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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DartMUD

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:30, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

DartMUD
Non-notable online game. 26 players online when I checked. —Korath (Talk) 21:39, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete EggplantWizard 21:41, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Plenty of MUDs like that, and I'd wager it uses all the standard areas from Diku. A MUD with hundreds of players might be notable. Radiant! 22:14, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * It has all custom areas and skills, and a skill-based advancement system (as well as a numberless classless interface). Also note the tens of thousands of google hits on "Dartmud".  Pakaran 22:51, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Neither custom areas nor skills are unusual, and a numberless interface isn't uncommon either. Of those tens of thousands of google hits, only 266 are dissimilar enough from each other for Google to display. —Korath (Talk) 23:54, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Radiant makes a generalization of the mud without ever having played it. First off, it's not even Diku. It's LP. Also, it's not how many users, it's how the users interact. Some muds with hundreds of users you can't ever find because they're never interacting with anyone. Also, it uses no custom areas, and has been running since 1991. --Shadyman 01:34, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable, as I outline above Pakaran 22:51, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. -Sean Curtin 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Hoary 05:00, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
 * Keep, but with reservations. Article needs expansion. Megan1967 07:31, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, but with reservations of expansion. see comments above. --Shadyman 01:34, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * User's sixth edit. —Korath (Talk) 02:17, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * How is a personal attack relevant to this discussion? *7th edit*--Shadyman 02:42, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Dartmud is small because it is a mud among muds, where only the quick-thinking and adaptable survive. I'd take a small challenging mud - next to one of those giants with 1500 newbs who gripe constantly to the GM's - any day, as would anyone looking for a game worth playing for years without tiring. If you doubt, play for a week or two. And yes, the current description is severely lacking. Kiev
 * User's first edit. —Korath (Talk) 02:17, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It has changed my life. WARNING its will addict you like no other *strayne*
 * Strayne's first edit. —Korath (Talk) 02:50, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: I've been active on muds for several years and have experience a lot of them.  I have not seen another MUD that resembles Dartmud in all that time.  Before you knock it, log in and give it a try. While it is an ADVANCED mud, it is easy to become involved and your character integrated into the multi-facted social system. --Donovan 02:52, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * User's first edit. —Korath (Talk) 02:50, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: the above further cement my position that this is primarily an advertisement, not an encyclopedia article. —Korath (Talk) 02:54, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - I have played Dartmud for over 4-years. I have been banned repeatedly and am still attracted to the originalities, player interaction and deep skill base, that I find myself, despite being banned, searching for alternative methods to playing Dartmud.  However, I have also played other muds, like, Achaea, Age of Chaos, and Ancient Anguish.  It should be noted that, in comparison, none of these muds come close to the kind of quality that Dartmud possesses.  Thank you.
 * 24.17.141.162's first edit. —Korath (Talk) 06:32, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm a longtime player of DM, but I don't say "keep" for that reason, nor for DM's general wonderfulness. I vote to keep it because DartMUD happens to be one of the primary sources of inspiration for Ultima Online (which in turn inspired many other MMORPGs), something I notice isn't mentioned in the entry. Also, the first two posters who left comments could do well to remember that "notable" and "popular" are two different things entirely. As has been previously noted, the second person to comment made a generalization which was wrong in every aspect. I do agree that the article needs expansion.
 * 65.31.212.32's first edit. —Korath (Talk) 06:52, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - But only if the description is changed. Dartmud is notable, as a small mud that has lasted longer than most.  It's strong emphesis on roleplay creates an absorbing environment that one can easly be lost in for hours.  It was innovative at the time of it's change over from level/xp to skill system, however in today's gaming society it is nothing new or innovative. It can be fun, it can be addictive, but that doesn't make it notable. 09:32, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 70.33.151.130's first edit. —Korath (Talk) 06:52, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Raph Koster, a creator for Ultima Online, once wrote: "DartMUD was influential on me, certainly--ought to have been for everyone. I think the key problem they had was that their system required a critical mass of players of diverse types in order to function, and they never really achieved that mass." Not a huge playerbase, yes. Influential? Yes. (It seems the original article has vanished. My source was an old post in our forums, which you can find at www.surfon.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=351.) Further, Björn Morén wrote: "One of the chief inspirations for simulationist design in the hobbyist community was the game DartMUD." (a live link http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2004/01/the_value_of_re.html). I apologize if my previous post came off as an advertisement. Kiev
 * Keep Though the original article could use some changes. I am a long time player of Dartmud - and it is truly unique in many ways. One way is the way its political system works. Dartmud has the only completely unrestricted PK system I have seen which actually works. Most characters who have been around a few months have the ability to kill and hide most other characters - but the fact that a pk'er who makes one mistep will loose his own character tends to keep pk under control. It is true that most of the votes for keeping the page here are probably from Dartmud players - but I see no problem with the page existing on Wikipedia.
 * Keep Each request for delete listed stems from ignorance on the part of the deleter. To briefly adress the points, the userlist numbers are not reliable -- this is a feature which allows users to hide their on/offline status. This is not a Diku. Although numberless interfaces are not at all uncommon, DartMUD pioneered the concept in '91. All areas are original, there are no stock areas anywhere in the Mud. Dartmud originated the 'craft' system. In all probability the move to delete was started by one or more players recently banned for cheating (apropos any number of recent threads at the dartmud forum http://www.surfon.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/forums.cgi?forum=2 where the banned players have been causing any amount of trouble). With regards to the limited returns from a Google search, this is a result of an in-game policy which dissallows dissemination of information which can be obtained in-character through other means. DartMUD has a long history, has influenced the development of nearly every mud currently existing, and all of the commercial MMOGs currently running from Everquest to WoW. The DartMUD article certainly needs to be expanded such that it reflects the importance of DartMUD and its shaping of online gaming, but it is certainly noteworthy in any discussion of persistent online games.

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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Michael Turner (businessman)

Michael John Turner CBE (born 5 August 1948) is the former chief executive officer (CEO) of the aerospace and defence company BAE Systems, former chairman of Babcock International and prior to the hostile takeover by Melrose was chairman of GKN plc.

Early life
He attended Didsbury Technical High School (became Wilbraham High School in 1965) on School Lane in Didsbury. He gained a BA from Manchester Polytechnic in 1970, whilst working for Hawker Siddeley Aviation which he joined in 1966.

Career
Turner replaced the previous CEO at BAE Systems plc, John Weston, in March 2002 who was dismissed. Turner has previously been a Chief Operating Officer (COO) of the company, responsible for all of the company's business units.

Both Turner and BAE's previous chairman, Sir Richard Evans, have had an abrasive relationship with senior Ministry of Defence officials. The relationship deteriorated over cost over-runs and delays to major procurement projects, for example BAE announced a shock profit warning in December 2002 related to two major projects, the Astute-class submarine and the Nimrod MRA4. BAE took a £750 million hit against these projects.

On 15 October 2007 it was announced by BAE Systems that Turner would step down from his role in 2008. On 1 September 2008 Ian King the COO took over from Turner as CEO.

Turner is a member of the Apprenticeship Ambassadors Network and was awarded the prestigious "Honorary Apprenticeship Award" in July 2009.

Career timeline

 * 1966 – Undergraduate Commercial Apprentice, Hawker Siddeley Aviation.
 * 1970 – Contracts Officer, Hawker Siddeley Aviation.
 * 1978 – Contracts Manager (Military), British Aerospace Aircraft Group Manchester Division.
 * 1981 – Executive Director - Administration, British Aerospace
 * 1982 – Divisional Administration Director, British Aerospace
 * Early 1980s to 1984 – Advanced Turboprop (ATP) Project team leader, British Aerospace
 * 1984 – Divisional Director and General Manager, Kingston, British Aerospace. Responsible for BAE's Kingston and Dunsfold Park facilities, which manufactured the Harrier and Hawk aircraft respectively.
 * 1986 – Director and General Manager, Weybridge, Kingston and Dunsfold, part of BAe's Military Aircraft Division.
 * 1987 – Director Marketing and Product Support, BAe Military Aircraft Division.
 * 1988 – Executive Vice President Defence Marketing, British Aerospace
 * 1992 – Chairman and Managing Director, British Aerospace Regional Aircraft and Chairman of Jetstream Aircraft.
 * 1994 – Promoted to the British Aerospace board as of 1 January
 * 1994 – Chairman of Commercial Aerospace, which included BAE's Airbus factories.
 * 1995 – Vice-President of the Society of British Aerospace Companies until 1996, then President from June 1996 until June 1997.
 * 1996 – Non-Executive Director of Babcock International Group.
 * 1996 – Head of BAE's defence export businesses
 * 1998 – Appointed to the Airbus Supervisory Board. Retained this seat with the formation of Airbus SAS in 2001 until BAE sold its 20% share in 2006.
 * 1999 – With the formation of BAE Systems, became Chief Operating Officer.
 * 2002 – Replaced John Weston as CEO.
 * 2005 – Non-Executive Director of P&O. Stepped down in March 2006.
 * 2006 – Executive Directorship at Lazard Ltd
 * 2008 – Non-Executive Chairman of Babcock International Group.
 * 2012 – Non-Executive Chairman of GKN Plc
 * 2018- Non-Executive Barclays PLC

Personal life
In 1972, he married Rosalind Thomas and they have two sons. He received a CBE for services to the Aerospace Industry in the Queen's 1999 Birthday Honours. 2014 NED FTSE 100 Chairman of the year.

