's almost as if he isn't concerned about providing information, but is simply acting impulsively. I wrote him back kindly, explaining my position as I have on the talk page, but consensus doesn't register with him, nor does simply talking out our ideas. His page indicates he's extremely conservative and he enjoys how that angers people on wikipedia. He seems to consider everyone else stupid, from what i read on Pitchka|Pitchka. I've tried everything I can think of to make a professional, central article but nothing has helped resolve this needless conflict. Please advise.

Thanks so much for your help! Richard SAmpson

 * added more

 * thatd be funny if wikipedia got sued

thanks i was gonna finish most of the other singles later

how do you upload images Jobe6 03:34, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lol i found it out and also is the image i used a suitable one?

i thought i was ussing Jobe6 04:11, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Added a few more pics to the Soundgarden page and added some to Flower. I put in a page for Hands All Over but ill finish taht tomorrow or today howevver u look at it.

Soundgarden
made a

Soundgarden
made a Jobe6 00:54, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

Interested in an L.A.-area Wiki meetup?
It appears as though L.A. has never had a Wiki meetup. Would you be interested in attending such an event? If so, checkout User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup.

- Eric 28 June 2005 04:03 (UTC)

Adminship
What kinds of things can i do to become an administrator? Ive read teh page that tells wat i can do but i was just seeing wat you would suggest.

Aye-aye
I've replied to you on talk:strpsirrhini. - UtherSRG July 1, 2005 16:22 (UTC)

adminship
Would it or would it not be smart to apply for adminship now? I only have 164 edits to articles and I am barely known in the wikipedia community. How can i get more people to know who i am? Jobe6 July 9, 2005 00:57 (UTC)

Template locations
I have noticed you discussed template locations at Wikipedia talk:template messages.

One user has unilaterally been moving templates from articles to talk pages en-masse (over 100 articles are affected during a spate made by the user last night). I have spent some time trying to resolve this issue.

There is now a poll discussing where templates belong created at Template locations, and a discussion at Template talk:Expansion. 14:04, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Vote!
You've shown your opposition of Disruptive User, but you didn't vote. Please do. Howabout1 Talk to me! 22:59, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

hello! i am a new member and i just submitted my first article to Wikipedia "Paul Revere Williams 1894-1980" and i neglected to log in before i submitted it. I was hoping to get credit for this, my first contribution. My account name is Hamster Sandwich. My email addy is jdot66@hotmail.com and i was hoping as an admin here you might help me get the credit for this submission. yes or no please take a minute to write me back and let me know how things might play out in this situation. I want to be a regular contributer to this, the most valuable resource on the WWW. thank you for your time!

krill on mainpage in Danmark today
hallo Catherine! today our antarctic krill is on the main page in Danmark (where my roots are!) http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forside - thank you again for your help <font color="A29EBA">Uwe Kils 15:12, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

Using copyrighted images - fair use / fair dealing
I was more than a little disturbed by your statements here which I will requote fully, as well as my response from Talk:7_July_2005_London_bombings:

 * Their license is NOT compatible with ours. Even if we counted as media, which we don't for their purposes, by uploading them here we'd be (at least perceived as) putting them under the GFDL and making them available for others to use under the GFDL, which is not Trackernet's intent.  It's fine and very desirable to link there, and point out the important nature of the pictures, but we cannot upload and use the pictures here.  — Catherine\talk 18:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course we can since one can use images that are copyrighted under fair use so their 'license' has nothing to do with it. More than a few images are used on Wikipedia underfair use, as is quotes and other portions of copyrighted material.  Reread my statements above and hopefully we can dispell ignorance on how we can use fairuse rights to the fullest extent (so they are not taken away).  --ShaunMacPherson 21:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

As you may or may not know copyright has limits, they could have said "we do not authorize anyone who is white, or who likes cats from using our images" but that would not fly as copyright is not an unlimited right. They cannot do that - the power of copyright is limited and one of those limitations is individuals being able to use portions under fair use / fair dealing.

If we waive our fair use rights by default then they will be taken away, and since Wikipedia seems to be about freedom of information to individuals it is damaging when people advocate waiving fair use rights. Thanks for your time! --ShaunMacPherson 21:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

just wanted to let an administraitor know that someone deleted the Germany section and replaced it whit "Heil Hitler".

moving articles
hi there Catherine,

I need your help please. I created an article with a specific name heading, and I followed the rules of naming royals. now someone else came, and simply moved the article without placing a discussion on it first. of course I tried to move the article back to the original name, pointing out that if they want to move something, they need to place a discussion first. I tried to restore the article by copying and pasting the content back, because I couldn´t move it anymore. so obviously I was accused of breaking the rules in that case.

