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User talk:Darren Jowalsen

Hola Darren.

(I'll write in English just in case).

Now Asistencia Asesoria y Administracion redirects to Asistencía Asesoria y Administración. Actually, it should redirect to Asistencia Asesoría y Administración. I would move Asistencía Asesoria y Administración to Asistencia Asesoría y Administración myself, but I'm new to the English Wikipedia and can't do it.

Araña de níquel 03:18, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Article duly moved. –Hajor 03:37, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I had a feeling I had that wrong, thanks for the heads up--Darren Jowalsen 22:18, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Héctor Garza
Hello Darren!

I totally agree with you that there was no Héctor Garza, Sr. I only listed him as Jr. on the List of WCW stars because that is how they billed him when he wrestled there. I made that page with the intention that the names that they were billed under while working for WCW were the names I filed them under. I don't know why they billed him as Junior...in fact I wondered each time he came out because I knew there was no Senior. But that was the way WCW did things. I did not get the impression that they cared too much about how they booked the luchadores or if they had their names wrong.

I just wanted to explain why I have it listed as Junior. I know it should not have been but the higher-ups in WCW chose to call him that.

I also wanted to say that you are doing a great job with the wrestling articles that you have edited. Thanks! --W(t) 15:50, 2005 Jun 13 (US ET)

 * That is really strange, it would be hard to argue logic with the WCW big wigs. WCW is your expertise so I'll trust you.  I'll make note of this in the Héctor

Garza article.--Darren Jowalsen 20:36, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Darren Jowalsen it's Moe Epsilon. Read your comment. Dont get me wrong it is copying and pasting but it takes a hell of a long time to create these. I thought about your suggestion but I would rather than just make a link, make an article. — M o e   ε  20:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Guess this is my little section, lol, I must have deleted it by mistake, Thanks for telling me! — M o e   ε  18:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Wrestler Names on Articles
Hello Darren! I noticed that you changed alot of wrestlers' pages back to their stage names. That is totally OK by me but I also noticed that you forgot to change their name in the category listings. An example of what this does is if I was to go to the Professional wrestlers category and look for Bob Armstrong (which is what I would normally do but most other users on Wikipedia in the wrestling world seem to want me to look him up as Joseph James-I am still confused about that!), I cannot find him under the A names because he is still listed in the category as Joseph James. If I go to the J names, he is listed as Bob Armstrong but is filed under the name on his profile under the categories. I will attempt to correct these but I don't know when I will have the time since there are so many. I really wish that every user in the wrestling realm of Wikipedia would agree on guidelines for this and stick to it. It would be so much easier! Again, I agree that we should use the best known name, but I think we are the minority and I decided to attempt to make every article use the same guidelines that I was told to use or I would not have changed anything. I think you do a good job on your articles and I hope you continue to create more! Thanks! --phatcat68 11:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The logic behind changing the article names on pro wrestling performers to their stage names is flawed in most cases. Most wrestlers are listed under their real names in IMDB, and now have Screen Actors Guild membership under their real names. In selective cases (such as Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock) it is somewhat appropriate, since those stage names have been used outside of wrestling and/or those individuals have been credited in non-wrestling productions under those names. Hulk Hogan and Jesse Ventura have also gained public notoriety under their stage names. However, the vast majority of wrestling biographies here are listed under the performer's real name, and there is no valid justification to change them. Chadbryant 23:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The style guide says use the most common name.  When someone is always referred as Shane Douglas, putting their article under Troy Martin is pointless and flawed as well.  It's a case of playing it by ear, rather than with cold rules.  There are also the problem of sometimes dubious sources for real names.  So unless they are a relatively new wrestler who may change his name or there is disambiguation involved, stage names should be used.  Just because professional wrestlers don't get Oscars or are as respected as actors or musicians, doesn't mean they needed to be treated lower than them.  Natalie Portman and Woody Allen achieve fame with those names, so their articles are under those names.  Wrestlers are no different.  Bobo Brazil was famous as Bobo Brazil but just because he's a wrestler, he shouldn't have an article under the name he was known for?--Darren Jowalsen 00:07, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

The fact is 98% of all wrestlers names are stage names. Only 'smarks' throw around wrestlers real names to try and create the illusion they are 'in the know'. The vast majority of the wrestling fanbase has NO idea, and probably doesnt care about, a wrestlers real name. Those are the people who, for the most part, would come to Wiki to look up information. TruthCrusader

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José Alvarado-Nieves
It should stay José Alvarado-Nieves because it looks like, to me, that Alvarado-Nieves is his full last name. If it's his name, it should be that way. I don't think it would hurt anything by keeping it there. — M o e   ε  19:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Alright, since you put it that way, my vote would be for José Alvardo Nieves. Do you want to move the page or should I? — M o e   ε  22:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Lucha themes are notable
Sorry about that. I had never heard of either wrestler, and the fact that both links were red lead me to believe that they were not-notable American independent wrestlers. I didn't really consider that they might be prominent Mexican wrestlers, about whom, admittedly, my knowledge is limited. McPhail 12:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

JD's Worst of Wrestling
Let's create a Wikipedia page for this wonderful forum.
 * Who is this?--Darren Jowalsen 21:35, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Features article-San Antonio Wikipedians
Hello, I'm a features writer with the San Antonio Express-News and I'm working on a story about local Wikipedians, who they are, how long they've contributed, their area(s) of interest, and their thoughts on the recent Wikipedia scandals. Please contact me as soon as possible via email at jtavitas@express-news.net or phone (210) 250-3420. If you're not interested, please do me the courtesy and let me know so I won't pester you further. Kindest regards, Jeanie Tavitas-Williams Features Reporter San Antonio Express-News 210.250.3420 800.555.1551 ext. 3420 jtavitas@express-news.net JT Williams 18:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Feature article-San Antonio Wikipedians
Hello, I'm a features writer with the San Antonio Express-News and I'm working on a story about local Wikipedians, who they are, how long they've contributed, their area(s) of interest, and their thoughts on the recent Wikipedia scandals. Please contact me as soon as possible via email at jtavitas@express-news.net or phone (210) 250-3420. If you're not interested, please do me the courtesy and let me know so I won't pester you further. Kindest regards, Jeanie Tavitas-Williams Features Reporter San Antonio Express-News 210.250.3420 800.555.1551 ext. 3420 jtavitas@express-news.net JT Williams 18:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Congrats
Nice little piece in the San Antonio Express-News. Wikipedia always appreciates good publicity. Thanks for your effort in spreading the word about WP. Cheers. -- LV (Dark Mark)  18:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Luchadore names
I'm not saying that listing a real name of a wrestler is a must, but I don't really see why not. This is a dictionary, and I certainly don't think we should hide a persons name just because they choose to wrestler under a mask, even if they're Mexican. B.J. Whitmer does request that his real name isn't listed anywhere, and I don't see a reason to not follow that.

