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Heath Bell

Heath Justin Bell (born September 29, 1977) is an American former professional baseball relief pitcher. As a closer with the San Diego Padres from 2009 to 2011, Bell was a three-time All-Star and twice won the Rolaids Relief Man Award. He was also awarded the Delivery Man of the Year Award and The Sporting News Reliever of the Year Award.

Bell played multiple sports, including baseball, in high school. He moved on to community college, where he was an All-American. He began his professional career with the New York Mets, making his major league debut in 2004, and spending three seasons at both the minor and major league levels. In 2007, he was traded to San Diego, where he was a setup man before replacing Trevor Hoffman as the Padres' closer. From 2010 through 2011, Bell successfully converted 41 straight save opportunities, which tied Hoffman's team record. A free agent after the 2011 season, he signed with the Miami Marlins, and later played with the Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Rays. He retired before the 2015 season.

Early years
Bell was born in Oceanside, California. He attended Columbus Tustin Middle School and Tustin High School in Tustin, California, which is about 50 mi from Oceanside. He lettered in football, basketball, and baseball.

Bell attended Santa Ana College where he was named a freshman All-American in 1997. In 1997 Bell made two appearances in the National Baseball Congress world series while playing for the El Dorado Broncos. He did not give up any runs and was named the league's Graduate of the Year in 2011. He was selected by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays in the 69th round of the 1997 amateur draft, but did not sign.

New York Mets
Bell did not begin his professional career until 1998, when he signed with the New York Mets as an undrafted free agent. He made his major league debut on August 24, 2004, pitching two scoreless innings with three strikeouts against the San Diego Padres. The righty spent the next two seasons shuttling between the Mets and their Triple-A affiliate Norfolk. Bell said coaches in the Mets' minor leagues told him his best opportunity to succeed was to leave the organization as other people did not believe in him.

San Diego Padres
On November 15, 2006, Bell was traded to San Diego, along with pitcher Royce Ring, for outfielder Ben Johnson and relief pitcher Jon Adkins. He was part of the Padres bullpen, where he replaced Scott Linebrink as the 8th inning setup man before Trevor Hoffman closed games. In 2009, Hoffman signed with the Milwaukee Brewers and Bell was promoted to closer. Bell sprints from the bullpen and into a save situation accompanied by the song "Blow Me Away" by Breaking Benjamin. Bell's save situations are referred to by fans as "Bell's Hell", a play on Hoffman's famous "Hells Bells".

In 2009, Bell received the Delivery Man of the Month Award in April after converting all eight of his save opportunities in $8 2/3$ scoreless innings of work while striking out nine batters. He was named to the National League (NL) All-Star Team on July 5. He, along with teammate Adrián González, represented the Padres at the 2009 MLB All-Star Game in St. Louis on July 14. Bell came on in the 8th inning and gave up a triple to Curtis Granderson followed by a sacrifice fly to Adam Jones to make the score 4–3 in the American League's favor; Bell was the losing pitcher in the game. Bell ended the 2009 season leading the National League in saves with 42 in his first year as a full-time closer. He won the NL Rolaids Relief Man Award

In 2010, Bell was named to his second consecutive NL All-Star team in July. Starting May 29, he converted 34 consecutive saves to end the season, the longest streak by a Padres since Hoffman. Bell collected saves on a season-high four consecutive days from August 10–13. For the year, Bell had a career-high 47 saves, which ranked second in MLB and was second in team history behind Hoffman's 53 in 1998. Bell's .940 save percentage (47 of 50) led all of MLB. He did not allow any of his nine inherited runners to score, and he had six saves of more than one inning pitched. Bell won the Delivery Man of the Year Award, The Sporting News NL Reliever of the Year Award, and the NL Rolaids Relief Man Award.

Bell was the highest paid Padres player in 2011 at $7.5 million salary and would be eligible for free agency at the end of the season. He converted his first seven save opportunities of 2011, which tied him with Hoffman for the Padres club record of 41 consecutive successful save conversions. The streak also tied him with Hoffman and Rod Beck for the then-fourth longest in MLB history. Bell blew his next save opportunity, a 3–0 lead, after he opened the ninth inning walking the first two batters, and third baseman Chase Headley made a two-out, two-run throwing error to tie the game. On May 14, Bell recorded his 100th career save in a 9–7 win over the Colorado Rockies. Bell was selected to his third consecutive All-Star game. Entering the game in the eight inning, Bell sprinted from the bullpen and did a slide in front of the pitcher's mound, taking out a chunk of the infield grass and leaving grass stains on his pants. "I wanted the fans to have fun with this", said Bell. With the team 12 games under .500 coming out of the All-Star break, general manager Jed Hoyer said the Padres would pursue a long-term contract with Bell if they did not get a desirable trade offer for him. Ultimately Bell was not traded at the non-waiver trade deadline on July 31, but Hoyer admitted Bell's greatest value to the team might come as a free agent if Bell refuses salary arbitration and signs elsewhere—the Padres would receive two first-round draft picks in June 2012 as compensation. Bell said he planned to accept arbitration from the Padres if they did not agree on a multi-year deal. He finished the season 43 of 48 in save opportunities with a 2.44 ERA, but he struck out less than 30 percent of all opponents’ at-bats for the first time as a Padre.

