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Talk:Thule Island

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There is already an article called Thule Island. Now there is one called Southern Thule. Is this the same place, just known by another name? Which is the correct name? I know nothing on this. Are they two different places? Corbeta Uruguay it is claimed, was set up on both islands, so presumably it is the same place, just with two different names.

The earlier name of 'Thule Island' is Morrell Island, after Captain Morrell whose voyages were published in New York in 1832. Morrell, Cook and Bellingshausen are so close together, compared with the other islands strung out along the chain, that these three are collectively known as Southern Thule. Ignorant of the detailed geography of such a remote area, the unwary assumed 'Southern Thule' was an island, instead of a group of three.

This page Corbeta Uruguay says that Southern Thule is in the South Shetland islands, but there is no mention of it in the South Shetland Islands page. Completely wrong.

Corbeta Uruguay is Port Faraday in the lee of Morrell Island in the Southern Thule group of the Sandwich Islands.

In the article Southern Thule it states that the islands are in the Sandwich Islands. Something seems to be wrong somewhere, but I don't know enough about the subject to correct the mix up. --Monk Bretton 00:31, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I propose to merge this page with Southern Thule, which is a more complete article about the same place. Quite right. Would anyone object? No. Jonathunder 14:36, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)

There are two Thules! Some very old maps refer to Iceland as Thule or Thyle. They also seem to show another land mass (maybe the Faroe Islands) as being much larger than it is today, although the maps are seriously inacurate. The Shetland Islands are South East of Iceland and the Faroe Islands, so there is a connection here.

The Mercator Globe http://hcl.harvard.edu/mercatorglobes/ shows Iceland labeled "Thyle".

The Giovanni Magini map of Atlantic Islands, circa 1597 http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/Places/atlantic_islands.htm shows Iceland labeled "Thule".

James Norton Sept. 7 2005

Another island called "Morrell Island"
Read the last paragraph at if you understand German. Is there another island with the same name, or was it one of Morrell's hoaxes? 03:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Free image?
Don't suppose anyone has an image of the island to add to the article? Understandably, procuring a free image of such a remote island might be difficult, but even a satellite photo would be a welcome addition. Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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James Weir House

The James Weir House (also called the Weir-McNeeley House) is a historic building formerly located in downtown Tazewell, Tennessee, United States.

It was built by James Weir around 1830 as a two-story single-pen log structure, consisting of American chestnut logs on a limestone foundation. The log frame is covered with siding.

In various times in its history, the house has served as a post office, store, inn, Civil War hospital, and library. In 1977, Samuel Gene McNeeley inherited the house from his parents, who had lived in it since 1920.

In 1979 the house was added to the National Register of Historic Places. The following year, McNeeley, a physician who lived in nearby Norris, Tennessee, sold the house to the Claiborne County government, on the condition that it be used as a library or museum. A library was opened in the house in 1982 and operated until about 2000.

In 2003 the library's board of directors opted to vacate the property, citing space concerns and the near-prohibitive cost of upkeep. In September 2004 the Claiborne County commissioners voted to return ownership of the house to Dr. McNeeley (who died in 2005).

The house was purchased in 2007 by Eleanor Yoakum and moved to her farm south of Tazewell. It was being restored to its original condition by Verlin Singleton. The restoration was expected to be completed early in 2008, after which the house was to be open to the public by appointment only. The house was removed from the National Register in 2021.

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Talk:Southern Thule

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There is already an article called Thule Island. Now there is one called Southern Thule is this the same place, just known by another name? Which is the correct name? I know nothing on this. Are they two different places? Did the Argentinians set up two seperate bases?

 * No, there were not two separate bases. The two separate articles are about the same island. I propose we merge them here, to Southern Thule, since that is the more complete name, and let Thule Island be a redirect. Jonathunder 14:57, 2005 Apr 24 (UTC)

This page Corbeta Uruguay says that Southern Thule is in the South Shetland islands, but there is no mention of it in the South Shetland Islands page. In the article Southern Thule it states that the islands are in the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. Something seems to be wrong somewhere, but I don't know enough about the subject to correct the mix up. --Monk Bretton 00:32, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Another island called "Morrell Island"
Read the last paragraph at if you understand German. Is there another island with the same name, or was it one of Morrell's hoaxes? 03:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Similarity to material from Simon Winchester's Outposts
I wonder if anyone has noticed that this article bears a striking resemblance to the first three pages of Chapter 1 of Simon Winchester's book Outposts - Journeys to the Surviving Relics of the British Empire? Is there a copyright issue here?

NPOV
"The Argentine action, which was nothing less than a military invasion (and occupation) of sovereign British territory"

How can anyone honestly believe Britain had a sovereign right to this territory? The word sovereign means "supreme rule" by dictionary definition and honestly if the Argentine people were able to establish a base on the island and raise their flag then it would seem the Brits did not have sovereign rule.

Colonialist non-sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.82.117 (talk) 23:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Britain claimed the islands well before Argentina, which has no case. They are part of the UK. Christopedia (talk) 22:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

British Response to Occupation
"Prime Minister, James Callaghan, ruled out sending in the Royal Marines to end the occupation, preferring diplomacy." Callaghan sent a nuclear submarine to the islands in response to their occupation, so his diplomacy included a Royal Navy task force which was sent down there. Canalwalker (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * So? As it happens most nations will deploy military forces just in case, they made no aggressive moves.  Justin talk 21:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

A peaceful solution could be a Condominium
Why don't they solve the problem in a peaceful way with a simple international law, which works perfectly and fine with Condominium?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium_%28international_law%29

I believe that both sides know that people who live there are more important than everything else, right? That's why there should be important also a second option; to ask their people with a plebiscite.

Michael.

Operation Journeyman
Wee Curry Monster has objected to addressing the previous bias on this page, i.e. by text original describing the British response to the occupation of Southern Thule thus:

 * It was not until December 1976 that the British discovered what had happened. The Argentine action became the subject of a number of official British protests, the first of them on 19 January 1977. Arrangements to legitimise the station were discussed in 1978 but failed. More than a year went by before word of the occupation of Southern Thule leaked out to the public. The then Prime Minister, James Callaghan, ruled out sending in the Royal Marines to end the occupation, preferring diplomacy. This unwillingness to project force, plus the British Government's intention to cut back the British military presence in the Antarctic for financial reasons, led the Argentine Government to believe that they could successfully occupy and annex the Falkland Islands and South Georgia, which they attempted in April 1982, sparking the Falklands War.

This gives the misleading impression that the British response did not go beyond diplomacy, and that the Falkland Islands only entered the equation some time later, with the Argentinians seeing supposed inaction over Southern Thule as evidence that they can invaded the Falklands proper. In fact, it's now well established that the Callaghan government regarded the Southern Thule occupation as a possible stepping stone to an invasion of the Falklands at the time, and responded with the deterent five-ship naval taskforce under Operation Journeyman. Prior to my edits, we had the bizarre situation that this page said one thing without citations, while Operation Journeyman said something quite different with citations. In particular, it is intellectually dishonest to talk of a supposed, "unwillingness to project force," while wilfully not mentioning the very obvious projection of force that Operation Journeyman represented. I have therefore reinstated my edits. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

 * OK thanks for clarifying your objection. I believe the article is correct in stating there was an unwillingness to eject the Argentine base (ie project force), relying on diplomacy to normalise the base.  Of itself, that was one of the reasons cited by the Junta for invading (that Britain wouldn't eject them).  However, I would agree that Operation Journeyman could be mentioned but the changes that removed the fact that the Government attempted to legitimise the situation should not be removed or the fact that sending in the Marines to remove the base was ruled out.  I don't think what you're removing to replace with the reference to Journeyman works.  In that respect you're removing material and yes I will be adding cites presently.  Wee Curry Monster talk 12:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Perhaps a citation to clarify why exactly how sending a five-ship naval taskforce constitutes an "unwillingness to project force"? Nick Cooper (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Will that do, the Official history is most illuminating in that regard. Does that satisfy your need for a cite, or am I looking for the earlier book Signals of War for how the situation over Southern Thule lead the Argentines to believe the UK wouldn't react?  Wee Curry Monster talk 11:44, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The Official History may be difficult/expensive to consult, but Signals seems more accessible, although obviously it pre-dates the declassification of the Op. Journeyman files (actually, I have a programme about Gamba-Stonehouse somewhere that I haven't watched in an age, so will have to check that, as well). One would think, though, that if it's so clear-cut, sources would be more prevalent. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have both. I suggested them as authorative reliable sources.  Curious as to what makes you think that this isn't a common comment?  Wee Curry Monster talk 12:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Because generally it seems to be that what led the Argentinians to think they could invade was what seemed to be a lack of conviction on the part of Thatcher's government, rather than the previous administration. It seems accepted - now that it is known about - that Operation Journeyman in itself was enough to deter Argentina from following up with invading the Falklands proper. The fact that the illegal base on Southern Thule wasn't evicted seems a much lesser point than the passage of several years, the change of UK administration, the annoucement about withdrawing HMS Endurance, scaling back the military presence on the Islands, a false belief in Buenos Aires that Washington would be OK with it, etc. Clearly it will have been a factor, but we can't give the impression here that it was the only or overwhelming one. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Nicky Crane

Nicola Vincenzo "Nicky" Crane (21 May 1958 – 7 December 1993) was an English neo-Nazi activist. He came out as gay before dying from an AIDS-related illness in 1993.

