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Talk:Association football culture

Revisions to local derby
Hi

I've decided to start this talk page about the revisions to local derby list - this was supposed to be a famous derby list, with the matches being from a general consensus of web pages of the most notable ones. Any new changes were supposed to be handled into the linked Local derby page.

On the last revision by 62.214.230.57 the Al-Ahly - Zamalek game has been taken out. Can anyone explain why this has been done?

Master Of Ninja 20:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And what about FC Schalke 04 vs. Borussia Dortmund? Thats definitely one of the most important european derbies. I would suggest adding it to the list. Thanks a lot. 80.130.90.193 (talk) 09:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't there any brazilian derbies? They are very important and famous. I would prefer to see Grêmio vs. Inter in the article, but at least Flamengo vs. Fluminense should be in it.

Reorganisation of the article
Hi again

This article has come a long way from where it started. Unfortunately Wikipedia is now complaining the article may be too long for comfortable viewing. So where once this article had to be split off from the main football (soccer) topic, it may be time to move sections to articles of their own. At the same time it may be good to re-organise sections, as well as re-edit them just to make them flow. Comments or suggestions? - Master Of Ninja 17:55, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Good idea. A lot of bits-and-pieces have been added to this article over a fairly short time (obviously a popular topic!), making it long and somewhat clunky. It could do with a good clean-up, removal of questionable/POV material, and heirachy re-order. Cheers, --Daveb 07:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Diving
There should probably be an article, about gamesmanship in football, or perhaps that should be ungentlemanly conduct. Also some stuff about goal celebrations. Jooler 17:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC).

 * I created an article on goal celebration. Mark272 03:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Cutting down article
The wiki edit page lists this page is over 35k and should be cut down. From an organisational point of view it does need to be a bit streamlined. Does anybody have ideas of how to go about this? We already have a subpage for a lot of sections, but other sections might need it. Plus I think a lot of the info is unneeded - we need criteria of what can be included and what not. A lot of information is just unnecessary miscellaenous overhead at the moment, and I don't think the article should be a list of everything on a particular topic. Comments? - Master Of Ninja 20:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * There is no need to limit articles to 32k anymore. The original reason for such limits was because on some older browsers couldn't keep more than 32k of text in the edit buffer. For those very few who are still using these older browsers the problem is no longer of any major concern as articles can now be edited in sections. So I wouldn't worry. We have many articles larger than 32k. Football is 52k. WWII is 91k. Jooler 02:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

AfD and merge
If anyone is interested, the previous versions of Players and politic and Clubs and politic (currently are both redirects to here) contain some material that might be interesting according to the discussion at Articles for deletion/Links between politics and football, and that could possibly be merged here. - Liberatore(T) 18:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Misbehaviour
There seems to be far too much about misbehaviour on here. Mostly centred on Premier League players and including stuff that was later found to be untrue. Jooler 03:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think like all articles it eventually degenerates into a list of 'news items' where everyone adds what they think is their own (personal) most important bit of information. When the article was first written I think there was some scandal about Premiership players, and a bit about the more famous misbehaviour cases as examples. One problem is that there are obviously more English contributors, so English news gets more priority. We need others to rebalance this. However we actually need criteria for inclusion into the article.  Any thoughts on this, or any ideas on what parts of the section to cull? - Master Of Ninja 08:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair Play
"An example of this was the Italian player Paolo Di Canio who, while not given an award, was congratulated in many sections of the football world for a very generous display of "Fair Play"" Di Canio ? Fair play ? I guess it's a joke. Kekel 11:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Whatever he did before or after, the example was quite an unexpected display of fair play for him. AFAIK (or remember) I actually thought UEFA made a special fair play award just for him. - Master Of Ninja 20:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He got a letter from Sepp Blatter, see this BBC article: . But Radebe already had that year's award --iamajpeg 21:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

How can you possibly have a feature on football culture without a section on fanzines? Good grief! Anyone going to fix it?

88.111.31.83 12:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Trading jerseys at end of match
Seems to me this article should include some history of this particular ritual. Janko 06:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)Janko

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Stress on negative aspects
In my opinion, the article stresses disproportionately the negative or questionable aspects of football culture. It seems to be highly reflecting and confirming typical American prejudices about the sport.Rudefuss (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

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New Section?
Should there be some detailed inclusion of the use of promotion and relegation in football, or is this something that is already better served in another article? Cheers. Jay eyem (talk) 17:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Religion
I want to delete this entire section. Almost every reference to any religious topic is in scare quotes ("immortal", "legendary", "god", generally linkified to point to a real thing rather than what it is: a hyperbolic term once favoured by radio announcers.

 * There's nothing especially religious about chanting, singing, dancing. These are just things that people do when they gather in groups.

 * The fact that there are no holy texts should simply go; there's no need to list all of the things that are present in some religion, but not present in football culture.

 * Travelling a long distance is not a pilgramage; long journeys are sometimes referred to metaphorically as pilgramages, but it's a figure of speech. You could argue that not all pilgrims are religious pilgrims. But then you should qualify the word pilgramage (i.e. "football pilgrimage"); but then the paragraph would make no sense.

 * The use of symbols is not something that links football and religion, any more than it links religion to corporations, political parties, bands of musicians, bands of thieves, teams of bridge players, or any other group that wants to distinguish itself; they all deploy symbols. And let's just avoid the fact that most symbols are not just pictures or labels; they are also supposed to somehow invoke their spirit or meaning.

 * Some players and some fans can sometimes be observed performing religious acts such as praying or crossing themselves; but also some people who are not involved with football can also be seen doing that. For example, some people who climb scaffolding for a job can be seen doing that. Like, I can't stick a [citation required] on this, because it's trivially true. It's a waste of time reading it.

 * The entire section is basically a citation-free zone. The citations that are present are useless. That in itself is grounds for deletion.

I'll come back no sooner than one month from now. If things are no better, and if nobody is talking to me here, then I'll go ahead and delete the section (but if you want me to hold off, just say so; I don't mean to sound heavy).

I've never really been interested in football. I came here to find some discussion of how British football afficionados 'hear' the term "soccer". I am British, and I mostly use the word "soccer". Is it simply an americanism? I use many americanisms.

If you want to comment but it doesn't belong here, feel free to use my talk page. MrDemeanour (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

 * I should add that I think there's a lot more that should be removed. A lot of the article reads like then kind of vacuous verbiage that sports journalists are paid to produce (or for that matter, that pop journos are paid to produce). The number of citable facts, as a proportion of the total words, is way too low. Come on, this isn't The Daily Express, it's supposed to be an encyclopaedia.

MrDemeanour (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Accessories and commemoration section
Wearing-kit and scarf is common association fan culture. Is this original research? What is the difference between accessories section and food and beverages section?

The commemoration section adequately supported by reliable sources. What is the problem in detail?
 * , please remember to sign your posts using four tildes: . Please read the reliable sources policy. Getty Images is a primary source; using pictures with no backup is original research.
 * In addition, the quality of your writing is poor. Sentences such as "Kit and scarf are staple accessories for football fans and wearing-kit and scarf is a significant parto f football fan culture", "Since this Admiral replica kit, replica kit market in the United Kingdom was developed.and, In the late 1990s, Kit-wearing is became a common football fan culture globally", are, not to be insulting, pretty terrible. Competence is required on Wikipedia. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

 * Accessories section
 * Firstly, I really apologize for terrible prose by my poor English writing.
 * But Here is wikipedia. Don't you know collaboration?
 * Anyway I'll will polish prose and other English native speaker users will improve prose soon.
 * Please don't worry about terrible prose.
 * Commemoration section
 * Please understand getty image soures in the context.
 * For example.
 * Taking a starting XI photograph also occured in 1930 FIFA World Cup.(I attached url of starting XI photograph in 1930 FIFA World Cup from getty image website)
 * Do you really think that this sentence is original reserch?

In Starting XI photo paragraph, getty image soures are not main sources. Main source is below source that you attached.

