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Talk:Cerdic of Wessex

Another datum about Cerdic
One YouTube channel I follow -- Paul Whitewick, who films his exploration of the historical landscape of his part of Britain -- mentions that an Anglo-Saxon charter mentions a "Cedric's Barrow". (I've identified the charter as #359 in P.H. Sawyer's Anglo-Saxon Charters: An Annotated List and Bibliography (London: Royal Historical Society, 1968); citations there to the published text & commentary.) I haven't confirmed that it is actually mentioned in the list of boundaries. I also don't know just how common the name "Cerdic" was before the date of this charter (AD 900), so while Whitewick & his source both identify the namesake of the barrow with the semi-legendary king, it is possible that there is no connection. However, as the place name is near Hurstbourne Tarrant in Hampshire identification is not completely unlikely. -- llywrch (talk) 18:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It is all a little circumstantial, plus the A-S wording is actually Cerdic's hill, rather than Cerdic's barrow. There is a folk habit of naming notable features in a landscape after notable figures, like Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh. It could be merely be this origin. Urselius (talk) 10:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Urselius Traces of a barrow have been identified in this location on multiple occasions through aerial photography. Other barrows in the Royal charter - from Cerdic's descendants - are referred to in the same way with 'beorge, beorga etc', so why would this be referring to a hill?

There is a folk habit of naming some features in a landscape after notable figures, but in this case the barrow is near ancient trackways and a dyke, facing west towards Wiltshire. The dyke is also thought to extend to the Wiltshire border. Mounds like this were being reused on the edge of kingdoms and estates for burials. This barrow at 72 ft (22m) in diameter and 6 to 12 ft high was enormous. It was no accident that the barrow was connected to Cerdic because it was deliberately placed in a very prominent position. Thanks PH8288 (talk) 12:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This is all original research, which is not allowed. We have to rely on reliable sources, which for Anglo-Saxon history means comments by experts on the period. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This would surely include George Grundy's research, added previously, who supports the possibility Cerdic was buried there. I'm not so concerned as to whether Wikipedia uses the research. It was the fact a regular Wikipedia editor created the section in spite after a disagreement on YouTube, based on a random and inaccurate Find A Grave entry, while another anonymous editor is dismissive on a very public page. Thanks.PH8288 (talk) 10:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Grundy died in 1948. If his views on the location are given credence by modern historians, then there should be a more recent RS. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The current page includes references dating from 1898, 1910, 1914, 1953 and 1956. Archaeologists have carried out a search in 2005 based on Grundy's study.
 * It's not my concern whether Wikipedia uses the research and had not planned to update this page or even use Wikipedia, until the page was updated with incorrect information. I also wanted to respond to comments on public talk page. Thanks. PH8288 (talk) 13:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Recent additions
Hello @PH8288, on Wikipedia we generally have discussions about the content of pages on the relevant talk page where all interested editors may participate, as opposed to private emails. From your descriptions, you may have a conflict of interest regarding the content you've added to the page: additionally, Wikipedia is generally not a place for original research (regarding your own work, as opposed to the work of others you've described as their original research in edit summaries). Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies on verifiability and original research while contributing, thank you! Remsense 诉  12:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi @Remsense The page was updated with the incorrect location for the barrow and the wrong century date for the relevant charter. I had not been planning to update the page beforehand. My first edits on Wikipedia included a link to the relevant charter and independent research into the barrow location. In addition, inaccuracies regarding battle locations were updated with sources as goodwill. Thanks PH8288 (talk) 12:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not strictly about who added it, it's the fact that it is not published in a reliable source. Work that is not published in a reliable source is considered original research for our purposes. I made sure not to touch your verifiable changes, all in good faith. Remsense  诉  12:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Remsense The location for the barrow was incorrect, with the wrong date for charter, so I wanted to ensure this was corrected. Will familiarise myself with Wikipedia policies as these were my first edits. Thanks. PH8288 (talk) 12:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The three copies of the charter, that were readable in the referenced Harvard compilation, of Walter De Gray, state they grant Stoke by Hurstbourne Tarrant, Hampshire, to the refectory at Winchester, the barrow being on the border of the grant (link restored to the Wikipedia preferred published compilation, but have left the substituted primary ref to one copy).
 * FYI: the findagrave site wasn't cited, but appears to have borrowed its content from genealogieonline.nl, which in turn borrowed an earlier version of this page, and a copy of CERDIC AND KING ARTHUR, By Andrew Godsell, 2002, that cite Mike Ashley, 1998 (restored the deleted ref to Mike Ashley's book, that's available on kindle unlimited), who in turn cites the charters. As does Johnstone's, 1939 article in Antiquity, as does Peter Marren, 2006, and several others. A.j.roberts (talk) 01:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The editor has taken to updating the page after a disagreement in YouTube comments. The YouTube video is the result of a two-year investigation into the barrow. PH8288 (talk) 02:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Moderation
I would like to make a suggestion that makes an assertion more accurate and moderate, and Wikipedia articles need to be as accurate as is possible. My suggested additions are in bold. "A 10th century charter from Edward the Elder, son of Alfred the Great, which transferred 10 hides of land (roughly 11,000 acres), which now makes up St Mary Bourne parish in Hampshire, to Winchester Cathedral suggests contemporary people believed that he was buried in a barrow, then known as 'Ceardices Beorg', within the boundary". Given the centuries separating Cerdic from Edward the Elder folk memory may have become distorted and unreliable. Urselius (talk) 11:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 * That would be editorializing on our part, and therefore original research, if that claim is not reflected in the sources. Remsense  诉  11:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Nonsense, this barrow business is all mere speculation, and my suggestion is merely logical, not editorialising . Cerdic's historical existence is not certain, claims of any sort concerning finding the burial place of a possibly non-existent person needs very careful handling and moderating such claims is essential. Urselius (talk) 11:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I vote the whole matter should be removed until and unless higher quality sources are available. Urselius (talk) 11:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fine by me, as long as what is there is sourced. Remsense  诉  11:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have deleted. It leaves the previous text unreferenced, but the refs were dated or not RS. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi I would like to draw your attention to further academic sources which mention Cerdic's Barrow and which stem from the reference in the 10th century charter.
 * 1, Bruce Eagles, a well respected academic, references Cerdic's Barrow in the: following paper
 * 2, This is a direct reference from Barbara Yorke's paper in 1989 - (Yorke, Barbara A. E.. (1989) - In: Reading medieval studies vol. 15 (1989) p. 95-117. 90, Essay, The Jutes of Hampshire and Wight and the Origins of Wessex). Prof Yorke is one of the foremost scholars on Wessex's history.
 * 3, In addition, the existence of Cerdic's Barrow stemming from the charter is referenced in The English Settlements - (Myres, John (1989), The English Settlements, Oxford History of England, p.155). The existing Cerdic of Wessex page quotes from this book which is a very good background source for Cerdic.
 * 4, There is an earlier reference to the barrow in Stoke, Hampshire, - Copley, Gordon (1954), The Conquest of Wessex in the 6th Century, Phoenix House, p142. 'The Ceardices Beorg' at Hurstbourne Priors has been regarded as the actual burial-place of the first king of Wessex.'
 * This barrow is commonly placed in 'Stoke, Hurstbourne' because that is the title for land in the charter, but the actual land transferred is 11,000 acres and now makes up what is now St Mary Bourne parish. It is up to Wikipedia editors if they want to use the research or mention the barrow. Just wanted this very public page relating to Cerdic to show that Cerdic's Barrow has been referenced by a number of academics and not treated as 'mere speculation'. Thanks. PH8288 (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Attributed coat-of-arms
I re-added my rendition of the attributed coat of arms for Cerdic of Wessex, with the compromise that it be further down on the page, after it was removed with no discussion. I thusly decided to open a Talk section, as suggested by the other user, to discuss concerns over whether or not the attributed arms should be allowed on the page; as of currently, I reverted the edit removing it, with the arms at the bottom of the page. The reason why I added the arms was because said arms, which are also considered anachronistic - as medieval heraldry did not exist at the time Cerdic of Wessex lived - are not only depicted in the main image for the page, but attributed and anachronistic arms were allowed on the page for House of Wessex, to which Cerdic of Wessex is also assigned. By the same logic of "no attributed or anachronistic arms are allowed", the main images for Cerdic of Wessex and House_of_Wessex would need to be removed. I also did specify in my original contributon to the page that the arms were attributed by John Speed to Cerdic of Wessex, rather than the arms being self-assumed by Cerdic. Obversa (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 * While subjects like Cerdic have few if any contemporary images available, so that the use of much later images is unavoidable, heraldry is a rather unique case. There has to be an especially cogent reason for the use of anachronistic heraldry, the mere existence of an attributed coat of arms is not really sufficient. Take for example the arms attributed to Edward the Confessor, there are two reasons that these are relevant, they are based on a design of silver pennies minted during the reign of this king and they were made use of by much later Medieval kings of England. One of the banners that King Henry V had close to him at the Battle of Agincourt was that showing the arms of the Confessor. In general, the consensus of Wikipedia editors working on Early Medieval subjects is against the use of anachronistic heraldry. Urselius (talk) 07:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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Matthew 1:7

Matthew 1:7 is the seventh verse of the first chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. The verse is part of the section where the genealogy of Joseph, the legal father of Jesus, is listed.

