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Talk:Daniel Brière

"World U18 Championships" in medal record
And Ivan Hlinka are different events. The World U118 Championship is the IIHF event. The World U18 Cup iis now the Ivan Hlinka Memorial and it's not an IIHF event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.233.107.169 (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Jean-Pierre Dumont
I removed the last sentence of the article since J-P Dumont has *not* been re-signed by the Buffalo Sabres. GM Darcy Reiger has stated he's given Dumont an offer but he's not been re-signed by the Sabres (as much as I'd like him to). Neither Yahoo!, TSN or the Sabres' official web site documents a Dumont signing by Buffalo, so whomever posted that sentence please give a source before putting it back. -RomeW

French OR English wik biography?
The main title should be 'Daniel Briere'. This is the English Wikipedia not the French. GoodDay 20:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Cookie Monster
This nickname is a relatively recent one.

After a Feb 6th, 2007 win over the Atlanta Thrashers, Buffalo Sabres announcer Rick Jeanerette called DB "Cookie Monster'. It was homage to the location of DB's goals---'top shelf where momma hides the cookies'.

I'll use this source. --4.239.168.189 18:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Playing Career
This section of Briere's entry is rather sparse; there's no mention of how he came to the Sabres, and I'm sure there is other information missing. I don't know a lot about Briere (just happened to come across this because I'm watching the Islanders/Flyers game), so maybe someone who knows more than I do could flesh this out a bit? Phaded 00:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Winnipeg Jets
Has he ever actually played for the Winnipeg Jets or is this team just in the list as it was changed to the Phoenix Coyotes? If there is no answer I will remove the Jets from the list of teams he has played with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghyslyn (talk • contribs) 01:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, he never played for the Jets. I nixed it.  V-train (talk) 02:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He didn't play for the Jets, but he was drafted in June 1996. Was he officially drafted by the Jets or the Coyotes?  rkehler3 (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The YouTube video titled "Chris Phillips Drafted by the Ottawa Senators June 22, 1996" clearly shows Phoenix 11th on the draft board approximately 2:40 into the video. He was officially drafted as a Coyote. --Parkfly3 (talk) 06:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Briere: Forever Young
So, I yust saw a video on Youtube, and I can't help but wonder. Is Briere really that young? 24.87.56.142 (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Common name
Danny Briere has slightly over 2 million more Google hits than Daniel Briere. And since the official website lists him as Danny, shouldn't this page be located at Danny Brière? --Izzygood (talk) 01:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

June 2013 - Agree with above.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdjd021 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC) It seems that Danny's name is a huge issue on this page. I myself just tried moving it to "Danny Brière", and Wiki would not let me. Let me just say this... His public NHL name is Danny, just as Stefani Germanotta's public Hollywood name is Lady Gaga. Simple as that. Germanotta's page title is "Lady Gaga", just as Daniel Brière's page title should be "Danny Brière". It's not his "nick name". If you don't watch or follow Brière's career, you shouldn't be on this page. So whoever mentioned "nick names" is just clogging up space.

OFFICIAL scoresheets straight from the NHL website (Event Summaries, Faceoffs Reports, Time On-Ice Reports, Roster Reports, and Shot Reports - all the sheets that include players' first names) list him as either "DANNY BRIERE" or "BRIERE, DANNY". And again, let's not forget about how his name appears on his profile pages on flyers.nhl.com, nhl.com. hockey-reference.com, espn.com, sports.yahoo.com, and sports.yahoo.com/fantasy - all of those sites have it as "Danny" on not only his profile page, but also on the team roster list. #DannyNotDaniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdjd021 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

 * An update: During an interview that aired on the Flyers broadcast prior to last night's Flyers/Canadiens game, Briere said he has gone back to Daniel because Danny is difficult to say in French (I have no idea if there is anything to that). It was also pointed out that he was known as Danny throughout his entire six seasons as a Flyer by his choice. --72.25.41.35 (talk) 08:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Requested move
''Please note that this request is not about changing the use of diacritics; it's about whether to use "Daniel" or "Danny". Hey Mid  (contribs) 15:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)''

