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Ron Necciai

Ronald Andrew Necciai [NEH-chai], (born June 18, 1932), is a former Major League Baseball starting pitcher who played with the Pittsburgh Pirates in the 1952 season. He batted and threw right-handed.

Necciai is best remembered for the unique feat of striking out 27 batters in a nine-inning game, which he accomplished while playing with the Class-D Appalachian League team, the Bristol Twins, on May 13, 1952. He is the only pitcher ever to do so in a nine-inning, professional-league game.

Minor League career
Necciai pitched two seasons of Class-D baseball before being drafted in the Pirates' farm system in 1952 at age 19. He was assigned to pitch for the Bristol Twins, the Pirates' Appalachian League team. On May 13, pitching despite painful stomach ulcers, Necciai struck out 27 batters while throwing a 7–0 no-hitter against the Welch Miners. Four of the Welch hitters did reach base, via a walk, an error, a hit batsman and a passed ball charged to Twins' catcher Harry Dunlop on a swinging third strike. This resulted in a four-strikeout ninth inning. Only two batters put the ball in play: Robert Ganung grounded out to first base in the fourth inning, while Frank Whitehead got on base on an error in the ninth.

In his next start, Necciai threw a 24-strikeout two-hitter.

In that season he struck out 109 hitters in 43 innings with Bristol, and a Carolina League-high 172 in 126 innings at Burlington before quickly climbing the ranks of the organization and eventually getting called up to the Major Leagues amid heavy publicity in August 1952.

Major League career
At 20 years old, Necciai posted a 1–6 record with 31 strikeouts and a 7.08 earned run average in 54$2⁄3$ innings pitched from August 10 to September 28, 1952, the single season comprising his entire Major League Baseball career.

Later years
Necciai served a brief stint in the United States Army in 1953 before being released on a medical discharge. He returned to baseball thereafter, but was plagued by injuries resulting from his long-standing battle with stomach ulcers and further debilitation from a torn rotator cuff. He spent the years between 1953 and 1955 in various lower levels of professional baseball, but was ultimately unable to overcome injuries. He later began a successful career in the sporting goods industry.

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I have reverted First Amendment to the United States Constitution back to the compromise version posted by DESiegel at 16:56, Feb 24, 2005. I have placed a discussion regarding the differing views regarding the content that should appear on this page on the article's talk page. Please view this page and the discussion there prior to making any substantive changes to this page. I am attempting to resolve this dispute with DESiegel's compromise version, and hopefully avoid formal dispute resolution (ie. page protection, mediation, arbitration, etc.). (sent to all users editing the article since Feb 10, 2005: user_talk:DESiegel, user_talk:Pythagoras, user_talk:Kenj0418, user_talk:66.169.84.88, user_talk:68.209.177.180, user_talk:205.210.232.62) Kenj0418 07:03, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Prior restraint
I believe you're the author of most of the content in this article. I recently rewrote Censorship in the United States without being aware of the content in prior restraint. The U.S.-specific content in prior restraint should probably be merged into Censorship in the United States. In the meantime I added a "see also" wikilink. Mirror Vax 01:39, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Having fun?
Well stop. -- Netoholic @ June 28, 2005 23:11 (UTC)

Failed TFD is not consensus for use --- it is just a lack of consensus to delete. Please stop using spoiler-other, because you can just as easily use spoiler-about and say the same thing effectively. -- Netoholic @ June 28, 2005 23:18 (UTC)

It is surely not consensus for non-use. I intend to continue to use it where it seems appropriate, and if you change these uses simply to make a point about about your preference for spoiler-about, to revert thsoe changes. DES 28 June 2005 23:28 (UTC)

 * That's silly. Just help me keep the template space as simple to use as possible.  There are too many random templates already.  -- Netoholic @ June 28, 2005 23:49 (UTC)

 * I disagree. I think that, while you can often do the sme thing with a carefully worded spoiler-about, spoiler other is a valuable tool in the proper circumstnces. i want it in my toolbox, and i intend to use it ehan i think it is appropriate. If you alter those uses solely to make a point that you dislike spoiler-other I will revert you. i now must go to the bother of puttign every page wher i use spoiler-other on my watch list. Why are you putting me and all of us through this? DES 28 June 2005 23:53 (UTC)
 * For all the new users coming here, so they have a simpler environment. -- Netoholic @ June 29, 2005 00:27 (UTC)
 * I really don't think "choice of three, explained on a good doc page" is significantl;y harder than "choice of two". In any case, the consensus seems to be against you. DES 29 June 2005 00:56 (UTC)

 * It isn't a good doc page (stricly speaking, my formatting changes made it more clear), and the distinction between the spolier-X templates is far too subtle and unimportant. -- Netoholic @ June 29, 2005 02:13 (UTC)

 * You've stated the above belief countless times, but you've yet to explain why your opinion should override a contrary consensus. What was the purpose of initiating a formal TfD process if you didn't intend to respect the outcome (unless it was the other outcome)?  —Lifeisunfair 29 June 2005 03:06 (UTC)

CSD proposal
Hi there! I was wondering about your comment re:bands and clubs about other ways of asserting significance. Could you give an example please? Yours, Radiant_ >|< July 4, 2005 19:22 (UTC)
 * That is correct. Ouch. Several weeks of discussion and nobody mentioned point five and six on bands. Okay, since the proposal has been up for a very short time, I'll reword it to include all of WP:MUSIC and contact the voters about it. Point five is easy to add; would you agree that point six is impossible without attracting media attention? If not, please give me a hand in suitable wording. Yours, Radiant_ >|< July 4, 2005 21:04 (UTC)

Block
Hi there, I've unblocked that IP now. Sorry you ran into that message, but we've been having lots of vandals coming from AOL recently. Thanks. Fuzheado | Talk 5 July 2005 04:00 (UTC)

 * Re: an autounblocking, that's an intriguing idea. I'll have to think about whether it would work as a feature request. I could see that it would weaken the vandal fighting ability, because if there was an active vandal, someone logging in legitimately from the same proxy/IP would consistently unblock it, which would take away a crucial capability for the admins. Fuzheado | Talk 5 July 2005 04:15 (UTC)

By chance I came across your user ID in relation to problems with autoblocking and AOL. This happens to me regularly. There has been some discussion of solutions, and your ideas would be welcome. Please see my user page -- User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection -- for a history of my experience and the comments of administrators. Thank you for your interest in this problem. WBardwin 06:13, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Possibly.
I'll concede the point entirely if a style guideline is created that makes people use that under the lead section. However, there is now a problem of the heading underline cutting the TOC, making it look unprofessional. If these things can be sorted I will drop all my objections to the template, and apologise for losing perspective on the whole issue. - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 04:06 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopædia Britannica
You wrote, on the talk page: I removed a manually inserted Category:Possible copyright violations from the article. If someone thinks this article indeed violates a copyright, tag it with the copyvio template. -Poli 07:54, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC) You might have let me know, since I made it quite clear why i had inserted the tag rather thn the full template. But since you insist, the template will be used. DES 4 July 2005 23:34 (UTC)

 * I did post it in the article's talk page, I suppose I should have posted it on your talk page, too. Well, the process for possible Copyright violation problems in Copyright_problems makes it clear that the ((copyvio)) template should be used. Manually inserting the category was only half-way on the process and got no solution within the 11 days it remained that way. Only minutes after you tagged it with ((copyvio)), the talk page had 2 comments about it, and it was removed, as you can see in the article's talk page. The copyvio makes it much easier to find.-Poli 2005 July 5 04:10 (UTC)

TOCright
I personally think the current version of Terri Schiavo is one of the best examples of the proper use of {TOCright}. Hope you agree.--ghost 5 July 2005 05:47 (UTC)

Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3
PBurka pointed out that an important omission from this proposal: a band could meet WP:MUSIC criterion #5 (sharing a member with a famous band) and still be speedily deletable by this criterion. I've added a sentence to the proposal to reflect this: it now reads ''An article about a musician or music group that does not assert having released at least one album, nor having had media coverage, nor having a member that is or was also part of a well-known music group. If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to VFD instead.'' Please consider if you support this new wording, and change your vote accordingly. Yours, Radiant_ >|< July 5, 2005 10:00 (UTC)

duplicated content
Hi - For some time I've been trying to help chase down how articles end up getting duplicated, as happened recently by this edit of yours. Do you remember exactly what happened? I think there's generally an edit conflict window involved, but if you could remember exactly what you did afterwards (perhaps copy, paste, back button, etc.) it would be very helpful. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) July 5, 2005 18:02 (UTC)

 * I have several times, including I think that edit, made an edit and gotten a "no response from the wikiserver" message. After that I usually click "back", and find my changes still on the screen, when i usually click save again (after copying my text to a local file in case of loss). Sometime i then get an edit conflict, at least once apparently with myself. When I do i make sure that my edits are properly included in the upper edit box, and click save again. i admit that i havn't been checking if the upper box includes a double copy of the page or section. Most of the time this has happened has been on section edits, but than by far the most part of my edits are section edits.DES 5 July 2005 18:26 (UTC)

Image:The Dark Tower.jpg
You asked if Image:The Dark Tower.jpg was a bookcover. It is, for The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower by Stephen King. DarkTower.net states at the bottom of its page "All trademarks and copyrights owned by their respective owners. Visitor-submitted comments are owned by the individual who provided them. All other contents copyright © 1997 - 2005 TheDarkTower.net. All rights reserved. Please read our privacy policy. Interested parties can read the colophon. All excerpts from The Dark Tower are copyright © Stephen King." Endlessmug 05 July 2005 18:08 (UTC)

Image:Skheadshot.jpg
Image:Skheadshot.jpg is from stephenking.com and it is his press photograph from the "press bio & photograph" section. Here is a link the source page. I've seen that picture (and the original photo on the king page) in many of his books as well as other places (idk if that helps or not). Endlessmug 05 July 2005 18:08 (UTC)

Recent changes on Template talk:Merge
You made an edit with no edit summery. When i did a diff, it shownd the only change beign the removal of gkhan's remarks, it did not show them being inserted eslewhere. It also did not show any new commetns from you. Either the diff was in error or I mis read it badly, or possibly your edit didn't do what you intended it to do. Sorry. i should have checked with you and assumed good faith. DES 6 July 2005 17:10 (UTC)

 * This is the "diff" page that you referenced. Please scroll down.