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Talk:Otterhound

Initial message
This is what I love about Wikipedia. I write an ok article and within an hour, it becomes a good article through contributions of others. That's why I stay. :) --Woohookitty 21:42, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vulnerable Native Breed
This breed is classed in Britain as a VNB - a breed which originated in the UK but now has registration numbers with the Kennel Club of less then 300 puppies per year.

I'm a Canadian teenager on a gap year before Uni and I'm really interested in this. Would anyone like a VNB paragraph/link on this page? I can write it, but am ignorant about formatting etc. Plus, I'm trying to put together a whole collection on all 29 breeds on this list, including history and so on, using Wikipedia as one of my many sources. If you can help, or are interested at all, please contact me either on my talk page or at green_ied_dragon@hotmail.com

--The Wizard of Magicland 19:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Very clever!! 184.103.234.215 (talk) 23:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Endangered species?
I'm afraid whoever added the endangered species section jumped the gun a tad. The link provided to back up the statement refers to otters becoming an endangered species, not otterhounds. Otterhounds are a breed rather than a species, so don't qualify for the Endangered species list. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 04:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

They aren't an endagered species per se, as you stated, but they are in danger of dying out as a breed (see above) due to various circumstances, the most prominant of which being the fact that otters are no longer hunted and thier size and maintenance.--The Wizard of Magicland 09:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Top Photo
The dogs in the top photo are Kingstree Chieftain and Ch. Actaeons Precocious with Kingstree. The breeder has written a note about the photo here. I have added their names, as well as much more information. I actually have an Otterhound, so I would love to help sort this article out a bit more if no one minds. CYL (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If that note is true, the photo should probably be put up for deletion.149.154.159.142 (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Or I could just email the breeder, and ask for permission along with proper attribution? CYL (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC).

Pop culture Otterhounds
How do I add a tab of famous Otterhounds? Lucasashby (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hideshi Hino

Hideshi Hino (日野日出志 Hino Hideshi, born April 19, 1946) is a Japanese manga artist who specializes in horror stories. His comics include Hell Baby, Hino Horrors, and Panorama of Hell. He also wrote and directed two entries in the Guinea Pig series of horror films: Flower of Flesh and Blood (1985), and Mermaid in a Manhole (1988).

Biography
Hideshi Hino was born in Qiqihar to Japanese immigrant workers in Japanese-occupied Northeast China just when Japan surrendered at the end of World War II to the invading Soviet forces. His family escaped to Japan fearing retribution from Chinese civilians, so his town gathered up everybody and started to make their move to the remaining internationally governed harbours.

Hino has claimed that he was nearly killed en route to Japan by his fellow townspeople during the evacuation from China. Some of his manga have been based on his life and its events; for example, his grandfather was a yakuza and his father used to be a pig farmer with a spider tattoo on his back. Hino has depicted these in his manga many times (as in Panorama of Hell).

Although originally considering a job in the film industry, the works of manga artists Shigeru Sugiura and Yoshiharu Tsuge inspired the young Hino to express himself in the medium of manga instead. He originally began in doujinshi, and his first professional work, the short story Tsumetai Ase, was published in Osamu Tezuka's experimental manga magazine COM in 1967. From 1968 on, he published in the alternative manga magazine Garo. With the serialized "Hideshi Hino's Shocking Theater" coming out in 1971, his bizarre world of deviant killers, grotesque beasts, and decaying corpses was firmly established.

He found a large following in the world of shojo manga. Works such as Dead Little Girl and Ghost School were prominently featured in shojo magazines.

In 2004, Pony Canyon made a series of six live action films, based on his manga, called Hideshi Hino's Theater of Horror.

One of Hino's hobbies is maintaining Japanese swords. He is also a practitioner of Budō.

Works

 * Tsumetai Ase (つめたい汗), 1967, published in COM
 * Sabu no Machi (恐怖! 四次元の町 - サブの町), 1977-1978, published in Weekly Shōnen Magazine
 * Hell Baby (恐怖・地獄少女, Kyofu Jigoku Shōjo), 1982
 * The Hino Horror series:
 * Hino Horror Volume 1: The Red Snake (赤い蛇 Akai Hebi) (1983, one shot). Published in France as Serpent Rouge by Éditions IMHO.
 * Hino Horror Volume 2: The Bug Boy (毒虫小僧 Dokumushi Kozō) (1975, one shot). Published in France as L'Enfant Insecte by Éditions IMHO in November 2010.
 * Hino Horror Volume 3-4: Oninbo and the Bugs from Hell (地獄虫を食う! 鬼んぼ Jigoku Mushi Woku! Oninbo) (2 vol.).
 * Hino Horror Volume 5: The Living Corpse (死肉の男 Shiniku no Otoko) (1986, one shot).
 * Hino Horror Volume 6: Black Cat (黒猫の眼が闇に Kuro Neko no Megayamini)
 * Hino Horror Volume 7-8: The Collection (Mコレクション M Collection) (1995-1996, 2 vol., published in Horror M
 * Hino Horror Volume 9: Ghost School
 * Hino Horror Volume 10: Death's Reflection
 * Hino Horror Volume 11: Gallery of Horrors (恐怖ギャラリー Kyōfu Gallery) (1998, one shot).
 * Hino Horror Volume 12: Mystique Mandala of Hell (怪奇!地獄まんだら Kaiki! Jigoku Mandara) (1982, one shot).
 * Hino Horror Volume 13: Zipangu Night (ジパングナイト) (1997, one shot).
 * Hino Horror Volume 14: Skin And Bone
 * Hino Horror Volume 15: The Experiment
 * Hino Horror Volume 16: Who's That Girl?
 * Comics Underground Japan (short story Laughing Ball)
 * The Art of Hideshi Hino
 * Genshoku no kotō. Bokura no sensei (幻色の孤島（ぼくらの先生）) (1972, one shot). Published in Spain as La isla de las pesadillas.
 * Zōroku no Kibyō (蔵六の奇病) (1976, one shot). Published in Spain as La enfermedad de Zoroku.
 * Lullabies from Hell (地獄の子守唄) (1977, one shot).
 * City of Pigs (ブタの町, Buta no Machi) (1983)
 * Panorama of Hell (地獄変) (1984, one shot). Published in France as Panorama de l'enfer by Éditions IMHO . Published in Italy as Visioni d'Inferno by Telemaco Comics.
 * Circus Kitan (サーカス奇譚) (1991, one shot). Published in Spain as Circo de monstruos.
 * Masterpiece of the bizarre (怪奇傑作選 Kaiki kessakusen) (2015, one shot). Published in Spain as Historias de la máscara by Ediciones La Cúpula, S.L.

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Civil time

In modern usage, civil time refers to statutory time as designated by civilian authorities. Modern civil time is generally national standard time in a time zone at a fixed offset from Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), possibly adjusted by daylight saving time during part of the year. UTC is calculated by reference to atomic clocks and was adopted in 1972. Older systems use telescope observations.

In traditional astronomical usage, civil time was mean solar time reckoned from midnight. Before 1925, the astronomical time 00:00:00 meant noon, twelve hours after the civil time 00:00:00 which meant midnight. HM Nautical Almanac Office in the United Kingdom used Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) for both conventions, leading to ambiguity, whereas the Nautical Almanac Office at the United States Naval Observatory used GMT for the pre-1925 convention and Greenwich Civil Time (GCT) for the post-1924 convention until 1952. In 1928, the International Astronomical Union introduced the term Universal Time for GMT beginning at midnight.

