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Antoni Macierewicz

Antoni Macierewicz (born 3 August 1948) is a Polish politician and the former Minister of National Defence. He previously served as the Minister of Internal Affairs, Head of the Military Counterintelligence Service, and Minister of State in the Ministry of National Defence.

Employing nonviolent civil disobedience, Macierewicz was one of the founders in 1976 of the Workers' Defense Committee, a major anti-communist opposition organization that was a forerunner of Solidarity. During the 1980s Macierewicz directed the Centre for Social Research of Solidarity and was one of the trade union's key advisors. A former political prisoner, he escaped from incarceration and was in hiding until 1984, directing work and issuing underground publications.

Macierewicz served as the Minister of Internal Affairs from 1991 to 1992, the Head of the Military Counterintelligence Service from 2006 to 2007, and the Minister of National Defence from 2015 to 2018. He is currently in his sixth term in the Parliament of Poland, where he represents the Piotrków Trybunalski district, and was a Member of the European Parliament. He is also the Deputy Leader of Law and Justice, the largest party in the Parliament of Poland.

Early life
Macierewicz was born in Warsaw on 3 August 1948. He is the youngest of three children of Zdzisław and Maria Macierewicz, both scientists. His father, a noted researcher in chemistry, a soldier in the Home Army during World War II, and a member of the Christian democratic Labor Party, committed suicide in 1949.

Anti-communist activities
Macierewicz was expelled from Andrzej Frycz Modrzewski High School for political reasons in 1965, specifically for refusing to denounce the Letter of Reconciliation of the Polish Bishops to the German Bishops. Macierewicz continued his studies at Maria Konopnicka High School. From 1966, he belonged to the Czarna Jedynka scout troop. After completing his baccalaureate exams, he became a student at the University of Warsaw in 1966. He co-organized underground student organizations and participated in the student strikes that marked the 1968 Polish political crisis. He was arrested and remained a political prisoner from 28 March to 3 August 1968. Following the Polish 1970 protests, Macierewicz launched the campaign to help victims of state oppression. In 1971 he earned a master's degree from the Institute of History of the University of Warsaw. His thesis was titled ''Hierarchy of Power and the Structure of Land Ownership in Tawantinsuyu in the First Half of the Sixteenth Century’’.

As a doctoral student at the Institute of History of the Polish Academy of Sciences, he developed expertise on South America, but his doctoral thesis was not considered for political reasons. Subsequently, he coordinated with other independent intellectuals, writing letters of protest to the government regarding changes in the constitution of the Polish People's Republic. He taught the history of Latin America at the Department of Iberian Studies of the University of Warsaw. During this time he published articles and learned Quechuan languages. In January 1976, he started a PhD under the supervision of Tadeusz Łepkowski, which was interrupted by the authorities in mid-October 1976 because of Macierewicz’s dissident activities. Moreover, publication of his book and a trip to Argentina in order to conduct archival research were both blocked.

After the pacification of workers in June 1976, he organized relief in Radom and Ursus. Along with some of his colleagues from "Black One", he created underground structures, which dealt with the monetary, legal, and medical aid for the oppressed. Macierewicz founded the Workers' Defence Committee (KOR), the forerunner of Solidarity. “Macierewicz, more than anyone else, was responsible for the formation of KOR”, notes David Ost, a Professor of Political Science at Hobart and William Smith Colleges.

In September 1976 he co-authored the organization's first appeal and began publishing the Komunikat „KOR”, working closely with Piotr Naimski and Jan Olszewski. From 16 May to 23 July 1977, and again in December 1979, Macierewicz was held as a political prisoner. In 1977 he started Głos, one of the first magazines of the democratic opposition in the communist era. In October 1979 he was a member of the Solidarity hunger strike at the Holy Cross Church in Warsaw. In connection with his opposition activities, he was kept under surveillance by the security services of communist Poland and, from 1976 until 1980, he was detained at least 23 times and his residence regularly searched.

From September 1980, Macierewicz directed the Centre for Social Research of Solidarity. He also began to publish the independent newspaper News Day Warsaw. Since October 1980 he was a member of the National Coordination Committee of Advisors, and later the National Commission of Solidarity. On 27 September 1981 Macierewicz was one of the signatories of the founding declaration of Independence Service Clubs. In the autumn of 1981, he joined the faculty at the Jagiellonian University. After the introduction of martial law in Poland, Macierewicz was part of the strike committee at the Gdańsk Shipyard. After the pacification of the protest of 16 December 1981, he was arrested but escaped from prison. Macierewicz was in hiding until 1984, directing work and issuing underground publications.

