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User talk:Snowspinner~enwiki/Archive 6

Threat of Banning
I was simply making a suggestion to Turrican, not threatning him. As from personal experience I realize my own personal conduct has crossed the line, and I was just providing some fair warning to Turrican about the consequences of such actions. TDC 17:51, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * Agree with TDC. Admins do not have the power to ban either, only to block, but it seems anyone can warn someone about the consequences of certain behavior. Very Verily  06:20, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Fix
Would you have a look at People_by_year/Reports/Multiple_cats/SQL and tell me what you think of it. -- User:Docu

LaRouche, Adam and the mailing list
Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed to see your comment "With all due respect, if that is how he approaches Wikipedia, it is better that he not edit" about Adam Carr. Adam is terse, yes, and there are some minor POV issues with his version of that article. But, as you would know if you had actually read the arbitration case and the talk pages over the last several months, the problem with the LaRouchists is not so much bias - but issues of fact. LaRouche makes up stuff. The ArbCom has ruled as much. If you read back through the talk pages, you'll notice numerous times where the LaRouchists have made a claim, been asked for evidence to back it up, and have only been able to produce LaRouchist sources.

Then you've jumped into this fire (without being asked), and tried to merge the two versions, in the process putting in a great deal of unsourced LaRouchist material in. I'm all for neutrality, but with all due respect, if that is how you go about mediating, then it is better you not mediate. I've clashed with Adam numerous times, and he's left me almost in tears at times - but I can entirely understand his frustration on this one. Ambi 10:51, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * It's not that LaRouche's views don't need to be addressed. That's what the article is for. But there's so much misinformation about that a lot of his claims about himself are simply untrue. That's what the problem is with merging the articles - you're merging LaRouchist claims into the main article, with no evidence that they're actually true. And remember that Adam has been trying to work this out for months, with no success, so you can hardly blame him for being frustrated now. If you look back through the talk page archives, you'll see countless claims from the LaRouchists that they then cannot produce outside evidence for. Furthermore, LaRouchist sources are hardly acceptable, as even the ArbCom has agreed that LaRouche has a propensity for making stuff up, and his sites reflect that. Ambi 00:04, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi.
Hi, Snowspinner. Would you mind voting in my adminship nomination ? Netoholic & Co. are trying to knock it down. Thanks and regards, [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 16:03, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 16:14, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

 * I have a "& Co." associated with me now? I'm flattered that you think I have so much influence. -- Netoholic @ 17:26, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)

North American Man-Boy Love Association
Would you please sanction user:Corax who abuses Talk:North American Man-Boy Love Association to fill it with propaganda about the harmlessness of child abuse, accuses me of sexual hysteria, and asks me to see a therapist. Get-back-world-respect 13:41, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

:Category:critical theory
I propose the following one-liner for the Category:critical theory
 * Critical theory looks at, and comments upon, the mechanics of the process of privilege and marginalization of a group of people in the larger society.

Ancheta Wis 06:23, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

RfM
Everyone hates Netoholic - heck, he even managed to put zocky and orthogonal against him, which is no mean feat. I'm sure he'll eventually succeed in doing the same into just about anyone else he comes into contact with here all by himself. But I don't see the point of ranting on that page about him - it just makes you look bitter. Ambi 07:01, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Snowspinner. I wanted to explain my deletion of your comment on Requests for mediation - something I would not normally do on a talk page of course. In this case I felt that a negative comment from someone outside of that mediation might be damaging - "presume good will" is even more important in mediation than it is elsewhere on Wikipedia. I realise you meant well with your warning, but felt it best to remove it in this case. Regards -- sannse (talk) 10:20, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Poll
I have created a preliminary version of VfD decisions not backed by current policies/poll. Your comments would be much appreciated. - SimonP 17:20, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

About a month ago...
During our particular interaction about a month ago, you once said (both here and IRC) that if I were to avoid "fracases ... for a month", you would see it as a show of good faith on my part, and perhaps even change your views. Although I would never ask you to apologize, I would ask whether you are fairly judging my contributions since that time. -- Netoholic @ 15:34, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

 * I don't think you're being very fair, nor trying to bridge any divide we may have between us by continuing to levy that charge. It's inflammatory and only servers to poison the well. -- Netoholic @ 16:43, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

Myth
Thank you! Hyacinth 20:05, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Template: Crime
Then I request, with all due respect, that the decision to delete the template be reconsidered post-changes. Also, for what reason was it deleted in the first place? I think the reasoning behind deletion should be listed for templates awaiting deletion. --L33tminion 20:41, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

TFD archiving
I noticed you cleared out TFD... can you please archive the discussions to Templates for deletion/Log? -- Netoholic @ 00:10, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)

 * I'd be happy to, but since you cleared the listings and know what you decided for each, can you do the archiving this time? The reason that archived discussions is a good mechanism for deletion pages is so that if someone is curious where an article, template, category, etc. went to,  they can visit the non-existent page and click "What links here".  An archive discussion page will be shown, but a vote relegated to page history will not.  Like I said, if you could do the archiving in this case, I, or others, will do it in the future. -- Netoholic @ 15:52, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)

Template: IWD
Just wanted to thank you for taking the action to get rid of Template:Influential Western Philosophers. I didn't have the time to spend on the pedia, but the fact that it was marring the page of every major philosopher kept knawing at me. I appreciate it. — Adam Conover † 06:36, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Hey
Hi Snowspinner. I just saw your username and I think it's really cute (I hope you don't mind the POV ;)--[[User:Marie Rowley|Marie | Talk]] 07:27, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Netoholic arbcom case
I'm not sure if you were informed, but the arbcom has taken Netoholic's case. As the person who brought the request, you will be expected to provide evidence on the evidence page. →Raul654 20:19, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

 * OK, to let you know: I've added quite a bit of evidence to the page. Netoholic has been causing quite a bit of grief lately. Heck, I know he annoyed Ambi and in fact she told me on IRC that he even tracked down personal information about her! I'm pretty unimpressed with the whole deal. - Ta bu shi da yu 16:22, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

New Barnstar!
Dear Snowspinner, I award you this nice barnstar for your help during my past RfA's, and all your other acts of kindness to me. I really appreciate your kindness. --Lst27 (talk)  00:21, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Forum for Encyclopedic Standards
I have drafted a proposal for a new voluntary association on Wikipedia (joining groups like the The Business and Economics Forum and the Harmonious editing club) to promote discussion of a sort of system of expert review on Wiki. Please take a look and add your ideas. 172 08:01, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration matter of Avala is closed
1) The above findings of fact show that Avala has often worked against consensus and majority opinion. We therefore rule that Avala must follow the majority opinion of the users involved concerning any controversial edits that Avala makes. One specific consequence is that violations of the three revert rule are not permitted. This probation period will last for one month.

2) For a period of 3 months, should a serious dispute arise between Avala and other users with respect to editing of an article Avala is required to cite substantial authority supporting the position he is taking and either enter the dispute resolution process regarding the matter or drop the matter. A serious dispute is defined as one in which any party to the dispute has reverted the other 3 times or more. After Avala makes his third revert he shall cease editing the article with respect to the disputed matter until completion of the dispute resolution process. Resolution of the dispute in his favor shall require verification that the authority cited adequately supports the information he advocates including in the article. With respect to matters of taste such as size of templates he is required to defer to majority opinion.

3) Given the fact that Avala is now editing at a low rate, we reserve the right to revisit the conduct issue of this user once/if Avala starts to edit at an increased rate again and other users complain about Avala's conduct. This probation would last one year.

For principles, findings of fact, and enforcement see Requests for arbitration/Avala. --mav 21:47, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Please stop your creepy demands on Hilary Duff
Don't pose as if you have some kind of particular authority. What will you do if User:Hilary Duff can't verify her identity to your satisfaction? The user seems to be under the impression that you can delete her account, but thankfully you can't do that. Everyking 23:01, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * If I was a young, attractive, female celebrity, I sure wouldn't give out my e-mail address to a male stranger who wants to privately correspond with me. This "verifying your identity" ploy on the part of Snowspinner is a clever piece of social engineering to obtain an e-mail address for a celebrity. The IT department at my day job constantly warns us about these types of ploys.

 * Hilary is doing a good job of diplomatically ignoring your demand, Snowspinner. And rightly so, because you have no special authority here on Wikipedia.

 * Hilary should continue to enjoy contributing here on Wikipedia without harassment or stalking from other users.

 * Snowspinner, as an Admin, you should be more than aware of the Wikipedia policy to assume good faith on the part of other contributors. Please take your creepy demands elsewhere.

 * If you persist in making your unsupported demands upon this young woman, it will qualify as stalking, and evidence will be compiled into a report and submitted to the arbitrators.

 * (Posted anonymously to avoid retaliation - Snowspinner is an Admin.)

