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Merge
Three articles have been merged into Little House on the Prairie:

 * Little House on the Prairie (book)
 * Little House on the Prairie (book series)
 * Little House on the Prairie (TV series)

This article should not be broken up into seperate articles. Just because it can, doesnt mean it should. There should be seperate sections inside the article. One for the book. For the book series. For the TV series. If the sections get too large then they break off into seperate articles. Stbalbach 18:15, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) The subject matter is too closely related for it to be seperate articles, and is more comprehensible and valuable as a single article. Stbalbach 01:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Moved the T.V. Series into it's own article and provided a internal link on the top of the page.Babygator23 00:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Please don't do that. This article was already a fragmented and confusing mess, there is no reason to separate it. There are already 4 little house articles we don't need to make it 5, 6, 7 or 8. A single main article that covers the books, TV, movies, historical sites - all this information is closely related. -- Stbalbach 14:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The television article should have its own page. It is notable in its own right, as a long-running television series which took from the books but also created many of its own storylines.  There is no reason that it should remain on this page.  Numerous pages have articles on both the book and the film(s) or television series based on it, when both are notable. -Shannernanner 08:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If it was just a book and TV I might agree, but LHOTP has tons of stuff beyond that - we need a central article to tie it all together, it fragments too easily. You could take every section in this article and make it a separate article. None of the sections are so long they need to break off, there is value in keeping it together. -- Stbalbach 14:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, looking at what you did, some of the TV versions in one article, and other TV versions are in this article -- which means you need to restore all the T^V categories back to this article. This article is not a book article, it's not that simple black and white "book versus TV", more complex. -- Stbalbach 14:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved and edited the article in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. This article should be the book article, or perhaps ought to be the disambiguation page.  The book series is unquestionably notable in its own right.  Perhaps then one page could be made jointly for the remaining series and miniseries, if none merit their own pages. -Shannernanner 18:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit history info
Because of the merge of three other articles into a fourth, the edit historys did not carry over. For previous edit history, please see the above article links. Stbalbach 01:51, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Plot summary?
Currently, the article talks a great deal about the history and success of the book and the TV/movie adaptations of it, but says very little about the content of the book. A plot summary and perhaps a cast of characters for at least the first book would be very helpful. --LostLeviathan 16:29, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * This article does indeed have little to say on the plot. The synopsi of the TV series pages are very vivid and well-written. There ought to be similarly good writing in this article. Squareenix 03:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Publisher
Does anyone know who originally published the Little House on the Prarie books? User:68.115.165.138
 * Harper & Brothers Carter 17:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More info
This article is getting better. There is still a lot of missing information as can be seen at this site. Additional books, awards, at least 12 historic sites, etc.. I'll keep it in mind as a project, but someone with more personal interest in the subject may want to expand on the article. Stbalbach 14:41, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Little House places

 * Good source for the above places : http://prairiemania.netfirms.com/liwsites.html (83.20.41.211 22:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC))
 * I've created a list of places (towns) where Laura and her family lived. It might be useful for |Historic sites and museums section. Here it is : (Compare : LH places discusion)

 * Cuba, New York - Pa's place of birth
 * Brookfield, Wisconsin - Ma's place of birth
 * Pepin, Wisconsin - Little House in the Big Woods
 * Chariton County, Missouri - Rothville, Missouri - the Ingalls lived there for a while in 1868
 * Independence, Kansas - Little House on the Prairie
 * Walnut Grove, Minnesota / Plum Creek, Minnesota - On the banks of Plum Creek
 * Burr Oak, Iowa - 1876, Freddie died in nearby, Grace was born
 * De Smet, South Dakota / Silver Lake (Kingsbury County, South Dakota)- By the shores of Silver Lake and later
 * Spring Valley, Minnesota - 1889 Laura and Almanzo lived there for a while
 * Westville, Florida - Laura lived there for a while
 * Mansfield, Missouri - "Rocky Ridge Farm"
 * I re-edited the list because the link for Cuba, NY, led to a disambiguation page. The edit should also be made anywhere the list was copied. Lawikitejana 03:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Here are some other places connected with the Ingalls and the Wilders, and their relatives :
 * Los Angeles, California - grave of Royal Wilder's wife; Electa
 * Pomona, California - "Little Town ..." manuscript is housed
 * San Francisco, California - Rose, but also Laura spent there some time
 * Danbury, Connecticut - Rose lived there
 * Elgin, Illinois - Charles Ingalls spent part of his childhood there
 * West Branch, Iowa - the documentary legacy of Rose Wilder Lane and her mother, Laura Ingalls Wilder, encompassed in the holdings of the Herbert Hoover Presidential Library (http://www.ecommcode2.com/hoover/research/wilder/)
 * Vinton, Iowa - blind school
 * Crowley, Louisiana - Rose spent some time there
 * Detroit, Michigan - some LH books manuscripts are there
 * Lake City, Minnesota - the Ingalls spent there couple of days
 * South Troy, Minnesota - Freddie Ingalls died here
 * Malone, New York - Almanzo lived there as a child
 * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Rose spent some time there
 * Keystone, South Dakota - Carrie and Mary lived there together
 * Harlingen, Texas - Rose lived there
 * Concord, Wisconsin - Caroline and Charles got married there
 * Stockholm, Wisconsin - Laura's cousines lived there

Silver Lake
I've been wondering about Laura's Silver Lake. There is no lake of this name near De Smet. I've found two lakes near DeSmet and other nine in the county. Here is the result of my researches : http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=181:2:8806190445556666386::NO:::. Does anybody know about which of them Laura wrote in her books ? (83.20.19.46 12:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)) ''Originally called Dry Woods Lake by American Indians, the lake was renamed for Jacob Thompson, Secretary of the Interior under President James Buchanan. The lake is mentioned as Twin Lakes in many of Laura Ingalls Wilder’s books, including By the Shores of Silver Lake and The Long Winter. In the 1930s, the lake was completely dry and used for pasture. In 1980s, the area was a 9,000-acre marsh. Heavy rains and snowmelt in the mid 80s filled the lake to over 20 feet deep and now covers 18,000 acres in Kingsbury County. The lake is so distinct it was designated as a National Natural Landmark.'' (Source : http://www.sdgfp.info/parks/regions/glaciallakes/lakethompson.htm) (83.20.38.133 17:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC))
 * I've found the answer - it's Lake Thompson.
 * Or, acctually no - Silver Lake - Referred to in Laura Ingalls Wilder's book "By the Shores of Silver Lake." Today, the lake is actually a marsh located immediately east of De Smet on the north side of Highway 14. The Ingalls' home (museum) can be visited in De Smet (Source : http://www.fws.gov/madisonwetlands/special_places.htm) (83.20.38.133 17:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC))

Little House books
I've created the list of Little House books. Please, check it and add what is missing.

Rose Wilder Lane as ghostwriter
"In recent years, controversy has surrounded the role of Wilder's daughter, author and political theorist Rose Wilder Lane, as either a silent editor or ghostwriter of her mother's books."

I would like to see this statement removed as it is already mentioned earlier in the article about Lane's contributions to the series. Also, while it is clear that Lane did edit "the Little House books", it has been clearly shown in many books and periodicals (i.e. John Miller's excellent biography of Laura Ingalls Wilder)that Lane did not "ghostwrite" the books. enosfam 17 May 2006 UTC
 * I've taken it out, for the first reason (redundant) rather than the second. To find out about Rose as political theorist, etc., it's easy enough to click on her name in the first sentence. The first mention says, "The depth of her involvement, and the extent of her influence on the theme and content of the books, has been the subject of much debate in recent years." That's perfectly accurate, and informative, and readers can learn about the ghostwriting allegations in the other articles, which mention the recent trend toward agreeing that's overstating the case.Lawikitejana 14:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * No problem I didn't realize it was a duplication. -- Stbalbach 16:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of American Indian Portrayals
While their may be criticism of Wilder’s handling of Native Americans, I think her portrayal of the family’s journey to “Indian Territory” is handled in a very evenhanded way. Pa and Laura herself seem intrigued, and Ma and Mary are very fearful. Also, Wilder explicitly writes that the family knew they were taking a gamble into Indian Territory – they were aware the land was quite possibly not open for settlement, but couldn’t know for sure because it took so much time for information to come from Washington. This is supported by the flight of the family from Kansas, believing the lands would not be opened for settlement after all (information which itself turned out to be incorrect).

