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personal attacks?
It is inappropriate to accuse holders of another POV of being "ludicrous", and a sign of bad faith. Stirling Newberry 14:01, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I never ment to suggest that you are ludicrous, and I apologise if you thought that. Quite different, I feel that statements like "most scientists believe", particularly in reference to the Intelligent Design promoted by William A. Dembski are ludicrous. I don't know you, and I haven’t formed any opinion about yourself based on our minimal encounter. I see that you felt I have however, and I am glad for the opportunity to clarify that I have not. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 14:08, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pederasty
Hi Sam. Can you please review the relevant discussion on the pederasty article? I am in a dispute with the new moderator refdoc. And many brains are better than one. Any added input would be welcome. Thanks again. Apollomelos 16:25, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, but I know almost nothing about afgani pederasty, and tend to sympathize w refdoc's argument that such allegations are made around the world, often groundlessly (altho certainly almost always based on at least 1 incident). That said, the articles you point to do seem to feel that such is prevalant. My guess is that khandahar is something like san francisco in the USA? (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:31, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is there a reason
Can you tell me why SimonP has deleted the external link to the Classical definition of republic on the republican site? Is there any Wikipedian rules for this? Can you get back to me, Thanks.WHEELER 20:40, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * He feels he is obeying VfD rules. Obviously I don't agree. You'll have to ask him for specifics, but have a look @ Deletion policy. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 20:46, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I put my page on the Undelete page. I got great confirmation of my article. It even says that a republic is defined "as no single class" that is dominant. This is great. And people are still refusing and voting to keep it deleted. This is not right at all.WHEELER 21:37, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The VfD process is a bad one, and allow POV pushers and majoritocracy to make important descisions. Its very unfortunate, and will eventually need to be changed. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 22:45, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Rape!
Thanks for your support on placing an image there, no matter the result. Haiduc 14:24, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I have to say the accusations of vandalism were in particularly poor taste, and that combined w the otherwise undiscussed revert was unfortunate. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 14:27, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Clarification on jewish ethnocentrism?
I'm just wondering if you have a response, WRT the undeletion vote on jewish ethnocentrism, to a few specific claims that have been made. As I understand, you claim that the VfD was invalid because: Some have claimed that the vote in fact did not end earlier than normal, having a full run on VfD. Is this, in your view, incorrect? How does it differ from other things that have run through VfD? The second point, if you are indeed making such a point with your reference to Larry, is interesting and bears consideration -- I have no opinion as of yet on it. --Improv 17:00, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) The vote ended earlier than normal
 * 2) Even regardless of the vote, the topic is real and it exists as a member of a group of related, similar articles on ethnocentrism

 * The first I based on points made by others, I am personally unfamiliar with the intricacies of VfD. The second is the actual basis for my position; I feel there is alot to be said about Jewish Ethnocentrism, little having to do w Kevin MacDonalds unpopular views. Indeed I have said a few times any such article should be focused mainly on views within the Jewish community, the concept of Jews as a Chosen people, and so forth. The views of anti-semites should be a section, not the theme of the article. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 17:13, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * At this point undeleting the article seems far less important than the majoritocratic elements of VfD and polls generally on the wiki, which seem to be allowing POV advocate groups to determine article content, especially when they maintain large lists of users they know will vote a certain way, and them either email them, or notify them by wiki-talk page in order to achieve their goals. I think this meta-issue is far more troubling. Even when there is not an organised POV campaign, the people who vote tend to be the people who are interested, and the people who are interested in a certain subject are infinitely more likely to possess a POV than those who are not. Polls and votes articulate wiki demographics, not NPOV. In summary, Polls are evil, Don't vote on everything, and in conclusion, Voting Is Evil. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 17:38, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I understand your concern -- it covers a lot of ground in plenty of areas and communities -- in fact wherever governance of any kind is required. However, the classic question which comes next is, "what then?". There are not many well-known perspectives besides that of the autocrat and that of the masses voting. There are, of course, bureaucracies set up in either system, with their own logic, and various attempts at meritocracy in various forms, with various means in place to attempt to keep power-hungry people from supplanting the meritorious, however that is defined. How would you like to see Wikipedia governed, and do you see starting an alternate Wikipedia, governed as you suggest, as an option? Not trying to mock you -- I'm actually rather interested in political philosophy. --Improv 22:12, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * As am I. My suggestion is uncomplicated, and merely involves using/improving the processes we already have, citations and concensus. I feel very strongly that we should focus on the unanimous form of concensus, and the compromise it requires. If a user is unwilling to compromise, they are either right or wrong, but something should be done. Either a) they are right, but not presenting their case very well, or b) they are wrong, and unable to accept it. Either way, they should probably move on, and if they won't, they can be helped, by the arbitration commitee if need be.

 * As far as the anti-elitism Lang Sanger complains about, I think the solution is very easy. Users who are verifiable experts (and I'm not entirely sure how we ought to verify, but I am sure it can be done) should be able to be cited as expert witnesses on the subject of their expertise, and the no original research policy should be relaxed in their regards. That said, they shouldn't be some sort of trump card or page master, but rather one of the many citable references on a given subject. Experts should have no greater say (or not much more) than a random user with a solid reference to quote from.

 * So those are my ideas, thoughts?

 * (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 14:05, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, taking it in the two parts,
 * I think unanimous consensus is unfortunately too high a burden for decisionmaking on Wikipedia, and would effectively default to being an adminless wiki because anyone who supports an adminless wiki would have no reason to comprimise at all if they can merely win by being a sole naysayer. I'm sure a number of people would be able to dance around the need for arbitration by being careful with their votes and positioning, and would just impede housekeeping, which is a big part of wikis. You also assume that compromise is always firstly possible (many problems have binary solutions), secondly always desirable (what if someone actually makes a counterproposal to move things the other way because that's what they've always wanted, but could accept the status quo and not the new proposal?) (and what makes us think that comprimise always leads to a better wikipedia? What if we, for example, were asked to comprimise on NPOV, and to give a lot of extra weight to stormfront folk? Perhaps we might just say .. yes, we'll comprimise! We'll give them a little extra weight in argument and otherwise be NPOV. Good comprimise?), and thirdly that there even is a right solution in all cases. In many areas, I don't think there's a right solution, nor that any are very preferable to others. In cases like these, there are just multiple different ways the wikipedia could go, and while each way is consistant, none are preferable to another and a comprimise is worse than any.
 * I agree that it would be good to give more weight to people we can mark as experts (witness is a silly word though). I don't think that "no original research" should be loosened though -- plenty of researchers have particular speculations about how things might work, and letting them put speculation on the encyclopedia isn't kosher. I agree that their statements of fact should be considered, barring contradiction by another marked expert on the topic or something really ludicrous, to be more trusted and more evidence should be required to contradict them in disputes on what is true in the world (e.g. a historical expert on the Civil War makes a statement that the 8th cavalry was in South Carolina in some date, and some random person argues that the date is different. We go with the historical expert unless the random person can find some really strong evidence to contradict). --Improv 08:37, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * In sum, to me voting doesn't seem that bad, especially because I don't see anything else being clearly better. --Improv 08:37, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I happen to prefer unaminity, and defering to citations over voting, but I don't have a whole lot of snappy answers to your objections. I will say there is alot of potential for misuse of the voting system, and that majority demographics shouldn't be the final say in matters of factual accuracy or NPOV, but as far as whats better... its largely a matter of taste. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:01, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Communication?
I'm unsure as to the source ofyour puzzlement. All you have to do is read, think about, and respond to the arguments that I've laid out and the citations and examples that I've given. You don't have to agree with me, you don't have to accept any of what I say; honest and thoughtful disagreement is great — it's what I'm paid to engender, and what I enjoy, and it's the only route to possible eventual agreement. In fact, even if you'd done me the courtesy of pretending to respond to what I wrote, instead of simply repeating the same opinion again and again, it would probably have kept the temperature of the debate down a little. It's difficult to believe that you're not behaving in this way deliberately in order to wind me up, but I'm doing my best to assume good faith. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:36, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I suppose a problem is that in not feeling your responses were applicable, I've ignored them and focused on the priority:Citations and verifiability. I agree that I was unwavering in that regard, and never for a moment considered your appeal to precedent. It wouldn't matter to me how many examples of errors you came up with, I would still insist that here on the wikipedia, contested statements require citations. If that policy is changed, I would not only depart from editing, I'd stop using the wikipedia entirely. The very point of a book of reference is its verifiability, and once that is removed, its value goes with it. You may be able to find errors elsewhere, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 21:44, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, at least you've admitted to ignoring my arguments and examples, which is something for future reference. Your claim is that comments of the sort with which you're concerned are unacceptable in a reputable refernce work. In what way are examples of reputable reference works including such comments irrelevant? You seem to mean: “I know what I think, don't confuse me with the facts.” That you brand them errors simply shows that you're dealing in prejudice rather than reason. Moreover, the point of a book of reference isn't its verifiablity; you might want that to be true of Wikipedia, but it's simply not true as a general statement. (I suppose you have citations and references for your general statements on this matter?) Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:08, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * See Reference, and Cite your sources. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 13:42, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

First, my examples included six citations of scientific agreement on the status of Dembski's work (not to intelligent design in general, but to Dembski). Some of those references included many more references, and summarised the general opinion. In what way do those not count as adequate sources for the general statement to which you refer? If you think that they belong in the article (which already has a number of such references), and that they can be inserted without making it unreadable, then why not do so? Instead you've simply edited out the statements that the references support. In what way exactly is that contrary to the Wikipedia citations that you give? I'll pass over in silence your failure to supply even one reference that would serve to counter-balance the many given in support of the claims. I'm still waiting, however, for your citations and references for the claim that reference works (not Wikipedia) that make such claims are in error, and that such claims are not acceptable in reputable works. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:02, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * As usual in our unfortunate communications, the answer is disturbingly obvious. Thinking back, our respective communications have indeed been an excersize in futility. If you truely think that citations are not required when an assertion is disputed, it is hard to imagine what field you might specialize in. Perhaps rhetoric, or critical theory? (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 21:09, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well I work in a field in which people don't 'dispute' statements for fun or out of blind prejudice, but for reasons which they're prepared to state (for example, by giving examples or counter-arguments). I work in a field where to respond to a complex and lengthy argument by saying 'It's obvious', and airily waving one's hand around, is considered boorish at best. I work in a field in which no-one would think of trying to intimidate me by pretending to a depth of knowledge and understanding that they patently lack (if only because they know damned well that I'd see through it).

