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Guillermo Ungo

Guillermo Manuel Ungo Revelo (September 3, 1931 – February 28, 1991) was a Salvadoran social democratic politician. He was a member of the ruling government junta from 1979 to 1980. Ungo was for a time the unofficial leader of the opposition in his capacity as president of the Revolutionary Democratic Front alliance. He ran in the Salvadoran presidential election of 1972 as the vice presidential running mate of Christian democrat José Napoleón Duarte. Official results showed a victory for the military-backed candidate, Arturo Armando Molina, though the fairness of the election was widely disputed.

He returned from a long exile in November 1987 with the other leading opposition politician, Rubén Zamora, a political ally. Their respective organizations merged in December 1987 into the Democratic Convergence, but this new group did not contribute candidates in the parliamentary elections of 1988.

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Talk:Star Fox (1993 video game)

Was this originally titled Star Force?
In Super Play #04 February 1993 (British gaming magazine), there is this short article: Stop Press! Star Force - The first super FX game? Anybody wants to lay bets that this is the first cartridge chip to incorporate the new Super FX chip? (See pages 48-51). Set for release at the end of January in Japan and to be unveiled three weeks earlier at the Winter CES in Las Vegas, Star Force is a hi-tech 3D polygon shoot-'em-up where the player is in a team of four fighter planes attempting to overthrow the Andorf empire. It certainly sounds like the king of thing Argonaut (developers of the chip) specialise in. It seems the new chip has boosted the cart price to 9,800 Yen (approx £40). Expect it to cost a lot more on import from February though. More next month. --Bergakungen91 (talk) 15:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

"First" three-dimensional Nintendo game?
As far as i know, the first 3D game by Nintendo was X for the Gameboy in 1992, made by Nintendo and Argonaut (the same duo of Star Fox) so... maybe this is wrong? --Hayama Akito (talk) 00:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Series information
Although I don't think there's much harm in mentioning sequels, I think we should remember there's an entire article on the information, found here: Star Fox series. K1Bond007 17:21, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

Unused picture
This picture used to be a part of the article when it was reletively short but may be worth readding when more content is added. I'm not sure where to put it or even if it is worth readding. --TheDotGamer | Talk 20:44, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Gameplay Section and Story?
I added a section about the gameplay of Star Fox compared to other scrolling shooters. I was going to also add in the game play section a blurb about your teammates, but I wasn't sure exactly what to write. Also, a story section would be nice in there. It's been a long time since I've played the game so I don't remember much of details of story other than you're fighting Andross in the Lylat System for some reason. I'll leave it to someone else to figure it out. Peace.

--Shawn "If the Name Don't Rhyme It Ain't Mine" Conn 07:24, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

Game Paths and Difficulty
Does anyone know which paths, if any, are considered to be easier or harder than others? I remember playing Star Fox and getting destroyed if I chose one of the paths, I think. In any case, stating which path is the easiest and harders would be beneficial to readers. --pie4all88 22:03, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * While I'm at it, do we want to list the levels and any characteristics they might have? Would that be overdoing it? --pie4all88 22:04, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * One more thing, what about the black hole and that other hidden region? I distinctly remember finding it (didn't you go through a certain asteroid?), but it's been so long since I've played the game that I don't remember much about it.  Anyways, those secret level(s) and how to access them would be a good addition to the article.  Oh, and isn't it possible to cross game paths by traveling through a wormhole or the black hole level? --pie4all88 22:03, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The game indicated the difficultly levels of the three lines by naming them 'level 1'(white text), 'level 2'(blue text), and 'level 3'(red text). The middle line, level 1(corneria->asteroid->space armada->meteor->venom) was 'easy', the top line, level 2(corneria->sector x->titania->sector y->venom) was 'medium', and the bottom line, level 3(corneria->asteroid->fortuna->sector z->macbeth->venom) was 'hard'.  The 'other hidden region' is the one with the paper airplanes, the slot machine 'boss', and the flying credits with the wierd 'the end' game that seemed to go on forever, right?  I actually remember how to find that one, mostly, let me double check it though... Whoohoo!  Got it!  Level is called 'Out of this dimension'.  To access it, you have to choose the 'level 3', bottom, super hard path.  On the second level, 'asteroid', the second big, grey asteroid you see, the first one that appears on the the right side, start blasting at the asteroid as soon as you can see it.  If you hit it from far enough out, it explodes and drops an egg, which flies far off into the distance and then hatches into some sort of 6-winged, insectile-ish 'bird' thing that flies back and forth a few times, then flies straight down the middle past you.  If you fly *through* it when it moves to fly past you, you are immediately teleported to the VERY hidden level.  It looks like it was intended to be some kind of bonus level that got dropped and super hidden partway through.  Maybe even testing or something.  Note that I've never yet found a way to get out of it.  Once you hit the 'The End' puzzle, winning it just causes it to come back again, scrambled again.  I've 'solved' the puzzle many times in a row without anything different happening.  Only way out I've found is to reset -Graptor

Needs more content about the Argonaut side of the story.
Good start for the StarFox article!

The story about how StarFox came into being is really much more than what we can usually read though.

Since I'm working on a Level Editor for the original SNES StarFox, I've been doing a lot of research about the roots of StarFox.

I will try to officially contribute to the main article soon, but in the mean time, here is little snippet of StarFox history, in my own words.

Argonaut is a company based in England. Their most popular franchise in 1988 was StarGlider 2, one of the earliest 3d filled polygon game that ran on a variety of computers (PC, Mac, Amiga, Atari ST and others). Jez San, founder of the company when he was still a teen, programmed very fast polygon filling routines that enabled the game to display hundreds of polygons even on low-end computers.

Dylan Cuthbert, who joined Argonaut at 16 in 1988 started to work on 3d engine for the GameBoy around 1990. Miyamoto and Nintendo heard about it, and decided to give a contract to Argonaut so that they used the 3d technology in a GameBoy game in collaboration with them.

The resulting game is called "X", and was only released in Japan, it features mostly wireframe 3d graphics and the game is a little confusing at first, but if you look at the credits you'll see big names like Miyamoto and "Hip" Tanaka.

While working on "X", Argonaut convinced Nintendo that they could do 3d filled polygons on the SNES if only they could add a small chip. That would eventually become the FX chip. To realise all this, the whole Argonaut team was required to move to Kyoto Japan for a few years, to work on a 3d game with Miyamoto! Talk about a game programmer's dream come true :)

The first experiments Argonaut did with the FX chip on the SNES were based on StarGlider 2, with a free roaming 3d environment. Miyamoto felt that a forward shooter was a better avenue so that's where the original StarFox started to take the shape we now know.

There are some references to StarGlider 2 in StarFox like "Space Whales" that appear in both games. I would venture to say that StarGlider 2 is StarFox's direct ancestor. Argonaut did mainly the programming stuff, and the Japanese team the art stuff like music, 3d models, characters and scenario. But I'm sure Argonaut had some influence and added many ideas to the artistic part of the game.

There are many other things to document about the original StarFox, like all the tricks and cheats, more info about it's programmers and creators and what happened to them.