Neo-Nazism
Nicky Crane joined the British Movement (BM) in the late 1970s, and by 1980, he had become the BM organiser for Kent. In 1980, he attacked a black family at a bus stop near Liverpool Street station. For this act, he was convicted of unlawfully fighting and making an affray, and given a suspended sentence. Crane appeared on several T-shirts and calendars produced by the Aldgate skinhead shop The Last Resort during the 1980s. In 1981, he appeared on the cover of the Oi! compilation album Strength Thru Oi! (due to his skinhead appearance, not his racist views), with his Nazi tattoos partially airbrushed out. Garry Bushell, who chose the image, later said: "I had a Christmas card on the wall, it had that image that was on the cover of Strength Thru Oi!, but washed out. I honestly, hand on my heart, thought it was a still from The Wanderers. It was only when the album came through for me to approve the artwork that I saw his tattoos. Of course, if I hadn't been impatient, I would have said, right, fucking scrap this, let's shoot something else entirely. Instead, we airbrushed the tattoos out. There were two mistakes there, both mine. Hands up." The album was "hastily withdrawn" by Decca Records when Crane's identity and previous convictions were made public, and has since become very collectable.

Also in 1981, Crane was convicted and jailed for four years for his role in a BM-organised attack on a group of black youths arriving on a train at Woolwich Arsenal railway station in 1980. He once led an attack on an anti-racist concert being held in Jubilee Gardens in London. Pictures of him storming the stage where singer Hank Wangford was performing appeared in national newspapers; although Crane was clearly identifiable, no action was taken. Released from jail in 1984, Crane soon began providing security for the white power skinhead band Skrewdriver, and remained associated with the band and its leader, Ian Stuart Donaldson, for the rest of the decade, designing two of the band's album covers and writing the lyrics for the song "Justice" on the LP Hail the New Dawn. He was jailed again in 1986 for six months following a fight on an Underground train. In 1987, he was instrumental in setting up the neo-Nazi network Blood and Honour with Donaldson.

Homosexuality
Crane was leading a double life as a homosexual, even serving as a steward at the London gay pride march in 1986. He was a regular at London gay clubs such as Heaven, Bolts and the Bell pub. At various times, Crane had worked as a bin man, bicycle courier, and a doorman at an S&M club. He worked for the protection agency Gentle Touch, and was able to shrug off any connection with the London gay scene as just part of his security work. He also appeared in the Psychic TV music video for Unclean, and in amateur gay porn films while still a neo-Nazi activist.

In 1992, Crane admitted his homosexuality in a segment of the Channel 4 magazine show Out titled "Skin Complex". On the programme, broadcast on 29 July 1992, Crane and various other homosexuals explained why they were attracted to the skinhead scene. He was immediately disowned by his Nazi associates, including Ian Stuart Donaldson, who said: "I feel more betrayed by him than anybody else. It just goes to show that nationalism and homosexuality do not fit together, because nationalism is a true cause and homosexuality is a perversion." The same month, the UK newspaper The Sun ran an article on him entitled "Nazi Nick is a Panzi", and included a picture of Crane with his face snarling at camera, head shaved bald, braces worn over his bare torso, faded jeans, white-laced boots and brandishing an axe. Crane died from an AIDS-related illness 18 months later.

Crane's homosexuality is a central theme of Max Schaefer's 2010 novel, Children of the Sun, which follows James, a budding screenwriter in 2003 who becomes obsessed with the now deceased Crane.

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania State University

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Updated overview
'These are our proposed changes to the Pennsylvania State University article in Wikipedia. This is the overview section. We're currently working on updating the history section, too. We're looking for your comments.' LSCreasy (talk) 16:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

OVERVIEW:

The Pennsylvania State University (Penn State) is a multicampus state-related, land-grant, space grant public research university in the northeastern United States founded in 1855 with a threefold mission of teaching, research and public service. Its instructional mission includes undergraduate, graduate, professional and continuing education offered through resident instruction and online delivery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_System_of_Higher_Education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_grant_college http://www.psu.edu/ur/about/mission.html

Its University Park campus, the largest of 24 campuses across the state, lies within the Borough of State College and College Township, Pennsylvania. [See “Campuses and Physical Plant” for more information.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Park,_Pennsylvania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_College,_Pennsylvania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Township,_PA U.S. Census Bureau. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Census_Bureau

Penn State University Park is ranked among the top public universities nationally and is considered a "Public Ivy." "Best Colleges: Top Public Schools: National Universities". U.S. News & World Report. 2009. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-top-public. Retrieved 2 August 2009. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy

Penn State was an early leader in the movement for diversity, admitting its first two women in 1871 and its first African-American student in 1899. It was one of the first schools to insist on integration in athletics. [See section on Diversity for more information.] http://www.libraries.psu.edu/digital/speccolls/psua/psgeneralhistory/bezillapshistory/083s01.htm http://www.libraries.psu.edu/digital/speccolls/psua/psgeneralhistory/bezillapshistory/083s08.htm http://www.libraries.psu.edu/digital/speccolls/psua/psgeneralhistory/bezillapshistory/083s08.htm [photo of Wallace "Wally" Triplett at 1948 Cotton Bowl] http://live.psu.edu/youtube/OoCbPyPlfls [Wally Triplett video on Penn State team refusal to play at segregated Orange Bowl] http://live.psu.edu/youtube/OMB9ME4lCF8 [Wally Triplett first African-American to play in Cotton Bowl]

Annual enrollment at the University Park campus totals more than 44,000 graduate and undergraduate students, making it one of the largest universities in the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment

The university's total enrollment in 2009-10 was approximately 94,300 across its 24 campuses and online through its World Campus. Penn State offers more than 160 majors among all its campuses and administers a $1.52billion (USD, as of April 30, 2010) endowment. The university's research enterprise exceeded $765 million for the 2009-2009 fiscal year, and in fiscal year 2008 Penn State was ranked 11th among U.S. universities in research income by the National Science Foundation. http://www.budget.psu.edu/FactBook/StudentDynamic/StudentTableofContents.aspx#HeadcountEnrollment&FBPlusIndc=N http://www.worldcampus.psu.edu http://www.registrar.psu.edu/programs_majors/programs_majors_index.cfm http://www.psu.edu/oim/reports.htm http://www.budget.psu.edu/FactBook/Research2009/ExpOrgResearchSummary.asp http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf10311/pdf/tab27.pdf

The university boasts the largest student-run philanthropy in the world, the Penn State IFC/Panhellenic Dance Marathon (also known as THON), and has one of the top intercollegiate athletic programs in the nation. [See sections on THON, Student Life and Athletics.] http://thon.org http://www.gopsusports.com http://www.gopsusports.com/trads/national-champions.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directors_Cup http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/champs_records_book/summaries/combined.pdf

Penn State’s vision for the near future includes enhancing student success, continuing sustainability efforts, advancing a global presence, enhancing diversity, maintaining access and affordability, serving the people of Pennsylvania and beyond, using technology to expand access and opportunities, controlling costs and seeking additional efficiencies. http://strategicplan.psu.edu/

