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Hesketh Pearson

Edward Hesketh Gibbons Pearson (20 February 1887 – 9 April 1964) was a British actor, theatre director and writer. He is known mainly for his popular biographies; they made him the leading British biographer of his time, in terms of commercial success.

Early life
Pearson was born in Hawford, Claines, Worcestershire, to a family with a large number of members in Holy Orders. His parents were Thomas Henry Gibbons Pearson, a farmer, and the former Amy Mary Constance Biggs. He was a great-great-great nephew of the statistician and polymath Francis Galton, whom he described in Modern Men and Mummers. After the family moved to Bedford in 1896, he was educated there at Orkney House Preparatory School for five years, a period he later described as the only unhappy episode in his life, for the compulsive flogging beloved of its headmaster. At 14, he was sent to Bedford School, where he proved an indifferent student. Rebelling against his father's desire for him to study Classics to prepare himself for a career in Holy Orders, on graduation, he entered commerce but happily accepted his dismissal as a troublemaker when he inherited £1,000 from a deceased aunt. He employed the funds to travel widely, and on his return joined his brother's car business.

Conservative by temperament, he was a passionate reader of Shakespeare's plays and a frequent theatre-goer. When his brother's business faced bankruptcy, he applied for a job with Herbert Beerbohm Tree and began acting with that theatrical entrepreneur's company in 1911. A year later, he married Gladys Gardner, one of the company's actresses.

Wartime and first writing
At the outbreak of the First World War, Pearson enlisted immediately in the British Army but was soon invalided out when it was discovered that he suffered from tuberculosis. He was commissioned into the Army Service Corps and was sent to Mesopotamia, where the climate was conducive to treatment for tuberculosis. He recovered from that malady there but contracted several other diseases, septic sores, dysentery and malaria and was close to death on three occasions. He attributed his survival to his practice of reciting long passages of Shakespeare while he was critically ill. He distinguished himself under fire and, on one occasion, received a severe head wound from shrapnel. He was subsequently awarded the Military Cross.

After the war, Pearson returned to the stage and, in 1921, met Hugh Kingsmill, an encounter that, thanks to Kingsmill's charismatic friendship and influence, changed his life. He began to write as a journalist, and published some short stories and essays. In 1926 the anonymously published Whispering Gallery, purporting to be diary pages from leading political figures, caused him to be prosecuted for attempted fraud. He won the case, partly because (according to Michael Holroyd) of his "engaging candour appealed to the jury".

Author
During the 1930s and 1940s Pearson was perhaps the most successful biographer in Britain from a commercial perspective. He started with Erasmus Darwin (a maternal ancestor) in 1930. The Smith of Smiths (1934) was a life of the Revd. Sydney Smith which retained its popularity. The four authors of what he called his 'revelations' - Wilde, Bernard Shaw, Shakespeare and Tree - were also the subjects of biographies, as were Thomas Paine, William Hazlitt, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Sir Walter Scott. The last to be written at the height of his powers was Johnson and Boswell (1958).

Later life
Pearson was a close friend and collaborator of Malcolm Muggeridge. Richard Ingrams's later biography of Muggeridge [Muggeridge: The Biography ISBN 0-00-255610-3] claimed that Pearson had an affair with Kitty Muggeridge in the early the 1940s, while her husband, Malcolm, was in Washington DC.

With his first wife Gladys he had one son, who died in 1939. She died in 1951 and he married again, to Dorothy Joyce Ryder (1912-1976) later that year. He died on 9 April 1964 at his home, 14 Priory Road, West Hampstead, London. He wrote two autobiographies: Thinking it Over (1938) and Hesketh Pearson by Himself (1965), which was published posthumously a year after his death.

Works

 * Modern Men and Mummers (1921), which describes encounters with Francis Galton (whose great-great-great nephew he was)
 * A Persian Critic (1923)
 * The Whispering Gallery: Leaves from a Diplomat's Diary (1926) fictional diary, published as an anonymous hoax
 * Iron Rations (1928) stories
 * Doctor Darwin (1930) on Erasmus Darwin
 * Ventilations: Being Biographical Asides (1930)
 * The Fool of Love. A Life of William Hazlitt (1934)
 * The Smith of Smiths: Being the Life, Wit and Humour of Sydney Smith (1934)
 * Common Misquotations (1934) editor
 * Gilbert and Sullivan: A Biography (1935)
 * The Swan of Lichfield: being a selection from the correspondence of Anna Seward (1936) editor
 * Labby: The Life and Character of Henry Labouchere (1936)
 * Tom Paine. Friend of Mankind: A Biography (1937)
 * Thinking It Over (1938)
 * Skye High: The Record of a Tour through Scotland in the Wake of Samuel Johnson and James Boswell (1938) with Hugh Kingsmill
 * The Hero of Delhi (1939) on John Nicholson
 * This Blessed Plot (1942) with Hugh Kingsmill
 * A Life of Shakespeare: With An Anthology of Shakespeare's Poetry (1942)
 * Bernard Shaw: His Life and Personality (1942) also G.B.S. A Full Length Portrait (US)
 * Conan Doyle: His Life and Art (1943)
 * Oscar Wilde, His Life and Wit (1946)
 * Talking of Dick Whittington (1947) with Hugh Kingsmill
 * Dickens: His Character, Comedy, and Career (1949)
 * G.B.S. A Postscript (1950)
 * The Last Actor-Managers (1950)
 * Essays of Oscar Wilde (1950) editor
 * About Kingsmill (co-author with Malcolm Muggeridge – regarding Hugh Kingsmill)
 * Dizzy: The Life and Personality of Benjamin Disraeli, Earl of Beaconsfield (1951)
 * The Man Whistler (1952)- (James McNeill Whistler)
 * Walter Scott: His Life and Personality (1954)
 * Beerbohm Tree: His Life & Laughter (1956)
 * Gilbert: His Life and Strife (1957) - (W.S. Gilbert)
 * Johnson and Boswell: The Story of Their Lives (1958)
 * Charles II: His Life and Likeness (1960) also Merry Monarch, the Life and Likeness of Charles II (US)
 * The Pilgrim Daughters (1961) also The Marrying Americans (US)
 * Lives of the Wits (1962)
 * Henry of Navarre (1963)
 * Hesketh Pearson, By Himself (1965) autobiography
 * Extraordinary People (1965) biographical essays

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User talk:Samaritan/2005

It's the start of another new year; better call the newspaper up...

Dear Samaritan
(please refer to delete votes)
 * Dear Wiki contributors, admins & sysops. You have been mislead by Curps. Please see that article in question and decide for yourselves if deletion is a correct Wiki thing to do. I have decided not to pursue the re-naming of Curps's article 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and through consultation with other helpful Wikis, I have decided to start a series of Asian Tsunami articles on my own ... there is freedom to initiate such a move right ? The articles in questions is proposed to drill deep in the subject in question. In Asian tsunami : The earthquake I have attempted to focus just on the earthquake that caused the Asian Tsunamis. In Asian tsunami : Time-line (currently vandalised by Curps), I have drilled down to the exact minutes to minutes account of the waves of deadly tsunamis. I will be added other article in the Asian tsunami series like the humanitarian aspects, current news & occurrences etc. because I think it is the right thing to do. kenkam 06:55, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Canadian television stations
Kirjtc2 and I seem to have gotten into a bit of a spat about whether the article on Vancouver's CTV affiliate should be titled CIVT or BC CTV. My understanding was always that TV and radio station articles should always go at the call sign, and that there needs to be consistency; he believes that common naming should be the more important consideration. What's your take? (See Talk:CIVT.) Bearcat 05:06, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Due South
Have I got a doozer for you...are you familiar with any convention under which Due South (1997) is considered a separate television series that was spun off from Due South (1994)? It's a new one on me, for sure. Bearcat 07:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've found proof that the post-97 episodes were billed as "Season 3" and "Season 4" when they originally aired; that's enough for me. I've killed the split and added a note to the article clarifying the matter. Oy gevalt. Bearcat 08:11, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Neoconservat(iv)ism
It's certainly clear enough that Common Sense Revolution doesn't have enough content (and can't, really) to distinguish it from common sense conservative. Blue Tory, I'd need to read more. But if you want a good laugh, go to Neoconservativism (Canada) (as distinguished from Neoconservatism (Canada); be careful, as I already did the redirect), load up the page history and read the single anon contribution there. SIX MONTHS nobody caught this. Bearcat 05:48, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Alternative Press
Hi! Thanks for cleaning up my entries. What you did with the Alternative Press Syndicate makes sense, and I will follow that form in the future for name changes. I'm not sure how much to add in terms of new headings for various defunct alternative news services. There were about ten. Maybe create a page just on Alternative news service (U.S.) ??? --Cberlet 15:29, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Neoliberalism in Canada
Hello, I noticed your Neoconservatism (Canada) article and found it a welcome addition, but I wanted to ask you with what parameters do you seperate Neoconservative policies from Neoliberal policies in Canada? The two systems seem to share most economic beliefs such as increased free trade and reduced government spending. If Neoconservatism differs because of values including a much more self-interested, realist approach to international relations and a tendency towards social conservatism, would for example the governments of Chrétien and Martin be better mentioned in a seperate paragraph or article about Neoliberalism in Canada? This would assist in contrasting them with the policies of for example Harper and Klein. Thanks, Kurieeto 17:05, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