Member of the Sejm
Macierewicz remains a Member of the Sejm, where he has served from 25 November 1991 to 31 May 1993, from 20 October 1997 to 18 October 2005 and from 5 November 2007 to present. He represents the Piotrków Trybunalski district. He is the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee for the Investigation of the Causes of the 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 Crash. Macierewicz is also a member of the National Defense Commission and the Subcommission for the Polish Defense Industry and Technical Modernization of the Armed Forces.

Minister of Internal Affairs
He was Minister of Internal Affairs in Jan Olszewski's government. As a minister responsible for the police and security services, he was afforded full access to the former communist documentary archives, including records of communist intelligence and secret service agents. On 28 May 1992 the Parliament of Poland passed a law that the Minister of Internal Affairs had to provide the Sejm with a list of then senators, representatives, ministers, voivodes, judges and prosecutors who had been secret communist agents between 1945 and 1990. On 4 June 1992, Macierewicz provided a list, commonly known as the Macierewicz List, of 64 members of the government and parliament that had been identified as secret agents in the archives of the communist secret police to the Convent of Senior Parliamentarians. He also provided a second list containing the two names of highest importance, that of than President Lech Wałęsa and Marshall of Sejm Wiesław Chrzanowski.

As the crisis had been unfolding, prior to the lists' presentation, on 29 May 1992, the opposition parties submitted a motion of no confidence, asking for a vote on the fate of Olszewski's government. On the night of 4 June 1992, after the presentation of the lists, the motion of no confidence passed and Olszewski's government was dismissed. This situation was depicted in a documentary film, Nocna zmiana.

Activity between government posts
In 1993 Macierewicz founded his own party, Polish Action. He joined Olszewski's party, the Movement for Reconstruction of Poland, and became his deputy in 1996. He ran for parliament on Olszewski's party ticket. In 1997 he founded the Catholic-National Movement. In 2001 he joined the League of Polish Families, and on its list was re-elected to parliament in 2001, but left them due to policy differences. In 2002 Macierewicz ran unsuccessfully for President of Warsaw.

Member of the European Parliament
Macierewicz was a Member of the European Parliament during the fifth term. He served on the Committee on Development and Cooperation.

Secretary of State in the Ministry of National Defence
Following the 2005 Polish parliamentary election, Macierewicz was selected by Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczyński for the post of Secretary of State in the Ministry of National Defence.

Chairman of the Verification Commission
In July 2006, Macierewicz was appointed as the Chairman of the Verification Commission. He led the liquidation of the Military Information Services (WSI), an alleged "vestige of the communist era." Macierewicz also established new intelligence and counterintelligence agencies. On 16 February 2007 the closure report, known as the Macierewicz Report, was published in the Polish Monitor.

In its analysis, global intelligence company Stratfor noted: "The move both removes Soviet influence and consolidates the twins' power in the government. The release of the WSI report is one of the largest and most decisive moves along these lines. By naming people in the WSI who are connected to Soviet intelligence, Kaczynski ensures their names will forever be known for — alleged or real — Soviet ties. The move undermines the entire structure of the WSI and all of its former personnel, ensuring that it and those attached to it can never recover."

The report contained list of members of the WSI (military intelligence service), which included dozens of current and former Polish military counterintelligence contacts, some active in highly sensitive places like Afghanistan. Polish ambassadors to Austria, China, Kuwait and Turkey were recalled to Warsaw. At least ten of the names, including the military attaché in Moscow, were fiercely contested.

Head of the Military Counterintelligence Service
In October 2006, Macierewicz became Head of the Military Counterintelligence Service, in office until the end of the Kaczyński government.

Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash investigation

Since 20 July 2010 Macierewicz is the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee for the Investigation of the Causes of the 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash, commonly known as the Macierewicz Commission. The crash, which killed President of Poland Lech Kaczyński and his wife Maria, and 94 other dignitaries en route to the 70th anniversary commemorations of the Katyń massacre, has already been analyzed and documented by Committee for Investigation of National Aviation Accidents. Since the first days after the crash, Macierewicz claimed the crash was an assassination. Established on 8 July 2010, the goal of Macierewicz Commission was to disprove the official report. As the state investigation moved to exhumation of President Kaczyński's and others' bodies in late 2016, the New York Times summarized that "Macierewicz claimed over the years to have 'irrefutable evidence' of explosives [having caused the crash, but] his experts have yet to produce it."

