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I would not say, in the intro, that it is "even" the name of a city in New York State. This seems oddly belittling of the capital city of the Empire State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.37.152 (talk) 01:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Warning: most of this text may be copyright violation, quoting John Wilkes, The Illyrians, verbatim. The book is at the library, but I remember lots of these exact sentences.

Though other phrases are interpolations: Wilkes knew better than to call the Liburnians "Illyrians", and I don't remember anything about an Illyrian word "Arba" that meant "dark, wooded". Alexander 007 07:17, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The Illyrian word "Arba" for wooded is connected with the latin "Arbo" wood and possible also connected with the job as a woood chucker. The tribe Albani was also known as Arbanoi, arba and alba have a common origin. Alpine means "forest in the moutain zone" which makes that the word Arba and Alba is connected together. Arba and Alba seam to be a widespread term for the Illyrians, their is also a place in prehistoric time, in Istria, a illyrian twon named Alba. The name for the country Albania cannot be derived from the word meaning white, it comes from the word Alba meaning mountain and Albanians means mountain people, it make sense since Albanians lived mostly in the moutain and in that way preserved their language, also Albania is the most mountain country in the Balkans. --Albanau 16:09, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Many scholars do connect Albania with the root *albho, that originally meant 'white': some scholars say that later on, the word was applied to high mountains, because of the white snow on the mountain tops. That is the theory they have.

The other theory is that Alp- (as in the Alps) meant "high" or "mountain", and is a separate word that doesn't derive from *albho. No one knows yet which theory is correct. These are the two basic theories, and I've seen some other ones too.

The Latin word that you are talking about is Arbor (also, arbos), which meant 'tree' or 'any wooden object' and generally signified 'wood'. The Latin word is of unknown origin: but I haven't seen any scholar connect Illyrian 'arb-' with Latin 'arbor'. Alexander 007 06:43, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Suggestions
I've tweaked the text to make it more transparent to the ordinary Wikipedia reader (me), who, when arriving unprepared at this entry, still needs to know: In general it is a courtesy that one might extend to offer the briefest disambiguation of places and rivers and mountains in Albania: "northwards" "coastal" "on the X River" "nearby"—any little hook for the reader to cling to would help. Our knowledge of Albania's geography is somewhat blurry, remember, and you must be kind.--Wetman 04:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * why there is no mention of Albania of the Caucasus since this is about "the name Albania"
 * "an ancient family epitaph" 3rd cent AD? 10th cent AD? 13th cent AD?
 * "Moreover, Arbanon is just likely to be the name" Arbanon has not previously been mentioned. We miss the connection.
 * "An indication of movement from higher altitudes in a much earlier period has been detected in the distribution of place-names ending in -esh.." What's the connection with "Albania" in this?
 * "Albanian writers such as Budi, Blanco and Bogdano." Not household words. Their full names would be a start. A brief stub for each would very genuinely help too.
 * "Michael Attaliates was first to refer to the Albanoi" how is he the first, all this time after Ptolemy?
 * "descendants of the Arbanitai" None of these designations are Italian, that's for sure.

 * The problems stem from the fact that User:Albanau lifted 90% of the article from John Wilkes' The Illyrians, I believe. I've been picking at Albanau's text over the past few months, making sporadic changes (though I don't know why my User name appears so much in the history when Albanau wrote 90% of it, which was lifted from Wilkes and may even have been copyright violation, as I noted above). I'll try to fix some of the problems over time. Albanau used an anonymous IP when he started the article, but a check of that IP's contributions leaves no doubt that it was Albanau himself. Alexander 007 05:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Albania versus Arbanon
In his Lexicon of the Modern Greek Language (1998), prominent Greek linguist and current Rector of the University of Athens, Professor Georgios Babiniotis states that the two names have been falsely conflated, and in fact do not share the same etymology. He postulates that the ancient name Albania derives from the Latin Albanus (Mons), the name of a mountain in the Italian region of Latium, while on the other hand Arbanitai is a mediaeval term first used many centuries later by the Byzantines to describe the inhabitants of a region in what is today central Albania. There is a gap of several centuries which is simply glossed over in the current and previous versions of the article, and User:Wetman is right to point out that we miss the connection. Is there irrefutable evidence to support the claim that "the Illyrian ethnonyms Albanoi, Arbanitai, and Arbanios are from the same source as Albania, from which is [sic] also derived the modern ethnonyms Albanian, Arvanite, Arber, and Arbëreshë"?--Theathenae 08:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I'm frankly extremely suspicious of Babiniotis' idea [sic]. From what you've said, he doesn't even offer an etymology, he just suggests that they "have been conflated". He's not a crackpot, it seems, so I guess you can work in his suggestion as long as it is specified that it emanates from Babiniotis (it seems). Decius 15:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * His research appears not only "overly far-fetched" but also very subjective.
 * The Illyrian tribe called the Albanoi/Arbanoi lived near Durrës where the modern Albanians were first noted by Byzantines in the Middle ages. Albanau 16:23, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It is very far-fetched. It appears to be just a rhotacism. Alexandru 16:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * from L to R? Albanau 20:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes. The rhotacism of alb- into arv- is attested in such languages as Neapolitan. Alexandru 02:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Instead of resorting to personal abuse in edit summaries, why not provide sources to back up your claim that "most scholars affirm the common origin"? So far we've only seen your rhotacism theory.--Theathenae 08:47, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've read of it in a number of sources, and I will find the sources again. Might even find them in a few minutes if I search on the net. I won't look for the references tonight though, so maybe Albanau or someone else can try to find some. Alexandru 08:54, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * By the way, I still support your compromise proposal in the Arvanites article, but I think that what you did in this article was out of proportion, and once the references are found even you might agree. Alexandru 09:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * All I did was mention a dissenting view, not even my own view, but that of a man who happens to head Greece's oldest and most prestigious university, apart from being the country's leading authority on linguistics. Are you suggesting that being Greek renders one's views irrelevant, and, if so, what does that say about your attitude towards your Greek ancestry, Alexandre?--Theathenae 09:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

majority and minority view
While one could argue whether Bambiniotis is with the majority or the minority view, no-one should label him as a greek propagandist. Stating what one scientist says is according to NPOV and has nothing to do with weasel terms. So, dear Albanau stop vandalising the article. Thanks. +MATIA ☎ 14:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Revision
I don't like this article as it now (13:25, 8 November 2005), and I'm sure no one else does either. The problem goes back to Albanau, who apparently just lifted portions from Wilkes, some other sources, etc., but he didn't distill them properly. I will eventually go get Wilkes and some other books and online sources and see what I can do. Alexander 007 13:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbanon
I need references for the etymology of Arbanon. Many linguists may well agree that Arbanon has the same etymology as Albania and Albanoi. So the argument that "Arvanites derives from Arbanon, not Albania" is rendered moot. For other ethnonyms that may derive from Arbanon, see this interesting link from Encyclopedia Britannica: [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-26398. Alexander 007 16:37, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Well it's common knowledge that Albanians call their language "Shqip" and their country "Shqipëria". These substituted an older set of terms, namely "Arbërisht" or "Arbnisht" for the language and "Arbëria" or "Arbnia" for the country. Until the 11th century the country was called "Illyria", whereas since the 13th century, according to Latin dictionaries, it has been known as "Albania", a term easily related to "Arbnia", which in turn comes from an older term "Albanoi", first mentioned by Ptolemy in the second century as the name of the Illyrian tribe which lived in the north-central area of present day Albania. This is the kind of thing you learn in primary school, every Albanian knows them. Rex(talk)[[Image:Flag of Albania.svg|25px]] 16:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but somebody has to notify Babiniotis (and Theathenae). It was no surprise to me, I'm just glad I found a Britannica reference. Alexander 007 16:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Arbanon is the medieval Greek name for the region and is found in medieval documents which were written in Greek. Imagine this: 2000 years in the future archaeologists find an English newspaper which names the country Finland (and has a map). Would the archaeologists then say that the Finns used to call their country Finland? Wrong, they called it "Suomi". Arbanon is merely what they were called in Greek, not what they called themselves. Therefore, it is of no etymological significance. Rex(talk)[[Image:Flag of Albania.svg|25px]] 17:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not concerned with that. My point is this: the Greek term Arbanon is modified from Illyrian. The Illyrian term Arbanon and Albania probably have the same etymology, because Wilkes and others treat them as both deriving from an Illyrian root, Alb-, Arb-. Simple as that. I wasn't making any other conclusions. Alexander 007 17:07, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Etymology
This is what I want to look further into. It is one thing to say that Arbanitai does not derive from Albania or Albanoi, but in fact from Arbanon (itself a Greek adaptation from Illyrian). It is another thing to say that Arbanon has an etymon that is different from Albania---what is the argument for this latter point? References? Evidence?

