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Talk:San Francisco Giants

New York Giants (Baseball)
Just noting that New York Giants (Baseball) now exists. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

im the one who created a seperate page for the giants of new york baseball i feel that they deserve it cause the giants when in new york were rich with history 5 WORLD SERIES TITLES tons of pennets and fans i would love if you would help me to expand New York Giants (Baseball and make it a good article about a team that has more history then san fran i kinda copyed the first part of san frans ariticle but please help me expand it and oh by the way im new to wikipedia BigPadresDUDE (talk) 22:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Teams like nyg and brooklyn deserve there own pagers
i think they deserve their own pages i made a page for the new york giants baseball abd someone just REDIRETCED IT im gonna make it again and a brooklyn dodgers page ETC. they have tons of history and deserve their own pages teams like the pilots Not so much but the Brooklyn Dodgers? The New York Giants? they deserve there own pages PLEASE HELP ME MAKE THESE Pages and make em good articles cause the ny giants have alot more history then san fran see Montreal Expos As an exanple for my petition PLEASE GUYS help the more historic teams have articles  BigPadresDUDE (talk) 04:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is the same team. Such pages would not only be content forks, but would be wholly unnecessary. Any information contained there can be included in this article. faithless   (speak)  01:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

i think they deserve their own pages cause there is a ton more history in new york then san fran 5 WS TIT AND 16 PENNENTS COMPARED TO 4 AND 0 In San Fran They have much history in new york and deserve their own pages like brooklyn and nyg so please keep the new page 65.35.57.23 (talk) 02:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the same team. Just cause they moved doesn't make it a new team. No need for duplicate pages. The consensus at WP:BASEBALL has been to keep the information in one place. Spanneraol (talk) 02:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

the only thing they share are name and records i guess they virturly have done nothing in san francisco there 5 world titles ALL IN NEW YORK and the separte pages i would only do for more historical franchises (ny giants brooklyn dodgers etc.) and not (seattle pilots etc.) i thought that the more history was in new york and i would be able to make it a good article but please give it a chance with separte pages for the more historacal teams like new york giants what have they done in san fran? 4 NL TITLES in new york 5 WORLD SERIES AND 16 NL TITLES i propose to make pages like nyg and brooklyn separete pages im starting the ORG FOR HISTORICAL TEAMS WIKIPEDIA PAGES oh by the way this is BigPadresDUDE 65.35.57.23 (talk) 02:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * With due respect, BPD, the Giants and Dodgers, etal, do not just share names. The Dodgers move to Los Angeles was in no way different than the move by bowing from Seattle to Chicago.  At its heart, the Dodgers are a company, and they moved headquarters.  The players were the same, the management team was the same .... the only thing that changed was their home stadium, and a slight geographic adjustment to the name.  To split the Brooklyn Dodgers from the LA Dodgers (etal) is to create a content fork based on a non-neutral point of view.  I think you will find hte consensus of the editors here to be very much in favor of not splitting those teams.  If nothing else, splitting those teams would create greater confusion because it would imply they are not as connected as one should think.  With team names in sports often being used over and over again across different eras, that creates a fundamental problem. LonelyBeacon (talk) 03:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 * (edit conflict) BPD, shouting is not going to help your case. I agree with the other editors above. The teams are continuously existing franchises, and should be treated as such by keeping their continuous history together. As for your Expos example, the very existence of that page has been a bone of contention for some time. I still believe it should be merged with Washington Nationals to be consistent with the Dodgers and Giants, but understand that some disagree and have stopped tilting at that windmill for now. The Boeing example is quite appropriate. -Dewelar (talk) 03:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 * (ec)Comparing it to a company that shifted headquarters, is a good analogy. The Giants and Dodgers retained their nicknames and embrace their past, including posting retired numbers from their New York days as part of their continuum. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There are also varying degrees of embracing the past. The Braves continue to connect with their Boston roots, as when they face the Red Sox in interleague play. It seems like they don't say so much about Milwaukee, but that meteoric run was less than 10 percent of their entire history, whereas even now their tenure in Boston far overshadows their stay in Atlanta. The Nats, by contrast, essentially disavowed their Expos past, although they can't escape its reality. Teams like Baltimore and Minnesota and Texas established new identities, with just occasional nods to their past (like the time the Twins handed out Walter Johnson bobbleheads). Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 * BigPadresDUDE, saying a team "deserves" a page is not a compelling argument. You may wish to review Wikipedia's summary style guideline and determine if the Giants or Dodgers article could benefit from being split into multiple articles. Isaac Lin (talk) 03:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

can we alest come to a compromise? we try it on a trial run and we help the articles if it dosent work it dosent work i thought i could help the older guys who might agree with me and that they need a historical output for there fav team there are people who agree with me i know I JUST WANTED TO HELP 65.35.57.23 (talk) 03:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Giving away your IP address is not really the best thing to be doing. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

oh and by the way i think the expos article is good cause the nats think the expos never exsisted which makes me sick 65.35.57.23 (talk) 03:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You think it's good because it makes you sick??? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:SUMMARY the articles should probably be split, that way each section could be covered in better detail and would allow for expansion of all eras of the team. -DJSasso (talk) 03:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One article covering their 75 years in New York and another covering their 52 in San Francisco? Would you balance the content proportionately? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 04:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to split that way.. However, I don't really like the season by season approach to recent years.. That info should be moved to the season pages and the main article should just summarize from a more historical perspective.Spanneraol (talk) 04:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats an interesting question bugs and i would and you guys would help since im the newbie but it looks like im gonna lose my case so im gonna start working on being a good editorBigPadresDUDE (talk) 04:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Unless there could be specific rules to follow, I don't believe splitting team articles would be a benefit to the encyclopedia. Yes, the Expos are still separate, but shouldn't be. The Washington Senators from 1901 to 1960 would appear to have a significantly different identity than the Minnesota Twins, but there are same franchise. A separate article, called History of the Minnesota Twins seems to rectify most concerns regarding the long and storied history of both. I am also concerned that if the articles were to be allowed to split, what are the unintended consequences of that move: Bugs mentioned the Braves, how many articles can that franchise be split into? They are the longest continuous franchise in baseball, and logical reason can be made for each era and why it should have its own article. Not only would the Boston and Milwaukee teams have their own page, but one can argue that the Boston Red Stockings of the NA would have a wholly different identity from the Boston Beaneaters, who would have a different identity from the Boston Braves. Neonblak talk  -  04:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The article size guidelines in WP:SPLIT imply that History of the San Francisco Giants has reached the size that it "probably should be divided." Certainly, as this and other articles on team history continue to grow they will eventually need to be split per WP:SUMMARY. It should be emphasized, however, that other elements associated with the franchise history, such as navigation boxes, wouldn't need to be split. There's no reason that the idea of "continuity of the franchise" has to prevent the development of sepatate, in-depth articles, such as an article focusing on the Giants' New York period. BRMo (talk) 04:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

well somebody agrees with me i read over the history of san fran and san fran articles and THERE TO BIG that was my first thought when doing this but the historical aspect was the other BigPadresDUDE (talk) 05:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Splitting the "history of..." articles into separate articles is something that could be worthwhile: "history of the giants, part 1: The New York years" perhaps... but that isn't the same thing as creating a "New York Giants (baseball)" article with a separate nav box and separate championship listings... that is an approach I disagree with. Spanneraol (talk) 14:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One trivial point: The Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants didn't have pagers. They weren't invented yet. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 14:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Bugs, I think we all get your point, and while bunnies do have long teeth, I think one should be cautious not to bite the newbies, no?
 * I think that some of these team articles are approaching a point where the history section may be split off, but I think it would have to be the entire history, not just selective history. Also, someone noted the use of a separate infobox for "other" incarnations of teams.  While in principle, I don't think of it as a bad idea, some care needs to be taken ... if there are to be separate boxes for NY Giants and SF Giants, will there be separate boxes for the original Los Angeles Angels, and the California Angels, and the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Orane County, California?  Some moves are bigger than others, but in the end, the franchise remains the same. LonelyBeacon (talk) 19:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Split proposal
I've begun a split proposal to create New York Giants (National League). See Talk:History of the San Francisco Giants. Thank you. Wknight94 talk  19:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

"Second longest...?"
This edit makes no factual sense: "The Giants have never won a world championship in San Francisco, the second longest streak in Major League Baseball."