 * I didn't include an edit summary, because I posted replies in two different sections. I'm sorry if this contributed to the confusion.

 * I accept your apology, but I was aware of the fact that you made an honest mistake (and didn't intend to remove my comments.) No worries.  :-)  —Lifeisunfair 6 July 2005 17:30 (UTC)

Stop
Stop with the trolling and tattling, and grow up. You're more interested in harassing me than anything else. -- Netoholic @ 7 July 2005 17:27 (UTC)

 * None of my comments on this proposal, nor on your actions can properly be desceibed as "trolling". And when a person under mentorship for, among other things, actig provacatively and precipitiously and not communicating enough with the community makes what I think is an improper revert on a project page, then politely calling this to the attention of a mentor is hardly "tattling" in any improper sense. If Raul or the other mentors don't want to hear about things like this let them say so, and i won't bother them again. Letting other people involved in the situation know what is going on is hardly "tattling" in any sense that I would feel a need to avoid.
 * I have not been "harassing" you. I have not been following your contribution log, nor visiting pages because you did something to them. I have been involved in both the CSD proposal and the Template:TOCright discussion on there on merits, and i was involved in both before I was aware of your participatiuon. I do disagree with soem of the substantive positions you have made, but only because I hold other veiws honistly, not because they are opposed to your views. I do feel you acted imporperly on the revert. You may well have a case that new proposals should not be added after the vote has started. taht could be debated, and if there is a general agreement on that point I will accept it. I don't think that is nearly as clear-cut a reule as you seem to think. But even if it is, I don't think the way you dealt with the situation was a good idea. DES 7 July 2005 19:58 (UTC)

 * My mentor has spoken, and said the edit summary alone was enough communication on my part. Now, leave me alone.  -- Netoholic @

CSD proposal
Hi there! Regarding your suggestions... I've been thinking about them. There are three things wrong with the original proposal. The first is that it would technically apply to any speedy criterion, including patent nonsense and vanity. Your rewording fixes that. The second is that it is written as a limiting amendment to other proposals. That is a problem because it means that all people who voted on those earlier proposals might not get what they voted on. The third is that, technically, it's not a criterion for speedy deletion since there is a waiting period. So I'm going to reword it a bit to make it stand on its own. Thanks for your feedback, and if you have concerns please tell me. Yours, Radiant_ >|< July 7, 2005 18:07 (UTC)
 * Okay, done. Please check it! Radiant_ >|< July 7, 2005 18:46 (UTC)

CSD P1 redirect
''You just changed the redirect on Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/P1 in suich as way as to make it point to the revcised proposal P1B. P1 is still a live proposal, please don't hide it by accident. There have been so many reverts in this area that I don't want to simply revert your change here. DES 7 July 2005 21:14 (UTC)''
 * I only pointed it at where its target redirect (then Expeditious deletion) went - janitorial work, nothing more. I have no opinion where the redirect should point, so long as it's not a non-functional double. —Cryptic (talk) 7 July 2005 21:37 (UTC)

Image:Skheadshot.jpg
He didn't. Feel free to remove the tag if you want. The template states "It is believed..." -- so nothing is set in stone here. I just figured, when you put a picture on the open web, under a url with your name in it, you probably use the materials on the website to to sell more books and you'd expect your picture to be copied on the web. If I had the time, I'd type some letter to the webmaster. I think Wikipedia has a template for stuff like this--Muchosucko 21:15, 12 July 2005 (UTC) (copied here from my user page)

Wheel of Time
Look at the timestamp. I'm just getting started. :) —Lowellian (talk) 23:48, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

True History
The link you gave me for book categories was red. You're right, I think the book's designation as "crime" is subjective. Is there one for historical fiction?

Lapsed Pacifist 01:59, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

If you want to revert it, I'll leave it alone.

Lapsed Pacifist 02:18, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Aubrey-Maturin
You're welcome, and thank you for putting in all the work to pull this together. I just made a fairly major change to the linking -- hope it meets with your approval. I'm double-checking the date policies, since I see you removed some that I added back in. I might post a change shortly, if I was clearly wrong.--SarekOfVulcan 02:14, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see you already re-fixed the dates. Sorry.

Template:Advert
Since advertising is not a speedy criterion, and this template is promoted for usage on several people's toolkit templates, I've reworded it to become a cleanup template instead. Please consider if you wish to change your vote on WP:TFD now that the template has changed. Radiant_ >|< 08:28, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the input regarding the stub tag at the Sam Seder article. I'll remove the stub tag. =) ZachsMind 11:21, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

WPSS-cat
I will wait for the input of the template's creator, since the usual is for templates such as these to be discussed for some time before they are implemented, something which did not happen in this case. The message you posted on the Talk page is suitable, and we can carry on the discussion there. Cheers. --Sn0wflake 22:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Epilepsy
A ceiling fan is a prime suspect all right. The speed at which it revolves will mean that the light behind it will flash through the blades at a one twentieth of a second sometimes. That is the sort of speed needed to trigger off an attack. I certainly would strongly advise to place fans where no light is flashing near it (either natural light or a lightbulb). It is a classic example of a trigger of photosensitive epilepsy. Anything that reflects very fact movement and on-off-on-off light changes at a rapid pace is dangerous. I had a fit as a child and fell into a fire and got one of my feet very badly burnt. So I know how dangerous fits can be. (I also once punched a DJ in a niteclub who kept strobe lighting on for over a minute. I stormed up to his box, told him that he was quite literally endangering my life and that of everyone in the niteclub, and punched him in the face. The police were called. When I explained what had happened, they pointed out that he had broken the law and wanted to know if I wanted him charged with reckless endangerment!)

Fear ÉIREANN \(caint) 00:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad the police took a reasonable view of the matter. Thanks for the exchange, and I'm sorry if I came on too strongly. DES 00:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

reply
replied at Wikipedia_talk:Kick_the_ass_of_anyone_who_renominates_GNAA_for_deletion_before_2007.

 * I have already made appropriate comments on the appropriate pages. Read them.
 * I removed your VfU for identical reasons as above
 * Please take note of the warning at Wikipedia_talk:Votes_for_deletion that I posted earlier.

Sorry about being like this. It's kinda tricky. I'm doing my best ^^;;

Kim Bruning 02:54, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It is not to anyones advantage for this to be seen by a wider group at this point in time. Once again, see: ForestFire, this procedure is still applicable to wikipedia as far as I'm aware. Kim Bruning 02:57, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I am currently on irc, it might be a good idea to get your third opinion there. However, as far as I'm aware I'm following policy. I will also delete the RFC. You may at your option get a steward to temporarily de-admin me, or open an RFAr. However this might leave a rather sticky situation on-wiki with no admin looking after it. Please please PLEASE read ForestFire, and understand the implications before you proceed. Kim Bruning 03:05, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Please, stop calling attention to the forestfire. I want it to die out. We can discuss this at a later date. I'll also be glad to discuss details with you on my user talk or on irc right now too. Note that Forestfire supercedes CSD by quite a margin imho, as far as preventing damage to the wiki is concerned. Now please stop and think, before you act again. Thanks. Kim Bruning 03:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually there are (or were) at least 6 pages involved (not counting talk), and over 50 users , though depending on how you count, now over 8 pages, partially due to you I'm afraid. Please slow down and read carefully. Part of what causes a forestfire is overhasty reactions and a failure to think first. forestfire!=vandalism. As there have already been 3 long VFD flamewars spawned in quick succession, there is no reason to believe that these would not simply have carried through to undeletion. The other things you tried would give trolls handholds again. When there's a forestfire, try to keep things limited to a single page. Don't try to spread things out like you'd normally do. That's what caused the situation to start up in the first place, you see. Kim Bruning 03:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

To weigh in briefly, I tend to think that, although we want to keep the GNAA article, we can largely do without actual GNAA members. Not that we should actively drive them off. Just that we shouldn't treat them as lovable old coots who can be reformed. If they're being dicks, we should crack heads. Good show, Kim. Snowspinner 03:35, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * But but but but, I'm trying to be the *nice* person around here ^^;; Kim Bruning 03:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

So far as I can see, the people whose policy pages were deleted were long established editors here, not members of any vandal group. Am i mistaken? DES 03:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes and no, these people know me, and I know them, and we trust each others' judgement :-) . We've all been trying to reach the same objective dealing with a persistent troll+vandalism situation. I'm certainly going to do my best to talk with all of them by this evening (UTC) with a little luck. I'm sure there's some things I could have done better, and some things that I've done right. :-) Kim Bruning 03:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Bureacrats is ok, though I'm not sure what they can do. Personally I've been trying to find an arbitration committee member, to make sure I'm doing the right thing, but they're all in bed at this hour, I think. :-( Kim Bruning 03:48, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I think we've both been doing some quick reflex actions to cover perceived problems. Sometimes it can't be helped. I think the situation is mostly under control now. *cross fingers*. Thanks for letting me get some sleep :-) Kim Bruning 04:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Quick descision, long tail
I'm exhausted...., Ta bu shi da yu dropped by just a moment ago. I took the time to give him a quick timeline.

See User_talk:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu for details for now.

