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Arena Name
Whoever changed the arena name and said "wikipedia is not a crystal ball" should pay attention to the news and not edit stuff if they don't know what they are talking about. The new arena is officially named the "Steelback Centre" and they have a 10 year, 1.5 million dollar deal in place.

 * The deal will not be official until the city council approves it Monday night at council. Once they ratify it the name can be changed. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball is official Wiki policy. Respect it. BoojiBoy 20:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

BoojiBoy is correct annoymous...while there is no doubt whatsoever that the arena will be named The Steelback Centre it is not actually official yet. --Jay8 23:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

NHL Alumni
What criteria is being used for addition to the NHL alumni category? There are several former Hounds who have played in the NHL not included on the list. Aaron Gavey, Ryan Jardine, Troy Mallette, Derek King, Jeff Beukeboom, Steve Graves, Steve Smith, Steve Gatzos, Gord Dineen, Doug Shedden, Dan Lucas, Ted Nolan, Charlie Simmer, Jack Valiquette, etc are not included on the list. Some of these guys had great careers while others played only a few games so I didn't know if you were using a minimum number of games or something to list players in that category? Even so, some of the guys mentioned have played 400+ games in the NHL. There could be a lot more players, those are just the ones that jumped out at me while scanning the following page - Hounds NHL draft picks. --Jay8 15:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If you've played one game in the NHL you qualify. Feel free to expand the list. BoojiBoy 18:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Article Title
Shouldn't this be listed under "Soo Greyhounds" which is the official team name rather than the "Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds" which is not? --Jay8 23:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Um, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds is the official name. BoojiBoy 03:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * "Soo Greyhounds" is not the official name of the team. It is an adopted nickname. Flibirigit 04:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Nobody calls them the "Sault Ste Marie" Greyhounds. The official site is "soogreyhounds.com" not "saultstemariegreyhounds.com". Their logo also says "Soo Greyhounds". Anybody searching for Hounds information would be looking for the "Soo Greyhounds" which is what everybody knows them as. There is not a single logo that contains "Sault Ste Marie". I know what your saying, the OHL guides and whatnot refer to them with the SSM, but the team never uses it in any advertising, signs, logo's, media releases, etc. On the way into SSM, there is also a sign that says "Home of the Soo Greyhounds". Just a suggestion, thats all. --Jay8 04:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, that's all true, but the official team name is the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. BoojiBoy 04:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Just try typing in Soo Greyhounds in the search field. See where it gets you. Search and experiment more on wikipedia. Flibirigit 08:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a 10 year old newbie on here so don't talk to me like I am. I was simply referring to the fact that nowhere is the name "Soo Greyhounds" mentioned which is what everyone calls them. --Jay8 14:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * So add it to the flippin' article. I was just responding to your claim that "'Soo Greyhounds' which is the official team name", which is incorrect. BoojiBoy 01:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I was talking to Flibirigit, not you BoojiBoy :) --Jay8 02:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds Jay8. "Soo" is a handy nickname that has become common and fits on the jersey a lot easier than Sault Ste. Marie. However, if you look up the team on the Ontario Hockey League website, you'll find they are listed there as the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds and, if fact, if you look anywhere outside the Soo, you find the team refered to as the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. --James Warner-Smith 00:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

S.S.Marie Grehounds & Sudbury Wolves
I've been working a lot lately... but I've been busy doing research... I've found the WLT records for the Wolves and the Soo Greyhounds from the NOJHL before they expanded... I also found out that when the OHL expanded with Sudbury and the Soo, it forced the NOJHL to fold for around 10 years. If you are interested in having these records... just contact me. DMighton 04:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, I would like to incorporate as much information as possible. I have also picked up the following book. "100 Year of Dropping the Ruck, A History of the OHA" by Ian Young. ISBN # 0-7710-9093-5 Flibirigit 22:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Soo NOJHL Stats
Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds in the NOJHL

Year	 GP	W	L	 T	GF	GA	P    Season	 Playoffs 1962-63 40	28	11	  1	195	105	57   1st Overall Lost in Semis 1963-64 40	20	18	  2	179	202	42   4th Overall Lost in Finals 1964-65 40	24	15	  1	247	172	49   2nd Overall Lost in Semis 1965-66 40	23	15	  2	236	182	48   2nd Overall Lost in Finals 1966-67 40	30	10	  0	290	153	60   1st Overall McNamara Trophy Champions 1967-68 40	24	14	  2	175	141	50   1st Overall Lost in Semis 1968-69 48	34	12	  2	236	152	70   1st Overall Lost in Finals 1969-70 48	34	11	  3	317	195	71   1st Overall McNamara Trophy Champions 1970-71 48	32	14	  2	295	187	66   2nd Overall Lost in Finals 1971-72 52	31	14	  7	272	203	69   1st Overall McNamara Trophy Champions

DMighton 15:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Greyhounds, Thunderbirds and the EPHL
I spent some time today going through copies of the Sault Star from 1959 to 1962 to verify what I believed to be the case about the Sault Ste. Marie team that played in the Eastern Professional Hockey League. In spite of numerous references all over the internet about the Soo Greyhounds of the EPHL, this team never carried the Greyhounds name. The Sault team in the EPHL was the Sault Thunderbirds. I have created a separate page for that team and have moved any information related to that team to that site.

--James Warner-Smith 04:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale completed. Flibirigit (talk) 05:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Team Logo
The team logo is incorrect, there is no black or grey circle anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.247.30 (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Spitfires/Bulldogs
Basically, the Spits were restarted in 1971. In 1973, they changed their name to the Bulldogs. In 1975, the city was granted an OHL club, so they changed the Bulldogs back to the traditional Spitfires and... well, there ya go. Funny though, the hockeydb doesn't even list the name change... I doubt it is anything more than a footnote in the team's history. DMighton 18:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The Windsor Bulldogs name was also used by a Senior Hockey team in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. Flibirigit 22:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is a historical name. DMighton 00:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That is incorrect. The Bulldogs name was not changed to Spitfires. The Spitfires ended the 1974-75 season in the SOJHL and moved right into the OMJHL now the OHL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuart stats spitfires (talk • contribs) 02:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

 * As you can see by the current history on the page... that the Bulldogs name was never used. It was erroneously listed this way on a website (official game puck) and caused us a lot of confusion... four years ago... that has been long since cleared up.  DMighton (talk) 03:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