 * This is nonsense. Snowspinner (and I) made it perfectly clear that it didn't need to be Hilary that confirmed her identity - just an admin from the Hilaryduff.com domain. It will be interesting to look at the IP addresses involved in this affair and see if it isn't just one idiot wasting everyone's time. I am becoming increasingly skeptical. -- FirstPrinciples 07:03, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * And yes, I do think it is important to confirm the identity of a user who explicitly claims to be a celebrity. It's simple, not necessarily invasive, and filters out impersonators. -- FirstPrinciples 07:09, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree that the stated objection to verification doesn't hold water. I'm not sure, though, that there is a policy about celebrity names as user names.  There doesn't seem to be anything on Username.  (It proscribes impersonation of other users but not impersonation of celebrities.)  Instead of the requirement of verification, we could just take it as given that some users will adopt a celebrity name either as attempted impersonation or, more often, as a homage, the way we have User:Diderot.  Is it really a problem?  No one should be foolish enough to think that just logging in and creating an account as User:GeorgeWBush is enough to prove that the President has taken up a new hobby.  It would follow that there should be no assumption about the authenticity of the user's self-identification.  For example, if we're resolving a factual issue about a celebrity, we would give zero weight to a statement like "Well, I'm that person, so I should know."  Based on that principle, I'm editing Hilary Duff to remove the link to her supposed user page.

 * This issue ought to be addressed (one way or the other) at Username. I'll raise it there unless you can point me to something I've missed that covers the subject. JamesMLane 08:24, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I do feel that impersonating a famous person is on par with impersonating a user. Anonymous editing is fine in a Wiki, but if you choose to reveal your identity, you should be truthful about it. Incidentally, there is also a User:Jerryseinfeld (he has no user page and doesn't claim to be the Seinfeld AFAIK). -- FirstPrinciples 08:47, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

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Ooooo... I hate how Snowspinner and EVERYBODY else won't just stop bothering me!!! --*Hil* 22:01, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC) (This was NOT Hilary's original message. She never hated anyone, just what they were doing! --JGal2004 03:48, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC))

Did I vote against you for admin, Snowspinner? I don't remember, but I sure hope I did. It seems to me that whenever I see you mentioned, there's some trouble involved. Which is to be expected from someone who goes after others for the sake of policy—actually, not even for the sake of policy, but for the sake of what you describe on your user page as "common sense". So we have a rogue admin who acts purely according to his own "common sense" driving off a user who may well have been Hilary Duff, mainly by claiming to be some kind of authority he isn't. And I complain to you about it, and I get no response. I haven't yet seen an admin who so deserved to be desysoped, if for no other reason than to contain his ego. Have you set a record for most cases before the ArbCom? Everyking 22:42, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I remember other cases involving you besides just that one, Snowspinner. If it was just Lir who had a problem with you, I'd congratulate you. What about that whole deal surrounding your harassing User:Orthogonal for holding a minority viewpoint, which he raised a hue and cry over time and time again? What kind of good work do you do here that offsets your habit of driving off users?

Anyway, the whole problem was that you approached the matter with an intimidating pretense of authority. If User:Hilary Duff would just verify her identity to Snowspinner, everything would be fine, because really, he's the only one who matters anyway. But otherwise, there'll be trouble. Right. A new user doesn't automatically know how silly that sounds, though, and doesn't know that you can't really do anything about it. Such pressure makes a person think that editing here just isn't worth the hassle. Everyking 07:06, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I've raised the general issue of celebrity usernames at Wikipedia talk:Username. I'd be interested in your comments. JamesMLane 20:41, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Snow-s, for taking the lead in this in behalf of the community. It's a necessary job, and it looks like you're handling it appropriately. --Jerzy(t) 05:12, 2004 Nov 25 (UTC)

 * Okay, I've read Hilary's talk page, Mike Garcia's talk page, and JGal2004's talk page. Well, and of course this one. I also read Everyking's talk page. I still don't understand what all of this is!!! --.:Jenni:. 23:31, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lir
Hello Snowspinner. Just to let you know I have unblocked Lir. I don't agree that the block followed the terms of his parole. As I read it, the parole allows a maximum ban of a week, and that only in the case that he uses socks to revert a reversion of a provocative edit. I'm happy to discuss this with you if you disagree. Regards -- sannse (talk) 23:22, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Also note that Lir's first edit appears to have been to put up an arbcom case over this. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:23, 2004 Nov 20 (UTC)

I think it is a matter of interpretation whether an IP is included in the ruling about accounts. I wouldn't regard an IP as an "unauthorised account". If it's clarified as being the case, then I would support future bans for this. -- sannse (talk) 23:40, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

FYI -->. Regards - sannse (talk) 11:06, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As you can see, my sockpuppet Sannse is trying to receive your vote for arbcom; by showing you his diligence in absurd censorship. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Everyking's block
I notice you support this block. I don't think policy allows a sysop to block someone with whom they are involved in a debate, especially not a long-standing account, and most especially not for content disputes which are then called "vandalism". From the protection log I can't see any evidence that Everyking was abusing page protection (although please correct me if this is not the case)

Whatever one's opinions on current policy and any particular people, I would think we can agree that policy should be enforced at least superficially as it's written, and not simply ignored whenever anyone feels like someone else should be blocked. — Kate Turner | Talk 20:19, 2004 Nov 26 (UTC)

 * Indeed, as Kate notes, I engaged in no protection or unprotection of any article, and Hemanshu was a revert warrior himself in the dispute for which he blocked me. I am surprised to see that anyone would endorse such a blatant misuse of admin powers. Everyking 20:26, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Snowspinner, you don't know the first thing about rules. For my part, my "common sense" tells me somebody ought to block you for this. But unlike you, I don't act on that, because unbelievably, I actually do care about the rules. The day we get policies that enable the swift desysoping of users like you will be a great one for this community. Everyking 02:44, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Users should certainly be to ones to unblock themselves if they are outrageously and unjustifiably blocked by a sysop who is involved in the dispute. It isn't my fault that nobody with an ounce of civility noticed the block. I've been wondering for a while, Snowspinner: who put you in charge of things? The all mighty Snowspinner shall impose and retract blocks according to his whim. He may even block fellow sysops for no good reason if it suits him. Man, what would they do to me if I acted like that? Is it because you sit around on IRC so much instead of editing, is that some source of higher power? I don't get it. Everyking 03:01, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

So, I'll expect an apology from you, of the same sort that I presume will be shortly forthcoming from Hemanshu. Everyking 03:04, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * All right, I suppose your response tells me more than an apology would have anyway. Everyking 03:39, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration case
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, the matter of Snowspinner vs. Lir. If you wish to supply evidence, please do so to the evidence sub-page.

Thank you very much.

Yours,

James F. (talk) 18:23, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

LaRouche
Snowspinner, I have just seen your e-mail about the LaRouchies. It is a shame you didn't inform yourself about this before becoming involved. The users are inserting into Frederick Wills, who made a speech to the United Nations in 1976 about debt reform, that when he made the speech Wills was putting forward Lyndon LaRouche's debt proposals, because they had met in the previous year or years. There is NO evidence whatsoever to support this claim. If user:Herschelkrustofsky, user:C Colden and user:64.30.208.48 are in a position to know this, there must be some published evidence somewhere. It looks to me like an attempt to claim Wills' ideas on behalf of LaRouche. The onus is on the people who insert factual statements like this to provide evidence. This isn't like inserting a LaRouche perspective, or LaRouche POV, into a LaRouche-related article. It is an allegedly factual claim, which they seem unable to show is correct. Slim 23:11, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

Three-revert rule
Well, what I am supposed to do about that? I voted against the proposal, I made my arguments, it isn't my fault. You see now the can of worms it's opened, with trolls now taking advantage of it. Everyking 02:46, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Alas, there already is one. I've received support from only one user, though, while Reene has been backed up by a few. A rule that would ban a long-time hardworking contributor like me just for trying to prevent the removal of factual info (no one disputes that it's factual, at least that I know of) by a new user who has an admitted dislike for the subject matter is sheer silliness. I respect community consensus, of course, and if someone not involved in the dispute was to block me I wouldn't unblock myself, although at the same time I imagine I'd raise hell from the mountaintops. If I'm blocked, what good will that do? I'll still have to revert it again when I'm unblocked, and I have a 5,000 page watchlist to look after. Just going to sleep for a few hours means a considerable amount of work waiting for me when I get up. I can't imagine how it would pile up after 24 hours. I'm a volunteer, for Christ's sake. Everyking 03:19, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You protected the article on Reene's version? Surely you didn't realize what you were doing. My version is the long-standing and far more complete version. The burden should be on the person removing information to justify it, and we should err on the side of inclusion. That is only sane. I believe that in a dispute such as this, we should have some sort of democratic process established to determine whether or not information within articles should be deleted, as opposed to simply the question of whether or not whole articles should be deleted. Everyking 08:25, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Would it be crazy of me to say I don't believe you? Also, I want to point out that this isn't a normal dispute in which the lines are somewhat blurry. Reene wants to remove information that she herself does not dispute is factual. There is no valid justification for that. If she is going to push such radical logic on Wikipedia, she may do so, but we must favor established convention for the time being. Everyking 08:34, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Snowspinner, I ask that you do this for me, out of recognition for the absurd amount of time and energy I spend here, and the sleep I lose on account of it: if you won't do what I previously asked, add a message to the top of the article noting that there is another, more complete version of the article at User:Everyking/Autobiography (album). In the name of civility, do that for me. And restore the table somehow, as it no longer appears in the article due to your adding the template. Everyking 08:49, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Also add that others are welcome to edit it. Since it is in my user space, of course, I retain the right to indefinitely revert any removal of information there. Everyking 08:57, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you aren't willing to do it, just tell me, so I can take my request elsewhere. Everyking 09:25, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Snowspinner, think for a minute. You have already shown favor to Reene's version by protecting it on that version. Obviously. By adding my user space version, you aren't showing favor to my version. You are showing favor to her version but slightly mitigating it by giving the reader a choice to read an article that hasn't be stripped of information. Obviously. I thought for a while you were prepared to be reasonable with me, but I see now that I was fooled. I've raised the issue at Requests for Protection, so I'm not dependent on your whims. Everyking 17:35, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Jeopardy!
Hi! How can Jeopardy! results be found out before 7:00 at night Eastern Time (US)? Marcus2 19:40, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Undelete procedure
I like your procedure. IMHO it meets any legitimate need to view the article being discussed. I don't see how there can be any objection to it.

