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Talk:Miami Beach, Florida

Name
It would appear that Miami Beach is on an island. But what is the name of the island?
 * The island's name is the same as the city - Miami Beach, just like Key West. -  Marc Averette 17:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Art Deco District?
What about the Art Deco District? There's nothing about it in this article yet...

 * Added Art Deco District section.
 * Added link to Art Deco Weekend article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor99 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Post Holocaust
The "Post Holocaust" section doesn't even mention the Holocaust. Either the section should tie Miami Beach to the Holocaust, or if the link is not firm enough then that section heading is inappropriate. (Sobesurfski 15:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

Picture
The picture that represents Miami Beach is not very good; it should be more like the one on Los Angeles. --MosheA 01:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
I added the NPOV-template because of many unsourced claims. Sentences like "During the winter season of January to March, celebrities, fashion models and wealthy Europeans make the city a second home, and rates at some of the best hotels can be astronomical." without any sources seem to be original research to me. Salaskan 09:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

History
Article needs more on the history of Miami Beach, with a history section. -- Infrogmation 20:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Images
Article had a huge pile of indiscriminate images in a gallery, the majority without even any description. I slashed it ruthlessly. If someone wishes to take time for a more careful and considered selection of photos, they are certainly welcome to. However recall that Wikipedia articles should not be galleries of large numbers of images. The gallery of additional images can easily be found on the Commons link, which is where most or all the images belong. -- Infrogmation 20:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done. Even though you took out one of mine, I don't mind. I was meaning to heavily prune it myself. It was one on my long list of WP things to do. -- Alexf (t/c) 21:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Can we please find some photos of some goodlooking Miami Beach women instead of those horrible pictures?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.185.60.226 (talk) 01:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Miami Beach: ISLAND
It is not a peninsula.....Haulover cut is artificial? So what? The fact is: today Miami Beach is an ISLAND......201.29.193.228 (talk) 05:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

 * We don't call the Delmarva Peninsula or the Peloponnese an island, either, even though the isthmuses connecting them to the mainland are cut by sea-level canals. --  Donald Albury  10:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

>>>>>Island: it is right: (article: Peloponnese): The Peloponnese covers an area of some 21,549 km² (8,320 square miles) ...technically it may be considered an island since the construction of the Corinth Canal in 1893 - like other peninsulas that have been separated from their mainland by man-made bodies of waters.

But is an island... 189.60.148.70 (talk) 01:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC) You can not enter in Miami Beach without a bridge. If this is not an island, what is this?

 * But the article on the Peloponnese starts off by saying, "The Peloponnese or Peloponesus is a large peninsula." I don't think that Miami Beach should be called an island in the lede, and I would note that the article has been around in WP for a few years without that. -- Donald Albury 13:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Wilton Manors considers itself an island, and all they have is a canal dug around it. They have signs that say "Island City"  -  Marc Averette (talk) 02:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

LGBT
The current content on the LGBT community in Miami beach is completly arbitrary and does nothing more thant to stigmatize and scare away LGBT tourists. This sort of writing has no place in Wiki. It must be re-written at once!!!! Miami beach, as demonstrated by the opening up of a new LGBT community center is a world class LGBT vacation destination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.219.97.226 (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Added NPOV tag; section is completely one-sided and the descriptions of the accusations against the city and the police are quite weaselly. I'm certain there is a way to describe the accusations of corruption/homophobia without pronouncing judgment on either the mayor or the police dept. --SchutteGod (talk) 17:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Facts are facts, 2009 events with the police department were nationally and internationally reported by major media outlets and discussed by many LGBT organizations. Hiding a fact about such a serious hazard for gay men in Miami Beach, just so the mayor and the city looks nice, is not in line with Wikipedia principals. This is not the city of Miami Beach website, where you can put promotional info. The section is balanced more now, but some previously added pro city statements still need to be cited. Also, this is about Miami Beach, not Miami-Dade, Miami, Florida, San Francisco etc. Do not cite organizations that are not in Miami Beach. Citing other Wiki pages as a source also is against the rules of Wikipedia. I removed the link about the gayest cities. Being the last on the list that doesn't even include NY is not a legitimate fact about Miami Beach, especially when the list is created by a paid staff of a magazine. It's someones opinion for pay and not a fact.67.168.74.199 (talk) 23:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: section on Jewish population
The name of one conservative synagogue has been added by name to a statement that there are many conservative synagogues in Miami Beach. I almost reverted that as promotionalism, but then I noticed there is just one liberal synagogue named. This can be approached in more than one way; name all of the synagogues (I think that might be excessive), name only those synagogues that have historical significance (citing reliable sources for that significance), or don't name any of them. -- Donald Albury 11:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Nonsense in Middle American history
I have removed the whole Middle American history section as none of it was sourced, most of it was pure fantasy, and most of it had nothing to do with Miami Beach. I have removed this nonsense before. I am quite confident that no one will be able to find a reliable source for the fantasy parts, and I will regard any attempt to restore any of the material that is not supported by reliable sources as being not constructive for Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury 11:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Concur. Also had comments on Coconut Grove and areas well outside MB. -- Alexf(talk) 11:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

pumps
14,000 gallons per minute is quoted widely. The four initials doing 4,000 per minute as written in the article, is that all four or each? 1,000 gallons per minute wouldn't be a lot. Not any more than a mobile pump could probably do. B137 (talk) 07:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

City's rank in Demographics section
The last paragraph in the Demographics section is a list of where the city ranks among US cities in the percentage of its residents who have come from various, primarily Latin American, countries. The rankings are based on a site that has not been updated since 2005. The site does not explicitly give the rankings, which apparently were found by counting the cities that appear above Miami Beach on the site's list for each country. I question the suitability of this site for this information. I also question the value of this information for inclusion in a Wikipedia article. Any thoughts? - Donald Albury 14:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You're correct, it has no value. It was from a non-RS and was just random trivia. Whoever did it, spammed the source all over Miami-Dade articles. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Problems in Miami Beach
Police chief says Miami partying “couldn’t go on any longer”

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Pointing to over 1,000 arrests in one of the nation’s top party spots, Miami Beach officials warned Sunday that the unruly spring break crowd gath...  Officers in bullet proof vests dispersed pepper spray balls Saturday night into a defiant, but mostly nonviolent crowd, refusing to submit to the curfew that had only been enacted four hours earlier.

“We couldn't go on any longer,” Clements said during Sunday's meeting, defending the city's curfew. “I think this was the right decision.” By Friday night, police said the partying was out of control. ... Miami Beach Mayor Dan Gelber said he has trouble sleeping at night, worried about the out-of-control parties. https://apnews.com/article/covid-19-pandemic-miami-us-news-coronavirus-pandemic-4c4ac71405e13f063e38dde30ef260d3#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%20couldn't%20go%20on,partying%20was%20out%20of%20control.&text=Miami%20Beach%20Mayor%20Dan%20Gelber,out%2Dof%2Dcontrol%20parties. Peter K Burian (talk) 12:40, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hardly of encyclopedic importance. Notice that the decades-long history of spring breaks in Ft. Lauderdale is summed up in four sentences. I do not see this incident being worth more than one sentence in this article, and we should wait until it is over to decide if it deserves even that. - Donald Albury 19:23, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

SPORT
Add sports teams that represent the city of Miami Beach Miamibeachlover (talk) 02:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you know of any? The major league teams in the area have Miami or Florida in their names. - Donald Albury 13:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Racism and anti-Semitism
I just reverted a bunch of mostly unsourced comments alleging racism and anti-Semitism in the city's history. While there are valid points raised, the language was not NPOV. These topics need to be treated in an NPOV manner, and with citations to reliable sources that support any added content. The essay at Tendentious editing is pertinant. - Donald Albury 14:09, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Spring break incidents and crackdown
We should probably work spring break incidents and this year's crackdown in somewhere, either in Miami Beach, Florida or South Beach. NBC news article. Seems WP:DUE. Should be plenty of other sources if needed. – Novem Linguae (talk) 07:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Atemajac de Brizuela

Atemajac de Brizuela is a municipality and small town in the southeast sierra of Jalisco, Mexico, 64 km southwest of Guadalajara, between Highways 80 and 401. The municipality had a population of 6,367 in 2014.

The town received some notice in July 2008 in the nationally syndicated American comic strip Gil Thorp as the place to which Milford High baseball player—an undocumented immigrant—Elmer Vargas is deported.

History
The region was inhabited by Otomi, head Indians. The spiritual conquest was mainly carried out by the Franciscan Juna de Padilla. The town was first in the place called Jaconoxtle and in the first half of the eighteenth century settled on the current site. With the conquest, Atemajac was nestled among the towns of the so-called Province of Ávalos and subsequently the provinces attached to Nueva Galicia were left.

