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re:adminship
Okay, if you ever change your mind about being an admin, let me know and I'll nominate you. You (Talk) July 8, 2005 17:08 (UTC)

re:Admin tools
As for a description of what all they do and a list of them, Administrators' how-to guide can probably explain it better than I can. Also, I may be missing a few since most of what I've done as an admin (and probably most of what I will do) is delete speedy candidates. The interface doesn't look much different.
 * There are "protect" (or unprotect) and "delete" tabs between history and move, and there's no change to the "edit this page" button on protected pages. Protected pages can be edited, but there is a warning above the edit box that says "WARNING: This page has been locked so that only administrators can edit it. Be sure you are following the protected page guidelines."
 * On the watchlist and recent changes, "(Talk)" beside each edit is "(Talk | block)" and the "block" link leads to a page with instructions on how to block an IP adress, a table of AOL and NTL dynamic IPs, and fields for "IP or username," "expiry," and "reason" with a "block this user" button under them.
 * In history lists, user contribution lists, and page version comparisons, there is a bold blue link that says "rollback" that is a one-touch revert tool (to the last version not by the most recent author, this may revert several edits) beside the most recent edit heading (user, edit summary, etc.)
 * If you go to a deleted page, aside from the "Wikipedia does not have a page called..." there's a link that says "View or restore x deleted edits" which can be used to view edits, see when and who deleted the page (sometimes multiple times,) and see who made any deleted version of the page (although without diffs to compare versions.) This also appears in the history of a deleted page, or a recreated page.

I think that's most of it, let me know if you have any more questions! Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:17, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

My user page
Please stop removing stuff from my user page and editing my comments. --SPUI (talk) 21:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

SPUI's user page
Please don't edit others' user pages. This is considered vandalism. — Knowledge Seeker দ 21:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Stevey. I agree with you that I would rather User:SPUI not include that material on his user page. I can understand you removing it the first time, although I would have talked to SPUI first, but I don't think you should have reverted to your version without even discussing it. In general, if someone has something inappropriate on his or her user page, I think that bringing it up with the user should be the first step. Now while I agree that I don't think material like that is really appropriate, Wikipedia has traditionally allowed wide latitude in what people can put on their user pages, and they are especially lenient for long-time contributors. Scanning User page yields some apropos comments: "What can I have on my user page? Whatever you like, within some reasonable boundaries...In general, avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission, but feel free to correct typos and other mistakes...The Wikipedia community is fairly tolerant and offers fairly wide latitude in applying these guidelines [on what is appropriate] to regular participants...If the community lets you know that they'd rather you deleted some or other content from your user space, you should probably do so, at least for now - such content is only permitted with the consent of the community. After you've been here for a year or so, and written lots of great articles, the community may be more inclined to let you get away with it" (feel free to read it to see if I've omitted anything relevant). Since SPUI clearly disagreed with its removal, from policy and precedent I'd say the next step (which should have been the first step, in my opinion) is to discuss with him; if that fails, then discuss with the community—if enough people agree, then it would be appropriate to remove the material against SPUI's wishes. My guess, though, is that that level of agreement won't be there. Finally, I should say that I don't feel anal is an offensive word at all, unlike some of its slang equivalents. And I'm really not convinced that gay sex is inappropriate either—would "straight sex" be less inappropriate? Thanks for asking my opinion, and I welcome further discussion on this or other matters. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:30, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with both of you that that shouldn't be on SPUI's userpage, and have suggested that it be removed myself. Feel free to second my request. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 19:40, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Fonzie Fan
From what I read at Requests_for_comment, Fonzie Fan has been blocked, along with some of his socks. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Special:Ipblocklist Fonzie Fan isn't on this list (only his sockpuppets,) unless I missed it... Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:29, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Damn, your right. I was going by what Radiant said, but I am going to ask him what is going on. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:37, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Seán Keating
I don't get it, you want the talk page to be deleted or the whole article? I hope the former! Notjim 21:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Great and thanks for your help! Sorry to be dumb about this, but what would happen if you just removed all the content from the talk page? Notjim 21:53, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, the misleading blue! I get it now. Thanks a million. Notjim 21:57, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

user who edited North Africa
Hi Steve, my name is Imad, I received your comment about my edit: what exactly is the problem? Do I need an account in order to edit? to tell you about myself: I was born and raised in Casablanca, travelled all over Morocco, Mauritania and Algeria. I am a young professional living and working in Iowa.

re: Admin nomination
Done. See Requests for adminship/Stevey7788. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 21:19, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * You may want to move your comments under where it says "Candidate, please accept nomination here." The fact that there's nothing there may look bad to people who vote on your adminship; I've seen people vote oppose over things like that. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 22:15, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

TfD tags
Hi, you added a TfD tag to the main page of Template:20-cen. I had already put a notice on the talk page. Putting a TfD tag in the template of what is a textual template distrupts the articles that use it with TfD template. Please do check the 'what links here' and the nature of the template before tagging things of that nature. (PS. I imagine your involvement is inspired by your RfA; that's great, but do be careful even so.) -Splash 13:08, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd also left a message on the author's talk page, so due notice has been given. -Splash 13:12, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Good luck with the RfA. -Splash 16:59, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

''One more thing: I have often seen the TfD tag attached to many templates, and I sometimes see the TfD template message in articles. That was why I attached the TfD message to Template:20-cen.'' (cross posted here for context)

You are right to an extent. Normally, the TfD tag goes on the template itself to alert those who see it, such as with the nonsense template at the moment. However, the partic template 20-cen is a pure text template, so it used in the middle of the flow of text in articles. This means that, when the TfD notice turns up, it scrambles the layout of the text surrounding it. In these, rare, cases it is better to but the tag on the talk. In most other situations, it can go on the template proper. -Splash 20:06, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That would explain it. If, when viewing the template you click the "what links here" in the toolbox to the left, you'll see which articles use it. Click on one of those to see how they use it: for small templates, it may (as it is in this case) be necessary to study the wikicode for the page. Unfortunately, the only way to tell what would happen when you TfD-tag it would be to try it out, which isn't really acceptable. So some judgement is needed. -Splash 21:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Who's RFA
Thank you for your vote of support on my RFA. I would normally support your RFA, but do not personally believe in voting while a user has an open RFA, (note I voted for Essjay before I was on RFA). Keep up the good work, and good luck. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 20:00, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

''I really think that just because you are a current RfA candidate, you can't vote. RedWolf24 and Essjay supported each other, even though they are BOTH candidates on the RfA. So feel free to oppose (or support) me my nomination, and hopefully you can block me in the future. :) — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)''

Your blocked for 10 nano-seconds :). It's just a personal preference, it just seems like its cross-promoting, or campaigning for votes. (If you vote for me, then I'll vote for you) type thing. It's only a personal preference, don't really mind if others do it.  Thanks for replying.  ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  21:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

re:Is my user page notice good or bad?
Personally, I don't think it's advertising or anything and don't see how it would look bad for your RfA. It will almost certainly bring in more votes of all types, and so long as you don't mention it in every other comment you make, I don't see how it looks bad. However, I know that I can't speak for everyone, and if you're worried about it, then maybe you should take it down. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:14, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Heavy metal music
I have answered your questions over at the Talk page of Heavy metal music, excuse the delay. Contact me or post a follow-up on said page if you need further clarification. --Sn0wflake 06:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Bobby Fischer FAC
Could you answer my question on Featured_article_candidates/Bobby_Fischer when you get a chance? Thanks. --malathion talk 21:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for voting in my RfA; I promise I'll wield my sacred mop with care. If you ever need me for anything, you know where to find me. Thanks again! -- Essjay ·  Talk 15:32, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

More thanks
Thank you so much for the barnstar! I truly appreciate it. - Lucky 6.9 17:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
I'd like to thank you for the Barnstar -- it's quite an honor to receive one, especially coming from a user who has contributed so much. Wikipedia is a truly amazing project, one I'd have thought unworkable without seeing it grow so well. Again, thank you. --Zantastik talk  22:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

African American Contemporary issues
Hey, Stevey. Thanks for stopping by my talk page w/a heads-up on this. I dropped by and left my two cents' worth. I'm really busy at the moment, but will check in and possibly contribute to this piece later. Maybe. (I have some reservations about the piece's existence -- let alone its content.) Peace 2 u.