I couldn´t move the article back, so now I apparently need a help from an administrator. I find highly ironic, that the users would accuse me of breaking the rules, when they themselves did not follow them. is that fair, i just don´t understand how it works sometimes...?

the articles that were moved are:

 * Srirasmi, which I tried to move back to the original Princess Srirasmi of Thailand

 * Chulabhorn, which I tried to move back to Princess Chulabhorn of Thailand

 * Tipangkorn Rasmichoti, which User:Adam Carr originally created as Prince Tipangkorn Rasmichoti and which was moved without discussion.

the discussing parties are having some issues with the naming, however in this case there are no clear rules and so I would like to post a discussion on the topic obviously. but until then, I am not in the mood of a constant moving-war and those users should just leave the article under the original names until there is a consensus.... or am I just not understanding something right here? really appreciate your time and looking forward to your response. thank you.... Antares911 22:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC): hi Catherine, thank you for your kind posting.

that was precisely the problem. in this situation there are no clear rules on the naming. I just don´t understand how someone comes, moves the articles without going thru all the procedures that you described (which I know). and then why I try to restore it, I get criticised and told to do exactly the procedure, that the other users chose to simply ignore? even though I wrote that article and followed the naming rules? thanks again for your help and time. Antares911 10:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Accurate contributions
May I ask you to have a look at the Nick Adams page. I am sorry that there is an edit war going on. I have included two additional passages in the article, but User:Wyss and his alter ego User:Ted Wilkes have repeatedly deleted this text. Interestingly, both users seem to take turns in doing repeated reverts in order to delete what I have written, presumably to escape violation of the three revert rule. See Nick Adams, history. To my mind, both users are identical. They seem to use different IP addresses, which is possible, as in the past, User:DW, another of the many aliases of Wyss and Ted Wilkes, had repeatedly been banned. Significantly, a user has written on the User:Elliot page (one of the aliases of DW):
 * Isn't it amazing how much Elliot's contributions mirror DW's and Ron Davis's. Same refusal to answer questions. Same insistence that he is always right. Same vicious rudeness to anyone who dares to question his judgment. Maybe we could call them the Blessed Trinity, or maybe 'The Popes', given they seem to believe in their own infallibility.

This sounds as if it has been written against users Wyss and Ted Wilkes. See also the history of the User:Ted Wilkes page. Erroneously, Wyss has also contributed to that page. See

Be that as it may, I have added these two passages to the Nick Adams page:
 * 1. At about the same time Adams was also a close friend to Elvis Presley. This is confirmed by Red West, member of the 'Memphis Mafia' (pals and employees of Elvis), and Judy Spreckels, the platonic girlfriend of Elvis in the early days of the singer's career.
 * What is wrong with this passage? It should be added that there are photographs showing Elvis together with Adams. So it is quite clear that Adams and Elvis had been close friends at that time. See and  Their friendship must be mentioned in the article. It is part of Adams's biography.
 * 2. According to several sources, Adams had homosexual leanings. In his 2004 biography Natalie Wood: A Life, Gavin Lambert writes, "Her first studio-arranged date with a gay or bisexual actor had been with Nick Adams..." In 1972, Sal Mineo stated that Adams told him that he had a big affair with James Dean. The book Elvis: The Hollywood Years (David Bret, 2002) even claims Elvis Presley was intimate with Adams. That the singer had an affair with Adams is also confirmed by Elvis's stepmother, Dee Presley. However there are no court records, contemporary letters or statements attributed to Adams to support the rumours that Adams was homosexual.
 * The reputed biographer Lambert, who also worked for many years as a Hollywood screenwriter, was a lifelong friend of Wood's. He was deeply involved in Hollywood's gay scene and must have known that Adams had homosexual leanings. It is also a fact that gay actor Sal Mineo was in close contact with both Adams and Dean. It should also be noted that in the Hollywood world Adams is more widely known for his contacts and affairs with other well-known stars than his acting career. So his affairs with James Dean and Elvis Presley are of much importance and should be mentioned in the article.
 * In my opinion, the last sentence, written by Wyss, is not necessary as many Hollywood homosexuals did not "out" themselves, but I am willing to make this concession to user Wyss. I have only cited what is written in independent books and articles (see Talk:Nick Adams). I think this is in line with the Wikipedia guidelines, as administrator User:Ed Poor said:
 * unless an assertion is utterly uncontroversial, it's going to need some back-up. Especially, if one of more contributors challenge the assertion. Then, it's better to move the disputed passage to the article's associated talk page.
 * A good way to deal with disputed ideas is to attribute an assertion to a source. Like:
 * Nick Adams says James Dean screwed Natalie Wood while Elvis watched (note: this is a made-up example); or,
 * Nick Adams says Elvis Presley paid X to cover up his homosexual affairs with Y and Z (another made-up example)
 * Note the common theme here. Wikipedia is not saying Adams [in the made-up example] is right, it's merely passing along his claims clearly attributed to him.