And now off to bed! Kim Bruning 04:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Bio-book-stub
Just a little thought about the stub text: I think it's a bit unwieldy (try reading it aloud, and not to speak of the double usage of biograph...); wouldn't it be easier just to say something to the extent of: "This article about a book which is either a biography or an autobiography is a stub...."? THX for creating the stub, anyway, great idea :) Lectonar 11:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Much better now; sorry to have bothered you ;-) Lectonar 06:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Yug Purush
I didn't create this article, I simply added the speedy delete template to it.

db tag
Thanks for the suggestion on the db tag. I'll make use of it now. ElBenevolente 00:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

VFDs
Could you please review how to correctly tag VFDs at WP:VFD especailly concerning the tag. Thanks! Sasquatch′↔T↔C 02:23, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Once you've created a vfd page, use ~ . It creates a nice header so that when you list it on the VFD log it doesn't cause any conflicts. Always glad to help out so if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask me. Regards! Sasquatch′↔T↔C 02:29, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

VFD for Tekken characters
Although I admire your determination to clean Wikipedia of unecessary pages, it seems to me you are not very knowledgeable about the history of Tekken's characters (correct me if I'm wrong). therefore, your reasoning that characters in a computer game (most would refer to it as a console game) do not need individual pages is, to say the least, ill-informed. its an insult for all the people who pored their hard work into these pages and, for the most part, provided good information for you to vote to blanket delete them all, even if you think you're doing the right thing. please read the articles you are voting to delete next time (again, correct me if I'm wrong), because if you did, you would find a wealth of information there spanning 6 major games that could not possibly fit coherently on a single List page. if you are able to revert your vote for delete, i urge you to do so. Bubbachuck 23:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Quit putting Tekken characters up for deletion! --Dangerous-Boy

Your deletion for Tekken characters was outline. Perhaps we should delete Soul calibur ones as well? --Dangerous-Boy

Actually a better place to bring this up is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer and video games which I have already done. --Dangerous-Boy

Frederica Santos
I disagree, I think that writing scientific papers is an indication of notability. Feel free to VfD it if you want. JYolkowski // talk 22:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

deletevanity
Yes, I was unaware of nn-bio because it was never listed on Template_messages/Deletion, so two IRC users and myself created the new template. As I understand the Wikipedia policy, Deletion_of_vanity_articles, articles that do not assert the notability of the subject are "vanity". I've considered rewording the template to deal with groups of people, like bands and so on.

I wouldn't mind redirecting to nn-bio, but I like the wording of the dv one better. I think I'll fix the wording of dv to adress the concern you brought up about bands and other groups, then copy that into nn-bio and redirect the others. --malathion talk 16:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

If not all people agree with the official policy, they should post their objections on the talk page of the policy and try to get it changed there. But until it is changed, it's policy elsewhere. I've voted in the TfD to keep the template. --malathion talk 16:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

{{blanking}}
Hi, DES. Just a thought, when a user blanks a VfD page, the best template to use is {{drmvfd}}, with {{drmvfd2}} and {{drmvfd3}} as followups. These have far more meaning for a VFD page! Cheers, [[smoddy ]] 16:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletions
First of all, let me be honest and preface this by mentioning that I was not totally in favor of the new Deletion of vanity articles criterion for speedy deletion. That said, the policy states that "articles where there is no remotely plausible assertion of notability should be considered." Otherwise, "If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to VFD instead."

I will admit that since I saw the VFD tag on Brandon Barnes that I automatically assumed it was borderline without reading them carefully. However, Matt Deckard is different because Fedoralounge.com and Lottaliving.com are real web sites and being a moderator on those forums could still be debatable whether or not they are significant. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

vfD
Hi. I see that you have spoken against Tony Sidaway and his "pro-school" cohorts. Would you agree that they have taken to bullying against school deletion voters too far? Look at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Gwinett_County_Public_Schools. I've been called a liar in no uncertain terms who deliberately misquotes, when I obviously did not, and been painted in the worst possible light there. My only crime? Voting against schools. Oh, they thought it fair to remove what I say when I stated very firmly that Tony is elitist, rude and blatantly misrepresenting me. This is getting unbearable and too political. Do you have any solutions against this? Please advise. Mandel 21:50, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * Maybe you're the wrong person to approach, since I just realized you stated that you've been in Wikipedia for a fairly short period. I've been in Wikipedia for some two years.  That Wikipedia has an "active policy that any actual school is inherently and automatically notable" is not true, rather it is an illusion that "school inclusionists" have created in their argument in order to mislead, basically newer Wikipedians, that they should vote in favor of school articles.  The guideline schools is inherently pro-school and has been criticized by many Wikipedians (see talk page). In the past, school articles have been treated on a case-by-case basis, stating that this school is notable, that is not, etc.  Some survive, some do not. Unfortunately, the case now is that any school article - substub, below-par writing - will survive, mainly because school inclusionists have multiplied themselves many times over (via sockpuppets?  I don't know).

 * Secondly, their rudeness is appalling. In the VfD, Tony Sidaway insults my intelligence palpably, and when I resort to arguing my case, a cohort of his m

inions swoop down to attack my statements. If this doesn't amount to bullying, I don't know what does. You probably seen something like this before. Stick longer and maybe you'll find out more. Mandel 22:50, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * Bah, mainly to find out if Tony Sidaway has been adopting the same attitude with others who voted against schools in VfD. Obviously you're not an admin - I know that.  From your remarks, it seemed you have been.  If you've voted for them or hasn't been harassed, then ignore my comments.  Keep up the good work at Wikipedia. Mandel 23:09, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

"TOCleftist and rightist"
Thank you for taking the time to explicate so carefully and even-handedly. You make me feel that I'm in the company of adults again. --Wetman 09:40, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

TOCright
''Why did you but the TfD tag back on TOCright less than a month after it was voted to be kept? DES 13:57, 31 July 2005 (UTC)''

 * Because Raul654 listed it on WP:TFD. —Cryptic (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Editing Help GOMS
Hello, you responded to my question. I figured you might get the message faster if I posted here. It's in GOMS, I was pretty done with thinking by then : ). Indo

Thanks
For trying to help me out. The John Ford thank you. --Maoririder 18:48, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

SfD
You missed at least one step, check the instructions for Stub_types_for_deletion again. (SEWilco 19:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC))
 * Oops, I missed the step you did. You indeed did add the templates to sfd-current.  (SEWilco 19:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC))

Speedy templates
Thanks for the tip. Will do! - Lucky 6.9 19:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Maoririder's templates
User:Maoririder has created even more templates than you already listed. You listed mountain-stub, Oregon-stub and Kansas-stub, but he has also created restaurant-stub (usable as a daughter of food-stub and corp-stub and as a split-off from food-corp-stub), fictional-place stub, MainePBS-stub, PBSKids-stub, Basketballbio-stub and Football-position stub. Aecis 17:46, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I have listed them for discovery. I don't know if they need to be deleted or cleaned up. I could use restaurant-stub (after clean-up ofcourse) in my efforts to clear out the categories for food-stub and corp-stub. Basketballbio-stub needs to be merged into hoopsbio-stub and Football-position into Amfootball-stub. MainePBS and PBSKids can be nominated for deletion. Fictional-place might have a place on Wikipedia, but I think that could best be discussed on the proposal page. Aecis 18:01, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * And another one: Knife-stub. Aecis 18:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

All of the templates of have done should be away to make them correct for use on Wikipedia. --Maoririder 18:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I like the idea of trying to be sensitive to this person's feelings, but disrupting the site? Heck, we have plenty of real trolls who can do that. :) I only wish that the light bulb finally comes on above Maoririder's head since cleaning up is really becoming a chore.  Sigh...we persist. - Lucky 6.9 18:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, aside from his knife-stub template, at any rate. Hopefully he can develop into a valuable contributer. We can but try. --Scimitar parley 18:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I'am really sorry everyone but templates really sorry and the articles need big cleanup and expansion. Sorry again hope we can all work together. --Maoririder 18:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Votes for deletion/Democratic Ideals
Hi. I see you are responding to the claim of 5 delete and 4 keep votes on Votes for deletion/Democratic Ideals. However, if you look there are 6 delete and 3 keep votes. You might assume that the rewrite comment was also a vote but 5 to 4 is inaccurate. (Wile did not bold his delete vote and it is getting overlooked. Also note that two of the users just started in July at the time of the voting.)-  Tεx  τ  urε  19:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You are hereby quoted. :) Thanks for the note.  I'm actually less concerned about the rewrite vote and more about the possible sock-puppets.  I'm inclined to believe the deleting admin verified votes prior to deletion.  Either way just wanted to have the facts out there. -  Tεx  τ  urε  20:20, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Vorkosigan Saga Inconsistencies
I wasn't intendign to shout. That was a typo, or perhaps i should say thinko. I usually start VFD page entries with a bolded vote, so I automatically typesd thre quotes at the start, then i decided to put my comment before my vote for once and failed to remove the bold makrup at the start. Sorry. DES (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

 * My edit summary which you are referring to wasn't meant seriously, hence the smiley :). Thue | talk 20:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Robert Diamond VfD
"Are you sure your vote on this VfD was what you meant to write?".
 * I screwed up. I've changed my vote to keep, which was what I really meant. Thanks for pointing that out! -Splash 20:33, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

TOC Discussion
''The default is thst the TOC appears after the lead section, and before all other sections, left aligned, with whitespace to the right of it. By using TOCleft or TOCright it is possible to have a "floating" ToC, where the article text wraps arround a left-aligned or right-aligned TOC. We are hoping to develop consensus for an MoS entry on when and how to use, and when not to use, these templates.''