Now, it may be that your tactics work on some editors; you might just as well forget it with me. Tutoring for twenty-odd years has taught me how to recognise a faker, if it's taught me nothing else (and I've had to deal with fakers who are a hell of a lot brighter and better trained at it than you are; the English Public-School system isn't particularly good at education, but it does turn out very well-polished and self-confident bull-shitters).

Still, I'm happy to go on with this exchange; it's providing a great deal of evidence of your approach and methods, both for me and for others. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:23, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The feeling is not mutual, you are the most fallacious person I can recollect having encountered, and I have no further time for you. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 23:28, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... what's a fallacious person? I can assure you that I exist; you don't have to worry about having your usual one-sided debates with an imaginary disputant (well, not on my account anyway) — though it's true that, looking at other encounters you've had, your disputants might as well be fallacious, given how little attention you pay to what they say. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:44, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Feel free to review my talk page and its archives, and see if your experience is typical. I assure you it is not. I apologize for any misunderstandings you may have had. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 23:55, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * It would indeed be rather difficult for someone to dig up examples of Sam paying no ignoring other editors and pressing on with the same tired old arguments on this talk page and its archives. But that is, in part, because Sam routinely deletes any such examples in an attempt to sanitize this page. It might be more beneficial, instead, to look through the history of the page and see just how often he engages in this pratice, but that would take a lot more time. Kev 04:42, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The Process is starting
Look at the message that AndyL wrote me:
 * There is no such hint. Creating another article under a different name for deleted material would be an attempt to cirumvent the VfD and would result in the new article being deleted and possibly in you being banned. Also, I'm certain that editors would start examining your other articles and start putting them up for deletion. AndyL 15:38, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

See, here is your cabal. They are going to gang up on me and start deleting my articles. Do you see these threats from editors. What Have I done? WHEELER 15:45, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, one thing you have done is aquired me as your advocate. I will do all I can to ensure you are not banned. These sorts of tactics are nothing new, and don't suprise me at all. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 15:55, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Anglo-Israelism
Hi,

Anglo-Israelism by definition claims an ancestry back to the lost tribes of Israel. How can that not be a claim of racial heritage through bloodlines?

Find me an example...

-Chip

 * I'm not saying thats not the case, I just felt the phrase

 * "However, there is a difference between claiming a racial lineage, and endorsing naked bigotry."

 * was a bit POV, so I replaced it w something less "intense". The word "bigotry" has purely negative connentations. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 13:26, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, sounds fair. I swapped British Israelism and Anglo-Israelism. Most scholars use British Israelism as you pointed out.--Cberlet 04:14, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

New Information
"Gordon S. Wood, and Joyce O. Appleby have since established a new paradigm which has restored the significance of Classical influence to the Revolutionary era. But Wood and Appleby add that the early national period witnessed a shift from Classical republicanism, which emphasized civic duty and social cohesion, to "liberalism" (or "modern republicanism") which stressed individual rights and the self-regulating marketplace." Founders and the Classics, Carl J. Richard, pg 3. HERE IT IS MODERN SCHOLARY RESEARCH SHOWING THAT THERE ARE TWO FORMS OF REPUBLICANISM.
 * I humbly ask that you vote "undelete" and restore my article please at Votes for undeletion and for more information please see Talk:Republic. WHEELER 19:12, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * OK. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 13:45, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What's the use
As to the knowledge and expertise of our infamous Dr. SimonP of Republican theory. Let me quote Machiavelli's TRUE definition:

 * Thus the sagacious legislators, knowing the vices of each of these systems of government, (i.e. speaking of monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy) by themselves, have chosen one that should partake of all of them, judging that to be the most stable and solid. In fact, when there is combined under the same constitution a prince, a nobility, and the power of the people, then these three powers will watch and keep each other reciprocally in check." "Discourses on Titus Livius" end of Book I chapter II, The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli, ed. by Robert M. Adams, pg 94.

 * "I think, then, that to found a republic which whould endure a long time it would be bewst to organize her internally like Sparta, or to locate her, like Venice, in some strong place". ibid, pg 97.WHEELER 16:05, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I quote from Machiavelli, and Mr. Simon P deletes this off the Talk:Republic page. I had to restore it. This information is so damaging to Mr. SimonP that he deleted it off the page. WHEELER 20:59, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That "Critical Theory Series" is a good article.WHEELER 19:16, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The games continue
Remember on Friday, I left you a message with more information and said they deleted it off the talk page. Keep that message!!! It seems that now someone has manipulated the page history of Talk:Republic to show otherwise. WHEELER 15:34, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I think he's right, it was probably a bug or caching problem, rather than manipulation by a developer. Occoms razor and so forth. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:34, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Your right I jumped the gun. I'll be more careful next time.WHEELER 19:13, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks for the welcome message! I've got a question for you. I was checking out the Recent Changes page, and I noticed that anonymous user 69.113.41.234 has changed the birthdates by 1 to 3 years in a number of articles (Jackson Browne, Paul Williams, Otis Williams, Linda McCartney, Eddie Kendricks, and Richie Sambora). In the cases where I've been able to look up the dates somewhere else, the new dates have been wrong. This looks like it might be a campaign of subtle vandalism, but since I can't look up all the dates I can't really tell whether the user is purposefully messing up the articles or just has some better source of information. I don't really want to do the work to track down these birthdates, though. Is there a Wikipedia page for sharing these kinds of things so that someone else can look into them? --MechanicallySeparatedChicken 22:55, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * If you can say for sure its vandalism, WP:ViP is the place to go. Outside of that... he could be right.. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 22:57, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I guess I'll leave it be, then, and if it actually is vandalism then someone else who knows more about musicians' birthdates will probably catch it sooner or later. --MechanicallySeparatedChicken 23:06, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

skinhead
hiya Sam, are you a skinhead? Your picture looks like one. And based on your edits you sure acts like one. We need more articulate and sensible people like you for our racialist cause and do away the stigma associated with it. 14!! 88!!

 * Actually no, I'm not. If your interested in my political opinions, see User:Sam Spade/Theoretical Biases, but I assure you I am not here to advocate any cause, other than factual accuracy and NPOV. In my personal experience, racism is inefficient, and racialism a poor method of determining the character of others. Additionally, as a Pantheist / panentheist, I see my immanant God within All, people, animals and objects of all sorts. Those who are nearer to God can be known by their fruits (as opposed to pigment or other racial features), such as the fruits of wisdom, altruism, and efficiency.

 * Because of my views, I will continue to insist upon NPOV here on the wikipedia, and strive to see all topics depicted in a fair and balanced manner, including those which are not Politically correct, as yours appear not to be. Would you like to form a user account? (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 13:56, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The games continue
Remember on Friday, I left you a message with more information and said they deleted it off the talk page. Keep that message!!! It seems that now someone has manipulated the page history of Talk:Republic to show otherwise. WHEELER 15:34, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I think he's right, it was probably a bug or caching problem, rather than manipulation by a developer. Occoms razor and so forth. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:34, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Your right I jumped the gun. I'll be more careful next time.WHEELER 19:13, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't wory about it. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 20:45, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks for the welcome message! I've got a question for you. I was checking out the Recent Changes page, and I noticed that anonymous user 69.113.41.234 has changed the birthdates by 1 to 3 years in a number of articles (Jackson Browne, Paul Williams, Otis Williams, Linda McCartney, Eddie Kendricks, and Richie Sambora). In the cases where I've been able to look up the dates somewhere else, the new dates have been wrong. This looks like it might be a campaign of subtle vandalism, but since I can't look up all the dates I can't really tell whether the user is purposefully messing up the articles or just has some better source of information. I don't really want to do the work to track down these birthdates, though. Is there a Wikipedia page for sharing these kinds of things so that someone else can look into them? --MechanicallySeparatedChicken 22:55, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * If you can say for sure its vandalism, WP:ViP is the place to go. Outside of that... he could be right.. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 22:57, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I guess I'll leave it be, then, and if it actually is vandalism then someone else who knows more about musicians' birthdates will probably catch it sooner or later. --MechanicallySeparatedChicken 23:06, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ged martin

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Carrp | Talk 20:34, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ged martin
Appears completely unnotable to me. Delete. Lupo 13:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. -R. fiend 16:09, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non notable vanity. Zzyzx11 18:54, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 03:19, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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This Wiki page is about e-Learning. Some items that are discussed here are Learning Objects, Learning Management Systems, and Assessment.

