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Three Treasures (Taoism)

The Three Treasures or Three Jewels are basic virtues in Taoism. Although the Tao Te Ching originally used to mean "compassion", "frugality", and "humility", the term was later used to translate the Three Jewels (Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha) in Chinese Buddhism, and to mean the Three Treasures (,, and ) in Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Tao Te Ching
"three treasures" first occurs in Tao Te Ching chapter 67, which Lin Yutang says contains Laozi's "most beautiful teachings":

天下皆謂我道大，似不肖. 夫唯大，故似不肖. 若肖久矣. 其細也夫！我有三寶，持而保之. 一曰慈，二曰儉，三曰不敢為天下先. 慈故能勇；儉故能廣；不敢為天下先，故能成器長. 今舍慈且勇；舍儉且廣；舍後且先；死矣！夫慈以戰則勝，以守則固. 天將救之，以慈衛之.

Every one under heaven says that our Way is greatly like folly. But it is just because it is great, that it seems like folly. As for things that do not seem like folly — well, there can be no question about their smallness! Here are my three treasures. Guard and keep them! The first is pity; the second, frugality; the third, refusal to be 'foremost of all things under heaven'. For only he that pities is truly able to be brave; Only he that is frugal is able to be profuse. Only he that refuses to be foremost of all things Is truly able to become chief of all Ministers. At present your bravery is not based on pity, nor your profusion on frugality, nor your vanguard on your rear; and this is death. But pity cannot fight without conquering or guard without saving. Heaven arms with pity those whom it would not see destroyed.

Arthur Waley describes these Three Treasures as, "The three rules that formed the practical, political side of the author's teaching (1) abstention from aggressive war and capital punishment, (2) absolute simplicity of living, (3) refusal to assert active authority."

Chinese terminology
The first of the Three Treasures is, which is also a Classical Chinese term for "mother" (with "tender love, nurturing" semantic associations). Tao Te Ching chapters 18 and 19 parallel ("parental love") with  (孝 "filial love; filial piety"). Wing-tsit Chan believes "the first is the most important" of the Three Treasures, and compares with Confucianist  (仁 "humaneness; benevolence"), which the Tao Te Ching (e.g., chapters 5 and 38) mocks.

The second is, a practice that the Tao Te Ching (e.g., chapter 59) praises. Ellen M. Chen believes is "organically connected" with the Taoist metaphor  (樸 "uncarved wood; simplicity"), and "stands for the economy of nature that does not waste anything. When applied to the moral life it stands for the simplicity of desire."

The third treasure is a six-character phrase instead of a single word: Bugan wei tianxia xian 不敢為天下先 "not dare to be first/ahead in the world". Chen notes that "The third treasure, daring not be at the world's front, is the Taoist way to avoid premature death. To be at the world's front is to expose oneself, to render oneself vulnerable to the world's destructive forces, while to remain behind and to be humble is to allow oneself time to fully ripen and bear fruit. This is a treasure whose secret spring is the fear of losing one's life before one's time. This fear of death, out of a love for life, is indeed the key to Taoist wisdom."

In the Mawangdui Silk Texts version of the Tao Te Ching, this traditional "Three Treasures" chapter 67 is chapter 32, following the traditional last chapter (81, 31). Based upon this early silk manuscript, Robert G. Henricks concludes that "Chapters 67, 68, and 69 should be read together as a unit." Besides some graphic variants and phonetic loan characters, like (兹 "mat, this") for  (慈 "compassion, love", clarified with the "heart radical" 心), the most significant difference with the received text is the addition of  (恆, "constantly, always") with "I constantly have three …" (我恆有三) instead of "I have three …" (我有三).

English translations
The language of the Tao Te Ching is notoriously difficult to translate, as illustrated by the diverse English renditions of "Three Treasures" below.

A consensus translation of the Three Treasures could be: compassion or love, frugality or simplicity, and humility or modesty.

Other meanings
In addition to these Taoist "Three Treasures", Chinese can also refer to the Three Treasures in Traditional Chinese Medicine or the Three Jewels in Buddhism. Victor H. Mair notes that Chinese Buddhists chose the Taoist term to translate Sanskrit  or  ("three jewels"), and "[i]t is not at all strange that the Taoists would take over this widespread ancient Indian expression and use it for their own purposes."

Erik Zürcher, who studied influences of Buddhist doctrinal terms in Taoism, noted two later meanings of : 道 "the Way",  經 "the Scriptures", and  師 "the Master" seems to be patterned after Buddhist usage;  天寶君 "Lord of Celestial Treasure",  靈寶君 "Lord of Numinous Treasure", and  神寶君 "Lord of Divine Treasure" are the  三元 "Three Primes" of the Lingbao School.

The use of the term in Classical Chinese thought is used to explain the relationships between the ten thousand things. From the macrocosm to the microcosm the blending of Heaven and Earth leading to the interpreted meaning by humans.

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Daiyō kangoku

Daiyō kangoku (代用監獄) is a Japanese legal term meaning "substitute prison". Daiyō kangoku are detention cells found in police stations which are used as legal substitutes for detention centers, or prisons. The practical difference lies in the supervision of daiyō kangoku by the police forces responsible for investigations, whereas detention centers are supervised by a professional corps of prison guards who are not involved in the investigative processes.

Daiyō kangoku came about to solve a shortage of prison cells in Japan in 1908. The practice has continued and has significant political support. It has been controversial, however, because of its role in eliciting confessions from criminal suspects, especially foreigners who do not have access to translators or lawyers.

Controversy
Suspects can be detained for an "interview" in a daiyō kangoku for as many as seventy-two hours under the Code of Criminal Procedure. After this seventy-two-hour period, prosecutors can request a further ten days' detention of the suspect from a judge. These ten days are frequently used by the investigative authorities to gain confessions from the suspect. After the initial ten-day extension, the prosecutor can request a further ten days of detention from a judge, before the suspect must either be charged or released. Activists claim that requests for pre-trial detention after arrest are almost always granted by judges; in 1987, the rate of approval for all requests was 99.8% and that same year, 85% of arrested detainees were kept in daiyō kangoku facilities for longer than seventy-two hours; more than a third of suspects were held without charge for longer than ten days by a judge's decision to extend the time limits. Activists also claim that authorities have a great deal of control over the suspect's well-being, and can restrict meals or access to family and that intensive interrogation practices are often used, and the condition of daiyō kangoku are considered worse than those in Japanese regular detention centers. Japanese human rights and civil liberties activists in Japan have questioned whether this policy, which in sum allows 23 days of detention before charges must be brought, adequately protects suspects' rights. In practice, the detention may be indeterminate: the 23 days period can be repeated over and over by filing more charges.

Defenders of the current system argue that under generally conservative prefectural policies, extraordinary proof must be obtained before an arrest can be made. Japanese prosecutors require beyond-reasonable-doubt proof for indictments, and often require a confession. Advocates of the daiyō kangoku system argue that this culture of restraint among the authorities merits and even requires the ability to place uncharged suspects in prolonged detention. During an interview in the daiyō kangoku, the suspect has the rights, under the Constitution, to counsel and to remain silent. Under the Japanese Supreme Court's interpretation of the Code of Criminal Procedure, suspects cannot end the interview—which is to say, the suspect cannot choose to leave the daiyō kangoku until the interview is concluded. Japanese human rights and civil liberties advocates usually criticize this interpretation as offering the accused too few rights in daiyō kangoku.

Other references

 * Oda, Hiroshi (1999). Japanese Law. Oxford: Oxford University Press: 423–424.

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Extinction coefficient

Extinction coefficient refers to several different measures of the absorption of light in a medium:

 * Attenuation coefficient, sometimes called "extinction coefficient" in meteorology or climatology
 * Mass extinction coefficient, how strongly a substance absorbs light at a given wavelength, per mass density
 * Molar extinction coefficient, how strongly a substance absorbs light at a given wavelength, per molar concentration
 * Optical extinction coefficient, the imaginary part of the complex index of refraction

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Talk:Mengli Giray

having common enemy with...whom? -wgm

- With Muscovy (aka Princedom of Moscow)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RothenStein

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. jni 09:17, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

RothenStein
Apparent prank article--zero hits for "Assembled States of RothenStein Island" or even just "RothenStein island". According to the article "... until President Bush declared them to be on the small island axis of evil. It was then that a joint coalition of the U.S. and The U.K. invaded Rothenstein and soon had toppled the Smith regime." Ye-aaah. Ha ha. Niteowlneils 01:43, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Delete as patent nonsense. --LostLeviathan 03:21, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It just makes me shake my head. Zzyzx11 05:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * ddddddddLeeeeeeT Wolfman 06:18, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete a nice piece of fiction. Did I say nice? I meant fiction. --Deathphoenix 06:28, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 06:37, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Patent nonsense. Trilobite (Talk) 10:42, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Move to BJAODN. Ellsworth 23:26, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jayjg (talk) 05:29, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Carrp | Talk 06:50, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Patent nonsense, a BJAODN candidate. Delete. - Mike Rosoft 13:45, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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NO2ID

NO2ID is a non-partisan public campaign group in the United Kingdom, formed in 2004 to campaign against the UK government's plans to introduce British national identity cards linked to a centralised computer database, the National Identity Register (NIR). NO2ID claims the growth of government data-sharing initiatives has brought the UK to the "verge of a surveillance state in which every action of the citizen is potentially subject to monitoring". The NIR and ID cards have since been abolished by the Identity Documents Act 2010, leading NO2ID to focus on other campaigns surrounding government infringement on civil liberties and data privacy.

