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Gran Turismo 4

Gran Turismo 4 is a 2004 racing simulation video game developed by Polyphony Digital and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 2. It is the fourth main installment and the sixth overall in the Gran Turismo series. It was released on December 28, 2004, in Japan and Hong Kong, February 22, 2005, in North America, and March 9, 2005, in Europe, and has since been re-issued under Sony's Greatest Hits brand.

Originally planned for a 2003 release, Gran Turismo 4 was delayed for over a year and a half by Polyphony Digital, and had its online mode removed. The game features over 721 cars from 80 manufacturers, from as early as the 1886 Daimler Motor Carriage, and as far into the future as concepts for 2022. The game also features 51 tracks, many of which are new or modified versions of old Gran Turismo tracks, with some notable real-world additions.

Gran Turismo 4 was well-received critically and a commercial success, becoming one of the highest-selling games of 2005, and the third best-selling game on the PlayStation 2. The Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean releases of the game were bundled with a 212-page driving guide and lessons on the physics of racing. A PlayStation Portable enhanced port entitled Gran Turismo Mobile was originally planned for development, but was later renamed to Gran Turismo, which was released October 1, 2009.

Gameplay
Players accumulate points by winning races in the normal first-person driving mode, called A-Spec mode. Each race event can yield up to a maximum of 200 A-Spec points. Generally, a win using a car with less of an advantage over the AI opponents is worth more points. Points can only be won once, so to win further points from a previously won event, it must be re-won using a car with less of an advantage over the AI. There are also 34 "Driving Missions" which yield 250 points each. Despite this, A-Spec points are experience points as opposed to currency.

The new B-Spec mode puts players in the place of a racing crew chief: telling the driver how aggressively to drive, when to pass, and mandating pit stops (by monitoring tire wear and fuel level). The speed of the time in the race can be increased up to 3×, allowing for Endurance races to be completed in less time than would take in A-Spec mode. The 3× feature, however, must be turned on after every pit stop because it resets to normal time. The game manual says that the player may speed up B-Spec mode by up to 5×, but this is believed to be a typo. B-Spec points are given out for each race completed in B-Spec mode. This increases the skill level of the AI driver in the categories of vehicle skill, course skill, and battle skill. Players can thereby use B-Spec mode in harder races as the game progresses, but this mode cannot be used on wet, dirt, and snow courses.

Another new addition to the game is the Driving Missions, which are similar in experience to the license tests, but award successful completion with 250 A-Spec points and 1000 or more credits. Each mission takes place with a given car on a given track or section of track, and a given set of opponents. There are 4 sets of missions: The Pass, in which the driver must overtake an opponent within a certain distance; 3 Lap Battle, in which the driver must pass 5 opponents over the course of 3 laps; Slipstream Battle, in which the driver must overtake identical opponents by way of drafting; and 1 Lap Magic, in which the driver starts with a significant time penalty against much slower opponents and must overtake them all in the space of a single lap. Completing each set of missions earns the player a prize car.

A new Photo Mode is included in the game, which allows the player to control a virtual camera, taking pictures of their cars on the track or at specific locations, including the Grand Canyon. This game is able to produce a selection of screenshots with variable compression rate (Normal/Fine/SuperFine) and size (up to 1280x960 72dpi), and the user can choose to save or print to a supported USB device.

Compared with Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec, graphics are greatly improved with more detail on cars and tracks (despite running on the same PlayStation 2 hardware). The physics are also greatly improved, with the major upgrade that cars now experience body movement, such as pitching (forwards and backward rolling) under braking. Barriers have considerably more friction to slow down the cars in GT4 (in an attempt to stop the use of "wall riding"), but there is minimal friction between cars, so the advantage obtained by running into the side of another car (instead of braking) is still present. Each of the Driving Missions and Special Conditions events give a 5-second penalty for hitting the walls or opponents' cars in this way, where the car's speed is restricted to 50 km/h (31 mph) until the timer disappears when it reaches zero.

Prologue

Gran Turismo 4 Prologue (グランツーリスモ4 プロローグ) is a 2003 racing simulation game developed by Polyphony Digital and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 2. It is the fifth overall installment the Gran Turismo series. was released on December 4, 2003, in Japan and Southeast Asia, and May 26, 2004, in Europe. For undisclosed reasons, the game was not released in the North American market; however, a demo disc featuring Toyota Prius and Toyota MTRC concept car was available in the United States, either on requesting a Toyota Prius brochure online or by attending the Toyota stand at the 2004 New York International Auto Show, that features Gran Turismo 4 Prologue branding on the title screen. This short version title preceded the release of the full-length version Gran Turismo 4 in 2004 and was followed by Gran Turismo 5: Prologue in 2007.

In Japan, a limited "Signature Edition" featuring the signature of the series producer Kazunori Yamauchi on the front cover package preceded the release of the regular edition. The regular edition was also bundled with a white ceramic PlayStation 2 console in a Christmas limited SKU called "PlayStation Racing Pack" released in Japan on October 13, 2002.

In Europe, the game was bundled with a promotional "Making of DVD Video". While intended to be limited content, the DVD-Video was also included in the Platinum re-release. The DVD was later included in the limited Gran Turismo 4 "Special DVD Set" released in Japan on June 28, 2004. The regular edition was discontinued and the game was re-issued under Sony's 'Greatest Hits' line in Japan ("PlayStation 2 the Best") on August 5, 2004 and Europe ("Platinum"). As Gran Turismo 4 was intended to be released in time for the worldwide 2002/2003 Christmas release but was delayed, in consolation, Polyphony brought out Gran Turismo 4: Prologue as a sneak preview (including a documentary bonus disc in Europe) to the full experience of Gran Turismo 4.

Though it was necessary to limit the number of cars and courses included, this product still included some of the main features of the Gran Turismo franchise such as races, time attacks and license tests. The sneak preview also expressed the latest technology Polyphony Digital had accumulated over the past two years. Featuring 50 of GT4's then planned 500 cars as well as five courses, this expanded demo was designed as a stop-gap until the complete version was released.

The game includes a Driving School (License Tests) as well as early versions of some circuits, like the New York track which was modified in the full version. A new Gran Turismo official steering wheel, the Driving Force Pro known as GT Force Pro in Japan and supporting force feedback, was released by Logitech (Logicool in Japan) to coincide with the Gran Turismo 4 Prologue launch date. The European version came with several extra cars, most of them cars unveiled at the 2004 Geneva Motor Show, such as the BMW Concept M5 and the aforementioned Toyota MTRC.

Gran Turismo 4 Prologue has sold 1.4 million copies since its release.

Online version
Gran Turismo 4 Online Test Version (グランツーリスモ 4 オンライン実験バージョン) is a free 2006 PlayStation 2 game by Polyphony Digital. This is a limited edition of the 2004/2005 racing game Gran Turismo 4 featuring extra online services that were removed from the standard game due to some issues and a lack of time as the game had been delayed several times. Selecting the extra "Online" mode leads to the "Online Home" that features additional game modes, "Quick Race", "Tuned Car Race", "Private Race" (that requires a password) and "Time Attack". "News" inform about the availability for the online courses or special events, with limited date and time. Public online services ended on September 1, 2006.

This public beta for Gran Turismo 4 Online (GT4OL) was freely shipped to 4,700 selected gran-turismo.com members from Japan and 300 from South Korea to collaborate as "test players". Online services lasted three months from June 1 to September 1, 2006, and included 6-player "Competition" (対戦, taisen), Time Trial, chat (mail message and microphone communication), and an Internet ranking chart was available in the game's website. Nowadays it is possible to play it online again with alternate private servers.

This test was not intended to precede a Gran Turismo 4 Online full-scale release but instead to be used as a way to develop and test online features and structures for the upcoming Gran Turismo 5 on the PlayStation 3 system. Besides the 5,000 test players, seven special guests were invited to test Gran Turismo 4 Online. First, a special event named "Top Racer Battle" (トップレーサーBATTLE) was staged in the Polyphony Digital headquarters on August 17. Six drivers from the JGTC Japanese championship entered the game's online multiplayer "Competition" mode.

