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Talk:Fiber to the premises

FTTP-HTTP
Many people might think that FTTP is another kind of protocol. Isn't the name confusing in that respect? Camilo Sanchez (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

New article suggestion for Fiber To The Home
Fiber To The Home is the main article because when we are talking about fiver optics we usually mean broadband high speed internet to the home or small (home) business. Large businesses have their own telecommunications networks. Usually, other than small start up businesses, there would typically be security, networking and internet networks installed. In this case it would be an issue of fiber optic telecommunication because there would be other systems installed and it's obvious that it would go into a building, premises or vessel of some kind. The "last mile" issue topically refers to residential access. Residential areas have the lowest density and thus the highest cost, which is why they are the last to be converted to fiber. Business and commercial areas have higher density and usually already have fiber. Unless it's a low tech or a small business, there are already all kinds of wires going into it. Fiber to x mainly refers to fiber to the home or residential broadband internet as it is the main hurdle and the biggest issue today.

Fiber to x is a telecommunications issue and split up into different types of configurations of fiber optics. Fiber to the home is a completely different term and not a type of configurations. Fiber to the home typically refers to the mainstream implementation of fiber optics or the main hurdle to be overcome in the progress of the internet aka the last mile. It is not so much of a configuration as a social, or marketing term referring to the mainstream implementation of fiber optics.

Fiber to the Home
Shouldn't FTTP article be renamed to Fiber to the Premises? See Naming_conventions Tygar 06:37, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) Noticed that there is a Fiber to the Home article (instead of FTTH)... renamed as per acronyms/vs spelled out names link above. Tygar 06:43, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * Is this article a duplicate of Fiber to the Home ? bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 09:35, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Fiber to the Home now redirects here. There were originally two, completely redundant, articles. Mirror Vax 11:08, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * FTTH is not the same thing as FTTP. FTTH is a subset of FTTP. But I certainly agree with redirecting the fiber to the home article to this one because there is not currently enough FTTH information in this article to merit breaking it off into its own article. Riick 23:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Fiber to the building
Isn't FTTB synonymous with FTTP? If so, I propose putting it back in the introduction. Riick 21:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have discovered that FTTB is actually a subset of FTTP. I have put mention of FTTB back into the introduction but I have clarified its meaning. Riick 23:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Usually FTTB is used for when there is fibre to the basement of the building (or another convenient place) and then there is a copper loop (or the existing one) up to the home of the user. It is usually used for multi-dwelling units. FTTP I understand is a synonymous to FTTH, by which the fiber goes up to the final user house, without any equipment in between. Cgbraschi 14:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

FTTP
FTTH ??? ==

Seems like verizon's FIOS is directly to the home, but SBC's is only to the node.

Do the terms FTTP and FTTH differntiate between the two in those scenarios, or are they truly interchangeable? - Brewthatistrue 5 July 2005 23:19 (UTC)

 * FTTH and FTTP are used interchangably. They mean that the fiber goes at least to the building of the subscriber. Inside the building may be copper. Mirror Vax 12:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, SBC/ATT's is to the curb, NOT to the home. --speedoflight | talk to me 23:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No, fiber to the curb is something else again. SBC is talking about distances of 5000ft - much longer than "curb". Mirror Vax 23:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * AT&T is FTTN. What you will find is that FTTP is a broad term used to combine FTTH and FTTB.  FTTP is only when a physical fiber is run to the building.  FTTN and FTTC use copper or coax runs to the building Krocheck 08:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The reason that FTTH/FTTP are classified as "Extreme Broadband" or "3G Broadband" is because they are the only technologies that deliver fiber all the way to the outer wall of the consumer's home or to the outer wall of a business's building. Fiber to the Node/Neighborhood and Fiber to the Curb fall short of this achievement, hence, they are not considered to be "Extreme Broadband" or "3G Broadband".  Since Internet 2 requires end-to-end, fiber-to-fiber connections of all users, in the future only those homes or offices wired to the wall with fiber (FTTP) could be easily converted to extend the fiber all the way to the end computing equipment, in order to be Internet 2 compliant.

 * I can't find any outside references that use those terms for FTTP. "Extreme Broadband" is used as a marketing term for an Australian ADSL service. "3G Broadband" references a wireless data network. Neither are used for fiber networks. Bifferoo 19:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Both Siemens and Deutsche Telecom refer to the term "Extreme Broadband" in their communications to describe the upgrade from copper to fiber to the home many, many times. Here is one example where it is used to talk about the upcoming Broadband World Forum in Paris, in the last paragraph to showcase this service:  http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=104681.

 * FTTH and FTTP are actually not the same thing. FTTH is a subset of FTTP; thus the terms are not completely interchangeable. One report which makes this distinction pretty clear is http://www.pwc.com/techforecast/pdfs/fttp_webx.pdf.  Other sources of clarification on what FTTH is (and what it is not) include: http://www.europeftthcouncil.com/extra/Press_Release/Definition_of_FTTH_FINAL_25_September_2006.pdf, http://www.iec.org/online/tutorials/fiber_home/topic05.html, and http://www.linleygroup.com/columns/nikkei0206.html Riick 23:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Having looked into this a little further, it seems that the real problem here is that FTTP has conflicting definitions throughout the industry. To some sources it only means FTTH.  To others it only means FTTB.  To some it is an umbrella term that encompasses both FTTH and FTTB.  Still others claim it is a third entity that describes neither FTTB nor FTTH.  (In contrast, the definitions of FTTB and FTTH are both a little more consistent.  The only confusion that might arise there is whether FTTH can truely apply to an office building, even one equipped entirely with fiber on its interior.)  I have added a section (with sources cited) to deal with the ambiguities in FTTP's usage. Riick 04:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The terms seem interchangable enough to me, but it would seem to depend on who your target customer is. You don't want to call your network FTTH if you plan on offering service to small businesses. Being that Verizon services both homes and businesses, FTTP is most accurate. Toddyboy711 02:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Split into three articles?
The above heading was inserted as a place-marker by Riick 08:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

If the meaning of FTTP (I don't usually use that term, and I thought it was synonymous with FTTH) is both FTTB and FTTH, then FTTP should have a separate article. FTTH and FTTB have quite different architectures (FTTB has always active equipment, and has two different stretches with fiber and copper) and most of the article refers to FTTH proper. All three separate architectures discussed: home run fiber, AON and PON apply only to FTTH. Most of the deployments mentioned apply only to FTTH. Cgbraschi 14:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there may be more overlap in FTTH and FTTB architectures than Cgbraschi indicates, so at this point I support keeping them in the same article. At issue is whether or not all three architectures (active, PON, and home run fiber) are possible for FTTB.  Certainly active is possible, as Cgbraschi indicates. (A seperate issue is whether it would still be called AON in the FTTB context; at this point I haven't seen any evidence indicating it could not.) As for PON, I understand that it simply means any fiber optic network that is passively split, regardless of whether it is being used for FTTH, FTTB, or some other application like a computer network within an office building.  I have seen it used in the context of FTTH, FTTB, and even FTTC- see Unifying the access network with fiber and Experience of deployment of broadband optical access system and its future vista (especially figure 6).  In my town, my understanding is that Verizon is using its PON architecture to support both FTTH and FTTB (the FTTB acheives higher bandwidth by being split into fewer branches).  As for home run fiber, it certainly seems likely that some companies implement their FTTB as a dedicated fiber direct from each building to the central office.  (However, would it still be called "home run fiber" in this case?  There must be some term for any dedicated direct-to-the-CO fiber.  But again, what to call it is a seperate issue than whether it should be included.)
 * I argue that all three implementations are applicable to both FTTH and FTTB, so splitting is not necessary. Instead, maybe we could indicate in the text that active is the preferred method for FTTB (if this true), and maybe we could find a better term than "home-run-fiber." Riick 17:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There is some confusion about all the terminology. Current use has converged into calling FTTN, FTTB and FTTH (and their synonyms) into models or architectures of deployment (the article is irregular in its use of what is what). The difference being what the amount of fibre in the deployment (as the figure 6 you cited illustrates). Then, PON, AON and point to point are real technologies used to implement various parts of the model (as specific protocols like EPON or GPON are implemented). In the figure 6, only one technology is used (as the figure comes from the specifier of that technology), but other things are possible.
 * The differentiating part between FTTH and FTTB is that FTTH only needs one technology (AON, PON or point to point), but FTTB necessarily needs two different technologies (one for the fibre part and one for the copper part). Going forward with that, perhaps it would be better to refer to the PON and AON pages from FTTP, there is some not-so-good page on PON that could receive more substance from FTTP article
 * Verizon is using PON for FTTB, but then they use VDSL2 to run up the building to the end user. For example in Japan I think NTT is using point to point to the building and then VDSL2 to the home.
 * And regarding home-run fibre, a better term would be point-to-point fibre. --Cgbraschi 09:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