Footwiks (talk) 15:34, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

 * Seeing as your poor prose has been up for two months, and you have reverted every attempt by other English speakers to correct you, I have serious doubts about your ability or willingness to collaborate,.
 * I also have serious doubts about your ability to read, given, after reading WP:PRIMARY, you think a newspaper is a primary source, and that Getty Images, a platform where anyone can upload and say anything (see Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 280, Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 269) is a reliable source.
 * You were blocked in 2013 on WP:CIR issues, and it has been brought up repeatedly since. If this escalates further, I will have to ask for administrator input. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:44, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * (1)
 * Please check out the history of association football culture article throughly.
 * I didn't revert polishing or improvement of prose by other users.
 * Rather, I asked for other user's polishing or improvement of my contributions on association football culture article.
 * Therefore, User Robby.is.on polished and improved my contributions two times by my request.
 * But You ruined the section structure and deleted my detailed discriptions. So I revert and paraphrased your contributions.
 * I have also serious doubts about your ability or willingness to collaborate.

 * (2)
 * Sorry for make you misunderstood.
 * I mean. In starting XI photo paragraph, getty image soures are not main and important source.
 * In starting XI photo paragraph, main soure which support the point of paragraph is the newspaper article - "How the starting XI photo began". The Seattle Times.
 * I understand primary source and secondary source. Therefore, I complied with the below conditions.
 * A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source.
 * Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so.

I have a question about getty image sourses. Photo is a primary source and a primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts.
 * (3)
 * Please check out the clauses of CIR
 * What is meant by "Competence is required"?
 * Basically, we presume that people who contribute to the English-language Wikipedia have the following competencies:
 * the ability to read and write English well enough to avoid introducing incomprehensible text into articles and to communicate effectively.
 * the ability to read sources and assess their reliability. Editors should familiarize themselves with Wikipedia's guidance on identifying reliable sources and be able to decide when sources are, and are not, suitable for citing in articles.
 * the ability to communicate with other editors and abide by consensus.
 * the ability to understand their own abilities and competencies, and avoid editing in areas where their lack of skill or knowledge causes them to create significant errors for others to clean up.
 * What "Competence is required" does not mean
 * It does not mean "come down hard like a ton of bricks on someone as soon as they make a mistake". We should cut editors (particularly new ones) some slack, and help them understand how to edit competently. Mistakes are an inevitable part of the wiki process.
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 * After check out the clauses of CIR thoroughly.
 * In my humble opinion, I am not an incompetent user. Of course, You can think that I am an incompetent user and want to ask for administrator input. It's OK. I don't care.
 * Anywany, Thanks for your advice.

Do you think that photos from gettyimage website are not reliable? In other words, Gettyimage website may have fake photos.

For example, you think that this photo may not Brazil national football team full squad photo in 2002 FIFA World Cup final

If I use same photos from FIFA website or football magazin website, Is it OK? Footwiks (talk) 03:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That is indeed the logic. Photos from Fifa website are better, but the website must say that the photo is a starting XI photo. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

 * Hi and . I'm here in response to a third opinion request. It's not quite clear what you would like me to weigh in on. I reviewed the disputed content and the above discussion. Is there a question of overall inclusion/exclusion, or is the dispute now mainly about sourcing/copy editing? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, the dispute was over the changes made to the commemoration section between and , which were reverted against WP:ONUS. The user seems to believe that they can insert as much poor-quality material as they want, because other editors will improve it: "But Here is wikipedia. Don't you know collaboration?"  AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:48, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarification. I think the issues with the proposed content are serious enough that we should remove it until it's fixed up. Footwiks can try and fix it up themselves, or ask for help from other editors. It would be reasonable to park it here in a new subsection or put it in a userspace subpage. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 06:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I definitely don't think that I can insert as much poor-quality material as I want in Wikipedia.
 * I say it again,
 * I don't keep my version. I polished and improved prose in person and I asked for other user's help in order to insert good quality material.
 * Also I don't think that my version was really very poor quality to remove or revert and you reverted commemoration section after other user's improvement and polishing.
 * I have edited so many articles and created many articles including Name (sports) and so on since 2010. Through collaboration with other users, These became good articles in Wikipedia. There were not any users who point out my contributions due to poor quality.
 * In my humble opinion, Most important thing in Wikipedia is Collaborations and respect of other user's contributions.Footwiks (talk) 16:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Commemoration Section (second discussion)
I think that commemoration section don't have problem.

Dispute occured in January 2023. You didn't any actions since January 2023. Why did you delete section on 20 July 2023 again?

I saw your comment about me in ANI. What's the relationship between this senction and ANI? If I am blocked soon, I can't participate in this discussion. You can be win this discussion. But it's unfair. Footwiks (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Just so you don't forget, the administrator Firefangledfeathers said above: "I think the issues with the proposed content are serious enough that we should remove it until it's fixed up. Footwiks can try and fix it up themselves, or ask for help from other editors. It would be reasonable to park it here in a new subsection or put it in a userspace subpage." Can you point out which other users fixed these issues, and where they they did so? AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's discuss again with new participants. What do you think of opening this discussion in WikiProject Football?
 * In January, Participants are you and me and just administrator. I opened discussion in the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Let's discuss here.Footwiks (talk) 11:03, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

 * User:Firefangledfeathers said as belows in the ANI.

 * Since third opinions are informal and non-binding, there's nothing wrong per se with Footwiks ignoring mine at Talk:Association football culture. Considered as a small part of the pattern of conduct described and evidenced above, I do think their actions there since the opinion have demonstrated misunderstanding of editing and collaboration norms. Among the issues is their accusation above that AirshipJungleman29 is supporting a sanction in order to game the system and win a content dispute. I'm not sure how the project can hope for improvement in conduct when criticism is met with such bad faith assumption.

 * Dispute occured in the association football culture in January 2023, As I said before, We didn't have consensus in January.

 * then commemoration section was stayed until 19 July 2023 and You deleted commemoration section on 20 July 2023.

 * Because you want to delete comemoration section again, We opened the new discussion on 22 July 2023.

 * According to the guidlline of discussion rule, I think that we have to roll back to the 16 June 2023 version (pre second discussion - latest version )

 * I'm asking you politely, Please roll back to the 16 June 2023 version and Let's wait for opinions in Wikipedia:WikiProject Footwiks (talk) 17:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What guideline of discussion rule?? You're simply pulling nonsense out of thin air now. WP:ONUS clearly states "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content."
 * Do you understand what that means? Let me spell it out. You want to include content. I am disputing including the content. Now it is YOUR responsibility to find editors to support you. You have yet to find ONE. Do you understand simple facts, or will you continue to stick your fingers in your ears yelling nonsensically? AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Commemoration section was stayed until 19 July 2023, There was no consensus, But You deleted the section. In order to delete, You have to open the discussion agin. According to discussion result, you can delete the section.Footwiks (talk) 19:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:ONUS. Go to the help desk if you have trouble understanding the last sentence. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:05, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. I left a question in the help desk. Footwiks (talk) 20:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, Firefangledfeathers has said "I think the issues with the proposed content are serious enough that we should remove it until it's fixed up. Footwiks can try and fix it up themselves, or ask for help from other editors. It would be reasonable to park it here in a new subsection or put it in a userspace subpage." Soccc has said "I support the suggestion that it be removed from the article and drafted elsewhere". I have removed the content from the article. How many more people are needed to overrule Footwiks' consensus? Five? Ten? A hundred? AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Ramdev Pir

Baba Ramdev (or Ramdevji, or Ramdeo Pir, Ramsha Pir (1352–1385 AD; V.S. 1409–1442) is a Hindu deity of Gujarat and Rajasthan, India. He was a fourteenth-century Rajput ruler of Pokhran region who was said to have miraculous powers and devoted his life to uplifting the downtrodden and poor people. In Rajasthan, people of Meghwanshi or Meghwal community are called Rikhiya. Who are considered to be staunch devotees of Baba Ramdev, they have special rights to worship baba Ramdev and many other social groups in India worship him as Ishta-deva. He is considered as an avatar of the god Krishna.