Your RFA...
Umm... wow. I'm suprised there's so much opposition, especially when I consider you worthier of adminship than I am and my self-nom passed 10/0/1. Anyway, I'll probably re-nominate you in a couple of months once everyone forgets about this whole "censorship" thing. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 18:48, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by the way, I removed the notice on your userpage since it officially failed :(. Hope you don't mind. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 15:37, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Good news

 * 13:35, 27 July 2005 David Gerard blocked "User:DrZoidberg" with an expiry time of indefinite (account only tries to break sandbox; zero article edits in nine months). This can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:12, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Tom Brinkman
You were kind enough to support my nomination of Helen Gandy as a featured article and I wonder if you would look at my newest FAC, Tom Brinkman. The voting page is at Featured article candidates/Tom Brinkman/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 14:55, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Message from Fonzie Fan
Fonzie Fan has no intention of page moving or "breaking the sandbox" or anything of that nature. Sometimes I get a little crazy (I dont always know WHAT'S going to spill out of my cranium).If Im told Im getting out of line, I take a break.

Another response from Fonzie Fan
Well, "Fonzie" is a character on a 1970s sitcom set in the 1950s called Happy Days. See Happy Days and Fonzie for more details.

"Fonzie Fan" is an online character/alter ego. I would tell you more about Fonzie Fan but Im not sure what he is myself. Anyways, he's not in today.(I do have his password ,though.)

I only post to the sandbox when I feel that "mood" coming on.

Tiger x86
Hi - I saw you were working on the Tiger x86 article. Read what I wrote on the creator's discussion page at User_talk:70.249.208.165. They now posted on my talk page - only after someone on the same IP posted that they didn't edit it. Weird. Two people on the same IP - they insist that they're not at a library or anything. Does this usually happen? From what I've seen that doesn't really make sense...--Bcshell 05:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

RFA,Zoid,Fun
Thank you for support. I ultimately hope that Zoidberg becomes a responsible contributer. At least I hope he doesn't take it the wrong way. Ultimately he has to grow up. If he doesn't respond then I think it would be good to leave it things the way they are now. We did our part. I've been through job burn-outs, depressions, etc. It is important to have fun and do crazy things once in a while in life. --Jondel 07:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Changes to the blocking function
Stevey,

With the latest upgrade of the MediaWiki software, a blocked user can still edit his/her User page and User talk page, and those pages only. DrZoidberg is correct in saying that he cannot edit articles at the moment. (You can also check the block log to verify this.) If you think he should be unblocked, I would suggest taking the issue up (politely) with the blocking admin, David Gerard. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:39, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Er, you're more than welcome to contact David Gerard directly through his talk page; you don't need me to act as an intermediary. I'm really not sure if unblocking DrZoidberg is going to be particularly productive or useful.  If he wants to start contributing to Wikipedia, he could always start a new account—one that doesn't have this cloud hanging over it.  If he makes productive edits and stays out of the sandbox, nobody will ever know, or care. (Note that if he starts a new account just to play in the sandbox, it will draw the ire of admins.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've decided to be bold and bring to David Gerard's attention that DrZoidberg has expressed interest in contributing. Since you believe that unblocking him may be a good idea, I would like for you to comment as well.  Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:27, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Stevey, please be careful about what opinions you attribute to me in your request to David Gerard. When I said "I'm really not sure if unblocking DrZoidberg is going to be particularly productive or useful", I didn't exactly mean it as a ringing endorsement. Oh well. Hopefully DrZoidberg will become a productive member of the community. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Duck knife
I took it myself, at a restaurant. --SPUI (talk) 23:09, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Zscout's RfA
I don't really oppose Zscout's RfA. I just felt that someone should oppose. If it is a real problem, I will change my vote, but I cannot see that one oppose vote matters. I have absolutely nothing wrong with Zscout's nomination, I was just playing Devil's Advocate. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 23:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Wow... my very own barnstar. It's so shiny. :) Thank you very, very much. I hope I can truly correspond to your kind words. I shall continue my work, now with added motivation. --Sn0wflake 23:58, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

out of curiosity
what is it exactly that drzoidberg has been doing that is making everybody so angry? isn't the sandbox meant to be altered like that? (forgive me i'm still a beginner here) --jonasaurus 02:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

 * i see what you are saying about drzoidberg. and i've looked through all of his actions, and i believe that he is just seeking attention. The dedication that the wikicommunity has to maintaining a calm manner in the face of his actions is what fuels him. Basically, I think that he likes to make a mockery of wikipedia and get attention for himself, while at the same time he must have a respect for wikipedia. (he must have a sock puppet i believe - nobody can resist making an article edit for long - especially not a year). If everybody is willing to ignore him, then he will go away or join the wikipedia community. Do you agree? --jonasaurus 19:31, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I couldn't help but laugh a little bit while thinking about the situation.... But honestly. How long do you think he'll keep on editing as DrZiodberg after people start ignoring him? The whole reason he is doing this is to annoy other people. Just like one kid bullying another, if the bully is ignored, then he has no benefit from bullying, and it will stop. --jonasaurus 19:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC) Also, how do I get nominated for adminship. I'd like to do more work on valdalism fixs/welcoming the experimenter, and I would like the rollback button to help me. Who can nominate me, and does that person need to be an admin?

WikiProject California
Welcome to WP:CAL (aka WikiProject California). Although I have been mostly working on the Southern California WikiProject, still I have been trying to turn both projects into active WikiProjects with the necessary critical mass of participants. Please look around the project and let me know if you have any questions or comments. Also take a look at the SoCal WikiProject. That project has been through some reorganization, and I am thinking of reorganizing the Calif WP to match.

I also want to let you know that I restored the stub template to the East Los Angeles, California article. The stubsensor project had already removed it from that article once (as well as removing the geo-stubs from most city and community articles). My personal opinion is that when figuring if an article is a geo-stub, that one should not count any of the User:Rambot-created data (the Geography and Demographics sections), so I have been putting the 	California-geo-stub template back into any articles that are roughly less than ten sentences not counting the Rambot data. Blank Verse  ∅  00:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for responding. Most of the names that you mention I recognize, and I imagine the few that I didn't probably edit mostly Northern Calif. articles. I'm trying not to pester too many people all at once about both of the new WikiProject, especially since many of them in the SoCal area probably received several messages about the first LA-area meetup that happened last month.

 * As you've pointed out, there are a fair number of Wikipedia editors who who edit articles on California topics. I feel that there are a number of things that could probably benefit from the coordinated efforts of some of the editors that regularly edit Calif. topics. That is the reason that I created both WikiProjects.

 * As an example, the way the California topics are categorized (and expecially the LA-area topics) is a real mess. To clean things up and reorganize it all will take either the dedicated effort of one hyper-obessive individual, or a group of people working together on different sections. Blank Verse   ∅  03:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Since you are interested in city and community articles, you might take a look at the worksheet that I've started working on for cities and communities in LA County. Once it has been filled (and the table formatting fixed) I'll move it from a subpage under my User name to a subpage of SoCal WikiProject. I hope that it will make it easier to know which city and community articles need work. For example, every city article should have the date that the city was incorporated, but a large percentage of them currently don't have that info. From the founded or incorporated date, that will help identify cities that would be worth looking up at the Library of Congress and the LA County library websites to try and find pre-1923 out-of-copyright images for the city. Etc. I would be interested in knowing if you have any suggestions or comments on my worksheet. Blank Verse   ∅  05:45, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

 * One thing that needs to be added to the worksheet is an explanation of some of the columns. The "Paragraphs" column, for example, is for the number of paragraphs not added by Rambot (the Geography and Demographics sections). I'm thinking that column should probably be changed to the number of sentences. Either way, a low number in the column is a good indication of an article that needs greater attention. Blank Verse   ∅  19:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

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Urias etermamente enamorado.jpg

 * This image is an orphan.
 * Image:Urias eternamente enamorado.jpg is linked to Adolfo Urías
 * Image:Urias etermamente enamorado.jpg is an orphan. These are the same images. Can we delete one? Thanks Nv8200p 23:24, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for voting to support my RFA. I've been promoted, and I promise to wield the mop with good faith, patience, and fairness... except when I'm exterminating vandals with the M-16 recoilless nuclear Gatling mop. --malathion talk 07:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Func's RfA :)
Stevey7788, thank you for supporting my adminship, much appreciated! :)

Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.

Func( t, c, e, ) 19:00, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
On a similar theme, just a quick note to thank you for your support and your kind words. They're an excellent motivation for me to live up to them. Hope I see you around. Happy editing! Slac speak up!  22:43, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for supporting my nomination. AlistairMcMillan 09:35, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

From Fonzie Fan
Sorry it took so long to respond.I havent been on the computer much lately, and just havent "felt" like being Fonzie Fan.

