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Talk:Bugzilla

History
Under this section is found Under Tara's leadership, some of the regular contributors were coerced into taking more responsibility, - I'm curious as to what "more responsibility means" it is rather vague and unclear to me.Dan Aquinas (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

To Do
Er, I know this is a lame question. but could Bugzilla be a "to do" tracking system for a person?
 * I don't see why not.   — J I P | Talk 08:02, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I would second that opinion, although it might be overkill for that task - depends on how elegant/complex you want to be. Dan Aquinas (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Origin

 * Bugzilla is a general-purpose bug-tracking tool originally developed and used by the Mozilla Foundation.

Wasn't Bugzilla developed before Mozilla was open sourced, under the auspices of Netscape? --Bletch 01:06, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

The earliest mentioning of the word Bugzilla that I found was in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, in season 4, episode 21, minute 16: Michelangelo (watching TV): "Not yet, dudes, Bugzilla is about to cream the giant snail!"

I've got a really BAD bug
I've got a "Sock Bug" so bad it'll make Bugzilla puke. It keeps turning up like a bad penny.Martial Law 07:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Its a real nasty one. Martial Law 07:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Odd history removal
Ok, I remember that this page had a link to Bugzilla. However, now it doesn't and the edit history reveals nothing. What happened? - Slash - μιλώ 05:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Feature Requests
Why does this redirect from Feature Requests, maybe its just me, but I fail to make the connection Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman (Talk) 22:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Zarro Boogs found
'Zarro Boogs found' is actually a variable in the Bugzilla templates. Therefore, you can change the message displayed.

--onekopaka (talk) 18:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Article seems a bit short.
Anyone else think so? It isnt exactly a stub, but I would still consider it too short to give me much more than a general overview of what to program is.

Zell Faze (talk) 21:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

When was the first release?
The intro and history paragraph say it was first released in 1998. The infobox says 2001, with a date not mentioned elsewhere in the article. Which is it? --Golbez (talk) 16:41, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I was brave and changed the date to 1998. The date is also mentioned in http://www.bugzilla.org/news/#release30 which references a newsgroup post (which I referenced in the article) supporting the 1998 date. 195.67.23.115 (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Merged Zarro boogs into Bugzilla
I've merged Zarro boogs into this article, as the term has no independent notability. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 11:40, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Redirect: WONTFIX
"WONTFIX" redirects here but this page contains no information about or mention of WONTFIX. Hyacinth (talk) 02:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Bugzilla as slang
I belong to several support forums and mailing lists, most of them Fedora related, but not all. In all of them, I've seen members told to "file a bugzilla" or "there's already a bugzilla for that," instead of using the more obvious (to the layman) "bug." I could easily support this with links to various threads on forums, but I'm not sure if that's the right type of citation for this. Thoughts? JDZeff (talk) 23:54, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It could be that they are using Bugzilla. Forums are not even WP:PRIMARY sources. There would be a lot of interpretation around such comments, so unless you could find a reliable source, we should not add it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Pentosan polysulphate

I've lebelled the first comment as fantasy. The family of CJD sufferer Jonathan Simms talk to the press regularly. The Department of Health does not not sanction pentosan treatment because of the very real risks and doubtful benfit (pentosan has known side-effects and must be administered by injection into the brain) but the Medical Research Council is monitoring patients who are receiving the drug.

Looking at the article, the section about DNA is irrelevant to pentosan polysulfate. It is taken verbatim from the Pentose Sugar web site and I wonder if there is a copyright issue as well. It should be deleted.

Jonathan Silverlight 21:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Fantasy
There is huge controversy in England, because this cheap drug is excluded from official govt. research due to pressure from pharmaceutical zaibatsus. Patients and families who use Pentosan it have been gagged under police duress in order not to reveal the magic effect of this tuppence drug. Down with secret government and God bless BBC, they are the ones who say the truth as usual: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4306351.stm

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Talk:Les Négresses Vertes

Source of group's name
The group's name translates as green negresses''; and arose from abuse hurled at the members at one of the group's first concerts. The insult is a comparison to the kitsch art of Vladimir Tretchikoff. ''

This statement above needs some kind of citation as it completely disagrees with other statements about the source of the name. For example here: http://musique.rfi.fr/artiste/chanson/negresses-vertes it says:

''L'appellation de Négresses Vertes a été trouvée, lors d'une bagarre dans un bal à l'été 87. En effet, les amis, dont les cheveux étaient colorés en vert pour l'occasion, se sont fait jeter dehors par des vigiles au cri de "Sortez d'ici les négresses vertes…". L'insulte les fait beaucoup rire et ils l'adoptent comme nom de groupe. '' I translate this as:

''The name Négresses Vertes was found during fight at a dance in the summer of '87. The friends had dyed their hair green for the occasion and were kicked out of the ball by security with the cry: "Get the green negresses out of here". This insult made them laugh and they adopted it as the name of the group. ''

Untitled
I added their recent album to the discography section, and a date next to their second album. You see, I'm actually really nice when I want to be. Baba p.s. I also added a bit more about the musical style, the year they came into existence (as a band, that is) and a sentence about the drugs overdose. I hope I added something of worth to the article, if so, the stuff about musical style, instruments, rhythm etc. was me, but most of the other stuff was taken from the 'a l'affliche' album insert and from the French article. Have a nice day. p.p.s. You should really try pretzels dipped in yoghurt, it's really nice. (delete that bit if you want...)

I've added in all the single releases - there are a lot more remix CDs and collaborations out there as well, which could be added - zigzague.

WikiProject class rating
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Tord Pedersson (Bonde)

Tord Pedersson (Bonde) (died May 1470) was the un-ordained Archbishop of Uppsala from 1468 to 1469. He was born as Tord Pedersson, but since his mother was of the Bonde family, he would often use this name in addition to his own.

He studied at the University of Leipzig in 1437–1439 and received a Bachelor of Arts. After returning home, he became dean in Linköping. His mother had a connection to the king Charles VIII of Sweden, which is believed to have been the reason for this promotion.

In 1467, the Archbishop of Uppsala died, and on the King's recommendation, Tord Pedersson was elected as his successor. He moved to Almarestäket and filled the chair as Archbishop. However, Pope Paul II did not approve this elevation, and requested that Pedersson be replaced by Jakob Ulvsson. Pedersson was replaced on 18 December 1469. Not long thereafter, Tord Pedersson died.

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German Emergency Acts

The German Emergency Acts (Notstandsgesetze) were passed on 30 May 1968 at the time of the First Grand Coalition between the Social Democratic Party of Germany and the Christian Democratic Union of Germany. It was the 17th constitutional amendment to the Basic Law, adding emergency clauses to ensure the federal government's ability to act in crises such as natural disasters, uprisings or war.

The inclusion of emergency laws in the German Basic Law was one condition imposed by the Allies before they would transfer full sovereignty to the Federal Republic of Germany after the Second World War. This was in order to ensure the safety of their troops still stationed in Germany.

On 27 May 1968 the Allied Control Council declared that they would give up their right of control (Vorbehaltsrecht) if the Emergency Acts were passed. On 30 May, when the law was voted on, the FDP was the only party to stand firm against their introduction. Of the Grand Coalition, 54 members also voted against them. The laws came into effect on 28 June 1968, marking the end of the special powers the Allied forces had been given over Germany in the Statute of Occupation of 21 September 1949.

The passing of the Emergency Acts was preceded by fierce domestic political debates, which contributed to the establishment of the APO ("Außerparlamentarische Opposition", lit. 'Extraparliamentary Opposition'). The critics of the Emergency Acts referred to the catastrophic effects of the emergency decrees of the Weimar Republic (Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution), which gave the President of the Reich extensive powers in the event of an unspecified emergency.

Contents
The Emergency Acts regulate the state of emergency, the state of defence, the state of tension and disaster events. A state of emergency can come into effect when an external threat impedes a normal democratic decision-making process. The Joint Committee then assumes essential parliamentary functions.

The emergency clauses include regulations in the Basic Law regarding:

 * Article 10 (Restriction of the fundamental rights of the secrecy of letters, post and telecommunications)
 * Article 11 (Restriction of the fundamental right to freedom of movement)
 * Article 12a (Conscription, alternative service, compulsory service for defense purposes, including the protection of the civilian population in a state of defence)
 * Article 20 paragraph 4 (Right of resistance)
 * Article 53a (Emergency legislation by the Joint Committee)
 * Article 115 (State of defence)
 * Article 81 (Legislative emergency)

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MediaWiki talk:Sharedupload-desc-here

Which version
What i liked about the new version of the shared upload notice was that it didn't place such an emphasis on who hosted the content (largely irrelevant), that it was free content and so on, it was just a short, to the point notice with two links, one bold which pointed you to the image description page on the commons.

I feel that the user interface here in general is a bit to prone to creeping featurism, the longer this message is the less efficient it can be at its original purpose, to direct whoever goes to an image page to its description page on the commons.

