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User talk:Boothy443/Archive 1

USM
Hey, thanks for working on the USMifiying of the USM articles. I had emailed people at each school asking for mottos, seals, and such and only Frostburg had responded. --Howardjp 13:50, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

International Football
Thanks for the help with national teams articles... I'm doing cleanup on Guinea-Bissau right now; for team colors the best reference is: http://jason.soffe.free.fr/africa/index.html. Also, for categories, do not put Category:African national football teams because the CAF Teams template already includes that. Since sport categories do not exist for most of those countries, add it to the culture category (Category:Guinea-Bissauan culture). Sorry if I'm nitpicking, but again thanks for the help!

I get the logos here: http://users.skynet.be/pluto/Textfifa/organization.html (some of them are good, some of them need cleanup), if not there, then at FIFA. If you get to Asia, the best ones are at http://www.the-afc.com/english/national/default.asp?mAction=new&where=national. All team results are here: http://www.rsssf.com/tablesl/landen-intres.html (I noticed your "first matches" were off).

For the kits, let's say for Guinea-Bissau it says: 1 Red, green, yellow Green Green 2 Yellow, green, red Yellow Yellow 1 = Home, 2 = Away. First line is shirt, second is shorts, third is socks. If there's more than one color listed, just take the first one -- it's the best we can do for these "obscure" teams.

Comoros are neither a member of FIFA or CAF. There are a number of teams which are like that (Reunion, Monaco, Greenland, a bunch of Oceanian teams). If one of these appears in another team's infobox, Italicize it as opposed to providing a link. Don't worry about them for now, if they're not listed on the Confederation's page, no need for them... Yet.

On associations: make sure the head coach matches up to the one on the national team page; those are all current (more or less), I noticed the one on Armenia was off. Also, make sure the association link on the team page goes to the assocaition... The ones for Azerbaijan and Andorra didn't. Other than that, excellent...

To verify coaches, I check the team's last match at http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com, so according to http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/t/mr/mr36501.html, Armenia's coach is Cassoni. Most, if not all, of the national team pages are correct, especially for countries still invovled in World Cup qualifying. --Dryazan 18:56, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Next on the agenda? I was thinking of adding Template:Football club infobox to all major teams that are missing it, starting with Spanish clubs. http://www.marca.es is a good resource for those. I don't think there's much value of doing association pages for non-European teams... Maybe just finish up South America. --Dryazan 04:08, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

MTA Maryland
When did the agency change its name to MTA Maryland? The official site still calls it the Maryland Transit Administration, and a Google news search turns up nothing. --SPUI 19:09, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * "Maryland Transit Administration is the statewide agency in control of Mass Transit in the state of Maryland. MTA Maryland, is the division of the agency that provides transit services in the Baltimore Metro Area"
 * It doesn't look that way from the official site, and a name split like that seems very counterintuitive. Anyway, the article is about the whole agency, not just the Baltimore area. --SPUI 19:17, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Er, never mind, the article is only about the Baltimore area. But the name still doesn't make any sense - the site for the whole system is mtamaryland.com, so why would the Baltimore division be called MTA Maryland? --SPUI 19:19, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * From a bit more looking on the official site, it looks like "MTA Maryland" is an alternate name that they use, possibly to avoid confusion with the New York City MTA. But the organization is named Maryland Transit Administration, so the first line should read something like The Maryland Transit Administration, sometimes knwon as MTA Maryland to avoid confusion with New York's MTA, and so on. --SPUI 19:24, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

OK, I moved it back - look it over if you want to make sure I didn't get anything wrong. --SPUI 19:40, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

CSD
Just because an article should be deleted does not mean it's a Candidate for Speedy Deletion. Please read the Criteria, and do not list articles as speedy deletion candidates unless they fall under one of the criteria given there. --fvw *  05:08, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)

Team crests
I say yes, but only if the logo is of good quality. If you have adobe photoshop or illustrator, the best thing to use is http://www.hqfl.dk, and convert the image to .gif or .png. The problem is, that site doesn't have English logos because of some copyright issues... There're bound to be some other logo sites out there with images already in .gif format, I just haven't looked yet. When placing the logo, I usually do it on the left like this: --Dryazan 14:48, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

VfD tag on Morris Peterson
You shouldn't remove VfD tags from articles, even if you have significantly improved them. I agree that Morris Peterson shouldn't be deleted but, now someone has listed it, it has to go to a vote. Removing the tag, even accidentally, might be construed as vandalism by some users. Rje 01:22, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree with you, people are very quick to put stuff they don't know about up for deletion rather than actually checking anywhere first. I wasn't criticising you, I was just saying that once something gets put up for deletion, no matter how ridiculous it seems, it has to go to a vote by the community. Appearing to tamper with process can get you into trouble, just making sure you don't get into trouble through ignorance of policy. Happy editing. Rje 01:52, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway
I noticed you were working on Maryland Transportation Authority and I thought you might want to know that I have created new articles for John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway and Millard E. Tydings Memorial Bridge. The template for MdTA toll facilities needs to be updated and I do not know how to do that. Vaoverland 22:36, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

1972 in sports and 1972 in television
it looks as if User:66.169.120.248 is do random delets? care to take a look? --Boothy443 05:49, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks like vandalism. I've warned them and will keep an eye on them, thanks. --fvw *  05:53, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)

Thanks from vaoverland
Thanks for your kind words. I am trying to use the good aspects of adult add to best advantage. Vaoverland 06:02, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)

172.208.143.168, cretin
Thanks for the reversions, Boothy443! If I were an administrator, I'd unplug this little twerp 172.208.143.168 from Wikipedia (hint). And thirty minutes from now he'd be back with yet another IP. Hoary 05:04, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd be great
Nice user page. - Vague | Rant 10:19, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too. By the way, someone vandalized your user page. I reverted. Might have been that Thomas Yu guy you marked as speedy, but I didn't check. - Vague | Rant 10:26, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Midnight Oil
Oh yes, jumping from one thing to another as us "ADD"ers are so prone to do. Tonight, I did some major cleanup on Amtrak and Northeast Corridor articles, checking out some other older ones also. I also did some more work on Henry G. Shirley Memorial Highway, Delaware Turnpike, JFK Highway, and Baltimore Beltway, for your review. (can always use a double-check) If you get a chance, would you take a look at Featured article candidates/Pulaski Skyway, and consider voting on it if you support? Not my article, but another transpo writer's work. Curiosity: What are you working on?Vaoverland 11:19, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Civil War
Hey, how well versed are you on the civil war?--Boothy443 06:36, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I would say moderate. I am in Richmond, Virginia. I am most familar with events in Virginia, particularily the 1862 Peninusla Campaign and the 1864 Overland Campaign, Seige of Petersburg, etc. I do not know much about the western front. Vaoverland 06:41, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC

Little help
Thank you for the heads up. I've left a message on his talk page. If he persists, I'll block. SWAdair | Talk 07:35, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * You're helping out all over the place. I see your name every day.  Thank you.  Oh, and as for the tag on American Civil War, I don't see any problem with that.  Have you considered asking 172 to weigh in on this?  SWAdair | Talk  07:50, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Of course the sole "cause" of the Civil War was not slavery. At the same time, the Origins of the American Civil War is more nuanced than you make it out to be. The article provides a generous range of contexts. Some sections indeed focus on slavery and free labor. Others deal with the role of political agitation in all sections in the coming of the war in the context of an era in which traditional restraints were being eroded in the face of the rapid expansion of democracy. Others focus on the South's economic dependence and tariffs (especially the section dealing with the panic of 1857). Others deal with overall decline of the South's influence in the federal government on questions of tariffs, banking policy, public land, and of subsidies to railroads... Also, there is a tendency to confuse the discussion of slavery as an underlying cause with that of a direct "cause." At the center of the two diverging societies were differences in labor systems. The plantation system, in effect, determined the structure of Southern society, just as free labor determined the structure of Northern society. These are the structural realities underlying the divergence between North and South on moral, cultural, social, ideological, political, and economic issues. In short, that's why the discussion of slavery is as detailed as it is. 172 09:28, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * FYI, I just finished work on Tredegar Iron Works and Joseph R. Anderson articles. I have been monitoring (but not participating) in the debate about the NPOV issue of the American Civil War article. Vaoverland 12:32, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)

Edit war
Basically, it boils down to this. Gzornenplatz believes that the code for the infobox should be kept inside the original article, while I believe that it is much more efficient, clear, and easy to make a template that includes the relevant information. Gzornenplatz has taken to arbitrarily reverting any article that includes a templated infobox, even if they are firmly established. Páll 03:26, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

No, no, you misunderstood. Gzornenplatz is not REMOVING the infoboxes, but i think its unnecessary to have all the code sitting on top of the Wikipedia article. I basically redid the tables in another format and put them back into the articles, and he wants it done the old way and keeps reverting it without reaching concensus. Páll 03:31, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No, if you want to revert a page, YOU need consensus. Páll 03:35, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

thanks!
Thanks. Boothy, for cleaning up after the naughty person who sabotaged my work. Much appreciated. I don't understand why people can't play nice, but oh well. Vigilance and courage! thanks again. FeanorStar7

More midight oil
I just finished some work on Fort Monroe, Fort Wool, Battle of Drewry's Bluff, and Drewry's Bluff. More American Civil War details. How is the debate about causes of the ACW coming along? Vaoverland 10:39, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

country infoboxes
Hi, there's a new Solution E that's been proposed for the country infoboxes; I've changed my vote from the Solution D that I proposed, earlier. The new option, proposed by User:Zocky, transcludes a subpage instead of using the template mechanism for this.