Background
King Ajmal (Ajmal Tanwar) married Queen Minaldevi, daughter of Pamji Bhati of Chhahan Baru village. The sonless king went to Dwaraka and pleaded with Krishna about his wish to have a child like him. They had two sons, the elder Viramdev and the younger Ramdev. Ramdev was born on Chaitra Sudi Panchami in V.S. 1409 in a Rajput family in Ramdevra, Jaisalmer district.

Ramdev believed in the equality of all human beings, be they high or low, rich or poor. He helped the oppressed by granting them their wishes. He is often depicted on horseback. His followers are spread across Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh, Mumbai, Delhi and Sindh in Pakistan. Several fairs in Rajasthan are held to commemorate him. Temples in his name are found in many states of India.

Story of King Ajmal
Ajmal arrived at Dwarka and prayed for many days. Ultimately, in sheer disappointment, he asked Krishna's image the reason for deserving such sorrow. The image did not respond to the king's repeated queries. Angered and enraged at this, the king threw a dried laddu at the head of the image. The priest of the temple, considering the king to be mad, asked the king to go to the mystic Dwaraka to speak to the Lord. Dwaraka, swallowed by the sea many centuries prior, lay on the bed of the Arabian Sea. The unfearing king dived into the sea to meet the Lord. Pleased at the king's dedication and faith, the Lord granted him a boon. The king asked for Krishna to be born as his son. Lord promised to come to the king's house. Soon after, the royal couple gave birth to a boy named Bhiramdev. After a few years, Krishna took a small form and appeared next to Bhiramdev. Muslims venerate Ramdev as Ramshah Pir or Rama Shah Peer. He was said to have had miraculous powers, and his fame reached far and wide. Legend has it that five Pirs from Mecca came to test Ramdev's powers. Ramdev welcomed them and requested them to have lunch with him. The Pirs declined, saying that they ate only with their utensils, which were in Mecca. At this, Ramdev smiled and said, "Look, your utensils are coming, " they saw their eating bowls flying in the air from Mecca. After being convinced of his abilities and powers, they paid their homage to him and named him Rama Shah Peer. The five Pirs, who came to test his powers, were so impressed by him that they decided to stay with him. Their graves are located near Ramdev's Samadhi. There are 24 miracles of him which he did in his life.

Poetry and Literature
Ramdev wrote many verbally composed poems, also known as "bāņīs" (utterances), which later on were transcripted and translated by his followers. His most favoured literary work is a collection of his poems by one of his followers named Swami Gokuldas, the "Baba Ramdev Chaubis Praman" (24 pieces of evidence), believed to be pieces of evidence, predictions or simply ways via which one can find the "Satguru", the ultimate pious spiritual guide, who in turn will help one attain the true Supreme God.

In one such couplet, he emphasizes the importance of having known the spiritual guide, saying that whoever will take God's name (Japa), only that person will ever get unaltered comfort and rest, which is the final beatitude, as follows: "Jo satguru ka levein naamaa, woh hi paavein achal araama"

—Page 17, Baba Ramdev Chaubis Praman  A collection of such translated couplets which successfully lead followers to specific conclusions can be found through resources and wayfinding.

Samadhi and Main Temple in Ramdevra
Ramdev took Samadhi at Ramdevra (10 km from Pokhran) in Rajasthan, on Bhadrapada Shukla Ekadashi in V.S. 1442 at the age of 33 years.

The temple complex housing the resting place of Ramdev is located at Ramdevra (10 km from Pokhran) in Rajasthan. The temple structure was built around Ramdev's final resting place by Maharaja Ganga Singh of Bikaner in 1931.

The complex also houses Samadhis of his disciples like Dalibai and some of his chief disciples. The complex also houses the tombs of five Muslim Pirs from Mecca. It also houses a step-well, the water of which devotees believe has healing powers

Ramdev Jayanti
Ramdev Jayanti, the birth anniversary of Ramdev, is annually celebrated in India on Chaitra Sudi Panchami by his dedicated followers.

Baba Ramdevji announced a seven-day fair, spanning from Bhadva Sudi Duj to Bhadva Sudi Ashtami, during which saints of diverse faiths were invited to convene in a spirit of unity. As the designated Ashtami date approached, Baba expressed his intention for Samadhi. Concurrently, Bhaktamati Dali Bai announced her own intention to undertake Samadhi first. Consequently, Baba decided to undergo Samadhi three days later, specifically on Ekadashi. This decision led to a spontaneous increase in the program of affectionate gatherings and devotional bhajan satsangs, which persisted until Ekadashi.

Shri Ramdev Pir Temple, Pakistan
The Temple of Rama Pir is in Tando Allahyar, Sindh, Pakistan. The annual festival of Ramapir Temple, Tando Allahyar, is the second most significant pilgrimage site for the Hindus in Pakistan. Every year in the Hindu month of Bhadrapad, three days of celebrations are arranged by Ramapir Sheva Mandli.

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Bear Canyon

Bear Canyon, located in the Sabino Canyon recreation area of the Coronado National Forest near Tucson, Arizona, offers views of the Santa Catalina Mountains to the north. Accessible by tram or foot from the Sabino Canyon visitors' center, Bear Canyon contains such attractions as the seasonal Seven Falls and Thimble Peak.

Sources and external links

 * Sabino Canyon Recreation Area
 * Map of Bear Canyon

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Talk:Jake Shimabukuro

I think his discography is now big enough for it to be needed on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.36.86 (talk) 10:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Change organization
Normally, pages on musicians are broken into sections such as "early life" and "career" or something like that that is appropriate. I suggest that the "history" section of this article be broken into multiple sections. Anyone else have any thoughts? Lexandalf (talk) 04:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Go ahead, do it! Softlavender (talk) 01:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

What instrument?
What sort of a uke does he play?

-- TimNelson (talk) 11:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I know this is late, but better late than never. It is either tenor or concert, my guess is concert though.12.157.120.212 (talk) 04:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

He plays a tenor98.221.161.241 (talk) 17:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a custom made Kamaka Tenor. Aggie80 (talk) 15:01, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Okinawan American?
His family name "Shimabukuro" is Okinawan family name. It means, his father family is Okinawan Japanese heritage. But, his mother family is a descendent of japanese from north japan, Fukushima pref, not Okinawa. So, it is not correct to call him "Okinawan american". He should be called "Japanese American". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.3.59.74 (talk) 07:50, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Relevant to the comment above, I just made an edit to include reference to both his Japanese and Okinawan heritage. There are many examples of Jake being actively connected to his Okinawan heritage and the Okinawan-American community in Hawaii--which is connected to but distinct from the Japanese-American community in Hawaii--so it is relevant to include it. A little web searching will make this clear, but here are a few specific examples:
 * * | Was named Okinawa-Uchina Ambassador in 2006
 * * | Did music for a play about a fourth generation Okinawan American in 2016
 * * | Was given Legacy Award by the Hawaii United Okinawan Association in 2018
 * -- Neuhausr (talk) 03:39, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Documented Virtuoso?
I found what at least I believe to be sufficient support of that claim in one of the references already listed. This is also supported by the endless string of accolades on his You Tube material. At this point, I feel someone should try to post any references denying such capability if they still feel this is 'original research'. I didn't write the original line, I just feel the OR tag was grossly off target. JascalX (talk) 03:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Valuable links
I'm putting various links here to come back to later.

 * This has some interesting links to information no longer on his site:.
 * This has master releases of some CDs:.
 * Biography of Jake Shimabukuro from Toastman, Inc.
 * Bio at Lincoln Center
 * Hula Girls / My Life
 * Detailed bio
 * Bio at Int. Jazz Prod.