I added a mention of Dennis McAuliffe's critique, "Little House on the Osage Prairie", with a footnote/link to Oyate's website, which has the essay. McAuliffe discusses historical information relevant to Wilder's handling of her family's journey to Indian Territory, as well as Little House on the Prairie's impact on him as an Osage man. 03:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Fransdottir

"This is supported by the flight of the family from Kansas, believing the lands would not be opened for settlement after all" This is correct and documented in the books, and in other of Wilder's writings. This entire section is lacking in balance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.51.98 (talk) 00:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Infobox for Little House on the Prairie TV series
Is it okay if I add an infobox for Little House on the Prairie to this article? The TV series ran for 8 or 9 seasons. There is already an infobox for the book in this article. Is there a rule on Wikipedia that 2 infoboxes cannot be on the same article? If there is such a rule, the Little House on the Prairie (TV series) may need its own article and I would be the one to create it. Jim856796 04:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Add away. The Little House on the Prairie already has it's own article It is currently under the television section and is a link. Check that out and add to it.

~Babygator23~ 00:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Characters based on real people
I just finished reading Little House on the Praire, and there is no Nellie Oleson in it. I think this is due to the confusion between the book and the TV series, which is really based on On the Banks of Plum Creek.Dlanier

Nellie Oleson does not appear in the series (books) until "By the Banks of Plum Creek", where her father owns the general store.

Keep in mind that although these books are based on stories told to her by her family and her own recollections they are fiction. The TV series is further fictionalized and dramatized. Tomsv 98 (talk) 23:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Separate articles?
All of the other books in the series have their own articles. I don't see why the "Little House on the Prarie" book is combined with the series article. I think they should be separated so it's less confusing. Hollerama 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Original cover?
There are two images which claim to be the original front cover, anyone know which one really is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.26.214 (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed one of the images as it was of a different book, Little House in the Big Woods. Mikerooney (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Little Mosque Link
Does the link to Little Mosque on the Prairie belong here? The title alludes to the classic American book and drama series, Little House on the Prairie. The two series are not related aside from the modified version of the title logo. Tomsv 98 (talk) 23:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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Drop "on the Prairie" from this article's title
Since this article is about the ENTIRE series of books -- NOT just the third novel -- the name of the SERIES should be used for this article instead of the name of just the third book.

The television series was Little House on the Prairie, even long after they left that particular little house in Kansas and moved to another one in Minnesota.

The book series is just called "Little House" or "the 'Little House' books."

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Misquote about "uninhabited"
FYI, I removed the line "Wilder presents the land as "uninhabited," which it was not. " because it misquotes the source article. The article states that the author of a separate book said that many homesteaders consider the land uninhabited. Little House on the Prairie is very clear that the "Indians," with whom the family has regular interactions, were there first. Jerdwyer (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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Information is needed on why little of Prince's music is in the actual film, disappointing many moviegoers expecting to hear more. -AMR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.112.89 (talk) 03:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Information on Prince's "cameo" in the film would be appreciated. --AWF

"In a recent trivia book, Q music magazine suggested that "Batdance" was the beginning of the end of Prince's musical greatness, a view echoed by the popular press."

This is an irrelevant, highly biased, and very sweeping, exteme criticism. "The beginning of the end of Prince's musical greatness"??? First of all, not only is this a vague and not very well developed criticism both of the album and of Prince (what exactly is the cut-off point for musical greatness?), it's also highly irrational and unbalanced; most good music writers would not throw around a sentence like "the beginning of the end of his musical greatness" to refer to an artist who is not only still active, but who made many more popular and more critically-acclaimed records AFTER the release of this album. Music writers in the "popular press" might have said this when the album was released or even afterwards, but if they did, it would just be evidence that they are not very good music writers. I also question how much of the "popular press" echoes this very extreme sentiment. Furthermore, Q magazine trivia book is not a notable or authoritative source by any stretch of the imagination, and paraphrasing them here is an insult to both Q and to Prince fans. Acting as if this very extreme and inaccurate description of the Batman ablum is acceptable is bad enough, but to include it in an encyclopedia article is even more laughably outrageous. I'm totally deleting this sentence and I don't think anyone can reasonably disgaree with my reasoning. I concede it's not one of his most well-regarded albums, but this sentence cites a silly source to make a silly point that adds nothing to the article.

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Trivia
''US CD copies of Lovesexy have the entire album in sequence as a single track, so the listener is forced to hear the whole album in the context of a continuous sequence. European pressings and US promo copies are tracked, and contrary to popular belief are not rare.''

This is not true. The individually tracked European copies were pressed much later. For years, the CD was only available as a single track (although promotional copies were multi-tracked). Lianachan 10:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Opinion
''Lovesexy (1988) is widely considered among fans to be one of Prince's best works. Combining funk, R&B and rock in a way seldom done before, Prince reached what may well be his artisic peak. ''

This is simply false; it's quite clearly not one of his most well-regarded albums critically. It was a commercial disappointment and is a relatively minor entry into his catalog in terms of pure popularity. This sentence seems to me to be an attempt by some obsessed fan to exaggerate the album's popularity, which is self-evidently silly.

''That "some obsessed" fan would be me. Please be careful in your words. In print it always looks harsher than you probably mean it :) Anyway, I wrote that bacause most Prince-fans I know actually do consider it to be one of his best albums. Perhaps this was not the case elsewhere, but in Holland, where I'm from, it was definately not a commercial disappointment nor is it considered a minor work. Patrick Rasenberg''

 * No, I meant it to be harsh, though not offensive. In any case "Prince-fans you know" don't qualify as a reliable source-- no offense. In addition, not to come down on Holland, but it doesn't qualify as one of Prince's major markets, mostly because America is a much larger country and a larger music market and Prince himself is American. If you compared worldwide sales of this album to his previous records, you would see a marked decrease. Lovesexy does mark the beginning of a commercial decline, despite it's apparent success in Holland. I find it interesting that the perception of the album would be different in a different country, however there is no way to corroborate a sentence like "it is considered by Prince fans to be one of his best albums."

 * It's a pity you actually meant the insult. You rant on about sales, but that was not what the stricken sentence was about. That was about the perceived artistic quality of the album, although yes, it did sell quite well and the tour sold out major stadiums in Europe. But, the text is fine as it is of course, so let's leave it at that. Patrick Rasenberg

 * I meant it to be harsh for effect; "harsh" and "insulting" do not have the same meaning. There's nothing necessarily bad about being obsessed. In any case, your personal feeling about the album's artistic quality is POV; furthermore, I think it important to state in an encyclopedia article that the album represented the beginning of a commercial and critical decline, because it did. --unsigned

 * That's hardly true. LoveSexy was a commercial disappointment in the US but it was hardly a trend. He was back to the top of the charts the following year with Batman and again 2 years later with D&P and O(+>. It wasn't until '94 that he consistently began to see less than a million copies of any given album. --John T. Folden 23:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

New topic: Demos from Lovesexy are available as bootlegs. Someone please compile a listing of their original titles and the bootleg albums on which they appear. Bootlegs are an essential aspect of Prince's career and myth.

 * They're not particularly any more available than from any other year. In fact, there's not as many unreleased tracks associated with Lovesexy as with most of his other 1980's albums. Lianachan 00:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Rita (Israeli singer)

Rita Jahan-Farouz (ריטה יהאן-פָרוּז), known mononymously as Rita, is an Iranian-Israeli singer and actress.

In 2011, she became famous in Iran after the release of various pop records in which she sings in her native Persian language. In 2012, Israeli producer Amer Payami managed her album All My Joys, also sung in Persian; it was popular in Israel and Iran, going gold in Israel after three weeks. She has since been commonly referred to as a cultural ambassador between Israelis and Iranians, and has personally stated that she hopes to "puncture the wall of tension" between the two countries.

Early and personal life
Rita was born in Tehran, Iran, to a family of Persian Jews in 1962. In 1970, they immigrated to Israel, settling down in the city of Ramat HaSharon. Her niece is Israeli actress and singer Liraz Charhi.

During her compulsory military service in the early 1980s, she began singing professionally as a musical band member, and rose to stardom quickly. In 1988, she married Israeli singer and composer Rami Kleinstein, with whom she has two daughters. The couple performed together in 2001. In 2007, they announced that they were separating.

Career
Rita began her career in 1980 as part of a musical troupe in the Israel Defense Forces. In 1982, she attended the "Beit Zvi" school of acting. Her first exposure to the general public in Israel was at the 1986 Pre-Eurovision Song Contest (known as the Kdam-Eurovision), which decided who would represent Israel in the upcoming Eurovision Song Contest.