See: Nepal's infobox is implemented at Nepal/infobox using Template:Infobox_Country; Tuvalu's is implemented at Tuvalu/infobox as a wiki table.

Discussion is at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries

voting: Country_infobox_vote

Thanks. — Davenbelle 02:43, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

19
boothy - it is not vandalism to note in an article on the subject of piers gaveston that there has been a party held in his honour at Oxford, probably since his death. Its actually rather pertinant. Please revert my addition to the article. Apologies for not logging in - I'll check back later for a response if you don't mind too much.

Vandals
The vandals are making personal attacks against you, you must be doing a good job. Keep it up! --fvw *  11:50, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)

CSD
What CSD criterion are you claiming Rory Linton falls under? --fvw *  12:00, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
 * No meaningful content or history. --Boothy443 12:03, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Please (re)read WP:CSD carefully. No meaningful content or history (e.g. random characters). See patent nonsense. This article had two paragraphs of proper english with only the odd typo. --fvw *  12:12, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)

Kash Jaffrey - vfd
Hi. Just take it easy. Whether the vfd notice is on the page or not won't refrain the vote to happen. Annon is a bit stuborn... let go. In 30 minutes or an hour he'll have left computer. Only if in one houre he still rv the vfd then triger a vandalisme in progress. Not right now. :-) Gtabary 11:19, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * See reply at Gtabary talk. Bye. Gtabary 11:33, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Boothy, you're welcome. I had to try several times to save the "blocked" message on the anon's talk page -- servers are glitchy right now.  Now let's see if I can leave a note on the ViP page so other admins know the anon has already been blocked...   :-)  SWAdair | Talk  11:37, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
You're more than welcome. :) And thank you for all the vandal-thwarting you've been doing. You're quite sharp at it, and impressively fast considering you have to manually revert. As for the anon(s) who've been targetting you, I've set a range block covering 213.42.0.0/16, with an expiry of two hours; with any hope s/he'll get bored before then and find some other cheap amusement. Cheers, -- Hadal 06:41, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
There's no need to list everybody who vandalises a few pages on ViP, just give them one of the test templates (test, test2, test3 or test4) on their talk page and see if they stop first. --fvw *  05:25, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)
 * Don't think of them as threats, think of them as warnings or suggestions (heck, think of them as zen poetry). If you don't want to you don't have to ofcourse, your contribution of spotting them is welcomed too. --fvw *  05:29, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)

User:Jni
Hello, thanks for fixing the vandalism to my user page. Already blocked the culprit. Cheers, jni 09:39, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

toll roads
Bridges and tunnels (all that I've been adding, at least) carry roads, and these are tolled. Thus they are toll roads. Feel free to make subcats for toll bridges and toll tunnels, but I feel they do belong in toll roads. --SPUI 12:06, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * A turnpike is not "otherwise known as a toll road". A turnpike is a specific type (or specific naming style) of toll road. --SPUI 12:12, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's split that apart into its separate meanings:
 * "A toll road is a road on which a toll authority collects a fee for use."
 * "A turnpike is a road on which a toll authority collects a fee for use."
 * "A tollpike is a road on which a toll authority collects a fee for use."
 * This does not mean that any toll road is a turnpike, or that any turnpike is a toll road (though the latter is generally true, because "A toll road is a road on which a toll authority collects a fee for use." is a tautology in structure.
 * If this confuses you, just think about my original argument, without getting into the text on the toll road page. All those bridges and tunnels are roads, and are thus toll roads. --SPUI 12:18, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Another thing - since we already have several "toll roads in X" categories, it seems that the same should be done for bridges and tunnels. Then "toll bridges in X" can go in "bridges in X" and "toll bridges".

rv advert: faceparty
would you describe a link to a free service as advertising? thousands of dublin people cannot be described as MINORS.

however, the dublin site includes links to MINORS, or so called special population groups. faceparty.com allows such people to join, "prefer not say or otherwise.

their rating system for adult content is very good. this service includes 15mio ppl. and is free. not to say they have additional premium accounts.

DATING has become a part of our lives, and if one joins faceparty, he/she can actually see ppl from dublin, and probably loose some of their illusions: it wont be the case they are all friendly, naive paddys.

probably you can re-enter the link again. the information about minors are not necessary, as faceparty includes such people, and allows them to checkmark adult ct as such. that's a good thing for all participants.
 * it has nothing to do with dublin, directs to a service, is an advert, will be reverted--Boothy443 10:23, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH DUBLIN AS 1000's of members are from dublin.

preference of special population groups is both bad press and reversal of real requirements.
 * and aol has over a million users in new york, but no need for a link on that page to aol--Boothy443 12:09, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

there is a need to represent REAL dublin and irish people at the site, together or without links to special population groups. options at faceparty are "prefer not say", "any" or otherwise. it's an improvement as far as i can see. i do not know, probably the entry should sound: see REAL irish people. the participation to the service is not obligatory. sometimes disadvantaged groups are getting rights, then soon they are the only people with rights. normal people do not exist or what? and there should be a link to UGC, too. it's not an advert, as it is a cultural centre, meeting point, and so on. sorry but there are no offers for special population groups.

 * well go ahead and put youlinks and and see how fast they go, not just by be but by others, aslo your posting to my talk page can me consideried vandalism by not puting a sig to the post.

Akidd_dublin i am sorry for that, new here at wiki. however, O2 is labelled as "main infrastructure". UGC would be infrastructure, too? i mean dublin has more than: historic writers, museums, and gheys. --- akidd_dublin

What? you mentioned me? I am not Vandalism
What? you mentioned me? I am not Vandalism--218.247.170.241 09:31, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

why adding an article about "wagig" is vandalism? i write 15 minutes, do the first save, write another 15 minutes and meanwile the original is gone?

how can i reach you
would you please stop deleting wajig? especially if you do not know debian? it is the same category as advanced packaging tool, dpkg, aptitude. and especially before the article is finished?

And who made you the U2 Knight in shining armour
All I am trying to do is express the factual fellings of hundreds of thousands of U2 fans. If feelings have no place in an encyclopedia then what about the social science and psychology sections of wikipedia.

Wikitravel
Hello, Boothy. Wikitravel isn't listed at Sister projects so I assume there is no official connection. Their page says Wikitravel was inspired by Wikipedia, and gives the names of their two founders. (Aside: have you thought of getting your previous edits attributed to this username?). SWAdair | Talk 11:03, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * OIC. :-)  SWAdair | Talk  11:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hyacinths
Actually, my user name is a reference to Hyacinth (mythology) rather than Hyacinth Bucket though I guess that would be equally gay. Hyacinth 11:30, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No insult taken, and no inconvenience, I'm glad to inform. Thanks and happy edits. Hyacinth 11:43, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Detroit edit
You've attached an "in use / major edit" tag atop the Detroit article. There are many of us who have scrupulously written and edited the article over the years; could you please first head to the discussion page and outline your plans before plunging into any major revisions?

Thanks.
 * Sorry i dont respond to non sig articles.--User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 19:30, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wicca rv
I added back in Why Wiccans Suck to the list of external links on the article because the site contains a lot of very good ponts and corrections of common misconceptions. As one of the most linked sites to people who don't know a lot about Wicca, I think it deserves a mention.

--Veratien 13:59, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Comments
Hey frank, I was wondering if you would not mind looking at a massive page edit i am doing and give me some feedback. It's at Detroit, Michigan/Temp, i don't know how much you know about Detroit, being from the Netherlands and all, but just some general comments and thoughts would be nice, if you have the chance. Thanks --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 19:56, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as you guessed, my ability to help on the content side of things is rather limited. Highlighting differences is tricky when using a separate temp subpage; I personally prefer making even the large sweeping changes in-place, with the inuse tag; it makes it easier to use the diff functions and keep some changes and revert others. Still, opinions differ strongly on this, so if you prefer this way of doing things, by all means keep doing so.
 * I noticed you dropped the link to the History of Detroit, Michigan article. Was this on purpose? I don't think the main article covers everything in the history article, nor am I sure it should.
 * If you feel like putting in the effort, some of the demographic data in the article might be more accessible if put in tables or graphs.
 * Colleges and universities is just a list instead of prose. Is there anything to be said about Detroit colleges and universities in general, so you can make a small introduction text followed by a short list of colleges and universities?
 * The transport section could use some fleshing out in text I think, perhaps some general blather about it being a transport hub, and what this means for the city?
 * I'm not sure I like having that list of people there. That they're from Detroit says something about those people, but not so much about the city Detroit. Unless you want to posit that Detroit produces a disproportionate number of famous people, I think just linking to People from Detroit in the See also would be enough. (Also, generally these lists are an annoyance to maintain. Everyone wants to put "their" celebrity on them, even if they're not major enough to be listed in a shortlist.)
 * Same goes for the sister cities as for the Universities really, could you say something about detroits relationship and how they came to be?
 * A lot of these are matters of taste of course, so feel free to ignore any you disagree with. Nice job, and good luck! --fvw * </SMALL> 20:21, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)

deletion: studnet
Hello, I added a comment to the "vote for deletion" page for studnet. It's not an advert (what would it advertise?) and it's not bogus. It's an upcoming element of net culture (see: cow-orker).