I think I have accurately cited my sources. In addition, gay biographer David Ehrenstein, who has written a book on Hollywood gays, sent me an email in which he confirmed the assertion that Adams was gay (see Talk:Nick Adams). As an expert, he must have used several sources which prove that Adams had homosexual leanings. I am the person involved in this edit war who frequently cites different sources which all prove that Adams was gay, and Wyss/Ted Wilkes is the person who is constantly disparaging these sources - in lack of further evidence supporting his view. Indeed, user Wyss is unable to cite any sources which undoubtedly prove that Adams was heterosexual. I don't know what else I can do. May I ask for mediation?

 * The edit war continues. It has now reached a critical point, as it has also been transferred to the Gavin Lambert article. May I again ask for help? Thanks. 80.141.180.79 11:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

ADminship
I know that you dont receive any special powers over anyone.(I dont want power over anyone really) Its just I think that a bunch of tasks on wikipedia like gettin rid of vandalism would be easier. I have a really bad internet connection so it takes forever to check history and then to edit page. Jobe6 02:22, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

L.A. Meetup Reminder
Don't forget! L.A's first Wiki meetup is TONIGHT at 7:30 at Philippe's in Downtown. Check out the meetup page for details. See you there! (If you can't make it, come to the next one! - Eric 22:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Advertisements
Dear Cat: Hi! I wanted to tell you thank you for pointing out the advertisement links, otherwise Id made an article destined to be merged. I actually added one or two I know on one of the lists.

Thanks for the photo adorning your page too, youre quite attractive, I think.

About Duran Duran, remeber The Union of the Snake?? I saw the 1984 video in which Duran Duran came to the USA and they dedicated The Morning After to Marvin Gave, I swear that it still makes my eyes watery when I hear that song, out of Gave's memory and also its so beautiful. And how about The Reflex? That was the best song of 1984!!

My expertise as far as rock music is Menudo becuase, in 1982 as a ten year old in Latin America, what you wanted was to be a Menudo so you could have all the girls faining for you after you sang Clara, Lluvia (Rain) or Sube a mi Motora (Motorcycle Dreamer'')..LOL

Well thanks for everything and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Men-You-Do Martin

Featured article candidate
Could very obscure and unknown bands become featured article candidates if the article was very good? Jobe6 01:58, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Medcom
Please update Template:MedComOpenTasks (list current cases) and Template:Medcom (add * for each current case) to reflect your current status. Sinreg, -St|eve 22:59, 27 July 2005 (UTC) P.S. New rules in testing: No absolute consensus for mediation, (else to WP:RFAR), and MC:Chair assignment of mediators, rather than disputant agreement (given no confict)

PPS:Would you be able to assist WP:RFM. -SV

History of Baseball
Catherine:

Thank you for suggesting that I get an account. I will try to put a few hours into updating information in baseball. I publish the largest minor league sports publication, and, in the last five years I've done stories and interviewed dozens of people for the publication who have given me a much better and broader view of the history of the sport than comes from the major market sports writers. They knew about as little as I did, because the marketplace was largely invisible to the mainstream media for decades.

We will also be contributing information from some of our historical articles at Minor League News (MLN) that we put together for leagues like the Pacific Coast League (PCL). I got a letter from Cathy Brovia, Joe's widow, thanking me for taking the time to keep his memory alive. I still have several players from the 2004 PCL Hall of Fame to add. I was happy to make some additions to Pants Rowland, whom I researched for an article for about six weeks. This is a great project.

Cheers,

Brian Ross Sr. Editor Minor League News (MLN) www.mlnsportszone.com

Process question regarding Move to Wiktionary
Hi Catherine -

What is the process when one disagrees with the addition of the "move to wiktionary" tag? The case in point is the article take, which currently has both cleanup and move to wiktionary tags added. In my view this is a perfectly legitimate, concise encyclopedia entry; the context that is given and the supporting detail move it beyond a simple dicdef.