Bell wanted a three-year contract from the Padres, who instead offered two years with an option for 2014. Talks stalled after Hoyer left the Padres and was replaced by Josh Byrnes as general manager. The Padres offered arbitration, but Bell backed away from his earlier intention to accept arbitration. The Miami Marlins, the Toronto Blue Jays, Boston Red Sox and Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim were also interested in signing him. Bell had a 27–19 record with a 2.53 earned run average and 134 saves in 354 appearances with the Padres over five seasons. His 132 saves in the last three seasons led the majors.

Miami Marlins
On December 5, 2011, Bell signed a three-year, $27 million contract with the Miami Marlins. He was temporarily demoted from the closer role in May after beginning the 2012 season blowing four of his first seven save opportunities with an 0–3 record and an 11.42 ERA in 11 games. Bell said he had been battling an undisclosed personal issue, and he felt "completely lost" in Miami being apart from his family.

On May 11, 2012, Marlins manager Ozzie Guillén placed Bell back to the closer role, and his ERA dropped below 10.00 later that month. He was again demoted after the All-Star break, when he was 2–5 with a 6.75 ERA and six blown saves in 25 opportunities, and Steve Cishek assumed the closer role. Late in the season, a rift between Bell and Guillen developed with each proclaiming waning respect for one another. Bell acknowledged his teammates likely lost respect for him after the incident. Bell had an 0.69 ERA over his last 13 appearances before blowing a 3–0 lead in the eighth inning in his last game of the year. He ended the season 4–5 with a 5.09 ERA and 19-for-27 in save chances.

Arizona Diamondbacks
On October 20, 2012, the Marlins traded Bell to the Arizona Diamondbacks in a three-team trade in which the Marlins acquired minor leaguer Yordy Cabrera. Arizona already had incumbent closer J. J. Putz. The Marlins agreed to pay $8 million of the remaining $21 million still owed Bell over the subsequent two years. He began the season as a middle reliever behind Putz and setup man David Hernandez. On May 8, Bell was promoted to closer after Putz was placed on the disabled list with a strained right elbow.

Tampa Bay Rays
On December 3, 2013, Bell was traded to the Tampa Bay Rays in a three-team deal also involving the Cincinnati Reds. He was designated for assignment on May 4, 2014, before being released on May 11. Bell had a 7.27 ERA in 13 appearances with the Rays.

Baltimore Orioles/New York Yankees
On May 16, 2014, Bell agreed to a minor league deal with the Baltimore Orioles. He appeared in just 10 games for the Triple-A Norfolk Tides before he opted out of his deal on June 8. A few days later, on June 13, he signed a minor league deal with the New York Yankees. On June 24, the Yankees released Bell just 11 days after signing him. He had a 7.50 ERA in six innings (over five games) for the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders.

Retirement
On December 22, 2014, Bell signed a minor league contract with the Washington Nationals that included an invitation to major league spring training, however he was released on March 23. He announced his retirement from baseball the following day.

Bell holds the National League record for consecutive errorless games as a pitcher, 549, which he set while playing for multiple teams during 2004–2013.

In 628.2 innings over 590 appearances, Bell committed only one error in 124 total chances, recording a .992 fielding percentage, 33 points higher than the league average at his position.

Scouting report
Generally a power pitcher, Bell averaged nearly a full strikeout per inning but also proved to be hittable in his 2005 sophomore season allowing 10.8 hits per nine innings and a very high 5.59 earned run average. Bell has a 94–98 mph fastball, usually sitting between 95 and 96. He also has an 11–5 curveball in the low 80s. Keith Law of ESPN wrote in 2011 that Bell had a straight fastball and pitches in the upper half of the zone, and benefited from pitching in the spacious Petco Park as a Padre.

Personal life
Bell is married to Nicole, and they have four children. They reside in Poway in San Diego County. He is the cousin of actor and singer-songwriter Drake Bell, and former basketball player Erik Meek.

Bell joined the Hope For Leadership Foundation, a Christian-based movement that promotes sports and civic programs for inner-city kids.

Bell is known for being a Christian. He participated in a first-person story with Athletes For God, telling the role his faith played in his journey through the minors and major leagues.

