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Queen of the Demonweb Pits

Queen of the Demonweb Pits (Q1) is an adventure module for the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game written by David Sutherland. The "Q" in the module code is an abbreviation for "queen". The module, a sequel to the D series of modules, was novelized in 2001.

It is the seventh module in an epic series of adventures set in the World of Greyhawk, beginning with raids by local hill giants and other events described in the G1-3 Against the Giants modules. The series becomes an odyssey into the Underdark, as described in the "Drow" series of modules: D1 (Descent into the Depths of the Earth), D2 (Shrine of the Kuo-Toa) and D3 (Vault of the Drow). D1 and D2 were later compiled into a single adventure, D1-2: Descent into the Depths of the Earth. This module brings the player characters to the Abyss to fight the evil drow demigod Lolth.

Plot summary
At the end of Vault of the Drow, the characters find an astral gate leading to the Abyssal realm of Lolth, Demon Queen of Spiders, goddess of the drow elves and architect of the plot involving hill giants, frost giants, fire giants, kuo-toa and drow. Her realm, the 66th layer of the Abyss, is known as the Demonweb Pits. The player characters are sent to another plane and trapped in a labyrinth known as the Demonweb, and must escape the web and defeat Lolth in her lair to return home.

The Q1 module was the first to offer a glimpse into the Abyss, home to the D&D race of demons. It features a map of the Demonweb Pits, a series of interweaving passageways through a maelstrom of lost souls in the Abyss. Characters who venture off the path are probably lost, and many spells work differently (or not at all). In the maze there are portals to other worlds, some to which Lolth sends minions to invade (such as a winter world and a world of permanent night). Queen of the Demonweb Pits is an open-ended adventure; each portal can lead to a large area, from which the dungeon master can launch a new campaign.

The player characters make their way through Lolth's webs, where her minions, slaves, guards and captives all challenge the characters. At the end of the module the players face a final, difficult confrontation with Lolth, and a giant, mechanical spider which she can control. The dungeon introduces Lolth's handmaidens, the demonic Yochlol.

Publication history
After the publication of the first six modules in the series, there was a delay in this module's development and release. According to Gary Gygax, he found it difficult to write; Sutherland proposed an outline which impressed Gygax so much that he decided to use it.

Queen of the Demonweb Pits was the tournament dungeon for the 1979 Origins game convention. Sutherland and Gygax designed the module, which was published in 1980 as a 32-page booklet and map folder. The module had two outer folders, with a cover by Jim Roslof and interior illustrations by Erol Otus and Jeff Dee. Queen of the Demonweb Pits was intended as the final adventure in a series of seven adventures by Gygax.

The module, the D-series' sequel, was later republished as part of the Queen of the Spiders supermodule (coded GDQ1-7) with the entire saga. Queen of the Demonweb Pits was published by Wizards of the Coast as a novel of the same name by Paul Kidd for the Greyhawk Classics series in 2001. In 2007 its setting was revisited in the Wizards of the Coast adventure module, Expedition to the Demonweb Pits.

When Queen of the Demonweb Pits was released, each Dungeons & Dragons module was marked with an alphanumeric code indicating its series. The "Q" in its module code represents "queen".

Reception
Elisabeth Barrington reviewed Queen of the Demonweb Pits in 1981 as part of a review in the 35th issue of The Space Gamer. According to Barrington, players and the Dungeon Master need to be fairly experienced because some spell effects have been altered: "It takes skill, courage, and ingenuity to make your way into (and possibly, if you're lucky, out of) the pits. A good challenge for experienced players." Barrington did complain that some of the spell alterations felt unnecessary, as some of the spells which were very useful under ordinary circumstances became almost useless due to the alterations. She did note that the book contained "many excellent ideas", and that the artwork was "up to TSR's usual neatness and simplicity", but that overall the module was "Not one of TSR's best efforts, but a worthy try." Dungeon Master for Dummies rates Queen of the Demonweb Pits as one of the ten best classic adventures.

Ken Denmead of Wired listed it as one of his "Top 10 D&D Modules I Found in Storage This Weekend". Denmead wrote that the module, intended for levels 10–14, was published "before level-inflation had taken its toll on a weary nation. In year 2007 levels, that’s like 100!" He described a number of aspects of the Abyss as psychedelic, calling the web's doors similar to the "loony corridor scene from Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band." According to Denmead, "This is one big, bad module, and if you make it to the end, well, there's just one last monster to take care of. [...] You are, in effect, trying to take out a goddess. Good luck with that." Combined as a single adventure with the rest of GDQ series, the module was voted the single greatest adventure of all time by Dungeon magazine in 2004 (the 30th anniversary of the Dungeons & Dragons game).

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Barney Martin

Barney Martin (March 3, 1923 – March 21, 2005) was an American actor, best known for playing Morty Seinfeld, father of Jerry, on the sitcom Seinfeld (1991-1998). He also played supporting roles in Mel Brooks's The Producers (1967), and the Dudley Moore comedy Arthur (1981). He originated the role of Amos Hart (Mr. Cellophane) in the 1976 Broadway production of Chicago.

Early life
Born in New York City, Martin served in the U.S. Army Air Force as a navigator during the Second World War before working as an NYPD officer for twenty years, working his way up to detective. He got his start as a comedian while still a police officer, providing deputy commissioners with humorous presentations.

Martin once commented that many Jewish Seinfeld fans told him how much his character reminded them of their fathers. Martin himself was from an Irish Catholic family.

Career
Entering show business as a stand-in for Jackie Gleason in The Honeymooners in 1955–56 and as a part-time writer for Steve Allen in the 1950s, he was discovered by Mel Brooks, who cast him in The Producers. The next year, he played the role of Hank in Charly. He went on to act in dozens of films, including the role of Liza Minnelli's unemployed father in the hit 1981 film Arthur and its 1988 sequel, Arthur 2: On the Rocks.

On television, he appeared in two episodes of The Odd Couple, once in a very early episode as an irate fellow juror infuriated with Felix Unger's pesty personality and four years later as a fellow subway train passenger. Shortly after, Martin co-starred with Tony Randall for two seasons in The Tony Randall Show as court reporter Jack Terwilliger. Throughout the run of this show, he had second billing only to Randall himself. In 1979, he was cast as the title character in Norman Lear's final TV series concept, McGurk: A Dog's Life. Martin was cast to play a character similar to Lear's earlier creation, Archie Bunker, but played as a dog. Only the pilot was completed. In 1990, he co-starred with Valerie Bertinelli and Matthew Perry in the CBS sitcom Sydney. In 1987, he appeared in the pilot episode of 21 Jump Street as Johnny Depp's partner. In 1993, Martin played the recurring role of "Pete Peters" on the Don Rickles sit-com Daddy Dearest.

In 1975, Martin originated the role of Amos Hart in the Broadway musical Chicago, in which he introduced the song "Mr. Cellophane". He appeared in many more musicals during his career, most notably South Pacific, The Fantasticks, and How Now, Dow Jones. Much of Martin's work has been in television, where he had a long career as a character actor. He played a gangster called the "Cheese Man" in a Golden Girls episode. He played a love interest for Thelma Harper in the Hawaii episode of Mama's Family, and he played the father of Frank Fontana on Murphy Brown. He appeared in an episode of Full House as Ranger Roy, the host of a popular kids' TV show. In 1981, he portrayed Ralph Marolla, father of Liza Minnelli's character in the film Arthur and the following year appeared on Barney Miller in the episode "Obituary".

