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"Convicted Fraudster"
I have removed the words "and convicted fraudster" from the first sentence because I believe it portrays a biased point of view. While it is a fact that she was convicted of fraud, calling her a 'fraudster' has a subjectively negative connotation. Furthermore, her fraud conviction is not one of the most notable things she is known for and therefore hardly justifies mention in the first sentence. I think the mention in the last sentence of the introduction (and of course in the more detailed biography) is sufficient. --Audentis (talk) 14:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

The description does not mention that she is a convicted kidnapper either. It would be more balanced if the description of her as an "activist and politician" was expanded to include "murderer, kidnapper and fraudster".Royalcourtier (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Human Rights advocacy
More should be written about Winnie Mandela's legacy of Human Rights® and Social Justice® advocacy.

Specifically, it should cover her brave pioneering of the practice of "necklacing"; wrapping a gasoline-soaked rubber tire around the necks of her political opponents and setting it ablaze.

 * Regardless of the above comment, the article does contain plenty that casts Winnie Mandela in a negative light. There is however relatively little on her importance in the anti-apartheid movement, her role as a populist, her symbolic status (keeping the Mandela name visible while her husband was in prison), and her grass-roots popularity despite the controversies. This deserves more analysis in the article. Because she is both important and controversial, a neutral point of view is vital. Zaian 23:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't feel their is enough coverage of the multiple charges of murder, kidnapping and torture made against Mandela and the subsequent 1997 trial. It was not only one murder/kidnapping. Please see this article which has it's own bibliography for a summary of this period - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.201.155 (talk) 19:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Information Please
If Winnie was born in 1936 and met Nelson in 1957, how can she have been 22 when they met? The citations are all there, but either the BBC, the nndb, or The Guardian must be wrong here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.93.70 (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

More information on her relationship with Mandela is needed. When and how they met, when they were married, ect. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.72.142.250 (talk • contribs) 2 October 2005.

Also, there seems to be an error in the 8th paragraph, which states, "damaging revelations about the Seipei incident during the sittings of the national apple pie headed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu." National apple pie? Which event or political party does this refer to? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.224.211 (talk • contribs) 18 November 2005.

 * The above comment seems bonafide. I am editing out the sentence. /¨Ezeu 01:58, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The "things went horribly wrong" exchange between her and Tutu when she appeared before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission should be mentioned. Zaian 23:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Stompie's Age
Wasn't Stompie 16 years old, not 14? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.42.190.101 (talk) 13:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Mandela: The Authorised Biography
I am trying to expand this article, mainly focusing on the differences between this book and other accounts (books and otherwise) of South Africa throughout this period. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated on the talk page.BillMasen 13:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The book can be cited in further reading section.--Biografer (talk) 01:37, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

How wealthy was she?
I thought that she lived in a government-owned housing project. That ain't wealthy. (I live in the USA which "houses the poor" in government-owned housing projects).HeyYallYo 19:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Did she own land? Did she own gold mines?  What were her assets? I do not nelieve that she had a "wealthy background" of any sort.  HeyYallYo 12:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The inner circles of the ANC are fraught with corruption: or at least as "corruption" is intepreted in refined democracies. Meaning, if it were possible to know what and how much her sources of income are, more criminal charges would likely be raised against her. From the local TV news she appears to live a middle-class life. The question "Did she own gold mines?" is rather stupid - a South African gold mine is a massive industrial operation run by a publically listed company; during apartheid years ownership of mining equities by non-whites was difficult or impossible. However today she may have small equity stakes in a number of enterprises, as do I. It wouldn't be generally available information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulsheer (talk • contribs) 12:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

"former" politician no more
Just to let you know this page is outdated if it claims Ms. Mandela is a "former" politician. When talking about the recent ANC's National Executive Committee (NEC) election, the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7156246.stm) claims that, "The ex-wife of former President Nelson Mandela, Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, emerged top in the NEC vote in the northern town of Polokwane, endorsed by 2,845 of the 3,605 delegates. She has not been active in the ANC since 2003, when she was convicted of fraud." Time to update, registered users. Thank you. 124.86.70.119 (talk) 22:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Stompie!
Where's the mention of her accused involvement with the brutal murder of 14-year old Stompie Moeketsi? Big news that helped sully her career, yes? Then include it... ---32.144.204.190 (talk) 19:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

It was here but it appears to have been whitewashed?!74.74.144.252 (talk) 11:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

 * It is here? Wizzy… ☎ 13:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Opposite Point of View Needed
Consideration should be given to presenting information from Mrs. Mandela's point of view. I find it extremely curious that while her husband, Nelson Mandela, was in prison, she kept him in the spotlight of media attention. Yet, soon after he was released, she was conveniently cast aside.