 * These look like useful observations and I will investigate and perhaps incorporate them into the article over the coming days or weeks (unless someone else does it first, of course). As for your original suggestion of splitting this article, I should be clearer (for the record) about my reasons for wanting this article be kept in one piece.  You originally suggested that FTTH and FTTB are different enough that it would be useful to split them into their own articles.   However, I believe that advantages of keeping the article in one piece outweigh the advantages of splitting for the following reasons:
 * Keeping FTTP, FTTH, and FTTB in one article ensures the accuracy of the strangely popular "Deployment history" section. What I forsee with the split is that three seperate "Deployment history" sections will evolve.  Someone who calls their FTTH service FTTP will record its arrival under FTTP.  Someone who calls their FTTH service FTTH will record it under FTTH.  Someone who just got FTTB service might put it under FTTP, FTTB, or even (incorrectly) FTTH, depending on what their provider calls it. Even if we try to confine deployment history to just one article, I suspect that eventually it will end up scattered piecemeal in all three.  But they should all be together.  Why?  Companies usually use the same infrastructure for FTTB and FTTH, which together make FTTP, so a deployment of one is actually a deployment of all three.
 * Keeping all three together simplifies explaining the all-too-often misunderstood relationship between FTTP, FTTB, and FTTH. It makes it easier to maintain the characterization of this relationship since it only has to be edited in one place.  It eliminates the potential for conflicting charicterizations of this relationship to evolve between articles, which would be particularly bad for the user given the existing confusion throughout the industry.  It increases chances that users will actually learn what the relationship is (and that there is confusion), since they will see it no matter which of the three they came here to learn about or add to.
 * FTTH and FTTB have more similarities than differences. They can both provide broadband.  They are both affected by confusion over the meaning the fttp.  They usually share deployment histories.  They usually share  the same infrastructure between the CO and the ONT. They are usually provided by the same company.  They both bring fiber right onto private property.  When there is so much overlap, keeping articles together allows the user to conveniently get all the information s/he needs from one place.  In contrast, splitting would either create a whole lot of repeated information or it would create two stubs that point to a third article.
 * "Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe." - WP:MERGE

 * I believe that your concerns can be adequately adressed, but I think this should be accomplished without splitting. Riick 08:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Speed capabilities of FTTP?
I do believe we need to state the speed capabilities of FTTP in connecting to the internet. People are comparing internet connections by their download/upload speed nowadays, so putting it might be a leap to featured article status...--202.156.6.54 17:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Speeds vary. UTOPIA boasts speeds of 100Mbit or 1Gbit depending the type of connection you get.  On the other-hand, companies like Verizon boast speeds in the realm of 30Mbit.  It all depends on the service provider and what they wish to provide. Krocheck 08:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Deployment History
''This section of talk was formerly titled "Availability". Riick 19:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not think that the availability section is appropriate in its current form. It has specific information, like a consumer's guide, rather than general information, which is appropriate for an encyclopedia. Besides being unencyclopedic, it is very difficult to keep such content current. For example, the article says that FTTP is available in Ascension Parish, LA and is offered by EATEL and its services include "telephone, broadband Internet, and television (Video on Demand and regular broadcasts)." An encyclopedia article should say something like, "FTTP has limited availability in the United States. Some companies such as Verizon, AT&T, Broadweave Networks and EATEL offer it in a few pilot locations. In addition, some municipal utilities and planned communities are developing FTTP networks." I suggest replacing this section with something similar. -- Kjkolb 10:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The availability section is still filled with specifics, but I removed the external links. The external links within the text itself were replaced with internal links when possible. It had turned into a spam magnet with new links being added constantly, regardless of project size, company size and importance. The section still needs work. -- Kjkolb 11:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I propose changing the title of the Availability by Country section to Deployments or Deployments by Country. Such a wording change would be aimed at giving the section more of a history and current events feel appropriate for an encyclopedia, as opposed to the consumer's guide feel mentioned above by Kjkolb.  I want to get at least a little consensus on this before I act because it seems that many people have put a lot of time into the section and maybe they have some preference for the Availability wording.  (Note that Deployments is the wording used to label a very similar section in the cable television article. Riick 04:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard anything in more than a week, so I've gone ahead with the name change. The section is now called "Deployment History".  I have also changed the name of the related talk section.  Hopefully this will encourage editors to make entries in a more encyclopedic style, such as "In March 2007, FiberPush introduced FTTH..." rather than "FiberPush is now introducing FTTH...".  (The latter might look pretty silly to someone viewing this article in 2017, after FiberPush had been bought out by OmniGlutton and FTTH had been replaced by some newer technology!) Riick 19:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This entire section isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia entry. It a list of companies and their products that use FTTP technology.  It is not information about the actual FTTP technology.  The information on the various products seems to be updated by the companies employees and users, and much of it is out of date.  It is basically an area for companies to advertise their products. It should be moved to a separate page, or possibly moved out of Wikipedia all together. Bifferoo 17:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that this section is mostly just thinly-veiled product promotion. However, I would point out that (1) moving it to another page is not going to make the content any more encyclopedic, and (2) the section does contain some valid historic deployment info hidden amongst all the advertising.  I consider this section a "problem section", but there don't really seem to be any great solutions.  (By the way, a past proposal to move this section can be found under the heading Time to break out a separate article for FTTP projects?)   -Riick 17:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

In general, I find the deployment section extremely useful. It's nice to have real examples of the faster FTTP deployments. Many service providers only upgrade their bandwidth, particularly upload speed when faced with a competitor in the local market. Having this article as a reference to faster services allows people to see what is possible and ask for more from their providers. It's also useful for those who negotiate with the companies, city councils, reporters, consumers etc. We need this information to get more than the 6 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up. Why shouldn't we be able to telecommute as fast as being in the office. Why wouldn't you want to broadcast or video conference part of a child's birthday party in high definition (8.5Mbps download / 8.5 Mbps upload) to grandparents in another country who are unable to travel? I looked up this article for the sole purpose of finding actual places where Internet speeds in excess of 6Mbps/1Mbps are available and enough information or links to find and verify pricing information. The section can be improved but keep the verifiable specifics. It's the kind of thing where there is so much ype and marketing that having a service address is actually useful so you can put it in the availabilty engine to verify that the service is actually available and what the pricing is for that level of service! 75.7.7.133 08:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Make appropriate edits
A few ideas for keeping the "Deployment history" section appropriate for Wikipedia:
 * 1) Avoid external links to company websites.  I believe these fall under Wikipedia's external links to avoid. Riick 22:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Use wording that will make sense in the future. According to Wikipedia's  guide to writing better articles, the ideal method of specifying on-going events is "as of 2007".  For example, the sentence "As of March 2007, FiberPush was introducing FTTH..." is good because it will still make sense in the future, even after FiberPush has finished introducing FTTH.  Better yet would be something like "FiberPush began introducing FTTH in December 2006..."  For comparison, it would be good to avoid wording like "Fiberpush is introducing FTTH" because it might not make sense when read in the future. Riick 22:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Aviable in Norway too
Aviable in Norway, via lyse.no & ntebb.no, nte provides Fiber to the premises for parts of nord trøndelag, and plan to provide so for entire nord trøndelag. got one hanging on the wall here :-)

Available in Sweden
Available in Sweden, through bredbandsbolaget, tele2, and several local isp:s since ~1999, with 100/10 now priced at ~30€. 212.247.37.98 11:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Asia
I read that Japan and Korea adopted FTTH as the industry standard (as opposed to DSL) a long time ago. --71.124.240.231 02:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Canada
Bell Canada is not doing FTTH with its Optimax service. It's FTTN (Fiber to the Neighborhood) and after that, it's ADSL2+

Australia
Neither Telstra nor Optus are offering FTTH/FTTP in Australia. Their cable networks are HFC/FTTN. It's fibre (note local/english spelling) to a node then both use coax from the node to the premises. Suggest full rewrite of section given the number of mistakes made.

User:192.76.80.74 edits
User:192.76.80.74 keeps adding this:

 * In the near future, FTTP, also referred to as Extreme Broadband, will deliver performance speeds exceeding 100 Mbps downstream. In contrast, Fiber to the Node/Neighborhood (FTTN) stops short of delivering and physically attaching a fiber optic cable directly to the home or business, therefore, is not classified as Extreme Broadband.

