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Talk:Strain gauge

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Doesn’t sorcery in reference 23 belong on another webpage? The listing of Zemic and Hottinger Baldwin Messtechnik look like advertisements. Comment by Ray Delcher — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.24.45.40 (talk) 21:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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Murphy's Law
I understand that the error made by the engineers in the Murphy's Law story was that the strain gauges were wired up incorrectly in the Wheatstone bridge NOT that they were installed at 90 degrees. I quote the story at the linked page:

http://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i5/murphy/murphy1.html

So I have altered this note slightly.--Turtle (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * If valid then why does it not have anything at the website quoted, it is neither on the page nor found with the search engine.
 * Also Murphy's law has no mention of it. Aether22 (talk) 23:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi Aether22, sadly the website above has changed since I read the article. It seems the excellent Murphy's law story the website ran has been taken off and is now sold as a book? Since this the link is now no good to the article I'll change the citation. --Turtle (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, this anecdote doesn't belong here anyway, but rather in the Wheatstone bridge article. It is an unnecessary distraction. 188.103.189.134 (talk) 16:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Spelling
I'm not greatly fussed about "gage" and "gauge". But, if the article is "Strain gauge" and "Strain gage" redirects, then the spelling should be "gauge". If the article was "Strain gage" and "Strain gauge" redirected, then we should use "gage". Changed. Mr Stephen 22:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Industry standard has been "gage". Omega and Micro-Measurements use gage throughout their sites. Most of the citations on this wiki page use gage. HBM seems mostly to have switched to gauge, despite the fact that their incredibly thorough book "An Introduction to Measurements using Strain Gages" uses gage. It is now available as a free .pdf from the HBM website under the title "An Introduction to Stress Analysis and Transducer Design using Strain Gauges", but the only change from gage to gauge is in the title. 12.230.47.87 (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "Industry standard" according to whom? I worked in the industry and I never used the American spelling. Some companies use "gage" (e.g., MicroMeasurements, Omega) while others use "guage" (e.g., Kyowa, BCM) The article has used "gauge" since it was written. And I don't see any need to have an "also" known as for a minor spelling variation. Meters (talk) 01:41, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Piezoresistive effect
The common metallic foil gauges do not use the piezoresistive effect, but rely on the geometric change, ie $$r=\frac{\rho l}{A}$$. Deleted. Mr Stephen 22:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * On re-reading, I realise that this may mislead. I don't dispute that $$\rho$$ changes with strain. Mr Stephen 21:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Temperature effects
It is quite hard to create strain-free dummy gauges that are at the same temperature as the specimen. The usual technique is to use gauges made of Constantan or another alloy with a small thermal coefficient of resistance and a three-wire connection. Mr Stephen 22:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Done -- added to article. --75.41.34.231 17:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Strain Gauge History
Although Edward E Simmons developed a woven gauge, it was Arthur Claude Ruge at MIT who, at the same time in 1938, developed the first practical gauge where resistance wire was glued to a backing material. (An introduction to Measurements using Strain Gauges HBM) Patrick1950 15:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * All references I could find credit Edward Simmons with the original invention of the strain gauge (though many credit him for inventing it in 1936, rather than 1938). If the Ruge strain gauge is such a notable type of strain gauge, I don't see why it shouldn't also be added to the article. --Karnesky 17:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The size of a strain gauge
I think the typical dimensions of a strain gauge should be clearly listed in order to improve this article.

 * Define "typical". When I worked in a testing lab, I dealt with gauges ranging in size from 2mm x 1mm to 25mm x 10mm. --Carnildo 22:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Well there you go! :-) Robert K S (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I have used bondable foil strain gauges with a grid as short as 0.015 inches and as long as 4 inches. MicroMeasurements makes strain gauges as short as 0.008 inches and Omega makes a 6 inch long strain gauge. The "typical" length depends entirely on the application. Measurements on concrete and other heterogeneous materials require a very long gauge length, but measurements of strains at local stress concentrations require a very short gauge length. I'll add something to the article. Meters (talk) 22:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Introduction
It is not a good idea to have formulas in the introduction.--Kölscher Pitter (talk) 09:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Physical operation
There are factual errors in the explanation.
 * A typical strain gauge arranges a long, thin conductive strip in a zig-zag pattern of parallel lines such that a small amount of stress in the direction of the orientation of the parallel lines results in a multiplicatively larger strain over the effective length of the conductor—and hence a multiplicatively larger change in resistance—than would be observed with a single straight-line conductive wire.

The strain does not increase: strains are dimensionless and are usually expressed as a decimal fraction, a percentage or in parts-per notation. If the strain is 1%, every segment is stretched 1%, and the total sum of the segments also increases with 1%. Ssscienccce (talk) 22:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point. The filament zig zags because, like almost everything in strain gauge design, its length is a compromise. Gauge resistance is standardized (usually to 120 or 350 ohms) so a filament of a particular cross section needs to be a particular length. That length is generally much longer than the desired gauge (measurement) length and thus the filament is folded or zig-zagged. Unfortunately this increases the gauge's sensitivity to transvers strains. Why not make the cross section small enough that the resistance/length is high enough that the filament does not need to be folded? Because the area of contact between the filament and the substrate would be too small to prevent the gauge from heating up. Reducing the voltage to reduce the power (and heating) would lower the sensitivity of the measurement system... and on and on. I've been meaning to do a major review of this article. Maybe this will remind me. Meters (talk) 23:34, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm no expert on strain gauge tech, but this edit, I believe fixes this matter of syntax and terminological inexactitudeness. Regards // Fra nkB 16:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Misleading lede?
By concentrating on electronic strain gauges, the lede of the article suggests that strain guages were invented in the 1930s - in fact other types of (presumably mechanical) strain guages were in use earlier - Warrior to Dreadnought: Warship Development 1860–1905 by D K Brown (1997) refers to a series of strength trials carried out on the destroyer HMS Wolf in 1903 which involved the fitting of some 30 pairs of strain gauges (p. 184–185.).Nigel Ish (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Mechanical types
While there are mechanical means of measuring strain, the example used in this section is not actually measuring strain. It is measuring displacement across a crack, not strain. I suggest removing this example. Meters (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * removed. Meters (talk) 17:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Definition of 'force collector'
This phrase is used a number of times in the article. It feels like a technical term in strain gaugery, so I think that it ought to be defined before it is used. I know little about the subject, so leave it to someone else. Macboff (talk) 15:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Western Railway Corridor

Old 2005 post
This is an excellent addition to the railway section in west of Ireland. Its a great pity more use is not made of our extensive railroads. Well done Zoney! --File Éireann 10:04, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Delisted good article
I have delisted this article. Sections have been added that are poorly written. It is illogical in structure, it contains wadges of rubbish quotes undifferentiated from the text of the article. It contains a ministerial statement in full containing some waffling evasive answer to a parliamentary question. In short, someone has broken this article. Curtains99 16:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we actually need these extensive quotations? Comparing what the article looked like as Zoney left it with what we have now, I think his version gives us much the same information -- but far more succinctly. -- llywrch 16:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be fine to link to an external document, I should think. Evertype 17:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Blanking
User:87.40.116.10 who is a new user has 3 times deleted paragraphs relating to the Irish Times criticisms of the WRC. These criticisms were made both in a leader article and in an opinion column by Frank McDonald. The comments are sourced and relevant and add to the neutrality of the article as most references from decent sources are pro-WRC. The articles in question provoked much comment both in letters to the editor, in the form of a rebuttal article printed in the same paper and in responses in other newspapers.

Following the 3 revert rule WP:3RR I am not going to revert this user's changes anymore but I would appreciate if someone else does before the article sinks again. Curtains99 17:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

 * And so it continues with edits like this.
 * Curtains99 19:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Response from User:87.40.116.10
 * 1. There is no intention to mislead or censor. The references given to the Irish Times were not accessible to the reader nor was the reference to the Sunday Business Post and PPPs, the relevance of which was unclear. Feel free to restore them if they can be read in full and also the rebuttal article.
 * 2. The addition of referenced Dept. of Finance statistics can hardly be deemed to be biased in response to a statement such as: "Some also argue with the ASSUMPTION that the West is receiving less than its fair share of government spending." In fact the Department of Finance itself is now stating it as a fact, not an assumption.
 * 3. I agree that the whole page appears overlong e.g. the intricate history of the railway itself. 87.40.116.10 09:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi, please sign your comments by adding ~ at the end.
 * I am going to answer your points one by one
 * 1. I accept your assurances that you have no intention to mislead or censor. The question of what constitutes an acceptable source on a Wikipedia page is described in detail here: Reliable sources. You will see from this that sources for Wikipedia articles may be printed matter such as books and newspapers or else online sources. The fact that a source is not online does not take away from its reliability. Also please note this section of the article: Reliable sources, which states that checking sources may require some effort. You can see from this that the fact that the internet version of a source is only available by subscription does not take away from its acceptability or reliability. If you wish to check this source you can obtain the newspaper from the library or pay a subscription of €2 to read it online.
 * 2. I can see where you are coming from but please understand that writing a Wikipedia article is not like other forms of writing. You are specifically not permitted to cite primary source material such as government statistics and then add your own analysis of that data - no matter how simple your own analysis is. See Reliable_sources for details of which type of sources you may use and the distinction between primary and secondary sources. The policy and reasoning behind banning analysis of source data to make an argument is detailed here: WP:NOR. What you can do is list published sources of writers who have analysed this kind of data. For example, if you could find a newspaper article or an academic paper where an author analyses government data to conclude that the West of Ireland gets less or more than its fair share of spending then you could use that.
 * 3. I am glad you agree that the page is getting too detailed with intricate history. Curtains99 23:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you for that information. I have attempted to shorten the historical overview, while retaining as much information as possible.
 * As regards the overall article, if it is perceived that a one-sided view is currently reflected, may I invite you to make whatever changes you feel are necessary to restore the neutral status of the article.
 * 87.40.116.10 10:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PS I have now inserted the correct format User:87.40.116.10 in the discussion where applicable and managed to sign successfully! User:87.40.116.10
 * Thanks for being helpful. Curtains99 11:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

