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OKB

OKB is a transliteration of the Russian initials of "опытно-конструкторское бюро" – opytno konstruktorskoye byuro, meaning 'experiment and design bureau'. During the Soviet era, OKBs were closed institutions working on design and prototyping of advanced technology, usually for military applications. The corresponding English language term for such a bureau's activity is "research and development".

A bureau was officially identified by a number, and often semi-officially by the name of its lead designer. For example, OKB-51 was led by Pavel Sukhoi, and it eventually became known as the OKB of Sukhoi. Successful and famous bureaus often retained these names after the death or replacement of their founding designers.

These relatively small state-run organisations were not intended for mass production of aircraft, rockets, or other vehicles or equipment which they designed. However, they usually had the facilities and resources to construct prototypes. Designs accepted by the state were then assigned to factories for mass production.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, many OKBs became Scientific Production Organizations (Научно-производственное объединение) (NPO). There were some attempts to merge them in the 1990s, and there were widespread amalgamations in 2001–2006 to create "national champions", such as Almaz-Antey to consolidate SAM development.

OKBs in aerospace industry

 * KB-1 – NPO Almaz, Vitaly Shabanov
 * OKB-1 – Korolev today RSC Energia
 * OKB-1 – Dr. Brunolf Baade disbanded by 1953
 * OKB-2 – early name of MKB Raduga (OKB-155-2)
 * OKB-3 – Bratukhin
 * OKB-4 – Matus Bisnovat's Design Bureau (different from NPO Molniya)
 * OKB-8 – Novator (long-range SAMs)
 * OKB-19 – Shvetsov, Soloviev. Now: "Perm MKB"
 * OKB-20 – Klimov, Omsk-Motors
 * OKB-21 – Alexeyev
 * OKB-23 – Myasishchev (also OKB-482)
 * OKB-24 – Mikulin
 * OKB-26 – Klimov
 * OKB-39 – Ilyushin
 * OKB-45 – Klimov
 * OKB-47 – Yakovlev originally, transferred to Shcherbakov
 * OKB-49 – Beriev
 * OKB-51 – Sukhoi
 * OKB-52 – Chelomei
 * OKB-86 – Bartini
 * OKB-115 – Yakovlev
 * OKB-117 – Klimov, Izotov
 * OKB-120 – Zhdanov (surname)
 * OKB-124 – N/A (cooling systems for Tu-121)
 * OKB-134 – Vympel
 * OKB-140 – N/A (first hydro-alcohol starter-generators for Tu-121)
 * OKB-153 – Antonov
 * OKB-154 – Kosberg, previously OKB-296
 * OKB-155 – Mikoyan (formerly Mikoyan-Gurevich)
 * OKB-155-2 – (sometimes designated as OKB-2-155) OKB-155 spin-off in Dubna. Gurevich, Berezniak, Isaev... Now MKB Raduga.
 * OKB-156 – Tupolev
 * OKB-165 – Lyulka
 * OKB-207 – Borovkov and Florov (Borovkov-Florov D, Borovkov-Florov I-207)
 * OKB-240 – Yermolaev
 * OKB-256 – Tsybin
 * OKB-276 – Kuznetsov
 * OKB-296 – renamed to OKB-154 in 1946 KB Khimavtomatika
 * OKB-300 – Tumansky
 * OKB-301 – Lavochkin
 * OKB-329 – Mil
 * SKB-385 – Makeev
 * OKG-456 – Glushko
 * OKB-458 – Chetverikov
 * OKB-478 – Ivchenko
 * OKB-575 – Kovrov
 * OKB-586 – Yangel
 * OKB-692 – JSC "Khartron" (formerly KB electropriborostroeniya, then NPO "Electropribor")
 * OKB-794 – Leninets
 * OKB-938 – Kamov

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Charnel house

A charnel house is a vault or building where human skeletal remains are stored. They are often built near churches for depositing bones that are unearthed while digging graves. The term can also be used more generally as a description of a place filled with death and destruction.

The term is borrowed from Middle French charnel, from Late Latin carnāle ("graveyard"), from Latin carnālis ("of the flesh").

Africa, Europe, and Asia
In countries where ground suitable for burial was scarce, corpses would be interred for approximately five years following death, thereby allowing decomposition to occur. After this, the remains would be exhumed and moved to an ossuary or charnel house, thereby allowing the original burial place to be reused. In modern times, the use of charnel houses is a characteristic of cultures living in rocky or arid places, such as the Cyclades archipelago and other Greek islands in the Aegean Sea.

Monastery of the Transfiguration (Saint Catherine's), Mount Sinai

Saint Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai Peninsula is famous for having a working charnel house. Saint Catherine's was founded by Justinian in the early 6th century on the site of an older monastery, founded about 313 AD and named for Helena of Constantinople. The monastery comprises the whole Autonomous Church of Sinai under the Patriarchate of Jerusalem. The site lies at the foot of what some believe to be the biblical Mount Sinai where Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe Moses received the Ten Commandments.

Since the Sinai Peninsula is an inhospitable place, the brethren of St. Catherine's have struggled to eke out a subsistence-level existence. The difficulty in establishing a large cemetery in the rocky ground notwithstanding, relics are also gathered for temporal and spiritual reasons: a reminder to the monks of their impending death and fate in the hereafter. The Archbishop of Saint Catherine's is commonly the Abbot as well. After death, he is afforded the dignity of a special niche within the "Skull-House".

North America
A charnel house is also a structure commonly seen in some Native American societies of the Eastern United States. Major examples are the Hopewell cultures and Mississippian cultures. These houses were used specifically for mortuary services and, although they required many more resources to build and maintain than a crypt, they were widely used. They offered privacy and shelter as well as enough workspace for mortuary proceedings. These proceedings included cremation (in the included crematorium) as well as defleshing of the body before the cremation. Once the houses had served their purpose, they were burned to the ground and covered by earth, creating a sort of burial mound. Anthropologist William F. Romain in Mysteries of the Hopewell notes that these charnel houses were built in the form of a square, and their diagonals could be aligned to the direction of maximum and minimum moon-sets both north and south.

England
Charnel houses were common in England, primarily before the Reformation. Because they were associated with the Catholic Church, using charnel houses fell out of practice after the Reformation to the point that modern people barely knew they had existed. "Charnelling continued with gusto throughout the late medieval period. However, in the mid-16th century the Dissolution of the Monasteries changed their standing completely. No longer were charnels things of status, instead becoming symbols of close living-dead relations which reflected Popish superstition."

The charnel house at Spitalfields, for example, was in use during Roman times through to the medieval period. "As a large burial ground that was much-used over the space of several centuries, it would not be unusual for old bones to be disturbed when new graves were being dug. These bones would be removed from the ground to make space for newly-buried corpses, and stored instead in the churchyard's charnel house."

During the 1950s reconstruction of St. Bride's Church in Fleet Street, a medieval charnel house was uncovered, "containing an estimated 7000 human remains organised in a chequer-board pattern. Some of the skulls were placed in a linear arrangement, with the remainder of human bones placed in a macabre looking pile of bones."

At the Abbey of Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, around 1300 the abbot requested the "charnel chapel to be built, as an act of piety and charity … of shaped stone, and in future bones could be placed in it or buried under its vaults, and provided with two chaplains to serve this 'most celebrated place'".

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Charnel House

A charnel house is a facility for storing human remains in skeleton form

Charnel House or variation, may also refer to:

 * The Charnel House, a painting by Pablo Picasso
 * The Charnel House (film), a 2016 U.S. dark fantasy horror film
 * Charnel House (publisher), a U.S. horror fiction publisher
 * Charnel House, a poetic graphic novel with art by Tom de Freston
 * The Charnel House, a novel by Eamonn McGrath

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Talk:Gloria (song)

Other versions
Kudos to the author of the Branigan material, but much as I love her "Gloria", it's not the most notable of the many different songs with this title. The Van Morrison song has her beat not only on longevity but also number of cover versions and by Billboard charting (both for the original Them version and several covers!). There's also the Esther Navarro doo-wop tune to consider, which was a hit for The Cadillacs and well-covered by The Manhattan Transfer, among others.

I'm adding some of the raw details of these other versions, but I eventually hope that we'll refactor this article to reflect these three notable versions more equally. — Jeff Q 04:37, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, I've added the additional song material, but in a condensed list form that could use some prose expansion. Not only that, but the condensed info is several times the length of the Branigan material. This might imply an opportunity for separate articles, but for now I would suggest just expanding this one to describe in detail the three best-known versions and mention the others. I doubt that'll make more than one substantial article for the time being. — Jeff Q 06:41, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actually the song og Laura Branigan is a cover of an italian song with the same title, performed by Umberto Tozzi. Snowdog 3 July 2005 02:23 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be part of the disambiguation page for Gloria? --Kristbg 02:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I think this should be a separate page, as it is now. First, it is already larger than the disambiguation page.  Second, music is a specialized topic.  Third, I was looking for two of the songs Gloria and arrived here easily enough, so I don't think people have any trouble finding this material.  Since there hasn't been any discussion in two weeks, I will remove the merge note, but I'm open to more discussion. Hu 05:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Umberto Tozzi song/Laura Branigan song re-separation on disambiguation page and in article
I combined the Manhattan Transfer song mention with the Leon René song on the disambiguation page for Gloria (song) because, despite the addition of other lyrics for the Cadillacs' recording, the sentiment of the song remained the same and so seems to be essentially the same composition.

