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Western Neo-Aramaic

Western Neo-Aramaic (ܐܰܪܳܡܰܝ, arōmay), more commonly referred to as Siryon (ܣܪܝܘܢ, siryōn, "Syriac"),  is a modern Western Aramaic language. Today, it is spoken by Christian and Muslim Arameans (Syriacs)      in only two villages – Maaloula and Jubb'adin, until the Syrian Civil War also in Bakhʽa – in the Anti-Lebanon Mountains of western Syria. Bakhʽa was completely destroyed during the war and all the survivors fled to other parts of Syria or to Lebanon. Western Neo-Aramaic is believed to be the closest living language to the language of Jesus, whose first language, according to scholarly consensus, was Galilean Aramaic belonging to the Western branch as well; all other remaining Neo-Aramaic languages are of the Eastern branch.

Distribution and history
Western Neo-Aramaic is the sole surviving remnant of the once extensive Western Aramaic-speaking area, which also included the Palestine region and Lebanon in the 7th century CE. It is now spoken exclusively by the inhabitants of Maaloula and Jubb'adin, about 60 km northeast of Damascus. The continuation of this little cluster of Aramaic in a sea of Arabic is partly due to the relative isolation of the villages and their close-knit Christian and Muslim communities.

Following the Muslim conquest of the Levant, there was a linguistic shift to Arabic for local Muslims and later for remaining Christians; Arabic displaced various Aramaic dialects, including Western Aramaic varieties, as the first language of the majority. Despite this, Western Aramaic appears to have survived for a relatively long time at least in some remote mountain villages in Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon. In fact, up until the 17th century, travelers in Lebanon still reported on several Aramaic-speaking villages.

In the last three villages, where the language still survives, the dialect of Bakhʽa appears to be the most conservative. It has been less influenced by Arabic than the other dialects and retains some vocabulary that is obsolete in other dialects. The dialect of Jubb'adin has changed the most. It is heavily influenced by Arabic and has a more developed phonology. The dialect of Maaloula is somewhere in between the two, but is closer to that of Jubb'adin. Cross-linguistic influence between Aramaic and Arabic has been mutual, as Syrian Arabic itself (and Levantine Arabic in general) retains an Aramaic substratum. Similar to the Eastern Neo-Aramaic languages, Western Neo-Aramaic is using Kurdish loanwords unlike other Western Aramaic dialects, e. g. in their negation structure:”Čū ndōmex“ meaning "I do not sleep“ in the Maalouli dialect. These influences might indicate an older historical connection between Western Neo-Aramaic and Eastern Aramaic speakers. Other strong linguistic influences on Western Neo-Aramaic include Akkadian during the Neo-Babylonian period, e. g. the names of the months: āšbaṯ (Akk. šabāṯu, "February"), ōḏar (Akk. ad(d)aru, "March"), iyyar (Akk. ayyaru, "May") or agricultural terms such as nīra (Akk. nīru, "yoke"), sekkṯa (Akk. sikkatu, "plowshare"), senta (Akk. sendu, "to grind") or nbūba (Akk. enbūbu, "fruit").

As in most of the Levant prior to the introduction of Islam in the seventh century, the three villages were originally all Christian until the 18th century. Maaloula is the only village that retains a sizeable Melkite Christian population (they belong to the Rūm Orthodox Church of Antioch and Melkite Greek Catholic Church) as most of the inhabitants of Bakhʽa and Jubb’adin converted to Islam over the generations and are now all Muslim. However, the first Muslims were not native converts, but Muslim Arab families from Homs who were settled in the three Aramean (Syriac) villages during the Ottoman era to monitor the Christian population. Maaloula glows in the pale blue wash with which houses are painted every year in honor of Mary, mother of Jesus.

Historical accounts, as documented by the French linguist Jean Parisot in 1898, suggest that the people of Maaloula and nearby areas claim to be descendants of migrants from the Sinjar region (modern Iraq). According to their oral traditions, their ancestors embarked on a substantial migration in ancient times, driven by the challenges posed by the Muslim occupation of the northern part of Mesopotamia. Seeking refuge, they crossed the Euphrates River and traversed the Palmyrene desert, eventually finding a lasting sanctuary among Western Aramaic-speaking communities in the highlands of eastern Syria. In Maaloula and the surrounding villages, the surname ”Sinjar“ (Aramaic:ܣܢܓܐܪ) is borne by some Christian and Muslim families.

All three remaining Western Neo-Aramaic dialects are facing critical endangerment as living languages. As with any village community in the 21st century, young residents are migrating into major cities like Damascus and Aleppo in search of better employment opportunities, thus forcing them into monolingual Arabic-speaking settings, in turn straining the opportunity to actively maintain Western Neo-Aramaic as a language of daily use. Nevertheless, the Syrian government provides support for teaching the language.

Unlike Classical Syriac, which has a rich literary tradition in Syriac-Aramaic script, Western Neo-Aramaic was solely passed down orally for generations until 2006 and was not utilized in a written form.

Since 2006, Maaloula has been home to an Aramaic Language Institute established by the Damascus University that teaches courses to keep the language alive. The institute's activities were suspended in 2010 amid concerns that the square Maalouli Aramaic alphabet, developed by the chairman of the Language Institute, George Rizkalla (Rezkallah), used in the program, closely resembled the square script of the Hebrew alphabet. Consequently, all signs featuring the square Maalouli script were taken down. The program stated that they would instead use the more distinct Syriac Aramaic alphabet, although use of the Maalouli square script has continued to some degree. Al Jazeera Arabic also broadcast a program about Western Neo-Aramaic and the villages in which it is spoken with the square script still in use.

In December 2016, during an Aramaic Singing Festival in Maaloula, a modified version of an older style of the Aramaic alphabet closer to the Phoenician alphabet was used for Western Neo-Aramaic. This script seems to be used as a true alphabet with letters to represent both consonants and vowels instead of the traditional system of the Aramaic alphabet where it is used as an abjad. A recently published book about the Maalouli Aramaic dialect also uses this script.

Aramaic Bible Translation (ABT) has spent over a decade translating the Bible into Western Neo-Aramaic (Maalouli dialect) and recording audio for Portrait of Jesus. Rinyo, the Syriac language organization, has published ABT's content, developed by Kanusoft.com. On their website, the Book of Psalms and Portrait of Jesus are available in Western Neo-Aramaic using the Syriac Serta script. Additionally, a translation of the New Testament into Western Neo-Aramaic was completed in 2017 and is now accessible online.

An electronic speech corpus of the Western Neo-Aramaic dialect of Maaloula has been available online since 2022.

Phonology
The phonology of Western Neo-Aramaic has developed quite differently from other Aramaic dialects/languages. The labial consonants of older Western Aramaic, and, have been retained in Bakhʽa and Maaloula while they have mostly collapsed to  in Jubb'adin under influence from Arabic. The labial consonant pair has collapsed to  in all three villages. Amongst dental consonants, the fricatives are retained while  have become  in most places and, while remaining a phoneme, has had its traditional position in Aramaic words replaced by  in Bakhʽa, and  in Maaloula and Jubb'adin. However, is the usual form for the relative particle in these two villages, with a variant, where Bakhʽa always uses. Among the velar consonants, the traditional voiced pair of has collapsed into, while /ɡ/ still remains a phoneme in some words. The unvoiced velar fricative,, is retained, but its plosive complement , while also remaining a distinct phoneme, has in its traditional positions in Aramaic words started to undergo palatalization. In Bakhʽa, the palatalization is hardly apparent; in Maaloula, it is more obvious, and often leads to ; in Jubb'adin, it has become, and has thus merged phonemically with the original positions of. The original uvular plosive,, has also moved forward in Western Neo-Aramaic. In Bakhʽa it has become a strongly post-velar plosive, and in Maaloula more lightly post-velar. In Jubb'adin, however, it has replaced the velar plosive, and become.

Vowels
Western Neo-Aramaic has the following set of vowels:

Square Maalouli alphabet
Square Maalouli alphabet used for Western Neo-Aramaic. Words beginning with a vowel are written with an initial. Short vowels are omitted or written with diacritics, long vowels are transcribed with macrons (Āā, Ēē, Īī, Ōō, Ūū) and are written with mater lectionis ( for /o/ and /u/, for /i/, which are also used at the end of a word if it ends with one of these vowels and if a word begins with any of these long vowels, they begin with  + the mater lectionis). Words ending with /a/ are written with at the end of the word, while words ending with /e/ are written with  at the end. Sometimes is used both for final  and  instead of also using.

Syriac and Arabic alphabet
Syriac (Serta) and Arabic alphabet used for Western Neo-Aramaic.

Alternate Aramaic alphabet
Characters of the script system similar to the Old Aramaic or Phoenician alphabet used occasionally for Western Neo-Aramaic with matching transliteration. The script is used as a true alphabet with distinct letters for all phonemes including vowels instead of the traditional abjad system with plosive-fricative pairs.

Liturgical language and sample of Lord's Prayer
Lord's Prayer in Western Neo-Aramaic, Turoyo Neo-Aramaic, Classical Syriac (Eastern accent) and Hebrew.