Anyways, as far as the Dr. Zoidburg situation is concerned, I dont really feel its my place to tell him what to do since all my contributions are only in the sandbox also.

I also note that hes only allowed to come back on the condition that he makes a serious contribution. Im thinking that its only a matter of time before that condition is demanded of Fonzie Fan. Because of that, I should probably make a contribution outside the sandbox. What I have in mind is filling in some gaps on some of the music articles.(The album track list is what I particually have in mind.) Ill make a few sample pages, and then Id like your opinion.

Also-would it be violating sockpuppet rules being Fonzie Fan only in the sandbox and another name on the other pages?

Thanks
Hiya. Just wanted to thank you for supporting my recent RfA. Cheers! --Ngb 18:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Along similar lines, thanks for supporting my RfA, I promise that I will use my new powers for the betterment of Wikipedia as well as vandal whacking when the need arises. -Loren 00:42, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey
Hi, Stevey, I just wanted to say that I'm sorry that your request for adminship didn't pass last time around. It was unfortunate timing. That incident has passed and you have continued to do excellent work on Wikipedia. If you're amenable, I would like to renominate you for adminship. If you're not ready, or would prefer another to nominate you (or to nominate yourself), I understand as well). — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:43, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Dr. Zoidberg Ban
In response to: ''DrZoidberg has been permanently banned now. Do you think we should give him one more chance or just let him stay blocked? He never edited articles, and even Fonzie Fan has even edited articles. I don't think we should unblock him again, but what do you think? — Stevey7788 (talk) 21:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)''

 * I am strongly in favor of giving him another chance, and then ignoring any Sandbox edits he makes in the future. I believe that all he wants is attention, and that if we stop giving that to him, he will become an extremely valuable member of the Wikipedia community. From the content of his edits, it is obvious that he is a skilled editor, and if his Sandbox edits are ignored, then I am sure he will begin to make edits of a benevolent nature... On another note, I believe that DrZoidberg is the sockpuppet of another, highly active user, who uses the Zoidberg account to screw around. Is there any way to check up on my theory? --jonasaurus 23:39, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

''You're theory that DrZoidberg may be the sockpuppet of another highly active user is very likely - if you browse through DrZoidberg's contributions, you can see that he often makes only one edit a day and is sometimes gone for a week or more. He may probably be the sockpuppet of a serious user who is using the Zoidberg account to relieve his Wikistress (like Telgur the Trollslayer, who was Mkeise's sockpuppet), but I think this isn't too likely. His main account could probably be somebody who actually contributes but likes to joke around sometimes. — Stevey7788 (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2005 (UTC)''

 * Am I the first person to propose such a theory? Call it a hunch, but it just feels right to me that he is, whether a serious contributor or not, a highly experienced user. Is there any way to check if he is a sockpuppet or not? --jonasaurus 19:13, 19 August 2005 (UTC) PS... If you need to narrow down people to check against, I'd look at the people involved in his "trial," as I believe that his other username is very likely to appear as active in such a "trial" (returning to the scene of the crime).

 * Hi Stevey, Jonasaurus, sorry to intrude. Can't we reduce the block to one month? I feel that given enough time, people get tired and become responsible contributors.--Jondel 01:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

But the thing is - if he uses his main account to edit articles, it will be useless to persuade his DrZoidberg account to edit articles. Even if he contributes, we won't accomplish anything because DrZoidberg is ALREADY contributing from another account. So I say we should give him an indefinite block. OR, we could unblock him and just let Zoidberg play in the sandbox all day ... if anybody is willing to let him do that. — Stevey7788 (talk) 19:36, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Back Again
Stevey, I never thanked you for supporting my Tom Brinkman FAC nomination. I'm grateful and pleased to note it was successful. I've got another FAC now, the next congresswoman from Ohio, Jean Schmidt. The FAC page is here. I hope to get it featured by September 6, the day she will be sworn in. I'd appreciate your support. PedanticallySpeaking 17:15, August 23, 2005 (UTC) (P.S.  If you are worried about the "fair use" of her picture, when she's sworn, we'll be able to replace it with a nice U.S. government public domain photo.)

Image Tagging Image:Other latino sj1.gif
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wikiproject fungi
Though a bit late, I replied to your remark on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants. TeunSpaans 18:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Wolf
Hi, Stevey! Thanks for your comments at the wolf peer review. The article is now a Featured article candidate; please vote as you see fit. Thanks again, Sango  123  20:52, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

HappyCamper's RFA - Thanks for your support! :-)
Hi Stevey7788! Thanks for your support during my recent RFA. I'm now an administrator, and I really appreciated the positive comments you made during the voting process. I hope we'll get a chance to collaborate on some future editing projects. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you ever need anything - I'll do my best to help out. Thanks again for your support, and I'll see you around the Wiki! --HappyCamper 02:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Scimitar's RfA
I just wanted to thank you for your support on my adminship application, and even more so for the confidence that that vote implies. If you have any concerns, please let me know.--Scimitar parley 14:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Jtkiefer's RFA
Thanks for your support on my RFA. Jtkiefer T - 05:22, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Joolz's RFA
Hey Stevey7788, thanks for your vote on my recent RFA, your support was appreciated :) - I see you now have four RFA-thank you's in a row too ;) -- Joolz 11:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Splash's RfA
Hi there, Stevey7788. Thanks for the strong and considered support on my RfA. I was very pleasantly surprised to see so much support throughout the week. I was unsure if such long answers would be welcomed by those reading them: I'm glad you liked them. Please do keep an eye on me and my logs, especially while I'm learning the ropes with the new buttons. Thanks again! -Splash 18:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Alleged causes of Hurricane Katrina
I realize that there were strong feelings on both sides with respect to the outcome of the AfD for this article, now located at Alternative theories regarding Hurricane Katrina. I would like to assure those who expressed concerns about the content, tone, and potential for degradation of this article that I intend for it to continue to exist only as long as is necessary to draw the contributions of fringe theorists away from the more substantial Hurricane Katrina articles. Once interest in this topic dies down, I'll quietly trim and merge this information into the appropriate general-topic articles. In the interim, I will carefully watch this page to prevent it from being abused, and I will continue to work towards making this article NPOV, properly sourced, and useful to those seeking an accurate record of the hysterics that so often follows catastrophe. Cheers. -- BD2412 talk 00:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

At it again
I'm back at it again with my Bruce Johnson article, nominated as a FAC. He's Ohio's lieutenant governor and already at Featured article candidates/Bruce Johnson are votes opposing. I know I am a pest, but I find when I don't go out and ask folks such as yourself for their votes, my FAC's invariably are defeated. So I'd be grateful if you'd put your two cents worth in. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 18:14, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

La Raza
Sorry about the La raza to La aza move. "La Raza" should be capitalized "La raza de bronce" shouldn't. Because "La Raza" is unique ("The (one) Race"), and "La raza de bronce" implies more than one raza. Again, I apologize for the mistake. --Vizcarra 19:34, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Fungi
I'm interested in starting the Fungi WikiProject. It looks like we only have one other taker. Any ideas on how to get the word out? I just started an entry for Glomeromycota and noticed that there is a whole lot of work to be done on this kingdom. Mycota 22:36, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks
Thanks for your note about my Mark Felt FAC. I'm doing something non-political right now, James Aubrey. I hope to put it up as a FAC in a week or so. PedanticallySpeaking 14:07, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

an Igbo question.
Hi Steve,

I'm not at all sure that this is the appropriate location for such enquiries, but what the hey, I'm a desperate man.

I was wondering if you knew enough of Igbo to be able to say "I don't understand." in the language? Do you know anyone else who could perhaps provide a translation?

Yours in exasperation (unable to find Igbo speakers),

Prof A Sialle - retired.

Hi steve Obidikeeze here. Just wondering do you speak igbo?