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Daniel Brière → Danny Brière – Relisted — and I'll be tempted to block the next person who mentions diacritics! Favonian (talk) 19:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC) It seems to me that he is commonly called Danny. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He's also commonly called "Briere", and that's what it says on his jersey. However, I think we should avoid nicknames unless they're used almost exclusively, so I would prefer a move to Daniel Briere.  Powers T 16:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A move to "Daniel Briere" would violate the longstanding compromise at WP:HOCKEY, which says that diacritics are kept on player pages. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rubbish. There is no such compromise. Dolovis (talk) 03:56, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, there is. Check here. Anyway, this discussion is about "Daniel" or "Danny". HandsomeFella (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Also, what would be the point in calling a person Briere if his name is Brière? You can't hear the spelling, can you? It's like a person by the name Neil was called Neal. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As a "compromise", it's plainly absurd, which is obvious just from looking at the letters on the back of any North American hockey player's jersey. Powers T 17:42, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If you don't like the word "compromise", call it concensus then, because that's what it is. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatever you want to call it, I'm opposed to it. Is there anything else you'd like to harass me about?  Powers T 21:24, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The diacritic isn't up for debate here. Whether this page should be moved to Danny Brière is. Stay on topic or go elsewhere if you want to debate diacritics in player articles. On topic, 1) He is more commonly referred to as Danny (Danny Briere has two million more google hits than Daniel Briere, see the section directly above this one) and the player prefers to be called Danny (his NHL and NHLPA profiles lists him as Danny, a clear sign that he prefers to be called Danny). --Izzygood (talk) 01:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually if you are going to use the NHL and NHLPA as sources to make a point, then the diacritic issue is on topic as both those official sources spell his name "Danny Briere." You can't have it both ways. Either those sources don't count or they do count... it's not a halfway thing where you use them for half his name. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * According to WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format the last name should be Brière. I don't agree with including diacritics either, but that's the compromise they reached after many debates. If it bothers you so much take a look at the debates they had (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format). This requested move is about whether the first name should be Daniel or Danny, so let's not turn this into yet another diacritics debate when it really shouldn't be. --Izzygood (talk) 06:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying to use diacritics or not. I'm saying that since those two links are not considered legitimate sources for the last name then they cannot be considered legitimate sources for the first name. We can't have it both ways... it's hypocritical. List other sources for "Danny" that use his diacritic name to be a valid argument. That's all I'm saying. I hope that's a bit clearer. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They cannot be considered legitimate sources on diacritics, since they have a more or less official policy of ignoring them. That means that they have ruled themselves out, with regard to that issue. In (most) other cases they can be considered legitimate sources. Finally: stick to the subject: Daniel or Danny. HandsomeFella (talk) 19:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * NHL and NHLPA are not legitamate in regards to any portion of his name. Give legitimate sources that shows that Danny Brière is more proper than Daniel Brière. That's what is needed. Goodness. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't have a strong opinion on whether it should be Daniel or Danny. I've just noted that he's called Danny in a lot of places, and so maybe that is where the article should be at here. Maybe I should have stated that earlier. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * According to WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format the first name should be "Daniel". Powers T 13:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of instances of a hockey player article being located at the nickname, like Chico Resch and more fittingly in this instance, Bobby Clarke or Bobby Orr. They are more popularly known by those names and are thus located there. I think that policy is to avoid putting utterly inane nicknames like Bettsy for Blair Betts or Cartsy for Jeff Carter, locker room type nicknames that aren't widely used elsewhere, throughout the article. --Izzygood (talk) 02:01, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * More instances of player articles located at the nickname: Gordie Howe, Ted Kennedy and Sid Smith. HandsomeFella (talk) 07:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't disagree -- but if you're going to cite part of that page as inviolable, you have to give the same consideration to other parts of the page, too. If, on the other hand, you recognize that the nickname guidance is advisory only, then you have to grant that the diacritics guidance is likewise.  Powers T 13:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Except that this discussion is not about diacritics. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:33, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is. Because when I suggested removing them, you countered with a reason not to.  That sounds like a discussion to me.  Powers T 20:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure the closing admin will find your input here helpful in deciding whether or not to move Daniel Brière to Danny Brière. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support: per WP:COMMONNAME, the NHL, NHLPA, etc, etc. TerminalPreppie (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I oppose the move. Powers T 23:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support: per reasons stated above. --Izzygood (talk) 05:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Should be moved to Daniel Briere or Danny Briere per well established wiki-policy of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE. Dolovis (talk) 03:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it shouldn't. Those guidelines say nothing about diacritics in personal names, while WP:HOCKEY clearly states that diacritics should be kept on player pages. You've not learned anything, have you? That's why you still have a page move ban. Anyway, this is about whether it should be Daniel or Danny. HandsomeFella (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This request is not about changing use of diacritics in this article. Hey  Mid  (contribs) 15:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per common name of Daniel Brière. His nickname is Danny in Philly but outside Philly he is most commonly called Daniel. A quick search of google shows this to be true. -DJSasso (talk) 19:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A quick google search shows more hits for Danny Briere. If he were known as Danny just in Philly then why does NHL.com and NHLPA.com list him as Danny Briere? Add to that list ESPN, CBS, Yahoo, hockey-reference, legends of hockey, etc. --Izzygood (talk) 23:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A number of the sources you list actually use Daniel. His Yahoo profile for example. The NHL.com lists him as such as they get the info from how the team lists him. NHLPA I believe just mirrors the NHL.com profile essentially. Now of course its only personal experience but I have heard none of the major broadcast networks call him Danny Briere. CBC, TSN and XM Radio all call him Daniel any time I have heard them mention him. And they are just as valid as print sources. -DJSasso (talk) 11:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * His Yahoo profile lists him as Danny Briere and that applies to the Canadian version of Yahoo sports as well (I thought that might be the problem but it wasn't). The sources I provided all say Danny so I don't know what you are seeing differently from me. -- It's the player that dictates what exactly he is called, not the team. For instance, Nikolay Zherdev requested that his name be changed from Nikolai to Nikolay prior to last season and his NHL.com profile was changed immediately. With regard to Briere, when he was originally signed by the Flyers he was listed as Daniel. A month later he was listed as Danny, probably at his request. -- Here is NBC referring to him as Danny Briere. That said, I'm sure Ed Olczyk has referred to him as Daniel and Danny interchangeably and that's probably the case with Canadian media. --Izzygood (talk) 18:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say its close enough that at worst they are both used extensively and interchangeably. If that is the case it should be defaulting to the actual name. My mistake on the yahoo...it was a case of google tricking me when I told it to only show me pages with Daniel and not Danny and it still showed me the profile. -DJSasso (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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References to Salem College
Salem College is a women's school in North Carolina. There was a Salem College in WV that has since been renamed Salem International University; since his life seems to have been spent in that state, and since he could not have gone to the Salem in NC, I'm going to edit the article to reflect the proper school. Mel21clc 16:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested move 10 March 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 16:34, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Cecil H. Underwood → Cecil Underwood – His middle initial was not widely used. Proposed move conforms to common usage and simplifies article title. --Relisted.  Sunrise    (talk)  21:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC) Bitmapped (talk) 03:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * NOTE was merged to  on 8 April 2006, so the edit history at the target location needs to be kept around, per WP:MAD -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 11:46, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No evidence is given for the assertion that "his middle initial was not widely used". From a cursory search, it seems to be used quite a lot: . Given this doubt and the problems with maintaining the history, as detailed above, I'd be inclined to leave this as is at present. — Amakuru (talk) 10:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Rroser167

Nanjing photos
I've placed notice that I am thinking of changing the caption on the first Rape of Nanjing photo. I would be grateful if you would respond.

Bathrobe 23:43, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

amen
-- Viajero 17:45, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi again, I have opened an RfC on Kapil: Requests for comment/KapilTagore. It would be most helpful if you could certify sign it. Thanks. -- Viajero 00:10, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

 * It has now been certified. -- Viajero 12:09, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

TDC
Thanks for your comment on Talk:Paul Robeson. I had a good laugh because of it. This might be of interest if you haven't seen it already: Requests_for_comment/TDC-2. Gamaliel 00:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, but
I appreciate your comments, Viajero and Gamaliel, but I'm not ready to become involved in administrative actions against these users.

I don't actually want to see them banned - I want to see them behave like adults. I fear a left-leaning Wikipedia as much as a right-leaning one. Wikipedia could become a great thing, a trusted source of the cold, hard truth of all human knowledge, but its already shaky credibility is not being helped by the appearance that its articles are tilted towards personal viewpoints.

They have valuable opinions that could be used to make good articles, if they didn't have the mentality of Young Republicans on cocaine. It's funny to watch them overreact to people that disagree with them. However, I ain't ready to help boot them yet, though I'm keeping a close eye on them. I give them three to two odds of getting booted soon anyway.--Rroser167 16:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