On November 22, 1824, by Art. 9 (which adds the articles of the State Provisional Division Plan) it was decreed: The towns of Atemajac and Juanacatlán will be added to the department of Zacoalco. It belonged to the fourth canton of Sayula and third department of Zacoalco.

On April 25, 1903, by decree 997, the State Congress issued a decree that says: The population of Atemajac de las Tablas, from the 4th Canton of the state, will be referred to as Atemajac de Brizuela. Such designation was in honor of Colonel Miguel Brizuela. Atemajac de Brizuela exists as a municipality since 1884, by decree of April 4 called before Atemajac de las Tablas.

Location
Atemajac de Brizuela is located south of the state at coordinates 20º05'00 "at 20º16'30" north latitude, and 103º35'00 "at 103º57'20" west longitude, at a height of 2,250 meters above the level from sea.

The municipality of Atemajac de Brizuela borders to the north with the municipalities of Cocula, Villa Corona, Zacoalco de Torres; to the east with the municipalities of Zacoalco de Torres, Techaluta de Montenegro; to the south with the municipalities of Techaluta de Montenegro, Tapalpa and Chiquilistlán; to the west with the municipalities of Chiquilistlán, Tecolotlán and Cocula.

Topography
The rugged areas (53%) predominate with heights ranging from 2,250 to 2,600 meters above sea level in some of the foothills of the Sierra de Tapalpa. There are also flat areas (30%) with heights of 2,200 to 2,250 meters above sea level and semi-flat areas (17%).

Terrain
The territory is made up of land belonging to the tertiary period. The composition of the soils is of predominant types Feozem Háplico, Cambisol Chromic and Andosol Mólica. The municipality has a territorial area of 19,157 ha, of which 5,229 are used for agricultural purposes, 3,394 in livestock, 10,361 are for forest use and 173 hectares are urban land. As far as the property is concerned, an extension of 10,604 hectares is private and another of 8,553 hectares is ejidal; There is no communal property.

Hydrography
The hydrological resources available to the municipality are: the Carrizal River; the streams: Agua Prieta, San Juan and El Salto; there are also several springs.

Climate
The climate is semi-dry, with dry winter, and mild, with mild winter. The average annual temperature is 19 °C, with a maximum of 26 °C and a minimum of 0 °C. The rainfall regime is recorded in the months of June and July, with an average rainfall of 814.5 millimeters. The annual average of days with frosts is 39. The prevailing winds are in the northwest direction.

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Lateral ventricles

The lateral ventricles are the two largest ventricles of the brain and contain cerebrospinal fluid. Each cerebral hemisphere contains a lateral ventricle, known as the left or right lateral ventricle, respectively.

Each lateral ventricle resembles a C-shaped cavity that begins at an inferior horn in the temporal lobe, travels through a body in the parietal lobe and frontal lobe, and ultimately terminates at the interventricular foramina where each lateral ventricle connects to the single, central third ventricle. Along the path, a posterior horn extends backward into the occipital lobe, and an anterior horn extends farther into the frontal lobe.

Structure
Each lateral ventricle takes the form of an elongated curve, with an additional anterior-facing continuation emerging inferiorly from a point near the posterior end of the curve; the junction is known as the trigone of the lateral ventricle. The centre of the superior curve is referred to as the body, while the three remaining portions are known as horns (cornua in Latin); they are usually referred to by their position relative to the body (anterior, posterior, or inferior), or sometimes by the lobe of the cerebral cortex into which they extend. Though somewhat flat, the lateral ventricles have a vaguely triangular cross-section. Ependyma, which are neuroepithelial cells, line the ventricular system including the lateral ventricles.

Between the inferior horn and the main body of the ventricle is the putamen, which emerges from the head of the caudate nucleus, and sits above the tapetum; a small number of further connections passing through the occipital tapetum to join the putamen to portions of the caudate nucleus tail adjoining the anterior horn. Below the putamen sits the globus pallidus, with which it connects. These structures bounding the lateral ventricles form a frame curving around the thalamus, which itself constitutes the main structure bounding the third ventricle. Were it not for the choroid plexus, a cleft-like opening would be all that lay between the lateral ventricle and the thalamus; this cleft constitutes the lower part of the choroid fissure. The thalamus primarily communicates with the structures bounding the lateral ventricles via the globus pallidus, and the anterior extremities of the fornix (the mamillary bodies).

Anterior horns of the lateral ventricle
The anterior horn of the lateral ventricle is also known as the frontal horn as it extends into the frontal lobe. The anterior horn connects to the third ventricle, via the interventricular foramen. This portion of the lateral ventricle impinges on the frontal lobe, passing anteriorly and laterally, with slight inclination inferiorly. It is separated from the anterior horn of the other lateral ventricle by a thin neural sheet - septum pellucidum, which thus forms its medial boundary. The boundary facing exterior to the ventricle curvature is formed by the corpus callosum - the floor at the limit of the ventricle is the upper surface of the rostrum (the reflected portion of the corpus callosum), while nearer the body of the ventricle, the roof consists of the posterior surface of the genu. The remaining boundary - that facing interior to the ventricle curvature - comprises the posterior edge of the caudate nucleus. Frontal horn cysts are sometimes found on the frontal horn as a normal variant.

Body of the lateral ventricle
The body of the lateral ventricle, or central part is the part of the ventricle between the anterior horn and the trigone. Its roof is bound by the tapetum of the corpus callosum - and is separated medially from the other lateral ventricle by the septum pellucidum. The tail of the caudate nucleus forms the upper portion of the lateral edge, but it is not large enough to cover the whole boundary. Immediately below the tail of the caudate nucleus, the next portion of the lateral edge is formed by the comparatively narrow stria terminalis, which sits upon the superior thalamostriate vein. The main part of the fornix of the brain forms the next narrow portion of the lateral boundary, which is completed medially by a choroid plexus, which serves both ventricles.

Trigone of the lateral ventricle
The trigone of the lateral ventricle is the area where the part of the body forms a junction with the inferior horn and the posterior horn. This area is referred to as the atrium of the lateral ventricle, and is where the choroid plexus is enlarged as the choroid glomus. As a triangular surface feature of the floor of this part of the lateral ventricle it is known as the collateral trigone.

Posterior horn of the lateral ventricle
The posterior horn of lateral ventricle, or occipital horn, impinges into the occipital lobe in a posterior direction, initially laterally but subsequently curving medially and lilting inferiorly on the lateral side. The tapetum of the corpus callosum continues to form the roof, which due to the lilt is also the lateral edge. However, the posterior and anterior ends of the corpus callosum are characterized by tighter bundling, known as forceps (due to the resulting shape), to curve around the central sulci; the edge of these forceps form the upper part of the medial side of the posterior horn. The remainder of the medial edge of the ventricle is directly in contact with white matter of the cortex of the occipital lobe.

Inferior horn of the lateral ventricle

The inferior horn of the lateral ventricle, or temporal horn, is the largest of the horns. It extends anteriorly from the atrium beneath the thalamus and terminates at the amygdala. The collateral eminence and hippocampus form the floor, which is separated from the hippocampus by a white matter layer called the alveus, whereas the roof is formed by the thalamus, the caudate nucleus, and tapetum. The stria terminalis forms the remainder of the roof, which is narrower than at the body, and the choroid plexus occupies the medial wall.

The tapetum for the temporal lobe comprises the lateral boundary of the inferior horn, on its way to join the main tapetum above the body of the ventricle (passing over the caudate nucleus as it does so). The majority of the inferior horn's floor is formed by the fimbria hippocampi (from which the fornix emerges), and then, more anteriorly, by the hippocampus itself. As with the posterior horn, the remainder of the boundary (in this case, the lateral side of the floor) is directly in contact with the white matter of the surrounding lobe.

Development
The lateral ventricles, similarly to other parts of the ventricular system of the brain, develop from the central canal of the neural tube. Specifically, the lateral ventricles originate from the portion of the tube that is present in the developing prosencephalon, and subsequently in the developing telencephalon.

During the first three months of prenatal development, the central canal expands into lateral, third, and fourth ventricles, connected by thinner channels. In the lateral ventricles, specialized areas – choroid plexuses – appear, which produce cerebrospinal fluid. The neural canal that does not expand and remains the same at the level of the midbrain superior to the fourth ventricle forms the cerebral aqueduct. The fourth ventricle narrows at the obex (in the caudal medulla), to become the central canal of the spinal cord.

During development, pressure from exterior structures causes a number of concave bulges to form within the lateral ventricles, which can be extremely variable in their degree of development; in some individuals they are ill-defined, while in others they can be prominent:
 * from the forceps against the posterior horn - creating the bulb of the posterior cornu on the upper medial side of the horn
 * from the calcarine sulcus against the posterior horn - creating the calcar avis (historically called the hippocampus minor, for visual reasons) on the lower medial side of the horn
 * from the hippocampus against the inferior horn (on the medial floor of the horn)
 * from the collateral sulcus against the inferior horn - creating the collateral eminence on the lateral floor of the horn.

