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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Onkyo

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. —Korath (Talk) —Korath (Talk) 14:39, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Onkyo
This was nominated for speedy deletion as "Commercial list of external links." I've noticed that things like this do get speedy deleted ( Velux, the Carbon Trust), but I caught this one in time to give it a chance. Kappa 14:37, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Very well. Speedy deletion #4 and/or #9. Radiant! 14:58, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep stub on major electronics company. (I removed some POV from the text.) / Uppland 19:00, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Look ok in current incarnation, but more evidence of its importance would be nice, since Wikipedia isn't a business directory. Isomorphic 19:04, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Looking at the links to Onkyo, there seems to be a musical style or movement in Japan by the same name. The corporation is most likely better known in the rest of the world and presumably deserves the main place, but there should perhaps be an Onkyo (disambiguation). Maybe somebody here knows something about contemporary Japanese music? / Uppland 14:18, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I would guess the movement is named after the instruments, so they'd probably belong on the same page unless there was a lot about them. (My vote is 'keep btw). Kappa 01:11, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nothing wrong with an article on a company. Japanese WP says Onkyo is #1 in car audio speakers. Let the article grow into something. BTW onkyō (音響) means "acoustics" (e.g. the acoustics of a hall) or "sound" in Japanese. onkyōgaku (音響学) means "the study of acoustics." Fg2 10:01, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. -- pne 15:26, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Bring up to standard Articles on companies, like recipes, need some social context. --Wetman 10:04, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep and expand. In fact, this is a textbook example of what a good substub should be.  There's history, past and present notability and even name etymology in one neat package!  Kind of like Japanese electronics themselves.  :^P - Lucky 6.9 01:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, advertisement. JamesBurns 11:06, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Denílson (footballer, born 1977)

Denílson de Oliveira Araújo (born 24 August 1977), known simply as Denílson or sometimes Denílson Show, is a Brazilian football pundit and former professional player who played as a winger.

In a 17-year career, he played mainly for São Paulo and Real Betis, who made him the world's most expensive player in 1998. He also appeared for teams in five other countries during his career.

Denílson gained more than 60 caps for Brazil, making his full debut before his 20th birthday and representing the nation in six international tournaments, including two World Cups (winning the 2002 edition). Denilson was known for his dribbling skills.

São Paulo and Betis
Born in Diadema, São Paulo, Denílson made his senior debuts with local São Paulo at the age of only 17, appearing with the team in the 1994 Copa CONMEBOL and winning the tournament.

In 1998, he broke the world-record transfer fee when Real Betis paid £21.5 million for his services. He made his La Liga debut on 29 August in a 0–0 away draw against Alavés, and finished his first season with 35 games and two goals as his team ranked in 11th position; the Andalusians were relegated to Segunda División in 2000.

Denílson spent some months back in his country with Flamengo, on loan, but returned in January 2001 to be a productive attacking unit for Betis as it achieved promotion back (21 games, one goal). He continued to be regularly played in the following top flight campaigns, but more often than not as a substitute.

In 2004–05 Betis finished in fourth position and qualified to the UEFA Champions League, also adding the season's Copa del Rey, but Denílson was only a fringe player now, starting in just three games and playing only 290 minutes.

Bordeaux
In the 2005 off-season, Denílson was sold to French club Bordeaux for an undisclosed amount, four years before his Betis contract was due to expire. In his only season in Ligue 1 he appeared regularly to help to a second-place finish, albeit trailing eventual champions Lyon by 15 points.

As the team failed to match Denílson's wage demands, he left and signed for Saudi Arabia's Al Nassr, where he played for a couple of months.

FC Dallas
On 24 August 2007, Denílson joined FC Dallas of Major League Soccer, becoming the team's designated player. he made his league debut on 1 September, entering in the 55th minute against D.C. United, and the following week he made his first start, against Toronto FC at Pizza Hut Park, scoring from the penalty spot in the 36th minute of an eventual 2–0 win.

After only one goal and no assists, Denílson was excluded from Dallas' squad for their appearance in the final of the U.S. Open Cup, raising questions of whether he would remain with the club following the season (even though Open Cup regulations allowed no more than five foreign players on the game-day roster). Further fueling speculation, head coach Steve Morrow said the player would need to "earn a spot in the starting lineup like everybody else"; goalkeeper Darío Sala added the team was having problems adjusting to a change in scheme to accommodate Denílson.

Later years
At the end of the season, FC Dallas decided not to pick up its option on Denílson, but stated their desire to resign the winger at a lower salary. In February 2008, he signed a one-year performance-based contract with Palmeiras, hoping the club structure and experienced coach Vanderlei Luxemburgo would help him recover his best football. He was unable to make the starting squad, spending most of the season as a bench option; nonetheless, he helped Verdão to the São Paulo State Championship and a berth in the Copa Libertadores after the fourth place in the Série A.

On 6 January 2009, Denílson was taken on trial by Premier League side Bolton Wanderers with a chance to sign a contract until the end of the campaign. He stated: "I want to play in Europe, but I am not in a rush. I have received proposals from England, Greece, Turkey and Germany. I am studying them", further adding: "I understand that this is the time to return to European football, but if I am not convinced by any offer I hope to continue in Brazil, where there are also clubs interested in me"; eventually, nothing came of it.

After terminating his contract with Palmeiras, 31-year-old Denílson signed a three-month contract with Itumbiara. On 2 June 2009 he penned a six-month deal with Vietnamese club Hải Phòng on a pay-as-you-play contract. He made his debut on the 21st against Hoàng Anh Gia Lai, scoring through a free kick just two minutes into the game, but left after only three weeks with the team with only that single appearance to his credit due to injury. Denílson was paid $12,000 for the match and a $5,000 bonus for the goal.

In January 2010, Denílson signed a two-year contract with Kavala in Greece. He was released on 16 April, without having played any games.

International career
Denílson made his debut for Brazil in November 1996 at the age of 19, against Cameroon. He was called for the squad that competed at the 1998 FIFA World Cup, appearing in all the games for the eventual runners-up; the previous year, he was also selected for the 1997 Copa América and the 1997 FIFA Confederations Cup, winning both tournaments and totalling ten appearances (two goals).

Denílson was picked by manager Luiz Felipe Scolari for his 2002 World Cup squad in Japan and South Korea. Always as a substitute, he played in five matches as the Seleção won its fifth World Cup, appearing one minute in the final against Germany.

After Carlos Alberto Parreira returned for his third spell as national team boss, Denílson was not called again. He gained a total of 61 caps.

Style of play
A creative and technically gifted left-footed player, Denílson usually played as a left winger either in midfield or up-front, and was mainly known for his pace, flair, and dribbling skills, in particular for his use of several tricks and feints to beat opponents, such as the step over, which he frequently employed;  however, he was also infamous for his inability to score consistently in front of goal, and for his tendency to pick up bookings. Despite the talent demonstrated in his youth, he was considered by several pundits not to have fulfilled the potential he showed at the start of his career in both Brazilian club and international football, as he struggled to replicate a similar level of performance in European football.

Media
Denílson was sponsored by sportswear company Nike, and appeared in commercials for the brand. In a global advertising campaign in the run-up to the 2002 World Cup in Korea and Japan, he starred in a "Secret Tournament" commercial (branded "Scorpion KO") directed by Terry Gilliam, appearing alongside football players such as Fabio Cannavaro, Hernán Crespo, Edgar Davids, Rio Ferdinand, Luís Figo, Paul Scholes, Thierry Henry, Gaizka Mendieta, Hidetoshi Nakata, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Francesco Totti, among others, with former player Eric Cantona the tournament "referee". In March 2017, Denilson signed with 888poker as a brand ambassador.

Post-retirement
After retiring, Denílson worked as a sports commentator for Rede Bandeirantes.

Honours
São Paulo
 * Copa CONMEBOL: 1994
 * Campeonato Paulista: 1998

Betis
 * Copa del Rey: 2004–05

Palmeiras
 * Campeonato Paulista: 2008

Brazil
 * FIFA World Cup: 2002, runner-up: 1998
 * FIFA Confederations Cup: 1997
 * Copa America: 1997
 * CONCACAF Gold Cup third place: 1998

Individual
 * FIFA Confederations Cup: Golden Ball 1997
 * South American Team of the Year: 1997

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Pulsed power

Pulsed power is the science and technology of accumulating energy over a relatively long period of time and releasing it instantly, thus increasing the instantaneous power. They can be used in some applications such as food processing, water treatment, weapon, and medical applications.