In modern usage, GMT is no longer a formal standard reference time: it is now a name for the time zone UTC+00:00. Universal Time is now determined by reference to distant celestial objects: UTC is derived from International Atomic Time (TAI), and is adjusted by leap seconds to compensate for variations in the rotational velocity of the Earth. Civil Times around the world are all defined by reference to UTC. [In many jurisdictions, legislation has not been updated and still refers to GMT: this is taken to mean UTC+0.]

History
The division of the day into times of day has existed since the beginning of the calendar.

Twelve hours: Babylonian and Roman division of the day
People in Antiquity divided the day into twelve hours, but these were reckoned from sunrise rather than midnight. Babylonian hours were of equal length, while Roman temporal hours varied depending on the season.

The Horae, literally "the hours," were the original Greek goddesses who oversaw regulated life. They were the patron goddesses of the various times of day. In Greek tradition, the twelve hours were counted from just before sunrise to just after sunset.

Roman daytimes were called hora (hours), with the morning hour as hora prima. The night was divided into four sections called vigilia (night watch), two before midnight and two after. The Romans originally counted the morning hours backwards: "3 a. m." or "3 hours ante meridiem" meant "three hours before noon", in contrast to the modern meaning "three hours after midnight".

This ancient division has survived in the Liturgy of the Hours: Prime, Terce, Sext, and Nones are named after the first, third, sixth and ninth hours of the day. The Matins, the nocturnal prayer is, according to the Rule of Saint Benedict, to be prayed at the "eighth hour of the night", which corresponds to about 2 am.

The Spanish siesta derives its name from the Latin hora sexta for the sixth hour (noon).

Middle East
In Semitic language cultures, the day traditionally begins at nightfall. This is still important today for the beginning of Shabbat and Islamic holidays.

A division of days has survived from Persian, following the Babylonian beginning of the day: The rōsgār (times of day) are hāwan (morning), uapihwin (afternoon), usērin (evening), ēbsrūsrim (sunset to midnight), and ushahin (midnight to dawn). The last two are collectively called shab (night).

Middle Ages and early modern times
The modern division of the day into twenty-four hours of equal length (Italian hours) first appeared in the 14th century with the invention of the mechanical wheel clock and its widespread use in turret clocks.

With the onset of industrialization, working hours became tied to the clock rather than to daylight.

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Ephraim K. Wilson II

Ephraim King Wilson II (December 22, 1821 – February 24, 1891) the son of Ephraim King Wilson, was a Congressional Representative and a Senator from Maryland.

Biography
Ephraim King Wilson II was born in Snow Hill, Maryland, and attended Union Academy at Snow Hill and Washington Academy in Princess Anne, Maryland. He graduated from Jefferson College in 1840 and taught school for six years. He studied law and was admitted to the bar in 1848 and began a practice in Snow Hill.

He was a member of the State House of Delegates in 1847 and presidential elector on the Democratic ticket in 1852. Because of ill health he abandoned his law practice in 1867 and retired to his farm. In 1868 he was the examiner and treasurer of the school board of Worcester County, Maryland and was elected as a Democrat to the Forty-third Congress from Maryland's 1st congressional district of Maryland in 1873. He declined to be a candidate for re-nomination in 1874. He was a judge of the first judicial circuit of Maryland from 1878 to 1884 and elected as a Democrat in 1884 to the United States Senate, serving from March 4, 1885 until his death in Washington on February 24, 1891.

He was the grandson of American Revolutionary War hero John Gunby and also the adoptive father of future Governor of Maryland, John Walter Smith. He is buried in the churchyard of Makemie Memorial Presbyterian Church in Snow Hill.

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Ephraim King Wilson

Ephraim King Wilson (September 15, 1771 – January 2, 1834) was a Congressional Representative for the State of Maryland.

Wilson was born near Snow Hill, Maryland, on September 15, 1771. Graduated from Princeton College in 1790, studied law and was admitted to the bar in 1792. He opened a practice in Snow Hill and was elected from the eighth district of Maryland to the Twentieth Congress and reelected as a Jacksonian to the Twenty-first Congress. He resumed his law practice in Snow Hill after a failed nomination to the Twenty-second Congress and continued his practice until his death in Snow Hill on January 2, 1834. He is buried in the churchyard of Makemie Memorial Presbyterian Church. He was also the father of Ephraim King Wilson II and William Sydney Wilson. His daughter was the second wife of Maryland Court of Appeals judge Ara Spence.

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Live at Newport (Phil Ochs album)

Live at Newport is a 1996 compilation on Vanguard Records of folk singer Phil Ochs' three appearances at the Newport Folk Festival, in 1963, 1964 and 1966. Presenting twelve tracks that also appear on his first, second, third, fourth and fifth albums, Ochs is at his peak as a folk singer throughout, singing anti-war songs alongside those espousing civil rights and worker's rights, and showcasing some more introspective numbers that would be dramatically rearranged on the fourth and fifth albums.

It was re-released four years later with seven additional tracks recorded in the studio for a Vanguard compilation in 1964, the new disc titled The Early Years.

Track listing
All songs by Phil Ochs.
 * 1) Introduction by Peter Yarrow – 0:56
 * 2) "The Ballad of Medgar Evers" – 2:44
 * 3) "Talking Birmingham Jam" – 3:22
 * 4) "The Power And The Glory" – 2:11
 * 5) "Draft Dodger Rag" – 2:21
 * 6) "I Ain't Marching Anymore" – 2:36
 * 7) "Links on the Chain" – 5:05
 * 8) "Talkin' Vietnam" – 3:42
 * 9) "Cross My Heart" – 4:44
 * 10) "Half a Century High" – 7:06
 * 11) "Is There Anybody Here" – 3:11
 * 12) "The Party" – 8:11
 * 13) "Pleasures of the Harbor" – 6:25

Personnel

 * Phil Ochs - guitar, vocals
 * Mary Katherine Alden - reissue producer

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User:Othello

Hi, I am Othello and I sign my name as Otto: Otto 03:19, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Please don't delete my user page ~ yet ~ I am still breathing as I type. ;)

Thank you

About me
I doubt that I will ever become a wikipedia addict, I simply do not have the time. However, I enjoy making a contribution when I can.

I am especially fussy about the difference between primary and secondary sources, and proper information retrieval. I like the learning process here and the freedom to find different topics that may need a helping hand to do cosmetic editing for clarity and professional tone. I also enjoy rummaging on the web for factual links that may be helpful in an article.

All things being equal, I prefer to notify prior to making editing changes on a user's work. It seems polite and the proper thing to do.

Fact-checking my fact-checking

 * Sylvester Graham Style tweak, fact-checked, added both external links and references.
 * John Money Added external links to this extraordinarily well-researched article. Made stylistic tweaks, as well. Some of the paragraphs were a bit convoluted, after so many contributors added this or that. It happens.
 * Category: Colonial Indian companies very distressing. Added links to British East India Company, then realized that all of the India Companies were missing references! Not my field of expertise, I'm afraid. Doing what I can to help & research this properly. Not a bad experience, overall. It's amazing what one can learn on Wikipedia by chipping in to help a project of this magnitude along!

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Try http://nl.wikipedia.org. Thue | talk 21:52, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Ashmoo

Tightlacing page
Hi, my name's Alice. I edited the corsetry page. I'm sorry everything wasn't referenced right up. I can't pull every reference all in one afternoon. I was hoping to work on the page over the next few days with my friends. I'm a tightlacer of four years now and while I know some of the references can be less direct than others I can support it. I'm working with 5 other induviduals, wearers, makers and historians to try and correct some of the misconceptions about corsetry. Is there anyway I can directly contact you? I'm more than happy to discuss in length with you the changes I have made and why. Thanks for your time.
 * Hi Alice. We can talk on this page if you want, or on the talk page of the article itself if it is about things specific to that article. Sorry if I was a bit heavy handed with the edits but that page already suffers from a lot of unsourced edits by enthusiasts that never come back to provide the sources. If you are new to wikipedia I would strongly encourage you to read WP:Verifiability (especially the Reliable Sources section) to see what sorts of sources are acceptable. As you have indicated there are a lot of myths about corsetry (from both non-corseters and enthusiasts, alike) so we need to insist on correct sources to stop wikipedia contributing to the misinformation. I hope you can understand why I chopped the section that makes medical pronouncements immediately without giving time to provide sources. Anyway, I'm happy to discuss anything about improving the page while abiding by wikipedia rules. Ashmoo (talk) 12:41, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Help Needed
Hi, my name is Michael Parks and I am a student at FIU in Miami, Florida. My current college project involves me, and those who i find to help me, redo the "Bert Oliva" page. I was hoping that you could help because i see that you have helped out with Tony Robbins, and Bert Oliva is like the 'Latin' Tony Robbins...