Daily Collegian
Would some members of this WikiProject mind taking a look this article? It underwent a major expansion recently and lots of the content seems too detailed and perhaps a bit WP:UNDUE. There are various formatting and syntax errors as well as well as quite a bit of WP:Namechecking, but it's the overall tone and excessive amount of sections (some which seem redundant (like "Prestige" and "Awards") or not really warranting such detail (like "Website redesign") that makes the article (at least in my opinion) a bit promotional in nature. Someone obviously put some time into expanding the article, but perhaps they tried to add too much. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:30, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Merge of inactive higher education wikiprojects
I'm proposing to merge this and other inactive higher education-related wikiprojects to WikiProject Higher education. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Higher education. – Joe (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marian Petre Milut

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was no consensus. Article defaults to "keep." Joyous 22:59, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

Marian Petre Milut
Vanity. Ran for public office in Romania and won 0.4% of the vote. GRider\talk 00:35, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, under the bar of notability, possible vanity. Megan1967 05:33, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wile E. Heresiarch 05:36, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. He was the presidential candidate of Acţiunea Populară, a party founded by modern Romania's one right-wing president, Emil Constantinescu. The very fact of his almost complete lack of electoral success as the candidate of this party presumably should make an interesting story. This is sort of like keeping someone because they were the Communist Party USA presidential candidate, which we certainly do. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:58, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Disagree. Delete. In many countries it is easy to start a political party with little or no support, agenda or competence (ref: last Dutch elections had half a dozen new splinter factions). These are not of themselves notable. Radiant! 09:17, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * In Romania, order to be accepted on the ballot, presidency candidates have to provide 200,000 signatures of support. Also, in order to register a party, you have to have offices in over half of the 40 Romanian counties. (these rules were made after in the early 90s, the ballot used to be a small booklet :-) Bogdan | Talk 09:40, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. He got 43 000 votes. In California, Georgina Russell got only 2 000 (out of 8 million) votes and yet we have an article about her. Bogdan | Talk 09:29, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing her to my attention. I had not made it over to the G ' s quite yet.  GRider\talk 17:12, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The fact that he got 0.4% of the vote does not make it 'vanity'. IulianU 15:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes the Pokemon Comparative Notability Test - David Gerard 15:03, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Hard to see how this qualifies as "vanity", unless we have Romanian Presidential candidates or their supporters attempting to subvert Wikipedia. Lacrimosus 22:24, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not particularly notable. JamesBurns 06:21, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Quiet Revolution

Frère Untel
"Les insolences du Frère Untel (the impertinences of Brother Somebody), which criticized the near absolute dominance of the Roman Catholic Church in Quebec." This could lead to think that the book of Frère Untel criticized the dominance of the Church, which is not the case. This book actually criticized the way people spoke and used French, and, i'm not sure for this part, the way it was taught.

Secularization: non-neutral statement
Originally, the second paragraph of the Secularization section said, “[e]fforts at modernization were held back by the conservative views of politicians and the Catholic Church's position on education.” I removed that part, because it is an editorial statement. (It is doubtful that the conservative views of politicians had much influence over the level of economic growth, and the Catholic Church’s insistence on parrochial schools did not necessarily mean that the quality of the education was bad. Such statements would have to be proven.) I don’t think anyone doubts that economic growth in Quebec was relatively slow in the postwar period, but we would need a citation, and the causes are almost certainly more complex than the paragraph originally suggested.

To fix the paragraph properly, we would need to find an economic study on Quebec in the postwar period, and then citations from serious historians or economists as regards the causes of this lack of growh. If we find a scholarly work that reasonably argues that either the policies of the Union National government or the educational practices of the Church contributed to this lack of growth, we can cite it here, but my intuition is that the causes are actually broader than that.

AthanasiusOfAlex (talk) 15:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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diplomas
The section on secularization says
 * By the early 1960s, there were more than 1,500 school boards, each responsible for its own programs, textbooks and the recognition of diplomas according to its own criteria.

Surely that should be "granting of diplomas". To recognize a diploma is to accept it as valid, e.g., for higher education or employment. Thnidu (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

This piece from catholic propaganda says: "Moreover, certain facets of the welfare state, as they developed in Quebec in the 1960s, became nationalized by virtue of Quebec's acceptance and promotion. This would include rural electrification and healthcare initiatives undertaken by Tommy Douglas in Saskatchewan twenty years earlier". Twenty years earlier?. Quebec influenced events in past age, they invented time travels?. Who wrote this garbage, a lazy irish-american catholic teenager?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.249.122.166 (talk) 14:48, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of celebrities with illicit drug history

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete (blk-cmp error). – ABCD 20:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of celebrities with illicit drug history
I vote to delete this article. It is superfluous, does not distinguish between addiction and substantial abuse on one hand and experimentation and occasional use on the other, and serves no real purpose. notime4U
 * Improperly signed, page history says: 209.179.128.200 00:37, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * This nomination wasn't completely submitted. I'm finishing the process, and I vote Keep. —Markaci 2005-03-26 T 16:59 Z

 * Keep, I find this article very interesting. I never knew that there was that many celebs who did drugs. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:40, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I say keep it too: if you feel the need to distinguish between addiction and experimentation, then that can be done in the full articles. As a list it's interesting. -- Andi.j.thomas 12.38, 17 Feb 2005 (GMT)
 * (This is this user's 2nd edit) DaveTheRed 06:21, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep...this page is a nice index of "Addiction and it's influence on the arts"
 * Unsigned, page history says: Pants7 1:51, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * (This is this users 5th edit) DaveTheRed 06:21, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ugh. This list is difficult to maintain and possibly libelous, despite the disclaimer at the top. DaveTheRed 18:32, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. How many of these names have been verified?  A possible legal nightmare, hard to maintain and verify, potentially infinite. Gamaliel 19:54, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't have much potential to become 'encyclopedic' (ie, useful). Possibly libelous to boot. Feco 22:34, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete on basis of potential libel. The article's very title is problematic in this respect. 23skidoo 00:17, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete it may be cute, but I challenge you to provide a use for it. Also, it's a legal nightmare, and poorly organized.  Assuming I want to look up Marion Barry's drug history, I'll look on his page. BigFatDave 00:58, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The term "illicit drug" is too culturally relative to have any real encyclopedic value as a criterion for list membership. There are hardcore Mormon areas in Utah where most people would consider coffee an "illicit drug"; should we list every coffee-drinking celebrity? Should we list people who drank alcohol during Prohibition? More to the point, a lot of people would object to people who use "soft" drugs, such as marijuana, being included on this list, which labels them "druggies" by implication. Whatever your views on drug use might be, most of us agree there's a huge, huge difference between marijuana use and, say, heroin addiction, so it's pretty much useless to group them together in a list like this. Lists of notable people who use(d) a specific substance, such as List of famous opiate addicts, are much more useful and encyclopedic. /sɪzlæk  ˺/  07:44, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Not to be too pedantic, but "illicit" means "illegal", which is an obvious bright line (coffee is not illegal in Utah, last time I looked). --Calton | Talk 04:21, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete another problematic, sockpuppet supported list. Jayjg (talk) 10:16, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I've implicitly expressed my opinion by editing the page so that is now a "list of famous people whose drug use has been discussed in public, together with the source citation for that discussion." Since currently none of them are sourced, I've removed every name from the page (and placed them on the talk page for the article). Interested editors can move them back when and as proper source citations are found. To keep the list from being utterly empty, I've added one name to the list, Jack London, whose hashish party while cruising in the Solomon islands is attested to by one biographer and by a photograph] from a university site captioned "Group photo from the 'Hasheesh Party' in the Solomon Islands, during the voyage of the Snark." I think the page can be kept as long as proper sources are provided for every entry. If, after a reasonable period of time, there are only a handful of such well-sourced entries, then the page should be deleted. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:19, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. not very useful, un-encyclopaedic, potentially libelous. Megan1967 05:21, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's nothing wrong with this list so long as those on it have either been arrested for posession or publicly acknowledged a prior addiction.--Centauri 06:26, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per, um, /sɪzlæk˺/ .  FreplySpang 16:59, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too long and too broad if were to be actually comprehensive, and a NPOV nightmare, to boot.--Calton | Talk 04:21, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - How many of those entries are/were based on tabloid claims or rumor mills? How many celebrities we want to sue WP for defamation? Even if the list is purged, it is potential vandal magnet or godsend for POV pushers (POV being "all celebs are narcs" and there are those who think so in this world). Possible drug use of someone famous should be handled in individual articles (in case the celeb in question has admitted the use or been sentenced for it) or possibly in the article about drug abuse or something similar - Skysmith 09:53, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It could be libel, but if they publically admit to using drugs or having used drugs in the past, there is nothing that could be done. Keep a list of sources as recommended, and delete if nothing is done to positivly change this page. --Aika 16:13, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If they publically admit to using drugs or having tried them, we have the right to the information. Its an excelent resource. I just used it for an English Speech discussing Marijuana.  I stongly suggest keeping it as long as people site their sources.--Andrew 11:09, APL 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but institute a strict rule of requiring a source Tuf-Kat 04:51, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This information is duplicated in other Wikipedia articles, the article carries a potential for libel, and the category is too broad and undefined.