For reference here are the two versions of the message: —Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 09:38, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Tag for images on commons. Basically someone was concerned that the message didn't indicate that Commons was all free content and didn't indicate where licensing and authorship information might be found. "Image description page" is, after all, a bit of Wikipedia jargon that the average reader might or might not figure out. If it's necessary to keep it short and sweet, while still incorporating these vital points, I'd suggest:

This omits the fact that the Commons is a Wikimedia project, which isn't essential, but keeps the two important points: the content is free, and the important information is on the Commons page. —Charles P. (Mirv) 18:31, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the link Free content is not needed. Every additional link distracts from the really important one to the image description page. The details of free is described there anyway. -- Chris 73 Talk 13:31, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

 * The current version is fine. --Meno25 02:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Image description page -> file description page
Would it not be better (for instance, for ) to have the text reading file description page rather than image description page? I know the namespace is currently, although I hope this might, in the future, change to. Cheers, Smoddy (tgec) 18:17, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Proposed updates

 * 1) I think "its" should not be part of the link to the image description page. If i wasn't here for #2 anyway, I would have just been bold and done it..
 * 2) The word "copied" should be changed to "shown". I remember, when I was newer, this made me think that someone manually copied the page, and that it may be out dated.

What do you all think of that? -- Phroziac (talk) 23:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me... especially #2 as it makes more sense than the current message.  Sasquatch  t|c 23:22, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me as well. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  18:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

please change to:
Image:Commons-logo.svg --Paddyez 16:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

trying to raise proife of commons
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change the thing to this User:Geni/temp so that people relise there is a project they can contributr to.Geni 23:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree that something along those lines (maybe a slight rewording) would be useful. The current notice links to the Commons but doesn't actually say what it is; many Wikipedia readers don't even know there are other Wikimedia projects. Sure, there are the sister project links at the bottom of the Main Page and in other places, but people often don't notice them. Being as it is directly relevant to the Commons, this is a good place to have such a message – Qxz 23:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Has been done (by Raul654, he forgot to remove the – Qxz 02:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

correction on the link it should point to commons:Commons:Upload/en rather than Upload/en.Geni 03:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cbrown1023 talk 22:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Commons:Commons:Welcome would be a better page for a "You can help" link, really - David Gerard 16:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Tl:dr. Just too much text there. commons:Commons:Upload/en at least gets yu dirrectly into things.Geni 17:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt people will just upload something if they don't first have some idea of what the Commons is. Also, there are ways of helping Commons other than uploading images. Commons:Welcome mentions those ways, Commons:Upload does not. ssepp(talk) 23:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

"Please do not categorize this file locally"
"Please do not categorize this file locally"

The above addition to the template was not discussed before being added recently by Yonatan. Please see this diff:

The edit summary was: "files should be categorized on commons, not locally in 99.9% of cases (ie. every case except for en.wp featured images"

This is incorrect. This addition should be removed pending discussion. I have started a discussion here:
 * commons:Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard

Please continue discussion there mostly, in order to avoid duplication and confusion in the talk threads.--Timeshifter 13:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. I undid the edit while discussion continues. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Timeshifter 03:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Link to Wikimedia Commons
I want to suggest that instead of linking to the home page, we link to Wikimedia Commons. --Steinninn 01:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

protected edit request
Apply the "plainlinks" class to this message, to hide the external link icon on the "edit" link, which is actually an inter-project link, thus:

-- Gurch (talk) 21:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Though I didn't use your code, as it was broken. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Imbox
editprotected Please replace the page with the following code: Thanks. —Ms2ger (talk) 17:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ X clamation point  03:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh no no. The loss of complete screen width means that you lose the commons as sort of elsewhere vibe. The extra high is bad the stronger colours distact from the other stuff on the page and the extra hight is undesirable. The tex formating also becomes an issue.Geni 04:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Huh? I know you're a fair site more intelligible on IRC. --Izno (talk) 04:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Sort version the graphic design on the new version sucks and the change should not have been made without debate first.Genisock2 (talk) 05:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I reverted the edit, since this needs more discussion.
 * For reference, here is how this message looked with the imbox code:

 * And here is how this message used to look and how it now looks again since I reverted:

 * I agree with Geni here. I don't think this message should use the imbox (even though I was the one who designed the imbox). The imbox was designed for "image message boxes" that are placed on image pages, usually by humans. But the sharedupload message is an automatic system message and is placed at the very top, something I call a "header message box". Header and footer message boxes usually use 100% width and the table of content colours. See for instance MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer, MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon, MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext and the automatic category footer box at the bottom of pages who have some category.
 * However, this message currently uses somewhat clumsy code. I would like to update it to use the mbox compatible fmbox instead. That is the "footer and header message box" and it was designed especially for this kind of messages. It is mbox compatible in the sense that it uses the same padding and the same parameters as the other mboxes do, like for instance the ambox and the imbox. Then it would look for instance like this:

 * Note that these examples look very different depending on screen resolution. So to get the complete picture you need to try it in some different screen resolutions.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 08:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

 * ✅ Done - I finally got around to do this update. This message now uses the fmbox, so it now matches the other system messages. But I added a

 around the text inside it, to give it more top and bottom text padding, so it looks a bit more like the old version.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 10:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Icon
I've placed a small Commons icon on the template, that appears in the top right corner for every image that is being pulled from Commons. This makes it much more readily apparent what the source is. Ideally, it would link to the Commons File: page, but I couldn't get the magic words to work with the image map. *shrug*

Anyway, I realize I'm implementing it without much discussion. WP:BOLD and all that jazz. Feel free to revert, discuss, or heap praise upon me as the spirit moves you (the third is my personal preference). EVula // talk // ☯  // 21:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sparely documented image syntax. — Dispenser 18:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, thank you. I'd never seen "link" be used in an image tag... very handy. EVula // talk // ☯  // 18:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's new. I can't find the documentation, there's also alt=. The other way is to use  .  — Dispenser 18:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Link to secure server
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I log in to Wikipedia via the secure server and unfortunately this template liks me to the unsecure page on Commons. I would like to change

to

(or something smarter using and/or  so that the one link that is used points to the unsecure Commons-site for users coming from an unsecure login from Wikipedia, and points to the secure Commons-site for users coming from a secure login from Wikipedia). --Bensin (talk) 21:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I have been looking for a day to find a method to keep a commons interwiki link on the secure server, but it's just not working. I don't think it's a good idea to provide two links either. It might be confusing to other users. There are scripts that can help you keep on the secure server, automatically translating http:// links to wikimedia servers to https secure links. User:Anakin101/alwayssecurewikipedia.js for instance does this. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 10:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the tip! What if we put the link in the bottom right corner and specify that is leads to the secure server? --Bensin (talk) 13:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

 * This would be a great feature to request at bugzilla. Making all interwiki links automatically link to the secure server would be awesome. --- RockMFR 16:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course you should still file a bug. — Dispenser 18:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Done. Good work Dispenser ! BTW the bug for this is 5440. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 18:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Thank you! --Bensin (talk) 02:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Dispenser: Thanks for the code you showed here. It inspired me to make the template sec link auto and write Secure server. And now I have applied to the rest of the links in this interface message. I am also applying it to many other places, like the Main Page. See Wikipedia talk:Secure server.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Today Docu made several experimental edits to this interface message. His final version was using sec link image in a way it is not intended to and which removed the padlock from the link to the image on Commons. I reverted his edits.
 * I have asked him to come here to explain what he tried to achieve. And Docu: Don't do experimental edits on live interface messages, since any mistakes you do are instantly visible to all users. Instead you could have copied the code of this message to any image description page, edited it, and previewed it as much as you wanted.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 20:45, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Your version had generated broken links. Please don't do experimental edits to the interface. If you edit the interface, please make sure to test the changes before and after doing them. -- 签名 sig  at  20:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

 * sec link auto and sec link image for the most part internally use the same sub-templates to generate the actual links, so most likely also your version of MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here would be broken. But I have done extensive testing, as far as I can see works very well and handles page names with special characters and spaces etc fine. And I have tested MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here with such image names, it seems to work fine.
 * Docu: Can you describe in what way the links were broken? And can you point to some examples?
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 21:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I second David's opinion. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 00:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

 * David's last edit seems to have fixed the problem with his previous version. It might help if less sub-template calls were used to create the links in this template. -- 签名 sig  at  14:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I managed to re-create the bug with his previous version on test. It happens with file names including a comma (","). -- 签名 sig  at  14:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Ah, thanks for the bug report. I'll investigate that. Strange. And regarding the sub-templates: Right, sec link auto has several sub-templates. But on each usage it only calls two of them, one to create the link, and one to handle the link text. The reasons I broke out that functionality to sub-templates is that belongs to a family of templates which includes sec link and sec link image. Having those parts in sub-templates means those templates can use the same sub-templates, which means when they add another Wikimedia project we only need to do each edit in one place, not do the same update to all three of,  and . And it meant it was easier to properly debug each part.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 08:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

 * If you want to experiment, I left them on Test for now. Eventually, I should delete them there though. It took quite a few imports to get all of them ;). -- 签名 sig  at  10:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Always seperate link cases from usecases. The first uses PAGENAME, the second uses PAGENAMEE (extra e for 'encoded'). Double encoding is as bad as no encoding. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 12:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Docu: You are not very clear. What do you mean by "I left them on Test"?
 * TheDJ: Right, sec link auto internally does the "EE" conversion when needed. We should not feed "" to that template, instead we should feed "" without the "EE" part. It was my mistake, I reused parts of the old code in this system message when I added.
 * A simple test here shows the problem that Docu has discovered:

1: ++

2: ++

3: ++

4: ++

 * 1: ++

 * 2: ++

 * 4: ++

 * 5: ++

 * Oddly enough a double "EE" conversion of special characters like "ö" causes an empty string. But it doesn't seem to choke on comma or space.
 * Docu: So I am guessing that the image page you saw that had problems contained some special character in the image name. Could you please tell us what image it was?
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 15:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Suggested improved wording
editprotected Something always niggled me about the use of the same word in quick succession... Suggest changing it to ..