You may or may not be aware of an incident in the past where I was asked to temporarily undelete an article. I did so, placing a VfD-like notice at the top explaining that it was a temporary undeletion and pointing to the VfU discussion. Shortly thereafter someone removed the notice and made several edits to the article. I felt strongly that I had been taken advantage of, that the request to "view" the article had not been made in good faith, and that someone was trying to make a fait accompli undeletion prior to completion of the VfU discussion. Given this background I think your procedure meets an actual need. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:42, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Election articles
Here are all the spinoffs of 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities that I could find. --Slowking Man 06:32, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * 2004 U.S. election voting controversies, although JimLane stated on IRC that he is using this article as a cleanup attempt
 * 2004 U.S. election voting controversies, Florida
 * 2004 U.S. election voting controversies, Ohio
 * U.S. presidential election, 2004, exit polls
 * 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy, voting machines -- Already VfDed
 * 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy, exit polls
 * 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy, vote suppression -- Already VfDed

election controversies article
Hey snowspinner, the election controversies article already survived a recent deletion attempt? Why did you list it again? zen master 08:15, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

But I did relist the article... Everyking 12:50, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Didn't I already do that? Everyking 18:03, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Basically, yes, but I did write a little note explaining that I was sponsoring the listing in the interest of fairness. That isn't good enough? Everyking 18:38, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Are you not going to restore it, man? Doesn't everyone deserve fair treatment? I've gotten so tired of the chilly, almost hateful atmosphere around here. That's no way to build a community. Whatever happened to Wikilove? Everyking 03:31, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please undelete Historical reconstruction of the sort of person Jesus would be
because (a) it is required as evidence (b) there was NO vote for deletion (VfD)

Isn't that an abuse of adminship? CheeseDreams 18:56, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RfA
I honestly do not understand why you want to argue about this. It is true that I labeled Cool Hand Luke's addition an "ammendment." If you don't accept that wording, delete it. I don't think you have a right to move his complaint, but that is between you and he. As for my complaint -- frankly, I don't care what your opinion of it is. I am requestion arbitration concerning a set of disputes between me and CheeseDreams. You may not take my side, you may not think this requires arbitration, you may think it duplicates your complaint. But I am not competing with you, nor am I commenting on your complaint. Everyone at Wikipedia has a right to seek dispute resolution. I have gone through RfC and RfM and I have a right to make a request for arbitration. You simply have NO right to remove my complaint, it is utterly uncalled for and the only reason I am not making any formal complaint against you is that I think you made an error of judgement in good faith, and I hoped that once you realized what you did you would accept that.

Do you believe that the arbitration committee will treat our two requests as connected? If you think my request is being unfairly or inappropriately attached to your complaint, than I propose this: you ask the arbitration committee to consider each request separately. But you have no right to remove my request. Slrubenstein

Anthony DiPierro
Why did you revert my edits to User:Anthony DiPierro? I see no justifications for him to have his own licensing terms and conditions BS. Oven Fresh 20:12, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Temp undeletion
That wasn't aimed at you - it was an innovative idea. :) It was aimed squarely at Anthony, for requesting being able to see deleted articles, then when you give him the opportunity, asking for auto-undeletion on his whim. Ambi 01:18, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Auto
Since you were the one who protected Autobiography (album), I'd like to ask you to be the one to unprotect it. It's been a week now; it was protected on November 30, and there's been little discussion since because Reene doesn't want to talk to me. I see no reason why it should just be protected indefinitely, after all, and I've been working pretty hard on some revisions at Autobiography (album)/Temp (and thanks for creating that, it didn't even occur to me to use a Temp page instead of a user subpage), and I'd like to have a chance to try them out. The revision also includes some updates regarding current events, so I ought to at least have an opportunity to add those. Give it a little while without protection, a few days or a week, and let's see if that's enough time to get this worked out. If we're still reverting then, there'll be no hard feelings if you want to protect it again. Everyking 00:21, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

VFD Nominations for Election Sub-Articles
Although I agree that this article / these articles need cleanup, I think that your attempt to vfd them en masse is hasty, although not necessarily excessive. A few points on this matter: However:
 * 1) The consensus to keep the main article is clear.
 * 2) Wikipedia policy does allow for the splitting of large articles.
 * 3) There is no namespace conflict here.
 * 1) The articles are poorly organized.
 * 2) The "see also" sections are inconsistant.
 * 3) The articles do contain redundant information (although they are not entirely redundant).

So, cleanup is definately needed. What I would suggest is that you wait until these articles are no longer on a current event before attempting such a massive overhaul. (Yes, I do realize that this possibly means waiting four years, in the worst-case scenario.) It's hard to evaluate which information is important and which is not while an issue is going on, so it would be best if as much data as possible is retained for now, focussing efforts on keeping it organized. Merging and scaling back the article, if necessary, can be done when things can be looked at in context. --L33tminion | (talk) 23:09, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia still has articles on current events, and I don't think that Wikipedia will stop doing so due to the existance of Wikinews. They can cover some of the same information, just with different criteria for inclusion and different formats.  At any rate, this topic in general is notable, but the exact examples that will be used in the final article / articles are not determined because the articles are still works in progress.  It might be best to wait until development calms down a bit before taking such drastic measures.  --L33tminion | (talk) 23:55, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

 * Also, remember that Wikipedia is a place for developing articles, not just finished ones. --L33tminion | (talk) 23:57, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

List of MMORPGs
You removed a link to on List of MMORPGs saying there are many reasons it's a sham/scam - what are these reasons? I had previously though it to be a reputable site... --Kevin 18:57, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm wondering the same thing too. The site was recently covered on slashdot, and although it isn't exactly a peer-reviewed journal, no one in the comment thread had anything bad to say about the site itself. What have you seen to suggest that site is bogus? -- Ponder 18:48, 2004 Dec 9 (UTC)
 * Oops, I somehow missed this comment on my first readthrough.  I don't think it's a coincidence it came from someone with a slashdot username the same as your wikipedia username.  OK, it looks like you have a beef with the author of the site. I think we need to have this discussion on Talk:List of MMORPGs, and I am going to copy this thread over there. - Ponder 19:07, 2004 Dec 9 (UTC)

Red Ensign
Hi,

Could you please drop in at Talk:Red Ensign and see if you can help to resolve a rather nasty dispute?AndyL 00:58, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Summary of the Red Ensign affair
I have not been much involved in this debate, but I have followed it closely enough to summarize it. There is no current dispute over content. There was one over whether the Red Ensign article should mention that the Canadian Red Ensign is today sometimes used by neo-nazi groups. The truth of this allegation was not disputed, merely whether it is important enough to mention in this article. ArmchairVexillologistDon, and others, thought it should be removed and AndyL felt that the reference should stay.

The compromise, proposed by CJCurrie, was that a separate article on the Canadian Red Ensign should be created. This new page would contain detailed information, including the neo-nazi reference. The section on the Canadian Red Ensign on this page would be reduced to only a few sentences and include no reference to neo-nazis. This was done and all parties seem content with this solution. What many of us have a problem with is that ArmchairVexillologistDon has chosen to research AndyL's personal life and use it to argue his case, and has continued to do so even after the conflict has seemingly been resolved. - SimonP 08:24, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

VfU
See User_talk:ALoan. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 14:59, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Arbcom decision
The arbitration committee has reached a verdict in the matter of Snowspinner vs. Lir. →Raul654 16:39, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

LaRouche
Snowspinner, would you care to comment on the proposal I've made on Talk:Political views of Lyndon LaRouche? In response to a complaint made on that page by Chip Berlet, which I feel has some justification, I have asked Herschelkrustofsky and Weed Harper to agree to stop editing Chip Berlet, Dennis King, Political Research Associates, John Train Salon, and also to stop editing the references to Berlet in Political views of Lyndon LaRouche. I've also asked Chip if he will agree to stop editing these pages if the others stop. If both sides can agree on that, I was wondering if you would help me get them into NPOV shape. I know it's a lot of work, but I feel the Chip Berlet page, in particular, is a bit of a POV mess, and as he argues, it may be causing him to lose freelance work, so I feel it's unfair to allow it to exist.

I have myself no POV on Berlet and know very little about him, so I feel able to edit the page free of pre-conceived ideas. However, I know the LaRouche editors would feel easier if they knew you were involved, as I have previously clashed with them over Jeremiah Duggan, Frederick Wills and Schiller Institute. I also thought I'd ask Willmcw, as he has been editing and commenting on a few LaRouche pages recently.