wobblewobble
I cannot believe I've spent the last eight hours of my life writing up Canadian Interuniversity Sport teams and trophies. I don't even like football... Bearcat 09:58, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Student newspapers
Just FYI, "independent" in reference to a student paper generally means that it's incorporated independently of the student union; non-independent papers are technically publications of the student governments (with all the potential for political interference that this implies). But, of course, maybe you knew that and your questions on the Martlet VfD were rhetorical... Bearcat 05:53, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Due South, part deux
I've just discovered that our anon "spinoff" friend came back on January 20. He didn't split the article this time, but he did edit our resulting additions to refer to (94-96) and (97-99) as two separate television series again. He also added the assertion that "this is a common phenomenon in Canadian television". Um...I can't think of one other example, can you? (I've reverted already.) Bearcat 06:52, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Soc Dem/Dem Soc
Sam: a little bit of background for you. Our boy Michaelm got into an edit war with User:Kurieeto over applying "dem soc" to the NDP. Mike didn't seem to like to think of the NDP as being socialist. Kurieeto and I showered him with references showing that the NDP has called itself dem soc in the past. I expect that the record of this is on the Talk:New Democratic Party page. Having convinced him of this, Mike set off like the Energizer Editor to change every reference from "soc dem" to "soc dem/dem soc" as if the two terms were interchangeable. I haven't done anything about this (although others have, esp. with regard to the Bloc, PQ, UFP) for two reasons: (1) I hate beating up on Mike so much, even though he is wrong 90% of the time, and (2) because I'm not sure that the two terms aren't interchangeable. Sure it feels like there should be a difference, but I haven't found strong evidence of one. It seems more like whatever is more suitable for the times. "Dem soc" would turn people off in these conservative times, but in the past, socialism was a beacon of hope for the working masses. You say "potato", I say "potato". As far as the Cosmo Party and the PDP, I'm not sure if they ever got developed enough to really find a defined place on the ideological spectrum. The PDP seems clearly soc dem, and quite possible dem soc, but the Cosmo Party seems to be just in the squishy left of centre. Kevintoronto 17:16, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Farmers Union of Wales
Hi. Thanks for doing a bit of clearing up work on this stub. I'm not sure that listing it under the English title alone is the way to go though. I don't know much about the organisation, but I know the Welsh like their language treated on a par with English. Perhaps if both titles redirected to one page with both names in the title? Presumably there is precedent from how Quebec related subjects are handled, maybe you know how they do it. All the best, Mattley 11:07, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC).

Thanks for the response. Those are good reasons. I'll leave it as it is. Mattley 12:30, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Mayor of Toronto
Oh, so it wasn't "that" Kevin Richardson. ;-) Kevintoronto 23:22, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for fixing my entries at vfd for program register and origin register. (the == instead of === error). It took me a while to figure out why it looked strange. RJFJR 05:02, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Educational!
I just stumbled across Channel m, and checked out their website. Get a load of http://www.channelm.co.uk/programmes/ -- it's about 2/3 CHUM stuff! Keep in mind, this is a station in Manchester, and that's Manchester as in Morrissey and New Order. Bearcat 06:27, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Intactivist
Hello, Samaritan. Can you please clarify your latest comment on ? Ashley Y has created her own tally of the voting in progress. She seems to be interpreting your recent comment as a vote to "move" rather than "keep" intactivist. To me, it seems clear that your vote is to "keep" the page. I think your most recent comment about renaming to "intactivism" applies to Genital integrity and does not change your vote to keep intactivist. Can you please let us know which interpretation is the correct one? Thank you. Johntex 07:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

GrindSkull, Green Pool, Collin Borell and Adam Diotale
Hey i was just wondering why you want to delete GrindSkull

Hi, Why do you want to delete, Green Pool and Collin Borell ?

 * Hi – I'll respond here, because you didn't sign with a User name with a Talk: page I could reply to.
 * I think of myself as a strong Inclusionist, so I don't take nominating an article for deletion lightly at all.
 * For a sense of the reasons I nominated these articles on Votes for deletion, see point 6 on What Wikipedia is not, Verifiability, and Criteria for inclusion of biographies.
 * Significantly, I found no results on Google web search for "Adam Diotale", very few for "Collin Borell" and nothing that seemed to be music critics or journalists reporting on him, fans discussing him, etc.; nothing related for +"Green Pool" +Collin, and nothing for +GrindSkull +Collin.
 * With all this, I also strongly suspect the articles are self-promotion; see point 7 on What Wikipedia is not, and Auto-biography.
 * My mind is open – some would put that more harshly ;) – and if new evidence seemed to prove my suspicions wrong, and show that these subjects are over the hazy minimum bar to put in an encyclopedia that isn't a directory of everything and everyone'in the world, but is not paper and is broadly, sometimes radically inclusive and open-minded too – I would certainly change my vote.
 * Finally, welcome to Wikipedia! (I assume?) Samaritan 03:17, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Reflections Cabaret
Hmmmm. Well, I suppose it depends how you look at it; I'm not personally inclined to think that most bars (gay or otherwise) deserve articles (excepting, of course, obviously notable bars such as the Horseshoe Tavern, CBGB or Studio 54). If Reflections had special notability in Canadian LGBT history, I'd support it, but I'm not aware of anything that would make it so (which doesn't necessarily mean there isn't anything, granted.) I think it's really just yer standard local gay bar. Even being popular with straight people isn't really all that unprecedented, as these things go. Bearcat 19:08, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bloc Québécois
T'anks for the back-up on this article. I don't think we've seen the end of this. Thanks also for posting Cdn-related VfDs on the Cdn discussion board. That is an exteremly useful service you provide. Kevintoronto 19:17, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia Etiquette
Re your posting to Votes for deletion/État québécois : Note: The user who proposed this for deletion has apparently also been on a POV-tagging binge.

Please be advised that we do not go on "POV-tagging binges." We only make positive contributions to the best of our ability without degrading others making honest efforts. No need to apologize, looking at some of your history, I understand what you are. Thank you. JillandJack 23:21, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pardon me for eavesdropping, but I had to respond to your statement that "I feel like a piece of shit enough already for having, with a badly chosen word, inadvertently flamed you." You're still one of my very favourite contributors. Don't be hard on yourself. Kevintoronto 00:44, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

paniq on VfD
There is an interesting discussion over on VfD for the bio-article for German demoscene musician and artist paniq. I was hoping you could enter a comment or vote after reading through and reviewing the article. -R

Did you know...
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article David and Lisa, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page. --Slowking Man 07:35, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: I didn't create the article, just noticed it in Newpages and nominated it it for Did You Know. - Samaritan

Dean 08 Link
Question, may I ask what did I do wrong with the Dean 08 unofficial link? (was from Zscout370)

Hi
I don't know. That probably could have been merged into the party article, but as a favour, I've cast my vote. And on principle, I don't know why some people are so eager to delete when the point of this whole thing is to propogate knowledge, not restrict. Regards, Kevintoronto 14:39, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

CKY
Please add CKY to your watchlist; it seems a user blanked the television station on February 6 and rewrote the article as essentially a duplicate of CKY (band). Rdsmith4 reverted it, but the same user changed it back to the band again with no further reversions until I caught the issue today. Bearcat 00:06, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Update: I've turned CKY into a disambig; the band is still at CKY (band) and the TV station has been moved to CKY-TV. Bearcat 05:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Archiving
Another question, how does the archiving work? On the US 2008 elections, I got a notice that the page is too long. Zscout370 17:36, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

