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Talk:Chris Pronger

Pronunciation of Name
Is the G supposed to pronounced (like in "finger") or not (like in "singer")? I've heard broadcasters use both terms, and they're not known for being reliable anyway. 70.153.213.68 02:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The 'g' is pronounced like the 'g' in 'finger'...Chris Pron-Gurr — Preceding unsigned comment added by BB Hibou (talk • contribs) 01:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Best player(s) in 2006 NHL playoffs
The current article contains the following statement:

He was also the best players in NHL playoffs in 2006, leading the Oilers to the Stanley Cup Final.

Obviously, this sentence is grammatically incorrect. I would suppose that it was meant to read as:

He was also one of the best players in the 2006 NHL playoffs, leading ...

Unfortunately, someone skimming may read it as:

He was also the best player...

This of course may be held as an opinion, but certainly is not factual. In fact, the Conn Smythe Trophy, which is awarded to the "Most Valuable Player in the Stanley Cup Playoffs" was given to Carolina Hurricanes goalie Cam Ward in 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.33.49.251 (talk) 16:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Unencyclopdic?
"He can use his 6'6" (198 cm) frame to reach pucks and physically dominate the opposition." Writing of this nature should not be in an encylopedia entry.  I'm deleting it.  If someone disagrees, tell me why and then replace it. Sven Erixon 07:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I agree. I was eyeing that before and thinking of removing it.  I left it alone until the vandals finally gave up on this page.  Looks like you just beat me to it. Resolute 02:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Numbers
Check the total amounts of the points for the seniors on the main page since there are many errors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.236.84 (talk) 19:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Like what? The olympic numbers, at least, are accurate according to TSN.ca.  If there are glaring errors, feel free to correct them.  Though I am curious what source you have that indicates an error. Resolute 02:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Weasel Words
My addition of the weasel template was directed at "was considered by some to be impatient and immature." in the first paragraph. Who are these anonymous people? See WP:WEASEL for suggestions. ccwaters 15:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Dunno who these people were at the time, but the reputation appears to have followed Pronger, as it was repeated in an nhl.com article this past June. That said, I am not entirely certain that statement really belongs, as "impatient and immature" could describe many rookie atheletes. Resolute 16:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Trade to Anaheim
Can someone give me more information as to what his wife was bitching about? WTF is so bad about edmonton that she forced Pronger to give up a supporting city and move again. Hopefully it isn't the case of some American Yuppie bitch who can't stand the idea of "snow" in "winter". I would greatly appreciate more links that detail the situation better. HEck, guide me to some message boards or something, i really want to know wtf Mrs. Pronger's problem with Edmonton was. --The Animal 00:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

 * A rumor was floating around blogs that Pronger impregnated a TV journalist. Not verified, not encyclopedic.  All that's known officially is that she was unhappy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.23.129 (talk) 16:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Not to mention, the rumor was false. Christy Chorley put up cease and desist warnings on her website about spreading the rumor.  The real reason was that her wife (and possibly kids) didn't like what Edmonton had to offer.  I am an Oilers fan, and I can't see Pronger throwing away the chance to be on a contending team on his own.  I would live for 5 years in Alaska if it meant I had a chance to get my name on the cup.  Jaskaramdeep 01:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

nickname and birthdate
recent changes by a guy who so far has just been vandal stuff changed the birthdate to dec 10. Those in the know may want to check this. I'd hate to revert it on the chance a random vandal may actually be contributing. He also changed the nickname to something similar to the previous. I don't know if its right or wrong those in the know on this as well may want to look--Xiahou 23:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Both changes are misinformation.  Based on the user's history, deliberate misinformation. Resolute 23:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * no problem glad you knew if right or wrong.--Xiahou 00:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Top Image
We need a better top image here. The back of Pronger's head doesn't seem to good, his face should be shown. GoodDay 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Pronger's mother
Why had someone deleted the information that Pronger's mother is Finnish? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.251.240.113 (talk • contribs). — Preceding undated comment added 12:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I failed to see why that is relevant. It's basically a trivia piece.  Perhaps you could help me understand why it is important to know why Pronger's mother is Finnish? Resolute 14:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

-- Why is important to know that Paul Kariya's father is Japanese, Tiger Woods' mother comes from Thailand or Lewis Hamilton's grandparents are from Grenada? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

I used geolocate and found out your just a proud person from Finland, no offense but Tiger Woods is more important than Chris Pronger and therfore deserves a bigger article.Starwars1791 (talk) 03:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:POV argument, and invalid. Both athletes deserve complete articles.  Size is irrelevant, and so is perceived importance.  FWIW, I've since reversed my opinion on the matter since my original removal.  An individual's immediate ancestry is a useful piece of a complete section on a subject's personal history.  Resolute 05:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Fine--Starwars1791 (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Active NHL players to be a captain of two different NHL teams
I don't think it's necessary to keep track of the active NHL players who are/were captain of two different NHL teams in this article. I suggest the paragraph be simplified to simply say that he has been captain of two teams.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 19:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd have to agree. I'm not a fan of that particular section anyway, as the wording almost seems like it's saying those players serve or served as the captain of two teams at the same time ("one of four currently active players to be a captain of two different teams"). If that particular part of it stays, I'd like to see it changed to say something like "... active players to have served as captain of two different teams ..."  Or maybe it's just me that thought that sentence was strange. Tstreet (talk) 19:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Didn't Scott Niedermayer captain two teams, the New Jersey Devils in 2004 and the Anaheim Ducks in 2006? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.158.85.143 (talk) 11:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Trade To LA?
It Just Said On The Score that Pronger got traded to la for Jack Johnson and a 1st round draft pick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KingRaven44 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing is official yet. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 20:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Both the Kings and Ducks are denying at this point. The Score is working off a rumour, which was based on a remarkably unreliable source.  Best wait for other news outlets to confirm before we begin changing articles. Resolute 20:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also of note, there is a complete roster freeze until the season ends. No trade can possibly be completed until the Cup is won tonight. Resolute 20:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, only teams participating in the playoffs are subject to the roster freeze. Teemu08 (talk) 21:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Injury report: I know he suffered from three separate concussions and says the headaches come and go but I believe it is the injury to his eye that prevents him from playing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plelbcam (talk • contribs) 00:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

