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Just curious... what is the meaning of your username? The Behnam 06:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It’s a misspelling of Ahriman – possibly subconciously influenced by Saruman. (For the record, I’ve been using the handle since well before the films.) -Ahruman 11:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you considered changing your username? Religious figures are not allowed, and the fact that this one happens to be the complete embodiment of evil and falsehood only makes this worse. It is like having a  User:Satan, or User:Satun, etc.  Frankly, it is disturbing and out of line with WP rules for usernames.  It is completely inappropriate.  The Behnam 18:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My initial response failed to give full context. The name does not refer to the actual religious character, but the fictional derivative in Ormus och Ariman by Carl Jonas Love Almqvist, in which he does not represent complete evil, but rather chaos as opposed to stagnation and rigidity.
 * In a broader context, I am opposed to unnecessarily broad applications of rules such as those in WP:U; banning every name which resembles or alludes to a religious figure, directly or indirectly, is clearly absurd – both because of the scope of the project and the fact that it would be censorship. I would also draw your attention to this comment on WP:RFC/NAME: “Policy states that [usernames which refer to politics or religion] should be reviewed, only names that either convince or detract religious/political views should be blocked. -- w L ” (emphasis mine).
 * The name was not selected to be offensive, and certainly not to convince people to worship Angra Mainyu. (I don’t advocate worshipping anyone.) I have been using it for a decade without anyone interpreting it as such proselytization. In summary: no, I have no intention of voluntarily changing my name. If, however, you choose to carry this over to WP:RFC/NAME, and there is clear support for your view, I will change it. -Ahruman 20:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a discussion happening at WP:RFC/NAME. John Reaves (talk) 05:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Specifically, Requests for comment/User names. This is turning out to be one of our more spirited debates. If nothing else, thanks for giving me an opportunity to bust out my theology reference books... I never would have guessed that, of all the areas of the encyclopedia, I'd be using them for the username comment board. ;-) EVula // talk // ☯  // 05:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello, . While there had been some discussion here about whether your username met Wikipedia policy on what usernames editors can use, the consensus was to allow it, and that discussion has now been closed. If you would like to see what concerns were raised, you can still find that discussion in the archive. You do not need to change your username. However, if you ever wish to do so, it is possible for you to keep your present contributions history under a new name: simply request a new name here following the guidelines on that page. Thank you. John Reaves (talk) 07:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for fixing my painfully obvious errors about the radius :) -- Stereo (talk) 01:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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Update about your query regarding "Peter Smith" reference link in "Mars Society" Wiki page !
Hai Ahruman!

Myself Suman, a graduate student at the University of Southern California. I'm currently working towards editing Mars Society page; as part of my coursework at USC.

I saw your comment on the Mars Society talk page, stating "The reference to Peter Smith links to a disambiguation page. It is not immediately clear which Peter Smith is meant." -Ahruman 13:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that the reference to Peter Smith mentioned in the article is now updated and the link to his wiki page is here Peter Smith(Scientist at NASA, JPL)

I will be working further to develop this page, to eliminate other issues. I would highly appreciate your suggestions and help!

Thanks

Suman B R

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spoeank

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Spoeank
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 * Delete, useless jargon. YannisKollias 13:04, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism, not in general use. Kappa 13:14, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah. More tiny groups of students making up words.  And they so want the cachet of getting their words into the dictionary ... that they add them to the encyclopaedia instead — without a definition, to boot. Delete. Uncle G 14:13, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)
 * Gehridoett (Translated: DELETE)--ZayZayEM 15:04, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of widespread use. JoaoRicardo 19:53, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristian Villalobos

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Cristian Villalobos
A 26-year-old who was born last year. Google yields lots of hits for various people with that name, including, for example, a Mr. Cristian Villalobos who is Superintendencia de Valores y Seguros, Chile. The article fails to cite sources and thus gives no indication as to which particular one of them it is purporting to be about. It also fails to establish notability. I'd rewrite, but I have not discovered enough about the other Cristian Villaloboses to determine whether any of them are notable. Moreover, from the talk page: Uncle G 13:08, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)
 * This page deserves to exist! The subject is relatively unknown, but has been active in photography since his undergraduate career and is now part of the Brooklyn art scene. 12.168.24.203 21:59, 2005 Feb 4
 * Bullshit! 210.50.60.112 08:59, 2005 Feb 6

 * Delete. Article fails to establish notability. - Jeltz talk  13:37, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article fails to establish notability, most probably because the subject is not notable. --BM 14:21, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Stupid vanity. Though I do know the shame of writing a current year (which at present is not 2004 BTW) on various applications and exams.--ZayZayEM 15:03, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No claim to notability JoaoRicardo 19:51, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, possible vanity. Megan1967 01:30, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn, vv Lectonar 10:58, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Down and Out in Beverly Hills

Down and Out in Beverly Hills is a 1986 American comedy film co-written and directed by Paul Mazursky, based on the 1919 French play Boudu sauvé des eaux, which was later adapted into the 1932 film Boudu sauvé des eaux by Jean Renoir. The film stars Nick Nolte, Bette Midler, and Richard Dreyfuss. The plot follows a rich but dysfunctional family who save the life of a suicidal homeless man. Musician Little Richard appears as a neighbor, and performs "Great Gosh A'Mighty" during a party scene.

Released by Touchstone Films, a film label of The Walt Disney Studios, Down and Out in Beverly Hills has the distinction of being the first film released by Disney to receive an R rating by the MPAA. The film was Dreyfuss' first substantial success after his much publicized drug problems and helped to reignite his career.

Plot
Dave Whiteman and his wife, Barbara, are a nouveau-riche couple in Beverly Hills whose 20-year marriage has become stale and sexless. Dave is the owner of Dave-Bar, a manufacturing business that makes wire garment hangers. He is having an affair with Carmen, the live-in maid, while Barbara tries to relieve her constant feelings of anxiety through shopping and experimenting with various New Age therapies. She admits to having hired Carmen partly to satisfy Dave's lust. Their teenage son, Max, has a strained relationship with his parents, communicates with them largely through his avant-garde videos, and is having issues around his gender presentation. Dave feels estranged from his 19-year-old daughter Jenny, who he believes is anorexic and making poor life choices. The family dog, Matisse, is also poorly adjusted.

Jerry Baskin, a down-and-out homeless man, attempts to drown himself in the Whitemans' pool, driven to despair by the loss of his own dog. Dave saves him and offers to let him to recuperate at their home for a few days. He is intrigued by Jerry's colorful accounts of his past life and former success and wealth, and offers to help him back onto his feet. As they spend time together, meeting Jerry's friends, Dave finds liberation in observing Jerry's lifestyle and outlook, which contrasts his own materialistic conformism. Meanwhile, Jerry overcomes Barbara's hostility and begins a sexual relationship with her. This reawakens her sex drive, and she and Dave re-consummate their marriage.

Jerry soon also has sex with Carmen, who now rejects Dave's advances as exploitative, thanks to the political literature Jerry introduced her to. He also cures Matisse of its behavioral problems through his empathetic skills, and he persuades Max to come out to his parents in his androgynous persona. Finally, he seduces Jenny, just as she vehemently denounces him as a manipulative psychopath. At an extravagant party thrown by the Whitemans, Jenny tells Dave she has overcome her apparent anorexia and declares herself deeply in love with him. This development impels Dave to physically attack Jerry, and the two, along with several guests, end up floundering in the swimming pool.

The following morning, Jerry ruefully confesses to inventing the stories he had told of his past and prepares to leave the Whiteman house. Wandering down the back service alley with Matisse (now his firmly bonded companion), Jerry turns to see the entire household gathering in the alley, gazing after him longingly. He silently turns back to rejoin them, and they re-enter the grounds of the house together.

Box office
The film opened on 806 screens and was number one at the US box office, with an opening weekend gross of $5,726,495. It added 10 more theatres and grossed 7% more in its second weekend, remaining at number one. It grossed $62,000,000 in the United States and Canada on a budget of $14,000,000.

Critical response
On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an approval rating of 80% based on 30 reviews, with an average rating of 6.9/10. The website's critics consensus reads, "An enjoyable farce that relocates Jean Renoir's Boudu Saved From Drowning to '80s California, offering fine comedic performances from Nick Nolte, Richard Dreyfuss and Bette Midler." Metacritic, which uses a weighted average, assigned the film a score of 72 out of 100, based on 16 critics, indicating "universal acclaim". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "B" on an A+ to F scale.

Janet Maslin of The New York Times quipped, "No film of Mr. Mazursky's is without its occasional sentimental excess, and this one even has its silly side; certainly Mr. Mazursky, who wrote the film with Leon Capetanos, knows better than to throw everyone into the pool at the end of a party scene. But as a comedy of manners it has a dependably keen aim, with its most wicked barbs leavened by Mr. Mazursky's obvious fondness for his characters." Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times gave the film four out of four stars and concluded, "Mazursky has a way of making comedies that are more intelligent and relevant than most of the serious films around; his last credit, for example, was the challenging Moscow on the Hudson. So let me just say that Down and Out in Beverly Hills made me laugh longer and louder than any film I've seen in a long time." Sheila Benson's review in the Los Angeles Times called it "depth-charge comedy"; however, she had reservations on the outcome of Nick Nolte's character.

Television series
In April 1987, a series based on the film aired on the newly formed Fox Broadcasting Company. Evan Richards (Max) was the only actor to star in both the film and show. It aired five episodes before cancelation, being one of two shows (the other being Karen's Song) that were canceled by the start of the 1987–88 television season by Fox.

