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Future of Indian stars
We're doing predictions now? RickK 00:22, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

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 * Can't this be speedied? In any case, delete, and we have more than enough WP:BJAODN already, but it can be added if somebody wants. r3m0t 00:30, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 00:32, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Actually, following bollywood publications, this article seems like a good guess about the near furture of various movie stars. Nevertheless, WP ain't the place for this. Qwertyca 01:08, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. That is what my fortune teller predicted would become of this entry after looking at her tarot cards. Zzyzx11 01:18, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a fortune teller. Megan1967 02:12, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Totally inappropriate. --Oarias 02:17, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. - Mustafaa 03:02, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I did find it funny however that someone is trying to predict the future of the stars. Usually they try to predict their own futures from the stars. -- Brhaspati 05:20, 2005 Feb 20 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Longhair 12:41, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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There and Now: Live in Vancouver 1968

There and Now: Live in Vancouver 1968 [sic] was a 1990 (or early 1991) archival release of a concert by Phil Ochs in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, at the PNE Garden Auditorium on Thursday, March 13, 1969. Performing solo with guitar (except on "The Bells," where Allen Ginsberg played the bells), Ochs was worn, weary and despairing in the aftermath of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Ochs presents some of his older material, such as "There But For Fortune," "Changes" and "The Highwayman," alongside then-new songs from the as-yet-unreleased Rehearsals for Retirement such as "The Doll House" and "William Butler Yeats Visits Lincoln Park and Escapes Unscathed." The album thus documents two eras of Ochs in one seventy-minute show.

There are conflicting sources about the album's year of release. The CD liner indicates that There and Now: Live in Vancouver was originally released in 1990, but the Farewells & Fantasies box set lists the original release date as January 1991.

Track listing
All songs by Phil Ochs unless otherwise noted.
 * 1) "There But for Fortune" – 3:02
 * 2) "Outside of a Small Circle of Friends" – 4:04
 * 3) "Where Were You in Chicago? / William Butler Yeats Visits Lincoln Park and Escapes Unscathed" – 5:05
 * 4) "The Scorpion Departs But Never Returns" – 4:41
 * 5) "Pleasures of the Harbor" – 7:07
 * 6) "The World Began in Eden and Ended in Los Angeles" – 3:22
 * 7) "The Bells" (Edgar Allan Poe with musical interpretation by Phil Ochs) – 3:12
 * 8) "The Highwayman" (Alfred Noyes with musical interpretation by Phil Ochs) – 6:54
 * 9) "I Kill Therefore I Am" – 3:50
 * 10) "The Doll House" – 4:08
 * 11) "Another Age" – 4:56
 * 12) "Changes" – 4:45
 * 13) "Crucifixion" – 8:01
 * 14) "I Ain't Marching Anymore" – 4:25

Personnel

 * Phil Ochs - guitar, vocals
 * Allen Ginsberg - bells (on "The Bells" only)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cathleen Synge Morawetz

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Cathleen Synge Morawetz
Is this a case of vanity or notability? Does once holding the title of president of the American Mathematical Society make all the difference? 113 unique google hits (see page 12). GRider\talk 00:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * keep yes, you don't get that title without already being a notable mathematician (note the National Medal of Science) but, the title is sufficiently notable in itself.  i think many of your recent nominations are very poor candidates for vfd, GRider. Wolfman 00:28, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * You are most certainly entitled to your own opinions so long as they're not veiled personal attacks. Please specify which nominations you found poor -- if I agree with you they will be withdrawn.  GRider\talk 00:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * there was nothing at all personal about my comment above. go read it again.  the only thing thin around here is your skin.  i think for example that Carol Alt, Cathleen Synge Morawetz, Dorothy Tillman, Tod Maffin are all poor vfd candidates; some of your other nominations are fine. Wolfman 00:45, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I have recategorized several hundred articles in the past 72 hours. As a result, several dozen of a questionable nature have been posted to VfD for discussion.  In hindsight it does appear that Carol Alt should be de-listed from VfD even though the article is in dire need of improvement in order to prevent a future relisting; it is premature to cast judgement on the other three you mention and I firmly stand behind all my other nominations.  GRider\talk 00:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * thank you for your hard work. it was not my intent to insult.  having voted keep on 3 of your nominations in a row seemed a bit unusual, that's all. Wolfman 00:59, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Concur with GRider. I am equally guilty of posting a large number of VfDs over the last couple of days, but both of us are working on heavy categorization (he in bio-stub, me in dead ends) and as a result, sometimes poorly written pages fall through to VfD even if their subjects would be worthy of inclusion. Sometimes deleting a bad article is best because a good article with the same name can then be started anew. Radiant! 11:33, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes. The AMS is a major organization... that presidency alone merits inclusion. This is obviously not vanity. Please don't nominate things for VfD you're not sure of yourself... i.e., don't ask questions in your nomination. A nomination is an implied "delete" vote, so you need to justify your nomination just as you'd justify a delete vote. Also, do a bit better research. Your 113 hits number is misleading. You should've also searched for "Cathleen Morawetz", which yields another 560 hits. – flamurai (t) 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and expand. Notable. Megan1967 08:57, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. AMS president and National Medal of Science are notable.  Easily clears the average professor bar.  --BM 12:58, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. National Medal of Science is not handed out like confetti (only 409 so far in over 40 years). Note also that "CS Morawetz" produces another 380 google hits, and pretty good ones at that too. Average Earthman 13:12, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable musician. Capitalistroadster 08:58, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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2 plus 2
note: has now been redirected per Flamurai's work below, keep as redir Wolfman 03:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

just silly. Wolfman 00:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this so-called principle of theirs is meaningless without a proof. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 00:28, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't understand these higher mathematics, so delete. Carrp | Talk 00:45, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I thought this was going to be about the poker book publisher, actually. – flamurai (t) 01:46, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * hmmm, that might make a reasonable replacement article. any poker fans out there? Wolfman 01:51, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the publishing company is officially Two Plus Two Publishing rather than 2 plus 2, but if someone ever writes that article, this could be a redirect. – flamurai (t) 02:14, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, no redirect. Megan1967 09:00, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep redirect to prevent recreation. Grue 11:59, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Arzawa

Apasa, capital of Arzawa - etymology in Hittite
There are plenty of Hittite dictionaries and Lexicons online, I'd like to request someone add an etymology for Apasa after adding some of the sources that have researched the name, as Apasa and the later Greek word for the city seem closely related.

Hittite Etymological Dictionary Jaan Puhvel 1984 has appa- as uniformly related to "after" in a temporal sense', but Greek authors sometimes take it related to Ephor like Sparton's overseers.

As this is a harbor town, "looking after" may make more sense then "over seeing" and "see-er you see in landlocked capitals where the large hill is used as the name generator.

fyi - http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/hittite/en_lexique_hittite.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.179.151 (talk) 19:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Arzawa and Asia
- "Arzawa may be the origin for the name of the continent Asia."

Assuwa and Asia
- Not Arzawa, you're thinking of the other Luwian kingdom, Assuwa. It was Assuwa that gave its name to Asia.

- I agree. I have left the original quote in place for now, but have added Assuwa reference with original source.

- There is no indication Arzawa and Assuwa were separate kingdoms. Assuwa was the name of a coalition, and Arzawa may have been a successor state. Read Bryce (2005), Kelder (2010) and Cline (2013) for background on this. 2600:1702:28E0:EE0:70BE:C450:3FF6:69B1 (talk) 22:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Arzawa and Argos
- Was Argos that gave its name to Arzawa?

Note: The word "wa' means "land" in Hittite language.

- Was Bellerophon, the Corinthian prince of Greek Mythology, the same person with Uhhaziti, king of Arzawa?

- Was Arza-wa the "Argive land" (i.e. Achaean or Mycenean colonies), in Asia Minor (or else, Anatolia), in 16, 15, 14 centuries B.C. ?

- Was Madduwatta or Maddywattes, the Lukkan king of Arzawa (1360? B.C.) the same person with Jobates, the king of Lycia according to Greek Mythology?

- - Is exact the etymology, below ? :

Madduwatta < Maddu-watta < (Madd)u-watta < Uwatta < Ιοβάτα < Ιοβάτης (Jobates or Iobates)

- Was Piyama-Kurunta, Arzawean general and son of Uhhaziti, the king of Arzawa, the same person withHippolochus (= he who is leader of cavalry, in Greek), the first son of Bellerophon or with ("Pegasus (the Corinthian)", the mythical horse of Bellerophon?

Note:

Hippolochus = Hippus ( = horse, in Greek) + lochus ( = group of soldiers, in Greek).