The Branigan/Tozzi issue is quite different. The Laura Branigan song is not a cover, or—as it is often mischaracterized—a translation, but a distinct lyrical composition from the Umberto Tozzi song in the sense that the lyrics do not tell the same story, or by any stretch of interpretation a similar story, and in fact tell virtually an opposite story.

If someone wishes to take issue with that and elucidate why the different lyrics support a separate mention on the disambig page or even a separate article, one for the original and those covers of that composition and the other for the Cadillacs' revision and those covers of that version, I doubt I would object to that. That is certainly what I proscribe for the Tozzi and Branigan songs, which are infinitely more disparate lyrically.

I will include an expanded version of this point on the Gloria (Laura Branigan song) talk page in the coming day or two. Abrazame (talk) 13:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Little Hatch

Little Hatch (October 25, 1921 – January 14, 2003) was an American electric blues singer, musician, and harmonica player. He variously worked with George Jackson and John Paul Drum.

Biography
Hatch was born Provine Hatch Jr., in Sledge, Mississippi. He learned to play the harmonica from his father. Hearing blues and gospel music, Hatch knew he wanted to make music for a living. When he was 14 years old, his family moved to Helena, Arkansas, and the blues scene there caught his attention.

Hatch joined the Navy in 1943. After his tour of duty, he relocated to Kansas City, Missouri, in 1946. He worked for a cartage company for two years and then founded his own cartage business and married.

In the early 1950s, Hatch began jamming in blues clubs in Kansas City. He closed his business in 1954 and took a job with Hallmark Cards. In 1955, he formed and fronted his own band, playing on the weekends and a few nights a week. This group continued to perform for more than 20 years. By the late 1950s, Hatch's harmonica style became influenced by Chicago blues players such as Little Walter, Snooky Pryor and Junior Wells.

A performance by Hatch was recorded by German exchange students in 1971, and these recordings were released on the album The Little Hatchet Band, but its distribution was limited to Germany and Belgium.

Hatch retired from Hallmark in 1986. His band, Little Hatch and the House Rockers, was hired as the house band of the Grand Emporium Saloon in Kansas City. A cassette tape of his blues performances at the Grand Emporium was released in 1988.

In 1993, the Modern Blues label released Well, All Right!, his first nationally distributed album. In 1997, Chad Kassem opened Blue Heaven Studios and founded the APO label. Kassem had befriended Hatch in the mid-1980s and asked him to be his first signed recording artist. The album Goin' Back was released in 2000, followed by Rock with Me Baby in 2003.

From 1999 to 2001, Hatch occasionally toured other parts of the United States and twice toured Europe. He settled in Kansas City and performed locally, frequently playing at BB's Lawnside Bar-B-Q and other venues.

Hatch died in El Dorado Springs, Missouri, in January 2003.

Discography

 * The Little Hatchet Band (1971)
 * Well, All Right! (Modern Blues Recordings, 1993)
 * Goin' Back (APO, 2000)
 * Rock with Me Baby (APO, 2003)

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Talk:The Edge (1997 film)

Photographic memory
I don't think it was ever said in the film that Charles had photographic memory. From his depiction, it seems a typical case of high-functioning autism. Don Reba (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It is never suggested in the movie that Charles has a photographic memory. It is only demonstrated that his ability to recollect facts is exceptional. --2601:1C0:4402:6A00:F5A0:5788:ED8F:EB4 (talk) 06:22, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Statement to press
The final statement Charles makes to the press (that his friends died "saving his life") is not enigmatic or cryptic but rather an indication that he feels the survival experience he endured with Bob and Stephen profoundly changed him, and his outlook on life. This is also suggested during an earlier discussion he has with Bob before he dies. --2601:1C0:4402:6A00:F5A0:5788:ED8F:EB4 (talk) 06:29, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Themes
The introductory scene in which Charles demonstrates his exceptional memory by revealing his knowledge of the rabbit/panther motif of the Cree indians ties into the final scene of the movie where Charles asks the resort owner, "Why is the rabbit unafraid?" and he replies smiling, "Because he's smarter than the panther." The rabbit represents Charles, the prey, and the panther represents (and partly foreshadows) the bear, who hunts the 3 men after crashing. Of the 3 Charles is most able to handle the situation and respond in an intelligent manner, due to the fact that he is much less fearful of the bear. Why? Because like the rabbit he knows he is smarter. --2601:1C0:4402:6A00:F5A0:5788:ED8F:EB4 (talk) 06:29, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

 * I would say that the "panther" represents Bob, who is the one that is really hunting Charles, and not the bear. Clearly Charles is far smarter than Bob. That is just my opinion. PNW Raven (talk)!

Plot to murder Charles
who all is in on killing charles?
 * Having seen the movie more than once, I am pretty sure Bob and Bob alone planned on killing Charles, and although Charles let Mickey know he was aware of her affair (or fling) with Bob, Charles believed that Mickey was not in on Bob's murder plan, and let everyone at the end believe that Bob died saving Charles' life. --Naaman Brown (talk) 07:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The article says Morse is a "magazine publicist". Shouldn't that be "publisher"? --68.102.156.139 23:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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I am striking this section: Character of Charles Morse Charles Morse is shown to be an extremely intelligent person with an amazing memory. He is kind of an introvert and it seems like he is a little bored in the start of this trip too as no one is giving him company. Bobs even taunts him in the end that the reason Charles is not killing him because Charles never had a buddy. He is aware that all the attention he is getting is because he is a wealthy man. When the motel owner start talking to him; he realises very quickly that the motel owner is looking for funding for his business idea. He is also shown to be well read regarding wide variety of topics including history, customs and wilderness. In the end it was his knowledge and determination that saves him while his friends could not survive. A running theme in the movie is regarding the Prey and Predator. Bear is hunting Charles but the he is smarter than the Bear. Similarly Bob wants to kill Charles for Mickey but Charles know it already and will fight back.

Not only is it poorly written both grammatically and structurally, it cites no sources to back any claims. This is not a plot summary but a personal opinion based on WP:OR and is not supported at WP for film analysis. Maineartists (talk) 12:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Fluidic space

This external link Stellar Cartography - F, which was part of the article, contains nothing not in this article. It is preserved here as a reference.

The following statement, taken from the article: "The term fluidic space, could be in reference to the idea of entire galaxies consisting almost entirely of hydrogen and other gasses. In galaxies such as these, there are no stars, and the gravity of the gasses condense them to such an extent that they take on an almost fluid quality. It is believed that there are a great deal more of these galaxies than ones similar to our own.", - This needs to be sourced/referenced. I've never heard anything about this, nor do I see how this could be. 65.92.152.82 19:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Gasses compressing under gravity is how stars are formed. A gas is a fluid anyway, you don't need to compress it to make it act like one, by definition. --Tango 01:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

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Comparison of email clients

The following tables compare general and technical features of notable email client programs.

General
Basic general information about the clients: creator/company, O/S, licence, & interface.

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Release history
A brief digest of the release histories.

Operating system support
The operating systems on which the clients can run natively (without emulation).

Communication and access protocol support
What email and related protocols and standards are supported by each client.

Features
Information on what features each of the clients support.

General features
For all of these clients, the concept of "HTML support" does not mean that they can process the full range of HTML that a web browser can handle. Almost all email readers limit HTML features, either for security reasons, or because of the nature of the interface. CSS and JavaScript can be especially problematic.

Internationalization
The Bat! supports Email Address Internationalization (EAI).

As of October 2016, email clients supporting SMTPUTF8 included Outlook 2016, mail for iOS, and mail for Android.

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Pax Syriana

Pax Syriana (Lat., "Syrian Peace") is a historiographical term, modeled after the original phrase Pax Romana, used in the study of international relations in Western Asia, usually pertaining to efforts by Syria to influence its neighbors, particularly Lebanon. The idea behind Pax Syriana is that Syria (as it existed during the Ottoman Empire and as it was later partitioned into), through diplomacy and military strength, could secure a role for the United States by its being a necessary ally to ensure peace in Lebanon.

Later references
A later 1976 reference was published in Time magazine in 1976, referring to Syrian efforts to impose a truce during the early years of the Lebanese Civil War. It has recently been used to refer to the period between 1990 and 2005 when there was reduced conflict within Lebanon, usually attributed to Syrian hegemony and military domination in the region. It may be used with emphasis on the relative calm following suppression of the Lebanese Civil War, or on suggestions of Syria's having intentions for annexing or otherwise pacifying Lebanon.