Detroit
Boothy: While I'm not familiar with Detroit or with the article, generally, I like it, especially your management of the long and unattractive lists. I especially like what you did with the history section. My only comment from a cursory examination is that the list of movies is formatted rather oddly (for Wikipedia, film year is usually given in parentheses and actor's names aren't italicized). But awesome work! -- Seth Ilys 18:17, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Lookup Browser Button thingy
You marked Wikipedia Lookup Browser Button as a speedy delete, accusing the author of advertising on his talk page. I don't think this was advertising, but just a new user not quite understanding the difference in use between different namespaces. I moved the page to the user's userpage, which was empty. The remaining redirects should still be deleted, of course. / u p p l a n d 20:16, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Contributions from 200.93.159.114
I had done some contributions from the IP Address 200.93.159.114, that you have judged as nonsense or vandalism.

As I did them in good feith and pretended to make a contribution to wikipedia, I would like to know why this was nonsense.

-- Carlos Th --Chlewey 22:33, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Detroit
Will do/ Vaoverland 00:46, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

All in all, a nice article. Comments and thoughts: 1. Under transportation, "an extensive, if not erratic, bus service throughout the City, and very near suburbs". ??? 2. What about Amtrak service? 3. Detroit has become something of common noun used to refer to the US auto industry, even through all the manufacturers have actually left the city itself (I think). 4. The sat photo is really kewl!!

Vaoverland 00:58, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Alexander Marquardt
Anonymous users can post comments and votes on VfD, but they don't have to be counted:
 * In particular, votes from anonymous persons and accounts that did not exist prior to a nomination are typically ignored on strong suspicions of sock puppeteering or being cast by biased outsiders unfamiliar with our policies.

In this case, it seemed more like a comment than a vote, so I reinstated it. Personally, I would have left it; protests by creators of vanity pages usually provide the best evidence for deletion. :) —tregoweth 03:13, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

admin stuff
Hi,

I notice you doing a lot of admin-type stuff, although you're not an admin. Have you been around for a while and have a decent number of edits? I'd propose you for adminship, but have only been an admin for a month or so myself and probably lack credibility for this. But you could try self-nominating your own candidacy (it worked for me :-) Requests for adminship. -- Curps 08:40, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Frank J. Sprague
Thanks for fixing the article, one of the ones I keep any eye on. Vaoverland 18:12, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
I don't know if my user page was on your watch list, or if you followed the vandal's trail, but thanks for reverting my page. :) --Golbez 19:40, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ha! I was just coming over to thank you for reverting the vandalism on my page. Cheers, BanyanTree 20:38, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re:Thank you
No worries. I think the work you did on Detroit, Michigan is great; the article flows a lot better now. Sure there's a lot of cleaning up going on now that your edit is in place, but maybe that's because your reworked article has created new interest. Don't let your detractors get you down; some people like to talk on talk pages, you and me like to be bold. foobaz·✐ 20:17, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not any newfound "interest" that's driving the cleaning up; the Detroit page has always garnered reliable attention. (A quick glance at the history page will back that up.) The cleaning up is happening simply because there was suddenly a lot of cleaning up to do.

 * There's nothing wrong with being bold. I myself was beholden to boldness back when I did a major overhaul of the Detroit article several months ago. So the issue here was not "boldness" but rather -- as pointed out on the discussion page -- the typos, errors and stilted syntax introduced by this latest revision.

 * There's a difference between boldness and recklessness.

 * That said... I and others have acknowledged the benefits of the latest restructuring. In fact, I've just finished my editing work, and we've now got a nice little piece sitting there -- an improved article that I think most folks will be happy with.
 * Semolina Pilchard 21:01, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
For reverting the vandalism of my user page. - snoyes 18:54, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bank of China (Hong Kong)
Hi. I've nominated Bank of China (Hong Kong) on WP:FAC. Since I noticed that you worked on this article, perhaps you'd like to comment on the nomination. --JuntungWu 02:41, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Podge and Rodge
Why did you rip a HUGE amount out of this article with not even so much as an edit summary? It may not have seemed to make sense, but it was in fact accurate - very weird scriptwriting for a kids TV show. I'm reverting. Kiand 14:30, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Christopher Lewis (priest)

Christopher Andrew Lewis (born 4 February 1944) is a Church of England priest and academic. He was Dean of St Albans from 1994 to 2003 and Dean of Christ Church from 2003 to 2014.

Early life and education
Lewis was born on 4 February 1944, to Admiral Sir Andrew Lewis and his wife, Rachel Elizabeth (née Leatham). He was educated at Marlborough College, an all-boys public school in Wiltshire. He went on to study sociology and theology at the University of Bristol, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree in 1969. He later returned to studying, and graduated from Corpus Christi College, Cambridge with a Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) degree in theology in 1974. He trained for ordination at Westcott House, Cambridge.

Military service
Lewis served in the Royal Navy from 1961 to 1966. He served aboard a minesweeper during the Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation. He was promoted from acting sub-lieutenant to sub-lieutenant on 1 September 1965. He was promoted to lieutenant on 1 March 1966.

On 17 October 1966, Lewis transferred to the Permanent Royal Navy Reserve in the rank of lieutenant. This ended his full-time military service.

Ordained ministry
Lewis was ordained in the Church of England as a deacon in 1973 and as a priest in 1974. He served as assistant curate of Barnard Castle (1973–76). From 1976 to 1979 he was both Director of the Oxford Institute for Church and Society and a tutor at Ripon College Cuddesdon. He was Senior Tutor at Ripon College Cuddesdon (1979–81) and (Vice Principal) 1981–82. He was also priest-in-charge of Aston Rowant with Crowell from 1978 to 1981. He was Vicar of Spalding from 1982 to 1987 when he was appointed a canon residentiary of Canterbury Cathedral. He was also Director of Ministerial Training for the Diocese of Canterbury from 1989 to 1994.

Lewis was Dean of St Albans Cathedral from 1994 to 2003. He was for some time Chairman of the Association of English Cathedrals. In 2003, he was appointed Dean of Christ Church; this made him both head of Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford and of the associated college of the University of Oxford. He retired on 4 February 2014, his 70th birthday.

Personal life
In 1970, Lewis married Rhona Jane Martindale. They have two sons and one daughter.

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David Rieff

David Rieff (born September 28, 1952) is an American nonfiction writer and policy analyst. His books have focused on issues of immigration, international conflict, and humanitarianism.

Biography
Rieff is the only child of Susan Sontag, who was 19 years old when he was born. His father, whom Sontag divorced, was Philip Rieff, author of Freud: The Mind of the Moralist. Rieff was educated at the Lycée Français de New York and attended Amherst College as a member of the class of 1974, where he studied under Benjamin DeMott. He completed college at Princeton University, graduating with an A.B. in history in 1978.

Career
Rieff was a senior editor at Farrar, Straus and Giroux from 1978 to 1989. Rieff has at various times been a senior fellow at the World Policy Institute at the New School for Social Research, a fellow at the New York Institute for the Humanities at New York University, a board member of the Arms Division of Human Rights Watch, of the Central Eurasia Project of the Open Society Institute, and of Independent Diplomat.

Rieff has published articles in newspapers and journals including The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Le Monde, El Pais, The New Republic, World Affairs, Harper's, The Atlantic Monthly, Foreign Affairs, The Nation.

Rieff has written about the Bosnian War. Despite his initial support of the tenets of Liberal internationalism, he was critical of American policies and goals in the Iraq War. His 2016 article in The Guardian, "The cult of memory: when history does more harm than good"—which argues that some mass atrocities are better forgotten —sparked a debate at the International Center for Transitional Justice.

Reception
Peter Rose, reviewing Rieff's 2008 book Swimming in a Sea of Death: A Son's Memoir, compares it favourably to Simone de Beauvoir's 1964 A Very Easy Death; he considers the latter "perhaps the finest of filial memoirs."

G. John Ikenberry, reviewing Rieff's 2005 book At the Point of a Gun: Democratic Dreams and Armed Intervention for Foreign Affairs, called him "one of the most engaging observers of war and humanitarian emergencies in such troubled places as Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq". He notes Rieff's "caution and misgivings", and finds especially compelling the essay where Rieff laments the gap between the misery and violence "outside the gates of the Western world" and the obstacles that prevent the West from assembling the strength, whether military or moral, to resolve the problems.