 * A few comments on this little "we hate TDC" pow wow you are all having here. For every Trey Stone or TDC on wiki there are 20 Commandante (agent provocateur in the Fidel Castro article) and Ruy Lopezs, so please dont give me this tired bullshit that we are somehow driving Wikipedia to a right wing bias. If anything, I provide a great deal of balance when faced with dozens of editors slugging through community college in their parents basement. As I pointed out in the Robeson article's talk page for every “noble” and “principled” admin who is willing to crack down on myself and other similar users, there are virtually none to do likewise in the virtual playground that the militant left has here. So please, take your sanctimonious self righteousness and put it some good use. You want to help on the Castro article? Look at the validity of my argument, look at the comments from the Castroites, and then tell me who is POV pushing and being uncivil.
 * And as far as your odds go, I give myself 100% chance of remaining here long after my detractors have given up in frustrations. You are, after all, talking to a SERE’s graduate, I know pain and I love to administer it when called for. TDC 04:51, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, TDC, your quote: "so please dont give me this tired bullshit that we are somehow driving Wikipedia to a right wing bias" - read what I wrote, again.  I told the other two what I'm afraid of is Wikipedia being at either extreme.  What I worry about is people coming here on one day and seeing your horseshit, and the next day seeing horseshit of the opposite color; and credibility is already a big problem at wikipedia.  I also ain't pow-wowing with anyone; I won't join their agenda to get rid of you, at least not until I think that you're a hopeless case.
 * "faced with dozens of editors slugging through community college in their parents basement" - Geez, you're a shitty asshole. Nice thing to say about people who didn't have the sense to choose the right balls to get shot out of.
 * "there are virtually none to do likewise in the virtual playground that the militant left has here...Look at the validity of my argument, look at the comments from the Castroites, and then tell me who is POV pushing and being uncivil" - TDC, that's exactly the problem with you - you can't even tell why people get mad at you. What I'm seeing happen consistently is that you make an extreme edit to an article, and then you whine when a leftist reverts your entire edit.  And, boy, you get offensive about it, much more offensive than anyone else, and you're always the initiator of the shit-slinging.
 * I understand your "shoot for the stars to get the moon argument" (sorry if I misquote you), but you'd probably get more results by making edits that you actually think will stick. And then you have to lash out like a two-year-old when your edits are reverted - whatdahelldidjaexpect?  Stop taking the reverts so personally.
 * I know that you think that the admins are against you for political reasons, but you're flat-out wrong. You'd get more support from the WikiGods if they hadn't first noticed you giving up the higher terrain by being the most insulting person you can be.  It's amazing that this isn't obvious to you.
 * "I give myself 100% chance of remaining here long..." - I do hope you that are here for a long time, just hopefully with a completely different personality. I know, fat chance.
 * A graduate of SERE - normally I'd be impressed, but since you pulled this out of your wide-open asshole at a time when it had no relevance to the topic at hand (unless they're now teaching political debate after insect-eating), your comment only clarifies the kind of person you are - an infantile braggart. You see yourself as some kind of one-man, wrongy persecuted, rebel/hero/patriot, but you actually just made yourself look like the bully in a kid's afteroon special, or about as credible as a gansta rapper who sells his ass on the street when his homies aren't around.  You're just frontin' like you're hard, but your reactions to anyone disagreeing with you are like that of a thin-skinned, self-concious, 12 year old girl.  --Rroser167 13:24, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

 * First let me state that in no way do I feel “persecuted” by the WikiGods. I feel that almost all admins have been more than fair with me, probably more fair than I would be in a similar situations. A few have taken my style a touch too personally, and yes, have a mission to see me go bye-bye. Secondly, this is no personal “crusade”, just a work-a-day pastime when things slack off for me. Also, unlike yourself, I am glad that you know what SERE’s is, most people have no idea. I did not mention it to “front” my “hardness” (did you read this little gem from the back of a Too Short CD?), it was just a illustration of my resilience.

 * Some editors can only be dealt with by using my “special” communication techniques. Its sad, but true, as I am sure you have run across here. Many editors will take it talk first, and allow me to justify it there, some are not so polite, and have to be treated “specialy”. If I rub people the wrong way, so be it. It is often a good indication of how to deal with an edit by who drops by to throw the monkey wrench in it. And let’s be honest, it fun.

 * c.TDC 06:17, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * I apologize, then, for overstating your problems with admins. I took your struggles with Gamaliel and your "commiepedia" statements and blew them out of proportion.
 * I know that people should not be taking your "touch too seriously", but since this is Wikipedia, and not a debate forum, I'd rather that contributing here was a pleasant experience for everyone involved, including overly-sensitive people.
 * As far as Too Short, I'm about as white as you can get, and I was writing in that style for comic (or maybe pathetically non-comical) effect. If I plagiarized him or any other "urban poet", I sure didn't mean to, and probably couldn't if I had wanted to.
 * Yeah, being a jerk is fun, especially with the no-consequence Internet. However, read what I wrote three sentences ago.  What do you think that Wikipedia should be like?
 * However, I do have admit that I've been far too harsh on you, TDC (probably because, like you said, it was just too fun), and like some others that I see have posted on discussions concerning you, I think that dealing with you can be a really positive experience, provided that one has patience and a thick skin. See you around.  --Rroser167 14:54, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Ditto. TDC 00:31, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Rroser, you wrote above:
 * ''I appreciate your comments, Viajero and Gamaliel, but I'm not ready to become involved in administrative actions against these users. I don't actually want to see them banned - I want to see them behave like adults.

An Request for Comment is not an adminstrative action, that is to say, it is not something undertaken by the management of Wikipedia. As you may know, Wikipedia is largely self-managed; the only formal authority, the Foundation board, does not involve itself in day-to-day running of the site. A RfC is simply a mechanism for one or more editors to seek feedback from other editors. It has no teeth; one can't ban another editor with an RfC; only the Arbitration Commitee can ban people. As you would see if you looked at it, the current RfC on TDC studiously avoids politics; the issue is behaviour. It is just one approach to encouraging TDC to "behave like an adult", to use your own words.

I've heard lefties complain that Wikipedia is dominated by conservatives and I've heard rightwingers complain that it is dominated by pinkos. At this point, I have no strong feeling one way or another; simply that some articles tilt slightly more one way than the other. But one things stands out: the rightwingers, such as TDC, behave immeasurably worse; they are the ones that trumpet their politics the loudest, complain about bias, bray and curse on talk pages, revert ad nauseum, and worst of all don't do their homework. When it comes to citing their sources, they have gone fishing.

TDC wrote above:
 * ''I never make edits when I don’t feel that the bulk of the content will stay. Surely, some ancillary, details might get tossed, but the meat stays. You should also know that even with my more “controversial” edits, nearly all have withstood a level of scrutiny that if applied to other articles would make this a much more reliable resource.

This is a shameless boast and at best debatable. TDC's erratic and unscholarly use of sources has been well documented and he gets reverted constantly. He also wrote above: Secondly, this is no personal “crusade”. How does this square with comments like: I have been quite consumed with destroying the “noble” and “romantic” image of undercover Stalinist Pablo Neruda. If that isn't a crusade, what is it? TDC is a zealot, and like all zealots he is out of place here. -- Viajero | Talk 21:14, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

 * True - I should have called TDC on the floor for claiming that his edits stick.
 * And yes, my own experience agrees with part of what you have said: the right-wing tend to act like animals when it comes to civilized debate - but I can't say that they're not doing they're homework as much as the left.
 * As far as zealotry is concerned - well, yes he's a zealot. And he would have been far more effective at getting his changes done if he wasn't so foolish as to have made his zealotry so obvious.  That's the nice thing about dealing with zealots - you always know when they're coming at you.
 * However, even zealots have useful input. Don't forget about the blind squirrel finding the nut. People like you will always be on the lookout to make sure his most outrageous edits don't stick.  Maybe someday he'll confine himself to making only useful edits. --Rroser167 15:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

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Style
I do believe that because Brodeur is such a unique goaltender, a section on his page should be devoted to his style of play. I think that a minor section under career should talk about his stats versus certain players; this is something he himself often discusses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbmagic93 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

User:DesolesIII's edit
In case you were wondering, I reverted most of your edits because a large portion of the information was either speculative/unsourced (the discussion of the "A" Line), or incorrect (Brodeur has won 3 Vezinas). However, he has played 15 years and only made the All-Star Game 8 times (he was named to this year's team but opted not to play).Anthony Hit me up... 19:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV language
I dont know how you all missed it, but since this article is locked I cant fix it. In the final paragraph of "2004--Present," someone stuck a link to pest in front of Sean Avery's name. // 68.100.70.125 (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I noticed that the pest link was appended with (ice hockey). I'm not that terribly up on hockey lingo, but it still should be looked at with someone with a little more insight and knowledge // 68.100.70.125 (talk) 17:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I blew that one. The proper link is pest (hockey), and I misinterpreted that.  Oops. The red-link should still be fixed, being a GA article and all. // 68.100.70.125 (talk) 17:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Made a redirect so the red-link is gone. --Michael Greiner 19:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Push For the Front Page?
I think that we should try to get this on the front page for May 6 (Martin's B-Day). By then it will have been an FA article for over 2 years (which is 2 points on the TFA scale). Still have a while to go before we can request it, but it's just something to keep in mind. --Sportskido8 (talk)