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Prospero (disambiguation)

Prospero is the protagonist of The Tempest, a play by William Shakespeare.

Prospero may also refer to:

Entertainment

 * Prospero (band), a Canadian industrial rock/noise band
 * Prospero Productions, an Australian-based television production company
 * Prince Prospero, the protagonist of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death"
 * Prospero, the wizard protagonist of John Bellairs' novel The Face in the Frost
 * Prospero, the home planet of the Thousand Sons traitor legion in Warhammer 40,000
 * Prospero, a canceled video game by Valve Corporation

People

 * Philip Prospero, Prince of Asturias (1657–1661), Spanish heir apparent and son of Philip IV of Spain and Mariana of Austria
 * Pope Benedict XIV (1675–1758), born Prospero Lorenzo Lambertini
 * Prospero Alpini (1553–1617), Venetian physician and botanist
 * Prospero Amatong (1931–2009), Philippine politician and former member of the House of Representatives
 * Prospero Caterini (1795–1881), Italian Roman Catholic cardinal
 * Prospero Colonna (1452–1523), Italian condottiere
 * Prospero Colonna (cardinal) (died 1463), cardinal-nephew of Pope Martin V
 * Prospero Colonna (politician), mayor of Rome in 1899–1904
 * Prospero Colonna di Sciarra (1707–1765), Italian cardinal
 * Prospero Fagnani (died 1678), Italian canon lawyer
 * Prospero Farinacci (1554–1618), Italian lawyer and judge, noted for his harsh sentencing
 * Prospero Fontana (1512–1597), Italian painter of the late Renaissance
 * Prospero Gallinari (1951–2013), Italian terrorist and member of the Red Brigades
 * Prospero Grech (1925–2019), Augustinian friar and cardinal
 * Prospero Intorcetta (1626–1696), Jesuit missionary in China
 * Prospero Nograles (1947–2019), Speaker of the House of Representatives of the Philippines
 * Prospero Pichay Jr. (born 1950), Philippine politician and former member of the Philippine House of Representatives
 * Prospero Rabaglio, late 16th-century Italian painter
 * Prospero Santacroce (1514–1589), Italian Roman Catholic bishop and cardinal
 * Prospero Spani (1516–1584), Italian sculptor a.k.a. Prospero Clementi, Prospero Clemente or il Clemente
 * Prospero Zannichelli (1698–1772), Italian painter
 * Próspero Fernández Oreamuno (1834–1885), President of Costa Rica (1882–1885)
 * Próspero París (1846–1931), French Roman Catholic prelate and Apostolic Vicar of Nanking
 * Próspero Penados del Barrio (1925–2005), Guatemalan Roman Catholic prelate and Archbishop of Guatemala City
 * San Prospero di Reggio Emilia a.k.a. Prosper of Reggio (died 466 AD), Italian saint

Science and technology

 * PROX1, which stands for Prospero homeobox protein 1
 * Prospero (file system), a global file system based on the Virtual System Model
 * Prospero (moon), a moon of the planet Uranus
 * Prospero (plant), a genus of plants in the family Asparagaceae
 * Prospero (satellite), launched by the United Kingdom in 1971
 * PROSPERO, a database for the prospective registration of studies in medicine, social care, welfare, crime, justice and international development studies

Other

 * Prospero, California, an unincorporated community
 * Prospero (mountain), mountain in Australia
 * HMS Prospero
 * Prospero, a newspaper for BBC pensioners

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Talk:Logarithmic integral

I don't think this disambiguation page makes much sense. The logarithmic integral function is by far the most common meaning of the term. Fredrik Johansson 13:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The other meaning seems to be important, too. Scholar.google search "logarithmic integral" shows 118 references to the Koosis' book. --Kompik 06:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I am in agreement with Fred here. Without someone writing an article about this Koosis book (wow that comes up with 384 results on Google at the moment!!! So I wouldn't be too suprised if the article on this book was deleted for being unnotable :P) and since both of the other meanings are explained in the other article, this disambiguation is more of an ambiguation. I have put the merger frames on so someone can sort this out. --Jason Bell 15:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I have too questions: How do you come to the number 384? You write that both meaning are explained in the logarithmic integral function article. I wasn't able to find it. (But, as I write bellow, I agree with your arguments.) --Kompik 10:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Fredrik Johansson; this page should be for the page now at logarithmic integral function. The other probably shouldn't even be mentioned, but if it is it should only be an italic line at the top of the article. CRGreathouse (t | c) 14:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The formulation "by far the most common meaning" seems to be fair enough. I just cannot resist to say, that if something was notable enough for CUP to publish a book about it, it might be notable enough for wikipedia too. But I definitely agree with the opinion that if anyone comes to this page, he is probably looking for li(x) and Li(x). And in the present form there is maybe not enough information about the Koosis' logaritmic integral to make an article. Long story short -- I agree with CRGreathouse. --Kompik 10:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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Luo languages

The dozen Luo, Lwo or Lwoian languages are spoken by the Luo peoples in an area ranging from southern Sudan to western Ethiopia to southern Kenya, with Dholuo extending into northern Tanzania and Alur into the Democratic Republic of the Congo. They form one of the two branches of the Western Nilotic family, the other being the Dinka–Nuer. The Southern Luo varieties are mutually intelligible, and apart from ethnic identity they might be considered a single language.

The time depth of the division of the Luo languages is moderate, perhaps close to two millennia. The division within the Southern Luo language dialect cluster is considerably shallower, perhaps five to eight centuries, reflecting migrations due to the impact of the Islamization of the Sudan region.

The Luo languages are classified within the Glottolog database as follows:

 * Lwoo
 * Northern Lwoo
 * Anuak
 * Belanda Bor
 * Luwo–Thuri
 * Luwo
 * Thuri
 * Päri
 * Shilluk
 * Southern Lwoo
 * Acoli
 * Adhola–Alur–Luo
 * Adhola–Luo
 * Adhola
 * Luo (Kenya and Tanzania)
 * Alur
 * Lango–Kumam
 * Kumam
 * Lango (Uganda)

According to Mechthild Reh, the Northern Luo languages are classified as follows:

 * Northern
 * Shilluk
 * Belanda Bor
 * Bodho
 * Col
 * Manangeer
 * Thuri
 * Jur
 * Anuak
 * Päri
 * Anuak
 * Päri

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Hanan Tork

Hanan Tork (حنان ترك; born 7 March 1975) is a retired Egyptian actress and ballerina. She was born as Hanan Hasan Abdelkrim Tork (حنان حسن عبد الكريم ترك), and is credited as Hanan Tork. She has two brothers. Her father owned a factory for clothes (El Torky for female dresses).

In addition to her artistic endeavors, Hanan is a global spokesperson for the international charity. She started her career as a ballerina and completed her studies at the Cairo Ballet Institute in 1993. She then became a member of the Cairo Ballet Group and soon after moved to the Classical Ballet Group.

Biography
She began her acting career when the famous director Khairy Beshara saw her and offered her the chance to act alongside Nadia Al-Gindi in the 1991 movie "Raghbah Motawaheshah". After that the young ballerina was thirsty for more and got her next role in television series “El Awda El Akheera” having the chance to act alongside Salah Zulfikar in one of his final acting roles. Her next role was in "Be’r Sabe’ " with the director Nur Eldemerdash. Among her TV roles were parts in El Sabr F El Mallahat, El Mal W El Banun and Lan A'ish Fi Gelbab Abi. In 1993, she was offered another role on the silver screen: "Dehk We Le’b We Gadd W Hobb". Her big chance came when she was chosen by the famous director Youssef Chahine to play a part in El Mohager in 1994.

