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Likewise, Pastry Creme is not Custard and Should Not Redirect Thereto
Pastry creme (cream), which is essentially the English for "creme patissiere", is not only NOT the same thing as custard (not even the same thing as creme patissiere, actually) - but the term includes large-scale commercial recipes that do not even contain any dairy product at all but are manufactured from corn syrup; as well as smaller scale varieties based on vegetable shortening.

The "creme filling" in Hostess Twinkies, Cup Cakes, Ho-Ho's, and so on, is an example of the corn syrup-based artificial pastry creme. Amusement parks, such as Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio, often sell filled doughnuts with what they call "Bavarian creme" (which, in true form, *is* a custard) but which is actually a thicker, fluffy version of the same corn syrup based "creme" used by Hostess, Little Debbie, Dolley Madison, and other snack cake brands. Or sometimes this 'faux' Bavarian creme is the shortening-based "creme" filling.

The downtown bakery in my hometown of Milan, Michigan used the latter variety for creme-filled long Johns (filled bar doughnuts) and creme-filled eclairs. (They also did custard-filled long Johns but the creme-filled were much more popular.) This product contains the same ingredients as the basic icing used for cake decorating - a simple recipe of powdered sugar and vegetable shortening, typically flavoured with either vanilla, almond or lemon extract. But whereas the icing is designed for spreadability, the "creme" version uses less shortening and is whipped to a fluffy consistency. The same type of 'faux' pastry creme can also be made using butter instead of shortening, basically as a lighter, fluffier version of butter frosting - used as a creme filling.

Real pastry creme, by contrast, is stiffly whipped cream, typically flavoured with high quality vanilla extract and sweetened with powdered sugar - the cornstarch used in powdered sugar (to prevent caking and crystalisation) helping to stabilise the creme, by absorbing liquid as it slowly collapses over time (which, in turn, elminates the "starchy" taste associated with uncooked powdered sugar; butter vegetable shortening has the same effect of neutralising the starchy taste). This is filling typically used in creme puffs and creme-filled eclairs (which use the same pastry as creme puffs but in a different shape; and the original eclair is made with a custard or Bavarian creme filling, not a pastry creme filling).

Some bakers will co-mingle the real pastry creme with a corn syrup- or shortening-based variety, which makes the latter taste better while giving the former a longer shelf life. Otherwise, back in Milan, we knew the creme-filled long johns were not made with "real" pastry cream because the creme was fluffy and light at room temperature on a hot summer day (and, of course, frosting dressed up to look like whipped cream never tastes like whipped cream). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.56.198 (talk) 07:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

 * As a pastry chef myself, I can definitely say that "custard" and "creme patissiere" are NOT the same and they are not used interchangeably. Their preparations are similar, but have distinct differences.  Custard and its variations are simply cream and/or milk, sugar, vanilla flavouring of some sort, and egg yolks.  When cooked at too high a temperature it will invariably curdle and cannot be saved.  The variation of egg yolks leads to different end products such as creme brulee or creme anglaise, which aren't similar in their thicknesses.  Creme patissiere contains the exact same ingredients with the addition some sort of starch which stabilises the mixture and prevents curdling.  Thus it can be brought to a boil which thickens the mixture and cooks out any raw starch taste.  Creme patissiere is much thicker than any custard and can even be piped, in addition it is rarely eaten on its own and is mostly used as a filling.  Thus, creme patissiere should not re-direct to custard since they are distinct end-products with different preparations. 37.8.170.128 (talk) 18:28, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Creme patissiere
Creme patissiere and Custard are not the same thing, anyone who has ever made both will know this and will agree then, that Creme patissiere should not redirect to Custard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.18.14 (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Differentiation
The previous version of this article didn't distinguish between custard (thickened only with egg) and pastry cream (thickened with both egg and starch). It also seems to include blancmange as a kind of custard though it includes no egg at all, but is thickened with starch (which would make it a pudding), or with gelatin. My American and French references (McGee, Larousse Gastronomique, Kamman), and for that matter the OED all agree that custard does not contain starch. Nonetheless,  I will assume that this is an English idiosyncracy, and so I have left it in.--Macrakis 22:55, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Custard science
i was watching the new show Brainiac on G4 yesturday, and they claimed to have a man that could walk on the delicious dessert delight. After filling a swimming pool with custard that had been made in cement mixers, the man WALKED ON THE CUSTARD! Custard is normally a goo-like liquidy dessert, but when starch is used in the mixture, the custard changes. When the custard is at rest it retains its gooey, liquid traits, but when force or sudden pressure is applied, the custard becomes a solid. Thus if you take sudden, jerking steps you can, in fact, walk across custard as if you were some sort of custard jesus. (excuse the analogy) There is some sort of term for liquids that behave like solids when force is applied. if anyone knows this, please tell me. sept.3, 2005 --Samus

The word is 'thixotropic'.

I saw that programme. What they were using was not custard, just a mixture of custard powder and cold water in the right quantities. It is the cornstarch in British custard powder that makes it behave that way (see the description of a Non-Newtonian fluid). If you actually made the 'custard' properly (i.e . cooked it so the starch absorbed the water and the granules became properly gelated) I do not believe it would behave like this. So I don't think this bit of 'trivia' really belongs on this page. In fact, 'custard powder' probably deserves a page by itself because what you make from it is not custard in the true sense. It has no eggs - only the cornstarch thickens it. It is really just a sweetened white sauce with yellow colouring. --Rich 08:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The current article already says:
 * Instant and ready-made 'custards' are also marketed, though they are not true custards if they are not thickened with egg. See Bird's Custard, for instance.
 * If there are other brands, I suppose it would be worthwhile having a page on custard powders. --Macrakis 17:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing the custard "science", since it is totally misleading (that is to say, not true). ::Didactylos 22:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Just to close out this discussion, note that some time ago I added a section on "physical properties" which discusses both the properties of cooked egg custard and the properties of an uncooked suspension of custard powder. This should answer questions about "walking on custard". --Macrakis 19:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

History?
I would like to know more about the history of custard -- who first used it, how long ago, and how it differed from the form we know today. Does anyone have any information on this? 81.79.56.85 13:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thixotropic?
"Thixotropic" was the first word that came to mind to me, too...but it means just the opposite of what you're looking for. It means a gel-like substance that temporarily liquifies under stress. (Ketchup is a good example...if you shake the bottle first, it pours.) I found one web page that claimed that "Isotropic" had the meaning you are looking for, but definitions of "isotropic" from other sources failed to back this up.Ormewood 23:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The word you are looking for is "rheopectic". (unsigned comment by Ormewood 20 October 2008)

 * No, as the article says, cooked custard is thixotropic (gets less viscous as you stir it); uncooked starch (including custard powder) suspended in water in the right proportions is dilatant (gets more viscous as you stir it); and neither is rheopectic (q.v.). --macrakis (talk) 00:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

You mean non newtonian. 19:24 (DAN) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.225.95 (talk) 19:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Thixotropic, dilatant, and rheopectic are three different kinds of non-Newtonian flow. Follow the links above for more info. --Macrakis (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Separate DAB line
I put a separate dab for Bird's Custard back in; reason being that in the UK, this *is* what most people mean by "custard". Thus it's likely that (a) Many people will search for "custard" when they had the Bird's type in mind, and (b) They may not even realise that there's a difference.

I believe that it's better to point this out (very briefly) at the start, rather than expecting them to read through an article which doesn't actually cover what they were looking for. It's even possible that unless they read to the end, they may be misled into thinking that the Bird's type is egg-based. Fourohfour 14:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

DAB rewrite
I rewrote Macrakis's rewrite of the dab
 * This article focuses on true custards, thickened with egg. For imitation custards thickened with starch, see Bird's Custard.

Yes, I know that starch is more general than cornflour (AKA cornstarch, same thing, different name). Unless powdered custards are being made with other forms of starch, why be less precise? The "imitation" wording is kind of loaded and may be misleading; in Britain, "custard" refers more often to the cornflour-based version anyway, it's not really meant as an "imitation".

I've rewritten it again to avoid it being misleading, but to remove the problems above. Fourohfour 20:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your collaboration.

