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Young Spectator's Theatre

Young Spectator's Theatre (Театр Юного Зрителя, ТЮЗ) was a standard name of a professional theatre for children and youth in many cities of the Soviet Union, usually referred to by this abbreviation: тюз, TYuZ (sometimes translated as "TUZ theatre").

The oldest children's theatre under such a name was Moscow TYuZ (Московский театр юного зрителя) (created in 1918, but was short-lived; reestablished in 1921 as "Московский театр для детей"; now Russian Academic Youth Theatre) and Bryantsev Youth Theatre in Saint Petersburg, opened in 1922.

A TYuZ was typically a stationary theatre, with a dedicated building that housed several scenes, including a puppet theatre.

While considered by many actors to be less prestigious than "adult" theatres, such theatres served well as entertainment for youth not yet sophisticated enough for more mature theatre.

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Miller Barber

Miller Westford Barber Jr. (March 31, 1931 – June 11, 2013) was an American professional golfer who enjoyed significant success on the PGA Tour in the 1960s and 1970s, and a greater degree of success on the Senior PGA Tour (now the Champions Tour) in the 1980s.

Career
Barber was born in Shreveport, Louisiana. He spent much of his life in Texarkana, Texas. He graduated from the University of Arkansas in 1954, turned professional four years later, and won his first PGA Tour event in 1964. He earned 11 career tour wins, but did not win a major championship. The closest he came was in 1969 at the U.S. Open at Houston, where he held a three-shot lead over the field after three rounds, but shot 78 in the last round to finish three shots behind winner Orville Moody. Earlier in April 1969, Barber entered the final round of the Masters Tournament two shots out of the lead and was paired in Sunday's final group with Billy Casper but shot a final round 74 (which included a birdie from under a tree on the 72nd hole) and finished in 7th place. He played on the Ryder Cup team in 1969 and 1971, and in the latter year was ranked sixth on the McCormack rankings.

In 1973, Barber won the longest regulation tournament in PGA Tour history. The World Open Golf Championship played at Pinehurst Country Club was a 144-hole affair. Barber won by three strokes over Ben Crenshaw.

Barber became eligible to play on the Senior PGA Tour around a year after it was founded. He was one of the dominant players on the tour throughout the 1980s, competing on even terms with players who had had much more distinguished earlier careers, such as Lee Trevino and Arnold Palmer. His 24 wins on the tour included five senior majors, three of them U.S. Senior Opens.

Barber holds the record for combined PGA Tour and Champions Tour starts at 1,297.

Barber played with an unusual looped backswing/downswing, but squared up very consistently through impact. Several other PGA Tour players, including Jim Furyk, have had success with similar methods.

Death
Barber died June 11, 2013, at the age of 82 of lymphoma in Scottsdale, Arizona. Barber was survived by his wife of 43 years, Karen, and sons Larry and Richard and stepsons Casey, Doug, Brad.

PGA Tour wins (11)
 * Note: The 1969 Kaiser International Open Invitational was shortened to 36 holes due to weather.

PGA Tour playoff record (3–4)

Other wins (1)

 * 1962 Metropolitan Open

Senior PGA Tour wins (24)
 * Note: The 1982 Hilton Head Seniors International was shortened to 36 holes due to inclement weather.

Senior PGA Tour playoff record (1–1)

Japan Senior wins (2)

 * 1985 Coca-Cola Grandslam Championship
 * 1991 Fuji Electric Grandslam Championship

Other senior wins (5)

 * 1982 Vintage Invitational
 * 1985 Shootout at Jeremy Ranch (with Ben Crenshaw)
 * 1987 Mazda Champions (with Nancy Lopez)
 * 2002 Liberty Mutual Legends of Golf - Demaret Division (with Jim Ferree)
 * 2003 Liberty Mutual Legends of Golf - Demaret Division (with Jim Ferree)