If you wish to have an "official" policy, then bring up a discussion on the project talk and let's have a vote, but don't go around saying there's a tradition to hide information when the tradition, atleast to my knowledge, has been to list real names if they are publicly known.

↪Lakes (Talk) 19:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Like I said, open a discussion in the project page so the whole project can discuss and possibly vote on a real name guideline.

 * ↪Lakes (Talk) 20:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Naming Issues
Hey Darren, The naming issue, among other things, is why I've proposed building a separate site using the same wiki technology totally dedicated to professional wrestling. You can find it in my profile. Keep working hard!! Smashmania April 25, 2006 14:32 (EST)

PLEASE ASSIST, WRESTLING FANS OF WIKIPEDIA
Me and the soon to be departing (hopefully not) Moe Epsilon are setting up a project to deal with the music of this great business. It will be WikiProject Music of wrestling. Join if you are remotely interested - every little helps! Thanks. Kingfisherswift 17:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Davey Boy Smith
Are you saying that his birth name was in fact "David Boy Smith"? I had assumed that "Boy" was a nickname. McPhail 21:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That is what Meltzer said in his book. Meltzer is on good terms with the Hart family so if he had any doubt, he could get it checked by Bret or Ross.  --Darren Jowalsen 22:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok then. McPhail 23:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

JYD
Spelling fixed :P -- Dubh  agan  22:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Help Me
Darren, you've got to help me get my forum back. JDSTORM 02:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Andre the Giant
In response to your request on my user page. The trainer I spoke of was one of his early wrestling trainers, I'll have to dig up the info on that, but I remember reading him saying that measured Andre at a legite 7'1" in his younger years. Andre did lose drastic height as he aged and put on weight.

Here is a pic of Andre next to Wilt Chamberlain: http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc73&image=35402_andrewiltarnold4zr_measured.jpg (with Arnold in there as a good measuring stick).

And the untouched version: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1474/andrewiltarnold4zr.jpg

I'm sorry, but Andre's listing height of ~6'10" as far as I am concerned is only applicable to perhaps the very last years of his life. TheSentinel 17:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Hiya DJ, there are some troublemakers on the Andre page, messing aboot with his height, could you take a look please?(Halbared 07:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC))

Have you checked out luchawiki?
Darren, you seem to know your lucha libre. Have you helped out at all at thecubsfan's luchawiki?--70.181.59.230 03:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have made a few little edits over there but I guess I'm a little intimidated by guys like Robert, who knows FAR more than I do.--Darren Jowalsen 02:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's worth saying that for every cubsfan, Robert, or Bix, there's plenty of contributers that aren't necessarily as well-versed in lucha...like me, for instance (I'm DanZero over there & at the DVDVR board)--70.181.59.230 15:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just as an FYI, I just created an account, so if you had any more questions about luchawiki or whatever you can, I guess, hit me back on my talk page? I'm sure you're more adept at this than I am.--DanZero 17:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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Hey there, it's Repo. What's up? FamicomJL 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Man date

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Man date
As the article clearly states, this term was coined for a particular article. Neologism, nn. RickK 03:19, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Copyvio.  While it's true that the writer of the NYT article coined the term, the phenomenon is real and the article has gotten a lot of attention. I could imagine people coming to Wikipedia for a summary of the term (and the buzz surrounding it) and I'd like them to find an article on the topic. Note: This is, unfortunately, a copyvio, with most of the text taken from the New York Times article.  Worthy topic in my mind, but this isn't the article to cover it.  Moncrief 04:14, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, there is noting encyclopedic about a meeting between two men. If man date turns into metrosexual in a couple of months (the NYT article is a few days old) then this neologism may need to be reconsidered. Keep it deleted after the copyvio is dealt with.--nixie 04:19, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Boy, that was fast. In any case, from the article in question: Although "man date" is a coinage invented for this article, appearing nowhere in the literature of male bonding (or of homosexual panic).... Neologism, and Wikipedia need not be the vehicle for turning this into Jennifer 8 Lee's "metrosexual". Delete until it actually becomes widespread and not something from a Times thumbsucker. --Calton | Talk 06:16, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, neologism. Megan1967 07:43, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - in the area of mispelld redirects, adding one to mandate may be appropriate? Radiant_* 18:13, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neologism invented in a two-day old NY Times article.  What's funny is I just read the article and thought "I bet some idiot already tried to make an article out of this term."  Lo and behold, I find it...  Postdlf 18:11, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Is the 'T-shirt incident' section worth keeping?
It looks to me like it's just a way for some dude to advertise his campaign... don't know the wiki lingo for this, but it's gotta be against the rules. Stupid pandering. I'm cutting any references to the guy who did it, but if some other people think it's a good idea, they ought to cut the whole section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.107.159 (talk) 11:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It should be kept. It provides an example of action taken by a member of the group as, supposedly, a sponsored activity. It shows a non-violent, albeit possibly-illegal, action worthy of posting. 75.34.183.68 (talk) 03:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The effort to keep the Minuteman Project site a series of discordant events is an attempt to marginalize the Minuteman Project. The Minuteman Project is a grass roots effort by patriotic Americans that want to see true immigration reform. They would like to have a serious dialogue about immigration issues, illegal immigration versus legal immigration, national security interests including need to know who is in our country and what they are doing, the adverse impact on various communities as a result of illegal immigration and failure to enforce immigration laws, including depriving U.S. citizens of jobs, increased competition for work and the determinental effect on worker's wages and the costs of providing illegal aliens services (education, medical, protective services, etc.). MMP believes in the rule of law, and the need to enforce our nation's laws. If the nations' laws change, so be it. But until they do, the current laws should be enforced. Ignoring the issues is not a strategy for long-term success.