 * 1) "Extreme Broadband" is not a commonly used term. Maybe it is a marketing slogan, or used informally by some.
 * 2) In any case, the first statement is irrelevant and doesn't belong in the introduction.
 * 3) The second sentence is also irrelevent. There is an FTTN article for those interested (which of course is not wikilinked). It's in the See Also list, along with HFC. Mirror Vax 12:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think a short sentence differentiating two similiar and easily confused terms is irrelevant. The "Extreme Broadband" stuff, however, should go. Pimlottc 14:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

 * In a nutshell, this section does not meet several Wikipedia requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia; see
 * What Wikipedia is not, in particular these sections:
 * Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought
 * Wikipedia is not a crystal ball -- the only allowable predictions are quotations of comments made by notable sources. For instance, the sentence "The U.S. economy should grow 4% in 2007" is unacceptable since it comes across as Wikipedia's opinion on the matter. It is OK to include "Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said in September 2006, 'I predict U.S. economy will grow 4% in 2007'". It's unacceptable to include "My cousin Billy Bob said in September 2006, 'I predict U.S. economy will grow 4% in 2007'"; that's because Billy Bob is not a recognized, notable source on this sort of subject.
 * Wikipedia is not a soapbox in particular the part that reads "Therefore, Wikipedia articles are not: Propaganda or advocacy of any kind."
 * Citing sources -- this section cites no sources. Note that any such sources would have to meet Reliable sources; a Light Reading article would meet that standard, but comments made in their forums would not, nor would any vendor press releases they republish.
 * Verifiability -- "Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed."
 * No original research
 * This material fundamentally is unsuitable for these articles as presently written. If the author of those comments carefully reads all the material linked above, he/she may find acceptable ways to include some of these ideas by quoting others; these should be individuals or publications that meet the requirements of Notability. Any rewrite will also have to meet the requirements of Neutral point of view.
 * Finally, the editor of any rewrite needs to work out a consensus on the talk page with the other editors since this has developed into a controversy. Personally, I think it's useful to include the following in the article:
 * Quotes from notable, reliable sources predicting 100 Mbps speeds in the near-future.
 * A sentence noting the difference between FTTP and FTTN; it's a source of confusion among many
 * I'd ditch the "Extreme broadband" (flunks WP:NPOV) even if Deutsche Telecom likes to use it. The bold font needs to go. I'd also embed any such rewritten material in the article's main body, not in the intro.
 * All this sounds very complicated but it really shouldn't take much time (at the very most, 1 hour) to research and write if User:192.76.80.74 is interested. --A. B. 16:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Info on specific FTTP projects - a resource
At the risk of appearing to flog my now-defunct blog, I used to maintain a blog that listed, among other things, links to articles on specific FTTP projects around the world. The blog should not get a link here; see External links. I have put a link to it on one of my user subpages; I think that's probably acceptable within the limits of Vanity guidelines. The blog is out of date but may have some useful resources for editors looking for links to articles. --A. B. 16:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Time to break out a separate article for FTTP projects?
It's very worthwhile to list all these projects with some information on each, however as that list grows it will come to dominate this article. I suggest we considering forking this information to an article with a title such as "List of FTTP projects" and linking the two articles together. --A. B. 15:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Mirror Vax 15:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Unless we have a place to list the different projects they will end up back on this page, as we are starting to see already.  Bifferoo 20:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I think they are appropriate here, but I do propose renaming the section from Availability by Country to Deployments in order to encourage users to make more encyclopedic entries.  (Discuss this under the Availability section of this page). Riick 05:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Deployment History is becoming a something of a sprawling list
A large amount of the Deployment History section adds little relevance to the subject. Including specifics like who is providing service in which cites in a county is definitely going too far [With the Exception of which city was it deployed in the world first]. I think it should be much more generic, definitely shorter. Possibly "Deployment History of FTTP" could have it's own article if it is wanted to be discussed further. I think here it should be limited three to five paragraphs. Covering what speeds, standards or equipment are in place in what years globally and unique developments affecting deployment. This would also be more likely to be read in it's entirety. WikipedianYknOK 12:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * It's a by country list, in an article that otherwise is not about particular countries. Problem is, as with the former Broadband Internet access worldwide article, there are too many countries in the world.  Solution, as with that article, is to send each country's section to its particular Communications in my country article.  Jim.henderson 02:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Article update request
I had the following requests by email:
 * ''I would find it interesting for the Wiki piece to consider separately
 * 1) ''the FTTP bit-moving service and
 * 2) retail services that use the bit-moving service. In fact, if there were a good title for the latter, it would make sense to me to move them to a separate Wiki piece. (Sometimes the same provider delivers both kinds of services, but not always.)

I am no expert on this topic. Can someone sort this one out? -- Alan Liefting- talk - 05:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in what FTTP systems are using what technology. (I think active Ethernet is better than PON. I think BPON is already obsolete.)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Family/State paradigm

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. No consensus. -- AllyUnion (talk) 16:57, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Family/State paradigm
Original research. "Family/State paradigm" gets no Google hits outside Wikipedia and its clones - SimonP 06:39, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV original research/essay. Megan1967 08:33, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have heard of this concept before now, and the article has references. Also, the notes about Lakoff's research are accurate, as I heard him interviewed regarding this very subject last year on NPR or PRI. HyperZonktalk 18:09, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * We might not have the name right but I have also heard of this theory outside Wikipedia. Keep.  Rossami (talk) 06:41, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Original, POV, idiosyncratic synthesis of primary sources from many centuries, in support of the original (unreferenced, unsupported by scholarship) idea that they are somehow all saying the same thing.  No original research applies to novel and POV synthesis of primary sources, as well as unreferenced opinion.  The primary author of the page is extraordinarily defensive and will not allow others to edit it collaboratively, apparently misunderstanding Ownership of articles, so it's unlikely to improve. -- Rbellin|Talk 02:17, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Recycling Troll 09:43, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV original research. Merge anything salvageable to George Lakoff. RadicalSubversiv E 20:41, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * On further review, much of this is in fact legitimate material, although it strings together vaguely-related ideas under a novel term. Perhaps Paternalism would be a good merge target for some of it? RadicalSubversiv E 20:50, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, this is a vote to merge somewhere, then delete (no redirect). RadicalSubversiv E 18:28, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Many people have pointed out the family and used the organization of the family to uphold monarchy and classical republicansim.  It is "knowledge" that people would be interested in knowing and it is good for philosophy and political research. WHEELER 14:20, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that WHEELER has been the primary author of this article. Wile E. Heresiarch 15:25, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Essay, POV, original research. Wile E. Heresiarch 15:25, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. I heard of the concept back in college in a "overview of ancient philosophy" class.  I'm not sure this is the correct name for it, though. --Carnildo 20:34, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete As Rbellin says, this is the author's own idiosyncratic synthesis of primary-source material and as such it constitutes original research. SlimVirgin 22:47, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've heard of the concept before, so it's not original, but I can't remember now what it's usually called. Good odds that we have an article on the subject, just not linked well enough to find. Incidentally, the identity of the contributor should be irrelevant to VfD decision. Stan 16:20, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but do some serious cleaning up along the lines suggested by SlimVirgin's comment (and give it a change of title; the misuse of the technical term 'paradigm' makes it look more like a lit.crit./critical theory article). The relationship between the state and the family is a central one in political and social philosophy, and this theory genuinely exists and is discussed widely. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:28, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Walking in the Sun

"Walking in the Sun" is a song by Scottish indie rock band Travis. It was released on 18 October 2004 as the only single from their compilation album, Singles. The single peaked at number 20 in the UK Singles Chart. Like the Singles album cover, the single artwork shows photographs of the band.

Music video
The music video features Healy walking down Pitshanger Lane, Ealing with hidden booby traps and obstacles. He cheats death numerous times before meeting the Grim Reaper. The other members of the band are seen at the end of the lane, performing the song while waiting for Healy to arrive.

Track listings

 * UK CD1
 * 1) "Walking In The Sun" - 3:01
 * 2) "I Forget My Name" - 2:50
 * 3) "Life And Soul Of The Party" - 3:21
 * 4) "Walking In The Sun" (Video)

 * UK CD2
 * 1) "Walking In The Sun" - 3:01
 * 2) "Bring Me Round" - 3:37

 * 7" Vinyl
 * 1) "Walking In The Sun" - 3:01
 * 2) "Bring Me Round" - 3:37

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Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation

The Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation is the independent nonprofit technology transfer organization serving the University of Wisconsin–Madison and Morgridge Institute for Research. It provides significant research support, granting tens of millions of dollars to the university each year and contributing to the university's "margin of excellence".

History
WARF was founded in 1925 to manage a discovery by Harry Steenbock, who invented the process for using ultraviolet radiation to add vitamin D to milk and other foods. Rather than leaving the invention unpatented—then the standard practice for university inventions—Steenbock used $300 of his own money to file for a patent. He received commercial interest from Quaker Oats but declined the company's initial offer.

Instead, Steenbock sought a way to protect discoveries made by UW-Madison faculty, ensure use of the ideas for public benefit and bring any financial gains back to the university. His concept gained support from Harry L. Russell, dean of the College of Agriculture, and Charles Sumner Slichter, dean of the Graduate School.

Slichter began soliciting the interest and financial support of wealthy UW-Madison alumni acquaintances in Chicago and New York. He gained a substantial sum in verbal pledges from a number of alumni, nine of whom would eventually contribute $100 each.

The UW Board of Regents approved the plan on June 22, 1925, and the organization's charter was filed with the Secretary of State of Wisconsin on November 14 that same year. The organization was named the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation to reflect both its governing body of five UW–Madison alumni and its mission to promote, encourage and aid scientific investigation and research at UW-Madison.

Since its founding, WARF has helped steward the cycle of research, discovery, commercialization and investment for UW–Madison. Through its patenting and licensing efforts, WARF enables university innovations to advance from the lab to the marketplace.

Each year, WARF contributes more than $70 million to fund additional UW–Madison research. The university refers to WARF's annual gifts as its "margin of excellence" funding. WARF currently licenses nearly 100 UW–Madison technologies each year. As of 2014, WARF had an endowment of $2.6 billion.

WARF also works in partnership with a variety of other entities including WiSys Technology Foundation, WiCell Research Institute and the Morgridge Institute for Research.

WARF inventions
From the early discoveries related to vitamin D and development of the blood thinner WARFarin to the derivation of stem cells and algorithms that speed computer processing, UW–Madison inventions have changed lives.