Syrian Lebanese war, 1976
On 4 July 1986, Syrian troops entered West Beirut for the first time since being expelled during the 1982 Israeli invasion. Approximately 500 Syrian troops, working with the Lebanese Army and police, cleared roadblocks, closed militia offices, and collected weapons. In mid-February 1987, however, a new round of fighting broke out in West Beirut, this time between Druze and Shia militias, both of which were regarded as Syrian allies. The combat was described by witnesses as being of unrivaled intensity in twelve years of war, with the militiamen using formations of Soviet-made T-54 tanks that Syria had supplied to both sides. Five days of combat caused an estimated 700 casualties and set much of West Beirut aflame.

Syria acted decisively to stop the chaos in West Beirut, and it seized the opportunity to reimpose its hegemony over the areas in Lebanon from which it had been evicted by Israel in 1982. On 22 February 1987, it dispatched 7,500 troops, configured in two brigades and a battalion, from eastern Lebanon. The Syrian troops, most of whom were veteran commandos, closed down some seventy militia offices, rounded up and arrested militia leaders, confiscated arms caches, deployed troops along the major roads and at Beirut International Airport, established checkpoints, and sent squads on patrol in the streets.

The Syrian Army did not shy away from violence in its effort to restore order to the Lebanese capital. In the first two days of its police operation, Syrian troops shot some fifteen Lebanese of various militias. Then on 24 February a dozen trucks full of Syrian commandos entered the Basta neighborhood, a Shia stronghold, and attacked the Fathallah barracks, the headquarters of the Hezbollah organization. There, Syrian troops killed eighteen Hezbollah militants.

In mid-April the Syrian Army deployed troops south of Beirut. Approximately 100 Syrian commandos, fighting alongside soldiers of the Lebanese Army's Sixth Brigade, occupied key positions along the strategic coastal highway linking Beirut with southern Lebanon and took control of the bridge over the Awali River, near Sidon.

By mid-1987 the Syrian Army appeared to have settled into Beirut for a protracted stay. Lebanon's anomie was regarded by Syrian officials as an unacceptable risk to Syrian security. The government of Syria appeared prepared to occupy Beirut permanently, if necessary. The senior Syrian military commander in Lebanon, Brigadier General Ghazi Kanaan, said that militia rule of Lebanon had ended and that the Syrian intervention was "open-ended," implying that Syria would occupy West Beirut indefinitely. Meanwhile, Syrian officials indicated that thousands of additional Syrian troops would probably be sent to Beirut to ensure stability. Kanaan declared that Syria would take full responsibility for the security of foreign embassies in West Beirut, and he invited foreign missions to return. Kanaan also promised that Syria would expend all possible efforts to secure the release of Western hostages held by Lebanese terrorists.

Other usage
The name of the 2005 film Syriana was apparently inspired by Pax Syriana and the term Syriana as used by Washington thinktanks as per former CIA operative Robert Baer. According to the film's publicity materials, "Syriana" was "a very real term used by Washington think-tanks to describe a hypothetical reshaping of the Middle East." In an online discussion with The Washington Post in November 2005, Syriana director Stephen Gaghan said he saw Syriana as "a great word that could stand for man's perpetual hope of remaking any geographic region to suit his own needs."

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User talk:Mattdj85

Hi. I moved the list of baseball players here. It was in the wrong steroid article. We have an article on anabolic steroids and I would not remove it from that article. I am not censoring you, but would like to keep the discussions of athletic and bodybuilding steroid use in a single article. You might find though that other people might think you need to provide a little support for this list. regards  alteripse 04:47, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Major League Baseball Players That Have Used Steroids

 * Barry Bonds
 * Jason Giambi
 * Gary Sheffield
 * Jose Canseco
 * Ken Camenedi

John Reily Knox
This article that you started has been labeled as a copyright violation. --Howrealisreal 02:40, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Neo Geo Pocket Color

Whoa, that's a lot of numbers
I'd like to concur with the removal of the system specs. While they may be interesting to some people, the fact of the matter is that 99% of the people who read Wikipedia aren't going to have any practical use for all of that information. [[User:Mo0|Mo0 [ talk ] ]] 04:48, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * That's what I think. Way too much tech info that proves to be useless to almost everyone that could end up on that article. Also, it's modifications instructions, whether by emulator or something else. I really don't think that kind of thing belongs here.--Kaonashi 04:55, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently, someone disagrees. Too bad he acts before negotiating first.--Kaonashi 15:58, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Why don't we keep the system specs on the main page as most other videogame console wiki pages, but move the programming information to a new page --Aika 00:13, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

WHAT? It's extremely stupid not to have the technical specs! Do another page if you want. I highly doubt that someone that wants to find information about the Neo-Geo Pocket Color would be a "casual" gamer anyway.

Retail price?
How much did the system cost at launch? Did Neo Geo reduce the price during its lifespan? Also, how much did the games cost (compared to GBA games of the time)?

I remember the system wasn't that much, because, for some strange reason, Sega was still selling Nomads at around $70 and the Game Boy Color was around $60 or so, so I'm remembering paying around $70 I believe.

As for the games, I never paid for that $29.99 new, and Pac-Man was around $19.99 new and came with a little joystick adapter. Coffee5binky (talk) 16:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I added the retail price and the alleged number of launch titles. The price is 100% verifiable, I have still have the receipt, and I have a writeup on it that verifies the 70 list price. The writeup also says there were 20 launch titles, but I don't think I believe that, I seem to recall there were some delays. I scanned the writeup from an old issue of Playboy, don't remember the month but I could probably find it so I could cite it if anyone thinks that's value-added. I also added the different unit colors, it uses the actual marketing names. I got it from another site.

One more thing, it really sucks that the pic for the color unit is the distinctive grey of the mono system, while the page for the mono system has a unit that's more representative of the newer style of the color units. I have a grey JP mono unit, Stone Blue US color unit, and a semi-transparent yellow JP color unit I could take pictures of, again if anyone thinks it's value-added. Boxes too, except for the JP color unit. Maybe I can set up a photo that compares the form factors of the different color units. 12.205.149.45 03:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm the US release date? SNK's press release says August 8, but I've read an article on Gamasutra that states SNK actually ended up starting sales in April. Anyone can confirm this? 12.205.149.45 22:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Barone family?
I've never read, anywhere, magazines or Internet, or just e-mailing SNK, that the "Barone" family controls anything, let alone exists. Should this strange statement be removed and the section re-written?

Also, if I can find it, an old issue of Tips & Tricks has a lengthy editorial about the Neo-Geo Pocket Color and how SNK has bent over backwards for the third parties, only to be snubbed by them in a similar way Dreamcast was snubbed.

Also, the system was released in April 1999 in Japan, and sometime way before the Dreamcast launch in America. I remember having the system a good number of weeks before September 9, 1999. If it was a mere month, then that's one long month!

Coffee5binky (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The Barone family controlled the US are of SNK, They seemed to be left to it and done a poor job! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.14.156.49 (talk) 13:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Cartridge
Games that only supported Neo Geo Pocket Color refused to play if you’re playing on an old monochrome Neo Geo Pocket. Dual mode Neo Geo Pocket Color Games work on all Neo Geo Pocket systems. --73.184.6.244 (talk) 13:36, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Will games that only support Neo Geo Pocket Color stated that a Game Boy Color-like warning message that is require and refused to play on a monochrome Neo Geo Pocket? --73.184.6.244 (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Software Cartridge
Nintendo called them for the Game Boy, "Game Pak" while SNK called them for the system, "Software Cartridge". --73.184.6.244 (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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Jean Armand Charlemagne

Jean Armand Charlemagne (born Bourget (Seine) 30 November 1753 – died Paris 6 March 1838) was a French dramatic author.

Originally intended for the church, he turned first to being a lawyers clerk and then a soldier. He served in the American War of Independence, and on returning to France (1783) began to employ his pen on economic subjects, and later in writing for the stage. He became the author of a large number of plays, poems and romances, among which may be mentioned the comedies M. de Crac à Paris (1793), Le Souper des Jacobins (1795)and L'Agioteur (1796), and Observations de quelques patriotes sur la nécessité de conserver les monuments de la littérature et des arts (1794), an essay written in collaboration with MM. Chardin and Renouard, which induced the Convention to protect books adorned with the coats of arms of their former owners and other treasures from destruction at the hands of the revolutionists.

title: Jean Armand Charlemagne


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British Club

British Club may refer to:

 * British Club (Bangkok), a social club in Thailand
 * British Club (football), a football club in Mexico

title: British Club


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Talk:Jeffrey R. MacDonald/Archive 1

General
"Func," actually, this article contains factual evidence drawn upon from the original trial transcripts, grand jury transcripts, and letters to and from Kassab and other principals in the case, as well as many other factual documents. I believe what you are protesting is that the truth does show MacDonald was the sole murderer. If nothing else, even putting all physical evidence aside, MacDonald has repeatedly demonstrated the consciousness of his own guilt.