Results in major championships
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CUT = missed the half-way cut (3rd round cut in 1970 and 1974 Open Championships)

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Summary

 * Most consecutive cuts made – 12 (1966 U.S. Open – 1970 U.S. Open)
 * Longest streak of top-10s – 5 (1968 PGA – 1969 PGA)

U.S. national team appearances
Professional
 * Ryder Cup: 1969 (tie, cup retained), 1971 (winners)

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Aurelian of Réôme

Aurelian of Réôme (Aurelianus Reomensis) (fl. c. 840 – 850) was a Frankish writer and music theorist. He is the author of the Musica disciplina, the earliest extant treatise on music from medieval Europe.

Life
Next to nothing is known about his life but what can be inferred by the treatise itself. For a time he was a member of the monastery at Saint Jean de Réôme, in the Côte-d'Or near the present-day town of Moutiers-Saint-Jean. Aurelian said in his treatise that he was a former monk of Réôme, but had been dismissed from the community for an unspecified offense; he wrote the treatise as a form of penance, both at the request of his colleagues who needed his specialized knowledge, and as an attempt to supplicate Abbot Bernard of St Jean de Réôme; whether or not he was admitted back into the monastery as a result of his writing is not known. There is a record of an abbot named Bernard at St Jean de Réôme beginning in 846, who shortly afterward became bishop of Autun; this has helped establish the date for the treatise.

There has been an attempt to associate Aurelian of Réôme with Aurelian, archbishop of Lyon from 876 to 895, but the evidence for this is circumstantial at best.

Work and influence
The Musica disciplina is like the other more famous contemporary treatises (Musica and Scolica enchiriadis, Hucbald of Saint-Amand, Regino of Prüm etc.) one of the earliest Carolingian chant treatises which combine the reception of Ancient Greek music theory (ἁρμονικαὶ) with questions relevant to the contemporary performance of liturgical chant. Isidore of Seville wrote with a similar impact on contemporary Visigothic chant about music, while his subject was the music of antiquity as well.

Aurelian's tonaries
Aurelian's work is one of the earliest authors concerned about Carolingian plainchant, still within the period during which Gregorian chant became standardized by its oral transmission in northern and western Europe. One copy became the earliest extant sample of musical notation, although it was added later. Hence, the particular notational scheme which was used so far by a later scribe resisted definitive interpretation, and it only appears randomly in the earliest manuscript.

One of the most important topics covered in the Musica disciplina, to contemporary scholars, is the eight Tones (octoechos), today known as the church modes which Aurelian called "toni". As sources of the mathematic science, Aurelian used Isidore of Seville, Cassiodorus, and above all Boethius, but the eight Tones were more likely imported from Byzantine music during the 8th century, though his treatise belonged to a Carolingian chant treatise type called tonary (chapter IX-XVII).

The treatise was completed by several lists and descriptions of more than 100 chants. Like other tonaries of the time, no musical notation had been used originally.

Aurelian's music theory
He did not only refer to the octave species (modi) used by the ancient Greeks as well as by Boethius (Dorian, Phrygian, etc.), he also used names of intonation formulas communicated between chanters, such as noannoeane, and noeagis. They were obviously inspired by the Byzantine enechemata, but not identical. In the 8th chapter he also included the fascinating bit that Charlemagne himself had commanded that four more Tones should be added to the existing eight, making a total of twelve.