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Talk:Talk box

Earlier precedent for use of a talkbox than "the bag" or Heil"
please review this entry, it documents the use of talkbox (verifiable by video) in a song "Forever" by Pete Drake - in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Drake

Removed "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" from list
Someone keeps putting this in talkbox lists on Wikipedia and it's driving me nuts. Daft Punk do NOT use a talkbox, they use a Vocoder (a Korg MS2000 to be precise) - the two are very different things. Davetibbs 12:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

 * This is exactly the problem with WP:LISTCRUFT. I have removed the list entirely since it's a magnet for this type of thing, it's totally unsourced, and the article body already gives good examples. Eleland 16:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

But HBFS does use a Talk Box. Other Daft Punk songs, like Human After All and Prime Time of Your Life use a vocoder but Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger is talk box. Or at least that's what I've heard. Sources anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.11.13.129 (talk) 17:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The song definitely uses a talkbox, not a vocoder, notice when the voice hits the 'lower notes' (i.e. 'Never over') you hear a very crunchy guttural sound. You can't achieve that with vocoders. I happen to own both (a korg MS-2000 and a talkbox) and its obvious which one it used. You may be mixed up as the MS-2000 was used in numerous songs on the album and could have been used as the instrument run through the talkbox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.165.214.193 (talk) 01:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I tend to agree, being familiar personally with talkbox and vocoder use, the sound in HBFS is not acheivable using vocoding. It might actually be instructive to include comparable recordings, I will attempt to provide those at some point in the future.

article makes no sense. whatsoever.
"A talk box works by producing an amplified sound with a horn driver, and directing the sound through a tube. The tube is typically taped to the side of a microphone extending enough to be placed in the performer's mouth. The performer then "shapes" the sound by opening or closing their mouth. The performer can also mouth words, and the resulting effect makes it sound as if the guitar is speaking."

"the" guitar? what guitar? there's been NO mention of a guitar. therefore this description makes no sense at all.

somebody: help it out a little.

anyway, about that talk comment below, "it deserves an entry", that is definitely 100% TRUE. hopefully that was never under serious debate.

Agreed, this description doesn't really make it clear how the talk box works. A clearer definition would be welcome.

I rewrote some of this to hopefully be much clearer.
 * I did understand most of it but I do think it needs to be written so it can be understood by someone who knows nothing of music hardware/effects, or maybe have a shorter paragraph that sums it up in very simple terms. --Fukhed666 07:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

yes
The talk box is a widely used device in music. Though maybe not as notable as a guitar, it nonetheless deserves an entry.

California Love?
I'm pretty sure that 2Pac's "California Love" features a vocoder, not a talk box, but I'm not certain. Can anyone offer more evidence in this matter?

The vocoder/talk box sound produced in "California Love" is performed by Zapp's Roger Troutman. Troutman used a talk box.

It uses a TALKBOX.. Roger Troutman only used a talkbox. Plus you can see him playin' it in the "California Love (Part 2)" video.

Roger Troutman
There should be a bit in here on troutman, he really made the talkbox the mainstay of Zapp. The song "More Bounce to the Ounce" is a great example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK6wOG_aDl8

I also saw in an interview that P-Thugg from Chromeo uses the exact same synthesizer and settings that Roger used to use. Unfortunately I can't remember where I saw this interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.39.44 (talk) 00:59, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Artist wikilinks?
In the list of songs with talk boxes in them, shouldn't someone add wikilinks to the artists- at least? -- DJ Wings-  Freestyle here  17:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Someone should! I took it one step further and merged the artist and song lists - after all, many of the bands mentioned spent 35 of their 40-year careers without using the talkbox. The songs are what matters. I also limited 3 song maximum per artist.

 * I removed these as they were not cited with any song, please re-add them with an example of talk box use (I don't doubt George Clinton but don't know of any talk box song myself):

* George Clinton * Brian May of Queen * Jennifer Batten * Dave Bunce of UPP

 * Arru 14:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Q-united's additions
User:Q-united added this information; I'm relocating it to this Talk page instead: Hi, I've been playing the Talkbox for a couple of years as well as Vocoder. The list mentioned above is correct, exept for Kid Rock - "Only god knows why" which is a vocoder. Since most of the song are not in my favorite genre, i added some more songs which are. How do i know this? 15 years of recearch before i started playing myself. P.S. No samples allowed!

Best regards, Quint Gremmen. (NL)

FUNK / SOUL

The Human Body - (Roger Troutman) - "Freedom", "Truth Be Known".

Bootsy Collins - "#1 Funkateer", + Shine-O-Myte

Stevie Wonder - "Love Having You Around".

Johnny Guitar Watson - "A Real Mother For Ya", "Your Love Is My Love".

The Lafayette Afro Rockband - "Darkest Light", "Scorpion Flower", "Voodounon"

The Isley Brothers - "People Of Today".

Supermax - "Lovemachine".

Chaka Kahn - "Never Be Another Fool" (Prince).

Stanley Clarke - "I Wanna Play For You".

Harvey Mason - "Fair Tee Well".

Soullive - "Romantic", "Back Again".

Slave - "Stellar Funk".

The Wild Magnolias - "Cory Died On The Battlefield", "Smoke My Peace Pipe (Smoke It Right)".

Jestofunk - "Stellar Funk".

ROCK / POP

Lenny Kravits - "God Save Us All".