Fetal lateral ventricles may be diagnosed using linear or planar measurements.

Clinical significance
The volume of the lateral ventricles is enlarged in some neurological diseases, such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder, and Alzheimer's disease.

Asymmetry as an anatomical variation, in the size of the lateral ventricles is found in about 5–12% of the population. This has been associated with handedness, where right-handed people have been found to have a larger right lateral ventricle and a longer left posterior horn, whereas left-handed people have been found to have longer right posterior horns. A severe asymmetry, or an asymmetry with midline shift or diffuse enlargement, may indicate brain injury early in life, particularly in cases of a longer right posterior horn.

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Talk:Vrbas Banovina

Population Data
Could person that added the population data also provide the source. It seems unusual that the population number of the region in 1931 remained nearly the same until 1991. (the region numbered little over 1 million in 1991). Also clarify if the census of 1931 (if that is where the data came from) counted religious groups only. --Dado 04:09, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

For Dado: How you know that ethnic composition was different then religious one? Do you have more information about this? User:PANONIAN

If population data noted in this article is taken from census (most are), census makes a differentiation between ethnic groups and religius groups. Enclosed data is apparently only covering religious groups. However, I would still like to know the source of this data as total population number doesn't seem to make sense compared to census data from 1991.--Dado 01:49, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I am not aware of the banovinas still existing in 1991 so I can not say what the banovina's population was in 1991 but the 1931 figures are probably from the census which recorded the population's religion and mother tongue.

change of banovina's borders in first Yugoslavia, --Čeha (razgovor) 10:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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Eugenio Garza Lagüera

Eugenio Garza Lagüera (18 December 1923 – 24 May 2008) was a Mexican businessman and philanthropist who served as chairman of the board of the Monterrey Institute of Technology (ITESM) and Femsa, Latin America's largest beverage corporation. In February 2008 he was laureated with the Business Social Responsibility Award from the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, a nonpartisan institution created by the U.S. Congress within the Smithsonian Institution.

Biography
Garza Lagüera was born in Monterrey as the first son of industrialist Eugenio Garza Sada and Consuelo Lagüera Zambrano. After finishing high school at Chaminade College Preparatory School in St. Louis, Missouri, he received a bachelor's degree in chemical engineering from the University of Texas and an MBA from the Monterrey Institute of Technology, a private university founded and sponsored by his father.

He began his professional life at a laboratory of Técnica Industrial in 1947. In 1969 he was appointed to the Grupo Visa's board of directors, which he chaired starting in 1981. He also presided over the Serfín Bank during the peso devaluation of 1982 and the subsequent nationalization of all private banks. Grupo Serfín lost half its size at that time and had to be reorganized accordingly. In 1991 when the government decided to re-privatize the banking system, Eugenio Garza Lagüera bought the Bancomer Banking Group.

Garza Lagüera died on 24 May 2008 in Monterrey, Nuevo León, at the age of 84.

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Hazer Tarkhan

Hazer Tarkhan was a general (tarkhan is both a military rank and, in some cases, a personal name) who led a Khazar army of 40,000 men in the failed defense of Atil in 737 CE. He was ambushed and killed by Kawthar, the lieutenant of Marwan ibn Muhammad (later Caliph Marwan II). Following his death the Khazars sued for peace.

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No-communication theorem

In physics, the no-communication theorem or no-signaling principle is a no-go theorem from quantum information theory which states that, during measurement of an entangled quantum state, it is not possible for one observer, by making a measurement of a subsystem of the total state, to communicate information to another observer. The theorem is important because, in quantum mechanics, quantum entanglement is an effect by which certain widely separated events can be correlated in ways that, at first glance, suggest the possibility of communication faster-than-light. The no-communication theorem gives conditions under which such transfer of information between two observers is impossible. These results can be applied to understand the so-called paradoxes in quantum mechanics, such as the EPR paradox, or violations of local realism obtained in tests of Bell's theorem. In these experiments, the no-communication theorem shows that failure of local realism does not lead to what could be referred to as "spooky communication at a distance" (in analogy with Einstein's labeling of quantum entanglement as requiring "spooky action at a distance" on the assumption of QM's completeness).

Informal overview
The no-communication theorem states that, within the context of quantum mechanics, it is not possible to transmit classical bits of information by means of carefully prepared mixed or pure states, whether entangled or not. The theorem is only a sufficient condition that states that if the Kraus matrices commute then there can be no communication through the quantum entangled states and this is applicable to all communication. From a relativity and quantum field perspective also faster than light or "instantaneous" communication is disallowed. Being only a sufficient condition there can be extra cases where communication is not allowed and there can be also cases where is still possible to communicate through the quantum channel encoding more than the classical information.

In regards to communication, a quantum channel can always be used to transfer classical information by means of shared quantum states. In 2008 Matthew Hastings proved a counterexample where the minimum output entropy is not additive for all quantum channels. Therefore, by an equivalence result due to Peter Shor, the Holevo capacity is not just additive, but super-additive like the entropy, and by consequence there may be some quantum channels where you can transfer more than the classical capacity. Typically overall communication happens at the same time via quantum and non quantum channels, and in general time ordering and causality cannot be violated.

The basic assumption entering into the theorem is that a quantum-mechanical system is prepared in an initial state with some entangled states, and that this initial state is describable as a mixed or pure state in a Hilbert space H. After a certain amount of time the system is divided in two parts each of which contains some non entangled states and half of quantum entangled states and the two parts becomes spatially distinct, A and B, sent to two distinct observers, Alice and Bob, who are free to perform quantum mechanical measurements on their portion of the total system (viz, A and B). The question is: is there any action that Alice can perform on A that would be detectable by Bob making an observation of B? The theorem replies 'no'.

An important assumption going into the theorem is that neither Alice nor Bob is allowed, in any way, to affect the preparation of the initial state. If Alice were allowed to take part in the preparation of the initial state, it would be trivially easy for her to encode a message into it; thus neither Alice nor Bob participates in the preparation of the initial state. The theorem does not require that the initial state be somehow 'random' or 'balanced' or 'uniform': indeed, a third party preparing the initial state could easily encode messages in it, received by Alice and Bob. Simply, the theorem states that, given some initial state, prepared in some way, there is no action that Alice can take that would be detectable by Bob.

The proof proceeds by defining how the total Hilbert space H can be split into two parts, HA and HB, describing the subspaces accessible to Alice and Bob. The total state of the system is assumed to be described by a density matrix σ. This appears to be a reasonable assumption, as a density matrix is sufficient to describe both pure and mixed states in quantum mechanics. Another important part of the theorem is that measurement is performed by applying a generalized projection operator P to the state σ. This again is reasonable, as projection operators give the appropriate mathematical description of quantum measurements. After a measurement by Alice, the state of the total system is said to have collapsed to a state P(σ).

The goal of the theorem is to prove that Bob cannot in any way distinguish the pre-measurement state σ from the post-measurement state P(σ). This is accomplished mathematically by comparing the trace of σ and the trace of P(σ), with the trace being taken over the subspace HA. Since the trace is only over a subspace, it is technically called a partial trace. Key to this step is the assumption that the (partial) trace adequately summarizes the system from Bob's point of view. That is, everything that Bob has access to, or could ever have access to, measure, or detect, is completely described by a partial trace over HA of the system σ. Again, this is a reasonable assumption, as it is a part of standard quantum mechanics. The fact that this trace never changes as Alice performs her measurements is the conclusion of the proof of the no-communication theorem.

Formulation
The proof of the theorem is commonly illustrated for the setup of Bell tests in which two observers Alice and Bob perform local observations on a common bipartite system, and uses the statistical machinery of quantum mechanics, namely density states and quantum operations.

Alice and Bob perform measurements on system S whose underlying Hilbert space is $$ H = H_A \otimes H_B. $$

It is also assumed that everything is finite-dimensional to avoid convergence issues. The state of the composite system is given by a density operator on H. Any density operator σ on H is a sum of the form: $$ \sigma = \sum_i T_i \otimes S_i $$ where Ti and Si are operators on HA and HB respectively. For the following, it is not required to assume that Ti and Si  are state projection operators: i.e. they need not necessarily be non-negative, nor have a trace of one. That is, σ can have a definition somewhat broader than that of a density matrix; the theorem still holds. Note that the theorem holds trivially for separable states. If the shared state σ is separable, it is clear that any local operation by Alice will leave Bob's system intact. Thus the point of the theorem is no communication can be achieved via a shared entangled state.

