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Talk:Heteroscedasticity

ossible heteroskedasticity of residuals can be find by using White's Heteroskedasticity Test on data. Heteroskedasticity problem can be avoided using Weighted Least Squares (WLS)-regression instead of Ordinary Least Squares (OLS)-regression.
 * added, gtx, Frank1101 19:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

sources not named
White (1980).

 * Could you expand on this comment? I am not sure what you are getting at. --Richard Clegg 13:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

spelling
quote: (There seems to be no standard agreed-upon spelling for these words; they are sometimes spelled homo- or heteroscedastic or -schedastic, depending on location and personal taste.)

schedastic: I have never seen this, is this a valid spelling? I'm not a native speaker... Gtx, Frank1101 21:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

We think it is good to mention alternate spellings. But the second sentence seems more like an observation rather than fact, and doesn't add to the discussion at hand. Unless its deemed relevant or links to American vs. British spellings is warranted, this could probably be cut out.

Ref.: (In America, it is usually spelled homoscedastic. It is an exception to the rule that American spellings are usually more faithful to the etymologies than British spellings.)

I would like to draw your attention to McCulloch, J. H.: "On Heteros*edasticity", Econometrica, vol. 53, no. 2, March 1985, pp. 403. The author explores the linguistic aspects, and makes it very clear that "Heteroskedasticity is therefore the proper English spelling." -80.145.78.164 14:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * my econometrics book spells it heteroskedasticity as well 71.83.122.143 06:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't found the corresponding line yet but Peter Kennedy also made a clear statement and gives reliable sources in his book "A Guide to Econometrics" that "heteroskedasticity" with "k" is the correct spelling. -- MM-Stat (talk) 14:38, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

In Greene (5th, 6th, and 7th editions) and Wooldridge, and in statistical programs like Stata, R, and SAS, I have only seen it spelled heteroskedasticity 207.55.8.2 (talk) 20:53, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm looking at Greene 5th edition right now - it's spelled with "c". That said, every other book I can put my hands on right now (Wooldridge, Kennedy, Griffiths Hill & Judge, Cameron & Trivedi, Stock & Watson) spell it with a "k" except Greene and Gujarati & Porter. And both of those are newer editions of 25-year-old textbooks. DaveDixon (talk) 16:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Just saw the table of contents for the 7th edition on Greene's web page: still spelt with "c". DaveDixon (talk) 19:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * (unsigned contribution) Paper explaining the preferred spelling: http://www.ime.usp.br/~abe/lista/pdfZAptC9KazU.pdf ( end unsigned contribution) Note that this is the McCulloch, in Econometrica, referred to above. Melcombe (talk) 17:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

All my life in college and university, I have always encountered in books and myself used only "heterosKedasticity" - came today to this article and was totally surprised by the spelling...

merge
There's an article called heteroscedacity, which seems not a Yank-v-Brit difference, but a simple misspelling in any country. It seems a good bit less complete than this article, but maybe someone else would like to take a look to see if anything should be merged from it before it's redirected here. --Trovatore 07:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that spelling with a c is the incorrect version - it was certainly how I learned it. A literature search on PubMed for 'heteroscedastic' gives 82 results compared to only 10 for 'heteroskedastic', 'heteroscedasticity' gives 67 items whereas 'heteroskedasticity' gives 17. --84.12.32.134 18:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The issue isn't c or no c. The c-vs-k thing is a Yank/Brit difference and falls under the usual rules (since this isn't specific to a country or culture, the first article written gets to keep its spelling). The misspelling is "heteroscedacity" (ends in -acity when it should end in -asticity). --Trovatore 18:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Homoscedasticity exists, and is so spelt. Wikipedia is inconsistent, but this seems excessive. I prefer -sced- as the usual treatment of Greek names. Is there objection to moving this article? Septentrionalis 18:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * online link to that reference is here Justinc (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A search on scholar.google.com yields 109,000 hits for "heteroskedasticity" (2330 since 2015) versus 95,700 for "heteroscedasticity" (2220 since 2015). Not decisive, but far different from the PubMed result. DaveDixon (talk) 16:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Most of the links to here
Use the -k spelling. After years of statistics, this is the first place I've ever seen it spelled with a -c. Jarring, to say the least. 170.140.214.100 18:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

 * You haven't been around much. Michael Hardy (talk) 05:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Seriously use -k. I refer you again to the Econometrica publication by McCulloch. I am certain that trumps all of your other banter. Brit, Yank, whoever will certainly agree that Econometrica knows what it is talking about in regards to statistics.128.146.137.125 (talk) 19:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Improving the illustration
There is an illustration in the article showing an example of heteroscedasticity, and as someone new to the topic it would be helpful to my understanding if some (simple) formula for generating such a plot were provided in conjunction with the plotted output, along with the actual values of the variables along the x-axis (e.g. one colored line per variable, similarly colored in the formula). Similarly, the plot illustrated for homoscedasticity could be updated so that by comparison it's easy to see the difference in the variances of the variables affecting the output. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.203.104.2 (talk) 18:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

clarified statement of importance
i have reworded the second paragraph for clarity: heteroskedasticity is not a significant concern *of* regression analysis (that connotes regression analysis is principally used to study heteroskedasticity); "bad effect" means the statistical tests are uninterpretable (rather than incalculable); the tests are uninterpretable *because* the statistical distributions used to calculate the area probabilities may no longer apply. 67.142.161.19 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:01, 24 September 2011 (UTC).

Heteroskedasticity does not cause bias
The presence of heteroskedasticity in a dataset does not cause OLS estimators to be bias, only inefficient. Should be changed.

I have changed the entry because this comment is completly true: OLS is still (conditionally) unbiased, consistent and asintotically normal under heteroskedaticity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heteroskedasticity (talk • contribs) 02:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Rank correlation for testing heteroscedasticity?
On Feb 19th, 2010, somebody added the rank correlation as a test for chekcing heteroscedasticity. Anyone has any reference about how that is done? I am unable to find any such reference. Otherwise, I think this test should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samikrc (talk • contribs) 15:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

this page is far too specialized and unclear. Please revise 134.174.110.6 (talk) 17:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Clarification - check accuracy
The text used to read: "Most of the methods of detecting heteroscedasticity outlined above modified for use even when the data do not come from a normal distribution.". I changed it to " Most of the methods of detecting heteroscedasticity outlined above can be modified for use even when the data do not come from a normal distribution." - Please confirm that this is correct. --Slashme (talk) 13:59, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Etymology.
Could some editor add etymology. What (most likely Greek) words are etymons of this word?

Just noticed the info was there. I separated it in a section so that it looks similar to many other articles in Wikipedia.

Dr. Santos Silva's comment on this article
Dr. Santos Silva has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:

"The existence of heteroscedasticity is a major concern in the application of regression analysis, including the analysis of variance, as it can invalidate statistical tests of significance that assume that the modelling errors are uncorrelated and uniform—hence that their variances do not vary with the effects being modeled.

- "uncorrelated and uniform" is incorrect; it should be "uncorrelated and homoskedastic"

For instance, while the ordinary least squares estimator is still unbiased in the presence of heteroscedasticity, it is inefficient because the true variance and covariance are underestimated.

- "because the true variance and covariance are underestimated" is incorrect; it should be "For instance, while the ordinary least squares estimator is still unbiased in the presence of heteroscedasticity, it is inefficient and estimated covariance of the estimator is invalid."

Because heteroscedasticity concerns expectations of the second moment of the errors, its presence is referred to as misspecification of the second order.

- The paragraph above should be deleted.

In dealing with conditional expectations of Yt given Xt,

- This is wrong; it should be "In dealing with conditional distribution of Yt given Xt, "

is said to be heteroscedastic if the conditional variance of Yt given Xt, changes with t.

- This is wrong; it should be "changes with Xt"

- The rest of the article is not particularly good, but I did not find more glaring errors"

We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.

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 * Reference : J. M. C. Santos Silva & Silvana Tenreyro, 2009. "Further Simulation Evidence on the Performance of the Poisson Pseudo-Maximum Likelihood Estimator," CEP Discussion Papers dp0933, Centre for Economic Performance, LSE.

ExpertIdeasBot (talk) 11:03, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

 * I saw the mistake about the definition too and wondered if I'd forgotten my basic econometrics. The classic example of heteroskedasticity is when the variance of the disturbance term is bigger if the value of X is bigger.-- but in that case the variance *conditional on X*  is the same across all observations. See http://www3.wabash.edu/econometrics/EconometricsBook/chap19.htm .  I probably count as an expert too, as a PhD economist.
 * --editor3 04:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Reed's comment on this article
Dr. Reed has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:

"An omission under "Fixes" is to include the following reference: Wooldridge, J. Introductory Econometrics, Sixth Edition, Cengage Learning, 2016, pages 259-264."

We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.

We believe Dr. Reed has expertise on the topic of this article, since he has published relevant scholarly research:

 * Reference : Xiujian Chen & Shu Lin & W. Robert Reed, 2006. "A Monte Carlo Evaluation of the Efficiency of the PCSE Estimator," Working Papers in Economics 06/14, University of Canterbury, Department of Economics and Finance.