--Ionn-Korr 11:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Answers and Critics
Altough English isn't my mother tongue, I have to make some corrections here:

-Argos and Arzawa are surely to be differentiated, not only are their names quite different, but also their locations are surely not identical. Altough the geography of the Arzawa-lands is difficult, it is sure that Arzawa must have been in West-Anatolia, and so cannot be identical with Argos.

It is also wrong that -wa means land in Hittite. utne or udne means land in Hittite. There is no meaning of -wa as a substantive in Hittite. I don't know where you got that idea from.

-Why should Bellerophon be identical with Uhha-Ziti?????

-The Madduwatta - Iobates etymology is surely incorrect, Madduwatta in Greek should be, as you said Mad(d)ya(t)tes

-The other identifications are all to be discarded. The Arzawan rulers cannot be identified with persons from Greek myths. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.60.63.76 (talk) 09:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

language about language

 * ... the linguistic identity of Arzawa was predominantly Luwian ...

Does this mean anything other than "Arzawa's predominant language was Luwian"? If not, I'd change it to the more transparent wording. —Tamfang (talk) 20:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

 * well i guess no one else has a problem with it —Tamfang (talk) 21:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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List a Arzawan kings as a complete mess!
The list of Arzawan kings is widely inaccurate (like many things that appear in Wiki's history articles). It could be fixed by resorting to few decent references, but until then, it's better just to delete it. 2600:1702:28E0:EE0:70BE:C450:3FF6:69B1 (talk) 22:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Location of Arzawa and Seha
I posted a short summary of Gander (2014). He's sort of offering a different picture of location. Y-barton (talk) 00:32, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Removal of cited information
[] It's weird to remove scholarship with the excuse that it's outdated. In fact there is not contradictory view on this one as such this can stay.Alexikoua (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Georgiev (1981) provides a specific possibility and there I see no problem if this one is mentioned here. By the way there is no scholarship that contradicts Georgiev's claim and as such claiming that this should be removed at any cost can be easilty considered disruptive editting.

In terms of linguistics there is indeed strong linguistic evidence that Greek speech was present in the LBA-era of western Anatolia as such the existence of a possible Mycenaean Greek equivalent term is a valid information and good to have. Alexikoua (talk) 20:22, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Georgiev (1981) claims: ""During the second half of the 2nd millennium B.C. the Argeians, the Achaeans, and the Danaans colonized several parts of the southwestern and southern coast of Asia Minor, as well as the island of Cyprus. At that time the Hittites knew of them by the names Ahhiyawa=(ἈχαιϜοί or) *Ἀχαί(ι)Ϝᾱ from *ἈχαιϜ-i̯ᾱ ‘the country of the ἈχαιϜοί, and Arzawa (Arzauwa). Hidden in the name Arzawa is probably the late Mycenaean (= Cyprian) form of the name *ἈρζειϜᾱ < *Ἀργ(ε)ēϜ-i̯ᾱ ‘the land of the Argeians’, a derivative of the ethnicon *Ἀργεεύς ‘inhabitant of Argos’ or of the ethni-con itself *ἈρζεϜēς from *Ἀργ(ε)-ēϜ-ες ‘inhabitants of Argos’.15 The same form was preserved in Latin: Argīvī originates from *ἈργειϜοι ‘inhabitants of Ἀργεια, a derivative of *Ἀργ-ειϜᾱ < *Ἀργ(ε)-ēϜ-i̯ᾱ ‘the country of the *Ἀργ(ε)-ēϜ-ες. The towns of Ἄργος in Caria and Ἄργειόπολις in Cilicia are the traces of the Argeian colonies (= Arzawa) in Asia Minor.""

 * Now, the name Arzawiya is attested since the reign of the Hittite king Ḫattušili I (1650–1620), which directly contrasts Georgiev's speculations about the second half of the 2nd millennium BC, who bases them on numerous dubious reconstructed terms. Furthermore, in recent bibliography no scholar supports that "Arzawa = Argean colonies" conjectured by Georgiev on the basis of the above mentioned dubious linguistic reconstructions. And the claim "At that time the Hittites knew of them [the Argeians, the Achaeans, and the Danaans] by the name Ahhiyawa ..., and Arzawa (Arzauwa)" is purely incorrect. WP:EXTRAORDINARY claims require exceptional sources, not outdated publications like Georgiev's. If you find new academic sources that support it, feel free to restore your addition. – Βατο (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be against including a mention of Georgiev's proposal. However, we would need more than a single source from the 1980s to justify reporting it as a probable truth in Wikivoice. Botterweg14  (talk)  23:05, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly, this conclusion by Georgiev needs to be stated since the author passes wp:RS. Bato needs to take a deep breath and avoid pretenting that this is WP:EXTRAORDINARY since the region of Arzawa was in direct contact with that of Mycenaean Greece.Alexikoua (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Bato's rationale has serious problems and appears to be just unexplained personal assumptions:
 * Error 1: the name Arzawiya is attested since the reign of the Hittite king Ḫattušili I (1650–1620), which directly contrasts Georgiev's speculations about the second half of the 2nd millennium BC-> claims that there is bibliography that contradicts Georgiev's view but there is no contradicting view presented. I'm afraid that there is no scholarship that's against this view especially when Georgiev's linguistic construction finds a possible equivalent term in the adjacent Greek speech of the 2nd millenium BC. Well it's not bad to have it in the article.
 * Error 2: bases them on numerous dubious reconstructed terms: Yet again a personal opinion without providing bibliography that contradicts this view. What's exactly dubious? You need to provide supporting bibliography not just personal speculations.
 * Error 3: WP:EXTRAORDINARY claims require exceptional sources, not outdated publications like Georgiev's: extraordinary why? Georgiev is RS, on the other hand you need to present something that contradicts this view, as such there is no reason for it to be removed. After all it's stated that linguist Georgiev proposed a possible equivalent term and it's not bad at all.

We need to rely on scholarship not simply claiming that a scholar falls into WP:EXTRAORDINARY without presenting any bibliography that contradicts this view. Our personal opinion isn't enough to turn sholarship (Georgiev in this case) into WP:EXTRAORDINARY in order to have him removed.Alexikoua (talk) 02:31, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * it would still be WP:UNDUE for that section, and it would require accurate wording to explain every conjectural contradiction made by Georgiev (1981) to make the content balanced, including appropriate sourcing. The editor who added this content selected and included only those parts provided by Georgiev that seem to be less dubious, but overall, the hypothesis is inaccurate. The actual attestation of the name occurred during the reign of Hittite king Ḫattušili I in the period 1650–1620, and it is considered an Anatolian name , while Georgiev (1981) hypothetically claims that "During the second half of the 2nd millennium B.C. the Argeians, the Achaeans, and the Danaans colonized several parts of the southwestern and southern coast of Asia Minor, as well as the island of Cyprus. At that time the Hittites knew of them by the names Ahhiyawa ..., and Arzawa (Arzauwa)" and that "The towns of Ἄργος in Caria and Ἄργειόπολις in Cilicia are the traces of the Argeian colonies (= Arzawa) in Asia Minor.", i.e. that the name Arzawa, which he speculatively equates with Argeians, spread with Mycenean colonization in the 2nd half of the 2nd millennium BC, but the name was already present in Anatolia in the 17th century BC . Georgiev's hypothesis is based on such assumptions as "At that time the Hittites knew of them by the names Ahhiyawa ..., and Arzawa", which is completely erroneous given what present-day sources support: the content of the article as well as current scholarship do not relate the names Ahhiyawa (Myceneans) with Arzawa (Anatolians), and do not relate their populations, as Arzawa is regarded today to have been inhabited either by Luwians, Carians or Lydians, all Anatolian-speaking peoples, not by Mycenean- or Greek-speaking populations as assumed by Georgiev (1981). If User:Alexikoua is so confident of the accuracy of Georgiev's speculations, he certainly won't have trouble finding recent sources that discuss those hypothetical claims put forward around half a century ago. Otherwise, they are evidently not worth of inclusion. – Βατο (talk) 10:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Bato: please avoid abstract arguments here: your claim that it's considered an Anatolian name does not contradict that there is a (late-era) Mycenaean equivalent on this name since Arzawa & Mycenaean Greece were in close contact all that time. Arzawa is regarded today to have been inhabited either by Luwians, Carians or Lydians? What has this to do with the obsession to get rid of the Mycenaean equivalent of the name? You are also falsifying T. Bryce who states that a late-Mycenaean collonization is a possibility in Cilicia see: Trevor Bryce, The land of Hiyawa (Que) revisited, Anatolian Studies 66 (2016): 74b, there is a strong tradition in Quwê and Hilaku, Hiyawa < Achaea connection [] indded. Please provide precise points with supportive bibliography on why you feel that this is not a good addition in Arzawa. To sum up:

1. there is no reason to remove the possibility of a Mycenaean equivalent term. 2. Bato needs to present scholarship that questions the *ἈρζειϜᾱ < *Ἀργ(ε)ēϜ-i̯ᾱ connection. Alexikoua (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:Burden, including this claim would require appropriate sourcing. For reasons Βατο has explained, appropriate sourcing would mean more than a single citation from the 1980s. Omitting a claim does not require a counter-source. Botterweg14  (talk)  18:55, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Botterweg14: Αs I see Georgiev who is a widely known linguist on the field by the way isn't the only one that supports this link. Just by reading some Hittite related articles (Lukka lands) I saw this book: and it reads:  Argos' inhabitants are the Argives, name that can be very well compared to the Hittite name of Arzawa's land in western Anatolia. Georgiev isn't definitely the only one that supports a possible linguistic connection with the name Argos. Alexikoua (talk) 22:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * that's not WP:RS, it is a self-published book by AuthorHouse, and the author is a retired lawyer. You are an experienced editor and you should have known it, but evidently you have not found better than that. – Βατο (talk) 22:46, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Information related to Arzawa-Mycenaean Greece
Plenty of scholarship has emphasized on the connection between Arzawa and Ahhiyawa (diplomacy and forming anti-Hittite alliances) nevertheless for an unexplained reason this has vanished from the article recently (both prose and citations as redundant). I can name at least 20 modern mainstream scholars who are clear on the equation Ahhijawa - Mycenaean Greece (Beckman, Gary; Bryce, Trevor; Cline, Eric, Jorrit Kelder etc.). On the other hand I can't see any scholars pointing to the opposite.

Removing cited information on the Mycenaean-Arzawan connection warrants some explanation and since the cited version that refers was already present -per wp:BRD- any removal should receive concensus in tp. Alexikoua (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi. Thanks for starting a discussion, but I'm not sure what the basis of your complaint here is. The version you're objecting to contains several references to Ahhiyawa and Mycenaean Greece, as well as an explicit statement of their equation: . My objections to the version you are restoring should be clear from my edit summaries. Botterweg14  (talk)  20:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not clear at all. In this edit you claimed to have "expanded" on the Mycenean connections but in fact it's the exact opposite, you removed 3kb of text including everything related to the cooperation between Arzawa and Mycenean Greece. Khirurg (talk) 21:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Once again, I'm not sure what you're referring to. The text I added was  Botterweg14  (talk)  22:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * From what I understand, one issue here is the removal of the "Sources" section with the explanation that it is "redundant" because there are inline citations. From my experience so far, I've noticed that citations with tags are preferred over repeated inline citations that add to the total size of the article. The other issue seems to be the bold removal of content, along with used sources, related to the Mycenean-Arzawa relations (for example diff) without an explanation in the edit summary. I generally want to assume good-faith, as it is expected in wikipedia, so I believe that this could be worked out. Piccco (talk) 00:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 * I understand why that reversion might look unexplained to you. But if you go back in the article's history, you will see it explained in edit summaries including (but not limited to) "". I am happy to clarify, to elaborate, to discuss further, or whatever improves the article.
 * As for short citations versus long citations, both are used freely on Wikipedia. I have a slight preference for long citations, but if someone wants to convert the article to sfn I'm fine with that. Just as long as they do it correctly and consistently. Botterweg14  (talk)  01:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * From what I see, in the edit that Khirurg used (diff) you, indeed, made an interesting addition in the "Society" section, so thank you for that, but you also removed several paragraphs that seem to me they were in one way or another related to Arzawan history. Most of it seems to be about the Arzawan population and its deportation to Mycenean territory, Piyama-Radu being active in Arzawa etc. It is logical that when someone sees large amount of information, including quotes from sources (?), being removed with a somewhat vague explanation, they will find this removal a bit weird. Piccco (talk) 09:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I also wanted to comment on the sentence (here Ahhiyawa are treated as a people) turing into  (here Ahhiyawa is treated as a state). To be honest, I'm not sure if this wording is more precise than the previous one. The Ahhiyawa refers to a people (the Myceneans) and the land that they inhabit (aka "the Mycenean world or some part of it"). I'm not sure if describing Ahhiyawa/the Mycenean world as a state (one political entity) is very accurate, because from what we know this might have not been the case. For example, the Mycenean world was made up of the so-called palatial states. As such, we don't really know if every mention to Ahhiyawa in Hittite texts refers to the same political entity (let's say, a unified kingdom) and not just Mycenean-inhabited or -controlled lands. Piccco (talk) 10:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Sure, mistakes happen. Though I would have appreciated it if the other editors had taken the time to read my edit summaries, and failing that, inquired civilly instead of making false accusations. I would still appreciate it if the other editors would apologize and strike their earlier comments.

 * As for your comment about terminology, I see your point but I'm following the Kelder (2004-2005) reference here, e.g "." That's why I used "Mycenaean Gree{ce|k}" in my additions about cultural influence but "Ahhiyawa" in reference to international relations. Botterweg14  (talk)  11:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright, I see that; however, I still think that the lead should just reflect the general consensus about Ahhiyawa (which is that it refers to the Myceneans and the Mycenean world, as opposed to one state or politial entity). This quote might be a bit cherry-picked and it might not be appropriate to base the wording of the lead on that. Besides that, it doesn't mention a state per se. In fact, my original wording seems in accordance with that quote too; (as a people/ nation, or a state)  (cultural influence, part of Mycenean world). Overall, I'm just not very sure about the word "state" for the lead. Piccco (talk) 12:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Replying to the first paragraph: I don't think the editors really wanted to make any accusations, it's just that some of the edit summaries didn't exactly reflect the edits that were made. You see, even I who read the summaries I got a bit confused. But it's okay, I'm leaving this aside now. When you said "mistakes happen" did you refer to the accidental removal of the content that I pointed out above, like the Arzawan deportation to Mycenean lands etc.? From what I understand, the editors found this content significant enough to have a mention in the body of the article; hence the reaction when it was removed without a very clear explanation. I also think that this information was important for the Arzawan-Mycenean relations; I guess it'd be worth a mention in the body. Piccco (talk) 12:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Kelder quote is not cherry picked. This is the main theme of his research. Here is how he summarizes his own work in the "prologue" to his 2010 book: . Of course, there are subtleties here (including the fact that not all scholars agree with Kelder!) and I am happy to discuss and compromise but I would really rather not deal with these continuing WP:ASPERSIONS.
 * As for the details about the deportation of Arzawan civilians, my proposed text reads I think this is a sufficient level of detail, but I'm amenable to including more so long as it is relevant, well-sourced, and contains no plagiarism.  Botterweg14  (talk)  13:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Picco's proposal of the lede wording is more accurate than . Regarding the other concerns, I think Botterweg14 included all the relevant information about the relations between Arzawa and Ahhiyawa discussed in current bibliography. That said, I appreciate Botterweg14's edits, which have significantly improved the article. – Βατο (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ahhijawa corresponds to Mycenaean Greece or at least part of it (Beckman, Gary; Bryce, Trevor; Cline, Eric). Claiming Mycenaean Greek state of Ahhiyawa falls straight into wp:OR and we should avoid that kind of wording since it's not supported by any scholar on the subject.Alexikoua (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, Kelder is the source of the idea that Ahhiyawa was a unified Mycenaean political entity. Eric Cline and others have proposed slightly watered-down versions of this idea. Botterweg14  (talk)  22:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Botterweg14, I want to clarify that I didn't really want to cast any asperations; I was commenting solely on the text itself. As I mentioned yesterday, If I was going to discuss I was interested in doing it in good faith. Piccco (talk) 21:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. Given that it was my interest in Ancient Greece that brought me to this topic, I would hope that we can collaborate without issue from here on out. Botterweg14  (talk)  22:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm presenting the parts that have been repetitively removed as supposedly unrelated to Arzawa:

Alexikoua (talk) 20:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 * 1. Madduwatta is already mentioned earlier in the same paragraph. The text I added in the "Culture" section started life as a rephrased version of the "close contact" bit. 2. The aftermath of the Uhha-Zitti revolt is already discussed in that paragraph.  3. This text is plagiarized. I wouldn't object to this information being included in the article, though I don't find it hugely important.  4. Piyama-Radu postdates the Kingdom of Arzawa so he's out of place in the current version of the article. But I was thinking of adding an additional section on the Mira/post-independence era in which he would fit in. Stay tuned. As pointed out previously, the second sentence is (bizarrely) both plagiarized and the opposite of what the source actually says.  Botterweg14  (talk)  22:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Removing all the above with the explanation that this can be briefly summarized [] as 'expansion' appears really problematic. Another problematic issue is that the equation Ahhijawa-Mycenaean is removed from the main text. Since Ahhijawa is widely mentioned in contemporary records in Arzawan politics we 'need' to specify the relation between the two entities in detail (the same way we specify the role of the Hittites in the area). Removing the above parts leaves the reader without any knowledge about what was happening in Arzawa (wars, alliances etc everything that 's directly related to the main subject).Alexikoua (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Good faith
I'm frustrated by the above discussion. I would like to request that retitle this section and retract his earlier accusations. I was (and I remain) totally happy to discuss these issues in good faith, but I want assurances that I will be treated as a colleague and not as an enemy. Botterweg14 (talk)  23:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Summarizing here based on the points made above: The sentense about Maduwatta (active in Arzawa) allying with Attarsiya (an Ahhiyawan) testifies to the early Arzawan-Ahhiyawan contacts and, now that Alexikoua trimmed the repetition (diff), it seems to be okay.  I guess, most of it could be seen as a repetition. Deportees serving the Hittite king could be worth the mention, Idk.  The Miletus setback, which is interpreted as a possible outcome of the Mycenean support to the Arzawan cause, is another hint to the Arzawan-Mycenean ties. Since this is only a sentense, it doesn't raise huge plagiarism concerns, but perhaps a small rewording could do, I guess.  Piyama-radu might be worth a quick mention, if the source says he was active in Arzawa. If you add a post-independece era, he would be even better fitting, as you said. I don't have an opinion about the last part. Piccco (talk) 23:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As a short reply to the message above, I'll just say that perhaps our communication wasn't focused on one thing at a time and as a result we weren't really on the same page when discussing. I can understand your confusion, as well as Alexikoua's concerns for different reasons. The main points are now made very clear, so it's easier to address them directly. Piccco (talk) 00:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Botterweg14 Please receive my apologies (I've rephrased the title). Sometimes it turns frustrating realizing that referenced information isn't part of the text any more but hopefully we can sort out each issue.Alexikoua (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate it. Botterweg14  (talk)  01:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have to thank everyone for their concerns on each issue above. I have trimmed to avoid any repetition on the deportations, just left those who served the Hittite king.  A rephrasing was necessary to avoid any plagiarism about the event that is described as a straight response of the Hittite king due to Mycenaean involvement in support of Arzawa,  Piyaramaradu is described as a scion of the Arzawa royal family in the correspondent citation. I'm still concerned how to present this without adding too much extra content. Alexikoua (talk) 22:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Etymology
Arzawa ancient greek from proto-hellenic, helleno-pelasgian root SYR SAR ARS ARZ for high and bright shining, related to the root KOR POR SOR for stone, high and connection/passage, Like in Syros, Syria, Sardon, Sardinia, Sardelles anchovies. And ISBE iswe isp asp asw dialectical exchange of the labial and bilabial p/b/w/ph consonants. The Sigma S transforms to a Digamma F, aFp, the Digamma F affects the P and doubles it to Hippo horse. Hippo = Kappa like in Kappadokia δεχομαι dekhomai receive, accept δοχη doche receptacle, reception, feast, acception, service for horses  = awa  City of the brigthshining horses. Anatolias, Asian minors topo- and ethnonyms are ancient greek!!!! Instead of delivering us with scientific proven evidence and truth, we have to refute with scientific proven evidence: pseudo-theories, fallacies and wrong terminologies, based not on science, but on everything else like political or religious, propagandistic, dogmatic intentions. 2A01:C23:65D4:D000:540C:4056:72FA:E56F (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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Eurocopter EC135

The Airbus Helicopters H135 (formerly Eurocopter EC135) is a twin-engine civil light utility helicopter produced by Airbus Helicopters, formerly Eurocopter. It is capable of flight under instrument flight rules (IFR) and is outfitted with a digital automatic flight control system (AFCS). First flying in February 1994, it entered service in 1996. 1,400 have been delivered up to September 2020, to 300 operators in 60 countries, accumulating over 5 million flight hours. It is mainly used for air medical transport (medevac), corporate transport, law enforcement, offshore wind support, and military flight training. Half of them are in Europe and a quarter in North America. The H135M, certified under the name Eurocopter EC635, is a military variant, so the overall design is known as the Airbus Helicopters H135 and the military version, as the Airbus Helicopters H135M. The EC135/H135 is a development of the earlier Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB) Bo 105.

Origins
The H135 started development prior to the formation of Eurocopter, under Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB) under the designation Bo 108 in the 1970s. MBB developed it in partnership with Aérospatiale, the Bo 108 was initially intended to be a technology demonstrator, combining attributes of the successful MBB Bo 105 with new advances and an aerodynamically streamlined design. Technologies included on the Bo 108 included the first full-authority digital engine controls (FADEC) on a helicopter, a hingeless main rotor, and the adoption of a new transmission. The first prototype made its first flight on 17 October 1988, powered by two Allison 250-C20R/1 engines. A second Bo 108 followed in June 1991, this time with two Turbomeca TM319-1B Arrius engines. Unlike later production aircraft, both technology demonstrators flew with conventional tail rotors.

In the late 1990s, the design was revised with the introduction of the Fenestron tail rotor system, an advanced rigid main rotor, composite materials, and resonance isolation systems. It was decided to pursue a full certification program, resulting in the production of two pre-production prototypes. At the same time, the Bo 108 was given a new designation of EC135, to correspond with the newly created Eurocopter company. At this point, it was decided that the EC135 should be developed with the option of being powered by two competing engines, the Turbomeca Arrius 2B and the Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B engines. Two pre-production prototypes were built in 1994 powered by either engine, both powerplants proved to be successful and were used on subsequent production aircraft.

In January 1995, the EC135 made its first public appearance at the Heli-Expo convention at Las Vegas, at which prospective buyers were reportedly impressed with its appearance and performance figures. Another feature which became apparent upon entering service was the low noise levels produced, in part due to its Fenestron tail, the EC135 was the quietest aircraft in its class for more than 15 years. Despite the helicopter's design being primarily oriented towards emergency medical operators, the EC135 had considerable appeal to a wide range of operators. European JAA certification was achieved in June 1996, with FAA approval following in July.

In December 1999, the EC135 was granted single-pilot IFR (SPIFR) certification by Germany's Luftfahrt-Bundesamt (LBA). In December 2000, the United Kingdom's Civil Aviation Authority also gave the EC135 SPIFR certification.

Further development
In 2000, Eurocopter announced the start of certification work on the EC135P2, powered by the Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B2, offering improved single-engine performance and 30-second emergency power. The LBA certification was achieved in July 2001, and the first EC135 with the new engines was handed over to the Swedish Police Authority in August 2001. In September 2002, the EC135T2 equipped with the improved Turbomeca Arrius 2B2 was made available, providing for improved single-engine performance.

In 2002, the EC135 active control technology demonstrator/flying helicopter simulator (ACT/FHS), a research aircraft designed to test fibre optic-based flight control systems, undertook its first flight. In 2014, Airbus Helicopters began flying the Bluecopter demonstrator aircraft, built to explore more efficient design elements, including economy-optimised single-engine operations, Blue Edge swept rotor blades to reduce noise and increase efficiency, a relocated horizontal stabilizer outside the main rotor's downwash, an active rudder, and new water-based external paint; these changes were aimed at cutting fuel consumption by 40%. In December 2014, the single-engine operations portion of the Bluecopter tests were delayed to summer 2016 to make necessary avionics changes, such as to the engine's FADEC systems.

In March 2007, at the NBAA in Atlanta, Eurocopter unveiled 'L'Hélicoptère par Hermès, a special-edition VIP model designed by Hermès International, S.A.. It features a customized luxury four-place main cabin, a sliding glass partition, a corporate baggage hold, redesigned skid landing gear and other external changes. The launch customer for the type is Falcon Aviation Services (FAS), based in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. In July 2014, Airbus Helicopters made further personalization options available for the EC135 l'Helicoptere par Hermes.