In the discussion of 15 octave species (chapter VI), Aurelian ascends from the lowest octave of Hypodorian (A—g—a) up to the highest octave a ninth higher which he called "Hyperlydian" (b—aa—bb). Including this conclusion at the end, the whole passage was compiled literally from Aurelius Cassiodorus. This only reference to a triphonic tone system within Carolingian chant theory, also known as the "lesser perfect system" within the Aristoxenian school, was probably the reason for Aurelian's own name as author and compiler of music theory. It proves that the early use of b flat was more influenced by triphonia. The tone system behind the 15 octaves is built in three conjunct ("synemmena") tetrachords (ypodorius—dorius—hyperdorius: A—D—G—c), with another tetrachord below (hypo) and a third one above (hyper). Within triphonia, three species like Dorian (D—c—d defined by the tetrachord tone—half tone—tone), Phrygian (E—d—e defined by the tetrachord half tone—tone—tone), and Lydian were already enough to represent the tone system, as it was needed during the use of b flat. But Cassiodorus' simplification corrupted the Lydian tonus, so that the tetrachords were based on C#—F#—b—e as a kind of transposed Phrygian species, and the Eolian tonus (C—F—♭—e♭) replaced it.

A current matter of controversy is in as much the Musica disciplina belonged to the tradition of the mathematical science music, and in as much it contributed within the Carolingian Renaissance simply as a chant manual called "tonary," which supported the oral transmission of Carolingian reform chant. Music as science had only been revived in the late 8th century by Alcuin, as part of a campaign to revive all of the liberal arts of antiquity, and which was another purpose of the Carolingian Renaissance.

There may have been prior, lost works on music from the late 8th and early 9th centuries; but if so, Aurelian makes no reference to them. In addition, Aurelian made many mistakes interpreting Boethius. Other topics covered in the Musica disciplina include the "music of the spheres," the ethical and moral effects of music, and musical proportions; in addition he includes a narrative about the inventors of music, for example Pythagoras and Jubal.

Editions
Edition based on Valenciennes, Bibliothèque municipale, Ms. 148, ff.57v-89r: Alternative edition based on Oxford, Bodleian Library, Canonici misc. 212, ff.40r-48v. 8.38-10.29:

Studies

 * Hoppin, Richard H. Medieval Music. New York, W.W. Norton & Co., 1978.  ISBN 0-393-09090-6.
 * Hoppin, Richard H. Medieval Music. New York, W.W. Norton & Co., 1978.  ISBN 0-393-09090-6.
 * Hoppin, Richard H. Medieval Music. New York, W.W. Norton & Co., 1978.  ISBN 0-393-09090-6.
 * Hoppin, Richard H. Medieval Music. New York, W.W. Norton & Co., 1978.  ISBN 0-393-09090-6.
 * Hoppin, Richard H. Medieval Music. New York, W.W. Norton & Co., 1978.  ISBN 0-393-09090-6.

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Soul music is fundamentally rhythm and blues... If this is true then this article should simply redirect to that one. I don't think this is exactly accurate; soul seems to me a subset, evolution, or maturation of R&B. Even while soul was thriving, "R&B" encompassed funk, blues, disco, and even rap and proto-rap (e.g. Gil Scott-Heron) none of which are really soul music. I will take a shot at revamping the lead soon but this seems tricky enough to bear discussion here first. Any comments? Jgm 00:13, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The term rhythm and blues is so vague as to have virtually no meaning. Soul music is fundamentally secularized gospel, with some influences from rock and country et al, I think. Tuf-Kat 02:00, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

Nothing on Northern soul?
 * I'll take care of it. --FuriousFreddy 19:17, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

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Musical characteristics
The page chronicles the history of the genre but sorta neglects specific musical characteristics (e.g. specific keys, scales or transpositions). Is there anyone with something to say about this? JFW | T@lk  17:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I second that. The way the article is written leads to think that soul is just pop performed by black americans. Which is the typical rhythm pattern? The typical key signature? The tempo? The chord progression? How to tell apart soul from r&b, from pop, from gospel and so on? Is there any musicologist/musician who can help with this subject? 38.44.74.165 (talk) 11:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Soul music is music by black people
Why does the article dance around this fact without ever stating it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.42.160.56 (talk • contribs) 25 May 2006.
 * Why state the obvious? --Ezeu 19:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Because, Ezeu: (i) Not everyone in this big wide world knows of the origins of soul music (ii) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that ought to provide info as accurately as possible; Give the devil his due..."Know what I mean?" User: CodeLyric 29, November 2006