The Minuteman Project began with citizen volunteers who manned positions on our nations borders, kept vigilant watch and notified the U.S. Border Patrol of illegal crossings and/or what appeared to be attempts to enter our country illegally. Then President Bush characterized them as "vigilantes," when in truth they were ordinary U.S. Citizens, concerned for our country and wanting to participate in civil activism to send a message to Washington that their priorities are all wrong.

I denounce the attempt to portray the Minuteman movement and Minuteman Project as a series of squabbles over tiny and insignificant events. This article needs a complete re-write, with a nuetral point of view, that recognizes that Americans are concerned about national security, border crossings, drugs entering our country through porous borders and the success of the Minuteman movement in meeting the need and expressing voters discontent with the business as usual approach of Washington, D.C.

Minuteman is not a series of incidents - it's grassroots patriotism and American activism at it's best. 70.183.17.26 (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2010 (UTC) RadisRadis
 * See WP:SOAPBOX -- Neil N   talk to me  00:36, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the anon has a bit of a point, why keep a paragraph about a single illegal-immigrant holding up a T-shirt? - Schrandit (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The ACLU got involved so it has some notability. But my comment was directed more towards phrases like "...it's grassroots patriotism and American activism at it's best." -- Neil N   talk to me  01:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Making the page shorter
This article was very long. Part of that I believe is because there were sections for three other groups on the page. First, these groups should have their own page rather than making this even longer; and second, the content of the groups violated NPOV. They have been removed. Panfakes 13:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete
I propose this article be deleted, and The Minuteman Project Inc. moved here. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is not called "Minuteman Project." Tim Long 02:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed; done. Old title (The Minuteman Project Inc) was awkward, anyways, and Minuteman Project is the better-known name. ~ S0CO ( talk 21:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Indymedia is not a reliable source
From Wikipedia policy about self published sources :

"Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources."

Indymedia appears to be a site in which anyone can upload an article, similar to Wikipedia but for news. I'm removing all information using this site as a reference. Please reply if you have a reason why it should be quoted. Panfakes 17:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

 * That's correct. Indynedia is just a big forum, and forums can never be used as sources, except for articles about themslves. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 06:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

POV
This article has become greatly anti-MMP. Clean-up is needed. CASCADIA Howl/Trail 02:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to weed out the links and some unnecessary info. Ex: the same blog being linked 4-5 times. This article is long enough as it is. Panfakes 14:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to agree. It seems rather suspicious that nearly 1/3 of this article accuses MMP of connections with neo-nazi organizations, with the only source being a single blog entry on an activist website. I think it would be safe to remove this section, or at least greatly shorten it unless other reputable sources can be located.

 * It would be better to say the ADL has claimed that there are neo-nazi connections, rather than asserting it as true with only a single blog entry on ADL's website as evidence.

 * To be fair, the MMP homepage itself claims it was once associated with neo-nazi groups, but has since broken from them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.183.68 (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The part about the Riddle guy saying his favorite activities include "ethnic cleansing" is suspicious. I checked out the source and there's nothing in it about a guy named riddle or the other stuff it talks about in that paragraph. Mrwnt10 02:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Major cleanup and restructuring needed
This article has increasingly become a depository for criticism of the Minuteman Project. I have attempted to reorganize (as opposed to deleting) critical content, but this is starting to get ridiculous. In order to meet the standards of Wikipedia, the use of reliable sources must take precedence over blog entries such as the ADL blog that has been cited so liberally in this article. Many slanderous statements have been published citing this blog entry, even some which the entry itself made no allusion to.

I think it is very telling that the Spanish-language version of this page is more disciplined and neutral than its English counterpart. Perhaps it should be the model that is followed?

The article does not even clearly state what the Minuteman Project does. "They monitor the border": What does that mean? Are they armed? Are they violent? Peaceful? Do they shoot at illegal immigrants? Report them? Take pictures? Have they been effective by any measure? Instead we are treated to detailed descriptions of related controversies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.143.247 (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I second that - by reading this article I have no idea what the MMP actually does. Surely, if they are an evil, racist hate group then it could be explained what actions they take to deserve such a label.

I agree - someone seems intent on making the Minuteman Project out to be a series of incidents, clashes and/or disputes. The Minuteman Movement is real and for many Minuteman Project Inc is the voice of the movement. Minuteman Project is about educating and raising awareness of the border related issues (national safety and security, lax immigration law enforcement, inadequate funding of the Border Patrol and insufficient numbers of law enforcement personnel. Additionally, the societal costs of illegal immigration, the hidden costs (increased law enforcement, health care, and education for example) that are borne by our taxpayers.  Minuteman Project also advocates for a full national debate on the issue of illegal immigration and possible immigration law reform.  In the meantime, the laws we have ought to be enforced or changed.  Until they are changed, law enforcement should enforce our nation's laws - not ignore them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.183.17.26 (talk) 17:05, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Support section
I deleted the unsourced parts of the support section, not to eliminate validity to their organization but because simply-put, no verifiable source can be found to back them up. Also, there's no need to say that hispanics support them. Should we also say there are African-Americans, Vietnamese people, and two people from Finland in the group? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.27.213.170 (talk • contribs).
 * If we're going to go through and delete unsourced material, it would be best to do it throughout the entire article rather than simply erasing half of the support section (including parts that were adequately cited). To do otherwise would just add imbalance to what is already a very POV article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.15.226.72 (talk • contribs).

Why did someone remove sections criticizing Minutemen?
today the sections containing criticism of the group was removed, including allegations that some Minuteman videotaped a murder of an illegal immigrant. Some serious monkeying around is being done here. If this is allowed, then the article loses its NPOV and needs to be thrown out or entirely rewritten. Robert J Nagle 03:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I've restored it, but it may beed further work to maintina neutrality. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 03:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

So I guess we need to "maintain neutrality" on the KKK articles too?