Overview
Energy is typically stored within electrostatic fields (capacitors), magnetic fields (inductors), as mechanical energy (using large flywheels connected to special-purpose high-current alternators), or as chemical energy (high-current lead-acid batteries, or explosives). By releasing the stored energy over a very short interval (a process that is called energy compression), a huge amount of peak power can be delivered to a load. For example, if one joule of energy is stored within a capacitor and then evenly released to a load over one second, the average power delivered to the load would only be 1 watt. However, if all of the stored energy were released within one microsecond, the average power over one second would still be one watt, but the instantaneous peak power would be one megawatt, a million times greater.

Maximum Power Records
Single pulse energies as high as 100 MJ, power as high as a "few hundred terawatts" with voltages between 10 kV and 50 MV, and currents between 1 kA and 10 MA, have been achieved at least as of 2006.

Usage
Railgun is one of the example usage of pulsed power and it is still at research stage due to its complexity.

Manufacturers

 * ABB Pulsed Power Manufacturer of semiconductor-based replacements for thyratrons

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Navy Precision Optical Interferometer

The Navy Precision Optical Interferometer (NPOI) is an American astronomical interferometer, with the world's largest baselines, operated by the Naval Observatory Flagstaff Station (NOFS) in collaboration with the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) and Lowell Observatory. The NPOI primarily produces space imagery and astrometry, the latter a major component required for the safe position and navigation of all manner of vehicles for the DoD. The facility is located at Lowell's Anderson Mesa Station on Anderson Mesa about 25 km southeast of Flagstaff, Arizona (US). Until November 2011, the facility was known as the Navy Prototype Optical Interferometer (NPOI). Subsequently, the instrument was temporarily renamed the Navy Optical Interferometer, and now permanently, the Kenneth J. Johnston Navy Precision Optical Interferometer (NPOI) – reflecting both the operational maturity of the facility, and paying tribute to its principal driver and retired founder, Kenneth J. Johnston.

The NPOI project was initiated by the United States Naval Observatory (USNO) in 1987. Lowell joined the project the following year when the USNO decided to build the NPOI at Anderson Mesa. The first phase of construction was completed in 1994, which allowed the interferometer to see its first fringes, or light combined from multiple sources, that year. The Navy began regular science operations in 1997. The NPOI has been continuously upgraded and expanded since then, and has been operational for a decade. The workings of NPOI as a classic interferometer, are described at Scholarpedia, and at the NPOI site.

Description
The NPOI is an astronomical interferometer laid out in a three-arm "Y" configuration, with each equally-spaced arm measuring 250 m long. There are two types of stations that can be used in the NPOI. Astrometric stations, used to measure the positions of celestial objects very accurately, are fixed units placed 21 m apart, with one on each arm and one at the center. Imaging stations can be moved to one of nine positions on each arm, and up to six can be used at one time to perform standard observing. Light from either type of station is first directed into the feed system, which consists of long pipes which have been evacuated of all air. They lead to a switchyard of mirrors, where the light is directed into the six Long Delay Lines, which is another set of long pipes that compensate for the different distances to each station. The light is then sent into the Beam Combining Facility, where it enters the Fast Delay Lines. This third set of evacuated pipes contains mechanisms that move mirrors back and forth with a very high degree of accuracy. These compensate for the movement of the mirrors as they track an object across the sky, and for other effects. Finally, the light leaves the pipes inside the BCF and goes to the Beam Combining Table, where the light is combined in a way that allows images to be formed.

Both types of station have three elements: a siderostat, a Wide Angle Star Acquisition (WASA) camera, and a Narrow Angle Tracking (NAT) mirror. The first is a precisely-ground flat mirror 50 cm in diameter. The WASA cameras control the aiming of the mirror at the celestial target. The reflected light from the siderostat is directed through a telescope which narrows the beam down to the diameter of the pipes, which is 12 cm. The light then hits the mirror of the NAT, which compensates for atmospheric effects and directs the light into the feed system.

In 2009 NOFS began final plans for NPOI to incorporate four 1.8 m aperture optical-infrared telescopes into the array, which were accepted by the Navy in 2010, and assigned to the Naval Observatory Flagstaff Station. They were originally intended to be "outrigger" telescopes for the W. M. Keck Observatory in Hawaii, but were never installed and incorporated into Keck's interferometer. Three telescopes are being prepared for near-immediate installation, while the fourth is currently at Mount Stromlo Observatory in Australia and will be incorporated at some point in the future. The new telescopes will help with faint object imaging and improved absolute astrometry, due to their greater light-gathering abilities than the existing siderostats.

NOFS operates and leads the science for the Navy Precision Optical Interferometer, as noted, in collaboration with Lowell Observatory and the Naval Research Laboratory at Anderson Mesa. NOFS funds all principal operations, and from this contracts Lowell Observatory to maintain the Anderson Mesa facility and make the observations for NOFS to conduct the primary astrometry. The Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) also provides funds to contract Lowell Observatory's and NRL's implementation of additional, long-baseline siderostat stations, facilitating NRL's primary scientific work, synthetic imaging (both celestial and of orbital satellites). When complete by 2013, NPOI will run the longest baseline interferometer in the world. The three institutions – USNO, NRL, and Lowell – each provide an executive to sit on an Operational Advisory Panel (OAP), which collectively guides the science and operations of the interferometer. The OAP commissioned the chief scientist and director of the NPOI to effect the science and operations for the Panel; this manager is a senior member of the NOFS staff and reports to the NOFS Director.

NPOI is an example of the Michelson Interferometer design, with the principal science managed by NOFS. Lowell Observatory and NRL join in the scientific efforts through their fractions of time to use the interferometer; science time is 85% Navy (NOFS and NRL); and 15% Lowell. NPOI is one of the few major instruments globally which can conduct optical interferometry. See an illustration of its layout, at bottom. NOFS has used NPOI to conduct a wide and diverse series of scientific studies, beyond just the study of absolute astrometric positions of stars,; additional NOFS science at NPOI includes the study of binary stars, Be Stars, Oblate stars, rapidly rotating stars, those with starspots, and the imaging of stellar disks (the first in history) and flare stars. In 2007–2008, NRL with NOFS used NPOI to obtain first-ever closure phase image precursors of satellites orbiting in geostationary orbit.

Installation plans for a 1m Array have been developed by NRL and Lowell Observatory, based on the funded science performed.

Discussion
Optical interferometers are extremely complex, unfilled aperture photon-collecting telescopes in the visual (sometimes the near infrared, too), which produce synthesized images and fringe data "on the fly" (unlike radio interferometers which are privileged to record the data for later synthesis), essentially by taking an inverse Fourier transform of the incoming data. Astrometry is understood by precisely measuring delay line additions while fringing, to match the light path differences from baseline ends. Using essentially trigonometry the angle and position of where the array is 'pointed' can be determined, thus inferring a precise position on the sphere of the sky.

Only a few exist that can be considered operational. To date NPOI has produced the highest resolution optical images of any astronomical instrument, though this may change when the CHARA array and Magdalena Ridge Observatory Interferometer begin optical-band operations. The first astronomical object imaged (resolved) by NPOI was Mizar, and since, a significant amount of astrometry, reference tie frame, rapid rotator star, and Be stellar disk study has been performed. NPOI is capable of determining positions of celestial objects to a few milli-arcsecond, in part due to the optical anchoring of its components using a complex metrology array of lasers that connect main optical elements to each other and to bedrock.

Many specialized lasers are also used to align the long train of optics. The current NPOI siderostat array remains the world's only long-baseline (437-meter) optical interferometer that can simultaneously co-phase six elements. NPOI is expected to grow significantly in capability with the pending addition of four 1.8-meter aperture IR/Optical telescopes into the current array. The enhanced array will also employ adaptive optics techniques. This layout and increased sparse aperture will permit significant improvements to the science capability, from a tenfold increase in measuring ever-fainter wide-angle astrometry targets, to improved positional determination for numerous binary and flare stars. When the 1.8m telescope addition are complete, NPOI also will undertake additional studies of dust and proto-planetary disks, and planetary systems and their formation.

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User:Robk~enwiki

I live in the Netherlands. In 2010, I obtained my BA in History from Leiden University. Currently, I'm in the MA programmes of Maritime History and Book and Digital Media Studies, both at Leiden University.