Personal life
Rieff has one child, a daughter, born in 2006.

Books

 * Texas Boots (with Sharon Delano) (Studio/Penguin, 1981)
 * Going to Miami: Tourists, Exiles and Refugees in the New America (Little, Brown, 1987)
 * Los Angeles: Capital of the Third World (Simon & Schuster, 1991)
 * The Exile: Cuba in the Heart of Miami (Simon & Schuster, 1993)
 * Slaughterhouse: Bosnia and the Failure of the West (Simon & Schuster, 1995)
 * Crimes of War: What the Public Should Know (co-editor, with Roy Gutman) (W. W. Norton, 1999)
 * A Bed for the Night: Humanitarianism in Crisis (Simon & Schuster, 2003)
 * At the Point of a Gun: Democratic Dreams and Armed Intervention (Simon & Schuster, 2005)
 * Swimming in a Sea of Death: A Son's Memoir (Simon & Schuster, 2008)
 * Reborn: Journals & Notebooks 1947-1963 (editor) (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2009)
 * Against Remembrance (Melbourne University Press. 2011)
 * As Consciousness Is Harnessed To Flesh: Journals & Notebooks 1964-1980 (editor) (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2012)
 * The Reproach of Hunger (Simon & Schuster, 2015)
 * In Praise of Forgetting: Historical Memory and Its Ironies (Yale University Press, 2016)
 * On Women (editor) (Picador, 2023)

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Honor society

In the United States, an honor society is an organization that recognizes individuals who rank above a set standard in various domains such as academics, leadership, and other personal achievements, not all of which are based on ranking systems. These societies acknowledge excellence among peers in diverse fields and circumstances. The Order of the Arrow, for example, is the National Honor Society of the Boy Scouts of America. While the term commonly refers to scholastic honor societies, which primarily acknowledge students who excel academically or as leaders among their peers, it also applies to other types of societies.

History
The origins of honor societies in the United States can be traced back to the establishment of Phi Beta Kappa in 1776 at the College of William and Mary, which began as a debating society and did not initially impose grade point average (GPA) restrictions for membership.

Many honor societies invite students to become members based on the scholastic rank (the top x% of a class) and/or grade point averages, either overall or for classes taken within the discipline for which the honor society provides recognition. In cases where academic achievement would not be an appropriate criterion for membership, other standards are usually required for membership (such as completion of a particular ceremony or training program). Scholastic honor societies commonly add a criterion relating to the student's character. Most honor societies are invitation-only, and membership in an honor society might be considered exclusive, i.e., a member of such an organization cannot join other honor societies representing the same field.

Many honor societies are referred to by their membership or by non-members as fraternities and sororities. Honor societies exist at the high school, collegiate/university, postgraduate, and professional levels, although university honor societies are by far the most prevalent. In the United States, the oldest academic society, Phi Beta Kappa, was founded as a social and literary fraternity in 1776. Other honor societies were established a century later, including Tau Beta Pi for engineering (1885), Sigma Xi for scientific research (1886), and Phi Kappa Phi for all disciplines (1897). Mortar Board was established in 1918 and was the first national honor society for women who were college seniors.

During the era of honor society expansion in the early 20th century, these organizations were generally supportive of cultural changes that challenged racism, classism, and sexism. Like other aspects of academia, honor society integration and diversity grew with the expansion of an increasingly multicultural and co-educational student body. There were some holdouts, but academia in general, and its honor societies as a reflection, were on the vanguard of change. Several Jewish-only organizations merged into (or absorbed) formerly Christian-exclusive societies. Title IX forced most single-sex societies to admit women, though many had already opted to embrace this change. Racial barriers, where they existed, were challenged and retired, with any holdouts subject to significant criticism. The presence of these holdovers and the demise of those that exhibited overt racism offer an opportunity for a critical reassessment of the criteria and culture within honor societies.

While changes sparked from within these societies were prevalent between the massive influx of students after World War II and before and after the adoption of Title IX, additionally, the demand for recognition of racially diverse scholars spurred the 2005 founding of the Bouchet Graduate Honor Society by Yale University and Howard University. Rather than adopting the traditional tapping to identify top students from a given academic class based on merit, a distinct aspect of this society's nomination process is its focus on self-nominations. A Ph.D. or Ph.D. track is required, among other qualifications. Modern honor societies are increasingly focused on creating supportive environments that promote the academic and personal development of all scholars, especially those from traditionally underrepresented groups. This evolution reflects a broader movement within academic institutions towards a more equitable and comprehensive recognition of student excellence.

Regalia
Academic robes and regalia identifying by color the degree, school, and other distinctions, are controlled under rules of a voluntary Intercollegiate Code. In addition, various colored devices such as stoles, scarves, cords, tassels, and medallions are used to indicate membership in a student's honor society. Of these, cords and mortarboard tassels are most often used to indicate membership. Most institutions allow honor cords, tassels, and/or medallions for honor society members. Stoles are less common, but they are available for a few honor societies. Virtually all, if not all honor societies have chosen such colors and may sell these items of accessory regalia as a service or fundraiser.

Umbrella organizations
The Honor Society Caucus and Association of College Honor Societies (ACHS) are two voluntary associations for national collegiate and post-graduate honor societies. ACHS formed in 1925 to establish and maintain desirable standards for honor societies. Later, four prestigious founding members of ACHS established the Honor Society Caucus, expressing that the ACHS had diluted and lost sight of the mission of its founding members. While ACHS membership is a certification that the member societies meet these standards, not all legitimate honor societies apply for membership in ACHS.

Collegiate honor societies
Notable national and international honor societies based in or at schools include the following:

General and leadership societies
General collegiate societies are open to all academic disciplines, although they may have other affinity requirements. Leadership societies recognize leadership, with a multi-disciplinary scholarship component.

Humanities
These societies are open to Humanities disciplines and may be department-specific.

Social sciences
These societies are open to social science disciplines and may be department-specific.

STEM
These societies are open to students in the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics disciplines and may be department-specific. This section also includes all healthcare-related fields, including veterinary science.

Local collegiate honor societies
Some universities have their own independent, open honor societies, which are not affiliated with any national or international organization. Such organizations typically recognize students who have succeeded academically irrespective of their field of study.

Secondary school honor societies
Commonly referred to as high school societies. This list also includes middle school societies.

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Talk:Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa

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Thoughts
I thought I'd kick off the talk page here! Off the top of my head we might want to include:
 * Historical context:
 * end of the Ottoman Empire (the concepts of umta and millet),
 * nationalism
 * and USA/European involvement (oil, war promises, League of Nations mandates).
 * Hashemite monarchy — perhaps something on the role of Middle Eastern social structures informing modes of governance.
 * The effect of minority rule (e.g. Alawite-led government of Syria, Sunni-led goverment in Iraq.
 * The forces of modernisation versus religion in Egypt and Iran.

Some food for thought? Gareth Hughes 22:56, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Definitely food for thought, and important for constructing this article. These are all good topics, and I hope we can go for a topical approach (as opposed to country by country) as much as possible. The importance of minorities (both in power and out) in particular is something that perhaps isn't talked about enough. I think we can make good progress filling out these important topics.--Pharos 00:51, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Clarification: do you mean "the Middle East", or "the Middle East and North Africa"? If the former, Morocco seems a dubious candidate to invoke. - Mustafaa 01:05, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I had meant to use a broad definition of Middle East, including North Africa, simply because the areas are connected culturally, politically etc. The linguistic distinction is not a major issue to me either way (I know its a little silly geographically to call North Africa part of the "Middle East"), but I think it's useful to treat them together.--Pharos 01:11, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough; but in that case, maybe we should move it to "Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa". - Mustafaa 01:21, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That's OK with me, but I hope we wouldn't have to change the name again to include a little about Afghanistan.--Pharos 01:34, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I would have thought Afghanistan didn't belong here at all. Are you sure you don't mean "Democracy in the Muslim world"? - Mustafaa 01:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I know, I know, regions of the world aren't exactly defined, and Afghanistan is further from the "Middle East" than North Africa, but noone can say whether Afghanistan is in Central Asia or South Asia either. I recognize that Afghanistan is really a very borderline case, but considering recent history it's probably something that should be talked about to some extent at least.  Pakistan, for me, would definitely be going too far (no, I'm definitely not talking about "the Muslim world").--Pharos 01:50, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

FYI, there is an Islamic democracy article that might be useful to reference at appropriate places. -  BanyanTree 04:40, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OK one can't include Afganistan in the Middle East anymore than you can include California in the MidWest. If you Include North Africa You really should change the name to "Democracy in Countries Conquered int he first wave of Muslim Expansion which Still Have a Muslim Majority" The Most important section is or should be on Baathism which mat at the moment be not doing that well but reamains the great home for democracy. --81.138.194.190 18:09, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I take your point; I would be rather inclined to have separate articles on Democracy in the Maghreb and Democracy in Central Asia. - Mustafaa 20:38, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Here's are a few interesting articles on democracy in the Middle East and the Muslim world that we may find helpful:

Marina Ottoway, et al., "Democratic Mirage in the Middle East," Carnegie Endowment for Ethics and International Peace, Policy Brief 20, (October 20, 2002). Internet, available online at: http://www.ceip.org/files/publications/HTMLBriefs-WP/20_October_2002_Policy_Brief/20009536v01.html

Chris Zambelis, "The Strategic Implications of Political Liberalization and Democratization in the Middle East," Parameters, (Autumn 2005). Internet, available online at: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/05autumn/zambelis.htm

Bias on the list
Looking at the rights of Bedouins (Bedouins denied same protections: bedouin protection denied ), Rights of Christians, clamp downs on dissent in reporting, rise in racism especially against refugees from Africa, and those refugees being imprisoned. I really have to question Israels rankings in all the categories.

