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Hi, does anybody know a full photographic documentation of Hoffman's 104 Hall of Man sculptures ? I'm very much interested in this topic. Unfortunately, Henry Field's account in the Anthropological Leaflet is incomplete. Thank you in advance.

 * I have been looking for such a list or publication for a long time and am pretty sure one does not exist. I even went to the Museum and they don't seem to know [or are not sharing] what they have.  At any given time most of their pieces are in storage since the collection was broken up during the 1960s after being deemed racist - or some such thing.  IS the booklet that you refer to the one from 1936 or so?  From when it first opened?  Additional details can be gleaned from "Heads and Tails" - Hoffamn's account of creating the works.  What info do you have about this collection?  I recently discovered a bust of a male Sioux in the Phoenix AZ Art Musuen that was probably part of the original collection, though it could also have been a second casting {assuming that the Field Museum got #1]  Let's talk.  Carptrash 02:42, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Images
Alright, I know this is an article on an artist and they tend to have quite a few pictures. However, at the moment, the article looks cluttered to me. I would to remove at least one of the pictures from this article, or increase the ammount of text. Any ideas? Kel-nage 13:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. I suggest that you add more text. Carptrash 20:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Miscellaneous
Significant to add details of her life in NYC between times she lived in Paris? In 1914 she first set up studio at the back of the curious Sniffen Court which extends south off of E 36th street between 3rd Ave and Lex. (Sniffen Court used as location for the cover shot of The Doors "Strange Days"). She sculpted the horseman reliefs at the back. Front entrance to her studio at 157(?) 35th street where there's a small historical plaque. Returned to Paris 1926(?) where she lived with violinist husband Samuel Grimson until divorce in 1936, then returned to Sniffen Court. Assume this is the studio she allegedly died in, but don't know for sure. Cappycollins 21:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

 * There should be clearer and more comprehensive coverage of her time(s) spent in Paris, where she apparently had another studio for some period(s). There was no mention of her presence in Paris during the 1930s, until I added a passing mention to the article. Reify-tech (talk) 16:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

It's not quite clear to me
what this sentences (clause?) means.
 * "Portrait busts of historical figures of the day."

Any ideas? Carptrash (talk) 02:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I placed that phrase in Portrait busts of historical figures of the day and depictions of people in their everyday lives were frequent works executed by Hoffman. and by it, intended to describe a separate category of work from depiction of people who would not be seen as important historical figures. Malvina sculpted many individuals in portrait busts who were not among the series commissioned by Field, many were very well known, others not.

I have seen some of her sculptures, later described only as part of the anthropological project by group identity, but know personal names of the subjects, some of whom were important in the current affairs of the day. Today, they may not be well known. Others have remained noteworthy. Sometimes she sculpted people who would not be identified as "historical figures of the day" -- although I would refrain from calling them "ordinary" so I chose to contrast the "historical" with "people in their everyday lives".

If that remains unclear to you, please let me know and I will rephrase it -- if you misunderstand it, so might many others and I will change my entry. Sorry, I do not read talk page entries unless an edit summary gives me a clue to look... so I did not see your comment earlier. I came to the talk page looking for something on a different topic.

Regarding a catalogue of the Mankind project, there is a huge collection of the negatives of the original photographic negatives at the museum, however, it may not be available to the public. The booklet I refer to in the article was in a collection held by someone in my family. I would consider that publication what you are seeking, wish I could provide an accurate identification. It was on the project alone, no other sculptures were discussed. A large map accompanied the book. The map featured some of the sculptures and identified the geographical locations of the cultures. Although I saw it often and studied it quite thoroughly, I no longer have access to it, so I cannot provide publication details. I recall that it was complete, as I have never seen a sculpture from the collection that I had not seen in that publication. A family friend and neighbor had many of the small series in a personal art collection and I had seen each of them in that publication as well. 83d40m (talk) 08:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Okay, I tkink I understand. I made an edit myself regarding the "historical" people part. check it out and see what you think.   All the sources, I think, in the sources section were added by me and I have them all in my sculpture library..  The book that you are referring to with the map is "Heads and Tails" which probably should have it's own article.  Unless it already does?  Carptrash (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I think "Heads and Tales" was an autobiographical book about the entire project -- including all of the personal aspects, but the book I meant was only about the exhibition and full details about the sculptures and subjects -- I do not recall many personal accounts. It was a large format and I associate a deep, burnt-orange as the background color of the publication and map. The title of the exhibition was the title of the publication as I recall. 83d40m (talk) 23:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a different book to me too. The race is on. Carptrash (talk) 23:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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Poster photo
Could this be of any help? PajaBG (talk) 22:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Those appear to be the posters mentioned in the article. Could they be moved from the language Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons? The rules and procedure are explained in WP:COMMONS. There may be restrictions on the use of the image posted, but I can't read Cyrillic fluently, and can't determine if the move is permitted. Reify-tech (talk) 15:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the posters can also be seen in references 22 and 23 . I imported it, I think. It is here  PajaBG (talk) 14:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, PajaBG. I added it to the article. Reify-tech (talk) 16:47, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Die Chinesische Mauer

Die Chinesische Mauer is Michael Cretu's third solo album, released in 1985. The literal English translation of the title is "The Chinese Wall", or as it is better known, "The Great Wall of China". Like his previous album Legionäre, this had German lyrics, was sung by Michael and was co-produced by Armand Volker. The album was also released separately with English lyrics and a different track listing under the name "The Invisible Man". Several of the tracks on "The Invisible Man" were edited slightly and therefore last for a different length than the German versions on Die Chinesische Mauer and sides 1 and 2 were swapped for a more commercial running order. The song Samurai was released as a single and became a hit in Europe (#1 Greece, #2 Switzerland, #4 Italy, #4 Sweden, #12 Germany), but its success was mostly with the English version. In 1986, after the success of the single "Gambit", the English version of the album was re-released on LP in Europe to feature this new song, but with the track "Carte Blanche" removed due to groove space. This edition featured a whole new cover and package design by Mike Schmidt at Ink Studios, whom at this point had designed nearly all of the artwork and design for Cretu and related productions. The album was recorded entirely at Cretu's then-studio "Data Alpha Studio" alongside recording The Long Play by Sandra. The studio resided in the basement of Sandra and Cretu's home.