Motoyama won the test round, a 5-lap Fuji Speedway 2005 race with the drivers' respective JGTC GT500 cars. The actual Top Racer Battle though, a 10-lap Tsukuba Circuit one-make race on board a Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A '04, was won by Ryo Michigami. Later from August 25 to September 5, 2006, Kazunori Yamauchi the Gran Turismo series producer (re)invited two Japanese and two European professional racing drivers sponsored by PlayStation to enter GT4OL's Time Attack mode Internet ranking chart and, either to challenge him or another guest in a versus race, either to compete with five test drivers in an 8~10 rounds multiplayer online competition called "trophy".

The first guest was Super GT GT500 Nissan Motul Pitwork Z driver Satoshi Motoyama (Top Racer Battle challenger), he entered the dedicated "Motoyama Trophy", a 2-lap 10 races online multiplayer competition, and won three rounds. The second guest specially came from France, Sébastien Loeb, LeMans 2005 PlayStation Pescarolo C60 Judd LMP Race Car '04 driver and WRC champion, he set a new Time Attack Internet record on the 24 Hours of Le Mans' Circuit de la Sarthe I ("Loeb Special Attack") and defeated Kazunori Yamauchi in their Pescarolo Online Time Attack duel on the same circuit (Internet rank 10th vs 11th). The last guests were both Top Racer Battle challengers, one is Ryo Michigami, Super GT GT500 Honda Takata Dome NSX driver, the other is Michael Krumm, GT500 Nissan Motul Pitwork Z driver. They competed with each other in a versus battle then entered a special trophy similar to Motoyama's.

A separate online testing campaign, Gran Turismo 4 Online Public Beta, was also held in North America in 2006 for the now-defunct PlayStation Gamer Advisory Panel members, with the same intention and features as the Japanese online test.

Reception
Gran Turismo 4 received "generally favorable" reviews, according to review aggregator Metacritic.

Jeremy Clarkson, host of the Top Gear television program, performed a head-to-head test of real-life versus GT4 on an episode of the program. He ran Laguna Seca Raceway in real life and used an Acura NSX for a lap time of 1:57. But in the game, he used a Honda NSX-R (which is lighter) with a lap time of 1:41:148. Clarkson also had to be shown by a race driving instructor where the line was between the game and reality. He pointed out that adjusting one's braking mid-turn in a real car could cause loss of control, and also mentioned that in the game, he is compelled to take bigger risks than he would in real life, and that in the game, the car did not suffer from brake fade. Despite the apparent discrepancies, in a column for The Sunday Times, Clarkson gave the game a score of three stars out of five and had this to say about it:

I called Sony and asked it to send me a game chip already loaded with the 700 computer cars. And I am in a position to test out its claims because, unlike most people, I really have driven almost all of them in real life. There are mistakes. The BMW M3 CSL, for instance, brakes much better on the road than it does on the screen. And there's no way a Peugeot 106 could out drag a Fiat Punto off the line. But other than this, I’m struggling: they’ve even managed to accurately reflect the differences between a Mercedes SL 600 and the Mercedes SL 55, which is hard enough to do in real life. There's more, too. If you take a banked curve in the Bentley Le Mans car flat out, you’ll be fine. If you back off, even a little bit, you lose the aerodynamic grip and end up spinning. That's how it is. This game would only be more real if a big spike shot out of the screen and skewered your head every time you crashed. In fact, that's the only real drawback: that you can hit the barriers hard without ever damaging you or your car. Maybe they’re saving that for GT5. Perhaps it’ll be called Death or Glory.

Karl Brauer of edmunds.com performed a similar test, also at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, in which he and two others — professional race driver A. J. Allmendinger, and IGN gaming editor Justin Kaehler — set times in GT4 and real life in a variety of cars. Brauer's best time in a Ford GT in the game was 1:38, and his best time on the real track was 1:52. In the four vehicles the trio tested, none was able to duplicate his game times on the real track. Brauer suggested the main differences between the game and reality:

Which brings up the single biggest difference between reality and virtual reality — consequences. A mistake on Gran Turismo 4 costs me nothing more than a bad lap time. A mistake with a real exotic car on a real racetrack is... a bit more costly. The other major difference between virtual racing and the real thing is feedback from the car — or an almost total lack thereof. Yes, the force feedback steering wheel does its best to let you know when you're veering off the track, or sliding the rear end, but none of this comes close to the kind of information you get while driving a real vehicle. And in a car like the Ford GT, that's vital information.

Many reviewers criticized the game for its continued lack of rendered damage. Instead of actual damage, the cars (depending on the speed and angle in which the collision occurred) simply bounce or spin off of the car, wall, or obstacle. Reviewers complained of the continued ability to take unrealistic short cuts, such as the ones on Fuji Speedway 90's, Driving Park Beginner Course and Circuit de la Sarthe I, where the driver can cut right across the chicane, allowing a player to win by cheating. One reviewer also complained that the game's vehicles do not have enough grip. The game has also been criticized for lack of online play which had been promised during early development, but was announced as being removed at the time of release. Many reviewers expressed disappointment in the game's AI system, noting that "virtual racers will follow their (driving) line with little concern for where the human driver is at any one time". This is more evident during rally races and missions in which a 5-second speed penalty is given for hitting the other cars or the barriers, regardless of who initiated the contact. Some critics found B-Spec mode to offer little to the overall experience.

Non-video-game publications made some positive reception too. Sean Cunningham of Maxim gave the game a perfect ten and asked, "Is GT4 more fetish than game? Probably. But if this is a fetish, then put a leather hood on us and whip us till we bleed!" Jason Hill of The Sydney Morning Herald gave it all five stars and stated that the game's biggest strength "is the realistic handling. You feel every nuance of the car's movements, weight shifts, and suspension, particularly with a Driving Force Pro steering wheel. This is a peerless driving simulation that will test even professional drivers". Charles Herold of The New York Times gave it a positive review and stated that while the game "aims for realism, it occasionally falls short. Competitors drive like mindless automatons, seemingly unaware of your existence. Cars can take endless amounts of damage, allowing you to control your turns by bouncing off other cars like a pinball. If a track doesn't have walls, like one set in the Grand Canyon, then an invisible barrier prevents you from going off track". However, Jim Schaefer of Detroit Free Press gave it three stars out of four and stated that "GT Mode does a great job of organizing your choices on a large home map. You can leave your garage to race, or jump over to ogle new and used rides at domestic and foreign dealerships, take on special challenges and buy parts upgrades".

Awards

 * E3 2003 Game Critics Awards: Best Racing Game
 * IGN: 5th best PS2 game of all time

Sales
By February 2005, Gran Turismo 4 had sold more than 1 million units in Japan. By March 2005, Gran Turismo 4 had sold over 6 million units worldwide. Gran Turismo 4 received a "Double Platinum" sales award from the Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers Association (ELSPA), indicating sales of at least 600,000 copies in the United Kingdom. It sold more than 611,000 units in the United Kingdom by December 2005.

By March 2016, Gran Turismo 4 had shipped 1.27 million copies in Japan, 3.47 million in North America, 6.83 million in Europe, and 180,000 in Asia for a total of 11.76 million copies. It is the third highest-selling game in the Gran Turismo franchise, ahead of Gran Turismo, but behind Gran Turismo 5 and Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec.