 * Maybe now I'm stating the obvious, but not every one who plays/sings soul music is black, and not all black musicians and singers perform soul music. Yes, American blacks invented and developed the soul music genre, but the statement "Soul music is music by black people" is both incomplete and factually innaccurate. Remember, Wikipedia is for presenting documented facts backed up by reliable sources. People can interpret whatever they want from the facts that are presented. Spylab 19:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I just happened to see this statement about "soul music being music by black people" on the Talk page here. There was the widely known "blue-eyed soul" of the Box Tops and other similar groups in the 1960s. Also, some black soul bands included white side musicians. Steve Cropper and Duck Dunn played behind numerous R&B and soul performers. The soul music I personally listen to most is music largely performed by African Americans but it is inaccurate for anyone to say that this is exclusively who played soul music over the years. Some considered Dusty Springfield a soul singer, such as in her work on Dusty in Memphis. There were numerous record producers specializing in soul music who were white too. Music by "black people" includes many genres they have participated in such as blues, soul, rhythm and blues, gospel, electric gospel quartet, country, and rock, so I find this to be a confusing section of the talk page. Certainly the fact that African Americans led the development of the genre is important to note. – Bebop 02:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, well, Spylab, guess what? Technically speaking you got a point there "but not every one who plays/sings soul music is black". I'm happy for you! As a matter of fact, you got a keen eye, son. But man, your 'defense' of non-blacks in the soul community...stinks. It's hypocritical: The fact that you correct the usage of the preposition "by" in that statement while completely ignoring the injustice done to the African American people by not being mentioned as the originators of Soul Music reflects a well known phenomena of "white america"...(the 'king', rock and roll, n***** noise), ring any bells?? And that's what my brutha up there was really talking about mister.

Let me lay it out: No decent article can speak about European Classical Music without citing references to dudes such as Mozart or without placing dates, locations etc. Yes, any _serious_ article would dedicate a substantial portion to such matters. The fact that this article 'danced around' this particular 'right' is what that the heading there is really talking about...(which is so rather obvious - even for this African -, I don't know why I've got to be explaining this) but hey, somethings (and people) just don't change, right? Whatever.

You talk of "documentated facts backed up by reliable sources"?? Son, and just WHO provides these "documentated facts"?? WHO certifies these "reliable sources" my dear??? A Wikipedia administrator? Man, this is a cultural thing and if there is any one with the AUTHORITY to decide WHAT is SOUL..it is those WHO ORIGINATED and DEVELOPED it. User: codelyric, 10 July 2007

According to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, soul is "music that arose out of the black experience in America through the transmutation of gospel and rhythm & blues into a form of funky, secular testifying." Following that, in the Origins section, the article names people who are known as the originators of soul music, and most (if not all) of them are black or some kind of mixture of black. I'm not sure how that is "dancing around the issue" of the black American origins of soul music. I'm also not sure where I have supposedly "defended" non-blacks in the soul community other than to say they have existed, which is a documented fact. Also, where's the so-called hypocricy you accuse me of? Bottom line: Wikipedia policy is to present facts backed up by reliable references, regardless of the race, nationalality, religion, class, hair colour etc. of the writer. Wikipedia articles are not places to express personal opinions or to post original research. If you have any specific suggestions to improve the article, feel free to list list them here or make the changes to the article yourself.Spylab 11:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The second sentence of the article states:

Dear Spylab, I've intentionally "bounced back" hoping to see how someone would respond...its incredible, but anyway. Its sad, to say the least, that somehow you either don't see or just don't want to see things in context, for a soul...well atleast, you got a cool head. Anyway, again, I'll lay out things for you:

- In the first place, your reference to the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" block and "Origin" section DID NOT EXIST when that brutha spawned this thread. Otherwise, both he and Ezeu back there would have been stark raving mad to have been discussing the issue in the first place! CAN'T YOU SEE THAT!? So, please do not quote things that have been edited AFTER and therefore not in context. Neither was I speaking of the present document. Re-READ my previous edit! I am defending a soul brutha who had every right to have raised that particular complaint, even though he might have not used 'text book' english...of which you corrected him.