 * During the years leading up to Mandela's release, Winnie became more and more brutal in her treatment of blacks with whom she disagreed with politically. Mandela rebuked her while he was in jail - criticism which she ignored. Her entourage of thugs (the "soccer club") brutally tortured and killed people. Indeed it could be said that whatever credibility she had previously given the anti-apartheid movement when she was young, had been destroyed by the negative political antics and violent rhetoric of her later years. It is no surprise that Nelson Mandela chose to distance himself from her. The women had become an [REMOVED].

John Paul Parks (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Comments comparing black activists (whatever one thinks about them) to animals is always suspect of racism. I don’t think it is wise to do it.
 * Ceplm (talk) 10:01, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ceplm (talk) 10:01, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

400 days in solitary confinement
An article on Front Row, UK BBC Radio 4, Saturday 23.01.10 just pointed out that the fact she spent 400 days in solitary confinement isn't even mentioned on the wikipedia page :) Might wanna look into that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.206.103 (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Julius Malema
Her connection to Julius Malema is worth mentioning. --196.2.126.175 (talk) 08:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Bias in this and many articles against winnie, the mother of the nation Mandela'
Compared to the white supremacist murderous government that murdered hundreds of thousands in cold blood, deprived the blacks of Africa of liberty, freedom and identity, Winnie is an angel. She kept the flame of freedom alive. She cannot be sullied by the term 'convicted fraudster' and murderer, she lived and was raised amongst white murderous thugs, wearing uniforms and pinstripe suits, killing and torturing millions on daily basis. Compare her with Botha, Ian Smith, De Clerke and others, she is the most innocent of all. His speeches were not controversial, the biased ears of white supremacists were and still are biased. She kept the flame alive, for the so called hero, Nelson Mandela, whose rule has not done anything to change the fabric of life of the black Africans. Soweto and the townships are still the same. So what if a passionate, young woman fulfilled some bodily desires, in secret, while she kept risking life and limb for her husband. She was more loyal to her husband than anyone else could be, even more than himself. Ask all those other woman and men politicians, in washington and London, the John Majors, Kennedys, Schwartzneggers and Edwina Currys of this world, what is it to be living in poverty and oppression, treated less than an animal, beaten, humiliated and murdered with impunity. Once again, such opinions are 'white washing' the life of a great spirit, a great flame for freedom. If mandela were a man, of what the world says he is, he should have stood with his wife, winnie, through thick and thin, as she did, through thick and thin, kept his name alive. Only she did it.

 * If she'd organised death squads to round up and kill pro-apartheid whites I could respect her, if not condone her; but she seems to have spent most of her energy torturing and killing black people as part of a power struggle. That's what history will remember her for. 87.115.187.63 (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Despite this being an old comment, I do agree with some of the OP's sentiments regarding the bias in this article - having gone through it myself. I have just removed a silly tag left by someone when the source stated quite clearly that she was tortured, put in house arrest etc., by the apartheid government. This is just one of many problems that runs the gamut where certain people think that they can use this article to advance their propaganda. Under the heading "Transition to democracy", someone spent half of that section repeating her separation from Mandela and the corruption charges repeated countless times throughout this article rather than discuss what that heading is about. This article is nothing more than a character assassination. I am surprised how experienced editors have allowed this to pass through net. In my opinion, this article should be re-written or reduced to a stub in order to meet Wiki's neutrality policy. I'm tagging this article for lack of neutrality. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 01:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have edited the article, especially the lede to reduce the repetitive anti-Winnie rhetoric, and I am removing the NPOV tag. There may certainly be some redeeming details that can be added about her, and feel free to do so, but the fact that reputable sources have been uniformly ambivalent about her makes me think that your conditions for the removal of the tag will not be met anytime soon. Park3r (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I personally don't think that Wikipedia is a place to discuss racial tensions, but I do appreciate your help in cleaning the thing up a bit.--Biografer (talk) 01:50, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you actually know how many people the "murderous white government killed? Around 21,000, not HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.151.87.115 (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * @Biografer, do enlighten me by showing me which part of my comment discussed racial tension or said anything about race? You were the one who brought up race following my initial comment. I took issue with certain people using this article as a propaganda piece and noted it here having gone through the article myself. If you have something to add in order to improve the article I suggest you do so rather than bringing irrelevant and silly stuff. We all know race is a major part of South Africa's history. However, this is Wikipedia and we have policies in place that we must all abide by. Wiki articles will not be hijacked for propaganda/ silly agendas. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 11:51, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * My bad. I was referring to an anonym comment. :) Nobody is hijacking anything.
 * Responding to another anonym comment: "Do you actually know how many people the "murderous white government killed?" - None. Rwanda genocide was committed by Africans so did many other atrocities such as the rule of Charles Taylor of Liberia that murdered your hundred of thousands.--Biografer (talk) 14:49, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Death
So poorly written but I'll try improving it FYI bookgirl (talk) 18:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

