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User talk:Phlebas

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Just dropping a hello. Sorry if my edits on ChrisJMoor 02:37, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Walking with Dinosaurs" screenshots!
How excllent! I hope you'll make a long series of "Dinosaurs" and "Mammals" screenshots: Wikipedia needs these illustrations! --Wetman 05:50, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I'd really like to describe every episode of the series, as my brother has them on VHS. I downloaded the screenshot and didn't shoot it myself. I don't know if it was ever released on DVD. (and I hope it's not a copyright infringement) — Phlebas 16:28, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Titanosaur
Hi there. It's good to see someone new working on dinosaurs (and yes, I even saw you join the dead-on-arrival WikiProject :). But could you move Titanosauridae back to titanosaur? The article actually discusses Titanosauria in general, including the family, and how the largest grouping of sauropods is still vague, given the dubious anchor taxa and all the missing skulls. I followed the ToL guideline of defaulting to the lowest covered taxa in the taxobox, which may have been incorrect -- I have no problem with changing the taxobox to Titanosauria (and probably should, since at least two of the listed genera are commonly classified as nemegosaurids). If you do a Google check the term "titanosaur" is more than five times more common than titanosaurid, titanosaurian, Titanosauridae, and Titanosauria, so the article title should use the common name (similar to the way the article is correctly at dinosaur, not dinosaurian or Dinosauria). I was careful about using titanosaurid when I referred to just the family in the article (the eggs), but that probably should be clarified. 68.81.231.127 19:24, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * The formal vernacular for titanosaur is Titanosaurus... but it's not actually used that way. Please switch it back. There is a clear standard, and it supports the common usage. Are you suggesting dinosaur should be moved to Dinosauria? 68.81.231.127 19:16, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Been noticing some railway contributions
Thanks for adding to these articles! You may be interested in WikiProject Trains. Thanks again, —Morven 00:56, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

I think you have the wrong number. Adam 00:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Netherlands template
I do not mind, as long as it is not seen as a promotion of the Greater Netherlands thought (Groot-Nederlandse gedachte) :-) Electionworld 06:23, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Decolonization, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

Ranidae → true frog
I know nothing of frogs (real or otherwise), but the redirect you've set up is now a broken link. Shouldn't this either be reverted to an article, or directed elsewhere? --Fbriere 22:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Recreational cycling
Why on earth did you redirect Recreational cycling to the Netherlands? You don't seem like a troll. Twinxor 16:44, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Pseudoscience
If you're against pseudoscience and dodgy neologism, you might find this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Caffeinism) VFD interesting. --Kiand 20:47, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Cycling
Hi, I've created WikiProject on Cycling. Please come and join us in building up Wikipedia's articles relating to cycling! --Christopherlin 21:05, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Phlebas, thanks for the great cleanup job on the European cyclists' pages! Julius.kusuma 14:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Storm
Hi there! I don't know if those titles have been published in English, but since this is the en. wikipedia I felt there should at least be a translation for the Dutch words. Maybe a note should be added to reflect that. Regarding Kleinspace, I think it does refer to 'Mr. Bottle' Klein, since if it were to be 'small space' the correct Dutch title would be "de kleine ruimte", not "de ruimte van klein". Also, it's congruent with earlier titles referring to physicians, e.g. Von Neumann. HTH! Radiant_ >|< 07:37, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Cut and paste move
Hello Phlebas. I noticed you have performed a cut and paste move, but then as previous contributors have to be credited, cut and paste move is discouraged. I have put up a request to fix move. :-) — Instantnood 17:25, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Issues around the use of the phrase "mainland China" has been discussed around for several months (as you might have already recognised from the naming conventions talk page), I don't want it to be further complicated. :-D — Instantnood 17:33, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea I noticed that. :-) I agree with the move, but I'm worried the problem would be complicated. — Instantnood 17:37, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Les Editions Dargaud
I don't have a problem with it. Try asking User:Lvr as well, he started work on Franco-Belgian publishing houses. Mikkel 21:00, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's alright for me too. I just did the same for Les editions Dupuis' for which I moved the links to Dupuis'' Lvr 10:10, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Indian Railways
I agree it would be best to split the article. Would you kindly comment on Talk:Indian Railways as to what sections should be taken off the IR? The battle lines are awfully blured here. =Nichalp (Talk)= 17:46, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

KMMA
Ik zie dat jij het artikel omtrent het KMMA op de wiki en hebt ingevuld, kan je anders even naar de nederlandse versie kijken, op nl wiki ?

Waarom slijt je je dagen trouwens op de engelstalige versie? We kunnen je gebruiken bij de nederlandse versie ;)

 * Ik heb een nl account (Adson) maar dat zal ik zeer zelden gebruiken, tenzij voor nu en dan een discussietje. Ik vind de nlwiki en alle anderstalige wikis tijdsverpilling (all other wikis are a waste of time) en veel te gezellig. enwiki is a lot more exciting and it sharpens my english (sharpens-that's probably incorrect). Maar ik zal is effe kijken naar de KMMA op nlwiki. Ik zou er doodgraag willen werken...

eerste nl.wikimedia.org ontmoeting
ik zou iedereen graag willen uitnodigen te overwegen of zij een rol willen en/of kunnen spelen in de oprichting van een nederlandse wikimedia-organisatie. een eerste ontmoeting wordt momenteel georganiseerd, zie daarvoor hier, op de nl.wikimedia.org wiki. er zijn nog vele stappen te nemen, en meer wikianen nodig, om e.e.a. op verantwoorde wijze verder te ontwikkelen. Radiant_ >|< 10:50, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Flood Geology | Fossilization
See remark in. Dan Watts 15:34, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * See reply there.Phlebas June 28, 2005 16:33 (UTC)

Le Tour de France Stage recaps
Thank you for your daily Tour de France updates! I greatly appreciate your diligence. --Commander Keane 4 July 2005 21:08 (UTC)

Requested move of Dargaud
Hiya, I moved this article as you requested on WP:RM. Cheers, Talrias (t | e | c) 02:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste moves
Hi, you used a cut-and-paste move to move Rail transportation in China to Rail transport in mainland China. Please don't do cut-and-paste moves, as it separates the article from its history, which we need to keep for Copyright reasons. I see you are now aware that one should use WP:RM for help with moves if the "Move this page" link/tab doesn't work. I will fix this one - have you done any others?

electric bicycle
Hello, Names Pat. As you may have realized by clicking on the electric bicycle link this page is in dispute. It is currently redirected to motorized bicycle. As, an environmentalist, I would imagine you should be concerned about the proper identification of the green environmentally friendly method of transportion ("electric bicycle" that is) vs. all "motorized bicycles" (which more then often consist of Internal Combustion Engines (ICE)). Essentially, I am trying to get the redirect removed so I can develop the "electric bicycle" article. Your opinion on the subject would be greatly appreciate in the wikipedia redirect removal section. You can find comments about this date for Nov. 5... or simply search bicycle (alt+f with windows explorer). Seing as you enjoy clean, grean environmentally friendly I figured you might vote in favor to remove the re-direct and give us the oppertunaty to start a nice article. However, I also figured that you might be able to, or might know someone that can, contribute elements of contrast, some interesting health and environment facts. I hope to talk to you soon. Best wishes. --CyclePat 04:41, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Invitation to the Forgotten Realms project
Hi,

We are working on a Forgotten Realms Project to map Toril (mostly Faerûn, at the present). Since you contributed quite a lot on a Forgotten Realms-specific entry, I'd like to invite you to join the project, so we could improve the “Mapping the Realms” project.

