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Fair Lawn
Additionally, Weird NJ has also been responsible for saving the historical copper dome in the town center of Fair Lawn, which was scheduled to be torn down after a fire destroyed the building it sat upon.

Is this really true? I assume this is referring to the Radburn clock tower, which isn't a dome and I don't think Weird NJ had anything to do with that.

Controversy
When I rewrote the article I left out the part about a controversy about the Ramapough Mountains Indians because I could not find any evidence that the controversy was that significant (or existed, but Im sure it did). I also could not find any information about any controversy about promoting tresspassing which I vaguely remember, does anyone know anymore?

 * Wouldn't that be the Ramapo Mountains? _ Nunh-huh
 * Ramapough Mountain Indians seems to say there are two possible spellingsMechBrowman 04:26, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)MechBrowman

Website
Is there really any reason to mention the websites? They aren't really anything more than ads and portals for basic information about the magazine and books. It's like mentioning that Coca-Cola has a website, or CNN. Everyone has a website.

- Really, I don't see any reason why NOT to include the website. It's convenient for the user who wants to go on to the primary source. If I'm reading about CNN, I would find it convenient to be able to click directly to the CNN site to see for myself. Same here. (D.B. Echo, Feb. 19, 2006)
 * Exactly...Those are the official websites. They're a part of what "Weird NJ" is.  It is relevant. Michael 08:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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List of Weird Books
I wanted to add this list of every book in the "Weird States" series, but I'm not entirely sure where to put it on this page, or if a seperate page for the series would be a better place for it. All release dates are from Amazon.

 * 1. Weird NJ - August 28, 2003
 * 2. Weird U.S. - October 4, 2004
 * 3. Weird Florida - April 7, 2005
 * 4. Weird Illinois - April 7, 2005
 * 5. Weird Wisconsin - April 7, 2005
 * 6. Weird Pennsylvania - July 25, 2005
 * 7. Weird Texas - July 25, 2005
 * 8. Weird New England - September 25, 2005 (covers Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Vermont)
 * 9. Weird New York - November 25, 2005
 * 10. Weird Ohio - January 15, 2006
 * 11. Weird California - March 2, 2006
 * 12. Weird Georgia - April 24, 2006
 * 13. Weird Maryland - July 25, 2006
 * 14. Weird Michigan - July 25, 2006
 * 15. Weird Minnesota - September 1, 2006
 * 16. Weird NJ Volume 2 - September 1, 2006
 * 17. Weird Virginia - June 1, 2007.
 * 18. Weird Carolinas - June 1, 2007 (covers North and South Carolina).
 * 19. Weird Las Vegas and Nevada - October 1, 2007.
 * 20. Weird Arizona - October 1, 2007.
 * 21. Weird England - October 1, 2007.
 * 22. Weird Indiana - May 6, 2008
 * 23. Weird Kentucky - May 6, 2008
 * 24. Weird Massachusetts - May 6, 2008
 * 25. Weird Washington - May 6, 2008

Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr.

70.179.124.34 (talk) 08:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

And here's some more. Six classics, rereleased in paperback, and three new books. All dates from Amazon.

 * 26. Weird U.S. The ODDyssey Continues - to be released November 4, 2008
 * 27. Weird Missouri - to be released November 4, 2008
 * 28. Weird Louisiana - to be released May 5, 2009
 * Weird California - paperback edition to be released May 5, 2009
 * Weird Florida - paperback edition to be released May 5, 2009
 * Weird N.J. - paperback edition to be released May 5, 2009
 * Weird Pennsylvania - paperback edition to be released May 5, 2009
 * Weird Texas - paperback edition to be released May 5, 2009
 * Weird U.S. - paperback edition to be released May 5, 2009

Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr. Anon e Mouse Jr. (talk) 22:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

More new hardcovers for the series (finally), including the long-delayed Weird Louisiana:

 * Weird Louisiana: Your Travel Guide to Louisiana's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets by Roger Manley, Mark Moran, and Mark Sceurman (Hardcover - Jan. 5, 2010)
 * Weird Oregon: Your Travel Guide to Oregon's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets by Al Eufrasio, Jefferson Davis, Mark Sceurman, and Mark Moran (Hardcover - May 4, 2010)
 * Weird Colorado: Your Travel Guide to Colorado's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets by Charmaine Ortega Getz (Hardcover - May 4, 2010)
 * Weird Encounters: True Tales of Haunted Places by Joanne Austin and Ryan Doan (Hardcover - Sept. 7, 2010)
 * Weird Hollywood: Your Travel Guide to Hollywood's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets by Joe Oesterle, Mark Moran, and Mark Sceurman (Hardcover - Oct. 5, 2010)

Also, "Weird Hauntings: True Tales of Ghostly Places by Joanne Austin, Mark Moran, and Mark Scuerman (Hardcover - Sept. 1, 2006)" is part of this series. "Weird Encounters" is a follow-up to it.

Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr. Anon e Mouse Jr. (talk) 00:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Two more hardcovers:

 * Weird Oklahoma: Your Travel Guide to Oklahoma's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets by Wesley Treat and Mark Sceurman (Hardcover - May 3, 2011)
 * Weird Tennessee: Your Travel Guide to Tennessee's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets by Roger Manley, Mark Sceurman, and Mark Moran (Hardcover - May 3, 2011)

(Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.) Anon e Mouse Jr. (talk) 06:26, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Perhaps you might want to create a new article, "List of Weird States books" or something like that. For lots of examples of other "Lists" articles, see List of lists of lists (no kidding). Cheers! Reify-tech (talk) 16:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

(I started this page, hehe)
I started this page in 2004, although the history will just show my IP back then... not bragging, just showing my love for Weird NJ ! Spettro9 (talk) 05:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels

Later life
Could more information about his later life be included in this article? XXX

 * I did some editing, including a note about his being banned from publishing and his post-war utterances against Hitler.

 * I also, removed the reference to Karl Kraus. It is not obvious to me what kind of a influence that was. Maybe a stylistic one. If it is to be included, someone should provide a reference for that. Str1977 10:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

This post-1945 section is missing as of 2019. Zezen (talk) 10:57, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Links
Ludicrous amount of links in this article. Distracts from the reading, honestly why does right wing for example need to be linked?????