Rita did not win, but her song, Shvil haBrichah garnered much interest. That same year, Rita starred in a production of My Fair Lady and released her self-titled debut album, Rita, which went triple platinum, selling over 120,000 copies. In 1987, she released the English language album Breaking Those Walls under the name of Rita Farouz. That album contained several English versions of her Hebrew songs from the first album as well as original material. Despite going gold (20,000 copies) in Israel, that album was not an international success.

In 1988, Rita released her second album, Yemei Ha'Tom (The Days of Innocence), which was produced by her then husband, Rami Kleinstein, and which included a song by Israeli playwright Hanoch Levin. In 1988 and 1989 she was chosen as Singer of the Year by Israel's national radio station.

In 1990, Rita represented Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest with Shara Barkhovot (Singing in the Streets), but only achieved 18th place. After a brief hiatus, Rita returned in 1994 with her third album, Ahava Gedola (A Great Love), which led to a three-year tour around the country. Tahanot Bazman (Stations in Time) was released in 1996, consisting mainly of previously unreleased material.

In 1995, Rita voiced Pocahontas in the Hebrew dubbed version of the animated Disney film Pocahontas, including the songs. In 1998, Rita was invited to sing the Israeli national anthem Hatikvah (The Hope) at Israel's jubilee celebration Paamonei ha'yovel (The Jubilee Bells). There was a minor uproar concerning her fee, which was deemed exorbitant by some, but she was convinced to appear following a call from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. She reportedly donated the money to charity.

In 1999, Rita released Tiftakh Halon (Open a Window). Her song, "Bo (your soul)" was featured prominently in the 2002 Israeli film, Yossi & Jagger.

She released Hamtzan (Oxygen) in 2003. In 2004, Rita played the role of Roxie Hart in an adaptation of Chicago for the Beit Lessin Theater.

In 2006, Rita appeared in a show called One (in English) which ran for a month at the Israel Trade Fairs & Convention Center. Directed by Hanoch Rosenn and choreographed by Mitch Sebastian, it included lasers, flamethrowers, 3-D images, smoke machines and forty dancers, acrobats, and actors. Over 100,000 tickets were sold. In 2008, Rita released her 7th album, Remazim (Clues), her first in five years.

In 2010 she performed at the President's Residence in Jerusalem in the presence of Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi and Israeli president Shimon Peres. She sang her musical version to Bialik's poem Hachnisini tachat knafekh ("Put me under your wings") and an aria in Italian.

Deciding to create a song in her childhood language of Persian, which she speaks fluently, she introduced the single, "Shaneh" based on traditional Persian folk music, but modernized with a more pop and techno dance beat. She released her new Persian single, "Shaneh", on June 22, 2011. Iranians of all ages responded "overwhelmingly," including sending her emails and writing on her Facebook page.

Most Westernized popular music, including hers, is banned in Iran, which filters the Internet. However, fans have downloaded or bought bootleg copies of her albums. Iranians living in other countries flooded her recording studio with messages, especially after the release of her 2012 album, All My Joys, also in Persian. It was certified gold in Israel within three weeks of its release.

Despite her popularity in Iran, the Iranian government called her music a "plot" to win over the hearts and minds of Iranians and part of Israel's "soft war" against Iran. She was also criticized for sending good wishes to Iranians for Nowruz, the Iranian New Year.

Awards and recognition
In 2013, a documentary about her album in Persian was directed by Ayal Goldberg. It was shown at the Lincoln Center in New York City during the New York Jewish Film Festival in 2014. In Australia, it was shown in Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide and Perth during the AICE Israeli Film Festival in August 2014.

Studio albums

 * 1986: Rita (4× Platinum)
 * 1987: Breaking Those Walls (Gold)
 * 1988: Yamey Ha-Tom (The Days of Innocence) (5× Gold)
 * 1994: Ahava Gdola (A Great Love) (4× Platinum)
 * 1999: Tiftah Halon (Open a Window) (2× Platinum)
 * 2000: Time For Peace (Gold)
 * 2003: Hamtsan (Oxygen) (Gold)
 * 2008: Remazim (Hints) (Platinum)
 * 2012: HaSmachot Sheli (My Joys) (Gold)
 * 2015: Heaven Sent
 * 2017: Nisim Shqufim (Transparent Miracles)

Compilation albums

 * 1996: Tahanot BaZman (Stages in Time) (2× Platinum)
 * 2015: Rita - haOsef (Rita: The Collection)

Live album

 * 1998: Ahava Gdola - Hahofaa (A Great Love - The Show)
 * 2001: Rita & Rami On Stage (5× Gold)
 * 2007: ONE (Live) (Gold)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gay Friendly level

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. moink 11:48, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Gay Friendly level
I'm not sure what this is, but it does not appear to be an encyclopedia article: appears to be idiosyncratic / original research. -- The Anome 18:18, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)]

 * Bizarre - google search returns 0 hits. I think someone made this up... delete. quiffhanger
 * Please wait a bit. A newcomer user:80.53.83.194 is doing some global development in good faith. It looks like this is going to be kind of legend for his tables. Please see his contibutions and give him an advice how to proceed according to wiippedia rules. Mikkalai 20:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * He must state his source. If he has created the table himself it must be considered original research, and be deleted. Eixo 21:54, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * You seem to not understand what I am saying. It is not a "research". It is a "legend". AFAIK the guy intends to write a series of articles about gay rights in many countries. Please look at Gay Rights in Poland for example. It has an entry: "Gay Friendly level: 4.0". IMO this way is much clear than he would write in every article one and the same text:
 * ... exists some antidiscrimination law or recognition of cohabiting same sex couples. Gay scene is good, and community is tolerant. But there are some prejudices. There is no discrimination in law. (this corresponds to level 4; the same for other levels).
 * I repeat, the editor needs help, not a mere deletion. Mikkalai 02:31, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Mikkalai--if it's a Level assigned by some organization, then he should cite a source. If it's a shorthand he's developed himself, then it does seem to come pretty close to original research. Trying to evaluate the quality of the local "gay scene" (as "great", "good", "small", with various qualifiers) is something that's awfully difficult to NPOV. For the political and civil rights categories in the series of articles, he might be better off just adopting one or more of the measures from List of Indices of Freedom. I've gotta go with delete here. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 04:50, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with TenOfAllTrades here; this scale of "LGBT friendliness" is the creation of the user user:80.53.83.194 and not any kind of more widely used definition. It does not belong to mainspace. If s/he wants to preserve it, s/he should register and place it under hir own user page. As far as I am concerned, it seems interesting althought overtly generalistic - Skysmith 09:49, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sticking to my story here. This “legend” constitutes a table of categorisation, and must as such necessarily be considered a piece of original scholarship by its creator. The information involved here is far too complex and ambiguous to be rated on a simple scale. I appreciate what the creator is trying to do, but either an external source should be quoted, or each entry should be treated separately. Eixo 12:25, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm tempted to call this original research, or neologism, or something like that. Weak delete unless a source is provided. Radiant_* 15:39, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * delete, I say. Aris Katsaris 00:21, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even as a categorisation scheme it is still original research.  The categorization scheme is not encyclopedic in and of itself.  It doesn't represent a body of knowledge.  Kudos to the guy attempting this, though...looks like a valiant, of not well thought out, start of an ambitious project.  If reframed and carefully researched something similar to this could work, but this isn't it.Tobycat 03:33, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Béla IV of Hungary

King of Serbia?
Why are Bela IV and succeeding Hungarian kings called the kings of Serbia in the table beneath? In fact they were kings of Croatia, not Serbia.--Muarrih (talk) 17:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Because of the title. --SavoRastko (talk) 22:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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This part has been deleted, but should be put somewhere (probably into an article about the woman in question):

 * Her daughter, Margaret (Margit) (1242–1270) mostly lived on Margaret Island, which was later named after her. She was canonized in 1943.

Adam78 18:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I haven't seen any mention of a daughter, known alternately as Jolenta, Yolande, Helen, or Ilona, a.k.a. "St. ~ of Hungary" or "St. ~ of Poland". She was wife to Boleslaus of Greater Poland, and recently canonized by John-Paul II. Anyone have any [reliable] info on her?SigPig 03:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC) Ooops, my bad, I was confusing her with Kunegunde. She's still "Blessed". SigPig 03:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian names for places before 1867
As the official language of the Kingdom of Hungary was Latin until 1867, using Hungarian names for cities etc. before this date is anachronistic. Since the Latin name that was used at the time can scarcely be found, we should list all the places with their modern names.Wladthemlat (talk) 16:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Only some nobles and clergy could speak Latin - the common language of the people was of course Magyar. HammerFilmFan (talk) 07:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Don't forget, that medieval Hungary was multiethnical state, and that there were many other languages spoken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukáč Peter (talk • contribs) 13:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Sabina and Moys
Szabina, wife of Mózes (Majos/Majs/Mojs/Moys), Palatine of Hungary (? – 1280)[3][4][5] and the References

3 # ^ Gyula Pauler, A Magyar Nemzet Története: Az Árpádházi Királyok Alatt, Vol. 2., Athenaeum, 1899. Page 321

4 # ^ Gyula Pauler, A Magyar Nemzet Története: Az Árpádházi Királyok Alatt, Vol. 2., Athenaeum, 1899. Page 531

5 # ^ Mór Wertner, Az Árpádok Családi Története, Pleitz Fer. Pál könyvnyomdája, 1892. Page 606 have a lot of problem!

