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User talk:Stude62/archive0

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Fighting to keep salacious rumors away from the Harding legacy.

My apologies. By the way, you may conveniently sign your messages in Talk pages by typing four tildas: ~. It will produce your signature with timestamp, like mine: Mikkalai 20:25, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Re: Methodist Episcopalians
Happy to remove the VfD listing now. It is policy, however, that only a VfD nominator can remove a VfD listing early, and I objected to having had that done. That was why I ennumerated the article's faults in a somewhat exaggerated manner. My irritation was directed more at the insulting "clearly mistaken" characterization of the listing. When the article came in, the lack of encyclopedic format ("Raggedy Ann, a doll popular in the United States and Britian in the 20th century" before a more sequential history) meant that it took a very long time to tease out the central importance of the figure. That left me reading quickly, saying, "What is this?" and then hitting the typo of "wife" for "life." That prompted the VfD listing. (If you read new pages for any length of time, you get quick on the trigger.) I regret the ire, and I wholeheartedly welcome the article, as well as any editor who can contribute to any ecclesiastical history. (Feel free to see my user page for some of the ecclesiastical topics that I've written about.) Again, apologies for the thundering about, and please don't take it personally. Also, at the time you created the article, I had no way to contact you directly. Geogre 01:00, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Re: Call for Help
At first, thanks for responding to my greeting. It's nice to know my greetings are appreciated.

You asked me to help you about the above mentioned article. I started checking the facts as soon as i read that, but that took some time as i was too busy to check wikipedia for a few days. Sorry for that. Fortunately, the thing has resolved itself by now. I met Geogre bevore on the wikipedia, and i think he's a nice guy. I hope you will forgive him. BTW i was very impressed to see your user contribution, you've been really busy doing good work these days! I always like to help others here, but it would be very kind of you to sign your question next time you ask one, and to add a wikilink to the article the thing is all about. I had to look up your name in the history, and without the comment from Geogre on your usertalk page it would have been difficult to impossible to find out about what article you're talking. I'm only saying this to help you make yourself understood better next time, by no means as a pun. Just recently i had to be reminded how some things work here lol. I hope you don't let all this take the fun out of wikipedia for you. We're all humans. All the best, Lady Tenar 18:53, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Chadwick
Rather appropriate additions to Cassie Chadwick, I'd say - Skysmith 08:07, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Comment by 132.236.38.114 - 16:10, 3 Jan 2005
The following comment was place on my user page, and I have moved it here and address it here:

''Ohio Wesleyan University was never affiliated with the M.E. Church. It is loosely affiliated with the United Methodist Church. Only three out of 30something trustees are from the West and East Ohio Methodist Conferences. That's the "affiliation" of OWU with the Methodist Church. If you are on campus, you will not feel it.''

Over the last several days we've had a lot on interaction. Not only have I turned the article over to arbitration, but I have also contacted the OWU Presidents office regarding the article on the school. I expect that the Public Relations Department will get involved - hopefully this will result in a MAJOR overhaul of the entry and make it factual.

As for your comments on the Methodist Episcopal Church (which you have called bizarre in other forums), it not only shows that you don't know very much about church history and the schisms within the church, but it also indicates that there is a schism between what I know is fact and what you believe is fact.

To me, you have demonstrated that you are more interested in getting your own way then you are in writing fact driven article on the topic.

Also, please sign your comments when you make them. "[[user: stude62"]] 15:16, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Stude62 - just to note: as far as I know, you can't vote on your own nominations in the VfD process. I removed your vote and added your signature to the nomination (which also needs to be there). I hope that was ok. — Asbestos | Talk 10:49, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks Asbestos...I'm still feeling my way around everything[[user: stude62 talk:stude62]] 00:00, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Clamshell wagons
Thanks for the added info on the clamshells in the station wagon article. I didn't know there was a manual version. I remember that tailgate as being about as big as a Mini, so it's not surprisng that the manual gate didn't catch on. RivGuySC 16:55, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the tip-o-the-hat. They were cumbersome, and I'm being kind.  If the motion was strictly upward, that would be one thing, but the arch of the track made it a major pain.  Oh, if they got stuck (manual or automatic) that was a nightmare as well.  But if I could find one (automatic)in good condition I'd buy it in a second. user: stude62 talk:stude62 18:51, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Welcome, and an image permissions question.
Welcome to the Wikipedia; I've liked what I've seen!

One question, though: you have placed no license information on a few images, such as Image:Studewagonaire63.jpg. We require images to have source information and information as to the license under which they are available, so we can be sure we have the rights to use the image. —Morven 23:56, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment! I'm working on getting the license tags in order.  While the processes seem to clear, I'm having a difficult time remembering all of the steps.
 * For Image:Studebakerlark.jpg, you have claimed that the copyright holder released this image into public domain. Why do you believe this to be the case? Did you create the image? It is certainly not old enough to be copyright expired. Rmhermen 01:10, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe it to be a Studebaker image from Lark advertising. It would be a justifiable fair use claim, in my opinion, but releasing it as a promo image does not make it PD. —Morven 01:13, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Gentlemen, then I have made an error. The ad is from 1959.  The company is out of the Car Making business, what do you suggest? user: stude62 talk:stude62 01:15, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I would suggest making a Fair Use claim. I can also provide other Lark images since I have photographed several Studebaker shows in the Southern California area ... —Morven 01:18, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you Morven. I'm more than willing to accept help from someone.  How do I make the fair use claim.  I hate to sound stupid, but I am still feeling my way about and I really do appreciate any help of links.  Again, thank you. user: stude62 talk:stude62 01:23, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * See Image copyright tags (fair use is ) and you need to add your reasoning about why it is fair use. Public domain because of copyright expiration is for works before 1935. Just because the original company went bankrupt doesn't mean that the rights were not bought by another company. Look at the many owners of Avanti after Studebacker went under. Rmhermen 01:37, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * AFAIR, public domain because of copyright expiration is possible up through the mid 1960s; works after that date were automatically copyright-extended to full term. —Morven 01:45, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Correct, the pictures are probably out-of-copyright but it is rather hard to track down an individual work. This page gives details on the exact U.S. issues. It is 1923 in the U.S. for automatic public domain and it seems less than 15% of works between 1923 and 1963 are still copyrighted. Rmhermen 02:25, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a lot easier to see if a printed work is out of copyright than an image, unfortunately, since copyright renewals for images are generally "hidden" within the work in which they were first published, and even if the copyright is explicitly renewed for the image alone, one has to know its title. —Morven 05:56, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I added an example fair use rationale there. Basically, for fair use, read the Wikipedia article on it and try to justify fair use based on that.  In general, promotional images are fairly easy because the original intent was to be widely used and the images were given away to news services, etc. Make sure you agree with what's written there! —Morven 01:43, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

Morven, thank you! I now see what I need to do! I guess the problem that I get into is that many of wiki guidelines are so involved, they almost need an "Executive Summary". Best Wishes, user: stude62 talk:stude62

Rmhermen, thank you too! I do appreciate guidence such as you have given me. I have learned from this error, but if I commit it again, PLEASE let me know so I can take car of it. Best Wishes, user: stude62 talk:stude62

Email
(copied over from other page)

 * Asbestos - Is there anyway that I can send you an email?

Did you happen to check my User page? Also, even had I not posted it, you can email anyone at Wikipedia by clicking on the "E-Mail this User" link on the toolbar to the left of any User Page (on my skin, at least). Oh, and Welcome!, by the way (since I see noone has yet posted you a welcome message). — Asbestos | Talk 01:52, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * PS: So you're signature is now ok, then? I didn't even notice that I was posting in the wrong page. I don't see your email yet, but should do so tomorrow (bed time now in Soctland).   — Asbestos | Talk 02:03, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Just sent it through Wikipedia. Have a good night, user: stude62 user talk:stude62
 * Sorry, haven't received anything. I just checked the link myself, though, so it should work. Emailing to the address listed on my user page should definately work, though.   — Asbestos | Talk 13:06, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Just sent it through again through the Wiki link. This is an internet link that I really think that you will find as interesting as it is enlightening.  user: stude62 user talk:stude62 16:33, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re: VfD / Ohio Wesleyan Buildings
Articles usually stay up on VfD for around about five days. Information on the VfD policy can be found at Deletion policy. Don't worry about multiple votes — this type of voting is known as "sockpuppet voting" and is watched against. Annonymous IP votes are normally discarded and evidence of multiple user accounts usually invalidates votes as well. Exactly which otes to keep, as well as what course of action is taken after to vote, is up to the admin who counts the votes. — Asbestos | Talk 16:08, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reference desk
Please use the reference desk to ask questions - not write articles with big messages. I found the information to fix Continental engine and Lycoming Engine with one Google search each and from pages on the first page of results. If you can't determine it yourself, you can always ask at the Reference desk. Rmhermen 19:26, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * You can sign your signature with four tildes ( ~ ) if you are logged in.