Given name erroneously omitted
This article seems to assert that Lanz was applied as von Liebenfels' given name. I believe that is incorrect. "Lanz von Liebenfels" would be his assumed surname, never giving up "Jörg" as his given name. Thus, I propose that the article should be moved to Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels. That name currently being occupied by a redirect page, that redirect should be deleted by an administrator before the move in order to preserve the article's edit history. __meco 15:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Blavatskian-Theosophic Racialism
Sumathi Ramaswamy, The Lost Land of Lemuria (University of California Press, 2004), p. 68: Indeed, Theosophy generates a complex geography of human races in which all the black peoples of the world are either Lemurians or their degenerate descendents, while the most advanced peoples of today--white Caucasians--are members of the fifth Root-race, far removed from them (77). In the Theosophical evolutionism, as Spirit--or Monad or Pilgrim--works its way through the history of the earth, it "is compelled to incarnate in, or rather contact, every race" (78). As it marches across the history of the earth, Spirit manifests itself in the form of the various Root-races and sub-races which it successively sheds as it surges upward toward our present Fifth Race, the most perfect so far. Those who get left behind--referred to variously as "sluggards" and "failures"--are destined to stagnate. Arguably, this enchanted evolutionary vision is much more racist and hierarchical than that espoused by many a contemporary disenchanted materialist, for millions of years separate the white Anglo-Saxon from the black aborigine whose origins are ascribed to the "racial decay" that besets the seventh sub-race in the closing years of Lemuria's life on earth (79). Further, rather than emerging from the more perfected forms of the Fourth Root-race on Atlantis, as the majority of northern humanity do, the blacks of the world--"fallen, degraded semblances of humanity"--are deemed to be descendents of a Root-race that was ultimately transcended by other, superior forms (80). Lemuria is handy in this regard as well, allowing the Theosophist to not only place the lower, degraded specimens of humanity in a different time, but also to isolate them further from the more evolved races by tracing their origins to a totally different continental configuration (81). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.136.1.133 (talk) 06:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I believe Blavatsky also wrote in The Secret Doctrine somewhere that any racial mixture can evolve into a new root-race sui generis, and if it fails to develop 'superior' qualities it is only for lack of historical opportunity, not because of any inherent incapacity. I think she may even have written that Australian aborigines might have become the dominant race if matters had fallen out differently; she certainly wrote that all the claims about superior and inferior races collapse to the ground. I wish I had made a note of the reference. Maybe somebody else can dig it up.

 * Regarding the previous post, I agree that the article should be moved to Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels, but since that particular redirect has only one edit in the edit history, my understanding is that the move can be performed by anybody without needing an admin. In fact I'll be bold and do it myself. Gnostrat (talk) 20:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The point is, the present fair-skinned Aryan Caucasians, Indo-Celtic/whatever or "white people" of this decadent age are sure to be destroyed in a Platonic-Atlantic cataclysm in time, but Blavatsky SPECIFICALLY CONCRETELY ANTHROPOLOGICALLY LOCATES the "ONLY recipients" of the "most advanced monads" (i.e., those gifted with largeness and brilliance of intellect potentially) EXCLUSIVELY within current "white", Anglo-Teutonic humankind. The next racial step is the up-breeding of Anglo-Celtic and Slavic-Teutonic Germanic types into a higher type of Germanic. The next sub-race of the Aryan race is supposed to be of even whiter complexion and more fair and delicate of hue, "blue blooded", and to combine emotion, intellect and intuition i noetic holism. Negroid-Lemuria "stragglers" and "residual" aboriginal elements are to be wiped out by means of assimilating genetic conquest of appropriation, or left to die off in a regression to bestial status. It is all outlined in open in the S.D.

EVEN IF there is an ENDLESS CYCLE OF REPEATED RACIAL DESTRUCTION, BLAVATSKY MAKES CLEAR DISCRETE IDENTIFIABLE RACIAL FACTORS OF THE BIOLOGICAL ORDER ARE CENTRAL TO PICTURING THE OVERALL COSMIC-DRAMA, MOMENTARILY AND WITHIN EACH CYCLE OF ADAMIC HUMANITY AND SUB-CYCLE... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Article's origins
I was searching for a source for the claim of correspondence with August Strindberg since the latter's page (which is seriously lengthy and detailed) doesn't seem to mention it. I found what seems to me like an indication that the article was copied verbatim from World Heritage Encyclopedia, on self.gutenberg.org followed by /articles/eng/Lanz_von_Liebenfels Am I interpreting this correctly? Is it a problem that requires a response, such as WP:COPYVIO? What would that response be? ЄlєvєN єvєN | | иэvэ иэvэlэ 17:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

"Scientific career"
Is there a more suitable title we could use in the box rather than "scientific career"? I mean, he was basically -- to put this as objectively as possible -- a froth-mouthed mysogynist, raging racist, and obsessive mythomaniac, albeit fun to read. There is nothing in his writing that would warrant the term "scientific". Trigaranus (talk) 10:48, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Replaced the "infobox scientist" by "infobox person" since there is no "infobox loon". --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Secret Society Order of the New Templars
The use of the terms "fascist" and "fascism" is anachronistic, as is the reference to communism in this section. Furthermore, the goal of an organization founded in 1900 could hardly have been "to bring rightwing extremists together and mobilise them in favor of Nazism".Fredhedges (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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Ella Enchanted (soundtrack)

Ella Enchanted: Original Soundtrack is the soundtrack to the movie Ella Enchanted which was released by Hollywood Records. The album features Kelly Clarkson, Jesse McCartney and Raven-Symoné. Anne Hathaway also performs three songs on this album including one duet with Jesse McCartney.

Promotion
In 2006, Disney made a new music video for the Disney Princess franchise to "It's Not Just Make Believe" by Kari Kimmel with footage from various Disney animated films, which was shown on the Disney Channel numerous times and featured on the Disney Princess Sing-Along Songs: Perfectly Princess DVD in Sing-Along form.

Critical reception
Heather Phares, from Allmusic said: "Though the film is technically a Miramax offering," "the soundtrack is downright Disney, gathering songs from the studio's stable of prefab teen pop singers." She praised Kelly Clarkson "out-sings them all on "Respect", which, despite its canned-sounding accompaniment, makes the most of her voice".

She concludes "Indeed, most of the Ella Enchanted soundtrack plays like a souped-up school musical, although that does give it sort of an awkward charm."

Track listing
Source:

^previously released on American Idol: Greatest Moments

Possible alternate release
Source:
 * 1) Jesse McCartney and Anne Hathaway - "Don't Go Breakin' My Heart"
 * 2) Kari Kimmel - "It's Not Just Make Believe"
 * 3) Kelly Clarkson - "Respect"
 * 4) Jump5 - "Walking On Sunshine"
 * 5) Raven Symone - "True to Your Heart"
 * 6) Kaci - "I Think I Love You"
 * 7) Anne Hathaway - "You Make Me Feel Like Dancing" (Remix)
 * 8) Anne Hathaway - "Somebody to Love"
 * 9) Andrea Remanda and Bryan Adams - "If You Believe"
 * 10) Darren Hayes - "Strange Magic"
 * 11) Stimulator - "Magic"
 * 12) The Beu Sisters - "Once Upon a Broken Heart"
 * 13) Sean Devel - Score Suite

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Vic Chesnutt

James Victor Chesnutt (November 12, 1964 – December 25, 2009) was an American singer-songwriter from Athens, Georgia. His first album, Little, was released in 1990. His commercial breakthrough came in 1996 with the release of Sweet Relief II: Gravity of the Situation, a charity record of alternative artists covering his songs.

Chesnutt released 17 albums during his career, including two produced by Michael Stipe, and a 1996 release on Capitol Records, About to Choke. His musical style has been described by Bryan Carroll of AllMusic as a "skewed, refracted version of Americana that is haunting, funny, poignant, and occasionally mystical, usually all at once".

Injuries from a 1983 car accident left him partially paralyzed; he used a wheelchair and had limited use of his hands.

Early life
An adoptee, Chesnutt was raised in Zebulon, Georgia, where he first started writing songs at the age of five. When he was 13, Chesnutt declared that he was an atheist, a position that he maintained for the rest of his life.

