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Talk:Geert Wilders

Wilders-Saudi-Flag "Islam is Poison"
This should be included in the article (at the end of "Views about Islam"): http://geertwilders.nl/index.php/in-de-media-mainmenu-74/nieuws-mainmenu-114/1839-let-us-raise-a-flag-of-truth-and-liberation http://www.jpost.com/International/Saudi-Arabia-incensed-over-anti-Islam-campaign-by-far-right-Dutch-politico-352548 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.75.84.99 (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

In the news
How about the end of the Geert Wilders trial for the "In the News" section of the main page? Polozooza (talk) 10:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is there now. --Kslotte (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

your — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.66.138.54 (talk) 00:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Geert Wilders received an invite to accept Islam and denounce Christianity by Sheik Faarooq al Mohammedi (a controversial preacher and mass Islamic Missionary) this story sparked a lot of outcries from the Anti-Islam/ Counter-Jihad groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.171.23.64 (talk) 14:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Indo
I think it is wrong and potentially confusing to our readers to put the moniker "Indo" in the opening sentence. His heritage is mentioned more than once in the article but Geert Wilders is known as a Dutch politician, not Indo-Dutch. It would be akin to identifying JFK, Ronald Reagan or Tip O'Neill for example as Irish-American and not simply as American.--Kalsermar (talk) 18:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC) She was a Jewess. he is therefore Jewish, or to suit wikipedia, "Dutch-Jewish" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.37.133.218 (talk) 19:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed someone who wrote down "Indonesian-Dutch", which is incorrect. Indo is the corrept term - someone of Eurasian (European-Asian) admixture, more specific, in this case: Dutch-Indonesian descent. So I changed Indonesian-Dutch in Indo-Dutch, which is correct. Wilders' mother was of Indo(nesian) descent. I see no harm in keeping it this way. Polozooza (talk) 19:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it was incorrect, merely that it is out of place in the opening sentence. His heritage is amply discussed in the article.--Kalsermar (talk) 21:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

His mother was born in the Dutch East Indies (according to this article), which makes him a second-generation resident of the Netherlands. I find that it is appropriate to refer to him as Indo-Dutch, just as it is appropriate to refer to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for a related example, as Somali-Dutch. People such as Ronald Reagan et al are of Irish ancestry, but the difference is that they were not second-generation residents. Interlaker (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hirsi Al is not a very smart example to bring on here, she was born in Somalia from Somalian parents. But then Wilders: his Indo background is not a widely acknowledged fact, as we can gather from the NRC article that is used as a reference: "In June a genealogist said he had found several Indonesian ancestors of the populist Dutch politician", "The 6-page article reveals that Wilders' grandmother, Johanna Ording-Meijer, came from an old Jewish-Indonesian family". But even if supported by more sources than that one genealogist, first, we're talking about a far background here and second, I think Kalsermar rightly says it's out of place in the opening line, where we don't read words like 'agnostic', 'ex-Catholic', 'controversial', either. Only the very basic facts belong there. Apdency (talk) 19:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no way that should be in the opening of the lede like that - I have doubts if it is more than the opinion of one person and doesn't belong in the article at all. We neveer (or at least almost never - unless it is highly notable) put ethnicity in the lede like that - its as per WP:mos nationality, this is even more so when it is disputed or partial as is the case here. Off2riorob (talk) 19:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC) Off2riorob (talk) 19:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You got it completely right: we're dealing with someone's personal opinion here: "I want Wilders to be an Indo". If anyone dares to go against that, he labels it as vandalism, as we can see here. Wilders in no way belongs in a gallery of 'notable Indos'. Apdency (talk) 17:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

@Interlaker|talk]]) 23:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC) There is a big difference between his mother and Hirsi Ali. His mother was a Dutch citizen. Indo Dutch were Eurasians with the Dutch nationality and European status(Generally speaking)and not an Indonesian living in the Netherlands. In the Dutch Indies they were called Indo Europeans.

Wilders is of Indo(Indo European) or Eurasian decent through his mothers side. His grandmother was an Eurasian, also her parents,etc. Noordin28 (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

"Frits Bolkestein's views on Geert Wilders" section
It is very unusual to have a section completely dedicated to someone else's opinions on the subject of a biography. Should there be a separate section for every notable person's opinions of Geert Wilders? I do not think you will see this in any other biography in Wikipedia. Surely, this information should be integrated into the Public reception section. NereusAJ (talk) 02:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I decided to be bold and move the information myself. If any of the original authors disagree feel free to undo my change. NereusAJ (talk) 05:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The Public reception subsection is under the Early life and career section, but most of the information in it cannot be considered to be part of his early life. In fact a lot of the reactions mentioned are to his political career, which is a different section. I am suggesting we make the Public reception subsection into a separate section. I am editing the article to reflect this. NereusAJ (talk) 05:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

What does Frits think about Geerts paramilitary training on a Kibbutz? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.37.133.218 (talk) 19:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Got a source for that? Mythic Writerlord (talk) 19:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

The founder
In the introduction, change
 * "and leader of the Party for Freedom (Partij voor de Vrijheid – PVV)"

to
 * "and the founder and leader of the Party for Freedom (Partij voor de Vrijheid – PVV)"

i.e. add the phrase "and the founder"—Thanks in advance. 67.101.7.175 (talk) 20:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 19:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Marked for Death: Islam's War Against the West and Me
Please change

" See also "

 * Criticism of multiculturalism
 * List of Dutch politicians
 * Multiculturalism in the Netherlands
 * Philo-Semitism

to

"Works"

 * Marked for Death: Islam's War Against the West and Me, Regnery Publishing (May 1, 2012), ISBN 1596987960

i.e. add the section Works with the title and publisher and release date and ISBN of his new book, thanks in advance.--87.163.232.152 (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I added the “works” section, but there doesn't seem to be a reason for removing “see also”. --Six words (talk) 22:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

A Better Source Needed for Note #86
Here is a better one:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/23/uk-norway-killer-idUKTRE76M1OJ20110723

--77.125.82.29 (talk) 08:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Geert Wilders made a public announcement on his party's website: http://www.pvv.nl/index.php/component/content/article/36-geert-wilders/4529-verklaring-geert-wilders-noorwegen.html. It is Dutch written. HidingMyIP (talk) 01:11, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Henk and Ingrid is unlikely to ever get much bigger, as it's essentially just a political WP:DICDEF. I propose merging to Geert Wilders, where they already get a one-sentence mention, to which we can add their description and function as a Dutch Average Joe. --BDD (talk) 01:22, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done AIR corn (talk) 11:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Far-right, not right-wing
Most reliable sources describe him as far-right, not right-wing. Right-wing is too indiscriminate as that term would even cover moderate conservatives like the Conservative Party of Norway, the CDU of Germany, or Jacques Chirac, hence it is POV. If some politician is described as far-right by RS, we describe them as far-right. We even have an article on far-right politics (heck, the guy has even been banned from entering the United Kingdom and been on trial for hate speech in his own country).