Here's the last time the "Classic 16" won the World Series:
 * 2012 - Giants
 * 2010 - Giants
 * 2009 - Yankees
 * 2008 - Phillies
 * 2007 - Red Sox
 * 2006 - Cardinals
 * 2005 - White Sox
 * 1995 - Braves
 * 1991 - Twins (nee Senators)
 * 1990 - Reds
 * 1989 - A's
 * 1988 - Dodgers
 * 1984 - Tigers
 * 1983 - Orioles (nee Browns)
 * 1954 - Giants
 * 1948 - Indians
 * 1908 - Cubs

←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

CORRECTION: It is the third longestRegisfugit (talk) 01:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Changes regarding World Series victories
Rather than continually reverting, can the interested parties discuss their proposed changes and their rationale for including or not including info on the World Series victories by the Giants compared to any other teams? Isaac Lin (talk) 15:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Regisfugit is a vandal and sock-puppeteer who has been indefinitely blocked. faithless   (speak)  18:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Affiliation with Indianapolis?
My preface is this... I know next to nothing about baseball and/or baseball history. I'm just trying to figure out what is the right info on something I read. Any baseball statistics I quote could/might be wrong and were probably pulled from baseball-reference.com

I've been reading a book on Indianapolis history.

Leary, Edward A., Indianapolis: The Story of a City, USA: The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Inc., 1971.

A portion of the first paragraph of page 142:

''But the city's consuming interest was baseball. Indianapolis had fielded the Military and Great Westerns in the late 1860s and the Blue Legs, its first professional ball team, in 1876, and in 1887 it entered the big leagues. John Brush, enterprising owner of the When Store, brought the St. Louis franchise of the National League and moved it to Indianapolis. The team played in the city for four seasons, but after the 1890 season Brush moved it to New York, where it became the Giants, now the San Francisco Giants.''

At baseball-reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/IND/) I found a listing for a team called the Indianapolis Hoosiers, listed as a National League team playing 1887-1889 seasons. This almost matches the information presented by Leary.

Examining some of the information on that site, I found that a number of the players were members of a team called the St. Louis Maroons before playing in Indianapolis. Again, this supports a portion of the information presented by Leary.

Some of the confusion may stem from the fact that it appears that, on the 1890 roster, a number of NY baseball teams listed former Hoosier players on their rosters. Seven of the 1889 Hoosiers were on the roster for the 1890 Giants. (One such player appears to be the 1890 NL leader for batting average [.336]; Jack Glasscock was a former player/manager of the Hoosiers). 5 former Hoosiers were on the Player's League team Brooklyn Ward's Wonders for 1890. 1891 NYG shows 5 former Hoosiers, 1892 shows 2, and finally 1977 Hall of Famer Amos Rusie 'The Hoosier Thunderbolt' sticking it out until 1895 and then back for 1897-1898 NYG seasons and then again for the 1901 Reds. 1891 Grooms [Dodgers] shows 2 former Hoosiers (one was from the NYG 1890 roster, the other from Ward's Wonders who stuck with the team until 1895).

The balance of the 1889 Hoosiers roster: 4 ended their careers, 2 stopped playing until 1894 and then one went with the NL Washington Senators, the other to the Phillies. The rest kept playing baseball in 1890: 2 went to the Boston Beaneaters [now the Braves], 1 to the Alleghenys [now the Pirates], 1 to the NL Washingtion Nationals, 1 to the AA Louisville Colonels, and the last to the AA Philadelphia Athletics.

So here's the big question... What's the story? Obviously there has to be some tie-in to the Hoosiers and New York. While browsing the Hoosiers' rosters, I found a couple of players that had been born and/or died in NY. A Hall of Famer that spent most of his career with the Giants was born in Indiana and got his start with the Hoosiers. 12 former Hoosiers were playing ball in NY in 1890. A couple of guys on the Hoosiers' rosters even came from NY teams in the first place. Too much coincidence for me. Clearly the Hoosiers weren't moved to NY to become the Giants, but obviously there is some connection. It is clear that it is likely that the St. Louis Maroons were the team mentioned in the book as they are listed as a National League team and their stats end in 1886, and the Hoosiers start in 1887, sporting several former Maroons players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conanian (talk • contribs) 14:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

And to make this coincidence even more strange, I looked at some of my old R L Polk City Directories to find Rusie. I found him listed in my 1889 and 1898 directories. The 1889 still used Indy's old addressing system and showed his house at 39 Walcott. The 1898 directory uses a newer (and in the case of the lower number street addresses, almost identical to modern) numbering system showing him at 317 Walcott. Do you want to know where that is in Indy? Most likely it was the house at the corner of the intersection of N Walcott Ave, and (drumroll......)  NEW YORK STREET! It's actually even possible that if this the same as the modern addressing, then his house may have been demolished to widen New York, and that looks likely because my 1905 directory shows that William Rusie (I think this is Amos's father as he lived at the same address as Amos previously) now living at 328 Walcott which would have been across the street and a little further north. --Conanian (talk) 15:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

 * The Giants were playing in New York since 1883 so they have no connection with the Hoosiers/Maroons... It is possible that their is some connection with the Players League team that was also known as the New York Giants.. But definitely no connection with the team currently known as the S.F. Giants. Spanneraol (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I did track down some info. I found an article online about the Hall-of-Famer Rusie who is clearly from Indiana (His nickname was the Hooiser Thunderbolt!) lived in Indianapolis. My take on the article is that the National League of the time was trying to close down smaller markets. I think maybe the league pulled the Indy team to NY to merge them with the Giants, but then the whole Player's League thing happened. I checked baseball-reference.com's entry for the PL Giants (to which there is a link in the wiki entry you cite) and none of the Hoosiers roster is listed on their roster. The bulk of the Hoosiers' players went to either the NL Giants or the PL Brooklyn Ward's Wonders.--Conanian (talk) 18:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The giants never played in indianapolis. They were known as the New York Gothams before they became the New York Giants —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.229.241 (talk) 17:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As I stated in one of other responses here I have started to figure out what's going on. And, I call BS on 'The giants never played in Indianapolis.' According to the schedule page at baseball-reference.com, NY Giants payed the Indianapolis Hooisers in Indianapolis 4 games late June/early July in 1889. I didn't look up any more of the schedule once I saw that... :P Of course, that also proves that Leary's statement from the book is wrong/mis-worded. --Conanian (talk) 03:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Monte Irvin's number 20 has been retired
I'm no good with graphics, but someone should add Monte Irvin's #20 to the retired numbers section.

Nationality of Players
Given the fact that baseball is becoming an increasingly more international sport (i.e., more non-U.S. leagues in existence, more non-U.S. players in the MLB), the roster formatting on Wikipedia should probably be updated to reflect that. If you look at the formatting for other international sports (such as soccer), the player nationalities are indicated using flag icons. I think this would be a beneficial update to each of the major league rosters in the MLB, it would not be too difficult to implement and it would not clutter the information on the page. However, before such change a change is implemented, I thought it would be healthy to achieve at least some form of consensus on the talk page for each team. yuristache (talk) 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

2010
The 2010 season deserves far more detail than it has been afforded so far. It's hard to understand why the many events of 2010, including major acquisitions and other player-related developments, are seemingly presented as a series of minor addenda to the 2009 season. 69.181.247.60 (talk) 08:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Kirk Rueter's last name is misspelled in the history of the Giants section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.81.251.82 (talk) 05:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

More on Culture?
Should anything relative to the 2010 season be added on culture? I.e. Fear the Beard or "Giants Baseball: Torture" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.229.63 (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

op-ed on Troy City Trojans and brewing trophy controversy
The Troy Record has started a petition calling for the World Series trophy to be displayed in Troy, NY, noting that the SF Giants started out as the Troy City Trojans.

link: http://troyrecord.com/articles/2010/11/03/sports/doc4cd0d3cec4fcd643460898.txt?viewmode=3

Fatandloud (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This is the first i've heard of an actual connection between the Troy Trojans and the Giants. Not sure if they were actually the same team though. Spanneraol (talk) 14:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

 * They were not technically the same team in the way that the Nationals are the same team as the Expos, but they are the same in that the Trojans were disbanded controversially, and the Giants were created in NY with the same group of players. Fatandloud (talk) 18:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Why do you refer to a Major league Baseball Team in The USA when the win a World Series Championship. "World Champs"
In spite of its name, the World Series is contested solely between Major League Baseball's American and National Leagues. Do we see other nations represented here?

It pains me when listening to Sports Broadcasters saying the Major League World Champs when no other Nation played. Should a National sports Champ be classified as a Nation Champ and not the World.