Soundtrack

 * 1) "Great Gosh A'Mighty!" – Little Richard
 * 2) "California Girls" – David Lee Roth
 * 3) "El Tecaliteco" – Mariachi Vargas de Tecalitlan
 * 4) "I Love L.A." – Randy Newman
 * 5) "Tutti Frutti" – Little Richard
 * 6) "Down and Out in Beverly Hills Theme" – Andy Summers
 * 7) "Search for Kerouac" – Andy Summers
 * 8) "Nouvelle Cuisine" – Andy Summers
 * 9) "Wave Hands Like Clouds" – Andy Summers
 * 10) "The Mission Blues" – Andy Summers
 * 11) "Jerry's Suicide Attempt" – Andy Summers

While the soundtrack omits the song, the opening and closing credits feature a remix of "Once in a Lifetime" from the 1984 Talking Heads concert film Stop Making Sense.

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London Trombone Sound
I don't know if anyone wants to mention this, but an arrangement of this song was recorded on the London Trombone Sound. The song (and the entire album) is performed with only trombones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.196.1 (talk) 04:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"played by Duane?"
To my mind, the "opening guitar figure" consists of both the picked (Clapton?) and slide (Allman?) parts; I don't think it's correct to claim it's played by one or the other. Comments? Jgm 13:09, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think this article is missing the date that the song was released.
 * It is a duet between Allman's slide guitar and Clapton's bent notes. After the third verse and chorus, they do an overdubbed solo. —Bill Conrad 16:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Seagulls
I seem to remember hearing on a radio interview (maybe NPR?) that the "seagull" sounds at the very end were Duane whistling on a plastic bird whistle. Any confirmation to this story? Sayeth 19:44, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought he was making the bird sounds on his slide guitar. —Bill Conrad 16:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Cream "violently" broke up?
Is it true there was violence in the breakup, or was it just animosity? I know that there are some groups that broke up violently, but I didn't think Cream was one of them. -- Un focused 03:26, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know if there was any real violence, although Bruce and Baker really hated each other for a while; I once heard that Eric was reduced to tears by an argument B&B were having. Deltabeignet 01:45, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * While footnoting, I changed "violently" to "angrily". Deltabeignet 02:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Probably doesn't matter now, but I found this page from Eric's article, which, among other things, indicates that there was actual violence. Deltabeignet 02:37, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Pinko Commies?
I have cut the following: "The song was covered on The Pinko Commies' first album, Phunkadaliciously Incredibibble". I can't find any reference to this band or album, and suspect it is a hoax. -- Jmabel | Talk July 6, 2005 22:38 (UTC)
 * That reference was added a while ago by an anon who had created articles for both the band and the album. I believe they were deleted under VfD (possibly SD), but no one bothered to delete the reference. Hope that helps. Harro5 July 6, 2005 23:23 (UTC)

John Fahey
...But if we are going to mention covers of the song, I would think John Fahey's would be the most notable. -- Jmabel | Talk July 6, 2005 22:38 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll go along with that; I've added it. (I've never heard his version, but the Amazon sample sounded intriguing.) Deltabeignet 6 July 2005 23:22 (UTC)

Sky High link
An anonymous user whose IP is one connected with AOL Online has tried numerous attempts to add references to a character named Layla from a Disney movie Sky High. The character is mentioned once, in the following passage:
 * "Since he hasn't any super powers, he joins the ranking of Sidekick Class, along with new-found friend Layla (Danielle Panabaker), who has power over nature and a crush on Will."

Layla seems to be a medium-to-minor character in this movie to be released later this week. There is no need to provide a link to Sky High in the Layla article, and I am being particularly picky in reverting this link as Layla is a first-rate Featured Article. There is my explanation for deleting this link, and I hope that any AOL anons looking to re-enter the reference will discuss that choice here. Thanks. Harro5 07:41, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Obscure reference of layla
the word layla means night and the arabian nights is called alif layla meaning one thousand nights. the charachter layla in the poem had dark complexion

Background Section
Is it just me or does the quote sound ridiculous?:

"with an immediately recognizable guitar riff, always remaining a vivid memory for anyone who has heard it"

I mean, is this bad writing from Rolling Stone or a neutral article?

 * It's not just you. The quote strikes me as extremely unnecessary.

Name Origin
Can someone provide a source for "Their original title, Eric and The Dynamos, was apparently mispronounced as Derek and the Dominos, a name which stuck." I'm skeptical. Superm401 | Talk 18:24, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?&q=eric%20dynamos%20derek%20dominos <-- look at all the sources on the internet. this appears to be a well-known fact. --Canar 19:53, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

George's role on "Badge"
Man, I can't believe this article made it to featured status without anyone noticing the minor error about George Harrison's participation on Cream's "Badge"--George doesn't sing on it; he plays rhythm guitar (note his signature arpeggio sequence in the bridge, a misinterpretation of the name of which became the title for the song) credited as "L'Angelo Misterioso" for contractual reasons. I've fixed this. Drasil 22:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, actually, it was Clapton playing the arpeggio, but you're right about the vocals. Deltabeignet 01:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Track played at live shows
"For this reason, Clapton usually plays the acoustic version at live shows."

Is the contributor sure? On the One More Car, One More Rider tour, it was the original. At the Crossroads Guitar Festival, it was the original. Without a source, I'll have to remove the comment. Deltabeignet 23:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

More Photos
It's a bit lacking in colour. A contemporary (of that time) colour photo of Patti, and/or of Derek & The Dominos, would be nice. --kingboyk 20:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Whoa whoas
If I recall correctly, I think the whoa-whoa-whoa's that I hear in the solo right before the piano coda are coming from an audience. Comments? —Gm1121983 00:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I think it's Eric Clapton expressing his pain. —Mariusz Zielinski 13:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Because he's grouchy. —Brian Barbera 21:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's Bobby Whitlock who sings the whoas, and when the chorus repeats a second time, he echoes "Layla" after Clapton. —Brian Michael Barbera 22:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is Whitlock who sings the "Layla" part, and Clapton sings the part after that. —68.45.188.45 15:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful Tonight
I'm just curious; How could Clapton have written Wonderful Tonight for Pattie during their marraige when Slowhand came out in '77? They weren't married until '79. AltrEgo2001 18:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

 * That's clearly wrong. But does that whole section about Eric and Pattie's later marriage and divorce really belong here ? It's not relevant to this song. -- Beardo 22:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Unrequited love
As Boyd married Clapton, it wasn't really unrequited love was it? 89.240.199.90 23:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Then it was. -- Beardo 03:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Wait?
So the song is sang and played in different keys? That's probably why it sounds so weird, but hell it's damn well written. Is that the same case in "Blue Eyes Blue"?
 * If you mean sung and played in D minor at one point and sung and played in C sharp minor at another, then yes. If you mean sung in D minor and played in C sharp minor at the same time, then no, that would be unbearably dissonant. (Speeding up the tape post-recording also makes it sound more unique, as it gives the song a key you've never heard before. The same was done for "Baba O'Riley" and the original Kind of Blue.) Deltabeignet 17:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

GoodFellas, etc.
User:192.136.24.2 reworked part of the 'Beyond the original album' section, alleging that "Layla"'s use in GoodFellas led to newfound popularity and the Unplugged concert; User:Alex.rosenheim incorporated the change. That kind of thing definitely needs a reliable source; I've never heard any mention of GoodFellas as a career catalyst in any of the dozens of sources I've read. Deltabeignet 00:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Microtonality
Is that really fair? I think it's best to reserve the word "microtonal" for music that actually makes use of microtonal intervals within itself. It would be better to say that the piano piece is written in C but played (after tape tricks) to a pitch standard of A452 rather than A440. The only obvious microtonal interval is the one between "C in the first movement" and "C in the second movement" -- which is worth mentioning, but hardly makes for "microtonal music" given the separate nature of the two pieces as described in the very same section.

Andrew Rodland (talk) 21:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought the same thing while reading the article. I'm going to be bold and just delete it because it really is not microtonal in the strict sense. Conical Johnson (talk) 17:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Kinds of guitars
I think it would be interesting to say in the article what kinds of guitars Allman & Clapton were playing. Does anybody know? To guess from the flavor of the tones, Allman had a Les Paul & Clapton had a Telecaster or Stratocaster, but that is completely just a guess. If someone could find a published source about that, that would be terrific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.227.242.237 (talk) 00:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It used to be in there, but I must have lost it in revision. Your ear is good: Clapton played a Stratocaster nicknamed Brownie (guitar), while Duane played a Les Paul. Deltabeignet (talk) 21:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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another story
the mamas and papas band have a similar story to this one.Sunshine o my luv (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Trans-Siberian Orchestra
The Trans-Siberian Orchestra include this song in their live setlist if you want to note that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.189.191 (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Full Circle!
Eric Clapton played Layla with the Allman Brothers during the Allman's Beacon Run in March 2009 (specifically on 3/19 and 3/20/2009) 67.240.168.198 (talk) 02:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Owslystnly (talk • contribs) 00:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Recording glitches?
Is there a story behind the audio aroun 1:30 through 1:50 where there is a slight fade down in the vocal volume followed by some stuttering in the volume (on the first "Layla" of the chorus, the volume skips noticably higher during the word). I've seen this in various rips of the song, so I am pretty sure this is part of the actual master recording; Is there a story behind it? TheHYPO (talk) 19:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The original release of the album was hampered by a very muddy,compressed-sounding mix. The entire thing was re-mixed and sounded much,much better;there should be some mention of this in the entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.173.37.126 (talk) 17:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Covers
I would like to add a mention to Charlie Daniel's cover of the song. I'm attempting to find the original source of the cover, as it is most widely available on several compilation albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.121.217.63 (talk) 03:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

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Herman de Valenciennes

Herman de Valenciennes, 12th-century French poet, was born at Valenciennes.