History

NO2ID arose initially from various campaigning groups to become an entity in its own right. Its initial form was to act as an umbrella group including staff and officers of Liberty, Charter 88 (now Unlock Democracy), Privacy International, the Foundation for Information Policy Research, the 1990 Trust and Stand.org.uk. NO2ID-branded material first appeared in 2002, published and paid for by Liberty and Charter 88.

NO2ID's support is broad based including political parties on the political left (such as Respect and the Greens), in the centre (such as the Liberal Democrats) and on the right (such as the United Kingdom Independence Party and Conservative Future, though the Conservative Party has pledged to scrap the ID scheme). In addition, civil liberties groups such as Liberty, Privacy International, Action on Rights for Children, the Open Rights Group and Genewatch UK, other organisations including trades unions (e.g. UNISON, the National Union of Journalists & the University and College Union) and public bodies including District, City and Borough Councils, the Scottish Parliament, the National Assembly for Wales and the London Assembly and individuals such as Neil Tennant, Philip Pullman, and Conservative Mayor of London Boris Johnson have affiliated to or made public declarations of support for the NO2ID campaign.

Organisation
NO2ID is a UK-wide membership organisation, supported by subscriptions, donations and some grant funding, mainly from the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust Ltd. It has established and supports national and regional groups across the UK, one of the first being NO2ID Scotland, as well as a network of action-oriented local groups staffed entirely by volunteers.

NO2ID grew rapidly during the initial Parliamentary battle against the UK ID cards legislation which, after the first Bill fell having failed to be passed before the general election in May 2005, was re-introduced and passed as the Identity Cards Act 2006 in March 2006. At that point, NO2ID had around 30,000 registered supporters and a network of around 100 other supportive organisations. A partial list of those organisations declaring public support can be found on the NO2ID website.

As of December 2008, NO2ID had some 60,000 registered supporters and active groups in most major cities and many towns across the UK.

Campaign
NO2ID launched its public campaign with an online petition that gathered over 3,000 signatures in a little over four weeks, submitted just as the Labour Government introduced the first Identity Cards Bill in November 2004.

In July 2005, NO2ID signed up over 10,000 people through PledgeBank, who pledged to refuse to accept an identity card and to contribute £10 to a fund to provide legal support for those prosecuted for resisting registration. A second identical pledge was launched to try to double the number of people publicly committed to resisting registration, but this failed to gain traction. Over two years later, in November 2007, the Pledge was called in and during the first fortnight alone over £40,000 was raised and put into a ring-fenced Legal Defence Fund.

In May 2006, NO2ID launched the "Renew for Freedom" campaign, urging passport holders to renew their passports to delay being entered on the National Identity Register. This followed a comment made by Charles Clarke in the House of Commons that "anyone who feels strongly enough about the linkage [between passports and the ID scheme] not to want to be issued with an ID card in the initial phase will be free to surrender their existing passport and apply for a new passport before the designation order takes effect". UK Passport Office statistics published the following year suggest that between 30,000 and 40,000 people renewed their passport in the first month of the campaign.

In September 2006, the NO2ID campaign started an appeal to track down the locations of the new outsourced Passport / National Identity Register "personal interview" registration centres at which the government planned to start face to face identity interviews. The project, named 'Authentication by Interview' (AbI), due to launch in October 2006, suffered a series of delays during which the campaign located 67 of the 69 interview centres - often revealing their location before Home Office ministers were able to do so in Parliamentary Answers.

In November 2007, the campaign launched the NO2ID Pledge – a new form of non-violent direct action: pre-emptive resistance. The NO2ID Pledge, supported by public figures including Nick Clegg and Shirley Williams, encourages people to resolve publicly and clearly that they will not to do those specific things that give the ID scheme its "parasitic vitality".

Repeal of the Identity Cards Act
In September 2010, the Identity Documents Act 2010 was passed, repealing the Identity Cards Act 2006 and abolishing identity cards and the National Identity Register. At the introduction of the Bill by the Conservative Party and Liberal Democrats coalition government in June 2010, former Home Secretary David Blunkett under whom the ID scheme began, acknowledged the success of the campaign: "I need to be contrite enough to congratulate Phil Booth from NO2ID, Dr Whitley from the London School of Economics identity project, and others, for the tremendous campaign that they have run, over the past five years in particular, to stop this scheme." At third reading of the Bill in the House of Commons in September 2010, Home Office minister Damian Green acknowledged NO2ID's part in the abolition of the ID scheme, saying: "I also pay tribute to the NO2ID campaign, which can chalk itself up as one of the most successful pressure groups in history. It was formed less than 10 years ago, and within a decade of its formation it has achieved its principal aim."

Related campaigns
During the course of its campaign against the database state, NO2ID has helped establish three other independent campaigns: TheBigOptOut.org and medConfidential campaigning for medical confidentiality and LeaveThemKidsAlone, a parent-led campaign against the fingerprinting of children in schools and nurseries.

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Talk:Knights of the Round Table

Fictional?
Does this really belong in the "fictional" category? Granted, many were invented, but those like Bedivere, Tristan, and a few others were real. Kuralyov 01:50, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) There was also some time in history that 12 knights of the round table stood out of the 25 knights that were their.

Even though a few may have been real, the Round Table and their association with it was fictional.--Cuchullain 05:44, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Striped knight
Hey. I remember from my childhood reading about a knight, who had origins in North-Africa and was part of the stories of the round table. His skin was striped, black and white (because his parents were black and white ;). I was trying to find his name now, here and in google, but couldn't. Help appreciated. Ben T/C 06:20, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be Wolfram von Eschenbachs Parzival epic. Briefly: Parzival and Feirefiz are half brothers engaged in an epic struggle. Feirefiz is the striped one, on account of a Saracen mother.
 * Also another potential member might be Sir Aglovales Moorish son Sir Morien, although he is not striped :). LamontCranston 23:42, June 7, 2006

You see, King Arthur wasn't fake. Many of the legends surrounding him were, but he himself was real.

I thing that this book sucked becuse it was very hard to read and BRACE YOUR SELF

Is a section about (new) Knights of the Round Table in modern fiction merited?
For example, Prince Valiant, Sir Robin from Monty Python, and the villain from Quest For Camelot. Uthanc 05:38, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't think so. To tell you the truth, I'm not a fan of long lists as appear in this article.--Cúchullain t/ c 21:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I mean, I do not think it would be out of place to mention some of them. It would be similar to mentioning modern fictional samurai in a list of famous Samurai. Carillonatreides

I think you could make a good argument for it. Arthurian legend has evolved a lot over the years, being adapted and changed by many different authors, so I don't see the modern characters being any less valid than the more traditional ones. Of course, you'll have someone splitting hairs and saying Monty Python's Holy Grail isn't REALLY a valid Arthurian work, etc., etc. Maybe the list can be broken up by work or importance or something? I'm not always a fan of these huge lists either, but if you come here EXPECTING a comprehensive list of knights, it probably should include everyone. Ştefan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 (talk) 23:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, just found the article List of Arthurian Characters. Y'all ever think about merging them? Seems like they ought to be, but it'll make that list huge with the table format they've got going over there. Ştefan 00:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I think notable appearances should be made. (I'm thinking things like FF7's ultimate summon (Knights of the Round) here.... but it is quite clearly a reference.) 62.252.178.158 (talk) 04:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Adding to the list
An IP address user recently added King Seper to the list. I can't claim to be an expert on the knights of the round table, but some cursory fact-checking doesn't seem to support this addition. Can anyone (hopefully the person who made the edit) provide evidence or support for the addition of King Seper? I'm undoing the edit until then. Skiguy330 (talk) 18:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced list
The list is currently missing any references. The article on Merriam–Webster's Collegiate Dictionary formerly said that it contained a list. Can someone with the dictionary at hand check on this? --Blainster (talk) 15:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Recent find pinpointing location of original Round Table
I reverted the deletion so the archaeological finding is included. The emphasis is not on the newspaper article, but on the discovery. Where or how it fits into the Knights of the Round Table article is secondary. But it's an important fact, reported by a reliable source and as such should have a foothold in the article. grifterlake (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

 * It's not an "important fact", it's speculation being reported as fact in a single newspaper article, not a scholarly source. This kind of thing happens with the Arthur legend all the time. It should stay out at least until it gets some more traction, so that we can judge if it's important enough to the subject to include.--Cúchullain t/ c 01:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And I'm not trying to knock Gidlow or his claim. But as it is I don't think it's established that the material is important enough to the subject to warrant it being injected into every article on Arthur.--Cúchullain t/ c 01:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 21:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Any of the knights can be split back into an own article if gets written more
And of course writing more is encouraged in any case, especially if this means referenced content. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 07:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Breunor's story needs to be summarized
More or less. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 09:55, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

The listing of "generally more or less obscure" from Malory might be improved with more short notes about some of them
With references if possible, but that's for everything of course. --5.173.97.15 (talk) 08:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it might, but there's hardly anything known about them. If you wish, you could expand those notes, but I don't think there'll 1.) be any information at all 2.) be much if there is information 3.) be, like the knights in question, obscure and hard to sniff out.PNSMurthy (talk) 04:07, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Little paragraphs for knights
Are those paragraphs really needed? They just make this article look half-backed and unprofessional (here, I am not referring to the paragraphs, but to the knights who do not possess any). Can't we just deleted that section?PNSMurthy (talk) 00:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Rewrite issues (solved)
As I wrote,

I'm doing the editing right now (and will continue in the days to follow), and you're reverting to things that FACTUALLY WRONG, just incorrect, including some that you made wrong, and revert 2 entire sections to nothing but "expand section" - go to the article talk page and explain your problems with it, now it's work on progress and let me work.