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Talk:Gang Starr

Not "alternative"
There's nothing "alternative" about Gang Starr. They are rap in hits purest form. Obviously written by a backpacker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.14.181 (talk) 09:49, 5 February 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, i'll take that out, i was just adding to someone else's writing, and didn't really notice it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krackpipe (talk • contribs) 17:53, 16 April 2005 (UTC)

 * Huh? Excuse me, gangsta, but its exactly these "backpackers" that keep hiphop alive nowadays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.134.154.140 (talk) 22:09, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Are the above comments from three different people?? Sign your comments.. use some formatting PeterPartyOn 05:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

50 Cent
How did 50 Cent found Gang Starr in 1987, he would have been 12 years old.80.41.40.221 21:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

- Don't worry about it the article got changed seconds after i wrote my comment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.40.221 (talk) 21:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Context is unclear
The context of this quote is unclear: "If I confirm it, then it’s official. If I don’t confirm it, then we still together." Full quote including question:

"A while ago, you had said Gang Starr was on hiatus because of a situation with Virgin. But in an allhiphop.com interview, Guru said you guys weren’t working together at all anymore. Have you spoken to him about that?"

"Nah, but this is what I always say: Gang Starr is forever, number one. Neither of us can ever leave Gang Starr. He can’t leave and I can’t leave. And when the time is definitely right, no matter what he’s saying, there will be another album in effect. We don’t know when that time will be, but I will never confirm that we are broken up. And if I confirm it, then it’s official. If I don’t confirm it, then we still together. Believe that. That’s on the really real. Gang Starr is still together. Don’t let AllHipHop.com get you all messed up. It’s good."

The quote in the wikipedia article doesn't make clear what "it" is; whether this is the breaking up of the group, or the opposite.

Hotjellysnowman 20:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it
Can somebody please explain why I get warnings? First of all I deleted a links that doesn't exsists anymore, and I get a warning for that by some morron who put the links back in the info page...How stupid is that? Warning for help :s

Second, I made a whole new trackology page with every production of DJ Premier. I put it on the page with the other links and I get another warning that I can't put links for promotial use and so on. Wtf is this retarded person thinking? I put a lot of effort for the people who want to see wich tracks are produced by DJ Premier and he's thinking about addvertisments. Check this site, you won't find any commercial stuff, second, if you look at the info sheet you see that you can't make any money out of my site.

If I saw 'Kariteh' in front of me I would slap him in the face like he slap his girlfriend, that's for sure...I mean, how stupid is it...If you help wiki you get a warning, pure bullshit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.164.143.74 (talk) 13:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:GangStarrDailyOperation.jpg
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gurugangstarr.com sold?
http://www.gurugangstarr.com/ shows a domain parking site. 85.179.164.141 00:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

 * looks like his yugoslavian buddies didnt pay the fees on time :-) --Lcnhop 01:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism? Envy? Stupidity?
It seems the whole Gang Starr page contents have been replaced by 'Slum Brothers' information? There probably is a reason for this, but I am tempted to use the 'undo' option.

145.8.104.65 09:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Introducing untrue information to an article, or removing an article's entire contents and replacing it with something else, are pretty clear vandalism. I already reverted. Don't be afraid to be bold and revert -- we all have the button. :) spazure  (contribs) (review) 09:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, I don't find it coincidence that User:Reginald_dempsey is the name of the producer for some of the Slum Brothers' work. spazure  (contribs) (review) 09:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Right now I am using internet through a company proxy. I don't want to get my company involved in any problems. Would have 'undone' when I got home. 145.8.104.65 11:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Gang Starr songs in media
The song "Now you're mine" is featured in one of CSI: New York episodes (I don't know which one exactly). Song is played almost from its beginning, when camera is pointed at the NY building when from birds-eye view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.238.64.28 (talk) 10:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Moving Trivia to Talk Page
I'm moving the Use of Gang Starr songs in media section to this page. Please feel free to add these back to the article in a way that conforms to WP:TRIV. Here it is:

Several of Gang Starr's songs have been featured in video games. The first was "Just To Get A Rep" on Thrasher: Skate and Destroy, followed by "Mass Appeal" on Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4, "Moment of Truth" on Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2, "B.Y.S" on Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, "Now You're Mine" on Skate, "Code of the Streets" on 25 to Life, "Full Clip" on True Crime:NYC, "Who's Gonna Take The Weight" on Grand Theft Auto: IV, and "Step Into The Arena" in Skate 2.

The song "Above The Clouds" was featured in Steve Olson's part in Shorty's Skateboard video "Fulfill The Dream".

The song "Work" was featured on season 1 of the HBO original series, Entourage.

The song "Code of the Streets" was featured in the 2007 film Freedom Writers.

The song "Full Clip" is featured between show segments of The Jim Rome Show, a nationally syndicated sports talk show.

A portion of the song "Just to Get a Rep" is featured in an ESPN promotional ad for "ESPN College Gameday".

The song "Jazz Thing" is part of the soundtrack for Mo' Better Blues.

The song "Zonin'" is featured in the graffiti movie Stockholm Subway Stories.

In 1998 the group collaborated with fellow New York rappers M.O.P. on a track called "1/2 & 1/2" for the soundtrack to Blade.

The song "Full Clip" is featured in Josh Kalis' part of the skateboarding video, the DC Video.

A song by the group, "Battle" was used in the film 8 Mile in 2002.

"Above the Clouds" was used in the soundtrack for NBA 08.

"Just to Get a Rep" is slated to appear on DJ Hero and will be mashed up with I Want You Back by the Jackson 5. The songs are mixed by DJ Yoda

"Now You're Mine" is featured in CSI:NY "Heroes" episode.

Gobonobo T C 04:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleting the list of names
I'm going to delete the list of followers and list of influences. As far as I can tell, they just link to the allmusic mainpage and answers.com, the latter of which, as far as I can tell, is just Wikipedia + banner ads. Not only that, the list of followers and influences seems...incomplete at best and misguided at worst. It's DJ Premier--his record collection could fill a warehouse, and who hasn't been influenced by DJ Premier? Bobcat (talk) 17:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

kfc?
somebody get on this ignorant shit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.139.48 (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Death of GURU and Vandalism
I am not an editor, but with the recent death of GURU this page is getting vandalized repeatedly and needs to be edited and locked temporarily until the scene cools off a little bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.229.161.30 (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Details of guru's death
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TNkP4pH6-0&feature=player_embedded#! Guru's nephew speaks about his health status and Solar's attempts to insulate the ailing man from contact with his family]

Several members of Keith's family have released statements indicating that he never woke up from his coma. The myth that he did represents a subversive attempt by Solar to give legitimacy to his falsified letter. 137.22.112.224 (talk) 17:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

A Picture of Guru and D.J. Premier.
Can someone get a Picture of Guru and D.J. Premier? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesSax1999 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

forced?
"He forced DJ Premier to join Gang Starr..." huh? How did he "force" him? I think a little elaboration is in order, or this should be changed to something more neutral. 70.72.16.171 (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

More Context, Please!
I got drawn to this page to find out more about Gang Starr. I'm not 'into' hip-hop of this era in part because I was living far far far away from music and the internet in the 1980s and 1990s. So help out the newbies like me - what is so great about Gang Starr? How did they influence music? What were their innovations? What were some of the things about their music that makes you go "ah"? I know this is obvious to fans, but this isn't a fan page so help the rest of us out! Kagillogly (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Origin in Brooklyn
The article is not about the group that Guru formed in Boston, which was non-notable. He kept the name but made an entirely different group with Premier in Brooklyn a few years later. This is non-controversial and is covered here as a different iteration of the group, meaning the prior "Gang Starr" was a different group and hence not the subject of this article. Guru being from Massachusetts and Premier from Texas have nothing to do with their partnership having been formed in New York, which is the correct origin of them as a duo operating under this name. JesseRafe (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Change to years active, alongside changing information in the page.
Gang Starr released a single "Family and Loyalty" Today, on September 20th, 2019. From https://twitter.com/REALDJPREMIER/status/1175067597806678017. Also available on most music streaming platforms. This is produced by DJ Premier under the Gang Starr name as shown in the credits in most streaming platforms. With new music coming out, shouldn't the wikipedia page be in present tense when talking about Gang Starr, and their years active should be to 2019? Cha chingo (talk) 15:34, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Hi, and thank you for making an account (assuming this was the prior IP). But please note that releasing previously recorded material, especially from an artist long since deceased, does not make an artist or group still active. JesseRafe (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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Top quark condensate

In particle physics, the top quark condensate theory (or top condensation) is an alternative to the Standard Model fundamental Higgs field, where the Higgs boson is a composite field, composed of the top quark and its antiquark. The top quark-antiquark pairs are bound together by a new force called topcolor, analogous to the binding of Cooper pairs in a BCS superconductor, or mesons in the strong interactions. The top quark is very heavy, with a measured mass of approximately 174 GeV (comparable to the electroweak scale), and so its Yukawa coupling is of order unity, suggesting the possibility of strong coupling dynamics at high energy scales. This model attempts to explain how the electroweak scale may match the top quark mass.