'This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below. '

I.e. change 'The description on' to 'Information from' since it is actually more than the description that is included ... Lee∴V (talk  •  contribs)  23:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. I agree on all accounts, as reflected in my edit summary. I thought of changing "shown" to "reproduced" as well but I don't want to mess with it too much.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

hi, please convert " " to " File: ", may this is not important for enwiki but is important for wikis that have not same namespace for files with commons and want copy from this template. thanks.--ebraminiotalk 21:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sharedupload
copied from User talk:TheDJ:

Hi,

You are the last one who edited MediaWiki:Sharedupload. When i see it at Special:AllMessages, it is identical to the source - "This file is from $1 and may be used by other projects.". But when go to the actual page, i see #REDIRECT MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here. Can you explain this?

Thank you. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki:Sharedupload is not actually used by the MediaWiki software anymore. Instead MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here and MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-there are used instead. I made it a redirect because there were many inbound links towards it from older discussions. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:33, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from LikeLakers2
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I see no reason to need the padlock.

LikeLakers2 (talk | Sign my guestbook!) 21:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. It's funny I never noticed those were there despite seeing this displayed on image pages thousands of times and having edited this page in the past.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, caused by a rewrite of sec link auto. We are going through an https:// setup change, so expect to see more of these 'weird' things the coming days that need to be sorted out. We used a lot of hacks in the past to workaround much of these issues. Those hacks will need to be adapted or removed altogether. And at which specific points might take a few days to figure out. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 22:18, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Unlinking of Commons-logo.svg
What do you think about unlinking the Commons logo or making the link point to the file on Commons like pt:MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here? I can imagine that a great deal of the the logo gets are from people looking for the Commons file, not the 1,024×1,376 version of the logo. jonkerz♠ 15:52, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

 * No answers since November; edit request added.
 * Can someone please add  to the image in the |image parameter. This will link the Commons logo to the file on Commons. Or, add   to disable the link (this is how it is done on ). Not linking the Commons logo should not be a copyright/attribution issue, since it's not CC-licenced and The Foundation owns the copyright. jonkerz ♠talk 13:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, could you please clarify it? Looking on the version on pt.wikipedia rather appears it's broken there and not here. Did you mean to fix the version on pt wiki? Petrb (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, hi again :)
 * I'm referring to the English version, MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here. pt is only used as an example.
 * The link does only not work on pt:MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here when you are viewing the interface page directly, because it needs parameters that only are available when the interface is transcluded. Take a look at any image, such as pt:Ficheiro:Kiwi_(Actinidia_chinensis)_1_Luc_Viatour.jpg, to see it in action. On the pt version, the Commons logo is linking the file on Commons. Compare it to our local version, File:Kiwi_(Actinidia_chinensis)_1_Luc_Viatour.jpg, here the logo is linking a larger version of the logo itself. jonkerz ♠talk 13:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I understand it now. Please start a request for comment / try to get a consensus so that we can get a feedback from community to see if this change is required or not, I don't really think this is a bug or something what needs to be urgently fixed. Thank you Petrb (talk) 14:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Village pump (technical). XXN, 10:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Italian version
Could you please edit the Italian version of Sharedupload-desc-here with this box?

Thanks in advance.--Carnby (talk) 14:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Surely this should be requested at it:Discussioni MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here? Admins on English Wikipedia don't necessarily have admin rights on Italian Wikipedia. I'm certain that I haven't got them. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * When I browse an image on English Wikipedia with Italian language interface there's a unpleasant text, when I browse the same page on Italian Wikipedia or English Wikipedia with English language interface there's a nice infobox. Check here --Carnby (talk) 15:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Where did the Italian text come from? It doesn't read well. What's wrong with "Questo file e la sua pagina di descrizione si trovano su Wikimedia Commons"? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:24, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you switch to Italian language interface in English language Wikipedia (en.wiki) you'll get an ugly line of text, whereas the English, Dutch, German, Norwegian interfaces of en.wiki (see above) have all a nice box. I would like to get a nice info box also for Italian language (in en.wiki, not in it.wiki where it's OK).--Carnby (talk) 12:47, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

When logged in I see a different (inferior) version of this
I see a line of text only that appears like this:

This file is from Wikimedia Commons and may be used by other projects. The description on its file description page there is shown below.

There's no pretty box around it, and the link is not a cross-wiki link, so it opens a new window every time. Annoying. Can anyone figure out where this is from? --99of9 (talk) 04:37, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Your language is probably set to en-gb or en-ca instead of en. Legoktm (talk) 04:18, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Marking the Commons icon as metadata
The Commons icon is picked up by Media Viewer as a second image on the page. It should have a  or   class. (Ideally, it should be unlinked / linked to Commons as proposed above, but the logo appearing in the Media Viewer image sequence is a bug so we should fix it by other means if there is no consensus for unlinking.) --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 00:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I gave it the  class. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 02:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 May 2021
Add alt text to the indicator (and maybe add something like this to the tooltip). Something like this:

"This file is hosted on the Wikimedia Commons. Click here to go to the file page at the Wikimedia Commons." Remagoxer (talk) 18:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ not needed, basically this same message is already right in the banner, with the link. Alt text is supposed to describe an indicator, and this is only decorative. —  xaosflux  Talk 00:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

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Valeriano Weyler

Valeriano Weyler y Nicolau, 1st Duke of Rubí, 1st Marquess of Tenerife (17September 1838 – 20October 1930) was a Spanish general and colonial administrator who served as the Governor-General of the Philippines and Cuba, and later as Spanish Minister for War.

Early life and career
Weyler was born in 1838 in Palma de Mallorca, Spain. His distant paternal ancestors were originally Prussians and served in the Spanish army for several generations. He was educated in his place of birth and in Granada. Weyler decided to enter the Spanish army, being influenced by his father, a military doctor.

He graduated from the Infantry School of Toledo at the age of 16. At 20, Weyler had achieved the rank of lieutenant, and he was appointed the rank of captain in 1861. In 1863, he was transferred to Cuba, and his participation in the campaign of Santo Domingo earned him the Laureate Cross of Saint Ferdinand. During the Ten Years' War that was fought between 1868 and 1878, he served as a colonel under General Arsenio Martínez Campos, but he returned to Spain before the end of the war to fight against Carlists in the Third Carlist War in 1873. In 1878, he was made general.

Canary Islands and Philippines
From 1878 to 1883, Weyler served as Captain-General of Canary Islands. In 1888, Weyler was made Governor-General of the Philippines. Weyler granted the petitions of 20 young women of Malolos, Bulacan, to receive education and to have a night school. The women became known as the Women of Malolos. The original petition was denied by the parish priest of Malolos, who argued that women should always stay at home and take care of the family.

Weyler happened to visit Malolos afterward and granted the petition on account of the persistence the women displayed for their petition. José Rizal wrote a letter to the women, upon request by Marcelo H. del Pilar, praising their initiative and sensibility on their high hopes for women's education and progress. In 1895, he earned the Grand Cross of Maria Christina for his command of troops in the Philippines in which he fought an uprising of Tagalogs and conducted an offensive against the Moros in Mindanao.

Spain
On his return to Spain in 1892, he was appointed to command the 6th Army Corps in the Basque Provinces and Navarre, where he soon quelled agitations. He was then made captain-general at Barcelona, where he remained until January 1896. In Catalonia, with a state of siege, he made himself the terror of the anarchists and communists.

Cuba
After Arsenio Martínez Campos had failed to pacify the Cuban Rebellion, the Conservative government of Antonio Cánovas del Castillo sent Weyler out to replace him. That met the approval of most Spaniards, who thought him the proper man to crush the rebellion.

He was made Governor-General of Cuba with full powers to suppress the insurgency (rebellion was widespread in Cuba) and restore the island to political order and its sugar production to greater profitability. Initially, Weyler was greatly frustrated by the same factors that had made victory difficult for all generals of traditional standing armies fighting against an insurgency.

While the Spanish troops marched in regulation and required substantial supplies, their opponents practiced hit-and-run tactics, lived off the land, and blended in with the noncombatant population. He came to the same conclusions as his predecessors as well: to win Cuba back for Spain, he would have to separate the rebels from the civilians by confining the latter to towns and forts protected by loyal Spanish troops. By the end of 1897, General Weyler had divided the long island of Cuba into different sectors and forced more than 300,000 men, women and children into areas nearby cities. By emptying the land of a sympathetic population, and then burning crops, preventing their replanting, and driving away livestock, the Spanish military made the countryside inhospitable to the insurgents.