Birds Custard Powder apparently uses only cornflour as thickener,, but the instant variety is made with an unspecified "modified starch" as well as other thickeners (sodium carboxy methyl cellulose, carrageenan). I don't know what other brands do.

I'm not quite sure what to do about the terminology. To my mind, if it doesn't have eggs, it isn't custard (see references to various cookbooks and reference books above). And Bird's surely was an imitation originally -- Bird's goal, according to the story, was to imitate egg-based custard without the eggs his wife couldn't tolerate. (By the way, I wonder if we have solid sources for this story, or if it was just made up as a way to make a cheap substitute acceptable to the market....) But I guess there's been semantic drift in the UK/Commonwealth.... I haven't been able to find a legal definition of "custard" for those jurisdictions, but it appears that "custard powder" is starch-based (not egg-based). Interestingly, the regulations prohibit the use of the word "egg" or of pictures of eggs on the label to avoid misleading people....

Perhaps we should have an article on "custard powder" separate from that on Bird's. There are other brands now.... --Macrakis 22:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find a US "Standard of Identity" for custard, but the standard of identity for frozen custard does require egg content. I suspect (but am not certain) that it would be considered fraudulent to sell "custard" (as opposed to "custard powder") in the US that did not contain eggs. --Macrakis 22:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

 * No doubt; as you said yourself, the "custard powder" type of custard is probably a UK/Commonwealth thing. Anyway, I rewrote the dab to simply mention "custard powder", which is probably enough. Fourohfour 10:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

crème anglaise
Got rid of "confusingly called crème anglaise" at the beginning as

A) I don't believe it is confusing.

B) Consistency. No mention of confusion is made of the Italian name, which is also "English Cream"  --garryq 12:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Someone apparently changed the original wording, which was "confusingly called simply crème" (which makes it sound like dairy cream) to "confusingly called crème anglaise", which of course made nonsense of the comment. I have corrected it. --Macrakis 18:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

pudding, puddink
In quite a few languages (notably Eastern European and American 'English') custard seems to be known as "pudding" or a local phonetic approximation thereof. Does anyone else find this curious and is there a significant explaination? Confusion over the meaning of the word "pudding", perhaps a shortening of "custard pudding" into "pudding" rather than "custard" occured somewhere in trade history? This is one of those little linguistic things that's always puzzled me. --JamesTheNumberless 15:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what the issue is here. Custard is a kind of pudding thickened with egg.  The confusion goes the other way, too: in the UK, they refer to a kind of pudding thickened with starch as "custard" (see discussion of Bird's Custard -- which is not an egg custard, but a starch pudding -- above). --Macrakis 16:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Granted there are many definitions of pudding but for how long has the definition of pudding which includes custard, been in existance, and which came first? That fact that bird's is not a true custard does not explain why in some cultures, true custard is called pudding - who decided that custard was a type of pudding? --JamesTheNumberless 14:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Pudding is a very broad term. OED says:
 * A preparation of food of a soft or moderately firm consistency, in which the ingredients, animal or vegetable, are either mingled in a farinaceous basis (chiefly of flour), or are enclosed in a farinaceous ‘crust’ (cf. DUMPLING), and cooked by boiling or steaming. Preparations of batter, milk and eggs, rice, sago, tapioca, and other farinaceous substances, suitably seasoned, and cooked by baking, are now also called puddings.
 * The earliest use (connecting this with 1 [pudding = a kind of sausage/haggis]) apparently implied the boiling of the composition in a bag or cloth (pudding-bag or -cloth), as is still often done; but the term has been extended to similar preparations otherwise boiled or steamed, and finally to things baked, so that its meaning and application are now rather indefinite.
 * So apparently "pudding" started as a kind of sausage, then developed into anything cooked in a bag (like a sausage casing), then as OED says "its meaning and application are now rather indefinite." OED's earliest quote for sweet pudding (as opposed to meat-based), in 1544, includes eggs (though it also includes breadcrumbs etc.).  Not clear when you get puddings which are custards (i.e. liquids thickened only with egg, and no flour, breadcrumbs, etc.).  What was the question? --Macrakis 15:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, all very interesting. That confirms what I know about the original use of the term and confirms that it is used in a modern sense to describe a substance like Bird's, however, it doesn't really answer my question, maybe I wasn't that clear. the OED states: "Preparations of batter, milk and eggs, rice, sago, tapioca, and other farinaceous substances, suitably seasoned, and cooked by baking, are now also called puddings." - what I'm curious about is how they came to be called puddings, how the (typically Northern) British usage to mean "dessert" in general came about (and is it responsible for the wider - yet still distinct - definition of pudding), and whether custard is known in many countries as "pudding" because of either of those factors. OED does confirm that rice pudding, chocolate pudding, tapioca pudding, sticky toffee pudding ect. ect. haven't always been called puddings. "pudding" is present in many foreign languages as a loan word from English, with the specific meaning of "custard" and I'm curious about how, and when, it got there. I'm fascinated by pudding because it's such a difficult word to explain to foreign speakers who know it only as custard. Perhaps I should copy this on the pudding talk page. --JamesTheNumberless 09:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Please recall that Talk pages are not for general discussion about the topic, but about improving the article. If you find WP:Reliable sources on these topics, please add what you learn to the relevant articles.  --Macrakis 17:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Well actually the discussion is relevant, as the page is kinda unclear about it's definition of a custard at a moment. It even includes Blancmange as an example, which as it doesn't use eggs, isn't a custard. A section explaining or clarifying the distinction between a pudding (a very general term in english) and a custard (a very specific term in english) would actually benefit the article greatly.24.190.34.219 (talk) 06:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

 * In Rio, we call it "Pudim" - we got a lot of desserts (is this the right british word? or is it the american one?) from the english influence, due to portugal - england relations during the colonial age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.25.137.236 (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Meanwhile, in America, what we usually call "custard" is often known elsewhere as "flan" or "custard flan". And what we call "dessert" is called "pudding" in Britain, Ireland and many Commonwealth countries - as in the child's question, "What's for pudding?" and the adult's answer, "Treacle tart and ice cream"; which in American English would be, "What's for dessert?" and "Sugar pie and ice cream". The term dessert is used in Britain and Ireland to indicate a fruit course (e.g., a plate of fruit and cheese at the end of a meal), or a fruit item served for pudding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.56.198 (talk) 07:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Never heard so much rubbish in my life. In the UK, pudding and dessert are both almost completely synonymous, except for things such as black pudding (which is not a pudding in the dessert sense).  For example: Rice pudding could quite easily be called a dessert, and fruit jelly and ice cream could quite easily be called pudding.--62.249.233.80 (talk) 23:38, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Savory Sauces
Proper preparation of Hollandaise and Bearnaise sauces rely on cooking egg-yolks properly, such that the sauce emulsifies, much like a custard. It seems the primary difference is that these sauces do not employ any milk or dairy products. However, Allemande sauces (closely related to Hollandaise and Bearnaise,) usually do contain cream as an ingredient. Would these sauces somehow qualify as custards? Caen 00:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, they are using eggs as emulsifiers of water/fat mixtures, so there may be some physico-chemical similarity. But as far as culinary terminology goes, I don't think anyone would call mayonnaise (uncooked) or Hollandaise (cooked) sauce a kind of custard. --Macrakis 01:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

walking on custard
why is the term "Walking on Custard" misleading? Hypnoticmonkey 23:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

As the article says, what is actually being walked on is "A suspension of uncooked imitation custard powder", so it is (a) not custard because it is not cooked (and therefore doesn't have the texture of custard), (b) made of imitation custard powder, which isn't really custard (no eggs), and (less relevantly, I suppose) (c) not especially true of custard, but of other starch suspensions as well. --Macrakis 14:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * In some countries, the "imitation" custard made from powder *is* what is generally considered to be "custard".
 * That having been said, it's somewhat academic- I agree that the *uncooked* powder/milk/whatever mixture couldn't actually be considered "custard" by *any* reasonable definition. Fourohfour 19:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

