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George Richmond (painter)

George Richmond (28 March 1809 – 19 March 1896) was an English painter and portraitist. In his youth he was a member of The Ancients, a group of followers of William Blake. Later in life he established a career as a portrait painter, which included painting the portraits of the British gentry, nobility and royalty.

He was the son of Thomas Richmond, miniature-painter, and was the father of the painter William Blake Richmond as well as the grandfather of the naval historian, Admiral Sir Herbert Richmond.

A keen follower of cricket, Richmond was noted in one obituary as having been "an habitué of Lord's since 1816".

Early life
George was born at Brompton, then a country village, on 28 March 1809. His mother, Ann Richmond, came of an Essex family named Oram, and was a woman of great beauty and force of character. His brother Thomas Richmond was also a portrait artist.

One of his earliest recollections was the sight of the lifeguards marching to the cavalry barracks at Brompton on their return from the campaign of Waterloo, and he remembered when a lad walking for a mile beside the Duke of York, in order to sketch him for his father, from whom he received his first instruction in art. He went for a short time only to a day school kept by an old dame in Soho, and at fifteen became a student at the Royal Academy. Here he was much impressed by the personality of Henry Fuseli, then professor of painting, formed a friendship, which lasted a lifetime, with Samuel Palmer, and had as fellow-students and companions Edward Calvert, Thomas Sidney Cooper, esq., R.A., and Frederick Tatham, whose sister he married. Among other early friends was John Giles, Palmer's cousin, and a man of devout life and deep religion, who deeply influenced the literary taste, general culture, and religious views of his friends.

Blake and the Ancients
When Richmond was sixteen he met William Blake, of whom Palmer and Calvert were devoted admirers, at the house of John Linnell at Highgate. The same night Richmond walked home across the fields to Fountain Court with the poet and painter, who left on Richmond's mind a profound impression, 'as though he had been walking with the prophet Isaiah.' From this time till Blake's death, Richmond followed his guidance and inspiration in art. Traces of Blake's influence are seen in all Richmond's early works, and especially in 'Abel the Shepherd,’ and in 'Christ and the Woman of Samaria,’ exhibited at the Royal Academy in 1825. In 1827 he was present at Blake's death, and had the sad privilege of closing the poet's eyes and taking his death mask; he, his wife Julia, and a little band of young enthusiasts, of whom he was the last survivor, followed Blake to his grave in Bunhill Fields.

Along with Palmer, Calvert, Tatham and others he formed the Blake-influenced group known as "The Ancients". This influence faded in later life, when he produced relatively conventional portraits.

Later life
In 1828 Richmond went to Paris to study art and anatomy, the expenses of the journey being met from money earned by painting miniatures in England before leaving and in France during his stay. He spent a winter in the schools and hospitals, and saw something of the social life of the Paris of Charles X; at Calais he exchanged pinches of snuff with the exiled Beau Brummell.

On his return to England he spent some time at the White Lodge, Richmond Park, with Lord Sidmouth, who gave him much valuable counsel, and whose portrait by him in watercolour is now in the National Portrait Gallery. In 1830 his contributions to the academy comprised two poetical subjects, 'The Eve of Separation' and 'The Witch,’ from Ben Jonson's 'Sad Shepherdess,’ and three portraits. In 1831 he exhibited but one picture, 'The Pilgrim.'

He had now formed a deep attachment to Julia, a beautiful daughter of Charles Heathcote Tatham, the architect, and when her father revoked the consent he had at first given to their union, the young couple ran away, journeyed to Scotland by coach in the deep snow of a severe winter, and were married according to Scottish law at Gretna Green in January 1831. This act proved the turning-point of Richmond's career, and determined him to adopt portraiture as the readiest means of earning a living. Soon after the young couple had set up house in Northumberland Street, they were found and befriended by Sir Robert Harry Inglis, and it was at his instance that the portrait in watercolour of William Wilberforce, afterwards engraved by Samuel Cousins, was painted by Richmond; this picture, by its happy treatment of a difficult subject, and by the excellence of the engraving after it, achieved a worldwide success. There followed immediately many successful watercolour portraits, among which may be mentioned those of Lord Teignmouth, the Frys, the Gurneys, the Buxtons, the Upchers, and the Thorntons, all traceable to Inglis's friendly introduction.

In 1837 Richmond was forced to take a rest for the sake of his health, which had broken down through overwork and the loss of three children within a very short time. He went to Rome with his wife and their surviving child Thomas, accompanied by Samuel Palmer and his bride, a daughter of John Linnell. During his stay in Italy, which lasted about two years, he made studies and copies of many of the subjects on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, having a scaffolding erected so as to reach the vault; here he made the acquaintance of Cardinal Mezzofanti, of whose colloquial English he always spoke with wonder. Subsequently, he visited Naples, Pompeii, and the cities of Tuscany with Baring, for whom he painted a picture of 'The Journey to Emmaus.' While still in Rome he painted a picture of 'Comus,’ afterwards exhibited. In southern Italy, Richmond painted three portraits in oil on canvas that would help establish his reputation as the pre-eminent portrait painter of his generation: '' (Feb. 1838), 'A Neapolitan' (Mar. 1837) and 'Vine Dresser' (Apr. 1838).

In Rome Richmond made many valuable friends, including Mr. and Mrs. Gladstone, Henry Acland, the Severns, Thomas Baring, Lord Farrer, and John Sterling, and his house on the Tarpeian rock was a meeting-place for these young English travellers. John Sterling, in letters to Richard Chenevix Trench, writes of Richmond as the most interesting young artist he had met. In after years he was one of the original members of the Sterling Club. He returned to England in 1839, and resumed his practice as a portrait-painter, revisiting Rome, however, with his brother Thomas in 1840. Then, as related in 'Præterita,’ Richmond made the friendship of Ruskin, who later introduced him to Thomas Carlyle. About the same period Richmond travelled in Germany with John Hullah, alighting on Munich where he studied for a while under Peter von Cornelius.

Richmond was a member of 'The Club' (Johnson's), Nobody's Friends, Grillion's Club, to which he was limner, and the Athenaeum Club, London. A staunch churchman, he was intimate for years with all the leaders of the tractarian movement. He received honorary degrees from the universities of Oxford and Cambridge, was a fellow of the Society of Antiquaries, an honorary fellow of University College, London, and of the Royal Institute of British Architects, and a member of the Company of Painter-Stainers of the City of London.

In 1846 he was nominated by Gladstone to succeed Sir Augustus Wall Callcott on the council of the government schools of design, a post which he held for three years; and ten years later he was appointed a member of the royal commission to determine the site of the National Gallery, when he was alone in voting for its removal from Trafalgar Square to South Kensington. In 1871, and again in 1874, Gladstone pressed upon him to accept the directorship of the National Gallery, but the prime minister was unsuccessful.

In 1870 he bought Porch House, a 15th-century timber-framed house in the Wiltshire village of Potterne, near Devizes, and took advice from Ewan Christian on its restoration. The work included the addition of glass mosaic floors and encaustic floor tiles.

George Richmond died at his house, 20 York Street, Portman Square, where he had lived and worked for fifty-four years, on 19 March 1896, retaining almost to the end a clear and vigorous memory. He is buried in a family grave on the eastern side of Highgate Cemetery (plot no.23902) and is commemorated by a tablet designed by his sons to be placed in the crypt of St. Paul's Cathedral, close to the graves of Wren and of Leighton. He left ten children and forty grandchildren. His surviving sons included Canon Richmond of Carlisle and Sir William Blake Richmond, K.C.B., R.A. Of his daughters, three married respectively F. W. Farrer, Archdeacon Buchanan, canon of Salisbury, and Justice Kennedy.

Works
Richmond's portraits of eminent persons in England were steadily produced for forty years, initially in crayon and watercolour. After 1846 he began to paint in oil, and left a large number of excellent portraits in this medium. Many of his portraits were reproduced as engravings. The Victorian Exhibition held at the New Gallery in the winter of 1891–2 contained eight of his portraits in oil, forty in crayon, and two (Mrs. Fry and Sir Thomas Fowell Buxton, both dated 1845) in watercolour.

The oil pictures included Earl Granville, Archbishop Longley (1863), Bishops Selwyn and Wilberforce, Canon Liddon, and Sir George Gilbert Scott, R.A. (1877). Among the crayon portraits were Cardinal Newman (1844), John Keble, Henry Hallam (1843), Charlotte Brontë (1850), Elizabeth Gaskell (1851), Lord Macaulay (1844 and 1850), Sir Charles Lyell (1853), Michael Faraday (1852), and Lord Lyndhurst (1847).

He also drew or painted Queen Adelaide, Prince George (at that time Duke) of Cambridge, and the Prince of Wales, (later Edward VII) when a boy; Lord Palmerston, Lord Aberdeen, the Duke of Newcastle, and Gladstone; Cardinal Manning, Archbishop Tait, and Dean Stanley; Sir Thomas Watson, Syme, Alison, and Sir James Paget; Prescott, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Darwin, Owen, Harriet Martineau and Tyndall, and a host of others. Richmond was elected an associate of the Royal Academy in 1857, a royal academician in 1866, and some years before his death he joined the ranks of the retired academicians. He took a warm interest in the winter exhibitions of the old masters at the Royal Academy.

