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Question About Animated Character's Biography
Okay, I've been noticing that someone keeps reediting a paragraph in the fictional character biography section about Raven's "romances" to say she has a close bond with Robin. Doesn't that count as posting shipper material? Especially considering the paragraph it's in and the way the sentance is worded? Also, shouldn't the notation about Raven's strange mental connection thing with Robin be under Powers and Abilities rather than fictional character biography? If someone can get back to me on that, I'd be very grateful. 71.96.41.209 01:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you to whoever reworded the article and fixed the problem with Raven's romances. It sounds much less shipper suggestive now. Can we please keep it that way? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.11.62 (talk) 04:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I prefer BBRAE more Nomsese (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Merging the Articles
I don't know why the article was split, and I'm really annoyed that it was without discussion. There's way too much overlap between the two versions of Raven to warrant two articles. I'd remerge the articles myself if I knew how.D1Puck1T 17:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Just copy/paste the content back and make the new page that was created a redirect back to the section. I definatly agree; there's a lot that can be edited out of the 'animated version' section to make it fit here. It does NOT warrant its own page. --InShaneee 15:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I restored the animated section in the article and deleted that "relationship" header. Now, it's time to organize this. I will try to start with that mess about Raven's colors. --Neigel von Teighen 23:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to (perhaps) have a character profile thing for the Raven of the TV series as well as for the "original" Raven.  Also, it would be nice to make the "article" on the animated Raven rely less on the original one - as many of the younger readers are going to be familiar only with the TV series. --Tim4christ17 20:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I personally think the characters are different enough to warrant separate articles. If anyone wants me to, I'll help move the animated Raven out and make Raven (television) (only in architectural design, I'm not a fan of the TV show). --User:TalonTheater

 * I'm with Talon. Things that go for the animated Raven does not go for the Comics Raven. Their characters are wholly different in terms of personality, powers and costume. This article seems cluttered and splitting them would make it less so... Takuyar 09:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * This has been discussed on several of the Teen Titans pages on several occasions, and the results have always been that they need to remain together. --InShaneee 13:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It just seems really cluttered adding the animated Raven, especially when you keep in mind that the animated Raven just has alot of fans randomly coming on to add info.. And most of the readers who stumble upon this article are probably looking for information on the animated series' Raven, not the comic Raven. Takuyar 15:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I think that's where we need to start; by paring down and patrolling that section. --InShaneee 20:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree that with the person who agree with Talon. I think we should separate animated, comic, and real-life raven — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariocartlover (talk • contribs) 17:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Tags
I think that there are a number of obvious factual errors and inconsistencies in the article so I decided to double the tags so that someone will see it and fix it before it gets ANY worse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.123.91 (talk • contribs) 21:14 July 13, 2006
 * Please never do that again. It didn't do anything except make the article look worse. --Chris Griswold 08:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

That was me
Fine, but this article is very, very poorly-researched and written. I can't go for more than a sentence without running into an inconsistency or a "fact" that is little more than hypothesizing and conjecture.

For example, look at this line:

In season three's episode "Spellbound", Raven dons her white attire as a result of her being attracted to the wizard Malchior.

This line implies that the sole reason for her white robes was that she was attracted to Malchior, when the episode itself strongly stipulates that she wears whites whenever she is in a particularly positive and happy mood. I find that this statement, along with all the others surrounding it, is very very inarticulate and clumsy. Personally, if this is the kind of sloppy, incompetent work that is put into Teen Titans articles then maybe tehy shouldn't be wrtten at all. I mean, what kind of garbage is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smith Jones (talk • contribs) 20:19 July 16, 2006

 * Maybe you should put your energy into improving the article rather than insulting the people who have worked on it. CovenantD 00:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Seriously, dude. You seem really into this, so fix it. Also, please sign your comments. --Chris Griswold 01:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I might try to clean that up, along with all the articles on the animated Raven. I agree it's sloppy there but we should try to edit it if we can post on the talk page. Takuyar 14:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

When Raven gets powerful in the t.v show, she has a white costume. Malichor gives her a power up-if you will- and thats why she has white.Legolad3451 17:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Legolad3451

Powers Section
I've put in a list of the powers that where used either once or rarely. For reference: teleportaion (Go!), time manipulation (Birthmark), precognition (forgot the episode), rapid healing (Beast Within), magic spells (duh), creation of monsters (Fear Itself).

To CovenantD: If you want to revert my edit you MUST tell my why! I`m putting it back in.

To CovenantD: You've reverted it TWICE! Both times without telling me why. That is a violation of Wkipedia policy.

 * Now that it doesn't read like a 5 year old wrote it from memory... CovenantD 04:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * HUH?!! It's exactly the same as when I first created it!!!

I've heard from many sources that in the animated series Raven is seen several times to phase through solid objects. Could someone please tell me an episode in which she does this so I can include it in the "Other Powers" scetion? 200.31.197.194 21:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

This section is an eyesore. It takes up half the Contents box, making it harder to navigate the article. I do think most of what's there is notable, but does every individual power need its own section? Is there no way to organize it better?D1Puck1T 07:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Didn't she also perform Telepathy (in the animated series) when she entered Robin's mind in Haunted? DCincarnate

 * I would rather think of demonic possesion in that case (remeber where does Raven come from), but maybe also Telepathy. --Neigel von Teighen 13:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the soul-self power should be linked to the Etheric_body wiki page, as that page is more explanatory Arqueware (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

OR?
In the Mantra (Animated) section there is are a couple paragraphs beginning one theory holds that sounds like WP:OR or speculation. Do people feel tehre is enough support to keep it in the article? RJFJR 20:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmph. Not really. There seems to be a lot of that, though, in relation to the animated version. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Speeking of her mantra someone states that metrion means state of mind or calm,relaxe but if so then what language is it

It isn't really a language, just something made up by writer/creators of the animated series. Should the article be edited to reflect the theories as Fan Theories to show that it's speculation? --Takuyar 15:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Time
Raven latest mini series seid to start in september but is that this year or the next, we need to put that in there so people arent making idots of them selfs

TNTT, Wolfman's Run
This article needs to contain more information on Marv Wolfman's run of The New Teen Titans, as that's where she was created and used best/most often. I'm working on that at the moment. - Talon

Umbrakinesis?
What in the world is Umbrakinesis?--Dil 23:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Control over shadows. --InShaneee 23:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Umbrakinesis power tag be removed? Raven's powers are classified as Teleportation and Telekineses. The shadow/darkness aura in the animated is most possibly just an aura and coloured representation of her moving the objects, just like Jean Grey in X-Men: Evolution, not a power of hers. And from articles I've seen on umbrakinesis, it's more of a psuedo fictional power than real. Takuyar 14:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Talon's update log
I'm going to be working on this article over the course of the next week or so, so I'm going to add here any changes/additions I make. Feel free to reword or correct my edits if I'm wrong.

- Added Flight to abilities list.

- Added Limited Precognition to abilities list.

- Added this paragraph to Character History:

 * Raven's chronology is typically separated into three lives; her first life, 20 years, was spent in the Temple Azarath and creating The New Teen Titans. Her second life began once she started wearing the garb of White Raven, and lasted under two years. Her third life, which started in issue #3 of The Teen Titans III, is her current form; unlike the transition between her first and second lives, with her third life came a new body, that of a 18-year old.

- One thing I want to get across is that Raven is not a moody character due to her personality, but simply because her heritage demands that she remain emotionally stable. She herself is not dark, but her origins are. Going to change that first sentence now.
 * Original sentence: "A dark, moody character, Raven is the half-breed daughter of a human mother named Arella and the demon Trigon."
 * Updated sentence: "A character with morbid past and origins, Raven is the half-breed daughter of a human mother named Arella and the interdimensional demon Trigon."

- Added Give Emotion to abilities list.
 * Changed it to Force Emotion because if she is utililizing this ability, the reciever doesn't have a choice but to feel what she wants them to feel.

- I think the main page picture should be one representing Raven in her most well-known outfit, as opposed to the current one. This sketch by Mike McKone was on the issue #8 cover, so it is legal to add here (and is on many web sites legally); and while George Perez's and Mckune's designs have subtle differences, Mckune's sketch should be used simply because it was done in the modern age of comics, with more precise detail in the artwork:

Image:RavenTitans08.jpg

- Added this image to "Infinite Crisis and 'One Year Later.'":

- Added spacers in the Character History article to represent and separate her three lives.

- Changed SuperheroBox to include "flight."

- Added this to "Infinite Crisis and 'One Year Later:'"

 * It will take place during the missing year.

