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Liga 1

Liga 1 may refer to:

 * Liga 1 (Indonesia), the men's top professional division of the Indonesian football league system
 * Liga 1 U-19, a junior level league of Liga 1
 * Liga 1 (Peru), the Peruvian First Division
 * Liga I, the Romanian First League

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Talk:Walter Giffard

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Kenilwortk seems like an odd spelling, surely Kenilworth? Tabletop 07:00, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Holt, Norfolk
In the Holt, Norfolk article it is noted that Gifford became the first Lord of the Manor. Ref is Brooks, Peter, Holt, Georgian Market Town, (Cromer: Poppyland Publishing, second edition 2001, ISBN 0-946148-53-8 Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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Copper-rumped hummingbird

The copper-rumped hummingbird (Saucerottia tobaci) is a species of hummingbird in the "emeralds", tribe Trochilini of subfamily Trochilinae. It is found in Tobago, Trinidad, Venezuela, and possibly Grenada.

Taxonomy and systematics
The copper-rumped hummingbird was formally described in 1788 by the German naturalist Johann Friedrich Gmelin in his revised and expanded edition of Carl Linnaeus's Systema Naturae. He placed it with all the other hummingbirds in the genus Trochilus and coined the binomial name Trochilus tobaci. Gmelin based his description on the "Tobago Humming-Bird" that had been described in 1782 by the English ornithologist John Latham in his A General Synopsis of Birds. The copper-rumped hummingbird was formerly placed in the genus Amazilia. A molecular phylogenetic study published in 2014 found that the genus Amazilia was polyphyletic. In the revised classification to create monophyletic genera, the copper-rumped hummingbird was moved by most taxonomic systems to the resurrected genus Saucerottia. However, BirdLife International's Handbook of the Birds of the World (HBW) retains it in Amazilia.

The genus Saucerottia had been introduced in 1850 by the French naturalist Charles Lucien Bonaparte. The genus name is from the specific epithet saucerrottei for the steely-vented hummingbird, the type species. The epithet was coined in 1846 by Adolphe Delattre and Jules Bourcier to honor the French physician and ornithologist Antoine Constant Saucerotte. The specific epithet tobaci is from the island of Tobago, the type locality.

These seven subspecies of copper-rumped hummingbird are recognised by world-wide taxonomic systems:

 * S. t. monticola Todd, 1913
 * S. t. feliciae (Lesson, R, 1840)
 * S. t. caudata (Zimmer, JT & Phelps, 1949)
 * S. t. aliciae (Richmond, 1895)
 * S. t. erythronotos (Lesson, R, 1829)
 * S. t. tobaci (Gmelin, JF, 1788)
 * S. t. caurensis Berlepsch & Hartert, E, 1902

Description
The copper-rumped hummingbird is 9 to 11 cm long. Males weigh 4.6 to 4.7 g and females 3.5 to 4.2 g. The nominate subspecies S. t. tobaci is the largest. Both sexes of all subspecies have a straight, medium length, blackish bill with a pinkish base to the mandible. Males of S. t. tobaci have bronze-green upperparts with purple-red uppertail coverts. They have dark golden-green underparts with reddish brown undertail coverts. Their tail is purplish black. Adult females are similar though their upperparts are a less intense bronze-green and they have some whitish on the chin and upper throat. Juveniles resemble females but have some grayish brown on the throat and belly.

Subspecies S. t. monticola is darker than the nominate and has a steel blue to violet-blue tail. S. t. feliciaes back is more of a golden-green than the nominate's and its tail is bluish black. S. t. caudata has a dark blue tail. S. t. aliciae has some copper in its upperparts, a blue-black tail, and cinnamon-rufous undertail coverts. S. t. erythronotos has slightly darker underparts than the nominate and some dark purplish in the uppertail coverts. S. t. caurensis has a grayer rump and uppertail coverts than the nominate, a dark purplish tail, and bluish black undertail coverts.

Distribution and habitat
The subspecies of copper-rumped hummingbird are found thus:

 * S. t. monticola, the northwestern Venezuelan states of Falcón, Lara, and Yaracuy
 * S. t. feliciae, north and central Venezuela between Carabobo and Anzoátegui and south to Táchira, Apure, and Guárico
 * S. t. caudata, northeastern Venezuela's states of Sucre and Monagas
 * S. t. aliciae, Margarita Island off the coast of Venezuela
 * S. t. erythronotos, Trinidad
 * S. t. tobaci, Tobago
 * S. t. caurensis Bolívar and Amazonas states in southeastern Venezuela

Specimens of this species labeled as from Grenada are believed to have been actually collected on Tobago, and "the occurrence of the species in the Lesser Antilles is doubtful."

The copper-rumped hummingbird inhabits a wide variety of forest types including gallery forest, cloudforest, rainforest, and secondary forest. S. t. erythronotos and S. t. tobaci are also found in savanna, plantations, and gardens. Most subspecies range in elevation from sea level to 1000 m though monticola and feliciae can be found as high as 2000 m and aliciae is seldom found at low elevation.

Movement
The island subspecies of copper-rumped hummingbird are sedentary; the mainland ones make some local movements.

Feeding
The copper-rumped hummingbird forages for nectar from at least 40 species of trees, vines, herbs, and other plants including introduced species. It is extremely territorial and vigorously defends feeding areas from other birds, even larger ones. In addition to nectar it feeds on small insects by hawking from a perch or by gleaning from vegetation.