- You are not sure how you "defended" non-blacks in the soul community? Are you sure, that you are not sure?? Check it: You begun you other statement like "...but not every one who plays/sings soul music is black, and not all black musicians and singers perform soul music...", I mean wtf? Of course not! But have you ever heard of the term African American Music? Black Music? Huh? How may non-blacks up that mutha right now? Plenty! But, has the title African American Music ever been an issue?? And that's why when I hit Ezeu back there I said "Give the Devil his due". Sylab, we could begin going into a hundred million factors and play games all day but this is not a mathematical problem man. Its a cultural issue.

- Where is the hypocrisy? Well then, I'll quote it again, "The fact that you (are sharp enough) correct the usage of the preposition "by" in that statement while completely ignoring the injustice done to the African American people by not being mentioned as the originators of Soul Music reflects a well known phenomena...", is that clear? ( And don't start quoting things from the present somewhat 'rectified' articles ) I was speaking in the context of 'then'

- I quote you, "Wikipedia policy is to present facts backed up by reliable references, regardless of the race, nationalality, religion, class, hair colour etc. of the writer." And I ask you, "Sylab, who is denying (or has denied) this? Please, don't even quote it...As a matter of fact, I was the one demanding justice! what the..."

And oh, yes, I frequently freely contribute to changes in many a "such" an article...codelyric 11 July 2007

 * That Rock and Roll Hall of Fame quote was in the article long before you made your recent post on this talk page, leading me to believe that perhaps you have not fully read the article. If you have, then I'm not sure why you would pointlessly obsess about old versions of the article when there is plenty to discuss about the current version. You still have not offered any concrete suggestions about how to improve the article, and have not clearly explained your previous baseless accusations about me supposedly "defending" such and such, or of me somehow being a hypocrite. Perhaps you are here just to vent, which is not the purpose of Wikipedia talk pages. This page is for commenting on what is actually in (or not in) the article, and for making real suggestions for improvements. Spylab 17:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Th'Gator here. I'm completely new to Wikipedia input, and this method of expressing my opinions seems somehow wrong - I should be adding a post instead of editing existing ones. If someone would set me straight on how to do this properly, I'd deeply appreciate it.

Perhaps it would help if I pointed out that "gospel music" originated from a religion, primarily white Western European in influence, which was taught (perhaps forcibly) to enslaved Africans, many of whom had to abandon their animistic religions learned from birth.

While they made Christian religion uniquely their own, the roots of that religion were shared by those who taught them. Therefore, it's realistic to hypothesize that soul music would easily migrate to those descendants of slaveowners who shared the same religious practices. For this reason, I'd suggest that soul music be described as being INSPIRED by black origins.

Though I grew up in the New Orleans area, I'm new to really understanding what's soul, what's R&B, etc. The movie "Ray" helped a lot, but I'm not from the same traditions as most of the slaves' teachers. I'm just plain not good at classifying music anyway.

I'd like to nominate Janis Joplin of "Big Brother and the Holding Company" and many country (& Western) artists, especially "Alabama", as white soul artists. Should anyone object to the latter, I suggest that someone else (I'm really busy, but I had to comment here) check out the TV special on "Alabama" which removed the instruments from a rendition of one of their songs. The "a cappella" result was pure gospel. Th'Gator (talk) 10:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Soul music goes back to negro spirituals and plantation singing. There is only one group of people anyone in their right mind would think of... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman1984 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

myspace
I have removed a link to Juliette leon in myspace. Let me know if that was a mistake. We generally don't link to myspace. :) Dlohcierekim 12:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC) Re-added by anon. :) Dlohcierekim 12:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
This article is written from a rather highly biased point of view. Soul music is more than just the recordings most loved by rockists (Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding, et al.), although they are certainly among the greats. The article needs to be re-written to encompass a greater focus (The Chi-Lites aren't soul?!). --FuriousFreddy 00:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