In 1997, she acted alongside the singer Mohamed Fouad in Ismailia Rayeh Gai. In the same year, she also had the opportunity to work with Chahin once again by starring in his movie Al Masir. Then in 1999, she had leading roles in Al Akhar and Fata Men Israel. Then yet another cooperation between the young star and the famous director in the box office hit Al Assefa. In 2000, the now famous actress appeared in the Ramadan serial Opera Aida. She then saw more success in the following year, with a role alongside the famous actress Samira Ahmed in "Amira Men Abdeen". She also played the leading female role in the comedy movie Ga'na Al Bayan Al Taly, opposite Mohamed Henedi. In 2001, Hanan played a role in the comedy movie Gawaz Be Karar Gomhourey. Then came her large hits Haramiyya Fi KG2 in 2002 and Haramiyyah fi Tayland in 2003. In 2007, she was nominated for Best Performance by an Actress at the Asia Pacific Screen Awards of Kas w lask film.

In 2005, the film "Dunia" by Lebanese director Jocelyne Saab was released, in which Hanan played the leading role. The movie centers around the title character Dunia, a belly dancer and poet. When the film aired at the 2005 Cairo International Film Festival, it left the audience split between those who supported the film’s call for intellectual freedom and its stance against female circumcision, and those who disapproved of the title character's desire to physically express herself through dance. It was also controversial that so many scenes were filmed in Cairo's slums, which could be seen to tarnish Egypt's international image. The film was especially controversial in Egypt for taking up the tradition of female circumcision, among other reasons; it received a good deal of attention in Europe.

In 2006, Hanan chose to begin wearing the religious headscarf, and has been very vocal about this decision. By doing so, Hanan Tork has joined a group of actresses who also made the decision, such as Hala Shiha and Abla Kamel. Despite wearing a religious headscarf, she has continued acting. In August 2012, she decided to stop acting and focus on her family, albeit with different roles. She was married previously to businessman Khaled Khatab, they divorced in 2007. Hanan Tork has stated that one of the main factors that led to her divorce was her husband's displeasure at her choosing to wear religious headscarf and was not happy with her "change in behavior" after she became religious. In 2012, she got remarried to Mahmud Malek, the brother of Muslim Brotherhood activist leader Hasan Malek. It was reported that despite her retirement, due to her past background of being an entertainer, Malek's family were against their marriage. Hanan Tork has three children from her first marriage and two from her second. Her husband owns a men's fashion boutique in Cairo.

Retirement
Hanan Tork quit acting during the Ramadan season 2012. Since then, she only participates in Egyptian cartoon movies and series via her voice.

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Wikipedia talk:Collaboration of the week/Archive 4

This page contains old talk from September 30, 2004 to january 1 2005, archived from Wikipedia talk:Collaboration of the week (previously known as Wikipedia talk:Article of the week).

Announcing a new collaboration project...Gaming Collaboration of the week!
There have been a lot of new Collaborations of the week popping up for specific subjects (such as Magic Collaboration of the Week) so, following the trend, I've put together a page for gamers to work together to collaborate on various computer and video game articles. The page, Gaming Collaboration of the week, will run similarly to COTW, but will focus on articles pertaining to gaming. If you're interested in helping out, go ahead and introduce yourself in Gaming Collaboration of the week's talk page. Please post any comments/questions/etc. there too. Thanks a lot; I hope Gaming Collaboration of the week will lead to valuable contributions on Wikipedia! --pie4all88 21:41, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Too many COTWs?
With the new regional COTWs and topic COTWs (magic, gaming, TV) is the idea getting too stretched out or will it benefit more articles? violet/riga (t) 07:38, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This expansion is the best thing to have happened in a while, IMHO. The main COTW can tend to be a beauty contest so the other variants allow focus to fall on articles that would never make it here. The ultimate aim should be to have every major article listed on FA, no? Filiocht 07:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Raul's third law would seem to suggest that these new COTWs, by appealing to people with similiar interests, will probably be more successful than the main COTW. →Raul654 07:52, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * Having looked at some of the incredibly impressive changes by very few users on some of these mini-CotWs, I'd definitely say that it's looking like you're right. Sarge Baldy 08:03, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * Cyclone Tracy being a case in point. Filiocht 08:11, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Which I just promoted to featured article :) →Raul654 08:15, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Looks like you people are suffering the same idea as the stub sorting. --[[User:AllyUnion|AllyUnion (talk)]] 06:09, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

fyi
I moved the collaboration of the week template to the talk page. This is information for editors, not readers. Pcb21| Pete 08:52, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * That action was probably not needed since any page starting with "Wikipedia:" is written to be read by WP editors. D AVODD  [[User_talk:Davodd|« TALK »]] 23:42, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * The collaborated-upon article is always in the main namespace, not the Wikipedia: namespace. Pcb21| Pete 07:01, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Congo Civil War
Over at Featured article candidates, the Congo Civil War nod is being shot down quickly. Anyone care to defend, further improve? -- user:zanimum

Fix-it part 2
I am spurred by user:zanimum's nomination of Congo Civil War to try to revive the earlier discussion of fix-its, for further rounds of collaboration needed to make an article feature-quality.

Here are a couple options, in which a previous CotW would become a new CotW, for further work:
 * Past CotW could be eligible for renomination as CotW again.
 * Every so often (maybe every other week or once a month) we could revisit either one of our better articles or one of the oldest.
 * Maurreen 05:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, following the previous discussion, I nominated Renaissance on WP:FAC as our best shot, but parts were weak so it failed. Afterwards, it was substantially restructured (parts were spun out to their own articles for good reasons) and is now not as good as it was.  Iranian Revolution is also quite good (I polished it a bit) but it still needs images before it is worth nominating.  Of the other past COTWs, nominating Congo Civil War was also a good idea, but the WP:FAC objections are valid.

 * I don't think re-nominating old COTW winners for COTW again would be very effective, and would distract from red link/stub test for eligibility. However, I think it would be a good idea to pick one of the previous COTWs each week to highlight alongside the current COTW (at the moment, we are highlighting the previous week's COTW, but this could be changed to cycle through the previous COTW from the very start - the last week's COTW is likely to be as good as COTW will get it, but picking a previous COTW would minimise the chances of "edit fatigue" and give it a second boost). -- ALoan (Talk) 11:03, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Actually, I was curious to ask what the "success" rate of CotW was. How many CotW articles become featured? --  user:zanimum

 * Two. At least two failed COTW candidates are now FAs. So not a very good hit rate, really. My own view is that a vote for an article should equate with a committment to work on that article if chosen. That way, the winner would be the article most people want to work on, not the one most people want to see someone else work on and COTW might have a better success rate. Filiocht 13:14, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

 * Indeed - sad but true. I've edited the  template to include situs inversus, the first AOTW, in the hope that it might get some more polishing (see above) with the intention that the previous COTW entry can be cycled through the list of previous COTW winners, one per week.  On the other hand, would it be better to pick the stronger candidates first? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:57, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I like ALoan's idea of cycling through the oldest CotW to highlight along the with current article. As he said, this avoids edit fatigue. I don't have a great attention span. Maurreen 16:11, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * COTW's biggest flaw is that too many well-meaning people vote for complex "big issue" or "cause" articles. On some of these, people without graduate school-level training in those areas of study really have no chance of ever writing anything to a featured article standard. Adding insult to injury, many of those same well-meaning voters never bother to stick around to help actually write the thing. For example, 41 people voted for NAACP, then only 18 editors actually contributed to it. The ratio is similar for other recent issue-oriented COTWs: History of feminism: 45/21; Congo Civil War:48/21. Whereas article that are feasible, like Signature and Junk mail expire for not being hot-button issues. D AVODD  [[User_talk:Davodd|« TALK »]] 10:13, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, everyone has some knowledge of "big issue" or "cause" articles, even if not education at a graduate level about them, and since they are all redlinks or stubs, anything at all is better than what was there already.