Brodeur/Avery conflict
From the article: "Brodeur and Sean Avery refused to shake each other's hand." Is this accurate? From what I remember, Avery extended his hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdomcarts (talk • contribs) 23:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * After looking at the video, I guess it's accurate. It's kinda hard to tell what's going on with Avery's hand, but they clearly both intended to skate right by each other. Nevermind, sorry.Kingdomcarts (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Record breaking efforts
OK, I seriously think with the record being tied last night, (hopefully) broken Tuesday night, and all the edits to the page trying to update the stats and whatnot, this page needs to be on serious lockdown between now & whenever the record is broken. Otherwise we're going to deal with IP address vandals trying to throw in all kinds of nonsense (and pissed off Ranger fans still carrying an Avery grudge). Just a thought to save us all a lot of grief. Anthony Hit me up... 16:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be clarified that his record breaking single season and career wins record include shootout wins, which represented a substantial rules change and are fundamentally different than winning a game by playing 5 on 5 or 4 on 4 hockey. Not an asterix per se, but something like "Most Single Season Wins (including Shootouts)"--Pelti (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I disagree with the above comment. While the introduction of a shootout certainly began a new "era" in the NHL, this can be said for any rule-change and the records broken subsequently.  For instance, thanks to the point for an overtime-loss, the overall number of points earned by teams is higher.  Any change in the number of games can do the same.  The NHL doesn't differentiate between shootout wins and regulation/overtime wins.  If they say "a win is a win is a win", then we should do the same. -Sme3 (talk) 03:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Is There anyone who know where to find assist stats and more statistic about brodeur? Brodeur is pursuing most assit record for a goaltender ( Barasso still hold the record with 48 ) and most point for a goalie. That would be great to include those stat. I find out on the net that by 2006 he had 26 assist and 1 goal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.35.167.48 (talk) 05:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't make any sense, Clearly he would have still broken Roy's wins record, but not nearly as quick, a "win is a win is a win" would make sense in a arguement only if Roy was able to win(or lose) all his games and not be forced to ties his entire career as Martin Brodeur hasn't recorded a single Tie to his name since the lock-out. When heading into a shoot-out he automatically has a 50/50 chance of winning simply by having his teammates out-score the other team where as Roy only had a 1/3 chance of winning the game vs a tie or a loss. The shoot-out era clearly gives goalies a bigger chance to rack up more wins than the previous years before the new overtime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.24.73.60 (talk) 23:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Why?
Why were the pictures moved around? The one in the red uniform looks better for the top - you can actually see his face. --Sportskido8 (talk) 18:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's a side/backside photo that doesn't show him in game action or give us a look at his equipment. The current photo is pretty much the perfect free image. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 04:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I liked the older photo (the one Sportskido referred to) better. You see his face with a calm, yet intense expression which is so characteristic of Brodeur.  Besides, the photos don't need to be action photos, take take a look at the Sean Avery page. sme3 (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, in that case, we have a nice profile picture that's a free image of Avery from the front without any gear on, which is just as good a photo as one of him playing hockey. But the Brodeur photo in question is still a side shot - you can't see his gear, and his face is still more difficult to see. I mean, it's a good photo, but I think there are better alternatives available for an infobox photo. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 13:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Page protected
Please stop edit warring. Take the next two weeks to discuss the disputes. When you've reached some sort of consensus, feel free to ask me on my talk page or request unprotection at WP:RFUP. - Rjd0060 (talk) 17:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The lead
For two years, the lead in this article was barely touched, and it was fine like that. I don't understand why it needs to undergo a facelift now that Marty has broken the wins record. It is clear, concise and cohesive - anyone who is unfamiliar with Brodeur will gain a nice understanding of him just from the lead alone.

Do we really need these new changes? You want to clarify that he's a "player"...but it says it right in the first sentence that he has played his entire career with the Devils. That seems like sufficient evidence to me. --Sportskido8 (talk) 21:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

 * For me, the newer wording is clearer. I don't see any obvious benefit from the version you prefer. I'm not sure what you mean by 'cohesive' in this case, and why you think that is an advantage. Nothing significant has been removed from the lead and the reader still gets all the same information.
 * "MB (born ...) is a Canadian ice hockey player" is a clear, concise, unambiguous intro. We can't assume that readers who aren't sports fans at all will make the connection between 'goaltender' and 'has played'. They shouldn't have to click on a link to find out that a goaltender is a player. The next sentence has his position and career info - IMO, that info doesn't need to be in the first sentence - it doesn't define who he is.
 * The fact that Brodeur has been in the news recently maybe means this article has received more attention, and editors including myself have noticed areas that can be improved. That is basically how Wikipedia works. That the lead was stable for some time doesn't mean it can't be improved or shouldn't be touched. The feature article template on this talk page says "if you can update or improve it, please do so." The main objection to the recent changes seems to simply be some editors' attachment to the older version. --hippo43 (talk) 22:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that Brodeur has been in the news recently maybe means this article has received more attention, and editors including myself have noticed areas that can be improved. That is basically how Wikipedia works. That the lead was stable for some time doesn't mean it can't be improved or shouldn't be touched. The feature article template on this talk page says "if you can update or improve it, please do so." The main objection to the recent changes seems to simply be some editors' attachment to the older version. --hippo43 (talk) 22:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that Brodeur has been in the news recently maybe means this article has received more attention, and editors including myself have noticed areas that can be improved. That is basically how Wikipedia works. That the lead was stable for some time doesn't mean it can't be improved or shouldn't be touched. The feature article template on this talk page says "if you can update or improve it, please do so." The main objection to the recent changes seems to simply be some editors' attachment to the older version. --hippo43 (talk) 22:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

 * As it sits now (in its protected state, the older intro), it states that "Martin Pierre Brodeur (born May 6, 1972) is a Canadian professional ice hockey goaltender who has played his entire National Hockey League (NHL) career with the New Jersey Devils." To me, the "has played" part clearly states that he is a player.
 * I agree that we should improve the article when we can, even if it has been featured and stood the same for years. My only real objection is the part that says he led the team to Stanley Cups, playoffs, etc.  This may overstate his role, is slightly POV, and can be an insult to other "leaders" on the team.  (Whether it was "all but once", or "14 out of 15 seasons", I really don't care).
 * Just my two cents worth. --sme3 (talk) 02:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I am always open to new changes on this article; of course it can be improved. But as I've said in the past, I disapprove of items being completely transformed when they don't need to be. The point about him "leading" the team by himself is a valid one, so that can be re-written a little bit. However, I've never heard a complaint about the first sentence before, so I've assumed that nobody is confused by it. --Sportskido8 (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Sportskido - Taking a clause from my March 19th edit hereand removing the awkward structure of the first two sentences, how about: "In his 15-year tenure, he helped the team to win three Stanley Cup championships and to secure playoff berths in each year but one." -sme3 (talk) 02:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah that's fine. You might want to say he "has helped the team win three Stanley Cup championships and secure a playoff berth in eleven consecutive seasons...." or something like that. --Sportskido8 (talk) 14:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Section "International"
Please delete the "543" after "W" in the header of this section. The number here certainly does not mean anything. Thanks. --Roged (talk) 06:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Brodeur vs. Other Players?
Is this really necessary? --Sportskido8 (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. It says little about Brodeur versus other players - it just says he talks about them in his book.  If there were a Wikipedia article about "Beyond the Crease", it might belong there (not that I suggest one be created!).  It is interesting though, and it might be appropriate (in condensed form) in the paragraph about his book. -Sme3 (talk) 15:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