There are various versions of the Lord's Prayer in Western Neo-Aramaic, incorporating altered loanwords from several languages, notably Arabic: Šēḏa (from Akk. šēdu, meaning "evil" or "devil"), yiṯkan (from Ar. litakun, meaning "that it may be" or "to be"), ġfurlēḥ & nġofrin (from Ar. yaghfir, meaning "to forgive") and čaġribyōṯa (from Ar. jareeb, meaning "temptation").

Several decades ago, the Christian inhabitants of Maaloula began translating Christian prayers and texts into their vernacular Aramaic dialect, given that their actual liturgical languages are Arabic and Koine Greek.

Pastor Edward Robinson reported that his companion, Eli Smith, found several manuscripts in the Syriac language in Maaloula in 1834, but no one could read or understand them. Classical Syriac, the Aramaic dialect of Edessa, was utilized as the liturgical language by local Syriac Melkite Christians following the Byzantine rite. There was a compilation of Syriac manuscripts from the monasteries and churches of Maaloula. However, a notable portion of these manuscripts met destruction upon the directives of a bishop in the 19th century.

==Miscellaneous words and sample phrases ==

Literature

 * Arnold, Werner: Das Neuwestaramäische (Western Neo-Aramaic), 5 volumes. Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden (Semitica Viva 4),
 * Volume 1: Texte aus Baxʿa (Texts from Baxʿa), 1989, ISBN 3-447-02949-8,
 * Volume 2: Texte aus Ğubbʿadīn (Texts from Ğubbʿadīn), 1990, ISBN 3-447-03051-8,
 * Volume 3: Volkskundliche Texte aus Maʿlūla (Texts of folk tradition from Maʿlūla), 1991, ISBN 3-447-03166-2,
 * Volume 4: Orale Literatur aus Maʿlūla (Oral Literature from Maʿlūla), 1991, ISBN 3-447-03173-5,
 * Volume 5: Grammatik (Grammar), 1990, ISBN 3-447-03099-2/
 * Arnold, Werner: Lehrbuch des Neuwestaramäischen (A Manual to Western Neo-Aramaic), Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden 1989, ISBN 3-447-02910-2.

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John Ireland

John Benjamin Ireland (January 30, 1914 – March 21, 1992) was a Canadian-American actor and film director. Born in Vancouver, British Columbia and raised in New York City, he came to prominence with film audiences for his supporting roles in several high-profile Western films, including My Darling Clementine (1946), Red River (1948), Vengeance Valley (1951), and Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957). He was nominated for an Academy Award for his role as Jack Burden in All the King's Men (1949), making him the first British Columbia-born actor to receive an Oscar nomination.

Ireland's other film roles include A Walk in the Sun (1945), Joan Of Arc (1948), Spartacus (1960), 55 Days at Peking (1963), The Fall of the Roman Empire (1964), The Adventurers (1970), and Farewell, My Lovely (1975). He also appeared in many television series, notably The Cheaters (1960–62). In the late 1960s and 1970s, he worked in Italian cinema, including the Spaghetti Westerns Run, Man, Run (1968), the giallo One on Top of the Other (1969), and the controversial war drama Salon Kitty (1976).

In 1960, Ireland was presented with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contribution to the television industry.

Early life
Ireland was born in Vancouver, British Columbia on January 30, 1914. He lived in New York City from a very early age. Ireland's formal education ended at the 7th grade, and he worked to help his family make ends meet.

He never knew his natural father; his mother, a Scottish piano teacher Gracie Ferguson, remarried to Michael Noone, an Irish vaudevillian, and had three other children, a daughter Kathryn, a son named Tommy (the future actor-comedian Tommy Noonan), and another son, Michael. Their last name was Noone; Ireland never knew for sure where his last name came from.

He was a swimmer, once competing with Johnny Weissmuller. He performed underwater stunts at a carnival and worked as a barker. One of his jobs was in a water carnival where he wrestled a dead octopus.

Theatre
One day he was passing the Davenport Free Theater in Manhattan. He entered, thinking it offered a free show and instead received free training. He slept in a dressing room and was paid a dollar a day to work backstage while rehearsing lines.

In 1941 he made his Broadway debut in a production of Macbeth with Maurice Evans and Judith Anderson. Other Broadway plays followed.

20th Century Fox
Ireland signed with 20th Century Fox and made his screen-debut as Private Windy, the thoughtful letter-writing GI, in the 1945 war film A Walk in the Sun, directed by Lewis Milestone.

This was followed by Wake Up and Dream (1946); Behind Green Lights (1946) with Carole Landis; and It Shouldn't Happen to a Dog (1946), again with Landis. He played Billy Clanton in John Ford's My Darling Clementine (1946).

Freelance actor and Red River
Ireland had his first lead role in Railroaded! (1947), directed by Anthony Mann for Eagle-Lion. He went back to support parts for The Gangster (1947) for the King Brothers and I Love Trouble (1948) for Columbia.

Ireland played the lead in Open Secret (1948) for Eagle-Lion, then had a support role in Anthony Mann's classic noir, Raw Deal (1948).

Ireland had a vital support part in Howard Hawks' 1948 film Red River as the gunslinger Cherry Valance. However, Ireland's part was reduced when Hawks became annoyed with the actor. Ireland was an army captain in the Ingrid Bergman spectacular, Joan of Arc (1948).

All the King's Men
In April 1948 Ireland signed a contract with Columbia Pictures at $500 a week going up to $1500 a week. Ireland was nominated for an Oscar as Best Supporting Actor for his powerful performance as Jack Burden, the hard-boiled newspaper reporter who evolves from devotee to cynical denouncer of demagogue Willie Stark (Broderick Crawford) in All the King's Men (1949), making him the first Vancouver-born actor to receive an Academy Award nomination.

Ireland was featured as Bob Ford in the low budget I Shot Jesse James (1949) the first movie directed by Sam Fuller. He was a villain in the Western Roughshod (1949) and a love rival for Paulette Goddard in Anna Lucasta (1949).

In December 1949 Columbia suspended him after walking out after filming one scene on One Way Out (released as Convicted). He sued the studio.

Lippert Pictures gave him the lead in The Return of Jesse James (1950) and he appeared opposite his then-wife Joanne Dru in support parts in Vengeance Valley (1951)

During McCarthyism in the early 50s, he successfully sued two television producers for breach of contract and slander, claiming that they reneged on roles promised to him due to his perceived political undesirability, including the lead in a TV series The Adventures of Ellery McQueen. He received an undisclosed but "substantial" cash settlement.

Ireland had the leads in some low-budget films: The Basketball Fix (1951); The Scarf (1951); Little Big Horn (1951); The Bushwackers (1952); and Hannah Lee (1953) with his wife. He directed the latter. That film resulted in a lawsuit against the producers.

He went to England to make The Good Die Young (1954) and supported his wife in Southwest Passage (1954) and Joan Crawford in Queen Bee (1955).

Director
John Ireland turned director with The Fast and the Furious (1954), an early production from Roger Corman; Ireland also starred. He had the lead in the British thriller The Glass Cage (1955) and the war film Hell's Horizon (1955). He made another for Corman, this time only as an actor – Gunslinger (1956).

In July 1955 he signed a contract with Revue to act and direct films for television.

In January 1956 he signed to play the lead in the TV series Port of Call.

Ireland landed a supporting role as Johnny Ringo in Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957), and played a mobster in MGM's Party Girl (1958). He had the lead in No Place to Land (1958), and Stormy Crossing (1958).

In 1959, Ireland appeared as Chris Slade, with Karl Swenson as Ansel Torgin, in the episode "The Fight Back" of the NBC Western series, Riverboat. In the storyline, Tom Fowler (Tom Laughlin), the boss of the corrupt river town of Hampton near Vicksburg, Mississippi, blocks farmers from shipping their crops to market. In a dispute over a wedding held on the Enterprise, a lynch-mob led by Fowler comes after series lead-character Grey Holden (Darren McGavin). Karl Swenson also was cast in this episode.

1960s
In 1959, John made a guest appearance on Judy Garland's album The Letter for Capitol Records.

Ireland had a key role as the gladiator Crixus in the Stanley Kubrick 1960 spectacle Spartacus, co-starring with Kirk Douglas. That year he starred as Winch in the Western series Rawhide episode "Incident of the Garden of Eden" and made Faces in the Dark (1960) in England. He also appeared in the Thriller TV series (1960) episode "Papa Benjamin."

From 1960 to 1962, he starred in the British television series The Cheaters, playing John Hunter, a claims investigator for an insurance company who tracked down cases of fraud. He supported Elvis Presley in Wild in the Country (1961) and had the lead in the British Return of a Stranger (1961).

In 1962, he portrayed the character Frank Trask in the episode "Incident of the Portrait" on Rawhide. Rawhide, S7, EP28 Air date: May 7, 1965, THE SPANISH CAMP" A group of men led by Dr. John Merritt (John Ireland) searching for old Spanish treasure stubbornly refuses to let the cattle drive come through the area of their diggings, even though the herd desperately needs the water in the area.

He had a supporting part in 55 Days at Peking (1963) with Charlton Heston and was Ballomar in The Fall of the Roman Empire (1964), both films shot in Spain by producer Samuel Bronston.

By the mid-1960s, he was seen as the star of B-movies, such as I Saw What You Did with Crawford. In 1965, he played the role of Jed Colby, a trail scout, in the final season of Rawhide. In 1966 he starred in the episode "Stage Stop" (S12E10) as abusive husband and stage coach robbery collaborator "Jeb Coombs" on Gunsmoke.