 * Rmhermen - Thank you for the information. I was under the impression that placing the article in the ( auto-stub ) would have indicated that I couldn't find the information and that I was hoping that others could help out and help expand the article.  I tried to make it clear on the discussion page for both entries that I had limited information.  I did run the google search and I did find the article in question under Continental MOTORS - my bad, I was looking for engines.  Again, thank you for your assistence. user: stude62 user talk:stude62 20:32, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
Thanks for popping by the Automobiles discussion page—I've seen a few of your edits and it's great to have another motorhead on board! Stombs 09:52, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the encouragment! I love getting information and putting it together, but I am horrible about spelling and grammar - part of the joy of having a learning disability.  Again, though, thanks for the encouragement...  user: stude62 user talk:stude62 14:30, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Stude62—no probs on the grammar and spelling as I work in newspapers and magazines and help others edit their work. :) Stombs 02:33, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Peer review/Ohio Wesleyan University/archive1
Hi, I'm about to shift this to the archives. Are you still working on this or actioning it? I haven't seen a comment in a while! - Ta bu shi da yu 01:06, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for looking over this, and looking this over. I think for now it looks as if its stable, and I think the number of people who have given the constructive contributions have really helped to improve the NPOV aspect of this.  Since there is a documented effort by one person to tailor the article to suit his own ego, if he starts on the article again, can resubmit this to peer review if efforts are made to return the article to its former aggrandized state, yes? user: stude62 user talk:stude62 02:35, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Comment from Hotspur, relocated to talk page.
Hello.

I am the guy who wrote the Starlight Coupe article. It was all original and not available elsewhere. Why replace it with something from somewhere else.

I own a Starlight Coupe. Am a punlished author. Am an authority on Studebakers and I think had interesting things to say about the Starlight Coupe.

Why just reference other material?

 * Hotspur, you had wonderful things to say about the Starlight, and they were interesting. My concern was that they weren't as well said as they could be in order to keep the article as focused on the writing focused on the car itself and keep the article within Neutral Point of View (NPOV) standards.  So I took what you contributed, corrected two minor factual errors and then added in material gleaned from another printed resource to give fact checkers something to tie the article back to.  Have you visited How to write a great article yet?  Also, I've moved the above referenced section to my talk page, which is the best place for comments and questions.  Finally, did you know that you can sign your name on Wikipedia by typing four tildas (ex: ~ ); as a courtesy please sign your name whenever you leave a comment or posting on a discussion page.  Again, I like your contributions - the world needs more Studebaker fans!  Best regards, user: stude62 user talk:stude62 21:30, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You didn't edit the article you completely replaced it. I recognise most of what you put in because I've read the article it was based on though not recently. No, that's it. There was no article on the Starlight Coupe - I made one and was summarily punted. This was about my tenth article. This for me destroys all the enjoyment. I expect this act to be my last with Wikipedia.--Hotspur 22:19, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Hotspur- This really concerns me, because all I did was check facts and contribute what I know from being a Studebaker fan since I was wee high.  If you're implying that I plagerized something, then I would like to know what the extact name of the "article" is that feel that I lifted material from, so I can review it and get it corrected.

 * As for the editing, I did remove your lengthy preamble to the article because it got in the way of the information on the Starlight. As a body paragraph, it would be fine - re-edit it back in under a background section, but it took long to get to the heart of the article.  If you look at any automobile listing that I work on, my format is the same in each one, per wikipedia guidelines to state what it is (Starliner), what it did (unique body style) and how it got there (produced by the Studebaker Corporation from 1947 to 1952).

 * As for the the two errors, they were 1) Studebaker used the Starliner to denote the 1953-54 Hardtop Loewy coupe, not "Starlight", which was used on the pillered model, and 2) the Starlight name was last used in 1958, not 1954, and even I had to go back for a check on that. I also added in the best description of the structure of the roof that I could.  I also listed the immediate reference book that I had with me when I made the edit - I don't always have my 12+ Studebaker technical books with me at all times.  I should also point out that I just got the most recent copy of Collectible Automobile, but haven't read the article on the bullit nose 50-51 Stude's as of yet; everything I know about them I learn on my Uncle Bob's car.

 * Again, my intent is not to offend, but help get it right. user: stude62 user talk:stude62 00:50, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Offer
I'd like to congratulate you for discussing things with Rananim. I was hoping you two would engage in discussion and I'm happy to see you are doing that. Remember to be civil at all times (regardless of the response). It'll be easier to get your point across. Don't hesitate to contact me if the discussion stalls. In that case I'll see if I can help you reach an agreement.

P.S. You may want to take a look at your signature and fix it. It is missing some caps and has some extra spaces. :) Mgm|(talk) 22:16, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Possible request for help
I'm happy to keep an eye on the situation, although I'm not sure how much help I can be of. For the time being, Requests for comment/Stude62 is incomplete and has not been listed on WP:RFC. My only advise is to keep your cool, no matter what. SamH|Talk 00:23, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sam. If I react as he wants me too, then he wins. As for help, you've seen my auto project contributions, kind words are always moral boosters. user: stude62 user talk:stude62 00:26, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

AMC template
The reason why I got rid of the AMC Eagle SX/4 on the template was because the SX/4 was never sold as a standalone model; it was simply a performance-oriented trim level of the Eagle. Also, when you reverted the template back to your version, you also reverted some beneficial changes to the template. Please don't revert it back without incorporating some of the better changes I made. --ApolloBoy 00:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Then you will have to detail those changes because evidently they were not all that evident. I much prefer working with you, but I do not understand the "shortness" of the above comments, nor do I feel that they are warranted. I could have instructed you not to change the template without discussing the idea with me first, or at the very least an explaination of changes that you made without the courtesy of letting me know, but I respect your contributions. If you'd like to take the cooperative route in this, I'd prefer that to being ordered by you to do, or not to do something in the future. Stude62 01:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, for one, I fixed some errors you made while making the template. For example, you didn't leave enough space between the spacers (e.g. " this | that ") and you accidentally included the manufacturer's name for both the AMC Ambassador and the Renault Encore. Also, when you reverted it, you also forgot to add in the AMC Matador, which I added in. BTW, I had no idea the Metropolitian was sold by AMC, so forgive me for omitting it from the list.
 * Hope that explains everything. =) --ApolloBoy 01:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, thats better. Look, I really respect your talents, but the original post hit me wrong. Stude62 01:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Explorer
Hi, Stude62. I see you edited the Ford Explorer, but I am still not of the opinion that it should be mentioned on the list so, if you don't mind I am going to remove the Explorer from the list. Thank you.  Signature brendel  04:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Brendel- Thats fine. I was just trying to clean up what Karmann posted.  What is on the list isn't an issue for me, however how it is listed (hyperspeak, etc.) is a huge issue.  But thanks for the heads up! Stude62 15:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations
Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it! I've just been so amazed with all the high quality work you've done regarding post-war cars, that I thought it was time you deserved a Barnstar. =)--ApolloBoy 01:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

About Take Me Higher...
Ever since you posted another warning on his talk page, I've noticed he's been uploading more poor quality images and essentially ignoring our requests for higher quality pictures. Do you think it would be appropriate to place an RfC on him now? --ApolloBoy 05:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've been thinking the same thing. I've been thinking about this along the lines of:
 * 1) the quality of the images, which are consistently poor;
 * 2) the file size of the images, which are way too big;
 * 3) the number of unsourced images;
 * 4) the user's unresponsiveness to items on his post page;
 * 5) the user's unfamiliarity with Wikipedia basics (how to sign talk pages, etc.)
 * but... I also think that the RfC has to also emphasize that this user has a very evident passion for the topic. Personally, I really believe that in their mind that they are attempting to make a positive contribution.  Unfortunatly, he/she is doing it in a manner that is without improvement, even an attempted improvement.  One other thing, is there anything that we can extend to the user that can be of supportive benefit to them if they indicate that they are willing to work towards improvement?  Again, let me know what you decide to do. Stude62 13:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Edsel
Actually, the reson I switched templates was that the combination was terribly ugly. Actually, though, the problem wouldreside in edsel itself, which I will now proceed to rework.Circeus 21:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Maybe it's just me, but larger templates should not appear above smaller one. Circeus 21:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Visual consistency is still good. Check the new version. It doesn't hog screenspace anymore. Circeus 22:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Edsel wagons
I don't understand why you reverted my change. What did you mean by "with a station wagon, it is implied that the vehicle has a tailgate unlike a four-door sedan with a hatchgate"? The reason I made the change in the first place, was to point out that the Roundup was a two door model. I thought that was an interesting detail, since almost all station wagons are four-doors. (Please reply here) Freekee 04:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Because when you name things, the name tells people what they need to know. The definition of a station wagon is "n. An automobile having an extended interior with a third seat or luggage platform and a tailgate." So while telling people how many doors the vehicle has applies to passenger doors, it is unnecessary to also add that a station wagon as a rear gate as well. The gate is part of the definition.  Now when one talks about the Mazda 6, this is a range that includes a four-door sedan, station wagon, and five-door sedan (the fifth door denotes that this is a hatchback). Stude62 15:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, that's fine. I wasn't really sure whether to refer to it as a four-door or a five-door, as I've seen sometimes, so I put in the parenthetical note about the tailgate, to clarify. If you say that's not necessary, that's good enough for me. But I'd like to differentiate between the two-door and foor door wagons, like was done for the other models. Freekee 17:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

