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Additional sources:
 * a highly sensationalized account of the Mad gasser, which includes information on the Roanoke Co., VA gassings

 * More history of the Illinois Central Depot

 * More information on Coles Couty history

There is also a book on the cemeteries of Coles County, entitled The Prairie Sleeps, which contains several notable historical tidbits and is much more readable than the "official" county history. Wachholder0 18:09, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Debatable
It is very clear that Mattoon was not a Lincoln-Douglas debate town. Every source I can find says the debate happened in Charleston, Illinois. Even the linked-to transcript of the debate says "Charleston" at the top in enormous letters. Fishal 04:13, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And a soybean
Hey folks -- please beware of people trying to add information regarding a soybean museum. This information was added as a hoax, and it was propagated by journalists who relied on the Wikipedia article without fact-checking. The museum URL is soybeanmuseum.org, and the site contains this disclaimer at the bottom: '' This site and all images herin property of the Coles County Soybean Museum, a non-existent entity. This site is meant as a joke, poking fun at silly journalists who use Wikipedia as their only source of information and don't check their facts. All soybean information on this site comes directly from Wikipedia. We don't check our sources either. '' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.113.173 (talk) 12:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Fabrication & Edwards
I have never personally set foot in Mattoon, but having worked for many months with about a dozen skilled tradesmen and women who all hailed from there, I am surprised that there is not more mention of light manufacturing. The plants have closed and moved away. I get that. But my understanding is that there were many, and they strongly affected the character of the town, the pace and flavor of life there, and of its people. I don't see much mention in the history of the town. Not to criticise, just SUGGESTING.

Also, no mention of a pioneer of radio and tv broadcasting: Frank Edwards, born and raised in Mattoon, may be the earliest documentable professional radio announcer, the first to be syndicated nationwide. A contemporary of Edward R. Murrow, his article says he was employed by about 1923, aged 15! He is hardly remembered today, but he was a big deal in the 1940's & 50's. Rags (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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Samuel Horsley

Samuel Horsley (15 September 1733 – 4 October 1806) was a British churchman, bishop of Rochester from 1793. He was also well versed in physics and mathematics, on which he wrote a number of papers and thus was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society in 1767; and secretary in 1773, but, in consequence of a difference with the president (Sir Joseph Banks) he withdrew in 1784.

Life
He was the son of Rev John Horsley of Newington Butts and his first wife Anne Hamilton, daughter of Rev Prof William Hamilton of Edinburgh and Mary Robertson.

Entering Trinity Hall, Cambridge in 1751, he became LL.B. in 1758 without graduating in arts. In the following year he succeeded his father in the living of Newington Butts in Surrey. In 1768 he attended the son and heir of the 3rd Earl of Aylesford to Oxford as private tutor; and, after receiving through the earl and Bishop of London various minor preferments, which by dispensations he combined with his first living, he was installed in 1781 as archdeacon of St Albans.

Horsley now entered his controversy with Joseph Priestley, who denied that the early Christians held the doctrine of the Trinity. In this fierce debate, Horsley's aim was to lessen the influence which Priestley's name gave to his views, by pointing to (what he claimed were) inaccuracies in his scholarship. Horsley was rewarded by Lord Chancellor Thurlow with a prebendal stall at Gloucester; and in 1788 Thurlow procured his promotion to the see of St David's.

As a bishop, Horsley was active both in his diocese, and in parliament. The effective support which he afforded the government was acknowledged by his successive translations to Rochester in 1793, and to St Asaph in 1802. With the see of Rochester he held the deanery of Westminster.

Family
He married firstly Mary Botham (died 1777), daughter of John Botham, Rector of Albury, Hertfordshire, and secondly Sarah Wright, who died in 1805. Sarah had been a servant of his first wife, but her elegant manners impressed Queen Charlotte when she was presented at Court. By Mary, he had one surviving son, the Rev Heneage Horsley, and a daughter who died young.

He died at Brighton in 1806, and was buried in St Mary's Church, Newington Butts. He died heavily in debt, due largely it was said to his generous and charitable nature.

His granddaughter Harriet Horsley married Robert Jebb QC and had numerous distinguished descendants, including Richard Claverhouse Jebb.

Works
Besides the controversial Tracts, which appeared in 1783–1785, 1786, and were republished in 1789 and 1812, Horsley's more important works are: After his death there appeared several collections edited by Heneage Horsley:
 * Apollonii Pergaei inclinationum libri duo (1770)
 * Remarks on the Observations ... for determining the acceleration of the Pendulum in Lat. 7o 51' (1774)
 * Isaaci Newtoni Opera quae extant Omnia, with a commentary (5 vols 4to, 1779–1785)
 * On the Incarnation. A Sermon, Preached in the Parish Church of St. Mary Newington, in Surrey, Dec. 25, 1785
 * A Sermon Preached in the Cathedral Church of St. Paul (1789)
 * A Review of the Case of the Protestant Dissenters with Reference to the Corporation and Test Acts (1790)
 * A Sermon Preached Before the Incorporated Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts (1795)
 * On the Prosodies of tke Greek and Latin Languages (1796)
 * Disquisitions on Isaiah xviii. (1796)
 * Hosea, translated ... with Notes (1801)
 * Elementary Treatises on ... Mathematics (1801)
 * Euclidis elernentorum libri priores XII. (1802)
 * Euclidis datorum liber (1803)
 * Virgil's Two Seasons of Honey, &c. (1805)
 * papers in the Philosophical Transactions from 1767 to 1776
 *  (1810–1812)
 * Speeches in Parliament (1813)
 * Book of Psalms, translated with Notes (1815)
 * The watchers and the holy ones, a sermon, Volume 17 (1816)
 * Biblical Criticism (1820)
 * Sermons. Nine sermons on our Lord's resurrection, and A dissertation on the prophecies of the Messiah dispersed among the heathen (1829)
 * Collected Theological Works (6 vols 8vo, 1845).

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VirginXtras

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VirginXtras
Tagged as a speedy for advertising. This is not one of the criteria for speedy deletion. No vote from me. Dbiv 18:12, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Currently it reads like an ad. If someone cleans it up and provides notable content, I'll be inclined to keep it. Otherwise it deserves to be deleted. Zzyzx11 21:09, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Should also be noted that VirginXtras is a global brand, used in Britain, Autralia, and Canada...so it's certainly notable enough. Nick04 21:40, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Since it's an add for a product, merge with main company page. Radiant! 10:22, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge all Virgin Mobile content to main VM page until size demands breakouts. Marketing campaigns by themselves are not encyclopedic. Second choice, Delete. Niteowlneils 14:06, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, merge back to Virgin Mobile--nixie 04:17, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Post-rock

weak analytical foundation
the categorization of bands and genealogy of the term "post-rock" seems to me arbitrary. in fact, the whole article should be restructured. we should pay more attention to the distinction of bands that...

1. were formative for the aesthetic definition of the term, but did not identify themselves with a particular genre (bark psychosis, tortoise, mogwai)

2. operated in the past and have been labeled as post-rock after the emergence of the term (talk talk etc.)

3. explicitly refer to a tradition of post-rock bands (this will destroy you, capsian, mono etc.)

one should distinguish between the attribution of the term by the media, the self-definition of bands and the actual aesthetic appearance. at the moment, these things are still mixed up. everyone who has spent some time dealing with this sort of music could object to every second sentence. most important: there is not "decline" of the genre, just further confusion about how to map a very vital and diverse musical landscape. just have a look on myspace. in the last 12 month literally hundreds of bands emerged, which describe themselves as post-rock. i think the term is more present than ever before.

i think the article should be restructured and rewritten. since i am a n00b on wikipedia, i'm not sure how to do that, without offending the original creators of this text. please help.

best, alexander — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.31.130.113 (talk) 15:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I fully agree that the post-rock article is pretty bad and should be re-vamped. It should also be mentioned that 'post-rock' technically has been around for ages, and examples of this should be noted in the 'Early Precedents'-section; it wasn't before someone influential coined it as a term, that it gained accepted as some sort of movement, or scene, or musical approach. I also think that Reynold's post-rock definition should be noted in the intro of the article, instead of mentioning which instruments are used in post-rock, as instruments used in post-rock are a wide, wide variety; and this should be mentioned in a side-note. It should be made clear that post-rock, in the first place, is more of an idea, or an approach to making music, than it is a genre. (And it should probably be mentioned that despite this, post-rock developed a certain 'sound' with its 2nd wave).