Well I barely get all these wikipedia rules so if you could somehow help that would be greatly appreciated! The page can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michaelparks/Bert_Oliva

Thank you very much for all of your help! --Michaelparks (talk) 17:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Catalog of Tim Tam vendors?
Are you planning on listing all of the countries in which Tim Tams are sold? I suspect you'll be looking at dozens. If not, why is it relevant that Israel is one of them? — mendel ☎ July 7, 2005 13:37 (UTC)

 * My impression was there are only a small number of countries where they are sold. It seemed as relevant as the paragraph about England and which shops they are sold in. Ashmoo 7 July 2005 23:21 (UTC)

 * Ah, ok. I would've taken out the bit about which shops in the UK had I noticed it then too! It's not as rare as you'd think, though -- Campbell Soup owns Arnotts now, so they're available in at least some of Campbell's markets (at least Canada, the US, and the UK, and I suspect throughout Europe but I can't confirm that.) Apparently the AU-IL trade relationship is remarkable, though, so I'll resign myself to marvelling that people do Tim Tam Slams with things other than liqueurs and port. — mendel ☎ July 8, 2005 01:24 (UTC)

 * I'm surprised that they are available in Canada & the US. If they are widely available I'd support removing the comments about the UK & Israel. Or maybe just making a list of countries where they are sold. The whole article is a bit trivial though, so I'm not going to get too worked up about it. Ashmoo 8 July 2005 01:38 (UTC)

Don't try to PC the Sydney riot article
Its fully documented, no room for PC.

Mount Arapiles
I see uve been editing Mount Arapiles. There is a future version User:Deanos/temp that because this user is away for a long time i will probably update as i know and make the arapiles page, if he doesnt respond ...

Maelgwn 00:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Kangaroo Culling
Hi. I saw that you removed my edit about why activists believe the kangaroo species are not as well protected. I stumbled upon this viewpoint on an old website called "save the kangaroo". I'll be certain to post the link if I come across it again. ,,,,,Ariele 00:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Sarfati
Ash, if you are going to make modifications you may want to take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jonathan_Sarfati/dispute and implement the consensus ones. JoshuaZ 07:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Rove vandal
Hello. I've agreed (at the Rove talk page) to semi-protect the Rove McManus article in future on further instances of vandalism. -- Longhair 07:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of Islam Edit
Re this edit: if so, then shouldn't the whole paragraph that it was included in be removed? Come to think of it, that paragraph and the mention of Gary Miller, even though it claims to be response, is in actuality not a response to any criticism but an ad hominem attack on Christianity - outside the scope of the article. Do you agree? Just as a note to you, your edits to the Criticism of Islam page have in general have been very helpful, and you are right that much of the article is/was nothing more than Islamic apolagetics. Thanks. Yid613 07:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your rationale, I think that I understand it now. Even though Gary Miller's argument is logically fallable, it is still appropriate for inclusion if it is (not surprisingly) what Muslims say, and responses to that still have to be sourced. Thanks. Yid613 20:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Criticism removed from Rasha Khalifa
That was me what wrote that, and it was a fair cop. The problem is that there's a huge literature on the human urge to find pattern, but I couldn't find anything to quote that was either broad enough, or talking about textual analysis specifically. A lot of it is on visual pattern perception -- like the tendency to see faces in things. I'm sure the right quote is out there, if I could just find the right search terms. Zora 04:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Edits to criticism of Islam
Hi Ashmoo, as I have promised earlier, i will not revert your edits before discussing them on the talk page(I may apply minor changes). But please note that your change to "scientific criticism of Islam" was already discussed in the talk page. So, i'll revert that one. Please discuss it on the talk page. Thanks and have nice times.--Aminz 08:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Hey Ashmoo, Could you possible please have a look at my last edit in the talk page of criticism of Islam. Thanks --Aminz 07:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Hey Ashmoo, Could you possible please have a look at my last edit in the talk page of criticism of Islam WHENEVER you are free(i.e. My edits to "You too; A suggestion"). Thanks, --Aminz 09:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Naming Dispute
Hi, I saw your comment in the Iranian people article about a naming dispute. The user in question who springs multiple disputes gives unreasonable excuses for his or her edit, and is not a user who can be compromised with. As a result, unfortunately we had to set up an Rfc for the user here. If you see fit, please leave your comments in that page, in regards the fact the user Aucaman may be difficult to compromise with, or is unreasonable. Thank youZmmz 05:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Naming dispute
I reverted your edit here. You meant to put it in the TALK page, right? AucamanTalk 23:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Forgery
Thanks for your comment. It is really sad to see some people unjustly forge materials. Thanks for the example. I remember once I saw strange commandments attributed to Zionism somewhere; maybe they belonged to the same document. I don't know. I personally don't like the zionism thought since the land belonged to the Jews over 3200 years ago. Their thought is not justified to me simply by the Golden Rule. But this does not in any case justify, and even it is disgusting, that some people accept a forgery just because they like it to be in that way. --Aminz 02:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom Case
Hi, I included a diff to your comments in an ongoing ArbCom case that we unfortunately had to file for Aucaman; so just be aware of that please.Zmmz 23:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of Islam article
Hello,

Please have a look at the criticism of Islam article. An editor has made changes to the article that seems to be contrary to yours. thx. --Aminz 19:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Islamikaze up for deletion
Greetings, you may want to know that the article Islamikaze is up for deletion and vote accordingly. Netscott 09:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Quetsion left in repetitive strain injury edit reason
There is another kind of healing, there's a lot of work by John E. Sarno that looks relevant. Nice to meet you Ashmoo. Nastajus 06:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Caracolla and the crossbow
This is a cavalry tactic where a small group of very heavy cavalry rides in front and others behind. Their aror protects them against enemy fire while they fire themselves.

In Nuremberg armor was tested by squarely shooting at it with a crossbow. if there was just a mark and the armor was not penetrated, it was sold as first class product and the mark was a sign of quality. Few knights were able to afford it.

Crossbows carried by knights were small versions totally out of metall. before metall was avaiable in such amounts the crossbow was to clumsy for riders.

Wandalstouring 02:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Cheers Ashmoo, and sorry for the extra work, I know you have plenty to do. It was just a general call for reality maintenance on the NLP article. The U.S. Empire has manage to ban us. No Dogs or Chinese allowed there any more. All the best. HongKongMasterofSci 05:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

RPG edits and a suggestion
Thanks for your contributions to role-playing games.

I've another null phrase for your list - "despite, or perhaps because of". :-) Percy Snoodle 11:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Revert
Hi Ashmoo. Was there a problem with my recent edits? You reverted two of them. BhaiSaab talk 04:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism
Dude, I think that Hilter guy (or someone else) has vandalised your page, I would revert it but I'm not completely sure, as it is fairly subtle.--Hibernian 01:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Timor
Hi, could you have a read of the East Timor talk page and see if you are motivated to try and find some expression of the fats which Merbabu and I could live with? THank very much if you can, All Best.58.107.10.239 13:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

bullshit.
haha. Sorry about that. I thought you did the opposite of what you really did. For some reason I got it in my head that you removed the example and placed a fact tag there. Yeah. Yeago 05:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The Golem and "It!"
Hello, Ashmoo, thank you for your help on the new "It!" page. I remember seeing "it (!)" at the cinema as a child, and I was mostly intrigued about the information given about the Golem. An online essay on the Golem points out that this film is the only English language film in times past that featured the Golem. I want to provide more information, and would appreciate any help you can continue to give.--Drboisclair 00:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see the image of the Golem It! (1966 film) and emendations I made to the article.--Drboisclair 03:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Orwell at Adnan Oktar
Well Ashmoo, the Orwell-section is gone. As well as the last critical parts of the article. And the Turkish newspaper-items are gone as well (and remember: English-language sources should be provided whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to foreign-language sources (assuming equal quality and reliability ) and who am I to dispute Oktars English-written webpages? With illegal 'original research'?). And because, as I said, I do not want to violate more copyrights as neccesary, my advise is to keep the article this way. I see no better option left.Jeff5102 21:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

A shmoo?
I remember the shmoos. They were characters in Li'l Abner who were over-eager to serve mankind. If you prepared them one way, they tasted like chicken, and another way, they tasted like steak. Goofy little guys, and given Al Capp's mercurial political views, it's hard to know whether they were his way of satirizing capitalism, socialism, or maybe both. Wahkeenah 04:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Your 25 August edit to Watchmen
- I'm just wondering why you reverted the footnote in artwork to Ibid? As stated on the talk page by myself, Talk:Watchmen that the ibid tag didn't make sense with the footnotes around it. You left no edit summary so I have no idea why you changed this? –– Lid(Talk) 15:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your requests for citations on the Alcoholism page
You asked for citations on two topics. The first one was for the idea that many studies have been done demonstrating naltrexone to be of questionable value in supporting abstinance. Since the statement says "many" I assume you want more than one. How many would you like? Here's a quick list:

Renault, P. F. (1978) Treatment of heroin-dependent persons with antagonists: Current status. Bulletin on Narcotics 30: 21-29 ¶ Renault, P. F. (1980) Treatment of heroin dependent persons with antagonists: Current status. In: Naltrexone: Research Monograph 28, Willett, R. E., and Barnett, G., (eds.), Washington, DC: National Institute of Drug Abuse, 11 22.

