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Naval Air Station Pensacola

Naval Air Station Pensacola or NAS Pensacola (formerly NAS/KNAS until changed circa 1970 to allow Nassau International Airport, now Lynden Pindling International Airport, to have IATA code NAS), "The Cradle of Naval Aviation", is a United States Navy base located next to Warrington, Florida, a community southwest of the Pensacola city limits. It is best known as the initial primary training base for all U.S. Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard officers pursuing designation as naval aviators and naval flight officers, the advanced training base for most naval flight officers, and as the home base for the United States Navy Flight Demonstration Squadron, the precision-flying team known as the Blue Angels.

The station is listed as the Pensacola Station Census Designated Place (CDP) under the 2020 census and had a resident population of 5,532. It is part of the Pensacola—Ferry Pass—Brent, Florida Metropolitan Statistical Area.

Because of contamination by heavy metals and other hazardous materials during its history, it is designated as a Superfund site needing environmental cleanup.

The air station also hosts the Naval Education and Training Command (NETC) and the Naval Aerospace Medical Institute (NAMI), the latter of which provides training for all naval flight surgeons, aviation physiologists, and aerospace experimental psychologists.

With the closure of Naval Air Station Memphis in Millington, Tennessee, and the transition of that facility to Naval Support Activity Mid-South, NAS Pensacola also became home to the Naval Air Technical Training Center (NATTC) Memphis, which relocated to Pensacola and was renamed NATTC Pensacola. NATTC provides technical training schools for nearly all enlisted aircraft maintenance and enlisted aircrew specialties in the U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Coast Guard. The NATTC facility at NAS Pensacola is also home to the USAF Detachment 1, a geographically separated unit (GSU) whose home unit is the 359th Training Squadron located at nearby Eglin AFB. Detachment 1 trains over 1,100 airmen annually in three structural maintenance disciplines: low observable, non-destructive inspection, and aircraft structural maintenance.

NAS Pensacola contains Forrest Sherman Field, home of Training Air Wing SIX (TRAWING 6), providing undergraduate flight training for all prospective naval flight officers for the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps, and flight officers/navigators for other NATO/Allied/Coalition partners. TRAWING SIX consists of the Training Squadron 4 (VT-4) "Warbucks", Training Squadron 10 (VT-10) "Wildcats" and Training Squadron 86 (VT-86) "Sabrehawks," flying the T-45C Goshawk and T-6A Texan II.

A select number of prospective U.S. Air Force navigator/combat systems officers, destined for certain fighter/bomber or heavy aircraft, were previously trained via TRAWING SIX, under VT-4 or VT-10, with command of VT-10 rotating periodically to a USAF officer. This previous track for USAF navigators was termed Joint Undergraduate Navigator Training (JUNT). Today, all USAF Undergraduate CSO Training (UCSOT) for all USAF aircraft is consolidated at NAS Pensacola as a strictly USAF organization and operation under the 479th Flying Training Group (479 FTG), an Air Education and Training Command (AETC) unit. The 479 FTG is a tenant activity at NAS Pensacola and a GSU of the 12th Flying Training Wing (12 FTW) at Randolph AFB, Texas. The 479 FTG operates USAF T-6A Texan II and T-1A Jayhawk aircraft.

Other tenant activities include the United States Navy Flight Demonstration Squadron, the Blue Angels, flying F/A-18 Super Hornets and a single USMC C-130T Hercules; and the 2nd German Air Force Training Squadron USA (2. Deutsche Luftwaffenausbildungsstaffel USA– abbreviated "2. DtLwAusbStff"). A total of 131 aircraft operate out of Sherman Field, generating 110,000 flight operations each year.

The National Naval Aviation Museum (formerly known as the National Museum of Naval Aviation), the Pensacola Naval Air Station Historic District, the National Park Service-administered Fort Barrancas and its associated Advance Redoubt, and the Pensacola Lighthouse and Museum are all located at NAS Pensacola, as is the Barrancas National Cemetery.

History
The site now occupied by NAS Pensacola has been controlled by varying nations. In 1559, Spanish explorer Don Tristan de Luna founded a colony on Santa Rosa Island, considered the first European settlement of the Pensacola area. The Spanish built the wooden Fort San Carlos de Austria on this bluff in 1697–1698. Although besieged by Indians in 1707, the fort was not taken. Spain was competing in North America with the French, who settled lower Louisiana and the Illinois Country and areas to the North. The French destroyed this fort when they captured Pensacola in 1719. After Great Britain defeated the French in the Seven Years' War and exchanging some territory with Spain, British colonists took over this site and West Florida in 1763.

In 1781, as an ally of the American rebels during the American Revolutionary War, the Spanish captured Pensacola. Britain ceded West Florida to Spain following the war. The Spanish completed the fort San Carlos de Barrancas in 1797. Barranca is a Spanish word for bluff, the natural terrain feature that makes this location ideal for the fortress.

Pensacola was taken by General Andrew Jackson in November 1814 during the War of 1812 between Great Britain and the United States. British forces destroyed Fort San Carlos as they swept through the area. The Spanish remained in control of the region until 1821, when the Adams-Onís Treaty confirmed the purchase of Spanish Florida by the United States, and Spain ceded this territory to the US.

In 1825, the US designated this area for the Pensacola Navy Yard and Congress appropriated $6,000 for a lighthouse. Operational that year, it "is said to be haunted by a light keeper murdered by his wife." Fort Barrancas was rebuilt, 1839–1844, the U.S. Army deactivating it on 15 April 1947. Designated a National Historic Site (NHL) in 1960, control of the site was transferred to the National Park Service in 1971. After extensive restoration during 1971–1980, Fort Barrancas was opened to the public. It has a visitor's center.

Navy Yard
Realizing the advantages of the Pensacola harbor and the large timber reserves nearby for shipbuilding, in 1825 President John Quincy Adams and Secretary of the Navy Samuel Southard made arrangements to build a Navy Yard on the southern tip of Escambia County, where the air station is today. Navy captains William Bainbridge, Lewis Warrington, and James Biddle selected the site on Pensacola Bay.

Civilian employment
Civilian employment began in April 1826, with the construction of the first buildings at the Pensacola Navy Yard, also known as the Warrington Navy Yard. Pensacola would later become one of the best equipped naval stations in the country, but the early navy yard was beset with recruitment and labor problems. Skilled workers were simply unavailable locally, housing limited, and living conditions in Pensacola rough. At first, skilled tradesmen were recruited from Boston and other northern naval bases. Many of these new civilian employees were dissatisfied with local conditions and especially their wages and hours. As a result, on 14 March 1827 was the first labor strike. Captain Melancthon Taylor Woolsey was able to make sufficient adjustments to the workday that the men returned to work after a couple of days.

One factor that inhibited both military and civilian workers from remaining in Pensacola was the lack of an adequate hospital. On 3 November 1828, naval surgeon Isaac Hulse, physician in charge of the Naval Hospital in Barrancas, wrote Commodore Melanchthon Taylor Woolsey a status report. His account covers the period of March to November 1828 and details the 66 sailors and marines admitted, their names and rank, diagnosis or the nature of their injury, and the date of their discharge or death. Mortality at Pensacola would remain high due to the prevalence of yellow fever and malaria. Many naval officers and men considered the Navy Yard an unhealthy and potentially lethal assignment. For example, Naval Constructor Samuel Keep, writing to his brother in July 1826, stated emphatically, "I shall not remain here unless I am obliged to do so." Despite heroic efforts by the medical community, yellow fever would revisit the navy yard intermittently, e.g. in 1835, 1874, 1882, etc., the disease only coming under control with the work of Major Walter Reed in 1901.

From its foundation until the Civil War, enslaved labor was extensively utilized at Pensacola Navy Yard. In May 1829, the monthly Pensacola Navy Yard list of mechanics and laborers enumerates a total of 87 employees, of whom 37 were enslaved laborers. Pensacola Navy Yard was built with enslaved labor. Captain Lewis Warrington, the first commandant of the Pensacola Navy Yard, complained to the Board of Navy Commissioners, "neither laborers nor mechanics are to be obtained here." As early as April 1826, Warrington had requested and received permission to hire enslaved labor, "for I would recommend the employment of black laborers in preference to white, as they suit this climate better, are less liable to change, more easily controlled, more temperate, and more will actually do more work." Even after Warrington was finally able to get skilled white journeymen mechanics from Norfolk, he asked for and received permission to continue utilizing enslaved labor, since due to the unhealthy conditions and poor pay white laborers simply would not remain at the new naval station. As a consequence, Pensacola Navy agent Samuel R. Overton advertised for 38 enslaved workers, promising local slaveholders "17 dollars per month with common Navy Rations." The bondsmen's names are found on the May 1829 list of navy yard employees. To allay slaveholder concerns, Commandant William Compton Bolton advertised that enslaved workers would have the benefit of medical attention at no charge at the shipyard hospital.

Pensacola was not the first to use enslaved labor; Washington Navy Yard, established in 1799, and soon after, Gosport Navy Yard in Virginia, both employed enslaved labor. The enslaved quickly "constituted a majority of the employees at the shipyard. They performed nearly every task required including ship construction and repair, carpentry, blacksmithing, bricklaying and general labor." While not explicitly stated in Pensacola Navy Yard log entries, enslaved black workers were listed as "laborers" while white workers were categorized as belonging to "the ordinary" (see thumbnail: station log entries, 1 July 1836).

Slavery remained integral to the Pensacola Navy Yard workforce throughout the antebellum period. As late as June 1855, the navy yard payroll listed 155 slaves. Scholar Ernest Dibble concludes his study of the military presence in Pensacola with this coda: "In Pensacola the military was not just the most important single force creating the local economy, but also the most important single influence to the spread of the slaveocracy in Pensacola." The civilian payrolls of Pensacola reveal that the navy yard leased slaves from prominent members of Pensacola society. Enslaved labor continued on at the Pensacola Navy Yard until the American Civil War.