Where were those figures from? How about an independent source please? 96.31.177.52 (talk) 09:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Expansion
Should this article expand on the governments in some of the important or notable countries, or just link to, say, Politics of Bahrain? | Mr. Darcy talk 15:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I had to change the way some footnotes were made as they would have conflicted with the format of wikipedia's guidelines.Any new footnotes added would not have been in correct numerical order. Sophielaursen 01:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

How can this article not talk about Sharia Law? Sixer Fixer (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

NPOV, citation, Wikification, and opening paragraph
I've made some edits and I think I've resolved most of NPOV statements either by removing them or attaching citations. So, I've tentatively removed the NPOV warning for the entire article. Incidentally, most of the citations were done when I got here, but I guess nobody felt comfortable enough to remove the warning? While there are still a few citation-neededs and a couple of related problems in the article, I felt it was pretty safe to get rid of that too. I made an effort to wikify the main body of the article. I think it was mostly successful although of course it could be improved.

THAT SAID I think the opening paragraph of this article is very poor. Perhaps the original author would like to take another whack at it or someone could come up with a better preamble. This one not written concisely at all. It's full of run-on sentences. It had some POV problems that might persist, though I took out the most glaring one. Other than that I think this article is getting closer.

Also, I would say that the article smacked of an American bias, which certainly is not in line with the guideline that articles should include all relevant cultural perspectives. I kept the US point of view in, properly cited, where necessary (especially in the current state section), but I think this is a main problem with the opening paragraph.

Egypt and Syria do not have regular competitive elections for presidency. Paragraph is not clear about that and gives a non-neutral and incomplete opinion. Please revise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick.N.L (talk • contribs) 02:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Bias, Political agenda, suggest deletion or rename + re-working
The heading says it. If the title of the article was 'Government in the Middle East, that would be a good start. Otherwise the whole thrust of the article is promotion of a Non-NPOV! Fremte 23:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

An Anti-Israeli bias: Here appears in a refined version the myth, that the problems of the Middle East originate from Israel (alternatively sometimes the USA or Europe): "When asked about his thoughts regarding the current state of democracy in the region he said: “People's memories... not realizing that the reason for the current state of the Middle East was first, the Arab-Israeli conflict...". Is really the Arab-Israeli conflict the reason why the region is not and was never democratic? The relevance of this quotation is highly questionable and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.64.96.101 (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Anti-Israel bias? The rankings if anything are pro-Israel biased, ignoring key problems with regards to minority rights in Israel and Israeli controlled territories.  Especially when you look at the Bedouins, migrant Africans, and Palestinians. 96.31.177.52 (talk) 23:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Has US news been our major resource?
At the top of the article: As of 2009, American organization Freedom House recognizes Israel as the only fully-fledged, free electoral democracy of the Middle East.

Does this make sense? How about these, , ? --Email4mobile (talk) 13:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Worldwide view of this subject
There is a large amount of material in the present article that seems to come from a non-worldwide-POV, even a non-US-wide POV, since it excludes the academic work (POV) of famous dissidents like Noam Chomsky. A hint for people wishing to help balance the article would be to look through Deterring Democracy for some older XX-th century examples of the US' role of deliberately deterring democracy in the Middle East except when democracy was in its interests. It might make it more obvious that USA/France/UK (and now PRChina) - as States - have geostrategic interests in the area and that desires to support Middle East democracy from grassroots citizens' groups and rare dissenters among elites in those countries have to be distinguished from propaganda claims by governments/mainstream media.

Getting worldwide POVs would require a bit of work, but this Wikipedia is not the US.wikipedia.org. It's the English-language Wikipedia for knowledge about the World. So the work has to be done if this article is to be taken seriously.

Incidentally, the 2010–2011 popular overthrow of Ben Ali without a coup d'etat seems to have shocked Western commentators who promoted the racist belief that the populations of Arab countries somehow could not overthrow authoritarian leaders in the same grassroots way that happens almost everywhere else in the world, but instead they need to be bombed and invaded for their own good. Suddenly there's the discovery that maybe Tunisia does not "need" to be bombed and invaded! Something on this (not my comments) should go in the article.

With enough work done, this might potentially become a good article.

If editing starts becoming conflictual on this article, anyone should feel free to add  at the top of this Talk page, since this editorial "sanctions regime" extends to all articles relating to the Arab–Israeli conflict "broadly construed". ("Sanctions" here do not mean preventing food and medicines from reaching Wikipedia editors.) See Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles for details.

Disclaimer: i am not an admin. :) Boud (talk) 23:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

2010-2011 Middle East and North Africa Protests
2010-2011 Middle East and North Africa Protests

2010-2011_Middle_East_and_North_Africa_Protests

I have added this to the page, as the two are directly related. --Smart30 (talk) 13:01, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 * I have tired to put somewhere where I thought it belonged -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 13:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Everything about Turkey is wrong
Hello

Everything about Turkey is wrong, like made about a Turkish government from a long time ago, or just made by people who ignore about Turkey or someone who just hates Turkey.

Turkey is acceding to the European Union and it has higher standards than many countries inside it so.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.208.56 (talk) 22:43, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

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North Africa is not the middle east
The whole idea about this article is based on the wrong foot, if we are going to talk about democracies in the middle east, then we should not include countries from regions like North Africa nor South Asia, it would have been better if there was a second article talking about Democracies in North Africa or should i say Democracy in Tunisia. Greetings. SERVITAS VITAE (talk) 13:07, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

So maybe instead of "Middle East", it should be "Middle East and North Africa"? There is, after all, the term MENA (Middle East and North Africa) with an attendant Wikipedia article. 73.97.151.151 (talk) 00:31, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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Democracy in the Middle East → Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa – This covers North Africa in addition to the Middle East. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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Scare Quotes
Is there any way to avoid the potentially ambiguous use of scare quotes in the introduction? The intro reads: Freedom House categorizes Israel and Tunisia as "Free"... Are Israel and Tunisia free, or are they "free"? Is this a direct quote, or an implication that they are not truly free? Duey (talk) 04:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Palestine section
The Palestine section seems to not be particularly accurate.Here are a few issues:

"Prior to the mass immigration of Israeli citizens to the region and the two-state solution"

Jews were not Israelis until 1948 but more importantly there has been no two state solution as of yet.

"there was no formal government or authority in the land known as Palestine. Society operated without a democracy, monarchy or dictatorship; merely a conglomerate of tribes, clans, villages and communities headed by a select few elders known as "Sheikhs" also transliterated Sheik, Sheyikh, Shaykh, Shayk, Cheikh, Shekh, Shaik and Shaikh"[34]

Haven't been able to follow up the source here but there under the Ottomans and the British there was most definitely structures of government in place.

"The two state solution drastically altered this and effectively displaced an overwhelming amount of Palestinians."

Again the two state solution has not happened and the Palestinian refugees does seem completely relevant here.

"As a result, the semi-political organization, Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed. Yasser Arafat served as chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization from 1969 to 2004 and is considered one of the most influential Palestinian leaders.[35]"

This is more or less correct but does not seem to be addressing overall the subject of democracy in the Palestinian territories.

Given all of this I would propose deleting the Palestine section and rewriting it about the structures of government in the West Bank and Gaza.

Adam Bernstein (talk) 18:56, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

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Freedom index vs Democracy index
I believe Freedom index is not relevant for this page since, the Title of this page is Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa and not Freedom in the Middle East and North Africa. Amitai Scott you reverted back to freedom index, can you explain why freedom index is more relevant than a democracy index for this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HudecEmil (talk • contribs) 09:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

 * But I agree with you that the table could look prettier, will update. HudecEmil (talk) 09:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. Is the freedom index even related to democracy methodologically? I can't tell because the 'introduction' link is currently broken, but Freedom House is also not the most neutral research outlet - it has close US gov ties. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The freedom index looks at both civil liberties and political rights (with some aspects of elections). While there is a contribution of democracy, and categorizes countries if they are "electoral democracies" or not, the index cannot be categorized as purely democracy index, only as mixed democracy and civil rights index. Currently, the methologically most sound democracy index is probably V-Dem Democracy indices. HudecEmil (talk) 12:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've since noticed that Freedom House is also both a research and advocacy organization, further diminishing their respectability as a reliable source for concrete metrics not colored by all sorts of explicit and implicit bias. The Democracy Index and V-Dem Democracy indices both seem like obviously better bets, and it is after all the former that appears in the intro. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:18, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


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Red Channels

Red Channels: The Report of Communist Influence in Radio and Television was an anti-Communist document published in the United States at the start of the 1950s. Issued by the right-wing journal Counterattack on June 22, 1950, the pamphlet-style book names 151 actors, writers, musicians, broadcast journalists, and others in the context of purported Communist manipulation of the entertainment industry. Some of the 151 were already being denied employment because of their political beliefs, history, or association with suspected subversives. Red Channels effectively placed the rest on a blacklist.