POV tag
This article has been tagged for neutrality due to the systematic removal of all referenced criticisms of the subject matter and the addition of editor-written analysis of primary source material contrary to WP:OR and WP:RS
 * However, the Department of Finance Report for the Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service issued in June 2006 entitled "Progress on the National Development Plan 2000-2006" shows: P20; 4.6 "In the Public Transport area €2.7 billion or 117% of forecast has been invested in the South and East region to the end of 2005," while on p24, 3.9 it states "In the Public Transport area €283 million has been directly invested in projects in the BMW region." Forecast expenditure was €448 million. This means that significantly less than the actual sum forecast was spent in the BMW, although 27% of the state's population reside there.

Please return the article to a neutral state and then remove the POV tag. Thanks, Curtains99 11:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Removed the POV tag as there has been no discussion and issues are minor. Additions of information by 213.202.157.180 further add to this balance. Can people close to the Pro-western corridor lobby groups please refrain from removing cited sources even if they are against your or your group's views. Remember the NPOV official policy which is paramount to the reliability of Wikipedia. Jamesnp 12:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Synthesis of published sources to build a case is forbidden per WP:SYNT
I dropped this paragraph: "The Leader of the Opposition, Enda Kenny, T.D., has highlighted the exact extent of this underspend: (Massive underspend in National Development Plan in BMW Region – Kenny), 9, as has the BMW assembly, the West on Track Campaign (Anger over infrastructure underspend in West - Irish Times 2005), 10, and MEP Marian Harkin (Harkin deplores underspend in BMW region), 11. In February 2007 the Urban Forum highlighted the damage being done to Dublin and to the regions by the lack of balanced regional development and called for the urgent development of an “Atlantic Corridor”12."

This paragraph seeks to prove that the Western Region of Ireland is underinvested by central government. There are two problems with this. First: Wikipedia articles list the published opinions of others but an article cannot draw information from two sources and combine it to build a case or prove something. This kind of writing is non-neutral and forbidden by wp:npov and more specifically by WP:SYNT Second: there is no consensus amongst published sources that one region of Ireland is underinvested compared to the others. Every regional authority makes reasoned arguments as to why it is underinvested and should receive a higher share of investment from central government or EU funds. See the annual reports of each regional authority: Dublin Regional Authority, Mid-West Regional Authority, South-West Regional Authority or Midlands Regional Authority.

The notion of a 'fair share' of central government funds cannot be determined by Wikipedia as it si too complex and would require original research which is forbidden. For example, is a fair share of investment to divide money equally between regions in proportion to population? or would it be more fair to allocate funds based on disadvantage, thus giving to those who need it most? Or maybe it would be more fair to allocate funds according to tax collected in the region, reqarding those who work hardest or pay most taxes? ReadyForTheSedative? 12:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The removal of information showing that there IS an actual underspend cannot be justified. This point is not about "the notion", as you put it, of a 'fair share' of central government funds being determined by Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not being asked to adjudicate on anything. The fact is that in the last National Development Plan the Government of Ireland decided to spend certain specified amounts of money in the various regions of Ireland. It has since publicly stated what the actual expenditures were and the figures show that there was an underspend in the western region. The report entitled Progress on the National Development Plan 2000-2006. Department of Finance June 2006, shows this as fact. I am therefore restoring this reference from the Department of Finance, without commentary. (Watercress 14:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC))

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Extension of Western Rail Corridor
Would there be any support for extending the rail line north of Sligo to serve Co. Donegal? It seems logical to extend it to Donegal Town, (with maybe a spur along the coast to Killybegs, where there was a Railbus service until the late 1950s) then to Letterkenny, and finally meet up in Derry, where the rail line and station already exists. This would greatly help with tourism, cross-border initiatives, environmental issues, and with trade. Any thoughts anyone? Mickeyjoe (talk) 20:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Ardrahan railway station
Ardrahan station is mentioned in the map at the side with an opening date of 2008 - however, the article it links to says the station will open in stages starting in 2009 and that the station is currently closed. Does anyone have a source for the expected opening? Autarch (talk) 19:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Main article changes (during May 2009)
Just a few words on the changes over the past week or so. The article needed a bit of a clean up, so I've tried to get it a little under control and it seems to be getting there. My general impression at the moment is:
 * The debate section could become a battle ground. So lets just cite a few sources both pro and anti, and let the reader chase up through external sources. Are enough references given to the anti campaign to make this a balanced section?
 * I removed the Press Coverage section as it pretty much duplicated the Debate references.
 * The Progess of Works section could use a tidy-up, perhaps a properly timelined sequence of events and developments.
 * Too many minor edits are being saved by (primarily anonymous) users. Please make an edit, click show preview button, and if happy continue to your next edit without saving. When all edits are completed hit the save button. This avoids lots of minor individual saves showing up on the history.

Anything else?--Milesoneill (talk) 08:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

BQuinn207 edits
I want to talk about the Bquinn207 edits. If, as I suspect, this editor is Brendan Quinn of the Sligo-Mayo Greenway campaign, surely his contributions are not encyclopedic by nature and are indeed biased? Mr. Quinn has campaigned long and hard against the WRC for some years now.

I have removed two POV items from the article; one regarding rail freight and the other regarding the section for TEN-T funding as the section was inaccurate and biased. The Limerick-Athenry section is in fact part of the TEN-T Comprehensive network. This is not mentioned by BQuinn207 in his edit of the section.

Donoreavenue (talk) 12:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Further edits to article by Brenquinn
The recent edits to this article by user brenquinn have been removed. They were POV rather than encyclopedic fact.

Donoreavenue (talk) 14:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

The comments removed by Donoreavenue were not as the writer claims POV. Comments made in regard to the Western Rail Corridor not being part of the European TEN-T policy are statements of fact not opinion. Any proposed rail projects which are not part of TEN-T policy are not going to be built. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenquinn (talk • contribs) 20:45, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

editing of Brenquinn contributions
The comments added about European TEN-T policy not including the Western Rail corridor north of Athenry are not POV they are statments of Fact. The European TEN-T policy does not support any further extensions of the Western Rail Corridor nor does it have any long term objective for a railway from Athenry to Donegal/Derry. Suggesting a railway corridor is going to be opened north of Athenry is totally and utterly a POV there is no plan from Irish Government, Europe or Irish Rail to suggest the railway will ever be re-opened. This is not POV it's fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenquinn (talk • contribs) 20:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I disagree with you that there are no plans to re-open the railway line north of Athenry to Claremorris and beyond. West on Track are campaigning to establish a new freight path from Ballina to Foynes via Tuam and Athenry, known as the "missing link". See recent editorials from the Western People and Mayo News supporting this. TEN-T is one source of funding, Inteereg Irish government funding and private capital the other sources. Donoreavenue (talk) 14:32, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution
I propose to put this article to the formal dispute resolution process as you have reverted the edits made yesterday and I do not wish to have an edit war on the page.

Donoreavenue (talk) 08:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Vol 4
Music duo that released a demo tape. Not notable. Radiant! 10:04, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Delete. Trilobite (Talk) 14:57, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, no article here yet. Wyss 19:47, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, band vanity. Megan1967 04:32, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viva! Bravo!

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Viva! Bravo!
Stub for a band album. Fails to establish notability. Radiant! 10:04, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trilobite (Talk) 14:57, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete but wait... this refers to a Menudo album. I don't think most albums (including this one) should have separate articles in WP, but others may think differently so I thought I'd mention it. Wyss 19:45, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep thank you Wyss. Being by Menudo establishes notability. The consensus is to keep articles of this type, though I wouldn't mind seeing them merged. Kappa 22:36, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, while Menudo were notable (If you like Puerto Rican boy bands from the 80s), how does that make one of its obscure album releases notable? This album was only ever released in Italian in 1986. It never charted any where except in Italy. Megan1967 02:10, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * All albums by notable groups are encyclopedic because you need to know about the albums to know about the group. Kappa 09:05, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * An interesting assertion, but patently false. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:30, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree with Wile E. Radiant! 09:14, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - SimonP 14:21, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't delete, merge into Menudo. Dewet 14:33, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fancruft. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:30, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. JuntungWu 08:55, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, but it's important to mention: The fact that Ricky Martin was in Menudo needs to be mentioned in the Menudo article (though I don't know even close to enough about Menudo to fix it). There is already an entry on Menudo that has information on this album, and I'm not at all sure that this is Menudo's only Italian-released album -- so aside from that, no information is lost by losing this article. BenSamples 21:12, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, spurious notability. JamesBurns 08:18, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, does no harm. dbenbenn | talk 16:31, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Italian war crimes

bias
I am adding the non-NPOV tag, since I feel there is a deep bias in the way this article has been written.