2010 interview with Nadira Naipaul
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 * The point is that the sources contradict each other. Naipaul asserts she interviewed Mandela, and that she said the things quoted in her report. Mandela claims the interview was a "fabrication". They can't both be right, and since Naipaul's published account of their meeting is very detailed I was wondering whether Mandela had offered any evidence or details in support of her own version of events. JezGrove (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * While this discussion should focus on the article, rather the subject, it has to be noted that she had a history of giving interviews, and later repudiating them. The TRC report discusses an interview about the murder of Abu Asvat with a Sunday paper a couple of days after his murder, that she then denied giving at the TRC. The TRC report states that there was a pattern of such denials, and the TRC didn't seem to take her denial seriously (page 572, section 69).  If a reliable secondary source covered this point, it could be incorporated into the article. Park3r (talk) 11:44, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Never First Lady?
Winnie and Nelson Mandela separated in 1992, before Nelson Mandela became President. Their daughter Zindzi accompanied Nelson at his inauguration in 1994. Winnie never acted as First Lady, even though their divorce was only finalized in 1996. Zaian (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * JLo-Watson, can you explain why you think this should be added back? They were estranged during Nelson Mandela's presidency so she never acted in the role of First Lady. Zaian (talk) 07:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Reliable Source stating that she was never First Lady: https://www.iol.co.za/news/opinion/winniemandela-sas-mother-of-the-nation-who-was-never-first-lady-14242652. Quote from Winnie herself, in an interview in 1994 (after Nelson became president): "I am not fighting to be the country’s first lady. In fact, I am not the sort of person to carry beautiful flowers and be an ornament to everyone." Zaian (talk) 12:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Infobox should be of Convicted criminal rather than (or in conjunction with) that of politician
For people who are convicted criminals, there should be a Convicted criminal with the arrest photo, rather than that of the political infobox. What are peoples thoughts. Perhaps we could include both as some other ex-politicians have 132.234.228.144 (talk) 06:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Lead Section and Overall Clarity
Hello! I am a college student who is working to evaluate articles in Wikipedia. Upon reviewing the article and the guidance Wikipedia puts out for evaluating articles, I am recommending that the lead section be revised for this article. Although it provides a lot of comprehensive information, it does not accurately reflect and summarize all of the contents of the article. According to Wikipedia the lead section should provide a brief description of the various sections of the article and not provide information that is not present elsewhere in the article. Madikizela-Mandela's article goes against both of these things and does not provide an overview of her both negative and positive contributions. Additionally, details regarding both her personal life and criminal proceedings are discussed in the lead section that aren't mentioned later in the article (her own children and the murder of Stompie Seipi). I just think she is a really prominent female political and social leader, and her lead should concisely reflect what is described later in the article and would benefit from being revised for clarity. Sek124 (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 * I think the lead covers the important events/accomplishments relevant to Madikizela-Mandela's notability, but it could be more concise and certain details can be moved to later parts of the article. I agree that some info regarding her personal life and criminal proceedings is not discussed later, although Wiki doesn't require all facts in the lead to be repeated later (MOS:LEADREL). 23impartial (talk) 03:08, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

How Stephen got his name
Stephen's class gave an assignment why their parents gave them the names that they did later that day at night Stephen ask his father and his father smile at his son you were named after an important South African who helped to change history who dad? asked Stephen.You were named after Stephen Bantu Biko. Steve Biko was an important leader during the apartheid years,' "Said Stephen'father". What did you do, dad? asked Stephen? He believed that we black South Africans after to solve our own problems in our own way.He started an organization and raised money to end apartheid,' Stephen 's father. What happened to him? asked Stephen. Many of us though he would be the next great leader after president Mandela.But he was arrested, and he was killed in prison. He was a great man." Stephen felt very proud to be named after such an important person in South African history 102.219.24.137 (talk) 14:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Miscellaneous orphaned comments