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Jim Sheridan (politician)

James Sheridan (24 November 1952 – 23 September 2022) was a British Labour Party politician who was Member of Parliament (MP) for Paisley and Renfrewshire North, formerly Renfrewshire West, from 2001 to 2015.

Early life
Sheridan was born in Glasgow and attended St Sixtus Primary School and St Pius Secondary School in Drumchapel (now the location of Drumchapel High School). Before entering politics he worked in shipyards from 1970 to 1978, then as a printer for the Paisley Daily Express from 1978 to 1984, then for Thales Optronics (formerly Barr and Stroud before 2001) in Glasgow, where he was a trade union convenor for the TGWU from 1984 to 2000. He also served on Renfrewshire Council from 1999 representing Erskine Central.

Parliamentary career
He was previously MP for Renfrewshire West from the 2001 election until the constituency was abolished in 2005. Sheridan was the promoter of the Bill which led to the Gangmasters (Licensing) Act 2004.

Following the 2005 election, he was appointed a Parliamentary Private Secretary in the Ministry of Defence. He resigned this post on 9 August 2006 in protest at the Government's policy on the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, particularly the permitting of aircraft carrying US weapons for Israel to refuel in the UK. He was a strong supporter of Speaker of the House Michael Martin, at the time of the second-home expenses scandal, for instance stating that Martin did not know about the expenses claims of MPs on Radio 4's Today programme (18 May 2009).

In November 2008, Sheridan tabled a Commons early day motion backing a Great Britain football team at the 2012 Olympics, saying football "should not be any different from other competing sports and our young talent should be allowed to show their skills on the world stage". The football governing bodies of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all opposed to a Great Britain team, fearing it would stop them competing as individual nations in future tournaments.

In February 2013, Sheridan voted against the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013, opposing the legalisation of same-sex marriage within England and Wales. The MP subsequently declined to vote during the bill’s third and final reading.

The Daily Telegraph reported in 2009 that the Labour MP claimed a 42-inch plasma TV costing £699.99, a leather bed, and thousands of pounds worth of other furniture through his parliamentary allowances. He defended his expenses as "authorised by the Fees Office and receipts were provided against all claims."

He was one of 16 signatories of an open letter to Ed Miliband in January 2015 calling on the party to commit to oppose further austerity, take rail franchises back into public ownership and strengthen collective bargaining arrangements.

Post-parliamentary career
In May 2017, Sheridan was elected as a councillor for a second time, representing the Labour Party for Houston, Crosslee and Linwood ward on Renfrewshire Council.

On 18 August 2018, he was suspended from the Labour Party on a charge of antisemitism, after posting the following on Facebook: "For almost all my adult life I have had the utmost respect and empathy for the Jewish community and their historic suffering. No longer due to what they and their Blairite plotters are doing to my party and the long suffering people of Britain who need a radical Labour government." He was reinstated in February 2019 but received a reminder of party conduct. He commented: "I remain of the view that my accusers were misguided and overreacted to what was intended to highlight my personal frustration and criticism of those intent on undermining our leadership in Scotland and the UK. I would also like to reiterate my sincere apologies to the Jewish community whose historic struggle I have supported all my political life.”

In June 2019, Sheridan was made deputy leader of Renfrewshire Council's Labour group. He endorsed Monica Lennon in the 2021 Scottish Labour leadership election.

Personal life and death
Sheridan lived in Erskine, Renfrewshire, with his wife Jean. They had a son and daughter.

Sheridan died following "a period of illness" on 23 September 2022, at the age of 69.

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Harley Orrin Staggers

Harley Orrin Staggers Sr. (August 3, 1907 – August 20, 1991) was an American politician who served 16 terms in the United States House of Representatives from 1949 to 1981, representing West Virginia's 2nd Congressional District as a Democrat. From 1966 until his retirement in 1981, Congressman Staggers chaired the powerful House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce (today the Committee on Energy and Commerce). A longtime supporter of the American railroad industry and its workers, Congressman Staggers' landmark legislative achievement was the Staggers Rail Act, passed in 1980.

Career
Staggers was born on August 3, 1907, in Keyser, Mineral County, West Virginia; he graduated from Emory and Henry College in 1931 and did graduate work at Duke University.

Staggers served as sheriff of Mineral County from 1937 to 1941. He served as a navigator in the U.S. Naval Air Corps during World War II. In 1948, Staggers was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, representing West Virginia's 2nd Congressional District. He was reelected to another 15 terms in the congress, serving until his retirement in 1981. For 16 years, from 1966 until his retirement, Staggers chaired the powerful House Committee on Foreign and Interstate Commerce (Energy and Commerce), the longest uninterrupted tenure of any chairman of that committee in its over 200-year history (Staggers' successor, John Dingell, served for 14 years from 1981 until 1995 and again from 2007 until 2009). He was a delegate to the Democratic National Convention from West Virginia in 1960. Staggers did not sign the 1956 Southern Manifesto, and voted in favor of the Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1960, 1964, and 1968, as well as the 24th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He died in Cumberland, Maryland on August 20, 1991.

First Amendment
On June 10, 1971, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Nixon Administration could not block The New York Times from publishing the Pentagon Papers. The next month, on July 12, 1971, Staggers ordered CBS News to hand over film not used in the documentary, Selling of the Pentagon.

According to Staggers this was the only way to know if the documentary had been accurately edited. The president of CBS News, Frank Stanton, said he would go to jail before complying with Staggers' subpoenas. The House supported Stanton and Staggers was forced to abandon his ultimatum.

In 1973, Staggers heard on the radio the John Lennon song "Working Class Hero" — which includes the lines "'Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" and "But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see" — on WGTB and lodged a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). The manager of the station, Ken Sleeman, faced a year in prison and a $10,000 fine, but defended his decision to play the song saying, "The People of Washington, DC are sophisticated enough to accept the occasional four-letter word in context, and not become sexually aroused, offended, or upset." The charges were dropped.

Illegal drugs in sports
On May 11, 1973, the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce which was chaired by Staggers issued a press release summarizing the results of an investigation that determined illegal drug use existed in all level of sports. The investigation also described the degree of use, including steroids and amphetamines, as alarming.

Legacy
In 1980, Congress passed legislation crafted by Congressman Staggers and other members of the Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee to carry out the deregulation of America's railroad industry. The Staggers Rail Act was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 14, 1980, and named in honor of Congressman Staggers in recognition of his many years of work on the part of railroad companies and their workers. By eliminating archaic regulations over the railroad industry, the bill allowed rail companies to enter into contracts with shippers and set their own prices without Interstate Commerce Commission approval. The Staggers Rail Act is viewed as having a significant role in strengthening the American railroad industry as well as improving safety.

A Federal Court and Post Office building in Morgantown, West Virginia as well as a portion of Water Street in his hometown of Keyser, West Virginia, are named in honor of Congressman Staggers.

Children
Staggers's daughter Mary Kaye Staggers was a professor at Potomac State College and is a member of the West Virginia Democratic Executive Committee. His sons, Harley O. Staggers Jr. and Daniel C. Staggers, practice law in Keyser, West Virginia. Harley Jr. was also a member of the United States House of Representatives, representing West Virginia's 2nd congressional district from 1983 to 1993. His daughter Margaret Anne "Peggy" Staggers, a resident of Fayetteville, West Virginia, has been a member of the West Virginia House of Delegates since 2006. Daughter Susan owned and managed two successful local businesses in Keyser until her and her husband's retirement. His daughter Ellen resides in Morgantown.

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Nice picture, but surely it is copyrighted? Notinasnaid 13:38, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The first FIRE engine has a 769 cm3 displacement and was applied on the Panda 750 Fire model.

Are the T-Jet/StarJet engines not GM Ecotec units rather than FIRE units? --89.101.141.253 (talk) 15:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey Guys, the 769cc engine has a stroke of 58 mm, please change this :-) Bit funny thinking of a Fiat Engine with a long stroke like a Austin Mini 1100... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.226.18.243 (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The Opel Cars have the 1.229 cc 16V Ecotec TwinPort engine with 86 HP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_0_engine TwinPort)

The Fiat 1.2 Fire 16V is a 1.242 cc with max 80 HP. --Corvettec6r (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC) The 1.2 16V Fire production end in 2009 with Idea replaced by the new 1.4 8V Fire Euro 5...