Verify what?
Why was that notice put in the article? What needs to be verified? Since it was left by a anonymous person, I think they just put it there for no reason. Thunderbrand 15:47, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Nevermind...I removed it, since the person who put it there is doing it from the Maine State Library, who has vandalized a large amount of articles. Thunderbrand 15:50, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Hidden message?
I'm tempted to remove the "Hidden message" section that was just added, because it seems very POV. Does anyone else think so? Thunderbrand 14:25, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, his statement about "andros" being Greek for "man" checks out, but I think this theory might be a stretch. Unless some other source has it, I'd say delete it. Also, "Andross" being someone's name is not unique; real people have been (and probably currently are) named "Andros". Jaxl | talk 15:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

GameBoy Version?
A long long time ago I read in a magazine about a StarFox for Gameboy, never heard anything of it again, it never got released. Does anybody have details about what happened with tha Gameboy version of StarFox and why it was canceled? -- Grumbel 18:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of anything about it. Thunderbrand 00:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Me neither. What magazine was this?  Rob e  rt  00:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I personally doubt there were plans for a GBA version, due to the system limitations; now if you told me there was a rumoured DS version, I'd believe that. -- VederJuda 00:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm pretty sure that a "Starfox-like" game was produced as a technicial demo for the game boy advance to prove the claim it had the equilivent power to two SuperFX 2 Chips. I'll see if I can dig out a magazine from the time. (Possibly UK's N64 mag...)--81.106.203.120 04:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Star X is a Starfox-like game for the GameBoy Advance. -- Grumbel45 (talk) 13:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Its was the german magazine titled "Video Games" if I remember correctly and it wasn't the GBA, but the original Gameboy. -- Grumbel 03:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

 * People interested in this tech demo should look at http://forums.sonic-cult.org/index.php?showtopic=2727 for more info.

Gabber Foxx 17:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, this one took me a while to figure out, but I think I finally got it. Video Games 7/95, page 33, reports on E3 and the VirtualBoy. A screenshot of Red Alarm is present and labeled with "Red Alarm orientiert sich an Starfox", the article itself also talks about it being similar to Starfox. The article further makes a reference to VirtualBoy modules being larger than GameBoy modules, something I explicitly remember. So looks like I got a whole lot of details completely mixed up, the game existed, but was Red Alarm for the Virtualboy, so neither a Starfox game nor for the GameBoy. The existence of X (1992_video_game) made it seem really plausible for it to be a GameBoy game, but that turned out wrong. The same magazine also reported a few month earlier on the Super FX 2 and the canceled Starfox2, some of that information probably bleed into my memory of the imaginary Starfox for Gameboy as well. -- Grumbel45 (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

starfox D.S.
A Star fox D.S. game would be brilliant, I'd love it, I might have to talk to Nintendo about that(if I can work out how). Kiml
 * Not that this is the place, but a DS Star Fox/Star Wing game is coming out this month. -Unknownwarrior33 19:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Secret level screenshot?
Could someone give me a screenshot of the secret level with the paper airplanes? - DizzyForPigs

ESRB rating
I was under the impression that Star Fox has no rating, as it came out before the ESRB was established. Or has it been re-rated? Thunderbrand 16:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Whoops, I'm not sure where I pulled that out of. I must have mistakened the SF64 rating for SF when I was doing some searching on Google.  Rob ert  16:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

NA release date
I see on IGN and Gamestats that the North American release date for Star Fox is listed as March 1, 1993. Two things need to be emphasized here: First, IGN and Gamestats use the same dataset for their game release dates, so the two of them constitute only a single data source; and second, this data source is HORRIFICALLY inaccurate for older games (it's noticeably better from the late 90s on, but there are still extensive errors). The date of March 1 for Star Fox is particularly untrustworthy since a large majority of early 1990s game release dates in IGN/Gamestats have "01" for day, and in many, many cases month as well. This is a clear indication that an "01" in their dataset is a placeholder for unknown data. The date of March 1, 1993 cannot possibly be relied upon unless another (*different*) source is obtained.

My estimation of March 29, which I believe to be accurate within +/- 1 day, unfortunately comes totally from my own personal memory of lining up for the game on release day. It's a reliable, clear memory, and I never forget a date, but it violates WP:NOR, so I'm not sure whether it'd be best to include my figure of March 29, or simply omit the release day and give the date as March, 1993. But the date of March 1 has to go! Suggestions? --Ecksemmess 23:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Alright then, I think it's best if we keep the exact day off the article altogether. And yes, listing the release date solely from memory is unfortunately violating WP:NOR, so there's nothing we can really do about that. I'll try to find a release date from somewhere that doesn't use the same dataset.  Ro b  ert  23:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Sounds good. I'll look too. --Ecksemmess 23:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that too. That is the thing with older games, though. Thunderbrand 01:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, release dates for older games can be fairly prone to error. There are, however, reliable sources.  GameFAQs is largely accurate, and when their dates are off it's rarely by much.  There's very little "01 filler" there.  There are other good sources as well. --Ecksemmess 05:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Silpheed was its competition
Should be a small mention that Silpheed was the competing game at that time when polygons first hit the scene between Nintendo and Sega. Thanks, CarpD 4/23/07

 * This is pure speculation. --Lashiec 12:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just remembered them coming out the same time and EGM states a comparism. Thanks, CarpD 5/18/07

Name of the game
The name on the box and the title of the article is clearly "StarFox" (one word). However, throughout the article it is spelled "Star Fox" (two words). I was going to edit the article to use StarFox as one word consistently through the article, but wanted to reach consensus first. Thoughts? ++Arx Fortis (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The box art would be the last thing I would look at to determine the official spacing of the name of the game. As for the title of the article, it was at Star Fox (video game) until User:FightingStreet moved it about 2 weeks ago; I'm not sure whether the change in spacing was intentional or accidental. Looking at some search results and a copy of the game's manual, I'd go with "Star Fox". Also, I might consider moving this article back to Star Fox (video game) per WP:DISAMBIG. Anomie⚔ 19:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Star Fox according to Nintendo, I should think that's enough. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 17:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi! Actually, it's StarFox according to more sources, for instance (I didn't research exhaustively but here are three examples):
 * the StarFox Command official site
 * Argonaut Games (who developed the original SNES game)
 * Q-Games (who developed the most recent game, StarFox Command)
 * Megata Sanshiro (talk) 17:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In the game it's spelled as Star Fox. Nintendo's in game spelling, aside from logos, has always been Star Fox. The logo is just styalized. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, have you checked the links I posted? They show the title written in sentences, not as logos. As for the ingame spelling, it seems to refer to the ingame squadron rather than the title of the game or the series. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 19:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In the credits when they say the game's title, its spelled Star Fox. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 07:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * According to your first link the GameCube title should be spelt Star Fox : Assault though (with a space between Fox and the colon), contrary to standard English grammar. This being said, in the introduction it's written STARFOX (not sure if it's meant to be StarFox or Starfox). Perhaps we should try to find all the games' intro and endings and see which spelling is the most used, because it's not just logo vs. "normal" spelling at this point. Both spellings seem to be notable. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 08:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Assuming the U.S. trademark (word mark) NOA registered is a good indicator of the game's title, it is STAR FOX. The capitalization is not considered part of the trademark, so that's up to speculation. See USPTO s/n 74339989, reg # 1883044  Xot (talk) 05:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Article ambuguity
>It was the first three-dimensional Nintendo game