 * Raven has also appeared as a minor character in "52" issues #1 (art only) and #21 (art and dialogue).

- Edited the SuperheroBox to comment that Arella is not deceased, but merged with the Souls of Azarath (and Danny Chase) to make the current Phantasm (who is in comic limbo at the moment, but apparently is in "New Azarath," a la hints from TTT #35-39).

- Added this image to the Powers section:

Image:RavensPowersTNTT07.jpg

- Added this image to Raven's First Life:

Image:EvilRavenToT.jpg

- Added "Absent during Crisis on Infinite Earths":

 * Between the periods that we know to be Raven's first and second lives, Raven's whereabouts were unknown even to The Monitor, a character who has knowledge of all beings in all parallel dimensions that contain Earth. This suggests that during this period, Raven transcended Earth for a non-parallel dimension. Raven was briefly mentioned in one frame (Issue #2, page 22), suggested as an alterative to Psycho Pirate as an empath in the Monitor's plans. She was also mentioned as an alternative for the Anti-Monitor in Issue #5, page 2).

- Added the "interviews" section with these three:

 * MacDONALD: Raven's powers are very vague.

 * WOLFMAN: Not to me. She's the empath who can cure some illnesses, some problems. She can't cure death, or any major disease. She failed when trying to cure the Russian Starfire's girl friend. If it's small pains or hurts at least she can cure them, but it affects her. She can move through dimensions, which is the effect of teleportation

 * MacDONALD: How far can she go with that?

 * WOLFMAN: I would say about 100 miles. That's about it. We really haven't played with it or have her go more than 10 miles at any given point. But I'd say 100 is about the most. But it's not really teleportation, I was trying to get away from that. If Raven comes from an inter-dimensional place, I wanted to play on her origin. What else can she do? Her soul-self, that's the part of her that's Trigon, her father, the evil part of her, and that's also the part that's the aggressor, the one that actually stops all the villains. She's not able herself to fight. But the soul self does most of that for her, because it has all her aggressive tendencies.

 * MacDONALD And just what happens to those people when they get inside there?

 * WOLFMAN: Usually they are either sent away, teleported away, or they fall down and faint, or she learns something from them.

 * MacDONALD: lt's nor very nice in there is it?

 * WOLFMAN: No. It's awful (laughter]. In fact, in issue #29,1 believe, because of what happens to the Brotherhood of Evil, the character Phobia who sets up her greatest fear - she sees Kid Flash as her father and the soul self goes after Kid Flash and virtually kills him. Raven's not very happy about that.

 * The Art of Raven (George Perez)

 * "Raven is very angular, very high cheekbones, very straight-nosed, with an upper lip slightly larger than her lower lip, and, of course, an incredibly large forehead. "

 * "Raven has developed, recently, a dancer's body in which her breasts have gotten smaller. I gave Raven a body based on a young lady, Fran McGregor, who's built with a very attractive dancer's body. She goes to the same school as my wife, Carol."

 * Developing Raven (George Perez)

 * "I'd like so deal with she religious aspects of her. She was a high priestess, so she has a certain feeling toward religion. She probably even disagrees with a lot of it. I guess after doing Wonder Woman for so long, religion is something I've come to understand more. I was dealing with somebody who I had to infuse with a religious belief based on some things I did not know about. I've never been a Pagan."

 * "I'd like so deal more with Raven's mother. What was her mother's real name? I figure it's not Arella, as that was the name she took. Does Raven have any other relatives? Where is her mother now? One thing we'd like so deal with in the Titans-and Raven is a part of it as is Joey, although most of the others have shown is already-is sex. To her, sex is rape. She grew up with that, constantly reminded her entire life that she was a child of a rape. A thing like that can scar someone. I'd like so work a little more on investigating her rationale. It's not unusual. There have been lots of children who have had to go through that, but in this case we have Raven, who was not only the child of a rape, but was the daughter of a demon who tried to destroy everybody and corrupted her!"

 * "Now that she doesn't have that influence, maybe she'd like to have a relationship, but it will always stop when sex becomes involved. It's something she cannot handle. Realize that a woman like that, to give up her virginity, is would have to be someone she could trust so implicitly that that memory of a rape could be eradicated, or at least ignored. Bus having seen so many other people, including Titans, go through relationships that were more frivolous or hurt when the break-up occurred, it's not going so be easy for Raven to open up so someone that way."

 * "Things like that, and other investigations into Raven's personality, will be fascinating. Having done so many female characters from Wonder Woman and the Titans, that type of delving into the female psyche I find fascinating, particularly when there are certain things that no man can really identify with. Even if a man was the child of a rape, he would not have so worry about himself being caught pregnant, even if he were raped. Raven's is a totally different point of view, and I look forward to delving into that."

 * "If more men would try to understand that, that would be the only way to truly understand why a woman would take such pride in the things that make her unique. It would explain what happens when we as a male species corrupt that, violate that. It's like someone coming in and cutting off our penises. We don't know what we've lost until we've lost it. Virginity is something that a woman either treasures or abandons as quickly as she wants to, but it should always be her choice to do so. When a man takes away that choice I can imagine that it is an incredible violation of one of the things that makes women feel unique."

 * Raven Mini-Series

 * NEWSARAMA: Now you are working on a Raven mini-series, what it the story about?

 * Marv Wolfman: Emotionally, it's about a young girl who has found herself reborn in a new body and is trying to figure out her place in life. Story wise it picks up on the bit in the recent Titans Annual that I came up with that shows Raven getting an unexplained influx of emotions and what they do to her. It also asks where they come from and how it will affect her and everyone else in San Francisco. It deals with her new life in school and establishes the new parameters for her character. And it takes an old DC villain and completely changes him.

 * NRAMA: Is Raven still one of your favorite characters?

 * MW: She always has been. Still is.

 * NRAMA: What is it about Raven that strikes a chord with you?

 * MW: More than any of the other Titans, her rich and detailed origin allows me to get into a very complex character. There are lots of levels to her that make her fascinating to explore. I wish, I could replicate that with new characters, but some characters seem to be created just right and there's no knowing why, or duplicating it. I see endless possibilities with Raven that don't always exist in other characters, even ones I've created. Her stories flow from her origins and character rather than just having her fight meaningless bad guys for no real reason.

 * NRAMA: Does this story fill in the one year later gap for Raven?

 * MW: I think so, but it also establishes her new status quo.

 * NRAMA: Is this the same Raven from the current Teen Titans series or has she been changed by the continuity wave?

 * MW: She is the same Raven from the current series.

 * NRAMA: Is this an attempt to see if there is enough interest in Raven for an ongoing series?

 * MW: I don't think so, but who knows? I think some characters are perfect team members, but you can always do a series of mini-series with them. We'll see if there's any interest in that once the first series comes out.

 * NRAMA: Did you pitch this idea to DC or did they ask you to do a Raven mini-series?

 * MW: They asked me to come up with a Raven mini and I pitched the story that slowly morphed into the one you'll read here.

 * NRAMA: How many issues is the mini-series?

 * MW: Five.

- Added this image to "Absent During 'Crisis on Infinite Earths'":

TalonTheater, 5:39 PM EST, 27 October 2006

 * I think we're now getting the problem of too many images. Also, for the title image, I'd think it'd be best to go for 'current' rather than 'iconic'. --InShaneee 17:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with InShanee; the OYL title image was more appropriate. But I would keep all the other images you uploaded. --Neigel von Teighen 19:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I personally think the article should use a higher ratio of pictures-text, as it's a picture-based medium. I also think that the main picture should be iconic as opposed to modern (especially as she's only been on one page in the new outfit), as when people come to this article for reference, the Raven they'll be most familiar with is likely the most oft-used Raven; that of Perez.

 * Of course, if more people come saying it's better to be current than iconic, then of course I'll go along with changing it. It's everybody's article. TalonTheater 18:18, 9 October 2006 (EST)

 * Note that I say both of those things as a comparison to other comic character articles. --InShaneee 23:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Alright then, if you want to change the picture, go for it. I'm probably a bit biased in this because I personally don't like the new costume (the "raven crest" and nonsense gem belt are just plain annoying). Just know that I plan on adding much more text to the article, so the picture-text ratio will balance out eventually. TalonTheater 7:25, 11 October 2006

I think we should cut either "Raven, as she looked pre-Infinite Crisis" or "Raven Rising". Pictures should add content to the article, and I'm not seeing enough difference in the two designs to warrant having both. We should do a straw vote on which to keep though. Excellent call on the scan with her explaining her powers btw Talon, I'd been looking for that earlier but couldn't find it.D1Puck1T 07:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I had to edit the pic as well, though, to include all the dialogue bubbles. It was in TNTT #6 (I think). - User:TalonTheater

Regarding the interviews, while I suppose there might be some reason to include the others, the one about the upcoming mini doesn't seem to have enough content to warrant being printed in its entirity. I suggest a summary of the major points, and a link to the original instead.D1Puck1T 07:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

- Added this to "Infinite Crisis" and One Year Later:
 * In #39, we see that she is in possession of the diskette containing Jericho's soul; at the end of the issue, Jericho's soul has been cleansed by Raven's incantation and has a new body.