Deputy Leader of Law and Justice
Since 23 November 2013 Macierewicz has been the Deputy Leader of Law and Justice, the largest party in the Parliament of Poland.

Minister of National Defence

Macierewicz paid an official visit to Israel in April 2016. Macierewicz and Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon pledged to strengthened military cooperation between Poland and Israel. Macierewicz was criticized in the Polish press during the 2016 Warsaw summit for his support of the defense industry of Israel. In October 2016 Macierewicz was condemned by Gazeta Wyborcza for his association with a leading champion of the fight to restore assets from Swiss banks to Holocaust survivors.

Honors and awards
On 3 May 1990, Ryszard Kaczorowski, then President of Poland in exile, awarded Macierewicz the Order of Polonia Restituta, one of Poland's highest orders. News magazine Gazeta Polska named Macierewicz the 2010 Man of the Year.

On 23 September 2022 Macierewicz was awarded the Order of the White Eagle, the highest state decoration.

Controversies
Following Macierewicz's designation as Minister of National Defence, he faced allegations of anti-Semitism and protests by the Anti Defamation League. In 1996, Macierewicz wrote that Poles did not murder Jews in the Kielce pogrom in 1946. In 2001, Macierewicz wrote: "Is the hubbub surrounding Jedwabne intended to eclipse the responsibility of Jews for Communism and the Soviet occupation?"

In a radio interview in 2002 Macierewicz said, in response to a caller's question, that he had read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and that while there are doubts on authenticity that "Experience shows that there are such groups in Jewish circles." The statement was condemned by the Jewish community in Poland. According to, Krzysztof Izdebski, the Chairman of the Council of The Union of Jewish Communities, Macierewicz apologized for the statement and "accepts with no doubts that the Protocols is false" which was accepted by the council. Justin Schulberg, a Jewish American former legislative assistant to Macierewicz and a student leader at Rutgers University, stated, “As a Jewish American, I am outraged by false and outlandish rumors and innuendos accusing Antoni Macierewicz, Poland’s Minister of National Defence-designate, of antisemitism… I hope that all factions in Poland will forcefully condemn the use of Judaism for political infighting.” Anna Chipczynska, the President of the Jewish Community of Warsaw, said, "the latest statement by Mr. Macierewicz denouncing all forms of anti-Semitism could be a positive signal that the new Polish government will stand strongly against manifestations of hatred toward Jews."

In July 2016, Antoni Macierewicz said that the "real enemy", Russia, shares responsibility for the massacres of Poles and Jews in German-occupied Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that "the Polish government is moving from Russophobia to inciting national hatred," and asked Macierewicz if "there are any historical events and natural disasters for which Russia is not the one to blame." Macierewicz's claim was also criticized by the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia.

In the comical webseries The Chairman's Ear (2017), implicit references are made to an alleged homosexual relationship between "Minister of War" Antoni and a younger man. This pun refers to Macierewicz's close ties with the much younger politician Bartłomiej Misiewicz (born in 1990).

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Richard Fitz Gilbert de Clare

Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare (died 15 April 1136) 3rd feudal baron of Clare in Suffolk, was an Anglo-Norman nobleman. A marcher lord in Wales, he was also the founder of Tonbridge Priory in Kent.

Life
Richard was the eldest son of Gilbert Fitz Richard de Clare and Adeliza de Claremont. Upon his father's death, he inherited his lands in England and Wales.

He is commonly said to have been created Earl of Hertford by either Henry I or Stephen, but no contemporary reference to him, including the record of his death, calls him by any title, while a cartulary states that a tenant had held "de Gilleberto, filio Richardi, et de Ricardo, filio ejus, et postea, de Comite Gilleberto, filio Richardi" ("of Gilbert Fitz Richard, and his son Richard, and then of Earl Gilbert Fitz Richard"), again failing to call Richard 'Earl' while giving that title to his son. Thus his supposed creation as earl is without merit, although his status and wealth made him a great magnate in England. There is an old photo document on the Wikipedia page for Tonbridge priory which states that the priory was founded by Richard de Clare EARL of (B.. illegible) and Hertfordshire.

