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User talk:Andrewa/archive6

How do i talk here? i m completely new, but i am the blardy guy. my roommate was the first to explain to me what it means, and i ve heard it in conversation. However, i never have seen it written... so i thought i'd add it here.

G'day User:Esprungo and welcome again. You just edit the page, as you have done. Andrewa 19:57, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Return of the Time Cube
Moved to User talk:andrewa/Return of the Time Cube. Andrewa 10:13, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Delayed deletion
Peter Wayner has set up a project at Dartmouth College in a course for non-computing majors that has led some of them to create articles that are clearly unencyclopedic by Wikipedia's current standards, and others that are borderline. I suspect he was unaware of School and university projects, and that he's given his students what I would consider inadequate instruction on the need to lurk and to respect existing standards when entering a new cybercommunity.

But, whatever the reason for some of these articles appearing on VfD, I think there may be a case for delaying their deletion until the course concludes. These are not computing majors and it's unlikely to be their fault, and it may not be anybody's. The policies aren't all that easy to find!

I have already asked Peter to supply the course conclusion date. Comments? Andrewa 22:10, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I think it's a good idea. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:46, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree. I have also left a note on Peter's talk page linking to several articles and lists that have plenty of red links, suggesting he direct his students to those, rather than documenting every custom and group related to Dartmouth. Niteowlneils 02:38, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Peter has now replied to me by email. Assessment will be completed by next Wednesday, which is 25 August, I assume that's Dartmouth time, so I suggest that any deletions agreed (which looks likely to be all those listed) be deferred until 26 August.
 * I'm sending him some suggestions as to how his next course can be improved. Depending how we handle this, it is an excellent way of creating new contributors, or new enemies. Andrewa 17:27, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * For the record: this is yet another interesting example of partial misunderstandings on both sides. On the Pcw side, it looked to him as if there were people who had something against Dartmouth and were trying to marginalize it out of animus. On the Wikipedia side, it looked to many of us as if there were a systematic effort to unbalance Wikipedia with a glut of promotional puff pieces about Dartmouth.

 * If you look at his actual class assignment, he does not specifically tell his students to write articles about Dartmouth, and he does say:

 * Read about the Wikipedia. Read about contributing to the Wikipedia. Choose two topics that are appropriate. Make sure they fit inside the definition and are not in the Wikipedia already. Think about how to write about these topics from a neutral point of view. Now write two entries for the Wikipedia. Use information from the Manual of Style. Make sure they're at least 200 words. Include at least two external links and two internal links to other Wikipedia topics. Add these entries to the Wikipedia. Add links so these new entries will be found. Celebrate your contribution to the largest encyclopedia on the planet.

 * That seems very good to me. Any student that had actually read all the suggested links would probably have been OK. He needed to give his students some specific pointers on things not to do and needed to explain (and understand!) the "ruthless editing" mechanism and the VfD process. It seems interesting to me that a professor, able to write such a well-designed assignment, would, in VfD show so much typical counterproductive defensive behavior including, I really believe, creating a sock puppet. I strongly suspect that we are actually inducing such behavior in people who might not show it under ordinary circumstances. I am keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that things will be resolved in a positive manner.

 * BTW, as I write this it looks to me as if the course that events in VfD are following is not be to delete the articles, but to strip them of promotional language, boil them down in size, and merge them into Dartmouth College. If he has the right attitude and is willing to show his next class the articles on Dartmouth College "before" and "after," it may actually be a good example of Wikiprocess at work. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 18:18, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

See also (and feel free to add links to other VfD discussions):

 * 5000 odd words of removed discussion from the Village Pump
 * User talk:Pcw
 * User_talk:Lucky_6.9
 * Votes for deletion/Dartmouth dodecaphonics
 * Votes for deletion/Dartmouth Cords (two articles)
 * Votes for deletion/5 Die
 * Votes for deletion/Lob pong
 * Alpha Chi Alpha is not on VfD but is on cleanup and may eventually be listed I guess

RfC
Michael Snow is a better person to ask about this since he's been co-ordinating it for a long time and I've generally tried to stay away looking after that page. Angela. 17:32, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Ta. Will do. Andrewa 17:42, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I've tried to bring it closer to the desired format. While I don't consider myself the only person who is allowed to monitor and clean up the page, I do check up on it periodically to try and keep things under control. I don't own RfC and am perfectly happy when people help out; I'm just doing the work because most other people don't. --Michael Snow 17:58, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Right, I appreciate that you were proceeding with caution on a page with the potential to be a minefield. I don't mind being a resource, I just want to avoid cultivating the impression that everything on RfC has to go through me. --Michael Snow 18:08, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Simple English Wikipedia
Hello Andrewa, I've also only just got interested in Simple W so can't exactly give you any tips! Why don't you just "translate" some of the articles you've been working on? I'm sure many Simple English readers are also travellers and would like to know about portable stoves, for example. Saintswithin 08:28, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Illegal blocking
Hello there,

I would like to inform you that Guanaco blocked me for 24 hours for allegedly violating the three revert rule which states, "Don't revert any page more than three times within a period of 24 hours."

Reverts to page "Clitoris" by User:Cantus:
 * The fourth revert "D" falls outside the 24-hour limit started by revert "A"
 * The fourth revert "H" falls outside the 24-hour limit started by revert "E"

The fact is that there are no four consecutive reverts within a 24-hour period. I did not violate 3RR.

I ask you to please undo this block as soon as possible, and de-sysop User:Guanaco for flagrant abuse of admin powers.

Thank you.

Cantus.

 * User:Guanaco reverted this edit, which is not good form IMO, and I see he also seems to have admitted elsewhere that you might have a case. I'm watching. Feel free to comment further here. Andrewa 14:03, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Phase 1 - J>A
Please note my response on Votes for deletion/Clan of the Dead Goat Gunshop. --Jerzy(t) 03:56, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)

Ph2 - A>J
Copied from Votes for deletion/Clan of the Dead Goat Gunshop:

 * Keep: The Gunshop has grown out to be a full-size community supporting the weapon model replacement scene. It stands out in quality and its emphasis on realism. It deserves to be kept in here GrefTek 15:50, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: This vote by another new IP. Andrewa 17:19, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Citing only contribs bypasses verifiability. This edit shows that that IP forged Jorri's sig, not GrefTek's, which this edit shows was forged by 80.126.231.152. In order not to undercut our trust in editors' tagging of SPs, please cite edit-diffs (which also provide a link that verifies the number of contribs), rather than citing contribs pages. And when you view the preview, that gives you a chance to double-check your compiling of your research. --Jerzy(t) 03:37, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)

''- end of copied material. Andrewa 09:29, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)''

Perhaps there's something I'm missing here, but I don't see your point or points at all. Easiest first:

I share your concern that trust in tags is important, but I don't see how your proposal helps. I did point out that the posts were both from IPs, rather than from the users as claimed. Obviously then the signatures should be disregarded, but perhaps you think this should be explicit?

(Incidentally, what do you mean by SP? Acronym finder returns 177 meanings but none seem to fit too well.)

I don't see how what I've done bypasses verifiability.

And I don't see how the link you provided and suggested as a model is in any way superior to the one I provided. I think that both of the pages they link to need to be examined to see what is going on. Now, each of the pages linked to provides a direct link to the other. It's not obvious to me why one should be preferred over the other.

I almost always use the preview when providing links, and did in this case. Again, I don't see that the link you suggest provides any advantage there.

Or, as I said above, am I missing something? Andrewa 09:29, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The Core
Implicit in my phrase "gives you a chance to double-check your compiling of your research" (in Ph0 & quoted in Ph1) is what you've at least missed letting me know whether you're now aware of. Moving twd the point, i mean that which Namely, your clerical error in Ph0, attributing two forgeries to the same IP.
 * i think i made explicit at least in a draft, but
 * either
 * i accidentally self-refactored out, or
 * you elided or truncated without ellipsis, in quoting above,
 * and is all but explicit in my phrase "forged Jorri's sig, not GrefTek's" that you quote above.

 * Wow, I finally understand what you're talking about! Thank you. Fixed.

Can we start w/ yr clarifying whether you are now aware of that error (and yr either IDing any obviated questions, or restating from scratch if you think that's more efficient) before i explicate more thoroly than the following?

 * I'm now aware of the error. I find your style of writing very hard to understand. Andrewa 01:08, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I confess you are not the first to say so. But i haven't really figured out what to do abt, except thank people for their patience. Thanks. --Jerzy(t) 05:43, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

SP
I know how you feel abt SP (=Sock Puppet); i had to ask abt IASPO, even tho it should have been obvious when it appeared 3 times separating 4 IDs, in a SP discussion.

 * Thank you! Yes, I should have guessed that. Haven't a clue what IASPO means, perhaps it's worth adding?
 * Sorry, thot it was just me: Is A Sock Puppet Of. Someone on WP picked it up somewhere else; don't remember who or where. --Jerzy(t) 05:43, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

"Verifiability"
I should have instead said "fails to minimize verifiability effort".

 * I think this means that you now realise that what you did say isn't true.
 * [shrug] Nothing we say is true; we deal in approximations. But yes, i often have trouble judging the balance between over-approximation and over-explication. (And the longer the turn-around time of the communication channel, the more troublesome the balance is.)  --Jerzy(t) 05:43, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

I think you'll find that effort required, per SP verified as forged and single-contrib, is
 * Your method: linking 3 times and searching the history for an IP-quad
 * Mine: 2 linkings w/o any search

 * I think they both have exactly the same number of linkings and searches. The only difference is which page is displayed first. But there's something strange here. How do you display the user contributions without doing this search? Or do you think it's not useful to do this?
 * I expect the author's effort is pretty close between the two. The difference i see is in the effort of the hopefully many readers.  The research indeed can't be done without going to the history page and searching it.  But repeating that is unnecessary for verifying the accuracy of the result:
 * The identity of the editor is proven by the appropriate edit-diffs page (which is what i suggest providing the link to).
 * The short contribs list is proven by following the contribs link at the top of the upper right-hand column.
 * There is no additional information of interest on the history page, or produced by the search, so with my method, the reader is done without doing anything further. But your method doesn't get the reader to the edit diffs w/o linking to the history page and searching it for an entry with the same IP. That is the difference of which i spoke.--Jerzy(t) 05:43, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

IMO your clerical error got published (as you suggest, despite previewing) bcz you faced an even greater difference of effort in an easier, slightly different, related task.