Relevant precedent:
 * Jean-Marie Le Pen
 * Keith Thompson (politician)
 * Adriano Tilgher (politician)
 * Udo Pastörs
 * Udo Voigt
 * Robert Tobler
 * Ian Wachtmeister
 * Jef François
 * Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin
 * Many others can be found

Geert Wilders is described as a far-right politician for example in
 * Willem Maas, "Citizenship and Immigrant Integration in the Netherlands," in Adam Luedtke (ed.), Migrants and Minorities: the European Response, Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 2010, ISBN 1-4438-2111-X, pp. 226-242 (more scholarly sources can be found too)
 * 'Hate' trial for far-right politician Geert Wilders, The Independent, 4 Oct 2010
 * Al Jazeera English
 * The Guardian
 * Dutch far-right politician Geert Wilders arrives in Britain The Telegraph
 * The BBC, the BBC again
 * Dutch far-right leader challenges ESM ratification, Raidió Teilifís Éireann
 * Sky News
 * Article in Euronews
 * Dutch far-right leader opposes eurozone bailout law, Agence France-Presse
 * Geert Wilders wins appeal against ban on travelling to UK, The Guardian again
 * Vast amounts of sources can be found, but you get the point. JonFlaune (talk) 19:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

There appears to be consensus to describe him as far-right, and I will change the article accordingly to reflect talk page consensus. JonFlaune (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He is only rarely sometimes described as far right by Dutch language media. I propose the same as for the PVV, create a dedicated section for classifications, preferrably using scholarly sources. Andries (talk) 19:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * UK based newspapers are no experts on Dutch politicians. Andries (talk) 19:15, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Willem Maas is Dutch. Al-Jazeera isn't British either. Mythic Writerlord (talk) 19:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

 * (ec)Can you back up your claim with some examples of Dutch mainstream sources?TMCk (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "banned from entering the United Kingdom and been on trial for hate speech in his own country"
 * You make it seem so nazi-esque, when all he really did was stand up to Islamofash 46.7.28.113 (talk) 16:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

There is no consensus in sources to label him as far-right.Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 19:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

 * When you reverted there was no discussion. No consensus starts with editors being opposed and discussion is taking place to reach consensus.TMCk (talk) 19:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

 * @Andries: Still waiting for examples from Dutch mainstream sources. Although there is no deadline, the edit in question will be reverted if opposition to it is not backed up by such sources in a reasonable time.TMCk (talk) 22:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * from newspaper Het Parool http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/224/BINNENLAND/article/detail/266418/2009/11/04/Is-Wilders-echt-extreem-rechts.dhtml English"Among others because of these "buts", as the researchers call them, the director of the Sociaal Cultureel Plan bureau, Paul Schnabel does not want to call the PVV extreme far right" Dutch original "Mede gezien deze 'mitsen en maren', zoals de onderzoekers het noemen, wil directeur Paul Schnabel van het Sociaal en Cultureel Planbureau (SCP) de PVV niet extreem rechts noemen. Andries (talk) 19:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I still think that the extreme right label (see LABEL) should be omitted or toned down in the lead and treated in a seperate section. Andries (talk) 19:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with that approach. Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 19:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, when scholars describe him as far right, then also mention the definitions they use. I mean, it is an abstract classification and quite meaningless and uninformative when not explained. Andries (talk) 19:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Please provide English sources that demonstrate that the BBC, The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Independent, Agence France-Presse and the rest of the world press have got it all wrong. A discussion of whether the term "extreme" should be used (and hence your non-English source) is irrelevant to the use of the term far right (not extreme), which is the established English term, with its own article, for the political position to the right of mainstream/moderate conservatism. JonFlaune (talk) 01:46, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The Dutch term for far right is extreem rechts. Sorry for the mistranslation and the resulting confusion. Andries (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What I meant to say is that foreign non-scholarly sources are not the best available sources and there is no consensus ãbout the far right label among Dutch sources. So he should not be labelled stated as a fact in the summary/intro. Andries (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * See also "The far-right anti-immigration party of Geert Wilders" by Michael Steen in The Financial Times quoted by Mark Steyn in nationalreview.com quoted by Fjordman in frontpagemag.com quoted in gatesofvienna. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

The Dutch term extreem rechts is not relevant to whether we describe him as far right (not "extreem") in the English Wikipedia. Far right is the neutral, established generic term for the position to the right of the mainstream right. I see no sources demonstrating Wilders to be a part of the mainstream right-wing/mainstream conservatism. Mainstream conservatives are, after all, not usually banned from entering the United Kingdom. JonFlaune (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Far right is not a neutral term. Everybody agrees that he does not belong in te mainstream conservative class. Imho he is difficult to classify. His policies have described lately as quite left winged and I can easily get many sources for that. He is described as a populist and this is not denied by any reputable source that I am aware of. Andries (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

 * The guy is known internationally for extreme Islamophobic views and usually described by English language sources as far right. It might be the case that he has adopted some "left-wing" positions on some issues, but this isn't unique, in fact many far right groups (e.g. the NPD) combine far right views with left-wing views on economic policy for example. Are the any examples of Wilders denouncing Islamophobia and taking a stand against racism and prejudice against minorities? JonFlaune (talk) 23:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Islamophobia is in itself a very loaded term that is often used as a synonym for '(strong) criticism of Islam'. When it comes to immigration, Wilders can certainly be described as far-right, and I think few would dispute that. Although the charge is sometimes made, even mainstream critics of Wilders recognize that he does not engage in racism (Islam is not a race). He is indeed prejudiced against people from Muslim-majority countries (according to him justifiably, of course). Therefore, I do support the designation 'far-right', but it would be nice if something on his economic views was added. - Lindert (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Your or my opinion is not relevant. What I am saying is that he should not be labelled as far right stated as fact in the summary, because there is no consensus among the best available sources. And also because it violates Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch. The term far-right is now mentioned twice in the lead, once, not stated as a fact is enough. Andries (talk) 11:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

 * You keep saying that but still haven't provided sources that back up your claim.TMCk (talk) 17:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I provided one good source that denies Wilders is far right. this proves that there is no consensus. Andries (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

 * One single source is hardly enough to counter numerous others. Here is an interesting read:.TMCk (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Please no newspaper article titles as sources. Just because a journalist titles something far-right, that's not necessarily a valid description accepted by political scientists. For example, a while ago newspapers titled SYRIZA as far-left but that's not really what academics say. We should leave journalist wordings out. --Pudeo' 04:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Maybe you have been counter productiv with your choice of comparrison. SYRIZA is a redirect to Coalition of the Radical Left. Wonder why you left that out and chose the redirect instead of the article's title.TMCk (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah maybe, but I'm not really interested in the classification of SYRIZA, I'm just saying that journalistic sources are inferior to actual scientific papers related to the PVV and Wilders. So collecting "far-right" (or "far-left") terms from the Telegraph, Guardian BBC or the like is pretty useless and does not constitute a real source analyzing the political position. --Pudeo' 05:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Actually we do quite commonly use news sources to describe political leanings of subjects on WP; And we have one book source cited. I just added a PDF of the chapter in question for easy verification.TMCk (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * A journalist titling "Far-right politician Geert Wilders" is not an analysis of his political position. Do you understand what I mean? A political scientist writing a paper on the PVV is a completely different type of a source. Do you really think the BBC journalist Lauren Comiteau for example is an authority on political science? Sure, real news analyses can be added but just lumping a bunch of news articles that only have far-right in the title is of no use. If we need more sources than one, let's find them from scholarly articles. --Pudeo' 18:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I do get your point even so I don't concur with you by wiki policies/guidelines. However, I do concur with you that one source (the book source from a Dr. of a university) will do. All the other sources were added while there was a heated discussion and warring was going on.TMCk (talk) 02:28, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If that's the case then you should update the Definition and terminology section on the Far-right politics WP article to state that journalists' opinions is the deciding factor when determining what "Far-right" means and who deserves to wear that badge. HoorayForZo1dberg (talk) 02:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

81.58.144.30 (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2013 (UTC)He is not far-right. I am Dutch and I could say he is right-wing.

Why don't we call him what he calls himself, instead of trying force a label on him that may or may not be accurate? It is important not to try to slander someone with inappropriate terms.

