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Manius Acilius Glabrio (consul 191 BC)

Manius Acilius Glabrio was a plebeian Roman politician and general during the Republican. He served as consul in 191 BC while Rome was at war with the Seleucid Empire. He defeated Emperor Antiochus the Great at Thermopylae, helping establish Roman unipolar control over the Mediterranean, and was awarded a triumph. Credible accusations that he had embezzled spoils from his conquests in Greece while consul caused him to withdraw from his attempt to run for censor, after which he largely retired from public life.

He and his son—who later served as suffect consul—were responsible for the construction of Rome's Temple of Piety beside the Forum Olitorium. One of its decorations was a gilt statue of Acilius Glabrio, the first such golden statue of a citizen in Rome.

Name
Manius was a less common praenomen of both patricians and plebeians, abbreviated at first as ꟿ and then as M'. The cognomen Glabrio—apparently first ascribed to this figure—derived from the Latin adjective ("smooth, slick") and presumably indicated baldness, although it has been suggested it may have intended effeminately hairless instead.

Life
Manius Acilius Glabrio was born in the 3rd century BC to a plebeian family. He was the first in his family to attain the consulship, making him a "new man" (novus homo). He served as tribune of the plebs in 201, as plebeian aedile in 197, and as praetor peregrinus in 196. During his praetorship, he suppressed a slave revolt in Etruria.

Glabrio was elected consul for 191 BC with Publius Cornelius Scipio Nasica. A series of disputes had led the Aetolian League to invite the Seleucid emperor Antiochus III to liberate, in their framing, Greece from Roman domination; this was a view little shared by other Greeks, who after the Second Macedonian War had largely been left to their own affairs. From a decree of the senate, the consuls brought the question of war with Antiochus to the people and after its passage Glabrio drew its command. After landing in Thessaly, Glabrio then defeated Antiochus at Thermopylae, compelling Antiochus to withdraw across the Aegean to Ephesus. He then moved against the city-states of the Aetolian League who had resisted Roman hegemony. He captured Heraclea by the early summer, attempted peace negotiations, and then—when those failed—besieged Naupactus. In September, the former consul Titus Quinctius Flamininus—the chief victor of the Second Macedonian War—was approached to seek a truce, allowing the Aetolians to send embassies to Rome to negotiate a peace agreement. Glabrio accepted the offer, lifted the siege, and sent his own envoys back to Rome for the discussions. The negotiations fell through and the war continued. Glabrio was prorogued as a proconsul for the next year to continue military operations. While in Greece, he provided gifts to Delphi and its oracle. Considered by the Romans to have dealt moderately with the Greeks, showing leniency and self-restraint during and after the war, he was given a triumph on his return to Rome. This Roman defeat of the most powerful remaining Diadochi state has been considered the establishment of Roman unipolar control over the Mediterranean litoral.

While consul, he was also responsible for the lex Acilia, which placed responsibility for intercalation of the Roman calendar with the college of pontiffs. This was necessary because the calendar was sometimes manipulated by the Senate for political ends, speeding or delaying elections or limiting or extending terms in office, and could fall far out of sync with the seasons.

In 189 BC, the year after his service as proconsul in Greece, he attempted to stand for the censorship. He was, however, accused by the plebeian tribunes of having concealed a portion of the Greek spoils in his own house and, after one of his legates gave evidence against him, he withdrew from the race and, on the basis of surviving records, seems to have withdrawn almost entirely from public life. His death is not recorded but probably occurred sometime after 175 BC.

Legacy
Following his victory at Thermopylae, Acilius Glabrio made a sacred vow to establish a temple dedicated to piety (pietas) in Rome. His son Manius Acilius Glabrio completed and consecrated the temple as a duumvir in 181 BC. This Temple of Piety stood at the northern end of the Forum Olitorium, the Roman vegetable market, until it was demolished by Julius Caesar to make way for what would eventually become the Theater of Marcellus. The temple seems to have been moved or rebuilt, however, as its services are still recorded well into the imperial era.

The gilt statue of Manius Acilius Glabrio in front of the temple was the first gold statue of a Roman citizen in the city. Ammianus Marcellinus further credits Acilius Glabrio with introducing the practice of gilding to the city's artisans.

His son was elected suffect consul in 154 BC. Other descendants served as consul in the Late Republic and the Imperial Age, and the Acilii Glabriones have been described as the very longest-lived clan in ancient Roman politics. The family estates led to modern name of Acilia, a frazione of Rome between the city center and the seaport of Ostia.

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Jaye P. Morgan

Jaye P. Morgan (born Mary Margaret Morgan; December 3, 1931 ) is a retired American popular music singer, actress, and game show panelist.

Early life
Morgan was born in Mancos in Montezuma County in far southwestern Colorado. Her family moved to California by the time she was in high school. Morgan had six siblings; five brothers and one sister. In the late 1940s, at Verdugo Hills High School in the Tujunga neighborhood of Los Angeles, she served as class treasurer (and got the nickname "Jaye P." after the banker J. P. Morgan) and sang at school assemblies, accompanied by her brother on guitar. She was married briefly to Michael Baiano from 1954-1955.

Career

In 1953, Morgan made a recording of "Life Is Just a Bowl of Cherries" issued by Derby Records, which made it to #26 on the U.S. Billboard record chart. Soon after, she received an RCA Victor recording contract, and she had five hits in one year, including her biggest hit "That's All I Want from You", which reached #3 on the chart. Other notable hits included "There's a Dream in My Heart" by Rolande Maxwell Young, "The Longest Walk" and "Pepper Hot Baby". In 1954, she married Michael Baiano. She joined MGM Records in 1959 after spending the previous six years with RCA Victor.

From 1954 to 1955, Morgan was a vocalist on the ABC television series show Stop the Music. In November 1955, the British music magazine, NME, reported that Morgan was the top female vocalist in the U.S. Cash Box poll. Beginning January 11, 1954, she was a featured singer on the Robert Q. Lewis Show on CBS-TV.

In 1956, she had her own show, The Jaye P. Morgan Show, and made guest appearances on a number of other variety shows. She was a charter member of the Robert Q. Lewis "gang" on Lewis's weekday program on CBS, and was featured on a special episode of The Jackie Gleason Show in which Lewis's entire company substituted for the vacationing Gleason. In 1958, Morgan appeared on ABC's The Pat Boone Chevy Showroom. On October 6, 1960, she guest starred on NBC's The Ford Show, Starring Tennessee Ernie Ford.

In 1961, Morgan was cast as Sally Dwight in the episode "Money and the Minister" of the CBS anthology series, General Electric Theater, hosted by Ronald Reagan. In 1962, she played Patty Maxwell in "Patti's Tune" of the CBS military sitcom/drama Hennesey, starring Jackie Cooper. That same year, she was cast as Kitty Flanders in "That's Showbiz" on NBC's The Joey Bishop Show. In 1964, Morgan was cast as Ruth Evans in the episode "Sunday Father" of the NBC medical drama The Eleventh Hour. She spent considerable time in the 1960s making nightclub appearances. In 1966, she guest starred on CBS's My Three Sons as fading singer Claudia Farrell in the episode "A Falling Star".

In 1973, Morgan played herself in the episode "The Songwriter" of the sitcom, The Odd Couple. She appeared as Magda Valentine in the 1973 film The All-American Boy.

Morgan guest starred on The Muppet Show in 1978, where she sang "That Old Black Magic" as a duet with Dr. Teeth.

Morgan had smaller roles in films including Loose Shoes (1980), Night Patrol (1984), and Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992).

Morgan made numerous appearances on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson.

Game show panelist
One of Morgan's first appearances as a game show panelist was on the 1970 pilot for "The Honeymoon Game" (a then re-working of earlier pilots for The Joker's Wild). She represented the category of Music on the show, asking questions to the contestants in that category.

From 1976 to 1978, Morgan was a regular panelist on The Gong Show, in which she achieved notoriety for flashing her breasts while on live camera during a Gene, Gene, the Dancing Machine skit. NBC banned her from the program for the flashing incident. The 1980 "behind-the-scenes" The Gong Show Movie features the breast-flashing footage.

Morgan also appeared on the Playboy Channel game show Everything Goes, and with her former Gong Show partner Jamie Farr on Hollywood Squares Game Show Week II in 2004.

Morgan appeared as herself in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, a 2003 semi-biographical film about the life of Chuck Barris, creator of The Gong Show, The Dating Game, and The Newlywed Game.