Softlavender (talk) 14:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Rolling Stone article and link
Posting it here for future reference. I'm using this form because it gives the issue name and (approximate) date (the precise date can be figured out from the issue name):. Softlavender (talk) 02:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Synagogue of the Libertines

Greek quote?
Is that supposed to be Greek? Because it doesn't look like greek to me! RJFJR 20:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I've made a start toward fixing this article (I hope) by transliterating the odd Greek encoding into standard Unicode. The only word I could not transliterate was "Ar~8uartpwv", which appeared toward the end of the prior revision. I have no idea what Greek encoding is being used by the original author. Consequently, I omitted that word from my revision. (By the way, is that section original research? ... because I could not corroborate that information elsewhere. Good luck to whomever takes up the cause of cleaning up this article.  C.W. Loney 17:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is a good some info. that may help... Synagogue of the Freedmen

FREEDMEN, SYNAGOGUE OF THE (συναγωγή τω̂ν Λιβερτίνων). The term occurs in the NT in Acts 6:9. It refers to those who together with Cyrenians and Alexandrians and others opposed Stephen. They apparently opposed him on theological grounds, but were not able to withstand the wisdom by which he spoke.

To oppose Stephen they hired false witnesses who accused Stephen of speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God.

As a result, a mob gathered and he was arrested and accused before the council. Their only accusation was that he said Jesus would destroy the Temple and change the customs of Moses.

It has never been fully established just who these men of the Libertines were and just where their synagogue was. It has been identified with Raymond Weill’s discovery of an inscr. of a synagogue in Jerusalem. This discovery in 1920 mentions the building of a synagogue by Theodatus, son of Vettenus, priest and chief of the synagogue. The name Vettenus obviously refers to the Rom. family of which he or his father was a slave. When the Jews were freed from their Rom. masters and returned to Jerusalem they became known as “freedmen.”

The above mentioned synagogue is the oldest archeological evidence of a synagogue in Pal. In Tacitus’ Annals II. 85, he recalls that Jews were expelled from Rome about a.d. 19.

Some believe the term should read not “Libertines” but “Libyans” and that they were Africans, but this is highly speculative and unnecessary.

Bibliography

W. F. Albright, The Archaeology of Palestine (1949), 172. Docperez (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Bank of England Building, Liverpool

The Bank of England Building is a Grade I listed building located on Castle Street, Liverpool, England.

History
The Bank of England first decided to open premises on Castle Street, Liverpool in 1826, which helped establish the area as the city's financial centre.

The present building was designed by Charles Robert Cockerell and built in a Neoclassical style between 1845 and 1848. The building was constructed as one of three branch banks for the Bank of England in the mid-19th century.

The building was used entirely by the bank and did not contain any lettable space to other businesses, which were being fast established in the district. Subsequently, Cockerell built a similar building in Cook Street for this purpose. It was demolished in 1959.

The building was used by the Bank of England until 1987. In the 1990s, TSB used the building for a few years before it lay empty. In 2015, homeless activitists occupied the building for two weeks before being evicted by police. During the occupation, the activists caused an estimated £46,000 worth of damage to the building.

In May 2024 it was announced that restaurant group The Ivy would be building a restaurant in the building.

Architecture
The building combines several neoclassical architectural styles, including Greek, Roman and Renaissance. The most evident of these is Greek, with four Doric style columns 'tying' the ground and first floors together. The building itself is raised up from ground level, sitting atop a rough granite plinth.

The front of the building held accommodation for the bank's agent, accessible from Union Court. The sub-agent had a similar layout at the rear.

Despite only being three bays wide and seven bays deep, the building's design was seen to give it an "overwhelmingly massive and powerful" appearance. The building is regarded as one of Cockerell's most impressive and was described by Nikolaus Pevsner as a "masterpiece of Victorian architecture". and by the National Heritage List for England as "one of Cockerell's richest and most inventive buildings." It was Grade I listed on 28 June 1952.

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Govan Shipbuilders

Govan Shipbuilders Ltd (GSL) was a British shipbuilding company based on the River Clyde at Glasgow in Scotland. It operated the former Fairfield Shipyard and took its name from the Govan area in which it was located.

History
The company was formed in 1972 by way of a purchase of the former Fairfield Shipyard in Govan from Sir Robert Smith, Liquidator of Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS), itself a product of the amalgamation of several Clydeside yards; Fairfields, Alex Stephens, Charles Connell and Company, Yarrow Shipbuilders Ltd. and John Browns.

Between 1973 and 1980 Scotstoun Marine Ltd, a subsidiary of Govan Shipbuilders, also operated the former Connell shipyard in Scotstoun.

In 1977 the company was nationalised by the Labour government of James Callaghan under the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977 (c. 3) and subsumed into British Shipbuilders.

Between 1973 and 1988, a total of 53 ships were built by Govan Shipbuilders at the Govan (former Fairfield) shipyard. Investment in plant equipment at the yard during this period included expansion of the steel fabrication facilities and the installation of four 80 ton travelling rope luffing cranes in 1975 by Clarke Chapman, servicing the yard's three slipways, in order to increase the size of units that could be prefabricated. An additional three 80 ton cranes from Scotstoun Marine Ltd were dismantled and transferred to Govan after the Scotstoun yard closed in 1980; they remain distinctive due to their blue paintwork.

In 1988 the Govan Shipbuilders was sold to the Norwegian group Kvaerner Industries and was renamed Kvaerner Govan.

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User:MysteriousMystery

Hi, I'm MysteriousMystery. I have an extensive background in a number of fields which I have been using to contribute information to Wikipedia for a long time now, though as an unregistered user. I have a professional background in the video game industry working as a journalist both in print and online for many years and is certainly an area of my own expertise.

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Zeughaus

The Zeughaus (, Arsenal) is a listed building and the oldest structure on Unter den Linden boulevard in the historic centre of Berlin. Erected from 1695 to 1706 according to plans by Johann Arnold Nering, Martin Grünberg, Andreas Schlüter and Jean de Bodt in Baroque style, it was later converted into a Prussian Hall of Fame. Damaged during the Allied bombing in World War II, it was rebuilt from 1949 to 1967 as part of the Forum Fridericianum. Since 2003, it has been home to the Deutsches Historisches Museum (German Historic Museum). Since June 2021 it is closed for necessary renovations and for the renewal of the Permanent Exhibition probably until the end of 2025.

History
The Zeughaus is the oldest structure at Unter den Linden. It was built by Frederick III, Elector of Brandenburg between 1695 and 1730 in the Baroque style, to be used as an artillery arsenal for the display of cannons from Brandenburg and Prussia. The first building master was Johann Arnold Nering. After his death in 1695, he was followed by Martin Grünberg, then Andreas Schlüter and finally Jean de Bodt. Andreas Schlüter designed the keystones above the round-arch windows in the form of heads of giants. Georg Friedrich Hitzig (1811-1881) constructed the monumental flight of steps to the upper floor of the north wing and also a roof over the courtyard. The building was converted into a military museum in 1875.

In March 1943, Rudolf von Gersdorff tried, but failed to assassinate by suicide bombing Adolf Hitler, during the opening of an exhibition in this museum.

From 1949 to 1965 the Zeughaus was restored after heavy war damage, the interior being completely redesigned. In 1952, the government of the German Democratic Republic opened the Museum of German History (Museum für Deutsche Geschichte) in the Zeughaus, which presented the history of Germany, especially in the modern era, from a Communist point of view. Today, the Zeughaus is the site of the Deutsches Historisches Museum (German Historical Museum).

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Cold Pike

Cold Pike is a fell in the English Lake District. It is a satellite of Crinkle Crags and stands above the Upper Duddon Valley.