People don't get to choose their own descriptions in an encyclopedia. I'm Dutch and it's my opinion that he's far-right, even extreme right. In fact, there are no political parties in the Netherlands that are farther right and that can be supported by evidence. Rightfully in the discussion above, scientific evidence was asked in addition to the journalistic evidence that was already given about the stance on the (far-)right scale. It is not that hard to find such evidence. A quoted paper is this one: "De beeldspraak van geert wilders, een tsunami over Nederland?" by Christ’l De Landtsheer, Lieuwe Kalkhoven & Loes Broen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appiehendriks (talk • contribs) 00:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

GA status
This article has changed quite a bit since it was passed. The prose does not currently meet the GA standards. Too many short sentences and two much news ticker (in July 2011, on 2 October 2011 etc) type sentences. It needs a good copy edit. AIR corn (talk) 11:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Source makes no mention of "Captain Peroxide": Citation Needed
Hi. In the background section it claims: "Wilders has acquired nicknames such as "Mozart" and "Captain Peroxide" because of his flamboyant platinum blond hairstyle." However, follow the link to the BBC report that gives this quote its citation and nowhere will one find the claim that Wilders has acquired the nickname "Captain Peroxide." Shouldn't this oversight require a inserted into the body of this article until the proper citation is given or the claim is removed? Otherwise, it remains a spurious and unsubstantiated claim which if left unaddressed will detract from this otherwise rather factual article. Thanks114.158.149.78 (talk) 05:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Beware of aging or aged male politicians with blond hair. Sca (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Wilders converts to Islam?
Could someone verify this? http://saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20130422162428 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.43.27 (talk) 12:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. Wilders has not converted. That page speaks about Arnoud van Doorn who has - indeed - converted to islam. It is incorrectly stated that Van Doorn is a "leader" of the Freedom Party; in fact, he was only a member of the city council of The Hague for two years. Never a national politician. He was then expelt from the Freedom Party for mismanagement of party funds of the Freedom Party's local The Hague chapter. Van Doorns conversion to islam took place a few months ago, a few years after his expulsion from the Freedom Party. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  13:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Dutch pronunciation
Could someone who is Dutch-speaking create an audiofile with the correct pronunciation of Geert Wilders? /Marxmax (talk) 09:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the pronunciation would actually vary by dialect. Some dialects more or less merge /ɣ/ with /x/, others keep them distinct. This is particularly noticeable when /ɣ/ is in a word-initial position. 2600:8805:A801:B600:6AC4:389B:97DD:8E91 (talk) 18:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2014 - New section after "Wilders and Germany" (Wilders, Poland and other Central and East European countries)
New section after section "Wilders and Germany" suggested:
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Wilders, Poland and other Central and East European countries
In 2012 the Wilders's PVV party has launched a website named Reporting Centre on Central and East Europeans which receives complaints about Central and East European immigrants in the Netherlands. 'Do you have problems with people from Central and Eastern Europe? Have you lost your job to a Pole, a Bulgarian, a Romanian or another East European? We want to know,' the website states. It displays newspaper headlines such as 'Wouldn't it be better if you went back home?' and 'East Europeans, increasingly criminal'. The European Commission has condemned the website, and EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding declared, "We call on all citizens of the Netherlands not to join in this intolerance. Citizens should instead clearly state on the PVV's website that Europe is a place of freedom." The website caused a lot of controversy within the European Union.

89.74.37.251 (talk) 16:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2014 Geert Wilders is not a populist, this is an opinion. The first sentence in this article needs to be changed accordingly.
Geert Wilders is not a populist, this is an opinion and the sentence is politically biased against him. The first sentence in this article needs to be changed accordingly.

He needs to be described as a Dutch politician not a Dutch populist politician.

Repsaj1 (talk) 12:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

 * ❌: Never heard of the fellow but he is described as "a populist politician" in the first line of the Huffington Post article about him, as well as in 3 other cited sources. --Xiaphias (talk) 08:06, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree with Repsaj1. Ben-Natan (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Attack in Garland, Texas
Maybe information about this attack should be added. – Editør (talk) 11:16, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Maybe, if it turns out that the attack was b/c of him being there and not simply directed at the anti-Islam group as a whole. In any case, we'll have to wait for more details to come out.--TMCk (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2016
The English translation of Wilders asking the audience whether they'd like more or *fewer* moroccans, is embarrassingly incorrectly written as "more or *less*".

Skipgilles (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If the audience were shouting "Less, Less" after then it would be obvious that "More or less" would've been used here – Davey 2010 Talk 14:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Nevertheless, Skipgilles is right. Oh wikipedia, land of now-nothing policemen!137.205.101.122 (talk) 11:13, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

WP:EVADE edits by blocked user Ghangoun
Tataral made a series of edits that I partially reverted. These are the reasons: First of all, the label of "far-right" is not universally accepted by all reliable sources. As it's explained in lead, other observers reject this term for Wilders. Therefore I see unnecessary and POV to include this term in the first sentence as undisputed when it's already mentioned in the proper manner (that's why I moved down the New York Times source with the rest of the sources calling him "far right"). Second, I see this category as problematic because, although he was convicted for "hate speech" by a court, no actual penalty was imposed, and it's very POV to call him "criminal" for that, specially when so many of his criminal trials ended in acquittal. Third, this line clearly doesn't belong, since the case of "hate speech" in December 2016 is too minor to include it in WP:lead and trials are already mentioned elsewhere in the article, in the proper section. The lead is supposed to be "a summary of its most important contents, not a news-style lead or lede paragraph." Fourth, I removed this category because it seemed unsourced. I checked the sources related to his position on Israel. Even though he's an advocate for Israel, not a single source uses the label "Zionist."--Ghangoun (talk) 12:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

 * I agree. Editors should not use Wikipedia to unduly push a point. Johnuniq (talk) 00:31, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

 * The description as far-right is universally accepted by mainstream, high quality reliable sources. It's clearly relevant and clearly supported by RS, and needs to be in the lead. Wikipedia is not the place to promote WP:FRINGE and extremist views. --Tataral (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I notice now that the editor who started this discussion and who revert-warred to remove the correct description as far-right, User:Ghangoun, has been indefinitely blocked per Sockpuppet investigations/Delotrooladoo. I'm therefore reinstating, per WP:EVADE, this sourced description that was removed by the indefinitely blocked and disruptive Delotrooladoo sockpuppet. --Tataral (talk) 14:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit surprised to hear the Telegraph, Afshin Ellian and the Tilburgse onderzoeksinstituut IVA being called "WP:FRINGE and extremist". Moreover, the fact that a user was blocked, does not mean the argument is invalid. You claim this is supported by "by mainstream, high quality reliable sources" (plural) so please cited those. Kleuske (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Under WP:EVADE, edits by a block-evading user can be undone by any editor and without any other reason, so it's clearly relevant that the edit was made by the sockpuppet (which was blocked shortly thereafter) of a blocked user. Furthermore, your demand that I "please [cite]" reliable sources, when the article already cited The New York Times which clearly supported the description is clearly without any merits, and for this reason I will reinstate the edit that was reverted by the blocked user Ghangoun. If it is a question of whether sufficiently many reliable sources support the description, I could easily cite 100, 200, 500, a thousand or more reliable sources supporting it, but it wouldn't be necessary or helpful for this article to cite that many sources for this widely accepted and uncontroversial fact. --Tataral (talk) 10:52, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Who's arguing WP:EVADE? Unless you think I'm somehow evading a block, the point is moot. What isn't moot is that sources are being cited who state otherwise. Actual dutch sources instead of transatlantic assesments. You claim you could "easily cite 100, 200, 500, a thousand or more reliable sources supporting it", then please do. Hyperbolic assertions are no substitute for an actual cite. It doesn't have to be in the article, just list them here. What I know is that the VVD (Rutte) announced it wouldn't cooperate with Wilders because many of his proposed policies are too left wing. Kleuske (talk) 11:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2017
92.77.65.108 (talk) 12:28, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Mistakes .. alternative facts?? ;(

wrong

"His travels to Israel as a young adult, as well as to neighbouring Arab countries, helped form his political views. "

1982 he travelled to Israel and Egypt.

