text:
User:Zzyzx11/Archive1

Soaps
The soap actor articles aren't for every person who ever appeared on one, but for people who are either currently on one, or were on one for at least three years, so they could have sufficient notability in the show itself and in their careers. Mike H 10:25, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Images
I was unaware Wikipedia had any requirements for display resolution. In fact most of the articles I've seen and worked with were designed with 1024x768 as seen from most of the tables that take up half the page (in 800) and galleries that make you scroll. I'll investigate this to see if there is actually a rule of thumb here. I don't believe there is K1Bond007 00:55, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but I don't think Wikipedia has any requirements nor should have any requirements. That said, it doesn't matter. I found a work around. In 1024 it looks the same as it did before. In 800 it wraps thus not forcing the person to scroll. K1Bond007 01:50, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

The one I found uses a template...

Picture_tutorial

^^^^ Delete whenever, you wish K1Bond007 01:54, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Although some quotes on the films are relevant (Bond. James Bond) etc, quotes are usually left to Wikipedia's sister site Wikiquote The site I just linked will take you directly to the article on Wikiquote for the James Bond series. Instead of listing the quotes here what we should do is move whatever isn't a duplicate there and link to it. Wikipedia uses a template for this (example Terminator 2: Judgment Day at the bottom). Just FYI. This should be linked to every Bond film and the James Bond article itself. It's just something we haven't gotten around to do yet. K1Bond007 04:34, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Bond trivia items and IMDb copyright
Thanks for your additions to the various James Bond film articles. But please be careful not to simply cut-and-paste items from IMDb or change just a word or two. I recognized the trivia item re:Claude Renoir you added for Spy Who Loved Me instantly because I wrote the original for the IMDb. Likewise, Broccoli's dream trivia item from Diamonds was also too similar to what had been written in the IMDb. I'm double checking your other additions now. Even if you wrote an original trivia item for IMDb yourself, that site holds copyright on anything posted there, so it needs to be reworded for use here. If the copyvio police at Wikipedia notice the similarities, they slap an ugly copyvio notice on the article that hangs around for weeks and also puts the entire article in danger of deletion. Thanks. 23skidoo 17:29, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Soap article policy proposal
Since you edit soap articles, I figure you might be interested in the policy proposal I've brought up on the talk page for the Soap WikiProject. If you haven't done so yet, be sure to sign your name on the regular page, noting that you support the work in such a project. Mike H 07:45, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

NFL articles
Just wanted to tell you that I'm very impressed at the great work you've been doing on NFL articles. I especially like the Superbowl infobox. Also, one quick questions: Is there a good online source for game summaries of NFL playoff games? Thanks! Carbonite 22:36, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Mainland China" vs "PRC"
Hello. Thanks for sharing your opinion at WP:CFD. But I am afraid in any case if you're well-informed with the situation when you cast your vote I would recommend you to reconsider. — Instantnood 16:51, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. IMHO, If it is under dispute it should not be deleted, but hold. — Instantnood 14:46, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Re: Categories for deletion. My basis for voting was: Naming conventions (Chinese), but "Mainland China" vs "PRC" was currently under dispute. Zzyzx11 22:22, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks Zzyzx11. You can join the discussion at the naming conventions talk page at any time. :-D — Instantnood 05:48, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Re: WP:CFD#Category:Something by country
To make things consistence, and to avoid putting in wrong categories. — Instantnood 18:25, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have been hunting for good examples before you requested for them. :-D — Instantnood 19:05, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Speedy
I've seen you at Newpages and I'd just like to say that I appreciate all the speedy deletion tagging you've been doing. :) Mgm|(talk) 22:30, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Max Encinas
See Muldova. This is nonsense. 24.245.12.39 04:06, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how it is Patent nonsense. Zzyzx11 04:17, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Not patent nonsense; nonsense as used in the definition of silly vandalism ("users will sometimes create joke articles or replace existing articles with plausible-sounding nonsense, or add silly jokes to existing articles"). Thus a candidate for speedy (Criteria for speedy deletion #3). Read the last sentence of Muldova. If you want this nonsense up for a week, I won't argue with you. 24.245.12.39 04:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you're right, I should be. I will work on that. 24.245.12.39 04:36, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Thanks for your vote just now (though strictly past the deadline). --Henrygb 02:04, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks also for your support of my Adminship nomination. In an unrealted thread how do you pick your magic number?--nixie 02:40, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from me too; I appreciate your vote, and will endeavor to maintain high standards in the job. Now every time I pass Zzyzx road I'll think of someone I met on Wikipedia! Best wishes, Antandrus 00:36, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: Criteria for speedy deletion
Thanks for the link to the discussion. The reason came from a revert of Wetman's notice. On review, the article does look more like a sub-stub ... --Zigger 19:12, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)

Template:JB character
You probably won't follow up on the discussion that you started on User:67.171.180.209 so I just wanted to let you know that I reverted that "second" template that User:67.171.180.209 made and am planning to add that to TFD (templates for deletion) since it's a fork of a previously made one. If you guys want to change the design of the present one, go ahead, but Wikipedia doesn't need two exact templates. K1Bond007 06:15, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Liberty Belle VFD
Given that the article is now about the pre-existing DC Comics character who was referenced in an episode of Powerpuff Girls instead of just the reference itself, can I convince you to change your vote? DS 21:02, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

UnitedforumUsers
I noticed your welcome to UnitedforumUsers-- does that mean he's yours to look after? I ask because you might want to have a look at his article Ufu. I would just mark it for deletion, but is there an implied threat here? Mwanner 00:13, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

Nice meeting you too!
Thanks for the warm welcome on my talk page! Chyel 04:20, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for editing my page. it was awful wasn't it?
 * Comment made by Beigeotter regarding Amelia bedilia

Apologies and Cries for Help
Sorry about that; it's just that I have an eye for errors in grammar and spelling. Do you know of any pages deluged in errors of this type? Thanks. -HurriSbezu

Administratorship
Thanks for your comments on Requests for adminship/Wilfried Derksen. Your comment made me aware of the necesity of filling in the Edit Summary line in case of non minor edits. It made ma also ware of careful labeling an edit as minor or non minor. I will change my way of editing pages by clearly selecting minor and non minor edits and to fill in an edit summary in the last case. With this comment I would like to ask you to reconsider your vote. Wilfried Derksen = Electionworld 16:28, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reply to MC
Well, I did a google test for "Micropolis corporation", and lots of results were relfected, but I only used one of them, that webpage with some info said that it went out of business in 1997 plus it isn't that big of a company to have its own article.--TheSamurai 20:31, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, If a company specializes on primarily 1 thing resulting in focusing over 90% of their attention on it, a redirect might be prudent.

Micropolis corporation was obviously mentioned on Hard disk; I read alot of computer-related articles, and Hard disk is the only article with Micropolis mentioned on it. Since it was famous enough to be mentioned on hard disk; redirecting it was probably the prudent thing to do.

Reply to F&H
Well, Fraud and Hoax are mentioned in each others' articles. In the fraud article, they say that some frauds are hoaxes. And in the Hoax article, they say that alot of hoaxes are fraudulent. Since those 2 words occasionally go together, I think an article about the 2 together would be prudent. --TheSamurai 23:36, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I am going against speedy deletion, so read this!