In 1967, he appeared as Marshal Will Rimbau on Bonanza with Michael Landon in the episode "Judgment at Red Creek". A few years later, he again appeared with Landon on two episodes of Little House on the Prairie as a drunk who saves Carrie Ingalls, who had fallen down an abandoned mine shaft in the season 3 episode "Little Girl Lost" and the season 5 episode "The Winoka Warriors".

He had some leads in the A. C. Lyles Western Fort Utah (1967), then traveled to Europe to appear in Hate for Hate (1967), and Pistol for a Hundred Coffins (1967) and supported in Villa Rides (1968), Trusting Is Good... Shooting Is Better (1969), One on Top of the Other (1969), and Carnal Circuit (1969).

1970s
In 1970, Ireland appeared as Kinroy in the TV Western The Men From Shiloh (rebranded name for The Virginian) in the episode titled "Jenny". Ireland was seen in productions like The House of Seven Corpses (1974), Salon Kitty (1976) and Satan's Cheerleaders (1977). He did, however, also appear in big-budget fare such as The Adventurers (1970), also as a police lieutenant in the Robert Mitchum private-eye story Farewell, My Lovely (1975).

Later career
He starred in Thunder Run (1986), an American action-thriller film directed by Gary Hudson and co-starring Forrest Tucker.

In 1987, he put an ad in the newspapers stating "I'm an actor... let me act." It led to a role as Jonathan Aaron Cartwright, the younger brother of Ben Cartwright, in the television movie Bonanza: The Next Generation.

He was seen in the War of the Worlds episode "Eye for an Eye" in 1988.

Ireland regularly returned to the stage throughout his career and co-directed two features in the 1950s: the acclaimed Western drama Hannah Lee (1953) and the carjacking B-movie The Fast and the Furious (1955).

Personal life
Occasionally Ireland's name was mentioned in tabloids of the times, in connection with much younger starlets, including Natalie Wood, Barbara Payton, and Sue Lyon. He attracted controversy by dating 16-year-old actress Tuesday Weld when he was 45. Ireland also had an affair with co-star Joan Crawford while on the set of Queen Bee (1955). A decade later, Ireland and Crawford co-starred again in William Castle's movie I Saw What You Did.

He was married three times. His first wife, from 1940 to 1949, was Elaine Sheldon, with whom he had two sons, John and Peter.

From 1949 to 1957, he was married to actress Joanne Dru (whose younger brother, entertainer Peter Marshall, was originally best known for his comedy act with Ireland's half-brother Tommy Noonan). In July 1956, Dru was admitted to hospital with a black eye which she said was accidental but which was commonly believed to have been caused by Ireland. Ireland later was admitted to hospital for taking an overdose of barbiturates.

When the couple divorced in 1957 they had over $50,000 in debts.

From 1962 until his death, Ireland was married to Daphne Myrick Cameron, with whom he had a daughter named Daphne and a son named Cameron. He has four grandchildren: Pete, Melissa, Jack and Helios.

In his later years, he owned the restaurant Ireland's in Santa Barbara, California. An accomplished chef, he regularly worked in the kitchen and concocted Ireland Stew, combining whatever ingredients were available on a given night. He was also a regular at the restaurant's bar, greeting patrons and buying drinks for friends.

The restaurant failed. In May 1977, Ireland declared bankruptcy.

On March 21, 1992, Ireland died in Santa Barbara, California of leukemia at the age of 78. He is buried at the Santa Barbara Cemetery.

For his contribution to the television industry, he was commemorated with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame at 1610 Vine Street.

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Dui Finn

Dui Finn, son of Sétna Innarraid, was, according to medieval Irish legend and historical tradition, a High King of Ireland. He took power after killing his predecessor, and his father's killer, Siomón Brecc. He ruled for ten years, before he was killed by Siomón's son Muiredach Bolgrach. The Lebor Gabála Érenn synchronises his reign with those of Xerxes I (485–465 BC) and Artaxerxes I (465–424 BC) of Persia. The chronology of Geoffrey Keating's Foras Feasa ar Éirinn dates his reign to 679–674 BCBC, that of the Annals of the Four Masters to 904–894 BC.

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Antonio Prohías

Antonio Prohías (January 17, 1921 – February 24, 1998) was a Cuban-American cartoonist. He was the creator of the satirical comic strip Spy vs. Spy, which he illustrated for Mad magazine from 1961 to 1987.

Biography
In 1946, Prohías was given the Juan Gualberto Gómez award, recognizing him as the foremost cartoonist in Cuba. By the late 1940s, Prohías had begun working at El Mundo, the most important newspaper in Cuba at the time. In January 1959, Prohías was the president of the Cuban Cartoonists Association; after Fidel Castro seized power, he personally honored the cartoonist for his anti-Batista political cartoons. But Prohías soon soured on Castro's actions of muzzling the press. When he drew cartoons to this effect, he was accused of working for the CIA by Fidel Castro's government. Consequently, he resigned from the newspaper in February 1959.

With his professional career in limbo, Prohías left Cuba for New York on May 1, 1960, working in a garment factory by day and building a cartoon portfolio for Mad by night. Ten weeks later, he walked into Mad's offices unannounced. He spoke no English, but his daughter Marta acted as an interpreter for him. Before he'd left, he had an $800 check and had sold his first three Spy vs. Spy cartoons to Mad. In late 1986, he sold his 241st and last Spy strip before retiring due to illness. Prohías also wrote and drew six paperback collections featuring the Spies. During an interview with the Miami Herald in 1983, Prohías gloated, "The sweetest revenge has been to turn Fidel's accusation of me as a spy into a moneymaking venture."

Two years after Prohías's debut in the magazine, cartoonist Sergio Aragonés made the trek from Mexico to New York in search of work. Because Aragonés's command of English was then shaky, he asked that Prohías be present to serve as an interpreter. According to Aragonés, this proved to be a mistake, since Prohías knew even less English than he did. When Prohías introduced the young artist to the Mad editors as "Sergio, my brother from Mexico," the Mad editors thought they were meeting "Sergio Prohías." Twelve years later, Mad writer Frank Jacobs reported that Prohías's conversational English was limited to "Hello" and "How are you, brother?" Said Aragonés, who speaks six languages, "Even I could not understand him that well." Al Jaffee joked, "Antonio is non-lingual!"

The Mad staff occasionally took group vacations, traveling en masse to other countries. Prohías took part in these vacations when possible, but as a Cuban exile, he had trouble gaining admission into some countries. At the airport before a Mad vacation to Italy, an airport official said, "You can leave if you want, but you can never come back." He later presented a drawing to MAD publisher William M. Gaines which showed himself being blocked by angry airport officials, letting his heart fly over their heads to the rest of the MAD gang. A note at the bottom translates to: "Mr. Gaines, my heart will always travel with you."

Although he is most famous for Spy vs. Spy, the majority of his comic strips, such as El Hombre Siniestro, La Mujer Siniestra, and Tovarich, were published mostly or only in Cuba. Altogether, only about 20 of his roughly 270 contributions to Mad were of subjects and gags other than his spy series. One of those was the iconic cover image for issue #154 in 1972, depicting Alfred E. Neuman eating an ear of corn while leaving a single row of kernels unscathed due to the gap in his upper teeth. Most of the available information on Prohías's other work can be seen in the Spy Vs Spy Complete Casebook (Watson-Guptill, 2001) and the Spy vs. Spy Omnibus (DC Comics, 2011).

He died of lung cancer, aged 77 and was buried in Woodlawn Park Cemetery and Mausoleum (now Caballero Rivero Woodlawn North Park Cemetery and Mausoleum) in Miami, Florida.