"Custard" is not "crème anglaise" in french
Sorry, but I'm French and custard doesn't mean "crème anglaise". In french "custard" is translated as "crème patissière". And plus "crème anglaise" ("English cream") doens't come from England but deffinitily from France. We the French call this liquid cream "crème anglaise" because of the main dessert in which we use it : "îles flottantes" (floating islands). The Islands are the white of the egg mixed with sugar and forming a floating sweet mass in the middle of a cup full of "crème anglaise". So why the cream should be called "english" ? because of the floating white mass, which represent the british islands in the middle of a sea... of cream (lol). That's the real reason, "crème anglaise" is only english on its name and no on its origin, thanks for reading. 343KKT Kintaro (talk) 15:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Crème patissière is one particular kind of custard, the kind that is used for filling patisseries. The kind you eat by itself is, if I'm not mistaken, simply called crème, which is of course very ambiguous if it's not qualified. See the French wikipedia page Crèmes pour pâtisserie. As for the story about crème anglaise and îles flottantes is charming, but doesn't seem likely. Do you have a WP:Reliable source for it? --macrakis (talk) 22:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * As Crème pâtissière explains, it contains flour, and is therefore not a true custard. On the other hand Creme_anglaise explains that it is made with milk, eggs, sugar and vanilla. That is a custard. Globbet (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I think this is just classic French culinary chauvinism that nothing good can possibly come from England. It's called English Cream for a reason: because it's custard. The fact that it may be thinner than classic English custard is neither here nor there - my gran made far runnier custard than some of the "creme anglaise" I've had in France.Gymnophoria (talk) 19:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Setting temperature not given
I came here to find the setting temperature for custard. The article says there's a 3-5º range between setting and curdling but the actual temps on either side aren't given, if someone knows what they are it should go in the article. Thanks. Meltyman (talk) 14:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Temperature of the custard must not rise above 189–193°F (87–90°C) or it curdles and the texture is spoiled.24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Blancmange is not actually a custard
The intro uses it as an example, but Blancmange isn't actually a custard. Blancmange in it's traditional and almost all modern recipes doesn't call for eggs.24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thixotropic vs dilatant, reference changed to "unknown episode"
User Unforgettableid has removed a link to a Youtube video that purported to show someone walking on uncooked starch. The relevant span of two edits:. Unforgettableid has asserted the reference "seems" like a copyvio in one of the two edit summaries:. Perhaps so, perhaps not so, I don't know, but one of the URLs given in support of his/her edit leads to a 404 error (external) page. Anyway, it seems to me that a citation or reference to an "unknown episode" is not a reference at all, it's more like a non-reference. Additionally, the link of the numbered reference in the reference section itself goes to the wikipedia page for the show, that link also exists in the text, thus it's also redundant. I wanted to query others regarding their thoughts about the matter. Personally, I'd be in favor of deleting the reference, and possibly replacing it with "citation needed". Gzuufy (talk) 18:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Almond cream
The article currently reads:
 * Custard was known in English cuisine at least as early as the fourteenth century. The first reference is as almond milk or almond cream. In a history of the Abbey of Croyland, England Laurence Chateres in 1413. It contained almonds, thick milk, water, salt and sugar. It is supposed by a Henry T Riley in a Notes and Queries that a 'proper' custard cannot be made without almonds.

The given ingredients show that this was not a custard in the modern sense (milk and eggs thickened by heat), so I don't see its relevance to this article. --Macrakis (talk) 23:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Who
That a Doctor Who scriptwriter picked the common dessert component of "custard" as an amusing ingredient for a running joke doesn't give the reader any insight into the article subject. We get a little more insight from a similar reference in the Jammie Dodgers article, because Jammie Dodgers are a more obscure foodstuff with no other context for how culturally prominent they are, but custard is just custard. It dates back to the middle ages. We could dig up a hundred British TV references to it. --McGeddon (talk) 09:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge Creme Anglaise with this page
Creme anglaise is merely the French name for custard, there seems little point having two articles on the same thing particularly when the Creme Anglaise article is quite short and largely repeats what's written here. Gymnophoria (talk) 19:16, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Ok since no-one seems to disagree, I'll consider this resolved?Gymnophoria (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Oppose - Crème anglaise is a distinct dessert sauce and keeping the articles separate would benefit Wikipedia's readers more than combining them. NorthAmerica1000 02:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Custard powder
A discussion about creating a new article about is underway at talk:Bird's Custard which is the current target of the redirect. -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 11:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Order sections
in your recent edits, you changed the order of the sections from Lead - Variants - Uses - Physical-chemical properties - Chemistry to the order Lead - Chemistry - Variants - Uses - Physical-chemical properties - History. Your edit comments don't say why.

I prefer something closer to the previous order for several reasons: Looking over the article as a whole, I'd think that it should be Lead - Variants - Uses - Chemistry and Physics (one section combining the two former sections). Not quite sure where History belongs. Maybe just after Lead or just after Uses, but certainly before Chemistry and Physics. --Macrakis (talk) 22:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a culinary article, and most readers will be interested in the varieties of custard more than in its chemistry.
 * The sections on Chemistry and Physical-chemical properties really should be adjacent to each other, in fact they probably ought to be merged into one section.
 * Most food articles seem to start with Etymology and History before they delve into details. I'm not sure that's the best structure, but I do think that they're of more general interest than Chemistry.
 * Really? I don't remember moving it. I may have gotten mixed up I was trying to combine the Chemistry and Physics sections.Cornsimpel (talk) 01:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hanton City, Rhode Island

Hanton City (known locally as Lost City) is a colonial-era ghost town in Smithfield, Rhode Island near Hanton City Trail. The remains of Hanton City consist of several stone foundations, a burial site, a defunct dam apparently used for irrigation, and a dilapidated scattering of stone walls, typifying it as a standard small New England farming community. The entire site is completely overgrown, making it nearly impossible to locate when any vegetation is present.

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Széchenyi

The House of Széchenyi or Széchényi is the name of a wealthy Hungarian noble family which produced many politicians, landowners, and influential figures within Austro-Hungarian Empire. It is not to be confused with other Szécsényi family that became extinct.

History
The family first appeared in the documents at the beginning of the 16th century and derived its name from the town of Szécsény. First prominent member and founder of family wealth was György Széchenyi (1603–1695), who served as Archbishop of Esztergom. The family received the title of Imperial Count in 1697 by Emperor Leopold I. In 1777 Count Ferenc Széchényi purchased the lands of Sárvár and Felvidék and from then on the family members bore the name Count Széchényi de Sárvár-Felsövidek. The elder, non-comital, branch of the family bore the name Széchényi-Szabó but became extinct in the first half of the 20th century.

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Talk:Daniel O'Connell

The Right Honourable
The Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield article has the phrase "the right honourable gentleman" when talking about Daniel O'Connell who had (rather oddly given earlier battles) raised the issue of his religion in the British Parliament. Was he a member of the Irish Privy Council, and did this continue after he had been Lord Mayor of Dublin? --Henrygb 22:58, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

organising
I think this article needs some organising (breaking into sections) and probably expanding.

Anyone know enough to do it? --Paulc1001 22:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. At present, a casual reader might get the impression that O'Connell was a famous duellist rather than politician.  I'm going to put a clean-up tag on it and bring it to the attention of the Irish Wikipedians group. --Ryano 12:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

O'Connell and tithes
Demiurge why do you keep deleting entrys that i add about O'connell rejecting Sharman crawford's call for the complete abolition of tithes in 1838. If you want me to reference it, it can be found in Robert Kee's 'The green flag: a history of irish nationalism'
 * I reverted your edit because you also (inadvertently I presume) deleted a large section of the article. Demiurge 18:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

it wasn't his head!
O'Connell's body and head did not part ways! It was his heart that was embalmed and buried in the Irish College in Rome. His body was otherwise returned intact to Dublin.