O'Malley, S.S., Jaffe, A.J., Rode, S., and Rounsaville, B.J. (1996) Experience of a “slip'' among alcoholics treated with Naltrexone or placebo. American Journal of Psychiatry, 153(2): 281-283.

Maxwell, S., and Shinderman, M. S. (1997) Naltrexone in the treatment of dually-diagnosed patients. Journal of Addictive Diseases 16: A27, 125, 1997 ¶ Maxwell, S., and Shinderman M. S. (2000) Use of Naltrexone in the treatment of alcohol use disorders in patients with concomitant severe mental illness. Journal of Addictive Diseases, 19:61-69.

Oslin, D., Liberto, J., O’Brien, C.P., Krois, S., and Norbeck J. (1997) Naltrexone as an adjunct treatment for older patients with alcohol dependence. American Journal of Geriatric Psychiatry 5: 324-332.

Kranzler, H. R., Tennen, H., Penta, C., and Bohn, M. J. (1997). Targeted Naltrexone treatment of early problem drinkers. Addictive Behaviors 22: 431-436. ¶ Kranzler, H. R., Tennen, H., Blomqvist et al.. (2001) Targeted naltrexone treatment for early problem drinkers. Alcohol: Clinical and Experimental Research 25 (Suppl. 5) 144A.

Balldin, J., Berglund, M., Borg, S., Månsson, M., Berndtsen, P., Franck, J., Gustafsson, L., Halldin, J., Hollstedt, C., Nilsson, L-H., and Stolt, G. (1997) A randomized 6 month double-blind placebo-controlled study of Naltrexone and coping skills education programme. Alcohol and Alcoholism 32: 325; ¶ Månsson, M., Balldin, J., Berglund, M., and Borg, S. (1999) Six-month follow-up of interaction effect between Naltrexone and coping skills therapy in outpatient alcoholism treatment. Alcohol and Alcoholism 34: 454; ¶ Månsson, M., Balldin, J., Berglund, M., and Borg, S. (1999) Interaction effect between Naltrexone and coping skills. Treatment and follow-up data. Abstract to “Evidence Based Medicine of Naltrexone in Alcoholism”, satellite symposium to the 7th Congress of the European Society for Biomedical Research on Alcoholism. Barcelona, Spain, June 16-19, 1999.

I could probably provide about a dozen more. How many do you feel is sufficient?

Also, you requested citation for "For those who don't understand the mechanism involved, these results have been assumed to reflect the effectiveness of the two treatments in combination.". I'm not sure what you're asking for for this. A physician's opinion survey performed by someone like Reuters? This information was gathered in an unofficial manner, having discussed the issue with a couple dozen or so medical professionals regarding their professional associate's thoughts on the matter. Do you feel that this needs rephrasing?

I also noticed that you had a problem with "This logic is faulty because it assumes that the two treatments are merely complementary, like two people pushing a car, as opposed to sequential, like turning a doorknob and then pulling on it.", stating that it is "POV demagogic unsourced comment". I'll take these three up with you on the discussion page for Alcoholism.

Robert Rapplean 23:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Milgram experiment
I saw your note on the talk page: just wanted to let you know that I nominated the article for review. Sandy 20:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Nick Vujicic
Hey will you be able to do something about this page.Nick Vujicic. I hope you can do some good edits to. An Australian based person. Thanks. rencin24

"removing the worst of the tourist brochure hyperbole"
If you'll excuse me asking, why only remove the worst? Why not remove it all? (Consider this an invitation, not a criticism.) Palmiro | Talk 23:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Woops, sorry about that. I decided to go ahead and do some trimming myself, but then I had some problems which forced me to log out and log in again before I could make the edit. I seem to have slain two of your edits in the process. Apologies. Palmiro | Talk 23:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries
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Your edit to Assembly language
You removed the following text from Assembly language without leaving any comment about why you did so.

"However, a strong case can be made that any serious programmer should learn at least one assembly language – to understand the fine structure of how computers function, to anticipate how application design choices can improve generated code, and to appreciate all the work high-level languages save."

Why did this need to be removed? Is it wrong? Badly stated? POV? I'm not saying your action was wrong; but this idea is stated in much writing about assembly language, so I'm surprised to see it removed from this article without comment. Kindly explain your position, either here or in talk:Assembly language. Trevor Hanson 04:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Aliens
I was wondering if you could read the "new" plot summary that I added to the discussion we were having. Your insight would be most beneficial as you were the one that brought the war to the talk page first. I don't want to add it to the plot because I don't want to stir the water with Shadow. Thanks. Bignole 14:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Games Workshop criticisms
I noticed you removed "Non-miniature products that Games Workshop sell can often be bought elsewhere at much lower prices - particularly paints (which cost £2.00 for 12 ml) and other craft items." saying that while it may be true it is unsourced. It's easy to verify by looking at the Games Workshop online store for their prices and then comparing these to, I don't know, Valejo or Coat d'Arms prices. I don't see why something like this needs to be directly sourced, else you'd have superscript numbers next to everything in the article. Xzamuel 18:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Natalie Maines
Yep, you're right. Sorry, was attempting to correct other probs in article, seems I accidently caught that one in the loop. Thanks for fixing it. Zue Jay talk 06:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The Way of the Master
If you thought (the articles I merged into) Lee Strobel was bad, take a look at the articles associated with The Way of the Master -- where I'm looking at merging/purging (for unencyclopaedic & poorly cited material) a whole bunch of them. Your input would probably be valuable. HrafnTalkStalk 05:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Land Letter
Ashmoo - You are only one of a few "surviving editors" on the Land Letter Discussion page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Land_letter#No_references_at_sbc.net.3F. Most other editors have turned red. I just added three new questions / comments. Help there would be appreciated. Doug youvan (talk) 23:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Alpha Centauri
Removal of text in Alpha Centauri developing article.

Hi Ashmoo. The text here is both relevant and necessary. and in no way is violating WP:FUTURE "speculations about events thousands of years into the future." The reference for this can be accessed much from the from the book "Centauri Dreams : Imaging and Planning Interstellar Exploration" by Paul Gilster. This has 69 citations that I know of, and You can read the Introduction on line at. pg.6 There is currently investigations and some results have already been applied to future missions. If we were to apply your logic here, then the accepted accredited article on Pluto regarding the Horizons spacecraft to Pluto expected to arrive in 2015 should also be removed for the same future violation  WP:FUTURE. Which way should it be?? As previously stated, This information is critical to the common question about problems of interstellar distances and removes the possible confusion in why we cannot detect planets directly. (Read earlier text on the Talk page.) The text is neither popularist nor unrealistic. It is both relevant and reinforces the text written after it.
 * Please leave it there! (in the meantime, I'll attempt to reword it.) Arianewiki1 (talk) 11:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I have significantly reduced the text size and have removed the conflicts of WP:FUTURE as suggested. It meets the requirements in my previous statements, and adequately covers your suggestion. Does this section of text now meets your expectations satisfactorily? Considering the investigation by scientists, engineers and NASA, I have no doubt such a journey will be undertaken. If it is, this will probably be heralded as one of humanity's greatest achievements - as stated in "Centauri Dreams" Thanks for the contribution here. (at least it is a bit of a comprimise!!) Arianewiki1 (talk) 16:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
An excellent point diff, sometimes we're blind to our biases - I must have read that several times and never picked up on that. Tim Vickers (talk) 16:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Watchmen Links
Thanks for the link, but I still disagree with the suitability of my article being externally linked. For example, in the rule you pointed me to it reads "Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications." The thesis in question was published by Wesleyan University Honors College, and received High Honors for scholarship. The thesis has been, since 1996, one of the only long-format academic examinations of Watchmen, and for as long as I can remember, the link to the thesis (then hosted on another site) has been available on the Watchmen article. I checked the rules on external links, it does not violate any of them and the article contains a level of granular detail that may not be appropriate for the Wikipedia article. Anyone interested in reading Watchmen in more depth would benefit from it. 15:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)SEffron —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seffron (talk • contribs)