Solution - "Bad Brakes".

Everlast - "Babylon Feeling".

Manfred Mann's Earth Band - "Don't Kill It Carol".

Scritti Politti - (Roger Troutman) "Boom There She Was".

Foxxy - Get off

ELECTRONIC MUSIC

Dax Riders - (Roger Troutman) "Real Fonky Time", "You Are The Sunshine Of My Life", "Music Paradise".

Lo-Fi Allstars - "Dark Is Easy", "Don't Be Afraid Of Love".

Boom Boom Satelites - "Limbo".

MJ Cole - "Talkbox"

Global Deejays - "Talkbox"

Fatboy Slim - "The Weekend Starts Here".

HIPHOP / R&B (no samples)

Kool Keith - (Roger Troutman) "Master Of The Game".

Mr.Shadow - (Roger Troutman) "Haters".

Scarface - (Roger Troutman 99% sure?) "Untouchable".

Jacky Jasper - (Roger Troutman) "Westside".

Ahmad - (Roger Troutman) "The Jones", "We Want The Funk".

Eazy E. - (Roger Troutman) "Eternal E."

2Pac - (Roger Troutman) - "Playaz Need No love".

Fu-Schnickens - (Roger Troutman) - "Express Yourself".

LBC Crew - (Roger Troutman) - "Beware Of My Crew".

The Click - (Roger Troutman) - "Scandalous".

EPMD - (Roger Troutman) - "Everybody get up".

The Firm - (Roger Troutman) "Five Minutes To Flush`.

Snoop Dogg - "What's My Name".

The Beatnuts - "Buddah In The Air".

Above the Law - "Summer Days", "Apocalypse Now".

Kool G. Rap & CNN - "My Life".

Eric Benét - (Roger Troutman) "If you want me to stay".

H-Town - (Roger Troutman) It's A Thin Line Between Love And Hate".

Nu-Flavor - (Roger Troutman) "Sweet Sexy Thing".

Keith Sweat - (Roger Troutman) "Nobody".

Johnny Gill - (Roger Troutman) "It's Your Body".

Big Bub - (Roger Troutman) "My Way"

Sounds of Blackness - (Roger Troutman) "Hold On".

LSG - "My Body".

I know it's a very late reaction to the questions stated below. But here it is. When i made this list, i upgraded the list that was allready on the talkbox page. This because it consisted mainly out of songs in the rock genre. I took an evening to verify those songs. All of them exept one were correct and with my addition i'm 100% sure that the combined lists covers 95% of all the songs with a talkbox ever recorded. I would not even dare to do this with vocoder songs, because there are way to many of those to catalogue. I made this list only for people who want to know which of the two effects they are listening to.

Q-united 1 September 2006

--Q-united 00:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

(copied here by JHunterJ 00:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

 * Q-united: thank you, that is an awesome list. However, I was wondering before, and even more now, what kind of coverage this list should have. The late 70s and now the 00s has seen a major return of both the vocoder and the talk box. We can't have every song ever listed.
 * So what are the reasons for having the list at all?
 * Providing readers with well known examples so they can figure out how the talk box sounds
 * Providing readers with a variety (many genres) to exemplify the many applications of a talk box
 * Listing bands that are talk box players - this is like 4-5 bands including Peter Frampton and Zapp
 * I didn't know that Roger Troutman had been featured by that many acts, and I think all of them should be listed - but in the Roger Troutman article. What I'm saying is that I appreciate this a lot, and wish to keep all of it, but it has to go into the respective artists pages since this list is already beyond bloated. Are you with me? Arru 15:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The list is extremely bloated and hard to read. I was thinking that it might be better to have a table with the artist, song, and album rather than a huge list of text entries which needs a lot of copyediting in addition to sourcing. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 16:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Unmaintainable list
The list of songs is HUGE, which is no surprise as there are more than two bands in the world with a talk box, and everybody wants their favorite included. Naturally. I've stated some ideas for inclusion above, without any feedback on this I'm going to do a major cut of the list down to 10-20 entries just based on those points and my personal taste soon. Please help me on this! Arru 22:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'd say, to keep it conforming to a strict criterion, take out all artists that only have a single song entry, as a one-off experimental use seems hardly worth mentioning. In fact, I'll do that now.  MightyMoose22 > Abort,  Retry,   Fail? _  22:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Great job! I added Daft Punk as a notable example (after listening through their material and finding that talk box is probably their main robotic effect). On another note, Peter Frampton is perhaps not a regular player, despite having introduced the world to the talk box more or less? Arru 12:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Roger Troutman has done so much with so many people, he could probably justify his own section. "One of the Talk Box's most prolific players, Troutman has performed and recorded with a multitude of acts over the years, such as..." Or maybe it should be saved for his own article, which I have noticed doesn't exist at the moment. What do you think?
 * As for Frampton, at the moment he only has two songs on the list, so maybe something like "although Frampton is somewhat synonymous with the Talk Box (largely due to the success and popularity of Frampton Comes Alive), he uses it on a few songs", or something similar?  MightyMoose22 > Abort,  Retry,   Fail? _  12:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds great about Frampton, go ahead. Weird that Roger Troutman didn't have his own article, would be more logical to have Zapp redirect to him. We could certainly mention a number of songs with Roger Troutman here (covering his long and sadly ended career), and perhaps move them if a proper article on him gets written later. After all, he is the funk talk box player. Arru 08:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In regards to Frampton, he also uses a talk box in a Geico commercial...not sure if it's worth mentioning, but it works as a visual reference to the way a talk box is used. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 16:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