Life
His father and mother, Robert and Herembourg, belonged to Hainaut, and gave him for god-parents Count Baldwin and Countess Yoland—doubtless Baldwin IV of Hainault and his mother Yoland.

Herman was a priest and the author of a verse Histoire de la Bible, which includes a separate poem on the Assumption of the Virgin. The work is generally known as Le Roman de sapience, the name arising from a copyist's error in the first line of the poem: "Comens de sapiense, ce est la cremors de Deu" the first word being miswritten in one manuscript Romens, and in another Romanz.

His work has, indeed, the form of an ordinary romance, and cannot be regarded as a translation. He selects such stories from the Bible as suit his purpose, and adds freely from legendary sources, displaying considerable art in the selection and use of his materials. This scriptural poem, very popular in its day, mentions Henry II of England as already dead, and must therefore be assigned to a date posterior to 1189.

See Notices et extraits des manuscrits (Paris, vol. 34), and Jean Bonnard, Les Traductions de la Bible en vers français au moyen âge (1884).

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The Bodyguard (1979 film)

The Bodyguard (Телохранитель, Telokhranitel) is a 1979 Soviet action film released by Tadjikfilm. It is one of the best known of the Red Westerns and directed by the veteran feature and documentary maker, Ali Khamraev.

Plot
The setting is Central Asia during the Russian Civil War. In the post-revolutionary twenties, when the power in European Russia was (officially) "fully in the hands of the workers and peasants", but the fight against the Basmachi rebels was in full swing. When a Red Army detachment captures Sultan Nazar (Anatoly Solonitsyn), the brains behind the Basmachi contingent, a decision is made to escort urgently the prisoner to the Bukhara province. The difficult mission is entrusted to a grizzled mountain trapper and conscientious revolutionary Mirzo. His expertise is essential to traverse the precarious paths and steep mountain ridges along the way, impossible terrain for the inexperienced. A group consisting of Mirzo (Alexander Kaidanovsky), his brother Kova, the Sultan, his daughter Zarangis (D. Alimova) and slave Saifulla set off on this journey, pursued doggedly along the way by Fottabek (Shavkat Abdusalyamov), the ruthless new head of the Basmachis. They are forced to fight on the mountain ridges as well as negotiate the natural dangers and harsh elements.

Cast

 * Alexander Kaidanovsky (dubbed by Sergey Shakurov) - Mirzo
 * Anatoly Solonitsyn - Sultan Nazar
 * Shavkat Abdusalyamov (dubbed by Oleg Yankovsky) - Fottabek
 * Gulcha Tashbaeva - Aibash, wife of Fottabek
 * Nikolai Grinko - Nikolai Grigorievich, border guard commander
 * D. Alimova - Zaranghis, daughter of Nazar
 * G. Igamberdyev - Kula, younger brother of Mirzo
 * Saidmurad Ziyautdinov - Saifulo, servant of Nazar
 * Bolot Beishenaliev - Mashrab, sorcerer, shaman
 * Rajab Adashev - Utash Ahmad Dodho
 * Sh. Mavlyanov - Basmachi
 * Saidmurad Saidmuradov - Nazar-aka, old hermit
 * Anvar Alimov

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2005 FIFA Confederations Cup

The 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup football tournament was the seventh FIFA Confederations Cup. It was held in Germany between 15 June and 29 June 2005, as a prelude to the 2006 FIFA World Cup. The tournament was won by 2002 FIFA World Cup winners Brazil, who defeated Argentina 4–1 in the final at the Waldstadion in Frankfurt. The final was a rematch of the Copa América final also won by Brazil. It was Brazil's second win at the Confederations Cup.

Venues
Originally, Kaiserslautern's Fritz-Walter-Stadion was also intended as a venue. However, on 27 May 2004, city authorities withdrew from the bidding process, citing added costs to complete the stadium on time as the reason for the withdrawal.

All five venues were reused for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.

Match ball
The official match ball for the 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup was the Adidas Pelias 2.

Awards
Source: FIFA

Goalscorers
Adriano received the Golden Shoe award for scoring five goals. In total, 56 goals were scored by 29 players, with none credited as own goals.

 * 5 goals
 * 🇧🇷 Adriano

 * 4 goals

 * 🇦🇷 Luciano Figueroa
 * 🇦🇺 John Aloisi
 * 🇩🇪 Michael Ballack

 * 3 goals

 * 🇦🇷 Juan Román Riquelme
 * 🇧🇷 Ronaldinho
 * 🇩🇪 Lukas Podolski
 * 🇲🇽 Jared Borgetti

 * 2 goals

 * 🇧🇷 Robinho
 * 🇩🇪 Kevin Kurányi
 * 🇩🇪 Bastian Schweinsteiger
 * 🇯🇵 Masashi Oguro
 * 🇲🇽 Francisco Fonseca
 * 🇹🇳 Francileudo Santos

 * 1 goal

 * 🇦🇷 Pablo Aimar
 * 🇦🇷 Esteban Cambiasso
 * 🇦🇷 Javier Saviola
 * 🇦🇺 Josip Skoko
 * 🇧🇷 Kaká
 * 🇧🇷 Juninho
 * 🇩🇪 Gerald Asamoah
 * 🇩🇪 Mike Hanke
 * 🇩🇪 Robert Huth
 * 🇩🇪 Per Mertesacker
 * 🇯🇵 Shunsuke Nakamura
 * 🇯🇵 Atsushi Yanagisawa
 * 🇲🇽 Carlos Salcido
 * 🇲🇽 Sinha
 * 🇹🇳 Haykel Guemamdia

Tournament ranking
Per statistical convention in football, matches decided in extra time are counted as wins and losses, while matches decided by penalty shoot-outs are counted as draws.

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Tulip Computers

Tulip Computers NV was a Dutch computer manufacturer that manufactured PC clones.

History
It was founded in 1979 as Compudata, as an importer of American microcomputers. Compudata was the distributor for Europe for the Exidy Sorcerer, a Zilog Z80 based home computer. When Exidy gave up on the Sorcerer in 1979, Compudata licensed the design and manufactured them locally for several years.

In 1983 it launched its own PC, the Tulip PC. To achieve 100% compatibility it simply copied the IBM PC, including the BIOS. IBM sued, and after years of litigation, Tulip and IBM settled out of court for an undisclosed amount in 1989. It was listed on the Amsterdam Stock Exchange in 1984. In 1987, Compudata changed its name to Tulip Computers.

Tulip made headlines among Commodore computer enthusiasts when it acquired the Commodore brand name in September 1997, and made headlines again in 2003 and 2004, when it tried to grab a share of the games and entertainment markets with Commodore branded products. In 2000, the Government of Bangladesh cancelled a contract, funded by the Dutch government, with Tulip Computers to supply computers. The Bangladesh government reported the price for the computers were too high. Tulip computers sued the Government of Bangladesh in a court in The Hague and secured a verdict that awarded Tulip computer compensation.

After supposedly making some headway in the market, it sold the Commodore name to Yeahronimo Media Ventures for €22 million. Negotiations began in the end of 2004; the transaction was completed in March 2005. On 27 September 2007, Tulip announced it wanted to buy back the Commodore brand for one dollar per share.

Tulip thought it could make more profit by buying it again, due to the new activities of Commodore on other markets.

Tulip sponsored Crystal Palace Football Club between 1991 and 1993 and eponymous professional cycling teams based in Spain (1989–1990) and Belgium (1990–1992), Tulip Computers. On 26 June 2008, Tulip changed its name to Nedfield NV. Nedfield faced serious problems due to the recession, and filed for suspension of payment after several of its subsidiaries went bankrupt. Nedfield NV itself was pronounced bankrupt by the district court of Utrecht on 3 September 2009.

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John Ogden

John Ogden may refer to:

 * John Ogden (colonist) (1609-1682), an American colonial leader
 * John Ogden (actor) (died 1732), a British stage actor
 * John B. Ogden (1812–?), 19th century Arkansas judge
 * John Ogden (academic), co-founder of Fisk University, Nashville, in 1866
 * John William Ogden (1860s-1930), British trade unionist
 * Jack Ogden (1897–1977), baseball player
 * John Ogden (photographer) (graduated 1979), Australian photographer and cinematographer
 * John Ogden (ecologist), New Zealand ecologist, botanist and Fellow of the Royal Society Te Apārangi
 * Jon Ogden (born 1974), American footballer

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John Farey

John Farey may refer to:

 * John Farey Sr. (1766–1826), English geologist
 * John Farey Jr. (1791–1851), his son, mechanical engineer

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Talk:Autocovariance

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autocorrelation
The previous suggestion that the autocovariance was the autocorrelation of a process with zero mean was just plain wrong. I thought this page could use extensive revision to bring it into line with the definition of covariance.