Well, we could merge content from google results for "fraudulent hoax", but we could test this term on Yahoo!, and others besides google to find results Google can't find.

== ==

why? please explain. --Duk 01:01, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * thanks --Duk 01:07, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How to make a Self Page
How do I make a page about myself for my profile? I'd just like something that Can let people get ahold of me if they so need. any help? Bakudai 18:02, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

High-tech lynching
I noticed you created this redirect just before you decided to make your comments about me on VFD. But don't worry, I'm currently working on expanding that article to make it a reasonable one. Zzyzx11 | Talk 01:08, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. The phrase is well-known enough in the American political lexicon that it deserves a full-fledged article. I didn't create this link for the purpose of attacking you, but rather because the situation brought the phrase to mind, I did a search, and since there was nothing there I redirected it to the article of the individual it was most closely associated with. LevelCheck 01:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No need for apology
There's no need for apology. "Fanning the flames" can only serve to resolve this dispute more quickly by getting more people's attention; perhaps we'll get the attention of someone that can show that SuperDude is Samurai's sockpuppet, etc. Frankly, I'm at a loss to explain LevelCheck's nomination and subsequent involvement in all this. android↔talk 02:07, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Zzyzx, you're probably the last person that needs to apologize for any of this. I continue to smell rodents...and you're certainly not one of them.  Thanks for filling me in on that VfD.  I've voted accordingly based on the content and not the author. - Lucky 6.9 03:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, pal. You're a class act. - Lucky 6.9 03:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Clean-up importance
Hi, I appreciate the work you are doing on cleanup-importance. It's kind of eating up vfd, would you consider putting antything that is less than two sentences and obviously unimportant on speedy, especially if those two sentences contain an external link, that way an admin can seepdy anything obviously dubious, or list it for vfd--nixie 03:36, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

About the Pokemon article
Why should we merge the Pokemon article with the Shed Skin ability. It is a minor part of the francise and I removed the merge tags for that article. –User:Pleasehelp Also, I cannot get the spanish pinta you showed me on my talk page. I look to see if I had it on my keyboard, but I guess I do not have it.- Whoops I guess I found it! Pleasehelp 04:27, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject California State Highways
Thanks for the good word! I think it'd be more appropriate to keep the title "California State Highways", since that's the phrase that's generally used anyway and, moreover, "route" is more of a title pertaining to the route in question (much like Mr. or Dr.), while "highway" is much more vague. I hope you help out soon. Bye now! Bennyp81 05:37, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

The Kate Kennedy Club Crest.jpg
Thank you for pointing out that image: The_kate_kennedy_club_crest.jpg did not have a copyright tag, changed it to logo hence it is the club logo. Upload is ok since I am a club member, added not for third party use under picture. Is this ok? new to wikipedia. --Andpersson 09:00, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tags
You might find to be more beneficial in the specific cases of band-related articles, in part because it explicitly links to WP:NMG, allowing editors to know the sort of information that we want to see an article telling us. Uncle G 10:56, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

Vicky Botwright
Good morning. Actually, I did not voice an opinion one way or the other about Vicky Botwright's article. I was just trying to give more background information to those deciding to delete it or not. I shall modify my comment on that page, though. —Eoghanacht 11:01, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

Thanx
Thanx for the welcome. So far I like this a lot. The internet as it's supposed to be. Still have a lot to read about this place though.....

Quibus 22:28, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for supporting my RfA! I shall attempt to put the shiny new buttons to good use. (And now I know where Zzyzx Road is...) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:15, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: Welcome
Thanks, I don't do a lot of welcome wagon greetings, so I can barely remember how to do the let alone keep track of other messages. I'll try to keep it in mind if the occasion arises again. older ≠ wiser 00:31, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

SamuraiClinton, part II
Hi, Zzyzx. I've contacted Raul654, a bureaucrat and Burgundavia, an arbitor to get some idea of how to proceed. I find having to do this extremely distasteful. It goes completely against my nature. However, I really tend to get torqued if I feel that my good nature is being turned against me in some way. That's what I believe is happening here. I'll keep you posted. Thanks again for all your help. - Lucky 6.9 04:40, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

welcomes
Just to say, the welcome message is a lot better than User: Mel Etitis's one. --Wonderfool t(c)e) 22:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
It's always a good idea to check the edit history of an article before adding tags to it. This article was only minutes old when you added the wikify tag; the result for me was an edit conflict and the annoyance of copy-paste-resave of work I'd done. No sweat, but hope you'll be a tad more cautious in the future. Denni ☯ 01:12, 2005 Apr 21 (UTC)
 * Please read Edit conflicts. Whenever you are currently working on a big article like that, please tag it with so you can avoid edit conflicts. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 01:26, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Regarding my RfA
Hello Zzyzx11. I was promoted to admin today, and I would like to thank you for the time you took to review my contributions. As a result of your comments on the RfA page, I promise to broaden my field of contributions to other sysop chores, articles, and content-related projects (I signed up as a translator on TIE, among other things). I hope you never have to complain about me. Cheers. Phils 20:08, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks. SkeezerPumba 21:11, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I obtained the image of Isham Lafayette Burrow from the Hendrix College web site.--Nfrobinson 04:33, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reply about Cold heat
All Wikipedia articles are advertisements to a certain degree. This Cold heat article was expanded; it should be kept because it has alot of Yahoo hits and it is a unique product. --SuperDude 05:08, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It does make sense to merit it into an article. Also, if your brain implodes, just say this on the article's talk page: "This is not an ad, it is an article about a unique device".  And also, put a stub template on it. --SuperDude 05:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the idea if implementing a Wikipedia cleanup template on the Cold heat article rather than nominating it for deletion or speedying it as an ad. --SuperDude 15:23, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the message!
Thanks for the advice. One thing I was wondering was - how do you post pictures to go with the articles?

Seanb91.

Thanks for the welcome.
Nice to see that there are humans around, as well as us pedants....

zowie 21:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks a bunch for moving the stuff I wrote in the RfC against User:LevelCheck. Zscout370 23:12, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reply about images
The pictures I uploaded were taken and drawn by myself. For example, here is one I photograph I just took: Image:Computer speakers.JPG I took that one because I think the Computer speakers article needed one. Also, I don't really consider images taken by myself as copyrighted ones, I consider them to be copyleft. --SuperDude 05:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Copyright of Image
Sorry about that, I'm not entirely sure how to do it, so if I left you the link would you be able to do it, much appreciated.

Olympic Parade :

And another image I uploaded

WIKI LINKS:

Much thanks msg made by Ajp100688

thanks
Thanks for the welcome. I hope to begin authoring articles for living American poets (especially ones close to me) when summer roles around and I have more time.

Aside from reading the tutorials and such, do you have any helpful suggestions?

Cogy 01:52, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

thanks again
No, that is quite helpful. I would be very irritated if one my articles were simply deleted for being incomplete or whathaveyou. I will be sure to back everything up.

Thanks again,

Cogy 02:19, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

thank you!
Thank you very much for your warm, and helpful, welcome! The information is much appreciated! I can't thank you enough for taking hte time and trouble to lend a helping hand.