Weyler's reconcentrado policy made his military objectives easier to accomplish, but it had devastating humanitarian and political consequences. The reconcentrados, separated from their livelihoods in the countryside and poorly housed at close quarters in the tropical climate, suffered greatly from starvation and disease. Death toll estimates range from 150,000 to 400,000 people. Much was made of their suffering in the American press where Weyler became known as "The Butcher". The wave of negative publicity contributed to an atmosphere conducive to the U.S. declaration of war against Spain two months after the sinking of the USS Maine in 1898. The Spanish Conservative government supported Weyler's tactics wholeheartedly, but the Liberals denounced them vigorously for their toll on the Cuban people.

Similar civilian internment policies were applied in the Second Boer War concentration camps by the British (1900–1902), the United States during the Philippine–American War (1899–1902), Germany against the Herero (1904–1907) and later by other governments.

The term reconcentrado is thought to have given rise to the term concentration camp, or in German Konzentrationslager, used during World War II and later to describe detention facilities used by the 20th-century regimes of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Expert Andrea Pitzer considers these to be the world's first concentration camps.

Weyler's strategy was successful only in alienating the Cuban populace from Spain completely, as well as galvanizing global opinion against Spain. When Spanish Prime Minister Antonio Cánovas del Castillo was assassinated in June 1897 and a new Liberal ministry took over, Weyler was recalled from Cuba and replaced by the more conciliatory General Ramón Blanco y Erenas.

Return to Spain
He served as Minister of War three separate times (1901–1902, 1905, 1906–1907) and as Chief of Staff of the Army in two separate terms (1916–1922, 1923–1925).

After his return to Spain, Weyler's reputation as a strong and ambitious soldier made him one of those who, in case of any constitutional disturbance, might be expected to play an important role, and his political position was nationally affected by this consideration; his appointment in 1900 as captain-general of Madrid resulted indeed in great success in the defense of the constitutional order. He was minister of war for a short time at the end of 1901, and again in 1905. At the end of October 1909, he was appointed captain-general at Barcelona, where the disturbances connected with the execution of Francisco Ferrer were quelled by him without bloodshed.

Valeriano Weyler, the Marquess of Tenerife, was made Duke of Rubí and Grandee of Spain by royal decree in 1920.

He was charged and imprisoned for opposing the military dictator Miguel Primo de Rivera in the 1920s. He died in Madrid on 20 October 1930. He was buried the next day in a simple casket without state ceremony, as he himself requested.

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Yahoo! UK & Ireland Weather Report and Forecast - - Upper Jay °C or °F Weather > United States > New York > Upper Jay

· Pollen · Holiday Planner · Motoring · Health · Skin Protection · UK Satellite · UK Forecast Map · UK Precipitation Map Immanuel Kant is one of the most influential philosophers in the history of Western philosophy. His contributions to metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, and aesthetics have had a profound impact on almost every philosophical movement that followed him. This portion of the Encyclopedia entry will focus on his metaphysics and epistemology in one of his most important works, The Critique of Pure Reason. (All references will be to the A (1781) and B(1787) edition pages in Werner Pluhar's translation. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1996.) A large part of Kant's work addresses the question "What can we know?" The answer, if it can be stated simply, is that our knowledge is constrained to mathematics and the science of the natural, empirical world. It is impossible, Kant argues, to extend knowledge to the supersensible realm of speculative metaphysics. The reason that knowledge has these constraints, Kant argues, is that the mind plays an active role in constituting the features of experience and limiting the mind's access to the empirical realm of space and time.

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List of German basketball champions

List of German basketball champions:

The German club Bayer Giants Leverkusen (formerly known as TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen and TuS 04 Leverkusen) currently holds the record for the most German basketball men's championships won, having won 14 championships.

German championship (1938–1966)

 * 1938–39 LSV Spandau (1)
 * 1939-46 Not held due to World War II
 * 1946–47 MTSV Schwabing (1)
 * 1947–48 Turnerbund Heidelberg (1)
 * 1948–49 MTSV Schwabing (2)
 * 1949–50 Stuttgart-Degerloch (1)
 * 1950–51 Turnerbund Heidelberg (2)
 * 1951–52 Turnerbund Heidelberg (3)
 * 1952–53 Turnerbund Heidelberg (4)
 * 1953–54 Bayern Munich (1)
 * 1954–55 Bayern Munich (2)
 * 1955–56 ATV Düsseldorf (1)
 * 1956–57 USC Heidelberg (1)
 * 1957–58 USC Heidelberg (2)
 * 1958–59 USC Heidelberg (3)
 * 1959–60 USC Heidelberg (4)
 * 1960–61 USC Heidelberg (5)
 * 1961–62 USC Heidelberg (6)
 * 1962–63 Alemannia Aachen (1)
 * 1963–64 Alemannia Aachen (2)
 * 1964–65 Gießen 46ers (1)
 * 1965–66 USC Heidelberg (7)

East German champions (men)
1990: BSG AdW Berlin 1989: HSG TU Magdeburg 1988: HSG TU Magdeburg 1987: BSG AdW Berlin 1986: BSG AdW Berlin 1985: BSG AdW Berlin 1984: BSG AdW Berlin 1983: BSG AdW Berlin 1982: BSG AdW Berlin 1981: BSG AdW Berlin 1980: BSG AdW Berlin 1979: BSG AdW Berlin 1978: BSG AdW Berlin 1977: HSG K-M-U Leipzig 1976: HSG K-M-U Leipzig 1975: HSG K-M-U Leipzig 1974: BSG AdW Berlin 1973: HSG K-M-U Leipzig 1972: SK KPV 69 Halle 1971: HSG K-M-U Leipzig 1970: SK KPV 69 Halle 1969: ASK Vorwärts Leipzig 1968: ASK Vorwärts Leipzig 1967: ASK Vorwärts Leipzig 1966: ASK Vorwärts Leipzig 1965: ASK Vorwärts Leipzig 1964: SC Chemie Halle 1963: SC Chemie Halle 1962: ASK Vorwärts Halle 1961: HSG Humboldt-Universität Berlin 1960: HSG Humboldt-Universität Berlin 1959: HSG Humboldt-Universität Berlin 1958: HSG Humboldt-Universität Berlin 1957: HSG Wiss. HU Berlin 1956: HSG Wiss. HU Berlin 1955: HSG Wiss. HU Berlin 1954: HSG Wiss. HU Berlin 1953: HSG Wiss. HU Berlin

German champions (women)

 * 2010: TV Crimerz
 * 2009: TV 1872 Saarlouis Royals
 * 2008: TSV 1880 Wasserburg
 * 2007: TSV 1880 Wasserburg
 * 2006: TSV 1880 Wasserburg
 * 2005: TSV 1880 Wasserburg
 * 2004: TSV 1880 Wasserburg
 * 2003: BC Marburg
 * 2002: BTV Gold-Zack Wuppertal
 * 2001: BTV Gold-Zack Wuppertal
 * 2000: BTV Wuppertal
 * 1999: BTV Wuppertal
 * 1998: BTV Wuppertal
 * 1997: BTV Wuppertal
 * 1996: BTV Wuppertal
 * 1995: BTV Wuppertal
 * 1994: BTV Wuppertal
 * 1993: Barmer TV 1846
 * 1992: Lotus München
 * 1991: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1990: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1989: Barmer TV 1846
 * 1988: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1987: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1986: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1985: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1984: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1983: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1982: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1981: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1980: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1979: TuS 04 Leverkusen
 * 1978: TuS 04 Leverkusen
 * 1977: Düsseldorfer BG ART/TVG
 * 1976: Düsseldorfer BG ART/TVG
 * 1975: DJK Agon 08 Düsseldorf
 * 1974: 1. SC 05 Göttingen
 * 1973: Heidelberger SC
 * 1972: 1. SC 05 Göttingen
 * 1971: 1. SC 05 Göttingen
 * 1970: 1. SC 05 Göttingen
 * 1969: VfL Lichtenrade Berlin
 * 1968: 1. SC 05 Göttingen
 * 1967: ATV 1877 Düsseldorf
 * 1966: SV Schwaben Augsburg
 * 1965: ATV 1877 Düsseldorf
 * 1964: TV Augsburg 1847
 * 1963: Heidelberger TV 1846
 * 1962: TV Groß-Gerau
 * 1961: TV Augsburg 1847
 * 1960: Heidelberger TV 1846
 * 1959: Heidelberger TV 1846
 * 1958: Heidelberger TV 1846
 * 1957: Heidelberger TV 1846
 * 1956: Heidelberger TV 1846
 * 1955: Heidelberger TV 1846
 * 1954: TSG Heidelberg 1846
 * 1953: Neuköllner SF Berlin
 * 1952: Turnerbund Heidelberg
 * 1951: TC Jahn 1883 München
 * 1950: TC Jahn 1883 München
 * 1949: TSC Spandau 1880
 * 1948: TC Jahn 1883 München
 * 1947: TC Jahn 1883 München

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Wolfsangel

Wolfsangel (, translation "wolf's hook") or Crampon is a heraldic charge from mainly Germany and eastern France, which was inspired by medieval European wolf traps that consisted of a Z-shaped metal hook (called the Wolfsangel, or the crampon in French) that was hung by a chain from a crescent-shaped metal bar (called the Wolfsanker, or the hameçon in French). The stylized symbol of the Z-shape (also called the Doppelhaken, meaning the "double-hook") can include a central horizontal bar to give a Ƶ-symbol, which can be reversed and/or rotated; it is sometimes mistaken as being an ancient rune due to its similarity to the "gibor rune" of the pseudo Armanen runes.

