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Can I ask you whether you were the anonymous useer who edited the Part-of-speech tagging article, and where this text comes from ? The edit is so complete and massive that I am a little but concerned that it could come from some other source... Thank you very much in advance, and welcome on board ! Rama 17:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Eskimo words for snow
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 * See WikiProject_Martial_arts: the article says nothing about practitioners or number or dojos or long history. How can we know this is not a dojo in someone's garage? I am afraid this article will be proposed for deletion: see WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Martial_arts for the process. jmcw (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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Neil Webb

Neil John Webb (born 30 July 1963) is an English football manager, former footballer and television pundit.

He primarily played as a midfielder but also played as a defender between 1980 and 1997, notably in the top flight for Manchester United and Nottingham Forest, with the latter seeing him play in the Premier League. He also played in the Football League with Portsmouth, Reading, Swindon Town and Grimsby Town as well as in Hong Kong for Instant-Dict and in non-league for Aldershot Town and Merthyr Tydfil. He was capped 26 times by England, scoring four goals.

He has largely worked as a pundit since retiring, but did have two managerial spells in charge of non-league clubs Weymouth and Reading Town.

Reading
Webb joined Reading on leaving Little Heath School in 1979 and made his first-team debut in February 1980 at the age of 16. He became the youngest ever scorer for the Berkshire side when he found the net in a Third Division match at the beginning of the 1980-81 season.

Portsmouth
In July 1982 Webb transferred to Portsmouth for £87,500. At Fratton Park he was a regular first-team player and helped them win promotion to the Second Division (as Third Division champions) in his first season, and in his third season they came close to reaching the First Division. He scored a total of 34 league goals in three seasons at Fratton Park.

Nottingham Forest
In June 1985, Nottingham Forest manager Brian Clough paid Portsmouth £250,000 for Webb, which took him into the First Division for the first time. At Forest he developed into a leading midfielder with a strong goalscoring record. During his time at the City Ground, he won the League Cup in 1989 (scoring in the final against Luton) and became a regular member of the England national team from 1987. Webb was one of the Forest players who had to cope with the horrors of the Hillsborough disaster during the opening minutes of their FA Cup semi-final against Liverpool in April 1989.

His goalscoring record at Forest exceeded that of many strikers at the time. He managed 14 league goals in both of his first two seasons at the club, in 1986–87 from just 32 games. This included a hat-trick against Chelsea in September 1986 that sent him to the top of the League's scoring charts. He scored 13 times in the 1987–88 league campaign, though his goalscoring totally was lower in 1988–89 (six goals from 30 games) it did nothing to diminish his reputation as a first class midfielder. He scored for Forest against Luton Town in the 1989 Football League Cup Final which they went on to win.

Manchester United
In July 1989 he joined Manchester United. The transfer fee of £1.5 million was determined by a transfer tribunal (Forest manager Brian Clough, reluctant for Webb to leave, offered to pay this to keep him). Webb scored on his league debut on 19 August 1989, when they achieved a 4–1 home win over defending league champions Arsenal on the opening day of the 1989–90 season.

He joined United at a time when they were entering their fourth season under the management of Alex Ferguson, but had yet to win a major trophy under him in spite of heavy spending on new players – with Webb arriving around the same time as Danny Wallace, Mike Phelan and Gary Pallister.

After just a few games at United, Webb ruptured his achilles tendon while playing a match for England against Sweden in September 1989. Webb made his comeback for United as a substitute against Southampton on 24 March 1990, and made his first start since the injury the following Saturday, at home to Coventry City. Despite positive early indications - Reuters called him the "most influential player on the pitch" during a September 1990 clash with Luton Town - he never fully regained his pre-injury form, suffering from weight problems and other injuries. Webb was still a precise passer of the ball and was included in the England 1990 World Cup squad, having returned to action during the second half of the 1989–90 season. He also helped Manchester United win the FA Cup in 1990, UEFA Cup Winners' Cup in 1991, and Football League Cup in 1992.

In the 1990 FA Cup final, he memorably hit a clinical 50-yard pass to Lee Martin who subsequently scored the winning goal in the FA Cup Final replay.

He played in 31 out of 42 First Division games for Manchester United in 1991–92, but missed the final few games of the season due to a rift with manager Alex Ferguson – some fans even blamed United's failure to win the league title that season on Webb. He famously dawdled off the pitch after being subbed in a 2-1 home defeat to Forest during the season's final stages. He was also faced with stiff competition for a place in the centre or on the right of midfield - as well as Bryan Robson and three midfielders who had joined United in 1989, he was now faced with competition from Soviet winger Andrei Kanchelskis.

Webb only played one game for United in the new FA Premier League, and after months of media reports that he would be on his way out of Old Trafford, he finally left three months into the 1992–93 season.

Return to Forest
After three years with Manchester United, Webb returned to Nottingham Forest for £800,000 on 23 November 1992. His second spell at Forest was unsuccessful, as he could not win a regular first-team place because of the emergence of other players like Steve Stone and Lars Bohinen. He made just nine league appearances in 1992–93 as Forest were relegated, but when manager Brian Clough retired and was succeeded by Frank Clark, he had more first team opportunities, playing 21 league games and scoring three goals as Forest were promoted back to the Premier League as Division One runners-up.

Webb never played league football for Forest again after the 1994 promotion, though he remained contracted to the club for another two years.

He had a spell on loan back at Reading in the 1995–96 season before finally leaving Forest for good in the summer of 1996.

Late playing career
Webb signed for Grimsby Town before leaving shortly after the start of the 1996–97 season, ending his professional career at the age of 33. He then joined non-league Aldershot Town where he made 36 appearances and scored six goals in the Isthmian League, before joining Weymouth as player-coach in 1997.

In a 2005 vote to compile the Royals' best-ever eleven, Webb was voted on the team in central midfield.

Football League XI
After excelling in his first two seasons of top flight football with Nottingham Forest, Webb earned recognition from England manager Bobby Robson, who selected him in the Football League XI for an exhibition match against a Rest of the World XI, on 8 August 1987. The match was in recognition of the League's centenary. Webb started the game, and was replaced by Osvaldo Ardiles. Webb was praised by The Glasgow Herald, who stated "the performance of Webb was outstanding", adding that he "frequently showed a sweet combination of close control and confidence" and predicting full England honours in the offing.

England
Robson gave Webb his full international début, against West Germany on 9 September 1987 at the age of 24, becoming the 1,000th player to be capped by England. His first goal came against Turkey on 14 October that year, in an 8–0 victory at Wembley in a Euro 88 qualifier. He appeared in two of England's group games at Euro 88 (which all ended in defeat), but his next international appearance – against Denmark in a friendly on 14 September 1988 – he scored the only goal in the game at Wembley. On 3 June 1989, he scored the third international goal of his career with a 3–0 World Cup qualifier victory over Poland, again at Wembley. On 24 April 1990 Webb made his first appearance with the England B team, playing in the 2–0 win over the Czechoslovakia B team at Roker Park. Despite missing the bulk of the 1989–90 season at Manchester United with injury, he was included in England's 1990 World Cup squad and made his solitary appearance of the competition in the third place playoff defeat by Italy. Before the year was out he would become the first player to be sent off whilst on England duty in three years when he saw red for the England B team in a match against the full Algeria team. On 12 May 1992, he scored what would be his final goal for England in a 1–0 friendly win over Hungary in Budapest. He would make four more international appearances for England, the last coming on 17 June 1992 when England lost 2–1 to hosts Sweden in their final Euro 92 group game. Webb was capped 26 times in five years for the England team, and scored 4 goals.