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Further reading and external links
The further reading and external link lists consist exclusively of material from econometrics. Development of those lists could include general statistics texts as well as representation of other fields that use regression or are otherwise concerned with heteroscedasticity. Mw011235 (talk) 01:19, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

You can't do hypothesis testing wit h the OLS estimator really, can you?
"This validates the use of hypothesis testing using OLS estimators and White's variance-covariance estimator under heteroscedasticity."

This seems wrong. If you use White's estimator, which is NOT OLS, you can do hypothesis testing, but not just with OLS, because you have biased standard errors. Right?editeur24 (talk) 02:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

 * While you're technically correct, it's an abuse of nomenclature. The ordinary least squares estimator solves the least squares problem. It doesn't make much sense to associate the name "OLS" with a variance-covariance matrix estimator. --bender235 (talk) 17:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Some rewriting might be helpful in the article. Here's my latest thinking. The OLS estimated coefficient is unbiased. The OLS standard errors are biased. The White standard errors are consistent, at least, so there's a good argument for using them. So you could use the OLS coefficient and the White standard errors and that is okay. Better yet, you could use the White variance matrix to estimate the coefficients too, and then you've done even better. But it's kind of strange to stop with just using OLS coefficients and White standard errors.
 * One thing that confuses me and will confuse non-expert readers even more is the difference between unbiasedness and consistency. They're both good, but they're different, and consistency only *really* applies to infinite samples. I don't remember: is the White variance estimate unbiased? Does it need a degrees of freedom correction to be unbiased? I'd more confidently guess that the White coefficient estimator is unbiased, since it just weights the observations-- right?--- but maybe I'm wrong on that. Or am I completely off base and there is no White coefficient estimator, just White standard errors? In any case, I hope some econometrician reads this and uses it as evidence of what a semi-sophisticated reader is wanting to get out of the article.editeur24 (talk) 16:00, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Merger
Homoscedasticity and Heteroscedasticity are simply reciprocals. fgnievinski (talk) 07:41, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Support. – Seems highly unlikely somebody would want to know about one without also knowing about the other. Since when you are testing if your data shows homoscedasticity you are implicitly checking whether it shows heteroscedasticity. Even for Type I and type II errors, which are not as directly reciprocal, we have a single page. Gazelle55 (talk) 19:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Support. - Agree with above. They are reciprocals and an average reader using the Wiki would want to know about both. Both pages are also relatively small so it shouldn't be two large of a merge. 114.110.37.224 (talk) 21:55, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Support. - The concepts are too intertwined, and are not separable; having two pages to describe them is redundant. I cannot imagine that that they will remain this way, or any conceivable rationale for opposing this merge.SpiralSource (talk) 10:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Support I think the ways that heteroscedasticity isn't simply reciprocal to homoscedasticity can get their own page (e.g. GARCH). Protonk (talk) 16:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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Zimbabwe at the 1988 Summer Olympics

Zimbabwe competed at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, South Korea. 29 competitors, 23 men and 6 women, took part in 38 events in 10 sports.

Competitors
The following is the list of number of competitors in the Games.

Archery
After not competing in the 1984 archery competition, Zimbabwe returned in 1988.

 * Men

 * Women

Athletics
Men's 400 metres
 * Elijah Nkala
 * Heat — 46.60 (→ did not advance)

Men's 10.000 metres
 * Stanley Mandebele
 * Heat — 29:50.99 (→ did not advance)

Men's Marathon
 * James Gombedza — 2"38.13 (→ 72nd place)

Women's Marathon
 * Linda Hunter — 2"53.17 (→ 55th place)

Cycling
Two male cyclists represented Zimbabwe in 1988.

Road

 * Men

Track

 * Time trial

Diving

 * Women

Sailing

 * Open

Shooting

 * Men

 * Mixed

Swimming

 * Men

 * Women

Tennis

 * Men

 * Women

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Bryan McCabe

Bryan McCabe (born June 8, 1975) is a Canadian former professional ice hockey defenceman who played in over 1,000 games in the National Hockey League (NHL) playing for the New York Islanders, Vancouver Canucks, Chicago Blackhawks, Toronto Maple Leafs, Florida Panthers and New York Rangers.

McCabe moved to Calgary, Alberta, at a young age and spent the majority of his minor hockey career playing in the Calgary area. Drafted out of the Western Hockey League (WHL) 40th overall by the New York Islanders in 1993, McCabe competed in the 1995 Memorial Cup and was named to back-to-back WHL first All-Star teams during his major junior career. He began his NHL career with the Islanders before stints with the Vancouver Canucks and Chicago Blackhawks. In 2000–01, McCabe began a seven-season tenure with the Toronto Maple Leafs, where he played the majority of his career.

Internationally, McCabe competed for Canada, winning gold medals at the 1997 World Championships, 1994 and 1995 World Junior Championships and the 1992 Pacific Cup. He is also a one-time Olympian, representing Canada at the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin.

Playing career
McCabe began playing junior hockey with the Medicine Hat Tigers of the Western Hockey League (WHL) in 1991–92. After one and a half seasons in Medicine Hat, he was traded to the Spokane Chiefs. He completed the 1992–93 season with 60 points in 60 games split between the Tigers and Chiefs. That summer, he was drafted 40th overall by the New York Islanders in the second round of the 1993 NHL Entry Draft.

Once drafted, he returned to the Chiefs in 1993–94 and put up a junior career-high 84 points in 64 games. In his fourth and final year of junior, he was traded to the Brandon Wheat Kings for the remaining 20 games of the 1994–95 season. He put up a total of 69 points in 62 games and was chosen as a first-team WHL All-Star.

In 1995–96, McCabe began his NHL career with the Islanders. He recorded 23 points in his rookie season before being traded to the Vancouver Canucks midway through his third year (along with Todd Bertuzzi and a third-round draft pick in 1998, used to select Jarkko Ruutu) in exchange for Trevor Linden. He played one-and-a-half seasons with the Canucks before being traded to the Chicago Blackhawks on the day of the 1999 NHL Entry Draft in a bid by Canucks general manager Brian Burke to draft Daniel and Henrik Sedin second and third overall, respectively. McCabe was packaged with Vancouver's first-round draft pick in 2000 in exchange for Chicago's first-round pick in 1999.

On October 2, 2000, after a 6-goal, 25-point campaign with the Blackhawks in 1999–2000, McCabe was traded once again to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Alexander Karpovtsev and a fourth-round pick (Vladimir Gusev) in the 2001 NHL Entry Draft. McCabe found his stride in Toronto and built on a 17-goal, 43-point breakout season in 2001–02 with 53 points two seasons later, culminating in a fourth-place finish in James Norris Memorial Trophy voting Second Team All-Star honours.

As NHL play was suspended due to the 2004–05 lockout, McCabe signed with HV71 of the Swedish Elitserien. He struggled with HV71 and exercised an escape clause in his contract before a game against Södertälje SK, where he was scheduled to be a healthy scratch. He had one goal, no assists, 30 penalty minutes and a –12 rating over ten games.

When NHL play resumed the following season, McCabe emerged with a career-high 19 goals, 49 assists and 68 points in 73 games with the Maple Leafs. He finished the season third overall in points among NHL defencemen, behind Nicklas Lidström and Sergei Zubov. Near the beginning of the season, McCabe was recognized as the NHL's Offensive Player of the Week for November 13–19, 2005, and was later named as a reserve on Team Canada's 2006 Winter Olympic team in Turin.

Following McCabe's career year, on June 28, 2006, he signed a five-year, $28.75 million contract extension with Toronto that included a no-movement clause. He scored 57 points in 82 games the following season.

In the dying seconds of overtime against the Buffalo Sabres on October 15, 2007, McCabe scored in his own net; the goal was credited to Paul Gaustad. McCabe was the focus of numerous trade rumours during the 2007–08 season, and on September 2, 2008, he was ultimately traded to the Florida Panthers (along with a fourth-round draft pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft) in exchange for defenceman Mike Van Ryn.

McCabe was named team captain of the Florida Panthers on September 23, 2009, and on November 6, 2009, he played in his 1,000th game in the NHL.

On February 26, 2011, McCabe was traded to the New York Rangers in exchange for forward Tim Kennedy and a third-round draft pick.

McCabe announced his retirement from the NHL on February 15, 2012.

International play
While in junior, McCabe was a member of three gold medal-winning Canadian teams, the first of which was at the 1992 Pacific Cup in Japan. The under-18 tournament was in just its second year of what is now known as the Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament. at the 1994 and 1995 World Junior Championships. In 1995, he was named to the tournament All-Star team and was honoured as Best Defenceman after posting 12 points in 7 games.

After joining the NHL, McCabe appeared in three consecutive World Championships, in 1997, 1998, and 1999, capturing gold in 1997.

On December 21, 2005, McCabe was named as a reserve for Canada at the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin. On February 2, 2006, he was moved from the reserves to the official roster to replace an injured Ed Jovanovski. Canada would fail to defend its 2002 Olympic gold medal and was eliminated by Russia in the quarter-finals.

Post-playing career
Since 2017, McCabe has been the director of player personnel with the Florida Panthers. He won his first championship ring when the Panthers won the Stanley Cup in 2024.