-certainly the list is very long. just thought d add john petrucci "home" metropolis 2, and dimebag darrel "my fear" cant remember the album. i only thought these important because they were 2 of the most significant guitarists of their time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.21.32 (talk) 20:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Missing information...
I'm pretty sure you've missed some of the salient points of the history. In fact, if you watch the commentary on the Frampton: Live in Detroit DVD I'm pretty sure that Pete credits Peter Drake's "I'm Just a Guitar" from 1964 as an early example of a talk box and that he met Peter Drake and begged him to give him one (which Peter Drake apparently denied!) before finding another source for the talk box. This pushes the invention and first use of the talk box well before Bob Heil and Joe Walsh.

Alice in Chains
Er, I'm pretty sure there's no talk box used in Man in the Box by Alice in Chains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX-_0d0xhGU&mode=related&search=

There's some evidence. Well, at least it shows it need not be played with one.

Update to Missing information...
Quoted from: http://www.theguitarfiles.com/guitarfile-print-237.html

''While the vocoder has found its niche among experimental musicians, the talkbox tends to be favored by popular guitarists, who prefer the device's warmer, more expressive sound.

"A vocoder doesn't draw people in as much as a talkbox," Mr. Frampton said. "It's very electronic-sounding, not at all human. Whereas the talkbox is more analog, it relies more on the note you play and the way you move your mouth."

Mr. Frampton was introduced to the talkbox in 1970 during recording sessions for George Harrison's album "All Things Must Pass.'' During a slow moment, Pete Drake, a pedal steel guitarist, pulled out a small handmade wooden talkbox that he had used in the 1960's on a series of "talking steel" hits inspired by Alvino Rey's talking steel records of the 40's.

"All of a sudden the pedal steel started singing to me," Mr. Frampton recalled. "I couldn't get my jaw off the floor."''

Update to Missing Information
The information about Pete Drake pre-dates what I had to say. The History section suggests that the first use of the Talkbox was on 'Rocky Mountain Way' but the first time I ever heard a Talkbox was Iron Butterfly's 1970 album, Metamorphosis on the 13 minute track, 'Butterfly Bleu'. [Response: I saw Iron Butterfly do that song 'Butterfly Bleu', when it was current, on television, during a studio gig with an audience. Mike Pinera, the featured guitarist on that song, was playing with what looked like a large bagpipe bag. I now assume from this article, that was Kustom Electronics' "The Bag" device, contrary to your above statement that you heard a Talkbox on that song. Mike Pinera is still around, according to his Wikipedia page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pinera (to which you can link his name in this article). Therefore, an experienced editor could contact him, to confirm his device choice for that effect on that song. At the same time, for the Wikipedia page of him, and the one of that band, maybe he can be gotten to identify that show, as detailedly as possible, please? Also then, for that page on him, maybe he can be gotten to confirm his choice of which device he used for that effect on the band Ramatam's self-titled album (including the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramatam link), which was his next released such recording, and any other such uses of his, please? Thank you!] [Deletable p.s.: Sorry if this was ramblingly newbie. I remember seeing Alvino Rey and that "singing guitar" bit on the King Family's television show, so thanks for the childhood flashback of that helping get me into guitar.] 68.203.27.62 (talk) 09:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Tool's Adam Jones
I saw tool just last week and Adam definately used a talk box on Jambi but not on Rosetta Stoned, u may have confused it with the vocal distortion/vocoder effect Maynard uses throughout —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.108.5.143 (talk) 11:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Pictures
Umm I have a "Heil Sound Talk" box. I can take some pictures of it and put it up here. That is if you all want any pictures. I'll wait until its discussed before I upload anything. 5150 02:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I know it's a bit late to respond, but... do it! Generally the way things work on this thing, is you do it anyway and see if anyone complains. It's then optional to have a war over it. Upload your pictures, even if they don't end up in the article they'll be in the Commons for all eternity. Since the box is so important to this article, put a pic in where you think best. 188.29.165.51 (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

cars hiss by my window
i'm 99.999% sure this was just jim scat singing. i'm taking it out. 67.172.61.222 23:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Songs featuring a talk box
I think that the list of song featuring a talk box should be placed into separate page. Don't you think so? Geevee (talk) 19:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