 * I try to contribute something to each COTW, even if only copyediting, importing information from another article page, or snippets gleaned from Google, and I (vainly) hope that everyone who votes would do the same. The balkanisation of COTW, with the many special interest COTW springing up, may help to bring people closer to the subject matter and encourage them to participate.

 * A proposal was floated a while ago to require voters to undertake to contribute to the chosen COTW (rather than, as seems to be the case at present, voting for someone else to contribute). The real problems with that, it seems to me, would be (i) enforcement (do you remove someone's ability to vote if they fail to contribute?) and (ii) tone (COTW is a focus for encouraging community effort: preventing people taking part, even if they only vote, sends out the wrong message). -- ALoan (Talk) 10:30, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Pledging
What would you say about supplementing votes with pledging (to contribute)? I suggest to introduce it gradually. First couple of months use pledge counts to break vote ties and to collect statistics, whether it will make sense to give pledges larger weight. To prevent false pledges: If someone pledges and then skips, he may be awarded with a boo-star. Mikkalai 23:51, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Sounds like it could be worth trying out. Filiocht 09:58, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * Sure, why not give it a try? Shorne 11:46, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Hmm. 45 people voted for International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.  Of those, 5 have edited it so far.  Sheesh.  Come on, people.

 * Perhaps this pledging thing is not such a bad idea. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:01, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * My own view is provided that there is no punatitive element if people fail to keep the pledge, it can only help. And it should keep the COTW page a bit smaller. I know that I have been guilty of voting for articles because I felt someone ought to do something about them, but knowing that I couldn't. Just means I'm dumping work on someone else. Filiocht 12:09, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * I always try to help, even if just copyediting, even if I haven't voted. Sigh. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:24, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I always mean to, but.... Filiocht 12:37, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * Indeed, ditto, which is why I would oppose sanctions; however, pledging without sanctions is a bit toothless, no? -- ALoan (Talk) 13:15, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Maybe an embarassment factor, then; some kind of tag to put on user talk pages saying something like:  Article name is now the collaboration of the week. As someone who pledged to help try to bring it up to Featured article standard on WP:COTW, you are now invited to to contribute to this article over the coming seven days.  I've been banging on about this committment to contribute idea for a while now and I do genuinely feel that it's the way to go. Filiocht 13:25, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

(back to the left) I rather like the tag idea, but who is going to put that tag on up to 45 user talk pages? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:09, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd expect there might be fewer if it was a pledge and not a vote. Filiocht 14:12, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, we could implement the tag idea now, and we could amend the COTW to say that a vote implies that the voter will contribute if the candidate is selected. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:12, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Didn't work with the CSB project. - Xed 18:30, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Which aspect? Tagging user talk pages, or stating that voting implied intention to contribute? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:06, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * The pledging idea. tagging user pages hasn't been tried. - Xed 20:09, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * What, like The Scarlet Letter?  -Litefantastic 18:12, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Re the pledging idea - I think it would work well. Okay, voting would go down, but not by too much, and people who contributed just to fulfill their pledge could end up contributing majorly. Lets give it a try. J OHN C OLLISON [ Ludraman] 23:23, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I guess both are worth a try. Volunteers to tag voters pages on Sunday are welcome :)  Should we just require a vote to include an implied commitment to contribute, or add a further voting category of Pledge? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:10, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I think a vote is an implied pledge. I can do some tagging on Monday mornings but am away weekends. Filiocht 11:25, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't like this idea. Not at all, not at any level. People come and help if they can. If they decided they want to and change their minds later, or simply cannot, they simply cannot. People come in and out all the time, helping where they can, and then moving on. And what makes you think that embarassing people into working is going to make them produce good results? They work if they feel comfortable. You certainly aren't going to make any friends by doing this. -Litefantastic 18:12, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, I've edited the main COTW page. I think adding a short message to each voter's page along the following lines should not be too offensive:

 * You voted for this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help [insert name here] become a featured article.

 * -- ALoan (Talk) 19:00, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * How about: they put it on their page if they want to, and it says:

''I voted for this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help [insert name here] become a featured article.''

That strikes me as being rather more democratic. -Litefantastic 01:14, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, anyone can edit a user's talk page: I can see no issues with adding an entry like my paragraph above (I don't mean a template across the top of the page, just a normal comment on a user's talk page). That doesn't too aggressive, does it? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:01, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I still like my idea better, but that doesn't mean anything. I'm not opposed to drumming up support, but I think that there are going to be a certain number of people who just don't like the idea of someone else telling them they said they would do something. I can't say it's wrong, but how many times were you happy to see your bills come in the mail? -Litefantastic 15:06, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Culture of Greece won this week (just got around to changing the directions, etc) - does anyone want to flag voters' user talk pages? (A list of voters is in the old article.) Here is a template: Template:COTWvoter to include thus:  . -- ALoan (Talk) 13:17, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I've done the first 23, but now I have to stop. I may get back to this later, if nobody else can help. Filiocht 13:32, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * All done now. Filiocht 14:13, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Please do not include the template but rather transclude (I hope this is the right term) it  to allow for updates/future weeks, etc.  Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:36, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Too Slow
An article can spend a month on this page (well, not this page; this is the talk page...you know what I mean) before it can actually be put under the torch. I think this is too long. One solution has been to create separate COTWs for different things, but I wonder if maybe we should have more than one page being worked on each week - to COTWs each week. What do you think? -Litefantastic 12:52, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * This was dicussed a couple of times before (see /Archive 3 and /Archive 1) - if I remember correctly, the consensus was that it would dilute the (rather minimal, it has to be said, at the moment) effort directed to the selected page. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:07, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * On the contrary: If someone doesn't know anything about one of the pages, he/she can just go work on the other. -Litefantastic 17:53, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, they all remain on WP:COTW as candidates, until they are pruned, even if they are not the COTW. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:20, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

(returning to the margin) I've just been looking at Culture of Greece and I think that the publicising of this article has worked well so far in attracting editors. The key thing is to get the selection process down to not more than 4 weeks (I'd actually prefer three). I think that ALoan's changes should help us get there. Do not give up on this concept just yet, guys. Filiocht 15:35, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

COTW- a flawed concept?
It seems to me that the structure of the COTW may be fundamentally flawed. There is a rather arbitrary and extended voting process, which does not tend to produce enough significant collaboration to produce featured articles on the assembly line. For example, check out recent collaboration African Union, which is a couple of basic paragraphs and a few lists, well formatted certainly, and no doubt spell-and-grammar-checked by a thousand eyeballs, but not even mentioning Muammar al-Qaddafi, whose idea the whole thing was, a fact that might make some view the proposed aims of democracy and human rights in a little different light. Now I'm not criticizing the few substantial contributors to the article (or the African Union, for that matter, which despite its dubious visionary is an organization of great promise), but it does seem clear to me that this is not much more than an individual could do.

Why do we even have votes? By the time an article can win COTW, most supporters seem to either have forgotten about it or lost interest. Not to mention articles with many votes that can never be written because of one slow week in the lengthy voting process. Now we have just one COTW at a time, often on a subject which has a limited interest base. Let's just set up an open page of collaboration proposals which can sit there for a set one or two weeks while some random team of a handful of high interest contributors can collect around it. Best of all, we have instant satisfaction, and anyone can find a collaboration they can contribute to at any time. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and a couple of dozen collaborations a week flourish.--Pharos 15:14, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree that the the number of featured articles being produced is disappointing. African Union is a poor example, since it didn't get much interest, but even then it tripled in size.

 * We really need a process to take the results of COTW and turn them into featured-quality articles. It is possible - look at Academia and Siege, and Abbey Theatre and Attila the Hun became featured, in part, because of contributions while they were COTW candidates.  The more focussed COTWs (for example, WP:UKCOTW and WP:ICOTW seem to be generating better results).  It ought to be possible to get Astrophysics, Dinosaur, Iranian Revolution, and many others featured.

 * I think there are two problems: first, it takes so long for a COTW to be picked that voters lose interest; second, people vote for issue-based articles that they think should have a decent article and which someone else should write, rather than something that they know something about and can assist with. The "pledge" approach and tagging the voters' talk pages may help.

