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User talk:Othello

Hello -- I hope this works :-)

Please see how the link I just posted to Sylvester Graham matches up with your source book.

Thanks! EggplantWizard 21:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank YOU Mr. EggplantWizard! But that source isn't dubious at all: It is quite accurate, and a very good resource for me. And thank you for not deleting me as an article! Otto 22:07, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ergh. heh.
Sorry about the almost-deletion -- don't really know what I'm doing in full yet. Makes sense that user namespace is actually *you* and User talk: your message page. Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. EggplantWizard 22:11, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

-->I am not deleted, therefore I am...--Otto 22:18, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Sylvester Graham
Hi, Otto, and welcome to Wikipedia :) I hope you enjoy yourself here, and, if you're anything like me, you'll probably find yourself addicted in no time (if you aren't already ;) ). Regarding your question about Sylvester Graham, I really respect and admire that you made sure what you were adding was correct, thank you very much for that. I looked up what you wrote, and it seems to me like the real year he was ordained was 1826(britannica 1911). Thanks again for checking up on this, although your reference does seem trustworthy, seeing as it's from Oxford, mistakes sometimes happen. The new britannica also has it, but you won't be able to see it on the web, since they make you pay. If you look at the summary on google (it's the second from the bottom), you should see "Graham became a Presbyterian minister in 1826". I've changed the date, and added Britannica as a reference (since it seems to be the most trustworthy of all the sources I found).

Cheers, Frazzydee|✍ 23:40, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem, it's my pleasure :) There's a WikiProject called WikiProject Fact and Reference Check that aims to cite as many articles as possible. We really need people to help out with this.  I'm not the coordinator, we don't have one (well, not yet anyways).  There is a guideline for citing your sources at Cite sources.  The WikiProject is not as active as it used to be, and a lot of people's interests have waned.  I plan to try and revive it over the weekend.

 * I hope I answered all your questions! If not, feel free to slap me on my talk page, and I'll come back and answer anything I missed :) -Frazzydee|✍ 03:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the site :) I've heard of bookrags before, but I didn't know they had biographies too...unfortunately I'm a cheap little bastard ;) and I don't like to pay for things. Although I haven't seen any of their biographies, I think Wikipedia would probably be more exhaustive on...well, pretty much everything.  The wiki is my god ;) See ya around! -Frazzydee|✍ 03:28, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * heh, caught me there. I guess I would've prefixed 'self-proclaimed' and it would source itself (or I could just link to the history)...but I generally don't bother much on user talk pages unless I'm talking about a specific article ;) -Frazzydee|✍ 02:12, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fact-checking & articles needing citations
Heh, I'd say just keep doing what you are doing. Adding citations is the single most important thing Wikipedia needs now that it doesn't have. Just keep trying to find the most reliable resources possible. My worry with using online sources is their reliability is often dubious. But if you take facts straight from the most reliable source, you won't need to worry about someone fact checking your citations. So yes, just dig in and go for it, and try to follow conventions as you go, but don't lose any sleep over that part. Any mistakes you make will either be pointed out to you or fixed eventually. - Taxman 13:01, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, and check out my list of featured articles with possible references problems. Featured articles are supposed to be Wikipedia's best so not having cited sources on those is a serious problem. If you would like to start somewhere, start with those. - Taxman 15:24, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

John Money
Hi, Otto,

I just saw your note on my talk page. Anything you want to add/change on that article is o.k. with me. I tried to follow the link you left for me, the last one, that is. It didn't work. But anyway, if you are only giving links to what somebody else has on their website you aren't breaking anybody's copyright. It's the responsibility of the person whose site you are linking to. If he does break somebody's copyright he will be the one to get in trouble.

Thanks for your kind words, but I think the good parts of that article may have come from other people at least as much as from myself. P0M 02:24, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Bible translations into Welsh

Parts of the Bible have been translated into Welsh since at least the 15th century, but the most widely used translation of the Bible into Welsh for several centuries was the 1588 translation by William Morgan, Y Beibl cyssegr-lan sef Yr Hen Destament, a'r Newydd as revised in 1620. The Beibl Cymraeg Newydd ("new Welsh bible") was published in 1988 and revised in 2004. Beibl.net is a translation in colloquial Welsh which was completed in 2013.

15th century version
Several 19th-century sources quote the story that a translation from the Latin Vulgate was in existence in 1470 (it is said that the 16th-century Bishop Richard Davies claimed to have seen, as a boy, such a translation in a manuscript at Celydd Ifan, the house of an uncle; and another writer asserts that part of this private manuscript survived until the nineteenth century ). However, Professor Glanmor Williams dismissed the idea that the whole Bible had been translated into Welsh before William Morgan's Bible appeared in 1588.

William Salesbury, 1567
Following the English Reformation, translations were made directly from the Greek versions. In 1551 Salesbury was responsible for the publication of the first substantial portion of the Scriptures to appear in Welsh, entitled Kynniver llith a ban, which was a translation of the Gospels and Epistles appointed to be read in Church on Sundays and Holy-days.

(Full title: Kynniver llith a ban or yscrythur lan ac a ddarlleïr yr Eccleis pryd Commun y Sulieu a'r Gwylieu trwy'r vlwyddyn: o Cambericiat W.S. "As many lessons and verses from the holy scriptures as are to be read [in] church at the time of Communion on Sundays and holy days through the year: from the Welsh translation of William Salesbury")

In 1563 a law was passed in the name of Queen Elizabeth I (5 Eliz. 1. c. 28), which instructed the Anglican Bishops in Wales and Hereford to arrange for the Bible and the Book of Common Prayer to be translated into Welsh. The work was accomplished by Richard Davies, Bishop of St David's, his cantor Thomas Huet, and William Salesbury. They worked at the Bishop's palace in Carmarthen, where they translated the New Testament from Greek. The First Epistle to Timothy, Hebrews, James, and 1 and 2 Peter were translated by Richard Davies, and Revelation was translated by Thomas Huet. However most of the work was by William Salesbury.

William Salesbury translated the Book of Common Prayer from English, which was published, together with his translation of the Psalms from Hebrew, on 6 May 1567. The New Testament was issued on 7 October 1567. They were both published by Humphrey Toy and printed in London by Henry Denham.

In 1850 Robert Griffith, a bookseller in Caernarfon, published a new edition of Salesbury's New Testament which was printed in Caernarfon by James Rees and probably edited by the clergyman, Isaac Jones (1804–50). This was faithful to the original but the orthography was updated, and it was printed in a modern font to make it easier to read.

William Morgan, 1588
Salesbury's New Testament was followed by William Morgan's translation of the whole Bible in 1588, Y Beibl cyssegr-lan sef Yr Hen Destament, a'r Newydd. Morgan soon began work on a revision (or on a new translation) of his 1588 Bible, which had contained a number of printing errors; he revised Salesbury's New Testament and Psalms, and completed the rest of the books of the Old Testament and the Apocrypha.

In 1821 Richard Jones published a new edition of William Morgan's Bible which was printed in Dolgellau. This was faithful to the original but the orthography was updated, and was printed in a more modern font to make it easier to read.

Parry revision, 1620
After Morgan's death, Bishop Richard Parry and Dr John Davies continued the work with the aims of polishing the literary language, replacing forms considered too colloquial, and bringing the text into greater conformity with the King James Version of the English Bible of 1611. The revised version of the Bible was published in 1620. This edition is still known as William Morgan's translation, and it is this rather than the previous edition which was the standard Welsh Bible until the late 20th century, and continues to be used to this day. It occupies a similar place in the Welsh language to that of the venerated King James Version in English.

The early Bible editions were large volumes intended for use in churches; in 1630 a smaller edition called "Y Beibl Bach" ("the little bible"), intended for use in the home, was published, thus bringing scripture in Welsh into the hands of the laity.

An original copy of the Welsh Bible is displayed in St Asaph Cathedral, in St Asaph, North Wales. It was used at the investiture of Prince Charles as Prince of Wales in 1969.

The translation of the Bible into Welsh was important to the survival of the Welsh language. It had the effect, along with the Welsh translation of the Book of Common Prayer, of conferring status on Welsh as a liturgical language and a vehicle for worship. This in turn contributed to the language's continued use as a means of everyday communication down to the present day, despite the pressure of English.

The edition of the William Morgan Bible used today uses the modern orthography (spelling), updated by Professor Henry Lewis (1889-1968). He completed the New Testament in 1936 and the rest of the Bible in 1955. It was printed by the British and Foreign Bible Society as "Y Beibl". He completed the Apocrypha in 1959, and this was printed by the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge as "Yr Apocrypha". These have now been digitised by the Bible Society and are included in their app called "ap Beibl".

The most recent editions of the William Morgan Bible (1955 edition) were printed by the Trinitarian Bible Society using the 1955 orthography.

William Middleton psalms, 1596
William Middleton, also spelt Midleton and Myddleton, was born about 1550 at Llansannan, Denbighshire in north Wales. From 1589 Middleton worked as a ship's captain for his cousin, the merchant Sir Thomas Myddelton. Meanwhile, he worked on his dream of translating the psalms into the strict, traditional Welsh poetic style of cynghanedd, using a variety of metres. In 1595 he published Rhann o Psalmae Dauyd, a Phrophwyti eraill gweddi i kynghanedhu\ in London.

Then he set sail with Sir Francis Drake and Sir John Hopkins, as captain of the Salomon Bonaventure in their abortive expedition to capture Panama city. He completed his version of the psalms on 24 January 1595 (now 1596) whilst anchored at the uninhabited island of Scutum (today called Isla Escudo de Veraguas), off the coast of Panama. He called his psalms Psalmae y Brenhinol Brophwyd Dafydh. Middleton returned from Panama in 1596 and died shortly after his return at Falmouth in Cornwall.