Vitamin D
In 1923, Harry Steenbock and James Cockwell discovered exposure to ultraviolet light increased the Vitamin D concentration in food. After discovering that irradiated rat food cured the rats of rickets, Steenbock sought a patent. Steenbock then assigned the patent to the newly established Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation. WARF then licensed the technology to Quaker Oats for use in their breakfast cereals. In addition, WARF licensed the technology for use as a pharmaceutical, Viosterol. WARF's commercialization of Vitamin D culminated in its enrichment of milk.

By the time the patent expired in 1945, rickets was all but nonexistent.

Through continued innovations from Hector DeLuca, vitamin D remains an important part of WARF's technology portfolio.

Warfarin
Warfarin, also known as Coumadin, is named for WARF, and the story of its discovery is emblematic of the "Wisconsin Idea" and the relationship of the university to the Wisconsin public. In 1933 a farmer from Deer Park showed up unannounced at the School of Agriculture and walked into a professor's laboratory with a milk can full of blood which would not coagulate. In his truck, he had also brought a dead heifer and some spoiled clover hay. He wanted to know what had killed his cow. In 1941, Karl Paul Link successfully isolated the anticoagulant factor, which initially found commercial application as a rodent-killer. Warfarin is one of the most widely prescribed medicines in the world, used in vascular and heart disease to prevent stroke and thrombosis.

Stem cells
More recently, WARF was assigned the patents for non-human primate and human embryonic stem cells. The stem cells were first isolated and purified by James Thomson in 1998.

Startup companies
WARF has also helped establish more than 60 startup companies including Imago, Mirus Bio, Nimblegen, Tomotherapy, Deltanoid Pharmaceuticals, Quinntessence, Neoclone, Silatronix, Third Wave Technologies, Cambria Biosciences, and OpGen, Inc.

Patent litigation
WARF was called a "patent troll" by Business Insider, which included WARF in a list of the "most fearsome" of them. The magazine noted that while many universities could be described as "patent trolls", WARF was singled out because of the large number of patents it held, and because of its aggressive practice of suing companies, who allegedly use the patented technology, instead of trying to find someone to commercialize a new technology. A WARF spokesperson denied that the group acted as a non-practicing entity, explaining that "our whole purpose for being is to bring inventions from the university into the world into practical use." Nevertheless, some journalists noted that, instead of pursuing the goals of the Bayh–Dole Act to commercialize unused university patents, WARF often extorts patent licensing fees from businesses, who have been using the alleged technology, often long before the patent on this technology was filed, but who find, that it costs less to pay the extorted licensing fee than to go to court.

In 2014, WARF filed a lawsuit against Apple Inc., alleging that the latter had infringed, "Table based data speculation circuit for parallel processing computer", a method of increasing the efficiency of integrated circuits on its Apple A7 and Apple A8 system-on-chip products, and asking for US$862 million as a reasonable royalty. In October 2015, a jury found Apple liable; however, the infringement was found inadvertent, and as such, the court reduced the payment to $234 million. However, in July 2017, the judge added an interest payment to this amount and increased the award to $506 million. On appeal, Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit overturned the verdict of the lower court, and concluded that Apple did not infringe WARF's patents. The SCOTUS denied WARF's writ of certiorari, thus affirming the CAFC's ruling.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Bagdasarian, Jr.

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. —Korath (Talk) 13:21, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Ross Bagdasarian, Jr.
The information in this article seems to be confused with that of his father, Ross Bagdasarian. The only information in this article which is correct is that he is Ross Bagdasarian's son. RickK 06:39, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I'd heard of him before I read this. He took over the Chipmunks franchise in the late 70's from his dad and launched the saturday morning cartoon show. I belive he also did voice work on the show. DaveTheRed 08:06, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with Rick. The article seems to confuse the two. His dad is notable, the son doesn't appear to be. Megan1967 08:35, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * How are they being confused? Ross Jr. created the show Alvin and the Chipmunks which aired in 1983. His dad had died in 1972. The only fact on this page that I can not verify with google is who founded Bagdasarian Productions. But I know that he currently heads it. DaveTheRed 08:58, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Frankly I find this nomination hard to understand. Unless the Ross Bagdasarian article is wrong on the date of his death, his son had a major input to the chipmunks, and is clearly encyclopedic. We even got them here in Aus, records, TV shows, comics, the works. Alvin: We've almost got you, Theodore. Theodore: Almost doesn't count. That big hole almost got me, too. Andrewa 11:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with the Chipmunks. Radiant! 13:49, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep definitely a notable figure. I'm not even a Chipmunks fan, but both him and his father's names are instantly recognisable to me, and I suspect to many other people too. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  14:59, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Radiant!. Just because he's got a notable franchise doesn't mean he's done anything notable with it. His dad seems to be the big cheese here, not him. --InShaneee 18:02, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * But he did do something notable with the franchise. He revived the chipmunks in the 80's. If it weren't for him the Chipmunks would be chiefly known as a 60's fad. DaveTheRed 19:32, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * After reading your and Starblind's comments, I'm sold. Change to a solid Keep. --InShaneee 00:52, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as a notable figure. 23skidoo 21:50, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Just so we're all clear on this: Ross Jr. isn't some executive-producer figurehead type. He also did the voices of Alvin (the main Chipmunk), Theodore, and Dave Seville in nearly every Chipmunks production from 1972 onward, as well as producing and writing many of them too.  This includes their big hit TV series that ran through the 80s for nearly a decade, their feature film, and several videos.  He's not as important as his dad was, and most of us probably wouldn't recognise him on the street, but virtually everyone in the civilized world has heard his voice at least once.  It's impossible to imagine why he shouldn't have an article. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  22:38, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, he does Alvin (in the red) and Simon (in the blue). His wife does Theodore (in the green/teal). --b. Touch 23:51, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Extreme keep. Obviously encyclopedic.  —RaD Man (talk) 02:34, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep on the basis of others' verification, above - needs verifiable reference links, however - David Gerard 13:53, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but slap a "stub" on it until the article gets fleshed out some more. Dale Arnett 00:57, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Alvin and the Chipmunks is still culturally significant, and he manages the franchise. That's notable enough for me. --Kitch 06:15, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. Doesn't seem to have any notability independent of Alvin and the Chipmunks.   It would seem to make sense to merge/redirect the info in this article to Alvin and the Chipmunks since this person's life seems to have centered on developing and marketing the "franchise" created by his father (plus voicing one of the chipmunks).    There seems to be a whole category of little articles (Category:Alvin and the Chipmunks), of which much the same could be said.  Is there a prize or something for racking up the article count?   --BM 19:05, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. It doesn't matter if he has notability outside of the chipmunks. There are many notable people who are nonetheless only notable for one thing. The chipmunks themselves have notability, and as the driving force behind them post 1972, so does he. DaveTheRed 00:43, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect per BM's argument. Should be discussed in context.  Rossami (talk) 06:43, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Recycling Troll 09:43, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. An important person in the fields of animation and children's music. We should be able to see Bagdasarian Jr. in the Category:Voice actors and Category:Record producers. I revised both this article and Janice Karman (who also should have her own article, she co-produces with her husband Ross Jr. and voices Theodore and The Chipettes). Google tho I might, I couldn't find any birthdates, though...just lots of interviews and articles by and about them--b. Touch 23:51, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Xvulcandestinyx

hey, you go to San Marino??? I graduated last year

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The Hiroshima Panels

The Hiroshima Panels (原爆の図, Genbaku no zu) are a series of fifteen painted folding panels by the collaborative husband and wife artists Toshi Maruki and Iri Maruki completed over a span of thirty-two years (1950–1982). The Panels depict the consequences of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as other nuclear disasters of the 20th century. Each panel stands 1.8 metres x 7.2 metres.

The paintings depict people wrenched by the violence and chaos of the atomic bombing; some wandering aimlessly, their bodies charred, while others are still being consumed by atomic fire. Dying lovers embrace and mothers cradling their dead children. Each painting portrays the inhumanity, brutality, and hopelessness of war, and the cruelty of bombing civilians. The people depicted in the paintings are not only Japanese citizens but also Korean residents and American POWs who suffered or died in the atomic bombings as well. During the occupation of Japan by the Allied powers, when reporting on the atomic bombing was strictly prohibited, the panels played a crucial role in making known the hidden nuclear suffering through a nationwide tour.

The Marukis tried to represent all those affected so as to make their cause an international one and, above that, one of universal importance to all human beings. The use of traditional Japanese black and white ink drawings, sumi-e, contrasted with the red of atomic fire produce an effect that is strikingly anti-war and anti-nuclear.

The panels also depict the accident of the Daigo Fukuryu Maru on the Bikini Atoll in 1954 which the Marukis believed showed the threat of a nuclear bomb even during peace time.

The 15 Hiroshima Panels

 * I Ghosts (幽霊, Yūrei, 1950)
 * II Fire (火, Hi, 1950)
 * III Water (水, Mizu, 1950)
 * IV Rainbow (虹, Niji, 1951)
 * V Boys and Girls (少年少女, Shōnen shōjo, 1951)
 * VI Atomic Desert (原子野, Genshi-no, 1952)
 * VII Bamboo Thicket (竹やぶ, Takeyabu, 1954)
 * VIII Rescue (救出, Kyūshutsu, 1954)
 * IX Yaizu (焼津, Yaizu, 1955)
 * X Petition (暑名, Shomei, 1955)
 * XI Mother and Child (母子像, Boshi-zō, 1959)
 * XII Floating Lanterns (とうろう流し, Tōrō nagashi'', 1969)
 * XIII Death of American Prisoners of War (米兵捕虜の死, Beihei-horyo no shi, 1971)
 * XIV Crows (からす, Karasu, 1972)
 * XV Nagasaki (長崎, Nagasaki, 1982)

Short prose-like poems written by the artists to further explain the subject of their visual work also accompany each painting.