Content
In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads:
 * And Solomon begat Roboam;
 * and Roboam begat Abia;
 * and Abia begat Asa;

The World English Bible translates the passage as:
 * Solomon became the father of Rehoboam.
 * Rehoboam became the father of Abijah.
 * Abijah became the father of Asa.

For a collection of other versions see BibleHub Matthew 1:7.

Textual variants
The following textual variants are found in the manuscripts containing this verse:

Abia, Abias or Abioud

 * "Abia": Ἀβιά, Ἀβιὰ] B Byz ς WH
 * "Abias": Ἀβιά, Ἀβιὰς] א
 * "Abeia": Ἀβειά, Ἀβειὰ] p1
 * "Abioud": Ἀβιούδ, Ἀβιοὺδ] (D itd in Luke) f13 pc it syrh(mg)

Asa or Asaph

 * "Asaph": Ἀσάφ] p1 א B C (D itd in Luke) f1 f13 205 700 1071 pm l253 l844 l2211 itaur itc itg1 ith itq vgmss (syrh(mg)) copsa copmae copbo arm eth geo Ambrose (Epiphanius1/2) CEI TILC Nv

 * "Asa": Ἀσά] E K L W Δ Π Σ 28 33 565 579 597 828 892 1006 1009 1010 1079 1195 1216 1230 1241 1242 1243 1342 1365 1424 1505 1546 (2148 Ἀσσά) Lect Byz (ita) itf itff1 vg syrc syrs syrp syrh syrpal slav Ps-Eustathius (Epiphanius1/2) ς NR ND Riv Dio NM

Analysis
This part of the list coincides with the list of the Kings of Judah that is present in a number of other parts of the Bible. Unlike other parts of Matthew's genealogy this list is fully in keeping with the other sources. The first listed is King Solomon of Israel who is said to have reigned c.962 BC to c.922 BC. The genealogy then follows is that of the kings of Judah, beginning with Rehoboam whose reign William F. Albright dates from 922 BC to 915 BC. Rehoboam's son Abijah (also written as "Abia") ruled from his father's death for two years and his son Asa of Judah ruled from 913 BC to 873 BC. Rehoboam is most noted for presiding over the breakup of his kingdom and a civil war between the tribes of Israel. His son Abijah had a brief and unsuccessful reign. Asa's long reign was more successful.

Robert H. Gundry believes that the addition of a "φ" to Asa's name is an attempt to link the king to Asaph, to whom Psalm 78 is attributed, while Psalm 78 contains important messianic prophecies. Raymond E. Brown, and most other scholars feel this is more likely an error than a scheme and most translators of the Bible "correct" Matthew in this verse. Who made the error is uncertain. The author of Matthew could have been working from an incorrect source, he could have made the error himself, or an early copier of the Gospel could have added the letter.

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10050 Cielo Drive

10050 Cielo Drive was the street address of a former luxury home in Benedict Canyon, in the west-central part of the Beverly Crest neighborhood of Los Angeles, bordering Beverly Hills, where three members of the Manson Family committed the Tate murders in 1969.

The property had a main residence, guest house, pool, and 2-story garage. The main house had been occupied by various famous Hollywood and music industry figures. In 1994, both houses were demolished and a new house was constructed on the site, and the street address was changed to 10066 Cielo Drive.

Architecture
The original house was designed by Arthur W. Hawes in 1941 and completed in 1942 for French actress Michèle Morgan. It was similar to the house which sat on its own plateau directly below 10050, 10048 Cielo Drive, which was often called the Twin House.

The French country-style structure was located on 3 acre, and included a private drive on Cielo Drive in Benedict Canyon, an area west of Hollywood in the Santa Monica Mountains that overlooks Beverly Hills and Bel Air. The hillside structure faced east and was surrounded by thick pine and flowering cherry trees.

According to official documents with the Los Angeles Department of Building and Safety, the architect of record for this home was Arthur W. Hawes (1873–1951). The builder was J.F. Wadkins Corp.

History
Michèle Morgan, French actress for RKO Radio Pictures, arranged for architect Arthur W. Hawes to design a home and for J.F. Wadkins to build the luxury home resembling an early 19th-century European style farmhouse. The house was completed in 1942, with an address of 10050 Cielo Drive. It was on a 3.3-acre level lot above Benedict Canyon in Beverly Hills. The home included a 3,200 square foot main residence; barbeque shelter; swimming pool; and a 2-story garage. According to the Los Angeles Times, Morgan paid $32,000 (equivalent to $470,000 in 2020). By the end of World War II, Morgan had returned to France. In 1944, the house was sold to Dr. Hartley Dewey and his wife Louise, where they converted the barbeque shelter into a guest house and added a dressing room for the pool. In 1946, the Deweys rented the home to Lillian Gish while she was filming Duel in the Sun.

Rudolph Altobelli (1929–2011), a music and film industry talent manager, bought the house for $86,000 in the early 1960s (equivalent to $ in ) and often rented it out. Residents included Cary Grant and Dyan Cannon (it was their honeymoon nest in 1965 ); Henry Fonda; George Chakiris; Mark Lindsay; Samantha Eggar; and Olivia Hussey. Charles Manson visited the house in late 1968, when it was occupied (from May 1967 to January 1969) by couple Terry Melcher (the son of actress Doris Day) and Candice Bergen.

In February 1969, Roman Polanski and his wife Sharon Tate began renting the home from Altobelli. On August 9, 1969, the home became the scene of the murders of Sharon Tate, Wojciech Frykowski, Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring, and Steven Parent committed by Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, and Patricia Krenwinkel, members of the Manson Family cult. Charles Manson himself was an associate of Melcher and had previously visited the house. William Garretson, Altobelli's caretaker and an acquaintance of Parent, lived in the guest house behind the main house and was unaware of the murders until the next morning, when he was taken into custody by police officers who had arrived at the scene. He was later cleared of all charges.

Altobelli moved into the house just three weeks after the murders and resided there until 1988. During an interview on ABC's show 20/20, he said that while living there, he felt "safe, secure, loved, and beauty". The house was then sold to John Prell, a real estate investor. The purchase price was $1.6 million in 1989 (equivalent to $ million in ). In 1992, Prell sold the property to Alvin Weintraub, another real estate investor.

Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson
The final resident of the original house was the musician Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails. Reznor rented the house in 1992 and set up a recording studio there. This studio, dubbed "Pig" (sometimes called "Le Pig") in a reference to murderer Susan Atkins' writing "Pig" in Tate's blood on the front door of the house, was the site of recording sessions for most of the Nine Inch Nails album The Downward Spiral (1994). The band also recorded the EP Broken and filmed the video for "Gave Up" at 10050 Cielo Drive. Marilyn Manson recorded sections of the album Portrait of an American Family at the in-house studio in 1992.

Reznor moved out in December 1993, later explaining "there was too much history in that house for me to handle."

Reznor made a statement about working in the Tate house during a 1997 interview with Rolling Stone:

While I was working on Downward Spiral, I was living in the house where Sharon Tate was killed. Then one day I met her sister. It was a random thing, just a brief encounter. And she said: "Are you exploiting my sister's death by living in her house?" For the first time the whole thing kind of slapped me in the face. I said, "No, it's just sort of my own interest in American folklore. I'm in this place where a weird part of history occurred." I guess it never really struck me before, but it did then. She lost her sister from a senseless, ignorant situation that I don't want to support. When she was talking to me, I realized for the first time, "What if it was my sister?" I thought, "Fuck Charlie Manson. I don't want to be looked at as a guy who supports serial-killer bullshit." I went home and cried that night. It made me see there's another side to things, you know? It's one thing to go around with your dick swinging in the wind, acting like it doesn't matter. But when you understand the repercussions that are felt ... that's what sobered me up: realizing that what balances out the appeal of the lawlessness and the lack of morality and that whole thing is the other end of it, the victims who don't deserve that.