Alice performs a local measurement on her subsystem. In general, this is described by a quantum operation, on the system state, of the following kind $$ P(\sigma) = \sum_k (V_k \otimes I_{H_B})^* \ \sigma \ (V_k \otimes I_{H_B}), $$ where Vk are called Kraus matrices which satisfy $$ \sum_k V_k V_k^* = I_{H_A}.$$

The term $$I_{H_B}$$ from the expression $$(V_k \otimes I_{H_B})$$ means that Alice's measurement apparatus does not interact with Bob's subsystem.

Supposing the combined system is prepared in state σ and assuming, for purposes of argument, a non-relativistic situation, immediately (with no time delay) after Alice performs her measurement, the relative state of Bob's system is given by the partial trace of the overall state with respect to Alice's system. In symbols, the relative state of Bob's system after Alice's operation is $$ \operatorname{tr}_{H_A}(P(\sigma))$$ where $$\operatorname{tr}_{H_A}$$ is the partial trace mapping with respect to Alice's system.

One can directly calculate this state: $$ \begin{align} \operatorname{tr}_{H_A}(P(\sigma)) & = \operatorname{tr}_{H_A} \left(\sum_k (V_k \otimes I_{H_B})^* \sigma (V_k \otimes I_{H_B} )\right) \\ & = \operatorname{tr}_{H_A} \left(\sum_k \sum_i V_k^* T_i V_k \otimes S_i \right)\\ & = \sum_i \sum_k \operatorname{tr}(V_k^* T_i V_k) S_i \\ & = \sum_i \sum_k \operatorname{tr}(T_i V_k V_k^*) S_i \\ & = \sum_i \operatorname{tr}\left(T_i \sum_k V_k V_k^*\right) S_i \\ & = \sum_i \operatorname{tr}(T_i) S_i \\ & = \operatorname{tr}_{H_A}(\sigma). \end{align}$$

From this it is argued that, statistically, Bob cannot tell the difference between what Alice did and a random measurement (or whether she did anything at all).

Some comments

 * If the density operator $$P(\sigma)$$ is allowed to evolve under the influence of non-local interactions between A and B, then in general the calculation in the proof no longer holds, unless suitable commutation relations are assumed.
 * The no-communication theorem thus says shared entanglement alone cannot be used to transmit any information. Compare this with the no-teleportation theorem, which states a classical information channel cannot transmit quantum information. (By transmit, we mean transmission with full fidelity.) However, quantum teleportation schemes utilize both resources to achieve what is impossible for either alone.
 * The no-communication theorem implies the no-cloning theorem, which states that quantum states cannot be (perfectly) copied. That is, cloning is a sufficient condition for the communication of classical information to occur.   To see this, suppose that quantum states could be cloned. Assume parts of a maximally entangled Bell state are distributed to Alice and Bob. Alice could send bits to Bob in the following way: If Alice wishes to transmit a "0", she measures the spin of her electron in the z direction, collapsing Bob's state to either $$|z+\rangle_B$$ or $$|z-\rangle_B$$.  To transmit "1", Alice does nothing to her qubit. Bob creates many copies of his electron's state, and measures the spin of each copy in the z direction. Bob will know that Alice has transmitted a "0" if all his measurements will produce the same result; otherwise, his measurements will have outcomes $$|z+\rangle_B$$ or $$|z-\rangle_B$$ with equal probability. This would allow Alice and Bob to communicate classical bits between each other (possibly across space-like separations, violating causality).
 * The version of the no-communication theorem discussed in this article assumes that the quantum system shared by Alice and Bob is a composite system, i.e. that its underlying Hilbert space is a tensor product whose first factor describes the part of the system that Alice can interact with and whose second factor describes the part of the system that Bob can interact with. In quantum field theory, this assumption can be replaced by the assumption that Alice and Bob are spacelike separated. This alternate version of the no-communication theorem shows that faster-than-light communication cannot be achieved using processes which obey the rules of quantum field theory.
 * The proof of the no-communication theorem assumes that all measurable properties of Bob's system can be calculated from its reduced density matrix, which is true given the Born rule for calculating the probability of making various measurements. But this equivalence with the Born rule can also essentially be derived in the opposite direction, in that it's possible to show that the Born rule follows from the assumption that space-like separated events cannot violate causality by affecting each other.

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Jerónimo Arango

Jerónimo Julio Arango Arias (1927 — 4 April 2020) was a Mexican billionaire businessman, co-founder of the Aurrerá supermarket chain, with his younger brothers, Manuel and Plácido, known for a long time as three of Mexico's wealthiest men. His net worth was estimated at US$4.6 billion in 2006 by Forbes.

Career
Arango founded his Aurrerá discount stores in 1958 after a trip to New York where he witnessed people standing in long lines to obtain discounts; he decided to open one that sold at discount, emphasizing cost over other niceties. The stores flourished and eventually, his family's company, Grupo CIFRA, was the largest supermarket chain in Mexico (including Aurrerá and Superama stores) as well as restaurants (VIPs and El Portón) and fashion stores (Suburbia).

By 1991, Arango partnered with Wal-Mart, a move that eventually brought the Wal-Mart retail stores to Mexico. The Mexican chain was later renamed Walmex and became the starting point for Wal-Mart's expansion in Mexico. By 1997 the Arango family decided to sell majority shareholding of CIFRA to Wal-Mart in a transaction worth over $2 billion.

Manuel, Jerónimo's brother is the president of the Mexican Center for Philanthropy as well for more than ten different non-profit organizations. He won two Academy Awards in the 1970s for the production of a well-known documentary about pre-Hispanic life. Manuel's wife, Marie-Therese Arango, is the president of the Mexican Folk Art Museum.

Personal life
Prior to his death, his residence was in Los Angeles, California. He had a vacation home in Acapulco which was designed by John Lautner. This house known as the Marbrisa House, is considered an icon in space age/googie design. Arango died on 4 April 2020 due to natural causes.

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Talk:EasyOffice Freeware

The reformatting was good, I made a bit of a hash of it myself. Is there a policy against including reviews in external links? If there is, I'll leave the review links here: About.com review: http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/software/gr/easyofficefree.htm, PC Magazine review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1699381,00.asp - if anybody wants to write a bit more, the reviews are quite a good place to look beyond the marketing "puff". --VivaEmilyDavies 15:23, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This page was occupied by a self-promotion, which was then deleted. However, the software to which this page refers is genuine and indeed popular. The page itself is linked from word processor. For now I have just put in a stub, but hopefully this can be expanded soon. There is no need to delete this stub just yet! The self-promotion has gone!--VivaEmilyDavies 04:17, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"more fetures than microsoft office" this seems unlikely 68.148.105.60

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User talk:Ereinion~enwiki

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Re:Master Sword
Ereinion, what exactly do you find objectionable about Master Sword? You still haven't put any complaints on its Talk Page. If you list your disputes, I will attempt to deal with them. --Carl 07:18, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm still confused. There is no debate that I can see on the Master Sword talk page. The closest to a debate that I can see is:
 * "If someone would state where it's said that the Master Sword is also called the "Sword of Evil's Bane" it would be more authoritative. Cúchulainn 00:08, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * "Erm, it's called SoEB up, down and across Ocarina of Time. Sheik, Rauru, the manual, and the player's guide all refer to it as such. There are a couple in-game references in other games too. Adam Marx Squared 00:25, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)"

But that's not really a debate. Cúchulainn just wondered when the term "Sword of Evil's Bane" was used, and Adam Marx answered, in Ocarina of Time. Which is true. Google for "Sword of Evil's Bane" and it's basically only ever used about Zelda. So there's no dispute. Right? Other than that, Adam wanted the Smash Brothers stuff differentiated from the Soul Calibur stuff (which I did) since Soul Calibur may or may not be cannon. Anyhow, there's no controversy that I'm aware of about Master Sword. --Carl 12:32, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ah. However, Telperion made that comment in September, and since then, the page has changed a lot. I assume that if (s)he still had a problem, he would have voiced his concern by now. (In fact, Telperion hasn't even made any changes to Wikipedia at all since September.) I think that we can remove the controversial disclaimer for now, unless someone has a specific problem with the page. If tempers start to flare later, we can put up a warning, but at this point, I don't think anyone has a serious problem with the page. --Carl 02:16, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I understand your concern but feel that for now it's better to wait for an edit war to start and then put up a disclaimer than to scare people away from making contributions. If the article was already relatively complete or already had a brewing edit war, I would endorse the disclaimer, but I still think it's a bit early to say that Master Sword is the new George W. Bush. ;p --Carl 02:49, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Zelda Images
The zelda image that you recently uploaded are tagged as "copyright free use". That seems surprising to me, can you give some evidence that Nintendo have released copyright on their characters in this way. Thanks   — Zeimusu | Talk 06:38, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The images themseles are copyrighted to Nintendo, however they are avaible for third-party use and distibution, which is how I obtained them. I hope this answers your question. Ereinion 00:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok thanks. That's great. What we should do in this case (where there is a general permisson) is to create a new template at Template:Zelda Image. That template should link to the source and to Nintendo's release statement. Also a category tag. There was (and is) a big argument over the pokemon images, and I want to avoid the same over Zelda. If you want me to do the hard work just let me know the source and where I can see the details of the copyright. Thanks again for uploading these free use images    — Zeimusu | Talk 01:12, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not entirely sure I know what you mean... Nintendo has their policy http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#copyrights] regarding copyrights, trademarks, and intellectual properties published on their company's home page. I could create such a template that you were suggesting if indeed the current templates Wikipedia has are in some way unsuitable. Ereinion

 * Well I looked at that page, and I saw that Nintendo does claim copyright over Game charaters, what I didn't see is any statement from them that they allow free use of images of their characters, which is the issue. Where does Nintendo say that the images are "avaible for third-party use and distibution". Now fair use would probably apply to these images so I'm not thinking of deleting them, just putting them in the correct category.