Racist language
Today I saw that this article referred to a group of immigrants as "lolipop pushers". This is completely ridiculous. If we have to allow the racists to edit the page about themselves, we need to at least keep a close eye on what they're writing. I've already reverted it to NPOV, and would appreciate non-offensive language in the future. 68.101.77.56 22:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Watch the personal attacks. By calling the Minutemen racists, you're undermining your credibility, although in this case I completely agree that "lollipop pusher" is abhorrent and racist and should not be included. StaticElectric 02:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This article is a NPOV disaster
At least four or five sections that are anti-Minutemen, and one short section in favor. Either more positive coverage should be allowed, or the other stuff needs a serious look. Is there a way of filing a formal complaint regarding NPOV on Wikipedia? StaticElectric 02:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Not every group gets a lot of positive publicity. This article already has a "POV" tag on it. If you want to get more input I recommend filing a "request for comment". WP:RfC ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 04:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

SPLC's views
Why is it that a group, the Southern Poverty Law Center here, is the final arbiter of what is or is not a "hate group"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.162.164.144 (talk) 22:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Mainly because thats how they promote themselves. In fact SPLC is very biased. Case and point would be considering Ramos and Compean as a hate crime. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?site_area=1&aid=292 The problem is, they were never prosecuted on that nor as far as I know were they ever arrested on that. I've read the case, Congress has read and been involved with the case, both Democrats and Republicans have asked Bush to pardon, or revisit the case. Evidence pertinent to their defense was barred by the court. Since the arrest of the victim in this hate crime, for bringing drugs across the border again (3rd or 4th time), I think the courts are finally thinking of looking at the case again. This is SPLC's hate crime.

SPLC does this all the time. I've tried to use them as a resource but the truth is they don't cite facts for most of what they say, so its questionable to use them a source in my view. Wmb1957 19:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Did SPLC claim that Ramos and Compean were convincted of a hate crime? If not, it's mostly irrelevant. They are perfectly entitled to form an opinion at odds with the convinction. Whether they are a sufficiently noteable organisation for the opinion to be mentioned here, I'm not sure. Note that in any case, it's simply an opinion. We don't claim that Minuteman Project are a extreme nativist group simply that the SPLC consider them one. This is the same, for example, as to the way we don't say XYZ is a terrorist group, simply country ABC considers them one Nil Einne (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Counterprotests at Minuteman events
Counterprotestors against the Minutemen have included Anti-Racist Action, International ANSWER the Revolutionary Communist Party, the Progressive Labor Party, the International Socialist Organization, the AntiMinutemen Defendants, the Free People's Movement, the Bay Area Coalition to Fight the Minutemen, Coalicion Deporten a la Migra, the Brown Berets, the American Indian Movement, the Zapatista Solidarity Coalition, the Philadelphia Revolutionary Marxist Collective, the Sacramento Mexican American Political Association, the Brown Syndicate, the Brass Liberation Orchestra, the Chicano Consortium, Sacramento Food Not Bombs, anarchists, and other anti-conservative and anti-border activists. --Grondor (talk) 20:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Your point being? ~ S0CO ( talk 16:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Criticism
In the section about groups that protest against the MMP, I found this sentance: "...The Catholic Church, anarchists, and other anti-conservative and anti-border enforcement activists." Not only is there no citation for the entire Catholic Church, officially or unofficially, protesting against them, there is also no indication why the Catholic Church is labeled "anti-conservative and anti-border enforcement". Finally, couldn't the writer have found a wiki link for Catholic Church? Honestly. Pop6 (talk) 20:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that always looked a little suspect to me too. If you have not already you should take it down. - Schrandit (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Requests for Contributions
For at least two years, I've received frequent requests for financial contributions from the Minuteman Project. Being cautious by nature, I have not sent any funds, but have replied, over and over again, requesting copies of the organization's latest financial data (audited income statement and balance sheet). I've also advised that until I receive such data, I will not contribute. There has never been a response to my repeated requests, which leads me to believe that 1)envelopes are opened and checks etc. are removed; 2)if no check etc. is enclosed, everything is discarded; 3)no one bothers to take my name off the mailing list, and; 4)if the foregoing assumptions are correct, then we are looking at a large and well-publicized scam, one in which the organization does expend monies for training, travel, equipment and other legitimate expenses, but is either failing to keep accurate records, is wasting a large percentage of moneys received on professional fund-raisers, or is diverting money elsewhere. This whole thing stinks to high Heaven. I hope I'm mistaken about this because I am 100% against illegal immigration and the abuses it perpetuates.

Harry S R (talk) 02:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Harry - the Minuteman Project uses a fundraising organization to solicit funds to support their efforts. The mailers that you return to a P.O. Box are forwarded to another company, a caging operation, that opens the envelopes, processes the checks, deposits them and enters donor information in the computer. I cannot say why they don't honor your requests to have your name removed from their lists (they should).

The professional fundraising organization has been very successful in introducing Minuteman Project and the border related issues to individuals, raising their awareness of the border issues and giving them an opportunity to participate. All of the solicitations have not been about money - for example, several were about signing a petition encouraging President Bush to pardon agents Ramos and Campeon of the U.S. Border Patrol (they were charged criminally for violating the rights of a Mexican national attempting an illegal border crossing). Minuteman Project sent more than 75,000 mailings requesting support for a pardon of Ramos and Campeon. Under increased political pressure, President Bush did not pardon the agents, but instead commuted their sentences.

I suggest you contact Minuteman Project via their website and contact us information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.183.17.26 (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

NPOV
This article is now ridiculously pro-MM. I was linked to this article from the Wikipedia article about vigilantism. That article contains the statement "The Minuteman Project have beed (sic) described as vigilantes dedicated to expelling people who cross the US-Mexico border illegally." This is sourced twice. This article, in contrast, contains no sourced information about them being a supposed vigilante organization except the section about a fake video. The article opens with text about protesters attacking Minutemen members, without describing at all what the organization does, which makes the protests seem unjustified and biases the reader towards the Minutemen from the beginning. Furthermore, under "counter protests," it lists as major protesters against the minutemen "the Revolutionary Communist Party, the Progressive Labor Party, the International Socialist Organization," "the Zapatista Solidarity Coalition, the Philadelphia Revolutionary Marxist Collective" and "anarchists." These groups are listed blatantly for the purposes of identifying the opponents of the Minutemen with communism, with no citations backing this section up whatsoever. I suggest it be removed immediately, and I'd like to put an NPOV tag on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.155.184 (talk) 18:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Though your points are valid, they have been brought up a couple of times already, and there is already a NPOV tag present. Armuk (talk) 18:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

It does not appear that there has been a discussion on removal of the NPOV tag (which is not here now), so I'll put it back up.Apothecia (talk) 20:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Deleting unsourced material
In the past couple of months some IPs have added a large amount of unsourced material. Since the material concerns living people, I've removed. Please don't restore or add anything that isn't verifiable.  Will Beback   talk    06:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Will be back seems intent on keeping this listing of Minuteman Project bent in one direction - painting MMP as a bunch of no good racists. Efforts to put a statement as to the purpose of the group, the groups events (successes, accomplishments and sometimes it's controversies) and an attempt by yes, real individuals with names to pirate the organization - he seems intent to keep this listing a pile of dung.