Die Chinesische Mauer (German Edition)

 * 1) "Intro" - 2:28
 * 2) "Mikado" - 3:17
 * 3) "Coda" - 0:59
 * 4) "Amazonen" - 5:19
 * 5) "Die Chinesische Mauer" - 5:01
 * 6) "Samurai" - 5:22
 * 7) "Carte Blanche" - 3:56
 * 8) "Schwarzer Engel" - 5:18
 * 9) "Zinnsoldat" - 3:24

The Invisible Man (English Edition)

 * 1) "Samurai (Did You Ever Dream)" - 5:13
 * 2) "Carte Blanche (Ride on with the Breeze)" - 3:24
 * 3) "Silver Water" - 4:42
 * 4) "Your Favorite Toy" - 3:26
 * 5) "Intro" (Cretu, Cretu) - 2:27
 * 6) "Mikado" (Cretu, Cretu) - 3:14
 * 7) "Coda" (Cretu, Cretu) - 0:59
 * 8) "Heavy Traffic" - 4:57
 * 9) "The Invisible Man" - 5:01

The Invisible Man (1986 LP Reissue)

 * 1) "Gambit" - 4:35
 * 2) "Samurai (Did You Ever Dream)" - 5:13
 * 3) "Silver Water" - 4:40
 * 4) "Your Favorite Toy" - 3:24
 * 5) "Intro" - 2:28
 * 6) "Mikado" - 3:13
 * 7) "Coda" - 0:59
 * 8) "Heavy Traffic" - 4:54
 * 9) "The Invisible Man" - 5:01

Singles Released

 * Samurai (German & English 7"/12") 1985
 * Carte Blanche (German 7") 1985
 * Schwarzer Engel (German 7"/12") 1984
 * Silver Water (English 7"/12") 1985
 * Die Chinesische Mauer (German 7"/12") 1985
 * Gambit (English 7"/12") 1986

Personnel

 * Mats Bjorklund – guitar
 * Peter Cornelius – guitar
 * Curt Cress – percussion, drums
 * Michael Crétu – keyboards, vocals, producer, electric drums, drum programming
 * Christian Felke – saxophone
 * Mike Schmidt – artwork
 * Armand Volker – producer

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Talk:Felix Z. Longoria Jr.

2004 Comment
Felix Longoria is important in the history of Mexican-American civil rights. [[User:David_Johnson|David Johnson [ T|C ] ]] 19:37, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What the heck has happened to this stub? Will revert
This used to be a very good stub. But since the 01:42, 30 March 2007 Nobunaga24 version there has been quite a bit of vandalism by User:66.94.97.114 in April 2007. I have reverted this article to the 30 March 2007 Nobunaga24 version and I will also add the contribution of 18:59, 25 May 2007 Searchme to my revert as well as the contributions of User:195.22.28.18 in May 2007. Chicaneo 08:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I dropped the longoria.net external links, which were to a genealogical site that had next to nothing on the article subject, just his parents name. I just don't think they're "meaty" enough to justify inclusion in the article. Also added a bibliography section, there's a book on the Longoria affair. Haven't read it, but since it's University of Texas press, it's probably worthwhile. Studerby 14:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I've been meaning to read up on Pvt. Longoria so I can contribute to the article more. Thanks for the book ref.Chicaneo 00:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

What does the Z for his middle name stand for?
 * I believe it is Zapata, but I will need to check with my aunts.C. W. Gilmore (talk) 03:52, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

User:70.120.88.79 = User:Chicaneo
Sorry, I keep forgetting to sign in. All edits by User:70.120.88.79 were done by User:Chicaneo. No, there is not a phantom, unregistered editor out there. :) Chicaneo 01:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

"The rest of the story"
I just deleted some material whose edit summary referred to it as "the rest of the story". That material needs a reliable source to insure that it is WP:verifiable. Also, since Longoria's widow is presumptively alive, the material must comply with the biography of living persons policy. Studerby 16:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

My family was raised in Three Rivers. Mrs. Kenedy was a good friend of my grandmother who died in March 2007. while racial discrimination does occur, in Three Rivers and other parts of the US - it was not an underlying motive in the Longoria case. Additionally, citing references does not make information factual. The Felix Longoria Jr. case is far from true and it sickens me to hear the lies of 1949 bandied about to this very day by those wanting political cannon fodder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brittvincent (talk • contribs) 20:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * While you may have some special information about this, the problem is that Wikipedia is not based on what is "true" (because too many people argue about what is or isn't true), but on what is verifiable, since most well-intentioned people can agree on what reliable sources actually say, even when there are conflicting versions (policy is that all reliably sourced conflicting versions may be represented in an article). If there's a reliable source for that point of view of Mr. Kenedy's actions, then the article can reflect that, properly cited. If there's a reliable source for the material on Longoria's widow, then it can be included, again with proper citations. To quote Wikipedia policy:
 * "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. 'Verifiable' in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." Studerby 20:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been a movement among the friends and family of Mr. Kennedy, to whitewash the historical record with websites like, but the PBS Ombudsman did a detailed review of complaints regarding the issues raised C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:16, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

It is Time

 * Beatrice Longoria died in 2008, and it is time to update this story. This is the kind of thing that foments unrest in South Texas, and breeds unnecessary resentments. -- lbravo —Preceding undated comment added 22:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The unrest in South Texas is due to longstanding issues that have not been resolved and only a full airing of the past can help heal the wounds of the past, NOT pretending they did not happen. Thanks C. W. Gilmore (talk) 08:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem in Southwest Texas, including Three Rivers, is that they have never accepted and embraced the racism of their past, as their past; but are still fighting it. This is where Three Rivers could learn a lesson from Monroeville, Alabama on acceptance of the past as the past, while not having the future of the town defined by it's past alone.  You can not have reconciliation with the events of the past without acknowledging the events of the past, this is the lesson humanity has learned from South Africa to Canada.  Questions regarding the lack of African Americans in Live Oak Country in the past, must be answered as well as the traditional subjugation and segregation of the Mexican Americans in that area in the past.  When these questions are asked and answered, then and only then can the area past, their past; but not by fighting the very existence of these issues in their past.C. W. Gilmore (talk) 23:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Corpus Christi Newspaper
Can anyone help locate the original news article written by reporter George Groh of the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. It has the most timely and accurate accounts of the conversation between the reporter and the funeral home director. Thanks C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:22, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Segregation in Texas Cemetaries
It appears that some of these issues continue:, perhaps the continued legacy of segregation in Texas should be another topic or should it be a section in this article?C. W. Gilmore (talk) 18:53, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The American G.I. Forum filed a federal lawsuit against the Normanna Cemetery Association charges that they violated long-standing civil rights protections when it refused Dorothy Barrera in February of 2016, because her husband was 'Mexican' and not allowed burial in the city cemetery. Other links for this story C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Segregated cemeteries have been illegal since 1948 when the U.S. Supreme Court banned racial covenants on real estate, but in many places it still occurs to this day. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 19:45, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Third Epistle to the Corinthians

Language
So, would one be safe in assume this was written in Greek? allixpeeke (talk) 05:55, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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Suggest merger
I'm not sure why Epistle of the Corinthians to Paul is a separate article. 3 Corinthians is presented as a grouped correspondence - the sources don't separate out the letter & its response. They pretty clearly had the same authors / source. Any objections to merging that article into this one? SnowFire (talk) 02:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Authorship section
The Authorship section contains only one source (Bart Ehrman). Does this mean that all the analysis in this section is the scholarly opinion of Ehrman? The text should clarify this. Ashmoo (talk) 09:20, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kneph