(Sharm-el-Sheik, where he ?saw Moubarak, and Cairo) https://web.archive.org/web/20100724054726/http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1702&Itemid=1

"For several years he volunteered in a moshav and worked for several firms,"

For several months he volunteered in a moshav [i did not find a source for de.WP]

wrong

"With the money he saved, he travelled to the neighbouring Arab countries,"

Israel is (very) expensive, and Egypt is very cheap .. even for 2 backpackers

"When he returned to the Netherlands," he was still 18 years old (~nothing?)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:57, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

The Netherlands
Is there any rationale behind not capitalizing "The" in "The Netherlands"? I live there and as far as I know I live in De Nederlanden. Thanks. Barbara Touburg (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The policy on Wikipedia is to use the spelling that is most commonly used in English (see WP:ENGLISH). In normal English usage "the" in "the Netherlands" is not capitalized, and Wikipedia simply follows that convention. - Lindert (talk) 20:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * O. Dank je wel! Barbara Touburg (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btouburg (talk • contribs) 20:16, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

In the United States
The Dutch far right’s election donors are almost exclusively American. While Europe has been busy fretting about Russian meddling in its politics, a few Americans have been quietly doing their part to boost the continent’s far right. (David Horowitz Freedom Center, J.A. de Keizer and Chris Rufer is the founder of The Morning Star Company) Source: https://qz.com/928684/the-dutch-far-rights-election-donors-are-almost-exclusively-american - --87.159.127.72 (talk) 02:41, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * IMHO, the existing note on the article for the PVV suffices (my understanding is that the donations pertain primarily to donations to the party... albeit to cover Wilders's legal costs). Mélencron (talk) 02:49, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, the PVV is a one-man show, isn't it? The PVV only has one official member, Geert Wilders himself! Wilders entered Dutch politics as a member of the conservative People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), but left the party after his increased criticism had marginalized his position within the parliamentary faction. After a short period in the Second Chamber as the “Group Wilders” (a group of one), he founded the PVV - which still operates as part of the Foundation Group Wilders, with one sole member... Geert Wilders. --87.156.235.67 (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 14:59, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

New profile picture photo
I think the profile picture photo should be changed. It's patently obvious that an unflattering picture of him with his eyes shut was chosen deliberately in order to demean him. He might well be the Dutch Prime Minister shortly. Change the picture. I am certain the Freedom Party will supply an acceptable alternative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martan32 (talk • contribs) 04:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2017
The entry claims, in section 4.3, that "Wilders lived in Israel for two years during his youth". Wilders may claim that too, but this is not uncontroversial, and probably false. According to the the Hebrew entry for Wilders (https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%98_%D7%95%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%A1), he lived in Tomer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomer), which is an Israeli settlement in the Jordan Valley, part of the occupied West Bank, rather than Israel itself. This is not a trivial difference, and it aught to be highlighted. Please amend the claim appropriately to state that "Wilders lived in an Israeli settlement in the occupied West Bank for two years during his youth". 95.96.55.228 (talk) 16:37, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Wikipedia should not be used to cite itself. Please provide reliable, third-party sources to support the changes you want made. Topher385 (talk) 01:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Far-right?
The label of "far-right" is not universally accepted by all reliable sources. As explained in lead, other observers reject this term for Wilders. Therefore I see unnecessary and POV to include this term in the first sentence as undisputed when it's already mentioned in the proper manner.--Oxbird (talk) 03:58, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the lede in its current state. Mélencron (talk) 04:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Um, the fact that he is far-right has been reliably sourced with 8 references. There is consensus among reliable sources that Wilders is far-right; he is seldom mentioned without this descriptor in English language sources (far-right Dutch sources don't count). Only far-right individuals themselves deny it; it is telling that the low-quality sources you cite include a letter to the editor written by an anti-immigration writer who is considered  to write "anti-Islamic rant[s]" according to his Wikipedia bioography. Just like we don't portray fringe views on climate science as equally valid as the scientific consensus, it is blatantly POV to disregard the consensus among reliable sources to create a WP:FALSEBALANCE by portraying the far-right fringe's views on Wilders as equally valid as the consensus among reliable sources. --Tataral (talk) 09:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

There's nothing "fringe" here. Also bear in mind this article falls into WP:BLP.--Oxbird (talk) 23:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * First removing several of the references claiming "excessive citation-ing", then complaining about there only being four references? Classic. Apart from that, the consensus among reliable sources is not measured by simply counting the references included in the lead in this way, and as if they are equally representative or have the same weight, and one letter to the editor from a far-right guy does not equal an article in The New York Times. --Tataral (talk) 00:17, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You're meant to be attacking me, not Oxbird, when you object to my removal of citations. In any case, this seems to be standard practice for describing right-wing populist politicians on Wikipedia – there isn't a need to note it immediately in the lede. Look at pretty much any politician's article on Wikipedia, and you'll find that the first sentence simply describes that they're a politician and usually their party affiliation – but not any ideological label, which usually comes later. Undue importance to note it that early in the lede. Mélencron (talk) 00:23, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No, it's not standard practice to exclude the descriptor from articles on politicians universally considered to be far-right by reliable sources – and this has been reliably sourced in the case of Wilders. Udo Voigt and countless other articles mention the term in the first sentence. The removal is blatant POV pushing. --Tataral (talk) 00:28, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * We can't use the Daily Mail as a source for a BLP, that's been decided. We also should not use letters to the editor in a BLP, that's also not acceptable. I'd also question using old sources to discuss someone's current politics but that's not a policy issue (I think). Doug Weller  talk 10:08, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Striking edits by a sock who is part of a huge recurrent sock farm. See Sockpuppet investigations/Delotrooladoo.

I've looked at a few of the sources for the Far-Right claim, but those articles seem to call him that only in the title of the articles. Jarkeld (talk) 01:43, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That isn't an argument that Wilders isn't far-right through (which he plainly is). The only dispute here is the placement of this descriptor within the article. Mélencron (talk) 01:47, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The sources cited should confirm that, but just mentioning it in title and not supporting that in the article itself does not make those RS's for that claim. Jarkeld (talk) 01:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I looked at several Wilders articles in other languages and for the most part the lede does not mention the (far) right bit. They mention it in the appropriate Political views section (or equivalent). The same goes for other Right oriented politicians on Enwiki. Jarkeld (talk) 01:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Wilders is universally considered far-right by reliable sources, as supported by a bunch of sources, both sources that are currently in the article and sources that were removed because people felt there were too many sources. The only ones who insist he's not far-right are the far-right people themselves, in fact such a claim is a tell-tale sign of extremist views. It was a now blocked sock of banned user Delotrooladoo, who engages in extremist POV pushing here and elsewhere, who started removing this sourced descriptor from the first paragraph, and he has apparently continued edit warring over that with other socks, as currently discussed on his SPI page. --Tataral (talk) 03:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2018
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Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2019
Geert Wilders has converted to islam 217.33.217.6 (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
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Businessman
I do not see Geet Wilders as a businessman. I've never seen him addressed as such in Dutch media. I suggest removing that term from the article. It is not used all all in the Dutch version of this page, and I don't think anyone in the Netherlands perceives him a such.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022
On Geert_Wilders, add this:-

 * 2022 Muhammad remarks controversy

Wilders received death threats, namely from Al-Qaeda, after he supported Indian politician Nupur Sharma's comments on Muhammad that caused controversy. Wilders replied to the threats on Twitter that "My message to them is: go to hell. You have no morals. We stand for the truth. We stand for freedom." 122.170.33.2 (talk) 17:08, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. Added a subsection to the article, see Geert Wilders. Thanks for your help! Baggaet (talk) 06:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

however? ->French National Front a 'wrong rightist facist group'?
> Wilders rejects being labeled as far-right and views himself as a right-wing liberal, while saying he does not want to be "linked with the wrong rightist fascist groups". More recently, however, Wilders worked together with Marine Le Pen of the French National Front in --