 * In any event, there is nothing to stop the random team of high interest contributors adding to articles while they sit on the list - indeed, I would encourage it. The point is, without COTW, I and many others would not have edited African Union at all, and the page before COTW was atrocious.  (PS - please add the Gaddafi info to African Union!) -- ALoan (Talk) 15:57, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * In fairness, Abbey Theatre's FA status had nothing to do with COTW, really. I listed it here and when I saw how few votes it was attracting, I went ahead and rewrote it in my personal sandbox. Another user copyedited it at my direct request and then I listed it on Peer Review, where it attracted no comment. I then listed it on WP:FAC and dealt with any comments that came up. Maybe it was just too specialised for COTW? Filiocht 10:46, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * I sort of said the same thing above. My biggest beef is that it takes an annoyingly long time to pick an article. Does anyone have a better idea? Or maybe we should just disband this page and have a series of COTWs; one for each major branch of Wikipedia: Philosophy, Media, Math, Science, etc. The problem with this page is that not everyone who comes to it can actually help because they might not know anything about the page in question. With a page for each major heading, people would be able to work more in their fields. This is already starting to happen with the formation of the Literature, Magic, Gaming, etc COTW; I think having one big COTW is an effective but innefficient process. The breakup looks to me to be the best solution. -Litefantastic 17:58, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Articles need to be selected after 2 weeks listing, not a day longer IMHO. Filiocht 10:46, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, we could always ignore the "n votes in m weeks" thing and just impose a hard cut-off of, say, 2, 3, or 4 weeks. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:23, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Worth trying. The current system is too complex, IMHO. For articles nominated this week, the COTW is the one with the most votes in, say, 4 weeks time. The others leave the list? Filiocht 12:27, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * One problem with that approach (discussed several times before in the talk archives somewhere) is that some articles can have almost 7 days more than others to get votes. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:52, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * How about the COTW is picked after three weeks, and the remaining three-week-old articles get to stay in the noms list for one extra week? Filiocht 13:01, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

I think any of these proposals would be a wise step, as the nomination time is (I think) not helping the output of this project. From what I've seen, the really successful ones need one or more driven people who are willing to write the meat of the article, and then others seem to feel more able to chip and add bits and pieces. At the moment, it takes so long that those people have probably lost interest. For example, I was the one who nominated African Union, and I'd probably have done my best to push that along, but by the time it came up (two or three months later), I was studying for exams.

As an example, for the Australian COTW, our first project, Cyclone Tracy, became a featured article very quickly. It stalled at first, and then two of us wrote most of the article - then others joined in and added bits and pieces. Since then, the two of us have been busy with other things, and no one has really been there to drive the individual projects along - and hence, very little work has occureed. Maybe we need some sort of requirement for a certain number of people to commit to getting started and getting the meat of the article together. Ambi 13:36, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I think we ought to hold fire with any radical changes for few weeks, to see whether the user talk page "tagging" has much effect (after 1 day, Culture of Greece has been reasonably active, but it is still pretty skeletal). It is also pretty clear that, barring accidents, U.S. embargo against Cuba and Chinese art will be COTW in the next two weeks; there are only 11 other candidates right now, most of which have been listed for less than 3 weeks: this seems to be mainly due to nominations drying up, but if it carries on, the candidates should only be on the list for a few weeks before they are selected anyway. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:56, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

COTW process improvement project
There seems to be some level of interest in improving the COOTW process. Maybe we need to tap into this by creating a Wikipedia talk:Collaboration of the week/Brainstorming improvements page for people to dump their suggestions on and then run those suggestions through a selection and verification process (not simple voting!) to try to come up with an improvement plan. What does everyone think? Filiocht 16:05, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Updates
Comments welcome on any of the above. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I've streamlined the instructions, removing the 1-paragraph sections and replacing with a bulleted list.
 * I've also taken out the n votes per week comments, since the last nominations from before 1 September 2004 have been pruned or selected.
 * The page is down to 15 nominations, soon to be 12 when three get removed shortly. I think this reflects the accelerated pruning threshold, and loss of interest as it takes so long for an article to be selected at the moment: there is some feedback here and I hope this will get better - U.S. embargo against Cuba has been there for ages, but the others are only 4-5 weeks old.
 * I've wikilinked nomination and pruning dates: the new year will soon be upon us (the pruning date for Chinese art is already mid-December).
 * Good job. I support. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 14:34, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * I think that this page, and the concept behind it, are losing steam and dying. Soon, I'm afraid, the COTW will be no more. -Litefantastic 19:52, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * This voting concept is dreadfully poor. I'm not sure how to better improve it, but it is really hard to keep enthusiastic about the process when things languish for ages. But part of that is the fact that they are a collaboration for an entire week, which is quite a long time to work on one article, especially if one does not have anything to add to it. All it takes is one topic you know nothing about to get off track (there is only so much proof-reading that anybody wants to do!). If the collaborations lasted only two days, say, I think you would get about as much benefit out of it and keep people involved for a greater amount of time (perhaps more important than getting the articles to featured status: if we can turn substubs and stubs into at least somewhat respectable articles, if not the best examples of the community, I think we would be doing a great service, and could possibly move quite a lot of things off of cleanup). Well, it's an idea. --Fastfission 04:03, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

IIRC, the German, Japanese and Dutch Wikipedias have something similar to our CotW, but they focus on a subject with multiple articles instead of one article. That might be a good idea. The main benefit with it, I think, is that it allows for more flexibility in those who want to improve an article, and would be much more involved to nominate; this would thusly encourage people to improve the subject of the week and spend less time coming up with new articles for others to write about. For example, I write mostly about music, which intersects with articles on dance. I have come to the conclusion that Wikipedia's dance coverage is atrocious -- what information exists is hard to find and difficult to understand. However, there are no articles which are very suitable CotWs (except maybe choreography... maybe). Nevertheless, dance and various related articles could be much improved, and there are copious Internet resources to help, thus making it a good collaboration. I'm envisioning a nomination looking something like the below. (if anyone can fill in the details on what de, nl and ja do, please do so, as it could be helpful for us) Also, if we are talking about ways to improve Wikipedian collaboration, see the Featured Albums Project and WikiProject:World music's Phase 2 goals for some other collaboration systems I've come up with. Tuf-Kat 04:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Looks great. For example, the current "Culture of Greece" collaboration would include all the subarticles of the main theme, and many more could participate (for example myself; it's not very easy to summarize entire Greek culture, but researching the details would be easy). Support. --Farside 07:23, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I support shorter wait times and weeklong collaborations (I think that much time is needed to accomplish much, and allow everyone interested to help).
 * I disagree with CotWs on a collection of articles. CotW may be imperfect, but one advantage is the focus. Maurreen 01:24, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dance

 * Not bad - Make featured: dance, modern dance, breakdancing, ballroom dance
 * Bad - Expand, organize and improve: waltz, tango, choreography, ballet, history of dance, tap dance, postmodern dance, heavy metal dance, dance notation, square dance, circle dance, erotic dance, samba, mosh, Mashed Potato, lambada, fandango, mazurka
 * Doesn't exist - Write: ritual dance, Electric Slide, Mexican Hat Dance, dance of Russia, dance of France, dance of China, polka and flamenco (articles exist but focus on music, either make a new section or disambiguated article)
 * Organizational list - Add captions and improve coverage: List of dance style categories, List of novelty/fad dances, List of folk dances sorted by origin
 * Other tasks: interlinking is terribly inconsistent and there are confusing overlaps on general topics (e.g. kinds of dances organized by purpose, performer and/or style); very confusing relationships between Latin dances (e.g. bolero, lambada, rumba, contradanse, contradance and contradanza (and country dance, or maybe just English country dance), conga, danzon and habanera, not to mention the dozens of Latin dance fads); aside from a brief mention or two, there is little explanation of connections between martial arts and dance

Links

 * Dance basic topics
 * great resource on dozens of modern and historical dances
 * article on ballet history
 * European social dances

Opinion

 * Support because I like to dance - User1
 * Support because I like words that begin with "d" - User2
 * Oppose as an act of protest - User3
 * Oppose because I enjoy being contrary - User4