 * If no one will object in a week, I'll do it. Geevee (talk) 13:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Done. Geevee (talk) 07:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Joe Walsh and talkboxes
While "Rocky Mountain Way" was probably the first big hit song to feature a talkbox, it's not the first song to use one; in fact, it's not even Joe Walsh's first use of a talkbox. In the guitar tablature book ''Selections from Joe Walsh: Look What I Did! And Then Some...'' (Hal Leonard, 1996, ISBN 0-7935-4471-8), apparently out of print, there is an interview of Walsh by John Stix on page 10 (interviewer's question bolded): "Is 'Here We Go' the first time you used a talk box? Yes, it is. I was introduced to it by Bill West from Nashville. He was Dotty West's husband. Bill invented it a long time ago. He gave it to Pete Drake, who used it on a song called 'Forever,' in the late '50s. Then, nobody used it for a really long time. Bill laid the original one on me onetime[sic] when I was in Nashville. I used it for 'Here We Go.' Later, I used it on 'Rocky Mountain Way.' That's where everybody became aware of it. At some point Peter Frampton asked me about it, and I showed it to him, and he used it on that big album he did. I still have the original. I'm going to give it to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland." Dwarfmuncher 12:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

As a 50 something, I agree that Jo Walsh, especially on Rocky Mountain Way, probably did the most to popularise the Talk Box in the 70s and bring it into the rock mainstream. This was then picked up by Frampton who brought it to a wider 'pop' audience. I feel that the weighting of the article towards Frampton is misleading. [Anon] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.36.22 (talk) 08:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Voice box - an alternative name
I noticed in the album notes for Use Your Illusion I by Guns N' Roses this is called a 'voice box'. Should this be included as an alternative name for the talk box or is it mistakenly named? --Neon white (talk) 17:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I dunno, does it sound like one? Have a listen to some Frampton (purely for research) and see. Note don't make the mistake of listening to the other meaning of "frampton", being the farting noise produced by a lady's front bottom during vigourous intercourse. That will sound nothing alike, or so I hope. 188.29.165.51 (talk) 23:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hillel slovak used talk box for RHCP put that in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.50.73 (talk) 06:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Sonovox
The Sonovox makes an even earlier appearance in the 1940 film "You'll Find Out" starring Kay Kyser and his orchestra, Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff, and Peter Lorre. Lugosi uses the Sonovox to imitate the voice of a dead person during a seance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.211.228.236 (talk) 08:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

How can this be?
From the main article; "Frampton acquired one as a Christmas present from Bob Heil in 1974. It was a hand-built Talk Box in a fiberglass box using a 100-watt high-powered driver. This was the Heil Talk Box used for the Frampton Comes Alive tour and album.[9][10][11][12] He then promptly locked himself away in a practice space for two weeks, and came out with some mastery of it. Frampton used it on his 1975 album Frampton and 1976 album Frampton Comes Alive! and probably incorporated it in live shows as early in his 1969-1971 stint in Humble Pie." How did he play the Talk Box with Humple Pie several years before he obtained one? (122.57.222.233 (talk) 08:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC))

Alvino Rey's carbon mic
A carbon mic can't work in reverse as a speaker. Only a few types of mic can (and generally shouldn't be!).

It is, however, fairly low-resistance and capable of taking a fair amount of power. I can guess, therefore, that he put the mic in series with his guitar's output, so the mic was amplitude-modulating the guitar. Wouldn't sound exactly the same as a talkbox but I can imagine it would be good enough.

Alvino's own article has the same paragraph, except the bit about the mic working as a speaker is not there. I'll go trim it here, too.

188.29.165.241 (talk) 01:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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This page is the target of paid editing, see here. -War wizard90 (talk) 03:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

No mention of "vocoder" in the article?!
Hi there, what's the relationship between the two? Thanks. 146.198.223.71 (talk) 13:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You might want to read the rest of the Talk page. A Talk Box is completely different than a vocoder. It's like wondering why tractors aren't mentioned on a racing car page. Meve Stills (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * They're not completely different; in the end, both devices modify one signal with frequency modulations from a second signal. The two are commonly confused, and the aforementioned rest of the talk page bears that out. I can see the relationship between the two as something a general reader would be interested in. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 02:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sofa. Talk boxes and vocoders are often conflated by the general listening audience, an effect that can be seen in the Notable uses section. Adding a few sentences to distinguish the two is worthwhile. Myconix (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Vocoders in "Notable Uses" section
A lot of the songs in the Notable uses section (e.g. all Daft Punk songs) don't use a talk box. They use a vocoder, which has a similar effect but is completely different mechanically. I've removed the ones that I know for sure aren't talk boxes, however, I can't say for sure about all of them. It might be worth considering to add citations to all of the songs that can be verified, and remove the songs for which verification can't be found. Myconix (talk) 00:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

