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I deleted, again, the libelous contention that the paper printed a story about the sexual orientation of a candidate's wife. There is absolutely no proof, including the newspaper's own library of stories, that this ever happened. It not only libels the woman, but also the paper's publisher.

This site has been warned several times about the nature of the lie being printed. When it continues to be published it becomes an actionable libel ("intentional lies"), and I believe both the candidate's wife AND the publisher of the newspaper have a good case against the editors and operators of this site.
 * Legal threats, especially from anonymous users, are poor form. Are you an employee of the newspaper or its publisher? -Willmcw 20:27, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Here's how the newspaper's competition covered the controversy. The author is a former reporter of a rural Greensburg paper owned by Scaife. That probably should have been disclosed when he wrote the piece. www.post-gazette.com/pg/04067/281739.stm

 * See No legal threats. Continuing to violate the policies of this site may result in being blocked. Gamaliel 21:10, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Too many unsigned comments here - can folks get usernames already? Anyway, here's the column that was referenced in the link provded by an anon user: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_169770.html -Willmcw 20:17, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It goes to an article by Tom Randall that ran in 2003.

Randall is not, nor has he ever been, a columnist for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. He appeared only as an op-ed commentator, much as many prominent Democratic and Republican pundits are featured in the opinion section every Sunday. This is common not only to the two large Pittsburgh dailies, but every major newspaper in the country.

Randall is a policy analyst for the Capital Research organization in Washington, D.C.  His work can be found at www.capitalresearch.org/search/orgdisplay.asp?org=TIF100

I will continue to explain why printing "intentional lies" is tantamount to libel, in this case against both the politician's wife AND the publisher of the newspaper. I cannot be a plaintiff in this case, so do not consider this a legal threat. Rather, I am trying to explain why, professionally, I easily can say that printing the erroneous and unedited lie that the newspaper accused the wife of a political candidate of being a lesbian is libel.

Someone might continue to edit my words, but the facts don't change. Let's hope either the politician's wife or the owner of the newspaper never see that printed. unsigned comments from 147.72.93.199

 * "A few days after the Massachusetts Senator and his wife celebrated their second Christmas together, the Tribune-Review ran a column suggesting that Mr. Kerry had been enjoying a "very private" relationship with another woman. There was no byline on the story and no evidence to support the salacious insinuation. There was nothing to it, in fact, except pure malice." - New York Observer, August 2, 2004

 * Thank you for your legal advice, but this is not a forum for debating legal issues, and as such, further discussion of legal issues will be off-topic and may be removed. Gamaliel 23:47, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * To keep from just going back and forth, I've re-written the sentence to, I hope, more closely match the citations without losing the basic thrust. -Willmcw 00:59, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Unreferenced material posted by anon editors

 * In early 2005, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review posted a circulation of more than 221,000 subscribers across the region. It moved to consolidate all news editing, ad sales, regional reporting and investigative journalism in its Pittsburgh headquarters.

 * Editors reported that they would not only keep other newspapers in the chain as distinct journalistic outlets, but would increase local reporting to expand suburban marketshare over the Post-Gazette.

 * Since its founding more than a decade ago following a press strike at the two previously dominant dailies, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters have won a number of national, state and local awards while expanding its circulation and regional influence.

Here are some claims that are not supported by evidence or details. Can someone find supporting references? Which awards has the paper won? How do we judge its "expanding influence?" Where did the editors make these statements, and which editors are we talking about? Who, what, where, when..... -Willmcw 23:53, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

References: www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/business/s_295006.html

news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ep/20050121/en_bpiep/tribunereviewpaperstoconsolidatejobsinpittsburghoffice

A simple google search would have brought up the numerous awards. Here are some listed by the newspaper itself, pre-2002:

www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/news/s_105337.html

www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/4111151/detail.html

 * Thanks for providing these. Go ahead and match the references to the assertions and then we can post them back. I've already done that for the awards. (BTW, there's a help page that'll show you how to add URLs to pages: How to edit a page, also see these: Sign your posts on talk pages, Talk page, and Cite sources). Cheers, -Willmcw 02:24, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Columnist
Willmcw, you seem to have some kind of animus against this newspaper. Why would you cite the daily's decision to drop a columnist? Was that to make the paper seem racist? If you didn't know, the paper is in an exclusive Sunday distribution deal with the city's lone African-American weekly. The newspaper has won numerous awards for it's stories about racial justice, including landmark work by Mark Houser on discrimination against African-American jurors.

The Sunday opinion page is one of the largest in America. It has more liberal commentators than its competitor, which has a left-leaning section. Why not fault the paper for adding Mallard Fillmore, too?

As a Pittsburgh reader who was surprised to see so many oddities appearing about the paper and Scaife, I felt I should edit these entries for fairness.
 * Please place your comments at the at the end of the page, indent them appropriately, and sign them. -Willmcw 22:53, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

No, I do not have an animus. If you recall, I posted two awards that the paper receveid and then you deleted them, saying you'd replace them with newer ones. Please do not delete referenced material from the article. If you have a reference showing that the paper has more liberal commentators than its competitor then you can add that information too. Running a column by Samuel Francis is not quite the same things as running Mallard Fillmore. The news is not that they dropped him, but that they ran him. However, if you want to include a list of all the comic strips and commentators, then that's all the better. Cheers, -Willmcw 00:48, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dropping a columnist from an outside news outlet (he's not a Tribune-Review staffer) is not unusual. I counted the Sunday rolls and found 27 columnists -- about evenly divided between Conservative/Libertarian and left-leaning opinion makers and op-ed contributors, including Ramsey Clark. It seems you want to twist reality to make it something else, which is fine. I don't work for the newspaper. I'm just an informed reader. And I'll continue to delete the reference because it's snide and doesn't represent either the newspaper or the community it serves.

 * Thanks for adding your comment to the end of the page. It's also expected that you indent (using the colon ":") and sign (using four tildes "~") your remarks.

 * I don't know if you read any of the other comments posted here, but I you do you'll have seen that I previously written that the dropping of Francis is not the news -it's the fact that his columns were run to begin with. I've modified the paragraph to take the firing out of the lead, perhaps that will address your concerns. As mentioned before, if you want to write a paragraph, with verifiable information, about how the paper is actually liberal, then go for it. Also, I added some more information about the Poynter discussion that you posted. Quotes are better in context. I deleted the Jon Stewart quote because he doesn't work for the Trib-Review and so the only point just seems to be to besmirch Heinz, it doesn't tell us anything about the paper. -Willmcw 20:16, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You call it "news," but even a simple scan of Lexis-Nexis and the Internet shows that it wasn't a big deal. In fact, you seem to rely for most of your "news" on a discredited account of the paper penned by Arianna Huffington, a woman who sought high office in California as a progressive and a critic noted for her unverified attacks on conservatives. If Huffington's opinion of the newspaper is newsworthy, then you don't seem to know much about journalism.