Overhaul
I have dug up a modern source and rewritten the article in line with that.
 * No modern source connects Khnum with Kneph, and modern sources on either exist. This indicates that archeological evidence has shown the two to be distinct.  The earliest sources I can find for the claim are theosophical works, not historical works, and they were bad about intentionally confusing deities to further their own claims.
 * The Encircled Serpent is far from a scholarly source, it smacks way to much of 19th century reductionist "all religion is worship of (the sun/the dead/fire/snakes/sex)." This, the influence that religious bias (from Theosophy, Christianity, or atheism) had, and the romanticism that pervaded Egyptology then, are all reasons why most source from the 19th century and early 20th century are usually not accepted at face value by modern scholars, and are really only appropriate to describe the beliefs from that era.
 * The Mackenzie "Egyptian Myth and Legend" is a 2006 reprint of a 1907 work.
 * That and other works are outdated. Archeology, especially Egyptian archaeology, is not something static.  If the ideas contained in those works are still considered valid, they will be found in modern sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Regarding the theosophical sources I added: they are to show that theosophists conflated this motif with different deities, not to portray their beliefs as historical fact, as the editor who called them into question has done in this and other articles. What I did was the proper and neutral use of such sources; the later is fringe pov-pushing.  Ian.thomson (talk) 16:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

 * More sources (thanks to User:A. Parrot):
 * Κμηφ: "Ein verkannter Gott" by Heinz J. Thissen, Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik 1996.
 * Iamblichus' Egyptian Neoplatonic Theology in De Mysteriis by Dennis Clark, The International Journal of the Platonic Tradition, Volume 2, Issue 2, p.164-205
 * Alchemical Traditions: From Antiquity to the Avant-Garde by Aaron Cheak, Numen Books, 22 Aug 2013.
 * Sources I was aware of:
 * "Hermès Trismégiste: Le Livré Sacre sur les Décans: Texte, variantes et traduction française" by C.E. Ruelle, Revue de Philologie October 1908, p.247-277
 * The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation ed. Hans Dieter Betz, University of Chicago UP, 1986, p.30 et passim, and p.333 (glossary)
 * From Jewish Magic to Gnosticism, by Attilo Mastrocinque, Mohr Siebeck, 2005, throughout, esp. p. 61-94.
 * Ian.thomson (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Mastrocinque (p.155-156 and elsewhere) discusses how Chnoubis arose from Alexandrian Jews syncretizing YHWH and the Egyptian creator deity Chnum, who had been mixed up with the Theban Knef, and was identified with decan(s) near Leo (since the planet in charge of that sign is the sun). This resulted in Chnoubis, the lion-headed serpent that appears in a number of gems and the Gnostic Apocryphon of John.  Supposed to be in bed, just wanted to get this here so I don't completely forget. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:KSA (disambiguation)

KSA is short for Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Shouldn't it redirect to there? More people are gonna be searching KSA for Saudi Arabia than for some guy, aren't they?

 * On 2017-12-01 I looked here for a KSA as a place and completely missed the first line, even though "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia" was there.
 * I am therefore rearranging this page to start with "Places" to include Saudi Arabia and the Sydney airport.  DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:The National Interest

Infobox
Should this use Template:Infobox_Journal instead?

- Yes, and now it does. Verisimilus  T  12:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really, that infobox is for academic journals, this is a magazine. I have changed this. --Crusio (talk) 19:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Dated
This entry is getting somewhat dated and should move beyond the Bush years.

 * So, did it stop publication in 2008? From this page, it appears so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.90 (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Conservative?
The article says that the magazine is conservative, but I don't see anywhere on the site where the magazine describes itself as conservative. It seems to be more realist on the other hand. 134.48.162.46 (talk) 14:34, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Advertising
Repeating what I've indicated in edit summaries and elsewhere, the article was poorly referenced and promotional before the recent expansion. The expansion added more promotional and unreliable sources. Independent sources are necessary to avoid such WP:NOT and WP:POV problems. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 17:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

 * The following two comments are copied from my talk page. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hipal!

This is a response to my talk page where you asked about COI for my edits on The National Interest magazine. For the record, there is no Conflict of Interest, I have not accepted any fees, and I have nothing to do with the magazine. Regarding the "notable contributors" section which you keep deleting: the first undo you did was for citing too many sources closely related to the article, which I, in hindsight, agreed with. I replaced the sources with independent third-party ones, which you've now deleted again. For reference, please look at the Wikipedia article for Foreign Affairs magazine, which is not just more renowned, but also has a section on contributors, using at times language I would deem highly promotional in nature. I tried basing my edit off of that, and compared to the article on Foreign Affairs, my edits are not a unique exception of dreamt-up COI. If you think I am soapboxing or advertising, then lets move this to the talk page of the specific article and get a third or even fourth opinion from other editors. If there is consensus reached that they prefer your edits, then I rest my case completely.

Although I am technically new here, and your time at Wikipedia and seniority is both longer and more respected, it is no grounds for you to keep undoing my edits. I suspect we're both trapped in a highly subjective opinion of what constitutes soapboxing in this article. In my opinion, contributors to a magazine are definitely worth mentioning in an objective, neutral way, because a magazine is nothing without their contributors. Although I've agreed with many of your edits, I do not think its valid to completely undo all of mine as you've now done twice. Instead, a targeted approach to solve the issues you believe exist are more valid. If you and I can't resolve this ourselves, please summon additional editors, preferably at random.

Pangaion (talk) 17:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding.
 * there is no Conflict of Interest Great.
 * I replaced the sources with independent third-party ones They were replaced with a bunch of pr profiles that demonstrate no encyclopedic value nor weight.
 * Re Foreign Affairs: WP:OSE. If you want to compare articles, make sure they are either WP:GA-quality, or have had extensive and relevant discussion.
 * it is no grounds for you to keep undoing my edits. WP:FOC.

 * I've suggested you avoid such articles while you learn your way around Wikipedia, and directed you to working from independent and reliable sources. Ignoring the latter will get you nowhere. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 17:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Third opinion
I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on The National Interest and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. After reviewing the above discussion, I ask both and  to summarize their position in two sentences. Before summarizing your position, Hipal please note that WP is a free content that anyone can edit; and Pangaion please read our community's rules on verifiability carefully. Borsoka (talk) 07:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Other than the references that I retained, the rest are either unreliable or poor (promotional and/or not independent of the subject). Using such sources, the expansion violated WP:NOT, WP:POV, and WP:OR/WP:V. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, my position is essentially that the content removed was too much. For example, If a patient is feeling pain in their arm and we see something's wrong, we don't amputate the entire arm to solve the problem. I feel that what problems my edits had could have been dealt with in a more targeted fashion, for example singling-out the sources needing correction, as opposed to undoing almost everything I wrote. Haha! -- Pangaion (talk) 10:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the summaries. Yes, was bold, but he explained his edits in the edit summaries., you are right: the article could be improved. Before making further edits, please find reliable sources, taking into account Hipal's remarks about the importance of independent sources. I hope you will enjoy your work. Borsoka (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Harry (given name)

"Harry" slang
"Harry" slang: common in the Services post-war, particularly RAF, used as a fore-word. For example, a lady I knew, ex-WRAF married to ex-RAF officer used to joke that when expecting her name changed, as in "This is the wife, she's Harry Preggers".