Is the Frech National Front a 'wrong rightist facist group' ? I would suggest removing the 'however' since it the National Front is not facist (I think) and the article makes it seem that way Sjobenrit (talk) 08:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Not a Philosopher
Geert Wilders is listed under the category: "Dutch Political Philosophers." He has not written any works of philosophy nor received a degree in the subject and as such should not be under the category. 2600:4040:9A3C:D500:1C9B:FDC6:358E:387 (talk) 23:57, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

 * No, he's not. A political rhetorician and demagogue is not automatically a philosopher, at least not in the modern sense, without some of the qualifications above. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:55, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Not Considered Prime-Minister Elect of the Netherlands
Despite exit polls showing that he has won the most seats, other parties (such as GL/PvdA) have stated that they refuse to form any coalition with Wilders' PVV. In fact, a likely coalition scenario that does not include the PVV would consist of a GL/PvdA, NSC, VVD alliance (with a smaller party). At this stage, there is absolutely no guarantee that Wilders will become PM based on the second exit poll.

Second exit poll: https://app.nos.nl/nieuws/tk2023/ HDC 311 (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

 * Indeed, in The Netherlands a PM isn't directly electrd. Nor is he widely considered to be the next PM. That's a really bold claim. 82.101.216.126 (talk) 21:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is. I would appreciate if someone could remove it for me, I don’t quite meet the semi-protected criteria. 134.87.157.45 (talk) 21:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ^this is OP by the way. Just realized that I wasn’t logged in on this device. 134.87.157.45 (talk) 21:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

 * Seconded, if anything Wilders has almost no chance of becoming PM even if the PVV is part of the new governing coalition.188.192.53.247 (talk) 21:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ironically thats exactly what was said about the results. "wilders has almost no chance of winning the election" yet here we are. 138.255.255.26 (talk) 10:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Everyone seems to be in agreement that none of the parties will let him become Prime Minister, so I say he wont do it, so he shouldnt be called prime minister designate. (2607:FEA8:7228:8E00:3C67:4692:8B3A:78C3 (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC))

 * He shouldn't be called anything that relies on speculation about an outcome that has yet to emerge nor news that is so new it is still being written.
 * Not news. Not crystal ball. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A paragraph on the recent election results and the stunning victory by him and his party needs to be added to the article. 70.108.1.24 (talk) 14:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Ethnicity
https://ethnicelebs.com/geert-wilders he does have ancestors born in indonesia but they dont seem to be Indonesian but Dutch people who immigrated there, should it be changed? GlobalReference221 (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Can someone edit this duplication, please?
I don't have sufficient editing skills etc, but look at this:

1.Near Death Threat section

In July 2010, after Wilders complained that his security was inadequate, the Special Security Assignments Brigade, a special unit of Dutch military police, made four attempts to smuggle a firearm into the heavily guarded offices of Wilders' Freedom Party, two of which were successful. Following these breaches, security at the offices was increased.[190][191]

2. Then just afterwards ...also July 2010...

Shortly before this publication, it was revealed in The Hague that Dutch law enforcement officers succeeded twice in smuggling a firearm into the parliament buildings and into the guarded headquarters of Wilders' party. This check was carried out by the Special Security Assignments Brigade BSB, a special unit of the Dutch Military Police. The test was carried out following a complaint from Wilders about his security being inadequate.[203][204] 2A01:B340:82:A8E:DA3A:DB2C:9D64:41C9 (talk) 20:18, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2024
Change "and for his relations to the Kremlin." to "".

OR

Cite sources that actually support this claim. The article does not mention Russia, Kremlin, Moscow, any Russian politicians or backers. Neither the current article nor the archived article. AG-WD40 (talk) 11:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC) — Urro[ talk ] [ edits ] 17:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Wilders' Signature
Should we consider making a file for Mr. Wilders' signature? What motivates me is that he has chances of becoming PM, and that most Heads of Government like Mark Rutte have signatures in their Wikipedia articles.

I am not a guy acquainted with legal and privacy stuff, so I ask if it is possible. BrightSunMan (talk) 12:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

 * He is now apparently not going to be a PM anytime soon, but anyways... BrightSunMan (talk) 13:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Wilders gives up on attempting to be PM.
Link: https://www.politico.eu/article/wilders-wont-be-next-netherlands-prime-minister-he-says/ JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Geert Wilders enjoys Mario Kart on Nintendo (not Playstation, that's an error)
Here is a primary source TikTok video of an interview where Geert Wilders says that he enjoys playing Mario Kart on his *Nintendo*. https://www.tiktok.com/@gekookteaardappell/video/7304631551810112800?lang=en

The article (and its source material) state that he plays Mario Kart on Playstation, which is factually incorrect, as Mario Kart is not available for any version of the Playstation.

I'm not an established user; can an established user please remove the references, correct the error, and add this or any other source to establish the correct information? Thanks! Bugsbycarlin (talk) 15:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delbáeth

Delbáeth or Delbáed (Dealbhaoth or Dealbhaodh) was one of several figures from Irish mythology who are often confused due to the repetition of the name in the mythological genealogies.

Name
According to the Dindsenchas, the name Delbaeth is derived from Dolb-Aed, meaning "enchanted fire" or "fire shape(d)."

Family
His father is variously listed as Aengus or Ogma of the Tuatha Dé Danann or Elatha of the Fomorians, and his mother was Ethniu of the Fomorians. He succeeded his grandfather Eochaid Ollathair ("the Dagda") as High King of Ireland. Delbáeth ruled the united Tuatha Dé Danann and Fomorians for ten years, before dying at the hand of his son, Fiacha.

Children
In some traditions the goddess Eithne is mentioned as his daughter.

Portions of Lebor Gabála Érenn identify Delbáeth as the father of Brian, Iuchar, and Iucharba, and also mention that Delbáeth was also called "Tuirill Biccreo".

The Delbhna (an ancient Irish tribe) claimed to be his descendants.

Alternative and shared names
Delbáeth seems to be the same character as the thunder god Tuireann, because he was identified as "Tuirill Biccreo", the father of Brian, Iuchar, and Iucharba, mentioned above.

Delbáeth is also given as a name of "Lugaid mac Tail" after Lugaid lights an enchanted fire from which burst five streams.

A different Delbáeth – Delbáeth Mac Neit – is identified in the same section of Lebor Gabála Érenn as Tuirill Biccreo's great-grandfather.

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Wen Zhenheng

Wen Zhenheng (, 1585–1645) was a Ming dynasty scholar, painter, landscape garden designer, and great grandson of Wen Zhengming, a famous Ming dynasty painter.

Wen was born in Suzhou in 1585. In 1621, he graduated from the Imperial Academy, obtained the lowest degree of zhusheng. In 1637, Wen was the assistant magistrate of Longzhou county in the Shanxi prefecture. On the same year, he was appointed Secretariat Drafter by Chongzhen Emperor. Wen Zhenheng was famous for his calligraphy, poetry and essays. He was also an expert in landscape garden design, the Sweetgrass Garden he built in Suzhou was famous at his time.

Treatise on Superfluous Things
Wen Zhenheng's best known work Zhang Wu Zhi (traditional: 長物志, simplified:长物志, "Treatise on Superfluous Things") written between 1620-1627 was an encyclopedic book about garden architecture and interior design.