The individuals lost their right to remain anonomous when they stepped into the public spotlight, attempted to hijack the organization, accused the Minuteman Project founder of wrong-doing and then launched a e-mail blast and media campaign to smear Gilchrist. Marvin L. Stewart claimed to be the new Minuteman Project President and Deborah Courtney claimed to be the organization's Secretary/Treasurer and Barbara Coe, of the California Coalition on Immigration Reform (CCIR) resigned her position with Minuteman Project, Inc. but then participated in a lawsuit against Gilchrist.

The material posted is consistent with the news reports that widely publicize the hijackers names, the material was being sources - but Will Be the judge of that didn't allow the material to be sourced - removing it within six minutes of posting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.183.17.26 (talk) 17:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

NPOV
I placed a pov tag because the bulk of the article only discusses incidents and criticism with barely any mention of what the organization is. Showtime2009 (talk) 05:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Is the organization notable for what it does or is it notable for the controversy it creates? -- Neil N   talk to me  05:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

You were right to do so. Will Be There is intent on keeping Minuteman Project looking like nothing but a string of controversies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.183.17.26 (talk) 17:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Support from National Alliance and Aryan Nations
I removed this sentence:

"The organizations National Alliance and Aryan Nations have endorsed the Minuteman Project, the latter proclaiming it, 'a call for action on part of all Aryan soldiers.'"

Although it simply states the facts, its conspicuous inclusion in this section undermines NPOV. There are many mainstream groups that support the Minuteman Project, and it seems unfair to devote one of three paragraphs in the "Support" section to groups that most people would view as racist and fringe. This would be akin to mentioning that a prominent group of communists support the United States Democratic Party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwenger (talk • contribs) 14:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Shawna Forde
There should be some greater history added, I think, some mention of the consequences of this group of individuals, including the murders allegedly committed by members of the group. The problem is that doing so it would be 'very' difficult to remain NPOV. Still, the KKK entry covers the violent history, it seems reasonable to suggest that this entry also carry some background in to member history. Damotclese (talk) 16:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree that there should be more history added to this page. I did some research and found these sources that could be helpful. The consequences should be addressed, it is a vital part of the topic that can't be ignored. http://www.minutemanhq.com/pdf_files/norwood_minuteman_report_61705.pdf http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/article_e1078ca2-09b3-5530-9aec-adc4dd545eba.html http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2005/summer/arizona-showdown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.2.225 (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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Based on which law?
The article gives me no idea on which law this "project" is based. As a German I do not understand why the government of a sovereign state allows private persons to monitor its borders. Are they allowed to shoot "illegal" immigrants? Instead you get a lot of information about the controversies surrounding this organisation. The POV of this article does not seem very neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.6.123.80 (talk) 19:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Born in 1080, in Dunfermline, Scotland, Matilda's parents were King Malcolm III and Margaret of Wessex. She was therefore a descendant of both the Scottish and the Anglo-Saxon royal families, great-granddaughter of Edmund Ironside and descended from Alfred the Great. The Scottish princess was christened Edith. Present at the baptismal font were Robert Curthose standing as her godfather, and Queen Matilda of England as her godmother. The infant Edith pulled at Matilda's headdress, which was seen as an omen that the child would one day be a queen.

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Succession crisis
During her stay at Romsey and later at Wilton Abbey, the still 13-year-old Edith was much sought-after as a bride, with Hériman of Tournai claiming that even King William II of England considered marrying her. She refused proposals from William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, and Alan Rufus, Lord of Richmond. However, her parents betrothed Edith to the latter in 1093. Before the marriage could take place, both her father and older brother Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick in November 1093. Upon hearing of the death of both her husband and her son, Queen Margaret died on 16 November. Edith's paternal uncle Donald usurped the throne of Scotland, and her surviving brothers, Edgar, Alexander, and David, were sent to England to the court of King William II for safety. Shortly afterwards, the orphan princess was abandoned by her betrothed, who eloped with Gunhild of Wessex, a daughter of Harold Godwinson. Alan Rufus died, however, before marrying Gunhild.

Around this time, possibly due to the succession conflict in Scotland between her uncle Donald III, her half-brother Duncan II and her brother Edgar, Edith left the monastery. In 1093, Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury wrote to the Bishop of Salisbury, ordering that "the daughter of the late King of Scotland be returned to the monastery that she had left". Edith did not return to Wilton, however, and is largely unaccounted for in chronicles until 1100. As her home in Scotland was held by her uncle, it is possible, likely even, that Edith joined her brothers at the English court of William Rufus, who supported her brother Edgar in assuming the throne of Scotland in 1097.

Problematic engagement
After William II's death in the New Forest in August 1100, his brother Henry immediately seized the royal treasury and crown. He was manipulative and profoundly clever, known for his strict but proper government and utterly merciless nature in case of war or rebellion. His next task was to marry and his choice was Edith, whom he had known for some time. William of Malmesbury stated that Henry had "long been attached" to her, Orderic Vitalis said that Henry had "long adored" her character and capacity. Some sources add that she was "not bad looking" despite that she did not improve her appearance through face painting. It is possible that Edith spent time at William Rufus's court, along with her brothers, and that the pair had met there, but Henry could have been introduced to her by his teacher Bishop Osmund.

Henry had been born in England, but a bride with ties to the ancient Wessex line would increase his popularity with the English and help to reconcile the Normans and Anglo-Saxons. Edith was a great-granddaughter of Edmund Ironside from the royal family of Wessex, in their heirs, the two factions would be united, further unifying the new regime. Another benefit was that England and Scotland became politically closer; three of her brothers became kings of Scotland in succession and were unusually friendly towards England: Alexander I married Sybilla, one of Henry I's illegitimate daughters, and David I lived at Henry's court for some time before his accession.