Breeding
The copper-rumped hummingbird's breeding season on Trinidad is almost year-round, excluding only September and October; its peak is from January to March. On Tobago it spans at least from November to June. The breeding seasons of mainland subspecies are essentially unknown. The species builds a nest of silky plant down with lichen on the outside. It places it like a saddle in a fork or on a small branch, usually between 1 and 3 m above the ground but occasionally as high as 6 m. Nests have also been found on wires and clotheslines. The female incubates the clutch of two eggs for 16 to 19 days and fledging occurs 19 to 23 days after hatch. Up to three broods may be produced each season.

Vocalization
The copper-rumped hummingbird's song is "a repeated phrase of three buzzy or squeaky, well-spaced notes 'tee-dee-dew' or 'tee-dzee-djit'." It also makes "high-pitched descending rattles" when foraging.

Status
The IUCN has assessed the copper-rumped hummingbird as being of Least Concern, though its population size and trend are unknown. It has a large range and no immediate threats have been identified. Those on Trinidad and Tobago and the mainland subspecies S. t. feliciae and S. t. caudata are considered common to very common. The other subspecies appear to be more scattered, though this might be due to incomplete data.

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Cannonsburg

Cannonsburg can refer to a place in the United States:

 * Cannonsburg, Kentucky
 * Cannonsburg, Michigan
 * Cannonsburg, Ohio

 * See also
 * Canonsburg, Pennsylvania

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User:Celsius1414

Celsius1414 is an allusion to Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451.

1414°C (1687°K, 2577°F) is the melting point of silicon.

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User talk:Satchel

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Hope you like it here, and stick around.

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Bullet Rogan nominated as a "Good article"
I've nominated the article Bullet Rogan, to which you were a major contributor, for consideration as a Good article. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. BRMo (talk) 07:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Keystones
Hello, Satchel! I have two comments. First, I left a question for you at Talk:Pittsburgh Keystones (baseball). I am curious about seamheads.com as I don't really know too much about it yet (regarding sourcing).

My second comment has nothing to do with Negro league baseball, it is a Wikipedia comment -- I just wanted to make you aware of SELFCITING. I am not implying anything, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of it (I know you've been on WP forever, but I didn't know if you've read every stinkin' policy!).

I'll watch the article talk page for a response on my first comment, and I'll also watch your talk page in case you have a question on the second comment. Thanks for your time, Rgrds. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.214.2 (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm confident my edits conform to Wikipedia policies, particularly the one you mention. If you disagree or think you've got better citations, feel free to speak up or make your own edits.Satchel (talk) 15:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

ILBCAC / ILIP
Hello, Satchel! I'm the same IP as in the above section. I was wondering if you could solve something for me. The ILBCAC is mentioned in a source used for the Philadelphia Giants, Brooklyn Royal Giants, Cuban X-Giants and Nat Strong articles. Its timeline seems to overlap with the Ilip. Do you know if these two leagues are the same league? I can't find anything else about the ILBCAC so I thought it may have been an alternate name. Rgrds. --64.85.216.231 (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, the International League of Independent Professional Base Ball Clubs was an organization of black, Cuban, and white independent teams in the Philadelphia area in 1906. In 1907 the white teams left, and it became the National Association of Colored Professional Clubs of the United States and Cuba. Sol White, in his chapter on the 1907 season, calls it the International League of Colored Base Ball Teams, though he may just have been remembering the former (1906) name of the league.Satchel--Satchel (talk) 02:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Thanks for replying, I hope you're still following Wikipedia at the moment. I'm still a bit confused, so ILIP & ILBAC were the same league?  And, either way, you're saying that league survived for additional seasons, so what ever became of that league?  I've not read anything on it and this is the first I'm hearing of it.  I'd like to update the ILIP article with this info.
 * (Also, I used Seamheads.com as a reason for a proposal, so please drop by Talk:Cuban Stars (West) if you have an opinion there.) Rgrds. --64.85.216.47 (talk) 14:30, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, the source cited above is actually about the National Association of Colored Baseball Clubs of the United States and Cuba, and doesn't mention any International League or ILBCAC. Simply put, there was no ILBCAC. I've just written a lengthy post on my blog (goo.gl/Xj4Nrr) about the two leagues that did exist: the International League of Independent Professional Base Ball Clubs (1906), which was not a "colored" league (as it included two white teams), and the National Association (1907-1909), which was. Note that when I wrote the comment above I was assuming the National Association was a continuation of the International League; further research has led me to believe that they were almost certainly two distinct organizations. The National Association deserves its own article. And IMO the International League article should probably not be titled "ILIP" (or worse "Ilip")--that acronym was never used in 1906.--Satchel (talk) 03:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Btw, the National Association championship was occasionally referred to informally as "International," which may have created some of the confusion (Sol White, as noted above; also Nat Strong referred to the "International Colored Championship" once in 1909). But there's no doubt that the National Association was the body organizing the schedule and awarding the pennant.--Satchel (talk) 16:52, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Intriguing blog post, thanks very much for that. I need to read over it a few more times to make sure I have my timelines of the teams straight. Thanks again. Rgrds. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.214.177 (talk) 17:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I spoke too soon on there being "no ILBCAC." The National Association was also referred to as the International League of Colored Baseball Clubs of America and Cuba in 1909, at least in the pages of the New York Age. The National Association name was also used that year, so it's hard to say which was the actual name of the organization. I do think it was a single organization, though (and that it was NOT the same as the International League of Independent Professional Base Ball Clubs of 1906.--Satchel (talk) 04:25, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Oy! I had already changed the occurrences of ILBCAC to the National Association. Fortunately I did link all of the changes, and the link is still a redlink (National Association of Colored Baseball Clubs of the United States and Cuba), so once it is created it can contain both of the names (ILBCAC can then redirect to the National Association or, if further research shows the other name is predominant, the redirect can be swapped with the article name).  Rgrds. --64.85.216.222 (talk) 11:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Cuban Giants
Alright, the above source and your blog list the Cuban Giants in the National Association in 1907, but the Cuban Giants I know of ceased operations in 1899. What team is this referring to? Rgrds. --64.85.216.189 (talk) 14:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. J. M. Bright ran the Cuban Giants from 1887 until his death in 1913, and then it was run for a year or two by one of his sons. I've never heard of them ceasing operations in 1899--they played a full schedule in both 1899 and 1900, as far as I know.--Satchel (talk) 19:35, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