Topography
When travelling clockwise, Crinkle Crags is the last of the high cirque of fells forming the head of upper Eskdale. It sends out a trio of ridges to the south, running parallel like the prongs of a trident. Working from the west these ridges culminate in Hard Knott, Little Stand and Cold Pike. The Cold Pike ridge begins indistinctly in an area of rocky knolls and small tarns beneath the Fifth Crinkle. Gradually gaining definition it descends to a broad grassy saddle before rising again to the summit plateau of Cold Pike. To the north of the saddle is Great Knott at 2283 ft. This top is considered by most guidebooks to be a subsidiary of Crinkle Crags rather than the nearer Cold Pike. Beyond the summit the ridge continues for another 1/2 mile south eastward before falling steeply over the many tiered crags of Wrynose Breast.

Wrynose Breast stands above the nascent Duddon and the Wrynose Pass road, which provides the only vehicular link between central Lakeland and the Duddon Valley. Together with Hardknott Pass to the west, Wrynose is the latest incarnation of the Roman road from Ambleside to the port of Ravenglass.

To the west of Cold Pike is the Gaitscale Beck, the watercourse separating it from Little Stand. To the east across a wide low col is Pike of Blisco, a conical fell with its footing firmly in Langdale. The source of the River Duddon flows south from this col, curving westward around the foot of Wrynose Breast. To the north is Red Tarn, a feeder via Oxendale of Great Langdale Beck. Red Tarn is an elongated pool whose stony bed can be seen through clear shallow waters, reputed to hold trout. It forms a focal point for walkers as the wide path from the summit of Wrynose Pass down to Stool End runs beside it, a further path branching off across the outflow to Crinkle Crags.

Geology
The fell top is composed of dacite lava flows with the volcaniclastic sandstones and tuffs of the Blisco Member outcropping to the south.

The main Red Tarn path was originally made to serve Red Crag Mine. This consists of a series of pits and trial borings for iron, concentrated about 300 yard north of the tarn. It was worked from 1860 to 1875 but never achieved commercial success.

Summit
The summit plateau of Cold Pike has three widely separated summits, all of which are listed as nuttalls. The lower two are unnamed on Ordnance Survey maps, but are generally referred to as Cold Pike West Top and Cold Pike Far West Top. The true summit is itself one of a series of three outcrops in a mild echoing of Crinkle Crags. Each has a cairn, the highest being a fine example. The top is an excellent place from which to survey Crinkle Crags, the Langdale Pikes, and the northern end of the Coniston Fells across Wrynose Bottom; there is a fine distant prospect of the Pennines above Windermere, and Morecambe Bay above the Duddon Valley.
 * Panorama

Ascents
Cold Pike can be reached easily via Red Tarn from the carpark at the summit of Wrynose Pass. It can also be climbed (less easily) from Great Langdale. More ‘honest’ walkers beginning in the south may wish to start from Little Langdale or Wrynose Bottom, first ascending Wrynose Pass. A direct route from Wrynose Bottom is also possible although pathless, skirting around the left of the crags. A consideration here is that the Duddon will need to be forded when starting out. Cold Pike is often seen as a worthwhile detour en route to Crinkle Crags.

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Category:Grade I listed buildings in Liverpool

Grade I listed buildings in Liverpool, England.


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User talk:CheeseDreams/January 2005

A quick note
Just a short note to say that I have been invited to the vatican for some reason (according to the letter, the pope does this to about 20 random people each year, which doesn't really explain why they choose who they do at all. Oh, ive just noticed on the letter that its connected to some Jesuit thing), and I'm not going to turn a free trip to Rome in winter down, so I won't be around for a few days.

I might try to do some research in the (rather famous) library while I am there, although it is notorious for deliberately not having a proper catalogue, and not letting you look at a book unless you already know what the book is.

P.s. before any of you think of this as an opportunity to push your POV, you should bear in mind that I have chosen to tell you this, and have ulterior motives for doing so. CheeseDreams 00:20, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * You're so full of crap! This is just some idiot way for you to be "saved by the bell"! Goodbye and good riddance, ye compulsive liar! Piglet 04:05, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * To be saved by the bell, you have to be saved from something darling. Please choose your aphorisms more carefully next time. CheeseDreams 00:45, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I have warned Nasse to stop the abuse. I might get into conflict with you CheeseDreams, but I don't agree with you being abused by personal attacks. At least my arguments with you are to do with content. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:04, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Oooo. Spooky! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:19, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Interesting. Share some pictures when you get back. :-D Johnleemk | Talk 16:06, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * They wouldn't let me take pictures inside, due to restrictions on flash photographs. Ill need to find a library to scan in the rest. There are some lovely ones of venice (where my boyfriend took me since we were already in Italy, though its a long train journey, and it doesn't smell very pleasantly when you get there - something to do with sewers).

 * While this is a little late for you to try, but if you ever get the chance see if they have any Stephen King. You may not know it but he has made a deal with The Devil(tm) to have his books shelved everywhere.  Trust me, I know. Wjw 05:45, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I didn't really get allowed to look at much in the library, as they are quite particular about you knowing exactly what it is you are looking for, which is a bit unfair, and I didn't see any popular fiction in there, it is more of a research library. CheeseDreams 00:45, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I haven't heard of this tradition. Pretty neat! And to think that after living four years in Rome, I never got to talk to the Pope... (Of course there are other benefits to living in Rome.) Mpolo 08:59, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * He looks more dead than I was expecting, and he isn't very good at speaking. I suppose its a bit like speaking to the queen would be, it was all very polite, but you get asked mindless questions like what do you do for a living etc. and never get to ask anything interesting because the Cardinals and the secretaries and things are quite clever at changing the subject. The bed was nice though, and some of it is quite elegant.

Arbitration
Just dropping you a note to say that the Arbitration Committee has accepted your request concerning User:Rienzo. The arbitration proceedings are available at Requests for arbitration/Rienzo, and you may add evidence at Requests for arbitration/Rienzo/Evidence. Ambi 00:44, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

STOP placing the "BPOV" template on Bible pages!
CheeseDreams: Please STOP placing your newly-minted template under your adapted new User name of User:Cheese dreams. They will be removed. You cannot make such a sweeping template-SPAM of all Hebrew Bible articles with your own self-invented comments without broader discussion and agreement from the many editors who contribute to Hebrew Bible articles and others involved in this area of scholarship. IZAK 14:22, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you pay attention, you will notice that I only applied it to certain of the articles, and by no means all. Some articles I find quite balanced. For example, Book of Esther. I very carefully observed which articles were biased, and which were not.
 * Further if you look at the contributions under the User name User:Cheese dreams, you will see it has been in existance for a while now. Probably at least one month.

 * So please stop your abusive jumping to conclusions, and check the facts before you make sweeping statements. CheeseDreams 00:45, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * P.s. the whole point about templates like NPOV is that they are added when someone percieves a bias, and are not a consensus addition. You don't go to the talk page and discuss for ages is this article NPOV because that is how you solve the issue, not how you judge whether to put the template on. CheeseDreams 00:45, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom temporary order
"1) Pending a final decision in this matter CheeseDreams is banned from editing all articles which relate to Christianity. This ban is based on aggressive POV editwarring as illustrated by the edit history of Historicity_of_Jesus."