In 1991, Martin was cast as the fictional father of Jerry Seinfeld, Morty Seinfeld in the sitcom Seinfeld. His first appearance was in Season 2's "The Pony Remark". Martin replaced Phil Bruns, who first portrayed the character in Season 1's "The Stake Out". Although he was the second actor to portray Jerry's dad in the show, he is the one most associated with the role, as Bruns only appeared in one episode. Martin took on the role upon showrunners Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld deciding they wanted the character of Morty Seinfeld to be harsher, as they thought Bruns was too laid-back for the character. He retained this role until the series ended in 1998.

Death
On March 21, 2005, he died of bladder cancer in Studio City, Los Angeles, California, at age 82. He was cremated, and his ashes were returned to his family.

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These are instances of nannies portrayed in film, but do they really count as 'famous'?

Quill 06:49, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Billie Whitelaw's Mrs. Baylock in The Omen.
 * Rebecca DeMornay's Peyton Flanders in The Hand That Rocks The Cradle.

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I removed this info that had been placed in the See Also section.

Nannies do not always make low salaries. Au pairs are live-in nannies who usually work a lot of hours (45-55) a week and have room, board and a small stipend. Professional nannies (especially when working through nanny agencies) typically earn $18 - $25 an hour and are paid time and a half for any overtime. They receive paid vacation, sick days and holidays and are usually rewarded with an end-of-year cash bonus. They often time are paid to vacation in exotic locales with their families and receive perks throughout the years like iPods, laptops, educational donations, Starbucks gift cards, etc. Some nannies for very rich or affluent clients earn an annual salary of up to $60,000. 71.31.150.58 02:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Au pairs are different from nannies, by law. See au pair. Revgraves (talk) 19:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Added headings
Without headings, this page is far too jumbled and visually overwhelming for readers. First attempt at this content organization was reverted, but this is a minor change that makes a big difference. Content was not changed. Marinolm 14:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)L
 * I reverted your first attempt because of the additional content added then. I think you're right about the headers making the article better.  I should have been more selective in my previous edit.  Sorry, and thanks for working to improve the article.  -- Siobhan Hansa 17:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Shouldnt' Maria von Trapp be on here?
I could have sworn she was hired as a nanny...though I guess she could have been as a governness, from the article, since it says "hired to teach...". But, as kids we always thought of her as a nanny in "The Sound of Music." (Which, I'll admit, Hollywood altered for dramatic effect, but still...)

Then again, what child is going to understand the difference? :-) I guess our parents figured it was just easiest to call any woman in charge of only one family's children a nanny. (And, maybe she is named as a nanny int he movie. Which gets confusing then :-)209.244.187.155 (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Childminder should have its own article.
I can't speak for the rest of the world, but in the UK childminding as a profession is legally vastly and quite crucially different from Nannying.

A Nanny take care of a child (or children) in their own home, and has all tax and NI contribution paid by their employer (i.e the parents). A Childminder is a self employed service provider who looks after a limited number of children in the childminders own home, and is registered with and inspected by Ofsted.

By law, childminders must be inspected and registered with Ofsted,but nannies don't have to be. Anyone can advertise and hire themselves out as a nanny, but a childminder can be prosecuted for working unregistered. There are no legal requirements covering how many children a nanny can care for, or what training they are required to have, but there are for childminders.

I think the differences are significant enough that there should be two articles, albeit closely linked.CYL (talk) 11:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Updated the Childminder Information for the UK
I have added the relevant information for childminders in the United Kingdom (I admit, mostly England as that is where I live and am registered!)

I really suggest that it deserves its own article as they are not the same job, and each have their own merits.

I have also made a few changes to the layout and content of the section on nanny's, mostly for better flow and ease of reading, as some of the language felt awkward. Surely there is more information than this available?

CYL (talk) 23:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Mother's Helper
"A special type of modern nanny is known as a mother's helper. They are hired to assist mothers in the chores of the household as well as care for the children." So what do you call it when a solo dad has one of these people? 121.73.7.84 (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

British Royal family
Added in the nanny of the children of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, and linked William and Harrys names to their respective pages, as they had not been linked before:) Hannek01 (talk) 20:32, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

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John Bach McMaster

John Bach McMaster (June 29, 1852 – May 24, 1932) was an American historian.

McMaster was born in Brooklyn, New York. His father, a native of New York, was a banker and planter at New Orleans at the beginning of the Civil War. He graduated from the College of the City of New York in 1872, worked as a civil engineer in 1873–1877, was instructor in civil engineering at Princeton University in 1877–1883, and in 1883 became professor of American history in the University of Pennsylvania. McMaster was elected a member of the American Antiquarian Society in 1884. McMaster was the second president of The Franklin Inn Club, serving from 1914 to 1930.

McMaster is best known for his History of the People of the United States from the Revolution to the Civil War (1883 sqq.), a valuable supplement to the more purely political writings of James Schouler, Von Holst and Henry Adams. He began working on it in 1873, having collected material since 1870. His A School History of the United States (1897) was an extremely popular textbook for many years. Besides these books and numerous magazine articles, he published Benjamin Franklin as a Man of Letters in the "Men of Letters" series (Boston, 1887). His historical work differed from standard practice in that it departed from an exclusively political focus to delve into social history and the lives of ordinary people and also in its use of news papers as sources.

In 1884, he was elected as a member of the American Philosophical Society.

Works

 * John Bach McMaster, Bridge and Tunnel Centres, 1875.
 * John Bach McMaster, History of the People of the United States from the Revolution to the Civil War (8 volumes), 1883-.
 * John Bach McMaster, Benjamin Franklin as a Man of Letters, 1887.
 * John Bach McMaster, Outline of the Lectures of the Constitutional History of the United States, 1789–1889, 1889.
 * John Bach McMaster, With the Fathers: Studies in the History of the United States, 1896.
 * John Bach McMaster, The Origin, Meaning and Application of the Monroe Doctrine, 1896.
 * John Bach McMaster, The University of Pennsylvania Illustrated, 1897.
 * John Bach McMaster, A School History of the United States, 1897.
 * John Bach McMaster, A Primary History of the United States, 1901.
 * John Bach McMaster, History of the Expedition under the Command of Captains Lewis and Clarke (3 volumes), 1902-.
 * John Fiske (1842–1901), John Bach McMaster (1852–1932), and John Henry Wright (1852–1908), Modern Development of the New World, 1902.
 * John Bach McMaster, The Acquisition of Political, Social, and Industrial Rights of Man in America, 1903.
 * John Bach McMaster, A Brief History of the United States, 1909.
 * John Bach McMaster, The Life and Times of Stephen Girard, Mariner and Merchant, 1918.
 * John Bach McMaster, The United States in the World War (3 volumes), 1918–1920.

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Allen Adler

Allen Adler (December 25, 1916 – January 30, 1964) was an American author who was also involved with theater. With Irving Block he wrote the story for the screenplay for the movie Forbidden Planet, based on Shakespeare's The Tempest, but during the Second Red Scare of the 1950s he was blacklisted from the movie industry.