RfC
Whatever you think is best. I really don't like the idea of an RfC either but we've given multiple warnings and Take Me Higher hasn't stopped. I too have become annoyed with Take Me Higher's unwillingness discuss it. If I had to choose between yes or no, I'd probably say yes there should be an RfC because even digital camera images of better quality presented by Take Me Higher and other users are still of inferior quality than promotional images found on the manufacturers or consumer websites. Bavaria 17:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems as if Take Me Higher has stopped uploading images as of late. --ApolloBoy 01:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Now it looks like TMH has started uploading images again, what do you think of the new ones? --ApolloBoy 01:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've already listed TMH here, I need you to help me out with the actual RfC. Also, thanks for your input on the recent images; I agree with you on how the overall quality of his images hasn't changed much. --ApolloBoy 02:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea to me. --ApolloBoy 23:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Jim Petro
Greetings, Stude62! Thanks very much for your praise. Glad to see someone's noticing my labors here. I see what you mean about this article. It looks like a rehash of an official biography. It does need work. However, to research it to the level I'd like is a big undertaking because Petro has been in public life for so long and the number of articles the databases will turn up will be staggering. I can't promise anything, but I will try to do something with it--at the very least rewrite this. However, my main project right at the moment is my revision of my Bricker Amendment article, which I am completely rewriting in the hopes of sending it to FAC. Did you see my article on the incumbent lieutenant governor, Bruce Johnson, is now a featured article? PedanticallySpeaking 16:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC) (P.S. How, when your main interest is apparently cars, did you come to this particular article?)
 * Stumbled on Petro from Paul Hackett's article. Used to work in DeWine's Congressional office in 1983 - I was a student from Muskingum College on Honors at American University. Paul and I were in the same Seminar and the lot of us used to hang out together.  So when Paul was planning on running against Mike, it set up quite a quandry. Stude62 17:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

user:207.164.171.148
You asked, "Given the activity today, do you feel that its likely that this IP address will get blocked?" Well, the first thing I notice is that none of this person's edits are classic vandalism. For someone like me who knows nothing about automobiles, I can't even be sure that they're illegitimate. Obviously, this user has a serious problem with sources, and needs to be yelled at again about how rude it is to make edits without explanation. I took on a guy like that recently who was messing with Cincy articles. I only got him blocked when he started leaving insulting messages. If they don't reveal themselves like that, though, there's pretty much no case for blocking someone for WP:CITE violations. --M @ r ē ino 22:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Old archives
Just wanted to drop a note and let you know that I moved an old Talk page you had archived at Wikipedia talk:Stude62/archive1 to your own user space instead at /archive0. Didn't think you'd mind. You might want to request a speedy delete on the old page by placing this tag on it (with your own explanation, of course):  . (Right now it's a redirect to the new location.) Have a great day! :-) ⇒ BRossow T/C 14:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikifying dates

 * Hi, I saw the edits that you made on the DeSoto (automobile) article. Just as a heads up, we generally do not wiki-link dates unless there is a reason to do so that is relevant to material in the article itself.  Over linking can be distracting for the reader. Stude62 20:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. Thanks for your note. You're right that it was a bit much. I've gone through different phases of turning dates into links, and it seems every phase has met with someone's objection. :-) At first, I made everything a link, including month-day dates, year-only dates, and month-day-year dates. Then I got the idea that that was a bit much, and so I started only making the first mention of each date in an article a link—or the first mention in a long while if it had occurred earlier in the article but much earlier. But, then, I noticed that not linking years in month-day-year dates meant that the date formatting wasn't being changed according to the reader's date preference. So my practice now is to link only the first mention of a date when it's JUST a year, but to link every date that is in the complete, month-day-year form. Anyway: Thanks again. President Lethe 21:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 1. You're right about the DeSoto article; my edit resulted in too many year links.
 * 2. I buy two arguments about distraction: one is that too many links in the text are annoying; the other is that it's annoying to be curious about a term (even a date) in an article and to have to look it up manually instead of just clicking on a cross-reference. I try to balance these.
 * 3. If I get too explanatory in this note, just ignore it. I tend to be this way.
 * Eh, don't mention it. Keep up the good work ;-) Stude62 00:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that so I didn't have to do it ... AGAIN. BTW, did you get my email? ⇒ BRossow T/C 12:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Shooting break
Okay, I see its an old term. I added a mention that its not commonly used anymore. I'm from Germany and spend lots of time in the benelux and have never heard the term to describe a, say, 1999 E-Class Wagon. I didn't know it was only used in reference to the old woodies. I just don't want a Candian or American tourist going to Eurocar rental at Schiphol airport and ask for a shooting break ;-) Thanks. Regards,  Signature brendel  14:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No biggie! Stude62 15:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Re : Request blocking a user for vandalism
Saw your question on Johnleemk's talkpage, so thought I may answer on his behalf. Yes they can be blocked again, so long as they are issued another warning after the block has expired, and the vandalism continues. You can report them at Administrator intervention against vandalism, in which any sysop will sort out the rest for you. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 16:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Marshall Teague edit
I didn't mean to offend, apologies for that.

It seemed to me that, most likely, Category:Racecar drivers was more specific than Category:Automotive related biography. And then, taken another step further, that NASCAR/F1 were more specific than Category:Automotive related biography. Does those seem inaccurate?

It's a new category, its role is still open to interpretation, I think. Please feel free to explain what your intentions/interpretations of the category are. I don't really want to twist it to any specific meaning, though I think the naming can imply what I was saying above.