According to the New York Daily News, "his statistics are artificially inflated playing behind a team that perfected the defensive trap - and ruined hockey in the process. CashRules (talk) 08:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cash, you added this same sentence to the article, and it has been reverted. An encyclopedia is a place for facts, not analysis.  --Sme3 (talk) 12:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Related to another famous Canadian/Quebecois goalie Richard Brodeur ?
No.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dc2000 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Canadian or Canadian-American?
An edit war is beginning to brew. We know that Brodeur was born in Canada and recently became an American citizen -- he holds dual-citizenship. But does this make him "Canadian American"? According to the Wikipedia article on Canadian American, the term describes "an American of Canadian descent." There is no reference to citizenship or birthplace. (This, in the same way that the term "African American" refers to ancestry - the person may have never set foot in Africa). Yet, I look at the Bobby Holik article, another player born outside of the USA that obtained American citizenship, and he is described as "Czech-American". So, in the lead sentence, should we use the birthplace (Canadian), citizenship (Canadian-American), ancestry (Canadian), or current home (American)?  Me Three  ( talk to me )  13:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

MVP of the decade in the NHL
Hi, what about adding some information about Brodeur being the MVP of the decade in the NHL? I think it is a valuable fact and should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.100.136.166 (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The source here says he was selected "by a panel of NHL.com writers and other hockey experts." Being on NHL.com, it bears credibility, but is it an official award or honor?  (Meaning: have there been any other MVP's of prior decades?).  I'd suggest you be bold and add it.  Just make sure you include the reference to the NHL.com site to give it credibility.  Me Three  ( talk to me )  15:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Well I would add it since I definitely consider it worth mentioning (even if it's not an official award), the problem is I am not a native speaker so someone else should probably do it. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.88.128.146 (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Personal Life Section
I noticed this phrase -- "Brodeur is regarded as a brilliant chef and an engaging raconteur in his spare time.[8]" -- and the reference is effectively dead. Also, using the term "chef" typically denotes a trained professional, not just "someone who cooks really well," although the word "chef" has essentially been deprecated enough to the point where it can mean that nowadays. Wondering if that should be changed (both a term other than "chef" and the reference link itself). Crimson667 (talk) 12:57, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Blues?
Why is there no updated picture from the press conference showing him with a Blues uniform on? It's his most recent team, that should be his2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:747C:4CF:F28D:A672 (talk) 07:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC) article picture.

Featured Article issues
There's a lot of unsourced content in here, which in itself would make it automatically fail a GAN/FAC if it was nominated today. The prose has some issues as well, and could use a copyedit which I think I can take care of at some point, but I'm sure I wouldn't have the time or motivation to go through and source the half of the article that needs it. Would anyone be interested in taking this one on?  G loss  07:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I had thought the same thing when I watchlisted this article. This article was promoted in 2007. Standards have undoubtedly tightened since then, and the time has allowed what this article was to go to rot, to a degree. I don't have the time to fix it personally. I may put it up for review after the hockey season, if it's not better by then. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Article update needed following retirement.
Following the announcement of Brodeur's retirement, we're going to need someone to updated the small St Louis Blues section of the article, covering his leave of absence and his role in the front office. I'd do it but not too knowledgeable on the situation. I did however update the info bar and his career statistics to include his short tenure with the Blues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spilia4 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I'd go further and say that everything in the article post 2009 needs to be re-written. There are too many "On such-and-such a date, X happened" sentences. Sxg169 (talk) 18:51, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Brodeur30.jpg vs Martin Brodeur 2012.png as main picture.

Hello!

I've seen this page a few times, and, to be honest, I'm finding that I particularly like the 2006 photo of him, as it is a particularly striking pose, whereas the 2012 photo isn't nearly as striking. Both are excellent inclusions for the article, but, I find that, for the 'front page', so to speak, I prefer.

I've already made the swap, but what do you think? I'd like to see your answers before any reversions occur. Also, I'm trying to figure out how to replace the existing image with an enlarged version that I've prepared, as the current one is rather small. If someone can tell me how to do that, I'd greatly appreciate it, since this would qualify as a minor improvement per the guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Legacy (talk • contribs) 02:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I think you're right -- the 2006 photo is a better photo and also shows his name. There are, however, two tiny ways that one might argue in favour of the 2012 photo: the 2012 photo is more recent and it also is more clear to a non-hockey fan that the 2012 photo is of a hockey goaltender.  All in all, I think the 2006 photo is better for the reasons that you mention. Sxg169 (talk) 17:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

 * True, though, on the subject of goaltending equipment, you can easily tell that the glove on his left hand, though mostly hidden, is unmistakably a goal-tending glove. That said, I'm glad we're in agreement. :) The Legacy (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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1000th game!
Someone needs to add (and congrats to Adrew Brunette from an Avs Fan we don't forget his contributions) that he played his 1000th game on 2/1/11? Love ya Bruno! Also the first ECHL player to do so according to google news? B4Ctom1 (talk) 03:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Coaching stats?
Shall we include a box with coaching record? Tyrone (talk) 22:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Domestic Violence
Should his domestic violence incident get its own section or is keeping it in personal life okay?

Why is it so important to sldocument at all? Please attach the court records that back up this story....they don’t exist because the charges were dropped Cgretzmacher (talk) 02:34, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I agree it shouldn't be it's own section but he pled guilty. What do you mean the charges were dropped. Two very reliable sources show he pled guilty. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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Chocolate Rocket Citation
Here's an article mentioning Carter as "the player sometimes known as the 'Chocolate Rocket'" http://wwwrealitycheckeyesontheprize.blogspot.com/search?q=chocolate+rocket

Granted it's a blog, but nicknames are things that grow out of pop-culture so a blog may be our best bet in this case for a citation.

Rivtow 03:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Soul Brother
To be honest, I've never heard that term used regarding him, and I lived in Vancouver last year when he played so there was a lot of media about him that I saw. Could anybody get a citation or a source for that?Gregmitch 09:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Chocolate Rocket
There is no source for this nickname, please stop adding it until you cite it's source. As for the other nickname, I think I remember reading about it in an interview, but I can't seem to find the link anymore. --164.107.210.182 07:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * you think you remember?