Biography
Adler was the son of Abe Adler (a stage manager) who was the son of Yiddish theater actor Jacob Adler by his first wife Sonya ("Sophia") Adler. Per the biography on the back jacket of Adler's novel Mach 1, "He majored in English at New York University, wrote publicity for Robert Ripley of 'Believe It Or Not,', owned a New York theatre at twenty-one, presented touring opera companies, served in the air force in World War II in the Fifth Air Force, Far Eastern Air Force and Thirteenth Bomber Command. He produced a revival of Front Page, has written both original stories and screenplays for the motion pictures."

In addition to Forbidden Planet, Adler has a story credit for the movie The Giant Behemoth (1959).

The New York Times of February 1, 1964, includes Adler's obituary, giving the date of his death as January 30, 1964. It says he was born in New York, the son of Adolf Adler, Yiddish theater manager and owner. He was survived by his widow, the former Mary MacNamara, and two daughters, Pamela and Allison Jo.

Works

 * Mach 1: A Story of Planet Ionus (1957)

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List of teams and organizations in DC Comics

 * Parent article: List of DC Comics characters

This is a list of teams and organizations that appear in various DC Comics publications.

Note: Please check Category:DC Comics superhero teams before adding any redundant entries for superhero teams to the page.

Academy of Arch-Villains
The Academy of Arch-Villains was a gathering of Wonder Woman villains Angle Man, Human Fireworks, and Mouse Man.

Agony and Ecstasy
Agony and Ecstasy are a duo of enforcers of Hell.

Alien Alliance
There are two versions of the Alien Alliance:

Alliance
Competalian rebels from JLA: Haven.

Allied Supermen of America
The Allied Supermen of America team was created as an homage to the Golden Age Justice Society of America and the Silver Age Justice League. The team was created by Alan Moore and included characters created by Rob Liefeld and Erik Larsen. It was introduced in Supreme #14.

Amazon Nation
The Amazon Nation are a hidden female tribe. First appearance: (historic) All-Star Comics #8 (Winter 1941); (current) Wonder Woman (vol. 2) #1 (February 1987).

A.P.E.
Short for Allied Perpetrators of Evil, A.P.E. is a supervillain group in The New Adventures of Superman. First appearing in "The Men from A.P.E.", the line-up consists of Lex Luthor, Toyman, Prankster, and Warlock. In "A.P.E. Strikes Back", Lex Luthor and Warlock get back together as A.P.E. with Brainiac as its new member.

A.P.E.S.
Short for All-Purpose Enforcement Squad.

Argent
Argent is a 1950s domestic secret agent team. First appearance: Secret Origins (vol. 3) #14 (May 1987).

Awesome Threesome
The Awesome Threesome are a trio of robots that have antagonized Aquaman. They consist of Claw, Magneto, and Torpedo Man.

Awesome Threesome in other media
The Awesome Threesome appear in The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure.

B.I.O.N.
Short for Biologically Integrated Organic Network.

CAELOSS
CAELOSS is short for The Citizen's Army for the Economic Liberation of Suicide Slum.

C.E.M.A.
C.E.M.A. is short for Cosmic Emergency Management Agency.

Children of Cronus
The Children of Cronus are a group of Titans that were responsible for empowering Devastation.

Club of Heroes
See Batmen of All Nations

Demons Three
The Demons Three are three demonic brothers consisting of Abnegazar, Ghast, and Rath. They ruled Earth one billion years prior before being banished by the Timeless Ones, though they have occasionally escaped using Felix Faust's power. Their powers are bound to three mystic artifacts: the Green Bell of Uthool, the Silver Wheel of Nyorlath, and the Red Jar of Calythos.

Demons Three in other media
The Demons Three appear in The Batman Strikes! #50. This version of the group were previously allies of Etrigan centuries prior before attempting to lead a rebellion in Hell and being imprisoned in a magic box.

The Demons Three appear in the Justice League Unlimited episode "The Balance", with Abnegazar voiced by Wayne Knight while Ghast and Rath have no dialogue.

The Demons Three appear in Justice League Action, with Abnegazar voiced by Damian O'Hare and Rath by Jason J. Lewis while Ghast has no dialogue. This version of the group are members of the Brothers Djinn alongside series-original characters Calythos (voiced by David Lodge), Uthool (voiced by Diedrich Bader), and Nyorlath (voiced by Chris Diamantopoulos). Additionally, Ghast appears in the episode "Hat Trick", depicted as a kaiju-like demon that Felix Faust summons to regain his youth.

The Demons Three appear in Justice League Dark, with Abnegazar voiced by JB Blanc, Rath by Jeffrey Vincent Parise, and Ghast by Fred Tatasciore.

Digitronix Corporation
Digitronix Corporation is a company in The Hacker Files.

Euroguard
Euroguard is a temporary band in Europe created by the JLE and led by Power Girl.

Everyman Project
The Everyman Project was created by Lex Luthor to grant a group of people identities and powers and become part of his incarnation of Infinity, Inc. Recent appearance in 52 #24 (October 18, 2006).

Excalibur Crew
The Excalibur Crew was the shuttle crew that Hank Henshaw was a part of.

Gunner and Sarge
Gunner and Sarge are World War II US Marines. First appearance: Our Fighting Forces #45 (May 1958).

The Hand
The Hand is a gang featured in Legionnaires #1 (April 1993).

Hand of Krona
The Hand of Krona is an interstellar technology cult.

Hunter's Hellcats
Hunter's Hellcats are a World War II commando unit. First appearance: Our Fighting Forces #106 (April 1967).

Hyperclan
The Hyperclan is a White Martian Vanguard.

IMHS
The IMHS is short for the Institute of Metahuman Studies.

International Club of Heroes
See Batmen of All Nations

Just'a Lotta Animals
See Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew!

Justice League Antarctica
See Injustice League

Justice Society Dark
In the pages of "The New Golden Age", the Justice Society Dark is mentioned to be a team that Doctor Fate enlisted to help find a way to free Salem the Witch Girl from the Limbo Town curse and to find her when she one day vanished without a trace.

The Thaddeus Brown version of Mister Miracle is a known member while Zatara and Diamond Jack are mentioned to be part of this group. In 1941, Doctor Fate and Salem the Witch Girl come across Mister Miracle fighting Solomon Grundy. After he is chained up, Mister Miracle suggests to Doctor Fate and Salem the Witch Girl that they should go apprehend Bride of Grundy.

Justifiers
There are two different groups called Justifiers:

Justifiers I
See Champions of Angor.

Labrats
The Labrats are genetically altered teenage heroes. First appearance: Labrats #1 (April 2002).

Madmen
The Madmen are a team of villains in the DC Comics universe. They were originally owned by Charlton Comics, but DC later acquired the rights to the characters.The Madmen first appeared in Blue Beetle #3 (1967) and were created by Steve Ditko and David Glanzman.

Looking to make money, Farley Fleeter transformed his gang into a group of supervillains. The gang donned wigs, face paint, and multicolored costumes and started robbing banks. This brought them to the attention of Blue Beetle.

During the fight, the Madmen gained control of Beetle's gun but could not figure out how to use it. The public did not know what powers the gun possessed; the Madmen took advantage of this to enhance their crimes. Blue Beetle eventually regained his gun (only containing a strobe light) and apprehended the Madmen. After serving their sentences, the Madmen retired until they were paid to attack Kord Industries by Doctor Alchemy. Once again they were jailed.

The Madmen became a more persistent annoyance to Blue Beetle. They returned to face him time and again but were defeated after each attempt. Fleeter, however, was not discouraged. Taking a job at Georgetown University to steal drugs, he was involved in an accident that gave him the power to mentally control anyone he touched. He used this power to create an army of Madmen, but was defeated in a confrontation with Hawk and Dove and sent to Belle Reve prison.