At 18, while drinking and driving, a car accident left him partially paralyzed; in a December 1, 2009, interview with Terry Gross on her NPR show Fresh Air, he said he was "a quadriplegic from [his] neck down", and although he had feeling and some movement in his body, he could not walk "functionally" and that, although he realized shortly afterward that he could still play guitar, he could only play simple chords. After his recovery he left Zebulon and moved to Nashville, Tennessee; the poetry he read there (by Stevie Smith, Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, W. H. Auden, Stephen Crane and Emily Dickinson) served to inspire and influence him.

Early career and films
Around 1985, Chesnutt moved to Athens and joined the band La-Di-Das with future member of the Dashboard Saviors Todd McBride. After leaving that group, he began performing solo on a regular basis at the 40 Watt Club; it was there that he was spotted by Michael Stipe of R.E.M. Stipe went on to produce Chesnutt's first two albums, Little (1990) and West of Rome (1991).

In 1993, Chesnutt was the subject of filmmaker Peter Sillen's independently produced documentary, Speed Racer: Welcome to the World of Vic Chesnutt, which was shown on PBS. Chesnutt also had a small role as "Terence" in the 1996 Billy Bob Thornton movie Sling Blade, which he later described self-mockingly as a poor performance.

In 1996, Chesnutt was exposed to a wider audience with the release of the charity record Sweet Relief II: Gravity of the Situation, the proceeds from which went to the Sweet Relief Fund. The album consisted of Chesnutt covers by famous musicians including R.E.M., Indigo Girls, Madonna with her brother-in-law Joe Henry, Garbage, The Smashing Pumpkins (with Red Red Meat), Cracker, Soul Asylum, and Live.

For the 2007 edition of the Vienna International Film Festival (Viennale), New York filmmaker Jem Cohen was commissioned to close the festival, which he did with his program titled, Evening's Civil Twilight in Empires of Tin. An impressionistic narrative was constructed through live readings from the texts of Joseph Roth and a live musical score performed by Vic Chesnutt, members from Thee Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra, Guy Piciotto (Fugazi), and The Quavers. The music includes improvisations, interpretations of Johann Strauss I's "Radetzky March", and renditions of a number of Vic Chesnutt songs. The result was a string of film vignettes bound by the poetry of Roth's writing and by the sounds and songs of the live musicians. A DVD of the program was released in 2009.

Collaborations
Chesnutt collaborated with Bob Mould to record a version of Gram Parsons' song, "Hickory Wind", which appeared on the 1993 compilation, Conmemorativo: A Tribute to Gram Parsons.

He recorded with many other groups and artists. He made two albums with fellow Athens group Widespread Panic, under the name of brute. Chesnutt wrote "Aunt Avis" and co-wrote "Blight" and "Protein-Drink/Sewing-Machine", which are often performed live by Widespread Panic. "Aunt Avis" appeared on WSP's album Bombs & Butterflies, and Chesnutt made a guest appearance as well. The 1997 video for "Aunt Avis" was directed by Billy Bob Thornton and featured Chesnutt.

After getting to know engineer Scott Stuckey during the recording of West of Rome, Stuckey and Chesnutt became close friends and would go on to collaborate on various projects including producing two more albums together, co-writing "Weed to the Rescue" for the Hempilation album, as well as working on numerous videos including "Ladle" for Capitol Records. At the time of his death, Chesnutt and Stuckey were working on a documentary about Chesnutt's music. The film, tentatively titled "Degenerate", was scheduled to be released in 2012.

Chesnutt's 1998 album The Salesman and Bernadette was recorded with alt-country group Lambchop as the backing band. The album Merriment was a collaborative effort between Chesnutt and Kelly and Nikki Keneipp, with Chesnutt writing and singing the songs, and the Keneipps playing the music.

Chesnutt was featured singing on the title track of Elf Power's 2004 release, Walking with the Beggar Boys.

The 2005 album Ghetto Bells featured famed guitarist Bill Frisell, whom Chesnutt met in 2004 at the Century of Song concert series at the German festival Ruhrtriennale. Ghetto Bells also featured lyricist and composer Van Dyke Parks on accordion and keyboards. Chesnutt's wife, Tina, would frequently play bass on his albums, including Ghetto Bells. His niece, and fellow songwriter, Liz Durrett also appeared on the album.

In the winter of 2006, he recorded North Star Deserter at the Hotel2Tango in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. It was released on September 11, 2007, by Constellation Records. The record included contributions from Constellation artists Thee Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra & Tra-La-La Band, members of Godspeed You! Black Emperor, as well as Fugazi's Guy Picciotto. The album was produced by documentary filmmaker Jem Cohen. In 2008, Athens, Georgia based Elephant 6 collective recording artists Elf Power collaborated with Chesnutt on the album Dark Developments, released as Vic Chesnutt, Elf Power, and the Amorphous Strums. The "amorphous strums" refers to Curtiss Pernice and Sam Mixon, who also played on the album.

In 2009, Chesnutt worked with many of the same contributors to the album North Star Deserter to release the album At the Cut in September. As with North Star Deserter, the album was recorded in Montreal and released on Constellation Records. Later in 2009, Chesnutt recorded the album titled Skitter on Take-off with Jonathan Richman which was inspired by the two albums recorded in Montreal and was released on Vapor.

In 2009, he sang on the track "Grim Augury" from the album Dark Night of the Soul by Danger Mouse of Gnarls Barkley, Sparklehorse, and director David Lynch. Mark Linkous had previously attempted to collaborate with Chesnutt on the Sparklehorse album Good Morning Spider; however, Chesnutt was unable to feature in person on the album. Instead, a recorded voice message he left Linkous apologising for his inability to show was used on the song "Sunshine".

Label history
Chesnutt's first four albums were released on the independent Texas Hotel label. He then recorded About to Choke (1996) for Capitol Records. The Salesman and Bernadette (1998) was on PolyGram; Merriment (2000) was on the Backburner Records label; spinART was the label for the self-performed and recorded Left to His Own Devices (2001). Chesnutt then found a home at the New West Records label, which released two of his albums. In 2004, New West also re-released the early Texas Hotel recordings, including expanded liner notes and extra tracks. In 2010 About to Choke was re-released on 180 gram vinyl on the Four Men with Beards label and distributed by City Hall Records.

Other work
Chesnutt provided a powerful performance of the 1972 Bobby Russell-penned classic song, "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia" on Pravda Records' 1994 "Star Power" CD featuring various artists.

Chesnutt sang another, much older, classic song, "Home on the Range", based on the poem, "The Western Home", written in 1872 by Dr. Brewster M. Higley, on another CD featuring various artists entitled, "Rudy's Rockin' Kiddie Caravan", produced by Turner Network Television. Proceeds from the sale of the CD went to support the National Center for Family Literacy.

Chesnutt was also a supporter of medical marijuana, which he said helped with his medical problems. He contributed the track, "Weed to the Rescue", to the 1998 Hempilation II charity album, with proceeds going to NORML, an American organization dedicated to marijuana legalization.

Chesnutt wrote and provided vocals on the song, "Aunt Avis" on Widespread Panic's 1997 album, Bombs & Butterflies (a solo demo of Chesnutt performing the song was included as a bonus track on the 2004 re-release of his 1993 album, Drunk).

Chesnutt frequently performed Daniel Johnston's song, "Like a Monkey in a Zoo", during live performances. Chesnutt recorded a version of the song that was released on the 2004 compilation CD, The Late Great Daniel Johnston: Discovered Covered.