 * And IMO your method doesn't help. But thanks for the suggestion.
 * IMO you've spoken after some thought that involved a judgement: you judged that your thought experiments were as valuable as actual experiments. (I'm not suggesting you're stupid: that is a normal mode of human behavior, in the absence of specific contrary influences, and the inertia of that pattern should be obvious: Aristotle explained how obvious it is that the heavier something is the faster it falls, and it took nearly 2 millenia before Galileo's experiments (which are symbolized by the leaning-tower story) showed otherwise.  For many people the corrective is their first permanent job.)--Jerzy(t) 05:43, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

Mechanics
Tnx for the helpful notification of resp, but plz skip add'l not'ns until we've finished with this topic: i'll watch for your responses till then.

Tnx for yr attn. --Jerzy(t) 17:03, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)

 * I'm about to do that. Andrewa 01:31, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ph 6
I just hppened to run across this today, in grossly overdue talk-page clean-up:

Hi Jerzy, someone recently used IASO as an abbreviation for "is a sockpuppet of". I wouldn't be surprised if it means something else too. 8^) Hope that helps, Wile E. Heresiarch 19:08, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

I note that i unconsciously evolved it from IASO to IASPO, which might explain the lack of an acro hit. --Jerzy(t) 19:22, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

Boiling Points of Wikipedians
It seems that some folks, for whatever reason, are thinking that "the deletionists" are a problem best solved by unilateral action. You saw the Village Pump discussion, and you and I are on the same general side of the discussion. I hope you note also, though, what Netoholic has begun doing on VfD, beginning with Zhu Yu. I agree with most that some new scheme might be desirable, but we have discussions taking place three different places, and folks are starting to announce the thing settled. This will not do. Geogre 02:02, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Agree it won't do. Tim has just jumped on me for trying to hold the vote I announced two weeks ago for Deletion of user subpages, and cancelled the vote, which involved him editing all the relevant pages to remove my freeze requests too. I suspect that even he has now just lost track of which proposal is which. We will see. Until we get this sorted out, I'm not feeling inclined to get involved in other policy proposals myself. Andrewa 04:07, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Voting on proposed policy
See comments at my talk page. zoney ▓  ▒ talk 10:54, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There's a disclaimer at the top of the village pump that says "Please note: this page is not a place to make lasting comments. Discussions are removed daily to make room for new ones." If you have a better plan for archiving which does not "leave a lot to be desired", I suggest you propose this on the talk page. Otherwise, please do not attack the people who do remove the old sections. The page is currently 153kb, largely as a result of people not being bold enough to clear out the old sections because they fear people will complain about it in exactly the way you have done on Wikipedia talk:Deletion of user subpages. Angela. 12:03, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * Point taken, and I have inserted a clarification into my comments.

 * But I think you are being a bit unkind here. It wasn't intended as criticism of these people, or attack on anyone. Yes, it is criticism of the current system, and I may have a look at that once the dust settles on this vote which is my current priority on policy and procedural matters, and even then it's unlikely to be my top priority.

 * I have been critical of Tim certainly. I still think he simply didn't do his homework. The discussion period was plainly described in the process section, which was deliberately the second section of the page, directly below the vote section that he deleted. As a result he has wasted my time and confused at least one supporter who now demands clarification, and probably others. He has enormous prestige here and his opposition is something I could have done without. But even this is not attack. We are all human.

 * I will be compiling a lessons learned as soon as the dust settles and the proposal is either accepted and working, rejected or (worst) accepted but not working. I have really tried to do the right thing on this one, and some may now ask, what's the point? The time for Tim to comment was in the two weeks in which the proposal (including the process section) was open for discussion. One lesson is that the relevant talk page and the Pump were not sufficient publicity for this proposal.

 * Two other possible places that I considered were the Deletion Policy talk page and the mailing lists. I didn't do these because I wasn't prepared to keep track of the discussion that might have followed in either place, and they didn't seem the best places for this discussion anyway. In hindsight, I should have notified on the Deletion Policy talk page, and belatedly will. I'm now of two minds about the mailing lists. Comments welcome. Andrewa 20:26, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Deletion of user subpages
Hi Andrew, thanks for the heads up on the vote. I for one am bewildered at the opposition to the policy being frozen while voting takes place—I have no idea how a policy vote can possibly work if the policy is changed mid-vote to something different to what the earlier voters supported or opposed?! That's crazy talk! —Stormie 23:19, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * It was a nasty surprise for me. My guess is that for once, Tim didn't do his homework, and that this is a knee-jerk reaction on his part based on the misapprehension that there had been no invitation to discussion previously. We're all human. Andrewa 00:48, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

TV Nova
I've replied to you on my talk page rather than split a discussion between two pages.-gadfium 01:34, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Before present
Hi, monitoring recent changes I noticed a alteration to a page that you seem to know about that looked suspicious to me. Year numbering was changed regarding "before present" and a new page was added, Before Present. Just in case you don't watch that page I thought i'd tell you so you could hopefully fact-check that. :D thanks rhyax 09:11, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"Experiment"
I dislike the "experiment" of moving comments from VFD to talk pages (where they will never be read). Despite the name, the purpose of VfD is discussion, not votes. - Nunh-huh 22:58, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Fair enough, and thanks for the comment. See Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. Andrewa 01:39, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I did. I think if the problem is the length of the page, it could easily be segmented into 7 "daily" pages... M,T,W,Th,F,S,S.... BTW, you say "only lengthy discussions have been moved", yet you moved my comment that was not lengthy. Perhaps it was just lost in the shuffle. - Nunh-huh 01:47, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Personally I think it's logical to segment VfD into daily pages and have said so several times, see Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. Agree your comment could have remained, it was a line call, and if there hadn't been lengthier discussion to deal with I'd never have moved it. Feel free to move or copy it back. Andrewa 07:06, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Not a big deal, I think the info has been communicated. Good luck fixing VfD, though I'm not sure it's broken  - Nunh-huh 23:35, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Your suggestions and thoughts welcome
I know that I'm going to regret this, but I've been tinkering with a policy page. It's in the "so preliminary it's scary" phase right now, but your consideration is welcome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Managed_Deletion Geogre 17:46, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Jeeee, just realised I forgot to answer you :-( Perhaps I have misunderstood :-( How embarassing. Feel free to remove my vote from there if that makes a difference then Andrewa. That will be okay by me. SweetLittleFluffyThing

Occupation of Palestine
Please see my question at Votes_for_deletion/Occupation_of_Palestine -- Jmabel 01:21, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Anon

 * Hi, Andrew. It's the ex-Lucky 6.9 here.  I guess I still have enough of the Wikipedia fever to want to pop in anonymously every so often and try to clean up the joint.  Sorry about the speedy tag on that huge, rambling "article," but I didn't want to VfD it as an anon.  This IP is here at work, so please feel free to drop me a line at production@dc.rr.com during business hours at UTC minus 7.  Have a great weekend! - 67.52.108.20 23:55, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

RC4 move
Thanks for moving RC4 (cipher)! And, sorry, I should have mentioned the discussion with User:Kevyn in my request ... I had assumed there was a consensus to move it (or, at least, a consensus that it was Wikipedia policy), but this isn't immediately obvious from the discussion. — Matt 21:48, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Flying fox tails
I just wanted to drop you a quick thank-you for the work you've done on flying fox, etc. Sorting out all those differences among Australian, American, and British English was a confusing — but ultimately fruitful — discussion. This is one of the reasons I like wiki so much: the authors themselves can broaden their own horizons (however clumsily), simulateously hacking a path through the jungle for future readers. Thank you! • Benc • 05:54, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

beta Systemic Bias section
Hi, if you wish to help contribute to a beta version of a Wikipedia page section designed to counter-act Wikipedia's systematic bias, please sign the bottom of this section on the Village pump - Village_pump. If not, no worries.--Xed 03:33, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Back for now
Hi, Andrew. Got your message on my anon page and I wanted you to know that I'm back. I'm still limiting my exposure somewhat as I don't wish to burn out. So, I've added a couple of new articles and I'm working on the older ones I've done. Thanks for geting back to me. - Lucky 6.9 16:55, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Wikiproject Sydney
Want to join? I'm still formulating policy. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:02, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Tabs at top behaving strangely
Andrewa, unfortunately your workaround didn't work for me. However, your suggestion gave me the idea that it was basically a stylesheet problem, so then I delved into the monobook stylesheet. The odd thing about this bug is that it looks like there's plenty of blank space in an 800x600 res to fit in all the tabs, but nevertheless the display screws up by "wrapping" the tabs for some inexplicable reason. After studying the code for a while, I was able to locate the source of the problem:

...   width: 76%; ... }
 * 1) p-cactions {

The above line applies only to the tabs at the top of the page, and to no other elements on the page. The problem the width statement creates problems is that 76% of the width of a 800x600 screen is not enough to hold all the tabs. Therefore, I then changed my stylesheet by adding this line to my personal monobook.css page:

 * 1) p-cactions { width: 100%; }

Now the tabs display properly in an 800x600 resolution! (Even better: this change does not create problems—or even change the display at all—in larger resolutions. In fact, I don't understand why the stylesheet developers even chose to make the width 76% in the first place; unless I'm missing something, it should always have been 100%. 100% doesn't screw up the column to the left, either.)