 * The WP article doesn't have any implications the team lasted into the 1900s (it actually states the duration of the team was "1885-1899"), and I don't have any good refs for pre-1920 teams myself, so I thought otherwise. I've never liked that particular WP article anyway -- it reads too much like an essay from a SABR research journal rather than an encyclopedic article.  Rgrds. --64.85.216.222 (talk) 11:51, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

X-Giants
One more thing, the "'Slick' and Strong Organize League" article lists the X-Giants as a member of the National Association, but the later standings don't include the X-Giants at all. I believe the X-Giants ceased to exist after the '07 season, correct? So what became of their '07 NA season? Rgrds. --64.85.216.222 (talk) 12:47, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this one. The Cuban X-Giants were involved in the organization of the National Association in late 1906, but they ceased to exist before the 1907 season started. Their last games were actually played in Cuba in fall 1906.--Satchel (talk) 01:05, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Richmond (IN) Giants
Hello, Satchel! I'm the 64.85 IP from all of the above posts from, wow, a long time ago. Anyway, I am stumped on another team and would like your input. I know you don't edit very often, so I've watchlisted this page. An editor has created an article on the Richmond (IN) Giants from 1918-1919, split from the ABCs. The online sites all recognize a 1922 edition of the team, but not 1918-1919. I see no sources listing Oscar Charleston, Connie Day or Bill Hamilton on their roster. My gut says this was a semi-pro team that had some stars passing thru, which may or may not have played a real Negro team on occasion. If you have a chance, can you share what info you have on this team? Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 04:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Or maybe they're just a remnant of the busted up Indianapolis ABCs. I glossed over that connection. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 05:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't know much personally about this team. There's a recent book on it, "Black Baseball in the Hoosier Heartland: Unearthing the Negro Leagues Baseball History of Richmond, Indiana," by Alex Painter, and I suspect that's the origin of the article. The 1918 Richmond Giants were evidently really the relocated Jewell's ABCs of Indianapolis (a different team from the more famous ABCs run by C. I. Taylor). The 1922 Richmond Giants that appear in the Seamheads DB were from Richmond, Virginia, so they're totally unrelated. Satchel (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The author offered some newspaper articles as sources (which unfortunately I can't access online), but with your comment and some additional poking around on the 'net, I think the article is acceptable now. Thanks for your input, and good to see you around still. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 05:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/John Moore (baseball)
Hello, Satchel! In trying to save this article from deletion, I was wondering (hoping) that you may have a newspaper reference that we can add to the article? It appears that just because Mr. Moore only has listings on stats sites they want to disremember him. Hope you are well, Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 17:58, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Jamey Sheridan

James Patrick Sheridan (born July 12, 1951) is an American actor known for playing a wide range of roles in theater, film, and television. He's best known for Randall Flagg in The Stand (1994), Captain James Deakins on Law & Order: Criminal Intent (2001-2006), and Robert Queen on Arrow (2012-2019).

Career
Sheridan's acting career has encompassed theater, television, and feature film productions. Born in Pasadena, California, to a family of actors, he earned a Tony nomination in 1987 for his performance in the revival of Arthur Miller's All My Sons. After several TV movie appearances, Sheridan landed a starring role as lawyer Jack Shannon on Shannon's Deal, which ran for one season in 1990. His later television roles include Dr. John Sutton on Chicago Hope (from 1995 to 1996).

An avid football player in his youth, Sheridan studied acting at UC Santa Barbara as sports injuries prevented him from taking dance classes. After a brief stint at the Old Globe in San Diego, Sheridan left California to travel the world. With stops in Hawaii and the Mediterranean, Sheridan settled for a period in Edinburgh. His experience there prompted him to head home to the U.S. and return to acting. He landed in New York and kept busy working in a number of productions by recognized playwrights as diverse as Bernard Shaw and Neil Simon.

Sheridan started his film career in the late 1980s with small roles. His first on screen appearance was in the Whoopi Goldberg vehicle Jumpin Jack Flash. By the 1990s, he was playing family man roles in both film and television, such as in the 1991 motion picture All I Want for Christmas. He also has played villains. In 1994 he played the character of Randall Flagg in the miniseries adaptation of Stephen King's The Stand. Other roles include Marty Stouffer in Wild America and the psychotic neighbor in Video Voyeur: The Susan Wilson Story. After a long history of performing Shakespeare on the stage, Sheridan appeared in Campbell Scott's production of Hamlet in 2000 as well as the Hamlet-inspired modern noir film Let the Devil Wear Black (1999). He co-starred in the improvisational film The Simian Line in 2001. He has also given supporting performances in The Ice Storm, Cradle Will Rock, Life as a House, and numerous TV movies.