 * Also I want to know the source. Are these taken from a web-site? Where? As for a new tag, the advice (somewhere in the backwoods of the wiki) is when uploading a number of images from a single source, create a new tag to sub-categorize. (By the way, I think the new Zelda game looks awesome)    — Zeimusu | Talk 04:32, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Under U.S. copyright law, partial works are allowed to be used for commentary or teaching. In the case of Nintendo, it wouldn't be practical to give a statement stating that their copyrights are given free license because they still use the intellectual rights, however distribution is still permitted with the acknowledgement that Nintendo owns all rights to its respective works and properties. This is my understanding. You can research this more indepth if you like at the Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ21.pdf] section. Ereinion 00:26, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, partial works are allowed to be used for commentary or teaching, or more generally for the benefit of the arts and sciences. This is what Fair use is, and that's fine, but that is not what "CopyrightFreeUse" is for, that is for images that the creator has explicitly released under a licence similar to the GFDL, allowing "Free" distribution, use and modification (including commercial use).

 * If there has not been any such explicit release of these images under such a licence then they are not free images. They are (I think) fair use images, though I know there are some in the poke image dispute who disagree.

 * (There is also an exemption for archival by libraries, but that doesn't apply to us, and wikipedia isn't a classroom, and the editors aren't teachers, so those exemptions also don't apply).

 * So what I propose is to re-tag as "fair use" as I believe that is the correct statement of copyright for these images.

 * Finally the source. Is it ?   — Zeimusu | Talk 05:34, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Zeno image
Thank you for uploading Image:Zeno.jpg. You have marked it as public domain. What was the source of the photograph? Although the sculpture itself is in public domain because of its age, any photograph of it is a new work and has its own copyright. So unless the photograph is old enough to be have its copyright lapse, or the creator has released it, it is not in the public domain. Dsmdgold 03:07, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

Kaepora Gaebora
To answer the question in your edit comment, although I did not add the portion of text you deleted, it seems to be based on a popular fan theory that the Wind Fish is in fact a later incarnation of the Hero of Time. I forget the logic behind it, but I wouldn't give it much credence. Deco 09:23, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright
I am trying to clear our the non-sourced images category. If you notice the fairuse tag, it says that the uploader and those who add it claim fairuse. Therefor, I never presume to make that judgement if I have not uploaded it or added it. I am also adding several dozen images at a time, and the tag catches the eye, and makes my job far far easier.

I apologize if you were offended, I am merely attempting to do some janitorial work. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 23:01, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Master Sword - Hero of Time
What exactly is your reasoning for reverting my changes? Because I see none. The Hero of Time appeared in two games, Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, and he only wielded the Master Sword in OoT. The Master Sword is also wielded by the Links in A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, the two Oracle games and The Wind Waker. That comes to the Hero of Time wielding the Master Sword once out of its six appearances. Even if you discount the appearances in the Game Boy games as bonuses, the HoT still only uses it for a third of the appearances. Having "Hero of Time" in that paragraph gives the impression that all Links, or at least all who wield the Master Sword, are the Hero of Time, which they are not. Unless you can think of an extraordinarily good reason, don't revert it again. Ian Moody 12:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Your Gripe
I'd appreciate it if you didn't tell others not to do a thing in the exact same fashion in which it was done. And, in the future, stay out of things that don't concern or involve you until they can be resolved by the participating parties. Thank you. Ereinion 19:50, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

 * In retrospect (what a wonderful thing that is!) it was indeed foolish for me to do such a hyppocritical action. I was indisposed at the time so used the edit summary to "nip it in the bud" so it could be sorted out later; had I had the time, I would have personally contacted both parties with more eloquently-worded advice before starting a new talk section detailing both sides of the issue so other editors could also comment.
 * On to the second point, it does not matter that I was not involved, indeed it was much better that I was not; I was a neutral party trying to prevent a nasty edit war from potentially occurring; had I been an involved party, any possible resolution methods would appear to be biased towards at least one of my points on the given matter. But I thank you for your valid concerns, and I will certainly bear that in mind for future dispute resolutions. Thank you for your time. Master Thief GarrettTalk 03:32, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RE: My Reasons
Okay, I'll do my best in showing the relation of characters to the story and FFVII as a cultural icon.

Big Bro - The man that Cloud and Aeris have to see in order to get the Wig Key Item. This is part of the Wall Market arc. Big Bro is also a cross dresser which reflects a unique portion of the population and sets FFVII closer to our world rather than a fantasy one.

Choco Bill - owner of the Chocobo Farm who informs the party that they're better off catching a chocobo to cross the marsh. Later, he sells chocobo stables to the player, without these, racing and breeding chocobos is impossible.

Choco Billy - A key figure in selling the character greens (used to catch chocobos and then increase their stats once in the stable). He is also in charge of mating chocobos as well as selling nuts, integral parts of breeding chocobos, without him, acquiring different color chocobos is impossible.

Chocobo Sage - the mysterious guy who tells Cloud how to get chocobos to breed in different colors. He is also the only person selling the highest quality greens and nuts. There's a section devoted to him in the PC version player's guide.

Chole - she gives statistics on your Chocobos

Elder Bugah - many people overlook this character, but he is instrumental in putting a working timeline on the FFVII story and also gives information that it was Professor Gast who discovered and mistakenly labeled Jenova as an Ancient.

Elder Hargo - an elder in Cosmo Canyon who sheds light on what the Lifesteram is, important if the player wants to grasp the larget picture of the story

Ester - another story-important character who is comparable to Mayor Domino, but the player must see her every time that he or she wishes to race chobos. She also instructs cloud on how to race chocobos.

Hart - offers to sell the player clues to the Mayor's puzzle

Holzoff - the man living at the base of Gaea's Cliffs rescues the party whenever they collapse from wandering around the Great Glacier for too long. He also tells the party how to avoid freezing to death while on Gaea's Cliffs. It's his map that the characters take from Icicle Inn.

Joe - The chocobo jockey reappears several time in races on his black chocobo (the only one save for the player's) to make the races difficult. His chocobo always has better stats than whatever the player is using. He is introduced to the player by Ester.

Johnny - This character bears some resemblance to Johnny from Chrono Trigger. He appears in several areas in the game and usually has something to comment on the situation or the state of the party.

Kalm Traveller - two sidequests revolve around this guy: defeating Emerald and defeating Ruby as well as getting a guidebook. He is the only person in the world to offer mastered materia or a gold chocobo or underwater materia.

Kotch - simply one of Don Corneo's lackeys and part of the Wall Market arc. What sets him apart from other NPCs is that he has a name and actually interacts with the player.

Mukki - the guy who slaps Cloud awake in the Honeybee Inn, his apparent homosexuality helps connect the FFVII world to our contemporary one

Priscilla - Cloud saves her from Bottomswell, without her, the party wouldn't have been able to go up to the Upper Junon area, she gives the party the Shiva materia as thanks.

Skotch - same as kotch

Snow - A sidequest NPC/enemy not found by every FFVII player, there's actually a small sidequest just to get her to fight you, and fighting her is the only way to acquire the Alexander materia, ultimately necessary in order to meld mastered summon materia into a master summon materia

Zangan - a character that the player meets in the Flashback, Tifa's martial arts instructor and mentor. There's a letter to Tifa, in her piano, from him explaining Shin-Ra's coverup of the events in Nibelheim.

I'm pretty sure that's everybody I added.