She also appeared on Rhyme and Reason, Match Game, Make Me Laugh.

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Aprepitant

Aprepitant, sold under the brand name Emend among others, is a medication used to prevent chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting and to prevent postoperative nausea and vomiting. It may be used together with ondansetron and dexamethasone. It is taken by mouth or administered by intravenous injection.

Common side effects include tiredness, loss of appetite, diarrhea, abdominal pain, hiccups, itchiness, pneumonia, and blood pressure changes. Other severe side effects may include anaphylaxis. While use in pregnancy does not appear to be harmful, such use has not been well studied. Aprepitant belongs to the class of neurokinin-1 receptor antagonists medications. It works by blocking substance P from attaching to the NK1 receptors.

Aprepitant was approved for medical use in the European Union and the United States in 2003. It is made by Merck & Co. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.

Medical uses
Aprepitant is used to prevent chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting and to prevent postoperative nausea and vomiting. It may be used together with ondansetron and dexamethasone.

Mechanism of action
Aprepitant is classified as an NK1 antagonist because it blocks signals given off by NK1 receptors. This, therefore, decreases the likelihood of vomiting in patients.

NK1 is a G protein-coupled receptor located in the central and peripheral nervous system. This receptor has a dominant ligand known as Substance P (SP). SP is a neuropeptide, composed of 11 amino acids, which sends impulses and messages from the brain. It is found in high concentrations in the vomiting center of the brain, and, when activated, it results in a vomiting reflex. In addition to this it also plays a key part in the transmission of pain impulses from the peripheral receptors to the central nervous system.

Aprepitant has been shown to inhibit both the acute and delayed emesis induced by cytotoxic chemotherapeutic drugs by blocking substance P landing on receptors in the brain's neurons. Positron emission tomography (PET) studies, have demonstrated that aprepitant can cross the blood brain barrier and bind to NK1 receptors in the human brain. It has also been shown to increase the activity of the 5-HT3 receptor antagonists ondansetron and the corticosteroid dexamethasone, which are also used to prevent nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy.

Pharmacokinetics
Before clinical testing, a new class of therapeutic agent has to be characterized in terms of preclinical metabolism and excretion studies. Average bioavailability is found to be around 60-65%. Aprepitant is metabolized primarily by CYP3A4 with minor metabolism by CYP1A2 and CYP2C19. Seven metabolites of aprepitant, which are only weakly active, have been identified in human plasma. As a moderate inhibitor of CYP3A4, aprepitant can increase plasma concentrations of co-administered medicinal products that are metabolized through CYP3A4. Specific interaction has been demonstrated with oxycodone, where aprepitant both increased the efficacy and worsened the side effects of oxycodone; however it is unclear whether this is due to CYP3A4 inhibition or through its NK-1 antagonist action. Following IV administration of a 14C-labeled prodrug of aprepitant (L-758298), which is converted rapidly and completely to aprepitant, approximately 57% of the total radioactivity is excreted in the urine and 45% in feces. No unchanged substance is excreted in urine.

Structure and properties
Aprepitant is made up of a morpholine core with two substituents attached to adjacent ring carbons. These substitute groups are trifluoromethylated 1-phenylethanol and fluorophenyl group. Aprepitant also has a third substituent (triazolinone), which is joined to the morpholine ring nitrogen. It has three chiral centres very close together, which combine to produce an amino acetal arrangement. Its empirical formula is C23H21F7N4O3.

Synthesis
Shortly after Merck initiated research into reducing the severity and likelihood of chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, researchers discovered that aprepitant is effective in prevention. Researchers worked on coming up with a process to create aprepitant, and within a short period they came up with effective synthesis of the substance. This original synthesis was deemed to be workable and proved to be a crucial step in achieving commercialization; however, Merck decided that the process was not environmentally sustainable. This was due to the original synthesis requiring six steps, many of which needed dangerous chemicals such as sodium cyanide, dimethyltitanocene, and gaseous ammonia. In addition to this, for the process to be effective cryogenic temperatures were needed for some of the steps and other steps produced hazardous byproducts such as methane. The environmental concerns of the synthesis of aprepitant became so great that Merck research team decided to withdraw the drug from clinical trials and attempt to create a different synthesis of aprepitant.

The gamble of taking the drug out of clinical trials proved to be successful when shortly afterwards the team of Merck researchers came up with an alternative and more environmentally friendly synthesis of aprepitant. The new process works by four compounds of similar size and complexity being fused together. This therefore is a much simpler process and requires only three steps, half the number of the original synthesis.

The new process begins by enantiopure trifluoromethylated phenyl ethanol being joined to a racemic morpholine precursor. This results in the desired isomer crystallizing on the top of the solution and the unwanted isomer remaining in the solution. The unwanted isomer is then converted to the desired isomer through a crystallization-induced asymmetric transformation. By the end of this step a secondary amine, the base of the drug, is formed.

The second step involves the fluorophenyl group being attached to the morpholine ring. Once this has been achieved the third and final step can initiated. This step involved a side chain of triazolinone being added to the ring. Once this step has been successfully completed a stable molecule of aprepitant has been produced.

This more streamlined route yields around 76% more aprepitant than the original process and reduces the operating cost by a significant amount. In addition, the new process also reduces the amount of solvent and reagents required by about 80% and saving an estimated 340,000L per ton of aprepitant produced.

The improvements in the synthesis process have also decreased the long-term detriment to the natural environment associated with the original procedure, due to eliminating the use of several hazardous chemicals.

History
It was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 2003. In 2008, fosaprepitant, an intravenous form of aprepitant was approved in the United States.

Major depression
Plans to develop aprepitant as an antidepressant have been withdrawn. Subsequently, other trials with NK1 receptor antagonists, casopitant and orvepitant, have shown promising results.

Beyond suggestions that PET receptor occupancy must not be used routinely to cap dosing for new medical indications for this class, or that > 99% human receptor occupancy might be required for consistent psycho-pharmacological or other therapeutic effects, critical scientific dissection and debate of the above data might be needed to enable aprepitant, and the class of NK1 antagonists as a whole, to fulfill preclinically predicted utilities beyond chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting (i.e., for other psychiatric disorders, addictions, neuropathic pain, migraine, osteoarthritis, overactive bladder, inflammatory bowel disease and other disorders with suspected inflammatory or immunological components. However, most data remain proprietary and thus reviews on the expanded clinical potential for drugs like aprepitant range from optimistic to poor.

Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome
Aprepitant has been identified as having strong potential in treating protracted vomiting episodes in individuals with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome. This syndrome is characterized by nausea, cyclical vomiting, and cramping abdominal pain resulting from prolonged, frequent cannabis use.

Standard first-line anti-emetics such as ondansetron and prochlorperazine are often ineffective in treating cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome.

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User:Leyanese/Identity

I've been hanging around Wikipedia anonymously for a few years, and over that time I've probably edited 100 articles, translated 10 from French, and written 3 to 5 from scratch. The fact that I've done this all without anyone knowing or caring who I am still amazes me. It's the fufillment of the dream of invisibility, which finally answers the ancient puzzle: If one had a ring of invisibility, would the user stay moral, or would she succumb to evil knowing that she can't be caught? Apparently morals truly do lie beyond one's reputation.

For others, invisibility is apparently not such a dream. In Why create an account?, it notes that "People's opinions differ on the desirability of perfect anonymity. Some people find anonymity reduces perceived accountability, which can lead to unproductive behaviour. Some people find contributing without having a fixed identity to be disempowering and unpleasant. Creating an account is one way to resolve such feelings."

Creating an account and having my name tied to my contributions, on the other hand, makes me somewhat stressed. I suddenly feel tied down. People will glance at my contributions page, which currently has Michel Butor, Le Monde, Nouveau roman, Waybill, and Virginia Wolf, and make an assumption that the fact that I've edited those particular topics says something about me or my interests. That perception would be entirely false; I've never listened to Virgina Wolf nor read Virginia Woolf, I do not read or care for Le Monde, and at the moment I don't even remember who Michel Butor is. I've used a waybill in the past; I imagine I researched it when I saw the word somewhere out of context and made some grammatical edits to the article as I read it. Nouveau Roman, on the other hand, is indicative, since I edited it as I was studying Nathalie Sarraute. (I see now that Michel Butor was an writer associated with Nouveau Roman whose stub I must have added to to make it more consistent with the main NR article.)

