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Talk:Anglesey

Name of article
Ynys Môn is now being used more and more in English (for example the parliamentary constituency) - should we relocate the article there as the name used by the majority of the local population, in line with many other place names? Timrollpickering 01:22, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Whilst the constituency and the preferred use by the council is Ynys Môn, Anglesey is still commonly used for the geographical island and by most non Welsh speakers on the island and by almost all other residents of the UK. As there is a Welsh wikepedia it would seem appropriate for the article on the Welsh wikipedia to be Ynys Môn and for it to be Anglesey here. Velela 07:59, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm a local and refer to the place as Anglesey, and to be honest from my experience you'd get strange looks if you used the Welsh name in English conversation and vice versa. I also don't like the "Ynys" bit because I'm from Holy Island, so we're not on the ynys proper. "Sir Fôn" or just "Môn" is better :) Dafyddyoung 16:00, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * That is very intersting because Sir Fôn is the only County in Wales whose boundary is easily related to its geography - i.e by its seaboard. But Wikipedia has dealt differently with Council areas as opposed to geographic areas. There are, for example separate articles for Solihull (borough) and for Solihull. The first dealing with the council and the second the place. Is there perhaps an argument for an article about the Island of Anglesey as a geographic entity (perhaps the article we have already- and there could also be another about Holy Island - there is already one for Ynys Llanddwyn) and, in addition, an article about the political entiity perhaps entitled Sir Fôn/Anglesey County Council ?
 * Mrs Trellis 22:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd say most counties in Wales have boundaries easily related to geography - i.e. Monmouthshire is between the rivers Wye, Severn, Rhymney and the Black Mountain. Quite an easy to define geographical area. In any case if there were to be an article on Anglesey County Council it would be called just that in the English-language Wikipedia. Owain 18:08, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Aye, so long as there's an English name for these places they should be referred to in English in the English-language Wikipedia. I've never seen the Ynys Llanddwyn entry before, should it not be under Llanddwyn Island? Another discussin for another talk page, I suppose. And back to the original point, when Ynys Môn is used more frequently in English it's hardly ever pronounced properly anyway. "Innis Moan" is what you're likely to hear on the Beeb... And there already is an article for Holy IslandDafyddyoung 11:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think I agree with the OP, as 70% of the population of the Island is mostly Welsh speaking, shouldn't the artical be titled Ynys Môn? Three reasons for listing the artical as Ynys Môn

 * The oldest native name of the island
 * The majority of the island's inhabitants are Welsh speaking, thus the native name should have priority here.
 * Both the Ynys Môn (UK Parliament constituency) and Ynys Môn (Assembly constituency) constituencies are listed as as Ynys Môn
 * As a name, Ynys Môn is passing into English as regularly as Meirionnydd is for former Merionethshire, and as Ceredigion is for former Cardiganshire.

Per Wiki policy of Be Bold, changing for the above reasons.12.160.89.130 ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 11:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Regardless of the argument about whether the English or Welsh names should be used, the official name in English was changed in 1996 to Isle of Anglesey. The article should therefore be moved to that heading (at present Anglesey is a redirect from Isle of Anglesey). Skinsmoke (talk) 17:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

 * No objections in over 6 weeks. Page now moved.  Skinsmoke (talk) 13:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Recently???
"Channel 4's popular 'Time Team' programme recently visited the island". Relative terms like "recently" should not appear in articles where there is no context to evaluate them in. Somebody may read this article in 10 or 100 years time... Please can someone find out more about the event mentioned and replace "recently" with a specific date.

Convent...
"Cadair Mynachdy (or Monachdy, i.e.. "chair of the monastery"; there is a Nanner, "convent," not far away)" I'm not entirely sure, but the Welsh for a convent is "cwfaint", isn't it? Dafyddyoung 11:26, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Etymology (inc. Removal of `Isle of Angles' explanation)
I have removed ` ' from the article because it looked like it referred to Môn (which, incidentally, appears in Roman (Latin) texts published long before the Angles so clearly has nothing to do with the Angles--as an aside, in Latin it also refers to the Isle of Wight--maybe something to mention).

I was going to clarify that the parenthesis removed referred to Anglesea. However, I also couldn't find anything on the WWW saying (except based on WP) saying that Anglesea or Anglesley means island of the Angles. How would sea become island?

The introductory sentence is too cluttered already anyway. If someone knows the story behind the etymology of Anglesey or whether the claim above is true, they should probably make an Etymology section in the article for reasonably verifiable etymological info.
 * Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk

contrib 13:44, 2005 May 7 (UTC) The ey or y suffix is widely used to signify island as in Bardsey,, Lundy, Ramsey, Caldey and possibly even Barry and Sully. It is probably the same derivation as Brownsea in Poole Harbour, Mersea in Essex, Isle of Wallney in Cumbria, Great Cumbrae Island and posibly even Wallasey on the Wirral. It may also be linked to the word eyot for an isaland in the River Thames. I don't know the eytmological derivation but there is little doubt that the English name for the Island - Anglesey does derive from Island of the Angles and its derivation probably greatly post dated the roman occupation. The derivation might be from the Old English Ieg meaning island.
 * Velela 15:44, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * It was Môn that I was claiming derived from Latin.Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 14:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Please note the whole article on Anglesey needs rewriting as it is full of inaccuracies or is just plain inadequate. The 'connection' between druids and cromlechs was an early eighteenth century fantasy. The description of druids is wholly inadequate. The derivation of the name 'Anglesey' is now generally believed to be from a Norse personal name Ongull + s + ey (island). The historical section is generally lacking in perspective and detail. Please rewite! I would have a crack at it myself if I had time.

 * If that etymology is true then I'm going to reword the bit about the English being 'corrupted' from the ON. 'Corrupted' is always a bad word to use anyway, and this case the English might preserve older vowels. If the ON was originally *Angull, the [u] regularly mutates any preceding [a] to [ɔ] (ON spelling ǫ, which has become ö in modern Icelandic). Anon, 2 August 2006.

Anglesey may derive from Island of the Angles, from Angle combined with sey or say (Old Norse for island e.g. Rothesay, Shapinsay).

Thormod. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThormodRaudhi (talk • contribs) 17:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

RAF Valley
Should some mention not be given to RAF Valley in this article?

MEM Factory
Should some mention not be given to the Eaton MEM factory in this article? I understand they are the 3rd largest employer on the isle, after the council and the aluminium factory>

That would make them the fourth biggest employer and I have never heard of them in any case. 145.253.108.22 16:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You have not mentioned Wylfa they out employ MEM easily for now....

Removal of Draoi-Heil
This article contains a link to the article on Draoi-Heil. The linked article lacks factuality and credible links. Instead it misrepresents romanticist beliefs as a factual account of Druid practices. I am thus proposing that the link be removed and the History section modified to accommodate this. I won;t touch it right now, so that any wishing to do so may check out the article. I'll check back in a couple days from now to see if anyone has any objections. --Sidhebolg 05:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Caesar's Mona
In his Commentaries on the Conquest of Gaul, Julius Caesar mentions the island of Mona. The translator of the Penguin Classics edition I have writes that nobody is quite sure whether Caesar is referring to Anglesey or the Isle of Man. Does anybody know whether there's been any further research on this? -- Charlene 05:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Could you provide a pronunciation for the English name "Anglesey" as well? There has been a question on the German wikipedia as to how to pronounce that word (de:Wikipedia:Auskunft. Thanks in advance. --62.214.240.23 21:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Answer on de.wikipeda: ˈæŋglsɪ according to Gimson/Jones. --62.214.235.79 07:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Someone has, but they shouldn't have. . It's really something to check Wiktionary for. — Llywelyn II   10:27, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Climate
Since when has Anglesey had a humid climate? That sounds a bit rude, sorry! What I meant to ask is "where did you get that information from?" lol. Cls14 12:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Red Squirrels
I just removed the following from the introduction, which had recently been added by an IP address:
 * Anglesey ids the best place in the UK for protection against the red squirel and now have hardly any gray left.