Your icon
If I understand correctly, you claim copyright over Image:RAHSymbol.JPG. This is incompatible with the standards of Wikipedia. I would suggest you tag it with a GFDL, public domain or other free license. If not, it will need to be deleted. Dragons flight 07:13, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Could you please respond to this? Dragons flight 14:27, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Since you haven't removed the copyright tag on the icon, I have marked it with copyrighted which will encourage others to delete it in the future. You can of course replace the tag with an appropriate free liscence. See: Image copyright tags. Dragons flight 03:17, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
Uh... Why did you post a welcome on my discussion page? I've been here for several months now, long enough to already have received a welcome AND delete it from my page because it's been there so long.. Staxringold 01:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your welcome. i hope you have good time here too ;). Best regards. Petrusbarbygere 02:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: My SM code system
You are correct in your assumption of my gender. Due to my age, it embarrasses me to talk about my "infatuation" with SM in public. That's why I always obfuscate any comments I make about SM, and that code is how I pull that off. Denelson83 06:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, unfortunately, I ain't getting any younger, and I expect to be a fan of SM for a very long time. Denelson83 06:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, other people could consider my fanhood of SM a serious breach of a very hard-coded community stereotype. Denelson83 07:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No, that would be out of character for me. I have never manifested even a hint of sexual attraction.  I shall not elaborate. Denelson83 07:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

ReBatman Article
Sorry. I think it's a misunderstanding. Maybe i would have wrote written in edit object i try to put a link to a featurd articles in other language. I tried to synthetize, but clearly in an unhappy way. I know and appreciate Wikipedia (i'm italian wikies wikipedian) and i think an interlink to a featured article (in Italy too Batman that is) it's not a vandalism. Maybe you think different or don't know this kind of template and interlink. Feel myself deal with as a vandal is unpleasent at all. Maybe in en.wiki don't you use this interlink anymore ? Regards --Kal-El ☺ post here! 21:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC) P.S. Sorry about my unfluent english. I hope to be at least understandable. BTW here you are an instance of use of link to a featured article: Wernher von Braun, it's not reverted. OK? Best --Kal-El ☺ post here! 21:45, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I've noticed me too that in some way it's impossible to see the link. I think, or better, suppose that depends on default monobook. By myself i can't see the link (a little star close to interlink) when i'm logged in and i can see it when i'm logged out. Weird, isn'it? Same thing on fr.wiki. In italian version template works in both ways. I don't know to be more precise, sorry. If you don't mind you can test (oops) trial in both appearance (log-in/log-out) to verify. However it's a way to highlight, to give more prominence to Featured Article (as it:Batman is). Maybe on here you can found some informations, by myself i'm not able to found them and that is the principal cause by my writing "test" (i'm not sure about template syntax). Let me know, please. Ciao (typical italian greeting) --Kal-El ☺ post here! 23:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Name change
Certainly - please see Changing username for instructions on requesting a change. Regards — Dan | talk 23:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:WikiGnome
This category is being merged with Category:User Wikipedia/wikignomes. Please list yourself in the latter, by following the instructions at WikiGnome. Thanks. -- Paddu 06:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Category Cleanup

 * I just wanted to let you know that you are one of two users in a category proposed to be merged: Category:WikiGnome. If you (and the other user) move yourselves over to the larger category, the old category would be empty and could be speedy deleted.  A small but useful step in the process of trimming down the category list. — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib)  –  February 7, 2006, 16:37 (UTC)

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Just a quandary here. Are we going to (again) have confusion over the term "athletics", whether speaking in an American or British sense. I understand that these are referring to American venues, but I just know someone will come along and decide that they all need to be fixed (to conform with the British sense that athletics refers only to track and field activities). Flyers13 04:17, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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Municipality of Strathfield
I've been working on this for a while (so self-nomination). I submitted it to peer review and Rd232 made some valuable comments (mainly that the corruption scandal was important, it needed a politics section, and needs a culture section) which I responded to. I'd like to put this forward to FAC now. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:19, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Object but all should be fixable: (1) C in "Homebush council", "Strathfield Council" not standardised in capitalisation throughout the article (please explain if there's a specific reason for that; the reference about Australian English in Local Government Area is also confusing to me), (2) " for the elite and the rich" in intro sounds a bit non-encyclopedic; (3) are there any actual pictures of modern Strathfield? One historicla picture about a geographic area seems very limited. I know it's a tiny area with very limited population. Otherwise well-writtena and will support. JuntungWu 06:14, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Fixed the C in Homebush Council (thanks for pointing that out), I disagree with the comment about the elite and rich, as that is what it was at one point. Getting pictures is hard for me as I don't own a digital camera. I think we can list this on requests for images, however. As a side note: The Municipality of Strathfield is one of Sydney's largest municipalities :) Ta bu shi da yu 06:25, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Also the historical picture that you uploaded has a weird reference about "The picture is copyright and owned by State Library of NSW." but you marked it PD. Why? It sounds like it's out of copyright in Australia so it's probably released. I am just confused about this. JuntungWu 06:16, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC) Okay. JuntungWu 06:32, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I didn't. However, the copyright is the State Libraries, though it is still publicdomain as our copyright in Australia lasts 50 years only. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:19, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, (4) there is a link about "For NSW state elections, the Municipality of Strathfield is in the State Electoral District of Strathfield". What about the federal one? In the sense that there's a quip about three electoral districts in the table but only one mention in the text. Does the municipality lie entirely inside a federal seat? JuntungWu 06:21, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The state and federal boundaries are totally seperate. They don't relate to each other at all. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:25, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * have noted that it is in the federal electorate of Lowe. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:27, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I've added a synopsis of how the 3-tiered system of govt. in Australia works. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:26, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay I've crossed out (2). I've also created a stub on Alfred Tsang to remove a redlink. But there's still a lot of red links though. JuntungWu 09:56, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know :-) That's what why Wikiproject Sydney was formed! - Ta bu shi da yu 11:30, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to object to this, really because of one misgiving: way too large a proportion of this page is about the recent mayoral scandal, and the information about this scandal is not really integrated into the local politics section. We don't find out how this relates to local politics more generally, what party Alfred Tsang is from, etc. Another thing that worries me, though it plays no part in my objection, is how we decide what information belongs in the Municipality information and what belongs in the suburb of Strathfield.--XmarkX 13:33, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Hoooold on a second! How is the former mayor of Strathfield Council stepping down because of corruption allegations not a part of the local policitical scene? However, I understand your concerns of dividing the information between the suburb of Strathfield with the Municipality of Strathfield. It's confusing, I know, but the information I have added to this article has to do with Muncipality as a whole, and information that has to do with just the suburb will later be added to the Strathfield article. That's why I got rid of the redirect and added a substub as a place holder for the meantime. Any suggestions of how to seperate this in a clearer fashion would be highly appreciated! - Ta bu shi da yu 21:30, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * it's not that it's not local politics - it's just this page doesn't tell me anything about the local politically scene that is the backdrop to the scandal, which is what I would want to know from this article. Instead it just recaps information I have heard umpteen times from every Australian news source--XmarkX 05:02, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I've attempted to update this with a bit of background information. Does this look good? - Ta bu shi da yu 06:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The local politics in that local neighbourhood is probably not very notable beyond that scandal . Just a view. JuntungWu 06:32, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I would agree. There is no policitical system just for that neighbourhood . Incidently, I live in Strathfield :-) I should know. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I think I misunderstood you. Some of it was interesting. I added info that detailed how developers gave money to the Labor party to get them into power. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:26, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Minor objection, though maybe it's just my unfamiliarity with Australian political entities. I found it very confusing to figure out how the 'suburbs' fit into the municipality. Maybe a close-up map showing the boundaries of the suburbs would help. --SPUI (talk) 13:22, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah... that could be... interesting. I can't find public domain images that can do this, and I'm no good at map drawing! - Ta bu shi da yu 14:15, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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Keep it. Period.
--- Anyone want to make note that Strummer's "wolf-like howls or perhaps Rooster-like crows" were, according to JS himself, in imitation of the gulls that flock around the Thames?