Then there are the omissions, the articles that I've not only contributed to but written that do truly reflect my interests and knowledge. I never minded not receiving acknowledgement for having written them, but now that I am asserting an identity, I feel dishonest for not disclosing those items I really am proud of.

This is my problem with identity. It is incomplete, inaccurate, and misleading by its very nature, yet my culture ascribes extreme importance to this nebulous concept. When I had no identity to enclose myself within, I had infinite room for everything that I've done and that I am, as well as the possibilities inherent in everything that I haven't and that I'm not. Still. as long as the possibility exists for me to continue editing anonymously, I can always slip back into that realm of invisbility, where I am not held accountable for what I do and be all the more delighted that I do it anyway.

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Sun Boy

Sun Boy (Dirk Morgna) is a superhero appearing in media published by DC Comics, primarily as a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes in the 30th and 31st centuries. He has the ability to generate internal solar energy to whatever degree he wishes, from enough to light a single candle to enough to melt nearly any obstacle.

Sun Boy first appeared in 1961 during the Silver Age of Comic Books.

Publication history
Sun Boy first appeared in Action Comics #276 (as a cameo in a Supergirl story) and was created by Jerry Siegel and Jim Mooney. His first full appearance (albeit as an impostor) is in Adventure Comics #290.

Silver Age
Dirk Morgna's father owns a nuclear power plant, where he works as a helper. While he is delivering supplies to one of the plant's scientists, Dr. Zaxton Regulus, the machine the scientist is working on explodes resulting in the death of fellow worker Zarl Hendricks. Dr. Regulus blames the accident, and his subsequent dismissal, on the interruption. He tries to gain revenge on Dirk by throwing him in an atomic reactor; however, due to Dirk's "one-in-a-million genetic structure" instead of killing him, the radiation gives him the power to generate heat and light.

Dirk applies for the Legion, as Sun Boy, but is rejected as he has only demonstrated his ability to generate light. He is later accepted when he shows his heat-generation ability.

"Five Years Later"
During the "Five Year Gap" following the Magic Wars, Sun Boy becomes leader of the Legion amidst a series of defections which results in his resignation. Soon afterwards, Sun Boy is hired by Earthgov as a public relations liaison, using his good looks and popularity to spin public opinion. Earthgov is revealed to be under Dominator control and Dirk complies with their demands despite personal misgivings. When the truth is revealed, he is branded a traitor to the Legion and Earth. Dirk is later exposed to a fatal dose of radiation when a powersphere explodes next to him during the destruction of the Moon. He is killed by his sometime lover Circe, in an act of euthanasia. His corpse is later animated for a short time by former teammate Wildfire.

Shortly before Dirk's death, the members of the Dominators' highly classified "Batch SW6" escaped captivity. Originally, Batch SW6 appeared to be a group of teenage Legionnaire clones, created from samples apparently taken just prior to Ferro Lad's death at the hands of the Sun-Eater. Later, they were revealed to be time-paradox duplicates, every bit as legitimate as their older counterparts. After Earth was destroyed in a disaster reminiscent of the destruction of Krypton over a millennium earlier, a few dozen surviving cities and their inhabitants reconstituted their world as New Earth. The SW6 Legionnaires remained, and their version of Sun Boy assumed the code name Inferno.

Inferno made an appearance in Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #5, among many Legionnaires from throughout the Multiverse.

Post-Zero Hour
In post-Zero Hour continuity, Dirk Morgna is a supporting character, who occasionally gains "Sun Boy" powers, but is not a member of the Legion.

Again blaming Dirk for his dismissal, Dr. Regulus attempts to kill Dirk by injecting him with radioactive gold. This instead causes him to glow white hot, blinding Regulus. He is unable to control this power and has to wear a special suit to protect others from it. While helping the Legion battle Regulus, he uses up all the energy and returns to normal.

Dirk returns in Legionnaires #71 (May 1999), in which he is possessed by an elemental spirit called Ph'yr, one of the four Elements of Disaster, and turns into a living humanoid fireball. The elementals wish to gain Mordru's power. Dirk manages to regain control, and helps the Legion and the stone elemental Brika/Roxx defeat the two who had given themselves over to the elemental spirits.

Threeboot
In the 2004 revised Legion continuity, unlike the rest of his Legion comrades, Dirk Morgna's parents openly support the galactic movement the Legion represents. Joining the Legion as Sun Boy, Cosmic Boy names him the group's field leader. Confused as to whether or not his Legion membership is his desire or that of his parents, Dirk ultimately opts to resign from the group. He then decides to help the myriad of exiled descendants living in "otherspace" in the wake of the defeat of their leader, Praetor Lemnos. Ruefully, the Legion accedes to his request, but hope that Dirk will eventually return to their ranks.

Dirk and his associates are kidnapped by the Dominators, who wish to steal their powers, but they are rescued by the Legion and the Wanderers.

Sun Boy returns to the Legion and reveals that he has had all remaining members of Terra Firma arrested. His return is put to a vote per his request.

This version of Sun Boy was killed by Superboy-Prime in Legion of Three Worlds #3. His body is later revived as part of the Black Lantern Corps in Adventure Comics (vol. 2) #4.

Post-Infinite Crisis
The events of the Infinite Crisis miniseries have restored a close analogue of the Pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths Legion to continuity, as seen in "The Lightning Saga" story arc in Justice League of America and Justice Society of America, and in the "Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes" story arc in Action Comics. In the latter storyline, Sun Boy had been captured by Earth Man and plugged into a machine, which used his powers to turn many of the suns in the galaxy red. Sun Boy is later rescued by his teammates.

Legion of Three Worlds
In the Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds storyline, which follows on from Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes, Sun Boy is shown to have been deeply weakened and traumatised by his imprisonment, to the point where he cannot use his powers anymore. To this end, Dirk hands in his Flight Ring, effectively resigning from the Legion. In the course of the adventure, the other two Legions are pulled in to battle the Legion of Super-Villains. During the fight, the "Threeboot" Sun Boy is frozen solid and crushed to pieces by Superboy-Prime, causing the elder Dirk pain. Soon after, Dirk decides to don his flight ring again, and joins the fight, just in time to save Polar Boy from death at the hands of Superboy-Prime.

Aftermath
In the new Legion of Super-Heroes ongoing series, Sun Boy is one of many Legionnaires appalled by the Earth Government forcing the Legion to take on Earth-Man as a member. Still incensed over the way he was used, Sun Boy is steadfastly disgusted by Earth-Man's place on the team, even after the former criminal saves him from a Xenophobe attack. However, during an attack from the xenophobe group "Earthforce", Sun Boy saves Earth-Man from certain death, declaring that "The Legion takes care of its own". Sun Boy perishes in a starcruiser crash on a strange planet; his body is later cooked and eaten by the planet's sentient inhabitants.

In the "Watchmen" sequel "Doomsday Clock", Sun Boy is among the Legion of Super-Heroes members that appear in the present after Doctor Manhattan undid the experiment that erased the Legion of Super-Heroes and the Justice Society of America.

Powers and abilities
Sun Boy can internally generate a seemingly limitless amount of electromagnetic radiation, both heat and visible light. He is also immune to virtually all forms of heat and radiation (except when he was killed off during the "Five-Year-Gap" era).

Weaknesses
Sun Boy's power to radiate light and heat can be reflected back on him by mirrors, jewels and creatures that are reflective. If he increases his radiating power to full strength he can crack mirrors in these situations. One limit to his power is that he cannot risk melting metal in proximity to any persons, since the intense heat required would be lethal.

Though it rarely came up given his ability, Dirk was revealed to suffer from nyctophobia.

Equipment
As a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes, he is provided a Legion Flight Ring. It allows him to fly and protects him from the vacuum of space and other dangerous environments, and was additionally modified by Brainiac 5 to be heat resistant.

In other media

 * Sun Boy makes non-speaking appearances in Legion of Super Heroes. This version sports long hair and yellow eyes with black sclera. Additionally, he gains fiery hair whenever he uses his powers and leaves a fiery trail behind him as he flies.
 * Sun Boy appears in the one-shot comic Batman '66 Meets the Legion of Super-Heroes.

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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers/Archive 13

Eras
Stating use BP or MYA for prehistory is too vague. Use MYA, then kYA (thousand years ago - especially useful when talking about the Mesolithic), then BP. Then in late prehistory, start using BC, optionally for the Neolithic, definitely anything about the Bronze Age or Iron Age.