Anyway, thanks for the comments. You helped me find a solution.

--Lowellian 05:26, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

Argg, okay, I spoke too soon. There is a slight problem with what I posted above, and now I see why the stylesheet developers chose to post a value less than 100%. It creates blank space to the right of the page, so that in an 800x600 res a horizontal scroll bar will appear at the bottom of the window. However, though 100% does not work, the following does (without being so wide as to create a horizontal scroll bar), and it fixes the stacking tabs problem.

 * 1) p-cactions { width: 80%; }

Now it works! (I think.)

--Lowellian 05:35, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

Thayer Vfd efforts
Thanks Andrew. I don't get ruffled easily — and stay miles away from stuff where I might! Too much good stuff to do, if something gets zoofy, I just run. Best, Bill

Why Vfd
I finally put why I put Sweetheart on Vfd in more detail. Also see Talk:Boyfriend for a complete description of how it is to be done. Any way that does not involve deletion?? 66.245.64.202 20:36, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Specifically, how is it to be merged?? Here are the steps:

 * 1) Delete Sweetheart
 * 2) Move girlfriend to sweetheart using the "move this page" option
 * 3) Re-word the new sweetheart article so that it talks about the two sexes equally.
 * 4) Simply make boyfriend a re-direct. (Note that girlfriend will automatically be a re-direct after finishing option 2.)
 * 5) Add a link to Sweetheart (company) (which will remain as it is,) at the top of the new page.

Any other way to do this?? 66.245.64.202 20:48, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for correcting the position of your message from simply User:ID to User_talk:ID. But, have you yet read what I wrote above this?? 66.245.64.202 20:43, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes. Andrewa 21:10, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * And what comments do you have?? Any alternate way to do it besides the above way?? Please break it down into several steps just as I did with the technic I wrote above that begins with deleting Sweetheart. 66.245.64.202 21:12, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Slow down. I'm getting sick of the edit conflicts. And sorry about the wrong button on your user page, I hope that's all fixed now.

 * What you have proposed doesn't preserve the history. If you rewrite it so it does, I think you'll find that the necessary delete then becomes a speedy delete (and if not it should be).

 * But what exactly are you trying to achieve anyway? The results won't be neat in any case. Why not leave the histories where they are? Andrewa 21:26, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The answer is that boyfriend and girlfriend are articles I think should be merged and I want to know what the best way to do it without deleting a page is. 66.245.64.202 21:29, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I also wrote what I don't like about the 2 other choices at Talk:Boyfriend just a while ago. 66.245.64.202 21:31, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Continued at talk:boyfriend. Andrewa 00:49, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Ancient Egypt Update
Hi Andrew, I remember that once upon a time you were interested in matters concerning Ancient Egypt. A group of us have been discussing the standardization the names & dates of rulers in this subject, & as a result of this discussion, I've put together a list of rulers & dates as a talking point for our proposed standard. Please take a look at WikiProject Ancient Egypt/Temp, & join the discussion on the talk page. -- llywrch 00:08, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Your recent problems with mozilla & the monobook skin
If mozilla (seamonkey suite) and firefox have such a drastically different behaviour on a website, I'm sure the mozilla developers would be interested to know about it and "fix" seamonkey (even in the case that our CSS is broken and not mozilla, if firefox is able to grok it, seamonkey should too). Have you considered reporting this at their bugzilla? In case you've already done so, sorry for the spam. Thanks! -- Paddu 05:42, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the comments, they're certainly not spam.
 * Yeah, just found that you're very tolerant, from the size of your talk page & its subpages.

 * I'm not sure I'm in the position to document the problems sufficiently to give a helpful bug report. It's a very complex configuration management problem IMO, and one that we're going to meet again as other features are added to the software. There have been other reports of strange behaviour that basically come down to poorly-tested modifications to the skin IMO, and for every one person who reports such problems there are probably ten to a hundred who experience them and say nothing.

 * I hope that eventually we will restrict modifications to the default skin and a few others to developers only, and have an approval process by which all functional changes to these (even by developers) go through a public approval process. Andrewa 06:11, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I'd thought what you said was that at 800x600 resolution, mozilla seamonkey takes 30 minutes to load any page with the monobook skin. So you could just point them to http://en.wikipedia.org/ (anon. -> monobook skin) and tell that seamonkey takes ages to load at 800x600 resolution, specifying your OS (& probably video card, etc.?) but firefox opens it fine. -- Paddu 08:36, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I think I see what you mean, but the problem is that this is not guaranteed to reproduce the problem, owing to the frequent changes to the monobook skin. The advantage of the classic skin is not any superior design IMO, it's simply the fact that people are leaving it alone, so bugs and other glitches have mostly been been fixed. There's a dichotomy here. People tend to fiddle with the default skin rather than one that is relatively little used, both because they use it themselves and also because it's the most important one. On the other hand, it's also the one we most want to be stable. Andrewa 23:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Church
Hi, Andrew. Thanks for your encouraging remarks about --Uncle Ed (El Dunce) 17:53, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wiki Junior Project
We are currently in the process of deciding what the first topics will be. We have already decided that the first humanities topic will be Countries of the World:South America. We need to decide what our first science topic will be. We already have plenty of pictures available for Big Cats, The Solar System and Human Flight. We're having a little vote to decide which one we should work on first. Please come to Wikijunior project first topics. Cheers! Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 07:44, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the note. I don't know what to say about the whole deletion thread that brewed up last night, except that it seems quite a bit more exhausting to defend an article than it is to write one.

I apologize if I was over-ardent. The article really was the least of it: I write professionally, and there's a bit of ego that goes along with that, in terms of process and working on things until they're done -- an impulse to chase people away from one's workspace when one's in the middle of something.

Do these discussions happen often, or is the decision whether to delete an article usually pretty clear-cut? Auto movil 21:08, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I'd have to say that they happen far too often IMO! There has always been something of a problem. When I was fairly new here, I was following a trail I must resume someday, starting with a significant little booklet How to Lie with Satistics by Darrell Huff. Anyway, in writing one of those stubs I ran across a collaboration with another author, Henry Felsen, who had sold over eight million children's books of a style we'd now consider politically incorrect I guess, so I wrote a stub on him too. He wasn't anyone I was particularly interested in, but he's clearly encyclopedic IMO, eight million book sales back in the 1940s and 1950s really meant something.

 * Six minutes after I started writing the stub it was vandalised by a sysop and listed for deletion. When I reverted the vandalism, he just put it back. He also removed the wikilink from a list I'd added it to, with the explanation remove unknown academic or similar. When challenged he pointed out (correctly) that I'd mispelled the guy's name (a typo), and (also correctly) that a substub is a candidate for speedy deletion. The typo seems to be the only evidence he'd considered; The substub consisted of an external link to an archive of the guy's work (where the name was spelled correctly of course) and was not an orphan. He made no attempt to contact me.

 * The explanation that I'd made this typo was the closest I ever got to an apology, and I was criticised (rightly I guess but...!) for commenting revert utter stupidity when removing the vandalism of the substub I'd created and was in the middle of expanding (and having edit conflicts with the other guy of course). The sysop who comitted the vandalism was described as a model Wikipedian.

 * So we've always had these problems and always will, but lately I see a few worrying trends. There are a couple of newer, rather aggressive sysops who are modelling behaviour that completely ignores the principle of wikilove in their VfD work, and maybe it's my imagination but I think their attitude is spreading. These guys are also a bit trigger-happy, their output and enthusiasm is great but their research tends to be on the shallow side IMO - not that mine is always perfect.

 * Anyway, I hope you hang in here. The better writers tend to be the more polite in my experience, but probably also the more sensitive about their own work. I think that people who are careful of the truth tend to be careful of people too, and vice versa. And I think it's a great project, obviously, and despite various reasons why wikipedia is not so great. Andrewa 19:25, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Lucas Heights Accelerator
Hi Andrew. I was just wondering where you got the figure for a 3GeV accelerator at Lucas Heights in your Australian Atomic Energy Commission article? I haven't heard of this accelerator but have heard of accelerators that they have there in the 3MeV range. Martyman 11:42, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

G'day Martyman.

I'm going from memory, so I may have the energy wrong. When I worked there, there were two vandergraafs in service. The big one was a proton accelerator in the same building that housed MOATA reactor, and that's the one I'm describing as 3GeV.

The little one was an electron accelerator in a lab across the road, and was far less powerful in terms of particle energy.

The fascinating thing about the two was that although you could safely stand next to the big machine while it was operating (for short periods with a film badge), the little machine gave off such powerful hard X-rays that it needed four inches of lead!

But my area of expertise was computing, not particle physics. I'll see if I can find an old annual report to verify. Andrewa 17:50, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * More info... the little vandergraaf was called the betatron, and the big one has now been replaced or extended to some sort of tandem configuration. This subsequent development belongs in the ANSTO article, not the AAEC one I guess. MOATA was still there in the other end of the building but decommissioned and defuelled last I heard. Andrewa 20:29, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I work at the Research School of Physical Sciences and Engineering at the ANU. If it is a single ended vandergraf accelerator you are talking about then I am sure that the number is something like 3MeV. GeV would either require some method I haven't heard of or a large collider type accelerator sever kilometres accross. We had an old 1960s 2MeV vandergraf at work that was probably pretty similar to the one you are describing. The lack of electron supression made it an incredable producer of high energy X-Rays, much worse than the newer higher energy machine that have replaced it. I have a photo of our old 2Mev machine opened for servicing, here.