Counterattack
In May 1947, Alfred Kohlberg, an American textile importer and an ardent member of the anti-Communist China Lobby, funded an organization, led by three former FBI agents, called American Business Consultants Inc., which issued a newsletter, Counterattack. Kohlberg was also an original national council member of the John Birch Society. A special report, Red Channels: the Report of Communist Influence in Radio and Television, was published by Counterattack in June 1950. Its declared purpose was to "expos[e] the most important aspects of Communist activity in America each week."

Red Channels
The three founder members were: John G. Keenan, company president and the businessman of the trio; Kenneth M. Bierly, who would later become a consultant to Columbia Pictures; and Theodore C. Kirkpatrick, the managing editor of Counterattack and the group's spokesman. A former Army intelligence major, Francis J. McNamara, was the editor of Counterattack. The introduction to Red Channels, running just over six pages, was written by Vincent Hartnett, an employee of the Phillips H. Lord agency, an independent radio-program production house, or "packager." Hartnett would later found the anti-Communist organization AWARE, Inc. Strout (1999), p. 2; Doherty (2003), p. 8 (Doherty misspells Keenan's name "Keegan"); Miller (1971 [1952]), pp. 83–84; Cogley (1971 [1956]), pp. 3, 18, 25–26; see also By Appointment; Schwartz (1999). Email correspondence with the staff of the Authentic History Center website (see Sources below) confirms, "Nowhere in the document [Red Channels] is any author credit given," but Hartnett's contribution was apparently common knowledge at the time and Cogley quotes Hartnett referring to it as "my Red Channels" (p. 18). There are many mistaken Internet claims that Red Channels was co-written by "right-wing television producer Vincent Harnett [sic]". One published text – A Charmed Life (New York: Carroll & Graf, 2005 [2004]), by Lynn Haney – makes precisely that assertion, giving no source, and its discussion of Red Channels is otherwise riddled with errors. Haney states that the tract "claimed [the 151 listees] had been members of subversive organizations before the Second World War" (p. 163); Red Channels made no such claim; in fact, it carefully avoids making any direct claims about the listees, but simply records raw data, some of it as recent as May 1950 (see, e.g., "Pete Seeger" entry, Red Channels, p. 131). Haney states that those named "had not so far been blacklisted" (A Charmed Life, ibid.). In fact, as just one example, radio professional William Sweets, named in Red Channels, had already been blacklisted for a year (see Cogley [1956], pp. 25–28; "Who's Blacklisted?"). As for Hartnett's alleged occupation as a "television producer," his name does not appear at the Internet Movie Database (IMDb.com), with its extensive record of television credits – either under the proper spelling of his name or "Harnett." The 213-page tract, released three years after the House Un-American Activities Committee began investigating purported Communist Party influence in the entertainment field, claims to expose the spread – by means of advocacy of civil rights, academic freedom, and nuclear weapons control – of that influence, in radio and television entertainment. Referring to current television programming, the Red Channels introduction declares that

"[S]everal commercially sponsored dramatic series are used as sounding boards, particularly with reference to current issues in which the Party is critically interested: 'academic freedom,' 'civil rights,' 'peace,' the H-bomb, etc ... With radios in most American homes and with approximately 5 million TV sets in use, the Cominform and the Communist Party USA now rely more on radio and TV than on the press and motion pictures as 'belts' to transmit pro-Sovietism to the American public."

The introduction to Red Channels described how the Communist Party attracts both financial and political backing from those in the entertainment industry:

"No cause which seems calculated to arouse support among people in show business is ignored: the overthrow of Francoist Spain, the fight against anti-Semitism and Jimcrow, civil rights, world peace, the outlawing of the H-Bomb, are all used. Around such pretended objectives, the hard core of Party organizers gather a swarm of 'reliables' and well-intentioned 'liberals,' to exploit their names and their energies."

Red Channels served as a vehicle for the expansion of the entertainment industry blacklist that denied employment to a host of artists it considered sympathetic to "subversive" causes, attempted to forestall criticism by claiming that the Communist Party itself engaged in blacklisting, seeing to it that "articulate anti-Communists are blacklisted and smeared with that venomous intensity which is characteristic of Red Fascists alone."

Red Channels list
Red Channels listed 151 professionals in entertainment and on-air journalism whom it clearly implied were among "the Red Fascists and their sympathizers" in the broadcasting field. Each of the names is followed by a raw list of putatively telling data, with the sources of evidence varying from FBI and HUAC citations to newspaper articles culled from the mainstream press, industry trade sheets, and such Communist publications as the Daily Worker. For example, under the heading for Burgess Meredith, identified as Actor, Director, Producer – Stage, Screen, Radio, TV, the first three of a total of seven data points read:

Impact
Jean Muir was the first performer to lose employment because of a listing in Red Channels. In 1950 Muir was named as a Communist sympathizer in the pamphlet, and was immediately removed from the cast of the television sitcom The Aldrich Family, in which she had been cast as Mrs. Aldrich. NBC had received between 20 and 30 phone calls protesting her being in the show. General Foods, the sponsor, said that it would not sponsor programs in which "controversial persons" were featured. Though the company later received thousands of calls protesting the decision, it was not reversed.

Many other well-known artists were named, including Hollywood stars such as Edward G. Robinson and Orson Welles (who by then, due to tax problems, was in Europe), literary figures such as Dorothy Parker and Lillian Hellman, and musicians such as Hazel Scott, Pete Seeger and Leonard Bernstein. Ex-leftist and HUAC informant J. B. Matthews claimed responsibility for providing the listings; he would also work for United States Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-WI). By 1951, those identified in Red Channels were blacklisted across much or all of the movie and broadcast industries unless and until they cleared their names, the customary requirement being that they testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) and name names, which the vast majority refused to do.

Lawsuits
One libel lawsuit was filed against Red Channels, by actor Joe Julian, who charged that Red Channels was responsible for his income plummeting from $18,000 the year it was published to barely $1,500 three years later. The case was dismissed on the basis of the tract's care in not making overt claims about specific individuals and its brief disclaimer: "In screening personnel every safeguard must be used to protect genuine liberals from being unjustly labelled."

CBS radio personality John Henry Faulk also sued. Faulk was a favorite target of Hartnett, who proudly proclaimed himself a coauthor of Red Channels. In 1953, Hartnett started AWARE, Inc., an anti-Communist organization with its own bulletin focused on the entertainment industry. The bulletin said that, in the 1940s, Faulk had sponsored a pro-Communist peace rally, entertained at pro-Communist clubs, appeared at Communist front activities, and addressed a "Spotlight on [Henry] Wallace" event in "'the official training school of the Communist conspiracy in New York'" (p. 232). CBS fired Faulk a bit over a year after he filed his lawsuit. In 1962, a jury awarded Faulk $3.5 million in damages. Although the award was later reduced, the verdict marked the effective end of the blacklisting era.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Dog Returns

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Charlie Dog Returns
Zero Google hits, no entry at imbd. RickK 22:57, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

This was a obscure cartoon TV show being aired after a three-month weekly run, there are many obscure material out there that haven't been discovered and largely ignored by Google. Please don't ever delete this article, someone needs to continue on creating it.

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I am mostly 24 years old, since some of you may be younger than I am.
 * Delete. An obscure cartoon TV show isn't famous enough to be in an encyclopedia. Minos 23:57, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. Megan1967 23:59, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Is this a Scooby-Doo series? If it is, it might be a merge candidate into the main article. I cannot determine if it is. JoaoRicardo 02:35, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Charlie Dog has an article as a basic wikipedia search would show you, this blurb about Charlie Dog Returns should be merged there --nixie 02:48, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Charlie Dog. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:51, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment You may merge it, but Jeff schiller or others will delete it, he has been doing this as far as September 2004, although he denies Charlie appeared in the cartoons between 1974 and 1990. Charlie is just a homeless little hound, who searches for a master and ends up finding one, and sometimes makes friends, etc.

User: 4.xxx.xxx.xxx

What is there to merge, if there is not so much as a single mention of this supposed program on the Internet? Can somebody provide some proof that this show every existed? RickK 20:28, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

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Julius Sang

Julius Sang (19 September 1948 – 9 April 2004) was a Kenyan athlete. Along with teammates Robert Ouko, Charles Asati and Munyoro Nyamau, he won the 4 x 400 relay race at the 1972 Summer Olympics for Kenya. He also took a bronze medal in the individual 400 meter race.