Another issue is that authorities differ on use of BCE. Some people use it interchangeably with BC. Some academics, however, (notably a certain prehistorian in my department), insist there is a year 0 CE (but not AD 0, 0 BC, or 0 BCE), meaning that if someone writes 404 BCE, it is ambiguous as to whether they meant 404 BC or 405 BC. The relevance of this discrepancy is limited almost solely to the Mediterannean after about the 8th Century BC, so in most cases the ambiguity doesn't matter.

Another thing which might need mentioning is that bc and ad mean totally different things from BC and AD. 1500 bc isn't the same as 1500 BC, nor is 1400 bc exactly a century after 1500 bc. Lower case bc and ad refer to uncalibrated radiocarbon dates, and should strictly speaking be quoted with a standard error. You will also see a (rather confusing) convention of giving uncalibrated radiocarbon dates in BP (as radiocarbon dating being of use doesn't overlap TOO much with the part of prehistory in which one starts talking about BP rather than BC) and calibrated ones in Cal AD and Cal BC.

Anyway, the article as it stands is a bit simplistic on eras, so some of this at least probably should go in. (Anonymous comment from 82.36.26.229)

 * I added kYA and a note about BCE not having a year 0. I didn't act on your other comments: the Manual of Style can't and shouldn't explain everything, lest its length prevent people from reading and following it. The details of prehistoric dating, and of calibrated and uncalibrated dating should have articles in the encyclopedia proper to which the Manual of Style can briefly refer (in the way it currently refers to detailed articles at New Year and Gregorian calendar). Perhaps you would like to expand the relevant sections at Prehistory and Radiocarbon dating? Gdr 11:36, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

 * I've reverted your additions. I think kYA is little known and do not think we should encourage using it. Instead of encouraging more usage of confusing abbreviations we should discourage them. This also applies to usage of BP, MYA, etc. (at least unless those terms are defined when first used in an article). On the BCE point, I'm not sure we need a comment to disambiguate from the usage by one prehistorian. Although, if there really is a body of academics who use the term differently from everyone else, perhaps we should change and require BC/AD. jguk 19:55, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Requiring BC/AD is no solution. Until quite recently, virtually all Maya historians assumed that a year zero existed between BC and AD as can be seen by the ubiquitous statement that the epoch of the Long Count of the Maya calendar was in 3113 BC, whereas it is in 3114 BC when no year zero is used. One historian narrowed it a bit by explicitly stating, in print, that a year zero does exist between BC and AD in the Gregorian calendar but not in the Julian calendar. The current statement that "there was no year 0" in the Wikipedia timeline is acceptable, and the link serves as a disambiguation for other year zeros which do exist in astronomical year numbering, and Hindu and Buddhist calendars. — Joe Kress 20:32, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't think anyone was seriously suggesting a 0 BC or AD 0. If what you say is true, it sounds like a genuine mistake. I was surprised at the claim that some claimed there was a 0 BCE or 0 CE, but am open to persuasion on the point. jguk 23:25, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Traditional dates.
Perhaps these no special handling, but what is the best way to deal with dates that are tradional within a relgious or other group. Specifically the Mahabharata is tradionally said to have been composed in 1316 BCE. I want to indicate the status of this date, especially in lists where a long discussion of the date is inappropriate. Is "trad. 1316" clear? Also which is better, "c.", "c." or "about". Zeimusu 06:11, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)

 * How about: "The Mahabharata is traditionally said to have been composed in 1316 BCE." Maurreen 06:42, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I just want to note that we shouldn't use the abbreviation "trad." (at least without introducing the term in that article). Though it may seem obvious to you what it means, some people would see it as jargon. The Manual of Style (dates and numbers) suggests we use "c." when identifying an approximate date as opposed to any other abbreviation, but is not explicit in this. You may, however, prefer Maurreen's suggestion anyway. jguk 09:23, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Maurreen's suggestion is good. It would be even better to cite the source for the tradition. For example, "according to Livy, the Roman Republic was founded in 509 BC" (it's a traditional date, but Livy is our best source for the tradition). Another example, from History of Japan: "February 11, 660 BC is the traditional founding date of Japan by Emperor Jinmu Tenno. This however is a version of Japanese history from the country's first written records dating from the 6th to the 8th centuries" Gdr 13:40, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)

 * I've added a note to this effect to the project page. Zeimusu

Superscript ordinals
There seems to be a recent fad for superscripting the suffixes ordinal numbers, making century links read something like, for example. I think this looks particularly ugly, even when browsers don't mess about with the leading to make the text fit. I'd like to suggest we make it a policy not to do this. Opinions? — OwenBlacker 16:39, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree, we should discourage superscripting such suffixes. —AlanBarrett 17:23, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree with OwenBlacker - ban them. Then search for them and deleting them. No point in just discouraging them - people will only say it's not a ban and so has no effect. jguk 18:22, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, ban them. Gdr 11:28, 2004 Nov 25 (UTC)

ISO 8601
The Manual of Style allows dates to be stated in ISO 8601 style, requiring hyphens to separate the year, month, and day, which is the extended format in ISO 8601. When using this form, Wikipedia properly converts the year to the other acceptable forms, but only from year 0001. Although the 1988 first edition did not mention earlier years, the 2000 second edition requires that earlier years be given in astronomical year numbering, with a year 0000 immediately before 0001, and year -0001 immediately before 0000. However, the Wikipedia software does not properly convert these years into the Wikipedia timeline of 2 BC, 1 BC, and 1. Even ignoring the year 0000, the explicit use or a minus sign should signal the software to convert -0010 to 11 BC, but it actually converts -0010 to 9 BC.

In addition, the new edition explicitly requires all dates for years before 1583 to be given in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, yet the Wikipedia software does not convert them into the Julian calendar. Admittedly, most people would probably ignore this latter requirement, and give all early ISO 8601 style dates in whatever form they found them, usually in the Julian calendar. — Joe Kress 21:20, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

 * It would be disastrous for Wikipedia to display or require dates in the proleptic Gregorian calendar. Gdr 22:07, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)

"22:00" or "22:00 hours"
Should times be written with or without "hours" following them? ("It happened at 22:00." or "It happened at 22:00 hours."?) — Flamurai 20:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I would stongly recommend against including the word "hours". It's redundant: the colon, along with the context, will always make it clear that it's a time of day. In spoken English, it occassionally may be helpful to use "hours" to remove ambiguity, but it's never necessary in writing. Indefatigable 21:31, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree; "22:00" is fine.
 * James F. (talk) 03:22, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I concur. I think it's an issue of Americans not being used to the 24-hour format. — Flamurai 06:44, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think "hours" is a US military thing. We're international civilians here, so "22:00" is fine. Gdr 10:13, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)

IX Century
We don't appear to say anything about the use of the form "'roman numeral' century". Is it to be avoided. It shows up a lot in Polish pages I have noted. Rmhermen 04:19, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

 * The well-established practice in English writing is to use Arabic numerals: "14th century". In French, and possibly other European languages such as Polish, Roman numerals are often used ("XIVe siècle").  When you see a Roman numeral, it's probably a non-native user of English accidently bringing the habits from his or her native language, similar to forgetting the capitals on "proper adjectives", such as "english" or "asian".  Roman numerals should be changed to Arabic for uniformity's sake. Indefatigable 05:10, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I have been. I was just wondering if we needed to note this in the Manual of Style. Rmhermen 19:28, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, but not so much for uniformity (if that were such a worthy concern we'd be systematically Americanizing the spelling) as for immediate comprehensibility: Roman numerals beyond about VI are esoteric (and thus slowly decoded) for native speakers of English, being used almost exclusively for
 * pretension (Superbowl XXVII), or
 * being able to prove you provided a date, without having the average reader glance at it and say "gosh, i didn't realize how last-year this is" (All rights reserved, MCMLXXXIV), or
 * clockfaces (but i think that's completely last-century).
 * BTW, the Roman-numeral centuries are German, too, IIRC.
 * --Jerzy(t) 20:05, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)

Percent symbol with space?
Assuming a context where it's inappropriate to write out "percent", what are (or what should be) the guidelines on how to format a number with a "%" symbol? Are there regional or journalistic vs scientific writing styles? I'm confused because NIST (as well as ISO-31) requires a space between the number and the "%", yet you're much more likely to find "10%" instead of "10 %", even in articles that are clearly 'SI'. Femto 13:26, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think using a space is unusual. Maurreen 17:54, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Those guides are already referenced for several other Wikipedia number style issues. So far they're the 'most correct' international English scientific style recommendations that I know of. Obviously, this doesn't appear to be the preferred way of writing the percent symbol, and I don't know which style to use, let alone how to copyedit existing articles. Could there be some clear and simple recommendation in the Manual of Style, and what should it say? Femto 22:46, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * The de facto standard in use in (as far as I know) all English speaking nations is to not use a space. However, there is no readability issue, IMO, either way.