 * any canucks fan who doesn't remember that nickname wasn't paying attention, jerk

Merger proposal
The article was merged -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 03:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I propose the merger of Big Up Entertainment into this article. I came upon it while addressing WP:CSDs tagged for deletion for notability concerns. The record label currently does seem to lack stand-alone notability. It doesn't meet the criteria for a major independent label as set forth at WP:MUSIC. Its press coverage seems to be trivial and in context of Carter's other notable factors. In my opinion, its notability therefore relates to its founder, and hence the subject would be appropriate for a paragraph in the parent article. The merger will leave a redirect, so individuals looking for the company will not be floundering, and the article can be re-established as stand-alone when it does become individually notable. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was confused at first when I saw a proposed merger with "Big Up Entertainment," but after reading your explanation, putting the info about his record label on his page with a redirect sounds like the right thing to do, for now. --Muéro(talk/c) 16:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I can see how that would be confusing. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Guy Charron

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 15:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Lack of Playoff Games
Olli Jokinen has appeared in playoff games since this article was last edited, so once again poor Guy Charron is the NHL's leader in games played without any playoff games played... That's what you get for playing for the Caps in the 1970s... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.202.248.52 (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:King Clancy

Untitled
"A blue & white Canadian flag"? On what planet? Or a stylized Leafs jersey? Or what? Clarify! Trekphiler 19:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Clancy's casket was draped by a flag designed as the Canadian Flag (Maple Leaf in the middle, & bars on both sides). However, where the Canadian flag is RED & WHITE ,this flag was BLUE & WHITE (alluding to the Toronto Maple Leafs). Thus this flag was a curious mix of the Canadian Flag & a flag representing the Toronto Maple Leafs. GoodDay 20:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Dit Clapper

Upgrade
Heh, there just went five hours of my life. It may be hubris, but I think this is up to B-standard now, although there must be a photo that's passed into public domain by now ...   Ravenswing   07:13, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Good work!  PK  T (alk)  00:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

20 season's with same team?
The claim is made that only 7 players have played 20 season with the same team in NHL history. I am unsure whether or not you meant that the seven players mentioned were the only players to have played 20 seasons for a single team and also did not play on any other team throughout their entire career or that the seven players mentioned were the only players to have played on one team for 20 seasons during their career but that they also may have played another team at some other point. Either way the statement is not accurate, both Nicklas Lidström and Ken Daneyko played for 20 seasons in the NHL (Lidström for Detroit and Daneyko for New Jersey) and Ray Bourque, Johnny Bucyk, and Gordie Howe played 20 seasons for a single team (Bucyk and Bourque played for Boston and Howe played for Detroit) while also playing for other franchises over the course of their career (Bucyk for Detroit, Bourque for Colorado, and Howe for Hartford). Whichever way the statement is supposed to read I think the information should be updated so that the information is current. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.229.84 (talk) 09:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Trent Valley Archives
Trent Valley Archives have information on Dit Clapper in a five-part series, each entitled Mister Boston Bruin the First: the Hastings Legend by Dave & Sharon Barry. Can anyone glean from the five for this article? I have referenced Part 5 for his marriage to Lorraine Pratt.

Part 1 The Heritage Gazette of the Trent Valley, Volume 14, number 4, February 2010 pp. 5–11 PArt 2 The Heritage Gazette of the Trent Valley, Volume 15, number 1, May 2010 pp. 3–8 https://trentvalleyarchives.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/ISSN-1206-May-2010-b.pdf Part 3 The Heritage Gazette of the Trent Valley, Volume 15, number 2, August 2010 pp. 3–6 https://trentvalleyarchives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/HGTV-August-2010-a1.pdf Part 4 The Heritage Gazette of the Trent Valley, Volume 15, number 3, November 2010 pp. 3–6 https://trentvalleyarchives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/HGTV-d-Nov-2010.pdf Part 5 The Heritage Gazette of the Trent Valley, Volume 16, number 1, May 2011 pp. 3–6 https://trentvalleyarchives.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/May2011.pdf --Brenont (talk) 21:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Wendel Clark

Edits
A couple observations:

 * Cutting the references to Clark's playing career outside of Toronto is a disservice to the article. I restored them.
 * The extended passages on the Leafs' team woes in the early 1990s have little to nothing to do with Clark himself. I tightened that up. --Faustus37 02:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

16Aug2006 FatBear
 * I don't believe Clark ever played in the Stanley Cup Finals as is noted in the trivia section.
 * I believe that's correct. The closest he ever got was the conference finals in '93. I edited accordingly. --Faustus37 22:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

06Sept16 Pettycamp

 * I edited "Prince of Wales" conference to read "Campbell" conference. It is a common misconception that the Leafs were in the Wales Conference back then because most eastern based teams were on that side.  The Leafs, however, were an exception and were finally re-aligned to the east several years later.
 * I also added the Pat Quinn reference for a couple reasons... 1) Quinn is the last NHL coach for whom Clark played, and 2) it is somewhat ironic that Quinn's Canucks prevented Toronto from reaching the finals that year.

Reputation section
Should this be removed entirely? It's completely unsourced and not written in encyclopedic style, e.g.
 * "Clark came into the league swinging"
 * "showing a ferocity seldom matched throughout the league"
 * "a relative who's who of his era's NHL tough-guys"
 * "ability to change a game with a single bodycheck" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:420:2840:1250:96A:FA4D:B31E:7339 (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Removed. Unsourced and WP:POV. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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Mellat Park

Mellat Park ( Pārk e Mellat), literally the Nation Park, is an urban park in northern Tehran, Iran.

It is one of the city's largest green spaces, situated adjacent to Valiasr Street at the foot of the Alborz mountains to the east, extending to Chamran Expressway and Seoul Street to the west.

The park lies in the southern grounds of Tehran International Fair and the Enghelab Club. It is home to one of the first musical fountains in Tehran.

Before the 1979 Revolution, it was known as the Imperial Park (پارک شاهنشاهی Pārk e Šāhanšāhi). It is also the location of a steam-powered locomotive used on Iran's first railway section, built between 1886 and 1888. The locomotive was built by Belgian group Ateliers de Tubize, commissioned in 1887.

Mellat Gallery and Cineplex
Mellat Gallery and Cineplex is located to the southeast of the park. It was designed by architects Reza Daneshmir and Catherine Spiridonoff in an area of about 6,000 square meters, and was first opened on November 9, 2008.

The complex includes four theater halls, a cinematheque, and a space for holding exhibitions and marketing cultural products.

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Talk:Bobby Clarke

Picture
Added a picture of him because he needs one. One of the most vocal and vibrant of hockey's personalities needs a face here. -RomeW 09:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Can an image like this (from Clarke's Legends of Hockey profile) be used? I realize it is not a free image, but as far as fair use is concerned, the picture from Darryl Sittler's Legends of Hockey profile has been uploaded for use in Sittler's article since June 2005. --207.69.140.20 18:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally no, I don't know why the other image hasn't been deleted. --Krm500 20:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing none of these could be used either, correct? --Ulf17 19:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Candy
This thing about hiding candy in his uniform's pockets seems pretty far-fetched to me. For one thing, uniforms don't have pockets. Anyway, unless someone comes up with a source, that part should be deleted. Baconpatroller 04:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Technically there are pockets in the pants that hold the thigh plates, at least there were in circa '80s equipment. Not that they'd be useful for easy candy access.  Occasionally I'd stuff items in the cuff of my gloves (a puck, roll of tape, mouth guard), but usually not during play.  I did read somewhere back when that the trainer had a tube of glucose in his kit, just in case, but it was never used.  --J Clear 14:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Frank Lewis carried around chocolate and glucose just in case. From all the things I've read about Clarke, hiding candy in his uniform's (hockey pants) pockets seems to originate from this Wikipedia article. --4.239.168.223 00:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Resigned
As someone already edited into the article, AP has a leaked report that Clarke is resigning (resigned) today at 10 AM EDT. Have not seen confirmation yet. --J Clear 14:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Confirmed. --J Clear 14:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Controversy and criticism

 * Clarke failed to win a Stanley Cup over the 22 seasons he was a general manager. is a proper lead since it is the most significant blight on his full 22-year career as an NHL GM (not just with the Flyers) - Put together a number of good teams but never won the Cup.