 * I attended a workshop with the ansto accelerator technitions recently. If I can recall correctly they currently have three accelerators. An old single ended vandergraf that is at the end of it's life, a new solid state tandem ("tandetron") commissioned this year to replace it and a large 3 or 4MV?? tandem vandergraph that was bought second hand from England and installed in around 1992. Interestingly our school used to have a very similar large tandem but it was shipped to new zealand.

 * I didn't realise that they used to have a second reactor. It must have been on a lot smaller scale to the HIFAR reactor? Martyman 21:52, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I just opened up the powerpoint file from the lab overview talk I attended. The old Vandergraf that is close to being de-commissioned is a 3 MeV machine, the new machine is a 2 Million Volt tandem ("tandetron") called "STAR" and the big vandergraph machine is a 10 Million Volt tandem called "ANTARES". Martyman 23:05, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes. I've been going through AAEC Annual reports and what I most want is not very clearly set out, but it appears that the big vandergraf was a 3MeV proton accelerator, and was commissioned in 1964. So I was several orders of magnitude out! Thanks for the correction.

 * MOATA was 10 watts thermal, and directly air cooled. Andrewa 23:57, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Sounds like the same old 3MeV accelerator that is still in use today. I believe they have been experimenting with running plastic charging belts on it as they can no longer source the OEM rubber ones. I have some photos in the powerpoint presentations I have, but they are not mine to release onto wikipedia. Martyman 00:58, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm much the same. The photos I have are almost all Australian Government copyright. Cameras were banned on site when I worked there (the same as most heavy industry sites), so it was use the official photographer's stuff or nothing.

 * We need an article on ANSTO, which should cover or link to subsequent accelerator developments, including the cyclotron at RPA, and the new reactor project... although I notice reading old annual reports that the replacement reactor was first recommended back in the 1960s! The design recommended then is almost exactly what they are now building. I'll do an article on MOATA sometime. Andrewa 03:05, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Damper comments

 * Andrew, Thanks for your comments on the Damper article on my talk page. It was greatly appreciated.

Capitalistroadster 06:13, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

RFC pages on VfD
Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:17, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * IMO and FWIW, I think the best think to do with these nominations is just to vote keep, and let them percolate through the normal process with a minimum of comment. Andrewa 16:26, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wikibooks
Thanks for your kind words. I'm not quite satisfied with it, but I think it captures some of the VfD flavor nicely. JRM 17:20, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)

Lazslo Kavacs (cinematographer) VFD
I fully respect you for stubifying the article, and your personal opinions. However, I feel criticising me for initially listing the article was a little over the top (although I can understand that people might not agree that the original article should have been speedy deleted). The initial article as it stood contravened What Wikipedia is not as it was solely a link, and being posted by an anoymous user I assumed it was spam/advertising (which, incidentally, it probably was).

Anyway, as my nomination drew attention to the article, and resulted in the page being improved it is for the better. Happy editing. Rje 21:11, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tee
Hi andrewa, please have a look at Talk:Tee - I think you are mistaken about a point that you reinserted in tee. Best, Kosebamse 05:40, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Haus Panorama
Hi Andrew, I've just had a look at the article. This dormitory ( engl.) does not seem to be a particularly remarkable one of the (many) student homes in Vienna. Only one (rather unusual) dorm is mentionend in Gasometer (Wien), I don't understand why the "Haus Panorama" deserves its own article. --Markus 20:05, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Echidnae
Hey, I'm just responding to your comment you left me in my Talk:Echidnae page. I see that the Ceciliantas page has been deleted, and looking back now, I think that was a good move. I'll remember what you have said to me, as I'm still learning how to use Wikipedia in the best way. I've been away on vacation for some time now, so it's been hard to get any amount of work done online in Wikipedia. I just thought I should let you know why my input on Wikipedia has been minimal for now. I do plan to get more involved when I get back home, as long as I have time I can devote towards it. Thanks for all your comments and replies to mine. Being new here, I like all of the feedback I can get. --Echidnae 05:07, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * That's user talk:Echidnae. See reply there. Andrewa 05:23, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Removed text
''The following are things others have added to my user page, I assume in error. They go back a while, and I have no idea now what some of them are about. Andrewa 10:05, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)''

Hi...I welcome your feedback about User:Brettz9/videoscript not being on Requests for comment. My reason for including it here was not simply that it was a pet project that I wanted help with, but that it was really a project which belonged to the Wikipedia community. Perhaps such requests should be on a separate page, but I didn't know whether such a page existed. The name "requests for comment" seemed to fit. If you can think of a better alternative, please let me know. Thanks. [[User:Brettz9|Brettz9 (talk)]] 03:36, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

About fwice, thanks for letting me know. Christopher Mahan 19:35, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

re Engrish, thanks for the moral support. Just so you know, the person who got the vote in before I commented was really, really fast :) and I'd never nominated a page for deletion before. Vincent 23:14, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ha. Beats me. Feel free to delete that poor lonely brown bear subspecies. :) jengod 22:24, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

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Hey Andrew... I removed it because it made what was previously part of the intro into the beginning of the main body of the text - I dunno if you did that on purpose, but I think it would be better simply as part of the intro, or else lower down in the main body if you think it needs to be expanded into its own section. Graft 06:07, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Returning to English name
Hi, I hope you can visit [|my proposal] to change an article back to its common english name, and can see your way to voice support for the move. I just thought if a couple of people voice agreement before hand it hopefully will less the chance of social problems. All Best :)Daeron 12:38, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

By the way: what about Average Rule?
I don't particularly want to pile on Iasson, and I'm not really sure who created the article, but why wasn't it ever proposed for VfD? I don't want to step into a s--tstorm by proposing it, but my current hypothesis regarding Iasson's behavior is that he is in fact the creator of the Average Rule and is hoping to get Wikipedia to be the first organization in the universe actually to adopt it. It seems to me to be a neologism that's in no real use. I have this page temporarily on my watchlist if you want to reply here. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:31, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you mean average rule (no capital r). Interesting theory, I'd encourage you to pursue it, as will I. As for s--tstorms, sometimes they're inevitable. Andrewa 18:43, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, on reading the article and its talk page, it seems a definite VfD candidate on the grounds of original research. Some of the content is also disputable IMO, much of the material submitted by anons uses similar phrasing to Iasson, and it seems to cover most (perhaps all) of the points he has been making in commenting in the RfC. That's consistent with your theory.

 * Why not VfD it? And, what's the alternative? Andrewa 19:03, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I see someone beat me to it. I wanted to wait to see what other editors to that page had said. As for the "eleven other articles" I suspect they will not be too hard to find—many of them will probably prove to be linked from his other articles—and his style is easily recognizable. It may even be able to find some of them by global text search. I don't think there will be many of them because—at least so far—I don't perceive that he created these articles out of hostility toward Wikipedia. I think he is just a little monomaniacal about his proposed voting systems. The most antisocial thing about him is his apparent unwillingness, no matter how clearly expressed, to accept group decisions, however obvious, when arrived at by any means other than his own. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:10, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

West Papua
Hi, I'm sorry I only just found out about your response Request for peer review a few hours ago; unfortunately you'd posted your thoughts just one day after I left Wikipedia; the mindless reverting of Wik's & John's had made it impossible to contribute to any subjects on Wikipedia. - so I left for several months in hopes they'd be delt with or find something else to amuse them.

You comments were just the kind of feedback I was hoping to get before they started their edit & revert attacks last year. I've done a quick edit of the Map & Intro of the West Papua article; I would really appreciate your feedback if possible.

And if possible? Any comments on West Papuan genocide - though John's version is much funnier, he's removed the name of the document which the article is written around. Gota love them ;-)--Daeron 19:33, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Just Separated non-province info to West Papua.

Moved Papua (Indonesian province) to Papua Province, Indonesia

Moved West Irian Jaya to West Irian Jaya Province, Indonesia

In accord with Wikipedia naming conventions, and what was proposed last week on discussion page. To confirm established world usage outside Wikipedia: Google "Papua Province" provides 737 English all non-Wikipedia pages; Google "Papua (Indonesian province)" provides 236 English only copies of Wikipedia pages. I submit John or Wik/Gzornenplatz actions are only motivated by personality difference.--Daeron 21:29, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Having just been told of the Requested_moves page I have just submiited the first of possibly a few pages for moving. Could you and any other people have a look? --Daeron 21:46, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Getalis' Height Project
Greetings, and many thank yous for your support and advice regarding my series of Height pages. I hadn't the slightest clue this was going to be so controversial! I'm still having trouble getting into the minds of my attackers. Why does this upset them so? Thanks for the format suggestion for the six-foot-three page. I've adopted it as the future standard. Now, if I could only re-format the ones created beforehand... Anyway, I hope to win a few more comrades before the axe comes down on Thursday. Perhaps extending the upper range would help? 6'6", 6'7", etc.

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Hawkstone Park

Hawkstone Park is a historic landscape park in Shropshire, England, with pleasure grounds and gardens.

It historically associated with Soulton Hall the Shropshire headquarters of Sir Rowland Hill ("Old Sir Rowland") publisher of the Geneva Bible, (d.1561) because these two estates were bought by him in 1556 from Sir Thomas Lodge (father of the writer Thomas Lodge, who penned the source book of Shakespeare's play As You Like It). For these reasons, the landscape is increasingly linked with the inspiration for that play. One of the reasons for the dominance of the landscape as an eighteenth century attraction is the Geneva Bible' enduring internal importance and is known in America as the Founders Bible, as well as being and the Bible of Shakespeare, Donne and Milton.

In the later 1600s, Hawkstone Hall was built as another headquarters of the legacy estates of "Old Sir Rowland".

The park, north east of the small village of Weston-under-Redcastle, near Wem. is listed Grade I in Historic England's Register of Parks and Gardens. It is known for its follies.