2010 Stanley Cup Finals
Some facts for the mathematically challenged editor with an anti-Pronger agenda. He was a +3. Even if he was a -7 as the editor claims, using that to claim the player had a bad series fails to take into account how terrible the Flyers goaltenders were, something which is widely acknowledged as the primary reason the Flyers lost the series. Judging by plus/minus alone game five was Pronger's worst, but look at the save percentages of the goaltenders in that game: .769 and .786. --Parkfly3 (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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Retired? Still under Coyotes contract?
https://www.nhl.com/news/chris-pronger-joins-florida-as-senior-adviser/c-290061428

Unfortunately the article doesn't give enough details for me to edit the article confidently. 86.190.92.75 (talk) 19:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Fiance
For whatever reason, the article makes no mention of the tragic death of his then-fiance in 2009. It was widely reported in the hockey media at the time, and he missed a few weeks' worth of games while recovering from her passing. A quick glance at the article's edit history suggests this information has been added before, only to be quickly reverted by an anonymous user without explanation. It's certainly no less relevant than the other information included in the "Personal life" section. Aoystreck (talk) 23:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Back upside down.
Why is the page backwards? Never seen a summary before the (don't know what it's called) title card/picture and info. AntonFMD (talk) 03:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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Shaw Commission

The Shaw Report, officially the Report of the Commission on the Palestine Disturbances of August 1929, commonly known as the Shaw Commission, was the result of a British commission of inquiry, led by Sir Walter Shaw, established to investigate the violent rioting in Palestine in late August 1929. The commission's report was issued in March 1930 and led to the establishment of the Hope Simpson Enquiry in May 1930.

While the violence was the direct result of an ongoing dispute over the Jews' ability to worship freely at the Western Wall, the Commission concluded that the conflict was not religious in nature, and that the holy site had become a "symbol of racial pride and ambition." It determind that the cause of the violent oubtreak was "racial animosity on the part of the Arabs, consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future." They explained this in the context of increased Jewish immigration and land purchases, which were threatening to produce a significant Arab landless class. This was later reiterated in the Hope Simpson Enquiry and subsequent Passfield white paper, both which called for limited Jewish immigration to Palestine.

Overview
The British Commission of Inquiry was chaired by Sir Walter Shaw, a distinguished jurist, and consisting of three members of the British parliament, Sir Henry Betterton (Conservative), R. Hopkin Morris (Liberal) and Henry Snell (Labour). The aim of the Commission was to look into the reasons for the violent rioting in Palestine in late August 1929, which caused the deaths of 243 Jews and Arabs. The commission of enquiry took public evidence for several weeks, from the first hearing on 25 October to 29 December, hearing 120 witnesses in public testimony, and 20 behind closed doors. Though hearing the claims of both sides, the Commission made its recommendations primarily on the basis of material submitted by Mandatory officials

The Commission addressed two aspects of the disturbances, the immediate nature of the riots and the causes behind them. In the words of Naomi Cohen:-
 * "'Delving beneath the immediate causes – i.e., the Western Wall dispute, inflammatory publications on both sides, the enlargement of the Jewish Agency, inadequate forces to maintain order, the report called attention to the underlying causes of friction in England’s wartime pledges and in the anti-Jewish hostility that had resulted from the political and economic frustrations of the Arabs. It went on to criticise the immigration and land-purchase policies that, it said, gave Jews unfair advantages. The commission also recommended that the British take greater care in protecting the rights and understanding the aspirations of the Arabs. The Shaw report was a blow to Zionists everywhere,’"

It found that the purchase of lands by Jewish Companies had been legal and fair to the tenants, but, at the same time, concluded that there was substance to the Arab claim that Jewish land purchase did constitute a present danger to the Arabs' national survival, since highly productive land was being bought, suggesting that 'immigrants would not be content to occupy undeveloped areas', with the consequence that 'the economic pressure upon the Arab population was likely to increase'

With regard to the conflict arising from the land settlement and purchase problem, it concluded that 'taking Palestine as a whole, the country cannot support a larger agricultural population than it at present carries unless methods of farming undergo a radical change'.

Conclusions
The conclusions of the Commission, especially regarding the riots themselves, were as follows. [Material not in brackets is verbatim]