William Middleton's psalms were dedicated to his cousin Sir Thomas Myddelton who lived at Chirk Castle in Denbighshire. In 1602, after William Middleton had died, his cousin Thomas Myddleton advanced £30 to print the psalms. The psalms were collected by Thomas Salisbury, who also published other items in Welsh. In 1603 he had them published in London by the printer Samuel Stafford, as: Psalmæ y brenhinol brophvvyd Dafydh: gwedi i cynghanedhu mewn mesurau cymreig. Middleton's psalms were the first full metrical Psalter in Welsh, and the only one in full cynghanedd.

Middleton's psalms remained at the British Library, where they came to the attention of Walter Davies. Rev. Walter Davies (1761-1849) was a Welsh poet, editor, translator, antiquary and Anglican clergyman, born in Llanfechain, Montgomeryshire. He studied at Trinity College, Cambridge, where he received his M.A. in 1803. As a poet he used the bardic name of Gwallter Mechain. In 1807 he became vicar of Manafon, where he remained for 30 years and did most of his literary work. From there he wrote an introduction (Y Rhagymadrodd) to the Middleton psalms in January 1827, and explained about their poetry. He arranged for them to be published by Robert Jones in Llanfair Caereinion in Montgomeryshire in 1827. He reprinted them as Psalmau Dafydd: wedi eu cyfansoddi ar amrywiol fesurau cerdd, gan Y Cabden William Middleton. This was called the Second Edition (Ail Argraphiad).

Edward Kyffin metrical psalms, 1603
Edward Kyffin was born in Oswestry in about 1558. He attended Jesus College, Cambridge, but it is thought that he did not graduate. He was ordained an Anglican deacon in London in 1585 and a priest in Bangor in 1590. He was a curate at St Martin Outwich in London. He died in 1603, probably in London from plague.

Whilst in London Kyffin enjoyed singing the psalms in the Church of England tradition. He wanted to translate the Welsh psalms into metre, so that they could be sung as the English metrical psalms were. It is believed that he versified around 50 of the psalms from William Morgan's Welsh translation, but only a handful have survived. The surviving psalms were collected by Thomas Salisbury. In 1603 he had them published in London by the printer Samuel Stafford, as: Rhann o Psalmae Dafydd Brophwyd - iuu canu ar ôl y dôn arferedig yn Eglwys Loegr. This includes 12 full psalms and the first 5 verses of Psalm 13. These are set in 4 line stanzas, set to the traditional Welsh poetic style known as awdl gywydd.

In his introduction Kyffin argues that his work was merely an experiment, to motivate others to do a better job. The metrical psalms were published side by side with the biblical psalms, with Kyffin's psalms in black letter Gothic type on the left and William Morgan's psalms in plain type on the right. The text included a preface to the reader (At y Darllenudd) from Edward Kyffin.

Kyffin's psalms were republished in 1930 by the University of Wales Press in Cardiff when it was entitled: Rhann o Psalmae Dafydd Brophwyd - I’w canu ar ol y don arferedig yn Eglwys Loegr.

Metrical psalms, 1621
Salmau Cân (Metrical Psalms) is a translation of the 150 Psalms into free Welsh verse, suitable for congregational singing. It was the work of Edmund Prys (also spelt Edmwnd Prys) (1544-1623), a poet, rector of Ffestiniog and Archdeacon of Merioneth. They were printed in London and first published with the 1621 Book of Common Prayer. Edmund Prys is mentioned by William Morgan as one of three who helped him in the preparation of his translation of his 1588 Bible. Many of the Psalms are still sung in Welsh places of worship.

Morris Williams' metrical psalms, 1850
Morris Williams (1809-1874) was a bard known as Nicander. He was ordained as an Anglican clergyman in 1836. He produced his own Metrical Psalms in 1850.

William Rees' psalms, 1875
William Rees (1802-1883), known as Gwilym Hiraethog, was a poet and author. He rendered the William Morgan edition of the Psalms into verse titled Tŵr Dafydd in 1875.

Lewis Valentine's psalms, 1936
Whilst he was Baptist pastor at Llandudno, Rev Lewis Valentine translated a selection of Psalms called Detholiad o'r Salmau, which was published by Gwasg Ilston in 1936.

New metrical psalms, 2008
Salmau Cân Newydd (New Metrical Psalms) is a new metrical version of the Psalms, based on the 2004 Welsh translation of the Bible, but also having regard to the original Hebrew, by Gwynn ap Gwilym (1950-2016), an Anglican priest in the Church in Wales. A variety of metres are used and appropriate tunes suggested. It was published by Gwasg Gomer (Gomer Press) in 2008.

Thomas Briscoe translation, 1853-1894
Thomas Briscoe (1813-1895) translated Isaiah, Job, Psalms and Proverbs from Hebrew in Welsh, which were published between 1853 and 1855. His translation of the New Testament was published in 1894.

William Edwards New Testament, 1894-1915
William Edwards (1848-1929), a Baptist College Principal, revised the William Morgan New Testament by reference to the Greek, which he called Cyfieithiad Newydd ("New Translation"). It was published in four volumes in 1894, 1898, 1913 and 1915.

Guild of Graduates New Testament, 1921-1948
A project was started by the Theological Branch of the Guild of Graduates (alumni) of the University of Wales, to translate the Bible into modern Welsh. A team of 53 scholars worked on New Testament book by book, and the results were printed in portions between 1921 and 1948. Additionally Amos and Hosea from the Old Testament were published in 1924. It was never published as a whole.

Islwyn Ffowc Elis, 1961
The Welsh author and one time Calvinist Methodist minister, Rev Islwyn Ffowc Elis translated the Gospel of Matthew into modern Welsh, which was published in Caernarfon in 1961. It was called Efengyl Mathew and subtitled Trosiad i gymraeg diweddar.

Y Ffordd Newydd, 1971
In 1969 the Bible Society produced a Gospel of John in Popular Welsh called Y Ffordd. This was followed by the translation of all 4 Gospels in 1971 as Y Ffordd Newydd. The publications included illustrations by Annie Vallotton and it was done in the style of the English Good News Bible.

New Welsh Bible, 1988
A new translation, Y Beibl Cymraeg Newydd (BCN), was published in 1988 (including the revised New Testament published in 1975 and the Psalms in 1979) and has largely replaced the William Morgan translation, although its publishers stated that it was not intended to supplant Morgan's translation, but merely as an alternative. It also included the Apocrypha. Professor John Tudno Williams and Professor S.I. Enoch were members of the New Testament Panel.

Duw ar waith, 1990
In 1990, a translation of the Gospel of Mark (Y Newyddion da yn ôl Marc) for use in schools was adapted from the New Welsh Bible by Edwin C. Lewis.

Revised New Welsh Bible, 2004
A revision, Y Beibl Cymraeg Newydd Diwygiedig (BCND) (the Revised New Welsh Bible), was released in March 2004, and the Apocrypha (called Yr Apocryffa) was printed in 2008.

In 2005 an audio version of the BCND was produced by the Bible Society called "Y Llais". The parts of Jesus Christ and Paul are played by two well-known professional actors - Richard Elfyn and Rhys Parry Jones - and other prominent Welsh voices also feature, including Lisabeth Miles.

beibl.net, 2015, 2021
beibl.net is a new translation of the Bible into simple colloquial Welsh by Gobaith i Gymru. The New Testament was published online in 2002 and the entire Bible was published online in 2013 and in print in 2015. This was updated in 2021. Some of it is also available in audio.

New World Translation, 2022
On 25 June 2022 the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures in Welsh was released in digital form by the Jehovah's Witnesses, with a printed edition to follow in December 2022.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Three halves

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was REDIRECT.
 * Closed by 22:06, 1 Mar 2005 Georgia guy. Confirmed and checked by Joy_Stovall 01:18, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC).  Double checked by  AllyUnion (talk) 12:18, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC).

Three halves
Non notable number. WikiProject Numbers doesn't feel this article should exist. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numbers for discussion. I'm indifferent; no vote personally. dbenbenn | talk 22:03, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is just a silly joke. There are pages on numbers only if they have special properties, and the term 'three halves' isn't notable slang afaik. Radiant! 22:15, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Re-direct to Sesquialterum, an article already talking about the number in detail. Georgia guy 22:16, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above. Or, move Sesquialterum to three halves which will be slightly more familiar to many people. "three halves" is a very common expression in sport, might be worth mentioning too. Kappa 22:25, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to sesquialterum. Discuss the best name for the merged article at talk:three halves or talk:sesquialterum. Andrewa 03:18, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sesquialterum, although I would guess that not many will know what "sesquialterum" means. What happened to the good old "One and a half"? Does not really matter if there are good enough redirects though. 129.177.61.123 10:27, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Good point, see one and a half. No change of vote. Andrewa 12:00, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Sesquialterum. Megan1967 07:23, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Archive 5