If it was cleared up why is the comment still on here 4 years later? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuart stats spitfires (talk • contribs) 22:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Because we don't usually delete past conversations on Wikipedia.... when a talk page gets really full, it gets archived... and there really hasn't been a lot of chatter on here. You'll see that from time to time...  I personally know the guy I was conversing with, so we probably finished the conversation via e-mail or at a hockey game.  BTW.. The Windsor Star is extremely informative about the SOJHL-era of the Spits... and their rivalries with Chatham, Guelph, and Detroit... we were able to disprove the "Bulldogs" claim by Official Game Puck through the Windsor Star.  I imagine OGP had the Spits either mixed up with the old Sr. A team or the Royals/Bulldogs/Tec Chiefs/LS Vipers franchise.  DMighton (talk) 03:08, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Mickey Renaud
His number is officially retired. See the following article: http://www.windsorspitfires.com/viewcon.php?id=2447 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetoast84 (talk • contribs)
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Split request
I have come across a source (Simcoe Reformer, 02/11/75, Pg 4) that explains that the original Spitfires moved in 1953 to Hamilton to become the Tiger Cubs. This makes the Original Spitfires a part of the Erie Otters lineage. I think these two Spitfires teams should be separated from each other. DMighton (talk) 20:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Muh. I split them.  DMighton (talk) 00:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

2010-2011 season
This section is becoming a mess, full of minutia. It should either be split off, or cut back to a length comparable to the other OHL teams.  PK T (alk)  16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Completely agree... I think it should be cut down and put in with the "Roster" section... based on most of its content. DMighton (talk) 17:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The section is now much more readable and concise.  PK T (alk)  11:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Original Windsor Spitfires
The actual original Windsor Spitfire team originated at the start of the second world war. They were part of the Michigan - Ontario league which consisted of semi-pro hockey players, who were under professional contracts with the NHL. The Windsor Team had a variety of talented players, including Ivan "Ching" Johnson, from Parry Sound, Ontario, and a current member of the Bobby Orr Hall of Fame. For some reason this team has not been recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjohnson88 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

 * Ching played for these Spitfires: Windsor Spitfires (1946–53).  There were a Spitfires in the MOHL... but they were a senior club originally known as "Windsor Chrysler".  DMighton (talk) 01:42, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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British Passport? So why do we think he "carries a British passport?" How about some research? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.78.78.11 (talk) 20:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably because he was born in Brunei, when it was under British control. How it's important to mention, I don't know.  Grsz 11  20:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

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Revascularization

In medical and surgical therapy, revascularization is the restoration of perfusion to a body part or organ that has had ischemia. It is typically accomplished by surgical means. Vascular bypass and angioplasty are the two primary means of revascularization.

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The Passion of Anna

The Passion of Anna (En passion – "A passion") is a 1969 Swedish drama film written and directed by Ingmar Bergman, who was awarded Best Director at the 1970 National Society of Film Critics Awards for the film.

Plot
The audience is introduced to Andreas Winkelman, a man living alone and emotionally desolate after the recent breakdown of his marriage. A neighbour, Anna, arrives and asks permission to use his phone. She walks with the aid of a cane. (It is later revealed that her husband and son died as a result of her driving off the road.) While Anna uses Andreas' phone, he eaves-drops on her conversation, after which she departs in tears. Anna has left her handbag behind and Andreas looks through it, finding and reading a letter from her husband that reveals that he is unhappy in their marriage and fearful for possible "psychological and physical violence".

The narrative of the film is periodically interrupted by brief footage of each of the four main actors being interviewed (by an unseen Bergman) about their role-characters.

Andreas takes the handbag to where Anna is living and is greeted at the door by the married couple, Eva and Elis, who are also in the midst of psychological turmoil. Elis is an internationally successful architect and amateur photographer who has an extensive archive of portraits categorised according to emotional states. Elis offers to take pictures of Andreas, to which he agrees.

One night while Elis is away, Eva visits Andreas, as she is bored and lonely and finds it hard to sleep. They listen to music and drink wine, which makes her drowsy. Andreas tucks her up on the sofa and she sleeps for some hours. After she awakes they become intimate and go to bed, although this is hardly shown. Afterwards she explains that during her only pregnancy years ago, she went to the hospital to seek treatment for insomnia. There she was mistakenly injected with an excessive dose, which resulted in the death of the child in her womb. She mentions that she and Elis both wept after this, and it is the only time she has seen him weep.

Elis photos Andreas. Elis agrees to organise the validation of a bank-loan sought by Andreas and gives him a typing task in order to help Andreas have the funds to pay back the loan. Eva arrives and when left alone with Andreas for a moment, warns him to be "careful" as regards Anna. Elis comes back and Eva asks him why he has a nasty look. He says that he only gets upset by trivialities.

Andreas and Anna are now living together at his house. Anna appears zealous in her faith and steadfast in her search for truth but gradually her delusions come to the surface. She describes a dream of hers, which seems to follow the events of Shame, where she emerges on an island helpless, witness to the horrors of war. For his part Andreas is unable to overcome his feelings of anxiety and disconnection, further dooming his relationship with Anna.

Throughout the film, an unknown person on the island is committing acts of animal cruelty, hanging a dog in a tree and violently killing sheep. A neighbour of Andreas (a loner who some regard as mentally disturbed) is suspected of these crimes. He commits suicide and the police bring a letter to Andreas where the poor man describes how he was beaten and humiliated by a group of men, after which he did not wish to continue living.

One day Anna picks an argument with Andreas as he is chopping wood, causing him to lose control and, raising the axe, plunges it into the wooden wall close to her head. We don't know whether he really intended to kill her, as she screams and dodges it. At any rate, he proceeds to slap her around. Afterwards, as Anna lies in bed, two fire engines rush past the house, sirens wailing. Andreas follows them to the scene of the fire - a farm with livestock. When Andreas arrives he is told that the perpetrator has struck again, this time dousing a horse in petrol and locking it in and setting fire to the stable. The horse was burnt to death. It is now clear that Andreas' friend was innocent and unjustly persecuted.

Anna shows up at the fire in her car. Andreas gets in. Anna drives but says nothing. Andreas insists they should speak the truth to each other. He reveals that he read the letter Anna's husband wrote, so he knows that she has lied about their being happy together. Anna appears to speed up the car. He asks if she is planning to kill him like she killed her husband and son. She drives off the road but he manages to lean across and help stop the car safely. Anna remains silent and Andreas tells her she is out of her mind, that they don't love each other, and that they should part ways. At last, he asks her why she picked him up at the fire and Anna replies: "I came to ask for forgiveness." Andreas gets out of the car and she drives away. In a long shot we see him pace back and forth. As the long shot pulls in to an increasingly grainy close-up, we see Andreas fall to his knees, and, as the screen turns to white, a voice-over states: "This time he was named Andreas Winkelman." The End.