 * 1) No FIRE engine has ever been called JTB, not even internally. The only engine which has JTB as an internal denomination is the 1750 TBI engine. JTB Stands for Jet-thrust Turbo Benzina, which is a variation on the older Jet Thrust Stoichiometric acronym used on the 1970cc direct injection Pratola Serra Famiglia B engine, and on the GM-derived direct-injection units used on the 939/946 family of cars. In other words, JTB was an internal denomination to identify an engine with both direct injection and turbocharging. It was never used as an official denomination, which was changed to TBI, which stands for Turbo Benzina Iniezione (Turbo Petrol Injection). Therefore, associating it to FIRE engines is incorrect.
 * 2) The 1242cc 8v SMPI engine without VVT went out of production in 2009, last usage was on the Fiat Idea. From 2007 onwards (first applied on the Fiat 500), Fiat uses an Euro5 version of the 1242cc 8v, which has VVT. I quote from the Fiat 500 launch press pack: "Fluid dynamic optimisation achieved by a new high turbulence combustion chamber combined with a continuous variable cam phaser."
 * 3) Starjet is a term which specifically identifies the 1368cc 16v unit with both PDA and VVT, and not 1368cc engines in general. Quote: "the new 95 bhp 1.4 16v Starjet (EURO 4) applies three technologies at the same time for the first time in the world. It adopts a variable swirl combustion chamber system based on an intake manifold with phased Doppler anemometry (PDA), combined with variable valve timing (VVT) controlled by the injection control unit." . There is no 8v Starjet either.
 * 4) Fiat PR has never stated that all Punto engines have PDA. And as I pointed out, the two engines I marked as having VVT do have VVT.

--Aprovera (talk) 21:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

1368cc 8v VVT
Upon further research, I found out that there's a 1368cc 8v engine with VVT. The first mention I found from official sources is from 2005, so I put 2005 as start of production. Please note that at this point I'm not even sure there ever was a 1368cc 8v without VVT, as I couldn't find 1.4 8v engines mentioned at all before 2005. For instance, Wiki says that the Fiat Idea used the 1.4 8v engine from 2003, but the Fiat press site doesn't agree. I'm leaving the non-VVT version in the article, though, since I'm not 100% sure about it.

--Aprovera (talk) 09:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Symbols that are both country codes and chemical symbols

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Carrp | Talk 18:31, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Symbols that are both country codes and chemical symbols
This is an interesting article which someone has obviously put a lot of work into, but I'm not sure it's really encyclopedic. I would be happy not to delete it if someone could suggest how it could be of some use. Cadr 13:40, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I entirely don't see the point of this. It may be merged as a series of footnotes to country codes or chemical symbols, if someone really wants to do that. But since the two are very unrelated, delete. Radiant! 13:52, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I am the author and I want to keep this in Wikipedia.   — J I P | Talk 13:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * That isn't really a valid reason...--InShaneee 16:49, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought so. But it was worth a try anyway.   — J I P | Talk 17:06, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it's unusual...but I have trouble seeing how this is potentially useful, or why someone would be looking for this information. How is this more helpful than List of prime numbers that are invalid North American telephone numbers, for example? Delete, unless a use for this list is suggested. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 14:55, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Concur with TenOfAllTrades on all counts. --InShaneee 15:34, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trivia.   --BM 16:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Another one in the same category as Square root of three ratio geometric sequence timeline. Phils 17:03, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Apologies to JIP who made this, but I can't imagine this info having any use besides mere trivia... and not even the fun/interesting kind of trivia either. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 17:18, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, they really have nothing to do with each other. DaveTheRed 17:20, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Irelevant non-connection. Trivia. Drivel. Average Earthman 17:59, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is utterly unconnected and coincidental; there is no relationship being described.  What is there to say about the fact that "Belgium" and "Beryllium" both are abbreviated as "Be"?  What does that say about either one?  I can't even fathom why this was created.  Postdlf 18:20, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. JIP, I'm sure you put your time and effort on this article. But remember: you always have to think about how useful the article will be for the reader. Zzyzx11 19:00, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. If they were kind of connected, I could see the logic...but I've yet to see a chemical formula which uses country codes... Nick04 19:22, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * This tells us nothing that the articles in Category:Lists of two-letter combinations don't already tell us. And those articles tell us a lot more besides.  (For example: NO tells us that it's a country code, a chemical symbol, a word, a compound, an album ...)  There's no need for a list to duplicate a category that is already populated, even without taking the rather bizarre juxtaposition into account. Delete. Uncle G 21:05, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC)
 * Delete. Useless non-encyclopedic trivia. Binadot 22:41, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I actually found this kind of interesting, but the information is already there in the individual two letter acronym disambiguation pages such as Pa and Ag.  --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:46, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is well-researched trivia but still trivia. Sorry. Sjakkalle 09:15, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Would it be OK for JIP to move this to "User" space? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:43, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm still new at this so I am not sure how to do it though.   — J I P | Talk 09:58, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * (If people don't consider the page to be objectionable in user space) all you need to do is use the move function to move it to User:JIP/whatever. Then the deletion will just take out the redirect. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:53, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Moved. Feel free to delete the original article, its contents are safe within my user space. I think.   — J I P | Talk 18:07, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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WSR

WSR may refer to:

 * Warren and Saline River Railroad in Arkansas, United States
 * Water speed record
 * Weather surveillance radar
 * West Somerset Railway in England
 * West Surrey Racing, a UK-based motorsport team
 * West Sussex Railway in England
 * Wii Sports Resort, a 2009 sports video game developed and published by Nintendo
 * Wild and Scenic River, a federal lands designation in the United States
 * Woodsmoor railway station (UK railway station code WSR)
 * World Series by Renault
 * Waist-to-stature ratio
 * Windows Speech Recognition — a speech recognition component introduced in Windows Vista

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Kallidaikurichi

Kallidaikurichi or Kalladaikurichi is a town on the right bank of the Thamiraparani river in Ambasamudram Taluk of Tirunelveli district in Tamil Nadu, a southern state of India.

Etymology
'Kal + idai + kurichi' meaning exactly in Tamil, a village in the midst of hills. (In Sanskrit it has been translated in the 'Bhojanadi' (an astrological treatise) as 'Shilaa - madhya - Hariswam'. In the Thamrabarani Mahatmya of the Matsya Purama, it has been translated as 'Shila - Shalipuram').

Thamiraparni River
The Thamiraparni river flows through Kallidaikurichi. Originating from the Pothigai nearby, it flows down to Bay of Bengal after traveling for about 125 kilometers. In the hills are a number of waterfalls, such as Courtallam Falls, Banatheertham Falls, Agasthiar Falls, and Manimuthar Falls.

Climate
Like most parts of Tamil Nadu, the climate here is rather hot, except during the rainy season of the November/December months. During summer strong gusty winds are frequent.

Flora and Fauna
This southern end of the Western Ghats, is full of flora and fauna. Kalakkad Mundanthurai Range is a wild life park under Project Tiger.

Population
India census, Kalladaikurichi had a population of 25,710. Males constitute 49% of the population and females 51%. Kalladaikurichi has an average literacy rate of 78%, higher than the national average of 59.5%: male literacy is 86%, and female literacy is 71%. In Kalladaikurichi, 9% of the population is under 6 years of age.

Subdivisions
Kallidaikurichi seems to have had the following subdivisions - Madakkurichi, Velankurichi, Cherakumaran and Kallidaikurichi.

Economy
Kallidaikurichi and appalam, murukku are almost synonymous. Appalam making is a major cottage industry here. It is nationally known for its quality and taste and is sent almost all over India.

Agriculture
Rice is the main crop here. Other crops are groundnut (peanuts), chilies (red pepper) and cotton, though these are seen less frequently nowadays. The tea plantations are operated by the Bombay Burmah Trading Corporation Ltd on forest lands leased by the government of Tamil Nadu. There are three tea estates within the Manjolai area.

Temples
Kallidaikurichi's Hindu shrines have high-rise gopurams.
 * Sri Aadhivaraha perumal Temple
 * Velakurichi Adheenam
 * Thiruvavaduthurai Adheenam
 * Sri Kumarar koil
 * Sri Manenthiappar Temple
 * Sri Pagazhikuththar Temple
 * Sri Kulasekaramudayar Temple

Idol theft
A 16th century bronze Nataraja idol, along with 3 other idols were stolen from the Kulasekaramudayar Temple in 1982. The Idol Wing of the Criminal Investigation Department Department (IW-CID) has traced the Nataraja idol to the Art Gallery of South Australia museum in Australia. The idol was successfully repatriated to the temple in 2019.

Music and films
Muthuswami Dikshitar, the carnatic composer, whose songs abound with geographic and iconographic references, sings of the curative properties of the river Thamiraparani.

By Air
Nearby airports are Tuticorin Domestic Airport in Tamil Nadu, about 90 km away; and Trivandrum International Airport in Kerala, about 145 km away.Madurai International Airport 170 km.

Rail
Kallidaikurichi railway station is easily reachable to Tirunelveli, Tenkasi, Sengottai.

By Road
This town is located about 70 km north of Kanyakumari (Cape Comerin). The twin cities of Tirunelveli and Palayamkottai are about 35 km away.

Education
One of the educational institutions here was established over 160 years ago. Originally called the George IV English Middle School, it was later renamed the Tilak Vidyalaya after the independence of India.

Lakshmipathi Middle School, Kallidaikurichi was launched in 1939 under the legacy of the late headmaster A Ramalingam. Its students are renowned for their high positions and have a global presence. This school's primary medium of instruction is Tamil and the student teacher ratio is 33:1. The school tries to provide best learning environment.