Ethiopia
It's just come up on IRC how truly terrible our article on Ethiopia is. For a country that's considerably more high profile than Benin, this really needs a lot of work. How about making this the next highlighted country - before one of our critics picks us up on this? Ambi 14:42, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Why not just edit it? Putting on the To Do list on the Template, judging from the example of Benin, doesn't necessarily get anyone to edit it. In fact this whole project has had very little effect. - Xed 15:11, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * There's clearly the interest in this project, so why not take a leaf from what's working? I've suggested moving the COTW to a seperate page (which would also make it watchlistable), and creating a seperate, long, complete to-do list (as the Australian and UK notice boards have done), which would mean there'd always be something to pick from, and which would see a heck of a lot more articles being actually written. It would also really help if the page sizes were kept down - for those of us on dialup, this fetish with having everything on two massive pages makes it almost unworkable to use. And anyway, this project clearly has had some successes - look at Economy of Africa. Ambi 00:22, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * second Ambi's suggestion on moving COTW to separate page. And anything to keep page sizes manageable is A Good Thing.Pedant 13:24, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)
 * Can one third a suggestion? Anyway, COTW should have its own subpage. Filiocht 12:31, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * I disagree that this project has done little. Virtually all of my recent edits stemmed from working on Land reform, stemming out into Plan Zamora, the Venezuelan CTV, the AFL-CIO, the American Center for International Labor Solidarity, et cetera.  Admittedly, these articles already got more attention than Benin, but it's something.  This project is going to be hard, because the problem is truly systemic.  Measure success in small intervals at first. DanKeshet 17:56, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Although disappointed with the level of progress, I agree that this project has started to bear fruit. One suggestion: when someone complains that the article Ethiopia is horrid (which cannot be denied; so are many other articles on African countries), say "Thanks for volunteering to improve it! We look forward to your contribution." Shorne 07:01, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * That's unnecessarily rude, Shorne. I lack either the time or the knowledge to do a decent job of fixing up Ethiopia. I could try in a few weeks, but it'd be silly not to at least bring it to the attention of more capable people - before our critics pick up on such a thing. If no one does fix it up, then so be it - but it's just rude to bite the messenger. Ambi 08:20, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't mean it as a rude retort, and I certainly wasn't addressing it to you. I was just suggesting that people who notice a deficiency might try to fill it themselves (as I do, to the extent that I can afford the time). Shorne 00:32, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that not a single Ethiopian author on List of African writers (by country) has even a stub of an article right now. Would someone like to write a stub on at least one of those writers? (I'd do it myself, but I'm busy with five other African countries and plenty of other subjects.) Shorne 07:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Query on the use of billion. trillion etc.
It's my understanding that the words trillion and million refer to different quantities in British English and in American English. Is this still true? If so, how does one address this issue? I feel this must have come up before, if that's the case a link to that discussion would be appreciated.Pedant 18:03, 2004 Nov 5 (UTC)

 * The so-called British use of billion, trillion, and the rest is uncommon nowadays, precisely because of the ambiguity that results. Most people use either the US forms (million, billion, trillion; not million, milliard, billion) or substitute unambiguous but clunky constructions such as "thousand million". I've seen "billion", as a link, in various articles: something like "There are 6 billion people in the world", so that anyone in doubt can go there and find that we're using the word to mean $$10^9$$, not $$10^{12}$$. Seems like a good approach to me. Shorne 06:49, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * The British treasury officially adopted the American usage of billion in the 1970s, thereby making the world safe for Carl Sagan. Lee M 13:54, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification!Pedant

List of African writers (by country)
The above subject is on this fortnights To Do list. I have created a new article for Mohammed Dib, from the Algeria section. Also I've wikified the Algeria section with as many birth and death dates as I could find, and added more authors. The authors and dates I added were also added to the List of African writers. Additionally, I created a List of Algerian writers article, and an 'Algerian writers' category. It would be good if a few people could choose a country, and an author from that country to concentrate on.- Xed 15:36, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Comrade Shorne has agreed to concentrate on Angola, Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique, and São Tomé e Príncipe. I choose Benin and Togo. Go to Talk:List of African writers (by country) to add yourself to the list - Xed 22:47, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks in advance to those who assist with this article. There's plenty of work to be done on all areas of this fascinating continent, and it doesn't require any expertise (which is a good thing; otherwise I wouldn't be able to contribute much). I've already learnt about a number of interesting authors and have added a couple to the (long) list of those that I intend to read. Shorne 06:43, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Page is still far, far, far, far too long
Look at the other CotW pages. CSB should be this simple. The page should just have a couple of paragraphs outlining the aim of the project and a voting section. All the other stuff can be on a separate page. - Xed 23:16, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hi. I'm not part of this project per se, but if anyone's interested I could use help on the Caucasus region (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and parts of southern Russia.) Our coverage is messy and incomplete, and there's a lot of confusion where several historical figures have the same name, or the same person is known by multiple names (or multiple transliterations.) Isomorphic 20:38, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * That would be very much appreciated. — Trilobite (Talk) 14:19, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Economy of Africa Featured on main page (13/11/2004)
Thought it worth flagging the major success of this article: Congratulations to User:SimonP who did most of the work.
 * It won Danny%27s_contest for best new article against a strong field
 * Attained featured article status
 * Featured today.
 * ChrisG 20:20, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well done all. - Xed 05:18, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Activity this fortnight (1st to 14th Nov)
Less activity on ToDo list articles and even less voting. Page is still too complicated. No one seems interested in contributing. Suggest we shut down project unless these problems are solved. - Xed 05:18, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Page should be just a voting page like the other CotWs. Description of CSB can go on another page. - Xed 13:50, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Sounds good. Simplify the format. Activity may still not be that high, so I wouldn't get too dramatic about it. People are going to be less motivated to work on subjects they have to do a lot of research on than a subject they are familiar with. I think we should moderate our expectations, and work on slow expansion. We have already had some moderate success.Peregrine981 04:55, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * At least we should get everything simplified before we move on the the next vote. - Xed 16:10, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * The COTW page is really hard to find. I know about it, and it still took me a while. So that could be made easier.
 * Yes, I only just now stumbled back in after doing a google search for "Black Dragon fire" which was a fire that burned 1 tenth of the world's timber reserves, yet the only mention google finds is when I mentioned it on this page during the template discussion. The very nature of this project is that there are systemic biases, that don't come from unwillingness to learn or write about -- but come from our ignorance on these subjects.  I think that if this project bears any fruit, it has been worthwhile.  Burkina Faso has improved, I think in most part because of the CSB project.Pedant 17:18, 2004 Nov 15 (UTC)
 * But as I've said numerous times, if you want people to work on articles, make a list of the stuff that needs doing, like the Australians did here and the British did here. Not everyone is a specialist on the history of Benin. If a list like that is created, the articles will come. Take a hint from what works - don't shut a perfectly good project down. Ambi 05:21, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ambi. I'm mostly picking articles from the complete to do list (or writing on subjects I didn't add to the list but certainly fit the CSB-goals). There is much to write anyway, even without using the WikiProjectCSBTasks box.  ¶ Mark Dingemanse  (talk)  22:34, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I think that we should have a section listing accomplishments or successful work, so that people can have some idea of what is being done by the project. This provides feedback and some idea of where progress is beign made, and where we need to focus more effort. It could also provide some incentive to work harder. Peregrine981 11:39, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Anyone volunteering to remould CSB as described above (like other CotW pages, with description of CSB on separate page)? If not, the soonest I can do it is Thursday. - Xed 20:39, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do - but it might take a while to get to it (I have an exam today, and I'm taking off for a couple of days tomorrow). Ambi 23:15, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm not going to contribute to this project anymore. Shorne 22:00, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reverted semi-blanking
I reverted the semi-blanking of this page because it is still more useful as a page than a message about a former page. — siro χ  o  07:42, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * Why are people so keen to call this over? We've barely even begun. Ambi 08:42, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * It seems we're running into some impatience here. I would like to kick start a redesign of the main page, but I don't feel confident enough to do it. I'd like to put in something like they have on the Australian notic board. I don't know how to do that snazzy chart though. Would it be possible? Shall we put our collaboration on the front page? I would say yes. Shall we move all the deeper explanations of the project ot another secondary page? Any rate, I'm sorry about this but I don't think I can do it myself. Peregrine981 10:52, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * I'll do it if you like (I started the Australian one) - if that's okay with others? Ambi 11:19, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * That's OK, at least with me. I'm almost always working on CSB-related articles and I'm watching this project closely. I don't understand why people want to call this over.  — mark ✎ 11:28, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. I, for one, would be happy to see it.

 * I don't really know the reason for the low morale either, but I do suggest some sort of a "accomplishments" or "in progress" section to let everyone know that something is actually being done, even if we can't always see it every day.Peregrine981 12:10, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * That's a really good idea. We could perhaps do something along the lines of what us Australians have done at New articles (Australia) - it helps to keep track of all the work that's being done. I really wish I could do more to help here, but it's the same old thing - I'm not really sure where to start, which is why I wanted a to-do list. Ambi 12:27, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Stop the project?
Come on people, stop being so naive. No one wants to edit articles they know nothing about, and no one is rushing to make this project usable. Lets give up - Xed 22:43, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't share your pessimism. I am one of the users attracted by the goal of this project, and happy to have found people who share the same concerns. It's not only about editing articles one knows nothing about, it's also about having a comprehensive list to choose articles from that interest one. And it's about having a platform for review and to share thoughts. I regret that I don't have much time to devote to shaping the project itself right now, but that's the way it is. I guess we just have a slow start, but it's a start at least, a step forward - and why take a step backward now?  — mark ✎ 02:14, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm optimistic too. We've flagged the issue, started a project, defined the problem, and set up the lists of articles: that is actually a great start. But now we have the difficulty of actually doing the work and that is always more difficult. I would like to contribute more; but this project is one of my interests in Wikipedia and I'm sure that is the same problem for other people interested in this project. As mentioned above we need an accomplishments section to show that work is getting done however slowly. Momentum will build as potential editors get used to checking the list of articles. Wikipedia wasn't built in a day, and the reduction of its systemic biases won't either. :ChrisG 21:18, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I am so tired of the drama-queening about this project. This isn't a personal ego showcase, one way or another; it's just a list of work needing to be done, and a collection of folks who, at our own pace, are willing to help do it.  Maybe the COTF list is useful and maybe it isn't, but the to-do lists and the project itself clearly belong on wikipedia.  Throwing fits because the pace isn't to your liking is ridiculous, and attempting to kill off the entire project is offensive.  This isn't your personal plaything to take home when you don't get your way with it.  Take your pick: either get over it and participate as-is, or get over it and quit (dramatically, if you like) and go away.  —Bsktcase 23:39, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Bah nonsense! This project has a valuable existance, it is very good to have a place for the lists we're keeping and to keep motivating people to contribute. I for one have written only two articles from scratch, one of them on a topic I stublmed on through this project: Jill Ker Conway, someone I had never heard of before I started the article. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 09:55, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * As a matter of interest, perhaps, the H.D. article was on the open tasks a while back and is now a featured article. I did a lot of the work but this was not an article I had any plans to work on and I would not have done it if not for this project. Filiocht 10:32, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