You are the same person, by the way, you kept insisting that the newspaper called Heinz Kerry a "lesbian." This is libel under Pennsylvania law, but that didn't stop you. In fact, when called about it, you kept printing it!

Of course, your libel was OK because you "signed" a "name" to it. Quite frankly, at this point you don't seem to have much credibility.

Come to think of it, you haven't told "us anything about the paper" except half truths and outright intentional lies that would be actionable in this jurisdiction (good thing I work for the competition, and not the Tribune-Review. I had no duty to turn you in).

You speak of "context," but you don't really seem to understand the term of art, or to apply it with any distinction. This is a hatchet job on the newspaper, the man who owns it and the community who reads it. unsigned comments by 147.72.93.199

 * I'm not sure how to respond to this rant. If you look back on recent history, you'll see I helped move us towards finding what the actual allegations were, rather than simply deleting them. Please don't make vague threats. Is there anything libellous in the current draft? If there is, point it out. The Trib-Review is lucky to have someone like you working for the competition. Cheers, -Willmcw 21:52, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, and by the way...We may call unregistered users "anonymous", but that is actually a misnomer. IP numbers are anything but anonymous. Suffice it to say that it is likely that user:147.72.93.172/user:147.72.93.199 is probably not being accurate when he volunteers the information that he works for a competitor rather than for the Tribune Review. The real identity of individual editors here is nobody's business unless they start volunteering lies about it [in order to defend POV edits]. Please, our purpose here is to write a comprehensive article about a newspaper. Let's focus on that. Cheers, -Willmcw 02:30, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And practicing libel is a Wikipedia tactic? Fine. Maybe the internet community should begin to address the inherent problems of Wikipedia, and how uninformed "encyclopedia" pieces that violate libel law are "comprehensive."

Saying that a major American newspaper called a candidates wife is libel. It libels her, and it libels the paper. It's a baseless smear that was bandied about on this site for weeks. Rather than be ashamed of such behavior, you argue that, well, it libels no one now, so everything was OK. No, it's not OK.

I've forwarded this site to several journalism organizations so they can write about libel and lies in the age of cyberspace. Let the students tackle this as a learning experience. unsigned comments by 147.72.93.172

Yes, I'm sure journalism schools quickly integrate information into their curriculum sent to them by random people on the internet. A source for the information you have complained about has been provided. You have done nothing to dispute this source beyond making vague legal threats and generally acting in an uncivil manner. If you wish to be a genuine contributor, please act in a constructive manner instead of merely posting diatribes. Gamaliel 00:39, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Just on a lark, I went over to the Teresa Heinz entry in Wikipedia. Again, the libel that the Tribune-Review called her a "lesbian." Complete lie.  Again, it exposes everything that's wrong with this medium.  It's a shame that anyone would come here to find consensus on "truth" when lies like that can be published.  Shameful. unsigned comments by 147.72.93.172

Samuel Francis

 * Please stop deleting the Sam Francis reference. It is referenced, verifiable, and relevent. -Willmcw 20:48, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Again, you erred terribly. I went to the Tribune-Review's internet archives. Francis has not appeared there since late 2003, and he only arrived on occasion. He was part of a package of authors the newspaper gets, mostly for the Sunday opinion section, that comes from Creators Syndicate. See www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=sfr.

Some of the other authors carried by Creators, and reprinted by the Tribune-Review (and most other major newspapers), include Alexander Cockburn and Molly Ivins on the left, and Bill O'Reilly and John STosell on the right, and the cartoon Andy Capp in the pub.

All continue to appear in the Tribune-Review, except Francis.

The ONLY reference I could find that it was controversial to use a list of writers from Creators was from an article by Max Blumenthal that was part of an "Alternet" attempt to distract from the DNC fallout. Since you truly believe that Alternet made a shrewd judgement, you might be interested to know that the Tribune-Review quit using Francis completely in late 2003, nearly a year before the election and nine months before the Democratic primary.

The same "source" you reference called the Tribune-Review editor "the political wife-beater" for conservatives. Some source.

Blumenthal began the lie that the "Tribune-Review was the only newspaper in America which publishes columns" by Francis. Unfortunately, that wasn't true. The newspaper had not carried the columnist in months, and when it did it used him only for specific discussions about Republican politics.

You smear by being selective, and, moreover, not factual. Five minutes of cursory research could have turned this up.

Again, welcome to the failure of Wikipedia as a meaningful medium. unsigned comments by 147.72.93.172

 * Do you have a source for the fact that the Trib-Review stopped publishing Francis in 2003? Or the characterization that they "used him only for specific discussions about Republican politics"? Their archive does not have any mention of him at all that I can find so I cannot verify your assertions. Regarding sources, I have referenced the original article as it appeared on Vdare.com, and a reaction from the American Renaissance discussion page. We can add the refence from Blumenthal. While you may assert that Blumenthal is a liar, the rest of the other editors need proof. Also, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the election. Or with the list of Creators Syndicate writers. So far, you have not offered any citations that disprove what has been asserted in the original Francis paragraph. Naturally, if you can find other information then it should be added. Thanks for your cooperation. Cheers, -Willmcw 21:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * PS - here is another writer, Eric Alterman, asserting in August 2004 that the Trib-Review, was the only paper carrying Francis.
 * PPS I'm posting the disputed paragraph so we can work on it here, rather than reverting the main page.
 * The Tribune-Review was the only major paper to carry Sam Francis' columns, whom the Anti-Defamation League has long called a "white supremacist" and who was fired by the Washington Times in 1995 for his outspoken views on race. In 2004 the paper stopped carrying Sam Francis' columns following a piece in which he attacked implied miscegenation in a television ad. [ http://www.amren.com /mtnews/archives/2004/12/david_brock_pho.php#]
 * As I understand it, "Anon" asserts that the paper stopped publishing Francis prior to 2004 for reasons which obviously would not connect to the 2004 TV ad. We need a reference to show the date of the last Francis article to run. Three sources, Blumenthal, Huffington, and Alterman, all assert that the Trib-Review was still running the columns in mid-2004. -Willmcw 23:03, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I love how you "cite" three "sources" who all say the same story. All you have to do is go to the Tribune-Review online archives. You can clearly see disgruntled letters to the editor, running in late 2003 and early 2004, calling for the return of Sam Francis as a Creators contributor. It seems fairly obvious to anyone, but not you, that the paper therefore dropped the sometimes column as early as 2003, long before the Kerry issue arose.