Also, I'm trying to create Category:Automotive people stubs right now, and if these new categories overlap a little bit, then whatever Category:Automotive related biography is interpretted as may affect the stub category too. --Interiot 02:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem - you didn't offend - just over-wikified my brain yesterday and why, I'll never know. Actually your approach makes the most sense, but I still feel that there should be a classification for executives, designers and those whose particpation in the busines drove (in the figurative) the auto industry. Unlike other drivers of the era, Teague was different. But I'll go along with your approach. Stude62 14:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I left more comments for you on the article's talk page. Royalbroil 03:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Edsel articles
Hi there again, I went through the Edsel articles today and made some great improvements to them. Please respond if I missed something or reworded something incorrectly. Thanks! --ApolloBoy 03:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair use
Firstly, you should assume good faith, and not revert my edits until you've left a message. Secondly, read WP:FUC. Our fair use policy isn't based solely on law, and it specifically bans the use of fair use images on templates (#9). ed g2s • talk 20:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think you should assume good faith as well by clearly commenting on your edits. Secondly, I have gone through the policy and it doesn't speak to logos of defunct corporations. So I would ask before you remove these that the matter be put up for discussion. In several of the templates, your removal of the logo also removed the text for which the logo is for.  I understand that policies need to be enforce, but I feel that the manner in which you did it, without discussion was the wrong approach. Stude62 21:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Defunct corporations' logos are still fair use, the policy talks about how to treat fair use images, not what a fair use image is. Brief edit comments have nothing to do with bad faith. ed g2s • talk 21:11, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Defunct coprorations have no legal standing - they cease to exist under US law. And yes, I consider abbreviations on edit comments to be bad faith, especially when someone has spent a great deal of time working on something only to see it removed without any explaination. Showing good faith would have been to have at least dropped something on the items talk page explaining your action, something that you failed to do in your haste to wipe the image off. May I suggest that you place yourself in other people's shoes and view the action from their standpoint. As it is, I viewed your action as arbitrary as it was handled. Stude62 21:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * When you don't understand someone's edit, you should ask, not revert. The logo of a defunct corportaion will still not be usuable. And yes, I was batch editing about 30 similar templates at the time, so it was would've taken too much time. ed g2s • talk 21:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * And when you go in and alter something, you have a responsbility to clarify why you are doing this. Taken too much time? Since when are good manners not important, and not part of Wikipedia? If you value efficiency over helping people understand why doing something, you will find no support from me on that matter. As far as winning me over with your arguments, you've lost that opportunity. Stude62 21:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry you misinterpreted the tone of my comment and took offence. I have a lot of respect for the work you do, and some close family friends are autistic, so to say that I am being cruel is rather insensitive. I was pointing out that your argument about the need for images to help autistic children is not a valid one, and for those who don't need the visual cue - it is also invalid. ed g2s • talk 19:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me try an explain this as best as I can. You have a habit of placing a great deal on the shoulders of others and taking on very little responsibility for your own actions. When it came to removing the images without even a courtesy note on that template's talk page, I, according to you, was at fault because I couldn't understand your shorthand and then you accussed me of showing bad faith. When it comes to alternative forms of learn, you refuse to even consider the other person's plight, instead you state its not Wikipedia's job to be a teaching tool. When it came to my reading your words as they read, even though you apologize, you do so at my expense.  As a Syops, you have to have the maturity to play by the rules that you expect others to play by, and you have demonstrate the ability to think qualitativly, not just quantitativly. Frankly, I have the impression that you see the world as you do and expect everyone else to do the same. I've really spent as much time on this as I care to. I wish you well in life. Stude62 19:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "I, according to you, was at fault", your fault was reverting before asking. If one is confused by someone else 'sedits, they should try and understand them before reverting them. That is what I meant by "assume good faith". To say that I don't consider another person's plight is a tad unfair. I think Gmaxwell has addressed this issue well on my talk page. ed g2s • talk
 * I'm sorry, but you altered the template without any kind explaination on the talk page, because, as you put it it would have taken too much time. I reverted it because it looked like vandalism. Is it my fault that I don't have access to your set of expectations and mannerism, hardly. Again, I wish you well in life. As for Gmaxwell's comments, they are his, that you feel vindicated by them isn't surprising, they support you. Now once again, I wish you well. Stude62 23:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Stude62, excuse me for being so straightforward about it, but I think you got a bit too emotional about this issue, which easily distracts the attention from the actual topic of the discussion (or is a good reason to "forget" important vital arguments and not discuss about them). I understand you totally and feel sorry that you had to be upset and partially offended during this debate. Nevertheless, I think that nobody wants the essence of this discussion to get lost under "personal attack" labelling.
 * I also want to state that I find it inappropriate to remove all images from templates en masse without, as I assume, formally warning the Wikipedians involved in their creation and development - I see no warning on talk pages of the templates I checked, and also the WikiProject Automobiles, which groups the Wikipedians concerned. It was a mass deletion aimed specifically at all, which is evident when you check the logo on the Template:General Motors brands, which by mistake was not included in this group. Previously warning Wikipedians concerned, in order for them to be able to discuss the matter and, if necessary, elaborate substitute solutions, would have been much more appropriate IMHO. --Bravada 23:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No, you aren't being forward, you are being quite correct and a good friend for doing so. I am withdrawing from this discussion on fair use, because I really feel that regardless of what happens, Wikipedia users won't be served well. Good manners prevents me from placing my feelings about the other person on a Wikipedia page, suffice it to say that I am thinking of a particular Dorothy Parker quote at this moment involving thorns. Stude62 00:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Stude62, thank you for the barnstar. I am happy that you found my argument appropriate, but I don't think this really deserves any special recognition. I don't feel like I did anything else that everybody else in the discussion. Feel free to remove the barnstar and save for the time when I will really deserve one (which I hope to one day ;). --Bravada 19:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I will not remove it. What you said was accurate, and very kind; it deserves recognition. Stude62 19:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Stude62, I want to thank you for your email here. I tried to reply by email too, but for some reason my email server seems unable to deliver the message. Anyway - I hope you had a Happy Easter :D Bravada 12:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Gremlin mid-size v. compact
Copied from User talk:Rsduhamel

I have reverted your addition to the Gremlin article that mentions a mid-size Hornet. The Gremlin was was a subcompact, and the Hornet was classified as a compact in 1970 based on the Government (and insurance company) standards of the day. I suggest that you add the mid-size discussion as a footnote, noting that based on current "day standards..." Stude62 12:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

 * If this is correct (and I'm not disputing it) the articles on car sizes should be clearly edited to note the changes in standards over the years. I'm basing my arguement that the Hornet was a mid-size car because the wheelbase is the primary standard cited in the Wikipedia articles. Consistancy would help. Rsduhamel 01:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand. But I really think that the statement should be on the Hornet page, not the Gremlin. Stude62 02:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Troublesome image uploading user
I feel your pain. For a mediation to begin, the user must be willing to communicate with other users. We do not even start a mediation unless at least two opposed parties agree to mediate. I would start off by putting a message on the user's discussion page. If no response, let us know, and you will go to a RFC. Fahrenheit451 20 April 2006
 * OK, will try it. I really do not want an RfC if at all possible, Stude62 01:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Take Me Higher RfC
I personally have trouble making sense of a lot of TakeMeHigher edits. On one hand, his written edits tend to be mostly good, while others are not. He recently added a made-up nonsense statment to the Lincoln LS article, but two days later revamp the Lexus GS article and did a good job. Of course then there is the picture issue. He has actually uploaded one good picture to the Lincoln Town Car article (1985 TC), but overall seems to ignore requests for his pictures to be of higher quiality or add appropriate copyright tags. I find many of edits to contradict themselves in terms of quality. As you have presented TakeMeHigher with the problem and possiblity of an RfC I think we should wait a day (if he continues to contribute, meaning he is likely to have read the comment). Otherwise I will support your argument as his bad picture uploads seem (and the fact that he doesn't respond to them) seem to outweigh his good edits. Sharing your concern,  Signature brendel  23:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Automobile image quality standards
I welcome your input on WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions. --SFoskett 18:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Question
I have a similar issue, but I don't know where to go with it, so let me seek advice of a more senior collague :D Now, User:Shyrish surfaced on April 18th and began editing Japanese vehicles articles by adding links to a site called "amayama.com". He also did two or three minor edits to body texts and also informed the viewers of the Isuzu Aska articles that "Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Methane" (sic!), but that's not that important here.

My problem is that "my" Isuzu articles already contained links to specs on Histomobile, Carfolio or Global Car Locator, which find usually more informative and more user-friendly than Amayama. He seems really inclined on including those amayama references in articles of his choice, but to me it looks like an attempt to promote the site. What would you advise me to do? --Bravada 13:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

 * You've have a couple options:

 * First I'd place a question on his talk page and ask hime why he made the edit and then wait 24 hours; if there is no response, then I would revert the edit and do a follow-up posting stating why you made the revert.
 * Second, if you believe that the edit is attempting to promote something commercial, do the revert and simply state "Revert edit by XXXXX" and then let them know why you believe that the link was commercial and how Wikipedia doesn't allow for the promotion of a product or service, or allow articles to be used for the purose of promotion. If you do this, then you have to provide a link to the appropriate Wikipedia policy.

 * I would also invite him to discuss this with you. If he keeps inserting the site, and you feel its a problem, you can also do a request for comment on the article and see what that proffers.
 * I really hate RfC's on people though - I was shallaced in our a year ago by a user and his sock puppets, so I know that they can get really ugly. So if I did one on TMH, I'd want it carefully controlled so that the matter stays on the issue of poor images and communication problems.

 * As for the Methane, thats pure vandalism. Stude62 13:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Thx, I will just do that. No-brainer, shouldn't have bothered you... As concerns Methane, it's not vandalism I believe, it's amateur editing (who can't be accused of some) with a very funny result, if you like absurd humour :D --Bravada 14:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Response
Stude62, I responded to your comments on my talkpage. Scheinwerfermann 14:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