 * The outbreak in Jerusalem on 23 August was from the beginning an attack by Arabs on Jews for which no excuse in the form of earlier murders by Jews has been established.
 * The outbreak was not premeditated.
 * [The disturbances] took the form, in the most part, of a vicious attack by Arabs on Jews accompanied by wanton destruction of Jewish property. A general massacre of the Jewish community at Hebron was narrowly averted. In a few instances, Jews attacked Arabs and destroyed Arab property. These attacks, though inexcusable, were in most cases in retaliation for wrongs already committed by Arabs in the neighbourhood in which the Jewish attacks occurred.
 * The outbreak neither was nor was intended to be a revolt against British authority in Palestine.
 * In playing the part that he took in the formation of societies for the defence of the Moslem Holy Places and in fostering the activities of such societies when formed, the Mufti was influenced by the twofold desire to confront the Jews and to mobilise Moslem opinion on the issue of the Wailing Wall. He had no intention of utilising this religious campaign as the means of inciting to disorder. Inasmuch as the movement which he in part created became through the force of circumstances a not unimportant factor in the events which led to the outbreak, the Mufti, like many others who directly or indirectly played upon public feeling in Palestine, must accept a share in the responsibility for the disturbances.
 * ...in the matter of innovations of practice [at the Wailing Wall] little blame can be attached to the Mufti in which some Jewish religious authorities also would not have to share.
 * There is no evidence that the Mufti issued any requests to Moslems in Palestine to come up to Jerusalem on 23 August and no connection has been established between the Mufti and the work of those who either are known or are thought to have engaged in agitation or incitement.
 * After the disturbances had broken out the Mufti co-operated with the Government in their efforts both to restore peace and to prevent the extension of disorder.
 * [No blame can be properly attached to the British government for failing to provide armed reinforcements, withholding of fire, and similar charges.]
 * Jewish enterprise and Jewish immigration, when not in excess of the absorptive capacity of the country, have conferred material benefits upon Palestine in which the Arab people share. We consider, however, that the claims and demands which from the Zionist side have been advanced to the future of Jewish immigration into Palestine have been such as to arouse among the Arabs the apprehensions that they will in time be deprived of their livelihood and pass under the political domination of the Jews.
 * There is incontestable evidence that in the matter of immigration there has been a serious departure by the Jewish authorities from the doctrine accepted by the Zionist Organization in 1922 that immigration should be regulated by the economic capacity of Palestine to absorb new arrivals.
 * Between 1921 and 1929 there were large sales of land in consequence of which numbers of Arabs were evicted without the provision of other land for their occupation. ... The position is now acute. There is no alternative land to which persons evicted can remove.  In consequence a landless and discontented class is being created.  Such a class is a potential danger to the country.
 * The fundamental cause, without which in our opinion disturbances either would not have occurred or would have been little more than a local riot, is the Arab feeling of animosity and hostility towards the Jews consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future. ... The feeling as it exists today is based on the twofold fear of the Arabs that by Jewish immigration and land purchases they may be deprived of their livelihood and in time pass under the political domination of the Jews.
 * In our opinion the immediate causes of the outbreak were:-
 * The long series of incidents connected with the Wailing Wall... These must be regarded as a whole, but the incident among them which in our view contributed most to the outbreak was the Jewish demonstration at the Wailing Wall on 15 August 1929. Next in importance we put the activities of the Society for the Protection of the Moslem Holy Places and, in a lesser degree, of the Pro-Wailing Wall Committee.
 * Excited and intemperate articles which appeared in some Arabic papers, in one Hebrew daily paper and in a Jewish weekly paper published in English.
 * Propaganda among the less-educated Arab people of a character calculated to incite them.
 * The enlargement of the Jewish Agency.
 * The inadequacy of the military forces and of the reliable police available.
 * The belief, due largely to a feeling of uncertainty as to policy, that the decisions of the Palestine Government could be influenced by political considerations.

The Commission recommended that the Government reconsider its policies as to Jewish immigration and land sales to Jews. This led directly to the Hope Simpson Royal Commission in 1930.

The main victims of the rioting were Orthodox Jews, however the Orthodox community took a decision to boycott the Commission. According to the report (p. 169), all sides were eager to cooperate, and there was no shortage of testimony or evidence.

Main recommendations
(i) His Majesty's government should issue a clear statement of the policy they intend to pursue in Palestine. The value of this statement would be greatly enhanced if it defined the meaning they attached to the passages in the Mandate safeguarding the rights of non-Jewish communities, and if it laid down more explicit directives on such vital issues as land and immigration.

(ii) Immigration policy should be clearly defined, and its administration reviewed "with the object of preventing a repetition of the excessive immigration of 1925 and 1926" Machinery should be devised through which non-Jewish interests could be consulted on the subject of immigration.

(iii) A scientific enquiry should be made into the possibilities of land development in Palestine, having regard to "the certain natural increase in the present rural population." Meanwhile, the "tendency towards the eviction of peasant cultivators from the land should be checked."

(iv) While making no formal recommendations on constitutional development, the commission observed that the difficulties of the administration were greatly aggravated by the absence of any measure of self-government.

Note of Reservations
The report includes a 12-page "Note of Reservations" written by Lord Henry Snell. While accepting much of the report's findings, he challenges some points and makes a number of additional criticisms and recommendations. The following is a list of some of them.

Mr. Snell placed a much higher degree of responsibility on the shoulders of the Muslim spiritual and political leaders, including the Mufti and the Arab Executive. He also emphasized that the violence did not represent the will of the majority of Arabs, and that many took great risks to protect Jewish lives. Furthermore, he agreed that the "animosity and hostility toward the Jews were the fundamental cause of the outbreak," but he blamed this attitude on the campaign of propaganda and incitement, and not on the economic situation.

Mr. Snell also voiced additional criticisms of the British government in Palestine. First, while acknowledging that "the general question whether in a country of racial division one race should be supplied with arms by the Government for possible use against another is admittedly a difficult one," he questioned the decision to allow Arabs to gather en masse with clubs and sticks while disarming the Jewish congregants in Jerusalem, given the police’s inability to protect them. Second, he criticized the Palestinian Government "for not having issued an official communiqué denying that the Jews had designs on the Moslem Holy Places.”