Reznor took the front door of the house with him when he moved out, installing it at Nothing Studios, his new recording studio/record label headquarters in New Orleans. Nothing Studios was later sold and the façade of the building changed. Christopher Moore, a New Orleans artist, acquired the front door from the owner of the building, and then in September 2023 the door was sold in an auction to an undisclosed buyer for $127,000 by Julien’s Auctions.

Demolition
After renting out the house, Alvin Weintraub had it demolished in early 1994 and construction on a new home began shortly after. In 1996, the newly constructed home was completed, that he named Villa Bella, and obtained a new address for the property, 10066 Cielo Drive. It is an 18,000-square-foot Mediterranean-style mansion. When he listed Villa Bella for sale in 1998, Weintraub told Los Angeles magazine that this was not the Manson murder house, saying "We went to great pains to get rid of everything ... There’s no house, no dirt, no blade of grass remotely connected to Sharon Tate." However, there is one remaining pine tree that does exist between the house and the pool on the property.

The owner of the property as of December 2013 was Hollywood producer Jeff Franklin. In 2010, he had made this comment to Architectural Digest: "What I fell in love with here was the setting, the view, the privacy, and the amount of flat land" but complained that the design of the house was badly conceived. The property was on the market in August 2019, showing an estimated price of $97 million. It again was on the market in January 2022 for $85 million, reduced in price in June 2022 to just under $70 million.

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List of shipwrecks of the 1913 Great Lakes storm

This is a list of shipwrecks during the Great Lakes Storm of 1913.


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Air Austral

Air Austral is a French airline based at Roland Garros Airport, Réunion. It operates scheduled services from Réunion to metropolitan France, South Africa, Thailand and a number of destinations in the Indian Ocean. The company has nine airplanes in the fleet and employs around 900 people.

1974–1990: Founding years as RAS and Air Réunion
Air Austral was created in December 1974 by local businessman Gérard Ethève as Réunion Air Services (RAS), Réunion's first commercial airline. By August 1977, RAS had started regional services from Sainte-Marie to Mayotte with a 32-seat Hawker Siddeley HS 748 turboprop. RAS became Air Réunion in December 1986.

In October 1990, Sematra, a company 46% owned by the local councils of Réunion with the remaining shares owned by banks and other private partners, purchased Air Réunion.

1990–2011: Development as Air Austral and growth in operations
In November 1990, Air Réunion became Air Austral. Two months later, Air Austral bought its first Boeing 737-500. Another 737-300 was acquired in 1994, and in 1997, the airline purchased a 737-300QC, which enabled both passenger and cargo only traffic.

In 2000, the airline took delivery of an ATR 72-500 short-haul turboprop. By then, Air Austral operated from both Roland Garros Airport in Sainte-Marie and Pierrefonds Airport in Saint-Pierre, with scheduled services to Mayotte, South Africa (Johannesburg), Comoros, Mauritius, the Seychelles, and four destinations in Madagascar (Antananarivo, Tamatave, Nosy Be, Majunga). In 2003, Air Austral launched its first long-haul service between Réunion and Paris, with two Boeing 777-200ERs. The two Boeing 777s were joined by a third Boeing 777-200ER in 2005. A second long-haul route from Réunion to Marseille and Lyon was established.

In 2007, a third long-haul service to Toulouse via Marseille started. In 2008, the airline introduced new uniforms for staff and crew members, designed by Balenciaga. A second ATR 72-500 was added to the fleet, followed by a third a few months later. In April 2009, Air Austral started a new service to Sydney and New Caledonia, thus opening up a new route between Paris and Sydney via Réunion. The airline also acquired two Boeing 777-300ERs. In November, it placed a firm order for two all-economy class 840-seat Airbus A380s, for delivery in 2014. These were intended for Air Austral's Réunion-Paris flights. In June 2010, Air Austral announced it would start scheduled flights from Réunion to Bordeaux and Nantes from February 2011. In August 2011, Air Austral received its first Boeing 777-200LR.

2012–present: Economic struggles and subsequent rebound
In April 2012, founder and chief executive Gérard Ethève was replaced by Marie-Joseph Malé following financial difficulties caused by risky business decisions and made worse by high fuel prices. Non-profitable routes to Nouméa, Sydney, Marseille, Bordeaux, Nantes, Toulouse, and Lyon were closed. Additionally, Air Austral was unable to pay for a new 777-200LR awaiting delivery and looked to sell the plane instead of taking delivery. Following this development, Air Austral announced in May 2012 that it would defer or cancel its order for two Airbus A380s, with a decision to be made by the end of June 2012.

In June 2013, Air Austral introduced direct flights to Chennai, India with its new Boeing 737-800s. In February 2015, the company announced an order for two Boeing 787-8s, to be delivered in May and October 2016 respectively. In March 2015, it also announced the lease of 2 more B777-300ER from Air Lease Corporation (ALC). These aircraft, delivered in late 2016, replaced the oldest two models of the same type then operated by Air Austral.

In November 2015, the company sold its single Boeing 777-200LR to Florida-based broker Atlas Aviation, which became the "Crystal Skye" ultraluxury air cruise aircraft. Air Austral simultaneously announced the lease, from November 2015 to May 2016, of a Boeing 737-300QC (QC for quick change) from ASL Airlines France (formerly Europe Airpost). The plane involved was F-ODZZ, a convertible version of the 737–300 (a cabin that can be changed from passenger to freight configuration) that had already been in Air Austral service between 1997 and 2005. It was used until the first of two Boeing 787-8s ordered by the company was delivered in May 2016.

In October 2017, Air Austral signed a strategic partnership agreement with Air Madagascar to become the airline's minority shareholder, owning a 49% stake in the company, after the two companies established their relationship in 2016. The move was done in part to help Air Madagascar return to profitability and facilitate stronger connections within the regional market for the two airlines. In February 2018, Air Austral revealed its restructuring strategy for Air Madagascar through 2027, which included stabilising the company's finances, launching strategic routes, and expanding the company's fleet. In July 2018, Kenya Airways signed a memorandum of understanding to join the partnership in an effort to strengthen Nairobi's connections to Réunion and Madagascar and to also open up the possibilities of codesharing between the three carriers. The agreement was later finalized by the three airlines in December 2018. However, in November 2019, reports revealed that the partnership between Air Austral and Air Madagascar was at risk of dissolution after Air Austral did not contribute its second payment of €25 million for its equity share in the airline.

In August 2018, Air Austral began wet leasing an Airbus A380 from charter airline Hi Fly after it grounded one of its Boeing 787s due to inspections of the plane's Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines. In October 2019, Air Austral announced it was developing its plans to renew its fleet. That month, the airline signed a purchase agreement for three Airbus A220-300 aircraft that would replace its two Boeing 737-800 and ATR 72-500 aircraft. The airline projects it may begin renewing its long-haul fleet beginning in 2023.

Destinations
This is a list of destinations served and previously served by Air Austral :

Interline agreements
Air Austral has an interlining agreement with Thai Airways International.

Codeshare agreements
Air Austral has codeshare agreements with the following airlines:

 * Air France
 * Air Madagascar
 * Air India
 * Ewa Air
 * Kenya Airways

Current fleet
, Air Austral operates the following aircraft:

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Talk:Nissan Tiida

July 2006
Any test drive review for Nissan Latio? Like to know more about this car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.2.124.251 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Further info (not related to above comment): In Japan, 1.5 and 1.8 litre versions are offered. In South Africa, there are 1.6 and 1.8 litre versions from 2006.