Romanesque architecture
I notice from your user page that you like to make things more concise. Your edit to this article, no doubt made with this good intention, created not one but three problems.
 * the sentence that you moved was shoved between two sentences that were closely linked to each other in meaning. This damaged the sense of the section.
 * you left intact a sentence that said "See above for the English meaning" and placed the English meaning below, rather than above.
 * you didn't use "Show preview" option or look at the article after saving, and left the formatting stuffed-up. (by the accisental insertion of a space which "boxed" your moved section)

Amandajm (talk) 05:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this reads rather rudely. I have made some adjustedmments which include your simplifications. Amandajm (talk) 05:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your changes look good to me, sorry for the lapse of proofreading. Ashmoo (talk) 07:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Changing title to Iranian CalendarS
I proposed changing the title of Iranian calendar to "Iranian calendars" (with an -S) in Talk:Iranian_calendar. I saw that you contributed in some discussions, so I thought to ask for your view too. Ariana (talk) 11:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

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Oprah
Hi Ashmoo, It looks like you're doing a grand job on Oprah Winfrey. Let me know if there is something specific you need to help with the reworking of the article. Onwards and upwards! Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 03:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Spanglej. If you were looking for something to do to help, I think adding a 3rd opinion to the various talk discussions which at the moment are just between SamG & I. The 'inspiring prosocial behaviour' & 'Size of article' discussions are the ones that are currently at an impasse. Any edits or comments would be appreciated. Ashmoo (talk) 10:16, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Raëlism
Thanks! Those were some good edits you did. In these days, such are not very common for this article.siNkarma86—Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia undefined 01:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. Articles on religion (especially new religions) tend to require a lot of work, as they tend to receive enthusiastic if not balanced editing from both pro- and anti- editors. Ashmoo (talk) 15:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

You Will Be Blocked If You Type In Fanpage Content
You can be an Oprah fan, but you cannot use Wikipedia as a fanpage. I will report you if you write in biased fanpage content.JoetheMoe25 (talk) 21:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC) I will, however, not erase the edits you made recently to the Oprah page, as they are not fanpage-like content. Saturdayseven, mark will my words, will be blocked if they continue to violate the NPOV policyJoetheMoe25 (talk) 21:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit to ADL article
The controversy surrounding the Intelligence Analysis reports is not mentioned elsewhere on wikipedia, and caused major problems for hundreds of Americans, as well as being denounced by multiple organizations. it's worthy of mention. Repeated censorship of the topic may affect Wikipedia's credibility, please show the respect due to the site as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobroebuck1861 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I do not know what you are talking about. What 'censorship' do you believe I committed? Ashmoo (talk) 07:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Chris Brown (American entertainer) article
I can understand why you removed Michael Jackson in this edit, but Michael Jackson is Brown's biggest musical influence, as the source says, and therefore he should be added back.

In this edit, you say that the source does not say that, but it actually does. It says: "Dressed in a powder blue sweater and bow tie, Brown told King that, following the now infamous incident, it was the media that drove them apart. So, in order to sort things out, Brown and Rihanna spent some time at Diddy’s mansion in Miami. And it was regarding this experience, which Brown alluded to the Montagues and Capulets: 'It was sort of like Romeo and Juliet story, like both sides not wanting us to kind of have contact so we just got away.' " It's not about the pre-assault. And since Brown was criticized for this statement, I believe it belongs in that section.

In this edit, you removed the source because it's a dead link. But you typically aren't supposed to remove sources just because they are dead links, per WP:Dead link. You should at least see if the source has been archived at Internet Archive first. See, the source is here. That said, this piece of information isn't all that important and I don't mind that you removed it from the article.

If you ignore me and don't address my other two points, I'll bring them up on the article talk page and see if any registered editor there will be willing to address these concerns. 23.20.83.143 (talk) 01:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the feedback. Since you did not comment as a logged in user, I will respond here.
 * I took the Michael Jackson mention out, because the section is on his public image and perceptions of him, not on Influences. Also, citing Michael Jackson as an influence is already mentioned 5 times in the article. I don't think we need another.
 * You are correct about the Romeo & Juliet mention. I apologise for misreading that and will correct my error.
 * I'm aware of dead link policy, but I think you are right to remind editors of it. Anyway, I removed it because the line says nothing except the interview took place, which isn't very notable. This is why I didn't bother to case up the dead link.
 * Thanks for bringing up your concerns here. The whole section is a bit hard to read and I decided to be WP:BOLD and hope I didn't antagonise any other editors.
 * Regards, Ashmoo (talk) 11:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking care of my concerns. No, I'm not a registered editor (never been motivated enough to register, even though I've become familiar with how Wikipedia functions). If I was registered, I would have taken care of the issues myself, LOL. I see your point about not including Michael Jackson in that section. I'd thought the same thing about what the focus of that section is, but I felt that it was worth a mention to note that Jackson had an influence on Brown. I felt this without noticing that he is mentioned as an influence at other parts of the article. The section reads fine to me, by the way. But in the lead, for the "In 2009" part that addresses his domestic violence case, you left out the word "he" when you tidied up that line. I'm also not sure about "Billboard Hot 100" being removed from the "I Can Transform Ya" line. I can see that you removed it due to redundancy. And I agree that it is redundant for the other parts. But by the time we get to that particular line, it isn't that redundant. Just saying "peaked at number 20, becoming Brown's eighth Top 20 hit" may leave readers wondering "On what chart?"...unless they click on the reference. 107.20.92.141 (talk) 18:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Shirley Williams Page
Most people in Britain know Shirley Williams best for her stance on Grammar Schools and for the controversy surrounding her own choices for the education of her daughter. Why have you deleted this section from her biography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.154.123 (talk) 21:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I think you are confusing me with another editor. I never deleted the section, I simply renamed it to something more informative than 'Controversy'. That is, it changed the name to what the controversy was about. Wikipedia style discourages 'controversy' sections. If you think the name I used didn't reflect the nature of the controversy, but all means fix it, but called a section just 'Controversy' is poor style. Ashmoo (talk) 10:06, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I must have misinterpreted the editing history, sorry. I will change the para heading as you suggest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.154.123 (talk) 10:41, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Yoga article - Undid revision 556087673 - 1st sentence of lead section
Hi,

I undid your revision to the Yoga article and thought it best to elaborate on some of the reasons.

Version before your edit:

Yoga (Sanskrit: योग) is a commonly known generic term for the physical, mental, and spiritual practices or disciplines which originated in ancient India with a view to attain a state of permanent peace.

Version after your edit:

Yoga (Sanskrit: योग) is the physical, mental, and spiritual practices or disciplines which originated in ancient India with a view to attain a state of permanent peace.

At first glance, your revision appears to be appropriate by removing what may be deemed obvious or unnecessary.

However, the term yoga is used in many contexts and by removing "a commonly known generic term", this seems to have the unintended effect of narrowing the scope of what is covered by the first sentence of the lead section. In various texts and traditions, yoga has different meanings and connotations. Also, by including "a commonly known generic term", this would appear to be more representative of what yoga is now (so balances modern usage and traditional usage of this term).

If you have any suggestions, your input would be greatly appreciated. Should this discussion be moved to the Yoga article's talk page to get consensus?

Thanks.

--Ewj001 (talk) 11:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking to time to explain your reversion. You are correct that Talk:Yoga is the place for this discussion. When I have time I will respond on that page. Ashmoo (talk) 15:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Ashmoo, this is regarding your recent editing out of an Aymard quotation, upon which you ask "does this really add anything?" I think I see your point, Aymard's is about showing the coherence between the old man's character and his oeuvre in the context of the legal proceedings, which does not add factual information regarding the trial, but would probably be worth adding if, as you have suggested, we integrate the Criticism section into the article—it does have biographical value.