I tried to use your simple corrections actually. Now you can explain what else do you see wrong. --5.173.40.99 (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not how this works. You should hash out what it is that you want to do here, on this page, when your edits are in dispute, before attempting to make them. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

What I'm doing on this page:

- reverted to the last good version (things like alternate names are actually extremely important because they're just different in different texts - the "simple" names are usually NOT used), while incorporating some corrections of style

- made countless other corrections of all kinds through the article (including factual corrections)

- added 2 entire new sections where there were have been "expand sections" tags since last year

- I'm continuing to actively work on the article (even tagged as under construction), while being disrupted repeatedly by Moon.

--5.173.40.99 (talk) 16:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

 * There were issues throughout the entire article related to tone and style; again, see WP:NPOV and WP:EPSTYLE. Unnecessary and non-neutral descriptors such as "brave" "valiant" "beautiful" etc. are not at home in a Wikipedia article. Neither is needlessly complicated phrasing or old English terms that could be replaced with widely used vernacular.
 * The alternate names, however, I am less sure of. They took up a lot of space and made the article less easy to read; in my opinion, they're not important enough to warrant that (keeping in mind this is a Wikipedia article and doesn't go completely in-depth anyway). I'd honestly prefer a list of alternate names or something similar, other than throwing them into body paragraphs.
 * If there's information that is factually incorrect, then correct it instead of reverting large edits in their entirety. You don't just get to claim an article as your personal work in progress.  LunarisTFM   (💬 • 📝) 17:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The descriptors are the characterizations. This is how they're described by the authors of the texts, it's not anyone's modern opinion. Sometimes they're handsome, sometimes they're ugly, sometimes they're valiantz sometimes they're treasonous. That's their characterizations.

The alternate names are just extremely important. To the degree that if one goes to Google Books or Google Scholar to read about something in more detail (or even to check if what is on Wikipedia is even true), they might not find anything about a particular text in relation to the character using the Wikipedia chosen form of name, or at least they find only a portion of such books/articles.

You deleted most of Hector's section and then added "expansion needed" for someone to write again just what you just deleted. This is just silly.

You never actually explained what you're deleting and why.

You never discussed with anyone making any of your drastic changes.

I'll write about my own edits later. --5.173.40.99 (talk) 18:06, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Now, my own edits (another issue):

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Knights_of_the_Round_Table&type=revision&diff=1079788206&oldid=1078623986

Summary:

- actually incorporated many of your actual copyediting (not uniloteral deletions)

- added 2 entire new entire sections (Brandelis and Dodinel) in place of empty "expansion needed" sections

- removed 1 empty "expansion needed" (Segurant), moved his coat of arms down to ths Old Table where he belongs (he was actually 160 years old when Arthur became the king)

- standardized the alternate names (as mostly using italics etc.)

- all sorts of factual corrections and style fixes that you can see (including the very first sentence of the entire article, wrongly charactrizing the Matter of Britain).

--5.173.40.99 (talk) 18:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

 * The majority of what my "deletions" were rephrasing and copyediting. Most information in the article remained intact, and most of what I did remove was done because I saw it to be largely irrelevant to the purpose of the article. That purpose being, the knights themselves. This article doesn't need very detailed descriptions of Arthurian legends, or of characters who aren't members of the Round Table. A Wikipedia article doesn't need to have every possible bit of information, but it does need to be concise and readable.
 * The descriptors need to be clearly presented as characterization. "Depicted as," "Written/said to be," and other such phrases are very useful. That being said, their presence doesn't add much to the article anyway and would only serve to clutter it further if they were added back.
 * As for blanking Hector... That's one thing I'm actually at fault for. I was dissatisfied with any attempt to rewrite it and threw it away. I should have put a copyedit template on that section instead, and then left it.
 * I wouldn't be opposed to adding the alternate names back. And of course I'm not opposed to adding new sections, or making actual corrections. But the vast majority of my edits had purpose, so I ask that you work with me here and build on top of them, instead of reverting them.  LunarisTFM   (💬 • 📝) 18:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

As in the case of knights themselves, the alternate names of the characters that don't have their own arricles are also extremely important. They may be just totally different in different works or even just different variants of the same work.

It's not Simple Wiki, the purpose of Wikipedia is presenting scholarly material. People can read the simple (and often very inaccurate) descriptions in the websites such as the Early British Kingdom included in the external links on the bottom.

You weren't adding "depicted as" etc. And you were deleting stuff, a lot of itz often seemingly randomly as you like. Never explaining your reasons in the edit summaries, never asking here on the talk page My proposals:

1. Restore the article to the consensus version (from before your edits) and start discussing each and every of all of your drastic changes for the new consensus.

2. Restore the article to my own most recent versions, and let me keep on working on it (I have time for this just today I got employed again and start working tommorow) and start discussing each and every of all of your drastic changes.

I obviously prefer #2. I planned to make a section about King Nentres (and other names, as usual) - the husband of one of Arthur's sisters (Elaine and other names) today, in addition to Brandelis and Dodinel that I added over the weekend. I seriously only have time right now, for the foreseeable future as I'm going to work 12 hours shifts.

Let me also add that you would discuss for the new consensus with other people than just me. Or even not me at all if I really won't have any time for it. --5.173.40.99 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Neither of those proposals will work for me. No prior version should be restored, the article should be built on from where it is now, with the proper tone and style for a Wikipedia article. I keep repeating "clean and concise" but I'm not sure the relative importance of those things is actually getting across.
 * I've already added several of your sections back into the article, and I do encourage you to keep working on it; however, I will not bend on the majority of things I changed. It might be easiest to request a third opinion to resolve this.  LunarisTFM   (💬 • 📝) 19:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

It's only your personal opinion, you didn't reach consensus about it with anyone. Your "will not bend" is about the version before your edits was the consensus versions, the consensus of all the editors over the years, and you didn't even ask anyone here. Not "third opinion", you didn't ask about anyone's opinion before making your drastic changes, which you never explained in your edits removing multiple kylobytes of content each time writing only "Copyediting".

For example, Bleoberis - you removed most of his names and most of the appearances of Bloeberis, while seemingly randomly leaving somem. Never explained, not to mention never discussed. It's an example I'll elaborate on in a moment (wasting my time, thered not going be Nentres after all). --5.173.40.99 (talk) 19:17, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

So, the example of Bleoberis. You talk of a correct "style" and yet you for example made his manner of death a single paragraph sentence (there should be no single paragraph sentences). And why would you remove most of his name's and appearances? What even is any more important than the appearances?

You may compare to my own copyedit in the link above. I standardized the alternate names, moved the Bleheris connection to the bottom in a separate paragraph.

And yes, for example his killing in Tristrant is indeed brutal and bloody - it's discussed in the scholarly literature, as it's just barbaric literally (Tristan even beats his horse to death with a crude club and is covered with blood and brains, very unknightly and extremely opposed to his usual characterization as a courtly harpist kind and even to most deaths in romances in general). The kind of things you might have asked about. And it's just an example. You should have asked. Discussed first. And you just didn't. --5.173.40.99 (talk) 19:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

And to continue the example-in-example, just put simple 'Tristan' and 'Pleherin' into Google Books. In the very top results you will see discussions of the club that Tristan used to "murder" Pleherin, how he "brutally assualted" him, with "Pleherin with his brains coming forth". That's just the top search results. Because this is important.

What you did with all that? Removed even any mention of 'Pleherin'. He's not killing 'Bleoberis'. People won't find about it as you just did, by searching for itm do you understand? --5.173.40.99 (talk) 19:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

And to beat (his) dead horse futher, here's for example from the entry of Bleoberis in the 2019 KOTR coat of arms encyclopedia "Les Armoires des Chevaliers de la Table Ronde" (in French), and how you screwed up this article and apparently didn't even realize it.

1. For starters, you removed the popular form "Blioberis" entirely. The entry there actually uses "Blioberis de la Deserte" as his main name, with "Bleoberis" as just of the listed alts (along with Bliberris, Blioerris, Blioherri, Blios, Blihobleeris, Bliobeheri, etal).

2. "Brother of Blanor" - you removed all the alts of Blamor, leaving only "Blamoure" (truth be told, the form "Blanor" wasn't even originally listed, and actually should be added).

3. "Father of Nestor de la Fontaine" - you entirely removed just any mention of Nestor whatsoever (who was written in the article as only "Nestor de Gaunes" without any of his alts).

Can you see it now? Do you understand? You need to revert just all of your removals. Then discuss all the changes you want to make.