kinda patchy
This article needs more about the device itself -- makers, construction, technique, mention that overuse of the high-powered boxes was thought to loosen dental fillings, etc. Needs less about the various people who used them, most of whom frankly (sorry) are NOT that "notable". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.176.249 (talk) 03:09, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Notable examples
No mention of Bon Jovi's use on "Livin' on a Prayer" and "It's My Life"? I think slightly younger generations will be more familiar with those than the Frampton tunes.Jules TH 16 (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Totally agree. It was also a bit weird for me reading this article without Richie Sambora and Bon Jovi being mentioned - as very famous and awards winning examples in popular music. Can't believe it's really missed here. 91.193.176.231 (talk) 14:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Also, Mötley Crüe's "Kickstart My Heart". Jules TH 16 (talk) 19:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Where the heck is Richie Sambora?
Can't believe someone removed him, probably the most constant user of talkbox Claudia07822002 (talk) 23:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

 * for real. they gotta put that back in. they should also mention the use of the talk box in "Livin On a Prayer". History fan1234 (talk) 23:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

The "Notable uses" list
The Notable uses section is essentially a very (and therefore, too) long list. Not all its entries are equally notable! Maybe 5 to 7 entries would suffice?

So, some issues for the bulk of this list: yoyo (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Should it become a list article?
 * 2) Would the list be more useful as a table, which would let the reader easily sort it by song name, artist or - if supplied - album or year?
 * 3) Should the list or table have a "genre" field?

 * The guideline for excessive information is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The most important entries should be kept and supplied with more prose context, if possible. Less important entries can be removed. I don't think a table is appropriate because prose descriptions can be much more nuanced. Binksternet (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The right thing to do is to ensure that the list only contains entries with a third-party source showing why the use is notable. There are already examples in the body text (for example, Steely Dan's "Haitian Divorce" is sourced in the body text, yet the list contains "East St. Louis Toodle-oo"). While laborious, this is a good way to filter out personal opinions and is the way that lists of notable people from cities/universities/whatever are usually handled. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 23:44, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poqet PC programming

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete (pending). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 15:18, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Poqet PC programming
Even if a lot of work was done, this would be a how-to guide to programming an obsolete machine. As it is, it is full of vague, generic advice and not much else. Steve.Sc147 18:48, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Delete. -Casito⇝Talk 23:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Mercedes-Benz M275 engine

The Mercedes-Benz M275 (and similar M285) engine is a twin-turbocharged and intercooled, all-aluminium, 60° V12 automobile piston engine family used in the 2000s to the 2010s. It is loosely based on the M137 naturally aspirated V12 sold between 1998 and 2002, and retains its SOHC, 3 valves per cylinder, twin-spark ignition layout, but differs with the addition of structural reinforcements to the engine block for improved rigidity which in turn yields greater reliability. The M275 V12 Bi-Turbo engine was modified with the addition of larger turbochargers. Several variations of the M275 V12 Bi-turbo engine have powered many top-of-the-range Mercedes-Benz and Maybach models since 2003.

M275
Bore and stroke is 82x87 mm giving a displacement of 5513 cc. Power output ranges from 368 kW to 380 kW at 5000 rpm and 800 Nm to 830 Nm of torque at 1800–3500 rpm.

Applications:
 * 2002–2005 S 600 (W220)
 * 2005–2013 S 600 (W221)
 * 2002–2005 CL 600 (C215)
 * 2006–2014 CL 600 (C216)
 * 2003–2011 SL 600 (R230)

M275 AMG
The first V12 from AMG was dubbed M275 AMG - a 5980 cc version, with boost pressure reaching 22.1 psi at maximum, and uses air-to-liquid intercoolers. Bore and stroke are increased to 82.6x93 mm. Output is 450 kW or later 463 kW at 4800–5100 rpm with 1000 Nm of torque at 2000–4000 rpm. It uses an ECI ignition system for the two spark plugs per cylinder, which helps with combustion and to support Ionic current measurement function sequence. The top of the range variant fitted in the SL 65 AMG Black Series, which is equipped with 12% larger turbochargers, generates 670 PS at 4800–5400 rpm and 1200 Nm of torque at 2200–4200 rpm. However, due to the torque abundance to power the rear wheels, the SL65 Black is still limited to 1000 Nm.

Applications:
 * 2003–2005 S 65 AMG (V220)
 * 2005–2013 S 65 AMG (V221)
 * 2003–2005 CL 65 AMG (C215)
 * 2007–2013 CL 65 AMG (C216)
 * 2004–2010 SL 65 AMG (R230)
 * 2008–2009 SL 65 AMG Black Series (R230)
 * 2012–2018 G 65 AMG (W463)
 * 2017–2018 Maybach G 650 Landaulet (W463)
 * 2004 Maybach Exelero
 * 2007 Stola Phalcon (6.3-litre conversion by Brabus)
 * 2005–2012 Maybach 57S and 62S
 * 2006 Fisker Tramonto V12
 * 2005 Laraki Fulgura V12
 * 2011 Maybach 57S Cruisero Coupé by Xenatec

M285/M285 AMG
The M285 and its AMG version of this 5513 cc engine built in Stuttgart, Germany specifically for Maybach badged products. Bore and stroke is 82x87 mm. Output is from 410 kW at 5250 rpm with 900 Nm of torque at 2300-3000 rpm to 463 kW (630 PS; 621 hp) at 5250 rpm with 1000 N·m (764 lb·ft). The cylinders are lined with silicon/aluminium, and uses fracture-split forged steel connecting rods.