History
The idea was described by Yoichiro Nambu and subsequently developed by Miransky, Tanabashi, and Yamawaki (1989) and William A. Bardeen, Christopher T. Hill, and Manfred Lindner (1990), who connected the theory to the renormalization group, and improved its predictions.

The renormalization group reveals that top quark condensation is fundamentally based upon the ‘infrared fixed point’ for the top quark Higgs-Yukawa coupling, proposed by Pendleton and Ross (1981). and Hill, The ‘infrared’ fixed point originally predicted that the top quark would be heavy, contrary to the prevailing view of the early 1980s. Indeed, the top quark was discovered in 1995 at the large mass of 174 GeV. The infrared-fixed point implies that it is strongly coupled to the Higgs boson at very high energies, corresponding to the Landau pole of the Higgs-Yukawa coupling. At this high scale a bound-state Higgs forms, and in the ‘infrared’, the coupling relaxes to its measured value of order unity by the renormalization group. The Standard Model renormalization group fixed point prediction is about 220 GeV, and the observed top mass is roughly 20% lower than this prediction. The simplest top condensation models are now ruled out by the LHC discovery of the Higgs boson at a mass scale of 125 GeV. However, extended versions of the theory, introducing more particles, can be consistent with the observed top quark and Higgs boson masses.

Future
The composite Higgs boson arises naturally in Topcolor models, that are extensions of the standard model using a new force analogous to quantum chromodynamics. To be natural, without excessive fine-tuning (i.e. to stabilize the Higgs mass from large radiative corrections), the theory requires new physics at a relatively low energy scale. Placing new physics at 10 TeV, for instance, the model predicts the top quark to be significantly heavier than observed (at about 600 GeV vs. 171 GeV). Top Seesaw models, also based upon Topcolor, circumvent this difficulty.

The predicted top quark mass comes into improved agreement with the fixed point if there are many additional Higgs scalars beyond the standard model. This may be indicating a rich spectroscopy of new composite Higgs fields at energy scales that can be probed with the LHC and its upgrades.

The general idea of a composite Higgs boson, connected in a fundamental way to the top quark, remains compelling, though the full details may not yet be understood.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zak Norlyn

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Zak Norlyn
...has been a member of not one, but two non-notable bands.

See also:
 * Votes for deletion/Shawn of the grateful dead
 * Votes for deletion/Streblo

--Zarquon 09:50, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable member of non-notable bands. Thryduulf 12:48, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable. Rje 13:32, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, no encyclopedic content here (could be a speedy). Wyss 21:40, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, artist vanity. Megan1967 02:57, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, does not meet WikiProject:Music's guidelines for inclusion. Tuf-Kat 16:59, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been in a handful of non-notable bands over the years. Can I have an article...?  No?  Darn.  Kidding aside, delete as band vanity. - Lucky 6.9 17:14, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * . . . and now, the subject of not one, but three votes for deletion. Delete.  Edeans 05:48, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:32, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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52 Pick-Up

52 Pick-Up is a 1986 American neo-noir crime film directed by John Frankenheimer and starring Roy Scheider, Ann-Margret, and Vanity. It is based on Elmore Leonard's 1974 novel of the same name, and is the second adaptation of it after The Ambassador (1984).

Plot
Harry Mitchell is a successful construction magnate living in Los Angeles, whose wife Barbara is running for city council. One day, Harry is confronted by three hooded blackmailers who demand $105,000 per year for a videotape of him and his mistress, a young stripper named Cini. Because of his wife's political aspirations, he cannot go to the police; however, guilt eventually drives him to confess, and she kicks him out of their bedroom. Harry's stubborn inclination is to not surrender to the threats, and when his lawyer advises him that the blackmailers will never leave him alone, he refuses to pay. The lead blackmailer breaks into Harry's house and steals Harry's gun and some items of his clothing. Later, the trio kidnap Harry and force him to watch a video of Cini being murdered with Harry's own gun. They demand $105,000 a year for the rest of Harry's life in exchange for their silence. Harry, however, vows to get revenge.

Using deduction and his business contacts, Harry tracks down and confronts Alan Raimy, the leader of the blackmailers and an amateur adult filmmaker. Knowing he has a background in accounting, Harry shows Raimy his financial records, which indicate that the majority of his wealth is tied up and he can't afford $105,000. Raimy agrees to accept Harry's offer of $52,000 instead, at least as a first payment.

Through Doreen, a stripper who was friends with Cini, Harry learns the names of the other blackmailers: the sociopathic Bobby Shy and the cowardly Leo. He first makes Raimy suspicious by suggesting Leo gave up his name; Bobby, realizing the truth, violently interrogates Doreen but believes her when she says she didn't give him away. That night he breaks into the Mitchell house and tries to kill Harry, but Harry and Barbara overpower him. Harry realizes Raimy kept the revised deal to himself and tells Bobby as much before letting him go.

Leo, cracking under the pressure, confesses everything to Harry, saying he never wanted to hurt Cini and that both her body and the videotape have been disposed of. He also warns him that Raimy and Bobby will kill him and Barbara after the payment is made, since he knows who they are. Bobby later confronts Leo, who is planning to leave town, and kills him. Meanwhile, Raimy kidnaps Barbara and sedates her with drugs, to ensure Harry delivers the $52,000. He lures Bobby and Doreen to a warehouse and kills both of them before going to meet Harry.

Harry exchanges the money for Barbara, telling Raimy that if anything happens to them, his lawyer will send Raimy's fingerprints (from the financial records) to the police. Raimy had previously expressed interest in Harry’s sports car, so Harry offers it as a getaway vehicle. When Raimy turns the ignition key the doors lock, trapping him inside; the car then explodes in a ball of fire.

Cast

 * Roy Scheider as Harry Mitchell
 * Ann-Margret as Barbara Mitchell
 * Vanity as Doreen
 * John Glover as Alan Raimy
 * Clarence Williams III as Robert Lee "Bobby" Shy
 * Lonny Chapman as Jim O'Boyle
 * Kelly Preston as Cynthia “Cini” Frazier
 * Robert Trebor as Leo Franks
 * Doug McClure as Mark Arveson
 * Tom Byron as Party Goer
 * Randy West as Party Goer
 * Ron Jeremy Hyatt as Party Goer
 * Amber Lynn as Party Goer
 * Sharon Mitchell as Party Goer
 * Jamie Gillis as Party Goer

Production
Tomorrow Entertainment first acquired the rights to Elmore Leonard's novel 52 Pick-Up in 1972 and planned to begin filming an adaptation on January 1, 1973. However, the film was placed in turnaround and eventually acquired by The Cannon Group, Inc. in 1974, whose co-chairmen Menahem Golan and Yoram Globus changed the setting from Detroit to Tel Aviv and the identity of the blackmail victims to the family of the U.S. Ambassador to Israel. This version of the film, The Ambassador, was released in 1984. After John Frankenheimer read the book, he obtained permission from Golan and Globus to direct a more faithful adaptation. Filming was originally going to begin on April 9, 1986, in Pittsburgh, which was meant to stand in for the novel's original setting of Detroit. However, the filming and setting was moved to Los Angeles in order to save budgetary costs. The Mitchells' home was filmed in Hancock Park, while other scenes were filmed in Vine Street and Santa Monica Boulevard.