Instead of attacking the messenger, why not study the documents and see the truth for yourself? You claim, for example, that Fatal Vision was "pretty much" shown to be a fabrication, when nothing could be further from the truth. Aren't you greatly misleading people about that, when you know as fact that the vast majority of the book is taken directly from court transcripts, polygraph exam results, grand jury testimonies, and MacDonald's own words? You also claim that the crimelibrary website has a "very complete" picture of the case, when in fact, it is completely one-sided, describing few, if any, of the very damaging items of evidence which proved MacDonald's guilt.

It was easy to tell by your original "article" that you were not familiar with many evidentiary items and rulings in the case. That's okay, but why not take the time to study what is known and proven before you put up an "article" so obviously biased towards innocence? In the revised article, for example, you talk about psychiatrists coming to the conclusion that MacDonald was "sane" and "normal," but you fail to say that all the doctors at Walter Reed, with the exception of Sadoff who was hired by the defense, concluded that MacDonald certainly did possess personality traits that could incline him to murder. You mention candle wax (that old, old standby of supporters), but fail to say that some of the wax was birthday-candle-type wax, and that the wax on the underside of the coffee table was found to be old and full of household debris. You praised Fatal Justice without telling the reader of the countless documented factual errors and misrepresentations in that book. How is that unbiased? The revised article is much more factual, and, by the way, contains many of your original statements as well as additional statements that show the other side of the story. You also noted in your link to The Jeffrey MacDonald Information Site that the site contained documents showing MacDonald's guilt, leading the reader to believe that that website is predisposed towards guilt. Yet if you had studied the site, you would see quite a few documents that are favorable to MacDonald. The goal of the owner of that website is to present the factual documents and let the reader make up his or her own mind. If you disagree with the truth, you need to be talking to Jeffrey MacDonald and the witnesses about it...not arguing with those who disagree with you, and not arguing about factual evidence.

To Rhobite: You wrote: "I am reverting due to the many POV issues with 68.230.42.210's version, such as claiming that the judge acted 'rightly', MacDonald was 'justly' convicted, offhand remarks like 'as many murderers do'." I understand you are not familiar with the case, so you may not realize that saying the judge acted "rightly" was not my opinion; it was fact, backed up by the Supreme Court and appeals courts. There has never been any proof that any of the jurors or the trial judge or the prosecution team acted inappropriately; therefore MacDonald can indeed be considered to be justly convicted. And, as I'm sure you know, many murderers who are certainly guilty do claim innocence. However, as a concession to you, I have removed the phrases you were concerned about.

As formerly written, the "article" here presented only one side of many of the issues; the revised article left those comments in but also showed facts pertaining to the other side of the issues. This should serve your readers much better than presenting only one side of the case.

WTF!!!
Who the hell wrote this article, government prosecutor Brian Murtagh??? This article is seriously biased, and needs a complete NPOV rewrite from top to bottom. The website www.crimelibrary.com, which Wikipedia frequently uses as a reliable source of information on crime cases, has a very complete picture of the case, and numerous news articles can be found with quick google searches.

There is no mention of the fact that Joe McGinniss's book "Fatal Vision" has been pretty much proven to be a complete fabrication and act of fraud on McGinniss's part, and the entire article literally sounds like it is speaking with the POV of the (very biased) prosecution. In particular, the article presents "facts" that have not only never been proven, but for which there was never any credible evidence in the first place. There is no mention of the obvious coverups of the Army investgators in the 1970s, of the mishandling of evidence by government officials in the 1980s, and of the FBI's refusal to turn over evidence to the defense team, including materials that can be tested for DNA evidence.

Jeeze... I hate sounding like a conspiracy nut... ;-) but here is a case of very possible judicial impropriately on a massive scale, and the article needs to better reflect this fact. I'll try some editing of it over the next few days, but I don't have as much time to devote to WP as I used to. :(

func (talk) 04:50, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Let's Talk, OK?
Anon User:68.230.42.210 has been repeatly:
 * adding material that does not conform to WP:NPOV
 * deleting other contributor's material, without explaination, here or on their edit summary
 * refusing to discuss their changes, either here on the talk page, or on their on talk page, where I have left two messages.

I would like the anon to understand that this is an encyclopedia, and not a blog. While their opinions will be valued and are indeed requested here on the talk page, they have no place in the article itself. Please respond, so that we can begin to work together to resolve this issue. Thanks, func (talk) 18:49, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Reverting an article more than 3 times during any 24 hour period is against Wikipedia policy, and can result in your being temporarily banned from editing the encyclopedia at all. func (talk) 18:49, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Full disclosure: I came here because Func asked me to. I read both versions of the article and while I'm not familiar with the case, I am reverting due to the many POV issues with 68.230.42.210's version, such as claiming that the judge acted "rightly", MacDonald was "justly" convicted, offhand remarks like "as many murderers do". Guilty or innocent, those types of remarks are inappropriate in any Wikipedia article. Rhobite 21:42, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

More POV problems
Please don't add these claims to the article again: Please read the Neutral point of view policy before continuing to edit. Up to this point you have not followed it. Thanks. Rhobite 16:42, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * "Unfortunately, Potter and Bost chose a "cut and paste" method..."
 * "Potter and Bost also mislead the reader"
 * "However, understandably, they chose not to tell the reader that the gloves were, in fact, oven mitts!"
 * "Yet they do not tell the reader that the reinvestigation was handled flawlessly"
 * "Nor would they want the reader to know that Jeffrey MacDonald..."
 * "Moreover, holes in the pajama top matched holes in Colette's chest, showing that MacDonald stabbed through the top and into Colette as she lay dead or dying on the floor"
 * "Not a single shred of any type of evidence ever surfaced to show that at least six intruders were in the apartment"
 * "...maintains his innocence despite the overwhelming evidence against him and despite having already demonstrated numerous times the consciousness of his guilt."

Revisions
Rhobite, the phrases you referred to have been removed. Also, if I might, I would like to take this opportunity to say that I find it offensive to be told by "Func" that I "refused" to discuss the editing of this article. The fact is that I was not aware, since it is nowhere on the "edit" page that I could see, that it was a requirement that an editor discuss the changes. Additionally, the very first time I saw that there was a message waiting, I immediately clicked to read it and then had to try to figure out how to answer it, so it is wrong of "Func" to suggest that I refused to answer. I also resent the implication that editing an article should result in the editor being banned, since the original article contained virtually nothing but one side of the story and the only changes made were to show the other, factual side of the story, which came directly from trial and grand jury transcripts as well as many other factual documents. Therefore "Func" should have no problem with them. Yet he/she does, because obviously this person wants only one side of the case presented and is not interested in both sides being shown. For example, mistakes by the CID were listed, yet absolutely nothing was said about the reinvestigation which showed those mistakes to be of no consequence. For another example, candle wax was mentioned in the original article, meant to suggest to the reader that "intruders" were present with dripping candles, yet not a word was written showing that some of the wax was consistent with birthday candles, and other wax was found to be old and full of household debris. Actually, the revision left "Func's" statements almost entirely intact, and only contained additions to show the other side of the case. To suggest that someone be "banned" because they present factual evidence which is in opposition to someone else's POV is reprehensible and not what I think this encyclopedia intends to do. I hope the removal of the phrases you mentioned meets with your approval, and I do hope that "Func" can put aside his bias long enough to agree that the revised article does indeed now present both sides of the issues he raised.

 * Hi, I was away for the weekend. I would like to apologize, as I see my manner in approaching you was inappropriate, given that you are new to Wikipedia. I did not mean to suggest that you would be "banned", but rather, that continually changing, and in many cases deleting, other contributor's content without discussion can sometimes result in temporary protection of an article, and in other cases temporary "banning" of an editor. The article is being improved, and I very much appreciate the efforts you have made in this direction. Sorry for coming on so strong... (Wikipedia editing can make people mean, sometimes ;-). func (talk) 16:22, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Links
Please refrain from putting into the Links the false information that The Jeffrey MacDonald Information Site is biased toward guilt. Read the site and you can see that is not true. The site contains factual documents pertaining to the case, including many favorable to MacDonald, and further editing of this link will result in my asking for this article to be locked.