I have locking about this information. It is NOT TRUE!!!

The book: Gyula Pauler, A Magyar Nemzet Története: Az Árpádházi Királyok Alatt, Vol. 2., Athenaeum, 1899.

http://www.archive.org/details/amagyarnemzettr00paulgoog

On the Page 321 - is not Sabina or Szabina

On Page 531 is a person with the name: Moyz as he wer a saracen person.

BUT!!!: On the Page 686 is the information:

--IV Bela hasn't got a dauther with the name Sabina.

-- the citat of this page: Page 686 / 801 ^**' ..... " A Vita s Kingae said also (Mon. Pol. IV. 684.) IV Bela has only six — means adult girl — dauchter. About Erzsebet  W. III. 205. Our writers are thinkin that  IV. Bela had yet a dauter named "Sabina", They are thinkinig that this woman was the wife of the  II. Majs Palatine . IV. László's document (CD. V/3. 78.) tsoror nostra carissima> must not means ount. In the origin decument  (DL. 1092.)is not the name " Sabina "; This name has someone wiseacre person  arbitrarily push in it when he . descripted it. II. Majs wife's name  was Erzsébet (Nyelvemléktár VII. 6ö.); Majs daughter, was 44 year old when she in year  1276 about the holiness of Szent Margit confissed, that means she was born in year 1232 (u. o. 5ö.). If we presuppose that Masjs daughter were from an other wife, then she cannot to be dauter of  IV Bela, becose the IV Bela was in year 1932 same 26 year old. Wertner M. has also good thinking, that he wife of II. Majs can not to be the daughter of IV Bela. He writes in her book (The family History of Arpads) Az  Árpádok családi története 606. s kk. 11., about Sabina, but in this time he can not to know, that the name  Sabina is a poor  fudge. ...."

5 ^ Mór Wertner, Az Árpádok Családi Története, Pleitz Fer. Pál könyvnyomdája, 1892. Page 606 I found this book not online.

But, I found the book: Mór Werthner, IV Béla története (The history of IV Bela)  Published 1893 Csanád-Egyházmegyei Könyvsajtó in Temesvár.

http://openlibrary.org/works/OL15481016W/Negyedik_B%C3%A9la_kir%C3%A1ly_t%C3%B6rt%C3%A9nete

In this book isn't the name Sabina!!!

IV Bela's timelife:

1206        Nov. was born IV Bela (page 8)

1206         was born Mária Laskaris of Nikäai (was the daughter of Greak Emperor of nikäa and Armenian princess )

1214         was killed the mother of IV Bela - Gisella     (page 9)

1218         engagement between IV Bela and Maria Laskaris   (page 13)

1220 or1221  merried IV Bela and Maria Laskaris

1224         was born daughter Kinga,

????         was born daughter Margit (older),   -

????         was born daughter Katalin,

????         was born daughter Anna,

1235         was IV Bela the Hungarian king.

????         was born daughter Erzsébet,

????         was born daughter Konstancia,

1239         was born son V. István,             (page 39)

1239         married Kinga with V. Boleslav (Polski)

1241-1242    was the Mongol invasion

1241         The King family must also to  escape. Thay was in   Spalato, Vorossa, Klissa,  Trau ...

1242         In the town Klis died daughter Katalin.

1242         In the town Klis died also daughter Margit (the older) who was engagemented with Szent Omeri Vilmos (Page 110)

1242         Thay are burial in Spalato.

1242         The mother Maria Lasaris was expectant  with Margit (the younger), in Klis. Margit (the younger) was leter a nun.

1243         merried Anna with   Rosztiszláv the princ of Kiev and of  Holics

1243         was born son Béla,

1244         was born daughter Jolan.

1247         merried Erzsébet  with  Henrik prinz of Bavaria

1251         merried Konstancia  with  Leo the dauphin of Holics

1269         had died son Bela

1270         had died IV Bela the King

1270         had died the wife of IV Bela - Mária Laskaris

1271         had died daughter Margit (the younger), the nun.

1271         had died daughter Erzsébet (the wife of Henrik prinz of Bavaria.)

1272         had died son V. István

In this book isn't the name Sabina!!! There is the name Moys in it:

1217          Moys (leter the Palatine)  was together with King II. András in the rusade     (Page 13)

1226          Moys (leter the Palatine)   (camerarius) of Bela princess, main steward of Somogy and Varasd  (Page 151)

1251          Moys was (agazo; agasonum regalium magister), who is one of  ancestors of  Family  (Page 207)

1254          Moys was (agazo; agasonum regalium magister), who is main steward of Győr  (Page 207)

1260         Moys is the (camerarius) of Bela princess, who is one ancestor of  Family Dárói ( died in year 1280). He is main steward of Somogy and  Varasd (Page 206).

1269 /partly/ is the Palatin Moys the son of Moys past Palatines. Thy are two ancestors of Family Dárói   (Page 199)

1270           is the Palatin Moys  the main steward of Sopron   (Page 199)

Wein Sarolta (talk) 08:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Clearly hungarian person
I would like to dispute the claim that he was a "clearly Hungarian person" as Hobartimus is claiming in the edit summaries, a brief look at the family tree shows, that he was son of Gertrude of Merania and grandson of Agnes_of_Antioch, therefore this claim is mistaken. Not to mention that no nation in the modern (and German) sense of the word existed in the 13th century. Wladthemlat (talk) 15:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * He was a direct descendent of Árpád, I don't know how could anyone get more Hungarian than that and being the legitimate King of Hungary, and 'second founder of Hungary' also I would think help him a little. Of course in the context being Hungarian it's not really a blood related thing (where you have to have certain % of ancestors, that's another system...) but more of a common sense circumstance as well. But I guess that phrasing depends somewhat on good faith (meaning reasonable people wouldn't start questioning clearly Slovak, or Hungarian persons, would make them fit the definition of "clearly". So if you want to dispute it, you can of course, in that case, or if he was a clearly Slovak person the order would change to Slovakname (Hungarianname) at the first occurance and Slovakname the following times a name appears. Hobartimus (talk) 17:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

facts related to the battles with the Mongols are erroneous
Bela could only lead a "small army" at Mohi?? NOPE. The combined Cuman-Hungarian force was quite large and was almost wiped out to the last man. Also, the Mongols left the area because Batu and Subedai had to attend the kuraltai that was called in Mongolia following the death of the Great Khan Ogedai; to think that they were militarily defeated is complete nonsense. The Mongols devastated Hungary and that part of the Balkans that they entered. They were about to take Vienna when the word arrived that they had to return to Mongolia. I'll correct these problems in the article later in the week via Reliable Sources. HammerFilmFan (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan

His legacy
I remember someone asking for a translation of the inscription:
 * Behold something dear: Three surround the altar of the Virgin:
 * A king, a duke and a queen. Let threefold joys be with them.
 * While it was granted, while your sway, King Béla, was strong,
 * Fraud hid away, peace was firm, integrity reigned.

The meter of the Latin text is hexametric, with internal rhymes. Feel free to polish up my translation and insert it in the article if appropriate. Dumbox (talk) 08:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Pro-Euro Conservative Party

Untitled
The reason "Pro" is so unpopular is because it forms the word "pro-euro". - Ben Gray

something's wrong here
Highest share of the vote since the 1983 general election? If I remember correctly, the tories got a higher share of the vote in 1987

cite needed

 * "This was despite a campaign in which the BBC was shown as giving equal coverage with the Pro-Euro Conservative Party as they did to the Conservative Party, and that a number of candidates were shown to be from other parties."

(a) we need a cite for this. I'm sure the Tory party made these claims, but we need to source it.