Thanks for clarifying. Is this proposed as a new option for users to select in their Preferences, OR as a change to the current Preferences default? Or is the vote whether to keep the templates available instead of them being deleted? Or is the vote whether to keep the additions to the MoS instead them being deleted? As soon as I understand I promise I'll vote :) -- Sitearm | Talk 17:35, 2005 August 5 (UTC)

Voting done -- Sitearm | Talk 17:58, 2005 August 5 (UTC)

TfD closures
Hi, I replied on my talk page Dan100 (Talk) 15:17, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Replied back on my page Dan100 (Talk) 15:37, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * ...you can probably guess Dan100 (Talk) 16:07, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Undeleted. My laptop battery is about to die so I'll sort the archives out later Dan100 (Talk) 16:21, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Template:DeleteBecause
While I understand your reasoning behind moving the template, it might have been more prudent to discuss the move before breaking quite a number of pages put up for speedy under that template. For the time being, I have recreated the template at the original name so that we don't have to fish through the articles looking for those that were broken. You might also want to note that the template your moved is named specifically on the WP:SD page. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 20:09, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, I hadn't seen the TfD discussion on nn-bio. I still think its an incredibly clunky change though.  What I was referring to as broken was any page were the DB template had been used; they all displayed 1. Redirect db-reason.
 * Thanks for fixing it! I know I have a lot more to learn about the way the software works; I wasn't aware that you could redirect a template and still have it operate, so I didn't think to look for the double-redirect.  .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 20:36, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

templates
DES,

You shouldn't rename or move templates: Create standardly-named redirects if you want to. All alternative names should redirect to one template, it doesn't matter what it is called. By moving things around you then create double redirects and cause an unnecessary pain in the arse. Dunc|☺ 23:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

More on templates
Well, I'm just as happy whatever the main template is called, as long as I can use dv. :-) Thanks for keeping me updated. --malathion talk 23:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Delete
Hello, DES. After review of the relevant discussion (I admit, I only scanned through it last time), I feel that this should undergo community debate first. I would recommend posting it on the Village Pump, and wait for replies at Template talk:Delete. We'll see what happens after a week or so. How's that sound? BTW, what are you proposing it be moved to? Template:Db-db? Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 00:02, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

renames of speedy deletion templates
Now that the TfD on nn-bio has been closed I have renamed all the speedy deletion templates to names that start with "db-" as discussed in that TfD discussion. I have also cleaned up all double redirs and fixed all coumentation pages I know of. The only template not conforming is delete because it is currently protected. I hope this meets your concerns in this matter. DES (talk) 23:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, much less confusing right now. I think it's better to keep Template:delete as it is, since it's a bit of a special case. I would have also left Template:deletebecause or renamed it to Template:db, but the current name of Template:db-reason isn't that bad. --cesarb 00:38, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Maoririder RfC
I've initiated a Request for Comment concerning Maoririder that can be found here. Thought you might be interested. --Scimitar parley 18:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Templates in Templates
In general, (we talked briefly about this on IRC a while ago), you should avoid templated in templates as it causes unnessacery server strain. If there was a template within a template, (e.g. the one db-repost before I changed it), when you type in db-repost or a shortcut to it, it first has to go into the database to find that template to show the text. Now since in itself is an another template, it then has to go into the database AGAIN to fetch that template. This extra step is completely unessacery and just slows down Wikipedia. Although I won't totally object to using templates in templates, when it is not needed, I suggest you avoid it. And the text is not that hard to edit (i.e. if you don't know how to edit it, ask someone else to). Again, just trying to save server strain. Sasquatch ↔讲↔看 19:56, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

MoS
Regarding your most recent change to the MoS, I want to thank you for being willing to engage in the spirit of compromise. Nohat 19:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Wooops !
I know, I just missed it ;) Thanks for correcting me friend :)

P.S. thanks for the note on deleting msgs. I was aware of this for criticism, but since I don't think your message was in the cathegory, I rm'd it. If you want to restore it go ahead, by all means :)

--Raistlin 17:58, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

hi there. thanks for the note before. my page on Edward P. L. Tsang and addition on Utility Computing were removed. I guess there is a steep learning curve to put stuff on wikipedia, i will take my time to learn about it when I can. But for now, I better finish my thesis before attempting to contribute again. The other guy didn't seem to appreciate that I was trying, and just deleted it right out. Anyway, good and bad of open source effort, i guess.

TOCright
I was going to ask you to check whether I had done things correctly when I closed the TOCright vote at the MOS, because I could have sworn that you were an admin because of your behavior, but I see that you're as new as me. Anyways, good work like this will make you an admin very soon, so keep it up. :) Whenever you get a Request for Adminship, tell me and count me in. --Titoxd 22:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Edward P. L. Tsang
Thanks for that, I erred on the side of caution and restored it, though i doubt it will survive for long. Martin (Bluemoose) 23:04, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I am doing a lot of reading now and preparing to update the page on Utility Computing which will put this page into context. I am modifying the summary of my thesis to use for the page. Just trying to learn how to "wikify" the Utility Computing page, should be ready real soon.

Roman the Great
'''Before the birth date you listed "a." Did you mean this to stand for "about"? the wikipedia standard is to use "c." for circa. Dit it apply to the birth date only or to both dates.'''

Yes I meant "circa" and it applies only for the birth date.

'''You wrote "Roman Mstyslavych was reputed by victory hikes against Polovtsi in 1197-1198, 1201 and 1204". I don't know what this means -- did he defeat the Polovtsi, or was rumored to ahve doe so, or did he gain reputation for doing so, or what?'''

He gained reputation for having defeated the Polovtsi.

'''You wrote "He lived mostly in peace with Hungary and Poland, won uneasy neighbours." this doesn't make sense as written do you mean that his realtions with Hungary and Poland were uneasy, although mostly peaceful?'''

He lived in peace with Hungary and Poland but also won battles and territories against other peoples neighbour to him.

Bogatyr

Hike
I mean "a victorious campaign" !

Hike = campaign in my text.

Sorry for my bad English language ! :)

Tip
Thank you for the tip, It's been a long time I was wondering how people do to sign and show the time etc.

Now I know :

Bogatyr 16:24, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Dust bag
Hi. That was some bizarre, rambling kiddie-wiki. Why it's being undeleted, I have no idea. Kappa, to his credit, tries to include things...but NoPuzzleStranger is stalking my edits left and right. Check out his vote at "Monique deMoan" to see what I mean. - Lucky 6.9 17:04, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

lol
This nearly killed me. It's exactly the correct response of course, and I was contemplating doing it when I saw you did. Previously undetected garbage on WP is no argument for letting more garbage through. But hell you deserve a humor barnstar.— Encephalon |  ζ  |  Σ  02:28:51, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

GEO
I'll have to take a look as to how. The original entry was nothing more than something like "Geo is a Pakistani television channel" without so much as a period. - Lucky 6.9 18:45, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Should be OK now. Nice save. :) - Lucky 6.9 18:54, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure. Someone else first tagged it as an A1, but I'm glad it was resurrected as something that's actually useful. Wish the original poster would have added more, but oh well. Gots ta run. See you 'round the Wiki! - Lucky 6.9 19:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

APL
Oh! An APL programmer! Someone to whom I can tell my APL joke, without first having to explain what APL is.

ahem

What does one APL programmer say to the other?

Guess what THIS does!

DS 11:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Fictional characters
I just want to get this straightened out before the categories get moved. I'm good with moving Category:Literary characters to Category:Characters in written fiction, and I thought this was going to be the way we were going to go for its subcats. For instance you nominted Category:Literary science fiction characters and suggested moving it to Category:Characters in written science fiction. I'm good with this too because it follows the same format; however, I'm not sure about Category:Literary fantasy characters being moved to Category:Fantasy characters (written). I guess I'm ok with it, but I thought something more like Category:Characters in written fantasy fiction is more along the lines of what we were going for? Tell me which you want. At this point, I don't really care, I'm just making sure I don't have to do this twice :) K1Bond007 20:05, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can do, which sounds and looks a lot better. K1Bond007 20:26, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

going live
Hiya,

The discussion seems to have gone all quiet on the proposed styles solution, though I have tried to get it going again. There is from what was said a clear consensus on using this solution. I'm going to start putting in the papal box to see if it will work. Is that OK with you?

FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:59, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Of course. Its at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies)/Style War proposed solution.

Adminship
David, why, may I ask, are you not an admin yet? It's high time you were, this place needs people like you to have keys. You can count me in for a strong support vote if you or someone else makes a move to nominate. And I hope that happens sooner rather than later. Cheers— Encephalon | ζ  12:38:48, 2005-08-19 (UTC)
 * Ah. So you have a history, do you? Lol. But David, that really shouldn't matter; most administrators and editors have the maturity to look past differences in policy views and recognize administrative talent when they see it. I wouldn't sell your article edits short, either. You may not have written entire articles yourself, but one does not have to be a Geogre to be an admin. Of your 3491 edits, 1310 have been to the article space; it is, in fact, the space you have most contributed to, by far. I will not nominate you myself; although I've used and been familiar with WP for ages and ages, I have only very recently signed up and therefore a nomination from me is unlikely to be viewed as an influential show of support — something which can be important in these things. But when someone does, you can count on a vote from me. Regards— Encephalon | ζ  01:48:00, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much for cleaning up and wikifying my articles. I was looking for more information on that subject, and forgot to fix things up a little.Johann Wolfgang 01:45, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Whatsername
This entry was deleted because is marked "nonsense" and I concurred. Furthermore, the next day it was deleted a second time by another admin. The short text began with 'Whatsername is a fictional character in the Green Day album American Idiot. Whatsername becomes involved with St. Jimmy...' and ended with, if I recall well, 'whathisname'. Such a content is normally termed as nonsense, unless it has an encyclopedic significance. If so, it should be expanded and brought to the expected standards. If you want to do this, I can always restore this article. But in its present state, it should stay deleted. I hope you can concur with my view. JoJan 16:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry
Im sorry for the misunderstanding. However, at the state in which the 'article' was in, it did qualify as 'nonsense'. To avoid further misunderstandings, please do not save pages until you are finished writing, or simply leave a note in the edit history or something. OK? Anyway sorry again.

 * You see this as an article:

Thoughts on various subjects, moral and diverting A fine tract by Johnathan Swift, a master of satire.

 * and you are telling me that you wouldnt think of it as nonsense?

The first thing that would come to anyone's mind is "what is this?". "What are they talking about?", especially as Wikipedia is so susceptible to users testing or creating foolishness. I reiterate, though, Im sorry for the simple misunderstanding. Are we cool?