This project has certainly not failed, unless we were expecting to have systemic bias countered in a month. It does, however, need some improvements. I heartily support Peregrine's offer of reworking the main page. Something I would be more than willing to help with. - SimonP 02:39, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

Fixing and simplifying CotW
Started on making the CotW more like the others here: CSB_Collaboration_of_the_Week. Request that someone else carries on with the work. - Xed 02:18, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Linguistics
I have been collecting a few linguistic topics with a limited point of view (LPOV). This is clearly another area suffering from systemic bias, so I've made a new section on the Open Tasks page. I hope more internationally-oriented linguists will join us! — mark ✎ 11:07, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Absurdity
I recently came through trying to fix some things on the project page that had, in fact, confused several people. Within 12 hours, Xed came through and (in addition to appropriately removing some deprecated templates), removed without discussion much of what I had done, including removing the entire "participants" section. In fact, he removed from the page several things that I have found on other projects are useful to recruiting people, leaving only very brief items in a bullet list.

 * I haven't removed the participants list. It's still there, and still linked from the main page. In fact, it's the very first bullet point. Before it was unnecessarily linked from two different places on the page. Now it has one link. Fixed and simplified. As for what you mean by "several things that I have found on other projects are useful to recruiting people", you will have to be more specific. - Xed 23:31, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * What is removed was a section on the main page encouraging people to sign up and explaining what was on the Participants page besides people's names. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:55, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

 * What (I think) you're referring to was a section with this:

'''See Wikipedia:Wikiproject Countering Systemic Bias Participants Please add your name and specific interests (if any) with regard to the project at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Countering Systemic Bias Participants. Participants are encouraged to put on their user page and/or watchlist.'''
 * So I was wrong, there were actually 2 unnecessary links. And nothing to "explain what was on the Participants page besides people's names."
 * Xed 00:18, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Xed, I really don't understand: you complain that the project isn't doing well enough, but when I come through to see if I can tweak things to make it work better, you basically slap me away.

 * I haven't slapped you away. Don't be silly. - Xed 23:31, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This is the first time in seven weeks that I've tried, and it was precisely because once again you'd written a note implying that you'd given up. As I said in early October, I have no interest in fighting with you over this. I am not going to play edit war over the project page. If you want to be the main facilitator, fine, but I'm really sick of this alternating between, on the one hand, trying to run the project while declaring it a failure and hectoring others for not doing enough and, on the other, storming out the door but then coming back in the moment anyone else tries to make a go of things without you.

 * My drama queen moment above was in the same spirit as my long ago request to have Congo Civil War deleted. In other words, declaring the direct opposite of what one wants often has a better result than asking for what you want. Consider above, where suggesting improving the project receives no replies or action, whereas suggesting shutting it down not only receives a positive response, but also action. In a sense, the strategy is symbolized by the sandals in the famous Koan "Nansen and the cat". -Xed 23:31, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I call it passive-aggressive behavior, and I'm not willing to try to work closely with anyone who regards it as a legitimate way to interact. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:55, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

Also, right now the project has the same "fortnightly" collaboration going for about three weeks. We don't use fortnights a lot here in the U.S., but when we do they don't usually last this long... -- Jmabel | Talk 21:35, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * So you forgot to update it? Or did you expect me to to it? - Xed 23:31, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Until my one attempt yesterday, after I thought (incorrectly) that you were giving up, I had not been attempting to function on this project in an administrative capacity. I think I had made that entirely clear. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:55, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * So you'll only get involved if I give up? - Xed 00:18, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * In administering the project pages? Yes. Either way, I still intend to work on articles pointed up by this project, but we seem to be constantly at cross purposes in our efforts at administering the project pages. I do not see this changing. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:32, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * Cross purposes? Like what? The only thing you have mentioned is some paranoid idea about me removing (and trying to hide) the participants list. - Xed 01:46, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Xed, it's been one thing after another. Mostly it's your hectoring and passive-aggressive behavior. If I'm the only person you are having this sort of problem with, just let go of it. One more or less person on the project won't matter. If you are having this sort of problem with a lot of people, or if people continually stop wanting to work with you, then I submit that the problem is on your end and I'm just being mor vocal than most. In any case, I think I've made myself clear. I can't see anything gained by continuing this discussion, but based on the past, I'm sure you will add something to get in the last word. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:55, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * The problem starts with you making paranoid and baseless claims, like that I'm trying to hide the participants. If you didn't do that I wouldn't have to respond - Xed 09:32, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I tried, but once again, I withdraw from my effort to administer the project. I will continue to try to contribute by editing articles. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:55, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

COTW scorecard
by User:Solitude

-Xed 00:29, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

New model
SimonP and myself have built a quick model for a possible new design. Maybe we should build a bunch of subpages to deal with each, fairly distinct, topic under countering systemic bias, still linked by the central page. Here is a proposal for a basic design on the subpages. Each page would include a general discussion about whether a bias does exist on the topic, an analysis of the scope of the problem, proposed solutions, and a to-do list for that particular topic. We are still not sure exactly how to approach the main page, but perhaps a similar, somewhat expanded approach could work? Feel free to tinker and comment as you wish. Peregrine981 03:02, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

 * Regrettably, Peregrine and I posted with different slants on exactly the same idea at exactly the same time, and he beat me to it. Here's my thoughts, anyway - I think the two proposals could turn out to be quite compatible.

 * What I'd like to do, for starters, as I've said to Jmabel, is relaunch this in the notice board format (per the Australian and the UK boards).

 * As part of this, I'd like to see us expand the main to-do list, and to create a complete one - which could be set up along the lines of Simon and Peregrine's proposal, outlining exactly where the problems lie in each area and what we can do to help them (which was a better idea than my original one), and also where research efforts can be coordinated, per Danny's suggestions below.

 * I'd also like to see a page where we can see what others have been working on (perhaps along the lines of New articles (Australia)), which would replace the current category, which isn't really suitable for this purpose. As well, I'd like to bump as much of the static discussion from the main page, replacing it with subpages for participants, recruitment, translation and COTW efforts - and then using the extra space to highlight all of these efforts, rather than having a long ramble on the front page.

 * It'd also be nice to see certain people making a specific effort to welcome editors in their areas of expertise (and organising this so that we can get as many areas as possible covered), in order to try and retain as many as possible of those editors who come, make a few edits, and disappear off into the sunset. As I said to Jmabel, it's something that's proven very effective in the Australian efforts, and I think it could prove to be just as effective in helping expand this. Any thoughts? Ambi 03:18, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Under my understanding you would like 2 "to do" lists. One simple one, with a selection of topics, as the Australian, and one complete one with all of the topics anyone can think of? I think that is a good idea generally. We had thought to split up the main "to do" list into a series of shorter ones focusing on each topic. They would still amount to a large "to-do" list for the whole project, but would be perhaps less cumbersome, and easier to administer. It might also focus editors who are interested in one aspect of the systemic bias, but not others.

 * On a related note, I forgot to mention earlier. Breaking up the "developing world" article seems like good sense to me. Simply listing every possible topic relating to the developing world under the same heading is disorganized. Different aspects of the developing world are covered from geography, to history, to politics and beyond. Making a seperate category for each of these might make it easier for potential editors to find an article they are interested in, as well as making it easier to see exactly what is missing under a given topic heading.