On the death of his wife in 1881 he gave up regular work, but still painted occasionally and occupied himself with sculpture. He had previously, in 1862, designed and executed a recumbent statue in marble of Charles James Blomfield, bishop of London, for St. Paul's Cathedral, and in 1882 he executed the marble bust of Dr. Pusey, now in Pusey House, Oxford, and presented a bust of John Keble to Keble College. Among his later works in oil were portraits of Harvey Goodwin, bishop of Carlisle, Edward King, bishop of Lincoln, and Archibald Campbell Tait, archbishop of Canterbury. In 1887, on the occasion of Queen Victoria's jubilee, he painted a portrait of the third Marquis of Salisbury (the last work he executed), which was presented to the queen by the marquis's wife.

His success as a portrait-painter was due as much to his power of drawing out the best from his sitter in conversation as to skill in delineation. Being a very skilful and rapid draughtsman, he was able, while putting himself into sympathy with his sitter, to report the happiest moment and fleeting changes of expression, and to get out of his subject more than at first sight appeared to be there. His ideal of portraiture was 'the truth lovingly told;’ and he never consciously flattered. He was also a most industrious and clever sketcher from nature, and he produced (for his own pleasure and instruction) hundreds of drawings in pencil and watercolour, many of great beauty, of figure and landscape. To his skill as a portrait-painter were added great knowledge of Italian painting and sound judgment in matters of art, and the government were often glad to avail themselves of his services and advice.

In the National Portrait Gallery are portraits by him of Lord Sidmouth (watercolour); Lord-chancellors Cranworth and Hatherley, Baron Cleasby and Lord Cardwell (oil paintings); Samuel Rogers, the poet, and John Keble (crayon drawings), both bequeathed by the painter; besides drawings, purchased in July 1896, of Earl Canning, Viscount Hill, Sir George Cornewall Lewis, Canon Liddon, Archbishop Longley, Sir Charles Lyell, Cardinal Newman, Dr. Pusey, Sir Gilbert Scott, Sir Robert Harry Inglis, and Bishop Wilberforce.

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Talk:List of Lost characters

Richard Alpert
The blurb for Alpert states that he was a slave on the Black Rock based on the 'shackles' comment. Is there a reference that this is the intended meaning of the 'shackles' comment? As I watched the episode it was unclear what MIB's intended meaning was for this comment. Jeremiah McGowan 16:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In the spirit of being bold, and because even the official Lost website does not contain any references to Alpert being on the Black Rock as a slave or otherwise, I have removed the comment from his blurb. Any disagreements, please post and let me know. Jeremiah McGowan (talk) 18:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Man In Black article
It has been in at least 20 episodes, and it looks as if it will be the main antagonist from this point forward. The Monster needs its own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.106.210 (talk) 08:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 * It is also technically now a main cast member. I smell an article coming…  – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  08:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 * An article detailing all instances of the Man In Black/monster (including those portrayed by Yemi, Christian, Locke etc.) is a great idea. I think we also need to make it clear in character articles that, for example, the on-screen Locke we're now seeing is not Locke - ie. take the info about Locke post-death out of there, same with Christian, to avoid duplication in the MIB article. Tphi (talk) 13:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Anyone getting on that MIB article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.106.210 (talk) 06:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * No. – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  14:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion
How about a bit on the introduction clarifying the "history" of the characters decribes how it was revealed over the first five seasons, and that the weird season 6 version of the events of 2004 may continue to conflict with that. Might prevent some revert wars! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.226.209 (talk) 01:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you're saying? --HELLØ    ŦHERE 01:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Ben Linus
Where is he? 98.235.81.240 (talk) 15:24, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Look for "Benjamin Linus". For some unknown reason article uses full names instead of the names that the characters are better known with. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 2010

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 07:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Characters of Lost → Characters of Lost (TV series) —
 * To match main article, Lost (TV series), as there are many things called "Lost" which have characters. Just look at the dab page, Lost, will show that. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:38, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: "Lost" is quite a general term and when someone searches for it, they really could be searching for any in a number of possiblities. But when someone is typing in "characters of Lost", they really can only mean one of four things on Wikipedia and the television show is far more popular—enough so to override the others.  This is covered at Disambiguation.  We have an open-and-shut case here.  – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  08:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per thedemonhog. --Jackieboy87 (talk · contribs) 14:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per above. Tphi (talk) 15:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Shouldn't perform the move User:Tw3435 without consensus. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per thedemonhog's rational Calmer   Waters  01:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Monster and episode count
I think it's a good time to recall Talk:Characters_of_Lost/Archive_9. The producers said that we have seen the monster before and we didn't realise it. Episode count not based on books or magasines was proven inaccurate for second time. (Lock's episode count was the first one). -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

 * That is not really the episode count's fault. By that token, multiple articles were wrong for months because they said that Locke had survived his death.  – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  05:10, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Distinction between "main" and :"minor" characters
So, Nicky and Paolo are "main" characters, but Rose and Bernard are "minor?" How does that work out? They all had flashback episodes, and Rose and Bernard have been seen far more often and have been instrumental at times. 216.194.7.254 (talk) 23:48, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

 * The distinction is made by who is credited as "starring" vs. "guest-starring". --Jackieboy87 (talk · contribs) 00:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Jacob should have his own page... his character is one of the major factors to the show, just as much as the Man in Black —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.174.40 (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

New character articles
I think we need to look into creating articles for both Jacob and Naomi Dorrit. Jacob is really first priority here; he's (obviously) an integral part of the show's mythology, and now that there's a Man in Black article it seems sort of silly to not have a Jacob article. Naomi's article I could personally take or leave, but I think it's kind of important in that she had a flashback. If the time is going to be spent to give a character a flashback and shed some light on their backstory, I personally think they deserve an article. Gefred7112 (talk) 17:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Needs his own page
He's one of the most important aspects of the mythology, just as much as the Man in Black, and has appeared in several episodes. In addition, he received his flashback episode (along with the Man in Black) in "Across the Sea". Even characters like Ethan, Cindy, Keamy, and Rousseau who never had flashbacks have their own article. I think its important that he gets one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JDJ39 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

 * But every article needs to pass Wp:Notability to have it. Importance within the series does not make him notable.Tintor2 (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Who is the arbiter of whether or not Jacob passes the Wp:Notability test?

Additionally, I question the validity of continuing to list Jacob as an "Other" at this point. It is clear that his role in the series long precedes that of the Others, and though his character is introduced by way of the Others, he's much bigger than any of the various groups in the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.141.158 (talk) 07:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * There's a fair few articles about Jacob and interviews with Mark Pellegrino out there. If you want to make a Jacob page, go for it Tphi (talk) 13:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it better to see the article can pass notability before redirecting it? The most recent articles created, Illana and the Man in Black, have no reception sections.Tintor2 (talk) 13:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Mother and Claudia
Though arguably not significant enough to warrant their own articles, clearly the characters of Mother and Claudia (played by Allison Janney and Lela Loren, respectively) - introduced in "Across the Sea" - have important enough roles in the series that they warrant inclusion in the "Miscellaneous characters" section. If "Bram" and "Diane Janssen" are regarded as important enough to be listed, I can't see how the characters of Mother and Claudia could not be considered notable enough to be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.141.158 (talk) 07:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC) New Character Display Picture

I waas just thinking, maybe we could put Jacob, the Mother, and Claudia in their own article if there isnt enough substance for each seperatly. They all tie in together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.104.231.224 (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Display Picture
I have found a very good one, that I think could be used instead of that one that is there - it has more characters on it - try cropping the the writing from the underneath them. What do you think? http://www.iimmgg.com/image/d09c6e2ba71b18692c408631524df199

New character articles: Pierre Chang and Eloise Hawking
Since they were credited as main cast members in the series finale, I think it's about time Pierre Chang and Eloise Hawking get their own articles. Agree? Gefred7112 (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

 * If there are enough reliable sources to show notability then by all means go for it, though I suspect that may be a challenge. Sanders11 (talk) 20:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

In connection with this, why are we labeling the guest characters from the finale as season 6 regulars? Yes, John Terry, L. Scott Caldwell, etc. were listed as a regular in the finale but saying there were a season 6 regular because of just that one episode, when every other appearance was a guest star, is a bit misleading. Same for Cynthia Watros and the other former main characters. I think we should move their status to recurring for season 6. Puppet125 (talk) 18:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * They are starring the last episode. They are on the titles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I say go for it. Nikki and Paulo have their own article, and they were probably the most minor "main" characters the show had.  They had lines in maybe three episodes. Kevinbrogers (talk) 01:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2011