Directly following the death of Henry I, hostilities increased significantly in Wales and a rebellion broke out. Richard was a strong supporter of King Stephen and in the first two years of his reign Richard attested a total of twenty-nine of that king's charters. He was with King Stephen when he formalized a treaty with King David I of Scotland and was a royal steward at Stephen's great Easter court in 1136. He was also with Stephen at the siege of Exeter that summer and was in attendance on the king on his return from Normandy. At this point, Richard apparently demanded more land in Wales, which Stephen was not willing to give him.

In 1136, Richard had been away from his lordship in the early part of the year. He returned to the borders of Wales via Hereford in the company of Brian Fitz Count, but on their separating, Richard ignored warnings of the danger and pressed on toward Ceredigion with only a small force. He had not gone far when, on 15 April, he was ambushed and killed by the men of Gwent under Iorwerth ab Owain and his brother Morgan, grandsons of Caradog ap Gruffydd, in a woody tract called "the ill-way of Coed Grano", near Llanthony Abbey, north of Abergavenny. Today the spot is marked by the 'garreg dial' (the stone of revenge). He was buried in Tonbridge Priory, which he founded.

Aftermath
The news of Richard's death induced Owain Gwynedd, son of Gruffudd ap Cynan, king of Gwynedd to invade his lordship. In alliance with Gruffydd ap Rhys of Deheubarth, he won a crushing victory over the Normans at the Battle of Crug Mawr, just outside Cardigan. The town of Cardigan was taken and burnt, and Richard's widow, Alice, took refuge in Cardigan Castle, which was successfully defended by Robert fitz Martin. She was rescued by Miles of Gloucester, who led an expedition to bring her to safety in England.

Family
Richard married Alice, sister of Ranulf de Gernon, 4th Earl of Chester, by her having:
 * Gilbert Fitz Richard de Clare, d. 1153 (without issue), 1st Earl of Hertford.
 * Roger de Clare, d. 1173, 2nd Earl of Hertford.
 * Alice de Clare (Adelize de Tonbridge), m. (1) about 1133, Sir William de Percy, Lord of Topcliffe, son of Alan de Percy and Emma de Gant; (2) Cadwaladr ap Gruffydd, brother of Owain Gwynedd
 * Robert Fitz Richard de Clare, perhaps died in childhood
 * Rohese de Clare, m. Gilbert de Gant, Earl of Lincoln.
 * Lucy de Clare, m. Baldwin de Redvers, 1st Earl of Devon.

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Talk:Brandon Flowers

Lithuanian American
Is this in any way relevant? Is there a source for this? I don't think it's customary on Wikipedia or IRL to introduce people by their full ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.44.245.104 (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Selected events
This section really seems to be a trivia section disguised as something else. Anthony Rupert 14:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * agreed, section tagged as trivia, one item should be merged into text. Benji boi 15:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Darrent Williams
Was he really the Brandon Flowers wounded in the Darrent Williams shooting? Can we confirm this? Sources? - NO, he was not the same Brandon Flowers. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/02/sportsline/main2320694.shtml?source=RSSattr=Entertainment_2320694 "Williams' mother identified Flowers as a high school friend who was visiting Williams.."

Flowers' sexuality
Resolved. Rufus Wainwright has a song on his new album called Tulsa and he says on a TV interview that it's about a night he spent with Brandon in Tulsa. Draw your own conclusions, Rufus is openly gay. No... Rufus Wainwright's song is about a night he spent IN A BAR with Brandon in Tulsa. That's not exactly hard evidence of homosexuality. Lazylisa (talk) 04:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard the song, but even if it were to scream the words "Brandon Flowers is gay," it would not be Flowers proclaiming his sexuality. That can in no way, shape, or form be construed as a reliable source about his sexual orientation.  It can not be used in the article.  Aleta   (Sing)  13:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it true?
Resolved. I highly doubt that Brandon died on the 22nd, considering that not even The Killers official website mentions anything about it. I really don't think it's true, and if it's not, someone please fix it. It's one of the few things with this page (besides the incorrect formatting) that's bothering me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.140.232 (talk) 02:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Not a controversy
"On August 2, 2005, Flowers married longtime girlfriend Tana Munblowsky in a private ceremony in Hawaii. The two dated for approximately four years before they wed. On July 14, 2007, the Flowers' first child, a boy named Ammon Richard Flowers, was born.