Ironically, you don't note that Blumenthal, Huffington and Alterman all share the source material (work by Conanson and Blumenthal) that doesn't appear to be correct.

So you single out the Tribune-Review for refusing to run one author in the Creator's syndicate (archives show they run the rest), and that 22 newspapers continue to publish Francis. You don't mention them, because you haven't done your homework. Just as you continued to spread the libel that the newspaper called Heinz Kerry a "lesbian." You don't seem to understand that "sources" might have motivations (in this case, hack political screeds against a daily newspaper) beyond recording the simple truth.

Again, you have failed to simply put fact to page. Typical, as Heinz Kerry would say. Typical. unsigned comments from 147.72.93.172

By the way, Willm, your errors have simply been lack of research and poor sourcing. Galamiel (or whatever his/her name is) have been intentional and verge on tortiary libel. Attempts to mark them as "intentional lies" (a very real concept) have been unsuccessful. I have sought outside help on this when outright libel was presented. It's too bad that this medium is at the mercy of people like that.

 * I'd be happy to see the article changed to reflect verifiable information. Can you give us the reference for the 22 papers that also carry Francis? I checked the Pittsburgh Live archive and didn't find a single mention of Francis, but I was looking for him as a writer. I'll check again on his name as a topic. If you could help us in this project by providing sources and explaining your edits, then we can make this a better article. Attacking your fellow editors does not create a good editing atmosphere. Cheers, -Willmcw 21:01, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Dear "Anon", I did my homework and found a letter to the editor dated August 26, 2004 agreeing with Francis' column of August 10. . -Willmcw 21:31, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

He didn't get the column from the Tribune-Review. The column appears online. Every citation I found shows letters to the editor in late 2003 and early 2004 asking why the Trib dropped him. The paper copies of the newspaper show no column on August 10 featuring Sam Francis.

Since it was a column that appeared very rarely in the newspaper anyway, it's been difficult to find exactly when it was dropped. But it seems to have been discontinued in late 2003 or early 2004, with little fanfare, long before it became an issue for pundits after the DNC.

 * I'm not sure I understand - are you saying that the paper dropped Francis from its print edition, but kept running it in their online edition? If so, we can indicate that. I interpret those earlier letters as indications of not running particular columns. Unless the paper ran an announcement that they were dropping him, a newspaper reader might easily assume a columnist had been dropped if he did not appear regularly. Also, you had said his columns were only run "for specific discussions about Republican politics". Can you provide some context for that information? Are you thinking of a particular column? Thanks -Willmcw 20:53, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Creators carries the Francis column free of charge on its website. That seems to be what the reader was mentioning.

By the way, the "editors" again blew an easily fact-checked "fact." You said Carl Prine was convicted of trespassing. You forgot (intentionally?) that he was found completely innocent on appeal. In Pennsylvania, District Magistrates can't really "convict" anyone. They're not even lawyers. All charges of a summary nature can be heard in a real court of law (Common Pleas in Allegheny County). There, his charges were brushed aside.

www.pittsburghlive.com/pages/pdf/ptr030404.pdf

Yeah, that would have been hard to check.

 * No, the article never said they were convicted. It said they were fined, which is what they source article said. Now maybe those fines were dismissed. That's great. I've added the sentence back, but dropped the "fine." Thanks for finding that additional resource. Cheers, -Willmcw 22:13, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Francis article, I do not believe that the Trib-Review would print an LTE about a column that they do not carry. You offered LTE's as proof that Francis was stopped in 2003, now you ought to accept an LTE as proof that the column was carried in 2004. There is no indication in the letter itself that the writier is referring to an online article she read on a non-Trib-Review website. So there are several sources that talk about Francis' column being carried in 2004, and no sources that show he was dropped previously. -Willmcw 22:19, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I believe that until we can say exactly when it was dropped, we should stay away from it, especially since there is no record of its existence after 2003 except a lone letter to the editor. Another letter in July of 2004, for example, uses the Francis name without the editor's reference at all to any of the writer's columns.

www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/s_82740.html

In fact, the only outside references to the entire issue seem to come from the same source, Max Blumenthal, albeit one reprinted on the Internet many times.

http://carapace.weblogs.us/archives/016213.html

It seems Blumenthal got it wrong.

The last Francis article I can find in the Trib never appeared online and was published on March 2, 2004. The only one I can find before that appeared on June 25, 2003, and there's an online record of that: www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/s_141477.html

So, while he "appeared" in the Tribune-Review, he seems to have surfaced once a year, and was never printed again after March 2, 2004. -unsigned by 147.72.93.199 00:28, Feb 17, 2005

STUFF ABOUT PRINE
After editing the business about Heinz Kerry, the more I dug up about Prine, the more I realized how unfair the accusation from the Philadelphia Weekly (the only source making the claim) was about his involvement in it.

I've cut it from the main board, but we can discuss whether it should be included or not. It seems like a dead end, and the vast majority of the evidence seems to point to the fact that Prine is a pretty damned good newsman, and a liberal:

The Tribune-Review's environmental and investigative reporter Prine also had written a piece mentioning that Heinz and nearly 2,000 other landowners were receiving farmland property tax reductions, but never suggested she did so knowingly. Instead, the stories blamed lax enforcement by county officials and botched work by hired contractors for numerous mistakes in thousands of property assessments that hurt the environment, not helped it.

Prine, considered a liberal journalist within the Pittsburgh news community by many colleagues, was praised by Kerry's campaign for work that aided their attacks on President George W. Bush and his stories continue to be employed by the Democratic leadership  and left-wing outlets, including The Nation, which has lauded his probes into coal mine safety  and chemical plant security.

Prine's investigations featured prominently in Robert F. Kennedy's damning assault on the GOP's environmental record, "Crimes Against Nature : How George W. Bush and His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our Democracy ."

Kennedy advised the Kerry campaign on environmental policies.

Although attacked following the Heinz Kerry spat by one alternative press outlet as "unprofessional", Prine was singled out by the prestigious Columbia Journalism Review "as a model of dogged reporting for the rest of the press" only days before the election. .

It later surfaced that the author of the piece calling Prine "unprofessional," Steve Volk, had himself been turned down for a job by the Tribune-Review. He also had worked for the Democratic leadership in Pittsburgh, facts he didn't disclose to his readers.

"Little known fact: Volk, a former lackey in the Mayor Murphy administration, was once seen in the Trib offices dressed for a job interview. Later, he would devote countless inches of his media column and appear on a local cable talk show to bash the Trib. I was even the target of one of his rants when he got upset that I had been tipped off about a court hearing and the Post-Gazette reporter hadn't," wrote Pittsburgh media personality Dave Copeland.