 * Withdrawn by proposer. Consensus had not developed for move as proposed. No prejudice regarding future requests. Station1 (talk) 23:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Characters of Lost → List of Lost characters
 * Every other character list on Wikipedia is formatted this way. See List of Monk characters, List of The Office (U.S. TV series) characters, List of 30 Rock characters, and countless others. --Kevinbrogers (talk) 10:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "List of Lost characters" looks like "list of characters which have been lost", with the ordinary dictionary meaning of "lost" as at lost. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * How about List of Lost (TV series) characters? I started this for uniformity, as this is the only page on Wikipedia I can find that uses a different article title format. Kevinbrogers (talk) 11:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * How about List of characters on Lost? Station1 (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That's still not really going off of uniformity. The only two suggestions that do are List of Lost characters or List of Lost (TV series) characters. Kevinbrogers (talk) 23:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

 * rename to List of Lost (TV series) characters since the current title is ambiguous, and the proposed title is ambiguous. 65.95.14.96 (talk) 13:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to List of Lost characters. Anybody judging the article by its title is a fool. The capital L is clear enough, and I'm sure the first sentence of the article can clear it up. No need for a DAB modifier, just make the title a proper list title. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  16:20, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * going by Lost disambiguation page, there are quite a few fictional "Lost" items which would have characters, so I don't see how that is clear. 65.95.14.96 (talk) 20:22, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per wp:precise, "use titles as precise as necessary but no more". Sure it's a list, but does it have to be in the title? No. It is implied. I think titles "list of..." encourages cruft, which in turn attracts fancruft deletionists. It looks very nice as it does now, and I don't see why it has to change. walk victor falktalk 23:52, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. "Every other character list on Wikipedia is formatted this way" is totally inaccurate. See Characters of Friends, Characters of Smallville, Characters of Supernatural, Characters of Glee etc. In fact of the featured articles and lists on groups of characters there are two that use "Characters of" (Characters of Carnivàle and Characters of Final Fantasy VIII) and two that use "List of" (List of Naruto characters and List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters). Personally I don't think it particularly matters either way. Sanders11 (talk) 00:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm... sorry, I've never seen those. All the shows I like (everything on USA, most things on NBC, and most things on Fox) use "List of...", and I thought this was the only show that didn't. Kevinbrogers (talk) 02:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Might be worth bringing it up at WP:CHAR to see if a consensus can be reached for the best way to title them. Sanders11 (talk) 14:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Oppose per Sanders11's logic Tphi (talk) 10:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Guess I should do my research a little more next time. Sorry.  Is there a way to withdraw this request?  I'm not familiar with the way to do that. Kevinbrogers (talk) 22:19, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Alphabetical by last name?
This is really stupid. Most people know the characters only by their first name. How about changing it to first name, or listing Jack Shephard as first, followed by lesser main characters. Igottheconch (talk) 15:24, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Jacob (Lost Character)
Note Jacob (Lost Character) has been created, I have seen some past discussion about this, but I don't know if there is standing consensus that not enough has been written about Jacob to support a stand alone article or not, as such I haven't tagged it for anything, but I will let the fine people of this project have a look. --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Helen Norwood
Who voiced her on season 1 episode 4? Katey Sagal isn't listed on http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0636300/fullcredits#cast so was it someone else? 111.69.195.44 (talk) 04:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Greta (Lost)
This page redirects here, but nowhere is the character mentioned. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Merging proposal
Am I the only one that thinks that List of Lost characters and List of Lost cast members should be merged?-- Maze  waxie  12:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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Soviet submarine K-429

K-429 (often incorrectly referred to as K-329) was a Project 670-A Скат (Skat, meaning "ray"; also known by its NATO reporting name of Charlie I-class) nuclear submarine of the Soviet Navy. Her keel was laid down on 26 January 1971 at Krasnoye Sormovo in Gorky. She was launched on 22 April 1972, and was commissioned on 31 October 1972 into the Soviet Pacific Fleet.

Sinking incidents
In early 1983, K-429 returned to base needing overhaul after a long patrol. After turning their boat over to the shipyard, crew departed on leave. Her nuclear weapons remained aboard.

Ordered to sea
That June, Captain First Rank Nikolay Suvorov was ordered by Rear Admiral Oleg Yerofeyev to reassume command of K-429 and to take part in an exercise. Suvorov questioned the order: the exercises had been planned for later in the year, the boat was being repaired, the crew was on leave, and Suvorov expected a transfer to Saint Petersburg. Yerofeyev explained that Suvorov's Communist Party membership would be revoked and he would have to face a tribunal if he asked such questions. Without Communist Party membership, Suvorov would not be allowed to command a warship.

Suvorov recalled his crew and returned to K-429. Much of the crew could not be contacted, and their places were filled by sailors from the naval base and from five other boats that were in port at the time. Nearly one-third of the 120 crewmen had never been on K-429 before, and none of them received any training on K-429. On 23 June 1983, K-429 was ordered to proceed immediately to the torpedo firing range. Suvorov refused that order, replying that standard operating procedures required him to perform a test dive first.

The sinking
In the late evening on 23 June, K-429 arrived at her testing area in Sarannaya Bay, just south of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, and Suvorov gave the order to dive to periscope depth. However, he had not given the preliminary command to set the diving watch – the crew neither aligned the boat's systems for sea, nor were they at their stations to control the boat during the dive.

Because the boat had not been prepared to dive, instrumentation valves were not aligned properly, and even though the main ballast tanks were filling, their indicators read empty. Confused, Suvorov ordered auxiliary ballast tanks filled. Over-ballasted to about 60 tons negative buoyancy, the boat dived very quickly.

While K-429 was in the shipyard, her ventilation system had been opened to the maximum extent possible, so as to exhaust fumes from welding. Various interlocks that would automatically shut ventilation valves were disabled. This lineup was not corrected before the boat dived.

The open ventilation system caused immediate catastrophic flooding of the forward compartments. Suvorov ordered an emergency ballast blow, but the operator became confused and shut the flood valves on the bottoms of the tanks, while opening the vents on the tops of the tanks. About half of the boat's supply of high-pressure air was wasted through the vents without displacing any water. The forward compartments took on about 420 cubic meters (420 tons) of water before the ventilation system could be secured, killing 14 men immediately. At about midnight, the boat hit bottom, about 39 meters down. Although Suvorov had made mistakes that contributed to the sinking, his insistence on a test dive had saved the remaining men: the torpedo firing range was around 200 meters deep. If Suvorov had proceeded there directly, K-429 may have been lost.

The rescue
The boat's emergency buoys and escape capsules had been welded to the hull to prevent losing them at sea, so escape would require the crew to make a free ascent in Arctic waters. Suvorov assumed that his report that he would make a test dive had been received, and that the duty officer would give the alarm in about an hour when he failed to report re-surfacing. He ordered his crew to remain at their stations and await rescue, even though the boat's battery had begun releasing hydrogen.

Several hours later, during the morning of 25 June, Suvorov called for volunteers. Two of his original crew donned escape gear, locked out of the torpedo room escape trunk, and successfully ascended to the surface. They saw no ships in the area, so they swam to shore, where they were arrested by military police.

Their report reached Admiral Yerofeyev at about noon. By 19:15 that evening, the boat had been located, and the first sailor ascended to the waiting rescue ships at 22:36. During the rescue, two more seamen were lost during their ascent. The last seaman reached the surface at 23:00.

Aftermath
On 6 August K-429 was raised and towed into shallow water, and salvage began. It transpired that the reactor had shut down automatically, but that its control rods had jammed before reaching their full stroke, and the reactor had been operating at about 0.5% power since the disaster. No radiation or contamination leakage was found. On 8 August, K-429 was raised into dry dock.

Suvorov was sentenced to ten years in prison. Likhovozov, chief of the fifth compartment, was sentenced for eight years. They were arrested in the barracks where the court took place, without letting them say good-bye to their wives. Suvorov told an interviewer, "I am not fully innocent. But a fair analysis should have been made to avoid such accidents in the future. I told the judges in my concluding statement: if you do not tell the truth, others do not learn from bad experiences – more accidents will happen, more people will die."

Admiral Yerofeyev was promoted to Commander-in-Chief of the Northern Fleet.

On 13 September 1985, K-429 sank at her moorings. She was again raised and decommissioned.

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John Derek

John Derek (born Derek Delevan Harris; August 12, 1926 – May 22, 1998) was an American actor, filmmaker and photographer. He appeared in such films as Knock on Any Door, All the King's Men (both 1949), Rogues of Sherwood Forest (1950), and The Ten Commandments (1956). He was also known for launching the career of his fourth wife, Bo Derek.

Early life
John Derek was born Derek Delevan Harris in Hollywood, California, on August 12, 1926. His parents were actor/director Lawson Harris and actress Dolores Johnson.

Film career
His good looks were soon noticed, and he was groomed for a movie career by both his agent Henry Willson (who gave him the temporary stage name of Dare Harris) and David O. Selznick with small roles in the Selznick pictures Since You Went Away (1944) and I'll Be Seeing You (1944).

He was drafted in 1944 into the U.S. Army and saw service in the Philippines during the last days of World War II.