Flowers is a devout Mormon. He has described his personal faith as a "very important" part of his life. He has joked that "I don't think the make-up would go down so well at church." Flowers has also stated that he does not oppose gay rights, saying "I think everybody should have equal rights." " i moved this from controversies into carear, it doesnt really fit in carear but its better there than controversies--82.35.192.193 (talk) 21:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Good edit. I created a "personal life" section to hold the info. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 21:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Flowers may practice Mormonism, but I think it should be noted that he is not a devout Mormon. He has made it clear in interviews-- see Spin Magazine http://www.spin.com/features/magazine/2004/11/lady_killer_interview_killers_brandon_flowers/ that he smokes and drinks. He also did not get married in the Mormon Temple. I think this should be noted in the article, or at least the word "devout" changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.169.238 (talk) 18:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * According to this recent interview, Flowers defines himself as being a devout Mormon. Pretty interesting read. He named his son after a prophet from the Book of Mormon. Wildroot (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Brandon's cousin
In the articles about Brandon's early life or personal life, someone that is an important part of Brandon is missing. From what I know Brandon's cousin Justin Padleski is very close to him. When Brandon moved back to Las Vegas his junior year of High School he lived with Justin and his family. They have a close relationship that is not mentioned in the article and it should be. Maybe Brandon can add to this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2greeneyes (talk • contribs) 06:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

The "gay" thing
There are three facts here:
 * He favors gay rights, which puts him at odds with his church and makes him a public ally.
 * He is a gay icon within certain communities, with his music touching on some related themes.
 * He is straight and happily married.

If these are mentioned, they must be done in a very fair and explicit way. The Squicks (talk) 02:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Supporting gay rights does not put him in opposition with his church. If he supported gay marriage that would.

It's official
His wife is pregnant again with another son. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17lswllstrt (talk • contribs) 23:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny, I do a google search, and the sources mentioning a pregnancy are from more than a couple years ago, therefore about their existing son. Their official website says nothing about it, either. Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 03:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, of course not (yet)! Anyway, you will believe eventually - at least I made sure some people know about it...

Brandon Flowers: Killer Instinct
[http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/festivals/brandon-flowers-killer-instinct-1815742.html The Killers frontman isn’t afraid to speak his mind, but even after criticising Green Day and U2, he’s still got a legion of high profile fans. Before the band’s headline slot at Oxegen, Ed Power finds out what we love about Brandon Flowers]. Irish Independent–Friday July 10 2009. This may be a useful source for anyone who is interested. -- can  dle • wicke  03:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Brandon says he's straight
I double checked the reference article on him saying he's straight, and he never even says that at all. I'm removing it. Blindeffigy (talk) 11:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Clarks or Hush Puppies?
There seems to be a disputed fact in the article. In the Career section of the article, it said that Keunig's first impression of Flowers was the following: Keuning later stated that his first impression of Flowers was "I thought he had weird shoes... He had the same shoes Oasis had — Clarks!" The article has this source to back it up, and I also found this source. However, anon-user 68.149.117.165 recently pointed out that he wore Hush Puppies, per this source, and I was also able to find this source (as I write this, the quotation above has been changed to stating he wore Hush Puppies). These sources contradict each other, two saying he wore Hush Puppies, and the other two saying he wore Clarks. There are probably more out there. Questions is...which is it? ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 01:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

 * In the meanwhile, I have changed the statement to include neither Hush Puppies or Clarks.

Keuning later stated that his first impression of Flowers was that he was wearing the same shoes Oasis had.
 * Thanks, ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 20:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Son's name
The name Ammon might very well be of import to the LDS sect but it is a very common Hebrew name (as is David, or Simon, or Seth) which appears throughout the Old Testament of the Holy Books of Christianity and Judaism; it is nonsense to claim he named his son after an Ammon who appears as a separate entity in the Book of Mormon - that's like saying a Latino member of the LDS who calls his son Jesus does so in honour of the Jesus in the Book of Mormon.Iamlondon (talk) 05:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you've every lived in Utah, you see that a lot of kids out here are named after people in the Book of Mormon. Then again, a lot of kids out here are named after biblical prophets, so I see your point. 174.23.93.50 (talk) 03:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Scotlandforever7, 12 February 2011
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In the portion of the article titled "Early Life", the word "Scottish" is spelled with only one 't' and that makes me sad. Please fix this so I can be less sad.