Managerial career
After having to give up playing football, from June to December 1997 Webb was player-coach of Southern League Southern Division side Weymouth, but quit after just 70 days. His next spell in management with non-league Reading Town in 2001 was also short-lived.

After football
After leaving football, Webb worked as postman and later became a delivery driver.

He also worked with The Score Television Network in Canada as their English football correspondent for their "Sportsworld" and "Footy Show" programmes. He appeared every Sunday, giving his opinion on the happenings of the Premier League and the world of football. He is also a regular guest on Talksport.

Honours
Nottingham Forest
 * Football League Cup: 1988–89

Manchester United
 * FA Cup: 1989–90
 * Football League Cup: 1991–92
 * European Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91
 * European Super Cup: 1991

Individual
 * PFA Team of the Year: 1982–83 Third Division, 1984–85 Second Division

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LGBT rights in Hungary

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in Hungary face legal and social challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Homosexuality is legal in Hungary for both men and women. Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and sex is banned in the country. However, households headed by same-sex couples are not eligible for all of the same legal rights available to heterosexual married couples. Registered partnership for same-sex couples was legalised in 2009, but same-sex marriage remains banned. The Hungarian government has passed legislation that restricts the civil rights of LGBT Hungarians – such as ending legal recognition of transgender Hungarians and banning LGBT content and displays for minors. This trend continues under the Fidesz government of Viktor Orbán. In June 2021, Hungary passed an anti-LGBT law on banning "homosexual and transexual propaganda" effective since 1 July. The law has been condemned by seventeen member states of the European Union. In July 2020, the European Commission started legal action against Hungary and Poland for violations of fundamental rights of LGBTQI people, stating: "Europe will never allow parts of our society to be stigmatized."

Law regarding same-sex sexual activity
The first Hungarian Penal Code by Károly Csemegi (1878) punished homosexuality between men ("természet elleni fajtalanság" – perversion against nature (nature's law)) with prison up to one year. Homosexual activity above the age of 20 was decriminalized in 1961, then above the age of 18 in 1978 by the new Penal Code. The age of consent, which is 14, has applied equally to heterosexual and homosexual activity since a Constitutional Court decision of 2002. Lesbian, gay and bisexual people are not banned from openly serving in the military service.

Recognition of same-sex relationships
Unregistered cohabitation has been recognised since 1996. It applies to any couple living together in an economic and sexual relationship (common-law marriage), including same-sex couples. No official registration is required. The law gives some specified rights and benefits to two persons living together. Unregistered cohabitation is defined in the Civil Code as "when two persons are living together outside of wedlock in an emotional and financial community in the same household, provided that neither of them is engaged in wedlock or partnership with another person, registered or otherwise, and that they are not related in direct line, and they are not siblings." Inheritance is possible only with testament, and widow-pension is available for couples cohabiting for more than 10 years.

On 17 December 2007, the Parliament adopted a registered partnership bill submitted by the Hungarian Socialist Party–Alliance of Free Democrats Government. The bill was found unconstitutional by the Constitutional Court because it duplicated the institution of marriage for opposite-sex couples. In February 2009, the Parliament approval a modified version of the bill. Since 1 July 2009, same-sex couples can enter into registered partnerships. The law gives the same rights to registered partners as to spouses except for adoption, assisted reproduction or taking a surname.

On 1 January 2012, a new constitution, enacted by the Parliament in 2011, came into effect, restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples and containing no guarantees of protection from discrimination on account of sexual orientation. Viktor Orban, leader of the ruling Fidesz party, which recently came to power with a two-thirds majority in the parliament, has been dubbed “Viktator” by the crowds protesting the new constitution. However, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation remains banned through interpretation of the general non-discrimination provision in the Constitution, as well as by the Equal Treatment Act.

Adoption and family planning
Although same-sex couples cannot adopt jointly, adoption by individuals is illegal regardless of sexual orientation or partnership status. Stepchild adoption is only available for married (different-sex) couples.

Access to IVF and donor insemination is available for single women regardless of sexual orientation, but not available for lesbians cohabiting or in a registered partnership with their same-sex partners.

In November 2017, the Hungarian Ombudsman found that the rejection of a lesbian couple's adoption application was "an infringement on the child's right to protection and care, and amounted to unlawful discrimination based on sexual orientation." As joint adoption for same-sex couples is not legal in Hungary, the couple decided that one of the partners would legally adopt the child. The couple was, however, very open about their relationship and were found suitable to adopt. During the following months, the couple took care of a 16-month-old girl, but child protection services later stopped the application procedure due to the couple's sexual orientation. This decision disrupted the life of the child, as she would not eat properly anymore and had to be taken to a child psychologist. The couple appealed to the Commissioner for Fundamental Rights (the Ombudsman responsible for the rights of children, nationalities in Hungary, vulnerable social groups and the interests of future generations), who found the child protection service's rejection of the couple unlawful and discriminatory. The Commissioner said that "a person wishing to adopt has no right to adopt a particular child, but s/he does have the right to equal treatment and equality before the law in the procedure." The Commissioner based their decision on the 2008 E.B. v. France case, in which the European Court of Human Rights ruled that one's sexual orientation should not be a factor in adoption cases.

In October 2020, while discussing a children's book published by an LGBT organisation on Magyar Rádió, the Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban stated that, despite Hungary being "tolerant and patient" towards LGBT people, "there is a red line that cannot be crossed" and that "gays are to leave our children alone".

In November 2020, the Fidesz government proposed a Constitutional amendment which would ban adoption by same-sex couples. Language in the amendment would ensure "education in accordance with the values based on Hungary's constitutional identity and Christian culture." The same amendment would also severely restrict the ability of single-parent families to adopt. On 16 December 2020 the amendment was passed by the National Assembly with 123 ayes, 45 nays and 5 abstentions.

In April 2023, Hungary's unicameral parliament passed a bill enabling and encouraging citizens to report same-sex couples which raise children to the state authorities - such as police and child protection. The President of Hungary Katalin Novák vetoed the bill - that formally prevented it from becoming enacted into law.

Discrimination protections
In 2000, the Constitutional Court recognized that the constitutional ban on discrimination based on "other status" covers sexual orientation as well. The Act on Public Health has banned sexual orientation-related discrimination in health services since 1997 and gender identity-related discrimination since 2004. The 2003 Act on Equal Treatment and the Promotion of Equal Opportunities (2003. évi CXXV. törvény az egyenlő bánásmódról és az esélyegyenlőség előmozdításáról), which took effect in January 2004, forbids discrimination based on factors that include sexual orientation and gender identity in the fields of employment, education, housing, health, and access to goods and services. Article 8 of the Act states as follows: Provisions that result in a person or a group [being] treated less favourably than another person or group in a comparable situation because of his/her sex, racial origin, colour, nationality, national or ethnic origin, mother tongue, disability, state of health, religious or ideological conviction, political or other opinion, family status, motherhood (pregnancy) or fatherhood, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, social origin, financial status, the part-time nature or definite term of the employment relationship or other relationship related to employment, the membership of an organisation representing employees' interests, [and any] other status, attribute or characteristic are considered direct discrimination.

Additionally, Hungarian law prohibits hate crimes and hate speeches on the basis of one's sexual orientation and gender identity.