Columbia Pictures
After the war, Derek had a small role in A Double Life (1947) when he was approached by Humphrey Bogart, who renamed him John Derek and cast him as Nick "Pretty Boy" Romano, an unrepentant killer, in Knock on Any Door (1949), a socially conscious melodrama directed by Nicholas Ray. Derek was recognized as a talented newcomer, "plainly an idol for the girls", as Bosley Crowther wrote in a review for The New York Times. The Los Angeles Times called him "a handsome hot-eyed newcomer who makes the case for this product of the city's slums—'live fast, die young and have a good looking corpse'—all too fascinating for everybody's comfort."

The film was made for Bogart's Santana company and released through Columbia Pictures, who signed Derek to a seven-year contract in April 1948. Derek followed it with a supporting role as the son of Broderick Crawford in All the King's Men (1949), the Best Picture Oscar winner for its year. In September 1950, he had his name formally changed to John Derek.

Columbia promoted him to lead roles, as the son of the deceased Robin Hood in Rogues of Sherwood Forest (1950) with Alan Hale Sr.; the Los Angeles Times called him a "slim and beautiful youth". He was meant to follow it with The Gainesville Circus, but it was never made.

Instead, Columbia put him in another swashbuckler, Mask of the Avenger (1951), then gave him a good dramatic role in a prestige film, Saturday's Hero (1951), as a college football player. The novel was bought specifically as a vehicle for Derek. He was in a crime noir, The Family Secret (1951), then reunited with Crawford in Scandal Sheet (1952).

Derek was borrowed by Republic Pictures for a war film, Thunderbirds (1952). He went back to Columbia for Prince of Pirates (1953), a swashbuckler for Sam Katzman; two Westerns, Ambush at Tomahawk Gap (1953), with John Hodiak and The Last Posse (1953) with Crawford. He was back with Hodiak for Mission Over Korea (1953), a Korean War film, then was again borrowed by Republic for Sea of Lost Ships (1953). He left Columbia in July 1953.

Freelance actor
Derek made another film for Republic, The Outcast (1954), a Western. Walter Wanger used him for The Adventures of Hajji Baba (1954) released by 20th Century Fox, a surprise hit.

He had a showy role as John Wilkes Booth in Prince of Players (1955) at Fox, then was in the drama An Annapolis Story (1955) at Allied Artists.

Paramount
In March 1954, Derek signed a long-term contract with Paramount. His first films for the studio were Run for Cover (1955), a Western with James Cagney and Nicholas Ray; and The Leather Saint (1956), a boxing film. He also appeared as Joshua in The Ten Commandments (1956). He wanted to make a film about Joaquin Murrieta but it was never made.

Derek travelled to Italy to appear in Pirate of the Half Moon (1957). He made a Western, Fury at Showdown (1957), and a movie in Britain, The Flesh Is Weak (1957). He supported Cornel Wilde in Omar Khayyam (1957), and starred in High Hell (1958). In Europe he was in Prisoner of the Volga (1959) and he played an Arab in Exodus (1960). He was in a TV series, Frontier Circus.

Director
Derek disliked acting. He later said he "was never into it. If they'd given me the greatest role in the world it wouldn't have helped. I used to go to the directors of my films and say: 'I'm not an actor but I'll turn up on time and know my words.' In the 13 films I made I only ever did one take per scene. Directors never went for a second because they knew it'd be no different from the first. I never liked acting. Or my films. Maybe one, a cheap little Western called The Outcast. I liked that because I love horses. One of the troubles was I had a monotone voice which went even flatter when I tried to act. When I saw my first film Knock On Any Door in Italy I only liked it because my voice was dubbed by an Italian actor who had a lot of fire in his voice."

Derek appeared with his second wife, Ursula Andress, in Nightmare in the Sun (1965), which he co-produced. He turned to directing with a war film, Once Before I Die (1966), also with Andress.

He eventually quit acting. "In this town people think you must be nuts to do something like that. They can't believe you just didn't enjoy it."

He directed A Boy... a Girl (1969) with Dean Paul Martin, and Childish Things (1969) with his third wife, Linda Evans.

In 1973 he directed Bo Derek in Fantasies, which was not released until 1981. He made Love You (1979), a hardcore pornographic film which Bo produced. When the feature film 10 (1979) made Bo a star, Derek was able to find backing for Tarzan, the Ape Man (1981), which received mostly negative reviews; Roger Ebert called it "completely ridiculous" but added that it had a "certain disarming charm."

The Dereks intended to follow it with Eve and That Damned Apple; but when Universal delayed financing, they decided to make Bolero (1984) for Cannon, which was an unhappy experience for the Dereks. John's last film as director was Ghosts Can't Do It (1990).

An accomplished photographer, Derek photographed the last three of his four wives (at different times) for nude spreads in Playboy magazine.

Derek directed the music videos for Shania Twain's "Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under?" and "Any Man of Mine".

Personal life
Derek married Turkish-born prima ballerina Pati Behrs Eristoff in 1948. They had a son, Russell Andre (1950–1999), who became paralyzed from the chest down in a 1969 motorcycle accident, and a daughter, Sean Catherine (born 1953), who later wrote a memoir titled Cast of Characters (1982) about her parents' dysfunctional relationship. Derek abandoned his wife and family in late summer 1955 after meeting 19-year-old aspiring Swiss actress Ursula Andress, who spoke almost no English when they met. He and Behrs were divorced in 1956.

In 1957, Derek married Andress in a quick Las Vegas ceremony. Five years later, her role in the James Bond film Dr. No launched her career. Derek ejected Andress from his California home in 1964 over rumors that she had been seeing actor Ron Ely. Andress returned to Europe, engaging in public affairs with costars John Richardson and Marcello Mastroianni before officially leaving Derek for Jean-Paul Belmondo in 1965. The pair divorced in 1966.

In September 1965, Derek became involved with American actress Linda Evans, who at the time was starring in television's The Big Valley. Several years into their relationship, Evans reduced her appearances on the show to spend more time with Derek, and financed his alimony and child support payments to Behrs, as he had quit acting to pursue photography and directing. They eloped in Mexico in 1968, with his daughter Sean as a witness.

In 1973 Derek, Evans, and 16-year-old high school dropout Mary Cathleen Collins (who would later be known as Bo Derek) traveled to the Greek island of Mykonos to make the film And Once Upon a Time (unreleased until 1981, under the title Fantasies). During filming, Derek and Collins began an affair. Evans returned to the United States and filed for divorce in 1974, but Derek and Collins stayed in Europe until she turned 18 in November of that year so that Derek could avoid statutory rape charges.

Collins became known to the public as Bo Derek following their marriage on June 10, 1976, and achieved international fame in 1979 with her role in the Blake Edwards film 10. They remained together until John died in 1998.

Derek suffered a heart attack in 1986, but completely recovered.

Derek had one granddaughter, Alyce Derek (born 1969), from his son Russell's marriage to Lynette Berry. He became a great-grandfather in 1996.

Bo Derek wrote in her autobiography that "there was an ongoing contest between John Derek and George Hamilton as to who had the most [sun]tan!"

Death
John Derek died on May 22, 1998, of cardiovascular disease in Santa Maria, California at the age of 71. His remains were cremated.

As actor
Features:

 * Since You Went Away (1944) as Minor Role (uncredited)
 * I'll Be Seeing You (1944) as Lt. Bruce
 * A Double Life (1947) as Police Stenographer (uncredited)
 * Knock on Any Door (1949) as Nick Romano
 * All the King's Men (1949) as Tom Stark
 * Rogues of Sherwood Forest (1950) as Robin, Earl of Huntington
 * Mask of the Avenger (1951) as Capt. Renato Dimorna
 * Saturday's Hero (1951) as Steve Novak
 * The Family Secret (1951) as David Clark
 * Scandal Sheet (1952) as Steve McCleary
 * Rainbow 'Round My Shoulder (1952) as John Derek (uncredited)
 * Thunderbirds (1952) as Lt. Gil Hackett
 * Prince of Pirates (1953) as Prince Roland
 * Ambush at Tomahawk Gap (1953) as Kid
 * The Last Posse (1953) as Jed Clayton
 * Mission Over Korea (1953) as Lt. Pete Barker
 * Sea of Lost Ships (1953) as G.R. 'Grad' Matthews
 * The Outcast (1954) as Jet Cosgrave
 * The Adventures of Hajji Baba (1954) as Hajji Baba
 * Prince of Players (1955) as John Wilkes Booth
 * An Annapolis Story (1955) as Anthony J. 'Tony' Scott
 * Run for Cover (1955) as Davey Bishop
 * The Leather Saint (1956) as Father Gil Allen
 * The Ten Commandments (1956) as Joshua
 * Massacre at Sand Creek (1956) (TV)
 * Fury at Showdown (1957) as Brock Mitchell
 * The Flesh Is Weak (1957) as Tony Giani
 * Omar Khayyam (1957) as Young Prince Malik
 * High Hell (1958) as Craig Rhodes
 * Pirate of the Half Moon (1958) as Nadir El Krim/Paul de Vellenera
 * Prisoner of the Volga (1959) as Alexej Orloff
 * Exodus (1960) as Taha
 * Nightmare in the Sun (1965) as Hitchhiker
 * Once Before I Die (1966) as Bailey (final film role)

Short Subjects:
 * The Nest (1943) as Boy Friend
 * Screen Snapshots: Hollywood Awards (1951) as Himself
 * Screen Snapshots: Meet Mr. Rhythm, Frankie Laine (1952) as Himself
 * Screen Snapshots: Hollywood's Mr. Movies (1952) as Himself
 * Screen Snapshots: Hollywood Stars to Remember (1954) as Himself

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Morrie Schwartz

Morris S. Schwartz (December 20, 1916 – November 4, 1995) was an American professor of sociology at Brandeis University and an author. He was the subject of the best-selling book Tuesdays with Morrie, written by Mitch Albom, a former student of Schwartz. He was portrayed by Jack Lemmon in the 1999 television film adaptation of the book.