The goal is to create a sort of World Factbook for the Realms. This means:
 * A consistent content
 * Use of templates
 * Entries should be limited to “sovereign places”: states and free cities, as well a moderately-inhabited place such as the Western Highlands.

On top of this, we also plan to cover Lost Empires, such as Pelvuria or Imaskar and, of course, Netheril

 * The project is located here
 * The Geographical index of Toril is a good start to get a visual of had been done, as well as the Halruaa entry.

Main contributors are presently
 * David Latapie
 * Poulsen

If you know some other person who would be interested, feel free to forward the invitation!

Feel free to take a look. We hope to see you soon mapping the Realms with us! Reply to David Latapie 12:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

updates for you
I ran across your user page while cleaning up links following a merger/re-write. I just wanted to let you know, because I'm wary of editing people's user pages. --TheLimbicOne (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * germ layer
 * was germ layer, mesoder, ectoderm, and endoderm

Biology Portal
I see that you at one point helped to maintain the Biology portal. I was just wondering if you'd consider helping to maintain it again. Thanks a lot. -- Cyde Weys 21:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

My Attempt:
Since WikiProject Dinosaurs is becoming a bit dormant of late, I've decided to get it reactivated. I've started putting the following templates all over the show, & I'd appreciate if someone would try putting them on too. Remember, they only go on Dinosaur orientated artcle's TALK pages. Not the articles themselves.

So, finally, while I work on the project with a designer, in order to get more people, thus more pages, I would appreciate if you didn't move or shift (or stuff up for that matter) any of the work I'll be doing, like adding templates, protocols to the project page, etc etc. I'm hoping to get it up to the standard of The military history project. So, tell your friends to join up, or spam unknowing people & continue to do great articles. I no time, we'll have an awesome, professional project page! Spawn Man 03:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

New improvement
As per step three (on the dinosaur project talk page), I promised to ask a general consensus about any new improvements made. So, I'd like everyone to give comments on the new talk page banner:

What does everyone think of it? It's meant to be placed on the talk page of dinosaur related articles, so everytime you edit an article, placing this there would make our job easier. So a few questions I'd like everyone to answer:

1)Does everyone like the picture? 2)Is the wording adequate? 3)Any other queries/problems?

I'll let you know when a new improvement arises... Spawn Man 00:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

New improvement 2
As per step three (on the dinosaur project talk page), I promised to ask a general consensus about any new improvements made. So, I'd like everyone to give comments on the new talk page banner:

What does everyone think of it? It's meant to be placed on the user talk page or user page of members of the Dinosaur wikiproject, so placing this there would make our job easier. So a few questions I'd like everyone to answer:

1)Does everyone like the picture? 2)Is the wording adequate? 3)Any other queries/problems?

I'll let you know when a new improvement arises... Spawn Man 00:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC).

New improvement 3
As per step three, I'm informing you that... A new userbox has been created!! Please give comments and feedback (not including the picture, which may be due to change).

I will inform on arrival of more improvements. Spawn Man 19:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

New Task bar
I've successfully created an open list of tasks on the WikiProject Dinosaurs main page for those who would actually like to know what to do with their time on the project. Add tasks as you wish, no too long though! Add your name to tasks you wish to be part of & that's as complicated as it gets... Thanks, Spawn Man 23:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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WikiProject Dinosaurs
Hi Phlebas!

There's currently less than 100 dinosaurs left on the Missing dinosaur page. We've come a long way! I was thinking that since there's just under 100 dinosaurs left, and since there are 25 of us signed on for the project, if we each wrote about four articles, we'd be done! Well, not "done", obviously, as many of the articles are in need of expansion. But then we could focus on expansion and other things.

You could take, say, Poposaurus, Priconodon, Priodontognathus and Procerosaurus.

It's just an idea, of course, and you're of course not obligated and can do whatever you like; I just figured I'd mention the idea, and see if you were interested. No harm, right?

Take care, --Firsfron 07:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC) :)

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Welcome!

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Ecumenicism
Missuse of the term ecumenical. If you look at the term, "ecumenical," as it is in use in the LCMS, you will see that "ecumenical moves" should actually be termed "movements of false-ecumenism." For this issues with the ALC, ect. were not ones of true ecumenism...it is clear to that doctrinal agreement was just an illusion. When ever this takes place, false-ecumenism is the correct term. The LCMS recognized this by declaring a conditional fellowship with the ALC when they ordained women. They knew that if real agreement existed, the ALC wouldn't have ordained women that close after making a theological "agreement" with the LCMS--192.160.64.49 22:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

"Moderate" vs. "Liberal"
In response to the 25 July 2005 changes by anonymous user 68.45.161.241: The change was made from "moderate" to "liberal" in describing the AELC. I feel the label should remain as "moderate" for two reasons: 1.) This wing of the LCMS would in no way match what is meant in broader American society, or even what is mean in American Protestantism, by the word "liberal." The wing of the LCMS that the anonymous user calls "liberal" would, in fact, appear quite conservative on the general U.S. social and political spectrum; and it is also to the Right of, for example, the Episcopalian or UCC churches. Thus, "moderate" seems to be a label that will be most easily understood by general readers in describing its social and theological values. 2.) This wing of the LCMS, during the 1970s battles, did not identify itself with the label "liberal," preferring instead the term "moderate." Indeed, the term "liberal" was used exclusively as a derogatory term for this wing by its conservative opponents. Since this article should remain NPOV, it seems to make sense to refer to each LCMS wing by its own designation, rather than by the designations affixed by its opponents. As an NPOV alternative, the dissident wing of the Synod could be termed "the self-styled moderate wing (which was labeled the liberal wing by its more conservative opponents)...". However, I don't think the article should uncritically substitute the "liberal" label affixed by conservative opponents as a substitute for the "moderate" label used by the dissident wing itself. Ropcat 5:15, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I think the anon. user was right. Liberal is the correct term. Those in the AELC became the ELCA. Members in the ELCA today recognize that their denomination is one of modern liberal protestantism. These are the same guys, by and large that did the seminex thing.--192.160.64.49 22:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

You are not "moderate" simply because you adopt the term. The entire discussion surrounding the Seminex episode had to do with internal LCMS affairs. Within that context there were two factions: liberals and conservatives. For the dissidents to call themselves moderate would infer that there are others to the left of them and there were no others. You can't have a "moderate" without having both a "conservative" and a "liberal" against which to make the comparisons. I believe the liberals knew they weren't getting anywhere and tried to cloak themselves in what they thought was a more palatable framework of moderation. In appropriating the name "moderate" they were trying to create the image that the conservatives were the more extreme. There was no discernable moderate position in the debate and everyone who was around knows it. A rose by any other name is still a rose, and in the 70’s a liberal in LCMS by any other name was still a liberal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthchaser (talk • contribs) 15:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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New Orleans Resolution Quote
This quote is not cited. I will put this on my to do list to look up if no one has the citation at hand.--RoninVII 20:05, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

NPOV problems
I am concerned by several changes by 68.74.164.7, which I've since reverted. There seems to be a practice lately of going to Lutheranism pages and using words like "extreme left," "political machine," etc., to describe opponents of the editors. These changes are all coming from a small handful of anonymous IP addresses. (See, for instance, the Gerald B. Kieschnick article and related Talk Page. (One of these anonymous editors simply deleted all my NPOV concerns from the Kieschnick Talk Page.))