Zhang Wu Zhi was divided into twelve volumes:

 * Vol 1. House and Dwelling—17 chapters
 * Vol 2. Flowers and Trees—43 chapters
 * Vol 3. Water and Stones - 18 chapters
 * Vol 4. Fowl and Fish—11 chapters
 * Vol 5. Books and Paintings - 26 chapters
 * Vol 6. Chairs and Beds—20 chapters
 * Vol 7. Utensils—58 chapters
 * Vol 8. Cloths and accessories—10 chapters
 * Vol 9. Boat and carriage—4 chapters
 * Vol 10. Arrangement—11 chapters
 * Vol 11. Vegetable and Fruits—27 chapters
 * Vol 12. Incense and Tea—24 chapters(Wen Zhenheng on Tea)

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Ernmas

Ernmas is an Irish mother goddess, mentioned in Lebor Gabála Érenn and "Cath Maige Tuired" as one of the Tuatha Dé Danann. Her daughters include the trinity of eponymous Irish goddesses Ériu, Banba and Fódla, the trinity of war goddesses the Badb, Macha and Mórrígan, and also a trinity of sons, Glonn, Gnim, and Coscar. Her other sons are Fiacha and Ollom. Ernmas was killed during the first battle of Mag Tuired and is called a "she-farmer" in the Lebor Gabála Érenn.

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Weston, Hertfordshire

Weston is a village and civil parish in the North Hertfordshire district of Hertfordshire, England. In 2011 the parish had a population of 1054.

It is located around 4 miles north of Stevenage, 2.5 miles south of Baldock and the same distance south-east of Letchworth, although it lies in the Hitchin post town. The A1(M) motorway passes to the west and the A505 Baldock bypass to the north, in a cut-and-cover tunnel that passes through the Weston Hills. These hills were made famous by the Robin Hood-style character Jack o'Legs, who was allegedly buried in the village's church graveyard.

Weston Road and the Village of Weston, both within Toronto, were named after this place.

The Legend Of Jack o'Legs
The legend of Jack o'Legs is connected to the village of Weston, and explained on a signpost in the village green. The legend is that a Jack o'Legs was an abnormally tall man who stole from shops in the nearby town of Baldock.

He took his lootings and hid them in a cave somewhere around Weston Hills. After he was captured and severely wounded by the shopkeepers of Baldock he shot an arrow from there 3 miles into the churchyard at Weston to show where he wished to be buried.

In the churchyard of Holy Trinity Church, Weston, there is a grave for Jack o'Legs, which is unusually long, possibly placed there to fuel belief in the legend.

Windmill
A traditional windmill survives in Weston, although it is in need of refurbishment.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space vector inducer

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:51, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Space vector inducer
This page is about a fictional device. Googling it in quotes returned two results, with the same text as this article.

It is not possible to 'inseminate' wormholes, indeed, we don't even know if they exist, lt alone are NASA and ESA doing so.

This is garbage physics!!

Thesatirist 13:24, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Nonsense. Josh Cherry 15:40, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, I know little about physics but even I know wormholes exist only in science fiction (presently at least). Thryduulf 15:44, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Put this article in a wormhole. Carrp | Talk 20:14, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, fuzzy original research. For starters Newtonian physics and relativity are human descriptions. Differences between them have no effect on the physics involved. Anyway if worm holes do exist, it's not as described here. Wyss 21:30, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nonsense. RJFJR 22:07, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Vector this article into the nearest wormhole (i.e. delete). Edeans 05:57, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:33, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * delete. ComCat 15:27, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Elvin Bethea

Elvin Lamont Bethea (born March 1, 1946) is an American former football defensive end who spent his entire career with the Houston Oilers of the American Football League (AFL) and National Football League (NFL). He played college football for the North Carolina A&T Aggies and was the first player from the school to be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, having been inducted in 2003.

Career
Bethea was born in Trenton, New Jersey, and played high school football and track at Trenton Central High School. He set the New Jersey state record in the shot put in 1964 – 66 feet 4.5 inches - which stood until 1997. Bethea won the shot put and discus competitions at the Golden West Invitational track meet in 1964.

During his career in Houston, Bethea played in 210 games, including a stretch of 135 consecutive. He played at defensive end and guard in the 1968 season and Bethea did not miss a game until breaking his arm in a game against the Oakland Raiders in 1977. Bethea led the team in sacks six times, finishing his career with 105 unofficial sacks.

Bethea's career high was in 1973 with 16 sacks, which still ranks as the best in Oilers/Tennessee Titans history, a feat made more remarkable by the Oilers' 1–13 record. In 1976 Bethea recorded $14 1/2$ sacks, yet was not voted to the Pro Bowl. In a game against the San Diego Chargers in 1976, he recorded four sacks (his career high) and had one fumble recovery.

Bethea also had $14 1/2$ sacks in 1969. Other notable seasons in terms of sacks were: 1970 and 1971 with $10 1/2$ sacks in each, 1975 with 10 and 1978 with eight. He played in the AFC Championship Game in 1978 and 1979.

Awards and honors
Bethea was Second-team All-Pro in 1969, 1973, 1978 and 1979 to go with his 8 Pro Bowl selections.

Bethea was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2003. He was officially inducted during the Enshrinement Ceremony on August 3, 2003, where his college coach and presenter, Hornsby Howell, unveiled the bust of Bethea, which was sculpted by Scott Myers.

In 2005, Bethea was inducted to the North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame

Book
Bethea is the author of Smash-Mouth: My Football Journey from Trenton to Canton.

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Preferred number

In industrial design, preferred numbers (also called preferred values or preferred series) are standard guidelines for choosing exact product dimensions within a given set of constraints. Product developers must choose numerous lengths, distances, diameters, volumes, and other characteristic quantities. While all of these choices are constrained by considerations of functionality, usability, compatibility, safety or cost, there usually remains considerable leeway in the exact choice for many dimensions.

Preferred numbers serve two purposes:
 * 1) Using them increases the probability of compatibility between objects designed at different times by different people. In other words, it is one tactic among many in standardization, whether within a company or within an industry, and it is usually desirable in industrial contexts (unless the goal is vendor lock-in or planned obsolescence)
 * 2) They are chosen such that when a product is manufactured in many different sizes, these will end up roughly equally spaced on a logarithmic scale. They therefore help to minimize the number of different sizes that need to be manufactured or kept in stock.

Preferred numbers represent preferences of simple numbers (such as 1, 2, and 5) multiplied by the powers of a convenient basis, usually 10.

Renard numbers
In 1870 Charles Renard proposed a set of preferred numbers. His system was adopted in 1952 as international standard ISO 3. Renard's system divides the interval from 1 to 10 into 5, 10, 20, or 40 steps, leading to the R5, R10, R20 and R40 scales, respectively. The factor between two consecutive numbers in a Renard series is approximately constant (before rounding), namely the 5th, 10th, 20th, or 40th root of 10 (approximately 1.58, 1.26, 1.12, and 1.06, respectively), which leads to a geometric sequence. This way, the maximum relative error is minimized if an arbitrary number is replaced by the nearest Renard number multiplied by the appropriate power of 10. Example: 1.0, 1.6, 2.5, 4.0, 6.3

E series

The E series is another system of preferred numbers. It consists of the E1, E3, E6, E12, E24, E48, E96 and E192 series. Based on some of the existing manufacturing conventions, the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) began work on a new international standard in 1948. The first version of this IEC 63 (renamed into IEC 60063 in 2007) was released in 1952.

It works similarly to the Renard series, except that it subdivides the interval from 1 to 10 into 3, 6, 12, 24, 48, 96 or 192 steps. These subdivisions ensure that when some arbitrary value is replaced with the nearest preferred number, the maximum relative error will be on the order of 40%, 20%, 10%, 5%, etc.

Use of the E series is mostly restricted to electronic parts like resistors, capacitors, inductors and Zener diodes. Commonly produced dimensions for other types of electrical components are either chosen from the Renard series instead or are defined in relevant product standards (for example wires).