The article is incomplete and incorrect, there is another question (and that includes italian concentration camps): should war crimes committed by the R.S.I (the puppet regime of Hitler in northern Italy) be counted as italian? They were trialed in Nürnberg together with other Nazi crimes so officially were committed by the Germans. After the armistice Hitler annected Alto-Adige adn other parts of eastern Italy as a compensation and immediately the extermination camps were built in Italy, but this happened in Germany, because those regions belonged to Germany at that time. The CROWCASS archive in fact lists only crimes committed before 1943 and those are certainly a small part.

thats not true italian acts in tripolitania and now ethipia were really gruesome.--Tresckow 11:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

WWII Victims in Yugoslavia
This one is really interesting

According to the listings of the State Commision for the Establishment of War Crimes Committed by Occupying Forces and Collaborators, performed in 1946: In The Croatian territory only 13.000 people died of typhoid, 22,376 were killed by Germans, 12.500 by Germans and Italians, 8.111 by Italians. Bosnia and Hercegovina had about the same number of victims.

serbian victims of WWII

National Liberation Army soldiers                                  82,000 Collaborators and "quislings"                                      23,000 Taken to the German camp in Zemun                                  20,000 125,000 	 Died of typhoid                                                     25,000 Killed by Germans                                                  45,000 Killed by Italians                                                 15,000 Civilians killed in battles between Ustashas,Chetniks and Partisans 34,000 Killed in prisons, pits and other camps                            28,000 Killed in the Jasenovac-Gradina camp                               50,000 197,000 Total number of those killed and the dead  	 	              322,000

Concentration Camps in Yugoslavia
Lubiana had a popolation of 80.000 in 1942, on Juny 27-28-29-30th and July 1st 1942 20435 persons were controlled and 2858 (3.5% of the entire population) arrested and sent to concentration camps becouse either ex-military or political oppositors, 771 of them where students.

Approximately 30.000 persons were interned in concentration camps controlled by the II Army, Yugoslavian military, families of partisans (Orders were to kill the partisans and accomplices on the spot, arrest their entire family, confiscate all their properties), political opponents and Jews. Several orders sent by the Commander of the IInd Army stressed that in no case Partisans or their accomplices had to be captured alive. The death rate was extimated by italian doctors as 2%, very high but a lot inferior to that of German concentration camps. According to Yugoslavian sources approximately 2700 persons died in italian concentration camps.Renicci the mast famus camp, near Anghiari(Arezzo)

Requirements
First of all, the reference to war crimes is inaccurate to describe the occupation of Trieste, Gorizia and Zara, since all of these are war compensations. Furthermore, saying Istria is Slovenian may be correct now, not in 1930s, when these facts are set (no Slovenia after WWI, but only Yugoslavia).

Second, Italy was a colonial power, and acted as a colonial power. That said, someone should motivate the cruelness accuse.

Third, being one of the aggressive Axis Powers in World War II is not a war crime. As far as war could be fair, Italy acted fairly against France, United Kingdom and United States (as well as Greece and Yugoslavia).

Fourth, the definition of volte-face is biased. The same act can be defined as armistice, and the article does not mention in any way that less than two months before the alleged volte-face, Fascist dictature fell.

That said, the only part that could be presented as Italian war crimes is the actions taken in Yugoslavia and Greece, as reported by the bibliography, but it would require a development to become an article.

--Panairjdde 10:05, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Badoglio
And Ethiopia, then Abessinia imho, see Pietro Badoglio. When the article is finished it will be clearer why Italian policies are closer to definition of genocide than "just" war crimes. Meanwhile, you chen check Rab, Gonars, Ustje and of cours Crimini di guerra page if you understand Italian...
 * I am not telling that Italy made no war crimes, I am just telling that the article is badly written, and disputable. If you think to be right, go on and write it better. Note also that there were Italian concentration camps also in Italy; this is well known.--Panairjdde 11:14, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, could you please let me know the Italian war crimes committed by Badoglio? --Panairjdde 13:15, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tag changed to LOng NPOV which is appropriate: please dispute each datum/paragraph w. counter arguments. Sufficient reliable references are presented. Please help with further improving the article. If you do not have time, I am sure other Wikipedians can contribute. Best regards MGTom  14:14, 2005 Feb 16 (UTC)
 * I confuted the Background events section. If no one disagrees, I will remove it in the next days.--Panairjdde 16:11, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Background

 * Thank you for giving interesting coments and additional information. The Background section is not very strong, I have deposited there material text on reorganisation. It may be better to spred any relevant information in other articles to which this may refer back. The part that realy needs additions (besides the lists of course) is the Aftermath, which is surprising. The working of the real world power play are fascinating. Colonial episodes may find a place elswhere; your presentation of usual practices may be used. MGTom 20:28, 2005 Feb 16 (UTC)

 * I changed the tag from long NPOV to cleanup, since this seems the matter. Accordin to my opinion, the Background section should be removed, since its contents are of no relevance to the article – the only relevant information is that Italy fought in WWII. It is necessary to fill the List of Italian war crimes (maybe Rab, Gonars, Ustje?), to explain what's inside the referenced documents, and so on. I really consider this article, in the current state, as a stub. --Panairjdde 09:24, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Rewrite
Rewrite of the article is needed, indeed. As noted above, the Background section may be eliminated by addition of references to such infromation in other articles.

The following quotation on the guiding principle of the Fascist policy may be a fitting motto (or one of the quotations) for one (or several) articles on the history of the Kingdom of Italy as a colonnial power & the policy on the "new" territories:

 * "Faced with an inferior and barbarous race such as the Slavs, one does not have to follow a policy that offers candies, but one of the stick. The borders of Italy should be the Brenner, Nevoso (Snežnik) and the Dinarides: I think that it is possible to sacrifice 500,000 barbarian Slavs for 50,000 Italians.""

(From a speach of the Fascist duce Benito Mussolini, later the Royal Italy's Prime Minister (1922 to 1943) in a speech in Pola/Pula (1920) and refers to the policy intended by the later ruling party for the area of Istria and on the Slovene national territory, in Italian) MGTom  20:35, 2005 Feb 20 (UTC)

What was said and how it materialised

 * Ok, but how this speech (1920) translated into war crimes (1944)? --Panairjdde 13:15, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Threough a histroic process of History of Italy. Mostly quite literally, finally also through Italian military instructions, such as the ill-famed Roatta's "3-C" CIRCOLARE   N.  3   C; 1° dicembre 1942-XXI°, see also in book form:

In letter: PUNTO VI° :   ALLE OFFESE DELL'AVVERSARIO SI DEVE REAGIRE PRONTAMENTE E NELLA FORMA PIU' DECISA E MASSICCIA POSSIBILE

- Il trattamento da fare ai partigiani non deve essere sintetizzato dalla formula: "dente per dente" ma bensì da quella "testa per dente".(etc.) In summary translation, the instructions read: not "tooth-for-tooth" but "head-for-tooth". And heads did roll, military or civillian. MGTom 22:18, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)
 * Ok, so I now repeat, how did these words translated into war crimes? Note that the non-military (I mean, civil formations, not soldiers) resitance is considered a military action behind enemy lines, and it can be punished with death.--Panairjdde 14:26, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Scope of article?
What is the scope of this article meant to be? There are several articles (German war crimes, Italian war crimes, Japanese war crimes, the recently-deleted Korean war crimes) that seem problematic to me for the same reason. The subject matter itself is clearly encyclopedic, and each incident should probably have its own article. But these articles are constructed as (ethnic group) + (type of heinous crime), tending to impugn the ethnic group as a whole. I don't think that's the goal, but it shows the need for a clearer focus. It would be fine to have articles about war crimes in a particular war, and perhaps for war crimes committed by a particular state actor (although these might be better as categories or lists). But there's no need to have an article about war crimes committed by members of any particular ethnic group, jumping across time periods and states. I suggest this article be made into a list or category, and renamed. --Amble (talk) 04:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest a move to "War crimes of Fascist Italy" to clarify the scope. --Amble (talk) 05:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Criteria for war crimes articles
Please comment here Talk:Japanese_war_crimes--Stor stark7 Speak 17:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Removal of most of article
Per WP:BURDEN, "[one] may remove any material lacking a reliable source that directly supports it". It notes that editors may disagree if time has been not allotted for finding such references; however, "per our rules it's not acceptable to simply blank sections" (User Catgut) is simply incorrect. Normally I would make such allowances, but there are several factors that meant I favoured the delete-and-discuss-if-readding-is-wanted approach: This all combined to create an article that was grossly in contradiction of Wikipedia's values and policies, breaking in all probability two of the five pillars, and in danger of defamation as well. I therefore defend my deletion. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 15:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The article has been in this state for at least a year, it is not under construction, or in a transition phase;
 * As noted above, there are no inline sources provided at all, although there are general references, rather than poor ones;
 * The article is on an incredibly controversial subject. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine a more controversial article than one covering allegations of the deliberate killings of thousands of people and their coverup;
 * The considerable other problems with the article. The incidents were not covered in an encyclopedic fashion, instead featured wild POV statements "resulting in a total annihilation of the human and animal inhabitants of the area" and what I imagine is a one-sided approach. The article also makes extraordinary claims against the Italian government, which whilst perhaps true (truth is not important), require much greater care. Indeed sections (eg. "Though neither the Italian...") may be inappropriate even when referenced.