That's quite a vague statement. Faceball 2000, which is arguably 3D, predated StarFox. Was Starfox the first to use polygons, or what exactly was meant by the statement? 204.108.8.5 (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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I propose renaming this article
I think this article should be renamed from "Star Fox (SNES)" to "Star Fox", as per the accepted naming convention. Examples of said convention include: The only thing that makes the Star Fox situation different from these examples is the fact that another game simply entitled "Star Fox" exists. However, that other Star Fox game for the Atari 2600 is nowhere near as noteworthy as the SNES game, and, thus, this page's name shouldn't have to conform to account for the 2600 Star Fox. -Sesu Prime (talk) 01:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The first game in the Zelda series' page is called The Legend of Zelda, not "The Legend of Zelda (NES)", even though a The Legend of Zelda (series) page also exists.
 * Same deal with Metroid; the first game in that series' page is called Metroid, not "Metroid (NES)", even though a Metroid (series) page also exists.
 * Discussion can be found here. -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 07:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Is the Virtual Console information correct?
I've checked various websites and search engines, such as Google, Yahoo!, Destructoid and Kotaku, but I've found nothing on StarWing. Is there any proof that it's been confirmed for Japan? Otherwise it needs to be removed for advertising false information.
 * I removed it. - sesu  PRIME  12:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still there and I tried removing it too...I also got a message saying I did it without citing sources....then why is it there in the first place? 98.213.36.235 (talk) 23:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I owe you an apology. I don't know how, but I accidentally re-added the VC bit after you removed it on June 24. I've just removed it again (I'm sure this time), so the issue is solved. I also removed the warning template I placed on your talk page. - sesu  PRIME  01:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, well thanks for that! Glad to see the whole thing is taken care of for now. 98.213.36.235 (talk) 03:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved (non-admin closure). Tevildo (talk) 23:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Star Fox (1993 video game) → Star Fox (video game) — - When there are only two subjects with the same name, with one's notability dependent on the other [ie, people know it because of the more notable subject), then the more notable subject clearly warrants the main title. We have dabs to put at the top of pages for a reason. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I recently moved it here from Star Fox (SNES), but you're probably right that just (video game) would be better as it's the far better known of the two. I don't think anyone would object to another bold move..?  Mi re ma re   22:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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Gameplay Section...
...needs to have some parts of it rewritten. Why on Earth is it comparing Star Fox with scrolling shooters when it isn't one? If no one fixes it or gives me a reason why it should stay the way it is in 4 days, I'll remove the offending paragraphs. - 190.139.251.90 (talk) 18:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The third Song in the Slot Maschine level.
Hello, i am not really sure but i think the other Melody in the Slot Machine Level comes from the german Folk Song "Hänschen Klein". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4nschen_klein

The melody in this Song comes from a even older German Folk Song who is not so famous.

Listen from 0:42 to 0:54 ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo--WWUjbtU.

I think "Lightly Row" comes later.--91.1.208.30 (talk) 18:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Pilotwings (video game)

Correct title?
* points to title screen* It says Pilotwings, rather than PilotWings. Which capitalization is correct? - Vague | Rant 09:22, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * A quick google check shows Pilotwings is a lot more common than PilotWings. However, the official nintendo.com site has "PilotWings 64" but there's no entry for the SNES Pilotwings. --24.114.252.183 17:00, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The SNES game list on Nintendo.com lists it as Pilotwings. Even the title screen and the box art represent this, as was noted. --TheDotGamer | Talk 19:40, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, can we consider it enough concensus to move the page to Pilotwings? --24.114.252.183 22:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I think so, and I have moved the page (and changed the capitalization in the article and in linked articles). The title screen and Google popularity test are proof enough. --Slowking Man 00:54, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Eh... we should've waited on this, actually, since the "comparison" thing won't work so well if it's strewn across two pages.
 * So, how are we going to deal with this? Head back to PilotWings, slap in the final version of Pilotwings, save, and then immediately edit back in the redirect? That would mean the original and final versions are both on the same page, so we can make the comparison properly.
 * Alternatively, I (or somebody else) could take the code from the version of when the GCotW started for the game, paste it into a new update here which will overwrite everything else in here, save, and then immediately revert, which means the original will be available for the comparison when the final is reached.
 * Thoughts? --Shadow Hog 02:11, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to do all this stuff just for the GCotW page. It's not as if the GCotW is what matters, it's the article that matters. - Vague | Rant 05:38, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about. I think you're saying that part of the article history is at PilotWings. If so, this is incorrect; the page history is all here; it comes along for the move. --Slowking Man 07:26, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Aaah. Can't believe I never knew that... Well, then consider it a moot point, then. --Shadow Hog 21:48, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Images
I don't know which (if any) would be useful in the article, so I'll leave them here for some opinions. - Vague | Rant 12:38, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * Aren't real console screenshots more desirable than emulator screenshots? What with subtle errors, or extra features like high-res mode7 or de-pixellation filters. --24.114.252.183 21:21, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Emulator shots are A-OK, given that almost every other game page on Wikipedia makes use of them. Even ones whose emulation is LADEN with these extra effects, like the PS1 - and they don't bother to turn off the effects to make it look accurate, either. --Shadow Hog 21:35, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a reason for an addition to the guidelines. ;) At least to turn off high-res modes and texture enhancements. --24.114.252.183 23:33, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't have any extra features enabled, as I prefer to play my games the way they were originally. - Vague | Rant 01:40, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you have any of landings, crashes, or maybe an instructor's reaction? How about one from the helicopter level, with some enemy bullets in the air?--24.114.252.183 21:31, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Consistency and bonus
There are a number of consistency issues, especially with capitalization of the events. When someone has a chance, they should look at them. Also, there was some POV in this. The section on the helicopter mission said it was nearly impossible to complete without shooting some of the turrets. I think anyone who's ever played this game knows that it's trivial to dodge them as long as you don't continue on the same vector once they fire — a simple juke will suffice, even. Also the turrets that aren't on screen don't fire at you, so flying low enough and in the right path will also work. Additionally, this article needs a section on the penguin & flying jumper guy bonus stages for landing on the moving platforms. Just some suggestions. Cheers. CryptoDerk 02:41, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Asheron's Call

Darktide's Revolutionary PVP
The quality of game design in regards to PVP was the finest of any morpg ever made. Games like WoW are pale husks compared to the rich, immersive player verses player environment that was Darktide, the FFA server. Dynasties of clans shaped the course of the game. Owning, fighting, controlling, looting. Real politics and communities developed and flourished.

Executives of fortune 500 companies took leave to level their mages, it was simply better than money. The adrenaline produced by a battle with actual stakes is incomparable with anything else. The rush was like a drug, an experience not found in anything controlled, lame, or watered down.

Those rare few who were born on Darktide, can dominate any mmorpg with ease. Often they have refined the art of killing, like a forgotten science. A DT vet can wipe a world raid event single-handedly, and control an entire zone by slaughtering everyone who moves through a pinch point.

The devs of Asheron's call could have been wealthy beyond their wildest recollections, if they had but not killed the golden goose. Sadly, AC2 was a wow-like clone, killing off the franchise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.243.164 (talk) 07:27, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Early development history - Jon Monsarrat's role?
I came to this article in an attempt to find a web page and was surprised when it was not listed here: http://www.mit.edu/~jonmon/Business/Turbine/. It seems to me this should be included in the history section, but I don't really know how it ties into the grand timeline of Asheron's Call, so I figured I would leave it here. Actually, it's not even included in the Turbine, Inc. wiki page, and according to Jon's website it seems he had a lot to do with the founding of the company as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.129.19 (talk) 21:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Story Section
I just wanted to give a bit more detail on my changes to the story section. It was almost entirely incorrect, so I completely replaced it with my own text.