Is there a name for these noises? I remember a vid of roger waters doing them. John Wilcox 23:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC) ---

VFD Result
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Noel Coward song of that name
There's a 1923 Noel Coward song of that very name, too; --tickle me 04:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Phoney Beatlemania
This section "While many took the line as a slam against the Beatles, another interpretation, offered at the time the song was released, suggested that this line referred not to the Beatles, but to the Broadway production, Beatlemania, which advertised itself as "Not the Beatles, But an Incredible Simulation." Hence, the line castigated late 1970s culture for its lack of substance, such as consuming "phoney Beatlemania," essentially a simulated, rather than actual, experience." strikes me as OR - I'd like to see some citations for the Broadway Beatlemania bit. It reads as an American interpretation of the genesis of this song, and I don't believe it is at all likely that a late 70s British punk band would have paid any attention to what the advertising tag for a New York musical theatre show was, let alone be bothered enough by it to include it in the lyrics of a song. Part of the punk movement in the UK was to reject US influences - for the first time you hear people singing in British accents, and rejecting cheesy US pop. Occam's Razor surely applies here - the simplest and most obvious explanation is the one most likely to be true - that they were referencing Beatlemania as it occured at the height of a new musical movement, just as they were riding the wave of another, punk. Of course my musings are OR, but I'm not putting them into the article. I think the Broadway bit should definitely come out unless it can be sourced. 81.129.134.183 (talk) 15:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Punk blues
seriously?? 188.222.41.105 (talk) 21:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

drumming
Really sorry that I don't know how to do this, but how is the drumming "without a backbeat". Kick on the accent (one) snare on the off-count (three). Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.63.87 (talk) 15:40, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Reference to Riots
It can't be a reference to "London Riots at the time" as there were no London riots at the time. Brixton riots were in 1981. The riots at the notting hill festival were a few years ago. It is more likely to just be a reference to police brutality, that was commonly perceived especially by left wing/multicultural parts of the community. Many of these pent up problems were discussed by the later Scarman Report. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.95.144 (talk) 04:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 * See the Notting Hill riots in 1976. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 13:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Last 3 paragraphs under Writing and Recording
Last 3 paragraphs under Writing and Recording need severely cleaned up. "Strummer's icy lyrics and baleful delivery. Strummer's howls during the instrumental break further fuel the atmosphere of paranoia." Come on now. It was written like a review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackbrown2 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Bond movie
It might be mentioned that part of the song was in a James Bond movie... AnonMoos (talk) 11:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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Spambellish
DicDef for a neologism. No hits on Google. --Lee Hunter 04:22, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, neologism. Although, possibly merge with spam? --bainer 04:37, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mikkalai 07:03, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, obviously. Wyss 20:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Alien language

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Complex?
"cuttlefish and chameleons, which can alter their body color in complex ways as a method of communication, and ants and honey bees, which use pheromones to communicate complex messages": what evidence is there that these messages are complex? Seems to me they're anything but. Mcswell (talk) 22:09, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Pioneer and Voyager messages
I think the Pioneer plaque in particular deserves a mention as an actual attempt to speak to aliens? It is essentially an "alien" language of our own creation for ease of communication, and presumably any aliens contacting us might have a similar idea and not message us in English/Vulcan/Bokqvt'fst. The hyperfine transition of hydrogen (no, I don't know either) is used to introduce the concept of a binary switch, with binary being the alien "language" used for the rest of the plaque. Many people have proposed that aliens would speak to us in maths or chemistry, not abstract language. This might be original research or in the realm of universal language though. It would be nice to have something other than science ficton to discuss though.

Also, if a lion could speak, we wouldn't understand him? Surely he said "feed me"?GM Pink Elephant (talk) 21:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Possible Earlier Use of the Term "Xenolinguistics"
I don't have a searchable copy, but I could have sworn that the term "xenolinguistics" was used prior to 1986 in one of the first three books of the Hitchiker's Guide trilogy, when they are discussing how all languages have phonetically similar words for beverages. I think it was in "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.64.157.114 (talk) 06:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Possible article move?
I edited the lede in a way that prioritizes the terms for the study of alien languages. This doesn't necessitate an article move, since all three terms redirect here, but if we want to do so, I'm not sure which term is best. Google's Ngram viewer only showed results for exolinguistics, but currently only Xenolinguistics is used in Wikipedia articles. — Æµ§œš¹  [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 17:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Science Fiction
I believe this section should also include mention of:
 * 1) Harry Harrison's West of Eden
 * 2) Jean M. Auel's The Clan of the Cave Bear  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirelly (talk • contribs) 20:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Phonology
What are possibilities of alien vocal organs? What organs might be used and what are some ideas of how it might be spoken, signed, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.85.166.212 (talk) 23:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Grammar
How might alien language grammar differ from human language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.85.166.212 (talk • contribs)

Missing
The Languages of Pao and the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis should definitely be mentioned here. Paradoctor (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Go ahead. Be bold.
 * --Kortoso (talk) 21:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Question
Hypothetical study of alien languages
 * or

Study of hypothetical alien languages ?
 * Kortoso (talk) 16:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

The issue if alien language in LINGUISTICS
Hi! I recently added a subsection "Linguistics" to "Alien language", which I reproduce below, but a user kicked it out with the comment "rv original research". Please note that my argumentation is strictly based on existing literature, which is cited in the references. Of course, it raises a series of open issues that indirectly follow from the sources. But they follow from common sense, i.e.:

- If human language is a consequence of intelligence (see references) ==> intelligent aliens probably have a similar language system - If human language is genetic to the human species (see references) ==> aliens may have very different systems - If language and thought are the same (see references)==> It may be similar in aliens, so they are supposed to possess a kind of language if they can think. - If language and thought are different systems (see references) ==> Aliens do not necessarily need a language, which raises the issue of telepathy (see references).

Since I am new to Wikipedia, I need some advice on this issue. Here is the passage at issue:

Human languages (also called natural languages) are symbolic systems that share a number of properties, which have not been shown to exist in animal communication, such as arbitrary mapping between form and meaning, double articulation, existence of ambiguity, context-sensitive rules or hierarchical structuring (on several levels such as phonology, morphology, and syntax). These properties are independent of the channel of transmission (modality, e.g. voice, manual or other signs, graphic symbols). The probability of a potential alien species having been able to develop a similar system depends on which of the multiple theories on the origin of human language one wants to adopt. For example, if these and other properties of human languages developed as a consequence of intelligence by itself or of specific cognitive abilities (such as theory of mind ), an alien organism with similar capacities may have developed a similar language system. A different picture emerges if human language is a specific part of the genetic endowment of the human species or even of the subspecies homo sapiens sapiens, as some researchers claim. Another highly controversial issue in linguistics is the exact relationship between thought and language. The proponents of linguistic relativity hold that a strong relationship exists between the two. An alternative theory is that language and thought are independent from each other, i.e. humans do not think in a specific language but in a kind of “language of thought”. Similarly, theoretical linguists also assume that human abstract ideas (concepts) exist independently from language. Under such views, intelligent beings do not necessarily possess a form of language, and we might ask whether alien organisms can possibly access each other’s (and maybe the humans’) concepts directly, e.g. by telepathy. Note that these considerations make exolinguistics face a double problem: first, the extraterrestrials’ mental representations (concepts) may be different from ours, and, second, if they possess a form of language, it will probably not be of the same type as human languages.

Linguist2017 (talk) 09:54, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Please keep in mind that writing wikipedia articles is not like writing essays. Please see WP:NOR and WP:SYNTH guidelines. You wrote "my argumentation is strictly based on ..." "Your argumentation" is your original research, which is inadmissible in wikipedia. Any argumentation and conclusions drawn from it must be published in reliable sources, and a wikipedian can only summarize  these. Since you say you are beginner, to avoid slipping into original research and other problems, please only add information summarized from sources which directly discuss alien language in general setting. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Now, now, let's be a bit more constructive here. What parts of this, exactly, are too far synthesized? A key question would be, I think: how many of the sources used talk about language in entirely general (and therefore are applicable to making claims about alien languages as a special case), vs. how many limit themselves to being necessarily about just human language (and therefore drawing conclusions about alien languages as well would be editor extrapolation)? This might be not always obvious at all, since in most contexts it's possible to talk about "possible languages" and "possible human languages" as just about equal.
 * There's probably also literature on the topic of non-human languages that's intended to be mainly about other Terran species but is general enough to similarly base an introductory paragraph like this on. -- Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 16:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt that there is a sufficiently serious literature about this highly speculative topic to warrant an article. I would want to see some literature that is actually about the topic before deciding what to include in an article.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 17:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