1–2–5 series
In applications for which the R5 series provides a too fine graduation, the 1–2–5 series is sometimes used as a cruder alternative. It is effectively an E3 series rounded to one significant digit:

 * … 0.1 0.2 0.5 1 2 5 10 20 50 100 200 500 1000 …

This series covers a decade (1:10 ratio) in three steps. Adjacent values differ by factors 2 or 2.5. Unlike the Renard series, the 1–2–5 series has not been formally adopted as an international standard. However, the Renard series R10 can be used to extend the 1–2–5 series to a finer graduation.

This series is used to define the scales for graphs and for instruments that display in a two-dimensional form with a graticule, such as oscilloscopes.

The denominations of most modern currencies, notably the euro and sterling, follow a 1–2–5 series. The United States and Canada follow the approximate 1–2–5 series 1, 5, 10, 25, 50 (cents), $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100. The 1⁄4–1⁄2–1 series (... 0.1 0.25 0.5 1 2.5 5 10 ...) is also used by currencies derived from the former Dutch gulden (Aruban florin, Netherlands Antillean gulden, Surinamese dollar), some Middle Eastern currencies (Iraqi and Jordanian dinars, Lebanese pound, Syrian pound), and the Seychellois rupee. However, newer notes introduced in Lebanon and Syria due to inflation follow the standard 1–2–5 series instead.

Convenient numbers
In the 1970s the National Bureau of Standards (NBS) defined a set of convenient numbers to ease metrication in the United States. This system of metric values was described as 1–2–5 series in reverse, with assigned preferences for those numbers which are multiples of 5, 2, and 1 (plus their powers of 10), excluding linear dimensions above 100 mm.

Audio frequencies
ISO 266, Acoustics—Preferred frequencies, defines two different series of audio frequencies for use in acoustical measurements. Both series are referred to the standard reference frequency of 1000 Hz, and use the R10 Renard series from ISO 3, with one using powers of 10, and the other related to the definition of the octave as the frequency ratio 1:2.

For example, a set of nominal center frequencies for use in audio tests and audio test equipment is:

Computer engineering
When dimensioning computer components, the powers of two are frequently used as preferred numbers:

1   2    4    8   16   32   64  128  256  512  1024 ...

Where a finer grading is needed, additional preferred numbers are obtained by multiplying a power of two with a small odd integer:

1 2   4   8   16    32    64    128   256    512    1024 ... (×3) 3  6   12  24  48    96    192   384   768    1536   3072 ... (×5) 5  10  20  40  80    160   320   640   1280   2560   5120 ... (×7) 7  14  28  56  112   224   448   896   1792   3584   7168 ...

In computer graphics, widths and heights of raster images are preferred to be multiples of 16, as many compression algorithms (JPEG, MPEG) divide color images into square blocks of that size. Black-and-white JPEG images are divided into 8×8 blocks. Screen resolutions often follow the same principle. Preferred aspect ratios have also an important influence here, e.g., 2:1, 3:2, 4:3, 5:3, 5:4, 8:5, 16:9.

Paper documents, envelopes, and drawing pens
Standard metric paper sizes use the square root of two (√2) as factors between neighbouring dimensions rounded to the nearest mm (Lichtenberg series, ISO 216). An A4 sheet for example has an aspect ratio very close to √2 and an area very close to 1/16 square metre. An A5 is almost exactly half an A4, and has the same aspect ratio. The √2 factor also appears between the standard pen thicknesses for technical drawings in ISO 9175-1: 0.13, 0.18, 0.25, 0.35, 0.50, 0.70, 1.00, 1.40, and 2.00 mm. This way, the right pen size is available to continue a drawing that has been magnified to a different standard paper size.

Photography
In photography, aperture, exposure, and film speed generally follow powers of 2:

The aperture size controls how much light enters the camera. It is measured in f-stops:, , , , etc. Full f-stops are a square root of 2 apart. Camera lens settings are often set to gaps of successive thirds, so each f-stop is a sixth root of 2, rounded to two significant digits: 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.2, 2.5, 2.8, 3.2, 3.5, 4.0, etc. The spacing is referred to as "one-third of a stop". (Rounding is not exact in the cases of, , , , etc.)

The film speed is a measure of the film's sensitivity to light. It is expressed as ISO values such as "ISO 100". An earlier standard, occasionally still in use, uses the term "ASA" rather than "ISO", referring to the (former) American Standards Association. Measured film speeds are rounded to the nearest preferred number from a modified Renard series including 100, 125, 160, 200, 250, 320, 400, 500, 640, 800... This is the same as the R10′ rounded Renard series, except for the use of 6.4 instead of 6.3, and for having more aggressive rounding below ISO 16. Film marketed to amateurs, however, uses a restricted series including only powers of two multiples of ISO 100: 25, 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600 and 3200. Some low-end cameras can only reliably read these values from DX encoded film cartridges because they lack the extra electrical contacts that would be needed to read the complete series. Some digital cameras extend this binary series to values like 12800, 25600, etc. instead of the modified Renard values 12500, 25000, etc.

The shutter speed controls how long the camera lens is open to receive light. These are expressed as fractions of a second, roughly but not exactly based on powers of 2: 1 second, $1/2$, $1/4$, $1/8$, $1/15$, $1/30$, $1/60$, $1/125$, $1/250$, $1/500$, $1/1000$ of a second.

Retail packaging
In some countries, consumer-protection laws restrict the number of different prepackaged sizes in which certain products can be sold, in order to make it easier for consumers to compare prices.

An example of such a regulation is the European Union directive on the volume of certain prepackaged liquids (75/106/EEC ). It restricts the list of allowed wine-bottle sizes to 0.1, 0.25 ($1/4$), 0.375 ($3/8$), 0.5 ($1/2$), 0.75 ($3/4$), 1, 1.5, 2, 3, and 5 litres. Similar lists exist for several other types of products. They vary and often deviate significantly from any geometric series in order to accommodate traditional sizes when feasible. Adjacent package sizes in these lists differ typically by factors $2/3$ or $3/4$, in some cases even $1/2$, $4/5$, or some other ratio of two small integers.

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Fergus O'Dowd

Fergus O'Dowd (born 1 September 1948) is an Irish Fine Gael politician who has been a Teachta Dála (TD) for the Louth constituency since the 2002 general election. He was appointed Chair of the Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement in September 2020. He previously served as Chair of the Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport from 2017 to 2020 and as a Minister of State from 2011 to 2014.

Early life
O'Dowd was born in Thurles, County Tipperary, in 1948. He was educated by the Christian Brothers in Drogheda, County Louth.

Political career
He was first elected to Drogheda Town Council in 1974 as a member of the Labour Party, and was elected to Louth County Council in 1979, serving on the county council until 2003. He contested the 1977 general election as a Labour Party candidate, but was not elected. In 1982, O'Dowd left the Labour Party and joined Fine Gael. He served three terms as Chairman of Drogheda Town Council: 1977–78, 1981–82 and 1994–95.

A teacher before entering politics, O'Dowd was elected to Seanad Éireann as a Senator for the Administrative Panel in 1997. He was first elected to Dáil Éireann at the 2002 general election, on his fourth attempt. He was immediately appointed Fine Gael spokesperson for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs. He was party Spokesperson on Environment, Heritage and Local Government from 2004 to 2007, and on Transport and Marine from 2007 to 2010. In June 2010, he supported Richard Bruton's leadership challenge to Enda Kenny. Following Kenny's victory in a motion of confidence, O'Dowd was appointed as party Spokesperson on Education and Skills.

On 10 March 2011, he was appointed as Minister of State at the Department of Environment, Community and Local Government and at the Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources with special responsibility for the NewEra Project. He was dropped as a Minister of State in a reshuffle in July 2014.

On 27 November 2023, O'Dowd announced that he would not contest the next general election.