On 13 August 1859, Commandant James K. McIntosh wrote to the secretary of the Navy Isaac Toucey, "I have the honor to report that the steam sloop of war USS Pensacola (1859) was successfully launched ..." with this "launching the Pensacola naval facility became a true navy yard." This was followed by the sloop USS Seminole (1859) that same year.

In its early years, the garrison of the West Indies Squadron dealt mainly with the suppression of the African slave trade and piracy in the Gulf and Caribbean. The US and Great Britain had outlawed the international slave trade effective 1808, but smuggling continued for decades, especially as Cuba and certain South American nations continued with slavery.

On 12 January 1861, just prior to the commencement of the Civil War, the Warrington Navy Yard surrendered to secessionists. When Union forces captured New Orleans in 1862, Confederate troops, fearing attack from the west, retreated from the Navy Yard and reduced most of the facilities to rubble. At the time, they also abandoned Fort Barrancas and Fort McRee.

After the war, the ruins at the yard were cleared away and work was begun to rebuild the base. Many of the present structures on the air station were built during this period, including the stately two- and three-story houses on North Avenue. In 1906, many of these newly rebuilt structures were destroyed by a great hurricane and storm surge.

The Pensacola and Fort Barrancas Railroad was constructed in 1870 during the Reconstruction era, bringing rail service aboard the Navy Yard, and improving connections to the city of Pensacola. The company was incorporated by a special act of the State of Florida on 12 February 1870 to improve infrastructure, and was granted an easement by Congress to run through the federal Navy Yard reservation on 30 January 1871.

Naval aeronautical station

The Navy Department awakened to the possibilities of naval aviation through the efforts of Captain Washington Irving Chambers; he prevailed upon Congress to include in the Naval Appropriation Act enacted in 1911–12 a provision for aeronautical development. Chambers was ordered to devote all of his time to naval aviation.

In October 1913, Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, appointed a board, with Captain Chambers as chairman, to make a survey of aeronautical needs and to establish a policy to guide future development. One of the board's most important recommendations was the establishment of an aviation training station in Pensacola.

On 20 January 1914, LCdr. Henry C. Mustin, Naval Aviator No. 11, and Lt. John H. Towers, Naval Aviator No. 3, and Lt. Patrick N. L. Bellinger, Naval Aviator No. 8, arrived in Pensacola on the former battleship USS Mississippi with the men and aircraft from the Naval Aviation Camp at Annapolis, Maryland. "The aviation unit consisted of nine officers, 23 enlisted men, and seven aircraft." The first flight occurred on 2 February 1914, with Lt. Towers and Ens. Godfrey deC. Chevalier, Naval Aviator No. 7, at the controls.

Upon the entry of the United States into World War I on 6 April 1917, Pensacola, still the only naval air station, had 38 naval aviators, 163 enlisted men trained in aviation support, and 54 fixed-wing aircraft. Two years later, by the signing of the armistice in November 1918, the air station, with 438 officers and 5,538 enlisted men, had trained 1,000 naval aviators. At war's end, seaplanes, dirigibles, and free kite balloons were housed in steel and wooden hangars stretching a mile down the air station beach.

In the years following World War I, aviation training slowed down. An average of 100 pilots were graduating annually from the 12-month flight course. This was before the category of aviation cadets was established; officers were accepted for the flight training program only after at least two years of sea duty. The majority were Annapolis graduates, although a few reserve officers and enlisted men also graduated. Naval Air Station Pensacola became known as the "Annapolis of the Air".

Station Field was created on the north side of the navy yard in 1922. Enlarged, it was renamed Chevalier Field in 1935 for Lt. Cdr. Godfrey DeCourcelles Chevalier, a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy in 1910, and an early Naval Air Pilot, designated as No. 7 on 7 November 1915. With the advent of jet aviation, its 3,100-foot runway was too short for new aircraft entering service. Forrest Sherman Field was opened in 1954 for most fixed-wing operations.

Naval air station
With the inauguration in 1935 of the cadet training program, activity at Pensacola again expanded. When Pensacola's training facilities could no longer accommodate the ever-increasing number of cadets accepted by the Navy, two more naval air stations were created—one in Jacksonville, Florida, and the other in Corpus Christi, Texas. (During this period, the Southern Democratic block exerted considerable influence in Congress, as the South was a one-party region. Democrats occupied key committee chairman positions by seniority and directed many projects to their region.)

In August 1940, a larger auxiliary base, Saufley Field, named for LT R.C. Saufley, Naval Aviator 14, was added to Pensacola's activities. In October 1941, a third field, Ellyson Field, named after CDR Theodore G. "Spuds" Ellyson, the Navy's first aviator, was added. With the start of World War II, NAS Pensacola once again became the hub of air training activities. NAS Pensacola expanded again, training 1,100 cadets a month, 11 times the number trained annually in the 1920s. The growth of NAS Pensacola from 10 tents to the world's greatest naval aviation center was emphasized by then-Senator Owen Brewster's statement: "The growth of naval aviation during World War II is one of the wonders of the modern world." Naval aviators from NAS Pensacola were called upon to train the Doolittle Raiders at Eglin Field in 1942 for carrier take-offs in their B-25 Mitchell bombers. Navy Lt. Henry Miller supervised their takeoff training and accompanied the crews to the launch. For his efforts, Lt. Miller is considered an honorary member of the Raider group.

During the Korean War, the military was caught in the midst of transition from propellers to jets. The air station had to revise its courses and training techniques. NAS Pensacola produced 6,000 aviators from 1950 to 1953.

Forrest Sherman Field was opened in 1954 on the western side of NAS Pensacola. This jet airfield was named after the late Admiral Forrest P. Sherman, a former chief of naval operations. Shortly thereafter the United States Navy Flight Demonstration Squadron, the Blue Angels, relocated from NAS Corpus Christi, Texas.

Pilot training requirements shifted upward to meet the demands for the Vietnam War, which occupied much of the 1960s and 1970s. From a low of 1,413 in 1962, before the entry of the U.S. in any substantive way, pilot training in 1968 produced 2,552 graduates.

Naval aviation depot
From the earliest days of naval aviation at Pensacola, an aircraft maintenance facility operated at the air station. Initially known as the Construction and Repair Department, in 1923 it was redesignated an Assembly and Repair Department, and in 1948 to the Overhaul and Repair Department. In 1967, the status of the facility at NAS Pensacola and at five other Navy and one Marine Corps air stations were changed to that of separate commands, each called a Naval Air Rework Facility and directed to report to the commander of the Naval Air Systems Command instead of the air station commanding officer. Former seaplane hangars along the south edge of the air station, as well as a large structure at Chevalier Field were utilized for aircraft overhauls, and Pensacola was a designated as an A-4 Skyhawk rework site.

In 1987 the name Naval Aviation Depot replaced the name Naval Air Rework Facility to more accurately reflect the range of their activities. Three Naval Aviation Depots were closed under the 1993 BRAC Committee recommendations including that at NAS Pensacola, and most of the buildings on the air station involved in these tasks razed.

Naval Photography School

The Naval Photography School was located at base. Howard Zieff learned photography there and the monthly inspection at the school was photographed by Joseph Janney Steinmetz in 1944. The Naval Photographic School trained Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard students in basic (A School), advanced (B and C Schools), and special curriculum (Reconnaissance, Photojournalism, etc.) It was housed in BlDG 1500, now the base headquarters, and a small museum has a variety of items from the school.

Modern history
In 1971, NAS Pensacola was picked as the headquarters site for CNET (Chief of Naval Education and Training), a new command which combined direction and control of all Navy education and training activities and organizations. The Naval Air Basic Training Command was absorbed by the Naval Air Training Command, which moved to NAS Corpus Christi, Texas. In 2003, CNET was replaced by the Naval Education and Training Command (NETC).

Also located on board NAS Pensacola is Naval Aviation Schools Command (NAVAVSCOLSCOM). This command has the following subordinate schools:

 * Aviation Enlisted Aircrew Training School (AEATS)
 * AETAS is also known as Naval Aircrew Candidate School (NACCS)
 * Naval Aviation Technical Training Center (NATTC)
 * NATTC is composed of "A" schools for training of enlisted personnel in various aviation support disciplines including: ground support equipment operators, aviation ordnancemen, aircraft powerplant mechanics, fixed and rotary wing structural airframe mechanics, avionics technicians, aircraft electricians, aviation command and control electronics maintenance personnel, expeditionary airfield construction personnel, air traffic controllers, flight equipment technicians, enlisted aircrew, and parachute riggers. Courses in these disciplines are attended by both Navy personnel and U.S. Marines. Marines aboard NAS Pensacola training for or teaching courses in the aforementioned jobs belong to Marine Air Training Support Group 23 (MATSG-23), which consists of both Aviation Maintenance Squadron 1 (AMS-1) and AMS-2.
 * Crew Resource Management
 * U.S. Navy and Marine Corps School of Aviation Safety

NAVAVSCOLSCOM also previously oversaw Aviation Officer Candidate School (AOCS) until that program's disestablishment and merger into Officer Candidate School (OCS) under Officer Training Command at NETC Newport, Rhode Island in 2007.

The Pensacola Naval Complex in Escambia and Santa Rosa counties employs more than 16,000 military and 7,400 civilian personnel.

During the 2005 round of Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC), people in Florida and the Navy feared that NAS Pensacola might be closed, despite its naval hub status, due to extensive damage by Hurricane Ivan in late 2004. Nearly every building on the installation had suffered heavy damage, with near total destruction of the air station's southeastern complex. The main barracks, Chevalier Hall, did not reopen until late January 2005, four months after the storm. When the list was released on 13 May 2005, NAS Pensacola and other military bases hit by Ivan in Northwest Florida were not on the BRAC list. Their facilities were rebuilt.