Sometime later, Fleeter was incarcerated at Arkham Asylum and was a victim of the Joker's venom. He caused problems in Gotham City until he was captured by the Beetle and Robin.

During the Infinite Crisis, the Madmen were invited to join Alexander Luthor Jr.'s Secret Society of Super Villains. Their first assignment was to attack Blue Beetle. Though they failed, their actions led to his death at the hands of Maxwell Lord. Next, they were given guard duty and were attacked by the Secret Six. During the Battle of Metropolis the Madmen were gunned down by Wild Dog, Crimson Avenger, and Vigilante.

One Year Later, some of the Madmen apparently survived the battle. They attacked Wonder Woman and Manhunter after Everyman appeared disguised as Blue Beetle. After attacking the trio, the Madmen dispersed.

They later appeared as part of a group of villains attempting to defeat the new Blue Beetle, Jaime Reyes. After suffering a blast from one of Jaime's weapons, the group beat a hasty retreat.

Madmen in other media

 * The Madmen (referred to as the Madniks) appear in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode "Menace of the Madniks!", voiced by Dee Bradley Baker.
 * The Madmen appear as character summons in Scribblenauts Unmasked: A DC Comics Adventure.

 * The Madmen appear in Justice League Unlimited #10.

Menagerie
In September 2011, The New 52 rebooted DC's continuity. In this new timeline during the "Forever Evil" storyline, the Menagerie is a group led by Cheetah. The group consists of Elephant Man, Hellhound, Lion-Mane IV, Mäuschen, Primape, and Zebra-Man. Steve Trevor and Killer Frost fight them in order to claim Wonder Woman's lasso, which is needed to save the trapped Justice League members from the Firestorm matrix. While Steve Trevor manages to defeat Cheetah, the rest of the Menagerie are frozen by Killer Frost.

Meta-Militia
See Champions of Angor

Metallik
See Team Titans

Millennium Giants
The Millennium Giants are guardians of the balance of the Ley Lines. First appearance: The Man of Steel #78 (April 1998).

Minute Men of America
The Minute Men of America are radio operators who are allies of Hourman. Its known members are Jimmy Martin and Thorndyke Thompkins.

Misfits
The Misfits are a group of under-rated Batman villains. First appearance: Shadow of the Bat #7 (December 1992).

Morrigan
The Morrigan are three war goddesses with plans to eliminate the Amazons.

Mud Pack
Before the debut appearances of the fifth and sixth Clayfaces, Clayface III (Preston Payne) and Clayface IV (Sondra Fuller) team up, breaking Clayface I (Basil Karlo) out of prison. Clayface I also futilely tries to revive Clayface II (Matt Hagen). Together, the trio form the Mud Pack with Clayface II being made a post-mortem member of the group. Karlo/Clayface I later gains the others' powers by injecting himself with extracts of blood samples from Clayface III and IV, becoming the "Ultimate Clayface". Clayface I is defeated by Batman and Looker and Clayface III and IV escape.

New Blackhawk Air Corps
See Blackhawk (DC Comics)

New Extremists
See Extremists (comics)

Old Justice
Old Justice is a superhero group appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.

Old Justice was formed when TNT's sidekick Dan the Dyna-Mite, Neptune Perkins, Green Lantern's sidekick Doiby Dickles, Sylvester Pemberton's adoptive sister Merry Pemberton, Minute Men of America member Thorndyke Thompkins, and Red Tornado's sidekicks the Cyclone Kids came together.

O.S.O.
O.S.O. is short for Office of Special Operations.

Parliament of Decay
The Parliament of Decay are a group that is associated with the Black, which is in turn associated with death.

Parliament of Flames
The Parliament of Flames are a group of fire elementals that reside in the Burn and is associated with an unidentified force which is in turn associated with fire.

Parliament of Limbs
The Parliament of Limbs are a group that is associated with the Red, which is in turn associated with the life force of all of Earth's animal life.

Parliament of Stone
The Parliament of Stone are a group of Earth elementals that reside in the Melt, which is in turn associated with all types of minerals.

Parliament of Trees
The Parliament of Trees are a group of plant elementals that reside in the Green, which is in turn associated with the life force of all of Earth's plant life.

Parliament of Vapours
The Parliament of Vapours are a group of air elementals that reside in the White, which is in turn associated with air.

Parliament of Waves
The Parliament of Waves are a group that reside in the Clear, which is in turn associated with the life force of all of Earth's aquatic life.

People's Heroes
People's Heroes is the name of two fictional organizations appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.

People's Heroes I
The People's Heroes are a group of Russian agents that consists of Bolshoi, Molotov, Pravda, and Hammer & Sickle.

People's Heroes II
In the "Watchmen" sequel "Doomsday Clock", the People's Heroes are Russia's sanctioned superhero team led by Pozhar and consisting of Black Eagle, Firebird, Lady Flash, Morozko, Negative Woman, Perun, Red Star, Rusalka, Snow Owl, Steel Wolf, Tundra, Vikhor, and Vostok-X II.

Planeteers
The Planeteers are a 22nd-century space police force that Tommy Tomorrow is a member of.

Point Men
The Point Men are foes of Young Justice.

Project Cadmus
Project Cadmus is a genetic engineering project in the DC Comics universe. Its notable creations include the Golden Guardian and Auron (clones of the original Guardian), Superboy (Kon-El) (a binary clone made from the DNA of Superman and Lex Luthor), and Dubbilex and his fellow DNAliens. Its 31st-century descendants run the Justice League 3000 clone project.

Psyba-Rats
The Psyba-Rats are superpowered teenage hackers.

Pyre
The Pyre are unrevealed villains made up of fire in the Martian Manhunter comics.

Quorum
The Quorum is a rogue American agency.

Red Shadows
The Red Shadows are Russia's answer for the Suicide Squad.

Robot Renegades
The Robot Renegades are a robotic team appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.

Seeking the supremacy of machines over humans, they first appeared as a team in Metal Men (vol. 3) #2 (2007). The group consists of U.N.I.O.N., Warbox, Body X, L-Ron, and Manhunter Lud of the Manhunters. In Metal Men (vol. 3) #3, they would assist Will Magnus in defeating the Death Metal Men, although purely for their own reasons.

Science Squad
The Science Squad is the name of different groups appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.

Science Squad I
The first Science Squad are a group of fictional scientists and mad scientists in the DC Comics Universe. The group was created by writer Grant Morrison who stated: "I love writing cowardly, petulant, irascible supervillains much more than I enjoy writing truly evil ones, so this whole plot strand was a joy from beginning to end". The members of the team are Veronica Cale, Doctor Death, Doctor Sivana, I.Q., Will Magnus, T.O. Morrow, Komrade Krabb, Doctor Tyme, and Robby Reed enemies Doctor Cyclops, Baron Bug, and Dr. Rigoro Mortis. They are commanded by Egg Fu. They are featured prominently throughout the series, particularly in Week 46.

Science Squad II
In the pages of "Dark Nights: Metal", a new Science Squad was formed during the invasion of Barbatos. It consists of Doctor Sivana, Egg Fu, Professor Ivo, T.O. Morrow, Veronica Cale, and Will Magnus.

S.C.Y.T.H.E.
S.C.Y.T.H.E. is a terrorist organization from the fictional European country of Lugwainia.