I've made some suggestions in the following sections. I've made sure to use what I believe are very reliable and objective sources, including work done by Italian experts on the issue.

Justice and Reason (talk) 15:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I am agree with Justice, the material confirm what written...I do not understand why Grandiose try to deny the italian war crimes. The article should not be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.176.5.119 (talk) 16:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Please acquaint yourself with our core content policies, particularly verifiability: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. You may remove any material lacking a reliable source that directly supports it". Completely unsourced in terms of inline verification. There should be no exception in this case. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I think that the citations proposed by Justice confirm what he wrote. I also would like to underline another thing: despite what you italian war crimes are NOT controversial. There are so many sources on this topic that nobody can say it is something controversial. Italian war crimes are important like german, russian or japanese war crimes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.176.5.119 (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Report of the Slovene-Italian historical and cultural commission
There is a report called Slovene-Italian Relations 1880-1956 - Report of the Slovene-Italian historical and cultural commission, and I link to it here: http://www.kozina.com/premik/indexeng_porocilo.htm

There are 3 versions of the report: in Italian, Slovene and English. The report was finished in 2000. It is a highly objective report, written by both Slovene and Italian experts. The findings of the research done for the report were accepted by the commission unanimously.

I have read this report and I think it can be very useful for the purposes of this Wikipedia article.

Justice and Reason (talk) 00:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Attempts at reconciliation
Also of note are the relatively recent meetings between the Italian President Napolitano and Slovene and Croatian officials, with which they attempted to make steps towards conciliation. Here is some information about the first one, which took place in Trieste:

http://www.up-rs.si/up-rs/uprs-eng.nsf/dokumentiweb/1658A588FA9786D3C125776800518085?OpenDocument

And here is information from a later meeting of Napolitano and Josipović in Croatia:

http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/croatian-italian-leaders-honour-wwii-victims-2011-09-04-1.416526

Crimes in Ethiopia and Libya, and Fascist Legacy documentary
Here are some starting points as far as the crimes committed in Ethiopia and Libya are concerned.

Some useful links:

For Ethiopia: http://www.africanidea.org/Revisiting_fascistitaly.pdf

And Libya: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/25/libya-remembers-bombs-not-first

And here is a quality documentary on Fascist crimes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZT-9f-bIk

Here's the beginning of the documentary, with English dubs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acB9O1xR1TA

Justice and Reason (talk) 00:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

For anyone who speaks Italian
Here is a relevant site dealing with crimes committed by Italy: http://www.criminidiguerra.it/

It can be useful for this Wikipedia article.

Justice and Reason (talk) 00:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Comments on the above
It's one huge copyright violation as far as I am aware. You cannot copy things wholesale from another website. They have to be properly referenced, and constructed without close paraphrasing where possible. Also, you should consult the Manual of Style on formatting it properly (guideline). Consider also policy on self-published sources and Primary sources - in short, both should be avoided except in particular circumstances. For these reasons addition stands as currently inappropriate. Instead of posting the draft here, have you considered becoming autoconfirmed and creating it in userspace? Reading other articles will help you draft this one. Also, keep neutral point of view in mind - one independent of nationality, race, or other grounds. To that extent, it is verifiability not truth that is important. Thanks, Grandiose (me, talk, contribs)

Thanks for the advice. I will remove the draft for the time being.

As far as the neutral point of view and verifiability is concerned:

1.For the part on Yugoslavia, I mostly used the report of the Slovene-Italian Historical Commission. It was set up in 1993 by the governments of Slovenia and Italy, with the purpose of clarifying and resolving problematic issues. The commission included experts from both countries who worked for 7 years on the topic. They had several meetings, and eventually reached a unanimous decision on the common findings of the report. I think that's about as neutral and reliable as it gets.

2.As for Ethiopia (and a bit for Libya), I used a BBC documentary in which, among others, two Italian professors who are experts on the subject were interviewed. Various state archives were used for the making of the documentary as well.

Justice and Reason (talk) 19:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

SYNTH
Nor content neither title of article meet the criteria for SYNTH as claimed in this edit by Joy [shallot] (talk)

In: A1 (war crimes in Ethiopia) and A2 (in Greece) and A3 (in Slovenia), therefore a series of Crimes exist, the conclusion C is not synthesised from "A"s, but is itself independently sourced. See Effie Pedaliu (2004): Britain and the ‘Hand-Over’ of Italian War Criminals to Yugoslavia, 1945–48, Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 39, No. 4, 503-529 (JStor.org preview) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DancingPhilosopher (talk • contribs) 3 April 2012

 * Who posted this? Since there is neither a User ID nor an IP addy, I'm thinking the poster has been blocked/deleted? HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:01, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Fixed signature, and heading. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

 * As I wrote in March, this needs to be reworked per period/administration, to avoid WP:SYNTH and generalized title. There are Italian war crimes in this war, that war, that other period, etc. Describing the World War II right in the lead section under such an overly broad title may lead the reader to believe that there is such a thing as an "Italian war crime", as a notion in and of itself, which there isn't. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Fixed now. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

as it stands, this article is CRAP - and that's being kind
Full of Synth, and OR - very, VERY poorly cited, bad grammar, major violations of NPOV. The whole thing needs a rewrite, as this is an important topic, and shouldn't be reduced to writing such as exists right now in the lead - good grief. HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Maybe someone should just translate the Italian version from the Italian Wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimini_di_guerra_italiani

Unfortunately, I don't know Italian so I can't do it. I also see it's been tagged NPOV but I don't know why, of course. Any Italian speakers here?

Justice and Reason (talk) 00:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I recommend this for inclusion
As far as crimes against Slovenes are concerned, I think that parts of the 'Report of the Slovene-Italian historical and cultural commission' should be included: http://www.kozina.com/premik/indexeng_porocilo.htm

For example, this could be included, in one way or another, in a summarized way:

"2. The destruction of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was accompanied not only by the fragmentation of the state, but also of Slovenia: a nation of one and a half million people, which was divided among Germany, Italy and Hungary, and which was under threat of becoming extinct, therefore Slovenes decided to fight against the occupying forces.

Italy's attack on Yugoslavia was the peak of the long-term fascist and imperialist policy directed at the Balkans and the Danube Basin. Contrary to the provision of military law, which does not allow for annexation of a territory occupied by military force before a peace treaty has been signed, Italy annexed the Ljubljana Province to the Monarchy. About 350,000 inhabitants of the Ljubljana Province were granted national and cultural autonomy by a statute; however the occupying forces were determined to achieve fast integration of the country into the Italian fascist system and to subordinate its institutions and organisations to their Italian counterparts. Influenced by the political, cultural and economic attraction of Italy, the local population were to be gradually made fascist and italianised. At first, the fascist occupier was confident that Slovenes would be subjugated by the supposed superiority of Italian culture, therefore the Italian occupation policy was milder at the beginning.

At first, Slovenes saw a lesser evil in the Italian occupation regime compared to Nazism, therefore some political forces collaborated with Italians, although they did not welcome Fascism. After initial uncertainty, the majority of Slovenes trusted in the victory of the Allied Forces and saw the future of the Slovene nation in the anti-fascist coalition camp. Furthermore, two basic strategic views had been formed among the Slovene political factors. The first was a demand for immediate resistance against the occupier, advocated by the Liberation Front. The latter formed the first partisan units and started with military operations against the occupying forces. The response of the liberation movement to the Italian plans for cultural cooperation was "cultural silence". Members of all social classes regardless of their political and ideological beliefs joined the Liberation Front. Another option was entertained by the representatives of liberal and conservative parties, who directed Slovenes towards gradual illegal preparations for liberation and the settlement of accounts with the occupier at the end of the war. It is certain that the Liberation Front and the opposing camp headed by the London-based royal emigrant government had the common goal of establishing a United Slovenia, which was to include, within the scope of the Yugoslav federation, all regions which were considered to be Slovene.

3. As a response to the increasing success of partisan fighting and strong opposition of the population against the occupier, Mussolini transferred competence from civilian authorities to military commands, so that the latter could introduce brutal repression. The occupation regime was based on violence expressed by various prohibitions, deportations to, confinement and internment in many camps all over Italy (Rab, Gonars and Renicci), in proceedings before military courts, confiscation and destruction of property, burning down of homes and villages. There were thousands of dead: fallen in battle, sentenced to death, shot as hostages, killed as civilians. About 30,000 people, mostly civilians, women and children, were deported to concentration camps. Many of them died of suffering. Plans were made for a mass deportation of Slovenes from the Ljubljana Province. The violence reached its peak during the four-month Italian military offensive launched by the Italian occupying forces in the summer of 1942 in order to regain control over the entire province.