In May 2006, Navy construction crews unearthed a Spanish ship during an archeological excavation. It may date to the mid-16th century. The ship remains were discovered during the rebuilding of the base's rescue swimmer school, which was destroyed by Hurricane Ivan.

On March 3, 2010 the commander of the base, Captain William Reavey Jr., was relieved of command after a Navy investigation into alleged improper conduct. Reavey was replaced by Captain Christopher Plummer.

United States Air Force at NAS Pensacola
NAS Pensacola is host to the 479th Flying Training Group (479 FTG) of the Air Education and Training Command (AETC). The 479 FTG is composed of the 451st Flying Training Squadron, 455th Flying Training Squadron and 479th Operations Support Squadron. The 479 FTG is part of the 12th Flying Training Wing at Randolph AFB, Texas, but student information and files are handled through Tyndall AFB, Florida while they train at NAS Pensacola. With the divestment of Specialized Undergraduate Navigator Training (SUNT) and the retirement of the T-43 Bobcat from the 12th Flying Training Wing main operation at Randolph AFB, the 479 FTG assumed responsibility for the renamed Undergraduate Combat Systems Officer Training (UCSOT) for all prospective USAF CSOs. The 479 FTG operates USAF T-6 Texan II and T-1 Jayhawk aircraft at NAS Pensacola.

NAS Pensacola is also home to AETC's Detachment 1, 359th Training Squadron (359 TRS). A geographically separated unit of the 359 TRS at Eglin AFB, Florida, and falls under the 82nd Training Wing (82 TRW) at Sheppard AFB, Texas. This school provides enlisted technical training for all USAF Aircraft Structural Maintenance (ASM), Low Observable (LO) Aircraft Structural Maintenance, and Non-Destructive Inspections (NDI) students. The 359 TRS, Det 1, graduates approximately 1200 students annually.

The USAF's Detachment 2, 66th Training Squadron (a geographically separated part of the 336th Training Group's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) school at Fairchild Air Force Base) was located here at NAS Pensacola, dedicated to aircrew parachute water survival training, but relocated to Fairchild AFB in August 2015.

Incidents and accidents

On 20 February 1939, a squadron of twelve U.S. Navy aircraft, described as "fast combat ships", were returning to NAS Pensacola, Florida, from a routine training trip and found the Gulf Coast socked in by a fog described as one of the heaviest ever witnessed in the region. Eight planes were lost with two pilots killed. Three aircraft piloted by instructors, and one other plane, were diverted by radio and outran the fogbank to land safely at Atmore and Greenville, Alabama. "Six of the Navy's flying students bailed out in the darkness and reached ground safely in their first parachute jumps. Their planes were wrecked beyond repair. Lt. G. F. Presser, Brazilian Navy flyer, in training at the Naval Air Station, crashed and was killed at Corry Field. His plane burned. The fog was so dense that the intense glow of the burning plane could not be seen by attendants on the field. Lt. N. M. Ostergren, U.S. Navy, was found dead at his crashed plane near McDavid the next morning. Officers said the wreckage of the eight planes – they declined to estimate their worth, but aviation circles here said the fast combat ships would cost from $18,000 to $20,000 each – was the air station's second heaviest loss. In 1926 a hurricane wrecked planes on the ground, hangars and other equipment for a total damage of about $1,000,000.'"

The aircraft involved were all Boeing F4B-4 fighters. These included BuNos. A9014, A9040, 9242, 9243, 9258, and 9719.

On December 6, 2019, a terror attack occurred at the installation, resulting in three deaths and several injuries. The attacker was shot and killed by law enforcement.

This was the first deadly terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11 that was planned abroad.

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Merging Philippine mythical creatures
I definitely vote against merging Philippine mythical creatures into Philippine mythology, as there is much material on Creatures in Philippine Mythology which cannot be discussed in depth in a general discussion of Philippine Mythology. Instead, I propose that the Philippine Mythology article needs to be expanded, as the emphasis on legendary creatures or even Gods, is unwarranted. I believe Philippine Mythology should instead cover the unique characteristics of Filipino Mythology. I've been wanting to work on this project for a while, but I have not yet find the time. I am, on the other hand, slowly gathering resources so I can do so.

Organization
Soliciting comments. I'm wondering how this page can best be reorganized to reflect the whole scope of Philippine Mythology. At the moment, some of the things I'm bothered about include

"Higher" and "Lower" Mythology
- There is a rather apparent line between "Higher Myths" including
 * the creation myths
 * the origin myths
 * and stories about
 * Bathala and his co-archetypes such as Kabunian, Gugurang, etc,
 * Maria Makiling,
 * Maria Sinokuan,
 * Bernardo Carpio,
 * etc.

- And the creatures of lower mythology currently listed in the pantheon such as
 * the tikbalang,
 * the aswang,
 * the kapre,
 * etc.

But I'm not sure how to organize this in light of the whole article yet.

Regional Mythologies
See note below

Evolution of Pinoy Mythology
I wonder if the page should also reflect the evolution of Philippine Mythology. I will have to read Nick Joaquin's Culture and History again to look for relevant insights.

Things I wonder about under this include:

 * Methods of Transmission of the Mythology
 * Oral Transmission
 * Transmission through physical artifacts
 * Documented Mythology
 * Modern Myths (not necessarily but inclusive of Filipino Urban Myths)
 * Aswang in the City
 * Shapeshifting snake in mall ventilation ducts

Introduction
I think it's not quite fair to say "Philippine mythology, and folklore are being studied as part of the curriculum of Philippine Psychology", as that implies that Philippine mythology is not being discussed outside of this context. Philippine mythology stands on its own as a field of study. Perhaps a different subheading should discuss how Philippine mythology is studied as a part of Philippine psychology? For now, I've deleted the references to Philippine Psychology, but below, in itals for everybody's consideration, is the text that was removed.Alternativity 10:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

''(Philippine mythology, and folklore )...are being studied as part of the curriculum of Philippine Psychology... Many attribute psychological problems to these superstitions and considered significant for psychologists in understanding the Filipino psyche.''

Also, while mythology does indeed "include[] a collection of tales and superstitions about magical creatures and entities," these magical creatures and entities are not the defining characteristic of mythology, which is why I suggest a broader definition... but one I hope to work on at a later date. :-) Alternativity 18:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Mumu and Mubaiya
My filipino friend says she believes in the mumu and the mubaiya. What are those monsters ???
 * a 'mumu' or 'momo' is generally used as a generic term to describe a 'ghost' or 'monster'. children use it to describe any scary being. i am not familiar with a 'mubaiya', however. it may be a creature confined to a narrow ethnic pantheon; the philippines is quite ethnically diverse. where is your friend from exactly in the philippines? - Kguirnela 13:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

i am not sure where my friend is from. She says that mubaiya is a creature that is human by day, but at night sheds its skin and can have wings that fly. It flies around looking for humans to eat at night.

Work to do
There is a lot of good material in this article, but the introduction is rather POV.

Er... I'm not sure what POV means. But I do agree there's a lot to be done here. Alternativity 10:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Impakto
What is it? Is it a spirit that causes temporary madness? Is it supposed to originate from the soil?--Jondel 12:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This should really be added.--Jondel 08:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Unbaptised children, Angels that are neither good nor bad
I read legends about this as a child. Does anybody know about this? I read that in Philippine mythical creatures were angels that broke of when there was an angelic war. Some were good, others became demons, while the mythical creatures were angels that were neither in Philippine mythology. Any info?--Jondel 12:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

"Regional Mythologies"
Philippine mythology of course, is a catch-all phraze that covers the mythology of many ethnicities. As Scott points out, it is rather unfair to disucuss these mythologies under one banner as if they were one and the same when that banner did not exist when those mythologies were originated.

Perhaps we should separate this article into regional subheadings and then "incubate" discussions of the individual ethnic mythologies and then evolve them into separate articles when they develop sufficient substance to merit an article?

The discussion of "Igorot beliefs" suggested below could be discussed as a secondary subheading under this "regional mythologies" subheading. Alternativity 10:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Igorot beliefs
Would it be apt to add here some of the Igorot people's pre-Christian beliefs(I say opre-Christian because according to the igorotglobal.com, approximately 90% of the present-day Igorots have embraced Christianity)? Like that of Kabunian, Lumawig(son of Kabunian who is more or less like a half mortal, half god), and other dieties? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.9.55.205 (talk) 09:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

In Popular Culture
Should we have a section for how Philippine mythology is covered by Popular culture? That would include references to media like Mulawin, Etheria, Whilce Portacio's Stone, and Arnold Arre's The Mythology Class. Alternativity 10:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

=== 90 % have embraced christianity? that's to much, just go to the sloter house in baguio and ask the volume of black pigs being purchased for ritual purposes. Try visiting mambunung (native priests) and most likely you'll have to wait your turn along with some rich and influential "modern" igorots. Why do u think dogs are still being served with gusto if indeed 90% of igorots converted to christianity? and that's not even including those tribes adjacent to cagayan valley who insist their not to be called "igorots" but by their own specific tribe. your source is thus grossly in accurate.

Archetype Meanings In the individual pantheon entries
Can we add psychological archetype meanings to the individual entries for creatures of lower mythology (tikbalang, aswang, etc)? Such as the Tikbalang being a reflection of the transition to horse-riding culture? I'm not sure where to find sources for this, but I know this is all fairly common knowledge under Phillippine psychology?

Weasel Words
Here are acouple of statements using weasel words WP:WEASEL because they use the words maybe or probably.

Idianalé (Idianalo, Ideale) is the ancient Tagalogs goddess of works and good actions. Other legends say that she is also a goddess of death, and it is possible that she and Hukloban are one goddess.