Others in the alternative press had long pointed to Volk's paper as a "slanderous" tabloid that had mistreated employees and stooped to libeling both the living and the dead, sometimes using bogus letters, doctored photographs  and shoddy reporting  to defame celebrities, business owners and other public figures, including journalists at the local Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News. .

At one point, former Philadelphia mayor and Heinz Kerry ally Rendell called for the firing of Volk's editor for cheap attacks and poor news judgement. Rendell was flatteringly portrayed as a champion of the environment and Pennsylvania taxpayers by Prine. -unsigned by 147.72.93.172 19:39, Feb 18, 2005

To Tribune fan:
We do not know your name. Please provide a name at the end of your comments. If you continue to wish to be anonymous, for whatever reason, then you are welcome to use an anonymous name. It is becoming very difficult for the other editors of this article to communicate with you, and especially hard for others to identify your words.

Despite your repeated references to "Wikipedia norms," you are not showing an interest in following those norms yourself. They are well documented at such pages as Help:Editing and specifically Talk page. We still ask that anonymous contributors, who, for whatever reason, decide not to create a personalized account, still follow such norms so that interactions with them can be structured and cohesive.

The voicing of legal threats against Wikipedia, or of any of its members in their capacities and actions as editors and contributors, is not conducive to the open collaborative spirit of the project. The consensus is that such threats of legal action are not allowed. Your repeated accusations of "tortiary libel" etc. do appear to be legal threats, certainly at least legal accusations. No legal threats, as a policy which has become accepted convention, stipulates that if an individual makes legal threats against the project or its members, that such individuals shall not contribute to the project until any legal action is resolved or the threat of legal action has disappeared. In the interests of the project, administrators can take measures to prevent you from contributing in such a situation.

You appear to have content dispute issues over this article that so far do not appear to have clear evidence or references to support them. Furthermore, you seem to insist on the falsity of content based on the lack of evidence to support them. Certainly, lack of evidence does not imply lack of truth (an example of the fallacy of negative proof), and we hope you recognize that.

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External Links & Franchise Scoring Leaders
This is Wikipedia's New York Rangers page, open for anyone to edit and contribute to. This page does not belong to "Sabbatino." Please adequately explain the following: 1) Why the Rangers' official website should merely be referred to as "Official Website" in the "External Links" section instead of "Official New York Rangers Website," which IS the official title of the site when you go to the site. 2) Why the NHL's official website should not be included in the "External Links" section considering the Rangers are a team that plays and participates in the National Hockey League. 3) Why statistics such as "Game-winning Goals" and "Shots on Goal" should not be included in the "Franchise Scoring Leaders" table while statistics such as "Plus/Minus" and "Penalty Minutes" should be. 208.163.242.148 (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Saying "Official New York Rangers Website" is redundant, as the only official website would be theirs 2) the NHL page gets linked on the NHL article, not on every team 3) those stats are not necessarily pieces of the story of the top 10 points leaders, which is what that chart is for. (I mean, neither is PIM, but that's a standard stat that usually gets used.) You may want to look at pretty much every other NHL team's article to see that "Official Website" is sufficient, NHL website not used on teams, and the stats you want to add usually don't go here. Sabbatino is only returning the article to a proper state, and not taking ownership of it. Echoedmyron (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Just about everything you said here is subjective. Those stats are every bit as much standard stats and pieces of the story of the top 10 points leaders as Plus/Minus and Penalty Minutes are. The NHL's web page gets linked on the NHL article, and Madison Square Garden's web page and MSG Network's web page get linked on their respective articles. Yet those web pages get linked on the Rangers article as well and the NHL's web page does not? There is no rule saying that every NHL team's Wikipedia article has to be formatted or presented the same way. They are separate, individual articles. That said, if you were to look at every other NHL team's article you would see that only 5 of them include Plus/Minus and Penalty Minutes in their franchise scoring leader box. The other 25 team articles do not. It would be more accurate to say that Sabbatino returned the article to its previous state, as to refer to it as a "proper" state would be subjective. 208.163.242.148 (talk) 04:00, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no rule that every page must be formatted the same way, but it is desirable that this be so. If you wish to have this article break formatting, you will need to gain consensus here to do so.  If you wish to propose a change to the formatting for all 31 team articles, feel free to suggest it at WT:HOCKEY. Resolute 15:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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Why is nbcsn on the media section
NBCSN is part of the nhl on nbc package for national telecasts. So why is nbcsn on the media section?? Metric Supporter 89 (talk) 22:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It is still an individual channel despite being packaged, and the Rangers are featured in the station frequently. Nick.b23 (talk) 14:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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Honored Members
This section (and it's subsections) have been changed to pros style (again), as called for by consensus at Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format. Any continous attempts to revert the section to a list style (against WikiProject's guidelines) could be seen as vandalism. GoodDay 19:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Trenton Devils
I am aware that the Devils bought the Titans and changed the name, but I am not sure that the Flyers have terminated their affiliation with them, yet. Do any links exist which might prove the affiliation agreement has been terminated? --207.69.140.25 20:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You have to remember though that the affiliation system in hockey, especially in the levels below the AHL, aren't like that of what you see in baseball. While many of the teams do have affiliate relationships to a NHL club, not all do, in the ECHL their not as exclusive as the affiliate relationships are in baseball, also considering that some ECHL teams are affiliated to more then one NHL team, for example the  Florida Everblades are affiliated with the Carolina Hurricanes and Florida Panthers on the NHL level but are only affiliated to the Albany River Rats on the AHL level. As for you question, based on the information on the ECHL, it would lead me to believe, also based on the press releases by Trenton and NJ, that the Flyers no longer have a relationship with the Trenton club and are w/o an ECHL affiliate. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 23:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I do believe the "Devils" are specifically a NJ Devils affiliate only, otherwise they would have kept an ambiguous name, like Titans.Darthflyer 03:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any mention of an affiliation on the websites of the Flyers, the Phantoms, The Trenton Devils, or the ECHL. ccwaters 19:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I recall reading what I think was a blog entry hoping the Flyers would continue to send players to Trenton a while back, but until I find it (if I ever do), the following links will have to suffice.

First there is this article saying David Laliberte may end up in Trenton...

His Flyers contract is a two-way deal, meaning if he doesn’t stick with Philadelphia or its farm team, the Phantoms, and goes to the East Coast Hockey League (and Flyers’ affiliate the Trenton Titans), he’ll still make AHL money.

An incentive Laliberte hopes keeps him in the Keystone State.

“I don’t want to be sent to the East Coast (Hockey League). I got to work to stay in the AHL, but you never know. It always depends on your camp. After that they will evaluate all that stuff.”