Characters other than Spy vs. Spy

 * El Hombre Siniestro: (The Sinister Man) wore a wide-brimmed hat and overcoat and had a long pointed nose, becoming the prototype for the Spies. His description from the Spy Vs Spy Complete Casebook says it best: "A dark and dastardly character, El Hombre Siniestro thought nothing of chopping the tails off of dogs, or even the legs off of little girls. . . [he] was born out of the national psychosis of the Cuban people." At the time right after Castro rose to power, there was a pronounced feeling of fatality and sinisterness in Cuba, and Prohías depicted this through his twisted El Hombre Siniestro strip. He and La Mujer Siniestra can be easily compared to the Spies—although, instead of fighting against a set rival, they simply do horrible things to anyone they can find. El Hombre Siniestro debuted in Bohemia in 1956, although in later years Prohías created new strips for Zig-Zag Libre after he moved to Miami.
 * La Mujer Siniestra: (The Sinister Woman) Like her counterpart, La Mujer Siniestra is about the titular character causing misery for everyone else. However, unlike El Hombre Siniestro's mostly unrelated crimes, many of her strips involve either her attempt to find love (like, for example, cuckolding someone else's lover) or to ruin other women.
 * Tovarich: Tovarishch is Russian for "comrade," and so Tovarich was meant to be both a representation of the Communist Soviet government and of Fidel Castro. He is a corrupt Soviet dictator meant to parody Fidel. However, since Castro had not yet announced he was a Communist, nobody could complain about the comic. Since the setting was Russia and not Cuba, it could not be explicitly found as criticism. When his Communist colleagues complained, he would reply, "What? What's wrong with it? It's not about Cuba, it's about Russia." Tovarich's appearance changed through the years; originally he wore a military cap with a star and had longer hair, but in the "funeral for Agapito" picture in the Complete Casebook, he wears a typical Russian ushanka (round rabbit fur hat) with a hammer and sickle on it. Tovarich first appeared in Prensa Libre in 1959, with a sampling of strips shown in the "Nyets to You Department" in MAD #68 of January 1962. Like the Sinister Man and Woman, he was usually up to nasty tricks and getting away with them: in one strip, drawn at the height of the Cold War, he offers the hand of friendship to Uncle Sam; Uncle Sam is delighted and takes it, unaware that he is shaking the hand of a dummy while the real Tovarich is literally about to stab him in the back. Another such cartoon showed the materialism of the Politburo while denouncing the materialism of everyone else and preventing native people from acquiring wealth: A man is envisioning himself driving a luxury car, to which Tovarich dunks his head in ice water, from which the man emerges comatose and now only thinking of the hammer and sickle, supposedly now an obedient Communist who knows better than to think of acquiring wealth for himself. The man is then ordered to be a driver, where he is then shown chauffeuring Tovarich in a luxury car, who is smugly smoking a cigar.
 * The Diplomat: An extremely minor character, but noteworthy for the fact that he had his own small feature of comic strips in MAD's Big Book of Spy vs Spy Capers and Other Surprises (Warner Books, 1982) and appeared in the MADtv "Spy vs. Spy" short, "Defection". He also appeared in the Fall 1970 Special, in a group of strips that might be said to bear a slight resemblance to Otto Soglow's more benign The Little King. He wears a waistcoat, black jacket with coattails, a medal and a top hat, and also sports a long, pointed nose somewhat similar to that of the Spies.
 * Erizo: A character who appears in the "funeral" picture in the Complete Casebook, although nothing about him or his comic is explained. He debuted in the magazine Carteles in 1948. Some comic pages can be found online.
 * Oveja Negra: Also known as Black Sheep. A young boy wearing a propeller beanie, T-shirt and shorts. He appears in some of the artwork for the Complete Casebook, including the "funeral" picture. (It's worth noting that, in the aforementioned funeral picture, Oveja Negra is the only one who appears to be mourning.) He debuted in Informacion in 1949.
 * Anti-Communist and Anti-Castro cartoons: Featured in The Complete Spy vs. Spy Casebook, shows arguably Prohías' most serious cartoons, such as depicting Castro as a mermaid singing a siren song to lure sailors to their deaths, or a skeleton having difficulty eating meals with the caption "Gentlemen, it is very difficult to eat with a hammer and sickle!"

Other items published in Mad

 * "One-Shot Dept.: Vengeance" (#66, October 1961, p. 13)
 * A caveman kills another caveman with an arrow to the head. The dead body nourishes the living arrow, which grows into a tree. In the modern day, a motorist who resembles the first caveman crashes into the tree.

 * "Follow Through Dept.: More Than Meets the Eye!" (also #66, pp. 33–34)
 * Four comic strips, each three panels, are printed so that the middle panel, which explains the outcome, can be seen only by holding the page up to the light.

 * Issue #101 (March 1966, front cover)
 * Prohías came up with the gag for the cover painting by Norman Mingo of Alfred E. Neuman reading Shakespeare in class, hidden behind a copy of this issue of MAD (rather than vice versa). However, in Mad Cover to Cover, Sergio Aragonés is credited with the gag.

 * "Flowery Language Dept.: A Portfolio of MAD Blooming Idiosyncrasies" (#115, December 1967, pp. 28–30)
 * Various human conditions and emotions personified by flowers.

 * "The Artist" (#138, October 1970, back cover; reprinted in Fall '85 Special and XL #2, in which Prohías was the artist of the issue)
 * An artist sets up a picture frame around a beautiful landscape, runs a knife along the edge of the frame, and then walks away with a framed picture of the landscape, leaving a gaping hole in the spot where the land used to be.

 * "Split Personalities Dept.: The Irony of Fate" (Spring '71 Special, pp. 11–13)
 * Ten two-panel tales of star-crossed lovers; for example, two babies who love each other, being carried by storks, are dropped off separately in West and East Berlin. Two eggs are also lovers until they hatch, as one is a bird and the other a bird-eating snake.

 * "The Tourist" (#150, April 1972, inside front cover)
 * A man is persuaded by a window display to sign up for a cruise, and then finds that the "cruise" is just a fake cardboard setup like the window display.

 * "Finders, Weepers Dept.: The Treasure Map" (#159, June 1973. p. 19)
 * A collector discovers a treasure map hidden in the dug-out pages of an old book, travels to a hazardous jungle to find the treasure, and then finds that the treasure is simply the pages dug out of the book.

 * "Fortune Kookie Dept.: The Old Ball Game" (#161, September 1973, p. 42)
 * A man visits a fortune teller, whose crystal ball sees him behind bars; but he is a police officer who puts her in jail for fraud. Later, she sees him on the other side of the bars in the same way it was shown in the crystal ball.

 * "Broom Shtick Dept.: A Witch's Tale" (#163, December 1973, p. 33)
 * A witch gets a new broom for her birthday and throws away her old broom. The old broomstick is used to make toothpicks, and restaurant customers who use the toothpicks have their teeth fly away.

 * "Scotched on the Rocks Dept.: The Photo Contest" (Winter '73 Special, p. 9)
 * A man fakes a photo of the Loch Ness Monster to enter in a contest, and then finds that the winning photo shows the real monster behind him as he is taking his fake photo.

 * "Grin and Bearer Dept.: On a Safari" (#167, June 1974, pp. 29–30)
 * An explorer in Africa captures a giraffe, his guides standing on each other's shoulders to transport it in a cage.

 * "MAD Artists' Response to an Article: Draw This Figure" (#178, October 1975, pp. 2–3)
 * In place of the usual letters page, and in a parody of the typical art school advertisement, 12 MAD artists contribute their renditions of a horse, Prohías drawing it as a pair of chess knights portrayed by the spies glaring at each other.

 * "Shell-Shock Dept.: The Pearl" (Fall '75 Special, pp. 11–12)
 * An oyster travels through the hands of several people, the last finally opening it and finding an advertisement for a pearl shop.

 * "Don Martin Dept.: One Special Day in the Dungeon" (#277, March 1988, p. 45)
 * Prohías came up with a prison birthday cake gag for the last strip Don Martin drew for MAD.

 * "Quick Draw Guffaw Dept.: Play Pictionary with the MAD Artists" (#284, January 1989, pp. 14–15)
 * Given the theme "Gluttony," Prohías contributes a quickly-drawn panel of the two spies dining on a pig with a bomb in its mouth.

 * "National Business Machines" (Super Special March 1996, p. 25)
 * In a never-before-published older strip, a man enters a showroom, sees demonstrations of various models of a product, and makes a purchase; but rather than buying the product, he buys one of product demonstrators, who is revealed to be a robot.

title: Antonio Prohías


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Talk:Snoopy

Peanuts Theme Song
The American rock band Built To Spill has released a cover of the Snoopy theme song "Linus and Lucy" on the Monitor This compilation. Rockhopper10r 07:47, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This should be in the article on "Peanuts" or perhaps Lucy van Pelt or Linus van Pelt. Snoopy is not "Peanuts", he is not even the most important character—that would be Charlie Brown.

 * Good point. I've removed it. Probably should add it to the Peanuts page or something. -R. fiend 02:12, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks! I realise now that I forgot to identify myself earlier! Rockhopper10r 07:47, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

World War 2?!
"His arch-enemy (other than the Red Baron) is the cat next door named 'World War II' (and cats in general)." Can anyone verify this for me? I'm familiar with most of the stuff in here, and the cat, but I never heard it called "World War II". Is this just me? Thanx 68.39.174.150 23:28, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There was a sequence circa 1977-78 where Peppermint Patty is angry with Snoopy for enrolling her in the "Ace Obedience School" (she thought it was a private school). She sees the cat next door and says to Charlie Brown "That looks like a dog in a cat suit". CB warns her that that is "World War II, the cat who lives next door...He's mean!" In her anger, PP insists that it is Snoopy and she attacks him (off panel, of course). AFAIK, this is the only time the cat is referred to by his name.