The story section is pretty long, but I did try to keep it to a minimum of the chain of events which led up to the game's story at release. Humans arrived on Dereth, and found it in the state it was in, because of Asheron/The Sundering (more or less). Asheron cast the sundering because of the Olthoi. The Olthoi were their because of the exploration. The exploration was possible because of BZ. It could probably be shortened a lot, but I did my best to limit it to only that one chain of events. I did not go into the background of Ispar, or of any of the other Empyrean, or really even the Yalaini, and so on. --An Adventurer (talk) 17:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

AC RAP
The fact that the famous "AC Rap" is not linked is a real shame. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKjNQb7bvMI

Vandalism
There was some spam that I deleted. I hope there are no repeat incidents. The Clinger (talk) 00:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
I'm not exactly sure of the reasoning for the cleaup tag, but in either case, I will be reviewing and enriching the AC content over the coming weeks. I loved this silly game back in the pre-college days when I still had time to play. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Benplowman (talk • contribs).
 * I think a good place to start would be removing the original creature section, it is just a mess. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.69.190.75 (talk • contribs).
 * *grin* after it was decided to put it here, now we should remove it again? that sounds not really logical, it perhpas could use some work or it's seperate page, but beyond that we should not remove it.
 * It looks like the creature articles have all been completely deleted. Any information on this?  I don't consider these articles "indiscriminate collections of information on MMOs".  Many of the Asheron's Call races are quite unique and original fictional creations, with pages and pages of data built up around them over the years.  They deserve a place here as much as other completely synthetic races which happen to be more widely known, such as Middle Earth's Valar. --Aaryna 17:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

expansion
this is the 3rd time someone added some info saying there will be an expansion, if you read a little better you will notice the info is already there. so unless you want to make a section of it then it isn't needed to keep adding that info. Boneyard 18:11, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

expansion
A Second Expansion, Throne of Destiny, has been released July 18th. Could someone care to put up pertinent information about it? --Shultz 05:46, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * there is a line with info on the expansion, looking at the article on a whole it doesn't make much sense to write much more about on this page. Boneyard 07:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

pyreal
is there anywhere to check out the vfd debate for the pyreal article? Boneyard 07:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * See Votes for deletion/Pyreal -- Mikeblas 19:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

chorizite
My Chorizite article is still separated on its own, and apparently forgotten about. Any objections to merging it into the AC Terms section, since Pyreal is there too? --Aaryna 17:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

olthoi merge, well any ac creature merge
a merge of olthoi into the article is fine with me, perhaps create a section with well known ac creatures as ac is filled with sort of unique creatures: olthoi, drudge, ... Boneyard 11:47, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * i noticed there are articles on hollow minion, virindi, olthoi and a small mentioning of drudge. so if we would merge olthoi into this article the same should be done for the other creature i think. that makes me feel we better leave them alone or make asheron's call creatures article. Boneyard 15:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * so far i haven't seen anyone agreeing on the merge, so i feel that it is justified to remove the merge tags soon and keep it like it is now. Boneyard 13:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it makes the most sense to add a creatures section to the AC page and merge the info from the existing pages into it. Alex 07:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree that an AC creatures section should be added to this page, replacing the individual pages out there.Ephemeral life 15:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see anyone recently disagreeing with the idea of merging, so I'm going to go ahead and do that. Benplowman17:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added most of the new creatures with as many descriptions as I could. Couldn't find descriptions for them all, but i'm sure if someone wants to sift through a few of the texts on random websites, you could come up with a nice description. I don't currently play AC, but it has been my favorite game, hands-down since 2000! I still say that having played WoW and a handful of other MMORPGs. User:WaywardMitchers 03:37, 26 April, 2006 (UTC)

history
It might be pertinent to add the story of the game as it has evolved since the birth of the game itself. It would make sense to add this to the Story heading. I'd suggest using maggiethejackcat as a reference, I'm sure she wouldn't mind allowing the usage of images from her site, as long as they fufill any other copyright issues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.229.73.149 (talk • contribs).

I highly recommend not using Maggie the Jackcat's site as a reference. Her site is notoriously unreliable as a source of facts, since her information usually comes from the first reports players send to her when new content opens and she never returns to those pages to edit them when things are found to be wrong. For older lore, Crossroads of Dereth is a good site, but newer lore is very difficult to find. -- Dyinath 18:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Original Creatures
well they got merged to here now and have been expanded a lot, both in information and in number, also with not that original creatures in my opinion. they have become a large portion on the ac article and that seems kinda odd. wouldn't a seperate article be better, certainly for the less interesting ones? perhaps listing a few of the typical ones and further pointing to a seperate article? Boneyard 08:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

i agree the orginal creature section "clutters" the article. there is more on this then the actual game. Evil Vin 10:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

A few additions, corrections, (hopeful) improvements
Did what I could to fill in some blanks, might come back later to fill in some more neglected parts (for example, Shadow section might be quite a feat to get all of the relevant information into; Tumeroks needs info on Hea/Aun split, etc.)

Wish I could fill in more but I'm pretty sure the game lore is really messed up at the moment with regard to Tursh/Sezzherei/Grael and whatever they're trying to get across there. I can't make heads or tails of what's going on there, especially when it comes to Margul existing in the "days of Grael" and figuring out what relation the Mukkir have to ANYTHING (Mukkir:Ruschk::Gurog:Mattekar? who knows...)

24.3.5.138 06:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

mmorpgchart as source
i find this a tricky choice, even mmorpgchart themselves rate their ac numbers as very uncertain. is it enough of a trust source like this? i think everyone can agree the population has gone down since it's peak, but to use numbers that simply aren't official i feel isn't the thing to do. Boneyard 07:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

move to gaming wiki
i removed the tag because i don't feel the game includes that much info on playing the game. it is more about the story behind it and how the game developed in the years it has been running. perhaps the game terms are a little too much, but that also is allowable enough for this encyclopedia in my opinion. Boneyard 07:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Glaring Errors
The story portion of this needs major revisions...mainly because it's incorrect. I'll see what I can think up to fix it, but as it is now it's only partially correct. As far as the islands...is it necessary to have that much information solely about Vissidal? The rest of the islands need to be added as well. For some reason it's not coming to me how exactly to add them though. All the creatures in the list link to this entry, but the creatures section was removed so now it's just dead there.

 * yeah the island section is too large in comparison with the rest, i guess it should be taken out, specially the create list. i remain with the idea we should make seperate articles for things like asheron's call creatures, asheron's call landmasses (or such). that way the main article remains pretty readable. still in those sections we don't need deep game info like that list of creates. thats more for a gaming site. Boneyard 08:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems odd to me that there is very little here on the gameplay mechanics (for example, the lack of skill trees, the magic system, the monarchy system), which are a large part of what separates AC from all the other MMOs out there.

The islands section is a huge mess. There is way too much information on Vissidal (already mentioned above), there is a section on the Deep, which isn't an island, and the section on the Dark Isle's monster spawns is incorrect (not to mention, it doesn't keep within the descriptive style of the other island entries). In my opinion, there should also be a descriptive entry on Dereth itself, since it (Osteth and the Direlands) have their own flavor, too. Dyinath 18:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I updated the story section. I tried to include a few sources, but I do not edit wikipedia so I don't know what exactly is a good source when it comes to video games. When it comes to the story of AC, the only real sources are official Turbine/MS sources or the fan sites. Reviews and such don't really touch on it, and never in any detail if they do. --An Adventurer (talk) 20:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Release Date
I've edited the release date to reflect November 2nd, 1999 which is closer to the commercial release date than the previous date. Sentinels and Advocates, player based guides before the program was disbanded, had characters before this date but paying customers weren't on the servers til the 2nd so that should be the release date. http://forums.ac.turbine.com/showthread.php?t=15791 http://www.activewin.com/news/1999/oct_3.shtml http://www.rsxdesign.net/project/9904.html   Leftus 17:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Servers
Perhaps the servers should be listed with the newer ones dates of launch included and darktide pvp. For example: Harvestgain Leafcull Verdantine (launched in 200x) Darktide (player vs player only) etc etc Eddiecougar182 (talk) 05:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Article cleanup
Cleaned out a LOT of game guide material in this article. It still needs more cleaning and references. DP 76764 (Talk) 01:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Asheron's Call Community Wiki
In response to this revert: Under the WP:ELYES Guidelines, it suggests that links are appropriate for "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail or other reasons." I would like to add a link to Asheron's Call Community Wiki. The game Asheron's Call is updated monthly and for the last few years this is the only site to document these content patches. The wiki contains 24,000 AC related articles with primary source documentation including archives of material no longer available from the period when the AC franchise was owned by Microsoft/The Zone. It could be argued that this site is a simple fansite and is therefore inappropriate (WP:VG/EL) however I would like to reach consensus on the value of this site in particular and therefore add it (WP:VG/EL). In summary, many people interested in the Asheron's Call article here on Wikipedia would also find a link to this wiki useful. Additionally, though not a reason by itself, this sort of exception is widely practiced (e.g., WoW, EQII, Guildwars, Ultima Online, etc). --Tlosk (talk) 16:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Size - 24,000 articles
 * Verifiability - Primary sources cited and in game screen shots documenting statistics etc.
 * Merged material - Much of the "game guide" material removed from this Wikipedia article has been merged into this wiki.
 * Copyrighted material - Material that cannot be incorporated here is available.
 * Currency - Active site with recent Asheron's Call material not available anywhere else.