More fun with JillandJack
I've just noticed that JillandJack actually wrote, in the article on Diane Francis, that Canwest Global originally owned and launched the National Post. That wouldn't be an excusable error even from a user who wasn't insisting that their edits are factually perfect. Any thoughts? (I've already corrected it.) Bearcat 08:10, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The plot thickens...JillandJack have now been banned as a reincarnation of a previously banned user, DW (a/k/a Joe Canuck, Angelique, etc.) Bearcat 00:55, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

CCOTW
I am trying to organize a relaunch of CCOTW and would appreciate your support at Canadian wikipedians' notice board/CCOTW/Collaborators Circeus 15:42, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Universism undeletion
Samaritan, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion#Universist_Movement

More schools on Votes for deletion
As of March 25, 2005, there are an additional (6) articles listed for deletion under the POV notion that schools are non-notable (even though this is invalid reasoning as per the Wikipedia deletion policy). Please be aware that the following schools are actively being discussed and voted upon:

 * VfD: Blake Junior High School (renominated)
 * VfD: Franklin High School
 * VfD: Lake Dow Christian Academy
 * VfD: Red Lake High School
 * VfD: The Sage School
 * VfD: Toowoomba Grammar School

In response to this cyclical ordeal, a Schoolwatch programme has been initiated in order to indentify school-related articles which may need improvement and to help foster and encourage continued organic growth. Your comments are welcome and I thank you again for your time. --GRider\talk

Grotesque picture
Happened to you too? I wish I had have spotted it sooner.. I should probably search for the image and see which user talk pages it's been deposited on. Thank you very much for letting me know that it's not just me it happened to. A bientot. Bobo192 19:32, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome, Samaritan, no trouble. Alai 19:54, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back
I've missed you. You calm and level-headed approach to Wikipedia makes life here more enjoyable. I'm glad you haven't left us. Kevintoronto 14:08, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's alive!
Was beginning to worry what had happened to you...anyway, do whatever the heck you want with the maps. I did them based on my own understanding of how the regions are divided, not with any external reference, and it's not as though I feel particularly strongly about a five minute job done in MS Paint... Bearcat 17:26, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Great job!

--Spinboy 05:54, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * If you want to make something up to give out, you can. I dunno that I'd use that name, but it's a good idea. --Spinboy 17:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject
I don't know if you are from Ottawa or not, but I thought I'd let you know there is a new wikiproject. WikiProject Ottawa aims to improve and expand the articles that already exist relating to things in our fine city, and to create new articles for the same reason. So stop on by and sign up! --Spinboy 04:11, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Heather and her mommies
Nice compromise, well done. I can live with that. —Christiaan 22:56, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kazzer on VfD
Beautiful expansion! Well done, and I will go and change my vote right away. Thanks for dropping me a note. Sjakkalle 06:03, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Christel Haeck
The current wording works for me. CJCurrie 23:19, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

State Funeral of Pierre Trudeau
Thank you for moving some of the images on the page. I uploaded them and I wanted to keep them consistant in chronological order, as the events happened. I created this page. User talk:SNIyer12

 * I'm convinced in one way or another. I wanted to keep it consistent with the timeline and where it happened.

Vitals
You asked me to post my vitals (date of birth, place of birth). However, that would constitute original research since that information isn't available anywhere else (other than private legal records like my birth certificate). BTW, thanks for your edits. GrantNeufeld 12:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Salutin & Polley romantic link source...
You asked where I got the source for a romantic link between Rick Salutin and Sarah Polley. The answer is I got it from someone who lived with one of them. It is creepy but true, as was pointed out, Polley was only 14, and Salutin was 51 and the time my source links them. The same source also says that Salutin gave her away at her wedding! Double ick.

Votes for deletion/Russell Norman

 * Heh. God (Goddess/Universe/PTBs/Homer Simpson/Whatever) help us if that ever picks up! ...
 * (BTW, I couldn't resist fixing the Salutin and Polley wikilinks in the previous heading on this talk page.) GrantNeufeld 02:42, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(about Votes for deletion/List of songs about body parts)
I'm not too sure I understand? Well, I don't really have any strong opinion on that list one way or the other, so I won't vote. I guess if I had to choose I'd lean towards keep. Everyking 18:42, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

BC MDM
Thanks for your revision. I did not respond because I am a little fed up with the situation. Spinboy actually had a point about it not being necessary because the info is currently on a website. I was frustrated that it took me over a week and many, many attempts to cajole and persuade to extract his reason from him. If he had said that in the beginning, I probably would have let it drop. On the other hand, I agree with you that it is likely that the website will be withdrawn, and it seems overly fussy to pull content on a minor, minor party out of Wikipedia now with the intention of restoring it in a few months. I was considering attempting a one-paragraph overview of the policy, but your edit works well, as long as he doesn't decide that it's not to his taste. Ground Zero 21:21, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Emolene Benton Jones
The VfD tag was placed on the page, but the originator of the article wiped it from the page. They've also put up another non-encyclopedic article on Douglas Ransom Bailey which I am also putting up for VfD. --Durin 01:55, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RE: "let's hope we can win this newcomer over to the good side gently."
 * Indeed. Being in his early 40s, he's not just a kid spamming stuff to the wiki. I think we can bring him around, if he's willing to read his discussion page. --Durin 02:02, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Paddy Roberts
I've come across this before, and I'm not sure why I didn't do something about it. I think I just didn't know where to start. I believe in including articles on fringe politicans, so my starting point would be that it should be re-written to bring it up to Wikipedia "standards". But the problem is not just that it is vanity, and that it needs a good copyedit; the real problem is that it sounds like a delusional rant, so I'm not sure that the content of the article is true, and least in the reality in which we exist. It may, of course, be true in the reality in which Paddy Roberts exists, but I don't think that Wikipedia can really cover all possible realities.

I think that the only way out is to nominate it for VfD, and hope that that causes someone to fix the problem. I am loathe to do so because that will draw out all of those who believe that a fringe candidate is inherently non-notable. I would support a VfD on the basis that the article is probably irreparable.

On the other hand, if PD's party really is running in this election, surely there should be some more info available about him. I will see if I can come up with anything, and maybe I can write a new article that is verfiable. Ground Zero 16:45, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

 * My quick google revealed that he is a real person, he has set up the Bloc BC Party, he did run for the BCMP before, he is a pilot, and he seems to have had trouble with the DEA. The problem is that the articles on the DEA were written by him on the cannabisculture website. I have not found evidence that the BC Bloc has actually nominated candidaets, although PD claimed that it has done so in a local newspaper article, and claims to be aiming to have 50 candidates. I go back to this article being irreparable unless the vast majority of it is deleted, and the article reduced to a stub. Your thoughts? Ground Zero 17:26, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Good job, Sam. Ground Zero 21:42, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * And thanks for alerting me to the Draft Beer Party article. I was unaware of it previously. Ground Zero 14:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Pay less books
Thanks for your help editing my vfd; I followed the instructions but for some reason it wasn't turning out properly! Onlyemarie 17:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Party pooper
The S. Harper vandalism was kind of fun. Why did you kill it? I know, I know, we shouldn't encourage that kind of thing. Ground Zero 21:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Good Samaritans and other kinds...
Hey. No offense was intended...but I assume that, since you took the handle upon yourself, that you prolly know to what I was referring. :-p Tomer TALK  22:20, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Energy directory
Sterling's reply to Samaritan  Are you saying that if some yahoo posted a Vfd page on a legitimate, long-held page at Wikipedia that you would leave it there for a week? Sterlingda 00:46, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Another response posted Sterlingda 01:09, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Deletion policy/names and surnames
Hi. Since you've posted a bunch of first-name articles recently, I thought you might want to have a say in this discussion. Cheers! -- BD 24 12 thi m k 02:21, 2005 May 6 (UTC)

VfD of hoser
Hi. Thanks for your improvements of the hoser article. I guess I was wrong when I thought that it could not be expanded into something encyclopedic. I'll withdraw the VfD when I can get WP:VFD to load (I'm getting time-outs right now). Best regards, Sietse 14:56, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Caleb Mueller
Caleb Mueller is a notable artist who is starting to achive fame. Even though he is my brother I think his article should still stay in, because you never know what will ahppen to small musicans. Plus there are other unotable musicans in here so delete them to then. This page isn't also for adverstiment for my brother but to show different talent of musicans out here. Plus I hate my brother and his music so I'm not endorsing him. --JesseMueller 15:27, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Energy directory -> Master List of Energy Topics -> List of energy topics
Sure, I do not object to the current title. But I do not understand what you mean by removing it from the queue? I could not find it in the link you provided? Ultramarine 16:20, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed it. Should anything else be removed? Ultramarine 17:10, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