In 2011, Eurocopter formalised a license manufacturing agreement with Zhong-Ou International Group to produce the EC135 luxury helicopter in Zhejiang Province, China. In October 2015, a letter of intent between Airbus Helicopters and Ecopark was signed for the establishment of a final assembly line (FAL) in Qingdao Province, China. A related $1.1 billion order for 100 Chinese-assembled H135s was announced in the same month. The majority of assembly work on the type remains at Airbus Helicopter's Donauwörth facility. Construction of the FAL started in May 2017, and opened for production in April 2019.

In January 2016, the Ural Works of Civil Aviation (UWCA), a division of Rostec, signed an agreement to build the H135 under licence at the firm's facility in Yekaterinburg, Russia. In May 2016, it was reported that Russian production of the H135 was anticipated to begin in 2017, following the receipt of Russian type certification. Russian manufacturers may be incorporated in the global supply chain.

Two variants, the EC135 T3 and EC135 P3, were developed with improved high altitude and hover performance. Changes include repositioned air intakes to the engines, wider blades being installed on the main rotor, and changes to the fenstron anti-torque tail device. The EC135 T3 was introduced to service in December 2014.

In December 2020, the H135 helicopter family EASA has certified a new Alternate Gross Weight (AGW). With the new AGW, the maximum takeoff weight has been increased up to 265 lb (120 kg) and payload. This modification can be used to increase range by up to 75 nm or endurance by up to 40 minutes under standard conditions. The new AGW is available as an option and can be applied retroactively to all Helionix-equipped H135s.

In December 2020, Airbus certified a new single-pilot IFR Helionix cockpit for its H135 helicopters. The modified cockpit allows customers to choose whether to remove the copilot side of the instrument panel to increase the field of view or keep it to install specific STC equipment.

Design

The H135 is a twin-engine rotorcraft. It can be alternatively powered by a pair of Turbomeca Arrius 2B or Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B engines, dependent on customer's preference, which gives either a T or a P, respectively, in the variant name. The main rotor is of a four-bladed, hingeless fiber-composite design. Progressive improvements to the main rotor have increased its performance and reduced maintenance costs since the type's introduction. The EC135 is the quietest helicopter in its class, featuring an anti-resonance isolation system to dampen vibration from the main rotor. The type's Fenestron anti-torque device can be actively regulated via a HI NR rotor optimization mode, which provides for greater controllability during higher weight take-off and landings. It is capable of performing Category A operations throughout its full flight envelope.

The EC135 can be equipped with either a conventional flight deck or the Avionique Novelle glass cockpit – the latter allows for single pilot instrument flight rules operation. The glass cockpit is equipped with several liquid-crystal displays, including two Sextant SMD45 displays and a central panel display. The main avionics suite is supplied by Thales Group. The EC135 can be outfitted with various avionics suites from manufacturers such as Russian firm Transas Aviation and British firm Britannia 2000.

The newer H135 model can be equipped with a four-axis autopilot, which is included as part of the Helionix avionics suite. This suite provides the H135 with a greater level of commonality with several other Airbus Helicopters-produced rotorcraft, including the H145, H160 and H175. Earlier versions of the EC135 were equipped with a three-axis autopilot with integrated stability augmentation, featuring a First Limit Indicator (FLI), simplifying engine and torque monitoring. Cockpit touch screens can be optionally installed.

Various cabin and cockpit configurations are available for the EC135, depending on the role performed and the operator's preferences. It can hold up to five passengers and a pilot when configured with a standard executive interior, or seven passengers in a dense corporate interior. Modular multi-role interiors that allow the main cabin area to be quickly changed and re-equipped are available. The main cabin of the EC135 is accessed either by large doors on either side of the cabin or by clamshell doors located at the rear of the cabin, directly underneath the aircraft's tail boom. The clamshell doors are particularly attractive to emergency medical services (EMS) and cargo operators.

Medical facilities can be installed in the cabin, such as in-flight intensive care stations (including resuscitation functionality), incubators, and hygiene-convenient flooring. In a mountain rescue configuration, the cabin can simultaneously accommodate two stretchers as well as the pilot, anaesthetist, winch operator, mechanic and mountain rescue specialist.

Airbus Helicopters has promoted the airframe's various configurations as possessing "unique adaptability" for various missions, including utility work, commercial transportation, and training roles. Equipment for the law enforcement role include external loudspeakers, rappelling system, search lights with laser pointers, left or right-mounted hoists, and electro-optical sensors. For offshore oil & gas operations, the rotorcraft can be fitted with weather/search radars, emergency floatation aids, including an automated external life raft, energy-absorbent seating, class-D certified external hoists, and crash-resistant fuel tanks. An external hook can be installed to carry underslung loads of up to 272 kg for cargo missions. In a training capacity, features such a light aircraft recording system for post-flight analysis, intuitive human-machine interface, specific training modules, and a one-engine inoperative training mode, and full ground simulators, may be selected.

Operational history

Deliveries started in August 1996, when two helicopters, 0005 and 0006, were handed over to German emergency aero medical service provider Deutsche Rettungsflugwacht. The 100th EC135 was handed over to the Bavarian police force in June 1999, by which point the worldwide fleet had accumulated approximately 30,000 flight hours. In September 2003, the 300th EC135 was handed over to UK-based McAlpine Helicopters. At this point, the EC135 was the best selling new light twin-engine helicopter in the UK market.

In 2011, Eurocopter announced that the 1,000th EC135 to be produced had been delivered to German operator ADAC, roughly 15 years since the start of production. In 2012, Flying magazine recognised the EC135 as being "the industry's best selling twin-engine helicopter". The world fleet leader in flight hours for the type is G-NESV (s/n 0067), operated by Cleveland Police Air Operations Unit based at Durham Tees Valley Airport, UK. Originally delivered to the North East Air Support Unit in April 1999, it was the first EC135 worldwide to attain 10,000 flying hours.

In 2009, the EC135 was the first aircraft selected for offshore wind support in the UK, after the Civil Aviation Authority approved helicopter operations to the Greater Gabbard offshore wind farm. The EC135 has been used in Denmark to support the Horns Rev offshore wind farm. By 2013, over 10,000 successful personnel transfers have taken place using the type. In Mexico, Apoyo Logístico Aéreo has operated a fleet of EC135s for servicing the extensive oil and gas offshore platforms in the Gulf of Mexico.

In 2013, it was reported that the EC135 was currently providing roughly 25% of the world's total emergency medic services flights, and that over 500 EC135s have been delivered to in an aeromedical configuration. By late 2013, during which a brief grounding of the type was instigated due to safety concerns of fuel gauges, the EC135 made up half of the UK's operational air ambulance fleet. In October 2014, the first EC135 air ambulance was delivered in the Chinese market.

The German Army operates 19 H135s as basic trainers at the School of Army Aviation in Bückeburg. These have had an average operational availability in excess of 95 per cent. In 2014, the German Army noted that there was potential for vibration-induced rotor cracking during autorotation training, shortening the life of the main rotor. 13 EC135 trainers have been procured by the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, they have been designed as the TH-135.

In December 2014, the first production EC135 T3 entered service with Aiut Alpin Dolomites, a mountain rescue operator based in Italy. In June 2015, Airbus Helicopters delivered the first retrofitted H135 from the earlier EC135 standard. Changes include an enlarged main rotor, relocated engine air intakes, elevated engine performance, and the horizontal stabiliser's endplates removed and its span increased.

In October 2015, Waypoint Leasing and Airbus Helicopters signed an agreement for the acquisition of up to 20 H135 for public leasing purposes.

In 2017, the Royal Air Force received the first 2 of 29 H135s designated as Juno HT.1s for the UK Military Flying Training System with training provided by Ascent Flight Training.

In 2018, the Australian Defence Force established the Joint Helicopter School operating 15 EC135T2+ procured under Project Air 9000 Phase 7 to train both Australian Army and Royal Australian Navy pilots. The school is set within Navy's 723 Squadron at HMAS Albatross. In 2024, after the retirement of the MRH-90 Taipan helicopter, the Australian government announced that it would lease 5 H135T3 (Juno) from the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence for five years to maintain "essential training requirements" for Australian Army pilots. The helicopters will be based at the Oakey Army Aviation Centre.