Then there is this protected list of players from Trenton which includes two Phantoms players from last year (Zingoni spent most of the season with the Phantoms).

The Devils’ protected list consists on the following players: goaltender Joel Martin; defensemen Chris Barr, Jerramie Domish, Daryl Marcoux, Jake Ortmeyer, James Pemberton, Evan Shaw, Luis Tremblay and Brett Westgarth; and forwards Scott Bertoli, Chris Capraro, Les Haggett, Jim Henkel, Gregg Johnson, John Laliberte, Mike Manley, Troy Riddle and Peter Zingoni.

I still think it is premature to delist Trenton as an affiliate without confirmation. When the Devils bought the Titans, that didn't mean the Flyers were suddenly no longer affiliates. While the name change might indicate that the relationship is coming to an end soon if not already, there is no confirmation suggesting it is over yet. I suspect confirmation will only come when either the Flyers name a replacement affiliate or when the time comes to send extra Phantoms players to the ECHL this fall. Until then, I think the Trenton Devils should be left on the affiliates list. --207.69.140.51 21:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I disagree, and I'll use something from the ECHL website as a source. It lists the ECHL teams and their NHL and AHL affiliates as of May 22nd, 2007 and the Flyers aren't on the list at all.  Bsroiaadn Talk 21:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Found this on a message board: Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said that no decision had been made in regard to the Flyers continuing to send players to Trenton. Trenton has been the Flyers' ECHL affiliate since the club began play in 1999.

It was an easy decision for the Flyers when the Bermans owned the team, but since the Devils took ownership last September, things have changed.

"We still intend to talk and see where we're at," Holmgren said. "The Devils at some point intend to make that a full-fledged developmental team of their own, whether that's this season or some time down the road. But we do intend to talk and see where we're at."

Holmgren said there are other options, but Trenton makes the most sense.

"Geographically it makes a lot of sense," he said. "We've had a good relationship in the past and it's something we need to explore."

Article Improvement
I made a couple changes to this page in the past day, most notably the expansion of the Franchise history. There are certain places I should have trimmed down a little more so as to not make the History of the Philadelphia Flyers article irrelevant (though if articles are created for every single Flyers season like 2006-07, that is something that may come to pass).

I have pretty much stuck to the Devils page format but I do wonder about the Franchise records section. Perhaps some of those records could be tacked onto the Philadelphia Flyers seasons article? If we are to have such a section, the only records worth noting are the franchise career marks, in my opinion. I guess it largely depends on the rationale for the inclusion of records when the Devils article received FA-status, which I am unaware of.

I think the effort should be made to get this article FA-status since it doesn't seem that far away as it is (sourcing being the major deterrent to those chances). I am not sure how to go about this, however. --207.69.140.25 20:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Although I personally can't stand the Flyers, I'd help with this if we can get it started. The Flyers (although I hate to admit it), have a very interesting history full of major accomplishments as well as tragedy (the goalie who died while drunk driving...I can't think of his name at the moment).  Bsroiaadn Talk 03:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be Pelle Lindbergh (1959-1985). GoodDay 21:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Wiki's History of the Flyers: 184 kb. History of the American Revolution: 149 kb. Priorities, people! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.137.13 (talk) 02:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Pics
More Jersey pictures needed in the appropriate section; specifically current uniform pictures. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 04:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

"The Philadelphia Flyers have the second best winning percentage in the NHL behind the Montreal Canadiens."
Is there some kind of source for this claim? --4.239.168.139 18:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

 * What team has the best all time win percentage in the NHL? I checked to make sure the win percentage of .576 is correct and it is. --72.25.23.15 (talk) 06:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Radio and television
Is this section really necessary? Since the media outlets are already listed in the infobox it doesn't add much of anything to the article. --4.239.168.25 20:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Cooperalls
What is shown in the article right now is not correct. The Flyers did not wear Cooperalls for two seasons.

While they wore long pants for 1981/82 and 1982/83, at least in 1982/83 they wore a long-pant product from CCM, and their equipment may have been CCM products in 1981/82. Cooperalls were made by a different company, Cooper.

Michael Poplawski (talk) 19:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Simpsons
In one of the Simpsons episode's, the Philadelphia Flyers team of 1976 appears. And they are portrayed in an evil manner. Why is that? What was so "evil" or "bad" about the team of 1976? Or was it just a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.200.190 (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Flyers in the 70's were known as the Broadstreet Bullies. The reason for this was that they fought alot more than most teams and often used dirty playing tactics. (atleast thats what non-flyers fans will say. flyer fans will probably think they did no wrong lol.) -Djsasso (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

A Must add section
I think (and nobody ever listens to me so im probably wasting time) that there is a need for an additional section about the constant change is goalies. The flyers changed there goalies so fast and so much that they received a nickname. Can anybody mention there goalie change. I think after Garph Snow they changed there goalie almost every year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.31.254 (talk) 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Playoff starters since Hextall/Snow in '97 - Burke '98, Vanbiesbrouck '99, Boucher '00, Cechmanek '01/'02/'03, Esche '04/'06, Biron '08/'09
 * I think it is an angle that is over-played by the media. When compared to certain teams such as the Devils with Brodeur, yes it is a glaring difference. However, when you compare it with other NHL teams it isn't as bad. If the Flyers weren't so tight against the salary cap this past summer and Biron had lowered his salary demands (he wanted $4 million and ended up getting less than half that on a one-year contract from the Islanders), Biron would more than likely still be the starting goaltender. --Stevenparkie (talk) 22:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Many teams, especially in this free agent era, have similar revolving doors. Right now, for instance, the Bruins have only FIVE players on their payroll who started the season only three years ago.  If we're talking goalies, Buffalo's had four starters in the last ten years - Hasek, Biron, Noronen and Miller - and that's the exact same number the Flyers have had.  It's useful before deciding that the team you root for's unique in some way to find some sources saying so.    Ravenswing  04:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Heck there was a year that the Calgary Flames had I think it was 6 maybe 7 starters in a single year. They kept losing them to injuries. -DJSasso (talk) 04:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * And while I'm thinking the Sabres and recent history alone, there's the turbulent pre-Hasek stretch: Barrasso was the starter in 1988, Jacques Cloutier in 1989, Darren Puppa in 1990, Clint Malarchuk in 1991, Tom Draper took over from Malarchuk and Puppa in 1992, Grant Fuhr in 1993, and by 1994 Hasek was in place. Seven seasons, seven starters.  I remembered that because I wrote a piece for a hockey website in the fall of 2001 bitching out the Sabres fans for screaming for Biron's head, on the grounds that the hyena pack had driven out of town some perfectly good goalies while team defense (led by Dale "Who, me, backcheck?" Hawerchuk) was allowing 35 shots a game, and were screeching now because Biron had the bad luck to follow the best six-season stretch of goaltending in the whole expansion era.    Ravenswing  06:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't the Blues or Nordiques have a season of numerious goalies? GoodDay (talk) 13:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably. I only remember the flames one because I was living there at the time and there was a cartoon cover on one of the papers with like 6 or 7 goalie masks on the front and some joke type comment when the Freddy Brathwaite was signed as the last of the string Here we go.. -DJSasso (talk) 14:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Howabout the 1989-90 Nordiques: Ron Tugnutt, Jacques Cloutier, John Tanner, Stephane Fiset, Scott Gordon, Greg Millen, Mario Brunetta & Sergei Mylnikov. GoodDay (talk) 14:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Tampa Bay had 5-6 goalies a season in the late 90ies.   ccwaters (talk) 15:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, thus we don't need such a section within this article 'or' any of the other NHL team articles. GoodDay (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