Awards and achievements
WHL
 * West second All-Star team – 1993
 * West first All-Star team – 1994
 * East first All-Star team – 1995
 * Memorial Cup All-Star team – 1995

International
 * World Junior All-Star team – 1995
 * World Junior Best Defenceman - 1995

NHL
 * Offensive Player of the Week - November 13–19, 2005
 * Second All-Star team – 2004
 * Stanley Cup Champion (as executive) — 2024

Personal life
McCabe met his wife Roberta, a native of Long Island, during his stint with the New York Islanders, and together they have two daughters one being Jocelyn McCabe and one son. They live in Delray Beach, Florida, and the family also has a home on Long Island.

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Talk:Krya Vrysi, Pella

Rename after VfD
Note for the admin closing the VfD discussion—this article should be renamed as Kria Vrissi (note capitalization). I didn't want to move it during VfD, but I'm afraid I'll forget to do it later. Cheers, --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 04:07, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the reminder! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

VfD
On April 23, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Votes for deletion/Kria vrissi for a record of the discussion. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Slavic name removed
There is a long time consensus between Bulgarians/Macedonian Slavs/Turks/Albanians/Greeks and everybody else in the Balkans for that matter that for all cities/places no name than the name in the native language will be in the first line unless there are exceptional historical or demographic circumstances (a propagandistic book is definitely NOT such a circumstance).--   Avg     02:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

See Naming conventions (geographic names), if there is any consensus as you describe it is contrary to WP's stated guidelines. I also recall certain editors who would cite to consensus to remove Greek names from Turkish geographical articles and those have remained. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 03:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Not in the first line. It can be mentioned in the article.--   Avg     04:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

 * So now that I've explained where we should put alternative names, any evidence that there has been any Slavic population in this village to justify the mention of the Slavic name? Otherwise it should be deleted altogether.--   Avg     05:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

 * In the meantime, I have changed "Macedonian" to "South Slavic", as the former has no special relevance here except for United Macedonia irredentists wishing to project an "ethnic Macedonian" identity onto any Slavic-speaking population that may have inhabited the region of Macedonia historically. The town, along with the rest of the region, was incorporated into Greece well before a specific "Macedonian" language came into existence in 1944. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 05:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

There is absolutely no reason for the Slavic name to be noted in this article. There are no Slavic inhabitants in Krya Vrysi, nor were there in the past in any significant amount. So, I am deleting the Slavic name reference and kindly ask not to be written again.--Polaralex (talk) 11:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Echoing Polaralex's comment, I would kindly ask PMK1 to provide any reference of a substantial Slavic presence in Krya Vrysi. Otherwise there is no reason for the Slavic name to be mentioned.--Avg (talk) 02:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

 * A misunderstanding. My apologies. PMK1 (talk) 05:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

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Monaco at the 1988 Summer Olympics

Monaco competed at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, South Korea. Nine competitors, eight men and one woman, took part in nine events in seven sports.

Competitors
The following is the list of number of competitors in the Games.

Archery

 * Men's individual
 * Gilles Cresto - preliminary round, 65th place

Cycling
One male cyclists represented Monaco in 1988.

 * Men's road race
 * Stéphane Operto

Fencing
One male fencer represented Monaco in 1988.

 * Men's sabre
 * Olivier Martini

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Talk:Ñetas

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MOST OF THESE PUEBLOS ARE FAKE, THEY DON'T KNOW THE TRUE HISTORY/PHILOSOPHY AND AREN'T EVEN IN CONTACT WITH P.R. LEADERS LIKE PUEBLOS ARE SUPPOSE TO BE. MOST OF THEM DON'T EVEN LIVE BY THE NORMS THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO LIVE BY. THEY ARE A DISGRACE TO TRUE NETA WARRIORS/PHILOSOPHERS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.165.215 (talk) 00:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC) I agree that it's quite POV, what is this anyway? A gang? - Stoph 04:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, it appears to be a gang. It is listed on this website as such ; specifically here .  In fact, it appears to be a fairly widespread, influential gang.  It's a definite keeper, but it needs a rewrite. - Jersyko 04:13, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

It is sad that ignorance has promoted the Ñetas as a gang. People should read and learn about what the Ñetas really are. It has transformed prisoners' rights in Puerto Rico and its members have fought for comunity rights. Granted some its members have made mistakes but it does not reflect the behaviour of all. Are all cops bad because some have committed acts of abvuse? Humilde

 * I assure you in Spain they ARE a gang, spain is not a country where you need protection or whatsoever because of existing other gangs, since gangs have been introduced really recently by inmigrants. By the way IRRIARTE is a basque lastname, what's the point of coming to spain and rape, murder and drug deal??????? just violent kids without a good ostia while kids.

I agree when Humidle says that ignorance has led people to believe the Ñetas are a gang.People every were not only hispanics should read to understand that Ñetas are nomore then a group of people who just want to live in peace and harmony ,again along with Humidle when he says some of its members have made mistakes BUT that DOES not mean that there bad people. To me the founder of the Ñetas was just like MARTIN LUTHER KING and should be reconized for his bravery ...................... harmony —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.195.53 (talk) 14:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Actual (October 5, 2008) leader page: http://www.facebook.com/inbox/#/profile.php?id=1187107865--Ankarloz (talk) 04:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC) Ñetas where the law back in the 80's not only in Oso Blanco but every project in Puerto Rico, and believe me there was more respect, know is way outta control. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.173.132.82 (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Footnote #13 has absolutely nothing to do with what that paragraph talks about
Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it. Someone studying gangs clearly used the WRONG link for this article and paragraph. 2600:6C64:6C7F:CA02:C0A1:C960:F1F6:9394 (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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September 2018
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Muse discography, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.  Ss  112   18:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Typing in an edit summary where you got it from does not suffice. The reference needs to actually be on the page. Besides, most editors are going to disagree with you if you try to say the Alternative Songs chart is more notable than the overall Hot 100, regardless of how many entries the band have on the former. Nobody said Billboard is not a reliable source; it's the fact that you didn't provide a reference on the actual article, only if editors click on the history can they read it. Also, if it took you half an hour to read a straight-forward page with all chart entries listed down it and add one simple column to a discography, I'm sorry, but that's very slow and your own fault. Nobody else's.  Ss   112   18:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep the conversation to one talk page. If somebody writes on your talk page, respond there. Don't go to theirs. A few things:
 * Nationality and age are irrelevant when it comes to understanding things. Don't bring up people's personal attributes, because this can be seen as an ad hominem personal attack and it's irrelevant concerning what content belongs on an online encyclopedia. You're speaking as if I can't handle a conversation or that I don't know what I'm talking about. I think I know what I'm talking about far more than you think I do.
 * I'm not a bloody "moderator". I think the term you're looking for, the term we use on Wikipedia, is "admin". You must be a newbie if you're going to run around here and assume people are "moderators" just because they revert you.
 * If you think the chart should be included in place of the Hot 100, great. Take it to the article talk page and get consensus per WP:CONSENSUS. Debating with me isn't going to achieve anything.  Ss  112   18:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What part of "reply on your own talk page" and "I'm not an admin" don't you get? Also, "I only know you clearly don't understand it" and "I think it speaks volumes about your motives, and how much you actually care about the quality of information on Wikipedia." Hahahaha. Whatever you say, buddy.  Ss  112   19:07, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I've never needed to get permission to edit a page before -- and shouldn't need it. My duty, as it is for any editor on Wikipedia, is to make edits that I think will improve the information on display to the world -- and my choice to replace Muse's Hot 100 entries with their Alternative Rock entries met that criteria. Yet you chose to trash my work anyway.

As I mentioned, my raising your Australian origins was a guess on why you don't understand my reasoning, which, to repeat it endlessly, is this: Muse is considered an ALTERNATIVE ROCK band here in America. Generally speaking, only alternative rock stations play their music (pop stations rarely do), which is why their entries on THAT chart are very important, while their presence on the Hot 100 are a minor footnote. I've mentioned this argument twice now, and you have yet to give a good rationaliztion for discarding my work.
 * You clearly didn't read any of what I said or linked to; probably barely skimmed it. The difference here is that WP:CONSENSUS says if you are reverted (which you were in this case), propose your changes on the talk page and get consensus to make them. You need to convince other editors that the Hot 100 is more important than a component alternative chart. Debating with me is not going to get you anywhere. Also, I "trashed your work"? Oh please. Your edits aren't sacred; nobody's are. Besides, you stated it took you 30 minutes to look at a page and add a column to an article, which is very basic stuff—clearly you work very slowly. It appears you've been editing since 2005 and you still don't fully understand a lot of basics of editing here. You don't get what I've tried to tell you (and you don't understand what an admin is and how I'm not one), and I have better things to do than trying to get through to newbies or those that act like them, so I won't be replying anymore. Later.  Ss  112   19:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

"Moderator", "admin", whatever -- the point is that you have the power to reverse people's edits. As such, you also have a responsibility to try to do it right -- something that, going by this conversation, it seem you have far less interest in than going on a power trip.

Again, this shouldn't have to reach the debate/discussion stage because there shouldn't even be a debate -- YOU are the problem here, and with every non-response you give, I'm more convinced it's because you just don't understand things (or won't admit your mistake). If you'd left my changes intact, I'll bet the vast majority of admins who live in America, and understand American song charts (and Muse's relationship to them), would have let my edits stand, just like the other 99% of the edits I've made over the years. This is the first time in 13+ years I've ever felt the need to dispute a change on Wikipedia, because it's my first time encountering an editor this thoughtless.