Richard Clegg

explain s
In

 * $$C_{XX}(t,s) = cov(X_t, X_s) = E[(X_t - \mu_t)(X_s - \mu_s)] = E[X_t X_s] - \mu_t \mu_s.\,$$

must explain what is s. --Krauss (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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explain weakly stationary process
In If X(t) is a weakly stationary process, then the following are true:

 * $$\mu_t = \mu_s = \mu \,$$ for all t, s

and

 * $$C_{XX}(t,s) = C_{XX}(s-t) = C_{XX}(\tau)\,$$

where $$\tau = |s - t |$$ is the lag time, or the amount of time by which the signal has been shifted.

Please explain more about it.
 * $$\mu_t ,\mu_s, C_{XX}(t,s)\,$$ and :$$ C_{XX}(s-t)\,$$can not be found in link provided

--Kezhoulumelody (talk) 13:44, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

explain linearly filtered process
In The autocovariance of a linearly filtered process $$Y_t$$
 * $$Y_t = \sum_{k=-\infty}^\infty a_k X_{t+k}\,$$

is
 * $$C_{YY}(\tau) = \sum_{k,l=-\infty}^\infty a_k a_l C_{XX}(\tau+k-l).\,$$

Explain linearly filtered process and what properties the autocovariance will have if it is not a linearly filtered process.

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Ryan Caugherty

Ryan Caugherty (born September 23, 1982, in Seoul) is a Korean-born American soccer player, currently retired.

Youth and College
Caugherty grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and attended Penn Hills High School, where he was named Section Player of the Year, All-WPIAL, All-State, and All-American. Caugherty played for the Region 1 ODP team along with attending the ESP camp. He played club soccer for Penns Forest and Pittsburgh Beadling, respectively, leading the latter to the national championships his senior year.

Caugherty played college soccer at Wake Forest University from 2001 to 2004. Playing left and right defender his freshman season to gain playing time, Caugherty saw a permanent move to the midfield in his sophomore season starting all eighteen games in which he appeared, missing only three due to injury. His junior and senior year saw nagging injuries interrupt his time on the field.

During his college years Caugherty also played for Carolina Dynamo in the USL Premier Development League.

Professional
Caugherty graduated from college early, in the winter of 2004, and was drafted by the Kansas City Wizards of Major League Soccer with the forty-seventh overall pick in the 2005 MLS Supplemental Draft. However, Caugherty expressed his desire to play abroad, and he eventually moved overseas to Europe without signing with MLS. Soon after being drafted by the Wizards, Caugherty moved to Denmark and signed with Odense-based club B 1909, a Danish second division team, before the start of the 2005 MLS season. He made an immediate impact in his professional debut for the club, gaining Man of the Match honors in his first five games with the club. Caugherty quickly gained attention from Danish Superliga clubs but saw a move to Viborg fall through. In the summer, Caugherty was offered a new two-year contract which he did not sign.

Caugherty chose to stay in Denmark, however, and signed a two-year contract with another Odense team, B 1913, in July 2005. Following some contract controversy, he left B 1913 just six months later to again attempt a move to Viborg.

Unable to reach a contract agreement with the Danish Superliga club he then moved to Swedish club Bodens BK in the winter of 2006, signing a two-year contract with the club. In his first pre-season game with the club Caugherty scored a goal but then later suffered an ankle injury on artificial grass which jeopardized his career. Recovering in less than six months, he made his debut for the club after the mid-season pause, going ninety minutes against Robertsfors IK.

After finishing his season in Sweden he was permitted to leave the club without fulfilling the full length of his contract, and he returned home to Carolina, taking up a place on the roster of his first club, Carolina Dynamo, in the USL Premier Development League.

Following the conclusion of the 2007 PDL season Caugherty signed a contract to return to Europe to play for Hungarian club FC Tatabánya, making his debut for the club against Újpest FC on September 15, 2007, but ultimately played just 12 games for the team, scoring one goal.

Caugherty returned to the area of his youth in 2008 when he signed with USL Second Division club Pittsburgh Riverhounds. He appeared in twelve games for the Hounds and collected one assist on the season. He was much less involved in the offense compared to his usual style, and developed a physical, defensive presence while assuming the team player role and moving to defense. While playing for the Riverhounds he took a job working for local business MrTakeOutBags.com.

It was announced on August 28, 2008, that Caugherty had moved from the Riverhounds to FC Unirea Alba Iulia of Romania, who play in Liga II in 2008–09.

However, Caugherty resurfaced in the United States again in 2009, and after a trial with Seattle Sounders FC, signed with USL First Division expansion franchise Austin Aztex. He left the Aztex at the end of the 2009 season.

Caugherty has now retired from soccer, and in 2011 he opened up the business Vaddo, Inc. in Houston, Texas. He continues to live in Houston with his wife Jaclyn.

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Keva (mythology)

Caoimhe or Cébha "of the Fair Skin" (known as Keeva or Keva in English) was a minor character in the Fenian Cycle of Irish mythology, daughter of the hero Fionn mac Cumhail and wife of his enemy, Goll mac Morna. In some versions of the story Goll was offered her hand in marriage after he slew a hag on Fionn's behalf.

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Hieronymus of Cardia

Hieronymus of Cardia (Ἱερώνυμος ὁ Καρδιανός, ) was a Greek general and historian from Cardia in Thrace, and a contemporary of Alexander the Great (356–323 BC).

After the death of Alexander III, he followed the fortunes of his friend and fellow-countryman Eumenes. He was wounded and taken prisoner by Antigonus, who pardoned him and appointed him superintendent of the asphalt beds in the Dead Sea. He was treated with equal friendliness by Antigonus's son Demetrius, who made him polemarch of Thespiae, and by Antigonus Gonatas, at whose court he died at the purported age of 104.

He wrote a history of the Diadochi and their descendants, encompassing the period from the death of Alexander to the war with Pyrrhus (323–272 BC), which is one of the chief authorities used by Diodorus Siculus (xviii.–xx.) and also by Plutarch in his life of Pyrrhus.

He made use of official papers and was careful in his investigation of facts. The simplicity of his style seemingly rendered his work unpopular to people of his time, but modern historians believe it was very good. In the last part of his work he made a praiseworthy attempt to acquaint the Greeks with the character and early history of the Romans. He is reproached by Pausanias (i. 9. 8) with unfairness towards all rulers with the exception of Antigonus Gonatas.

Like the even more famous lost history of Alexander by Ptolemy I of Egypt, no significant amount of his work survived the end of the ancient world. He is among the authors whose fragments were collected in Karl Wilhelm Ludwig Müller's Fragmenta Historicorum Graecorum (II pp. 450–61), and in Felix Jacoby's Die Fragmente der griechischen Historiker (= FGrHist 154).

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Anthony Dawson

Anthony Douglas Gillon Dawson (18 October 1916 – 8 January 1992) was a Scottish actor, best known for his supporting roles as villains in films such as Alfred Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder (1954) and Midnight Lace (1960), and playing Professor Dent in the James Bond film Dr. No (1962). He also appeared as Ernst Stavro Blofeld in From Russia with Love (1963) and Thunderball (1965).

Life
Dawson was born in Edinburgh, the son of Ida Violet (Kittel) and Eric Francis Dawson.

Career
Following Royal Academy of Dramatic Art training and World War II service, he made his film debut in 1943's They Met in the Dark. He went on to appear in such classic British films as The Way to the Stars (1945), The Queen of Spades (1948) and The Wooden Horse (1950), before moving to America in the early 1950s.

It was while there that he appeared on Broadway in the play, and then the subsequent Alfred Hitchcock film of Dial M for Murder (1954), playing C. A. Swann/Captain Lesgate. In the film, he is blackmailed by Tony Wendice (Ray Milland) into murdering his wife Margot (Grace Kelly). In his unpublished memoirs, Rambling Recollections, Dawson reminisced about getting the part:

"... I had never met Hitchcock before, and yet he was about to do me the most fantastic good turn I could imagine. In that wonderful fat man's Cockney voice, he said, slowly, drooping every word separately, as though he had all day: 'Tony, I just called to let you know that I want you for this picture, so you're quite safe to make yourself a nice deal.' What could I say? I mumbled my thanks and put the phone down, feeling rather dazed, electrified, stunned; all of these. The full impact of this call from Hitch was very soon to come home to me."

He had two other memorable roles on his return to Britain, including the evil Marques Siniestro in Hammer's The Curse of the Werewolf (1961) and henchman Professor Dent in the first James Bond film, Dr. No (1962).

Throughout his career he could often be found in the films of director Terence Young, including the aforementioned Dr. No, They Were Not Divided (1950), Valley of Eagles (1951), The Amorous Adventures of Moll Flanders (1965), Triple Cross (1966), Red Sun (1971), Inchon (1982) and The Jigsaw Man (1983). Young also cast him as the physical presence of Ernst Stavro Blofeld in his Bond films From Russia with Love (1963) and Thunderball (1965), stroking the ubiquitous white cat. His face was never seen, however, and Blofeld's voice was provided by Eric Pohlmann. Dawson appeared alongside fellow Bond veterans Adolfo Celi, Lois Maxwell and Bernard Lee in the Italian Bond knockoff O.K. Connery.

After the early 1960s, his roles got progressively smaller, but he continued to act until his death.

Death
He died in East Sussex of cancer at the age of 75 in January 1992.