New user, found a GLARING problem
Sorry to have to do an edit, on the Philadelphia Flyers page, but...under the "Broad Street Bullies" section, when the topic of their games against the Red Army comes about, there was a BIG error. I changed "Wachovia arena" to "Spectrum" since that is what the arena they played in was known as.

How do I know this? I spent the better part of my childhood (8 to 18) with season tickets to the Flyers games at the Spectrum. It wasn't until the new arena was built (originally the "CoreStates Center") that Wachovia became involved.

I made this edit for all hockey fans, Flyers fans specifically.

Any issues, my email is pridewalker666@hotmail.com.

Respect to the original poster, but the Spectrum is not the FU center. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.196.11 (talk) 09:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

flyers make history
WOO! Flyers make history as being the 6th team (I think) to come back from a 0-3 defeceit in a 7-game series and win. I can personally stand the flyers. I'm not sure if this should be listed here because it is already listed at this page Sorry if I'm being too enthusiastic for Wikipedia. 69.136.72.16 (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I think it is quite noteworthy of writing the 3-0 zip game comeback but can we get someone who isn't such a diehard fan to clean this up so it doesn't sound like an article written up by a fan/ sports illustrated writer, the idea is to present the facts without having a fan bias, I know its exciting to see but lets make an effort to be objective... saying that lets hope we can see the broad street bullies end up in the finals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.53.75.154 (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect Info
In the list of conference championships, 1976-77 is listed. The Flyers lost that year in the conference finals to Boston. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pressman (talk • contribs) 04:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Conference championships went to the regular season champs from '74 to '81. --24.152.220.10 (talk) 06:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. I was not aware of that.Pressman (talk) 06:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC) Yes there is other errors too in the 'conference champions' section. I think this is due to a misunderstanding about the cambpell bowl/wales trophy. The Flyers played in the Stanley Cup Finals in 74,75,76,80,85,87,97, and 10. During the late 70's/early 80's the campbell bowl was given to the regular season conference champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbittner (talk • contribs) 23:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

With regards to the Flyers and Kate Smith's 'God Bless America', there was incorrect information claiming the tradition was started. In truth, the tradition had been started some years earlier. I have rewrote the basics and moved it to the appropriate section, as well as mentioning the importance of the tradition during the 1973-74 season and playoffs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmut Hedd (talk • contribs) 18:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Division titles
The Flyers consider themselves division champions 15 times. That includes 1982–83 and 1985–86 and doesn't include 1988–89. See the Flyers 2010–11 Media Guide, p298. I'm aware there are some teams who go by the playoff champion and I think at least one has banners for both (Pittsburgh?). But the Flyers go by the regular season champion and it should remain as such in this and other Flyers articles. --Izzygood (talk) 19:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we have a bit of a discussion regarding this ongoing at WT:HOCKEY. There is question as to who, exactly, won those divisions between 1982 and 1993. Resolute 20:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Perhaps the 2010-11 book is making an error in retroactive info. Re-starting with the 1993-94 season, all division titles are of the regular season. But from 1981-82 to 1992-93, playoff division titles were apart of the picture, along with regular season titles. GoodDay (talk) 00:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Not unless they switched the banners and helped the Capitals lift this one up to the rafters. The Islanders also appear to go by regular season titles. The last one to the right in the picture, 1987–88, is shared by the Devils, who at least have it as "Patrick Division Playoff Champions". The Canucks have banners for both regular season and playoff division titles without distinguishing between the two. There just doesn't seem to be an official league-wide standard for who was the "true" division champion for that time period and to enforce one standard across Wikipedia when the NHL didn't bother to seems wrong to me. --Izzygood (talk) 04:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My idea was best, as it designated which were playoff & which were both. GoodDay (talk) 13:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps with a note that the Flyers only have banners for the regular season titles? --Izzygood (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I used an asterisk next to '84-85, '86-87 & '88-89 & explained that the NHL recognized Divison playoff champs from 1981-82 to 1992-93. GoodDay (talk) 18:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The NHL media guides from that time period only recognize the playoff version as the division champions. The teams themselves as is noted vary on what they acknowledge, but really that comes down to just trying to promote their own product. But the official NHL guides have been recognizing the playoff version as the division champions. Banners are really up to the individual teams as there are no league rules on what you can put up a banner for or not. And individual media guides are also created by the individual teams so can probably also be chalked up to trying to promote their own product. Really its only what the league considers the division champion that matters. -DJSasso (talk) 16:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We're currently not showing all the division playoff champions, on all the team articles though. Here (for example), the Flyers were 1989 Divison playoff champions -yet we're not showing that-. GoodDay (talk) 17:46, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like some proof regarding these NHL media guides from the 1980s since these things should be cited and not merely assumed. Do the modern media guides differ? Do they list both regular season and playoff champions? --Izzygood (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