My proposal is to start with the Chip Berlet page by editing it down to its barest bones, then rebuilding it using only third-party sources. Let me know what you think. Best, Slim 06:13, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)

NetBot
You previously expressed interest in Netoholic's use of NetBot at Wikipedia talk:Bots. The issue has been re-opened, and I would really appreciate it if you could take a look at the page again. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News  03:48, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * " Support with understanding that, should Netbot do anything it is not supposed to, it will be banned without objection. Snowspinner 19:38, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)"

 * I can't dispute a temporary block if something like that happens, blocking policy says 24 hours to essentially get the attention of the bot-owner, but I'm not going to stipulate it be indefinitely banned. If the bot is doing something it is not supposed to do, that is the owner's fault, and has to be taken up with me directly.
 * I will stipulate that if there are unresolved objections, I won't run the bot doing the same task and will revert any of the changes. I have no objection to your intent, and understand it, but this particular stipulation is not necessary.  Every bot owner is held to the same standards in that regard, so putting a specific condition on my bot is redundant.
 * What I'm afraid of is that someone thinks they see it doing something it shouldn't and bans it. If I can't object, I can't point to a bot request or other discussion.  -- Netoholic @ 20:07, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)

Thanks, I was hoping you'd meant blocked. -- Netoholic @ 04:33, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)

Don't be a dick
LOL! RickK 22:29, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * Come along now, this kinda stuff does no good to anyone. If you don't give your consent to make it a speedy, I'm gonna VFD it. Yes, yes, I know it was a joke, I know I'm a miserly guy with no sense of humor, but this kind of stuff simply fuels the fires of trolls. ugen 64 23:18, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * See current rewrite. Really, every rule of Internet social spaces is a special case of "Don't be a dick." - David Gerard 00:38, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * C'mon, ugen, it's in the Wikipedia space. It's fine.  RickK 05:33, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

Damn straight. -- Cyrius|✎ 03:20, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

LaRouche arbitration
You recently requested aribitration in the LaRouche series, which as been granted and temproary injunction has been put in place. Will you be acting as the proponent for settling the arbitration? Who will be making the case and moving this forward? Cheers, -Willmcw 05:52, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Sisterproject
On WP:TFD, you voted for keeping Template:Sisterproject. However, another vote is needed to ensure it is used. Please state your opinion at the above link. — Itai (f&t) 15:05, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Lir
You only blocked him till later today? RickK 22:26, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, missed the year part. Good on ya. RickK 22:33, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

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Sarah Balabagan

Sarah Balabagan-Sereno  (born March 8, 1979) is a Filipino woman who was imprisoned in the United Arab Emirates from 1994 to 1996 for murder. She was initially sentenced to death, but was later returned to the Philippines. Her story was made into a film in 1997.

Early life
Balabagan grew up in a poor Muslim family in Sultan Kudarat, Maguindanao in the Philippines. She had 13 brothers and sisters but only six survived. Her siblings died due to disease and because of her family's financial constraints, which prevented them from availing adequate medical care. She worked for relatives at a young age to support her studies. She only managed to reach the fifth grade. She has implied that she was abused by an uncle as a child.

Employment
At age 14, Balabagan decided to work abroad. Her recruiter listed her age as 28 and managed to secure a job for her. She learnt of this falsification only when she was already on her flight to the United Arab Emirates. She was tasked by contract to work for a 67-year-old widower with four sons. Balabagan was anxious of the employment and convinced herself that her employers would respect her since she and they were Muslims.

This was later proven to be false, as Balabagan became a subject of unsolicited sexual advances.

Case
On July 19, 1994, Balabagan killed her employer, Almas Mohammed al-Baloushi, stabbing him 34 times. She alleged that he had tried to rape her, and that she was acting in self-defense.

On June 26, 1995, a court ruled that she was guilty of manslaughter as well as a victim of rape. She was sentenced to seven years imprisonment and ordered to pay 150,000 dirhams (US$40,000) in blood money to al-Baloushi's relatives, while at the same time awarded 100,000 dirhams (US$27,000) as compensation for the rape. However, the prosecution appealed the verdict, calling for the death penalty. On September 6, 1995, a second Islamic court found no evidence of rape and convicted her of premeditated murder, sentencing her to death by firing squad. There was an international outcry and a defense campaign in several countries, as her case was seen as symbolising the ill-treatment of domestic servants in Arab states of the Persian Gulf, and just a few months earlier there had been the rather similar case of Flor Contemplación, a Filipina domestic worker who was hanged in Singapore that March.

Reportedly, it was only after a personal appeal for mercy by President of the United Arab Emirates Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan that al-Baloushi's family agreed to drop their execution demand in exchange for blood money. On October 30, at her third trial, her sentence was reduced to a year's imprisonment and 100 strokes of the cane, along with payment of blood money, which was donated by a Filipino businessman. She was caned in 20 strokes at a time over five days spanning January 30 – February 5, 1996. Philippine Ambassador Roy Señeres said "Balabagan said it was bearable. Embassy officials visited her twice afterward, and there were no marks or bruises or reddening." However, she later said that her injuries were more serious than she said at the time. She returned to the Philippines on August 1, 1996, to a hero's welcome.

Later life
Shortly after her release, Balabagan embarked on a career as a singer, appearing on a television program with Geri Halliwell. In 1998, she became a single parent after a brief relationship. In August 2003, she married Russell Vergara. She went on to have two more children. She later converted from Islam to Christianity after being introduced to a pastor by a Christian singer, Dulce Amor. She and Vergara divorced in 2010.

In 2013, she married Jun Sereno, and they have a child. As of 2018, she lives in Las Vegas with her husband and five children.

In August 2020, Balabagan confirmed that the father of her first-born child is the journalist Arnold Clavio, who exclusively covered her murder case, and revealed that their relationship happened when she was 17 years old. She explained that her revelation was not out of vengeance, but to merely put an end to rumors. She also added that she apologized to "everyone she hurt", including her family and the family of Clavio, and that Clavio's wife has expressed forgiveness, via a messaging app.

In film
Balabagan's story was dramatised in the 1997 Philippine film The Sarah Balabagan Story. Directed by Joel Lamangan the Filipino language film starred Vina Morales in the title role which was initially offered to Balabagan herself but had declined. The government of the Philippines made several attempts to prevent the film from being shown lest it damage bilateral relations with the United Arab Emirates, and its release was delayed for several months.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obaid

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Obaid
It is in the Urban Dictionary, but I can't find any other evidence of notability, and... well, Wikipedia is not the Urban Dictionary. Philthecow 22:03, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Mikkalai 22:55, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, slang dictionary definition. Megan1967 00:09, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonsense until someone puts the term in a cell phone ad or whatever. Wyss 00:51, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedical. Oleg Alexandrov 00:46, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pandora Spocks

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Pandora Spocks
"Pandora Spocks" + "Forty Winks" (the comic she appears in) = 25 Google hits. —tregoweth 22:04, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, she's the heroine of the comic. Merge with Forty Winks if such an article is created. Kappa 22:10, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup and expand. Megan1967 00:07, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it. Wyss 00:50, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keepthe series has been praised repeatedly by pros in children lit. --AlainV 05:11, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Pinkgothic

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia, ! I hope you like the place and decide to keep contributing. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
 * How to edit a page
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 * How to write a great article
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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question at the village pump or feel free to ask me on my Talk page. One more quick tip: to sign your name on a Talk page like I did below, the easiest way is just to type four tildes (~~~~). To customize your signature, look here. And remember:Be Bold!
 * — Asbestos | Talk 22:05, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the welcome. :) pinkgothic 17:04, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

#440
You calling me #1 super fan makes it sound so serious. I don't endorse that. ;) — Fisonic 18:47, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, now you've like, totally invalidated my User:Pinkgothic page. Dayum. =) pinkgothic 18:48, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Computus
I saw your comments on Talk:Computus. You are welcome to look at my Excel spread sheet which computes Easter, and which uses some Visual Basic for Applications functions to do so. I think the comments in the functions are not too bad. It can be found at

Don't delay too much, Adelphia has been bought by Comcast and I expect my home page address to change in about 6 weeks.

--Gerry Ashton 23:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Fictional dinosaurs
Hey Neike!

First off, thanks for your note on the talk page at WP:DINO. We avoid Category:Fictional dinosaurs like the plague, as it quickly accumulates cruft and garbage; anyone who has ever invented a giant mutant or lizard-like alien must think they've created a dinosaur. Ack! Thanks for bringing it to the group's attention. Also, it was really nice to recognize a Smarcher name! Firsfron of Ronchester 01:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I was actually reading in disbelief when you were writing about all the kangaroos and rhinos and other crap included in that category. Thanks for helping to clean up a lot of crap. It's greatly appreciated. Glomp away! :) Here's some pineapple and rhubarb for you. :) You do know Smarch is closing after six years, right? Probably in the next few days or so? Head over there now to get a few posts in before it's Too Late. Firsfron of Ronchester  14:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, e-mail sent! I removed your addy, too, of course. Firsfron of Ronchester  14:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey
Just checking in. How are things going in your neck of the woods, PG? Firsfron of Ronchester 15:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey!
 * Dying laptops suck. Well, dying computers in general. I got a shiny new laptop a few months ago, but I can attest to the all-round suckiness of dying computers: my last compy was a desktop with just barely enough RAM to run XP. Every month or so, it would crash badly. Here's hoping your new laptop is awesome and lasts a long time! :) Also, did you ever hear back from "Dulcie"? Considering your old username, maybe she's avoiding you. ;) Firsfron of Ronchester  19:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Revision to Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri articles
I noticed that you have revised either Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri or Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire.