Image missing
Someone deleted an image you created: the Hungarian image (Image:Hungarian1346.gif) from Maps of American ancestries. Any chance you have a copy still or could re-create it? Rmhermen 03:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Please check your WP:NA entry
Greetings, editor! Your name appears on List of non-admins with high edit counts. If you have not done so lately, please take a look at that page and check your listing to be sure that following the particulars are correct: Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BD2412 T 02:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
Greetings, Stevey! You voted on the previous FAC nomination of Bruce Johnson. I've resubmitted it and would appreciate your comments at Featured article candidates/Bruce Johnson. PedanticallySpeaking 21:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Want to make my own thematic maps
Stevey7788. I'm really interested in the thematic maps you put up, and I've been trying to figure out how to make my own with FactFinder. Could you post some directions -- I'm trying to make maps of racial segregation in Boston, MA and cant figure out how to get the level of detail (do you have it down to blocks, or tracts?) that you have. many thanks, Kimon (my email is k-wkp-ytv-20mar06@klhi.net -- email me when you get a chance to reply because this wikipedia stuff is still complicated to me)

Neologisms
Hi there, a while ago you made an edit on the Avoid neologisms guideline. I am proposing a revision to the guideline and I'm soliciting your comments. You can find the link to my rewrite at Wikipedia talk:Avoid neologisms -- cmh 01:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

TfD
You may be interested in Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_12, which was deleted last year, but has come back from the dead. ed g2s • talk 23:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

67.170.227.45
67.170.227.45 is vandALIZING again plz block him--The Nation 03:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Long talk page
Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 00:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. — Stevey7788 (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Another Map Image is Missing
Hey Stevey, I really have enjoyed your maps. I noticed someone already mentioned that the Hungarian Ancestry (Image:Hungarian1346.gif) image is missing from Maps of American ancestries. I'd like to add another one to the list: Czech Ancestry (Image:Czech1346.gif) which I noticed on User:Stevey7788/Maps. Bunnydammit 12:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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Music in Rostov Oblast

Rostov Oblast is a region of Russia, which contains the city of Rostov-on-Don. Rostov is known for choral music, having produced choirs like Anastasia, Lik and Don Choristers. It is also a center of Cossack music, as the region is one of the main settlement areas of the Don Cossacks. There is a Rostov Philharmonic Orchestra. The Don Musical Wave is a music festival that has been held in Rostov for 25 years.

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Talk:Mount Kinabalu

WP:SOAPBOX
Was reading through this article and there seems to be a fair bit of promotion on this page. The language choices aren't encyclopdedic, with examples being "Among this rich collection of wildlife are famous species such as the gigantic Rafflesia plants and the orangutan." and "recent botanical survey of the mountain estimated a staggering 5,000 to 6,000 plant species" etc. Although these aren't majorly biased, It does seem to be worth mentioning as the language reminds me of an old TV commercial campaign for visiting Malaysia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotASir (talk • contribs) 11:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Lore
Any local legends please? E.g. Dusunic beliefs of the mountain as home of anscestal spirits, and Chinese legends of a dragon at the peak guarding a pearl. Also, true stories of climbers getting lost, etc. Like one that made the newspapers a long time ago: a European girl who got separated from her tour -- there was a huge search-and-rescue -- found dead days (weeks?) later. Please contribute if you have enough knowledge of these. --Lionelster 04:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

- I climbed Kinabalu three weeks ago and heard the following tale about the name of the mountain; There used to live a powerful dragon up at the top of the hill and he had a massive treasure of jewelry. Many men tried to slay the beast and acquire the treasure but no-one succeeded until a chinese prince came and was victorious. The prince wed a local malay girl living in the outskirts of mountain. After some time of joyful family-life, the prince got a message from china that his father had died and he went on to journey there to claim the throne. He was of course supposed then come back to get his wife to china, but months passed without no note of return. The malay wife started climbing every day to the top of the mountain to see if his prince would be arriving by boat, but alas, he was not returning. One day she took her life in the top of the mountain and thus the mountain became called mount Kinabalu.

I also heard that some rock formations are thought to be tracks of the dragon, but I failed to see them.--jappjapp75 14:34, 10 December 2005

Ain't Mt Kinabalu 4104 m ??
According to the high school geography textbooks of the Ministry of Education of Malaysia, Mt Kinabalu is 4104 m. User:Randytsx

That figure is outdated. --Lionelster 03:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * My atlas had this mountain listed as 4101m rather than 4095m as in the article. It says here that the mountain is growing. Also alot of google hits for 4101 - -- Astrokey44 |talk 10:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

 * CIA world factbook has 4100 and Peakware has 4102 -- 24.86.195.69 07:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Man, the Malaysian ministry of education has been misleading generations of students.
"Gunung tertinggi di Asia Tenggara" ("highest mountain in South-East Asia")? My sweet ass it is.

Thank you, wikipedia, for finally pointing this out to me.

161.142.97.109 (talk) 02:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Is Puncak Jaya located in Southeast Asia or Oceania? At Puncak Jaya, the article claims that Puncak Jaya is the highest in Oceania. In Mount Kinabalu, it states that Kinabalu is the third highest behind Puncak Jaya. So, there seems to be a little confusion here. __earth 17:20, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * It would seem that there is a difference between the "political" boundaries and the "geographical" boundaries of southeast asia. Because Indonesia is part of ASEAN, the entire country is considered part of "Southeast Asia". This is flawed thinking though, because by that logic, all of Russia could be considered Europe. Geographically, the area known as Australiasia is considered the boundary and that region includes ALL of New Guinea. Of course, this is an issue that can always be argued either way, but in my opinion, considering this is a geographic claim; it should be backed up by geography, not politics. Perhaps we can describe it in such a way that it is not given a rank. How does this seem:

 * "It is the tallest mountain in Malaysia and on the island of Borneo, as well as one of the tallest in Southeast Asia, trailing Hkakabo Razi of Myanmar (Burma) and, depending on where the boundary of Southeast Asia is drawn, Puncak Jaya of New Guinea."--Daamsie 06:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Correction
The attached Palm tree IS NOT a palm tree, it is a fern. sltan

There are over 6000 plant species in California, so it is incorrect to say this region has more species than Europe and North American combined! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.134.245.53 (talk) 13:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

the highest peak in south east asia is Hkakabo Razi (5,881 m) in Mynmar... not Gunung Puncak.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.19.117.154 (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Replacing photo
Replacing Willsmith pitcher_plant with pitcher_plant_mt_kinabalu.jpg

Replacing Willsmith Mount_Kinabalu.jpg with MtKinabalu_view_from_kundasan.jpg sltan

Some Images
I uploaded these images,, and , (image references obvious by their filename) - which are high altitude photos of clouds from Mount Kinabalu, and I was wondering if it would be appropriate to insert them in either the Mount Kinabalu Article or the Cloud article, because I know both of them are already image saturated. The thing is that I'm not too sure of all the cloud formation classifications (although it fascinates me) to insert them in specific pages either. -- Natalinasmpf 23:51, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Porters
"Since there are no roads, the supplies for the Laban Rata hut are carried by porters, mostly old women, who bring up to 30 kilograms of supplies on their backs."

Is this some kind of joke? From my experience, all of the porters are at most middle-aged men. 202.179.105.18 03:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm removing it. Mgiganteus1 08:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Most Important
The mountain and its surroundings feature a huge variety of flora, and is one of the world’s most important[citation needed] biological sites.

The citation requested is later in the article where it explains about the biodiversity exceeding that of all Europe.202.82.171.186 04:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Born to be wild
I added this special and rare video feature:*Born To Be Wild: Mt. Kinabalu, 05/15/2008 --Florentino floro (talk) 08:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Highest in South East Asia?
(Transferred from my talk page)

Hi there. I understand that you remove the Mount Kinabalu ranking as to avoid edit war, but I propose to keep it there for clarification. I don't mind putting it as 6 / 7 position as long as it is being clarified to what reason and why. Mount Kinabalu has long been listed as highest in South East Asia in terms of geologist (which boundries is clearly define), however now there are some people advocating political boundries (also clearly define) and accusing those who listed Mount Kinabalu as highest in SEA as cheating. By puting both side / ranking this article hopefully clarified this issues to those who are looking for clear explanation. For those who persist, there is not really much anyone can do for them. Regards Yosri (talk) 10:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

This discussion belongs at Talk:Mount Kinabalu.