Overview
Today the park consists of 100 acre of follies and landscaped parkland grounds and rocky outcrops, based around the ruins of the medieval Red Castle.

A climax in the development of the landscape is considered to be associated with the work of Richard Hill (1655–1727), also known as 'The Great Hill', circa 1707. The follies, estate and reputation were further enhanced by his nephew and heir Sir Rowland Hill, 1st Baronet Hill of Hawkstone (1705–1783) and then Sir Richard Hill, 2nd Baronet (1733–1808) during the 18th century.

The park endured a century of neglect and decay until an ongoing programme of restoration was started in 1990, enabling it to be re-opened in 1993. It is now scheduled as Grade-1 listed on the National Register of Historic Parks and Gardens. It takes a 2.5-hour hiking tour to completely see each folly and their landscapes (a reasonable level of physical fitness and mobility is required and there are many steps, ascents and descents). At some times of the year, not all site trails are accessible.

Castle

Red Castle, the first castle at Hawkstone Park, was built in 1227 by Henry de Audley (Alditheley), Sheriff of Shropshire and Staffordshire. This Norman enclosure castle was built of sandstone on a natural outcrop of rock, flanked on all sides by wide valleys. The castle has been known by various names: Red Castle; Rubree; Radeclif, Redcliffe, Redde, Castle Rous, and Hawkstone. About the same time (1227-1232) Henry also built Heighley Castle at Madeley, Staffordsire, and made it the family caput. Subsequent generations of Audleys were also known as Lords of Heleigh Castle, and expanded from there. The site of the Red Castle is closed to the public as it is unsafe. It takes up the top of Red Castle Hill (the westerly outcropping hill of the park grounds), a crag overlooking the golf course and Weston to its south east. John Tuchet, 4th Baron Audley (1371–1408) inherited the title via his sister, then survived the uprising of Owain Glyndŵr and the Battle of Shrewsbury in 1403, where he fought against Henry "Hotspur" Percy. His son James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley (1398–1459) was killed by Sir Roger Kynaston, whilst leading the House of Lancaster at the Battle of Blore Heath in 1459. The Audleys forfeited the title when James Tuchet, 7th Baron Audley (c. 1463–1497) led a rebellion against King Henry VII of England in 1497 and was executed. The Audley title was restored to John Tuchet, 8th Baron Audley in 1512.

The "Red Castle", as it became known, was held by the family until the early 16th century initially as their main Shropshire stronghold. Repairs were undertaken in 1283. It was in use in 1322, but by around 1400 it seems no longer occupied.

When Leland visited the castle in around 1540 he described it as ruinous.

Tudor period
In the sixteenth century, the manors Soulton and Hawkstone (the latter of which includes the village) were obtained in 1556 by Sir Rowland Hill, the coordinator of the Geneva Bible who is associated with Shakespeare’s play As You Like It. Sir Rowland Hill made his residence at Soulton and recruited the Hawkstone landscape for allegorical landscape gardens addressing his house there.

Eventually the lands passed via Sir Andrew Corbet of Moreton Corbet to Sir Rowland Hill, 1st Baronet Hill of Hawkstone (1705–1783), who lived nearby at Shelvock Manor. The hall at Hawkstone dates from the late 1600s, with records indicating the senior house in Hawkstone was in ruins in Tudor times. It is recorded that:

"in the ruin of Red Castle... Rowland Hill the Royalist found it convenient to hide, for his own safety and the good of the Commonwealth"

Restoration

Richard Hill (1655–1727), 'The Great Hill', traveller and diplomat, had made a fortune by 'lucrative arithmetick' (sic), raised the family into the aristocracy, and established an existing Hawkstone Manor House as a seat of that branch of the family. He started partial demolition of the house in 1701, replacing it with the Hall, completing it circa 1707.

Georgian
Sir Rowland Hill, 1st Baronet (1705–1783), landscaped the Red Castle and extended the estate, with walks over the four natural hills and a wide range of follies that included a hermit to dispense wisdom to visitors.

Sir Richard Hill, 2nd Baronet (1733–1808) took over on his father’s death in 1783, published a guide for visitors and built the 'Hawkstone Inn' to accommodate them. He engaged landscape gardener William Emes to build a vast manmade lake, the Hawk River and his follies included a 'ruined' Gothic architecture Arch on Grotto Hill, the urn, a tribute to an English Civil War ancestor, the Swiss Bridge, and the 100 ft obelisk with an internal staircase, topped by a statue of the original Sir Rowland Hill. Hawkstone Park had become one of Britain’s top attractions by the time he died in 1808. It maintained this status under his brother Sir John Hill, 3rd Baronet (1740–1824).

Victorian collapse
Sir Rowland Hill, 4th Baronet Hill of Hawkstone, 2nd Viscount Hill (1800–1875) inherited, spent and lost a large fortune. He created two new drives, one at vast expense through a rock cutting, and even considered completely relocating the hall across the park. In 1824-5 he built a dower house known as The Citadel in Gothic Revival style. His extravagance and bad management caused a descent into a mess that was inherited in 1875 by his son, Rowland Clegg-Hill, the 3rd Viscount Hill (1833–1895) who was bankrupt by the time of his death in 1895, forcing the sale of the contents of the hall and then the split up of the estate by 1906.

Twentieth century and later
During World War II, parts of the park were used as a prisoner of war camp.

Hawkstone Park is now largely restored, and once again open to the public. It is protected as a Grade I historic park.

Wider landscape
There are various caves, tunnels through the rock, walkways, viewpoints and trails winding through Rhododendron plantations.

The Obelisk

Lately known as "The Monument", this a is column built to be 110 ft high commemorating Sir Rowland Hill of Soulton. He coordinated the Geneva Bible translation    and was the first Protestant Mayor of London. There has been come friction relating to its original and traditional name "The Obelisk", which is explicable because of the status of the person to whom it was raised.

The statue on the top is a modern replacement. The original eighteenth century statue was a copy from an ancient monument, which before the fire of London stood in the church of St. Stephens Walbrook.

He is holding a copy of the Magna Carta and pointing towards his house at Soulton Hall.

The text originally on the Hawkstone pillar read as follows:

THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL BE HAD IN EVERLASTING REMEMBRANCE.-Psalm cxi. 6.

The first stone of this Pillar was laid by Sir Richard Hill, Bart. Member in several Parliaments for this County, on the 1st day of October, in the year 1795; who caused it to be erected, not only for the various uses of an Observatory, and to feast the eye, by presenting to it at one view, a most luxuriant and extensive prospect, which takes in not less than twelve (or, as some assert, fifteen) counties; but from motives of justice, respect, and gratitude to the memory of a truly great and good man, viz. Sir Rowland Hill, Knt.... he became one of the most considerable and opulent merchants of his time, and was Lord Mayor of the same, in the second and third years of Edward VI, anno 1549 and 1550, and was the first Protestant who filled that high office. Having embraced the principles of the Reformation, he zealously exerted himself in behalf of the Protestant cause, and having been diligent in the use of all religious exercises, prayerful, conscientious, and watchful (as a writer of his character expresses it), yet trusting only in the merits of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, he exchanged his life for a better, a short while after the death of that pious young monarch, being aged nearly seventy years. For a considerable time previous to his decease, he gave up his mercantile occupations, that he might with more devotedness of heart attend to the great concerns of another world. His lands, possessions, and church patronage, were immense; particularly in the counties of Salop and Chester; the number of his tenants (none of whom he ever raised or fined) amounting to one thousand one hundred and eighty-one, as appears from his own hand writing. But his private virtues, good deeds, and munificent spirit, were quite unlimited, and extended-like the prospect before us, East, West, North, and South, far surpassing all bounds. "Being sensible," saith Fuller (speaking of him in his "Worthies of England"), "that "his great estate was given him of God," it was his desire to devote it to his glory. He built a spacious church in his own parish of Hodnet, and likewise the neighbouring church of Stoke, at his own expense. He built Tern and Atcham Bridges in this county, both of hewn stone, and containing several arches each. He also built other large bridges of timber. He built and endowed several Free Schools, particularly that of Drayton. He made and paved divers highways for the public utility. He founded exhibitions, and educated many students at both Universities, and supported at the Inns of Court others who were brought up to the Law. He was the unwearied friend of the widow and the fatherless. He clothed annually three hundred poor people in his own neighbourhood, both with shirts and coats; and in the city of London he gave £500 (an immense sum in those days) to St. Bartholomew's hospital, besides (saith Fuller) £600 to Christ Church hospital. He also gave most liberally to all other hospitals, and at his death bequeathed £150 to the poor of all the Wards in London. He had no children, but his relations and kinsfolk were numerous, who all partook largely of his bounty, both in his lifetime and at his death. He constantly kept up a great family household, where he maintained good hospitality. Many resorted to him for his wise and salutary advice; and none who came to him were ever sent empty or dissatisfied away.

Go and do thou likewise, as far as thy ability will permit, without injury to thy own relations.

To suffer such a character to sink into oblivion, would be in the highest degree ungrateful, as well as injurious to posterity, for whose imitation it is held up. There is a view across Hawk Lake to Hawkstone Abbey Farm.

Red Castle
The adaption of a somewhat unusual location for a medieval castle provides a valuable insight into the development of military architecture in this region in the 13th century. The upstanding remains of individual buildings, including those cut into the rock, contain important architectural features.

Ravens' Shelf
This is one of the wildest spots in Hawkstone Park.

White Tower
The White Tower is an octagonal red brick tower, once lime washed. Inside it originally had traces of a green, red and yellow colour scheme. Today it has a waxwork of the generals Viscount Hill and the Duke of Wellington inside.