Scotlandforever7 (talk) 23:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. Thanks. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 00:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Use of the Daily Mail as a reference
The Daily Mail is a tabloid that is not usually considered an RS on Wikipedia, and when a tabloid uses the term "bizarre" to describe the video campaign it comes off as a little POV. I recommend the removal that statement and reference. I wanted to discuss here rather than just revert Good Olfactory. 72Dino (talk) 23:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps: though the DM story did get picked up by a lot of other sources around the world and its story was one of the primary news sources about Flowers' video. The reason I added it is that we do need something in a secondary source about his appearance in the "I am a Mormon" video, otherwise it's just original research. Is there a non-tabloid source about it? Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe this Slate article would be a better source for it?—. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * CNN. 72Dino (talk) 23:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * How do we treat news reporter blogs? Are they considered different than run-of-the-mill blogs? Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * They are different per WP:NEWSBLOG (there's still editorial oversight.) 72Dino (talk) 00:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought they might be treated differently because of that. For this issue—I'm happy, so long as there is a reference. I've included the Slate one, because it focuses on Flowers' video, but I'm fine with other refs being added. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, I'm fine with the Slate ref, too. 72Dino (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Slate article
Related to the section immediately above: a user has stated that the Slate article is degrading to the LDS Church. I don't see anything in the article that I would regard as degrading towards anything or anyone. There is an unfavorable quoted comment by Christopher Hitchens at the beginning, but that's in reference to an entirely different article. What exactly is the concern? And we need a source to avoid original research, as discussed above. Is there a preferable citation that should be used instead? Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I really wish User:Joemeservy would comment here instead of repeatedly reverting the Slate article reference. We discussed the need for the Slate article reference in the section immediately above. It needs to be discussed if there is a perceived problem with it, and a suitable replacement reference suggested. Good Ol’factory (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Good Ol’factory, the video is in and of itself a promotional item made for the purpose of reaching a large audience, which it has. Accordingly, this is a primary source which has been reliably published (by the church).  It contains Flowers' own words about his religiosity and therefore not an independent third party as well as no analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of the material is given.  The article states simply that he was "featured on the church's website in a promotional video".  I see no need for a secondary source.  Also, the secondary source you provided takes aim at the church's political position on same-sex marriage which does not perhaps reflect the best views of Mr. Flowers, since there is no mention of his views personally.  --Joemeservy (talk) 15:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

 * @Joemeservy — You need a better understanding of Wikipedia's citation requirements, including wp:Verifiability, wp:Identifying reliable sources, & especially wp:SECONDARY/wp:USINGPRIMARY. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 16:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

 * @Joemeservy — Out of hand reverts (especially when completely unexplained) to article fixes (which themselves were properly justified and adequately described in edit summaries) that are unrelated to your wp:EDITWAR are nonconstructive and borders on vandalism. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree with 208.81.184.4 on the edit war issue. User:Joemeservy, you have violated WP:3RR a few times in the past day or so. If reported, you can get blocked for doing that. I'm not going to report you if you can understand that you need to stop removing the citation unless a consensus develops here that it should be removed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I believe you are making a mountain out of molehill on this issue. I apologize for any mistakes I made in my means of editing. I am a designated editor for Brandon Flowers' page through his management. This citation is 1) not necessary and 2) unusual in that it is written by a member of the faith who disinherited himself from the church. Can we not come to some sort of compromise here?--Joemeservy (talk) 18:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

 * So, to me it looks like you have a bit of a conflict of interest here, in that you are being "paid to edit", essentially. Regarding your points: (1) actually, it is necessary. We need secondary sources to verify information written on Wikipedia. Including primary sources only (ie, only a link to the video) constitutes a type of original research, which is not the way WP is written. (2) I'm not sure that Haglund's Mormon background means that we shouldn't use the source. The reason we are using it is because it explicitly discusses Flowers's video, which is what we need the source to do. We have lots of sources that are used on WP in articles about Mormons that have been written by former Mormons and current Mormons. Former and current Mormons tend to write about other Mormons. The Slate article might carry with it a particular point of view, but that's the inherent nature of a secondary source. I find it to be reasonable neutral with respect to Flowers's video--it certainly doesn't mock it or imply that it is bizarre, as several other existing secondary sources do (see the above section for a Daily Mail source that was more problematic and objected to by some editors). It's very difficult to find a secondary source that has no point of view, and even if you did find one that you think is neutral, other readers would probably find a point of view to it. I find Haglund generally fair in his treatment of Mormons and Mormon topics--certainly more fair than many other writers out there. Anyway, since what we need is a secondary source, a way around using the Slate article would be to find another neutral, secondary source that discusses Flowers's video. This is the best source I have been able to find, though. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Diff for additional details about COI. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 17:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