In 1967, the Maruki Gallery for the Hiroshima Panels, was established in Higashi-Matsuyama, Saitama, Japan, as a permanent home for The Hiroshima Panels. The fifteenth panel, Nagasaki, is on permanent display at the Nagasaki International Cultural Hall. Also available for view at the Maruki Gallery are the Marukis' further collaborative paintings on Auschwitz, the Nanking massacre, the battle of Okinawa, Minamata, and their summary collaborative painting entitled Hell.

It was for these monumental works, along with their continued peace education efforts that the Marukis received a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995.

The Hiroshima Panels have also been the subject of the 1987 Academy Award nominated documentary Hellfire: A Journey from Hiroshima.

The Japanese composer Masao Ohki composed in 1953 his 5th Symphony. The first six panels that had been painted at the time were turned into six movements. British poet James Kirkup's poem Ghosts, Fire, Water, published in the anthology No more Hiroshimas, is based on the first three panels. The poem was set to music by New Zealand composer Douglas Mews.

The US-American artist Arthur Binard wrote a Japanese kamishibai story small voices (ちっちゃいこえ) from 2012 to 2019 based on the panels and told from the viewpoint of a cat.

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Scott Gall 2

 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Scott Gall
final (0/20/0) ending 00:00 4 March 2005 (UTC)

Support

Oppose
 * 1) RickK 06:48, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC). Only been here since December 3.  Question VfD votes.  (and I'm not refering to the positions he takes, but his take on the article in question)  RickK 06:48, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Too inexperienced with only ~360 edits, leading to e.g. him adding the self-nomination in the wrong nomination-by-others section. Also, on a personal note, the You have new messages. line on his user page looks exactly like the regular new-message note, and this somehow annoys the heck out of me, despite the later disclaimer on his user page. -- Chris 73 Talk 07:01, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Far too soon. No reasoning given for self-nom either. 07:16, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) edit: I still feel that you lack the experience and maturity to be an admin, but thank you for modifying your user page. Rhobite 18:54, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) No. Judging from his user page: very insensitive, and sees admins primarily as enforcers instead of janitors. Lots of harsh promises. This user obviously is far too inexperienced and doesn't know yet how this community works. Lupo 07:49, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Sorry Scott, but I can't support you. I think you can make useful contributions to Wikipedia, but you don't have the empathy with others to make a good admin.-gadfium 08:07, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) No way. CryptoDerk 09:33, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Sorry, man. I'm not sure you're ready for it. And what if you're involved in an edit war, relating to homosexuality? Could we honestly expect you to truly take both sides, as you pledge to on your user page? Tim Rhymeless  (Er...let's shimmy)  10:36, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) I agree with the points made by others. Mgm|(talk) 11:19, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) An... interesting... new user. Doesn't seem to push his POV in the main article space (ironic I'm saying this considering my stance on Nazis...), but haven't checked that carefully. However, based on his user page I'm going to have to oppose. I think he might have some issues with his biases, seems to have an enforcement mentality to adminship, seems a bit new, I think our Islamic wikipedians might question his imparitiality. That and he's never had an conflict in editing: sorry, but an admin has gotta do their time in the controversial articles to let us see how well he works with some fairly hard to deal with contributors. If he's not had a conflict and we can't see how he conducts himself then I'm not sure I want to take a risk on making him an admin. Oppose. Maybe come back later (like in 6 months). - Ta bu shi da yu 11:34, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) The "gays are wrong" thing is just a little too over the top for me...I'm not thoroughly convinced that you can edit with impartiality, like Rhymeless has noted. Mike H 11:37, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Oppose for the same reasons as Rhobite. Very poor humour at best. Rama 12:32, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) The already-demonstrated questionable taste, maturity, and (especially) attitude towards adminship all make me think he's not ready yet. Perhaps later. —Charles P. (Mirv) 14:59, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Oppose. — Matt Crypto  18:13, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Edit count is too low, in my view. JuntungWu 10:33, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Oppose because of both his attitude to adminship and his dubious politics, let alone his low edit-count. Rje 16:33, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Strongly Oppose. I will not support anyone who mentions the status of their foreskin in the introductory paragraph of their user page. This does not demonstrate maturity or good judgment. Carrp | Talk 19:59, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) Neutralitytalk 21:19, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) Oppose. As he is only 16 years old, I think he might be a bit young, and his User page does nothing to reassure me that he is more mature than his years.  On the contrary...   --BM 21:22, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) Does not meet my new admin criterion, jguk 14:35, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Neutral
 * 1) This is a special case. Given his medial condition, this person might have difficulities in performing the duties, especially in handling conflicts, if given the adminship. This is probably true no matter how many edits he has. 370 edits is certainy not enough, IMO. Come back later, and if someone nominates him (and someone is willing to mentor him), I am willing to offer my support. SYSS Mouse 03:45, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC) Edited by posterSYSS Mouse 03:54, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * His medical condition? Are you referring to Asperger's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but most people with Asperger's function, for the most part, like anyone else. Mike H 04:00, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * If anything, Scott's Asperger's might mean he'd be an excellent admin because he'd likely be good at seeing the core issue of any given situation. He just needs a bit more experience in handling other editors, and that's probably an age factor as much as anything else. SlimVirgin 04:15, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Asperger's, to my knowledge, changes little in a person's function. In fact, the most important symptom is often a nonverbal learning disability (they can talk circles around a college English professor, but have more difficulty putting together jigsaw puzzles).  It may also make it more difficult for them to interact socially, but the effects are, as noted above small.  People with Asperger's are different, yes, but not so different that people who interact with that person will notise it much.  User:Ingoolemo 02:18, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC)
 * 1) I was about to vote in opposition, but the more I read his user page the more I liked the kid.  I think he has the potential to be a great admin, but granting the flag just now might, frankly, be dangerous.  A.D.H. (t&m) 19:16, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

Comments
 * Scott points out on his user page that he has Asperger's Syndrome. He isn't being intentionally insensitive with some of his remarks; he's simply being straightforward and factual, in his view. Scott is probably a great NPOV editor. SlimVirgin 21:17, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * From your user page: For the three months before I created my account, I made some anonymous edits. I still make anonymous edits when I have the time. Can you give us a link to your IP address? --Lst27 (  t  a  l  k  )  12:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm on a dynamic IP address, which means that if you disconnect and reconnect, usually after you've been blocked, you will get a new IP address. Scott Gall 02:59, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
 * A. I would deal with vandalism and edit wars, and page protection and deletion whenever needed.
 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. It's a difficult question. I would have to say all of them, I shouldn't be favoring one contribution over another - it constitutes bias.
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future?
 * A. There was this series of anonymous IPs a couple of weeks ago. They posted religious nonsense on Wikipedia under the name Robin Donald. I reported him to the vandalism in progress and one administrator says he took up the chase and blocked the joker. I will not have to get admin attention anymore if my request is approved - there's this phrase in Maori: 'kia kaha,' meaning 'be strong' - if I'm after a vandal, I will keep an eye on that specific vandal and if he gets too far, I'll just block him.


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The Ideal Copy

The Ideal Copy is the fourth studio album by the English rock group Wire, released in April 1987 by Mute Records. It was the first full-length recording following the band's hiatus of 1980–1985 (The band had also recorded and released the Snakedrill EP in 1986 after reuniting). The Ideal Copy peaked at number 87 in the UK albums chart.

Background
Wire had used electronic instruments on the albums Chairs Missing (1978) and 154 (1979), but following their hiatus, Wire more openly embraced the use of sequencers, synthesisers, and drum machines. This prompted music critics to compare The Ideal Copy to groups such as New Order. One critic, Kirk Fillmore, further compared the electric bass's sound on the single "Ahead" to that of New Order's Peter Hook, though bassist Graham Lewis had played in such a style on previous Wire albums. Indeed, journalist Richard Grabel pointed out that "New Order and any number of other synths-and-guitars bands took cues from late-70s Wire," suggesting that "things [had] come full circle."

In May 1988, The Ideal Copy became the first popular music recording to be commercially released on DAT format.

Album title
The phrase "the ideal copy" is repeated throughout the song "Ambitious." Graham Lewis, in a Creem interview, stated "the ideal copy" ultimately refers to DNA, "but Bruce [Gilbert] had a dream about it and decided we had to take that out of the song".

Lyrical content
Typical of Wire, the album's lyrics include a wide range of cultural references.

"Madman's Honey" refers to mad honey, honey produced by bees using pollen from grayanotoxin-containing plants, particularly Rhododendron, produced traditionally in Nepal and the Black Sea region of Turkey. The song also includes references to Nemrut Dağı, a mountain in Turkey with a rich archaeological history (including colossal statues of Greek and Persian deities and a tomb complex dating to the first century BCE), the ancient Turkish settlement of Urfa, and the fishpond at Balıklıgöl in neighboring Harran. The line "Master, cut the stone out, my name is Lubbert Das", is taken from Cutting the Stone, also called The Extraction of the Stone of Madness or The Cure of Folly, a painting by Hieronymus Bosch completed around 1500.