Bathala: He is possibly worshiped by the Visayans.

- Getonyourfeet 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Direct Quote needs citation
Citing_sources

"Bathala, the source of all creations, in Your hands lie Maniliw the witch, and from your chest comes out the creator Lulid Amo that can make darkness darker than the night"

If it is a translation, it still needs to be attributed or it is original research. WP:OR

- Getonyourfeet 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Malyari is he a god or demigod?
A god is full blood god. A demigod is part god and part mortal. Wasn't Hercules a demigod? Fix! LAWL!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Getonyourfeet (talk • contribs) 19:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

- Getonyourfeet 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Inaccuracy
Someone familiar with the subject matter please correct this statement take from the other gods section:

Kabunian, or Lumawig, is the Ifugao tribe supreme deity, where his palace is at the peak of Mount Pulag in the Northern Cordilleras. <-- This cannot be true because Mt. Pulag does not lie in the area of the Ifugaos.

— 6etonyourfeet\t\c 18:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

+++ CORRECTION to "Inaccuracy"- Mt. Pulag range is mostly within Benguet Province but is large enough to be within the Province of Ifugao. Its peak is within the Municipality of Kabayan, Benguet. However we in Bokod and Kabayan also believe Kabunian (we don't use Lumawig) also resides in Pulag, like our own version of Mt. Olympus. Ifugaos near Pulag share some similar beliefs with us. Furthermore, it is always shared by our elders that our ancestors originated in what is now part of Ifugao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talakaru (talk • contribs) 12:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Notes on organization of Philippine mythology articles

 * Suggestion: Please see Talk:Philippine mythology/to do box above. - Dragonbite 18:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Naming
I find the title inappropriate. It should be changed to Phil. Traditional Religions. Myhtology refers only to stories, not to the complete thing (beliefs, practises etc.). Also the use of the term superstition throughout th article is not scientific: in a scientific presentation all beliefs and practises are treated without any evalutative connotation.Aldrasto11 (talk) 07:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Kekek - The visayan myth
The Kekek is a Woman witch with wings which all she has to do is look for pregnant woman and to abort the baby and or to kill the infant, that is why mostly of the pregnant woman has to put a black clothes or wrap around their body especially during the night to avoid to be seen by the Kekek. Aside from black clothes they will also put a thorns around their hous to prevent the Kekek of coming at the walls of the House.

This practice are mostly in the remote Areas in Visayan regions.

By: Roy D. Mangaron217.165.164.63 (talk) 06:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

The visayan myths
The Kekek is a Woman witch with wings which all she has to do is look for pregnant woman and to abort the baby and or to kill the infant by zipping the blood using her stretched tongue, that is why mostly of the pregnant woman has to put a black clothes or wrap around their body especially during the night to avoid to be seen by the Kekek. Aside from black clothes they will also put a thorns around their house to prevent the Kekek of coming at the walls of the House.
 * Kekek

This practice are mostly in the remote Areas in Visayan regions.

Agta or Kapre - a Giant Humanoid being, Black and Hairy which has a supernatural power that live in the forest or the large trees, they have the ability to visible and to be invisible and to trick and confused Humans who will pass in their Territory.
 * Agta

Dwende - An average of a foot tall human like supernatural creatures, mostly friendly and some are not. They live in Puntod ( a small hard pile of soil like and Igloo shape, clean at the top with no plant grows)They will help to their chosen human friend, some of them became rich. Some of the Dwendes will disturb people living in the house, making noise inside the house during the night and people living there cannot sleep because of the noise, during the morning they saw their things scattered, some says they found inserted T-short on the Column of the house.
 * Dwende

Higante - A huge or giant human or humanoid being.
 * Higante

Tikbalang - A Half Horse-Half Human, horse body with the four legs and half Human they brings bow and arrow, will will trick and scares human.
 * Tikbalang

Encanto or Fairy - A very beautiful lady,with flawless white skin, blond hair,dressed like a princess but they don't have Philtrum, this is the sign if you will encounter a fairy. They will take you to the beautiful city, which you can not see in this world and invite you to stay there and they share their foods which taste differently all they wants is just you do not have to ask for a Salt when you like to eat. If you will keep on refusing this ended you woke up at the Forest ground and some on the top of the Trees.
 * Encanto

That is why some says when you are in their world, those vast forest will be converted into Cities where they stays.

Once upon a time somewhere in the Visayan areas, they constructed a river bridge for the local to pass through, but the bridge was always collapse because of the rain and flood, so they decided to construct it higher, same thing happened again, they construct the bridge higher and higher but they wondered why the bridge still destroyed and later the locals found out that the Ship of the Encantos or the Fairies loaded with different products specially Cacao passes through it from the mountain to the sea, They saw the ship with white men with no Philtrum the Encantos, so later they constructed the brigde just a little higher of the water level at normal weather condition and the bridge did not damage again. Later they knew that when there be will flood its the time for the ship to sail on the river.

Wakwak - An old woman witch with fangs, capable of traveling so fast by floating with something, associated with a nocturnal bird for her spy and to search for their victim to zip a blood. The bird will trick the victim with a sound whakwhak, when it is loud the witch still far away but it sound a little like far, meaning the witch is near you. The victim has bite on the nick with mark of fangs and scratched wounds.
 * Wakwak

Kataw or Serina - A beautiful half woman and a half fish, some save human from drowning, when she chooses You as a friend she gives you pearls and treasures to make you a rich, but if they are abused They will bring catastrophes like flood and storm resulted to drowning of anybody.
 * Kataw

Okoy - An ugly male humanoids with fins believed living in deep of the oceans, associated with bad character, usually they are the responsible for somebody drowned into the deep that passes on their Territory.
 * Okoy

Manti-anak – A reincarnated soul of a baby died together with the mother in her womb with a devil character, manti-anak is a supernatural entity that will scares and murder people in the house during the night and resulted to somebody death especially to the babies.
 * Manti-anak

A demonic monster creature with a huge mouth and penis. It is believe to be found in Bicol Region, Visayas and Mindanao. According to the tale it misguides it's women victim into a secluded area. In order to escape the women will have to take off her clothes, reverse it, then wears it again, so that the Tambaloslos can see her breast and this makes the penis of Tambaloslos to grow(erect) bigger and bigger until it covers his face and eyes until the Tambaloslos cannot see a thing. The victim then can have a chance to run away.
 * Tambaloslos

 * There is an expression of our elders especially from the people of Bohol “Tambaloslos kang daku” which means you are a big Tambaloslos, this word means worthless person

 * Tale of the Ermitanyo

One day somebody roaming at the Forest, he saw a very old man kneeling at the ground,has a long hair and even his beard touches at the ground. vine plants has already climbing up on his body,in his very old age he so tired and asking God to end his life. Our ancestors says people before has a long life.

 * Tale of the Giant Snake (Higanting Bitin)

One day a man roaming at the forest, when he was tired he rested on the top of the log which full of grasses and mosses, suddenly noticed that the Log is moving, he wants to find out so he walked on the top of log going to the tip, upon reaching, he was shocked he saw a huge head of the snake and he found out that the log he tought, is a giant snake which can not crawl anymore because of its size.

Santilmo - a ball of fire that can hover, believe a ghost from the person that died and pours blood in the area where it can be seen.
 * Santilmo

 * One morning my father told us that last night he saw a Santilmo, when were sleeping he noticed a light glowing from the outside of our house, then he gets up and look at it through a small gap of the wooden wall and he saw a floating small ball of fire hovering at our backyard.

Mambabarang - An old female which is practicing whichcraft, capable of cursing anybody by pinning into a doll with the hair or clothes of somebody she wants to curse.
 * Mambabarang

 * Tale of the floating Coffin

One night two men walking going to their house on a trail in the middle of the forest, while walking, suddenly the wind blows, plant and trees shaken, bamboos bended blocking on the trail, when they passed beyond those bended bamboos that covering their sight, they got scared when they saw the coffin on the trail, they were escaping on it and continue walking, but they noticed at their back that there was something luminous, when they were looking at it, they saw the coffin is floating and following them, they were so scared and they run as much they can.

 * This coffin story believe that is related to the work of the Encantos or abduction done by fairies, when they will abduct a human they will return it as if a dead in a coffin with the tricked and transformed body from the banana trunk, that is why there were a practice when they can found a coffin with the dead missing member or found a returned dead of a missing member, they will not burry it right away they will observe it first within 3 to 4 days if that dead body inside the coffin will transform into a banana trunk , if it will transform back into a banana trunk then the immediate family will demand to return  the missing someone from the Encantos by making a noise to the suspected tree where the Encantos live mostly Balite Trees.

 * I really witness this practice before, when two young ladies my relatives told by their parents to get a Tankong (a vegetable greeny vine plant in wet areas usually used to feed the domesticated animals) in the Basakan ( ricefield). It happend that they did not return 'til the next morning, so it was suspected that they were abducted by the Encantos, that day they gather and bring empty containers encircling the big trees near the rice field and making noise and demanding for the return of these two young ladies. They were happy that the ladies were returned but they found out that these girls went to other place instead of returning home.

 * So the very point of this event was the people specially from bohol ( cause this time mostly participated were people and my relatives from bohol) are still has a strong belief to these supernatural creatures.

Manananggal – A woman alike, has the ability to detach her upper body and fly without the lower part with hanging intestine, when she flies her intestine revolving causes a humming sound. She always thirsty for human blood. She finds hard to re-attach her body if somebody found the other half and put ashes on it.
 * Manananggal

Ungo - A Human alike predator with a scary face that is always hungry for human flesh and associated with devil spirit.
 * Ungo

Balbal - A Human alike predator with fangs that is always thirsty for human blood and associated with devil spirit.
 * Balbal

Impakto - Is a devil, or anybody possessed by the devil spirit who brings bad omen.
 * Impakto

Yawa - is the highest of all form of evil.
 * Yawa

Bathala - the creator (old language)
 * Bathala

Ginoo or Dios - God the most high, The ultimate creator.
 * Ginoo or Dios

From our ancestors handed down oral stories.