 * 22 yrs old, cut with bubble butt looking for a daddy  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.115.241 (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Various paragraphs and comments moved from the article ( attributions added ): ''anybody? the hex triplet is pretty much a guess...'' user:Grendelkhan
 * It looks right to me, but I will maybe do some research and see what I can find. norbu 12-20-04

On a browser that supports visual formatting in Cascading Style Sheets, the following box should appear in this color:

 * wrong color, a misunderstanding of the meaning of mauve? Wetman
 * If it is the wrong color, update the color list too, when changing. It looks right to me. norbu 12-20-04

--Phil | Talk 12:41, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

No, the problem is a misunderstanding of the order of the triplet, if you're trying to get blue to dominate then 993366 is backwards. Also 99 is not 1 (16/16), it's essentially 10/16, for 16/16 use ff. Mauve is basically any pastel purple leaning towards blue, you can get a rich mauve with the RGB triple 14,10,16 (in units of sixteenths), e0a0ff in hex.

. For a greyer mauve push up the green a tad more to 14,12,16, e0c0ff. . Vaughan Pratt 19:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I updated the CMYK and HSV values based on the changes Vaughan Pratt made. I also updated List of colors, Template:Shades of red and Template:Shades of violet to reflect the changes. PaleAqua 20:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

How is this word pronounced? Why is it listed as a shade of red, but not blue, when the rgb triple has a higher value for blue?

Pronunciation
The article gives as correct only one pronunciation for mauve (to rhyme with grove, as in French), however, some dictionaries (Merriam-Webster) also contain another pronunciation. What's the wikipedia rule for such things?

 * Policy is to represent all reliably sourced points of view and alternatives. Dicklyon (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

 * The single pronunciation /ˈmoʊv/ is supported by Paul Brians' site, "Common Errors in English Usage."
 * I've enjoyed browsing the site before, but I take issue with its bluntly prescriptivist nature as he usually fails to show his work on how something is "wrong." Prescriptivism in grammar is one thing, applying it to pronunciation in the English language as a whole strikes me as silly. Here, he evidently doesn't like the /mɔv/ pronunciation of mauve. It doesn't matter that it's apparently the predominant American pronunciation. As far as I can tell, he doesn't like it—so it's wrong. Incidently, my dictionary (NOAD2) shows /mɔv/ and /moʊv/ as the U.S. pronunciations, and /məʊv/ as the British pronunciation.— RVJ (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (I get confused by phonetic symbols) I was taught "mawv" by my parents from the north of England, but being brought up in the south heard "moave" more often. I don't know whether it was a regional thing or just them though? Dainamo (talk) 09:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I personally am used to "mawv", and have added it into the article (both are already listed on mauve). It's worth noting that that Paul Brians' site no longer has that pronunciation on it (the whole page is gone, and the new site does not appear to make any claim about its pronunciation). --Pokechu22 (talk) 03:52, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

 * The -au- combination is problematic in English because language-of-origin guides pronunciation. Other words have this problem to— think of “bow” as a noun, then as a verb.  In the case of “mauve,” the word is from mid-1800s French, so the close-to-French -au- would be the one to go with.  The closest thing in English is the “o” in “glove” “love” “above.” They probably should have gone with “move” if it weren’t already taken.Timnmnangers (talk) 00:01, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Kabbalah as Metaphysics?
Metaphysics world seem to be an odd heading for Kabbalah to fall under. Perhaps 'Religion' or, better, 'Occultism'? Rykalski (talk) 10:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

A nonsequitur?
The article currently states: Mauve became very popular in the 1890s and became associated with homosexuality because well known figures in the art world during that decade were gay such as author Oscar Wilde and artist Aubrey Beardsley. Can anyone come up with a clearer (and preferably cited) explanation of what the original writer presumably intended? --Kay Dekker (talk) 20:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

 * For that matter, the Aubrey Beardsley article gives no indication that Beardsley was gay, though it notes that he was closely associated with other prominent people who were. I'd recommend deleting that sentence altogether unless it can be authoritatively cited. 206.208.105.129 (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