- Replaced the profile picture picture:

with this one:

 * Ok, why did somebody change the profile picture? The one I posted is a much better one; it shows the new costume, but in better context. Heck, it's even metaphorical (Raven running).
 * I didn't do it, but I agree with it; the older one is clearer and gives a better view of things. --InShaneee 00:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Stop lying here's proof []. Brian Boru is awesome 13:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Again, I think we should cut either "Raven, as she looked pre-Infinite Crisis" or "Raven Rising". Pictures should add content to the article, and I'm not seeing enough difference in how Raven is drawn in those 2 images to warrant having both. Is there an image that can add content that we can use instead? Something Trigon-related perhaps?D1Puck1T 02:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

- Changed "Force Emotion (First and Second Lives only)" from this:
 * Raven's has had the ability to force outside emotions into other people, consciously or otherwise. She first used this ability on Wally West, making him fall in love with her in order to join her newly formed Teen Titans group, as Kid Flash. Later after being freed from her father's powers, she forced a short-lived romance with Nightwing, which was also induced by the fact that Raven was experiencing her own emotions for the first time. Raven also had tipped the scales in her favor and had "almost made" Nightwing fall for her.

 * to this:

 * Raven has had the ability to force outside emotions into other people, consciously or otherwise. She has used this ability many times, first notably on Wally West, in order to save his life (see Legends of the DC Universe #18). Later, after being freed from her father's powers and starting her second life, she unintentionally forced a short-lived romance with Nightwing, which was also induced by the fact that Raven was experiencing her own emotions for the first time, but Starfire/Koriand'r, who became her close friend , told that she wasn't really in love with him as the way she thought , so Dick and Raven remained friends,though at the end of the incident, it showed that Raven cried in sorrow when she saw Dick and Koriand'r flew away together . Whether or not she still possesses this ability (pre- or post- Infinite Crisis) is unknown.
 * There was some misinformation in the previous version (particularly involving Wally West), and generally just too much text. --TalonTheater 20 February 2007

Writer interviews?
Are the writer's interviews really neccesary for this article, and the very long section on animated Raven? Also, does her Powers section need info on animated Raven? I feel that this is a comics article (hence the title Raven (comics)), and should not have so much info on her cartoon counterpart. NeoCoronis 00:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, but I don't think the people who actually like the cartoon will. There should be a separate article for the cartoon version; the only resemblances between the two are the name and cloak. Personality and powers are different. TalonTheater
 * Name, cloak... origin, team membership, etc. etc. etc. Regardless, as I said before, at the  minimum  the interview on the upcoming mini should be cut and replaced with a brief summary of the interview and a link to it.  You could make an argument for the other interviews, but there's nothing in that interview about the mini that couldn't be summarized for space concerns.D1Puck1T 02:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

This entire section needs to go. The most absolutely essential quotes can stay, but the rest can simply be referred to. --InShaneee 18:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Returned to the team?
".. Jericho's soul is cleansed by Raven's incantation and has a new body. She returns to the team during TTT #40."

I don't recall her officially returning to the team in #40. Can someone correct this?

Raven's Mantra in the animated series
Fansites such as Titansgo.net and Titanstower.com animated fan site have listed the mantra as "Azarath Metrion Zinthos", not 'Azarath Metreon Zinthos'. It's the most widely used version of Raven's mantra by fans and websites alike, so anybody mind if I change it? Takuyar 15:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

No.But I guess my ideas doesnt count.

No if its on TV leave it there are many fans such as me who like that mantra Nomsese (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Page Layout
Just something minor, but shouldn't Powers and Abilities be put ahead of Animated Series Counterpart? It just seems weird touching on the comic Raven but not talking about powers until we scroll through another whole chunk of information. They're also more focused on comic Raven.

Also, for Powers, Animated Series, Artist Interviews, etc. Shouldn't they be cut into sections for easier separate editing? I'm a newbie to wikipedia editing, so I don't know how to do it. Takuyar 15:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Further Insight to Raven's Mantra
In the episode Spellbound, she learns many things from reading Malchior's books, and when combating the heart-like robot with the other titans, chants an altered three-word mantra that causes umbra-like energy to flow from her mouth and start to envelop the machine. When Robin tells her to stop, due to the risk of injuring the child the robot had abducted inside of it, she says that she can't control it, and then confronts Malchior, accusing him of it being "dark magic". This might indicate that her mantra is a means of spellcasting.

What a MESS!
First, what are the sources of the Writer/Artist Interviews section? Can I trust? Please cite sources and integrate the section into other appropriate areas of the article.

And, I think Powers section needs clean up. Everything in that section is in pell-mell.--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 11:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

 * What's wrong with the powers section? It's as organized as it can be while still separating the comic Raven (and her multiple lives, which have had varying abilities) from the animated version. She's had a lot of powers in her time, and they're being covered here. TalonTheater (DTF) 12:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Titanstower.com is the source for the interviews. And yes I agree, but I'm still a newbie to wiki editing and all those formats.. -Tak

First appearence
I have read the first issues of the New Titans since reformed by Raven, including the DC Comics presents one (in wich those Titans do not exist yet, but Robin is "taken" by Raven into taking part in a future adventure with them), but I have noticed that the encounter of Raven with the Justice League is already referenced as a past event, previous to even the events of DC Comics Presents (as the idea of reforming the Titans was made after being rejected by the League).

Was this a narrative trick, an event made up for explaining her origin, or has Raven really appeared at some comic book issue of the League asking for help and being rejected by Zatanna? Perón 18:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Soul power
I removed this speculative OR: "This is seemingly contradicted in the episode "Switched", where her powers remain in her body when she switches bodies with Starfire, the latter gaining control over them instead." No reason the powers themselves can't be connected to the body while using whichever soul is inside her body to supply the "mojo". Noclevername (talk) 19:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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Raven's Miniseries
Why isn't her current miniseries mentioned in this article? Supergrimm (talk) 17:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Supergrimm

maybe cause people want to forget the horror of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.5.129 (talk) 03:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Animated Raven's Ancestry
There has been a mini-argument going on involving the animated Raven's ancestry. I believe that Arella's facial features suggest an Asian background, which would apply to Raven as well. The most common counter-argument is that Arella's appearance is the result of the anime-inspired art style. This is illogical as the art style does not automatically make characters look Asian. Arella is one of the only characters on the show with these features and it is not because of the art style; it is due to an intentional attempt to represent Asian facial features. It is obvious and deserves to be in the article. Farm_Zombie (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2008 (EST)

It's not illogical at all when almost all the characters look Asian due to the artwork with that perspetive and it does not need to be in the article. Unless you wish to add "But this is debatible" Jerky Chid (talk) 02:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The far majority of characters most certainly do not look Asian, unless you somehow consider the enlarged eyes and such so prevalent in the art-style to be synonymous with Asian facial features, and why would you? The anime-inspired design was originally inspired, decades ago, by the Japanese mimicking the works of Western animators; not their own features. Compare Arella to most other characters on the show. She is distinctly different. I stand by my analysis. Farm_Zombie (talk) 16:05, 29 April 2008 (EST)

I guess the question is whether or not you can cite sources suggesting this, or it'd just be original research? Nave.notnilc (talk) 06:31, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow. This topic popped up again. Okay, when Teen Titans was adapted from comic to animated series, all the characters were redesigned. Raven's design was the most dramitically altered. Now, let's just say you had never heard of the character's unusual parentage. If you were shown a picture of the original comic book Raven, you'd probably just assume she was a caucasian person. However, determining the animated Raven's racial background is far more difficult because of her unusual appearance (grey skin, violet hair), but few would say she looks caucasian. Studying the character's design for a while, she does have some vaguely exotic facial features. This is backed 100% by the appearance of her mother who had distinctly Asian facial features. This is not just speculation; its pretty obvious when you look at the different adaptations of the characters in question and it is at least worth a sentence in the article.

Here's another example: In the original TMNT comic, the character Baxter Stockman was African-American. When the show was adapted into an animated series, he was depicted as a caucasian man. In yet another adaptation, he was again African-American. In the Baxter Stockman article, the racial shifts between adaptations are mentioned several times. The same principal applies here.