It became an early symbol of German liberty and independence after its adoption as an emblem in various 15th-century peasant revolts, and also in the 17th-century Thirty Years War. In pre-war Germany, interest in the Wolfsangel was revived by the popularity of Hermann Löns's 1910 novel Der Wehrwolf, which follows a hero in the Thirty Years war. The Ƶ-symbol was later adopted by the Nazi Party, and was used by various German Wehrmacht and SS units such as the Waffen-SS Division Das Reich and the Waffen-SS Division Landstorm Nederland. The Anti-Defamation League, and others, list the Ƶ-symbol as a hate and a neo-Nazi symbol.

Hunting tool
The Wolfsangel was a medieval European wolf hunting tool where the hook was concealed inside a chunk of meat that would impale any unsuspecting wolf gulping the meat in one movement.

The tool was developed by attaching the hook via a chain or rope to a larger bar (often with a double crescent or half-moon shape per photo opposite) lodged between the overhanging branches of a tree. This would encourage the wolf to jump up to gulp the hanging chunk of meat (with the hook concealed inside), thus further impaling itself in the manner of a fish caught on a fishing hook.

Medieval hunters were known to use "blood trails" to lead the wolf to the Wolfsangel trap and also used wattle fencing nearer to the trap to create narrow channels that would guide the wolf to the trap.

Names and symbols
Other German names include Wolfsanker ("wolf anchor", the crescent-shaped bar holding the hook), Wolfshaken ("wolf hook"), and Doppelhaken ("double hook"); French names include hameçon ("fish hook"), hameçon de loup ("fish hook for wolves") and fer-a-loup ("wolf iron"), as well as crampon ("iron hook").

The stylised version of the Z-shaped Wolfsangel developed into a popular medieval symbol in Germany that was associated with magical powers, and was believed to have the ability to ward off wolves. The symbol appears on early medieval banners and town seals in Germany (particularly in forested regions where wolves were present in large numbers); for example, as early as 1299 the symbol is found on seals of the Lords of the German Black Forest town of Wolfach (see opposite, the seal of the widow Countess Udilhild von Fürstenberg, the sole heiress of the Lords of Wolfach); and their Wolfsangel banner became the municipal coat of arms for the town (see opposite). The symbol can be found as a medieval mason's mark.

The stylized Wolfsangel Z-symbol (i.e. excluding the horizontal bar) bears a visual resemblance to the proto-Germanic Eihwaz rune (meaning "yew"), historically part of the ancient runic alphabet. However, the full Wolfsangel Ƶ-symbol has no equivalent amongst ancient runic systems but is sometimes confused as such due to its similarity to the "gibor rune", the eighteenth pseudo rune that was created by the nineteenth-century German revivalist Guido von List as part of his Armanen runes.

Peasant revolts
Academic Akbar Ahmed writes that the Wolfsangel was adopted by 15th-century German peasants during revolts against oppressive German princes and their foreign mercenaries, and thus became an important early popular Germanic symbol of independence and liberty.

Ahmed further notes that during the 17th-century Thirty Years War, groups of German militia waged a guerilla war against foreign forces under the German name Wehrwolf, and also adopted the Wolfsangel symbol as their emblem; they reportedly carved the symbol on the trees from which they hanged captured foreign combatants.

In heraldry
The term "Wolfs-Angel" (German) and "Hameçon" (French) appears in a 1714 German heraldic handbook titled Wappenkunst. However, the description is more specifically about the Wolfsanker (or hameçon) component part of the Wolfsangel trap, and defines it as: "the shape of a crescent moon with a ring inside, at mid-height", which describes the bar from which the Z-shaped hook is hung (see the yellow coat of arms of the von Stein family in the table opposite for an example).

In modern German-language heraldic terminology, the name Wolfsangel is de facto used for a variety of heraldic charges, including the Wolfsanker from above (i.e. the half-moon shape with a ring that is also called a fer-de-loop), as well as the Wolfshaken or crampon (i.e. the Z-shaped or double-hook that is also called a Mauerhaken or a Doppelhaken, and that can also appear with a ring or a transversal stroke, Ƶ, at the center).

The Z-shaped symbol is found comparatively frequently in municipal coats of arms in Germany, and also in eastern France (see Wolfisheim or Wolxheim), where it is often identified as a Wolfsangel. The Ƶ-design is rarer but is found in about a dozen contemporary municipal coats of arms, and is usually (but not exclusively) represented as a reversed Ƶ-shape.

In heraldry, the upright or vertical form of the Ƶ-symbol is associated with the Donnerkeil (or "thunderbolt"), while the horizontal form of the Ƶ-symbol is associated with the Werwolf (or "Werewolf").

In forestry
In a 1616 boundary treaty concluded between Hesse and Brunswick-Lüneburg, the Brunswick forest boundary marker was called a Wulffsangel (a horizontal Wolfsangel). There is also evidence of its use in correspondence from the Forest Services in 1674.

Later, the Wolfsangel was also used as a symbol on forest uniforms. In a 1792 document regarding new uniforms, chief forester Adolf Friedrich von Stralenheim suggested a design for uniform buttons including the letters "GR" and a symbol similar to the Wolfsangel, which he called Forstzeichen. Later the Wolfsangel was also worn as a single badge in brass caps on the service and on the buttons of the Hanoverian forest supervisor. In Brunswick, it was prescribed for private forests and gamekeepers as a badge on the bonnet.

The Wolfsangel is still used in the various forest districts in Lower Saxony as a boundary marker and it is part of the emblem of the hunters' association of Lower Saxony and the club Hirschmann, dedicated to the breeding and training of Hanover Hounds.

In literature
In pre-war 1930s Germany, interest in the Wolfsangel was revived by the popularity of Hermann Löns's 1910 novel entitled Der Wehrwolf (later published as Harm Wulf, a peasant chronicle, and as The Warwolf in English). The book is set in a 17th-century German farming community during the Thirty Years' War and the protagonist, a resistance fighter named Harm Wulf, adopts the Wolfsangel symbol as his personal badge.

Wolfsangel: German City on Trial is a 2000 book by August Niro on the 1944 Rüsselsheim massacre that occurred in the city of Rüsselsheim am Main, whose coat of arms features a Wolfsangel symbol. The book draws parallels with the origins and symbolism of the Wolfsangel, particularly resistance against foreign mercenaries, and the events of the massacre.

As a Nazi symbol
In Nazi Germany, the Wolfsangel symbol was widely adopted in Nazi symbolism. It is not clear whether the driver of its adoption was Hitler's strong personal association with wolf imagery (the Wolf's Lair for example), or to create an association with the post-15th-century symbol of German independence and liberty, which had a particular relationship to the achievement of German freedom from foreign influence by force.

The symbol was used by a range of military and non-military Nazi-linked groups, including:
 * the 19th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
 * the 19th Panzer Division (Wehrmacht)
 * the 33rd Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
 * the 206th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
 * the 256th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
 * the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich
 * the 4th SS Polizei Panzergrenadier Division
 * the 34th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Landstorm Nederland
 * the Sturmabteilung "Feldherrnhalle" Wachstandart Kampfrunen (SA "Warlord's Hall" Guard Regiment)
 * the NS-Volkswohlfahrt organization
 * the Flämische Nazionalsozialistische Kraftfahr Korps (Vlaamsche NSKK)
 * the "Vlaamse wacht" / zwarte brigade (Flemish guard / Black brigade)
 * the "Dietse Militie" (Dietsch militia)
 * the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging NSB, Dutch Nazi fascist party, whose magazine was De Wolfsangel
 * the Werwolf plan of resistance against allied occupation was intended to use this symbol.

Post-World War II symbolism
After World War II, public exhibition of the Wolfsangel symbol became illegal in Germany if it was connected with Neo-Nazi groups. On 9 August 2018 Germany lifted the ban on the usage of swastikas and other Nazi symbols in video games. "Through the change in the interpretation of the law, games that critically look at current affairs can for the first time be given a USK age rating," USK managing director Elisabeth Secker told CTV. "This has long been the case for films and with regards to the freedom of the arts, this is now rightly also the case with computer and videogames."

Outside of Germany, the Wolfsangel symbol has been used by some Neo-Nazi organizations such as in the United States where the Aryan Nations organization uses a white Wolfsangel-like symbol with a sword replacing the cross-bar in its logo. The US-based Anti-Defamation League (ADL) database, as well as other non-governmental organisations, list the Wolfsangel as a hate symbol and as a neo-Nazi symbol. In Italy, the Wolfsangel was the symbol used by the far right movement Terza Posizione.

In Ukraine, far-right movements like the Social-National Party of Ukraine  and the Social-National Assembly, as well as the Azov Regiment of the Ukrainian army,    have used a similar symbol of ꑭ (an elongated centre bar and the Z being rotated but untypically not reversed; The group claim that the symbol is a composite of the "N" and the "I", for their political slogan Ідея Нації (Ukrainian for "National Idea", and deny any connection or attempt to draw a parallel with the regiment and Nazism. Political scientist Andreas Umland told Deutsche Welle, that though it had far-right connotations, the Wolfsangel was not considered a fascist symbol by the general population in Ukraine. The Reporting Radicalism initiative from Freedom House notes that "Accidental use of this symbol or its use without an understanding of its connotations (for example as a talisman) is rare", and "... in Ukraine, the use of a Wolfsangel as a heraldic symbol or a traditional talisman would be uncharacteristic". The Karelian National Battalion, a pro-Ukrainian volunteer battalion formed in January 2023, features a Wolfsangel in the middle of the battalion's insignia.