 * If the Manual of Style should recommend anything, it should be not to use a space. However, is there a pressing need for the MoS to specify anything about this topic?  We should avoid instruction creep in situations like this.  So far, we have identified that:

 * Common written English usage is to format without a space
 * Scientific style guides specify the use of a space
 * This is an inconsistency.

 * However, IMO, for something to be included in the style guide, it should be to address actual problems, not just mere inconsistencies. I can't see a problem being identified above, unless one is of the mindset that inconsistencies and lack of clear instruction is a problem.  If we leave well alone and don't put a ruling in the MoS, what are the consequences?  That's what we have to address.  To my mind, the consequences are:

 * Most Wikipedia editors continue to enter percentages as they always do, without spaces. This poses no readability nor intelligibility problems.
 * Some scientifically trained editors used to writing in the style specified by NIST, ISO et al. write percentages as they have been taught to do, with a space. This poses no readability nor intelligibility problems.
 * The overwhelmingly vast proportion of Wikipedia readers neither notice nor care.

 * As far as I can see, the only possible problem is that some over-zealously correct editor takes it upon themselves to reformat all percentages in Wikipedia to conform to their personal preference (spaced or spaceless), and a flamewar erupts. This might be a sufficient future possibility to put a line in the MoS saying 'Both forms are acceptable on Wikipedia', but I think that is the most the MoS needs to say on the subject, and I'm frankly not even convinced it needs to say even that.  —Morven 00:40, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

I agree that the size of the style guide needs to be managed, but I disagree that a style issue has to become a problem to make it worthy of inclusion in the MoS, whose declared purpose is to "make things easy to read by following a consistent format" — There is a format inconsistency (if not a readability problem though, or even a very big one) that cannot be resolved by turning to other sources, but which would be easy to avoid. It should be of equal importance to work towards an uniform article style as it is to keep the rules simple.

The MoS includes many little rules of standard usage that are not necessary (in the sense that they are non-controversial and can be found elsewhere) but which are useful to have all in one place nevertheless. Among them is that, in a non-technical context, percentages should be written in natural language. But nothing about % in a technical context, even though there really are varying standards.

In my opinion the principle of least astonishment should be extended to what is not expected not to find on a page. I came earlier to this guide expecting to find examples on how to write common things such as the degree and percent symbols, but was disappointed there. My suggested edit would be to insert after "The reader should see a space between the value and the unit symbol: thus 25 kg and not 25kg.":
 * An exception are angular (but not temperature) degrees. It is also common practice not to put a space between a number and the "%" percent symbol (against some scientific styles).

and to include in the examples Femto 13:05, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There are 360° to a full circle.
 * The metal alloy melts at 71.7 °C (161 °F) and contains by weight 50% bismuth, 26.7% lead, 13.3% tin, and 10% cadmium.

I confess to not reading the whole debate before sticking in these two points:
 * Logically (he said, with a laugh at the idea of logic ruling any human behavior, let alone speech), the space is offensive. Percent is from Latin, something like "per centum" meaning "for [each] hundred". "16%" means
 * "16 out of a hundred" and thus
 * "percent" modifies "16" into "not really 16, but rather with a frequency of 16/100", whence
 * the odd-looking symbol "%" surely comes from "0/0" which presumably is
 * an impressionistic evocation of "/100", with the "obviously" needed 1 omitted as inferable and redundant, and the order of the remaining 3 symbols changed to speed cursive writing of them. (The fonts i am typing and reading in, and my %-key's label, represent % as simply circles or ovals, and a slash, but i still write it by hand as i was taught, joining the left circle to the top of the slash with a ligature, so they are really more like a "degrees" circle welded to a 7. The ligature helps the reader perceive % as a unit, and speeds writing by saving lifting the pen.)
 * So IMO omitting the space helps strengthen the association between the abstract symbol and its logical and historical meaning (16% is more like a mathematical expression than like "16 meters"), which helps the brain unconsciously assign the correct meaning to it with less competing mental noise like "Wait, what's the role of the space?" and "No, the thing after the space is unrelated to the thing after it." The number and the symbol constitute a unit of meaning (just as ".16" does) and perceiving that meaning is disrupted by separating them (as ". 16" would do).

 * The nature of standards is all over the map:
 * Some exist to encourage adherance to an already dominant practice.
 * Some are mechanisms to forge a mutually beneficial agreement within an industry without running afoul of anti-trust law.
 * Some are futile attempts by idealists to cram what is logical, or illogical but theoretically desirable, down the throats of illogical and self-defeating humans.
 * We should include
 * Wikipedia is not a marketing department for Official Standards.
 * Taking notice of standards is good; acting as if they were laws of nature or otherwise automatically deserving of adherance is just, uh, the kind of behavior that should be expected from people still suffering from the effects of a blow to the head.

--Jerzy(t) 19:26, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. It convinced me that I shall not further pursue the issue whether the Manual of Style should contain examples of common and preferred usage in this case of conflicting styles to choose from. I will strengthen the advance of cultural diversity and aid your cause of clear and thematically coherent contributions to Wikipedia by not following any of the suggestions in its style guide. Femto 21:14, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Links on non-full-length dates and centuries
What is the reason for necessarily linking to a date that is not directly relevant to the context of the article? Links should only be to articles relevant to the context of the article (aside from peculiarities like the date preference feature), and linking to all dates clutters and is makes linking less useful. - Centrx 02:39, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure whether there is a policy, but I agree with you. Maurreen

 * I would agree, except for the fact that this "linking" is what makes the Wikipedia "Preferences" you can set for display of dates on your browser work. Gene Nygaard 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * But that's irrelevant for just links to years, for example. Maurreen 19:48, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Long-term, we might have the ability to transform calendars, as well as displays. Then it would be... a pain to go back through all the text and re-add the links.
 * James F. (talk) 03:43, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Linking dates highlights that you are referring to a date rather than a number. It's not always obvious when some is referring to a date, particularly when dealing with dates in the first millennium, or with round number dates such as 2000 or 1500, jguk 23:17, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * So, then it should be policy that only numbers that are dates should be linked, otherwise there's nothing exclusive about the year linking, and any automated calendar system would be severely flawed..? - Centrx 21:50, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Interesting numbers are located in article names such as 1 (number), 13 (number), 28 (number) and so on. I imagine there's only an occasional need to link to one of these anyway (a mathematical article???) and that where you are linking to them it is obvious from the context that you cannot be referring to the year. I'm not sure what you mean by an automated calendar system, so I can't respond to that point. Kind regards, jguk 22:17, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Whether the article is referring to a date or just a number should be made clear by the writing, not by a link. Even if that is the purpose, it is not well served. Maurreen 04:50, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * The only good reason noted for linking to non-full length dates was that, in the "Long-term, we might have the ability to transform calendars, as well as displays", which is what I mean by automated calendar system, and if that system were in place then the problem would then become links to numbers that aren't dates. Other than that reason given here, it seems there is no good reason to link to non-full-length dates, and if that calendar reason is valid, then it seems that numbers should not be linked to. - Centrx 21:32, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Punk fashion

skizzate punk
about every skater I know listens to punk, and not one of us calls oursleves a "skate punK". in fact, I'd never heard of the term till this page. baggy jeans are soo 1991 either way. thin shoes? naah, spaceman boots are better. checkered shoes dont work because they rip after a day, hence noone skates them. but whatever, I dont care. just my 2 cents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.183.34 (talk) 11:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC) The term skate punk has been around sounds the 80s when it was all about skate or die! I actuly think this whole article about punk fashion is pretty stupited punk is not a fashion its a state of mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.97.167 (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Image
can we get an image/illustration? --Smooth Henry 20:18, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

There are a lot of different types of punks so there is not an image for all. That would be stereotyping in a way. I will try and get pictures of all different types of punks listed. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 14:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Good. Johnny Rotten would be a good candidate for a picture to be put into the 70s punk section.  For 80s hardcore "anti-fashion" I'd pick either Henry Rollins or Ian McKaye.