Sex Men
The Sex Men are bizarre secret agents that investigate areas contaminated by bizarre occurrences. They consist of Cuddle, Kiss, and Torture.

Sex Men in other media
The Sex Men appear in the Doom Patrol episode "Sex Patrol", with Cuddle portrayed by Michael Shenefelt, Kiss portrayed by Michael Tourek, and Torture portrayed by Tracey Bonner.

Sivana Industries
Sivana Industries is a company that is owned by Doctor Sivana.

Sivana Industries in other media
Sivana Industries appears in Shazam!. This version is run by Thaddeus Sivana's unnamed father.

Society of Sin
See Brotherhood of Evil.

Sons of Batman
The Sons of Batman are an offshoot of the Mutants that became followers of Batman.

The Sons of Batman were also featured in Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #21-23 (August – October 1991).

Sons of Batman in other media
The Sons of Batman appear in Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, with one of its members voiced by Yuri Lowenthal.

Sons of Liberty
The Sons of Liberty are a top secret government organization that has Agent Liberty as their special operative. Other known members are Paul Devlin, Charles Holcraft, Jay Harriman, Ronald Kramer, Reese, and Sanchez.

Sons of Liberty in other media
The Sons of Liberty, renamed "Children of Liberty", appear in Supergirl. This version of the group target alien residents of National City.

Space Canine Patrol Agents
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The Space Canine Patrol Agents (SCPA) is a group of fictional anthropomorphic extraterrestrial canine superheroes that appeared in stories published by DC Comics.

The SCPA first appeared in Superboy (volume 1) #131 (July 1966). Several of the dogs were given alliterative names which also described their powers: i.e. Paws Pooch was able to increase its number of limbs, Prophetic Pup could predict the future using his "crystal ball cranium", Tail Terrier had an elastic tail, etc.

They are presumed to have been wiped out of existence after the Crisis on Infinite Earths. They have appeared once in a superhero limbo in Grant Morrison's Animal Man "Monkey Puzzles", where characters that have been written out of continuity reside. While visiting here, Merryman of Inferior Five stated to Animal Man that even if some of these characters may be brought back, times have changed where the Space Canine Patrol Agents (as some of the other animals) will not likely return.

However Krypto's status as the El family dog from Krypton has been restored and The Sandman: Overture issue #3 included a cameo appearance of the "Space Canine Patrol Corps".

Membership
The Space Canine Patrol Agents roster has included:

 * Tail Terrier: Has an elastic tail that can be used as a rope. "Top Dog" of the SCPA.
 * Mammoth Mutt: Can inflate to many times his size. Died in his first appearance.
 * Hot Dog: Pyrokinetic
 * Tusky Husky: Can turn one of his canine teeth into a long tusk, which is used as a lever.
 * Bull Dog: Can grow horns.
 * Paw Pooch: Can grow additional limbs.
 * Chameleon Collie: Shapeshifter
 * Prophetic Pup: Clairvoyant
 * Krypto: Similar powers to Superman.
 * Mammoth Miss: Mammoth Mutt's girlfriend, with the same powers.
 * Beam Beagle: Possessed "searchlight eyes". Died in the line of duty.
 * Rex the Wonder Dog: Similar powers and appearance in fur colour to Krypto but is an earth white shepherd dog from U.S. Army's K-9 Corps instead.
 * Pooch: Rex's brother who is also from the U.S. Army's K-9 Corps.
 * Streak the Wonder Dog: Alan Scott's pet dog.
 * Wonder Dog: The pet of Marvin and Wendy Kuttler who are members of the Teen Titans.
 * Streaky the Supercat: Similar powers to Superman. Streaky is the first cat to be a member of the team.

Space Canine Patrol Agents in other media
A group inspired by the Space Canine Patrol called the Dog Star Patrol appears in Krypto the Superdog, led by series original character Brainy Barker (voiced by Ellen Kennedy), who has psionic powers, and consists of Tail Terrier (voiced by Peter Kelamis), a female incarnation of Mammoth Mutt (voiced by Kelly Sheridan), Hot Dog (voiced by Trevor Devall), Tusky Husky (voiced by Terry Klassen), Bull Dog (voiced by Michael Dobson), and Paw Pooch (voiced by Dale Wilson). This version of the group are non-anthropomorphic alien canines. Additionally, Krypto, Streaky the Supercat, and Ace the Bat-Hound become members later in the series while new recruit Drooly (voiced by Ty Olsson), who can create streams of saliva and use it as projectiles and rope, and reserve member Stretch-o-Mutt (voiced by Lee Tockar), who possesses ball-like elasticity and the ability to contort his body into whatever he desires, also make minor appearances.-->

Star Sapphires
The Star Sapphires is a fictional organization appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics, they are one of the seven Corps empowered by a specific color of the emotional spectrum within the DC Universe. Though their roots can be traced back to the earliest appearances of the Star Sapphire queens, they have entered into a significant plot role as part of the 2009–2010 Blackest Night crossover event. First formed by the Zamarons at the conclusion of the Mystery of the Star Sapphire storyline running in Green Lantern (vol. 4) issues #18–20 (May–July 2007), their abilities come from violet power rings which wield the power of love. Initially the members of the Star Sapphires were only depicted as being females; during the Blackest Night panel at Comic Con International 2009, Geoff Johns explained that "anyone can join, but most men are not worthy". More recently male recruits were shown among the Star Sapphires when Wonder Woman visited their home planet.

Task Force X
See Suicide Squad

Time Masters
The Time Masters are a fictional organization appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.

Time Masters in other media
The Time Masters appear in Legends of Tomorrow.

Untouchables
In Batman Beyond, the Untouchables are a group of people with severely compromised immune systems and so cannot come into contact with the outside world except through protective iso suits

Yakuza
DC Comics has their versions of the yakuza in their different comic series.

Yellow Lantern Corps
See Sinestro Corps


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Talk:CompuServe

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H&R Block bought CompuServe in 1986 (not 1980 as stated). This is public record, and I worked for CompuServe then & know firsthand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.171.218 (talk) 19:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * In 1984 the NYTimes published "the company was acquired in May 1980." - 1986 is misinformation. Pi314m (talk) 03:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

There are two paragraphs discussing Tymnet and Telenet. I'm not sure which is really true or more accurate, but they need to be combined --Weyoun6 07:00, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Anyone want to volunteer to put up some screenshots? --ralmin 23:16, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's kind of scary that some of the text was a copyvio from which had been sitting here, unnoticed, since August 2002. —David Wahler (talk)  20:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Your link leads to a 404, but the stuff you rewrote seemed pretty innocuous to me, just PR-speak for some straightforward facts; I don't think copyvio would really be much of a concern. Regardless of that, your wording is better. - DavidWBrooks 21:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Sprynet, Unlimited Pricing
For what it's worth, CompuServe started their unlimited internet plan before AOL. CSI acquired Spry in 1995, and on August 1, 1996, launched SpryNet, which was just dialup without any of the added services, but at an unlimited price. CompuServe's WOW product (a MS Bob-like interface to CompuServe) also offered all-you-can-eat-pricing. AOL followed a few months later. SpryNet never really caught on though, and WOW was a fairly bad idea, and you know the rest of the story.