 * Overall I agree that we should try to move most of the static discussion to subpages as the best solution to simplifying the page. This is an enormous project and needs to be well organized to work. Peregrine981 03:47, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

 * My original idea was for two to-do lists, but I like your idea of having a series of shorter ones focusing on each topic. I also agree in terms of it helping focus editors who are only interested in part of the larger project. We'd still be retaining the brief one though, wouldn't we? It's good for highlighting attention onto the most egregarious holes. Ambi 07:39, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Absolutely, lets keep the brief main list, as a focus for the project as a whole. We should keep some unity in order to avoid isolation between the differents subcategories.Peregrine981 10:05, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

 * Ah, good. It'd be nice to get some other responses here - I'd really like to get this up and going in the next couple of days. Ambi 10:15, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I began to implement what we've talked about here. Its pretty rough right now, and there is no master to do list as of yet, but its a start. Peregrine981 04:46, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

I'm particularly impressed by the analysis of Wikipedias coverage: Perhaps a 'bias number' could be attached to certain subjects or countries, to help us target them more effectively. (Could anyone create a script to churn out this sort of number?) - Xed 10:19, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

A New Approach
I am a true believer in this project and appreciate all the work Xed and everyone else has put into it. The truth is, though, that we are dealing with difficult topics, in which information is difficult to obtain. To help with some of the real countries that have less information than Middle Earth or the Klingon Empire, I have begun to write to their embassies and governments, describing Wikipedia and asking them to send us information and images that we can incorporate into our encyclopedia. I encourage others to do the same. I would be happy to provide a sample letter as well as email addresses to anyone who wishes. So far, I have sent emails to representatives of Papua New Guinea, Gambia, Sierra Leone, Timor Leste, Saint Lucia, Dominica, and Ethiopia. I think it would be best to contact countries in the Francophonie in French, but that is beyond my abilities (but maybe someone else can do it ...) Danny 03:11, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I think this is a really good idea, Danny - what sort of responses have you gotten so far? Ambi 03:18, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * None so far, but I only started this afternoon, and it is a Friday. I am hoping to hear something next week. Danny 03:23, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I hope that's fruitful. I did something similar a while ago, writing to various bloggers and educational institutions whose interests intersect with CSB. Didn't get much of a response but this was posted right afterwards — I assume it was someone I contacted. Also I noticed there were a few more anon edits of CSB articles. - Xed 09:55, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

For the record
I see that the general explanation of systemic bias in Wikipedia and discussion of ways to address it has been dropped from the project page. I won't argue about the removal, but for the record, as the author of most of that, I have moved my remarks to User:Jmabel. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:55, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * I think it serves a purpose to have it handy, but I'd like to see that on a subpage - it's the sort of thing that makes an interesting read once, but doesn't need to be in your face every time you load the project page. Ambi 07:25, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't totally deleted. BTW, I saved off my own version, not the consensus version, so if someone wants to restore this on a different page as the project group's view, they probably want to take the recently deleted version, not the one from my user page. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:22, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

 * It has been moved to WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Project details. That is basically where I dumped everything that seemed like we had agreed to move off the main page. We may wish to further organize them. Peregrine981 10:07, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Building
I am very slowly moving forward with this restructuring, partially because I simply don't have the technological know how to make an overall to do list, which is basically the centre piece of our re design, and partially because I don't want to do everything on my own. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could begin work on the to do list so that we can get a real working model going to see if it works or if people hate it and we have to try again. Peregrine981 04:49, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to conscript a couple of people who are good with tables from the Australian project. Haven't been able to track them down yet. Ambi 05:18, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Categories
I've been thinking vaguely about the categories, and I'd like peoples' opinions. Would we rather have subcategory lists taken from "developing world" being geographically based, or thematically based? Currently we have done subject, as in geography, history, and politics. We could alternately do, Africa, South America, Asia.... I have no particular preference, but I thought I'd see what people think.Peregrine981 12:00, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * The thematic option (geog, poli, hist) seems to make more sense. - Xed 18:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Head Heeb
Just posted an article (as a guest) on Head Heeb here. Hope it gets some of the fine readers of Head Heeb interested in CSB. - Xed 18:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Help!
So I decided I'd try and do a bit of work on Saint Kitts and Nevis this afternoon. I managed to fix the information about its National Assembly, which was completely wrong, due to bad State Department information. But then I decided to come up with a list of its members, and ran into a bit of trouble.

I can get the names of the eleven elected members easily enough, and I can get the names of the two members that the government appoints, because they're in the cabinet, which was widely reported. However, the opposition also appoints one member, and I can't find his or her name anywhere. Any ideas for how I might be able to get this? Any help would be appreciated. Ambi 05:41, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

New list template suggestion
Since I don't know how to create templates, I would like to ask for some help and some suggestions here. I've noticed that almost all the generalized topic lists on the Wikipedia are almost exclusively or at least substantially devoted to information related to Europe and North America. For example, the Superstar article has a single Bollywood star. So what I did for that article was take an existing template and modified it. What I would like to have is a template that could be added to either the top or bottom of lists that would say something like: "This list is incomplete; you can help to [expand it], especially with [fill in the blank here] from outside of Europe and North America. This template could then be added to Template messages/Lists for everyone to use." gK [[User talk:GK|¿?]] 11:01, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Africa-related regional notice board
I have noticed that there is now an Africa-related regional notice board has been created. Perhaps we should incorporate this fact into our planning for the project. Should we link directly to it, or ignore it and risk duplication? I don't think its good to ignore it considering the relative lack of editors comfortable with this topic.

Peregrine981 09:51, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Systemic bias and Calendars
The article above has an POV statement regarding the CSB project.

At least some of the calendars (for example, Common year starting on Monday and Leap year starting on Monday) highlight Sundays in red, a strictly religious bias imo. There are some possible solutions (remove the highlight, highlight Sat. & Sun., as possibilities), but is this more wide-spread and is this an appropriate task in CSB? - Amgine 22:19, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I thought that was only because Sunday is the first day of the week. Removing the highlight wouldn't be that big a deal for me since I don't normally associate Sunday with Christianity anyway. -FLafaire 12:09, 14 December 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, then the question is, why is Sunday the first day of the week? Monday seems more logical, and many calendars are actually being formatted that way these days. (makes it easier to plan work weeks/weekends) I've started modifying the Common year series (updating them to tables in the process).

Sunday is the first day of the week because Saturday is the Sabbath (why is Saturday the Sabbath? That I cannot answer; people have used the seven day week for a long, long time). But I do not know whether Sunday is highlighted because it is the first day of the week (which seems to me to imply only the point of view of this calendrical system) or because Christians consider it the Lord's day (because Jesus was resurrected?) (which is perhaps a religious bias, as Amgine suggests). Slrubenstein
 * Actually, then, Sunday is the first day because of religious reasons for either reason. - Amgine

 * Sunday is not the first day of the week everywhere. It is the last day of the week in Sweden, for one example. Fredrik | talk 16:49, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Shanelle Workman

Shanelle Workman is an American actress, producer and director. She is best known for playing the roles of Sarah "Flash" Roberts on the ABC soap opera One Life to Live and Gabriela 'Gaby' Moreno Forester on the CBS soap opera The Bold and the Beautiful. She offers her voice of the character Larxene in the popular video game series, Kingdom Hearts. Workman lends her voice to "Wendy" in North American commercials for the fast food chain Wendy's.

Career
Workman starred in the 2005 film, “The Biggest Fan” alongside Kaila Amariah and the late Chris Trousdale as Debbie Worden’s best friend, Charlotte.

Workman has also appeared with fellow soap actress Eden Riegel in the Broadway production of Les Misérables.

In 2005, Workman started filming the movie Jump Shot, where she played a student of Ray Liotta. Workman returned to soaps as Gabriela "Gaby" Moreno Forrester on The Bold and the Beautiful in March 2005 but was let go by the producers of the soap in October 2005 due to storyline purposes and because the character never caught on with viewers.

Workman was the voice actress of Caren Velázquez from the video game Dino Crisis 3, Pasadena O'Possum in Crash Tag Team Racing, Jennifer Willis in Splatterhouse, as well as the leading role as the voice of Milliarde in the GameCube game Baten Kaitos Origins. She also played the role of Larxene in the Kingdom Hearts series, and Alestia Lallis in Mass Effect.

Workman owns Gray Studios LA with her husband, David Barry Gray.

Personal life
On October 3, 2012, Workman became the temporary guardian of her younger sister Ariel Winter, following allegations of Winter's physical and emotional abuse at the hands of their mother Chrisoula. Workman filed a guardianship petition, seeking permanent guardianship over Winter. In her youth, Workman was removed from her mother's care after similar allegations.

In August 2013, Workman's younger brother Jimmy petitioned a court that he be granted custody of his then-15-year-old sister Winter, stating that their other sister, Workman was an "unfit guardian," and a poor role model for Winter. Jimmy, who spoke on behalf of his mother to dispute the accusations that had been leveled at her, lobbied the court for custody by stating that Workman allowed Winter to be publicly "sexualized", that she exploited Winter to promote her acting school, and that she used the money Winter earned as a cast member of the TV series Modern Family to finance "lavish parties and limousines," which Jimmy stated had torn their family apart. Jimmy also told the court that their father, Glenn Workman, who was in charge of Winter's estate, was unfit because his poor financial situation made him vulnerable to manipulation by Workman and her lawyers.

On May 5, 2014, the court ordered permanent guardianship to Workman and removed Winter from her mother's guardianship permanently. In May 2014, a settlement was reached among the parties by which Workman would retain custody of Winter, with Glenn maintaining control of her finances, and making required reports to the court. Superior Court Judge Daniel Murphy would retain jurisdiction over Winter until she turned 18 (January 28, 2016), while Workman and Chrisoula later released a statement stating that they were working toward reconciliation.

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Murder of Robert McCartney

The murder of Robert McCartney occurred in Belfast, Northern Ireland, on the night of 30 January 2005 and was carried out by members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army. McCartney, born in 1971, was a Roman Catholic and lived in the predominantly nationalist Short Strand area of east Belfast, and was said by his family to have been a supporter of Sinn Féin. He was the father of two children and was engaged to be married in June 2005 to his longtime girlfriend, Bridgeen Hagans.

Fight
Robert McCartney was involved in an altercation in "Magennis' Bar" on May Street in Belfast's city centre on the night of 30 January 2005. He was found unconscious with stab wounds on Cromac Street by a police patrol car and died at the hospital the following morning. McCartney was 33 years old.