In the spirit of the "divide and rule" policy, the Italian authorities supported the Slovene anti-Communist forces, in particular Catholic political forces, which at that time, out of fear from a communist revolution, considered the partisan movement to be a greater threat and thus agreed to collaborate. As a result, MVAC ("village guards") were formed, which were organised by Italian commands into voluntary anti-Communist militia and engaged successfully in the fight against the partisans, although they were not trusted completely by Italians.

4. The struggle for liberation soon spread from the Ljubljana Province among the Slovene population on the Littoral, who had lived under Italian rule for a quarter of a century. Thus, the issue of national affiliation of the greater part of this territory was reopened, revealing not only the total inefficiency of the fascist regime policy towards Slovenes, but also the general defeat of Italian policy on the eastern border. Already at the beginning of the war, the authorities had adopted a series of precautionary measures against the Slovene population on the Littoral: internment and confinement of leading personalities, mobilisation of national conscripts in special battalions, removal of population along the borders, death sentences, pronounced by a special tribunal for the protection of the state at the Second Trieste Trials.

The liberation struggle headed by the Communist Party was welcomed in particular by the Slovenes from the Littoral, since it accepted their insistent national claims for uniting with Yugoslavia the entire territory populated by Slovenes, including the towns populated mostly by Italians. Thus, the Communist Party of Slovenia secured the leading role in the mass movement and, due to armed struggle, also the chance to carry out both national liberation and social revolution.

In suppressing the liberation movement, the Italian authorities used similar repressive methods as in the Ljubljana Province, including burning down villages and shooting civilians. For this purpose, a Special Inspectorate for Public Safety and two new army corps of the Italian army were established. Thus, military operations also spread to the territory of the Italian state.

http://www.kozina.com/premik/poreng4.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice and Reason (talk • contribs) 17:16, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Mussolini's crimes in Spain
I think the repeated bombings of Barcelona should be included under Mussolini's crimes. Thousands of civilians were killed. Pistolpierre (talk) 20:28, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Rummel is unreliable source for Yugoslavia
As noted in this article, R.J. Rummel is an unreliable source for victim number estimates in Yugoslavia. His estimates are way off compared to other, much more widely cited demographic estimates, such as those by Vladimir Zerjavic, Slovene scholars estimate more victims of Italian forces in just Ljubljana Province, with only 330,000 inhabitants, or only 10% or less of the population in all Italian occupied and annexed territory across Yugoslavia. That is why I deleted the sentence referring to Rummel Thhhommmasss (talk) 17:55, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. jni 09:59, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vomitcore
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 * Delete - what's the point of copying something, re-naming it and then bragging about it with a dumb band name??! Other than that it's totally un-encyclopedic and not notable due to them being a "local band" - and possibly not even that well known. Selphie 10:14, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC) *blah*
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Xuefei Yang

Xuefei Yang (born March 15, 1977) is a Chinese classical guitarist.

Early years
Yang was born in Beijing in 1977, and began playing the guitar when she was seven. Three years later, she started studying under Chen Zhi, the Chairman of the China Classical Guitar Society. She made a public debut at the First China International Guitar Festival. At her debut, Masaru Kohno presented her a guitar, Pepe by Aria; it was her first foreign-made guitar. She won second prize at the Beijing Senior Guitar competition when she was eleven.

In her youth, Yang played extensively in China, Hong Kong, Macau, Spain, and Australia, and giving concert tours in Taiwan, Japan and Portugal. At twelve, she played in Tokyo for the first time, and was given a special award by the Guitar Alliance of Japan. Masaru Kohno took Yang to his studio and asked her to take any guitar with her. She played the Kohno guitar, made of cedar and jacaranda, regularly over the next five years. During her Madrid debut at age 14, the composer Joaquín Rodrigo was in the audience; in 1995, after John Williams listened to her performance in Beijing, he was so impressed that he loaned two of his own Greg Smallman guitars to her conservatory, for her and other top students to play.

Further education
After completing her secondary schooling, Yang completed her studies in Beijing, becoming the first guitarist to enter a music school in China, and obtaining a Bachelor of Arts from the Central Conservatory of Music. She was the first guitarist from China to study in the United Kingdom and the first guitarist to receive an international scholarship from the Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music for her postgraduate programme at the Royal Academy of Music in London.

She moved to London in 2000, studying under Michael Lewin, John Mills and Timothy Walker and performing at many solo recitals and concert performances in the UK and Europe. She graduated with distinction in 2002, achieving a Recital Diploma and receiving the Royal Academy of Music Principal's prize for exceptional all-round studentship.

Awards
Yang has won numerous prizes in music competitions including the Stotsenberg International Classical Guitar Competition, the San Francisco International Guitar Competition and the Young Concert Artist International competition in the United States, and the Darwin International Guitar Competition in Australia. She was awarded first prize in the Ivor Mairants Guitar Award by the City of London's Worshipful Company of Musicians, and won the Dorothy Grinstead Prize for a recital at Fairfield Hall, Croydon.

Performances
Yang has performed in the United Kingdom, the U.S., Germany, France, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Finland, Australia, China, Japan and Singapore. Concert appearances have included playing Rodrigo's Fantasía para un gentilhombre with the BBC Concert Orchestra and Concierto de Aranjuez with the Royal Academy of Music Symphony Orchestra at Duke's Hall. She has featured on radio as part of the BBC Proms London Composer Portrait series, and performed at 54 concerts for the "Night of the Proms Tour" in 2003/2004. In January 2011 she appeared in Ireland for the first time, at the National Concert Hall in Dublin.

Recordings
Si Ji (Four Seasons) contains a number of compositions by Chinese composers, some of which imitate the sounds of traditional Chinese musical instruments. Romance de Amor comprises primarily Spanish repertoire.

Reception

 * "It was great to hear you play! I wish you every success in future and hope you will have the opportunity you very much deserve to play in many countries." (John Williams, 1995)
 * "The enthusiastic reviews that have appeared in the press about this far-eastern prodigy do not seem in the slightest exaggerated after hearing this concert. Xuefei Yang is already among the best guitarists in the world." (Badische Zeitung, 9 July 2002)
 * "…she left the audience completely enraptured." (Oberbadisches Volksblatt, 9 July 2002)
 * "But the star of the evening was the Chinese guitarist Xuefei Yang. In Xiaoyong Chen’s Static and Rotation she turned sweet, chiming overtones into a wild sound like a hailstorm on a window. And, playing with similar brilliance in Robert Saxton’s Night Dance, Timothy Salter’s Equipoise premiere and Britten's Nocturnal after John Dowland, Yang’s easeful virtuosity won the day." (Matthew Connolly, The Times, January 14, 2003)

Discography

 * Classical Guitar by Xuefei Yang, 1999 (先恒, Xianheng Nanjing)
 * Si Ji (Four Seasons), 2005 (GSP)
 * Romance de Amor, 2006 (EMI)
 * 40 Degrees North, 2008 (EMI)
 * Concierto de Aranjuez, 2010 (EMI), with Barcelona Symphony Orchestra and National Orchestra of Catalonia
 * J.S.Bach: Concertos & Transcriptions, 2012 (EMI), with Elias String Quartet
 * Britten Songs, 2013 (EMI), with Ian Bostridge
 * Sojourn - The Very Best of Xuefei Yang, 2013 (Warner), with Elias String Quartet
 * Heartstrings, 2015 (Decca/Universal)
 * Colours of Brazil, 2016 (Decca/Universal)
 * Songs from Our Ancestors, 2016 (Globe Music), with Ian Bostridge
 * Milonga Del Angel, 2018 (Deutsche Grammophon), with Mengla Huang
 * One Day in November (EP), 2019 (Apple Music)
 * Sketches of China, 2020 (Decca/Universal), with Xiamen Philharmonic Orchestra, Weiliang Zhang, Sha Yuan
 * Summertime (EP), 2021 (Apple Music)
 * Winter Songs (EP), 2021 (Apple Music)
 * Magna Carta: The Complete Works for Guitar and Orchestra of John Brunning, 2022 (Prima Facie), with Royal Liverpool Philharmonic
 * Guitar Favourites, 2022 (Decca/Universal)
 * Striking a Chord, 2022 (Warner)
 * X Culture (Digital Album), 2023 (Apple Music)

Interviews

 * Xuefei Yang Interview Feb 21, 2007 (Classical Guitar Alive!) mp3
 * Interviews (www.xuefeiyang.com)

Audio and video

 * Audio/video page from Xuefei Yang official site

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Voncello
Stage name of an artist who allegedly introduced the cello as a rock instrument. I thought Apocalyptica did that? Radiant! 10:08, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)


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KJ-52

Jonah Kirsten Sorrentino (born June 26, 1975), better known by his stage name KJ-52, is a Christian rapper from Tampa, Florida. The "KJ" part of his name refers to his old rap alias, "King J. Mac," a name which he later described in one of his podcasts as "horribly cheesy." "52", which is pronounced "five two", not "fifty-two", is a reference to the Biblical story of Jesus feeding the multitude with five loaves and two fish, which is also sung about in his song "Push Up" from The Yearbook and in the "KJ Five Two" on It's Pronounced Five Two. He was awarded the Rap/Hip Hop Recorded Song of the Year for "Never Look Away" and Rap/Hip Hop Album of the Year at the GMA Dove Awards of 2007. On July 28, 2009, KJ-52 released "End of My Rope", which is the first single for his album Five-Two Television.