Notably, he questioned the report's conclusions regarding Jewish land procurement and immigration. He argued,"What is required in Palestine is, I believe, less a change of policy in these matters than a change of mind on the part of the Arab population, who have been encouraged to believe that they have suffered a great wrong and that the immigrant Jew constitutes a permanent menace to their livelihood and future. I am convinced that these fears are exaggerated and that on any long view of the situation the Arab people stand to gain rather than to lose from Jewish enterprise. There is no doubt in my mind that, in spite of errors of judgment which may have resulted in hardship to individual Arabs, Jewish activities have increased the prosperity of Palestine, have raised the standard of life of the Arab worker and have laid the foundations on which may be based the future progress of the two communities and their development into one State. "His commentary on the land problem led him to conclude that "progress in Palestine--by which I mean the joint progress of the two peoples--is to be looked for not along the lines of political concession but rather through social and economic reconstruction and the establishment of public security." In this respect, he held that the Palestine Government should be administratively and financially responsible for ensuring that no Arabs went landless.

He also spoke to the need of Jewish leaders to help alleviate the Arab's concerns and misapprehensions.

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Fixed a typo. 'durring' into 'during'. --Anchoress 09:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Biased?
This article looks like it was written by Pat Himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theycallmemorty (talk • contribs)

Edit
Fixed some bad grammar and misspellings. Also took out the most obvious NPOV violations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtificialHigh (talk • contribs)

Succession Boxes
Pulled out duplication on Coaching Career Bacl-presby 20:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * will place his 2 tenures in Vancouver into Vancouver Box

Now biased against Quinn
"Although Quinn won the 1963 Memorial Cup as a junior with the Edmonton Oil Kings, he had a terrible professional career. He was known more for his weakness than his skill, particularly for a thundering open-ice body check against himself in the 1969 Stanley Cup playoffs between the Toronto Maple Leafs and Boston Bruins which left him unconscious and provoked not only a bench-clearing brawl, but a suspension for Quinn."

I'm assuming this is referring to his infamous hit on Bobby Orr - "body check against himself" - this just sounds ridiculous. And I dont think anyone who played over 600 games in the NHL could be accused of having a "terrible professional career." This needs a rewrite, preferably not by a Bobby Orr fanboy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.167.101 (talk)

Other Pat Quinns
I'm moving this to Pat Quinn (hockey) because the Pat Quinn (politician) is getting to be an important figure with the Blagojevich indictment, etc. If I can figure out how... Jeremymerrill502 (talk) 19:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

So... wikipedia hates me. could someone with moving privileges move this? Plzkthx. Considering how high Pat Quinn, the politician, is showing up on Google Trends, he ought to be the default Pat Quinn, or at least the Pat Quinn default should be the disambiguation page. Jeremymerrill502 (talk) 19:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Is someone going to try to maintain the "total games won" number?
It says Quinn is the winningest active NHL coach, "4th of all time with 616 wins". Now that he's active again, and assuming his new team (Oilers) will win one or more games, "616" is going to be obsolete. Any update is also going to be obsolete quickly. Is someone going to try to keep it current? For ease of maintenance, isn't it the kind of stat that should be omitted? Kkken (talk) 08:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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Changed Quinn's law school to University of Widener School of Law-- Someone wrote in that Pat Quinn's law school is the University of San Diego School of Law, but the article cited reports that Quinn attended Widener. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.62.231.82 (talk)

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PAT QUINN WAS NOT AT TREVOR LINDENS JERSEY RETIREMENT. LOOK IT UP ON YOUTUBE. HE WAS COACHING THE WORLD JUNOIRS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.234.114 (talk) 05:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Date of Death
All sources say he died on November 23. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk)

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There is also no mention of his martial status, his marriages, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newb787 (talk • contribs)

This article should be deleted or a warning be posted about it's content — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newb787 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Warning status needed
Too many issues here in this article including the title. It should be captioned as unreliable.

Additionally, see the comments in the BIASED section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newb787 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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He is addicted to Cocaine? What in the show he filmed? I had never heard that before... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.139.0.68 (talk • contribs)
 * Was a vandal and has been fixed. --Djsasso 21:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, there's much in terms of rumors that he's a cokehead. However, given that this is a reference text, I don't know if we can have hearsay and rumors. Furthermore this article reads like it was written by an 8 year old. A re-write is in order Giamberardino (talk) 02:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The rumour was that he was allegedly using cocaine during the Sens 2007 drive to the Stanley Cup finals. Ray Emery was allegedly using as well. Both were traded during the off season in 2008. --TurtleMelody (talk) 23:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

no trade
I added a section about Redden having used his no-trade clause to prevent a deal. It was notable because it was a rare case of a player rejecting a deal that would send him to a contender. I sourced it and worded it as neutrally as possible. user:Aoystreck March 16th, 2008

On the MSG Rangers pre-game show within a segment called "Twenty Questions from 6:30 -7:00 p.m. on November 8, Wade Redden said he did not win any kind of hackey sack championship in his life. Therefore, I am removing this sentence "In 1987, he won the Saskatchewan Hackey Sack championship" —Preceding unsigned comment added by RG415WBFA (talk • contribs) 00:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Headings
Could I get others to chime in on the section headers on this page. Dolovis added the sub-headings (1993-99 seasons, etc), and they are fairly arbitrary cut offs and make the article choppy in my opinion. He believes they allow for better expansion of the article. Can I get a consensus on them. -DJSasso (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As an example Henrik Sedin is a featured article. And only has sub headings at major cutoffs. In his case switching from the Elitserien to the the NHL. I use him as an example because they both had about the same length career. But the case holds for most if not all of the Featured player articles. -DJSasso (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Remove the choppiness. GoodDay (talk) 22:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