The fight arose when McCartney was accused of making an insulting gesture or comment to the wife of an IRA member in the Co social club. When McCartney's friend, Brendan Devine refused to accept this or apologise, a brawl began. McCartney, who was attempting to defend Devine, was attacked with a broken bottle and then dragged into Verner Street, beaten with metal bars and stabbed. Devine also suffered a knife attack, but survived. The throats of both men had been cut and McCartney's wounds included the loss of an eye and a large blade wound running from his chest to his stomach. Devine was hospitalised under armed protection.

On 27 June 2008, Terence Davison was found not guilty of committing the murder; two other men who had been charged with affray were also cleared.

Forensic cover-up and investigation
When Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) officers arrived at the scene, their efforts to investigate the pub and surrounding area were met with an impromptu riot. Rioting by youths, specifically attacking the police, forced them to pull back from the area, which delayed initial investigation. Police with riot gear arrived later in the evening, and were also attacked. Alex Maskey of Sinn Féin claimed, "It appears the PSNI is using last night's tragic stabbing incident as an excuse to disrupt life within this community, and the scale and approach of their operation is completely unacceptable and unjustifiable." There have been suggestions that the rioting was organised by those involved in the murder, so that a cleanup operation could take place in and around where the murder took place. Clothes worn by McCartney's attackers were burned, CCTV tapes were removed from the bar and destroyed and bar staff were threatened. No ambulance was called. McCartney and Devine were noticed by a police car on routine patrol, who called an ambulance to the scene.

When the police launched the murder investigation they were met with a "wall of silence"; none of the estimated seventy or so witnesses to the altercation came forward with information. In conversations with family members, seventy-one potential witnesses claimed to have been in the pub's toilets at the time of the attacks. As the toilet measures just four feet by three feet, this led to the toilets being dubbed the TARDIS, after the time machine in the television series Doctor Who, which is much bigger on the inside than on the outside.

Sinn Féin suspended twelve members of the party and the IRA expelled three members some weeks later.

Political fall-out
Gerry Adams, then president of Sinn Féin, urged witnesses to come forward to "the family, a solicitor, or any other authoritative or reputable person or body". Adams continued, "I want to make it absolutely clear that no one involved acted as a republican or on behalf of republicans". He suspended twelve members of Sinn Féin. Adams stopped short of asking witnesses to contact the police directly. The usefulness of making witness statements to the victim's family or to a solicitor was derided by the McCartneys and by a prominent lawyer and SDLP politician, Alban Maginness, soon afterwards.

On 16 February 2005, the IRA issued a statement denying involvement in the murder and calling on the perpetrators to "take responsibility".

On 8 March 2005, the IRA issued an unprecedented statement saying that four people were directly involved in the murder, that the IRA knew their identity, that two were IRA volunteers, and that the IRA had made an offer to McCartney's family to shoot the people directly involved in the murder.

In May 2005, Sinn Féin lost its council seat in the Pottinger area, which covers the Short Strand, with the McCartney family attributing the loss to events surrounding the murder.

Since this time, the sisters of Robert McCartney have maintained an increasingly public campaign for justice, which saw Sinn Féin chief negotiator Martin McGuinness make a public statement that the sisters should be careful that they were not being manipulated for political ends.

The McCartney family travelled to the United States during the 2005 St Patrick's Day celebrations where they were met by US Senators (including Hillary Clinton and John McCain) and U.S. President George W. Bush who expressed support in their campaign for justice.

Support for Sinn Féin by some American politicians was diminished. Adams was not invited to the White House in 2005 and Senator Edward Kennedy backed out of a meeting that had been previously scheduled. The McCartney family, previously Sinn Féin supporters, pledged to never support the party again, and a cousin of the sisters who raised funds for Sinn Féin in the United States insisted that she would not be doing so in the future.

In December, the McCartney sisters met with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, and told him they believed the murder had been ordered by a senior IRA member, and that Sinn Féin was still not doing all it could to help them.

In November 2005, the McCartney sisters and Bridgeen Hagans, the former partner of Robert McCartney, refused to accept the Outstanding Achievement award at The Women of the Year Awards, because it would have meant their sharing a platform with Margaret Thatcher, whom they disliked.

On 31 January 2007, two years after the murder, and in line with the party's new policy of supporting civil policing, Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams said that anyone with information about the murder should go to the police. On 5 May 2015, an IRA man believed to have been involved in the death of McCartney, Gerard 'Jock' Davison, was shot dead. Early in the investigation the police ruled out either a sectarian attack or the involvement of dissident republicans.

Criminal charges
On 5 May 2005, Terence Davison and James McCormick were remanded in custody, charged with murdering McCartney and attempting to murder Devine respectively. McCormick is originally from England. They were held in the Republican wing of Maghaberry prison.

Roughly four months later the accused were released on bail, and in June 2006, the attempted murder charge against McCormick was dropped, leaving a charge of causing an affray.

The trial of Terrence Davison started on 22 May in Belfast Crown Court. Davison was charged with murder, and with affray along with James McCormick and Joseph Gerard Emmanuel Fitzpatrick. Davison was found not guilty by Mr Justice Gillen on 27 June 2008.

Intimidation
The McCartney family had lived in the Short Strand area of Belfast for five generations. However some local people in the Short Strand area, which is a largely Nationalist area, did not welcome their dispute with the IRA. A campaign of intimidation by Republicans drove members of the family and McCartney's former fiancée, to relocate and has also caused one member to close her business in the city centre. Intimidation was continuing. The last McCartney sister to leave the area (Paula) departed Short Strand on 26 October 2005.

, the family were in contact with the family of Joseph Rafferty of Dublin, who died in similar circumstances.

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Robert McCartney

Robert, Bob or Bobby McCartney may refer to:

 * Bob McCartney 1890s, Scottish footballer with Leith Athletic and Heart of Midlothian
 * Robert McCartney (Australian politician) (1906–?)
 * Robert McCartney (Northern Irish politician) (born 1936), Northern Irish unionist politician
 * Robert McCartney (murder victim) (1971–2005), victim of a 2005 murder in Northern Ireland

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Helicopter noise reduction

Helicopter noise reduction is a topic of research into designing helicopters which can be operated more quietly, reducing the public-relations problems with night-flying or expanding an airport. In addition, it is useful for military applications in which stealth is required: long-range propagation of helicopter noise can alert an enemy to an incoming helicopter in time to re-orient defenses (see acoustic signature).

Sources of helicopter noise

 * Rotor noise
 * Thickness noise
 * Loading noise
 * Broadband noise
 * Blade-vortex interaction noise
 * High-speed impulsive (HSI) noise
 * Tail rotor noise
 * Engine noise
 * Transmission noise

The noise from a rotor can be divided into several distinct sources, which will be described as follows:

Thickness noise
Thickness noise is dependent only on the shape and motion of the blade, and can be thought of as being caused by the displacement of the air by the rotor blades. It is primarily directed in the plane of the rotor.

Loading noise
Loading noise is an aerodynamic adverse effect due to the acceleration of the force distribution on the air around the rotor blade due to the blade passing through it, and is directed primarily below the rotor. In general, loading noise can include numerous types of blade loading: some special sources of loading noise are identified separately.

Changes in blade-section motion relative to the observer as the steadily loaded propeller rotates, generally referred to as "loading" noise. This source tends to dominate at low blade speed.

Blade-vortex interaction noise
Blade vortex interaction (BVI) occurs when a rotor blade passes within a close proximity of the shed tip vortices from a previous blade. This causes a rapid, impulsive change in the loading on the blade resulting in the generation of highly directional impulsive loading noise. BVI noise can occur on either the advancing or retreating side of the rotor disk and its directivity is characterized by the precise orientation of the interaction. In general, advancing side BVI noise is directed down and forward while retreating-side BVIs cause noise that is directed down and rearward. It has been shown that the main parameters governing the strength of a BVI are the distance between the blade and the vortex, the vortex strength at the time of the interaction, and how parallel or oblique the interaction is.

Broadband noise
Another form of loading noise, broadband noise consists of various stochastic noise sources. Turbulence ingestion through the rotor, the rotor wake itself, and blade self-noise are each sources of broadband noise.

High-speed impulsive (HSI) noise
HSI noise is caused by transonic flow shock formation on the advancing rotor blade, and is distinct from loading noise. The source of HSI noise is the flow volume around the advancing blade tip, hence it cannot be captured by examining only the acoustic sources on the surface of the blade, HSI noise is typically directed in the rotor plane forward of the helicopter, like thickness noise.

Tail rotor noise
While most noise from a helicopter is generated by the main rotor, the tail rotor is a significant source of noise for observers relatively close to the helicopter, where the higher-frequency noise of the tail rotor has not yet been attenuated by the atmosphere. Tail rotor noise is particularly annoying to the human listener due to its higher frequency (as compared to the main rotor) which places it directly in the band in which the human ear is most sensitive.

Methods of noise reduction

Almost all helicopter engines are located above the aircraft, which tends to direct much of the engine-noise upwards. In addition, with the advent of the turbine engine, noise from the engine plays a much smaller role than it once did. Most research is now directed towards reducing the noise from the main and tail rotors.

A tail-rotor which is recessed into the fairing of the tail (a fenestron) reduces the noise level directly below the aircraft, which is useful in urban areas. In addition, this type of rotor typically has anywhere from 8 to 12 blades (as compared to 2 or 4 blades on a conventional tail rotor), increasing the frequency of the noise and thus its attenuation by the atmosphere. In addition, the placement of the tail rotor within a shroud can prevent the formation of tip vortices. This type of rotor is in general much quieter than its conventional counterpart: the price paid is a substantial increase in the weight of the aircraft, and the weight that must be supported by the tail boom. For example, the Eurocopter EC-135 has such a design.