 * Sounds reasonable. My removal was a (perhaps hasty) reaction based on WP:ELNO: open wiki's generally not acceptable. Support adding this link now.  DP 76764  (Talk) 17:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. The link seems to be a reasonable exception to the "no open wiki linking" rule.  Narthring (talk  • contribs) 20:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I support keeping the link to ac.wikkii.net. --An Adventurer (talk) 17:19, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

 * This link was removed by Nikkimaria in Jan 2013 and as this link has been shown valuable through consensus I have restored it again. Tlosk (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Add that the game is still being played in emulation?
The game is dead. That is clear. However the game is still being played by most of the players who were left at the end of retail. Myself included. Should we add the fact that third parties are now developing an emulation server that is also capable of doing what the dev's themselves hoped to accomplish, which was to have home servers of this game? EnveeNV (talk) 08:07, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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Leader Drug Stores

Leader Drug Stores is a network of over 3,100 independently owned and operated pharmacies. It has a business affiliation with Cardinal Health, which sponsors the network and owns the name "Leader Drug Stores". Cardinal Health also owns the franchise chain The Medicine Shoppe. It operates like a retailers' cooperative, though it is not owned by its members.

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You are either with us, or against us

In political communication, the phrase "you are either with us, or against us" and similar variations are used to generate polarisation and reject non-partisanship. The implied consequence of not joining the partisan effort of the speaker is to be deemed an enemy. A contemporary example is the statement of former US President George W. Bush, who declared at the launch of his anti-terrorism campaign, "Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

Background
The statement generally is a descriptive statement identifying the beliefs of the speakers, and thus state a basic assumption, not a logical conclusion. It may also be interpreted as a speech act. Sometimes it is interpreted as a splitting or a false dilemma, which is an informal fallacy.

Some see the statement as a way of persuading others to choose sides in a conflict which does not allow the position of neutrality. Only when there are no alternatives like a middle ground does the phrase hold validity as a logical conclusion. The phrases are a form of argumentation.

Ancient examples

 * From the Book of Joshua (Chap. 5:13): "It happened, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man stood in front of him with his sword drawn in his hand. Joshua went to him, and said to him, 'Are you for us, or for our adversaries?
 * According to The Constitution of Athens by Aristotle, "since [ Solon] saw the state often engaged in internal disputes, while many of the citizens from sheer indifference accepted whatever might turn up, he made a law with express reference to such persons, enacting that any one who, in a time [of] civil factions, did not take up arms with either party, should lose his rights as a citizen and cease to have any part in the state."
 * The Synoptic Gospels attribute the following quote to Jesus: "Whoever is not with Me is against Me, and whoever does not gather with Me scatters" (Matthew 12:30), as well as the converse statement, "Whoever is not against us is for us" (Luke 9:50; Mark 9:40).
 * Marcus Tullius Cicero, in an oration before Julius Caesar in 46 BC, published as Pro Ligario, made the following distinction: "For we heard you say that we looked upon all as enemies that were not with us; but that you looked upon all as friends that were not against you."

20th century examples

 * Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, in a speech discussing the Chief Committee for Political Education, told the assembled delegates that "It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."
 * George Orwell wrote in his 1942 essay "Pacifism and the War", "If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security."
 * Benito Mussolini declared in speeches across fascist Italy: "O con noi o contro di noi"—You're either with us or against us.
 * János Kádár instead used the non-polarising converse, in an effort to unite Hungary after the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. He announced in December 1961, "those who are not against us are with us."

21st century examples

 * Hillary Clinton said on 13 September 2001: "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
 * President George W. Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress on 20 September 2001 said, "Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
 * Vic Toews, Canadian Public Safety Minister, said on 13 February 2012: "... either stand with us or with the child pornographers" in response to questions from Quebec MP Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis) regarding extensive Privacy Commission concerns about 'warrant-less access' to all Canadian Internet and Cell phone accounts under the proposed legislation contained in bill C-30 "Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act" introduced the following day (14 February 2012) in the House of Commons of Canada.
 * Sarah Palin, in a speech criticizing Republicans who didn't support Donald Trump's 2016 election campaign, said: "You're either with us or you're against us. That gang, they call themselves Never hashtag, whatever, I just call 'em Republicans Against Trump, or RAT for short..."
 * Pennsylvania House Rep. Jordan A. Harris, on 21 June 2020, said, "[R]acism is not a gray area for me. You are either with us or against us."

Fictional examples

 * Towards the end of Joseph Heller's Catch-22, Colonels Korn and Cathcart equate fighting for their country with fighting for the benefit of the two of them. Korn tells the protagonist Yossarian: "You're either for us or against your country. It's as simple as that." A reviewer of Catch-22 found this "flawless" logical indulgence by the commanding colonels to be comparable to Heller's parody of Charles Erwin Wilson's statement, often paraphrased as, "What's good for General Motors is good for the country".
 * In the film Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, Anakin Skywalker tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that "If you are not with me, then you are my enemy", which has been interpreted as a reference to the statement on terrorism made by President Bush.
 * Russell Hantz frequently uses a variation of the line, "You're either with me or against me," as an intimidation tactic towards his competition and fellow allies in Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains, the twentieth edition of the show. Sandra Diaz-Twine bluntly replies, "I'm against you, Russell."
 * In the episode Point of No Return (season 3 episode 9), of J. Michael Straczynski's science fiction series Babylon 5, the leader (played by Vaughn Armstrong) of the Night Watch, a fascist organisation that attempts to take control of station security after the declaration of martial law, says "And we need to know where everybody stands. Are you with us or against us?"

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Christian Poulsen

Christian Bjørnshøj Poulsen (born 28 February 1980) is a Danish former footballer. After starting his career with Holbæk, he played for a number of European clubs as a defensive midfielder, winning the Danish Superliga championship with F.C. Copenhagen, the German DFB-Ligapokal trophy with FC Schalke 04, and the European UEFA Cup with Spanish team Sevilla FC, later also playing for Italian Serie A club Juventus, as well as Premier League side Liverpool, French side Evian, and Dutch side Ajax.

He has been a regular member of the Denmark national football team since his debut in 2001, and has played 92 matches, scoring six goals for his country. He represented Denmark at the 2002 FIFA World Cup, 2010 FIFA World Cup and 2004 European Championship international tournaments. Poulsen was named 2001 Danish under-21 Player of the Year, and won the 2005 and 2006 Danish Player of the Year awards; the first to win two years in a row.

Asnæs and Holbæk
Born in Asnæs, Poulsen started playing in local club Asnæs BK. However, he moved to amateur club Holbæk at the age of 15, where he made his senior debut at 17 years of age, captaining the side on several occasions. He was called up for the Danish under-19 football team in September 1998, and played four games for the team.

Copenhagen
In September 2000, he underwent a trial period for F.C. Copenhagen in the top-flight Danish Superliga championship, and signed his first professional contract with the club within a week. Poulsen took a commanding role in the attacking midfield of FCK, following the heart problems of former Norwegian international midfielder Ståle Solbakken in March 2001. Poulsen quickly made his mark on the league, and helped his club win the 2000–01 Superliga championship. He scored the 1–0 goal in the 3–1 win against second-placed Brøndby IF, which secured the league title.