And for that matter, Blamoure isn't even listed there at all in the entry for "Blanor de Gaunes", with the alts of Blaanor, Blannor and Blainor, along with Blamor. Blamour[e] might be just Malory's and it's about the original French romances and their herladry. --5.173.40.99 (talk) 20:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I see your only response to this is just doubling down on that, still not discussing as always: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Knights_of_the_Round_Table&type=revision&diff=1079816440&oldid=1079809724 --5.173.40.99 (talk) 21:15, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Until someone repairs all the damage done here, I'll just keep working on it on my own talk page. --5.173.40.99 (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

 * I want to come to an agreement here, but I just can't get behind restoring the article as it was, with all of its problems. Because like it or not, it definitely had problems.
 * By far the most notable thing here is the alternate names, so let's start with that. You seem more knowledgeable on this subject than me, so I'll take your word and assume they're important and my removal was ignorant. There's already a table in the article with a section for alternate names and a section for appearances; so why don't we use that, and only mention alternate names in the rest of the article when they're relevant? The names, like in Bleoberis' section, took up a lot of space and cluttered the main paragraphs. They're less intrusive in others, but still.
 * Though if you really want all of them in the knight's individual paragraphs, I'm not opposed to going along with that either.  LunarisTFM   (💬 • 📝) 14:32, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I actually apprepriate you're being more reasonable now. I just came here only out of curiosity while excepting to see you instead arguing with some other people already. If you restored the article to my latest version (about which I meanwhile noticed there was a misplaced "the" in the very first sentence, a "teh" elsewhere, and probably some more basic errors that can be obviously corrected with no objections), I might discuss your proposals one by one by one. And anyone else may join such discussion too.

The table is for those who have their own separate articles. Sometimes it lists few alternate names, but they're rather listed in their articles like let's say at Gawain's. And at least some section entries here could be turned into articles too, but that would need a whole lot of various work to be made properly. They're NOT ready as they are. Meanwhile I didn't get to write anything at all about Nentres as I'm now being busy with life, just as predicted.

It's also not just the names but also the works. But the appearances alone would be an useless if didn't provide the exact names within the text to search for if someone was to research further or even just if to verify these appearances. So the names and the works, but names even more so because you can find the works using the names, are the most basic and most important facts possible for any seriously encyclopedic purposes. That's just the fundamentals. Then their biographies and/or characterizations (what you called main paragraphs) can be diamaterally different, and while Malory is an English "canon" he usually writes very little to nothing about the great most compared to the various French and other authors before him (some of these texts are much longer than his entire complication). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.173.40.99 (talk) 00:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Hopefully you're happy with the article as it is now.  LunarisTFM   (💬 • 📝) 16:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I totally concur with LunarisTFM. It does not appear like TheFallenMoon is acting very much like a team player at all.

These kinds of articles, especially one's written about Arthurian literature must be done with cooperation in mind. No single person wrote all of Arthuriana. Therefore, no single person should dictate what goes on in one article.

Obviously, the article should be written with neutrality with an easy sense of readability in mind. There is no reason to remove any of the alts. If that is how they were spelled, then they just be kept that way. Language was not always standardized.

Neither was Arthurian Literature ever "G-Rated". Keep the violent details in place, so that proper google scholar searches can take place without confusion.

If someone needs to expand two different sections still, then there is no reason to add anything else until they are finished. I'm sure everyone saw it. It was there for a year. Why contribute to disorganization like that?

The idea should always be to make things simpler. This involves working together and dealing with what is right in front of us. Cosmopolite369 (talk) 02:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Lunaris is actually the same person as Moon... I suppose it's now better than it was but I'll need to look into it. Honestly I already feel so very tired before I even started. Didn't get anything written about Nentres, no. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.173.105.64 (talk) 00:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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Bill White (Texas politician)

William Howard White (born June 16, 1954) is an American attorney, businessman and politician who was the 60th mayor of Houston from 2004 to 2010. A member of the Democratic Party, he was the Democratic nominee for Governor of Texas in the 2010 election, in which he lost to Republican Rick Perry. Before serving as Mayor, White was an attorney and businessman and served as U.S. Deputy Secretary of Energy under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1995. White is on the membership roster of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Family and personal life
White was born and grew up in San Antonio. He is the son of Bill and Gloria Avalon White, both public schoolteachers. He and his wife have helped lead various charitable and civic organizations. White is an avid cyclist and every year he leads Houston's annual "Bike to Work Day." He also created the annual biking event "Tour de Houston" through historic Houston neighborhoods. Bill White's wife Andrea is the daughter of Arthur John Ferguson (1917–2008), a Louisiana State University graduate in mechanical engineering originally from New Orleans, and the former Patsi Wells, a native of Baton Rouge. Andrea White has written several novels, one of which received the Golden Spur Award as well as being named to the Texas Bluebonnet List.

White and his wife Andrea are the parents of three children, Will, Elena and Stephen.

The Whites are members of St. Luke's United Methodist Church in Houston.

Education and career
White graduated from Churchill High School before attending Harvard University on American Legion scholarships and graduating magna cum laude with a degree in economics. At Harvard his roommate was Mir Murtaza Bhutto— son of former Pakistan's Prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. He then attended The University of Texas School of Law, where he was elected editor-in-chief of its law review and graduated with highest honors.

White also served as an administrator on the Board of Directors for the Baylor College of Medicine.

White began his career as a lawyer at Susman Godfrey, LLP, a leading law firm in Houston, from 1979 to 1993, where he practiced business litigation and anti-trust law, and eventually became partner.

He served as U.S. Deputy Secretary of Energy under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1995. He organized Frontera Resources, a developer of oil and gas in the Caspian Sea region, and was also the chairman of the Texas Democratic Party, from 1995 to 1998. He was the president and CEO of WEDGE Group, an energy, construction and real estate company, from 1997 to 2004.

Community and business activities
White has served on the board of directors for the North American Electric Reliability Council. He was chairman for both the World Trade Division and the Environmental Advisory Committee, and served on the executive committee, for the Greater Houston Partnership. He has also served on the board of directors for the Houston Quality of Life Coalition.

He is an official sponsor and supporter of the Amazing Faiths Project of Houston.

Mayor of Houston

In 2003, White, a Democrat, ran in Houston's officially nonpartisan mayoral election to succeed term-limited Mayor Lee Brown, who was the first African-American mayor of the city. Running as a moderate with business experience, he appealed to Democrats and Republicans despite having little name recognition.

One of White's opponents in the race was Republican Orlando Sanchez, a Cuban-American and a former Houston City Councilman, who had unsuccessfully challenged Brown in a heated 2001 bid to become Houston's first Hispanic mayor. Also running was Democratic Texas State Representative Sylvester Turner, who had run for mayor in 1991 (against then-incumbent Kathy Whitmire and real estate developer Bob Lanier). In that race, Turner was embroiled in an insurance scandal exposed in an investigation by Houston's ABC affiliate, KTRK-TV that eventually led to a 1996 lawsuit; Lanier went on to defeat Whitmire.

In the November election, White, along with Sanchez, defeated Turner. In the runoff, White defeated Sanchez with 63 percent of the vote.

White was a member of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition, a bi-partisan group with a stated goal of "making the public safer by getting illegal guns off the streets." The Coalition is co-chaired by Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. White resigned from the group in July 2009. White's staff said that the group's focus had grown from its original effort to prevent the sale of stolen guns. Regarding a recent proposal to allow those with concealed gun permits to carry them into other states, White's staff added that he resigned the day that the group took out a newspaper advertisement denouncing that proposal.

First term
White's first term as mayor of Houston began on January 2, 2004. He gained popularity during this term, which led to significant support for his reelection.

During this term, Houston hosted Super Bowl XXXVIII, the 2004 MLB All-Star Game, the 2006 NBA All-Star Game and the 2005 World Series. These events have been great boosts to Houston's economy. He also led the building of Houston's Metro light rail system.

In 2004, White, his wife Andrea, and then Houston ISD Superintendent Kaye Stripling assembled an education summit with about 400 local community and civic leaders to discuss Houston's then high drop-out rate. That year, White and his wife established Expectation Graduation, a program designed to reduce high school drop-out rates.

In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, thousands of residents of New Orleans were displaced. White offered refuge for the victims in the Astrodome, the George R. Brown Convention Center, and a large building formerly housing an Auchan location. He also helped set up programs to help them find long-term housing, job placement, and education within Houston. He was later awarded the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award for his service in the light of this catastrophe.

Just weeks after Hurricane Katrina, it looked as though Houston would become the target of Hurricane Rita. White mobilized the citizens of Houston to evacuate. During a series of press conferences, White and Harris County County Judge Robert Eckels instructed Houstonians on when to evacuate. Officials employed a strategy that called for the evacuation of flood prone areas first. This evacuation, however, led to many problems as it caused multi-hour backups on all freeways in Houston. This prompted White to later lead an evacuation plan reform for Houston.