 * Lastly, I can't believe that Wikipedia still calls 'alternative rock' a genre. It is an umbrella term considering genres and movements with its roots in various independent music-scenes, generally associated with american scenes (but some, like indie rock, has its roots in britain). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.177.190.109 (talk) 13:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The Vacant
That The Vacant band listed has not even released an album and they already feel they must be in Wikipedia? Their article has been voted for deletion. Remove them from here also! - User:Dalegrett, April 10, 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalegrett (talk • contribs) 19:21, 10 April 2005 (UTC)

alternative origins?
Not that I pretend to know about too much about rock music (worse, I can't cite sources), but I read in some booklet about rock in Mexico that Jorge Reyes (a Mexican, of course, and not the Cuban this link refers to) coined the term "post rock" in the mid '80s. For me, his music is as new age as I bear to listen to, but it certainly fits the technical description about the use of the guitars.

Adding more as the Wikipedias expand: Jorge Reyes is in fact this musician, formerly of the band Chac Mool. Since Simons Reynolds' claims to coining the term in 1994 is now relegated to its proper status, maybe someone with more knowledge can have a closer look at post rock's prehistory?

klaus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.32.12.95 (talk) 18:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Dec. 8 2006 reversion (God is an Astronaut) + generally God is an Astronaut
I've made a reversion to an edit by an IP (see the history)--they included God is an Astronaut in a listing of bands that have used death metal-style vocals. Regardless of whether it is the case, the band doesn't seem to be notable in the genre -- and if it is, it needs to have an article written about it. This should carry over to other bands in the listing; are there any issues with this? Moonty 17:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, they do not use death metal-style vocals: the band is purely instrumental. I'd say they're talented but not notable as GYBE, EitS and so on... Doubt97 15:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubt97 (talk • contribs)

Seeing as how they have become quite notable in this genre (in fact having more traffic on Facebook than many other mentioned bands), I think it is about time they got a mention on the page. --122.169.67.231 (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To be blunt, traffic on Facebook means nothing to us. We need references from reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy (see WP:V). If you can find quality sources, by all means add a mention in the article. Wyatt Riot (talk) 14:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Added them now.
 * Stats from Spotify:
 * 65daysofstatic - 132656 monthly listeners
 * GIAA - 161392
 * MONO - 112149
 * Do Make Say Think - 54532 Psfinaki (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Psfinaki! Unfortunately, making comparisons based on Spotify numbers would be original research. We'd need something explicitly stated by reliable, third-party sources, like recognized music journalists. You can see some examples of sources at WikiProject Albums/Sources.
 * Based on those Spotify numbers, I'd expect that we'd need to add a new section for the 2020s, and that there are likely other contemporary bands to mention. But the sources have to come first. Woodroar (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have a lot of time to search for sources right now, but I have found a few examples of contemporary bands with post-rock elements:
 * Greet Death and Holy Fawn mentioned at Paste
 * Touché Amoré at Pitchfork
 * Nothing about GIAA yet, though. Woodroar (talk) 22:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Woodroar hmm I see, thanks for the references.
 * A bit off topic, but the system feels weird to me - I mean measuring artist popularity by mentions in whatever music magazines. The band is popular (and we're only talking about popularity here) if people attend their concerts and listen to their music, and the music itself might be awesome or crappy - that's what experts can debate about in the magazines. But Spotify
 * or last.fm would be the places I'd look at if I wanted to start with a music genre.
 * But yeah who I am to judge Wiki's criteria for data credibility. Anyway, the band is not new, it started 20 years ago, so I wouldn't call it contemporary anyway, it's really from the generation of Explosions In The Sky and 65daysofstatic.
 * But worse I don't actually understand how to prove the point - should I look for some "best post-rock bands ever" rating from some music magazine from some year where GIAA are mentioned? Like I found this for example on the AOTY but again don't know how credible this is. Psfinaki (talk) 22:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Psfinaki, it really comes down to the fact that Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, is a tertiary source based on secondary sources. Our "job" is to fairly and transparently summarize what reliable sources say about our subjects without adding our own interpretations or spin. Unfortunately, that also means that if reliable sources don't cover something, then we shouldn't, either.
 * The issue with using Spotify/Last.fm is twofold. First, streaming numbers can be manipulated. And second, but most importantly, it would involve interpretation by any random person like you and me. On Last.fm, for example, GIAA has ~100k more listeners than 65daysofstatic or Mono, very different from those Spotify numbers. Maybe ticket sales would give an entirely different ranking? Would we use pre-pandemic sales? Would we adjust numbers to account for record sales? It would be a mess, edit warring would be rampant, and everyone would be right—at least based on which numbers they used. Reliable sources like music journalists are (theoretically) trained to deal with interpreting all of that, plus incorporating intangibles like influence on other bands and society at large—which are surely signs of popularity, right?
 * As for AOTY, they're listed as "generally unreliable" at WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES because there is No clear editorial discretion between sources, including several amateur critics alongside otherwise reliable/professional ones. The source you mentioned doesn't have a listed author and may have been taken directly from Drowned in Sound? That's weird and definitely not something a reputable publisher would do, so the ALBUMS/SOURCES finding sounds about right.
 * Anyways, I spent a few more minutes searching and found more articles from Kerrang and Paste, but neither mention GIAA. This Revolver source does, but it also says "the group is hardly a household name, at least not outside of specialized circles"—which is kind of the opposite of what we're looking for, sadly. Woodroar (talk) 23:09, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Woodroar alright, thanks for the explanations and the links, interesting reading by the way. Your arguments and Wiki policies on that make sense then. Yeah I also spent some time searching for some magazines mentioning the band and didn't find much which surprised me a bit but well I'm also biased because I really like the band and have seen them 4 times live.
 * Anyway, let's keep the article as it is then. I appreciate that you spent time explaining probably basic stuff to a Wiki-newbie :) Psfinaki (talk) 09:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Psfinaki, glad to help! And I get it about wanting to mention GIAA. Several of my favorite bands are obscure enough that they don't even meet the notability requirements for an article. Everyone else's loss, I guess! Woodroar (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chad Bryant

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Chad Bryant
More vanity. Inter\Echo 18:12, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. 62.24.88.190 vandalized my vote. --Sn0wflake 23:27, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --Mikemsd 20:55, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. Zzyzx11 21:06, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Chad Bryant is an asshole. OSJ 22:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Speedily deleted. The content is solely a personal attack. How can it be classified as vanity boggles my mind. Any normal article is welcome, but such kind of contribitions cannot be tolerated. Mikkalai 22:06, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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MoonTV

MoonTV was a free Finnish cable network channel. It started off as a channel for programmes about computer and video games but later grew into a channel covering several areas of youth culture. In its prime it was the first interactive TV channel in the world. At its best MoonTV could reach 1.3 million potential viewers in the 12 biggest cities across Finland. In 2003 the channel was shut down after the company that owned it filed for bankruptcy.

MoonTV was relaunched in 2010 online with new hosts and a new program line-up.

People
Mika Koivula and Hannu and Pekka Kossila were the founding members of MoonTV. Koivula came up with the name "MoonTV" back in 1996. Pekka Kossila was in charge of creating economical interactive TV formats which were the core of the channel when it started its test broadcasts in November 1996. Hannu Kossila, CEO, took care of the marketing and expansion of the channel.

MoonTV is noted for bringing forth youth-icon and political representative Wallu Valpio former member of the music group "Arto Muna ja Millennium Orkesteri".

Programming and production style
The programs were shot primarily around the city of Helsinki, with occasional programming such as concert events and E3 shot elsewhere. If shows were not hosted at MoonTV's studios they were usually shot at public locales. MoonTV employees were notorious for relying heavily on guerilla shoots (shooting without permits). This was poked fun at in the early airings in commercials which showed candid footage of a police-car chasing the film crew. For these reasons certain inserts were usually hosted at playgrounds or inside clubs or restaurants. As MoonTV became better recognised such problems with shooting became less of an issue.

MoonTV gathered the support of several Finnish musical artists who would regularly shoot inserts and commercials for the show. Most noticeably Jimi Pääkallo's "Se on ihmisten tekemä" (It's made by humans) insert became extremely popular amongst viewers. Pääkallo was also a regular guest and even shot a commercial for the channel's cooking show Musta Pippuri.