GLBT categories deleted
Hi, Samaritan. I encourage you to visit Categories for deletion/Log/2005 May 7. (Wikipedia really needs a GLBT noticeboard for stuff like this.) Jonathunder 04:13, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

 * Inspired by Jonathunder's idea, I have created a LGBT noticeboard. Please take a look.  -- Samuel Wantman 07:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

African-American culture
Thanks for the redirect. :) deeceevoice 15:35, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Dalton McGuinty
I've taken a run through at your suggestion. It still needs work. Really what it needs is an even-handed critic of Dilbert to add in some less hagiographical material to balance what's there. But I don't really have the interest to do the research right now. Regards, Ground Zero 16:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Jessica Willibanks
Can you note who think that it became a media circus? You introduced a weasel word. - Ta bu shi da yu 23:39, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Works for me! Thanks for fixing that up :-) Ta bu shi da yu 02:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * P.S. could you use Template:Ref and Template:Note for that external site reference? Example - Ta bu shi da yu 04:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Belinda Stronach is a Conservative!
Belinda has joined the Liberals so she can become leader and take that party further to the right and make it more conservative than the Conservative Party. I sense this. I know it will come true. You just wait. Here is a link that proves that I am right: Belinda is an arch-conservative. I think I should put this important information in the article since no-one else knows about this now but me. ;-) Ground Zero 19:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

who really cares unles u voted conservative LIBERALS rule!--Soromeo 23:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Caulfield Grammar FAC
As a user who loves their schools, I wanted to let you know about this current school FAC nomination. Please have a look and a vote. Thanks. Harro5 03:29, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Artificial Birdland...and more
re: your recent addition of Artificial Joy Club and Sal's Birdland to the musicians list, I can't tell if you know the half of it or not: remember the 80s pop band One to One? As in "Angel in My Pocket"? That was them too. Bearcat 07:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I think I officially need a vacation
In my various Wikiadventures tonight, these are the kinds of things I found: I need drugs. Know any good dealers? Bearcat 07:21, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * an entire category devoted exclusively to the Township of King (yes, that piddly-arse little piece of nothing up past Newmarket),
 * an article devoted to Shomer Transportation's grocery shuttle for the "Galleria Supermarket" in Thornhill, and another devoted to the Guelph Magic Bus,
 * individual transportation categories for Peel, York, Halton, Durham and Niagara regions and Wellington and Essex counties, none of which were actually filed as subcategories of anything (and the Essex county category has one article in it, Dougall Avenue),
 * "School bus" had been categorized as "Transportation in Ontario", as had several highways that were already filed at "Ontario provincial highways",
 * articles on every transit system in Southern Ontario, all filed under every last multiply-redundant subcategory they could fit in short of "vehicles",
 * Trans-Canada Highway was individually filed under all ten provincial transportation subcategories, but amazingly not under "Transportation in Canada",
 * and my favourite of all, an entire category of "assessible" (sic) transit services.

Image of 2ch on Internet forum
Hiya Samaritan, as you've contributed to internet forum in the past, could you please read this part of the talk page, and offer your opinions, so we can reach consensus on which image to include? Talrias (t | e | c) 09:11, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

CFS/CASA
Can you consider intervening in the dispute between myself and Spinboy on the Canadian Federation of Students and Canadian Alliance of Student Associations articles? I think it's wrong to have an NPOV label indefinitely and it would be good to have a resolution and I'd rather not take Spinboy to Arbcomm if possible as otherwise he's a good editor, he just seems to have a fixation when it comes to these two groups.AndyL 16:03, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

POV
Hi. You don't know me but back in April you wrote:

 * Belaboring any point – even if the point is completely true – can be a form of POV inappropriate for an encyclopedia or a Wikipedia article.

By "POV" did you mean bias? If so, may I help you revise the article so that it's unbiased? -- Uncle Ed (talk) 13:45, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

W. Mark Felt
Salve! I nominated W. Mark Felt as a WP:FAC. As you commented on the article's talk page, I'd appreciate your comments at Featured article candidates/W. Mark Felt/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 14:56, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Causes célèbres
I notice you voted keep in a December 2004 CfD vote about this category. It's been voted for deletion but I am trying to save it. Please come to Votes for undeletion to express your view. David | Talk 18:13, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Inclusion not Deletion
(AIW) can you take a look at Wikipedia "apartheid"? There is a movement to delete a two-word inclusion that is fact and true. It's gotten to the point that everyone is focused on the disputing editors and not the edit itself.

" Deletionists are disputing the following statement: "South Africa was settled initially by the Dutch, Germans and French from the 17th century onwards. English, other European settlers, and Diaspora Jews followed in the 19th century." This statement is true, and it therefore should not be deleted.69.217.125.53 15:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Apartheid

Thanks!

 * I was also spammed with this, it is not an inclusionist/deletionist issue, it's an edit war.   — PhilHibbs | talk 08:30, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

kevin gnapoor experience
hey thanks for critiquing my hip hop ensemble known as the kevin gnapoor experience. i'm glad to see that you figure us as 'thin voiced, passionless high school rappers who don't even sound the least bit coninvinced in their own words. write what you know.' as college students we had intentions of going professional (we figured ourselves to be thick voiced college rappers with a passion), but after that scathing review we're rethinking everything. thank you for putting so much time in to tell us what to do and what not to do. without your help we might be in a quagmire wondering what to do with our rap careers. now we know just to avoid that. as the producer, i'm glad you found the sampling and production 'pretty darn good'. it's too bad you had to put an end to us. thanks again.

Welcome back
Welcome back. I was so afraid that we had lost you. Ground Zero | t 21:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC) (formerly Kevintoronto).

Order of Canada
Thanks a bunch for adding the information in. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

KMG article
Sure.. if you want to wikify KMG's page.. go right ahead. I think he does deserve a Wiki Entry. He's a fascinating fella... and he's been something of a personality in Canadian media and politics for over a decade. Somena 10:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The general vicinity of Wawa
No, to be honest, I actually haven't seen it (compare what I wrote there to the immensely more detailed article I wrote at Lilies, frex.) I misunderstood what you meant at first, and thought you were challenging me on a category inclusion, but then reviewed what I wrote and realized that you were asking me if it would fit as an addition. (In my defense, I can't claim to have been operating at my full intellectual capacity, since...oh, about 2002.) Maybe a DVD night's in order. Oh, and welcome back! (Missed ya!) Bearcat 18:03, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Project Wyze (or not-so-wyze)
I'd agree that Project Wyze are probably notable enough for an article, and suspect that they got missed on the Canada-related VfD list because of the old article's inaccurate labelling of them as American. At the same time, I don't personally know much about them beyond their existence, so I have a hard time figuring out what could realistically be added to make a recreated article more deletion-proof. Bearcat 00:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

"Faster, Leonard Cohen! Die! Die!"
Speakin' o' road movies...think Hard Core Logo should go in there as well? Or would you consider the road aspect to be too much of a secondary plot? Bearcat 02:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Marsden

 * Well, I was impressed enough that she didn't escalate the confrontation; that she didn't raise the card McKeown figuratively called up by getting further into the personal dirt with a defense, or that she didn't lash out at him at the time. Was there a deer-in-the-headlights element there? Yes, but she faced it; that's what I meant. And I could swear the response with O'Reilly she at least half laughed it off, as in 'it's a hatchet job... but about what you'd expect from the CBC.'

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying its a POV. I didn't see her on O'Reilly but the bit she didn't seem to be "laughing it off" when she wrote:

 * Canada’s CBC was the latest to weigh in with a drive-by on high profile conservative commentators. (In the interest of full disclosure, I’m both a contributor to O’Reilly’s show and was featured by the CBC as the only Canadian apparently worth targeting in the “documentary.”)

 * And I'll admit to reservations about the photo. What if someone put up Svend Robinson's picture from that fundraising remove-a-fig-leaf thing for the main image for him?