He also appeared as a guest musician on Cowboy Junkies' 2007 album and accompanying DVD Trinity Revisited, a 20th anniversary remake of the Junkies' classic album The Trinity Session. In 2011 Cowboy Junkies released Demons, an album of eleven Chesnutt covers.

Chesnutt recorded a solo acoustic version of the song, "Little Man", for the CD Ciao My Shining Star: The Songs of Mark Mulcahy, which was released under the Shout! Factory label in 2009.

Death
Chesnutt died on Christmas Day 2009 from an overdose of muscle relaxants that had left him in a coma in an Athens hospital. He was 45 years old. In his final interview, which aired on National Public Radio 24 days before his death, Chesnutt said that he had "attempted suicide three or four times [before]. It didn't take."

According to him in the same interview, being "uninsurable" due to his quadriplegia, he was $50,000 in debt for his medical bills, and had been putting off a surgery for a year ("And, I mean, I could die only because I cannot afford to go in there again. I don't want to die, especially just because of I don't have enough money to go in the hospital.").

Impact
The Canadian alt-country band Cowboy Junkies recorded an album called Demons after his death, released on January 18, 2011. A tribute to Chesnutt, it features his songs. Conor Oberst of Bright Eyes described Chestnutt as "one of the greatest ever," and released a cover of Chestnutt's song "Flirted with You All My Life" in 2021.

Kristin Hersh wrote a book titled Don't Suck, Don't Die: Giving Up Vic Chesnutt, which was published by University of Texas Press and released on October 1, 2015.

Discography

 * 1990 Little
 * 1991 West of Rome
 * 1993 Drunk
 * 1995 Is the Actor Happy? (with liner notes by Forrest Gander)
 * 1996 About to Choke
 * 1998 The Salesman and Bernadette
 * 2000 Merriment
 * 2001 Left to His Own Devices
 * 2003 Silver Lake
 * 2005 Ghetto Bells
 * 2005 Extra Credit EP
 * 2007 North Star Deserter
 * 2008 Dark Developments (with Elf Power and The Amorphous Strums)
 * 2009 ''Mitte Ende August OST
 * 2009 At the Cut
 * 2009 Skitter on Take-Off

With brute.
 * 1995 Nine High a Pallet
 * 2002 Co-Balt

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Talk:Invincible (character)

Trivia issues

 * "In issue one, Art the tailor tells Mark that he initially worked on a suit for Nolan under the impression that his power (and Mark's by extension) was solar based. Nolan tells him "it's a common mistake". This is a reference to Superman, whose power comes from the yellow sun of our solar system and who Omni-Man and Invincible share many characteristics with."

I'm pretty damn sure this is wrong. to begin with, it's original research to make such an inference. Secondly 'Invincible Ultimate Collection Vol. 1' shows early invincible concept images that appear very much like the solar suit, and comments claim that originally a solar energy absorption explanation was going to be used for Mark's powers, but instead, they decided to not explain his powers because 'where's the fun in that'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.219.254 (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

This is correct, this is taken directly from the comics, I believe the 2nd issue. Marks powers are NOT based on solar radiation, his strength is naturally occurring among his race. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.2.218 (talk) 21:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, the point that it's original research is correct, and thus this piece of trivia ought to be removed. However, I think it is pretty clearly a Superman joke, and I find it funny that people haven't realised this. Anyway, that doesn't matter -- it should be removed on OR grounds. 203.45.146.36 (talk) 06:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

resources
Mile high comics has scans of covers, 1st three pages, and sometimes commentary.

 * bibliography at milehigh
 * covers and some excerpts at mile high

comments
Contrary to the assertion in the 'trivia section, the sitcom 'Perfect Strangers' is not about teenagers and their problems.

cleaning up
Just a suggestion, but this entry seems to need to decide whether it's about the comic book Invincible or about the character Invincible. Granted they're related but the jumping back and forth between them makes for a sloppy read. Psyphics 16:18, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd lean towards the character myself, in the same way that Superman is used. After all, it is quite possible that this character may appear in another comic at some point. I don't really know much more about the subject to say more, however. Turnstep 17:13, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There are two wikis for Superman: Superman for the character and Superman (comic book) for the series. Dyslexic agnostic 20:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the page, reads alot shorter now. I think it's better, but that's me. Do we *really* need to know about Invincible going to Africe and doing not much? I don't think so.71.198.215.206 (talk) 23:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Cut the Synopsis by at least 90%
Complete blow-by-blow retelling of a series belongs on Wikia fan-site, not WP. Someone who knows this series, please look at a few good articles in Portal:Comics and try to match a more concise & appropriate style. - Frankie1969 (talk) 19:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

For reference, Preacher has a 1-paragraph plot summary of the whole series, and then a blow-by-blow on a linked 'List of Preacher story arcs' page. Preacher_(comics) vs List_of_Preacher_story_arcs Saintly (talk) 18:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Required Reading?
It says that Mark's first appearance isn't in Invincible. Is this first appearance required reading to understand Invincible?

 * Mark's 1st appearance is not required reading to understand Invincible.Scarlettspiderg 17:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Rus Livingston
We don't ACTUALLY know if he's going to be a villain or not--should we consider changing which section he's in?

I think it is a bit ambiguous on whether he should even be considered a villain at all, seeing as he was being mind-controlled by the Sequids. However, it probably be best to list him as a villain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnJnozz512 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Vol. 8
There's a volume 8, my favorite martian, out. Someone needs to add a section.

Trade paperbacks
If there are no objections I'm going to remove the plot details from the trade paperback section. This section has become overly long and plot details really belong in the synopsis section.

Iron Ghost 12:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Powers and Abilites
Any objections to adding a powers and abilities section to this page - like most of the other superhero pages?

 * It's already covered in the superhero box. Iron Ghost 18:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I probably won't push it any further than this, but most of the other superheroes have a brief list in the SHB, and a powers and abilities sections (a paragraph or two) that's a bit more descriptive...

 * Well, a lot of heroes have complicated histories atached to thier powers (lost their powers, then got them back, then got new powers, etc). Invincible's powers a pretty straight forward and don't really need any further explaination. Iron Ghost 18:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In keeping with formatting of other pages, it should probably be explained and added, as well as mentioning examples of the extents of the powers. He has Superhuman Speed. Does he run the speed of a cheetah? Does he run the speed of a bullet train? Can he move faster than light? Moreover, this page should probably be split, as right now, it's discussing both the character AND the actual comic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.241.114 (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's probably worth noting that Invincible's power will increase as he gets older. In early issues Omni-Man has stated that the more Viltrumites use their powers, the stronger they get (analogous to exercise, I guess).  19:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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Gold and Silver Age?
In Invincible not only does the Superman pastiche murder the Justice League pastiche, but a fistfight between father and son causes thousands of bystander deaths. It's solidly Iron Age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidJohns (talk • contribs) 00:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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Other Collections
Is it just me, or is the Other Collections section hard to read? So many bullet points, things like ''Which book would you rather have? The book that has one face shot? Or, one of the 3 books that have a 5 or 6 pages from Invincible #1?'' are way too informal for an encyclopedia, and the links aren't with the proper sections. If nobody else cleans this up, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.

First appearance
In the Lead section, the second sentence states, "the character first appeared in Tech Jacket #1."

In the Continuity section, however, it says, "Invincible, along with Firebreather and other new Image superhero characters, debuted in an issue of The Savage Dragon.."