Try and put together a National Team and play against some of the Worlds team and see if you can be World Champs and than I can say World Champ.

A National past time game Champs to be called World Champ. . . The Definition World "world |wərld| noun 1 (usu. the world) the earth, together with all of its countries, peoples, and natural features :

Please stop using World Champs referring to MLB Champs or NBA Champs or AFL ChampsBold text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.74.83 (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

People outside of America assume it is pure arrogance or some bigoted belief in American superiority that leads Americans to refer champions of American sports leagues as World Champions. The truth is alot more innocent. At least when it comes to Baseball.

But basically it's a tradition that dates back 50 years before the US was a major super power. In the early 20th century, the owner of the White Stockings wanted to name the championship series between the National League and the American League "the Championship of the World" because he believed that Baseball would spread to the United Kingdom, Australia, and then the world. He also wanted a more "grandiose" and "sensational" name that the newspapers could get excited about. It was basically a publicity stunt.

So, it's my contention that the belief it is a mix of naive ignorance and a public relations stunt that caused Baseball champs are referred to as "World Champs". Not arrogance. It's my belief that the other sports adopted this practice from baseball.

On strict logical terms, you are correct, but its a cultural tradition, a viral meme if you will, so I doubt it can be changed by an act of Congress or a Presidential order. Perhaps as Americans gain a more "international" outlook things will change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindamar112 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

 * The term "World's Championship Series" dates back to at least 1884, and was coined at a time when high-level professional baseball was only played in America. The term has stuck, and the baseball commissioner, even now, refers to the winners as the "World Champions". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I think it is fair to use the term World Champion despite the fact all the participants are from the United States purely on the basis that, with the exception of Japan, no other nation on earth plays Baseball to such a senior level and even Japanese teams are far inferior to USA teams. To take Association Football as a good bench mark; In the 1960s an, albeit unofficial World Club Championship was set up to be played out every year between the Champions of Europe and South America and no thought was given that North America, Africa and Asia was not represented simply because there were no teams in those regions remotely good enough to compete. It is only in the last ten years that the champions of these other regions have been invited to take part and to date the World Champs have remained either European or South American. By the same token, the term World Champion of Baseball should be considered acceptable until such time as Japanese, or for that matter teams from any other nation reach a level where they could give an average USA team a close game.Captainbeecher (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a Canadian team in Major League Baseball (the Toronto Blue Jays), so it's not simply limited to the U.S. Also, Major League Baseball teams in the U.S. have players from many countries, particularly from Latin America. But as far as this discussion goes, MLB uses the term "World Champions" for the World Series winner; it's not up to Wikipedia to decide that it's not appropriate. Refusing to use that term in this article would make the article inaccurate. JTRH (talk) 14:38, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Comment First thing, this is not a forum for general discussion. But when someone asks a question based on half truths, the question must be answered. The ip using the term "World" geographically, not internationally. The ip thinks that since the games are only played in North America, it can't be a world championship. Yet the players are the top players from all over the world. The represent the worlds best. The best players from just about every country play in the MLB. So yes, it is a worl championship. Would the Olympic Fames not be considered a world championship because all the events take place in one country and not another? The ip needs to expand his/her thinking on this subject. JOJ Hutton  14:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

18 World Series
With the 2011 pennant, the St Louis Cardinals will appear in their 18th World Series, which needs to be added somehow to this article. Huggs & Kisses- Dupey,--75.0.32.52 (talk) 10:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the page for the San Francisco Giants. Why would you mention the St. Louis Cardinals appeared in their 18th World Series on this page? That should be mentioned on the St. Louis Cardinals page. --Jimv1983 (talk) 06:38, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

World Series Win-

Brian Wilson appeared in an Ed Lee mayoral campaign video during the 2011 World Series. Because of this, the Giants were not able to take part in the ceremonial passing of the champs parade as their star was already booked. I believe your point is in valid. 130.212.193.63 (talk) 04:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Uniform picture is now out of date as of 2012
1. There are now piping accents on the standard away uniform.

2. There is a new alt away uniform with the SF logo on the chest and piping accents. It is only worn on Sundays away.

3. The orange alt uniform is only worn at home on Fridays ("Orange Fridays") and only with the black-billed hat.

4. The orange-billed hat is only worn on Sundays (with the standard home uniform or the alt away uniform), and is therefore never worn with the orange alt uniform.

I do not know how best to introduce these changes to the image and I cannot find definitive sources for these observations, so I'll leave this information and these tasks to anyone who can do so. 69.181.245.156 (talk) 10:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I make some redirects
I make some redirect for some messed up typos. Go Giants! --B767-500 (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * S.F. Giant
 * SF Giant
 * SFGIANTS
 * SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
 * SanFrancisco Giants
 * San Francisoc Giants
 * S.F.Giants
 * San Fran Giants
 * S.F. Gaints
 * San Francisco Gaints

Capitalization of section headers
The recent lower-casing of section headers in this article looks pretty ridiculous and inconsistently done. Many of the header titles start with numbered years followed by a colon; should the first words after the colon not be capitalized, as the first "words" of those sentences or sentence fragments? 69.181.245.156 (talk) 13:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Much of the history stuff should be removed altogether as it belongs in the separate history article.Spanneraol (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Technically, colons don't start a new sentence. Wikipedia's guidance on section headings probably wasn't written with this style of sentence in mind. Perhaps flipping the text around would be better (whether the contents stays in this article or is moved to another one): have the short descriptive phrase first, and the year in parentheses afterwards. isaacl (talk) 14:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2014
Grammar correction:

our the current World Champions

Should read:

are the current World Champions

Jeffsorr (talk) 05:34, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Cannolis (talk) 06:09, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

AAA Team
Aren't the Rivercats the AAA team for the Oakland A's and the Fresno Giants the AAA team for the San Francisco Giants i the Pacific Coast League? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.154.3.1 (talk) 20:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe the Giants negotiated a new contract with the River Cats. Don't remember if I heard it or read it somewhere, but I think the reason is because Sacramento is much closer to SF than Fresno is. -- Cubs Fan   (Talk to me)  21:08, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Here are a couple of links:
 * River Cats agree to affiliation deal with Giants
 * Fresno Grizzlies sign deal with Astros, cut ties with Giants
 * Davemck (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Giants colors
I've noticed the ongoing infobox war back-and-forth about the Giants' colors. I don't know what would be the definitive source would be for a team's colors. Is the infobox for reporting the uniform colors, official colors, or something else?

If it's team colors, I guess an argument could be mage the Giants' colors are just "orange and black."

If it's uniform colors, it should noted the Giants' home uniforms switched to 'cream' in 2000. They stopped wearing white. Jeff Kent complained about this in 2000. http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/history/uniforms_logos.jsp confirms this (and the jerseys I bought over the last couple decades).

Of course, do the colors include home white/cream and road grey? The Yankees' infobox lists navy blue, grey, and white, but I think they only wear grey on their road uniforms. The Oakland Athletics' infobox says green, gold, white, but they have a grey road uniform. Should the A's add grey, or should the Yankees infobox remove grey?

What's appropriate standard?

Jjwyatt (talk) 07:18, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I see that the team color has been changed from cream to white again. The Giants have worn cream-colored home jerseys since they moved to AT&T Park in 2000, so I'm not sure what the 'white' refers to. Jjwyatt (talk) 18:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I changed back to cream & added your source as a ref. We'll see how long that lasts. Davemck (talk) 19:28, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Not long. The latest edit ignored the note asking for sources and thinks the Giants wear neither white nor cream.  Why is this so hard? SMH Jjwyatt (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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Subheading titles
Bridesmaid? Resurrection? Awful, and whoever wrote them should be ashamed. That is all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.49.117 (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's not the right WP:TONE for an encyclopedia. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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This page suffers terribly from recentism, especially when compared to other MLB teams. I am in the process of removing some excruciating detail, however it is being reverted. The article is very large. Much of this content could also be moved to History of the San Francisco Giants (which, for the most part, is a mirror of this article's "history" section). Frank Anchor Talk 20:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2022
change "as of 2020" in the intro to "as of 2021" Tstrass (talk) 14:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Why? The source hasn't been updated. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ The source has been updated. —C.Fred (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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The Giants have not had a team captain since Jack Clark in 1985. Not Buster Posey and not Brandon Belt. Tugboatcaptain1972 (talk) 01:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

 * Sorry, Clark was team captain in 1984, as stated on the entry... Tugboatcaptain1972 (talk) 01:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 02:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