#993366 is correct in the original definition of "mauve."
Perhaps the meaning now of the word "mauve" is that of a lighter purple, but the initial definition was of color #993366 when it was introduced to the world of textiles as "mauvine." If anyone has ever seen a zebra malva, it says it all. It is the most popular and prolific of all malva grown in gardens and is, indeed a deep magenta, not a light purple. The reason why mauve is now considered "pinkish," is because the color wound up being more of a wash than a dye. The original piece dyed in mauvine would be the color of the zebra malva (#993366), but when washed over and over, it faded greatly, as they did not have the knowledge or technology to know how to make dyes colorfast and resist bleeding. This "happenstance" occurred very soon after the introduction of the color to the textile world. What probably sealed "mauve's" fate — to be described as this newer definition – is the fact that clothes were treated to do this on purpose, so that the final product was, indeed, the mauve we know today. Within 3 decades of it's introduction, German chemist Paul Bottiger developed and patented colorfast dyes and mauve would forever be known as a light pinkish purple ... more from its reputation rather than its reality. By 1888, when Van Gogh painted "Souvenir de Mauve" (a painting of a pinkish tree, and a double entendre because the painting was a homage to his friend, painter Anton Mauve), the definition of the color was set in stone. Please refer to the Wikipedia photo Malva Sylvestris Zebrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Malva_sylvestris2.jpg). Source: Bright earth: art and the invention of color By Philip Ball. Pookerella (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Contradiction
The article says this:
 * Mauve contains more grey and more blue than a pale tint of magenta.

But the colour value (as well as the colour shown on screen) has it as a bit more on the reddish side, without extra grey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.87.10 (talk) 17:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the colour values and looking at the wrong colour. Just a minute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.87.10 (talk) 17:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Forget it, I was looking at the wrong box.

Deep mauve
Deep mauve is only mentioned parenthetically, with no evidence that there is such a color. Mauve is mentioned in the reference, but not deep mauve.

I don't plan to edit this article as my current focus is on the color lists articles (e.g. List_of_colors:_A–F). I do plan to remove this entry from that list, but if someone does some research and can can find evidence that there is a color by this name, it can be restored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talk • contribs) 13:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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Franz Fuchs

Franz Fuchs (12 December 1949 – 26 February 2000) was an Austrian domestic terrorist who killed four people and injured 15, some seriously, using three improvised explosive devices and 24 mail bombs, which he sent in five waves between 1993 and 1997.

Criminal psychologists characterized Fuchs as a highly intelligent but socially inept loner. He targeted people he considered to be foreigners, or organizations and individuals whom he believed were "friendly to foreigners".

According to a study, Franz Fuchs inspired Pekka Eric-Auvien to kill 8 of his classmates during the Jokela school shooting in Finland in 2007.

Mail bombs and improvised explosive devices
In December 1993 he started his first wave of mailbombs. Early victims were the priest August Janisch (because of his help for refugees), Silvana Meixner (ORF journalist for minorities), and the Mayor of Vienna, Helmut Zilk, who lost a large part of his left hand in the explosion. Other mailbombs which were discovered and neutralized were targeted at Helmut Schüller (humanitarian organisation Caritas), the Green politicians Madeleine Petrovic and Terezija Stoisits, Wolfgang Gombocz and Minister Johanna Dohnal.

While attempting to disarm an improvised explosive device found at a bilingual school in Carinthia, police officer Theo Kelz lost both his hands on 24 August 1994. (Kelz subsequently became the first Austrian to receive a double hand transplant, and made an impressive recovery.)

Franz Fuchs claimed responsibility for his attacks in a letter to the foreign minister of Slovenia in September 1994, in the name of the "Salzburger Eidgenossenschaft – Bajuwarische Befreiungsarmee" (Bavarian Liberation Army). In a number of subsequent letters, he tried to give the impression of a larger organisation with different units. However, from the second wave of mailbombs in October 1994 not a single one went off.

Oberwart attack on Roma
On 5 February 1995, four Romani were killed in Oberwart with a pipe bomb improvised explosive device which was attached to a sign that read "Roma zurück nach Indien" ("Romani back to India"). It was the worst racial terror attack in post-war Austria, and was Fuchs's first fatal attack. The bomb was set to explode at chest-height when someone touched the placard with the message.

The next day in nearby Stinatz, mainly populated by Austrians of Croatian descent, a bomb with a pamphlet "Go back to Dalmatia" wounded a garbage worker.

Between June 1995 and December 1995 he sent three more waves of mailbombs. Wave number three was targeted at TV host Arabella Kiesbauer, Dietrich Szameit (vice-mayor of Lübeck) and a dating agency. Kiesbauer and Szameit did not open their letters themselves and were not hurt. Wave number four was targeted at two medics and a refugee aid worker, Maria Loley. One medic from Syria and Maria Loley were injured; the other mailbomb, targeted at a South Korean medic was discovered and neutralized. Two mailbombs of wave number five detonated early in mailboxes, the remaining two were discovered and neutralized. This was the last incident before Fuchs was arrested.