Maoririder RfAr
I've begun writing a draft of an arbitration request at User:Satori/MaoriRfAr. I know you've followed this, and if you'd like to make any changes or additions, or to add your name to the initiating party, please feel free to to do. I intend to post it to Requests for arbitration tomorrow morning, PDT. -Satori 22:53, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I've made changes to the draft according to your suggestions. If you have a minute, take a look and see if you think anything else needs to be changed or added. Thanks for your help! -Satori 15:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

ECommerce Best Practices
You put this on VfD, and it is indeed a blatent ad. It is also a copyvio from the corporate site, and I have listed it as such. Btw, please remember to Subst vfd. Thanks for spotting this one. DES (talk) 05:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice catch, I must have forgotten to google it. Thanks.
 * As for substing VfD, despite lots of discussion I still haven't found any convincing arguments for it. The server load argument is no stronger for VfD templates than any other, and I doubt how effective it is against detagging (and I watch my VfDed pages anyway). On the balance, I prefer the labour-saving of not typing the extra subst:. --fvw *  05:44, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * You are welcome.
 * On subst -- VfD pages are rather frequently viewed, but particualrly are frequently edited compared to most pages, and this increases the load effect of templates, as I understand it. Furthermore, the subst inserts the html comment warning against de-tagging. This will not stop a malcious de-tagger or vandal, of course. But it may help educate a newbie, IMO. All that said, if you have considered the issues, it is your choice. i will subst and un-substed vfd when i happen to notice one. DES (talk) 05:52, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope, templates only get invalidated if the template itself is edited. Also, I'm not sure pages on VfD get that many hits; if we were to choose a template to subst in for performance reasons, my first choice would be template:current, as articles marked with that tend to get a lot of hits (and not just from us behind-the-scenes munchkins). You're welcome to edit my tagging mercilessly of course (just as I'm well within my rights to mercilessly split my infinitives). --fvw *  05:58, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Al Denson
Being a contemporary Christian music artist asserts notability, IMHO. There are few contemporary Christian music artists and many of them are notable, so I believe that such is an assertion of notability. At any rate, because the article survived, someone has expanded it to show that he is really quite notable. JYolkowski // talk 20:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Pressure 4-5
Any comments on this page ? Seems to me it is a candidate for Vfd, but I am not sure. Groeck 14:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Can you tell me how it should be a candidate for deletion when the band was on a major label (and released a full-length album), they were on Ozzfest, they were featured on MTV (and VH1) a number of times and the single "Beat The World" was on a top 100 chart. It hardly does not meet the criteria. Enfestid 19:05, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Press release containing information on Pressure 4-5 being on the modern rock and heatseeker album charts (in the top 50, no less): []. Enfestid 19:07, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Vfd trouble
continues to behave strangely with respect to VFD closings - in particular, relisting any discussion with less than five votes even if they all vote the same (e.g. here), thus unilaterally creating a quorum policy, except when he already agrees with the outcome e.g. here; closing 3del/3redir results as "keep"; and closing VFDs as keep when he in fact already merged or redirected the article. I believe this to be misleading at best, WP:POINT at worst. Any suggestions on how to deal with this? Radiant_ >|< 23:06, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Laptop class
Yeah, I was starting to have second thoughts about this one after I pulled the trigger. Thanks for pointing that out. I've restored it so it can be VfD'd. Off for now...talk to ya later. - Lucky 6.9 00:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

"Sockpuppet"
I tried not to bite that suspected sock too hard; sorry if it came off that way. I was trying to show more annoyance than anger. Thanks again. Owe ya two now. - Lucky 6.9 04:24, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Sir Harry Charles Luke
reg year links. fair enough. Usrnme h8er 06:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Funny, I just sat down to read the dates convention for names and found that the entry for Socrtes (only years known) doesn't agree at all with your editing of Sir Harry Charles Luke... I'm not personally fussed, I just noticed it now. Usrnme h8er 11:50, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

logged out
FYI, I have on a number of occasions when doing a long edit or retriving links from other pages (or just gettign up for a steach) been auto-logged-out, and only discovered this after clicking save and seeing that my four tildas expanded to an IP instead of my user name. It is easy for this to happen. DES (talk) 15:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I'd expect that. Would you, while unknowningly logged as an anon, fake a ~ for your logged in account? Twice on the same VfD from different IPs?  I think there is a 50% chance I'm wrong but it's just odd. -  Tεx  τ  urε  16:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I guess I misunderstood the situation. i might, if I realized I was loggd out and didn't want to bother to log back in, sign as "-DES". i wouldn't bother to create a link that looked like my noraml sig no. Of course, some users have dynamic IPs so the different IPs may mean nothing. DES (talk) 16:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Mirrors & IDs
[User: Felix Frederick Bruyns] I thank you for clearing up the problem about the pro-marjuana site. I would also like to ask if you know of anyone on the site who has a habit of hijacking other user's identities to mock them. Could it have been Moriori? Or was it someone else? If you don't know, could you guide me to someone who does? Thanks again.

 * Sorry, I don't know who might do this, nor who to ask. I would suggest posting this at WP:AN or the village pump or both. DES (talk) 14:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns Thank you for the tip. I sent a message to the administrators. By the way, do you know if there is a virus on Wikipedia?

Probably No Virus
--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns My A drive suddenly malfunctioned just after I returned to Wikipedia, and I had a disk in it while I was on Wikipedia. That, combined with my old quarrels with certain users made me suspect a virus, but I now think that it is just a coincidence. Thank you very much.

Important Question
--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns Moriori is causing me more and more problems, just as he did in 2004. Does he generally have a bad reputation on this site, or has he simply decided to make me his virtual punching bag? Thank you very much.

My Grievances Against Moriori: The Whole Story
--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns I have decided that I must tell the entire story about what Moriori has done to me. It is rather long and I apologize for that, but it cannot be helped. The problems began in mid-2004, slightly over a year ago. I was 19 years old, very ignorant about the technical aspects of Internet use and I knew nothing about Wikipedia policy. I stumbled across your free encyclopedia, however, and I decided that, having done intensive research on Negro League baseball, I would write a few articles in Wikipedia. I saw that registration was optional, and so I did not see any reason to bother with it. I was, I believe, assigned a number with colons in it. I wrote several articles on Negro Leaguers (which, in essentials, remain on Wikipedia today) and I did not take credit for them even though I didn't know of the Wikipedia policy against taking such credit, since I thought that they should be fully public domain and that the work was its own reward. My mother, however, said that my articles were of high quality and that I should in some way take credit for them. Not knowing of the policy against this, I simply typed "Author: Felix F. Bruyns" at the bottom of each article. That was when some confusion began. Some people believed that I was not "Felix F. Bruyns" and that I might have stolen the articles from someone by that name. Then my father suggested that I register under my own name (which is Felix F. Bruyns) to clarify the matter. I did so, but it was at about this time that the situation became ugly. I looked up some entertainers, among them Kylie Minogue, Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Drew Barrymore and Cary Grant. I knew nothing about the "point of view" policy at the time, but in retrospect they contained a libertarian and pro-pornography point of view. I am more conservative now than I was then, but even then I was shocked by the disrespectful and unprofessional nature of some of the articles. So, having the understanding that anyone was allowed to edit anyone else's work, I removed a few sentences from these articles and changed a few others. That was when the wrath of every anti-censorship Wikipedian seemed to descend on me. I was accused of "vandalism", called a "troll", told by Raul654 that he "political correctness is something I despise" (obvious POV motivation) and it was also Raul654 who accused me of "PC (political correctness) pushing". But another of my attackers stood out even more. Both Moriori and Raul654 called me a "troll" and Raul654 claimed that my articles on the Negro Leaguers were "far from original", but as bad as all of this was Moriori went a step further. He accused me of "copyvio" and demanded that I remove all of my articles from the site. This could have been an honest mistake because of the "Author: Felix F. Bruyns" confusion, but I came across one item that proved that Moriori was premeditated in his falsehoods. He specifically claimed that I had copied my article on Turkey Stearnes from the African American Registry. This was so far from the truth that it had to be a deliberate lie. The African American Registry's "born on this day" article on Turkey Stearnes doesn't even closely resemble mine, and the site was not even one of my sources of research on Stearnes. The timing of these accusations definitely suggests that Moriori's motives were political, but, of course, I cannot prove his motives. I presume that Moriori was fully familiar with the "keep your cool" policy, since he seemed far more experienced in Wikipedia than I was, but I was not. He and I exchanged a series of angry user talks. To be honest, we BOTH lost our tempers. He called me a "troll", accused me of vandalism, "copyvio" and demanded that I remove all of my articles from Wikipedia. In turn, irate over the obvious slander, I called him "a plague spot on Wikipedia" and demanded that he remove all of his articles from the site. I also made justified legal threats against him, unaware of the "no legal threats" Wikipedia policy. Although two or three users showed some sympathy for me, many more accused me of vandalism or otherwise sided with Moriori. I was so upset that I visited the New Zealand police website, but unfortunately, unlike some national police sites, they had no non-emergency e-mail. The last straw was when someone hijacked both my "Felix F. Bruyns" user page and a message board, claiming to be me and typing things like "You may think of me as a vandal, but I like to think of myself more as a dictator" and other such arrogant nonsense that I had nothing to do with whatsoever. I had no idea of how to deal with this sort of treatment, so I finally decided to leave the site in utter humiliation. A few months later I suffered a series of moderate illnesses (tonsilitis, facial swelling of unknown cause, etc...) and I was not on the Internet again until a couple of months ago. One of the first things that I did was to check if the slanderous references to me were still on the web, which they were. I decided that I would resume some editing and I re-registered with Wikipedia. Of course, since over a year had passed, I had long forgotten my old password so I registered under my full name "Felix Frederick Bruyns" with a new password. I looked up the article on Kylie Minogue, but at some point I became emotionally repulsed by its content (which had actually gotten worse) and that, combined with my old anger over the slanderous references to me in the archives (which I didn't know how to edit at that time), led me to write two imprudently angry (but neither illegal nor profane) messages, both of which were mostly the result of my ignorance about the archives and so forth. In these messages I castigated Wikipedia as a whole, and for this I apologize. It was wrong of me to overgeneralize based on a few articles or the abuse of a few users. If I have offended any of the administrators or other senior users of Wikipedia I am sincerely sorry. At the same time I think that you can understand, given my ignorance of nearly all Wikipedia policy and the treatment that I had received, why I felt very angry. I moderated my tone as I learned more about Wikipedia, but in some of my general complaints and requests I mentioned Moriori and what he had done to me in 2004. Well, he responded by lying about me (he claimed that I had accused him of spreading a virus, which is not true). He has twice quoted me out of context in our renewed online struggle, and of course we have exchanged insults. Finally, a message that I left on this very noticeboard was deleted, and I have every reason to believe that Moriori deleted it. To be fair, when I wrote the message I had forgotten something that I said in 2004, and so I accused him of misquoting me rather than quoting me out of context. I will copy this message, however, so that I can replace it if he deletes it. I am now "keeping my cool". I am not demanding anything from administrators or more experienced Wikipedians. I am making a humble request-in fact-I am pleading that someone will understand my side of the story and the wrongs that Moriori has committed against me. No matter what Moriori tells you or anyone else, every word of this post is the truth, so help me God. Will someone please help me? Thank you very much.