 * I know almost nothing about the case, but I'd say that it's not appropriate to claim that one site contains "factual" information while simply deleting the link to the other site. It could be very biased for us to claim that certain sites are factual. Wikipedia has a neutral point of view policy - this appears to be a violation of that policy. Please review WP:NPOV. Thanks. Rhobite 04:34, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

Link edited
The link for The Jeffrey MacDonald Information Site on this article has been edited to satisfy your requirements, and now reads: "This website presents trial transcripts, grand jury testimonies, depositions, declarations, CID reports, FBI reports, psychological and psychiatric evaluations and other documents pertaining to the case." That should take care of the problem. 04:57, 4 May 2005 SureEnough

Consider the man
I've not always been entirely of one mind regarding this case; given MacDonald's special knowledge as a soldier and a physician it would seem that he would have employed more sophisticated, less evidence-strewn methods to kill the victims had he determined that they should die. Just my 2¢, and I'm probably not the only one who thinks so. knoodelhed 01:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The several theories regarding the possible motives of MacDonald, including the amphetamine theory and the rage theory, posit that MacDonald was not thinking/acting rationally when he committed the crimes. These directly counter the view that "MacDonald didn't do it because he would have done it differently".  Madman 15:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Jeffrey R. MacDonald article should be merged here
Here is another Wikipedia article on MacDonald. In my strong opinion, any additional information from that article not already present in this one should be merged here and that title redirected here. Madman 15:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Untitled

 * See also: Talk:Jeffrey R. MacDonald/Archive 1. knoodelhed 07:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't this statement loaded?
"The "Fire Island Four," a group whom MacDonald had previously come in contact with in an innocent way long before the murders, were most likely the persons MacDonald drew upon when making up his descriptions of the so-called "intruders."" - CS

Fine tuning needed
I had never heard of MacDonald and these murders, so this wikipedia entry was my introduction. Presumably Colette was MacDonald's wife, but she is not introduced and not identified as such. Also, towards the end of the article, there is mention of a military hearing. That is the first time the military hearing is referenced. Where does the hearing fit into the timeline and is that where MacDonald's double jeopardy claims come into play? - Friends Forever? 15:54, 06 March 2006

Another point of confusion
I don't want to sound petty in the midst of much more pressing subject matter, but ... what the hell is "a yard of lumber wood"? A yard of wood as in firewood is a huge, running stack of material, not something you can pick up. It's referred to in the next sentence as one of the three murder weapons, so then are we talking about a piece of lumber? Perhaps apiece that's a yard long? A big stick from the yard? Maybe from a lumber yard? I didn't try to edit for clarity as I don't know enough about the factual details of this case to make a change, but perhaps someone who does can better identify that murder weapon.

Merge discussion
Of course, this article should be merged with Jeffrey MacDonald. Why are we even discussing it? Madman 05:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Overly Contentious
This article seems overly contentious, especially in the discussion of the book "Fatal Justice," where every claim supposedly made by the book is followed immediately by an arm-waving sentence in refutation. Perhaps the book should be allowed its own section, and the refutations should be collected in a subsequent section ... ?

Article Edit
I reversed this edit/addition (below) to the article. I thought some discussion would be helpful before including it. It refers to the claims of Jimmy Friar, an incarcerated individual who came forward during the trial. The defense knew about him, but decided not to call him. Personally, I think this is a dubious claim, one of many related to this case and shouldn't be part of the murder narrative.

"During the night of the murders, a witness mistakenly called Jeffrey R Mcdonald's home, at the time of the murders. The witness had actually meant to call another doctor of the name Jeffrey McDonald. As the witness answered the phone, a woman answered, hystericaly laughing. The witness claimed he could hear a man in the background saying, "What are you doing? Get of the damn phone." This evidence was never reviewed."

please sign your posts with four tildas
I notice there are an awful lot of anonymous edits and posts here. Please remember that even if you do not wish to register an account, you can date-time stamp your posts with your ISP # by typing four tildas (~'s) after your post. It's important to do that so other editors know who said what and when. That way, messages can be left on your talk pages if need be. ThanksLiPollis 16:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I have not touched this page but I'll do that in future when I add to a discussion. 75.19.37.56 02:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Critical Facts Missing
This article has some serious omissions and inconsistencies and serious flaws, which does not present the account as detailed in Joe McGinniss’ book: Fatal Vision, nor in the movie of the same name, which is allegedly based on his book and other credible legal sources. Some of the most serious I will offer a correction.

1. The Wikiarticle states:

''As MacDonald retaliated by beating her with a piece of lumber, Kimberley—whose brain serum was found in the doorway—was struck, possibly by accident. Believing Colette dead, MacDonald carried the mortally wounded Kimberley back to her bedroom. After stabbing and bludgeoning her (Kimberley's blood was discovered on the pajama top MacDonald said he hadn't been wearing while in her room), he went to Kristen's room, intent on disposing of the last remaining witness.''

The elder daughter, Kimberley, is alleged to have overheard her mother and Jeffery fighting and arguing which prompted her to come into the room crying. Jeffery, (the prosecution and the evidence believes), who was already in a “drug induced” rage, raised the 2 x4 (not lumber) over his head which inadvertently struck Kimberley in the head rendering her unconscious. It has never been determined from corner's report if she was actually mortally wounded. Also, the 2 x4 was not merely a "piece of lumber." After the Manson Murders, Mac Donald kept it in their bedroom closet for protection.

The younger daughter, Kristen, was never a witness to McDonald’s alleged crime. Throughout the entire crime she was asleep in her bed. It was determined by the coroner that she never awoke during the fighting. The evidence only determined that Mac Donald entered her bedroom AFTER he realized that Colette was dead, and had garnered the idea of blaming the crime on drug, crazed hippies. An idea he first obtained from inadvertently noticing the front cover of Esquire magazine profiling the Charles Manson LaBianca killings, that had taken place earlier that year (1969). He then (the prosecution theorized) decided to make the killings of the two girls appear as if they were killed by a similar type crazed-hippie group. Thus, the overkill. Kristen was even determined to have been asleep when Mac Donald laid her across his lap and began stabbing her to death.

You also state that during the Army’s Article 32 hearings:

In November 1970, Colonel Rock issued a report recommending that charges be dismissed against MacDonald because they were "not true", and recommended that civilian authorities investigate Helena Stoeckley.

I do not know where you obtained this information, but it is not based on what was presented in Joe McGinniss’ book: Fatal Vision, nor in the movie. According to McGinniss, and the movie, Colonel Rock told Mac Donald outright, that the Army’s findings did not uncover enough sufficient evidence to convict him of the triple murders. Therefore, according his statement, the Amry had no choice but to drop all charges against Mac Donald. Mac Donald, angry, stated to the Colonel that he would have rather that the Army find him “not guilty,” in which the Colonel responded, “we cannot do that.” This outcome of the hearing is what alledgedly anger Mac Donald which led him to begin the very public campaign of discrediting the Army’s investigation. He started by arrogantly discussing the Army’s incompetence on various talk-shows and in other major print media.

BTW: In spite of her drug-crazed state, Helena Stoeckley had repeatedly maintained her innocence throughout the total ordeal. There was never any evidence that she was anywhere near Ft. Bragg or Mac Donald's house during the killings. This was a weak and hopeless strategy employed by Bernie Segel, Mac Donald's charismatic, hollywood-styled lawyer, to bolster the so-called "crazed hippie defense."

However, I think the most glaring omission in the Wikiarticle, is the absolute major and critical role that Colette’s parents, mainly her step father, Mr. Freddie Kasab (spelling?) played in getting the case before a grand jury, and pushing for MacDonald to finally stand trail for the deaths of their daughter Colette and her girls. It was Mr. Kasab, whom in the beginning, originally believed Mac Donald to have been innocent of the crimes, and thought that the Army was simply targeting Mac Donald as the scapegoat because they had botched the crime scene and was not competent to find the “real killers.” It was Mr. Kasab who initially fought with the military, and held very public press conferences stating his dissatisfaction with the military's investigation. He did this to alsp aid in influencing the outcome of the up-coming Article 32 hearing. It was Mr. Kasab who then utilized all of his political connections to win a "no findings" during MacDonald’s Article 32 hearings. It was Mr. Kasab who also testified with the highest love and conviction before the Article 32 board on Mac Donald’s exemplary character as a doctor, attentive father and a loving husband.

Subsequently, the Army was forced to drop all charges against Mac Donald, who was more than ready to leave the past behind and start a new life of fun and leisure surrounded by beautiful women. However, it was Mr. Kasab’s insistence that Mac Donald retrieve the transcripts of the entire article 32 hearing so that he (Mr. Kasab) could comb through every detail to prove to his satisfaction that Mac Donald was innocent, and not just because the Army could not come-up with enough evidence. Once this was accomplished it was Mr. Kasab's intention to push the Amry to go after the "real killers."

In due time, the tide began to turn against Mac Donald, when he kept putting Mr. Kasab off, and making excuses on why he could not obtain the transcripts; and after Mac Donald would agree for a fee, to speak about the case to the press and on talk shows, but not to Mr. Kasab. During the original hearings, it was Mac Donald who had refused to allow the Kasabs to sit in on any of the testimony. He had lied to them and told them that the hearing was for military personnel only. That is why Mr. Kasab did not hear all of the testimonies, the coroner's report, nor Mac Donald's version of the events that took place on the night of the killings. When Mac Donald kept dragging his foot on obtaining the transcripts, Mr. Kasab then became suspicious. After confronting Mac Donald one final time on why he would not obtain the transcripts, Mac Donald blew his top, and thus the enmity and the war began.