Despite the existing laws aimed at discrimination protection, in June 2021, the Hungarian Parliament passed legislation aiming to limit access to content ‘depicting divergence from self-identity corresponding to sex at birth, sex change, or homosexuality’ for individuals under 18. The Commission initiated infringement proceedings against Hungary on July 15, 2021, and subsequently issued a reasoned opinion on December 2, 2021, highlighting Hungary’s failure to meet its obligations under various EU directives and articles concerning audiovisual media services, electronic commerce, internal market services, data protection, and fundamental rights. In April 2022, the Hungarian government organized a national referendum in support of the law, which was countered by Amnesty International Hungary, Háttér Society, and 12 civil society organizations mobilizing over 1.7 million people, ultimately rendering the referendum invalid.

With Hungary's response deemed unsatisfactory, on July 15, 2022, the Commission referred Hungary to the Court of Justice of the EU. As of April 2023, fifteen European Union member-states have joined this legal case. Alongside the European Parliament, they will act as third parties in the lawsuit filed by the European Commission.

Gender identity and expression
In December 2017, a government decree was published, establishing for the first time a legal basis for gender transitions. After 1 January 2018, transgender people living in Hungary were theoretically able to change their legal gender. They required a diagnosis from a medical professional, but did not have to undergo hormone therapy, sterilization or sex reassignment surgery. However, Transvanilla – an organization based in Budapest which campaigns on behalf of transgender rights – reports that the government has refused to honor applications of the legal gender change since 2018. In 2019, a joint case of 23 people was created and submitted to the European Court of Human Rights.

In 2018, the Hungarian government removed accreditation from gender studies programs at Hungarian universities, arguing that there was no market for gender studies graduates. Bence Rétvári, the political undersecretary in the ministry of Human Resources justified the decision by claiming that, "Gender Studies - similarly to Marxism-Leninism - can be called an ideology rather than a science."

While Hungary, alongside the majority of EU countries, has signed the Istanbul Convention - Council of Europe treaty that aims to combat and prevent violence against women - it has refused to take further action to ratify the Convention. In May 2020, the Hungarian Parliament adopted a political declaration that rejects the Istanbul Convention and supports the government declaration that claims that the measures of the treaty promote “destructive gender ideologies” and “illegal migration.” The declaration was adopted with 115 votes in favor, 35 against and three abstentions. The Hungarian government, including the Ministry of Justice, argued that the Hungarian law already contains a “comprehensive system for assisting and protecting victims.”

Following the coronavirus lockdown of 2020, Viktor Orbán was enabled to rule by decree following an emergency powers act. On 31 March, the Transgender Day of Visibility, a bill was submitted that replaced the Hungarian term "nem", meaning both "sex" and "gender," with sex at birth, defined as "the biological sex determined by primary sexual characteristics and chromosomes". Parliament voted in favor of the bill on 19 May 2020, making it impossible for individuals to change their legal gender. The vote was 134 yes, 56 no, and 4 abstentions. Dunja Mijatović, commissioner for human rights in the Council of Europe, stated it "contravenes human rights standards and the case law of the European Court of Human Rights". President János Áder signed the bill into law on 28 May 2020.

In January 2021 the government ordered that a book published by the Labrisz Lesbian Association carries warnings saying it "[contains] behaviour inconsistent with traditional gender roles". According to a government spokesperson, "the book is sold as a fairytale... but it hides the fact that it depicts behaviour inconsistent with traditional gender roles." In response, the association announced that they would be filing suit. After the publication of the children's book, Fidesz also launched a smear campaign against the organization and the entire LGBTQ community, deliberately confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. Labrisz took the government-related media giant Mediaworks to court too, for an article that called them pedophiles without any proof. In the lawsuits, the human rights NGO Hungarian Helsinki Committee represented Labrisz, and they won at first instance. However, in November 2022, the Curia (the Supreme Court of Hungary) found that the article does not violate Labrisz Lesbian Association's right to good reputation. The human rights defenders don't accept this decision - claiming double standards and that the government uses the freedom expression as an excuse to cover hatred and abuse - and turn to the Constitutional Court.

In April 2023, Hungary implemented a law enabling citizens to report to the state people who "contest" children's right to "an identity appropriate to their sex at birth".

Blood donation
Gay and bisexual men were allowed to donate blood following a 12-month deferral period. In 2020, this deferral period was scrapped, with individualised risk assessment introduced.

Freedom of speech and expression
In 2012, Jobbik MP Ádám Mirkóczki introduced a constitutional amendment to the Parliament seeking to ban "the promotion of sexual deviations". The amendment would punish the "promotion of homosexuality or other disorders of sexual behaviour" with up to eight years in prison. LMBT Federation, a Hungarian LGBT advocacy group, protested against the amendment and called on Parliament to reject it. The Democratic Coalition also voiced their opposition and called it "mean and shameful". The amendment ultimately failed to pass.

In November 2016, the small Hungarian town of Ásotthalom passed a law banning "gay propaganda", Muslim call to prayer and Muslim clothing. Mayor László Toroczkai (Our Homeland) called on Christians locals to support a "holy war on Muslims and multiculturalism". In April 2017, after a lawsuit challenging the ban was filed, the Constitutional Court struck down the ban, ruling that it violated human rights law as it aimed to "limit directly the freedom of speech, conscience and religion".

In June 2018, the Hungarian State Opera House cancelled 15 Billy Elliot performances, after pro-government newspaper Magyar Idők claimed that the show could turn children gay. However other 29 Billy Elliot performances would be held as planned.

In November 2020, the town of Nagykáta adopted a resolution banning the dissemination and promotion of so-called "LGBT propaganda".

After making pro-LGBT statements, former footballer and television pundit János Hrutka was fired by pro-government sports television Spíler TV in March 2021. Subsequently, the government media (Nemzeti Sport and FourFourTwo) began to revive his player contracts from the past twenty years, with the intention of expiration.

2021 promotion of homosexuality law
In June 2021, the government of Hungary introduced a law prohibiting the showing of "any content portraying or promoting sex reassignment or homosexuality" to minors. A Hungarian government spokesperson claimed the ban is intended on the contents which children "can misunderstand and which may have a detrimental effect on their development". According to one human rights group, "the new legislation proposed by Fidesz would seriously curb freedom of speech and children's rights... This move endangers [the] mental health of LGBTQI youngsters and prevents them getting access to information... and affirmative support". David Vig of Amnesty International stated that "these proposals, which have dark echoes of Russia's anti-gay 'propaganda law,' will further stigmatize LGBTI people, exposing them to greater discrimination in what is already a hostile environment."

The Hungarian parliament voted in favour of the bill by a vote of 157–1. The President of Hungary signed the bill into law on 23 June 2021 and went into legal effect 7 days later on July 1. The Russian Federation also has a similar law (Russian gay propaganda law) implemented since 2013. Seventeen EU member states (Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Lithuania, Spain, Sweden, Latvia, Greece, Cyprus, Italy and Austria) and several LGBT and human rights organisations condemned the law and called it a breach of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. The Prime Minister of the Netherlands suggested Hungary leave the EU altogether, while Poland has expressed support for the law

In July 2021, the EU launched an immediate lawsuit against the anti-LGBT propaganda law recently implemented within Hungary while a referendum has been announced. The European Commission blocked the payment of several billions Euro to Hungary because of this discriminatory law. The referendum took place on 3 April 2022, the same time as the 2022 Hungarian parliamentary election. The referendum became invalid, because it didn't meet the validity threshold of 50%.

In April 2023, both France and Germany have formally joined into the EU lawsuit against Hungary - regarding the anti-gay laws and policies.

Films and TV
In September 2021, it was reported that films and TV shows that depict and show either homosexuality and/or sex changes within Hungary - would have the same mandatory legal classification "age rating restrictions" as horror, nudity, sex, adult themes, drugs and/or violence.