It really isn't a big deal, but why not be honest about the change that took place between adaptations? (Freed223 (talk) 06:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC))

 * It's not being honest, it's inserting your opinion. All of that is your opinion. What's in the article now is the extent of the facts. Once you start adding nonsense about exoticness then you get into original research. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The Raven
Does information on this character really belong here? Or, at the very least, at the start of this article? I don't really think it's needed and it makes the start of this article seem very crowded.

Other Ravens
There have been four characters prior to the Titan to call themselves Raven (OSS, Golden Age Hawkman Carter Hall, Silver Age Katar Hol, agen of MAZE); what about mentioning them?

Quality Comics character
Why is there a paragraph on a different character in the lead? I can't see the connection and it could potentially be confusing (well I'm confused so I suspect it must be). (Emperor (talk) 20:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC))

Infobox image
Although WP covers knowledge regardless of individual tastes, and has does not shy away from showing anything that is necessary to illustrate its articles, I suggest replacing with, moving it into the body of the article. "Ravenacolor" has its place in showing how the character is often/usually portrayed, but Ravenoyl is more recent and less erotic, and I think it makes for a better first impression. I'd do it myself, but I can't be bothered figuring out the best place to put Ravenacolor and all that (plus this'll definitely avoid a stupid edit war).

Just in case anyone decides to play into a stereotype and claim that the above paragraph is just excessive feminism and I must be a woman who's annoyed by the unbalanced sensualisation frequently found in comics, complete with similarly run-on sentences (which would be rather disappointing to see here on Wikipedia): I am actually a young straight man who simply has the reasoning stated above. 217.23.4.105 (talk) 02:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Disjointed, overly long, and in need of a lot of work
I added a number of references and made some edits, but the info box at the top of the page is correct in that it has "multiple issues" and is in need of some good editing. The history is overly long and detailed. It's too "in universe" and far too detailed especially on events of the past few years. Someone who is more familiar with recent events should edit this down.

Shoeless Ho (talk) 19:43, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 17 August 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved  Dr Strauss   talk   21:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Raven (comics) → Raven (DC Comics) – The use of the word "(comics)" in the title ambiguous. The current title could also refer to Raven (Ace Comics). Steel1943 (talk) 06:17, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Given that we have articles on multiple characters in comics named Raven, identifying one simply as "comics" is unclear.  ╠╣uw [ talk ]  19:31, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - seems pretty straight-forward Argento Surfer (talk) 12:37, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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Image Art
Can we get a new photo for Raven? Countryking2001 (talk) 01:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Justice League Dark?
Since when has Raven ever been a member of the Justice League Dark? To date, she has not ever been a member of the team.JayAaerow (talk) 02:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/PSYCH

I reject any notion that I should be blocked. I have peacefully editted wikipedia for 5 months. I do not engage in personal attacks. The examples that PSYCH brings are not personal attacks. Xtra 04:22, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I would like some clarification from the arbitrators about whether we are actually debating content and accuracy of content and posts. There are numerous content based alegations that PSYCH has raised against me, which make up most of his response, which, though I am able to answer, I don't really have the time to prepare if it is not necessary. Issues of content include: I can address all these if necessary. Xtra 03:51, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * PSYCH's allegation that because I support the Liberals I should not be allowed to edit related articles. Adam Carr, a Labor supporter, is a good example of a political supporter who's edits are generally above reproach. As I believe mine are.
 * what is on the gay agenda.
 * what the Liberals stand for and have done.

Problem Recurring?
I have a distinct feeling that this problem (or at least something related) has begun to recur.

See:, ,

This is the worst vandalism I've seen on Wikipedia. Ever. (though I'm not entirely an experienced Wikipedian).

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Belmont, Victoria

Belmont is a southern suburb of Geelong, Victoria, Australia. The name means "beautiful hill". Belmont is geographically separated from the Geelong central business district by the Barwon River. The suburb is primarily residential, with some light industry along Barwon Heads Road. The suburb is part of the City of Greater Geelong local government area. At the, Belmont had a population of 13,616.

Nineteenth century
The area has been inhabited by the Wathaurong people for at least 25,000 years. The first European to settle in the area was Dr. Alexander Thomson, later mayor of Geelong, who took up a pastoral run in 1836, and subsequent purchases of crown land were managed from his homestead "Kardinia".

Early white settlement was hampered by the lack of a secure bridge over the Barwon River. The first wooden bridge opened early in 1848, and was tolled by the South Barwon Road Board. Four years later, on 23 May 1852, the bridge was swept away in a flood. From December that year a government punt operated at the site, and by late 1853 two government punts were used to form a pontoon bridge. In 1859 a secure iron bridge was opened as a replacement. By the mid-to-late 1850s a township had developed, with a general store and a number of pubs. The post office opened on 21 January 1860.

Some of the streets in the area are named after early properties; for instance Roslyn Road was originally a track which led to the homestead "Roslyn" in the suburb of Wandana. A few significant older buildings remain, such as Royd Grange which was built by Godfrey Hirst in 1897. Kardinia House, located in Riverview Terrace, is listed on the Victorian Heritage Register.

In 1850 Alexander Thomson offered 93 allotments for sale, as the township of Belmont, between Mount Pleasant and Roslyn Roads. Further land sales occurred in 1886, when 25 acre of Crown land was offered for sale in 25 allotments. The economic depression of the 1890s temporarily curbed land sales.

Twentieth century

In 1909 a substantial proportion of the area bounded by Thomson, Regent and Scott Streets, and Roslyn Road, was acquired by Geelong Grammar School as the site for the relocation of the school from central Geelong. On 21 October 1910, the chairman of the school council, W.T. Manifold, turned the first sod. However those plans had faded by August 1911, after adjoining land was subdivided and offered for sale as the Belmont Hill Estate. The grammar school council indicated that an adjacent suburban subdivision was not conducive to their plans for a boarding school which did not cater for day boys. Consequently, the school decided to buy land on the opposite side of Geelong at Corio, and the land at Belmont was sold for further residential subdivision.

On 6 December 1913, 86 residential sites were auctioned, forming the Belmont Heights Estate. The streets of this new estate were named after well-known Polar explorers: Scott, Shackleton, Peary and Amundsen.

The years immediately after the First World War witnessed the transformation of the rural farmland in Belmont into a residential area. Further subdivision occurred in the 1920s, stimulated by the construction of a new bridge over the Barwon River in 1926, and the consequent extension of the Geelong tram system to Roslyn Road in 1927. Houses erected during the interwar years (and those following World War II) were affordable homes for textile workers, drivers, labourers, clerks, secretaries, teachers and builders.

Major housing development in Belmont stepped up in the years following World War II, with housing developments spreading westwards, from the original township on the hill towards Highton. Later development in the 1970s saw subdivision to the south towards Grovedale.

The CSIRO established a laboratory facility in Belmont in 1948 to perform research to support the wool industry. It became one of the leading textile research centres in the world, but in a reorganisation of the CSIRO in the early 2010s, the site was closed and staff moved to the Australian Future Fibres Research and Innovation Centre at Deakin University Waurn Ponds.

Aviation
The Belmont Common was a site of early aviation in the Geelong area. The first person to fly from the Common was Hans Andersen, a garage owner who flew his home made biplane until he crashed the plane at Lovely Banks.

He was followed by Charles and Percy Pratt. Pilots involved in World War I, they erected a large hangar and workshops, from which they taught gliding and flying, overhauled aeroplanes and motors, and practised aerial photography.

In 1928, 10,000 Geelong residents turned up at the aerodrome to welcome aviator Bert Hinkler who had just completed a 16-day England-Australia flight. Percy Pratt started the Geelong Gliding Club in 1929 which still exists at Bacchus Marsh. On 4 August 1937 Percy Pratt took off from the Common and completed the longest towed glider flight in Australia up to that time.