I intend to revise those articles following the WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines. There are more details on the discussion pages of those articles. I'd be interested in any comments you have. It would be best if your comments were on the discussion pages of the two articles.

Thank you.

Vyeh (talk) 11:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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Basilica Julia

The Basilica Julia (Basilica Giulia) was a structure that once stood in the Roman Forum. It was a large, ornate, public building used for meetings and other official business during the Roman Empire. Its ruins have been excavated. What is left from its classical period are mostly foundations, floors, a small back corner wall with a few arches that are part of both the original building and later imperial reconstructions and a single column from its first building phase.

The Basilica Julia was built on the site of the earlier Basilica Sempronia (170 BC) along the south side of the Forum, opposite the Basilica Aemilia. It was initially dedicated in 46 BC by Julius Caesar, with building costs paid from the spoils of the Gallic War, and was completed by Augustus, who named the building after his adoptive father. The ruins which have been excavated date to a reconstruction of the Basilica by the Emperor Diocletian, after a fire in 283 AD destroyed the earlier structure.

Ancient Rome
The first iteration of the Basilica Julia was begun around 54 BC by Julius Caesar, though it was left to his heir Augustus to complete the construction and name it in honor of his adoptive father. The basilica was built over the remains of two important Republican structures: the Basilica Sempronia, which was demolished by Caesar to make way for the new basilica, and pre-dating both, the house of Scipio Africanus, Rome's legendary general. The Basilica Sempronia was built in 169 BC by Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus and required the demolition of the house of Africanus and a number of shops to make room.

The first Basilica Julia burned in 9 AD, shortly after completion, but it was reconstructed, enlarged, and rededicated to Augustus' adoptive sons Gaius and Lucius in 12 AD. The Basilica was restored after a fire in 199 AD by Septimius Severus, and later reconstructed by the Emperor Diocletian after another fire in 283 AD.

The Basilica is bordered on its short sides by two important ancient roads which led from the Tiber to the Forum: the Vicus Jugarius to the west, and the Vicus Tuscus to the east. The ground floor was divided into five east–west aisles inside, with the central aisle forming a large hall that measured 82x18 meters, sheltered by a three-story high roof. The adjoining aisles to the north and south of the central hall were divided by marble-faced brick columns which supported concrete arcades; the columns in turn supported the upper level of the basilica, which was used as a public gallery. The floor of the central hall was paved in colorful polychrome marble slabs, contrasting with the plain white marble of the adjoining aisles. The Basilica's façade as it appeared after the Augustan restoration was two stories high and arcaded, with engaged Carrara marble columns decorating the piers between the arches on both levels.

The Basilica housed the civil law courts and tabernae (shops), and provided space for government offices and banking. In the 1st century, it also was used for sessions of the Centumviri (Court of the Hundred), who presided over matters of inheritance. In his Epistles, Pliny the Younger describes the scene as he pleaded for a senatorial lady whose 80-year-old father had disinherited her ten days after taking a new wife. Suetonius states that Caligula greatly enjoyed showering the crowd in the forum below with money while standing on the roof of the Basilica Julia.

It was the favorite meeting place of the Roman people. This basilica housed public meeting places and shops, but it was mainly used as a law court. On the pavement of the portico, there are diagrams of games scratched into the white marble. One stone, on the upper tier of the side facing the Curia, is marked with an eight by eight square grid on which games similar to chess or checkers could have been played. The last recorded restoration of the Basilica Julia was undertaken by the Urban Prefect Gabinius Vettius Probianus in 416 AD, who also relocated several Greek statues by the sculptors Polykleitos and Timarchus for display near the center of the façade. The inscribed bases of these statues recording the restoration still survive.

Late antiquity and medieval era
The Basilica Julia was partially destroyed in 410 AD when the Visigoths sacked Rome and the site slowly fell into ruin over the centuries. The marble was especially valuable in the medieval and early modern eras for burning into lime, a material used to make mortar. The remnants of kilns on the site, which were found in early excavations, confirmed that most of the building's components were destroyed in this way.

Part of the remains of the basilica were converted into a church, generally identified as that of Santa Maria de Cannapara which is mentioned in catalogues from the 12th through the 15th centuries. Other parts of the basilica were sectioned off in the medieval period for the use of different trades. The marble workers, or marmorarii, took up most of the remaining space not occupied by the church in the 11th century for re-fashioning and selling marble architectural ornaments; the eastern aisle was occupied by the rope-makers and was called the Cannaparia as a result. In the 16th century, the long-buried site of the Basilica was used as a burial ground for patients of the adjacent Ospedale della Consolazione.

The building consists now only of a rectangular area, levelled off and raised about one metre above ground level, with jumbled blocks of stone lying within its area. A row of marble steps runs full length along the side of the basilica facing the Via Sacra, and there is also access from a taller flight of steps (the ground being lower here) at the end of the basilica facing the Temple of Castor and Pollux.

Archaeology and excavation
The earliest excavations of the Basilica Julia in the late 15th and 16th centuries were destructive, their main purpose being to recover valuable travertine and marble for re-use. In 1496, travertine was mined from the ruins to build the façade of the Palazzo Torlonia, the Roman palace of Cardinal Adriano Castellesi. There were also excavations in 1500, 1511–12, and 1514, as well as a destructive excavation in 1742 which uncovered the portion of the Cloaca Maxima which runs underneath the basilica. In the process the Giallo antico yellow marble which covered the floor was stripped and sold to a stone-cutter.

The Chevalier Frédenheim also undertook excavations between November, 1788 and March, 1789; Frédenheim dismantled much of the remaining colored marble pavement and removed many architectural fragments. The site was excavated by Pietro Rosa in 1850 who reconstructed a single marble column and travertine supports. In 1852 segments of concrete vaulting with stuccowork coffering was unearthed but later destroyed in 1872.

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James Somerville

Admiral of the Fleet Sir James Fownes Somerville, (17 July 1882 – 19 March 1949) was a Royal Navy officer. He served in the First World War as fleet wireless officer for the Mediterranean Fleet where he was involved in providing naval support for the Gallipoli Campaign. He also served in the Second World War as commander of the newly formed Force H: after the French armistice with Germany, Winston Churchill gave Somerville and Force H the task of neutralizing the main element of the French battle fleet, then at Mers El Kébir in Algeria. After he had destroyed the French Battle fleet, Somerville played an important role in the pursuit and sinking of the GERMAN BATTLESHIP Bismarck.

Somerville later became Commander-in-Chief, Eastern Fleet. In April 1942 Admiral Chūichi Nagumo's powerful Indian Ocean raid inflicted heavy losses on his fleet. However, in spring 1944, with reinforcements, Somerville was able to go on the offensive in a series of aggressive air strikes in the Japanese-occupied Dutch East Indies. He spent the remainder of the war in charge of the British naval delegation in Washington, D.C.

Early life and family
Somerville was born on 17 July 1882, the second son of Arthur Fownes Somerville, of Dinder House, Somerset, and his wife Ellen Somerville (née Sharland, daughter of William Stanley Sharland of New Norfolk, Tasmania). His father had studied at Trinity Hall, Cambridge, was called to the bar as a barrister in 1875 and had then become a Recorder of Wells, Somerset in 1916 and had served as President of the Somerset Archaeological Society. Somerville was descended in the male-line from the Fownes family of Nethway and Kittery Court, his ancestors being John Fownes the younger and John Fownes the elder were Members of Parliament for Dartmouth in the early eighteenth century and another ancestor went on to marry an heiress of the Somerville family of Dinder House, changing their surname to Somerville in 1831 in honour of this connection. Through his paternal grandmother, he was descended from the Hood family, which had a long tradition of naval service and which counted as members Vice Admiral Sir Samuel Hood, 1st Baronet, and Admiral Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount Hood.

In 1913, Somerville married Mary Main; they had a daughter and a son. His son Lieutenant-Commander John Arthur Fownes Somerville, CB, CBE served in the Royal Navy and became the deputy director of GCHQ. The news reader Julia Somerville is one of their granddaughters.

Early career
Somerville joined the training ship HMS Britannia as a cadet on 15 January 1897 and served as midshipman in the cruiser HMS Royal Arthur (1891) in the Channel Fleet and then in the cruiser HMS Warspite (1884) on the Pacific Station. He was promoted to sub-lieutenant on 15 December 1901 and to lieutenant on 15 March 1904 before joining the armoured cruiser HMS Sutlej (1899) on the China Station. He attended the torpedo school HMS Vernon (shore establishment) in 1907 and then remained there to work on the development of wireless telegraphy.

Somerville served in the Royal Navy in the First World War, initially as a wireless officer in the battleship HMS Marlborough (1912) in the Grand Fleet and then as fleet wireless officer for the Mediterranean Fleet serving in the battleship HMS Queen Elizabeth (1913), then the battlecruiser HMS Inflexible (1907) and then the cruiser HMS Chatham (1911). In HMS Chatham he was involved in providing naval support for the Gallipoli Campaign. He was promoted to commander on 31 December 1915, and awarded the Distinguished Service Order and Mentioned in Despatches on 14 March 1916. He transferred to the battleship HMS King George V (1911) in the Grand Fleet in January 1917 and then joined the signals school at Portsmouth at the end of the year.