I believe the Seminex article was reasonably neutral before 68.74.164.7 arrived. The views of both sides are represented. Neither side is characterized with labels like "extreme left," "radical right," etc. The article does not pass judgment on the theological or political stances of the LCMS leadership, the ELCA, the Seminex faculty, and so on. That said, I'd be happy to work with anyone who wants to elaborate on these themes, or who believes there are neutrality problems. That's what the Talk Page is for: discussion of these issues. Please use the Talk Page for this, rather than inserting loaded terminology presenting one side in a debate as extremist or devious. And please refer to the NPOV policy which states, "In a neutral representation, the differing points of view are presented as such, not as facts."

Ropcat 00:48, 27 March 2005 (UTC)

Well I don't know what you are talking about. I haven't followed this discussion regarding "extreme left" "political machine" but they were not part of my edits.

The info about Piepkorn is historically accurate. As is the info that the seminex project was planned during the fall of 1973 rather than the spontanious response by "outraged" students in January of 1974. Research by seminex students have documented this. The Seminex community may find these facts embarrasing but they are none-the-less part of the history.

The article implies that there were no doctrinal errors enumerated against the Seminary majority therefore the suspension of the facutly was motivated for other purposes. However, the historical reality of the AELC's attitude toward's women's ordination documents the tendancy's that the Faculty Majority sought to hide.

Likewise the fact that the students who walked into exile also returned for lunch in the cafeteria is historically accurate. If it reflects negatively on the students, the fact remains. I am an individual who lived through these events and knew many of the principal's personally on both sides of the fence. These additions were simply made in the quest for balance. If I had been motivated by a negative POV toward Seminex, there are large parts of this article that would need to be changed.

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Please sign your posts on the talk page. Also please use "its" rather than "it's" for the possessive pronoun in your edits of this article.

My remark about "extreme left" was in reference to the new edit in description of the ELCA in this article. Maybe it was someone else's addition though. I think this might be confusing to readers because "extreme left" implies that they are left-wing compared with American society as a whole, or at least compared with American Protestantism. I grant that they might be viewed as "extreme left" from the vantage point of a conservative LCMS member, but this terminology is likely to confuse anyone else reading it.

Could you document the additions about the 1973 walkout plans and about the students (was it ALL of them?) returning to the cafeteria? I also don't think "spin" is the best substitution for "explain" in the part about Operation Outreach, unless we're going to be using similar words for the LCMS leadership too. I don't know if the sarcastic tone about the cafeteria lunch fits the tone of the rest of the article, either.

I propose changing "...thus validating the conservatives' concerns regarding the faculty majority of Concordia Seminary" to this: "To conservatives in the LCMS, this and other moves by the fledgling AELC seemed to validate their earlier concerns about the faculty majority at Concordia Seminary."

In response to your comment, "The Seminex community may find these facts embarrasing but they are none-the-less part of the history" -- just to let you know, I'm not part of the Seminex community. In fact, I wasn't born until years after these events. (But I do think you're wrong to say that the Seminex community would be embarrassed by people learning that they made tentative preparations earlier; Tietjen, after all, discusses this in his book!)

Thanks for your participation.

Ropcat 21:53, 27 March 2005 (UTC)

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P.S. In your changes, you've got Piepkorn dying in December 1974. Are you sure it wasn't 1973? Also, could you move your article on Piepkorn to a page titled with his full name, as per usual wikipedia practice? Thanks. Ropcat 21:53, 27 March 2005 (UTC)

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Yes, I also wonder about the section immediately after "validation": "Many wondered why the AELC dissidents had been unwilling to note, as did Roland Wiederanders, that they in fact were changing the theology of the church while trying to hide the fact. Why, they wondered, if the AELC dissidents were so unhappy, did they not just leave Missouri and form their new organization years earlier thereby sparing so many so much heartbreak." First of all, there's no citation for this. Second, while it ostensibly seems to be reporting on a position, it certainly comes across as polemical. It's quite possible that the other side might have answers, which are not addressed. My suggestion: leave such questions to the reader, or at least cite the source. By focusing on "such heartbreak" it highlights the negative results of the movement. I think a lot of this could possibly be resolved if citations indicated who this "many" are. My experience is that statements like this are often merely vehicles to dress the author's beliefs in a mask of objectivity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.39.205 (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

FYI on edits from section 6 "The end of" to end
I have been trying to clean up the article a bit. There were several duplicated sections towards the end of the article. Unfortunately, I may have removed a duplicated section where a more neural POV was to be found. I'm going back through to correct any mistakes on my part. I don't think this is that big of a deal, but I'm mentioning it lest anyone attribute my edits to malice should they look at my organizational affiliation on my talk page.Jonathan Auer 20:10, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)

On second look, this entire article is full of copy-paste duplications. I'm going through each apparent dupe and trying to do a line-by-line comparison. If equal, I'll remove the second occurance of a duplicated section. Jonathan Auer 21:00, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing this, Jda. Ropcat 22:03, 27 March 2005 (UTC)

To: Ropcat, I really don't have much interest in the whole thing to continue with the project. So I'll leave it to you. I think that calling the students "outraged" was an editorial comment. What about bewildered, frustrated, deceived, etc. Since I was one of those students, I don't think that outraged applied to anyone that I knew. The entire project on the faculty majority and student leadership side was one of manipulation. Of course all the students didn't know of the behind the seens planning until more than a year after the event. A seminex student asked me in the fall of 74 (sorry about my carelessness, Piepkorn died in the fall of 73, I had been in his class in the fall quarter I was summarizing an article printed in the December 24, 1973 Issue of Missouri In Prespective and of course all they had was the month and the day of his death)if my actions of January 74 would have been different had I known that it was planned in the fall of 73. I was in the auditorium and voted for the moritorium. We were led to believe that this was a spontaneous activity as a result of the "evil" actions of the Board of Control. The whole "Operation Outreach" was intended to happen over the Christmas break but when Piepkorn died it threw their time table into chaos. This is all pertinent history of seminex and a thorough article like the one that grew out of the seed I planted should have had this info. I also started the John Teitjen article. I'm glad that others have taken up the task of fleshing things out.

Regarding returning to the Cafeteria for lunch after the EXILED media event. It is documented in the Board of Control's report on the Walk Out. It just seems to me that this Seminex article has some good facts in it, but facts carefully selected to perpetuate Seminex mythology.

A summary of this myth is that the Faculty Majority, student majority and Seminex were rightous loving people who were oppressed by an evil empire headed by J.A.O Prues who motives were simply power, ignorance and meanness.

A balanced approach would recognize nobleness of spirit on both sides as well as meanness of spirit.