Protection against the red squirel [sic]? If, indeed, Anglesey is the pre-eminent stronghold of the Red in the UK, then it could be mentioned, but not in the form above, which is inaccurate and poorly spelt. Carre 11:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Holyhead High School
Is there anyone using this page who might be able to start at least a short article on this school. As it was the first comprehensive school in Great Britain, it is certainly very worthy of note, but nothing exists as yet. Tafkam (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

School league table
I removed the 'league table' of school results because Estyn doesn't inspect schools annually, so the exam results cited won't necessarily be directly comparable. People may be aware that since 2001, the Assembly Government hasn't published individual school performance information. Information on individual schools is still available in prospectuses and governors’ annual reports, but adding them all together to produce a local league table may violate WP:SYNTH. Pondle (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Schools
I've added Ysgol Penysarn to the list of schools, but the list is still incomplete and frankly rather dreary. What's the point in listing all the schools, when it's sufficient to simply say "there are 52 primary schools on the island"? Obscurasky (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I totally agree. Wikipedia is not about lists of things. Reduce it as you suggest.  Velela  Velela Talk 19:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

 * ✅ Obscurasky (talk) 08:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Title monstrosity
I recently moved the title of the article from 'Isle of Anglesey' back to its original title, 'Anglesey'. This complies with various sections of WP:NAME (particularly WP:COMMONNAME). It was moved back by SilkTork, who claimed that 'Isle of Anglsey' is the 'correct' name. @Silktork, I'm presuming you think it is 'correct' because you think the name is 'official'. Lemme point out a couple of things. 'Isle of Angelsey' is not an alternate name for Anglesey; it is Angelsey with a description (c/f "isle of Great Britain", "Republic of France", etc). Beside this, it really doesn't matter what the 'official' name of the island is, anyway ... as far as we are concerned on Wikipedia. And the construction "Isle of Anglesey" is an etymological monstrosity, -ey already meaning 'island'; this matters as not everyone is as lacking in place-name education as the bureaucrats employing this. Move back? Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 20:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that Anglesey is the simpler and better title. Srnec (talk) 01:31, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:WALES and WP:UKGEO notified of this discussion. It would probably be a good idea to list this as a requested move for extra visibility. BencherliteTalk 08:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I would also support a page move to Anglesey, for the above reasons. Just as a btw: The Welsh Academy Encyclopaedia lists the island as Anglesey. Daicaregos (talk) 08:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

 * (e/c)This arises because we have one article that covers both the geographical island, and the local authority. It would be possible to separate them out into distinct articles. If we don't do that, there is the problem that the local authority uses the term "Isle of Anglesey" as the English name of the authority. But, I don't think that local government terminology should override other considerations. It makes much more sense to me to use the name "Anglesey" for this article, as that is how the place is generally known, but I think we should consider whether there should be a separate article on the local authority. If there is, I'd favour the name Ynys Môn (local authority) anyway. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's one of those odd situations where the title of the council ("Isle of Anglesey CC") is misleading, because the council's area includes areas other than the geographical island of Anglesey, e.g. Holy Island for Holyhead. Incidentally, Isle of Anglesey County Council already exists. BencherliteTalk 08:14, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops! - I hadn't noticed that, sorry. In that case, obviously use "Anglesey" for this article.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:17, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Since everyone seems agreed for now, I've moved it back to Anglesey and suggest that anyone wishing to use a different title make a formal move request.--Kotniski (talk) 08:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not for nothing, Deke, since I completely agree that the article should be at Anglesey, but – given the hyperbolic tone – it's worth pointing out that you are completely wrong as far as the name of the county. "Isle of Anglesey" most certainly is the actual and official name and nothing like a simple matter of style. If subsequent legislation renamed it or the Ynys-Monites habitually omit the proper name from their official documents, it might be worth footnoting, but we should address the actual name of the county in the lede, regardless of its monstrosity for the six of us who know Old Norse place-name enclitics. —  Llywelyn II   14:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Hmm. I've just looked at the ref quoted above (Local Government (Wales) Act 1994 Schedule I) and that seems to me to be saying that "Anglesey" / "Sir Fôn" is the name of a county and "Ynys Môn" / "Isle of Anglesey" is the name of a district. It doesn't say anywhere that "Isle of Anglesey County" is the name of anything. --  Dr Greg   talk  00:08, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

 * This piece of legislation provided names for the new counties, but left the door open for those counties to change their official names: so Caernarfonshire and Merionethshire became Gwynedd, Cardiganshire became Ceredigion, Aberconwy and Colwyn became Conwy, etc. I don't know if Anglesey became Isle of Anglesey using the same provision, and this is not noted in the legislation. "Isle of Anglesey" as a "district" refers to the 1972-1994 area, not to the name after 1994, so this doesn't prove the point that LlywelynII is trying to make here. Gareth (talk) 07:24, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Etymology section
Cleaned up with corrections. I've moved these two pieces here, since they didn't come with any explanation, translation, or source.
 * [original Brythonic name:] enisis mona.
 * [additional poetic name:] Clas Merddin.

If you can clarify and source either, feel free to reinsert them. — Llywelyn II   14:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Sources for article expansion
Some of the cites in the new etym section – the 1911 EB, the 1800s LE, &c – are quite out of date but may be worth combing through to pick up items for daughter articles or historical expansion concerning the island. — Llywelyn II   16:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Name of article revisited
I believe the article name should be changed to 'Ynys Mon'. User:Drachenfyre put it well in 2008 with this: 'The oldest native name of the island The majority of the island's inhabitants are Welsh speaking, thus the native name should have priority here. Both the Ynys Môn (UK Parliament constituency) and Ynys Môn (National Assembly for Wales constituency) constituencies are listed as as Ynys Môn As a name, Ynys Môn is passing into English as regularly as Meirionnydd is for former Merionethshire, and as Ceredigion is for former Cardigan'

This argument did not seem to be addressed. I would like to seek the views of others about this proposed change. LordFixit (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I live on the island and can assure you that Ynys Môn isn't widely current in English locally (the English usually can't pronounce it anyway), and even in Welsh it conveys a suggestion of a formal register of speech. Môn, Ynys Môn, or Sir Fôn are all used in Welsh, and so at times is Anglesey. In English it's Anglesey practically every time. Richard Keatinge (talk) 22:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Richard. The majority of people speak Welsh in Ynys Mon, though. LordFixit (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ynys Môn is a minority usage even in Welsh, though its hint of formality may make it suitable for an encyclopedia. It's an interesting question though: given the existence of a widely-used English name, should the native name take priority for an English-language article? Richard Keatinge (talk) 23:16, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * According to WP:COMMONNAME, we should use the name that appears most frequently in English-language reliable sources. For example we have an article called "Germany" even though most of the people who live there call it "Deutschland". --  Dr Greg   talk  00:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ynys Môn is fine for the Welsh Wiki article. Here, no, it's not English and shouldn't be treated as such. The people using it in English are doing so as a nod to its Welsh inhabitants and simply using the Welsh name. See also China, not Zhongguo, Middle Kingdom, or 中国. — Llywelyn II   10:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes per WP:USENGLISH we use the English name, not native name if one exists.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:54, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Born on Anglesey
In a recent edit, the name of Aled Jones was removed from the list of people born on Anglesey. As it happens, Aled is already well represented in the article and probably doesn't need to be on such a list. This does however point up a significant issue with what constitutes "born on Anglesey". For many years there was and is almost no maternity provision on Anglesey and most babies born to Anglesey parents were born at St David's Hospital in Bangor on the mainland and now at Ysbyty Gwynedd, also in Bangor. This arises simply because of an organisational decision by the local Health Board. I would suggest that under theses circumstances it is appropriate to assert that children born of parents living on Anglesey at the time of their birth are deemed to be " born on Anglesey". If we do not adopt a pragmatic solution, it will appear in future that for many years nobody of any note was ever born on the Island whereas very many notable people will have been born in Bangor. I would welcome views.  Velella  Velella Talk 23:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * People who weren't born on the island weren't born on the island. Seems pretty straightforward. — Llywelyn II   10:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Demonym
Is there a widely or officially used demonym to describe people from Anglesey - in the same way as, say, "Lancastrian" describes people from Lancashire? I can't remember seeing one, though I'm sure others know better. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Strange sentence
"The foundations of Caer Gybi as well as a fort at Holyhead are Roman, and the present road from Holyhead to Llanfairpwllgwyngyll may originally have been a Roman road.[citation needed]"

As far as I can tell Caer Gybi is a fort at Holyhead/Caergybi. so what's the second fort reference about? Perhaps someone can find a citation for the whole of this Roman paragraph. Sussexonian (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Island pedantry
The lead claims that Anglesey is the second most populous island in the British Isles, after Man. Surely it is the fourth most populous after Great Britain, Ireland and Man? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Better now? Bmcln1 (talk) 15:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Main topic: County or Island
Is this article mainly for the modern county or the island? There is significant overlap between the two, meaning they're best as the same article. But in this edit @A.D.Hope changed the article lead to give primacy on the county. Not necessarily a bad edit, and in good faith but quite bold considering the article has been about the island since it was made in 2001. If this article is about the county, should it be renamed as Isle of Anglesey as that is the official county name? or the two be split? (but there would be a lot of overlap, so do not clearly support that).  Dank Jae  22:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

 * You do have a point, and I've made an edit to the lead to try and balance the emphasis a little. The issue I've found is that the county 'naturally' takes precedence because it's both the larger area and because the differences between Holy Island and Anglesey are so slight that they can easily be referred to as a single unit. For example, the lead uses the county alone for demographic stats (e.g. density, Welsh speakers) and in the bulk of the lead paragraph, but refers to the island individually in the geography paragraph and in the lead paragraph when explaining the composition of the county. I think this makes sense, as the island is given prominence where it's distinct from the county but treated as part of the larger area where the differences are minimal.
 * Personally I don't think there needs to be a split; as you say, the amount of overlap would be high, and I think we can successfully cover both the island and the county by using precise language. I can't say I have a strong opinion on the name, as both options have pros and cons. A.D.Hope (talk) 11:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

 * I'd weakly support splitting, Holy Island is of a reasonable size compared to Anglesey and while it can be argued its connected to Anglesey by a bridge so is Anglesey to the mainland. Probably use Anglesey (county) to also cover the older county not just the principal area.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 02:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Myth
Myth has it that King Mynydd didn't believe in the stories about dragons in Wales. To prove to him wrong a Dragon melted the rock between Anglesey and North Wales this separated them ever since. 92.10.20.171 (talk) 12:24, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

 * @92.10.20.171 is this myth backed up by any scientific research to do with the dating of the seperation of Anglesey from mainland Wales, also are there any sources you can provide, books, websites etc? Cltjames (talk) 19:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposed infobox collage
Following the discussion resulting in WP:WLSCOUNTYCOLLAGE inline with UKGEO, and the expectation that multiple images would eventually be added to the infobox in a possible dispute. To get the ball rolling, I propose the following to be added in the infobox using multiple image.