Mr. Kasab, finally did obtain the transcripts, and after spending almost one week (without sleep) reviewing them with a fine-tooth comb, he became completely convinced of Mac Donald’s absolute guilt, and spared no expense at using all of his money and connections to bring him to trail. In total it took Mr. Kasab ten years, an enormous amount of money, many painful and sometimes tragic set backs, and even his health, but he persevered and brought Mac Donald to trail where he was finally convicted. The years of fighting to bring Mac Donald before the grand jury, and finally a trail, took its toll on the Kasabs. Both eventually died. Probably from the heartbreak and the stress.

Finally, another major motive the is omitted from the Wikiarticle, is that both Mr. Kasab and the prosecution had speculated could have been Mac Donald’s trigger, was the use of methamphetamines. They speculated that during his medical school years, he was alleged to have been a recreational to heavy meth user. They confirmed this by finding this drug, along with a history of written prescriptions by Mac Donald to himself.

They believed he might have experienced a drug induced psychosis which sent him into a rage. They believed that this might have trigged a long deep-seated rage that he held against Colette. A women whom he only married and probably used her status and parents money to help him through medical school. Once he'd finished his residency, he was not ready to have more children and remain married to her. During the initial investigation by the prosecution, they found tons of evidence of his numerous infidelities during the marriage and immediately following her death.

They also speculated that at the night of the killings, his rage was trigged probably by Kimberley wetting his side of the bed. She often slept with Colette. When he lifted her to place her in her bed, he noticed that she was wet. They believed he then decided at during the course of their argument, to tell Collete that he was going to take on another new position as the sports doctor for a boxer who was due to travel for an event in Cuba, and that he too would be going. They speculate that she then became enraged because he would not be there when their third child was born. It was this event that all agree might have sparked the first blow coming from the hair brush held by Colette.

It would help complete and add more factual clarity to the article if the above information could also be included.

--MWHS (talk) 08:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I just would like to make one final comment. This case has fascinated me from its beginning. From reviewing the wikiarticle and some of the comments, and especially the glaring omission of Mr. Freddie Kasab, it appears that this article could be biased by Mac Donald supporters who have been very aggressive in unsuccessfully trying to obtain his release. It was Mr. Kasab's complete and total devotion in seeking justice for his daughter and grandchildren that Mac Donald rests in prison today. This undeniable fact is the major theme in both the book and in the movie. I was living in Calif. when the Mansion and Mac Donald case broke. I have watched the movie at least half-dozen times, and have kept old articles concerning some of Mac Donald's recent appeals for a new trail, and I have watched some of the rare interviews he has done proclaiming his innocence in news specials. To not mention Mr. Kasab and hailed this man as a champion in seeking justice for his family is truly suspicious to me. --MWHS (talk) 09:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you are mistaken in some of your rememberances of what is in Fatal Vision. Also, I don't find the article to be pro-MacDonald - I think it presents the facts well and without interjecting POV.

Can you point to where Fatal Vision states that the piece of wood used for a weapon was kept by MacDonald because of his fear subsequent to the Manson murders? That's the first I've heard of that and I've read Fatal Vision many times. And also lots and lots of case documentation. The case docuemntation shows that it came from the same wood as used to make Kimberley's bed slats, that it was unfinished, and that its dimensions matched those of the broken master bed footboard, suggesting it was a piece of scrap wood/lumber that was being used to support the footboard of the master bed and that's where MacDonald got it from.

A lot of info in this article comes from case documentation (see references) - I'd rather reference that type of info than Fatal Vision (nothing against Fatal Vision - I think the actual case documents are better for reference). For example, your statement questioning the accuracy of the following sentence from the article: "In November 1970, Colonel Rock issued a report recommending that charges be dismissed against MacDonald because they were "not true", and recommended that civilian authorities investigate Helena Stoeckley." What is in this article is exactly what Col. Rock said in his Article 32 report - see the recommendations section of that report. Also, an Article 32 is the military equivelant of a Grand Jury hearing - "convicting" or finding someone "not guilty" at an Article 32 hearing is never an option - dismissing the charges is and that's exactly what happened. http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/article-32_rock_1970-10-13_p02.html.

If you look at the trial testimony and autospy report of the doctor who performed Kimberley's autopy, he said that the blow she received at the master bedroom door was very severe and likely rendered her comatose - she had severe facial fractures from that blow and her brain serum was found at the door to the master bedroom.

Freddy Kassab. His role is mentioned in this article, although I did update to reflect that he and Mildred filed a complaint against MacDonald. To include more to the extent you suggest - to hail Freddy - I don't agree with that (although I think he was a hero in this case) - it's not an article about Freddy and to include more would be too POV. 165.189.169.190 (talk) 18:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC).

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Hexetidine

Hexetidine is an anti-bacterial and anti-fungal agent commonly used in both veterinary and human medicine. It is a local anesthetic, astringent and deodorant and has antiplaque effects.

Hexetidine is the medicinal ingredient in Sterisol, which is labelled for the symptomatic treatment of: streptococcal pharyngitis ('strep throat'), tonsillitis, pharyngitis, laryngitis, gingivitis, ulcerative stomatitis, oral thrush and Vincent's angina; postoperative hygiene following tonsillectomy, throat or oral surgery. Hexetidine is not the same as Chlorhexidine, another chemical commonly used in mouthwash, or the antimicrobial drug Hexedene (C22H45N3).

In the UK, hexetidine is the active ingredient in the medicated mouthwash branded Oraldene. In Canada, hexetidine was the active ingredient in the medicated mouthwash branded Steri/sol which has been discontinued. It used to be produced by McNeil Consumer Healthcare, a division of Johnson & Johnson (originally Warner–Lambert, then marketed by Pfizer after its acquisition since 2007). Oraldene contains 0.1 g/100 ml of hexetidine. In some European countries, the gargle solution and mouth spray in bottles of 40 ml named Hexoral (by Mcneil) also contains 0.2% hexetidine as its active compound. In Greece it is called Hexalen mouth wash (also available in spray). Hexetidine can also be found in the mouthwash Bactidol (by Mcneil) which is sold in many Asian countries. In Germany, hexetidine vaginal suppositories branded Vagi-Hex are available to be used for vaginal antisepsis. They are also used in late pregnancy for reducing neonatal infectious mortality and morbidity due to group B streptococcal infections; nonetheless, hexetidine is to be used with care during pregnancy, and its vaginal use is counter-indicated in the first three months of pregnancy.

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Talk:Comparison of email clients

Thunderbird: POP3 selected by user
What does this column mean? If it means that a mail client can download a list of message headers and the user chooses which mail bodies he wants to download, then Thunderbird is very well able to do this. --188.99.236.199 (talk) 23:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, when POP3 is selected (by user) then all mail is removed from server when downloaded. Generally even if the provider's default is POP3 Thunderbird auto-selects IMAP (for safety) so that if your machine crashes bad, You don't loose your messages, i.e. they are still on the server. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward27821 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Elm versus Elm Millenium Edition
This table

This table and feature tables are confused between
 * Elm
 * Elm Millennium Edition

For Creator of Elm: Dave D. Taylor, Sydney Weinstein, Bill Pemberton

For Creator of Elm Millennium Edition: Dave D. Taylor, Sydney Weinstein, Bill Pemberton, Michael Elkins, Kari Hurtta

However that table "Release history" gives release of "Elm". Therefore these tables are confused

For Latest stable release of Elm: 2.5.8

For Latest stable release of Elm Millennium Edition: Elm 2.4ME+ PL125 (25)

For Protocol support of Elm: does not include POP3, IMAP4, SMTP (or any of these)

For Protocol support of Elm Millennium Edition: include some POP3, IMAP4, SMTP

For SSL and TLS support of Elm Millennium Edition: supports STARTTLS (IMAP4) or STLS (POP3) commands

For General features of Elm Millennium Edition: Subset of UTF-8 is supported (does not support right-to-left scripts for example), and some have PGP support

/ Kari Hurtta 89.27.50.125 (talk) 09:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Should webmail be here?
Why is the veteran Squirrelmail in the list, but Roundcube and proprietary interfaces (Gmail etc.) aren't? Generally, are webmail applications meant to be in the list or not? --88.73.24.179 (talk) 17:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree, I'd keep strictly desktop e-mail clients, NOT webmail. --Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.185.162 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Roundcube is on the list. I'd say a mail user agent which you can install and host on your server should be on this list. With a 3rd party externally hosted service like GMail et al, you have no guarantee about the feature set, or whether it will be there tomorrow. Jdz (talk) 22:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC) ik'

notmuch and sup
I understand these are very popular "up & coming" command-line email clients. Would any users care to add them to this list? Thanks. Jdz (talk) 22:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Hi, Jdz, I have drafted articles for Notmuch, Archivemail, User:Zazpot/Grepmail, and User:Zazpot/Mairix, but it seems that Notmuch is Articles for deletion/Notmuch not (yet) notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Want to help me merge those drafts into an article about mailbox search utilities? Such an article could potentially also serve as a wikilink target for those among these utilities (e.g. Notmuch) that (a) can also serve as email clients, and (b) would therefore be suitable for inclusion into Comparison of email clients? zazpot (talk) 15:05, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

MS Outlook and PGP
Outlook is marked as not supporting PGP whereas the facts are it does not natively but does via a plug-in. Given that multiple other mail clients are marked as supporting but via a plug-in should not the Outlook entry be corrected?BernTH (talk) 06:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

mutt
The displayed release history for mutt is out of date. The latest version is: "Mutt 1.5.21 was released on September 15, 2010." (See: http://www.mutt.org/ )

I tried editing the mutt section on the wikipedia page, but the interface was unusable, due to the information not being contiguous enough to find the relevant text, despite having found the start of the mutt text. If someone knows how, and cares enough for accuracy, please whack it in.