== To 67.38.152.227: I'm sorry you won't be continuing work on this. I appreciate your comments above. Since there is not a good summary of this affair on the web yet, I feel like it's important to make this article as thorough and balanced as possible. For that reason, your comments above will be very useful to me and any other people who will be working on the article. One of the challenges has been that most available published sources are by Seminex participants (including Tietjen's book). You mentioned a report by the Board of Control. This sounds like a useful source for fleshing out the article and making it more balanced. Do you have any idea where one might obtain a copy? If I seemed to be emphasizing "meanness of spirit" on the part of one set of partisans in the conflict, I apologize. This wasn't my intention. I hope you will continue the dialogue here and the edits in order to make this article more detailed and balanced. My suggestion for a new phrasing of a sentence above (on AELC ordination of women) was merely geared toward attributing the view to a set of people, rather than stating it as the opinion of "the article." As I said, I wasn't there (nor alive) then, so I understand the limitations of my knowledge about these events. In any case, thanks for opening up this discussion, which will only improve the article itself, whether or not you continue to work on it. Ropcat 17:57, 28 March 2005 (UTC)

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To Ropcat: I have a couple copies of the Board of Control Report in my library. One was given to me recently and is falling apart. I enjoy looking at it mainly for the pictures. I'm sure that there must be copies in pastors' libraries and maybe seminary libraries as well as CHI. I am also aware of an article by Dr. Martin Scharlemann in an early issue of the Concordia Journal that outlines the events leading to Seminex from the other perspective. I'm pretty sure I have a copy somewhere but I haven't seen it in many a year. I should be more organized. I hope someone does an article on Dr. Scharlemann and J.A.O Preus. I thought about it but since I don't have any data at hand it seemed best left for someone else.

If anyone were to do a scholarly study on the whole thing, one area of interest would be the use of language to control an event and the way people think about the event for example calling Concordia Seminary, 801, post Seminex. Or the use of pejoratives such as calling the Seminary Board of Control "morally bankrupt". Likewise examining how the Watergate scandal affected thinking concerning the events at the Seminary. Certainly the seminex organizers were masters of symbolism and language control. For example, I attended the first Seminex graduation that at what the article describes as the "neo-gothic quadrangle of Washington University in St. Louis." Anyone who was there would have been amazed at how closely it parallels the setting of the graduation at Concordia Seminary and the architecture there. I also had (and may still have) copies of the programs from both. They clearly are cut from the same cloth.

Another area of study might be: Why did the faculty majority so over estimate their church wide support? The 60/40 votes at the convention surely must have had something to do with it but I would not be surprised if it goes deeper. Certainly, there were towering theological and academic figures at Concordia Seminary. Did this lead to over confidence? The biblical motif of exile and remnant were certainly strong. If I had to guess, there was a strong martyr attitude among the leadership. Likewise, one has to remember the immortal words of the "Blues Brothers": "We're on a mission from God."

Another area of study would be to examine what happened to the players. It's generally assumed that Martin Scharlemann had a nervous break down because of the phone calls and letters berating him. But my observation is that the major players were well taken care of. It was the little guys, particularly classmates of mine who were hung out to dry. (Though probably not intentionally.)

As you can guess, I am a casual visitor to wikipedia. I am not sure how to sign these posts.

Sincerely yours,

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Thanks for these interesting observations. I agree that it would be valuable to investigate why the ELIM members and the Seminex faculty thought that more congregations would leave the LCMS -- obviously something of a miscalculation. I'm also intrigued by your comment on how the transpiring Watergate affair affected the ways that people were thinking about the Seminex battle at the time.

Another area where I felt my writing on this article is inadequate is on the legacy of Seminex, which is the last section of the article. It would be interesting to hear where the majority of Seminex students ended up (AELC/ELCA or LCMS), and how that experience has influenced their later work, whether ministerial or not. And it could be interesting to hear what effect the core Seminex group had within the two church bodies in subsequent years. (Just speculating here, but I'd guess the most tangible influence of Seminex was the AELC forming and then prodding the LCA and ALC to unite.) The Legacy section could also include the competing "myths" surrounding the affair -- one of which might be the "Preus evil empire" interpretation that you mention, and another of which might be the conspiratorial-tinged interpretations of today's LCMS moderate groups.

Whether one agrees with the Seminex faculty or the LCMS leadership on the theological issues, it does seem that many of the students were hung out to dry (whoever one chooses to blame for that). It sounds like this was your experience, and I'm sorry to hear it. Perhaps a sentence should explain what happened to students who chose to return to CS. Did many leave Seminex for CS? What did they need to do to be "repatriated" (i.e. recanting use of historical criticism?)? Did they receive transfer credit for courses taken at Seminex?

Finally, there is not much description of how things ran at Seminex itself. Tietjen's book describes the place as wonderfully free-flowing and democratically run in its early years (which was always seemingly a goal of the student protest movement in that period, anyway); but then getting bogged down and growing more rigid, which proved annoying to students who had hoped to establish a more democratic institution than Seminex ended up being. That's just his perspective, obviously, but it seems like the school itself was an experiment that would be interesting to discuss.

I'll try to get a copy of the Board of Control's report. I'm sure it will help flesh out the story. If you have a chance to go back through your copy, or the Missouri in Perspective newsletters, that would most likely result in more great detail for this piece. I hope that this article will continue to grow.

Ropcat 04:01, 29 March 2005 (UTC)

TO:Ropcat

You have gotten me more interested in this project.

Regarding returning to Concordia Seminary from Seminex(Or the other way for that matter) it would have been almost impossible and I don't know of anyone who did switch after the start of Seminex, but there may have been some. The rhetoric was so intense and the issues were discussed as black and white that it would have been easier to change sides in the cold war than switch from one seminary to the other.

As to what happened to the students. The students that were in the best position were those on vicarage in 73-74. They had time to reflect and were not caught up in the white hot emotion of the moment. Several that I know of extended their vicarge assignments by one year to let things cool down and then returned to Concordia Seminary upon more sober reflection.

Four of my friends simply dropped out of school altogether and went on to other careers.

Some stayed at Concordia Seminary and helped run things there.

I'm not sure but one or two may have gone to seminary in Canada. I don't know how many may have switched synods or gone to Springfield.

The ones who went to Seminex had to find housing. Many lived in the poorer neighborhoods in the inner city. As the article states there were way too many students for the number of congregations willing to issue them calls. One of the reasons was a synodical rule that congregations of synod must be served by rostered pastors and the only way to be rostered as a Candidate was to be certified by one of the seminaries. So that left the Seminex grads out. The irony of the rule is that it was passed to deal with Trinity, New Haven MO being served by H. Otten who never was certified. But they were grandfathered in. So the rule only came back to bite those who initially had purshed for it.

After a short time it became possible for those who had graduated from Seminex to come into the LCMS clergy roster through the Colloquy program. I know that many did. I don't think that anything extraordinary was asked of the Seminex grads. I think that they had to get 2 recomendations from LCMS pastors and then be interviewed by a special committee.

The problem for many was that they had graduated from seminex. This often made them suspect on call lists so that it was hard for them to move after their initial placement.