MoonTV's initial purpose was to be, according to channel's co-founder Pekka Kossila, a 24/7 video game-oriented channel. Originally channel's programs were very short, sometimes only 15 minutes, but with the introduction of more youth-oriented programs the average show-length became 30 minutes (with commercials). MoonTV's programming was updated weekly (originally on Mondays, later on Thursdays) and this meant that reruns of any show could be seen several times daily like in today's movie or music channels. However, there were several programmes like the entertainment and sport news that were updated on a daily basis via the Web. Aivoradio (Brain Radio), a 15-minute news and current events programme was the only show to be updated daily, but appeared only for a brief time very late into MoonTV's existence.

Being a completely computer-run channel MoonTV was prone to various technical malfunctions. During its run the channel "went dark" several times. The periods of darkness could last anywhere from a few minutes to a whole week. Additionally, the fact that the channel was not supported by a bigger, better established channel (such as SubTV which is a part of MTV3) undoubtedly had effects in the overall production values of the channel's programmes. Unlike other commercial channels, MoonTV did not feature subtitling for programmes, regardless of their language.

Despite having minimal impact in Finnish television culture MoonTV sustained a steady fan-base and helped launch the careers of several of their employees and associates such as Jarno Sarkula of the band Alamaailman Vasarat, Miika Huttunen and Thomas Puha, the main editors of the game magazine Pelaaja and the Finnish equivalent of Jackass, the Extreme Duudsonit.

Internet Relaunch
In 2010, MoonTV was revived with its programmes now hosted online. Some of the technical and production crew is the same as the original MoonTV's, however, its shows and hosts are entirely new.

Game related shows

 * Kimmo Nikkanen was the first regular host (along with the co-founder of MoonTV, Pekka Kossila) of Moon TV. He has written many books about games. Because he was living four hours away from Helsinki (in Jyväskylä), he would come and work a continuous 20-hour shift to get games tested, texts written and hosted for the programmes just to get back to his family. These programmes were then later divided among new Moon TV hosts.
 * Pekka Kossila was the co-founder of MoonTV. He was the original host of PSX-Peliluola, PPPS-Peliluola and TOP TEN Peliluola game shows.
 * Jarno Sarkula (alias Kreivi Stakula), one of the best loved hosts who occasionally traveled outside the borders of his own show. Best remembered for his gothically themed introductions and wordplay. He hosted the PC game shows PC-Peliluola (one of the longest-running shows on MoonTV) and PC-Planet (broken in to its own show from Game Planet and later fused with the first one) and also Damage which rated DVD releases and was also one of the last 15-minute shows on the channel.
 * Thomas "Everlast" Puha hosted several console-related shows included PSX-Peliluola, N64-Peliluola and Play which later changed its name to Player after Puha left the show in his own words "To seek out Natalie Portman". Thomas also hosted URL with Miika Huttunen. Puha is one of the best recognised figures from MoonTV, known for his laid-back gamer image.
 * Miika "druidi" Huttunen hosted Peliuutiset (Game News) before it was fused with the main game-related programs PC-Peliluola and Play. He also hosted URL in which he and Thomas Puha visited websites submitted by audiences. URL was infamously one of the last 15-minute shows aired on MoonTV. Huttunen is recognised for his very calm (criticized as apathetic) narrative style.
 * Elias "Olmoor" Poutanen took over the hosting duties of Play (renamed Player) after Puha left the show. Best remembered for his youthful energy.

Miika Huttunen, Thomas Puha and Elias Poutanen were later reunited on the show Play (intentionally or unintentionally named after a program on MoonTV) which aired on Nelonen from 2004 to 2005. Jarno Sarkula also made two guest appearances on the show.

Others

 * Wallu Valpio, a member former of the musical group Arto Muna ja Millennium Orkester who rose to fame on MoonTV's various musically themed shows.
 * Sacha, hosted the show REC which showed skateboarding and snowboarding videos made by fans and rated by the studio guests. Also hosted a cooking-show Musta Pippuri. He was responsible for bringing in many of the hosts to MoonTV such as Arman Alizad and Aleksi Litovaara. He currently runs and is a part-owner of Helsinki's popular We Got Beef bar and the Bali-hai restaurant.
 * Johanna Kiiski, host of the metal music show 666 Sekuntia (renamed later to 667 Sekuntia).
 * Tumppi hosted Word!, a show for rap and hip-hop interviews and music videos.
 * Arman Alizad, one of the most controversial hosts in MoonTV's history, both loved and hated by the viewers, Arman was introduced with the lifestyle-oriented show Dresscode. In one of the most bizarre moves in the channel's history he also ended up hosting the online multiplayer themed game-show Over Dose (endorsed by the Finnish Dose chain of gaming stores).

Original shows

 * PC-Peliluola, as mentioned above, hosted by Kreivi Stakula was the longest-running program as it was part of the original programming schedule when MoonTV first went on air. Kimmo Nikkanen hosted the early airings of the show.
 * Bubblegum, later renamed Purkka (meaning chewing gum) was the first music-oriented program on the channel and mainly concentrated on pop music. After a change in name and image the show was eventually cancelled (most likely due to a lack of interest).
 * Movie File was another show that was cancelled before 2003. The programme included film reviews, news and Top-10s. It aired for a while alongside Movie File + which was supposed to have more in-depth footage about the makings of specific movies, but was cancelled after only a handful of episodes were made.
 * Never Trust a Hippie, originally starting as a rock-oriented show; it quickly moved to cover many genres of music becoming a more general magazine-type program. The longest-running music program on MoonTV, originally hosted by Wallu Valpio.
 * Festival Specials, annual long-form reports of various music festivals in Finland and elsewhere were also well regarded by the fans of MoonTV.
 * E3 Specials, also became a tradition for the channel.
 * Boxi was a 15-minute programme with info on the weekly programming and where hosts of various shows would answer feedback from viewers.
 * URL was a program about two geeks checking out websites submitted by watchers. The programme managed to attain a small but active following with its often humorous attitude combined with quotations from Star Wars. The same programme was often aired many times a night because of its short length (some have counted over 10!). The show was hosted by Thomas Puha and Druidi Huttunen
 * Dresscode (TV series), was a fashion show hosted by Arman Alizad.

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Talk:Chiastic structure

Merge?
Perhaps this article should be merged with Chiasmus? 128.151.130.160 18:14, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. They both derive their name from Chi, and are similar in some respects, but they are different. Chiasmus, especially in its classical sense. It is narrower and used only for emphsis as opposed to drawing attention to a specific point. E=MC^2 T@lk

Need example
This article is pretty worthless. Could it maybe give an example of what chiastic structure looks like? I mean an actual example, not "ABBA" or something cryptic like that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.255.8.109 (talk • contribs).

An example is:

Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country

The second sentence is an inverse of the first sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.211.198.34 (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Example book
I removed this unwikiformatted text from the article, added by 89.128.208.101 on 15:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC):

Example: Book of Jonah

A. God’s message to the prophet — Grace for Nineveh (1:1.2) B. God uses forces of the nature to redirect His servant (1:3–13.17) b1. God uses the great wind (1:4) b2. God uses the great fish (1:17) C. The repentance of the sailors (1:14–16) c1. God’s intervention on behalf of the sailors (1:15) c2. Prayer to the Lord (1:14) c3. Sacrifice and promises — ceremonial elements (1:16) D. Jonah’s repentance and God’s recommission ( 2:1 – 3:4) D1. Changing of mind (2:1–9) D2. The God of the second chance(2:10–3:2).

The core of the book: 3:1 “the word of the LORD came unto   Jonah the second time”

D1’ Changing of doings (3:3.4) C.’ The repentance of the Nineveh’s people (3:5–10) c3.’ Feast and humbleness — ceremonial elements (3:5–7) c2.’ Prayer to the Lord (3:8.9) c1.’ God’s intervention on behalf of the Ninevites (3:10)

B’. God uses forces of the nature to redirect His servant (4:5–8)

b2’. God uses the little worm (4:7)

b1’. God uses the hot wind (4:8)

A’. God’s message to the prophet — Grace for Nineveh (4:10.11)ESG.MA iR

"The Literary Structure of the Old Testament: A Commentary on Genesis — Malachi" by David A. Dorsey is a great resource for more information on chiastic structures.