Merge Request
Most of the Versa info has moved here. Would it merge with Nissan Versa? -- Bull-Doser 14:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * AMAZINGLY STRONGLY disagree Nissan Versa & Nissan Tiida should not be merged. There is one major difference between the two cars: The Versa is a hatchback, while the Tiida is a sedan. Also, the Tiida is sold as the Versa in the US, but as its sold as the Tiida everywhere else, both articles should be maintained seperatly, and link to each other. Hondasar e  good ¡Hable conmigo!   22:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree - They both deal with the exactly same car. Many other cars have different nameplates and still are the same car, so they are kept together. Both the Tiida and Versa are sold with both body styles (check the Australian and Canadian websites)., so Hondasaregood's hatchback vs. sedan argument is not vaild-- NaBUru38 03:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree to merge -- same cars renamed for different markets. Versa is a sedan or hatchback at NissanUSA.com. Tiida can be either bodystyle everywhere else. But give it a week or two to secure consensus. --DeLarge 13:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree to merge - the Nissan Versa is just a rebadging exercise for the American market, the car is identical to the Tiida in every way. --Pc13 18:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

UK sales
When do UK sales of the Nissan Versa begin?

Car class
WP:OR, anyone? It's listed as a compact car here (and on Modern North American Nissan vehicles it's listed as a subcompact car). Yet, as per the discussion a year ago at Talk:Nissan Versa, reliable sources like the EPA who classify cars call it mid-size. --DeLarge 01:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Why do people keep changing the class back to Compact or Subcompact? They can't make up their mind of course because the EPA rates it as a Midsize car. I thought that Category in the template is supposed to state what the EPA Class is, not what random editors on here think it should be based on external dimensions. I'm reverting until someone clarifies authoritatively that Class and/or Category does not specifically relate to the US EPA rating.  Charlie Richmond 14:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The Tiida in Europe
The Tiida is already for sale in many European markets, although not in the largest markets. That information should be updated. -- NaBUru38 16:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Does anyone know where the European market Tiidas are built? I am aware they don't make them in NMUK. People have suggested they're all coming from Mexico, but I can't see there being any sense in having tooling over there to produce right-hand drive models when the only RHD market outside of East Asia and Oceania is Ireland (AFAIK Australian models are made in Indonesia). So, any ideas? --Zilog Jones (talk) 21:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Chrysler Versa
Could we mention the Chrysler version of the Versa who'll be on sale in South America according to this article from AutoblogGreen? --Sd-100 (talk) 12:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I spotted some new infos from the Sao Paulo auto show about the Chrysler version who'll be called the Dodge Trazo http://argentinaautoblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/saln-de-san-pablo-el-stand-de-chrysler.html

http://www.thescoop-cg.com/2008/10/28/new-trazo-c18-by-dodge-debuts-at-sao-paulo-motor-show/ --Sd-100 (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Sounds amazingly like an ad, and the first sentence or two was written in engrish. I'd change it, but every time I do it, someone comes along and reverses it saying I vandalized the page. 75.173.196.111 (talk) 20:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Unmerge?
If the US-spec Versa sedan is indeed based on the March/Micra, and the hatchback based on the Tiida, perhaps the Versa should once again get its own page? Autonerd (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC) Autonerd

 * I agree. Sbrianhicks (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Strongly Disagree since the cars are still pretty much the same and the article is small anyway.
 * Whether based on other models or not they are still rebadged versions of each other.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 12:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh, what? Sbrianhicks (talk) 18:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I mean that the only real difference is the body style, unmerging will just create two stub articles and so isn't the best option.
 * This article could be improved instead to be more descriptive.
 * Thanks  J e n o v a  20 09:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Split already. The latest Nissan Versas aren't even based on Nissan Tiida at all. It has no place in a Nissan Tiida article. Leave Nissan Tiida contents for models where it is actually sold as a Tiida. - 142.150.48.202 (talk) 02:38, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

2013 Update
Anyone can update this? Especially as the Tiida is now sold in Australia as a Pulsar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makewa (talk • contribs) 12:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Russia / Main article: Nissan Pulsar (C13)
I don't get it: is the so called "Nissan pulsar (C13)" only sold in the Russian market? Why is it put under the section of "Second generation (C12; 2011–present)"??? It IS confusing!!! Can other editors help here??? ---Now wiki (talk) 15:17, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

 * The article mentions that the Nissan Pulsar C13 model is sold in Europe (as Nissan Pulsar) and Russia (as Nissan Tiida). As you put it, you are right, the paragraph in this article about the C13 model should be moved to a new "Other versions" section, because it is not related to the C12 model. This would be in consistency with the Nissan Pulsar article, which does the same with the models sold in Australia. BaboneCar (talk) 20:09, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks.---Now wiki (talk) 20:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Not sold anymore in Japan
At Ryukyu Nissan I was recently told, that the Tiida is not sold anymore in Japan, due to lack of interest... most potential Tiida-buyers apparently decide for either the smaller and more fuel efficient Note or go for a larger vehicle. --126.125.178.30 (talk) 07:52, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:The Last House on the Left

Removed
Removed this sentence:

 * Last House on the Left has become a cult film since its original release in part because an intact, un-edited cut of the film is hard to find (and may in fact no longer exist).

The filmmakers' commentary on the Region 1 special edition DVD indicates that the version shown on that disc is authoritative and is not materially different from the originally released version of the film. Ellsworth 17:20, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion
I think the synopsis could do with a lot of expansion. I'd do it myself, but have never seen the film. -Elizabennet 03:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Some parts of it definitely have some questionable language; e.g. "...eating her out...", as if portraying this film to be a porno, which it is not. rock8591 05:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs)

I would like to see something about what parts of this were actually true, since the whole "based on actual events" preface in film is often loose at best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theseus75 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Although the opening card says the film is based on a true story, it's actually based on a Swedish movie, Jungfrukällan, which is fictionalized. Fargo made a similar claim of being "based on actual events", but isn't as literal as one might think.  Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

right now the synopsis is absolutely wretched. it's too writerly (and not in a good way) not basic enough, and also inaccurate. i mean, mari might be going to wash herself in the lake, but that's nowhere stated in the film and not even necessarily implied. she just vomits, walks in as if in a daze, and gets shot. also, the sentence structure is atrocious--'she is raped, and cries because she got raped' etc. i'd do it myself, but my skills with wikis lean more towards pointless vandalism than actual contribution. i just thought someone might want to take a crack at it.66.218.33.213 (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Looking at your grammar skills above and your edit history ...yeah, it's probably best that you leave the improvements to someone else. Hoof Hearted (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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although it has been passed uncut in the uk, the original cuts required to two scenes: the infamous intestine removal and the throat garroting scene —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.71 (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation page
Now that there is another movie by the same name, a disambiguation page should be made for "The Last House on the Left", which currently redirects to this page. Tad Lincoln (talk) 05:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Such a page exists. Seduisant (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Plot
Why is there a tag on this plot, it seem pretty proportionate and well-worded to me  • S • C  • A • R  • C • E •   01:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 3 August 2011

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No consensus to move. The dab page has been restored. If a case can be that there is a primary topic, then this can be nominated again. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The Last House on the Left (1972 film) → The Last House on the Left – That page already seems to link here, so there's no need for the disambiguation. That said, this is certainly the primary over the far less notable or memorable remake. Yaksar (let's chat) 01:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

 * It was a disambiguous page at one point that had both of the films listed.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:15, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't notice that, thanks. But the point still stands, there's a fairly clear primary with the original, since it is considered an iconic film by an iconic director and the second did not really have a lasting impact.--Yaksar (let's chat) 03:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That being said, is it cool if we put the hatnote back for now until this move request gets resolved? Since that was changed from a disambiguation page to a redirect, there's no real logical way for a reader to find the remake.--Yaksar (let's chat) 03:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There is nothing on this page that says the film is "iconic". Controversial, yes, but iconic is questionable. Most people don't know what this film is or that it even exists. Freddy Krueger is iconic; even people that have never seen the films can identify the character. This film is probably more "cult classic" (still needs a reliable source to say that). As for the hatnote, given that the very next few lines already mention and link the 2009 remake, the hatnote is not necessary. Per WP:HATNOTE, "Hatnotes are short notes placed at the top of an article (hence the name "hat"), normally to help readers locate a different article they might be looking for when they arrived at the article in which the hatnote is placed." Given that within eyesight is "The film was remade into a 2009 film of the same name", the hatnote isn't necessary. The disambig page should probably be reinstated until a decision about this move can be determined, as you are right in that we shouldn't have a primary topic redirect to a disambiguated page like this.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright. Do you actually oppose the move though, or just the hatnote being there at the moment? Even if "iconic" is debatable, it's still a movie by possibly the most famous horror director that certainly had far more of an impact than the forgettable remake. It was quite controversial at the time and, although it didn't make it, it was nominated for an AFI top 100 list.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:46, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the disambiguated page needs to be reinstated because the reality of the title is that beyond film critics, most audience members did not know there was a previous film in 1972. So, it's a matter of arguing should "primary topic" be the one that most people associate with the title, or which subject came first. To me, it's easier to have the non-ambiguated title by the home for a link to both films, with each film having its year in the article title. But, this needs a wide consensus. I would post this on WP:FILM, WP:NCF, and WP:RfC to garner a wider opinion base anyway. See what more than just 2 people think.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't go that far; I'm sure far more people are aware of the original than of the remake. Those who only know of the remake are more like (although to a lesser extent) those who think that the new planet of the apes movie is the start of a new concept :) But yes, some more input certainly can't hurt.--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
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Fix title
someone should fix the title on this and remove the "the" - see poster