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Unfortunately, your edits to that article changed the first sentence into something which is highly stiff and unnatural (barely even a sentence of English). If you don't like what was there before, then you should come up with an acceptable alternative (i.e. something which fixes the article instead of breaking it)... AnonMoos (talk) 03:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Heinz Pagels
Hello, Ashmoo – I'm a little puzzled by your addition of the "Fact" template and your edit summary. Both the accident and his account of his dream are described in the July26, 1988, New York Times article that is linked in the External Links section of this article, and something of a connection is made between them, and the similarity between his manner of death – a fall while mountain climbing – and the dream is fairly obvious. Is that not sufficient to justify the use of the word "similar" in this sentence in the Heinz Pagels section? --

 * Eerily, the accident is disturbingly similar to the imagined fatal fall he described at the end of his first book[citation needed], where he wrote: [block quote]

Is your objection to the adverb "eerily"? I believe this is supported by the sentence in the article in Edge.org, also linked in the External Links section, that introduces an extended quote from Pagels' book in which he describes the dream:

 * I often think about Heinz. And I always come back to the beautiful and eerie passage he wrote to conclude The Cosmic Code:

You will see that this sentence uses the word "eerie". I think this word suggests further that the similarity between the dream and he actual fall was disturbing to Pagels' friend, who wrote this tribute, and who was probably John Brockman, Editor and Publisher of Edge. I believe the sentence in the article that begins "Eerily,..." is a paraphrase of this source.

If I have persuaded you, perhaps you would consider removing the "Fact" template. – Corinne (talk) 02:31, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Corinne, thanks for taking the time to contact me. Indeed, my problem with the text as-is is the connection between that article and his death. It seems like WP:OR to me. The Edge article connects the passage to Heinz himself, and doesn't clearly state it is about his death. And is their any evidence that Heinz's accident was anyway similar to the passage described? Did gravel give way? Did he grab for a shrub? If not, it is just that a climber had a dream about falling and later the climber fell to his death. Specifically regarding the word 'eerily', in the Edge article the word 'eery' seem to be being used to described the cosmic nature of the text, not any relationship to the manner of Heinz's death. I hope I am being clear. Ashmoo (talk) 10:29, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your courteous reply. I wonder if you could clarify your statement just above where you write:

 * Indeed, my problem with the text as-is is the connection between that article and his death.

 * You write "that article". I presume you mean the Edge article because that is the last one I was referring to, but I mentioned two articles. The New York Times article contains the following sentences:

 * Dr. Pagels, a tall, slender man, stepped on a rock that proved unsteady and lost his balance. He fell and slid down a steep slope.

 * We're talking about the similarity between the dream and the actual accident, so the details do not have to be identical, and the similarity was implied in the New York Times article by virtue of its being mentioned at all, and explicitly pointed out in the Edge article. If you consider the implied connection in the New York Times article to be original research, then ignore it; the similarity is pointed out in the Edge article, and one source should be sufficient. – Corinne (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The thing is, neither source notes the similarity between the dream and his death, it is only ever implied. My understanding of WP:V is that we cannot use sources to support things we think they imply, the source must clearly assert it. The Edge article seems even less to make the connection, I believe, between the dream and his accident. If you read the text about the dream, Heinz is using it as a metaphor for the search for knowledge and the Edge article links the dream to his life and worldview, but not to the circumstances of his death. Maybe it is because I am also a climber, but the dream and the real accident do not seem 'eerily' or 'disturbingly' similar. In the dream a handhold gives way, he tries to grab a bush, slides on gravel and falls into an abyss, in real life a rock moved under him and he fell down a steep slope (gravel cannot rest on a steep slope) and landed in a gorge. The only similarity, is that he once had a dream of falling and he fell to his death. Ashmoo (talk) 07:20, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying. You don't think "eerie" to "eerily" is an appropriate paraphrase? – Corinne (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm mostly contesting that the relationship between his dream and his death is remarkable. Neither source states this according to my reading of it. The dream seems to be more about making a connection between his climbing and his love of knowledge. Ashmoo (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand. What do you think about copying this exchange to the talk page of the article? – Corinne (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. Ashmoo (talk) 07:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Lich
I believe that you objected to some bits of the Lich article. I also think it is in need of some work, so if you want to help me prepare another version, I'm toying around with one in my sandbox. Feel free to edit if you wish. Regards, RoninMacbeth (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Bromley Contingent
You reverted an important information from the article, saying it was coined by a journalist. If one word "term/label/tag" bothers you, replace it but do not erase the one who invented this label. This goes against our wiki rules to bring information with sources. Carliertwo (talk) 23:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. No specific word bothers me, it was just that the lede was violating WP:NOTDIC. I reworded it to clarify the text without losing any information, which wasn't my intention. I hope the new version is acceptable to you. Ashmoo (talk) 11:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Blanking sections
How about, if you are going to remove entire sections of an article, you discuss it on talk first... Famartin (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I did discuss it on the talk page. The offending text is also three years without a single cite, so I figure it is probably more feasible for editors to re-include the text when they find the sources. But I am of course happy to discuss any of it. Ashmoo (talk) 11:56, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Henda Ayari
Errors in references.Xx236 (talk) 13:42, 20 December 2017 (UTC) November, not novembre. Still one (red) error.Xx236 (talk) 14:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have probably corrected.Xx236 (talk) 14:24, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm slowly building based on the French version, so it is going to look pretty terrible for the moment. Your help (and patience) is much appreciated. Ashmoo (talk) 11:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Warning. Edit Warring
I hate templates in these circumstances, and you are clearly edit warring at Rupert Sheldrake, Where you currently stand on the 3RR bright line. I shall be restoring the status quo ante in a moment, and advise you not to revert me a fourth time. I also note your egregious attempt to enforce your edit by referring to policy or guideline that does not exist viz WP:KNOWN. So no template, just a nice friendly warning. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 17:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok fine. I was hoping to just make what I thought was a small change using the edit comment to avoid having to go to the trouble of starting a talk page section. 'Is known for' is inherently unverifiable and just muddies the text, in my opinion. It is better to just say what the person has done. I also wouldn't count accusing me of edit warring to be 'friendly'. Your 'advise you not to revert me a fourth time' warning confuses me, since I never reverted you a third time, nor even a second. I will admit I did revert you once, but my second edit was not a revert, but a reworded edit that I hoped would address your concerns with the first edit. I double-checked and am surprised to discover that WP:KNOWN is not a policy. Thank for you pointing that out, and I apologise unreservedly for using that. It wasn't an attempt to game the system in some way, I had somehow got the impression that it was a policy. Maybe from my interpretation of WP:NOTED. I am sorry for this long response, but I do take accusations of edit warring against me very seriously, so I wanted to clear the air. Ashmoo (talk) 08:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It's moot now anyway. I still don't understand why you changed it in the first place. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 11:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * How is it moot? I explained my reasoning in the first two lines of the previous paragraph. Is it unclear? Ashmoo (talk) 12:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It's moot because we are not edit warring any more, and that's good. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 13:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Celine is a businesswoman. With its line of perfumes. She currently is with her new collection of suitcases, wallets and bracelets "Celine Dion collection" with the bugatti corporation ... Apart from that it is her own manager who manages the Las Vegas contracts once her husband died.

She also has the title as a producer. The singer Veronic D'caire has a show thanks to Celine who produced it at the Hotel Ballys in Las Vegas. He is currently on tour as a support act. Many interviews of Veronic she talk about that... Maicool04 (talk) 17:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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LTA on Covington Catholic High School
Hey, your edit here had an edit summary asking what the heck was going on. It's from a long-term vandal account that I call the Cutler vandal. This gives you some background, but his stuff is way beyond most right-wing conspiracy nuts getting into what is he on level of craziness, and absolutely anything current that he can pull into his theory, he edits. It's been going on for years now, despite an edit filter and other efforts, and sorry it went to the Covington article. If you see something even remotely similar, just hit revert and ignore him.  Ravensfire  (talk) 02:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC) Thanks for the info! I'll keep that in mind. Ashmoo (talk) 09:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Scott Aaronson and plagiarism
Scott Aaronson's page has a section named "Love Communications plagiarism" that you named (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scott_Aaronson&diff=prev&oldid=871961151) and I think the naming is harsh and confusing - at first sight it looks like Scott plagiarized the lecture. Maybe "Love Communications dispute"?