See Requests_for_arbitration/CheeseDreams. --mav 19:47, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I have blocked her for 24 hours. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:13, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Please explain why you have blocked me. I edited Zero Christianity articles.
 * I edited articles relating to Judaism. I also edited talk pages. And templates. None of these things are Christian articles. CheeseDreams 00:46, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Judaism articles are related to Christianity. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:11, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Islam articles are related to Christianity, as are Mar Thoma articles, articles on Missionaries and on Slavery (and thus the history of Africa), articles on debt relief, witchfinding, the reformation, the english civil war, european history, politics, culture, law, and much more besides. "Christianity related" covers about 90% of Wikipedia. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Given your past history with CD, it probably would have been better to get an un-involved admin (are there any by now? :-) to do any enforcement needed, TBSDY. Noel (talk) 20:20, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not get John Kenney to do it? He's apparently above the law so he'd be a good choice. Dr Zen 03:32, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I think Slrubenstein would have been a better choice. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Really? I notice you just placed him on WP:RFAr. Nice choice. What exactly is your agenda again? - Ta bu shi da yu 22:57, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Just one thing. Is User:John Kenney the sock puppet used by User:Jimbo Wales, thus explaining why people are so afraid to touch him. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

BPOV templates
I have added your BPOV templates to Votes for Undeletion:. - Vague | Rant 10:50, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. CheeseDreams 02:08, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

As you will have noted, Cheese, I'm speaking up for your templates (as well as for you generally). I think your POV should be represented in the Christianity articles and I don't think it's right that you should be silenced by the campaign against you. However, you haven't met the norms of the community (and I know you know that) and, although I think I understand your reasons for that (I have assumed good faith and believe you genuinely hold the views you are defending and are not trolling for the hell of it), I do think you should attempt to moderate yourself a bit, if only because not doing so will prevent you from being able to tell what you see as the truth at all. I understand how difficult it is to talk about these subjects with people who simply do not accept even the possibility that their views can be wrong but you are obliged to try to do so without rancour. Find a way, Cheese. I for one will support you in what you're doing if you make that effort. If you keep on the track you're on though, I'm going to be concluding that you are only here to stir the shit. I am not in any way suggesting that you moderate your views, cease to include your content (although I do suggest being more temperate in removing others') or suffer in silence the treatment you've had from some of the other editors here, not just from Rienzo/Nasse/Lady Tara but from SLRubenstein and John Kenney, to name two whose conduct has not been anything to be proud of. But I am suggesting that you try to walk within the bounds a little. Insist they match the same standards. Insist that their sources are of the same quality. Insist they treat you with civility. All of that is within the bounds. Stop tagging articles, because even though you might be right, that is just going to cause you trouble. Make forks in your user space and argue for them. Remember, there are neutral editors who are no fonder of the bias in those articles than you are.Dr Zen 07:11, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts. I do appreciate them. Rienzo/Nasse/Lady Tara are being dealt with now. Slrubenstein will happen shortly. I haven't decided about dealing with John Kenney properly yet, I would like to see how he/she reacts to what happens with Slrubenstein.
 * I knew full well that adding the "actually there is quite a lot of evidence against Jesus" information would result in a campaign against me. Which is why I created the CheeseDreams accounts. I have others where I edit other articles. The point of the CheeseDreams account is to put the information there, and take the heat off the other editors (some of whom at a later stage will be me) who support it.
 * Unfortunately, I have an inbuilt tendency to fight fire with fire. I do not abide evil, nor allow it to continue existance where I see it. It is done now, and they can't prevent the truth from being true. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * That's disgusting. You deliberately made that account to do POV-pushing. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:12, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm. While I sympathise with you and why you did it, you must be aware that some won't think that creating a sock to run flak was a legitimate way to do it. I understand, though, that making these edits, or anything like them, would endanger your name, as it were, and once named as a witch, you'd have no chance of shaking the label. There are just too many editors who enjoy the game of hounding other users.Dr Zen 02:58, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Apology over blocking you
My apologies to you for blocking out of order. I was under the impression that the temporary injunction had started then, but it appears that it had not. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:06, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Accepted. Thank-you. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Talk pages
You know, if you have an issue with what I have to say to other users, you should have some guts and leave a message on my own talk page. I was talking to Dr Zen about your actions because he sent me a message. Responding on his talk page with comments directed to me are NOT acceptable. If I hadn't continued corresponding with Dr Zen (who is a very reasonable user, you should know) I would never have seen your messages. Oh, and incidently: I refuse to speak to your sock puppets. In fact, I seriously wonder why you need them. - Ta bu shi da yu 05:02, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't watch your talk page, and I always respond to comments where they are written, rather than respond to a comment in the Times by scrawling on the wall behind the bikesheds. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * You refuse to speak to Cheesedreams, Cheese Dreams, Cheese-Dreams (new), or Cheese dreams?
 * Thats a bit silly isn't it? They are blatently me. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Silly? Why? If your edits are reasonable, why do you feel the urge to hide them?! I'm not unfair. I dislike POV pushing. Your insistence in adding material like Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons (I've just started to read through that rubbish) shows that you're faith is almost greater than my own! The Roman Catholic church is the new Babylon indeed. What a load of crap. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:16, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * If you wonder why they exist. Consider whose contribution lists you and others are watching. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not watching your contribution list, but I am watching the articles. So I'd suggest you take back that allegation. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:16, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm contemplating asking for them to be merged, as they have served their purpose now. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee ruling
The Arbcom case against you has closed. Effective 13 January 2005, you are to be banned from editing Wikipedia in general for eight days ending 21 January 2005, and shall be prohibited from editing Christianity-related articles for a period of one year, ending 13 January 2006. You are also restricted to two reverts per article in any given twenty-four hour period. If you can demonstrate a pattern of editing with civility, and without serious conflict, for the next six months, you can apply for a lifting of the above year long ban. For further details, please read the final decision of the case. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 00:03, 2005 Jan 13 (UTC)
 * Am I banned now then? I ought not to be editing in that case I suppose. Maybe someone should actually try to block me and my other accounts? CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * My heart bleeds for you......darling! =) 67.15.77.158 02:24, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Darling, the ban expired days ago, unlike yours, Rienzo. CheeseDreams.

Rhobite
Rhobite also misused his admin powers with me.This page gives his victims the chance to respond. Ollieplatt 08:27, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * "Someone" has removed the page in question. Ive been packing my stuff up so that I can move to a house with my boyfriend, so I haven't really been paying attention, otherwise I would have certified the page for you. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Akrotiri and Dhekelia vote
I urge you to reconsider your vote on the inclusion of Akrotiri and Dhekelia as dependencies in Europe at Template talk:Europe. The CIA World Factbook now lists them as dependencies of the UK and has separate entries for the two ( & .) They also have this note posted on the main page :

 * Recent confirmation that the United Kingdom Government administers the Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia on Cyprus as dependencies (and not as lease areas like the US Guantanamo Bay Naval Station in Cuba) has required a changing of their status and their addition to the Factbook as new entities.

Thanks. —Cantus… ☎   06:12, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * I DO NOT consider the CIA world factbook either reliable or unbiased. CheeseDreams 02:53, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Just Wondering
If God is truly infinite doesn't that imply that it transcends personality and is beyond what humanity considers what is and is not an entity? I mean, we take the concept of a human, and expand that to an infinite size and then say there, that is God. I'm tired and just thought I'd ask and no, I don't mean this as a flamebait or some sort of attack, I am truly wondering (I always have to say that before I'm yelled at). Wjw 09:01, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * That depends on what you mean by infinity, for example, cardinality implies that there are numbers bigger than infinity. In terms of physics, infinite is still within a tangible construct, being space-time, which also has the property of (if fully viewed) being static. It also depends on what you mean by personality, for example, Jungian philosophy holds that there is a collective conciousness, which could quite easily compose God. Islam holds that each person is an aspect of God, and thus God is the sum total of all humanity, together with a few other things (which may or may not exist), and thus there is no issue of transcendence.