Production
The film has its origins in Bergman's 1968 film Shame, also starring Ullmann and Von Sydow. After shooting of Shame completed, Fårö's environmental regulations required the house built for the film be burned, but Bergman had developed an attachment to its appearance and saved it by claiming there were plans to use it in another film. He began writing The Passion of Anna, and with Von Sydow and Ullmann still contracted to work with him, envisioned The Passion of Anna as "virtually a sequel."

Themes
Author Jerry Vermilye wrote that in exploring "the thread of violence intruding on ordinary lives," Hour of the Wolf (1968), Shame and The Passion of Anna represent a trilogy. Author Amir Cohen-Shalev concurred the films form a trilogy. Cohen-Shalev wrote that, like Persona and Shame, The Passion of Anna follows an "artist as fugitive" theme touching on issues of guilt and self-hatred.

Reception
On Rotten Tomatoes, The Passion of Anna garnered 100% approval among 15 critics. Vincent Canby argued that "it does seem designed more for the indefatigable Bergman cryptologists (of which I am not one) than for interested, but uncommitted filmgoers", but praised its lead actors' performances and wrote that "Bergman gives each of them extraordinary moments of cinematic truth, monologues of sustained richness and drama". The film was included in "The New York Times Guide to the Best 1,000 Movies Ever Made" in 2002.

The film is not considered one of Bergman's greatest works, but retrospective evaluations are still positive. Sam Jordison wrote for Film4, "While it lacks the lightness of touch and smooth flow that distinguishes Bergman at his finest, this is still a powerful, profound work of art." Roger Ebert gave it four out of four stars and included it in his Top 10 of 1970.

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 * Information to be added or removed: Jason started Don Kee Productions in 2018
 * Explanation of issue: His most current job position is CEO at Don Kee Productions which creates character driven content for feature and TV. Please create a page for Don Kee Productions as well as it's relevant and is on other databases such as IMDB. His newest project is coming out in 2020 called Arkansas.
 * References supporting change: http://donkeeproduction.com/
 * References supporting change: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9139586/
 * References supporting change: https://variety.com/2018/film/news/john-malkovich-michael-k-williams-vivica-fox-arkansas-1203017522/
 * References supporting change: https://deadline.com/2018/10/vince-vaughn-liam-hemsworth-clark-duke-arkansas-movie-1202485007/

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 * 1) ✅ Information about Don Kee Productions as reported in Variety was added.
 * 2) ❌ The request to create an article for DKP should be submitted through articles for creation.

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Talk:Syl Apps

ww2?
why did he play during he war? he was the right age to fight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaidOff (talk • contribs) 17:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

why are they combined?
Is there any reason why the father and son are on the same article? Wouldn't it be better if they were on separate articles?

If you like. I came upon the one, and figured that while Jr was a star for Pittsburgh in the seventies, he wasn't preeminent enough to be at the top of the queue for his own page. Ravenswing 10:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I see. I don't really care either way. I just thought it was strange because no where else in hockey wiki have i seen that. Masterhatch 11:14, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've seen it in a couple places. There are certainly families where one party has done enough to warrant mention of some sort, but perhaps not enough to sustain an article:  while Bryan Hextall Sr and Ron Hextall were notable stars, Bryan Jr and Dennis weren't ... but they were far from scrubs either.  Ravenswing 23:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Speaking of father son, the net sometimes is a horrible source for information and I was wondering if you had more information about the Bill McCreary and Gretzy incident. I wrote the Bill McCreary Jr., but more info about what happened between him and Gretzky is needed. Well, not so much more info but more specific info. I remember as a kid watching the Don Cherry Rock 'em sock 'em vidoes and one of his videos mentions that hit and Cherry said that that was the last game Bill McCreary ever played. I was going to add that to the article, but with only a faint memory from a hockey video i last watched over a decade ago, that's not a reliable source. Any reliable info that you may have would be great! thanks Masterhatch 04:13, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Combination and Categories
Having these two combined have confused me as to what to do about categories. There are a few that need to be added for both Jr. and Sr., so do I do the categories for both of them in this page or just Sr., or what? I noticed that the only categories in this article so far are Sr's. Croat Canuck 04:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Canadian Parliament
Is it possible that Apps ran for parliament in 1940 while he was still a player? Brant (electoral district) has a "Charles Joseph Sylva Apps" as running for National Government in 1940. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * yep, the Parliament Library site lists Charles Joseph Sylva Apps as a hockey player. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Interesting; you'd think that Coleman would have mentioned it. Not the last time for a hockey player, but it probably wouldn't happen nowadays.  Ravenswing 17:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

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List of natural phenomena

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History
Over many intervals of time, natural phenomena have been observed by a series of countless events as a feature created by nature.

Physical phenomena
The act of:
 * Freezing
 * Boiling
 * Gravity
 * Magnetism

Chemical phenomena

 * Oxidation
 * Fire
 * Rusting

Biological phenomena

 * Metabolism
 * Catabolism
 * Anabolism
 * Decomposition – by which organic substances are broken down into a much simpler form of matter
 * Fermentation – converts sugar to acids, gases and/or alcohol.
 * Growth
 * Birth
 * Death
 * Population decrease

Astronomical phenomena

 * Supernova
 * Gamma ray bursts
 * Quasars
 * Blazars
 * Pulsars
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Geological phenomena

 * Mineralogic phenomena
 * Lithologic phenomena
 * Rock types
 * Igneous rock
 * Igneous formation processes
 * Sedimentary rock
 * Sedimentary formation processes (sedimentation)
 * Quicksand
 * Metamorphic rock
 * Endogenic phenomena
 * Plate tectonics
 * Continental drift
 * Earthquake
 * Oceanic trench
 * Phenomena associated with igneous activity
 * Geysers and hot springs
 * Bradyseism
 * Volcanic eruption
 * Earth's magnetic field
 * Exogenic phenomena
 * Slope phenomena
 * Slump
 * Landslide
 * Weathering phenomena
 * Erosion
 * Glacial and peri-glacial phenomena
 * Glaciation
 * Moraines
 * Hanging valleys
 * Atmospheric phenomena
 * Impact phenomena
 * Impact crater
 * Coupled endogenic-exogenic phenomena
 * Orogeny
 * Drainage development
 * Stream capture

Meteorological phenomena
Violent meteorological phenomena are called storms. Regular, cyclical phenomena include seasons and atmospheric circulation. climate change is often semi-regular.

Oceanographic

 * Oceanographic phenomena include tsunamis, ocean currents and breaking waves.