Gareon

Image copyright
Oops, scrap the original, got it figured and have marked the images as ... I created the images myself and am adapting an article I wrote for wikipedia - http://www.magicalpath.net/tattva/index.htm. I'm pretty much a GFDL kinda guy, and seldom attach copyright notices to my work, but am happy to allow unlimited use, especially for non-profit use. :)

 * msg posted by Magicalpath

Rush Limbaugh | Show merge
thanks for the welcome --

may I ask why you think that the page on Rush Limbaugh and content from The Rush Limbaugh Show page should be merged? a user took the initiative to separate the two because Limbaugh has past media affiliations and other biographical information that need not be mentioned in the context of the show, and vice versa. also, by the time Rush decides to move on to different things he will most assuredly be replaced by someone else - likely Roger Hedgecock, only the show will probably retain its name.

EddieH 06:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My article got "copyright violated!!!"
Hi, I was in the middle of posting and formatting an article on the Tattva's to accompany the Tattva vision article and someone has marked it copyvio... this is not correct, I wrote it!!! They even link to a page http://www.sacred-magick.com/Main.html?http://www.sacred-magick.com/Articles/An%20Introduction%20to%20Tattvas.html which clearly lists *my* name and "With courtesy of www.magicalpath.net" at the bottom... so it is clear that the above link isn't even the owner of the article... Could this please be fixed, so I can complete it? Cheers, Graeme Magicalpath 07:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)MagicalPathMagicalpath 07:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio...
Hi, Thanks. I've done that now. It's just a pain when I was in the middle of creating it... I cannot create a 'talk' page for an article which isn't created yet, can I? Anyway, this is noted, any problems hopefully someone with an ounce of sense can email the original author (ie. me) as this is clearly listed on the page. Cheers Magicalpath 07:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)magicalpathMagicalpath 07:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio...
Hi, Thanks for all your help... well, maybe there needs to be consequences for kids who are too quick to wrongly mark articles. To me it is as bad as posting a copyright violation, especially as it stalls the whole process of editing for 7 days or more. It even states on the copyright page that it could be wise to email the original author to see if they gave permission! Oh well, such is life... give kids a little power and they're prone to misuse it. Cheers, Magicalpath 07:35, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My adminship: thanks!
Hi Zzyzx11. Thanks very much for your vote for my RfA. I promise to be prudent, wise, sagacious and totally unilateral in all my admin affairs. I should say that I am very pleased at the number of people who supported me – it's very nice to know I'm making a positive impact. Cheers again, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 21:04, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not that new here
It's quite some time that i was here. But i didn't forget how to edit Wikipedia pages. I also always preview my edits until they are good, and then i save them. *msg made by Tom-Timmy

 * If you are not new here, then welcome back. And remember, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~. Four tildes (~) produces your name and the current date. Zzyzx11 | Talk 22:38, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

uploaded image copyright
Hi. I made this small contribution, my first. I uploaded an image I took from an object of my collection, so it is copyright free for anyone. thanks. msg from Galessa

Give significance a chance
Dude, when you see an article that already has a recently-added, you really should give it a couple of weeks before you add a. It's only fair, and it avoids a lot of unnecessary VfD debates.

(Please reply here, I find cross-page conversations confusing.) ---Isaac R 03:42, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Please specify which article you are referring to so I don't have to dig through WP:VFD to try to find which one you are talking about. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 03:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Have a look at your own watchlist. You've done it a couple times in the last 24 hours. ---Isaac R 04:00, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Isaac R, do you think I have been seduced by the Deletionist side of the force????? Zzyzx11 | Talk 04:43, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Alright Isaac R, I admit that I forgot to carefully look at the page histories of those two articles. I'll be more careful in the future. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 15:10, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article rescue contest
Thanks! I thought it was an idea whose time had come. :-) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:13, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: Image Copyright Tags
Hi Zzyzx11, I'm still not sure how to do the copyright tag thing, rather confusing to me. But all photos that I am adding come from a Johnny Depp site (johnnydepp-zone.com), hope this helps.

msg made by DeppFan03.

Thanks, I added two more pics under Vanessa Paradis, I think I did it right this time, if not let me know.

Music Notability
Sorry to add articles about minor bands if they're not important enough for Wikipedia; most of them certainly don't come anywhere near meeting the Notability and Music Guidelines. But I would still like to see more articles about college bands on Wikipedia. It really helps to give a better feel for the music scene of an area or university. Maybe this group and other groups whose writeups I've created aren't "notable" in and of themselves, but small discussions of their music really humanize the writeup for the university that they are students of. If you're going by the letter of the law, this writeup probably should be deleted, but please leave me a message before you do so. - McCart42 14:59, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC)
 * Probably the best place to express your concerns about the current Notability and Music Guidelines is to post a message on its talk page. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 15:37, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Michael Schmillen
thank you for determining whether Michael Schmillen is a relevant notable person, you dont even know him. I dont think he will understand, but im sure he will forgive you because thats how very honorable this notable coker student is. Unsigned msg by 209.133.189.10

Your RFA
Hi Zzyzx11 (great user name). I opposed your elevation to adminship but I was hoping you would understand that it was not a personal thing and that it is an expression of mild opposition. I should think you'll pass without needing my vote but I did want you to be aware that what Tony is talking about is a concern. I am in general, I have to admit, less willing to support admins who like to see pages deleted, because a deleted page is lost (no bad thing with some, I'm sure, but judgements of what is worth keeping can be very fraught). Having said that, weeding is an important part of gardening, and it seems to me that your other work has been really good. So it's just a mild niggle and I hope you'll forgive me for it.Grace Note 05:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Although you did not support my RfA, I would just like to thank you for your comments, which I will take in the spirit they were given and try to address them in my future actions. I will do my best to live up to the responsibility of adminship and hopefully show to you the trust is deserved. --khaosworks 07:07, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello, Zzyzx11. Thanks for your vote at my adminship nomination. I appreciate the support. Cheers! — Trilobite (Talk) 13:29, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!
Hello Zzyzx11! Thanks for the welcome message. I appreciate it. This is a nice place to be able to put some of my accumulated knowlege to good use. I also appreciate the help links. Please do not hesitate to ask if you have a question about any edits/articles I have done.

Thanks again! phatcat68 20:45, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your comments
1. Frankly, I don't want to spend my days discussing deletion policy on schools. It's almost certainly going to be fruitless.

2. Because I believe all schools are "notable" enough for Wikipedia, although I deprecate poor articles on them, just as Jimbo does, I have no time whatsoever for the "Beefstew" test and no comment to make on it.

3. Anyone who is interested can see from my contribs that I have been here for three months. I am certainly not going to put notices to that effect on my userpage or anywhere else. I don't care about the accusations of editors with a grudge and I'm not interested in "defending" myself, only in building a great encyclopaedia.