Selected filmography

 * Charley's (Big-Hearted) Aunt (1940) – Student (uncredited)
 * They Met in the Dark (1943) – 2nd Code Expert
 * The Way to the Stars (1945) – Bertie Steen
 * Beware of Pity (1946) – Lieutenant Blannik
 * School for Secrets (1946) – Flight Lieutenant Norton
 * The Queen of Spades (1949) – Fyodor
 * They Were Not Divided (1950) – Michael
 * The Wooden Horse (1950) – Pomfret
 * The Woman in Question (1950) – Inspector Wilson (uncredited)
 * I'll Get You for This (1951) – Secret Agent (uncredited)
 * The Long Dark Hall (1951) – The Man
 * Valley of Eagles (1951) – Sven Nystrom
 * Dial M for Murder (1954) – C. J. Swann / Captain Lesgate
 * That Lady (1955) – Don Inigo
 *  The Buccaneers  (1956) - Captain Flask (1 episode)
 * Hour of Decision (1957) – Gary Bax
 * Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1957) (Season 2 Episodes 25, 26, 27: "I Killed the Count Part 1", "I Killed the Count Part 2", "I Killed the Count Part 3") - Count Victor Mattoni
 * Action of the Tiger (1957) – Security Officer
 * The Haunted Strangler (1958) – Superintendent Burk
 * Tiger Bay (1959) – Barclay
 * Libel (1959) – Gerald Loddon
 * Midnight Lace (1960) – Roy Ash
 * Offbeat (1961) – James Dawson
 * The Curse of the Werewolf (1961) – The Marques Siniestro
 * Dr. No (1962) – Professor R.J. Dent
 * Seven Seas to Calais (1962) – Lord Burleigh
 * From Russia with Love (1963) – Ernst Stavro Blofeld (body only, credited as ?)
 * The Yellow Rolls-Royce (1964) – Mickey (uncredited)
 * Change Partners (1965) – Ben Arkwright
 * The Amorous Adventures of Moll Flanders (1965) – Officer of Dragoons
 * Thunderball (1965) – Ernst Stavro Blofeld (body only, uncredited)
 * Death Rides a Horse (1966) – Burt Cavanaugh
 * Triple Cross (1966) – Major Stillman
 * Your Turn to Die (1967) – Dr. Evans
 * Dirty Heroes (1967) – American Colonel
 * Operation Kid Brother (1967) – Alpha
 * The Rover (1967) – Captain Vincent
 * Hell Is Empty (1967) – Paul Grant
 * A Sky Full of Stars for a Roof (1968) – Samuel Pratt
 * Battle of Neretva (1969) – General Morelli
 * Rosolino Paternò, soldato... (1970) – Italian General
 * Deadlock (1970) – Anthony Sunshine
 * Red Sun (1971) – Hyatt
 * The Valachi Papers (1972) – Federal Investigator
 * The Big Game (1973) – Burton (uncredited)
 * Massacre in Rome (1973) – Wilhelm Harster
 * Inchon (1981) – General Collins
 * The Jigsaw Man (1983) – Vicar
 * Pirates (1986) – Spanish Officer
 * Ghoulies II (1988) – Priest
 * Run for Your Life (1988) – Colonel Moorcroft
 * The Gamblers (1990 film) (1990) – Roy

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Farey

Farey is the surname of:

 * Cyril Farey (1888–1954), British architect and architectural illustrator
 * John Farey Sr. (1766–1826), English geologist
 * John Farey Jr. (1791–1851), English mechanical engineer, son of John Farey Sr.
 * Joseph Farey (1796–1829), English mechanical engineer and draughtsman, son of John Farey Sr.
 * Lizzie Farey (born 1962), Scottish artist

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User talk:MF1911

Hello. I noticed your entry on Henry Ford discussion page and agree with you. I am in the process of sorting my library and would like to add material, perhaps we can cooperate. --Pmeisel 13:29, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Category talk:Geography

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Information for Users

 * This category is the Geography category.

This is a guide to aid in the designation of articles into categories and to aid in finding information

For new users the article "List of basic geography topics" will help in an understanding of the layout of this category.

Index

 * Branches of geography: Contains the sub-categories of physical and human geography and the various sub-fields of geography
 * Continents: Contains the categories relating to the present and past continents
 * Exploration: Contains information on explorers, navigation and surveys
 * Geocodes: Contains links to lists of phone area codes
 * Geographers: Contains links to articles on geographers and a list of geographers
 * Geographic images: Contains links to articles and galleries with images of interest to geography
 * Geography journals: Contains links to articles to academic geography journals
 * Geographic societies: Contains links to articles on Geographic organizations and societies
 * Geographic technology: Contains links to geomatics, GIS, Geostatistics and other spatial analysis tools
 * Geography terminology: Contains links to common geographical terms
 * Geography by place: Contains several other categories of geography by country and continent as well as links to lists of place names and locations
 * History of geography: Contains links to key events in the field
 * Surveying: Contains links to articles on surveying methods and civil engineering
 * Wikipedia geography: Contains articles relating to the links for templates and reference material on Wikipedia
 * Geography stubs: Contains a list of small articles that are in need of expansion

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New start page
As you can all see I added the portal. Do you think this is a good idea? I quite like it, with the warning at the top, makes the page more interesting. Otherwise it's just a bunch of topics with a definition of geography at the top. Obviously it still needs quite a bit of work and we can learn from all the other portals. I recommend that we scout around and find the best features of others and then try to copy them in improving the portal. --komencanto 08:26, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This looks good, and is an excellent use of the Category pages and a way to be more informative for people linking from the front page. dml 11:46, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * this is the worst category page I've ever seen. why don't you use "Portal:" for this? On category i wanna qucikly find articles and subcats. Explaining what is "geography" belongs to Geography Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Tobias, try hitting the  key on the number pad of the keyboard to quickly scroll to the bottom of the cat page. Then hit the up arrow on the keyboard to see more articles and cats. Ancheta Wis 09:24, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There should be options for whether, and if yes, where, to include the portal. See bug 3494. Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 06:29, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Why is this page locked??
I was just about to add a link to the geography portal and the commons and also clean up the page a bit but I can't because this page is locked. It's the only category page that is locked! What's with that? Can you at least give me a pass to make some changes? Thanks. --komencanto 00:38, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Commons
Commons has images in this category. HenkvD 18:27, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Question about Image
It is unclear why there is an image of Delhi at the bottom of this page. The global image at the top represents the category well but the Delhi image seems out of place. There are no links to Delhi on the page. In addition to being a narrow slice of the geography topic, its position at the bottom of the page is also odd.

Replace? Remove?

Any thoughts?

Tobycat 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cat in Wikiportal style
A proposed layout, in Portal style, for the Category page header, above the Category listings. Comments and improvements are invited. Ancheta Wis 5 July 2005 11:12 (UTC)
 * That's not a bad style although I've played around with it a bit on the original page because there were no 'edit' links. I made it more like most of the other portals in style. Do we have permission to incorporate portals and categories? Is that now wikipedia policy so to speak? Do we think it's a good idea? --komencanto 00:38, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Unprotected
The category page is now unprotected. You may go ahead with any edits to the category page. Bratsche talk 5 pillars 02:33, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Templates
Why are there about 30 templates on this page? It looks exactly the same as the portal page - why can't we just incorporate that (I suppose it's )? Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 09:39, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Map of Earth
My browser says that the picture "Map of Earth" is unavailable. Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 06:15, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Mine says 'forbidden'?! HenryLi 13:01, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It seems to work now. Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 01:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Categorisation
Why did you make this category part of the Top 10 category but with an inicial space: It doesn't look so good to me, mainly because it isn't sorted in the G block but instead, in a no initial block. jοτομικρόν | Talk 13:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Topography
Why is this category needed? What does it contain that is not present under other categories (especially). Should we make a subcategory under Physical Geography for terrain?

Note recent chanegs to the article topography,a nd the addition  of new articles Cartographic Relief Depiction and terrain. There is a good discussion in Talk:Topography for background. --Natcase 13:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Geography is not a Social Science - please look at Social Science template - no geography there
It is not a Social Science but someone is repeatedly adding the Category:Social Sciences to Geography. -- Mattisse 02:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As mentioned on your talk page read the article social science and list of academic disciplines and you'll find that geography is listed as a social science further many universities and geographical organizations list geography as a social science and place it in the social science faculties.AlexD 11:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Earth
Hello i have recently proposed the Wikiproject Earth. This Wikiproject`s scope includes this article. This wikiproject will overview the continents, oceans, atsmophere and global warming Please Voice your opinion by clicking anywhere on this comment except for my name. --IwilledituTalk :)Contributions —Preceding comment was added at 15:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hidehiko Yoshida

Hidehiko Yoshida (吉田 秀彦) is a Japanese gold-medalist judoka and retired mixed martial artist. He is a longtime veteran of Japan's PRIDE Fighting Championships, competing in the Middleweight (93kg) and Heavyweight divisions. He won gold at the 1992 Summer Olympic Games at 78 kg. Yoshida also had two famous fights with MMA pioneer Royce Gracie that resulted in a no-contest and a time-limit draw.

Judo career
Yoshida first came onto the judo scene at the 1991 World Judo Championships in Barcelona, taking third place at 78 kg. He then took gold in the 1991 All Japan Judo Championships and 1992 A-Tournament in Sofia before entering the 1992 Summer Olympic Games. He swept the competition in Barcelona, winning all six matches by Ippon en route to his first Olympic gold medal. He went on to medal in the 1993, 1995 and 1999 World Championships, but didn't win gold at the Olympics again. He finished in fifth place at the 1996 Summer Games and ninth at the 2000 Summer Games. He retired from Judo after the 2000 Summer Games.