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Greetings from Bern
Derek Armstrong has also a very good season in the Swiss Team SC bern.... Greatings from Bern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.203.16.46 (talk • contribs) 10:18, November 11, 2005 (UTC)

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Some of the wording seems to assume that John the Baptist did in fact appear to some people in the United States. Wikipedia should take no position as to whether this actually took place; we need only explain what members of this church believe. I don't have time to rewrite it now. --Zantastik 21:07, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Agreed, done. Probably somewhat awkwardly in places, feel free to rework.  Alai 22:37, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello. I am formerly a member of this church. It is the belief of the members of this church the resurrected personage of John the Baptist appeared not only to an Apostle of this church, but others in the past also: i.e. Apostle, Otto Fetting and Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter-Day Saint Movement in 1829. If you have any questions relating to church history, contact Apostle George Wilkin: georgehwilkin@yahoo.com. He's my uncle and very knowledgeable of church history.

 * I recommend the article about W.A. Draves not be merged with any other article, partly because the church he was associated with, splintered into at least three factions after his death in 1994.  Doniphan 08:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

True Church of Jesus Christ Restored--Deletion
I deleted the "See Also: True Church of Jesus Christ Restored" section, because while David Roberts may have been affiliated with the Elijah Message organization at one time in his life, his church does not really claim its provinance via that organization, as Roberts claims to be the successor of James Strang--who was leader of a completely different faction of the Latter Day Saint movement that had nothing whatsoever to do with the Elijah Message church or any other "Hedrickite" organization (Church of Christ (Temple Lot), Church of Christ (Fettingite), etc.). From that article's history, it seems it was deleted due to copyright issues anyway, and given what is stated above, there is no need that I can see to link to it here. - Ecjmartin (talk) 01:34, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Number of members
I find the number of members to be Dubious. This number is a self published value almost two and a half times the number of the sect it broke off from. This needs an independent source.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 11:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The number is dated, for sure. IAC, a substantial percentage of this denomination's membership was due to converts in Africa. I'll try to Google up something relating to whether the denomination has retained these congregations under its umbrella, if possible.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 03:12, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a snippet from a missionary blog from 2010, "... Sunday morning of the 14th of February 2010 found us in the Kitale Local preaching and sharing the Word of the Lord to over 300 beloved souls and some guests from other denominations. ..." I see from the blog that they have missionaries in the Philippines, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, and Uganda. When I come back online I'll try to scrounge up a somewhat recent membership stat for the denomination, if possible.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 03:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Images of the New Jerusalem: Latter Day Saint faction interpretations of Independence, Missouri, by Craig S. Campbell (professor of geography at Youngstown State University), Univ. of Tennessee Press, 2004 (pg. 255): "[T]he Church of Christ with the Elijah Message has[...]a membership of at least twelve thousand[...]with an active missionary work being focused on Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa (Sorgen 1992)."
 * Encyclopedia of American Religions, by J. Gordon Melton (1996), p576: "The Church of Christ "With the Elijah Message"[...i]n 1987[...]reported 2500 members, 15 churches, and 125 ministers in the United States. There were 12500 members worldwide. Periodicals: The Voice of Peace."
 * --Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 07:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Regarding an apparent 21st-century schism within the CCEM
I've posted an inquiry here: Talk:List of sects in the Latter Day Saint movement.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Page move
Although the CCEM appears to vary the way it styles its name, their most formal method of doing so appears to be with a capital-W and quotation marks setting off "with the Elijah Message," for example: So, since Wikipedia endeavors to hew to whatever form a name is used in within the preponderance of sources and favors formal names to informal usages in article titles, I went ahead and moved this article's name to the form in the above citations.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 09:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) According to Google Books, official publications of the church (eg The Voice of Peace, etc.) are authored by The Church of Christ "With the Elijah Message"
 * 2) Here is a quote from The Voice of Peace, 1994: "[...]Leighton-Floyd to have a meeting of the Board of Directors of The Church of Christ 'With the Elijah Message,' Established Anew 1929, Inc., October 8, 1994, at 3:00 p.m. Seconded by Brother Charles S. Martin. CARRIED." And--
 * 3) The self-described Official Site of THE CHURCH OF CHRIST "With The Elijah Message" styles itself in the same way.


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Still Captain
Although is injured & out of the lineup, Aucoin is still the Blackhawks captain (he hasn't been stripped of the title). Lapointe is serving as captain ,in the absence of Aucoin. Therefore ,I've listed Aucoin as captain 2005- present NOT 2005–06. If anyone disagrees, PLEASE discuss it with me first. GoodDay 17:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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Height and weight errors
This shows the height being 5'1" and weight of 110lbs which is clearly off for a hockey player; can someone revert this back to what it should be? I'm not sure who changed it. 99.254.124.175 (talk) 02:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Born in Pickering, ON
According to espn.com, nhl.com, and multiple web sources, Sean Avery was born in Canada. He was not born in Boston, MA, as is listed on this page, which currently can not be edited. Could someone change this?

He grew up and went to High school in Pickering, but I highly doubt he was born there as Pickering has no hospital. The closest one would be Ajax-Pickering hospital in Ajax Ontario. Or he was Born in Toronto. But his hometown would be Pickering. Not sure if this is really important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.59.126 (talk) 02:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

 * He may have been born in Pickering, but that does not mean he went to the high school in Pickering. He stated (on George Strombolopolos)his highest education was grade 9. In which case he attended Astral Drive Junior High school (gr 8-9) in Cole Harbour Nova Scotia until he moved to Owen Sound after being drafted to the OHL.

Tool?
"During the 2005 preseason was quoted as making derogatory remarks about French Canadian hockey players after Denis Gauthier of the Phoenix Coyotes took a cheap shot at Kings Foward Jeremy Roenick in a preseason game" I don't think that's very NPOV, especially since it was a clean hit, which Avery even admitted. So it's gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AMac2002 (talk • contribs) 09:11, April 13, 2006.

The "Playing style" section was a poorly written joke that would have been mildly funny if it wasn't so wrong and full of glaring errors. Perhaps Wiki should implement some sort of basic intelligence test (2+2=?) before people are allowed to make edits. The section is gone. Scapermoya 23:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Now Infamous Ice Sluts Game
First, whether you think Sean Avery is a "prick" or not is irrelevant, this is an article about him as a hockey player, nothing more.