 * Despite topping their Division in 1995 and 2000, the Flyers were upset both times by their Atlantic rivals, the New Jersey Devils, in the conference finals.

What were the odds? They were the higher seed on both occasions, but they were also division champs in 2004 when they beat the Devils.

 * Expansion of Goaltending section, head coaching changes section...

The previous versions were short and concise. These versions have numerous details which are located at History of the Philadelphia Flyers, linked to at the beginning of NHL management.

 * The third main criticism directed at Clarke was his penchant for bringing in big, hard nosed, "gritty mucker & grinder" type of players. Notable was during the 1997 playoffs, where the Flyers' top line of Eric Lindros, John LeClair and Mikael Renberg (nicknamed the "Legion of Doom") used their size and strength to dominate in the Flyers' first three playoff series wins. However, the "Legion of Doom" failed to make an impact in the Finals as Detroit Red Wings coach Scotty Bowman countered it by using playmaking defensemen Nicklas Lidström and Larry Murphy instead of matching the Flyers for size and grit as many had expected.

Big, hard nosed, gritty, mucker, grinder types was the style of play in the Eastern Conference between the two NHL lockouts. How is this a criticism? Detroit shut down the Legion of Doom, but give credit where credit is due: The Grind Line. ''During the 1997 Stanley Cup Playoffs, the line was effective against the Philadelphia Flyers famous "Legion of Doom" line that featured Eric Lindros, John LeClair, and Mikael Renberg. After the 1997 season, Darren McCarty replaced Joe Kocur as the third linemate. The line was effective at "grinding" and wearing against the opposition's top scoring line by provided an enforcing presence, helping the team win three Stanley Cups."'' Undermines the "Big, hard nosed, gritty, mucker, grinder types" as a criticism, doesn't it?

 * More importantly, while this worked with mixed results in years previous to the 2004-05 lockout, it became a major hindrance in the post lockout years as the league attempted to move back towards the fast, skilled playmakers of the 1980s and away from the "clutching and grabbing" style that prevailed in from the mid 1990s onward.

This avoids the fact the Flyers led all playoff teams in man-games lost to injury in 05-06 (14 players from that team had off-season surgery of some kind) and Buffalo had little roster turnover from the lockout (the entire core of that team remained the same) whereas the Flyers roster was 2/3 different (also absent an injured captain who was their best player in 2004). And they still managed to win two games. Then, in the off-season, Clarke acquired numerous fast, skilled "new NHL" players that were horrible for the Flyers. --Ulf17 (talk) 05:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Paul Coffey

vandalism to this page by User:24.202.173.86
don't just revert to the last edit, as he or she has made many edits to the page. I just reverted all his/her edits. El hombre de haha 05:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Phil Esposito never wore #77. He was #7 his entire career. Making only Coffey and Bourqe the only TWO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.84.144.114 (talk) 12:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Phil Esposito wore #77 with the NY Rangers because #7 was recently used by Rod Gilbert and the Rangers were not ready to give the number out again. Eventually they retired #7 in honor Gilbert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.247.66 (talk) 23:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Lionel Conacher

Year of birth?
Some sources on the net say he was born in 1900, others say 1901. Anyone know for sure which is correct

 * It is 1900 by the majority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.16.218 (talk) 05:38, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Well, right now the article says 1901 but says he was 54 at his death in 1954. They can't both be right.  I've flagged it as self-contradictory, but I think it should probably be edited to say that there are conflicting sources. --76.71.5.208 (talk) 04:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Matt Cooke

Criticism section
I added a Criticism section. It was justified at this point because of the current wide publicity over the hit on Boston's Savard and also because it was highlighted on Hockey Night in Canada. BashBrannigan (talk) 01:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * An editor removed the criticism section and I reverted that. I thought I'd explain why. 1. There are people who believe what Cooke has been criticized for is just part of hockey. This is simply not the case. Hits to the head, are NOT part of hockey and never have been. Hitting in hockey has the strategic function to take an opponent out of play. Hits to the head have no strategy other than to cause injury. 2. While Cooke is not the only offender, his actions drew wide media coverage. Head-hits were already under scrutiny and the NHL had rules to deal with them to come into effect in the next year. However, when Cooke was not suspended for the Savard hit criticism was so negative, the league was embarrassed into putting it into place immediately. Therefore Cooke became the focal point of a major rule change. This makes notability. 3. Don Cherry on HNIC devoted an entire segment to Cooke showing video of his head-hits and also revealed Cooke confronted him personally about his criticism. This also creates notability. 4. Cooke has been an effective hockey player in his career, but this event is a significant event in his career and thus the size is appropriate. BashBrannigan (talk) 23:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

In the days leading up to his latest and longest suspension, it has been widely reported and has now become the the widely accept consensus view that Cooke is a dirty player and a headhunter who will soon be out of hockey if he does not clean up his act. His chronic offenses are not simply hockey plays. They are deliberate and repeated attempts to injure and concuss opposing players. This narrative is unquestionably the central piece of Cooke's career story that needs to mentioned in the introduction and emphasized more in the body of the article. You can split hairs over my choice of words but the theme is inarguable. Jrgilb (talk) 04:23, 23 March 2011 (UTC)  Inviting discussion of this topic. I have included it in the lead, and reversed the previous reversal. This is THE story of Cooke's career. To remove it from the intro is the equivalent of removing the story of Tiger Woods' infidelity from his lead (it's there, and not by me). This is not a Matt Cooke puff piece. Jrgilb (talk) 05:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