Mixed martial arts career
In 2002, Yoshida turned fully his attention to the world of mixed martial arts, where he had already worked as a color commentator, and signed up with Pride Fighting Championship to become a fighter. He accepted the premise of having to fight high level opponents, wanting to avoid implications that he was transitioning to MMA for not being competitive enough for judo anymore. He also vowed to compete in a judogi in order to draw interest to judo as a martial art. Yoshida later founded the team Yoshida Dojo, which focuses both in judo and MMA.

Bout with Gracie
Yoshida had his first appearance in Pride in a special grappling match against UFC pioneer Royce Gracie at PRIDE Shockwave. The rules of the match would feature limited striking to the body while standing and no judges decision, and would require both to use a gi. This ruleset had been proposed by Royce due to the 50th anniversary of the Masahiko Kimura vs. Hélio Gracie fight, and as such the bout was touted as another "judo vs. Brazilian jiu-jitsu" contest. As Yoshida wasn't a ne-waza expert, he prepared his submission skills with close friend and fellow judoka Tsuyoshi Kohsaka. Odds were stacked against him in popular perception, and Mário Sperry predicted Royce would not have a problem with Yoshida on the ground.

Started the fight, Royce immediately pulled guard in order to avoid Yoshida's powerful nage-waza, frustrating his initial gameplan of entering the ground through a throw. The Brazilian fighter attempted an armbar from his back, but Hidehiko blocked it and looked for a gi choke, so Gracie switched to a heel hook. After a stagnant leglock exchange between the two grapplers, action was restarted on the feet. Gracie pulled guard again, but Yoshida turned the action into a daki age, advanced to Royce's half guard and tried a Kimura lock. Although the Brazilian managed to hold off the technique, the Japanese passed his guard with a brief struggle and gained side control. Finally, the judoka fully mounted Gracie and executed a sode guruma jime. A moment of inactivity passed, and then Yoshida asked referee Daisuke Noguchi if Royce was unconscious, as he couldn't see his face. Believing it to be so, Noguchi stopped the match and gave the victory to Yoshida.

Getting up at the moment, Royce protested the decision and went to physically assault the referee, causing a brief brawl between the contenders' cornermen on the ring. After the event, the Gracie family apologized but argued not only that Royce had not passed out, but also that the referee had not authority to stop the match anyway, and demanded the fight result to be changed to no contest. Slo-motion footage of the stoppage shows Gracie's chin out and his neck free from the choke resulting in both Stephen Quadros and Bas Rutten, longtime PRIDE FC commentators agreeing Gracie had not been choked out.

Regular competition
Yoshida's first true MMA bout came at PRIDE 23 against former UFC 8 Tournament Champion and UFC Ultimate Ultimate 1996 Tournament Champion Don Frye. During the match, Yoshida threw Frye down with ouchi gari and attempted again the sode guruma jime, but Frye escaped, so then Hidehiko executed an armbar, breaking Frye's arm when he refused to tap out. It marked the first time in six years that Frye had been defeated. Secondly, Yoshida submitted former world karate champion Masaaki Satake by neck crank at Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye.

At PRIDE Total Elimination 2003, Yoshida faced shoot-style ace Kiyoshi Tamura in the first round of the Middleweight Grand Prix Tournament. Yoshida was dominated for most of the first round, receiving leg kicks and punches from the veteran Tamura and having his back taken on the ground, but he eventually managed to throw down Tamura with harai goshi and performed a sode guruma jime for the tap out.

Yoshida's first loss was to the PRIDE Middleweight Champion Wanderlei Silva via unanimous decision at PRIDE Final Conflict 2003. Wanderlei had already knocked out Japanese fighters like Tamura and Kazushi Sakuraba, but Yoshida broke expectations when he gave a back-and-forth against Silva.

At the first round, the two fighters exchanged attacks both from and against the guard, with Silva landing knees on the feet and Yoshida pressing with a neck crank, while at the second, Wanderlei blocked Yoshida's takedown attempts and scored violent head kicks and knees, only for Yoshida to absorb most of the most punishment and even stay at punching range in order to trade with him. The match ended with Silva knocking down Yoshida and getting swept in return for a final assault. The judges gave the decision to the Brazilian fighter, and the match itself earned Fight of the Year honors from Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

In less than two months after his match with Wanderlei, still carrying injuries from the bout, Yoshida got in the rematch against Royce Gracie at PRIDE Shockwave 2003. The fight was this time under modified PRIDE rules, with a special referee in Matt Hume, two rounds of 10 minutes each, and no judges, meaning any indecisive ending would end on a draw. Royce, who fought this time without his gi top, caused controversy when he aimed three consecutive low blows on Yoshida, eventually scoring one that stopped the match for minutes. Finally able to continue fighting, Yoshida knocked down Royce with a combination and attacked him on the ground, besieging his half guard and coming to capture his back once. The Brazilian answered capitalizing on an armlock attempt to gain top position, ultimately taking back mount while hitting repeatedly the judoka with hammerfists. The second round saw an initial battle for an ankle lock, but it quickly returned to the last position, with Royce straddling a turtled down Yoshida and scoring strikes in the search of a submission. The match ended up and was ruled a draw as stipulated.

At PRIDE Critical Countdown 2004, Yoshida faced the debuting Mark Hunt, kickboxing champion and K-1 veteran, and a much heavier opponent. Yoshida almost finished the fight early with an armbar from the bottom, but Hunt blocked it by pressing on Hidehiko's throat with his knee. For the rest of the fight, Hidehiko tried leglocks, triangle chokes and armbars, with the kickboxer blocking all of them via raw strength and a makeshift submission defense, until Yoshida finally locked an armbar and get the win.

In 2004, after promoters failed at getting a rubber match with Royce Gracie as Yoshida wished, the judoka was left to face the similarly debuting Rulon Gardner. Gardner, Olympic gold medalist in Greco-Roman wrestling and much heavier than Hidehiko, performed unexpectedly and dominated Yoshida with stand-up for a unanimous decision.

In April 2005, Yoshida got a rematch against Wanderlei Silva in PRIDE Total Elimination. The fight was even closer than its first iteration, as Yoshida won the first round to the judges and kept himself mostly out of danger until the third round, but he lost again by decision. Yoshida recovered from the defeat submitting Tank Abbott at the next event with the judo technique known as kata-ha-jime.

At the end of the same year, Yoshida faced fellow Japanese judoka Naoya Ogawa and won by an armbar in a highly anticipated MMA bout at PRIDE Shockwave 2005 with each fighter receiving a payment of US$2 million, which remains one of the most expensive fights in MMA history. Yoshida and Ogawa had already clashed at the World Judo Championship, a contest which was won by Hidehiko in an upset, and a theme of revenge was played in this match. This time without their gis, Yoshida started the match throwing punches and taking Ogawa down, and then a long and aggressive exchange of reversions and ground and pound happened. At the end, Ogawa looked to have dominant position, but Yoshida locked an armbar from the guard by surprise, making his judo rival submit.

The next year, Yoshida took part in the PRIDE 2006 Heavyweight Grand Prix, being pitted first against boxing champion Yosuke Nishijima. As expected, the judo champion threw him down and mounted him, and when Nishijima attempted to sweep, he locked a triangle choke for the win. Hidehiko advanced round and faced master kickboxer and eventual winner Mirko Cro Cop. In a classic striker vs. grappler fashion, Yoshida attempted to throw Mirko to the mat, almost scoring a uchi mata off the corner in an instance, but the Croatian powered out of it and kept landing leg kicks. Though Yoshida avoided being knocked out as per Mirko's trademark, he eventually fell to accumulated damage to his legs, losing by TKO. Yoshida was helped out of the arena by Cro Cop himself.

Yoshida's last match in PRIDE was against James Thompson at the Shockwave 2006 event. Yoshida outboxed the much heavier British fighter and threatened him with several throw to armbar attempts, as well as some leglocks, but Thompson then featured a controversial moment for pushing Hidehiko between the ropes of the ring to the outside. Yoshida chose to return to the fight, but the fall had taken its toll on him, and Thompson overwhelmed him with punches and knees until knocking him out. The bout would have yet another controversial moment, as the referee didn't stop the match, and allowed James to strike further a barely conscious Yoshida for a late stoppage.

World Victory Road
In March 2008, Yoshida made his debut in World Victory Road at its inaugural show Sengoku against catch wrestling specialist and former training partner Josh Barnett. The bout saw highlights like Barnett scoring a suplex on Yoshida and Hidehiko returning the favour with a flying Kimura, but it also featured intensive ground action, as the two grappling experts exchanged submission attempts on the ground. Come the third round, when Hidehiko dropped to his knees to avoid another suplex, Barnett gained top position and performed a heel hook, making Yoshida tap out.

Yoshida also faced former UFC Heavyweight Champion Maurice Smith in the first round of Sengoku: Third Battle in June. It was a short affair, with Yoshida taking the fight to the ground, gaining a kesa-gatame position and performing a neck crank to submit the UFC champion.