I worked for Spry around the time of the SpryNet launch, so I'll try to see what I can add when I have more time. --Jkonrath 23:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Why Sprynet never really caught on, Jkonrath? Humble2000 19:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I will have to ring in on this as well.. I cut my baby internet teeth on AOL for about a month in April 1996 and at that time, AOL was still charging hourly rates. After a large credit card billing from AOL, I installed the WOW software distinctly because it was offering $16.95 a month for unlimited hours. After being on WOW until it closed a few months later, it was only then that I recall AOL going to flat fee billing which would have been around the beginning of 1997. After the demise of WOW, I signed on with Sprynet and was there for several years and it was bought out several times; last I knew it was operated by Earthlink. And yes, the WOW operation was rife with bugs, hangups and freezes but for some reason I still think fondly of it. Just look at me now! --Brad 14:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

What is GAMEY?
I saw a ref to GAMEY get added and then deleted, so I thought I'd explain it here. GAMEY stands for Google, AOL, Microsoft, eBay, and Yahoo!, who are the top companies with the resources to buy up their smaller competitors. I don't think it's right to mention GAMEY, given that the AOL buyout of CSI happened when two or three of these companies didn't even exist, let alone were buying up others. --Jkonrath 20:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

CB Inventor
I saw this removed from a previous edit, but Sandy Trevor did invent CompuServe's CB function. Take a look at his bio at http://nuvocom.com/nuvo_bak.htm or just go to CB Simulator, where it's also mentioned. --Jkonrath 18:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Now that I have good references for it I readded his credit and enhanced it a bit for people not familiar with that CompuServe services. --rbanzai 23 May 2006

Early and later CompuServe user interfaces
This article could do a better job discussing the text-based user interface that was standard for CompuServe in the 1980's, prior to the development of it's CompuServe Information Manager GUI interface. I would imagine their are a significant number of computer users these days who don't realize that early online services did not have an GUI-based interface. Also the article should point out that because CompuServe used a text-based shell interface it allowed for anyone with a basic terminal communications program to access the service, unlike AOL with it's proprietary GUI-based Access program. Also their should be a mention of CompuServe's later introduction their GUI interface program known as CompuServe Information Manager that provided a limited graphical interface for users of DOS, Windows 3.1 and Mac OS. --Cab88 23:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * FYI, I added these a while back, including WinCIM. David Spalding ( ☎ ✉ ✍  ) 13:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

CIS and CNS
Please don't delete the comments about what happened to CompuServe Network Services post 1998. If this article is to be a history of CompuServe, then it should recognize that CompuServe ended its life in two major businesses, CIS and CNS. The company was split in half, with CIS going to AOL and CNS staying with WCOM.

The trademark 'CompuServe' and several other pieces of intellectual property are owned by a third company that exists solely to hold title to these assets. The successors to AOL (AOL Time Warner) and WCOM (Verizon) are the owners of this holding company. It is therefore permissable for Verizon to use the trademark 'CompuServe' as long as it is not being applied to anything that could be construed as an 'information service.' The point is that everything 'CompuServe' is not the exclusive property of either AOL or WCOM. Some of the DNA of what CompuServe was exists in both AOL and Verizon today.

I know these details because: a) I worked for CompuServe for nearly 30 years, retiring as CTO and VP/Network Operations, and know every person cited in this article; and, b) I was the CompuServe officer (at this point a WCOM VP) designated to negotiate the final details of asset ownership and services agreements between AOL and WCOM. I drafted much of language used to describe these arrangements, and was present in the room when Miles Gilburn or AOL and John Sidgmore of WCOM signed the agreements.

If you want to discuss any of this, please feel free to contact me at phlambert@msn.com

Does it have to be soooooo boring?
There must be something we can do to capture better the popularity of CompuServe in its earlier days and talk more prominently about what features it had that continued to be popular as AOL started coming on strong. I was an early AOLer and know that CS continued to be recommended highly by friends for good reasons. Frankly, I don't remember what they were -- and the article presently doesn't tell me. Basically, the "culture" of CS seems to be lacking in this article.

One thing the article may need is some kind of spin-off of some of the more technical aspects. I'm not a dumb person, and for a layperson, have a pretty good grasp of technical detail. However, the early paragraphs spend an awful lot of time on incredibly technical details and the exact succession of people. It's not that I'm unaware that such details are interesting to a group of folks, but I think it's a smaller group than someone here believes.

I know that CompuServe in the early 1990s had some kind of channels or groups or forums, and the people involved were extremely devoted to them and derived great benefit. I don't pick up much of that in the article as it stands. Please, please let's all hunt for an appropriate editor to perk this up, as I think the company deserves an interesting read. Lawikitejana 03:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The appeal for me as a teenage baseball fan in the late 80's was mainly participating in fantasy baseball. I recall a flight controller simulation game that I couldn't figure out, as well. I don't remember much else about it except my username and password.

 * First off, please sign your name to your comments with the ~ code, okay? This also time-stamps your comment so we know when you posted. 'Nuff said? "Soooo boring" is a matter of opinion. Be that as it may, I was a CompuServer user and MUSICA forum sysop from 1991 or so until I finally cancelled in the late nineties. Yes, I can speak to the forums ... the software they released ... ways to navigate ... even comparing the service to the fledgling BBS community (with forum software, it was like a network of BBSs). In the 1990s, CIS also instituted early gateways to the Internet (USENET, FTP, GOPHER, et al) before AOL even had a Windows version (AOL was orignally DOS via a GeoWorks OS runtime, as I recall; it was way better than their Windows kluges). I remember that when AOL opened their Internet gateway, USENET and other areas were flooded with noobs. CIS had a much higher learning curve on its gateways, so -- like The Well -- Internet use by CIS'ers was more mature and professional. CIS predated Prodigy, GEnie, AOL, too.  So,... if you're looking for someone to visit here regularly and try to "add some spice," I'm available. Feel free to post on my Talk page specifics about what you think is needed and I'll try to address it as best I can. ;) David Spalding Talk, Contribs 16:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I, personally, don't find the techie-talk in the article boring, but I do see the previous editor's point about the broader appeal and impact of CompuServe being somewhat lost amid all the explanation of the technical nuts & bolts. Most of the article is piled under the header of History, which doesn't help. I'll see if I can find some suitable sources from which to draw some more interesting information. Xenophrenic (talk) 01:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Ownership
Apprently UK fuel card company (Croft Fuels) & parent company (C H Jones t/a Keyfuels) apparently own, or at least part-own Compuserve. If you look on the following link, CS are registered in the same small UK town as CH Jones, but I can't find any hard proof to put on here.

Also, a US fuel company called Fleetcor purchased CHJ back in Sept 2006, but I can't find any supportive evidence re: this. Apart from this:

Any more info? -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leopheard (talk • contribs)

About the Downfall of CompuServe
In the article it is said to be because of AOL's pricing policy. But how did CompuServe allow this to happen over the years? It could have noticed the massive loss of customers because of this and have done something. What prevented them from matching AOL's pricing strategy? Maybe they were just less efficient and couldn't?

Also, it says CompuServe adopted WWW early but then says with CompuServe WWW is not generally available like with AOL. This probably have contributed to its downfall. Can someone expand a little bit? ---Humble2000 08:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think AOL killed CIS. Really, AOL was just the supermarket checkout "impulse item" to millions of newbies, offering access to its own internal content and features, which grew exponentially due to notariety. Also because circa 1997 - 2000, the Internet and WWW took over, ISPs became the new hot way to "get online," and monolithic services like CIS and GEnie and Fraudigy and AOL couldn't keep up. AOL did by advertising itself as an ISP (which, only in a rudimentary way, it was). I can't recall if CIS did, as well, but I left as they were starting to turn CIS into a Web site, which in my view just didn't make sense.