The school provides education to students from class 1 to 8. This school's student strength is approximately 302. 525 books are there in the library of this school.

The school has given exceptional results in the academic sphere and its students have excelled in extra co-curricular activities. The percentage of students passing the exam is 100% with 78% scoring first grade.

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Talk:Syriacs/Archive 1

This is getting all a bit too messy! As this is an English-language encyclopedia, I've changed Suryoyo to a redirect to Syriacs. For the time being, here are the contents of that page: Suryoyo (ܣܘܪܝܝܐ) means Syriac, the language, and Syriac, the identity). It is derived from the Greek name for Aram, and based on the name for Assyria. The plural form is Suryoye (Syriacs). Modern Suryoye are traditionally Christian. Suryoye identify themselves as Assyrians and Arameans.

The Syriac Orthodox Church use the term Suryoyo offically.

Other forms of Suryoyo are Suryaya, Suroyo and Suraya. I'll try and work in some of this material somewhere. Gareth Hughes 13:52, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Merge
I'm not sure that merging this article with Assyrian people (talk · [ history] · [ watch]) is such a good idea: there's a lot of political baggage attached to both terms. I tend to prefer Syriacs because it refers to those who have the Syriac language as their heritage. Assyrian is probably the more political term; it is associated with political nationalism. --Gareth Hughes 23:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Garzo, I would prefer integrating information from the Arameans and Assyrian people articles into this Syriacs article. --Benne 23:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that syriac should be used as umbrella for the other names as aramean,assyrian,chaldeans and so on. Due to the fact that syriac is more accurate throughout the history and the other names are more political. Suryoyo 00:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Khoi Khoi
I don't get it. Why are you reverting the page. I spruced it up to a much higher standard.

 * Ask User:Benne. --Khoikhoi 19:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Benne
What's with you reverting my revision? I cleaned it up to a higher standard.
 * I'm not so sure about that ... --Benne 20:10, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Suryoyo does not mean "Assyrian" (check your Syriac dictionary), it simply means "Syrian"
 * It is true that many Syriacs now speak the languages of their (former) host countries, but Aramaic is still used quite extensively, also in the diaspora.
 * There are various Syriac Protestant denominations, in Turkey, Iran, Europe. They are also part of Syriac Christianity. --Benne 20:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Check my dictionary? That's funny. Lemme check my head.

And please for love of God, if a person is responisble for article of "syriacs" in wikipedian. then I would presume that they know the difference between suroyo and suryoyo. suroyo is a syriac word for a christian, and suryoyo is an identifier for a people that is the suryoyo people. suryoyo -> syrian, currently used by arabs syria/syrian, wheras the change to syriac/syriacs. that is Syriac is an identity of a people and a pretty natural name for all political names as assyrian, aramean, chaldean... By the way if you would by any chance think that christian is in syriac mshehoyo then you have mistaken, due to that there are severeal words in syriac that mean the same thing but with slightly differente attributes, as is for the word muslim in syriac tayyo, and mushlimoyo, same thing but with differente attributes, Im not going to explain the differences here in this forum Suryoyo 12:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Help!
Someone help me out with the Assyrian cuisine article I created!!!

Syria, Assyria
Syria was the Greek name for Aram which was never independant of Assyria until the collapse of the empire. It was later incorporated into other Empires.

Read the article before you decide to revert it again.
I corrected anything conlficting with your views.

Suraya
Benne,

I don't know if you are Syriac. In Sureth (Syriac), a Suraya is an Christian speaker of Aramaic. It was a self designation to distinguish ones self fromt the Pagan (Kapore) Arameans durring the advent of Christianity.

merge all syriacs
I would like to work on the merging of the assyrians/arameans/chaldeans/maronites, I belive that they all should be under the umbrella name syriacs. The list of language, people, culture should be merged into one category syriacs.

One example is the kingdoms of palmyra, edessa, petra, hatra, the mardaites (so called isaurians) all of these should be under the syriac name, due to the fact that syriacs are the name that is used throughout history about 2300 years. Eventhough some may say that the real name is syrian, it dont mind using the term syrians, but then we must alter the name of the current state to its original name in the wikipedia. And that is Arabs/arab and the current syrian state to be called arab-syrian. due to the fact that in the syrian legislation it is said that the country is the arab syrian republic.

Suryoyo 01:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

maronites are syriacs!
Hi all

I want you all to see the progress that is made within the syriac community,

the link I give you is a letter from a Maronite who states that maronites are ethnically syriacs not arabs. http://www.chaldeansonline.net/news/news0420.html

Suryoyo 23:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This is a blatant lie: the letter states very clearly that the purpose of letting people choose the "Syriac" ethnic identity in the U.S. census is that the "Lebanese" choice means being categorized as "Arab", which meant that "any federal monies which were available for educational and social services went to the ethnic Arab community at large". This has nothing to do with any "Syriac ethnic identity", this is just a fraud to "qualify for some financial assistance for our educational and social programs". Just as if you told people that if they wear a red hat in the street they get a chance to be selected for an all-inclusive 7 days trip to Hawaii... --Pylambert 15:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Maronites are Syriacs
But don't list categories that don't exist.

Maronites and Melkites
Lebanese Christians are Syriacs. Remember the story of Jesus and the Syro-Phoenician woman and her daughter.

Categorisation (reply to User:12.15.7.70)
You are right, Assyrians and Chaldeans are Syriacs. That's why I placed Assyrian people, Chaldeans, and Category:Chaldeans in Category:Syriacs, instead of the other way round. Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 22:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Stubs related to Syriacs
I added Template:ethno-stub to the article. Wouldn't it be nice to create a separate stub category for articles related to the Syriac people? ---Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 10:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved from article
I have removed the links below from the article. They are in desparate need of a context, to make the connection to the article obvious. For now, I'll leave them here. ---Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 20:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Empires

 * Aramea
 * Assyria
 * Babylon

Civilisations

 * Aramean
 * Amorite
 * Akkadians
 * Assyrian
 * Babylonian

Kingdoms in late antiquity

 * Petra
 * Tadmor
 * Osroene
 * Hatra

Last Stronghold
Mardaites

Our Future Nation
Assyria is our nation. Syriac Aramaic is our Language. Christianity is our Religion! These are the facts. Aram/Syria was never independant of Assyria, after the fall of Nineveh and eventually the fall of Babylon it was incorporated into Greco-Roman Empires. Even Phoenecia/Canaan eventually became an Assyrian colony. The inhabitants were deported to Nineveh and Babylon and merged into Assyrian culture. That is the fact. --- kurds never have had a country, I would appreciate if you could change that benne, and for the idea of an future state is the syriac nation in beth nahrin Michael 23:45, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

problem of factual accuracy and of manipulation
For a few weeks some activists, including under the pretence of sociology, have ben busy replacing every ocurrence of "Assyrian(s)", by "Syriac(s)" and letting unaware people believe that "Syriacs" is the "neutral" common denomination for several religious communities and/or ethnic groups, varying from the Syriac orthodox and Catholic churches and the Assyrian/"Nestorian" and Chaldean churches to the same plus Maronites, and even Melkites. It should be stressed here that various Aramaic/Syriac languages and dialects were dominant in the "Fertile Crescent" till the Arab/Islamic conquest/invasion of the region, and even some centuries afterwards there were probably still spoken by many people (including some Maronites and other inhabitants of present-day Lebanon and West Syria up to the XVIIIth century). But it should equally be stressed that ethnic and national identities, particularly in the Post-Ottoman states, are not primarily based on the spoken (or past-spoken) languages, they're rather based on a mix with a predominance of religious ("sectarian") affiliation. The use of "Assyrian" as an ethnonational denomination for the only "Syriacs" (orthodox or catholic) and "Assyro-Chaldeans" (orthodox or catholic) is not so much an ideological choice as a convenience because all these groups usually refer to themselves with various local or religious ethnonyms, just as e.g. many small Serbian-Croatian-speaking ethnic groups in the Balkans, be they catholic, orthodox or muslim (Torbesh, Goranis, etc.). The use of "Syriacs" is however exclusively referring to the members of the Syriac orthodox (and maybe catholic) church, never to the whole array of ethnoreligious communities, whereas "Assyrians" is at least accepted by a lot of members of all these communities, even if not by all members nor by the clergy for instance. I think this disinformation campaign with extensive renaming, and including other ethnoreligious groups under the same "Syriacs" umbrella, should be stopped as soon as possible, it undermines the credibility of wikipedia. --Pylambert 16:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The problem with people like you is that they dont have any idea of the course of history, I dont think that you even have any insight about the Syriacs. The problem with people like you is that you read popular fact books and build up an historical image of the world based on them. The thing is that those books dont provide any information about the issues that arent popular. Those book always follow the mainstream so that book sells. Real historical books and documents arent from one source. I would appreciate for the sake of the future of wikipedia that persons like you and who have those ideas never becomes admins. It is people like you that wikipedia becomes a propoganda tool rather than an objective encyclopedia with no ties to political parties.