-- JHunterJ 11:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Music
I would like to see something in here about it's use in music. A piece is cyclical if it uses the same material at the beginning and the end, like in the Mozart Requiem, but chiastic can be used as a musical devise if something is built with a palindrome like structure. This occurs in the Faure Requiem when the structure is presented in the following way:

1. Introit and Kyrie - SATB choir 2. Offetory - baritone and choir 3. Sactus - SATB choir 4. Pie Jesu - Soprano Solo 5. Agnus Dei - SATB choir 6. Libera Me - baritone and choir 7. In Paradisum - SATB choir

--Barber86 (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Observation
I have no idea what this article is talking about. I came here wondering what "ring structure" in a narrative meant. This needs to be explained in layman's terms, especially the first paragraph.

Hearthmoon (talk) 02:07, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I see your point. No promises, but I'll try to take a look later, although I'm not a linguist. Feline Hymnic (talk) 07:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I've just edited the opening of the article. I hope the opening is clearer, without losing accuracy. Feline Hymnic (talk) 12:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Al-Baqara
He could never have a design plan in place for the Qur’an because the revelation of many of its verses depended on events that were out of his control.

Our observation of the element of design in this Surah must lead to the inevitable conclusion that the tradition of its composition over many years is obviously mistaken.

And what could be the purpose of such a design? Only to ease recitation (indeed, recitation is what Qur'an literally means). Then why must we cling to the tradition of it being received by prophetic dictation? Doesn't it instead give every indication of having been an oral text communicating large portions of another unwritten epos, a kind of Arabic Al-Injīl? Nuttyskin (talk) 00:15, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The Verse of the Throne
"The verse contains 9 sentences which exhibit chiasmus" Do you mean in each one, or over the entire verse? The latter is more likely, but only roughly. Anyway, this should be explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:5D07:E706:5453:F2A4:4AE9:F9D3 (talk) 23:33, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Lincolnshire

Places I cant find on any map
(this is a live list) Theres Eastville and Midville, out on the Fen near Stickney, but no Westville, unless Stickney was it once upaon a day. Ive found three lists now that mention Westville. Multimap blanks it, but Streetmap mentions Westville Farm, just North of Gipsey Bridge Lincolnshire Poacher — Preceding undated comment added 09:14, 28 March 2005 (UTC)
 * Westville
 * Westville is pretty much the area around what would appear to be three or four Westville Farms on the map! It's a large parish of not many houses and plenty of fenland.  Take a look at this map from magic.gov.uk - the blue lines are parish boundaries - and find the apostrophe in Bunker's Hill.  The boundary of Westville goes from there, down to Westville Road and then heads along the road towards, but not all the way to, Frithville.  At Twenty Foot Bridge it turns north along Twenty Foot Drain and there you can follow the line towards Carrington and Medlam.  Hope that helps. Dupont Circle 14:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * ah yes I see, its that bit of soggy bleakness south of Carrington......... Lincolnshire Poacher — Preceding undated comment added 18:22, 28 March 2005 (UTC) )

hey ive found some more new place names. Thompsons Bottom seems to refer to a stretch of road with a factory unit, just west of Ashby De La Launde
 * Thompsons Bottom

Other ones are Skendleby Psalter and Thorpe Park (near Woodhall). Wonder why Lincolnshire County Council are inventing new place names??

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lincspoacher (talk • contribs) 19:01, 29 March 2005 (UTC)

 * Loveden - a telephone exchange (0400) and an electoral ward - but not a place --Brunnian 00:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Thers a resurrected place name: WITHAM ST HUGHS. Defunct as a village i nthe Middle ages, and no more than an appendage to Swinderby but on the other side of the A46, was obliterated in WW2 when they built Swinderby Airfield and Recruitment Training CAmp ther, its has now resprung up as they sstart to build houses there on the now long defunct airfirld land.
 * So, as we said in the first paragraph, which was scorned by various people, here one example of reviving old Lincolnshire place names. iT not the first signpost ive seen with a name ive never seen before round the county.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lincspoacher (talk • contribs) 14:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Right then. Loveden appears to have been a Wapentake. It is a Deanery.  And like Witham St Hughs Brookenby is a new village tre-using a plague village name.Brunnian (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you aware of the English Place-Name Society volumes? I seem to remember Lincs. hadn't been fully covered, but that may have changed in the last 10 years or so. Also, a lot of this kind of research was done in the creation of the I should know, I worked on it for five years! Not on Lincs., tho... I remember colleagues having a particularly tough time with Lincs. But "lost place-names" can often be found in the database, with a grid reference too in many cases. About "Loveden" in particular, its earliest occurrence in the database is in a document in existence by 16 June 1328, ref. , where it occurs as the name of a wapentake and a deanery, but nothing else. That rather rules out the "plague village" idea. Bear in mind wapentakes (and hundreds) could be named after a rural spot where meetings were held, or a landscape feature, and frequently not after a settlement. Interestingly, it seems nowhere called "Westville" occurs in the whole database. HTH. Nortonius (talk) 10:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC

List of Towns and Villages
Do we need the big long list of towns and villages in this entry? Would it look better to do a list of towns and then a link to the Category:Villages in Lincolnshire entry? Dupont Circle 18:16, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * every county page has a list of villages, it seems, so keeping the list keeps the page layout consistent :-D
 * Lincolnshire Poacher — Preceding undated comment added 10:10, 28 March 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, ive had a play, i can see the merit of a villages list page, we go with ur idea
 * Lincolnshire Poacher — Preceding undated comment added 16:21, 31 March 2005 (UTC)

 * Once every town and village on the list has an entry then we can remove the new villages list and, as long as they all are in the Category:Villages in Lincolnshire or Category:Towns in Lincolnshire categories, link to them Dupont Circle 19:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Agree with Dupont Circle. Seems like a sensible tidy up. Nick Fraser 19:44, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why are there two entries for Welton (Welton, Lincolnshire and Welton by Lincoln)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.118.247 (talk) 17:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Can anyone justify this statement? --- "The county of Lincolnshire appears to be experiencing a resurrection of old village and hamlet placenames and, in some instances, the creation of new placenames. This makes the compilation of a definitive list of Lincolnshire villages an especially open-ended task." --- in what context has there been a "resurrection" of old place names? In the naming of new housing developments? Quite possible. In the re-naming of existing villages? Seems unlikely. Can anyone provide evidence or references? "This makes ... an open-ended task" --- well, yeah, just like the rest of Wikipedia!! Seriously though, how is Lincs special in this regard? The accuracy of any toponymic exercise is subject to its own limiting factors, we know, but do we need to make this explicit in the particular case of Lincolnshire? If no-one has any major objections, I'm going to rewrite this ... TheVenerableBede 11:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with TheVenerableBede. The fact that it makes the task open ended is no revelation, and need not be stated. The original statement in the first place needs examples. I am a native of the county who no longer lives there and the only (bogus) example I can think of is a road sign which "sprang up" in Boston a little over 20 years ago, suggesting the direction and distance of "Rochford". Presumably it indicated "Rochford Tower", but that is an ancient building rather than a place, and no such place had ever existed... the name was quickly erased from the sign. It would be interesting if the originator of this statement could give some real examples, either in this discussion or, even better, in the article itself. --SMeeds 10:14, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll consider myself seconded, then, and remove the statement from the article. Thanks, SMeeds. TheVenerableBede 08:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Article standards
Ok, i propose we agree on a standard. Ive done an update on all the places that already had pages, and now ive gone back to A and started creating the non esistant pages. I propse we construct the pages as follows:

Sample text:

(village) lies on (road) near (town/ landmark)

(other interesting facts, famous poeple, famous sights, famous buuildings/monoliths/natural features}

Grid reference latitude and longitude

link to multimap map link to multimap arial view

other links -churches, village websites, golf courses, buildings, people etc.

Uk geo stub

end

If possible, make disambig pages for any other place hogging the title page. For a sample look at Aisthorpe. Im now going to systematically work through A to Z making all the pages like this.

What u think?