Works
In 2002, Sorrentino released his second album, Collaborations. The album's title referred to the numerous contributions made to the album by guest artists, including Pillar, John Reuben and Thousand Foot Krutch. Collaborations also represented his first nomination for a Dove Award, for "Rap/Hip Hop/Dance Album of the Year" in 2003.

KJ-52 has won four Dove Awards, three in the "Rap/Hip Hop Album of the Year" category. He took the 2004 award for It’s Pronounced Five Two, the 2006 award for Behind the Musik (A Boy Named Jonah), and the 2007 award for Remixed. He received an additional honor in 2007, for "Never Look Away" from Behind the Musik, in the "Rap/Hip Hop Recorded Song" category. KJ never tried out for American Idol, but suggested such in his song "Fivetweezy".

In October 2008, he released his album, The Yearbook: The Missing Pages, a re-release of his album, The Yearbook. It comes with the original record with a slip over cover that has a code to download the 13 songs.

2009 Dove Awards Another productive year for KJ-52 as he was awarded with "Rap/Hip Hop Song of the Year" for "Do Yo Thang"; The Yearbook; KJ-52; Jonah Sorrentino; BEC Recordings/Uprok

In 2009, he released "Five-Two Television", an album covering a variety of themes and rap styles. It is his first album in which autotune is used, a controversial step among his fans. The album brings us the (fictitious) story of Chris Carlino, a man who has ruined his life, through a series of interludes. As usual for KJ-52, the album includes both songs with a strong Christian message and songs that are meant only to entertain.

KJ-52 also rapped in the Newsboys cover of "Jesus Freak".

KJ-52 also rapped in the tobyMac remix of the song "One World" on the album Hip-Hope which also includes the KJ-52 remixed song "What You Want".

KJ-52 released Dangerous on April 3, 2012. It mixes hip hop album with quite a bit of synth, and has some pop-electric. The first released single, "Dangerous", is more light rock-pop. The second single is called "Shake Em Up", but is commonly spelled "Shakem Up". It features guest artists such as Canton Jones on "It's Goin Down", Lecrae on "They Like Me", Thi'sl on "Shake Em Up", George Moss on "Do the Bill Cosby", and more. His final track, "Go," is a remake of the Hillsong United song with the same name.

In 2017, KJ-52 released his first independent album "Jonah." The project was over 200% funded through Pledge Music. Following the release of the album, KJ-52 began working on an independent documentary about his life with filmmaker Denver Bailey. The film went on to raise 125% of the goal through kickstarter. The film was released alongside KJ-52's second independent album titled "Jonah Pt. 2" on February 15, 2018.

In 2019, KJ-52 released What Happened Was, a joint album with CHH producer and 2019 Rapzilla Freshman, PoetiCS. The album features Xay Hill, Jodie Jermaine, Mitch Darrell, V. Rose, Dre Murray, and Dru Bex. The project was coupled with KJ's first book, also titled What Happened Was. Both the album and the book were over 170% funded through Kickstarter.

On November 5, 2019, KJ-52 announced that he would be retiring from music after the release of his next album.

As of January 6, 2020, he joined the pastoral staff of Christian Life Fellowship in Cape Coral, Florida.

He has been married since June 1996. They have three children.

Eminem and "Dear Slim" controversy
Christian sources often compared KJ-52 to Eminem, with many calling him a "Christian counterpart". One of the most notable mainstream reactions to the Christian hip hop scene was to KJ-52 and his single "Dear Slim", which was written to Eminem in an attempt to reach him with the message of the gospel. The song became famous and controversial among Eminem fans when it was featured on the hit show Total Request Live. KJ-52 began to receive hate mail (including death threats) from Eminem's fans, though KJ-52 claimed that the song was not being disrespectful. The artist addressed it in a follow-up song titled "Dear Slim Pt. 2".

Side projects and other releases

 * Peace of Mind's self-titled album (2003, BEC)
 * Soul Purpose with T.C. (Todd Collins) (2004, BEC)
 * KJ-52 Remixed (2006, BEC)
 * The Office Prequel Mixtape (2009)
 * Guest rap on "Jesus Freak" for the Newsboys' 2010 album Born Again

Guest appearances

 * Jeremiah Dirt – Plague – "Good Medison" (1998)
 * Urban D. – The Missin' Element – "The Spittin' Spot" (1999)
 * Urban D. – The Tranzlation – "We Go Together Like" (2001)
 * Pillar - Fireproof - "Stay Up" (2002)
 * Bobby Bishop – Government Name – "Change the Game" (2005)
 * Zoegirl - With All Of My Heart - Mix of Life (2007)
 * tobyMac – Hip Hope Hits 2009 – "One World (Liquid Remix)" (2009)
 * R-Swift – Anthem – "Flava of Forever" (2009)
 * Newsboys – Born Again – "Jesus Freak" (2010)
 * Sean Slaughter – The Prototype – "I'm Gone" (2010)
 * big AL – The Balancing Act – "Lookin' @ Us" (2011)
 * muzeONE – Cold War – "Lights On" (2011)
 * Research – Cerca Trova – "The Struggle" (2011)
 * Jai – Culture Shock – "Incredible (Remix)" (2011)
 * The Ambassador – Stop the Funeral – "Your Love" (2011)
 * Canton Jones – The Live Experience – "I Am (Live)" (2012)
 * E Tizz – What I Gotta Say – "I'm Tellin' 'Em All" (2012)
 * Rawsrvnt – Love Deluxe – "Jesus Jam" (2012)
 * Emcee One – Introducing Again for the First Time – "Introducing Again for the First Time" (2012)
 * Viktory – R4 (Relentless 4ever) – "God Is Amazing" (2012)
 * George Moss – It’s Time – "Ridin' Windows Up" (2012)
 * Lincoln Brewster – Joy to the World (A Christmas Collection) – "Little Drummer Boy" (2012)
 * For a Season – Lion Hearted – EP – "Let It Out" (2013)
 * V. Rose – Electro-Pop (Deluxe) – "Turn Up Your Light" (2013)
 * Turnaround – Anxious – "Ghost Town" (2018)

Awards
GMA Dove Awards

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keane, Inc.

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Keane, Inc.
Corporate advertising. I can't start to rewrite it as something other than advertising, as I don't understand any content: it's a series of vaguely uplifting but meaningless clichés. -- Hoary 10:08, 2005 Feb 16 (UTC)
 * Concur. Delete. Suspected copyvio for the logo, btw. Radiant! 10:27, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete easy one. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 14:49, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trilobite (Talk) 14:56, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe the subject is notable: Stock traded on a major exchange, multi-national presence, a player (possibly a significant one) in the current controversial trend to move US corporate back-office jobs overseas, in multiple industries, and listed as one of the top 100 US prime federal contractors. That said, the current content appears to be unsalvagable, so Delete unless rewritten in encylopedic manner. Niteowlneils 16:13, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * If it passes copyvio, keep. Anyone can cleanup.  Rossami (talk) 16:25, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a copy of what is on every corporate press release. I'm unsure of the copyright status of press releases, but I'm reasonably sure that whatever licence they are published under isn't GFDL compatible.  I've listed it at WP:CP. Uncle G 17:20, 2005 Feb 16 (UTC)
 * Delete.  It is advertising/corporate vanity. Most high-school student vanity is better written than this.   The company is notable. But copyvio or not, we shouldn't allow corporate employees to post articles written in insufferable corporate-speak rather than English -- which someone else is then obliged to cleanup.   If they want an encyclopedia article about themselves, they should write an encyclopedia article not cut-and-paste their press release or puffery from their annual report.     Remove it and let someone else start from scatch.   --BM 18:52, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Corporate vanity. Katefan0 22:06, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, advertisment, vanity. Megan1967 08:47, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The article has been completely rewritten and has been submitted only as a stub. The page was not created for advertising purposes. It was noticed that when one searches for Gurgaon, Keane is mentioned in the text of the Gurgaon submission. But the internal link directs the user to the British rock Band (music)band Keane! Since, Keane is being referred as to the IT company based in Gurgaon in India and not the rock band Keane, therefore, it was felt that a page for Keane, Inc. (the IT company) should be created. Hope this clarifies. Keane, Inc.
 * Delete. ComCat 02:30, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Paternoster, South Africa

Paternoster (pronounced ) is one of the oldest fishing villages on the West Coast of South Africa. It is situated 15 km north-west of Vredenburg and 145 km north of Cape Town, at Cape Columbine between Saldanha Bay and St Helena Bay. The town covers an area of 194.8 hectare and has approximately 1883 inhabitants.