The Dodgers have 21 World Series appearances. The Giants 20. Not the same.
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 * Done. -- Mvqr (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Club Wow

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 04:15, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Club Wow
Non-notable band that apparenly only ever released one single--no albums. 10 displayed hits for "Club Wow" secich, several of which are Wikipedia mirrors. Niteowlneils 21:22, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; one 7-inch is not a sufficient discography. --Idont Havaname 23:36, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, possible band vanity. Megan1967 07:21, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, but for me it's close. Wyss 20:47, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Wall of Sound

WTF??
This is trash, the real wall of sound is the kinda thing used in metal, not some crap by this spector guy... I think this should have something to do with the technique of instruments used, not just reverb shit... That would cover the REAL wall of sound You sir win the award —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.232.122 (talk) 04:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

 * If you live to be older, you may someday understand, but you probably won't. As Heinlein once wrote, "the Meth is a harsh mistress".  Wall of Sound preceded metal (you douche).  Also, check out the Grateful Dead's PA from the mid-70s.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.32.170 (talk) 09:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Examples?
anyone have any song examples by artists that really use this type of orchestration?
 * I know Trent Reznor uses the reverb-room method for his percussion. Instead of putting a drum machine directly through an artificial reverb effects machine, he'll take a drum machine and some speakers in a room, put a microphone somewhere else in the room, and then record it.  Just about every synthesized drum you hear in a Nine Inch Nails track is actually a recording of that drum synthesizer being played in the location of some room.  --69.234.183.71 20:06, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wall of Sound (disambiguation)
I deleted this because it is simply 100% wrong: "The same term (more commonly known as "sheets of sound") was also frequently used to describe the improvising style of tenor sax player John Coltrane, particularly his way of running through scales rapid fire—the individual notes blurring into a larger pattern." Wall of Sound, Sheets of Sound, two totally different things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.32.170 (talk) 09:14, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

There are several meanings of Wall of Sound. there is a well known music label called "Wall of Sound" that promotes mostly electronic music - i actually expected to find a page about that label when i searched for "wall of sound" in the wikipedia. therefore, i would start an disambiguation for "Wall of sound".

anyone with me? --Abdull 11:46, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Can you describe your meaning of wall of sound? If it's a sound technique, it would fit onto this page. It's also used a lot for "avant garde" / experimental bands. Sonic Youth, for instance. I think it generally means solid, continuous sounds (i.e. drones).

 * Hey there, yes disambiguation is a good idea. Many fans of the Grateful Dead know the "Wall of Sound" to be the band's massive (and primitive) collection of onstage amplification tools used to produce, well, a wall of sound at concerts.  This was used where there weren't house monitors available.  (Please see the article "Grateful Dead" in Wikipedia.

 * Yes the wall of sound was the Grateful Deads huge P.A. they took on the road in the 70s.

 * As for merging, I don't like the idea. People will talk about the Wall of Sound whenever Phil Spector comes up (and on his page) but the technique is quite famous in music lore and people will want to know what "it" is, not necessarily only who the inventor is.

 * Thank you, Jon Anderson March 16, 2006 8:34pm (Tokyo time).

 * Examples of the wall of sound: Weezer - the blue album, the Rentals - Return of the Rentals, My Bloody Valentine, M83

Wall of Sound (disambiguation 2) :-(
Unfortunately, there is a 21st century meaning of "Wall of Sound" that has hardly anything to do with Phil Spector (it'd rather OFFEND the quality of his work!) but with mastering as loud as possible, see also Loudness_war. Maybe it could be added to Disambiguation page directly or to THIS page. Well, I'm as reluctant as mastering gurus like Bob Ludwig - answering a "make it louder!" request with: Do you REALLY want that? Seriously? - that is, not fire it on the page without asking first. -andy 80.129.89.152 02:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Examples?
I think it would be helpful to include some famous examples of this technique. But I don't know enough about this myself to add any... David Bergan 19:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

 * "By My Baby" by The Ronettes and "Da Doo Ron Ron" by The Crystals were among the first canonical Wall of Sound songs to be major hits. Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run" is one of the earilest well-known non-Spector tunes to also use the technique.

 * "I Guess I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" by the Beach Boys or really the entire Pet Sounds Album. George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" album also has the wall of sound in a big way. They Hey-dey of the Wall of Sound was the early 60s Motown hits that Phil Specter did with his distinct sound which was classifed as the Wall of sound. Brian Wilson and Lilywhite are probably the two biggest producers who ripped off the production technique.

-On that note- not sure if "Dancing Queen" is accurate. Does it use so much echo and room miking as Spector did? Again, it's important to note that "Wall of Sound" doesn't just mean "a ton of instruments." It refers to the way those instruments are echoed and processed to form a giant mass of sound in which you can't necesessarily pick any of the rhythm players out- in ABBA, on the other hand, i feel like the guitars and pianos may be many but are also individually well-balanced. Just a thought.

Why aren't there more (any?) examples of "wall of sound" records actually produced by Spector? After all if this idiom is credited to him, shouldn't this article list more of his work as examples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.164.155 (talk) 02:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Phil Spector?
Discussion moved to Talk:Phil Spector. Hyacinth 12:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Modern Implementations?
It would be interesting to know if the Wall of Sound technique is being reproduced with modern digital techniques and, if so, what those might be.

 * The "wall of sound" concept really only describes the birth of layering as multitrack recording developed (due to Les Paul.) Spector was the first one to widely employ this technique with impunity and the term originates WITH him and ought not be associated with the heavily biased and contentious discussions of "loudness wars" aka the practice of overlimiting final recordings in the MASTERING stage, because Wall of Sound is a MIX concept and this represent "definition creep" and belongs on urban dictionary, not wikipedia, due to lack of historical depth and lack of widespread usage. In addition to layering the use of reverberant spaces, tape delays, etc can be considered a part of it, basically you are talking about three dimensional mixing or spacial mixing, which came into its own even more with the introduction of stereophonic recording and producers like Alan Parsons. This article needs a cleanup from a real engineer.

I'm currently researching, and building a wall of sound template using Logic as my DAW, There are a few teething problems, but, if anyone would like a copy of the template please email me: thompsom15@roehampton.ac.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.182.182 (talk) 16:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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Let It Be album
I think it's inaccurate to say that Spector's 're-production' of Let It Be is any kind of example of the wall of sound, let alone 'the most famous use' of it.

There's an particular 'feel' to a wall of sound record, which these recordings don't have. The overdubs are standard horn and string arrangements, penned by arranger Richard Anthony Hewson and recorded in a straightforward way.

I suggest removing this part of the article unless someone can come up with a citation to back up the idea that the retouched 'Let It Be' songs were meant to be wall of sound arrangements. The mere fact that Spector's name is on the record isn't enough. Domino42 (talk) 03:10, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Just did this, using quotation from original LP sleeve. 99.93.246.124 (talk) 21:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Megalomanic conundrum
The section on recording techniques contains some very wacky turns of phrase - megalomanic conundrum, vocal protagonism - rewrite? Bitbut (talk) 13:50, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Uncited other musicians and producers
I've marked the growing list of acts that are purport to use wall of sound production. For these to be included in the article, we need to find reliable sources that use the term (wall of sound) when describing these efforts. Without references, this material is original research and/or fancruft. --Kvng (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Unrelated concept
I removed the "see also"-section, linking to loudness war, as I fail to see any relation between these concepts whatsoever. Devanatha (talk) 23:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

This is not an article
but a promo for Spector/WoS. Utterly disgraceful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 (talk) 15:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you suggest to improve it?--Ilovetopaint (talk) 23:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

A little too much repeated early
The end of the intro repeats about 70% of the quote from Layering. Perhaps this could be "pared down" to the minimum so that we don't (deja vu) read the same thing twice in the same article.2600:8807:4800:463:3D25:DF12:49E2:D9BE (talk) 21:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)Dfoofnik not logged in)

The use of the term "critical shorthand"
The article uses "critical shorthand" in the second paragraph: "Critical shorthand usually reduces the Wall of Sound inaccurately to a maximum of noise.", and then again later: "It has been inaccurately suggested in critical shorthand that Spector's 'wall of sound' filled every second with a maximum of noise". The article fails to define what this term means and the answer is not easily obtainable from a search engine or dictionary search; it seems to be an obscure term used in academia. Ericobnn (talk) 22:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * removed from lead, clunky, it's trying to say critics of the method thought 'Wall of Sound' = 'Maximum noise.' Acousmana 20:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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Myths of the Near Future

Myths of the Near Future is a collection of science fiction short stories by British writer J. G. Ballard, first published in 1982.