Avro Anson bombers used by Bass Island Airways on the run to King Island were housed and serviced at the Belmont Common, one being destroyed by floods in 1952. By the early 1950s the aerodrome on the Common had closed. The land returned to grazing use however the aero tie down stations remained, the old aero work shop became a metal working shop (Coghlan and Russell) and the Common was still being used by crop dusters and other biplanes up until the early 1960s when pilots would make sweeps low down to herd cattle away from the landing approach. It was rumored that Percy mentioned above also completed the "first" under bridge pass of the steel Moorabool Street bridge. Gliding was still conducted up until early 1960s as well at the Common with a winch truck used to winch the gliders to sufficient thermal height. Returning to land was sometimes left a little late with low height remaining after a flight with one tree alongside the Moorabool Street bridge reduced in height somewhat by a low passing glider. The glider shed was located approximately under the present main intersection at Barwon Heads / Settlement Road intersection. This shed later became the first home of the Bellarine railway group and was the site of filming for a Sullivans episode showing old World War II steam trains. Remains of the initial rail spur can be seen heading towards the golf course. It was planned to extend the rail line along the river reserve towards Highton. As well as full size aero and glider activities the Common was used by model flyers as well. Initially control line and free flight models until use of early radio control models in 1966/7. By mid-1967 a social flying group had been formed. Geelong Aero Guidance Society was formed in Barry A's garage in Belmont. They remained at the Common for a few more years until late 1970s they found a new site at Dog Rocks after wide spread use of high powered CB radios in Geelong caused interference to the radio control equipment.

Railway
A narrow gauge tourist railway operated on the Belmont Common from 1969 to 1976. Operated by the Australian Railway Historical Society's Geelong Division, under the Geelong Steam Preservation Society name, the railway started with 100 ft of track, and two steam locomotives donated by the Australian Portland Cement company, formerly used on its private industrial railway at Fyansford.

Further rolling stock was acquired throughout the 1970s, and plans were drawn up for a major track extension though the Common, and then along the Barwon River to Buckleys Falls. However, by the mid-1970s, regular flooding of the Common had dampened enthusiasm, and the imminent construction of the Princes Highway bypass of Belmont would cut the railway line in half. The closure of the Victorian Railways' Queenscliff branch line in 1976 presented an opportunity for the society, which relocated to Queenscliff, re-gauged the line as far as Drysdale, and now operates as the Bellarine Railway.

Geography
Belmont is bounded by the Barwon River to the north and east, Waurn Ponds Creek to the south, and the former Kardinia Creek to the west, which was placed underground in the 1960s. Low-lying lands follow the banks of the Barwon River. Further parklands follow the Waurn Ponds Creek.

The area of Belmont Common is flood-prone during heavy rainfall. It was also a site of early aviation in the area and a flying school was operated in the area in the 1920s. During 1952, the Barwon River broke its banks, flooding the entire Belmont Common area; flooding covering the same area, including the caravan park and K-mart car park is not uncommon in recent history (1995).

The older populated areas of the suburb are located on top of a hill centred upon High and Regent Streets, overlooking the river and the rest of Geelong. The area near Reynolds Road and High Street are much flatter, and were developed during the post war period. The lower lying areas near Torquay Road were settled from the 1970s onward.

Demographics
In the 2006 census, 13,646 persons resided in Belmont. 16% of the population were children aged between 0–14 years, and 31% were aged 55 years and over. Belmont is an ageing suburb, with the median age of residents being 40 years, compared with 37 years for persons in Australia. 90% of residents are Australian citizens with 80.3% born in Australia, the most common foreign birthplace being England (3.6%).

The average household size was 2.3 persons, with the majority of dwellings being separate houses. Family households occupied 60% of private dwellings, with lone person households making up 32%. The median weekly family income was $1,053, compared with $1,171 in Australia.

Roads
High Street is the main road in Belmont, running from the centre of Geelong towards Colac. A four lane bridge over the Barwon River links Belmont to the north and the rest of Geelong. Once part of the Princes Highway, a bypass of Belmont was commenced during the early 1980s. Completed in 1990, the four lane James Harrison Bridge over the Barwon River removed heavy through traffic from the main shopping centre and diverted traffic down an upgraded Settlement Road. The Princes Highway remained on this route today until the opening of the Geelong Ring Road.

Other major roads include the Surfcoast Highway which runs from Settlement Road south to Grovedale and Torquay before forming the Great Ocean Road. Barwon Heads Road which forms an important link to Barwon Heads and other smaller coastal towns. Shannon Avenue which provided a northerly connection to the rest of Geelong, and Barrabool Road which runs west to Highton and Wandana Heights.

Trams
Trams served Belmont from 1927 to 1956. The tramline was opened on 16 December 1927 when the 'South' route was extended across the Barwon Bridge in Moorabool Street. The tram line ran along High Street to the terminus just south of the intersection with Roslyn Road. The extension was made possible by the completion a new wider bridge over the Barwon the same year.

The line was single track, except for two crossing loops: one just south of the bridge and the other just south of Mount Pleasant Road. In 1951 four trams per hour operated over the line during peak times. The line was the last of Geelong tramways to close, the final run occurring on 25 March 1956. Buses replaced the tram services.

Buses
A motor bus service to Belmont commenced on 15 January 1914, using 12 hp double-decker buses capable of travelling at 12 mph. It was later replaced by the tram service.

Today Belmont is served by a number of bus routes which link the suburb with the city, Highton, Grovedale, Waurn Ponds and Deakin University. The services are operated by CDC Geelong and McHarry's Buslines, under contract to Public Transport Victoria. Routes run into the suburb via High Street, before splitting off to various destinations. Bus services to Torquay also stop in Belmont to pick up passengers, as do V/Line road coaches to Lorne and Apollo Bay.

Shopping
The High Street shopping strip is the largest strip shopping centre in Geelong, stretching from Barwon Heads Road to Roslyn Road. The shopping strip was upgraded in 2006, with power lines being put underground and the extensive planting of street trees.

Religion
Some of the churches in Belmont include:
 * St. Stephen's Anglican Church Belmont
 * St. Bernard's Parish
 * Grace Church
 * God Baptist Church
 * Belmont Uniting Church

Education
Belmont is served by a number of primary and secondary schools:
 * Belmont Primary School in Mount Pleasant Road was the first primary school in the suburb, opened on 1 December 1856.
 * St Bernard's Catholic Primary School was the school of the St Bernard's Catholic parish. Located on the corner of High and Regent Streets, the school was merged with Highton's Mercia Catholic Primary School in 1999, to form Clairvaux Catholic Primary School on Reynolds Road.
 * Belmont High School is situated off Roslyn Road, and was the first secondary school in Belmont. It opened during the post-World War II population boom in the district.
 * Roslyn Primary School opened at about the same time.
 * Oberon Primary School also opened when development in Belmont accelerated post-World War II.
 * Oberon High School opened on Kidman Avenue in the late 1960s to serve the growing population south of the Barwon River. The school also caters for students from the coastal and country areas to the south of Geelong.
 * Oberon South Primary School is located next to Oberon High School on Tintinara Crescent.

Belmont was once home of the South Barwon Technical School on Reynolds Road which opened in the late 1970s. The school was closed in the early 1990s as part of the then-State Government reforms of vocational education. The buildings are now occupied by Clairvaux Catholic Primary School.

A number of kindergartens are also located in Belmont.

Research laboratory
The facilities of the CSIRO Division of Wool Technology, later Textile and Fibre Technology, were located at the intersection of Henry and High Streets for over 50 years, but moved to Deakin University Waurn Ponds in the early 2010s.

Recreation
Belmont has a large number of reserves and a number of local sporting clubs.

The extensive Belmont Common area follows the Barwon River to the east of the suburb, and has a path along both sides of the river for people to utilise on foot or bicycle. The Common also houses the Barwon Valley Public Golf Course, golf driving range, a number of baseball fields, indoor and outdoor shooting ranges, dog obedience school, and cricket and football ovals.

Further major reserves are Winter Reserve and McDonald Reserve. Established in the late 1960s, both reserves have a number of ovals that see heavy use during the football and cricket seasons.

The suburb has an Australian Rules football team, South Barwon Swans, competing in the Geelong Football League and the Belmont Lions team competing in the Geelong & District Football League.

The Barwon Valley Activity Centre houses indoor basketball and netball courts. The centre is also home to a Sunday market and a number of special events.

Sporting clubs include:
 * Geelong Bowls Club
 * Geelong Lawn Tennis Club
 * Belmont Bowls Club
 * Geelong RSL Bowls Club
 * East Belmont Saints Baseball Club

The Leisurelink Swimming Complex housed an enclosed 25-metre swimming pool, a number of smaller pools, four external waterslides, and a gym and aerobics centre. The ageing centre was replaced with a large $31million centre in Waurn Ponds in September, 2010.

Next door to the old Leisurelink complex is the Geelong Bowling Lanes. Opened in the 1980s, for a number of years it was the only tenpin bowling lanes in Geelong.

Belmont has a number of children's playgrounds throughout the suburb, the major one being the Barwon Valley Fun Park.

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User talk:Je5ter

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. dbenbenn | talk 04:24, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Beretta

Worlds Oldest corporation
Is Beretta really the world's oldest corporation? There are far older businesses, and Beretta is only the 14th oldest family business. Were the 13 other companies late to become corporations?