Recent edits
I do not see why my edit was reverted. The reason for the reversion was not written on this page indicated. The main edit that seemed to be reverted was my switch from hypens to commas. Commas are the standard on Wikipedia disambiguation pages and this switch is important for consistancy. Either way, something needs to be done about them as in the switch back to hypens, several of the commas were missed.

Also, in the switch back, several names were put out of alphabetical order, some were inexplicably deleted, and subjectivity was added into some descriptions. Neelix 15:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

No names were deleted, honest. The original list (before I came along) was only one list, it is now split into categories - fair enough. However, some fictional characters remained in the list of real people, I moved them to the fictional characters section. There are one or two who are both real and fictional, eg Harry Hotspur. Harry Flashman was/is a hero for two distinct authors. There are no subjective descriptions. The most questionable reference is Harry Corbett/Harry H. Corbett, but they were around at the same time, they were often confused with each other, there was rumour at the time that they did not get on and it is important to distinguish between them. Somewhere in there an earlier compiler said he put Prince Henry at the top because he is the most important Harry, I am sure that they will disagree in Lamar, Missouri. He is HRH Prince Henry of Wales, Prince Harry is a nickname, the major article is headed "Prince Henry".

The real point is that there are so many people called Harry, that is all they have in common, this is rather a silly article to have and getting sillier. Every time I go to the article I think of another name to include. It is getting to be like Monty Python. Sweetalkinguy 01:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC) ;-)

Right way round
The thought occurred to me that the items in the list should be the other way round, eg Andrews, Harry, as this makes more sense than a list starting off "Harry" for every item, and it would enable items like Debby Harry to be put, if necessary, in a different section. Sweetalkinguy 13:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Why enumerate all of them?
I generally agree with the comment above... what's the point of enumerating every Harry on Wikipedia? Special:Allpages will basically do the same thing. And other names (eg. Joshua, David, Christopher, etc.) haven't tried to be complete. --Interiot 18:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * You are right, as I said, it is getting silly, like something out of Monty Python. There are two points.  If it is done at all then it has to be complete, or else what is included and what is omitted becomes an arbitrary choice out of keeping with an encyclopaedia.  If it is done purely mechanically, then it gets out of logical order (is Harry Dean Stanton under H for Harry, D for Dean or S for Stanton, and then what about Harry F Byrd?).  There will also be omissions, look at all the Harry Johnsons.  I am sure checking them all individually has still left some out, and some are positioned arbitrarily, but it is as close as possible.  And, as you rightly say, what is the point, and why not do it for Tom and Dick as well.  There are much bigger messes on Wikipedia which limit its usefulness, for example, descriptions of categories and allotting articles to categories, the worst surrounds Oscars and allotting titles and names to more than one simultaneously or at all.  Guy 03:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

"Chav"
The 'harry' culture is somewhat similar to the british chav culture.

Is there any evidence to support this? The term chav is a recent invention of the British popular press and is virtually meaningless, wheras "harry" appears to be a Norwegian usage of their upper classes being disparaging about the "hoi polloi". Do Norwegians youths wear mock Burberry caps and get drunk and disorderly in public? If you are making a comparison, I would suggest a better comparison is Sloane Ranger in the original Peter York sense, although in this case the objects of attention are rather higher in the social order, and this term too rapidly became meaningless.

I suggest this comment stay here until any evidence to support reinstatement is produced.

 * I agree. The term 'harry' rarely appears in the same context as the English term chav. I'd say "slask" is a more appropiate Norwegian word for it, actually, though it's still not exactly the same thing. 85.166.252.68 16:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC) Guy 21:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Harry Tomkinson

 * Harry Tomkinson - England and Stoke footballer - awaiting a supporting article

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Information about the name
I can't find any information about the name - country of origin, first historic Harries, etc. (And this kind of info is what I actually wanted to find.) 212.76.37.142 15:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary:Transwiki:Harry or Harry. Pan Dan 17:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Re:, no Sweetalkinguy, it was not a disambiguation page. Notable people are not commonly referred to by the public by their first names. A person searching for Harry W. Addison would not think to enter "Harry" as a search term. BTW, please be aware that calling someone's good faith edits "vandalism" is a violation of WP:AGF. Pan Dan 00:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Harold?
No, I don't have a source, but shouldn't Harold be included in this list? I know for Henry, which the article cites, also can be nicknamed with "Hank", but Harold and Harry are pretty close, and I imagine some Harolds call themselves or are called Harry also. ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 06:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Harry
Harry is spelt with a c 86.8.3.91 (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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moving the page from deafblindness to deaf-blind
This page was moved from deafblindness to deaf-blind, and marked as a Minor edit. I don't believe moving a page is ever 'minor'. This is from How to edit a page: "Minor edits generally mean spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearrangement of text. ... Marking a significant change as a minor edit is considered bad behavior."

I don't have a strong preference for either name but i'm curious why the change was made? It goes against Naming conventions which states that "adjectives (such as democratic) should redirect to nouns (in this case, democracy)". ntennis 05:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, page seems to have been moved back now (marked as minor again). This has created a few double redirects. ntennis 06:43, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Note: Sorry, my mistake. The move was not marked as minor. ntennis 16:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Info in "See also" section
Ntennis reverted my edit, which removed a note about white canes with red stripes indicating deafblindness and replaced it with a generalized note about what a white cane is. I've reverted this because a see also section is not the place to be introducing new information, i.e. the info should be elsewhere. I'd have removed the note altogether, but left it for those unfamiliar with blindness/deafblindness. Moulder 05:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. :) ntennis 16:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Intervenor vs. Interpreter
People who are deaf-blind do not use the services of interpreters - they use the services of intervenors. Refer to http://www.cnib.ca/eng/about-us/careers/current/intervenor-toronto-072806.htm for a job description for an intervenor position with CNIB office in Toronto. Refer to http://ogov.newswire.ca/ontario/GPOE/2006/06/01/c9097.html?lmatch=&lang=_e.html for a press release including a description of intervenors and interpreters:

"Interpreters act as a language and cultural bridge between a deaf person and a hearing person and make it possible for deaf and hard-of-hearing people to use essential services such as legal, health and social services. Intervenors make it possible for deafblind people to participate in community activities through a variety of communication methods."