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The Mercury Prize-winning band Klaxons named their debut album after the book, and have been quoted as saying they are fans of Ballard's work, reflected in their science fiction and futuristic lyrical content.
 * "Myths of the Near Future"
 * "Having a Wonderful Time" - Written in the form of postcards, the story chronicles a young couple who vacation on the Canary Islands, but their flight home is repeatedly cancelled until it becomes apparent that they—along with thousands of other families vacationing—will never return home, and have been forever exiled.
 * "A Host of Furious Fancies" - A doctor looks into the curious case of a young girl who became orphaned after her father inexplicably killed himself several years after her mother died. In the care of nuns, the girl shows bizarre behaviors, such as burning childhood books, and obsessively cleaning out the fireplaces afterwards.  Despite the fact that she inherited millions from her parents, she treats herself as a servant, allowing herself to become malnourished.  It is suspected by the doctor that before his death, the girl's father had engaged in an incestuous relationship with her, and to cope with the trauma she is playing out the fairytale of Cinderella.
 * "Zodiac 2000"
 * "News from the Sun"
 * "Theatre of War"
 * "The Dead Time" -"The Dead Time" (1977) is a quasi-autobiographical tale suggested by Ballard's release from a Japanese prison camp at the close of World War II — part of the subject matter which later inspired the novel Empire of the Sun, which, however, features totally different characters and story line.
 * "The Smile" - A man buys what he thinks to be a very lifelike and realistic doll named Serena. Over time, he makes new discoveries about Serena, and comes to the conclusion that she is actually a real girl who has been taxidermied.  Enchanted by her frozen smile, he falls in love with her and treats her as if she were his wife, slowly falling into paranoia.
 * "Motel Architecture" - A man who lives alone begins to suspect that there is someone in his house, convinced that he can hear the intruder breathing. It soon becomes apparent that the intruder is trying to kill him.
 * "The Intensive Care Unit" - The story takes place within a society in which everyone is isolated, living alone and communicating (much like webcams) through their TVs. A young family tries to kill each other after they decide to meet in person.

Reception
Dave Pringle reviewed Myths of the Near Future for Imagine magazine, and stated that "Ballard has a talent for striking the contemporary nerve. Although made over into SF, the situations in this book are all too real. It is our world he is describing."

Reviews

 * Review by Colin Greenland (1982) in Interzone, #3 Autumn 1982
 * Review by Faren Miller (1983) in Locus, #264 January 1983
 * Review by Nick Lowe (1983) in Vector 113
 * Review by Michael Bishop (1984) in Foundation, #30 March 1984, reprinted in:
 * Review [French] by Jean-Pierre Andrevon (1985) in Proxima [France], #6

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WCSC-TV

WCSC-TV (channel 5) is a television station in Charleston, South Carolina, United States, affiliated with CBS and owned by Gray Television. The station's studios are located in the West Ashley section of Charleston, and its transmitter is located in Awendaw, South Carolina. Both the studio and road are named for long-time WCSC personalities: Bill Sharpe, a news anchor from 1973 until his retirement in 2021, and Charlie Hall, the station's original personality who died just months before its relocation to the current facilities in 1997.

History
WCSC-TV began broadcasting on June 19, 1953. Originally operating from studios located on East Bay Street in downtown Charleston, it was the second television station in South Carolina and the oldest continuously operating station in the state (the first was WCOS-TV in Columbia, which broadcast from May 1953 to January 1956). It is the only station in Charleston to keep its original network affiliation since sign-on. The channel aired an analog signal on VHF channel 5 and was originally owned by the Rivers family along with WCSC radio (AM 1390, now WSPO, and 96.9 FM, now WIWF).

Many of WCSC's early on-air staff were former radio disc jockeys who became involved with the new medium of television in 1953, including Al Stone, formerly recruited from WGAR who at the time worked alongside Alan Freed (Moondog) in Cleveland. Al Stone started with WCSC in 1952 as a radio DJ and the following year started hosting as emcee local program in 1953 called Waxworks and later a local popular American Bandstand–type dance show reviewing music for local teens. Carroll Godwin hosted a local daytime talk show in the 1960s. Loraine (Rainee) Evans hosted the popular children's program The Happy Raine Show. Ken Klyce was another popular news announcer.

The Rivers family sold WCSC-TV to Crump Communications of Houston in 1987 while the radio stations were sold to Ralph Guild of New York City. Crump kept the station until selling it to GE Capital in 1991. Three years later, WCSC-TV was sold to the Jefferson-Pilot Corporation in 1994. Jefferson-Pilot merged with the Lincoln Financial Group in 2006 with its broadcast properties assuming the new corporate name of Lincoln Financial Media. In 1997, the station moved to newly built studios on Charlie Hall Boulevard in the West Ashley section of Charleston. The street was named for WCSC's longtime weatherman, Charlie Hall, who had been the first person seen on the station when it signed on in 1953. One of the station's most popular personalities, Hall stayed at channel 5 there covering events including Hurricane Hugo's impact on Charleston in 1989 until his death in March 1997. Local sports coverage has also been prominent at WCSC. In the early 1980s, Charleston Cougars games were aired on the station. It aired the Cooper River Bridge Run from 1986 until 1990 and resumed the telecasts in 2004. The broadcasts feature reporters on the course.

WCSC was the local outlet for Atlantic Coast Conference basketball and Southeastern Conference football which have been produced by its parent company since the 1980s. In 2004, Jefferson-Pilot management effectively forced out Warren Peper (who had been with the station since 1974) by only offering him a one-year extension of his contract with no renewal option. The popular anchor, who had handled both news and sports during his time at WCSC, was also the play-by-play announcer for the station's live coverage of college basketball and the Cooper River Bridge Run.

After the station was sold to Jefferson-Pilot, Peper was a sideline reporter for the company's syndicated college football broadcasts. Peper went to Media General's WCBD-TV after a one-year non-compete agreement in the market expired. Viewers wrote that they hoped WCSC would not force out longtime anchors Bill Sharpe and Debi Chard in the same way. WCSC had lured meteorologist Bill Walsh away from rival WCIV in 1994 and had to hide his identity with thunderclouds when running station promotions during his non-compete agreement.

On November 12, 2007, Lincoln Financial Media entered into an agreement to sell WCSC and the company's two other television stations (WBTV in Charlotte, North Carolina, and WWBT in Richmond, Virginia) and Lincoln Financial Sports to Raycom Media for $583 million. Raycom took ownership of the station on April 1, 2008. This made WCSC sister to WIS in Columbia, WTOC-TV in Savannah, Georgia, and WMBF-TV in Myrtle Beach. Between them, the four stations cover the eastern two-thirds of South Carolina.

On October 3, 2013, in honor of Bill Sharpe's 40 years at the station, the studio was renamed the Bill Sharpe Studio.

On June 25, 2018, Gray Television announced its intent to acquire Raycom for $3.65 billion, pending regulatory approval. The sale was completed on January 2, 2019.

Sports
Since 2024, WCSC's 3rd subchannel has aired select matches featuring the Charleston Battery of the USL Championship.

News operation
WCSC's newscasts have long dominated the ratings in Charleston. The station's various owners have always poured significant resources into the news department, resulting in a much higher-quality product than conventional wisdom would suggest for a market of Charleston's size. The station had the same two news anchors weeknights at 6:30 from the mid-1970s until 1991 and the same three news anchors were together until 1997. Bill Sharpe became an employee at the station in 1973 after a short time at WTMA and has been with the station for over 40 years, with the station naming the primary studio for him in 2013. For most of the time since 1991, he has been teamed with Debi Chard. Sharpe retired on October 28, 2021. WCSC has been a trend-setter in South Carolina for newscasts as it expanded its local evening news programming on weeknights from thirty minutes to two and a half hours and has the most newscasts in the state within a broadcast day.

After Fox requested its affiliates to air local news in the early 1990s, WTAT-TV (then owned by Act III Broadcasting) entered into a news share agreement with WCSC. This resulted in a nightly prime time broadcast known as The Fox 24 News at 10 to debut. It was the first prime time show in South Carolina, in the early 90s, followed by Fox affiliate WACH in Columbia which had a similar arrangement with NBC affiliate WIS, in that market, during the mid to late 90s. Eventually, an hour-long morning show on weekdays called The Fox 24 News at 7 also produced by WCSC launched on WTAT. Both shows originate from a secondary studio at 2126 Charlie Hall Boulevard (not the Sharpe studio). The 10 o'clock news is currently the second highest rated broadcast in the area.