The Grotto caves
The Grotto may have originated as a 5th-century copper mine. This once contained elaborate decoration which included shells, slag, coral and ore-encrusted walls and coloured glass in its windows.

The arch
There is an arch called "The Arch" on the top of Grotto Hill.

Urn
Placed in commemoration of a member of the Hill family who hid in the Redcastle and the caves during the Civil War after the Hill houses at Soulton and Hawkstone had been ransacked by Parliamentarians around the time of the battle of Wem.

Cleft and Swiss Bridge
The Cleft is a narrow passage in the cliff which is spanned by the Swiss Bridge.

Menagerie
Standing on the southern slope of the Elysian Hill, the Menagerie housed a collection of stuffed birds in early C19. The arcade collapsed after a gale in 1952.

Greenhouse
This gothic style building was originally constructed as a halfway point for refreshments.

Hermitage
This thatched building was present by 1787 and restored in the 1990s.

Stone arch
This is on the roadway to Hawkstone Hall, excavated from hill to form a threshold.

Cleft
This is a later 1700s excavation of steps to connect to a long entrance tunnel into the Grotto.

Grand Valley
This is a level area between the Hawkstone Hills.

Terrace Arboretum
Throughout the 1700s and 1800s, plants and trees were brought in from around the world. Many of these were planted along the terrace, providing shelter from the hot sun or rain. Nowadays, the Terrace Arboretum contains a forest of rhododendron.

Soulton Hall
Soulton Hall was the house of Sir Rowland Hill, built by 1560, which recruited the Hawkstone landscape for allegorical landscape gardens.

This is understood to be the "Tower,/Relict of Ages" referred to in the sonnet below.

Hawkstone Hall
The eighteenth century phase is associated with the hall at Hawkstone.

In a compartment at the west end of the garden of this building is a cemetery for priests associated with the former Redemptorist seminary located at Hawkstone Hall from 1926 to 1973.

The Citadel
The Citadel is a dower house on the estate built to represent the arms of the Hill family. It was built in 1824-5 to a design by Thomas Harrison of Chester.

Hawkstone Abbey Farm
The building now known as Hawkstone Abbey Farm is an "eye-catcher" from Hawkstone and was part of the Hill projects over the estates.

Filming
The landscape was used to represent parts of Narnia in the BBC's TV adaptation of C. S. Lewis's books in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe in 1988 and Prince Caspian a year later.

King Arthur and the Holy Grail
The area is associated with the Arthurian story of the giants Tarquin and Tarquinus, with records of this in the 1700s.

They are said to have owned the Red Castle, and their brother Sir Carados who captured Sir Gawain. Sir Lancelot and Sir Tristam of the Round Table set out to rescue their friend. They encountered Sir Carados carrying Sir Gawain bound and tied across his saddle and after a legendary fight Sir Lancelot killed the giant at Killguards near Weston Church freeing Sir Gawain.

Legend has it that King Arthur addressed his knights in the caves contained within this parkland. There is a legend that one of the caves of Hawkstone Park was the burial ground of King Arthur.

There is a folklore belief that the Holy Grail was in the grotto caves in Hawkstone; this is associated with an early Roman scent jar which was found inside a sculpture of an eagle when that sculpture broke in the 1920s.

Culture and cultural references

Dr. Johnson visited and wrote of Hawkstone as follows:

 * "its prospects, the awfulness of its shades, the horrors of its precipices, the verdure of its hollows and the loftiness of its rocks ... above is inaccessible altitude, below is horrible profundity." (1774).

Erasmus Darwin also visited, and notes the outcrops of copper-bearing rocks...
 * "at Hawkstone in Shropshire, the seat of Sir Richard Hill, there is an elevated rock of siliceous sand which is coloured green with copper in many places high in the air." (1783).

Pasquale Paoli visited the landscape.

Benjamin Franklin knew the landscape and the family.

A sonnet was written about the view from Hawkstone in the early 1800s in the following terms:

O, gentle Spirit of these fairy lands!

Where fragrant Bowers and peaceful Caves abound,

Where craggy Rocks with green eternal crown'd

Frown on the Vale, in which quiescent stands

The silver Lake expansive; where the Tower,

Relict of ages, casts a mournful shade

Along the turf, 'neath which the bones are laid

Of warriors once exalted high in power,

Who wielded here, in martial line, the sword:-

Where Order dwells with rude Disorder wild,

In scenes-tremendous these, those sweetly mild: -

Spirit! a place in these thy haunts afford:"

Here gay and sad a calm retreat may find,-

Peace for the peaceless breast-Joy for the joyful mind.

Current operations

Hawkstone follies is currently combined with an adjacent hotel (formerly a lodge of the hall) marketed in association with the Principal Hayley Group golf course.

Golf course
Hawkstone Park has two 18-hole golf courses, set in and around the parkland. Sandy Lyle was tutored in golf by his father Alex, who was the resident golf professional at Hawkstone.

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Cotys

Cotys may refer to:

People

 * Cotys I (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Cotys II (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Cotys III (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Cotys IV, Odrysian king of Thrace
 * Cotys V, Odrysian king of Thrace
 * Cotys VI, King of Thrace
 * Cotys VII, King of Thrace
 * Cotys VIII, King of Thrace
 * Cotys IX, son to Cotys VIII and Roman Client King of Lesser Armenia
 * Tiberius Julius Cotys I (fl. 1st century), second grandson to Cotys VIII and King of the Bosporan Kingdom
 * Tiberius Julius Cotys II (fl. 2nd century), King of the Bosporan Kingdom
 * Tiberius Julius Cotys III (died 235), King of the Bosporan Kingdom

Mythology

 * Cotys, mythical king of Lydia in Greek mythology.

Other uses

 * Cotys (insect), a genus of insect in the family Tetrigidae

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Horizon (Star Trek: Enterprise)

"Horizon" is the twentieth episode of the second season of the science fiction television series Star Trek: Enterprise, and originally aired on April 16, 2003, on UPN. The episode was written by André Bormanis and directed by James A. Contner. The episode's guest stars included Nicole Forester, who had previously appeared in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine; Joan Pringle; and Corey Mendell Parker.

Set in the 22nd century, the series follows the adventures of the first Starfleet starship Enterprise, registration NX-01. When the ship detours to observe volcanic activity on a planet, Ensign Mayweather (Anthony Montgomery) takes the opportunity to visit his family on board the E.C.S. Horizon.

Montgomery had previously suggested the appearance of Mayweather's parents at the end of season one, and was pleased to see them introduced. Several sets to create the Horizon were created on a soundstage, with the related scenes filmed in the second half of the episode's shoot after the main cast were dismissed, with the exception of Montgomery. Critical response was mixed, and the episode received the lowest ratings for a first-run episode of the series so far, viewed by 3.36 million viewers.

Plot
At the direction of Starfleet, Enterprise makes a detour to a planet passing between two gas giants in order to observe the gravitational forces and subsequent volcanic activity. Their new course takes the ship close to that of E.C.S. Horizon, the cargo vessel on which Ensign Mayweather grew up. He requests permission for a further detour to rejoin his family on Horizon, as his father is ill and he hasn't been able to visit him in four years. Captain Archer readily agrees, but bad news arrives when Mayweather learns that his father died some six weeks earlier.

As planned, Mayweather boards Horizon and receives a warm welcome from most of the crew, including his mother Rianna. He finds that his brother, Paul, has been named acting captain, but he doesn't seem to be coping well with his new responsibilities. Mayweather offers to make a few repairs and upgrades to systems on the ship, but Paul tells him to stop, making him feel uneasy and out of place. Soon afterward the ship comes under attack, and a homing device is placed on the hull. Mayweather then recommends a boost in the ship's fighting capability, but Paul insists that the safest course is to flee to the nearest port and yield the cargo as needed.

Back on Enterprise, Commander Tucker arranges a movie night for the crew featuring the Frankenstein film trilogy, and invites Sub-Commander T'Pol. She eventually consents, and finally finds in the film an insightful view into historical human-Vulcan relations. Meanwhile, Mayweather makes his intended modifications without permission, resulting in a confrontation when Paul finds out. The ship comes under further attack from an alien vessel, and Paul offers up the cargo as planned. The aliens refuse and demand the vessel as well. Left without any other option, Paul tells Mayweather to reinitiate the modifications and to detach the command module from the cargo section. They soon disable the alien ship. The brothers reconcile and Mayweather leaves, promising to visit again soon.

Production
In an interview conducted towards the end of the first season of Enterprise, Anthony Montgomery suggested that it would be good to see Travis Mayweather's parents make an appearance in the show. Montgomery was pleased when this came true in "Horizon", saying, "It was really a touching episode for me, you get a feel of how hard it was for Travis to leave the family and join Starfleet."

Production began on January 28, 2003 and lasted for seven days. The first three days of filming took place on the Enterprise standing sets. The second day in particular took place mostly on the set for the gravity neutral "sweet spot" first seen in the Enterprise pilot, "Broken Bow". The main cast, with the exception of Montgomery, were only required for the first three days. Montgomery filmed his scenes over the course of all seven days along with the guest cast. Several sets were created on a soundstage to appear as the Horizon. These included the bridge of the cargo ship, a cargo hold, Mayweather's old quarters, a mess hall, and a variety of corridors. The Horizon itself was rendered using computer-generated imagery and was to appear as a similar type of cargo vessel to that seen in season one's "Fortunate Son".

Nicole Forester, who previously played a Dabo girl on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, appeared in "Horizon" as Nora. Corey Mendell Parker and Joan Pringle both made their Star Trek debuts in this episode. The episode was written by André Bormanis, who had previously written episodes of Star Trek: Voyager and was the story editor for Enterprise during the first and second seasons.