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Where are you music historian/critic/columnist?
I'm flagging this.... There is a simmering black/white issue here from the arguments I'm reading... I'm hoping that a music PhD will come and clean up this article.... It probably needs better verification... I'm having problems with Louis Prima. All I know about Louis Prima is Keely Smith and some jazz standards from the 40s and 50s... Back then it was called R&B - by about the late 50's, early 60's....a particular form of R&B became known as soul music... However - An expert will help greatly...

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Louis Prima
Took him out completely from this article. He did what was loosely termed R&B at the time. The best examples of his music are the remakes done by rockers in previous years such as "I Ain't Got Nobody" by David Lee Roth & "Jump, Jive N Wail" by the Brian Setzer Orchestra - which isn't of course, soul music, but a highly energized form of swing music and/or jump blues. The entire American swing revival of the late 90s took its cue from Louis Prima rather than Glenn Miller. Soul music descended from the "black churches" and influenced the rhythm and blues scene - not created out of spontaneity.

13:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

New York? Chicago? Illinois?
The article says the following: "Cultural origins: late 1950s United States (esp. New York, Chicago, Illinois)". Why?? I thought soul music was created in US state of Georgia by Ray Charles and James Brown. Netrat_msk (talk) 15:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would you limit the origin of soul with Ray Charles and James Brown? There are multiple sources for the genre. 00:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They were the main contributors. Anyway, what about soul music coming from Georgia? Netrat_msk (talk) 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Neo soul as a subgenre
How about moving Neo soul from fusion forms to subgenres? Neo soul is surely influenced by hip-hop, but it almost never features any rapping or scratching etc. so actually it is rather influenced by hip-hop soul than hip hop itself. IMHO neo soul is a part of moder soul music rather than hip hop. So unless we believe soul music died out in late 1970 to be completely replaced by contemporary R&B, neo soul should be regarded as its sub-genre. Netrat_msk (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, neo soul belongs more to contemporary R&B rather than actual soul... Maybe we shouldn't move it. Netrat_msk (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

what are "plastic body moves"
I see no link and google has no answers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.31.143.193 (talk) 04:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Rhythm and blues is already said to be a bit gospel
"Rhythm and blues (also known as R&B, R'n'B or RnB) is a popular music genre combining jazz, gospel, and blues influences." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.159.77 (talk) 18:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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SOUL
WHY IS IT CALLED SOUL?

 * This probably comes from the idea that one's soul is the seat of or the manifestation of emotion. It may be a sort of chicken/egg thing, but around the time that soul music arose, the term "soul" was often used to describe the emotional nature of a musician and/or his performance. A certain singer might be said to have a lot of "soul" in a given recording, and by extension, the recording itself would be said to have "soul", hence a style of music which emphasized a strongly emotional style of singing could be said to be soul music. Black musicians in particular were said to have soul, while often the "blue-eyed" white musicians were said to not truly have "soul" but we're rather just copying without understanding the style. Wschart (talk) 13:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Crappy article
Part of the following should be integrated into this really crappy article: None of these sources are entirely satisfactory, but they have lots of good info that is lacking in this Wikpedia article.
 * A brief history of Soul Music
 * The Definition of Soul
 * The History of Soul (also at http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2157141/the_history_of_soul_music_.html, but it is blacklisted)

How could you talk about soul music without mentioning Sam Cooke?!?! "You Send Me" was released in 1957. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.177.205 (talk) 23:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't disagree - but there's a shortage of editors (we're all volunteers, you know) willing and able to improve articles like this one, so if you want to give it a go, read this and get stuck in. :-)   Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Belatedly, I've started doing a little work on this. If others want to pitch in, feel free. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

References needed - apply within
I'll have a look around for some references. I think we may be able to remove some of the no ref tags. This article should be better but its such a wide genre with so many artists that its hardly surprising that no one has wanted to take it on. We are talking easily two months of solid work and attention to improve this article. I noticed that others have complained that it needs improvement but given the reasons above no one can apportion blame to anyone else.