For the fourth time, I present my underlying rationale for my edit: Muse is considered an ALTERNATIVE ROCK band here in America. Generally speaking, only alternative rock stations play their music (pop stations rarely do), which is why their entries on THAT chart are very important, while their presence on the Hot 100 are a minor footnote.

So for the fourth time, do have any response of substance on why you think this reasoning was so wrong as to throw my contributions away? Or are you just going to dodge the issue forever?
 * Just a friendly fyi. Content disputes should ideally be discussed on the talk page of the article. This allows other interested editors an opportunity to join the conversation. Ss112 is not an admin, but he is a highly experienced editor. That doesn't mean he is always right but it does mean he has a lot of experience in this subject area (modern music) and has been editing in the subject for years. If he is citing policy and or guidelines chances are he knows what he is talking about. Anyone can revert edits, but we are encouraged to use discretion. See WP:BRD. In closing, I would like to welcome you to the project and thank you for your contributions. It can take a little time to get used to how everything works here. Hang in there... -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Ad Orientem: if anyone can revert edits, can anyone also revert a revert? If so, how can I do this? If he's not an admin, then there's no reason he should have the final say in this matter, especially since he isn't even willing to discuss the ideas behind either of our actions, which I have invited him to do, several times now.

Anyone who 1. dosen't seem to have enough experience/judgment/intelligence to make quality edits, and then 2. refuses to engage in discussion when his faulty reasoning is called out, shouldn't have the power to mess with someone else's contributions. Anyone who's intimiately familiar with the band Muse, and with American music, would know my edits were made in good faith, were the correct call, and should stand. I shouldn't have to go through the trouble of making them all over again.

I should probably just open up a dispute with Wikipedia adminisrators about this.
 * You can revert edits by clicking on the page history in the link at the top of the page. Then click on the diff of the edit you want to revert. It will give you options. Be very careful with reverting edits. Read WP:3RR first. Edit warring is considered disruptive. In general once an edit is challenged it should be sorted out on the article talk page. The only exceptions are cases of naked vandalism, copyright violations and serious WP:BLP violations. You may also read WP:DR for other tips on how to handle a content dispute. And for the record I am an admin though I am choosing to remain uninvolved in this issue. Which is to say that other than to offer some general advice I am not going to take sides here. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers, Ad Orientem. I went ahead and reverted his revert, because not only do I firmly believe my edits should stand (and it takes quite a bit of time to meticulously replace one chart with another, square by square), but all evidence points to this guy just not understanding the nuances of the American music market (he's an Australian), and thus making changes that are outside his league of knowledge. If this were a case of a clueless foreigner making a mistake and then owning up to it, that would be one thing. But after I pointed out the error in his reasoning and challenged him to explain himself, he mostly just dodged the issues, then went silent, instead of engaging in any discussion. That alone makes him an irresponsible editor.

If he undoes them again and this escalates into a dispute, I hope I can count on you to back me up. I've explained my rationale on why Muse's Alternative Rock chart entries are more important than their Hot 100 chart entries -- a point I think is so obvious, it frankly feels silly that this became a debate at all. FYI, I saw explicit requests on the Muse Talk page for someone to add their Alt Rock chart entries. I agreed it was a glaring omission -- that information is standard on the Wikipedia page of every band of this type -- so I went and provided exactly that!

My edits improved the page. It really comes down to that.

Update: he did re-reverse them, so now we have a dispute. Will you help moderate, or do I have to fill out a form?
 * First off you ignored most of what I wrote above. When edits are challenged the issue needs to be resolved on a talk page, preferably the article talk page so other editors who have an interest can see the discussion and join. Your assertions appear to be based on your own personal knowledge which is covered by WP:OR. This is a content dispute. It is not unusual and does require admin intervention. You need to follow the steps I have outlined. Open a discussion on the article talk page if one doen't already exist. I suggest you copy and paste this conversation to that discussion for background and wait to see what others think. We rely on WP:CONSENSUS for resolving disputes here. I strongly advise against any more reverting as that is likely to lead to accusations of Edit Warring, which is a no no around here. Also please don't post any more on Ss112's talk page. It's starting to annoy him and as already noted, repeatedly, this needs to be sorted out on the article talk page. Thank you for your cooperation. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Ad Orientem, which method would you recommend as the best initial step for filing a conduct dispute (aka grievance)? At this point, it's more that than a content dispute, and arbitration is apparently too high-level.
 * You have been given the steps above several times. Take it to the talk page per WP:BRD and WP:CONSENSUS. This needs to be discussed on the article talk page and then acted on as per the consensus formed.  ☕  Antiqueight  chatter 10:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Beginner's guide to dispute resolution
Hi CrunchyCookie. I used to run an Wikipedia "adoption" course for new users. While I don't have time to do so any more, all my lessons are still available. The one on dispute resolution might be helpful for you! WormTT(talk) 10:34, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but which one is the best starting point for a conduct dispute? The sub-page on mediation says it's not for that purpose (only content disputes), and arbitration is too high-level. I'm looking for an official ruling leading to a decision, not just "suggestions on how to resolve the situation", etc. CrunchyCookie (talk) 10:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You pretty much won't get anywhere until you at least try to resolve the situation. The other editor doesn't seem to have done anything worthy of arbitration or even warning.  ☕  Antiqueight  chatter 11:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you look at my course, it goes through in order on what you could do, from talk page discussion (which I think is a good place to discuss things because other people weigh in), to third opinion to even starting a request for comment. All are much lower level techniques for resolving disputes on Wikipedia. The fact is, you're not the first person to have a disagreement on Wikipedia and the community is getting very good at working out how to handle them. WormTT(talk) 11:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note to WTT: No other dispute resolution process (including the two you mentioned) can/should be initiated until the matter has been thoroughly discussed on the article's talkpage. CrunchyCookie has never posted on any article talkpage, and needs to be instructed to do that first. The reason they are in this situation is because they have never learned or been taught that that is what needs to happen. They need to get out of the litigious mindset and get into the civil articletalk discussion mindset. Softlavender (talk) 12:07, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No disagreement from me. It seems they only have the ability to read through the policies from bottom to top - trying the most drastic solution first. Discussion on the talk page is the next step. Noting that third opinion is designed to bring an additional voice to the talk page and RfC is designed to bring multiple voices to the talk page. It's all meant to happen at the talk page for the article. WormTT(talk) 12:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * CrunchyCookie, please read and follow WP:BRD, which is exactly the situation you are in. You need to work out the situation by civil, good-faith discussion on the article's talkpage, before you even contemplate doing anything else. You made a Bold edit, it was Reverted, and now you need to Discuss it on the article's talkpage (instead of edit-warring) until some sort of WP:CONSENSUS is reached. Do not edit-war, and do not attempt to make your points via edit summaries or on usertalk pages. Stay off of usertalk pages and noticeboards. Simply put forth your arguments in a polite and civil way on the article's talkpage, and let others respond to you. Wikipedia is a collaborative venture, and operates by consensus. It does not operate by what you personally think is right or best. It's painful to have your work reverted, but when you make any changes to a Wikipedia article, they are likely to be modified or reverted. When that happens, the next step is to discuss collaboratively on the article's talkpage. Softlavender (talk) 11:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

It's not that painful to have your work reverted. It's been done to my edits a few times, and even when I disagreed, never once felt the need to contest it, because all prior people gave a reason that seemed valid and well-meaning. That pattern died here.

To be sure, I did read your suggestion to use the Talk Page. It makes sense, and I'm not ignoring it. I just don't think a situation warrants being escalated to the next level until both parties have made an honest effort to resolve the issue at the current level (something Wikipedia's own pages recommend as a first step), and in this case, the other party has made none. To review: Ss112 made a revert on an ill-informed whim, then when I challenged his reasoning and explained my own, he responded with nothing beyond "if you don't like it, go post it on the Talk Page" (which in this context roughly translates to "I don't care, now piss off"). Setting aside the merits of his revert (or lack thereof), the fact that he refused to discuss it or take it seriously, makes it an act of bad faith, all by itself. An act of bad faith should not be recognized as valid.

Given that you're an admin who represents this site, I'm now curious if you agree that giving an actual response would have been the decent and responsible thing to do, even if it's not mandated by Wikipedia protocol.

If the point I've been making more recently hasn't been clear, the original debate about the revert is of secondary importance at this point. I would still like that resolved, but done so via the most proper (and productive) method: by getting this bad faith revert explicitly cancelled. Even if I went the Talk Page route and got results, there'd still be the larger issue of an inconsiderate troll going around messing with people's perfectly fine edits, then walking away without a care because Wikipedia's system put the burden on the other party. He even admits on his talk page that masses of users "develop grudges" (a diplomatic description) against him -- no mystery there -- and write a pre-emptive statement defending his pattern of reverting edits. His actions should be corrected, or at least discouraged.