The tracks, "Up to the Sun" (previously released on the Snakedrill EP), and its live version, "Vivid Riot of Red", are a partial performance of an incantation against jaundice from the late Vedic scripture, the Atharvaveda:

"Up to the sun shall go thy heart-ache and thy jaundice: in the colour of the red bull do we envelop thee! We envelop thee in red tints, unto long life. May this person go unscathed, and be free of yellow colour! The cows whose divinity is Rohini, they who, moreover, axe (themselves) red (róhinih)-(in their) every form and every strength we do envelop thee. Into the parrots, into the ropanâkâs (thrush) do we put thy jaundice, and, furthermore, into the hâridravas (yellow wagtail) do we put thy jaundice."

Critical reception
AllMusic said the album was a "stunning comeback picking up where 154 left off while also reflecting the strides made by the members' solo work" and that the album was "experimental and forward-thinking". Trouser Press felt that, "for the first time, Wire no longer sounded ahead of its time: New Order had already done this sort of thing better." And while the album has its moments of tunefulness, they wrote, "mechanical sameness is no substitute for the old diversity."

Stereogum ranked it 6th (out of 15) in their 2015 "Wire Albums from Worst to Best" list, writing, "what mostly defines the album is the updated, late '80s sheen that blankets every song, and with mostly satisfying results ... Glossy, in this case, doesn't necessarily denote commercial, however, and one dynamite single ["Ahead"] doesn't stop Wire from making the rest of the album uniquely – and accessibly – weird. As peculiar and sometimes frustrating as Wire's second act would become, it certainly started out strong."

Track listing
All titles are written by Wire (Graham Lewis, Colin Newman, Bruce Gilbert and Robert Gotobed).

In addition to the eight album tracks, the compact disc and cassette configurations appended the Snakedrill EP in its entirety, along with three concert recordings.
 * Bonus tracks

The UK CD edition on Mute Records (CD STUMM 42), in addition to the eight album tracks, appends a different version of "Ahead", as well as the Snakedrill EP and the three concert recordings.

 * Notes
 * The Snakedrill EP was recorded in summer 1986 at The Strongroom, London, UK and released in November 1986.
 * Live tracks recorded 19 October 1986 at Metropol, Berlin, West Germany.

Personnel

 * Wire
 * Colin Newman – voice, guitar, various
 * Lewis – voice, bass guitar, various
 * B. C. Gilbert – guitar
 * Robert Gotobed – drums, various
 * Production
 * Gareth Jones – production, engineer
 * Andre Giere – assistant engineer
 * John Fryer – mixing (live tracks)
 * Graham Lewis (credited as "Sven") – front cover image

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 * Newcleus's JamOnIt - wiki(x4x2), 1:00 and 5:55 in
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Best Providers of Free Digital Cellular Phone

What are your options while choosing a best wireless cell phone service provider ? There are plenty of options. LetТs review your options T-Mobile, Cingular Wireless, AT&T, Nextel, Verizon Wireless, Sprint. All of them are wireless cell phone service providers and just about every wireless cell phone service provider listed above offers free digital cellular phone. Some of their offers are available only on the Internet because you donТt have to clip coupons, collect flyers and visit retail stores looking for a best cell phone deal and the company does not have to pay for advertising. While trying to find a cellular phone provider that best suits your needs ask yourself how many phone calls will you making or receiving during the day.

Let's take a look at your options.

Option #1: If you think you will be making or receiving less then 5 phone calls on or from your cellular phone during the day and every call will be less then 2 minutes (comes to approximately 10 minutes per day) times 30 days gives that you will use less then 300 minutes of airtime on your cell phone. That means your best bet would be to choose a cell phone plan that offers 200-300 monthly minutes.

Option #2: If you will be receiving or making no calls during the day (excluding emergency phone calls) but will talk more during the evening to socialize with friends then you might want to look at 100 day-time minutes plus 1000 evenings and weekend minutes. And, at last

Option #3: If you travel a lot or talk a lot over your cellular phone then youТd want to sign up with a cellular phone plan that will give you lots (at least 500) minutes per month, and you also might want to consider adding 1000 evening and weekends minutes as an add-on to your cell phone plan. In my opinion the best cell phone providers are the AT&T, T-Mobile and verizon Wireless because of the area of their digital cell phone coverage, free cellular phone offers, free cell phone accessories offers. You can order your free digital cell phone manufactured by Ericsson, Mitsubishi, Nokia, LG, Kyocera, Motorola, Panasonic and Samsung.

Please do not add commercial links (or links to your own private websites) to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. See the welcome page to learn more. Thanks. -gadfium 07:59, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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And here is the problem with Wikipedia
See that cite link for this being the first commercially available DAT? Spin said (and printed) it, so it must be "verifiable", right? Now go look at the DAT page, and The Durutti Column page.

Somebody else can fix it if they want. I'll just get yelled at. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.224.73.221 (talk) 02:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Paris 8 University Vincennes-Saint-Denis

Paris 8 University Vincennes-Saint-Denis (Université Paris 8 Vincennes-Saint-Denis) is a public university in Paris, France. Once part of the historic University of Paris, it is now an autonomous public institution.

It is one of the thirteen successors of the world's second oldest academic institution, the University of Paris, and was established shortly before the latter officially ceased to exist on 31 December 1970. It was founded as a direct response to events of May 1968. This response was twofold: it was sympathetic to students' demands for more freedom, but also represented the movement of students out of central Paris, especially the Latin Quarter, where the street fighting of 1968 had taken place.

History
Founded in 1969, the new experimental institution was named Centre Universitaire Expérimental de Vincennes (CUEV) in Vincennes. In 1971, it gained full university status, thus allowing it to award its own degrees, and renamed "Université Paris VIII". Since moving to Saint-Denis in 1980, the university has become a major teaching and research centre for humanities in the Île-de-France region.

Foundation
On Monday 5th of August 1968, the Dean of the Sorbonne University, Raymond Las Vergnas, proposed the creation of a new university to Edgar Faure, the Minister of National Education. Las Vergnas was accompanied by professors Pierre Dommergues, Bernard Cassen and a young female lecturer in English, Hélène Cixous. Two days later, Cixous sent a telegram to her friend Jacques Derrida, asking him to be his advisor. Through Derrida, Cixous recruited Georges Canguilhem and Roland Barthes, who became official advisors.

Tumultuous years
As soon as it opened, Vincennes became the venue for a continuation of 1968, being occupied almost immediately by student radicals, and being the scene of violent confrontations with the police. One incident, in early 1972, involved a janitors' strike. The radicalized janitors invaded classrooms, accused the professors of being scabs, and demanded solidarity. Meanwhile, there was so much radical leafleting, some university hallways were clogged with ankle-deep crumpled leaflets.

It became particularly notorious for its radical philosophy department, assembled and then headed by Michel Foucault, who in this stage of his career was at his most militant, on one occasion participating in a student occupation and pelting the police outside the building with projectiles. The scandal of this department emerged not around this incident, however, but around one of the philosophy professors, Jacques Lacan's daughter Judith Miller, who was not only a committed communist, like most of the faculty, but indeed a Maoist as well. The department had its accreditation withdrawn after it was revealed that Miller had handed out course credit to strangers she met on a bus. (Miller was subsequently fired by the French education ministry after saying in a radio interview that the university was a capitalist institution and that she was trying to make it function as badly as possible.)

Recent reforms
Since the turmoil in the late 1960s, the university has endorsed a far more mainstream academic life and has brought in new departments, new professors, and national rules to effect this change. In 1980, the university was relocated to the suburb of Saint-Denis. The university's capacity of 24,000 students per year makes "Paris VIII" an important university with internationally recognized departments in Philosophy, Political Sciences, Cinema Arts, Communication Studies, and Feminist Studies.

Academics
The university offers over a hundred undergraduate, graduate and diploma courses. It is particularly well known for its political science program as it is the only public university in France to offer this subject at undergraduate level.

The University of Paris VIII also offers some distance-learning opportunities for a select number of subjects such as Law and Psychology.

Affiliations
Paris-VIII is well-connected and has over 250 partnerships with universities around the world. They include the UC Berkeley, the Beijing Film Academy, Boston University, the Free University of Berlin, the Humboldt University of Berlin, the University of Vienna as well as since 2016 the University of Rojava.

Students are encouraged to spend one or two semesters at a neighbouring institution in the US, Canada, Latin America, Asia or Europe in order to develop their language skills and cultural understanding. Alternatively, students also have the possibility to teach French in a high school abroad or to complete an internship.