Clearly these occupations are similar, but also disctinct.

Refer also to http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:OQFSPuiNh-4J:www.chkc.org/main/media_press/6_Ontario.doc+intervenor+services&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9

"In order to communicate with each other and any other member of our society, people with deafblindness need intervenors, not to be confused with interpreters. These George Brown College-trained professionals are skilled in guiding techniques and in all communication systems used by people who are deafblind, including Adapted Sign Language, Tactile Communication, finger spelling and Braille, to name a few. If you consider that for a deafblind person without an intervenor, their world is the span of their arm, an intervenor brings the rest of the world to them and is their vital link, their only link to the outside." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.26 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 23 July 2006

 * It seems that you have a restrictive definition of interpreting which explicitly excludes anyone who works with deafblind people. This is a peculiar definition! It is also not backed up by the sources you provide, which describe "interpreting" as one of the services an intervenor may provide. In addition, the intervenor may act as a guide and even instruct the client on 'personal grooming'! The word "interpreting" that you have changed to "intervening" in the article is actually part of a list. This list is introduced with the phrase "methods of communication involve:". So unless you are suggesting that deafblind people can only communicate if someone intervenes or makes decisions for them, then I suggest we leave it as "interpreting services such as sign language interpreters and other communication aides." The phrase "other communication aides" should cover those instances when the worker is not strictly working between two languages, such as relay interpreters and transliterators. If you would like to add a separate section about "intervening services", then please do so, but I don't feel it belongs under "communication". By the way, please remember that wikipedia is global, and different places use different terminology. ntennis 07:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Intervenors certainly deserve a place in this article, but they must not be confused with interpreters. In fact, an interpreter cannot perform the services of an intervenor without special training, although an intervenor may also be trained as an interpreter.  I am also highly opposed to any suggestion that deafblind people need intervenors to communicate with everyone including each other.  That is absolute nonsense...I have seen deafblind people talking just fine to each other through tactile sign, and I have talked with deafblind people myself, also in tactile sign, without the need for an intervenor.  I agree with ntennis that intervenors should not be placed under communication; in fact only an intervenor who is also an interpreter is responsible for communication at all, and certainly not all intervenors are interpreters. -Etoile 03:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

bad name links
It seems that there's a problem with one of the name links. Mary Bradley links to an irish politician born in 1942. Since the comment after this link states that time and place of birth is unknown and the year of death is 1866 and assuming people are just not able to die years before their birth there must be something wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.172.127.19 (talk) 07:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Easy enough to fix. Added an attribute to the link, "deafblind girl" may not be the best attribute, feel free to change it.  Also added a link at the bottom referring to her story; will try to expand this to an article so the link isn't red anymore! -Etoile 03:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Communication
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I think [Ntennis's] recent edit reduced the accuracy of the sentence. Every deaf-blind person I have known who uses sign will express themselves in the same way that other signers do. It's only when others are signing to them that it becomes tactile. Thus, I think the description "supplemented by a tactile version of Sign used by others to communicate with the deafblind person" is more accurate. I wanted to know your thought before I revert. Thanks. Ward3001 22:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, I'm not strongly attached to the second version and I am very open to rephrasing. However, I'm not particularly keen on the first version myself. Here are the two sentences:
 * "For example, someone who grew up deaf and experienced vision loss later in life is likely to use a sign language..."
 * "supplemented by a tactile version of Sign used by others to communicate with the deafblind person."
 * "(in a visually-modified or tactual form)."

 * I disagree that the first is more accurate. Why "supplemented"? What about visual modifications? Why say Sign with a capital S? The first sentence also implies to me that the other person is not deafblind himself or herself.

 * For me, use of a language is not only expressive, but receptive. The form of sign language used in communication where one or both parties is deafblind is usually different to the form used by two normally-sighted signers. I think the second version expresses this.

 * I also think the first version is too long, and obscures the point of the paragraph - that the type of communication used will depend on "the nature of their condition, the age of onset, and what resources are available to them." Or in other words, that a late deafened person's main language is usually a spoken one, while an early deafened person's main language is usually a signed one - at least for those who had access to a signing community. To be honest i think we could do away with the qualification altogether to make the comparison stronger. Or add a sentence afterwards, something like "The form of the spoken or signed language used is usually modified." I welcome your thoughts and others'. ntennis 00:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

 * My original comment to you was sparked because I felt that it was important to distinguish between the expressive and receptive methods. I have pondered alternate ways to say it, but it always seem to make the sentence too long, as you said. Right now I am inclined to leave your version as it is. I may change my mind after more thought, in which case I'll let you know on your talk page before making any changes. Ward3001 01:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

 * P.s while we're on the topic, I don't think the sentence starting with "Multisensory methods" is very illuminating. What I could glean from the Tacpac article and the links there is that they use touch and hearing (for those who have residual hearing). It's doesn't seem that multisensory to me. ;) Is this paragraph really referring to methods other than Tacpac? What are they? ntennis 00:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I had never heard of Tacpac before reading about it here. I get the impression that "multisensory methods" that go beyond the tactile methods described earlier in the paragraph are mainly for deaf-blind children. I can't claim any expertise. Looking at the edit histories for both articles, it looks like the information in Deafblindness and most of the article on Tacpac may have been added by someone affiliated with Tacpac. That editor has no additional edits. Ward3001 01:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