Blocked
I blocked your alternate account User:Cheese-Dreams permanently, since you violated the Arbitration Committee 8 day ban on editing. Please remember that violating the sanctions against you is a serious matter, and will probably result in longer bans if you continue. In the future, please use your main account for editing. Rhobite 22:50, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm reverting this block. The ArbCom authorized blocks for a length up to (probably including) one week, not infinite. As it's been 5 days at this point, I'm not going to block the account for another 2 days, but you can feel free to. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:37, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Those accounts serve no purpose except to avoid blocks, and CheeseDreams has used them repeatedly to do so. In the past the ArbCom has ruled that sockpuppets are not to be used to circumvent blocks, so I strongly feel they should be banned infinitely. CheeseDreams can edit from her main account now since the block expired - there is no need for her to also have Cheese dreams, Cheese Dreams, Cheese-dreams, and Cheese-Dreams. But since you've decided to unblock these abusive sockpuppets, I think you should at least have the responsibility of watching them. Please do. Rhobite 05:08, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * If you feel they are problem accounts, YOU block them. Just don't cite the ArbCom case as justification. Besides, they can't be used to evade a block that doesn't currently exist, and they are rather too transparent to be used for the more nefarious purposes to which sockpuppets are sometimes put. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 11:35, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * CheeseDreams has admitted that she has used these accounts to evade people watching her contributions. That is the sole pupose of those accounts. She has admitted owning the accounts. Why does she need them? if she edits from these account on the articles she is banned from, I will block. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:28, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to get into a blocking war. If you feel that CheeseDreams should be able to edit from five identically-named accounts, that's enough for me. I'm just making sure you're aware that she gets blocked all the time, and she routinely ignores the block and continues editing from different accounts. Rhobite 00:58, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if someone actually blocked the main account. It isn't listed under the Ipblocklist at the moment, which is quite disappointing. CheeseDreams 23:47, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to respond to your (Rhobite's) comment on the Ip block list. If you think CheeseDreams (and variants) are my main account, you are very much mistaken. It is just the one I am editing a certain set of articles with. So far, I haven't allowed the other account(s) to overlap in the areas they/it edit(s), mainly because I am not that stupid. CheeseDreams 01:02, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, maybe this just counts as taunting, and I suppose I oughtn't to do it. CheeseDreams 01:06, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. In fact, you should not expect that we will spend lots of time tracking down your numerous accounts. You should also not be violating the ban that the arbcom has given you. This is your own fault for creating numerous sock puppets and you should not be complaining about the whole situation as it would never have happened if you hadn't created them. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:08, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Tell me, do you think I have any intention for you to track down my numerous accounts ?
 * And, what exactly is it that you think I am suffering such that the suffering is my own fault ?
 * And, in my above comments, what exactly is it that you think constitutes complaining, because I can't see anything?
 * CheeseDreams 19:16, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Does it matter if you secretly edit from other accounts? As long as you don't cause more problems in Christianity-related articles, I don't think anyone will really mind your surreptitious editing, although bragging about it might not be the best approach. But I will block any more sockpuppets you create, and refer it to the ArbCom to increase the length of your ban. You're currently banned right now, and you're continuing to ignore this ban. Rhobite 01:15, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Who says I'm not still causing problems in Christianity-related articles? Obvious sockpuppets aren't the only way to edit, are they, RS?. CheeseDreams 19:13, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

User:Jakew
I'm complimented by your edit to my user page, but I'm reverting it nonetheless since it makes me sound arrogant. It's not clear what your edit summary is supposed to mean... - Jakew 21:15, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'm not a man. CheeseDreams 21:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Why such concern about homophobia on your user page? I'm not saying that non-homosexuals don't have a right to be concerned, but it seems unusual - hence the question. - Jakew 21:31, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * My ex boyfriend turned out to be gay, he is a close friend now (obviously we have split up). But the issues on my talk page are more to do with User:Rienzo and other assorted sock puppets of the same user (as discussed at Requests for arbitration/Rienzo) launching a personal attack and vandalism etc. due to edits I made suggesting (and evidencing) that there is very little evidence for Jesus, and quite a lot against. CheeseDreams 21:37, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for the explanation. Hope your current/next (none of my business) turns out to be straight. :-) - Jakew 21:40, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * He is a bad dancer, can't sing, watches football for the "sport", I have to choose his clothes, I have to do all the cooking, and he needs to learn to that kissing a guy with stubble isn't that pleasent. So I think he probably is. CheeseDreams 21:50, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * In the interests of gender equality, may I suggest that you amend your statement to read "kissing someone with stubble isn't that pleasant"... I have no specific data to back this up, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that stubble is no less scratchy even if it is on a female. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:07, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * I have never kissed a female, so I am afraid I wouldn't really know. CheeseDreams 19:51, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting that you had, I was just making a joke about stubble. :) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 02:00, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

re: Slrubenstein
Just for the record, is your RfAr against Slrubenstein serious or a "stunt"? The prevailing climate seems to be an assumption that you're being intentionally disruptive rather than possessed of a legitimate beef. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:05, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

ABSOLUTELY 100% SERIOUS. CheeseDreams 19:50, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, of course you are...darling! I can see you're in trouble again... 67.15.54.16 05:17, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Since when did this count as trouble, darling LouiseR ? CheeseDreams 23:34, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Okey-dokey. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 02:02, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

This is your absolutely last warning. If you try a stunt like that again, I'm taking you back to the ArbCom. You have been warned about submitting frivilous and unwarranted RFCs, that should include RFArs also. I don't think you have too many supporters when you do stuff like that. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:44, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * This is your absolutely last warning. If you try to make threats against another user again, I will be the one taking you to the ArbCom. Note also, that the issue of RFCs actually failed to be passed in the ArbCom's ruling, don't think you own the place. CheeseDreams 23:34, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * CheeseDreams, it's not a threat, it's a promise. You were warned about frivolous and unnecessary attacks like the one you just did to Slrubenstein. I'll not warn you again. If I see another one of those and they get rejected out of hand, I will request arbitration again. - Ta bu shi da yu 00:17, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * It is both, darling. Remind me who I was warned by. It wasn't arb com. Request arbitration all you like, darling. It won't block me any more than fvw has tried to. CheeseDreams 00:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Decurion

Infantry rank
Article at time of writing includes:

 * In the infantry, the rank carried less prestige -- a 'decurion' only led a squad called a Contubernium or "Tent Group" of 8 men. But they were still allowed to carry a Pugio or dagger as a sign of their rank.

Is there really any evidence that Decurion was an infantry rank? Or, indeed, that a pugio was anything other than standard issue to all legionaries? I am inclined to delete this statement. 62.239.24.22 12:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * My dictionary says a decurion was in charge of ten men.

 * No less a source than the Asterix books uses the term 'Decurion' to denote an infantry (patrol) squad leader.

And if you can't trust Goscinny and Uderzo, who can you trust?

(The above is obviously tongue in cheek, yet the truth is that Goscinny and Uderzo did a lot of research, so I am actually inclined to believe that this is, in fact, a correct use of the term)--Bltpdx 16:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Basingstoke Town F.C.

Basingstoke Town Football Club is a football club based in Basingstoke, Hampshire, England. The club are currently members of the and play at the Winklebury Sports Complex. Their motto, 'Vestigia Nulla Retrorsum', means 'Never a step backward'.

History
The club was established in 1896 by a merger of Aldworth United and Basingstoke Albion. They joined the Hampshire League in 1901, and when the league was split into geographical divisions in 1903, were placed in the North Division. They finished bottom of the division in both 1903–04 and 1904–05, and again in 1906–07 and 1907–08. However, after consecutive second-bottom finishes and then finishing fifth out of seven clubs in 1910–11, they were North Division champions in 1911–12.

Finishing as champions resulted in promotion to the County Section, although the club continued to play in the North Division. They won the North Section again in 1919–20, After league reorganisation in 1929 Basingstoke were placed in Division One. They finished as runners-up in 1965–66 and 1966–67, before winning the league in 1967–68. After finishing as runners-up again in 1968–69, they won back-to-back titles in 1969–70 and 1970–71, remaining unbeaten in the latter season. They club also won the Hampshire Senior Cup for the first time in 1970–71, beating Fareham Town 3–2 in a replay after the original final ended 1–1.

After their third Hampshire League title in 1971, Basingstoke moved up to Division One South of the Southern League. Their first season in the Southern League saw them reach the first round of the FA Cup for the first time, eventually losing 5–1 to Northampton Town. The club remained in Division One South until 1979, when league restructuring saw them placed in the Southern Division. They won the division in 1984–85, earning promotion to the Premier Division. Two seasons later they were transferred to the Premier Division of the Isthmian League. Although they were relegated to Division One at the end of the 1987–88 season, they made an immediate return to the Premier Division after finishing as Division One runners-up the following season.