It's also a very vague section whose existence is only justified by the "free printer" joke/punch line. Filipdimitrovski (talk) 05:32, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

James Holland
Tom Holland is indeed a historian, so there's no need to remove that description from his brother's article. Unlike, say, being a physician or a lawyer, there is no legal requirement of a degree in the field or the issuance of professional licenses, in order to be called a historian. One simply needs to write about history and be generally regarded as an authority in the field. Wikipedia's own definition of 'historian' is:

"A historian is a person who studies and writes about the past, and is regarded as an authority on it."

Tom Holland has written a great deal on history (books and articles) and is frequently consulted on the topic by other writers and broadcasters. While some people - in particular those who have been unhappy about his historical analysis of the origins of Islam - have sought to dismiss his work by calling him a "writer of popular history", the fact remains that he is a historian. Lilipo25 (talk) 14:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it is important to make a distinction between someone who holds a degree and history, teaches and does peer reviewed research and is cited by other historians. In the same way that Bill Nye isn't a scientist although people look to him as a source of scientific information, we do not refer to him as a scientist. I don't care about people who don't like his opinions on Islam. I am not concerned about people who have motivated opinions, but rather just want to make sure WP doesn't contain misleading statements. That said, I'm not going to spend any more time on this minor quibble. Ashmoo (talk) 11:47, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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Our history our stories,i want to have say what writen about my country..
Hi am from Uganda and i visited the Ugandan Wikipedia page and i wanted to change a few facts about our history. I don't think its right for someone who has never lived in Uganda to write about it and introduce it to the world..of course most were right but some need change becuase they are not right.we want to have say after all its our history...be it good or bad everything should be included... Waligorahim (talk) 09:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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Talk:Onix

There is an XML format used in the world of publishing called ONIX. http://www.editeur.org/onix.html http://xml.coverpages.org/onix.html

I don't think so...
It said the name of the episode, Hooked On Onix (Hooked On Onyx) was a parody of the title of the SatAM episode, Hooked On Sonics. Both of these episodes were taken off the phrase "Hooked On Phonics." I took the part out all together. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by XD375 (talk • contribs).

Rough Wording
Does anyone else have a problem with this sentence in the article?

"Except, if you train him with all your heart, he will pwn all opposition, and use the pokemon attack 'body slam' to flatten his opponents, even Snorlax, the fattest of them all."

It just seems kind of informal, what with the use of the slang term "pwn," as well as "fattest of them all." If the sentence must be kept in the article, at least change 'pwn' to beat, or best, and rephrase "fattest of them all" to "even the giant Snorlax." I would change it myself, but I think there is enough uncertainty to allow others to evaluate it as well and find the best solution.

I find the preceding paragraph about its weaknesses to be acceptable, but this sentence does not seem to be helpful at all. --Empowered 05:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

 * That wasn't a good sentence to begin with; actually, statistical analysis reveals that the only thing about Onix that is battle-worthy is its defense stat; all the other stats are below average. They only improve a good deal with evolution into the superior Steelix. Aside from that, info like that isn't really Wikiworthy info because it's not backed up properly. Thanks for pointing it out. :) Erik the Appreciator 06:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

This article needs a disambiguation page
One for the Pokémon character, the other goes to the ONIX XML format page , 13 November 2006 (UTC) Connectionfailure 14 Nov 2006

Anyone Else Notice...
that it has references to penises all over in the article? it talks about his "rocky member" throughout the whole discription. The Umbrella Corporation 06:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Peruvian Hairless Dog

How many breeds?
AKC and UKC regonize (at least provisionally) the Peruvian Inca Orchid. None of the English-language KCs seem to recognize Peruvian Hairless Dog. According to The New Encyclopedia of the Dog (Fogle), there are separate breeds distinguished primarily by skin color and size:
 * Peruvian Inca Orchid aka Moonflower Dog aka Perro Flora has white or pinkish skin primarily
 * Inca Hairless Dog (Miniature) aka Peruvian Hairless have dark skin and are 9-18 lbs
 * Inca Hairless Dog (Grande) aka Peruvian Hairless Dog, Perro Sin Pelo del Peru is mostly solid colr of either black or dark brown and weighs 26-55 lbs
 * Inca Hairless Dog (Medio) aka Peruvian Hairless Dog aka Perro Sin Pelo del Peruand is 18-26 lbs

The Encyclopedia of Dog Breeds' (Cunliffe) lists
 * Hairless Dog (from Peru) aka Peruvian Harless Dog aka Inca Hairless
 * but notes "another Peruvian breed is the Inca Orchid but some people consider this the same breed..." and "In the Inca Orchid there are two varieties--hairless and coated..."

So I'm separating these breeds into at least into the Peruvian Hairless Dog and the Peruvian Inca Orchid. Elf | Talk 21:54, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Kim Possible
In Kim Possible, the "side kick" Ron Stoppable has a "Naked Mole Rat" which he enters in a dog show under the guise of a "Peruvian Hairless". I'm wondering if this information is usable in this article? Gohst 04:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No, not applicable to this article - maybe in the Kim Possible article.   - Trysha (talk) 10:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Inca Orchid and Peruvian Hairless
Some background about these differences, and why I think it should not be separated.

The Inca Orchid, is an american (US) breed, which derived from Peruvian Hairless dogs, imported from Peru. Some people got these dogs and decided to breed a kind of dog that is not liked in Peru. With fluffy hair and a lot of spots.

Some years later, some Peruvian guys came with an official standard for Peruvian Hairless Dogs, taken from what is mostly liked in Peru. This type of dog is oficially recognized by the FCI.

In the US and England, which are not under FCI rules, no hairless breed is recognized. So you can not show in oficial shows. In the US, there is a class in which you can show your hairless dog. This is called "rare breeds". Which is not an oficially recognised catagory, but semi recognised. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

And even than, the Inca Orchid is not in this list. hi So what's the use of splitting the 2 diversities?

The other subject, about the difference in size: in the oficial standards, there is no difference between the different sizes of dogs. Neither in in posture, nor in name. The name is Peruvian Hairless Dog. Other names are not official. Including the use of "Inca" in the name. These dog where no Inca dogs. They lived in the Indian cultures before the Inca's. Later on the Inca's adopted them. In Peru, nobody calls these dogs Inca dogs. But often they are called Perro Chimu or Perro Mochica, to the cultures that lived before the Inca's.

To me it seems you have to extend your knowledge, before you write about this subject. Wouldn't it be better to wait for a more experienced person to write this article?

News Article for Reference
Here's a news article with a photo of one that looks quite different from the photos in the Wikipedia article -- less of an elegant body shape and the distinctive hairdo.

I wonder if this is the natural type and the show dog type has been specially bred in recent years for elegance?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2559928,00.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.7.19.78 (talk) 06:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

 * This is indeed an example of the "type" hairless dog, instead of the "breed" hairless dog. I know the dog there, we have foto's of him too. Is is wonderfully constructed and has a full set of teeth (which is very rare). But his father is not a hairless dog, but just some coated dog that is not related to hairless dogs.

This type of dog can be encountered a lot in Peru. Especially in the ruins at the coast where there is an obligatory rule that hairless dogs should be kept in the ruins. Problems with this kind of dogs is, that you cannot predict it's decendants. Often this dogs give puppies with very short legs, that look like a dachshund in stead of a sighthound. vanzetti 18:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I think that dog is refered to as a Hairless Khala.. --Ltshears (talk) 19:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Why not seperate.
Why are the Peruvian Hairless and Peruvian Inca Orchid not seperate breeds on Wikipedia? But they are seperate breeds in my dog book --Ltshears (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also i have been told by a Hairless Khala owner that the Perro sin del peru is also a seperate breed.. So they are actually 3 seperate breeds.. The Peruvian Inca Orchid (a US breed), the Inca Hairless Dog and the Perro sin del peru.. I wish someone who had knowledge on these breeds could comment on whether this is true or not. It seems that most online sites lump all 3 together as the same breed. and i have found a few who seperate them, but unsure on what is the correct way. Thanks --Ltshears (talk) 21:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * it seems that until this can be determined i suposse they should stay lumped together. --Ltshears (talk) 22:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Fully-coated picture
It'd be nice to include a picture of the fully-coated version. Tad Lincoln (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Genetic Makeup
a 2:1 hairless to hair ratio would indicate that hairlessness is homozygous lethal and dominant, not recessive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.10.207 (talk) 00:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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