He ran for North Carolina Central University, where he was part of their record-setting team at the Penn Relays. Sang was married to fellow runner Tecla Chemabwai Sang. In 2004, he unexpectedly died while he was undergoing treatment for a stomach ailment.

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No Depression (magazine)

No Depression is a quarterly roots music journal with a concurrent online publication. In print, No Depression is an ad-free publication focused on long-form music reporting and deep analysis that ties contemporary artists with the long chain of American roots music. In April 2020, No Depression introduced digital versions of their print journal. While the print journal remains ad-free, the digital versions include roots-music-related advertisements. Its journal contributors include roots music artists as well as professional critics and reporters, photographers, illustrators, and artists.

Its online edition was largely crowd-sourced by contributions from a combination of writers and fans, regular columnists and staff reviewers. In 2019, the online version of the publication moved to align more with its print version variant by no longer accepting community posts.

History
No Depression was launched in September 1995 (as a quarterly) by co-editors/co-founders Grant Alden and Peter Blackstock. Kyla Fairchild, who handled the business functions of the magazine from the beginning, became a co-publisher with Alden and Blackstock in 1998. The magazine was named for the Carter Family song "No Depression in Heaven," the 1990 album No Depression by the band Uncle Tupelo, and an early AOL online discussion group on alternative country called The No Depression Folder.

No Depression has received the Utne Reader Independent Press Awards for Arts & Literature coverage, and was cited as one of the nation's Top 20 magazines of any kind in 2004 by the Chicago Tribune.

Two No Depression music festivals took place at Marymoore Park, just outside Seattle. The first was on July 11, 2009, and featured Gillian Welch, Iron and Wine, Patterson Hood and the Screwtopians, Jesse Sykes, Justin Townes Earle, Jessica Lea Mayfield, Zee Avi, and Seattle roots music all-stars. The second was August 21, 2010 and featured The Swell Season, Lucinda Williams, The Cave Singers, Alejandro Escovedo, Chuck Prophet, Sera Cahoone, and The Maldives.

The publishers announced in February 2008 that the May–June 2008 issue would be their last. Buddy Miller was featured on the cover of the final issue, with No Depression declaring him Artist of the Decade. Soon after, co-founders Alden and Blackstock sold their ownership stakes to Fairchild in 2008 and 2010, respectively. In the wake of the magazine going out of print, No Depression launched a community website (NoDepression.com) on the Ning platform in February 2009.

Fairchild sold her ownership of No Depression to FreshGrass LLC in 2014. In 2016, the FreshGrass Foundation – a nonprofit organization that supports roots musicians and music scenes around the United States – took over No Depression and the FreshGrass Festival which it operates in conjunction with Massachusetts Museum of Contemporary Art (MASS MoCA).

Return to print
In May 2015, No Depression announced it would be returning to print after seven years of being an online-only publication. According to an article by Kim Ruehl, "we’re opening up pre-orders via Kickstarter for what will be a truly unique magazine – there will be no advertisements. Instead, the articles will be accompanied only by stunning photography and original illustrations. The paper will be larger and thicker than you might remember from the original incarnation, printed by the one of the only carbon-neutral printers in North America."

History of print features
Features from the No Depression print journal (2015–present) Cover features from the original print magazine (1995–2008)
 * 1995: #1:  Son Volt (Fall)
 * 1996: #2:  Blue Mountain (Winter), #3:  Steve Earle (Spring), #4:  Honey Wilds (Summer), #5:  Wilco (Sept–Oct), #6:  Jason & the Scorchers (Nov–Dec)
 * 1997: #7:  The Waco Brothers (Jan–Feb), #8:  Bad Livers (March–April), #9:  Bottle Rockets (May–June), #10:  Whiskeytown (July–Aug), #11:  Robbie Fulks (Sept–Oct), #12:  Ricky Skaggs (Nov–Dec)
 * 1998: #13:  Victoria Williams & Mark Olson (Jan–Feb), #14:  Alejandro Escovedo (March–April), #15:  Ralph Stanley (May–June), #16:  Lucinda Williams (July–Aug), #17:  Emmylou Harris (Sept–Oct), #18:  Golden Smog (Nov–Dec)
 * 1999: #19:  Don Williams (Jan–Feb), #20:  Steve Earle & Del McCoury (March–April), #21:  Old 97's (May–June), #22:  Gram Parsons (July–Aug), #23:  Buddy & Julie Miller (Sept–Oct), #24:  Dolly Parton (Nov–Dec)
 * 2000: #25:  5th Anniversary Issue (Jan–Feb), #26:  Jimmie Dale Gilmore (March–April), #27:  The Jayhawks (May–June), #28:  Loretta Lynn (July–Aug), #29:  Allison Moorer (Sept–Oct), #30:  Merle Haggard (Nov–Dec)
 * 2001: #31:  Rodney Crowell (Jan–Feb), #32:  Billy Joe Shaver (March–April), #33:  Lucinda Williams (May–June), #34:  Patty Loveless (July–Aug), #35:  Gillian Welch (Sept–Oct), #36:  Jay Farrar (Nov–Dec)
 * 2002: #37:  Kasey Chambers (Jan–Feb), #38:  Isaac Freeman (March–April), #39:  The Flatlanders (May–June), #40:  Kelly Willis (July–Aug), #41:  Guy Clark (Sept–Oct), #42:  Johnny Cash (Nov–Dec)
 * 2003: #43:  Alison Krauss (Jan–Feb), #44:  Rosanne Cash (March–April), #45:  Little Miss Cornshucks (May–June), #46:  Drive-By Truckers (July–Aug), #47:  Lyle Lovett (Sept–Oct), #48:  Bottle Rockets (Nov–Dec)
 * 2004: #49:  T-Bone Burnett (Jan–Feb), #50:  Patty Griffin (March–April), #51:  Loretta Lynn (May–June), #52:  Dave Alvin (July–Aug.), #53:  Willie Nelson (Sept–Oct), #54:  Iris DeMent (Nov–Dec)
 * 2005: #55:  Mary Gauthier (Jan–Feb), #56:  Vic Chesnutt (March–April), #57:  John Prine (May–June),
 * 58: Lizz Wright (July–Aug), #59:  Nickel Creek (Sept–Oct), #60:  New Orleans (Nov–Dec)
 * 2006: #61:  Joe Henry (Jan–Feb), #62:  Kris Kristofferson (March–April), #63:  Alejandro Escovedo & Jon Dee Graham (May–June), #64:  Allen Toussaint & Elvis Costello (July–Aug), #65:  Old Crow Medicine Show (Sept–Oct), #66:  Solomon Burke (Nov–Dec)
 * 2007: #67:  Lucinda Williams (Jan–Feb), #68:  The Shins (Mar–Apr), #69:  Miranda Lambert (May–June), #70:  Porter Wagoner (July–Aug), #71:  Josh Ritter (Sept–Oct), #72:  John Fogerty (Nov–Dec)
 * 2008: #73:  Shelby Lynne (Jan–Feb), #74:  String bands special (March–April), #75:  Buddy Miller (May–June)

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BBC Radio 3 Wed 23 Feb, 20:45 - 21:00 15 mins 3/3. Simon Heffer examines the contemporary relevance of Herbert Butterfield's The Whig Interpretation of History. [Rpt of Sun 10.45pm] Then News.

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Saint Agnes Academy (Texas)

St. Agnes Academy is a Dominican college-preparatory school for young women grades 9 through 12 in the Chinatown area and in the Greater Sharpstown district of Houston, Texas. The school operates within the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston.

History
Pauline Gannon, a Dominican Sister, founded St. Agnes Academy in 1905. St. Agnes opened on February 11, 1906, at 3901 Fannin Street in what is now considered to be Midtown. The school was named after Saint Agnes of Rome. The school was founded as a grade one through 12 school with boarding facilities. The University of Texas and the Texas State Board of Education accredited St. Agnes in 1917. In 1939, boarding was discontinued. In 1952, St. Agnes began to serve grades 9 through 12 only. In 1963, the school moved from its Fannin Street location to its current location at 9000 Bellaire Boulevard in the Sharpstown area of Houston, Texas.

Location
In September 1963, the school moved across town to its current location at 9000 Bellaire Boulevard (near the intersection of Gessner Drive and Bellaire Boulevard). St. Agnes Academy is located adjacent to Strake Jesuit College Preparatory, a Jesuit boys' high school.

Culture
In 1974 Texas Monthly stated that St. Agnes had an image of being for "older Catholic families" since many alumnae of the school sent their daughters to attend St. Agnes. The magazine stated that students from both St. Agnes and Duchesne, another Houston-area Catholic girls' school, originated from "mostly business and professional people with money."

Notable alumnae

 * Hanan Alattar (Class of 1994), operatic soprano
 * Alexis Bledel (Class of 1999), actress
 * Patricia Gras (Class of 1979), journalist
 * Monica Youn, poet, lawyer, and professor

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Talk:Clareification

good to hear the clareification plus fish n chips is still happening... hasn't changed since i was a student in 1997!