Living conditions
Hungary was the host country of Mr Gay Europe 2007 contest and the EuroGames in 2012.

Budapest Pride was the first such event in the former Eastern Bloc, and draws a steady, but a moderate number of LGBT people and their supporters. The LGBT festival lasts a week every summer with a film festival, a pride march and parties across the city. The festival was opened in the past by notable public figures including Gábor Demszky, then Mayor of Budapest, and Kinga Göncz, then Minister of Foreign Affairs.

In correlation with the prime ministership of Viktor Orbán, LGBT rights in Hungary have stalled. In March 2016, the Hungarian Government blocked a proposed European Union agreement to combat discrimination against LGBT people. In May 2017, Prime Minister Orbán welcomed the World Congress of Families, a designated hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, at the National Parliament. In 2018, Hungary and Poland blocked a joint statement by EU employment and social affairs ministers intended to promote gender equity in the digital era because of objections to a reference to LGBT people. However, Austria—then president of the Council of the European Union—adopted the text regardless, though with modifications. While the reference to LGBT people was retained, the text was classified as "presidential conclusions" which do not carry the legal weight of formal Council conclusions.

In recent years, more and more politicians have resorted to use openly homophobic rhetoric. In 2014, Jobbik displayed a sign reading "The Parliament Does Not Want Any Deviants" during Budapest Pride, and verbally abused attendees and defaced posters in support of LGBT rights. In November 2016, it protested the painting of a fence with rainbow colours in Pomáz, even though the colouring had no connections to LGBT rights.

The 2017 Budapest Pride parade attracted thousands of people, and received the support of many embassies, including from Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the United States, as well as neighbouring Slovakia and Slovenia, among others.

In January 2018, the European Court of Justice ruled that asylum seekers may not be subjected by authorities to psychological tests in order to determine their sexual orientation.

Public opinion
According to a Eurobarometer survey published in December 2006, only 18 percent of Hungarians surveyed supported same-sex marriage, and only 13 percent recognized a same-sex couple's right to adopt, compared to the EU-wide average of 44 percent and 33 percent, respectively. However, a poll conducted a year after in 2007 indicated that 30 percent of the Hungarian public supported same-sex marriage.

The poll taken in 2015 suggested 39% of Hungarians supported same-sex marriage. A more recent poll by the Pew Research Center, published in May 2017, suggested that 27% of Hungarians were in favor of same-sex marriage, while 64% opposed it. Support was higher among non-religious people (34%) and 18–34 year olds (39%), in contrast to Catholics (25%) and people aged 35 and over (23%).

In May 2015, PlanetRomeo, an LGBT social network, published its first Gay Happiness Index (GHI). Gay men from over 120 countries were asked about how they feel about society's view on homosexuality, how they experience the way they are treated by other people and how satisfied are they with their lives. Hungary was ranked 49th with a GHI score of 47.

According to a 2017 poll carried out by ILGA, 64% of Hungarians agreed that gay, lesbian and bisexual people should enjoy the same rights as straight people, while 15% disagreed. Additionally, 69% agreed that they should be protected from workplace discrimination. 13% of Hungarians, however, said that people who are in same-sex relationships should be charged as criminals, while 64% disagreed. As for transgender people, 60% agreed that they should have the same rights, 64% believed they should be protected from employment discrimination and a plurality of 48% believed they should be allowed to change their legal gender.

A GLOBSEC survey conducted in March 2023 showed that 56% of Hungarians supported same-sex marriage, while 37% were opposed.

The 2023 Eurobarometer found that 42% of Hungarians thought same-sex marriage should be allowed throughout Europe, and 49% agreed that "there is nothing wrong in a sexual relationship between two persons of the same sex".

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Canton, Baltimore

Canton is a historic waterfront neighborhood in Baltimore, Maryland, United States. The neighborhood is along Baltimore's outer harbor in the southeastern section of the city, roughly 2 mi east of Baltimore's downtown district and next to or near the neighborhoods of Patterson Park, Fell's Point, Highlandtown, and Brewers Hill.

Canton is considered one of Baltimore's trendiest and vibrant neighborhoods, known for its family-friendly community, urban lifestyle and hot spot for the social scene. The inclusive neighborhood continues to see rapid growth as more development opportunities come into the area. Since the late 1990s, the neighborhood has undergone significant gentrification and has been ranked the 16th most-gentrified zip code in the nation from 2000 to 2016.

Before 1785
For several hundred years before 1608, the land including Canton is likely in the geographic sphere of influence of the ancestors of the contemporary Piscataway Peoples. The area that is now Canton, east and south of the Fall Line, would be used for fishing and cultivation. In 1608, John Smith reported the area to be uninhabited, but this is thought to be due to recent conflict with the Massawomeck people from the north. In 1652, the Susquehannocks are forced to cede their control over the land between the Patuxent and Susquehanna rivers, including what is now Baltimore and Canton. In 1782, the borders of what would become Canton are defined on the west side when Baltimore City annexes the area west of Harris Creek.

1785-1828
In 1785, Irish merchant and slave owner John O'Donnell settled in Baltimore after arriving on the ship "Pallas" from Calcutta and the Chinese port of Guangzhou, then called Canton by English speakers. When O'Donnell purchased land, he named his plantation Canton. When O'Donnell died in 1805, the probate inventory of his estate includes 48 enslaved persons, including several infants, with their name, race, age, sex, dollar valuation, and other notes. On April 5, 2021, after a successful campaign by neighborhood groups, O'Donnell's statue was removed.

A major feature of early Canton was Major David Stodder's shipyard, located at Harris Creek, with the most famous vessel built being the USS Constellation in 1797.

In 1825, The Erie canal is completed, opening up new competition for Baltimore in trade and commerce.

1828-1966
In the beginning of the 19th century, O'Donnell's land was sold off by his son Columbus O’Donnell, William Patterson and Peter Cooper, and was developed by the Canton Company for the waterfront industry and blue-collar housing.

During the early 19th century, European immigrants settled in the area. Welsh immigrants, primarily workers from South Wales, began settling in Baltimore in large numbers beginning in the 1820s. Welsh and Irish migrant workers composed a large portion of Baltimore's working class during the early and mid-1800s. In 1850, a large community of copper workers from Wales settled in the neighborhood. These workers established a Presbyterian church in 1865, located on Toone Street in Canton. Subsequent groups of immigrants have included Germans, Poles and Ukrainians. On a Residential Security Map in 1937, most of the Canton neighborhood is classified as D/Fourth Grade (redlined), or classified industrial, along with the majority of central Baltimore. In 1957, Baltimore's Harbor Tunnel opens, connecting East Baltimore to South Baltimore and eliminating the “Baltimore Bottleneck” from Philadelphia and The South. At 1.4 miles long, 17.6 miles including approaches, it costs $144 million to build and is the longest twin-tube trench tunnel in the world when it opens.

July 19, 1960, The Canton Company becomes a wholly owned subsidiary of International Mining Co.

1966-Present
As a part of the urban renewal highway plan for Baltimore City, in January 1966 the Baltimore City Council passed a condemnation bill for the construction of I-83 along the Boston Street, which would have cut the neighborhood off from the waterfront.

By 1960, in hopes of making irreversible progress toward that goal, Baltimore City demolishes 215 houses between Boston and Elliott Streets and Linwood and Lakewood Avenues. Gloria Aull and Barbara Mikulski starts the Southeast Council Against the Road (SCAR) to protest construction of the East-West Expressway through Canton, Fells Point, Federal Hill, and other communities. Mikulski is elected to the City Council in 1971, and this effort to stop the highway is ultimately successful.