Which is it? Can someone fix this? Nightscream (talk) 23:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It is TechJacket #1. The author of the other part probably meant that the Savage Dragon appearance was Invincibles debut in the main Image continuity. IchiGhost (talk) 12:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Where does Invincible appear in TechJacket #1? I already read it multiple times and there's no Invincible in it at all. Sadly there's no Online Comic of it available on the Image Page, so you can't show it, but you could probably name the page number for me to check again. MasterPhW (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Invincible appeared as a preview in Tech Jacket #1. It can be seen in the last few pages of Tech Jacket #1. There are many Invincible previews but Tech Jacket #1 was the first to preview Invincible.

Tech Jacket #1 was released the first week of November in 2002. Savage Dragon #102 was released the same week as Noble Causes #3. So Tech Jacket #1 came out before Noble Causes #3 and Savage Dragon #102.

Here are the actual dates of the previews in question with the diamond link:

Tech-Jacket #1 came out 11/20/02 http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/archive/2002/112002.txt

FSNC #3 and Savage Dragon #102 came out 12/04/02 http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/archive/2002/120402.txt

MoTU #1 came out 12/11/02 http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/archive/2002/121102.txt

So if you count previews as 1st appearances TJ #1 would be the 1st app. It beats SD #102 by 1 week, and MoTU #1 by 2 weeks.

FSNC #3 is definitely just a cameo, since he's only in 1 small panel which is a headshot. He has another headshot on one of the 2 covers. Plus, he appears in the wrong colors for his costume, as it was changed before Invincible #1 came out.

1st FULL appearance (not counting Previews) is Invincible #1.

INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT KIRKMAN Also, here is the part of the interview with Robert Kirkman (creator of Invincible) about this topic. Direct link below as well.

WIZARD: You know, technically, Invincible first appeared in Noble Causes: Family Secrets #3.

KIRKMAN: Technically, I guess.

WIZARD: How does that work? What's the secret origin of Invincible?

KIRKMAN: Well, the book was very much in production long before that issue of Noble Causes was done. I think the first issue was completely done. Just as a fun thing, Jay had a story going on in Noble Causes about Rusty Noble trying to find out who was the father of his sister's baby. It was just a little one panel gag where Rusty went out and was asking everyone in the Image universe if they got Zephyr pregnant. It's really just a one panel gag of Invincible saying, "Nope. Wasn't me." It technically shipped before the first issue. I will say that first five pages of Invincible #1 was printed in the back of Tech-Jacket #1, which shipped before Noble Causes. So if you want to count that…

WIZARD: Then that should be the first his first appearance. I mean, the Ninja Turtles first appeared on the back cover of a comic in an ad, and now that issue is worth a grand.

KIRKMAN: Wow. I didn't know that. Then, yeah! Tech-Jacket #1!

Original interview link (not working anymore): http://www.wizarduniverse.com/060308imagespotlight.html

Source: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3395997&fpart=2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markefrody (talk • contribs) 10:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Character Bio/Synopsis section too long?
I don't read Invincible, but the character bio/synopsis section looks *extremely* bloated, although it's trying to pack in every event in the comics rather than just important events. I'd suggest this is cut down dramatically, as it's simply extremely hard to read as is. If nothing else, perhaps split it into subsections based on different plot arcs etc. Further, If this article is going to be about both the character and the comic, then I'd suggest breaking the Character Bio and Synopsis sections apart, as this will make the article easier to read, and make it easier to handle if the article is eventually split into separate character/comic articles. Aawood (talk) 07:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Summary and character biography too long
I am not too familiar with the Invincible series, but I felt that the summary is too descriptive and contains too many unnecessary details and information. Although it probably took quite a bit of effort to write down the entire plot in details, it is difficult for the reader to understand a general plot summary. Also, remove any sub plots and background stories of any minor characters along with any excess details of the story.

As for the character biography, I felt that it was too long and covered more on minor characters that do not really contribute much to the main plot. I would suggest that some of the characters, specifically minor ones, be removed from the character biography section of the article. Also, it would perhaps be beneficial to create a new article on the synopsis of all the characters involved in the story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnJnozz512 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Ambiguous Article Image?
As someone unfamiliar with the subject, my first thought when looking at this page was, which character in the image is "Invincible"? It took a little bit of reading to form a guess as to which it was, and even then it was just a guess until I scrolled down to the other image at the bottom of the page.

As this page seems to be centered on the character and not the comic itself, it seems like the image should more clearly represent the character. One Alternate (talk) 14:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The references
Invincible is a comic that is bursting with pop-culture references and with 4th wall breaks. So I was thinking of listing them and publishing them here. However, since I would be taking them straight from the comics, would my list stay online or be removed for being OR? Or would I need to source all the references to online sources? Robin.lemstra (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It'd be OR and it'd be trivia. Make a fan site. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 21:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Lead Article Image
I suggest the lead article image be changed to one that shows the original black/blue/yellow costume that the character wore for the majority of the series. It's much more representative of the character's publication history and appearances in other media such as the stop motion series and the new Amazon TV series. I suggest a fair use version of this image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alparrott (talk • contribs) 22:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 12 May 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

– Per WP:NCCDAB, "articles primarily about characters appearing in a comic should use the phrase (character). Articles primarily about a publication should use the phrase (comics)." This also helps to clarify the distinction between these two articles, one on a superhero called "Invincible", and his featured comic. Natg 19 (talk) 23:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Invincible (comics) → Invincible (character)
 * Invincible (comic series) → Invincible (comics)
 * Note: to fix this malformed move request (the current title was a redirect, and redirects cannot be current titles in move requests), the premature page move has been reverted at least until this request has been closed.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 21:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment Is this a controversial move? The policy is pretty clear.  I will note, however, that there are a lot of articles out there with a (comics) tag that should actually be (character). 162 etc. (talk) 02:51, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I did this as a RM because there are 2 articles that would have to be moved, and want to be clear about this. Also, as I do not have move rights, this needs to be done by someone with move rights. Natg 19 (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge back together and purge a lot... I don't want to turn this into AfD, but the way this split was performed, what suggests that Invincible (character) meets standalone notability per WP:GNG? (Keeping in mind that if you split them, both pages must be notable, and notability of one, does not confer notability to the other.)  The entire thing is now referenced to the comic itself, and any secondary sourcing that was left behind is about derivative works more than the character.  I appreciate the BOLD split by a relatively new editor in, but this is inviting a deletionist to nominate the page for deletion without a reception section discussing people's analysis of the character himself (not the book).  I've never thought making the layman reader try to decide if they are looking for the character/team or the publication is very user-friendly, either, and is likely to lead to a lot of duplicated info. Both pages are too long, though, and could use some serious trimming. -2pou (talk) 17:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I see that you moved the "comics" article to "character", however, this still does not solve the 2nd move of "comic series" to "comics". To maintain page history, we would still need to complete this move request, and have someone with pagemover to move "comic series" to "comics". As to 2pou's question about notability, this may be a separate discussion out of the scope of this RM. Additionally, as a note, it is considered bad form to perform moves until this requested move has gone through a 7-day period of discussion, unless there is an early consensus. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. 24.107.227.12 07:20, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
Just a short note to thank you for your work on the AiG and Ken Ham pages. I think you are doing a marvellous job in ensuring that the Creationist POV does not dominate the article, by your rational, critical and useful contributions. Bravo! Maustrauser 03:30, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Vic Chesnutt
''If you had looked at the discussion page you would have seen that Chesnutt is a quadriplegic, not paraplegic. Thanks, Christianjb 00:43, 28 November 2005 (UTC)''
 * And if you had followed the edit history correctly, you would have seen that edit was made by 69.224.7.168 and not me. Thanks, -- JLaTondre 00:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Please accept my apologies! Sorry for the annoyance. Christianjb 00:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I see what I did- I clicked the last comparison link and then clicked on the username associated with previous, not next edit. Sorry again. Christianjb 00:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. As I re-read what I wrote, it comes off a bit harsh which wasn't my intent... -- JLaTondre 01:08, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Red String
(Correspondence reproduced from User_talk:IZAK) Sigh- so it's come to this. Your comments in the discussion have sank to you claiming support of creationist beliefs over evolution science. Firstly this has nothing to do with the article- so there's no point putting it on the discussion page there.