I am not concerned much with the statement made by Britannica that Albania or Albanians may derive from Arbanon, though I find it humorous and a good way to counter G.B. and pull the rug from under him. Alexander 007 17:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposal for disambiguation page
I propose to make this article disambiguation page from obvious reasons.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

 * No. "Albania (name)" is a single topic. The topic is the explanation of the different meanings of the name "Albania". They are several different meanings, but the question "what does the name 'Albania' refer to?" is still a single question, hence it can be treated on a single page. The disambiguation page regarding the articles that deal with the actual countries involved already exists, at Albania (disambiguation). We don't need yet another dab page besides that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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Darren Lockyer

Darren James Lockyer (born 24 March 1977) is an Australian television commentator and former professional rugby league footballer. Lockyer was an Australian international and Queensland State representative captain, who played his entire professional career with the Brisbane Broncos.

During his 16-year career he set appearance records for his club, state and country, and also set additional all-time records for most National Rugby League appearances, most State of Origin appearances, most games as captain and most tries for the Australian national team.

As a, Lockyer won three grand finals and one as a five-eighth with the Broncos, a World Cup with Australia, and the Golden Boot Award for the world's best player. He was named in Queensland Rugby League's Team of the Century (1909–2008) at fullback. He switched positions to in 2004 and went on to win a fourth grand final with the Broncos, a further five State of Origin series with Queensland, and a second Golden Boot Award.

Background
Lockyer was born in Brisbane, Queensland. His father, David, played Australian rules football for ten years in Brisbane with Morningside and introduced Darren to the game at four years of age. Two years later, Lockyer started playing Aussie rules for Springwood, finishing runner-up in the best and fairest award in his first season. The following season he won the club's best and fairest award by 17 votes, despite having to travel 800 kilometres every weekend to play when the family moved to the small country town of Wandoan midway through the season. Travelling commitments and a lack of Australian rules football clubs around the Wandoan area forced him to quit the game and take up rugby league.

He played rugby league for school and club in Wandoan for four years before moving to Roma and playing for the Cities Gladiators. He made his first grade debut at 15 and played Five Eight for his Roma club. In 1990 Queensland Rugby League Development Officer, Glenn Bayliss, spotted the young Lockyer while visiting Roma. After returning to Toowoomba he passed on his views on to Brisbane Broncos talent scout Cyril Connell and Connell followed his progress over the next few years. In 1994, he traveled to Ipswich for a junior rugby league carnival where his performance caught the eye of coach Wayne Bennett. After impressing at the carnival, he moved to Brisbane and accepted a $2000 scholarship with the Broncos. In 2011, it was reported that former Parramatta player Steve Ella who was a scout for the club at the time had spoken with the Parramatta board stating that he had seen a young Lockyer at the carnival and that they should sign him. The Parramatta board reportedly knocked back Ella's suggestion. Lockyer later said in an interview that he did speak with Ella about moving to Parramatta saying "Steve Ella was the first guy to come and talk to my family. As a kid you knew the scouts who were watching and I remember the boys from Roma (where Lockyer grew up) would go to Sydney for trials. "It would have been a big move for me at that age and I was always keen to try my luck with the Broncos. It wasn't long after he (Ella) saw me that I got a scholarship with the Broncos and that's how it has played out". He also worked as a bartender at the Broncos Leagues Club to make ends meet. Later that year, he signed a $10,000 playing contract with the Broncos.

Playing career
Lockyer made his professional first-grade debut with the Brisbane Broncos from the bench as an eighteen-year-old in a 60–14 thrashing of the Parramatta Eels in Round 13 of the 1995 ARL season. In this game he threw a try assist to Steve Renouf, a combination which would blossom over the next few seasons. He went on to be named the 1995 Brisbane Broncos season's rookie of the year, playing 11 games at centre, five-eighth and off the bench, scoring 3 tries and kicking 4 goals in a game where primary goal kicker Julian O'Neill was injured. He also kicked the first field goal of his career to clinch a 27–20 win over the Gold Coast Seagulls in Round 21. Lockyer played most of the 1996 ARL season from the interchange bench, but also played fullback, wing, centre and five-eighth, finishing with 20 games played, scoring 7 tries and kicking 13 goals. Unfortunately for the Broncos, they had a rare period of failure, and despite finishing top 4 in both 1995 and 1996, they were unable to win a single finals game across those 2 years.

1997
Lockyer was moved permanently to the position by coach Wayne Bennett at the beginning of the 1997 Super League season, replacing Australian former international winger Willie Carne, who had played fullback for the Broncos in 1996, with Lockyer also taking over the full-time goal kicking duties from Carne. He first gained representative honours for Queensland that season in the second Super League Tri-series match against New South Wales. Lockyer's try-scoring and goal-kicking ability made him the top point-scorer of the 1997 Brisbane Broncos season, and he played a key role in the Broncos side which finished 1st in the Super League table, while also winning the World Club Challenge, the Final being a 36–12 win over the Hunter Mariners. Lockyer won his first finals match as Brisbane dismissed the Cronulla Sharks 34–2, before rematching the Sharks in the Grand Final where the Broncos won a much closer game 26–8. Lockyer kicked 10 goals from 13 attempts across those 2 matches, bringing his season tally to 8 tries and 70 goals. At the end of the 1997 season Lockyer made his international debut when he was selected to play at fullback for Australia in all three games of the Super League Test series against Great Britain in England. He kicked two goals and one field goal during the series, which was won by Australia. Unfortunately, these matches do not count towards his official representative statistics as the IRLF refused to validate Super League internationals as test matches, even though the NRL recognises Super League matches as official first grade appearances.

1998
In the re-unified 1998 NRL season, Lockyer was selected as the Queensland team's fullback and goal-kicker for all three games of their successful 1998 State of Origin series, in which he was the top point-scorer. Lockyer also made his debut for the Australian team against New Zealand, becoming Kangaroo No. 661. His debut game was shocking, making some poor mistakes which led to a 22–16 New Zealand win and the departure of long-time Australian coach Bob Fulton. He was again top point-scorer for Brisbane that year, smashing the club record of 193 for most points in a season by scoring 272, coming from a career high 19 tries and 90 goals. By this time, Lockyer's playing style in attack was already being likened to that of a five-eighth. Despite the competition being unified and ARL powerhouses Newcastle Knights, Sydney City Roosters and Parramatta Eels as well as competition debutants Melbourne Storm having chances to dethrone them, Brisbane finished the season on top of the table, tied record wise with Newcastle but with a nearly 200 point advantage in point differential thanks to a host of big wins, 3 by more than 50 points, as well as a stoic defence which did not concede more than 28 points across both the regular season and finals. Brisbane came into the finals on a 12 game unbeaten streak (11 wins, 1 draw versus Balmain), but were stunned 15–10 against Parramatta in the Major Semi, thrusting them into sudden death football. Lockyer scored his first finals try in the loss, and continued his rich tryscoring form with another in a 30–6 win over Melbourne, before he scored a spectacular hat trick in a 46–18 win over the Roosters to help Brisbane secure second consecutive Grand Final berth. Lockyer started at fullback against the Canterbury Bulldogs, who had qualified despite finishing the regular season in 9th place, and helped the Broncos dismantle them 38–12 to secure the club's 4th premiership. His incredible season saw him earn Dally M Fullback Of The Year honours for the first time. Lockyer made his official State of Origin debut, playing all 3 games in Queensland's series victory. And despite his shocking debut, Lockyer was retained in the Australian squad for their 2 end of season tests against New Zealand, scoring a try in both of Australia's victories.