What's the problem with the word Erased?!
I think erased would make more sense.
 * "Erased" is not the appropriate term for a sports loss in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not ESPN, or a Sports blog, using colorful language. Please read the guidelines that other editors have been posting on your talk page that you have been deleting. They will help you understand what Wikipedia is and what it is for, so that you can start making valuable contributions to it. Echoedmyron (talk) 21:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Favell gives up goal from 80' feet out
I edited the text regarding the goal that Flyers goalie Doug Favell gave up against Buffalo's Gerry Meehan in 1972. The distance Meehan was from the Flyer's goal was greatly exaggerated in the text and in NHL folklore over the years. I have seen the goal on YouTube and it was from inside the blue line, not at center ice or 80 feet out as written here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmut Hedd (talk • contribs) 05:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Retired numbers
So does anyone know why retired numbers are not displayed in the navbox like they are in other leagues? If there is no "rule" against it, then should we add them? Peetlesnumber1 (talk) 22:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the purpose of a navbox is to aid navigation of key articles around a topic, not to stuff every link with a tangental relationship to a topic into one big mess of a template. Doubly so since the format other league projects use to note retired numbers are easter eggs of no value to a reader. Same reason why I, and many WP:HOCKEY members oppose the silly links to championship or near-championship seasons.  There are core articles on the Flyers that will lead a reader to this information in a more organized way.  Most notably, Philadelphia Flyers itself. Resolute 23:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. As with many other pieces of information that people want to stuff into leads, templates or infoboxes, I have a bit of advice for those interested in a hockey team's retired numbers: read the article.   Ravenswing   02:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2018
please fix hextall as he was fired and the Fletcher era has begun 170.184.81.41 (talk) 02:39, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 03:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've got it. They were referring to the section title of "The Hextall era", which is obviously ended since Hextall was fired.  This is why I personally hate naming sections after people, POV concerns notwithstanding. Resolute 14:29, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2021
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Owner= Mika Zibanejad
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Conference Finals
Why is it that for the 1973-74 season, when the Flyers won their first cup, that it does not say we won a Conference Final? Also, for the 1976-77 season, it says we won a conference final but we did not appear in the Stanley Cup Final. I had edited that, in what I thought was fixing it, but not long after, it was reversed. Could someone explain why these two, mentioned above, should not be edited out? LegioV (talk) 02:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I said we. I am a Flyers fan and forgot to use a neutral word. That is my bad. I should have just used, the Flyers. Same for the other season I mentioned LegioV (talk) 02:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Ignore this. I saw a different topic which addressed this. LegioV (talk) 02:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There were no Conference Finals, until the 1981-82 season. From 1974-75 to 1980-81 season, the team that finished in first place in each Conference during the regular season, were designated Conference champions. GoodDay (talk) 04:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

"Flyers Skate Zone" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Flyers Skate Zone and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 19:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

General Manager is Chuck Fletcher
The Flyers general manager is Fletcher, not Briere. Why does someone fix it all the time? Galaxoid (talk) 14:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Oh yeah. I saw today's news. Galaxoid (talk) 16:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Pittsburgh Penguins

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2014
Please change the "owner(s)" line in the intro side bar to "Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle" because some troll fool erroneously changed it to the "New York Rangers".

173.75.225.5 (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. I wonder if that means the Canadiens will own them when they own the Rangers next round. -DJSasso (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks... Complain-ger fans creating bad karma = Habs in 5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.225.5 (talk) 15:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Bylsma status
According to every reference that I have seen, including NHL.com and the reference cited by the editor who wrote that Bylsma was fired, says that on,y Shero was fired and Bylsma remains on the job. He may yet be fired later, but not now. So I am changing that back until there is evidence that Bylsma is out.

Reference | CBS sports reference cited |NHL.com TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 17:18, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

A redirect, NHL Pittsburgh Pirates, should be deleted.
There is a page called NHL Pittsburgh Pirates (check here, click hide links). The Pirates are the baseball team. The Ultimate New England Patriots Guy (talk) 00:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Doesn't need to be deleted, the target just needed to be changed to Pittsburgh Pirates (NHL). GB fan 01:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I know this sort of thing comes as a surprise to sports fans who think that sports were invented when they were themselves seven years old, but in fact there was, once, an NHL team called the Pittsburgh Pirates ... the same way there used to be NFL teams called the St. Louis Cardinals, the Detroit Tigers, the New York Yankees, the Brooklyn Dodgers, the Cincinnati Reds, the Washington Senators and the Cleveland Indians; a MLB team called the New York Giants; and a NHL team called the Colorado Rockies.   Ravenswing   02:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Logo update?
Does anyone have an SVG of the proper 72-92 logo? It's not the same logo as the modern-day skating penguin. It's quite similar, but there are differences. -- Kevin W.  - Talk  21:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * And why isn't the proper logo used as the current logo in the "Logo and uniforms" section? The one where it says "2016-present" does not have "Pittsburgh Gold" but some other yellow tone in it. Simply compare this logo to the proper logo used in the infobox section and you'll see the difference. 78.35.166.160 (talk) 11:19, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Jerseys...
Pittsburgh will no longer be using "Vegas Gold"- the currently updated sweater in the article, as Las Vegas will be granted an expansion team. The new jerseys look like this; Can anyone ask User:Silent Wind of Doom to create to new jerseys? (Oh, by the way -- the current jersey image's alternate jersey is now the main home jersey.)

Just in case you couldn't see it, here's the link: http://www.icethetics.co/blog/2016/6/24/penguins-unveil-new-throwback-road-jersey

→  The Pancake of Heaven!  12:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

 * I did the original versions of these templates, but since others have taken over. I could get a new set out, but it would likely take a good amount of time.  I'm rather busy at the moment.  The last time I put out these was when Atlanta had a hockey team.  Check the latest upload on each and see who's been updating them. --The Silent Wind of Doom (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Tagging @Kevin W. →  The Pancake of Heaven!  15:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

 * I've added the outdated File:ECM-Uniform-PIT.png file to the "Logo and jersey" section and crossed out it in the info box. Until we get the jersey updated we'll have to make do. →  The Pancake  of Heaven!  13:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

 * →  The Pancake of Heaven!  13:52, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Just asking, but how do you create those uniform templates? Do you use some program? --  The Pancake of Heaven!  11:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Nothing special. It's just MSPaint.  References are brought in to use as color swatches and, of course, as reference when drawing.  All the images have a black outline template that can be used for everything.  The Silent Wind of Doom (talk) 14:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2017
PLEASE UPDATE THIS PAGE TO ALL CAPS IN HONOR OF CAPITALS PENGUINS GAME 7!!!! 108.31.239.82 (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No. ~ GB fan 18:35, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Please add a new section about the Penguins fanbase. 142.162.197.83 (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2018
Requesting to update the career, goaltending leaders to incorporate Matt Murray's statistics into the table. Reference the following link for up to the 2017-2018 season: https://www.nhl.com/player/matt-murray-8476899 50.200.229.2 (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: We do not update these tables until the regular season concludes. Deadman137 (talk) 19:55, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2018
Can you please update the History section by adding what happened in the 2017-18 season? Please. 2601:401:C400:357:DC22:B179:81A7:FB98 (talk) 09:54, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — KuyaBriBri Talk 13:37, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I just want to add that the Penguins made the playoffs, defeated the flyers in six games, and lost to the Washington Capitals in six games. Could you please add that? Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:C400:357:D09F:8F5B:552:CFD7 (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

 * A form of that information would be acceptable. One of us will get to this sooner or later.  danny music editor  oops 20:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I've waited long enough. Could you update the History section by adding that this recent season, they lost Fleury and made the playoffs. During the playoffs they defeated the flyers in six games, and then lost to the capitals in six games. Could you please add these facts to update the section? Please.