 * How are your "geologist" boundaries of South East Asia defined, and can you support them with a reference? Assuming that Myanmar (Burma) is included in SEA, then there are many more than 6 higher mountains and Kinabalu's position is impossibile to determine. Imo, to state that it is the highest in Malaysia and Borneo is enough. Viewfinder (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

 * "Myanmar is a forest-clad mountainous country. In the northern part of the Country there are three parallel chains of mountain ranges beginning at the eastern extremity of the Himalayas and running from north to south: these are the Rakhine Yoma, the Bago Yoma and the Shan Plateau." [Beautiful Myanmar]. The purpose to put the explanation there, is to clarified the different point of view. No one is born with knowledge, they must get it. You must take into account information for new comers to Internet world. Yosri (talk) 01:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that website would qualify as a Reliable source. In any case, as Viewfinder points out, there is no agreed definition of Southeast Asia, so we should not make conclusive statements on the matter. mgiganteus1 (talk) 01:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a bit lame excuse, however for valid reference look at Google books as follow:-
 * http://books.google.com.my/books?id=sg9XW7MmVoIC&pg=PA30&dq=Myanmar+mountain+range+himalaya Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh By Om Gupta]
 * World and Its Peoples By Marshall Cavendish Corporation
 * India By Sarina Singh, Joe Bindloss, Paul Clammer, Janine Eberle
 * Uneasy neighbors By Kanishkan Sathasivam
 * Wikisource 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Burma Yosri (talk) 10:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Better yet look at this book search http://books.google.com.my/books?q=Myanmar%20mountain%20range%20himalaya&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wp Yosri (talk) 10:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

You still have not defined the "geologist" borders of South East Asia, and in any case your POV on this matter clashes with the political view, which places Myanmar within South East Asia. Viewfinder (talk) 21:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

 * ??? My POV? Please refer to referance link. Hikakabo Razi is part of Himalayan range. So that depend on where you put Himalaya range? If you put it in SEA, (including Everest), then Everest is highest in SEA. However, if you geografically cut Himalayan range by political boundries, then we are talking political not geografical boundries already. Yosri (talk) 05:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

 * It's far easier to follow the UN convention and consider all parts of Burma as SEA. Geographical convention is problematic; while the exclusion of Irian Jaya can be done without controversy, exclusion of the Burmese cannot. In any case, user daamsie has offered a solution which I think will work. I believe his wordings were incorporated earlier but I can't see it now in the front page. Only a slight modification to his wordings is required. __earth (Talk) 09:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

 * There are many mountains in Burma that are considerably higher than Kinabalu, and anyway it would be best not to use the primarily political term "South East Asia". Please don't let's include a long POV discussion about the scope of Kinabalu's superlative status in its lead section. There is also the problem of West Papua. How you define a mountain? Imo West Papua is not Asian but there are differences of opinion among authorities about this. Viewfinder (talk) 07:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

 * The UN convention is taking the current political boundries (this change with time). In this case, you cannot seperate Indonesia from SEA. I don't have problem putting it (political boundries) in, but I advocate incorporating geografical boundries (as per provided referance) as to educate readesr on differences point of view. By the way, Himalayan mountain ranges are formed by plate tetonic movement, the same one that formed all mountain in Burma, unless new theory on how mountain formed (exclude volcano) appeared. Fish of the same kettle.Yosri (talk) 09:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

 * The article Southeast Asia states unambiguously that the whole of Burma is in Southeast Asia. If you disagree, challenge that article, then if you are successful, we can reopen the debate here. Viewfinder (talk) 08:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Like I said earlier, that is political boundaries. Do you have problem understanding English? I'm just stating, geographically, Himalayan mountain ranges is not in SEA, and have provided proof to that effect. Yosri (talk) 05:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Quite amusing... Geographically speaking, the Himalayan mountain ranges form the border between the Eurasian and Indian plates, and Burma/Myanmar is clearly on the Eurasian plate. From political and cultural standpoints, Burma is an integral part of mainland Southeast Asia. I guess one can say this is the highest peak in maritime Southeast Asia, if that someone's hellbent on making this the highest peak somewhere. Pettiness amazes me. (Btw, I'd recommend not questioning someone's English language skills just because you don't agree with that person. People who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.) Hybernator (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Southeast Asia is clear: Burma/Myanmar is included. Please take your case there, preferably transcribing a passage from one of your above sources which proves your point. Then, if you win, come back here. Viewfinder (talk) 09:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh
It has been discovered that this book: Contains significant amounts of material plagiarized from Wikipedia articles. (Some other books from the same publisher also have this problem). There is no practical way of determining which material came from Wikipedia, and which came from other sources. Further, widespread plagiarism is an indication of poor scholarship. For those reasons, and according to Wikipedia policy, WP:CIRCULAR, it should not be used as a source. For more background, see WP:RSN, or the archive after it goes there.  Will Beback   talk    23:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Gupta, Om. Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Gyan Publishing House, 2006. ISBN 8182053897, 9788182053892.

Sigh, on the question of the nudist hikers.
This article devotes an inordinate amount of space to the issue of some hikers who conducted themselves poorly in the lead-up to the recent earthquake. Now, did this small group of Western tourists mishandle the situation? Absolutely. Did this cause the earthquake? No, no it didn't. Nor is it (the tourist incident) likely to be all that important in the broader history of the mountain. Now, my first inclination would be to go through the article's discussion of the nudist incident-- which is written in garbled English-- and clean it up, but I'm inclined to think that a lot of it just doesn't belong in the article. Now, I want to assume good faith, but its presence here gives the impression that someone has an axe to grind against these tourists, rather than wanting to improve the encyclopedia. As I'm reluctant to go in and start excising large swathes of content (especially sourced content), I would like to solicit the opinions of other editors on the subject. Tigercompanion25 (talk) 17:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * To put it more concisely, the section on the earthquake is focused almost exclusively on the hikers and says almost nothing about the actual earthquake, which is alleged to have actually changed the appearance of the mountain. Tigercompanion25 (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

 * The authorities have it backwards. Small earth quakes are how the mountian avoids large earth quakes.
 * The hikers pleased the deitiy so well that a small harmless quake was granted.
 * The mountian was appeased and the islanders now have more time before the next devistating quake.

 * The mountian also appears to enshrine the face of the first naked neanderthal man who saw it.

 * Tim Sheridan

72.94.239.243 (talk) 19:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Photo: Summit of Mt.Kinabalu
This is the South Summit, not the Summit Luma73 (talk) 19:48, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the peak is called South Peak. Luma73 (talk) 09:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Highest Mountain in the Malay Archipelago
The article claims the following: ...and is the highest mountain in the Malay Archipelago... But the Malay Archipelago includes New Guinea which has the following mountains that are taller than Mount Kinabalu (4,095m): Is there some geological reason behind this claim that Mount Kinabalu is the highest mountain in the Malay Archipelago? --Pavithran (talk) 15:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Puncak Jaya (4,884m)
 * Sumantri (4,870m)
 * Ngga Pulu (4,862m)
 * Puncak Mandala (4,760m)
 * Puncak Trikora (4,750m)
 * Ngga Pilimsit (4,717m)

Climbing routes
"John Griffiths was the first and only one in his family group to get to the summit and see the sunrise, in 1978." - what is this about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.192.144 (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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FRANKENSTEIN AS MORE THAN A HORROR STORY; OR, THE MONTY IN US ALL

Modern society views “horror” stories as involving ghosts, monsters, or horrific deaths. Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein, on the other hand, is a horror story that explores the dangers and fragility of the human psyche; it is “intellectual fiction” – that is, the work isn’t written simply for the storyline, but for the intellectual exploration of humanity and man’s surroundings. A contemporary work of intellectual fiction in the genre of Frankenstein is M. Night Shyamalan’s Signs, which tells of an alien invasion of Earth. Just as Shelley uses the ubiquitous monster story to examine man and nature, Shyamalan uses the common alien invasion pretext to explore the faith of man. If Shyamalan wrote a book instead of a screenplay, and Karloffian movie was made from the book, the movie would focus on the horror of the alien invasion more than Shyamalan’s intended themes of the mutability of human faith and emotions. This superficial “interpretation” of Shyamalan’s work would be a parallel of how Karloff’s film focused on the monster, and threw Shelley’s themes out of the window. Miller is correct in suggesting that the horror films adapted from Shelley’s work do not resemble the novel Frankenstein, and that such debasing interpretations of the story have lead to cultural misconception about Shelley’s true horror.

Shelley wrote Frankenstein as a horror story derived from her own nightmares, but her version of horror deviates from perceptions of popular culture. The true horrors are that of Victor and man himself rather than the horrible monster. Victor’s unruly knowledge lead him to lose perception of his own limitations, as the ambition of “[his] sole purpose of infusing life into an inanimate body” (Shelley, 43) lead to “the beauty of [his] dream [vanishing], and breathless horror and disgust [filling his] heart” (43). The inhumanity of man also comes into play, as the reader sees the cruelty of the people the creature faces, making him think he is “a blot upon the earth, from which all men fled, and whom all men disowned” (103). These thematic elements are not even cursorily discussed in many of the film adaptations because that is not what the films are intended to do. Shelley wrote a horror novel which she intended to scare people by showing them their own flaws and imperfections. The films, on the other hand, are supposed to draw large crowds of people to the theaters mainly in the interests of profit. In order to attract the most people, the producers of these films tend to condense Frankenstein’s storyline into its simplest form – man makes monster, monster becomes violent and kills many men.