If you want to argue with the science- then bring it on. I'll wait for you and everyone else to bring forth mountains of papers published in peer-reviewed mainstream scientific journals that support your claims. (I've been waiting for a long time now.) If however you want to attack my opinions in the same spirit that you think I've attacked yours... I haven't attacked your beliefs. I haven't denigrated your beliefs. I've repeatedly said that people's beliefs are their own right. It's only when they make pronouncements about the physical testable factual world that I will step in and ask them for proof. Please stop lecturing me about what you think of my beliefs (which you don't know). Oh- and don't insinuate that your religion is being victimized here because people are too scared of Islam. Yeah- right- Islamists are going to look up my IP address and hunt me down. Maybe you'd like to guess my religion? Maybe I'm Islamic, in which case your comments are in incredibly bad taste. Maybe I'm a 'heathen' as you put it- in which case I presumably have no right to edit religious Wikipedia pages.

The most ridiculous thing is that we actually helped put together a reasonably unbiased page. There's really little need for insulting me- telling me that I've 'trivialized' concepts etc.

I think you need to take a chill pill. I'm going to leave by thanking you for the work on the article and on Wikipedia in general.Christianjb 12:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

AIG
Hi, I've ben following your edits in this article for a while. Nice job at writing a balanced article. David D. (Talk) 07:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll keep my eyes open and put the other page on my watchlist too. David D. (Talk) 17:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding the AiG attack, I'll keep my eyes out too. Maustrauser 21:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Jonathan Sarfati
I didn't: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jonathan_Sarfati&diff=30177337&oldid=30131794

User:156.110.211.130 did: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jonathan_Sarfati&diff=30192958&oldid=30177337

Keep up the good fight. Josh Parris #: 05:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I figure you might need some sleep. Josh Parris #: 23:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Sarfati
(moved from my talk page) agapetos_angel 02:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but this is opinion- and one I'm perfectly happy for you to accomodate in the page. Many would feel that being explicitly compared to Nazi's is deeply offensive- especially groups that were singled out during the Holocaust. For instance- Feminazi is dumb and insulting, but Jewnazi would be far more offensive given their history of persecution. There is room for both points of view in the article. Christianjb 02:46, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I disagree, as a Pole with relatives who were actually persecuted. Besides, that WAS my point. That insult is merely your opinion, as represents POV. agapetos_angel 02:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * At the moment there is no point of view in the article. There are just the exact quotes and a historical mention of the persecution of gays in the Holocaust.  It's then written that "defenders would reject that the quotes are a reference to these events".  All fairly NPOV in my opinion.  Do you honestly doubt that homosexuals would (in general) find the neologisms homonazi and sodomofascist insulting?  Also do you honestly doubt that part of the reason they might find it insulting is due to the history of persecution?

 * You said that you're a Pole whose relatives where actually persecuted. Well, homosexuals were actually persecuted as well. I'm not going to get into a debate about the relative degree of persecution- people of both communities were killed (for respectively ethic and gender reasons) and that seems all that's relevent Christianjb 10:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Update- I have sent the following email to glbtjews.org

Dear Sir/Madam,

I've got some tough questions regarding an encyclopedia article I am helping to edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis

This article in part covers a page by creationist organization "Answers in Genesis" in which the neologisms "homonazi" and "sodomofascist" are used. (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2005/0218.asp)

These are the questions (and I'm sorry for putting them so bluntly).

Would the neologisms "homonazi" and "sodomofascist" be offensive to most homosexuals? Would they be considered particularly offensive because of the documented persecution in the Holocaust?

Could it be considered offensive for an encyclopedia article to point out the connection between these neologisms and the possible connection with the Holocaust? For instance, would the Jewish community in general feel that it diminishes their suffering for each group to claim they were persecuted- when it was one particular group, the Jews that suffered the worst destruction?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I personally consider the neologisms to be offensive, but as this has been the subject of some dispute with other editors I would like your input.

I want to be accountable for this email, so my full address is: (removed) Christianjb 10:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * (I was criticized by Agapetos angel for putting some of the above information on his/her talk page, which s/he immediately deleted. Agapetos insinuated I was hiding information by not placing it on the Answers in Genesis talk page for all to see.  Anyone has my permission to post any of the contents of this talk page over there- I'm not hiding anything.  It appears that Agapets has closed her/his account, so this particular discussion probably won't continue.)  Christianjb 20:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * What are you up about? Please stop cluttering my talk page with drivel that attempts to push your agendas! It will be removed  agapetos_angel 01:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't respond to personal attacks. Please read No personal attacks.  Thanks Christianjb 09:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Homosexuals and the holocaust
Hello. I was wondering why you added a section on the holocaust page to talk about the group 'Answers in Genesis'. I can't see that this is directly related to the issue of the German concentration camps so am puzzled, other than it uses the terms fascism and nazi. I think it can only serve to detract from those that died in the camps. 61.88.7.202 03:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, can you please sign in and I'll respond. Thanks. Christianjb 03:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not above user, but I'd like to hear that response. It seems that you are merely spreading POV agapetos_angel 02:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Remove it if you want, but state your reason on the talk page. Thanks  Christianjb 03:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

AiG (2)
Stay with it. Your patience is an inspiration - just make sure you get some sleep! Mloclam901 22:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Stick at it
I'll try and chime in where possible. I think the best thing is do exactly as you are doing. Incorporate their edits where acceptable and revert where their POV is obvious. As well as bide our time. It looks like AIG has their insiders working here, they seem very knowledgable of the arguments. But, at the end of the day, they cannot deny the actual quotes from the AiG site, even if they are uncomfortable with the content. Actually I wonder if that content will disappear from their web site as they play with their smoke and mirrors. Basically it's politics as usual, so much for the science. David D. (Talk) 04:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. No problem with regard to misinterpretation.  i think those rants are a bit garbled so I'm not surprised that my points do not come across so well.  If nothing else its a good way to help me formulate my stance on these issues. David D. (Talk) 10:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK I'm done editing in that section. Feel free to go in and adjust as necessary.  I'm a bit brain dead from reading all the AiG literature.  Where do you start a critique when there are so many strawmen being contructed by AiG? David D. (Talk) 06:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Vicchesnutt.jpg
Hi, I have a question about the image you uploaded Image:Vicchesnutt.jpg. I used it in the article on the music of Athens, Georgia, and there is a concern at Featured article candidates/Music of Athens, Georgia about that image's copyright status. You tagged it as public domain but indicated it was licensed for non-commercial use only. If the copyright holder licensed it only for non-commercial use, it needs to be deleted because it is not free. Thanks, Tuf-Kat 07:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If you got permission to use it on Wikipedia, then does not necessarily make it free, because other people need to be able to use it too. What did the record company say?  Did you contact them? Did you ask if you could use an image on Wikipedia, and they agreed?  If so, you need to find out if they'll release it under a free license, or it will need to be deleted. Tuf-Kat 07:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Answer to your advocacy request
First, sorry for the delay! You should know we're in a restructuring process in the AMA and anything is a bit chaotic there.