Release
52 Pick-Up opened in New York and Los Angeles on November 7, 1986. The film was distributed by the Cannon Group. It debuted poorly at the box office.

Reception
Patrick Goldstein, writing in the Los Angeles Times, described the film as "a dull, plodding thriller that finds Mitchell in a deadly war with a trio of crazed blackmailers." On the other hand, Roger Ebert, writing in the Chicago Sun-Times, claimed it "provides us with the best, most reprehensible villain of the year and uses his vile charm as the starting point for a surprisingly good film. ... This is a well-crafted movie by a man who knows how to hook the audience with his story; it's Frankenheimer's best work in years." The New York Times film critic Janet Maslin described it as "fast-paced, lurid, exploitative and loaded with malevolent energy. John Frankenheimer, who directed, hasn't done anything this darkly entertaining since Black Sunday." Tom Milne (Monthly Film Bulletin) described the film as "enjoyable, up to a point, as anything Frankenheimer has done in recent years." while noting that the weakness in the film was that "the protagonist and his wife are much too sketchily realised"

On Rotten Tomatoes the film has an approval rating of 53% based on reviews from 17 critics.

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Talk:Spinosaurus

The snout
Please consider referencing: Romain Vullo, Ronan Allain, and Lionel Cavin. Convergent evolution of jaws between spinosaurid dinosaurs and pike conger eels. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 61 (4), 2016: 825-828 doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.4202/app.00284.2016

Incorrect David Hone
In 'Aquatic habits" David Hone links to Australian cricketer, not the paleontologist. 82.22.144.191 (talk) 22:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

 * ✅, Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Sereno not part of 2018 Morocco expedition
In 'Aquatic habits" it says "Studies of the tail, thanks to fossils recovered and analyzed by Ibrahim, Pierce, Lauder, and Sereno and colleagues in 2018..." but Sereno should not be included in that list. He was not part of that 2018 Morocco expedition (he was preparing for a Niger expedition the same year) or involved in the 2020 tail paper. Thanks! Slbaumgart (talk) 17:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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User talk:TheoClarke/Archive 005

Back to Theo's Archive Contents and Index

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Scrupulosity/Both Kinds

 * I did explain.

(1) It is absurd to deny that scrupulosity was a major factor. There came a time when few people received the Eucharist in either form, consecrated bread or wine.

(2) The question of whether one ought to receive Communion under one or both kinds is irrelevant to the article. What is relevant is the fact that the chalice was denied to the people. That fact, in turn, meant that baptized infants had no proper means to receive the Eucharist. Perhaps that would be a good idea for another article...

(3) The idea of restricting the Eucharist contrary to the Gospel is the problem. "Suffer the little children to come unto me..." Christ did not say Suffer the big children to come unto me... Nor did He say Suffer the smart children to come unto me... Unsigned at  02:47, 26 July 2005 by User:Sophroniscus

These things happen... --Sophroniscus 14:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your messages, Theo. I spend most of my Wikipedia time at the Terri Schiavo talk page, so words like "absurd" roll off my back, anyway!  I see from your user page that you've studied with Open University.  So have I.  Cheers.  Ann Heneghan 22:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Absurd?
You may be right. I know I sometimes say absurd things. One runs that risk whenever one opens one's mouth... --Sophroniscus 14:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I have my wife to remind me... --Sophroniscus 15:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hello.

I would just like to say tusen takk for copyediting the kammerlader article - you caught a lot of stuff that flew right under my radar. Again, thanks. WegianWarrior 06:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * In responce to your question... I got no username there (yet). But just tell me which article it is, and I'll be more than happy to return the favour. WegianWarrior 10:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Filiocht?
Hi Theo. Have you seen Filiocht's page? I was a bit shocked when I saw it today. Can you shed any light on why he might have decided to leave? If there is anything I can do to help I would very much like to. I've emailed him, hopefully he'll respond. I was enjoying quite a bit working with you and him on the Dante list. I'd be very sad if he has left the project permanently. Regards, Paul August ☎ 14:48, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

InShaneee's request at TINMC
I've tried to mediate between InShanee and Angie Y. but am completely unable to get any response out of her. Therefore Inshaneee is currently considering an RfC against her and he mentioned you had also had troubles with this user. Since I am primarily a mediator, I hate to have to take the next step, but seeing as Angie completely avoids any kind of interaction with me, I fear that might be the only way. Look here and here for conversations between me and Inshaneee. See here for my requests to Angie with no replies.

If you wish to discuss this issue, please leave a message on my talk page, and I'd like all discussion about this issue there. If you aren't interested, feel free to ignore me. :) Inter\Echo 09:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your offer of assistance. I've started posting diffs on the subpage in question, as she continues to make mountains of edits that need editing/outright reversion. They are more subtble than her fanfic posts, but they still need a lot of work, and she refuses to discuss anything. I fear I may have to go ahead with the RFC (despite your misgivings), as I am quite tired of all the work I have been putting into this conflict, and it's really starting to seem like I have no other choice (all optimism aside). --InShaneee 18:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't know if you've got that subpage watched, but if not, I've added a few more references, just to let you know. Despite the fact that things are continuing unabated, I do appreciate your help, as she does seem to be responding to you somewhat (a small start, I suppose), and this is taking some of the workload off of my tired shoulders. --InShaneee 02:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Added a few more problems. For my money, things aren't getting any better, she's just doing the same things in different places now. --InShaneee 03:01, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * 'sigh'. I know, I know. I need to watch what I'm saying. I apologize. I certainly do watch what I'm saying to Angie, don't get me wrong...and I am trying to keep a cool head about things. It's just, as I'm sure you can understand, incredibly frustrating. I shall try harder in the future though. And once again, I cannot thank you enough for your assistance. --InShaneee 16:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Now just a moment. That 'revert vandalism' wasn't written without thought or merit. First of all, if you take a look at the 'vandalism in progress' page, Angie made a note about Dvirgueza herself (innapropriatly placed though it is), and has also reverted several of his changes herself, indicating quite clearly that she HAS been following this debate. Second of all, the image doesn't belong there, since it's been established this user is clearly using copyrighted images, in general the people dealing with him are trying not to use any of them until the current investigation into their status can be concluded. --InShaneee 15:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow....that's a nice table there! You know...I know you agreed to help with this whole situation, but I'm finding myself surprised on a daily basis how dedicated you've been to helping out. This obviously isn't at an end yet, but I feel compelled to thank you once more for your continuing assistance. It's been a major load off of my shoulders. --InShaneee 16:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * My hat's off to you again. A little elbow grease, and we now have edit summaries. This should make finding issues a breeze for the both of us. Heck, I may have to look into this 'monobook.js' thingee myself, I had just thought it was something the Javascript Vandal played with. Either way, thank you once again. --InShaneee 01:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello again. Haven't heard from you in about a week, so I just wanted to check and see if you were taking a bit of a sabatical from this whole ordeal, or if I needed to take up the slack on my own again. --InShaneee 15:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Deguire
Hey Theo! Seeing as you're an admin, would you mind taking a look at Deguire and speedying it if you agree with me? It should have been deleted in May, but some crafty vandalism saved it. I just stumbled across it by chance a few minutes ago. All the best! --Scimitar parley 21:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

For the prompt service. ..
. . . as well as your excellent, ongoing contribution to Wikipedia, I, Lord Scimitar, occasional master of my user page, defender of not much actually, and King of my cubicle, grant you this barnstar. If you don't have one yet, you certainly deserve it.