1999
Lockyer's goal-kicking duties at the Broncos were shifted to teammates Ben Walker and Michael De Vere in 1999. Lockyer was not selected in the first 2 Origin matches, but returned for the 3rd ahead of Robbie O'Davis, whose 22 game suspension the previous season was why Lockyer had been selected. Lockyer scored his first Origin try to help Queensland to a 10-all draw, which was enough for the Maroons to retain the shield. Those first 2 games were the last time where he was overlooked for Queensland, excluding games missed due to injury. Lockyer featured in all 4 of Australia's matches in 1999, and was even sin-binned in the Kangaroos' win against the Kiwis in the final of the post-season 1999 Tri-nations tournament, having scored 2 tries to help them qualify for the match with a big win over Great Britain. Despite Lockyer's individual performance, the year went terribly for the Broncos- the club was only able to salvage 1 win and a draw from their first 10 matches, a situation which worsened when club legend Allan Langer retired midseason. Brisbane sat 17th after 10 games, but 12 wins and a draw from their last 14 matches saw them scrape into the finals, a single point ahead of 9th placed Canberra. Brisbane were drawn the tough task of minor premiers Cronulla in the first week of the finals, and the Sharks gained revenge for 1997 with a 42–20 win to end the Broncos season.

2000
Lockyer played at fullback in all three matches of the 2000 State of Origin series in which Queensland suffered a 3–0 series whitewash by New South Wales. At club level, the Broncos had returned to the top of the NRL thanks to Bennett's new gameplan, and Brisbane ran away with the minor premiership, winning 2 more games on top of 2 more draws than the 2nd placed Roosters, again having the best attack and best defence in the league. Brisbane reversed a 20–6 half time deficit to gain revenge on the Sharks with a 32–20 win, which saw them sent to a Preliminary final showdown against Parramatta, which they won 16–10. Brisbane met the Roosters in the Grand Final, where Lockyer won the Clive Churchill Medal as man of the match in their 14–6 victory. Lockyer, having featured in Australia's 2–0 win over New Zealand and 82–0 battering of Papua New Guinea, Lockyer was selected in Australia's 2000 World Cup squad, playing 5 games including the 40–12 win over New Zealand in the Final. By this time Lockyer was being called the best fullback in the world. Also in 2000 he received the Australian Sports Medal for his contribution to Australia's international standing in the sport of rugby league

2001
Having won the 2000 NRL Premiership, the Broncos traveled to England to play against 2000's Super League V champions, St Helens R.F.C., for the 2001 World Club Challenge, with Lockyer playing at in Brisbane's loss. In March 2001, Lockyer was approached by the Australian Football League club Essendon regarding an unprecedented switch of codes, and was offered a contract subsequent to a successful trial. However Lockyer chose to stay committed to rugby league. Later in 2001, following Queensland captain Gorden Tallis' season-ending neck injury before the second game of the 2001 State of Origin series, the Maroons' captaincy was handed to Lockyer. In the third and deciding game of the series, Lockyer was named man-of-the-match, having scored two tries and kicked four goals to help Queensland to victory. Lockyer's heroic game 3 performance, however, has been overshadowed by the return to State of Origin from Queensland legend Langer after an SOS from coach Bennett. Despite the lack of media coverage, Lockyer was still awarded the Ron McAuliffe Medal as Queensland player of the series. Brisbane started off the 2001 season in the same form they ended 2000, and sat 2nd on the ladder after 19 rounds. But a late season collapse, losing 6 straight to limp into the finals in 5th position. Lockyer was one of Brisbane's best, even during the losing streak, but couldn't prevent a 22–6 loss to Cronulla in the qualifying final. They bounced back against the St George Illawarra Dragons to the tune of 44–28, a game which set the record for highest scoring match in NRL Finals history, before their season came to an end with a 24–16 loss to the minor premiers Parramatta. Lockyer walked away with a bevy of awards for his performances, including Dally M Fullback Of The Year and Dally M Representative Player Of The Year. At the end of the season, Lockyer went on the 2001 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain. He played at fullback in all three Ashes tests, scoring tries in the last two.

2002
Lockyer was Queensland's fullback in all three games of their successful 2002 State of Origin series, playing a key role in the drawn series. Brisbane spent almost the entire 2002 season in the Top 4, finishing in 3rd place, as Lockyer, along with Lote Tuquiri and Chris Walker, led the team in tryscoring. Under the McIntyre system, Brisbane were thrust into sudden death football despite a 24–14 win over the Eels, and a Lockyer try could not prevent them from falling 16–12 to the eventual champion Roosters. Lockyer did, however, win his 3rd and final Dally M Fullback Of The Year award. Lockyer played in all 3 of Australia's end of season tests, scoring 2 tries in Australia's 64–10 flogging of Great Britain.

2003
Lockyer was Queensland's fullback for all three games of their unsuccessful 2003 State of Origin series, scoring a try in the 25–12 Game 1 loss. He was named the 2003 Brisbane Broncos season's best player, as Brisbane endured a 7 game losing streak which saw them slip from 1st to 8th, coinciding with Lockyer missing 4 games, and a 28–18 loss to the eventual premiers, the [Penrith Panthers] in the qualifying final, ending their season. At the end of the 2003 NRL season, the retirement of Australian national captain, Gorden Tallis, from representative football meant that the Kangaroos captaincy was handed to Lockyer shortly before the 2003 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain and France. Lockyer led Australia to victory over Great Britain in what would be the last time rugby league's Ashes series was contested until a projected tour in 2021. In addition he won the first of his Rugby League World Golden Boot Awards for the best international rugby league player that year. He also picked up his 2nd Ron McAuliffe Medal.

2004
For the 2004 Brisbane Broncos season, after the retirement of Ben Ikin, coach Wayne Bennett moved Lockyer, then established as the world's best fullback, to the position where he would get more opportunities with the ball in hand. The Broncos fullback position he left vacated was taken by 17-year-old Karmichael Hunt. Lockyer gained some negative media attention at the start of the 2004 NRL season when he made a careless joke about the Bulldogs' gang rape allegation at a Queensland sports function. Being the Australian captain, Lockyer was rebuked by national officials and quickly apologised for the comment. Despite Lockyer's lack of experience as a five-eighth, he was picked in the position for Queensland (for the final 2 games of the series, after missing Game 1 through injury) and Australia, and remained as captain of both teams. Brisbane again had a great regular season, finishing 3rd, but a 31–14 loss to Melbourne and former assistant coach Craig Bellamy in the qualifying final thrust them into sudden death footy once again. They were drawn to take on Queensland rivals North Queensland Cowboys, a team Brisbane had never lost to. As a positive gesture, Brisbane volunteered to move the home final to the Cowboys' Dairy Farmers Stadium, however the 25,000 Cowboys fans in attendance pushed the Townsville side to a stunning 10–0 upset over the Broncos, in what would be Tallis' last career game. Lockyer collected a host of awards in his first season as five-eighth, including Dally M Five-Eighth Of The Year, the Provan Summons Medal, and the RLIF Back Of The Year for his work in Australia's dominant Tri Nations success. In the final against Great Britain he scored a try and kicked six goals in their 44–4 victory. Also in 2004, during a game for the Broncos, Lockyer took a hit to the throat which caused damage to a small bone in his larynx. This has resulted in his unusually husky-sounding voice, which could be corrected with surgery that Lockyer has so far declined to undergo.

2005
With Gorden Tallis' retirement at the end of the 2004 season, the Broncos' captaincy was passed onto Lockyer in 2005. He also captained Australia at five-eighth in the 2005 ANZAC Test, scoring two tries. Lockyer then captained Queensland at five-eighth in all three games of their unsuccessful 2005 State of Origin series. In 2005 Lockyer was also the Broncos' top point-scorer as they led the comp for a majority of the season, only for 2 losses at the end of the season consigning them to a 3rd place finish. Brisbane would again lose to Melbourne in the qualifying final, this time a 24–18 loss, before losing to the eventual premiers Wests Tigers 34–6 to end a great season on a very disappointing note. However, experienced commentators continued questioning Lockyer's value as a five-eighth during representative matches. He traveled with the Australian national team to Europe for the 2005 Tri-Nations but injured his foot at training and missed the last few games of the tournament, including Australia's stunning 24–0 loss to New Zealand in the final.