Rockhopper10r 04:29, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've posted this elsewhere, but this link shows the Cat Next Door's name.Rockhopper10r 17:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep Tech Control
The reference to “tech control” should not be removed. If anything, there should be a reference to Schulz’s gift of that particular picture. I can’t find a copy of the pic anywhere on the internet either, but know plenty of Air Force personnel who wore the shirt and should have got one myself when I went through Tech School at the (currently flooded & closed) 332 training Sq. at Keesler AFB. Specifically, the AF career fields got recoded @ 15 yrs ago, and the story goes that Schulz was involved somehow in the old 493x1 field, called “Telecommunication Systems Management …” the x and “…” stand for the appropriate career level ie, apprentice, etc. I entered in 93’ with a 493 reserved slot and got the new 3C2x1 code, now called “Telecommunications Systems Control…” or simply Systems Control. Since Schulz officially “gave” this picture to the AF, it is one of the officially sanctioned “uniform” pictures approved to go with unit emblems. Not on formal uniforms per se, but when BDU tops are removed for “work” approved color T-shirts might have the Squadron’s official emblem on the front, and members of Tech/Systems Control are allowed to have the Snoopy Water Walker on the back. I’ve looked all over the internet and would love a copy of it. If I ever get one I’ll clean this up and add the post to Snoopy’s wiki page Deusbeatus 16:48, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Water Walkers
Thanks for not removing that entry of Snoopy being the mascot for Tech controllers. I am a relatively new Tech Controller and I think that is a very interesting bit of history. I will try to find a picture of the insignia and post it here. 66.98.131.102 01:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC) Stefan

 * This should shed some light on everything and here is the web site that I retrieved the information and picture from. http://3c2.us/node/78

--Stefanmeyers 02:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

 * There is actually an unofficial website for USAF Tech Controllers at http://www.3c2.us and the topic of how snoopy became the mascot is explained in detail within their forums here and here .  A link to the image above and the original tech control snoopy is here
 * The domain name has expired now. 194.100.223.164 (talk) 08:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

 * The image should have been uploaded as PNG file, to permit the background to be transparent, or at least should have been edited to change the background to white. It's also a fairly "dirty" JPEG rendering and could use cleanup before committing to Wikimedia Commons. — QuicksilverT @ 16:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

NASA "Silver Snoopy" award
Take a look at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/osf/sfa/snoopy.html if you are interested in the NASA Space Flight Awareness Silver Snoopy Award.

Snoopy's breed
Who else thinks Snoopy looks more like a Jack Russell terrier than a beagle? Has anyone else ever thought of this?
 * Determining Snoopy's breed by his appearance would be difficult. He does not look much like a beagle (I have a beagle. He's cute, but he doesn't look like Snoopy). Originally, Snoopy's breed was uncertain. At one point Charlie Brown even says he doesn't know Snoopy's breed (Lucy suggests "Miscellaneous"). Eventually, Snoopy began to be referred to as a beagle, which was consitent throughout the rest of the run of "Peanuts".Rockhopper10r 17:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I own two beagles and their behaviour and mannerisms are EXTREMELY similar to Snoopy's - so much so that I often say to people that the snoopy cartoons are more like documentaries about beagles, rather than cartoons. If you look at the early cartoons, the way Snoopy is drawn is much more like a beagle than the contemporary interpretation of the character.  And definitely NOTHING like a Jack Russell!!! Cyberbeagle 17:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

 * He doesn't look the least bit like JR. He has round-ish ears and nose like a beagle, straight/curved round tail like a beagle, black area on his back like a beagle, proportions of a beagle with a cartoon head, and rear legs like a beagle. Even if he wasn't pure and it wasn't mentioned in the comics, it's still the most obvious resemblance. blades (talk) 18:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

If you google "snoopy beagle" and click images you will see a dozen strips in which Schultz references the fact at Snoopy is indeed a Beagle.

On Snoopy's history
Rockhopper10r is right, and there are several contradicting points in Snoopy's curriculum (quite naturally: it's difficult to keep consistent in details over the decades). For many early years of the strip, Snoopy even wasn't Charlie Brown's dog: he was fed, walked, washed and commanded by several characters, and it was unclear whether he actually belonged to any of them. He was not a stray dog, since from very early on, he was provided for a doghouse; rather he seemed to be a nice neighbourhood dog with which the children liked to play, and he with them. It has become a cliché that "in 1958, Snoopy rose to his hind legs". In fact, for about a decade after that, he walked alternately on four or two legs - on two mostly when he had something to do with his forelegs: hitting with a bat, carrying something or playing a trumpet. Not before the late 60s or early 70s did he begin to walk exclusively on his hindlegs. - Voice from Finland, 18 May 2006

The text says "Over the course of the strip's run, it was revealed that Snoopy had been born and raised at the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm." I remember a strip where someone refers to his origin using the word "born" and Snoopy, via his usual thought balloon corrects him. "NOT BORN. 'WHELPED' IS THE CORRECT TERM!" or something close to that. Perhaps the text should be changed to reflect the subject's own preference? WHPratt (talk) 15:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I managed to see the strip in question and have the exact wording, but not the date.

Lucy (scolds Snoopy): You're lazy, do you know that? ... You've been lazy since the day you were born! Snoopy (thought balloon): Not "born" .... "whelped," and continues in the next panel "Some people never get anything right." It's reprinted in ''Snoopy: Cowabunga! A Peanuts Collection'' (2013) by Charles M. Schulz, p 194. Unfortunately, the date on the strip says 8/19/02, no doubt a reprint date for a much earlier creation. WHPratt (talk) 23:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Snoopy's dislike of coconut and cookies
I don't know about Snoopy's dislike of coconut but I am 100% certain that chocolate-chip cookies are his favorite. Change?

In the early days (1950's) Snoopy would try to get Charlie Brown's candy. It got to the point that CB would buy Coconut so Snoopy would leave him alone. The problem with this was that Charlie Brown HATED cocont also. Herogamer (talk) 19:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Arguably the most recognizable comic character in the world
Shouldn't this be "one of the most recognizable"? Is he (worldwide!) more recognizable than Tintin, a Smurf, Popeye, ...? Fram 15:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Somebody fixed it. It now reads "among the most recognizable comic characters in the world" (Sorry, I just hate unfinished talk messages.)  J o s h  23:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

the Red Baron (who appeared vicariously through the bulletholes he left riddled in the doghouse).
Vicariously? I know what it means, but it seems strange in this sentence... confusion with victorious? Fram 15:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe "indirectly" would be a better word. The Red Baron (who "appeared" indirectly through the bulletholes he left riddled in the doghouse). I'm not even so sure "appeared" should be there. Maybe it should be, The Red Baron (whose presence was made known by the bulletholes he left riddled in the doghouse)? --Birdhombre 15:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Snoopy in popular culture
Like many "popular culture" sections of articles, this was quickly getting out of hand. Snoopy has been one of the most recognized and most licensed characters ever. If we're listing every single time he's appeared anywhere, this article will be nothing but a giant laundry list. I've taken all but (IMO) the most important entries. I think we should say something about the space capsule named after him; the fact that there's a Snoopy theme park somewhere in Hong Kong or once Garfield made a joke about him is really not that noteworthy. —Chowbok 17:18, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

 * What about Snoop Dogg? Seems like there should be some reference to that here. 11 Oct 2007
 * I see that someone tried to put in a popular culture section and someone else removed it. Folks, we've been there, done that, and the consensus is currently to leave it out.  There were so many popular culture references in each of the Peanuts articles that they were spun off into a Peanuts in popular culture article, which was huge and kept growing and lacked references. Then it went to AFD  (and I missed it!) and it was deleted. Chowbok is right: there are zillions of Peanuts homages, parodies and what-have-you, because it was a major part of the culture for half a century. Much as I love a good Peanuts bit in some tv show or comic strip, it is far too common to be notable, even if it happened to be in your favorite show.  Sorry. --Karen | Talk | contribs 03:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Brown Snoopy?
I took this out (twice):

"The original Snoopy books although printed in black and white fetaured colour front covers and show Snoopy as a brown beagle. After the comics went into colour, Snoopy was left Black and White - an oddity as these are not colours that Beagles come in."

I don't believe this is true. See the first three Peanuts books here. The first one's cover was black and white, the second one was color but did not feature Snoopy, and the third one was color and showed Snoopy as white. Please do not re-add this without supporting evidence. —Chowbok 00:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

 * See also this painting Schulz made in 1951. The strip was only a few months old, and Snoopy is white with a black spot.—Chowbok 00:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, Snoopy was based on Schulz's dog Spike, who was mostly white with a few black spots, so it would make sense if Snoopy were colored white right from the start. See this image. --Birdhombre 14:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It is true that there are books that did depict Snoopy as being brown (and I didn't write that in the original article!) - here's the back pages of three Snoopy books published by Coronet, and they all show a brown Snoopy. Let's Face it Charlie Brown, Here Comes Snoopyand Good Grief Charlie Brown. And actually, while Beagles are commonly tricolour, black and white Beaglesare not unheard of. Cyberbeagle 18:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Reading the article on Beagles, I find that "Tricolour Beagles are almost always born black and white, with the brownish areas developing later. The brown may take between one and two years to fully develop." Also, in Argentina at least, it is common to give a stuffed Snoopy to your significant other because Snoopy is the only black and white beagle, and is considered very special.  Oscabatt (talk) 02:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

 * But those images only show brown colour in the print, not a real reference in the content. You can see all the other colours also seem very awkward and I think they were picked almost at random for the printing technology of the time. Possibly just to have more colour on the page so you wouldn't "waste" colour printing on a picture of a black and white dog. Especially on the covers. At least my copies don't seem to have any specific information on cover art or inkers. blades (talk) 18:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

 * No, you're right that these books never say that this is what Charles Schultz intended, however the lines that were in contention said that there were books that depicted a brown-coloured Snoopy, which other members thought was incorrect. However my post and scans were to show that there were indeed books that depicted Snoopy as brown.  Whether this was Schultz's editorial intention or not isn't the question - it's whether these books existed or not!  Also, the other colours shown seem to be close enough to the characters' traditional colours that I personally would find it hard to suggest anything other than the books publishers deliberately chose brown, and not a random colour.  Cyberbeagle (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed addition to Snoopy and aviation
I was about to add a blurb about the Silver Snoopy, the Space Flight Awareness award presented solely by (NASA) astronauts, when I saw the note to discuss any additions to that section here first. See above where someone left a URL about the Silver Snoopy. The award is generally regarded in the American spaceflight community as the highest honor available. Following is the text that I was about to add...