Because Edith had spent much of her life in a convent, there was some controversy over whether she was a nun and thus canonically ineligible for marriage. During her time at Romsey Abbey, her aunt Christina forced her to wear a veil. Strong-willed, Edith was ready to fight for her status as a marriageable woman rather than staying in a monastery, despite the fact that her aunt insisted she "was a veiled nun, and that it would be an act of sacrilege to remove her from her convent." When Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury returned to England after a long exile, she sought him out to convince him that she had never been a nun. In fact, she had not only been forced to wear a veil, but her father had "ripped off the offensive headdress [...] and tore it to shreds" at sight of her being veiled.

Professing himself unwilling to decide so weighty a matter on his own, Anselm called a council of bishops in order to determine the canonical legality of the proposed marriage and ordered two inquiries at Wilton to get first-hand information on the matter. Edith testified that she had never taken holy vows, insisting that her parents had sent her to England for educational purposes and her aunt had veiled her to protect her "from the lust of the Normans," but she had pulled the veil off and stamped on it, which made her aunt beat and scold her. The council concluded that Edith was not a nun, she never had been, and her parents had not intended that she become one, giving their permission for the marriage.

Queen of England
Edith and Henry were married on 11 November 1100 at Westminster Abbey by Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury. At the end of the ceremony, Edith was crowned and took the regnal name of "Matilda", a hallowed Norman name. The exact reason for the name change remains unclear, though historians suspect she did it in an attempt to please her Norman subjects and husband. By courtiers, however, she and her husband were soon nicknamed 'Godric and Godiva', two typical English names from before the Norman conquest of England in derision of their more rustic style, especially when compared to William II's flamboyance. Despite this, Matilda's court at Westminster was filled with poets. She was known as a patron of the arts, especially music.

Regency and diplomacy
Acting as regent of England during her husband's frequent absences for military campaigns in Normandy and France, Queen Matilda was the designated head of King Henry's court. She went on travels around England and probably visited Normandy in 1106–1107.

During the English investiture controversy of 1103–07, Matilda acted as intercessor between King Henry and Archbishop Anselm. She wrote several letters during Anselm's absence, first asking him for advice and to return, but later increasingly to mediate. With the Queen's help, the issue was resolved through a compromise solution in 1105: the King gave up the right to pick and invest his own bishops, but the Church agreed that he could receive homage from the bishops for the temporal lands the Church held in his domains.

Building projects
Matilda had a small dower but it did incorporate lordship rights, which allowed her to administer her properties. Most of her dower estates were granted from lands previously held by Edith of Wessex. Additionally, King Henry made numerous grants to the Queen, including substantial property in London, a political move made in order to win over the unruly Londoners who were vehement supporters of the Wessex Kings.

Matilda had a great interest in architecture and used her considerable income to instigate the construction of many Norman-style buildings, including Waltham Abbey and Holy Trinity Aldgate. After her retinue encountered problems crossing the River Lea to get to Barking Abbey, the Queen built the first arched bridge in England at Stratford-le-Bow, with a causeway across the marshes.

Like her mother, Matilda was renowned for her devotion to the poor, building public lavatories at Queenhithe and a bathhouse with piped-in water. She exhibited a particular interest in leprosy, founding at least two leper hospitals, including the institution that later became the parish church of St Giles-in-the-Fields.

Marriage negotiations with Henry V
In late 1108 or early 1109, King Henry V of Germany sent envoys to Henry I proposing a marriage alliance between himself and the King's daughter Matilda. He also wrote separately to Queen Matilda on the same matter. The match was attractive to the English king: by marrying his daughter to one of the most prestigious monarchs in Europe, it would reaffirm his own, slightly dubious, status as the youngest son of a new royal house, and it would gain him an ally in his conflicts with France. In return, Henry V would receive a dowry of 10,000 marks to fund his expedition to Rome for his coronation as the Holy Roman emperor. The final details of the deal were hammered out at Westminster in June 1109, and Matilda left England in February 1110 to travel to Germany in preparation for her marriage.

Piety
Queen Matilda was described as "a woman of exceptional holiness, in piety her mother's rival, and in her own character exempt from all evil influence." She was remembered by her subjects as Mathilda bona regina and for a time sainthood was sought for her, though she was never canonized.

Matilda was known for her generosity towards the church, founding and supporting cloisters and hospitals for leprosies. Malmesbury described her as attending church barefoot at Lent, as well as washing the feet and kissing the hands of the sick. Queen Matilda was patroness of the monk Bendeit's version of The Voyage of Saint Brendan, written around 1106–1118. She also commissioned the monk Thurgot of Durham, to write a biography of her mother, Saint Margaret.

Issue
While Henry had numerous illegitimate children by various mistresses, he and Matilda had two children who reached adulthood:
 * Matilda (7 February 1102 – 10 September 1167)
 * William Adelin (5 August 1103 – 25 November 1120)

The couple may have also had a stillborn child in July 1101. Some historians, such as Chibnall, have claimed that there was no pregnancy before the one with Empress Matilda "as it allows no time for a normal second pregnancy". Through Matilda, the post-Norman conquest English monarchs were related to the Anglo-Saxon House of Wessex monarchs.

Death
On 1 May 1118, Matilda died at Westminster Palace. Allegedly, three of her Anglo-Saxon ladies-in-waiting were so distraught by the Queen's death that they immediately became nuns. She would have liked to have been buried at Holy Trinity, Aldgate, but King Henry asked for her to be buried at Westminster Abbey near Edward the Confessor. The inscription on her tomb reads: "Here lies the renowned queen Matilda the second, excelling both young and old of her day. She was for everyone the benchmark of morals and the ornament of life."

The death of Matilda's son, William Adelin, in the disaster of the White Ship (November 1120) and her widower's failure to produce a legitimate son from his second marriage led to the succession crisis and, as a consequence, a long civil war. During his reign, Stephen of Blois insisted that Queen Matilda had in fact been a nun and that her daughter, Empress Matilda, was therefore not a legitimate successor to the English throne.