In 1980, the Canton Historic District is added to the National Register of Historic Places. And later that year, the statue of John O'Donnell that was later removed was installed, after Baltimore City paid local artist Tilden Streett $20,000 for the commission.

Starting with the Anchorage Townhouses in 1984 and continuing through the 2000s, as industry moved out, new housing and marinas have been developed along the waterfront and gentrification of the existing housing has occurred further inland. In 1990, Canton Waterfront Park and the Korean War Memorial are dedicated, replacing a railroad yard and cargo pier, closed many years prior, of which a car float is the only remaining structure. The Korean War Memorial incorrectly shows the border of North and South Korea at the 38th parallel instead of the DMZ, but the designer of the map, Dr. Randall Beirne of UMB, declines to correct the error.

Canton's role in resisting integration and public housing in the 20th century was well-documented, up to a 1992 public meeting that shut down plans to add an affordable housing project after over 700 residents "shout down City officials" presenting the proposal. A highly circulated flier before the event claimed untruthfully that the city was building a “high rise housing project” that would “destroy your property value and fill Highlandtown with the drugs, crime, and violence.”

Canton is home to a section of the planned Red Line along Boston Street to when it would turn North toward Hopkins Bayview. Development along the path of the proposed line, after it is shut down by Governor Larry Hogan in 2015, has left the future path of the Red Line unclear (as of July 2024) after its revival in 2023.

Boundaries
Canton is bounded by Patterson Park and Eastern Ave to the north, Chester Street to the west, the waterfront to the south, and Conkling Street to the east. The streets are laid out in a uniform north to south and east to west directions, with the major exception of Boston Street, which runs along the Patapsco River waterfront.

Transportation
Canton is conveniently situated with easy access to Interstate 95, Interstate 895 and Boston Street and Eastern Avenues, which provide major surface routes to downtown Baltimore. Two high-frequency MTA bus lines (Gold and Navy) service Canton for direct access to the central business district and Penn Station. The south waterfront area provides a water taxi link to Locust Point.

Bus transportation to New York City and Washington, D.C., is available with frequent service at a nearby Eastern Bus stop on Ponca Street.

Landmarks
Many of the structures are included in the Canton Historic District, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1980.

Canton's traditional center is O'Donnell Square, a small park bordered on the north and south by O'Donnell Street, to the east by South Potomac Street, and to the west by Linwood Avenue. O'Donnell Square is home to a number of lively bars and restaurants, gift shops, salons and other small businesses, as well as residences. Canton is also immediately adjacent to Patterson Park, a popular nearby attraction for local residents. In the 2000s, developments have added focus areas to the neighborhood, including the Canton Waterfront Park and Maryland Korean War Memorial, the rehabilitated American Can Company building, the Du Burns Soccer Arena, two marinas, a public boat launch, and new bars and restaurants. The Canton Dog Park, the first off-leash dog park in Baltimore, has been open for dog lovers since 2002.

The neighborhood is home to the many food and wine festivals, Light Night Canton, Baltimore's annual Ukrainian-American festival, summer concert series, and is a popular destination to view Baltimore Harbor July 4th fireworks. A premier shopping complex, The Shops at Canton Crossing, anchored by Target and Nordstrom Rack, has been serving local residents since 2013.

Notable churches in the area include the St. Casimir (Roman Catholic) Church, built c. 1926, the St. Michael the Archangel Ukrainian Catholic Church, and the (Episcopal) Church on the Square.

Canton's branch of the Enoch Pratt Free Library, Baltimore's first and in operation since 1866, is centrally located on O’Donnell Square.

A moored trash interceptor, the female-gendered Professor Trash Wheel (with appropriate googly eyes) can be found off the Boston Street Pier Park since December 2016.

Housing stock
Most houses in Canton are turn-of-the-20th-century two- to three-story rowhouses. Some homes closer to the waterfront date from the Civil War and many are well-preserved despite their age. New townhouses have recently been built at O'Donnell Square and throughout the neighborhood, replacing some of the previous stock. There are also luxury waterfront apartments and condominiums in recently rehabilitated industrial buildings. According to the Baltimore Neighborhood Indicators Alliance, the median price of homes sold in 2016 was $286,500, an increase from $231,000 in 2011.

Demographics
Based on data derived from the census of 2010 and 2014 ACS 5-year estimate, there were 11,398 people living in the neighborhood. The racial makeup of Canton was 90.8% White, 3.9% African American, 0.1% Native American, 2.3% Asian, 1.0% from other races, and 2.0% from two or more races. The median household income in 2016 was $103,282, the 2nd highest of all Baltimore neighborhoods, behind Roland Park. 88.1% of the working-age population is employed, 3.0% is unemployed, both rates highest and lowest, respectively, among all Baltimore neighborhoods.

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Third opinion needed
Someone keeps adding information about a nonnotable Sudoku variant that was apparently created by the person who adds the text mentioning it. (See the original addition by someone called Zanet#### crediting the variant to one "Michel Zanett"). Every time I remove it they just come back and add it back. It'd be helpful if someone else verified that it doesn't belong here. DreamGuy (talk) 19:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Third opinion
I have been unable to find any reliable source coverage of this variant. One source should be enough for inclusion in the article since it doesn't have to meet the GNG to be part of another article, but instead only has to be verifiable. Without any RS coverage it doesn't belong.

The best way to handle this is to revert and kindly inform the offending party about our policies. If it continues to be added, report the adder for edit warring. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * One source would clearly not be enough for a mention here. That's a simply impractical suggestion, as every article would be full of nonnotable nonsense just because it can be confirmed but not because it has any relevance. We're not a collection of trivia. It doesn't have to demonstrate notability for a separate article, but it would still have to be demonstrably notable. One newspaper running a puzzle type or whatever would not cut it. DreamGuy (talk) 16:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Soduko
Why can't *soduko be a Japanese word? --88.78.10.15 (talk) 13:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Because *du becomes zu. —Tamfang (talk) 02:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions to further improve, 10:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I read this a bit out of curiosity and saw that it was A-class per WikiProject Mathematics; I'm not convinced. I recommend all of those suggestions, in order, before nominating for good or featured status: It's great that the New York Times liked it some years ago, but there is still vast improvement needed here. This isn't about some cancelled, short-lived, direct-to-video cartoon, but a world-famous game; it should be worth its players' time. --an odd name 10:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC) I've demoted it to B-class for those issues. Try to fix them before a re-assess. --an odd name 18:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Lead: Simply citing (a translation of) Euler's paper does not prove that Euler is "sometimes incorrectly cited as the source of the puzzle"; who incorrectly cites it? Find a source that says who does and that they're wrong. At minimum (and I don't recommend this as it is construable as original research) explain that the paper only talks about various aspects of Latin squares without inventing the game or its name, and remove the "sometimes incorrectly cited" phrase—Euler's paper doesn't say who does.
 * 2) History: Consider describing the main variant's rules in a prior section before discussing the game's history, or at least moving "Variants" to precede it. The article body has barely started, and the first paragraph already says "It was not a Sudoku because it contained double-digit numbers and required arithmetic rather than logic to solve"—that probably cost us a reader or two already.  Also more weasel words in para 2; there may be more throughout.
 * 3) Variants: Any Sudoku variants without their own articles need a citation—e.g. give an issue and page number for at least one magazine appearance of Digital Number Place. Anyone can think up a variant and plop it on the page; mention notable ones only.  Check that variants with their own article are also cited, and consider copying their articles' citations to this article.
 * 4) Competitions: The World Sudoku Championships should probably be grouped together, and followed by the newspaper ones.
 * 5) Stubby paragraphs and lone sentences remain a long-time issue. Combine them with bigger ones.
 * 6) Cite all non-obvious statements (as in #1) in the article, if possible, and make sure the cites prove those specific facts.
 * 7) Make sure that the lead summarizes all the article's major aspects. A good lead won't need citations (except for contentious stuff) because it briefly says what's already written.
 * 8) Add alt text for images so it can meet FA criterion 3.
 * 9) Seek a peer review and a copyedit from someone outside of the project(s) to point out errors, redundancies, and unfamiliar terms, especially in the lead (many will just read that, so make it sparkle like a bag of golden Skittles).