"Virgil" to "Vergil"?
Hi Theo, User:Derek Ross has moved Virgil to Vergil and is changing to that speliing in lots of articles. In my experience "Virgil" is the much more common spelling. What is your experience? I've posted a comment on this at Talk:Vergil. If you have any thoughts on the matter you might want to join the discussion there. Thanks. Paul August ☎ 17:49, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Theo for joining the "Virgil" discussion, and making all those edits. And a special thanks for my shiny new ... er rusty old barnstar, I will display it proudly! Paul August ☎ 13:39, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Getting sucked back in
Hi there, after a period of about two weeks absence I have come back to wikipedia to find my username mentioned with accusations and personal attacks. The temptation was too strong, but I've decided not to respond to it any further. All i'm going to say is that when the RFC comes make sure it's done properly, he doesn't wiggle out of it and the outcome is worthwhile. I'll certainly sign it (along with about 25 other users) but I don't have the energy to contribute anything else. Keep up the good work. Jim Leonig Mig 14:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the problem is, the articles I most want to edit (Barnt Green, Lickey etc) are policed by him. If I make an edit on them, he always either revert it, or some other destrtuctive alteration a few hours later. It's horrible. The only reason I registered here was to make those articles, and I have a great deal of material to add to them. He knows this from discussion pages etc. I can't add it because it turns what should be a pleasurable activity into conflict. All I want now is to be left alone. Leonig Mig 10:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Wake me up...
Thanks I am encouraged to be more thorough in my edit summaries. lots of issues | leave me a message 07:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

References and Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
It's not a big issue, so I won't change it again, if you do. However, my changes were based on general use. IMDB is *very* often used as a source of facts in the article AND listed on "External links", not "References". Rarely are items double-listed. I think there's a "tendancy" to use "References" more as a type of academic/research backup for the "so included" reader. I understand your system of reasoning, but if applied universally, a massive number of articles (especially for celebs) would have to be changed.

Another issue: "External links" is valuable in warning the user, what's obvious to you or me, that the items are in fact external. If you only have one of the two, "External links" is best, since it is so obvious in terms of meaning. As a rule, any external links outside of the "External links" section, should be looked at with extra scrutiny. But, as I said, if you're just changing this article, it's no biggie to me. --rob 08:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I so …
… want to add this image and caption to the Dante list. Please restrain me. Paul August ☎ 20:49, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding .Keetoowah at Ward Churchill
Theo, I happened to notice your exchanges with User:Keetoowah at the Ward Churchill article. This user, User:Keetoowah, has been one of the most agressively obnoxious editors I've yet to encounter on Wikipedia. He's made this a personal campaign and if you check earlier versions of the article, you'll see how it has devolved into the current state. He's on a mission to do anything he can to keep the article as negative and POV against Churchill as possible. Several other editors have just pretty much given up on it. Anyway, I thought your points were well made and fair, but User:Keetoowah is just impossible to deal with. I'm suprised he's still lurking around and doing what he does without some action being taken, but there it is. Anyway, I've long since given up editing on that article largely becuase of him. I'm not suggesting you do, but the article is "his" and that's how it's going to be. Maybe in 10 years, assuming Wikipedia is still around, the article can be made into something more appropriate to the project. Good luck, Calicocat 06:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

INC Comments
Thanks, Theo. I'm trying to ignore Ironbrew's initial comments but I just couldn't pass on it the second time he did it--but still, I apologize for the sarcastic comment. Ealva 16:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Theo, the Pasugo article "Felix Y. Manalo and the Iglesia ni Cristo" is written by Isabelo T. Crisotomo in the May-June 1986 issue, Manalo's centennial. You can find the article in on of the reference in the Iglesia ni Cristo wiki article (an INC member's site) If you really need a scanned excerpt of the magazine, I could supply upon request. Ipso-Facto 08:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the "medicine"
But I've taken the liberty of changing your prescription a bit. Paul August ☎ 17:02, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Glad to have met you
Hi Theo, it was great talking to you on the way back from Wikimania ;-) Hope we'll see each other again at one of the planned meetups in London. Cheers, IulianU 21:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Chrisopher Rose
Who requested the deletion of this article? I'm technically the "author" so I'm curious about why you deleted it. Did the subject request that it be deleted? If so, is that really a criteria for deleting an article? --malathion talk 02:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ted Radcliffe
Hi, thanks for your message. There was one more 'Double Duty' reference in the Intro which I changed so I'm now in support of the FAC for this guy. I've already updated my vote. Lisiate 21:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

ASIN comment
My apologies for misrepresenting your view by moving the comment - I personally don't see the distinction between deleting ASINs and replacing them with something else, since replacement implies deletion of the original. However, maybe I should have stated this reasoning explicitly, as I did with Kaldari's comment. Perhaps you could reinsert your comment in the "neutral" section, with an explanation of why you consider this to be distinct from deletion - as I asked Kaldari, do you consider the ASINs a useful intermediate step for researching their replacements? Or is there some other reason you think deleting them without simultaneous replacement would be a bad thing? Again, sorry for any offence I caused by not making my reasoning more explicit. - IMSoP 23:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Func's RfA :)
Theo, thank you for your support on my RfA! :)

Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.

Func( t, c, e, ) 18:30, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

footnote tags
I am restoring the affected page now.

The page in question is one of over 100 that had links to a survey website that has been blacklisted, and in my haste to update them all I made a mistake. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 23:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Me again!
Hey, Theo, me again! If you have a minute, would you take a quick look at Jason Po-Tiger for me? I marked it to be speedied this morning (you'll see why if you read it), and it's been around since April, so I don't see why it needs to stay any longer. Thanks in advance. --Scimitar parley 22:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Just for you, I have returned my original baboon portrait to my user page, from which point it can maintain a constant vigil over this project. --Scimitar parley 14:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Escape from Cluster Prime article expansion
Can you create an article for Escape from Cluster Prime? I've only seen it once. --User:Angie Y.

Didn't realize... thanks!
Hi, I just wanted to thank you for correcting my error. I actually am new here, and the creation of the Push, Nevada page was my very first edit/creation (I really owe it to the extensive help guide for being such an excellent teacher). As for the lyrics, I had no idea that it was considered a breach of copyright to post them--I saw an incorrect version posted on Mike Teavee's page, so I thought I'd update it for the sake of accuracy. Well, learn something new everyday... again--thanks. Surprise of the Century 11:35, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Suggested apology
Hi Tony: Given User:Curps view that it was absurd of me to suggest that you apologise for blocking the inappropriate username, I wish to emphasise that I saw the blocking as an inappropriately hasty action but not as a malicious one. I think that you made a minor error: one of timing. Because it is now apparent that the user was malicious I believe that the suggested apology would not have been effective. And, I believe that the occasional error does not diminish the good work that you do. —Theo (Talk) 22:56, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for contacting me personally. It gives me a chance to set your mind at reat.

 * I didn't mind that you suggested an apology and I took the suggestion in good faith.

 * To me it was apparent that the username was very inappropriate and the user had been politely warned (perhaps too politely). The clock was ticking and the edit history was filling up with suggestions that a man physically attack a woman.  In my judgement that is not acceptable.  We're here to build an encyclopedia and things that impede that aren't welcome.

 * I know there are other ways of interpreting the situation, and that it could possibly be true that nobody would feel alienated from Wikipedia by the presence of usernames like that. However my final opinion was that the editor must know that the username was offensive, and must have known this when he created the username.  He was welcome to continue editing but not to continue using an offensive username.

 * I don't think it's fair to expect Wikipedia editors to watch a television program on a particular US network--we come from all over the place and most of us haven't been exposed to that particular show, nor would most of us know how to go about watching an episode, so there is no common basis of culture to appeal to so as to mitigate the shock value of that username.