2006
After a poor start to the 2006 season following a 36–4 loss to the North Queensland Cowboys at Suncorp Stadium in Round 1, several critics argued that Lockyer should either return to or lose his spot on both the Australian and Queensland squads. There were also rumours that Johnathan Thurston would be chosen as the Queensland five-eighth, with Scott Prince at halfback. However, after the ANZAC Test, in which Lockyer scored two tries in Australia's 50–12 defeat of New Zealand, the critics eased off. Lockyer's performances in the five-eighth position improved greatly in the weeks leading up to the 2006 State of Origin series, resulting in his selection as five-eighth and captain for Game I. Lockyer underwent further criticism when the Maroons lost to the Blues 17–16 after a poor first half. His position was again debated, with new Queensland coach Mal Meninga at one point telling Lockyer he wanted to pick him at fullback for Game 2 (to which Lockyer responded with "pick me at five-eighth, or don't pick me at all"), but strong performances against the Bulldogs and the Warriors resulted in his retention in the Queensland side. Queensland then made an impressive comeback in Origin 2, thumping the Blues 30–6, with Lockyer receiving the Man of the Match award. He was then responsible for sealing the series victory for Queensland in the deciding match. With Queensland down 14–10 with 5 minutes remaining, Lockyer intercepted a pass from NSW player Brett Hodgson and scored the match-winning try. It was Queensland's first outright series victory since 2001 and also stopped New South Wales from achieving their 4th consecutive Origin series win. After the match, Lockyer received the Wally Lewis Medal for player of the series, and also received his third Ron McAuliffe Medal.

Immediately after Queensland's State of Origin success, the Broncos entered a 5-game losing streak, in what Bennett referred to as the "slump that wasn't a slump", but bounced back to comfortably win their final three premiership games of the season. Despite losing to the St George Illawarra Dragons in the first week of the finals, the Broncos rebounded to defeat the Newcastle Knights 50–6. They then won the preliminary final against the Bulldogs 37–20 after trailing 20–6 at half-time, with Lockyer named man of the match. He then steered his team to win the 2006 NRL Grand Final 15–8 over Melbourne, setting up both tries and then kicking a winning field goal in the 73rd minute. This was Lockyer's fourth premiership (and only one as captain), and the Broncos' sixth. Lockyer was also the Broncos' top try-scorer (together with Tame Tupou) for the 2006 season. For his efforts in 2006, Lockyer received his second Dally M Five-Eighth Of The Year and his second Dally M Representative Player Of The Year. Lockyer then captained the Kangaroos to an extra-time victory in the 2006 Tri-nations Final against New Zealand, scoring the match-winning try in Australia's 16–12 victory. In the process, he became the top try-scorer in Tri-Nations history with a tally of 9 tries. In the week leading up to the final, Lockyer was named the Golden Boot Award-winner for international player of the year for the second time. Lockyer was also named Dally M five-eighth and representative player of the year, the Broncos' best back, and people's choice player of the year, as well as being a finalist in the Queensland Sports Star of the Year award. 2006 was arguably Lockyer's finest ever season, as he'd become the first person since Allan Langer (a former teammate) to captain winning teams in the National Rugby League premiership, the State of Origin series, and the Tri-Nations series all in the same year.

2007
Prior to the NRL season the Broncos, under Lockyer, lost the 2007 World Club Challenge to St. Helens. This remains the only major trophy to have eluded him (notwithstanding the Broncos' victory in the Super League World Club Championship tournament of 1997).

In round 1 of the 2007 NRL season, Lockyer injured his right ankle and was initially ruled out for 6 weeks. However, a fortnight later in Round 3, he made a surprise comeback for the Broncos against the Penrith Panthers. Lockyer captained the Australian national team from five-eighth in the 2007 ANZAC Test match against New Zealand, scoring a try in the Kangaroos' 30–6 victory.

During the season at the Broncos' 20-year anniversary celebration, the club announced a list of the 20 best players to play for them to date which included Lockyer.

Lockyer injured his ankle again in Round 9 against the Sharks but he recovered in time to play in Game I of the 2007 State of Origin series and defeat the New South Wales Blues. Lockyer would captain the Maroons in all 3 games as they won their second straight Origin title. In the Round 18 match against North Queensland, Lockyer ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament, with the severity of the injury forcing him out for the rest of the 2007 season. Without him, Brisbane crumbled from 5th to 8th and fell 40–0 to eventual Grand Final winners Melbourne in the qualifying final. Lockyer would still, however, be named Dally M Five-Eighth Of The Year a third time, his second consecutive honour, all 3 coming in a 4 year period. Despite Lockyer was at the time contracted to the Broncos until the end of 2009 when he admitted he that he was interested in playing in the Super League after watching the 2007 Challenge Cup Final at Wembley Stadium, London. On 27 October 2007, Lockyer married Loren Pollock, his girlfriend of three years, coincidentally on the same day his immediate predecessor as Australian Test captain, Andrew Johns also tied the knot.

2008
Lockyer's knee injury was worse than first thought- his decision to play on after the initial ACL rupture resulted in his knee cartilage being damaged, forcing extra surgeries which saw him racing against the clock to start the 2008 NRL season. Ultimately he would line up in a Round 1 win over the Panthers, however the issue lingered, and he missed 6 of Brisbane's first 11 games. Lockyer, eager to tie down an Origin spot, returned in a round 12 clash against the Eels, where he played an instrumental role in Brisbane's last gasp 30–26 win, however another knee injury would see him miss 5 weeks of action- and the entire Origin series. Lockyer returned to full health after Round 18 and helped Brisbane secure 5th on the ladder, and a 24–16 win over Sydney in the qualifying final gave hope that the Lockyer-inspired run of form would continue through September. That hope was renewed when Brisbane led minor premiers Melbourne 14–12 in the dying stages of the Semi-final, only for a late Greg Inglis try to end Brisbane's season- and leave Lockyer showing a rare display of emotion behind the goal line. In August 2008, Lockyer was named in the preliminary 46-man Kangaroos squad for the 2008 World Cup, and in October 2008 he was selected in the final 24-man Australia squad. He was named Australian captain and was considered one of the 2008 World Cup 'Players to Watch' by NRL Live. Lockyer scored two tries and was awarded the player of the match medal in the losing effort against the Kiwis at the World Cup final.

2009
In Round 8, Lockyer played his 300th first grade game, although the occasion was soured by a 28–12 loss to Newcastle during which a section of EnergyAustralia Stadium was left without power at half time. Returning to the Queensland side after a 1 year absence, Lockyer resumed his role as captain and led the Maroons to a record 4th consecutive series victory. Lockyer sustained a knee injury in the dead-rubber Game 3, which sidelined him for 3 weeks. In that time, Brisbane had fallen to 10th on the ladder, but after a then-club record 56–0 drubbing against Canberra in his first game back, Brisbane won 5 straight matches to finish 6th in Ivan Henjak's first year as head coach- and Brisbane's first season coached by someone other than Wayne Bennett, after the supercoach left for the Dragons. Brisbane beat the Titans 40–32 in the qualifying final, tying the record for highest scoring final that they had set in 2001, and set up a semi final showdown with Bennet's Dragons at Suncorp Stadium. Brisbane dominated the minor premiers and advanced to the Preliminary Final with a 24–10 win, but the result was soured by a fractured ankle suffered by Lockyer's halves partner Peter Wallace. The only other halfback on Brisbane's roster was Ben Hunt, who at the time had played just 2 first grade games. They named rookie utility Alex Glenn at halfback, only to move veteran back rower Tonie Carroll into the halves at the last minute. Ultimately, they were probably doomed no matter what they did, as Melbourne ended their season for the third year in a row with a 40–10 rout. During the 2009 Four Nations tournament, in which Lockyer captained Australia to victory, he also broke records for most-capped Australian player and most games for Australia as captain.

2010
Around the start of the 2010 NRL season, there was massive media speculation about whether Lockyer would retire from representative football. He opted to continue making himself available to selectors and continued captaining the Kangaroos, taking Lockyer in 2010, captained Queensland to their record-breaking fifth straight series win. In the series sealing victory in Game II, Lockyer was named Man of the Match. This series highlighted how Lockyer over time; has become more and more effective and comfortable in his game-dominating five-eighth role, despite losing much of his renowned athleticism after his 2007 knee injury. In round 16 Lockyer played his 329th game for the Broncos, breaking Andrew Ettingshausen's record for most games played at a single club. Lockyer suffered a rib injury three weeks out from the finals series with the Broncos teetering in 8th place. Brisbane went on to miss the 8 (finishing 10th) for the first time in 18 years, Lockyer's injury was the main factor in this as he did not play a single game after it and Brisbane failed to win another game. During the end of season 2010 Four Nations tournament, Lockyer broke the Australian national team's all-time try scoring record of 33 set by Ken Irvine, scoring his 34th against Papua New Guinea in Australia's opening match. He was however, unable to secure the trophy for Australia, with New Zealand coming out victors in their third consecutive final of a major tournament against the Kangaroos.