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Talk:Sweetbox

Jade Villalon
Jade Villalon is cool and all that what not .. but what about her music .. its awesome and it means something .. like "life is cool" ya know?? o well. i just heard it today and i like it a lot. so .. jade was a great addition to the band :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.193.20 (talk • contribs).

 * I agree. I love sweetbox & their music. I added new info to this page & the Jade Villalon page so that I could help promote sweetbox so then their music can be released in America again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by J1129 (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia isn't here to promote anything. As the article stands, it's terrible - full of typos, POV fancruft and random factoids which are non-encyclopedic. Please read WP:MOS, WP:NPOV, WP:CRUFT, etc. Even if this were all fixed, which I hope it will be, writing an encyclopedia article is not going to help persuade any record companies to release an artist's material. If you believe that you are very naive - what are you, 12? Graham 01:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll admit I've only heard possibly 2 of their songs, but they're a pretty good group. To a degree wikipedia does promote the fact that this group existed and references some of their albums, so indirectly, it does promote it. It's a shame I don't know hardly anything or I would help this page. What might be useful is a full track listing of their albums. That way I can find out once and for all if that song I heard was by them. By the way, how can you call a fact non-encyclopedical? An encyclopedia is a place for facts, full stop. Boris17 - Febuary 14 2006

I might have time to try and organise this article a bit, but with school I don't think I'll have time to rewrite it completely. But if you want the full tracklistings, follow the links to the album pages from the discography sections. You should be able to find them there. charneko - Febuary 14

 * Not all facts are encyclopedic. They have to be notable. It might be a fact that someone drank a cup of tea this morning, we don't have to report it unless it was an important person who drank poisoned tea, or had previously stated his lifelong vow to eradicate the drinking of tea in all its forms (hypocrisy is often notable). By the way to sign your comments just follow the text with four tildas (~ x4), and wikipedia will fill in your name and the date for you. Graham 10:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I know what you mean about this article not being encyclopedic. It's actually been bugging me for a while. A lot of the article just seems like various people have put random facts together. If I get some time in the next few weeks I'll see if I can get around to fixing it. (Although I don't usually write articles... I mainly just add pictures and stuff.) Charneko 12:30, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not an official user and I'm not sure how safe it is for my IP to be posted on the web, but thanks for the tip. Who decides what are notable facts and what aren't? Who says "Oh yes, that can be put as a notable fact" and "Oh no, that's not relavent and I don't want that to be a fact.". Who made you guys lord and master? The truth seems to be your enemy and a conveniently constructed restricted truth seems to be your objective. A mild form of censorship if you will. No amount of fact can be bad. Are you saying some facts should be more important than others and others forgotten? May I ask have any of you seen the ending to Metal Gear Solid 2? This rather reminds me of that. Boris17 - Febuary 14 2006 23:03 GMT

 * Have you ever read an actual encyclopedia? You'll find that they are not a random collection of facts, but are usually structured so that the relevant details are included and all the irrelevant stuff is left out. Nobody is "lord and master". What happens is something like natural selection - if you include something in an article that is "fit" to be included, it will stand the test of time and tend to remain in the article. If you add something that's just noise or doesn't add anything relevant, it will get deleted. So over time, an article evolves to become better and more useful to the general reader. You say no amount of fact can be bad. Clearly that's absurd. Do you want a timetable of every time Jade whatshername takes a shit? What about a daily newspaper - if they printed every single thing that happened in a day, it would require more paper than has ever been produced in the entire history of the planet just for one copy, and couldn't be printed in time. The point is writing that's worth reading has usually been edited so that it doesn't overwhelm the reader with trivia, but sticks to the point. It's not censorship, it's just common sense.Graham 02:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that you'll delete the stuff that you think you don't want to know and once that information is gone then the rest of the public won't need it either because you don't. Unless someone remembers it, it won't ever make it back into the page. The lifespan not to mention the memory capacity of the individual is very limited, that's why myself and many others use this place to check up, research and find facts that we need for that paticular moment, if the fact isn't there anymore, it won't be learned and remembered and is then lost from memory and even history. This place isn't just an dictionary you know. You made a very good point though, the articles evolve. In my opinion, if it evolved to have more and more information on it, that would make it better, not just a small selection of "need to know" bullet points, names and dates. You do not need to memorise every single line of a wikipedia article. Most people look for information they need and only remember a small portion of it, come back later and learn a new portion of it. It does not need to be cut down so it can be memorised in one reading. Yes, quality is more important than quantity, but quantative quality is better than both. Information shouldn't be suppressed, it's up to the person who reads and receives the information to decide what's relevant. Casual readers might also be interested in what you call "irrelevant facts", because one man's rubbish is another man's treasure. If I've lost you there, don't be alarmed, it's early morning and my eye-lids are drooping. But hopefully you can get the jist of my arguement, weak as it might be at this small hour. BTW, tried to get an account, but ran into problems. Boris17 - February 18 2006

Woah I was clearly misunderstood. When I meant promote, I meant that more people might learn more about Sweetbox & so then their popularity would increase. & Wikipedia has helped a lot of people learn about Sweetbox. The article isn't perfect but it's still informative. J1129 01:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Discography
Does anyone else think that the discography is to long to fit on the main page? I think it should go back to the way it was before where you click the link and it takes you to the album page...

cleanup tag
This article has a lot of POV and really needs to be cleaned up regarding its formatting (referring to group members by their first names, quoting song titles and italicizing album titles, etc., etc.). I also agree with the above statement about moving the albums to their own pages. -- eo 00:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried to clean it up a bit, but it still needs a lot of work... someone who's better at writing articles should go through and do it.
 * And about the discography on the front page, it's way too big. Most other groups with this many albums have it on seperate pages. At least if you're going to put the discography on the front page it should be fixed up so it works properly ((like making proper headings so the contents actually make some sort of logical sense).--Lala90 08:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i am i registered user, and i went through and majorly edited the Sweetbox page, correcting which countries this group is heavily based in, Germany not being one of them anymore. Also i corrected all the dates, corrected the album covers, made a lengthy "About Sweetbox" section that explains a time line mostly similiar to many other Artist pages, the Discography section is all clear up, and all the links work. Every cd i wrote things trying to explain the sounds of the cd in general, as it is the same with other artist's album sections. Everything should be correct without any opinions about sweetbox or jade. So ide say the clean-up tag should be put off.

Whistle register
Jade Villalon does in fact access the whistle register in one song, however she is added to the Whistle register singers category as a solo artist so there is no need for Sweetbox to be added. Myke 06:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Easongate

I've not read much about this case, but I'd read the suffix "-gate" as implying a conspiracy against Eason, which may or may not be the case, but I would consider as a POV matter until proven. Any thoughts? Anilocra 14:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Having just had a look at the history, it also looks like its been C&Ped from someone's blog. Anilocra 15:24, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

sorry
I'll have to apologize for any shortcomings in the article, and for submitting it before I created an account. It was an essay for a class that I handed in today. It's obviously not up to Wikipedia standards, but after seeing talking heads on MSNBC hunched over keyboards reading Pressthink I thought it would be helpful to post anything even slightly informative. I will work on the article more as soon as I can. In the meantime, feel free to make it more encyclopedic. Tros

Chg to redir
As this is original research / editorial, it doesn't really fit with wiki. I'm changing this artile to redirect to Eason Jordan, which is also in line with wiki naming conventions. Feel free to edit that page.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morra di

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Morra di
A norwegian slang dicdef. Thue | talk 14:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought there was a Norwegian Wiktionary, but I can't find it; so: Delete, or transwiki if someone knows where it is. Tobyox 15:23, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * (no vote) It's at no.wiktionary.org Kappa
 * Transwiki. Megan1967 08:07, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary. JamesBurns 11:07, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Toaster oven

A discussion page for Toaster Ovens. I think they do Bagle Bites wonderfully. Ryaj 14:58, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Robk~enwiki

Comments in Dutch, English or German, please.