As for the Islander Ice Girl thing, please remove it. It was something completley blown out of proportion by one the local New York Newspapers. The girls' own quotes in the article even contradict what they claimed Lundquist and Avery of saying (or doing). I had friends at the game, who are big Isles fans as well, and big time NON-Avery fans who said the whole thing was bs and embarrassing considering the Isles had a big game coming up and this is what the Long Island Press was talking up. Avery and Lundquist were discussing what was going on during breaks and I'm sure they weren't being boyscouts with their language, but that's a conversation between them and the ref and not with them and the ice sluts. I'll delete it if I can. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.68.244.251 (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Height
He's routinely listed (ESPN, Yahoo Sports, CBS Sportsline, Fox Sports, ect...) at 5'9". In fact, only his team, the New York Rangers, give him 5'10". I assume 5'10" is just the official billed height with his current team, but he's really only 5'9", so that needs to be corrected.

Spleen injury
It was erroneously reported that Avery was rushed to the hospital in full cardiac arrest when he actually walked in the hospital under his own power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.82.106 (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Sean Avery Rule
After discussing the incident with Martin Brodeur, the following sentence is included: "Following the Rangers victory in Game 5 of the series, Avery reached for Brodeur's hand, but Brodeur did not reciprocate.".

Is this really relevant? Yes, it's a true statement, but it has nothing to do with the so-called rule, nor is it a formal league response. If no one objects, I'll delete the sentence. Sme3 (talk) 14:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Guess I forgot to go back and delete the sentence. Seeing that it was recently modified/clarified, someone obviously believes it is relevant. I still think it isn't. Show of hands? sme3 (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

 * It is a sign of sportsmanship, and an incident such as this is IMO notable, especially since it got a whole lot of press coverage. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 12:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Agreed, it is a sign of sportsmanship (or lack of sportsmanship), and it alludes to the relationship between the two as a result of this - and other - incidents. However, it doesn't really have anything to do with The Sean Avery Rule.  This is why I proposed deleting it. sme3 (talk) 20:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

 * It's also worth noting that he said something like, "I guess tubby forgot to shake my hand" when questioned about it later.

Protection
For obvious reasons, I stuck a 3 day semi-protect on the article. --Smashvilletalk 18:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Dion Phaneuf comments
While most definatly article worthy having half the article devoted to it is way way to much. A paragraph would suffice. Edkollin (talk) 09:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and reduced. I mean, I really dislike Sean Avery, but come on, that was a crazy WP:UNDUE violation.  Grsz  11  06:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Was screening of Brodeur illegal?
There's been some back-and-forth over the statement beginning "while not illegal..." referring to Avery's screening of Brodeur. I think I've addressed the issue by changing the phrase to "While not an explicit rules violation". Previously, the "unsportsmanlike" rules were up to interpretation. The league did not really add or change a rule, they merely clarified an existing one to specifically mention actions such as Avery's. I believe the phrasing I put in should suffice until a consensus is reached on this page. sme3 (talk) 19:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: this and successive edits
Formatting and cleanup. Just making note of it here seeing as it was unclear. --Limxzero (talk) 15:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

BLP overcoverage
I've tagged the article as not being neutral due to the gigantic, all-negative controversies section. — SamX‧☎‧✎‧ S  15:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe Avery was best known for being a very controversial player, was he not? What subsections do you propose we remove? -- Neil N   talk to me  15:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't claim to be very knowledgable on this topic and I'm not exactly sure how to go about this, but the article definitely speaks of this (except without the huge legal mess). Again, I'm not very knowledgable on this, so feel free to remove the tag if you think otherwise. — SamX‧☎‧✎‧ S  15:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just looking through google news reveals a whole bunch of exactly what you're talking about, so I'll remove the tag. — SamX‧☎‧✎‧ S  15:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I really dislike those Foundation tags. They lock articles for over a year and give no indication to editors what the issues are. Anyways, I've removed the unproven allegations and the rumor stuff. -- Neil N   talk to me  15:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and thanks for sorting this out. — SamX‧☎‧✎‧ S  15:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Is Avery gay?
There seems to be a persistent rumor that he is gay, and engaged to openly gay man Andy Cohen. The two are friends, and may have helped the rumor along in a joking manner. The rumor has gained traction due to Avery's own very vocal gay advocacy. But given his long history of dating very attractive women, it seems likely that this is bogus. The statement that he is definitively gay needs to be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.1.128 (talk) 06:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 05:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Sean Avery comments about Kadri hit and Fortino allegations
User:Bizzle26 has added improperly sourced comments 3 times now. He has a right to be WP:BOLD, but per WP:BRD, his edits were reverted (by me) and should be discussed. As I said in my edit summary, the specific derogatory comments he is claiming are not supported by the sources he provides. Only a single news outlet is actually reporting these allegations, unclearly. At what capacity this should be added is unclear and does not appear to be WP:NOTABLE enough for inclusion, WP:NOTNEWS, too much WP:DETAIL. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with the above. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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Chota (Cherokee town)

Chota (also spelled Chote, Echota, Itsati, and other similar variations) is a historic Overhill Cherokee town site in Monroe County, Tennessee, in the southeastern United States. Developing after nearby Tanasi, Chota (ᎢᏣᏘ) was the most important of the Overhill towns from the late 1740s until 1788. It replaced Tanasi as the de facto capital, or 'mother town' of the Cherokee people.

A number of prominent Cherokee leaders were born or resided at Chota, among them Attakullakulla, Oconostota, Old Hop, Old Tassel, Hanging Maw, and Nancy Ward.

The former Chota and Tanasi sites are listed together on the National Register of Historic Places; Tanasi also has an archaeological site designation (40MR62) assigned in 1972. Since 1979, both sites have been mostly submerged by the Tellico Lake impoundment of the Little Tennessee River. Archeological excavations were conducted before the dam was completed.

During the excavations, the site of the Chota townhouse was found. Major Cherokee towns were centered around a large townhouse or council house, the site of community meetings of hundreds of people. These were usually built on top of an existing platform mound in the center of the town. These earthworks had typically been built by ancestral peoples of the South Appalachian Mississippian or earlier cultures.

Prior to the flooding of Tellico Reservoir, the Chota townhouse site was raised above the reservoir's operating levels and connected via a causeway to the mainland. The Chota monument, situated directly above the ancient townhouse site, consists of eight pillars —one for each of the seven Cherokee clans, and one for the nation. The grave of Chief Oconostota, found in the 1969 excavations, was re-interred next to the monument. This site is now managed by the federally recognized Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, based in Cherokee, North Carolina.

Geography
The Little Tennessee River enters Tennessee from its source in the Appalachian Mountains and flows for just over 50 mi through parts of Blount, Monroe, and Loudon counties before joining the Tennessee River near present-day Lenoir City. Tellico Lake, created by the completion of Tellico Dam in 1979, spans the lower 33 mi of the river. The Chota site is located approximately 27 mi above the mouth of the river, opposite a sharp bend in the river known as Bacon's Bend.