In 2005 White initiated the SafeClear Program, designed to quickly clear roads and freeways of stalled vehicles. The program requires stalled vehicles to be towed off freeways in Houston as soon as possible. It was created to keep traffic down, as Houston has severe backups during the morning and evening rush hours. It was also meant to make the freeways safer by keeping them cleared of stalled vehicles. This program led to controversy when it was first started, however, for several reasons. It originally required motorists to pay for the towing of their stalled vehicle, but at reduced prices set by the city. Tow truck drivers claimed that the program hurt their business and nine wrecker companies filed lawsuits against the city. White testified in court in the case. In addition the SafeClear Program has been blamed for causing the deaths of people, who seemed to be trying to get their cars off the freeway without having to pay fees to the tow truck drivers. The cause of death of these people, however, is uncertain. State Senator John Whitmire recruited 30 out of 31 Texas State Senators' votes to make the SafeClear program illegal. White responded to the controversy and criticism by changing the rules of the program and the towing laws, including free towing for limited distances funded by the city. The program was adapted to include strict licensing of SafeClear wreckers including criminal background checks, allowing the towed motorist to be towed for one mile for free, preventing the City leasing stretches of state-owned highway to private wrecker companies, and requiring revenue generated from the program to enter a mobility fund. White also worked with John Whitmire to address the objections of the senators, keeping the program alive but in a different format. He also rode with a wrecker and conducted several studies of the program. Despite the controversy, independent studies have found that the program has helped. Studies show that the program has been successful in decreasing accidents. A study, conducted by Rice University and Texas A&M University found that the number of freeway crashes decreased by 10.4%, or nearly 2,000 crashes. According to these results, drivers in Houston saved approximately $35 million by the implementation of the program. However Suzanne Poole, president of the Houston Professional Towing Association, says those numbers are misleading and actual crashes are actually higher. In reference to the program's objective to decrease traffic congestion, a study by KHOU-TV found that average drive times increased at 86% of freeways into Houston six months after the program was implemented compared to before the program. However, some claim that more cars were on the roads during these six months and that construction on the freeways, particularly on US 59, caused drive times to increase. Nonetheless, SafeClear remained one of the most controversial, and one of few controversies, during his time as mayor.

White also lowered Houstonians' property tax in 2006 and again during the next four years gaining him support from some local Republicans. White also helped lead to neighborhood water sewage improvements, a reform of the city's pension fund, a crackdown on Houston's high crime rate and began a local recycling campaign known as "Stop Trashing Houston" to discourage littering.

Second term
In 2005, White was challenged for re-election by minor and perennial candidates and won re-election with 91 percent of the vote–the highest percentage received by a mayoral candidate in Houston in 60 years.

During his second term, White focused his work on improving graduation rates in the city's high schools, enforcing air pollution standards, reducing the possibility of flooding in newer areas, adopted a more flexible system of working hours, and to create public-private initiatives with private business and community organizations to stimulate growth in the city's most neglected subdivisions. His moderate leanings were shown by his defense of businesses, such as Shawn Welling's Planet Funk, which faced closure in mid 2005.

In 2005, White formed the Mayor’s Wellness Council and launched the Get Moving Houston fitness campaign. Houston had previously been rated “Fattest City in America" by Men’s Fitness magazine.

In 2006, White proposed a series of eight city propositions aimed at improving infrastructure without a tax increase. All eight city propositions passed in a November 2006 election.

White worked to create the Discovery Green park in Houston, which held its groundbreaking in October 2006. Mayor White's 2008 inauguration was held at the park. The park officially opened to the public in April 2008 with a ribbon cutting led by White.

In 2007, the FBI released a report showing an increase in Houston's murder rate. While some speculated about the impact of Hurricane Katrina victims who settled on the Southwest side of town, Mayor White released a statement concerning the FBI's findings:

"With the regard to the 2006 figures now being reported, the FBI calculated a murder rate per 100,000 people for Houston based on census estimates of a 2,073,729 population as of July 1, 2005. That was before Houston’s population swelled by well over 100,000 people. On the basis of U.S. Post Office change of address information we estimated the 2006 population at 2,198,755. While it is normally fair to make year-to-year comparisons based on population estimates that lag crimes by a year or more, the unusual increase in Houston’s population for 2006 makes our City’s figures for the murder rate per 100,000 not quite comparable to the rate in other communities in 2005."

Energy conservation topped the Mayor's list of concerns in 2007. Via the City's Power to People Web site, Mayor White encourages energy conservation through tips and tools, education about tax incentives, and raffles.

In 2007, White was honored the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award for his service during Hurricane Katrina. He was also awarded the FBI's Director's Community Leadership Award for lowering Houston's crime rate stating that "Mayor White made public safety one of his highest priorities, as evidenced by Houston's decreasing crime rate."

White proposed closing The Center Serving Persons with Mental Retardation. Mayor White's position was that the Center's lease of one dollar per annum to the city of Houston was not legal. Seven previous Mayors had honored the lease. White felt the city's revenue stream could be enhanced by evicting the Center and its mentally retarded clientele and using the land for commercial purposes. The Center will have to borrow 6 million dollars and relocate in the settlement reached with the city.

During White's second term he focused on reducing the number of car accidents in Houston. To do this, he started a campaign to stop drunk driving. He led a summit, hosted by Mothers Against Drunk Driving. He also presented a plan to increase enforcement, education, and public awareness. This included installing signs around the Houston area warning of drunk driving and urging people to dial *DWI if they suspect someone of drunk driving. In 2007, he also launched the "Mobility Response Team", a task force staffed by traffic officers that patrol within the loop fixing traffic problems. They also report traffic light outages, issue parking citations, help clear and direct traffic around minor accidents.

Also, at the recommendation of Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt, White had 50 red-light cameras installed around Houston. Originally four intersections were used to test the traffic cameras in September 2006. The trial cameras met the requirements and were approved for using throughout the city. The red-light cameras caused controversy, though, even leading to some lawsuits. Many people argued that this was just a way for the city to make money at the expense of public safety. However, White has stood behind his decision to keep the red light cameras. Studies have revealed mixed results of the effectiveness of red-light cameras. A study in Houston in 2008 revealed an increase in accidents at intersections with red light cameras, although it also revealed a decrease in citations. A city-financed study of red-light cameras at Houston intersections shows traffic accidents doubled at those intersections in their first year. The study also found that citations decreased. However, other studies have found that red-light cameras reduce accidents and citations. A study by Texas A&M University found that accidents were reduced in Texas by 30%. Several studies funded by insurance trade groups which study traffic safety, have found the cameras had a dramatic effect and reduced accidents by as much as 30 percent. A study released in 2008 from the Texas Transportation Institute found a 30 percent reduction across the state. A study in Lubbock, Texas of red light cameras showed a 52% increase in accidents, so the City Council voted against installing them. A news investigation found that the Houston intersections with cameras often had yellow lights that were too short, and violated Texas Department of Public Safety recommendations. Houston suburb Sugar Land found that the combination of lengthening yellow lights and installing cameras reduced violations by 96 percent. This finding is consistent with a March 2005 Texas Transportation Institute study of 181 Texas intersections during a three-year period which found that increasing the length of yellow-light time by one second reduced violations by 53 percent and crashes by 40 percent.

He was rated Governing Magazine's Public Official of the Year in 2007.

Third term
White's third term began in January 2008 with his inauguration at the Discovery Green Park.

White made fighting pollution in and around the Houston area a top concern during his third term. He put pressure on local factories to limit pollution. He particularly emphasized reducing carcinogenic benzene emissions. He launched the Benzene Action Plan in 2007 which monitors benzene emissions and aims to reduce concentrations in the air. He forced Houston's largest refinery Lyondell Chemical Company, located along the Houston Ship Channel, to publicly defend its carcinogenic emissions. This received criticism from some businesses claiming White overstepped his powers as mayor, while he received praise from some citizens. In thanks to his fighting of pollution in Houston, White was awarded the HERO Award (Houston-Galveston Environmental Research & Outreach Award) on September 15, 2008. In August 2008, White traveled to Stavanger, Norway, one of Houston's sister cities, for an energy conference. On June 9, 2008, White revealed plans to increase solar energy capacity for the city of Houston. Solar panels were installed on the Code Enforcement building and the roof of the City Hall Annex building. Houston was chosen as one of the U.S. cities in the Solar America Cities program designed increase the use of solar technology. The U.S. Department of Energy is providing assistance to the city in expanding its solar energy capacity.

In 2008, White also hosted the inaugural class of a new program called City Hall Fellows. The program brought on ten promising recent college graduates to assist with special projects with department directors, through a one-year paid fellowship. Founded by Bethany Rubin Henderson, who was named an Echoing Green Fellow in 2009 and is currently serving as a White House Fellow, the City Hall Fellows program also included the Civic Leadership Development Program, giving members of the cohort exposure to  civic, business, and community leaders dealing with some of the most pressing challenges and most promising opportunities facing the region. Citing the budget crises that accompanied the Recession, Mayor Annise Parker cancelled the program after just two years.

Texas Governor Rick Perry and state officials had originally convinced the Environmental Protection Agency to give Houston until 2019 to meet ozone standards, but Houston met the standards in 2009. The air went from a peak of 120 ozone molecules per billion molecules of air down to 84 molecules per billion.

Following several issues with Houston's Bureau of Animal Regulation and Care (BARC), including the so-called “Corridor of Cruelty”, abuse and neglect, staff problems, funding, White addressed several issues with the bureau and moved it out of Houston's health department to be run as a separate agency.

On October 16, 2009, the city of Bridge City, Texas honored Bill White with a ceremony and commemorative plaque for his leadership during and after Hurricane Ike and his work to repair the damage caused by the storm.