I believe it was Robert Emmitt whose head was seperated from its corpse.

funding
"The Association was funded by membership dues of one penny per month, a minimal amount designed to attract Catholic peasants. It was so successful that the Association raised several million pounds in its first year."

where is the source of this. how on earth did the raise that kind of money from a penny a month, even with patronage from the odd rich person —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.153.4 (talk • contribs)
 * A few quick sums (8 million people in Ireland, 12 months in a year, 240 pennies in a pound) gives a maximum of £400,000 even in the unlikely event that every man, woman and child on the island gave money. I've amended the article to remove the "several million" claim, good catch. Demiurge 13:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Article needs Balance
The link to the Repeal Association should be removed as it is a disgraceful article. The article Repeal (Ireland) should be merged with this article. The reason for the citations is to provide the opportunity to address the misconceptions relating to Young Ireland and there relationship with Daniel O’Connell. The O’Connell article is very sanitized. The disputes with Young Ireland would give a much fuller picture of O’Connell, and greatly enhance the page. --Domer48 16:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The statement that "The Dublin Corporation had always been reactionary and bigoted against Catholics" is POV and itself bigoted. The language is unencyclopaedic.203.184.41.226 (talk) 22:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * De-POV'd and referenced. RashersTierney (talk) 00:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Artical Needs Ref's
This is a very poor article in facts, I hope users will agree. --Phoblacht 16:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Phoblacht - I wrote the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs in the section entitled 'Early LIfe' - the bits about O'Connell's quandary as a student at King's Inns at the time of the French Invasion of Bantry Bay in 1796 - and I also wrote all of the section entitled 'O'Connell Quotes'. In order to substantiate what I wrote I gave the name of the first three books listed under the section entitled 'References' and also some of the 'Links'. I certainly do not agree that the parts I wrote are lacking in facts or references. What exactly do you want here? [PS - Why is your name, 'Phoblacht', aspirated? Should it not just be 'Poblacht'? In Irish the aspiration does not make grammatical sense. Just curious] Oz MH 20:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * This article needs citations/references. I know a bit about O’Connell, for every citation, I will put forward an alternative view of his career. Without citations, this article will be edited. I would like to see some referenced comments on the veto controversy, the tithe war, the chartable bequest act, the colleges bill, and the celebrated “peace resolutions.” Possibly some information on the O’Connell tribute, or his U turn on federalism. What about O’Connell not producing any accounts for the money of the repeal association. A lot of information there that should and will be added. --Domer48 20:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Paragraph 2 of the section entitled 'Early Life' is based on the two references already supplied. If you keep inserting requests for references in this paragraph I will insert the text of the entire letter.Oz MH 21:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, so his uncle told him not to get involved in any militia activity? When did he give these instructions, and how? Why would his uncle instruct him in such a way? What was the quandary he found himself in, disobey his uncle, or relent to peer pressure? Is that it, that the quandary? Reference it and I will look it up. Why would I have a problem with you inserting the whole letter? I have been at the end of some rough editing, not with citation tags, but with the information being removed altogether, for lack of references? Citation tags are just a prompt, one I would much prefer, to the more ruthless edits! I would point you to my earlier contributions on the discussion page? I will be adding more material to this article, you a free to challenge the information I put forward, at least we will have some balance! --Domer48 20:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Domer. I HAVE referenced it! If you don't have access to this letter which was written shortly after the French fleet entered Bantry Bay and is dated 3rd January, 1797, then I have offered to quote it more fully. In it O'Connell asks his uncle what he should do given that all of his fellow students are feverishly enrolling themselves in militia. He asks his uncle to decide on the line of conduct to be observed and advises him of the cost of entering any militia should his uncle consent to it. Oz MH 00:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi Oz, Would I be right in saying that the first two lines, in the second paragraph on “Early Life”, would have the same reference as the one used below it marked 1? If that is the case, well ok, just put the same reference after it. Below is a paragraph from Dennis Gywnn’s, Daniel O’Connell The Irish Liberator, Hutchinson & Co. LTD. Which should illustrate my confusion.

“But events were approaching quickly which were to rouse him [O’Connell] from his loneliness and morbid self-reproaches. The French expedition to Bantry Bay had produced a profound sense of alarm; and early in January he followed the example of many others in enrolling in the Lawyers’ Corps of Artillery. He had not anticipated that Hunting Cap would refuse to send him the money for his admission; and the news threw him into an hysterical state when it came. But a week later Hunting Cap sent the money with almost as great harshness as he last week refused to permit me.” I have added some information to supplement your edit. --Domer48 20:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Domer, judge for yourself how you would interpret the letter that the young Daniel O'Connell wrote to his patron and sponsor from Dublin on the 3rd January 1797. Here follows a transcript of all of its content relevant to the current discussion:

''My Dear Uncle,

''You may easily judge of the disturbed state into which the momentous transactions of the last week threw this city…I cannot avoid saying something of my own situation. While the state of affairs remains in suspense the greatest alacrity is shown on all sides. Every man capable of bearing arms has taken them up. In the midst of the general fermentation you must not be surprised if my inclinations tended to run with the current. But I hope you will at the same time do me the justice to believe that I was not unmindful of your express commands. I am now the only young man as far as I can learn of the body of lawyers or students of the law who has not entered into some corps. … It is for you to say what I am to do. It has been industriously propagated that such men as did not enter a corps would be marked by government. … For my part I am young, active, healthy and single. What excuse can I possibly make? None but your commands. They will serve with my friends and those who know me. But those who see me only at King’s Inns or in court cannot perceive the reason why I am not on parade. You will conceive an idea of my situation. You will hence decide on the line of conduct to be observed. I need not add that your decision will be religiously obeyed. Yet I must suggest the necessity of my quitting Dublin should your decision be contrary to my wishes. If I remain here I may perhaps incur the disgrace of being forced to march as a common soldier in the extraordinary portion of the militia for which they are going to ballot. But the whole of my conduct rests with you. Should you consent to my going into any corps it will be necessary to inform you that I could not afford the expense attending it out of my allowance, and that the corps into which I should wish to enter would be the lawyers artillery as the best regulated and least expensive. … If I should have expressed myself with too much ardour on the subject of taking up arms I hope, my dear Uncle, you will pardon me. Surrounded as I am with young men whom the moment has inspired with enthusiasm, with the blood of youth boiling in my veins, you will not be surprised that I should be more than usually animated. I thought to write to you last week on this subject and it was with difficulty I was able to prevent myself. But now I am not capable of resisting the temptation.. Indeed, I have persuaded myself it is my duty I should write. When you gave me your former directions an invasion was an unforeseen event. … [P.S.] I could quit any corps I now entered as soon as the danger of invasion was over and, the coat of the artillery corps being blue, by taking off the facings it would be serviceable.'' Oz MH 00:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that Oz, as to interpretation, that is open to discussion. Was he asking for permission, or mitigating his decision. Anyhow interpretation some would suggest is a POV, and with my limited experience having been on the wrong end of the stick since I started would advise caution, that interpretation dose not end up on the article. Thanks for that, kind Regards --Domer48 18:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Book List
All these books discuss Daniel O’Connell, his actions and motivations. For those who wish to see O’Connell in a more positive light I would suggest the books by Dennis Gwynn. --Domer48 20:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Needs References added tag
This article needs to be referenced. The information is incorrect and misleading. Once a reference is applied, regardless of the accuracy of the information, the citation tags can be removed. --Domer48 19:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

removing information
This article needs to be referenced, edits to unreferenced material, needs to be referenced. The recent edits of material, by O’Donoghue suggesting that the source of the references were “blatant POV from one slanted source” is not a justification for removing the material, considering that O’Donoghue did not reference the material they added, or substantiated their claim. If O’Donoghue has an alternative source which can balance, these statements by all means add them, but do not remove referenced material, unless you can illustrate your views on the discussion page. --Domer48 18:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

As per your request I have provided the references to "intimidatory and majoritarianist form of Irish nationalism", which were removed for lack of a reference. Hopefully this clears this up.