Second Confusion About Deletion
--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns I sent that long complaint against Moriori to the administrative noticeboard, and it was from there that an earlier message had been deleted. Then, because it was late at night (where I live) and the message was so long, I simply copied it and sent it several other places, forgetting the specific reference to the administrative board. Sorry for the mix-up. As for my past editing, I never tried to "censor" Wikipedia in the perjorative sense of trying to enforce my own point of view. All I did was try to edit out certain passages that I felt were not fully representative of the subjects or had a point of view of their own (although I didn't know the POV policy at that time). As for "help", I want to know what can be done against someone who accused me of copyright violation and continues to lie about me (arbitration, etc...). Raul654, by the way, may well have been deceived by Moriori, so I don't hold him as responsible for how I was treated. Sorry for the confusion, and thank you very much.

The Articles in 2004
--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns When I visited this site in 2004, the article on Jennifer Love Hewitt read, and I reluctantly quote, "references to her breasts cropped up" and there was actually a LINK to a website of some deviant fan specific to that part of Hewitt's anatomy. That was probably what shocked me the most back then. Even some fellow Wikipedians agreed with me on that one, though I doubt that Moriori did. I don't have too many objections to the current text on Kylie Minogue (though I do have a few); I am more concerned about the images. The article seems to mock her early, "girl next door" years and praise her "sexually aware" ones, but more importantly one of the images of her would probably be banned off primetime television (at least in the US). Back in 2004, however, the article on Minogue contained an entire "anatomical" paragraph and an offensive photographic close-up. The articles on Drew Barrymore and Angelina Jolie were partially fixed, though last I knew Barrymore's "measurements" were still listed, and a very mainstream user agreed that is was a POV to list women's measurements but not men's. I admit that I may have been on somewhat weak ground about the Cary Grant article, but one story about his early years seemed irrelevant and unneccessary to the overall information.

Bike Friday
On WP:VFU, you wrote: ''In hindsight, it wasn't a speedy, mea culpa. If anyone wants it undeleted and VfDed post a message to my talk page. --fvw* 08:08, September 1, 2005 (UTC)''.

If it wasn't a speedy deletion candidate, please undelete it, and place it on VfD (AfD) if you think it should be so placed. DES (talk) 14:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, Dbpsmith has already replaced it with an excellent article, but I've undeleted the two revisions in history. --fvw *  22:01, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Reason for deletions
Hi there. To expedite an amicable dispute settlement, I and User:Felix Frederick Bruyns have agreed to delete all comments we have made about each other on all talk pages. He asked that I let you know, so you won't think it is vandalism when it happens. Cheers. Moriori 02:39, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

An Explanation is Needed
Why did you send me an obscene message a couple of days ago? You should know that I of all people loathe such garbage. It was completely unsolicited and monstrously obscene, and you and I are one tiny step away from arbitration over it. If you don't remember it, I cut it and pasted it here: (I added the asterisks) -:::Note i for one don't agree with the "drawings are preferable to photographs rule" at least not in general. See my vote on the Image:************ 2.jpg IFD. DES (talk) 01:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

That is why I haven't sent you any messages recently and why I asked Moriori to tell you about the deletions rather than have to communicate with you directly. So, give me your explanation ASAP, and it had better be a good one. Felix Frederick Bruyns 04:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Time Is Running Out, DESiegel
ASAP stands for as soon as possible. I'll give you until 10:15 PM U.S. Pacific Time, which is 05:15 UTC, to respond about your conduct. If you haven't responded by that time, I will take this matter to the highest level of arbitration possible. If you take my deadline lightly you will not be dealt with lightly in arbitration. Felix Frederick Bruyns 05:00, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

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Styloid process

In anatomy, a styloid process (from Greek stylos (στῦλος), "pillar"), usually serving as points of attachment for muscles, refers to the slender, pointed process (protrusion) of:
 * temporal bone of the skull - Temporal styloid process
 * radius bone of the lower arm - Radial styloid process
 * ulna bone of the lower arm - Ulnar styloid process
 * Third metacarpal - Third metacarpal styloid process
 * Tibia and Fibula - Tibial process, fibular process.
 * 5th metatarsal of the foot - also known as the tuberosity of the fifth metatarsal

In botany, a styloid is a needle-shaped crystal of calcium oxalate found in some plants. It is a form of raphide.

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Dan yr Ogof

Dan yr Ogof, at the National Showcaves Centre for Wales, is a 17 km long cave system in south Wales, about 5 mi north of Ystradgynlais and 15 mi southwest of Brecon, in the Brecon Beacons National Park. It is the main feature of a show cave complex, which is claimed to be the largest in the United Kingdom and is a tourist attraction in Wales. The first section of the cave system is open to the public, but the extensive cave system beyond is scheduled as a national nature reserve and is open only to bona fide cavers.

The bones of some 42 humans, as well as numerous animal bones, have been found in one of the nearby chambers of this cave system. In a 2005 poll of Radio Times readers, Dan yr Ogof was named as Britain's greatest natural wonder.

Exploration

The cave was first explored in 1912 by three local brothers, Edwin, Tommy and Jeff Morgan, using candles and primitive equipment. Completely unsure of what they would discover, they armed themselves with a revolver. Edwin was the first to enter, as he was the smallest of the Morgan brothers. Initial expedition was halted at a large lake, which they later managed to cross by coracle. They eventually crossed three more lakes in the same manner, but were stopped by a tight crawl.

This squeeze, known as the Long Crawl, was first passed by Eileen Davies, a member of the South Wales Caving Club in 1963. The initials 'PO' were found by Eileen Davies at the pitch to Gerard Platten Hall. Peter Ogden had not descended the pitch due to lack of the required equipment and was prevented from returning by an extended period of bad weather. Exploration has been steadily continued by later cavers who have extended the cave to its present 17 km length. Some of this length was reached by cave diving. One of these explorers was Martyn Farr, who wrote a book about the system in which he claims that the system will eventually be extended to at least 150 km.

Filming location
The cave was used as a filming location for the Doctor Who serial The Pirate Planet.

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Knappogue Castle

Knappogue Castle (Irish: Caisleán na Cnapóige ) is a tower house, built in 1467 and expanded in the mid-19th century, located in the parish of Quin, County Clare, Ireland. It has been restored and is open to guided tours.

History
The original castle was built in 1467 by Seán Mac Conmara (anglicised as MacNamara), son of Síoda Mac Conmara, and is a good example of a late medieval tower house. The castle's name translates as "castle of the place abounding in little hills". In 1571, the castle became the seat of the MacNamara (Mac Conmara) sept, the Earls of West Clancullen. Donnchadh Mac Conmara was a leader of the Irish Rebellion of 1641 and Knappogue remained in MacNamara hands throughout the Irish Confederate Wars of the 1640s. After the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland (1649–53) it was confiscated in accord with the Adventurers' Act and its new owner was a roundhead, Arthur Smith.

Arthur Smith occupied the castle from 1659 to 1661. After the monarchy was restored in 1660, Knappogue was returned to its MacNamara owners. Eventually, Francis MacNamara, High Sheriff of Clare in 1789, sold the castle to the Scott family of Cahircon in 1800; the latter carried out major restoration and extension work. In 1837, the castle was owned by William Scott.

In 1855, the castle was acquired by Theobold Fitzwalter Butler, 14th Baron Dunboyne. It became the family seat of the Dunboyne family. They continued the restoration work of the Scotts, adding a drawing-room, the long room and a west wing, including the clock tower and the gateway. The remodelling was done by architects James Pain and his brother George Richard Pain.

During the War of Independence (1919–21), Clare County Council held their meetings at Knappogue Castle where they were guarded by the East Clare Flying Column. Michael Brennan, Commander of the East Clare Brigade also used the castle as his headquarters during that time.

In 1927, Knappogue demesne was purchased by the Irish Land Commission and the castle became the possession of the Quinn family. The castle and lands were then purchased in 1966 by Mark Edwin Andrews, former Assistant Secretary of the United States Navy, from Houston, Texas. He and his wife Lavonne (a prominent American architect), in collaboration with what was then Shannon Free Airport Development Company (today Shannon Heritage) and Bord Fáilte Éireann carried out an extensive restoration around 1969. This was intended to accommodate use of the castle as restaurant and private residence.

Their work returned much of the castle to its former 15th century state while encompassing and retaining later additions that chronicle the continuous occupation of the castle. The Andrews later leased part of the castle to the Irish Government as a cultural and tourist facility for a nominal rent.

Today
Shannon Development purchased the castle in 1996. Today, the castle is used as a venue for weddings and medieval banquets and offers guided tours.

Dating from 1817, the 1.248 acre garden is now restored to its former state. The walls of the garden have been refurnished with climbing roses, grapevines and many varieties of clematis.

There is also a whiskey named "Knappogue Castle" produced by the Castle Brands company, currently bottling liquor produced by Bushmills.

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George W. E. Dorsey

George Washington Emery Dorsey (January 25, 1842 – June 12, 1911) was a Representative in the United States Congress from Nebraska.

Biography
Dorsey was born in Loudoun County, Virginia, and moved with his parents to Preston County, Virginia (now West Virginia), in 1856. He attended private schools and Oak Hill Academy.