Spanish supercar manufacturer Tramontana uses a 5.5-liter, twin-turbocharged M285 AMG engine in its cars. On the top model Tramontana XTR, it produces 653 kW (888 PS; 881 hp) and 1,100 N·m (809 lb·ft). In 2015, the public will be presented a deforced model Tramontana S with a capacity of 580 hp.

Applications:

M285: M285 AMG:
 * 2002–2012 Maybach 57 and 62
 * 2005 Tramontana
 * 2009 Tramontana R
 * 2013 Tramontana XTR
 * 2015 Tramontana S

M158
The M158 is a 5980 cc version based on the M275 AMG. The engine uses smaller twin scroll type turbos (for reduced turbo-lag), a bespoke Bosch ECU, a modified intercooler configuration, and dry sump lubrication. It produces 730 PS at 5800 rpm and 1000 Nm of torque at 2250-4500 rpm. AMG builds this engine specifically for Pagani Automobili for use in the Huayra supercar. Later in BC model, M158 makes 764 PS and 1100 Nm. The Imola variant of the Huayra uses a version of the M158 producing 838 PS and 1100 Nm. The engine is mated to a new 7-speed electrohydraulic automated manual gearbox designed and built by XTrac.

Applications:
 * 2012–present Pagani Huayra
 * 2023–present Pagani Utopia

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Ptychopariida

Ptychopariida is a large, heterogeneous order of trilobite containing some of the most primitive species known. The earliest species occurred in the second half of the Lower Cambrian, and the last species did not survive the Ordovician–Silurian extinction event.

Trilobites have facial sutures that run along the margin of the glabella and/or fixigena to the shoulder point where the cephalon meets the thorax. These sutures outline the cranidium, or the main, central part of the head that does not include the librigena (free cheeks). The eyes are medial along the glabella on the suture line (and some species have no eyes). The fossils of the moults of trilobites can often be told from the fossils of the actual animals by whether the librigena are present. (The librigena, or cheek spines, detach during moulting.) In ptychopariids, short bladelike genal spines are often present on the tips of the librigena.

The thorax is large and is typically made up of eight or more segments. The thorax is usually much longer than the pygidium, which is usually small. In some species the pygidium is outlined with a flat border.

The Subclass Librostoma was recently erected to encompass several related orders, including Ptychopariida, Asaphida, Proetida, Harpetida, and possibly Phacopida. These are now known as the "Librostome Orders". Trilobites of the orders Proetida, Harpetida, and of the family Damesellidae were originally placed in Ptychopariida.

Taxonomy
Suborder Olenina Suborder Ptychopariina Suborder incertae sedis
 * Superfamily Olenoidea
 * Family Ellipsocephaloididae
 * Family Olenidae
 * Superfamily Ellipsocephaloidea
 * Family Agraulidae
 * Family Aldonaiidae
 * Family Bigotinidae
 * Family Chengkouiidae
 * Family Ellipsocephalidae
 * Family Estaingiidae
 * Family Palaeolenidae
 * Family Yunnanocephalidae
 * Superfamily Ptychoparioidea
 * Family Acrocephalitidae
 * Family Alokistocaridae
 * Family Antagmidae
 * Family Asaphiscidae
 * Family Atopidae
 * Family Bolaspididae
 * Family Cedariidae
 * Family Changshaniidae
 * Family Conocoryphidae
 * Family Conokephalinidae
 * Family Crepicephalidae
 * Family Diceratocephalidae
 * Family Elviniidae
 * Family Eulomidae
 * Family Holocephalinidae
 * Family Ignotogregatidae
 * Family Inouyiidae
 * Family Isocolidae
 * Family Kingstoniidae
 * Family Liostracinidae
 * Family Llanoaspididae
 * Family Lonchocephalidae
 * Family Lorenzellidae
 * Family Mapaniidae
 * Family Marjumiidae
 * Family Menomoniidae
 * Family Nepeidae
 * Family Norwoodiidae
 * Family Papyriaspididae
 * Family Phylacteridae
 * Family Proasaphiscidae
 * Family Ptychopariidae
 * Family Shumardiidae
 * Family Solenopleuridae
 * Family Tricrepicephalidae
 * Family Utiidae
 * Family Wuaniidae
 * Superfamily Incertae sedis
 * Genus Tonopahella
 * Family Avoninidae
 * Family Catillicephalidae
 * Family Ityophoridae
 * Family Plethopeltidae

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