Oldest Arms Manufacture
From the Henokiens' website @ http://www.henokiens.com/index_beretta_gb.php

"1526 The oldest arms manufacturing company in the world, spanning over sixteen generations"

--69.151.242.106 14:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC) TexRetta @ http://www.beretta-e.org

Something could be added to this article about the CX4 Storm. If nobody else does, I will the next time I get the chance. --UNHchabo 08:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I already added the Cx4 as a carbine, there's no need to add it as a rifle. See this site. --UNHchabo 22:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

i added the m93r under the pistols....can we make the article tagged so that it gets more help

Bond
James Bond uses a Beretta right up to the beginning of Dr No (the first one) when it's replaced with a Walther PPK. Ok, it might not be Dr. No, I don't remember off the top of my head, infact it seems unlikely since there are publicity shots of Sean Connery with a Beretta, but at some point the character of James Bond carried (as was quite attached to) a Beretta. Gurkha 00:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: Bond
That would be a .25 Beretta, not sure which model, probably the Beretta 950 from the little you see of it in Dr.No (the film). Anyway, in the novels and the movies Bond is given the PPK in Dr.No.

Bobcat 21
Why the hole in the end of the hammer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.64.200 (talk) 02:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Poor Quality
So for a company established in the 16th century, the "history" section starts in the 20th? Most of this seems just to be regurgitated stolen copy from the company website. This is not a valid source -- it is obviously biased. It's also promotional in tone, this is a commercial business and this piece of fluff is helping their sales.

The majority of this article is just a pointless list of weapons.

The grammar and syntax of the article is non-native English.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.234.40 (talk) 01:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

BM 59 vs M14
I didn't find anything about the BM59 vs the M14 in that article. Could someone quote that part?JagerSS (talk) 04:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Parabellum
Where is this gun ?

http://www.maskworld.com/english/products/costume-accessories/--/deco-guns--380/pistol-9mm-beretta-parabellum--VO100-1254

Wizzy… ☎ 03:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Rare Beretta automatic pistol
I am searching for a particular Beretta 32 caliber semi automatic pistol called the NEW Puma. I have the weapon but have found no information about its history or value except it was used by the Italian Navy. I'm researching it's value and would like to hear from any expert about more information on it. The original grip has PUMA on it and I use 32 ammo in it.I have researched Beretta site and have had no success on more information or worth. I have taken it to many gun shows and no (experts) can tell me about it and have never seen one. My e-mail is Mikepreble@aol.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.204.108 (talk) 19:13, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

USA
there any more reliable sources about the the decision of the US?.AlfaRocket (talk) 13:12, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
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Insufficient sources to verify that the Vatican Bank was the main shareholder
The articles reference to the Vatican Bank being a main shareholder is backed up with two external sources. Non of which provide sufficient evidence of this being true. One of the sources https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/06/the-vatican-and-arms-dealers even claims that they cannot find the evidence.

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Naming Conventions
Why is every firearm listed in this article prefaced with the name Beretta M..., Beretta 19..., This is an article about Beretta. It is obvious that every firearm listed is a Beretta. 72.43.136.100 (talk) 13:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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Fielding Bradford Meek

Fielding Bradford Meek (December 10, 1817 – December 22, 1876) was an American geologist and a paleontologist who specialized in the invertebrates.

Biography
The son of a lawyer, he was born in Madison, Indiana. In early life he was in business as a merchant, but he became deaf and spent his leisure hours devoted to collecting fossils and studying the rocks of the neighborhood of Madison. Being unsuccessful in business with delicate health he turned his whole attention to science, and in 1848 he gained employment on the United States Geological and Geographical Survey of the Territories as an assistant to D. D. Owen in Iowa, and subsequently in Wisconsin and Minnesota. In 1852 he became assistant to Professor James Hall at Albany, New York, and worked at palaeontology with him until 1858. He received training in illustration from Frederick Swinton. Meanwhile, in 1853 he accompanied FV Hayden in an exploration of the badlands of Dakota and brought back valuable collections of fossils.

In 1858 following clashes with Hall he went to Washington, D.C., where he devoted his time to the palaeontological work of the United States geological and geographical surveys, his work bearing the stamp of the most faithful and conscientious research, and raising him to the highest rank as a palaeontologist. About this time, both he and Hayden joined the Megatherium Club at the Smithsonian Institution.

In 1867, he was elected as a member of the American Philosophical Society.

Besides many separate contributions to science, he prepared with WM Gabb (1839–1878) two volumes on the palaeontology of California (1864–1869) and a Report on the Invertebrate Cretaceous and Tertiary Fossils of the Upper Missouri Country (1876). He died of tuberculosis at Washington in 1876 and is interred at Congressional Cemetery.

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International airport

An international airport is an airport with customs and border control facilities enabling passengers to travel between countries around the world. International airports are usually larger than domestic airports, and feature longer runways and have facilities to accommodate heavier aircraft such as the Boeing 747 and the Airbus A380 commonly used for international and intercontinental travel. International airports often host domestic flights, which helps feed both passengers and cargo into international ones (and vice versa).

Buildings, operations, and management have become increasingly sophisticated since the mid-20th century, when international airports began to provide infrastructure for international civilian flights. Detailed technical standards have been developed to ensure safety and common coding systems implemented to provide global consistency. The physical structures that serve millions of individual passengers and flights are among the most complex and interconnected in the world. By the second decade of the 21st century, over 1,200 international airports existed with around 3.8 billion international passengers as of January 2023 along with 50 million metric tonnes of cargo passing through them annually.

History
In August 1919, Hounslow Heath Aerodrome, in London, England, was the first airport to operate scheduled international commercial services. It was closed and supplanted by Croydon Airport in March 1920. In the United States, Douglas Municipal Airport in Arizona became the first international airport of the Americas in 1928.

The precursors to international airports were airfields or aerodromes. In the early days of international flights, infrastructure was limited, "although if engine problems arose there were plenty of places where aircraft could land". Since four-engined land planes were unavailable for over-water operations to international destinations, flying boats became part of the solution. At the far end of the longest international route (which became the Kangaroo Route), on-water landing areas were found in places such as Surabaya and in the open sea off Kupang. In Sydney, Rose Bay, New South Wales, was chosen as the flying-boat landing area.

International airports sometimes serve military as well as commercial purposes and their viability is also affected by technological developments. Canton Island Airport, for example, in the Phoenix Islands (Kiribati), after serving as a military airport during World War II, was used as a refuelling stop by commercial aircraft such as Qantas which stationed ground crew there in the late 1950s. The advent in the early 1960s of jet aircraft such as the Boeing 707 with the range to fly non-stop between Australia or New Zealand and Hawaii, meant that a mid-Pacific stop was no longer needed and the airport was closed to regular commercial use. Other international airports, such as Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong, have been decommissioned and replaced when they reached capacity or technological advances rendered them inadequate.

Design and construction
The construction and operation of an international airport depends on a complicated set of decisions that are affected by technology, politics, economics and geography as well as both local and international law. Designing an airport even for domestic traffic or as "non-hub" has, from the beginning, required extensive co-ordination between users and interested parties – architects, engineers, managers and staff all need to be involved. Airports may also be regarded as emblematic of national pride and so the design may be architecturally ambitious. An example was the planned New Mexico City international airport, intended to replace an airport that has reached capacity.

Airports can be towered or non-towered, depending on air traffic density and available funds. Because of high capacity and busy airspace, many international airports have air traffic control located on site.

Some international airports require construction of additional infrastructure outside of the airport, such as at the Hong Kong International Airport, which included the construction of a high-speed railway and automobile expressway to connect the airport to the urban areas of Hong Kong. Construction of the expressway included the construction of two bridges (the Tsing Ma suspension bridge and Kap Shui Mun cable bridge) and the Ma Wan viaduct on Ma Wan island to connect the bridges. Each bridge carries rail and automobile traffic.

Operations and management
International airports have commercial relationships with and provide services to airlines and passengers from around the world. Many also serve as hubs, or places where non-direct flights may land and passengers may switch planes, while others serve primarily direct point-to-point flights. This affects airport design factors, including the number and placement of terminals as well as the flow of passengers and baggage between different areas of the airport. An airport specializing in point-to-point transit can have international and domestic terminals, each in their separate building equipped with separate baggage handling facilities. In a hub airport, however, spaces and services are shared.

Airport management have to take into account a wide range of factors, among which are the performance of airlines, the technical requirements of aircraft, airport-airline relationships, services for travelling customers, security and environmental impacts.