Another main theme is handled very differently by the films: the condensation of this storyline shifts all the blame to the creature’s actions, and somewhat to “Henry,” “Victor,” or whatever its creator is named. Shelley’s novel, however, avails the possibility of humanity sharing the blame for the creation and its actions. This treatment of a creature who was harmless at the time may have incited an otherwise benign creature. The villagers made the creature feel “[his] heart sank within [him] as with bitter sickness” (117), and the man who shot the creature after he saved the girl’s life caused “the feelings of kindness and gentleness which [the creature] had entertained” (123) to be replaced by “hellish rage and gnashing of teeth” (123). These actions show that the creature wasn’t born as a killer, but was rather made that way – the creature is still very impressionable due to his age and lack of normal human contact.

One of Miller’s most important points is that Frankenstein is not a typical horror novel, it explores complex issues about the nature of man. Due to film adaptations of Shelley’s work that are intended to be more sensational that intellectual, popular culture has lost the true issues raised by Frankenstein, and instead identify it as a story of a mad scientist and his rampant, homicidal monster. In horror, many people tend to take the easy way out – they would rather be frightened by monsters than by themselves. Because of this, many times works such as Frankenstein are not construed as they should be. If people choose to forget the films and read Shelley’s work for what it is, they will realize Shelley’s true horror: they can be as monstrous as Victor’s creation. WORKS CITED

"Frankenstein" Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Library. 21 Jan. 2005. University of Virginia.

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For an FA...
In order to move up to FA status, this article needs some touching up.

First, References! It surprised me that this article was a GA w/ only one reference! I mean come on.

Next, expansion. This article needs some facts.

Finally, Images. It would be nice to have some more images around.

 Meldshal42 Hit me What I've Done 19:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Accurate Death Tolls From Eruptions
Should be included, as well as damages from qualified sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.170.5 (talk) 03:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ambiguos article
There are 2 mountains 4 kilometers apart: 1) Nevado de Colima 2) Volcan de fuego

The article focus on Volcan de Fuego which is 3,820 mts, but the higher one is Nevado de Colima wich heights at 4,260 mts. Position is for Volcan de Fuego, and very comic the first ascent of 1995 since it has been climbed for a hunderd years by now. My proposal is the article should be rewrite in order to separete both mountains, since the smaller Volcan de Fuego, has a promminence of 600 meters. Here are the INEGI numbers (Mexico's official geographic institute) Anyone has ideas? Pepeleyva (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

 * It's been on my todo list. In this particular case it may be best to have two seperate articles. Volcan de Fuego is probably the overall more notable because of its active volcanism; but topographically, Nevado de Colima is more notable. So we would have two articles named Volcan de Fuego and Nevado de Colima. I am not 100% sure if this is the best idea though. There are redirects to deal with and we would have to move this page. I guess the obstacles would be what one typically deals with in a split, which I have never done. I figured I would post here before doing anything and try get some others' opinions/help. -- Racer X11 Talk to me Stalk me  04:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Forgot to mention another idea for an interim solution would be to leave just this single article, and add to it a second infobox for Nevado de Colima. Then we would at least have the basic data for both peaks properly diplayed. -- Racer X11 Talk to me Stalk me  04:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Correction is required
To include the 2013 eruptions. This series of eruptions started in 2013, not 2014. Please excuse me for not volonteering for the job, little may it be. LouisBB (talk) 10:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

ongoing eruption
still seems to be ash advisories all the way through 2016 but last mention in this article is 2015 - is it all the same ongoing eruption ? EdwardLane (talk) 14:13, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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Only another 430 to allocate. Anyone who wants to join in, please go ahead. Wincoote 07:21, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How is John Keats not even in the list?
Hello, Is it for some reason I wouldn't know? Kingdom of Great Britain exists since 1707: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:British_poets John Keats was born in 1795. Also, John Keats was a poet. 2A01:CB04:BC:3200:4977:38D9:A2A2:A9FC (talk) 10:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I've added him within the list.
 * If I did so mistakenly, feel free to undo. 2A01:CB04:BC:3200:4977:38D9:A2A2:A9FC (talk) 10:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Parícutin

Monogenetic?
The article contains a definition for MONOGENETIC which is at odds with the definition on the linked article for monogenetic volcano and also at odds with the description with the definition at paricutin.com Enhandle (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)enhandle

 * The wording was certainly imprecise; I've tried to improve it. But are you sure the articles are inconsistent? I don't see it. Perhaps you might be getting confused between the definitions given for monogenetic volcano and for monogenetic volcanic field. --Avenue (talk) 09:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Other Regional Volcanoes
I found a particular sentence in the article confusing, specifically: "Parícutin is merely the youngest of more than 1,400 volcanic vents that exist in the Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt and North America". I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the information presented in a manner that "gels" conceptually, so that I can feel as though I've understood the point being made. I guess I'm having trouble following how I should take one very specific point of detail (the Belt), and then "and" it together with a broad, general grouping such as "North America".

For starters, isn't the Belt part of North America? Doesn't that make it a redundancy, having mention of both? Beyond that, with only the one numerical figure provided, the uncertainty as to relative "weight" becomes apparent. I don't know how "big" the Trans-Mexican Belt is in terms of volcano count, vs. how many are found in other locations on the continent. But reading the sentence has left me a tiny bit frustrated, wondering. Is there any way that part of the article can make its point more clearly? FeRD_NYC (talk) 07:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That sentence could use some rewording too. It would probably be better if it were wriiten like this: "Parícutin is the youngest of more than 1,400 volcanic vents in the Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt of Mexico".  Volcano guy  17:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Level
I find this sentence a little difficult: " In 1952 the eruption ended and Parícutin went quiet, attaining a final height of 424 meters (1,390 ft) above the cornfield from which it was born." My problem - and I hope it isn't just nitpicking - is that although I can see what it means, it's a bit of an odd way of putting it because the cornfield was no longer there. If it said it rose to a final height above some bigger feature, such as a plateau or floodplain, that was still there then I can see how it would work but here we are referring to a reference height - which is fair enough - of something which no longer exists. I'm wondering about trying changing it to something - if I can find it - which (I hope) doesn't lose the sense but is more factual and doesn't use the rather journalese shorthand of referring to the field as if it is still there, and perhaps growing corn (goak here), in the comparison. What do you think? Best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I find it is a bit odd too. However, I do not know how to reword it since I do not know too much about Parícutin.  Volcano guy  18:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've attempted a reword, see what you think. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistent Facts
"Only two people were killed by pyroclastic lightning..." "...three people died after being struck by lightning generation by pyroclastic eruptions." This is one of my biggest pet peeves about Wikipedia—writers who state something in one paragraph that conflicts with a statement in a later paragraph. It happens all the time. Has no one else read the article and noticed this error? 73.173.114.38 (talk) 07:41, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Dubious -- Youngest Volcano
I don't like to remove cited material, but I think on this occasion, this is demonstrably wrong, because Eldfell is younger, forming in 1973. Op47 (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no such hesitations. Cited or not, it is demonstrably wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.106.237 (talk) 09:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