Following a good start of the 2001–02 Superliga season, Poulsen was called up for the Denmark national football team by national manager Morten Olsen. He got his debut when he started the 1–1 draw with the Netherlands on 10 November 2001. FCK ended runners-up in the 2001–02 Superliga, and Poulsen was named 2002 FCK Player of the Year. He was called up for the Danish squad for the 2002 FIFA World Cup, where he was initially used as a substitute. He took part in all three group stage matches, gradually getting more playing time in each game. Following two yellow cards in the group stage, he was suspended when Denmark were eliminated in the knock-out phase by England. Christian Poulsen took with FC Copenhagen in the 2001-02 season as champions of the Champions League qualification and withdrew in there against Lazio. They continued to play due to the departure of the UEFA Cup and retired from there against Borussia Dortmund. Eben That club, which later should reach the final of the competition said, expressed a short time later, the interest in Poulsen. After a change due to the release requirements of the Copenhagen failed, Poulsen decided for a change to arch-rivals Schalke 04

Schalke 04
After the 2002 World Cup, Poulsen made a €7M move, the most expensive sale by a Danish club at the time, to German club Schalke 04, where he looked to take over the position as holding midfielder left by veteran Czech international Jiří Němec. His start in Schalke was made easier by the fact that his teammate in the Denmark national team, Ebbe Sand, also played for the club. Through his time at Schalke, Poulsen played a number of matches at right back, but eventually secured himself a spot in the central midfield for both club and country.

Poulsen was selected for the Danish squad at the 2004 European Championship. He played three of Denmark's four games, before Denmark was eliminated from the tournament. With Schalke, Poulsen won the 2005 DFB Ligapokal cup trophy. His displays for Schalke and the Denmark national team earned him the 2005 Danish Player of the Year award. After four seasons with the club, which included well over 100 appearances, his contract expired in June 2006. Long-lasting rumours linked him to several teams, including Italian clubs Inter Milan and A.C. Milan.

Sevilla
He eventually signed a contract with defending UEFA Cup champions Sevilla FC of Spain, the team that knocked Schalke out of the 2005–06 UEFA Cup tournament. In his debut match for the club, Poulsen helped Sevilla win the European Super Cup trophy, with a 3–0 victory against FC Barcelona on 25 August. Following his first month at the club, he was named the best new signing in Spain by Spanish sports daily Marca. He became the first player to be named Danish Player of the Year for two consecutive years, when he also won the 2006 award. He helped Sevilla defend the UEFA Cup title, winning the 2006–07 edition of the tournament and also won the Spanish Cup that year.

Juventus
On 14 July 2008, Juventus officially announced the acquisition of Poulsen from Sevilla FC. The transfer fee was €9.75M, with a four-year contract worth three million euros a year for Poulsen. On 8 February, Poulsen scored his first goal for Juventus against Catania in the 90th minute, earning a win for his team after the game was heading for a 1–1 draw.

Liverpool
On 12 August 2010, Liverpool announced the signing of Poulsen on a three-year contract, for a fee of £4.5m. He was handed the number 28 shirt, previously worn by Damien Plessis. On 19 August 2010, Poulsen made his debut against Turkish team Trabzonspor in the Europa League, in a match won by Liverpool 1–0, in which he had a goal disallowed. Poulsen made his league debut for Liverpool in a 1–0 win against West Bromwich Albion on 29 August 2010. He did not, however, endear himself to the Liverpool fans who often found his performances on the pitch lacking in skill. On 20 November, he produced probably his best display in the centre of Liverpool's midfield against West Ham at Anfield, a game which the home side won 3–0.

Following the sacking of Roy Hodgson, and the appointment of new manager Kenny Dalglish, the winds changed not only for Liverpool but also for Poulsen. Dalglish praised Poulsen's performances in the 1–2 defeat by Blackpool on 16 January 2011, the 3–0 win against Wolverhampton on 22 January 2011 as well as the 1–0 win against Fulham on 26 January 2011. Relatively soon after that, it did become clear that Dalglish preferred the young emerging midfielder Jay Spearing to Poulsen.

Évian
On 30 August 2011, Liverpool agreed an undisclosed fee with Évian for Poulsen's transfer to the Ligue 1 side.

On 31 August 2011, the French side announced that Poulsen had signed a one-year deal. After his transfer in France, he became the second player (out of four players) in history after Florin Răducioiu to play in all five of the big leagues (Germany, Spain, Italy, England and France).

Ajax
On 22 August 2012, Poulsen signed a contract with Dutch club Ajax binding him with the club for two seasons until 30 June 2014, coming over as a free transfer from Évian Thonon Gaillard. Ajax acquired the defensive midfielder as a replacement for recently departed Vurnon Anita. During his first season in Amsterdam, Poulsen was a regular in the starting lineup, helping his side to secure their third consecutive national championship, and Christian's first in twelve years.

Return to Copenhagen
On 30 September 2014, Poulsen signed a one-year contract with the Danish Club F.C. Copenhagen thus reuniting him with his former club, 12 years after he left them.

On 14 May 2015, he set up the winning goal for Brandur Olsen in the Danish cup final as Copenhagen went on to beat F.C. Vestsjælland 3-2 after extra-time. He played his last competitive match in his career against Hobro on 7 June 2015.

Style of play
An aggressive, hard-working, and tactically versatile defensive midfielder, with good technique, Poulsen is known in particular for his tenacious tackling. Although he usually plays in a holding midfield role, he is also capable of being deployed in more advanced midfield positions.

Totti "spitting incident"
In the group stage of the 2004 European Championship, following the 0–0 draw with Italy, Danish television showed Poulsen being spat on by Italian playmaker Francesco Totti. Totti received a three-match ban and gave a "full public apology", after failing in his claim that he was provoked by Poulsen. Italy were subsequently eliminated from the tournament in the group stage.

Carlo Ancelotti rant
In the 2005–06 Champions League tournament, Poulsen's club Schalke played two games against Italian team A.C. Milan. Following their first match, a 2–2 draw, Poulsen was described as "a coward" by Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti, alleging that Poulsen physically kicked Milan's Brazilian playmaker Kaká. In the second match Schalke lost 2–3, despite a goal by Poulsen. Following the final whistle, Italian player Gennaro Gattuso steered towards Poulsen and confronted him. Gattuso made gloating taunts, while Poulsen gave him a sarcastic thumbs up, afterwards declaring he found Gattuso childish and hoped he felt embarrassed for himself.

Rosenberg-Poulsen incident
In the 89th minute of the UEFA Euro 2008 qualifier against Sweden, Sweden's Markus Rosenberg struck Poulsen, who in turn punched Rosenberg. After conferring with his assistant referee, referee Fandel sent off Poulsen and awarded Sweden a penalty, which was never taken as a fan ran onto the pitch trying to punch the referee. The Danish player Michael Gravgaard grabbed a hold of the fan but the referee abandoned the game.

In the aftermath of the game, an angry fan attempted to press charges against Poulsen for punching Rosenberg. A member of the Copenhagen metropolitan police called for a month-long jail sentence, and Danish Minister of Justice Lene Espersen called for Poulsen's exclusion from the national team.

The prosecution service rejected the case on 18 June, and national team coach Morten Olsen re-called Poulsen for the national team.

See UEFA Euro 2008 qualifier fan attack for a list of other incidents in the controversial match between Sweden and Denmark.

Coaching career
In the summer 2016, Poulsen and former Danish international player, Per Krøldrup, was hired as special coaches at B.93. Beside that, Poulsen was also studying a master in business coaching.