Wordoku?
"Wordoku" redirects here, but there's no explanation of it... Wouldn't that be a good idea? (If I knew what it was, I'd contribute one.) -- SomeAvailableName 09:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Uniqueness of solution
My understanding is that a proper Sudoku has a unique solution. Is this in fact the case? The article doesn't make this point clear, although section 3 alludes to it. Tayste (talk - contrib) 01:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Solution grids fall into 3 main categories: 'No-solution', caused by an invalid puzzle (some contradiction present); 'one/unique solution', which only have 1 solution that can't be eliminated by logic; and Multiple Solutions, which occur when one (or more) cells are left with more than one possibility that can't be eliminated. Regardless of which possible value you choose, the final puzzles are all both valid and generatable from the given input grid.   If you take a grid known to have one or more solutions and erase some of it's inputs, you'll almost always end up with a puzzle with multiple solutions.  Thus, a puzzle with multiple solutions could be considered the result of insufficient input data, but is still technically valid.  Ghos  t wo  07:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Missing explanation of difficulty levels.
In my local newspaper, the standard sudoku (9x9 grid with 3x3 sub-grid) always comes with a given difficulty rating, which ranges from one to five stars – five being the hardest.

It would be nice to have a separate section, in the Sudoku article, with info about difficulty levels in sudoku. But, at the same time, I am a little bit afraid that it might kind of "spoil the fun" – if I explicitly were to know the details of the exact features/qualities which makes up each difficulty level. Therefore I think I might prefer to have some of the most revealing info in a " Explicit details " subsection, with a spoiler warning in front of it. --Seren-dipper (talk) 02:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no such standard by any means. Difficulty level ratings vary wildly among publishers.—Emil J. 11:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Still, presumably, the difficulty level ratings from each publisher is internally consistent – is it not? So it would be interesting to read examples of how some (various) publishers rate their sudokus! --89.9.66.14 (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Correlation to Intelligence quotient (IQ) ?
My subjective experience is that the difficulty, of each of the five difficulty levels mentioned in the previous section, is fairly constant. So, on the condition that a person never just guesses on a number, then the ability to solve each difficulty level, may have at least some probability -correlation with the Intelligence quotient (IQ) of that person. For instance: what would be an educated guess about the IQ-level of one who never manages to solve a four-star? Or one who, given time, always is able to solve a three-star game, but only sometimes manages to solve a four-star. (And what about the other difficulty levels?). (I guess it will make a significant change to his/her ability, whether someone has told the person anything more than the basic rules about how to solve a sudoku, but still I would love to read a little something about this, when reading about sudoku!). I do not know of any scientific research around this, but I presume it has been done. It would be very nice to have some info about it in this article. --Seren-dipper (talk) 02:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

 * WHY do you think there ought to be a correlation between sudoku-solving ability and IQ? especially when you have instances of people with autism who have very specific mathematical talents?184.148.66.92 (talk) 00:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * What about the IQ of someone who puts such nonsense on this page? I won't catalog all the logic errors and muddled thinking here, beyond the primary one--it doesn't belong on this page. P.S. The response below is also completely irrelevant to this page ... Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not the idle musings of editors, and it's bizarre to ask me for sources for an absurd speculation (made 11 years ago) that I'm objecting to. (And don't change the indentation of comments ... I indented this based on who I was responding to. BTW, the comment above by 184.148.66.92 is not off the mark at all. IQ variance being greater in autistics than neurotypicals actually reinforces the point--people with ASD are 40 times as likely to have intellectual disabilities. 184.148.66.92's point was (obviously) that even people with severe intellectual disabilities might have specialized abilities for solving Sudoku.) -- 184.187.178.32 (talk) 04:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Easy now ... but yes, IQ is a slippery subject, being an attempt to express in one number what unquestionably is a much more complicated matter. Serious IQ's are typically determined by a battery of different tests, thus attempting to average out the different emphasis of different types of questions. Classical IQ tests (apart from often mixing in things that clearly have a cultural bias that shouldn't be part of a determination of "general intelligence") tend to emphasize things like logical thinking and pattern-finding, and Sudoku-solving would fit nicely into such tests - clearly, it would "measure" some of the same things. For virtually ANY type of question in an IQ test, there are techniques and approaches that can be trained, meaning the test does not only measure "general intelligence", but also measures specific training towards the specific question types in the test. This would be more true about Sudoku solving than for many other question types, so the simple association of Sudoku difficuly levels with IQ is impossible. Completely unfounded and off the top of my head: A person with an IQ of 100, say, can solve a two-star Sudoku without training, but with some training, the same person can solve a four-star Sudoku, and after learning an algorithm involving some kind of note-taking in the process, can solve any solvable Sudoku.
 * Does this discussion belong on this talk page? That depends: Does it point towards some change or addition to the article itself? The answer to that is: Only if someone can dig up sources of a type and quality suitable for Wikipedia. Can you?
 * PS. The mention of autism above is way off the mark. Unless I misunderstand, it seems to imply that autists have low IQ, which is nonsense. As measured with classical IQ tests, I'd expect autists to be spread out over all of the IQ scale (possibly even more spread out that neurotypicals).--Nø (talk) 10:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Article talk pages are primarily about changes to article, but they are also about community interaction. Hence, don't just be right - be civil too, and explain yourself in a way that may help other editors along.--Nø (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Solving methods?
Glossary of Sudoku links to Sudoku to explain "scanning", "cross hatching" and "counting", yet the section doesn't seem to exist and none of these terms are explained. What happened? Jpatokal (talk) 07:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The sections on the various strategies used (and on related terminology) were removed during this edit in November 2008. The reason given was that Wikipedia is not an instruction manual and that solutions are already covered in the Mathematics of Sudoku article. Riick (talk) 01:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * (Also potentially relevant is this uncaught section blanking vandalism. It may have inspired the removal of the solution methodology sections by eliminating their intended context within the article. Riick (talk) 06:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC) )

The article at the time of the deletions was certainly starting to resemble an instruction manual. However, I do not believe this necessitated deleting all solution methodology. Instead the tone and placement of that content should have been revised so as not to sound like instructions. How people go about using a puzzle is very much part of what the puzzle is, and therefore should be included in the article. In fact, according to the footnote for the Wikipedia is not an instruction manual policy, "describing to the reader how other people or things use something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use something is not." I am also not convinced by the second reason given for the deletion. The Mathematics of Sudoku article seems to be about combinatoric studies of Sudoku puzzles. As such, it discusses topics such as calculating the number of different Sudoku puzzles which can be constructed, determining whether it is theoretically possible for a Sudoku puzzle to have a given pattern, and so on. It includes nothing about the various approaches used when solving a Sudoku puzzle, nor did it at the time of the deletion. For these reasons, I propose returning the information about solution methodologies to the article. Riick (talk) 04:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