2011
After performing well at Broncos pre-season training in January, Lockyer declared himself available for the full representative football calendar of 2011. On 28 March 2011, Lockyer announced his retirement stating that the 2011 season will be his final year in the National Rugby League after deciding not to go to the Super League with the promoted Widnes Vikings. On 1 May, Lockyer was named captain in the 17-man squad for the annual ANZAC Test Match in his usual position of five-eighth. Lockyer finished his final ANZAC Test match on a good note, leading the Kangaroos to a 20–10 victory, equalling Ruben Wiki's record of 55 Test games at Test level, having a big hand in setting up two tries the first for Billy Slater with a bomb, the second with a pop-pass play to Paul Gallen, ending in the hands of test-debutant and Broncos teammate Jahral Yow Yeh. Lockyer was selected in Game I of the 2011 State of Origin series at five-eighth and as captain, making 34th appearance for Queensland, equalling the all-time record of Allan Langer. Lockyer set up and made the final pass for Billy Slater's match winning try. Darren was selected for the following two games, Game 2, a loss, however led the Maroons to a nail-biting decider win of 34–24; ending his prolific Origin career on a high, with 6-straight series wins and a memorable speech. In Round 22, on 7 August, Lockyer played his all-time record-equalling 349th club game against the New Zealand Warriors at home, Suncorp Stadium. Brisbane won the game 21–20 thanks to a field goal slotted in by halfback Wallace. The following Friday, on 12 August, Lockyer officially broke the record for most NRL games played at 350 with a win over the North Queensland Cowboys in front of a capacity crowd Dairy Farmers Stadium. The NRL's CEO David Gallop presented Lockyer with the match ball afterwards. In the second week of the finals series, Lockyer and the Broncos came up against his former mentor Bennett in a match billed as a farewell for one of the two champions. Lockyer was responsible for putting Ben Teo in for the first try, but with Brisbane up 12–6 and under 10 minutes remaining, Lockyer came too close to a jumping Gerard Beale and collected the knee of the Broncos winger to the face, fracturing his cheekbone. Lockyer played through the pain, but missed a tackle which helped set up a game tying Dragons try through Brett Morris. With the game sent to Golden Point, Lockyer, in what would eventually be the last act of his career, sealed the match for the Broncos with a 30m field goal in the 82nd minute. Lockyer underwent surgery to repair the cheekbone and tried everything to ensure he played the Preliminary Final- even flying from Brisbane to Sydney by helicopter so he could stay at a low altitude. But ultimately, he was forced to pull out from the squad, and watched from the sidelines as Brisbane fell 26–14 to Manly – a team Lockyer had helped Brisbane beat just a month earlier – resulting in the end of his legendary career. He was named the 2011 Brisbane Broncos season's player of the year. On 16 October 2011, he captained Australia to a 42–6 win against New Zealand in his last Test game in Australia at Newcastle's Hunter Stadium. Lockyer ended his career captaining the Australian national team to victory in the 2011 Four Nations. His last match was the Four Nations final at Elland Road against England; he scored a try with the last play of the match, and his final touch was a rather embarrassing one- an unsuccessful conversion attempt from in front of the posts.

Honours and career highlights
In February 2008, Lockyer was named in a list of Australia's 100 Greatest Players (1908–2007) which was commissioned by the NRL and ARL to celebrate the code's centenary year in Australia, the only current player to make the list. In June 2008, he was chosen in the Queensland Rugby League's Team of the Century at fullback.

In 2008, rugby league in Australia's centenary year, Lockyer was named at fullback in the Toowoomba and South West Team of the Century.

In 2011 part of the Warrego Highway between Ipswich and Toowoomba was renamed Darren Lockyer Way in his honour. Also, the Queensland State Government agreed to sculpting a life size bronze statue of Darren Lockyer in honour of his achievements in Queensland Rugby League which since 2012 has been standing next to 'The King', Wally Lewis outside Lang Park.

In 2012 the "Darren Lockyer Limited Edition 6YO Release" was sold by Bundaberg Rum to celebrate his career.

In October 2018, he was inducted into the Sport Australia Hall of Fame.

Brisbane Broncos

 * 3x Dally M. Medal Fullback of the Year: 1998, 2001, 2002
 * 3x Dally M. Medal Five-Eighth of the Year: 2004, 2006, 2007
 * 2x Dally M. Medal Representative Player of the Year: 2001, 2006
 * Clive Churchill Medal Winner 2000
 * First Grade Debut v Eels Round 13, 1995 (Broncos won 60–14).
 * Club Rookie of the Year 1995
 * Member of the 1997 Super League World Club Challenge winning Broncos side (Broncos defeated Hunter Mariners 36–12).
 * Member of the 3rd Broncos Premiership Winning Team in 1997 (Broncos defeated Sharks 26–8, Lockyer scored 5 goals; 10 points).
 * Most points in one season: 272 in 1998
 * Member of the 4th Broncos Premiership Winning Team in 1998 (Broncos defeated Bulldogs 38–12, Lockyer scored 5 goals; 10 points).
 * Member of the 5th Broncos Premiership Winning Team in 2000 (Broncos defeated Roosters 14–6)
 * Club Player of the Year 2002, 2003 and 2011
 * Changed Position from Fullback to Five-Eighth at start of 2004 at request of Wayne Bennett
 * Captain 2005–2011
 * Highest Ever Brisbane Point-Scorer with 1,220 Club Points (as of End of 2007 Season)
 * Club Best Back Award 2001,2002,2003,2006
 * Member of the 6th Broncos Premiership Winning Team in 2006 and also Captain (Broncos defeated Storm 15–8, Lockyer scored 2 goals and 1 field goal).
 * Highest capped Broncos player – 355
 * Most games at a single club – 355

Queensland Maroons
(Correct to 29 July 2011)
 * Played in a record 36 State of Origin Games
 * Man of the Match 3 times (2001,2006,2010)
 * Played 2 Tri-Series Matches for Queensland during the 1997 Super League Season (1 goal; 2 points)
 * Captained in 22 State of Origin Games (second only to Wally Lewis with 30)
 * Wally Lewis Medal for player of the series, 2006
 * Part of the Series Winning Sides in 1998, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011 (also drawn series in 1999 and 2002)
 * Captain of the Series Winning Sides in 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011 (injured for all three games in the 2008 series)

Australian Kangaroos

 * 59 Test matches for Australia
 * Played in 4 test matches during the 1997 Super League Season (2 tries; 2 goals; 1 field goal; 13 points) which the Australian Rugby League does not count towards official test records
 * Australian Kangaroos Captain 2003–2011
 * Record 38 test matches as captain
 * Highest Kangaroos try-Scorer with 35 tries
 * 9 World Cup Matches for Australia
 * 5 Tries and 4 Goals in World Cup Matches
 * Golden Boot Award for International Player of the Year 2003 (while playing fullback)
 * Golden Boot Award for International Player of the Year 2006 (while playing five-eighth)

Post-playing
Lockyer had a second son on 14 January 2012 called Flynn Martin. Lockyer joined the Nine Network's rugby league commentary team in 2012, acting as a sideline commentator. Though opting not to have surgery to remove the chipped bone in his throat, he decided to see a speech therapist to help his tone for TV commentary. Lockyer had a third son born on 29 May 2013 called Hugo David.

In 2012, Lockyer signed a three-year contract with Origin Energy's Australia Pacific coal seam gas (CSG) project. He will be their safety ambassador and also to gain support for a mining operations called Coal Seam gas or CSG. On Origin's website Darren is investigating the coal seam gas industry for himself. He talks to paid employees and also talks to a farmer that are also making large amount of money from CSG Mining.