Dank!
Dank voor de aanvulling over Jan Pieter Theodoor Huydecoper. Op dit vlak is er momenteel nog weinig te vinden op Wikipedia. Ga zo door! Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 20:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Graag gedaan! Het meeste staat in Kooijmans, andere dingen heb ik opgeduikeld uit het familiearchief Huydecoper in Utrecht. Schrijf nu een scriptie over zijn boekenbezit. --Robk (talk) 17:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Macdonald Carey

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What happened to the info about his voice on the show? Everyking 14:54, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I deleted it because I thought it bordered on minutiae. I mean, are people really going to care what he said at the second half of the show? I added it a bit ago, and I figured not many people would care if I deleted it. I guess I was wrong, because it was added back. Mike H 17:38, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * For my part, I'm in favor of having it, but I wouldn't restore it if it was removed. Everyking 18:44, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:Macdonaldcarey.jpg
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 * Why would this message be placed under this article and not the Talk page of the image in question? Seems stupid to me 124.254.75.48 (talk) 05:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

But Lisa didn't die in infancy.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/22/obituaries/macdonald-carey-81-film-actor-with-a-soap-opera-career-dies.html

I have been in the same room with all three of the Carey daughters - Lynn, Lisa, and Theresa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rattlesnakebones (talk • contribs) 01:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of a Doubt !!!
I am missing "Shadow of a Doubt" by Alfrd Hitchcock, 1943 !!! Topi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.203.64 (talk) 07:33, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy

Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy (17 May 1933 – 16 July 2019) was a British author, known for biographies, including one of Alfred Kinsey, and books of social history on the British nanny and public school system. For his autobiography, Half an Arch, he received the J. R. Ackerley Prize for Autobiography in 2005. He also wrote novels and children's literature. He subsequently worked in advertising and publishing.

Early life
Born in Edinburgh, he was raised in London, and educated at Port Regis School, Bryanston School and Trinity College, Cambridge, where he received a major scholarship to read history. As a boy, he was one of Benjamin Britten's favourites and he and his family provided the names for the characters in The Little Sweep. His involvement with Britten is described in John Bridcut's Britten's Children.

His grandfather was Gathorne Gathorne-Hardy, 3rd Earl of Cranbrook. His father was Surgeon-Commander Honorable Antony Gathorne Gathorne-Hardy, the fourth child of the third Earl. His mother was Ruth Elizabeth Thorowgood. Edward Gathorne-Hardy and Robert Gathorne-Hardy were his uncles, and his aunt was Lady Anne Hill, wife of George Heywood Hill, who together founded the Heywood Hill bookshop in Mayfair. His cousin, born just a month after him, was the zoologist Gathorne Gathorne-Hardy, 5th Earl of Cranbrook, who attended Cambridge at the same time as he did.

Death
He died at his home in Aldeburgh on 16 July 2019 at the age of 86.

Works

 * Jane's Adventures in and out of the Book (1966)
 * Chameleon (1967)
 * The Office (1970)
 * Jane's Adventures on the Island of Peeg (1972)
 * The Rise and Fall of the British Nanny (1972, reissued 1993) as The Unnatural History of the Nanny (USA)
 * Jane's Adventures in a Balloon (1975)
 * The Airship Ladyship Adventure (1975)
 * The Public School Phenomenon, 597–1977 (1977), as Old School Tie – Phenomenon of English Public School (USA)
 * Cyril Bonhamy v. Madam Big (1981)
 * Love, Sex, Marriage and Divorce (1981)
 * Cyril Bonhamy and the Great Drain Robbery (1983)
 * Doctors: the Lives and Work of GPs (1984) (non-fiction)
 * The Centre Of The Universe is 18 Baedekerstrasse (1985)
 * Cyril Bonhamy and Operation Ping (1985)
 * The City Beneath The Skin (1986)
 * Cyril of the Apes (1987)
 * The Munros' New House (1987)
 * The Interior Castle: A Life of Gerald Brenan (1994)
 * The Twin Detectives (1995)
 * Particle Theory. A Novel (1996)
 * A Bookseller's War: Heywood and Anne Hill (1997) (letters, editor)
 * Alfred C. Kinsey. Sex the Measure of All Things: A Biography (1998)
 * Half An Arch (2004) (autobiography)

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Talk:ISO/IEC 8859-8

The table shows vowels in the places Cx, e.g. the place of C0 (which I thought was undefined in Iso-8859-8) is now filled with the character "Hebrew point Sheva", 0x05B0 (1456 decimal) in UTF16.

I thought ISO-8859-8 covers only consonants. Are the vowels now part of the official ISO-8859-8 standard? Aleph4 14:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Not in the 8859-8:1999 version, still cited on the Uniocode FTP server: ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-8.TXT
 * I'll look for a newer version.
 * Pjacobi 15:57, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)

visual ordner, logical ordner
Heh, what is meant with visual order and logical order? --Abdull 20:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * See links under Bi-directional text ... AnonMoos 22:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

SI 960 Where?
ISO/IEC_646 links to SI 960, but that page redirects here. However, there is no information about SI 960 on this page, so I think whoever put in that redirect forgot to move the information. 58.173.133.147 (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have changed SI 960 into an article describing SI 960 (as far as could be deduced from the description at ISO/IEC 646. However, this still needs to be verified by someone who has access to the SI 960 standard.
 * --Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Contributing to articles outside your native language

There may be a negative reaction to non-English language use
I think this page is a good thing, but I've one concern: writing in non-English languages in edit summaries and talk pages might provoke some negative reaction from Wikipedians who feel that the process of writing an English language Wikipedia should be conducted in English, for example User_talk:Emax and User_talk:Emax (e.g. "This is the English Wikipedia -- Please do not carry on conversations in foreign languages on Talk pages for articles. This is inappropriate and inconsiderate to your fellow editors."). Do we need to modify this page's advice at all? — Matt Crypto 15:00, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I would sure be inclined to modify it. To the best of my knowledge, no other Wikipedia has a equivalent policy, and I work in about half a dozen of them. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:47, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd understood the advice to be that non-native users either leave their comments bilingually, or leave the text that they want to add in their own language with a note (in English) asking that someone translate it. I assume that neither of those would be a problem, but perhaps the advice could be made clearer.  Jmabel, as you wrote the passage in question, would you prefer to disambiguate it (as it were), or would you be happy for me to do so? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:42, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:56, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Is that OK? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:11, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. I made one further small edit. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:25, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:46, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Matt Crypto 00:32, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

But how do I create an article in a different "language area" on Wiki?
Hi, thanks a lot for this article! Maybe someone could help me with this issues: I live in Germany and am able to write articles on the German Wiki. But when I am on the en.wiki, I can't create an article... Is that normal? And if so, how can I get around this issue? Thanks so much in advance! --The writing mombie (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Online Master's Program

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Online Master's Program
Appears to be an advertisement; also probably copyvio from http://motdinfo.uwaterloo.ca/. Tobyox 15:04, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Could do a harmless redirect to Distance education. CDC   (talk)  18:06, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Moin

SHAIK MOIN PASHA

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2 questions:
 * pronounciation is /mojn/, right? anyway - please add a SAMPA version to the article
 * or preferably an IPA version! rossb 17:01, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * speculation - can this be the origin of the Finnish greetings 'moi' / 'moimoi' ?

Misconception
Not only Southern Germans misconceive the derivation of the phrase. There's a sort of affinity between that part of Germany, it's customs, it's dialect and England. When I was there and heard the greeting, I, as a fair German speaker assumed it was a local form of Guten Morgen. Fascinating entry, thanks. Jeremy P Lewis 01:46, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Citation: "There's a sort of affinity between that part of Germany, ..." Right: Take this lovely finding: In Eastern frisian dialect you say: "kein einen" (literally "no one") instead of high german "keiner" oder "niemand" (also meaning "no one"), when you want to say "really really no one". Example: "Don't tell such a story. No one will believe it. Not even the idiots will." In eastern frisian german the last two sentences would be put into a single one saying: "Das glaubt doch kein einen.".