Notability?
Bearing in mind this magazine has a maximum potential readership of around 650 people, does it really deserve its own Wikipedia page? Any number of organisations (schools, colleges, companies, charities, sports clubs, etc) must publish newsletters with a wider circulation. Should it not be absorbed into the main Clare College entry? AuntFlo (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I was planning to raise the same objection myself, until I got to the part about the cartoon controversy. That incident itself, having received national media attention, seems to be at least something of an argument for noteworthiness. Some tongue-in-cheek parts of the introduction, however, (especially the uncited quotes) are quite clearly unsuitable for WP; I intend to remove those. --Undomelin (talk) 07:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sidewaysbike

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Sidewaysbike
Advertising. Alexa ranking of 2,101,784. Preisler 22:59, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * SidewaysBike was a speedy deletion candidate. This article is self-professed advertising. Delete. Uncle G 23:02, 2005 Feb 20 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, advertising is not a valid reason for speedy deletion. Dpbsmith (talk)

 * Keep SidewaysBike This bicycle is a legimitate new invention covered by US Patent 6,598,892 entitled "Two wheel steering bicycle with latitudinal aligned wheels" issued July 29 2003. There has to be room on Wikipedia for the new (SidewaysBike) as well as the old. There is no product for sale.MGKillian

 * Comment: I think a page for this is probably premature, but a redirect to bicycle might be appropriate if suitable content was made available. There are only two possibilities: Either this takes off or it doesn't. If it does, it's encyclopedic. If it doesn't I think it would still be interesting enough to have a short paragraph (and even an external link) in the bicycle page, as one of many unsuccessful curiousities. On that basis, Michael, would you be prepared to licence the contents of your promotional site (expecially the photos) for use here under the GFDL? I think that's the only use of this content that we can make at this stage. PS Michael, please make yourself a userid, and please don't use a colon in the middle of it, it's confusing and asking for trouble. Sorry this is so long, and no vote as yet. Andrewa 00:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would be happy to licence the contents of www.sidewaysbike.com under GFDL.MGKillian

 * Delete. Not notable. Apparently it is not even sold yet. JoaoRicardo 02:27, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. 1) Self-professed original research. 2) Also: not exactly advertising, but clearly intended as promotional ("it is worthwhile and newsworthy to spread the word of a legitimate invention"). It may be worthwhile, but Wikipedia is not for such purposes. 3) "The Future of this Invention It is difficult to predict the commercial success of any invention..." That is another way of saying it is not yet notable. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for now, inventions are more or less original research until they are actually made and -used by people-, when the bike gets made I'd support the article--nixie 02:45, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Move to User:MGKillian. If the bicycle eventually goes into production and becomes notable, this article can be reviewed again, but for now userfy. Megan1967 04:02, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. When it starts selling and is reasonably widely available as an alternative to the traditional bicycle, we can have an article. HyperZonktalk 18:50, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment An acquaintance of mine who spends as much time in bikeforums.net as I spend in Wikipedia said that it was at best a novelty or curiosity and not to be taken seriously. Search on "sidewaysbike" in bikeforums.net turns up nothing, seach on "sideways" turns up nothing relevant. Rather surprising as they love odd bikes (my acquaintance sends me pictures of the odder ones from time to time... ever see a bicycle made entirely out of bamboo? Or a sort of unicycle with an outer wheel over six feet in diameter, with the rider's seat entirely inside?) Sidewaysbike's inventor has been energetically posting in bike-related USENET forums, see this search, with no evidence of any serious interest. Typical comments: "mad stuff," "And this a solution to what problem?" "Well, from where I sit, that looks like a collection of novelty demo units whose sale to the general public would be the source of a certain amount of glee among the personal injury attorney crowd." Dpbsmith (talk) 15:35, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment P. S. Most favorable comment I've seen in USENET so far: "Why not just enjoy the design and engineering that went into this thing. Obviously it won't be the next new thing in bike design. But it IS a very cool design and implementation." If it were to become popular, of course, even as a fad novelty then it would be reasonable to have an article on it. Reminds me of an article in, IIRC, Science some years ago in which some researchers studying how bicycles worked, i.e. what was the actual physics involved, tested their theories by attempting to build unridable bicycles, ones on which it was impossible for a human to maintain balance. Once used a tiny little caster for a front wheel. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:44, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Newbury Racecourse

Newbury Racecourse is a racecourse and events venue in the civil parish of Greenham, adjoining the town of Newbury in Berkshire, England. It has courses for flat races and over jumps. It hosts one of Great Britain's 36 annual Group 1 flat races, the Lockinge Stakes.

The racecourse is noted for its proximity to the Lambourn training centre, which means that the course is often home to locally-grown talent as well as attracting horses from further afield. Newbury's major races include the Lockinge Stakes and its most famous race, the Coral Gold Cup (formerly known as the Hennessy Gold Cup).

History
Although the racecourse on its current site was not established until 1905, the first recorded horse racing in Newbury took place in 1805 with ‘Newbury Races’, an annual two-day race meeting at Enborne Heath. The meeting lasted until 1811 when it transferred to Woodhay Heath until 1815.

The course came into being in the early 20th century, when Kingsclere trainer John Porter proposed a new racecourse in Newbury, which was eventually approved with the support of King Edward VII. In April 1904, the Newbury Racecourse Company was founded, purchased the land and constructed the buildings and stables on the current site.

On 26 and 27 September 1905, the first ever race meeting took place at Newbury Racecourse. Copper King, ridden by Charlie Trigg and trained by Charles Marnes, won the opening race, the Whatcombe Handicap. The racecourse's founder John Porter trained Zelis to win the Regulation Plate on 27 September.

National Hunt racing followed shortly after Flat racing and in 1906, nine days racing were planned for Newbury – six on the Flat and three over Jumps. The course has been home to both Flat and Jump racing ever since, and celebrated its centenary in 2005.

During the First World War, the racecourse was used as a prisoner-of-war camp for German prisoners.

Queen Elizabeth II was a regular attendee of race meetings at Newbury, most notably in 2012, when she celebrated her 86th birthday there.

In September 2020 it was reported that, due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Newbury Racecourse had experienced a 68% loss of turnover for the first 6 months of 2020.

In January 2021 a COVID-19 vaccination centre was established at Newbury Racecourse.

On January 1st 2024, Newbury Racecourse announced The Online Betting Guide, OLBG as the new partner of the Owners Club, which is now named The OLBG Owners' Club. Alongside this, on Saturday 20th April 2024, OLBG was the race sponsor of the £70,000 Spring Cup.

Concerts
Newbury Racecourse has increasingly played host to numerous live concerts in recent years. This has predominantly been through the Party in the Paddock, in which horse racing meets during the summer are accompanied by a live concert at the end of racing.

One of the first concerts held at the racecourse was by Welsh reggae-metal band Skindred in 2006, followed by English reggae and pop band UB40 in July 2008. The latter was one of two concerts held in 2008, with Irish boyband Boyzone performing in August as part of the Ladies Day horse racing meet.

Since 2008, Newbury Racecourse has held between one and three concerts each year, mostly in support of horse racing meets. This has included three appearances by Madness, Tom Jones, Simply Red and Olly Murs.

American singer Lionel Richie was forced to cancel a performance at Newbury Racecourse in September 2012 due to illness, which would have been his first performance in the UK since 2009.

American girl group Pussycat Dolls were scheduled to perform at Newbury Racecourse as part of the Party in the Paddock on 15 August 2020, but was cancelled as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

However, the Party in the Paddock returned in 2021, when Olly Murs performed the first concert at Newbury Racecourse following the COVID-19 pandemic on 14 August, with an audience of 17,000. Murs had to perform with a leg brace following a serious knee injury. He returned to perform at Newbury Racecourse in August 2023, his third appearance at the venue.

Facilities
The racecourse has a dedicated railway station, which sees heavy traffic and additional trains on race days. It also acts as a venue for conferences, meetings, weddings and Hen and Stag parties.

2011 incident
On 12 February 2011, two horses, Marching Song and Fenix Two, collapsed and died in the Paddock while parading for the first race of the day. Two others also appeared to have been affected, Kid Cassidy and The Merry Giant. The novice hurdle race went ahead, starting about 20 min late, but the rest of the day's racing was abandoned.

On 17 February, the preliminary results of the investigation into the incident were released.

Professor Tim Morris, Director of Equine Science and Welfare for the British Horseracing Authority, reported that they had been informed that there had been leakage from an electrical cable running under the parade ring. Both the horses had been examined postmortem and sudden cardiac arrest, consistent with accidental electrocution, had been identified as the cause of death and no other cause of death was further investigated.

Professor Morris also stated: "I can also confirm that, contrary to speculation, no evidence of any burn marks around the mouth was found on post mortem examination, neither were such marks found by the veterinary surgeons on the horses at the start."

title: Newbury Racecourse