In 1991, this station began airing a one-hour broadcast weeknights at 6 which later became ninety minutes from 5 to 6:30 followed by CBS Evening News in 1997. Prior to this, the national news aired at 7. In January 2000, WCSC launched its regional weather radar called "Live Super Doppler 5000". Now known as "Super Doppler HD", the system comprises four regional live NOAA National Weather Service radars and its own Collins radar sold by Advanced Designs Corporation in Bloomington, Indiana (which makes the station the only one in the market to operate its own radar). The station has often shared weather radars with fellow Raycom stations since the practice started after being purchased by Jefferson-Pilot.

In 2004, it added a thirty-minute newscast weekdays at 4 p.m. now totaling two hours of local broadcasts between 4 and 6:30. WCSC is the only station in the area to air local news at 4. In August 2006, with anchor and format changes at the CBS Evening News and concerns over ratings, it added a prime time show weeknights at 7 to "piggyback" with the network newscast. WCSC and ABC affiliate WCIV-DT2 are the only stations in the area to offer news in this time slot, and is similar to fellow Raycom stations in the Carolinas, following the lead of WIS, which has run 7 p.m. since 1963.

The station expanded its weather product with the "Live 5 Storm TRACKER Mobile Storm Center". It is the first vehicle of its kind in the region and allows WCSC meteorologists access to weather data away from the station and ability to send back live weather data for display on-air. On September 29, 2008, WCSC set another broadcasting benchmark in the area when it became the first to offer newscasts in high definition. The upgrade included new custom Raycom corporate graphics, a re-designed HD logo, and updated music package. The WTAT broadcasts were initially not included in the new HD production because that station was not yet equipped to broadcast local or syndicated programming in high definition. As of January 24, 2011, the WTAT news shows are now in HD. Starting August 31, 2009, the weeknight prime time show at 10 on WTAT was expanded to an hour and added a second news anchor.

On January 25, 2014, WCSC-TV expanded its news presence, again, by adding a Saturday and Sunday morning broadcast of Live 5 News This Morning from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m.

On December 31, 2015, WCSC-TV produced its last broadcast for WTAT-TV (with production for that station moving to sister station WCIV). WCSC-TV began producing an expansion to Live 5 News on its Bounce digital subchannel from 7 a.m. to 8 a.m. The station also began airing a 7:30 p.m. newscast, in late November, weeknights to bring its 7 p.m. news to a full hour.

Notable former on-air staff

 * Tim Lake – Now retired
 * Ben Mankiewicz – later at TMZ and now at Turner Classic Movies and current co-host of The Young Turks
 * Bill Sharpe – anchor (1973–2021)

Subchannels
The station's signal is multiplexed: {{legend|#DFEBF6|Broadcast on behalf of another station}}

WCSC-TV launched a second subchannel on January 8, 2010, that carries additional programming, branded as Live 5+. Until 2013, the schedule consisted of additional syndicated programming (some of which has moved to other stations) as well as select programming from the main channel aired on 5.2. On December 26, 2013, select programming from This TV was added the channel. As of 2016, syndicated programs are no longer seen on the schedule. WCSC-TV added Bounce TV to 5.3 upon its launch on September 26, 2011.

Analog-to-digital conversion
WCSC-TV shut down its analog signal, over VHF channel 5, at 6 a.m. on June 12, 2009, as part of the federally mandated transition from analog to digital television. Reporter Bill Burr and chief meteorologist Bill Walsh conducted the switch inside the transmitter room during the station's morning newscast. The station's digital signal remained on its pre-transition UHF channel 47, using virtual channel 5.

On June 1, 2018, as part of the repacking process, WCSC-TV moved its digital signal to channel 19.

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"The law limits the practice of other faiths" - even if true, which I don't think it is, this is too vague for an encyclopedia. Limits how? - 64.81.54.23 21:27, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That is mentioned later in the article. One exampel is "Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men (Family Code I.II.31).."

Also, it is reasonable to include in the lead section of the article, because that section is supposed to be a summary of the whole article. Stereotek 18:22, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

But that isn't a limitation of "the practice of other faiths"; rather, that's a case of religious discrimination. I've searched for evidence that it does limit the practice of other faiths, and found none. - Mustafaa 18:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I disagree, I think it is. Many religions consider marriage to be a religious ceremony, and because of that, the law limit non-Muslims rights to practice that specific part of their religion. They are only allowed to practice (the by some religions considered "holy" /see:) marriage with other non-Muslims. In other words it is of course a case of discrimination, but this kind of discrimination also deny non-Muslims the right to pratice their religion freely, with whoever they wish to. "The law limits the practice of other faiths" Stereotek 19:06, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

To the contrary. No religion requires you to marry members of other religions; you can quite happily practice any religion with or without this law. With respect to Muslim women, this law has no impact on religious freedom - as Islam forbids such marriages - and with respect to non-Muslim men, this law limits their choices of wife, not their freedom to practice their religion. If we start listing limitations on marriage as limitation of "the practice of other faiths", we would have to list incest laws, anti-gay marriage laws, and a whole bundle of other completely irrelevant stuff. - Mustafaa 19:48, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

To summarize: It's not a "limitation of the practice of other faiths" to ban something that's permissible to them. It's religiously perfectly acceptable for a Christian to take marijuana (depending on who you ask), but that doesn't mean a ban on marijuana is a "limitation of the practice of Christianity": it's only a "limitation of the practice of Rastafarianism". - Mustafaa 20:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I will still argue that the law limit the practice of non-islamic religions, in a way that Islam is not limited. Muslim men can practice their religious islamic marriages without limitations, when they get marriaged to a non-Muslim woman. A non-Muslim man is on the other hand not allowed to practice his religious marriage, if he should want to marriage a Muslim woman. The law limits his practice of his non-Muslim faith, in a way that the Muslim man is not limited in his practice of his religion. Stereotek 20:34, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What gives you that impression? Just because the law does not recognize such marriages doesn't mean it bans the performance of the marriage ceremony. - Mustafaa 20:44, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"To summarize: It's not..." First of all I don't think it's reasonable to compare a marriage to a Muslim woman to taking marijuana :-) Also, I must admit that I don't know much about Rastafarianism, but maybe it actually does interfere with their religious practices, to ban marijuana. But then I would argue that there are proberly more real and valid non-religious arguements for these laws. The laws against specific religious marriages is on the other hand, as you mention yourself, "a case of religious discrimination." Stereotek 21:37, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"What gives you that impression?..." If the law doesn't recognize the non-Muslim man/Muslim woman marriage, the law atleast limit the the value of the non-Muslim religious practice, in a way that the (by Islam accepted) practices is not limited. "The law limits the practice of other faiths" in a way that makes them meaningless. That is as mentioned NOT the case if a Muslim man wish practice his religious marriage, and get marriage to a non-Muslim woman. Stereotek 21:37, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You might as well say the US law against polygamy limits the practice of other faiths; do you say that? And ss I understand it, marijuana serves Rastafarians in much the same way as wine serves Christians: an essential substance for certain religious rituals. - Mustafaa 22:33, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bouteflika quote
No doubt Bouteflika did say "the Algerian people is 100% muslim!" or words to that effect, but to include a quote, you really have to give the source - newspaper and date, for instance. By all means readd it once you find it! - Mustafaa 19:10, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I saw him saying that in the ENTV, I don't remember if it was an official speech or an electoral one, I really doubt finding that quote in a news paper. If I find it, I'll post it.--Agurzil 19:57, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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FEPC

FEPC may refer to:
 * Fair Employment Practice Committee
 * Federation of Electric Power Companies, a Japanese organization

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Winnipeg Sun

The Winnipeg Sun is a daily tabloid newspaper in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

It is owned by Postmedia following its acquisition of Sun Media, and shares many characteristics typical of Sun tabloids, including an emphasis on local news stories, extensive sports coverage, and a daily Sunshine Girl.

The newspaper, like most of those in the Canadian Sun chain, are known for short, snappy news stories aimed primarily at working class readers. The Sun's layout is based somewhat upon that of British tabloids.

The newspaper is distributed throughout the Winnipeg metro region through retail sales, vending machines and home delivery. According to Canadian Newspaper Association figures, the newspaper's average weekday circulation for the second quarter of 2016 (April–June) is 44,424. This figure was 36,905 on Saturdays, and 38,079 on Sundays.