This is not the first time there has been discussion about whether or not solution methodologies should be included. In an archived discussion from 2005 Zotmeister made the following comment, and I think it's still relevant today: "We list the primary weapons people use to tackle Sudoku puzzles because we're supposed to report that - it's historical info. The line is drawn between telling how people solve the puzzle and telling people how to solve the puzzle; we do the former to the best of our ability and leave the latter to other resources." Also, for what it's worth, I found an archived comment from 2008 regarding the specific deletions in question. Riick (talk) 05:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Could someone add back the worthwhile part of the discussion about Sudoko strategies/solutions? The person who deleted them, for example? Deleting all of that, some time ago, bordered on vandalism. The 'instruction manual' rationale does not really apply when specific patterns and strategies have been 'studied' and labelled. In this sense they are comparable to standard encyclopedic discussions of chess (various openings and gambits and so on that have been generally identified and are worthy of discussion). I might draw the line as specific notation systems used by individual solvers. 83.28.145.185 (talk) 09:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I wrote (almost) everything I know about Sudoku Solving on a webpage and a friend translated it into english. The result is exactly intended to be an 'instruction manual'. If someone likes to have more instructions and strategies here a link to my site is an option. A special 'manual' article might be an other option. If parts of my text or pictures are used, please name and/or link the source! http://www.signumsingulare.com/enus/theo.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.18.77.38 (talk) 15:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Steganography in sudoku
Let's get rid of this section. Steganography can be performed on pretty much any type of data. There's no evidence that anyone is engaging in steganography in sudoku puzzles other than for the purpose of demonstrating that it could be done. Who's with me? - Richard Cavell (talk) 09:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Broken link
Reference/link 38 in "Notes", "3rd-place winner disqualified in sudoku scandal", is broken. --Mortense (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Mathematical modeling of sudoku puzzle and easy way to find solution
I have found a wonderful new method to model the sudoku, it modelled sudoku into any arrey of number ( cordinates ) where by using simple rules we could find solution to any sudoke having valid solution, I think this method is not only good from solving sudoku but would added some many new concepts, solution methoid, mathemacticall way to understand sudoku etc...and need some one to review and help me to post it under right catagory , link is : http://www.scribd.com/doc/39235249/How-to-Solve-Sudoku-Mathematically HarshGoel (talk) 03:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC) Harsh Goel

 * This is not what this page is for. -- 184.187.178.32 (talk) 06:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Number of classic 9×9 Sudoku solution grids
The Number of classic 9×9 Sudoku solution grids is 1,908,360,529,573,850,000,000,000,000 or approximately ~ 1.908x1027 (help to verify my finding posted at http://www.scribd.com/doc/39235249/How-to-Solve-Sudoku-Mathematically ( appendix-B page 28 ) HarshGoel (talk)Harsh Goel —Preceding undated comment added 16:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC).

WP:Japan Importance Re-evaluated
The Importance of Sudoku to WP:Japan has been re-evaluated after secondary opinions were solicited from members of WP:Japan. The article was downgraded for the following reasons: Thank you. Boneyard90 (talk) 22:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The game of sudoku was NOT invented in Japan.
 * However, the name "Sudoku" was invented in Japan.
 * While the game is an international phenomenon, it should not be considered a "core topic" (per Top-importance criteria) on the subject of Japan. That is, if one were going to go look up information on Sudoku, one would not start with an encyclopedia on Japan.
 * Without sudoku, Japanese history and culture would not be much different, and therefore does not rank among articles such as Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Kabuki, or the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (all Top-importance).

Grubblegrook added a book promotion in the first section
I removed it.. but here it is for posterity: In 2009 Len Loullis produced a version called Koudus, the first straight-forward substitution of the letters A to I for numbers. Although this may seem to be pointless, Koudus puzzles are noticeably harder than Sudoku. For some reason to do with cognition letters do not spring to the mind’s eye as rapidly as numbers as it is more accustomed to seeing letters in groups forming words. Melrose Books of Ely ISBN 978 190656161 1

In other edits, he also had a url which I won't repeat, just in case. --JeffryJohnston (talk) 18:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Nonet?
I call those 3×3 squares in a Sudoku grid "sectors". --  Denelson83  05:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

 * What some random person calls something is not relevant to Wikipedia. -- 184.187.178.32 (talk) 06:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Killer Sudoku section
There is currently a very long Killer Sudoku section that appears to be copied straight from the Killer Sudoku page. I'm not sure, but I think that it is supposed to be replaced with just a link and a short description. I feel uncomfortable doing this myself; would someone with more experience check it out? Shades97 (talk) 23:16, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

 * I have and pointed to the main article with a  template. The article needs more work. - DVdm (talk) 18:27, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sudoku/links to consider
This subpage has been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Sudoku/links to consider. MER-C 08:29, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Note: There was a previous discussion in 2005 about this subpage, which was originally located at Sudoku/Resources. - M0rphzone (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Redirects
I just simply added two redirects for common mispellings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrillpicc100 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

 * I removed one. - DVdm (talk) 13:16, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

 * I was about to remove the other one as well, but someone was there before me. - DVdm (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

What are cross-sum sudokus?
At its current state, the section in the article does not give enough information to understand what these actually are. 188.169.229.30 (talk) 09:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

This is roughly 1.2×10−6 times the number of 9×9 Latin squares.
NEVER EVER!

The Latin square neglect the sub-boxes. To fill a sub-box, where are 9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9 = 387.420.489 combinations without any restrictions as in a Latin square. If each digit must occur only once, there are only 9! = 9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 362.880 or about thousand times less combinations. Since there are nine sub-boxes, the reduction must be much larger than one thousand times thousand or one million. Franz Scheerer (Olbers) (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Nope, you forgot a Latin Square must have distinct digits along a row/column. Also feel free to check it on your own. To compare, I count 576 Latin squares, in which 288 of them are Sudoku grids; that's exactly half. (You can verify this yourself; only 576, so it will take at most about five hours by hand...) By your thinking we have 4*4*4*4 = 256 combinations in a 2x2 box, while in a Sudoku grid we have 4! = 24 combinations, giving 1/10 from each box and thus there are 1/10000 Sudoku grids among 4x4 Latin squares... — chaotic_iak (talk) 12:10, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

 * This isn't a blog or forum about the article subject. Please omit personal opinions, calculations, or anything else personal from this page. Wikipedia is based on material from reliable sources, period. -- 184.187.178.32 (talk) 06:25, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Numberphile external link
Suggest the following external link be added:. Grime is a mathematics professor at the University of Nottingham. The video is a spinoff from The Periodic Table of Videos series created at Nottingham. – S. Rich (talk) 04:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Sections out of order?
I think the sections are kind of out of order. It's currently History, followed by Variants and Mathematics, and then back to the society with Recent Popularity. I feel like History should be followed by Recent Popularity. Opinions? — chaotic_iak (talk) 12:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Variant ABCDoku?
What about this variant? ABCDoku. See http://www.clarity-media.co.uk/abcdoku.php. TuckerResearch (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

 * It seems too different to be called a variant. Jimp 18:05, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