So I'll ask again: given that arbitration is too high level, is there an ideal method for raising a dispute about his conduct with an official authority? Or is there zero chance of it being taken seriously? CrunchyCookie (talk) 07:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * CrunchyCookie, you're not getting it. You have not "made an honest effort to resolve the issue at the current level". To do that, you need to go to the article's talkpage and open a civil discussion. So far you've had at least 8 administrators and experienced editors tell you that, but you are not listening. -- Softlavender (talk) 07:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

You ignored the entire paragraph I just wrote explaining why I don't think it should come to that in the first place. The short version: a proper back-and-forth between the two parties should be exhausted, or at least tried, before taking it to the Talk Page stage. He should justify his action to me, not just make a revert and then walk off. CrunchyCookie (talk) 07:55, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No one is ignoring what you are saying. But you are saying why you don't think it should be this way - however that is the correct way to handle it in Wikipedia and the first step is going to the Talk page. If you continue to ignore it you are merely saying that you want everyone else to work as you want not as it is.   ☕  Antiqueight  chatter 08:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Nope. You haven't heard a thing that 8 administrators and other experienced editors have been repeatedly telling you. Stay off of usertalk pages. Always use the article's talkpage. Softlavender (talk) 08:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

"As you want" implies it's unreasonable of me to expect someone who's reverting my edits to engage in a discussion about it. You're essentially saying it's totally fine for anyone to revert someone else's work, without having any responsibility to even ATTEMPT to defend that stance when challenged. In other words, the requirements for demonstrating good faith are much looser on the part of the reverter. What a one-sided approach.

Again, if he'd made some effort to engage in conversation about the merits, I'd be more than happy to escalate things to the next level -- the Talk Page. But that engagement never happened. CrunchyCookie (talk) 08:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You are attempting to engage in a discussion in the wrong place. Taking it to the talk page OF THE ARTICLE is the correct place. It is totally fine for anyone to revert someone else's work. The challenge to that when you believe they should not have done so happens on the article talk page. You have not done that. You have gone to their user talk page and you have called them names. But you haven't done the first thing everyone here has told you is the correct next step. Just because you would like the next step to be a different one does not make it so. There is an established process for making changes. You don't have to like it but to be taken seriously you do need to follow it. You keep stating that if everyone did things the way you want you would be happy. But that isn't how the process works. It's not about what you think should happen. Multiple people have explained that. Let me quote from one of the pages suggested to you "Believing that you have a valid point does not confer upon you the right to act as though your point must be accepted by the community when you have been told that it is not accepted. The community's rejection of your idea is not proof that they have failed to hear you." Eventually people will stop trying to help you.  ☕  Antiqueight  chatter 08:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

If it is "totally fine for anyone to revert someone else's work" WITHOUT PROVIDING A REASON WHEN CHALLENGED (thereby demonstrating "good faith"), then again, that's incredibly one-sided.

On another note, it's a bit overwhelming to maintain four simultaneous conversations, so I'd prefer that Antiqueight and Softlavender disengage. Nothing personal, but I'd rather just hear from the admins, partly since they presumably speak for Wikipedia. CrunchyCookie (talk) 08:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * It's important to realise that the Talk page of an article is designed specifically for discussion of improvements to the article - it is meant to be the first step in the discussion phase, it allows any interested editors, especially the one who reverted you, to join in the discussion. What's more, it provides a history of the sorts of discussions that keep coming up, editors are able to see what has been decided in the past and why - and therefore base their discussion on that historical knowledge. By taking it to a personal talk page, that discussion history is lost. <b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">Worm</b>TT(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 08:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * (Butting in because I came across this at WP:RFAR) Just wanted to point out that the thought that admins presumably speak for Wikipedia is erroneous. Administrators have no power to rule over content. When it comes to content, they have no more authority than any other editor and using their tools in a content dispute can, and will, get them stripped of their administrator privileges. Blackmane (talk)

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Portugal at the 1988 Summer Olympics

Portugal competed at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, South Korea.

A dodadinal delegation of sixty four competitors participated in a new record number of fourteen sports. Portugal's only medal was its second Olympic gold ever, won by the Los Angeles 1984 women's marathon bronze medalist Rosa Mota who added the Olympic title to her European and World marathon titles. The future Olympic champion Fernanda Ribeiro debuted in the Olympics but didn't finish her participation.

The athletics hosted most of the Portuguese competitors' events, confirming this nation's great athletic potential at the Olympic level. Swimming events also registered a bigger amount than the usual. In its second Olympic archery competition, Portugal sent two men as well as its first female Olympic archer who established a new high ranking for a Portuguese archer at 37th.

Competitors
The following is the list of number of competitors in the Games.

Archery
Men's Individual Competition:
 * Carlos Reis
 * Open round — 1176 pts (→ 66th, did not advance)
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!Distance!!90m!!70m!!50m!!30m!!Total !Round 1
 * 256||284||292||334||1176
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 * Rui Santos
 * Open round — 1160 pts (→ 70th, did not advance)
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!Distance!!90m!!70m!!50m!!30m!!Total !Round 1
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Women's Individual Competition:
 * Ana Sousa
 * Open round — 1213 pts (→ 37th, did not advance)
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!Distance!!90m!!70m!!50m!!30m!!Total !Round 1
 * 283||303||295||332||1213
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Men's events
100m:
 * Luís Cunha
 * Round 1 (heat 11) — 10.80 (→ 5th, did not advance)

 * Pedro Agostinho
 * Round 1 (heat 6) — did not finish

200m:
 * Luís Barroso
 * Round 1 (heat 9) — 21.31 (→ 2nd)
 * Round 2 (heat 3) — 20.81 (→ 4th, did not advance)

 * Luís Cunha
 * Round 1 (heat 7) — 21.72 (→ 4th, did not advance)

400m:
 * Filipe Lomba
 * Round 1 (heat 2) — 47.57 (→ 5th, did not advance)

800m:
 * Álvaro Silva
 * Round 1 (heat 4) — 1:49.09 (→ 3rd)
 * Round 2 (heat 4) — 1:46.65 (→ 3rd)
 * Semi-final (heat 2) — 1:45.12 (→ 5th, did not advance)

 * António Abrantes
 * Round 1 (heat 3) — 1:49.01 (→ 4th, did not advance)

1,500m:
 * Mário Silva
 * Round 1 (heat 2) — 3:42.24 (→ 5th)
 * Final — 3:38.77 (→ 9th)

5,000m:
 * Domingos Castro
 * Round 1 (heat 1) — 13:47.91 (→ 4th)
 * Semi-final — 13:22.44 (→ 1st)
 * Final — 13:16.09 (→ 4th)

 * Fernando Couto
 * Round 1 (heat 2) — 13:58.72 (→ 8th, did not advance)

 * José Regalo
 * Round 1 (heat 3) — 13:43.59 (→ 9th)
 * Semi-final — 13:24.48 (→ 3rd)
 * Final — did not finish

10,000m:
 * António Pinto
 * Round 1 (heat 1) — 28:15.63 (→ 6th)
 * Final — 28:09.53 (→ 13th)

 * Dionísio Castro
 * Round 1 (heat 1) — did not finish

 * Ezequiel Canario
 * Round 1 (heat 2) — 28:43.02 (→ 9th, did not advance)

Marathon
 * Joaquim Silva — 2:18:05 (→ 27th)
 * Paulo Catarino — DNF

20 km Walk:
 * Hélder Oliveira — 1:27:39 (→ 39th)
 * José Pinto — 1:26:33 (→ 31st)
 * José Urbano — 1:24:56 (→ 29th)

50 km Walk:
 * José Pinto — 3:55:57 (→ 21st)

110m Hurdles:
 * João Lima
 * Round 1 (heat 5) — 14.73 (→ 6th, did not advance)

4 × 100 m Relay:
 * Arnaldo Abrantes, Luís Barroso, Pedro Agostinho and Pedro Curvelo
 * Round 1 (heat 4) — 39.61 (→ 3rd)
 * Semi-final (heat 2) — disqualified

4 × 400 m Relay:
 * Álvaro Silva, António Abrantes, Filipe Lomba and Paulo Curvelo
 * Round 1 (heat 2) — 3:07.75 (→ 3rd)
 * Semi-final (heat 1) — 3:07.75 (→ 7th, did not advance)

Long Jump:
 * José Leitão
 * Qualifying Round (group 1) — 6,99 (→ 15th, did not advance)
 * {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"

!Attempt!!width=20%|1!!width=20%|2!!width=20%|3 !Result
 * X||6,99||6,81
 * }

Triple Jump:
 * José Leitão
 * Qualifying Round (group 1) — 15,60 (→ 16th, did not advance)
 * {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"

!Attempt!!width=20%|1!!width=20%|2!!width=20%|3 !Result
 * 15,51||15,60||15,47
 * }

Women's events
3000m:
 * Fernanda Ribeiro
 * Round 1 (heat 1) — 9:05.92 (→ 13th, did not advance)

10000m:
 * Albertina Dias
 * Round 1 (heat 2) — 32:13.85 (→ 5th)
 * Final — 32:07.13 (→ 10th)

 * Albertina Machado
 * Round 1 (heat 1) — 31:52.04 (→ 7th)
 * Final — 32:02.13 (→ 9th)

Marathon:
 * Aurora Cunha — did not start
 * Conceição Ferreira — 2:34:23 (→ 20th)
 * Rosa Mota — 2:25:40 (→ [[Image:Med 1.png]] Gold Medal)

Sprint

 * Men

Equestrian
Men's Individual Jumping:
 * Manuel Malta da Costa — 33rd
 * {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"