proof of word
could somebody please provide a link to a credible source using the word deafblindness. It seems that describing someone as deaf blind or blind deaf is sufficient and we shouldn't be writing encyclopaedia articles suggesting our own new words. This site is the first place that I've seen which uses the term deafblind. Owen214 (talk) 12:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's a link to Deafblind International. http://www.deafblindinternational.org/ At a world conference around 20 years ago it was proposed by Italy and agreed to use the term deafblind as one word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dayleeds (talk • contribs) 14:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Only talks about one sensory deprivation from birth, and the second always comes later.
What about people who were born without both sight and hearing?? This article is pretty much incomplete and silly. It begins by explaining the condition of a person who can't see or hear, but only refers to two cases, where only one hindering is from birth, the other one always came later. What about the other cases? According to the article they don't exist?Dollvalley (talk) 00:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think the article is "incomplete and silly", then by all means, please do some research, find some reliable sources, and improve the article. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. That includes Cresix (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Deaf-blind vs. deafblind
The adjective form of this word appears with the hyphen in many locations and without it in many others. The noun deafblindness is almost always written without the hyphen, but numerous sources at the bottom hyphenate the adjective as deaf-blind. Can we reach a consensus as to which spelling we want to use? As of now, the arbitrary use of either makes the article look sloppy and inconsistent. I vote to follow the sources and use the hyphen. What do you think? Armadillopteryx (talk) 02:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just for clarity: I vote not to use the hyphen in the noun everywhere it occurs, and I vote to use it in the adjective everywhere it occurs. Armadillopteryx (talk) 02:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Since the article contained more occurrences of "deafblind" than of "deaf-blind," I've changed them all to "deafblind" for the time being. I'm open to other suggestions, though. Armadillopteryx (talk) 04:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The World Federation of Deafblind People use the term deafblind with no hyphen. See http://www.wfdb.org/the_world_federation_of_the_deafblind_wfdb.text.shtml My view is that we should use the term that is adopted in most countries by the people affected themselves. I understand that the use of a hyphen is common in north america but not elsewhere. It's my understanding that the adoption of one word is meant to imply that being deafblind is not as simple as being both deaf and blind but deafblindness needs to be addressed as a specific and different disability. dayleeds 29 Oct 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dayleeds (talk • contribs) 14:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk about the only deaf blind theater in the world
This might be of interest to the article: http://nalagaat.org.il/en/theater/not-by-bread-alone/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swisema1 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Epidemiology
How common is deafblindness? It seems more common than the intersection of deafness and blindness. Is there a common cause? This information is missing from the article. In fact, the medical aspects of deafblindness are almost completely lacking. --BDD (talk) 15:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Athan
Are u talking aloud I cannot hear u can u see me Noseenohear (talk) 10:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Question on terminology and style guide
Hi,I’m trying to comply with WAI/WCAG and had a question about terminology and style guides. I noticed that much of this article is old and that many of the citations are outdated; what is the proper spelling and the preferred style for the term: Deaf-Blind, Deaf-blind, DeafBlind, or Deafblind today in 2021 (i. e., do the plurality of the deafblind community prefer capitalizing Deaf, Blind, both, or neither; and do you and/or they prefer the use of a hyphen or its omission)? Also, in lieu of just expressing a personal opinion, providing objective, independent, verifiable citations with quantitative results of a formal poll or survey, preferably done by an academic institution or non-profit organization, for the preferred terms, hyphenation, capitalization, and styling would be most appreciated. Thanks! —PowerPCG5 (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

sa facem ce despre pt communication nou deafromania
eu sunt handicapat este memorie lenutaa_mirceaa/www.deafblindness.com 79.119.228.68 (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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Jharkhand Vananchal Congress, a political party in Jharkhand, India. The party is led by Samresh Singh. The JVC has been merged into Bahujan Samaj Party.

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Talk:Fortress of Solitude

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Family Guy has done superman parodies twice in the fortress of solitude.

A game released for gameboy advance by electronic arts - 24 November 2006 has been named "Superman Returns: Fortress of Solitude"

What about Doc Savage's Fortress of Solitude?

Whomever did the latest work to this page did an outstanding job!

I was wondering are there any more picture of the Fortress of Solitude?

The first appearace of Superman's Fortress of Solitude is not in 1958
The Fortress of Solitude first appeared in Superman #58 (May-June 1949 cover date). In the third story of this issue, "The Case of the Second Superman", not only does Superman use the name "Fortress of Solitude" for the first time to describe his fort, but he also indicates that it is located "in the polar waste".Heathcliff 01:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It is first mentioned in 1949, but not actually depicted until 1958. I have clarified this. Mandrakos (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

 * This is wrong. In the third story from Superman 58, "The Case of the Second Superman", the fortress is depicted as Superman flies to it with Regor, "the Second Superman", on the last panel on page 5 (this is the panel where Superman calls it his "Fortress of Solitude") and the first four panels on page 6 show the inside of the Fortress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heathcliff (talk • contribs) 15:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

 * You are absolutely right, Heathcliff. I have made additional corrections and added an external link with a view of the 1949 Fortress. Mandrakos (talk) 07:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, here is it 2022 and someone's made the article wrong again. Why is this so hard to understand?Heathcliff (talk) 19:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

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Doc Savage's Fortress of Solitude
um...why is Doc Savage's Fortress of Solitude on this page? It seems like a product of a merger gone wrong. Either give it its own page or put it on Doc Savage's page, but it definitely does not belong on this page. -Jaardon (talk) 00:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

 * But of course the fact that the Fortress name and idea is taken from an earlier series is relevant here. At least a bare mention is mandatory -- this is the origin of the page's topic, after all -- and if it were known that some editor who worked on both publications was responsible for carrying the idea over from Savage to Superman, that would also be germane. Mandrakos (talk) 14:56, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
I have been around Wikipedia for a while now, and I must say, I don't understand this nonsense. I have been to the Antartic many times and I've never even heard about this supposed "fortress." Which government owns it? It's not even on google maps! This article looks like vandalism to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.15.63.4 (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

It is maybe a joke, but I respond. Its a fictional creation from the superman comic universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricardo Persona (talk • contribs) 00:05, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Possible inspiration - Caspar David Friedrich - Das Eismeer
It's maybe just a coincidence, but I find the composition quite ressemblant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricardo Persona (talk • contribs) 00:03, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

The original fortress
The original concept of the Fortress of Solitude appeared in the 1930 story "Gladiator" by Philip Wylie, which story undoubtedly played a great part in the idea of a Superman.(5.8.186.99 (talk) 19:09, 18 July 2017 (UTC))

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Re: merging John Davidson (popular singer) and John Davidson (game show host);

I don't really like either of the titles. He has hosted variety programs in addition to game shows, and has also been an actor. Suggestions? Fan-1967 16:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point, and I thought about that too. John Davidson (entertainer) maybe? He's just done so many different things it's hard to pinpoint something. Kirjtc2 19:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't think of that one, but I think it's a good choice. I just checked the DAB page and the others are a poet, a hockey player and a (redlinked) botanist. Entertainer should make it pretty clear who we're talking about. Fan-1967 20:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Everyone who worked on this should be thanked for removing needless duplication. Bona Fides 13:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Faked His Death
Infamous for faking His death in the eighties or nineties. Disappeared for a time. Sorry no citation but it was a big deal in the news76.246.235.134 (talk) 23:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I never heard that, and I can't find any reference to that anywhere.— Chowbok  ☠  23:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I am certain it happened. If I can find a reliable source I will let you know. Thanks Chowbok (still looking)76.246.235.134 (talk) 16:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I think he was supposed to have died of AIDS or drug addiction — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.250.4 (talk) 02:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Can not believe some of this info?? Is this the gentleman in the fire in Cincinnati in the late 6o's or 70's??
 * That gentleman had a bad time dealing with this situation. Great singer and so happy with life. 2602:306:BDBA:A8D0:A435:35EB:D4BF:D942 (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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Living in Mexico
The Categories: director at the bottom of the page connects him to American expatriates in Mexico. The article makes no mention of this. Does he or did he live in Mexico? Venqax (talk) 16:31, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 1b