Having said that, which I realise is a bit negative, thank you for your comments. Grace Note 22:07, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Thanks for the really positive approach you're taking to your RfA. If it doesn't succeed, please try again in a month and let me know that you are doing so. I for one will look positively on it because you have shown such a willingness to correct perceptions of you. Grace Note 23:19, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

assistance sought == ==

Thanks for your message. As I am new to wikipedia, would you plz mind placing those four articles for VfD, on my behalf, as I have to become still familiar with several finer points. Thanks in advance.--Bhadani 18:12, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming anons
I know about the "subst:anon", but I thought I would create my own version. You see, I wanted one that was more welcoming as well, offering advice for editing, and not just proselytizing. I also thought mine was more personal, so I created a new experimental Welcome template at Template:Welcome3. I hope this isn't a breach of conduct or anything, I thought it was perfectly acceptable. I've stopped for now, awaiting your response. Do you really think there's anything wrong with it? --Dmcdevit 04:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's just at first glance, it looks almost exactly like . I apologize. Continue to use it if you want to. Zzyzx11 | Talk 05:00, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh good. Sometimes I'm a bold person, so you can always talk to me when I do something dumb! :) --Dmcdevit 05:04, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! SO Much!
I am a kid in NYC and was hoping that this place would be okay! You just welcomed me in. Thanks! Msg by Turtleboy

Thanks
Cheers for the welcome, much appreciated. Leithp 13:07, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

{testX} messages
You might want to sign {testX} messages that you leave for people who are messing around - for people who are just misguided, it takes a bit of the sting out. For the rest, I think they deserve to see it - after all, the info is in the history. Noel (talk) 14:17, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, I guess I got a bit lazy about that. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:00, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Jason_hogg
Apologies. I saw this article Jason_hogg, realised it was pure vanity, so decided (wrongly!) that it should be speedily deleted. I've now read the Vanity_page page. --Sgkay 22:33, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

how do you vote for a delete?
this page Will Lenox is untrue and was written by a student at the school i work at by a different student....for obvious reasons i would like to know what i can do about deleting it. Msg by 209.133.189.10

Requests for comment/Haham hanuka
I left out one of the notable frauds he's currently committing on English Wikipedia. His user page is an extensive list of random Hebrew and English words, the purpose of which is meant to pull in people from search engines. He also committed this act on the Hebrew Wikipedia, and the admins there explained what he did (translation):

 * This page contained, until September 30, 2004, a list of words whose purpose was to pull in random surfers from the internet. This list could've caused Wikipedia heavy damage, for search engines do not act with forgiveness towards attempts to cheat them. Because of this, [an admin on Hebrew Wikipedia] was forced to clean out this page, and to lock it.

They didn't take this lightly, and neither should we. -- brian0918 ™  19:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

guess what
no one likes you!
 * Comment made by 24.250.212.59 after I reverted this user's vandalism on Florida Blue Key and putting this person's vanity article Katherine burbank on VFD.
 * I like Zzyzx11, so there. :p Samaritan 05:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC) (via the above's contributions)

Information I added
Hello, The information that I added recently added such as for Kaal, Raincoat The Movie, etc is taken from BollySpice.com and that's my own website so I am giving the permission to use it at WikiPedia. Is there something wrong with this?

Regards, Faizan

 * Comment made by 82.37.24.26

 * If you are the copyright holder of the text of an article, then please leave a message indicating this on the article's discussion talk page. That being said, the articles from your web site are not appropriate for an encyclopedia such as Wikipedia. They do not follow our guide to layout. They do not seem to obey our neutral point of view guidelines. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 13:43, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Disco Dog featuring Charlie
You seemed to have kept the article, but someone will remove you or this article, if it turns out "bogus" to protect the article? msg by 4.188.70.220
 * Oops, that article accidently slipped past by "bogus" detector. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:27, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: User:Zzyzx11/Archive1


text:
Template:Hiero/doc

undefined there are a number of subpages in this template space that are used for writing Egyptian hieroglyphs in Wikipedia articles. The codes for the tags may be found at Help:WikiHiero syntax.

See WikiProject Ancient Egypt/Templates for further details.

Parameters

 * 1
 * name of hieroglyph

 * 2
 * hieroglyph (<hiero> ... </hiero> expected)

 * align
 * Position the whole hieroglyph box

 * style
 * Specify a custom style for the box

 * era
 * BC / BCE
 * gardiner
 * The identifier by Gardiner's sign list code (roughly, A–Z + number: A20, Z12)

 * unicode
 * The Unicode codepoint for this hieroglyph (format: looks like U+13008)

Template family
The most useful templates are:

Template Data
{	"params": { "1": {			"aliases": [ "name" ],			"required": true },		"2": {			"aliases": [ "image" ],			"required": true, "description": " ... expected" },		"era": {}, "align": {}, "style": {}, "unicode": {}, "gardiner": {}, "BC": { "description": "BC or BCE", "default": "BC" }	},	"paramOrder": [ "1",		"2",		"align", "era", "BC", "style", "unicode", "gardiner" ] }

title: Template:Hiero/doc


text:
Grigore IV Ghica

Grigore IV Ghica or Grigore Dimitrie Ghica (Albanian : Gjika) (June 30, 1755 – April 29, 1834) was Prince of Wallachia between 1822 and 1828. A member of the Albanian Ghica family, Grigore IV was the brother of Alexandru II Ghica and the uncle of Dora d'Istria.

While many of his relatives had occupied the throne in both Wallachia and Moldavia as Phanariotes, the regime change after the Greek War of Independence, Tudor Vladimirescu's 1821 uprising and the Philikí Etaireía's brief rule in the two Danubian Principalities, led to Grigore IV being considered the first in a succession of non-Phanariote rulers. The elections for Prince in the Divan, although prescribed by the Akkerman Convention of 1826, were not to be organized, due mainly to precipitating events. As a Prince, Grigore watched after the development of agriculture in his region. He also assisted in the development of a national Romanian literature.

The Prince was ousted by the Russian occupation (see Russo-Turkish War, 1828–1829).

Grigore IV Ghica was first married to Maria Hangerly or Chantzeres (relative of Ecumenical Patriarch Samuel I Chatzeres), with whom he had six sons (Costache, Iorgu, Scarlat, Grigore, Panait, and Dimitrie), and then to Eufrosina Săvescu, with whom he had two daughters (Maria and Alexandrina).

title: Grigore IV Ghica


text:
Template:Hiero/ok/bgcolour

sandybrown

title: Template:Hiero/ok/bgcolour


text: Category:Florida state parks

title: Category:Florida state parks


text:
Talk:Cowl unit

Untitled
Before I edit this page, I wanted to make sure there would be no objection...the GE GENESIS series of locomotives are not cowl unit locos, they are a whole new design from Krupp and GE that is basically a monocoque. You can read it online here: or, if you have access to the journal,   So before I take down the photo of the P42 and references to it (and potentially edit the cab unit article) I wanted to make sure this wasn't going to be a controversial edit. Your input is requested. Thanks! VCA 12:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Actually, never mind. In light of a patent I located on the GE GENESIS locos,, they are confirmed to be of monocoque design and are in no way cowl unit locos.  I will edit this article accordingly. VCA 20:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Shortdesc/lead conflict
The lead of the article says "a cowl unit is a body style of diesel locomotive", but the shortdesc (currently on wikidata, unimported) says "diesel or electric locomotive [...]". I have no knowledge on this subject, but this makes me wonder, which is right? No info on electric cowl units is present on the article, but maybe the shortdesc is the right one and we can find sources to expand on this? YuriNikolai (talk) 01:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:Cowl unit


text:
User:Kgarcia

I am a cheerleader at Davis High school and after tryouts; the cheerleaders attend cheerleading camp every summer. Cheerleading Camp is a week long retreat where cheerleaders come to learn the basic technique and skills for cheerleading. Some things basic things that are learned are

jumps- http://www.varsity.com/index.asp?article=1300

Motions- http://www.varsity.com/index.asp?article=1300

Stunting- http://www.varsity.com/index.asp?article=176 Cheers- http://www.varsity.com/index.asp?article=88

and tumbling-

Cheerleading camp also provides leadership and team building activities. Along with getting a squad together, camp leaders teach you dances,cheers and crowd encouraging ideas for the upcoming season.