Personal life
Schwartz was the son of Charlie Schwartz, a Russian-Jewish immigrant who emigrated from Russia to escape the army. Schwartz's mother died when he was eight years old, and his brother David developed polio at a young age. His father would eventually marry a Romanian woman named Eva Schneiderman. Later in Schwartz's life, his father suffered from a fatal heart attack after fleeing a mugging. Schwartz came from a Jewish family, but as an adult he adopted multiple beliefs from a variety of different religions. He completed doctoral work at the University of Chicago.

Schwartz had two sons with his wife Charlotte, Rob and Jon.

Schwartz was a 77-year-old sociology professor at Brandeis University when he was diagnosed with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). He died in November 1995, a year and three months after being diagnosed with the disease.

Tuesdays with Morrie
Schwartz achieved national prominence posthumously after being featured as the subject of Mitch Albom's 1997 best-selling memoir, Tuesdays with Morrie. Albom had been a student of Schwartz's at Brandeis University, and years later had seen Schwartz on the television program Nightline. After Albom phoned Schwartz, he made a series of trips to visit him in the final weeks of Schwartz's life as he was gradually overtaken by ALS. The book recounts the fourteen visits Albom made, their conversations, Schwartz's lectures, and his life experiences.

The book was adapted into a television film in 1999, starring Jack Lemmon as Schwartz.

Works

 * with Alfred H. Stanton: The Mental Hospital: A Study of Institutional Participation in Psychiatric Illness and Treatment. Basic Books 1950, ISBN 978-1-59147-617-7 (2009 edition)
 * with Charlotte Green Schwartz: Social Approaches to Mental Patient Care. Columbia University Press 1964
 * with Emmy Lanning Shockley: The Nurse and the Mental Patient: a Study in Interpersonal Relations. Wiley 1966, ISBN 978-0-471-76610-0
 * Letting Go: Morrie's Reflections on Living While Dying. Walker & Company 1996, ISBN 978-0-8027-1315-5
 * Morrie: In His Own Words. Delta Publishing 1997, ISBN 0385318790

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Category:Brazilian poets

Brazilian poets, a category dedicated to mainly poets born or naturalized in Brazil.

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Canas

Canas or Cañas may refer to:

Places

 * Canas (Lycia), a town of ancient Lycia, now in Turkey
 * Amatlán de Cañas, a municipality in Nayarit, Mexico
 * Cañas Canton, in Guanacaste province, Costa Rica
 * Cañas, Costa Rica, capital of the Cañas canton
 * Cañas, La Rioja, in Spain
 * Canas, Peru, a province in the Cusco Region of Peru
 * Canas, São Paulo, a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil
 * Canas de Senhorim, a town in the municipality of Nelas, Portugal
 * Universidad Centroamericana "José Simeón Cañas", in El Salvador
 * Villar de Cañas, a municipality in Cuenca, Spain
 * Canas, Ponce, Puerto Rico, a barrio
 * Canas Urbano, a barrio of Ponce, Puerto Rico
 * Cañas, Los Santos, Panama
 * Cannes, a town in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France, known in Occitan as Canas

Fictional Characters

 * Canas, a Shaman in the video game Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade

Other uses

 * Canas (surname)

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Sail Away (Randy Newman album)

Sail Away is the third studio album by Randy Newman, released on May 23, 1972. It was produced by Lenny Waronker and Russ Titelman and issued on Reprise Records. While all of its songs were written and composed by Newman, several had already been recorded by other artists.

Composition
As with all of Newman's early albums, several of its songs had been previously recorded by other artists. In this case, "Simon Smith and the Amazing Dancing Bear" had been a UK hit for Alan Price in 1967 and was recorded by Harry Nilsson on his 1969 album Harry. "Dayton, Ohio - 1903" had been recorded by Billy J. Kramer as a single in 1969, while Newman and Nilsson recorded a version together for Nilsson's 1970 album Nilsson Sings Newman. Newman himself had also previously recorded "Last Night I Had a Dream" as a single, issued in September 1968. The version heard on Sail Away is a re-recording with a notably different arrangement.

"You Can Leave Your Hat On" was later recorded by Joe Cocker in 1986 and this version was featured on the soundtrack of the 1986 film 9½ Weeks starring Kim Basinger. A version by Tom Jones appeared on the soundtrack of the 1997 film The Full Monty.

"He Gives Us All His Love" was also initially written and recorded by Newman in a sparser and slower arrangement for the 1971 film Cold Turkey. The film issued no soundtrack album, and the first commercially available recordings of this song were issued by Sundance (March 1971) and Ed Ames (October 1971).

The song "Lonely at the Top" was written specifically with Frank Sinatra in mind, although he never recorded it. Newman himself had already released it (in a solo live performance) on his previous album, Randy Newman Live (1971).

Reissue
The album was reissued by Rhino Records on May 5, 2002, with several previously unreleased bonus tracks.

Legacy
In 2000 Sail Away was voted number 582 in Colin Larkin's All Time Top 1000 Albums. That same year, it was ranked number 268 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time. The album was also included in the book 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die.

Brian Wilson has said that this album profoundly affected him at the time of its release, briefly keeping him from sliding further into depression and mental illness. In particular, Wilson noted that he listened to Sail Away "over and over" while physically writing down the lyrics which would become the Beach Boys' Mount Vernon and Fairway fairy tale EP. In 2021, Wilson ranked Sail Away third on his list of "5 Albums I Can't Live Without" for Spin magazine.

"Burn On" is heard over the opening credits of the 1989 movie Major League. According to the film's director, David S. Ward, he chose the song because it was the only one he knew of that was about Cleveland, Ohio, which is where the movie takes place. The chorus of the song, "burn on, big river, burn on," refers to when the Cuyahoga River caught fire due to pollution in 1969.

The song "Old Man" can be heard in the closing credits of Noah Baumbach's 2017 film The Meyerowitz Stories.

Personnel

 * Randy Newman – piano, vocals
 * Ry Cooder – slide guitar on "Last Night I Had a Dream" and "You Can Leave Your Hat On"
 * Russ Titelman – guitar
 * Jim Keltner – drums
 * Gene Parsons – drums
 * Earl Palmer – drums
 * Chris Ethridge – bass guitar
 * Wilton Felder – bass guitar
 * Jimmy Bond – bass guitar
 * Milt Holland – percussion
 * Louis Kaufman – concertmaster
 * Abe Most – alto saxophone on "Lonely at the Top"

 * Technical

 * Lenny Waronker – co-producer
 * Russ Titelman – co-producer
 * Randy Newman – arranger
 * Emil Newman – conductor on "Sail Away" and "Burn On"
 * Larry Marks – conductor on "Old Man"
 * Lee Herschberg – engineer, mixing
 * Bruce Botnick – engineer
 * Bob Kovach – engineer
 * Donn Landee – engineer
 * Harold "Lanky" Linstrot – engineer
 * Judy Maizel – production assistant
 * Trudy Portch – production assistant
 * Mike Salisbury – graphics, photography

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Spheres for every campaign world?
This article says that there was a Spelljammer sphere for each of the other campaign worlds, but I was under the impression that Ravenloft was not supposed to be accessible through Spelljammer flight.

Also, is Spelljammer out of print? It seems to have been superceded by Planescape. — Gwalla | Talk 01:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You're correct, Ravenloft does not have a crystal sphere because its not a prime material plane. It's a collection of pocket realms. Yes Spelljammer is out of print but it wasn't really superseded by planescape (which is also out of print) because both were in print at the same time. They are just two alternative settings. Mloren (talk) 23:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Not superseded
Spelljammer describes outer SPACE. whereas planscape describes other DIMENSIONS.