Lincolnshire Poacher — Preceding undated comment added 16:58, 28 March 2005 (UTC)

 * That's an excellent idea to have a template. I've amended the Aisthorpe page to outline what I would do and so I'd better outline my thinking!
 * The first thing I'd do is follow the convention of actually starting the article with the name of the place and the area it is in. I think it's good to state the nearest town(s) and the driving distance between them.
 * I think your description of the B1398 isn't needed on this page. That would go on a future page about the B1398.
 * I'd move the gbmapping tag and any links to an External Links section. I was in two minds about whether there should be a link to a Multimap map as the gbmapping tag goes to the Ordnance Survey map, but many other pages have more than one external map link.  I've taken the aerial photo link out becuase it goes to the same site as your other map link.  Again, I'm in two minds as to whether to leave it in or not.
 * I'd also make sure that there's the category tag so the page automatically appears in the Villages of Lincolnshire category page
 * My two pennorth there :) Dupont Circle 19:35, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

ok, heres the bit of code im using for the end of the page: (edit page to see it)
 * (the External Links template thing here)
 * VILL is located at 52.98333°N, -0.53333°W1.
 * [MULTIMAP URL Location map of VILL]
 * [MULTIMAP URL Arial view of VILL]
 * [CHURCHES URL ST SOMEONES Church, VILL]
 * UK-geo-stub
 * UK-geo-stub

setting the correct name for VILL and the URLs, the correct LAT and LONg and map ref, im providing a multimap link, an arial photo link, a piccy of the church, and anything else such as Village webby etc. Lincolnshire Poacher 00:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * (just changed the stub to a template link - no reason for this talk page to be listed as a UK-geo-stub!) Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 04:17, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

photos
what about more photos, if we can, Dupont?

we need some poor hapless fool to drive round lincolnshire taking photos of every village...........

Lincolnshire Poacher — Preceding undated comment added 19:16, 28 March 2005 (UTC)

 * Excellent idea - sadly I can't be the fool as I only spend 48 hours a year in the county and I'm not spending my Christmas with my parents driving to Old Bolingbroke! I don't have any photos really from when I lived there as when you live somewhere you don't tend to take photos. Dupont Circle 19:37, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * For what it's worth I can contribute a pic of Harmston soon. Nick Fraser 19:48, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * You can use the ones from Geograph. Just look at the Ropsley page to see what I did there. Ben 2082 (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Speed Cameras
Not really sure that the "Speed Cameras of Lincolnshire" warrants a category mention on the top level Lincolnshire page. Unless other people feel that speed cameras are a quintessential feature of the county I vote for moving this somwhere. Do others agree? Nick Fraser 17:52, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Agree. Speed cameras are everywhere.  I'd just delete the entire section Dupont Circle 18:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Well I disagree, unless your going to have a page on speed cameras. Speed Cameras were trialled in Lincolnshire, and Lincolnshire has more speed cameras than anywhere else. They have caused a huge controversy in the County, especially as they were introduced first because Linconshire has the highest number of most dangerous roads in the UK, and the highest death rate, so yes, Speed Cameras are a essential feature of this county. 193.131.115.253 09:44, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * In which case you need to take what you've just written and turn it into a paragraph on the high levels of road deaths in the county Dupont Circle 06:33, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi 193.13.115.253 (it's better if you have a Wikipedia login, gives you more editorial clout). I agree that there are interesting and relevant things to say about speeding, cameras, road deaths in the context of Lincolnshire, it's just that I don't think it's top level entry - this should be reserved for broad topics (such as Geography, History, References, etc.) otherwise we risk the top level page becoming bogged down in detail. I propose creating a subsection of the Geography section called Transport Networks (or an entirely new section called Transport if people prefer?) and we can use this area to talk about issues to do with rail and road in the county. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickfraser (talk • contribs) 12:36, 6 April 2005 (UTC)

Geography Section
I've expanded the Geography section a bit - it is still far from satisfactory. When I have time I will try and bring it up to standard, make it punchy and concise and separate some of the material into a linked 'Geography of Lincolnhshire' linked page. In the meantime, please improve and add to this, particularly the subregions (currently incomplete). Forgive me for not finishing this off properly, simply ran out of time. Nick Fraser 19:38, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * good edit, nice section. Lincolnshire Poacher 21:52, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If anyone wants some photographs I have loads from my Lincolnshire Cam days find me on www.wildlifeandcountryside.com. Email me from there. Rosey Timmis-Norton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.199.192 (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Lincolnshire Show
where did you get the date of 1869 as the start of the Lincolnshire Show? I hope your not confusing it with the Lincoln Cattle Market...........my ancestors won a cup at the third Lincolnshire Show (for the 'best pen of 100 breeding sows'!)

Lincolnshire Poacher 21:32, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong Dupont Circle 22:42, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * No, im not saying ur wrong, i thought it started later, but you may be right. I was just interested where u got the info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lincspoacher (talk • contribs) 16:33, 11 April 2005 (UTC)

 * Reading the lincolnshire show website this years show (2006) was the 122nd show, if they had one show a year then the first show would of been in 1884 (15 years after the society formed in 1869) i'm currently reading the website to see if there is any 'start year' claims on the website. SimonD 21:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * There is a good chance that the show was not held during the first and second world war, and perhaps during F&M outbreaks. Brunnian (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you call a fellow resident of Lincolnshire?
In Westfall's biography,
 * Isaac Newton came from Lincolnshire and had time for any of his 'countrymen' who were travelling in London, during his time as Master of the Mint.

My question: What is the word for a fellow Lincolnshire resident?. Once I know it, I can put this into his article. To me, it does not matter if they did not use the term during Newton's time; it only matters that the term is from Lincolnshire. I would like to include such a sentence as a humanizing fact for the Isaac Newton article. Thank you, Ancheta Wis 00:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that humanising of that sort is appropriate for a Wikipedia article, and putting in a later slang term like "yellowbelly" would surely be inappropriate. There's no useful term, so far as I know — but then, there isn't for most counties.  When it sounds OK, one can stick "man" or "woman" on the end of the county name (or derived adjective), as in "Yorkshireman" or "Cornishman", but it's clumsy with "Lincolnshire".  Westfall's sentence is also rather clumsy, incidentally: he had time for them during his time... --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:02, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Flag
See here: BBC David 13:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

 * or visit LincolnshireFlag.co.uk here: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.133.255.34 (talk) 13:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm no expert but the image on the BBC site doesn't appear to be copyright, maybe it can be used here ? 160.5.247.213 10:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I am not sure that the flag is "official" in any meaningful way, being a marketing stunt dreamed up by a glossy magazine. --Brunnian 00:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Ceremonial/non-metropolitan county
I have been reading the article (I'm from Lincolnshire), and I don't think the distinction between the two is made clear enough, and I am not sure which the article is actually about, as surely some stuff only applies to one or the other.

I'm not sure how to improve it though, so I am looking for suggestions.

John 11:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, this is an issue I also have. The Lincolnshire-Geo-Stub is being added to locations in North Lincolnshire, which is a separate county (unitary authority). Asterion talk to me 11:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Is there much point in making the distinction between Lincolnshire, North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire in terms of this stub? The latter two are a fairly recent invention and the flag on the stub is used across the entire (Ceremonial) county. --Bedders 12:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I've always been of the opinion that three separate articles are needed: for Lincolnshire (administrative), Lincolnshire (ceremonial) and Lincolnshire (traditional). That way the information specific to each can all be kept separate and the main Lincolnshire article can link to all three. Owain (talk) 12:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I think we are doing well with the template labelled as Ceremonial county. This way it can also be used for N Lincs and NE Lincs, which to be honest makes more sense than labelling them with  . I don't really know what would the best thing to do be regarding the geo-stubs. There aren't too many N and NE Lincs stubs to warrant a separate one. Maybe Lincolnshire-Geo-Stub description should be changed to cover Lincolnshire county and the two unitary authorities (I haven't checked it recently, maybe already done).  -- E    Asterion  u talking to me? 00:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Language
The use of while in the sense of "until" is given as an example of a peculiarly or characteristically Lincolnshire usage. In fact it is also common in my native Lancashire and I suspect it is known throughout those parts of England which were exposed to Old Norse influence.

EdwinGreenwood 12:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi. Yes, I don't think this particular to Lincolnshire, I've heard 'while' used in this sense by people in South Yorkshire too (though not West or North Yorkshire). Nick Fraser 07:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

can someone put in about Crumpets being called Pikelets in Lincolnshire —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdomoflindsey (talk • contribs)

 * Not in South Lincolnshire, it's not, though... --86.130.9.237 00:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC).