I can say that after beeing active for about 2 month I realize that it is actually useless to have to listen to garbage from people like you, who have no historical accuracy but only political reasons to try to manipulate wikipedia.

best wishes Michael 17:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I wonder who is making propaganda when on your user page you list yourself in the Category:Supporters of Assyrian independence and "against a Kurdish state". I think people like you and other nationalists shouldn't be allowed to take part in a project like wikipedia: you only come here to insert propaganda and disinformation into articles about the Middle East, just like your Grey Wolves or Chetnik counterparts on articles about Turkey or the Balkans. Besides, I realize more and more than even some admins begin to be tired of intervening in disputes created by modifications from nationalists from one side or another. One last thing, my readings on these subjects are exclusively of a scientific nature, including some by Eden Naby, Joseph Yacoub, Benjamin Braude, Bernard Lewis, Laurent Chabry, Leonard Biegel, Robert Montagne, Pierre Rondot etc. etc. --Pylambert 20:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

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Hi, Again I love my nation and I dont tink that kurds should have a nation due to historical reasons. Now, why do people get so angry when others dont think like them? that is the big problem, fanatism. I may not agree with the kurdish vision of a sate but I dont work agains tem, they may work and make their articles as they wish and those who are intersted can discuss what is right and wrong in the kurdish articles. I dont see the problem of beeing pro assyrian state and not pro to a kurdish state. Dont I have the right to think that? your maby you guys cant accept that there are other ideas than yours. From my point of view I dont think that kurds should have a kurdish state due to the simple fact that parts of the so called state is actually bethnahrin. or as many of you call assyria, (i dont really care). As long as they proclaim my land I obliged to be against them, same goes for the currently occupation of the "modern" states iraq/syria/lebanon and so on. Im not in a political party, nor am I in any activity for persuting a independence. Im just claiming my rights. Assyria is my country not turkish,kurdish or arab. You pylambert and sargonius in other hands are political and talk about working with kurds and so on for future assyrian and so on. Now how is the political person here? Im full aware that on the current kurdification that have been occuring in northern iraq this last 2 decays, but never thougt that have gone to this extent.

And about the maronites, melkites. please stop reading pro arab books and come down to earth. If you arent aware of the arabification of the syriacs and other minoritys then you shouldnt even come near the articles about syriacs or kurds. because you have much to learn.

As I said before, good luck with wikipedia. And you guys will probably get it as you want. why not start to change it now, all to Assyria/Assyrian/Assyrians instead of syriacs and remove melkites, maronites and so on due to the reason that you seem to have such knowledge to make these changes. maby you can revert it to the time when the article said that syriacs are a syriac speaking group. And even if you will do that, the truth wont change, you are radicals and fanatics trying to make wikipedia a political tool for you amitions.

feel free to do so.

Michael 10:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Monsieur Lambert,

It's saddening that you continue to label people as "nationalists", "activists", and the like, without any reason.

There should be no room for this kind of degrading behaviour on Wikipedia. We ought to discuss by exchanging arguments rather than by engaging in personal attacks. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 12:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Failed Nation
Sargon T. Y.

First of all Suryoyo/Michael. It's Beth Nahrain. Even in Syriac it's two words, why do you make it one in English. Your mispelling redirects to the correct form. Second of all why are you against Kurdish Indpendence? You think you're better than them? How do you support Assyrian Independence and also Beth Nahrain? Beth Nahrain is a region between the Tigris and the Euphrates, never was a country. No one's better than anyone. Why should we get a country and not the Kurds. First of all they outnumber us. Good luck aranging that. That is no way to win anyone's support. The only thing one can do is try to undo the injustices of the past and try to prevent them in the future. People like you are one of the reasons we have no nation. No Beth Nahrain, No Assyria, and No Aram. Syria has become Arabized to the point of no return as has Lebanon. You're such a propenent of Syriacism. Syriac means Assyrian, why don't you call yourself Aramean. That was "Aram." Aram was NEVER a country or empire. It was always a dominion of some great empire. It simply meant "Highland." It was another name for Assyria (Ashur). Yes the inhabitants may have originally been Aramean but they were Assyrianized just as most "Syriacs" have been Arabized. But everyone wanted to be Assyro-Babylonian. That was the New York/Rome/London of the Ancient World. Just as people become Americanized in America totally losing touch with their ancient herritage so did the ancient world. Nationality/Ethnicity/Religion is ultimately superficial. It can be changed at anytime. Fighting amongst these different names does no one any gain. We should simply unite as Indegenous Middle Eastern or Southwest Asian Christians so as to incorporate a wider demographic such as non semetic Christians like the Egyptians and Ethiopians. Power is in numbers.

--- Dear friend, eventhough your amitions are high by in first hand giving your land to those who killed you forfathers and now proclaiming your land, and you say that it is for the sake of the independence of your own pepole. I dont see how, arabs have ruled the land now for about 70 (modern states), how much did you get from them, and how much do you think you will get from the kurds? have you now insight about the kurdish agenda? do you not see that when kurds dont allow assyrians to vote in the iraq elections, dont you see that as a voilation. yes it is you friend kurds who do this, do you think that they would even think about letting you have a independent state if they are neighburs with you. they couldnt be frendly neighburs when they didnt have a country. Actually im thinking of starting a new box that says against dangerous ideology like yours.

Michael 10:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

European Syriac Union
Please check out the Final Declaration of the foundation convention of the European Syriac Union, representing the following organisations:
 * 1) Syrianska-Assyriska Riksförbundet i Sverige
 * 2) Renyo Hiro Magazine (Sweden)
 * 3) Union of the Syriac Associations in Switzerland
 * 4) Union of the Assyrian-Syriac Associations in Germany
 * 5) Bethnahrin Information Bureau in the Netherlands
 * 6) Institut Mésopotamie de Bruxelles
 * 7) Centre de Peuple de Mésopotamie
 * 8) Assyrian-Syriac Culture Club of Vienna
 * 9) Assyrian-Chaldean-Syriac Union (ACSU)
 * 10) Union of the Free Women of Bethnahrin (HNHB)
 * 11) Union of the Youth of Mesopotamia (HCB)

--Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 18:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Benne, I dont know what you dont see. I am really trying hard not to inslut you, but are you blind? You can clearly see from what you have provided that the term "Syriac" is something that is used to POLITICALLY unit all of the Christians from Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon in despora. Syriac is not a ethnicity, stop trying to make it one all of the sudden. The term is almost never used in Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc. Chaldean 03:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Chaldean, I know you may feel frustrated at times, but Wikipedia has a no personal attacks policy. Try to stay calm. --Khoikhoi 03:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I am trying by best, but I dont understand this guys motives. Do we need to always remind ourselfs what is Wikipedia? It is not a place to promote your interest. It is a place to just state what things are, and thats it. Chaldean 03:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi everyone, I actually tried to stay away from wikipedia due to these resons, people are so tightend up and have no arguments but only slanders, they dont fit here in wikipedia. Again wikipedia is free encyclopedia that allows anyone to make an effort. Why get so angry. Debate and make arguments instead. For the syriac article, please chaldean what makes you believe that the political term assyrian or aramean or chaldean can be traced to an ethnic term (ancient assyrians/arameans/chaldeans)? is it becuse you can trace it back to a date before the group called them self suryoyo/suryoye?
 * the idea of an pure ethnicity that subdued other ethnicites that didnt change under several thousands of years and that the people only used on term example "Assyrian" or "Aramean" is not scientificly correct. Due to the fact that the usage of the terms assyrian or aramean or chaldean explicit as an ethnic term on themselves has not existed before 1800 [nationalism]. These modern attempts are nothing more then political attempts to create an illusion of a state with an attempt to connect themselves with a singel ethnic group . The term syriac/syrian(suryoyo) [without disscussing origin of the term] has been used by others and by the group itself for about 2400years.
 * I think that one can state that syriac/syrian(suryoyo) is an ethnic group, that have ethnic roots from the syro-mesopotamian plains with syro-mesopotamian culture.

 * and if you are thinking of claiming that syrian->assyrian, then you are partially wrong. because im talking about the term syrian/syriac(suryoyo) as a spoken word and with its attributes and values, not as a word that is originally derived from the word assyrian(with values, origins of assyrian idelology) and wich later was transformed to syrian.

 * anyhow, my main consern isnt the name issue but that the article is currently beeing disputed, wich again shows how my people isnt united and that we probably never have a free state of our own. but never give up the hope.

 * I hope that people understand that syriac/syrian isnt wrong but rather a unifying name from the maronites-melkites to the assyrians-chaldeans

 * best wishes,
 * Michael 00:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

"I hope that people understand that syriac/syrian isnt wrong but rather a unifying name from the maronites-melkites to the assyrians-chaldeans " But you said Syriac is a ethnic group? I fully agree with what you just said; Syriac is used to unify the maronites/assyrians/chaldeans, but in diaspora. This term is not used in politics to unite any group, rather this new term of Chaldoassyrian, is what is used now in Iraq. Chaldean 01:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

 * wikipedia doesnt favour political ideology. and please iraqi designation of assyriochaldean isnt accepted by the political groups. only by few organizations, but far from all of them. Im saying that syriac should be viewd as an ethnic designation and should be used in the politics due to that it is uniting and more political correct especcially in these days.