RFC for TAke Me Higher
I have filed an RFC report against Take Me Higher.Please help me fill it out. --Karrmann
 * OK, Stude62, I wholeheartedly agree with you guys. The Dodge Ram image is the absolute low bottom here! I hope I signed in the right place - please tell me if it's not the case (I didn't have any direct issues with TMH concerning images, but he sometimes edited articles I have on my watchlist with mixed results, to say the least) [[Image:Icons-mini-action_go.gif]] Bravada [[Image:Icons-mini-comment yellow.gif]] Talk to me! 19:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Stude62, the RfC looks fine. Good on putting the evidence images there. They are clearly amateurish snapshots. Fahrenheit451 20:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Take me higher
It was just a comment, I wasn't endorsing the RFC. The instructions said to put non-endorsements on the talk page. If you want to mention it somewhere on the RFC itself, go ahead. Phr 00:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't asking for an endorsement of the RfC, I was inviting you to add the comment to RFC page. If you'll look towards the end of the page there is a place for outside comments, and adding this comment there would neither endorse or otherwise state disapproval, its simply a place on the page for these types of comments. Stude62 02:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

car photos
I have to raise a specific technical point about one of your comments to Take Me Higher: I think there's general policy over on Commons that all images should be uploaded at the highest resolution available, not scaled down as you suggested. Yes, that burns disk space on the server, but the cost of disk space these days is near zero. It doesn't take any extra download time for users reading articles (assuming they're presented at reasonable size), since the versions displayed in articles are scaled on the server side and the user only sees the much smaller version. So I hope you'll upload your own images at full resolution if you haven't been doing that. Phr 01:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I really have to invite you state your comments on the RfC talk page. Keeping all of the discussions in one area benefits everyone, and as in the past, I encourage you to particpate in the process. Stude62 02:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I saw this particular comment as being clutter there. It's about a narrow topic not specific to the rfc.  Perhaps you could update your comment.  Phr 02:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Very well then. As for the technical merits, the user in question includes too much collateral space on their images, thus when the upload them, there is a very large image of the surroundings, rather than get in close to the subject and have it fill the frame. Secondly, the physical size of the images, for the quality of the subjects is simply too large. I agree that he should be loading them to the commons.  When I take original images myself, I will add them to the commons.  When I upload fair-use images, I'll save them Wikipedia. Stude62 02:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, fair use images have to go on en rather than commons. Yes, shots should be composed tightly when possible.  Yes, server space, while very large, is not infinite.  However I wanted to make sure you knew that large uploads doesn't mean large downloads when the shots are viewed inside articles.  See here about sizing guidelines for uploads.  Obviously for really awful shots, uploading at full res may not be worth it, but for salvageable ones, you want the best available version to start with. Phr 02:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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King Kong & D. Jungle Girls

King Kong & D. Jungle Girls was an Italian Eurobeat/Hi-NRG group formed in 1987. This Alias has been used by different Italian artists, which is very common among Eurobeat singers. To date, they have released two albums (in 1989 and 1991) as well as two compilation CDs and several singles. Several incarnations of their songs "Boom Boom Dollar" and "Walkie Talkie" have been featured in the Dance Dance Revolution video games and Dancemania compilation series and its sub-series including Speed. The English language lyrics to these songs, which bear a striking similarity to Engrish, are often misheard and largely incomprehensible to native speakers, a trait it shares with current Eurobeat music.

Members
Male Vocal: Mauro Farina ( 1988 - 1991 ), Giancarlo Pasquini ( 1991 - 1993 ).

Female Vocal: Clara Moroni, Elena Ferretti.

Albums

 * Boom Boom Dollars (1989)
 * King Kong (1991)
 * Best of (1996)
 * Boom Boom Dollar - King Kong Greatest Hits (2000)

Singles

 * "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" (1987)
 * "Lies" (1987)
 * "It's So Funny" (1988)
 * "Boom Boom Dollar" (1989)
 * "Go, Go Boy" (1989)
 * "Walkie Talkie" (1989)
 * "Soft Time" (1989)
 * "King Kong" (1990)
 * "Little Flowers" (1990)
 * "Love & American Dollars" (1990)
 * "Turn The Sound Up Higher" (1990)
 * "Bingo" (1991)
 * "Bad Man" (1991)
 * "Merry-Go-Round" (1992)
 * "Panic in New York" (1993)

Name inconsistencies
The "Jungle Girls" part of the group's name is often printed differently in English, most likely due to translation issues. While it seems to make sense (the actual printed name is "D. Jungle Girls"), it has also been printed as "The D.Jungle Girls" and most often, "D.J.Ungle Girls" or "D'Jungle Girls".

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Huntington Beach State Park

Huntington Beach State Park is a 2500 acre coastal preserve and state park near Murrells Inlet, in Georgetown County, South Carolina. It has a large sandy beach, few beach-goers, and numerous wild birds to watch over the seasons.

History
The park, originally property of Anna Hyatt Huntington and Archer M. Huntington, was leased after his death and takes its name from him. The 2500 acre (10 km2) tract was leased to the state in 1960 for use as a state park. Mrs. Huntington died in 1973. Atalaya was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1984, and was included in the designation of Atalaya and Brookgreen Gardens as a National Historic Landmark in 1984.

He and his wife's winter home, Atalaya Castle, is located in the park. Built during the Great Depression by only local workers, the residence was designed to withstand hurricanes.
 * Atalaya and Brookgreen

The studio of his wife, the noted 20th-century American sculptor Anna Hyatt Huntington, was part of the compound. Many of her significant sculptures are in nearby Brookgreen Gardens, an extension of the former Huntington estate, now a public sculpture garden.

Features
The Friends of Huntington Beach State Park offer scheduled tours of Atalaya Castle, and operate the Atalaya Visitor Center with exhibits about the house and the Huntingtons.

Birding
Local birders frequently refer to the park as "HBSP" in communications. The park features various species of birds of the Southeast coast of the United States for bird watching.

It hosts many types of ducks and waders like roseate spoonbills in winter in both fresh and saltwater marshes. It has a jetty where oceanbirds like gannets, loons, scoters and occasionally alcids like razorbills and murres can be found. The large tree swallow (Tachycineta bicolor) flocks here.

Nature Center
The Nature Center features natural history displays and live animals, including a saltwater touch tank and a live baby alligator among its exhibits. Park naturalists offer free programs about the park's wildlife and habitat. The building sits beside the salt marsh, north of the causeway entry road at Huntington Beach State Park and the park's marsh boardwalk.

The original building, was destroyed in a fire in the early morning hours on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, caused by a lightning strike. All of the animals on display within the Education Center were lost in the fire.

The Nature Center was rebuilt beginning 2019 and reopened in September 2020. It is open daily from 10-5pm.

Other park features include: the beach and jetty, hiking, and nature trails and boardwalks, the gift shop and a public campground.

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Yucca elata

Yucca elata is a perennial plant, with common names that include soaptree, soaptree yucca, soapweed, and palmella. It is native to southwestern North America, in the Sonoran Desert and Chihuahuan Desert in the United States (western Texas, New Mexico, Arizona), southern Nevada, southwestern Utah, and northern Mexico (Chihuahua, Coahuila, Sonora, Nuevo León). Yucca elata is widely distributed, although its population appears to be decreasing.

Description
This plant grows from 1.2 to 4.5 m tall, with a sparsely branched trunk. The trunk is brown, cylindrical in shape and has a small diameter and often has holes drilled by escaping yucca moth larvae. The leaves are arranged in a dense spiral whorl at the apex of the stems, each leaf 25–95 cm long and very slender, 0.2-1.3 cm broad. The white, bell-shaped flowers grow in a dense cluster on a slender stem at the apex of the stem, each flower 32–57 mm long, creamy white, often tinged pinkish or greenish.

The soaptree yucca's fruit is a capsule 4–8 cm long and 2–4 cm broad, maturing brown in summer, when it splits into three sections to release the black seeds. They do not flower every year.

Ecology
These plants fare best in dry, semi-desert conditions. They are very cold-hardy, but need much sunlight.

Subspecies
There are three subordinate taxa are sometimes recognized, although sources differ as to whether these should be considered varieties or subspecies:

 * Yucca elata ssp. elata. Capsules large, 5–8 cm; leaves long, 30–95 cm. Throughout the species' range.
 * Yucca elata ssp. verdiensis. Capsules small, 4-4.5 cm; leaves short, 25–45 cm. Arizona only.
 * Yucca elata ssp. utahensis.

Uses
Native Americans used the fiber of the soaptree yucca's leaves to make sandals, belts, cloth, baskets, cords, and mats, among other items; they also ate the flowers. Inside the trunk and roots of the plant is a soapy substance high in saponins. In the past, this substance was commonly used as soap and shampoo, which was used to treat dandruff and hairloss. At least one tribe, the Zuni, used a mixture of soap made from yucca sap and ground aster to wash newborn babies to stimulate hair growth. The Apaches also use yucca leaf fibers to make dental floss and rope. In times of drought ranchers have used the plant as an emergency food supply for their cattle; the chopped trunk and leaves can be eaten.

Symbolism
Flowers of the genus Yucca are the state flowers of US state of New Mexico. No species name is given in the statute citation, however the New Mexico Centennial Blue Book from 2012 references the soaptree yucca (Yucca elata) as one of the more widespread species in New Mexico.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deptford Mall

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 02:46, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

Deptford Mall
A 30-year old shopping mall with movie theaters, just like countless others. Article doesn't establish notability. Niteowlneils 17:17, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Doesn't establish much of anything else, either. :^)  Nothing to merge and IMO pointless as a redirect.  Delete. - Lucky 6.9 22:17, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn. --Idont Havaname 23:47, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Philip 01:09, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Two movie theaters. Two.  Delete. Josh Cherry 01:31, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless notability is established in the article. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 05:12, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, stubby article does not establish notability. Megan1967 06:55, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. GRider\talk 17:51, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Baroque violin

A  Baroque violin is a violin set up in the manner of the baroque period of music. The term includes original instruments which have survived unmodified since the Baroque period, as well as later instruments adjusted to the baroque setup, and modern replicas. Baroque violins have become relatively common in recent decades thanks to historically informed performance, with violinists returning to older models of instrument to achieve an authentic sound.