The only way I found to create this new topic block was to hack another, and mimic its heading. I wonder if that is the preferred method?

Erik Christiansen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.98.203 (talk) 13:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

 * (Rearranged this page to chronological order.)
 * There is a tab "New section" (next to "Edit") on top of the page to start a new topic.
 * The release must be changed in Template:Latest stable software release/Mutt; done.
 * -- Ajv39 (talk) 14:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Reverted to original version 1.4.2.3. Version 1.5.21 is a development version, not a stable version.
 * -- Ajv39 (talk) 14:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

webmail versus email clients
Webmail, like squirrelmail, Thunderbird (most of the list) are not email clients. They talk to email ports on an email server but are http clients. This substantially changes their risk profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.236.19 (talk) 19:43, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

PGP / SMIME ATmail
ATMail does not support PGP nor S/MIME — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.38.60.171 (talk) 02:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

What happened to OUTLOOK EXPRESS?
AND WHY pray tell does the article table never mention Outlook Express (although the archive DOES!), an bundled part of most MS Windows releases. Not everyone is a rich brat able to upgrade computers sooner (or get mummy and daddy to pay for such) than every eight or ten years. Most people buy a car sooner Lot's of remote places around the English speaking world, much less the third world, where buying fuel or food is a much higher priority than replacing a perfectly functional tool with the latest newer and better or best model. Try the outback of Australia, India, much of rural North and South America. The worship of the new over the tried and true is a characteristic flaw of the young and inexperienced, not the 'twice burned, you're not going to fool me again' crowd. A computers longevity is solely limited to whether it still services a need and keeps on running it's compatible software. Unless you're a 'video gamer', a perfectly old P4 machine (y: 2000) will do you fine for the next ten years. So will Outlook Express.

The P4 given enough base memory yawns at internet browsing, and plays videos... if you have no need for fancier 64 bit software, like a car, it's unwise to replace. A good computer edition is like an steady old reliable friend.
 * A new one is a net loss to the family's net worth much like the definition/trick question of " What do you get when you buy a boat :"
 * The Answer: A hole in the water you throw money into.

 * A new computer needs a new software suite. That's a big additional investment. An older computer can run it's software until Hell freezes over, if it stays alive. You acquire all that expensive stuff the next two years, then stay comfortably mellow. It's kids-think to always want a new shiny toy, or people that have a rich person's budget. Most of your readers haven't the means to get new and shiny more often than they buy a car, if that. We'd all like to be well to do or better. The reality is that 80% of the college educated crowd barely get buy paycheck to paycheck in their better neighborhoods than the 80+% of American's who never have college, nor want, so live in lesser neighborhoods, with lesser remunerative salaries, and get buy, like the mid-middle class, pretty much paycheck to paycheck, with a struggle to save at all.
 * In short, the article is biased by 'inexperienced and narrow think' -- not mentioning a common package like that makes you all crazy, dumb, biased or really inexperienced.
 * Outlook Express needs put back in the article. // Fra nkB 23:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

International email
The topic International email as written, states that standards are in "preparation". That is, there is no agreed-upon standard for what a client would do precisely to satisfy this label. That being, cites in this section look more like advertising than stating facts TEDickey (talk) 22:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to see a column in the general features table for EAI support. For example gmail (I realize not relevant to the self-hosted/hostable email clients, but there aren't many examples) supports both localpart/EAI for example "دگ@" as well as IDN domain names (برت.com). Thunderbird (68) only supports ASCII local parts (برت@دگ.com fails), but does support IDN domains (dg@برت.com works). Valid entries in an EAI column might be "YES" "IDN only" "No" and "?" (I suppose it is possible a client could support EAI mailboxes but not IDN domain names, but I doubt any will).

I found some fairly clear guidance for client support at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/UASG019B-Email-Address-Internationalization-A-technical-perspective.pdf and for server support at https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/132940436/Configuring%20EAI%20-%20African%20Association%20of%20Universities%20EAI%20webinar%20-%2016Nov20.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1608023031000&api=v2 DGessel (talk) 00:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Missing from the article: Incredimail
I use several email clients, one of which is called Incredimail and is missing from the list. Is there a reason for omitting Incredimail?

This software is only suitable for Windows computers, users are able to create email messages which include sound and (animated) images. Whilst the software can be used for free it is also possible to buy an unlock code which adds extra features, such as the ability to download just the message headers and then choose which full messages to download / which to delete, etc. Simon Spsmiler (talk) 11:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Incredimail should, indeed, be included in the article. It has a high rating and is ideal for sending cute messages. However, some paste functions do not work. I used it for many years on a Win98 machine and was quite satisfied. Edward27821 (talk) 01:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Incredimail has been added to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_email_clients#Graphical Edward27821 (talk) 01:33, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

What about AOL?
IS AOL an email client? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.1.227 (talk) 02:25, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

No. AOL is an e-mail provider. With correct configuration clients can access imap/smtp.mail.aol.com with few issues. AOL is two of my accounts that I access with Thunderbird and one with SeaMonkey. Edward27821 (talk) 00:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Portable availability
There should probably be a column indicating the availability of portable versions of the programs. People like to keep their email on a flash-drive these days, so portable versions are in high demand now. Synetech (talk) 17:12, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

My opinion only: Portability should not be an issue. Simply using IMAP settings instead of POP3 leaves the messages on the server. This allows users to access their e-mails from almost any device.Edward27821 (talk) 01:14, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Page needs updating
A lot of recent email clients are missing: Airmail, Unibox, Post Mail, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chipotle (talk • contribs) 21:34, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Support for acknowledgment and priority
I went on this page for searching a e-mail client for android which support setting acknowledgment and priority but it looks like acknowledgment and priority support arenʼt compared. 92.103.102.2 (talk) 10:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Android & iOS clients?
These platforms have been popular for several years now & the userbase is large so I feel that it would be useful to add the relevant columns to the tables now 20:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.119.101 (talk)

Real Cross Platform Email Clients : PC-Mac/Apple-to Cellphones-Android-IOS?designation?-Windows Phones
Agree w last comment I found, 9/17/15 I believe this needs to be updated - prospective apologia sua keyboarding as I can't seem to spell or write in complete sentences today -- But the update should, I believe be expanded to include true or all inclusive email clients - windows phones now running flavors 8.1 and Windows 10, but also Android based phones, and Apple iPhones (my apologies if I misspelled or distorted anybody's brand name or O/S designation.

Many friends and relatives have gone entirely to smartphones and phablets (such as the Samsung Galaxy Notes 3, 4. and recently 5)and now there's also the Blackberry reincarnation -- the Windows based and Apple based iPhones seem to used mobile versions of their operating systems and their mobile versions of email clients, but Samsung, Moto, and other Android based systems send and receive email, but also IM and text. Some people I know, much more facile, switch from one to the other depending on "To Whom" they are responding -- several people have described having to send a automated text or an automatic IM to a spouse, significant or insignificant other, or a 'good friend' someone persistently emailing them at work or at meetings communicating, "I AM AT WORK - WILL CONTACT YOU LATER." a few even add, "do not IM, text, or email me again at risk of ____________" with choices depending on individuals involved.

So computing has gone portable and mobile as well as that phase of communicating which is still email based.

These are the reasons I believe this section on email clients needs to be updated, expanded, and perhaps retitled/repurposed?

Thank you. Dergrunner (talk) 21:45, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Merger proposal
As has already been suggested its talk page, on I propose that List of email clients be merged into this article. All the types of information in List of email clients are included here, so maintaining a separate list is not useful. MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:09, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I would support the merger of the articles since maintaining two is more trouble then then merging them. FockeWulf FW 190 (talk) 20:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Da. A list is a list is a list, but no real information. Merge them. 124.171.245.136 (talk) 09:23, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Support merge; list page has no further useful information, and comparison page is not so large as to hamper readability. — JFG talk 06:43, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

What about EssentialPIM?
http://www.essentialpim.com It's a pretty full featured POP3 and IMAP4 client, it's been around for a number of years and is still currently supported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccdrop (talk • contribs) 06:34, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Well Done Mr Ollie
G'day sport. Of course, all lists must be cleaned from time to time.