And yes, I believe an over-reliance on any source (Daniel Gwynne, for example) needs review. Yours, O'Donoghue 01:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that, re the reference. Very questionable though, as a source that is, should get someone more experienced to look at that i.e. ATT. For example, it says “He detested violence as a weapon of reform, respected religion and the rights of property…,” which dose not sit well with your presentation of the information, another example would be “From 1812 to 1817 the Irish Government was little else than a long-sustained duel between O'Connell and the new chief secretary, Sir Robert Peel,” the Irish Parliament had been abolished since the Act of Union in 1800, hardly reliable. No were in the source dose it mention that a lot of liberal Protestants supported emancipation, you would think that it would. It would be my opinion, that you are putting your interpretation of the information you are using into your edit (NPOV).  No matter, I have added additional material, just for a bit of balance. I will put together some more background information i.e. what drove O'Connell, such as the effects on Ireland as a result of the Act of Union, the famine of 1817, and 1822, the destruction of Irish industry, how the Act of Union was passed with blatant bribery, intimidation, and how emancipation had been promised by the British Government to the Catholic bishops, if they supported the union, and then left them waiting 30 years till they got it. I’m glad you pointed out that site for me, I like to address misconceptions, distortions, and in some cases lies. Regards --Domer48 16:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

 * User O’Donoghue, The Fenian’s where not founded till 1858, in America, by the remnants of the Young Irelanders, not in 1829. So you have added material, into a referenced source, which is blatantly incorrect. You have again removed referenced material, and have in no way attempted to justify this with comment. You have shown little regard to the layout of the Article, and how it is presented, and have placed tags only over the sections of which I have placed material, material which is verifiable and categorised as both Primary and Secondary sources. You have placed material which I have found questionable in relation to source, and I have illustrated with examples, to make you aware of the questionable reliability of that source. Your recent edits is showing extremely bad fate, and should not be continued. I will allow to the opportunity to revert your recent edit, or I shall have to do it myself, which is not how I would wish to proceed. Regards --Domer48 20:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Daniel O'Connell
I removed the reference to the Fenians, you could have do so yourself. I thought of them automatically when a reference was made to secret societies. James Stephens, O'Donovan Rossa, etc. were not Americans, but I am not going to quibble.

As far as the rest goes, I don't know what else you want. I only re-edited because you dismembered my quote (in the first paragraph) and I fixed it.

I am assuming good faith and I hope you do as well. Also, NO OFFENSE, but please use spell check, you would be surprised how poorly your messages read. Yours, O'Donoghue 20:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. remember O'Connell was not an Irish Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The actions he took bordered on extortion, no matter how laudable the goals and regardless of what John Mitchel may have written. That needs to be clear in light of the historical consequences and repercussions, even to the present day.O'Donoghue 20:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I never said they were Americans, read what I said, and check your own message, and see how it reads. You olny re-edited because you think I dismembered your quote! That is not a justifiable reason for an edit. In fact that is disruptive behaviour. On the discussion page I justified my edit. If you question my reason for it, the discussion page is the place to raise it. You on the other hand did not, so if I’m reading you right, all your edits were based on the fact I edited a line out of your quote. What I now want, is for you to Replace the material you have edited, that is the referenced material I added, place the tags above the page, that is what I would like you to do. On O’Connell, what ever you think about him, doses not interest me in the slightest. As long as its referenced and a reliable source. (it dose not even have to be true). You do not know what my view of O’Connell is, so do not assume to tell me, editors have to assume a NPOV. You on the other hand have expressed an opinion, and will be judged on all future edits in relation to O’Connell. P.S No Offence taken re spelling, I would not be that petty. Regards --Domer48 21:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I restored the neutrality, unreferenced tags as per your request. The reason I removed those tags is because I had already added POV tags to the sections in question which I viewed as POV, which are still there and which comprise some/most of your contributions, which may be why you are upset. If so, sorry.

As far as "referenced material" you claim I removed, I do not know what you are talking about, so fix it yourself, I am not your servant. Just don't dismember my first paragraph quote as you did before.

Also don't threaten me because I hold an opinion - anything I added to the O'Connell page I provided a reference for. However I removed some of the unreferenced tags which littered the entire article because they averaged one per every two lines or so - THAT IS OVERKILL and a misuse of the unreferenced tag.

Regards,O'Donoghue 21:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Primary and secondary sourced referenced material is not POV, the source of your material is questionable, the reliability of it I have shown to be dubious, and the only thing I removed was a POV which was not even in the quote you used. In relation to unreferenced tags, I much prefer them, to cutting out unreferenced material. I like to provide editors the opportunity to reference their material. Changing your original message, was a bit silly, the history of it is there so now I do not know which one to answer []. What is the POV which compromises all my referenced material? Is it the source, is that the POV? I have used three, which one of them do you have a problem with? As to threatening you, what are you on about? As to the referenced material you removed, the second reference by Michael Doheny. The section tags are placed on referenced edits by me, and unreferenced sections you leave, and remove citation tags? Your tone and attitude is argumentative, and doses not assume good fate, your use of tags is selective, sort out the material you have removed, and remove the selective tags. If you persist with this behaviour, I will ask for an administrator to review all the pertinent material. Regards--Domer48 22:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

removed selective POV tag
I have removed the tags because I considered them selective, see above discussion. I replaced the edit which was removed. Regards --Domer48 12:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Recent Formatting
The presentation of the page has been greatly improved with the recent formatting by User:One Night In Hackney. The removal of the citation tags, and their replacement with a section tag, was innovative, and one I did not consider. The merging of references is definitely something I will use in future. If the contents box could be placed in the top left hand corner it would enhance it further, I unfortunately lack the know-how. Regards --Domer48 14:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy to help. The contents box is currently in the right place, underneath the lead. I realise you're still learning, so I'll explain further.  The lead is designed to give a summary of the entire article, so anyone who reads just that will get a decent idea about the subject.  The table of contents and the main article comes after the lead.  One Night In Hackney 303 14:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thats great thanks, good job on formatting, Regards --Domer48 15:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Revert User:Jill Teed
I consider this to be POV. O’Connell represented the majority of the Irish population, with a ratio of at least 5-1. (I stand to be corrected, and probably will). That he never intended to use physical force to achieve his questionable goals i.e. Repeal, to then describe his tactics as one of intimidation shows a lack of knowledge of the subject. While I can understand the point that is being made, the references below certainly dose not illustrate it. If that reference is to be used, then it is one of interpretation. An editors interpreting information to make a point is POV. Regards--Domer48 18:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Your attempts at censorship re O'Connell are not appreciated. If you persist I will take the matter to the Administrator's Noticeboard. You came to Wikipedia with an agenda:

''The period of history covered by the Young Irelanders, or correctly titled Irish Confederation, is deeply interesting. In it we find the origins of the Republican physical force tradition. Through their writings we see the evolution of Irish Nationalism forged into a coherently articulated force. While they have left us a boundless spring of primary sources, the misconceptions created around them by unscrupulous writers, who believe they can shape the present by manipulating our understanding of the past is a challenge to all right thinking people who believe that history belongs to us all. A start must be made to address this; therefore I will place my axe to the root, and would invite you to do the same.''

However, if you think you are going to impose your views on this page or any other you are mistaken. Your rv of my edits (for which you cited "see discussion page" in the edit summary although there is nothing there regarding this matter) is neither more nor less than an attempt at censorship. You can deify John Mitchel all you like, but keep it in your private writings, not a public access encyclopaedia. Jill Teed 18:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

 * If you check the discussion page on the Daniel O’Connell Article, you will see the reason for the revert. And hands up, I have an agenda! An agenda which I spell out on my user page, which you helpfully provided. To correct the information on Young Ireland, and back it up with referenced material. Your accusation against me assumes bad fate, and is against wiki policy. You should address the edits of a user, and not the user, and not engage in this type of behaviour. I will now point this matter to an administrator, should you continue to engage me in such a hostile manner. Regards