 * How do you type that "concerned sound" that Marge from The Simpsons always makes? Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

 * After an exchange at Joemeservy's talk page (permalink), as well as the one for the the IP address I edit from, I am bowing out of any further participation with this article and it's talk page, as well any further communication (direct or indirect) with that user. His words have succeed in effecting a chilling effect. Do what what will with this article, Joemeservy; I will have nothing more to do with this matter. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 19:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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To secure phone numbers shouldn't we just meet up at the house of Blues..lol
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“LDS” vs “Mormon”
@ChristensenMJ you removed an improvement here that helps clarify the sentence to non-mormons. The sentence uses the full name of the church at the start, but in the quote that immediately follows, the religion is referred to as Mormon. Since most people don’t know that Mormons are formally called Latter Day Saints, it improves clarity to have the parenthetical after the church name clarify that “Latter Day Saints” are Mormon. Your edit changes the parenthetical to call the church “LDS”, which is a term that is not used anywhere else in the page.

Why do users need to know that the church is also called “LDS” here? It makes more sense to clarify that Latter Day Saints are also called “Mormon”, as that’s the word the subsequent quote uses. Remember, this isn’t educating people on the history of the Mormons, just clarifying the quote from the article’s subject. Magicmat (talk) 21:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Oops, did the user tag wrong: @ChristensenMJ Magicmat (talk) 21:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, Magicmat. Thanks for the question and your efforts across WP.  As noted in the edit summary, this is simply using WP's manual of style for articles related to the church.  The standard editing uses the full name, as you noted, on first instance.  What follows the full name isn't a quote but is the standard MOS usage for establishing the short name for its use later in the article. I hope that helps some in directing towards the MOS page. ChristensenMJ (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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User:Thoughtcriminal

 * "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"
 * George Orwell, 1984

Thoughtcriminal is a student at the University of Warwick, UK. He (she? it?) discovered Wikipedia around 6 months ago and has been hooked ever since.

He tries (but often fails) to write with clarity and precision, to bring out relevant links between Wikipedia articles, and to help Wikipedia by adding numerous stubs where they seem needed, in the hope that the wonderful wonderful wiki process will result in fuller articles being created.

This is a fairly new account - I have been using Wikipedia without logging in for some months. Most of my older edits will be found under user_talk:62.255.32.13 (although note that this IP is a proxy server shared between thousands of people, so I can only take the credit for a small proportion of those edits).

''This article is a stub. I will come back to expand it later. In the meantime, if you think you can do better, why not have a go yourself?''

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Runaway train (disambiguation)

A runaway train is an uncontrolled train.

Runaway train or Runaway Train may also refer to:

Music

 * "The Runaway Train" (Vernon Dalhart song), 1925
 * "The Runaway Train", a 1956 cover of the Vernon Dalhart song by Michael Holliday, popular on children's radio in the UK.
 * "Runaway Trains", a song by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers from Let Me Up (I've Had Enough), 1987
 * "Runaway Train" (Rosanne Cash song), 1988
 * "Runaway Train" (Elton John and Eric Clapton song), 1992
 * "Runaway Train" (Soul Asylum song), 1992
 * "Runaway Train", a song by Geddy Lee from My Favourite Headache album, 2000
 * Runaway Train (Kid Galahad EP), 2001, or the title song
 * Runaway Train (Oleander EP), 2002, or the title song
 * "Runaway Train", a song by Jamie Scott and the Town, 2007
 * Runaway Train (Crabb Revival album), 2008, or the title song
 * "Runaway Train", a song by Avantasia from The Wicked Symphony album, 2010
 * "Runaway Train", a song by Brad Paisley from Wheelhouse, 2013

Other uses

 * Runaway Train (film), 1985
 * Runaway Train (roller coaster), an amusement ride at Chessington World of Adventures, London
 * The Runaway Train, an audiobook based on the TV series Doctor Who
 * "Runaway Train", a 2001 episode of Johnny Bravo
 * "Runaway Train", an episode of Seconds From Disaster, about the Gare de Lyon rail accident in Paris