 * See also Roger Ebert's review. That guy knew movies. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Then again, there's this poster. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And the poster here does say she lived in "the...". If we're disqualifying words based on size alone, the title would be "Last House Left". Can't have that. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The opening credits of the film definitely include "The...", as per this screenshot. The AFI Catalog also notes that "Although the onscreen credits on the viewed print and the film's copyright record list the title of the film as The Last House on the Left, most contemporary reviews omitted “The” from the title." --Muzilon (talk) 02:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The great film critic Robin Wood, in his book Hollywood: From Vietnam to Reagan ... and Beyond, offers a scathing rejoinder to Roger Ebert's review of the movie in the July-August 1978 issue of Film Comment. Perhaps Wood's analysis of this movie might be incorporated into the "Critical response" section of this page.  Ross Walton (talk) 03:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Removed
I removed the reference to "13th century Swedish ballad" - there are no manuscripts for any variant of the ballad before the 1670s; I refer to Sveriges Medeltida Ballader (1983-2001), specifically to volume 2 (1986) SMB number 47, variant A. Most speculation as to the age of a ballad is just that. I know it is a small thing, but ballads are my field of study. I hope that I have approached this issue appropriately. Jetboijetgrrl (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 6 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Both sides have cited relevant guidelines, but a majority of contributors find no primary topic exists. (non-admin closure) NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

The Last House on the Left (1972 film) → The Last House on the Left – Per WP:MULTIDABS, "If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article, pointing to the other article." Although page views favour the remake at the moment, there is a strong element of recentism at play here, Google Books indicates Craven's version has far more lasting significance among authors and scholars. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:NCF In ictu oculi (talk) 08:12, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a disappointing (lack of) response. All WP:NCF says on "Between films of the same name" is "compare all film and non-film topics and determine whether one is the primary topic". Returning again to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, we see emphasis on "long-term significance" and "Usage in English reliable sources demonstrated with Google web, news, scholar, or book searches" Ribbet32 (talk) 16:40, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The point is that it is very rare in films given that remakes always have a younger audience. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "The point is that it is very rare in films"- that is incoherent. What is "rare in films"? Why is your "younger audience" more important than any other? Why not consult what authors and scholars are saying and what long-term significance is? Is Wikipedia not an encyclopedia? Ribbet32 (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "It" refers to the subject of the preceding sentence. The audience of The Last House on the Left (2009 film) are neither more important nor less important. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * So "the point" "is very rare in films." I suppose it's arguable most films don't have a point, but that contributes nothing to any meaningful move discussion. Ribbet32 (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Oppose per WP:NCF and neither of them is a real primary topic. Keeping the dab page makes it easier to spot incorrect incoming links too.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 09:07, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it would be downright impossible to argue there's no primary topic without resorting to WP:RECENTISM and WP:ILIKEIT. Ribbet32 (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CONCEPTDAB. 1972 film is the WP:PTOPIC with its higher long-term significance. SST  flyer  04:13, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. The original film is clearly WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in terms of long-term significance looking at the sources and Google Books. As this is a WP:TWODABS situation, readers seeking the 2009 film will be able to find it just as easily from a hat note as a dab page. also makes a compelling point re WP:CONCEPTDAB: the original film's article also contains info on the remake.--Cúchullain t/ c  15:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. The original is clearly the primary topic. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:28, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose, as there is reasonable argument about whether either is primarytopic. Dicklyon (talk) 05:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – the original is downright obscure (i.e. mostly unknown to the public at large), the remake is only slightly less so. I don't believe there's a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:10, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No clear primary topic between these 2 obscure films. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:26, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Statistics prove that more users search for the remake, especially in the last 90 days. George Ho (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Normally, WP:RECENTISM is a bias to be rigorously avoided against, but numerically, it has won the day here. WP:FUCK may be appropriate for me at this point; someone might as well close this. Ribbet32 (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Merger proposal
I'm not sure David Szulkin's book Wes Craven's Last House on the Left is notable enough to warrant a standalone article per WP:NBOOK, and would suggest it should be merged or redirected into the main article on The Last House on the Left (1972 film). (Tagging, who created the article about the book.)--Muzilon (talk) 07:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In the absence of any dissenting voice after one month, I shall redirect the article about the book to the 1972 film article.--Muzilon (talk) 11:28, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Soundtrack
This article features no information about the films soundtrack. Charles Essie (talk) 16:58, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oops! It actually does. Never mind! Charles Essie (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 9 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move, while removing the dab page  (t · c)  buidhe  23:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

– This film is the main subject of this name. The remake is not of anywhere near equal notability as this film. The last move discussion was mared by recentism. The remake has no legacy and is pretty widely held to be unremarkable.★Trekker (talk) 18:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. JHunterJ (talk) 13:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The Last House on the Left (1972 film) → The Last House on the Left
 * The Last House on the Left → The Last House on the Left (disambiguation)
 * Oppose. Per |The_Last_House_on_the_Left_(2009_film) this graph, the difference in pageviews is too small for either the 1972 film or the 2009 remake to be considered a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. El Millo (talk) 19:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC) Neutral: Betty Logan's proposal seems reasonable, but I'm still not sure on which page the hat note should be. I'm closer to supporting than opposing though. El Millo (talk) 23:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support the page move / Delete the disambiguation page While I take Facu-el Millo's point on board there are only two pages to consider here. A disambiguation page is unnecessary. If you moved the original film to the main page and provided a hatnote to the remake then you eliminate the second click for roughly half of all visitors. Those seeking the remake are not left at a worse disadvantage than before. I would also say there is the issue of WP:RECENTISM to consider. A film that is 50 years old is getting almost as much traffic as a film that is only 10 years old, so the original has probably established some long-term significance. Betty Logan (talk) 16:13, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per El Millo and stats provided. Furthermore, on daily basis, sometimes the 2009 remake received a lot more views. Furthermore, their historical significances may not outbalance one another, even when the original was made decades ago. I don't see hints or indications of one movie making tremendous cultural impact, despite graphic scenes leading to censorship, which have been common to other movies over the years. George Ho (talk) 06:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support the page move and delete the disambiguation page per Betty Logan. The remake is basically a subtopic of the original, rather than being ambiguous to it. Any disambiguation needed can therefore be accomplished in a hatnote. BD2412  T 20:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per George Ho – nothing wrong with the current arrangement. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:54, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support the page move and delete the disambiguation page. A disambiguation page is not required here, with the 1972 film the primary topic at the base name and a hatnote to the other film. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. The original film has clear long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support page move and deleting the disambiguation page. Furthermore, there are numerous results in Google Books and Google Scholar that demonstrates long-term significance for the older film. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 12:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestions for additional explanatory notes
The excerpt from the review in The Daily Dispatch by Brian Nelson mentions the non-existent Cy Dung Award. I suggest that, for the benefit of readers who are unfamiliar with Major League Baseball, a note be added that this presumably is a pun on the name of the Cy Young Award. I don't imagine a source can be found for this, though. At the end of the section, Home media, it states that the limited edition Blu-ray box set released in 2018 includes "new interviews with cast, crew, and associates of Craven". I wondered why an interview with Craven wasn't included. It turns out he had died in 2015. A note would spare readers a trip to Wikipedia's biography of him. —71.105.198.152 (talk) 21:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:William Ward, 2nd Earl of Dudley