The differences between a Baroque violin and a modern instrument include the size and nature of the neck, fingerboard, bridge, bass bar, and tailpiece. Baroque violins are almost always fitted with gut strings, as opposed to the more common metal and synthetic strings on a modern instrument, and played with a bow made on the baroque model rather than the modern Tourte bow. Baroque violins are not fitted with a chin rest and are played without a shoulder rest.

Characteristics
The development of the violin started in the 16th century. "Renaissance violins" of this period are of a wide variety of sizes, from small pochettes through descant, treble and tenor instruments, as a consort. Around 1610, Giovanni Paolo Cima wrote the first sonatas for violin, marking the start of its use as a solo instrument. The size and broad design of the violin became fairly consistent towards the start of the Baroque period, at about 1660. In subsequent centuries, there were a number of gradual changes to the violin and bow. The main effect of these changes was to increase the overall sound and volume of the instrument, to improve the instrument's performance in higher registers, and to enable longer legato phrases. Today's Baroque violins are set up as far as possible in the manner of violins used from 1650 to 1750.

There was no single standard model of violin in the Baroque period. Then, as now, instruments were made by individual craftsmen, to different fashions. The instruments used to play the work of Claudio Monteverdi at the very beginning of the Baroque period differed somewhat from those of late Baroque composers. As a result, a modern player who plays repertoire from throughout the Baroque period but can afford only one instrument necessarily has to make a compromise with an instrument that has recognisably Baroque characteristics, but matches the instruments of any one part of the Baroque imperfectly.

The neck of a Baroque violin can be at a shallower angle to the body of the instrument than is the case on a modern violin, but again there was a great deal of variation. The neck angle can result in less pressure being exerted on the bridge from the strings. The old neck was also generally glued to the violin's ribs and nailed from the inner top-block through the thicker, more gently sloped neck-heel, while the modern neck is mortised into an opening cut into the ribs and upper edge of the violin. The bridge in turn is shaped differently, with less mass and greater flexibility in the upper half, owing to the high placement of its "eyes"—holes on either side.

The fingerboard on a Baroque violin is also shorter than that on a modern violin. During the Baroque period, the use of higher positions on the violin increased. In 1600, the highest note in regular use was the C above the E-string, while by 1700 the A one octave above the E-string was relatively common (being, for instance, the highest note used in Bach's violin music). Virtuoso violinists throughout the period continued to push the boundaries of possibility, with Locatelli reputedly playing in 22nd position.

Baroque violins are typically strung with gut E, A and D strings, and either a plain gut G or a metal-wound gut G. The guts in question are those of sheep, wound into a material historically referred to as "catline", and occasionally (if inaccurately) referred to as cat-gut.

Bows

Baroque bows generally look straight or bent slightly outwards in the middle, with an elegant "swan-bill" pointed head. They are typically made from strong, heavy snakewood. By contrast, a modern bow is made from pernambuco and has a marked inwards bend, particularly when the hair is relaxed, and has a "hatchet" head at right-angles to the stick.

Bows underwent more changes within the Baroque period than did violins. Bows of the earlier 17th century were used interchangeably between violins and viols. They were particularly short and light, and well-suited for dance music. Italian music of the first half of the 18th century, for instance the work of Arcangelo Corelli, was played with a longer bow better suited to long, singing notes. It was in response to this continued desire for longer, more legato playing that the inward curve was introduced in the mid 18th-century, and the modern bow derives from designs made by François Tourte in the later 18th century.

The screw mechanism for changing hair tension is first mentioned in a French shop inventory of 1747. It was not universally accepted for over a decade as players were perfectly happy with "clip-in" models: a removable frog held in place by hair tension in a mortise carved into the stick, its tension adjusted by shims between hair and frog surface. However, baroque-style bows produced today almost universally adopt the screw mechanism.

Bows were made of the hair of the horse tail.

Technique and performance
Typically, a Baroque violin is played in a "historical manner", using a technique and musical style intended to resemble actual baroque performance as far as possible. Because this style had fallen out of use long before recording technology was invented, modern performers rely heavily on documentary evidence to recreate a Baroque-style technique. They then apply this technique to the music of the period, looking in particular for facsimile or critical editions of the music to play from, as many later editions include editorial "improvements" which depart from Baroque practice.

Holding the instrument and left-hand technique
Early violins and violas were typically held against the left chest, below the shoulder. By the 18th century, the typical position was a little higher, on top of the shoulder, with the chin occasionally making contact with the violin. Chin-rests and shoulder-rests are not used – the chin rest which is universally used on a modern violin was not invented until the early 19th century, though Abbe Fils used some kind of device for a similar purpose. Shoulder rests were absent, being a 20th-century invention.

The position of the violin affects the player's ability to shift, and so the range of the instrument. In the chest position it is easy to play in first position but difficult to shift up much. It is easier to shift up when the violin is held on the collar-bone, and it is likely that the movement of the violin up the body and the development of repertoire in higher and higher positions went hand in hand.

Even in the later-Baroque position with the violin resting on the collar bone, shifting is more challenging than on a modern instrument, as the support of the left hand is required to keep the violin in position. (In contrast, modern technique usually has the violin firmly wedged between shoulder and chin, maintaining its position even when the left hand is absent). In particular, shifting down between positions is more difficult.

As a result, players choose fingerings which result in few shifts, or small "creeping" shifts. They choose their moments for shifting carefully, using open strings and points of articulation in the music where changes of position in the left hand can be made inaudibly. While in the Romantic period audible shifts are often used (portamento and glissando) these are absent from Baroque playing. Some Baroque sources indicate the deliberate use of a higher position on a lower string, typically for a piano or misterioso effect, but low positions are preferred on the whole for greater sonority.

Vibrato
It is generally accepted that vibrato was used much more sparingly in Baroque playing than is typical of Romantic repertoire and that the use of vibrato continuously dates after from the early 20th century around the time of Fritz Kreisler. According to this view, vibrato was used for effect in the Baroque period, on long or stressed notes, but never on short notes or at the end of slurs.

In chapter 11 of his treatise on violin playing, Leopold Mozart writes:

"The tremolo [vibrato] is an ornamentation which arises from Nature herself and which can be used charmingly on a long note, not only by good instrumentalists but clever singers... Now because the tremolo is not played purely on one note but sounds undulating, so would it be if every note were played with the tremolo. Performers there are who tremble consistently on each note as if they had palsy. The tremolo must only be used at places where nature herself would produce it...."

This belief has been questioned by musicologists who believe there was not universal agreement on the meaning of vibrato or the degree to which its use was appropriate.

Influential Baroque violinist Francesco Geminiani recommended that the vibrato be applied continuously, even on short notes.

"Of the Close SHAKE. This cannot be described by Notes as in former Examples. To perform it, you must press the Finger strongly upon the String of the Instrument, and move the Wrist in and out slowly and equally [...] when it is made on short Notes, it only contributes to make their Sound more agreeable; and for this Reason it should be made use of as often as possible."

Composer Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote vibrato should be used "in all contexts where the length of note permits"

Even authors critical of the use of constant vibrato acknowledged that this was common practice. For example, Robert Bremner writes:

"Many gentlemen players on bow instruments are so exceeding fond of the tremolo, that they apply it wherever they possibly can."The debate on the use of vibrato is complicated by inconsistent terminology and disagreement even on the mechanism of vibrato in writings from the era.

It is now generally acknowledged that vibrato was more widely used in the Baroque, not exclusively for ornamentation, but that the extent to which it was used varied significantly by region, individual taste, and rapidly changing fashion.

Bowing
Baroque bows are typically held in the same way as modern bows, with the thumb on the underside of the stick towards the frog, though in the earlier Baroque period a "French grip" with the thumb positioned on the hair of the bow was also used.

An important, but often overstated, aspect of Baroque playing is the "rule of the down bow", which says that any stressed beat – and in particular the first beat of a bar – ought to be played with a down-bow. The down-bow is naturally stronger than the up thanks to the action of gravity, and this tendency is even more true with a Baroque bow, which is stiff towards the bottom and middle and weak towards the tip. In Romantic and later violin playing, this natural tendency is evened out as much as possible with the aim of producing clear melodic phrases. However, much Baroque music relied on strong rhythmic emphasis, making the contrast between up and down bow a virtue.

The orchestra of Lully in particular enforced strict bow discipline according to the rule of the down-bow, which was documented by Muffat. While important in performance of dance music, the rules of the down-bow become less important when dealing with contrapuntal German and Italian compositions.