In September 2018, Poulsen returned to Ajax in a kind of coach internship, where he was going to follow the coaching staff club's first team for the rest of the year. On 1 July 2019 Poulsen joined Ajax as assistant manager under manager Erik ten Hag. He left the club on 1 July 2021.

On 25 September 2021, Poulsen was presented as the new assistant coach of the Denmark national team under Kasper Hjulmand.

Honours
Copenhagen
 * Danish Superliga: 2000–01
 * Danish Cup: 2014–15

Schalke 04
 * DFB Ligapokal: 2005
 * UEFA Intertoto Cup: 2004

Sevilla
 * Copa del Rey: 2006–07
 * Supercopa de España: 2007
 * UEFA Cup: 2006–07
 * UEFA Super Cup: 2006

Ajax
 * Eredivisie: 2012–13, 2013–14
 * Johan Cruijff Shield: 2013

Individual
 * Danish Young Player of the Year: 2001
 * Danish Football Player of the Year: 2005, 2006

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Sluch

Sluch may refer to the following rivers:

 * Sluch (Belarus), a tributary of the Pripyat in Belarus
 * Sluch (Ukraine), a tributary of the Horyn in Ukraine
 * 251001 Sluch, a minor planet

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Martin Jørgensen

Lars Martin Jørgensen (born 6 October 1975) is a Danish former professional footballer who currently works as a scout for AGF. Starting his career as a full-back, he eventually spent most of it in midfield. In his 20-year playing career, he played for AGF in his homeland, as well as Italian clubs Udinese and Fiorentina.

Jørgensen amassed 102 caps and scored 12 goals for the Denmark national team. He has represented Denmark at three FIFA World Cups and two European Championships. After Denmark's elimination from the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa, he announced his international retirement. His farewell match was played in November 2010. However, Jørgensen returned to play a Euro 2012 qualifier against Norway on 6 September 2011.

He is the older brother of retired Danish football player Mads Jørgensen.

Club career
Born in Ryomgård on Djursland, he began his club career at the local club IF Midtdjurs. Jørgensen moved to AGF as a youngster in 1989, where his footballing talent was recognized as he was chosen to represent various Danish youth national teams from 1991 onward. He made his senior debut for AGF on 8 May 1994 in a match against Silkeborg IF, and was a part of the team that won the 1996 Danish Cup trophy.

Jørgensen's contract with AGF had a release clause, permitting him to leave the club on a free transfer in April 1997. He moved to Italy to play alongside fellow Dane Thomas Helveg at Udinese in Serie A. He helped Udinese finish third in the 1997–98 season.

After spending seven years at Udinese, Jørgensen moved to league rivals Fiorentina in August 2004, when the club bought half of Jørgensen's transfer fee rights. He proved to be a key asset to Fiorentina's offensive play and became beloved by the fans. As an attacking midfielder, he played close to the two strikers and during the 2007–08 season he also served as a right back for the majority of the season. He had important contributions for Fiorentina during that season, scoring two goals in the UEFA Cup fixture against IF Elfsborg, and being a key part of the 3–2 win over Juventus on 2 March 2008.

Jørgensen's 2008–09 season was plagued by an early onset of muscular injuries that left him out of the team until February 2009. He stated that once his time in Florence finished he would like to return to Aarhus before retiring. Despite a difficult season, he signed a contract extension to remain part of Fiorentina until June 2010. Jørgensen scored a crucial 90th-minute equalizer against Lecce which secured Fiorentina the fourth and final Champions League slot.

On 9 December 2009, Jørgensen scored the first goal in Fiorentina's 2–1 win over Liverpool at Anfield, his first career goal in the Champions League, after receiving a through-pass from Alberto Gilardino on a counterattack. Fiorentina claimed top spot in the group with this win, having already eliminated Liverpool a fortnight prior.

On the second last day of the transfer window, 31 January 2010, Jørgensen returned to his childhood club, Danish AGF for an undisclosed fee. At that point he had six months contract left with La viola.

On 11 November 2014, Jørgensen announced his decision to retire from football by the end of 2014.

International career
Jørgensen was a prolific player for the various Danish youth teams. He was named 1996 Danish under-21 Player of the Year, and eventually set a record of 31 games for the Danish under-21 national team, scoring nine goals.

He made his debut for the senior Denmark national team on 25 March 1998 against Scotland, under national team coach Bo Johansson. He was chosen to represent Denmark at the 1998 FIFA World Cup, where he got his international breakthrough. He took part in all five Denmark matches at the tournament and scored the opening goal in the 3–2 quarter-final defeat to eventual runners-up Brazil.

Jørgensen was called up by Johansson to compete for Denmark at the 2000 European Championship, despite being injured. The tournament was no success for Jørgensen, who played a single game as Denmark were eliminated in the preliminary group stage. He made his second World Cup appearance, under new coach Morten Olsen, at the 2002 FIFA World Cup. He played in Denmark's three group stage matches, before suffering an injury which kept him from playing the second round where Denmark were eliminated. At the 2004 European Championship, Jørgensen played in all Denmark's four matches before elimination.

Coaching career
In late 2014, Jørgensen was hired as assistant manager at AGF, a position he held for six months. He continued as player without any coaching role until the year following, where he retired as a player. He then became coach of the U14 team in January 2015.

One month after his appointment as U14 coach at AGF, he was also hired as the assistant manager of the Danish national team. In the summer of 2015, however, his role at AGF changed from U14 coach to scout, while he continued as assistant manager in the national team. He left the post as assistant manager in January 2016.

Club

 * Notes

International

 * Scores and results list Denmark's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Jørgensen goal.

Honours
AGF
 * Danish Cup: 1995–96

Individual
 * Danish under-21 Player of the Year: 1996

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Talk:Xanthorrhoea

Distribution Map
Your distribution map is off. The blue needs to extend down through victoria into tasmania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.199.139 (talk) 08:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

earlier comments
Lomandra (mat-rushes) are also a genus of Xanthorrhoeaceae. http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/l-mul.html has a minor page on them, though there are many resources out there. Someone better at botany than me may want to take a look at it. Peter1968 04:57, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image
I added the image but after reading the Kingia article I'm now unsure which plant the image actually is. Any thoughts anyone? Cheers SeanMack 15:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks more like a Xanthorrhoea to me, but I'm no expert. User talk:Hesperian 00:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Challenged?
Some one might check the following out - not a scientific treatise,but... it might give some clues, and - its b&w! Grass Trees Of Western Australia : Blackboys & Black Gins / Hal Missingham. Fremantle, W.A. : Fremantle Arts Centre Press, 1978. library number 584.43 MIS User:SatuSuro 00:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

"Boy holding a spear"?
Perhaps I just have a dirty mind, but it seems like "blackboy"'s real etymology would be rather crude, referring to male anatomy. Does anybody have a definite source either way? Stan 01:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wash your mouth out with soap, Stan. The Oxford English Dictionary quotes JL Stokes, Discoveries in Australia (1846): "[the trees are called Black Boys]... from the resemblance they bear, in the distance, to natives (sic)." Callophylla 09:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Joining pages
I reckon that there is not enough things in the other article and anyway it is pretty much the same stuff any way. The other article could be put in the intro —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielVDV (talk • contribs) 09:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Usage of 'Blackboy'
This might not be the place to talk about this, as it doesn't add any enclycopeadic information to the page. Anyway, I was wondering what everyone else's thoughts were over the use of the term 'blackboy' in every-day language. Obviously, it stems from an archaic racist mind-set, and the term can easily be considered offensive. Nonetheless, it is still a term that I use when referring to the plant. I am a 22-year-old white middle-class Australian and have grown up on a bush property in the hills of Perth since I was very young, and still live there. Anyway, I still call the plant a blackboy whenever I talk about it. I consider myself a non-racist, and when I use the term, there is no racist intent whatsoever. So what am I to do? If someone talks to me about a grasstree, it takes me some time to figure out what they're on about. Should I stop using this term? I feel an attachment to the term itself, so I would prefer not to stop using it. I know this isn't specifically encyclopaedic discussion, but it is a difficult one. Hmmmm. 144.139.121.117 (talk) 10:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Not difficult at all. While it may no longer be appropriate to use the term "blackboy". It was, and has been used, for Xanthorrhoeas, and people seeking to read earlier writings and understand them need to know how it was used.  The racist past (and present) needs to be discussed, not wiped out, because a word 'should' not be used.  MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:55, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 10:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