 * I have referred the matter to an administrator for advice. If I might suggest, you should place your notices on the appropriate discussion page, it allows other Users to review the information provided. Just trying to be helpful, and hope you will assume good faith. I will not revert until I hear from an administrator, and will move all related discussions to the appropriate page. Regards--Domer48 19:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: John D'Esterre duel
Hello,User:65.18.60.71. Re the duel between O'Connell and John D'Esterre. I noticed you did not reference your contribution to the article, and really you should in order that other editors can see were the information came from. I have left some information on your user page which can help you with this. In relation to your recent edit, I was not aware that D’Esteere was French. Also in relation to the duel, O’Connell wounded D’Esteere, and at the time no one considered him to be mortally wounded. For a very detailed account I would suggest Dennis Gwynn’s Daniel O’Connell The Irish Liberator pg 138-145 (see book list at the end of article. ) I will not revert your edit for the time being, but references should be added. Good Editing, Regards --Domer48 18:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware D’Esteere was French, especially considering the family's original surname was Dester. One Night In Hackney 303 18:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * One Night In Hackney 303, I was just assuming it was a "good faith" edit. I was going to change it, but thought I would wait a bit.I also noticed a tag placed on the User's discussion page, how would this edit be considered. The section of the Article is covered with a tag, so editors should/would keep this in mind. Regards --Domer48 18:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Quick comment…. Mary O’Connell is my 4th great aunt. Her father is my 5x great grandfather. Mary O’Connell was a 3/4th cousin of D’Esterre, up though the Darby line of Leap Castle. The D’Esterre were French Huegenot. So, Daniel O’Connell killed his wife’s distant cousin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.108.45 (talk) 22:31, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Not sure where you got the Dester name from. It’s all well recorded in genealogy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.108.45 (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Removed unreferenced text by User:65.18.60.71 and replaced it with referenced text. Regards --Domer48 21:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed text
Having read the source of this reference a number of times I find it to be inconsistent and unreliable. It was also being used out of context, to put forward a POV. Regards --Domer48 17:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed text Re Langauge
Having looked at the article on Daniel O'Connell, I felt it needed cleaning up on some issues. I have noticed that someone has deleted my extra information on Daniel O' Connell's contribution to the Gaelic langauge. By reading this, the user would have been informed of the background of why O'Connell thought it would be better for people to learn English rather than Irish when Irish emigration was so high. The reader would have also understood that it brought him into disripute. I do not know who has deleted this but i feel they have deleted it unwisely and not even edited it. --lukeoprey 14:21, 27 April 2007

 * Hello User:Lukeoprey,I left a message on your talk page and outlined that any material that is added to Wikipedia that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a source, as do quotations, and the responsibility for finding a source lies with the person who adds or restores the material. Unsourced or poorly sourced edits may be challenged and removed at any time. Sometimes it is better to have no information at all than to have information without a source.
 * If you click on the history page of an article, you will see the edits that have been made, and by whom. I you provide me with the source of the information, I would be only to happy to put it on for you, and show you how. Thank you for taking the time to contribute to Wikipedia. See this page for more information about Wikipedia's policy on sourcing. Thanks, Regards--Domer48 15:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
Does anyone think we'd be better off shipping them across to WikiQuote, and leaving an icon here instead of the current lengthy list? I know Domer48 has been active over on WQ recently. One Night In Hackney 303 02:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with One Night In Hackney 303 and I would be willing to do this, if there is agreement from editors. --Domer48 08:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree. Why would it be better if these quotes were buried as Wikiquotes? Verifiable quotes tell a lot about a person's world view and are excellent primary source material. They are better than the majority of the referenced secondary works that appear in this article on O'Connell. Many of these secondary works are politically motivated and, some would argue, lack objectivity. I am not necessarily saying they should not be used as a basis for this article - afterall some were written by O'Connell's actual or near contemporaries - but they should be balanced by O'Connell's own words. The reader of the article will thus obtain a more rounded view of the man.Oz MH 22:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Well there's nothing to prevent an article being created over at WikiQuote anyway, as one is merited. My reasoning for it is that the article is somewhat overburdened with lists, perhaps it might be better if some of the more important quotes were incorporated into the text? One Night In Hackney 303 22:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Removing the quotes is to excise the best, and possibly the only, primary source material in the article. In terms of historical methodology that is definitely not good practice. However, I take your point about their 'list' character and would not object to their incorporation into the body of the main text of the article.Oz MH 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I would agree that the quotes were possible, should be inserted into the main body of the text. I would suggest that for the interim then, they be left as they are, until such a time as they are used. I also agree, that there is no reason why an article can not be produces over at WikiQuote. Regards --Domer48 11:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I have just created the Daniel O’Connell article over at WikiQuote.http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Daniel_O%27Connell As the quotes are used in the main body of the text on this article we can address them, If all agree. Regards --Domer48 12:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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Belgium
First point- I believe I've read that O'Connell was considered for king of the new Catholic Belgium. Second point- Was it true that you could not throw a stone over a wall in Dublin without hitting one of his children? Bostoneire 18:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

New aspects to add
It gets a B- and deserves better. Here are some areas for inclusion that I don't have refs to hand for:
 * He studied for the bar thanks to the Catholic Relief Act of 1793 pushed by Henry Grattan. The same Act allowed Catholics to vote again.
 * Nothing on the British cabinet resigning in 1801 when George III would not accept emancipation as part of the union.
 * The D'esterre duel arose when he described the Dublin Corpo's provision for the poor as "beggarly" (which it was).
 * The Corpo served itself not the ascendancy. Most were conservative but a minority were liberals.
 * Nothing on the Catholic "veto" which delayed emancipation.
 * Nothing on how Grattan assisted the campaign in London for emancipation until 1820.
 * O'C also worked towards what became the Reform Act 1832, allowing more people to vote.
 * I don't see anything on his help for the starving organized during the 1840s famine.Red Hurley 15:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

 * How nice of this Mr O'Connell chap to work to "allow more people to vote" in 1832. Is this the very same Daniel O'Connell who conspired with the British government to raise the annual rental value required to vote from £2 to £10, and thus took the vote off 100,000 native Irish Catholics/nationalists, as a quid pro quo for the British passing Catholic Relief Act of 1829? This article is far too kind to this individual. 109.77.56.84 (talk) 15:02, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The British government did raise the bar to £10, which went a considerable way to blunting the effects of Catholic Emancipation. This is the first time I have read that O'Connell was instrumental in effecting this legislation. Could you quote your authority please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.17.30.44 (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

This is not a good article
It reads like a third-rate history essay - horribly turgid, far too much "filler" and a narrative that gets overwhelmed by tangential material. Somebody needs to do a serious pruning job, retaining the facts and cutting out the waffle. That's just my opinion as a casual, unbiased reader. It takes too much effort to read it through to the end.Godingo 18:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was in better shape at the start of 2006 but has since become bloated with all kinds of misc. information scattered around the place in no chronological order. I've started to re-order some of this info to make the article more readable.Hohenloh (talk) 00:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Freemasonry
There is some evidence to suggest that O'Connell participated in some forms of Freemasonry. Of course, many politicians and other public figures were also members at the time, but O'Connell's involvement would arguably weaken his reputation as a Catholic, since several papal bulls at the time declared the lodges to be anathema. It should be said however that O'Connell reportedly gave up his membership after 1837, when pressure started to build on him to be in better standing with the Church. ADM (talk) 12:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, he was an enthusiastic member because of his United Irish friends who were pro-enlightenment in the 1790s. O'Connell had a religious reawakening from 1820, was not a frequent lodge attender, and was actually expelled from it in 1837, see this 2008 book review. Why remains a secret.86.42.218.15 (talk) 11:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * O'Connell's "United Irish" friends? Is this the same O'Connell who joined the British military forces in 1798 to violently suppress the United Irishmen? 79.97.64.240 (talk) 19:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

 * LOL. O'Connell acted as a silk for Grand Lodge Ireland and there are reliable sources all over the web for his membership of Freemasonry. Articles appeared in "The Builder" in May 1916 and Oct 1921, but a quick google search will give you lots of reliable sources for O'Connell's membership. He's in the list of Freemasons on wikipedia. He was initiated in 1799 in Lodge Dublin # 189. His membership appears not to have been causal. In addition to being a Past Master, he is reported as being the First Junior Warden of Lodge No. 13, Limerick (those lodge numbers 189 & 13 look strange to me). Bishop Troy is said to have pressured him to resign (Troy was pressuring masons in the 1840's to do so), but O'Connell writes to the newspaper "The Pilot" in 1837 acknowledging his past membership but confirming he is no longer a member due to not being able to take Oaths as a Catholic while also making reference to "ecclesiastic censure " against membership. Quatuor Coronati has produced several papers on him and he's often in reliable lists of famous freemasons. There are several different details on his resignation, some say he was excluded. However most sources say he resigned
 * Sources http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/the_builder_1921_october.htm http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/the_builder_1916_may.htm Melbournemason (talk) 13:53, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

 * More on those strange lodge numbers "Daniel O'Connell was Initiated in 1799 in Masonic Lodge No. 189, Dublin. He was the W.M. of No. 189 in 1800, an affiliate member of Ancient Union Lodge No. 13, Limerick City and the Founder Senior Warden of Lodge No. 886, Tralee, County Kerry." http://www.irishmasonichistory.com/connor-lodge-no-189-past-masters-jewel-1962.html
 * Melbournemason (talk) 13:53, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Assasination attempt.
My Irish grandmother often told a story that there had been an attempt to poison O'Connell at a function in England. But the attempt was thwarted when an Irish waitress was able to warn him (speaking in Irish) and he was able to "accidently" drop his poisoned wine glass. I can't find any evidence of this, and wonder if it is an urban legend that started later. The story was a verse that formed part of Irish language lessons, and she could recite it verbatim. Anyone know of this.--Dmol (talk) 03:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * PS - I found the verse on the Irish language Wikipedia,

"A Dhónaill Uí Chonaill, an dtuigeann tú Gaeilge?" "Tuigim go maith í, a chailín ó Éirinn." "Tá nimh i do chupán a mharódh na céadta!" "Maith tú, a chailín, is tabharfaidh mé spré duit."