Had this picture not been *the* feature picture of her on her own website for quite some time I'd probably agree with you. As it is, I think it should be included since it's been used as evidence regarding her personality/character etc. Homey 16:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Harvey Jackson
Thanks for suggesting the merge idea. I personally do not mind a merge of the article, since there are many people who were affected by the storm. But, as time fades on and the bloggers move away, I think Mr. Jackson will not be remembered long. I also reworded the lead section of the article to read that his wife is missing instead of dead, since we cannot confirm her death. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Kevin Michael Grace
Thanks for catching my error on Kevin Michael Grace. I mixed-up the two journals, a silly mistake caused by having too many tabs open on my browser. I am grateful when other editors check my work, though I hope it isn't usually so necessary. Cheers, -Willmcw 09:50, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Joshua Hellyer
I personally vote "worry too much"; if the show were subculturally notable there'd be at least one identifiable reference to its notability somewhere on Google. Creator's only other edit was to add a Joshua Hellyer link to Paul Hellyer, which has already been reverted. I'm actually willing to speedy this instead of even bothering with a VfD. Bearcat 22:55, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

The L'Ecuyer boys
While we're on the subject, I don't suppose you'd know whether Gerald L'Ecuyer and John L'Ecuyer are related? I'd expect them to be, given that they're both film directors from Montreal who work primarily in English despite having a French surname, and are both frequently affiliated with LGBT-themed projects, but I haven't been able to find a reference that answers the question. Bearcat 19:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Samaritan
I don't know if you remember me, but I believe we talked a back when I started making the Mariah Carey single articles and you left a nice note of encouragement on my talk page. There was a vote on the song, O Holy Night and you helped us keep the article back then However, someone wants to delete the article again. I was wondering if you'd consider voting again to save the song? It really shouldn't be deleted, and important info will be lost if they delete or merge the article. Thank you. OmegaWikipedia 12:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

User Categorisation
You were listed on the Wikipedians/Ontario page as living in or being associated with Ontario. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Ontario for instructions.--Rmky87 04:31, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Our Toronto
Our Toronto was the paper's original name. Toronto Free Press was a later name. --Cyberboomer 23:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Canadian constructed languages
Is up for deletion. Pls cast your vote.--Jondel 02:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

A belated Thanks
This is a belated thanks for your insight on the VfD for Articles for deletion/Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary last May. I also wanted to thank you for the way that looked at the issue and reviewed the RfC on me as part of your research on the matter.

I left Wikipedia because felt I was being overrun with by users who had a common and very limited topic interest on Wikipedia. I still believe that several of them are/were sockpuppets based on posting patterns, sentence structure, etc.

Anyway, and again, thank you for your input on the matter. Stude62 03:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

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Darwin College

Darwin College may refer to:

 * Darwin College, Cambridge
 * Darwin College, Kent
 * Darwin College (Mauritius)
 * Darwin College is a fictional college in the film Horse Feathers

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User talk:TMP83

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Air Burundi

Air Burundi was the state-owned national airline of Burundi, although in practice it has not been operational since 2009.

At its peak, the airline operated scheduled regional passenger services to Rwanda, Tanzania, and Uganda with its main base at Bujumbura International Airport, and headquarters in Bujumbura.

Early history
The airline was established in April 1971, and started operations in 1975. It was formed as Société de Transports Aériens du Burundi, and adopted the present name in June 1975. The airline began operations a fleet of two Douglas DC-3s followed by two De Havilland DHC-6 Twin Otter and a Sud Caravelle III in 1980. The 1996 Burundian Civil War put a lot of pressure on the airline, and transportation of all forms in the country was paralyzed. In 1999 the East African Community lifted sanctions on Burundi and the airline resumed operations from February 1, 1999.

Troubled operations
The airline continued to provide scheduled flights to nearby regional cities, however in spring of 2007, due to technical issues it temporarily suspended operations. In 2008, the airline was relaunched with a much smaller network, providing daily flights to Kigali and Entebbe.

In September 2009, an inability to secure adequate funding to overhaul its aircraft led to the airline's suspension of operations; the single aircraft in operation, a Beechcraft 1900, had reached the maximum flight hours before a major service was mandated. The aircraft was flown to South Africa to undergo regular maintenance operations, to cost at least $1m.

Press reports in September 2013 indicated that the airline will require $1.3million to overhaul and return its Beechcraft 1900C into active service in support of the airline's sole functioning aircraft, an MA60. Despite the arrival of the MA60, operations have not resumed. For a second MA60, due as part of a "Buy one, get one free" deal with China, the contract regarding the purchase of the aircraft (recorded as having been a "donation" from China to Burundi) had yet to be finalised, with no delivery date agreed to date.

Revival
In August 2011, East African media reported that Air Burundi had started a process of restructuring. Six international companies had already been pre-selected, through competitive bidding, to propose a restructuring process. Plans were apparently under way to either lease or acquire new aircraft to facilitate the resumption of flight operations.

In January 2013 it was reported that the privatisation of Air Burundi had in part been delayed by the carrier's 90% shareholding in SOBUGEA (Société Burundaise de Gestion Aéroportuaire), the country's airport management company. Staff there argued that the Privatisation bill introduced by the government contained many irregularities, including reference to "Air-Burundi/Sobugea", a company that does not exist: "The first is a public company created in 1975, governed by Decree No. 100/160 of September 5, 1997, while the second was born in 1981 and governed by the laws of 12 March 2008." Although privatisation had been discussed a while ago, it was argued that the two companies should be taken separately: "Each has its heritage and its status. Contrary to what is stated in the explanatory memorandum, any reform concerning Air Burundi does not include SOBUGEA."

Ownership
Air Burundi, which had its head office in Bujumbura, was wholly owned by the government of Burundi.

Past suitors for Air Burundi were reported to have included the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development (AKFED) (who in turn own the Celestair Group that includes Air Uganda, Air Mali and Air Burkina Faso) and various Chinese investors; no proposal bore fruit however, and the view was that any potential investors in a privatised Air Burundi would be "wary of the lack of a robust, clear legal framework that specifically defines the company's activities and roles."

Business trends
Financial and other business figures for Air Burundi were rarely published, even before operations were suspended; net profit figures have been reported as below:

Destinations
Until operations were suspended, Air Burundi operated scheduled international services to the following destinations:

Fleet at closure
The Air Burundi fleet consisted of the following aircraft (as of August 2019):

Historical fleet
At August 2006, the airline also operated:
 * 1 DHC-6 Twin Otter Series 300
 * 1 Sud Aviation Caravelle

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Talk:Battle of Appomattox Court House

Grammar
This article has some serious run-on sentences. We need commas, STAT! I don't have time to do it now; hopefully, someone else can get to it first.

Grant's Headache
"Grant who's headache had suddenly disappeared when he received Lee's note arrived in a dirty private's uniform with only his shoulder straps showing his rank."

It's not mentioned previously that Grant had a headache. Does anyone know more about this? -- Arekku
 * A quick Google search reveals a few mentions of Grant's physical condition prior to and during Appomattox, including this reference from PBS.org's site on Ken Burn's Civil War documentary:

 * Grant noted at several points in his memoirs that he was suffering "very severely" with a "sick headache". He used what was probably the traditional remedy for that in the mid 19th Century, which included bathing his feet in hot water and mustard as well as putting mustard plasters on his wrists and back part of his neck.

 * Grant noted that as soon as he read Lee’s note suggesting they meet to formalize the surrender of the Confederate army, his headache disappeared.

 * I suggest something more be added earlier in the article about Grant's headache. For now, I'll revise the existing line. --Nick 17:01, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Confederate casualties
I noticed that the "Casualties" column for the Confederate side lists 28,000. I assume that the intention here is to indicate that Lee's army surrendered, and so the entire army was a "casualty." However, I'm not sure that this is appropriate. I've always known casualties to mean soldiers killed and injured in action, and while I could see this being extended to missing and captured soldiers I don't think it applies well to an army that surrenders and is allowed to return home. Does anyone else have an opinion? Perhaps the best solution might be to give a figure for soldiers injured and killed, and then note that the army surrendered and was dispersed. TomTheHand 19:19, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Something weird is happening to the edit button
In both the Firefox and Opera internet browsers, the edit buttons for the first three paragraphs are in the wrong spot. In Firefox, they're overlapping the last battle section, and in Opera, all three are at the bottom of "The last battle" section. I checked in Internet Explorer, and it's working, so I don't know what's going on. Could someone please look at it?