Now, please tell us what criteria you used, if it wasn't some short-sighted dislike of red-linked reference pages?

I did indeed look through this talk page to see if any discussion had taken place. "Discussion" is the thing you do when you have a major edit in mind, like a "List Clean". You removed information which at least some people may still be looking for. Now I am in the position that I can safely say your action was no less than simple trolling. Unfortunately I cannot simply push "Undo" as too many intermediate edits have happened.

So now I must tediously work through adding back many of the clients you deleted in bad faith. And I must also NOW call for an ADMIN to look at your selfish and self-serving vandalism. If you do not like any of the clients on this page that is your burden: we need not and will not carry it for you. I will be monitoring this page for some months now, and I will revert any such cleanup or other mass vandalism imediately I find it. 124.171.245.136 (talk) 06:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 * You appear to only edit the page twice. When did you "tediously" adding back of it though? NgYShung  huh? 06:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Look again. 124.171.245.136 (talk) 07:40, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 * I removed the list entries with no corresponding Wikipedia article. I did this per the statement at the top of the article ('Please see the individual products' articles for further information.') Myself and other users have been doing periodic cleanings to these criteria for years. It was discussed briefly on article talk here: Talk:Comparison_of_email_clients/Archive_1. If you feel you need to consult an admin, you can find some at WP:ANI. If you edit war to keep nonnotable entries in as you suggested above, I may find myself submitting a report there even if you do not. - MrOllie (talk) 13:07, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * the edit-then-revert vandalism, for what it was worth was to drive up the edit count. High edit counts=experience.  VegasCasinoKid (talk) 01:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the good old'e Editcountitis. NgYShung  huh? 06:58, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Windows Mail Update
This article needs updating to reflect that Windows Mail is now currently actively developed again, ever since it was released in Windows 8 (in 2011 or 2012) & 10. Since it probably differs w/ the older version (for Windows Vista) w/ respect to most of this article's comparison criteria, maybe the older version should be left alone & new distinct Windows Mail (for Win. 8 & 10) entries added.104.178.189.70 (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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Comparison of PGP and S/MIME support?
New table for comparison of encryption support? --59.93.202.121 (talk) 06:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Single versus Multiple Accounts/Postboxes
This basic point is totally missing. --Itu (talk) 15:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Umuse
Currently In beta

https://umuse.io/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.95.240 (talk) 13:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

OE Classsic & RunAsXP
Obviously both OE Classic and Run As XP are missing in the List. What about them? --ProloSozz (talk) 07:23, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Virtual Folders and adding Postbox and Pandora
Virtual Folders Ritlabs- TheBat! is very strong. (I have dozens in my Bat.)

Thunderbird-Postbox (not on list) definitely, by saved search. Seamonkey probably, since, like Postbox, afaik it is a fork on a Thunderbird code base. See - https://www.lifewire.com/folder-organization-thunderbird-1173118

Afaik, Eudora does not have virtual folders in any way, yet it is marked yes. I am a long-term Eudora user.

And I am a little skeptical about Mailbird, Em Client, and the Opera ("all folders are virtual") entries. Also Pegasus, Poco and Zimbra. Maybe so, but since Eudora was called yes, all should be checked. I will do what I can, only working with Windows clients.

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Two Additions Recommended: Pandora should be on the list, new, a modern Eudora-style attempt, maybe in Beta or out, but it does work and has support. Postbox as well, established now as an independent client.

StevenAvery.ny (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Missing feature columns
These options are missing in separate columns in the tables - please add them ... --ProloSozz (talk) 09:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Which mail clients show both sent and received columns? (Microsoft email clients do - but many others (like Thunderbird, Sylpheed, Claws, OEClassic) do not; they just show a single column "date".
 * Which mail clients support two step deleting process by "strike through & purge" (and not only by "move to trash & empty trash")?
 * Which mail clients have the option to not mark a mail as read when selecting in preview pane?
 * Which mail clients can go directly to the last mail at the bottom of the list when the date is set ascending (and not descending?

These options are useful for projects that rely on plaintext mail for collaboration. -- Shemminger (talk) 18:57, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Which mail clients support plaintext mail correctly (see https://useplaintext.email/)?
 * Which mail clients preserve (good) or reformat (corrupt) plain text email? Email clients that modify the mail look better, but make them unsuitable for use on projects that send patches for review.

Import/Export eMail Credentials (Account Settings)
Which eMail clients allow import/export of eMail credentials (account settings)? The functionality allows to export (save into a file) of the eMail account settings into a file and then reimport it into another installation of the client. This allows a fast configuration of an eMail client with a bunch of eMail accounts on several computers. Btw: MS Outlook Express, MS Outlook, MS WinMail Vista allow this and save the credentials into an .iaf-file. Btw: the format of the .iaf-file of Outlook Express is not the same as for WinMail Vista; import of .iaf-files from OE is possible in WinMail Vista, but not vice versa. A second question would be if there is interoperability between different formats of such credentials files? Please add an appropriate column. --ProloSozz (talk) 09:46, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

JMAP?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON_Meta_Application_Protocol links to this page, but this page doesn't tell me what clients support JMAP. Can this be added as a column next to IMAP/POP/MAPI? 2403:5804:C6:0:0:0:0:ADD (talk) 10:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

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Chater House

Chater House is an office tower in Central, Hong Kong. Opened in March 2003, it is a part of the Hongkong Land portfolio of properties. It has a three-level retail podium, known as Landmark Chater. The building was built on the site of the former Swire House, and was named after Sir Paul Chater. The building faces streets on three sides: Chater Road, Pedder Street and Connaught Road Central.

Plot history
There were three buildings on the site between 1905 and 1958, namely Mansions Building (Hotel Mansions, later renamed Union Building), King's Building and York Building.

Union Building

Following the Praya reclamation of 1890–1904, a building was constructed and opened in 1905, that served as offices of Canadian Pacific Ocean Services (G/F) and Hong Kong, Canton & Macao Steamboat Company (1/F).

This building was acquired in 1921, and used as its headquarters by the Union Insurance Society of Canton Ltd., and then became known as Union Building.

It was bought by The Hongkong Land Company in 1946, and was demolished in 1950. Hongkong Land later acquired the adjacent King's Building and demolished it in 1958 to complete the Union House complex.

King's Building
King's Building was built in 1905 and was for some time home to Marconi Wireless. The building was located along Connaught Road, next to the Union Building. It was demolished in 1958.

York Building
York Building was built in 1905 and demolished in 1958.

Swire House
The 23-storey building, initially called Union House, was completed in 1962, and had a total floor space of 34,000 square metres (370,000 sq ft). in the 1970s, the Swire Group, gained naming rights for the building, which was renamed Swire House in 1976. In 1997, the main tenant of the building was Cathay Pacific, which occupied about 30% of the floor space. Other tenants included other Swire group companies, including Swire Pacific and Swire Industries. Swire House was demolished on 5 October 1998.

Chater House
The site was again redeveloped by Hongkong Land when the new Hong Kong International Airport opened in 1998. The building's main tenant, Cathay Pacific, relocated to Cathay City when the airport moved to its new site at Chek Lap Kok, while Swire Group moved to Pacific Place in Admiralty.

Chater House has a total floor area of 438,500 net sq.ft. (498,000 sq ft. gross), was designed by architects Kohn Pedersen Fox. It was originally configured into 30 floors – 474,000 net sq. ft – of office accommodation above a three-level retail podium of 45,000 net sq.ft. (81,000 sq ft. gfa) and a three-level basement, which includes 112 parking spaces. When the project was announced, in 1997, the estimated cost was HK$2.3 billion, and would complete in 2003. Architecture firm Aedas were the architect for the Chater House. The main contractor was Gammon Construction.

The building is linked to the Central Elevated Walkway, also owned by Hong Kong Land.

In 2014, the display of Antony Gormley's art installation Event Horizon at Chater House was cancelled when US investment bank JPMorgan, which has offices in the building, asked Hongkong Land – the sponsor of Event Horizon – to cancel its support for the show after bank employee Dennis Li Junjie jumped to his death from the building's roof.

Tenants
The main tenant of Chater House is JPMorgan, who have their Asia Pacific headquarters in the building. Other current tenants include Franklin Templeton Investments, Jane Street and previous tenants include the Securities and Futures Commission.

Previously the Hong Kong Institute of Surveyors was headquartered in the Swire House.

Nearby buildings

 * Jardine House
 * Exchange Square
 * Mandarin Oriental (formerly Queen's Building)
 * Alexandra House
 * Prince's Building
 * The Landmark
 * Cheung Kong Center
 * HSBC Building
 * Standard Chartered Hong Kong
 * Three Garden Road
 * World-Wide House
 * Wheelock House
 * Hang Seng Bank Headquarters Building

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