 * I think "junior" (not amateur) and "professional" are enough right now. If it gets too unwieldy like that, it could be split by team in the professional section. Canada Hky (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm going to have to agree. I get what Dolovis is trying to do, but too many sub-sections reduces flow. I cringe when I see sections for one or two seasons at a time.  imo, there should be three here for his playing career: Junior, Ottawa Senators and New York Rangers. Resolute 23:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I would have no problem splitting it into those three. Just season by season splitting, like you say, makes me cringe. It just looks horrible on articles. -DJSasso (talk) 23:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not only are these headings not consistent with how player articles are commonly organized - either as Resolute suggests or, more commonly, just with junior/minor and major league breakpoints - they don't even make sense arbitrarily. One would think that if arbitrary chronological cutoffs were used for Redden's career, that 2000-2006, when he was regarded in the upper echelon of defensemen and which represented his best seasons, would be a key header.   Ravenswing  10:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the above statements. I don't think that the sub-headings are necessary, being that there is barley a paragraph in each one. Also they are inconsistent in their brake points using 3, 5, 2, 1, and 3 seasons. removing the sub-headers would make the article much cleaner like it did for the Andrew Raycroft page. (compared to with sub-headers), I would hate to start seeing extreme over use of headers like at some other projects.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I created the sub-headings so that the article can be more easily expanded. Redden has had an amazing career, and the article needs to be expanded to give justice to his significant achievements. By breaking the article into sub-heading, editors will (for example) be more easily able to note up his Olympic involvement, or all-star seasons. And the same goes for his other stand-out years and achievements. Without the sub-headings, all we have is a clumped together article that gives only the briefest of mention (if that) to his notable achievements - and I do not see this improving without drawing attention to the lack of information within the season's headings. Same logic as a stub-article - do not delete the section if it does not have enough content - expand it. That being said, I like Resolute's compromise, but I would suggest four headings; Amateur; Ottawa Senators; New York Rangers; and Minor Leagues. Dolovis (talk) 17:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The headings chop up the page too much. There's no need for it, no other player's pages are like this.  I say revert back to "Ottawa Senators" and "New York Rangers" headings.  Then add a "Hartford Wolf Pack" as the season goes on.  That's all it really needs. --Getzfan15 (talk) 18:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Image
I have tried to use the image of Redden in his Ottawa jersey as the main image for the article, but this has been undone so I am seeking a consensus for the better image to use. It appears that Redden's NHL career is over, and even if he does come back it will not be with the Rangers. Redden is best known for his years with the Ottawa Senators, and therefore it makes sense that the Ottawa image should be used for an encyclopedic article. I also think that the Ottawa shot is of marginally better quality. Dolovis (talk) 17:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally there are two rules of thumb for images in infoboxes. The first being that you use the most recent one when possible unless the most recent one is of significantly lesser quality. (which maybe this one is, thats debatable). The second rule of thumb is you use the one where the person's face is the most visible. Personally after I have edited and cleaned up the new york image I think its the better of the two and its the most recent and easiest to see his face in. See Wayne Gretzky for a featured article example where we don't use an oilers or kings image when he was clearly best known for his time with those two teams, but instead use the most recent free image we have which is him speaking at a podium. -DJSasso (talk) 17:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

 * I'd say both images are of similar quality - but I'd probably default to the Rangers image as well, though for a different reason. The MOS suggests that images of people should face towards the text wherever possible.  He's looking to our left in the Rangers image, which makes it a good candidate to be right justified, and he's looking to our right in the Sens image, making left justification preferable.  That said, I probably would have left either image alone if it was in the infobox. Resolute 17:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Prospect status
Should he really be listed as a prospect for the Rangers? I understand he's still within the Rangers organization but at 994 career games, he isn't exactly a prospect anymore. --Getzfan15 (talk) 06:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, I usually just add the NHL team to former teams when a player is bouncing back and forth and isn't really a prospect anymore. We used to have a standard of when they weren't called a prospect anymore, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. I am pretty sure it was X number of games in the NHL or X number of years in the minors. -DJSasso (talk) 10:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Article Analysis of Redden's Wikipedia Page
Check a few citations. Do the links work? Is there any close paraphrasing or plagiarism in the article? •	All links were capable of working, a few required a sign in to access the information. One article that heavily focused on Metis athletes in the NHL, the section on Wade Redden was closely paraphrased throughout his Wikipedia article. The article on Metis athletes and Wade Redden’s Wikipedia article had similarities when discussing his early life and his origins of growing up. Of the articles that were not capable of working, there were a couple of outdated links that were not able to open as well, articles that seem to be newspaper articles and not an article that may have been to the extent of a peer reviewed article, academic journal, etc.

Where does the information come from? Are these neutral sources? If biased, is that bias noted? •	The information about Wade Redden throughout his Wikipedia page similarly originate from profile pages, newspaper/journal articles, and interviews. Redden’s profile pages are used through sources such as NHL.com and any other hockey team that he has played for. Information coming from articles and interviews are very neutral and are well executed in the sense of it being neutral, due to the fact that the info is just stating facts and simply informing viewers of the page about his time in the sport of hockey. Its notable that Wade Redden’s information on Wikipedia is mainly centered around his time in the NHL as that was his profession but it is quite noticeable that there is little to no information about his Aboriginal status as a Metis.

Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you? •	Everything throughout Wade Redden’s article on Wikipedia is relevant to the topic being Wade Redden and what he is known for. Wade Redden was a successful athlete who played hockey at the professional level, within his Wikipedia article it is noticeable to the regular eye viewing the page that his article well represents him as a professional hockey athlete. In conclusion, Wade Redden’s origin of being Metis is under represented throughout his article, it may be essential to look deeper into his life growing up as an Aboriginal.