!rowspan=2|Qualifying!!rowspan=2|Time!!colspan=3|Penalties!!rowspan=2|Pts!!rowspan=2|Rank !Obstacle!!Time!!Total !Round 1 !Round 2 !colspan=2|Total
 * 107.44||0||0.00||0.00||69.50||1st
 * 98.05||20||1.00||21.00||25.00||?
 * 20||1.00||21.00||94.50||26th
 * }

 * {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"

!rowspan=2|Final!!rowspan=2|Time!!colspan=3|Penalties!!rowspan=2|Rank !Obstacle!!Time!!Total !Round 1
 * 106.24||24||0.00||24.00||33rd
 * }

Fencing

 * Men's épée
 * José Bandeira — 67th
 * Round 1 (pool 15) — 5 matches, 1 victory (→ 5th, did not advance)
 * Cezary Siess (POL) (→ lost by 5:3)
 * Rafael Di Tella (ARG) (→ lost by 5:5)
 * Arwin Kardolus (NED) (→ lost by 5:3)
 * Arnd Schmitt (FRG) (→ lost by 5:1)
 * Alfredo Bogarin Arzamendia (PAR) (→ won by 5:3)

 * Óscar Pinto — 74th
 * Round 1 (pool 2) — 4 matches, 0 victories (→ 5th, did not advance)
 * Andre Kuhn (SUI) (→ lost by 5:3)
 * Roberto Lazzarini (BRA) (→ lost by 5:2)
 * Stéphane Ganeff (NED) (→ lost by 5:1)
 * Sandro Cuomo (ITA) (→ lost by 5:0)

 * Roberto Durão — 60th
 * Round 1 (pool 3) — 4 matches, 1 victory (→ 4th)
 * Jean Michel Henry (FRA) (→ lost by 5:1)
 * Robert Marx (USA) (→ won by 5:5)
 * Il-Hee Lee (KOR) (→ lost by 5:3)
 * Fernando Pena (ESP) (→ lost by 5:2)
 * Round 2 (pool 12) — 4 matches, 0 victories (→ 5th, did not advance)
 * Stephen Trevor (USA) (→ lost by 5:2)
 * Mauricio Rivas (COL) (→ lost by 5:2)
 * Johannes Nagele (AUT) (→ lost by 5:2)
 * Stefan Joos (BEL) (→ lost by 5:1)

 * Men's foil
 * José Bandeira — 55th
 * Round 1 (pool 12) — 5 matches, 1 victory (→ 5th, did not advance)
 * Andrea Borella (ITA) (→ lost by 5:2)
 * Shaopei Lao (CHN) (→ lost by 5:2)
 * Chung Man Lee (HKG) (→ won by 5:2)
 * Thierry Soumagne (BEL) (→ lost by 5:1)
 * Stephen Angers (CAN) (→ lost by 5:1)

Artistics
Men's Individual All-Round Competition:
 * Hélder Pinheiro — 109.600 pts (→ 85th)
 * {|class=wikitable style="text-align:center;"

!Round!!Floor!!Pomm. Horse!!Rings!!Vault!!Parallel Bars!!Horizontal Bar!!colspan=2|Total !Ia !Ib
 * colspan=9|Subdivision 1 (Group 4)
 * 9.300||9.450||8.700||8.800||9.200||9.200||54.650||rowspan=2|109.600
 * 9.200||9.600||9.250||9.150||9.400||8.350||54.950
 * }

Women's Individual All-Round Competition:
 * Sónia Moura — 83rd
 * {|class=wikitable style="text-align:center;"

!Round!!Vault!!Uneven Bars!!Balance Beam!!Floor!!colspan=2|Total !Ia !Ib
 * colspan=7|Subdivision 1 (Group 3)
 * 9.300||9.375||8.775||9.175||36.625||rowspan=2|73.025
 * 9.575||9.275||8.400||9.150||36.400
 * }

Rhythmics
Women's Individual All-Round Competition:
 * Patricia Jorge — 37.050 pts (→ 30th)
 * {|class=wikitable style="text-align:center;"

!Rope!!Hoop!!Clubs!!Ribbon!!Total
 * colspan=5|Preliminary Round
 * 9.350||9.100||9.200||9.400||37.050
 * }
 * }

Judo
Men's Extra Lightweight (–60 kg):
 * Renato Santos
 * Pool B
 * 1/32 finals — Bye
 * 1/16 finals — Carlos Sotillo (ESP) (→ won by kiken-gachi)
 * 1/8 finals — Zhang Guojun (CHN) (→ lost by yusei-gachi, did not advance)

 * Hugo Assunção
 * Pool A
 * 1/32 finals — James Sibenge (ZIM) (→ won by ippon)
 * 1/16 finals — Eugene McManus (IRL) (→ won by yusei-gachi)
 * 1/8 finals — Anders Dahlin (SWE) (→ lost by koka, did not advance)

Men's Half Middleweight (–78 kg):
 * Pedro Cristóvão
 * Pool A
 * 1/32 finals — Bye
 * 1/16 finals — Neil Adams (GBR) (→ lost by ippon, did not advance)

Women's Half Middleweight (–61 kg):
 * Teresa Gaspar
 * Pool B
 * 1/4 finals — Lynn Roethke (USA) (→ lost by yuko)
 * Repêchage — Boguslawa Olechnowicz (POL) (→ lost by ippon, did not advance)

Modern pentathlon
One male pentathlete represented Portugal in 1988.

Men's Individual Competition:
 * Manuel Barroso — 4844 pts (→ 34th)
 * {|class=wikitable style="text-align:center;"

!Event !Riding !Fencing !Swimming !Shooting !Cross-country !Total !Pts
 * 910
 * 677
 * 1236
 * 802
 * 1219
 * 4844
 * }

Men's Team Competition:
 * Manuel Barroso — 4844 pts (→ 22nd)

Sailing
Star:
 * Henrique Anjos and Patricio de Barros — 115 pts (→ 15th)
 * {|class=wikitable style="text-align:center;"

!Race!!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!rowspan=2|Total!!rowspan=2|Net !Place !Pts
 * 16th ||13th||8th||16th||14th||16th||12th
 * 22 ||19||14||22||20||22||18||137||115
 * }

Division II:
 * Luís Calico — 132 pts (→ 19th)
 * {|class=wikitable style="text-align:center;"

!Race!!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!rowspan=2|Total!!rowspan=2|Net !Place !Pts
 * 23rd|| 26th ||14th||15th||9th||23rd||12th
 * 29|| 32 ||20||21||15||29||18||164||132
 * }

Shooting
Men's 10m Air Pistol:
 * José Pena — did not start

Men's Trap:
 * Hélder Cavaco — 139 hits (→ 37th)
 * {|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"

!Round!!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!8!!Total !Hits
 * 25||21||24||23||24||22||–||–||139
 * }

 * João Rebelo — 190 hits (→ 18th)
 * {|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"

!Round!!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!8!!Total !Hits
 * 24||24||25||24||22||24||24||23||190
 * }

Men's Events
100m Breaststroke:
 * Alexandre Yokochi
 * Heats (heat 2) — 1:05.66 (→ 1st, did not advance – 40th overall)

200m Breaststroke:
 * Alexandre Yokochi
 * Heats (heat 6) — 2:17.87 (→ 5th)
 * Final B — 2:18.01 (→ 1st – 9th overall)

100m Butterfly:
 * Mabílio Albuquerque
 * Heats (heat 2) — 57.30 (→ 2nd, did not advance – 33rd overall)

 * Paulo Camacho
 * Heats (heat 3) — 57.62 (→ 4th, did not advance, 37th place)

200m Butterfly:
 * Diogo Madeira
 * Heats (heat 2) — 2:03.79 (→ 1st, did not advance – 26th overall)

 * João Santos
 * Heats (heat 2) — 2:04.74 (→ 2nd, did not advance – 29th overall)

50m Freestyle:
 * Paulo Trindade
 * Heats (heat 6) — 24.02 (→ 5th, did not advance – 31st overall)

 * Sérgio Esteves
 * Heats (heat 5) — 24.24 (→ 2nd, did not advance – 30th overall)

1500m Freestyle:
 * Artur Costa
 * Heats (heat 2) — 15:56.13 (→ 7th, did not advance – 30th overall)

200m Individual Medley:
 * Diogo Madeira
 * Heats (heat 4) — 2:10.21 (→ 2nd, did not advance – 28th overall)

400m Individual Medley:
 * Rui Borges
 * Heats (heat 2) — 4:30.79 (→ 3rd, did not advance – 22nd overall)

 * Diogo Madeira
 * Heats (heat 2) — 4:35.00 (→ 5th, did not advance – 26th overall)

4 × 100 m Freestyle Relay:
 * Mabílio Albuquerque, Henrique Villaret, Sérgio Esteves and Vasco Sousa
 * Heats (heat 1) — 3:33.31 (→ 5th, did not advance – 14th overall)

Women's Events
100m Butterfly:
 * Sandra Neves
 * Heats (heat 3) — 1:04.60 (→ 3rd, did not advance – 27th overall)

200m Butterfly:
 * Sandra Neves
 * Heats (heat 2) — 2:18.29 (→ 5th, did not advance – 18th overall)

Weightlifting
Men's Lightweight (–67,5 kg):
 * Paulo Duarte
 * Group C — 275,0 kg (→ 14th)
 * {|class=wikitable style="text-align:center;"