Daniel

 * I find that Campaignboxes following the Infoboxes make many articles rather fragile in this regard. Oddly enough, although I have been Wikipedia-ing for a couple of years, I have no idea where to report bugs like this. Perhaps someone can enlighten us. In the meantime, can you reconsider your edits that put these comparatively large flag images into battle articles? Either reduce them to a manageable size (50px?) or forget about it, pls. (I see that Internet Explorer, which I rarely use, displays them quite clumsily in comparison to Firefox.) Hal Jespersen 02:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Surrender Importance
I've included the actual text written by Grant to Lee in the McLean House, which was needed. The surrender was just too important to be stated as a minor entry. Could a separate article on the surrender be written, if not already? Carajou 05:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I think this is the appropriate place for the information you have added. The problem with having a second article is that I cannot imagine a name that people would immediately think of: Surrender of Robert E. Lee? Surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia? Surrender at Appomattox Courthouse? In any event, since the detail you have added is not overly long, I see no problem with leaving it here. Hal Jespersen 16:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

True, and I thought of that after I included some of Grant's and Chamberlain's details. If I may suggest, since what happened at Appomattox is one of the most important days in this country's history, we go into detail by including as much as possible from those people who were there at the time, not just Grant and Chamberlain, but Lee, Longstreet, Gordon, etc. It should provide the reader with something that could be really used (like a kid doing homework). I think this should also clear up the grammar problem as well. Carajou 19:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

 * You need to balance human interest material with the content and formatting requirements of an encyclopedia. If the material about the other generals is primarily personal in nature, such as their thoughts and reactions, I think it would be better placed into their biography articles than here. Hal Jespersen 20:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The transition between the battle and the surrender isn't well developed. Here are a list of sources that discuss it:

65.196.107.215 (talk) 21:59, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

The Last Battle
Minor edit of quotations from Gordon and Lee. I checked against what was written in Freeman's book on Lee as well as more current books for accuracy. Carajou 07:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

saluting
I have removed the following unencyclopedic editorial comment from the main article:

 * The reference to the V Corps saluting the Confederates (Gordon) was a myth perpetuated by Chamberlain (his Union peers came to despise the man as the man to boast his political goals blew the Gettysburg incidents out of portion). This was a common thing for the age Mrs. Jackson did the same for Thomas as did Mrs. Pickett and later Mrs. Custer.  It just was not acceptable and considered in bad taste when done by the indiviual.  In reality the salute was nothing more then relieving the men who standing in one position became very tired; they were ordered to change positions every few minutes.  (Diaries show that the men rather then being friendly had to be relived of the ammunition to ensure shots were not taken).

Before this paragraph is restored to the article, we will need to have some citations from secondary sources to back up this claim. We also can do without the POV opinions on the characters of Chamberlain and the other Civil War generals mentioned. Hal Jespersen 21:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I support the argument that the 'salute' giving by the V corps never happened. Chamberlain's Passing of the Armies does tend to create some myths, as do many of the memoirs generated in the 1880s by numerous generals on both sides. Recent books support this. Just off the top of my head I can't remember sources, but I believe a good place to start looking is in the book Lee's Last Retreat. Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 00:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

 * Anyone who has read J.B. Gordon's memoirs will know that he was a fantasist. They read like a bedtime story of romantc chivalry. Valetude (talk) 10:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

ever-expanding article
I just took an editing pass over some of the recent additions to the article. In my opinion, we are adding too much detail about activities that are not directly related to the battle that occurred on April 9. I think it would be more appropriate to move most of the voluminous material (actually, a lot of detail has been omitted even from this lengthy description) about prior battles, surrender negotiations, and the following surrender ceremonies to the currently brief Appomattox Campaign article. It is on my to-do list to expand the campaign article and, unless someone beats me to it, I think this particular battle article should be focused much more sharply on the battle itself. Hal Jespersen (talk) 00:13, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It was my intent to just add more information, and worry about trimming later; it's a lot easier than having to go back. I don't have access to the sources I need to expand the rest of it at this time. I don't think it makes much sense to redirect the surrender info to the Appomattox Campaign article, because I doubt even once it's been expanded it will be that large. It makes much more sense to just discuss the natural outgrowth of the day's fighting here, because it's more directly relevant than the campaign in general. Also, I would like to know why you are reverting formatting changes. Martin Raybourne (talk) 18:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The reason it makes more sense in the campaign article is that the prelude to surrender--all of the notes and responses and preparations to meet between the lines at various times--coincided with the results of three or four individual battles. Therefore, putting it all into the article about the minor battle that preceded the surrender, relying on a very long Background section to cover all of that information seems less than optimal. On a procedural note, I think you will find over time that writing articles and then going back later to add citation is actually more work. The first few hundred articles I wrote were in the early days of Wikipedia, when citations were not emphasized as being very important, and going back to improve those with reasonable citations has been a lot of work, which is not nearly complete after over five years.

I modified the formatting to match the formatting used by the original author of the work and of other comparable articles in the campaign and the American Civil War space. One of the tenets of Wikipedia editing is that if multiple formats are allowable, when you make incremental edits to an article you do not arbitrarily change them to another format, you conform to the format already in place. Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand me. I'm saying it's best to add more information and cut it down; the only unsourced information that's been added has been added by you. There's no sort of article precedent about formatting. You are trying to own this article and control its changes, preventing good-faith additions to this article. I would like to see this reach GA, and that can't happen if any sort of background information is removed. Not everyone is a Civil War buff, and articles must be accessible. Martin Raybourne (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

From WP:MOS: "Stability of articles The Arbitration Committee has ruled that editors should not change an article from one guideline-defined style to another without a substantial reason unrelated to mere choice of style, and that revert-warring over optional styles is unacceptable.[1] Where there is disagreement over which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor."

If by "the only unsourced information that's been added has been added by you" you mean in the old days before citations were common in Wikipedia, you're right. If you mean in the last few days, I don't know what you're referring to and we should correct it, if so. I have no objection to good-faith content additions to this article or any article. I am merely suggesting that there are better places for such info, given the structure of the articles we currently have. Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The surrender was a result of this battle, not the campaign. To place it anywhere else would be disingenuous and misleading. Martin Raybourne (talk) 21:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

That is really a very narrow view of the events of the campaign. After the debacles of Sayler's Creek and High Bridge, Lee was in active communication with Grant about the possibility of surrendering. This process coincided with at least three battles, each of which has a separate article. The military events of April 9 were a high-risk, last-gasp effort to break out of the Union army's grip, a possibility that Lee thought had very little chance of success. The battle lasted only briefly until Lee saw what he was up against and then he gave up. Hal Jespersen (talk) 23:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm trying to improve this article, with all the available sources that I have. I would prefer if you didn't stand in the way of that. Martin Raybourne (talk) 20:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

commanders in information box
The general guideline we used for information boxes is to list the uppermost commander on each side. We sometimes list key subordinate commanders if they have some particularly noted role, such as command in an isolated part of the battle, or if a famous one is killed, such as Jackson at Chancellorsville. In the case of this minor battle, George Meade played almost no personal role. (He is not even mentioned in the main text of the article, other than an unlinked reference to his last name in the aftermath section.) Hal Jespersen (talk) 23:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Still, he was the commander of the Army of the Potomac, therefore it wouldn't matter what little he did.Red Wiki 18:00, 13 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkyrie Red (talk • contribs)

One could make that claim for any of the subordinate commanders, but as I said above, our guideline to list only the uppermost commander on each side unless a subordinate had some unique contribution (and we don't do that very often, either). Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Traditional end to the Civil War?
Am I the only American who remembers thinking of this as the end of the Civil War all through school - even in high school? If this is commonly taught, should it be noted, even if wrong, since it is a common point to this battle? I suppose that - even if it would be mentioned - we would also need sources which called it that, as well as reasons. I have none of the former, but of the latter, I think that it would be fair to say that: 1. Lee's army was the most important, and any extra was just mopping up. Sort of like the soldiers who kept fighting after V-J Day, though that, of course, is an extreme example; 2. Lee's Army was seen as even more significant because he was the head of all Confederate Armies - it was unlikely that anyone would keep fighting for many more weeks once he surrendered; 3. The main goal all along had been Richmond (though it fell on April 3, the ANV were the official defenders); and, though not quite as important, 4. Lincoln didn't live to see the others - if others are like me, that could be a reason. It's a little less sad to read about Lincoln's death if I consider that he lived to see the end - even if it wasn't officially "the end."209.244.187.155 (talk) 09:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * If you have some citations from reputable secondary sources that say the Civil War ended on this day, you are welcome to work them into the current Aftermath section, which is more oriented toward the reality than stories remembered from school. I (and many historians outside of Virginia) would take issue with your third point about Richmond being the main goal. Many modern historians believe that the war was substantially won in the Western theater. Even in just the Eastern theater, the main goal of Lincoln and Grant was Lee's army, not the city of Richmond. Your fourth reason is rather sentimental and not encyclopedic. Certainly your second reason is correct, although, once again, you should present secondary source citations to make that case. Hal Jespersen (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * April 12, 1865: Surrender of city of Mobile, AL and forces therein. April 14, 1865: U.S. Flag raised over Fort Sumter. April 18, 1865: Sherman-Johnston memorandum signed. April 26, 1865: Surrender of forces under command of General Joseph E. Johnston. May 4, 1865: Surrender of Confederate forces in Alabama and Mississippi under General Richard Taylor. May 10, 1865: Capture of CSA President Jefferson Davis; US President Andrew Johnson declares armed resistance at an end. May 11, 1865: Brigadier General M. Jeff Thompson surrenders remnants of his forces in Arkansas. May 12, 1865: Battle of Palmito Ranch; last battle of any size but minor skirmishes continued for at least a few more weeks in isolated locations. May 23-24, 1865: Grand Reviews of Union Armies - except for VI Corps a few weeks later. May 26, 1865: Surrender of Army of Trans-Mississippi Army - though not formally accepted by E. Kirby Smith until June 2. May 29, 1865: President Johnson's amnesty proclamation. June 3, 1865: CSA naval forces on the Red River surrender. June 23, 1865: Last surrender by a Confederate General, Stand Watie, in Indian Territory. June 28, 1865: Last day of operations by Confederate raider, C.S.S. Alabama. April 2, 1866: President Johnson declares the insurrection at an end - except in Texas which did not get its government organized until later and President Johnson issued a separate proclamation for it on August 20, 1866. All can be verified in Long, E.B. The Civil War Day by Day and undoubtedly in a variety of other sources.