By: Roy D. Mangaron 217.165.163.244 (talk) 03:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)217.165.164.161 (talk) 12:46, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Hello, Mr. Mangaron! This looks very interesting.  Would you know if there's any print or online sources we can use for citations? Because that's the only way we'll be able to add this information to the page, following the policies under Citing_sources. - Alternativity (talk) 14:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know if you can search on internet or printed documents regarding this stories. I will just explain on how I get these informations.

I am a Visaya, my father came from Bohol Island and my mother came from Cebu Island, their families migrated to Davao region in the Island of Mindanao, then to Maragusan Valley now part of comval province, the first time my father went that place by walking on the trail of the mountains for more than a day just to reach there, that is a very isolated place that time, we don't have even electricity until the mid of my high school life. I was born in 1969 and I grow up there, during my childhood, as part of anybody past time with the family inside the house, meeting with neighbors and relatives, these are the usual stories I've heard even talking with playmates. So the sources are my Father, Aunties, Uncles, relatives, Neighbors, elders, and even playmates, that is why I called it the handed down oral stories. Others are the usual belief and practice of the Visayans.

Since I found this Topic on this site, this time, I just wanted to share these stories before it will gone from the mind of anybody.

I believe younger generations, not much reached of these stories because they are awake and enjoy with this present hightech society.

Thanks for the chance of sharing.

Roy D. Mangaron86.99.20.120 (talk) 19:19, 26 April 2012 (UTC)2.49.9.244 (talk) 16:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)2.49.9.244 (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)2.49.9.244 (talk) 17:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)2.51.10.46 (talk) 13:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 18:33, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

merge proposal
I propose to merge the Tagalismo section of Tagalog people to this article. It is too detailed and extensive for the scope of the Tagalog people article as per WP:UNDUE, and there is already a great overlap with this article. --  P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:06, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Philippine mythology
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Philippine mythology's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "mccoy": From Anito:  From Bakunawa:  From Babaylan:

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:16, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Added "original research" tag
I've added the "original research" tag as it appears that most of the claims written in this article suffer from lack of reliable sources written in the academic sphere, aggravated with over-reliance in self-published blog entries (e.g. the "Aswang Project" and perhaps many others). This resulted in propagation of hoaxes such as the supposed romance between Bulan and Sidapa, which the Aswang project itself recently declared as hoax. In light of these new revelations, I suggest everyone to avoid adding new information unless it is properly sourced from a reputable journal or book, and avoid as much as possible the reliance on self-published websites as sources of information about Philippine mythology. Stricnina (talk) 12:35, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I have also deleted the unsourced claims like the ones reminiscent of the tired Black Legend trope, such as the alleged deliberate suppression of caracoa boats or the pre-Hispanic Philippine writing scripts like Baybayin. Stricnina (talk) 13:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

 * There's a user named (most likely the same 120.28.57.166 judging from both the user's obsession to this Wiki article and to the related ones) who is struggling with the basic procedures of Wikipedia, trying to undermine my inline tags like "verification needed", spamming the same citations from the same website (notably "The Aswang Project" and the "Myths of the Philippines; Gaverza", just look at the footnotes on how many times he just cited those two sources), and removing the templates like "Original Research" without proper justification. Although I have yet to verify this, I am afraid that he might also be copy-and-pasting some of the contents of those sources in the Wiki article. I suggest someone control it. Stricnina (talk) 22:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

About the word "Anitism"
I did this revision, after reading the cited sources. This is because in some of the cited sources, anitism is not equated to Philippine "indigenous religion". Example quotes from cited sources (notice the comma between the "traditional indigenous religion", "anitism" and "respect for nature", interpretable that those three are different concepts):

"Traditional indigenous religion, anitism (from the word anito or ancestral god), and respect for nature, are deeply held in various aspects of life."

- Sylvia H. Guerrero

Another source mentions that the term "anitism" is "not in current usage" and it is apparently a term limited to discussion of the primitive Tagalog religion, and judging from the content of the Wiki entry, the word "anitism" might not be suitable to use when it comes to the indigenous religions of other ethnic groups scattered throughout the archipelago.

"The word anitism, or the Hispano-Filipino form anitismo, though not in current usage, has been defined in Retana's glossary as "Asociación de ideas religiosas que tiene por fundamento el culto a los anitos," citing Isabelo de los Reyes, who further defines "anitos" as "almas de los antepasados". Fernando Blumentritt characterizes primitive Tagalog religion as continual invocation and adoration of the anitos, the souls or spirits of their ancestors. From its original meaning of "ancestral spirit", the word anito acquired throughout the Philippines the general meaning "spirit.""

- Stephen K. Hislop

I don't completely disagree with the use of "anitism", but at the current status of provided sources, I believe we need a more detailed source discussing the name anitism in relation to "traditional indigenous religion", "Philippine mythology" and the different belief systems of other ethnic groups. A clarification through other sources is probably necessary (of course anyone here can prove me wrong if there are already sources out there properly defining what anitism is in relation to the other belief systems in the Philippines). Stricnina (talk) 18:46, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

About "religion" and "mythology", or why I am deleting the "Concept of beliefs" section
As per this revision, the subsection "Concept of beliefs" is still there. The whole subsection not only lacks verifiable sources (and when the inline tag "verification needed" is added, the user keeps deleting them), it also makes a narrative of a dichotomy between religion and mythology. Take for instance this quote:

"These Western notions and beliefs have noted that the world religions, notably Christianity, were considered ‘religions’, while non-world religions such as folk religions (including the many indigenous ethnic religions in the Philippines, comprehensively called as Anitism) were reduced in the view of the West as mere ‘mythologies’, even though these ‘myths’ are still being believed by specific communities and despite the beliefs in perceived world religions are ‘myths’ themselves."

The subsection continues with claims that "The terms “religion” and “mythology” go hand-in-hand as both terms are actually the same thing, but their usage differs only for the people who use them" and "A religious story is a ‘holy scripture’ to a believer and a ‘myth’ to someone of another culture or belief system”, thus creating a narrative of the dichotomy between religion and mythology, with the implication that "mythology" has some sort of negative connotation. However, I want to align this Wiki entry to how the page Religion and mythology defined both terms:

"Mythology is the main component of Religion. It refers to systems of concepts that are of high importance to a certain community, making statements concerning the supernatural or sacred. Religion is the broader term, besides mythological system, it includes ritual. A given mythology is almost always associated with a certain religion such as Greek mythology with Ancient Greek religion. Disconnected from its religious system, a myth may lose its immediate relevance to the community and evolve—away from sacred importance—into a legend or folktale."

Religion is thus composed of mythology and ritual, and mythology is defined in that other Wiki page as a component of religion. Therefore, I have decided to delete the "Concept of beliefs" subsection because not only the provided sources are either non-verifiable (judging from the continuous deletion of the "verification needed" tag by, as you can see here), but also because it ignores this other point of view regarding the relationship of mythology and religion, thus breaking the dichotomy narrative set up by whoever wrote the "Concept of beliefs" subsection. I am therefore deleting the aforementioned subsection (or section). Stricnina (talk) 19:12, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

No point for a list of minor deities
To, , , , , and all other Wikipedia contributors who left their footprint in this page:

The Wiki entry has become excessively long, with information that are better to be branched out in other more suitable Wikipedia entries. For example, I don't see the necessity of compiling the list of all possible deities that have ever existed in Philippine mythology when we already have a more suitable page called Deities of Philippine mythology that has the exact same purpose. The compilation of all deities should be moved to that page. The purpose of the main article should be to only introduce the readers to the topic and to guide readers as to what are the other existent Wiki entries related to Philippine mythology are there. More detailed explanation regarding certain topics should be moved in more relevant pages. Thus, I have decided to remove the entire section regarding the "minor deities" of pre-colonial Philippines, since there is already an entire page dedicated to that topic.

This decision can also be a measure to avoid non-constructive edits in the future, since that section seemed to be one of the most frequently edited of the Philippine Mythology page and I can't understand the necessity or the constructiveness of any of those edits in this Wiki page when there are other more suitable Wiki pages out there that have the very same function. Those edits of adding more and more and more and more deities do not improve this page whatsoever, it only makes this page unnecessary long, hence why I added the Template:Overly detailed tag.