More recently, Sheridan played Capt. James Deakins in the television series Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Late in the 2004–2005 season, Sheridan began wearing an eyepatch as he began showing the symptoms of Bell's palsy. This was written into the show; however, Deakins was written out of the series at the end of the 2005–2006 season, at Sheridan's request. His character was replaced by Capt. Danny Ross, played by Eric Bogosian.

Sheridan played alongside Jane Seymour in the Hallmark Channel movie Dear Prudence as Detective Eddie Duncan. On November 6, 2008, Sheridan guest starred as an evening news anchor on the ABC dramedy Eli Stone.

From 2009 to 2010, Sheridan starred in NBC's Trauma as Dr. Joseph "Joe" Saviano. In 2010 Sheridan starred in the movie Handsome Harry, a drama. He played speechwriter Mark Salter in the political film Game Change.

In fall 2011, Sheridan played Vice President William Walden in the first season of Showtime's drama/thriller Homeland; the show was renewed for a second season consisting of 12 episodes, with Sheridan returning as a regular.

In the fall of 2012, Sheridan signed on to play a recurring role on CW's Arrow, playing Robert Queen, Oliver Queen's father. He appears in seasons one, three, five, and seven, mainly through flashbacks.

Sheridan played Jim Sullivan in the 2015 film Spotlight.

Personal life
Sheridan and his wife, actress Colette Kilroy, have three children. They live in Los Angeles.

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Patrick Edward Connor

Patrick Edward Connor (March 17, 1820 – December 17, 1891) was an Irish American soldier who served as a Union general during the American Civil War. He is most notorious for his massacres against Native Americans during the Indian Wars in the American Old West.

Early life and career
Patrick Edward Connor was born in Ballyferriter, County Kerry, Ireland on St. Patrick's Day, 1820. He emigrated to the United States at 12 or 16 years old and enlisted, as "Patrick Edward O'Connor", in the United States Army on November 28, 1839. In addition to service in the Seminole Wars, he served as a dragoon at Fort Leavenworth, Fort Atkinson, Fort Sandford, and at the second Fort Des Moines. He was honorably discharged as a private on November 28, 1844, and after two years in New York, he moved to Texas. On April 5, 1845, he became a naturalized citizen.

Mexican–American War
Connor joined the Texas Volunteers in May 1846 using the name "P. Edward Connor", serving as a first lieutenant in the Texas Foot Riflemen during the Mexican–American War. On July 7, 1846, at Galveston, he was mustered into the United States Army as a first lieutenant, enlisting for 12 months. His independent company of Texas Volunteers under the command of Captain Charles A. Seefield was ordered to Port Lavaca on Matagorda Bay as a part of General John E. Wool's Army of the Center, which was slated to invade Mexico. Marching through Monclova, Parras, and Saltillo, the company, now under Connor's command as a captain, and attached to the 2nd Illinois Volunteers under the command of Colonel William H. Bissell, fought in the Battle of Buena Vista in February 1847. The company saw heavy action and Connor was wounded in the hand; two of his lieutenants and 13 men were killed. Connor was honorably discharged on May 24, 1847, near Monterey, Mexico, resigning due to rheumatism. When the California Gold Rush began, he crossed Mexico from Texas and arrived in California on January 22, 1850.

California
Upon his arrival in California, Connor was involved in a boating accident in the Pacific Ocean while attempting to establish a new settlement near the mouth of the Trinity River. Connor and his men were unaware that the Trinity River empties into the Klamath River instead of the Pacific. Of the 10 people in the whale boat attempting to navigate the heavy surf, five drowned.

On May 28, 1853, Connor was called by Harry S. Love to be his lieutenant in the company of California State Rangers with 20 other experienced Mexican–American War veterans. They hunted down and killed Mexican outlaw Joaquin Murrieta and three others of his gang and captured two others, breaking up the so-called "Five Joaquins".The rest of the Rangers and he were well-rewarded by the state before being disbanded.

Civil War
When the American Civil War broke out, Connor was in command of the "Stockton Blues", a unit in the California Militia. He brought the strength of the unit up to regimental size and it became the 3rd Regiment California Volunteer Infantry. His regiment was ordered to the Utah Territory to protect the overland routes from Indians and quell a possible Mormon uprising.

While in Utah, Connor, as senior officer, became commander of the District of Utah, Department of the Pacific, on August 6, 1862, establishing Camp Douglas at Salt Lake City in October, but became discontented with his assignment. His men and he wished to head to Virginia where the real fighting and glory was occurring. When Major General Henry W. Halleck (a personal friend of Connor's) became the general-in-chief of the Union armies, Connor pleaded that his men had enlisted to fight traitors. He offered to withhold $30,000 from the regiment's pay to ship the troops to the eastern battlefields. Halleck suggested that Connor reconnoiter the Salt Lake City area. Connor did so and established Fort Douglas in a commanding position over the city, despite the wishes of the Mormons. Brigham Young tried through his personal representative to Congress John F. Kinney to displace federal troops. However, through the efforts of Governor James Duane Doty and Colonel Connor, federal troops were sequestered at Fort Douglas by Washington and the Pacific Theatre commanding general.