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

John Davidson (entertainer) → John Davidson (game show host) –(unbundled as requested) On the borderline where you'd expect (entertainer) to be a possible for article title WP:CRITERIA, but no, in WP:RS still overwhelmingly known as "host John Davidson" = 1,110 GBooks vs only "entertainer John Davidson" = 77 GBooks; perhaps because his sideline career was as dinner singer of lounge music standards, rather than a TV singer? But anyway, follow the sources. Relisted. BDD (talk) 16:10, 18 September 2013 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 03:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Support; "(entertainer)" is always a bad way to title an article, and all articles titled that way should be moved to another title. I suppose there will never be a consensus for moving certain present articles, but they are still wrong. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 13:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Subject is notable as a host, a singer, and an actor. Perfect situation to use "(entertainer)". Dohn joe (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look to perfect when 1,100 vs 77 are for TV "host". The relevant policy is WP:AT, particularly 2. Naturalness ... Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English. What evidence is there that the subject is actually called "entertainer" in English? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Oppose. Recentism. I know him as a singer. Sw2nd (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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Openly Atheist
Although the son of Baptist ministers, John himself is an atheist. His atheism is important enough to him that he just released a video talking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_MlSaTTy14 It seems like it might merit a sentence or two in the Personal Life section. Dansan99 (talk) 06:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Good point, I agree. Venqax (talk) 16:32, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

That's Incredible
How is John Davidsons time on That's Incredible not mentioned at all? Wiki's page on John Davidson mentions the show. 2603:8080:D700:7A47:516E:576E:87B6:21BC (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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3Dc

3Dc (FourCC : ATI2), also known as DXN, BC5, or Block Compression 5 is a lossy data compression algorithm for normal maps invented and first implemented by ATI. It builds upon the earlier DXT5 algorithm and is an open standard. 3Dc is now implemented by both ATI and Nvidia.

Target application
The target application, normal mapping, is an extension of bump mapping that simulates lighting on geometric surfaces by reading surface normals from a rectilinear grid analogous to a texture map - giving simple models the impression of increased complexity. This additional channel however increases the load on the graphics system's memory bandwidth. Pre-existing lossy compression algorithms implemented on consumer 3D hardware lacked the precision necessary for reproducing normal maps without excessive visible artefacts, justifying the development of 3Dc.

Algorithm
Surface normals are three-dimensional vectors of unit length. Because of the length constraint only two elements of any normal need to be stored. The input is therefore an array of two-dimensional values.

Compression is performed in 4×4 blocks. In each block the two components of each value are compressed separately. For each block, each of the two components have a palette of 8 values to choose from. The palettes are generated from two values representing the start and end of a line and the other six values being generated as linear combinations of the start and end values.

Compression is natively achieved by finding the lowest and highest values of the 16 pixels to be compressed and storing each of those as an 8-bit quantity. Individual elements within the 4×4 block are then stored with 3-bits each, representing their position on an 8 step linear scale from the lowest value to the highest. Each pixel's 3-bit value (the palette index) would be chosen by choosing the palette entry with the minimum distance from the original values.

Total storage is 128 bits per 4x4 block once both source components are factored in. In an uncompressed scheme with similar 8-bit precision, the source data is 32 8-bit values for the same area, occupying 256 bits. The algorithm therefore produces a 2:1 compression ratio.

The compression ratio is sometimes stated as being "up to 4:1" as it is common to use 16-bit precision for input data rather than 8-bit. This produces compressed output that is literally 1/4 the size of the input but it is not of comparable precision.

3Dc+
3Dc+ (FourCC: ATI1) (also known as BC4 or Block Compression 4) can compress textures, i.e. light maps, shadow maps, HDR textures and material properties. 3Dc+ provides 2:1 compression ratio with  single component (DXT5 alpha) 8-bit integer textures and  4:1 compression ratio with normal maps and textures consisting of two 8-bit integer components

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Sarkic?
It's still a stub, but I think that it's now more accurate (and more literate). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:56, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I haven't found any other google hits about this word except for in fiction, is this an actual word? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.26.207.253 (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, the term is legit. Found academic sources via Google Books. The article is in need of a rescue. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 02:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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Isaac R. Trimble

Isaac Ridgeway Trimble (May 15, 1802 – January 2, 1888) was a United States Army officer, a civil engineer, a prominent railroad construction superintendent and executive, and a Confederate general in the American Civil War. He was born in Virginia, lived in Maryland for much of his adult life, and returned to Virginia in 1861 after Maryland did not secede. Trimble is most famous for his role as a division commander in the assault known as Pickett's Charge at the Battle of Gettysburg. He was wounded severely in the leg during that battle, and was left on the field. He spent most of the remainder of the war as a prisoner, and was finally paroled on April 16, 1865, one week after Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia following the Battle of Appomattox Court House.

Youth, education, building railroads
Trimble was born in Frederick County, Virginia, to John and Rachel Ridgeway Trimble, and his family moved to Culpeper County, Virginia shortly thereafter. As a young boy, Trimble's mother and father both died of fever within a short period of time, and he was sent to live with his half-brother in Kentucky. He was nominated by U.S. Representative Henry Clay to attend the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, from which he graduated in 1822, 17th in a class of 42. Although he excelled academically in engineering, he was commissioned as a brevet second lieutenant of artillery. He served for ten years as a lieutenant in the 3rd and 1st U.S. Artillery regiments, and left the U.S. Army in May 1832, along with five of his West Point classmates, to pursue the emerging business of railroad construction.

Trimble was married twice: first, in 1831 to Maria Cattell Presstman of Charleston, South Carolina, who died in 1855; second, to her sister, Ann Ferguson Presstman. By his first marriage he had two sons, David Churchill Trimble and William Presstman Trimble, who survived him. Soon after leaving the Army, Trimble moved to Maryland at the urging of his wife, and he subsequently considered it his home state.

He helped survey the route of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. He was a construction engineer for the Boston and Providence Railroad. He was chief engineer for Pennsylvania Railroad predecessors Baltimore and Susquehanna Railroad; Philadelphia, Wilmington and Baltimore Railroad (serving under famous American Civil War era president Samuel Morse Felton Sr.), where he was responsible for constructing the President Street Station, the line's southern terminal in east downtown waterfront Baltimore in 1849–1850, now the oldest big city train depot left in America. Later then Trimble went to the Philadelphia and Baltimore Central Railroad. From 1859 to 1861, he was superintendent of the Baltimore and Potomac Railroad.

Following the firing on the Federal installation of Fort Sumter in Charleston harbor in South Carolina in early April 1861, he led a contingent of Maryland state militia to burn the railroad bridges around Baltimore to prevent the entry of any more Federal regular army or Northern state militia from passing through the divided riotous city following  the bloodshed conflict of the Pratt Street Riots on April 19, 1861, on the orders of the Mayor of Baltimore George William Brown and Governor of Maryland Hicks.