Please leave comments here if you do not disagree with this decision (or if you agree, I appreciate some "I agree" voice, and perhaps also further suggestions as to how to improve this page). Stricnina (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed, as such I've been trying to revert the article to before this sock started in with their disruptive edit wars. Lupin VII (talk) 22:53, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear , thank you for the support. I have deleted the section regarding the "Other Deities of Philippine mythology" while leaving behind the link to the proper Wiki article. I also feel relieved now that the edit warring will finally stop. I might also document my encounters with the various accounts of Xiang09/IvatanWiki, as I have already done in the talk page of Tambayan Philippines, perhaps by updating the one I have written earlier it with some newer details regarding the recent disruptive edits with the newest account named IvatanWiki. Also, this uncollaborative disruptive editing has its origins on September 1st, when the unregistered IP address 120.28.57.166 started undoing my edits (I have tried to warn him in the talk page about possible devolving to edit warring), and then when he finally registered as Xiang09, when he continued undoing edits. Stricnina (talk) 06:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me. Although I wonder if there's a way to make sure that all the information absent in Deities of Philippine mythology has been transferred there first, before we delete them here? - Koakaulana (talk) 07:30, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Dear, I will add the deities mentioned in the Philippine mythology minor deities section that are not mentioned in Deities of Philippine mythology. In fact, I have recently added some Ifugao deities and Bisayan deities there. It might take some time but I'll do the best I can. Stricnina (talk) 08:59, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the recent edits
I have more or less expressed my concerns regarding the recent edits on the talk page of. My concern lies primarily on the edits regarding the interpretation of the Carolyn Brewer source, which can be read by clicking this link. His edits are about deleting my following statement:

"These evidences, together with the fact that there were no written accounts of female sex/male gender identification amongst the women who exercised authority within the spiritual sphere, prove that spiritual potency was not dependent upon the identification with a neuter "third" sex/gender space, but rather on the identification with the feminine - whether the biological sex was female or male"

- Me

And replacing it with this (which I believe is not a proper use of the Brewer paper, since the Brewer paper itself has properly contrasted the Andaya thesis about the importance of gender dualism for the access of the spiritual world. The user uses a statement of Andaya while citing a source that doesn't really agree with the Andaya model):

"In Brewer's research, Andaya notes a theoretical overview of examples from "throughout the Asian region" in which the male does not conform to 'the more conventional sexual and gender dualism of society.' Andaya states, "the third sex/gender group is regarded as being neither male nor female or being a composite of both. It is their ambiguous status which locates them beyond the more conventional sexual and gender dualism of society and becomes a sign associated with the primal creative force.""

- IvatanWiki

His only reply to my concerns are: "The statement provided by Andaya and Brewer in the old and new versions were the same. Only the wordings were modified with personal connotations, the reason why the actual statements were inputted instead. Sources have been cited. No source that says otherwise was inputted."

He also keeps using a primary source (as explained in the talk page) in order to claim that:

"Although this imbalance may have not always been the case in all ethnic groups. Castano (1895) states that the people of Bicol would hold a thanksgiving ritual called atang that was "presided" by an "effeminate" priest called an asog. His female counterpart, called a baliana, assisted him and led the women in singing what was called the soraki, in honor of Gugurang."

- IvatanWiki

However, it is not clear how the cited primary source supports the statement that "this imbalance may have not always been the case". Again, the user did not give a satisfactory explanation to his continuous reversal of my edits. Stricnina (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * what is your brief and neutral statement? At over 3,000 bytes, the statement above (from the tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for Legobot to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at Requests for comment/Society, sports, and culture. The RfC will also not be publicised through WP:FRS until a shorter statement is provided. -- Red rose64 🌹 (talk) 08:12, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear , the article has been reverted to its version before the edits of IvatanWiki, one of the sockpuppet accounts of, so I am removing the RfC template as it is not needed anymore (the problem has already been solved). I'm sorry for the very detailed post above (since it was my first time using the RfC template) and I'll write a more concise and neutral statement next time I resort to RfC. Stricnina (talk) 08:33, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * -- Red rose64 🌹 (talk) 08:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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Its not POV
No I didn't post in Cairo, but I posted in the article about aicha. I understood your point about the other thread, I have soften my edit + add sources.--Agurzil 09:01, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You are just reverting my edits, do you have any knowledge about what you are reverting.. and you dare calling my edits VANDALISM? I have given facts know by any Algerian, muslim or not, if someone had to argue with me it would be an algerian muslim..and certainly not you. the references will be given by either me or any other algerian, no one is in a hurry... Otherwise you would have to delete the whole article (is there any source in the article?), it just looks nice to so it is NPOV, Vandalism is appropriate to call your reverts, have some knowledge and then argue. --Agurzil 08:39, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi and peace OneGuy.

I didnt know about the 3 rv rule so i got banned and unbanned after clarifying my ignorance.

I also read read your arbitration with some guy i dont remeber his name, and now recoqnice you as a unbiased veteran and i hope it will be easy for me to convince you why my texts are not POV.

My base argument is simple: People almost never hear Shias arguing in a educated maner about our claims, mostly since we are a minority, and that gives most people the imprsion that the Sunni POV of most topic is the NPOV. But that is not the case, something that is easly proven by showing their own books. My point: Sunnis dont acknowlegde the contents of their own book, even if they claim the books are Shai. Enter me for the rescue :P

I mean, look att this:

WHAT SUNNIS CLAIM:

1: ''”n the year 10 H., when the Prophet went to Mecca for Hajj (pilgrimage), he met 140,000 Muslims there, who had come from different parts of Arabia to fulfil their religious obligation. He addressed to them his celebrated sermon, in which he gave a resume of his teachings...'' ...The Quran and the conduct of the Prophet were to serve as the bases of law and a healthy criterion in every aspect of human life.”

Source (plz check the source *smile*)

2 ''”They saddled it and had it ready, so he went down the valley where a hundred thousand and twenty-four or forty-four thousand people gathered round him. There he stood up and delivered the following speech...''

Verily, I have left amongst you the Book of Allâh and the Sunnah (Traditions) of His Messenger which if you hold fast, you shall never go astray.”

[allaahuakbar.net/muhammad/farewell_pilgrimage.htm Source]

3 ''Similarly, the Prophet (PBUH) has stressed the importance of his Sunnah. During the course of Khutbah al Wada’ah (Farewell Sermon) the Prophet (PBUH) is reported to have said:''

”I leave behind two things, if you hold fast unto them you shall never go astray: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah.”

Source

4 '' ...the month of Zil-Qadah 10 A.H. Rasulullah accompanied by 124,000 Sahaba (Companions) left Madinah for Makkah to perform the Hajj...

Our Nabi also told his vast audience: "I leave behind amongst you two things. If you should hold fast to it, you shall be secure from vices and evil ways, i.e. the Holy Qur'aan and the Sunnah of Allah's Nabi "

Source

WHAT SAHI MUSLIM SAYS:

''but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.''

Source

See my Point? Sunnis say A Sunni book says B. And its not only Sahi Bukhari that says B, its more almost ALL hadith collections that narrate that evet, its has over 120 eyewitness that reported it, its THE most authentic hadith of ALL the hadithes.

And still they missquote there own books. I mean, look how they comment that hadith:

''Sahih. Related by al-Tirmidhi, Ahmad, Ibn Abi `Asim, al-Hakim, al-Tabarani, al-Dailami and al-Tahawi.95 The phrase Ahl al-Bayt (members of the house) refers: (i) primarily to the Prophet's wives (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), from the clear context of the relevant verse of the Qur'an (33:33); (ii) to `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan & Husain, from the "hadith of the garment" (cf. Sahih Muslim, Book of the Virtues of the Companions). It is imbalanced and unjust to exclude either of these categories from the hadith.''

Sorce

Did you see that? Its actualy prety incredible what kind of lies Sunnis put forward, ill repeat it:

refers: (i) primarily to the Prophet's wives

Now, do you remember the Sahi Muslim hadith i gave you a few lines above? It also reads:

''...He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden...'' Source

Three hadithes down we find this one:

''We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited.''

Source

Rerun: Thereupon he said: No, by Allah

The Sunnis are SOO desperate to keep their lie that not only do they missquote THEIR OWN Sahi Muslim, they tell stuff that is in THE CONTRARY to their OWN book!

The sad part is its the same site that spred both the lie "primarily to the Prophet's wives" and the translation of Sahi Muslim!

Now, tell me, What is most NPOV: To say "Quran & Sunnah" or to say "Quran & Ahl ul-Bayt"?

Their own book testify against them, their hole school of thought is on shaky grounds cuz of the Calips usurption of Ali rights, its recorded ALL over history and they cant hide it anymore now that they have A) Stoped killing Shias B) Shias can publish books and have internet.

I have seen in your work that you are truly unbiased and dont care for neither my opinion nor the islamophobics opinon. Thats 100% ok by me. JUST WRITE WHAT THE HISTORY BOOKS SAY.

Ill give you hundreds of proofs from Sunni sources that proofs what historicly happend, that muslim where INDEED usurped of Alis leadership, That Fatima did hate abu Bakr, that Aisha did hate ali, that they we NOT cosy-cosy best friends. Ahl ul-Bayt and the Caliphs where enemys of eachother wich nobody can deny when the 6:th Calif murdered Hussain ibn Ali.

I want to argue, i have the proof on my side and my proofs are irefutable for the unbiased mind.

Sorry for taking upp so much text, as you see i burn for this issue.

looking forward for an answer, even a short one.

Peace, --Striver 00:48, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Consider the statistics of Buddhism by Country in Africa and Asia... Please recalculate them, especially for Africa, for I doubt that there are so many Buddhists there. Thanks for the trouble. Mr Tan 23:27, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Discrimination against non-Muslims in Malaysia
thanks for bringing up subject. __earth 00:32, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)

Troll w/ Sockpuppets alert
FYI:

See: Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Ollieplatt

Technical evidence found by Tim Starling confirms that Libertas has multiple sockpuppet accounts. See Requests for arbitration/Libertas/Proposed decision.

 * Salazar, Ollieplatt, Razalah, Jennypratt, Suna, Dean12, Viewvista, Fylc, Billclinton, Anilingus, and Nutrosnutros are all sockpuppet accounts of one user (as acknowledged by technical evidence), likely Libertas.