History
On August 27, 1980, Southam Newspapers closed the Winnipeg Tribune after 90 years in publication, leaving Winnipeg with only one daily newspaper, the Winnipeg Free Press.

While planning for the Winnipeg Sun was taking place, another group that was publishing The Downtowner and The Suburban, had publicly stated in their editorial they were strongly considering transforming their weeklies into Winnipeg's next major daily newspaper; this, however, did not happen.

In response to demand for a new newspaper voice in the city, the Winnipeg Sun was announced at a press conference in October 1980, and first published on November 5, 1980. Its founders were Al Davies, Frank Goldberg, William (Bill) A. Everitt and Tom Denton, with Denton being the first publisher. It initially published Monday, Wednesday and Friday editions. Afternoon home delivery began on December 19, 1980. Carriers collected $1.50 every two weeks from subscribers.

It extended its publication cycle to include Tuesday and Thursday editions on April 27, 1981. The paper added a Sunday edition on September 12, 1982. The Sun moved to seven-day publication in 1992.

Because the newspaper did not normally publish a Tuesday edition, a special edition reporting on assassination attempt of U.S. President Ronald Reagan was printed on March 31, 1981.

Starting August 4, 1981, the Sun moved to a morning home-delivery schedule. The newspapers were expected to be done by 6:30 a.m.

On March 10, 1982, the Sun reduced the size of the paper to more closely resemble that of the other tabloid-size newspapers.

The newspaper started publishing Sunday through Friday beginning September 12, 1982, with its largest paper to date at 120 pages.

Winnipeg, curiously, is one of the very few cities in Canada or the United States where a new daily newspaper emerged after the death of the No. 2 underdog. Aside from the free Metro daily publications, outside of Toronto, Winnipeg is the only other city in English Canada with two separately owned competing metropolitan daily newspapers.

In its early days, the newspaper's offices were located at 290 Garry Street in downtown Winnipeg, around the corner from the offices that had housed the defunct Winnipeg Tribune. In 1983, the newspaper moved to a building in suburban Inkster Industrial Park, presaging a similar move by the Winnipeg Free Press some years later.

In February 1983, Quebecor invested in the newspaper, at a time when circulation of the Sun had grown to 34,000 daily. Lack of advertisers and not owning its own printing press caused the paper's debts to grow. The new owners reviewed continuing Winnipeg magazine, but by June 1984 the last edition was published. On January 5, 1999, Quebecor acquired the Sun Media chain of newspapers. On May 10, 1999, the newspaper was relaunched, taking on an appearance consistent with the Toronto Sun, the Edmonton Sun, the Calgary Sun and the Ottawa Sun.

On June 22, 2020, the Sun discontinued its print edition on Mondays.

On May 27, 2024, Postmedia announced that it would sell the Winnipeg Sun, the Portage la Prairie Graphic Leader, Kenora Miner and News, and Postmedia's Winnipeg printing operations to politician and former Sun publisher Kevin Klein.

Comic strips
The Sun carries a comics page. Some of the initial comics published in the Sun were Ziggy, Frank and Ernest, Dallas, Ben Swift, John Darling, Graves, Inc., Barbara Cartland's Romances, Heathcliff, The Neighborhood, and Winthrop.

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Talk:Fightstar

Fightstar is
The introduction of the article should be "Fightstar is a British alternative rock band from London, formed in 2003." as 'Fightstar' refers to the band as a unit. Treating 'Fightstar' as a plural noun is only grammatically acceptable when referring to the members of the band. ~Peter Dzubay (talk) 04:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Busted
I've tried to add Busted as an associated act for years, but it keeps being removed. 2A02:C7D:5BA8:1800:742B:CCA4:6AF7:BFE7 (talk) 14:26, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 * That is misuse of associated acts. There must be multiple members shared, not just Charlie. A less common but still acceptable use is multiple guest appearances on songs that have either charted or are otherwise proven notable. Busted fits neither of the criteria.  danny music editor  Speak up! 16:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

The Busted page needs Fightstar removed then 2A02:C7D:5BF3:8500:CDC7:8618:91C6:325F (talk) 02:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Tom Bryant, TeamRock.com Inclusion
I thought I'd open this up to the editors. There's been some debate on the inclusion of teamrock.com's opinion piece on why Busted reformed. Personally, I don't think it belongs in a Wikipedia article as it appears to lean in bias toward this idea Simpson rejoined the pop band for financial gain which he has denied in the past. I'm not too knowledgeable on the source either, but is teamrock.com acceptable according to Wikipedia standards? I thought it would be something of a minority source, and I can't seem to find anything online to back up the author's claim.

Also, I'm happy to include it if majority decides but could we also get something similar to the Busted page with direct quotes from Simpson in regards to his decision? Something similar to this line?

Regarding his decision to rejoin the band, Simpson told Newsbeat: "I reckon I said it [so many times], privately and publicly, and I meant it every single time. But as I say I have changed my mind and that has been down to the circumstances changing. I never thought we would get to a point where we were in a studio writing music we all got behind creatively and that was a huge shock to me".

Thanks guys!

Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 13:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

 * WP:ALBUM/SOURCE lists TeamRock as reliable. The album Wikiproject usually qualifies anything as reliable for anything related to music, in fact. I can add something about Simpson's comments, too.  danny music editor  oops 15:02, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Danny, happy to meet in the middle there using that source you provided. Are you okay to write it up and I'll check on it later? Thanks for providing info on teamrock.com. Once again, discussion still open for any other contributors out there! Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 15:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Neutral third party who knows nothing of the bands in question but noticed arguments over this: I think it'd be pretty easy to come to a compromise on this. Both can be included really. Team Rock is a reliable source, and the conclusion they come to seems pretty reasonable. (Modern rocker goes pop to pay the bills is a pretty common scenario in modern music.) But it does sound like it's more of a suspicion than a fact. So I just think it needs to be altered as such. Just tweak it to say something to the capacity of "Some outlets/music journalists, such as Team Rock/its writer speculated that it was due to Fightstar never being particularly financially successful, but in a Newsbeat interview, Simpson stated that he was swayed due to the chemistry in the studio". Or whatever wordings you need to make it accurate to what the 2 sources say. (Personal note: If there's any suspicion that Simpson's quote about studio chemistry is PR nonsense, then he'll likely say that in retrospective statements once the new Busted album cycle is done with, so that can always be added in years future too.) Sergecross73   msg me  15:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Agreed with Sergecross. If this can be edited in such a way that we include both reasons, I'm happy. Although, I am wary of including speculation on a Wikipedia article rather than official statements. I concede that it is something debated amongst the band's community but until a member of Fightstar or Busted outright state something contrary to what Simpson has said in interviews, I don't really think it is needed. The section ending on:

On 10 November 2015 Simpson reunited with Busted to record new music and tour,[78] saying that Fightstar would continue to tour and release music as a "passion project" for its members.[79]

is actually a good stopping point until Fightstar's next project.

But again, as a compromise has been made I am more than happy to see it included. Thanks for your input.

Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 17:05, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Speculation is generally considered acceptable as long as it is 1) from a reliable source and 2) portrayed accurately as such. And again, it seems like a pretty likely situation. They're not speculating it was due to some crazy situation with drugs or sexual abuse or something. They're saying a band member from a lower selling rock band went back to his better selling pop music project for financial reasons. Not exactly a hot take. Sergecross73   msg me  17:13, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Third party but a fan of both bands. From my short time on here, I can see that speculation is generally acceptable and as it stands, I see nothing wrong with including the Tom Bryant piece as long as a statement from Simpson is included. In fact, I think having this in the article will avoid appease both fan bases and avoid unnecessary edit wars/vandalisation in the future. Also, would love to quickly compliment on the quality of this article. It really is fantastic. EditHelp62 (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Alternative metal
What is needed for alternative metal to be included in the infobox? More sources? If so, I can find more sources. Bowling is life (talk) 03:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

 * TL;DR: yes. Full explanation: The way I structured the article ages ago, it fits best if we had at least two sources which gave solid support toward it in order for it to be infobox-level of noteworthy; I explained this to you once, but you didn't keep it on your page. This diff gave my explanation on what sources should be used in the first place, and as I recall it, you agreed with it. The Rolling Stone article somewhat did this, so I allowed it to stay in style, but Digital Spy really didn't offer much content at all, let alone any analyzing their sound.  danny music editor  oops 05:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah I forgot about that. I don't know why I removed that from ny talk page. Well, thanks for the explanation. I might try to find really good sources that really analyze thier sound but that probably isn't going to be easy. Bowling is life (talk) 05:39, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If its that difficult to find a source for something, chances are it may not be the best choice for infobox placement. It shouldn't be so prominently featured in the article, like in the infobox, if it's not prominently used to describe the band... Sergecross73   msg me  18:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Associated acts
How is Fightstar an "associated act" on Busted's page, but not the other way round? Either have both bands as associated bands or neither. 2A02:C7D:5BF3:8500:CDC5:DD29:7029:97A0 (talk) 17:13, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

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Věra Flasarová

Věra Flasarová (born 19 December 1952 in Ostrava) is a Czech politician and Member of the European Parliament for the Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia; part of the European United Left–Nordic Green Left party group in the European Parliament. She was elected initially in the period 2004–2009, but she entered again the European Parliament in January 2014 replacing Vladimír Remek who became the Czech ambassador to Moscow.