In 2020, there was a brief trend of Generation Z TikTok users tattooing a "Generation Ƶ" symbol on the arm as "a symbol of unity in our generation but also as a sign of rebellion" (in the manner of the 15th-century peasant's revolts). The originator of the trend later renounced it when the use of the symbol by the Nazis was brought to her attention.

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Hello I am to for the working of the wikipedia that is of english after being the arabic man of the saudia arabia wikipedia. Can you ask on my page of talk for any askings. Ok.

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Francis Johnson (architect)

 * See Francis Johnston (architect) for Irish architect with a similar name.

Francis Frederick Johnson (18 April 1911 – 29 September 1995), was an English architect born in Bridlington in the East Riding of Yorkshire. He was active in designing churches and country houses and restoring historic buildings.

Education and early career
Johnson studied at the Leeds School of Architecture and then toured Europe in 1931 on a travelling scholarship before joining the firm of Allderidge & Clark in Hull. He started his own practice in 1937 in his home town of Bridlington. This was interrupted by the Second World War, when he served in the Royal Engineers from 1943 to 1946.

Work
Francis Johnson's favoured field of work was domestic architecture. He is known particularly for country houses in a Georgian style. He designed a number of churches in the post-war period for clients, including the Church of England Commissioners. These simple buildings often show the influence of the Scandinavian classical architecture he had admired on his European tour.

Francis Johnson also restored and remodelled a large number of historic buildings, including Hardwick Hall, Derbyshire, Belton House, Lincolnshire, Burton Agnes Hall, East Yorkshire, and Fairfax House, York. His approach to restoration involved detailed research into the original colour schemes of buildings, which was a concern ahead of his time in the 1960s.

Churches

 * St Margaret, Hilston, East Riding of Yorkshire (1956–1957)
 * Ascension, Calvert Road, Kingston upon Hull chancel (1957–1958)
 * St Michael and All Angels, Orchard Park, Kingston upon Hull (1957–1958)
 * Holy Nativity RC, Scarborough, North Yorkshire (1954–1955)
 * St Luke's RC, Scarborough, North Yorkshire (1955–1956)
 * St George RC, Scarborough, North Yorkshire (1957–1958)
 * Methodist Chapel, Ripon (1958–1960)
 * St Joseph's RC, Newby, Scarborough, North Yorkshire (1958–1960)
 * Methodist Church, Sewerby (1963)
 * St Thomas, Pennywell, Sunderland (1964)
 * St Christopher, Tong, West Yorkshire (1967–1968)
 * St Luke, Willerby (1968)

Private houses

 * The Old Rectory, Winestead restoration (1947–1948)
 * Sunderlandwick Hall, Sunderlandwick (1962–1963)
 * Settrington House, Settrington rebuilt after fire in 1963 (1965)
 * Whitwell-on-the-Hill, Malton (1969)
 * Corn Exchange House, Bridlington (1972)
 * Garrowby Hall, Garrowby south range (1981–1982)
 * Hilborough House, Norfolk designed 1989–90 (1996–2000)

Other

 * The King's School, Tynemouth, Northumberland new block (1959–1960)
 * St Anne's Houses, Bridlington (1961–1965)
 * St Chad's College, Durham (1961–1964)
 * Beach House, Grenada (1968–1969)
 * Rectory, Church Green, Bridlington (1970)
 * Rectory, Cottingham, East Riding of Yorkshire (1973)
 * The Pavilion (Opera House), Thorpe Tilney Hall, Lincolnshire (1976–1980)
 * Swimming Pool Pavilion, Burton Agnes Hall (1985)

Archives
Part of Johnson's archives were deposited with Hull University Archives at the Hull History Centre. In November 2013 these secured an award of £32,729 from the National Cataloguing Grants Programme administered by The National Archives. The project to catalogue and make the material available was undertaken between January 2014 and August 2015.

The remaining papers, drawings and photographs were deposited at the Hull History archive in June and July 2022 when the continuing practice, Francis Johnson and Partners, was dissolved on the retirement of the surviving partners.

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Talk:Forensic psychology

Wiki Education assignment: Psychology Capstone
— Assignment last updated by Arianamarievasquez (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Seminars in Forensic Science
— Assignment last updated by Sfoster33 (talk) 14:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Common marbled carpet

The common marbled carpet (Dysstroma truncata) is a moth of the family Geometridae. It is sometimes placed in the genus Chloroclysta. It is very common throughout the Palearctic region and the Near East. The species was first described by Johann Siegfried Hufnagel in 1767.

This is one of the most variable of the geometrids both in size (wingspan 32–39 mm) and colour. The basal and terminal areas of the forewings are marked with fascia separated by a large plain area in the middle, but the colouration of all these areas is confusingly variable from white to black with various grey, brown and reddish tones in between. The hindwings, though, are always pale grey marked with faint fascia. Some forms closely resemble Dysstroma citrata.

One or two broods are produced each year and the adults can be seen in any month from May to November. The species flies at night and is attracted to light. It is also attracted to nectar-rich flowers and sugary foods which is fairly unusual for the family.

The larva is slender and green, usually with reddish stripes. It has been recorded feeding on a wide range of plants (see list below). The species overwinters as a larva.
 * 1)  The flight season refers to the British Isles. This may vary in other parts of the range.

Recorded food plants

 * Alnus - alder
 * Betula - birch
 * Crataegus - hawthorn
 * Fragaria - strawberry
 * Ligustrum - privet
 * Lonicera - honeysuckle
 * Prunus - bird cherry
 * Rosa - rose
 * Rubus - bramble
 * Rumex - dock
 * Salix - willow
 * Sorbus - rowan
 * Vaccinium
 * Parthenocissus quinquefolia - Virginia creeper

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User talk:Tahqiq Halid as Sab al Alami

'''Your askings is should be here. You can be to write in the english or arabic because the kanguages i know of is that..'''

Hello. I saw your question on the Village Pump. Did you know that there is an Arabic Wikipedia? I'd recommend asking someone there. Good luck. — Trilobite (Talk) 01:09, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Miss Pippa 02:56, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Quit playing around
You do not speak Arabic, as your edits prove. You probably do speak perfectly good English. Random joke articles are not welcome here, least of all in subject areas that relatively few editors can verify. - Mustafaa 06:30, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Stop writing junk. You will be blocked. - Mustafaa 09:54, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Winona Ryder

"Marriage" to Keanu Reeves still listed
Since consensus was established to remove the mention of her marriage to Keanu Reeves, effective as of October 2018, the information is still listed 9 months later. I don't want to appear to be "stepping on toes", but isn't this going to be removed on their respective profiles? Tytrox (talk) 00:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing. It was removed by the closing admin at the time, but no-one noticed when it was re-added a few months later. I have removed it again. --Meters (talk) 03:33, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This is still being added repeatedly, against the RFC consensus at Talk:Winona Ryder/Archive 2. Meters (talk) 19:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

New sources:

https://people.com/movies/keanu-reeves-really-married-winona-ryder-making-dracula/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8396187/keanu-reeves-winona-ryder-married/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.18.141 (talk) 01:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, see Talk:Winona Ryder/Archive 2 Meters (talk) 03:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion: You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 05:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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Removal of WP:SYN inclusions
The article in its present form has WP:SYN inclusions not supported by the references provided. The statement, “Ryder has described herself as Jewish”, is not supported by the citations given. Neither is the sensationalist statement, “Most of her family on her father's side were murdered in the Holocaust”, which includes three citations. The first of which does not address the issue at all, while the third states that one relative was killed in a concentration camp. The second, in fact, states the contrary, “so’s most of my family. My grandparents made it out to America.” Assuming good faith, it was an error on the editor’s part, or perhaps as sometimes is also the case, an attempt to make an unwilling poster child out of a celebrity where facts points otherwise. I have excised the erroneous edits. Please do not revert unless new citations are provided that support such statements WP:BLP. Veritycheck✔ (talk) 21:59, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Free Winona
I'm wearing my t-shirt as I write this. I switched out the photo because the one of her smiling was goofy and caught her at a bad angle. I also removed the bit about shoplifting and tabloid journalism from the lead. It was 23 years ago and it's not that fricking relevant. Yes, the media loved every minute of it and Time magazine went crazy for a single day in November. And yes, we deserve a separate article on that incident. But does it deserve to be featured prominently at the very end of her lead section in 2024? No. Viriditas (talk) 10:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