I sometimes wonder why Wikipedia doesn't take these sorts of articles into music colleges and departments through a student/equipment grant scheme. Offer the music department some music equipment or other related stuff and trust me - they will have their students working on this article like a slave. lol

Sluffs (talk) 14:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Sluffs. I've been meaning to get round to this article for some time but haven't yet managed it, apart from a bit of tweaking to the section on the 60s some time ago.  I have sources, I expect you have sources... - I'm sure we and others can work together on this.  Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

At 15:58 on the 11 September 2013 - user Ghmyrtle decided my future involvement in this article
Nope. You blew it mate. Out of here.

Reason: one hour's work and a lead-in that was not fully formed destroyed for the sake of nothing.

pants - four million articles - I'm going to choose one that you are not interested in.

lol. they never learn or work it out. mind-racer editor putting foot to the pedal. gone.

Sluffs (talk) 16:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Lede should mention the key subgenres, like Motown
I think that the lede should mention the key subgenres, such as Motown. However, I think that just giving a list of subgenres does not transmit enough information to the reader (e.g., "The key subgenres are Motown, Northern soul, Blue-eyed soul....). I think it is desirable to have a list of these genres AND say a few words about each subgenre. And here is where the debate arises. Some editors object to the cutting and pasting of text from the body into the lead. The challenge is that the text in the body often does a very good job articulating the nature of the different subgenres, so it is desirable to copy some of the body's text into the lead. I looked in MOS:LEAD and I did not find a specific prohibition of reusing text from the body in the lead. There are statements that the lead should summarize the body, and that the lead should not have too many details. I think a few words about each subgenre is not too detailed.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 13:03, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. The lead/lede, mentioning those sub-genres, is essentially fine.  Of course, the guidance is that the lead needs to summarise the rest of the article - that is why it is there.  The problem in this case is that the main article is still quite poor, and needs a lot of expansion.  I know I keep promising to expand it (see earlier threads) and one day I will.  But if anyone else wants to expand the main article (using reliable sources) while leaving the lead essentially as it is, go for it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Citation sources
A good source for citations on Stax related matters is "Respect Yourself" by Robert Gordon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.238.114 (talk) 22:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Remove Fats Domino from the article please
I tried to remove Fats Domino from the article, but it was reverted. Domino is neither a soul singer nor an influence on Soul Music. He is R&B, Boogie-woogie, and Rock 'n' roll. In one way it doesn't matter because this may be one of the worst articles on a major music genre on Wikipedia. But somehow the article needs to be cleaned up and if we can't start fixing the small problems in the article we will never get to the big ones. I have a library of over 1,000 music books and I have never seen Domino named as an influence on Soul Music. It misleads users. Comments please.StonePeter (talk) 00:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Northern Soul
I think there should be a move to take out Northern Soul as a subgenre. It's not a genre or even a style it was a scene. All the soul played was basically American soul from Detroit, Chicago and the south. Semioplex (talk) 04:21, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

 * The genres in the infobox in the top right corner of the page are listed in alphabetical order, not in order of importance. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:25, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