Both Chota and Tanasi were developed by the Cherokee on a relatively flat terrace along the river, flanked by steep hills rising to the south. These hills are part of the Appalachian Ridge-and-Valley Physiographic Province, which is characterized by narrow, elongated ridges and steep hills. The Great Smoky Mountains and the Unicoi Mountains, both part of the main Appalachian crest, rise a few miles to the southeast and southwest, respectively.

The Tanasi and Chota monuments are located just off Highway 360 (Citico Road) on Bacon Ferry Road, which ends in a cul-de-sac parking lot. A short, maintained trail connects the parking lot to the Chota monument.

Rise of Chota
Tanasi is first mentioned in early 18th-century documents as the base or destination of various English colonial traders and diplomats. Tanasi appears on multiple maps of the Overhill territory produced in the 1720s and 1730s, but Chota does not. This suggests that Chota may have been part of Tanasi, or may not have been considered a town before the 1740s. In the 1720s, the head man of Tanasi— known simply as the "Tanasi Warrior"— was the chief of the Overhill towns in what is now Tennessee, and the Middle and Valley towns in Western North Carolina. Chota does not appear in historical records until around 1745.

In 1730, however, Moytoy of Tellico, with the help of English emissary Alexander Cuming, was crowned "Emperor of the Cherokee." This effectively shifted the overall capital to his town of Great Tellico, where Moytoy was chief. When Moytoy died in 1741, his son, Amouskositte, attempted to succeed him as emperor. But Conocotocko, called Old Hop by the English, was the head man at Chota and began to consolidate power. By 1753 Chota had usurped Great Tellico as the "mother town" of the Overhill Cherokee.

Around this time, on the eve of the French and Indian War, the Cherokee were reportedly leaning toward the French side, prompting the English colonies of Virginia and South Carolina to increase contact with leaders of the Overhill towns in order to strengthen an alliance. Virginia sent Major Andrew Lewis with 60 men to build a fort at Chota, which was completed in August 1756. It was never garrisoned because the Cherokee allied with the English against the French. Later that year, South Carolina sent engineer William de Brahm with 300 men to build Fort Loudoun, which was completed on the Little Tennessee River in March 1757.

By 1760, relations between the British and Cherokee had soured, erupting into open conflict by February. After Cherokee warriors laid siege to Fort Loudoun, a confrontation between 14 Cherokee hostages at Fort Prince George and the fort's garrison on February 16 resulted in the death of the hostages. After several months, the Fort Loudoun garrison surrendered. The Cherokee killed many of them as they struggled to return to Virginia, and took plunder from the fort to Chota.

Timberlake's visit, 1761-62

After the fall of Fort Loudoun, British forces launched another offensive against the Cherokee, and the Overhill towns sued for peace. This was granted in the Treaty of Long Island in 1761. Virginia authorities dispatched a friendship delegation led by colonist and military officer Henry Timberlake to solidify peace with the Overhill towns. He reached Chota in late December 1761, accompanied by Ostenaco (the head Cherokee man at Tomotley). At a ceremony inside the Chota townhouse, Ostenaco ceremoniously buried a hatchet, symbolizing peace between the British and Cherokee, and the parties smoked ritual tobacco in peace pipes. Timberlake spent the night in Old Hop's "hot-house" (a circular dwelling used by the Overhill Cherokee in cooler months) before proceeding to Citico the next day.

Timberlake kept a journal, which was published posthumously as his memoirs. He also made a detailed map of the Cherokee towns along the river, entitled "Draught of the Cherokee Country". It recorded 52 dwellings and a townhouse at Chota. He listed chiefs, the number of warriors, and general population for each of the major towns. Conocotocko (Old Hop) was listed as governor of both Chota and Tanasi. The 175 warriors available at Chota made up the second-largest contingent among the Overhill towns, behind only Citico.

Decline

At the outbreak of the American Revolution, the Cherokee aligned with the British, hoping to expel American colonists from their territory. In 1776, Dragging Canoe (the head man at Mialoquo), Old Abraham of Chilhowee, and The Raven led an unsuccessful three-pronged attack against Heaton's station, Fort Watauga, and Carter's Valley, respectively. In response, Virginia sent Colonel William Christian to subdue the Overhill towns. Christian's force entered the Little Tennessee Valley unopposed and negotiated a truce with chiefs Attakullakulla (Dragging Canoe's father) and Oconastota. When Dragging Canoe refused to negotiate, however, Christian destroyed the towns of Great Tellico, Citico, Mialoquo, Chilhowee, and Toqua.

In 1780, John Sevier, who had just returned from the Battle of Kings Mountain, led an invasion of the Overhill country in response to several attacks by Cherokee on American settlements. His party destroyed most of the remaining Overhill towns, including their capital, Chota.

The Cherokee rebuilt Chota by 1784, but it never recovered its former status. In 1788, Old Tassel—who had become the leader of the Overhill towns—was murdered with another chief by Americans under a flag of truce at Chilhowee. Largely in response to this atrocity, the Chickamauga Cherokee moved their capital further south to Ustanali, near what developed as modern Calhoun, Georgia.

In the late 1790s, the Duke of Orleans paid a visit to the American fort known as Tellico Blockhouse while on a tour of East Tennessee. There the duke watched more than 600 Cherokees engage in a ritual "ballplay" at Chota; he bet six gallons of brandy on the outcome. By this time, only five dwellings remained standing in the town.

Archaeology

In the 1880s, Cyrus Thomas, working for the Smithsonian Institution, conducted a survey of ancient earthwork mounds in the Little Tennessee Valley. Thomas excavated a mound at the Chota site and uncovered several artifacts. The site was undisturbed for decades.

In 1939, a University of Tennessee team, mainly under the auspices of Thomas Lewis and Madeline Kneburg, conducted excavations at the Chota site. Laborers were paid by the Works Projects Administration during the Great Depression. Their findings, which Lewis and Kneburg hoped would provide comparison data for their Hiwassee Island findings, included 85 pit features, 12 burials, and one structure.

After the Tennessee Valley Authority announced plans in 1967 to build Tellico Dam, which would flood several historic Cherokee sites, the University of Tennessee initiated a plan to conduct salvage archeological excavations throughout the Little Tennessee Valley. Excavations were conducted at Chota between 1969 and 1974, as litigation stalled the dam project. The excavations uncovered 783 features (mostly refuse pits), the postmold layouts of 31 structures, and 91 burials. Burial 10, uncovered in 1969, was identified by its grave goods (namely a pair of wire spectacles) as that of Chief Oconostota. Thousands of stone and ceramic artifacts were uncovered, including projectile points dating to the Archaic period (8000–1000 B.C.).