I'm interested in the case, but I'd like to know more and also some diffs could be very useful for me. I tried to read the talk page, but aything seems as disordered as in the AMA!

Reply me on my talk page. I'll try to respond you by Tuesday. --Neigel von Teighen 20:09, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Answers in Genesis
Hi, I couldn't answer before because I got my motherboard burned. Excuse me, please!

This case is very similar to one I had in Jehova's Witness, so I take the case. I will put the article in my watchlist and begin to work.

Some diffs could be useful to me. Send them to me by email (imaglang@@yahoo.com, with one @), but there's no hurry of course. Yours! --Neigel von Teighen 18:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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Vic Chesnutt
Just a heads up, I'd like to try to get Vic's article up to GA or FA status and I assume you would like to help. Katr67 (talk) 22:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

red string
In the Old Testament, t he midwife tied a RED STRING around the ankle of the baby who was about to be born prematurely, and crammed him back into the uterus. Over the years, this has been misrepresented to designate which twin was the oldest, but evidently the red string thing existed way beck then--else, why a RED string, and not just any color string? --Mata Hari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.207.222.130 (talk) 19:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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Just because the IRS changes their definition of what a taxable household is, doesn't mean the rest of the world follows. To state and restate that a household is not a synonym of family is false.

From Webster's 1913 dictionary: http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=Household

Household (Page: 709)

House"hold` (?), n.

1. Those who dwell under the same roof and compose a family.

--Connel MacKenzie 07:23, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the "rest of the world" follows Webster's 1913 dictionary. Why don't we keep it simple and follow Wiktionary's definition and say that a household may or may not be a family? Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 06:15, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)

Expansion request
I would be interested in seeing a discussion of household size, and the demographics of how it has changed over time in various places. -- Beland 07:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Social and other dimensions to household
Obviously we have some work to do on this article.

Among many other things I think we need to flesh out the meaning of 'household' in social theory, and specify how 'household' relates to 'home', 'residence', 'abode', 'dwelling', 'family'.

SeventhHell (talk) 06:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

hear hear! The opening line is indeed quite bleak and does not set the scene very well. The 2003 reference from an, I assume, generic textbook does not even reflect standard accepted definitions of household from the 1970s! (I'm thinking here of Jack Goody, who says that households may eat, sleep and work together, but not necessarily do all these things together at the same time or in the same place!). Furthermore research into diasporas and the notion of a global household has really changed ideas about what households are in social theory.

It is six years almost since seventh's post, so isn't it about time we updated this? 79.64.147.204 (talk) 10:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Query existence of Household Help!
Has anyone heard of this so-called parody program Household Help!? (the very last section of the article). The article link for it showed as 'does not exist' so I removed it, I googled around and could find no such progam. Can anyone attest to the existence of such a program? I don't know what we do about that, I guess I will insert a tag and see what happens. SeventhHell (talk) 12:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Nuclear family not the most common structure anymore
Per the sources in Nuclear family, nuclear family amounts to 24.1% of US households in 2000. So the statement "...especially in western societies where the nuclear family has become the most common family structure" is not true. At least not any longer and not in the United States. Actually the "Married without children" and "Single" categories are both higher than the "Nuclear" family category for the US, and together they appear to be slightly more, than twice the percentage of the "Nuclear" category. This change may, or may not, be true for other Western countries, but it needs to be clarified, or removed as misleading. I'm tagging that statement with for the time being. — Becksguy (talk) 21:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * PS - Changed to tag — Becksguy (talk) 22:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've looked up the edit history and asked Feco to check it out.SeventhHell (talk) 06:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * i don't think "single" count as family. nor do i think childless couples doesn't count as 'Nuclear family'. Nuclear family is a term used in comparison with larger Extended family, and non of those are extended, they are still smaller. it might be reword to better fit the context, i don't think the way it discuss Nuclear family has much input on how it differ from household. 218.186.12.245 (talk) 20:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Economics
"Most economic theories assume there is only one income stream to a household[citation needed]; this a useful simplification for modeling, but does not necessarily reflect reality. Many households now include multiple income-earning members".
 * The whole article has a banner, but this particular claim stuck out so much that I thought it deserved one of its own.  "Does not necessarily reflect reality" and "Many now include" are being generous - my understanding is that the "husband works, wife stays at home" division of labour is a historical anomaly (outside the upper and upper-middle classes).  "Everyone works, including the children" seems to have been the commonest arrangement though most of history, quite apart from the modern tendancy for both partners to work.  Do "most economic theories" really ignore that? Iapetus (talk) 15:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure we can definitively say what arrangement has been the most common throughout history, but I'd agree that it's phrased in an assumptive way. In fact the section is minimal, it's just a stub. I think it deserves a treatment of the full economic sense of the term. Not to mention most of the article needs serious clean up.— ʀoyoтϵ 00:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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Baturyn

Baturyn (Батурин, ) is a historic city in Chernihiv Oblast (province) of northern Ukraine. It is located in Nizhyn Raion (district) on the banks of the Seym River. It hosts the administration of Baturyn urban hromada, one of the hromadas of Ukraine. Population:

History
Traces of a settlement dating back to the 9th-10th centuries and a fortified hilltop stronghold dating back to the 11th-13th centuries have been found at the Baturyn site. This fortified settlement was destroyed as a result of the Mongol invasion of 1239. Chernihiv region was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania in the 14th century, but was lost to Muscovy as a result of the 1500-1503 war. It returned to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1618. The land on which Baturyn was built was granted to Aleksander Piaseczyński. With royal permission, the town and fortress of Baturyn were founded by Matwiej Stachurski in 1625, who was in Piaseczyński's service. The fortress was captured and burned by Russian troops during the Smolensk War in 1633.

Control of the town was wrested away from the Commonwealth by Cossack forces during the Khmelnytsky Uprising of 1648–1657, when they captured the fortress and slaughtered the Polish nobles. In 1648 Baturyn was transformed into a Cossack regional center (sotnia), first hosting the Starodub Cossack Regiment and then the Nizhyn Regiment. After the signing of the Pereiaslav Agreement, the residents of Baturyn swore an oath of allegiance to the tsar on February 7, 1654, after which the city was handed over to the acting Hetman, Ivan Zolotarenko. However, the city burned to the ground later that same year. In July 1655 Zlotarenko asked the tsar to give him two other towns, Borzna and Hlukhiv, in exchange for burned Baturyn.