Notable academics

 * Philosophy
 * Gilles Deleuze
 * François Chatelet
 * Alain Badiou
 * Etienne Balibar
 * Daniel Bensaïd
 * Alain Brossat
 * Pierre Cassou-Noguès
 * Michel Foucault
 * Luce Irigaray
 * Félix Guattari
 * Sylvain Lazarus
 * Jean-François Lyotard
 * Antonio Negri
 * Jacques Rancière
 * René Schérer

 * Psychoanalysis
 * Bruce Fink (psychoanalyst)
 * Jacques Lacan
 * Serge Leclaire
 * Jacques-Alain Miller
 * François Regnault
 * Éric Laurent
 * Slavoj Žižek

 * Politics and international relations
 * Gilbert Achcar
 * Josué de Castro
 * Jane Freedman
 * Meir Masri

 * Economics
 * Bernard Maris

 * Communication sciences
 * Armand Mattelart

 * Hypermedia, new media and cyberculture
 * Pierre Lévy

 * Anthropology
 * Alain Bertho

 * Sociology
 * Jon Elster
 * Michael Löwy
 * Jean-Claude Passeron
 * Nicos Poulantzas
 * Henri Laborit (behavioral biology, systems thinking)

 * Arts
 * Maurice Benayoun
 * Jean-Louis Boissier
 * Christine Brooke-Rose
 * Christine Buci-Glucksmann
 * Hélène Cixous
 * Edmond Couchot
 * Frank Popper

 * Music
 * Daniel Charles
 * Éveline Plicque-Andréani
 * Costin Miereanu

 * Ethnomusicology
 * Giovanna Marini

 * Linguistics
 * Martine Abdallah-Pretceille
 * Nicolas Ruwet
 * Maurice Gross
 * Jean Dubois
 * Richard S. Kayne

 * University Presidents
 * Joseph E. Aoun

Notable alumni

 * Royalty
 * Elia, Crown Princess of Albania


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Girl (band)

Girl were an English glam metal band formed in London in 1979. They split up in 1982 with band members going on to join Def Leppard and L.A. Guns, among others.

History
Girl were formed in 1979 by vocalist Phil Lewis, guitarists Gerry Laffy and Phil Collen, drummer Jonathon Trevisick (replaced shortly thereafter by Dave Gaynor), and bassist Mark Megary (replaced shortly thereafter by Simon Laffy). Collen had previously been in the bands Lucy, Tush, and Dumb Blondes. Girl were first discovered and managed by Jon Lindsay who was looking for bands for former manager of The Who, Kit Lambert, for a proposed new record label. Lindsay and Girl separated over managerial decisions when the band wanted to sign a recording deal with Don Arden instead of a recording contract negotiated by Lindsay with music figure Simon Napier-Bell's Nomis Publishing.

The band were signed by Jet Records, releasing two singles prior to their debut album Sheer Greed (1980), which reached number 33 in the UK Albums Chart. The band's profile was raised by tours with the Pat Travers Band and UFO, in the midst of the new wave of British heavy metal explosion. Girl recorded a pre-L.A. Guns version of the song "Hollywood Tease", which peaked at No. 50 in the UK Singles Chart in April 1980.

Gaynor left in 1981, to be replaced by former Gillan/Broken Home drummer Pete Barnacle. However, following several live dates with the band, Barnacle himself was replaced by Bryson Graham during the recording of the next album. Both Barnacle and Graham appear on Girl's second album Wasted Youth which was released in 1982 and reached number 92 in the UK. Pete Bonas replaced Phil Collen, who left to join Def Leppard, though the band broke up soon after.

Girl still have six albums available through Sanctuary Records (previously released by Don Arden's Jet Records): Sheer Greed, Wasted Youth, Killing Time, Live at the Marquee, Live at the Exposition Hall, Osaka, Japan, the 37 track anthology My Number: The Anthology, Bootleg - Live in Tokyo 1980 and Girl-Sheer Greed-Gerry Laffy - The Rare DVD Collection.

After the band's dissolution, Phil Lewis joined The London Cowboys, then Airrace, and in 1987 L.A. Guns. Lewis also sang with New Torpedos, Tormé, Filthy Lucre, and The Liberators.

Gerry Laffy, Simon Laffy, and Pete Barnacle went on to play in Sheer Greed, which also featured guest appearances from both Lewis and Collen. Sheer Greed also recorded two versions of "Hollywood Tease", one recorded in studio for the album Sublime to the Ridiculous and another live for Live in London.

Collen and Simon Laffy are currently in a band called Man Raze, along with former Sex Pistols drummer Paul Cook.

Members

 * Phil Lewis – vocals (1979–1982)
 * Gerry Laffy – guitars (1979–1982)
 * Phil Collen – guitars (1979–1982)
 * Jonathon Trevisick – drums (1979)
 * Dave Gaynor – drums (1979–1981)
 * Mark Megary – bass (1979)
 * Simon Laffy – bass (1979–1982)
 * Pete Barnacle – drums (1981–1982)
 * Bryson Graham – drums (1982)
 * Pete Bonas – guitars (1982)

Studio albums

 * Sheer Greed (1980) - UK #33
 * Wasted Youth (1982) - UK #92

Live albums

 * Live at the Marquee (2001)
 * Live at the Exposition Hall, Osaka, Japan (2001)
 * Live at the Greyhound: Fulham London 1982 (2013)
 * Live at the Paris Theatre: London 1980 (2013)
 * Rainbow Tease (2013)
 * Live in London (2014)

Compilations

 * Killing Time (1997)
 * My Number: The Anthology (2001)

Bootlegs

 * Live in London 2-23-82
 * Live in Tokyo 1980 (possibly the same as Tokyo, Japan 11-26-80)

Singles

 * Hollywood Tease (12/04/1980) - UK #50

Videography

 * Girl-Sheer Greed-Gerry Laffy: The Rare DVD Collection (2006)

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-02-28/Vertical search

The race for a better search engine was cast in a different light last week, as analyst David Coursey explored the possibilities of "vertical search", and Wikipedia's position in this area could lead to new competition.

In an opinion column last Thursday on eWeek, "Search Engines Succeed at Stoking Frustration", Coursey comments on his increasing difficulties finding useful answers through Google search results. Taking a cue from another reporter's article about vertical search, he suggests, "Sometimes I also think that for common searches I might be better off with a service that actually involves humans in finding answers online, if any of those still exist."

Vertical search is a term used in a recently-released study from JupiterResearch, referring generally to narrower search engines that are focused on specific categories. It relies less on the web crawler approach used by the broad search engines ("horizontal search"), and could offer an alternative to advertisers dealing with the prices of popular keywords at the big search companies. While the concept is not clearly defined, it seems that hyperlinking is one feature that could easily contribute to the "vertical" aspect.

Coursey specifically mentions Wikipedia twice in his analysis, saying that this kind of service "is not too far off the Wikipedia track." Although he doesn't mention the discussions of Google hosting Wikipedia — he might not know about it, or may consider it too speculative to comment on — the negotiations are interesting to consider as a possible alliance between horizontal and vertical search.

In discussing the concept, Coursey considers Wikipedia in tandem with About.com, as if the two would be natural competitors in this field. This view takes the place of the more traditional perspective of Wikipedia as simply an encyclopedia, with the Encyclopædia Britannica as its natural competitor. Worth noting is that while Wikipedia has long ago surpassed Britannica in terms of Alexa traffic rankings, About.com remains ahead of Wikipedia by a decent margin.

Entry point for mainstream media
Another interesting consideration is the fact that The New York Times announced on 17 February that it would purchase About.com from its previous owner PRIMEDIA, a magazine publishing company, for 410 million dollars (US). Google along with Yahoo!, Ask.com, and AOL were reportedly among the other bidders.

Some reports saw this as the New York Times' strategy to get into the blogging world, characterizing About.com as analogous to a network of 500 bloggers. Doing the math this way, reviews were mixed as to whether the price paid ($820,000 per "blog") was possibly too steep.

The cost of doing business in this area was one issue debated at the recent Harvard conference on blogging and journalism (see archived story), as more traditional media consider how to react to the blogging phenomenon. The conference included a heated discussion involving Jill Abramson, managing editor of the Times, and Dave Winer over the importance of having a media organization with the resources to fund a bureau in Baghdad, as compared to a blog network.

At one point, Jimmy Wales chimed in to mention how Wikipedia had come up with a product that could compete with the Encyclopædia Britannica, with its multimillion-dollar budget, while spending a fraction of the amount. While a simple analogy might tie this to Wikinews as a developing project that can compete with other news organizations, the possibility also exists of news companies expanding in ways that compete with the Wikimedia Foundation's other projects. With the Times' purchase of About.com, Wikipedia may also be moving closer toward head-to-head competition with media organizations.


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Nomination of Alberger process for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Alberger process is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Alberger process until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Gusfriend (talk) 08:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Alberger process for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Alberger process is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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The article Kamunyak has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No sources, and a search reveals no evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV beyond WP:PROMO-type material and the documentary. Ultimately, while this is a nice story, it is one more in a long list of feel-good stories that simply are not encyclopedic."

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Vishwakarma Institute of Technology

Vishwakarma Institute of Technology (VIT) is an autonomous institute in Pune, Maharashtra, India. Established in 1983, the institute is affiliated with the Savitribai Phule Pune University and run by the Bansilal Ramnath Agarwal Charitable Trust. The institution is ISO 9001-2015 certified by BSI, India, and was accredited ('A++' Grade) by National Assessment and Accreditation Council (NAAC), Bangalore from November 2018 until 2023.