(b) what does the last part mean? "a number of candidates were shown to be from other parties" ??? Morwen - Talk 08:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've had a look and tried to make it a bit more neutral. Mpntod 19:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

News coverage archive
http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?q=%22Pro-Euro+Conservative+Party%22&btnG=Search&um=1&ned=uk&hl=en&scoring=a

JASpencer (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Merger with Lib Dems
I have removed the statement "Leader John Stevens called the Conservative Party under their then newly elected leader Iain Duncan Smith "a cancer of extremism and xenophobia". At least 25 of its claimed 500 members joined the Liberal Democrats" because it is not supported by the links.

The 25 figure seems to come from the website of Tunbridge Wells Lib Dems, but does not refer specifically to the Pro-Euro Conservatives. It includes people such as Emma Nicholson, who defected from Conservative to Lib Dem years before the Pro-Euro Conservatives were even created, and Bill Newton Dunn who was re-elected as a Conservative in 1999 and defected to Lib Dem in 2000, without being a member of the Pro-Euro Conservatives.

The other references refer to approximately 20 (including the leader) joining the Lib Dems and urging members and supporters to follow suit.Danfolkestone (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC).

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Schofield Pass

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 * Schofield Pass (Colorado)
 * Schofield Pass (Wyoming), a mountain pass in Wyoming

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Halcyon Castle

Halcyon Castle (now called The Kovalam Palace) was built in 1932 in the princely state of Travancore, in the modern-day state of Kerala, India. It was constructed by M.R.Ry Sri Rama Varma Valiya Koil Thampuran, the consort of Maharani Sethu Lakshmi Bayi, as a retreat for their family. In 1964 Valiya Koil Thampuran sold the entire property to the Government of India; since then it has been a luxury hotel. A dispute arose when the India Tourism Development Corporation (ITDC), which was running the hotel, sold it to a private hotel resort group. It has since then been taken under The Raviz Hotels and Resorts and been renovated and restored to its former glory.

Status
Ravi Pillai owns the hotel and the entire adjoining land area measuring around 65 acres; he has contracted with the Leela Hotel Group to manage the 5-Star hotel. It is a heritage palace that has been completely refurbished to maintain its original charm and is now available for guests.

Suites
The Palace has 4 suites named after the royal family and the goddesses after whom the queens were named. The four uber luxurious suites are coloured red, rusty orange, blue and green with a view of The Arabian sea from each of the rooms. The renovated palace has Murano Chandeliers and Mantellassi furnishings and has state of the art automation.

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Talk:Regulator Movement

Confusing
Wait, were the regulators the tax collectors, or the people against tax collectors? Seems to me that whoever was against tax collectors would be more likely to be Patriots --AW 20:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It's a little late for a reply, but the Regulators were pissed off at the tax collectors (mostly). But you see the catch with the Regulation is that the issue was power structure and representation in the North Carolina Assembly.  Due to the large county imbalance in the Assembly, eastern counties had much more representation in the Assembly than western counties.
 * As it turned out though, many of the colonial leaders in the Revolutionary War from North Carolina were in the Assembly, and were part of that entrenched power structure in the eastern part of the State. This sectionalism didn't really give way until the Constitutional Convention of 1839. –Pakman044 01:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Questionable edit
"In 1764, several thousand people from North Carolina, mainly from Orange, Anson, and Granville counties in the western region (that also included areas within present day Notheast Tennessee), were extremely dissatisfied with North Carolina officials whom they considered cruel, arbitrary, tyrannical and corrupt." (emphasis added)

I'm not really sure it's accurate to say that northeastern Tennessee was really involved. They had similar issues, but the primary phenomenon radiated from the past area of Orange, Anson, and Granville Counties (there was some activity I think in Charlotte too I think, but I don't remember)...which back then was pretty much was western North Carolina. I'm not going to revert this though because it's been nearly ten years since I last did any kind of research on this topic (and I more or less stuck to the Orange County components). –Pakman044 06:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

You are correct. The Proclamation Act of 1763 forbade white settlers from living or even traveling anywhere on the western side of the Appalachian Ridge...in theory anyway. Enforceability was to be left to only 7500 British troops. 98.16.44.16 (talk) 09:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The Proclamation of 1763 didn't stop settlement to the west, so that doesn't disprove the northeast Tennessee claim. Rather than saying "northeast Tennessee" it probably makes more sense to say "upper Holston Valley area", since the early settlement was in southwest Virginia as well as northeast Tennessee. I don't know whether the people here took part in the War of Regulation -- the area was only just beginning to attract settlers at the time of the war. One could argue that there was at least a connection between the Regulator movement and the upper Holston Valley. The book A History of Appalachia has a few passages on the topic that suggest a connection.

 * One passage: Significant settlement in the Watauga area and the upper Holston Valley had begun in 1768 after the Treaty of Hard Labor secured the area. Persons moving down the Great Valley of Virginia had built substantial settlements on the upper Holston by 1772. A number of those who came to the Watauga and upper Holston area were upcountry yeomen who had participated in the Regulator Movement, a protest movement of Yadkin-area farmers who had been defeated ... at the Battle of Alamance in May of 1771. And a second passage: The Regulator Movement (1767-1771) was particularly closely associated with Appalachian settlement, for it as the Scotch-Irish and German settlers who had migrated down the Valley of Virginia and then out of the mountains down the Roanoke River into the Yadkin country, who formed the backbone of the Regulators.

 * While neither passage indicates that settlers of the Holston/Watauga area journeyed east to fight. It sounds more like the migration pattern down the Valley of Virginia (Shenandoah, New River Valley, Holston Valley) had settled the Yadkin area first and only after the Regulation Movement collapsed (or just barely before) did the pattern include settlement in the upper Holston and Watauga areas. It's not impossible that people from what is now northeast Tennessee took part in the Battle of Alamance, but even if they did they must have been few in number. A more likely relationship, it seems to me, is that some people who had only recently settled the Yadkin area, joined the Regulator Movement only to be defeated, decided to move west, joining the more recently arriving kith and kin coming down the Great Valley directly into Tennessee. (of course, this book could have it all wrong too!) Anyway, I just wanted to add these comments. I agree with the removal of the northeast Tennessee claim. If nothing else, it seems like the kind of claim that needs a reference citation to stand. Pfly (talk) 07:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Good research, good response. My main objections start with the beginning of the sentence "In 1764,...". The timing is all wrong for any kind of inclusion of Tennesee settlers into this fight. It would need a citation to support it as you point out. Why do I object?..because I believe the author has confused regional ties with that area that occurred after the fact. Every reference that I have found about Tennessee (with regard to the War of Regulation/ Battle of Alamance) occurs after the Battle in 1771. The Watauga Association doesn't occur until afterwards. Hence, there is no foundation for a 1764 claim. Additionally, I don't believe anyone from that region came down for the Battle...wikipedia has been the only reference that I have seen so far to make that claim. Can someone name a source?69.69.213.157 (talk) 19:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

 * More on the Proclamation Act of 1763. You are correct in that it didn't stop western settlement, that is why I said "...in theory, anyway"...but I believe that it created a new western boundary for the jurisdiction of the office of governor for the Province of North Carolina. No land claims west of the Proclamation line were recognized and therefore the individuals weren't subject to the Governor or taxes in the conventional sense. They were by theory, however, subject to having their pockets rolled out and having to pay duties for whatever they transported with them every time they crossed the Proclamation Line. But what grievances would they have against Tryon and other NC Officials? The Proclamation had been royal and this money wasn't to flow through the Governor's hands. 98.16.44.16 (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

All preceding IP addresses in this section were written by me...have new login. Any way to get them associated to my user handle?Berean Hunter (talk) 01:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the article lacks any references (inline or otherwise). The extensive list at the end is what I would expect from a high school student who was required to have a certain number of references. It has been three years since the lack of references was mentioned. This is one of the reasons Wikipedia has gotten a bad reputation. CaptBlackEagle (talk) 21:17, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

State Militia?
Under causes is the sentence "Ultimately they brought in state militia to crush the rebellion, and then hanged their leaders" (emphasis added).

Was there truly a state militia in colonial North Carolina?