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The reference at the end is: Thomas P. Lewis, Hill of Fire (pictures by Joan Sandin). Harper Collins 1971. ISBN 0-06-444040-0. A.Kracher (talk) 03:04, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Height
In the Info box, it reports a prominence 208m, but in the text is say 465m. This should be resolved. Mukogodo (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 29 November 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is no clear consensus for the move, as there are strong arguments and sources on both sides, and the number of users supporting and opposing the move is roughly balanced. Therefore, I would suggest that the article title should remain "Mount Aspiring / Tititea" until a more convincing case for the move can be made, or a better compromise can be reached. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Mount Aspiring / Tititea → Mount Aspiring – Per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, and MOS:SLASH. Mount Aspiring is clearly the common name for this location; in the past year alone there have been around 40 news articles using Mount Aspiring, compared to just 5 for any form of the dual name. Google Scholar shows a similar result, with 25 results for Mount Aspiring from the past year, compared to one for any form of the dual name. Note that the third option, Tititea, receives no use on either Google News or Google Scholar. BilledMammal (talk) 05:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE  17:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Oppose Did you even look at the results? Not one of the first page in your hundreds of news articles is actually referring to the mountain. They all refer to either Mount Aspiring College or Mount Aspiring National Park. The name of the mountian is Mount Aspiring / Tititea. It is what is has been called for the last 25 years and is named as such on all modern maps. 06:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC) ShakyIsles (talk) 06:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The mountain is located in the national park, which is referred to both as "Mount Aspiring National Park" and "Tititea / Mount Aspiring National Park" - I felt references to it were indicative of what the common name of the mountain it was named after is. I overlooked the school, but I note that it is also named after the mountain and known in full as "Te Kura o Tititea Mount Aspiring College".
 * To satisfy your concerns, I've updated the move request to exclude those results; it reduces us from hundreds to around 40 for the proposed title, and from 22 to 5 for the current title; even with this cleaner query, the common name remains very clear. BilledMammal (talk) 08:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per ShakyIsles, the results are almost entirely irrelevant. I've been going through dozens of the pages of your results that you've cited and have found almost no relevant results. I even tried filtering out results for the national park, college, and road, by which point I was finally getting a few relevant results, but a greater number of results for the Dulux paint colour. To be fair, the same also applied to the dual name results due to the Māori name of Mount Aspiring College being Te Kura o Tititea, but even accounting for that the proportion of relevant results in the dual name search seemed a lot higher.
 * This is also true for the google scholar results. Looking at the results you flagged for the single name, there are:
 * Mount Aspiring National Park: 15
 * Mount Aspiring Hut: 1
 * Mount Aspiring College: 1
 * Aspiring terrain rocks: 1
 * Name of a species of fungi: 1
 * Irrelevant poetry ("At that one mount, aspiring o'er its fellows"): 1
 * Relevant, but actually from 1874: 1
 * Other false results: 1
 * Unable to access: 2
 * Frankly I'm amazed, I was honestly expecting at least some relevant results. I also note that in the process of me writing this comment you've updated your search queries, but the results are still not painting the picture you think they are as they due to a large number of false results. For example, this is referring to a pass in the National Park, roughly 40km away from Mount Aspiring / Tititea, this is referring to a nearby locality called Mount Aspiring, this is referring to Mt Aspiring Kapa Haka, this is flagging an unreliable user comment, this is still the school and this is one of several still flagging the paint colour. The dual name is far clearer and returning many more relevant results as a proportion, even before you filtered them down. Add to that the dual name's usage in a range of maps, databases, atlases and other sources which use the dual name, and there's no good justification for using the old name. Turnagra (talk) 08:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Mount Aspiring National Park As I said to ShakyIsles, I consider the decision reliable sources make to use either the dual name or the single name for the national park named after and encompassing the mountain to be indicative of the common name for the mountain. However, even if you exclude those, and assume that your numbers are correct, we are left with no google scholar results for either (the single dual name one is a PhD thesis, not a reliable source) and so need to rely on the news results.
 * There, even accounting for the remaining irrelevant results (note the fuzziness of the "around 40" due to their presence) I'm sure you'll agree we still have far more results than the five we have for the dual name. BilledMammal (talk) 08:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * They're fundamentally different things - the name Westland Tai Poutini National Park doesn't mean that the name of the district is Westland Tai Poutini. It's true that the park was named after the mountain, when it was established in 1964. But times change, and usage now indicates that the clearest name for the mountain is the current dual one. Honestly, I think it's clear here that you were in such a rush to move away from the dual name that you didn't properly do your due diligence on this one, and it's showing. Turnagra (talk) 08:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I still feel the national park is indicative, given how some sources choose to use the mountains dual name for it and others don't, but we won't agree on this so not much point discussing further.
 * and usage now indicates that the clearest name for the mountain is the current dual one How? Even your review shows dozens of results using the single name for this mountain, compared to just five using the dual name. I did make some mistakes with the query as I only checked a random sampling of results and not all of them, but that shouldn't change the fact that once the query is cleaned up the common name is still Mount Aspiring. BilledMammal (talk) 08:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a crazy argument. Its is like saying references to Bombay Gin support the name Bombay over Mumbai. The national park and the mountain are different things. The National Park was established in 1964 and named after the mountain (as it was cnamed in 1964). The mountain had a name change in 1998 and is now commonly refered to as Mount Aspiring / Tititea. ShakyIsles (talk) 20:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If Bombay Gin is a geographic region named after and encompassing Mumbai, that people sometimes call Mumbai Gin, then yes - it’s like saying that.
 * now commonly refered to as Mount Aspiring / Tititea Do you have evidence for this? At the moment all the evidence suggests the opposite is true, even after cleaning up and manually reviewing the queries. BilledMammal (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per NZGB and increasing convention. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This reads as an appeal to authority. We generally avoid INS any preference for names on the basis that they are official (WP:OFFICIALNAMES). — HTGS (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC) edited 04:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you've misunderstood that essay. Our guidelines don't tell us to avoid the official name, rather that we don't explicitly use a name just because it's the official name (except in some circumstances, such as the WP:NZNC macron policy). Given the amount of research which the NZGB put into their naming and justifications for names, citing them is perfectly valid here. Turnagra (talk) 20:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You’re right, and that is what I meant. I was either speaking shorthand, or misspoke; I don’t remember which. Corrected now — HTGS (talk) 04:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries, appreciate the clarification - I've definitely got into more than a few pickles by missing words as a result of thinking faster than I type! Turnagra (talk) 04:31, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Support. Recent reliable sources show no indication that English language has trended towards the dual name. Worth noting that the dual name gives a Māori language name and an English name, so it’s easy to see why there is a preference for including both in official documents, while use in English has kept a preference for the English name. See sources, none of which make mention of the Māori name: Herald Nov 2023, RNZ Nov 2023, Stuff Feb 2023, Stuff Feb 2023 (different story), Stuff 2018, The Press 2018 with in depth coverage of the peak itself.
 * The list goes on and on, and there is clearly no expectation that the public needs Tititea to understand which peak is being referred to. This is a classic United Kingdom vs United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland case, per WP:CRITERIA. — HTGS (talk) 21:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't arbitrarily shorten names just because we don't like the full name - Bosnia and Herzegovina is not at "Bosnia", and the United Nations is not at "The UN", even though both names would still be easily recognisable to people still. As for your sources, I'm also more than capable of doing the same cherry picking of sources as you've done, but that tells us little about the actual usage. Looking at every scholarly article to mention the mountain since 2019 (and manually filtering out irrelevant results such as the national park, to prevent sources which mention both the park and the mountain being excluded), I've found:
 * Mount Aspiring / Tititea region: 3
 * Mount Aspiring region: 3
 * Tititea Mount Aspiring: 4
 * Mount Aspiring Tititea: 1
 * Mount Aspiring: 4
 * Tititea: 1
 * One source also uses the dual name, Tititea, and Mount Aspiring interchangeably an equal number of times each.
 * Note that for the region ones I applied discretion based on the context and the location being described. If it was in the immediate vicinity of the mountain I included it, but if it was describing somewhere further afield (eg. the Dart Glacier or Haast Pass / Tioripatea) I ruled it as talking about the park. But regardless, this shows roughly equivalent levels of usage between the dual name and the older European name in recent coverage. Add to that the wide range of reliable, independent sources which do use the dual name, such as maps, gazetteers, park guides and so on, and I'm not seeing any justification to move away from the dual name. Turnagra (talk) 20:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify how you decided to exclude results? I'm looking through scholarly results since 2019, and I'm seeing more than four results using "Mount Aspiring". BilledMammal (talk) 03:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I excluded results where it was described as the "Mt Aspiring area" but which were talking about something that is within the park but quite a distance from the mountain, such as the Routeburn Track or the Makarora River, as it would be a stretch to call those within the vicinity of the mountain and so the reference is more likely to be in relation to the national park. I also excluded references to "Mt Aspiring" when it was in the context of a list of national parks, as again the context makes it clear that the reference is to the national park, not the mountain. Turnagra (talk) 03:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Support per HTGS. — Amakuru (talk) 21:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per HTGS. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 10:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per HTGS.  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 13:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject New Zealand has been notified of this discussion. Bensci54 (talk) 17:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: Relisted to give time for further discussion, as requested ASUKITE  17:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. "Mount Aspiring" is overwhelmingly the most common name for this mountain in English sources.  (An Internet search for "Mount Aspiring", subtracting out the counts for "Mount Aspiring National Park", "Mount Aspiring College", and "Mount Aspiring / Tititea" (or "Tititea / Mount Aspiring") itself - shows that it is at least 10x as popular as "Mount Aspiring / Tititea" (or "Tititea / Mount Aspiring").PatricKiwi (talk) 23:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Google result counts are notoriously unreliable, and as I've proven above already, analysis of those results show that those figures demonstrably aren't true. Turnagra (talk) 18:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:10, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support: Per Amakuru. --Spekkios (talk) 01:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose move per WP:RS. The most reliable source (NZGB gazetteer via Toitū te Whenua/LINZ) gives the name as Mount Aspiring/Tititea per https://gazetteer.linz.govt.nz/place/7301. Daveosaurus (talk) 05:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose :Old arguments and edit wars, rehashed to no useful effect Somej (talk) 08:58, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose : As per WP:NCNZ the naming convention for places in New Zealand can include dual place names and include a slash. Dual names are becoming more common in NZ List of dual place names in New Zealand.  Dr vulpes  (Talk) 05:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment It probably isn’t necessary to say, but just in case I will point out that the last three !votes have no basis in policy. BilledMammal (talk) 05:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * We clearly have different interpretations of the policies - just because someone doesn't explicitly reference a policy doesn't mean it lacks a basis in said policies. Turnagra (talk) 08:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Then please, specify the policies. BilledMammal (talk) 08:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per arguments from Turnagra and ShakyIsles arguments seem to counter arguments about number of sources and about superceding use of NZ English dual name. The national park is a separate article/subject than this, and isn't relevant. HTGS' argument additionally hinges on NZ English treating dual names as two names and not a convention of combining two names into one. If anything dual names can be more WP:NPOV especially with the lack of consensus on long-standing edit wars on these names. No point moving if it will be moved back in 2 years.  EmeraldRange  (talk/contribs) 21:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Slungshot