Queen Matilda's reputation considerably improved throughout the reign of her grandson Henry II, but she was remembered to a continuously lesser extent between the late 13th and 14th centuries.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Autosexuality

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Autosexuality
This page refers to people who have sexual attraction to themselves therefore they are gay. This concept is not widely known; plus it sounds like a rare concept.

 * Redirect and merge to Homosexuality. I cannot imagine people who are autosexual.  It would be like the earth only having one road to travel on. --TheSamurai 03:23, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I would suggest redirect to Narcissism. RickK 03:30, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Note that the page does not actually say that autosexuals are gay, but that some people consider them to be so. FreplySpang (talk) 03:57, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * May as well keep it, as nothing can rightly be discredited. Let it develop. --Asriel86 04:27, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Nothing can be verified either. Keep if references to articles on autosexuality in psychology journals are added, otherwise delete. Don't merge with Narcissism, though, which seems to be primarily nonsexual in nature and which is already long enough for about three articles. --Angr/comhrá 05:12, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * PubMed turns up a few discussions of autosexual behavior from a variety of authors,
 * Keep, and expand. Megan1967 07:48, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If nothing else, this explains the autofellatio craze around here. --iMb~Meow 12:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for growth. Shimmin 13:31, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * U guys aren't getting my proposal; 1st of all, Autosexuality is rarely heard of therefore this article is superfluous. I suggest a redirect and merge to Homosexuality since it is just a version of homosexuality. --TheSamurai 21:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * No we heard your first vote, and dont agree. Keep.  ALKIVAR ™[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 22:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Really, anyone who has taken a human development course has probably run into this term. One old text I have defines it as "The love of oneself; the stage at which the child becomes aware of himself or herself as a source of sexual pleasure, and consciously experiments with masturbation." The ideas that this is unusual (as suggested by the current article) or "rarely heard" (as suggested by SamuraiClinton) are odd. --iMb~Meow 23:43, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 21:50, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --Kyknos 23:00, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I have heard of this term before, and also there is a term for someone who is sexually attracted to no one. However, if you all still want a vote, I'll err on the side of inclusion and vote keep. Zscout370 00:54, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * REDIRECT to narcissism 132.205.95.62 02:32, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly how are you gay if you're attracted to yourself? If you're attracted to others of your sex, you're gay. If you're attracted to yourself, you're a narcissist... If you're attracted to yourself to the exclusion of all else, you're still a narcissist...
 * You seem to be claiming that narxissism is different than gayness; I think it is a form of gayness. Also, nobody is getting my POV; I want this redirected and merged to Homosexuality.
 * KEEP this is a very specific pratice that has NOTHING to do with narcissism any more then masterbation does, nor with homosexuality, etc
 * Keep. Evil Monkey∴Hello 03:00, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm convinced there's enough to be said about it for it to have its own article. I look forward to its growth. T IMBO  ( T A L K )  03:47, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Strongly against merging with homosexuality - they are different orientations.  Srcastic 05:17, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems to be a valid, unbiased definition and does not imply that autosexuality = gay Joel Gilmore 06:29, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but ensure this does not fill up with nonsense again. Not the same thing as homosexuality. -- Karada 07:32, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that User:SamuraiClinton went against current consensus, merged the content of Autosexuality into Homosexuality, removed the VfD notice, redirected, and then "closed" this VfD discussion. I have since reverted the discussion but have not reverted any of the other changes. android↔talk 14:19, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Quite distinct from Homosexuality and Narcissism. It could well refer to a practice for those who have no other "normal" outlet. I can't believe that User:SamuraiClinton aka TheSamurai is still on the loose still creating all this finger callousing. ;-) hydnjo talk 17:27, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep especially since the queer reference is removed. I have stumbled across that word before there even was a Wikipedia, hence the entry is perfectly legit. If there is really a considerable debate about whether it qualifies as queer/gay/lesbian/homosexual, a seperate paragraph should be added, because AFAIK, usualy it is not. -- AlexR 17:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've really and truly tried to help SamuraiClinton, but if this behavior continues, I may file an RfC.  Sam, if you're reading this, please straighten up! - Lucky 6.9 18:07, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Do not merge.  Autosexuality has nothing to do with homosexuality (or heterosexuality) --Carnildo 19:26, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Would autosexuality relate at all to muscle worship? Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy)  01:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Spinboy 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Do not merge. There's an article on this in my psychology book, I think. Thechamelon 00:23, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Do not merge. Also should be added to the sexual_orientation article along with asexuality.  Ted-m 00:01, Apr 17, 2005 (EDT)
 * Keep do not merge, I can see clearly how autosexuality (sexual orientation) could be different from both narcissism (psychology), and homosexuality (alternate orientation, same sex is incidental not chosen here), and masturbation (sexual act). FT2 18:48, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
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List of Australian Open women's doubles champions

This is a list of all the champions of the women's doubles event for the Australian Open.


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Disambiguation
How is this template supposed to work for disambiguation? See Minuteman Project, where it's being used to link to a Paul Harris, but it's the wrong Paul Harris. I tried to edit the page to make the link into a disambiguation, but I can't figure out how to do it when using the citenewsauthor template. RickK 03:25, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * I second this. Without the ability to handle disambiguation, it's broken. Does anyone know how to fix the template? If it's not possible to fix this, maybe there should be an alternative template that does not automatically insert link brackets . --Chl 15:22, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

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This template creates a weird formatting problem if no is specified. For example:

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Replacing with template:cite news
I'm starting to replace inclusions of citenewsauthor with cite news. The parameters are mapped as follows:

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Settings for WP:AWB:

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Talk:Dishwalla

(-feel free to delete this post at any time-) -much love to "aNgelika" for being a fan of Dishwalla, but I think we can all agree that aNgelika is not an official member of the band.

can we have a serious conversation about their attempt to get feminist chicks in the sack? i think this is an important aspect of their creative gestalt kthx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.35.125 (talk) 05:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC) ? Name origin:  Nope, wrong. The band is having you all on. It's a mispronunciation of "dishwater." Why do I say this? Because when they came to play in Waterplace Park in Providence, RI those many years ago, there were "band stickers" all over their equipment that said "Dishwater" to identify their equipment from that of others. Yes this is original research, seen with my own eyes. But since the truth is boring and the "legend" is more interesting and since WP will revert anything resembling original research, I'll not edit, but rather leave this here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.109.225.12 (talk) 23:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011
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 * http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B9ta9qj2yojda

Bias?
I don't care enough to try and fix it, but this article has a tone that screams pro-Dishwalla bias. Some of it reads like a trimmed down press release. danzig138 (talk) 05:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vincent Margera

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Vincent Margera
Being the cousin of someone from jackass doesn't make a person encyclopedia worthy, delete --nixie 03:26, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, he's a main character on Viva La Bam. Rhobite 04:58, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. Megan1967 07:44, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Since we haven't VFD'd Phil and Ape, I think he should stay too. Mike H 07:45, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability does not automatically spread through a family. Radiant_* 10:10, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep if he's a major character on Viva La Bam as Rhobite says. Kappa 10:28, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, as Rhobite says. Mushroom 14:36, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. - Darwinek 08:38, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Collins.mc 14:46, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/April 11, 2005

X3d-Fritz was NOT built by IBM, as the synopsis on the main page suggests.