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Talk:Robyn Regehr

Brazilian-born
Is it really necessary to have that in the article? It makes it sound as if he was actually Brazilian, but left the country as a small kid. But since both of his parents are Canadian, it should really be only Canadian. If you look at his brother's article, who was born in Indonesia, it doesn't state Indonesian-born. Norum 12:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed and removed. Not sure when that was snuck in there, but you are correct in that the statement misrepresented Regehr's ancestry. Resolute 13:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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"In 2004 during the third period of a playoff game versus the Bruins, Mike Ribeiro tfell Mike Knuble and fell to the ice. He spent the next minute sprawling across the ice simulating pain before being taken off the ice by stretcher. Ribeiro returned to the bench shortly after with a smile, laughing at the Bruins' bench. No dive was called, but Hall-of-Fame writer Russ Conway called it "a two-bit stunt" and "dirty little skit."

This recollection of the event is incorrect. He was not carried out on a stretcher and "laughing at the Bruins bench" is highly debateble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.107.15.22 (talk) 19:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with the above. This statement hardly seems notable or factually verifiable.  It may in fact be slanderous.  I'm inclined to remove this from the article...  It's seems more relevant to include useful facts in the article, like the fact that Ribeiro leads the team in goals, and leads the league in assists.  Jonathan Stokes (talk) 02:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

his wifes name is not tanya its tamara! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.229.119 (talk) 23:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

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Biographical film
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maurice_Richard&diff=815066914&oldid=811108726 this edit] (which I subsequently modified): is being the subject of a film appropriate for the "Legacy" section? Is it suitable for mention elsewhere in the article? isaacl (talk) 17:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I think it is best suited in the legacy section. Flibirigit (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess it could be considered a kind of honour? To me it's just history; calling it a legacy is like saying this Wikipedia article is part of Richard's legacy. If there were a "In popular culture" section (which I'm not necessarily recommending, as I dislike the amorphous, catch-all nature of this type of section) it would fit better there. isaacl (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I also dislike the "pop culture" header, that's why I think it's fine as is. Flibirigit (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see it as part of Richard's legacy, however, given the many other ways that Richard has made a lasting impact on the game of hockey. isaacl (talk) 04:58, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

 * If you don't like the header, pop culture or legacy, then pick something else like "In Film." Maybe it will go well with The Hockey Sweater, which is a short film that's already covered in the legacy section. Flibirigit (talk) 05:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The Hockey Sweater is different; it's an iconic story for Canadians (due in no small part to the NFB short). "Personal life" could probably be renamed to something like "Post-retirement" and then the film could be mentioned there. isaacl (talk) 05:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't lose any sleep over this. I suggest asking more of the hockey community for a consensus. I have nothing else to say. Flibirigit (talk) 06:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the purpose of this thread; I'm asking interested parties for their views to reach a consensus. isaacl (talk) 16:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Gary Roberts (ice hockey)

Chiasson
Is it necessary to have a whole paragraph on Steve Chiasson's death in this article? The only connection to Roberts is the claim that Chiasson began his fatal drive from Roberts's house (an allegation I've not seen any other source for). Looking for responses, else I think it's time for it to go.  VT hawkeye talk to me 01:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Responding to myself here, but got a source now. Nonetheless, I don't think it's relevant here.  Adding info and source to the Chiasson article, killing the section here.  VT hawkeye talk to me 18:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page was recently the target of excessive vandalism, having multiple non-POV statements and including Roberts in such ridiculous categories as Founders of Religions, Jesus, God, Canadian Monarchs, and Presidents of the United States. I therefore placed the cleanup tag so that we could search the article and make sure all the vandalism has been expunged. 68.60.11.184 09:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio
I had to delete most of the content today after discovering that a lot of it is a copy-and-paste from Hockey Drafts Central. Just letting everyone know it's not vandalism. --Muéro(talk/c) 05:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Return to Hockey
"In a showing of grit and character" has no place in a Wikipedia article 198.103.223.51 (talk) 15:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Roberts

 * Thanks, removed.-Wafulz (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

 * "Grit and character" are about the closest thing one could use to describe Mr. Roberts, so "in a showing" would describe just about every performance...it does not need to be stated :) It should be noted somewhere here that like many atheletes Gary had hid his asthma throughout his junior and early sports career (he has been quoted stating this was common practice among young atheletes as the disorder was often viewed unfavorably by scouts and could negatively impact a career), and around the time of his 1st comeback he made his condition public.  He has since served as a spokesman for the Canadian Lung Association during his time in Toronto, and lends his name to diet and excercise literature.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.202.34 (talk) 19:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

National Lacrosse League draft pick
I have noticed that this was added and eventually removed from this profile several times. Please do not remove this. Gary Roberts was a draft pick of the Calgary Roughnecks in 2004. A cited source was listed, but I will assume this was removed due to vandalism. Gary also played single A lacrosse in juniors with former Panthers and Flames teammate Joe Niewendyk. This citation should not be considered vandalism and should be left alone.

Citations needed? http://www.calgaryroughnecks.com/team/draftlist/ http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=10218 http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2FArticleNews%2FTPStory%2FLAC%2F20041028%2FROBERTS28%2FTPSports%2FHockey&ord=6024670&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true http://www.njdevs.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15243.html