In October 1863, Connor and Governor Doty signed peace treaties with the remaining hostile Indian tribes, thereby bringing to a close all Indian hostilities within the Utah Territory. Shortly after the signing of the treaties, officers and enlisted men of the California Volunteers stationed at Fort Douglas established the first daily Utah newspaper called The Union Vedette. This newspaper offered a balance of news unavailable through the Deseret News, owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Connor provided protection for non-Mormons and those wishing to leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints during his three years of service in Utah. He also discovered valuable mineral wealth in Utah that was reported to his superiors. This led to the gradual immigration of non-Mormons into Utah that led to weakening of the power of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on everyday affairs in the territory. Connor engaged in extensive military correspondence, which was published in 1897 under The War of the Rebellion: A Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies.

Connor remained in command of the District of Utah until it was merged in March 1865 into the District of the Plains, established at his suggestion that a "Department of the Plains" be created which he would command. The new district, in the Department of the Missouri, combined the former districts of Utah (redesignated West Subdistrict), Nebraska Territory (East Subdistrict), Colorado Territory (South SubdDistrict), and the Territory of Idaho (North Subdistrict). Connor was named commander of the new district.

Bear River Massacre
In the early 1860s, population pressures in the Washington Territory near the present-day Idaho–Utah border led to conflicts between immigrant settlers and Native Americans. After an attack on miners with depositions given in Salt Lake City by the survivors, Connor marched his regiment 140 mi over the frozen winter landscape to "deal" with the Indians. From Fort Ruby, Connor instructed his troops to "destroy every male Indian whom you may encounter." On January 29, 1863, Connor's troops encountered a Shoshone encampment along the Bear River. Connor and his militia crossed the river and attacked the camp, then feigned a retreat only to encircle the camp and renew their attack.

Connor sent additional troops to block the Indian escape route through a ravine, and sent the rest of his soldiers on a flanking maneuver to a ridge, from where they fired down into the Indians. The soldiers also fired on Indians as they attempted to escape by swimming across the bitterly cold river. The troops killed nearly all of the Indians in the encampment, aside from about 160 women and children, who were later released and given some wheat to help feed them.

The Shoshone had been supplied by the Mormons and large quantities of wheat and articles of war were captured by Connor's command after the battle at Bear River. According to Connor, an Indian survivor later said that the large band of Indians was planning on destroying the town of Franklin in modern-day Idaho. Connor's dispatches are detailed in The War of the Rebellion: A Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies of the Pacific Theater. Brigham Madsen's book The Northern Shosoni tells a different story.

Powder River Expedition
After the Bear River Massacre, Connor was appointed brigadier general in the Volunteer Army. From July to September 1865, he led the punitive Powder River Expedition against Sioux, Cheyenne, and Arapaho Indians who were attacking travelers along the Bozeman Trail and overland mail routes. Connor's 2,600 men were organized into three widely separated units, which traversed hundreds of miles of what would become Montana and Wyoming. As the expedition began, Connor's orders to his officers were, "You will not receive overtures of peace or submission from Indians, but will attack and kill every male Indian over 12 years of age." Connor's superiors countermanded this order.

The soldiers were harassed by Indians, who avoided pitched battles. Connor established Fort Connor, later Fort Reno, and destroyed an Arapaho village at the Battle of the Tongue River. His Pawnee scouts also ambushed and killed a band of 24 Cheyenne warriors. Most of the time, however, Connor's three units were on the defensive, fending off Indian raids on their horses and supply wagons, which left many soldiers on foot, in rags, and reduced to eating raw horse meat. On the whole, the expedition was considered "a dismal failure" carried out with "large, ungainly columns filled with troops anxious to get home now that the Civil War was over."

Later life
After the Civil War ended, Connor was appointed a brevet major general in the Volunteer Army and mustered out of the volunteer service in 1866. Never having been in combat against the Confederacy in the East, he continued to command troops on the frontier. He recruited Confederate veterans for service against the Indians.

Making his permanent residence in Salt Lake City, Connor established one the city's first newspapers. He also became involved in mining again. He founded a city in Utah and named it Stockton in honor of his California militia unit.

Connor died in Salt Lake City, Utah Territory, in 1891 at the age of 71 and was buried there.

Reputation in Ireland
Little was known about the Bear River Massacre or the life and reputation of Patrick Edward Connor in his native County Kerry in Ireland. However, on Monday 7 August 2023 (August Bank Holiday Monday) local radio station, Radio Kerry, broadcast a 90-minute radio documentary entitled Gloryhunter, Kerry’s Indian Killer.

This documentary sets out a detailed account of the massacre and Connor's role in the dispossession and killing of first nation Americans in modern-day Utah, Idaho and Colorado. It features interviews with historians and authors, as well as representatives of the Shoshone nation. The full documentary is available to hear on Spotify.

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Hebrew Actors' Union

The Hebrew Actors' Union (HAU) was a craft union for actors in Yiddish theater in the United States (primarily in New York City), and was the first actors' union in the United States. The union was affiliated with the Associated Actors and Artistes of America of the AFL.

History
The Hebrew Actors' Union was officially founded in 1899 by Jewish labor leader Joseph Barondess, who had been sent by the United Hebrew Trades to aid striking actors at the People's Theatre. The Union was closely associated from its beginning with the American Federation of Labor (AFL) and with the general and Jewish labor movement.

A 1925 article in The New York Times described the union as having, at that time, "over three hundred" members, and notes that it has, "not only placed all of its members in good positions, but [that] it has also granted many privileges to non-members..." It also notes that, "A great many members of the union are American-born and all of them are thoroughly Americanized." The union represented "performers (except musicians) who are engaged in the field of Hebrew or Yiddish Language Theater."