During the American Civil War, he recruited a volunteer company and entered the Union Army in August 1861 as a first lieutenant in the 6th Regiment West Virginia Infantry. He was subsequently promoted to captain and major for meritorious service and was mustered out with the Army of the Shenandoah in August 1865.

Dorsey moved to Nebraska in 1866 and studied law. He was admitted to the bar and commenced practice in 1869. He engaged in banking and served as vice president of the State board of agriculture. He was chairman of the Republican State central committee and was elected as a Republican to the Forty-ninth, Fiftieth, and Fifty-first Congresses (March 4, 1885–March 3, 1891). He served as chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (Fifty-first Congress) and was an unsuccessful candidate for reelection in 1890 to the Fifty-second Congress. He engaged in mining enterprises in Nevada and Utah.

Dorsey died in Salt Lake City, Utah, and was buried in the City Cemetery, Fremont, Dodge County, Nebraska.

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Murder by Death (band)

Murder by Death is an American six-piece indie rock band from Bloomington, Indiana. Their name is derived from the 1976 Robert Moore film of the same name.

Murder by Death released its first studio album (Like the Exorcist, but More Breakdancing) in 2002, and has since released eight more studio albums. The band's current lineup consists of two founding members, Adam Turla and Sarah Balliet. Balliet plays cello for the band, an instrument that has been present consistently throughout the band's evolution. Murder by Death's 2012 album Bitter Drink, Bitter Moon reached #76 on the Billboard 200, making it the band's most successful release.

Early years (2000–2002)
Murder by Death was formed in 2000 in Bloomington, Indiana, by guitarist Adam Turla, cellist Sarah Balliet, percussionist Alexander Schrodt, keyboardist Vincent Edwards, and bassist Matt Armstrong. One of the group's first shows was at the Channing-Murray Foundation's cafe The Red Herring in Urbana, Illinois, with former American Football drummer Steve Lamos' solo project DMS. After the show, the head of the TEAM AV record label with which Lamos was working offered to help Turla and his bandmates secure additional shows. Around the same time the band met Thursday vocalist, Geoff Rickly, when the two bands played on the same bill at a gig in their hometown of Bloomington. Rickly introduced the band, known at the time as Little Joe Gould, to his friend Alex Saavedra (owner of Eyeball Records), who also took an interest in the band.

In 2001 the band self-released the eponymous Little Joe Gould EP and early the next year contributed the song "I'm Afraid of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf" to the TEAM AV compilation Foreign Nationals. A short time later the group changed their name to Murder By Death, which they felt better represented their sound.

First works (2002–2006)
While still performing under the name Little Joe Gould, the band headed out on an 11-date tour stretching from California to Louisiana with the Chicago-based band Volta Do Mar. On this tour the band honed the songs for their debut album, which was recorded in several Chicago studios with Tim Iseler, then a guitarist with the TEAM AV-affiliated band Re:Rec. Both the tour and the recording engineer were arranged by the TEAM AV label, and the resulting Like The Exorcist, But More Breakdancing was released on Eyeball in August 2002. The band extensively toured behind the album with bands such as Cursive, Interpol, and The American Analog Set. In July 2003 the band released a split album with Volta Do Mar entitled Konrad Friedrich Wilhelm Zimmer in honor of the grandfather of the TEAM AV label owner who appears on the cover. Along with the song "Canyon Inn, Room 16" from the Little Joe Gould EP, Murder By Death also contributed "Knife Goes In, Guts Come Out" and the instrumental track "We Watch a Lot of Movies" alongside an alternative version of "A Masters in Reverse Psychology". Konrad Friedrich Wilhelm Zimmer was recorded with producer D. James Goodwin during sessions that would ultimately bear the release of Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them? in October. In December the band released a tribute 7" single for friend and musician Matt Davis of the band Ten Grand who had died earlier that year, before continuing to tour nationwide with Lucero, The Weakerthans, William Elliott Whitmore, and Rasputina.

"Those Who Left", from Like The Exorcist..., is an eight-minute instrumental, often played live in total darkness. This song is often paired with "Those Who Stayed," a shorter instrumental from the same album. This pairing, played during encores, is seen on setlists as "The Two Evils" or "Medley of Evil."

My Chemical Romance frontman Gerard Way provides guest vocals on Who Will Survive... track "The Devil in Mexico." Thursday frontman Geoff Rickly provides guest vocals on the Who Will Survive... track "Killbot 2000." William Elliott Whitmore provides guest vocals on the Who Will Survive... track "Until Morale Improves, The Beatings Will Continue." According to the band's website, he sang to them through a telephone while he was on the side of the road in Texas.

In Bocca Al Lupo (2006–2008)
Pianist Vincent Edwards left the band in 2004 in order to return to academia. Cellist Sarah Balliet added keyboard duties to her cello playing. More touring was followed by a stint back at school, during which time the band wrote their third album, In Bocca Al Lupo, which was released in May 2006 on their own label Tent Show Records, an imprint of East West Records. Vocalist/guitarist Adam Turla described the records's inspiration as coming from "a basic idea—sin, in the Dante/Divine Comedy sense—and doing 12 songs that were very unique and about different people." The title is an Italian good luck wish, literally translating as "in the mouth of the wolf" and therefore a likely nod to the language and subject matter of Dante's epic poem, which Turla was reading during the writing of the album. The record also resembles the 1976 murder mystery from which the band takes its name - a pastiche of bad deeds and of good intentions, heroism and forgiveness. Like its predecessor, In Bocca Al Lupo is a concept album, which also builds on the band's previous experimentation with unusual musical styles to include waltzes, jigs and gospel music. The songs are presented in the same Spaghetti Western theme as previous works, but Turla's vocals are sung in a new baritone range, which has been likened by many to that of Johnny Cash. The album was well received and touring continued through the summer of 2006, including headlining shows supported by Langhorne Slim.

Red of Tooth and Claw (2008–2010)
Red of Tooth and Claw, Murder By Death's fourth album, and first with Vagrant Records, was released in March 2008. Produced by Trina Shoemaker Recorded at Dark Horse Recording Studio and Mixed at East Iris Studios in Nashville, Tennessee, the record features former keyboardist Vincent Edwards on the song "Ball & Chain" and is also the first album to feature new drummer Dagan Thogerson, who replaced founding member Alex Schrodt. It continues with the band's trademark themes: "lust, betrayal, and classical archetypes of good and evil." In Turla's words, the record is an "Homer's Odyssey of revenge, only without the honorable character at the center." The vocals are again sung in the same low, baritone range as In Bocca Al Lupo causing a few critics to speculate that Red of Tooth and Claw breaks less new ground than previous efforts, although in general the album has been well received. As described by allmusic.com the album "carries over some of the Old West outlaw feel of its predecessor, but it's more aggressive and freewheeling here. [...] [The album] isn't a departure for Murder By Death, but their ability to keep their sound fresh and vibrant speaks well of their musical abilities." To celebrate the album's release, Murder By Death played two shows on the same night in their hometown of Bloomington.

The song "Comin' Home" from Red of Tooth and Claw was featured in a trailer for Quentin Tarantino's award-winning film Inglourious Basterds. It was also used in an episode of Sons of Anarchy.

Good Morning, Magpie (2010–2012)
On January 19, 2010, Murder by Death announced the pending release of their fifth full-length album, Good Morning, Magpie, on April 6 of the same year. Many of its songs were written by vocalist/guitarist Adam Turla during a two-week solo camping trip in the Great Smoky Mountains. Although it is not built around a unifying concept, like several of the band's previous albums, Good Morning, Magpie continues to draw on folklore for inspiration. The title track, as explained by Turla in an interview, is a nod to the superstition that the magpie "has a bit of the devil in him -- and if you don't greet the devil before he sees you he can steal a part of your soul."

After having been a touring member in the fall of 2010, multi-instrumentalist Scott Brackett (of Okkervil River fame) joined as a permanent member in May 2011.

Bitter Drink, Bitter Moon (2012)
On July 2, 2012, the band announced that their sixth album, Bitter Drink, Bitter Moon, would be released on September 25, 2012, on new label Bloodshot Records. The first single from the album, titled "I Came Around", was released on July 10. On July 11, they released a one-month project for $100,000 on Kickstarter. In total, it raised $187,048, making it the third highest music project on Kickstarter to date. The Canadian dates on the BDBM tour featured support from post-punk revival group Big John Bates.

The song "Go to the Light" from Bitter Drink, Bitter Moon was originally written for the video game Red Dead Redemption 2 after a member of the band's publicist team notified them that its developer Rockstar Games had reached out to them and other various artists seeking original music for the project. After requesting some changes to the song as-submitted and receiving a new version from the band, Rockstar declined to use the song. The same year, Bungie expressed interest in using "Go to the Light" in its marketing campaign for the Destiny 2 expansion Forsaken, however the band no longer had the original master tracks for the song and needed to re-record it. Bungie requested changes to the song to fit the required trailer format, and after another recording, it was featured in the E3 Story Reveal Trailer for Destiny 2: Forsaken on June 11, 2018. As a result, the song has been recorded by the band four different times.

Big Dark Love (2015)
On February 3, 2015, the band released their seventh album, Big Dark Love, on Bloodshot Records. A pre-sale of the album through Kickstarter raised $278,486.

The Other Shore (2018)
On June 1, 2018, the band announced that their eighth album, The Other Shore, would be released on August 24, 2018, on Bloodshot Records. The first single from the album, titled "True Dark", was released on June 26. A Kickstarter for the album raised $327,407.

Spell/Bound (2022)
On April 29, 2022, the band announced that their ninth studio album, Spell/Bound, would be released on July 29, 2022. The first single from the album, titled "Never Be", was released on May 13. A second single, titled "Everything Must Rest", was released on June 15. A presale of the album through Kickstarter raised $440,439, making it the 7th highest funded Kickstarted project in the music category at the time, surpassing The Other Shore at 11th.

Style
Murder by Death plays a range of music including instrumentals, rock, and alt-country. The band uses cello (with an electric cello for live shows) to create a gothic sound with occasional Western references.

The band arranges themes such as whiskey and the Devil into concept albums. For example, the band's second album, Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them?, describes a story in which the Devil wages war against a small village in Mexico.