Naming
The removal of middle names of peers goes too far! I have always heard of him as William Humble Ward, not just "William Ward". john k 17:21, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to move it back. john k 17:22, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Regardless of what you hear, the inclusion of middle names in the titles of biographical articles is only justified when (a) that is the form by which they were commonly known (eg, Martin Luther King) or (b) when it is necessary for disambiguation. Neither is the case here. Adam 23:52, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

On what basis do you contend that "William Humble Ward, 2nd Earl of Dudley" is not the form by which he was commonly known? In Ulysses, he is called "William Humble, Earl of Dudley," for instance. The article on him at the ODNB is titled "William Humble Ward, 2nd Earl of Dudley". So does the list at the official Australian government site. Most of the ordinary encyclopedias (encarta, britannica, columbia) don't seem to have articles on him, so one can't compare. But my point that "I have always heard of him was William Humble Ward" was meant to mean "William Humble Ward is the form by which he is commonly known". This is, of course, in a limited context, because he is normally known as "Lord Dudley" or "the Earl of Dudley". But when his name is listed, it is as "William Humble Ward" not as "William Ward". john k 02:10, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The statement "William Humble Ward is the form by which he is commonly known," is simply untrue, as you in fact acknowledge in your next sentence. Peers are never "commonly known" by their names, let alone their middle names. As you say yourself, in his lifetime he was usually called Lord Dudley. How his name is listed in other encyclopaedias or elsewhere is not relevant. Adam 07:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes, he is normally called Lord Dudley. But in contexts where his whole name is mentioned, he is usually called "William Humble Ward, 2nd Earl of Dudley," not "William Ward, 2nd Earl of Dudley". Since this is a context where his whole name is mentioned, there is no reason not to follow that. I'd add that, at least at the moment, the Naming conventions (names and titles) page uses, as an example of how to title peerage articles, Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston. Which is an analogous situation, no? At any rate, perhaps this issue should be brought up on the naming conventions talk page, since the question of how often to remove middle names of peers has come up before. john k 16:38, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I fail to see why peers need to have their full names in the titles of their articles while everyone else makes do with their "ordinary" name. Why not Anthony Charles Lynton Blair? Adam 19:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Peers don't need to have their full names in the titles. The question is under what circumstances they should. Your opinion would seem to be that it is only appropriate when they were well known before becoming peers and in that capacity were known by their middle names. My position is that in such instances the middle name should be used, but also in instances where they were not well known before becoming peers, but that, in their capacity as peers, their middle name is usually used when their whole name (and not just peerage title) is referred to. People who are famous before becoming peers, but not with their full names, should remain where they are - e.g. Frank Pakenham, 7th Earl of Longford. john k 20:18, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'll add that I've started a discussion of this at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles). I hope I summarized your position fairly, although that can of course be difficult to do. john k 20:20, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Lord Lieutenant of Ireland
Infobox says he was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland until 5 October 1906 while the text says 1905. 1905 must be correct. I've changed to 11 December 1905. Nigej (talk) 14:23, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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Tomyris

Tomyris (Saka: *Taumuriyaʰ; Τομυρις; Tomyris ) also called Thomyris, Tomris, or  Tomiride, is known only from the Greek historian Herodotus. According to him, she reigned over the Massagetae, an Iranian Saka people of Central Asia. Tomyris led her armies to defend against an attack by Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid Empire, and defeated and killed him in 530 BC. She had his severed head placed in a bag or bowl filled with blood, saying to it "There: drink your fill of blood!"

She is not mentioned in the few other early sources covering the period, especially Ctesias.

Tomyris became a fairly popular subject in European art and literature during the Renaissance. In art the usual subject was her receiving the head of Cyrus, or putting it into the blood-filled container. This became part of the Power of Women group of women subjects who triumphed in various ways over men.

Name
The name Tomyris is the Latin form of the Ancient Greek name (Τομυρις), which is itself the Hellenisation of the Saka name *Taumuriyaʰ, meaning "of family" derived from a cognate of the Avestan word taoxman  and of the Old Persian word taumā (𐎫𐎢𐎶𐎠), meaning "seed," "germ," and "kinship."

Background
Tomyris was the widow of the king of the Massagetae, whom she succeeded as the queen of the tribe after he died.

War with Persia
When the founder of the Persian Achaemenid Empire, Cyrus, asked for the hand of Tomyris with the intent of acquiring her kingdom through the marriage, she understood Cyrus's aims and rejected his proposal. On the advice of the Lydian Croesus, Cyrus responded to Tomyris's rejection by deciding to invade the Massagetae.

When Cyrus started building a bridge on the Araxes river with the intent of attacking the Massagetae, Tomyris advised him to remain satisfied with ruling his own kingdom and to allow her to rule her kingdom. Cyrus's initial assault was routed by the Massagetae, after which he set up a fancy banquet with large amounts of wine in the tents of his camp as an ambush and withdrew.

Death of Spargapises
The Massagetae, led by Tomyris's son and the commander of their army, Spargapises, who primarily used fermented mare's milk and cannabis as intoxicants like all Iron Age steppe nomads, and therefore were not used to drinking wine, became drunk and were easily defeated and slaughtered by Cyrus, thus destroying a third of the Massagetaean army. Spargapises had been captured by Cyrus, and, once he had become sober and understood his situation, he asked Cyrus to free him, and after Cyrus acquiesced to his pleas, he killed himself.

After Tomyris found out about the death of Spargapises, she sent Cyrus an angry message in which she called the wine, which had caused the destruction of her army and her son, a drug which made those who consumed it so mad that they spoke evil words, and demanded him to leave his land or else she would, swearing upon the Sun, "give him more blood than he could drink."

Death of Cyrus
In the account of Herodotos (contradicted by various other sources), Tomyris herself led the Massagetaean army into war, and, during the next battle opposing the Massagetae to the forces of Cyrus, Tomyris defeated the Persians and destroyed most of their army. Cyrus himself was killed in the battle, and Tomyris found his corpse, severed his head and put it in a bag filled with blood while telling Cyrus, "Drink your fill of blood!"

Aftermath
According to another version of the death of Cyrus recorded by Ctesias, Cyrus died in battle against the Derbices, who were either identical with the Massagetae or a Massagetaean sub-tribe: according to this version, he was mortally wounded by the Derbices and their Indian allies, after which Cyrus's ally, the king Amorges of the Amyrgians, intervened with his own army and helped the Persian soldiers defeat the Derbices, following which Cyrus endured for three days, during which he organised his empire and appointed Spitaces son of Sisamas as satrap over the Derbices, before finally dying.

Little is further known about Tomyris after the war with Cyrus. By around 520 BCE and possibly earlier, her tribe was ruled by a king named Skunxa, who rebelled against the Persian Empire until one of the successors of Cyrus, the Achaemenid king Darius I, carried out a campaign against the Sakas from 520 to 518 BCE during which he conquered the Massagetae, captured Skunxa, and replaced him with a ruler who was loyal to Achaemenid power.

Legacy
The history of Tomyris has been incorporated into the tradition of Western art; Rubens, Allegrini, Luca Ferrari, Mattia Preti, Gustave Moreau and the sculptor Severo Calzetta da Ravenna are among the many artists who have portrayed events in the life of Tomyris and her defeat of Cyrus and his armies.

Eustache Deschamps added Tomyris to his poetry as one of the nine Female Worthies in the late 14th century.

In Shakespeare's earliest play King Henry VI (Part I), the Countess of Auvergne, while awaiting Lord Talbot's arrival, references Tomyris (Act II, Sc. iii).

Shakespeare's reference to Tomyris as 'Queen of the Scythians', rather than the usual Greek designation 'Queen of the Massagetae', points to two possible likely sources, Marcus Junianus Justinus' "Abridged Trogus Pompeius" in Latin, or Arthur Golding's translation (1564).

In 1707 the opera Thomyris, Queen of Scythia was first staged in London.

The name "Tomyris" also has been adopted into zoological taxonomy, for the Tomyris species group of Central American moths and the Tamyris genus of skipper butterflies.

590 Tomyris is the name given to one of the minor planets.

The present-day country of Kazakhstan has adopted Tomyris as its national heroine and issues coins in her honour.