Grammatical errors
There are two grammatical errors on the main page summary. The second sentence should read, "He is the highest rated on the FIDE ...", and the word as should be removed from the final sentence: "... been credited with the invention of Advanced Chess, as a new form of chess ..." Binabik80 15:37, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Haqiqa

This article needs to explain what this means. RickK 03:28, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently an Arab word meaning "truth" or "reality". See . - Mike Rosoft 18:28, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I understand that Haqiqa may be best explained in the context of the other three stages, but then the article title should not be "Haqiqa" but something like "four stages in Sufism", reflecting article scope. --dab (𒁳) 09:12, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Şeriat Tarikat Hakikat Marifet
the Turks write them like that... Böri (talk) 11:21, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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Halls Crossroads, Tennessee

Halls Crossroads (known locally as Halls) is a census-designated place in northern Knox County, Tennessee. As a northern suburb of nearby Knoxville, Halls is included in the Knoxville Metropolitan Statistical Area. The town takes its name from the Thomas Hall family that settled in the area in the late 18th century.

The population at the 2020 census was 10,341.

History
In 1785, the North Carolina General Assembly passed a bill instructing militiamen to cut and clear a road by the most eligible route to Nashville at least ten feet wide and fit for passage of wagons and carts. This road is now known as Emory Road, which runs along a stretch of Tennessee State Route 131 in the Halls Crossroads area. One of the earliest settlers was Thomas Hall who arrived in the valley around 1796 from Orange County, North Carolina. Hall married Nancy Hais on September 25, 1783, two years after his release from a British prisoner of war camp in Charleston, South Carolina. He fought for freedom and was captured by the British in the Siege of Charleston. For this service the U.S. government presented Hall a parcel of land. It is to this northern side of Black Oak Ridge that Hall settled.

Two generations later Thomas Hall's grandson Pulaski went west during the California Gold Rush and settled on a ranch in Oregon. He returned to Halls and married Joyce Hall, September 8, 1859. Pulaski and his family owned and operated one of the first businesses in the Halls area as early as 1860, which included a general store and inn as well as a blacksmith shop. The store was known as Halls Crossroads due to its location at the crossroads of Emory Road and Maynardville Pike, giving the basis for the name behind the unincorporated town. The name Halls Crossroads would be officially recognized by the state of Tennessee for the community, in order to prevent confusion with Halls in Lauderdale County, an incorporated town.

Halls High School was one of the first schools in the area. Founded in 1916, the school was named for Pulaski Hall.

As of the present day, Halls Crossroads has grown into an unincorporated suburban town, with many occupied and unoccupied greyfields. With the recent annexations of land extending near Halls Crossroads, any proposal to annex the community would face conflict from its residents. In the early 2010s, plans were proposed for the redevelopment of many of the community's vacant commercial sites, including a mixed-use town centre, an urban farm, and a greenway system.

Geography
Halls Crossroads is located in the Ridge-and-Valley Appalachians, which are characterized by long, narrow ridges that run in a northeast–southwest direction. The community is nestled between several such ridges, most notably Black Oak Ridge and Beaver Ridge, which divide Halls Crossroads from Fountain City to the south. Along with Fountain City, adjacent communities include Powell to the west, Corryton to the east, and the city of Maynardville to the north. Halls is drained by the Beaver Creek Watershed. Beaver Creek runs through the center of Halls Crossroads, and parallel to State Route 131, known locally as Emory Road, flowing 25 miles to the Clinch River.

It is located at 36.08028°N, -83.9425°W. It has an elevation of 1,040 feet.

Education
Knox County Schools operates six public schools in the Halls community including Halls Elementary School, Adrian Burnett Elementary School, Brickey-McCloud Elementary School, Halls High School, and Halls Middle School. Private schools nearby include Garden Montessori School, Temple Baptist Academy, Natures Way Montessori School, and St. Joseph School.

Economy
The community is the site of the locally famous Halls Stockyards, a cattle auction facility. Halls Crossroads is also home to numerous stores and restaurants.

Infrastructure
Halls Crossroads is serviced by the Hallsdale-Powell Utility District and Knoxville Utilities Board, for wastewater, municipal water, and electricity respectively.

Recreation
Nearby golf courses and country clubs include Beaver Brook Golf & Country Club, Three Ridges Golf Course, and Beverly Park Junior Golf Course. Halls Community Park features multiple ball fields, a playground, and a community center. The park is connected to the Halls Greenway, a hiking and biking trail that runs along Beaver Creek to the Halls Library. The Halls Senior Center features amenities like a computer center, a billiards room, conference rooms, arts and craft centers, and a community kitchen.

The John Sevier Hunter Education Center (JSHEC) is located on Rifle Range Road in Halls Crossroads. It is a multi-use facility managed by the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency for the public. The center provides Hunter Education classes and has various firearm and archery ranges.

Halls Crossroads is home to many large churches, most notably Beaver Dam Baptist Church, the oldest church in Knox County, and one of the oldest churches in the state of Tennessee.

Notable people

 * Michael L. Campbell, founder and chairman of Regal Entertainment Group
 * Pete DeBusk, founder and chairman of DeRoyal Industries
 * Chad Pennington, NFL quarterback
 * Trevor Bayne, American NASCAR Sprint Cup Series and Nationwide Series racer.

Media

 * Shopper-News
 * WMYL 96.7 FM

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