Somerville stayed in the service after the war, becoming Executive Officer in the battleship HMS Ajax (1912) in the Mediterranean Fleet in March 1920 and then Executive Officer in the battleship HMS Emperor of India also in the Mediterranean Fleet. Promoted to captain on 31 December 1921, he joined the Admiralty as Deputy Director of Signals in early 1922, before becoming Flag Captain to Sir John Kelly, commanding the 4th Battle Squadron, in the battleship HMS Benbow (1913) in August 1922. He returned to the Admiralty as Director of Signals in February 1925 before becoming Flag Captain to Sir John Kelly in his new role as Commander of the 1st Battle Squadron in early 1927, first in the battleship HMS Warspite (03) and then, after the Warspite struck a rock, in the battleship HMS Barham (04). He joined the directing staff at the Imperial Defence College in 1929 and became commanding officer of the cruiser HMS Norfolk (78) in the Home Fleet in December 1931. Promoted to commodore on 14 October 1932, he became commander of the Royal Navy Barracks at Portsmouth later that month and then, after promotion to rear admiral on 12 October 1933, he became Director of Personnel Services at the Admiralty in May 1934. As Director of Personnel Services he introduced a seaman's welfare scheme following the Invergordon Mutiny. He was appointed a Companion of the Order of the Bath on 1 January 1935.

Somerville became Flag Officer Destroyers in the Mediterranean Fleet in March 1936 and during the Spanish Civil War commanded an international force in the area of Majorca when Palma was threatened with bombardment by Republican forces. Promoted to vice admiral on 11 September 1937, he became Commander-in-Chief, East Indies, with his flag in the cruiser HMS Norfolk in July 1938. He retired with suspected tuberculosis in early 1939 but was still advanced to Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath on 8 June 1939.

European operations, 1939–1942
With the approach of the Second World War, Somerville was recalled to duty on special service to the Admiralty later in 1939 and performed important work on naval radar development. In May 1940, Somerville served under Admiral Sir Bertram Ramsay, helping organize the Dunkirk evacuation. His next major assignment was as commander of the newly formed Force H based in Gibraltar, with his flag in the battlecruiser HMS Hood (51). After the French armistice with Germany on 22 June 1940, Winston Churchill gave Somerville and Force H the task of neutralizing the main element of the French battle fleet, then at Mers El Kébir in Algeria. They were to attack and destroy the French ships if all other options failed. Churchill wrote to him:

"You are charged with one of the most disagreeable tasks that a British Admiral has ever been faced with, but we have complete confidence in you and rely on you to carry it out relentlessly."

Although Somerville privately felt that such an attack would be a mistake, he carried out his orders. The French refused to comply with British conditions and so on 3 July 1940, Force H attacked French ships at Mers-el-Kébir. Somerville's forces inflicted severe damage on their erstwhile allies, most notably sinking the battleship FRENCH BATTLESHIP Bretagne with heavy loss of life. Several other major French ships were damaged during the bombardment. The operation was judged a success, but he admitted privately to his wife that he had not been quite as aggressive in the destruction as he could have been. He was Mentioned in Despatches on 16 August 1940.

Somerville transferred his flag to the battlecruiser HMS Renown (1916) in August 1940 and led the British forces in the Battle of Cape Spartivento in November; Churchill was outraged at Somerville for not continuing the pursuit of the Italian Navy after that battle and dispatched the Earl of Cork to conduct an inquiry, but Cork found that Somerville had acted entirely appropriately. Force H bombarded Genoa on 9 February 1941, and Somerville, still in HMS Renown in May 1941, also played an important role in the pursuit and sinking of the GERMAN BATTLESHIP Bismarck later that month. Somerville transferred his flag to the battleship HMS Nelson (28) in August 1941 and also played a major role in protecting Malta from enemy attack in autumn 1941. He transferred his flag to the battleship HMS Rodney (29) and then to the battleship HMS Malaya. He was appointed a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire for his service with Force H on 21 October 1941.

Indian Ocean, 1942–1944
Somerville became Commander-in-Chief, Eastern Fleet with his flag in the battleship HMS Warspite in March 1942 and was promoted to full admiral on 6 April 1942. Following the fall of Singapore, Somerville transferred his fleet headquarters from Trincomalee in Ceylon to Kilindini in Kenya. In April 1942 Admiral Chūichi Nagumo's powerful 1st Air Fleet (Kidō Butai) centered around five fleet carriers launched the Indian Ocean raid that inflicted heavy losses on Somerville's fleet including a light aircraft carrier, two heavy cruisers, two destroyers, one corvette, five other vessels, and 45 aircraft. The damage inflicted upon Royal Navy and allied Commonwealth forces in the Indian Ocean was nonetheless minimized, being forewarned by intelligence so their heavy units sailed from their bases prior to the Japanese air attacks. Somerville avoided a direct confrontation with the Imperial Japanese Navy, preserving the Eastern Fleet's two fleet carriers and one battleship.

For most of the rest of 1942, Somerville's fleet avoided any major operations against the Japanese, barring a brief sortie into the Bay of Bengal in late July and early August 1942 during which he turned back after being spotted by a Japanese flying boat on 2 August 1942. Somerville's unwillingness to risk his ships in a diversionary attack against the Japanese in Southeast Asia during mid- and late 1942, which he saw as necessary to preserve its precariously limited strength and its ability to guard merchant convoys in the Indian Ocean, was met with derision by US Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Ernest J. King, as King believed that the Eastern Fleet doing so would greatly assist the Americans in their own operations against the Japanese as they clashed at the Battles of the Coral Sea and Midway and throughout the Guadalcanal campaign.

In Spring 1944, with reinforcements, Somerville was able to go on the offensive in a series of aggressive air strikes in the Japanese-occupied Dutch East Indies: these included attacks on Sabang in April and May 1944 and on Surabaya in May 1944. He was also advanced to Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath on 22 August 1944.

Later career
Somerville was placed in charge of the British naval delegation in Washington, D.C. in October 1944 where he managed—to the surprise of almost everyone—to get on very well with the notoriously abrasive and anti-British Admiral Ernest King, the United States' Chief of Naval Operations. He became Deputy Lieutenant of Somerset on 8 November 1944, was promoted to Admiral of the Fleet on 8 May 1945 and was advanced to Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire on 1 January 1946. He was also appointed a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Orange-Nassau by the Netherlands government and a Commander of the Legion of Merit by the United States.

Later life
In retirement Somerville became Lord Lieutenant of Somerset in August 1946 and was appointed a Knight of the Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem on 23 December 1946. He lived at the family seat of Dinder House in Somerset where he died of coronary thrombosis on 19 March 1949. His body was buried in the churchyard of St Michael and All Angels Church at Dinder.

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C-Dance

C-Dance is a Belgian radio station broadcasting dance music. It has been operational since 1 March 1996. From 1998 to 2002, C-Dance claimed to have been the most popular dance radio network in Belgium. In more recent years, C-Dance's only remaining frequency was 105.6 FM (Antwerp region). When its FM broadcast license expired in 2017, the station went digital-only.

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OGRE

Object-Oriented Graphics Rendering Engine (OGRE) is a scene-oriented, real-time, open-source, 3D rendering engine.

Ogre has been ported to Windows, macOS, Linux, PocketPC, Xbox, and PS3.

Since 2019, Ogre consists of two forks developed separately, namely Ogre (also called Ogre1), which is based on the original 1.x codebase and Ogre Next (also called Ogre2), which is based on the 2.x development efforts.

Games and applications

 * Earth Eternal
 * Gazebo simulator and Ignition Gazebo
 * Hob
 * Kenshi
 * OpenMW (until v0.37.0)
 * Rebel Galaxy
 * Rebel Galaxy Outlaw
 * Rigs of Rods
 * Roblox (2009 - 2014)
 * Running with Rifles
 * Scrap Mechanic (until 2016)
 * Shadows: Heretic Kingdoms
 * TROUBLESHOOTER: Abandoned Children
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 * Walaber's Trampoline
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Gilgamesh (Brucci opera)

Gilgameš (Serbian Cyrillic: Гилгамеш) is an opera in three acts by Rudolf Brucci. The libretto by Arsenije Arsa Milošević is based on the Mesopotamian Epic of Gilgamesh. It premiered on November 2, 1986 at the Serbian National Theatre in Novi Sad.

Roles

 * Gilgamesh, a Sumerian king – baritone
 * Enkidu, his friend and brother – tenor
 * Priestess at the temple of Ishtar – soprano
 * Rishat, Gilgamesh's mother – mezzo-soprano
 * Ishtar, Sumerian goddess of love and fertility – mezzo-soprano
 * Siduri Sabitu, guardian of entrance to the Garden of Gods – soprano
 * Aruru, Sumerian goddess of creation – soprano
 * Utnapishtim, Gilgamesh's ancestor – bass
 * Utnapishtim's wife – mezzo-soprano
 * Hunter / Ur-Shanabi / Utnapishtim's Sailor – tenor
 * First priest – tenor
 * Second priest – bass
 * Anu, sky god / Ea, god of water and wisdom / Shamash, Sun god – bass
 * Scorpion Man – male voice (speaking role)
 * Scorpion Woman – female voice (speaking role)
 * Humbaba, a demon – robot
 * Snake – dancer
 * People of Uruk, Soldiers, Guard, Priests, Priestesses, virgins in service of Ishtar, dancers

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More Info About the Show Itself
Article talks alot about production and circumstance surrounding show, but little about the show itself. Please include the overall setting, and supposed location (for example: Sherman Oaks?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.60.72.170 (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Jennifer Tilly was on the show - should be referenced — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lccasey67 (talk • contribs) 01:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Which network?
I've never subscribed to Showtime in my life, but I know I was watching a Garry Shandling sitcom in the late 1980s on FOX. It was in the same block with Tracey Ullman's show. I don't have a good source to cite to back me up or I'd edit the article immediately. -- Ventura 22:09, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)

The show was produced for Showtime, picked up on Fox a year or two behind its run on Showtime. In other words, Fox showed reruns from Showtime. -- P.S. - best TV comedy ever

Why was this page deleted?
See question above. Lambertman 20:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Content
The link to "Bill Lynch" is wrong -- that is, it's a different Lynch. Here's more info on the correct one: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/may/04/midwest_icon_bill_lynch_discovers_how_live_music/ Shavenwarthog 07:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series
I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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Club Deportivo Universidad Católica

Club Deportivo Universidad Católica, known as Universidad Católica, is a professional football club based in Santiago, Chile. Founded in 1937 they play in the Primera División, the top flight of Chilean football. The team has played its home games at Estadio San Carlos de Apoquindo since 1988.