 * The Silver Snoopy is the award presented by NASA astronauts to members of the space flight community for contributions to flight safety and mission success or outstanding performance. The sterling silver pin is a likeness of Snoopy in a stylized spacesuit.

-- Pawl 20:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't leave the note, but I am guessing it's due to such things now located at Peanuts in popular culture.

Feel free to add the information. Any references would obviously be great too : )

I think that that whole section could use some cleanup and organisation. So any help would be appreciated : ) - jc37 20:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Someone did add the Silver Snoopy info, and I added a cite for it (and a refs section to display it). Might it be worth importing the image of it, as seen on this page? Since it's on a gov web site, there should be no copyvio or fair use issue for it.Karen | Talk | contribs 21:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Snoopy was the name of the modified Lockheed Hercules used by the Met Office for its research flights. I propose this be added. The aeroplane can be seen here. Hammersfan 01/03/07, 11.55 GMT

"The Apollo 10 lunar module was nicknamed "Snoopy" and the command module "Charlie Brown". " I remember reading somewhere that Schulz was cautioned about letting NASA use those names. If the lunar mission resulted in a disaster, they told him, his coimic strip would probably be ruined by the grim association. Supposedly, he replied that the astronauts were risking far more, and went ahead with the plan. I'll try to locate a reference. WHPratt (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC) Here it is: Charlie Brown & Charlie Schulz, by Lee Mendelson in association with Charles M. Schulz. Signet Books, 1971. "We have mentioned that Charles Schulz is a gambler, a man who doesn't sit pat on success. The New York Times headlined: "Creator of Peanuts Tempts Fate on Apollo Mission. Certainly, if a tragedy had occurred, as well it might have, the symbols would forever remain in man's mind as symbols of disaster. But Sparky has always had faith in the Apollo program, from the very start, and he felt if those men could risk their lives, the least he could do would be to risk the populatity of the characters." [pp. 239-240] WHPratt (talk) 01:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Second image
The second image (the strip introducing Snoopy), when placed on the left, obscures some text. When put on the left, it doesn't. I'm running Firefox 1.5.0.9 on Windows XP with a widescreen. Before we continue shuffling the image about, can some other people please try the current and previous versions on their machine(s) and comment on the results? Thanks! Fram 13:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The strip should be placed at the right, per style guidelines, I believe? However, if you're having technical issues, we should try to resolve those. What text is being obscured, and why is only this image doing so? - jc37 13:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The WP:MOS only indicates putting the first image to the right, and does indicatethat other images may be either left or right (and suggests alternating). You can of course discuss if the infobox is an image or not, making the Snoopy strip the first or second one. As for what text is obscured, it is the line starting "He would also pretend to be various other animals, including a snake,", where the rest of the line is hidden behind the image (the hidden text being ", rhinoceros, and vulture. But his eccentricities did not stop there. "). Bizarrely, in the second version, the obscured text only started after ", rhinoceros, and vult"... The reason is probably that the infobox spans different sections, which has caused me similar problems in the past on other articles. These were then solved by either putting the image lower, or placing it on the left. I welcome any other solution (except abandoning either XP or Firefox, which is not a user-friendly solution of course), the image doesn't have to be at the left side at all, but I think it is an acceptable compromise for the time being unless someone else has problems by the new position (if it now obscures text on InternetExplorer browsers, pleae do put it back to the right!).
 * I have now saved an alternative position of the images, all to the rigth, but a bit lower. This gives no problems on my side. It looks to me as if it is caused by an image on the right which position on-screen is already taken by the infobox, forcing it to be positioned above some other text somehow. The new position is on my browser below the ionfobox and thus gives no problems. Fram 14:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I shrunk the size of the infobox image, so maybe that will prevent the issue. - jc37 16:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Snoopy as a writer (the 'Character' Chapter)
In the end of the 'Character' Chapter, reference is made to Snoopy as a writer and it is also mentionned that many of the most memorable moments of the strip involve Snoopy and his typewriter. It came to my mind, that the last Peanuts strip published in newspapers worldwide just days after the death of Schulz was a single frame with Snoopy typing Schulz's farewell message to the readers of Peanuts, as Schulz had already decided to stop drawing the strip. I do not have this particular strip and I don't remember his message, but if someone found it, it would be a good addition to this part of the article. Crockett616 11:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC) Crockett616

What about snoopy's baseball games?
We have all seen Snoopy's extraordinary skill in baseball, so why aren't they mentioned here? Or did that just slip out of your minds? =p

The idea of Snoopy
I was reading an article about Ripley's believe it or not creator and it says that Snoopy is a depiction of Charles Schulz beagle dog he had as a child, is this true? if so maybe it should be added--McNoddy 08:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "Spike, Schulz's dog, served as the model for the first Snoopy." Source: "Snoopy, Charlie Brown et les autres. L'album de famille de Schulz" ISBN 978-27-3242-681-5  J o s h  22:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I introduced this to the article, in a somewhat clumsy manner.  J o s h  22:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

TARDIS
I noticed that when the article refers to his doghouse "being bigger on the inside", it links to the article on the Tardis, from Doctor Who. This seems a little... off. I'm not sure WHAT the term is offhand (and can't really look, since I'm currently at work), but isn't there a better general term for this? I can't really look myself at the moment, but if I get the chance, I can look when I get home from work. Umbralcorax 20:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I always assumed the doghouse had a big basement or something. Applejuicefool (talk) 17:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It certainly does. That's where the Van Gogh and the pool table are. There's a few references to people falling down the stairs and Charlie and Linus carrying his fikus plant out to get some sun, IIRC. Of course this doesn't contradict being bigger on the inside. blades (talk) 18:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe to Americans this might be an odd term (though with it being referenced in NCIS, maybe not!) but on this side of the pond it's not unusual to describe something that appears bigger on the inside to be TARDIS-like. Maybe that's what the original poster was referring to? Certainly on Gallifrey Base there's a discussion about the Gallifreyan nature of Snoopy as he seems to have a TARDIS kennel!!  LOL. Cyberbeagle (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Agree, snoopys dog house is a tardis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.189.130.90 (talk) 19:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Properly speaking, though, the TARDIS is like Snoopy's doghouse, rather than vice versa. The relative dimensions (bigger on the inside) of Snoopy's doghouse were established as canon in a strip dated 31 January 1954, which is nearly 10 years prior to the premiere of Doctor Who. Even so, I like to think that Snoopy is a Time Lord... er, Time Dog. -- JeffBillman (talk) 12:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Snoopy Meets the Bear
This unofficial patch from the Apollo-Soyuz Test Program of 1975 might merit entry or mention.

http://www.spacepatches.nl/astp_frame.html

I believe Snoopy featured on several unofficial Skylab mission patches as well. kencf0618 (talk) 04:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Doghouse on fire
"The doghouse was destroyed several times over the years, being finally burned to the ground (September 19, 1966)."

 * How did this happen? Is there more information available about this in the www?--80.141.235.129 (talk) 22:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

 * IIRC it was the result of a lightning strike during a bad storm, though I'm not sure the strips are available online. They were reprinted in the "Peanuts Treasury" hardcover book that came out in the 1970s. There's a book available from Amazon by that name, but I don't know if it's the same or not: the 1970s one had a color version of a strip referencing the Biblical book of Job on the cover. 68.105.71.75 (talk) 08:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

i smiled!
the first sentence informs us that snoopy is a fictional character. i would have thought from the image he's a real thing! :P 212.200.205.163 (talk) 01:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Birthday?
Are you sure the birthday's on October 4? Because I found a strip dated 8/28/1951 showing Charlie Brown (and someone else) celebrating Snoopy's birthday. (Link) 216.63.105.176 (talk) 02:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually, thanks to Rockhopper10r on this, but I found that the comic contradicted itself. Same site, Snoopy's birthday was celebrated on August the TENTH, 1968. (Link) (Again, thanks to Rockhopper10 for that.) Newwikiprofile001 (talk) 21:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Snoopy and SMEAT
Snoopy appeared on a piece of NASA art not shown here, but depicted elsewhere on Wikipedia. He was the mascot for the Skylab Medical Experiment Altitude Test, and his patch can be found here: Orville Eastland (talk) 22:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Snoopy's change of look
This article appears to be sorely missing the essential explanation/talk at to Snoopy's evolution and its radical look change from its 1950's original drawings which is what I came here to read about. Only found a one-liner about Snoopy going on 2 legs like a human and a longer snout. Rather scant explanation. The Beagle got a nose job and at the very minimum a jpeg is here needed to illustrate "the change". Why did Schulz revamp the Snoop? (along with all the characters, but this is a Snoopy page and it got the most impressive change; it's almost like it's not even drawn by the original cartoonist guy. A wiki article needs first and foremost the basics, does anyone know the answer and could append to this please?--Igel B TyMaHe (talk)13:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Snoopy vs. The Red Baron
When the article reaches the point where it discusses Snoopy's most famous alternate personalaity, the WWI Flying Ace, it has a sentence which states "The supposed rivalry even lead to the video game Snoopy vs. the Red Baron for the Super Nintendo." 'Snoopy vs. the Red Baron' for the Super Nintendo? I never heard of such a game for the SNES, and it's not listed on the Peanuts mediagraphy page's video game section either. I tried looking it up for the SNES on GamesFAQ but couldn't find it there. The only Snoopy vs. the Red Baron I can find is the 2006 game by Smart Bomb Interactive, which was only released for PS2, PSP, and PC. Though according to that [|article] there were cancelled plans for an Xbox and GameCube versions. Which brings up another point, the SNES probably wasn't having many games made for it anymore in 2006, considering Nintendo had already gone to the Nintendo 64 and it's successor, the GameCube, by then. The mediagraphy page does list three games that pitted Snoopy against the Red Baron, the 2006 game, 1983's Snoopy and the Red Baron for the Atari 2600 (incorrectly listed as a 1984 release in the mediagraphy page as the [|article on the game], the GamesFAQ page on the game, and the article on the list of Atari 2600 games all list it as a 1983 release), and 2010's Snoopy Flying Ace for the Xbox 360. Unless someone can prove there was an SNES game by this title, this sentence should probably be either edited or omitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.77.179 (talk) 22:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