For smaller helicopters, it may be advantageous to use a NOTAR (from NO TAil Rotor) system. In this yaw-control method, air is blown out of vents along the tail boom, producing thrust via the Coandă effect.

Some designs have been done to reduce the rotor noise itself, for example the Comanche military helicopter attempted many stealth mechanisms, including attempts to quiet the rotor. One possible technique for reducing helicopter rotor noise is "modulated blade spacing". Standard rotor blades are evenly spaced, and produce greater noise at a particular frequency and its harmonics. Using varying degrees of spacing between the blades spreads the noise or acoustic signature of the rotor over a greater range of frequencies.

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"Jump" makes a lot more sense than "Go". Also, see. silsor 22:08, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Huh?
What is this page used for? Wikiman232 06:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's used for the "Go" button on the left of the screen by the search bar. If an administrator changed the word go on this page to jump then the word jump would appear in that button instead of go. Tim Q. Wells 07:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Terry Tate: Office Linebacker

Terry Tate: Office Linebacker was a series of short comedy television commercials created by Peter Arnell and the Arnell Group, for Reebok, based on a short film pilot created in 2000 by Rawson Marshall Thurber. Tate was first shown at Super Bowl XXXVII in 2003. The short films feature Lester Speight as "Terrible" Terry Tate, an American football linebacker who "gives out the pain" to those in the office who are not obeying office policies.

Originally, Reebok produced six episodes between August and December 2002 with another episode Terry Tate, Office Linebacker: Sensitivity Training being made on February 1, 2004. Even Reebok in the United Kingdom made an episode called Late Lunch on January 22, 2005. There are a total of 9 episodes. The advertising campaign was one of the most successful of those in the history of the Super Bowl halftime shows.

The catchphrases include "The pain train's comin'", "You kill the joe, you make some mo'", "You can't cut the cheese wherever you please!", "'Cause when it's game time, it's pain time!", "Don't bring that weak-ass stuff up in this humpy-bumpy" and "Woo-woo!" After tackling a worker, Terry usually leaves him with a "WOOH! Bitch!!!"

While the first episode of the series implies that hiring an office linebacker is a highly unorthodox practice (one described as "thinking outside the box"), future episodes depict office linebackers as a common occurrence.

Though successful in attracting viewers and attention, the ads' ability to increase recognition of the Reebok brand has been questioned, with only 55% of respondents on an on-line poll indicating they realized the ad was affiliated with the company. Despite being aired only once on national television, the short was downloaded more than seven million times from Reebok's website.

Main characters

 * Lester Speight as "Terrible" Terry Tate (a.k.a. The Pain Train a.k.a. Triple T) - Hired by Felcher & Sons as an office linebacker. He enjoys his job, attacking his fellow office co-workers who are lazy or make mistakes of any kind. Terry is also in charge of office supplies; this is why all his interviews are done in the supply storage room which is his office.
 * Michael Sean McGuinness as Ron Felcher — The CEO of Felcher & Sons, and Terry's employer. Felcher claims that since Terry was hired, office productivity has risen 46%.
 * Jeremy Rowley as Paul Merkin — The Jr. Mail Room Engineer and a common target of Terry's wrath for offenses such as failing to make a new pot of coffee or farting in an elevator.
 * Natacha Wenger as Geneva Stoller — A sensitivity trainer, she works for Sanchez, Steamer & Co. and is employed by Felcher & Sons to help their own staff work better together, but made matters worse as she took Terry's position away and assigned him to a desk, causing office workers to take advantage of her and act like children. Things were back to normal after her departure (she sexually harassed one of Terry's co-workers, causing Terry to attack her).
 * Christopher M. Lee as Courtney Cate — Appearing in Draft Day, Courtney was recruited to work alongside Terry as another office linebacker.
 * Thomas Weaver as Gaston Du Coque — Hotel Manager; makes an appearance in Vacation, highlighting Terry Tate's impact on the employees.

Original episodes

 * Terry's World (August 11, 2002)
 * An introduction to Terry's world. He slams into office worker Paul Merkin after Paul finishes the coffee without making another pot, and then Ron Felcher gives a brief description about how the productivity in the office has soared after Terry's arrival from Reebok. Terry then puts more office workers in their places, for various offenses such as Phillip for failing to recycle an aluminium can, Richard for failing to put a cover sheet on one of his TPS reports and later stealing a box of ballpoint pens from him, and a worker for drinking coffee while not on break. His friendly side is also shown, as on office worker Jim's birthday, Terry kindly presents him with a birthday cake. Near the end of the episode, Terry himself is the victim of an injury after being accidentally hit with a mail cart, but he returns to work swiftly in order to keep everyone in line once again.

 * Draft Day (September 1, 2002)
 * Felcher & Sons hire a new linebacker, Courtney Cate, to work alongside Terry in the office. At first, the two have some "initial friction" between each other, but they soon gel and begin to work more efficiently as a team, jointly dealing out the pain to the co-workers who step out of line. However, the company made the decision to reassign Courtney to the company's German branch, Felcher & Sons Europe, due to salary cap restrictions, and also because he made some mistakes (such as taking out office worker Timmy for wearing a Hawaiian shirt to work, finding out too late that it was Casual Friday). Ron Felcher then states that there is only one Terry Tate and that Felcher & Sons is lucky to have him. The episode then ends with Terry taking out office worker Phillip, for raiding the refrigerator and stealing someone else's slice of carrot cake.

 * Vacation (September 14, 2002)
 * After 1000 days at work without a single day off, state law requires that Terry must take a vacation. At first he dislikes his holiday (having problems opening his room's door with the card key, the small towels he is forced to use, and the TV set not working), but once he begins to put the hotel staff in line (as he does with his office co-workers), he begins to enjoy himself. The hotel's manager is pleased with Terry's actions, saying that he is welcome back any time and has been the best guest the hotel has ever had. However, back at Felcher & Sons, many of the staff have been taking advantage of Terry's vacation and acting childish without Terry around, but his return quickly gets the company back into shape again, with the end of the episode showing him slamming into office worker Gene for playing solitaire on his company computer instead of doing his work.

 * Office Athlete of the Century (October 15, 2002)
 * Terry is awarded the prestigious Office Athlete Of The Century award from OSPN (a parody of ESPN). Throughout the episode Terry's earlier life is recapped. He graduated from high school as captain of the football team before accepting a full scholarship to Major University. He then joined a freelance mime troupe. It was during this job that he attacked a rude spectator who was talking loudly on their cell phone and disturbing his performance. Ron Felcher, one of the spectators, saw this incident, and decided to hire Terry as a result.

 * Super Bowl 2003 commercial (November 27, 2002)
 * This is a remix of the incidents from the past episodes, depicting scenes from the past episodes.

 * Streaker (December 4, 2002)
 * In a direct spoof of a similar Nike ad, a naked man runs across the field during a soccer match. Terry appears from nowhere and slams him.

 * Sensitivity Training (February 1, 2004)
 * Office worker Paul Merkin accuses Terry Tate of assaulting him just for farting in an elevator, and in response Felcher & Sons hires Geneva Stoller, a sensitivity trainer. She gives out badges of shame to anyone who breaks office rules, and after Terry drives into a worker in his usual office role, she misinterprets this as an E11 situation, which prompts her to confiscate his jersey and demote him to a desk job. As a result, office productivity declines, and Terry is forced to watch from his desk as office staff all around him goof off and fail to do any work. However, after seeing Geneva make a sexual pass on male employee Pablo, Terry slams into her to put her back in line. After Ron Felcher hears about this, the company fires Geneva, and Ron Felcher shows how productivity had declined since her arrival, but since her departure things had recovered once again, with the help of Terry. The episode ends with Terry, back in his usual role, blitzing office worker Roger, who spent most of the episode using the speaker phone to joke obnoxiously with a friend (and whom he was unable to slam without permission during Geneva's time in the company).

 * Late Lunch (January 22, 2005)
 * A short episode showing how Terry tackles a worker, Roger, who returns to his desk late for work. His co-workers are less than happy, handing him papers that should have been completed 15 minutes ago. But Terry is at hand to get the worker back in line once again.

Spoof of Nike ad
In February 2003, Reebok released a commercial featuring Tate that parodies a Nike, Inc. commercial. In the Nike version, a streaker disrupts a British football match; in the Reebok ad, Tate tackles the streaker then proclaims, "You just did it, so I had to hit it". The advertisement was one of several competitive and deliberate spoofs between the rival companies.

California recall election
In 2003, Terry Tate tried to run for governor in the 2003 California recall election, under the name "Lester Terry Tate Speight," but he did not gather enough signatures to qualify for the ballot.

2008 U.S. presidential election
The Terry Tate character resurfaced in a series of short videos urging people to vote on November 4, including scenes that depict the Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin being (purportedly) tackled following famously controversial interviews.

 * Episodes
 * "From Russia with Love" (October 16, 2008), Tate tackles Palin after she answers a question from Katie Couric about her foreign policy experience.
 * "Reading Is Fundamental" (October 16, 2008), Tate tackles Palin after she gives an elusive answer to a question from Katie Couric about her reading materiall
 * "Get Out the Vote" (October 20, 2008), Tate tackles a co-worker who states he will not be voting.

ESPN's Mayne Street
In a 2008 episode of Kenny Mayne's ESPN parody program Mayne Street, Tate appears to defend anchor Stuart Scott from an intrusion on his lunch break by an individual touring ESPN headquarters. Tate then reminds Mayne that people on his tour groups should not bother "the franchise" (Scott), and that this was discussed in a previous staff meeting.