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Talk:Runaway train

Shipton-on-Cherwell train crash
The 1874 Shipton-on-Cherwell train crash in Oxford, UK was not related to brake failure as it says in the sub-heading under Incidents. Perhaps it might be best to revise "...involving defective or improperly-set railway brakes..." to "...involving equipment malfunctions..."
 * ☺ Dick Kimball (talk) 13:37, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

On the other hand, The 1874 Shipton-on-Cherwell train crash seems to belong on the Train wreck Wikipedia page. It doesn't seem like this was a Runaway train.
 * ☺ Dick Kimball (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Runaway Train in France
Whoever makes the decisions concerning this page should evaluate this URL for inclusion of a failed brake incident: http://www.thelocal.fr/20151022/runaway-french-train-travels-for-19km-after-hitting-cow
 * ☺ Dick Kimball (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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File:Sci-Fi Lullabies by Suede album coverart.jpg

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Cover of the Suede compilation, "Sci-Fi Lullabies".


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USS Bristol

USS Bristol has been the name of two ships of the United States Navy, named in honor of Rear Admiral Mark Lambert Bristol.

 * USS Bristol (DD-453), a Gleaves-class destroyer commissioned in 1941 and sunk off Algeria in 1943
 * USS Bristol (DD-857), an Allen M. Sumner-class destroyer commissioned in 1945 and served until late 1969 after which it was then transferred to Taiwan

USS Bristol may also refer to:

 * USS Arthur L. Bristol (DE-281), a United States Navy destroyer escort converted during construction into the high-speed transport USS Arthur L. Bristol (APD-97)
 * USS Arthur L. Bristol (APD-97), a United States Navy high-speed transport in commission from 1945 to 1946

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Kamchadals

The Kamchadals (камчадалы) inhabit Kamchatka, Russia. The name "Kamchadal" was applied to the descendants of the local Siberians and aboriginal peoples (the Itelmens, Ainu, Koryaks and Chuvans) who assimilated with the Russians. The descendants of the mixed-blood Russian settlers in 18th-19th century are called Kamchadals these days. The Kamchadals speak Russian with a touch of local dialects of the aboriginal languages of Kamchatka. The Kamchadals engage in fur trading, fishing, market gardening and dairy farming, and are of the Russian Orthodox faith. The Kamchadal language was a Kamchatka creole with Russian and indigenous elements.

History
In 1767 and 1768, a Russian ship brought smallpox to the region for the first time, and it is believed to have killed three fourths of the native population. In the journal of Captain James Cook, "The small  pox  .  .  .  made  its  appearance  in  1767 and  1768. It  was  brought  into  the  country  by  a  Russian  vessel  bound  to  the  Eastern  islands,  for  the  purpose  of  hunting  otters,  foxes,  and  other  animals.  The  person  who  had  in  his  blood  the  fatal  germ  was  a  sailor  from  Okotsk  [sic],  where  he  had  taken remedies  for  the  disorder  previous  to  his  departure;  but  the  recent  marks  of  it  were  visible.  Scarcely  landed,  he  communicated  this  cruel  malady  to  the  poor  Kamchadales,  which  carried  off  three-fourths  of  them." So, Kamchadals as an ethnic group were not numerous after this contact with fur traders.

As a result of the Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1875), the Kuril Islands were handed over to Japan, along with its Ainu subjects. A total of 83 North Kuril Ainu arrived in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky on September 18, 1877 after they decided to remain under Russian rule. They refused the offer by Russian officials to move to new reservations in the Commander Islands. Finally a deal was reached in 1881 and the Ainu decided to settle in the village of Yavin, Kamchatka. In March 1881 the group left Petropavlovsk and started the journey towards Yavin by foot. Four months later, they arrived at their new homes. Another village, Golygino was founded later. Under Soviet rule, both the villages were forced to disband and residents were moved to the Russian dominated Zaporozhye rural settlement in Ust-Bolsheretsky Raion. As a result of intermarriage, the three ethnic groups assimilated to form the Kamchadal community.

According to Alexei Nakamura, Kurile Kamchadals along with Ainu living in Russia are fighting for official recognition. Since the Ainu are not recognized in the official list of the peoples living in Russia, some of them are counted as ethnic Kamchadals.

title: Kamchadals