Snowgen (talk) 19:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

unsupported claim
I took out this claim:

''Judge Richard Henderson condemned the six captured Regulators to death. ''

Because, having looking at the reference cited I see no such claim. Perhaps it is the late and I am bleary eyed and not seeing it. But it took to me like there there is nothing on the pages numbers mentioned to support this claim. Please correct me if I am wrong. It is late, as I said. Pfly (talk) 05:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Possible vandalism or typo?
In the "causes" section, it has the date 8787. Does anyone know the correct date to change it to?USMonarchist2008 (talk) 23:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Name
Why did they call themselves Regulators? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.38.222 (talk) 16:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm curious about this too. In particular, I'd like to know the relation between the use of the name "Regulators" for a band of armed civilians opposed to the government, and the phrase "well-regulated militia" in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Was "regulation" a synonym for "vigilantism" in the 18th century? 167.206.122.66 (talk) 16:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Vigilantism doesn't relate to either. And regulators is in no way related to the Second Amendment prefatory clause. The Regulators' Wars were a resistance to what the Regulators saw as systematic tyrannical acts. Vigilantism refers generally to summery acts against criminality in the absence of legal framework. Wars of Regulation were not so much about absence of legal framework or law enforcement but about perversion of legal framework enforcement. The term "well-regulated" was never used at the time for government regulation in the sense we use the term today. The scholarly consensus, and hundred of examples from the time show 'well regulated" meant: well working. A water wheel, a plow, a clock, etc could be described as "well regulated."In that sense it makes sense is a "prefatory clause." I.e. one of the reasons for the right. One must always consider that the Second Amendment main "operational" clause is "the right of the people." There are a couple dozen instances in various state constitutions, and even more general legal writing of the time, that used prefatory clauses for rights related to speech, assembly, warrants etc where a prefatory clause is used. It was a common legal language structure in the era.  We do know in the state constitutions, and the US Constitution, "the people" was never used to mean a collective or government right, never a right reserved to a government (colonial, federal, state or local) but always referred to a right of the individual. We do know "the people" in the various state constitutions was not used to mean the "body" of the people such as a Soviet style constitution, but rather used to mean the individual.
 * For example the 19th century Rhode Island constitution states: The liberty of the press being essential to the security of freedom in a state, any person may publish his sentiments on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty ...
 * The fact that "the press", meant today as a profession is mentioned in the prefatory clause, doesn't not limit the right it to members of the press as the operative clause following it recognizes the right to all people. there are dozens of such examples of colonial and post colonial prefatory clauses state one of the reasons for the operative clause, but where the prefatory clause is not a limit to the operative clause.
 * I found a very good explanation of all this in the NYU Law Review (one of the most well regarded legal journals in the US) here: https://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.pdf N34B2 (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

= Second Amendment=

Is there any relation to the "well regulated militia" in the second amendment?
 * No. "Well regulated" was not used at the time to mean government regulated, but rather well working. "Well regulated" in the Second Amendment is a "prefatory clause" anyway, ie used in the language at the time to mean one of the reasons, not the exclusive reason for a right. EG for example Rhode Island state constitution stating "The liberty of the press being essential to the security of freedom in a state, any person may publish his sentiments on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty" does not mean the right to making a contention in writing only applied to members of the professional press. N34B2 (talk) 16:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

change title to Regulator movement in North Carolina
South Carolina has an entirely separate and different movement --they also called it "regulator". I created a new article on "Regulator movement in South Carolina" and moved most of the relevant text over there. To minimize confusion I recommend renaming this article "Regulator Movement in North Carolina." -- any comments? Rjensen (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Regulator Movement


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Finnish minelayer Pohjanmaa

Pohjanmaa is a former minelayer of the Finnish Navy. The sole member of her class, she was the flagship of the Finnish Navy as well as the largest naval ship in service in Finland until 2013. The ship has a Finnish-Swedish ice class 1A so she can operate all year round. During a crisis, the main task for Pohjanmaa would have been mine laying and acting as a command ship. She also acted as a school ship for the Naval Academy cadets. Part of their training includes an annual cruise abroad.

The 34-year-old Pohjanmaa was scheduled for decommissioning in late 2013. In October 2013, minelayer Hämeenmaa-class minelayer took over the role of flagship of the Finnish Navy.

Pohjanmaa was sold to the Finnish company Meritaito in 2016 and refitted as a survey vessel. She was renamed Pohjanmeri, Finnish for the North Sea.

History
Pohjanmaa was built in 1979 at the Wärtsilä Helsinki Shipyard, Finland. Her initial main armament consisted of a Bofors 120 mm Automatic Gun L/46.

Pohjanmaa first served as a school ship for the Naval Academy until 1992 when she was transferred to the Gulf of Finland Fleet (Now called Gulf of Finland Naval Command). When she was completed, she replaced the minelayer Ruotsinsalmi and as a school ship, Matti Kurki. On 10 May 1982, she was given the traditional shield of ocean faring vessels previously held by Suomen Joutsen, so in effect Pohjanmaa continues the tradition of the three ships. The ship underwent a heavy modernization program in 1996–1998, which included a replacing her Bofors 120 mm L/46 main gun with a more modern dual-purpose Bofors 57 mm Naval Automatic Gun L/70.

The annual training cruise for the cadets has taken the ship as far as Belém, Brazil. The accommodation capacity of the vessel for the long range cruises can be increased with accommodation containers.

On 28 June 2005, as part of their cruise, Pohjanmaa participated in the International Fleet Review which is a part of the Trafalgar 200 celebrations.

In 2007, the ship was refitted together with the Hämeenmaa-class minelayers and her colour scheme changed from camouflage to light grey. Her second aft gun was also removed from the aft deck due to narrow shooting sectors, which were even further narrowed due to a new bigger hydraulic crane of a new seaboat.

In 2010, it was decided that the Pohjanmaa would participate in Operation Atalanta in 2011. On 6 April 2011, Pohjanmaa captured a vessel suspected as pirate mothership along with two speedboats. The search onboard revealed assault rifles, RPGs and other weapons. Eighteen of the suspected pirates were incarcerated onboard Pohjanmaa. Since the Prosecutor General of Finland decided not to prosecute, the pirates were transferred to the jurisdiction of Operation Atalanta, which later released the pirates. The pirate ship and the speedboats were scuttled at sea.

Naming
Pohjanmaa was christened on 8 June 1979 by Aili Haapkylä. The name comes from the Swedish-built pojamas of the 1770s — see "Pohjanmaa (disambiguation)" for other uses of the name.

The vessel has been nicknamed Puuhamaa by the Finnish Navy conscripts after the Finnish amusement park.

Replacement
Despite modernizations, the over 30-year-old Pohjanmaa reached the end of her operational lifespan in the mid-2010s and the minelayer was decommissioned in late 2013. She will be replaced by the next generation's surface combatant, bigger than the current missile boats and more capable for international co-operation. In addition to Pohjanmaa, the new class of multi-purpose naval vessels—dubbed MTA2020 (Monitoimialus 2020) in the preliminary papers—is intended to replace also Hämeenmaa-class minelayers and Rauma-class missile boats as they are retired.

When Pohjanmaa was decommissioned, it was stated that the vessel would be either sold or scrapped if a sufficient buyer is not found. In September 2013, it was reported that the Estonian Navy was interested in purchasing the vessel. However, it was later reported that Estonia decided not to purchase the vessel. Some interest was also expressed by the Croatian Navy whose representatives even came to Finland to inspect the vessel. The Finnish towing and salvage company Alfons Håkans also offered to buy the vessel, but was declined.

On 18 December 2015, it was announced that Pohjanmaa would be sold for scrap. The vessel would be broken up in Finland and the operation, which was expected to begin in March 2016, would cost about 248,100 euro. The engines and some equipment would be sold to cover part of the expenses. However, in March 2016 it was reported that the scrapping has been cancelled and the vessel will be sold to Meritaito, the Finnish state-owned shipping company that owns and operates fairway support vessels. The vessel was stripped of her armament and converted to a survey vessel at Western Shipyard in Salo, Finland, according to plans drawn by the Finnish design company ILS Oy.