The origin of the name remains unknown. Many people believe that the name, which means ‘Our Father’ in Latin, refers to prayers said by Catholic Portuguese seamen when they became shipwrecked. It appears as St. Martins Paternoster on an old map of Pieter Mortier so the name may be derived from Paternoster Row in the City of London which is adjacent to St. Martins Court. Other people believe it refers to the beads that the Khoi tribe wore that were called Paternosters.

Economy and tourism
Paternoster is a tourist destination and is known for lobster and the white-washed fishermen's cottages. The coastline consists of jagged cliffs, white boulders and beaches stretch along the West Coast of South Africa. The town boast many hotels and guest houses. They cater for couples to families, from luxury to self catering accommodation. Paternoster has many top restaurants serving the best cuisine and also has one of the world's best restaurants called Wolfgat.

The area is a pillar in the South African commercial fishing industry. The town itself has a lobster factory and a newly erected Kabeljou farm, whilst the local people catch and sell herring, or draw mussels from the rocks. In the greater area are several more commercial activities, including deep sea fishing, snoek catching, abalone farming, oyster farming, canning of pilchards and mussel farming. The oyster farm in the lagoon of the neighbouring town of Langebaan is currently the largest in South Africa. The West Coast rock lobster Jasus lalandii was enjoyed by the first Portuguese navigators. By 1902 a full-blown lobster industry was in operation, canning and exporting lobster to France in particular. The West Coast lobster industry generates millions each year and employs large numbers of the local people.

In the 1930s the first Redro factory was erected in Paternoster. Redro fish paste was developed by the Stephan family in an effort to compete with the already popular Peck's Anchovette of Britain. It flew off the shelves when first released and enjoyed nearly three decades of uncompromising sole monopoly in the savoury spread market and is now owned by Pioneer Food Group.

The Cape Bokkoms has been well known in this region and has been a cheap and practical source of protein for centuries. The unique method of preparing and drying fish has grown with leaps and bounds, often for export, in response to the growing demand for the product from South Africa.

Climate
The climate is mostly known for its infrequent rainfall, dry countryside and high offshore winds. The area receives most of its rainfall during winter and has a Mediterranean climate. The climate supports the growth of the wild flowers that the West Coast is known for.

Activities in the area

 * The area has an array of interesting sea life and wildlife to observe. Activities include whale, dolphin, seal and penguin watching as well as bird watching with over 225 bird species in the area.
 * Sporting activities range from kayaking, kitesurfing, snorkelling, scuba diving, kite flying, hiking, and for the brave – swimming in the cold West Coast water!
 * During spring the area is transformed into a floral paradise, with wild flowers growing everywhere forming the South-Western fringe of the famous flower carpets of Namaqualand.
 * Visitors can pay a visit to the Cape Columbine nature reserve. The reserve covers an area of 263 hectare along the rocky stretch of coastline. The bay, which is part of the reserve, has many picnic spots and braai facilities.
 * Cape Columbine light house is the last manually controlled lighthouse in South Africa. The lighthouse was built in 1936 on Castle Rock. The light cast a beam which is visible from about 50 km and is usually the first South African lighthouse seen by ships coming from Europe.

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Mike Farnworth

Michael C. Farnworth (born July 23, 1959) is a Canadian politician who has served as the 15th and current deputy premier of British Columbia since 2021, and the minister of public safety and solicitor general since 2017. A member of the British Columbia New Democratic Party (BC NDP), Farnworth represents the riding of Port Coquitlam in the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, where he is the NDP's house leader, and the dean of the Legislative Assembly.

Background
Born in Bebington, England, Farnworth was raised in Port Coquitlam, British Columbia. He attended Simon Fraser University, earning a bachelor's degree in geography. Prior to entering elected office, Farnworth worked at CP Rail, Gulf Oil, and Mount Isa Mines.

Farnworth has publicly acknowledged that he is gay. He has had a relationship with his partner, Doug, for over twenty five years.

Political career
After serving three terms on Port Coquitlam City Council and working for Port Moody—Coquitlam Member of Parliament Ian Waddell, Farnworth ran for the BC NDP in the 1991 provincial election, in which he was first elected Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) for Port Coquitlam.

He was re-elected in 1996, and was appointed Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing by Premier Glen Clark in January 1997, before becoming Minister of Employment and Investment and Minister Responsible for Housing in 1998. Under Premier Ujjal Dosanjh, Farnworth was named Minister of Health and Minister Responsible for Seniors in February 2000, before becoming Minister of Social Development and Economic Security in November that year.

He ran in the redistributed riding of Port Coquitlam-Burke Mountain in 2001, but lost his seat amidst the party's province-wide wipeout. Following the election, Farnworth worked in the Balkans and Iraq for the U.S.-based National Democratic Institute.

In the 2005 B.C. general election, Farnworth sought to take back his old seat, defeating the one-term Liberal Party incumbent Karn Manhas, and winning the riding with 11,844 votes (48.14% of valid votes). In 2009, he was re-elected to his fourth term in the recreated riding of Port Coquitlam with 54.71% of valid votes. He then ran in the 2011 NDP leadership election to replace outgoing leader Carole James; he lost to Adrian Dix after three rounds of voting.

Farnworth was returned to the legislature in the 2013 B.C. general election with more than half of the riding's popular vote, but the BC NDP lost the election despite favourable opinion polls leading up to the vote. Following Dix's resignation as party leader in September 2013, both Farnworth and John Horgan formally announced their candidacies for the post in March 2014. With a significant number of NDP MLAs backing Horgan (including Dawn Black, Joe Trasolini and Fin Donnelly, all figures from Farnworth's own Tri-Cities area ), Farnworth withdrew from the leadership race in April, leaving Horgan the sole candidate. After the deadline for nominations passed on May 1, Horgan was acclaimed leader of the BC NDP, and appointed Farnworth as opposition house leader.

Farnworth was re-elected MLA in the 2017 B.C. general election with more than 55% of the vote. In the subsequent NDP minority government, Farnworth was appointed Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General. He retained the same cabinet posts in the NDP majority government following his re-election in 2020.

On October 28, 2021, Farnworth was appointed Deputy Premier of British Columbia by Premier John Horgan, in the wake of an announcement that Horgan was to undergo throat surgery on October 29. When Horgan stepped down as premier and was succeeded by David Eby, Farnworth retained his portfolios in Eby's cabinet.

While in Eby's cabinet, Farnworth has attempted to pass Bill 34, the Restricting Public Consumption Act. It is currently facing a Charter challenge from the Harm Reduction Nurses Association (HRNA). Farnworth has stated, “We recognize that vulnerable and/or unhoused people often do not have many reasonable options for places to consume drugs, particularly in places that do not yet have adequate overdose prevention services, and our government is exploring how the regulations may address the impact of the legislation on this population,” but the BC NDP attempted unsuccessfully to appeal the legal challenge regardless

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Mátyás Seiber

Mátyás György Seiber (, sometimes given as Matthis Seyber; 4 May 1905 – 24 September 1960) was a Hungarian-born British composer who lived and worked in the United Kingdom from 1935 onwards. His work linked many diverse musical influences, from the Hungarian tradition of Bartók and Kodály, to Schoenberg and serial music, to jazz, folk song, and lighter music.

Early life
Seiber was born in Budapest. His mother, Berta Patay was a reputed pianist and teacher, so the young Seiber gained considerable skill with that instrument first. At the age of ten, he began to learn to play the cello. After attending grammar school, where he was regarded as "outstanding" in mathematics and Latin according to the almanacs of the Franz Liszt Academy of Music, he studied the cello and composition from 1918 to 1925, and composition with Zoltán Kodály from 1921 to 1925. For his degree, he wrote his String Quartet No. 1 (in A minor). Pieces composed at this time, such as the Serenade for Six Wind Instruments of 1925, show him combining traditional Hungarian folk tunes with the forms of Western art music. He toured Hungary with Zoltán Kodály, collecting folk songs, and built on the research of Kodály and Béla Bartók. He also developed an interest in medieval plainchant.

Career
In 1925, Seiber accepted a teaching position at a private music school. In 1926, he took a position to play the cello in the orchestra of a ship from to North and South America. This was where he became acquainted with jazz.

In 1928 he became director of the jazz department at the Hoch Conservatory in Frankfurt, which offered the first academic jazz courses anywhere. His text book Schule für Jazz-Schlagzeug was written in 1929, as a practical summary of his theoretical requirements. Two of his articles of great importance were published in the journal Melos: "Jazz als Erziehungsmittel" (1928) and "Jazz-Instrumente, Jazz-Klang und Neue Musik" (1930). After the jazz department was closed by the Nazis in 1933, Seiber left Germany.

He returned to Hungary but did not settle there; he accepted a position of music referent in the Soviet Union for two years, but his employment was ended after that.