Looks like some things have been removed. Mentions that he had a "comeback", but not what he came back from. His having a broken neck and getting vertebra fused together might make a good paragraph before that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagnabbitt (talk • contribs) 01:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Barely anything from before 1996?
Why does the article barely discuss his time in the NHL prior to his neck injury? This was by far the most productive period of his career, with four seasons of 38 or more goals including one with over 50. Yet that part of the article spends several paragraphs on his junior and minor-league career and two sentences on what he did the NHL, which mention none of the above achievements. Why? 50.72.201.97 (talk) 03:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There are, unfortunately, a lot of articles that fall into this vein. Sometimes, editors expand or focus on only a small part of a player's career that interests them without considering how it affects the balance of the article. (For a similar, but less egregious example, see what Scott Niedermayer looked like before I rewrote it.  The first 15 years of his career was reduced to the same level of coverage as his retirement deliberation in Anaheim).  This article is on my to do list, however, and I have been meaning to bring it to good article level for some time.  I'm just not sure if I will rewrite it next, or try to finish off Chelios, Shanahan and Heaney first in advance of their HHOF induction in November. Resolute 15:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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Nickname
"Big Bird " Saving nickname for future use. -Djsasso (talk) 22:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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Interim captain
We all know that Robitaille was interim captain while Gretzky was injured in the 1992-93 season. However, Robitaille is not listed as "interim" captain in the Kings media guide or in the NHL Official Guide and Record Book. He is listed simply as "captain." To me, that means we have to remove the "interim" label. This is rather reminiscent of a similar discussion we had about his captaincy over on the LA Kings article talk page. -- Gmatsuda 00:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I thought we'd settled that issue over there. The NHL does not, and never did, have a status called "interim" captain.  Either someone wears the "C" for the game or he doesn't.    Ravenswing  05:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I removed the "interrim" label per that discussion from some time ago. -- Gmatsuda 06:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The (interim) tag has been retired, per WikiProject discussion. Sorry for the inconviences everyone. GoodDay 20:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Shame on you! :-) -- Gmatsuda 21:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I meant well, honest. GoodDay 16:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I was joking! -- Gmatsuda 22:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. GoodDay 19:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Remaining issues
If you haven't noticed, I've made a huge re-write to this article, and have resolved three of the five issues we had with the article. However, we still have an issue with the amount of citations/references in the article. Most of the information can be taken from the HockeyDB website, so what more citations and references should be added?

Also, in the current version of the article, with the exception of each and every single one of Robitaille's first eight seasons with the Kings, I made mention of all the other seasons, including career highs, lows, and added a couple of franchise ranks I took from the Kings' 2007-08 media guide and NHL/Kings records (overall and amongst left wingers). After all that, I only increased the article's size by 200+ bytes. What more can be added to expand the article? Ksy92003 (talk) , 21:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * See WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY for guidance on what needs to be cited. That's what I follow now after struggling to get Manzanar (yeah, I know that's not a hockey article) up to FA status. If the goal is to get this article up to FA status eventually, we'll need to follow those guidelines. -- Gmatsuda 21:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * As for expansion, let me think about it for awhile. I know there's more that should be in the article, but I don't have time to nail it down right now. -- Gmatsuda 21:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I know that Luc and his wife Stacia created a program to benefit those who lost their homes during Hurricane Katrina. Being a Kings season-ticket holder, I've heard a lot about that at games and it was mentioned during his jersey retirement ceremony which I went to.  If we can find something about that, then that'd be perfect.  Robitaille is the best left winger in the history of the NHL.  His article shouldn't have any citation issues.  Ksy92003  (talk) , 22:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That would be worthy of inclusion. FYI: My focus right now (when I'm not covering the Kings) is the Los Angeles Kings article, working to get it up to FA status. Until I finish with that (that could take months), I'm probably not going to be worth much in terms of contributing to this article. I do believe there's more to Robitaile's career that should probably be included, but I don't really have time to think about the specifics. -- Gmatsuda 05:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * When you're off working on Los Angeles Kings, don't worry. I'll stay here and work on this article.  I just need some guidance, and hopefully I'll be able to find some good sites on the web, hopefully at lease something about the foundation he and his wife set up.  What other information (generic) would be helpful for this article?  Ksy92003  (talk) , 06:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Let me know if you get stuck on stuff that need citations. I have access to media guides dating back to 1993-94, the Official Guide and Record Book and other stuff. I can also contact the Kings directly if we can't find stuff. For now, since we're still developing the article, I'd lean towards citing anything that's a fact and all quotes need to be cited. When we start refining the article to get it to GA and FA, then we can remove unnecessary citations. This way, even if the article gets a little heavy with citations, at least we know what we have is verifiable. -- Gmatsuda 06:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I've got a few media guides from the mid-80's, when Robitaille started out, as my father has been a season-ticket holder since the 1980-81 season. You know in the media guide, how when they have the bios for the players on the roster? I'm sure that in the 2005-06 edition there would be something about his play with Team Canada and other stuff. Ksy92003 (talk) , 07:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) You need about a 3 paragraph lead for an internet era All-star professional athlete GA.
 * 2) You might add an entire lead para about his playoff career if he did anything significant.
 * 3) You might want to subsection the main text in the pro career section. Maybe All-star years (up to 94) and the rest or three sections.
 * 4) You also could link some hockey terms like goals, assists. It seems to me that the All-star years I would think should have more text without doing any research.
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 * 6) Can you find at least one reference per paragraph? That is a very common standard for high quality articles nowadays.  For GA you are going to have to give the article a tertiary resource feel.  I.E., you are going to have to cite enough secondary sources that it sounds like everything you are saying is being said by a reliable source and that all facts are attributable or could be easily verified.  --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 22:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Luc Robitaille

 * First looking at the refs, I would change to a two section style. I would have a notes section not using the cite book referring to pages formatted to read 2006–07 Los Angeles Kings Media Guide, p. 203. I would also have a references section using the cite book reading Los Angeles Kings Communications Department. 2006–07 Los Angeles Kings Media Guide without page numbers.
 * First section. I am lost what years was he in the CHL?  I know this is clear in the stats section, but you should make the text cleaner.
 * Link Second NHL All-Star Team, junior hockey, goal, point, assist, penalty minutes.
 * 50+ goal ->50-goal
 * many citations still needed.
 * making progress though.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I think the existing citations are fine. I used the same formating in an article i got promoted to FA, so they should suffice in their existing format. Just don't forget to include the publisher in the first instance of the citation whenever possible. I don't see a need for a Notes section. As stated above, more references should be used. Good progress so far. When you're finished, I'll have more. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 00:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I added the links and the CHL years. As for the cite book, I got that from the Los Angeles Kings article, which I'll make the assumption were added by Gmatsuda.  I had forgotten the publisher in those citations because... I don't know why, I just didn't.  Maybe it was because I didn't know what to put for that.  To me, the references look good so far (probably POV, as I'm the one who added them :D) and I know that I can get more when I have the time, and will try to Monday morning.  Right now, there are 7 "citation needed" tags remaining that I added, some of which I'm sure can either be found in the Media Guides or can just be removed altogether, but that's still a huge improvement on the 16 I had originally placed earlier today, and again, improving from 5 references to 20 is a huge improvement.