 * The finding that it was actually (apparently--I don't know the details) some hitherto well known troll doesn't have any bearing on this case. We didn't know, and couldn't know, the identity of the editor in question, and there was no doubt in my mind that the editor did mean to contribute in good faith.  But I felt that it was right to block that username because it wouldn't stop him choosing a more appropriate name and continuing to edit. Well it turns out we were wrong on that but even so I think it's best to stop offensive usernames while inviting the editor in question to continue editing with a different name. --Tony Sidaway Talk  23:43, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

POTW
I think its about time a RFC was started against Pigsonthewing, see this his recent ploy of removing any slight criticism pretending it is a "personal atack" is IMO completely unnaceptable. I think a RFC is long long overdue. What do you think. G-Man 21:23, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: Retaining Source
Thank you for pointing out my edit on that article. I apologize for the mistake, as I very rarely deal with sources on Wikipedia, and I guess I learned it the hard way. Thanks again, and I will make sure not to remove sources again. --Evanwohrman 10:51, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Sad
Hi Theo. Have you seen this: User talk:Filiocht? Paul August ☎ 16:32, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Ok now you've made me buy music!
I happened to be looking at your user page, and one thing led to another, and now I'm listening to "Sweets for my Sweet" after having just purchased and downloaded The Very Best of … The Searchers from iTMS. Paul August ☎ 21:22, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Your comment on my userpage
Hello, Theo. I have responded to your comment on my userpage. I have no desire nor intent to create any animosity or discord at Wikipedia, but it becomes challenging to maintain my behaviour and composure when I'm surrounded by such nasty accusations and incivility. --Ironbrew 01:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Just checking!
Thanks for the confirmation. I was just a little concerned that I had more words in links than not :) Telsa 18:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Politeness
Contrary to what you wrote at User talk:Keetoowah, we are rewuired to be polite. Here is the policy that says this: Civility. Keetooah is currently the subject of a request for arbitration over his incivility. —Theo (Talk) 21:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh yes, I see :-) Thanks for the info. —kooo 08:33, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Sourcing requests/Dylan albums
Was there only the one I responded to, or are there others? I didn't notice the one I responded to before this week? Monicasdude 22:26, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Irritating behaviour by POTW
What do you think. I think the sort of stuff i'm adding to the wikipedia is of reasonable quality. Leonig Mig 18:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that his behaviour is inappropriate. I suggest that you help prepare User:G-Man/POTW RFC.  It needs a list of diffs showing Andy reverting aggressively. —Theo  (Talk) 18:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks, Theo. Really, really, really, thanks. I appreciate the thoughts a lot, and just hope I'll be able to live up to what you say I already am ;). It's people like you who make Wikipedia worthwhile, and not just for saying nice things about me, either ;).--Scimitar parley 14:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I just wanted to be unique, and I haven't seen anyone else use "parley". Not the best choice, perhaps, but the simplest and miost straightforward choice ("talk") was already taken, and being a baboon wasn't unique enough (I'm sure Terry Pratchett's orangutan is around here somewhere).

Journalsit
Im really sorry, I had no idea that the image would affect anything. You'll be glad to know that Ive taken it out. If you still have any concerns, feel free to let me know. Journalist   C.|'''Holla @ me!

Barnstar
Thank you! The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

And thanks from me to! Valiantis 13:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Please reconsider
Hello Theo. Would you please reconsider your support for Monicasdude in the RfC against him? Our paths haven't crossed, but I can see you are a top-notch contributor and I hope you would agree, were you to look over my contributions, that my first concern, like yours, is the excellence of the encyclopedia. The RfC does not seek extreme punishment of Mdude, as indeed he has done nothing to warrant such punishment. It will at the most attempt to block him from using the revert capability on the Dylan article for a few days so that I and other editors can get it into the condition it would have been in had Mdude not exerted a dictatorial control over it the last few months through excessive reverts. Your existing comments on the RfC make it clear you're aware of Mdude's unfortunate truculence, but his actions, I'm afraid, have gone beyond mere truculence or anything else having solely to do with attitude. If you were to carefully survey what has happened on the Dylan article you would see that his primary anti-wiki actions occurred back in early June when he took it upon himself to do a major, all-at-once, undiscussed overhaul to this article that had long been cited for excellence. I believe that sort of radical reworking, with no Talk activity, should never be done on a FA. I challenged him on this and asked him to work in a stepwise fashion that would satisfy all editors. He flat-out refused, using insulting language and making totally unfounded allegations of "personal abuse". Since then he has kept an iron-grip on the article which, as you have seen, has led other editors to sharply complain. Your support will only assist him in propping up the radical overhaul he never should have made and I sincerely ask you to either retract your support or re-word it so that the Arbitrators get a clear idea that even those sympathetic to Mdude concur he has at times gone over the line. Thank you. JDG 16:25, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

RfC on Monicasdude description
I suspect that I ultimately will not agree with some of your (mostly favorable) characterization of Monicasdude's editing behavior. But I do not mean for my own description to be unnecessarily off-putting.

 * I see the phrase "since he began editing on WP (under the user account in question)" as a veiled assertion that he is not new here (a suggestion, in effect, that he has lied).

In regard specifically to this comment, I do not mean to suggest any deceit by Monicasdude. No part of my complaint alleges any deceit. I do not know, one way or the other, whether he has edited under other accounts and/or anonymously; nor do I think that matters. I merely mean that the only contribution history I am able to examine is for the account "Monicasdude." If you can suggest a way of phrasing this within any negative suggestion, I will modify my description. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 23:02, 2005 August 29 (UTC)

Theo, please see LotLE's talk page for more on this issue. JDG 00:04, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Theo, since I removed the description that you thought was a "veiled assertion" of something negative, would you mind removing the complaint about it from your outside comment? I respect, even if disagree with, your basic characterization; but I don't want to have other readers get caught up in a minor issue that is now moot. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 17:05, 2005 August 30 (UTC)

Disinterested involvement
Getting involved in a controversial topic in which one has no stake is a important duty for Wikipedians, but often an unpleasant one. I appreciate your involvement in the CARM matter. The articles in this topic are certainly controversial, although most of the controversy seems to derive from a small number of users. I originally participated in a re-write of CARM as a result of "a call to help", but I increasingly have stepped back into the position of a (would-be) referee/moderator/editor. My overall impression of this dispute is that it is between two sets of individuals who already know each other and who have already used these arguments. Whether some are sock puppets or meatpuppets is hardly worth discerning since the effects have been the same. In general, some of the same sourcing-issues come up with other controversial websites. Very few webforums get meaningful coverage even in the web-based news sources, much less in print. Our existing guidelines call for treating other webforums as source very carefully, which makes it almost impossible to balance articles on webforums with differing perspectives. (there's a natural exemption of using a webforum a source about itself). That's a long term problem which I hope Wikipedia will somedy solve. In the short term, for this topic, do you think there's a way to arrive at consensus drafts with the engaged editors? Your thoughts are welcome. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:10, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Tossers?!
I called them losers, not tossers ... but the point is well made. I still don't always remember that people may take less than serious comments entirely seriously. I have changed it to 'crazies'! ;)

Also, does POTW have a history of going round reverting edits by people who have dared to contradict him? It's getting a little disconcerting now. Proto t c 15:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, yes, he does have such a history. See User:G-Man/POTW RFC. —Theo (Talk) 15:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Your comments
Just wanted to let you know that I have responded to your comments on Requests for bureaucratship/Andrevan2. Andre ( talk ) 00:55, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

POTW user page
Hi Theo, I have decided to suspend contributing to the project as I cannot seem to play nicely, and have great respect for the project. However I will not have the misrepresentative public comment left on POTW's user page. Please advise. Leonig Mig 19:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Is this abuse? He's got the front page locked. Have you got an email address? Ta. Leonig Mig 18:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

By the way, Theo, you might want to comment on this on WP:ANI. -- Phroziac (talk) 19:29, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

I think Emico's back
Check my comments at Talk:Iglesia_ni_Cristo--Ironbrew 22:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Theo, you may want to check out the userpage and contribs for. I think he created another sockpuppet acct. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 09:54, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
Hi, TheoClarke. I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to vote on my bureaucratship. Even though it didn't pass, I appreciate your feedback and I will try my best to keep your criticisms and suggestions in mind in the future. Andre ( talk ) 05:37, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Emico's at it again.
He's already posted under that pseudonym on the Talk:Eduardo_V._Manalo section and he's using it again to edit and circumvent rules. Judging by his use of "CoffeeBrew", I think he is trying to make fun of my name as well as Coffeemaker's. Now here he goes again with "Starbucks" further outlaying his supposed fetish with coffee-related names.--Ironbrew 08:27, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Starbucks

If this is him again (which is highly likely due to the similar writing style and similar POV), is it possible for you to extend the ban on Emico's main username until one year from the date of the Starbucks edit? I think he deserves at least that much for trying to circumvent the ban.