Civil War
At the start of the Civil War, Trimble participated in efforts to restrict the movement of Union troops to Washington, D.C., by burning bridges north of Baltimore. When he realized that Maryland would not secede from the Union, he returned to Virginia and joined the Provisional Army of the state of Virginia as a colonel of engineers in May 1861. He was appointed a brigadier general in the Confederate States Army on August 9, 1861, and was assigned to construct artillery batteries along the Potomac River and later the defenses of Norfolk, Virginia. He was given command in the Army of the Potomac (the predecessor of the Army of Northern Virginia), of a brigade that consisted of regiments from four different states, effectively merging them into a single fighting unit.

Trimble first saw combat as part of Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson's spring 1862 campaign in the Shenandoah Valley. He distinguished himself in the Battle of Cross Keys by fighting off an attack from Union troops under Maj. Gen. John C. Frémont, and then seizing the initiative to counterattack and rout them. During the Seven Days Battles under Jackson outside of Richmond, Virginia, his brigade had few engagements, but they fought hard at Gaines' Mill and he sought to follow up the unsuccessful Confederate assault on Malvern Hill by making a night attack, but his request was refused.

In the Northern Virginia Campaign, Trimble's brigade performed well at the Battle of Cedar Mountain and defeated a Union brigade at Freeman's Ford in mid-August. The brigade marched with Jackson around Maj. Gen. John Pope's main force and Trimble played a major role in the Battle of Manassas Station Operations, seizing a critical supply depot in Pope's rear. Trimble's forced march and action at Manassas Station received praise from Jackson, who said it was "the most brilliant that has come under my observation during the present war." Pope was forced by this maneuver into attacking Jackson's strong defensive positions and suffered a severe defeat in the Second Battle of Bull Run. Trimble was wounded in the leg during the battle on August 29, resulting in an injury so severe that there was speculation that he was hit with an explosive bullet.

Although Trimble avoided the amputation of his wounded leg, his rehabilitation proceeded slowly. For months after, doctors periodically found bone fragments that had to be extracted. By November, he developed camp erysipelas and a probable case of osteomyelitis, and his ambitions for elevation to division command were on hold until he was well enough to return to active duty. He made his desire for promotion abundantly clear to his colleagues, and in one instance before the army moved north to Manassas, he was quoted as saying (probably humorously), "General Jackson, before this war is over, I intend to be a Major General or a corpse!" Jackson wrote a strong letter of recommendation, although he tempered it by including the sentence "I do not regard him as a good disciplinarian." Trimble engaged in a letterwriting campaign from his sick bed to obtain his promotion and to challenge Jackson's claim. He wrote to Adjutant General Samuel Cooper, "If I am to have promotion I want it at once and I particularly request, that my date may be from 26 August, the date of the capture of Manassas." (During this period Trimble also feuded with Maj. Gen. J. E. B. Stuart about their conflicting reports of the battle and who bore primary responsibility for the seizure of the Union supply depot.)

Trimble was eventually promoted to major general on January 17, 1863, and assigned to the command of Jackson's old division, but he continued to be unable to command in the field due to his health. At the Battle of Chancellorsville Brig. Gen. Raleigh E. Colston, as the senior brigadier general, commanded Trimble's division. A recurrence of illness forced him to turn over his division command in the Second Corps to Maj. Gen. Edward "Allegheny" Johnson and he was assigned to light duty as commander of the Valley District in the Shenandoah Valley on May 28, 1863.

By June 1863, Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia had crossed the Potomac River in the Gettysburg Campaign. Trimble was desperate to get back into action, particularly because he was familiar with the area from his railroad days. He joined Lee's headquarters unsolicited, and wore out his welcome hanging around without formal assignment. Riding north, he caught up with Lt. Gen. Richard S. Ewell on the way to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and joined his staff as a supernumerary, or senior officer without a command. He and Ewell quarreled frequently due to this clumsy arrangement and Trimble's lack of tact.

At the Battle of Gettysburg, Ewell's Second Corps reached the battlefield in the early afternoon of the first day, July 1, 1863, smashing into the Union XI Corps and driving it south through the town to Cemetery Hill. Trimble wrote the following about his encounter with Ewell:

Observers have reported that the "impatient reply" was, "When I need advice from a junior officer I generally ask for it." They also stated that Trimble threw down his sword in disgust and stormed off. A more colorful version of this account has been immortalized in Michael Shaara's novel, The Killer Angels and in the film Gettysburg, where Trimble directly tells Robert E. Lee his feelings about Ewell not taking the hill.

On July 3, 1863, Trimble was one of the three division commanders in Pickett's Charge. He stepped in to replace Maj. Gen. W. Dorsey Pender, of Lt. Gen. A. P. Hill's corps, who had been mortally wounded the previous day. Trimble was at a great disadvantage because he had never worked with these troops before. His division participated in the left section of the assault, advancing just behind the division led by Brig. Gen. J. Johnston Pettigrew (formerly by Maj. Gen. Henry Heth). Trimble rode his horse, Jinny, and was wounded in the left leg, the same leg hit at Second Bull Run. Despite feeling faint, the 61-year-old general was able to walk back to the Confederate line on Seminary ridge. His leg was amputated by Dr. Hunter McGuire, and Trimble could not be taken along with the retreating Confederates, because of fear of infection that would result from a long ambulance ride back to Virginia, so he was left under the care of a family in Gettysburg on July 6 as the army withdrew. Trimble complained bitterly that if his leg had been amputated at Second Bull Run, the bullet would have missed him on this occasion. He was treated in the Seminary Hospital at Gettysburg until August. Of the charge on the third day of Gettysburg, Trimble said: "If the men I had the honor to command that day could not take that position, all hell couldn't take it."

Gettysburg marked the end of Trimble's active military career. He spent the next year and a half in Federal hands at Johnson's Island and Fort Warren. He was recommended for parole soon after capture, but former U.S. Secretary of War Simon Cameron recommended against it, citing Trimble's expert knowledge of northern railroads. In March 1865, Lt. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant ordered Trimble to be sent to City Point, Virginia, for exchange, but by the time he reached there, Robert E. Lee's army was already retreating in the Appomattox Campaign. Trimble was finally paroled in Lynchburg, Virginia, on April 16, 1865, just after Lee's surrender.

Postbellum life and heritage
After the war, Trimble, equipped with an artificial leg, returned to Baltimore, Maryland, to resume his engineering work. He died in Baltimore and is buried there in Green Mount Cemetery, arguably the most famous Maryland resident who fought for the Confederacy.

In 1997, Baltimore's President Street Station, which Trimble had built in 1849, was restored to serve as the Baltimore Civil War Museum.

In popular media
Isaac Trimble was played by actor W. Morgan Sheppard in the movies Gettysburg and Gods and Generals.

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