The structures uncovered at Chota included two townhouses, one of which had a diameter of 60 ft and another a diameter of just over 50 ft. The smaller townhouse, which was slightly older, may have been the Tanasi townhouse. Other structures included a 48 ft x 23 ft summer pavilion flanked by a 100 ft x 160 ft village plaza, and 11 rectangular summer dwelling/circular winter dwelling pairings. Dwellings were spaced between 40 ft and 100 ft apart and were located up to 2000 ft from the townhouse. One of the dwellings was classified as Early Mississippian culture (c. 1000–1300 A.D.), while the others were historic Cherokee.

In 1986, the burials revealed at the Chota site were reinterred in a burial mound at the Sequoyah Museum, near Vonore. The exception was the remains of Oconostota, which were buried next to the Chota monument over the townhouse site, as desired by the Cherokee.

Chota monument
The eight pillars stand for the seven clans and one for the Cherokee nation as a whole.

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Seal River
Where? Only one I found near is in Ontario. 50.9933333, -79.7086111 198.53.140.2 (talk) 19:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

The 1962 Stanley Cup
It's often mentioned that the Leafs didn't win another Cup until Barilko was discovered, but it needs to be pointed out that the 1962 Cup was won in April and Barilko wasn't discovered until June of that year. So it's not like it was some kind of curse being lifted. 24.137.115.238 (talk) 03:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:List of storms named Odette

This page should be redirected to Tropical Storm Odette (2003), since, although highly unlikely, there could still be a more notable Hurricane Odette in 2009...
 * There has been another cyclone called Odette in another part of the world. RaNdOm26 16:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Matthew Barnaby

Fan incident
He is also notable for getting into a tussle with a fan, as pointed out on ESPN here, which resulted in a four game suspension. At least a minor note/sentence would be nice. --Bobak (talk) 23:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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"First hand information"
User:Theinfoaddict recently posted what he claims to be the product of a chat between him and Bathgate, and is angry that the edit has now been twice reverted, claiming that we are not interested in first hand information. He is quite right; since Wikipedia is not a publisher of first instance, we cannot accept any such reference, which violates WP:RS, WP:V and WP:NOR: "Wikipedia does not publish original research (OR) or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions or experiences. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented. (emphasis in the original)" If his conversation was published in a newspaper or a book, then citing it would be acceptable.  Ravenswing  13:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The retirement ceremony has not happened yet. Therefore I changed the tense from future to past. It should be changed once it has been retired.

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Talk:The Passion of Anna

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This film is not black and white. Some dream sequences are in black and white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.54.121 (talk) 15:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Wade Belak

It's suicide, people
Page is locked and as usual overzealous editors are removing sourced info stating it's suicide, but the Toronto Sun, among other legitimate, verifiable sources, has reported his cause of death was suicide by hanging. 68.81.180.171 (talk) 01:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So far, only the Toronto Sun is making that claim and I can't find a source for it being a hanging (the current version of the Toronto Sun article does not say). I do know that Fan590 refuted the suicide story shortly after the Sun first reported, so at this point, it is better that we wait until more than one source supports that claim.  All other sources I can find only refer to the Toronto Sun Especially since, according to UPI, the Sun has already changed its story once.  I'm not saying this source is wrong.  I am only saying that we should be more responsible than the media usually is, and wait until we have more than one source confirming. Resolute 01:57, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * UPI and Toronto Sun both say suicide. WP:RELIABLE doesn't say anything about requiring multiple sources.  Considering there's far more incorrect crap on Wikipedia than appears in the media, it seems silly to use a higher standard for deaths specifically, but people do that all the time.  I've seen references revered from major papers many times in reference to recent death.  Also, many times one paper just copies another, so twenty papers saying "suicide" isn't necessarily more reliable than just the Toronto Sun.  68.81.180.171 (talk) 02:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * CBC is reporting suicide as well.Freshfighter9talk 02:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and 68.81, UPI did not (and still does not) say it was suicide. UPI says that the Toronto Sun says it was suicide.  At the time of my post last night, the Sun was the only media outlet making that claim.  Everyone else who was commenting was referring back to the Sun.   Also, the fact that there are inaccuracies elsewhere in Wikipedia is a terrible argument for justifying an edit that may or may not be true here.  Again, at the time of my post last night, there was one outlet saying yes, and another saying no.  WP:RELIABLE may not say that multiple sources are required (which is correct), but given conflicting information, we are better off not guessing as to which of the two outlets is correct.  And frankly, after the Pat Burns false death and Rick Rypien false quote incidents, I believe that trying to hold ourselves to a higher standard is the wiser plan.   Wikipedia did not lose anything for waiting a couple more hours for further  corroboration. Resolute 14:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been conflicted. Some say it was accidental, but there was an article that said for sure he died of strangulation, which later went on to call it possibly a "horrible accident". – Connormah (talk) 19:17, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed it to say the police have not yet confirmed a cause of death. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 20:54, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree 100%. Wikipedia is not a tabloid or a blog. BashBrannigan (talk) 03:29, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because this will likely come up again, I thought I'd point out that despite most of the media saying Belak committed suicide, this is still not what the police are saying. I provide this as one reference: . BashBrannigan (talk) 07:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As i expected, an editor has added that the police say cause of death was suicide, but the reference the editor provided was old. More recent references state the police have not declared it suicide only "not suspicious". Also the family says they believe it was accidental. A coroners report is coming out in a few weeks that should settle it. I haven't decided yet whether I'll remove it, or edit it, but Wikipedia is NOT a newspaper, but an encyclodedia and this should wait until the coroner's report. [User:BashBrannigan|BashBrannigan]] (talk) 04:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