 * meh a visual representation would be nice though... It would give a nice example of what (yes the stereotypical) punker would look like. If it is correct, then it is not really a stereotype. And plus, nobody really would think of it like that... i think it would actually be expected on a "punk fashion" page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.78.168 (talk) 05:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Red laces
i've heard red laces are considered national front? - I've heard the opposite...that red laces are considered communist...

Removed the phrase "The most blistering punk music" from the Punks against punk fashion section in favor for "Hardcore Punk," which is actually the genre those bands fall into.

 * I've heard that laces help keeping your shoes on your feet. // Liftarn (talk)

Cherry coloured Dr. Martens were popular among skinheads...31.220.203.190 (talk) 20:50, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Stop changing stuff
Stop changing the "pop punk" section, please - Chucks, ties with t-shirts and as belts, black-and-bright-colours hair dye and the others listed are all aspects of modern pop-punk fashion. If you have a problem with the section, post it here; otherwise I will seek semi-protection. Also, I think images are certainly needed. I know images of Sid Vicious are hard to get (a pity since his exemplary expression of the "punk look" was the only reason he even got in the band), but I think Johnny Rotten would do well. Ramones for torn clothing and leather jackets and Siouxie for swastika and bondage gear would probably be good images too. Ian McKaye would do well for hardcore anti-fashion. There must be an image of someone in a spike-and-patches kutte, torn jeans, mohawk and Crass shirt somewhere we can use. Seriously. And a picture of a NOFX fan or something would do for skate punk. --Switch 14:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

categories
Jaymz Allyn: Hey, heres a great Idea, Stop trying to drop us all into a category. It's articles like this that make all the little posers out there think that they can be a punk if they listen to everything that they read. Look, straight forward here, Punk is a culture,,,not a Fasion. You can't drop everything into a category. I am not a fan of pop-punk or Emo, but I tend to ocasionally wear a tie or my Chuck Taylors. I do skateboard almost relegiously, but I don't wear dreadlocks or brand logos. Personally, this article offends me; Whatever happened to individuality?

 * If you think punk isn't about fashion, you're a self-righteous dick. also, the article specifically states that most punks don't follow only one dress code, and mix it up. Read before you get pissy about something. --Switch 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw your links to GoodCharlotte. I think your whole article is crap. Why don't you add a section for me while your at it? Define this. *moons the self-righteous Bitch"

 * Punk'77 era can give some idea about outfits. From the other side, I ain't consider metro punk a style, though.

As the Infa Riot lyrics says : "All you boys in jeans and boots, spiky hair from the 70s roots" I still remember of those Jetta boots and slim cut jeans a'la 70s, 80s punk rock. By the way, it comes back to fashion in the USA. I see it on the streets some days. It also worth to take a look on Iggy's slim cut pants. About my clothes, I often sport a bandana on my skull or tied around my neck. I have a Charged GBH style mohawk and spike it good for the shows. Also I wear two jeans at a time with some safety pins attached to it. This double setup gives a good protection when I do the pogo dance and slide or fell.

 * obviously individuality is a huge part of punk, but honestly most people are individual just like every other punker... If that is what you are basing this on then this article should be deleted and just have one sentence saying "punk fashion is individuality, nuff said." -a sound mind —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.78.168 (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

An old picture from the Blank'77 show, venue Albany, NY2oo5. TORN black&blue jeans, Pistols T-shirt, sport kicks and that time no mohawk yet.

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Johnny Rotten's shirt
Stop changing the article. Those shirts were sold at Sex to the early apolitical punk scene, and were meant merely to be offensive, much like the swastika shirts made famous by Sid Vicious that were also sold there. Regardless of Lydon's political beliefs, the shirt is a prime example of the deliberately offensive garments popular at the time. --Switch 07:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Poser? Is that NPOV?
Under Skate Punks, the section that says: "Skate punks also generally wear branded skate shoes—such as Fallen shoes, Circa, or eS footwear—and generally avoid the cheap brands—such as Airwalk or Vans—which are seen as poser brands and are not very effective for real skaters" seems POV to me. It could at least have a source. --Zagsa 01:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. A poser cant really be defined by the shoes he wears... A poser is someone who tries to hard to.. fit in. Fallen are good shoes anyways. Go ahead and tell Jamie Thomas that he's a poser for wearing Fallen. -__- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.78.168 (talk) 05:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Punks may wear....Punks may spike....Punks may...
Why is it every sentence in this paragraph starts with the word punk(s)? Seems like it goes against basic writing

''Punks seek to outrage propriety with the highly theatrical use of style. Punk clothing adapts existing objects for aesthetic effect: previously ripped clothes are held together by safety pins or wrapped with tape, written on with marker or defaced with paint; a black bin liner bag (garbage bag) might become a dress, shirt or skirt. Leather, rubber and vinyl clothing are also common, possibly due to its implied connection with transgressive sexual practices, such as bondage and S&M. Punks wear tight "drain pipe" jeans, "brothel creepers" shoes, t-shirts with risqué images, and possibly a leather motorcycle jacket (á la The Ramones). Punks style their hair to stand in spikes, cut it into "Mohawks" or other dramatic shapes, and color it with vibrant, unnatural hues. Punks use safety pins and razor blades as jewelry, including using safety pins for piercings. Punks sometimes flaunted taboo symbols such as the Nazi swastika or Iron Cross, although most modern punks are staunchly anti-racist and subsequently may wear a crossed-out swastika patch. They may also wear eyeliner (boys and girls). [citation needed] Punk style was influenced by clothes sold in Malcolm McLaren's shop SEX. McLaren has credited this style to his first impressions of Richard Hell while he was in New York managing the The New York Dolls.''

Seems like some one took some bullet points, stuck them together and called it a paragraph. Perhaps some one could reword it? --66.222.240.194 21:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC) Jay

Whoops
I accidentally marked this edit as minor because I forgot that I changed the section title to "traditional punk". So I did more than just copyedit. Sorry. I did that because it seems less confusing than "'straight' punk", which could be confused with straight (as in the sexual orientation) or straight edge. Ungovernable ForceThe Wiki Kitchen! 06:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hardcore fashion
I have recently started a page on the current hardcore (heavy metal) scene. The hardcore fashion described here would be better suited to describing that scene. till somebody comes up with a paragraph to describe contemporary hardcore PUNK fashion i'll be removing the hc section as it has no bearing on punk fashion.
 * Oh, I guess you did give a reason. Next time, be sure to direct people here in your edit summary. I don't think modern hardcore is really punk, but others do so for now at least, I think it should stay in. I don't care that much though.  Ungovernable Force  Got something to say? 04:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Just because you started another article doesn't mean you should delete the section from this article. Today's hardcore, definitely originally came out of hardcore punk, so it's relevant in this article. Besides, I've never heard anyone call Hardcore a form of heavy metal, despite the fact that many of today's hardcore bands have metal influences. The hardcore (heavy metal) has no references, and is full of point of view. It need a lot of work (and a name change) to bring it up to encyclopedic standards.Spylab 13:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

_____Just wondering about the inclusion of "Emo", as many punks try to distance themselves from this__________________________________________________________________

You know what i think Emo is the conclusion of a way you pend you life, because you are completely worhtless when you have a very great life and many people who care about you.

EMOS CANT SPELL!!!

EMOS HATE CHAVS!!!

IM NOT EMO!!!

YOU PROBABLY WANT TO BE!!!

Other languages versions
There's a huge amount of other languages' versions of this article, but none are listed here. May someone add them? (eg, by taking the links from the de.wikipedia). --Pfc432 00:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Suicidals
I know it is considered to be an "obscure trend", but there should be a expanded section or at least new article about Suicidals. This is about all the information I could find and it doesn't even refer to them as being Suicidals:

"Another example would be some punks in California, who have moddeled themselves on Cholo's. This look involves wearing brightly coloured bandanas and plaid flannel shirts. Shaven heads are also common in this style. A good example of this would be Californian punk band Suicidal Tendencies."

I know this pretty much covers it in describing their fashion choice, but there should be more information on the subculture. I know Suicidals as a violent crew (some have described it as a gang) that has a fierce devotion to bands like Suicidal Tendencies, Beowulf, Excel, and many other Venice, California bands. I have heard they have associations with various Surrenos gangs. I would edit it myself, but most of what I can provide would fall under "original research" as there aren't any widely available sources on the internet or in books. There was a paragraph in "American Hardcore", but that's about it. I know it may not be relevant to this article in particular, but I feel that the movement was and is still relevant enough to have some more information or an article on Wikipedia. Maybe this would fit better in the punk subculture article, but maybe not. There has to be something on this site about "punk gangs" like the Venice Suicidals, Beowulf Boys and Circle One. Can I get some thoughts?