Reception
"Horizon" originally aired on UPN on April 16, 2003. In overnight figures from Nielsen the episode was thought to have received a 3.5/5% share among adults, beating The WB's Dawson's Creek in its timeslot. With those figures, while it would have continued a decrease in recent weeks, it would have still been more than the all-time low of "Vanishing Point", which recorded a share of 3.4%. The final adjusted ratings showed that "Horizon" received 3.36 million viewers, fewer than "Vanishing Point", setting the lowest rating record for a first-run episode of Enterprise at the time. Also Dawson's Creek actually beat Enterprise, with higher ratings although a lower number of viewers overall.

Michelle Erica Green, writing on the website TrekNation, enjoyed the performance of Anthony Montgomery after wondering why he hadn't been featured much so far in Enterprise. She said that the sub-plot was "witty" but didn't feel that the Mayweather family were well characterized. She found the episode frustrating because it seemed "to have all the elements in place to be a good episode". Jamahl Epsicokhan at his website Jammer's Reviews was neutral about the episode, saying that it was "not bad, but not particularly good or conclusive, either. Just simply 'there.'". He gave the episode a score of two and a half out of four. In scores given by readers of the website TrekWeb for the second season of Enterprise, "Horizon" was ranked 21st out of 26 episodes by average score. Based on the number of ten out of ten votes, it was placed last overall. James Gray of The Digital Fix criticized the episode as "just a variation on Season One's Favourite Son" [sic]. Baz Greendland also of The Digital Fix wrote: "'Horizon' is a largely dull, generic story with the dull, generic Mayweather" and said it "doesn’t do anything interesting with the boomer concept introduced in season one." Jordan Hoffman writing for Playboy.com ranked this episode 498 out of 695 Star Trek episodes, and wrote: "Decent world building as we visit Mayweather's family aboard their merchant vessel, but could use more oomph." In his 2022 rewatch, Keith DeCandido of Tor.com gave it 6 out of 10.

Home media release
The episode was released on DVD as part of the season two box set on November 1, 2005 in the United States. A release on Blu-ray Disc for season two occurred on August 20, 2013.

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Connemara pony

The Connemara pony (Irish: Capaillín Chonamara) is a pony breed originating in Ireland. They are known for their athleticism, versatility and good disposition.

History
The Connemara region in County Galway in western Ireland, where the breed first became recognised as a distinct type, is a very harsh landscape, thus giving rise to a pony breed of hardy, strong individuals. It is often thought that the Connemara developed from Norse predecessors of Icelandic ponies that the Vikings first brought to Ireland. Another source was likely the Irish Hobby, a now-extinct breed established prior to the 13th century. Trade between Ireland and Spain was evident as early as the 12th century, and due to similarities between the Irish Hobby and the Spanish Jennet, there is weight to the belief that Spanish ponies imported to Ireland during that time influenced the local ponies. There is also evidence of Barb and Andalusian stallions also being imported from Spain in the 16th century, however the more well-known myth is that galleons from the Spanish Armada ran aground in 1588, and the Andalusians on board were set loose. The Spanish horses bred with the native stock, refining the local ponies.

Due to the Great Famine in the 19th century, life in Connemara was a struggle for those that survived and many were forced to sell their ponies, greatly reducing the number and quality of the ponies in the region. The Congested Districts Board was established in 1891 in order to improve the conditions in the western seaboard, and included responsibilities to improve breeds of local livestock. Different stallions of various breeds, including Barbs, Arabs, Thoroughbreds, Hackneys and Welsh Cobs, were introduced to Connemara in order to try and improve the local ponies by crossbreeding. However, many of the results of these crosses were highly unsuitable for the harsh environment of Connemara and began to dilute the native bloodlines too much, so the Connemara Pony Breeders' Society stud book was established in 1923 to ensure the "preservation and improvement of the Connemara Pony" as the native breed of Ireland. Today, Connemaras are bred worldwide in Ireland and Britain, as well as on the European continent, North America, Australasia, and South Africa.

The Connemara Breeders' Society runs an annual pony show and has been doing so since its founding. The annual show allows the assembly of the largest collection of Connemara Ponies worldwide and is used to buy and sell ponies from Ireland and abroad.

Characteristics
The original breed standard is set by the Connemara Pony Breeders' Society of Ireland, and also used by the British Connemara Pony Society. The adults are usually 128 to 148 cm in height, with a strong back, loins, and hindquarters, deep and broad through the ribs, and with a riding-type well laid-back shoulder and well-placed neck without undue crest, giving a good length of rein. The head should be of pony type, broad between the eyes, which should be large and appear kind, and with a deep but refined jaw and clearly defined cheekbone. The ears should be of pony type (relatively short). The legs should be relatively short from the knees and hocks to the ground, with a strong, muscular upper leg, strong and well-defined knees and hocks, and well-shaped hard feet, which are of a medium size. The action should be free, active, and easy. Permitted colours are grey, black, brown, bay, dun, roan, chestnut, palomino, and cream. Pinto colouring (piebald and skewbald) is not accepted.

The Connemara Pony should be intelligent with a good temperament, suitable for adults and children; it should be hardy with good endurance; it should be sure-footed, sound, and able to jump. If a Connemara pony is to be passed as grade 1 on inspection by the Connemara Pony Breeder's Society, it must meet the breed standard; if it does not meet this specification, then it will be given a grade 2 or 3 on inspection. Connemaras in North America range from.

Some Connemara Ponies carry the autosomal recessive disorder hoof wall separation disease and all foals born are tested as part of the registration process.

Uses
The Connemara is best known today as a sports pony. Ridden by both children and adults, it is considered to be a very versatile pony breed, competitive in show jumping, dressage and eventing, but also with the stamina for endurance riding. They are also shown in harness. Connemara Pony shows are held worldwide, with particular popularity in Ireland and the United Kingdom.

Connemara Pony Sales are Ireland's largest and leading sale of Connemara ponies, with four sales held annually in February, May, August and October in Clifden. They can be viewed via video-stream online, allowing easier access for potential buyers to view a selection of ponies. In 2021 the highest price for a pony sold at the sales was topped at €14,000 for a 3 year old.

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Province House (Nova Scotia)

Province House (Taigh na Roinne) in Halifax is where the Nova Scotia legislative assembly, known officially as the Nova Scotia House of Assembly, has met every year since 1819, making it the longest serving legislative building in Canada. The building is Canada's oldest house of government. Standing three storeys tall, the structure is considered one of the finest examples of Palladian architecture in North America.

History

Province House was built on the same location as the previous Governor's House, erected by Edward Cornwallis in 1749. (Cornwallis' table remains in the bedroom of Province House.) Province House was opened for the first time on February 11, 1819. One of the smallest functioning legislatures in North America, Province House originally housed the executive, legislative and judicial functions of the colony, all in one building.

The Supreme Court of Nova Scotia held its sessions in Province House (in what is today the legislative library). Most notably, Joseph Howe, a journalist and later Premier of Nova Scotia, was put on trial on a charge of criminal libel on March 2, 1835, at Province House. Howe had published an anonymous letter accusing Halifax politicians and police of pocketing £30,000 over a thirty-year period, and outraged civic politicians had subsequently seen to it that Howe was charged with seditious libel. The presiding judge called for Howe's conviction, but Howe's passionate speech in his own defence swayed the jury and the jurors acquitted him in what is considered a landmark case in the struggle for a free press in Canada.

On January 20, 1842, English author Charles Dickens attended the opening of the Nova Scotia Legislature. He said that it was like looking at Westminster through the wrong end of a telescope.

During 1848, Province House was the site for the first form of responsible government in the British Empire outside the United Kingdom. The building is located in downtown Halifax on a block bordered by Hollis, Granville, George and Prince streets.

Led by the efforts of Joseph Howe, the Anti-Confederation Party won a resounding majority in the first election held after Nova Scotia joined the Confederation of Canada on July 1, 1867.

Province House was designated a National Historic Site of Canada in 1996, in recognition of its status as the longest serving legislative building in Canada, and the role it played in the development of responsible government and freedom of the press in the country. It is also a Provincially Registered Property under provincial heritage legislation.

Legislative Assembly
Province House is the home of the House of Assembly, Nova Scotia's elected legislative assembly. In 1908 and 2008, there were significant official celebrations in Nova Scotia and Canada to mark the 150th and 250th anniversary of the birth of parliamentary democracy (i.e., representative government) in Canada, which started in Nova Scotia. The first event was marked by the creation of the Dingle Tower and the second by a year-long celebration the birth of parliamentary democracy in Canada. The celebration was entitled Democracy 250.

On October 2, 1758, the Nova Scotia House of Assembly met for the first time in a modest wooden building at the corner of Argyle and Buckingham streets in Halifax. It was an assembly of twenty-two men, who came together to deliberate as a parliament on questions affecting the colony. With voting limited to Protestant, free-land holding males, it was a modest beginning, and their influence with the British-appointed Governor was questionable. It was the first elected assembly of its kind in what eventually became Canada.

On January 31, 1837, Simon d'Entremont and Frederick A. Robicheau became the first Acadians elected to the House of Assembly (Joseph Winniett, whose mother was Acadian, was elected to the Assembly in 1761). (Two months later, on March 24, 1837, black men in Canada were given the right to vote. ) in 1893, Edith Archibald and others made the first official attempt to have a suffrage bill for women property holders passed in Nova Scotia, which was passed by the legislature but quashed by Attorney General James Wilberforce Longley (who opposed unions and female emancipation for the twenty years he was in office).

On April 26, 1918, as a result of the Local Council of Women of Halifax (LCWH), the House of Assembly passed The Nova Scotia Franchise Act, which gave women the right to vote in Nova Scotia's provincial elections, the first province to do so in Atlantic Canada. (A month later Nova Scotian and Prime Minister of Canada Robert Borden – whose wife Laura Bond was former president of the LCWH – used his majority to pass women's suffrage for the whole country.) Almost forty-three years later, on February 1, 1961, Gladys Porter was the first woman elected to the Assembly. In 1993, Wayne Adams is elected the first Black member of the Assembly. The Nova Scotia legislature was the third in Canada to pass human rights legislation (1963).