In popular culture

 * Toʻmarisning Koʻzlari (The Eyes of Tomyris) is a 1984 book of poems and stories by Uzbek author Khurshid Davron.
 * Toʻmarisning Aytgani (The Sayings of Tomyris) is a 1996 book of poetry by Uzbek poet Halima Xudoyberdiyeva.
 * The Kazakhstani film studio "Kazakhfilm" released the film Томирис (Tomyris) in late 2019. She is portrayed by Almira Tursyn.
 * Tomyris leads the Scythian civilization in the 2016 4X video game Civilization VI developed by Firaxis Games.
 * Washington D.C.-based, female-fronted, heavy metal band A Sound of Thunder, features a song titled "Tomyris," based on the historical figure, on their sixth full-length album It Was Metal released in 2018.

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Iso
Regarding your edit to Iso, please note that that is a disambiguation page (i.e.: people going there want to be told the differences between the usages of iso and easily be able to get to the usage they are interested in).

The info you have added in that edit appears to be actually be about the International Organization for Standardization as opposed the three-letter word and its disambiguation, and you seem to have removed information useful for disambiguation.

Please discuss on Talk:Iso. I will leave it as is for now because I've made further edits to the page since yours and there may be areason for your edit.

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 14:45, 2005 Mar 26 (UTC)

Markus:  Please see my request regarding default date and time format. You might be interested, and might know how to get this change implemented. I'm amazed they thought anything besides this should be default for an international information system. It obviously should be the default for the default logged-in skin, logged-out skin, and four-tilde string. A person shouldn't have to log in just to see dates displayed in standard format. But, at any rate, logging in won't fix the arbitrary, mixed-up date/time formats in talk page signatures. Very illogical. It needs to be switched to the international standard. --Simian, 2005-09-08, 05:29 Z

ISO 5775
Hello!

The text of the article ISO 5775 is a verbatim copy of the article on your personal homepage. Because it describes an international standard, I am not sure whether it should be flagged as a copyvio. Seeing as I have the rare opportunity to speak directly to the copyright owner, I want to ask you what should be done about it. — J I P | Talk 09:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * What is the problem with me donating this text to Wikipedia? I'm confused and have no clue what you worry about here. Markus Kuhn 09:42, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Aww, crap, sorry about that. I did not realise it was you who wrote the Wikipedia article. I must have made a mistake checking the edit history. Forget about it.   — J I P | Talk 10:22, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Tron
Hallo Markus Kuhn, du hast wahrscheinlich vor einigen Wochen die Kontroverse und den Gerichtsprozess (den afaik ersten der Wikipedia) um die Nennung des bürgerlichen Namens von Tron in den entsprechenden Wikipedia-Artikeln mitbekommen. Nach dem Urteil des Berliner Amtsgerichts, das die Auffassung von Wikimedia Deutschland bestätigt hat, und einigen sich anschließenden Diskussionen ist in der Sache vorerst Ruhe eingekehrt. Der Anwalt der Eltern hat jedoch angekündigt, in Berufung gehen zu wollen, und wir haben dieses Wochenende einen Workshop der deutschen Wikipedia, bei dem unter anderem dieser Fall (und allgemein die Frage, an welchen ethischen Prinzipien sich Wikipedia in solchen Angelegenheiten orientieren sollte) breit diskutiert werden wird.

Weshalb ich mich an dich wende: Tron hat offenbar damals mehrere Mails an tv-crypt geschrieben, die er mit seinem vollen Namen und weiteren persönlichen Angaben unterzeichnet hat (am 24. Februar 1995, 17. Juni 1996, 24. Juni 1996 und 20. Mai 1997; Burks hat diese Mails auf seiner Website veröffentlicht, mit unkenntlich gemachtem Nachnamen.) Was mich in diesem Zusammenhang interessieren würde:
 * Wie viele Abonnenten hatte die Mailingliste in diesem Zeitraum ungefähr?
 * Gab es damals auf dieser Liste auch Poster, die nur unter Pseudonym auftraten, oder war es vielleicht im Gegenteil (entsprechend den Usenet-Gepflogenheiten) verpönt, den bürgerlichen Namen zu verschweigen?

Eine Antwort auf diese Fragen und vielleicht darüber hinaus eine persönliche Einschätzung der Frage, wie wichtig Tron selbst damals die Geheimhaltung seines Klarnamens war - von dir als jemandem, der einerseits Tron persönlich und fachlich kannte, andererseits vielleicht ein wenig mehr Distanz hat als beispielsweise die Betreiber von "Tronland" - wäre ein wertvoller Beitrag zu der ganzen Diskussion (vergleiche auch die Behauptungen über Trons Intentionen hier und hier). Ich könnte es aber auch voll und ganz verstehen, wenn du dich aus dieser leidigen Angelegenheit komplett heraushalten möchtest :-/

Grüße, High on a tree 10:06, 4 April 2006 (UTC) (=de:Benutzer:Hoch auf einem Baum)

 * Die TV-Crypt mailing list (gegründet 1994-04-11 von Luca Bertagnolio und mir) war eine geschlossene invitation-only mailing liste, auf der es üblich war dass neue Mitglieder sich mit vollem Namen und kurzer Biographie vorstellen. Der Grund dafür war (a) dass einige Teilnehmer bedenken hatten, dass Hersteller von pay-TV Systemen gegen sie vorgehen könnten, und (b) dass die Szene voller technisch weniger qualifizierter Leuten war, die versuchten aus allem was sie in die Finger bekamen sofort Geld zu machen. Was die genaue Zahl der TV-Crypt Mitglieder angeht müsste ich erst in mehr als 10 Jahren alten Mailarchiven (z.T. auf staubigen QIC Magnetbändern) nachforschen, aber es waren glaube ich nie mehr als 100 Leute. Boris war seit Februar 1995 auf der Liste und hat sich am 24. Februar 1995 mit vollem Namen vorgestellt. Er hat insgesamt nur eine sehr kleine Zahl von TV-Crypt Emails geschickt (vier klingt realistisch), die er aber jedes mal sowohl mit seinem vollen Namen als auch mit TRON unterzeichnet waren. Ich kann mich nicht daran erinnern, dass Boris jeh aus seinem Namen ein besonderes Geheimnis gemacht hätte. Er war kein besonderer Freund von Email (oder von schriftlicher Kommunikation generell) und hat es stets bevorzugt, mit Leuten telephonisch Kontakt aufzunehmen. Er hat mich im Zeitraum 1994–1996 mindestens 30–50× angerufen, und sich immer mit "Tachjen, hier ist Boris" gemeldet. Den Pseudonym TRON kannte ich eher als ein Logo das er auf seine Platinen geätzt hat. Wir haben oft stundenlang miteinander telephoniert und uns 2× getroffen, zur CeBIT 1995 in Hannover und zur IFA 1997 in Berlin. Die ganze Diskussion um den deutschen Wikipedia Eintrag über Boris habe ich natürlich mit großem Interesse und Erstaunen gelesen, aber angesichts der wallenden Emotionen die da aufkommen, halte ich mich da lieber etwas zurück. Markus Kuhn 13:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Electrical wiring (UK)
Perhaps I'm being stupid. I've always known the BRown/BLue mnemonic for wiring a plug - though it has been some time since I last had to do that. But I don't see how the harmonised colours for fixed wiring are relevant to this mnemonic. I suppose the holes for the plug pins are bottom-left/bottom-right but the main purpose for the mnemonic is surely to aid wiring. For the purposes of wiring, the MK double-socket I have in front of me has the L - E - N terminals in that order when viewed from the front/above with the socket just removed from the wall. All the terminals are at the same height. Other socket designs vary from this. I think it is worth mentioning the mnemonic, just not in this section. Cheers, Colin°Talk 20:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

ISO 8601 time designator
Recently in the article on ISO 8601, there was a discussion about the form of the time designator. The standard prescribes a letter T between date and time, but allows to omit it. I have always interpreted this as to replace it by a space. However, elsewhere in the standard is written that a space in a representation is never allowed. This would lead to an allowed form of 2006-07-1107:25Z and forbid 2006-07-11 07:25Z. In your summary you use the form with space. Can you substantiate this decision? I would be very reluctant to use the form without space. −Woodstone 07:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * ISO 8601 allows you to store date and time in separate fields. I see nothing wrong with separating these fields with a space, but the exact choice of field separator is outside the scope of ISO 8601. Markus Kuhn 07:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The letter "T" seems Latin-centric. I have always used a space, almost as a form of civil disobedience.... – Kaihsu 19:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The ISO 8601:2000 version states "5.3.1.5 If the time of the day is represented in basic format in a context that does not clearly identify a time only expression, the time designator [T] shall be used immediately in front of the presentations defined in 5.3.1.1 through 5.3.1.3." and "5.4.1 Complete representation ... The character [T] shall be used as time designator to indicate the start of the representation of time of the day in date and time expressions. The hyphen [-] and the colon [:] shall be used, in accordance with 4.5, as separators within the date and time of the day expressions respectively, when required. NOTE By mutual agreement of the partners in information interchange, the character [T] may be omitted in applications where there is no risk of confusing a combined date and time of the day representation with others defined in this International Standard.". I'm not sure if this has changed in the ISO 8601:2004 (latest version, not made available for free). Nsaa 14:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