White's third term ended on January 2, 2010. Due to term limits, he was unable to run again for mayor of Houston.

2010 Texas gubernatorial election
There had been speculation that White might run for higher office. On December 12, 2008, it was announced that White had decided to run for the United States Senate seat currently held by Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison, should she resign to challenge incumbent Governor Rick Perry, as was expected at the time.

On November 23, 2009, Democrat Tom Schieffer dropped out of the 2010 Texas governor's race, endorsing Bill White for the race despite White being a candidate for the U.S. Senate. Later that same day, Mayor White announced that he would "consider" running for governor. On December 4, White officially announced that would run for governor.

White won the Democratic primary for governor on March 2, 2010 and faced off against Perry, the Republican nominee. Polls showed Perry with a comfortable lead. However White did show strong support among Independent voters, young voters under 35, and minorities.

In an interview with The Texas Observer on June 11, 2010, White discussed how he would combine his experiences in both business and politics to provide Texas with better leadership.

White was defeated by incumbent Republican Governor Rick Perry in the general election on November 2, 2010. Shortly after this loss, White declined to run for the United States Senate seat vacated by Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison in the 2012 U.S. Senate election.

Later career
In 2014, Bill White published (with the Manhattan publishing house PublicAffairs) America’s Fiscal Constitution: Its Triumph and Collapse, on the subject of the growing national-debt crisis.

The volume received generally positive and respectful national attention. In The Wall Street Journal, reviewer Edward Chancellor noted that "Mr. White suggests a return to the austere principles that governed the issuance of public debt from the birth of the Republic until recently... To this end, America's Fiscal Constitution serves a noble purpose." Bethany McLean wrote, in a review for the Sunday New York Times: "This book will be music to the ears of budget hawks everywhere... In his measured way, [White] is critical of both George W. Bush and Barack Obama... This is an important book, but not an easy one."

Shortly after the book's release, White (then working as a senior adviser at the global financial advisory and asset management firm Lazard) told Maggie Galehouse of the Houston Chronicle, “I have no itch to run for public office... I like my life exactly as it is.”

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I would say it meets notability requirements. It is in installable via Debian, Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Gentoo repositories. A google search for muine music GNOME turns up 107,000 hits. I don't see how it is different than the many other http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Multimedia_software_stubs for lack of sources, etc. -ChristopherM 02:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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Bill White

Bill White may refer to:

Politics and law

 * Bill White (Canadian politician) (1915–1981), composer and social activist, first Black Canadian to run for political office
 * Bill White (lawyer) (born 1945), American lawyer who served as Public Defender for Florida's Fourth Judicial Circuit, 2004–2008
 * Bill White (Missouri politician) (born 1953), American politician
 * Bill White (Texas politician) (born 1954), former mayor of Houston, Texas, and candidate for the Texas gubernatorial election, 2010

Baseball

 * Bill White (first baseman) (born 1934), American baseball player, sportscaster and executive
 * Bill White (pitcher) (born 1978), American baseball pitcher
 * Bill White (shortstop) (1860–1924), Major League Baseball shortstop with the Pittsburgh Pirates

Other sports

 * Bill White (Australian footballer) (1916–1990), Australian rules footballer with Richmond
 * Bill White (basketball, born 1936) (1936–1999), American college basketball coach
 * Bill White (bobsleigh) (born 1959), American Olympic bobsledder
 * Bill White (footballer, born 1877) (1877–1960), Scottish association football player
 * Bill White (footballer, born 1907), Scottish association football player
 * Bill White (ice hockey) (1939–2017), Canadian ice hockey player and coach
 * Bill White (rugby union, born 1910) (1910–1977), Australian rugby union player
 * Bill White (rugby union, born 1913) (1913–1969), Australian rugby union player
 * Bill White (wrestler) (1945–2021), American wrestler

Other

 * Bill White (comics) (1961–2012), American comic book creator and animator
 * Bill White (neo-Nazi) (born 1977), American neo-Nazi activist
 * Bill White (administrator) (born 1960s), President of the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum and Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund
 * "Country" Bill White (c. 1934–2006), American burial artist
 * Bill White, bassist with American rock band The Amboy Dukes

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Simon Mayne

Simon Mayne (1612 – 13 April 1661) was a Member of Parliament for Aylesbury and one of the regicides of King Charles I of England.

Simon was born and lived at Dinton Hall in Buckinghamshire, the son of Simon Mayne Snr and his wife, Colubria the sister of Richard Lovelace, 1st Baron Lovelace. His father died when he was aged five, leaving him the Dinton Hall estate after the death of his mother (in 1629). He was educated at Thame in Oxfordshire at Lord Williams's School and admitted to the Inner Temple in 1630. He married Jane Burgoyne in 1633. After her death in 1641, he married Elizabeth Tow, a widow, with whom he had three sons.

In 1645, he was elected as Member of Parliament for Aylesbury (and was elected again in 1659). In January 1649, as a judge of the High Court of Justice at the trial of King Charles, he was 40th of the 59 signatories on the death warrant of the monarch.

After the Restoration, he was tried and sentenced to death, he died in the Tower of London in 1661 before his appeal could be heard. His body was returned to Dinton and buried in the church.

The estate was inherited by his son, Simon Mayne, who also represented Aylesbury in Parliament and was a commissioner of victualling under William and Mary.

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Taqali

Taqali (also spelled Tegali from the Tagale people) was a state of Nuba peoples that existed in the Nuba Mountains, in modern-day central Sudan. It is believed to have been founded in the eighteenth century, though oral traditions suggest it was established two centuries earlier. Due in part to its geographic position on a plateau surrounded by desert, Taqali was able to maintain its independence for some 130 years despite the presence of hostile neighbors. It was conquered by Sudanese Mahdists in 1884 and restored as a British client state in 1889. Its administrative power ended with the 1969 Sudanese coup, though the Makk of Taqali, its traditional leader, retains ceremonial power in the region.

Early history
The Taqali state was centered upon the Taqali Massif, the highest part of the Nuba Hills in the Kordofan region (of what is now central Sudan). Its early history is unclear. Oral traditions state that it was founded in the early sixteenth century when the Kingdom of Sennar was established. However, some scholars believe the state did not exist until the late eighteenth century (between 1750 and 1780) and that the early rulers (noted on the list of monarchs) are semi-mythological.

Independent state
Historian Janet J. Ewald argued that the first true ruler of Taqali was Muhammad Wad Jayli. Ewald proposed that Wad Jayli, along with his son, Ismail of Qaqali, founded the state. Ewald contends the state of Taqali was formed during a period of disorder in the Kordofan when the Kingdom of Sennar was in decline and Darfur was growing in power. Muhammad Wad Jayli began uniting the region and was succeeded as Makk by his brother Umar. Umar was overthrown c. 1783 by Ajaid, the queen mother, and Muhammad's son, Ismail. The state was further expanded by Ismail who took control of the "99 hills" of the region. His son Abakr peacefully succeeded him in 1800.

Despite its relatively small size and powerful neighbors, the Taqali state remained independent. The state was centered on the Taqali Massif and spread to encompassed all of the Nuba Mountains. These highlands were well-suited to agriculture while the surrounding Kordofan plain was dry and inhospitable, which made it difficult to support an invading army. The rocky terrain also served as a natural fortification. The neighboring Kingdom of Sennar posed the greatest threat and was appeased by annual payments from Taqali. Sennar adhered to this arrangement until the Egyptian invasion of Sennar in 1821. The Egyptians then launched three failed invasions against Taqali. An agreement was reached with Egypt that Taqali would remain de facto independent but would pay a nominal tax and be officially incorporated into Egyptian Sudan. Egypt and other outside powers attempted to influence the leadership of Taqali, which was plagued by succession conflicts from 1840 to 1880.

In 1883 the Mahdist Sudanese (who were in the midst of the Mahdist War with Egypt) decided to invade Taqali. Their campaign advanced further than any previous attempt. In July 1884 the ruler of Taqali, Makk Adam, was captured by the Mahdists and eventually died in captivity. Insurrections continued in Taqali, and Hamdan Abu Anja, a nearby Sudanese ruler, was dispatched to quell the rebellion. This resulted in more pillaging and destruction in Taqali. The state was then conquered by the forces of the self-proclaimed Mahdi, Muhammad Ahmad, in the late 19th century. In conjunction with other campaigns and revolts in Egyptian Sudan, this resulted in the formation of Mahdist State.

Restoration
In 1889 the Mahdists were defeated by the British, who formed Anglo-Egyptian Sudan. The Makk of Taqali was restored to power but remained closely controlled by the British. The Makks of Taqali proved to be useful allies and the British gradually gave them more territory to control and administer. This continued through to the independence of Sudan in 1956. The administrative power of the state ended with the 1969 coup. Though having no political power, the Makk of Taqali remains a ceremonial leader to the people of the region.

Royal family
The title of the ruler of Taqali was Makk (or Mek, "king"), possibly Arabic but more likely an Arabized word of Merotici or, Ge'ez origin. The tributaries of the Makk of Taqali were known as mukūk al-ʿāda (sing. make al-ʿāda), "customary kings". In Taqali, the son of a makk was a wad al-makk (pl. awlād al-makk), and the son of a daughter of the makk was an arbāb (pl. arābīb). The arābīb were usually prominent councils of the makk, while the arābīb al-thamāniyya (eight arābīb) were a special council that met in the palace. An arbāb could sometimes pass his rank to his sons. Likewise, the title of wad was sometimes bestowed on trusted slaves or servants. All awlād were eligible to be elected as makk. A wad who was given a territory from which to draw revenue was an ahl al-ṭāqīyah, one who wore the ṭāqīyah, a headdress associated with the rule.