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Taylor Pass

Taylor Pass may be one of the following:

Mountain passes

 * Taylor Pass (Alberta) – a pass in Banff National Park, Alberta, Canada
 * Taylor Pass (British Columbia) – a pass in the Chilcotin Ranges of British Columbia, Canada
 * Taylor Pass (Arizona) – a pass in Graham County, Arizona, United States
 * Taylor Pass (Colorado) – a pass in the Elk Mountains of Colorado, United States

Waterways

 * Taylor Pass (Louisiana) – a river channel in Louisiana, United States

title: Taylor Pass


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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/El C

El C
final (44/9/0) ending 18:22, 1 May 2005 (UTC) (UTC)

It is with some wry satisfaction, but with a very good conscience that I nominate El C: he has shown himself very apprehensive to signs of hierarchy within the wiki, reminding us that admins are charged with enforcing policy, but not with making it up as they go along, and I would very much like to have him continue representing this point of view on the other side of the fence (except that I hope there isn't really a fence). He has >2400 edits (some 600 of which to article space); he is doing maintenance work, shows strong community involvement anf good humour, and has proven himself cool and competent. I am a bit surprised that less than a quarter of his edits should be to article space, but I guess that shows he talks first and reverts later, which is as it should be — dab (ᛏ) 18:22, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Candidate please indicate acceptance of the nomination here

Thank you dab, I accept. Wrt to number of edits to the article namespace, my edits are often sizable, unlike more conversational 'comments,' and I lean more towards authoring new articles and total rewrites rather than more incremental edits (e.g. ), undoubtedly a factor in what already is considerable opposition. I am so (not) going to win! El_C 02:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * finally someone who knows where the preview button is! (I confess half of my edits must be due to typos :) dab (ᛏ)

Support
 * 1) dab (ᛏ) 18:25, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Calm, even-handed, thoughtful — how could I not support? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:45, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Strong support. El C is one of our most knowledgeable editors: funny, smart, reasonable, and civil, always willing to listen to the other side of an argument. He'll make a great admin. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:49, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) —Charles P. (Mirv) 19:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) M e r o v i n g i a n  (t) (c) 03:38, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Strong support. A very good, evenhanded editor.Grace Note 03:57, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Willmcw 04:31, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Suuport. Good and experienced user. Sjakkalle 07:40, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Support-JCarriker 09:53, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Support - Anilocra 13:23, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Support →Iñgōlemo←   talk  15:06, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)
 * 12) Support. In terms of ideology, El C and I aren't on the same page, but I have the highest respect for his personal integrity. Mackensen (talk) 15:18, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) Yes, with pleasure. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:26, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Support. I see knowledgeable editor with stamina to clean up topics after POV pushers. Pavel Vozenilek 17:48, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Support - I only all admins had his committment to integrity. String support. --Zappaz 17:54, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Full support. Andre ( talk ) 19:53, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Support he might be a Commie who likes Che, however, I'll overlook it :)--198 02:56, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) Acegikmo1 04:38, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) Lupo 06:26, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) iViva la revolution!Comrade!--Jondel 09:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) We need more admins who are willing to ask "Quis custodiet?"; Support  Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 10:32, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Cool. JuntungWu 11:59, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) Support.  Reasonable, thoughtful, and humorous, though I believe his cat is doing all the editing. -- M P er el ( talk 15:27, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * 24) Kbdank71 17:03, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 25) Support. --Chammy Koala 19:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 26) Support Viajero 19:25, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 27) Competent and contributive editor, so support. Radiant_* 08:16, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 28) Support.  Guettarda 16:15, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 29) Support.  Calm and knowledgeable editor.  Though his views tend to significantly differ from my own, resulting in disgreements over article content, his responses are always thoughtful.  In my view will make good use of admin powers. Jayjg (talk)  17:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 30) Support.  Shows evidence of community involvement, restraint, and a willingness to talk out problems.  Good sense of humor, too.  No reason to oppose.  Kelly Martin 17:24, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 31) Support. A good-humoured contributor and worthy of the mop and bucket. His cat will keep him in line. — Trilobite (Talk) 17:46, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 32) Support. Solid, genuine contributor. I've been impressed by his work. Tim Rhymeless  (Er...let's shimmy)  02:31, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 33) Support ...  — MikeX (talk) 07:44, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 34) Strongly Support He is incredibly knowledgeable — wide-ranging and often deep, exactly the kind of contributor we want. Just as important, I have seen him bend over backwards to avoid POV edit-wars, and to work well with others.  I know that there are some who do not like his "point of view."  I can't say I have followed all of his edits, but anything I have been involved in, including a number where he and I disagreed, he always had facts to support his position, while always taking my views (and evidence) seriously. Slrubenstein   |  Talk  20:59, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 35) Support. I'm impressed by his edits, and he seems to stay cool. (I comment below on an exception.) -- Hoary 04:08, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)
 * 36) Support. --Viriditas | Talk 05:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 37) Strong Support FeloniousMonk 16:17, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 38) Support.--Bishonen | talk 19:43, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 39) Support I was very glad to have his help in a certain long-running dispute that I strayed into;  that and his cautious stance on hierarchy greatly commends his nomination to me.  Alai 01:30, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 40) Support. I am impressed by the support of good editors who have views significantly different from his. That says a lot. Jonathunder 02:17, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)
 * 41) Support Danny 03:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 42) Support wholeheartedly. All my dealings with him have proven to me not only his erudition and dedication to Wikipedia but also his reasonableness and willingness to work to solve disputes. Wally 10:27, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 43) Support. Very knowledgable and keeps his cool despite working in areas of Wikipedia that are more like jungles.  An excellent choice of admin. --Zero 12:02, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 44) Support.  Opinionated--which is good.  Listens and responds to the opposition--which is very good.  Cool and waits even when he does not get his way--which is very, very good.  ---Rednblu | Talk 21:05, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) BLANKFAZE | (что??) 18:39, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) See Talk page. Sam Spade 23:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Surely you jest. RickK 23:38, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Rick, you're a widely respected editor, whose views many listen to. Would you mind explaining your opposition to El C? Is it based in anything in particular? Grace Note 03:57, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I also think it is customary to give a brief reason for opposition, if only to let the nominee know why he is considered unfit for adminship. dab (ᛏ)
 * 1) A.D.H. (t&m) 05:17, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) *Please give at least a brief explanation for your opposition. Not doing so is discourteous and offers the nominee no clue as to what they need to do to improve. — Trilobite (Talk) 17:46, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Decent enough user, good edits, but a bit too much of a POV pusher to become an Admin. TDC 17:57, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you mean, in a way that damaged the NPOV of an article? Can you provide an example or two? Slrubenstein  |  Talk  20:59, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Talk:Socialism for one. Be careful of your formatting btw, you mixed up the vote count. Thanx, Sam Spade 21:20, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * What's significant is that SS must honestly believe that the exchange to which he links shows El C rather than himself in a bad light. Astonishing. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:56, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Only an old hand at fallacious rhetoric such as yourself would find a request of sources for far reaching claims "Astonishing". Sam Spade 22:03, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Sam, do you really need to make an ad hominem personal attack on another user to support your point? You should know that on the contrary, it weakens it. Slrubenstein   |  Talk  22:14, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It would appear you could do to review ad hominem, your opinion of me and my conduct should have no bearing on your evaluation of my argument, and your attempt to correlate the two is a classic ad hominem fallacy. My apologies if your trying to be ironic. Please watch the formatting btw. Sam Spade 22:18, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) IMHO, El C still needs more experience working in this community. only 648 edits to articles - and almost more edits to user talk pages than edits in articles. also, I am not impressed with how El C acts in pressure situations. Maybe I'll support at a later date. Kingturtle 17:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Change vote. ugen 64 23:58, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) *Why? — Trilobite (Talk) 01:39, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose. I'm little hesitant to oppose because El C has some very good contributions to articles and is always civil, but reviewing his old dialogue with Shorne (all that Comrade nonsense) and other supportive comments about egregious left-wing POV-pushers leaved a bad impression. I'm afraid El C could became a troll-friendly admin. jni 08:13, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) *I can't imagine he would be a POV pusher or Troll-friendly considering Jayjg has voted support even whilest admitting "his views tend to significantly differ from my own." If he was a POV pusher, a lot of the people supporting him wouldn't have. Sometimes it's good to remember that what you read isn't the whole story. --Chammy Koala 09:33, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) **I'd like to second Chammy Koala's comment. My experience of El C is that he goes with what he sees as the best argument at the time and is always open to persuasion. I've disagreed with him a few times but have come to respect him a great deal because he's so reasonable. As for being troll-friendly, El C respects Wikipedia's policy and goals too much for that. SlimVirgin (talk) 09:50, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) ***Oh? See User talk:GrazingshipIV -, User:Shorne - User_talk:Shorne - , etc... Sam Spade  19:18, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) ****I honestly can't see anything in there that shows otherwise, Sam. Those pages seem to show El C arguing in favor of intellectual honesty, civility, and sticking to policy. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:22, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) ****I recall the dust-up with Shorne quite well, and I remember that El C was a voice of reason even when things became quite heated. Mackensen (talk) 21:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Oppose. PedanticallySpeaking 18:25, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Neutral

Comments
 * El C currently has 2472 total edits: 648/630 to articles/talk, 93/615 to User/talk, 322/76 to Wikipedia/talk, and 87/1 to Image/talk. —Korath (Talk) 21:46, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Neat, I did not know that (Kate's tools just aggragates everything). How did you find this out, Korath? Oh and thank you for voting for me, against me, for me, against me, against, for! :) El_C 02:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It's sad that only one of the voters against has given a reason. A reason would not only be helpful to the candidate (and to other potential candidates), but would also show greater courtesy. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:38, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * ... and the "POV pusher" accusation from a user self-describing as "banned from too many chat rooms to mention" who sees WP as "an opportunity to persuade" :o) I think I can only infer ElC's alleged pushed pov indirectly, judging bythe corner the opposition seems to hail from... dab (ᛏ) 20:56, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Since you insist, here you are. Sam Spade 20:49, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I would just like to say, if I might, that this is really awful form, Sam. You posted a hostile message on my talk page berating not only myself but El_C as well for issues that were and continue to be far out of our control, after refusing to accept any of the proposed remedies for it, and then you complained to the AMA Coordinator about the fact, and now you have the nerve to cite my request that you cease spewing such negativity (and El_C's support of it) as reason that he's somehow unsuitable to be an administrator? Strangely you seem never to have the same objections to yourself. Wally 10:27, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, actually it was the others I was thinking of; I realised that with you it was personal. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:16, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

El C quotes

 * "At any rate, dear readres, bitter foes, and well-wishers, Let the record state that, in fact, I could not give a flying fuck about what is in my best interests right now."