Seiber emigrated to England in 1935 and settled in London, after his marriage in Caterham, Surrey at 169 Stafford Road. He only became a British citizen after the war. Seiber taught composition and cello privately while working as a consultant for the subsidiary of Schott in London and composed film music. Michael Tippett invited him to be a professor of composition at Morley College in London, and from 1942 he was on the staff there; he became a teacher of composition, music aesthetics, and music theory. His many students included Don Banks, John Exton, Peter Racine Fricker, Anthony Gilbert, Stanley Glasser, Michael Graubart, Barry Gray, Karel Janovický, Malcolm Lipkin, John McCarthy, John Meyer, Anthony Milner, Wally Stott (who later became Angela Morley) and Hugh Wood. During this period, he created and trained his choir, the Dorian Singers.

His friendships and work associations embraced many soloists, including Tibor Varga, Dennis Brain, Norbert Brainin, guitarists Julian Bream and John Williams, percussionist Jimmy Blades, folk singer Bert Lloyd, Max Rostal and tenor Peter Pears.

He was a founder member of the Society for Promotion of New Music, actively promoting new music throughout his life. He was married to ballet dancer Lilla Bauer (1912–2011), another Hungarian émigré. In 1960 he was invited to do a lecture tour in South Africa, but he died there in Kruger National Park as the result of a car accident. Kodály dedicated his choral work titled Media vita in morte sumus to the memory of his former student.

Music
Seiber's music is eclectic in style, showing the influences of Bartók, Kodály, Schoenberg, serialism, jazz, and Hungarian folk song, and his output includes film and lighter music. Often, individual pieces use a combination of these influences. For instance, the two Jazzolettes for wind and percussion (1929 and 1932, composed in Frankfurt) make liberal use of jazz effects and rhythms that displace the bar lines, but also show his first explorations of twelve-note techniques. His wartime, Fantasia concertante for violin and orchestra, premiered in 1945 and recorded by Andre Gertler, and the later work Permutationi a Cinque (1948) for wind ensemble, illustrate Seiber's very free use of serialism. Permutationi a Cinque explicitly uses permutations of motifs that eventually come together to reveal a twelve-tone series - but it is all done with lightness and humour.

Seiber's vocal output includes the large scale cantata Ulysses (1947) on words by James Joyce, another Joyce-related work, Three Fragments from "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man", and choral arrangements of Hungarian and Yugoslav folk songs. He also wrote one opera, Eva spielt mit Puppen (1934), and the ballet The Invitation. Other works include the two orchestral Besardo suites, a clarinet concertino, three strings quartets, and scores to animated films produced by Halas & Batchelor, including Animal Farm (1954). The substantial Sonata for violin and piano, a commission for the Cheltenham Festival, was completed just before his death in 1960.

Two comic operas, A Palágyi Pekek and Balaton, were composed for the Hungarian theatre in London, the "Londoni Pódium". A Palágyi Pékek, (libretto, György Mikes) (1943), was the first collaboration of Mátyás Seiber and George Mikes. Balaton, (libretto, György Mikes) (1944), as George Mikes has reported, was aired during the war by the BBC and, after the end of the war even made it to Budapest. A setting of the Scottish "poet and tragedian" William McGonagall's work, The Famous Tay Whale was written for the second of Gerard Hoffnung's music festivals in 1958.

Seiber used a pseudonym for his jazz works and popular music: G. S. Mathis or George Mathis (a rearrangement of his name using Anglicised forms); under this name, he wrote for John Dankworth, most notably 1959's Improvisations for Jazz Band and Orchestra. In 1956 he was awarded the inaugural Ivor Novello award for Best Song Musically and Lyrically for "By the Fountains of Rome," which was a hit that year in the UK Single Charts, making it to the Top Twenty. (The lyrics were by Norman Newell, and it was sung by David Hughes).

Compositions (selected)
Seiber's compositions at Schott Music and the British Library.

Orchestral

 * Sinfonietta for string orchestra (1925/1964) (from String Quartet No. 1, transcribed for string orchestra by Antal Doráti; Schott)
 * Besardo-Suite No. 1 (1940)
 * Besardo-Suite No. 2 for strings (1942; 14 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Fantasia concertante for violin and string orchestra (1943; 17 mins.; Ars Viva Verlag, Mainz; Schott; BL)
 * Notturno for horn and string orchestra (1944) (8.5 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Concertino for clarinet and string orchestra (1951; 15 mins.; Schott)
 * Elegy for viola and small orchestra (1954; 8 mins.; Schott)
 * Tre Pezzi for cello and orchestra (1957; 20 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Improvisations for jazzband and orchestra (with John Dankworth) (1959; 10 min.; Schott; BL)

Instrumental and chamber music

 * Divertimento for clarinet and string Quartet (1925; Schott)
 * Serenade for six wind instruments (1925; Wilhelm Hansen, Copenhagen; BL)
 * String Quartet No. 1 (1925; 18 mins.; BL)
 * Two Jazzolettes for 2 saxophones, trumpet, trombone, piano, bass, and drums (1929 and 1932; Wilhelm Hansen, Copenhagen; BL)
 * String Quartet No. 2 (1935; 22 mins.; BL)
 * Sonata da Camera (ca. 1948, 15 mins.)
 * String Quartet No. 3, Quartetto lirico (1951; 23 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Concert Piece for violin and piano (1954; 8 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Fantasia per flauto, corno e quartetto d'archi (1956; Edizioni Suvini Zerboni, Milano)
 * Permutazioni a Cinque for wind quintet (1958; 6.5 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Sonata for violin and piano (1960; 20 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Introduction and Allegro, originally cello and accordion, arranged for clarinet, cello and piano (Schott)

Vocal works with orchestra

 * Ulysses, cantata for tenor, mixed chorus and orchestra (1947; 45 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Cantata Secularis: the Four Seasons for mixed choir and orchestra (text from Carmina Burana) (1949-1952; 20 mins.; Schott; BL)
 * Three Fragments from "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce: chamber cantata for speaker, mixed choir and instrumental ensemble (18 mins.; Schott; BL)

A cappella choral music

 * Missa Brevis (1924, revised 1950; 14 mins.; Curwen; BL)
 * Three Nonsense Songs (lyrics by Edward Lear; 1956)

Songs for solo voice/choral and accompaniment

 * Three Morgenstern Songs (1929) for voice and clarinet
 * To Poetry for voice and piano (1952; 18 mins.; BL)
 * The Famous Tay Whale (text by William McGonagall)(BL)
 * Four Greek Folk Songs for high voice and string orchestra or string quartet (11 mins.; Schott)
 * Four French Folk Songs for high voice and guitar (7 mins.; Schott)
 * Four medieval french songs for voice, viola d’amore (or viola), viola da gamba (or violoncello) and guitar (Schott)
 * Petőfi Songs (4 Hungarian Folk Songs) (12 mins.)
 * Yugoslav Folk-Songs mixed choir (SATB) a cappella (Boosey & Hawkes / Schott)
 * Three Hungarian Folk Songs
 * The Owl and the Pussy-Cat (1957) for voice and piano (Schott)

Stage/ballet

 * Eva spielt mit Puppen (1934)
 * The Invitation for orchestra (1960; Schott, BL)

Selected filmography

 * Figurehead (1952, short film)
 * The Fake (1953)
 * Animal Farm (1954)
 * The Diamond (1954)
 * A Town Like Alice (1956)
 * Robbery Under Arms (1957)
 * Chase a Crooked Shadow (1958)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/V-Modell

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V-Modell
Lot of bureaucratese, sounds rather like a company mission statement. Stub with external link; notable or vanity? Radiant! 10:11, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Commercial promotion. Delete -- Paul Richter 12:26, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trilobite (Talk) 14:57, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, ad. Wyss 19:41, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep rewrite and expand. Significant German IT company. Megan1967 04:45, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability not established. Katefan0 20:04, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have rewritten the article; it is still a stub. I deleted the trademark signs. It appears to be a product of the German government, rather than a company. Ben Standeven 23:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The V-Modell is the german equivalent to CMMI and a very important software development model. It is the standard for all large German companies and companies that have to deal with the german goverment. See the German entry on V-Modell  Max Berger Feb 22
 * Keep. --129.187.202.5 16:38, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Luis F. Gonzalez 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virtual studio

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Virtual studio
Description of a software application called viz|. If notable, would probably require a rewrite as currently it's only a list of compoments. No external link though, so maybe not vanity. Radiant! 10:14, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trilobite (Talk) 14:58, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. "Virtual studio" is actually a term that's gaining currency in the industry for software (or a hardware/software combo) that allows studio work to be done without everyone having to be in what we traditionally think of as a "studio." (I hope viz hasn't tried to copyright or trademark the word, and if they have, I hope the agency in charge didn't give it to them. Definitely in prior use.) Therefore, this may instead need to be rewritten. I'm not ready to do it, so maybe it should just delete for the time being. HyperZonk 17:23, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I removed the ad and stubified it, this'll grow into something helpful. Wyss 19:39, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree with Wyss [[User::EggplantWizard|Eggplant Wizard] 20:15, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep with Wyss's yummy stubification. Thanks, Wyss!!! HyperZonktalk 02:01, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand. A common enough software concept. Megan1967 04:47, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the new version, well done. Radiant! 12:09, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

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