A woman who bore a son to the makk was known as an artiyya (pl. artiyyāt), a term not of Arabic origin. They attained the highest rank among the women of the royal household, each supervising her household of surriyyat (concubines) and khaddama (maidservants).

Mukūk of Taqali
The following is a list of the sovereigns of Taqali and the period of their reigns. Note that those before Muhammad wad Jali are disputed.
 * Muhammad al-Rubatabi
 * Jayli Abu Jarida
 * Sabo of Taqali
 * Jayli Umara
 * Jayli Awan Allah
 * Jayli Abu Quran
 * Muhammad wad Jayli r. c. 1750
 * Umar I –1783
 * Ismail I 1783–1800
 * Abakr I 1800–820
 * Umar II 1820–1835
 * Ahmad 1835–1840
 * Maryud 1840–1843
 * Nasir 1843–c. 1860
 * Adam I c. 1860–1884
 * Interregnum 1884–1898
 * Jayli, 1898–1916
 * Abakr II 1916–1920
 * Adam II 1920– to an unknown date; one source claimed he was still ruling in 1990.

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Kujikata Osadamegaki

Kujikata Osadamegaki (公事方御定書, "book of rules for public officials") was a two-volume rulebook for Japanese judicial bureaucrats during the Edo period (江戸時代). It was enacted by Shōgun Tokugawa Yoshimune in 1742.

The book was used to determine appropriate judgements and punishments by servants of the daimyō (大名), but these servants were not required to follow the guidelines of the Kujikata Osadamegaki. Rather, they were bound to mete out fair justice only by the Japanese Confucian directive to serve one's daimyō well.

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Thomas Scot

Thomas Scot (or Scott; died 17 October 1660) was an English politician who sat in the House of Commons at various times between 1645 and 1660. He was one of the men who signed the death warrant of Charles I and was executed as one of the king's regicides.

Early life
Scot was educated at Westminster School and is said have attended Cambridge University. In 1626 he married Alice Allinson of Chesterford in Essex. He was a lawyer in Buckinghamshire and grew to prominence as the treasurer of the region's County Committee between 1644 and 1646. He became influential enough to dominate the Committee and was elected Member of Parliament for Aylesbury in 1645 as a recruiter to the Long Parliament. Though he had a penchant for long, passionate speeches in Parliament, Scot could also be a subtle backroom politician and had a knack for creating alliances and rallying votes. A royalist acerbically described him as one who "crept into the House of Commons, whispers Treason into many of the Members ears, animating the War, and ripping up and studying aggravations thereunto."

Political career
Scot's beliefs about government by consent prior to Pride's Purge are hard to gauge, though from what has survived of his writings and speeches many historians have described him as being republican. His actions during the Purge period definitely indicate that he developed strong republican leanings before 1648.

From the beginning of the English Civil War, Scot was a strong supporter of tough terms with King Charles I and later became a vociferous opponent of the Treaty of Newport, declaring "that there could be no time seasonable for such a treaty, or for a peace with so perfidious and implacable a prince; but it would always be too soon, or too late. He that draws his sword upon the king, must throw his scabbard into the fire; and that all peace with him would prove the spoil of the godly."

After Pride's Purge, Scot became one of the chief organizers of the trial and execution of the King. Scot was instrumental in the erection of the Republic and along with Henry Vane, Oliver Cromwell and Arthur Heselrige became one of its primary leaders.

Trial and execution
In 1653, with the fall of the Republic, Scot became one of the Protectorate's most vocal opponents, organising anti-Cromwell opposition inside the Parliament. In 1654 he was elected MP for Wycombe in the First Protectorate Parliament. He was elected MP for Aylesbury again in 1656 for the Second Protectorate Parliament In 1659, he was elected MP for Wycombe again in the Third Protectorate Parliament and then sat for Aylesbury again in the restored Rump Parliament.

Like all of the other 59 men who signed the death warrant for Charles I he was in grave danger when Charles II of England was restored to the throne. He fled to Flanders, but surrendered at Brussels. He was put on trial, found guilty and hanged, drawn and quartered on 17 October 1660 for the crime of regicide.

Thomas Scot was brought to trial on 12 October 1660 (in the opinion of Edmund Ludlow the outcome was a foregone conclusion). He was charged with sitting in the High Court of Justice at the trial of King Charles I and with signing one warrant for summoning that court, and another for the execution. He was further accused of wanting "Here lies Thomas Scot, who adjudged the late King to die" on his gravestone.

Many witnesses were produced to prove these things; and among them William Lenthal, Speaker in the Long Parliament, who, when the King entered the House of Commons in 1641, and had demanded of him the Five Members, had answered "that he had neither ears to hear, eyes to see, or mouth to speak except what the House gave", now appear for the prosecution; affirming in Court, that Scot, had justified proceeding against the Charles in the House of Commons.

In his defence, Scot said that whatever had been spoken in the House ought not to be given in evidence against him, not falling under the cognisance of any inferior court, as all men knew: that for what he had done in relation to the King, he had the authority of the Long Parliament for his justification and that this Court had no right to declare whether that authority were a Parliament or not; and being demanded to produce one instance to show that the House of Commons was ever possessed of such an authority, he assured them he could produce many. But having begun with the Saxon times, he was interrupted by the Court, and told that the things of those ages were obscure.

Scot then moved on to a second defence that: "he could not see for what reason it was not as lawful for that House of Commons in which he had sat as a member, to make laws, as for the present Convention which had been called by the authority of the Keepers of the Liberties of England. I had the authority of Parliament, the legislative authority to justify me —"

He was interrupted by the Court in mid sentence; and John Finch said (according to Ludlow with passion): "Sir, if you speak to this purpose again, I profess for my part I dare not hear any more: 'tis a doctrine so poisonous and blasphemous, that if you proceed upon this point, I shall (and I hope my lords will be the same opinion) desire that the jury may be immediately directed."

Scot replied: "My Lord, I thought you would rather have been my council, as I think 'tis the duty of your place. But in this matter I am not alone, neither is it myh single opinion: even the Secluded Members owned us to be a Parliament, else why did they, support by an armed force, intrude themselves contrary to the resolutions of the House, in order to procure the major vote for our dissolution (Ref. Long Parliament)?'"

To which Francis Annesley answered, that: "if the Secluded Members had not appeared in Parliament, and by that means put an end to all pretenses, the people had not so soon arrived at their happiness."

These, with many other things of equal force were presented by Scot in his defence, not so much in the expectation that the jury would find him innocent, but to justify his actions to the country and posterity. As all expected the jury was directed to find him guilty.

At his execution some of his last words were "I say again; to the Praise of the Free Grace of God; I bless His name He hath engaged me in a Cause, not to be Repented of, I say, Not to be Repented of".

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User talk:MechBrowman

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Images and media for deletion
I am contacting people who previously helped to vote to delete a generally objectionable photograph by a vote of 88 to 21, and who might be unaware that immediately after that image was voted to be deleted someone posted another which was very similar in content. My objections to this, and the previous image that was voted to be deleted might be based upon reasons far different from any that you have, but I do object to it, and consider the posting of such images to be acts of asinine stupidity, which burdens the project and its major educational aims in ways that they should not be burdened, and can be extremely detrimental to the acceptance and growth of WIkipedia's use and influence. Thus far those who I believe to be in the extreme minority of Wikipedians who would like to include these images, many who have been channeled to the voting page from the article with which it is associated have dominated the voting, 23 to 12 (as of the time that I composed this message). I would like to be somewhat instrumental in shedding a bit more light upon the issue, and if possible, helping to turn the tide against its inclusion. It might also be necessary to begin making an effort to establish an explicit Wikipedia policy against explicit photographic depictions of humans engaged in erotic, auto-erotic, or quasi-erotic activities. To my limited knowledge such images have not been accepted as appropriate anywhere else within this project, and frankly I can agree with those who are casually labeled prudes for opposing their inclusion, that they should not be. Vitally important information that might be unwelcome by some is one thing that should never be deleted, but un-needed images that can eventually prevent or impede many thousands or millions of people from gaining access to the great mass of truly important information that Wikipedia provides is quite another matter. There are vitally important distinctions to be made. Whatever your reasons, or final decisions upon the matter, I am appealing for more input on the voting that is occurring at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion. ~ Achilles † 04:33, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello MechBrowman

You just edited the Otterberg page that I created. I tried to make the link to the German site work as you now have it, but the entire link disappears from the page like that. I did some searching and the instructions say you must have the leading colon in order for it to work. Once I did that, it showed up and worked fine. Before I change it back, I wanted to make sure that there's not something that I am missing here as I am just starting on Wikipedia. Thanks!

Tdoyle 19:54, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

In regards to your response to my question: Aha! I didn't see it over there - thank you so much for the explanation!