Lockyer currently serves as Head of Business Affairs at Mayur Resources, a Brisbane-based energy and minerals company with activities in Papua New Guinea.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Ladanyi

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 09:21, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

Thomas Ladanyi
Seems to be for real rather than vanity, but still only gets about 90 google hits once the versions of the wiki stub are removed. This either needs deletion or proof of notability (and subsequent article expansion). Grutness|hello? 07:07, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy? Delete/Speedy Delete, as above. Strange, when I Googled it I only got 33 results, one of them the Wiki page! He seems to be a real person, but, um, not really noteworthy. Master Thief Garrett 07:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should explain - I got 90 for "Thomas Ladanyi"+Constitution after getting far fewer for "Thomas A Ladanyi". Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 00:38, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense now. But even so, still not noteworthy. Master Thief Garrett 01:14, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. Megan1967 06:30, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Vegavis iaai

A duck, or a bird/dinosaur the size of a duck? Modern bird families didn't appear untill about 10 mya. -Casito⇝Talk 07:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Vegavis iaai was a bird related to ducks... 10 mya? Where did you get that fact? Anseriformes is an ancient bird family.--Jyril 11:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Al Grassby

Misc
So Grassby was born Grassby and then changed his name to emphasize his Irish heritage. What did he change it to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.114.71 (talk) 21:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The article says that Grassby "banned racially selected sporting teams from playing in Australia and repealed the law that required indigenous Australians to seek permission before going overseas." Could we see some sources for these claims? Adam 07:10, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This obituary in the Sunday Times restates the claim about the exclusion of racially selected sporting teams from Australia. Racismnoway dot com dot au - fact sheet on Grassby includes both assertions. This "Author CV" from upstatrs dot net dot au - whoever they might be also includes the claims.

The Whitlam institute - summary of claims from the first year includes mention of the sporting teams. The National Archives site on Cabinet papers of 1973 indexes the repeal of section 64. --AYArktos 07:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm amazed that the law was still on the books. Adam 13:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I had a look at it. The law said that permission was needed for an Aboriginal person "subject to control" under state law (i.e. was a ward of the state) to leave the country. The Cabinet papers ALSO say that all such control laws had been repealed in every state and territory (i.e. no aboriginals in the country were subject to them: hence no aboriginals needed official permission to leave the country) and hence the law as obsolete, as it actually affected no one! Given Grassby's notability on things which actually DID change things that were real, why make such a fuss about a law which didn't apply to anyone at all at the time? It was of no more than symbolic significance, and very few people, including the aboriginal population, would likely have even been aware of it. Plenty of amendments, repeals etc take place in Parliament all the time. Why make such a great deal about this one? It is an insignificant part of Grassby's career. It would be like the US Congress passing a law saying that Slaves have human rights, when slavery no longer legally exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.78.193 (talk) 09:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

In light of the recent allegations about Grassby that have been aired in most major newspapers, it would probably be a good idea to update this. Ambi 11:16, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Grassby and the Mafia
As Grassby was cleared of all allegations, and there was no evidence that he was anything more than naive when it came to local ALP members, I don't think the last section is particularly appropriate. Can it be changed to a more balanced round-up? 61.68.41.61 12:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

These allegations were made in a major newspaper and can't just be ignored. What is your source for saying he was cleared of all allegations? I agree the last bit about his personal life should be deleted, but the mafia stuff relates to his his public life and is on the public record and I think will have to stay. Adam 13:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Wayne Sievers
I removed this edit, which appears to be a continuation of that editor's self-promotion activities. His entire edit history is devoted to Wayne Sievers. Whatever the merits of Sievers' article, his name certainly doesn't belong in Grassby's article. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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Correct statue construction date
The ACT government's statue is (at the time of writing) noted to have been constructed in 2009, even though Hansard records suggest it happened sometime between March and December 2007. I am updating the date to match. Trickypr (talk) 06:31, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:List of banned video games by country

Duke Nukem 3D
Duke Nukem 3D was not banned in Brazil! I'm Brazilian and I bought a copy of it when it came out!

Saudi Arabia
I did some unsourced changes in Saudi Arabia. I don't have sources, but since I live here, I thought I might correct the info. The Pokemon ban only applied to the Trading Card Games and was short lived. Today, all video game retailers that sell DS games have the Pokemon games. The only two other banned series are God of War and Grand Theft Auto.

Thrill Kill not banned in UK
The game was never completed, it was cancelled by the publishers. No organisation in the UK banned the game.

Danganronpa V3 and South Korea
Danganronpa V3 wasn't banned for the gruesome murder, it was because it just went too far, a game about gruesome murder among teenagers may have hit too close to home for the country.

Brazil Counter-Strike Favela map redirect
Unsure of whether or not this is referring to a specific Favela map from Counter-Strike or the term Favela. The link should be changed to redirect to the Wikipedia Favela page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favela), as the page it is directing to does not exist currently.

INCLUDE VIETNAM PLS!!!!!!!!!
about megaman and others pls 49.149.65.46 (talk) 09:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Ukraine
The linked article citation does not reference anything to do with communism/communist symbols. 94.189.235.90 (talk) 16:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Video Games Banned in Country
Mortal Kombat Series Banned in Japan,Grand Theft Auto Series Banned in USA,Brazil,UK, Australia,Saudi Arabia,Japan, Malaysia,Indonesia Prawira Hendrik (talk) 10:54, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

FO3 is not banned in India
There was discourse about it but it quickly reverted. I've played this on gamepass last year. SuppliedOrange (talk) 15:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


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Wikipedia talk:Historical archive/WikiReader/Best of Wikipedia Feb-March 2004

Questions
If we check and sign off each article, we're just saying it's adequate? And then we'll need to keep an eye on it to ensure it doesn't deteriorate? When or how will articles be converted to PDF? Also, I don't know how to tell what was featured on any given day. Thanks. Maurreen 07:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * To answer your questions from this page... 1. when signing off, yes, we're saying it's adequate, and we'll keep an eye on it. Just mostly as a way to say "yes, this is good enough to include" or "no, we need more work. 2. When will they be converted? Whenever we've approved all the articles, plus have all the other items (ToC, Index, Intro page), all finished. How? Both WikiReader, and wikireader list several different programs for use in this kind of project. I think Openoffice.org might work well. 3. The link for that is this: FA Archive. Lyellin 14:37, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks, I understand the direction a little better now. Maurreen 19:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Articles that are no longer featured
Since there is the ability for some articles to be removed from the Featured Article list (ChrisG just went through and marked those that have been for this time frame), how do we want to handle including these articles? Do we want a missing date in the final copy? Do we not want to include at all? Include with a mention that they are no longer featured? Lyellin 15:09, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Stable versions
You can use Stable versions to select your articles. -- Zondor 14:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


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Cunegundes

Cunegundes may refer to:

 * Cunigunde of Luxembourg (c. 975–1040), also called St. Cunegundes and St. Cunegonda, wife of the Holy Roman Emperor Saint Henry II
 * Kinga of Poland (1234–1292), also known as Saint Cunegundes

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Questions about the deletion of two items under "Hoax allegations" from the "Patterson–Gimlin film" entry
(These items were: "Bigfoot--Sewing It Up" and "Ben River.") Their deletion doesn't show up atop the History page--why not? Who did it? ('Tweren't me.)

I can understand what I presume is the rationale for their deletion--they are speculative, partisan claims by non-expert amateurs. And including them opens the door to including a score of similar allegations--not to mention numerous counter allegations of authenticity. Since all can't be accommodated, maybe none should be.

However, the existence of such claims should at least be mentioned in a general, neutral way on wiki, because they are a vital part of getting a better understanding of the PGF topic. So I added 2 sentences under the "Hoax allegations" heading, namely:

"Online, it is possible to find analyses of images from the film that point to certain characteristics as indicative of a costume, or at least as consistent with one. It is also possible to find textual critiques of the statements and behavior of Patterson and Gimlin." RogerKni (talk) 08:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi
Your talk page got me interested -- a message in 2005, and then no more until 2015 -- so I checked your stats (here). Well, what took you so long? =) Welcome aboard... or back... or whatever. Hope the best for you, and see you around I hope, Herostratus (talk) 16:27, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Bigfoot
Nice bibliography! Bishonen | talk 11:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

New footage
Did you see this footage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw54YeCkS3M. Melonkelon (talk) 04:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Melonkelon. Thanks. It reminds me of the unstabilized footage I saw in 1976 in a theater. The jerky footage was easier to dismiss, because it was distracting. (I'm in regular communication with Streufert but he didn't mention this to me. Maybe tomorrow.)