Variants

 * EC135 P1 :Powered by two 463 kW (621 shp) Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B (ratings correspond to take-off power (TOP)). Later versions have the centre panel display system (CPDS). Initial maximum take-off weight (M.T.O.W.) of 2,630 kg (5,798 lbs), later raised to 2,720 kg (5,997 lbs) and then 2,835 kg (6,250 lbs).
 * EC135 T1 :Powered by two 435 kW (583 shp)(TOP rating) Turbomeca Arrius 2B1/2B1A/2B1A1. Later versions have the CPDS. Initial M.T.O.W. of 2,630 kg (5,798 lbs), later raised to 2,720 kg (5,997 lbs) and then 2,835 kg (6,250 lbs).
 * EC135 P2 :Powered by two 463 kW (621 shp) (TOP rating) Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B2. Increased thermodynamic and mechanic OEI ratings (128% OEI torque). Replaced EC135 P1 in production in August 2001.
 * EC135 T2 :Powered by two 452 kW (606 shp) (TOP rating) Turbomeca Arrius 2B2. Increased thermodynamic and mechanic OEI ratings (128% OEI torque). Replaced EC135 T1 in production in August 2002.
 * EC135 P2+ (Marketing name EC135 P2i):Latest current production version with 498 kW (667 shp) PW206B2 (new power ratings based on a FADEC software upgrade), plus a 2,910 kg (6,415 lbs) M.T.O.W. upgrade, extended component time between overhauls (TBOs), and a change in the main transmission lubricating oil. Built in Germany and Spain.
 * EC135 T2+ (Marketing name EC135 T2i):Latest current production version with 473 kW (634 shp) Arrius 2B2 engines (new power ratings based on a FADEC software upgrade), plus a 2,910 kg (6,415 lbs) M.T.O.W. upgrade, extended component TBOs, and a change in the main transmission lubricating oil. Built in Germany and Spain.
 * EC135 P2+ (Marketing name EC135 P2e):Marketing designation of aircraft with increased M.T.O.W. of 2,950 kg (6,504 lbs) within restricted flight envelope.
 * EC135 T2+ (Marketing name EC135 T2e) :Marketing designation of aircraft with increased M.T.O.W. of 2,950 kg (6,504 lbs) within restricted flight envelope.
 * EC135 P3 :Powered by two 528 kW (708 shp) (TOP rating) PW206B3 engines (new power ratings based on a FADEC software upgrade), plus a 2,980 kg (6,570 lbs) M.T.O.W. upgrade, and significant increased OEI, Cat A, and hot/high performance. Market introduction in 2014.
 * H135 (EC135 T3) :Powered by two 492 kW (660 shp) (TOP rating) Arrius 2B2Plus engines (new power ratings based on a FADEC software upgrade), plus a 2,980 kg (6,570 lbs) M.T.O.W. upgrade, and significant increased OEI, Cat A, and hot/high performance. Market introduction in 2014.
 * EC635/H135M: Military variant originally developed to meet a Portuguese Army requirement for a fire support and medical evacuation helicopter. Presently, operated by Jordan, Swiss  and Iraqi armed forces.
 * TH-135 : Military training variant developed from the EC135 T2+.
 * ACH135 : Corporate variant of the H135.

Operators

In 2016, half of the EC135s operating in service were engaged in emergency medical services operations, 17% in air transport, 16% in public services (typically law enforcement), 10% in military missions, 4% in offshore operations (typically offshore wind power inspection), and the remaining 3% in military training.

The 1,400th was delivered in September 2020, as over 300 customers in 60 countries accumulated more than 4.5 million flight hours. Most are in Europe (641), followed by North America (316) and Asia (195).

Military operators

 * 🇦🇺 Australia
 * Royal Australian Navy - 15 EC135T2+
 * Australian Army - 5 EC135 T3 to be leased from the UK Ministry of Defence
 * Brazilian Air Force
 * Brazilian Navy - 3 EC135 T3 ordered to replace AS355F2.
 * Gabonese Air Force
 * German Army
 * Irish Air Corps
 * Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force
 * Royal Moroccan Air Force - H135s ordered for training duties in 2022.
 * Royal Moroccan Gendarmerie
 * Nigerian Air Force
 * Spanish Army Airmobile Force
 * Royal Air Force / Ascent Flight Training - No. 1 Flying Training School
 * Kurdistan Region
 * Royal Moroccan Air Force - H135s ordered for training duties in 2022.
 * Royal Moroccan Gendarmerie
 * Nigerian Air Force
 * Spanish Army Airmobile Force
 * Royal Air Force / Ascent Flight Training - No. 1 Flying Training School
 * Kurdistan Region
 * Royal Air Force / Ascent Flight Training - No. 1 Flying Training School
 * Kurdistan Region
 * Kurdistan Region

 * Peshmerga Air Support/1st Aviation Squadron

Government operators

 * Argentine Federal Police
 * Argentine National Gendarmerie
 * New South Wales Police AirWing
 * Queensland Police Service contracted through Surf Life Saving Queensland Aviation
 * Surf Life Saving Queensland Aviation
 * Victoria Police (former)
 * Federal Police
 * Victoria Police (former)
 * Federal Police
 * Federal Police
 * Ontario Provincial Police
 * Carabineros de Chile
 * Croatian Police
 * State Police
 * Federal Police
 * State Police
 * HSE National Ambulance Service
 * Garda Air Support Unit
 * Japanese National Police
 * Federal Police
 * State Police
 * HSE National Ambulance Service
 * Garda Air Support Unit
 * Japanese National Police
 * Garda Air Support Unit
 * Japanese National Police
 * Japanese National Police
 * State Border Guard
 * Dutch National Police
 * ANWB Medical Air Assistance
 * Norwegian Police Service
 * Air ambulances in Poland
 * Border Guard (Poland)
 * Romanian Police
 * SMURD
 * Slovenian National Police
 * Civil Guard
 * National Police Corps
 * SMURD
 * Slovenian National Police
 * Civil Guard
 * National Police Corps
 * Civil Guard
 * National Police Corps
 * Northern Lighthouse Board
 * National Police Air Service (England & Wales)
 * Police Scotland
 * Police Service of Northern Ireland
 * Trinity House
 * Ministry of Health (Turkey) (operated by Turkish Aeronautical Association)
 * Broward County Sheriff
 * Massachusetts State Police
 * Broward County Sheriff
 * Massachusetts State Police
 * Massachusetts State Police
 * NASA
 * Kennedy Space Center

Accidents and incidents

 * On 29 November 2013, a Police Scotland EC135 T2 crashed into a pub in Glasgow, Scotland. Three occupants of the aircraft were killed, as well as seven patrons of the pub. The UK AAIB issued its final report on the accident on 23 October 2015. It said that "No significant pre-impact technical defect was identified in any part of the aircraft or its systems." It added that important fuel transfer pumps were switched off "for unknown reasons", and that the helicopter "did not land within the 10-minute period specified in the Pilot’s Checklist Emergency and Malfunction Procedures, following continuous activation of the low fuel warnings, for unknown reasons."
 * On 28 August 2023, a Broward Sheriff's Office EC135 crashed into a residential building, after witnesses stated it started smoking heavily while in flight before spinning and rapidly losing altitude. A Broward Sheriff Fire Rescue Captain, and a resident of the structure that the helicopter crashed into, were both killed in the crash. Two other employees, and a second resident survived.

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Piano Concerto (Barber)

The Piano Concerto, Op. 38, by Samuel Barber was commissioned by the music publishing company G. Schirmer in honor of the centenary of their founding. The premiere was on September 24, 1962, in the opening festivities of Philharmonic Hall, now David Geffen Hall, the first hall built at Lincoln Center in Manhattan, with John Browning as soloist with the Boston Symphony Orchestra conducted by Erich Leinsdorf.

History
Barber began work on the concerto in March 1960. John Browning was the intended soloist from the outset and the concerto was written with his specific keyboard technique in mind. The first two movements were completed before the end of 1960 but the last movement was not completed until 15 days before the world premiere performance. According to Browning (in the liner notes for his 1991 RCA Victor recording of the Concerto with the St. Louis Symphony), the initial version of the piano part of the third movement was unplayable at performance tempo; Barber resisted reworking the piano part until Vladimir Horowitz reviewed it and also deemed it unplayable at full tempo. The work was met with great critical acclaim with Barber winning his second Pulitzer Prize in 1963 and the Music Critics Circle Award in 1964.

It was recorded by Browning with the Cleveland Orchestra conducted by George Szell in 1964 and also played live while being on tour with the Cleveland Orchestra in Europe in 1965. He recorded it again in 1991, with the St. Louis Symphony, conducted by Leonard Slatkin on the RCA Victor Red Seal label. Other recordings include: 1976 by the MIT Symphony Orchestra for Vox/Turnabout; a Naxos release performed by Stephen Prutsman with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra under Marin Alsop; a performance by Tedd Joselson with the London Symphony Orchestra directed by Andrew Schenck; a recording on Telarc played by Jon Kimura Parker with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra conducted by Yoel Levi.