2016 U.S. presidential election
During the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Funny or Die produced an altered version of the 2005 video of Donald Trump's lewd remarks to Billy Bush about women that had surfaced during the campaign. In the video, Terry Tate tackles a body double actor portraying Trump in response to Trump's remarks and tells Trump that's how he makes America great. He then turns to Bush and tells him he's fired.

2022 Hellmann's Super Bowl ad
This was a crossover commercial with Jerod Mayo and Terry Tate working the Hellmann's company customer phone support line.

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Rugrats in Paris: The Movie

Rugrats in Paris: The Movie is a 2000 animated comedy film based on the Nickelodeon animated television series Rugrats. It is the second installment in the Rugrats film series and the sequel to The Rugrats Movie (1998). This film marks the first appearance of Kimi Watanabe and her mother, Kira. The film also marks the appearance of the first significant villains in the Rugrats franchise, the child-hating Coco LaBouche and her accomplice, Jean-Claude. The events of the film take place before the series' seventh season.

The film was released in the United States on November 17, 2000, almost two years after the release of the first film. Rugrats in Paris was more well-received than its predecessor and grossed over $103 million worldwide against a production budget of $30 million. This was the final Rugrats film to feature Christine Cavanaugh as the voice of Chuckie, who retired from being a full-time voice actor in 2001 and died in 2014. A sequel, and a crossover with characters from The Wild Thornberrys franchise titled Rugrats Go Wild, was released on June 13, 2003.

Plot
At the wedding reception of Lou Pickles and his new wife Lulu, a mother-child dance saddens Chuckie Finster with memories of his mother, who died shortly after his birth. Realizing that he and his son miss that presence in their lives, Chas Finster starts thinking of re-marrying. Tommy Pickles' father Stu is then summoned to EuroReptarland, a Japanese amusement park in Paris, to fix a malfunctioning Reptar robot he designed for the park's stage show.

The entire Pickles, Finster, and DeVille families travel to EuroReptarland, run by the ill-tempered, cold-hearted and child-hating Coco LaBouche, who hopes to succeed her supervisor, Mr. Yamaguchi, as president of the Reptar corporation. When Yamaguchi tells her his successor must love children, she lies and tells him she is engaged to a man with a child. Angelica Pickles overhears their conversation, and when discovered eavesdropping, saves herself by telling Coco about Chas.

Coco begins pursuing Chas with the help of her put-upon but kindhearted assistant, Kira Watanabe, who tells the babies how Reptar was a feared monster before his gentler side was revealed by a princess. Hearing this, Chuckie decides he wants the park's animatronic princess to be his mother and goes in search of her along with the babies and Kira's daughter Kimi. Meanwhile, the Pickles' dog Spike gets lost in the streets of Paris in pursuit of a stray poodle named Fifi.

While Coco wins over Chas, Chuckie remains deeply distrustful of her. At the Reptar show's premiere, Angelica informs Coco of Chuckie's wish to have the princess for his mother, prompting Coco to infiltrate the show disguised as the princess. She lures Chuckie on stage, where he is horrified to see her true identity; however, seeing his son go to Coco convinces Chas that he should marry her straight away. On the day of the wedding, Coco orders her accomplice, Jean-Claude, to keep the babies and Angelica from intervening. Kira learns of Coco's plot and threatens to tell Chas, but is thrown out enroute to the ceremony and hurries there by bicycle. Meanwhile, Jean-Claude imprisons the children in the warehouse where the show's robots are kept. When Chuckie despairs of having a new mother who does not like him, a guilt-ridden Angelica reveals Coco's plan and her part in it and apologizes to Chuckie.

Knowing the truth, Chuckie rallies the others to stop the wedding and they hurry to Notre Dame in the Reptar robot, picking up Kimi along the way. Robosnail (controlled by Jean Claude) pursues Reptar (controlled by the babies) through the streets of Paris. After dodging the Arc de Triomphe and rocketing up the Eiffel Tower, Reptar faces Robosnail, and begins to fight him. He defeats Robosnail, and knocks him into the Seine River.

Chuckie arrives at the church and stops the wedding by saying out his first word, "No!". Jean-Claude follows, unintentionally revealing Coco's true nature, and Chas calls off the wedding in disgust. Mr. Yamaguchi, who is in attendance, fires Coco after Angelica informs him about Coco’s plan. Angelica then rips Coco's dress when she knocks down the babies. Publicly humiliated, Coco flees the chapel, and Spike chases Jean-Claude away. As Chas apologizes to Chuckie for everything Coco put them both through, Kira arrives and apologizes to him for not speaking up sooner. Realizing they have much in common, Chas and Kira develop feelings for each other. Returning home, they marry and the Finsters and Watanabes (who also adopt Fifi) become a new family.

Main

 * Christine Cavanaugh as Chuckie Finster
 * E. G. Daily as Tommy Pickles
 * Cheryl Chase as Angelica Pickles
 * Kath Soucie as Phil DeVille, Lil DeVille and Betty DeVille
 * Tara Strong as Dil Pickles
 * Dionne Quan as Kimi Watanabe
 * Jack Riley as Stu Pickles
 * Melanie Chartoff as Didi Pickles
 * Michael Bell as Chas Finster and Drew Pickles
 * Julia Kato as Kira Watanabe
 * Tress MacNeille as Charlotte Pickles
 * Philip Proctor as Howard DeVille

Supporting

 * Susan Sarandon as Coco LaBouche
 * John Lithgow as Jean-Claude

Guest

 * Joe Alaskey as Lou Pickles
 * Debbie Reynolds as Lulu Pickles
 * Cree Summer Franck as Susie Carmichael
 * Mako Iwamatsu as Mr. Yamaguchi
 * Marlene Mituko, Darrel Kunitomi and Goh Misawa as the Villagers of the "Princess Spectacular" Show
 * Tim Curry, Kevin Michael Richardson and Billy West as the Sumo Singers
 * Paul DeMeyer as the Street Cleaner and Dog Catcher
 * Phillip Simon as the Animatronic Bus Driver
 * Richard Michel as the French Worker
 * Charlie Adler as the Inspector
 * Phillipe Benichou as the Ninja
 * Dan Castellaneta as the Priest
 * Lisa McClowry as the Princess
 * Casey Kasem as the Wedding DJ
 * Roger Rose as the Wedding DJ for the Finsters
 * Margaret Smith as the Stewardess

Soundtrack
A soundtrack album for the film, titled Rugrats in Paris: The Movie: Music from the Motion Picture, was released on November 7, 2000 on Maverick Records and features new music from Jessica Simpson, Baha Men, Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins of TLC, Amanda and Aaron Carter. Like the last soundtrack, it also contains an enhanced part: the theme song to the film "Jazzy Rugrat Love" by Teena Marie.

Release
The film was released on November 17, 2000 by Paramount Pictures and Nickelodeon Movies. In select theaters, the film was accompanied by the short film Edwurd Fudwupper Fibbed Big.

Home media
Rugrats in Paris: The Movie was released on VHS and DVD on March 27, 2001 by Paramount Home Entertainment.

In 2009, Paramount released the film via iTunes and the PlayStation Store.

On March 15, 2011 (along with The Rugrats Movie and Rugrats Go Wild), the film was re-released in a three-disc movie trilogy collection DVD set in honor of the original show's 20th anniversary.

On August 29, 2017, Rugrats in Paris was re-released on DVD.

On March 8, 2022 (along with The Rugrats Movie and Rugrats Go Wild), the film was released on Blu-ray as part of the trilogy movie collection.

Critical reception
On Rotten Tomatoes the film holds an approval rating of based on  reviews and an average rating of. The site's critical consensus read: "When the Rugrats go to Paris, the result is Nickelodeon-style fun. The plot is effectively character-driven, and features catchy songs and great celebrity voice-acting." Metacritic gave a film a weighted average score of 62 out of 100 based, on 25 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "A−" on an A+ to F scale.

Roger Ebert gave the film three out of four stars, stating, "The point is, adults can attend this movie with a fair degree of pleasure. That's not always the case with movies for kids, as no parent needs to be reminded. There may even be some moms who insist that the kids need to see this movie. You know who you are." Common Sense Media gave the film a three out of five stars, stating, "Eighty minutes of visual surprises, clever comedy." Empire gave the film a three out of five stars, stating, "Just as good as the last outing, this is great kiddie fare with some filmic references for the adults."

Plugged In (publication) wrote, "If parents are wanting more of what they see on the Rugrats TV show (plenty of potty humor, disrespectful language and zero discipline), then this movie lives up to expectations. Never is a child scolded for making a mess or reprimanded for being rude (of course, some of this is due to the fact that many of the characters aren’t old enough to talk and only communicate with each other). The movie is cleverly written—it actually has the ability to hold adults’ attention for longer than three minutes—but it's not funny that chaos is the norm and children get to do whatever they want whenever they want. Neither is it appropriate for a children's film to tip its hat to such R-rated flicks as The Godfather and A Few Good Men."

Box office
The film grossed $76.5 million in North America and $26.8 million in other territories for a worldwide total of $103.3 million, against a $30 million budget.

In the United States, it opened at #2 behind How the Grinch Stole Christmas, grossing $22.7 million in its opening weekend for an average of $7,743 from 2,934 venues. In the United Kingdom, it opened at #1 spot before it was dropped at #3 by its second weekend, behind Bridget Jones's Diary and Spy Kids.

Crossover Sequel
A sequel, titled Rugrats Go Wild, that is a crossover with the characters from The Wild Thornberrys (another franchise from Klasky Csupo), was released on June 13, 2003.

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