I know that Seminex was a defining moment for many students, professors and synodical officials. A sad note in the history of the church. I talked to a recent LSTC grad and she mentioned that she had a former Seminex prof (I can't remember which one) who regularly told his students that they could never understand what the Seminex people went through and they would never have it that hard. Needless to say this student didn't appreciate it. It was like being lectured by war vet.

Finally, if you are interested I have page 127 from Exodus From Concordia A Report on the 1974 Walkout. Printed in 1977 by the Board of Control of Concorida Seminary. It has two pictures the first one is titled "11:50 A.M. Students and faculty march off Concordia campus into "exile" after conducting the Seminary's "funeral." The second one is captioned "12:10 P.M. "Exiled" students and facutly return to campus to eat lunch in the Seminary cafeteria."

I was planning upload it but now I'm wondering if doing so would violate copyright.

I also have decided to become a registered user of wikipedia.

Sincerely yours, --SemperUbi 18:05, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) SemperUbi

SemperUbi- Thanks for these remarks. I haven't had time to look over them carefully yet, but I will soon. In the meantime, I've added some new books to the "Further Reading" section (a few from each perspective). It seems like far more has been written about this than I initially knew about! I hope to check them out. I also tweaked one sentence in accordance with my suggestion on 27 March 2005. If that version does not seem to convey substantially the same meaning as the initial version, please leave me a comment. I'm looking forward to reading your earlier comment more thoroughly soon. Ropcat 06:58, 02 April 2005 (UTC)

Preus
Is the Jacob Preus mentioned Jacob Aall Ottesen Preus, or someone else? Charles Matthews 13:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Per the Wikipedia article, Jacob Aall Ottesen Preus, former Governor of Minnesota, died in 1961, long before these events. I believe the Jacob Preus  in the article is his son. -Martin Scharlemann 04:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

 * J. A. O. Preus II. MisfitToys 22:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Faculty List
It seems to me that this article should have a list of the faculty who walked out and started Seminex. I attended there for one term but have nothing that reminds me of who all joined the students who walked out. I've spent two hours now searching the internet for this information and haven't been able to find it. I presume this information can be found in one of the historical publications but I have no access to any. Dismalscholar (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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Stonehenge Aotearoa

Stonehenge Aotearoa, is a practical, open-sky observatory inspired by and built on a similar scale to the famous Stonehenge in England. The henge is a modern adaptation, inspired by the many stone circles and henges scattered around the world. Stonehenge Aotearoa is designed specifically for its location in Wairarapa region of New Zealand's North Island.

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French Marines

French Marines may refer to any of the following:

Historical

 * Troupes de la marine, the corps maintained by the French Navy to protect its ships
 * Compagnies Franches de la Marine, the above which was renamed and retrained serve as amphibious troops and overseas garrisons
 * Compagnie Ordinaire de la Mer, another corps maintained by the French Navy to protect its ships
 * Régiment de La Marine, the above formed into a regiment which later became the French Army's 11th Infantry Regiment,
 * The Troupes de la Marine were transferred to the French Army and renamed Troupes coloniales from 1900 - 1960

See also: French Marines in Canada, 1683-1715

Current

 * Troupes de marine, a corps of the current French Army
 * Force maritime des fusiliers marins et commandos (FORFUSCO) has command and control over the following:
 * Fusiliers Marins, the current force in charge of providing protection for French naval vessels and facilities.
 * Commandos Marine, the Special Operation Forces (SOF) of the French Navy.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Randalls (recount)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mackensen (talk) 05:47, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Alan Randalls
Vanity? A google search for "Alan Randalls" results in zero hits on google. A search for his alias, "Randall Gray", turns up about 1300 hits but none of them appear to be immediately related. How is it that this article should be kept, but other minor entertainment personalities deleted? What is distinctive about this particular individual? GRider\talk 20:09, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * The case may be that those other minor personalities have been noticed by the VfD squad before, and this one hasn't. Looking at his article (and the failed google test) I do not see anything notable enough to warrant inclusion, so I'd vote for delete. Radiant! 20:29, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No relevant Google hits. And I can't find a listing for him in the Internet Movie Database. If no Google and no IMDB, then no Wikipedia. Zzyzx11 23:49, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. GRider, if you believe there are other articles that should be deleted, please list them here as well. JoaoRicardo 07:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable - zero Google hits. Megan1967 09:19, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: promo, nonnotable. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:38, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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User talk:Diana Kremer

Cordonata
Hi! I want to move the material you've put separately at Cordonata and add it to the "Michelangelo at the Campidoglio" subsection. If the urbanization at the Campidoglio eventually gets its own entry, surely the Cordonata needs to be part. Context. I wanted to see first whether you'd be very upset at my plan. --Wetman 20:10, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Ascender (typography)

In typography and handwriting, an ascender is the portion of a minuscule letter in a Latin-derived alphabet that extends above the mean line of a font. That is, the part of a lower-case letter that is taller than the font's x-height.

Ascenders, together with descenders, increase the recognizability of words. For this reason, many situations that require high legibility such as road signs avoid using solely capital letters (i.e. all-caps).

Studies made at the start of the construction of the British motorway network concluded that words with mixed-case letters were much easier to read than "all-caps" and a special font was designed for motorway signs. These then became universal across the UK. See Road signs in the United Kingdom.

In many fonts intended for body text, such as Bembo and Garamond, ascenders rise above the cap height of the capital letters.

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Tommy Seebach

Tommy Seebach (14 September 1949 – 31 March 2003), born Tommy Seebach Mortensen in Copenhagen, Denmark, was a popular Danish singer, composer, organist, pianist and producer. He is best known as front man of Sir Henry and his Butlers and for numerous contributions to the Danish qualifier for the Eurovision Song Contest, the Dansk Melodi Grand Prix, which he won three times. He was the father of songwriter/producer Nicolai Seebach and singer/songwriter/producer Rasmus Seebach.

Musical beginnings
Seebach began his musical career as an organist in his own group "The Colours" at age 14. In the following years he played in many pop and beat groups. He played the piano with various orchestras and groups, sometimes going under the name of "Boogie-Woogie-Tommy". He gained mainstream popularity in Denmark in 1965, when he became a member of the band Sir Henry and his Butlers, writing many of their most popular hits. He also worked as a recording engineer at the Rosenberg Studio in Copenhagen and amongst other projects recorded the Icecross album there in 1973.

Solo career
In 1976 he emerged as a successful solo artist. His hit album "Tommygum" was released in 1977. It was at this time that he recorded and performed "Apache".

Eurovision Song Contest
Seebach competed seven times in the Dansk Melodi Grand Prix. Only one other act, the Hot Eyes, has ever won the competition three times.

In 1979, his song "Disco Tango", coauthored with Keld Heick, and performed by Seebach, came in as no 1. Finishing 6th at the Eurovision Song Contest 1979, it became a major hit both in Denmark and other European countries. A friendship with fellow contenders Black Lace (UK entry) led to Tommy, producing the single "Hey Hey Jock McCray" for the band, released the following year in Denmark by EMI.

In 1980, his song "Bye-Bye", performed by the duo Lecia & Lucienne, came in 7th.