Order: Use existing image first, to ensure continuity over Page Preview. The current image seems fine to remain. Open to replacement.

General: To expand the coverage of the images, I added an image of Beaumaris Castle, a notable man-made structure, and a nice looking image from the west. (Tŵr Mawr Lighthouse) Would be also fine with any recommendation of a inland image to replace the lighthouse.

Be free to suggest better quality images of the same landmarks, and would happly apply. Be free to also suggest using different criteria and landmarks and would happily discuss what is best to represent the county (the main topic of this article seems to be the county).

''If no opposition is raised, I would boldly insert it on 10 December. Opted for a discussion, considering previous attempts (on others) led to a dispute.'' Pinging those I feel are connected to the discussion specifically on Anglesey, however you do not need to respond.  Dank Jae  21:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

 * @DankJae maybe more of a contrast with one of the coast or a scene from nature, then one medieval, Beaumaris gateway picture is good, and then one of a town, maybe the Newborough image? Cltjames (talk) 22:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cltjames, Any ideas for the nature? All I know is the island is known for red squirrels. Agree a town image would be nice, couldn't decide which though and so far can't find one that stands out, and ofc prefer the best image I could find, I'll see if there is a good image of Newborough (or nearby) and replace the lighthouse with it. Are you open to removing the existing image (top one)? Just kept it cause I'm used to it.
 * Be free to suggest any individual images, in the end, there are so many I could've missed.  Dank Jae  22:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The image of Ynys Llanddwyn is beautiful, but I'm concerned it's indistinct at that size and repeats the coastal theme. What about Admiralty Arch in Holyhead? I'll be the first to say it needs saving from its current fate as a somewhat sad car park ornament, but it is at least a distinctive building in the county's largest town. I did look at Llangefni, but it doesn't have much by way of monuments except its clock tower. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @A.D.Hope, yeah looked at Holyhead, and struggled. The arch is notable but in a sad state, so not sure. Yeah purely included Ynys Llanddwyn cause it was the best images I can find at all, but agree it duplicates the coast. Llangefni doesn't have anything distinctive (so far) so also struggled for it. Like @Cltjames, suggested just a general image of a town, although cannot find anything of Newborough yet (that isn't just a grey street). Nonetheless, happy to discuss further or any ideas.  Dank Jae  23:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Did also consider Plas Newydd (such as this image).  Dank Jae  23:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @DankJae I think that's a good image and important to Anglesey. What about the Aberffraw drone image, that's pretty special... And as for Newborough, I thought there was a good background view including a normal Anglesey housing terrace and Snowdonia, only, the white van spoils the pic a bit. Cltjames (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Plas Newydd-Anglesey-National Trust 01.jpg Cltjames (talk) 20:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at Wikimedia commons, some of the ariel drone shots by Llywelyn2000 of the Marquess of Anglesey column seem good...
 * Cltjames (talk) 20:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

So like this? I find Plas Newydd to suit it better, because for some reason the column becomes blurry. ; do you still want to keep the first image?  Dank Jae  22:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

 * @DankJae the coast image is just right. to reiterate, there should be a contrast between nature, old (Beaumaris) and new. Cltjames (talk) 23:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Either Beaumaris or Plas Newydd, not both Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer Beaumaris if having to choose, @Murgatroyd49, got an idea for a third? Ideally inland?  Dank Jae  10:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I also prefer Beaumaris. In the infobox collages I've proposed I've generally avoided country houses, as they don't generally say much about the wider county beyond 'an earl built a nice house here in 1753.'
 * Personally I still quite like Admiralty Arch, even in its current state. Anglesey doesn't have much by way of modern landmarks – the only one which jumps to mind is the Celtic Gateway bridge, but I'm not sure images of it work at collage size. A.D.Hope (talk) 10:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * When most people think of Anglesey, they think of druids or LlanfairPG! There is always File:James Pringle Weavers of Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, Holy Island (507294) (32769177880).jpg Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Murgatroyd49, true with Llanfair PG did consider it (and very aware of it), and tbh that image is good. Wouldn't mind that. Plus I guess Anglesey's most iconic site arguably.
 * Not sure how druids can be represented on the other hand. Celtic Gateway seems a bit too modern and recent, while the Admiralty Arch's state puts it down (unfortunately). I understand opposition to Plas Newydd (didn't initially include it), Anglesey isn't known for its country houses as much.  Dank Jae  11:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Does Llanfair PG represent the county well? Is 'one of the villages here has a long name' the first impression we want to give of Anglesey?
 * Celtic Gateway was built in 2006, so it's not particularly new, and it's also one of the few distinctive modern structures on the island. It's a more aesthetically pleasing representation of the island's modern economy than the actual port of Holyhead, at any rate. A.D.Hope (talk) 12:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 2006 compared to a structure from almost 800 years ago is relatively new, it doesn't have to be built yesterday. Llanfair PG may be the only impression of Anglesey for some, as having the longest place-name in Europe is probably more notable than the Gateway, which isn't for trade but local pedestrians, not a first or recurring form of architecture? and unfortunately just connects one part of Holyhead to another part of Holyhead (so makes more sense at Holyhead). So cannot see how it represents Anglesey's economy? sorry. The Stanley Embankment is probably the more important intra-Anglesey link, while other bridges lead out of the county. Still open to other ideas (but nothing seems obvious), but Llanfair PG at least has the (long-standing) fame the others do not.
 * @Cltjames got any opinions on the new ones suggested?  Dank Jae  12:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My rule of thumb (which I appreciate isn't a guideline) is to include a modern landmark where possible, as I find it helps prevent a collage from becoming overly twee. Some counties don't have any significant modern landmarks, but the Celtic Gateway fits the bill for Anglesey – I think I'm correct in saying it was part of a plan to regenerate the town, and includes public artworks as well as creating a shorter route between the centre and the train station and ferry terminal.
 * Or we could just stick Bryn Celli Ddu in and call it a day. A.D.Hope (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we should resort to the earlier option of a town/village. Many English counties do not fit that rule. I just find the Gateway not really meaning anything.  Dank Jae  21:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What about Parys Mountain? such as this image, to highlight Anglesey's industrial heritage?  Dank Jae  22:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a good option which shows an overlooked but significant aspect of Anglesey, I'd definitely support it. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Having said that, overall I think the coast/Beaumaris/Holyhead (arch or bridge) combination is best. Holyhead might not be the most photogenic town, but it's the island's major settlement so I'm prepared to compromise a little on image quality to represent it. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @DankJae I think a good point about Llanfairpwll is that it is world famous, even if it isn't a great pic, it has significance. I would stick to contrasting images, old, new etc. I think something medieval would he better than Bronze age, e.g. Bryn Celli. And feel Beaumaris best represents the island's history. So, the coast, castle and contemporary image i.e. Llanfairpwll. Cltjames (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cltjames, are you supporting Llanfairpwll or Bryn Celli? You mentioned both?  Dank Jae  22:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @DankJae Llanfairpwll and not Parys sorry. Cltjames (talk) 22:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Murgatroyd49, you still prefer Llanfairpwll? Or ok to consider Parys, Gateway or Bryn Celli?  Dank Jae  22:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What is the purpose of the collage, If it is to give a flavour of the area covered by the article then LLanfairpwll is definitely appropriate. It is unique to the island and gently introduces the idea that the Welsh language is important there. Bryn Celli is of interest but not particularly unusual in Britain. Parys I am equivocal about, in image terms it conflicts with the coastal view. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The guidelines are linked at the top, but the relevant bit is:
 * A.D.Hope (talk) 09:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It was a rhetorical question… Llanfairpwll fulfills the cutural bit, Beaumaris the historical and a coastal view the natural landmark. We are left with the major settlement which ought to be Holyhead. Interesting that no-one has suggested one of the iconic Menai strait bridges yet. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think Llanfair PG is a good representation of Welsh culture on the island, given the name is essentially a Victorian gimmick. Something like Oriel Ynys Môn would be much better, but unfortunately it's housed in a very plain building.
 * The Menai bridges are half in Gwynedd, and photos of them tend to be from the Anglsey side so that the mountains across the strait are in shot. I have looked, but would rather consider other options. A.D.Hope (talk) 09:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry too much about it being a Victorian gimmick, it worked! Most of so called Scots culture is also a Victorian gimmick but I don't see them abandoning clan tartans and kilts anytime soon, too lucrative. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The Llanfair sign would be fine as a body image, but as a collage image it's a bit reductive. On a practical note I also think the sign will be tricky to read at the size it will be displayed. A.D.Hope (talk) 10:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * To illustrate:
 * To illustrate:

Point taken. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

 * I'm fine with Llanfair PG, because all the other cultural proposals so far mean much less or have also been opposed. Everyone has different interpretations of culture (some counties have horses as an image for some reason). I just find the gateway as being so insignificant (as of now), it seems very odd to have it. While Holyhead seems the obvious choice, settlements from Amlwch to Llangefni can also be used, while Llanfair is the 6th biggest, so possibly a "major" one? Intentionally did not suggest the Menai Strait Bridges because half of them are in Gwynedd, with many of the best images I found are pointing to Eryri/Snowdonia rather than Anglesey. Ofc, those images could be added to Menai Strait's infobox if needed. Or possibly at Gwynedd if the balance is right there.  Dank Jae  13:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think @Murgatroyd49 agrees with me that the Llanfair PG image won't work at infobox size, regardless of its cultural merits. I'm not set on the Celtic Gateway, but I'm also struggling to find anything else which fits the theme of 'modern Anglesey'. It may be that there's nothing suitable, it wouldn't be the first time (e.g. Herefordshire).
 * If I remember correctly Devon ended up with horses because I wanted to include Dartmoor and thought it would be more interesting to include the ponies; over the border in Cornwall it just happened that there was a good image of Bodmin moor which included its ponies, so South-West England has ended up a bit equine. A.D.Hope (talk) 13:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Like if we need to (although we don't have to) represent Holyhead, may be its Harbour Office, Fish Dock, from above, from Breakwater, of Breakwater or Near South Stack? But if none of those fit (yes some aren't "modern"), then I guess not Holyhead. Can't think of anything else. Although I like this being put on top and other two moved down, just for aesthetics.  Dank  Jae  14:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you finding the other images, but I'm going to stick with proposal 2 as my preference. We all like the coast image, the Beaumaris one is decent, and the arch tones in with the castle, is in Holyhead, and is very legible even at small size. Yeah it's a bit untidy, but at infobox size most people won't even notice.
 * Oh, and I do like that last image. Maybe a tad grey for the infobox, but in the body or at Rhosneigr? Go for it. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If I have to choose the Arch or Gateway I guess the arch, but ofc prefer others, but what do @Cltjames and @Murgatroyd49 think, to finally settle this? Apologies this has been too long.  Dank Jae  23:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, I'm going with old or new, the arch is new compared to the gateway. Beaumaris Castle holds it's historical value and would have a better standing against a newer attraction such as the arch. Cltjames (talk) 07:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, Cltjames, the arch is the structure in proposal 2, and the gateway is the structure in proposal 5. You favour proposal 2? A.D.Hope (talk) 10:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @A.D.Hope proposal 5 is good. Cltjames (talk) 16:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the arch is visually confusing with Beaumaris in a collage so, of the two, probably the gateway. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Gateway it is.  Dank Jae  16:21, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Apparently so. I won't lie, it's not my favourite, but it'll do the job. A.D.Hope (talk) 16:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless someone else adds it, I'll wait till the 10th so a full week passes, incase any one else joins, which they are encouraged too.  Dank Jae  16:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, good idea A.D.Hope (talk) 18:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Added, no further comments raised  Dank Jae  19:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

What does this mean?
"The geography of the Isle of Anglesey is a contrast between the relatively flat interior of the two main islands and their varied coastlines, large parts of which are an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty." - starting para 3 of article lede section. Geopersona (talk) 08:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

 * @A.D.Hope  Dank Jae  15:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Anglesey and Holy Island have flat middles but varied coastlines, basically. A.D.Hope (talk) 15:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've now reworded the passage, as it was a bit clunky. A.D.Hope (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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Naval Weapons Station Yorktown

Naval Weapons Station Yorktown is a United States Navy base in York County, James City County, and Newport News in the Hampton Roads region of Virginia. It provided a weapons and ammunition storage and loading facility for ships of the United States Atlantic Fleet, and more recently, for those from the Fleet Forces Command.

Location
The Naval Weapons Station (NWS) Complex (including Cheatham Annex) is 20.7 square miles (54 km2) in area, roughly 1/5 of the total land area of York County, in which most of it lies; a small portion is within James City County.

The station is bounded on the northwest by the Naval Supply Center Cheatham Annex, the Virginia Emergency Fuel Farm, and land owned by the Department of the Interior; on the northeast by almost 14 mi of the York River and the Colonial National Historical Park; on the southwest by Route 143 and I-64; and on the southeast by Route 238 and the community of Lackey.

The station borders the cities of Newport News and Williamsburg. It shares almost 14 mi of the York River shoreline (about half of York County's York River shoreline and wetlands) with the National Park Service.

The large Camp Peary, which also has much York River frontage on the northern side of the Virginia Peninsula, is adjacent to the Naval Station.

History
The site of NWS Yorktown is rich in colonial era (1607–1776) history, as well as that of the American Civil War (1861–1865). The station is located on the York River, in an area that was an early settlement of English colonists in Virginia. They displaced the Algonquian-speaking Kiskiack and other American Indian tribes of the Powhatan Confederacy, who historically inhabited the area.

The oldest structure at the Yorktown Naval Weapons Station is the brick "Kiskiack (Lee House)", built as a private residence in the late 17th century by English immigrant Henry Lee or his near descendants. At that time, the owner of the farm likely cultivated tobacco for export. It is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and the Virginia Landmarks Register. Descendants of the Lee family owned the property until its acquisition in 1918 by the federal government for the Navy Mine Depot.

The colonial infantry of the American Revolutionary War and forces of the Civil War slogged along the Old Williamsburg Road that today runs through the station.

Around 1914, the DuPont Company acquired a 4000 acre site on the banks of the York River and built a dynamite plant, which came to be known as Penniman. Before DuPont production started, the Navy acquired the site in August 1918 by presidential proclamation in response to the outbreak of World War I in Europe. This eventually developed as the largest naval installation in the world.

The Navy acquired the property to establish the Navy Mine Depot, Yorktown at this site. The Navy planned to lay the North Sea Mine Barrage to protect commercial shipping and required an Atlantic Seaboard plant to support the effort. Here the mines would be stored, assembled, loaded, tested and issued to the Service. A related station was required for the training of personnel to adjust and operate the mines. The Navy selected the DuPont site, about 18 sqmi of area near Yorktown, Virginia, as the best location on the East Coast for its mine activities. The Bureau of Ordnance of the Navy Department assumed possession one month later.

Yorktown was near the Navy Operating Base at Hampton Roads, the Norfolk Navy Yard, and the Fuel Bases of the Fifth Naval District. It had excellent transportation access, with the main lines of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railway forming one of the boundaries of the Depot, and five miles (8 km) of waterfront on the navigable York River. Ocean-going vessels of largest dimension and deepest draft could navigate there.

To make way for the new Mine Depot, the government acquired by eminent domain the property of many landowners along the former Yorktown-Williamsburg Road in nearby Lackey, Virginia. Both landowners and tenants in this area were primarily African American. (Since the late 19th century, this area had been locally known as "the Reservation".) Assisted by self-educated farmer John Tack Roberts (born ca. 1860), many of the displaced residents of Lackey negotiated better financial compensation for their properties. Many relocated to the community of Grove in nearby James City County. Another small community, also named Lackey, was later developed along the Yorktown Road a few miles away.

As many as 10,000 personnel worked at the Naval facility during World War I. Many workers lived in the town of Penniman. After World War I and the Navy's shift away from mines, this community also vanished as workers moved away. Halstead's Point, another community of workers on the station, also declined and disappeared. It was located near the present main gate off State Route 143.

Current use
Over the years, the growth and expansion of the Navy's technical requirements and responsibilities have been reflected by corresponding developments at the station to support the Atlantic Fleet and CFFC.

As part of the Navy’s Mid-Atlantic installation consolidation, Cheatham Annex, formerly an annex of the Fleet Industrial Supply Center, Norfolk, was incorporated with the station on October 1, 1998. This area of land, located in the Jamestown, Williamsburg, and Yorktown area known as the Historic Triangle of Colonial Virginia, was acquired by the Navy on June 21, 1943. Cheatham Annex includes the former site of the "lost town" of Penniman, Virginia.

Naval Weapons Station Yorktown hosts 25 tenant commands which include the Navy Munitions Command, the Naval Ophthalmic Support and Training Activity, the Marine Corps Second Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, NAVSUP Fleet Logistics Center Norfolk detachment, Navy Expeditionary Medical Support Command, Navy Expeditionary Logistics Support Group, Riverine Squadron THREE, Maritime Civil Affairs Squadron TWO, and 19 Storefronts.