symbiotic relationships
This section may well be poorly labelled. However, it discusses two important facts relating to Xanthorrhoea and to Western Australian plants: 1) the problem of dieback, and 2) the mycorrhizal fungi necessary to so many Australian plants in our impoverished soils. I do not understand why editors remove referenced, and relevant text. Rewrite, reorganise, by all means, but deletion of hardwon information, seems to me to be contrary to the aims of Wikipedia. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I have reverted the edit - as a west oz person who has watched some areas degenerate very badly from dieback anything that explains or includes material about endemic flora of western australia and the relationships between plants and the organisms involved is valid.

Inadequate explanation given in edit summary - and no reply yet, I believe such an edit needs to be reverted. Any justification for removal will need something substantial. JarrahTree 09:13, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

This was probably a slip up, that is what the edit summary indicates; assuming that is what happened also works. The message does not seem to have been ignored. I'm looking over and reading some sources, any suggestions or contributions would be helpful. I probably have something on dieback, but the ref ought to be to the genus or qualified with known impact on species. — cygnis insignis 12:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've refactored a lot of the content, nailed down anything contentious, and tagged some lines I should be able to cite. There is some duplication and lot of stuff missing, but I will pause to let other contributors have their say. cygnis insignis 17:10, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Pointless section in Taxonomy
In the third paragraph of the Taxonomy section the sentences are poorly written and have no citation:

"The Aboriginal people called the plants Balga because after a bush fire had ravaged the land, the blackened trunk of the Xanthorrhoea would be revealed beneath the burned lower leaves, and would resemble a child like black figure.[citation needed] Others[who?] believe that the plant, with its bush fire blackened trunk and long flower spike resembled an Aboriginal boy wielding a spear. "

I suggest this section should be removed as it is not up to standard with the rest of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.234.7 (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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Dennis Rommedahl

Dennis Rommedahl (born 22 July 1978) is a Danish former professional footballer who played as a right winger. During his 19-year professional career, he won four Eredivisie titles with PSV Eindhoven, and also played for several other Dutch clubs in between stints in England and Greece.

The third-most capped national player for Denmark, he appeared in 126 matches and scored 21 goals for his country, and was a member of the Danish squads at the 2002 World Cup, Euro 2004, the 2010 World Cup and Euro 2012. He was nominated for Danish Footballer of the Year in 2007, but did not win the award until 2010.

Club career
Rommedahl was born in the Bispebjerg borough of Copenhagen. He played youth football for a number of clubs, including B. 93 and Lyngby. He made his senior debut in 1995 for Lyngby, playing in the Danish Superliga.

PSV Eindhoven and RKC Waalwijk
In 1997, he was acquired by PSV Eindhoven, where he made his debut on 22 March in a 1–0 home loss against Heerenveen. After his second match, PSV loaned him to RKC Waalwijk for the 1997–98 season. He returned to PSV in 1998 where he became a success by outrunning defenders and providing dangerous crosses from the wing. He was a member of the PSV squad that won four Eredivisie championships and four Johan Cruijff Shields.

Charlton Athletic
Rommedahl moved from Dutch to English football in the summer 2004 when he signed a four-year contract for Premier League side Charlton Athletic. His first season was spent settling in at The Valley, with a notable length of time spent on the substitute's bench and on the physiotherapist's table. During his second season, he took a leading role in helping Charlton climb the ladder in the Premier League.

Rommedahl was linked with several moves away from Charlton. In the summer of 2006, he was nearly sold to Zenit St. Petersburg. In December 2006, he was linked with a £1 million move to F.C. Copenhagen. This link was resurrected as Charlton edged closer to relegation, with Rommedahl being discussed as a replacement for Michael Silberbauer, who was expected to leave Denmark to join a foreign club. In the summer of 2007, Galatasaray and Getafe expressed interest in signing him. However, he finally left Charlton on 20 July 2007, moving to Ajax for fee of £680,000.

Ajax and NEC
With Ajax, Rommedahl immediately won his fifth career Johan Cruijff Shield in a 1–0 win over his former team, PSV Eindhoven. He was also one of five players nominated for the Danish Football Player of the Year in 2007. For the second half of the 2008–09 season, he went out on loan to NEC. He finished his Ajax-career at the end of the season 2009–10.

Olympiacos
In July 2010, Rommedahl signed a two-year contract with Super League Greece club Olympiacos. On 30 August 2011, Olympiacos released Rommedahl to find another club.

Brøndby
Rommedahl joined Brøndby on 30 August 2011 on a free transfer, signing a two-year contract and was given the number 11 shirt.

RKC Waalwijk
Rommedahl signed with RKC Waalwijk in the summer of 2013. Because of injuries he had never played an official match before he dissolved his contract with the club in January 2015.

International career
Rommedahl was selected to play for the Danish under-19 national youth team in July 1996. He went on to play a combined 19 matches and score five goals for the under-19 and under-21 national youth teams.

After the appointment of Morten Olsen, Rommedahl was immediately called up for his Denmark senior national team debut in August 2000. He played the next 38 Danish national team matches in a row, the first 32 games in the starting line-up. The 38 games included Denmark's four games at the 2002 FIFA World Cup, where he scored against defending world champions France in Denmark's 2–0 victory. He also played all four Danish matches at the Euro 2004. His unbroken run of national team games ended in February 2004 when he missed the friendly against Turkey.

On 28 May 2010, Olsen announced that Rommedhal would be part of the final squad of 23 participating in the 2010 World Cup. He assisted Nicklas Bendtner's goal, and scored the winner himself, in a group stage game against Cameroon on 19 June 2010. Rommedahl was also inducted in the final squad for Euro 2012, where he once again participated in all of the Danish group matches.

On 9 October 2014, after a long-term injury, Rommedahl announced that he would officially retire from the national team. He was given a farewell ceremony before Denmark's match against Portugal on 14 October 2014.

International

 * Scores and results list Denmark's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Rommedahl goal.

Honours
PSV
 * Eredivisie: 1996–97, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03
 * Johan Cruijff Shield: 2000, 2001, 2003

Ajax
 * KNVB Cup: 2009–10
 * Johan Cruijff Shield: 2007

Olympiacos
 * Super League Greece: 2010–11

Individual
 * Danish Football Association's award (2): 2007, 2010
 * UEFA awards 100 caps: 2011

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Wikipedia:Peer review/Khmer Rouge/archive1

Khmer Rouge
I have intensely formated this article and have added some more information. I am _considering_ (not will) of turning the article into a Featured article. I want to know what can be improved. Squash 04:58, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Firstly, while I respect your work on Cambodia, I strongly doubt that anyone could turn this into a featured article, as it's a persistent target for edit wars in the same vein as Gdanszig. In addition, just about every section needs expansion. Good luck, though - it'd be nice to see a better treatment of the topic. Ambi 06:31, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree with Ambi. I can see no reason why this can't be resolved. It might take a while, but it should be resolvable with properly referenced material and careful NPOV wording. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:30, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding the edit wars, you are correct, that if we were talking about months ago. The article used to be a target for edit wars but over recent time it has become stable; edit wars are now not as common. Squash 10:13, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)