Personal life
O'Dowd lives in Drogheda and is married to Agnes O'Dowd; they have three sons. He is a brother of Niall O'Dowd, publisher of the Irish Voice newspaper in New York City. Another brother, Michael O'Dowd, stood against him for Renua at the 2016 general election.

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Bobby Mitchell

Robert Cornelius Mitchell (June 6, 1935 – April 5, 2020) was an American football halfback and wide receiver. He played college football for the Illinois Fighting Illini and professionally in the National Football League (NFL) for the Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins. He was the first black player to play for Redskins, who were the last NFL team to racial integrate.

Mitchell joined the Redskins' scouting department following his playing career in 1969 and was named assistant general manager in 1981, spending over 40 years with the team in total before retiring in 2002. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1983 and had his jersey number 49 retired by the Redskins following his death in 2020.

Early life
Mitchell was born in Hot Springs, Arkansas, and attended Langston High School. There, he played football, basketball, and track, and was good enough at baseball to be offered a contract with the St. Louis Cardinals.

College career
Instead of playing professional baseball, Mitchell chose to attend the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, which he picked from a host of schools that offered him scholarships. He played college football for the Illinois Fighting Illini and had a particularly good sophomore year. At the beginning of the 1955 season, he was behind junior Harry Jefferson on the depth chart. Seven games into the season, Jefferson went down with an injury, and Mitchell took over at one of the halfback spots. The first time he handled the football, he ran 64 yards for a touchdown. Though he entered in the third quarter, Mitchell gained 173 yards in 10 carries, and the Illini upset third-ranked Michigan, 25–6. He gained more than 100 yards in each of the final two games of the season, when he also played as a defensive back. That year, he averaged a record 8.6 yards per rush.

As a junior in 1956, Mitchell did not see the field much due to a knee injury. After his senior season, he was invited to play in the College All-Star Game, where he got behind defensive back, James David on an 84-yard touchdown reception, and then scored again on an 18-yard pass from Jim Ninowski. The All-Stars' upset the Detroit Lions, 35–19, and Mitchell and Ninowski shared game MVP honors. Mitchell was named first-team All-Big Ten football in 1955 and second-team status in 1957. He was named to The Pigskin Club Honor Roll by The Pigskin Club of Washington, D.C.

Mitchell was even more successful in track. In February 1958, he set an indoor world record (one that lasted only six days) with a 7.7 mark in the 70-yard low hurdles. In the Big Ten championships, he scored 13 points and helped Illinois win the title. Mitchell was unsure whether he wanted to pursue a career in football or track. Even though the 1960 Summer Olympics were still two years away, he had his sights set on competing on the American team. However, Cleveland Browns head coach Paul Brown offered to pay him $7,000 during his rookie season and was able to convince Mitchell to play football instead of participating in the Olympics.

Cleveland Browns (1958–1961)
Mitchell was drafted in the seventh round of the 1958 NFL draft by the Cleveland Browns, where he played as a halfback. He was teamed with Jim Brown to give the Browns one of the most successful running back combinations from 1958 through 1961.

As a rookie, Mitchell had a 98-yard kickoff return. A year later against Washington, he rushed for 232 yards, including a 90-yard scoring scamper, a Browns record until it was broken by Nick Chubb in 2018. The same year, he returned a punt 78 yards against the New York Giants. He earned his first Pro Bowl selection in 1960.

As a Brown, Mitchell accumulated 2297 yards rushing, 1463 yards receiving, 607 yards on punt returns, 1550 yards on kickoff returns, and scored 38 touchdowns. He once held the Browns' career record for kickoff returns for touchdowns, and he also currently holds the team's best rookie rushing average (6.3 in 1958).

Washington Redskins (1962–1968)
Under pressure to integrate the team by the U.S. federal government, the Washington Redskins selected Ernie Davis with the first overall pick of the 1962 NFL draft. However, Redskins owner George Preston Marshall, wary of Davis's potential salary demands, traded his rights to the Cleveland Browns for Mitchell and first-round draft pick Leroy Jackson. Unbeknownst to anyone at the time of the draft, Davis had leukemia, and died without ever playing a down in professional football.

Mitchell, along with John Nisby and Ron Hatcher, was one of three black players on the 1962 Redskins, as the franchise became the last professional football team to integrate. Bill McPeak, in his first year as head coach, immediately announced Mitchell would become a flanker. In his first game in Washington, Mitchell ran back a 92-yard kickoff return against the Dallas Cowboys. The Redskins finished the season with a 5–7–2 record, their best record in five years. Mitchell led the league with 72 catches and 1384 yards and ranked third with 11 touchdowns. He was selected to the first of three consecutive Pro Bowls.

In 1963, Mitchell recorded 69 catches for 1436 yards and seven more touchdowns. During this season, he also became the second player in league and franchise history to record a 99-yard pass play. The pass from George Izo was the first 99-yard pass in over 23 years, when the Redskins' Frank Filchock and Andy Farkas set the original record October 15, 1939. During the next four years, Mitchell's reception totals were 60, 60, 58 and 60. In 1967, new head coach Otto Graham chose to move Mitchell back to halfback because of Graham's decision a year earlier to move the team's best running back, Charley Taylor, to wide receiver. Mitchell enjoyed only moderate success running the ball but he did catch 60 passes for 866 yards and six touchdowns.

In 1969, Vince Lombardi became head coach and promised Mitchell that he would return him to flanker. But as training camp progressed, Mitchell realized that he was not in the same shape he once was and chose to retire.

During his first six seasons with the Redskins, Mitchell never caught fewer than 58 passes. When he retired, his 14,078 combined net yards was the second-highest total in NFL history. He had also scored 91 touchdowns (18 by rushing, 65 on receptions, 3 on punt returns, and 5 on kickoff returns). He amassed 7,954 yards on receptions and 2,735 yards on rushes. He was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1983.

Thomas Boswell of the Washington Post wrote an appreciation of Mitchell after his death: "As a four-way threat — running the ball from the backfield, catching passes as a wide receiver and returning kickoffs and punts — Mitchell is unique. No player has been among the very best in all four areas. Mitchell is a group photo of one ... Who is the only NFL player with more than 500 career rushes and 500 receptions to average more than five yards per carry (5.3) and more than 15 yards per catch (15.3)? Bobby Mitchell."

On June 20, 2020, the Washington Redskins announced that they would retire his number, #49. He was just the second member of the team to have his number retired, alongside Sammy Baugh's #33.

Front-office career (1969–2003)
After retiring from football in 1968, Mitchell remained with the Redskins, at the request of then head coach Vince Lombardi, as a pro scout. He gradually moved up in the ranks to assistant general manager in the organization, and he aspired to become the NFL's first black GM. In 1978, Washington owner Edward Bennett Williams passed over Mitchell for the GM position in favor of Bobby Beathard. Mitchell retired in 2003, stating that he was "deeply hurt" by how owner Jack Kent Cooke passed him over as the team's general manager in favor of Charley Casserly in 1989 and by coach Steve Spurrier's decision to issue his No. 49 uniform number, which had not been issued for years though never retired, to Leonard Stephens that season.

As a player and a front office executive, Mitchell spent 41 years with the Redskins.

Personal life
Mitchell lived in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Gwen, who is an attorney. They had two children, Robert Jr. and Terri.

Beginning in 1980, Mitchell hosted the Bobby Mitchell Hall of Fame Classic, an annual golf fundraiser that benefits the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society.

Mitchell also worked in many efforts and organizations, including the United Negro College Fund, the Howard University Cancer Research Advisory Committee, the American Lung Association of D.C., the Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday Commission, the Boys Club of Washington, the National Urban League, the NAACP, the Junior Chamber of Commerce, the University of Illinois Presidents Council and the University of Illinois Foundation.

Mitchell died at age 84 on April 5, 2020.

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