Michael 09:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Your simply wrong. You are aware that Iraq has decided on its first census, for the ethnic section, it will have "Chaldoassyrians" right? Chaldean 01:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I've devised a Romanized Assyrian Alphabet.
User_talk:Sargonious

You could translate directly from Syriac script with ease.

eg. Marun Jšui Mšjxa mere:

O d'la etle xţjta maxe/patel kepa qamaja.

Sj maxa Catana!

Alahj, Alahj, La ma šabaqt anj?

Sargonious

Dispute
What's disputed?

Prove that majority calls themselves "Assyrians"!
There is --as far as I know-- no reliable evidence that the majority of the Suryoye/Suryaye call themselves "Assyrians", as was stated in a previous version. Provide with some evidence please! --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 00:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The majority of Christians in Iraq are now Chaldeans. In the last election, all these Chaldean villages (95% of every village) voted for the party Assyrian Democratic Movement - and  and We all know Iran's Chaldeans consider themself Assyrian. A big population of Assyrian orthodox in Syria. And that is pretty much the majority. What more do you want? What is your goal? Why are you trying to separate us from our history?

Chaldean 01:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

please answers bennes question, prove that the suryoyo people calls themselves assyrians, what the iraqi suryoye call themsleves cannot be applied to the whole population. Actually that is the biggest problems with iraqis they have a very narrowed sight about the suryoyo people. and by you stating that 95% voted for assyrian party is a lie, we know that many of them support the kurds and voted for kurdish parties and and we also know that the so called "chaldeans" didnt even get to vote in northern iraq because of the kurds. It is wrong to think that assyrian ideology is based in iraq, the assyrianists consider as far as maronites as their people. [not nestorian assyrians but orthodox assyrians]. the problem with assyrians is that they arent united within, there are several political camps and many of the arent even working togeather, some of them work with the kurds agains their own people. And for you to answer benne correctly then you must have some sort of information about what the suryoyo people calles it self in syria, lebanon,turkey. And ofcourse in the diaspora. and again dont apply church denomition [syrian, chaldean,assyrian church] as a name for the whole people. Again I would appreciate if someone could give a solid answer and not just fictional replys.

best regards Michael 10:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Micheal, wikipedia is not a place to try to unite your people. I suggest websites with forums to do that. In the end, you and I are ethnically Assyrian, no matter what we want to call ourself. Have a good day. Our people have always been Assyrian. Our nation has always been Assyrian. Its really a shame that some have forgotten this. Chaldean 02:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, you like your friends you have showed how radical you think, there is other ideologies than your assyrianism. please accept it... the people is united, your attempts here is not doing any good. I would suggest that we seperate syriacs from assyrians, until people like chaldean and plymbert arent active. because they have changed everything here to assyrian, as if they "assyrianism" is applyable for the whole group. Assyrians[mostly nestorians] or chaldeans[chatolics] arent the only group here. so please show some respect to other ideas.Michael 00:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * "because they have changed everything here to assyrian" because it was the RIGHT thing to do. Wikipedia has gotten this topic horibly wrong, because of a couple people that began this project. It is ONE group, ONE ethnicity, with MULTIPLE names - kinda like the Greeks, where they are sometimes also called Romioi or even Hellenic Chaldean 03:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Garzo, it is true
"revert: indigenous to whom? It does not mean 'Christian' in anything but a far from literal interpretation" Dont know if you know this, but the word for Christian in our langauge is Suraya Chaldean 02:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I am Christian: am I Suraya? --Gareth Hughes 15:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok, good point, but let me give you an example; I have sitting at a basketball game the other day, and I asked my mother, "awa tama suraya elee?" - Is that guy Christian. But of course what I meant was, was he one of our people - as in Assyrian. This is how this term is primery used; Christian of our people. So what I have should said is, suraya means Chrisitan of our area (middle east.) I dont know if I just confused you or not. But back home, we don't know of other Christians other then us. We never talked about Christians of Europe or America. If we ever did, yes, we would say Suraya for Christian. But since, we only know of our world, we use the term Suraya for Christian. I apologise if that wasnt clear :) Chaldean 00:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * And one more thing I wanted to say is that, honestly, we don't have another word for Christian in our language other then Suraya. If their is, I and every other Assyrian I knon that speaks the languages, has never used/heard of another word for it Chaldean 02:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Reason for revert
Chaldean, I know you're going to get mad at me for this, but let me explain myself.

According to this article, the Syriacs includes the Arameans, Assyrians/Chaldeans AND the Maronites. Just redirecting this page into one of these groups would be inaccurate. I disagree with Benne going around changing all references to Assyrians with Syriacs, but I think that this article deserves to exist, despite what Pylambert says. --Khoikhoi 03:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with you, that this page should stay as its own, but I would like to have a small section in the Assyrian page, and also saying "for complete article of Syriacs, go here" kind of a thing Chaldean 03:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh and I just realized that you replied to me because of what I wrote about what does Suraya means. I didn't just wrote, hoping to merge this with Assyirans, but I was just trying to tell Garzo that what that guy with the IP wrote is true; as in the word of Christian in our langauge is Suraya. Chaldean 03:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * See Assyrian people now. What do you think? Should we remove Syriacs from the infobox on the right now? --Khoikhoi 03:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * This is a hard choice, that I cannot make on my own. You bring up a good point. Lets see what others say. Chaldean 03:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh and by the way, this is what I wrote 4 days ago in the Assyrian genocide page :} " And articles Syriacs, Chaldeans and even Assyro-Chaldeans could also be merged with Assyrian people." I agree with you on this, with the exception of the Syriac page Chaldean 04:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I personally would like to see Syriac be merged with Syriac Christianity - under either title, but would like to see Syriacs. Chaldean 04:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I see. I don't get why Pylambert said that Benne made up the Syriacs term. I just don't see how that could be true. --Khoikhoi 04:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * And by the way, the reason I said it was a hard choice, is because Suraya is a term used mostly by Chaldeans and Assyrians. Remember, Suraya is not that often used in Lebanon. Only exiled Meronites, who dont like to be called arabs. Chaldean 04:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Interesting. Oh, by the way, Sargonious/King Legit reverted my edit . I reverted back. --Khoikhoi 04:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Of course I don't agree with the revert of Khoikhoi who seems to believe Benne's and Michael("Suryoyo")'s assertions that Maronites and Melkites are "Syriacs", which is totally fantasist: they are 100% arabized since the XVIIth-XVIIIth century and even if a few present-day Maronites (but no Melkite) claim non-Arab ethnic ancestries (mostly Phoenician or Mardaite), an eminent Maronite (converted to Protestantism) scholar, Butrus al-Bustani, was one of the main initiators of the Arab cultural revival in the XIXth century, an Orthodox Melkite teacher, Michel Aflaq, was one of the three founders and ideologue of the Ba'th party in the 1940s, Nayef Hawatmeh and George Habash, both Palestinian or Jordanian Melkite Orthodox, have been the founders of two left-wing (Arab) Palestinian organizations (PFLP and DFLP) etc. The genetic origins of the Middle Eastern ethnic groups and communities or the languages spoken by their ancesters is not relevant for their present-day ethnic and national identification. --Pylambert 07:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * We should also revert assyrian article only to consists to the nestorian group, because assyrians within the chaldeans and syriacs arent many. Mostly chaldeans wants the chaldean name and the syriacs wants syriac or aramean. About maronites, some of the wishes to create a seperate entity. Again Wikipedia isnt about what one person thinks, but what we all agree on. we have obviously not reched an agreement here, thus the assyrians is merging everything they like to the assyrian people. But there are other ideologies, other thoughts one example: syriacs as an ethnicty. please dont make negative comments about this [to assyrianists]. Accept that there are other thoughts then yours, im more then happy to discuss. but dont be tyriants. anyhow in the same way you guys have reverted all the work wich has been done in this short time. please know that there will come persons after you an change it all again. wikipedia isnt about putting your personal thoughts, but rather to try to show what is accurate. in this case not only assyrians to have control over the articles, but to give some space for other thinkers. Else it will be that one aramean will be admin in the future and change everything to aramean, wich is also wrong. Michael 09:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

For the time being, the Assyrian people article will be about all Neo-Aramaic-speaking people, and all other articles, including this, will be redirects to it. It is an impossible task to reach consensus with thesubject matter spread over several articles. We can suggest new names for this one article, but we'll keep it one article until then. This is going back to a redirect. — Gareth Hughes 11:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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I've removed the speedy deletion tag. Older peer review pages are better archived so people who commented can look back and check to see whether all their concerns are indeed adressed. If you want it peer reviewed again, simply start a new page. Mgm|(talk) 13:52, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)


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John Inverarity

Robert John Inverarity (born 31 January 1944) is a former Australian cricketer who played six Test matches. A right-handed batsman and left-arm orthodox spin bowler in his playing career, Inverarity was also one of the enduring captains in the Australian Sheffield Shield during the late 1970s and early 1980s, captaining both Western Australia and South Australia.

Inverarity was chair of selectors for Cricket Australia from 2011 to 2014.