The Library (former Supreme Court)
The Legislative Library, located on the second floor between the Red Chamber and Legislative Assembly, was originally the home of the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia, until the court outgrew the space. The first important trial in the court was against Richard John Uniacke Jr. for killing William Bowie in the last lethal duel in Nova Scotia (1819).

The Supreme Court chamber was the site of Joseph Howe's 1835 trial for seditious libel. On March 2, 1835, newspaper editor Joseph Howe defended himself at trial in the present-day library for seditious libel by civic politicians in Nova Scotia. Many scholars consider Howe's success in this case a landmark event in the evolution of press freedom in Canada.

The Red Chamber
The Red Chamber was formerly the meeting place of the Nova Scotia Council and later the Legislative Council, the upper house of Nova Scotia's legislature. The Legislative Council was appointed by the governor and was abolished in 1928. Now the room is used for receptions and other meetings.

Court Yard
Province House is flanked with two prominent statues. To the north of Province House is the South African War Memorial by Hamilton MacCarthy to the Second Boer War. (MacCarthy also made the South African War Monument in the Halifax Public Gardens and the statue to Harold Lothrop Borden.) On one of the panels is a sculpture of the Battle of Witpoort, made famous by the death of Nova Scotian Harold Lothrop Borden. To the south of Province House is a statue to the Honourable Joseph Howe, created by famed Quebec sculptor Louis-Philippe Hébert.

On the north side of Province House is a cannon from HMS Shannon (1806), and on the south side is a cannon of USS Chesapeake (1799) which was captured in the War of 1812,.

Canadian Prime Ministers from Nova Scotia
There are also portraits of former prime ministers John Sparrow David Thompson by Thomas Forrestall and Sir Robert Borden by Walter H. Cox.

Other readings

 * Thomas Atkins. Papers related to the first establishment of a Representative Assembly in Nova Scotia (1755-1761), Vol. 5

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Ni-be-ni-me-ni-cucurigu

Ni-be-ni-me-ni-cucurigu is an 1878 play by Abraham Goldfaden. The somewhat nonsensical Yiddish title is variously translated as Not Me, Not You, Not Cock-a-Doodle-Doo or Neither This, Nor That, nor Kukerikoo; Lulla Rosenfeld says it had an alternate title The Struggle of Culture with Fanaticism. The title comes from a Russian expression "ни бе, ни ме, ни кукареку", meaning to understand nothing on the subject.

The play itself is lost. The plot centered on a cobbler who becomes a rabbi. Jacob Adler wrote of it that "this thin idea had been dressed out with so much stolen music that it was shameful to hear", but Lulla Rosenfeld, writing from a distance of over a century, argues that its combination of a "serious theme with an amusing nonsense plot" was emblematic of early Yiddish theater. "This emphasis on education, progress, enlightenment," she writes, "is found nowhere else in the popular comedy and melodrama of the nineteenth century. It is special to the Yiddish theater, which was, even from the beginning, a theater of ideas."

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Referee (boxing)

The referee in boxing is the individual charged with enforcing the rules of that sport during a match.

The role of the referee
The referee has the following roles:
 * Gives instructions to both boxers before the fight
 * Determines when to start or stop a count when a fighter is down
 * Determines when a foul is so egregious that a warning should be given or points taken away
 * Signals when the round is over
 * Determines when one fighter's health will be endangered by more blows, and thus, stops the fight.

In the past, referees were involved in judging the fight. However, that role has been progressively replaced by a panel of judges, except for domestic fights in some countries.

Attire
Normally, a white or blue Oxford shirt is worn either long-sleeved or short-sleeved, as well as black slacks, black leather shoes and a black bow tie. Latex gloves are sometimes worn for sanitary reasons. For professional matches a patch is usually worn on the left breast bearing the insignia of the organization sanctioning the fight. The referee may also wear a patch on his left sleeve bearing the flag of his home country. This is especially common in matches between fighters from two countries.

Criticisms
The main critique involves the subjective nature of boxing refereeing; there are guidelines for referees, but enforcement of the rules still involves judgement.

Notable referees

 * Stanley Christodoulou
 * Joe Cortez
 * Kenny Bayless
 * Daniel Van de Wiele
 * Ruby Goldstein
 * Mills Lane
 * Arthur Mercante
 * Jay Nady
 * Randy Neumann
 * Richard Steele
 * Mickey Vann
 * Pete Podgorski
 * Joey Curtis
 * Octavio Meyran
 * Eddie Cotton
 * Charles Eyton
 * Frank Cappuccino
 * Steve Smoger
 * Jon D. Schorle II
 * Tony Perez

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Serono

Serono was a biotechnology company headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland. It was acquired by the German pharmaceutical company Merck in 2006. The company was founded as the Serono Pharmacological Institute by Cesare Serono in 1906 in Rome, Italy. A key step in its development was the discovery of a method of extracting urinary gonadotropins by Dr. Piero Donini. Serono was incorporated in 1987 and the holding company, Ares-Serono S.A., changed its name to Serono S.A. in May 2000.

Serono develops and markets pharmaceuticals in the fields of reproductive health, multiple sclerosis, growth & metabolism and dermatology.

The eight biotechnology products are available in four core therapeutic areas: neurology for the treatment of relapsing forms of multiple sclerosis, reproductive health for treatments of infertility, dermatology, where Serono has launched biologics in Europe for moderate-to-severe psoriasis, and growth and metabolism for treatments for HIV-associated wasting and growth deficiencies.

The company also conducts research in oncology and autoimmune diseases. Through the acquisition in 1997 of GBRI from GlaxoWelcome, becoming its Geneva based research institute named SPRI, and the Manteia Predictive Medicine spin-off, Serono also nursed the emergence of now a commercial leading massive parallel sequencing technology.

Sale to Merck KGaA
36% of Serono was sold to Merck KGaA in Sept. 2006 for €10.6 billion; Merck KGaA paid CHF 1,100 for each share. The new entity, which merges Serono with Merck's Ethicals division, is called Merck Serono. Its headquarters was in Geneva, within the new Serono facilities. The US operations remain near Boston and was renamed here EMD Serono due to trademark issues with Merck & Co./MSD. The process of merging started in January 2007 after various business regulatory reviews and phases were complete. Until that time, Serono and Merck KGaA operated as separate entities. The new, combined entity, Merck Serono is the size of other large biotechs. In 2011, a decision was made to close the Geneva headquarters and move the headquarters to Darmstadt, Germany resulting in job losses to most of the employees in Geneva.

Facilities
Serono operated in 44 countries, with manufacturing facilities in eight countries and sales in over 90 countries. Main manufacturing sites were in Switzerland, Italy, Spain and France; a fifth facility in Israel was closed in 2004 owing to its obsolescence. Research and development facilities were maintained in Geneva, Switzerland, Boston, USA, and Ivrea, Italy. It employed over 4,750 people with worldwide revenues of USD 2,586.4 million (2005). It had eight biotechnology products on the market, and more than 25 ongoing preclinical and clinical development projects at the end of 2005. Serono Headquarters and the Geneva research site moved to a brand new campus (Horizon Secheron) in the heart of Geneva in 2006. This facility and the headquarters were closed by Merck KGaA in 2013. The building was sold back to Berterelli family.

Lawsuit
In 2005, Serono agreed to a $704 million settlement with the Department of Justice to resolve civil and criminal allegations that the company engaged in a fraudulent scheme to promote the drug Serostim for off-label uses and paid out illegal kickbacks for prescribing the drug in violation of the False Claims Act. The settlement is, to date, the ninth largest pharmaceutical settlement in U.S. history.

Fertility LifeLines
Serono provides Fertility LifeLines as a free and confidential source of information to infertility patients.

Notes and references

 * 1)  2002 Form 20-F. Retrieved July 3, 2005.
 * 2)  2004 Form 20-F. Retrieved July 3, 2005.

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Volksschule

The German term Volksschule generally refers to compulsory education, denoting an educational institution every person (i.e. the people, Volk) is required to attend.

In Germany and Switzerland it is equivalent to a combined primary (Grundschule and Primarschule, respectively) and lower secondary education (Hauptschule or Sekundarschule), usually comprising mandatory attendance of nine years. In Austria, Volksschule only refers to primary school lasting four years. In Denmark and Norway, they were referred to as folkeskole and in Sweden as folkskola; the Finnish term kansakoulu is a direct translation. These Nordic schools covered the first years of primary education, from the ages of 7 to 11 or 12.

History
In medieval times, church schools were established in the Holy Roman Empire to educate the future members of the clergy, as stipulated by the 1215 Fourth Council of the Lateran, later adopted by the sunday schools of the Protestant Reformation. First secular schools followed during the pietism movement from the late 17th century onwards and were further promoted by the advocates of the Enlightenment. In 1717 King Frederick William I of Prussia decreed the compulsory education of children from the age of five to twelve. They had to be able to read and write and were obliged to memorise the Protestant catechism. In 1763 King Frederick the Great enacted a first Prussian general school law, elaborated by the theologian Johann Julius Hecker.

Similar Volksschulen were established in the Electorate of Saxony and in the German-speaking parts of the Habsburg monarchy, backed by Johann Ignaz von Felbiger, through a system of state-supported primary one-room schools. Attendance was supposedly compulsory, but a 1781 census reveals that only one fourth of school-age children attended. At the time, this was one of the few examples of state-supported schooling. Sending one's children to school was binding by law only from 1840 in the Austrian Empire.

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