 * The end was certainly in sight on April 9, 1865, and most people probably felt both then and now that little more fighting should or would take place and it was only a matter of a short time before the war was wrapped up and the states were fully restored to the union. I do not think of the 1866 dates as the end, although an argument could be made for them as the true dates for the end of the war, so I include them in the interest of giving a full list of end dates (except for the minor fights and skirmishes). I think some date in June (May at the earliest), 1865 is technically more accurate for the end of the war and the Appomattox surrender date could only be used as an end date with some small qualification. Consider that even if Lee kept his forces from turning into guerillas, as he did, he might not have been able to stop the other forces in the field from carrying on in some fashion that would have kept many fighters and a considerable number of small groups fighting unconventionally for months or years. Previous actions by Mosby and Morgan and even (perhaps even more so) by bandits like Anderson and Quantrill certainly show that it would not have been a novel concept to carry on in that fashion - and some CSA leaders at least had considered this as an option. I think it better to have cleared these sizable groups off the fields before considering the war to have been at an end. Even if only a minimal amount of skirmishing and a minor battle or two was fought after Appomattox it could not be the end with the number of men in the field still under arms and the number of small actions that still took place - in my opinion. The Eichers put forth a date in 1869 but I can't buy that one at all no matter what their publications and reputations are and the overall value and diligence of their work. I did not go back to look it up but I think their rationale is based on the last of the U.S. Volunteers being mustered out of the army or the last of the brevets being handed out or some such rationale. Donner60 (talk) 08:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Nobody ever seems to mention the most obvious date for marking the war's end. That is May 5th, when the Confederacy dissolved itself. Any fighting after that date must logically be classified as postwar hostilities. Valetude (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

HELP
Does anyone know where this is? I keep looking it up but all I get is history on this place. I need it for my English paper. thanks!Mira (talk) 05:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, let's see. There's a link to the coordinates at the top of the article, a link to the coordinates in the infobox, and the intro says "Lee's final stand was at Appomattox Court House, where he launched an attack to break through the Union force to his front…" What part of the location isn't clear with that? —C.Fred (talk) 05:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Map
A map of the battle would be a helpful addition. Dan653 (talk) 12:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Confederate Casualties, Salmon citation
An IP editor has been changing the Confederate casualty figures (killed and wounded) in the infobox from about 500 to 195 while leaving the source for the original figures, Salmon, Virginia Civil War Battlefield Guide p. 492 as the citation. Here is the URL/link for the source which clearly states "about 500." http://books.google.com/books?id=f_B3ToTmp1oC&pg=PA492&lpg=PA492&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false If this is in error and there is a better, reliable source that justifies a change, it should be cited. If the change is meant to refer only to the number killed, it would still need a different citation because that number (195) is not given in Salmon on page 492. Note, too, that Salmon refers to "casualties" with respect to the figures for both armies, so presumably that is the figure he believes is correct for killed and wounded for both sides, not killed for one and killed and wounded for the other. Donner60 (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Oct. 2013 Vandalism (?)
The word "fias" appeared in the first paragraph, and I can find no meaning for it. It does not look like a misspelling to me. In addition there was a sentence fragment in the first paragraph of the "Background" section, which read "Confederate GeneralRobert E. Lee waited for an opportunity to leave the Petry turned Lee's flank at the Battle of Five Forks." I removed this. I hope some historian who knows this battle can correct these changes. Nick Beeson (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

'Courthouse' is a single word
I'm not going to fix this because (insert whatever you'd like to believe here), but 'courthouse' is a single word. Writing it as 'court house' is an elementary-school mistake. I'll add that the article text is inconsistent, sometimes getting it correctly as one word, mostly splitting it in two. 99.66.150.5 (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

 * I know this comment is a couple years old, but just for clarification for future editors, Appomattox Court House in this context is the full proper name of a village, not a reference to a judicial building. The village included the judicial building/county seat, but the surrender took place in a private home, as the article explains. It appears the only existing reference to a judicial building, as of this writing, is in a photo caption, where it is spelled as one word. -EightYearBreak (talk) 16:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Union 'Strength' is Absurdly Bloated
The overwhelming majority of sources written in the past century has confirmed that there were only about 60,000 Union Soldiers present at Appomattox Court House at the time of the battle and surrender. 150,000 men is an absurd inflation, which is to be expected from a German book written more than a century ago that someone for some reason felt was a reliable source (Bodart, Gaston (1908). Militär-historisches Kriegs-Lexikon, (1618–1905). Stern.) Sukurabu (talk) 13:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Updated with strength values from the American Battlefield Trust. Mojoworker (talk) 07:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Infobox: Confederate strength: 26,000, Confederate surrendered: 26-28,000
Shum mishtake shurely! Boscaswell  talk  22:37, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Aiden J. Harvey

Aiden J Harvey (born 5 March 1952 in Manchester, England) is an English northern comedian and impersonator who got his break on the mid-1970s ATV talent show New Faces. He was subsequently in demand on TV comedy and variety shows throughout the following decade.

He often appeared on the 1970s comedy program Who Do You Do and its 1980s revival, Copy Cats. Both shows were produced by LWT, and centred on a group of impressionists doing impressions.

Harvey was a guest performer on televised variety shows including ''Live from the Piccadilly'.

In 2005, he was working as a comedian on the cabaret circuit in Mallorca, and also as a cruise ship entertainer.

In 2007, he appeared in the pantomime version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs at the Southport Theatre.

In recent years, Aiden has appeared in pantomime at the Princess Theatre, Torquay. In 2015, as Muddles in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and in 2016 as Buttons in Cinderella. He changed venue in 2017, still for Cinderella, at The Albert Halls, Bolton but returned to Torquay in 2018, appearing as King Eggbert The Oval in Sleeping Beauty.

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Giambra

Giambra is a surname. Notable people with the surname include:

 * Joel Giambra (born 1957), American politician
 * Joey Giambra (1931–2018), American boxer
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Siege of Clonmel

The siege of Clonmel, from 27 April to 18 May 1650, took place during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland, when Clonmel in County Tipperary was besieged by 8,000 men from the New Model Army under Oliver Cromwell. The garrison of 1,500 commanded by Hugh Dubh O'Neill eventually surrendered after inflicting heavy casualties on the besiegers.

O'Neill escaped with some of his troops, but although the Irish Confederate Wars continued until 1653, Clonmel ended effective Royalist resistance in Ireland, and Cromwell returned to England immediately afterwards.

Background
The garrison at Clonmel changed as the arrival of the Puritan army through Kilkenny became imminent. In November 1649, the town's Mayor John Bennet White wrote to the Duke of Ormond seeking military assistance. Colonel Oliver Stephenson and part of the old Confederate army, mostly from County Clare, took up quarters. The southern Confederates were not fully trusted by the townspeople, particularly after the fall of Carrick on Suir due to treachery. Ormond arrived in person at the end of the month and the Clare men were replaced by experienced soldiers from Ulster under O'Neill, a veteran of siege warfare in the Thirty Years' War. Under his command were 1,500 soldiers from the Irish Ulster army, mostly from the modern counties of Tyrone and Cavan. These two regiments had served under Owen Roe O'Neill and were now led by his nephew. They were accompanied by two troops of cavalry under Colonel Edmond Fennell of Ballygriffin, County Cork. O'Neill sent reinforcements to some outlying fortifications at Ballydine, Kilcash and 'Castle Caonagh' (Mountain Castle). Even before the siege commenced, provisioning the new influx was causing difficulties, Ormond proving unable to adequately supply them. As other walled towns in the vicinity capitulated with little resistance, tension in the town rose as evidenced by correspondence between O'Neill and Ormond. "May it please your Excellencie.