!rowspan=2|Event!!colspan=3|Attempt!!rowspan=2|Result !1!!2!!3 !Snatch !Clean & Jerk !colspan=4|Total
 * 120,0||125,0|| 127,5 ||125,0
 * 150,0|| 155,0 || 155,0 ||150,0
 * 275,0
 * }

Wrestling
Men's Greco-Roman Flyweight (–52 kg):
 * José Marques
 * Group B:
 * Round 1 — Pete Stjernberg (SWE) (→ lost by injury)
 * Round 2 — Jae-Suk Lee (KOR) (→ lost by injury; did not advance)

Officials

 * Celorico Moreira (chief of mission)

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Talk:UPX

VfD
On April 12, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Votes for deletion/UPX for a record of the discussion. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:11, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I would really wanted to understand why someone in his good senses nominated this article for deletion... Pretty stupid. Loudenvier 12:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

UPX lossy compression
I have found that a binary compiled with DJGPP, then run through UPX, then run through UPX -d, will come out significantly smaller (sometimes by a factor of five or more!). Obviously UPX is stripping some useless parts of the binary — maybe debugging symbols. Could someone add to the article a section on this use of UPX? --Quuxplusone 28 June 2005 23:49 (UTC)
 * It does indeed strip debugging symbols, but so will the  utility included with DJGPP. Nickptar 29 June 2005 01:47 (UTC)
 * Maybe your app is compiled with G++, which latest versions (for no good reason) add the .bss to the .data section ... or something like that, I forget. UPX does strip that off, though, when unpacking. Armslurp (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Do not tag this article for deletion again, please
There are some users who are tagging this article for deletion despite the consensus that it shouldn't be deleted. Please, refrain from adding it back. If you really think it should be delete, discuss it in this talk page, so a consensus could be reached. Regards. Loudenvier 17:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Misuse
Shouldn't the misuse section be removed?

The only link of "evidence" itself points to a 2006 newsgroup discussion by a random person questioning, who is then given several reasons why this could be completely innocent, including:

- The author of UPX sublicences the code and could well have sublicensed it to NEAD. - Decompression using a particular program doesn't mean that program was "stolen" in order to compress/decompress the data elsewhere. - There is no definitive proof at all that anything copyrightable has been used in the production of the NEAD program. - There is no official word from the authors themselves in that discussion or any other (since 2006!)

To my mind, that removes any and all credibility to the claims and at a minimum pours scorn on the veracity of the evidence in the article itself. It could be potentially problematic if NEAD decide that those claims are unfounded or incorrect.

--ledow (talk) 13:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Use of UPX in Stuxnet and Duqu?
It is remarkable that UPX was used in Duqu and Stuxnet, isn't it? 46.138.85.154 (talk) 20:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

UPX and antivirus software
I've removed the sentence about "most antivirus" flagging UPX as harmful. My own original research using virustotal.com says that between 1 and 5 products, out of 61 total flags UPX compressed executables. This is not "most". JensRex (talk) 03:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

FreeDOS uses DOS/EXE or DOS/SYS format, plus a custom stub
The article has a footnote specifying "The facility to compress DOS .COM-style files can be utilized also to compress other binary executable files. Some FreeDOS and EDR-DOS kernel files are known to be UPX-compressible this way."

This is wrong about the FreeDOS kernel in two ways. First, historically the format used was DOS/EXE, and it is still used for uncompressed kernel files larger than about 64 KiB. The other format used is DOS/SYS.

Second, it is a stretch to call the kernel "UPX-compressible" considering the lengths that the kernel build process goes to to utilise UPX. UPX does not exactly support operation on any DOS kernel executable formats. As concerns UPX it compresses a regular DOS executable, which the kernel's exeflat utility then relocates and gives an additional stub so that it allows running as a kernel file loaded to segment 60h (and also passing a CONFIG block and the boot load unit information to the kernel). 2A02:3036:D:C10:976B:BEB0:B96B:BA92 (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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Rudolf Charousek

Rudolf Charousek (Charousek Rezső; 19 September 1873 – 18 April 1900) was a Czech born Hungarian chess player. One of the top ten players in the world during the 1890s, he had a short career, dying at the age of 26 from tuberculosis. Reuben Fine wrote of him "Playing over his early games is like reading Keats's poetry: you cannot help feeling a grievous, oppressive sense of loss, of promise unfulfilled".

Charousek was born in Klein Lometz (modern Lomeček) near Prague, Bohemia. At the age of five weeks, his family moved to Debrecen, Hungary, where he became a naturalized Hungarian. They later moved to Miskolc where, at the age of 16, he learned to play chess. Studying law in Kassa, he is said to have copied out the voluminous Handbuch des Schachspiels by hand, unable to afford his own copy. Despite the lack of competition in Kassa, he soon became a strong player, and also qualified as a lawyer. In 1893 he entered a correspondence tournament organised by the Budapest newspaper Pesti Hirlap, in which he eventually shared first place with another up and coming Hungarian master, Géza Maróczy. He joined the Budapest chess club, where he frequently played with Maróczy and Gyula Makovetz, and convincingly defeated Gyozo Exner in a match.

Notable games
This is Charousek's last round win over the World Champion in his international tournament debut:

Charousek-Lasker, Nuremberg 1896

 * King's Gambit 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 d5 4.Bxd5 Qh4+ 5.Kf1 g5 6.Nf3 Qh5 7.h4 Bg7 8.Nc3 c6 9.Bc4 Bg4 10.d4 Nd7 11.Kf2 Bxf3 12.gxf3 O-O-O 13.hxg5 Qxg5 14.Ne2 Qe7 15.c3 Ne5 16.Qa4 Nxc4 17.Qxc4 Nf6 18.Bxf4 Nd7 19.Qa4 a6 20.Qa5 Nf8 21.Ng3 Ne6 22.Nf5 Qf8 23.Bg3 Rd7 24.Nxg7 Qxg7 25.Qe5 Qxe5 26.Bxe5 f6 27.Bxf6 Rf8 28.Rh6 Nf4 29.Ke3 Ng2+ 30.Kd2 Rdf7 31.e5 Nf4 32.Rah1 Rg8 33.c4 Ne6 34.Ke3 Nf8 35.d5 Rd7 36.e6 1-0

Another of Charousek's games, which Grandmaster Andrew Soltis described as "one of the prettiest ever", was the basis for the sty Last Round by Kester Svendsen, which Soltis called "perhaps the finest chess short story". Here is the game with punctuation marks by Soltis:

Charousek—Wollner, Kaschau 1893
 * Danish Gambit 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.Nf3 Bc5 6.Nxc3 d6 7.O-O O-O 8.Ng5 h6 9.Nxf7! Rxf7 10.e5 Ng4!? 11.e6 Qh4! 12.exf7+ Kf8 13.Bf4 Nxf2 14.Qe2 Ng4+ 15.Kh1 Bd7 16.Rae1 Nc6   (diagram) 17.Qe8+!! Rxe8 18.fxe8(Q)+ Bxe8 19.Bxd6 mate.

A variation of the Queen's Gambit Declined is named after him.

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Talk:The Mystery of the Blue Train

VfD
On April 12, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Votes for deletion/The Mystery of the Blue Train for a record of the discussion. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:12, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As the novel is the inspiration for the just released on TV film, perhaps the piece could be expanded slightly (eg reference to Josette Simon.

Jackiespeel 22:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Christie Mistake?
The article contains the following paragraph, as a section titled Christie Mistake. It is completely unsupported by any references and appears to consist entirely of original research and speculation. I've copied the full text of the section below: "Agatha Christie made a literary mistake, whether she'd known it or not, in the eleventh chapter when, after discovering the murder, a Compagnie International des Wagon-Lits conductor is questioned, and we are told his name is Pierre Michel. Pierre Michel, however, is also the name of the conductor in Murder on the Orient Express, another train, at the time, owned and operated by the Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits. Whether this is the same man or not is not revealed. Hercule Poirot, in Murder on the Orient Express, which was written six years after this book was written, does not express any change in temperament or reveal to us that he has met this man before when he meets Pierre Michel. We therefore assume Christie had forgotten she'd used the name previously, or that Hercule Poirot has forgotten this man, a completely uncharacteristic trait of the little, Belgian detective." Its supposedly noteworthy revelation of a mistake is based on the unfounded assumption that Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits could not have two different employees with the not uncommon name Pierre Michel working as conductors on different trains. In such a case, Poirot would not be expected to recognize a conductor he had not met before who simply happened to have the same unremarkable name as one he had met six years earlier.

Although the observation that Christie reused a minor character's name is interesting and possibly was a mistake of sorts, it is not particularly noteworthy. This section is not well written and, in my opinion, it adds nothing of value to the article.

I think this section should be removed completely. If there's been no objection posted here in a week or so, I'm going to remove it.--Jim10701 (talk) 23:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Jtomlin1uk (talk) 15:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Error in quoted blurb
'the story tells also how these strange and dramatic happenings effect the life of a quiet English girl'. I imagine 'effect' is a simple typo on the part of whoever added this, but I don't have access to the blurb in question so haven't changed it. Snugglepuss (talk) 08:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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Puerto Rico at the 1988 Summer Olympics

Puerto Rico competed at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, South Korea.

Competitors
The following is the list of number of competitors in the Games.