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Thanks for all your hard work on the Patterson-Gimlin film article. - Tim D. Williamson yak-yak 02:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Mail order

Mail order is the buying of goods or services by mail delivery. The buyer places an order for the desired products with the merchant through some remote methods such as:
 * Sending an order form in the mail
 * Placing a telephone call
 * Placing an order with a few travelling agents and paying by installments
 * Filling in a form on a website or mobile app — if the product information is also mainly obtained online rather than via a paper catalogue or via television, this model is online shopping or e-commerce

Then, the products are delivered to the customer. The products are usually delivered directly to an address supplied by the customer, such as a home address, but occasionally the orders are delivered to a nearby retail location for the customer to pick up. Some merchants also allow the goods to be shipped directly to a third party consumer, which is an effective way to send a gift to an out-of-town recipient. Some merchants delivered the goods directly to the customer via their travelling agents.

A mail order catalogue is a publication containing a list of general merchandise from a company. Companies who publish and operate mail order catalogues are referred to as cataloguers within the industry. Cataloguers buy or manufacture goods then market those goods to prospects (prospective customers). Cataloguers may "rent" names from list brokers or cooperative databases. The catalogue itself is published in a similar fashion as any magazine publication and distributed through a variety of means, usually via a postal service and the internet.

Sometimes supermarket products do mail order promotions, whereby people can send in the UPC plus shipping and handling to get a product made especially for the company.

Early catalogues
In 1498, the publisher Aldus Manutius of Venice printed a catalogue of the books he was printing. In 1667, the English gardener William Lucas published a seed catalogue, which he mailed to his customers to inform them of his prices. Catalogues spread to British America, where Benjamin Franklin is believed to have been the first cataloguer. In 1744 he produced a catalogue of scientific and academic books. In 1833, Antonio Fattorini started a mail order watch club in Bradford, which would eventually transform into Empire Stores.

First mail order
The Welsh entrepreneur Pryce Pryce-Jones set up the first mail-order company in 1861. Starting off as an apprentice to a local draper in Newtown, Wales, he took over the business in 1856 and renamed it the Royal Welsh Warehouse, selling local Welsh flannel.

The establishment of the Uniform Penny Post in 1840, and the extension of the railway network, helped Pryce-Jones to eventually turn his small rural concern into a company with global renown. Customers were able to order by mail for the first time—this following the creation of the modern postal service and the invention of the postage stamp (Penny Black) where there was a charge of one penny for carriage and delivery between any two places in the United Kingdom irrespective of distance—and the goods were delivered throughout the UK via the newly created railway system.

In 1861, Pryce-Jones hit upon a unique method of selling his wares. He distributed catalogues of his wares across the country, allowing people to choose the items they wished and order them via post; he would then dispatch the goods to the customer via the railways, promising next-day delivery. It was an ideal way of meeting the needs of customers in isolated rural locations who were either too busy or unable to get into Newtown to shop directly. This was the world's first mail order business, an idea which would change the nature of retail in the coming century.

The further expansion of the railways in the years that followed allowed Pryce Jones to greatly expand his customer base and his business grew rapidly. He supplied his products to an impressive variety of famous clientele, including Florence Nightingale and Queen Victoria, the Princess of Wales and royal households across Europe. He also began exporting drapery to the US and British colonies, amassing 200,000 customers around the UK and the world.

One of his most popular products was the Euklisia Rug, the forerunner of the modern sleeping bag, which Pryce-Jones exported around the world, at one point landing a contract with the Russian Army for 60,000 rugs. By 1880, he had more than 100,000 customers in the UK alone and his success was rewarded in 1887 with a knighthood.

In North America

In 1845, Tiffany's Blue Book was the first mail-order catalogue in the United States.

In 1872, Aaron Montgomery Ward of Chicago produced a mail-order catalogue for his Montgomery Ward mail order business. By buying goods and then reselling them directly to customers, Aaron Montgomery Ward was consequently removing the middlemen at the general store and to the benefit of the customer, lowering the prices drastically.

His first catalogue was a single sheet of paper with a price list, 8 by 12 inches, showing the merchandise for sale and ordering instructions. Montgomery Ward identified a market of merchant-wary farmers in the Midwest. Within two decades, his single-page list of products grew into a 540-page illustrated book selling over 20,000 items.

From about 1921 to 1931, Ward sold prefabricated kit houses, called Wardway Homes, by mail order.

Hammacher Schlemmer is the earliest still surviving mail-order business, established by Alfred Hammacher in New York City in 1848. Offering mechanic's tools and builder's hardware, its first catalogue was published in 1881.

T. Eaton Co. Limited was founded in 1869 in Toronto by Timothy Eaton, an Irish immigrant. The first Eaton's catalogue was a 34-page booklet issued in 1884. As Eaton's grew, so did the catalogue. By 1920, Eaton's operated mail order warehouses in Winnipeg, Toronto and Moncton to serve its catalogue customers. Catalogue order offices were also established throughout the country, with the first opening in Oakville in 1916.

Sears
Richard Warren Sears started a business selling watches through mail order catalogues in Redwood Falls, Minnesota, in 1888. By 1894, the Sears catalogue had grown to 322 pages, featuring sewing machines, bicycles, sporting goods, automobiles (produced from 1905–1915 by Lincoln Motor Car Works of Chicago, not related to the current Ford Motor Company brand of the same name) and a host of other new items.

Organizing the company so it could handle orders on an economical and efficient basis, Chicago clothing manufacturer Julius Rosenwald became a part-owner in 1895. By the following year, dolls, refrigerators, stoves and groceries had been added to the catalog. Sears, Roebuck and Co. soon developed a reputation for high quality products and customer satisfaction. By 1895, the company was producing a 532-page catalogue with the largest variety of items that anybody at the time could have imagined. "In 1893, the sales topped 400,000 dollars. Two years later they exceeded 750,000 dollars."

In 1906 Sears opened its catalogue plant and the Sears Merchandise Building Tower. And by that time, the Sears catalogue had become known in the industry as "the Consumers' Bible". In 1933, Sears, Roebuck and Co. produced the first of its famous Christmas catalogues known as the "Sears Wishbook", a catalogue featuring toys and gifts and separate from the annual Christmas catalogue.

From 1908 to 1940, Sears also sold kit houses by mail order, selling 70,000 to 75,000 such homes, many of which are still lived in today.

Industrialization
By creating a direct marketing industry through the mail order catalogue, Pryce Pryce-Jones and Aaron Montgomery Ward enabled the creation of a powerful global network that came to include everything from mail order, to telemarketing and social media. Mail order changed the worldwide marketplace by introducing the concept of privacy and individuality into the retail industry. Today, the mail order catalogue industry is worth approximately 100 billion dollars and generates over 2 trillion in incremental sales.

Moores
Sir John Moores was a British businessman and philanthropist most famous for the founding of the Littlewoods retail company that was located in Liverpool, England. Moores became a millionaire through the creation of the Littlewood Pool, one of the best-known names in sports gambling in England.

In January 1932, Moores was able to disengage himself sufficiently from the pools to start up Littlewoods Mail Order Store. This was followed on July 6, 1937 by the opening of the first Littlewoods department store in Blackpool. By the time World War II started there were 25 Littlewoods stores across the UK and over 50 by 1952.

The first Littlewoods catalogue was published in May 1932 with 168 pages. Its motta was: "We hoist our Flag in the Port of Supply, and right away we sail to the Ports of Demand—the Homes of the People. We intend to help the homely folk of this country help them to obtain some of the profits made by manufacturing and trading... to save money on things they must have. This Catalogue is our Ship... staffed by an All-British crew... You won't find sleepy, old-fashioned goods carried in the LITTLEWOODS ship. Only the newest of the new goods—honest, British-made merchandise."

With the success of the catalogue business, Moores moved his business four times to larger buildings in 1932. Moores sailed to America to look at the operations of Montgomery Ward and Sears and Roebuck. By 1936, the business had hit the 4 million pound mark, making Moores a millionaire a second time over, by mail order.