ZAchAtTacK 4:57, 17 May 2007 I agree with all that you have said. It would be much appreciaated if you could help expand this part of the article. I think part of the reason it is hard to find info on this is precisly because it is an "Obscure Trend" - D-Raven 66.15.146.252 04:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

fdkjhdjkZAchAtTacK 05:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

How many of you are punks?
This article is incredibly inaccurate, and I can see why. The vast majority of wikipedia editors are obssesive computer users who know absolutely nothing about punk other than what they see at Hot Topic, on Fox News, or in books from Barnes and Noble. For one thing, the all-black style of political punks(myself, for instance) was ignored until I added it. Non punks need to stop acting like they know anything about punk.

And, by the way: It's not dead, so don't write these articles like an autopsy.

Skrayl (talk) 04:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The so-called "political punk" style was ignored because there is no specific group called "political punks", so there is no particular style associated with being a political punk. If you mean anarcho-punk, then there is already a section about that.Spylab (talk) 15:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

 * See Anti-Flag. Someone needs to make an article about political punk. Or maybe just ignore it. I'm reverting your edit. Also almost everything in this article has been outdated since 2001, I'd say. A large amount of punk was destroyed, and then reconstrucuted in a different way around 1999-2003.

 * See punk ideologies (and Citing sources while you're at it). There are many types of punks that are political. There is no specific category called "political punk", and there is no specific style associated with that nonexistant category. I have reverted your uncited and factually inaccurate edit. Spylab (talk) 17:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Spylab, are you a punk? I would like to indicate Ignore all rules, in order to point out that with things like punk it's best to trust instinct rather than soruces, as those sources will be societies inaccurate opinions about punk. For example, nowhere in any article about punk are it's many internal conflicts mentioned. Why? There so obvious to anyone who is a punk. There  not mentioned becuase of silly citation issues. Skrayl (talk) 02:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Ignore all rules states: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." They key point is "improving or maintaining", which is not done by adding uncited and factually inaccurate content. Spylab (talk) 18:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Hey there mate. I was a punk as a teenager (just a few years ago) and I still associate with plenty of punks. Just to let you know, yeah, there are punks around here; you might want to drop or  a line. I think they're more involved in the punk subculture than I am.
 * To address some of your specific concerns: Yes, the article is pretty bad. The section on early punk fashion is okay, but the rest is pretty terrible.
 * There is no "political punk" style of dress. There is not even any "political punk" group. Let me clarify: Does "political punk" include Nazi punks? Leftists but not anarchists? Does it include Green Day? Do they dress like the Angelic Upstarts? The Clash? The Jam? NOFX? All political punk bands, but all jarringly different in terms of sound, dress and ideology. What is a specific group with a specific dress style is anarcho-punk, simple, aggressive and often experimental punk rock with an anarchist worldview, the fashion mainly being androgynous black militaristic clothing. In dealing with Anti-Flag you might better focus on the "new punk" phenomenon, the bastard child of Bad Religion and Refused.
 * The stuff about "those sources [being] societies inaccurate opinions about punk" are either your delusions or misunderstanding of the NOR policy. There are plenty of books written about punks, and even by punks, that you can get your hands on if you want to improve the article. Reliable doesn't mean mainstream (and nor does mainstream mean reliable), especially where counterculture is concerned. There are lots of books, for example, that compile articles from zines into histories of bands or scenes; some of these are even available from major retailers. There are books written by punks all over the place. Some photographers have even released books of photos of punks, as a case study in dress, with discussion. What could be better? Admittedly the majority of these focus on the '70s, but there are recent ones too - there's at least one on Umeå hardcore photos. There are sources you can cite.
 * If you don't like the article - fix it! Borrow some books on punk subculture or on subculture fashion from a local library. Go through old zines. Look up internet articles. If you can afford it, you could even buy some of the specialist books. Anyone can edit, and anyone can contribute to a future of free culture and knowledge. "Anyone" means you. ~  Swi tch  ( ✉ ✍  ☺  ☒ )  06:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

tell me...
in what is currently considered punk and emo fashion,a key element has been forgotten in this aritcle.tux,tux undershirts,and tie have been a critical part of both punk and emo since their inception.cant beleieve so many people missed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.233.155.182 (talk) 00:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

 * ...No, actually it hasn't been. I doubt you could find one photo of a punk wearing a tux. And this is an article about punks, if it's so important to emos, put it on that page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.17.158 (talk) 17:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Original Style
The original punk fashion was prior to the London look. The New York scene of lower Manhattan was the original punk fashion with groups like Television, Blondie, The Ramones, Patti Smith and Talking Heads.

The kids of New York at the time had little money and mod clothing was easy to get hold of so much of the clothing was adapted from the mod image with people trying to be original with what they had.

McLaren recreated what he saw in New York but mostly drawing from and expanding on Richard Hell's look and ignoring the many other kids.

Quote " No one had any money so image was about creating a personal style with what they got. They would wear ripped up shirts, denim jeans, traditional leather and some mod clothing as this was easy to get in New York.''

Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood did NOT copy tearing t-shirts off of Richard Hell or John Lydon. When the shop was Let it Rock they would print tees with early Rock and Roll (Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis) and 60's Garage Bands (Screaming Lord Sutch), and travel to revival concerts, set up a booth, and sell the Let it Rock shirts in the Parking Lot. This led to them having a huge surplus of the band shirts, so when the shop became Too Fast to Live... they begin to rip and tear the tees, put in zips, soil them with hair dye, put motorcycle badges and patches, and plastic pockets with pictures of Glamour Models in them so the shirts would go with their new Rocker look like the Venus and ROCK Bones shirt. They even converted tees into panties. John Lydon admits he didn't come to the shop until it was SEX, and Richard Hell wasn't performing in 1971 when Malcolm first went to New York, so he couldn't have seen it then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.203.248 (talk) 22:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the original Punk fashion was the band Television fronted by Richard Hell. Now, I am not a fan of the NY Punk scene. In fact, I don't really consider it Punk. Punk was really born in England, which "borrowed" things from the NY scene. The fashion began with Television. They were important because, all the members had short hair, which at the time (1974 or 1975) was unheard of, with a sort of the look of outcasts. This is where the fashion really is rooted from; the Ramones didn't really influence the fashion, only the music side. So, this article needs to emphasize this point. And how Maclaren was the man who brought this underground to England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.214.47 (talk) 23:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I gotta pose the question of how the NY scene is not punk. Sure, this is a poster's opinion (though questionably coinciding with them "not liking" the bands), but I've never happened to hear any good arguments for excluding the NY/CBgB's era as a proper punk stage. Taking into account that the Ramones were playing "Judy is a Punk" circa 1974, "Punk Magazine" was starting up circa late '75, the very term 'punk' was being cited in U.S. music magazines for two years prior to that, and Iggy was already Iggy for a few years, I don't see much validity in claiming punk was yet to be 'born' during this time.
 * When it comes right down to it, it was here that a first of an identifiable scene, with an image and audience was going on. No doubt that many music fan circles by then were aware of the changes that were both happening and were to come. In other words, punk had an identity, and by the end of '75 it was very much happening in Eastern U.S. 66.66.118.16 (talk) 22:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC) ::

I just checked the audio comentary on the 25 year anniversary DVD of The Rocky Horror Picture Show and they said that Sue Blane's design of Frank's jacket in the 1973 stage production of The Rocky Horror Show predates simmilar design later popularised by McLaren. // Liftarn (talk) 14:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

What Are...
those patches that are sewed into jackets or hung from the pants called i couldnt find them on this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.229.249.3 (talk) 01:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Girl Punk Fashion
I no that girl Punk fashion is very similar to its male counterpart but I think that it needs its own little article in here. All the Punk girls I know have a different style of dress then in each of these lovely fashion sections. Punk fashion always struck me as being individual and self-promoting. Though I can understand what you guys are getting at with regionalism. Female Punk, however; seems less regional; perhaps because the female body is so different from the males or perhaps because females feel as if they have less options in the Punk scene then males. It strikes me as if a lot of the categories, both regional and subcultures would be unflattering on the female body and that probably has a large part in the way female Punks dress. (Though I admit perhaps what I have observed could be unique to my region)

(Before you guys accuse me I am not a Punk. In the sad world of high school categories, I have been given the title of hippie.  I wonder perhaps if the Punks who read this are as hurt by being categorized as I was.) (68.89.43.45 (talk) 16:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC))