But it's unreference, and I don't speak Irish so can't read the surrounding text. Hopefully this might narrow it down for a native speaker to find for us.--Dmol (talk) 07:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

 * The heading in the Irish Wiki says this is a typical piece of folklore about O'Connell and the Irish language. The text explanation in Irish is similar to above, except that he was drinking from a cup (tea) and after being warned by the waitress he replaced the cup and took another cup. The man who then took O'Connell's cup died. O'Connell could speak fluent Irish. Hope this helps! Hohenloh 00:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

My Mother often recited the above words which translated means:-

Daniel O'Connell, do you understand Irish? I do indeed, colleen from Ireland There's poison in your cup that would kill hundreds Thank you Colleen, I will give you a (spré)? perhaps dowery? not familiar with the word sorry Nuala Donegal Gaeltacht — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.26.9 (talk) 10:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Quote mark
I removed the quote mark from Daniel O'Connell before "whipped his MPs into line" because there is no closing quote mark to tell where the quote ends (the quote marks around "Opium War" balance each other). The reference is off-line. Art LaPella (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Irish language.
Would he REALLY have spoken Gaelic as his first language? If not, it seems somewhat absurd to list his name first as Dónal Ó Conaill, a name in a language that was basically dead at the time he lived. Wikipedia is supposed to represent facts, however inconvenient they may be for one's political agenda. I'd compare it to listing Amschel Rothschild's name first in Hebrew. I realise some radical Irish revisionist would like to imagine that Gaelic has always been their nation's primary language, but it was simply not the case! 76.19.26.248 (talk) 04:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The language was far from 'dead' in O'Connell's youth, particularly in rural Kerry. He was also fostered out to a local family of 'limited means' in his early childhood where the household language was Irish. See Oliver MacDonagh's bio. RashersTierney (talk) 11:11, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Irish was absolutely the first language in Kerry of O'Connell's youth. See Patrick Geoghegan's biography. Up to the 1840s, roughly half of Ireland's c.8 million inhabitants used it as their native language. Whcih makes it all teh more interesting that O'Connell himself declared himself, as a utilitarian, uninterested in the language. Jdorney (talk) 10:00, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What an extraordinarily ignorant thing for 76.19.26.248 to write. Incredible. We can assume by his reference to Irish as "Gaelic" he's not only historically uninformed but comes armed with all the anti-Irish prejudices of the British rightwing. 109.77.56.84 (talk) 14:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * See under Gaelic Revival and Gaeltacht. See also Joyce's Ulysses, where Buck Mulligan (a character based on Oliver St. John Gogarty) refers to Irish as 'Gaelic' in the opening scene. The only person who speaks Irish in the scene is Haines, a visiting English student, and he speaks it to the old woman who comes to deliver the milk, and neither she, nor Mulligan, nor fellow lodger Stephen Dedalus (Joyce) can understand a word of it. The old woman asks Haines, 'Are you from west, sir?' Khamba Tendal (talk) 17:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Birthplace - Cashen not Carhen
I believe the birthplace of O'Connell was Cashen not Carhen: See: http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/C/Cahir-Iveragh-Kerry.php also: http://archive.org/stream/sportsmaninirel00dixgoog#page/n196/mode/2up/search/birthplace Peter Clarke  14:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Carhen seems far more popular than Cashen on Google Books, especially as a lot of the Cashen results don't seem to be talking about a birthplace but the river. Cashen Bay is apparently near Ballyduff, which is about 90km northeast of Cahersiveen, and there's certainly no dispute that he was born in/near Cahersiveen. So given "The Cashen" (see Cashen Bay) isn't near at all, I'm thinking that can't be the place being referred to. 2 lines of K  303  22:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough! Peter Clarke  13:09, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Freemason
Can anyone confirm or refute the statment that O'Connell was a Brother? Fergananim (talk) 04:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * He was, and left them when the Catholic Church prohibited membership, according to this source. RashersTierney (talk) 21:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Irish Nationalist
O'Connell falls under the WikiProject as an Irish Nationalist. "Welcome to the Irish Republicanism WikiProject, a collaboration of editors dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of Irish republicanism, Irish nationalism, and related organizations, peoples, and other topics". Finnegas (talk) 17:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Clarify?
Requesting clarification: In the "beliefs" section, when it mentions that O'Connell wanted to keep the Opium War going, does that mean he was pro-UK or pro-Qing? Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

RE: His distaste towards duelling
http://www.victorianweb.org/history/pms/dizzy.html

A duel between himself and Disraili was planned but ultimately abandoned after police intervention, contradicting the articles quite strong statements that he would never duel again and abhorred killing.

"In 1835 Disraeli and Daniel O'Connell quarrelled publicly over press reports that O'Connell had been called a 'traitor and incendiary' by Disraeli. The pair were to fight a duel but the police intervened and Disraeli was bound over to keep the peace. This was the first of their confrontations."

Quoted from above website. Nathan3166 (talk) 09:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Daniel O'Connell was a freemason!
According to the following website Daniel O'Connell was a freemason. (http://www.irishmasonichistory.com/a-brief-history-of-grand-lodge.html) 79.97.64.240 (talk) 19:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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Disraeli
The article has a short section of his feud with Disraeli. Would it not be worth mentioning Disraeli's famous retort, something along the lines of:

‘Yes, I am a Jew, and while the ancestors of the right honourable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon.'”

I dare say that as with many famous quotes, different versions exist, and disputes as to when or whether or not he actually said it.Paulturtle (talk) 04:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

There is no firm evidence that Disraeli actually said this - most Disraeli scholars doubt that he did. So probably best not to include it.

Rocon17 (talk) 05:52, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, not necessarily. Debunking popular myths is something that the internet is rather good at. But I'm not going to argue about it.Paulturtle (talk) 06:11, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Legacy
The suggestion that O’Connell was an inspiration to later activists such as Gandhi and MLK, while a seemingly reasonable assertion, cannot be supported by any source I can find. In fact I can’t even find any source to prove they were even aware he existed. In the absence of evidence, such suggestions should be removed. - 05:44, 9 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.152.252.139 (talk)

Why no mention of Disraeli?
It is well known of Disraeli's and O'Connell's rivalry and the latter's antisemitic views toward the former. Why is there not a single mention of O'Connell's contemporary and famous rival? Gaelicbow (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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I was assigned to improve this bio at random, and I can find little online about this person besides echoes of the Wikipedia article. The information does not appear contentious, but it is troubling that there is almost nothing on the web (in English, at least) or the CIA World Fact Book. I checked Google, Bing. Found an entry on ZoomInfo.com crediting Intellius.comAdallas (talk) 21:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

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Pedro Mascarenhas

D. Pedro Mascarenhas (1480 – 16 June 1555) was a Portuguese explorer and colonial administrator. He was the first European to discover the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in 1512. He also encountered the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius in 1512, although he may not have been the first Portuguese explorer to do so; earlier expeditions by Diogo Dias and Afonso de Albuquerque along with Diogo Fernandes Pereira may have encountered the islands. In 1528 explorer Diogo Rodrigues (after whom the island of Rodrigues is named) named the islands of Réunion, Mauritius, and Rodrigues the Mascarene Islands, after the name of Mascarenhas.