 * One thing I'm still concerned about is the enormous section for his entire NHL career. I have pondered this since I did the re-write, but I still don't know of a good enough way to split it up.  Gmatsuda, if you have any suggestions, feel free to implement them in the article.  I think we're making good progress here, and hopefully I can get as much as I possibly can get done within the coming week.  Ksy92003  (talk)  01:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Lucky Luc
Why was he nicknamed that.--Something12356789 (talk) 16:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

He scored on his first NHL shot, on his first shift, in his first game referenced over and over on TV and in interviews throughout his career, but possibly difficult to find published (only found it here: http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1984/84171.html). Certainly heard him called Lucky on the ice myself all the time and referenced by other players in interviews. The closest I found was the reference that he scored on Dionne's 1600th pointat hockeydraftcentral and in the NHL's 100 greatest players bio: https://www.nhl.com/news/luc-robitaille-100-greatest-nhl-hockey-players/c-285394498.

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Talk:Art Ross

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For what it's worth, Art Ross was first coach to pull his goalie to add a skater. Trekphiler 06:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Ross became a naturalized American citizen, which probably should be reflected under his nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.116.246 (talk) 01:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

About "Whitefish Bay"...
It just so happens that I grew up in and around Naughton. It is situated on Whitefish Lake, between what is now the Whitefish First Nation (formerly the Whitefish Indian Reserve) and a another formerly independent municipal entity called Whitefish. One can walk from Naughton to either Whitefish or the First Nation's major townsite in under half and hour. (Both Naughton and Whitefish were amalgamated into the Town of Walden, which was itself later made part of the City of Greater Sudbury.) Somehow I find it more likely that Ross would have learned to skate on Whitefish Lake (which is rather small and shallow and freezes over in early winter) rather than travelling to Lake Superior -- a distance of more than 200 miles, which would have been impractical in midwinter at the beginning of the 20th Century except by train. Did someone just make an assumption because they could find Whitefish Bay on a map?Stan Rogers (talk) 11:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I accessed the book source (Weir et al., 1999) on Google Books:

Arthur Howie Ross was one of 13 children born to the boss of a Hudson's Bay Company fur trading post in Northern Ontario. Ross, who spoke English and Ojibway growing up, learned to skate on Whitefish Bay using using primitive clamp-on skates. His mother would swaddle him in layers of clothing, something he never forgot: "I must have become immune to body-checking in those days. I carried so much padding that an arrow couldn't pierece my armor."
 * You make an excellent point about Superior Lake not making sense here. Doing my own research on the issue, there are a bunch of bodies of water—and other geographical entities—named Whitefish, or some derivative thereof. The book source says nothing about Lake Superior.
 * I have hidden the dubious content in the article for now, but I think it makes most sense here to remove change "He first learned to skate as a child on Whitefish Bay, part of Lake Superior", to "He first learned to skate as a child on nearby Whitefish Lake". It somewhat falls afoul of Verifiability, but I think there's a strong case here for bending that rule.  Maxim (talk)  00:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A note that this has now been resolved, via a mention in Eric Zweig's biography of Ross. Kaiser matias (talk) 22:17, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Art Ross was born January 13, 1885 not 1886
Eric Zweig released a new book about Art Ross and it's in big part on google. He corrected a lot of things on him like in 2014 his grandson Art Ross III corrected the year of his birth on his headstone. What did you think? Here it is on google --> https://books.google.ca/books?id=CNCMBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=art+ross+headstone+mount+royal+cemetery&source=bl&ots=avOO2xWGx1&sig=dEFrvx1B_mtnb2rbxxE4-SxfNeU&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAmoVChMIiaSD4obrxwIVBlmSCh2Z2QBh#v=onepage&q=art%20ross%20headstone%20mount%20royal%20cemetery&f=false --Danielvis08 (talk) 23:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Coaching stats reference
http://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/rossar01c.html --Danielvis08 (talk) 01:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Patrick Roy

500 club
Doubtless Patrick isn't happy about this, but he's credited with giving up the 500h goal to 2 players, only goalie ever to do it, I'm told, to Steve Yzerman & Joe Mollet. Trekphiler 14:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Joe Mullen. Zipster 20:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Why the focus on "Incidents"
This article reads more like a rap sheet than a bio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.176.17.42 (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

 * It is strange. We should create a Controversies section. His coaching career should have it's own section without all that gossip. Jozsefs (talk) 11:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Needs improvement
Article needs a lot of work. A lot of the Legacy section should actually be in the Career Achievements section. Legacy section should mention how he popularized the butterfly etc.

The gossip about his brawls as a coach should go into a new Controversies section, or be removed. Right now 80% of the Post-Playing Career section is just talking about his family losing it's temper. Jozsefs (talk) 11:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Michael Ryder

HE IS THE BEST
If you have ever played any computer/video game use Micheal Ryder for his wrist shot!!!! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.111.247 (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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