FE-Schrift
Thank you for contributing this article! I have announced it at Portal:Germany/New article announcements and on Portal:Germany. Please announce your relevant new articles there. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 13:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:EN-13402-example-hiviz.jpg
I've just uploaded your picture Image:EN-13402-example-hiviz.jpg to Commons at so it can be used by other languages. Regards Nsaa 14:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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I created the original Image:ECG_Paper.jpg using PowerPoint. Could you please credit me under the image summary? This was a time consuming graphic. Thanks, MoodyGroove 14:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Image:Karen Spärck Jones.jpg
Hello,

I am a little bit surprised by the licencing of this image, could you proved a source and a justification that University of Cambridge has released this image under Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Licence ?

Thank you very much in advance. Rama 15:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Apologies, for some silly reason I failed to read "Release of this photograph under CC 2.5 Attribution was granted on 4 April 2007 to the uploader by Tim Holt, Deputy Head of Communications, Office of Communications, University of Cambridge.". Rama 15:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Binary Prefix Image Deletion
You might want to weigh in on the from the Binary Prefix page  Tom94022 23:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

MOS and capitalisation
That's a good solution. Tony  (talk)  14:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Hard spaces discussion; also, greetings!
Hi Markus, this is just a note to say thanks for your suggestion over at Noetica's page, and to point out that they're not accepting new suggestions over there until after the current vote, and to point you to my current response on my talk page. While I'm here, I notice we have a lot in common...in addition to our interest in MOS discussions, I am currently staffing the #wikia-de channel, and I adopted robots.wikia.com. So...freut mich, dich kennenzulernen :) — Dan Dank55 (talk) 20:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hard spaces again
Markus, your contribution at our little development page User:Noetica/ActionMOSVP was appreciated. I hope you'll come back and take another look, now. Your expert input and support would be extremely valuable.

–  Noetica ♬♩ Talk 07:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

GL
Could you check the SVG of the ring circuit diagram produced on the graphics lab after your request and comment on it or, if it is correct, close the request as done? Thanx, 68.39.174.238 (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Just dropped by to say hi and to make a somewhat unusual commend/request; I think you should consider adding back some of your personal interests (as appeared in your old home page). That "torturing innocent pianos" was brilliant. --157.228.x.x (talk) 08:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

pH
Hi Markus. You recently restored some text to the pH article, but I think you might have made some mistakes in doing so. Have a look at the current version to see what I mean. The text you added appears to be part of a larger block that includes a hyperlink. The added text only shows part of this and is indented for no reason that I can understand. Anyway, thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer. Cheers, --Plumbago (talk) 08:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. There's been some pH talkpage debate about the pH article's intro. I drafted a potential new version but, not being a chemist, am reluctant to swap it into the article without have a more discerning eye cast over it first. If you've got a minute ... ;-)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
Hi,

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We are also in the process of forming a new UK Wikimedia chapter to replace the soon to be folded old one. If you are interested in helping shape our plans, showing your support or becoming a future member or board member, please head over to the Wikimedia UK v2.0 page and let us know. We plan on holding an election in the next month to find the initial board, who will oversee the process of founding the company and accepting membership applications. They will then call an AGM to formally elect a new board who after obtaining charitable status will start the fund raising, promotion and active support for the UK Wikimedian community for which the chapter is being founded.

You may also wish to attend the next London meet-up at which both of these issues will be discussed. If you can't attend this meetup, you may want to watch Meetup, for updates on future meets.

We look forward to hearing from you soon, and we send our apologies for this automated intrusion onto your talk page!

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Cambridge meetup!
Hi, this is just to let you know of a proposed Cambridge meetup - suggested dates currently Saturday 18 October or Sunday 19th October. If you're interested, please give an idea of which day might be best for you there - & if you know of anyone else who might like to attend do let them know! Cheers, Dsp13 (talk) 14:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

ISO 31-0 and the meaning of “italic”
The article ISO 31-0 states that “Symbols for quantities are set in italic type, independent of the type used in the rest of the text.” Does this mean just using an oblique font, or literally using a true italic (i.e., oblique and cursive) font? Recent ISO standards seem to take “italic” literally; the standards use sans-serif typeface for the main text but use a serif italic font for all quantity symbols, despite using sans-serif upright font for numerals and descriptive subscripts, in displayed mathematics as well as inline with the text. An example from ISO 12232:1998 (I don't have the 2006 version):

 * {| cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0

 * rowspan=3|$H$ =
 * π$Tv$cos4$θ LtF$2
 * rowspan=3| + $H$f.
 * align="center"|4$A$2$i$2
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 * align="center"|4᙭᙭᙭2᙭᙭᙭2
 * }
 * align="center"|4᙭᙭᙭2᙭᙭᙭2
 * }

I am told that the soon-to-be-released ISO/DIS 80000-1 gives similar examples.

Is this indeed the intent of ISO 31-0? The examples in the article use sans-serif oblique; is this just a concession to Wikipedia style? JeffConrad (talk) 08:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Meetup/Cambridge 2
Provisionally scheduled for Feburary 28. Comments welcome, & seeing you there even better! Dsp13 (talk) 18:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup
The second Cambridge meetup is confirmed for this Saturday, 3pm, at CB2 on Norfolk Street: Meetup/Cambridge 2. Hope to see you there. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:06, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Date format
I was taught to use dates of the format "December 31st" more than 50 years ago, long before Bill Gates, and when computers still used valves and seldom processed words. There was absolutely no American influence on my education, so I'm convinced that this is an older British tradition. However, I'll do some research before reverting your edit.  D b f i r s   08:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I've added some examples of British uses to the talk page, and made a small change to your edit (retaining most of it). I hope this meets with your approval.    D b f i r s   10:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Meetup confirmed
The third Cambridge meetup is confirmed for the Free Press pub, 12.30 pm on Tuesday 28 April. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

IEC 60906-3
I saw you wrote the initial text of the IEC 60906-1 article. Do you have access to pictures of the "IEC 60906-3" ELV connectors ..? Google seems a dead end. Electron9 (talk) 19:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm afraid, not. Markus Kuhn (talk) 20:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup 1 August
FYI, the fourth Cambridge meetup will occur on the afternoon of Saturday 1 August. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Bike stands
The issue of what to call bicycle stands, bicycle carriers, and luggage carriers has been raised here. I seem to remember that you invoked some sort of international standard, but I can no longer find any details of that. Would you care to chime in now? -AndrewDressel (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge November meetup
Set for Saturday 14 November, 3 pm, CB2 cybercafé on Norfolk Street. Please come along if you can: Meetup/Cambridge 5. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Meetup in Cambridge, 27 March
See Meetup/Cambridge 6 - much as before. We'd be glad to see you. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Meetup
You may well have seen a site notice about the next Cambridge meetup, this Saturday 29 May. I thought those who have been in the past should have a personal invite, too. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Cambridge Meetup 8
Meetup/Cambridge 8. You would be most welcome. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Calorie
I'm extremely tempted to revert the Calorie page back to one of your final edits around two years ago. Not only has it been degenerating steadily since then, but there seems to be a group of people actively working to make it worse. Any thoughts? Peasaep (talk) 18:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree! Markus Kuhn (talk) 08:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

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Frankie Goes to Hollywood
A good article about a band who changed European music scene and challenged attitudes to homosexuality. Plasmic Squonka! 17:34, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. This article lacks several basic requirements of an FAC: 1) No images of the band itself; not even an album cover. 2) No references. 3) No lead section. Fix these and I'll take a look at the contesnts. Jeronimo 23:09, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * object for now. this article needs some serious work... put it through peer review.  ALKIVAR ™[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 01:12, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)