 * There has been a ton of research regarding terrestrial non-human communications, viz: Animal communication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kortoso (talk • contribs)
 * Of course there has, but non-human animals and aliens are two entirely different things and different topics.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Thank you all for the advice and discussion. I got it and, when I have some time, will reformulate the linguistic part, starting by summarizing the literature on exolinguistics/alien language. There is not much, that is true, but some can be found in the references to the paragraph I had written (see references below). I have now understood that the article needs to be written the other way round, e.g.: Chomsky in an an interview explicitely says that he doubts that extraterrestril may have the same type of grammar as humans have. Some of what I explained above about human language/grammar may then be necessary to explain the background of such a statement, which is also found in the same interview and Chomsky's theoretical writing. Linguist2017 (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Some good points are here (a course note linked from [Course notes cited in our article). But these are borderline admissible sources, since they are at personal webpages. Please also beware dwelling into languages from science fiction, they have [[Alien language in science fiction|their own article]]. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:58, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Possibilities
It may turn out that learning an alien language may not be as hard as we think. Its likely that to visit us, aliens would need to decode our transmissions. We aren't exactly sure how many similarities there would be so "Water" may be a fundamental concept common to all life but a starting point might be the Periodic Table (SG1) or other basic constants no matter what numerical base is used. Base 8 (4 digits) may be as good a start, in which case translation would be very simple. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.81.156.165 (talk) 08:12, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please keep in mind that wikipedia is not a chat room and our talk pages are for discussions of article improvement. If you have publications in reputable sources which discuss the issues you raised, please bring them here, and we may use them to expand the article. Otherwise, sorry, please use other forums to discuss your ideas. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:44, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Chomsky's Universal Grammar is now questioned
Chomsky's Universal Grammar is now questioned, and seemingly discredited ? Here it seems to be taken as gospel, and perhaps given too much weight ? Are there no rebuttals of Chomsky's conclusions relating to alien language learning ? - Rod57 (talk) 13:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Who says it is discredited? Not the wp article (which is by the way is chaotic and hard to comprehend by a layman), which says it is criticized, which is normal.
 * Too much weight? Two sentences? You must be kidding.
 * No rebuttals? Be our guest, find them and expand the article. In any case, nobody edited this article an an essential way for over two years. It is quite possible new research appeared. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Bandra

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Can someone put some information on Bandra's population, such as its size, religions, languages, descent (Goan, East Indian, etc.), age structure, etc.

Please also mention Almeida Park (off Prof. Almeida Road) in the heart of Bandra.

There was no mention of Bandra's rich legacy of producing field hockey talent for the India teams -including the first ever schoolboy to represent India in the World Cup (1970) - Francis D'Mello from St. Stanislaus. Prominent Bandra field hockey international players include goalkeepers Cedric Pereira (Stanislaus) and Cedric D'Souza (Sacred Heart - but a resident of Bandra); midfielders Joaquium Carvalho (St Andrews) and Viren Rasquinha (St. Stanislaus); forwards Marcellus Gomes and Francis D'Mello (both St. Stanislaus) and many others.

Can some one put some more light on history of Bandra relating to the 'Old Slaughter House', 'Railway Yard', 'Water Pipe Lines and water supply', Old Cotton Handlooms, Bandra Municipality and its Councilors etc.? As all these topics are related to the old village called 'Navpada'.

Where is the proof that Bandra has "the most churches anywhere in the world"? Please take that off or qualify the statement to say Bandra has a large number of churches for a suburb.

I am removing the following phrase - "it is a great township". This statement is arbitrary. - Siddharth Prabhu 12:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Bandra Railway Station(2008)
It is not Bandra Railway Station, the train shown is heading towards Panvel ??

Lists
Hi guys, I am skeptical of including list of schools and colleges, malls, hospitals, places of worships... for that matter any kind of lists. Wiki is encyclopedia so things should be presented in details if they are worth knowing or is associated with any kind of important events in past or present. Information should not be bulleted.

Wikipedia is not a directory, and hey, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information either.

If you all agree I would like to delete all lists from this page. spacejuncky 15:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * It was really immature of you to delete the lists. Schools and colleges, malls, hospitals, places of worships, etc. are places which define a township and information regarding them is always useful for everyone interested in knowing the town. Wikipedia grows when people work constructively, so instead of encouraging your whims and fantasies you should try and act in a positive way and refrain from deleting useful info. added by someone else [no, it wasnt me]. Please undo this ASAP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 221.134.1.204 (talk • contribs).

 * Please see WP:NOT and WP:USEFUL. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. utcursch | talk 14:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Tone of the article, Unverified claims
The tone of the article is snobbish and chauvinistic. It also suggests that the western part of Bandra is superior to the eastern part.

To quote a few examples:
 * 1) "is a wealthy suburban area in the city of Mumbai"
 * 2) "[Bandra East] is completely overshadowed by its neighbouring city district."
 * 3) "Bandra (W), has historically grabbed most of the spotlight"
 * 4) "However, the eastern side soon followed its popular counterpart"

I have tried to bring some objectivity into the article. It would be great if someone could help clean it up.

Besides there are a few unverified claims. I doubt if the majority population is Catholic. What do the census figures say? Rohini (talk) 20:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) "With a large cosmopolitan population in Mumbai, the predominantly Catholic Bandra"

This is an appalling article. It is haphazard and oozes pretence and snobbishness at every line break. I have done my best to clean it up. More useful, factual information is needed here (For example, demographics), apart from bring order and objectivity to the article. Rohini (talk) 08:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Completely agree with you. Loads of unverifiable and in some instances unquantifiable snobbish claims.122.169.46.240 (talk) 12:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Section on Bandra Talao/ Bandra Lake
this article has changed by wase — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.151.120 (talk) 17:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I see that a separate page has been created for the Bandra Talao. How do we take content off Section 1.4.3 Bandra Lake, and link the section to the new page? Rohini (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Srikanth! Rohini (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Major overhaul required?
This page looks like a school going child's essay. It does not provide any accurate or useful and concise info. Could we at least start with re writing the intro? [Bandra kid myself by the way, and I find this offensive :P] Neeya The Great (talk) 22:39, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Map of Bandra, Demographic info
Do you guys agree with the inclusion of a map of Bandra with all the localities? Why is there a section on localities followed by a section on geography? Aren't they very much related? Also, is there any way to provide census information for the article by demographics? Bandra is highly cosmopolitan now and while it does have a catholic heritage, I'm quite sure Muslims have far surpassed Catholics in numbers though not by land ownership. By deanery census records there are 55000 Catholics in Bandra West and Less than 10000 in Bandra East.

Dmps000111 (talk) 11:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

 * Please provide citation and source for deanery records, so that facts can be used in the article.Parkwells (talk) 13:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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Electron/temp
Time to go? Looks like done. Mikkalai
 * Delete. Looks like merge has been completed already. Do not leave redirect. jni 10:07, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:41, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Stephanopoulos

Stephanopoulos (Στεφανόπουλος) is a Greek surname. Notable people with the surname include:

 * Andreas Stephanopoulos (1860–1938), Greek politician
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 * Costis Stephanopoulos (1926–2016), Greek politician, President of Greece
 * George Stephanopoulos (born 1961), Greek-American journalist and political adviser
 * Georgios Stephanopoulos (born 1962) Greek boxer
 * Maria Flytzani-Stephanopoulos (1950–2019) American chemical engineer
 * Stefanos Stephanopoulos (1898–1982), Greek politician, Prime Minister of Greece

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I'm not as new here as I used to be.

Dayv is my name. Pronouced "deɪv" to use IPA notation, without brakets, however.

 * I've recently created my first new article, on Jack_Dangers. Please let me know what you think!

I wholeheartedly support Wikipedia's NPOV position. I intend for my personal bias to show in what I choose to edit (if at all), not in the edits I make, which may lead one to think I am a killjoy. I especially seem a killjoy when I revert vandalism that I actually agree is kind of funny. However, entrenched debates about what is or isn't NPOV are a gigantic pain; this is why I'm mostly keeping my nose out of the Anarchism snafu.

Sometimes I forget to log in, and my edits are noted only by whatever IP I'm currently at. I hate that. But I'm not going to leave my account logged in at work, either.

I've "adopted" the Julian Cope article in particular, working over time with aspirations of making it a top-notch article. That doesn't mean I own the article, of course, it just means I'll be checking back on it frequently and adding things periodically. Of course, since putting this in my profile, I've barely touched it.

My main interests are politics and music, but I'll edit any article in which I see an improvement to be made.

Constructive criticism is the only useful kind. Candy criticism might be nice but I prefer coffee criticism. I like my coffee like I like my women humor: black and bitter.

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Asor

The asor (עָשׂוֹר ʿasor; from עשר eśer, meaning "ten") was a musical instrument "of ten strings" mentioned in the Bible. There is little agreement on what sort of instrument it was or to what instruments it had similarities.

Biblical references
The word occurs only three times in the Bible, and has not been traced elsewhere. In Psalm 33:2 the reference is to "kinnor, nebel and asor" (הוֹדוּ לַיהוָה בְּכִנּוֹר; בְּנֵבֶל עָשׂוֹר, זַמְּרוּ-לוֹ׃); in Psalm 92:3, to "nebel and asor"; in Psalm 144 to "nebel-asor".

In the King James Version asor is translated "an instrument of ten strings", with a marginal note "omit" applied to "instrument". In the Septuagint, the word being derived from a root signifying "ten", the Greek is ἐν δεκαχορδῷ or ψαλτήριον δεκάχορδον, in the Vulgate in decachordo psalterio. Each time the word asor is used it follows the word nebel, and probably merely indicates a variant of the nebel, having ten strings instead of the customary twelve assigned to it by Josephus.

title: Asor