The station and tenant commands work together to provide ordnance logistics, technical, supply and related services to Fleet Forces Command and its ships. Today the station is a hub of activity. As one of the Navy's "explosive corridors" to the sea, supply, amphibious and combatant ships may be seen arriving and departing the station's two piers.

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Faqīh

A faqīh (: fuqahā, فقيه; : فقهاء) is an Islamic jurist, an expert in fiqh, or Islamic jurisprudence and Islamic Law.

Definition

Islamic jurisprudence or fiqh is the human understanding of the Sharia (believed by Muslims to represent divine law as revealed in the Quran and the Sunnah ). Sharia expanded and developed by interpretation (ijtihad) of the Quran and Sunnah by Islamic jurists (Ulema) and implemented by the rulings (Fatwa) of jurists on questions presented to them.

Fiqh deals with the observance of rituals, morals and social legislation in Islam. In the modern era there are four prominent schools (madh'hab) of fiqh within Sunni practice and two (or three) within Shi'a practice.

The historian Ibn Khaldun describes fiqh as "knowledge of the rules of God which concern the actions of persons who own themselves bound to obey the law respecting what is required (wajib), sinful (haraam), recommended (mandūb), disapproved (makrūh) or neutral (mubah)". This definition is consistent amongst the jurists.

Methods of derivation
Methods of derivation are laid out in the books of uṣūl al-fiqh (principles of fiqh), and those evidences which are deemed valid for deriving rulings from are many in number. Four of them are agreed upon by the vast majority of jurists. They are:
 * The Qur'an
 * The Sunnah
 * Ijma' or Consensus
 * Qiyas or Analogy

These four types of evidence are seen as acceptable by the vast majority of Jurists from both the schools of Sunni Jurists (the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali and sometimes the Zahiriyah), as well as Shi'a Jurists. However, Zahiriyah or Literalists do not see Qiyas as valid.

While Twelver Shia see edicts of the Twelve Imams as holding the same weight as the Quran and Sunnah, this is unacceptable by Sunni Jurists.

Conditions for being a faqīh
The faqīh is one who has fulfilled the conditions for Ijtihad either in their entirety or in piecemeal. In the Sunni point of view it is generally held that there are either no (or very few) Jurists or Fuqaha that have reached the level of Mujtahid Mutlaq in our day and age. In the Twelver (Ithna Asheri) Shia view, each of their Marja' have reached this level.

The faqīh who fulfills all conditions of Ijtihad is sometimes referred to as a Mujtahid Mutlaq or Unrestricted Jurist-Scholar, while he who has not reached that level generally will master of the methodology (Usul) used by one or more of the prominent madhhab and then able to apply this methodology to arrive at the traditional legal rulings of his/her respective madhhab. According to the Sunni Muslim website Living Islam, "There is no mujtahid mutlaq today nor even a claimant to that title."

Below the level of Mujtahid Mutlaq is the Mujtahid Muqayyad or a Restricted Jurist-Scholar. A Mujtahid Muqayyad must pass rulings according to the confines of his particular madhhab (school of jurisprudence), or particular area of specialization. This is according to the view that Ijtihad or the ability of legal deduction can be achieved in specified areas, and does not require a holistic grasp of the Shariah and its entailing Laws and legal theory.

Iran
According to Article 5 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, in the present time of the Major Occultation, the head of state that must administer the region (Vilayet) is required to be an Islamic jurist (Faqih). He has to be god-fearing.

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Misty in Roots

Misty in Roots are a British roots reggae band formed in Southall, London, in the mid 1970s. Their first album was 1979's Live at the Counter Eurovision, a record full of Rastafarian songs. It was championed by BBC Radio 1 DJ John Peel, helping to bring roots reggae to a white audience. At this early stage, the band was a collective with five lead singers and various musicians, though by the time of the second album proper the band had slimmed down to just three members. Along with Steel Pulse, Aswad, Matumbi, Cimarons and Black Slate, Misty in Roots were one of the most popular British reggae bands of the late 1970s.

Following their debut, Misty in Roots released four studio albums through the 1980s. The band had two BBC Radio 1 "In Concert" appearances in 1983 and 1985. They were invited to play in Zimbabwe in 1982 in recognition of their support for the independence movement, and were the first reggae band to tour South Africa, Poland, and Russia. After a break from recording in the next decade the band returned with a new mini-album Roots Controller in 2002. and continue to play concerts.

In 1979 Clarence Baker, a member of the collective, was severely beaten and injured by the London Metropolitan Police's SPG unit during a protest in Southall against a National Front march. The punk band The Ruts, who were partners of and had their debut single released by the People Unite co-operative, honoured him in their song "Jah War" which was released as a single and on their album The Crack the same year.

In 1989 Misty in Roots played Treworgy Tree Fayre, a free festival in Cornwall.

Album Discography

 * Studio and live Albums :
 * Live at the Counter Eurovision 79 (1979) [recorded live in Belgium] - (People Unite)
 * Misty Over Sweden (1979) [Swedish release - recorded live in Sweden] - (Nacksving)
 * Wise and Foolish (1981) - (People Unite)
 * Earth (1983)  - (People Unite)
 * Musi-O-Tunya (1985) - (People Unite)
 * Forward (1989) - (Kaz Records)
 * The John Peel Sessions (1995) [New tracks plus new versions of previously-released material] - (Strange Fruit)
 * Roots Controller (2002) [6 new tracks plus previously-released material] - (Real World Records, Virgin)
 * Compilations :
 * Chronicles - The Best of' Misty In Roots (1994) - (Kaz Records)
 * Jah Sees Jah Knows (1997) [2CD version includes bonus CD of Live at the Counter Eurovision '79] - (Recall 2cd, owned by Snapper Music)

 * Singles & EPs :
 * Six One Penny (1978) - (People Unite)
 * Oh Wicked Man (1978) - (People Unite)
 * See Them Ah Come / How Long Jah (1979) - (People Unite)
 * Six One Penny / Oh Wicked Man (1979) - (Nacksving)
 * Richman / Salvation (1979) - (People Unite)
 * Zapatta (1980) - (People Unite)
 * Wandering Wanderer / Cry Out For Peace (1981) - (People Unite)
 * Peace And Love / Bail Out (1981) - (People Unite)
 * Jah Jah Bless Africa (1981) - (People Unite)
 * Poor And Needy / Follow Fashion (1983) - (People Unite)
 * Poor And Needy / Persecution (1985) - (Tonpress)
 * Own Them Control Them (1986) - (People Unite)
 * Together (1988) - (People Unite)
 * The Midas Touch (1989) - (Kaz Records)

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Figure 1: Polaritonics may resolve the incongruence between electronics, which suffers technological and physical barriers to increased speed, and photonics, which requires lossy integration of light source and guiding structures. Other quasiparticles/collective excitations such as magnon-polaritons and exciton-polaritons, their location identified above, may be exploitable in the same way that phonon-polaritons have been for polaritonics.

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Talk:Vertical service code

Ugly list
The long list of bullets is ugly and difficult to read. A conversion to tabular format would be better. If no one's going to do it, I'll eventually get around to it. -Shoecream 01:28, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll second that. This format is ok if you need a definition of a code, but if one is trying to figure out what code does "whatever" it is not the best format.  At best, then, it is a laundry list of codes.  I would suggest making it a "sortable table" with codes being one column, function (say "Cancel Call Waiting") being another and the detailed explanation in a "details & comments" column.  Users could then sort based on either the first or second column depending on whether they are looking for a definition of a specific code or searching for a code to perform a specified function.Enquire (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The codes listed for "Cellular One" need to be researched. Cellular One was a brand applied to a wide variety of mobile services, so those codes could have come from anywhere, and may not be in use any more. -- Justinbb (talk) 18:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that Lexlex merged in the other similar page containing a table, the next step is to combine the information instead of having it listed twice...

 * someone tagged the article with a GLOBALIZE, so I picked a handful and . . . what may be needed is to find a counterpart of and ..  Nuts240 (talk) 01:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps http://portal.etsi.org/HF/hf_service_codes.asp ETSI Supplementary service codes ? Nuts240 (talk) 01:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Standard
Is the vertical service code actually a world-wide standard, or just limited to US Bells?

Thanks, --Abdull 13:38, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good question. I think, at least, it applies to Canada and the USA. In some locations the same codes also work with a # after the number instead of a * before. For example, some telcos have (for example) "70#" equivalent to *70".Enquire (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The VSCs are designed strictly for use within the North American Numbering Plan. In Europe, a separate set of "supplementary service" codes has been developed and is standardized by ETSI. See Supplementary service codes -- Justinbb (talk) 18:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are they called 'vertical'?
81.94.145.74 13:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal
It seems these two pages are very similar and could be combined easily into one. If nothing else, one should reference the other - but repeating the same information on both is problematic at best. Lexlex (talk) 19:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Which two? Jim.henderson (talk) 17:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * CLASS, LASS and VSC -- It was an obvious error, so I've already done it. Lexlex (talk) 23:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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8 renamed to 5 claim not backed up by data
"so all *8x codes are reassigned *5x" - but thIs isn't true for 87 for example... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.98.87 (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Cleaned up links
The links from the "Service" column of the table were mostly to pages which re-directed back to this one without any benefit (not even a section identifier). These have been removed. In cases where the link in the "Tone" column was useful, I made the Service column link to the same place, albeit directly without the *## re-direct. This leaves quite a few renamed links where the target page title and the "Service" listing used different terminology, but I am not a subject matter expert so I did not want to change the displayed text. Philhower (talk) 19:37, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Ping Wu

Ping Wu (born May 16, 1956) is an American television and film actor.