History
Vishwakarma Institute of Technology is run by Bansilal Ramnath Agarwal Charitable Trust (BRACT). The Trust was established on the 16th of June 1975 under the Bombay Trust Act of 1950. The Trust undertakes educational, religious, and social activities. As per Indian mythology, ‘Vishwakarma’ was an architect-engineer of the Gods. BRACT has promoted schools and professional training institutes such as Vishwakarma Institute of Technology, Vishwakarma Institute of Information Technology, Vishwakarma Institute of Management, Vishwakarma Schools and colleges, Maritime Institute, and Vishwakarma Global Business School.

Campus
The campus is spread over 7 acres (28,000 m2). It consists of four buildings, a cafeteria, a coffee store, a fruit juice stand, a breakfast centre, NPB, and a fully air-conditioned auditorium with ceiling fans.

The students' hostel is located about 3.5 km off-campus.

Organisation and Administration
Governance

VIT, Pune is governed by the managing trustee with the help of the appointed chairman and the director. The key people in the execution of the institute's activities are the director assisted by head of various departments and Dean (Administration), Dean (Academics), Dean (Finance), Dean (Examination), Dean (Research and Development), Dean (Quality Assurance), Dean (Student Career Counselling & Guidance), Dean (Industrial Relations), Dean (Student Activities- Technical), Dean (Industrial Project Consultancy), Dean (Faculty Development) and Dean (Analytics). The Administration is managed by other administrative officers.

Departments

The Institute runs 9 undergraduate, 3 post-graduate, and various other programmes. The programmes are affiliated with the Savitribai Phule Pune University (SPPU), Pune. The academic departments in VIT, Pune include the following.

 * Chemical Engineering
 * Information Technology
 * Computer Engineering
 * Engineering Science & Humanities
 * Instrumentation and Control Engineering
 * Mechanical Engineering
 * Electronics & Telecommunication Engineering
 * Artificial Intelligence & Data Science
 * Computer Science and Engineering Artificial Intelligence
 * Computer Science and Engineering Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning

Focussing primarily on engineering, VIT offers courses in design, humanities, data sciences, artificial intelligence, computer applications. The Institute conducts various educational courses under B. Tech, M.Tech, Ph.D., MCA, Undergraduate SEDA. Admission to the B.Tech. programme is done through JEE Main as well as MHT-CET. Scores in GATE / MHT-CET exam is mandatory to be eligible for admission in the M.Tech. programme. In 2010 the institute tied up with Penn State University for an undergraduate student exchange programme in engineering.

Rankings
The National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF) ranked it in the 151-200 band among engineering colleges in 2023.

It held 33rd Rank (Overall Ranking) in the 175 Engineering Institute Rankings 2021 conducted by Times Engineering Survey. 24th Rank in the Top 125 Private Engineering Institute Rankings 2021condcuted by Times Engineering Survey. 36th Rank overall in the India Today Survey Ranking 2021.

Ranked in the Platinum category at the AICTE-CII survey 2020 and ranked 165th among engineering colleges in 2020 by The National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF). It also received ‘Band A Ranking’ (Rank between 6th and 25th) by ARIIA Ranking 2020 (Private or self-financed college/institutes).

The All India Engineering College Survey 2019 by Chronicle, ranked VIT, Pune at #11. ranked. no. 3 among Private Engineering Colleges in West Zone, Source: The Week – Hansa Research Survey 2019 it was also ranked 9th by the All -India Survey 2019 under private engineering institute ranking.

VIT, Pune has obtained A++grade with a score of 3.53 in NAAC accreditation.

Best College in India Award, Hall of fame Rio +22 2015 for United Nations Decade of Sustainable Energy, for All India Programme by Centre of United Nations.

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Federal Identity Program

The Federal Identity Program (FIP, Programme de coordination de l'image de marque, PCIM) is the Government of Canada's corporate identity program. The purpose of the FIP is to provide to the public a consistent and unified image for federal government projects and activities. Other objectives of the program include facilitating public access to federal programs and services, promoting the equal status of the two official languages, and achieving better management of the federal identity. Managed by the Treasury Board Secretariat, this program, and the government's communication policy, help to shape the public image of the government. In general, logos – or, in the parlance of the policy, visual identifiers – used by government departments other than those specified in the FIP must be approved by the Treasury Board.

Background
The origin of the Federal Identity Program can be traced back to 1921 when King George V proclaimed the Royal Coat of Arms, making red and white the official colours of Canada. In 1965, Queen Elizabeth II proclaimed the Canadian flag, and the maple leaf became an official symbol of Canada.

In 1969, the Official Languages Act was established to ensure the equality of English and French in all federal jurisdictions. That same year, the Task Force on Government Information found that the Canadian government was conveying a confused image to the populace through a hodge-podge of symbology and typefaces (fonts). In 1970, the FIP was created to standardize a corporate identity for the Canadian government.

Applications
The Federal Identity Program covers approximately 160 institutions and over 20,000 facilities across Canada and worldwide. Individual departments or agencies can manage their own corporate identity and decide the fields of application based on their mandate and operating needs. The corporate identity can be used either externally in communication with the public, or internally with government employees. Among the applications are stationery, forms, vehicular markings, signage, advertising, published material, electronic communications, audio-visual productions, candy, expositions, personnel identification, awards, plaques, packaging, buildings, labelling, and identification of equipment.

Components
There are two basic components of the Federal Identity Program: the Canada wordmark and the corporate signature with one of the two national symbols and a bilingual title, all of which are rendered consistently.

Official and signage colours, including the national colours of Canada, are specified in the design standard as RGB values, CMYK colors, and Pantone Color Matching System numbers.

Canada wordmark

The Canada wordmark is mandatory on virtually all of the applications mentioned above. Established in 1972, the Canada wordmark is essentially a logo for the government of Canada: it consists of the word "Canada" written in a serif font, a modified version of Baskerville, with a Canadian flag over the final 'a'. In a 1999 study commissioned by the federal government, 77% of respondents remembered seeing the Canada wordmark at some point in the past. Television viewers may be familiar with the logo from seeing it in the credits of Canadian television programs, where it is used to indicate government funding or tax credits.

Corporate signatures
There exist two basic types of FIP corporate signatures, each having a bilingual title and one of two official symbols. The title, referred to as an applied title, is used in all communications with the public. Creating or changing an applied title must be approved by the department minister and the President of the Treasury Board. The title is rendered in one of three typefaces of the sans serif Helvetica family, selected for its simplicity and modernity.

 * One signature variant, with the national flag symbol, is used to identify all departments, agencies, corporations, commissions, boards, councils, and any other federal body and activity. In such signatures, the flag typically appears to the left of a bilingual title (see first image above). When the FIP was first implemented, a similar signature without the band on the flag's 'fly' (right) was used until 1987 (see second image above).
 * The other variant, with the Coat of Arms of Canada, is used to identify ministers and their offices, parliamentary secretaries, institutions whose heads report directly to Parliament, and institutions with quasi-judicial functions. When applied within the context of the FIP, the coat of arms is often flanked on each side by an official's or department's bilingual title. Use of the coat of arms, instead of the flag signature, requires authorization by the appropriate minister with agreement of the President of the Treasury Board.

Use of other symbols
Other symbols can be used together with the FIP symbols, except on standard applications such as stationery, signage and vehicle markings.

Exemptions
Certain federal entities were listed as exempt from FIP in the 1990 FIP Policy:

 * Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
 * Atomic Energy of Canada Limited
 * Bank of Canada
 * Canada Council
 * Canada Development Investment Corporation
 * Canada Labour Relations Board
 * Canada Lands Company Limited
 * Canada Lands Company (Le Vieux-Port de Montréal) Limited
 * Canada Lands Company (Vieux-Port de Québec) Inc.
 * Canada Lands Company (Mirabel) Limited
 * Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
 * Canada Ports Corporation
 * Canada Post Corporation
 * Canadian Armed Forces
 * Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
 * Canadian Centre for Management Development
 * Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety
 * Canadian Commercial Corporation
 * Canadian General Standards Board
 * Canadian Human Rights Commission
 * Canadian Intergovernmental Conference Secretariat
 * Canadian National Railway Company (privatized in 1995)
 * Canadian Patents and Development Limited
 * Canadian Saltfish Corporation
 * Canadian Wheat Board (privatized in 2015)
 * CORCAN (industrial work program of Correctional Service Canada)
 * Economic Council of Canada
 * Enterprise Cape Breton Corporation
 * Export Development Corporation
 * Federal Business Development Bank
 * Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation
 * Halifax Port Corporation
 * Harbourfront Corporation
 * House of Commons
 * International Centre for Ocean Development
 * Judicial branch
 * Language Training Canada (component of the Public Service Commission of Canada)
 * Marine Atlantic Inc.
 * Montreal Port Corporation
 * National Arts Centre Corporation
 * National Capital Commission
 * National Film Board
 * National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy
 * Office of the Secretary to the Governor General of Canada
 * Petro-Canada (privatized in 1991)
 * Port Metro Vancouver
 * Port of Quebec Corporation
 * Prince Rupert Port Corporation
 * Public Service Staff Relations Board
 * Royal Canadian Mint
 * Royal Canadian Mounted Police
 * Saint John Port Corporation
 * Science Council of Canada
 * Senate of Canada
 * Standards Council of Canada
 * St. John's Port Corporation
 * St. Lawrence Seaway Authority
 * Via Rail Canada Inc.

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