Penney
James Cash Penney started his first retail store in 1902 in Kemmerer, Wyoming. By 1925, J.C. Penney had 674 stores generating sales of $91 million. In 1962 J.C. Penney bought Wisconsin based General Merchandise Company with discount stores and a mail-order operation. Thus J.C. Penney entered the mail order catalogue business. J.C. Penney, a latecomer in catalogue operations, was different from many of its competitors because it had a large retail store base before launching into the mail-order business. The first J.C. Penney catalogue was mailed the next year in 1963. Customers could order from the catalogue inside J.C. Penney stores in eight states. The J.C. Penney Catalog Distribution Center was located in Milwaukee.

Catalogues through the ages

Wunderman
Mail order had always relied on the innovative technique of selling products directly to the consumer at appealing prices, but the term "direct marketing" was only coined in 1967, by Lester Wunderman — considered to be the father of contemporary direct marketing. He was behind the creation of the toll-free 1-800 number and numerous mail order based loyalty marketing programs including the Columbia Record Club, the magazine subscription card, and the American Express Customer Rewards program.

Rise of e-commerce
With the invention of the Internet, a company's website became the more usual way to order merchandise for delivery by mail. Unless the retailer provides a paper catalogue from which to order, that is if the products are mainly presented to and searched for by the customer on a web site or mobile app, the term "mail order" is rarely used to describe the ordering of goods over the Internet. It is more usual to refer to this as e-commerce or online shopping. Online shopping allows more detailed information (including audio and video) to be presented, and allows for faster ordering than by mailed form (though phone orders are also common for mail-order catalogues). Most traditional mail order companies now also sell over the Internet, in some cases with a PDF or tablet application which allows shoppers to browse an electronic catalog that resembles a paper one very closely, though by the late 2010s this has become increasingly rare, and product information is presented in a format designed for the Web and mobile apps, rather than a PDF.

Rising paper, printing, and postage costs have caused some traditional catalogue merchants, such as Bloomingdale's, to suspend their printed catalogues and sell only through websites. Also, while some Internet merchants are or were also catalogue merchants, many have never had a printed catalogue.

Catalogue publishing
Year Mail Order Catalogues were founded
 * Tiffany's Blue Book: 1845 (US)
 * Thonet brothers 1859 (GER)
 * Royal Welsh Warehouse 1861 (UK)
 * Montgomery Ward: 1872 (US)
 * FAO Schwarz: 1876 (US)
 * Hammacher Schlemmer: 1881 (US; claims to be the longest-running catalogue in the U.S.)
 * Eaton's: 1884 (Canada)
 * Kastner & Öhler: 1885 (Austria)
 * Sears: 1888 (US)
 * Kays Catalogues: 1889 (UK)
 * Universal Stores: 1900 (UK)
 * Freemans: 1905 (UK)
 * Spiegel Inc. 1905 (US)
 * Empire: 1907 (UK)
 * Grattan: 1912 (UK)
 * Johnson Smith Company: 1907 (US)
 * L.L.Bean: 1912 (US)
 * Lane Bryant: 1917 (US)
 * Eddie Bauer: 1920 (US)
 * La Redoute: 1922 (France)
 * Quelle: 1927 (Germany)
 * SS Adams Company: 1920s (US)
 * Littlewoods: 1932 (UK)
 * 3 Suisses: 1932 (FR)
 * Radio Shack: 1939 (US)
 * Neiman Marcus: 1939 (US)
 * Scholastic: 1940 (US)
 * Vermont Country Store: 1945 (US)
 * Spencer Gifts: 1947 (US)
 * Walter Drake: 1947 (US)
 * Neckermann: 1950 (Germany)
 * Lillian Vernon: 1951 (US)
 * Ikea: 1951
 * Taylor Gifts: 1952 (US)
 * Simpsons-Sears: 1953 (Canada) - a partnership of Sears with the pre-existing Simpson's chain
 * Otto: 1949 (Germany)
 * Columbia Record Club: 1955 (US)
 * Service Merchandise: 1960 (US)
 * Lands' End: 1963 (US)
 * Potpourri Group: 1963 (US)
 * JC Penney: 1963 (US)
 * Quill Corporation: 1963 (US)
 * Lego: 1966
 * Whole Earth Catalog: 1968 (US)
 * Carol Wright Gifts: 1972 (US)
 * Victoria's Secret: 1977 (US)
 * Sharper Image: 1977 (US)
 * Dr Leonard's Healthcare Corp: 1980 (US)
 * Hallmark: 1979 (US)
 * Toys R Us Big Book: 1980 (US)
 * J.Crew: 1983 (US)
 * Archie McPhee: 1984 (US)
 * Next: 1988 (UK)
 * Staples Direct: 1988 (US)
 * Previews/Diamond: 1988 (US)
 * SkyMall: 1990 (US)
 * Scotts of Stow: 1992 (UK)
 * Delia's: 1993 (US)
 * Abercrombie & Fitch: 1997 (US)
 * Urban Outfitters: 2003 (US)
 * Westport Big & Tall: 2006 (US)

Taxes
The objective of the direct marketing industry is to alter the sales distribution chain, in other words [bypass] the wholesaler and the retailer and go directly to the customer, reducing therefore tariffs and taxes.

In the European Union, a "VAT union" is in force: the merchant selling to a buyer in a different EU member country adds the VAT of his own country to the price, and the buyer pays no additional tax. A buyer for resale may deduct that VAT, just as with purchases made within their own country.

Up until June 21, 2018, mail order retailers in the United States operated with the advantage of not being required to collect state sales tax, unless the retailer's business had a physical presence in the customer's state. Instead, most states required the resident purchaser to pay the applicable taxes. In 2018, after the United States Supreme Court heard the case of South Dakota v. Wayfair, Inc. and a five-justice majority overturned Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, ruling that the physical presence rule decided in Quill was "unsound and incorrect" in the current age of Internet services, American e-commerce and mail order retailers began collecting state sales tax on orders.

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Taman Universiti

Taman Universiti is a suburb in Iskandar Puteri, Johor Bahru District, Johor, Malaysia. It is located between Skudai and Pulai.

Universiti Teknologi Malaysia (UTM) is a 5-minute drive away from Taman Universiti, hence the name of the town. The town is dominated by civil servants (lecturers, office workers) and students from UTM. The university alone has 30,000 students who mostly live on campus but visit the town to shop.

Naming of area and roads
The town is divided into 10 areas; Pertanian (meaning agriculture), Penyiaran (broadcasting), Perubatan (medical), Perdagangan (trade), Kebangsaan (national), Kejayaan (success), Kebudayaan (culture), Kemajuan (progress), Kemuliaan (honour), and Pendidikan (education). The word Jalan (street) is added in front of the area name and a number is added after the area name to complete the road system. For example, Jalan Kebangsaan 23. It was named so that all the areas that begin with the letter P are on the West side of the Jalan Pendidikan that is the main road running through Taman Universiti and areas that begin with the letter K on the east side of Jalan Pendidikan.

From this system, the heart of Taman Universiti is located at Pendidikan zone where Aeon Taman Universiti (as known as JUSCO) and most shops are located.

Shop
The first shops opened were two story shop lots. On the 31st of July 2002, JUSCO opened its store in Taman Universiti. This is JUSCO's ninth store in Malaysia and the first in Johor. It has a lettable area of 202000 sqft including 53,000 square feet (5,000 m2) of tenant space. It offers not only shopping but also a place for fun and fine dining for the family.

Education
List of primary schools:
 * Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti 1
 * Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti 2
 * Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti 3
 * Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti 4

List of secondary schools:
 * Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti
 * Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti 2

List of university:
 * Universiti Teknologi Malaysia

Facilities

 * Post Office
 * Sports & Recreational Club
 * Multi-purpose Hall
 * Children's Library
 * Government Clinic
 * Library
 * Fire Station
 * Wet Market

Places of Worship

 * Tan Sri Ainuddin Wahid Mosque
 * Taman Universiti Guan Ti Temple (大学城关帝庙)
 * Er Lang Sern Temple (大学城二郎神庙)
 * Xian Fo Gong Temple (大学城仙佛宫)
 * Sri Maha Mariamman Temple (ஸ்ரீ மஹா மாரியம்மன் ஆலயம்)

Transportation
The area houses the Taman Universiti bus terminal. It is accessible by Muafakat Bus route P201, P202. ,P211, P213 or P214 or Causeway Link bus service T31 from Johor Bahru Sentral Bus Terminal.

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