Yiddish theater was at the height of its popularity in the 1920s and even into the 1930s, when Yiddish theater attendance had already started to decrease, the Union claimed a robust membership and there was enough of an audience to maintain quite a few Yiddish theaters throughout the country. A variety of factors, including the Great Depression, the continued acculturation of the American Jewish population and the movement of Jewish audiences towards Broadway and motion pictures and the lack of new audiences that accompanied the end of immigration combined to erode the audience for the Yiddish theater. Theaters began to close, theatrical seasons were cut short and several of the biggest stars of the Yiddish theater left for the non-Yiddish stage or Hollywood.

By the middle of the 1930 theatrical season, the managers of the remaining nine New York theaters threatened to close if there was not a dramatic percent cut in Hebrew Actors' Union personnel salaries, which were significantly higher than non-Union members. The Union threatened to strike but the theater managers kept to their promise and, starting on December 8, 1930, the theaters closed for two weeks. The Union was forced to cut its salary scale and to waive its power to set a quota for actors for every theater for the duration of the season, but it was not enough. Tensions between the Union and the theater managers continued to increase at the same time that the Yiddish theater audience continued to wane. More theaters closed, fewer productions were staged and Yiddish-language actors struggled to find enough work to support themselves.

After the death of long-time president Reuben Guskin in 1951, the Union was led by elected volunteer presidents, many of whom were active in the Yiddish theater. These included Herman Yablokoff, composer of the hit song Papirosn (Cigarettes), the Broadway and Yiddish stage actor Bernard Sauer (1986 until his death in 1991) and singer and performer Seymour Rexite, who was the last president of the Union from 1991 until his death at age 91 in 2002. After Rexite's death, the Union's leadership passed to one-time Yiddish performer Ruth Ellen, who served as acting head until October 2005, when it was declared defunct by its parent union, the Associated Actors and Artistes of America. As of February 15, 2008, it was still listed in the AFL–CIO's online list of affiliates. The union filed a terminal report with the Department of Labor, dated fiscal year 2013.

Legacy
In 2006, a cache of material including programs, photographs, plays, costumes, music manuscripts, props and other memorabilia, which The New York Times described as "moldering" in the Hebrew Actors Union building, was deposited at the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research, housed in Manhattan's Center for Jewish History. The weekly Jewish newspaper Forward reported in October 2006 and again in October 2007 about controversies surrounding the disposition of the union's building at 31 East 7th Street in the Yiddish Theater District in Manhattan, which is still owned by the Hebrew Actors Union.

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Talk:Cummerbund

Etymology
The phrase "kamarband" (کمربند) is directly from the Persian compound kamar (waist) + band (band). Hindi Bandh is a cognate of its Persian counterpart, but the Hindi word was not inserted into the phrase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagrationi (talk • contribs) 20:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I reverted a change that (without sources) changed from the above to saying that cummerbund came from "cucumber band" and had something to do with showing off vegetables. Didn't really sound trustworthy. �Swooch (talk) 08:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Purpose
What was the original purpose of the cummerbund?

Spelling
I'm going to remove "cumberbund" as a mis-spelling. It doesn't appear in my paper Collins dictionary, the Dictionary application in OS X, or any of the sources used by Dictionary.com. It also doesn't seem to fit with the etymology given in the article, has a fraction of the hits on google (though as a common misspelling still has quite a few) and (least authoritative source :-) ) has always seemed wrong to me. PeteVerdon 00:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I can't believe I'm responding to a 7 year old comment, but it really is in Collins too. See: http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/cumberbund MrChupon (talk) 00:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The following spelling variations are offered by OED:

combar-, commer-, cumber-, cummerband, cummer-, kummerbund.

Just because it is offered as an incorrect variation does NOT mean it should be included. See also: preventative, supposably. These are not actual words, but are listed as incorrect variations because so many people use them. Stupidity is taking over certain things, it should not prevail when it comes to the dictionary. 204.17.31.126 (talk) 21:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I do find it rather odd that a mis-spelling should be listed against the article. Pretty much any word on Wikipedia could be described as "sometimes mistakenly spelled...". If it's that prevalent a mistake there ought to be a decent citation to support that contention. 81.155.82.131 (talk) 12:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge
I don't see any reason to have both articles. Merge supported.

I'm in favour as well.

Me too. It is annoying to find that people who are ignorant or misled have their mistakes legitimised by virtue of their ability to access the web. They should learn to spell first and stop guessing.

Colonies?
Can anyone explain the uncited single-sentence paragraph "This has gone out of fashion in the past few decades as the Colonies have moved away from their Imperial roots"? And why is "Flusser" notable enough to be included here without any introduction, first name or note of relevance?

Modern Western Reasons...
I've seen former classmates of mine wearing cummerbands that are much boarder and thicker...and ha, it's now wore to hide the beer budge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.65.111 (talk) 23:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Cummerbunds in Athletics
This article needs a reference for using cummerbunds in gymnastics or other sports in the late 19th/early 20th century. 136.38.125.183 (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Founding date
Several sites give founding dates of 1884 or 1887. 1884 is absurd: Yiddish theater in America was two years old at that time, and nearly amateur. I suspect that some prominent site got this wrong and others have been propagating it. 1887 is just barely imaginable, but most of the most reliable sources I've seen, including Lulla Rosenfeld's commentary to Jacob Adler's memoir, give 1899, which would make it just slightly before other actors began to unionize. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:15, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

The website of the Screen Actors Guild says 1899. "1899: Hebrew Actors Union founded by Jewish labor leader Joseph Barondess" SOURCE: http://www.sag.org/history/chronos_pages/pre_guild.html