 * How do you define South Lincolnshire? We used to call them pikelets in Boston. SMeeds 09:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * They were Pikelets in Castle Bytham in the '60s and '70s. Still are in Stamford, at least in Asker's bakery.   --Brunnian 23:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I still use 'Nah theen', and remember in my youth people using the -en plural (Shooen for shoes in particular) -- Brunnian 23:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

wouldnt be good if put how to pronounce certain towns and villages in dialect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.71.151 (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Weblinks
Is http://www.extremehorizon.com/ a suitable site for the lincolnshire entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polymorp (talk • contribs) 20:08, 25 Septebmer 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think so. -- Lee Stanley 23:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I feel the same about http://www.lincolnshirehairandbeauty.com/ -- Brunnian (talk) 15:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Lincolnshire Posy?
Is there a reason there is no mention of Percy Grainger's masterpiece Lincolnshire Posy? It's a pretty famous composition of his. I actually stumbuled upon this article looking for the piece =P --Kevin 05:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Villages Needs a Lot of Work
The pages for the villages in Lincolnshire really need a lot of work. Maybe we could do something with local newspapers or something, to get people to write an article for their village and then we could just post them up here? Just an idea. Ben 2082 (talk) 16:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

'Services and Retail' is a meaningless list
I'm a bit worried about the table in section 2.2 'Services and Retail'. The list to the iggi web site is broken, and the article does not say what this is a ranking of. Is it sales volume, number of boarded up shops, level of shoplifting, number of retail outlets, average door width for wheelchair users, number of shops painted yellow? I can't tell. Brunnian (talk) 14:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

 * I have marked the link as dead for now, but I agree that it gives no clue as to what the list represents. May be there is an archived copy of the page available that will help. Keith D (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

European election
I think that we need to add some details of the counties representation in the European Parliament as a result of the elections, currently there is no mention of Europe in this context. Keith D (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

"Bomber County"
Discussion of this term would be useful. Drutt (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

 * In what way? Lincolnshire has always been known as Bomber County, since the Second World War due to its many Airfields. You might find this of interest Here. --BSTemple (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Article makes no mention of the term or its background. It would be a helpful addition. Drutt (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

A-class?
I notice that the page is rated B - what would we have to do it to become an A? Brunnian (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

 * A-class is not used much as far as I can see in most projects. To get to an A-class it requires to have a project review involving a number of project members. Normally though most projects tend to go initially for a good article review to get the article to GA-class (comes between B & A), skip A-class and then go straight for a featured article review. Though I would suggest that peer reviews will be needed to get there. Keith D (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

 * If you are looking at what needs doing to the article a quick look shows that the bulleted lists need turning into prose and large sections need to be referenced. I would suggest that for an article of this nature for GA/FA then there should be in the order of 100 references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith D (talk • contribs) 16:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

A Section for Historial Lincolnshire (Pre 1974)
I think that a historic map as well has a section of Lincolnshire (Pre 1974) would be very useful on the Lincolnshire on the page also I think that the map should inculde the broundrys of the three old county counils of Holland, Lindsey and Kesteven as there is no link from the Lincolnshire page to these articles! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MOTORAL1987 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

 * The links to the 3 articles are in the first paragraph of the History section. As this is only a quick summary the best place to elaborate on the pre 1974 situation is in the main article History of Lincolnshire which does not really do them justice as it currently stands. Each if the 3 articles on the parts of Lincolnshire has a pink map showing that particular area in red. I cannot find a map of just Lincolnshire showing the 3 parts which is probably what is required for the history article so you can get a quick overview of the area. Keith D (talk) 16:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Could a map of Historial Lincolnshire with the three historic counties of Linsdsey, Holland and Kesteven be made so it could be put into the History of Lincolnshire as well as the main Lincolnshire page or is that not possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MOTORAL1987 (talk • contribs) 11:26, 26 August 2009

 * If a map is made then it would be best to upload it to Commons and then it can be used on any wiki project. It can also be used on multiple articles if required. Just need someone to make one. Keith D (talk) 16:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Then in that case could someone please take this up and make a map of historial Linclnshire with the outlines of the three counties of Linsdsey, Holland and Kesteven, I would love to do but I dont know how to do it or make a map let alone draw the ontlines for the three counties within Lincolnshire, If it was possible for me to do so then I would have done it so please can someone take it up and make that map! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MOTORAL1987 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 26 August 2009

 * There is a method for asking for help with images: Requested pictures --Brunnian (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC) (PS: why am I suddenly appearing in tiny writing? there are no small tags?)

 * It is because of previous editor copying part of signiture. I have fixed it up. Keith D (talk) 20:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Splitting up
Is it time to move 'events' and 'places of interest' out to a separate page?--Brunnian (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Not sure about the 'events' section as not too bad at the moment, the 'places of interest' section needs to be turned into prose for this article so would be suitable to split out like for example List of places of interest in Bath, Somerset then adding a prose summary here like Bath, Somerset with a link to the sub-article. Keith D (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Lincolnshire Map
I know this affects Lincolnshire as a whole and not this page as much but the main map for Lincolnshire which has all the major routes and railway lines needs a update to take account of the new A16 route to Peterborough with old A16 route to Stamford from Spalding being downgraded to a non-primary route but I dont know how to inform the necessary people so that the update can be preformed. ( MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC) )

 * Probably Nilfanion is the best person to talk to as they created the blank map templates. Keith D (talk) 19:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Politics of Lincolnshire!
I think its high time that a special page (enlisted "Politics of Lincolnshire") was set up to look at recent and past election results for Lincolnshire in both county council and also the unitary authorities in North East Lincolnshire and North Lincolnshire. I propose that the new page is split into five sections, one for each of the council areas which can be filled with maps to show how each ward voted both in the present and in the past as well as show results from each of the wards. I also propose a section to focus on Westminster results from across the county although great detail may need not be applied to that section and also a final section on the recent AV referendum and also the page could also be used to providing information on district council results both past and present but I am thinking more at this time about county/unitary authority level. This brand new page would ease the need to put detailed information on the main county page as well as providing brand new information on the political landscape of Lincolnshire as well as its political past at a local level. ( MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC) )

 * Agreed. The list of attractions wants splitting out too.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 21:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Inaccuracies
This article has a bunch but something should be done about, or explained with regards to the inclusion of Thomas Paine who had nothing as far as I'm aware to do with Lincolnshire - wrong Lincoln? Also the language section looks like it has been copy/pasted from the Yorkshire page. Some of the stuff in there is definitely not Lincolnshire simply because it has bled into Lincolnshire in some parts. Streaky (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Thomas Paine has a tenuous link in that he was appointed as an Excise Officer in December 1762, based in Grantham. I've added a comment to that effect.—GrahamSmith (talk) 11:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Robin Hood airport
The remark Robin Hood Airport ... provide a wider range of flights. puzzles me. Humberside has thrice-daily scheduled flights to Aberdeen & Schiphol, and a bunch of charters. And the offshore helicopters. Robin hood seems to have intermittent & charter flights. Who nominates one or the other as superior? --Robert EA Harvey (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

separate County Council page
hi there

as far as I can see Lincolnshire is the only County not to have its own page for the County Council [1]

instead it has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_County_Council#Politics which is actually a section on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire

Shall I create one?

JT

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_county_councils_in_England — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeremytarling (talk • contribs) 14:52, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Some redirect to the County article, such as Warwickshire. But probably that is an interim to having a proper article. If you think you have sufficient material then I would create it. Keith D (talk) 17:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Go for it. But move stuff from here rather than duplicate it, and use the  template here.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 14:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Flag
Do we need two instances of the rastafarian tea-towel? I am tempted to remove one of them.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 16:06, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I understand what you are getting at with the doubled-up flag, and I agree. The text in the relevant sub section doesn't obviously or directly point to, or properly describe, the flag anyway, and would take a rewrite of the text to give an adequate pointer. The undeveloped text mentioning the Lincoln flag would confuse this with the Lincs flag for the uninitiated. If the flag remains, then it might be good to have the city of Lincoln flag image for comparison. There are nice bits of editor own POV in the text - obliquely pointing to the inadequacy of the LCC version of the imp, and in Ref No.40 title, which is not the linked page headed text, but pure editor invention and POV comment on the web site linked. If the sub sec remains as is, then I agree, why keep the extra flag - let's get rid. Let's leave it a few days though in case there are further points of view added. Acabashi (talk) 23:45, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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Villages and civil parishes, population and other things
I'm glad to see so many small villages with articles in Wikipedia, but there are a couple of things missing. First, population figures for the 21st century. I know the government websites are hard to use, but I wish someone would take a list of villages in one hand and a computer mouse in the other and spend some time copying down the statistics and entering them into the relevant wikipedia pages. Even to complete the 2001 offerings would help, but its time to add 2011 figures as well--across the board.