Personal life
Wu is Chinese–American. His father was author and educator Nelson Ikon Wu, and his sister, Ting Wu, is a genetics professor at the Harvard Medical School.

Career
Wu is best known for the recurring role of "Ping," the delivery boy, on the television sitcom, Seinfeld. He has also appeared on other sitcoms, such as Everybody Loves Raymond, How I Met Your Mother, Two and a Half Men, The King of Queens, Anger Management, and Rules of Engagement. He appeared in the 1988 TV mini-series, Noble House, Rock Hudson and The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones: Journey of Radiance. He played a Japanese officer in the 2001 film Pearl Harbor, as well as a physician in the 1991 medical drama The Doctor.

He appeared in three episodes of the fourth season of 24.

He also appeared in an episode of Californication; and has been featured in several television commercials.

He appeared in Fresh Off The Boat and has a recurring role as Henry on Silicon Valley.

Wu has also worked as a voice actor in the video game Fallout 4.

He was in an episode of 21 Jump Street. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW4yfjZcD-Y

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HMS Barfleur (1768)

HMS Barfleur was a 90-gun second-rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, designed by Sir Thomas Slade on the lines of the 100-gun ship Royal William, and launched at Chatham Dockyard on 30 July 1768, at a cost of £49,222. In about 1780, she had another eight guns added to her quarterdeck, making her a 98-gun ship; she possessed a crew of approximately 750. Her design class sisters were the HMS Prince George (1772), HMS Princess Royal (1773), and HMS Formidable (1777). She was a ship of long service and many battles.

In June 1773, King George III reviewed the British fleet at Spithead. Barfleur, under Captain Edward Vernon, was on this occasion the flagship of the fleet commander, Vice-Admiral Thomas Pye.

She distinguished herself as the flagship of Rear-Admiral Samuel Hood on the Leeward Islands station during the American War of Independence. Under Captain John Knight, she was flagship at the indecisive action of 28 April 1781 off Martinique against the French fleet of Rear-Admiral Comte de Grasse, at which Barfleur lost five men killed.

She next took part in the battles of the Chesapeake, St. Kitts and the Saintes. At the Battle of the Chesapeake on 5 September 1781, under Captain Alexander Hood (later Lord Bridport), she was again the flag of Samuel Hood, second in command to Rear-Admiral Thomas Graves, 1st Baron Graves. The battle was won against the French under de Grasse, which had a profound effect on the outcome of the American war.

She saw further action in the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, taking part in Richard Howe's victory at the Glorious First of June as the flagship of Rear-Admiral (W) George Bowyer, with Captain Cuthbert Collingwood in 1794. In this battle she engaged the French FRENCH SHIP Indomptable on 29 May and took a major part in the general action of 1 June, with a total loss of 9 killed and 25 wounded.

She later saw action under Lord Bridport at the Battle of Groix. In 1797 she was with Admiral Sir John Jervis at the Battle of Cape St Vincent.

In 1805, under Captain George Martin, she was part of the Channel Fleet. Her final battle was fought in a squadron under Admiral Sir Robert Calder at the Battle of Cape Finisterre on 22 July 1805 in the attack on the combined Franco-Spanish fleet off Ushant. The action was fought in heavy weather, part of the time in thick fog. The master and four others were killed and Lieutenant Peter Fisher and six others were wounded.

In 1807 under Captain Sir Joseph Sydney Yorke she served in the Channel Fleet. In 1808, under Capt. D. M'Cleod, she served as the flagship of Rear-Admiral Charles Tyler and was engaged in the blockade of Lisbon and the escort to Plymouth of the first division of the Russian squadron commanded by Vice-Admiral Dmitry Senyavin. In 1811, under Captain Sir Thomas Hardy, she was engaged in actions in support of the army under Lord Wellington at Lisbon.

After the conclusion of the Napoleonic wars, Barfleur spent some years in ordinary at Chatham, and was finally broken up there in January 1819.

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Nick Blinko

Nicholas John Blinko (born 4 September 1961) is a British musician and artist, best known as the lead singer, lyricist, and guitar player for the anarcho-punk band Rudimentary Peni. He is also known for being an "outsider" artist, whose pen-and-ink drawings and paintings have been shown in galleries worldwide. Blinko also creates all the drawings used by the band for its artwork.

Music
Nicholas John George Blinko's first recorded musical project was the Magits, who formed in 1977 and were primarily electronic. This band's only record, the 1979 7-inch EP Fully Coherent, was the first release on Blinko's Outer Himalayan Records label, and received occasional airplay by John Peel on Radio 1.

His most well-known and longest running band, Rudimentary Peni, formed in 1980 and would go on to release three albums and six EPs spanning 1981–2009. A full-length collection of the first two EPs was also released in 1987.

Rudimentary Peni's concept album Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric was allegedly written while Blinko was being detained in a psychiatric hospital under Section 3 of the UK Mental Health Act 1983. The subject matter of the album was purported to be based on the delusions Blinko was experiencing at this time.

Writing
Blinko has written and illustrated three books. The first, The Primal Screamer, was a fictionalized semi-autobiographical novel with horror elements. It was published in 1995 by Spare Change Books and received a second printing in 1997 and a third in 2002. The book is written as a series of journal entries made by the therapist of "Nathaniel Snoxell" (who starts a band which is never named but is similar to Rudimentary Peni in many ways). This book was reprinted in 2011 by PM Press, and collected artwork used for several previous editions under one cover for the first time. The 2011 edition was distributed by the Alternative Tentacles label.

Blinko's second book, Haunted Head, was published in 2009 by David Tibet via Coptic Cat, in a limited edition of approximately 350 copies. An exclusive micro-edition of 60 copies was also published, featuring an original piece of art, while all copies of the book contained a postcard with a handwritten excerpt from the book. The edition size reflected the number of Blinko's handwritten postcards, from which the text of the book was transcribed, and which were included in the book. The book also included a one-track CD of a song by Rudimentary Peni called "Wilfred Owen The Chances"

His third book was titled Visions of Pope Adrian 37th. It was published in 2011, again by Coptic Cat, in two extremely limited editions which both included a small piece of original art by Blinko, drawn directly onto a page of the book. The "standard edition" was limited to 370 copies, while the "special edition" was limited to 37. The book included 87 drawings, an introduction by outsider art specialist Colin Rhodes and a brief introduction by Blinko. The artwork in this book was reproduced in its original A5 size.

Blinko also contributed to a collection of punk fiction short stories, Gobbing, Pogoing and Gratuitous Bad Language!: An Anthology of Punk Short Stories by Stewart Home (1996-04-06), published in 1996 by Spare Change Books. His story, "Punk Alice" (a reference to Rudimentary Peni's song "Alice Crucifies the Paedophiles"), is written in a sketchbook style of doodles and scribbled phrases referencing the death of punk, chess, Catholicism, depression, goth, Rudimentary Peni lyrics and drug chemicals.

Art
Blinko has contributed album artwork to several musical projects aside from his own. Among these are Part 1's 1985 release Pictures of Pain, released on Pushead's label Pusmort; Coil's 1997 release, Unnatural History III, released on Threshold House; Iron Lung's 2007 Prank Records release Sexless//No Sex; Omaniescum Aorisum's 2013 Solitude Records release Mademoiselle Hélène; and Fire in the Head's 2010 release Confessions of a Narcissist. He also contributed musically to two releases by Fire in the Head.

Blinko's artwork has been shown internationally and featured in books and magazines related to the field of outsider art. An exhibition at the National Schizophrenia Fellowship in 1994 first brought his art to public attention; he is now represented in the Collection de l'art brut in Lausanne. He had a show at Kinz + Tillou Gallery in New York City in 2006. Some of Blinko's artwork was featured at the Portland, Oregon art exhibit "Entartete Kunts" in June 2009. In 2011, he had a solo exhibit titled "Visions of Pope Adrian 37th" at Pallant House Gallery in the U.K.

Colin Rhodes' Outsider Art: Spontaneous Alternatives, published by Thames & Hudson in 2000, featured Blinko's art and a description of his working process.

Personal life
Blinko lives in Abbots Langley, Hertfordshire. He has been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. Blinko's younger brother is Timothy Blinko, composer and Professor of Music at the University of Hertfordshire.

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Heuliez

Heuliez was a French carrosserie that worked as a production and design unit for various automakers. It specialized in producing short series for niche markets, such as convertibles or station-wagons.

The business activity ended on 31 October 2013. The company's plant and buildings have been taken over by the "Fabrique régionale du Bocage", a quasi-company which has the regional government of Poitou-Charentes as its majority shareholder.