The city rebuilt itself over time. In 1663, in Baturyn, Hetman Ivan Briukhovetsky signed a settlement with Russia that increased dependence on Russia. In 1668, the Baturyn Cossacks supported the anti-Moscow Briukhovetsky uprising. However, unlike other cities, Baturyn was not burned down after the uprising was suppressed. For this reason, the Cossack elders with the new Hetman Demian Mnohohrishny chose Baturyn as the new center of power, moving it from Hadiach. From 1670, troops of Muscovite Streltsy were stationed here. The capital of the Cossack Hetmanate (an autonomous Cossack republic in Left-bank Ukraine) was located in Baturyn from 1669 to 1708 and from 1750 to 1764.The area prospered under the rule of Hetman Ivan Mazepa (1687–1708), increasing in size and population (with upwards of 20,000 residents). Baturyn boasted 40 churches and chapels, and two monasteries. Two of the most important institutions of the Hetmanate were located in Baturyn: The General Military Chancellery and the General Military Court. Next to the General Chancellery was the Chancellery Kurin, which prepared for administrative and judicial service. Mazepa also built a fortified palace in Honcharivka near Baturyn as his headquarters.

In 1708 the Zaporozhian Cossacks became involved in the Great Northern War. Hetman Mazepa, after realizing that the Russians planned to remove him from power, switched his allegiance to Sweden (then at war with the Russian Empire) and began to place more emphasis on Ukraine's independence. On 13 November 1708 a Russian army under the command of Alexander Menshikov sacked and razed Baturyn and slaughtered all of its inhabitants in a punitive response. The Russians broke Dmytro Chechel, the commanding officer of the Baturyn garrison, on the wheel. Historian Serhiy Pavlenko estimates that Menshikov's army murdered 6 to 7.5 thousand civilians and 5 to 6.5 thousand military personnel. In 1708 the city had had a population of 20,000; by 1726 it had become a ghost town. The capital of Hetmanate was moved to Hlukhiv.

The town was rebuilt in the 1750s, and served as the capital for Hetman Count Kirill Razumovsky (in office 1750 to 1764). Andrey Kvasov designed Razumovsky's palace in the Baroque style (later Charles Cameron rebuilt it in the Neoclassical style in 1799–1803). The home of the famous Cossack Vasyl Kochubey (c. 1640–1708), constructed some 50 years earlier, is surrounded today by a park in his name (although hostilities devastated this building during World War II, it was restored during Soviet times).

Following the death of Hetman Razumovsky (1803) the town lost most of its political stature. In 1756 a textile plant was founded with 12 weaving machines. It quickly grew to include 76 machines. When Russian empress Catherine II (reigned 1762 to 1796) abolished the Ukrainian Cossack state and incorporated its territories into the Russian Empire, Baturyn continued manufacturing textiles, feeding a growing demand for carpets. In 1843 Taras Shevchenko stayed in the town, using his time to paint many of the architectural sights. In 1860, Baturyn had a population of 3,563, which by 1880 grew to 6,580. Three annual fairs were held in Baturyn in the late 19th century.

Baturyn lost its city status in 1923 and received it back only in 2008.

During World War II, the German occupiers operated a Jewish forced labour battalion in Baturyn.

In June 1993 the Ukrainian government declared Baturyn the center of a national site of Ukrainian history and culture. In August 2002, at the prodding of President Viktor Yushchenko, a government program was approved to restore Baturyn to its former glory.

On 22 January 2009 Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko officially opened the "Hetmans' Capital" monumental complex (including the newly renovated Razumovsky Palace).

Until 18 July 2020, Baturyn belonged to Bakhmach Raion. The raion was abolished in July 2020 as part of the administrative reform of Ukraine, which reduced the number of raions of Chernihiv Oblast to five. The area of Bakhmach Raion was merged into Nizhyn Raion.

Kyrylo Rozumovskyi Palace
The Hetman palace of Kyrylo Rozumovskyi is the main adornment and the central feature of Baturyn (Chernihiv region, Ukraine). K. Rozumovskyi decided to transfer the capital of the Hetmanate (Ukrainian Cossack State) from Hlukhiv to Baturyn town soon after being elected the hetman of Ukraine. Baturyn was re-established as capital and Rozumovskyi rebuilt the town and ushered in a brief renaissance. He established the manufacturing of carpets, broadcloth, silk, candles, bricks, and cocklestove tiles, and a stud-farm, a parish school, and a hospital. Hetman also planned to set up a university there.

His intention to gain more autonomy for Ukraine triggered imperial wrath. He was removed from his post of Ukraine's hetman in 1764. Only in 1794 he returned to Baturyn and decided to establish a grandiose palace and a park ensemble. For that purpose he invited the Scottish architect Charles Cameron, whose architectural designs were much appreciated by the Russian Empress Catherine II.

Cameron was the chief architect of palaces in Tsarskoye Selo, Pavlovsk and others. The only creation of Charles Cameron in Ukraine is this Palace and park ensemble of K. Rozumovskyi in Baturyn.

During 1799–1803 the construction of this historical complex was performed in accordance with his design: the 3-storeyed Palace, constructed in the classicism style and 2 outbuildings, located on both sides of it, as well as a great park around them.

In 1803 after the death of K. Rozumovskyi everything was changed. The decoration works were stopped, and the palace was abandoned. The fire of 1824 ruined practically all its interior decorations.

The issue of the palace restoration was raised in 1908 at the XIV All-Russian Archaeological Convention.

Since 1911 the palace was under the guardianship of the "Society for Preservation and Protection of the Architectural and Ancient Monuments in Russia". The great grandson of K. Rozumovskyi, Kamil Lvovych Rozumovskyi, visited Baturyn in 1909. He donated money for the palace restoration with the desire to settle a Folk Art Museum there. An architect from Petersburg Oleksandr Bilogrud worked out the design of restoration, and guided the restoration works till 1913.

Further tragic events, WWI and the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 put the restoration aside for a long period of time. The building suffered a lot in the fire of 1923. The outbuildings were completely ruined at the beginning of the 20th century. During World War II the facade walls and the decoration elements of the palace were seriously damaged. The second half of the 20th century has seen several restoration attempts, which preserved the state of the palace, though none of them were completed.

In 2002, under the initiative of V. Yushchenko, then the Prime-Minister of Ukraine, "The Comprehensive Programme On "Hetman's Capital" Monuments' Preservation" was developed. The realization of this Programme started in 2003. The volume of works increased considerably in 2005 – after Ukrainian philanthropists donated money for restoration, and the works for the palace and outbuildings' restoration were conducted in 2005–2006.

In 2007–2008 the State Budget spent significant sums on it as well. A large amount of work was performed in 2008 and for the first time in its history the Palace obtained its original state. The palace was opened on August 22, 2009. The descendant Gregor Rozumovskyi was invited with his family on the ceremony of the grand opening and he presented the priceless heirloom – a broadsword of Hetman Kyrylo Rozumovskyi. The imposing Hetman palace in all its beauty can compete with the most distinguished palaces of the world. The restorers of the palace managed to recreate the authentic greatness of the palace, saving the concept for one from the best architects of that time, Charles Cameron. The restorers recreated the modelling and decoration of the walls, filled the interiors with paintings of Ukrainian hetmans, exclusive chandeliers, floors of palace and artistic parquet.

Dancing halls were reconstructed true to their former greatness and grandiosity in the atmosphere of the 19th century. The classical music, performed on the old grand piano, conducts the excursions. Nowadays the palace of Kyrylo Rozumovskyi is the excellent and remarkable place for different concerts, theatrical performance and weddings.

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