✅  danny music editor  oops 00:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2018
Could you please update the bottom of the page? I heard that the Washington Capitals won the Stanley Cup last night(June 7, 2018). Could you please update the bottom of the page? Please. 2602:304:5D4E:5E49:9DF7:520A:5CC9:BFE9 (talk) 17:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

No. That is irrelevant to the Penguins history.  danny music editor  oops 17:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Um, actually it is relevant, as the succession box still said the Penguins were the current Cup champions. They've now been succeeded by the Capitals, so I have updated that. Thanks to the original IP editor for catching this. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Oh. I didn't see that. I assumed you were talking about the history. My apologies.  danny music editor  oops 03:33, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2018
Can you please make a separate article about the 2018–19 NHL season just for the Penguins? Please. 2602:304:5D4E:5E49:495C:390F:8C74:3905 (talk) 22:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Requests for new articles may be submitted at WP:AFC.  spintendo   22:12, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * People are still creating next season's articles. As of this moment, 26 of the 31 team season articles have been created, I'm sure the Penguins one will come along shortly, so just be patient. Echoedmyron (talk) 23:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I just couldn't wait any longer. Could you please add the page for the 2018-19 Pittsburgh Penguins? Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:c400:357:9812:e5c2:dd87:45dd (talk) 00:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Requests for new articles may be submitted at WP:AFC. ~ GB fan 00:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2018
Can you please add that in the History section that before the 2017–18 season, the Penguins lost Fleury due to the expansion draft to Vegas? Please. 2602:304:5D47:FFD9:786A:DDE5:2236:B88F (talk) 19:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 16:16, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

November 2019
I've protected this page for 24 hours due to vandalism. All you auto-confirmed users can still edit though. — Ched (talk) 23:41, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2022
In "retired numbers" section of "honoured members," please change Michel Brière's name from "Briere" to "Brière" in accordance with all other mentions of him and his wikipedia page that this phrase hyperlinks to. Plangentia (talk) 11:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅  TG HL ↗  🍁 05:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I reverted that prior edit. There is a consensus with WP:HOCKEY for all non-player North American hockey pages to not apply diacritics in names. If you wish to pursue the issue/dispute the established consensus, I'd suggest taking it up at WT:HOCKEY. Leventio (talk) 09:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2023
In the History section, can someone please add the 2022 playoffs result for the Penguins? It is missing from that section. Can someone add what I said? Please. 2601:40A:8400:5A40:395B:9513:15CB:51B4 (talk) 20:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Add "In the 2021–22 season, the Penguins clinched a 16th consecutive playoff birth, but lost to the New York Rangers in seven games". 2601:40A:8400:5A40:395B:9513:15CB:51B4 (talk) 00:51, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

New Gm update june 1 2023
Kyle Dubas has been announced GM, needs updated Boriswitt (talk) 16:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Different Alternate Jersey edit request Jan 16 2024
Can you please change "Alt" section of jerseys. Pittsburgh no longer wears the yellow alternate jersey. The Penguins now wear a diagonal scripted "Pittsburgh" jersey as an alternate and a black helmet. Here is a link for a reference: https://news.sportslogos.net/2021/12/01/penguins-bring-back-90s-look-for-new-third-uniform/hockey-2/. 173.233.2.228 (talk) 00:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Buffalo Sabres

Spelling of nickname
Why is the teams nickname the "Sabres" & not the "Sabers"? The latter would seem to be closer to US spelling.

 * Interesting question, maybe there is some interesting trivia as to why it was settled on as Sabres instead of sabers, if you can find something notable to add to the article I doubt anybody would find exception and revert it. Be BOLD in your editing!EliteArcher88 (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

 * The Sabres got their name in 1969 from Toronto filmmaker Harry Cole, who entered the suggestion in a name-the-team contest hosted by Seymour Knox III and Northrup Knox, the founding owners of the franchise. Because of this and in honor of our close neighbors to the north, Knox III chose to utilize the Canadian English spelling of the word. 2603:7080:C103:CC71:8805:1C64:1E66:E74B (talk) 11:12, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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New Logo for 2020-2021
https://content.sportslogos.net/logos/1/4/full/5493_buffalo_sabres-primary-2021.png The Sabres changed their logo on August 11 along with their colors

Updated logo for Buffalo Sabres to match what is on the team's official website. - Crowsair (talk) 02:45, 27 August 2020 (UTC) Crowsair,

Only two conference championships
Buffalo has only two Conference Championships, not three. 2600:1002:B153:6746:C4C5:30BD:73B8:8AC8 (talk) 20:05, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's three. 1974-75 to 1980-81, were regular season Conference champions, 1981-82 to the present, are playoff Conference champions. GoodDay (talk) 20:33, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2023
Can you please update this page? The Sabres' playoff drought is now at 12. Can you please update? Please. 2601:40A:8400:5A40:64B8:AE35:351A:9D41 (talk) 18:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 18:30, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2023
The Sabres weren’t in the 1980 Stanley Cup Finals that was the series between Philadelphia Flyers vs New York Islanders 2601:58A:8D00:6760:F45D:76A8:F14F:BC86 (talk) 00:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 00:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Alternate Jersey
Can someone add the black and red jersey to the jersey template? 2603:7080:C103:CC71:8805:1C64:1E66:E74B (talk) 11:14, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2024
Change "Head Coach" to " Lindy Ruff" Mahoganyapple (talk) 21:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Tollens (talk) 07:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The Sabres have only been to the Stanley Cup finals twice
The wiki page states the Sabres have been to the Stanley Cup finals three times. This is false, they have only been twice. During the 1979-1980 season, the Stanley Cup finals was between the New York Islanders and the Philadelphia Flyers. 47.14.240.135 (talk) 01:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Where does it say that they were finalists three times?   Ravenswing     04:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the confusion comes from the fact that the Sabres have 3 Conference Championships, but that's because the Prince of Wales Trophy was awarded to the regular season conference champs between 1974 and 1981, so despite the fact that they didn't make the finals in 1979-1980, they were still considered Conference Champions. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm pretty sure that's what it was. It's just one of the several issues bedeviling hockey articles (Montreal's number of Cups/league championships, Tigers/Americans/Sharks/Barons/Seals, Black Hawks/Blackhawks, award eligibility) from people unaware that the rules and practices governing the NHL in 2024 weren't necessarily in force for the hundred-plus years prior.   Ravenswing      21:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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