 * Gwalla is quite right about spelljammers not being able to get to Ravenloft, because it exists in its own demiplane. I've corrected the article to make it clearer that the Spelljammer universe is specifically the Prime Material Plane. Having said that, I think it was stated somewhere that either Athas wasn't in the Spelljammer universe or its crystal sphere was hidden somehow, but I could be wrong. Daibhid C

I too have heard that Athasspace is cut off from the rest of the Prime somehow. However, it is most definately a regular Prime Material world in all other aspects. MasterGrazzt 21:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Page 13 of "The Complete Spacefarer's Handbook" says:

 * Athas. The World of the DARK SUN (tm) campaign is not on the spacelanes where Realmspace, Krynnspace, and Greyspace can be found. No spelljammer travels its skies; no ancient tome tells of the routes to its crystal sphere. Whether it is unreachable by spelljammer or merely so far from these worlds that any journey would take lifetimes is unknown.

 * The current inhabitants of Athas have no knowledge of spelljamming. There is no way to know whether the closely guarded library of some sorcerer-king conceals an ancient tome revealing the basic concepts of wildspace. Even if such a tome were found, the defiling power of such powerful magic would certainly wreak havoc on the fragile balance of life on Athas.

 * --Prosfilaes 23:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Ravenloft, Dark Sun and other settings and Spelljammer
Gwalla and Daibhid C are both incorrect about Ravenloft not being accessable via Spelljammer flight. Ravenloft can sometimes be accessed on a spelljamming ship, but it does depend on whether the ship is inside or outside a crystal sphere.

Crystal spheres are extremely large bubble like structures. The inside, containing planets (including campaign worlds where Ravenloft could already grab characters), suns and space (called wildspace within a sphere) can all be connected to Ravenloft. The outside, containing the phlogiston (the name for space outside a sphere), can not connect to any other planes, so ships outside a crystal sphere are safe from Ravenlofts influence.

I don't have the page, but The Complete Spacefarer's Handbook says something along the lines of: The mists of Ravenloft can reach anywhere including wildspace. A spelljamming ship that sails into these mists will be taken to the Ravenloft. However, ships can not escape Ravenloft by Spelljamming. I believe a captured ship that tries to sail out gets lost and comes back again.

As for Athasspace, although it is described as "not on the spacelanes", TSR do hint that there might be some way to get there. As well as the extract that Prosfilaes quoted, Athas is also mentioned in the Astromundi Cluster boxed set. Beyond the Moons (the official Spelljammer website) has a conversion of Dark Sun to Spelljammer called The Crimson Sphere by Adam "Night Druid" Miller (a major Spelljammer fan author).

Any other campaign setting could also be connected to the Spelljammer campaign setting. All a gamesmaster has to do is create a crysal sphere around its campaign world. This might have been done for more worlds if TSR had not discontinued Spelljammer.

Big Mac 05:12, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

List of Spelljammer novels
If there are less than a dozen of them, I think it's fine to merge List of Spelljammer novels to the main article. -- Perfecto 04:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Me too. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak ł blah } 04:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

My List of Spelljammer novels article, was made following the format of the List of Fogotten Realms novels. I figured that because the novels were books rather than role playing games, that it would be a separate thing people might look like. Will the categories make sense if the two things are merged? I'm not so sure. I intend to add more stuff to the Spelljammer article that relates specifically to the role playing game and has nothing to do with novels. Big Mac 05:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The answer is: It depends. In some cases you'll want a separate list, in other cases you don't.  In the specific case of The Forgotten Realms, they have a metric ton of books, and adding the entire list of all the novels ever set in the Forgotten Realms to Forgotten Realms would make an already large article even larger and more cumbersome.

 * The same doesn't apply to Spelljammer. It is (alas) a dead setting, with near-zero chance of ever receiving official support in the future.  There are six Spelljammer novels, and unless I win the Powerball lottery, it is very likely that there will only ever be six Spelljammer novels.  And since the Spelljammer article itself isn't overly large, it makes more sense from an organizational standpoint to have the novels listed in the main article.

 * If the Spelljammer article should ever get large enough that the list of novels is a cumbersome addition, the list can be split back off again without difficulty. But let's wait until that happens before making the move. → Ξxtreme Unction  {yak ł blah } 05:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

OK, I see. It kind of makes sense and I suppose it doesn't really matter where it is as long as people can find it. By the way, although Spelljammer may be dead as a role playing setting (at the moment), but Devil's Due have recently bought the rights to make new comic books about it from Wizards of the Coast. WotC also mention the "Sea of Night" in their new Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, so I think that they don't want to totally close the door on SJ.

Airships and magical ships
The description of spelljamming ships is currently inaccurate. I intend to carry on editing this article and will soon change this.

While I am doing this I am trying to keep descriptions of what Spelljammer is like (eg: "The Spelljammer setting is designed to allow some fantastic space adventures to take place within the traditional sword and sorcery milieu...") at the top of the article, but move descriptions of game mechanics (eg: 'Both alien space ("wildspace") and planets are inhabited by strange and dangerous creatures unknown to "groundlings."') down below the contents list to add it somewhere after the 'crystal spheres' section..

Articles should not turn into fan sites
I'm a bit concerned about the direction this article is going. User:David Shepheard has been doing a lot of fine work recently, for which he should be applauded. The Spelljammer article was in something of a state of disrepair before he started editing it, and he has leapt in with enthusiasm and dispatch. The article has improved profoundly in many ways since he started contributing to it.

However, the article is gradually moving away from being a brief, encyclopedic article about the Spelljammer setting, and is turning more into a collection of trivial minutae that is of no interest to anyone who is not already a fan of the setting.

Ideally, an article in Wikipedia should cover the important bits, without delving into too much trivial detail. The article should be meaty enough that people who have not encountered the subject of the article before can read the article and get a good overview of the subject, but not so filled with detail (especially trivial detail) that only enthusiasts of the subject would find it enjoyable or interesting to read.

Specifically to the Spelljammer article, the entirety of the "Spelljammer Speed" and "Spelljammer Shock" sections should probably be removed. These two sections contain the very definition of "information only interesting to a fan of the setting." Likewise, most of the information under "Spelljamming Helms" and the "Gravity" sections should be excised. I think there's some information in these two sections that's relevant to constructing an overview of Spelljammer, but stuff like the rate at which major/minor helms convert spells to SR is really of no interest to the casual reader.

I will have a go at moving the article back to a more encyclopedic style later this morning. → Ξxtreme Unction |yakkity yak 13:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for all your assistance and pointers (the help system at Wikipedia leaves a lot to be desired and I'd have struggled to get this done without your comments - I was fighting for ages to get the logos working).

 * I've been trying to walk the tightrope between not properly explaining Spelljammer (which is how it was before) and getting into game mechanics (which I was trying to avoid). I've been trying my best to keep an impartial voice in my writing, but Spelljammer can be quite complecated so if I've gone over the line, I'd be glad for the help to get back on track. If you can get rid of the game mechanics without loosing the overview of how they work then that would be good.

 * Maybe some of these terms could be 'cut down' rather than 'removed entirely'. I was looking up other things, in order to get an idea of what style to use, and saw some very small definitions (some of which were not even stubbs).

 * Gravity in Spelljammer is definately something that people get wrong about the game. (The previous text suggested ships generate gravity magically, which just is not true.) Spelljammers pseudogravity is one of the things that allows open decked ships with catapults and is a fundemental part of its appeal, so it needs to be there in some form.

 * In the spelljammer speed section, I was trying to convey that these ships zip along at great speed, but also sometimes travel slowly. Maybe you could cut it down to that sort of length rather than getting rid of it.

 * I agree that the amount of SR is not important and was trying to find a way around that, so if you can say "this helm is quicker than that one" then go for it.

 * I'm pretty much done playing with this artical now, Mr Unction. The next think I'll play with is the 'List of Spelljammer crystal spheres' (which I renamed from the incorrect 'List of Spelljammer solar systems') I searched as hard as I could for pages linking to the old name (I'd be grateful if you could double check I didn't miss one as the help system didn't really tell me the best way to trace links back from the destination to the source. I think Wikipedia could do with having some tutorials as I've learned more from a couple of your posts than I have from reading much more help.)

 * The only problem with that page is that if it is taken to its logical conclusion, it will be very big. The Astromundi Cluster sphere has as many planetary bodies as everything else in SJ added together (I counted them once and got 39 bodies - not including moons and individual asterods). Perhaps each crystal sphere should have its own page (with Krynnspace pointing to Spelljammer, Dragonlance, Ansalon and Talidas and Realmspace pointing to Spelljammer, Fogotten Realms, Faerun, Kara-Tur, Maztica, The Hoard and Al-Quadim.) Then the List of crystal spheres could literally be a list of sphere names with links to their pages.

 * By the way this page needs a link to the List of Spelljammer crystal spheres. Any idea on where to put it?

 * Anyway, I'll leave you to your editing. I'm just glad to have given you something that could be edited into an artical of similar quality as the Planescape one.

Along similar lines I thought that at least some mention should be made of the issue of economy in the setting as the original prices for helms were potentially game breaking and eliminated the possibility of any kind of simple merchant or trade ships. This was fixed in the HackMaster book. So I thought that should be mentioned and added it to the end of the bit on Helms. Though if it would be better suited for a Criticisms section I don't know. Thenightgaunt (talk) 16:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Gravity in Spelljammer
I may be straining my braincells a bit much but I thought that while the concept of gravity remained almost identical to the real world (ie all bodies of mass create gravity but the degree of the force was enough to retain oxygen against the surface), that the gravity generated by the Spelljamming Helm was different.