In 1981, he won the competition once again, in a duet with Debbie Cameron. The song "Krøller eller ej", was also coauthored with Keld Heick. Translated as "Straight or Curly Hair", it finished 11th at Eurovision Song Contest 1981. Cameron has later alleged that Denmark and Israel had been among countries whose sound checks had been sabotaged in order to bring The UK's Bucks Fizz to victory.

In 1982, his song "Hip hurra det’ min fødselsdag" ("Hip hip hurray, this is my birthday"), performed by himself, came in second.

In 1984, "Pyjamas for to" ("Pyjamas for two") came in fourth.

In 1985, "Det’ det jeg altid har sagt" ("I always said this") came in second.

In 1987, "Det’ gratis" came in fourth.

In 1993, Seebach won the competition again, performing the song "Under stjernerne på himlen" ("Under the stars of the sky"), written together with Keld Heick. He had submitted the song several times before, but had been turned down. At the time, the public interest in the Song Contest, deemed cheesy by the cultural elite, was fading, and as an icon of the contest, Seebach's popularity had been on the wane for some time. It has been alleged that Danmarks Radio had originally turned the song down out of fear that Seebach, who had developed a severe addiction to alcohol, would cause a scandal at the performance. When the song came in as a secure no. 1, his popularity soared for a while, but only to drop dramatically, when the song finished 22nd out of 25 songs at Eurovision Song Contest 1993, receiving only 9 points. The poor result meant that Denmark did not qualify for the ESC 1994, and Seebach was widely criticized, after experiencing a brief rise in popularity, and never competed again.

He had a big hit in 1989 with the duet "Du skælder mig hele tiden ud" ("You're Always Yelling at Me"), sung with Annette Heick, Keld Heick's daughter. They followed up this success with two more singles and a Christmas album.

After the Eurovision Song Contest
The 1990s were lean years for him as a performer and recording artist. He had a comeback with the release of a disco-version of "Krøller eller ej" released in 1999, as well as the release of a compilation album. He toured the country's discothèques at that time and found cult interest in his old hits among a new, younger audience.

Personal life
Seebach was married for many years to Karen Seebach; they had three children, Nicolai Seebach, Rasmus Seebach and Marie. The marriage broke down when Seebach developed a serious addiction to alcohol. His son wrote a song about him called "Den jeg er" ("Who I am"), stating what a major influence his father had in his life in spite of his addiction.

He died at the age of 53 at the amusement park Bakken, where he had been head of musical entertainment for several years. Although he had managed to overcome his alcoholism at the time, the cause of his death, a heart attack, was ascribed to his previous addiction.

The documentary Tommy
2010 saw the launch of Tommy, director Sami Saif's documentary on Seebach's life. Featuring many of Seebach's private videos, as well as television clips and interviews with his widow, children and colleagues in the industry, it documents his public performances and private life, focusing both on his successes and his personal demise.

Tommy received four stars out of six by Politiken, Berlingske Tidende and Ekstra Bladet; B.T. awarded it six stars out of six. Dagbladet Information described it as "... a story of an artist who became a victim of the musical genre which he himself had helped innovate, and who, instead of gaining the broad recognition he had longed for his entire life, ended up with a status somewhere in between national heritage and kitsch clown..." Politiken called the film "worthy, worth seeing and moving", Ekstra Bladet "a moving portrait of a man caught between the music, his family and the bottle".

Albums (solo)

 * 1975: Wheels
 * 1976: Lucky Guy
 * 1977: Tommygum
 * 1979: Disco Tango (Album)
 * 1981: Love On The Line (as Tommy Seebach feat. Debbie Cameron)
 * 1983: Den Med Gyngen
 * 1983: Tommy Seebach Instrumental
 * 1986: Pop-korn
 * 1989: Tommy Seebach (album)
 * 1993: Under stjernerne på himlen (Album) (as Tommy Seebach Band)
 * 1993: Instrumental Megahits 1
 * 1994: Instrumental Megahits 2

Compilations

 * 1989: Glædelig jul
 * 1993: Tommy Seebach - Volume 1
 * 1993: Tommy Seebach - Volume 2
 * 1999: 15 sprøde fra Tvebach
 * 2004: 100 Go'e Med Tommy Seebach
 * 2007: Hip Hurra
 * 2007: Glade jul (album)
 * 2009: For Fuld Musik: Det Bedste Med Tommy Seebach
 * 2010: Komplet & rariteter: De samlede værker
 * 2010: ''Tommy - En Film Om Tommy Seebach - Soundtrack (released as part of the DVD (Deluxe Edition))

With Sir Henry and his Butlers

 * 1967: Camp

With Los Valentinos

 * 1974: In Action!

Singles (solo)

 * 1973: Promises/By The Way
 * 1974: Boom Boom Boom/Don't Blame Me
 * 1975: The King Of Rock 'n' Roll/Rock, Rock & Rock
 * 1975: Wheels/Lesson One
 * 1976: Lucky Guy/Wouldn't It Be So Nice
 * 1976: I'm In Love/Play Me A Love Song
 * 1977: Tommygum Rock 'n' Roll Show/Yes Or No
 * 1977: Apache/Bubble Sex
 * 1979: Disco Tango/Disco Tango (English Version)
 * 1979: Copenhagen (As Seebach Band feat. Debbie Cameron & Lecia & Lucienne)/Boogie-Woogie Rendez-Vous (as Seebach Band)
 * 1980: Smiling Turntable (as Seebach Band feat. Debbie Cameron)/Mirror Mirror (as Seebach Band feat. Debbie Cameron)
 * 1980: I See The Moon (Duet with Debbie Cameron)/Stuck On You (Duet with Debbie Cameron) (AUS #72)
 * 1981: Hit/Love On The Line
 * 1981: Krøller Eller Ej (Duet with Debbie Cameron)/Jeg En Går Mig Bygge Vil (Debbie Cameron)
 * 1981: Straight Or Curly Hair (Duet with Debbie Cameron)/Tiger
 * 1981: Telebox/Telebox (TV Version)
 * 1982: Hip Hurra, Det' Min Fødselsdag (As Tommy Seebach & Seebach Band) (feat. Vivian Johansen)/Ta' Mig Med
 * 1982: 100.000.000 Tak (as Mick & Seebach Band)/Kvinde
 * 1983: Snorkel Og Gummitæer/Andeby
 * 1983: Du' Det Dejligste/Vil Du, Tør Du, Ka' Du Eller Hvad?
 * 1984: Pyjamas For To/Morgen
 * 1985: Heldig Fyr (Det' Det Jeg Altid Har Sagt)/Humbug
 * 1986: Klø Mig Lidt På Ryggen/Tak For I Nat, Skat
 * 1986: Der Var En Gang En Julenat/Hvornår Bli'r Det Jul? (Søren Bundgaard)
 * 1987: Det' Gratis/Endnu
 * 1988: Er Du Kvik? (With Birthe Kjær, Kirsten & Søren (a/k/a Hot Eyes) & Keld & Hilda Heick)/Er Du Kvik?
 * 1989: Hvad Venter Du På?/Helt Alene Hver For Sig
 * 1989: Du Skælder Mig Hele Tiden Ud (Duet With Anette Heick)/Stop
 * 1989: Vi Ønsker Jer Alle En Glædelig Jul (Duet with Anette Heick)/Juleknus Og Juleknas
 * 1990: En Lille Stribe Solskin/Du Skal Ikke Tro På Noget
 * 1991: Feliz Navidad (as Tommy Snebachs Nisseband)/Vi Ønsker Jer Alle En Glædelig Jul
 * 1993: Under Stjernerne På Himlen (promotion)
 * 1998: Krøller Eller Ej '98 (Duet With Debbie Cameron) (CD-single)
 * 1999: Skru' Volumen Op (as G-Bach (Nikolaj & Rasmus Seebach) & Julie Rugaard og Senior (Tommy Seebach) on piano)