 * "an editor has added that the police say cause of death was suicide". Not true. The text says that the police treated the situation as a suicide, but also that they have not officially confirmed that it was suicide. These are the facts as they are known today, so there is nothing wrong with the article saying so. Also, even if the cause of death turns out to be something other than suicide, it could still be true (as cited sources say it is true) that the death was treated as a suicide. There is no reason to remove that claim. Furthermore, a news article published just today and added today as a citation about his step-father also says, "Police sources told the Star, among many news outlets, that the cause of the ex-NHLer’s death was suicide by hanging." So while there is no official declaration, it is true that police have said unofficially that it is suicide. This also will remain true even if the cause of death turns out to be something else. Ultimately, if the cause of death is accidental death, it will remain true that it was widely reported that it was a suicide and the police treated it as a suicide and police unofficially said it was a suicide, so the article can accurately say all three of those things right now. 99.192.50.159 (talk) 05:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're wrong to remove my clarification phrase, but I've no interest in getting into an edit war. There is a huge difference between "police" and "police sources" and it's the latter which is the source of the suicide reports. Currently as written it's deceptive. Also, Wikipedia is not a newspaper and should be holding itself to a higher standard. It is more important that Wikipedia be accurate than up-to-date on whatever the media is reporting. The fact that the article can be corrected does not excuse inaccuracy. If the coroner rules it was not suicide that the entire section is wrong and has to be removed. BashBrannigan (talk) 22:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I really don't think you understand, BashBrannigan. (1) "There is a huge difference between 'police' and 'police sources'". This does not make sense. When someone says "police sources" they are saying that the sources are police. Who else could they be and still be called "police sources"? (2) "Wikipedia is not a newspaper and should be holding itself to a higher standard." You keep saying it's not a newspaper and I don't see anyone saying it is one. I have never thought it is one, so the comment is irrelevant to the issue. Also, the issue of "a higher standard" also does not make sense. Unless you are counting gossip tabloids, everyone agree that newspapers are supposed to have high standards. The news sources cited on the suicide issue are not tabloids. They are also the same media sources used in thousands of Wikipedia articles and regarded as credible sources to cite. So the issue of standards is a moot point.
 * (3) "If the coroner rules it was not suicide that the entire section is wrong and has to be removed." Again, you are wrong. The death was widely reported as a suicide and the police have treated the death as a suicide. Those facts will not change no matter what the coroner's report says. Take, for example, the David Carradine article. It says that his death was not a suicide, but it also still today says that his death was initially widely thought to be a suicide. Now, two years after the death was ruled to be accidental, the fact that it was initially widely thought to be suicide is still true. Two thousand years from now it will still be true. In the case of this article it is the same. Suppose we find out that Belak had a bad heart that no one knew about and died of a heart attack. That information would then need to be added to the article, but that would not mean that the claim that police treated the death as a suicide or that many news outlets reported that his death was a suicide suddenly become false. Those things will still be true and relevant to include in the article. In short, no matter what the coroner says, nothing in the article as it stands right now will need to be removed. 99.192.50.159 (talk) 00:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Police sources" could be nothing more than the cop on the beat, while "Police" would mean the information came through management. When I say Wikipedia is not a newspaper, I mean that it does not have to cover every daily detail, but should be more concerned with accuracy as I already explained. Yes, if it's ruled not a suicide, much will have to go. BashBrannigan (talk) 01:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Death as part of a string of deaths?
Do we really need to reference the Rypien and Boogard deaths? Each death is unique in its contributing factors and relating Belak's death to an overdose and a confirmed suicide seems irrelevant. The link has only been created in the media by those with a particular agenda and thus alluding to the link seems slightly NPOV 114.134.0.129 (talk)

 * I half agree. I think the sentence should be rewritten to indicate that his death was linked to the other two in media discussions about the role of "enforcer" in the NHL. This is a notable consequence of his death, but for the article to declare that there is a connection among the deaths is not established fact and thus a POV problem. 99.192.55.140 (talk) 14:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Family
The links to Belak's family (parents, children, etc.) are dead. Can anyone explain how his parents' names were "Lorraine Belak and Lionel Aadland"? If this is accurate then he and his brother adopted their mother's maiden name. Any ideas? Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 18:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * About the children: (1) You will see I removed the names, but kept the birth dates. Their names are neither here nor there for the article, but how old they were when he died is relevant, so the year of birth gives that without any privacy worries. (2) Yes, the link to Belak's site no longer works, but the fact that a link goes dead is not, in general, a reason to remove text. One should have some reason to think that the information was wrong in the first place to remove it when a link goes. (3) The years of birth (and the names of the children and that they were born in Toronto) is information that appears in a lot of news stories, so could be cited with fresh links.

 * About the parents: I don't know what the deal on the surname is, but I do recall reading the names as listed on Belak's official page before it was removed. I don't know why he has his mother's surname, but it does seem to be the case. Here is a National Post article that also confirms those names: 99.192.80.115 (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Well, further digging uncovered this information from The Toronto Star: . It says, "Lionel Aadland, who got divorced from Belak’s mother when their sons were very young...." That does not confirm, but suggests that after the divorce the boys were given their mother's surname. But it's still possible that they were named "Belak" from birth, so this explanation should not be included in the article. It's still just speculation. 142.68.40.199 (talk) 20:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC) (=99.192.80.115)

 * And further digging resulted in information that suggests that Wade Belak's mother remarried a man named "Barry Belak", so perhaps "Belak" is neither his biological father's name nor is it his mother's maiden name. It might be his stepfather's name, which his mother, he, and his brother all adopted when she remarried. But Internet-based evidence that I could find for this is very weak, at best. Certainly nothing citable that I could find. 142.68.40.199 (talk) 20:31, 13 September 2011 (UTC) (=99.192.80.115)

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General improvements
If anyone has the interest in looking them up, adding some of Belfour's more unsavoury incidents might be wise- I've already noted the Auld altercation. --Scimitar 16:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC) didn't he try to bribe a cop..i can't find a good source for it -pirate
 * Didn't Belfour beat his wife in one incident when he was with Dallas?--74.101.74.85 19:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He wasn't married while he was in Dallas and there has never been any allegations of spousal abuse on his part. - Jeffhaff 11:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the leaving out of some of the drunk and disorderly charges, as well as arrests, not to mention Belfour's lies/misrepresentations to the Sharks during his time there makes this sound a lot like a fan fluff piece. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.28.224.198 (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the beauty of Wikipedia. You are free to add any info you have a valid source on.  Jump right in. - Jeffhaff  —Preceding comment was added at 14:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Give the guy a break! So he does the odd stupid thing. Bao Pu (talk) 16:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding: "On July 1, 2006, Maple Leafs General Manager John Ferguson Jr released Belfour to free agency after a lacklustre 22–22–4 record and a 3.29 GAA." I think something should be said about the Leaf team in front of him. The change in goaltender there hasn't improved anything. Bao Pu (talk) 16:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You are right Bao Pultalk...Can you imagine what the Leafs season would have been like if Eddie played there the way he did with Leksand.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.120.197 (talk) 05:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Can someone make this correction, since I don't know how? The last two seasons in the NHL have 4 and 10 ties mentioned, but these are actually overtime losses. Bao Pu (talk) 14:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Nickname
Saving the nickname "Eddie the Eagle" for future use in prose. -Djsasso (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be Billion Dollar Belfour? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.24.211 (talk) 21:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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