It wasn't a case of gravity automatically aligning itself so that it is what beings consider "sensible", but the helm itself aligned gravity along whatever plans the ship itself required. More often than not this was a "plane" of gravity where you could either stand on the top surface of the ship as per normal, or if you "fell" overboard you would fall below the plane, only to be pulled by gravity going the other way. Thus oscilating between the two until you finally came to rest in the middle of that plane.

Will have to go back and read the materials again but I am sure the helm is what set gravitational pull... some ships choosing to keep standard gravity, others making it a plane. Enigmatical 00:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

In standard Spelljammer, gravity was simply a product of being an object in wildspace - even a person had gravity, which is what let people (and objects) drag an air envelope with them. -- drnuncheon, dredging up an old topic at 17 Sep 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.155.201 (talk) 11:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge monsters
The following articles were recently proposed for deletion: Bionoid, Gammaroid, and Fal (Spelljammer). This got me thinking; we have quite a few articles about Spelljammer monsters, but none of them really hold up notability on their own (other examples include the older revisions of Giant Space Hamster and Stellar dragon). I propose that they all be merged together into Spelljammer monsters. Opinions? -Drilnoth (talk) 13:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, captain! Neogi seems fine on its own for now. BOZ (talk) 18:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why Neogi? It has no more claim to notability as-is than the other ones. -Drilnoth (talk) 18:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's true. They are probably the best-known, most-used creature to have come out of Spelljammer, but then I guess they could just add that strength to a merger article. Give me until Monday at least, and if I forget then remind me. BOZ (talk) 19:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Giff can go with and would accomplish the same as neogi, and sleek and witchlight marauder I'd put on an equal level as the three that had PRODs. Dralasite I am unconvinced that it ever appeared in a D&D product. As for beholder, illithid, and umber hulk, a note should suffice on how they were used in the setting, with a see link. Tomorrow, I'll make up pub histories for neogi and giff; the rest probably didn't appear outside of one or maybe two or three supplements at most. BOZ (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'll put the merger on my to-do list, also. -Drilnoth (talk) 20:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, done! BOZ (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I'll merge the remaining monsters when I have the time. -Drilnoth (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (2nd edition)
Off the top of my head, this section in the Publication History looks to have errors, in particular this paragraph.

"A series of five connected adventures was released in the modules Wildspace (ISBN 0-88038-819-6), Skull & Crossbows (ISBN 0-88038-845-5), Crystal Spheres (ISBN 0-88038-878-1), Under the Dark Fist (ISBN 1-56076-131-8) and Goblins' Return (ISBN 1-56076-149-0). Also published was a longer campaign, Heart of the Enemy (ISBN 1-56076-342-6) and Space Lairs (ISBN 1-56076-609-3) contained short standalone adventures."

As far as I can remember, the only connection Wildspace, Skull & Crossbones, Crystal Spheres, Under the Dark Fist and Goblin's Return was that they were set in the Spelljammer setting, so really don't qualify as being five connected adventures as it describes. Goblin's Return was actually connected to Heart of the Enemy, which made a two part campaign. --Egdcltd (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If no source was provided, feel free to correct it! 2601:240:C703:5340:7816:A646:476D:72E5 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Ladon (river)

The Ladon (Ancient Greek and Katharevousa: Λάδων, Ládōn; Demotic Greek: Λάδωνας, Ládōnas) is a river in the Peloponnese peninsula of Greece. It features in Greek mythology. It is a tributary to the river Alfeios, which empties into the Ionian Sea. It is 70 km long.

Course
The Ladon rises on the western slope of the Aroania mountain, near the village Kastriá, Kleitoria municipal unit, Achaea. It flows south, receives its left tributary Aroanios, flows along Kleitoria and turns southwest near the Arcadian border. It flows through the artificial Ladon Lake, and turns south again near Dimitra. It flows into the Alfeios 3 km southeast of the village Tripotamia. It joins the Tragus near Zevgolatio.

Mythology
The river was among those mentioned by Hesiod in Theogony; they were "all sons of Oceanus and queenly Tethys" for, according to the image of world hydrography common to the ancients, the fresh water that welled up in springs came from the underworld caverns and pools, and was connected with the salt sea. Rain fertilized crops, but the sense that its runoff filled the rivers did not figure in the Greek mythic picture.

Rivers were personified and credited with wooing nymphs and human maidens and fathering children. Ladon's daughter, the nymph Metope was wed to the river Asopus.

Rivers have cleansing effects in Greek mythology. When Poseidon assaulted Demeter, she washed away the insult in the waters of the River Ladon. Apparently this was the source of the Arcadian expression that to "giv[e] way to anger is to be furious."

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Talk:Georgian Poetry

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"The idea for an anthology began as a joke, when Marsh, Duncan Grant and George Mallory decided, one evening in 1912 to publish a parody of the many small poetry books that were appearing at the time. After some discussion it was decided to pursue the idea in all seriousness. Marsh and Brooke approached the poet and bookseller Harold Monro who had recently opened The Poetry Bookshop at Devonshire Street, London. He agreed to publish the book in return for a half share of the profits."

is, Robert Graves, life on the edge by Miranda Seymour (Doubleday, 1995) --Monk Bretton 01:50, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pellow
Quite hard to get good information on J. D. C. Pellow. He was a civil servant after WWI, that much I know; and a good friend of Charles Williams. Apart from Parentalia in the early 1920s he didn't publish a great deal, it seems. Charles Matthews 16:35, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Possibly
Pellow seems to have been of a religious frame of mind, judging from some of the later poetry. He appears to have given a talk, "The Nature of The Church" to the Methodist Sacramental Fellowship Conference in 1938. The BL has a copy 4378.ee.51. And he appeared in Norman Nicholson's Pelican "Religious Verse" of 1942. When I have seen a copy I will let you know more (Pelicans usually gave a bit of biography) DJ 17:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

More
Pellow is certainly a curiosity! There are no biographical notes in Nicholson, so that appears a dead end. Pellow shared a volume of collected poems with George Every and S.L. Bethell in 1946. The notes in there tell us that some of the verse by Pellow was published in "Sobornost".

This turns out to be two "Psalms" which appeared in 1938.

"Sobornost" was the "Journal of the Fellowship of Saint Alban and Saint Sergius" a Russian Orthodox Church organisation in London (It is still going, but now based in Oxford!).

George Every was also a contributor to Sobornost, as was Edward Every, presumably of the same family..... Frustratingly, the "Collected Poems" were not reviewed by Sobornost. However, another contributor was John Heath-Stubbs.

The "Collected Poems" contains at least one real gem(to my mind) by Pellow; "Leviathan At Blackpool" written, he says, in Spring 1940.

DJ 17:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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Intriguingly Pellow appears in JC Squire's 1932 "Younger Poets of To-Day". His contribution; "English Elegies III" is quite a long one, but has quite a lot of energy......and exhibits a familiarity with Donne, Webster, "[William?] Browne and Taylor [The Water Poet?]". DJ (talk) 05:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

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Pellow's contribution to 'The Georgian Poets" was mocked by Sassoon who in suggesting it might be 'a tree-anthology' said of Pellow "I suspect him of being a beech-lover" Sassoon; A Poets's Experiment In Candid Criticism' New York Times Books, Feb 29, 1920. p.2.DJ (talk) 05:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Rating
This article was rated b-class, but I've re-rated it start-class. It does not meet the b-class standards as per Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment guidelines. The article has no references. It includes only a small ammount of unreferenced content, and the body is a series of text lists of authors in the anthology. C-class also requires references. INeverCry  08:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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Good Old Boys (Randy Newman album)

Good Old Boys is the fourth studio album by American musician Randy Newman, released on September 10, 1974 on Reprise Records, catalogue number 2193. It was Newman's first album to obtain major commercial success, peaking at number 36 on the Billboard 200 and number 58 in Canada. The premiere live performance of the album took place on October 5, 1974, at the Symphony Hall in Atlanta, Georgia, with guest Ry Cooder and Newman conducting the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra.

Genesis
Good Old Boys was initially envisioned as a concept album about a character named Johnny Cutler, an everyman of the Deep South. Newman made a demo of these songs on February 1, 1973: they were released as the bonus disc for the 2002 reissue, titled Johnny Cutler's Birthday.

The kernel of this concept survived into the released album, although as Newman's take on viewpoints from the inhabitants of the Deep South in general, rather than from a single individual character. As on his previous release, Newman addressed generally taboo topics such as slavery and racism, most stringently on the opening song "Rednecks", a simultaneous satire on institutional racism in the Deep South and the hypocrisy of the northern states in response.

Newman also incorporates actual historical events into the album, remarking upon the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 on "Louisiana 1927". Preceding an original song ("Kingfish") recounting achievements and slogans of Louisiana politician Huey "The Kingfish" Long, Newman performs with members of the Eagles on a song written by Long himself, "Every Man a King".