DVDs

 * 2010: Tommy – En Film Om Tommy Seebach
 * 2010: Tommy – En Film Om Tommy Seebach (Deluxe Edition incl. CD)

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Texas Archive War

The Texas Archive War was an 1842 dispute over an attempted move of the Republic of Texas national archives from Austin to Houston and, more broadly, over President Sam Houston's efforts to re-establish Houston as the capital of Texas.

Background
The Republic of Texas was formed in 1836. As the Texas Revolution continued, the papers that documented the workings of the interim government accompanied government officials as they evacuated to various towns to stay in front of the Mexican Army. After the war ended in April, Columbia became the nation's capital city, and the archives were located there. The center of government and the archives were then moved to Houston after it was legislated to be the capital of Texas on December 15, 1836.

In 1839, Mirabeau B. Lamar became President of Texas. Under his influence, the Texas Congress authorized the establishment of a planned city to serve as the seat of government. The new city, Austin, was at the edge of the frontier, near several hostile native tribes, with no easy way to get supplies. Proponents of the move predicted that when the rest of the nation was settled, Austin would be the population center.

The opposition, led by former President Sam Houston, wanted the government to remain near the current population center, along the Gulf Coast. The nation's archives were moved to Austin between August 26 and October 14, 1839. Fifty wagons were used. Lamar and his cabinet arrived on October 17. Over the next several years, the Comanche staged several raids near Austin. Citizens in the Houston area and the Houston Morning Star editorial board used them as evidence to support their argument that the capital and the archives should be returned to Houston.

Sam Houston was elected president again in September 1841, but did not start his second term until the December of 1841. His margin of victory was so large that he assumed a mandate to implement his priorities, including moving the capital. Congress continued to reject proposals to move the archives.

Prelude
Congress adjourned in February 1842. The following month, Mexican troops, under General Rafael Vásquez, invaded Texas. By March 5, over 1,000 Mexican soldiers were camped in San Antonio. Several days later, a committee of vigilance in Austin recommended martial law and ordered residents to evacuate. A small number of people remained. President Houston returned to the city that bore his name.

Vásquez retreated after a few days. Sam Houston may not have known of that, and on March 10, he ordered George Washington Hockley, Secretary of War, to move the archives to Houston. As justification, he cited the part of the Constitution of the Republic of Texas that stated, "The president and heads of departments shall keep their offices at the seat of government, unless removed by the permission of Congress, or unless, in case of emergency in time of war, the public interest may require their removal."

Colonel Henry Jones, the military commander in Austin, convened a group of citizens to discuss Houston's order. Public sentiment was that Austin was safe and that Houston's departure had created a lack of confidence in the city, which had resulted in devalued real estate. On March 16, the committee of vigilance resolved that removing the archives was against the law. It formed a patrol at Bastrop to search every wagon and to seize any government records found. Sam Houston's private secretary, W.D. Miller, wrote to him that Austin residents "would much rather take their rifles to prevent a removal [of the archives] than to fight Mexicans." To resolve the issue, the president called a special session of Congress, which convened in Houston on June 27, 1842. Congress took no action to move the capital.

Conflict
In September 1842, General Arián Woll led another Mexican expedition into Texas and temporarily captured San Antonio. Houston convened the Seventh Texas Congress at Washington-on-the-Brazos. In his introductory remarks, Houston demanded that Congress support the removal of the archives over the protests of the "seditious" citizens of Austin and asserted that "as to the propriety and necessity of the act no reasonable doubt could exist." On December 9, Senator Greer proposed "A Bill to provide for the safety of the National Archives." The vote to suspend the rules to allow the bill to pass quickly resulted in a tie. Senate President Edward Burleson, who did not like Sam Houston, cast the deciding vote against the bill. Undeterred, on December 10, Greer introduced another bill to move the Texas General Land Office. He left blank the name of the city to which the office should be moved, which resulted in weeks of debate as to which city should be so honored.

On December 10, Houston privately tasked Colonel Thomas I. Smith and Captain Eli Chandler with moving the nation's archives to Washington-on-the-Brazos. Houston wrote, "The importance of removing the public archives and government stores from their present dangerous situation at the City of Austin to a place of security, is becoming daily more and more imperative. While they remain where they are, no one knows the hour when they may be utterly destroyed." The men were encouraged to raise a small troop on the premise of conducting an excursion against the native tribes and then to secure the archives quickly and to transport them.

Smith led over 20 men and 3 wagons into Austin the morning of December 30, 1842. The men were almost finished loading the wagons with papers when they were noticed by Angelina Eberly, the owner of a nearby boarding house. Eberly ran to Congress Avenue, where a six-pound howitzer was situated. She turned the small cannon toward the General Land Office and fired it. Although some shot hit the General Land Office, there was no real damage, and no one was injured.

Smith and his men left quickly and headed northeast to avoid the men patrolling the road through Bastrop. They were accompanied by two clerks from the General Land Office, who were tasked with ensuring the General Land Office records were not harmed or modified. Their progress was slow since a downpour made roads almost impassable for the already slowly-moving oxen. The group managed to travel 18 mi before it stopped for the night at Kinney's Fort, along Brushy Creek.

In Walnut Creek, north of Austin, some of Houston's agents were surpassed by angry citizens who then recovered some of the stolen documents and returned them to Austin.

In Austin, Captain Mark Lewis gathered a group of men to retrieve the archives. Some of the pursuers had no horses, and some had little or no weaponry. Lewis's men reached Smith's encampment in the middle of the night. They were undetected since Smith had neglected to post guards. On the morning of December 31, the records were returned to Austin. It is uncertain as to whether Smith's men took them back, or the Austin group took custody of the records and transported them.

Aftermath
The Texas House of Representatives formed a committee to investigate the attempted transferral of the archives. The committee admonished President Houston for his actions in trying to move the capital from Austin without the approval of Congress. A Senate committee reported that they did not agree that Austin should be the capital, but without an immediate threat to the city, Houston had no legal reason to move the records. In 1843, the Senate voted that the archives should be moved if there was not peace with Mexico. The vote was again tied, but this time Burleson cast his deciding vote in favor of the bill. The Texas House rejected it.

The Senate also issued a resolution encouraging Houston to move the governmental agencies back to Austin. Nevertheless, the legislature and government offices continued to run from Washington-on-the-Brazos. Former president Lamar received a letter in March 1843 that said the town of Austin was almost deserted; most businesses were closed, but the archives were still present.