Scoring
The work is scored for piano solo and an orchestra of piccolo, 2 flutes, 2 oboes, cor anglais, 2 clarinets, bass clarinet, 2 bassoons, 4 horns, 3 trumpets, 3 trombones, timpani, percussion, harp and strings.

Movements
The work is in three movements:
 * 1) Allegro appassionato
 * 2) Canzone: Moderato
 * 3) Allegro molto

I. Allegro appassionato
The first movement opens with a piano declamation of one of the major themes, and then moves into a furious tutti section. This opening section contains the expression of the movement's chief melodies. Through inversion, retrograde, and counterpoint variations of these melodies (which will appear in later movements), Barber spins out the entire movement. It begins (after a tonally ambiguous introduction) and ends in E minor.

II. Canzone: Moderato
The second movement, predominantly in C-sharp minor, is based primarily on one sweet but sad melody and is far more subdued than the first movement. This movement was transcribed and expanded from an Elegy for flute and piano, composed in 1959 for the flautist Manfred Ibel. It was published in 1962, as Canzone (Elegy), Op. 38a.

III. Allegro molto
The third movement, mostly in B-flat minor, is in a furiously fast 5/8 time, with a pounding ostinato. It makes heavy use of the brass instruments, and is driven by the recapitulation of a brief motivic theme, giving the movement a modified rondo form.

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Carney Lansford

Carney Ray Lansford (born February 7, 1957) is an American former professional baseball player and coach. He played in Major League Baseball (MLB) as a third baseman from 1978 to 1992, most notably as a member of the Oakland Athletics team that won three consecutive American League pennants and a World Series championship in. He also played for the California Angels and the Boston Red Sox. Lansford was the 1981 American League batting champion as a member of the Red Sox and was an American League All-Star in 1988 with the Athletics.

Career
Drafted by the California Angels in the 3rd round of the 1975 Major League Baseball draft, Lansford was the Angels' most successful rookie in 1978 and finished third in the overall AL Rookie of the Year vote. He was traded along with Rick Miller and Mark Clear from the Angels to the Red Sox for Rick Burleson and Butch Hobson on December 10, 1980. In 1981, he won the American League batting title in the strike-shortened season, becoming the league's first right-handed hitter to do so in 11 years. However, the emergence of Wade Boggs resulted in the Red Sox sending Lansford to Oakland in a trade involving Tony Armas during the 1982 off-season. Lansford became the A's regular third baseman and was there for their 1988 through 1992 dynasty, typically hitting second behind Rickey Henderson. Lansford narrowly missed winning his second batting title in 1989 with a .336 average (Minnesota's Kirby Puckett finished with a .339 average). Although his power numbers dropped off during those years, and he missed almost all the 1991 season with an injury, Lansford's speed and solid hitting made him a significant contributor to the A's dynasty. He played in three World Series with the A's, losing in and  and winning in.

In his 15-year career, Lansford was a .290 hitter with 151 home runs, 874 RBI, and 224 stolen bases in 1862 games. In five American League Championship Series and three World Series covering 33 games, he hit .305 (39-for-128) with two home runs and 18 RBI.

Baseball writer Bill James ranked Lansford as the 39th best 3rd baseman all-time but heavily criticized his defense and wrote that "he was a good hitter but he was an awful third baseman."

Coaching career
Lansford was a hitting coach for the San Francisco Giants during the 2008 and 2009 seasons. Lansford was relieved of his duties following the 2009 season. Lansford was hired by the Rockies for the 2011 season. In 2015, Lansford was a Batting Coach for the Lamigo Monkeys of the CPBL.

Personal life
Lansford had a cameo role as Kit "Hit or Die" Kesey, the Chicago White Sox batter that Mel Clark (played by Tony Danza) retires for the final out in the Angels' pennant-winning game in the 1994 remake of Angels in the Outfield.

He claims to be a direct descendant of Sir Francis Drake, who died with no known children.

His son, Jared, was drafted by Oakland in the second round of the 2005 amateur draft. His other son, Josh, was a third baseman in the Chicago Cubs minor league system. His brother, Jody Lansford, spent nine seasons in the minor leagues, briefly breaking into the big leagues with the San Diego Padres, for whom he recorded 30 at bats with six hits in parts of two seasons, with one career home run. His other brother, Phil Lansford, was drafted 10th overall in the 1978 draft but never made it to the majors.

He played for the Briarwood Little League team, from Santa Clara, California, which made it to the finals of the 1969 Little League World Series. In the final game of the World Series on August 2, Carney's team was defeated 5-0 by the team from Taipei City, Taiwan. Lansford is one of fewer than a dozen men who have played in both the Little League World Series and the MLB World Series.

In 2019, Lansford created a personal web page where he announced he would be starting a web page dedicated to recapping and commenting on the Star Wars series The Mandalorian. Lansford is an avid Star Wars fan and has always stated that his favorite character was Boba Fett. However, as of 2020, the web page has been deactivated and Lansford never offered any additional public commentary on the show.

Lansford went to Wilcox High School in Santa Clara, California. The school's baseball field is named for him.

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Matola

Matola is the largest suburb of the Mozambique capital, Maputo, adjacent to its westernmost side. It is the nation's most populated city. Matola is the capital of Maputo Province and has had its own elected municipal government since 1998. It has a port and also the biggest industrial area in Mozambique. The population of Matola was, according to the 2007 census, 671,556 inhabitants, having increased to a 2017 census population of 1,032,197.

Etymology
Matola, which is also a common family name, comes from Matsolo a Ronga kingdom that existed in this region when the colonists arrived.

Industry
Matola is an industrial centre with an important port for minerals (chromium and iron) and other exports from Eswatini and South Africa. It has petroleum refineries (presently inactive) and diverse industries, which manufacture products like soap, cement, and agricultural materials. The most important of these is an aluminium smelter, installed in 2002, that more than doubled Mozambique's GDP. In November 2014, South Korean car company Hyundai Motor Company opened a plant in Matola (Somyoung Motors), which manufactures the Hyundai i10 and Hyundai Accent.

Transport
Matola is served by a station on the southern network of Mozambique Ports and Railways, connecting the Goba railway and the Pretoria-Maputo railway. Coal is exported from here.

Geography
Matola is also the name of a small river (some 30 km long), that makes the northern border of the Matola municipality, and flows into Maputo Bay.

Town twinning

 * 🇵🇹 Loures, Portugal (since 1996)
 * 🇿🇦 Johannesburg, South Africa

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cathy Hoeven

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. 6 solid deletes, 4 solid keeps, and a 2-2 weak keeps and weak deletes. -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:09, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cathy Hoeven
With 12 unique google hits, does this person pass "the test"? If so, why? GRider\talk 00:28, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is really borderline. The reason I'm voting "keep" is because I can't find a reason under Importance to object to this article. Honestly, I don't think it's that important myself, but she's been a producer of a popular network television program for a long time. – flamurai (t) 02:54, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * weak keep marginally notable, but has worked on some well known shows. don't see any harm in keeping it. Wolfman 05:36, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, just under the bar of notability. Megan1967 09:04, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree with Megan, delete. Lots of people are associated with big shows, simply because the shows are big. Radiant! 09:24, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. 2 IMDB producing credits in shows I, as a European never heard of, isn't my idea of notable, not even by association. 131.211.210.32 09:57, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Log in didn't work out. Above vote is mine. Mgm|(talk) 09:57, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I've heard of those shows, and writers make a significant impact on them. Wikipedia isn't doing it's job properly if it ignores the "behind the scenes" people who actually contribute most of the material. It's not just about famous faces Kappa 10:43, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 11:44, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) long-term writer on at least two VERY famous shows.  Above the bar. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  11:44, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I believe US shows tend to have large teams of writers and producers (not having seen either of these, I have no idea how long their credits are). I'd need evidence that she was more than just one of the team. Average Earthman 13:15, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Not sure how much of an article can be made out of this, but her work is more than a little notable. --InShaneee 16:42, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just brushing the top of the bar for notability as supervising producer for recent show. HyperZonktalk 16:47, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete if that's all there is. Just another name in the credits. Shows like Letterman have teams of writers (and considering its a talk show most of the show is taken up with "unscripted" chat between host and guests (not totally impromptu, but usually not scripted by a separate writer)). And being "a producer" in itself isn;t terribly notable; it seems every show has about a thousand people who hold the title of some form of "producer". -R. fiend 18:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are millions of people who work "behind the scenes" and making important contribution to civilization. It is not wikipedia's role to establish someone's notability: it is to record the proven notability. Mikkalai 20:26, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Half delete this. —RaD Man (talk) 11:34, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The evidence presented so far does not meet my understanding of the recommended criteria for inclusion of biographies. Delete unless further evidence of notability can be established.  Rossami (talk) 04:41, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Ronan Rafferty

Ronan Patrick Rafferty (born 13 January 1964) is a Northern Irish professional golfer who formerly played on the European Tour. He won the European Tour Order of Merit in 1989.