Members

 * Current
 * Adam Turla – lead vocals, guitar, keyboards (2000–present)
 * Sarah Balliet – cello, keyboards (2000–present)
 * Dagan Thogerson – drums, percussion (2007–present)
 * David Fountain – piano, percussion, mandolin, banjo, lap steel, trumpet, accordion, backing vocals (2013–present)
 * Tyler Morse – bass, backing vocals (2016–present)
 * Emma Tiemann – violin (2020–present)

 * Former
 * Vincent Edwards – keyboards (2000–2004, 2008, 2014)
 * Alex Schrodt – drums, percussion (2000–2007)
 * Scott Brackett – keyboards, accordion, cornet, theremin, mandolin, backing vocals (2011–2013)
 * Matt Armstrong – bass (2000–2016)

Discography
Studio albums EPs Singles b-sides: Boy Decide (Alternate), One More Notch (acoustic) b-sides: Moon is Up, Brother (Live), Don't Cry (Guns N' Roses cover, on 7") b-sides: Dynamite Mine (Demo), Bang Bang (Sonny Bono cover), American Carny Theme self released non-album single
 * Boy Decide (2006)
 * Brother (2007)
 * Sometimes the Line Walks You (2007)
 * ''How Long is the Night?" (2022)

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David Talbot

David Talbot (born September 22, 1951) is an American journalist, author, editor, activist and independent historian. Talbot is known for his books about the "hidden history" of U.S. power and the liberal movements to change America, as well as his public advocacy. He was also the founder and former editor-in-chief of the early web magazine Salon.

Talbot founded Salon in 1995. The magazine gained a large following and broke several major national stories.

Since leaving Salon, Talbot has researched and written on the Kennedy assassination and other areas of what he calls "hidden history." Talbot has worked as a senior editor for Mother Jones magazine and a features editor for The San Francisco Examiner, and has written for Time magazine, The New Yorker, Rolling Stone, and other publications.

In addition to his work as an independent historian, Talbot has been deeply engaged in political activism, especially in his hometown, San Francisco, where he has campaigned for many progressive candidates and has been called "a leader in the fight to keep San Francisco affordable." On his blog, Talbot offers frequent opinions on national and local topics.

Early life and education
Talbot was born and raised in Los Angeles, California. His father was actor Lyle Talbot. He attended the Harvard School for Boys but did not graduate after falling afoul of the school's headmaster and ROTC program during the Vietnam War. He attended the University of California at Santa Cruz.

Career
After graduating, he returned to Los Angeles, where he co-wrote with Barbara Zheutlin a history of the Hollywood Left, "Creative Differences", and freelanced for Crawdaddy, Rolling Stone, and other magazines. He later was hired by Environmental Action Foundation in Washington, D.C. to write "Power and Light," a book about the politics of energy. After he returned to California, he worked as an editor at Mother Jones magazine before San Francisco Examiner publisher Will Hearst hired him to edit the newspaper's Sunday magazine, Image. It was at the Examiner where Talbot developed the idea for Salon, convincing several of his newspaper colleagues to join him.

Salon
Salon is a web magazine based in San Francisco. Talbot has characterized Salon as aiming to be a "smart tabloid." In 1996, Time magazine picked Salon as the web site of the year. Originally created to cover books and popular culture, the web site became increasingly politicized during the Clinton impeachment drama in the late 1990s. Salon broke from the mainstream press by defending the Clinton presidency and investigating the right-wing prosecutorial apparatus headed by Kenneth Starr and Rep. Henry Hyde, whose own infidelity Salon exposed.

Before stepping down as Salon's CEO and editor-in-chief in 2005, Talbot stabilized the financially rocky web enterprise. Talbot returned briefly as Salon CEO in 2011 but has since left the company.

Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years
After leaving Salon, Talbot resumed his career as an author of popular history books. Talbot's book, The New York Times bestseller, Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, offers a potentially controversial view of the Kennedy presidency and assassination, and explores Bobby Kennedy's search for the truth about his brother's murder. Talbot is now working on a feature documentary based on Brothers.

Devil Dog
Talbot's book Devil Dog: The Amazing True Story of the Man Who Saved America chronicles the life and exploits of antiwar U.S. Marine Major General Smedley Darlington Butler. The book, which was part of an illustrated history series called Pulp History, is a collaboration with Zap Comix artist Spain Rodriguez. It focuses on the true story of Major General Smedley Butler, who fought in imperial wars all around the globe as a self-described "gangster for capitalism" before finally returning home where, during the Franklin Delano Roosevelt presidency, he finally got to truly defend democracy. Butler "saved America," in the words of the book, by thwarting an attempted Wall Street coup against FDR. Devil Dog, which was published by Simon & Schuster in fall 2010, won praise from The New York Times, which called the Pulp History series "rip-roaring nonfiction tales with enough purple prose, gory illustrations and va-va-va-voom women to lure in even reluctant teenage male readers".

Season of the Witch
Talbot's book Season of the Witch: Enchantment, Terror, and Deliverance in the City of Love, about the wild and bloody birth of "San Francisco values", was published in spring 2012. Season of the Witch received starred reviews in Publishers Weekly and Kirkus Reviews, and was described as "enthralling, news-driven history" (San Francisco Chronicle), "energetic, highly entertaining storytelling" (Boston Globe), and "an enthralling – and harrowing – account of how the 1967 Summer of Love gave way to 20 or so winters of discontent" (Washington Post).

The Devil's Chessboard
Talbot's 2015 book The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government is a biography examining the career of Allen Dulles. According to Talbot, Dulles orchestrated the assassination of Kennedy at the behest of corporate leaders, who perceived the president to be a threat to national security, lobbied Lyndon B. Johnson to have himself appointed to the Warren Commission, then arranged to have Lee Harvey Oswald take sole responsibility for the act. The book charges that the conspirators in JFK's death also murdered Bobby Kennedy, as they perceived him to be "a wild card, an uncontrollable threat" who would reveal the plot.

The book has stirred debate about the history of the CIA. In a review for the San Francisco Chronicle, Glenn C. Altschuler stated, "Talbot's indictment is long, varied and sensational." Altschuler wrote: "Animated by conspiracy theories, the speculations and accusations in his book often run far ahead of the evidence, even for those of us inclined to believe the worst about Allen Dulles."

Elsewhere, the book has been praised, including by Kirkus Reviews, whose starred review called it "a frightening biography of power, manipulation and outright treason. [...] all engaged American citizens should read this book and have their eyes opened."

Between Heaven and Hell: The Story of My Stroke
In November 2017, Talbot suffered an ischemic stroke. In January 2020, his book about the stroke and his recovery from it, Between Heaven and Hell: The Story of My Stroke, was published.

In June 2024 Talbot, then 72 years old, suffered a second stroke that was nearly fatal.

By the Light of Burning Dreams: The Triumphs and Tragedies of the Second American Revolution
In his latest book—co-authored with sister Margaret Talbot and brother-in-law Arthur Allen – Talbot examines transformational periods in the lives of radical leaders of the 1960s and '70s. The book, Talbot says, is "my final historical effort at understanding what my generation achieved, and what we failed to accomplish, in attempting to move the country fully toward its better angels."

The book has been widely praised, including as an inspirational guide for a new generation of activists. Jessica Bruder, author of Nomadland: Surviving America in the Twenty-First Century, declared, "By the Light of Burning Dreams crackles with the radical energy of the 1960s and 70s. It's a shot in the arm of bold idealism, an indispensable companion for today's revolutionaries that reminds us what can happen if we dare to believe in – and fight for – a better world." And a critic in Kirkus Reviews celebrated the authors' "sharp reporting and good storytelling…. (They) devote a chapter to each of seven flashpoints of the 1960s and '70s that created 'the second American Revolution.' But an abundance of fresh material gives this book an intergenerational appeal. An intelligent and sympathetic reappraisal of the political upheavals of the '60s and '70s."

Personal life
Talbot is from a media and entertainment family. He is the son of longtime character actor and founding member of the Screen Actors Guild, Lyle Talbot, and brother of documentary producer and former child actor Stephen Talbot, of physician Cynthia Talbot of Portland, Oregon, and of journalist Margaret Talbot, a staff writer at The New Yorker. Talbot is married to writer Camille Peri, co-editor of the national bestseller Mothers Who Think, with whom he has two children. His son Joe Talbot wrote and directed the 2019 film The Last Black Man in San Francisco.

David Talbot's sister, Margaret, has written a biography of their father, Lyle Talbot, and a memoir of their family life, The Entertainer: Movies, Magic and My Father's Twentieth Century (Riverhead Books, 2012).

In 2024, Talbot suffered a "severe stroke" that had him "fighting for his life," according to his family.

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George Dorsey

George Dorsey may refer to:

 * George Washington Emery Dorsey (1842–1911), Representative to the United States Congress from Nebraska
 * George Amos Dorsey (1868–1931), U.S. ethnographer of indigenous peoples of the Americas
 * George W. Dorsey, victim of the 1946 Georgia lynching

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Talk:The Wooden Horse

Eric Williams
Although the book was written by a person called Eric Williams, it wasn't written by the first Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago! So I removed the link to him. Monk Bretton 20:42, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Peter Butterworth
The story about Peter Butterworth being a vaulter isn’t how I have heard it, and doesn’t actually get mentioned in the IMDb article used as the reference. As I remember it, he was a member of the escape team, but rather than vault (which perhaps he wasn’t ideally suited for) he was one of the people who stood by the horse, ostensibly to hold it in place for the assistance of the vaulter, and in actuality to prevent it tipping and exposing the work underneath, and to watch for any tell-tale signs of activity from below on the surface. This is why the character in the film doing this job is called “Peter”, and increases the absurdity of him not being deemed suitable even to play himself… Jock123 (talk) 09:34, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

 * In Butterworth's appearance on This is Your Life here: Andrews states the original 'leaping over the horse' information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.162.162 (talk) 21:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Locations
Can we identify any of the locations used in the film, such as the railway station and church? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:The Wooden Horse