 * - Some points I want to make:
 * 1. I'm not going to question your adjustments to the lead paragraph. More power to you, in all sincerity. I believe that it is our responsibility to present Winona Ryder as an actress whose achievements deserves to be spotlighted in a more complimentary way. Similar articles of actors who were in the same situation don't consider their past mistakes to be the biggest highlight; unfair when comparing it to her article whose past mistakes were unfairly elevated before your edits.
 * 2a. "Goofy" and "caught her at a bad angle"? That's understandable, given the scarce freely licensed photos which are usually public events with varying angles, varying quality, varying lighting.
 * 2b. Just to indulge you, I'll justify keeping the 2010 Toronto International Film Festival (TIFF) photo: it's the most portrait-like photo of all of the available photos on Wikimedia Commons that has very little intrusive elements (e.g. group of people, nature, blurry captures), and decent lighting. When compared to more recent photos like Sundance 2015, or older photos at a Marc Jacobs event on Wikimedia, it is of higher resolution. However, that definition would also be applicable to the 2009 photo at Giffoni Film Festival (Giffoni) you selected: portrait-like, least intrusive, and high-res... and no TIFF promo texts.
 * 3. I like both - so why I reverted it, is because I disagree with the inclusion of the 2009 photo as the infobox photo. Why I disagree with it: the original photo itself is underexposed and the lighting around her face is not well lit even after some adjustments. The one you selected is adjusted as far as it could, and it may work, but the 2010 TIFF photo is sufficiently lit from the moment it was captured, and it allows easier adjustments. That's one thing that keeps me from accepting that 2009 photo.
 * 4. I will admit this is my personal opinion, but it is personal opinions informed by observations. However, if the consensus decides to go with the 2009 photo, I'll accept that as it is. Except there is no consensus... yet. I hope all of this explains it. No hard feelings. Misterpither (talk) 14:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I read your comments several times to let it sink in. This is obviously a stalemate, and I don't see what I could say to move this forward, other than I hope you won't oppose the addition of new or different images if and when they do present themselves. Viriditas (talk) 19:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Reference may not exist
She has been accused of sexually abusing Haley Joel Osment in 1999.

Clicking on this link gave me an error. My gut feeling is that it's trolling, but I'm trying to assume good faith. Snowman304'|'talk 04:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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NumbersUSA

NumbersUSA is an anti-immigration  advocacy organization that seeks to reduce both legal and illegal immigration to the United States. It advocates for immigration reduction through user-generated fax, email, and direct mail campaigns.

History
The organization was founded by Roy Beck in 1996 after he wrote the book, The Case Against Immigration. Beck has claimed to have seen various problems in the United States resulting from immigration during his research process for the book, which he based on a study of crime in Wausau, Wisconsin.

NumbersUSA credited Texas Democrat Barbara Jordan as its "spiritual godmother" after she chaired the bipartisan U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform committee from 1994 until her death. The organization claims that Jordan's recommendations to cut annual green cards from 675,000 a year to 550,000 as well as eliminating "chain migration" during the Clinton administration were in line with its mission to reduce job competition and lower fiscal costs. The Clinton administration did not move forward with the recommendations, though the Commission did establish E-Verify. Other members of the commission have stated that NumbersUSA took Jordan's recommendations out of context as it also proposed a global wait list for more than 1 million immigration applicants.

In 2004, NumbersUSA reported 50,000 members.

In 2007, NumbersUSA was influential in derailing a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill. The organization's members used information and tools from NumbersUSA to contact legislators and voice opposition. It claimed to have 1.5 million members that year.

It has opposed United States immigration amnesty policies such as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, claiming that "employers were allowed to hire the DACA parents for 10, 15, 20 years." During the Trump administration, NumbersUSA criticized efforts by Jared Kushner on concessions made in the legislative process of the RAISE Act after initially praising the president and called Trump "very weak" for not mandating E-Verify despite campaigning to "hire American".

According to The Atlantic, NumbersUSA consisted of 2 million members as of 2013.

In November 2022, the organization announced James Massa, a former Cisco executive, as its next chief executive officer following the retirement of its founder, Beck.

Views
The organization's founder has claimed that the 1960s environmental movement and effect of population growth on natural resources led to an interest in immigration in the United States. NumbersUSA messaging argues that population growth is driven by immigration and that America does not have the infrastructure to support millions of migrants. It has opined that restricting immigration also increases jobs and wages for African American and Latino citizens with a message on its website stating "nothing about this website should be construed as advocating hostile actions or feelings toward immigrant Americans; illegal aliens deserve humane treatment even as they are detected, detained and deported."

NumbersUSA began marketing a 1996 video presentation by its founder using gumballs to illustrate immigration to the United States with a conclusion that the country was not alleviating poverty worldwide by allowing migrants. This conclusion that the United States should increase immigration restrictions and help the impoverished where they are instead of allowing them to migrate to richer countries was met with criticism. The original video was viewed more the 6 million online before it was uploaded to YouTube in 2010.

NumbersUSA has run ads containing "inaccurate, inflated and emotionally charged claims" according to FactCheck.Org and PolitiFact. Over the first six months of 2013, NumbersUSA spent more than $450,000 on television ads opposing immigration reform.

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Petroleum Revenue Tax

Petroleum Revenue Tax (PRT) is a direct tax collected in the United Kingdom. It was introduced under the Oil Taxation Act 1975, soon after Harold Wilson's Labour government returned to power and in the immediate aftermath of the 1973 energy crisis, and was intended to ensure "fairer share of profits for the nation" from the exploitation of the UK's continental shelf, while ensuring a "suitable return" on the capital investment by oil companies.

Petroleum Revenue Tax
PRT is charged on "super-profits" arising from the exploitation of oil and gas in the UK and the UK's continental shelf. After certain allowances, PRT is charged at a rate of 50% (falling to 35% from 1 Jan 2016 and was effectively abolished in the March 2016 budget) on profits from oil extraction. PRT is charged by reference to individual oil and gas fields, so the costs related to developing and running one field cannot be set off against the profits generated by another field. PRT was abolished on 16 March 1993 for all fields given development consent on or after that date, but continues in existence for fields established before that date. At the same time, the rate of PRT was reduced from 75% to 50%, but various reliefs from PRT for expenditure on exploration and appraisal were withdrawn.

PRT is charged in addition to corporation tax, which is also payable by companies involved in oil exploration and production, although PRT is deductible in calculating profits for corporation tax purposes. Profits from oil extraction activities are subject to a corporation tax "ring fence", which means that profits from these activities cannot be reduced by any losses or other tax reliefs from other business activities (the corporation tax ring fence fences off the whole oil exploration trade, not individual fields like PRT). Profits within the corporation tax "ring fence" have been subject to a supplementary corporation tax charge of 10% in addition to the usual 30% rate since 17 April 2002. This supplementary charge was increased to 20% in the Pre-Budget Report of December 2005, with effect from 1 January 2006, and was further increased in the 2011 budget to 32%, with effect from 23 March 2011. This means that the marginal tax rate on PRT paying fields is now 81% (fields not paying PRT pay a rate of 62%).

PRT is administered by the Energy Group of the Large Business Service of HM Revenue and Customs (formerly the Oil Taxation Office of Inland Revenue). This group also administers the "ring fence" corporation tax and supplementary charge paid by companies on profits from oil and gas production, and previously administered the royalty charged on the gross value of oil and gas won.

United Kingdom legislation
United Kingdom primary legislation that has introduced and amended Petroleum Revenue Tax includes:

 * Oil Taxation Act 1975 (c. 22)
 * Petroleum Revenue Tax Act 1980 (c. 1)
 * Oil Taxation Act 1983 (c. 56)
 * Petroleum Royalties (Relief) Act 1983 (c. 59)
 * Advance Petroleum Revenue Tax Act 1986 (c. 68)
 * Petroleum Royalties (Relief) and Continental Shelf Act 1989 (c. 1)

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Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Personal attacks

It seems the points made on this page are clear and do not presently need further discussion.
 * 1) While personal attacks are a Bad Thing, putting up a sanction is unlikely to help, and requires more effort than it's worth.
 * 2) Repeat offenders should be taken to Requests for comment.

Rather than discuss a group of articles, this page is for discussing a certain manner of behavior on WikiPedia in general and VfD in particular.

Usually, VfD is an ordered process. Many nominated articles get deleted by unanimous vote because they have no place in Wikipedia. Many others get kept because the nominator was mistaken or uninformed, or because the article was significantly improved after receiving its nomination. However, sometimes, heated arguments ensue, where people who contributed to or associate with an article insist it should be kept, and other people vehemently argue that said article is pointless, or worse.

The problem is that in these heated arguments, some people start attacking the people who disagree with them, rather than simply countering their arguments. Luckily there are few people who behave like that, but their offensive behavior can be destructive. In one of today's VfD discussions, a very simple remedy for this was proposed.

A vote containing a personal insult to someone in the same discussion should be discounted. Just like votes from sock puppets are ignored by the Mods when deciding what to do with a page after its discussion finishes.

Of course, there are subtle remarks that could be treated as an insult, or simply as vehement disagreement (e.g. "John Doe is obviously wrong"). For these, it is important to assume good faith and not treat them as insults. However, any votes containing remarks such as "John Doe is a moron" should be discounted. This seems like an elegant solution, and would serve to convince such people to make civil votes without insulting people.