A slungshot is a maritime tool consisting of a weight, or "shot", affixed to the end of a long cord often by being wound into the center of a knot called a "monkey's fist". It is used to cast line from one location to another, often mooring line. The cord end is tied to the heavier line and the weighted end of the slungshot is thrown across the intervening space where a person picks it up and pulls the line across.

As a weapon
The slungshot was often used as a civilian or improvised weapon; however, the rope was much shorter for use as a weapon. The cord is tied around the wrist, and the weight is carried in the hand or the pocket of the user. A slungshot may be swung in a manner similar to that of a flail or a blackjack.

In China and Japan
Slungshots were also used in China and Japan, under other names and were sometimes weighted on both ends, such as with Kusari-fundo, manrikigusari, and other variants. A variant called "loaded sleeves," consisted of weights concealed in long, flowing sleeves.

Robert van Gulik stated in the postscript of his book The Willow Pattern A Judge Dee Mystery, that in 1935 when he was in Peking, he was told how "loaded sleeves" facilitated an unexpected escape for a group of foreign nuns threatened by a mob during an anti-Western uprising in China. The cornered nuns, believing they were going to be killed, reportedly raised their hands to pray. The people standing nearest incorrectly identified the bulky objects in the upraised folds of cloth, interpreting them to be dangerous "loaded sleeves". They backed away, opening a path through the crowd, and the nuns escaped. The bulky objects were their breviaries, which the nuns habitually carried in the sleeves of their robes.

United States
Abraham Lincoln's most notable criminal trial occurred in 1858 when he successfully defended "Duff" Armstrong on a charge of killing another with a slung shot. They were widely used by criminals and street gang members in the 19th century as they had the advantage of being easy to make, silent, and very effective, particularly against an unsuspecting opponent. This gave them a dubious reputation, similar to that of switchblade knives in the 1950s, and they were outlawed in many jurisdictions. The use as a criminal weapon continued at least up until the early 1920s.

Carrying a slungshot or having one on one's person is a crime in the states of California, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, Washington, Minnesota, New Hampshire., and Vermont (when intending to use as a weapon). In March 2016, Florida repealed its longstanding first-degree misdemeanor law forbidding the carrying of a concealed slungshot.

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Meighen Island

Meighen Island is an uninhabited member of the Queen Elizabeth Islands, part of the Arctic Archipelago, in the Qikiqtaaluk Region of Nunavut, Canada.

Features and history
Located at 79.98333°N, -99.5°W, it measures 955 km2 in size and is topped with an ice cap. The island is permanently icebound, and its northwestern coast faces onto the open Arctic Ocean.

Unlike many Canadian Arctic islands, no traces of Inuit or Thule camps have been found, suggesting the island has never been inhabited, likely due to its extreme northern latitude.

In 1909, two Inuit who had participated in Frederick Cook's polar expedition provided a map to Robert Peary that showed they had travelled and spent a night on a then unknown island with the position of Meighen Island. The map and testimony of the Inuit in question were published in an article by Peary in the Chicago Daily Tribune. In 1916, Vilhjalmur Stefansson's Canadian Arctic Expedition sighted and landed on Meighen Island. Stefansson at first believed that he had been the first European to discover Meighen Island, but later read Peary's article on the Cook expedition and surmised that Cook had in fact discovered Meighen Island prior to himself.

Naming
The island was later named after Arthur Meighen, Canadian prime minister 1920-21 and 1926.

Neighbouring islands
Meighen Island has few neighbours. It is about 40 km west of the next nearest major island, Axel Heiberg Island. About 4 km to Meighen's north, across the Hose Strait, lies small crescent-shaped Perley Island. The Fay Islands lie between Meighen Island and Axel Heiberg Island within the Sverdrup Channel.

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If all content on Wikipedia must be verifiable, how are photos and images, added to to articles, to be verified? The photo attached to this article is not of the mountain Tapuae-o-Uenuku, consequently the caption is incorrect and its inclusion may be questioned. Any person comparing the image with a topographical contour map of the mountain can confirm this.

The mountain in the attached image is Manakau, in the Seaward kaikoura Range, which is across the large and deep valley of the Clarence River from Tapuae-o-Uenuku. (See - http://www.topomap.co.nz/NZTopoMap?v=2&ll=-42.227977,173.61866&z=14 )

The error can be explained - the mountain is regularly pointed out by pilots on passing domestic flights and hence attempts to photograph the peak are common. However it is not obvious to a viewer unfamiliar with the area to clearly identify which of many surrounding peaks is being referred to. Hughvannoorden (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 * I note that there is a good photo of Tapuae-o-Uenuku on the webite: that is attributed to Hugh van Noorden.  It would be great if the owner of this image could upload it into Wikimedia Commons, so it could then be used in this article.  The Infobox in this article needs a photo of the peak.  The photo of an adjacent peak is less than ideal.  The same photo is currently used (incorrectly it seems) in Wikimedia Commons here C:Category:Mount Tapuaenuku. There is room for improvement of the Wikipedia article content, but getting the right photo would be a good start. --Marshelec (talk) 01:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Photo added to commons and inserted into the page. Now - how to add the photo to the infobox? and not the body of the article? Hughvannoorden (talk) 05:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the new photo - that's great. I have already restored the Infobox. The contents of the Infobox in the Wikimedia Copmmons Category are auto-generated ussing information from Wikidata.  I have updated the details in Wikidata, so the auto-generated Infobox in Commons is also now showing the correct image.  A final step is to seek the renaming of the photo in Commons that is incorrectly identified.  I will look up the process for requesting this.  I have done something similar previously but need to go back and find out how.--Marshelec (talk) 05:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * thankyou for the help. I appreciate your patience with a newbie. :-) Hughvannoorden (talk) 06:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are uploading images into Wikimeida Commons again, it is worth having a look at the available categories in advance. This makes it much easier to assign more specific categories that put the image where others will find it.  In this case there were two detailed categories that were more appropriate than New Zealand and Mountain, and I selected these instead.  See the assigned categories at the very bottom of the screen here: File:Tapuae o Uenuku.jpg
 * For some reason, the auto-generated Infobox in the Commons Category is not updating with the new image from Wikidata. Rather frustrating.  I will check on this later.--Marshelec (talk) 06:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The correct image is now showing in the Wikimedia category infobox here: Category:Mount Tapuaenuku--Marshelec (talk) 07:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The image that you had pointed out as incorrectly identified has now been renamed and recategorised. See: File:Mount Manakau – from the air.jpg. Thanks for initiating this helpful improvement to this article and the photo collection.--Marshelec (talk) 07:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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title: Talk:Mount Tarawera


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Talk:Mount Tasman

Information to get us started
- http://www.alpineguides.co.nz/programs/tasman.htm - http://climbnz.org.nz/nz/si/main-divide-of-the-southern-alps/mt-tasman - http://www.alpinerecreation.com/mttasman.html - http://www.summitpost.org/mount-tasman/150454 - http://www.roughguides.com/destinations/australasia/new-zealand/central-south-island/mackenzie-country/aorakimount-cook/ Roue2 (talk) 09:56, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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What was wrong with the category edit that you reverted?  Schwede 66  14:14, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Mount Tasman