Second, many villages are simply the most densely populated part of a civil parish of the same name. The local electorate is made up of the inhabitants of the whole parish, not just the village. Village articles should really be considered to be civil parish articles, especially for the smallest of places.

Third, this is one history nut who isn't really interested in what the Domeday Book had to say about a parish, but would like to know what made a parish tick in the 19th and 20th centuries. I've come across a few quotations from Kelly's Directory of 1885--these are really informative. Even if the parish was wholly made up of farmers, what was the most likely crop those farmers took to market? --Oldontarian (talk) 15:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Splitting up people from Lincolnshire
As this article is now quite lengthy, would it be sensible to move the notable people section to a separate page (List of people from Lincolnshire) and then create a link to that on this page? AustinRedd007 —Preceding undated comment added 11:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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Ailesham cloth ?
Can anyone identify the Ailesham or Eylisham in Lincolnshire where this 14th-century linen apparently came from? (Aylesham is in Kent!) Pam  D  15:48, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Nothing springs to mind. More likely is the town of Aylsham in Norfolk as suggested in Notes and Queries (1904). Nedrutland (talk) 07:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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Infobox English county error
I fixed one error in the infobox Infobox English county. It apparently uses magic to get various values from a table somewhere but it requires that certain standard names be used for the look-up. There is another error which needs some study of the template documentation. Under "Unitary authority", the area and density values are showing [convert: needs a number]. That is because a standard name was not used somewhere and the area look-up failed. Johnuniq (talk) 01:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Would you please have a look at this. Johnuniq (talk) 05:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The unitary_council parameter would apply only if Lincolnshire were itself a unitary authority; I have removed it. It's not intended for unitary authorities within Lincs with a different name: they have their own articles and their own infoboxes.  Dr Greg  talk 15:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Johnuniq (talk) 22:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Again there are errors in the infobox. There are two instances of [convert: needs a number] under "Unitary authority". Please fix. Would you please give an opinion on the recent edits. Johnuniq (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

 * The change that I previously made had been undone, so I've redone it.  Dr Greg  talk 18:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll try to contact the editor. Johnuniq (talk) 02:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Johnuniq. There's a problem with the Demographics section too. It seems to have been left in a part-finished state. Not exactly sure what corrections are needed or whether it's better removed. Demographics/demography is not usually placed as the first headed section in the county articles. Rupples (talk) 03:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I periodically check some maintenance categories which showed a convert error in this article. I don't have any idea about what should be done. If you are reasonably familiar with these infoboxes and you think a problem has occurred, please revert edits back to the original state. The editor wanting a change has to be willing to justify what they are doing and make sure, with assistance, that it is error free. Johnuniq (talk) 03:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. I'll notify the editor concerned and if it's not corrected prompto will remove. Rupples (talk) 04:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Notable people
Lists of notable people do tend to overwhelm county pages as there are so many of them. This page has quite wisely followed the advice to take this into a separate list article, List of people from Lincolnshire (see section "Splitting up people from Lincolnshire" above), but for some reason that article was also still being duplicated here. I have removed the list and ensured there is a see also under the People section. An alternative is to soldier on with this list in the article, but then the standalone list would be a redundant fork that would need to go to AfD. However I think the arrangement proposed by, with the information hived off, is better. It just needed the follow through of not duplicating it all in the main article. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 * @Sirfurboy. Agree with your eminently sensible edit to remove the duplicated list of people. On a slightly different matter I was thinking of abbreviating some of the wikilinked titles under the See also header. Ok, it's easier to put in the full title of the wikilinked list, but presentation-wise to keep repeating "List of" every time isn't visually attractive, when there's already "Lists". For example, change List of bridges and viaducts in Lincolnshire to Bridges and viaducts in Lincolnshire. A further step would be to truncate further by removing the repeated in Lincolnshire to leave just Bridges and viaducts but I haven't readily thought of an appropriate extension to "Lists", if one is indeed needed. Appreciate your and other editors comment, if any, before going ahead with what potentially may be a wasted effort, if immediately reverted. Rupples (talk) 15:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That sounds sensible, but would it help to introduce with a sentence of text that says something like "The following are lists relating to Lincolnshire:" Perhaps not necessary, but just an idea. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've taken this one step further and used a horizontal list. Feel free to revert if you don't like it.  Dr Greg  talk 16:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dr Greg. Dislike long columns with unutilised space to the right, so was experimenting with a columnar presentation, but the horizontal list has grown on me, so fine. Wasn't sure whether or not capital letters needed, but looks alright with, and I guess is required with the current styling. Rupples (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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User:Ericdeaton

My name is Eric Deaton.

There are several other wikipedia contributors who have the same name. I am the Eric Deaton who attended LTHS, Hope College, and the University of Iowa. I have lived in the Chicago area, western Michigan, Atlanta, Houston, and Iowa City.

My interests include sailing and statistical analysis. These are the areas in which my contributions to Wikipedia are concentrated.

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User:Hippalus/Frieth

Frieth is a hamlet in the parish of Hambleden, in Buckinghamshire, England.

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Juan d'Anyelica

Juan d'Anyelica is a jazz flamenco guitarist from Spain who plays extensively throughout Mexico. He is widely considered to be the finest guitarist in Cancun and the state of Quintana Roo. He has played live shows at several locations in Cancun such as Roots Jazz Club, the Grand Oasis and Melia Resorts. He worked with Paco de Lucia on his album Cositas Buenas. And he has won a Latin Grammy Award. He has appeared at the Cancun Jazz Festival.

Anyelica's albums include Flamenco Fussion - Live… One Night At Roots (1998) and Salud.

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Acroamatics
Dictionary def. RJFJR 18:24, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, dicdef. --Sn0wflake 19:05, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Move to Wiktionary, dictionary definition. Andrew pmk 19:07, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki. Someone thought this would be funny. --BD2412 20:45, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Mitch Landsburg
Was speedy deletion for vanity page, but that is not one of the criteria for speedy deletion. Andrew pmk 18:58, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Andrew pmk 18:58, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Vanity --Mikemsd 20:59, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
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Dol

Dol may refer to:

Places

 * Dol-de-Bretagne, a commune in the Ille-et-Vilaine département, France
 * Mont-Dol, a commune in the Ille-et-Vilaine département, France
 * Dol pri Borovnici, a village in Borovnica municipality, Slovenia
 * Dol pri Hrastniku, a village in Hrastnik municipality, Slovenia
 * Dol pri Hrastovljah, a village in the municipality of Koper, Slovenia
 * Dol pri Laškem, a village in Laško municipality, Slovenia
 * Dol pri Ljubljani, a municipality near Ljubljana, Slovenia
 * Dol pri Stopercah, a village in Majšperk municipality, Slovenia
 * Dol pri Vogljah, a village in Sežana municipality, Slovenia
 * Dol, Stari Grad, a village on the Croatian island of Hvar
 * Dol, Brač, a village near Postira on the Croatian island of Brač
 * Mali Dol, a village near Kraljevica, Croatia
 * Dugi Dol, a village near Krnjak, Croatia
 * Dol, Krašić, a village near Krašić, Croatia
 * Dol, Visoko, a village near Visoko, Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * Dół, Poland

Other

 * Dol (film), a 2007 Kurdish film
 * A little-used unit of measurement for pain; see pain scale
 * Dolorimeter, pain measuring instrument
 * Department of Labor
 * Washington Department of Licensing, a group that issues various licenses in the US state of Washington
 * Direct on line starter, a type of start associated with electric motors
 * Doljanchi, a traditional Korean ceremony for celebrating a baby's first birthday
 * Dol Purnima or Dolyatra, the Bengali variant of the Holi festival
 * Dol or Dool, another slang for cannabis (mostly marijuana)
 * Deprivation of liberty, one of the definitions of abuse within UK law
 * An alternative transliteration of Dhol, an Indian drum

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Shelley Fabares

Michele Ann Marie "Shelley" Fabares (born January 19, 1944) is a retired American actress and singer. She is best known for her television roles as Mary Stone on the sitcom The Donna Reed Show (1958–1963) and as Christine Armstrong on the sitcom Coach (1989–1997), the latter of which earned her two Primetime Emmy Awards nominations. Her film roles include playing the leading lady to Elvis Presley in Girl Happy, Spinout and Clambake.