Standards
Technical standards for safety and operating procedures at international airports are set by international agreements. The International Air Transport Association (IATA), formed in 1945, is the association of the airline companies. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is a body of the United Nations succeeding earlier international committees going back to 1903. These two organizations served to create regulations over airports which the airports themselves had no authority to debate. This eventually sparked an entire subject of air travel politics. In January 1948, 19 representatives from various US commercial airports met for the first time in New York City to seek resolution to common problems they each faced, which initiated the formation of the Airport Operators Council, which later became Airports Council International – North America (ACI-NA). This group included representatives from Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Memphis, Miami, Minneapolis-Saint Paul, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Francisco and Washington.

Flight logistics
International airports have extensive operations in managing flight logistics, such as air traffic control. The latter service is provided by ground-based controllers who coordinate and direct aircraft on the ground and through controlled airspace. Air traffic control also provides advisory services to aircraft in non-controlled airspace.

Customs and immigration
Airports with international flights have customs and immigration facilities, which allow right of entry. These change over time but are generally designated by law. However, as some countries have agreements that allow connecting flights without customs and immigrations, such facilities do not define an international airport.

Security and safety
The current trend of enhancing security at the cost of passenger and baggage handling efficiency at international airports is expected to continue in the future. This places financial burden on airports, risks the flow of servicing processes, and has implications for the privacy of passengers. International flights often require a higher level of physical security than do domestic airports, although in recent years, many countries have adopted the same level of security for both.

Most international airports feature a "sterile lounge", an area after security checkpoints within which passengers are free to move without further security checks. This area can have services such as duty-free shops that sell goods that have been selected and screened with safety in mind, so that purchasing and bringing them on board flights poses no security risks. In addition to employees, only processed passengers with a valid ticket are allowed inside the sterile lounge. Admittance into the sterile area is done in centralized security checkpoints in contrast to e.g. individual checkpoints at each gate. This allows for more efficient processing of passengers with fewer staff, as well as makes it possible to detect both delays and security threats well ahead of boarding.

To ensure the viability of airport operations, new and innovative security systems are being developed. For instance, the old security checkpoints can be replaced by a "total security area" encompassing an entire airport, coupled with automatic surveillance of passengers from the moment they enter the airport until they embark on a plane.

Passengers connecting to domestic flights from an international flight generally must take their checked luggage through customs and re-check their luggage at the domestic airline counter, requiring extra time in the process. In some cases in Europe, luggage can be transferred to the final destination even if it is a domestic connection.

In some cases, travelers and the aircraft can clear customs and immigration at the departure airport. An example of this would be that some airports in Canada and Ireland, along with several other countries, have United States border preclearance facilities. This allows flights from those airports to fly into US airports that do not have customs and immigration facilities. Luggage from such flights can also be transferred to a final destination in the U.S. through the airport of entry.

A crucial safety aspect of international airports is medical facilities and practices. In particular, controlling transmissible disease, such as SARS, is deemed important at international airports. While these standards are regulated by ICAO Standards And Recommended Practices (SARPs) and WHO's International Health Regulations (IHR), local authorities have considerable say in how they are implemented.

Transportation
Among the most important airport services are further transportation connections, including rail networks, taxi and shuttle services at curbside pick-up areas, and public buses. Large areas for automobile parking, often in co-located multi-storey car parks, are also typical to find at airports. Some airports provide shuttle services to parking garages for passengers and airport employees. Due to the very large scale of international airports, some have constructed shuttle services to transport passengers between terminals. Such systems operate for example, in Singapore Changi Airport and Zurich Airport.

At some U.S. international airports, such as O'Hare International Airport in Chicago, some seating and waiting areas are located away from the terminal building, with passengers being shuttled to terminals. These areas may be referred to as ground transportation centers or intermodal centers. Amenities at ground transportation centers typically include restrooms and seating, and may also provide ticket counters, food and beverage sales and retail goods such as magazines. Some ground transportation centers have heating and air conditioning and covered boarding areas (to protect passengers from the elements).

Services and amenities
Standard amenities include public restrooms, passenger waiting areas and retail stores for dining and shopping, including duty-free shops. Dining establishments may be consolidated in food courts. Some international airports may offer retail sales of luxury goods at duty-free stores. Wi-Fi service and access, offices for bureau de change (currency exchange) and tourism advice are common, although the availability of service varies across airports. Some international airports provide secure areas for stranded passengers to rest and sleep. The more usual service is hotels that are available on the premises.

Customer satisfaction awards
The World Airport Awards are voted by consumers in an independent global customer satisfaction survey. Singapore Changi Airport was the first-place winner in 2020. Other winners include Incheon International Airport (South Korea) and Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (The Netherlands).

Airport names

Toponymy is one of the most common sources for the naming of airports. A number of areas close to them have lent their names, including villages, estates, city districts, historical areas and regions, islands and even a waterfall. Sometimes the toponym is combined with or renamed to incorporate another name from another source such as from one of the following: A study found that 44 percent of the world's international airports are named by toponyms: named for politicians (thirty percent), aviators (seven percent), mythology and religion (three percent), public figures (two percent), people of science (two percent) and other (one percent).
 * Athletes such as George Best Belfast City Airport in Belfast, Northern Ireland.
 * Aviators such as pilots (civil and military) and others who played a role in the development of aviation- like Jorge Chavez International Airport in Lima, Peru, named after Peruvian-French pilot Jorge Chavez, Sydney Kingsford Smith Airport, named after Australian aviator Charles Kingsford Smith, or Sabiha Gökçen International Airport named from Turkish Female Pilot Sabiha Gökçen
 * Cultural leaders (poets, artists, writers, musicians) - like the John Lennon Airport in the English city of Liverpool, where John Lennon and The Beatles came from, Rafael Hernandez Airport in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico, named for Puerto Rican singer and actor Rafael Hernandez, and Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport in New Orleans, Louisiana, named for jazz artist Louis Armstrong.
 * Ethnic groups, such as Minangkabau International Airport in Padang, Indonesia, named after the local Minangkabau people.
 * Ideals in combination with toponyms, such as Newark Liberty International Airport.
 * Mythology and religion, such as heroes of epics and myths, church hierarchs and saints and similar names. A notable example of this is El Dorado International Airport.
 * Politicians and statesmen such as the O. R. Tambo International Airport in Johannesburg, South Africa which was named after O.R. Tambo who was a South African anti-apartheid politician and Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila, Philippines to honour the former Senator of the Philippines, Benigno Aquino Jr. who was assassinated at the exact airport in 1983. Some airports have been named after dictators during their dictatorship; such is the case of the Robert Mugabe International Airport in Harare, Zimbabwe, named after Robert Mugabe, and, in the past Saddam International Airport in Baghdad, Iraq, so named after Saddam Hussein. Some airports was International formerly like Atatürk International Airport named from founding father of the Republic of Türkiye's Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. More notable examples are two of the three New York City airports: LaGuardia Airport (named after Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia) and John F. Kennedy International Airport (named after the 35th President of the United States). In addition, the world’s busiest airport, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, was named after two former mayors: William B. Hartsfield and Maynard Jackson.
 * Public figures (advocates, engineers, doctors, teachers, journalists or sportspeople), such as John Wayne Airport, named after an actor.
 * Royalty (kings, queens) such as King Shaka International Airport in Durban, South Africa which was named after King Shaka who was one of the most influential monarchs of the Zulu Kingdom.
 * Scientists such as Galileo Galilei Airport in Pisa which was named after Galileo Galilei.

Airports also use an IATA-3 letter code to abbreviate the names of all the international airports. Some airports are nicknamed after these codes, such as JFK, BWI, DFW, LAX, YYZ, FCO, and CDG.

An "international airport" can be named as such by simply containing customs and border control facilities to enable international flights, regardless of whether international flights currently operate to or from the airport. For example, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility has been in place at Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport since July 1, 2012, but no scheduled international flights have been inaugurated to or from Bozeman since.

By historical event

 * 1919 (August) Hounslow Heath Aerodrome begins operating scheduled international commercial services from England to France.
 * 1933 Douglas International Airport in Arizona is honored by Eleanor Roosevelt as "the first international airport of the Americas", having reached this capacity in 1928.

By passenger numbers

 * , Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport had the greatest number of travelers of all international airports with 107 million passengers, more than Beijing Capital International with 100 million passengers.
 * Los Angeles International Airport is considered to have the greatest number of passengers who start or end their travel there as opposed to continuing on to a connecting flight. Overall, LAX is considered to be the 7th busiest airport in the world.
 * Dubai International Airport is the busiest airport in the world by international passenger traffic, with 83,105,798 international passengers. Dubai is the third busiest airport worldwide.