History
Heuliez was created in 1920 by Adolphe Heuliez, who started by making horse-drawn carts. As early as 1925, he assembled his first car, a Peugeot 177B. He also created a subsidiary company for the production of buses, which was later sold in 1980 and trades as Heuliez Bus.

Toward the end, however, the main product of Heuliez was the retractable roof made for the Peugeot 206 CC, with 350,000 units being produced. It also produced entire cars, such as the Opel Tigra. Since 1985, Heuliez has produced more than 450,000 cars, with a staff of over 2,000.

Poor sales of the Tigra forced Heuliez to reduce its staff by 541 and Opel asked Heuliez to reduce its output from 200 to 50 cars/day until the end of 2006.

In October 2007, Heuliez asked for protection from creditors. In July 2008, Argentum Motors committed itself to invest 10 million Euros in the business, with a further 10 million Euros during the ensuing five years, in return for 60% of the company's capital, but the agreement was not followed through.

The main production plant is located in Cerizay in the Deux-Sèvres département. The president of Heuliez is Paul Quéveau.

In 2010, Heuliez went out of the convertible rooftop-making business, and the electric vehicle elements were acquired by the Franco-German group Baelen Gaillard Industrie-ConEnergy-Kohl and were renamed Mia electric which itself ceased business in 2014.

Production

 * Citroën BX Station Wagon (1985–1994)
 * Citroën Visa Chrono (1984)
 * Citroën Visa Mille Pistes (1984)
 * Citroën Visa Convertible (1984)
 * Citroën BX 4TC (1986)
 * Citroën CX Break (1989–1991)
 * Citroën XM Break (1992–2000)
 * Citroën Xantia Break (1995–2001)
 * Opel Tigra TwinTop (2004–2009)
 * Peugeot 206 CC (2000–2007)
 * Peugeot 604 Limousine (1978–1984)
 * Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 road cars
 * Porsche 914/6 Murène concept car (1970)
 * Renault 5 Turbo

Electric vehicles

 * Heuliez Friendly, becoming Mia electric
 * Heuliez Pondicherry, neighborhood all-electric urban pick-up prototype

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OPG 7 commemorative turbine

The OPG 7 Gomberg Turbine was a Vestas model V80-1.8MW wind turbine in Pickering, Ontario. At the time of its construction, it was one of the largest wind turbines in North America, a 117-metre high wind machine commissioned in 2001 and designed to produce enough power to satisfy about 600 average households. This electricity was also emission-free.

The commercial wind power industry has introduced steadily larger wind turbines to improve efficiency and the energy returned on energy invested. By 2008, the OPG 7 was no longer an unusually large wind turbine, with many new wind farms installing units of 3MW capacity and larger. However, this wind turbine was the only unit in the world to be directly on the site of a nuclear power plant.

On September 30, 2019, Ontario Power Generation began to dismantle the turbine as it had reached near the end of its design life. Demolition was completed by November 8.

Technical details
The Pickering Wind Generating Station (GS) produced an average of about 2900 megawatthours (MWh) of electricity a year from 2001 to 2005. It generated about 18% of the electricity it would have if it had operated 24 hours a day for 365 days a year. This 18% capacity factor is low compared to other forms of generation, and is low compared to most commercial wind farms in North America, which normally average 25-40%. For comparison with European wind farms, the aforementioned figure for American wind farms would be identical. The low capacity factor results mainly from the lack of constant strong winds at the Pickering site, the wind shadow effect of nearby large buildings, and the high maintenance required for a prototype unit. The relatively low capacity factor is typical for wind turbines sited primarily as demonstration units. Other areas in Ontario have superior wind resources.

The wind turbine typically produced enough electricity to supply the annual electricity needs of about 330 average homes. At full power, it could supply about 1,800 homes at any given time. In comparison, any one of the six operating reactors at Pickering Nuclear Generating Station can supply enough electricity for over 500,000 homes. To rival the output of a nuclear plant, many wind turbines must be installed together into a large wind farm.

About 50 truckloads of concrete totalling some 318 tonnes formed the steel-reinforced tower base. The wind turbine components (blades, hub, nacelle, tower sections) traveled from the Vestas manufacturing plant in Denmark. A barge delivered the components to Oshawa, and trucks hauled them from there to the site. Power from the wind turbine traveled on underground cables into the electrical grid system.

The amount of electricity produced by the wind turbine depended on the strength and quality of the winds at any given time. The wind speed at which this turbine began to generate electricity (its cut-in speed) was about 16.9 km/h (10.5 mph). When operating, the blades turned at a constant speed of 15.7 revolutions per minute. If the wind speed was more than 90 km/h (56 mph), on-board computers shut off the turbine and feathered the blades to avoid potential damage from metal strain under such conditions.

Technicians could access the generator atop the tower by climbing a ladder inside the hollow tower. Because of this difficult access, public tours of the wind turbine were not permitted. However, the turbine featured prominently in the corporation's public relations campaigns, and there were occasional guided tours.

Ontario Power Generation's Evergreen Energy control room in North Bay monitored the wind turbine's operation 24 hours per day, 7 days a week.

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Talk:Duesenberg

Chrysler category
I'm just wondering how Duesenberg gets a "Chrysler category" nod user: stude62 user talk:stude62 01:35, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think I may have the anwser. The aborted Duesenberg revival attempted in 1966 was built with a 1966 Imperial chassis and it had a 440 cid Chrysler engine. SD October 21 2005.
 * I wonder if there could be a reference to the SSJ, which I think was a special version of the SJ, of which only two were built, one for Clarke Gable and one for Cary Grant JRJW 12 December 2005

THE 2 IMAGES IN "COMPATIBLE" 3D
This is a popular new technique that is used on several on line college credit classes, and at least 5000 images are on line at sites like the USGS National Park 3D site. (Google for it) The images are in color and have very little artifacting from the 3D. Kids love 3D, and millions of them own the glasses. Old folks like Duesenbergs, but I'd like to see kids and teens have some awareness of their grace and beauty. Compare these three shots below: One is from "commons", the 1932 J, which looks rather muddy, and the other two, in "compatible 3D", illustrate the cool look of the headers and trunk on the j models. The color and shadow detail is superior to the commons image. For the millions of "progressive kids and students", who have the glasses, the effect is stunning! Wikipedia is a 21st century encylopedia. Perhaps you'd prefer black & white Duesenberg images! 69.226.189.210 00:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[Since 2000, original Duesenbergs have typically sold at auction for around two million dollars, US.]

There's already coverage of auction prices.

A.J. Hoe
Shouldn't A.J. "Jim" Hoe of Old Westbury, L.I. and then of Westport, Connecticut, be mentioned in an article on Duesenburgs? He kept a card file of all Duesenburgs and parts around the U.S. and restored many. --Wetman 07:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Revival
Wasn't there a revival attempt with a blocky modern car in the seventies ? Hektor 20:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Bad Graphic Layouts...
The current way of laying out the pics in the article falls horribly on wide displays, because the paragraphs end up shorter than the pics, so they end up appearing to be ridiculously wide in their spacing. Someone might wish to fix that. --Kaz 19:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed it. This should look better on all display sizes. --Kaz 15:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I clicked the link to this car from the Altimeter page. Does anyone have any info on the altimeter on this vehicle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwfish (talk • contribs) 04:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The photo of the grey "1931 Duesenberg J"
I'm pretty familiar with the Duesenberg line. I'm familiar enough with Duesenbergs to point out that it was the "SJ" version which was equipped with side pipes, not the "J" version - the "S" designation meaning "supercharged". The first photo to appear in the Duesenberg article is of a grey model "SJ" - not the "J" that the caption claims it to be.

I am currently searching the 'net for specific sites which will back up this claim and will add them here (not in the article itself) when I find them. While I know how to edit article text, I do not know how to edit photo captions and would appreciate it if somebody would make the correction I'm asking for.

An additional note: The Duesenberg "Straight 8" engine had its intake manifold on the driver's side and its exhaust manifold on the passenger side. All Duesenberg side pipes appear on the passenger side only. Any photo showing side pipes on the driver's side has been reversed.

Most Sincerely, Gallion620 71.60.132.201 (talk) 06:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Uncited and not credible
''Currently, there is another attempt to revive the Duesenberg name with the "Duesenberg Torpedo Coupe" slated for market introduction in mid 2008. This vehicle will have a Mercedes-Benz CL500 as a chassis donor, and offer an air-cooled, self-lubricating, supercharged, 12-cylinder rotating engine with an estimated fuel efficiency of 70 MPG and 300 horsepower (called the Cylindrical Energy Module).''

This passage is not cited and sounds like MBEP (Male Bovine Eliminatory Product). I shall delete it. Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 14:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

infobox
Should use template:Infobox Company or template:Infobox Defunct Company to make similar look than other car company articles --Typ932 T·C 17:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Duesenberg Coupe Simone
As far as I can tell, the Duesenberg Coupe Simone never actually existed. It was a design exercise commissioned by The Franklin Mint. Removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.110.6.227 (talk) 23:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC) The creators were Roger Hardnock and Raffi Minasian. Can be verfied at Mr. Miasian's web site here: http://www.raffim.com/Portfolio_AutDes3.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.54.169 (talk) 03:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

1.4, 1.7 million are not "multi-millions"
In this section: "The Duesenberg name still lives on as an object of opulence and luxury... It is not uncommon today for a Duesenberg in good condition to sell for over one million dollars, and a few sell for multimillion-dollar figures, including a Duesenberg J that was sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in January 2008 for well over 1 million dollars."