snoopy
How old is Snoopy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.189.130.90 (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Bridge player
http://www.bridgebum.com/bridge_players.php --P64 (talk) 23:56, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I added Snoopy and Woodstock to List of contract bridge people with the source that BridgeBum provides, a New York Times bridge column. --P64 (talk) 18:00, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Snoopy a "minor" character?
An editor has been inserting here (and over at Peanuts as well) the bizarre, unsourced, and false claim that Snoopy was a minor character until the 1970s. This is a character who appeared in almost half of the first month's strips, who appeared in almost half of the first month of the 1970s strips. In 1958, a full book was released just of Snoopy strips from 1955 and later, another such book was released in 1963. I cannot undo it myself due to a Snoopy-related conflict of interest; could someone else check that line, and if you agree that it is unsourced and false, delete it? (You may want to review the editor's other work as well.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:53, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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Logo for the Charles M. Schulz–Sonoma County Airport
A suggestion to add to the "In aviation and space" section: the Charles M. Schulz–Sonoma County Airport in California, named after Schulz, has a logo featuring Snoopy in his World War I flying ace attire flying atop his doghouse (see File:Charles M. Schulz - Sonoma County Airport (logo).png). Zzyzx11 (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Edit war over Clash of Clans material
There's an ongoing edit war about inclusion of mention of Clash of Clans going on. May I suggest that the participants discuss inclusion here. If consensus can be reached, then it can be settled (and, if needed, page protection can be used.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not exactly an edit war, it's removing vandalism. Snoopy never appears in Clash of Clans. A very persistent vandal, whose aim is to get the page protected for the thrill of it I guess, keeps IP hopping. Sro23 (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It would make everyone's life easier, then, if you were to request page protection. It's pretty simple to do of you have Twinkle installed; it's RPP on the Twinkle menu. (I'm not doing so myself as I have a WP:COI on this page.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * How can you be so sure that Snoopy never appears in Clash of Clans, Sro23? Do you even play the game to begin with? Please stop acting like an admin when you are not even one. 2001:E68:6C0E:E400:9562:6907:5489:412D (talk) 23:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If you have independent reliable sources discussing Snoopy which state he appears in "Clash of the Clans", present them here and we might have something to include. Otherwise, it is either trivial or not true and does not belong in this article. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 14:57, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, I will add the sources in a few days and I promise not to make the edit without the sources. 2001:E68:6C35:E100:EC2C:3387:AB59:8578 (talk) 09:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

 * SummerPhDv2.0 (and anybody else who is unfamiliar with this user), keep in mind that this user is a self-professed troll and harasser who should be ignored as such. For the sake of it, here is the relevant guideline concerning the removal of troll comments at talk pages. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Stop being rude here, DangerousJXD! What do you even mean by 'self-professed troll'? 2001:E68:6C35:E100:EC2C:3387:AB59:8578 (talk) 09:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Dog Talk
There's a chapter of this article focused on the song "Dog Talk" by a band called K-9 Corps. As those red link should indicate, neither that song nor that band has an article here. A passing mention in an obscure song by an obscure band does not deserve an unsourced paragraph here. I will not delete it myself due to my Peanuts COI, but I ask that others look at that paragraph and evaluate its inclusion. --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

 * I agree with your assessment and have deleted the paragraph. Aoi (青い) (talk) 04:01, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Nat Gertler (talk) 04:09, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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snoopy is now not as liked as before(31% of the world like snoopy) So if you are like me young and free.. don't be scared and stand up to your self. one small thing can make a big differents snoopy however doesent always deserve to be honored, i know myself alot about snoopy, However snoopy can be selfish but.. very loyal to his owner charlie brown thxx for listening bye guyyssss 2405:DA40:1180:1B00:3D0C:B48E:D23D:3336 (talk) 06:24, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Theodor Eicke

Concern
Hello, you took the false birth-place for T.E. - not Solingen, but Hampont, a village east of Château-Salins (german Lorraine then, now situated in the Moselle Département, France). I corrected that, Best regards, WernerE (germanwiki), 12.2.05 ---

It should be noted that the SS-Totenkopfverbände units were never part of the Waffen-SS. Infact, your entire section on the SS-Totenkopfverbände is incorrect. The 3.SS "Totenkopf" was a combat formation, and fought on the front lines of the war. I think you are confusing the 3.SS with the SS-Einsatzgruppen. These formations were, infact, totally seperate. The 3.SS was part of the Waffen-SS, while the Einsatzgruppen was part of the Allgemeine-SS.

Unref tags
The unref tags were removed from this article but no references were added. This was not appropriate IMHO. Suggest that editors with the ability to read German consult the German article for sources.Mtsmallwood (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Rewording
I changed "Eicke and his division distinguished themselves by an unmatched brutality and several war crimes" to "became known for an unmatched brutality ...." Distinguished themselves, with its positive connotations, was inappropriate for such savage acts.

Regarding the subject's photo: A face of evil. Sca (talk) 14:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

crematorium picture
That is a staged scene; not in operation. --41.151.0.98 (talk) 16:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It does show the operation of same; I tweaked the picture to reflect that point. Kierzek (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Primary source
Karl Ullrich's Like a Cliff in the Ocean is a WP:Primary source, supporting potentially unverifiable statement. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:00, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see where it has been used; removed it. Kierzek (talk) 13:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Removal of dates of rank and awards
I have restored Eicke's ranks and awards as these are normal for inclusion in military articles. As has been explained and discussed several times (most recently at Talk:Karl_Wolff), we do not normally remove rank and award information in articles of this nature. If there is a dispute with whether Eicke held certain awards or ranks, that can be discussed. -O.R.Comms 04:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see any consensus in the discussion linked that these awards 'should' be kept: Talk:Karl_Wolff. Please point me to such consensus. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As was explained on that talk page (until people were blue in the face), dates of rank and lists of awards are commonly maintained in military officer articles. The consensus can be found in the archives of WP:MILHIST which has covered this issue before.  The issue of cutting German service awards and lists of Waffen-SS ranks should really be brought up there. (I will post a note when I have a moment) -O.R.Comms 04:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Intersting, Kierzek - who is probably the most experienced pundit on these articles - always turns a blind eye (or is just me) when coffman go on removal spree and obliterate most of data on German WWII military persons, to say nothing about whole articles being deleted. Maybe someone should tell them that a military infobox should contain what is stipulated in the military person infobox template, and is not intricate detail where the person was born or died or what units he served. Or if he served in WWI, gods forbid containing in the infobox as is intricate detail. And perhaps Kierzek know that if someone was awarded the Knight's Cross means that automatically he was also awarded (before) the Iron Cross second and first class, as it was prerequisite both version of Iron Cross to receive the Knight's Cross. So no need to delete the Iron Cross information if you keep the Knight' Cross. Pundits here, maybe you look at Allies military personnel to see how is structured and stop using double standards? Here's one for you (just random): Konstantin_Rokossovsky -unsigned comment
 * I don't agree with your opinion and will leave it at that. Kierzek (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * And here are two more: Colin_Powell / James_Mattis -O.R.Comms 06:43, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sections for awards and dates of promotions are common on military biography articles. I fail to see why, assuming they are reliable sourced, they wouldn't be retained. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As I have written before: "...especially for high ranking members, awards and decorations should be included; and given it is a bio article on the man it is reasonable to include for that reason, as well. Like everything being considered for inclusion or to be removed, discernment should be used. It is fair that they be cited". With that said, being a volunteer project and having to work long hours, I for one, cannot go around and add cites to all these articles; as I am sure we all don't have the time. There needs to be a consensus and common policy used for all; German, American, Soviet (including Russian), Japanese, etc. Kierzek (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

German officers in WW2 should be treated by the same standards as other Ww2 officers (including other Axis one). That means we list their decoration and ranks.Slatersteven (talk) 14:47, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

 * A divisional commander / concentration camp commander is of insufficiently high rank to warrant such a section. This may be more appropriate for a field marshal / army group commander, although the Erich von Manstein article, for example, does not contain it. I thus find the rationale for the Eicke article to have such section to be even more tenuous than it was in Wolff's case.