Tdoyle 22:57, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

W. Mark Felt
Salve! I nominated W. Mark Felt as a WP:FAC. As you commented on the Deep Throat talk page, I'd appreciate your comments at Featured article candidates/W. Mark Felt/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 15:48, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Titanic related images
In reply to your message: "Hi BartBenjamin, could you put the copyright information for Image:Californian.jpg and Image:Carpathia.jpg?"

Done!

Bart July 8, 2005 02:26 (UTC)

Order of Canada FAC's
I was wondering what phrases should I bold in both articles you commented on: Appointment to the Order of Canada and Removal from the Order of Canada. I am fixing up the Ahenakew section in the Removal article. Thanks. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I knew what was going on with Note/Ref 17 at Removal from the Order of Canada: I spelled Constitution wrong. Is there anything else I can do to fix the article? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Good work, see Featured article candidates/Removal from the Order of Canada for my last comment, and I hope other people read and vote. MechBrowman 13:59, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

RMS Titanic
I am using Russian translation of A Night To Remember book by Walter Lord. Translation is published by Leningrad publishing house "Судостроительство" ("Shipbuilding") specializing on naval books. Ilya K 08:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Sociocultural evolution renominated
Since the last voting was a draw, I have renominated the article (Featured article candidates/Sociocultural evolution). Lead has been signifcantly shortened (which doesn't actually make it better IMHO but this was a popular complaint so I gave up on opposing that). I'd appreciate your input, especially as you voted during the last nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:51, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Philadelphia Project
Hi i have noticed that you have edited several articles on subjects related to the Philadelphia area. Several other users and myself have got together to creak a project to help improve, expand, and create articles concerning the Philadelphia/Delaware Valley region. While our project is still new, we are inviting people to join us to help it get started off on the right foot. You can find the project at WikiProject Philadelphia, feel free to add your name and drop off an suggestions that you might have. If you have any questions, drop me a line anytime. Thanks. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Welcome to the project. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Sunset Blvd.
I have restored my comment on the name of the film, and just to please you, I have added a reference. This is very well known among film buffs. It is so well known, in fact, that the name Sunset Blvd. is given in the first line of the article. For consistency, shouldn't you have removed that too? Londoneye 12:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for edits
Re: San Francisco Call. I created it last night, simply because I quote the paper a lot in re: to Philippine-American War Thanks for cleaning up the page--it reads and looks much better now. Travb 06:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Two Thumbs Up
for your work on my Mary Lawrence article. And, okay, the Titanic jibe about Francis David Millet  ["Frank" in my version, so thanks for doing that link too] that you cut didn't really need to be there anyway. However the guy did have an issue about women in the art world - that I might or might not get into on his page, but he made up for it later - you know, 'Women and children first." Carptrash 03:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I tend to be one of those who DOES cite references because I'm a book person with a pretty good sized art library at home. I've even managed to find a couple of pre-1923 [which I think makes them copyright free] photos of one or two of Millet's paintings.  I'm also sending out emails to rights holders of more recent stuff that is in color, but have not heard back yet. Carptrash 15:15, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Triumph of the Will (Nomination)
Conditional Support Great article, but I wish there was more about the filming of the film. The major issues are the footnotes need to be put in the same order they appear in the main article. I think there are two or three too many images from films inspired by Triumph of the Will, you don't need this much. If an article was wikilinked within the article it shouldn't be in the See Also section. I'm also not thrilled about linking within the article to sites outside wikipedia, but thats not a major issue. Also does this article really need a spolier tag? Its a documentary, there is nothing to spoil. Otherwise good work. MechBrowman 18:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Took care of spoiler tag (Was originally on there as a joke), non-wikipedia links, extra images, and footnotes. Trying to expand the filming, but haven't found much else to put in (Although I did increase the "Origins" section).  Regarding "See Also": I was under the impression that those were other articles worth reading, in addition to the main one.  If not, I think the entire section can be deleted. Palm_Dogg 11:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Bulbasaur
Bulbasaur has been gone through with a fine toothcomb by a few editors and I feel your concern here has been addressed. Thank you! --Cel e stianpower háblame 12:40, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Biography
Template:Infobox Biography has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for deletion. Thank you. DreamGuy 07:23, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

New main page draft
Hello! I noticed your negative comments regarding the proposed redesign, and I'd like to invite you to review a radically revamped revision, and to post your opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft. Thanks! —David Levy 22:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your feedback! I've changed the gold/yellow to green.  —David Levy 23:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Titanic
I thought you were just a tad dismissive with my edits to the watertight compartments bit. Care to think again? Guinnog 19:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I saw that you have eliminated part of my information about the salvage company. I think this info is pertinent, but instead of just reverting your edit, I have created a new section ownership. All info there is based on public documents and it's relevant, so I see no reason to eliminate it again. You have been using the ref tag instead of my direct links. Looks like just a question of style to me and more complicated. Anyway, as long as the link itself is not eliminated, I don't mind. I looked the tag up in the help section and didn't find how to use it. Perhaps you can help. --Toscanaman 11:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The reference to the court decision was already there. I moved it up to the word "decision" now.--Toscanaman 00:54, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

You proposed: I was thinking, what do you think about merging the Ownership and litigation information back into the Rediscovery of the wreck as a summary and moving the Ownership and litigation into a brand new article about RMS Titanic Inc.? MechBrowman 23:45, 4 February 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Toscanaman"

Not a bad idea. Let me find the time to do it well. Or do you already have a concrete proposal? You can contact me on skype chat, user toscana --Toscanaman 15:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

 * See reply on my page. --Toscanaman 09:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Although I supported your deletion of the controversy section, I disagree wholeheartedly with the removal of the deleted scenes and spoofs sections as there are plenty of less-notable films that include them. I have started a snap poll on the Talk Page. I invite you to state your case (perhaps citing Wikipedia policy if available) as to why these sections are "unencyclopaedic". I have seen people try to argue (without success) that film and TV articles en masse are unencyclopaedic. 23skidoo 05:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Philly meetup
Hi! There will be a Wikipedia Meetup in Philadelphia on 4 November. If you're interested in coming, RSVP by editing Meetup/Philadelphia 2 to reflect the likelihood of your being able to attend. If you have any questions, feel free to ask my talk page. Hopefully, we'll all see you (and each other) on the 4th! --evrik 16:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Titanic head on sugestion
Hello u aked in the RMS Titanic discussion of whether the ship going head on at the collision would have saved it, but personally i don't think so. the ship was sailing at 21.5 knots and the iceberg weighed about 270.000 tonnes so at that speed the iceberg would have went through the ship and punctured about ten compartments, and the bridge and the wireless room would have been flooded in seconds, leaving no chance of an SOS, so in my opinion it was better to try and avoid it. If you have comments about this scenario let me know B06Todd.

AfD nomination of Titanic alternative theories
I have nominated Titanic alternative theories, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Titanic alternative theories&. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. ScienceApologist (talk) 19:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC) ScienceApologist (talk) 19:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

An RfC that you may be interested in...
As one of the previous contributors to Infobox film or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a RfC started on the talk page as to implementation of previously deprecated parameters. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!
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GADEROS

GADEROS (Galileo Demonstrator for Railway Operation System) is a study sponsored by the European Commission with the purpose to make use of the Galileo Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) when it becomes functional in 2008.

Current terrestrial railroad tracking systems require huge distances as safety margins. This leads to lower freight and passenger throughput.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pia cammarata

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. jni 09:19, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pia cammarata
Another apparent prank article (was today a school holiday someplace?)--zero hits for "Pia Cammarata" "My Life so Far". From article: "In essence, these people (in fact the group has only one member at the moment) are pushing towards a little-person state, in which voting is replaced with 'measuring', and the smallest person 'wins'." Ye-aaahhhh. Ha ha. Niteowlneils 01:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Delete this prank. Bart133 (t) 03:41, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It just makes me shake my head. Zzyzx11 05:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Okay, I'll be creative and call this piece of fiction "original research". --Deathphoenix 06:30, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nonsense. Trilobite (Talk) 10:42, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jayjg (talk) 05:28, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. And speedify? Irpen 07:18, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)


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Summary
This image is a cover of the album Fashion Nugget by Cake. Its inclusion here is claimed as fair use because:
 * It illustrates educational articles about the album from which the cover illustration was taken.
 * The image is used as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic.
 * It is a low resolution image.
 * The image is only a small portion of the commercial product.
 * It is not replaceable with an uncopyrighted or freely copyrighted image of comparable educational value.
 * The use of the cover will not affect the value of the original work or limit the copyright holder's rights or ability to distribute the original.

The use of the cover illustration is in good faith, and its inclusion enhances the quality of the article without reducing the commercial value of the recording from which it was drawn.

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Ryszard Stanibuła

Ryszard Zbigniew Stanibuła was born in 1950 Rachanie and was a member of the Polish People's Party. He earned a Veterinary Degree from the Agricultural Academy in Lublin in the year 1976. He later studied Agricultural Law at University Carnio in France. Stanibula began serving as a congressman in 1993. He has served since then, taking a small break during 1997 and 1998. He is notable as the very active having received the most votes in any election since the death of Ryszard Bondyra. For example, during his Third term, Ryszard Stanibula spoke 250 times for his region. In the Second, Third and Fourth Sejm RP Stanibula represented the Lublin District. He is also a member of the National Fire Department Union.

title: Ryszard Stanibuła