Baroque bows have a much narrower range of technique than do modern bows. In particular, fast strokes in the upper half (detaché and martelé), strokes which initiate with a high level of tension between bow and string (collé), and deliberately bounced strokes (spiccato and ricochet) are all later inventions which are difficult to achieve with Baroque bows, and are inauthentic for historical performance.

Two principal bow-strokes are attested in the treatises of the time. In quick allegro passages, particularly where there are leaps between notes, Baroque players used a short bow-stroke with the notes clearly detached. Tartini advised a correspondent to practice playing semiquavers as demisemiquavers followed by a rest, gradually building up the tempo but maintaining the separation between notes. By contrast, in slower cantabile passages, there should be little separation between notes, but players are advised to start each note softly and develop it for effect, for instance using a messa di voce.

Treatises
There are a number of Baroque-era manuals of music playing. Among the most important are Francesco Geminiani's The Art of Playing on the Violin (London, 1752; fasc. rpt. London: Oxford Univ. Pr., 1952) and Leopold Mozart's Versuch einer grundlichen Violinschule (Augspurg 1756; trans. by Editha Knocker: A Treatise on the Fundamental Principles of Violin Playing [London: Oxford University Press, 1937, 1948, etc.]). Researchers in historically informed performance also find relevant insights in correspondence of musicians at the time, and also manuals aimed at players of other instruments. However, the use of these sources is far from trouble-free. Sources occasionally contradict one another, and may have left unsaid "obvious" points.

Folk violins retaining characteristics of Baroque Violins
German baroque violins/violas and viola da amores were still being made by German makers well into the 19th Century; Johann Heinl's workshop in Bohmen produced the traditional old German version of a typical baroque viola in 1886. This traditional style of viola was mainly to be played by local German folk music groups. Another interesting feature of this instrument is that it has tuners similar to the mandolin rather than a pegbox. Heinl's baroque viola plays with good volume and is also well-suited for the orchestra. It can be fitted with a viola E string and tuned to GDAE and played in the same way as a violin.

It was fitted with removable frets so it could be played as a viola da gamba. It could also have a chin rest fitted and be played as a viola da braccio or it could have pegs fitted and be played like a table viola. The fingerboard is shorter which is typical of a baroque instrument and tunes to CGDA as would a modern viola but has a deeper, more richer sound altogether unique in itself.

There were other German violin makers of the same period as Johann Heinl who continued to produce old German baroque instruments for the musician who especially wanted a traditional German violin. One interesting type of old German pattern made by Grunwald has the body similar in size to the modern violin but with the fingerboard an inch and a half longer than today's standard. This change in fingerboard length allowing for the instrument to be strung as a violin with the strings tuning to GDAE or as a viola causing the strings to tune to CGDA or a shorter tailpiece would be fitted to enable tuning to GDAE in the cello octave and be played as a medium size tenor violin. Frets were often fitted and could be easily removed and refitted according to the preference of the player. Grunwald's violin of 1929 has seven special resonance bars that are attached to the underside of the top plate to cause a sympathetic resonance effect that greatly amplifies the sound more like what would be expected of a 16- or 17-inch viola. About this same period did Charles Manby himself invent an instate fretted fIngerboard for his brand of "new style violins" that was an idea born of these late 19th century violins that had baroque period innovations and variations in their design. Another famous violin design that incorporates into its design facets of baroque period variation is the Gusetto which is a baroque period viol design, and the common more modern violin pattern married together, creating an entirely unique violin in itself.

Baroque violins today
Baroque violins are part of the expanding interest in authentic performance that began in the 1950s and increased during the 1970s and 1980s. Their use reflects an attempt to rediscover the style of violin playing best suited to music of their period. Many luthiers today offer violin-family instruments in early set-up, though much is still unknown, given the relative scarcity of unaltered original instruments for study. Typically, period instrument players attempt to learn the style and aesthetic appropriate to the music and instruments in period treatises and facsimile editions. This practice is referred to as Historically Informed Performance (HIP).

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Me & My

Me & My is a Danish Eurodance duo, formed by sisters Susanne Georgi (born 27 July 1976) and Pernille Georgi (born 24 July 1974) in 1995 in Kolding. The debut album Me & My has sold more than 2 million copies, and the debut single Dub-I-Dub more than 1 million copies in total. Me & My was best-selling artist of the year in Japan back then. They are best known for their first international hit song "Dub-I-Dub" (1995), which has been featured on many compilations including the Dancemania series albums.

Biography
Me & My originally formed in 1988 under the name "SuPer Sisters" (the word "SuPer" being a compound of the two singers' first names). They first appeared on Danish television in 1989, and released two Danish-language albums in 1989 to 1990. They also tried to enter the Eurovision Song Contest 1991; however Susanne, 15 years old at the time, was too young to enter. The song which they were supposed to sing eventually finished second in the Danish national final.

Me & My in 1995 they released their self-titled debut album which went on to sell two million copies worldwide. Besides attaining a reasonable level of popularity in Europe, the duo have also gained fans around the world due to their songs "Dub-I-Dub" and "So Many Men" having been licensed by Toshiba-EMI Ltd. (the Japanese division of EMI) for Dance Dance Revolution, a popular arcade videogame series. The tracks debuted in the games in 1999 and 2000, respectively, and are still firm favourites with players of the game. "Dub-I-Dub" was included as one of several classic tracks on the tenth-anniversary Dance Dance Revolution game, DDR X, released in May 2008.

The two sisters still write songs for other artists, and recently revealed on "Musikprogrammet" (a Danish music program on television) that they were saving some of the best songs for a "sometime in the future album".

In 2007, Me & My finally got to take part in the Dansk Melodi Grand Prix (national selection for Eurovision Song Contest) with the song "Two Are Stronger Than One". On 2 February they qualified from the semi-final to the final, which was held on February 10. Even though they were the bookmakers' favourites to win, Me & My only managed to get 8 points, finishing 6th.

On 1 December 2007, Me & My released their first single in 6 years since "La La Superstar" in 2001 - a Christmas ballad titled "Too Much Christmas".

In early 2013, Pernille Georgi mentioned on her official fanpage that Me & My may be active again in 2014 and have mentioned plans in Japan, possibly for a tour. They are performing their first new concert as Me & My on 4 September 2013.

On 11 November 2016, Me & My released a remix single of "Two Are Stronger Than One". The remix was done by Stormby (Matt Eriksson), who was asked by their biggest Danish fan for help to get it remixed. The single also contains a radio edit and a club remix.

Albums

 * Me & My (1995)
 * Let the Love Go On (1999)
 * Fly High (2001)
 * The Ultimate Collection (2007)

Collaborations

 * "Te Quiero" (with Nicole) (2002)

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Ban Johnson

Byron Bancroft Johnson (January 5, 1864 – March 28, 1931) was an American executive in professional baseball who served as the founder and first president of the American League (AL).

Johnson developed the AL—a descendant of the minor league Western League—into a "clean" alternative to the National League, which had become notorious for its rough-and-tumble atmosphere. To encourage a more orderly environment, Johnson strongly supported the new league's umpires, which eventually included Hall of Famer Billy Evans.

With the help of league owners and managers such as Charles Comiskey, Charles Somers and Jimmy McAleer, Johnson lured top talent to the AL, which soon rivaled the more established National League. Johnson dominated the AL until the mid-1920s, when a public dispute with baseball commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis culminated in his forced resignation as league president.

The Western League
Born in Norwalk, Ohio, Johnson went on to study law at Marietta College, although he did not take his degree. He subsequently became the sports editor of a newspaper in Cincinnati. During this time, Johnson befriended Charles Comiskey, who was then manager of the Cincinnati Reds. At the urging of Comiskey and Reds owner John T. Brush, Johnson was elected as president of the Western League, a faltering minor league, at a reorganization meeting held in 1894.

Johnson had criticized the National League for its rowdy atmosphere, which was driving away families and women. He set about making baseball more friendly to both. Contrary to the practice of the time, Johnson gave his umpires unqualified support and had little tolerance for players or managers who failed to show them due respect. Johnson also fined and suspended players who used foul language on the field. Soon, the Western League was recognized as not only the strongest minor league, but also as the most effectively managed league in all of baseball.

Formation of the American League
Johnson, however, had a bigger plan—another major league. With the help of Comiskey, who had purchased the Sioux City franchise and moved it to St. Paul in 1894 after leaving the Reds, Johnson initiated an ambitious plan of expansion. He got his chance after the 1899 season, when the National League dropped teams in Baltimore, Cleveland, Louisville and Washington, D.C. Johnson moved the Grand Rapids franchise to Cleveland, where they would eventually become the Indians. He also had Comiskey move his Saint Paul team to Chicago, where they eventually became the White Sox. The latter move was made with the blessing of the NL, which saw Comiskey's team as a way to head off any attempt to revive the American Association. For the 1900 season, the Western League was renamed as the American League, although it remained a minor league.