Cheerleading life: Cheerleading camp is a usually a week long program that takes place on a college campus. This provides cheerleading with room and a place to eat and shower and of course cheer.

Cheer Camp programs: The 3 different programs for cheerleading camp is NCA- National Cheer Assosiation

USA- United Spirt Assosiation

UDA- United Dance Assosiation

UCA- United Cheer Assosiation each program offers a little more in there expertise, for example, UCA emphisises more on cheering and techinques and ideas. While attending UCA, you may not learn as many dances.

Cheerleading camp is not easy but after it's over, you have learned and mastered skills, bonded with old friends and made new ones.

title: User:Kgarcia


text:
Template:Hiero/ok/bordercolour

indianred

title: Template:Hiero/ok/bordercolour


text:
Template:Hiero/1ip/bgcolour

crimson

title: Template:Hiero/1ip/bgcolour


text:
Talk:Cowl unit/to do

 * Explain why cowl units were favored in some locations more than others

title: Talk:Cowl unit/to do


text:
Fetal pig

Fetal pigs are unborn pigs used in elementary as well as advanced biology classes as objects for dissection. Pigs, as a mammalian species, provide a good specimen for the study of physiological systems and processes due to the similarities between many pig and human organs.

Use in biology labs
Along with frogs and earthworms, fetal pigs are among the most common animals used in classroom dissection. There are several reasons for this, including that pigs, like humans, are mammals. Shared traits include common hair, mammary glands, live birth, similar organ systems, metabolic levels, and basic body form. They also allow for the study of fetal circulation, which differs from that of an adult. Fetal pigs are easy to obtain at a relatively low price because they are by-products of the meat-packing industry. These pigs are not bred and killed for this purpose, but are extracted from the deceased sow's uterus. Fetal pigs not used in classroom dissections are often used in fertilizer or simply discarded. Fourthly, fetal pigs are easy to dissect because of their soft tissue and incompletely developed bones that are still made of cartilage. In addition, they are relatively large with well-developed organs that are easily visible.

Alternatives
Several peer-reviewed comparative studies have concluded that the educational outcomes of students who are taught basic and advanced biomedical concepts and skills using non-animal methods are equivalent or superior to those of their peers who use animal-based laboratories such as animal dissection. A systematic review concluded that students taught using non-animal methods demonstrated "superior understanding of complex biological processes, increased learning efficiency, and increased examination results." It also reported that students' confidence and satisfaction increased as did their preparedness for laboratories and their information-retrieval and communication abilities.

Three studies at universities across the United States found that students who modeled body systems out of clay were significantly better at identifying the constituent parts of human anatomy than their classmates who performed animal dissection. Another study found that students preferred using clay modeling over animal dissection and performed just as well as their cohorts who dissected animals.

Development
The size of the fetal pig depends on the time allowed for the mother to gestate:

Nutrition
No studies have found significant data regarding the mother swine's diet and fetal pig survival rate. However, there is a correlation between a mother pig having a nutritious diet containing proteins, vitamins and minerals during gestation period and the survival rate of piglets. The correlation, however, is not statistically different. Weight is also not a factor of survival rate because a healthier diet does not lead to a heavier offspring or a greater chance of live birth.

Placental development
The placenta is used as a means of transferring nutrients from the mother to the fetus. The efficiency at which nutrients are transferred dictates the health and growth of the fetus. Fetal weight/placental weight ratio, was commonly used to determine placental efficiency. Instead, a more accurate way of determining fetus growth is through certain characteristics of the placental lining. The placenta is made of a folded trophoblast/endometrial epithelial bilayer. The width and length of the placenta folds are positively related and increase as gestation progresses.

The width of the placental folds decreases until day 85 of gestation. From here, the width increases with gestation and is at its largest around day 105. The rate at which these folds increase is negatively related to fetus size. Thus, greater fold widths will be seen in smaller fetuses. Although increasing placental fold width does increase the interaction between fetus and mother, nutrient exchange is not most efficient in smaller fetal pigs, as would be expected. Many other factors, including depth of placental folds, are also responsible for these interactions.

Prenatal development
The prenatal development of the fetus includes all the tissue and organ development. Within hours of mating, the sperm and egg undergo fertilization in the oviduct and three days later the egg moves into the uterus. The cells begin to specialize by day six, and attach themselves to the uterus lining by day eleven. From fertilization to day 18, the endoderm, ectoderm and mesoderm have been forming inside the embryo, and are completely formed by day 18, the same day the placenta forms. The endoderm transforms into the lungs, trachea, thyroid gland, and digestive tract of the fetus. The ectoderm has a greater role in the development of the fetus. It forms into the skin, nervous system, enamel of the teeth, lining of the intestine, mammary and sweat glands, hoofs, and hair. The mesoderm forms the major organ components that help keep the fetus alive. It forms the muscles and connective tissues of the body, blood vessels and cells, the skeleton, kidneys, adrenal glands, heart, and the reproductive organs. By day 20, most of the major organs are visible, and the last half of gestation focuses greatly on increasing the size of the fetuses.

Development of lymphoid and haematopoiesis tissues
The development of the lymphatic system and the formation of blood circulation occur at different stages of fetal pig development. The first lymphatic organ to become present is the thymus. Lymphocyte builds up in the spleen on the 70th day. By day 77, the thymus is already completely developed and is distinguishable from other organs. Also, follicles are present on the tongue and intestines on day 77. On the 84th day, Periarteriolar lymphoid sheaths appear in the fetal pig. By this time, the liver and bone marrow are active and functional.

Environmental effects on swine reproductive performance
Studies have shown that litter size, the amount of floor space during the growing period, and the number of pigs the gilt, or female pig, is placed with while growing affect the reproduction rates of the gilts. Data from a study in 1976 by Nelson and Robinson showed that gilts from a small litter size ovulated more than the gilts from the larger litters. The study suggests stress plays a role in impacting the reproduction. The amount of floor space has been shown to impact the time it takes gilts to reach puberty. An adequate amount of floor space allowed the higher percentage of gilts to reach puberty sooner than those gilts who had less floor space. The gilts placed in smaller groups bore one more pig per litter than gilts in larger groups. Still, the environment in which the fetal gilt develops is significant to the reproductive and physiological development.

Preservation
Fetal pigs are often preserved in formaldehyde, a carcinogenic substance. A 1980 study found that exposure to formaldehyde could possibly cause nasal cancer in rats, leading to research on whether this was possible in humans or not. In 1995 it was concluded by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) that formaldehyde is a carcinogen for humans.

Anatomy
The anatomy of a fetal pig is similar to that of the adult pig in various aspects. Systems that are similar include the nervous, skeletal, respiratory (neglecting the under developed diaphragm), and muscular. Other important body systems have significant differences from the adult pig.

Circulatory system
There are only a few differences between the circulatory system of an adult pig and a fetal pig, besides from the umbilical arteries and vein. There is a shunt between the wall of the right and left atrium called the foramen ovale. This allows blood to pass directly from the right to left atrium. There is also the ductus arteriosus which allows blood from the right atrium to be diverted to the aortic arch. Both of these shunts close a few minutes after birth.