Cricket career overview
Inverarity played in six Tests between 1968 and 1972 and played first class cricket for Western Australia, South Australia and Australia over a period of twenty-three years between 1962 and 1985. As a state player, he captained Western Australia to Sheffield Shield glory four times in five years. When his teaching career took him to Adelaide his new team of South Australia went on to win the Shield in 1981–82. Batting at the Adelaide Oval he was involved in one of the most unusual "dismissals" in cricket history. After being clean-bowled for a duck by Greg Chappell – the ball deviating in mid-air – he was recalled to bat by umpire Colin Egar who signalled dead-ball, literally; the ball had deflected off a now-deceased unlucky local sparrow. After retiring from cricket in 1985 (aged 41) he continued teaching, before going into coaching on the English county scene with Kent and Warwickshire.

To recognise his contribution to the state team, the Western Australian Cricket Association named a stand at the WACA cricket ground in his honour. The stand, built in 1970 for the WACA's inaugural Test and initially named the "Test Stand", was later renamed to the "Inverarity-Western Underwriters Stand". It has since been demolished.

In 2011, Inverarity was named as the new full-time chairman of selectors for Cricket Australia, beating a high-profile field including Geoff Lawson, Tom Moody, Rod Marsh and chair Trevor Hohns.

Teaching
Inverarity began his career as a teacher during the twilight years of his cricketing career. He taught mathematics at various prestigious independent schools (including stints at Tonbridge School and King's College School in the United Kingdom ) and also served as Vice-Principal at Pembroke School (1981–1988) in Adelaide and Guildford Grammar School, and Headmaster of Hale School (1989–2003) in Perth. In 2001, the new music and drama centre at Hale was named in his honour – The John Inverarity Music and Drama Centre. In 2006, he was appointed warden of St George's College, a residential college of the University of Western Australia. He was also appointed as a member of the University Senate by the Governor Ken Michael.

Family
Inverarity’s father was Merv Inverarity, a Western Australian first-class cricketer during the 1930s and '40s and later senior administrator within the Western Australian Cricket Association.

Inverarity's daughter Alison Inverarity was an Olympic high jumper, representing Australia at the 1992, 1996 and 2000 Summer Olympics.

Early First-class cricket
Inverarity made his first class debut in 1962–3. He made 127 runs at 25.40. In 1963–64 he made 517 runs at 28.72, including 42 against NSW. In 1964–65 he made 385 at 35.00 with a top score of 144. During these seasons, he occasionally bowled but took no wickets.

In 1965–66 he made 549 runs at 39.21, including a career high of 177, and took 2 wickets at 26. In 1966–67 he made 183 runs at 36.60, with a top score of 114 and took no wickets.

In 1967–68 Inverarity made 779 runs at 59.92 and took 4 wickets. Highlights included 82 against Victoria. This consistent form led to his selection on the 1968 Ashes.

Test player
In England Inverarity impressed batting nearly four hours in a tour game against Leicestershire to make 67. Other efforts included 70 against Northamptonshire Inverarity was made 12th man for the first test. He made his test debut in the fourth test, when Bill Lawry was injured. He scored 8 and 34 in a drawn game that ensured Australia kept the Ashes. (His first scoring shot was a boundary).

Inverarity kept his spot for the fifth test at the Oval. In the first innings he scored 1 in the first innings, then played his most famous test match innings: 56 off 253 balls, having opened the innings he was last man out, failing to save the game, with only minutes left in the match. This squared the series 2-2. On the tour overall he scored 645 runs at 24.80 and took two wickets.

In 1968–69 Inverarity player the first test against the West Indies but was then dropped in favour of Doug Walters. He made 660 first class runs that summer at 44.00 and took two wickets. A score of 159 against NSW was his 11th first class century and fourth century that summer. He also made 103 against NSW.

Inverarity was not picked on the Australian team to tour India and South Africa in 1969–70. Playing at home he made 377 runs at 31.41 and took no wickets. In one Shield game he was nearly dismissed by a bird.

Inverarity toured New Zealand in early 1970 with an Australian XI that included Greg Chappell and Dennis Lillee. Inverarity was vice captain to Sam Trimble. He made 376 runs at 37.60, including a century against Otago. In the same game he also took 5–28, his first five-wicket haul. He also scored a century against the New Zealand XI.

In 1970–71 Inverarity scored 810 runs at 54.00 and took 9 wickets at 39.8, but was unable to force his way into the test team.

Test recall
In 1971–72 Inverarity scored 742 runs at 41.22 and took 13 wickets at 33. That summer he became WA captain. He scored 66 for WA against the touring World XI.

In December 1971 he and John Benaud were picked in the Australian side to play the World XI, replacing Ian Redpath and Bruce Francis. Inverarity was also picked as vice captain. This was despite him having made three successive ducks for WA. However he was ruled unfit to play and was replaced by Graeme Watson. Inverarity recovered to play for Australia in the fourth and fifth tests.

Inverarity was selected on the 1972 ashes, although Keith Stackpole was preferred as vice captain. However he was the third selector.

Inverarity was chosen in the side for the first test (his first since 1968).

He was left out of the side for the 3rd test in favour of Ashley Mallett. He replaced Bruce Francis for the fourth test. He kept his spot for the fifth test.

In England in 1972 he scored 553 runs at 26.33 and took 37 wickets at 26.5.

First Class Player
In 1972–73 Inverarity made 380 runs at 34.54 and took 7 wickets at 31.

In 1973–74 he made 681 runs at 48.64 and took one wicket.

In 1974–75 he made 426 runs at 28.40 and took four wickets.

In 1975–76 he made 93 runs at 15.50. He went to work in England in 1976–7, teaching at Tonbridge School, Kent.

World Series Cricket
Inverarity returned to Australia for the beginning of the 1977–77 season, resuming his captaincy of Western Australia. There was some talk that Inverarity might be recalled to the Australian team to captain, but this subsided when Bob Simpson elected to return to test cricket.

That season Inverarity scored 470 runs at 33.57 and took 12 wickets at 19.6. He also led WA to another Sheffield Shield victory.

Simpson led Australia on the 1978 tour of the West Indies, after which he retired. At the beginning of the 1978–79 summer there was press speculation again that Inverarity would be selected in the test side, and he scored 187 in a Shield game at the beginning of the summer. However he was overlooked; Graham Yallop led Australia to a 5–1 defeat against England. Inverarity scored 510 runs at 51.00 and took five wickets. He scored 102 against NSW.

South Australia
World Series Cricket players returned to state sides in the summer of 1979–80. Inverarity moved to South Australia and played for that state. He made 365 runs at 26.07 and took five wickets.

In 1980–81, a summer where he was increasingly unavailable due to work commitments, he scored 321 runs at 26.75 and took three wickets.

In 1981–82 Inverarity served as vice captain to David Hookes in South Australia. Inverarity made 348 runs at 38.66 and took 30 wickets at 21.3. He scored his first century in three seasons, against Queensland, in what was his 126th Sheffield Shield game, making him the person who had played most Shield matches. He also took 5–40 against NSW. South Australia won the Sheffield Shield.

In 1982–83 he made 698 runs at 43.62 and took 19 wickets at 38.

In 1983–84 he made 419 runs at 41.90 and took 18 wickets at 49.5.

In 1984–85 Inverarity made 363 runs at 25.92 and took a career best 43 wickets at 23.6. During this summer there was some press speculation that Inverarity could be recalled to the national side to captain Australia in the wake of the resignation of Kim Hughes. However he was not chosen. Inverarity's last game was against Qld. He scored a fighting 55. "He batted very well," said Jeff Thomson. "I gave him everything today and he never backed away once. A younger man would have given it away but he stuck to his task." He also took 7-86, a career best performance. Inverarity said: "I may be getting the wickets but my legs tell me it's time to quit. I made the decision to play until the end of this season and I'm content to live with that. I'll stick by that decision no matter what happens over the next two days... I think people who retire because they're playing badly and likely to get dropped are copping out. If you're good enough you get picked and if you're not you don't. I've always been prepared to throw my hat in the ring and take that risk.'"

Coach
In 2003 Inverarity was director of coaching at Warwickshire and kept the position for three years. They won the 2004 championship. He later said of the team "They played very determined cricket, game after game. They kept the pressure on for four days. It was a reward for application and bowling persistently, patiently, and for the batsmen it was about enduring the difficult periods and making hay when things got better."

Selector
Inverarity served as Australian cricket selector from 2011 to 2014. He was replaced as chairman by Rod Marsh.

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K-class submarine

The term K-class submarine may refer to:

 * British K-class submarine
 * Norwegian K-class submarine
 * United States K-class submarine
 * United States K-1-class submarine (1951)
 * Soviet K-class submarine

Classe K (sommergibile)

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(Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 13:53, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please stop
Faethon, your accounts were not "robbed." You gave the passwords away by making them the same as your user name and posting them on your user page. You have no one to blame but yourself. What is the benefit of a public account? In all your various accounts, and on your "association"'s page, you never once described the utility of such an account. That no one else joined your association also suggests that no one else could understand it either. With anonymous editing and the ease of registering, there seems to be no reason to prefer a public account, except for vandalism. Please clearly state what the benefit is of a public account and how that is not met by the currently available anonymous editing and easily registered accounts. If you cannot, please stop creating public accounts. Feel free to ask me any questions on my talk page. — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 08:49, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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