A real Punk would kick the offending person's teeth in instead of being "hurt", Hippy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.220.203.190 (talk) 20:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

UK v. US punk fashion
I was an art student in the UK in the early and mid eighties, and I can tell you from personal experience that punk was out of fashion in the UK then. The height of youth fashion then was rubber catsuits, believe it or not, although only worn by the most daring girls, and people were also wearing outfits like those of Boy George. While punk was out of fashion in the UK, a milder version had come into fashion at that time in the US. Ample cause for confusion here. The article says "as liberty spikes or the Mohawk hairstyle". I do not know what liberty spikes are - I would guess they are American terminology for what was simply known as "spikes" in the UK. And the Mohawk hairstyle was called a "Mohican" in the UK. 78.151.102.130 (talk) 23:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

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this was recently edited for a commercial purposes. nikede.com is the site i belive. please watch. Not the same one (talk) 16:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Emo fashion
Why is emo - most probably today's most common punk style - not mentioned in this article? --87.179.150.211 (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC) Probally because its considered its own thing --FailureAtDeath (talk) 00:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Same reason goths aren't talked about. Because no matter how related to punk the style is, it is not punk. Emo is not punk, so it is not on the punk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.17.158 (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Emo isn't punk. It's more like goth with middle class, not working class origins, and an artsy elitist attitude. Instead of creating their own style emos imitated pop-punk and skater fashion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.225.142 (talk) 23:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

What about emo-punk style? Emo-punk isnt really like the full fledged emo scene. 66.32.78.168 (talk) 05:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC) On the emo page, the emo-punk style is reffered to (darkwash skinny jeans, tight shirts, tight jackets). I guess the studded belts are included too. This kind of reminds me of scene fashion (bands like Chiodos) Railpunk (talk) 05:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no such thing as "emo punk." What you're describing are scene kids —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.225.142 (talk) 14:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Current Hardcore Fashion
There's a trend in the hardcore scene to dress in a fashion similar to emo kids. This includes tight jeans, hair in the face, and eye makeup on guys. It's often referred to as "scene' or "fashioncore" (sometimes spelled fashionxcore). Someone needs to include this.--216.49.144.57 (talk) 20:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe you're referring to the darker, more melodramatic metalcore andscreamo scenes that were influenced by hardcore punk (I think that's what these "scenes" are called now. I hate categorizing bands into vague, unhelpful "genres") I'm not sure why these recent "scenes" have come to be referred to as "hardcore," but the hardcore punk fashion section in the article is referring to the original, anti-fashion, working class, minimalist hardcore punk fashion that originated in the 80's with bands like Bad Brains and Black Flag. Hardcore punk originally involved simple hair styles (usually short), athletic wear and sneakers, chino khakis, t-shirts etc. Not "emo" hair or tight jeans. In fact, pants were baggy. You had to go as crazy as possible at real hardcore punk shows, and tight jeans, make-up and long hair are not conducive to moshing and jumping off stages.Callmarcus (talk) 07:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

"Scene kid" was originally a name for a poser (similar to "scene queens" on the glam rock scene of the 70s who pretended to be gay to get noticed). In the UK in the late 90s we used to call wannabe punks/goths who wore tripp pants, dressed like skaters (but didn't skate) and listened to Blink 182 scene kids. Today's scene kids are the same chavs turned pop-punk fans but now they're ripping off and combining indie, emo and hip hop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.251.159 (talk) 21:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Emo
WHo put emo under punk its not punk this page is stuipted enough im going to delete it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.231.211 (talk) 19:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, there is emo-punk which (as the name implies) punk. I mean, emo-punks used to be really like straight-edge people with sweater vests and whatnot... 66.32.78.168 (talk) 05:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Emo-punk is to Punk as Green Day is to Sex Pistols or The Clash. It's not Punk at all.31.220.203.190 (talk) 20:43, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Ska-punk
Why was this deleted? Ska-punk was big in the US during the 90s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.251.159 (talk) 22:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I deleted it because all the descriptions were of skinhead and 2 Tone fashions, not 1990s ska punk fashions. Also, there were no references.Spylab (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

New Romantic and Mod-Revival
What would people think about including these? Or even a section for the fashion of 2-Tone Ska (which was mentioned in the Ska-Punk section)? Theburning25 (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Picture
Can you semi-protect your page because some nerd is putting their trashy pictures going to a punk concert and wearing a costume on the 70s/origin section. They always put it there and I always delete it. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW!!! Picaxe01 (talk) 5:16, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Westwood was the original creator of the UK punk image through dressing the Sex Pistols
"Punk fashion has been extremely commercialized at various times, and many well-established fashion designers — such as Vivienne Westwood and Jean Paul Gaultier — have used punk elements in their production." <--- This is really inaccurate and completely illogical, Gaultier and Westwood are on completely different levels.

Westwood with McLaren put together the Sex Pistols image on the Kings Road in their shop, to the person that wrote this: do you know what Seditionaries was?

Essentially, Westwood was key to popularizing the Punk look of tartan, safety pins, loose knit jumpers and bondage trousers and PVC/rubber/fetish wear, commercializing punk?! She was one of the lead creators of what is now commonly seen as the punk image! Compare that to Gaultier!

- Von Betelgeuse 31.220.203.190 (talk) 20:34, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

The following information is not correct & the source does not seem to exist any longer: "In the United Kingdom, a great deal of punk fashion from the 1970s was based on the designs of Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren and the Bromley Contingent." Citation goes nowhere: Walker, John. (1985) "Malcolm McLaren & the sources of Punk". artdesigncafe.

Punk is an example of bottom-up fashion. Vivienne Westwood was inspired by the punk apparel that she saw on the streets. - Monique 207.233.86.137 (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

this article is incredibly androcentric
i stumbled in here on a google search and wasted a few minutes flipping through it to be sort of taken aback by how focused on men this article is. it's true that some of the subcultures have been pretty male dominated, and that a lot of the fashion was unisex, but that's not what i'm getting at. it's just written with the underlying assumption that we're talking only about men. for example, consider the hardcore section that talks about short hair. well, if you're a dude, sure. yet, there was actually a kind of a really important female-driven hardcore scene centered in the pacific northwest (that doesn't even get a listing). i'm going to reword the hardcore section, because it's the subgenre i'm most familiar with, but this really needs a systemic overhaul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.48.181.93 (talk) 06:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

ok, well, i tried. c'mon, wiki - you must realize that it's fucking ridiculous to suggest that the section on hardcore fashion should have ads for nike and converse. that's not just wrong, it's surreal. here's what i put in there:

Hardcore rejects consumer fashion trends as a way for youth to pointlessly piss away their labour to parasitic elements within the bourgeoisie. That is to say that hardcore punk is fundamentally anti-fashion. Instead, clothes are interpreted rationally with a desire to maximize functionality and minimize cost (in terms of wasted labour). As one example of matching clothes to a functional rather than a decorative basis, the prevalence of moshing and slam dancing at hardcore shows makes jewellery, spikes, chains and spiky hair an unattractive fashion decision for many hardcore fans.

Plain working class dress is usually associated with hardcore punk. Hair is usually not fussed over too much: men tend to retain a "clean shaven" aesthetic whereas women focus on simple hair styles, such as bobs or shoulder-length cuts. Dying hair unusual colours, however, is not uncommon for either gender. With clothing, mute colors and minimal adornment are the standard. Elements of hardcore clothing that are common to both genders include baggy jeans or work pants, athletic wear, cargo or military shorts, khakis or cargo pants, band T-shirts, plain T-shirts, muscle shirts, and band hoodies. Female hardcore fans can often be seen in tank tops, as well as tighter fitting t-shirts and sweaters.

specifically:

1) hardcore rejects fashion as bullshit 2) hardcore rejects corporate branding as bullshit 3) hardcore rejects sexism as bullshit

so, can we get this cleared up? or is wiki getting ad revenue from the nike links?

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Punk fashion
H Evrik, since you restored the content, was I wrong that it was copied from the I noted, and do you have a WP:RELIABLE for all of it? Thank you, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I did a quick search back to the version of the page that existed back in 2018. It looked to me that the source you cited may have lifted the text from wikipedia, but I could be wrong. I did an earwig check, and found two other websites appear to have copied their language from here. --evrik (talk) 21:29, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking that up, . There's still the stubborn source issue--once a few passages of unsourced content are accepted over a period of years, more original research tends to accrete. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 18:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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