Archery
In the fourth time this U.S. territory competed in archery at the Olympics, Puerto Rico entered one man and one woman.

Women's Individual Competition:
 * Gloria Rosa — Preliminary Round (→ 54th place)

Men's Individual Competition:
 * Miguel Pedraza — Preliminary Round (→ 67th place)

Athletics
Men's 200 metres
 * Edgardo Guilbe

Men's 400 metres Hurdles
 * Domingo Cordero

Men's Long Jump
 * Raul Tejada
 * Qualification — NM (→ did not advance)

Men's Triple Jump
 * Ernesto Torres

Women's Long Jump
 * Madeline de Jesús

Men's tournament

 * Team roster

 * Group play

 * Quarterfinals

 * Classification round 5–8

 * Classification round 7/8

Boxing
Men's Light Flyweight (– 48 kg)
 * Luis Román Rolón
 * First Round — Bye
 * Second Round — Lost to Chatchai Sasakul (THA), 2:3

Men's Flyweight
 * Andy Agosto

Men's Bantamweight
 * Felipe Nieves

Men's Featherweight
 * Esteban Flores

Men's Lightweight
 * Héctor Arroyo

Men's Light-Welterweight
 * Víctor Pérez

Men's Welterweight
 * Lionel Ortíz

Men's Light-Middleweight
 * Rey Rivera

Men's Light-Heavyweight
 * Nelson Adams

Men's Super-Heavyweight
 * Harold Arroyo

Judo
Men's Extra-Lightweight
 * Luis Martínez

Men's Half-Lightweight
 * Víctor Rivera

Men's Lightweight
 * Angelo Ruiz

Men's Middleweight
 * Jorge Bonnet

Swimming
Men's 50m Freestyle
 * Manuel Guzmán
 * Heat — 23.61 (→ did not advance, 24th place)

Men's 100m Freestyle
 * Manuel Guzmán
 * Heat — 51.25 (→ did not advance, 24th place)

Men's 200m Freestyle
 * Salvador Vassallo
 * Heat — 1:53.82 (→ did not advance, 36th place)

Men's 400m Freestyle
 * Salvador Vassallo
 * Heat — 3:55.30
 * B-Final — 3:55.39 (→ 15th place)

Men's 100m Backstroke
 * Manuel Guzmán
 * Heat — 57.62 (→ did not advance, 24th place)
 * B-Final — 57.95 (→ 15th place)

Men's 400m Individual Medley
 * Salvador Vassallo
 * Heat — 4:30.37 (→ did not advance, 20th place)

Women's 200m Freestyle
 * Ritajean Garay
 * Heat — 2:07.44 (→ did not advance, 33rd place)

Women's 400m Freestyle
 * Ritajean Garay
 * Heat — 4:24.84 (→ did not advance, 28th place)

Women's 800m Freestyle
 * Ritajean Garay
 * Heat — 9:04.62 (→ did not advance, 27th place)

Women's 100m Backstroke
 * Ritajean Garay
 * Heat — 1:08.58 (→ did not advance, 31st place)

Women's 200m Backstroke
 * Ritajean Garay
 * Heat — 2:23.73 (→ did not advance, 24th place)

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Philippines at the 1988 Summer Olympics

The Philippines competed at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, South Korea. 31 competitors, 26 men and 5 women, took part in 40 events in 11 sports.

Competitors
The following is the list of number of competitors in the Games.

Archery
Men

Women

Cycling
Three male cyclists represented the Philippines in 1988.

Road
Men

Track
Time Trial Points races

Rowing
Qualification Legend: R=Repechage

Swimming

 * Men

 * Women

Weightlifting
Men's 54 kilograms
 * Gregorio Colonia

Men's 56 kilograms
 * Samuel Alegada

Men's 90 kilograms
 * Ramon Solis

Wrestling
Men's Greco Roman (– 52 kg)
 * Florentino Tirante

Men's Freestyle (– 52 kg)
 * Florentino Tirante

Men's Freestyle (– 60 kg)
 * Dean Manibog

Bowling
Arianne Cerdeña won the gold medal. Because bowling was a demonstration sport and not an official event, Cerdena's gold medal is not included in the medal tally.

Taekwondo
Men's Flyweight
 * Stephen Fernandez

Men's Lightweight
 * Monsour del Rosario

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Sasa (video game)

Sasa is an arcade video game released for the MSX1 in 1984, and later for the Family Computer as Astro Robo SASA (アストロロボSASA) in 1985.

This video game involved obtaining capsules with an 'E' on them, sometimes suspended by balloons. The main character could only use bullets to propel himself, and when the bullet count reaches 0, the game ends. A player can also lose bullets by colliding with an enemy, the other player, or the other player's bullets.

title: Sasa (video game)


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Ireland at the 1988 Summer Olympics

Ireland competed at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, South Korea. 61 competitors, 52 men and 9 women, took part in 47 events in 12 sports.

Competitors
The following is the list of number of competitors in the Games.

Archery
In Ireland's fourth appearance in archery competition at the Olympics, the nation was represented by two men and one woman.

Women's Individual Competition:
 * Pereira Greene — Preliminary Round (→ 38th place)

Men's Individual Competition:
 * Joseph Malone — Preliminary Round (→ 69th place)
 * Noel Lynch — Preliminary Round (→ 74th place)

Athletics
Men's Marathon
 * Dick Hooper
 * Final — 2"17.16 (→ 24th place)

 * John Woods
 * Final — 2"25.38 (→ 52nd place)

Men's 3.000m Steeplechase
 * Brendan Quinn
 * Heat — 8:40.87
 * Semi Final — 8:43.34 (→ did not advance)

Men's Hammer Throw
 * Connor McCullagh
 * Qualifying Heat — 68.66m (→ did not advance)

Men's Javelin Throw
 * Terry McHugh
 * Qualification — 76.46m (→ did not advance)

Men's Decathlon
 * Carlos O'Connell — 7310 points (→ 29th place)
 * 100 metres — 11.26s
 * Long Jump — 6.90m
 * Shot Put — 12.41m
 * High Jump — 1.88m
 * 400 metres — 48.24s
 * 110m Hurdles — 15.61s
 * Discus Throw — 38.02m
 * Pole Vault — 4.40m
 * Javelin Throw — 52.68m
 * 1.500 metres — 4:32.06s

Women's 3.000m Steeplechase
 * Anne Keenan-Buckley

Women's Marathon
 * Ailish Smyth
 * Final — 2"44.17 (→ 46th place)

 * Marie Murphy-Rollins
 * Final — 3"04.21 (→ 57th place)

Boxing
Men's Light Flyweight (– 48 kg)
 * Wayne McCullough
 * First Round — Bye
 * Second Round — Defeated Fred Mutuweta (Uganda), 5:0
 * Third Round — Lost to Scott Olsen (Canada), 0:5

Cycling
Five male cyclists represented Ireland in 1988.

 * Men's road race
 * Cormac McCann
 * John McQuaid
 * Paul McCormack

 * Men's team time trial
 * Philip Cassidy
 * Cormac McCann
 * John McQuaid
 * Stephen Spratt

Rowing
Men's Coxled Pairs
 * Pat McDonagh — 2nd in repechage (→ Unplaced)
 * Frank Moore — 2nd in repechage (→ Unplaced)
 * Liam Williams — 2nd in repechage (→ Unplaced)

Swimming
Men's 200m Freestyle
 * Stephen Cullen
 * Heat — 1:57.90 (→ did not advance, 50th place)

 * Richard Gheel
 * Heat — 2:01.73 (→ did not advance, 57th place)

Men's 100m Backstroke
 * Stephen Cullen
 * Heat — 58.82 (→ did not advance, 29th place)

 * Richard Gheel
 * Heat — 59.37 (→ did not advance, 36th place)

Men's 200m Backstroke
 * Richard Gheel
 * Heat — 2:05.71 (→ did not advance, 25th place)

 * Stephen Cullen
 * Heat — 2:06.98 (→ did not advance, 27th place)

Men's 100m Breaststroke
 * Gary O'Toole
 * Heat — 1:05.34 (→ did not advance, 34th place)

Men's 200m Breaststroke
 * Gary O'Toole
 * Heat — 2:18.93 (→ did not advance, 18th place)

Men's 200m Individual Medley
 * Gary O'Toole
 * Heat — 2:07.77 (→ did not advance, 20th place)

Women's 100m Backstroke
 * Michelle Smith
 * Heat — 1:06.22 (→ did not advance, 27th place)

 * Aileen Convery
 * Heat — 1:06.73 (→ did not advance, 29th place)

Women's 200m Backstroke
 * Michelle Smith
 * Heat — 2:19.50 (→ did not advance, 17th place)

 * Aileen Convery
 * Heat — 2:19.91 (→ did not advance, 18th place)

Women's 200m Individual Medley
 * Michelle Smith
 * Heat — 2:25.53 (→ did not advance, 26th place)

Women's 400m Individual Medley
 * Michelle Smith
 * Heat — 5:01.84 (→ did not advance, 25th place)

Tennis
Men's Doubles Competition
 * Owen Casey and Eoin Collins
 * First Round — Lost to Amos Mansdorf and Gilad Bloom (Israel) 2-6 6-7 6-4 5-7

title: Ireland at the 1988 Summer Olympics