The 1900 season was an unequivocal success, and Johnson received a 10-year contract extension. In October, he withdrew the AL from the National Agreement (the formal understanding between the NL and the minor leagues). The final step came on January 28, 1901, when he declared the AL would operate as a major league. He then placed teams in Baltimore, Boston, Philadelphia and Washington.

The Buffalo Bisons were to be a member of the new American League and their manager Franklin was told right up to January 29, 1901, that "Buffalo was in the league and not to worry." Johnson then unceremoniously dumped Buffalo and placed the franchise in Boston. It was later revealed that he not only had been negotiating surreptitiously with Boston people for several months, but also that he had money invested in the Boston franchise. Johnson also had a large stake in the Washington franchise, which he kept until 1903.

A baseball power
The NL then made a critical blunder by limiting salaries to $2,400 – a low sum even by 1901 standards. Johnson, Comiskey and the other AL owners responded by raiding NL rosters, promising disgruntled players much higher salaries. Over 100 players "jumped" to the new league. After a two-year war in which the AL trounced the NL in attendance both seasons, the NL sued for peace. Under a new National Agreement, the AL was formally recognized as the second major league. A three-man National Commission was set up, composed of both league presidents and Reds owner Garry Herrmann. Although Herrmann was nominal president of the commission, Johnson soon dominated the body.

Johnson did not tolerate criticism, and made it very difficult for men he didn't like to buy into the league. For instance, when Harry Frazee bought the Boston Red Sox in 1917, Johnson tried almost from the start to drive him out because Frazee had not been hand-picked by Johnson. At one point, Johnson even had ownership interests in the Cleveland and Washington teams.

Downfall
The Frazee dispute planted the seed for Johnson's downfall. Eventually, the league divided into two factions, with the Red Sox, White Sox and New York Yankees on one side (commonly known as "The Insurrectos") and the other five clubs (the Indians, Philadelphia Athletics, St. Louis Browns, Detroit Tigers and Washington Senators, known as the "Loyal Five") on the other. By this time, Comiskey had become a bitter enemy of Johnson; the two men's once warm friendship had strained considerably. Johnson's authority eroded further that year when the Red Sox traded Carl Mays to the Yankees in defiance of a Johnson order to suspend him after Mays had jumped the club. The Yankees went to court and received an injunction to allow Mays to play, as Johnson had demonstrated throughout the proceedings that his investment in the Cleveland Indians hindered his ability to be impartial.

The final nail in Johnson's coffin proved to be the Black Sox Scandal. Johnson paid no attention to Comiskey's claims that his White Sox may have been on the take from gamblers. However, when the scandal broke after the 1920 season, the White Sox, Red Sox and Yankees threatened to pull out of the AL and join a new 12-team National League. The enlarged league would include a new team in Detroit unrelated to the Tigers, who were owned by Johnson loyalist Frank Navin. However, Navin was in no mood for another war and persuaded the other five clubs to agree to appoint a new National Commission of non-baseball men. Federal District Court Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis was appointed as chairman. However, Landis would accept an appointment only as sole Commissioner of Baseball, with unlimited power over the game. The owners were still reeling from the damage to baseball's reputation due to the Black Sox Scandal, and readily agreed to Landis' demands.

Under the circumstances, a clash between the iron-willed Johnson and the iron-willed Landis was inevitable, and it happened prior to the 1924 World Series. Landis banned two New York Giants from the Series for attempting to bribe members of the Philadelphia Phillies late in the season. After Frankie Frisch and two other Giants stars were implicated, only to be cleared by Landis, Johnson demanded that the Series be canceled. He publicly criticized Landis for his handling of the affair, and Landis threatened to resign if the AL owners didn't rein Johnson in. After the Series, the AL owners promised to remove Johnson from office if he stepped out of line again. Johnson remained on good behavior for two years, even getting an extension of his contract to 1935 and a raise to $40,000 (he had previously made $25,000).

However, in 1926, Johnson criticized Landis for granting Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker an amnesty after evidence surfaced that they had fixed a game in 1919. Landis demanded that the AL choose between him and Johnson. The AL owners were prepared to remove Johnson from office at their annual meeting in January 1927. Because Johnson was in ill health at the time, the owners decided to put him on an indefinite sabbatical instead. Johnson tried to return in the spring and acted as if nothing had changed. However, the situation had become untenable, and Johnson was forced to resign at the end of the season. Frank Navin served as acting president of the American League until the owners selected Indians general manager Ernest Barnard as president.

Legacy
Johnson died on March 28, 1931, at age 67, in St. Louis, Missouri, just a few hours after his successor, Ernest Barnard. Johnson was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1937 as one of its charter members. The athletic fieldhouse at Marietta College is named in his honor. He was laid to rest at Riverside Cemetery in Spencer, Indiana.

Will Harridge, who succeeded to the AL presidency in 1931, summed up Johnson's legacy: "He was the most brilliant man the game has ever known. He was more responsible for making baseball the national game than anyone in the history of the sport".

The Jayhawk Collegiate League's Liberal Bee Jays are named in Johnson's honor.

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Charles Annandale

Charles Annandale (1843–1915) was a Scottish editor, primarily of reference books.

Life
He was born at Fordoun on 26 August 1843, the son of James Annandale. He graduated M.A. from the University of Aberdeen in 1867, and later received an honorary degree there in 1885. received his M.A. in 1867 and LL.D. in 1885

He edited the revision of John Ogilvie's Imperial Dictionary of the English Language and several abridgements, including The Student's English Dictionary and The Concise English Dictionary. Other works he edited include The Modern Cyclopedia of Universal Information, The Popular Encyclopedia, The Works of Robert Burns, and The New Gresham Dictionary of the English Language.

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User:Musmusculus

Mus musculus is latin. it's the scientific name for domestic mouse (house mouse). The editor is a biology student working on telomeres and stress in wild house house mice at the Konrad Lorenz Institute for Ethology [] in Vienna.

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ethology bruce effect

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Taikou Risshiden V

Taikō Risshiden V (太閤立志伝 V) is the most recent title in the Japanese video game series Taikō Risshiden produced by Koei. It was released on PC and PlayStation 2 in 2004 followed by PlayStation Portable in 2009. The first title of the series was released on NEC PC-9801 in 1992 followed by Super Famicom and Genesis/Mega Drive. It was later re-released on the Wii Virtual Console on September 1, 2009, adapted from the Super Famicom version. A new version of the game, titled "Taiko Risshiden V DX", with improved graphics and 100 new character cards, was released in 2022.

The title roughly translates to "the Taikō's success story". The characters are taken from the Momoyama period in Japan. In the previous Taikō Risshiden IV, players could select a samurai, a ninja or a merchant as their character. In Taikō Risshiden V, new roles include a blademaster, a pirate, a doctor, a tea master, and a blacksmith, counting eight roles in total. The player meets various historical figures of the era in the game.

Summary
The game follows the card system used in Taikō Risshiden IV, with new professions added. A number of playable warlords are expanded for each version to 800 for Windows and 860 for the PlayStation 2. Non-combat characters include foreign missionaries, monks, and wives of the military lords. There are four overseas bases that pirates and merchants can travel to: Naha (Ryukyu, now part of Japan), Busan (Korea), Ningbo (Ming China), and Luzon (in the Philippines).

The military commander graphics were changed from the manga style of version III and IV to a graphic novel, or gekiga style, adopted from the format employed in a title named Nobunaga's Ambition. While each of the internal affairs and training sessions were presented in mini-games in Taikō Risshiden IV, in this version it is possible to opt out and skip those mini-games. However, when the player skips those mini-games, technical points will not be gained on ability score, and there are events that the player is challenged with the mini-games, even when opted to skip them. Like the previous PlayStation 2 version, players on Windows will gain new modes according to the number of cards gained during the play. The function to edit warlord data is employed when all docks are collected, to replace the Power Up Kit used in other Koei titles.

When creating a special commander or warrior, the player designs the appearance. For instance, the player chooses and arranges facial features, props, and clothing that are not available to choose from among preset outlooks. It is in this version that a female warlord can be chosen for the first time, as well as the player being able to register and maneuver up to 40 characters along with the main warlord at the same time.

List of games

 * Taiko Risshiden – PC 1992, Genesis 1993-05-28
 * Taiko Risshiden II – PlayStation 1996-02-23, PC
 * Taiko Risshiden III – PC 1999-03-05, PlayStation 1999-08-19
 * Taiko Risshiden IV – PC 2001-06-01, PlayStation Portable 2006-08-31
 * Taiko Risshiden V – PC 2004-03-12, PlayStation Portable 2009-09-17

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