Well over a million dollars is not "multimillion" unless it's $2M or greater.

And "....Some of the World's most expensive Duesenbergs have been sold at auction by Dean Kruse including Greta Garbo's J for $1,400,000 and a 1932 Duesenberg Murphy Disappearing Top for $1,700,000...."

In other words, according to this,  the most expensive "Duesey" at auction to date went for  $1.7M - that is not "multimillions of dollars". I'm an interested amateur, not a hard-core collector - but I do not know of a single Duesenberg that has sold anywhere on the planet for $2M or over, which it would have to in order to be "multi-millions" of dollars. Moucon (talk) 01:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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Rename for article
this article should be renamed, to Duesenberg Motor Company. Please feel free to comment if you wish. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Bicycle shop
My home town is Garner Iowa. Their history included that the Deusenberg brothers ran a bicycle shop in Garner before they built racing cars in Des Moines. The shop became Jay Stoles barber shop in the 50s.

I’ll check this and add that detail to Wikipedia soon. UIowagrad (talk) 13:15, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Wheelbase
134 in (3,404 mm.)?? Isn't that wrong? Shouldn't it be 340,4 instead?--Ricce (talk) 02:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

In popular culture
Mentioned by Daddy Warbucks in the musical Annie? ELSchissel (talk) 02:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Etymology/doozy
I just removed a section that's been added a couple of times; I think it's undue weight given that the conclusion is "it's unrelated". Perhaps a footnote saying "The term "doozy" has been thought to derive from "Duesenberg" but this is known to be incorrect"? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:57, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that the only source for the entire section actively debunks any link between Duesenberg and the term "doozy", I agree that it's not only undue weight, but the first paragraph may actually come under WP:PLAGARISM or WP:COPY as it appears to be an almost complete C&P from the Miriam Webster article. I don't think a mention is warranted for a term that is not descended from the article topic - notability is just not there.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, not suggesting we reinstate the copied text. I think a footnote would be OK, though, since given that there clearly is an incorrect etymology floating around, a reader might come here to check it out.  What I removed is much more than would be justified. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 17:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I would first submit that deleting a whole section like this - when users do look to this article with the genuine question 'Does Doozy come from Duesenberg?' - is doing Wikipedia and its users a disservice. If the answer to that question is 'no' or 'doubtful', well then let the answer be found here. I agree that the referencing and sourcing could be improved (or actually provided!) and I have sought to trim the article to a reasonable weight. Can we first agree to leave this shortened version in place and then discuss its development. Deleting entirely effectively deletes the discussion. The discussion is not whether such a section should exist at all (it clearly should) but rather how much should be in it. Wikifiveoh (talk) 09:31, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Can I just ask you, in follow up, whether there is some merit in adding back in the core element of the Merriam-Webster text. Considered opinion indicates that a Duesenberg origin is doubtful, but that content is valuable in explaining this. Perhaps we could just say 'it appeared in eastern Ohio in 1916, four years before the production of the first Duesenberg vehicles'. What do you think? Wikifiveoh (talk) 09:35, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's now even worse than it was before. The section now is an excellent example of weasel wording to suggest that the term may still have derived from Duesenberg.  Given that you've also removed the only reference from the section - that thoroughly debunked any link between the term and the vehicle - I've removed it again on that basis alone.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:18, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Better or worse, you should work to improve it - not delete it entirely. If weight of argument says that Duesenberg is not the origin of the term, then the page should have a section stating that. I am reinstating it again. If you just remove it again, I will simply flag your behaviour to Wikipedia as inappropriate. You can discuss with them. Wikifiveoh (talk) 10:52, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You’ll end up blocking for edit warring if you do that. You should try to get consensus here on the talk page first.  I agree that a sentence might be warranted, but your text is not a good solution.  Propose wording here and it can be debated without an edit war. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The section was wrongly deleted in the first place without consensus. Add to Wikipedia by editing rather than deleting. You 'agree that a sentence might be warranted' but are content to leave Wikipedia without it. Wikifiveoh (talk) 11:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you take a look at WP:BRD, which says that if an addition is reverted it should be discussed, not just re-added, and at WP:3RR, which makes it clear that an editor who repeatedly removes or re-adds text is likely to be blocked. The right approach here is to agree text on the talk page that can then be added.  I agree with the criticisms that have been made of the added text.  I suggested alternative text above but have not added it as I don’t see consensus to do so. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Given that the section has been reverted and added back in again, I feel there's no alternative but to take this to AN/E. It's not just that the addition has been flip-flopped, but that the current proposal - and existing text - is a clear breach of unsourced supposition and weasel-wording. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:54, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The AN/E has been resolved with a warning. I have - again - taken out the section.  Two different editors have seen fit to remove the text, citing policy for doing so each time.  There may be a case for having a single sentence stating that it's not related to the term, but I don't think so - although if you case to provide examples below I may be convinced - then you'd have full support, as Mike Christie doesn't seem against that either.  However the current text cannot stay as it breaches policy, and you can't just keep throwing text and hoping some will stick.  Use the talk page here to propose alternatives.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:19, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The OED says that the origin of "doozy" is uncertain, but suggests that it is "perhaps" a variant of "daisy", which was US slang for a "first-rate person or thing", with citations from 1757 to 1889. It does not mention Duesenberg. The OED's first citation for "doozy" is from 1903, and obviously cannot be derived from Duesenberg if the company was founded in 1920. I don't think there needs to be any mention of the erroneous etymology related to Duesenberg in this article, especially without a source, and most especially the last version which contains the unsourced weaselly implication that Duesenberg may be the origin even though sources dispute it. CodeTalker (talk) 18:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragontimes Craft

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:36, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dragontimes Craft
Blatant advertisement. -- Antaeus Feldspar 01:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * delete agree, ad. Wolfman 01:48, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the ad. – flamurai (t) 01:51, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Obviously an ad. Zzyzx11 07:10, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ad. Mgm|(talk) 09:59, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

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Seaboard World Airlines

Seaboard World Airlines was an international all-cargo airline based in the United States. Its headquarters were on the grounds of John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City.

History
Seaboard World Airlines was founded on September 16, 1946, as Seaboard & Western Airlines. It initially operated Douglas DC-4 aircraft, followed by Lockheed Super Constellation airliners. It adopted the name Seaboard World Airlines in April 1961. Jet cargo service started in 1964 with the introduction of the Douglas DC-8.

The airline played a prominent role in the Vietnam War during the late 1960s, using Douglas DC-8-63 jets to connect McChord Air Force Base, Washington with Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam. In 1968, one of these flights operating as Seaboard World Airlines Flight 253A was forced to land in the Soviet Union with 214 American troops on board. On 30 April 1969, a Seaboard World Airlines DC-8 with 219 passengers and 13 crewmembers landed by mistake at Marble Mountain Air Facility, when it had actually been cleared to land at the nearby Da Nang Air Base. After fuel and passengers were offloaded, the plane was towed to the north overrun and departed five hours after the landing incident.

Seaboard was the first airline to fly a 747 Freighter service from the UK to the USA.

The airline merged with Flying Tiger Line on October 1, 1980, resulting in the loss of its corporate identity.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Latin-American percussion

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:58, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Latin-American percussion
This reads more like a analytical essay for a college class than an encyclopedia article. Not what I expected when I visited the article. – flamurai (t) 01:39, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It looks like it is only a personal essay. Zzyzx11 07:12, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Tag it with and list it on Pages needing attention. some of the material could probably be re-used in a rewrite. Wolfman 07:13, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV original essay/research, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 09:07, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * While the subject would be worthy of inclusion, this essay isn't. Delete and start from scratch imho. Radiant! 09:24, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A cleanup would require rewriting from scratch anyway. What is salvageable, is well-known to anyone who would endeavor the job. Mikkalai 20:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I concur with Mikkalai. And if cleaning up means rewriting from scratch, the article should be deleted. I still believe the proper way to suggest a subject for inclusion in Wikipedia is not writing a bad article about it and expecting others to improve it. vlad_mv 04:32, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Figure 2: Fanciful depiction of a polaritonic circuit illustrating fully integrated terahertz wave generation, guidance, manipulation, and readout in a single patterned material. Phonon-polaritons are generated in the upper left and lower right hand corners by focusing femtosecond optical excitation pulses into the crystal near waveguide entrances. Phonon-polaritons propagate laterally away from the excitation region and into the waveguides. Signal processing and circuit functionality is facilitated by resonant cavities, reflectors, focusing elements, coupled waveguides, splitters, combiners, interferometers, and photonic bandgap structures created by milling channels that fully extend throughout the thickness of the crystal.

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