 * I would note that the content was ultimately removed from the Wolff article, with the closer noting: "There is no clear consensus below about appropriateness of including SS awards in military/paramilitary bios, and it is not likely to be found here" (link).
 * I would also note it wasn't "removed" as you implied, but rather transmigrated to the new article "Service record of Karl Wolff".
 * I've reverted restoration of this material & I am preserving it here by providing this link. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:16, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * First, although it is claimed that this is a Summary of military career, it is actually a summary of Eicke's SS career. After 1918 Eicke was not a military officer, but became an SS-Führer, and the Waffen-SS was the armed wing of the Nazi Party's SS organisation, not a part of the Wehrmacht. Second, Niels Weise's recent biography Eicke (Paderborn, 2013) features a timeline with dates that differ from the dates give here in the English Wikipedia, like promotion to Sturmführer on 27 November 1930, promotion to Standartenführer on 15 November 1931, promotion to Oberführer on 21 October 1932, and so forth.(pp. 439-443). --Assayer (talk) 01:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC) P.S. Two notes for the people interested in Eicke's awards: According to Weise he received an Iron Cross Second Class on 25 April 1916 and an de:König Ludwig-Kreuz Third Degree on 23 August 1917. (p. 439)--Assayer (talk) 02:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If that's true that there are conflicting dates, then a second look is warranted. Although I must say that statements about Record 242 from the National Archive not being a reliable source is pretty ridiculous.  The dates of rank from the front of an SS record itself is as about as reliable as one can get. -O.R.Comms 03:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

So Eicke had the rank of SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS one of the highest rank in the Waffen-SS and equivalent of a General, and coffman says commander is of insufficiently high rank to warrant such a section. Once again, coffman demonstrates how ignorant is and begs to question his competence to decide what should or should not be in military history biographical articles. And particularly what constitutes "intricate detail" in military biographies, and the appropriate structure for biography articles in general, and military biographies in particular. Maybe he could finally tell us as they have been many editors left perplexed by his edit history, particularly as he have never added to Nazi Germany WWII military personnel related articles in a constructive way. And his own attitude of Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:OR makes it difficult, he is involved in edit warring with other contributors almost every day.

I agree with OberRanks not to be involved in edit war even though coffman is too busy deleting that information or clues about it that would be useful to other editors who are actually interested in developing a balanced article, and for reference to dates of the ranks pls also see German wiki: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Eicke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.230.139.45 (talk) 08:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with the comments above that it is pretty ridiculous to claim that Eicke was of "such low importance" as a Waffen-SS divisional commander that we should not include his dates of ranks and awards. Eicke was also not simply a camp commander - he was head of the entire concentration camp service and also the driving force behind the creation of the Totenkopf division which was one of the cadre units of the Waffen-SS.  I don't plan to re-add this material (yet) since there is an ongoing discussion at WP:MILHIST about this matter.  Also, the original editor who blanked the information has expressed a desire to shift to a more friendly approach and allow such material with inline citations.  I think that is a very good compromise. -O.R.Comms 14:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * concerning conflicting dates: I have also checked Joachim Lilla's Statisten in Uniform (2004). He gives the same dates as Weise. Both works have used SSO 180 and SSO 181. Weise has used both the originals and the microfilms at College Park. He also used a folder on Eicke from the BDC and the NSDAP-Gaukartei, the Dienstaltersliste der SS 1934 and various other files. Anyone who does biographical research on the Nazi era should be aware that many dates are purely formal. Take for example the differences between the dates of the commission (Patent bzw. Dienstalter) and the date of the actual promotion. Finally, I don't see a reason why someone should refer to the SSO, when the complete bio and dates are available in Lilla's standard work. The dates should at least have been crosschecked. I imagine that there is a copy available at many libraries. If not, I will be willing to provide a copy (PDF) as of Weise's timeline. --Assayer (talk) 17:24, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I was going to look into this matter further, but since you two gentlemen are on it, so to speak, I will work on other matters during my limited time. BTW: I checked Michael Miller's book and he has the same dates mentioned for the examples above by Assayer, such as: promotion to Sturmführer on 27 November 1930, promotion to Standartenführer on 15 November 1931, promotion to Oberführer on 21 October 1932. (p. 287) Kierzek (talk) 18:31, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * My copy of Eicke's record is actually in a cardboard box in a St. Louis storage facility, along with Wolff, Daluge, Kaltenbrunner, Jecklen, Hausser, and a few others. Hopefully will have a chance to go get it within a month or so.  In the meantime, thank you all around for the civil conversation.  K.E. and Assayer - you have raised some good points. -O.R.Comms 20:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Clarification: I've stated on my Talk page that I would tag articles on high-ranking SS men before deleting unsourced material (if they have not been previously tagged) diff. But I did not say that I would allow such material with inline citations. I still consider this undue, indiscriminate detail. And it's really not up to me to "allow" or "not allow" such material :-). It's up to Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and community consensus.
 * I would note that no consensus to keep this material has developed at Karl Wolff discussion. Please also see: Verifiability. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:30, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The post on Military History Noticeboard tends to be leaning towards the opinion that cited dates of ranks and awards is perfectly acceptable on Wikipedia. As for this article, if the material is added again with citations, and you blank it without a valid reason or consensus, that could be seen as WP:DISRUPT and we have already had an administrator take notice of this on MILHIST and state that this behavior will probably lead to articles being protected (and no one wants that).  Also, the argument that Eicke wasn't important and that this material shouldn't be included doesn't really seem to be valid for the reasons raised so far by at least three editors.  By the way (and I'm not saying you did this), an editor stating in advance that they will keep certain information out of an article, at all costs no matter what citations or evidence is given, is a pretty serious breach of WP:OWN.  The good news is I will not have access to my notes on Eicke's record for several weeks and probably won't have the motivation to revisit this article until several weeks after that.  By then, I think this matter will have cooled down considerably.  Based on the tone of some of the comments, I think people are still running hot about this. -O.R.Comms 21:53, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Re: editor stating in advance that they will keep certain information out of an article, at all costs no matter what citations or evidence is given, where have I given an indication that I would do this "at all costs"? This is pretty close to casting aspersions ("I'm not saying you did this, but ...  it is a pretty serious breach...")  Suggest this be stricken. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:01, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Name of birthplace: Hampont
Seen from a german nationalist, or nazi point of view, Hampont sounds somewhat undeutsch, in other words not acceptable; that's clear. Therefore the name was changed in WW-1, to Hudingen. Notwithstanding, when Eicke was born there it was named Hampont, and that stayed so for some years to come. It's kind of Geschichtsklitterung (history engineering), to project the spelling in 1915/18 back to 1892. --129.187.244.19 (talk) 09:53, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Nobody is trying to promote German nationalist sentiments by offering the historical name of the place—even the temporary one—but because it shows up in so many sources written on the subject, it would confuse people new to this information if it were missing. Placing both names together makes the most sense. Stop with the attempt at aspersions on people editing around here. (Niemand schrieb absichtlich eine revisionistische Geschichte, oder eine angebliche "Geschichtsklitterung" dabei.)--Obenritter (talk) 03:50, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Obenritter is correct that we have to go with what the majority of the main-stream WP:RS cited books or works state; our own opinion does not matter, that is WP:OR. Lastly, stop with the obtuse aspersions. If you have RS cited sources to present for consideration, please do so. Kierzek (talk) 14:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * o.k., then let decide the Nazis himself how to write (or spell) things like their "birthplaces"...(most sources most likely could be pro-nazi sources, but I noticed - you have no problem with that, pg. Kierzek and Obenritter Deutscher Schaeferhundt ! --129.187.244.19 (talk) 12:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually it's Schäferhund and the sources we've used are respectable neutral ones. Unfounded ad hominem attacks prove that you are not here to help construct an Encyclopedia. --Obenritter (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Château-Salins ...
was, in fact, not named Salzburgen before 1941. It's heavily misleading to project Salzburgen in German Empire times. --129.187.244.19 (talk) 10:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

additional biography
Sorry, my first wikipedia contribution. Could anyone please add the German biography: Weise, Niels (2013). Eicke. Eine SS-Karriere zwischen Nervenklinik, KZ-System und Waffen-SS. Paderborn: Ferdinand Schöningh ISBN 978-3-506-77705-8. (456 pages) Thanks a lot! Cetarius (talk) 15:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Added to the Further Reading section. You need to create an account if you intend to actually edit Wikipedia in the future. Be well. --Obenritter (talk) 18:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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User:Jksusi

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Kabanjahe

Kabanjahe is a town approximately 90 minutes from Medan, North Sumatra, Indonesia. Kabanjahe is to the south of Berastagi. Kabanjahe is the largest centre in Karo Regency. It has an area of 44.65 km2 and had a population of 73,581 at the 2020 Census. Frequent buses connect the town with Berastagi, and a journey takes about 15 minutes.

Most of the local people are Karo who speak the Batak Karo language. A favorite food among locals is roast pork or Babi Panggang Karo.

Kabanjahe is the seat of the government of Karo Regency. It is an education center for kindergarten through high school because most of the Karonese go to universities in outside locations, such as Medan and Jakarta. Kabanjahe is also the trade centre of Karo Regency.

Climate
Kabanjahe has an elevation cooled tropical rainforest climate (Af) with moderate rainfall in June and July and heavy rainfall in the remaining months.

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