On January 4, 2009 at World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku Rebellion 2009, Yoshida faced a fellow judoka and former Toshihiko Koga apprentice, Sanae Kikuta, who had defeated Yoshida's own trainee Makoto Takimoto in an earlier event. Having ditched the gi, the bout started slow, with Kikuta taking Yoshida down and tentatively exchanging strikes with him. At the second round, Kikuta opted for pulling guard and pursue an ankle lock, while Yoshida remained on top and landed several punches through his guard. Afterwards, however, Kikuta reversed and got the mount, unloading ground and pound until the end of the round. The third round saw Yoshida stunning Kikuta with a punch and scoring a judo throw, but the Koga trainee took his back and kept striking on him for the rest of the match, eventually winning the decision.

Last fights
Yoshida defeated Satoshi Ishii at Dynamite!! 2009. Ishii had been pursued by many of the best organizations in the world such as the UFC and Strikeforce, to name a few. Yoshida was a significant underdog but came out in the first round and dominated the less-experienced Ishii, landing many punches including a right overhand that staggered Ishii, as well as a series of uppercuts and knees from the clinch. Ishii somewhat found his range in the second round from the clinch, but then landed an illegal knee to the groin of Yoshida, which badly hurt the veteran. Yoshida actually had to have his protective cup changed, but was ultimately able to demonstrate his heart by continuing to fight. Yoshida was taken down at the end of the second round and then was not as effective in the third round, getting hit with numerous strikes from Ishii, but ultimately held his own and was able to pull off the upset win via unanimous decision.

As his retirement, Yoshida participated in an event called ASTRA for his last fight on April 25, 2010, as a response to his frustration with his previous promotion. Yoshida lost the fight via unanimous decision to Kazuhiro Nakamura, a long-time student of his dojo.

Personal life
Yoshida is a graduate of Meiji University where he was part of the Judo Club.

In 2000, he founded the "Yoshida Dojo". It is a mixed martial arts academy based in Tokyo, Japan that focuses on judo. Many members, including Yoshida, have participated in both judo and mixed martial arts. The dojo is promoted and managed by J-Rock Management and Viva Judo! Entertainment and has produced some of Japan's top fighters.

Judo

 * 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games 78 kg class gold medalist
 * 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games 86 kg class 5th place
 * 2000 Sydney Olympic Games 90 kg class 9th place
 * 1999 World Judo Championship 90 kg class gold medalist
 * 1995 World Judo Championship 86 kg class silver medalist
 * 1993 World Judo Championship 78 kg class silver medalist
 * 1991 World Judo Championship 78 kg class bronze medalist

Mixed martial arts

 * PRIDE Fighting Championships
 * 2003 PRIDE Middleweight Grand Prix Semifinalist
 * Tokyo Sports
 * Topic Award (2002)
 * Wrestling Observer Newsletter
 * Fight of the Year (2003) vs. Wanderlei Silva on November 9

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Talk:Action-adventure game

This is all wrong!
This article is terribly flawed. The first line is correct: "Action-adventure games are video games that combine elements of the adventure game genre with various action elements." However, the Zelda series is not that by any means! That one is actually an action RPG. Other examples of the action RPG genre are: Soulblazer, Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma, the Seiken Densetsu (Secret of Mana) series, Crusader of Centy, Beyond Oasis, and the Monster World series.

What, then, is an action adventure? Prince of Persia is the very definition of the genre, with Out of this World, Flashback, Heart of the Alien, and Blackthorne as other good examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.195.88.155 (talk) 13:37, 6 February 2005 (UTC)
 * I would put Zelda as Adventure game before an RPG, you dont level up or have any concept of character development. The gameplay involves traversing a gameworld collecting powerups and defeating bosses grauduly getting stronger, much like Metroid, Metal Gear, Hebereke, Kid Ikarus, Blaster master and all the other adventure games. RPG's tend to have a heavy focus on narrative as well, where as adventure games place emphaisis on the adventure or journey itself, that is very much where Zelda is. Games like Terranigma and Illusion of Gia and Seiken Densetsu place more emphasis on character development and narrative and thus are RPG's. Zelda is not- UnlimitedAccess 22:39, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda games are not Action RPGs. The games are frequently mis-labelled as RPGs. RPGs contain elements of character development (which is usually tied to having multiple playable characters of customizable characters), specific characters skills and skill development which usually implements stats. Diablo is an Action RPG. Zelda is not. Yes, you collect items, but you do that in Adventure games as well. Ever played any of the old Sierra or LucasArts Adventure games? I ask you to find one element of Zelda that places it in the RPG category. --Denkriston 22:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No, they are not mislabeled. They are traditionally labeled RPG as in, you play the (fictional) historic "role" of Link. As games have developed, more recent gamers have more tightly defined RPGs as having certain elements. It's all opinion anyways. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.221.136.208 (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Agreed the Zelda games are not Action rpgs. Most prominent message boards on the subject have things to say about this hehe. RBlowes 13:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Historically, they are. See note above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.221.136.208 (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * What a massive pile of crap! Action-RPGs and action-adventures are NOT mixes of action and RPG or adventures or anything else! The terms have a meaning in themselves, independently of any other genres, regardless of however you may define action games, adventure games, or RPGs.

 * Here are the true definitions:
 * action-RPG: any game that is similar to Zelda.
 * action-adventure: any game that is similar to Prince of Persia.

 * Too hard to understand? - Stormwatch 23:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Prince of Persia is the very definition of the genre. I always thought PoP games were platformers, mixed up with action sequences(sword fights) which kept becoming more and more prominent in its sequels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.195.68.42 (talk) 13:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

RPG stands for "role playing game". It has NOTHING to do with "leveling up". It means you're playing in the ROLE of a character, and in the case of Legend of Zelda, you're always playing in the role of Link. Yeah, it could be argued most games (even FPS) are RPGs (assuming you don't switch characters), but in the Zelda games, you play the (fictional) history role of Link. These days, people have become accustomed to seeing certain elements (like leveling up) as being associated with a particular genre, so they've excluded a number of Zelda games. Traditionalist gamers, however, hold to Zelda games as RPGs, and such games generally are defined as having the overhead-view camera. It's all opinion anyways. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.221.136.208 (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Merge from non-linear exploration
The article Non-linear exploration is an attempt to describe this genre, I propose it be deleted (the expression is much too general, covers all non-linear games really) and relevant material merged to this one. Please take a look at it.

Arru 08:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Non-linear exploration has been given due attention by moving to Castleroid, the merge is no longer proposed. Arru 13:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Arcade Adventure - merge proposal
In the UK, this type of game is generally called an arcade adventure and, as you can see, an article describing said style has been created. I would suggest that these two articles are merged with both "action adventure" and "arcade adventure" links going to the merged article and both names being mentioned

- Zagrebo 12:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree. Can't find any reason to keep them separated. Of course the UK expression should be mentioned. Arru 12:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * ...and done! I found the history section dubious, redundant as well as lacking sources:
 * Historic Context
 * Arcade adventures were amongst the most popular video games in the 80's, the period of dominance of 8-bit home computers like the Commodore 64, partly due to their simplicity, which appealed gamers and overcome the hardware limitations of these platforms. For the same reason, text adventures were also popular at the time. Both were less complex and taxing to period hardware than full-blown graphic adventure games like Maniac Mansion, which, despite its debut on the Commodore 64, introduced a new genre that would thrive on 16-bit computers like the Amiga and the IBM PC and displace arcade adventures.
 * The notable examples don't seem very notable to me, but we need several people's opinion on that. Arru 13:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've replaced the removed games from the list that someone removed claiming they were moving them to an "isometric adventure" section/entry which I can't seem to find. I left out Ocean's Batman since it's less notable than it's follow-up Head over Heels. I'm also a little unsure now about Starquake which has some very simple arcade adventure elements but is more of a platform/maze game. -- Zagrebo 12:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I've found the referenced entry: Isometric adventure game. I think it should be merged with this one, since it's effectively just a sub-genre of arcade/action adventures. -- Zagrebo 12:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I love it Sir.temed (talk) 00:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Tomb Raider
I think the Tomb Raider series (beginning 1996) should be included rather than the most reason TR game -- Zagrebo 10:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Tomb Raider does seem to be classed that way I don't see why it shouldn't go there. RBlowes 13:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Metroidvanias or Castletroids
I think Metroidvania/Castletroid genre requires its own article. With more detailed explaination of the term, examples from Metroid and Castlevania, and other games which have been said to fit the genre, such as Chibi-robo. What oher games are there in the genre? Where did the term come from? etc. What do you think? --84.92.62.165 10:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe so; M/Cs are still action-adventure games, with the specific context that the world, while fully explorable in the end, usually has artificial constructs that can be cleared through power-ups and abilities gained in the game. That's the primary distinction of a M/C game. It can have its own subsection here, but its own page would be excessive. --Masem 13:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't Metroidvania redirect to the Castlevania series instead of here, since it's used to describe specific games in that series rather than the A/Av genre? - Koweja 20:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Metroidvania used to have its own page, and it was a pretty thorough one. I'm disappointed that it now points to this generic and less informative page. Keithustus (talk) 18:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week
Just some general suggestions- Hope it helps. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:41, 4 February 2009 (UTC))
 * I believe most genre articles should follow the format used in 4X, our only FA genre article.
 * The main sections should be "Definition", "Gameplay", and "History", and information should be grouped in one of these three categories with subsections as necessary.
 * The definition should explain that it is a cross genre and briefly describe those two genres. This is already done in the lead, but needs to be further explained in the article. A "Difficulties in definition" may be a good subsection as the current section ("Definition and confusion") mainly focuses on that.
 * Subgenres should probably be covered in the definition as well.
 * The gameplay should of course encompass "Common features". Maybe parallel the previous definition section by explaining which elements belong to which genre.
 * A "History" section would be needed to give more details about the evolution of the genre.
 * Information on the demographics and reception would ideally need it's own section. But if the information is sparse, then it should probably be integrated into the "History" section. Depending on the demographic info, "Definition" may be a better section.
 * Okay, reorganized. Gary King  ( talk ) 16:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Some sources I found for the colaboration