The whole explanation is completely wrong: The original greeting is Moin Moin. Just Moin is the modern, abbreviated (or lazy) form. In some reagions of northern Germany you can easily notice the difference: The older. aboriginal people greet more often with Moin Moin and the younger, immigrated people just with Moin. And some people use both forms (like me). It's also currently unclear where Moin moin has its roots. Several theories exist, the one with the frisian language ist just one of many. Alureiter 08:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * How sounds: "moien dach = schönen Tag" in your ears? Dass "moin moin" zuerst (vor "moin") da gewesen sein, glaube ich nicht. --84.137.201.64 21:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC) (de-user: Rollo_rueckwaerts)
 * My grandmother is original born in the original "Ammerland". She only uses "Moin moin". Also did my grandfather. I can support what Alureiter said.--

I think there are regional differences. Up here in the Northwest (East Frisia) everybody says "Moin" (except when you ask them about what the Low German greeting is: Then they tell you it's "Moin Moin". But they never use it that way!), up in Schleswig-Holstein and Hamburg, they tend to say Moin Moin. But I doubt the theory this article expresses that "the second moin (also morn) means "day" in Frisian". Is there any evidence for this? If this were true, people ought to say Moin Avend or something like that at other times of the day. But they don't. Anna (talk) 21:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Phonics
My mom's a southern German (Mannheim, which has its own kooky dialect, apparently, because once I said something to a Northren German and they thought I mispronounced it) and I was born and raised in the USA, so, uh, what does this "moin" sound like?
 * i think /mojn/ is wrong. That's more like the short form of "Morg'n" (short of "good morning"). It's more like m-o-i-n speacking each character ;)

The Finnish variant is a straight diphthong and I wouldn't characterise it as being only prevalent in Varsinais Suomi; through television I'd say it's almost universal amongst the 40 yr.olds and under, save only for the sparsely populated north, and its popularity is more of a generational marker.Jatrius 09:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd argue the Finnish greeting is definately of the same origin, because moi spread to Helsinki and from there by TV to rest of the country only as late as the late 1970's, early 1980's due Finnish internal migration. Before it was used in regions where Hanseatic League had presence in Finland. Naantali & Turku in Varsinais-Suomi. If Viipurians & Karealians near Viipuri used moi also, the evidence is conclusive. Finns have the tendency to supress the original phonetics of words, e.g. every Russian origin word in Helsinki dialect, that's why not a lot of attention should be given to that. In my opinion, moin is definately a greeting that was spread by Hanseatic League, Finnish moi is nothing more than not-spelling the silent n. --80.221.44.102 (talk) 04:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

 * You pronounce the "oi" in "moin" like the "oy" in "boy". And yes, you are right, Mannheim does have its own kooky dialect...;-) Anna (talk) 23:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The pronounciation depends on what you want to tell. Moooin normally means "hello" and additionally invitates to a common attitude of feeling good, doing things slooowly i.e. with deliberation and without any needlessly repeated physical action. Moin can also be said with an audible breatheout and then has the slightly irritated undertone of "My friend, you've finally got it. How about speeding up intellectual uptake and speeding down physical action instead?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.142.129.48 (talk) 10:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but I have never heard "Moin" being used in this way, and I hear it spoken about 500 times a day. I think you are confusing this with a slightly reproachful "Guten Morgen!" (= Wake up!) or - immigrated into the German language during the past ten years or so - "Hallo-o!". But "Moin" used in this sense? - No. --Anna (talk) 20:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Moin
As I developed as a young adult in  Northern Germany, I'm practically  a native Niedersachsen High  and Low German speaker. I lived mainly in  very  rural areas in  the Einöde between Hannover and Hamburg -  Bremen. Moin, or Moin-moin was the standard informal greeting. I always assumed it  to  be a contraction  of  'morgen from  Guten Morgen, and never had any  reason to  believe otherwise. That said, I  think  this article should be either up for deletion  or at  lest  merging  with a more substantial  page on  some aspect of German  language.Kudpung (talk) 07:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I see getting on  for a year  has elapsed since my  comment  above. The article is still unsourced and is therefore total inadmissible original research. We either need to  find some sources or accept some form of deletion  process. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Your assumption is - even in Northern Germany among people who do not know Low German well - a common but nonetheless wrong misconception. Most people who hear "Moin" first think it's a contraction of "Guten Morgen".
 * You are of course justified in asking for sources. But while we are looking for these, there is no need to delete anything. The truth of this etymology is widely accepted knowledge, and it should not be difficult to provide proof of that. --Anna (talk) 21:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I have just been checking on the references currently provided in the article, and I found that two of those four links don't even work properly. They are Google Books sites that, at least on my browser, supply no content at all. And to be honest, a book called "Nordseefische gehen auf Wurm: Schöne Ferien an der Waterkant. Der lustigste Urlaubsratgeber am plattdeutschen Strand" is not one that I would even take into consideration as a serious source. And the column from the Hamburger Abendblatt sounds more like light popular entertainment than like serious linguistic research.

 * In this context I would also like to delete the statement that "Moin Moin" is considered garrulous by locals. This is a common joke, no more no less. The Hamburger Abendblatt article obviously plays on this supposed taciturnity of Northern Germans. --Anna (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Redirect to Wiktionary
Still no  references. As this article is based purely on  original research and speculation, I  will  shortly  be redirecting  this article to Wikitionary wher the definition  is more accurate and more succinct. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There are references at de:Moin that can be added. There's already a link to Wiktionary in the article, so there's no need for a redirect there. —Angr (talk) 10:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Refugees
I know how biased wikipedia is, but do I really have to see a banner welcoming people escaping war and persecution if I look up something as neutral as a language issue? This makes me more xenophobic. 77.249.235.171 (talk) 07:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Emanuel Sperner

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Sperner called his antichain result a "Satz", in the very title of his paper. It was not a lemma to anything. In contrast, the triangulation result was explicitly a lemma. If people today call his Satz a lemma, it's probably because they've heard "Sperner's lemma" mentioned. I really don't care if some people insist on calling his Satz his lemma, but since Wikipedia has both, we should follow the least ambiguous terminology.

As it is, I've never actually seen his Satz called his lemma before this. Can somebody provide a reference? I can cite several books and papers, all calling it "Sperner's theorem".--192.35.35.36 15:04, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

In fact, I just noticed that the antichain link refers to Sperner family, which contains a proof of "Sperner's theorem". So Wikipedia is already using "Sperner's theorem".--192.35.35.36 15:28, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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User:Wikipedian231/sandbox

Hello

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alya Kashper

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Alya Kashper
Tribute to a non-notable girl. Thue | talk 15:09, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd have said patent nonsense - "many of her interlocutors have literally shit their pants" ? Delete. DS 16:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Amusing, but total nonsense. Djbrianuk 17:34, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I've speedied this as patent nonsense and because this is the third time this bit of nonsense has been created. Gamaliel 17:39, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Parker Vacumatic

The Parker Vacumatic fountain pen was launched in 1932, and would come to out-sell the Parker Duofold, the then top seller. The pen was originally marketed under the name of Golden Arrow, a reference to the new arrow clip but was again changed to Vacuum Filler in reference to its ink reservoir filling action.

The Vacumatic featured a brand new filling mechanism which took 5 years to develop at a cost of $125,000. Parker boasted the model to be the first self-filler without a sac; while this was not entirely true, the filling mechanism was still a great innovation. By using a diaphragm rather than a sac, the whole barrel can be used as a reservoir. The principal workings are essentially like that of the earlier button fillers like the Duofold as the depression of the plunger pushed on the rubber sac and forced out the air (creating a vacuum) and when the rubber regained its natural form the ink got sucked into the pen to replace the air. The difference was that the previous button was replaced with a fat (approximately 4 mm) plunger that was used to operate the diaphragm. The plunger could be locked in a down position with a twist of the thumb and is referred to as the Lock-Down Fill, or Twist-Fill.

Although the pen came in many sizes and colors, the most widely recognizable Vacumatics featured alternating horizontal bands of pearlescent and clear celluloid. These clear bands allowed the user to see the level of ink in the barrel. Several generations of Vacumatic were produced.

The pen remained Parker's top-of-the-line product until the launch of the 51 in 1941. The Parker Vacumatic was phased out in 1948 but remained in production in Canada until 1953.

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Kjell Hallbing

Kjell Hallbing (5 November 1934, in Bærum – 6 May 2004, in Tønsberg) was a Norwegian author of Western books.

Under the pseudonym Louis Masterson, he wrote a series of books about the fictitious Texas Ranger (and later U.S. Marshal) Morgan Kane during 1966–1978. The 83 Morgan Kane books have sold more than 20 million copies worldwide. Masterson's books El Gringo and El Gringo's Revenge will be the basis of a Hollywood movie in 2017. He has also written another nine-book series known as the Diablo- and Diablito books. Earlier in his career Hallbing used the pseudonyms Ward Cameron, Leo Manning, Lee Morgan and Colin Hawkins. His debut, Ubåt-kontakt, was released in 1961, written under his real name. The same year he released his first book set in the old West, Portrett av en revolvermann ("Portrait of a Gunslinger"). In addition Kjell Hallbing was an avid weapons collector, resulting in his collection being one of the largest privately owned weapons collections in Norway at the time of his death. He also owned a little house at Bolkesjø, where he actually wrote most of the books in the Morgan Kane series.

Other "heroes" Hallbing/Masterson wrote about included Jesse Rawlins, Owen Metzgar and Clay Allison.