Other

 * Svalbard Airport in Svalbard, Norway is the northernmost airport to which tourists can book tickets. It is primarily used for transporting miners to and from a cluster of islands with a heavy mining industry.
 * King Fahd International Airport in Dammam, Saudi Arabia is the largest airport in the world, encompassing over 300 sqmi.
 * The world's longest active scheduled passenger flight by great-circle distance operates between Changi Airport (in Singapore) and John F. Kennedy International Airport (in New York City, United States); the great-circle distance between the two airports is 15349 km.

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Talk:Daylesford, Victoria

History
I found this excellent resource on the history of Daylesford. There's a lot of information there, and I'd love to find time to sift through it for Wikipedia. http://pandora.nla.gov.au/nph-arch/1999/Z1999-Jun-4/http://www.sebas.vic.edu.au/staff/ndarwin/Contents.htm Cnwb 04:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Lake House
Need to add recent influence of the Lake House, i will as soon as I can get some facts together --124.168.32.204 (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Update
This article needs a lot of improvement. I will be working on updating the history section for citation, and consolidating the information as it's far too lengthy. The attractions and events section is also not of encyclopedia merit. Climate and transport sections also hold no citations. --Shumway (talk) 09:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Latest Update
NB flagged for email due to a link from the ABS in article. Got around to editing this article further. I've consolidated the history section which went on for far too long and repeated statements in some paragraphs, and put dates into chronological order. It could do with a lot more work but good citations are hard to find. There are several sites with a lot of different dates and events regarding the town. Reduced the photos to thumbnail size. Created an economy section with references to Daylesford's economy and festivals which isn't complete and still reads too heavily like an advert. Added a transport section talking about major roads, with PT (bus routes) to be added in the future. Removed a massive section that just listed names of restaurants and hotels that had been added recently by anonymous users. Added a gallery to move one of the photos from the history section. Shumway (talk) 10:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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Tom Watt (ice hockey)

Tom Watt (born June 17, 1935) is a professional ice hockey scout for the Toronto Maple Leafs of the National Hockey League (NHL). Watt previously served as a coach in the NHL for 11 seasons, including seven as a head coach, and won the Jack Adams Award with the original Winnipeg Jets organization in 1981–82.

Early career
In 1964 Watt became the head of men's phys-ed at Monarch Park Secondary School in Toronto.

In 1965, he began a highly-successful 15-season stint as head coach at the University of Toronto of the CIAU (Canadian Inter-University Athletic Union), where he had also played during his undergraduate studies. Under Watt's guidance, the University of Toronto's Varsity Blues men's ice hockey team hockey teams captured 11 conference titles and nine CIAU championships.

Returning in 1984–1985 between his NHL tenures in Winnipeg and Vancouver, he replaced NHL-bound Mike Keenan, and was later honoured by Ontario Universities Athletics in 1992.

Professional coaching career
Watt broke into the NHL coaching ranks as an assistant coach with the Vancouver Canucks in 1980–81 season. His first NHL head coaching experience came with the Winnipeg Jets, whom he guided for two-plus seasons (1981 to 1984). In 1981–82, Watt helped the Jets to a 48-point improvement in the standings, and was named Coach of the Year, winning the Jack Adams Award for his efforts.

He held the positions of head coach and assistant general manager with the Canucks for two seasons beginning in 1985–86. Watt was then an assistant coach with the Calgary Flames from 1988 to 1990, including the Stanley Cup-winning 1989 club. In 1990, he was hired in as an assistant coach with the Toronto Maple Leafs, and took over as head coach just 12 games into the 1990–91 NHL season. After two seasons behind the Maple Leafs' bench, he served within the Toronto organization as director of professional development in 1992–93 and director of pro scouting in 1993–94. Watt then became the head coach for the Leafs' farm club, the St. John's Maple Leafs of the American Hockey League (AHL) for two seasons beginning in 1994–95.

Watt spent 1997–98 season as head coach of the Sudbury Wolves of the Ontario Hockey League (OHL), returning the Wolves to the playoffs after a three-year absence.

In 1999–2000, Watt returned to the NHL as a development coach for the Flames organization. Watt then joined the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim in January 2001 as special assignment scout. On July 24, 2001, he was named an assistant coach for the Mighty Ducks prior to reassignment the following year. Watt joined the Florida Panthers on August 16, 2005, as a pro scout. In September 2008, Watt returned to the Maple Leafs as a pro scout.

International
Watt's international experience with Team Canada includes two Olympic games, two World Hockey Championships and three Canada Cup assistant coaching assignments.

Honours
Watt was inducted as an honoured member into the Etobicoke Sports Hall of Fame on October 20, 2005.

Tom Watt was inducted as an honoured member into the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame on March 29, 2022.

In 1971, Watt also wrote a "best seller" book on "How to Play Hockey", and 52 years later, people still have an interest in this book, which sells on various websites.

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La Sarre

La Sarre is a town in northwestern Quebec, Canada, and is the most populous town and seat of the Abitibi-Ouest Regional County Municipality. It is located at the intersection of Routes 111 and 393, on the La Sarre River, a tributary of Lake Abitibi.

In addition to La Sarre itself, the town's territory also includes the community of Bienvenu, located along Route 111 west of the La Sarre River.

History
Before colonization, the area was home to the indigenous Algonquin who called the place Wabakin, from wàba and akin meaning "there is a mountain of hardwood", and called the La Sarre River Adikameg Sibi, which was also identified as Amikitik.

The first white settlers, six in number, settled as squatters on the land in the late 19th century and were discovered during the survey of the township in 1908. Real colonization began at the time when the National Transcontinental Railway running through the Abitibi region was completed. The first permanent pioneer family arrived in 1912, followed by more settlers and development drawn to the area for its mining, forestry, and agricultural potential, and resulted in the formation of the settlement. In 1915, the post office opened, and a year later, the La Sarre Township was proclaimed, named after the La Sarre Regiment that was recognized for its part in the Battle of Carillon and the capture of Fort Oswego. In 1917, the Township Municipality of La Sarre was established, the same year as the Parish of Saint-André-de-la-Sarre. The Hudson's Bay Company opened a post in 1932, and only operated until 1941.

In 1937, the village separated from the township and was incorporated as the Village Municipality of La Sarre. It gained town (ville) status on 17 August 1949. In April 1980, the town and township municipality merged to form the current municipality.

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, La Sarre had a population of $7,358$ living in $3,493$ of its $3,698$ total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of $7,282$. With a land area of 148.36 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

Economy
The main local resource is the forest, which covers over 4700 km2 and provides lumber to the town's main employers Norbord and Tembec, as well as agriculture, with over 60% of its land under cultivation. The mining industry, together with small service sector businesses, complements the economy. The area's flying needs are served by La Sarre Airport.

Municipal council

 * Mayor: Yves Dubé
 * Councillors: Sébastien Bélisle, Louis Côté, Steve Fontaine, Réjean Fournier, Richard Mailloux, Renée Thiboutot

List of mayors
Former mayors of La Sarre were:

 * Adélard Cousineau 1917
 * Félix Brousseau 1919
 * Léonidas Boisvert 1920
 * Hormidas Gauthier 1921–23
 * Jules Lavigne 1923–31
 * Edmond Mercier 1931–33
 * Oscar Létourneau 1933–36
 * Adrien Mercier 1936–39
 * Gustave Rheault 1939–41
 * Paul Bélanger 1941–44
 * G. Eugène Lambert 1944–47
 * Arthur Fortin 1947
 * Fernand Doyon 1947–48
 * Gérard Mercier 1948

 * François-Xavier Martel 1948–51
 * Gérard Mercier 1951–53
 * Adélard Pelletier 1953–55
 * Clément Déry 1955–63
 * Hector Gagné 1963–68
 * Roger Cousineau 1968–69
 * Yves Baltazard 1969–72
 * Raymond Thibault 1972–77
 * Paul-Aurèle St-Pierre 1977–92
 * Guy Carignan 1992–93
 * Guillaume Marquis 1993–96
 * J-Horace Lessard 1996–2003
 * Normand Houde 2003–2017
 * Yves Dubé (2017–present)

Climate
La Sarre has a borderline humid continental climate (Köppen Dfb), close to a subarctic climate (Dfc). Winters are very cold and snowy, with an annual snowfall of 2.47 m, although thaws due to inflows of warm air from the southeast can raise temperatures above freezing and on 6 February 1988 temperatures rose to a remarkable 20.5 C. The hotter half of the year is pleasantly warm, though it can rain frequently.

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