"...originated in African American communities..."
I've reverted this change to the opening sentence once, but would like to see further discussion here. Of course, soul music was performed by African-American singers and musicians. That is not in doubt. But did it "originate in African American communities" - or was the fusion of secular R&B and gospel traditions into soul music primarily initiated by record companies, for the prime purpose of selling records and making money? And, those companies were primarily (not exclusively, I know) owned by white people. So, is it right to assert that the genre originated in African American communities? Or, is it best to leave that unsaid, and for the reader to gain a more nuanced interpretation by leaving those words out and reading the whole article? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I too have reverted it in the past. My rationale was similar to yours. For now, I've addressed the linking issues, but would consider removal again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:09, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I would be willing to accept "African American community," which would be a cultural community rather than "African American communities" which sounds geographic. I also would not object to "communities" just being removed. Carptrash (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

STOP edit warring
There is some sort of edit warring going on as to whether or not Blues should be included somewhere here. I don't even know where, I have opinions but think that we should discuss it here rather than run through any more "undo"s. First of all, where does this Blues show up? Or not. Carptrash (talk) 19:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know that it's an edit war yet, and the thing that we're editing out or back in is the blues navigation template. It appears at the bottom of the article along with the other two navigation templates. Their use is discussed at Wikipedia:Navigation template. The only concern is whether the subjects listed in the templates are indeed related articles. That might be better discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, whether this is a technical war or not, it is silly, all this "undoing" and getting out of control. My way of dealing with almost any problem, here or in that other world, is at the point at which the problem manifests it self.  Which is here.  I will develop an opinion, now that I know what we ate talking about, but not before I finish my lunch. Carptrash (talk) 20:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * First, there's no need to ping me.
 * Second, while WP:BRD was not followed, it's far from getting out of control.
 * Third, the discussion that should happen at WikiProject Music is whether this article belongs in that template or not. You may discuss whatever you want here. We'll discuss things that affect more than this article at the project level. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:45, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Always looking at the big picture? While I am just trying to reach a local agreement. Carptrash (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There were edits across several genre articles, and the question of inclusion cannot be discussed here. In short, there wasn't an edit war and the underlying issue is larger than the topic addressed in this article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:11, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Great, so go fix the rules where ever they get fixed. Carptrash (talk) 22:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

About Motown
I just cut this phrase out: "Some considered the sound to be mechanistic," because we really do not get to claim that "some considered" anything without including a source or reference. I am not going to insert the cute WHO thing, if you have a "who" include it and stick the words back in. Carptrash (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait, who added that? Because that is some blatant weasel wording right there. Rjrya395 (talk) 02:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Doesn't really matter who added it, just that it doesn't get back in. Carptrash (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

"Foundational Black American" vs "African American"
A user has made multiple attempts to change instances of "African American" to "Foundational Black American". It has been undone by several different editors. I've undone the change again, back to the original state pending discussion.

It's not a term I have heard before, but I don't claim to be knowledgeable about African American culture. The user in question seems to be attempting to exclude recent Black immigrants from consideration. Is there any evidence that Foundational Black American is a term that we should be using in this context? Meters (talk) 07:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not a term that is widely used. We don't even have an article explaining what it is.  If it becomes widely used, eventually we should use it - but certainly not now.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:04, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Foundational Black American is a redirect to African Americans#Terminology dispute, but it is not even listed there. In short, it is also not a term recognized on Wikipedia.
 * I searched the Internet for its use and origin at the time of the disruption: there is some use of the term. The first page suggests that there are About 75,400 results, but there were not even 100 uses of it in total (click on page 8 and you'll see Page 8 of 80 results). Most are associated with Tariq Nasheed. Until it sees wider use, including an article on Wikipedia or one of its English-language sister projects, I see no reason to include it this article as it would be an WP:EASTEREGG. In other words, if a reader wanted to know what the topic was about and they clicked on the link, they would not be able to read anything about it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For the record, the editor who was blocked,, has had the block expire three days ago, but they have not returned to edit anywhere on the project. My repeated requests to discuss it or get an article created related the term were ignored, and instead baseless insinuations that I was a racists or a vandal for not allowing the disruptive edits from remaining in-place were made. I do not expect that the editor will be returning. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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