Before he started to write full-time in 1969, Hallbing worked as a bank employee. He is buried at Oslo Western Civil Cemetery.

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Talk:Hot Standby Router Protocol

Router or routing?
HSRP description it is not correct :-(, should be corrected.

The title of this article is Hot Standby Router Protocol, whereas in the first sentence it says Hot Standby Routing Protocol. Which is the correct meaning of the acronym? Tim 07:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hot Standby Router Protocol is correct per the Cisco links in the article. All is good now. ~Kvng (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Marketing puff?
I don't think this sentence adds any meaningful information: This technology is used by many of the great companies in the world.

It looks like marketing puff to me, and I think it should be removed. Royhills 18:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely agree, Royhills. In fact, it was recently added by what appears to be a vandal.  I shall revert immediately.  Thanks for noticing and commenting though, it helps make wikipedia better. :)  —Fudoreaper 04:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Broken link
The link in this line is broken:

A HSRP Basics Simulation visualizes Active/Standby election and link failover with Hello, Coup, ARP Reply packets and timers.

http://pre.visualland.net/view.php?cid=846&protocol=HSRP&title=1.%20HSRP%20basic

 * Those links were added in 2010 and removed in 2014. It was tutorial material and probably not worth attempting to recover. ~Kvng (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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Konstantin Petrovich von Kaufmann

Konstantin Petrovich von Kaufmann (Константи́н Петро́вич фон-Ка́уфман; 2 March 1818 – 16 May 1882), was a military engineer and the first Governor-General of Russian Turkestan.

Early life and ancestry
Konstantin Petrovich was born as the second eldest of fours sons to Lieutenant General Peter Feodorovich von Kaufmann (1784-1849) and his wife, Emilie Watson-Priestfield-Aithernay (1790-1858). His family was German in origin (from Holstein ), but had been in the service of the Tsars of Russia for over 100 years, and had since converted to Russian Orthodoxy. Another source says that he was "descended from an Austrian mercenary who had entered Russian service in the late eighteenth century. A Russian-speaking Orthodox Christian, the only thing German about him was his name".

Kaufmann graduated from Nikolayev Engineering Institute (now Military Engineering-Technical University) as a military engineer. Kaufmann entered the military engineering field in 1838, served in the campaigns in the Caucasus, was promoted to the rank of colonel, and commanded the sappers at the siege of Kars in 1855. On the capitulation of Kars, he was deputed to settle the terms with General William Fenwick Williams.

In 1861, he became director-general of engineers at the War Office, assisting Minister of War Count Dmitry Milyutin in the reorganization of the army.

Promoted lieutenant general in 1864, he became Governor-General of Vilna, where at that time the Tsarist state had begun a policy of expropriating the Polish aristocracy in an attempt to break its influence in the countryside.

Conquest of Turkestan
At the high point of the Russian conquest of Turkestan, in 1867, he became Governor-General of the new province of Turkestan, and held the post until his death, making himself a name in the expansion of the empire in Central Asia. The western part of the Khanate of Kokand along the Syr Darya had already been captured, and the independence of the rest of that country became merely nominal. He accomplished a successful campaign in 1868 against the Emirate of Bukhara, capturing Samarkand and gradually subjugating the whole country.

During the Khivan campaign of 1873, he attacked Khanate of Khiva, took the capital, and forced the Khan to become a vassal of Russia. This was followed in 1875 by the campaign against Kokand, in which Kaufman defeated the uprising khan, Nasreddin, after an anti-Russian uprising against the previous ruler, Khudoyar. The fiction of Kokand's independence was ended, and the remaining rump of the Khanate in the Ferghana Valley was annexed. This rapid absorption of these Khanates brought Russia into proximity to Afghanistan, and the reception of Kaufmann's emissaries by the Sher Ali Khan was a main cause of the Second Anglo-Afghan War.

Administration
The various temporary statutes under which Turkestan was administered from 1867–1886 gave von Kaufmann a great deal of latitude in policy. In 1868 he contacted experts in Moscow to identify Alexei and Olga Fedchenko to create an expedition to document the countries natural history.

Whilst Kaufmann was still extending the borders of the Russian Empire, he was creating a team to investigate and document the new territory. Kaufmann's team included statisticians, the Fedchenkos, the war artist Vasily Vereshchagin and later the educationalist Nikolai Ostroumov. Kaufmann wanted an investigation of a "newly and scarcely explored region". Kaufmann set up a Tashkent outpost of the Moscow Society of Devotees of Natural Science, Anthropology, and Ethnography (OLEAE).

The Fedchenkos made three separate explorations between 1868 and 1872. These investigations were central to the Governor-General's policy as he wanted to see this information shared with Russians as well as locals. The local newspaper was used to publish the scientific findings. Kaufmann targeted the 1872 Moscow All-Russian Technical Exhibition as an opportunity to display the research of this new part of the Russian empire.

Kaufmann was allowed to carry out administrative negotiations with neighbouring states on his own account, to establish and oversee the expenditure of the budget, set taxes, and establish the privileges of Russian subjects in the General-Gubernatorstvo; he also had the power to confirm and revoke death sentences passed in the Russian military courts. Nowhere else in the Russian Empire did a Military Governor-General have this kind of independence from central control, and nowhere else was there such obvious pessimism about the region's potential for integration into the main body of the Empire. Isolated geographically from European Russia by an expanse of Steppe that took two months to cross, it was isolated still more decisively in the minds of Tsarist officials by its dense, ancient and settled Islamic culture. In its early years under Kaufmann, Turkestan was thus also administratively isolated, with many distinctive institutions within the military bureaucracy, that was loosely superimposed on a largely unreformed native administration.

When Kaufmann approached the city of Khiva during the Khivan campaign of 1873, the slaves in Khiva rebelled, informed about the eminent downfall of the city. When Kaufmann army entered Khiva on 28 March, he was approached by Khivans who begged him to put down the ongoing slave uprising, during which slaves avenged themselves on their former enslavers. When Muhammad Rahim Khan II of Khiva returned to his capital after the Russian conquest, the Russian General Kaufmann presented him with a demand to abolish the Khivan slave trade and slavery, which he did.

Although Kaufmann was unable to induce his government to support all his ambitious schemes of further conquest, he was still in office when General Mikhail Skobelev, the hero of the Russo-Turkish war of 1877, was despatched from Tiflis in 1880 and 1881 against the Turkomans of the Akhal-Teke Oasis. Skobelev, although being the effective military governor of the Fergana valley, directing matters from Margelan and New Margelan, was cut short in this second campaign of his in the area. He was recalled. (On 7 July 1882, while staying at a Moscow hotel, on his way to his estate, he died suddenly of a heart attack, shortly before the annexation of Merv). General Chernyayev, the conqueror of Tashkent in 1865, was appointed as his successor.

There are various species of plants are named after him including Tulipa kaufmanniana, Eremurus kaufmannii, Eremostachys kaufmanniana, Gentiana kaufmanniana, and Statice kaufmanniana.

Personal life
He was married to Julie von Berg (1820-1906), daughter of Admiral Moritz Anton August von Berg (1776-1860) and his wife, Marie Niemann (1790-1856). They had one son and a daughter:
 * Elena Konstantinovna von Kaufmann (b. 1857), married Privy councilor Peter Alexeevich Kharitonov (1852-1916)
 * Mikhail Konstantinovich von Kaufmann (1858-1891), Lieutenant in the Russian Imperial Army, died unmarried

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. ugen 64 03:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ekaterina Svanidze
This person not only does not stand out in their own right, like Vissarion Jughashvili Ekaterina Geladze, but unlike them the article contains negligible information alredy available or easily mergible into Joseph Stalin. 15:13, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Eventually some one will be able to add to this
 * Keep Somebody, I'm sure will now enough to make this into an article. All Hitler's various girlfriends have articles so why shouldn't Stalin's wife? Furius 03:17, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: This was apparently never listed on vfd, so I'm putting it on today's page. —Korath (Talk) 00:11, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for organic growth. Wives of great dictators are inherently notable.Klonimus 01:58, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand--ZayZayEM 02:26, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Joseph Stalin unless a lot more can be said about her, but I don't think there is much more. Paradiso 05:27, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as new section in Joseph Stalin. If the section becomes large enough it can be moved back out into its own article.  --Fuzzball! 05:41, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Stalin. They were only married for a few years, in a period long before he became Soviet ruler. — Sesel wa  05:45, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and expand. Megan1967 06:33, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Joseph Stalin. Not notable on her own. It can be moved back if it's sufficiently expanded. Mgm|(talk) 08:11, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge - David Gerard 09:18, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. Radiant_* 13:16, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge - the article can always be reinstated if sufficient material is found to justify it. SteveW 19:44, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. --InShaneee 21:34, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. Wives of famous people are not intrinsically notable.  RickK 23:49, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Spouses are not inherently notable.  As Fuzzball! said, if the content ever does become sufficiently expanded, it can be moved out then.  Rossami (talk) 04:20, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - seems to be a good start. --Wgfinley 20:18, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Pingry School

Important alumni and old (for US) school Victuallers 18:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

why is pingry listed in an online encyclopedia?