Universidad Católica has won the third most league championships at a national level. In domestic football, the club has won 28 trophies; a record 16 Primera División de Chile titles, 2 Segunda División de Chile, 4 Copa Chile, 4 Supercopa de Chile, a Copa Apertura, a Copa República. In international competitions, Universidad Católica have won 1 trophies; Copa Interamericana (1994).

In 1993, Universidad Católica was the runner-up in the most important international tournament in South America: the Copa Libertadores de América, losing in the finals against the defending Libertadores' Champion São Paulo. Universidad Católica has reached the semi-finals in the Copa Libertadores four times (years 1962, 1966, 1969 and 1984).

The club's most successful player is José Pedro Fuenzalida with eleven titles, and the player with most appearances is Mario Lepe with 639 games. Its traditional rival is Universidad de Chile, they contest the Clásico Universitario.

Founding and beginnings in professional football
While the club was born as one of the many sport branches of the Universidad Católica de Chile, officially founded in 1937, it began, strictly speaking, around 1910, when students of the university would reunite to play football matches, frequently facing historical rival Universidad de Chile. In time, the idea of creating a professional club emerged, and on 21 April 1937, the club officially and legally began. It made its professional debut, in the second division, against the Universidad de Chile. Universidad Católica won its first League title in the 1949 season.

In December 1956, Universidad Católica was placed at the bottom of the league table and relegated to Segunda División for the first time in its history. On 10 November 1956, Universidad Católica won the Segunda División title after defeating Deportes La Serena by 3–2 and gained promotion straight back up to the top division, with captain Sergio Livingstone and Raimundo Infante claiming the top scorer award. In the 1970s, Universidad Católica was facing an institutional, the team ended the 1973 Primera División tournament at the bottom of the table, Universidad Católica was relegated to Segunda División for the second time in its history. In 1975, Universidad Católica won the title and therefore returned to Primera División to play the 1976 season.

In 1993, Universidad Católica reached their first ever Copa Libertadores final. The team had previously eliminated clubs Atlético Nacional (2–0, 1–2 in round of 16), Barcelona (3–1, 1–1 in  quarterfinals) and América de Cali (1-0, 2–2 in semifinals). In the finals, between the two legs after a heavy defeat away la Catolica won the second leg but lost São Paulo the title on aggregate 5–3. With Manuel Pellegrini as manager, on 1 November 1994, after beating Saprissa 5–1 at San Carlos de Apoquindo with goals by Andrés Romero, Alberto Acosta, Juvenal Olmos, Miguel Ardiman and Rodrigo Barrera, Universidad Católica became the second Chilean team to win a Copa Interamericana, they also achieved the 1995 Copa Chile title.

In 1997 the club celebrated its 60th anniversary with a friendly tournament where they beat Ajax Amsterdam 3–2 in the Copa 60º Aniversario de Universidad Católica.

In the 21st century
Universidad Católica won the title 2002 Primera División (Apertura) after beating Rangers de Talca 4–0 in final at San Carlos de Apoquindo, with Juvenal Olmos as manager. In 2005 the club has been reemerged in international competition, advancing to the 2005 Copa Sudamericana semifinal before being knocked out by the powerful Boca Juniors from Argentina, who would go on to win the tournament. On 22 December, Universidad Católica won their nine Chilean Primera División (Clausura) title, after beating Universidad de Chile's in a penalty shootout at Estadio Nacional. In 2006 the team made a good presentation in the Copa Libertadores, but was eliminated at the last minute by Tigres UANL of Mexico and failed to advance beyond the group stage.

Católica again played 2008 Copa Libertadores with no luck, being eliminated in the group stage by goal difference by River Plate and América. In 2010 Copa Libertadores, their performance was no better, finishing third in group stage behind Universidad de Chile and Flamengo. In the 2010 season a 3–2 defeat to Colo Colo in October gave Colo Colo a seven-point lead in the league with seven match of the season remaining. A victory over Cobreloa 3–2 at Estadio Municipal de Calama, put them one point away from their first title since 2005. In the last match, Universidad Católica defeated Everton 5–0 to secure the club's ten Chilean Primera Division title and end a five-year trophy drought.

In the 2011 season they finished in second place in Chilean Primera División. They also reached the 2011 Copa Chile final where they faced Deportes Magallanes. Universidad Católica won 4–2 in a penalty shoot-out after the match finished 1–1. In 2011 Copa Libertadores, Católica finished first on the group stage, and then advanced to the quarter-finals, knocking out Grêmio of Brazil on the best 16 round, and falling to Peñarol of Uruguay 2–0 in Montevideo and winning their home match 2–1, which was not enough to advance. In 2012 the club again played Copa Libertadores, under coach and former player Mario Lepe, finished last on the group stage, winning only 1 home game and losing on their away games in Colombia and Bolivia. In Copa Sudamericana 2012, Universidad Católica advancing to the semifinal before being knocked out by the powerful São Paulo from Brazil, who would go on to win the tournament.

On April 30, 2016, Universidad Católica won the Primera Division Clausura title in 2016 for the first time in six years. Universidad Católica won the title on the last matchday after beating Audax Italiano 2–1. On 15 September 2016, the club won the Supercopa de Chile for a first time defeating Universidad de Chile 2–1 in the final. After, Universidad Católica won the Primera Division Apertura, the title was won on 8 December, where Universidad Católica faced Deportes Temuco at Germán Becker. Two goals in the last half-hour secured Universidad Católica a 2–0, with Mario Salas leading the team towards its first Bicampeonato for winning two national titles in a row.

Four consecutive Chilean Primera División
With Beñat San José as manager, Universidad Católica won the title 2018 on the last matchday after beating Deportes Temuco 2–1. In 2019, with Gustavo Quinteros Universidad Católica won their 2th Supercopa de Chile and won a second consecutive Primera División title. Due to the 2019 Chilean protests, the competition was suspended since mid-October with six matchdays still left. On 29 November 2019, ANFP's Council of Presidents voted to conclude the season. The title was the 14th official league in the club's history. In the 2010s, Universidad Católica won five league championships, a Copa Chile and two Chilean Supercups.

On 14 February 2020, with Ariel Holan Universidad Católica secured their third consecutive Primera División title, they also achieved the semi-finals of Copa Chile. Days after winning the title, Holan announced his resignation as Universidad Católica and in March, Gustavo Poyet was appointed coach, signing a two-year contract, and Universidad Católica won their 3rd Supercopa de Chile. In 2021 Copa Libertadores, Católica finished second on the group stage, and then advanced to the round of 16, before being knocked out by the Palmeiras from Brazil, who would go on to win the tournament. On 30 August 2021, Gustavo Poyet was sacked from his managerial position, one day after Cristian Paulucci was announced as the new coach. On 20 January 2021, Universidad Católica won their four Supercopa de Chile title, after beating Ñublense's in a penalty shootout. On 4 December 2021, Universidad Católica were confirmed 2021 Primera División champions, reaching four consecutive league titles.

Crests and colours
Its official fight song is the Hymn of the Sports Club of the Catholic University, based on the song Tramp! Tramp! Tramp!.

Crests
The first crest had a design consisting of an interlacing of two initials of the club, "UC", in dark blue on a white shirt.

Grounds
Universidad Católica has owned four stadiums: Estadio Universidad Católica, located in the Maestranza and Marcoleta sector; Campos de Sports de Ñuñoa, which already had an extensive history in Chilean sports; Independencia, located in the homonymous commune of Santiago and inaugurated on October 12, 1945; and San Carlos de Apoquindo.

After moving between grounds, the team moved to the Independencia Stadium in 1945, which remained its home ground for 26 years and which was demolished because of the financial problems of the club, and started to play at Unión Española Stadium, the Santa Laura. After that, Universidad Católica moved its home matches to San Carlos de Apoquindo, which was inaugurated on 4 September 1988 with a match against River Plate.

The Universidad Católica has attained fame as a favorite of the higher classes, because of many factors, which range from the location of the club's stadium, San Carlos de Apoquindo (in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods of the capital) and Headquarters, although there are "UC" fans all around the country, including popular regions or towns.