In 1962, her recording of "Johnny Angel" reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

Fabares was born in Santa Monica, California on January 19, 1944. She is the niece of actress Nanette Fabray (née Fabares). She graduated from North Hollywood High School in 1961.

Early TV appearances
Fabares's acting debut was at the age of 3. At the age of 10, she made her first appearance on television in an episode of Letter to Loretta, "The Clara Schuman Story" (1954).

Early TV appearances included the Producers' Showcase adaptation of Our Town starring Frank Sinatra and Paul Newman. She was Young Cathy in a Matinee Theatre adaptation of Wuthering Heights.

Fabares had small parts in The Girl Rush (1955), Never Say Goodbye (1956), The Bad Seed (1956), Rock, Pretty Baby! (1956), Jeanne Eagels (1957), Marjorie Morningstar (1958), and Summer Love (1958).

On TV she was in Captain Midnight, Annie Oakley, Fury, and Colgate Theatre.

She portrayed Moselle Corey on Annette (1958) starring Annette Funicello.

She guest starred on Mr. Novak, The Eleventh Hour, Arrest and Trial, and The Twilight Zone ("Black Leather Jackets").

The Donna Reed Show
In 1958, Fabares landed the role of Mary Stone in the long-running family sitcom The Donna Reed Show. This ran until 1966. Fabares quickly established herself as a favorite with teen audiences.

"Donna Reed was simply an extraordinary woman, a woman of great strength, kindness, integrity and compassion," said Fabares later of her television mother.

Singer
Fabares' national popularity led to a recording contract and two "Top 40" hits, including "Johnny Angel", which went to number one on the Billboard Hot 100 in April 1962, and peaked at number 41 in the UK. It sold over one million copies and was certified gold. She released an album, Shelley!. "I was stunned about that, to put it mildly," she later said. "After all, I never could sing."

This was followed by a second album, The Things We Did Last Summer, which included two hit songs "Johnny Loves Me" (no. 21) and "The Things We Did Last Summer" (no. 46).

In Canada she had 3 songs the Top 40 with Johnny Angel at #1 for 3 weeks, Johnny Loves Me at #24, and Ronnie, Call Me at #16 for 2 weeks.

Fabares left The Donna Reed Show in 1963 (she would return periodically until its end in 1966) to pursue other acting opportunities. She released a third album, Teenage Triangle in 1963.

Film career
Fabares was one of the female leads in the surf film Ride the Wild Surf (1964). She was Elvis Presley's leading lady in Girl Happy (1965) for MGM and played the love interest of Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits and sings Make Me Happy in Hold On! at the same studio.

MGM made a pilot for a TV series based on Meet Me in St. Louis with Fabares in the lead but no network was receptive to it.

She was reunited with Elvis for Spinout (1966) at MGM and Clambake (1967), at United Artists.

Sam Katzman cast her as the love interest of a young Hank Williams Jr. in A Time to Sing (1968).

TV guest spots
Film roles dried up in the late 1960s and Fabares went back to guest starring on shows like The Ghost & Mrs. Muir, Daniel Boone, Medical Center, Lancer, Bracken's World, and The Interns.

Fabares said she went through a period where she struggled to find work. "I went to bed on Tuesday having worked since I was 3. I got up Wednesday morning and didn't work for four years, went to bed Wednesday night after four years, got up and interviewed for a Mannix episode and started working again. I think this business is very cyclical. You go through busy times and you go through dead times."

After Mannix, she was in Longstreet, Owen Marshall, Counselor at Law, Love, American Style, Rockford Files, McCloud and Cade's County.

"I wasn't a big risk-taker," she said later. "I should have been more aggressive. I was nervous and scared to try something really different."

Fabares had support roles in television film like Brian's Song (1971) (playing the wife of Brian Piccolo, played by James Caan), and Two for the Money (1972). Her performance in Brian's Song earned her a Golden Globe nomination.

The Brian Keith Show, The Practice
Fabares had a regular role on The Brian Keith Show (1972–1974), known as The Little People during its first season, which lasted for 47 episodes.

When the show ended she resumed guest shots: Police Story, Ironside, The Rockford Files, The Rookies, Matt Helm, Medical Story, Marcus Welby, M.D., Barnaby Jones, and Spencer's Pilots.

She had a role in the television film Sky Heist (1975) and from 1976 to 1977 had a regular part on The Practice with Danny Thomas.

Forever Fernwood, One Day at a Time and Highcliffe Manor
She then had a regular role on Forever Fernwood.

In 1978, Fabares played Francine Webster on the CBS sitcom One Day at a Time, a role she reprised for the last three years of the show. "I was Francine, a rather villainous character," she said later. "She was wonderful. She saw the world only through her eyes, and it never occurred to her that other people didn't."

She was also in episodes of Lucan, Vega$, The Incredible Hulk, Hello, Larry, and Fantasy Island.

Fabares was in the television film Pleasure Cove (1979), Donovan's Kid (1979), Friendships, Secrets and Lies (1979) and The Great American Traffic Jam (1980).

She had the starring role in the TV series Highcliffe Manor (1979) but it only lasted six episodes.

1980s
In the 1980s Fabares could be seen on Mork & Mindy, Matt Houston, The Love Boat, Newhart, and Murder, She Wrote.

She did a television film Memorial Day (1983) with Mike Farrell (who would later become her husband), as well as the films Suburban Beat (1985), The Canterville Ghost (1985), Hot Pursuit (1987), and Run Till You Fall (1988).

Coach
In 1989, she won the role of Christine Armstrong Fox on the ABC sitcom Coach. "Here was an intelligent, funny, well-written series," Fabares said "And the people putting it on wanted me to play a very successful, ambitious woman in it."

The series originally struggled in the ratings until it shifted to play after Roseanne. It was a hit and played until 1997.

For her work, Fabares was nominated twice for a Primetime Emmy Award, and, in 1994, she was honored by the Young Artist Foundation with its Former Child Star "Lifetime Achievement" Award for her role as Mary Stone on The Donna Reed Show.

During the series' run Fabares appeared on Love or Money (1990), Deadly Relations (1993), The Great Mom Swap (1995), and A Nightmare Come True (1997).

Later career
After Coach ended in 1997, Fabares voiced the role of Martha Kent on Superman: The Animated Series. She reprised the role twice, once in Justice League and again for the direct-to-video film Superman: Brainiac Attacks (2006).

She was in Playing to Win: A Moment of Truth Movie (1998).

From 2004 to 2011 she produced the Screen Actors Guild Awards.

Personal life
She was born to James Alan Fabares,(1909-1977), who was born in Algiers, New Orleans and Elsa R. Eyler, who died from Alzheimer's disease in 1992. She has an older sister Nanette ("Smokey").

In 1964, Fabares married producer Lou Adler. They separated in 1966 and divorced in 1980. Since 1984, she has been married to actor Mike Farrell.

In October 2000, Fabares received a liver transplant after being diagnosed with autoimmune hepatitis.

Studio albums

 * Shelley! -- Colpix CP-426 (Mono)/SCP-426 (Stereo) -- #106, 7/62
 * The Things We Did Last Summer—Colpix CP-431/SCP-431 -- #121, 10/62
 * Teenage Triangle—Colpix CP-444/SCP-444 -- #48, 5/63
 * Featuring four tracks each by Shelley, James Darren and Paul Petersen

 * Bye Bye Birdie—Colpix CP-454/SCP-454—1963
 * Songs from the movie sung by Shelley, The Marcels, James Darren and Paul Petersen

 * More Teenage Triangle—Colpix CP-468/SCP-468—1964
 * Second compilation featuring Shelley, James Darren and Paul Petersen

Soundtrack songs

 * "Spring Fever" (1965) w/Elvis Presley from Girl Happy (The soundtrack album only features Elvis' vocals)
 * "Make Me Happy" (March 1966) from Hold On! MGM Records
 * "Next Time I Say Goodbye I'm Leaving" (1968) from soundtrack of A Time to Sing (Music From The Original Soundtrack) MCA Records– MCA-1458

Compilations

 * Rare Items And Big Hits Colpix (1989)
 * The Best of Shelley Fabares Rhino R2 71651—1994
 * Shelley Fabares Johnny Angel Collectables #9931 July 2005
 * Shelley Fabares Meets Paul Petersen Collectables Records July 2009
 * Growing Up-The 1962 Recordings Jasmine 2014

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