The 1989–90 season saw Basingstoke reach the first round of the FA Cup again. After beating Bromsgrove Rovers 3–0, they lost 3–2 to Torquay United in the second round. They also won the Hampshire Senior Cup, beating AFC Lymington 8–0 in the final. In 1993–94 they were relegated to Division One. They won the Hampshire Senior Cup again in 1995–96 and 1996–97, beating Waterlooville 2–0 in the final on both occasions. The latter season also saw them return to the Premier Division after finishing as runners-up in Division One. The following season saw them reach the first round of the FA Cup and defeat Football League opposition for the first time, beating Wycombe Wanderers 5–4 on penalties after a 2–2 draw in a replay; the attendance of 5,085 was a new record for the club. They then took Northampton to a replay in the second round, before losing 4–3 on penalties. They reached the first round again in 1998–99, losing 2–1 to AFC Bournemouth.

In 2003–04 the club finished fourteenth in the Premier Division, entering a play-off against Lewes for a place in the new Conference South. Although they lost 4–1, they gained a place in the new league after Hendon decided against promotion. The club made another appearance in the FA Cup first round in 2006–07, beating League One club Chesterfield 1–0 at Saltergate before losing 3–1 to local rivals Aldershot in a second round replay. The Hampshire Senior Cup was won again in 2007–08 with a 1–0 win over Farnborough in the final. A fifth-place finish in 2011–12 saw the club qualify for the promotion play-offs. However, they lost the two-legged semi-final to Dartford 3–1 on aggregate, losing 1–0 at home and 2–1 away. They also reached the FA Cup first round again, losing 1–0 to Brentford. They qualified for the play-offs for a second time in 2014–15 after finishing third, but were beaten 2–1 on aggregate by Whitehawk in the semi-finals. However, the club did win the Hampshire Senior Cup again, beating Havant & Waterlooville 3–2 after extra time in the final.

The following season saw Basingstoke make another appearance in the FA Cup first round, a 1–0 defeat at Cambridge United; however, after finishing bottom of the renamed National League South, they were relegated to the Premier Division of the Southern League. In 2016–17 the club won the Hampshire Senior Cup, beating AFC Bournemouth 7–6 on penalties after the final ended in a 0–0 draw. They were placed in the Premier South division at the end of the 2017–18 season as part of the restructuring of the non-League pyramid. The club finished third-from-bottom of the division in 2018–19 and were relegated to Division One South. At the end of the 2020–21 season they were transferred to the South Central Division of the Isthmian League. The 2021–22 season saw them finish fifth, qualifying for the promotion play-offs. They went on to lose 4–1 to Chertsey Town in the semi-finals. In 2022–23 the club were South Central Division champions, earning promotion, as well as winning the North Hampshire Senior Cup with a 3–1 win over Romsey Town and the Hampshire Senior Cup with a 1–0 win against AFC Bournemouth.

Ground
The club played at Castlefields from their establishment until 1945, when a site for a new ground was offered to them by Lord Camrose. The new ground was initially known as Winchester Road, and consisted of a small wooden stand together with grass banking with some terracing. The first match was played on 1 December 1945 against Southampton Borough Police, and the ground was later renamed after Lord Camrose.

A new clubhouse was built in 1969 and a new main stand in 1970. Terracing was also added to the ground and floodlights erected. A roof was later installed over the terracing opposite the stand, with another terrace built next to the stand. The ground's record attendance of 5,085 was set in 1997 for an FA Cup first round match against Wycombe Wanderers. It currently has a capacity of 6,000, of which 651 is seated and 2,000 covered.

During the 2014–15 season it was known as the Soccer AM Stadium due to a sponsorship deal with the Sky Sports show, before becoming the Ark Cancer Charity Stadium for the 2016–17 season.

In 2019 the club was forced to relocate to Winchester City's City Ground as former chairman Rafi Razzak attempted to sell the Camrose for development. In October 2020 the club returned to Basingstoke, at the upgraded FA Winklebury Sports Complex in the Winklebury area of the town.

Club staff
First team
 * Manager: Dan Brownlie
 * Assistant Manager: Aaron Nicholson
 * Coach: Paul Worsfold
 * Coach: Jon Boardman
 * Physiotherapist: Gideon Vallence & Ellis Mitchell
 * Goalkeeper Coach: Geraint Holliman & Lance Forster
 * Head of Player Recruitment: Mark French

Academy
 * Academy Manager: Aaron Nicholson
 * Academy Coach: Kieran Rodgers

Honours

 * Isthmian League
 * South Central Division champions 2022–23
 * Southern League
 * Southern Division champions 1984–85
 * Hampshire League
 * Division One champions 1967–68, 1968–69, 1970–71
 * North Division champions 1911–12, 1919–20
 * Hampshire Senior Cup
 * Winners 1970–71, 1989–90, 1995–96, 1996–97, 2007–08, 2013–14, 2016–17, 2022–23
 * North Hampshire Senior Cup
 * Winners 2022–23, 2023–24
 * Remembrance Cup
 * Winners 2005, 2006

Records

 * Best league position: 3rd in the Conference South, 2014–15
 * Best FA Cup performance: Second round, 1989–90, 1997–98, 2006–07
 * Best FA Trophy performance: Third round, 1998–99, 2003–04
 * Most appearances: Billy Coombs (1980s)
 * Most goals: Paul Coombs 159 (1991–99)
 * Biggest win: 10–1 vs Chichester City, FA Cup first qualifying round, 1976
 * Heaviest defeat: 8–0 vs Aylesbury United, Southern League Division One South, April 1979
 * Record attendance: 5,085 vs Wycombe Wanderers, FA Cup first round, November 1997
 * Record league attendance: 2,810 vs Aldershot Town, Isthmian League Premier Division 26 December 1998
 * Record transfer fee paid: £4,750 to Gosport Borough for Steve Ingham

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John S. Toll

John Sampson Toll (October 25, 1923 – July 15, 2011) was an American physicist and educational administrator.

Education
Toll received his bachelor's degree in physics from Yale University in 1944, after which he served in the U.S. Navy in World War II. He finished his Ph.D. in physics at Princeton in 1952.

Career
He then moved to the University of Maryland, where he became chair of the Department of Physics and Astronomy in 1953. During his tenure as chair, he was responsible for a major increase in size and quality of the department. The physics building at the University of Maryland is named for him.

In 1965 he left to become the second president of the State University of New York at Stony Brook, a position he held until 1978. While he was there, Stony Brook University, one of four SUNY centers created by then-governor Nelson Rockefeller (briefly Vice President of the United States under Gerald Ford), and, until recently, the only four allowed to call themselves "universities", grew to more than 17,000 students from a handful who started their academic careers before the campus was even finished, at the now-defunct State University of New York on Long Island (SUCOLI).

He then returned to the University of Maryland to become president of the original five campuses of the University of Maryland. Comparable to a chancellor position in other state university systems, at the time Toll oversaw the University of Maryland, College Park, University of Maryland, Baltimore County, University of Maryland University College, University of Maryland, Eastern Shore, and University of Maryland at Baltimore. When Governor William Donald Schaefer decided to merge most of the state's public universities into a single system, Toll was put in charge of the merger. He then became the first chancellor of the new University System of Maryland.

In 1995, at age 71, he became president of Washington College, a small, private liberal arts school in Chestertown, Maryland. There, he was credited with fixing the school's budget crisis and raising its national profile.

As a physicist, Toll was known for his work in dispersion theory and elementary particle physics. Between university jobs in the early 1990s, he was president of the Universities Research Association which oversaw the U.S. Superconducting Supercollider project until Congress defunded it. In January 2004, he announced that he would leave Washington College and return to physics research at the University of Maryland.

Personal life
He married the former Deborah Taintor, and they had two daughters. Toll died on July 15, 2011, of respiratory failure at Fox Hill Assisted Living in Bethesda, Maryland.

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User talk:EthanHarrraddddaa

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. -- Curps 20:56, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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