>> Arieh Lebowitz, Communications Director & Program Associate, Jewish Labor Committee

P.S. I am the fellow who did all of the updates tonight. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.24.208 (talk • contribs) 17 Oct 2007

Another source worth consulting
Andrew Jacobs, "The Last Act", New York Times, p. CY3, December 8, 1996. Something of an elegy for Yiddish theater and for the union in its last days. This, by the way, says it was founded in 1887, and the NYT is pretty citable, so I will add that (but the article could be mined for a lot more). - Jmabel | Talk 19:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

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Made the text of the Angelus into a table with the English translation. Not being sure of the copyrights that apply to the translations out there, I translated it myself with the aid of a dictionary and compared it to this site to fix grammar. If someone more knowledgeable about this sort of thing feels that the translation does violate copyrights, please revert it. X) If someone happens to know that any of the regular translations of it are in the public domain, it would probably be better to use one of those. User:Jenmoa 07:15, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've changed the English translation into that most commonly used in the Church (specifically the Church of England). Wording may be slightly different for other parishes - however, using the "thou" forms and so on for the Hail Mary is almost universal. Stefan 23:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge
agree. Thatcher131 03:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Merger Complete
Help expand this article! :) Judgesurreal777 22:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Why we should pray the Angelus...
It would be good to know too why we Catholics should pray the Angelus.

 * I'm not sure if you meant we should include this in the article, or if you are just asking. To give a brief explanation of why the Angelus is a good devotion for Catholics and all Christians, the Angelus remembers Christ's coming in the Flesh in order for our salvation and as Mary was the first to receive Him so we wish to also and with the aid of her prayers to her Son.  I'll think about adding something like this to the article.--Francis419jn655 19:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I think it would be helpful to include a history of the practice outside and in relation to Roman Catholicism 70.36.197.224 (talk) 23:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Removed Tagalog version
I've removed the Tagalog translation of the Angelus, as there's no reason for it to appear in the English language Wikipedia. Sonitus 04:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Sources?
This article seems to lack sources... it would be good if there was a source cited to back it up. -Fisheromen 18:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree and add some comments to that effect below. I have also added a couple of "citation needed" to the article.  There are some weasel words too, such as "some" attribute.  Should probably be cleaned up.  In general, the article could use a better history section.--Bruce Hall (talk) 13:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Why did Pope Gregory ordered a bell to be rung in the evening?
I think this is a good question.Because we must remember the past history of the Angelus.The answer is; Pope Gregory ordered a bell to ring in the evening to remind people to pray for the Crusades.......Louie Bernadette Belga June 21,2007
 * This is in the article. Is there a source?  Given the sensitive nature of the Crusades, there should probably be sources for this and other claims.  I have added in a few "citation needed".--Bruce Hall (talk) 13:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Confused on Numbers
It is pointed out that the Angelus is sounded on RTE TV at 6 each evening but I recall this to be 18 bells long, cf. the 9 cited in the article. Is there any knowledge on this discrepancy? Daithic (talk) 10:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would imagine you are right. Standard practice seems to be three sets of three (during each Hail Mary), with a pause in between, and then a group of nine for the final Collect. Stefan (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Translations
Is there a reason to have three translations here? Why not fifty? I think we should have one, and that one, straightforwardly literal. Tb (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, there used to be 3, after your edit & mine there are just 2 versions. It is really no big deal to me either way, and I like your really readable version, but for the sake of completeness, a really pedantic version would be good to preserve. If you find a really old version, that would be nicer than even the current. And if we have just one, I bet someoen will add a 2nd version in a few weeks. Anyway, no big deal really. History2007 (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Not sure what you mean by "really pedantic". My changes render the translation into literal English.  That's exactly what we should have: the prayer is a latin prayer, and we really will have either one or fifty translations.  (Trust me, we had this problem with psalms, where every little variation started to get listed--already the case here.)  Let's wait a moment and see if anyone has any arguments for having more than one translation; and then in a week or so, if nobody can propose why we need more than one, we can have just one.  Tb (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Done deal. History2007 (talk) 19:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree with TB; one well translated English version is suitable. ~ All Is One ~ (talk) 04:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I would respectfully disagree. Yes, the text is a Latin prayer, but it is a text which is still said day by day in many churches in an English translation. If it were an obscure Classical work, then anyone's literal translation would suffice, but as with texts like the Magnificat, a) English is used worldwide more than Latin, and b) the English version used is not a literal translation!

 * Your words are telling: "my changes render the translation into literal English". Your version is not the text known throughout the world: an 'official' translation will at least be something one can cite, and one that will reflect liturgical practice in at least some parts of the world. As an example of what I found jarring: in England, I have never heard the Hail Mary said in the modern "you" form! I think there is room for two versions: the traditional language version most commonly used, with a reference to the English Missal or another text in which is found, and a literal translation. Stefan (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