He was ambassador from Portugal to the Holy See, where he appealed to Pope Paul III for the coming of the first jesuits for the Portuguese missions in India, at request of King John III and Diogo de Gouveia. His mission ended on 15 March 1540, when he travelled back to Portugal together with Francis Xavier. After this, he served in the Portuguese court and took a special role in the education and household of Prince John, the son of John III of Portugal. He was also involved by the King in the Portuguese withdrawal from Moroccan fortresses in 1549. In 1554, King John III forced him for the post of viceroy of India. Mascarenhas tried to resist, arguing with his age but the King forced him to accept the post.

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Why???? He's a well-known referee in the WWE and all the wrestling world...

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Release
Can you really say he's been released? It hasn't been announced on WWE.com. I know it's not exactly like a referee is as high-profile as in-ring talent, but you'd figure he'd be listed along with all the other guys who were supposedly released today and haven't been announced as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrettxPW (talk • contribs) 21:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Tag Match
He was in a Tag Match, Teaming With The Dudley Boys facing The Rock, Chris Jericho and referee Mike Chioda

Referee Earl Hebner throws Patrick back in the ring while he's trying to run away

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Nate Wayne

Nathaniel Wayne, Jr. (born January 12, 1975) is a former American football linebacker in the National Football League (NFL). He played college football at the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss.) He graduated with a degree in criminal justice. He was known as "Mr. Monday Night", as he consistently performed well on Monday Night Football.

Professional career
Wayne was drafted in the seventh round with 219th selection in the 1998 NFL draft. He played one game for the Denver Broncos in 1998, when they won their second straight Super Bowl. He played a slightly larger role on the team in 1999, but was mainly a special teamer. He signed with the Green Bay Packers and play with them as a starter for three years recording 298 tackles, ten sacks, six interceptions, five forced fumbles and five fumble recoveries, and 23 passes defensed.

Wayne signed a four-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles on March 14, 2003. He started in 2003, but was limited to playing on nickel packages in 2004, due to the promotion of Jeremiah Trotter, and movement of Mark Simoneau to weakside linebacker. Even then he lost playing time to Keith Adams. Wayne was the first Eagle released in the 2005 off-season, and signed with the Lions later that year.

Personal life
Wayne has a wife, Tamiko, and three children. He also owns a Coldstone Creamery in Atlantic Station in Atlanta, Georgia where he currently resides. He is also a devout Jehovah's Witness.

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Willy Mason

Willy Mason (born November 21, 1984) is an American singer-songwriter.

Early life
Mason was born in White Plains, New York, the son of Jemima James and Michael Mason, both songwriters. Mason is a direct descendant of the 19th-century philosopher William James, the brother of novelist Henry James.

When Mason was five, he and his family moved from Tarrytown, New York to West Tisbury, Massachusetts, on the island of Martha's Vineyard.

He attended Chilmark Elementary School through 5th grade, West Tisbury Elementary School and Martha's Vineyard Regional High School, where he participated in several local bands such as Keep Thinking, Cultivation, and Slow Leslie. He also was in the MVRHS Minnesingers and performed in musical theater productions.

Career
Mason's first commercial release was a five-track extended-play album G-Ma's Basement EP. This included solo acoustic recordings of "Live It Up", "Hard Hand to Hold", "Waiter at the Station", "Not Lie Down" and "Oxygen". The album was sold during 2004 live appearances and on the internet.

Mason's popularity rose after Sean Foley, an associate of musician Conor Oberst, discovered his music on a local Martha's Vineyard radio broadcast. Oberst would soon sign Mason to his new record label, Team Love Records and in the summer of 2004, Mason and his brother Sam traveled to Old Soul Studios in the Catskill Mountains, New York, to record Where the Humans Eat. Recording sessions were mostly live, in no more than three takes, featuring Willy Mason's guitar and vocals, and Sam Mason (director) on the drums. Minimal overdubs of guitar, bass and other instruments were added later. The album was released in the U.S. in October 2004, and by Virgin Records in the United Kingdom in February 2005. The album and its singles ("Oxygen" and "So Long"), charted in the UK Singles Chart and Albums Chart in 2005.

After many live appearances throughout 2004 and 2005, culminating with a performance at the Glastonbury Festival, Mason took time off and returned to his family's home on Martha's Vineyard. He began writing new songs and put a band together, featuring Nina Violet on viola and backing vocals, and Zak Borden on mandolin. In early 2006, they began touring the U.S. and Europe, along with other musicians. He supported Beth Orton, Death Cab For Cutie, Radiohead, KT Tunstall and Sondre Lerche.

Mason released his second album, If the Ocean Gets Rough, in March 2007. The same year, he also provided vocals for the track "Battle Scars" on the album We Are the Night (2007) by The Chemical Brothers. The song "Pickup Truck", recorded live at Aboveground Records in Edgartown, Massachusetts, is included on Radio Waves, Vol. 1, a compilation album of music from Martha's Vineyard, and was released on June 29, 2007, to help purchase transmitting equipment for WVVY-LP, a new community radio station. A live set at the Austin City Limits festival was also released in 2007.

Mason also sang on two songs on the album Hawk (2010) by Isobel Campbell and Mark Lanegan. He also featured in "No Room For Doubt", from Lianne La Havas's EP "Lost & Found" (and subsequently her debut album Is Your Love Big Enough?), which was released on October 21, 2011 on the Labour of Love label.

He toured small venues in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland in 2011, and during the tour he recorded a live session at 80 Hertz Studios in The Sharp Project, Manchester. The single "We Can Be Strong" was featured in the series finale of the British sitcom ''Fresh Meat' in late 2011.

On September 21, 2012, Mason announced the release of his third album Carry On. It was to be released on December 3, and would be his first album released on Fiction Records. The record was produced by Dan Carey. To accompany the album Mason played a sold-out tour of the UK in the first week of December. In November 2012, Mason toured with Ben Howard as a supporting act. He also toured Australia in October 2012 with Mumford and Sons and Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros. He performed at Mumford and Sons' Gentlemen of the Road festivals across North America in 2013. An EP Don't Stop Now was released on Communion Records in the US on January 14, 2013, supported by a four-week tour. Communion Records released Carry On in the US in 2013.

On February 5, 2013, Mason and Brendan Benson put to tape Upstairs at United Vol. 7. Benson produced, assembled, and conducted an arsenal of stellar musicians who graced the sacred space upstairs at United Record Pressing with seven songs all written by Mason's folk artist parents Jemima James and Michael Mason.

In September 2015, Mason toured Australia as a member of the ensemble cast of "A State of Grace", a themed concert featuring the music of Tim and Jeff Buckley. Later in the year he provided vocals on Jamie Woon's single Celebration from his album Making Time.

Albums

 * Where the Humans Eat (2004) No. 38 UK (2005 release)
 * If the Ocean Gets Rough (2007) No. 33 UK, No. 60 Ireland
 * Carry On (2012)
 * Upstairs at United, Vol. 7 - Willy Mason & Brendan Benson (2013)
 * Already Dead (2021)

EPs

 * Untitled (G-Ma's Basement) EP (2004) (U.K. and U.S.)
 * Hard Hand to Hold (Radiate) EP (2004) (U.K. only)
 * Hard to Lie Down (Radiate) EP (2005) (U.K. only)
 * Scraps (Radiate / Astralwerks) EP (2006) (U.S. only)
 * March 28, 2006 EP (2006) (worldwide)
 * It's Easy to Talk EP (2007) (worldwide)
 * gmb01 Live Tour EP (2009) (U.K. only)
 * So Long Baby Shoes EP (2010) (worldwide)
 * Live at Grange Hall (2011) (worldwide)

Singles

 * "Oxygen (Radiate)" (2005) No. 23 (U.K. only)
 * "So Long (Radiate)" (2005) No. 45 (U.K. only)
 * "Hard Hand to Hold " (2005)
 * "Save Myself (Radiate)" (2007) No. 42 U.K.
 * "We Can Be Strong" feat KT Tunstall (Radiate)(2007) No. 52 U.K.
 * "Talk Me Down" (2013)
 * "Youth On A Spit" (2021)

Other contributions

 * WFUV: City Folk Live VII (2004) – "Oxygen"
 * Acoustic 07 (2007, V2 Records) – "Oxygen"
 * The Saturday Sessions: The Dermot O'Leary Show (2007, EMI) – "Careless Whisper"

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