 * It might be worth noting that El C posted the above shortly after taking medication in connection with some oral surgery he was due to have, and was writing under its influence. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:46, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * A useful bit of information — though in any case I can't see what relevance either quotation has to a vote against his adminship. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:03, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * we don't deny adminship on the grounds that a user has an opinion. We do deny it in cases of aggressive pov pushing, edit-warring, disruption or otherwise erratic behaviour. El C was involved in very controversial articles, pov-crusader-magnets I don't even go near for my peace of mind. So yes, he was involved in disputes, and didn't just walk away when he was attacked. I still have to see evidence that he acted insincerely, vicious, unfair or outside policy. I'm not saying he didn't since I didn't follow him around, but so far opposition seems entirely based on the fact that he was involved in disputes, necessarily on the "wrong" side in the eyes of some. dab (ᛏ) 07:17, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Please note that it's his own interests (and not, say, the interests of WP) about which El C professes not to give a flying fuck. Taken literally, this is an expression of an entirely admirable disinterestedness, and thus very praiseworthy. But of course it's not only that: "I could not give a flying fuck about" is hardly polite conversation. Well, it's his own page; one needn't be so polite on one's own page, and certainly there is (or should be) no obligation always to be polite there. -- Hoary 04:08, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

 * "I don't hate my political opponents, I pitty them"
 * You'd prefer it, perhaps, if he hated them? The only reason here not to support is the spelling! Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]

Questions for the candidate A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)

A. Until a few months ago, I could'nt have seen myself accepting such a nomination —it isn't of any use for me in what I do here (and what do I do here? Not that much, in fact)— but since I began my rewrite of African countries leads, my watchlist has seen quite a bit of vandalism (moreover, it often is not reverted in what I find to be timely enough fashion. Note the 5 hrs it took to revert the vandalism for the Republic of Chad, for example). So, the admin vandalism tools would be convinient, though I realize many don't find that to be sufficient grounds for a successful RFA, that's all I got. El_C 02:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

A. Currently, I am pleased with my African countries lead paragraph project. It amazed me that some countries (such as the Republic of Guinea, the Republic of Mali, and others barely had an opening sentence, let alone a paragraph). I am also pleased with the The Destruction of the European Jews, which I am sole author of but far from sole contributor to, and I wish to take this moment to thank everyone who edited that article for their patience and support. An earlier, more brief article I'm pleased with is the Kahan Commission. It certainly needs expansion, but it could have been a POV magnet, and I'm pleased to have layed a neutral enough basis for future revisions. These examples, as well as others, and I think (if I could boast), the vast majority of all substantive edits made by me to the namespace, unlike my more controversial views in the realm of policy discussions and article talk, have been retained by the community at large with little effort on my part. Which is encouraging. El_C 02:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future?

A. Invariably, it's a part of editing the controversial areas that I oftentimes focus on (the Arab-Israeli conflict, political and economic history and theory, and others). While winning this nomination seems unlikely now, in light of the size of my opposition versus supporters, I am pleased I can have an opportunity to address these issues with them in mind. I believe that those who oppose my nomination have genuine grievences and that their opposition is based on rational considerations. It shows from their diverse composition especially, that I have not been the model contributor I thought I was. And perhaps this could serve for me as a chance to critically reflect about the goals of the project and how I could expend my energy most suitably towards those with the limited time I can spare to editing on a day-to-day basis. The short answer, then, is that I don't seek conflict (in fact, I do try to avoid it when possible), but at the same time, nor do I shy from it whenever I find it of import to adopt a position on an issue. Whether here or elsewhere, I will continue to try my best in inter-personal interactions (and inter-editorial collaboration), I will undoubtedly err, but will remain open to constructive criticism about anything whatsoever (including but not limited to my ability to take criticism). Here, and in life. El_C 02:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Clubbed to Death

Clubbed to Death may refer to any of the following things:

 * "Clubbed to Death" (instrumental), a track on Rob Dougan's album Furious Angels, featured in the soundtrack of The Matrix
 * Clubbed to Death (film), a 1997 French film starring Élodie Bouchez
 * Clubbed to Death, an album by The Stranglers
 * Clubbed to Death, an Edinburgh-based band on Benbecula Records

title: Clubbed to Death


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John Smart

John Smart (1 May 1741 – 1 May 1811), was an English painter of portrait miniatures. He was a contemporary of Richard Cosway, George Engleheart, William Wood and Richard Crosse.

Biography
Smart was born in Norfolk, but not much is known of his early life. It is recorded that in 1755 he was runner up to Richard Cosway in a drawing competition for under-14s held by the Society for the Encouragement of Arts, Manufactures and Commerce. In the same year he began attending the new drawing school of William Shipley in London, along with Cosway and Richard Crosse.

He exhibited at the Society of Artists, in London, from 1762 onwards; and became its president in 1778. He went to India in 1788 and obtained a number of commissions in that country. He settled down in London in 1797, latterly in Fitzroy Street, and died there in 1811.

He was a man of simple habits, and a member of the Society of Sandemanians.

Work
Smart mainly painted watercolour miniatures on ivory, and often clearly signed and dated his work. A number of his preparatory drawings and sketches survive.

His work is entirely different from that of Cosway, quiet and grey in its colouring, with the flesh tints elaborated with much subtlety and modelled in exquisite fashion. He possessed a great knowledge of anatomy, and his portraits are drawn with greater anatomical accuracy and possess more distinction than those of any miniature painter of his time.

The most important collection of Smart's work was given by John W. and Martha Jane Phillips Starr to the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art. The Starr collection includes a signed and dated miniature for each year of Smart's career, from 1760 to 1811, enabling scholars to view the full progression of Smart's style and technique as well as the changing fashions of the period.

Many of his pencil drawings still exist in the possession of the descendants of a great friend of his only sister. Several of his miniatures are in Australia and belong to a cadet branch of the family.

Smart taught portrait painting to Isabella Beetham, who was one of Britain's finest silhouette artists in the 18th century.

Personal life
Smart married Edith Vere, and is believed to have had only one son, who died in Madras in 1809.

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Slok Air International

Slok Air International (Gambia) Ltd was a scheduled passenger airline registered in Gambia. Its main base was at Banjul International Airport in Banjul, the Gambia.

Slok Air and Slok Air Gambia
Slok Air International was founded in Nigeria by the Slok Group.

Service was halted in the end of December 2007 due to maintenance and was resumed mid-February 2008, but by July published reports described financial difficulties with the airline, which continued into the autumn of 2008 with creditors filling lawsuits against the firm, seeking payments. By the end of October 2008, despite any formal announcement, press release, or news report, it was no longer possible to book flights with the airline, which had stopped flying.

Slok Air International
Once again, the airline was renamed to Slok Air International in early 2009. Flights re-commenced in February of the same year.

Destinations

 * Côte d'Ivoire
 * Abidjan (Port Bouet Airport)
 * The Gambia
 * Banjul (Banjul International Airport)
 * Ghana
 * Accra (Kotoka International Airport)
 * Guinea
 * Conakry (Conakry International Airport)
 * Liberia
 * Monrovia (Roberts International Airport)
 * Mali
 * Bamako (Senou International Airport)
 * Senegal
 * Dakar (Dakar-Yoff-Léopold Sédar Senghor International Airport)
 * Sierra Leone
 * Freetown (Lungi International Airport)

Fleet
The Slok Air International fleet consisted of the following aircraft:

 * 6 Boeing 737-200 (only 1 used for scheduled services)

title: Slok Air International