This day I received your letter of the 25th of this instant [February]. Since my last letter to your Excie. I have not to intimate more than that Cahir was yielded without shot or blowe upon what conditions I knowe not, which I believe your Excie knows ere nowe, likewise Kilteenan was beseedged eare yesternight and yielded yesterdaye morninge about nyne of the clocke. All their armye is within a myle to the towne, and the rest are cominge to them, in great hast they have sent a number of horse and oxen for more cannons. Wee expect nothinge else but bee besieged every houre they having nowe noe other place to ayme at but this. Your Excie may knowe in what condicon wee are and the consequence of this place to the Kingdom which requires a speedy succour all which I humbly referre to your Lordshipps grave consideratacon I humbly take leave and remayne

Your Excies most humble servt,

Hugo O'Neill

Clonmell ultimo [28th] February"

To which Ormond responded in the following terms : "Sir – Your letter of the last of February intimating your expectation of suddainly besieged I received not till about nine of the clock this morning. In answeare whereunto I thinke fitt to assure you by these that rather then that towne should fall into the hands of the rebels I shall draw all the forces of the Kingdome into a body for its reliefe which I shall endeavour soe to effect as in ten dayes to be in a readiness to advance to towards you, relying on your uttermost endeavours to defend that place during that tyme though you should as you expect be closely besieged and soe deseiring to heare as frequently from you as possibly you may.

I remaine

Your very affectionate friend, Ormond.

Ennis 5 March about 12 in the forenoone."

Cromwell was in a hurry to take the town as he had been summoned back to England by Parliament to deal with a Royalist uprising there. As a result, he tried to take Clonmel immediately by assault, rather than opt for a lengthy siege.

Assault
Cromwell's artillery, positioned on a hill near present-day Melview, battered a breach in the town walls. It was intended that his infantry would storm this breach and then open the nearby North town gate to allow access to Cromwell and the Parliamentarian cavalry.

However, O'Neill put all able-bodied townspeople to work building a coupure inside the breach lined with artillery, muskets, and pikemen. The coupure was V-shaped, starting at the mouth of the breach and narrowing until it ended about 50 metres inside the town. At the end of the breach, O'Neill positioned two cannon, loaded with chain-shot. The area behind the breach became, in military terms, a "killing field". The Parliamentarian infantry which assaulted the breach was engaged by pikemen and repeatedly cut down by marksmen on the earthworks behind until the soldiers finally refused to make any further attacks on what was a death trap. Cromwell then appealed to his elite cavalry, the Ironsides to make a fresh assault on foot. This time the Irish allowed them to enter at first without resistance.

A British officer of Sir John Clotworthy's regiment described the entry of the Ironsides into the town, the bulk of them belonging to Ireton's regiment. "They entered without any opposition and but few were to be seen in the town till they so entered, that the lane was crammed full with horsemen armed with helmets, back breastswords, musquetoons, and pistols. On which those in front seeing themselves in a pound and could not make their way further cryed out "Halt Halt!" On which those entering behind at the breach thought by those words that all those of the garrison were running away cryed out "Advance Advance" as fast as those before cryed out "Halt Halt" and so advanced until they trust forward those before them till that pound or lane was full and could hold no more. Then suddenly rushes a resolute party of pikes and musqueteers to the breach and scoured off and knocked back those entering. On which instance Hugh Duff's men within fell on those in the pound with shotts, pikes, scythes, stones and casting of great long pieces of timber with the engines amongst them and then two guns firing at them from the end of the pound, slaughtering them by the middle or knees with chained bullets that in less than an hours time about a thousand men were killed in that pound being a top one another."

Cromwell was with a second assault force waiting for the town North (or Lough) gate to be opened by the party that had stormed the breach. When he saw that the initial assault had failed and that as night was approaching, even if the disheartened soldiers could be persuaded to enter the breach once more, he judged that it would be futile against the internal defences without artillery support so he decided to end the assault for the day.

Surrender
Cromwell knew that O'Neill's garrison and supplies were severely depleted and planned the next morning to try a fresh assault with close artillery support to batter the coupure and its defenders. However, O'Neill's men were out of ammunition and slipped away under the cover of darkness – making their way to Waterford. Cromwell negotiated a surrender with the town's mayor, John White, believing that Clonmel was still heavily defended. The surrender terms stipulated that the lives and property of the townspeople would be respected. After agreeing to the surrender terms, Cromwell found out that O'Neill and the Confederates had slipped away and that he had been deceived. Although he was angry, Cromwell made his men abide by the terms of the surrender agreement and treat the townspeople and their property with respect.

Aftermath
After five weeks of close investment and nearly three months since the first elements of the New Model Army appeared before the town the New Model Army's losses were between 2,000 and 2,500, with hundreds more wounded, its largest ever loss in a single action.

General references

 * Chapter XIX Note: This is a "historical novel," and not a contemporary eyewitness account.
 * Chapter XIX Note: This is a "historical novel," and not a contemporary eyewitness account.
 * Chapter XIX Note: This is a "historical novel," and not a contemporary eyewitness account.
 * Chapter XIX Note: This is a "historical novel," and not a contemporary eyewitness account.
 * Chapter XIX Note: This is a "historical novel," and not a contemporary eyewitness account.

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Leilani Dowding

Leilani Dowding (born 30 January 1980) is an English former beauty pageant titleholder, former glamour model, media personality and conservative commentator. After winning Miss Great Britain 1998 and representing the United Kingdom at Miss Universe 1998, she dropped out of college to pursue a career in glamour modelling, appearing as a Page 3 girl in The Sun and featuring in men's magazines such as Maxim and FHM. She later appeared on US and British reality television programmes including Tough Love Miami and The Real Housewives of Cheshire. She has become known as a conservative commentator and anti-vaccine campaigner. She also contributes to media associated with Mark Steyn.

Early life
Dowding is multiracial, with a Filipina mother and a British father. She grew up in Bournemouth, where she attended St Peter's Catholic School. After attaining eleven GCSEs and three A-levels, she began an economics degree at Royal Holloway, University of London, with the intention of becoming a city trader. At age 18, she entered and won the 1998 Miss Great Britain competition. She represented Britain in the Miss Universe pageant in Hawaii later that year.

Career
Following her success in beauty pageants, Dowding dropped out of university to pursue a full-time modelling career. She started appearing as a Page 3 girl in The Sun in 1999. In 2003, she was rated #89 on the FHM Sexiest Women in The World list.

Dowding has featured as a guest on various television shows, modelling on The Big Breakfast and This Morning, and appearing on Faking It, Celebrity Wrestling and Celebrity Fear Factor. She appeared on a charity Page 3 episode of The Weakest Link, competing on behalf of the RSPCA and breast cancer charities.

She has featured in pantomime, playing Tiger Lilly in Peter Pan. She has competed in celebrity poker tournaments and has done promotional work for Ladbrokes. Her reality television work has included the US show Tough Love Miami and the British programme The Real Housewives of Cheshire. She also established her own clothing line, the Leiluna Collection. Since 2022, she has been a conservative commentator on media hosted by Mark Steyn.

Personal life
Dowding has dated a number of footballers and became known as a "WAG" in the British tabloid press. She was engaged to former Wimbledon and Northern Ireland defender Mark Williams but ended their two-year relationship after he allegedly had an affair with glamour model Linsey Dawn McKenzie. Williams and McKenzie subsequently married. Dowding was also engaged to former Arsenal, West Ham and Middlesbrough attacker Jérémie Aliadière.

During the Covid-19 pandemic, Dowding stated on twitter that "fat people cause the most strain on the NHS" and blamed them for, "making lockdown longer".

She lived in the United States for over a decade, where she was briefly married to American actor and restaurateur Richie Palmer, a former husband of actress Raquel Welch. While living in California, she began dating Billy Duffy, lead guitarist of British rock band The Cult. She became engaged to Duffy in 2020. The couple moved back to the UK and live in Manchester. She has stated that she wishes to remain childfree.

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