Arrest, trial and death
At this stage Fuchs had become highly paranoid. On 1 October 1997 near his residence in Gralla, he followed two women in a car who he believed were observing him. When police attempted to question him on what they believed was a routine case of stalking, he produced another improvised explosive device which he had kept in his car, and detonated it in his hands in front of the policemen. His suicide attempt failed, but he lost both hands, and also injured a nearby police officer. Fuchs was arrested without giving further resistance and, after a trial which many in Austria felt had fallen short of making all attempts to uncover deep details, was sentenced to life in prison on 10 March 1999. Through his unruly behavior during the trial, Fuchs had repeatedly forced his removal from court proceedings.

On 26 February 2000, Fuchs was found hanged with the cable of his electric razor in his prison cell at Graz-Karlau Prison. The prison physician determined his death to be a suicide.

Unresolved questions
Although the case was officially closed after Fuchs had been sentenced, and although the "Bavarian Liberation Army" was determined to never have existed as a terrorist organization in the meaning of the term, doubts remained whether Fuchs had actually committed his actions without any support or tacit knowledge from sympathizers.

A thorough search of the two rooms in his parents' house where Fuchs had lived revealed more improvised explosive devices but no traces of the equipment which he would have needed to produce and handle the unstable explosives (including mercury fulminate and nitroglycerol) contained in his improvised explosive devices.

Most of Fuchs' "confession letters" exhibited an aptitude at verbal expression for which he was not known. Some had referred to internal affairs in police procedures that were not accessible to the general public.

Even more doubts remain concerning Fuchs' death. How exactly a man without hands (Fuchs consistently refused having his advanced prosthetic arms fitted to him) and under almost constant video surveillance could accomplish the manipulations required to convert an electric cable into a noose sufficiently robust for suicide by hanging was never properly explained.

Media

 * In 2007, the criminal case was portrayed in the docudrama Franz Fuchs – Ein Patriot, the role of Franz Fuchs was played by Austrian Karl Markovics.
 * In the computer games Hitman: Codename 47 and Hitman: Contracts, the character Frantz Fuchs appears to be based on Franz. Frantz is an Austrian terrorist, who served in Hitlerjugend as a youngster, and is planning to blow up a hotel at which a U.N. peace summit is being held.

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Shotts Bon Accord F.C.

Shotts Bon Accord Football Academy  are a Scottish football club based in the town of Shotts, North Lanarkshire. The club was formed in 1950 and currently competes in the.

History
In 1995 Shotts were suspended from the Central Region of the SJFA for one season, after launching court action against the organisation. The club were re-admitted to its Second Division (the third tier) in the 1996–97 season. Remarkably they won each of the league's three divisions in consecutive seasons upon their readmission.

Shotts have won the Scottish Junior Cup on two occasions, defeating Pumpherston Juniors 2–0 in 1958, and Auchinleck Talbot 2–1 in 2012.

The team have been managed since May 2018 by John McKeown.

Ground
Shotts Bon Accord play at Hannah Park in Shotts. There is a local social club attached.

Also the Motherwell reserve and under-19 teams have played some of their home games at the ground.

The ground was created using local volunteer labour, one of whom - James Hannah - died of thrombosis contracted during the efforts to finish. The park is named in his honour.

As well as being a football stadium, Hannah Park has also been the host venue for the annual Shotts Highland Games.

Current squad
As of 6 August 2023

Honours
Scottish Junior Cup
 * Winners: 1957–58, 2011–12

West of Scotland Cup
 * Winners: 1963–64

Lanarkshire League
 * Champions: 1957–58, 1960–61, 1961–62, 1962–63, 1964–65, 1966–67, 1967–68
 * League Cup winners: 1951–52, 1957–58, 1959–60, 1963–64, 1964–65, 1966–67, 1967–68

Central League
 * Premier Division champions: 1998–99
 * Division One champions: 1987–88, 1997–98
 * Division Two champions: 1996–97
 * C Division champions: 1976–77
 * League Cup winners: 1993–94
 * Sectional League Cup winners: 1984–85, 1988–89, 1997–98, 2010–11
 * Lanarkshire Junior Cup winners: 1960–61, 1962–63
 * Lanarkshire Hozier Cup winners: 1963–64

title: Shotts Bon Accord F.C.