 * The Society of Saint John the Evangelist uses "you" in the US, and regardless, the Latin does not contain any special honorific form of "you", nor does it use any sort of specialized "religious" form of speech. A translation which does those things is misleading.  The "traditional" language you refer to, which tradition?  I've seen different translations, in the detail, nearly every printing.  This page had three "traditional" versions. Tb (talk) 22:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree with Stefan. My general feeling also was the following: As these prayers get watered down every few years by becoming more "everyday" we will eventually end up with a slang version of prayers that eventually drift from the original. The end result: loss of respect. And what TB and myself may consider "literal English" is in fact old English to the newer generation that just talks SMS 50% of the day rather than structured English. I think soon they may request an SMS version of the Angelus. So two versions are really needed in that an old established translation that acts as an anchor and an everyday version that may get reshaped over time. So I think we need both pedantic and pedestrian versions of the prayer in English, as well as the original Latin. The main goal is to preserve some history so we will not eventually end up with SMS, rock or rap versions of the Angelus, Hail Mary or Our Father as they get watered down into everyday form. And what is the big deal in having a 2nd version as the anchor? Disk space? This talk page takes more disk space than that. So I see no reason not to have just one established version that does not vary over time. History2007 (talk) 15:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not exist to prevent slang or "watered down" versions. I'm content with no translation, but I'm not content with translations which are not direct and faithful renditions of the Latin. The Latin contains no trace of special forms of "you", for example. Wikipedia is not here to make sure people have "respect" for prayers. The insistence on "the" traditional form is silly, there is no single traditional translation. The value of a translation in wikipedia is to tell a reader what the prayer says, not to encourage the reader to show "respect", or avoid "watering down", or whatever. As for "just one established version", there is no just one established version. Shall we use the one that the Society of Saint John the Evangelist in the US uses daily? Or the one printed in the English translation of the RC Handbook of Indulgences? Or the one in the Saint Augustine's Prayer Book? Or--shock--how about one which simply translates the Latin? I'm happy with one translation, or zero, provided that the translation is not misleading. Many "traditional" translations are misleading. Tb (talk) 22:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Obviously zero translations will not work. So choices are:

 * Saint John the Evangelist
 * Handbook of Indulgences
 * Saint Augustine's Prayer Book
 * A Wiki-editor's personal translation
 * A SMS version

My guess: 2 of the above. Do you have the text from Handbook of Indulgences, or Saint Augustine's Prayer Book? I don't have those. Thanks History2007 (talk) 11:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

 * By "just one established version" I meant "just one of the established versions". Never mind - you're a friar, I'm a layman. Do what you like. God bless. Stefan (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Although I joked about an SMS version, in practice many Roman Catholics rely on EWTN as their main source for reliable info on prayers. So I would like to see the EWTN version presented within the page from a Roman Catholic perspective anyway. History2007 (talk) 17:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Quotes 7 and 8
Take a look at quotes 7 and 8 in the "Quotes" section. Are these encyclopedic? Should they be removed? ~ All Is One ~ (talk) 21:28, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed, since no objection. The notes made no relevant sense; poor spelling. ~ All Is One ~ (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I have seen a text that suggests that Thomas(?) Arundel, archbishop of Canterbury, was responsible for promoting the Angelus in his Province by making an order on 10 February 1410 for this to be rung by churches under his supervision. Can anyone tell me if this is correct ? And if so, does this explain his later rebuilding of the central tower of Canterbury cathedral, so that Angelus bells could be put in it so high up that they could be heard all over the dip in which Canterbury town is sited ? These days the tower is usually called the 'Angel tower' because there was the statue of an angel on top of it, but perhaps it should be called the Angelus tower and the statue in fact represented Gabriel ? Martin Renshaw, 1 March 2009 193.253.245.116 (talk) 18:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The Angel Gabriel
I may be mistaken ... but wasn't it the Angel Gabriel who delivered the message to Mary? Or am I mistaken? If so, shouldn't this detail be added to the article? Thanks? (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC))

 * I added some information to this effect in the article. Thank you.   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

Lack of consensus
I believe there is a lack of consensus for this change:. Bold-Revert-Discuss seems to apply. Can we revert it until a new consensus should emerge? The issue is being actively discussed at Talk:Maundy Thursday. Tb (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

We can also reword the sentence in question simply to remove the explicit naming of the day, which I would be happy to accept as a compromise. Tb (talk) 18:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Multilingual texts
There are now various other texts, a couple of English, Latin, Spanish, Maltese,..... Where are we going to draw the line? Shall Norwegian and Turkish be added too? How about French and Hindustani? I think a link to a separate Wikipedia (be it French or Spanish) or a separate article on multi-languages is better, else it just gets too long and this is English Wikipedia. However, Latin should certainly remain here. Suggestions? History2007 (talk) 10:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * These versions should be directly quoted from reliable sources and referenced at each section. Editor notes need to be placed in the edit field warning not to change the text unless consensus is reached via the talk page. All other revisions to these sections should be immediately reverted. Periodic editing of this section would then be unnecessary as stable versions are more helpful to the reader. All is One (talk) 22:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

This page confuses readers
Here is a copied message from Talk:The Angelus (painting): "In this article, "a prayer" is referenced (the Angelus, of course). Clicking on "Angelus" brings up a French history, not an explanation of the thrice daily call to prayer known by that name. It seems to be from a book and not from a Wikipedia page which is usual." Looking over this article, shouldn't it be a concise description of the prayer? The history section can go into its own article Angelus (history). Jane (talk) 08:23, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Asterisks
What is the significance of the asterisks shown in the Latin and English texts? Should they not be there? - dcljr (talk) 04:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

If no one knows the answer to this question, perhaps they should be deleted, eh? (Hazratio) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazratio (talk • contribs) 18:40, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

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History of Anglican Practice
The two references given for Anglican practice are quite modern and niche, while I believe the history is longer and more complicated. As written, a reader might assume the practice is authorized, which I believe it is not. 67.180.195.248 (talk) 19:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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