 * Yes, surely AOL hit it's stride and starting growing like Jabba the Hut post-1994, but CIS lost momentum due to other reasons. And when I left, the management was not capitalizing on CIS' strengths, but trying to morph the system into a Web entity. This is all my own opinion, of course. Bottom line, I'm hesitant to put conjecture and opinion into the Compuserve article. --David Spalding Talk / Contribs 13:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Aa a side note, at the time of the rising popularity of AOL, CompuServe tried to counter with a massively poor attempt at a competing product called WOW. As a final act of driving the company into the ground, H&R Block removed the executives that built CompuServe in favor of those who engineered the WOW disaster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2007 199.64.0.252 (talk • contribs) 15:49, January 12,

 * I remember that ... (groan). It was sillier IMHO than the AOL advertainment. David Spalding ( ☎ ✉ ✍  ) 13:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

CompuServe never understood the value of its content. The real power of the service lay in the well-moderated forums. AOL didn't have the same quality. Business users were willing to py a premium for that, but CompuServe decided to chase the consumer dollar and lost. Another great service (and a huge money maker) was the Executive News Service (ENS). This service allowed the user to create keyword folders that pulled matching stories off the newswire (can you say Google Alerts?). Sigh. This is what happens when you let Marketers take over. P.S. I worked there until just before the AOL buyout. I left because I couldn't stand to watch it die even though I missed out on the promise of buyout. --71.72.98.220 23:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

CompuServe 2000
The current article just mentions CompuServe 2000 in passing. There needs to be some text that describes the origin of CompuServe 2000. I was a CompuServe user in the mid-1990's, and as I recall, it was an AOL-like alternative to WinCIM that was marketed as an "upgrade" to WinCIM after AOL acquired CompuServe. However, IIRC, Classic CompuServe users who unwittingly chose to install it found that their user account and mail service were switched from CompuServe to AOL. And, I think, their dial-up network changed from the CompuServe network to the AOL network. Does anyone have the facts? Wdfarmer 20:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't, that was after I'd canceled, but I DO remember that AOL install discs about that time ("AOL version 7" ?) were notorious for changing Windows 95 and 98 networking (dialup settings) setup. Without warning. Causing a lot of users much grief. (It was also infamously difficult to cancel their service, but that's another tale.) I worked at a firm where I urged the IT team to alert all associates about it as if it were a Trojan. If you search CNET or ZDnet columnists, I'm sure you'd find teh articles in which they were talking about it. Dvorak wrote about it, too, probably. - David Spalding ( ☎ ✉ ✍  ) 13:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Compuserve and Windows Vista
The article makes it appear as if Compuserve is incompatible with Windows Vista; however, I came upon the following from Compuserve's official website today: CompuServe for Windows 98 / ME / XP / Vista CompuServe Dialer, which suggests that they are somehow supporting Vista. Can someone verify this point or elaborate on it in the article? Thanks! --24.154.173.243 22:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Closure of services
Have just added the (sad) news that CompuServe has closed its Pacific network and will be closing France...

91.171.192.207 09:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

WOW!
The section on WOW! really needs to be re-written. It starts out OK as far as describing the service but ends up in a discussion of H&R Block's machinations within Compuserve that do not really have that much to do with WOW! and should be put elswewhere. I was a WOW! subscriber and can attest to the fact that the service was extremely buggy,. especially the email. There were frequent shutdowns. It was diferent because of its very bright colored, seemingly hand-drawn pages family-friendly content. However.. it is not mentioned in the article that WOW! was the FIRST internet service to be offered with a monthly "unlimited" rate ($17.95) and that it had a small but VERY loyal fan base that believed they were "sold out" by Compuserve because they were being bought out by AOL, who mysteriously began offering a $19.95 unlimited service as it was cutting WOW!'s throat. There was a strong group of "WOWIES" who fought for 5 years after its demise, to stay connected through chat groups (on AOL for instance) and a web ring. Sadly, they seem to have all been consumed in the corporate greed of AOL/Time Warner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.96.106.130 (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

First to offer Internet connectivity?
This section:

 * CompuServe was the first online service to offer Internet connectivity, albeit limited access, as early as 1989 when it connected its proprietary e-mail service to allow incoming and outgoing messages to other Internet e-mail addresses.

appears to be in contradiction with this statement over on the CIX article:

 * In 1988 [CIX] provided the first commercial Internet email and Usenet access in the UK.

which suggests that CIX was a year earlier. Does anyone have a reliable source for either statement?

I was a member of both CIX and CIS and thinking about this further, I don't remember exactly when I joined but I do know that it was no earlier than April 1991, and that CIS internet email connectivity was not available when I joined. I can remember it going live while I was a member, which would put CIS's internet access date even later. Paypwip (talk) 14:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)(mff/lks)

 * I found a relevant reference in the internet article so I copied the reference to this article. I hope I did that correctly. Sam Tomato (talk) 20:05, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * So probably CompuServe just was not very good about telling us about technology. I remember them offering X.25 but I did not know what it was good for and could not get it to work. Sam Tomato (talk) 20:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

It would help know when they first provided FTP access. As beast as I can tell, it was after email access and before HTTP/HTML access. Regardless of FTP access, it is most important to know when they provided HTTP/HTML access. Sam Tomato (talk) 19:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

User IDs and e-mail addresses
The article is incorrect in describing the allocation of user ID's as I was allocated a 6+3 digit 1xxxxx,xxx user ID in late 93 or early 94. 78.105.161.231 (talk) 09:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

How is Commodore not even mentioned once?
CompuServe took off after the VIC-20 and C64 took off for Commodore. They were putting CompuServe membership disks right into the boxes of their modems and even possibly computers, and the Commodore Information Network became the most popular section of CompuServe. After Commodore switched to partnering with Quantum-Link, CompuServe started to dry up. This is a big part of CompuServe's history that is totally missing. JettaMann (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * CompuServe partnered with many computer manufacturers, not just Commodore. For instance, they included CompuServe membership IDs with every TRS-80 system sold through Radio Shack, and even paid Radio Shack to keep demonstration systems running CIS in all of their stores. If you can find reliably sourced information, feel free to add it to the article. Xenophrenic (talk) 20:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
UK shopping centre is a product and should not have its own article. Athleek  123  18:43, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm the original author of that article and, yes, your're right, it belongs in the main CompuServe article. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khumzi (talk • contribs) 09:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Acronym
"CIS" isn't an acronym unless it's pronounced as "kiss" or "siss". If it's pronounced "SEE-EYE-ESS", then it's an abbreviation, strictly speaking, an initialism. I edited it but my edit was undone. MarkRae (talk) 22:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Acronyms are not required to be pronounceable as a single word unless you feel the need to be prescriptivist. See acronym. That said, people go both ways on it - "C-I-S" I've heard most commonly, with "sis" popping up less frequently. --Xanzzibar (talk) 22:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I disagree totally with you. Ho hum... MarkRae (talk) 23:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

ourworld.compuserve.com - A nice trip down memory lane
http://web.archive.org/web/19961020023945/http://ourworld.compuserve.com/ While I don't know whether it might be interesting to include this archive link in the article (I'm known to always ask around first before putting these in), I think it's a nice part of history that the 1996 version of OurWorld got preserved. :) Let alone that the design of that ancient logo somehow gives the impression of an anti-racist message embedded in there. ;) ("All people are equal, regardless of their ... etc.") -andy 2.243.99.192 (talk) 07:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

CompuServe Founder
I have attempted to correct this article from downplaying the role of Harry Gard Sr. as the founder and CEO of Compuserve, but it continues to be changed back. It also consistently refers to Wilkins as CEO. Wilkins was never CEO of CompuServe. Wilkins replaced Goltz as president only. I'm not sure where the information claiming otherwise has come from. The facts are easy to verify.