 * It's a variant but isn't notable. -- 184.187.178.32 (talk) 06:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Uniqueness of grid shown in top right
I thought a true Sudoku should have a unique solution. If that's the case then the one shown in the top right does not satisfy this - values 2 and 4 could be interchanged at (3,8) & (3,9), (8,3) & (9,3), (8,8) & (9,9). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.221.13.140 (talk) 11:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * An even simpler counterexample to uniqueness would be to interchange 2 and 4 in positions (5,4), (6,4), (5,7) and (6,7). You are correct, Sudoku solutions are to be unique, so this example is not a valid Sudoku example. The 2 x 2 subsquare that I've pointed out is called an intercalate and unless the four positions of one are in different subsquares, their existence will destroy uniqueness. Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 21:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The intro gives the transliteration of "数独" as "sūdoku" which would be pronounced. The recording,, however, is clearly neither nor the Anglicised  the article makes it appear to be but. Jimp 18:32, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Link to actual Sudoku puzzles
It seems reasonable to include the Web Sudoku link (http://www.websudoku.com), a Sudoku puzzle generator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpiedrav (talk • contribs) 17:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I submit a link for a Sudoku implemented in a spreadsheet file. Basically the game that runs in either Excel or Open Office. The original concept was to teach kids the power of a spreadsheet while also learning Sudoku (Games implemented on spreadsheets) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grpistoia (talk • contribs) 03:19, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Round / circular / circle sudoku
This variant of sudoku is not mentionned yet

https://www.google.co.il/search?q=circular+sudoku&oq=circular+sudoku&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j69i60.6508j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=awWBQz6bOBztwM%3A Hexagone59 (talk) 20:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

panmagic Sudoku
Hi! You may find some work about panmagic Sudokus at testwiki:user talk:Gangleri/tests/4x4 type square/panmagic Sudoku a part of a multiscript collaboration work; see testwiki:category:4x4 type square. Regards Gangleri (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Standardized Format for Sudoku Images
Between Sudoku, Mathematics of Sudoku, and Sudoku solving algorithms there are several formats for displaying a Sudoku (even within a single article). If any editors Add new Sudoku images, please go to ***Talk:Mathematics of Sudoku*** to see the suggested format. If comments please do not reply here. All comments on standardizing the format should be in the same Talk place.LithiumFlash (talk) 02:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Gusu?
In a varian tof sudoko have seen, there is added the name Gusuo, and some field ar makred grey, but what does it mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.73.41.211 (talk) 20:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Sandwich sudoku
I added this section under "Variants", but it was removed with a comment describing it as a "not notable variant".
 * Sandwich sudoku specifies for each row and column the total of the numbers in squares between the numbers 1 and 9.

Following WP:BRD I come here to discuss.

On consideration, I would now add:
 * Sandwich sudoku or Between 1 and 9 sudoku specifies for each row and column the total of the numbers in squares between the numbers 1 and 9.

Any views? Pam D  18:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Take a look at this Compilation of Sudoku Variants as well as the following discussion and reference to other list. Should all these variants be included in the main Sudoku page? Is the Sandwich variant more notable than them? (I can't find Sandwich in both lists.) My point is not to pollute the page with variants of questionable popularity. In any case, I will not revert your additions for the second time and will let others decide. Dobrichev (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you mean to say "I would not revert your additions if you added them again?" You seem to imply that I added the contested variation twice: I did not. I did revert your reversion of my change to the section heading, as the section already includes 9x9 variants like Jigsaw Sudoku (which I know as Jigsawdoku, though I didn't revert your removal of that, either), which were not covered by the previous section heading. Pam  D  15:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I see no problem in the section heading. "Variations of grid sizes or region shapes" looks OK. If you add back Sandwich I will not be aggressive and literally will not revert in hope that other editors will. If nobody reverts, then the article will stay polluted like many other articles are (ref. Sudoku solving algorithms, Combinatorial explosion). BTW for the same reason I don't like "Mini Sudoku", "Alphabetical Sudoku", "Hyper Sudoku", and "Twin Sudoku". I didn't revert them because I read them months after they were introduced and saw that nobody else reverted their addition.Dobrichev (talk) 16:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

"and then The Times (London), in 2004"
I remember daily sudoku puzzles in The Guardian (also London) in the 1990s. Narky Blert (talk) 18:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't get your point. I reverted your variant addition due to the reasons explained in the above talk section. Dobrichev (talk) 19:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Solving methods ?
I found a mention of some solving methods: X-wing, Y-wing, Swordfish and Forcing chain. Can they be explained in this article? VanBuren (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Link to the sudoku considered The hardest sudoku in the world
Arto Inkala wrote what is considered the hardest classic sudoku in the world.

sources: https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/can-you-solve-the-hardest-ever-sudoku

This page : the-hardest-sudoku-in-the-world

features the exact sudoku in a playable environment, and background details regarding the sudoku and its creator.

I think could be a unique addition to the external links.

Any objection? 176.231.1.54 (talk) 20:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I object to linking to any playable game per WP:ELNO. We're not a link directory. MrOllie (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Mistake?
There is probably a mistake in the article:

This is roughly 1.2×10−6 times the number of 9×9 Latin squares.

Moreover, the citation to it under number 36 is not to be found on the page linked to it. 213.57.96.10 (talk) 09:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Sudoku


text:
After Miss Julie

After Miss Julie is a 1995 play by Patrick Marber which relocates August Strindberg's naturalist tragedy, Miss Julie (1888), to an English country house in July 1945. The re-imagining of the events of Strindberg's original are transposed to the night of the British Labour Party's "landslide" election victory.

Plot and characters
There are only three characters in After Miss Julie; Miss Julie, a rich lady in her 20s, and two servants: John, a valet/chauffeur, aged 30, and Christine, a cook, aged 35. The action takes place in the kitchen of a large country house outside London, when the British Labour Party have just won their famous 'landslide' election victory.

Screen
After Miss Julie, written and directed by Patrick Marber, was screened by BBC 2 on 4 November 1995 as part of the Performance series. Miss Julie was played by Geraldine Somerville, John was played by Phil Daniels and Christine was played by Kathy Burke.

Stage
The stage premiere was at the Donmar Warehouse in London on 20 November 2003; its run ended on 7 February 2004. The three characters were played by Kelly Reilly (Miss Julie), Richard Coyle (John) and Helen Baxendale (Christine). The production was directed by Michael Grandage. It received generally very positive reviews, Kelly Reilly particularly praised for her performance. The Telegraph said it was "an unforgettable night of white-hot theatrical intensity" and The Guardian gave it 4 out of 5 stars.

The Young Vic revived After Miss Julie in March 2012 as its first production of Classics for A New Climate. It was directed by Natalie Abrahami. Natalie Dormer played the title role, Kieran Bew John, and Polly Frame Christine. The production was sold-out with Natalie Dormer receiving particularly high praise. Sarah Hemming of the Financial Times gave it 4 out of 5 stars as did Lyn Gardner in The Guardian calling it 'Natalie Abrahami's compulsively watchable revival'

Gothenburg English Studio Theatre in Sweden made a production of After Miss Julie during the spring of 2006. It was directed by Naomi Jones and portrayed by Emma Parsons (Christine), Gary Whitaker (John) and Kristina Brändén Whitaker (Miss Julie).

The Regional Premiere was at the Theatre By The Lake in Keswick on Friday, 28 July 2006. Its run ended on 1 November 2006. The characters were played by Juliette Goodman (Miss Julie), Guy Parry (John) and Polly Lister (Christine). It was directed by Simon H West. The production was praised for its impact, acting and sexual charge.

Salisbury Playhouse produce a production of After Miss Julie from 1–24 October 2009, directed by Tom Daley.

Broadway
The Roundabout Theatre Company produced the Broadway premiere on 22 October 2009 at the American Airlines Theatre to mixed reviews. It starred Sienna Miller (Miss Julie), Jonny Lee Miller (John) and Marin Ireland (Christine), and was directed by Mark Brokaw.

title: After Miss Julie