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Davis Waldorf School

The Davis Waldorf School is a private school located in Davis, California, United States. A Waldorf school, it was established in 1986 and teaches students from preschool through eighth grade.

Site and buildings
In the fall of 1992, the school was able to move from its first rural site to its current campus in North Davis. The new classroom buildings were designed to support the principles of Waldorf education and include many environmentally sound features such as rammed-earth walls formed of native California clays, natural cork flooring, natural lighting, passive solar and radiant heating and the use of plant-based paint where possible.

In the summer of 2010, the school added several new buildings. A two classroom kindergarten building, a multi-purpose building, and a new office building. The buildings are prefabricated purpose built buildings, rather than the 'portables' that are in use in many schools in the US.

Curriculum and activities
The school follows a typical curriculum for Waldorf schools in California. Due to the agricultural nature of the Davis area, and the number of organic farms in the area, gardening and field trips to work on farms are a natural program. Davis Waldorf students raised money to start a kindergarten in Tanzania.

The school has a music program, that includes workshops for the broader community.

Classes
The schedule of classes is different every day of the week, and the schedule repeats each week. Because of the small number of students in each class, all students share all their classes with all the other children in their grade, with the exception of the different levels of Spanish, Algebra, and Orchestra/Band.

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Hellas Jet

Hellas Jet was a charter airline based in Athens, Greece, operating services to Greece from destinations in Europe. Its main base was Athens International Airport. Hellas Jet was a licensed scheduled and charter carrier, holding a JAA AOC and a Line Maintenance Certificate under JAA/EASA Part 145, both approved by the Hellenic Civil Aviation Authority. It ceased operations in 2010 due to economic difficulties. The repossession of two of their Airbus A320 aircraft, 87 and 88, was documented on Discovery channel TV programme Airplane Repo. The company slogan was More than a flight.

History
The airline was started in 2002 as a Cyprus Airways subsidiary and the first flight was on 24 June 2003 from Athens. At the end of the first year of operation, they had completed 3,855 flights and carried over 250,000 passengers. Due to heavy losses, Hellas Jet suspended all scheduled flights from 10 May 2005. In January 2006, the airline announced it would refocus on charter operations. In August 2006, Cyprus Airways sold its shares to Air Miles, the trading name of Trans World Aviation. The aim is to resume services later in 2007 using wet leased Airbus A320 aircraft. It was wholly owned by Air Miles and had 50 employees (at March 2009).

Hellas Jet was an IATA member.

Destinations
As a scheduled airline, Hellas Jet initially operated two daily flights from Athens to Paris and Brussels, and a daily flight to London/Heathrow and Zurich. Later the Zurich flights were suspended due to low passenger numbers and were replaced by daily flights to London/Gatwick, while there was a slight reduction in the Paris and Brussels frequencies to enable two weekly flights from Athens to Manchester to operate. The weekend flights to Gatwick were transferred to Heathrow in 2005, although the mid-week flights were later suspended for most of the year, except for the busy Christmas and New Year period.

As a charter airline, Hellas Jet operated charter flights to/from Heraklion and Rhodes, to St. Petersburg, Moscow, Amsterdam, Düsseldorf, Paris etc.

One aircraft also flew from Dublin to holiday destinations in Spain on behalf of Trans Aer. Its fleet was available for both scheduled charters as well as ad-hoc charter flights.

Fleet
Hellas Jet commenced operations with a fleet of three Airbus A320-232 aircraft, registered SX-BVA, SX-BVB and SX-BVC, leased from CIT Aerospace. BVA was built in 1992, the other two were brand new. They had been acquired on three-year leases. Their initial configuration was for 148 passengers (16 business class and 132 economy class), all with leather seats.

When the company ceased scheduled services, the aircraft were re-configured in Malta to have a single class layout with 174 moquette-trimmed seats.

SX-BVB was destroyed by fire in Brussels in May 2006. The other two planes were returned to the lessor in June 2006 and subsequently, BVA went to Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium and BVC to Air Astana of Kazakhstan.

Then Hellas-Jet leased two other used A320s, this time with CFM engines. One came from LatCharter and the other from USA3000, and they retained their colour schemes with Hellas Jet titles. A further A320 was acquired from LatCharter, registered SX-BVD, with LatCharter colours but with Hellas Jet titles and the HellasJet logo on the engines.

In its final years, the Hellas Jet fleet consisted of the following aircraft (at 29 September 2009):

 * 2 × Airbus A320-212 reg. SX-BVK and SX-BVL, with CFM engines and full Hellas Jet livery. These aircraft were eventually repossessed and returned to the lessor in the United States after the airline defaulted on their payments.
 * 4 × Fokker 50 for a subsidiary company named Hellas Aviation, acquired to operate domestic flights to the Greek Islands, but this company never actually commenced commercial operations and the Fokkers were sold.

Accidents and incidents
On 5 May 2006, a Hellas Jet Airbus A320 was destroyed in a fire in the Sabena Technics hangar at Brussels Airport in Belgium. The plane was one of the three Airbus A320s destroyed, one belonging to Armavia, one to Armenian International Airways, and one Lockheed C-130 owned by the Belgian Air Component.

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Talk:Dobson Hall

This page was voted on for deletion at Votes for deletion/Dobson Hall. dbenbenn | talk 23:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How about the following disambiguation text?
Dobson Hall is the name shared by residence and academic buildings at several colleges and universities.

 * Home to the Division of Fine Arts at MidAmerica Nazarene University in Olathe, Kansas, USA.
 * A campus services building at Northeastern Oklahoma A&M College in Miami, Oklahoma, USA.
 * A residence at State University of New York at Brockport in Brockport, New York, USA.
 * A residence at Truman State University in Kirksville, Missouri, USA.
 * A residence at University of Wisconsin-Platteville in Platteville, Wisconsin, USA.

--TenOfAllTrades | Talk 21:33, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Done. dbenbenn | talk 23:18, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge

Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge is a 1991 platform game developed and published by Konami for the Game Boy. It is the second Castlevania title for the Game Boy and serves as a sequel to the previous title, Castlevania: The Adventure. Belmont's Revenge is included in color in the fourth volume of the Konami GB Collection compilations. Set fifteen years after the events of Castlevania: The Adventure, Dracula returns and kidnaps Christopher Belmont's son Soleil at his coming of age feast, and turns him into a demon. With Soleil's mystical powers, Dracula retakes human form and rebuilds his castle, forcing Christopher to confront Dracula once again to save his son and Transylvania.

Gameplay
Unlike the previous Game Boy title, sub-weapons in the form of holy water and axes (or the cross in the Japanese version) are available in the game. There are four initial levels, each taking place in a separate castle with a unique theme such as air, plant, earth, and crystal, and can be completed in any order, similar to Mega Man. There are large trap rooms in the levels. The game utilizes a password system.

Development
The North American version of the game changes one of the sub-weapons, replacing the cross with an axe. The cross had a long-range horizontal trajectory similar to the fireball whip, while the axe can go in an upward arc motion that can go through walls and barriers. The Konami GB Collection, released in Japan and Europe only, restores the original cross.

The packaging artwork for the North American and European versions was created by Tom Dubois, who designed the packaging for many other Konami titles outside Japan.

The game has seen a re-release for the Castlevania Anniversary Collection in 2019.

Reception
IGN thought the game made better use of the Game Boy's hardware than the first Castlevania handheld game, and applauded its inclusion of traditional Castlevania items, weapons, and having a cleaner graphical aesthetic. It was still hurt, however, by a lack of character speed and its short play time. GameSpy called it one of the best action games on the original Game Boy. Game Informer Tim Turi considers it the best Castlevania game on the original Game Boy; he cited the improved graphics and use of sub-weapons.

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