 * "He's a troll." said RickK

Davenbelle 09:25, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)

Your use of terms for Jewish people
I'm curious to know why you have created articles called Islam by country, Buddhism by country, Hinduism by country, Christianity by country, but when you get to the Jewish faith of Judaism articles you simply call it "Jews By Country". Why not afford them the same respect you did for the rest of the faiths and call it "Judaism by country"?. The word "jew" or "jews" is often used in an anti-Semitic context. Jewish people are more likely to use the word "jewish" when refering to one another. 168.209.97.34 10:56, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I was told to use the word "Jews" by someone Jewish because most of these people do not practice Judaism OneGuy 11:00, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I am in South Africa and I know that most Muslims here do not practice Islam. Also, many Christians do not practice their religion either.  Same can be said with all other religions.  Best you change the names for Christianity/Islam/etc by country to Christians/Muslims/etc by country. 168.209.97.34 11:06, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * A Muslim by definition believes in Islam as a religion, even if he doesn't practice his religion. A Muslim can't be a Muslim if he doesn't believe in God and Muhammad as a prophet. That's not the case for Jews. Someone can be an atheist but yet still be Jewish. See the talk page. I initially used the word "Judaism" but was asked to change it OneGuy 11:21, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Go to Jews by country and see the history, the first version. I used "Judaism" initially OneGuy 11:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration ruling
The case regarding you has closed. You are reminded you that you should not respond to personal attacks in kind, even in cases where you are severely provoked. For further details, please see the ruling. -- sannse (talk) 00:53, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * If some body calls my opinion as 'agenda' and says i am promoting an agenda. Does this count as personal attack? Zain 22:08, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

3 revert rule
Gaming the system is as inappropriate as actually violating the letter of the rule, and has in the past led to others being blocked for doing it. Friendly warning -- not a good idea to do it. RickK 21:04, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

My personal policy, when I see an edit war happening, is to revert the article to the state it was in before an edit war starts. I have no opinion as to the POV of the article in question. I have already suggested to Zein engineer that he/she stop edit warring, but you are the one currently gaming the system, and that's why I cautioned you, so that you're on record that it isn't a hard and fast rule, and if you continue, you might be blocked. RickK 21:21, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

After being warned many times about the WP:3RR, you have for the second time violated policy on Children and minors in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (the first time when the article was under a previous name) by reverting the article 5 times within a 24 hour period: --Viriditas | Talk 21:48, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 20:57, 23 Jan 2005 OneGuy (rv to NPOV version)
 * 11:11, 23 Jan 2005 OneGuy (ops .. that was before 24 hours. Back to POV version .. till tomorrow 2:55)
 * 11:08, 23 Jan 2005 OneGuy (rv to NPOV version)
 * 07:25, 23 Jan 2005 OneGuy (rv to NPOV version)
 * 23:33, 22 Jan 2005 OneGuy (revert to NPOV version ..)

(note: none of admins on the admin board agreed that I violated three revert rule in the example cited above OneGuy 07:45, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC))

Regarding your AMA request
One Guy, I am the Coordinator of the AMA. While I do not engage in advocacy work during my tenure as Coordinator I can help you find an Advocate. I suggest you first look over the list of members and check the AMA Member Statements as well as members individual user pages to see if you want to approach any of the AMA members for assistance directly. That is the way most of the people we work with choose an advocate. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you need any help (best via email from my user page). — ©   Alex756   22:54, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Huh? What is that about? I never requested AMA OneGuy 22:57, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * AMA_Requests_for_Assistance has a listing with your User name as a header. I checked the history and it was done from an ISP number, so I assumed you were asking for help regarding the issues stated under the name. I guess the request is coming in annonymously against you. Please let me know if you can figure out what this is about as the posting was unsigned except that it links to you user page. Thank you. — ©   Alex756   05:40, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Please do not vandalise and forge entries on my talk page
OneGuy, you have forged an entry making it appear to come from Grunt and vandalised my talk page. This is a formal request for you to stop such actions. 168.209.97.34 10:16, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No, the edit summary clearly stated "restored arbitration notice..." OneGuy 10:19, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * It is not up to you to organise my talk page. So don't.  You also removed the notes about the IP being a proxy server and also requests for new messages to go on top.  Do NOT vandalise my talk page again.

User:OneGay
Hello OneGuy, you may be interested in newly registered User:OneGay who seems likely to cause you trouble.--Pharos 11:29, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Must be the old abuser 168.209.97.34. His IP should be examined to see who he is OneGuy 11:36, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No, that is NOT me and I consider your accusation a personal attack. It's very clear to anyone who follows your activity that you have A LOT of people who don't seem get along with you very well.  168.209.97.34 11:44, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * :)) Since you seem to be following me for the past several months, I assumed it was you. It could be someone else though. I know there are a few other POV pushers who don't get along with me :) None of them follow me around as consistently as you do however. OneGuy 11:55, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * That's because you don't harass the others as much as you do me. Even to this day you are vandalising my talk page and accusing me of being "OneGay".  I follow you around because I'm curious to know what else you are doing to try to punish me for trying to negate some of the Islamic apologistic POV you push wherever you go.  It's so ironic how you accuse others of being POV pushers yet you are one yourself.  It's also ironic how it's ONLY YOU that seems to have had a problem with me. 168.209.97.34 12:04, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Read Requests for arbitration/168.209.97.34. None of them thought that I was pushing "Islamic POV," but they did think you were. In any case, I don't have a personal interest in you. You can follow me all you want. Doesn't bother me  OneGuy 12:16, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * In my role as a member of the Arbitration Committee, I have been asked by 168.209.97.34 to deal with what that IP claims is personal abuse by you. The IP puts forward Talk:Islamophobia, of all things, as evidence. Having read it, I suggest you not rise to his bigoted baiting, and instead continue to snicker at such ludicrous abuse. Keep up the good work on the article - David Gerard 21:07, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * What a great example of unprofessinal behavior from a member of the Arbitration Committee! What an asset to Wikipedia!  I'm sure you have employers from the World Book Encyclopedia and Encyclopædia Britannica hounding you with job offers!  Allah could not have sent wikipedia a more worthy committee member!  Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!  Allahu Akbar! 168.209.97.34 08:51, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I've blocked him indefinitely and cleand up. Lupo 11:37, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Please add Kazakhstan and several other countries in Buddhism by country. Thanks.

Yes, of course, please. Or it won't look like a complete list, which it is supposed to be, even it is n/a.Mr Tan, 4:26, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Proxy tests

 * Why the bot posts on wikipedia to test if it's open proxy anyway? The bot would run faster and won't consume Wikipedia resources if the testing is done somewhere else. If you can access any site (such yahoo.com) using the proxy, that would mean it's open proxy and should be blocked indefinitely immediately. And if a later test (done next week or month) fails, that would mean the IP is no longer open proxy and should be unblocked (and blocked again if the next test is positive etc). Just a keep the list of IPs and let the bot test every week or 15 days. Block/Unblock the IPs (or the bot could do it automatically) depending on the test results OneGuy 10:10, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Not all proxies can access all sites. Not all proxies can do posts. There are at least a few people who run open proxies I know of that also edit wikipedia, and have blocked their proxy from accessing wikipedia so it doesn't need to be blocked and they can still access wikipedia. --fvw *  17:33, 2005 Feb 3 (UTC)

Blocking
The several anons reverting Islamophobia are obviously all the same person, but I can't prove that, and none of them seem to have individually violated the three-revert rule yet. But I'll keep an eye out. - Mustafaa 18:52, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah - i get it. How do you tell if an IP-address is an open proxy? - Mustafaa 18:58, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Genital mutilation
According to laws prohibiting certain practices, I should point out that an adult clitorectomy is not classified as FGM, nor is any procedure FGM when it is medically necessary. Whereas even a genital piercing is, by legal definition in US federal law, and the laws of many state, a form of FGM on a minor. With circumcision, the type of procedure is a distinguishing factor. With FGM, only the person's age is the factor.

Clitorectomy is a type of female circumcision, and it is also a type of FGM. But that does not mean the two terms are identical terms, even though in many African countries they happen to coincide. Historically, medically, and legally, there are distinctions. DanP 15:01, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * OneGuy, I did not say they are unrelated -- only that they are not synonyms. The state department only researches the instances that are common in counties being studied, not the all practices that are prohibited by law.  So they are the same in their case.  But that is not always true:

 * FGM includes labia reduction, certain piercings, etc., but are prohibited on minors.  These are not always circumcisions.
 * Female circumcision includes adult procedures, such as when specific medical conditions exist. This is never called FGM. DanP 20:21, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OneGuy, this is not how the articles are currently arranged. If you refer to genital modification and mutilation, three of the procedures are female circumcision. The remainder are not, but some of the remaining ones are outlawed under FGM prohibitions. If you want to redirect to female circumcision, then why are these other mutilations being excluded? If you want to restructure things, go ahead. But start there please. DanP 20:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gzornenplatz/Wik
I'm not sure that there's anything to be done. If he wants to email Jimbo, he can also do that after the arbcom decision comes down. I doubt he will. The whole thing seems distinctly unfair to me. What I particularly don't understand is that the ArbCom has known he is Wik for a long time, and not done anything about it, until this suddenly pops up now for no reason. Furthermore, it seems highly dubious to me that statements by Jimbo that Wik should be banned indefinitely constitute such a ban, especially given that for many months he was not listed on Banned users. Given that Gzornenplatz has been a good and useful editor, and hasn't done anything disruptive for some time, to bring this up now doesn't make much sense to me. Personally, I figured out that Wik and Gzornenplatz were one and the same many many months ago. I told Danny, as someone serious who had generally supported Wik. He told me that he had told Jimbo about it, and that Jimbo had said not to do anything. So what was changed? But, that said, I don't see how anything can be done. In a technical, legalistic sense, they are probably right - effectively, Wik is hard-banned because Jimbo says he is. As such, Gzornenplatz should be too. It's up to him to change that, and he knows it. Whether he does it or not will be more a matter of his own pride than of anything I or you or anyone can say. john k 15:20, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Daeron
Wonderful! I think the best thing to do with Daeron is just let him keep talking. The more he talks, the deeper he digs himself. The whole thing is pretty clearly absurd - we had a disagreement on the Talk:Papua (Indonesian province) page, even! At any rate, Daeron is not a particularly persistent POV pusher, at least based on the experience last time he was here. Once he exhausts various appeal possibilities to get his way, he'll likely give up and leave wikipedia for several months. john k 06:29, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