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 * Page x (Forward) Claims "Adventure" for the Atari was the first action-adventure game and set basic standards for all such games to follow.
 * Page xiii (Forward) describes the basics elements that were combined to create the genre
 * - Pg 210 Claims that action-adventure games are prefered by males
 * - Pg 26 - backs up the claim by the previous author
 * - Trivial mention about the action-adventure genre being too large and an unweildy classification
 * - Abstract mentions how the genre articulates player-game interaction
 * - appears to be an anyalysis of action-adventure games
 * - Pg3 again backs up the claim that males prefer action-adventure games.
 * - another case study dealing with action adventure games
 * - another case study

Overall, considering 3 independent scholarly reviews come to the conclusion that males prefer action-adventure games, I think that's important enough to mention. じん ない  05:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This point may be true, but I'd caution the sources. [2] says that males prefer action-adventure programming, not action-adventure games; As the article stands now, it specifies that they are not related. [3] says outright the males prefer action-adventure games (along with violent action games), but [7] only says that they generally like the genre more than females do. I'm not sure which point you want to make, but there is a distinction between the two. —Ost (talk) 21:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to comment again on the sources because I appreciate that these links are mostly not blocked at my work like many video game sites. I just want to point out that caution should also be used with [8] and [9] as they used Final Fantasy IX as the game in the study. This game is more commonly classified as an RPG.—Ost (talk) 21:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * While it does use FF9, Wikipedia does not classify games. So unless we have a lot of sources claiming that it clearly cannot fit into action-adventure and rpg at the same time, the study is still valid, although we should probably use less direct sources than the case study themsevles as they could be seen as primary sources.
 * As for the preference, at the very least it 3 and 7 show the male preference over female preference of the sub-genre. How strongly we don't have to state, but not stating it when more than 1 study shows that and nothing contradicts it would clearly be biasing the article. じん  ない  21:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I get you're point. I wasn't thinking that since [3] says males prefer the the genre and females prefer other genres that it implies males like the genre more that females (as [7] says). However, I don't read Studies have found that males tend to prefer action-adventure games, among others. that way. To me, that statement sounds like it stating that males prefer the genre over other genres rather than stating that males prefer the genre more than females prefer the genre. Would you have objection to rephrasing the point in the article to explicitly show that it means male preference over female preference? —Ost (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine. If I find more sources we can come back to the exact wording. じん  ない  22:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I changed it and cited the other source. —Ost (talk) 14:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Expanding the History section
Okay, so I added some initial text to the History section. The reference I used, http://www.justadventure.com/, has been brought up and accepted in several FACs before (1, 2, 3, 4). I only added information from the first paragraph of the reference, so if anyone wants to, feel free to add the rest of the reference. Gary King ( talk ) 18:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if people could check in at this thread, to help establish whether Just Adventure is a reliable source. Randomran (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

 * JustAdventure was added to the list after finding numerous sources citing their site. じん  ない  04:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for deletion
Many sources on the list are invalid and pure POV, there is NO professional definition about the "genre", there is no definition at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.69.57.250 (talk) 21:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

How come two subgenres of action-adventure link to the platform genre main page?
This just can't be true. If we think of genres as a taxonomy (and it seems pretty obvious we do) then the same genre can't be a subgenre of two main genres. In this case, Platform-adventure games and Isometric platform games are mentioned as subgenres of Action-adventure on this page but also as subgenres of platformers on that page. If platformers and action-adventures are on the same level of the taxonomy-tree this should not be possible. We have to decide what main genre they belong too. I'd say the "Isometric platform game" is actually two genres. "Isometric platformers" and "Isometric Action-Adventure". An example of the former would be "Whizz", an example of the latter "Head over Heels" or "Solstice".. One is a subgenre of platformers, one a subgenre of action-adventures. Platform-adventure games (aka Metroidvania/Castleroid) are difficult to nail down but I'd tend to put them into platformers. It's a similar case to the Puzzle Platformer. Like them platform-adventure games have the underlying structure of a platformers but with a slower pace, more exploration and usually a more substantial narrative. Actually, I think there might be a good argument to split this genre up to. To me Metroid is completely different to Prince of Persia. Maybe divide them into platform-adventure and "cinematic platformer". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Janbt (talk • contribs) 16:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

 * looking at the platform page again it does actually distinguish between cinematic platformers and platform-adventures --Janbt (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Zelda is a sandbox game?
Zelda is definately not a sandbox game. It does have linear gameplay. A story line is always linear. I hate seeing anything with a storyline defined as a non-linear game, especially if the storyline is not hidden in any way. --CrusaderDeleters 5:43 PM, 19 March 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.97.161.129 (talk) 21:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with your reasoning, many sandbox games still have storylines. However, most Zelda games are not sandbox games, and most aren't even particularly non-linear, so I agree, the "sandbox" term is very misleading. As for what they are, they are structured like RPG games... and a number of the entries are still defined by Nintendo as RPG games. I'm not wholly sure why they get lumped into the action-adventure category while games like Secret of Mana remain defined as RPGs, despite having very similar gameplay and structure. 94.169.97.45 (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree, Zelda is in no way a sandbox game. It is, to some extent, an open-world game, but not sandbox. However, not all games with story lines are "completely" linear. Yes, at some point they begin and end, so there is always some sort of pre-defined flow of events. However, there are many games which have multiple endings, multiple choices, and multiple paths the player can take to reach various ends. I suppose it really depends on how narrow of a definition of "linear" and "non-linear" you use.

See my statements below for a full response to classification of games. Corey Edwards (talk) 05:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposal for rewrite vs. deletion
I propose this article be rewritten rather than being deleted. Many persons feel there is not enough information to support this article. However, I believe the article is critical for defining certain types of video games. Unfortunately, there is not always a clear cut decision when categorizing something into a genre. For instance, The Legend of Zelda is certainly not a sandbox game. It does contain adventure elements coupled some some action, and a few RPG elements. You can purchase items and "talk" to characters in different places. However, there is no level-up system, no gaining new moves (aside from power-ups), and no party concept. Metroid has adventure elements, action elements, and platform elements, but most people, in my experience, wouldn't classify it as a platformer, because that term is far too narrow to describe such a game.

I believe the article would be best served with a disclaimer stating that a definitive answer to what an action-adventure game is, is hard to come by. Therefore, the contents of the article are written with the belief that it is a "general consensus" of gamers and developers.

“Not everything in life is cut and dry. One must be soft and moldable so that one may move as life moves him.”

Corey Edwards (talk) 05:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hopelessly Japan/USA centric
Arguably much of the innovation in this genre took place in Europe (specifically in the UK), from Jet Set Willy (1984) and Knight Lore (1984) and Fairlight (1985) to later games like Another World (1991). Indeed, if there's any one genre that we could claim was pioneered in Europe it would be action advenutres. Mikami, Kojima and Ueda have even said on the record that Another World was a major influence on their work. 216.165.95.70 (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Arcade Adventure - no mention in article
How come there is no mention of Arcade Adventure in the article?

- ZhuLien 12:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.141.11 (talk)

 * Indeed - looking at the discussion above, Arcade adventure was merged into this article a few years ago, but there's no mention of the genre now and the article is entirely US/Japan-centric, excluding the European games that I'd usually think of as being arcade adventures. Perhaps it'd be better to split the article out again. Adam Sampson (talk) 23:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

History section
I have 2 major problems with how this part of the article is written:

"Alone in the Dark (1992) used 3D graphics, which would later be popularized by Resident Evil (1996) and Tomb Raider (1996). Resident Evil in particular created the survival horror subgenre, inspiring titles such as Silent Hill (1999) and Fatal Frame (2001)."

"used 3D graphics, which would later be popularized by Resident Evil and Tomb Raider" ..uh... the way this is written suggests that these two were the pioneers and sole games to popularize 3D graphics, which just isn't true. They were innovative in the scope of 3D, but it's not as if they were the first. Tomb Raider is especially odd considering that other than being in the broad genre of 'action adventure' this article is writing about, it's in no way relevant to Alone in the Dark. It should be written "Alone in the Dark used 3D graphics in combination with pre-rendered backgrounds, which would later be popularized by Resident Evil" --that technique is very specific to Alone in the Dark and Resident Evil, and the latter DID popularize the use of that and would lead to several other games using pre-rendered backgrounds/3D graphics during the playstation era.

Secondly, "Resident Evil in particular created the survival horror subgenre" is just blatantly incorrect. If you go to the article hyperlinked, it lists 'Sweet Home' and 'Alone in the Dark' as predecessors to it and those games are now commonly referred to as survival horror. It should be rewritten to say that it popularized or invented the term survival horror, saying it created it is misleading. Caidren (talk) 15:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Sources on whether Immersive are Sims action adventure games
It seem like there is confusion if Immersive Sims are action adventure or pure adventure. Can we get some proper sources on this please?

Vinay84 (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Where is Assassins Creed?
It should be mentioned, methinks. - Joaquin89uy (talk) 09:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Action-adventure game