This is not an official policy proposal of any kind, but it would be nice to discuss this and see if we can get decent guidelines out of it. Do people think this is a good idea? Or a bad idea? Do people have other suggestions? Discussion welcome! Radiant! 10:10, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Statements of general disagreement

 * Though I dislike personal attacks and have no specific love for those who make them, I disagree that they should necessarily render an attached vote null and void. My reasons: Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  16:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) What constitutes a personal attack is quite subjective, even our ArbComs often have trouble agreeing. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 16:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) I wouldn't want to put the burden of judgement on the admins who close the VfDs. It would likely make the process of closing VfDs longer and more difficult, as in addition to counting the raw votes, the admin in theory should also be judging each vote regarding whether it constitutes an attack or not. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  16:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) It is the nature of VfD that some voters have strong feelings on subjects on which they vote. I wouldn't want people to be afraid to voice their strong opinions or arguments for fear of their vote being thrown out. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  16:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Relatedly, it is possible that devious VfDers would attempt to goad opinionated voters into making personal attacks so their votes don't count, either to deliberately sway the vote or simply for fun. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 16:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Let's think for a moment about what fair voting is. Throughout history, there have been numerous attempts to restrict who may vote in one way or another, such as only allowing (whites, men, landowners, aged 21+, literate people, etc.) to vote.  Nearly all such restrictions have been thrown out or modified as generally unfair.  To say to someone "your vote doesn't count" is a very strong statement, and should be based on something more substantial than offhandedly calling so-and-so a jerk or whatever.  In other words, generally speaking, votes should always count except in the most egregious of circumstances, such as sockpuppeting or other obvious attempts to sway a vote. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  16:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Those who are determined to make personal attacks will likely do so anyway, vote or no vote. Simply put, I doubt that this would have any substantial discouragement value. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  16:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) One more thing... I'm not entirely sure that this is really a particularly big problem. I visit the VfD page every day, and I read just about all of it, and maybe, maybe one-tenth of one percent of votes there are what could even remotely be considered a personal attack.  I see plenty of disagreement, of course, but the vast majority of it is mannerly.  Compared to other web communities, WP is generally very civil (almost miraculously so, perhaps, considering its size and openness).  I think actions like this should only be taken when there is a clear and overwhelming need.  At the moment, I'm just not seeing that. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  23:24, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

I am quite glad that Andrew has stated everything I could have said, and better. Would it be nice if we didn't have so many personal attacks on VfD? Yes. Is the stick of "you'll get your vote taken away if we deem what you say a personal attack" the way to go about it? It's a solution quite potentially worse than the problem. -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:46, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm in general agreement with most of what Starblind wrote above. Furthermore, having spent the past few days working through the backlog in /Old, it looks like just about all of the personal attacks were from newbies who probably won't stick around after their article is deleted, or from repeat offenders, for which there's already a more effective solution. —Korath (Talk) 08:19, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

I also agree generally with Starblind's comments above. I close many of the articles on /Old, and it can be a tedious job. Adding another layer of complication by having closers decide if a snide remark is a personal attack just makes the job more difficult. It also becomes more contentious, as we dance in the grey area areas where an offhand comment can go either way. I have no problem discounting the votes of probable sockpuppets, but to ignore a vote of an established user because of their comments really rubs me the wrong way. I also specifically agree with Starblind's last statement: I'm also not sure it's that big a problem. I sometimes roll my eyes at some things said, but most of the discussion is civil. This seems like a solution in search of a problem. Joyous 00:57, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Statements of general fence-sitting

 * I am torn. Certainly, we have all seen several cases on VfD of late that would lead one to wish for such a structured approach to discouraging such behavior. Unfortunately (at least for the process of making clear distinctions) the most egregious cases have not been clear-cut abuse, but have instead been cases in which an individual with a very firm opinion resorted to language that was not an obvious imprecation, but was instead along the lines of "John Doe is obviously incorrect." The behavior that made it egregious was the fact that said user did the same thing to everyone who disagreed with him/her, even when s/he was the only person voting against the common opinion.

 * Of course, it would be nice to say that if a user described another user with a word generally accepted as a pejorative in a reasonably clear pejorative fashion, that the vote would then be discounted. I think that this is a nice, clear-cut criterion. Such a clear definition would also reassure those voting in good faith that innocuous statements would not be misrepresented to deprive them of a vote (all you have to do is avoid words generally recognized as pejorative). But this is, I think, what all reasonable people expect from other Wikipedians. Isn't the tossing of pejoratives a grounds for banning or temporary blocking? And this does not take into account Andrew's points #5 and #6.

 * Unfortunately, I cannot think of any elegant solutions to prevent the sort of abusive, bullying behavior that the last couple of days have revealed in VfD. Therefore, it is tempting to propose and support some kind of punitive action on those who engage in that behavior. But I'm not sure enough to vote either way.

 * In any case, I think that largely the administrators recognize abusive comments when they see them, and discount their effect on the concensus process (ie, only count them as one vote). And, while it can be upsetting to the Wikipedian attacked in the short term, I believe most of us, in the long run, recognize that the individual who has attacked us in such a way has his/her own problems, and their comments don't really say anything about us, but instead say something about the attacker. Ditto how such comments effect the opinions of others regarding the person attacked. So I don't know if the abusive users really have any long-term impact on WP or the VfD process. Except for being extremely annoying, of course. HyperZonktalk 17:32, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

 * If all comments are read by a moderator before a decision is rendered, then I'd like to assume they have enough experience and sense to decide whether a vote should count on a case by case basis. If it's a sockpuppet, we already know it doesn't count, and if the voter makes a personal attack, the mod can decide whether or not the vote should count based upon the situation. However someone who makes repeated personal attacks should receive a warning and, if necessary, suspension, but I assume such policies are already in place. 23skidoo 01:06, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I believe there are policies to warn and/or suspend people who repeatedly make personal attacks. However, I do not believe these are actually enforced. At least, I have not noticed any Mod, Medi or Arb responding to the repeat offenders. To make it worse, one of those offenders is an Arb. Radiant! 09:08, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)


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Ludwig Ingwer Nommensen

Ludwig Ingwer Nommensen (6 February 1834 – 23 May 1918) was a Danish (now German) Lutheran missionary to Batak lands, North Sumatra who also translated the New Testament into the native Batak language and the first Ephorus (bishop) of Batak Christian Protestant Church. Stephen Neill, a historian of missions, considered Nommensen one of the greatest missionaries of all time. He is commemorated as a missionary on 7 November in the Calendar of Saints of the Lutheran Church with John Christian Frederick Heyer and Bartholomäus Ziegenbalg.

Nommensen was born in the Nordstrand peninsula in 1834, when the area was part of Denmark before it became part of Germany. In 1846, a horse cart rolled over his legs, crushing them. The initial prognosis was that he would be unlikely to walk again. After praying for recovery, some three years later, he was able to walk again.

An interest in Christian missionary work led to Nommensen's enrolment at the Rhenish Missionary Society seminary at Wuppertal-Barmen in 1857. He was sent as a missionary to Sumatra in 1862. He focused his attention on the Batak people of the interior of Sumatra. His first mission station was in the Silindung Valley. He experienced initial difficulties, but later succeeded in converting several local chiefs and their followers to Christianity. He reported that 2000 Batak people had converted to Christianity by 1865. At first most converts had to leave their villages and come to live with Nommensen in his Huta dame (Village of Peace). In 1878 he completed the first translation of the New Testament into the Batak language.

In the same year, he and his fellow missionaries, and the Christian Batak people themselves, were threatened by the Batak priest king Sisingamangaraja XII, who, with support from Aceh, was involved in a war against the Dutch occupants. In the subsequent military expedition against Singamangaraja XII, known as the First Toba War, Nommensen played a prominent role in serving the colonial army as an interpreter and cultural consultant. Nommensen himself laid out his involvement in the war in a report that was published in BRMG 12, 1878:361–81, in which he explained that his involvement was aimed to save lives and to avoid Dutch brutal punitive action against local villages. After the war, Nommensen was seen by Batak people as the one who could protect them against Dutch influence.

In 1890, he moved north to the village of Sigumpar, Toba near Laguboti. The area had greater Islamic influences, but Nommensen remained successful in building an indigenous Batak church. He had already instituted a church order and hierarchy, overseen by a Batak ephorus. By the time of his death the church numbered 180,000 members, with 34 Batak pastors and 788 teacher-preachers. Today most Toba Batak Christians belong to the Batak Christian Protestant Church (HKBP), one of the largest Lutheran church denominations in Southeast Asia.

He was awarded an honorary doctorate of theology by the University of Bonn, and in 1911 he was made an Officer of the Order of Orange-Nassau. The Batak Christian University at Medan and Pematang Siantar was named Nommensen University in 1954.

Stephen Neill, in his History of Christian Missions, described Nommensen as "one of the most powerful missionaries of whom we have record anywhere" (page 348). Another source wrote, "Nommensen may have been one of the most successful missionaries ever to preach the gospel" (Ambassadors for Christ, ed. by J. Woodbridge, page 146).

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Talk:Amy Gardner

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This article needs further cleanup from it's previous state, but I've given it a real quick try in ten minutes to help weed it out. I cleaned the most egregious factual errors and trimmed much of the background information about the show and Ms. Parker.

It is my opinion that Josh and Amy were not dating in the end of S4, but rather started up again in the wake of Zoey's kidnapping; I've left that in until a consensus can be informally reached.

The article, ideally, should conform to the other character bios in the Category:The West Wing characters section, where it should eventually be moved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.143.248 (talk • contribs) 10:12, 1 March 2005 (UTC)

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