Digestive
The monogastric digestive system of the fetal pig harbors many similarities with many other mammals. The fetal pig's digestive organs are well developed before birth, although it does not ingest food. These organs include the esophagus, stomach, small and large intestines. Mesenteries serve to connect the organs of the fetal pig together. In order for digestion to occur, the fetal pig would have to ingest food. Instead, it gains much needed nutrition from the mother pig via the umbilical cord. In the adult pig, food will follow the general flow through the esophagus, which can be located behind the tracheae. From the oral cavity, the esophagus leads to the stomach, small intestine, and large intestine. Other organs developing during fetal pig development such as the gallbladder, pancreas and spleen are all critical in contributing to the overall flow of the digestive system because they contain digestive enzymes that will perform chemical digestion of food. After food is digested and nutrients are absorbed, the food follows through the large intestine and solid wastes are excreted through the anus. In the fetal pig however, the metabolic wastes are sent back to the mother through the umbilical cord where the mother excretes the wastes. Other remaining wastes remain in the fetal pig until birth. Then

The oral cavity of the fetal pig begins developing before birth. The tongue's taste buds, located in the enlarged papillae, facilitate food handling after birth. These taste buds develop during fetal development. Adult pigs have up to 15,000 taste buds, a much larger number than the average human tongue, which has 9,000.

The dental anatomy of the fetal pig shows differences from adult pigs. The fetal pig develops primary teeth (which are later replaced with permanent teeth). Some may erupt during fetal stage, which is why some of the fetuses show evidence of teeth. Depending on the age of the fetal pig, it is natural to see eruptions of third incisor and canine in the fetal pig. Because the fetal pigs were still in the mother's uterus, teeth will still form which supports reasons for hollow unerupted teeth that may be seen. Similar to human dental anatomy, the overall dental anatomy of the pig consists of incisors, canines, pre-molars, and molars. Piglets can have 28 teeth total and adult pigs can have 44 teeth total.

Urogenital
The fetal pig's urogenital system is similar to the adult pig's system with the exception of the reproductive organs. The fetal pig urinary tract is relatively developed and easy to locate during dissection. The kidneys are located behind the abdominal organs and are partially embedded into the dorsal body wall by the spine. The ureters carry the urine to the urinary bladder, the large sack-like organ by the umbilical artery and vein, to the urethra. From there, the urine can be excreted.

Female
If the fetal pig is a female, there will be a fleshy protrusion ventral near the anus called the genital papilla. The female's internal reproductive system is located below the kidneys. The two sac-like organs attached to the coil-like fallopian tubes are the ovaries. The uterus, which becomes the vagina, is located where the fallopian tubes meet. This system can be difficult to find as it is small as well as extremely dorsal and posterior to the other systems.

Male
Male fetal pigs have an urogenital opening located behind the umbilical cord. The swelling behind the hind legs of the fetal pig is the scrotum. The male's internal reproductive system has two scrotal sacs, which depending on the age of the fetal pig may or may not have developed testes. The epididymis coil on the testes connects to the vas deferens. The vas deferens crosses over the ureter and enters the urethra, which then connects to the penis located just posterior to the skin. Similar to the female system, it may be difficult to identify all parts.

title: Fetal pig


text:
Jack Gartside

John Clarence "Jack" Gartside was an American fly tyer and fly fishing author.

Considered one of the most talented and innovative fly tyers of the modern era, Gartside was taught how to tie flies at the age of 10 by Ted Williams, the Boston Red Sox outfielder. Among his best-known original patterns are the Sparrow, the Soft Hackle Streamer, the Pheasant Hopper, the Gartside Leech, the FishHead, and the Gurgler. His designs have been featured in Eric Leiser's "Book of Fly Patterns," Judith Dunham's "The Art of the Trout Fly," Lefty Kreh's "Salt Water Fly Patterns," Dick Stewart's "Salt Water Flies," Bob Veverka's "Innovative Saltwater Flies," and Dick Brown's "Flyfishing for Bonefish." He was one of the first fly tyers to be profiled in Sports Illustrated (October 12, 1982). Gartside has been profiled in Robert H. Boyle's "Fishing Giants and Other Men of Derring-Do," and David Dibenedetto's "On the Run." In 2010 the Catskill Fly Fishing Center and Museum inducted Gartside into its fly fishing hall of fame. The American Museum of Fly Fishing added a number of Gartside items to its collection.

Tying style
Gartside was a proponent of natural materials and the impressionist style of tying. A common theme in his patterns is blood marabou wound as hackle, as seen in his Soft Hackle Streamer and Soft Hackle Deceiver patterns. Although limited in his use of synthetic materials, he is credited with popularizing the use of corsair tubing (as seen in his FishHead and Floating Minnow patterns), and closed-cell foam (as used in his Gurgler pattern).

Published works

 * Flies for the 21st Century
 * Fly Patterns for the Adventurous Tyer
 * Flyfisherman's Guide to Boston Harbor
 * Original Salt Water Fly Patterns
 * Scratching the Surface
 * Secret Flies
 * Striper Flies
 * Striper Strategies

title: Jack Gartside


text:
Template talk:Self-reference

Instructions for use
This template should be placed around any text in the main article namespace which is a self-reference (see Avoid self-references).

Why, you are asking, is such a trivial thing in a template? It is here to deal properly with self-references. In support of forks and mirrors, articles should never refer into category space, wikipedia space, or talk space.

However, occasionally there is a good reason to provide a "see also" link into such spaces. Currently the policy is that self-references are only allowed using a template. By using this template, you can include such a link in a way that allows a particular fork or mirror that doesn't copy these spaces to easily suppress that link. Mirrors and forks can choose to blank the template and suppress these references, or they can do a little bit of work and turn them into external references to Wikipedia. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:19, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC) (edited for clarity by Creidieki 18:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC))

 * I agree that this template is useful occasionally. However, potential users should be warned that just because a self-reference is placed in a template is not a license to include all the self-references you desire. They still create problems for paper versions of Wikipedia and are often not encyclopedic or professional. Use discretion. Deco 07:26, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The only way I see this of any use is to make it very extensible. I am going to rename it to Template:Selfref (sr is undecipherably vague) and also change it to only accept a parameter, with no accompanying default text. To make use of it, you'd insert. -- Netoholic @ 17:54, 2005 Feb 7 (UTC)

TfD'd
This template was listed for deletion on Templates for Deletion. The decision was to keep this template. Please see Templates for deletion/Log for more information. If you are viewing this after April 2005, you will have to see TfD's history.

See also??
I can understand Category:Wikipedia maintenance, but what is the purpose of having a main and a See also section hidden within the template?—jiy (talk) 02:04, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * for easier navigation and thus a better wikipedia infrastructure -- Zondor 09:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

avoid self references mark
I made a change that adds a little mark to indicate it is a self reference and appears like this:

This is a self reference ‹sr›

Perhaps, its an eyesore but the point was to indicate this is a self-reference other than using pastel shaded information boxes. And as you know, self-references are not professional.