Here is a letter from Ellen Gard, daughter of Harry Gard Sr.: > It is very odd that Harry Gard, Sr. is consistently being under > represented. He was, and continued to be the founder, majority > stockholder and CEO of CompuServe until he sold the company to Henry > Bloch/ H&R Block. Whoever has made the changes has given an in depth > historical overview of the company, but seems determined to blur the > central facts. > > After the sale to H&R Block, a portrait of my father, Harry K. Gard, was > hung in the entryway with the title "Founder of CompuServe" and the > company held a salute to "our founder" attended by the employees and our > family. > > After CompuServe began, Harry Gard, Sr. gave his daughter's husband, > Jeffrey Wilkins, the opportunity to join the company. He had been > working in his own burglar alarm company in Arizona and he recruited > John Goltz and others from his Arizona alma mater to CompuServe. > Eventually Wilkins became president. Harry Gard, Sr. retained his > titled as CEO and was majority shareholder, until he sold the company. The above are all verifiable. Could somebody help correct this article? AngelTripp (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

 * If the above are verifiable, then please provide us with reliable sources we can verify this with. Wilkins's tenure as CEO can be verified in many places, from primary sources like [his LinkedIn profile to third party sources like Bloomberg. I can't find similar sources for Gard (though my search has not, admittedly, been exhaustive). --[[User:Xanzzibar|Xanzzibar]] (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Harry Gard Sr. was the sole founder of CompuServe and remained CEO during his entire tenure until CompuServe sold in 1984. Henry Bloch of H&R Block, is one source who can verify this information. When Harry Gard Sr. died in 1987, Wilkins started peppering the internet and media with statements that he was the CEO and co-founder of CompuServe. This simply is not true. Again, Wilkins was never CEO of CompuServe. All of the articles found on-line stating that Wilkins was a co-founder and CEO, when read carefully, originate from one source - statements made by Wilkins himself. Ohio State had stated that Wilkins was the CEO of CompuServe, but when it was brought to their attention that this was false, Ohio State University did their own investigation which resulted in the university changing their statements to conform to the facts as they found them through their investigation. Those facts confirmed that it was Harry Gard Sr. who was the the CEO of Compuserve. The university can verify this. AngelTripp (talk) 18:50, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Wilkins was never CEO? Alright, a quick search comes up with multiple reliable sources that say otherwise, including a contemporary publication, this book, this one, this book, and this 1984 magazine article. Do you have reliable sources to support your claim? And please read the link for reliable sources; "go ask Jim" is not a reliable source. By every reliable source I can find, Wilkins was most certainly one of its CEO.--Xanzzibar (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Please note that at least 97% of the articles found on the internet use the Wikipedia article here on this site as their source of information, ver betum. This means this site and article hold a huge responsibility to get the facts correct from direct sources, not solely online articles.

I am waiting for a response to my direct contact with the company itself. Furthermore, I will contact the university myself. I am also researching the actual corporate filings over the years in question. When I have these, I will present them to you.

In the meantime, If you need links to online articles for verification or at the very least to show that Wilkins is not the self proclaimed godfather of Compuserve, here are a few:

"Columbus insurance man Harry Gard started the company 28 years ago as a way to use excess space for the $1 million mainframe computer he bought to handle his company's data processing needs." "In 1979, CompuServe became the first online provider, ending the year with 1,200 customers. A year later, Gard sold the company to H&R Block for $22 million." (Link to article in The Augusta Chronicle: http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/1997/09/09/tec_214421.shtml#.VSvwqfnF-JU ) Although I want to note that this article doesn't mention that full control and full transfer of CompuServe to H&R did not occur until 1984. Shortly after the full transfer of the company in 1984, Gard funded a new company called Discovery Systems in Dublin, Oh for Wilkins making Wilkins the CEO of that company. But Wilkins took that company bankrupt after Gard died in September of 1987.

"Compu-Serv Network, Inc was founded by Harry Gard, Sr. in 1969 as a subsidiary of Golden United Life Insurance." (Link to article at RetroPlanet: http://blog.retroplanet.com/compuserve/ )

Here's a link to a 1973 photo and caption with both Wilkins and Gard stating Wilkins as "president" and Gard as Chairman of the board: ( Link to article: http://www.gsbrown.org/compuserve/photos/arlington-centre-open-house.html) AngelTripp (talk) 18:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what axe it is you're grinding (apart from clearly disliking Wilkins for some reason), but you're getting pretty far off base here. Firstly, making up statistics about how many sources are copying Wikipedia is doing you no favors, nor is stating its "obligations" - we have our reliable sources and {{WP:VER|verifiability] policies already. Secondly, none of the sources I listed in my last reply are copied from Wikipedia - especially not the ones from 1984/5! Nowhere in this article is Wilkins called the "godfather" of CompuServe, its founder, or even its first/only CEO. Nowhere in the article is anybody claiming Gard wasn't involved, nor does it claim that he wasn't the founder or a CEO of it (it's explicitly called a subsidiary of his Golden United company, in fact).
 * When you're ready be constructive about improving the article (the corporate history section could certainly stand to be more robust, and the links you just provided could be helpful toward that end) we can work on shoring things up. Until then, ranting about Wilkins's conspiracy is not productive (and is a bit libelous) unless you have sources to back up the idea that Wilkins was never a CEO and is just lying about his tenure there. --Xanzzibar (talk) 23:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

There is no axe grinding. This conversation began with two attempts to make a very few and simple edits in this article giving proper acknowledgement to Harry Gard Sr. at the request of his daughter. Both times the edits were undone. The administrators of this site instructed us to approach this issue here and in this manner.

Nobody stated that your presented articles of reference copied from Wikipedia, only that the vast majority of articles found on-line do indeed use this article as a point of reference, word for word. As for the reference to the "godfather" remark, again, nobody claimed it to be from the article. It is clearly a sarcastic expression of frustration due to the difficulty in trying to get the proper acknowledgments of the role of Harry Gard Sr. in CompuServe.

As for it being libelous, not if it is factual truth.

The initial edits that we tried to make in no way downplayed the role of Wilkins as it was as president, but instead corrected and gave proper credit to Harry Gard Sr. reflecting his position in this company. On the Wikipedia edit history page, the notes made when our edit was undone state that the author did not understand the "oddly insistent use of Gard's name".

Gard, not Wilkins, was the founder and CEO. AngelTripp (talk) 18:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Editors of the software (kind)
I take it as a GF statement that Wiki supports editing the old fashioned way, and the resulting wrap-a -round that comes from not paying attention (being considerate) is that lines aren't as easy to edit as they could be. This is not about reader-content but "don't bite .." Pi314m (talk) 06:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge of CompuServe Information Manager into CompuServe
Unsourced and not independently notable. Walsh90210 (talk) 14:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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