As with all of Newman's early albums, some material Newman wrote had been previously recorded by other artists. In this case, "Guilty" had been initially recorded and released by Bonnie Raitt on her 1973 album Takin' My Time.

A lengthy analysis of Good Old Boys, including a detailed description of the Dick Cavett Show broadcast that inspired "Rednecks", is included in Steven Hart's essay "He May Be a Fool But He's Our Fool: Lester Maddox, Randy Newman, and the American Culture Wars", included in the collection Let the Devil Speak: Articles, Essays, and Incitements.

In 2014, Turntable Publishing released the ebook Song of the South: Randy Newman's Good Old Boys, by David Kastin, a full-length critical study of the album's sources, evolution, and reception. In the Sixth Edition of his classic Mystery Train, Greil Marcus cited Kastin's book as an "effectively-illustrated...excavation of the entire severed corpus of the work and a deep dive into the history—musical, social economic, sectional, and water-born—Newman both drew from and recast."

Singles
On the same day as the album, the track "Guilty" was released as Reprise single 1324, with "Naked Man" on the B-side, and on January 29, 1975, the track "Louisiana 1927" was released as Reprise single 1387, with "Marie" on the flip. Neither single appeared on the Billboard Hot 100.

Reception
Robert Christgau gave the album an A rating upon release, and in retrospective reviews both the 1992 edition of the Rolling Stone Album Guide and AllMusic gave it a five-star rating. In 2012, the album was ranked number 394 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time. In 2000 it was voted number 902 in Colin Larkin's All Time Top 1000 Albums. It spent two weeks in the top 40 of the Billboard 200 in late 1974, with an overall 21-week tenure. It also earned a gold record in the Netherlands.

On May 21, 2002, an expanded edition of the album was issued by Rhino Records on compact disc, including a bonus track demo of "Marie" and a second disc containing the February, 1973 demos entitled Johnny Cutler's Birthday. Included in these demo recordings are Newman's verbal descriptions of sound effects and other characters, the songs as a whole describing a narrative in the vein of integrated musicals dating from the 1940s. "Doctor, Doctor" is an early version of "Back on My Feet Again". The song "Marie" was used in the family film Paulie in 1998.

All tracks were written and arranged by Randy Newman (with the exception of "Every Man a King"); strings arranged by Nick DeCaro on "Marie" and "Rollin'"; Moog and ARP synthesizers programmed by Malcolm Cecil and Robert Margouleff.

2002 Reissue
Disc one: Good Old Boys
 * 1) "Rednecks"
 * 2) "Birmingham"
 * 3) "Marie"
 * 4) "Mr. President (Have Pity on the Working Man)"
 * 5) "Guilty"
 * 6) "Louisiana 1927"
 * 7) "Every Man a King"
 * 8) "Kingfish"
 * 9) "Naked Man"
 * 10) "A Wedding in Cherokee County"
 * 11) "Back on My Feet Again"
 * 12) "Rollin'"
 * 13) "Marie" (demo, bonus track)

Disc two: Johnny Cutler's Birthday
 * 1) "Rednecks"
 * 2) "If We Didn't Have Jesus"
 * 3) "Birmingham"
 * 4) "The Joke"
 * 5) "Louisiana"
 * 6) "My Daddy Knew Dixie Howell"
 * 7) "Shining"
 * 8) "Marie"
 * 9) "Good Morning"
 * 10) "Birmingham Redux"
 * 11) "Doctor, Doctor"
 * 12) "Albanian Anthem"
 * 13) "Rolling"

Personnel

 * Randy Newman – arranger, conductor, piano, Fender Rhodes, ARP, synthesizer, vocals
 * Ry Cooder – guitar on "Back on My Feet Again"
 * John Platania – electric guitar
 * Ron Elliott, Dennis Budimir – acoustic guitar
 * Al Perkins – pedal steel guitar
 * Russ Titelman, Willie Weeks, Red Callender – bass guitar
 * Jim Keltner, Andy Newmark – drums
 * Bobbye Hall – percussion
 * Milt Holland – drums, percussion
 * Glenn Frey – backing vocals
 * Don Henley – backing vocals
 * Bernie Leadon – backing vocals
 * Nick DeCaro - accordion, string arrangements, conductor on "Marie" and "Rollin'"
 * Malcolm Cecil, Robert Margouleff - ARP, synthesizer, programming
 * Technical
 * Judy Maizel, Trudy Portch - production coordination
 * Lee Herschberg - engineer, mixing
 * Donn Landee - additional engineer, mixing
 * Mike Salisbury - cover design, photography
 * Shepard Sherbell - liner photography

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DOOM/DUNE

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:29, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

DOOM/DUNE
It seems to me that this article is nothing but pure speculation on the part of the author. I don't know much about the Doom or Dune video game franchises but the tone indicates that this is just rampant speculation. For years fans of college hockey have speculated on the future creation of a college hockey video game, that doesn't warrant the creation of an article. -- RPIRED 01:52, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Probably should get into Bad Jokes &c, because it's pretty funny. The article's also factually inaccurate: DOOM took place on Phobos, not an extrasolar planet. LizardWizard 01:55, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, speedily if possible. This is nothing more than pure speculation.  Can't even call it "original research" since what few facts in this are wrong. - Lucky 6.9 02:01, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, mere speculation, nothing factual. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:09, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:33, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The line "There is no such game yet, but there might be someday" clearly admits that it's only speculation. (Zzyzx11 02:47, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC))
 * Delete. Fredrik | talk 05:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Come back when there is substance. Inter 09:51, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, games are entirely unrelated, and so are the companies that hold their copyright. 212.206.63.108 10:55, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC) talk
 * Delete as utter nonsense. One is a first-person shooter, while the other is a role-playing game adaptation of a literary work. It's like someone suggesting a game combining Grand Theft Auto and A Midsummer Night's Dream. 23skidoo 17:08, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer a combination of WWE and Pride & Prejudice: that way you could have a character named Stone Cold Jane Austen. Oh, and delete. --Calton 09:40, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Bless the Maker and His water; bless the coming and going of Him. May His passage cleanse the wiki. Iralith 19:24, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Still, the game could actually be rather run if made properly. Carrp | Talk 19:28, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete : talk about cross fertilization. To the Author - make the game, sell it, then come back and write a NPOV piece about it.  Good luck. Courtland 03:21, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)
 * Delete The article actually says There is no such game yet, but there might be someday. Its rationale for the argument is The names sound similar and both stories have alot in common.  This is a load of bullcrap and needs to get destroyed.  Now.  -- Cabhan 05:23, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Totally crazy nonsense. TomTheHand 18:37, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

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Edited biography and awards sections into timelines, but the article as a whole still needs cleanup and wikifying Lokicarbis 01:55, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Is this article about a person or a product line?
George Davies is referred to as both a He and an It. Which does this article refer to?

Tone of article
The start of this article reads more like an advertising feature in a fashion magazine than something in an encyclopaedia.

Contradiction?
This article seems to contradict the Next (retailer) article regarding the foundation of Next?!?! Can someone explain?

 * According to next's corporate website the account in Next (retailer) is correct. From George Davies (retailer) it sounds like George was the designer for next while J Hepworth & Son was the entrepreneur, so I'll see if I can find something to back that up and clarify the article. --- Richard CHSTalk 15:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Yep, it was a joint venture. Terence Conran owned Hepworth, and hired Davies to run the new chain. --- Richard CHSTalk 15:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Also remember that Davies was ousted from Next in a boardroom coup, so they're not going to want to overplay Davies' role. User:lawsonrob

 * Reads better now --TFoxton 18:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
This needs a rewrite. Its too long through inclusion of non-enecyclopedic text, making it resultantly largely unreferenced, with those references that are included not formatted correctly. Some of the references used also go to paysites, which doesn't comply with WP:REF. Anyone fancy joining in can do so here. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 00:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

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Neiwan line

The Neiwan line is a railway branch line in Taiwan operated by the Taiwan Railways Administration. It is located in Hsinchu County.

History
The Neiwan line was completed on 11 September 1951. It became a popular tourist site in the early 2000s. A through-service between Neiwan and Taipei on Saturdays and Sundays started in 2004.

The section between Hsinchu and Zhudong was temporarily closed from 28 February 2007 in order to facilitate the construction of an electrified, dual-track, grade-separated route from Hsinchu through Zhuzhong and, via a new sub-branch line (the Liujia Line), to the newly opened Hsinchu HSR station. Concurrently, three infill stations were added between Hsinchu and Zhuzhong. The upgraded section was reopened on 11 November 2011.

The section past Zhuzhong remains single-track and unelectrified.

Liujia branch
The Liujia Line, which connects TRA Hsinchu Station and THSR Hsinchu Station, branches off from the Neiwan Line at Zhuzhong Station.

Operations
The Neiwan Line is principally serviced by Local Trains (區間車).

On some special occasions, diesel-powered versions of the Tzu-Chiang Limited Express (自強號) have been used on the route.

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