-- Zondor 09:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Made another change that would appear like this:

 *  this is a self reference

-- Zondor 18:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Both have subsquently ceased to exist. --Wcquidditch | Talk 17:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Adds extra space
This template seems to add extra space after the text in a way other dablink templates don't. For example, on the current version of Main, there is a gap between "For the Wikipedia main page, see Main Page" and "For the American state, see Maine." Anyone able to fix this?72.72.199.151 (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I've changed the template in the following way:
 * I changed the normal version to use dablink, so should work like all the other hatnotes. This (I hope) will fix 72.'s concerns.
 * I changed the inline version to use the plainlinks and selfreference classes, just like the normal hatnote version.
 * I also changed the code to allow the inline version to be invoked with  in addition to  . --h2g2bob (talk) 22:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Inline does not work in bulleted lists
I would like to add a selfref to a disambiguation page, but the template does not allow inclusion in a bulleted list.
 * Item 1
 * Item 2

- Even though there is an aserisk before the 3rd item, it does not show up as a bullet. Can someone fix this, or is there an alternative method? --George100 (talk) 07:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

 * This bug still occurs, in the sense that if you want to delete the entire bulleted item as follows you get strange formatting.

 * Item 1
 * Item 2

 * It would be best to eliminate the bullet as well as the item in the cleaned output. 14:13, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit Protected
{{#switch:{{{2|NONE}}}

is causeing extra space on articles. Please change to

{{#switch:{{{2|NONE}}}

or

{{pp-semi-template|small=yes}} {{#switch:{{{2|NONE}}}

or

{{pp-semi-template|small=yes}} {{#switch:{{{2|NONE}}}

. Thank you.96.53.149.117 (talk) 02:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * {{Done}} Ruslik (talk) 14:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Editprotected request involving this template
This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 20:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Request to remove extraneous space
At the end of the page, there's additional spacing. If you could remove that (so as to remove an entirely unnecessary and empty line on all those articles), that would be most appreciated! Thanks. --Qwerty Binary (talk) 14:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, there's no additional space. (If you copy all the source, into a notepad, you can check for yourself. The way that pagebreaks are highlighted in our edit-window makes it appear as if there is a superfluous space, but there is not.)
 * Which article(s) are you seeing problems in? (examples are always handy :) -- Quiddity (talk) 00:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

"Exclude in print" bug
does not inherit the print-exclusion code:

"... selfref normally uses Hatnote which has class="dablink" and that class is excluded in print by MediaWiki:Print.css. However, if the rarely used parameter is present in a selfref then Hatnote is not used and the selfref is not excluded in print. Spelling is an example of that (I had to examine around 50 selfrefs to find an example with inline)."

Posting this here; going to put this on my to-do list and attempt a fix after further investigation (if needed) later. meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 04:24, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure uses with the inline parameter should be excluded from print. The quoted post was an explanation of the current situation and not an argument for changing it. I don't know how selfrefs with the inline parameter are generally used in practice. Maybe there are cases where we want inline selfrefs to be printed, and where users expect it. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Agreed. After a lot of thinking, I've decided I'm not going to change this, for two reasons: 1.) I'm not confident enough to be sure I won't break functionality and 2.) after examining the first 50 namespace transclusions (I checked—Spelling does appear to be the only article-namespace page using it) I'm thinking it's not that big a deal.
 * Not to say it should never be changed, but just that it's too messy right now.
 * However, I will mention print-exclusion in the template documentation. The folks over at History of Wikipedia seem to be using Selfref incorrectly. I'm going to fix this. meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 20:22, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

 * → {{sl|hastemplate:"selfref" insource:/\{\{ *[Ss]elfref *\{{!}}[^}]*inline/ prefix: :}} shows the nine six or so uses. I don't think self references should show in print, but then what does class="selfreferences" do? Wait for a mirror site to interpret it? So if I want to say something in article space, for online users, like search and navigation goodies, I recommend using nomirror, which does class="selfreference noprint".
 * International phonetic alphabet says.
 * Spelling says
 * Subscript and superscript says
 * Common sense (disambiguation) says Use common sense, Wikipedia namespace information page|inline}}
 * DIFF (a dab page) says
 * The others are false positives. — Cp i r al  Cpiral  08:13, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

 * "class=selfreference" marks what will be removed from mirror sites, per CharlotteWebb at wp:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_45. What is removed from a web site should be removed from print as well, right? —  Cp i r al  Cpiral  08:23, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Should we warn against nested templates?
Nested templates (similar to those used in Multiple issues) of the same general location- & format-type can be made to work to some degree with Selfref, according to a few casual tests I ran at As of. However, I think the documentation should warn against it due to the resulting formatting errors:
 * Minor and subtile, and therefore more likely to be missed: Nesting another indented template inside the indented Selfref template indents the resulting line of text twice as far as is standard:

 * Major: Text within Selfref but before (outside) of the nested template will cause a line break, with the resulting text from the nested template indented twice as far:

Should we put a warning in or leave it out?

Also, what is the correct WP term for "a template that creates an indented, italicized line used at the top of an article or section"? Is that a hatnote template, or does the term "hatnote" include "message boxes used at the top of an article or section"? Hm. Maybe this distinction doesn't matter here, since something like Refimprove would be obviously ugly instead of subtly. Plus, if we caution against nesting any template, that would cover it. Still, I'm curious how robust our distinctions are, for the sake of clarity elsewhere.

Sorry all I can do is point this out, but my real-life limitations are getting in the way of doing this myself right now and I might not make it back here. Thanks in advance if you can discuss or work on this! — Geekdiva (talk) 22:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

You've discussed this template recently, so I'd like to point this out to you. Please see my post above. Thanks! — Geekdiva (talk) 22:25, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Trim input
I think users should be free from the unnamed parameter space handling. It doesn't trim. I think we should trim space from any given input, so that the spacing output is determined naturally, by the spacing the template is given in the wikitext. — Cp i r al  Cpiral  00:33, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 April 2016
Add the  tags. I have saved the suggestion in the sandbox.

ADTCTalk Ctrb 10:06, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The version in the sandbox you started from did not match the live template. There's a whole lot more there than just your request. Could you refresh the sandbox and have another go please? I'd do more but am not currently at my PC. Bazj (talk) 10:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 3 November 2018

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Add  in this template per this discussion at the village pump. I don't think this edit would be controversial because the editors would not be affected by this edit. Thanks. Hddty. (talk) 11:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is a pretty major change to how this template displays since doing this would hide it for most people, so there should be an explicit consensus in favour. Changes would also have to be made to Module:Hatnote since it also provides selfref functionality. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Should we make this template hidden in the article mainspace with a code to those who doesn't logged in, especially readers? The articles that linked using this template are mostly only in the interest of the editors and often distract the readers who come here only to read (example: Fair use, Internet troll, International Phonetic Alphabet). We already put links to the project page at the left bar and from the Main Page. Some would probably argue that this hatnote would attract new editors, however that's not our purpose, our purpose is to create an encyclopedia. Per Hatnote: "Their purpose is to help readers locate a different article if the one they are at is not the one they're looking for", most readers not even intended to look for the project namespace in the first place. This discussion is almost similar to WP:CNR. RfC relisted by Cunard (talk) at 06:33, 16 December 2018 (UTC). Hddty. (talk) 13:16, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Why do you need another element? You can simply add the   class name to the existing   and   attributes. -- Red rose64 🌹 (talk) 15:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the code but at least it's possible to do this. Hddty. (talk) 22:48, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Comment. Add policies and guidelines category because this template is mentioned at WP:SELF. Hddty. (talk) 08:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There seems to be some presumption on your part that there are no unregistered editors interested in the backspaces. This is patently untrue. --Izno (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: unregistered users are just as important as registered ones. Most hatnotes serve only as a distraction to those who are at their target location already but that doesn't mean they're not necessary. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 12:52, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Fair use and International Phonetic Alphabet are precisely examples of the uses of the template where it is equally, if not more, helpful for unregistered users. Making the template (or any template) only visible to registered users can cause confusion among editors. The proposal seems to be basing on an unfounded assumption that unregistered users are less likely to be familiar with Wikipedia's policies and internal matters—when they can be just an experienced editor using a library computer. Nardog (talk) 16:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Template talk:Self-reference which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 09:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

title: Template talk:Self-reference


text:
Talk:Mór Jókai

Untitled
The title of this page should be: Jókai, Mór. Jókai was the surname, Mór the Christian name.