So, what do I do? Just delete the tag? Argue about it on the talk page? There doesn't seem to be the equivalent of a vfd page for this process. If the only answer is "expand the article", then I have a bit of a concern since it seems rather arbitrary to have one person's judgement demand action without a clear consensus.

I come to you rather than the person who originally added the tag because they appear to have left temporarily. Thanks.

Jgm 12:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jism2

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 08:40, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jism2
Bollyporn. sjorford// 22:19, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 23:45, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * There's a reason for deletion I never expected to see. Delete, seems to be just another porn flick. -- Cyrius|✎ 02:53, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Err... delete, I guess. It looks like promo copy. — RJH 04:36, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. utcursch 12:00, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete - another "Oh Honestly!" case of rubbish - do they have nothing better to do? The name says it all - a load of Jism! Brookie 19:58, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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text: Category:British classical pianists

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Kamijima, Ehime

Kamijima (上島町) is a town located in Ochi District, Ehime Prefecture, Japan. , the town had an estimated population of 6,332 in 3780 households and a population density of 210 persons per km2. The total area of the town is 30.38 sqkm.

Geography
Kamijima is an archipelago of 25 islands (seven of which are inhabited) the Seto Inland Sea in between Shikoku and Honshu, and is considered a subgroup of the Geiyo Islands. The highest elevation is Mount Sekizen on Iwaki Island, with a height of 370 meters. The main islands are Yugeshima, Sashima, Iwagishima, Akonejima, Tsunamijima, Ikinajima, Uoshima, Takaikamishima, Teshima, Enoshima, Hyakunoshima, Hyakkanjima (the northernmost tip of Ehime Prefecture)

Climate
Kamijima has a Humid subtropical climate (Köppen Cfa) characterized by warm summers and cool winters with light snowfall. The average annual temperature in Kamijima is 15.8 °C. The average annual rainfall is 1418 mm with September as the wettest month. The temperatures are highest on average in January, at around 27.2 °C, and lowest in January, at around 5.2 °C.

Demographics
Per Japanese census data, the population of Kamijima has been generally decreasing since the 1960s and is now less than it was a century ago.

History
The area of Kamijima was part of ancient Iyo province, and during the Edo Period was part of the holdings of Iyo-Matsuyama Domain. The islands were strategically important for controlling trade in the Seto Inland Sea and became part of the route for daimyō from far western Japan to travel to-and-from the Shogun's court in Edo as part of their sankin kōtai obligation. The village of Yuge was established on December 15, 1889, with the creation of the modern municipalities system. It was elevated to town status on January 1, 1953. On October 1, 2004, Yuge merged of the villages of Ikina, Iwagi, and Uoshima, to form the town of Kamijima.

Government
Kamijima has a mayor-council form of government with a directly elected mayor and a unicameral town council of 13 members. Kamijima, together with Imabari, contributes six members to the Ehime Prefectural Assembly. In terms of national politics, the town is part of Ehime 2nd district of the lower house of the Diet of Japan.

Economy
The economy of Kamijima is centered on aquaculture, horticulture and nursing care. The area around the islands is noted as a fishing ground for sea bream. Nori seaweed farming has long been popular. Shipbuilding-related industries are located on Iwagishima, including a machinery factory owned by Imabari Shipbuilding.

Education
Kamijima has four public elementary schools and three public middle school operated by the town government, and one public high school operated by the Ehime Prefectural Board of Education.

Transportation
Transportation is entirely depends on sea transportation. Distance between the larger inhabited islands is short, and there are ferries that operate shuttles, albeit small ones, during the daytime hours. However, the car ferry is only connected to the Hiroshima Prefecture side, and there is no means of direct access by car to Ehime Prefecture.

Points of interest

 * Kubota Palm Garden
 * Yugeshima Shōen ruins, National Historic Site

Noted people from Kamijima

 * Kamijima is the hometown of the British musician David Sinclair.

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USS Gates

USS Gates may refer to the following ships of the United States Navy:

 * USS Gates (1776), a galley built in 1776 and scuttled in 1777 to prevent capture by British forces
 * USS Thomas S. Gates, a cruiser launched 14 December 1985 and decommissioned 15 December 2005

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Category:British classical musicians

Wikipedia contains a large number of articles about British classical musicians, but they are not yet all in the categories below. Categories where further relevant articles can be found include English musicians and classical musicians.

title: Category:British classical musicians