Chertoff went to Pingry! I'm so proud. - Loweeel 15:24, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The SAT scores
um those SAT scores have a huge gap (610-720) for the middle 50%. Furthermore, does this mean that those of us at pingry who are above average intelligence for a Pingry Student all get 720-800s??? just a thought..Jigsaw Jimmy 18:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Dan Kahn
Dan... you haven't graduated yet... Maybe in June...

Pingry and Wikipedia
I know that Mr. Hata has already begun something like what I'm going to describe, but wouldn't it be lovely if somehow updating Wikipedia articles of all types could be worked into some classroom assignments? It would be a lovely way to let lots of the research that we all do and then throw out not go to waste. - Rizachar '08

More Pingry and Wikipedia
I've been looking around at other schools' wikipedia articles, and I think that we could do better with this one. I think that in any case student government should have the position of school Historian, whose primary role would be regular interview of the older faculty and recording of storytelling, as well as some research into past files, perhaps by rummaging though the old files in the archives. In any case. this guy might occasionally update this article with alumni, stats, etc. Just an idea. - Rizachar '08

Notable alumni
Lots and lots of Pingry alumni are in prominent positions, but I've tried to keep this list to those who would meet the Wikipedia criteria detailed here. Bruxism 01:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The current list is too filled with vaguely accomplished figures along with very accomplished figures like Chertoff or Andrew McCarthy; just because someone is a musician in a band, fenced for the US, or wrote a book does not and should not mean they should be included on this list. For the sake of creating a clean and legible page the current list should be trimmed to reflect actually notable alumni. Crogle94 16:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Pingree
I added disambiguation between this and Pingree. Anyone have a problem with that? Sound okay? --Sempersoph 22:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Do schools articles fall under different criteria?
Sometime ago I put up a "neutrality" flag that was promptly removed, without any edit of the actual page. Do schools get different treatment than other articles on Wikipedia? Form the beginning, statements like, "Pingry has stood for excellence in education," etc. permeate the article. I doubt there are any schools that would claim they "stand for mediocrity in education." Again, I think this article is not neutral, not encyclopedic, and self-serving. (If individuals are discouraged from writing about themselves, why are staff and students of an institution not discouraged in the same way? ChrisStansfield 22:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this article is somewhat biased. After I saw your flag, I pruned some of the excessively flattering statements away, and took down the flag. Someone soon reverted my edits, but failed to replace the flag. Atungare 00:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, this seems to be a problem with most of the schools entries, and I'm wondering what general board or section I should bring this issue up in. Again, if I can't write a self-serving autobiography here, I can't see why school administrations should be extended that opportunity. ChrisStansfield 09:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to be or sound naïve, so I will just say that I don't know to what extent school administrators have written this article, but I find it somewhat hard to believe that they wrote any great part. But who knows, maybe they wrote the whole thing. What I do know is that many students of Pingry have contributed to this article, and let's just say that many of those contributions contain varying levels of flattery. Some student editors here, however, were very committed to remaining completely encyclopedic. Sean MD80 talk 12:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
As a prep school graduate, I enjoy trolling the Wikipedia articles on various schools, and I'm often quite taken aback by how non-neutral and self-congratulatory they are. But this one is really aggressively nauseating. I'm slashing and burning things like how wonderful and nationally recognized Pingry is (I hadn't heard of it until I clicked through from another page.) It sounds like a great place, but really now, an entire section on the honor code? This is not notable, as most prep schools and many colleges have some sort of honor code. Let's see what we can do to ake this better. Mjl0509 02:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC) Also: to answer the question posed by the header of the previous talk topic, there's no reason for schools to fall under different topics; alums and students are just instinctually protective of their almae matrae.Mjl0509 02:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The point is is that the Honor Code at this school operates in a somewhat different fashion, in the level of trust between the faculty and the students Lego6245 (talk) 22:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

School Motto
The latin translation of the school's motto is actually, "The greatest respect is due to the boys," but the school did become Co-educational in 1976.Captain Gamma (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Dead Links
Some links on the page are now dead due to the reorganization of the Pingry homepage. Any help on getting updated linkage would be great Lego6245 (talk) 19:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Notables = refs needed
I've tagged the Notable alumni section for having no references, and below is the list of all notables who were on the list that don't have Wikipedia pages. If they went to Pingry and there can be references added to support each of them with their connection to the school, then they may be re-inserted. Otherwise they must remain out.

 * Five people on the 2006 Forbes 400 list graduated from the Pingry School
 * Chris Bender, producer of the American Pie series of movies
 * Judge John D. Bates, United States District Judge, District of Columbia
 * David Bugliari, CAA talent agent and husband of Alyssa Milano
 * Miller Bugliari, Pingry faculty member and winningest boys' soccer coach in the U.S.; in 2006, was elected to the NSCAA Hall of Fame
 * Jeffrey N. Edwards, CFO and senior vice-president of Merrill Lynch
 * Sivert Glarum, TV comedy writer
 * Halley Wegryn Gross, TV and Broadway actress named one of the College Vanguard fifteen undergraduates
 * Andrew Horowitz, songwriter and keyboardist in the band Tally Hall
 * James E. Hughes, Jr., author
 * Steven Johnson, senior analyst at Microsoft and leading developer of Internet Explorer 5
 * Adam Kalkin, innovative architect
 * Daniel Kellner, top U.S. foil fencer, 2004 Greece Olympian
 * Gideon Lewis-Kraus, literary critic and journalist
 * Chris Lear, successful runner and author of two books, including Running with the Buffaloes
 * Therese Lizardo, Miss District of Columbia 2004
 * Douglas Macrae, writer of Ms. Pac-man and the interactive TV listings menu that originated on satellite TV
 * Mary Moan, female golfer, 1993 HS all-American, 1997 college all-American, winner of 16 collegiate tournaments at Princeton, and former golf coach at Yale
 * Stephan Newhouse, former president of Morgan Stanley
 * Ryohei Richard Okamoto, keyboardist and vocalist in the band Houston Calls
 * Charles A. Potter, III, engineer who worked on designing the Nautilus submarine
 * David Randall J. Riskin, well-known Washington, D.C. lawyer
 * Jon Sarkin, artist and stroke survivor, whose life story is to be portrayed in a movie by Tom Cruise
 * Robert A. Schriesheim, Noted corporate executive and public company director - Chief Financial Officer/EVP of Lawson Software
 * C. Lee Shelley, U.S. top épée fencer, 2-time Olympian in 1984 Los Angeles and 1988 Seoul
 * Liz Simmons, Dean, educator, physicist, Michigan State University
 * Park B. Smith, philanthropist and textile magnate
 * Bruce Tunkel, singer, songwriter, and former lead of the group The Red House
 * Carl Van Duyne, Ph. D., junior member of the Council of Economic Advisors, commissioned naval officer, economics professor at United States Naval Academy, 1968 Olympian in sailing
 * Kenneth Wachter, demographer, chair of the demographics department at Cal Berkeley
 * Edward A. Weeks, Jr., former editor of The Atlantic Monthly magazine
 * Lyric Wallwork Winik, Parade magazine columnist
 * Jack Youngelson, documentary filmmaker

Jrcla2 (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Building Site
Actually, the school was originally at Dr. Pingry's house on Pingry Place until his death in 1893, after which the school moved to another location in Elizabeth at Parker Road, which in 1953 Pingry vacated for the campus in Hillside. Captain Gamma (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Unjustified mass removal of sourced content with baseless claims of COI and Promotion
GuardianH has repeatedly (see here and elsewhere) deleted massive portions of articles with the claim that extensive portions of sourced content based on the claims that what was being removed were "minor championships, WP:COI additions, WP:PROMOTION".