POV warrior apology
I apologised in the place that the topic arose, but I rather think that I should say more. I'm afraid I've been under a bit of stress with work recently, and have also let the ugly politics of right wing extremists get under my skin, namely the politics of moral equivalence between the Shoah and the Dresden bombing: it's rather unbalanced some of my recent editing, and turned me into a bit of the mirror image of a POV warrior for a patch: an NPOV Don Quixote tilting at windmills in the belief it is political subversion. There was nothing in your editing that could objectively have warranted the insult I applied to you, and you have my unreserved apologies. Charles Stewart 23:50, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Help!
Ali ibn Abi Talib was a big old stylistic mess, so I did a straight copyedit and deleted a bunch of laudatory quotes at the end. I am uncertain, however, of the factuality of many of the claims here. Would you mind taking a look? BrandonYusufToropov 01:09, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio links
Hi OneGuy. The links at autofellatio are not spam. One is to an image of the act and the other is to a website devoted to the act. I can assure you that I am not making money off of these porn sites, and I am quite offended by the insinuation. Please see Assume good faith and No personal attacks in order to avoid this in the future. I'm not going to revert you again, although I would be well within my right to do so, and others probably will; instead, I leave it to you to transcend your personal bias against autofellatio material and revert yourself. T IMBO  ( T A L K )  19:57, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How to edit a template?
The one that attaches to the Islam articles and lots of related ones identify madhabs as "sects," which is a problem. I'm trying to correct this with a separate category, but can't figure out how you edit a template. Any idea where I'd find this? BrandonYusufToropov 15:53, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio
The link is not spam. I have no relation to the site, and I doubt Tony Sidaway does either. --SPUI (talk) 19:07, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

DO NOT delete my comments, or anybody else's. RickK 23:13, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAutofellatio&diff=10303958&oldid=10303905 RickK 23:17, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * Was it possibly an improperly resolved edit conflict? --SPUI (talk) 23:20, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I think I had two windows of IE. One window was the older one. I clicked "Save page" on the older one OneGuy 23:36, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * LOL.. I see you are hanging out in the autofellatio pages now, eh? Let me guess, one of your roomates is into that type of thing just as you stated one of your roomates is muslim?  What a wacky household that must be! :P 168.209.97.34 12:20, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Alexander Soloviev (historian)

Alexander Vasilievich Soloviev (Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Соловьёв; Александар Соловјев; 1890–1971) was a Russian émigré jurist, slavist, and historian of Serbia and Serbian law. His academic activity included research on the Bogumils, Serbian heraldry, philately and archeology, and he also published translations from Russian and French into Serbian. Having fled from Russia not long after the October Revolution, he settled in the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, where he became a professor at the University of Belgrade Faculty of Law (1920-1936). After the end of World War II he briefly served as the first dean of the Sarajevo Law School (1947-1949), before Communist repression forced him to emigrate to Switzerland, where he worked as professor of Slavic studies at the University of Geneva (1951-1961).

Biography
Alexander Vasilievich Soloviev was born in 1890 in Kalisz, Congress Poland, part of the Russian Empire, where his father Vasili Fyodorovich Soloviev was a judge at the Appellate Court in Warsaw. Alexander studied at the Imperial Warsaw University, where he graduated in law in 1912 and historico-philological studies in 1915. In 1918 he became a lecturer in Slavic law in the University of Rostov on Don, constituted during World War I on the basis of the Imperial Warsaw University after the latter was evacuated due to the German occupation of Russian territories.

After the defeat of the White movement in the Russian Civil War, Soloviev, alongside tens of thousands of other White Russians, moved to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, where king Alexander, who had grown up in Imperial Russia, was welcoming to the Russian emigration. From 1920 to 1946 he was a professor at the University of Belgrade, where he received his doctorate in 1928 for his thesis on the 14th-century king and legislator Stefan Uroš IV Dušan of Serbia. At the same time, he taught Russian and Russian literature at the First Russo-Serbian Gymnasium in the Serbian capital. In Belgrade he also married Natalya Rayevskaya, a fellow White Russian émigré in the Yugoslav kingdom.

After the Second World War he was named dean of the newly created University of Sarajevo Faculty of Law from 1947 to 1949, but after the complete communist takeover in the Yugoslavia, the Tito–Stalin split and the beginning of Informbiro period, he and his wife were arrested and imprisoned in 1949. After their release, Soloviev and his family moved abroad once again, this time to Switzerland, where he became professor of Slavic studies and Byzantine history at the University of Geneva (1951–1961). He died on 15 January 1971 in Geneva.

For a short time, he also lectured at the University of Lwow, where he published his research on Dušan's Code in Polish.

His son Alexander worked at the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C.

Selected bibliography

 * Selected Monuments of Serbian Law from the 12th to 15th centuries (1926)
 * Legislation of Stefan Dušan, emperor of Serbs and Greeks (1928)
 * Dušan's Code in - 1349 and 1354 (1929)
 * Greek Charters of Serbian Rulers (1936)
 * Lectures from the History of Serbian Law (1939)
 * History of Serbian Coat of Arms (1958)

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Talk:Usog

Explaining away the Evil Eye as a relic of Spanish colonization
The notion of "Evil Eye" has been around for a very long time. It is possible that the Spanish took it to the Philippines; but it is also possible that the notion of the "Evil Eye" existed in the Philippines before the Spanish arrived.

We know that the notion of the Evil Eye existed around the Mediterranean coast, the Middle East, around the Silk road for a very long time. The Evil Eye could be very useful in tracing the cultural interaction across the globe in prehistoric times. Let's not jump to conclusion that Evil Eye was brought to the Philippines by the Spanish in the recent past without concrete evidence. You know the old school Orientalism: "the Westerners taught everything to the Orientals" including the superstitions. Let's not succumb to it. AverageTurkishJoe (talk) 05:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Undue weight
There's too much weight given to the theories of Jose Fadul. An editor with this name wrote the 2nd part of this article and was banned from Wikipedia. Xasodfuih (talk) 04:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you think so, then be bold enough and trim it.FadulJoseArabe (talk) 18:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok, I did the trimming myself.

 * Re: much weight given to the theory of Jose Fadul on usog, well I am Jose Fadul, and I was one of those three interviewed on GMA TV that was aired last 28 Aug 2008 about the topic; (the other one was an unlettered 'hilot' and the third, a lady medical doctor who simply dismissed 'usog' as non-existent. Let them incorporate their own theories in the article if they have their own, and if they dare). I accepted to be interviewed on the topic after being recommended by those who heard me speak on the same in 1988--about two decades ago--when I first gave a public lecture on what I consider to be a psychosomatic illness. I wrote the 2nd part of the article after a number of those who saw me on TV persuaded me to "strengthen the old Wikipedia article that they felt was wanting." Maybe a third party could arbitrate whether the present article on 'usog' is in order or not.FadulJoseArabe (talk) 18:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! Present article on Usog is more neutral and less patronizing.119.111.86.73 (talk) 03:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Badly done. WP:BLUE: Wikipedia shouldn't be ashamed to call pseudoscientific superstitions by their names. The Philippines don't have alternative psychology to the rest of humanity and, if their actual peer-reviewed research has established the evil eye actually exists, that isn't an alternative to "Western psychology"—it's just a new advance in human knowledge of psychology and the world around us.

 * Since that obviously hasn't happened... the article should be somewhat patronizing towards people who believe it to be an actual affliction, instead of (at best) an epiphenomena of other causes. — Llywelyn II   17:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Balis
The article doesn't need to start with the cruft about other meanings of "balis" because it isn't the anyway. Balis should be a disambiguation page, partially pointing towards this article. (Vanilla Google suggests that there is a primary topic—some kind of drink—but it's pretty ratty these days and can't be trusted to show the actual relative weight of anything touching commercial issues.) — Llywelyn II   17:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Jason Kottke

Not Just "Some blogger," but also not the first to "professionally pursue his weblog."
The complaints about prominent bloggers being listed in Wiki are tiresome. It is borderline comical that an online encyclopedia project like Wiki would foster movements to not include prominent online publishers like Kottke (or Glenn Reynolds, etc.).

That said, I believe the section of the article beginning "This made him the first person to "professionally" pursue his weblog without relying on advertising or corporate sponsorship..." is totally inaccurate. Kottke is NOT the first person to go full time without using advertising or corporate sponsorship. In fact, there are an untold number of bloggers who fall into this category, and many prior to February of 2005. Those Paypal buttons have been working hard all the way back to 2001 and earlier. Sure, Kottke has garnered a lot of media attention for his decision, but he is in no way the first. [DJ] 12:59, Nov 07, 2005 (UTC).

VfD
This article was listed for deletion on February 7 2005, the consensus was that it should be kept. Please see Votes for deletion/Jason Kottke, Rje 02:49, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC).

Sorry for being late..but count my vote for delete. Him and his blog are insignificant for 99% of Wikipedia users - R.

VfD...with a fresher audience.
Some blogger. Writes mostly on NYC; Claims designed a font; Some tech stuff ripped off from sites like Endgadget, slashdot etc. I'm from country side Pennsylvania and like most Wikipedia readers, I believe this isn't worth mentioning here. Let's do VfD poll again. VfD polls should be conducted every three months atleast.
 * The result will be the same. When it comes to blogging, Jason Kottke is one of the most well known out there. This wikipedia article is a well-written, encyclopedic entry. There's no reason to delete it. And please, sign comments using the standard method. ElfWord 00:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Question re- Deletion
Compare this entry with that of Tareq Salahi of the famous White House dinner crashing incident. Most of the excuses offered for this article to be 'Kept' (such as large number of Google Hits, Coverage by Newsweek etc) is not accepted in that entry's talk page.

How does this entry still remain in Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dministrator (talk • contribs) 01:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

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