Early life
Rafferty was born in Newry, Northern Ireland. He won the Boys Amateur Championship aged 15, qualified for the Open Championship at age 16, and played in the 1981 Walker Cup aged 17. He tied for first place with Peter McEvoy in the 1980 English Open Amateur Stroke Play Championship for the Brabazon Trophy. According to Rafferty, as an amateur he and future pro Philip Walton had the best handicaps in the country.

Professional career
For a period Rafferty was one of the best professional golfers in Europe. Between 1987 and 1993, he won 12 official tournaments around the world: five in Australia, seven in Europe. He led the 1989 European Tour Order of Merit and qualified for the 1989 Ryder Cup team. By the early 1990s, he came close to breaking the then-record for consecutive cuts made on the European Tour. He also spent over 100 weeks ranking inside the top 25 of the Official World Golf Ranking between 1989 and 1993.

Rafferty joined the European Tour in 1982. His first year was solid (if unremarkable) with one top-ten placing and 48th ranking on the Order of Merit. His second season, in 1983, inaugurated an excellent stretch that lasted throughout the 1980s. In eight straight seasons, he finished in the top 30 of the Order of Merit and recorded at least six top-10s per year.

He struggled at coming through down the stretch, however. He recorded an astonishing 62 top-10s before his first European Tour victory. This included a playoff loss to compatriot David Feherty at the 1986 Lancia Italian Open.

He had better luck winning down under, however, recording two wins on the 1987 Australasian Tour. The second victory was at the New Zealand Open, where he defeated defending PGA Championship winner Larry Nelson in a playoff. He was the first European to win New Zealand's national open since the 1920s. He also won the 1988 Australian Match Play Championship, defeating Australian Mike Clayton in the finals.

After knocking on the door for years, Rafferty would finally win in Europe in 1989. He avenged his 1986 playoff loss at the Italian Open with a one stroke win over Sam Torrance. This would be Rafferty's best season, as he would win an additional two events and record a 15 top-10 finishes. At the end of the year he won the Volvo Masters, the most prestigious win of his career, defeating Nick Faldo by one shot. He would go on to win the European Tour Order of Merit. He would also finish atop the 1989 Ryder Cup standings and play in his only Ryder Cup that year at The Belfry. Although Rafferty did not play well (he lost both team matches he played), he won his singles match against defending Open Championship winner Mark Calcavecchia on the 18th hole for a 1up win. This tight win proved indispensable as the European team struggled on the last day and only barely retained the cup with a 14–14 tie.

In 1990 was another great season for Rafferty. He won the Coca-Cola Classic, PLM Open and Ebel European Masters Swiss Open, recorded two runner-ups and had 12 top-10s in 30 official tour events. His excellent play earned him a special foreign invitation to play the Masters for the first time. In the spring he reached his career peak of #16 in the Official World Golf Ranking after a tie for 6th at the Belgian Open. He also qualified for the U.S. Open and PGA Championship; he was the first Irish pro to play in the U.S. Open since the 1940s.

The remainder of the early 1990s would see Rafferty play a mixture of some good and more disappointing golf. Although he recorded six official top-10s, including a runner-up finish at the European Pro-Celebrity pro-am, 1991 was a frustrating year. For the first time in five seasons, Rafferty did not win an official international event. He missed a European Tour cut for the first time in years at the Spanish Open. His play at the majors was especially weak. He missed the cut at the Masters, abruptly withdrew from the U.S. Open in the middle of the second round and failed to qualify for the Open Championship for the first time. His withdrawal from the U.S. Open was particularly contentious and he was fined by the European Tour. By the end of season he was in danger of leaving the top 50 in the world rankings.

The beginning of the 1992 season suddenly saw Rafferty go on perhaps the hottest stretch of his career. He finished no worse than second place in five consecutive worldwide events: a victory at the Daikyo Palm Meadows Cup for his final win in Australia; a tie for second at the European-sanctioned Johnnie Walker Classic in Bangkok, Thailand; a playoff loss to Seve Ballesteros at the Dubai Desert Classic; a runner-up to American legend Tom Watson at the Hong Kong Open; and finally a victory at the Portuguese Open. His world ranking would peak again at #16 after his win in Portugal.

This period also marked the beginning of a slow decline that would persist. In the heart of the season, playing in more challenging European and American events, Rafferty missed the cut in most of the events he played; and, when he made the cut, he usually finished near the bottom.

1993 marked a brief return to form. After recording some high finishes in minor European and South African events in late 1992/early 1993, Rafferty recorded a number of top-10s in the middle of the 1993 European season. This would culminate with a victory at the 1993 Hohe Brucke Austrian Open. Rafferty would finish the season ranked inside the global top 50.

The 1994 season, however, would mark the beginning of the end of his career as a touring professional. His victory in Austria would be his last. He recorded only two top-10s in 26 European events and failed to finish in the top 50 of the Order of Merit for the first time.

Rafferty maintained full-time status for three more years and recorded a spate of top 10s but could come close to matching his 1980s' heyday. In 1997 broken bones in his left hand severely affected his play. After the 1997 season, he failed to enter the top 100 of the Order of Merit again. He would retire as a touring professional after the 2003 season.

Personal life
Rafferty was first married to Clare and had two children. His second wife is Yvonne.

In 1987, while playing on the Australasian Tour during the European Tour offseason, he lived with the family of Australian pro Ian Baker-Finch. During this time, Rafferty became a connoisseur of Australian wine. He remains a noted wine collector.

Rafferty now plays few tournaments, and is involved in broadcasting, where he works as a commentator and analyst, and golf course design. He regularly appeared on Setanta golf's coverage.

Legacy
Rafferty is known for prefiguring the rise of professional golf in Northern Ireland. He and David Feherty were the first Northern Irish golfers to win consistently on the European Tour. Shortly after they retired, golfers like Graeme McDowell, Rory McIlroy and Darren Clarke would go onto greater success, winning major championships.

Rafferty was one of the best European golfers during the 1980s and early 1990s. He won 12 official worldwide tour events between 1987 and 1993. By comparison, Nick Faldo, the best European golfer of that era, won 17 tour events during that timespan. Paul Azinger, the most victorious American golfer during that timespan, won only one more event than Rafferty during these years.

Amateur wins

 * 1979 Boys Amateur Championship
 * 1980 Brabazon Trophy (tie with Peter McEvoy)

European Tour wins (7)
European Tour playoff record (1–4)

PGA Tour of Australasia wins (5)
PGA Tour of Australasia playoff record (1–0)

Other wins (1)

 * 1988 Equity & Law Challenge

Results in major championships
{{legend|yellow|Top 10}} {{legend|#eeeeee|Did not play}} CUT = missed the half-way cut WD = Withdrew "T" indicates a tie for a place

Summary

 * Most consecutive cuts made – 5 (1988 Open Championship – 1990 Open Championship)
 * Longest streak of top-10s – 1

Team appearances
Amateur
 * European Youths' Team Championship (representing Ireland): 1979 (winners), 1980
 * Jacques Léglise Trophy (representing Great Britain & Ireland): 1979 (winners)
 * European Boys' Team Championship (representing Ireland): 1980
 * Eisenhower Trophy (representing Great Britain and Ireland): 1980
 * St Andrews Trophy (representing Great Britain and Ireland): 1980 (winners)
 * Walker Cup (representing Great Britain and Ireland): 1981
 * European Amateur Team Championship (representing Ireland): 1981

Professional
 * World Cup (representing Ireland): 1983, 1984, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993
 * Hennessy Cognac Cup (representing Ireland): 1984
 * Dunhill Cup (representing Ireland): 1986, 1987, 1988 (winners), 1989, 1990 (winners), 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995
 * Four Tours World Championship (representing Europe): 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 (winners)
 * Ryder Cup (representing Europe): 1989 (tie, cup retained)
 * Record: 3 matches, 1 point (33% point percentage)
 * All formats (W–L–H): 1–2–0 = 1 pt
 * Singles: 1–0–0 = 1pt
 * Foursomes: 0–2–0 = 0pts
 * Fourballs: 0–0–0 = 0pts

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User:Hohum2

My interests are primarily in the area of military simulation and strategy.

I hope to improve upon Wikipedia's collection of Wargame material.

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