It's not clear why winning a state championship at the highest level of competition would be a "minor championship". Nor is it clear why the presence of multiple championships across multiple sports justifies the deletion of the near entirety of the section. Nor is it clear why the editor in question has repeatedly failed to observe the fundamental WP:PRSERVE policy and retained content where possible or justified.

It appears that the claims of COI and Promotion have no basis in fact and were just thrown in to give the mass deletion a greater air of false credibility. Who has the conflict of interest? Who is promoting what and how is the school being promoted by including neutral factual information?

Per WP:BRD, I will revert the unjustified changes to the article for Pingry School. I look forward to a presentation of a case to justify the mass deletion and provide some evidence to back up the baseless and unsupported allegations that state championships are "minor" and that there is conflict of interest and promotion. I am particularly interested in hearing details of the claims of who has the conflict of interest and who is promoting anything. Alansohn (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I repeat my response at Talk:Immaculate Heart Academy. The athletics section is completely overboard for MOS:TRIVIA, and with soapboxing WP:PROMOTION by essentially making it a timeless outlet for the school's athletics team — WP:HOARD. There's so little of anything resembling substantive material in that section at all besides this verbose list of minor state championships and other minutiae. You only need to go the edit log to see the WP:SPA involvement and other potential WP:COI. The section needs a serious revision and the laundry list removed. Adding neutrality tag. GuardianH (talk) 00:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It said nothing meaningful there and says nothing at all here. MOS:TRIVIA is about trivia sections, but there's none here. I'm not sure what "soapboxing WP:PROMOTION" is here with a list of reliably and verifiably sourced details of athletic titles and WP:HOARD is an irrelevant essay. The question is not who's editing the article, the question is what's in the article. The neutrality tag you've added emphasizes that "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." You've offered no example of any issues with neutral point of view or editorial bias, nor have you demonstrated that there are any missing viewpoints. In the absence of a meaningful response and concrete evidence of neutrality issues, the tag bombing will be reverted. I look forward to the details. Alansohn (talk) 17:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Any update on evidence for neutrality issues? Going twice.... Alansohn (talk) 18:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I mentioned this also in the Immaculate Heart page, but MOS:TRIVIA applies to lists of miscellaneous information, rather than just simply strictly trivia (hence MOS:MISC). Like I also pointed out on the IHA page, the biggest issue regarding neutrality is not the MOS format, but rather that state championships — that of soccer, cross country, baseball, and other local competitions — are not due for inclusion. By creating a data hoard of decades of state championships, you're providing an essentially timeless outlet for any school teams, often at the expense of any actual substantive description of the team themselves. These local game wins are relevant to the gym teacher, but not due for inclusion here. They lack the prominent coverage in reliable sources usually necessary to establish inclusion and are a minority view pertaining only to a particular team (i.e., the soccer team, hockey team, etc.) GuardianH (talk) 01:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You're truly talking nonsense here. MOS:TRIVIA / MOS:MISC says explicitly that it refers to sections "typically given names such as 'Trivia', 'Facts', 'Miscellanea', 'Other information' and 'Notes'", which is not the case here, and the guideline specifically permits "a selectively populated list with a relatively narrow theme". You keep harping on LAUNDRYLIST / WP:HOARD which is an essay that has no relevance of deletion of sourced content. The argument that state championships are "not due for inclusion" because they come "at the expense of any actual substantive description of the team themselves" is completely nonsensical; you're arguing that it would be OK if only we have descriptions of the players, their heights, weights and interests. Are you seriously arguing that winning a state championship is "a minority view pertaining only to a particular team" and that the other teams are somehow being excluded because they didn't win anything? Are you seriously suggesting that sports championships can only be included is every single school team has won the exact same number of titles? Do you seriously question that the references provided are not the "coverage in reliable sources" that you demand? What on Earth are you talking about?As you've offered no evidence after multiple requests, I'll remove the neutrality tag from the article. Alansohn (talk) 03:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You've actually completely misread my message, which explains why you find it so incredulous. I never said that they are not due for inclusion because they come at the expense of the teams (that is an additional problem). The reason I laid out in the message for why they are WP:UNDUE is that the series of singular state championships do not satisfy the coverage in reliable sources necessary for inclusion, are a minority view (pertaining only to [x] hockey, basketball, etc. team), and that giving a list of all these myriad of championships is far, far too descriptive — in this case, the quantity of text is the problem. Also, yes, a state championship is representative of only a small part of the school: a state championship for hockey only represents the hockey team.
 * I've already explained the obvious problem of giving undue weight by giving a list of all these state championships. There also is no consensus; re-adding neutrality tag. GuardianH (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

RfC on whether a high school's list of state championships is due for inclusion
This article on the Pingry School has a list of the high school's state championships for its sports teams spanning multiple years. Would a list of a high school's state championships be considered due for inclusion? Relevant policies: WP:DUE (WP:NPOV), WP:V. GuardianH (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Include (invited by the bot, BTW, you didn't link that article in the notice) Or more specifically, it should be an editorial decision without quoting WP:Due to support an "exclude" view.    WP:Due is to achieve balance and avoid spin/bias, not to exclude uncontroversial material that is suitable for the article.  BTW it does look a bit lengthy, you might want to thin it out a bit.  North8000 (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @North8000 WP:UNDUE specifies that quantity of text is an issue giving undue weight to certain material. I would say that the extensive list here gives undue weight to the school's state championships, hence why it should be condensed. BTW it does look a bit lengthy, you might want to thin it out a bit - Maybe this RfC would be better if it was a question on whether or not to reduce the section? But the thing is, the policy that would justify thinning the section would be WP:UNDUE. GuardianH (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I would recommend reducing the size of that section on editorial/article quality grounds. And yes, it would have been better to ask that question. The current RFC can be read or interpreted as whether to (completely) exclude mention of state championships....a more extreme exclusion which I don't think that many folks would/will support. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In the edit made to the article for Pingry School, GuardianH removed any and all sourced descriptions of athletic championships, with the edit summary "remove this huge WP:LAUNDRYLIST of minor championships, WP:COI additions, WP:PROMOTION". GuardianH has never trimmed or summarized any of these lists; every single one of GuardianH's similar edits (see Immaculate Heart Academy, Millburn High School and Summit High School (New Jersey)) have taken the maximalist position and removed these details in their entirety. Based on this history, the question that GuardianH is asking can only be interpreted to be seeking a complete and total exclusion of any mention of athletic championships. Alansohn (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that the size of the section on athletics is out of balance with the rest of the article. In fact, the article now consists largely of content about athletics and a sexual abuse scandal. That is a disservice to the school. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 20:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Include There has been broad consensus that state and national championships are what should be included, with appropriate reliable and verifiable sources, as are found here. Of course, it may well be appropriate to copyedit the material, but to be clear, GuardianH's alternative position is that there should be no details about any sports championships, regardless of level, as shown in editing the articles for Pingry School and Immaculate Heart Academy, among other such mass removals of sourced content. Alansohn (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * But that's not my position. I have opposed this article's list of championships, but I never said that there should be no details whatsoever about sport championships — I said that there should be something substantive (i.e. the "school has won multiple championships in x, y, z" rather than an entire list of singular championships like there is here. Comment on the championships, but don't list them all. There has been broad consensus – not in any of our previous disagreements have you ever specified where this broad consensus is - there hasn't been a broad consensus to have a huge list of a high school's championship wins. GuardianH (talk) 17:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the important point: There is no "broad consensus" about overloading articles with this kind of trivia and repetitive writing. There is way too much detail here, it makes the article unreadable. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 15:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Include A list of a school's state championships is a standard feature of pretty much every high school article I've encountered. Most of them look something like this: Klein High School (not holding this up as a perfect example, but rather a typical one). Not every championship necessarily needs commentary, but a concise summary of achievements beyond a state championship, or of multiple consecutive championships, could be warranted based on the sourcing. Looking at this article, it looks like it could use significant trimming and copy-editing, but that doesn't mean that individual state championships should be excluded. Stedil (talk) 19:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Dejital
Seems to be entirely without merit. Possible escapee from a sandbox? Saga City 15:27, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: This was apparently never listed on vfd, so I'm putting it on today's page. —Korath (Talk) 00:00, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 03:29, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy deleted as obvious nonsense. "1902, a secret plan initiated by the government codenamed "Operation ToastWomble" led to an indecisive stoppage in the soap industry". Yawn, not clever enough for BJAODN. -- Infrogmation 11:24, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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