Archiving of votes and comments
Are previous votes archived somewhere after deletion from the main article page (e.g., like now, after U.S. embargo against Cuba won the race)? Mikkalai 20:51, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * No: for some reason lost in the mists of time, the records of unsuccessful votes are archived in /Removed but no details of successful votes are kept in /History other than the number of votes and days on the list. Feel free to go back and extract the voting records and comments into, say, /History/Votes ;) -- ALoan (Talk) 12:25, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tagging voter pages
If anyone wants to help me, I am starting at the top of this list and adding to eac user's talk page. If you start at the bottom, we should meet in the middle. Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:43, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Breadth and quality
I've had limited contributions to CotW, for various reasons. But I'm considering an additional form of CotW. If you’re interested, please see Breadth and quality. Maurreen 02:34, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Indian reservation vote reversal
Indian reservation's 35th vote has been retracted hours after the nominee's deadline to reach 35 votes. Should the nomination be deemed to have failed immediately or should it be given an extension (of say 24 hours) to meet the 35 vote threshold given that people who might have voted for the article might have thought it unnecessary since it seemed to be safe? What is the policy regarding vote retractions (2 have occured in this case)? Particularly what is the policy for vote retractions that would retroactively disqualify a candidate?AndyL 15:48, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I believe articles have previously been given the boot under similar circumstances. Specifically I remember Atilla the Hun being quickly removed after enough votes were withdrawn. - SimonP 17:45, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes - delete it. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:13, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I just want to state that I think it's a real shame this listing was deleted. It clearly had a great deal of support, and I think would have been a very successful COTW. I think sticking so dogmatically to the rules may have been a waste in this case. For the record, when it was first nominated, it looked like this--I'm sure the growth has been a direct result of it's nomination here. Are we really punishing people for getting a head start on improving COTW nominees? jengod 19:55, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Not at all - if an article improves while it is a candidate, all well and good, but unless we prohibit people from withdrawing their votes, it wouldn't be fair to give it special treatment.

 * Actually, thinking about it further, if the vote was withdrawn after the thresold passed, shouldn't we have left it on the list until the next threshold?

 * Anyway, I think the article is looking quite reasonable now (although obviously more could be said), but there are plenty more fish in the sea. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

New template
I'm not sure I like the new Template:FAPath - the top of the page is really cluttered now, what with the WP:COTW shortcut, Template:CurrentCOTW and Template:COTWs. Comments? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It's horrible, and not altogether accurate. How many FACs come from COTW? How many COTWs become FAs? It seems like most 'creative criticism comes when an article hits FAC, in reality. Filiocht 13:51, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I could get rid of it if you like. I thought it would be helpful. -Litefantastic 14:15, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Science COTW

 * I hate to hawk my own product here (especially since last time it was that lavender-colored template you all hate so much) but would you be willing to help out on the science COTW? I think there's endless possibility here (but then, I always say stuff like that) and all it needs is a kickstart. -Litefantastic 03:36, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Informing voters of new winner
Is there an easy way of posting messages on the talk pages of all those who voted for African art that the article has won election as COTW? (ie a way to post a message on multiple talk pages simultaneously)? Posting the same message on 25 odd talk pages is somewhat tedious. AndyL 18:36, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sectstub and Sect-stub
To anyone who is using either of these templates. Please be advised,   != (does not equal)   . Please remember to include the section number when using  . -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:09, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Pruning
The concept of pruning is fine, but there is no date on the articles up for CTOW, so how do we know when to prune? - Amgine 22:47, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Christmas
With the Christmas holidays should we delay the next COTW selection by a week until Jan 2, 2005 (and give all current nominees a one week grace period?)? I don't think a COTW for December 26 - January 2 will get very much work done on it. AndyL 17:24, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Removing a template
I don't want to be too bold on this, so I'll ask for input. Does anyone else think that maybe we should get rid of at least one template? Multiple templates + my monitor resolution = squeezed text and one headache trying to read some things. But then again, others may like the templates. So what do you think? -- The KoG | Talk 14:03, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

 * Which one? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:40, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well, the consensus above seems to be that the FAPath one was unnecessary, and one user referred to it as "horrible". So that one, I guess. -- The KoG | Talk 17:02, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

OK, I moved the FAPath template farther down the page, which should satisfy both my screwed up text and those who want to keep the template. -- The KoG | Talk 20:40, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)


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Talk:What Cheer, Iowa

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It's a nice place to be from, but I wouldn't want to live there...- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.210.150.39 (talk) 00:40, 16 February 2005 (UTC)

Been to places but...
but this name gives m one of those "huh?" moments. __earth (Talk) 07:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a great place to be from, but as far as staying there...not so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.197.105.211 (talk) 02:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Compliments
Great page, whoever wrote it. It would seem rather imperative to preserve the history of these towns... Lequis (talk) 03:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Stalked in What Cheer,Ia Well The Eyes Have It...
The drone stalking in What Cheer is very much Alive...  The Hills Still Have EYE'S!!!!!! OOl)++0plo 207.155.115.114 (talk) 01:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Post office rejects name
Mention if due to there also being a Petersburg, Delaware County, Iowa. Jidanni (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation
what shows the h- would be already gone in the American pronunciation. Jidanni (talk) 02:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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Gaius Silius (consul)

Gaius Silius (died AD 24) was a Roman senator who achieved successes as a general over German barbarians following the disaster of the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. For this achievement he was appointed consul in AD 13 with Lucius Munatius Plancus as his colleague. However, years later Silius became entangled in machinations of the ambitious Praetorian prefect Sejanus and was forced to commit suicide.

Due to an ambiguity in the Fasti Capitolini, experts such as Mommsen and Attilio Degrassi believed Silius' full name was Gaius Silius Aulus Caecina Largus. However, Arthur and Joyce Gordon pointed out that the form of this name, known as polyonymy, was unusual, preceding any other known example by fifty years, and suggested, based on admittedly less reliable sources, that this entry was more accurately read as two names: Gaius Silius, and Aulus Caecina Largus, the latter an otherwise unknown senator. Although this reading was endorsed by Ronald Syme, it was considered as only a possibility until Diana Gorostidi Pi showed an inscription she called Fasti consulares Tusculani proved these were two distinct individuals.

Biography
Silius was probably a son of Publius Silius Nerva. In AD 13, Silius was elected consul alongside Lucius Munatius Plancus. At the end of his tenure in office, he was appointed imperial legate of Germania Superior, under the overall command of Germanicus, and was the officer in charge of the four upper Rhine legions which did not mutiny upon the death of the emperor Augustus. Once the mutiny was suppressed, Silius continued to serve loyally under Germanicus, participating in the Roman retaliation campaign (between AD 14 and 16) against a Germanic alliance in the aftermath of the disaster at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. His successes earned him an honorary triumph in AD 15.

The following year, Germanicus sent Silius against the Chatti with 30,000 infantry and 3,000 cavalry, defeating them in the process, after which Tiberius appointed him as a taxation auditor in Gaul. He continued in his role as governor of Upper Germany until 21, during which year he suppressed a revolt in Gaul. A faction of Treveri, led by Julius Florus and allied with the Aeduan Julius Sacrovir, led a rebellion of Gaulish debtors against the Romans. With two legions Silius defeated Sacrovir's rebel forces (numbering 40,000), twelve miles outside of Augustodunum.

Upon his return to Rome later that same year, Silius was soon caught in the political machinations at court as part of Germanicus' faction. Through Silius's wife, Sosia Galla, the couple had become friends with Tiberius’ daughter-in-law Agrippina the Elder. Due to their friendship with Agrippina they became innocent victims of Sejanus' schemes. In the Senate, Lucius Visellius Varro (consul in 24) accused Silius of being complicit in Sacrovir's revolt, and of misappropriating money from the provincial government in Gaul. Refusing to submit a plea or to defend himself, Silius declared that had he not personally kept the legions on the Rhine from avenging the murder of Germanicus, Tiberius would have lost his position as Princeps. Faced with false witnesses swearing that he had robbed the Gallic provinces, Silius committed suicide in 24, and afterwards Galla was exiled. Galla's property was confiscated by the Senate and a portion was given to her children.

Silius had at least one son, also named Gaius Silius.

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Talk:Neanderthal/to do

 * Expand on the debate between Neanderthalensis as a separate species or sub-species of Homo sapiens

 * General Readability- In general, this article could focus initially on just how the Neanderthals were more robust physically and genealogically different from current Homo-sapiens.

 * Find peer-reviewed (etc.) source instead of current Reference #7 and remove current one.

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