 * I've put a sockpuppet template to userpage. But It's up to theo to do the rest. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 22:48, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Theo:

Thanks for support in my recent RFB nomination. I'm now WP's newest bureaucrat. :) Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»=  19:16, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Meetup
Heya,

Just a quick note to remind you of the London Meetup this coming Sunday (the 11th of September) that you signed up for (as 'probable', so hopefully it's just a small push to get you to 'definite' ;-)). It's at the Archery Tavern, just next to Lancaster Gate tube station, from 13:00 (BST) onwards.

Looking forward to seeing you there.

Yours,

James F. (talk) 14:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Mediation
You're pretty knowledgable about the whole LM v POTW affair, do you think, if both Leonig Mig and POTW would agree, that mediation would actually be able to help? -- Joolz 18:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Admin support
I read your comments about the Mabbet/Mig dispute. If you want support from an admin, contact me. Help is here anytime you need it (well, except most weekends ;)). --Scimitar parley 23:25, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Emico or not Emico
Special:Contributions/160.36.8.109 The user at this IP address has tried pushing through blatant advocacy/POV of one man towards the INC, and deleted the criticism section earlier today. I think this user needs to be banned from this article.--Ironbrew 17:44, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Kammerlader
Hi. I applogies for 'spamming' your talkpage like this, but some time ago you was helpfull with comments on one of 'my' other articles on old Norwegian rifles and I wondered if you might be interested in helping out peer reviewing the article on the Kammerlader. Thank you for your time. WegianWarrior 11:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

If you have a moment
I've recorded some of my thoughts and ideas about problems within Wikipedia, and some possible solutions here. I'd like your thoughts, and whether or not you think I'm crazy. Thanks, Theo.--Scimitar parley 17:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

The devil made me do it
Hi Theo. Fil's parting shot has "caused" me to get more involved in the sorry Ed Poor affair than I wanted. My pursuit of "justice" has lead to this and now this. I was hoping you might be able to provide some perhaps much needed perspective. Am I being a ninny in all this? Paul August ☎ 18:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

P.S And by the way, before you take issue with my the devil made me do it excuse above, and start another rant about "taking responsibility for your own life … how nobody can make you do anything with speech or text … how establishing autonomy is a first step to self-actualisation …" I have to say, that not only did you make me buy music, you also made me buy Mirsky's Dante, Eros & Kabbalah — you devil!.

 * T h e e e e o ? … T h e e e e o? (where the heck is he? Is he lost? I hope he's just on vacation somewhere. But I have to admit I'm starting to worry …) Paul August ☎ 13:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've heard from someone who claims to be Theo, so I'm am now a little less worried. However I would like to see a valid ID, and some sign that he hasn't been kidnapped, and isn't now communicating under duress.

Mig/POTW
I was hoping to try and organise a mediation attempt between them, but I'm not going to be able to have the time to persue that idea, hopefully someone other than yourself might like to pick it up to give yourself a break from dealing with what's been a very long drawn out and complicated problem. Regards, Joolz 01:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The Independent
Gosh - fame! (You have to subscribe to see the rest of the article, but it looks like a copy of this.)

It is not entirely clear whether they are counting you as one of the "bespectacled missionaries" or as being merely "among" them; given that you are "preaching", presumably the former :) -- ALoan (Talk) 11:26, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The rumors of my death...
(The following was copied from my talk page. Paul August ☎ 15:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC))

Thank you for your concern. I was sucked away by the demands of paid work and The Ashes, successively. I then realised that I felt brighter without the daily dip into wikiconflict so I stayed away again. I am impressed with your contributions to the Ed Poor debate but I am not surprised that you felt them to be wasted. The realisation that such processes are time-consuming and ineffective is part of my disaffection with the project. I am now determined to focus on the rewarding aspects. —Theo (Talk) 21:11, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Glad to find that you are still among the living. And Fil is back too! I am still optimistic about our little wikicommunity. But when I retreat to just editing articles It is always a breath of fresh air. I've been enjoying thinking about Dante again. I recommend it. Oh and Fil is offering to make a nice cup of hot tea for anyone who drops by. Keep in touch. Paul August ☎ 01:19, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh and how do I know you aren't Theo's shade, communicating from beyond the grave? Paul August ☎ 15:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey Theo, I can sympathise. However, I have decided to give it one more try. Filiocht | The kettle's on 10:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

You too?
I know, I'm sick of all the garbage associated with this project, and I wonder if I have the neccessary patience to deal with some of the imbeciles who contribute here. . . and this is after I've been gone for a week. Anyways, if you need a hand with anything, let me know, although I'm not going to be here as often either. Those of us who actually act in good faith and have something to contribute need to stick together.--Scimitar parley 16:22, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Amen. Paul August ☎ 17:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Or, ya know, '"Right on'", whichever. Paul August ☎ 17:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

What are we going to do with these anon IPs emico(sic) are using?
Theo, I would like to call your attention to this talk page. It appears Emico, or someone who is acting on Emico's behalf is starting trouble between the Wikipedia community. I'm not comfortable with this, and I'm calling for your help. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 03:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * At this point, I really don't know what anybody can do to help this situation. I've sent that message out in frustration, as I'm getting very close to giving up on the INC article alltogether. As I said earlier in my talk page, I tried to be very lenient by editing Emico's posts instead of blatantly reverting them as I should, and all I get in return is a baseless sockpuppet accusation, which would make User:Marine_69-71 (a sysop who isn't involved with the INC article) seem like a sockpuppet of mine as well. I wish I could get the articles locked for a while. Also, to be fair to both sides of the issue, people are starting to round up evidence of Ironbrew being a sockpuppet of Onlytofind. Could you (have someone) look into that. I would like to get back to searching for sources for the article we have, instead of trying to end an edit-war between Ironbrew/Onlytofind(?) and Emico's sockpuppets. You may want to check out the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 09:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

potw
He's an asshole, screwing up everyone, so much I've deleted most of my work so as not to give him the pleasure of reverts and deletions. All he seems to do is revert and delete, That is his contribution. What a dickhead. Scott 02:52, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

User:Ironbrew and User:IMNOTEMICO
Hi, I see that you have been talking to or dealing with these users. I recently temporarily rv'd the sock puppet notices they posted on each others userpages and left a comment on ANI about it. It definately looks as though IMNOTEMICO is a sock of Emico, and they both basically edited that one INC article extensively. I would prefer it if an established user, and one that hasn't been in an edit war with them, post the sock puppet notice. I am not saying that Ironbrew is a bad user, but they have little edit history and mainly only on the same article. They were accused of being a sock of Onlytofind. Both users started editing after their accused socks stopped editing, within a short amount of time. If you have a chance, can you look further in to this. Thanks. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 21:14, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Keetoowah Arbitration case
Hello,

The Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Keetoowah. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Keetoowah/Evidence.

Yours,

James F. (talk) 19:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

POTW RFC
You probably want to see this: Requests for comment/Pigsonthewing. --Phroziac(talk) 04:09, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK meeting
Hi Theo, there will probably be a meeting for the purpose of discussing Wikimedia UK this Sunday, which you might like to attend. You could add your name there if so. Cormaggio @ 23:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikibreak
Enjoy your break, Theo. Few deserve it more.--Scimitar parley 15:42, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Final decision
The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Requests for arbitration/Keetoowah case. →Raul654 02:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

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