The above (anonymous) suggestion is not usual in Wikipedia, however, Hungarian names are usually written with accents (except for the letters not present in Latin-1 character set, and unless a person anglicized his/her name). So it should be named Mór Jókai, in accordance with the current practice.

--Adam78 10:14, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I second that. BTW is there some new rule on WP that we have to vote about it instead of simply moving the page? Seems awfully bureaucratic to me... Alensha 19:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, there's no such new rule, I just couldn't move the article myself for some reason (WP didn't let me do so), that's why I had to make a request for it. --Adam78 01:11, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There was already a short article at Mór Jókai. I copied the more complete text there and made this one a redirect. Alensha 20:34, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid it was not wise of you. Anybody could have done this copy-paste. This practise is not recommended (practically forbidden) in Wikipedia, since this way the history of a page (who corrected & inserted what) completely gets lost. I suppose this action of yours will soon be reverted. Please try to refrain from doing it again. --Adam78 22:00, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I didn't know that. I'm reverting them. Alensha 19:24, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, today Komarom was at Jokai-time Szőny. --Mt7 16:20, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the. —Community Tech bot (talk) 22:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * S LA19780725086-766x1024.jpg

Banned under Communism?
"Because it could be read as a satirical allegory on Leninism and Stalinism in the Soviet Union, the book was banned in Hungary in the decades of the Communist régime. (Its "Critical Edition" was delayed until 1981.)"

First, Communism in Hungary ended in 1989, so if there was a critical edition in 1981, clearly the book wasn't banned in the last decade of the Communist regime (not to mention that the edition must have been prepared for some time before that, which probably wouldn't have happened if it had not received a green light already earlier). Second, the statement in parentheses sounds like an explanation and justification of the first statement, but if the only form the ban took was the fact that nobody took the pains to make new editions for a few decades (for whatever reason), that is hardly sufficient to call it a ban.--94.155.68.202 (talk) 00:55, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it refers to the Stalinist era (1949–1956), not the "soft dictatorship" of János Kádár's socialism 1956-1988.(KIENGIR (talk) 11:20, 8 December 2018 (UTC))
 * Well, if that was the case, it should be stated so, but note that the current text literally says "the decades of the Communist régime", whereas 1949-1956 is just 7 years, not even one decade. And, of course, the period of Kádár's regime, however soft, is always considered part of the Communist era (for that matter, it constitutes three-quarters of said era). Whatever the facts of the matter, this sentence is clearly wrong. A reliable source on the subject needs to be found and the sentence needs to be modified in accordance with it. --94.155.68.202 (talk) 18:58, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I already did that.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:49, 11 December 2018 (UTC))
 * Hi Man! Thanks, it was a good remark! I have just corrected the entry. 88.132.243.233 (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Mór Jókai


text:
Template:Hiero/1ip/bordercolour

gold

title: Template:Hiero/1ip/bordercolour


text:
Obolon

Obolon is an Eastern European name for floodplain meadows.

 * Obolon, Kyiv (Оболонь) is a historical locality and a suburb of Ukraine's capital Kyiv

Next objects' names are derived from the name of Sviatoshyn neighbourhood: It may refer to:

 * Obolon Raion, a district of Ukraine's capital city, Kyiv
 * Obolon, the largest Ukrainian brewer
 * FC Obolon Kyiv, a soccer club based in Kyiv
 * Obolon (Kyiv Metro), a metro station

title: Obolon


text:
WRE

WRE, or wre, may refer to:
 * Weapons Research Establishment, an Australian military program now part of the Defence Science and Technology Group
 * Weekday Religious Education, a program of religious education in some American public schools
 * Western Roman Empire
 * Windows Recovery Environment, a feature of the Microsoft Windows operating system
 * WRE, the IATA code for Whangarei Airport on the North Island, New Zealand
 * wre, the ISO 639-3 code for the Ware language, an extinct language once spoken near Lake Victoria in East Africa
 * WRE, the National Rail code for Wrenbury railway station in Cheshire, UK

 * See also

title: WRE


text:
I2O

Intelligent Input/Output (I2O) is a defunct computer input/output (I/O) specification. I2O was originally designed to make use of the Intel i960 microprocessor as the I/O offload engine, bringing channel I/O to the PC. I2O emerged from Intel in the mid 1990s with the publication of the I2O specification in 1996 by the Intelligent I/O Special Interest Group, which dissolved as of 13 October 2000.

I2O's principal architectural components included the I/O processor (IOP) and a split device driver model, with an OSM (OS Module) running in the host operating system and a HDM (Hardware Device Module) running on the I/O processor. This formally separated OS-specific driver functionality from the underlying device, and the two software components used message passing for communications. This split is suggestive of another initiative in which Intel participated at the time, the Uniform Driver Interface (UDI), which sought to establish a common device driver interface spanning multiple software platforms.

I2O was plagued by several problems: the i960 was largely a failure and I2O made systems more expensive in a low cost marketplace. Additionally, the I2O SIG was seen as hostile to open source and insensitive to small players because it charged high fees for participation and was dominated by a few corporate players, notably Microsoft. While it remains unclear which of these factors caused the ultimate failure of I2O, only a few server class machines were ever built with onboard I2O. The I2O-SIG disbanded in October 2000, with a small amount of architectural information being made available via FTP at about the same time.

A number of x86-compatible operating systems provided support (or still do) for I2O, including Windows, Linux (removed in 4.0 ), Solaris, OpenBSD, and NetWare.

Examples of systems which utilized I2O

 * Compaq Proliant
 * HP NetServer LH3000
 * PERC 4 DC SCSI/i20 on Dell PowerEdge
 * NEC Express5800

title: I2O


text:
User:Bgperes

Bernardo Peres
Given Name: Bernardo Surname: Peres Middle Name: Guimarães

Race: Caucasian / Sub-Group: Dinaricized Alpine. Cephalic Index: 75% (mesocephalic) Skin tone: #6 (based on the scale devised by Felix von Luschan). Height: 1.72m Weight: 70kg

Nationality: Portuguese/Brazilian Ethnic Background: Portuguese (from different places in Minho, specially the Monção municipality), also some German and very little Italian). Place of Birth: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Spoken Languages: Portuguese, English.

Areas of Interest: Portuguese Culture, Music, Martial Arts, Indo-European Languages, Physical Antropology, 20th Century Military Conflicts. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bgperes"

title: User:Bgperes


text:
Template:Hiero/mk/bgcolour

gold

title: Template:Hiero/mk/bgcolour