On July 4, 1845, a convention met in Austin to consider the annexation of Texas to the United States. At that time, the governmental records created in Washington-on-the-Brazos were transferred to Austin, creating a single archive.

A bronze statue of Angelina Eberly was placed on Congress Avenue in downtown Austin in the summer of 2004.

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J. Johnston Pettigrew

James Johnston Pettigrew (July 4, 1828 – July 17, 1863) was an American author, lawyer, and soldier. He served in the army of the Confederate States of America, fighting in the 1862 Peninsula Campaign and played a prominent role in the Battle of Gettysburg. Despite starting the Gettysburg Campaign commanding a brigade, Pettigrew took over command of his division after the division's original commander, Henry Heth, was wounded. In this role, Pettigrew was one of three division commanders in the disastrous assault known as Pickett's Charge on the final day of Gettysburg. He was wounded, in the right hand, during the Pickett-Pettigrew Charge on July 3, 1863 and was later mortally wounded during the Union Confederate rearguard action while the Confederates retreated to Virginia near Falling Waters, Virginia (now West Virginia) on July 14, dying several days thereafter on July 17, 1863.

Early years
Johnston Pettigrew was born at his family's estate, "Bonarva," in Tyrrell County, North Carolina, on July 4, 1828. His father was from a wealthy family of French Huguenot background. One of Pettigrew's cousins, John Gibbon, would later become a major general for the Union during the Civil War. When he was fifteen, Pettigrew enrolled at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he had a distinguished academic career. He earned praise for his achievements from President James K. Polk, who appointed him an assistant professor at the United States Naval Observatory. Pettigrew studied law, traveled to Europe, and eventually moved to Charleston, South Carolina, where he worked in the legal field with his uncle, James Louis Petigru. He was also an author, writing a book about the culture of Spain titled Notes on Spain and the Spaniards in the Summer of 1859, With a Glance at Sardinia.

Returning to the United States, Pettigrew was elected to the South Carolina House of Representatives in 1856. While in office, he presented a report opposing the resumption of the international slave trade, which, along with his participation as a second in a duel, lead to Pettigrew losing his reelection attempt. Believing that civil war in the United States was inevitable and that the war would be long, rather than short as most expected, Pettigrew was active in milita affairs. He also traveled to Europe in 1859 to participate in the Second Italian War of Independence but saw no combat. In November 1860, Pettigrew became a colonel in a South Carolina militia unit. After the secession of South Carolina, Pettigrew became a military aide to the state's governor. Pettigrew ordered the occupation of Castle Pinckney, and was stationed with the South Carolina forces at Charleston Harbor through the Battle of Fort Sumter in April 1861.

Civil War
When war began, Pettigrew joined the Hampton Legion as a private. In July 1861, he was elected colonel of the 22nd North Carolina Infantry Regiment. Confederate President Jefferson Davis urged him to accept higher command, but he declined because of his lack of military experience. Despite this inexperience, Pettigrew was promoted to brigadier general by Jefferson Davis during the lead-up to the Peninsula Campaign.

Peninsula Campaign
During the Peninsula Campaign in the summer of 1862, Pettigrew was severely wounded at the Battle of Seven Pines. He was hit by a Minié ball that damaged his throat, windpipe, and shoulder. Pettigrew nearly bled to death, and while lying wounded, he received another bullet wound in the arm and was bayoneted in the right leg. Believing his wounds to be fatal, Pettigrew refused to be taken from the field. However, he recovered consciousness as a Union prisoner of war. Exchanged two months later, the general recovered from his wounds, spent the fall commanding a brigade in Maj. Gen. Daniel Harvey Hill's division around Richmond, and in the winter commanded a brigade in North Carolina and southern Virginia. In mid-March 1863, Pettigrew led attacking Confederate troops in an unsuccessful assault in the Battle of Fort Anderson. He returned to his North Carolina brigade just in time to begin the Gettysburg Campaign in June 1863.

Gettysburg Campaign
The Confederate War Department had assigned Pettigrew's Brigade to Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, and Pettigrew traveled northward to join Lee's army. Pettigrew's brigade, along with the brigades of James Jay Archer, John M. Brockenbrough, and Joseph R. Davis, was assigned to Major General Henry Heth's division of Lt. Gen. A. P. Hill's Third Corps. Both Heth's division and Hill's corps were new organizations, having been created as part of Lee's reorganization following the death of Stonewall Jackson. Pettigrew's Brigade was the strongest in Heth's division. Freshly uniformed and armed with rifles from state military depots, his regiments presented a fine military appearance during the march through Maryland and Pennsylvania. Some of his regimental officers were also members of the North Carolina planter aristocracy, including Colonel Collett Leventhorpe leading the 11th North Carolina Infantry and twenty-one-year-old Harry Burgwyn at the head of the 26th North Carolina Regiment, the largest Confederate regiment at Gettysburg. Not having been in serious combat for nearly a year, his brigade mustered a strength over 2,500 officers and men.

Pettigrew's Brigade tangled with the Iron Brigade on July 1, 1863, at the McPherson and Herbst farms to the west of Gettysburg, where all four of his regiments suffered devastating losses—over 40 percent—but were successful in driving the Union forces off of McPherson's Ridge. That afternoon, General Heth suffered a head wound that kept him out of action, and Pettigrew took over command of the battered division.

On July 3, 1863, Gen. Lee selected Pettigrew's division to march at the left of Maj. Gen. George Pickett's in the famous infantry assault popularly known as Pickett's Charge. Pettigrew's old brigade, now commanded by James K. Marshall, had been roughly handled on the first day of the battle, and was not in good condition for the charge.

Pettigrew's division ran into a heavy fire from Union general Alexander Hays' division, which was posted on Cemetery Ridge. Birkett Fry, now commanding James Archer's brigade was wounded, Marshall was killed. Pettigrew's division suffered heavy casualties and were unable to break Hays' line. The division was driven off, and Pettigrew had his horse shot out from under him, requiring him to lead his division on foot. Pettigrew also suffered a painful arm wound.

During the Confederate retreat from Gettysburg, Pettigrew remained in command until Heth recovered. Stopped by the flooded Potomac River at Falling Waters, West Virginia, Pettigrew's brigade (temporarily combined with Archer's former brigade) was deployed as a rear guard unit. Union cavalry probed the southern defenses throughout the night as Lee's army crossed the pontoon bridges into West Virginia. On the morning of July 14, 1863, Pettigrew's brigade was one of the last Confederate units still north of the Potomac River when the Union attacked his position. On foot and in the front line, Pettigrew was directing his soldiers when he was shot by a Union cavalryman from the Michigan Brigade at close range, the bullet striking him in the abdomen. He was immediately carried to the rear and across the Potomac, having refused to be left in federal hands. He died three days later at Edgewood Manor plantation near Bunker Hill, West Virginia, likely due to peritonitis. His brigade, which lost an estimated 56% casualties, had been ruined as an effective combat organization.

Legacy
An official day of mourning was held for him in North Carolina. His death also affected Lee, who remarked: "The army has lost a brave soldier and the Confederacy an accomplished officer." General Pettigrew's body was returned to North Carolina and interred at his family estate, "Bonarva", which is now part of Pettigrew State Park in Washington and Tyrrell Counties.

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