Due to the neighborhood's strong influence (wealthy families), the club has been unable to be approved for projects to enlarge the stadium and thus draw larger crowds. Only until in recent years the club was allowed by the commune of Las Condes, to host their clasicos matches against Universidad de Chile and Colo-Colo in their own stadium. Although just a limited number of its rivals' supporters are allowed to be present at these matches due to security reasons inside the stadium and around its high-end neighborhood.

Records and statistics
Mario Lepe holds the record for most Universidad Católica appearances, having played 639 first-team matches (76 matches for Copa Libertadores de América) from 1982 to 2000. Andrés Romero comes second with 484 appearances. José María Buljubasich is Universidad Católica's all-least beaten goalkeeper, with 1352 minutes (4th on IFFHS ranking).

Universidad Católica's all-time highest goalscorer in official competitions is Rodrigo Barrera with 118 goals, surpassing Raimundo Infante's 113 goals in 2002. Four other players have also scored over 100 goals for Universidad Católica: Alberto Fouillioux (1957-1975), Néstor Isella (1963-1970), Osvaldo Hurtado (1980-1988t) and the previous goalscoring record-holder Raimundo Infante (1941-1956). Infante being Universidad Católica's top goalscorer of all time in La Liga history with 103 goals.

The IFFHS ranked the team in 8th place in 2012. The club has reached notoriety, both in a national and South American level, as the owner of one of the best infrastructures and training centers in the continent. As such, it is a good source of young talents, which occasionally rise to stardom in the club. Its most recent youth academy produced player known worldwide is Gary Medel, currently playing for Italian side Bologna FC, among other clubs such as Boca Juniors, Sevilla and Internazionale, as well as playing a big role in Chile's 2010 and 2014 World Cup squads.

Officially, the highest attendance figure for a Universidad Católica match is 77,890, which was for a Primera División match at Estadio Nacional on 11 January 1967. Universad Católica has also set records in Chilean football, most notably the most seasons won in a row  (four, during 2018–2021).

Support and rivalries
Universidad Católica is the third club with the largest following in Chile, with approximately 13% of the total Chilean football fans according to research published in 2006 by Fundación Futuro, according by Spanish newspaper agency Marca in 2012 have approximately 9% and according by Adimark in 2018, have a 7% of the total Chilean football fans.

Clásico Universitario
There is often a rivalry between the two clubs from academic roots, where the game between Universidad Católica and Universidad de Chile is known as "Clásico Universitario". It is the oldest confrontation between two clubs from academic roots, as the first confrontation goes back to the University Classic of 1909. Rivalry, both in sports and in academic issues, made these matches between the universities become more and more important, eventually reaching the national status of "Universities' Derby".

This clásico has been recognized by FIFA as the most traditional of Chile. They met for the first time on 13 June 1937 in matchday three of the first Serie B at the Estadio Militar. These two teams have played twenty championship definitions against each other, Universidad Católica has won fourteen and Universidad de Chile six.

Honours

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Players
The Chilean Football Federation rules allow a maximum of seven foreign players per team, but only five can be on the pitch at any one time. Currently, Católica has six foreign players.

Club captains
Since the establishment of the club in 1937, 19 players have been club captain of Universidad Católica.

Current technical staff

 * Last updated: 14 April 2024
 * Source:

Management

 * Last updated: 26 December 2021
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Sanuke okumatzu
Not notable, a character of an unnamed in the works manga. Thue | talk 22:13, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * comment: if it is in the works, its possible this may become notable--AznEffects HuangDi 1968 23:25, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)

 * Delete. Mikkalai 22:56, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's like I wrote an article about my amateur-comic called The Jean Genie & Blue Jean (yes, names based on both David Bowie's songs!) --Neigel von Teighen 23:27, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article does not establish notability. Megan1967 23:45, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, cruft. Wyss 00:49, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Three Bishoprics

The Three Bishoprics (les Trois-Évêchés ) constituted a government of the Kingdom of France consisting of the dioceses of Metz, Verdun, and Toul within the Lorraine region. The three dioceses had been Prince-bishoprics of the Holy Roman Empire until they were seized by King Henry II of France between April and June 1552. At the end of the Thirty Years' War, they were officially ceded to France by the 1648 Peace of Westphalia.

History
In the course of the rebellion against the Habsburg emperor Charles V, several Protestant Imperial princes met at Lochau Castle near Torgau in May 1551. Here the receiving Wettin elector Maurice of Saxony forged an alliance with Duke John Albert I of Mecklenburg, Prince William IV of Hesse, whose father Landgrave Philip I was jailed by the emperor, the Hohenzollern margrave Albert Alcibiades of Brandenburg-Kulmbach and his cousin Duke Albert of Prussia.

Dissatisfied with the Interim decreed by Charles V at the 1548 Diet of Augsburg, the insurgents were full of resolution to defend Protestantism and–not least–their autonomy against the Imperial central authority. They agreed to establish contacts with the Catholic French king Henry II, disregarding his oppression of the Protestant Huguenots. In autumn Henry declared war against Charles V and prepared to march against the Empire up to the Rhine River. On 15 January 1552, he signed the Treaty of Chambord with Maurice of Saxony and his Protestant allies, whereby the French conquests were legitimised ahead of time. The princes acknowledged the king's lordship as "Vicar of the Empire" over the Imperial cities of Metz, Toul and Verdun, as well as Cambrai "and other towns of the Empire that do not speak German". The insurgents in turn received subsidies and military assistance from the French, their troops moved into the Habsburg hereditary lands and laid siege to the emperor at Innsbruck, while his brother Ferdinand I entered into negotiations that led to the revocation of the Augsburg Interim by the 1552 Peace of Passau.

Backed by Duke Francis of Guise and his brother Cardinal Charles of Lorraine, King Henry II of France upon his agreement with the Protestant princes had started his Voyage d’Allemagne "for the sake of German liberties". On Palm Sunday 1552 French troops under the command of Anne de Montmorency in a surprise attack moved into the walls of Metz, followed by the occupation of Toul on 13 April. Henry then turned against the Lorraine capital Nancy, where he had the minor duke Charles III abducted to the French court in Paris. On 18 April the king celebrated his entry into Metz and, after a failed attack on the Imperial City of Strasbourg, returned from the Rhine to move into Verdun on 12 June. At that time, the French had occupied the three Imperial cities as well as the territory of the surrounding Prince-bishoprics.

From the emperor's perspective, Elector Maurice and his allies had no right to legally dispose of Imperial territory, Charles V started a campaign against the French in order to reconquer the occupied dioceses culminating in the Siege of Metz from 19 October 1552 to 2 January 1553. The expedition ultimately failed, when the Imperial troops were defeated by the French forces under Duke Francis of Guise in the 1554 Battle of Renty. When the emperor, worn out and exhausted, abdicated in 1556, his successor Ferdinand I discontinued all attempts to regain the Three Bishoprics. King Henry II left a permanent garrison in each of the cities and gradually subjected their citizens to his royal authority. The townsmen of Metz filed several petitions to the Imperial Diet for redress, but the retrieval of the lost Three Bishoprics was no longer a main concern of the Empire during the ongoing confessionalization. Initiated by Cardinal Richelieu, the Trois-Évêchés received a certain autonomy with a provincial parlement installed in 1633 in Metz, dominated by the city's patriciate. Civil commotions decreased as the cities prospered under French rule, though the implementation of the gabelle of salt sparked some unrest in Metz. When King Louis XIV acceded to the throne in 1643, he confirmed the privileges of the Metz, Toul and Verdun citizens as his "good and faithful subjects".

The acquisition of the Three Bishoprics was finally recognized by the Holy Roman Empire in the 1648 Peace of Westphalia. The province's territory was further enlarged by parts of the Duchy of Luxembourg around Thionville (Diedenhofen), ceded to France according to the 1659 Treaty of the Pyrenees, as well as by several Lorraine villages annexed in 1661.

The Diocese of Saint-Dié, created in 1777 and sometimes called the "Fourth Bishopric of Lorraine" ("le Quatrième Évêché lorrain"), is not related historically to the Three Bisphoprics.

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List duplication
, you might want to keep the list of alumni to List of Somerville College, Oxford people. This page is already long and the purpose of subpages is to allow this article to be a summary of key material. Similar for the Presidents, the table is duplication of the subpage Aloneinthewild (talk) 15:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I've shortened the section Aivin G. (talk) 16:45, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking better, but I would not collapse the table. I would remove it entirely from this page. Collapsible sections are never ideal, see MOS:COLLAPSE Aloneinthewild (talk) 16:57, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks Aivin G. (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Admitting state pupils
I would like to update the lead to say that 56.8% of the UK students admitted to Somerville in the years 2015 to 2017 were educated at state schools, which is in line with the university average. This is based on the university's latest report (link: https://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/Oxford%202018%20Annual%20Admissions%20Report.pdf) based on 2015 to 2017 admissions.

The principal commented on that figure (link: https://www.some.ox.ac.uk/news/from-the-principal-the-change-we-desperately-need/).

The lead currently states that "Together with St Peter's it has the best record of admitting state school pupils among the Oxford colleges.

However: 1) The lead is out of date as it is based on a Guardian report based on a Sutton trust report (link: https://www.suttontrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Oxbridge-Admissions-01.02.16.pdf), which is based on 2011 to 2013 admissions.

2) The calculation used is also flawed as it looks at places offered per applicant, which is higher when a college attracts fewer applicants. This is discussed in the comments on the Guardian article.TSventon (talk) 14:44, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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