 * http://bleedingallblue.blogspot.com/2011/03/video-nhl-needs-to-send-message-in.html Blog post from March 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rauterkus (talk • contribs) 11:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Jrgikb, you apparently failed to notice (read above your comment) that I was the one arguing that there should be a section on Cooke's suspension history, so I'm hardly biased in favour of Cooke to make this a "puff piece" when I removed it from the lead. You're exaggerating the effect of removing it from the lead and I'm unconvinced it should be there. Cooke is a talented player who has played dirty, but he is not a goon. I won't revert it because you have continued the discussion. I will say, that if the lead is going to mention the suspensions it cannot be in the form it is now. BashBrannigan (talk) 00:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Bash, point taken, I repositioned my comment above so it is simply more discussion of how to introduce Mr. Cooke, and not a reply. I do believe the newspaper story written when he retires will mention his head-shot notoriety in the first two paragraphs.  His obit may push it down lower, mainly to be kind.  It is, at this point in Cooke's career, the first thing most people who know about Cooke would think of.  Agree he is talented and also not a "goon" as the term is used to mean enforcer or fighter (e.g. Probert).  Cooke is something different, and frankly worse, which is a headshot artist.  This type of player is now under the league's microscope with the rise in concussion awareness.  He may actually be the poster child.  I have no objection to tightening up the reference in his introduction.  But that is the essential story of Matt Cooke today. http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2011/03/matt-cookes-suspension-hearing-top.html Jrgilb (talk) 02:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Matt Cooke remains at war with himself. At times since 2011, he has tried hard to keep his dirty play in the closet, but there have numerous moments when he just can't resist his baser instincts, which have not gone away. If you watch the slow-mo replay over and over, as I did, you will see Cooke skating into the corner to ride Karlsson into the boards, THEN lifting his skate up quite unnaturally to step on the back of Karlsson's ankle. It was not deliberate per se, rather it was reflexive, but it was still an proactive attempt to injure another player (and one of the NHL's very best, at that), and a dirty play. I agree with Mr. Melnyk, and would have suspended him for at least a few games. With luck, he will be fishing after Games 3 and 4 of the Eastern Conf finals. I believe the "Changing His Game" section is a bit of a whitewash of Cooke's antics since 2011. He remains a decent NHL player, but his one differentiating attribute remains his pattern of repetitive dirty play. The article should reflect this point. Jrgilb (talk) 06:05, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What your expressing is largely personal opinion and Wikipedia can only reflect published material. Published opinion likely won't support your view. For example, on the game 3 Pittsburgh-Boston Hockey Night Canada broadcast Don Cherry, a very strong critic of Cooke in the past, praised Cooke's play. In this context that opinion carries weight. BashBrannigan (talk) 03:52, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Belleville or Stirling?
I noticed an editor reverted an edit which gave Cooke's birthplace as Sirling. Months ago, I did the same revert myself, because the NHL gives it as Belleville. However, the fact that this came up again made me curious and I did some looking. Stirling is a very small town near Belleville. The Wikipedia article on the town, Stirling-Rawdon, does list Matt Cooke as being fom Stirling with a citation. I did some googling and it appears he was from Stirling and here's one citation for that. So, the question is, do we go by the NHL, or by other references? Opinions? BashBrannigan (talk) 04:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The parameter is for place of birth not hometown. The provided article does not state that Cooke was born in Stirling-Rawdon. It is something that could be addressed in the prose i.e. Cooke was born in Belleville, Ontario, but grew up in Stirling-Rawdon. But for the info box I would go with the NHL unless you find a reference actually stating he was born in Stirling. With a population of only 2,139 for Stirling alone (just under 5,000 combined) there is the possibility that Medical facilities aren't equipped with a Pediatrics wing meaning families have their children in the near by Belleville or perhaps Cooke's family preferred to use the facilities in Bellville. Whatever the case may be sources say he was born in Bellville.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 15:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that it was place of birth. Your logic seems sound, unless it was a home-birth, then Belleville is probably right. BashBrannigan (talk) 05:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Changing his game section
The Cooke quotes in this section need to be paraphrased. They aren't memorable, and they are sloppily formatted. They add nothing more than paraphrased quotes would. fds Talk 19:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Stop the presses
Cooke seems to be as malicious as ever. Tonight he checked Erik Karlsson, whose back was turned, into the boards. As he reached Karlsson, Cooke lifted his left skate much higher than necessary, and stepped into the backside of Karlsson's upper ankle, slicing Karlsson's achilles tendon. It looks from the video like a deliberate, malicious, pernicious play, with an intent to inflict a very bad injury. Yes, Cooke seemed to have changed his game since I last weighed in on this page. However, he has now re-approached his old lows. He used to be an obvious head-shot artist. Now, he is much more subtle. I suggest the editors should hesitate before adding anything more to the "changing his game" theme. Maybe not. Jrgilb (talk) 04:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * if you have something in print to verify what your saying then please feel free to add it. If he is suspended or disciplined it would be worth adding. BashBrannigan (talk) 06:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * BashBrannigan: are you trying to imply that this incident should only be mentioned if it ends in a suspension? I beg to differ. Cooke may have ended the career of another All-Star player, and that is certainly noteworthy on its own. ChakaKongtalk 15:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't add anything to the article, but I support whoever did so. It does NOT matter that the NHL has decided to whitewash this disgraceful and deliberately inflicted injury by this slimeball Cooke.  The paragraph I just read it sounds right to me.  Many people, like me, will continue to challenge Cooke and his defenders on this incident. Jrgilb (talk) 16:28, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Just a general reminder that it is not our place to push our own POV into the article. Nor is the talk page a general forum for discussion on the topic. Jrgilb - I will aslo specifically remind you that WP:BLP applies to talk pages, and defamatory statements are not permitted.  If you want to push a WP:POV/trash Cooke, take it to a message board. Resolute 17:29, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * With respect, the newspaper article written when Cooke retires will put greater emphasis on Cooke's dirty play than this article does. Five years after he retires, it will be the only thing anyone will remember about him.  Several contributors over the years have proposed revisions that would be more consistent with the commonly held perception of Cooke, and one that is widely reported and sourceable in the general media.  I am simply arguing for a more accurate article, and in favor of those revisions, which are periodically removed or watered down by other contributors. Jrgilb (talk) 06:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fully half the article is dedicated to his suspension history and questionable legacy. If anything, the article is already weighed too heavily toward that viewpoint, as his actual playing career section is thin in places and outright missing several seasons worth of information. Resolute 16:20, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

The Karlsson incident should be removed.
As it currently stand the Karlsson incident should be removed. There's nothing substantive in the media, and consequently nothing in this article, supporting that the injury was deliberate and so the simple inclusion of the incident becomes an accusation against Cooke. The facts presented in the article are these: Cooke and Karlsson made contact, Karlsson was seriously injured, the NHL ruled it accidental, Senator fans thought it was deliberate and are really angry. So it is being included because Ottawa Senator fans are upset?? It is fine to include the incident in the Ottawa Senator or Karlsson article, but putting it in the Cooke article is guilt by implication. I removed it once, but I was reverted by an editor who said it was an admin who added the content. I can't tell who that admin was, but I would welcome their feedback. BashBrannigan (talk) 23:37, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I was the one who added it, but I'm not expecting it needs to be locked in. It is also considerably toned down compared to what was originally written.  I kind of agree with you, but on the other hand, Melnyk's comments today certainly warrant inclusion.  There may well be enough that has happened that a small mention is warranted - a couple sentences on the hit, Melnyk's comments, general opinion it was a non-incident.  Resolute 23:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would actually agree with you that Melnyk's comments need to be included. As I mentioned, currently there appears to be no sensible reason for this content because it appears from reading it that only the "fans" are upset. Melnyk's extreme critism would give some justification for the content. But so extreme are his comments that there would be the concern that it becomes POV. Perhaps try to balance with quotes from Cooke? BashBrannigan (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added Melnyk's comments to the section per this discussion. Direct quotes, so hopefully nobody will play the NNPOV card. ChakaKongtalk 18:53, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would like to get others into this too (Resolute?) as simply adding Melnyk's comments is bias. The question now is how to balance the POV? BashBrannigan (talk) 19:06, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Where is the bias? I'm not sure how there can be POV in someone else's quote. Was it not YOU who clearly agreed that "Melnyk's comments need to be included"? You say "simply adding Melnyk's comments is bias", but it seems to me that adding anything else BUT the quote will likely inject a bias. ChakaKongtalk 19:24, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it even relevant whether it was intentional or not? We're talking about an incident in which one of the NHL's top players was lost for the season, and this has been all over the sports news since the moment it happened. That alone should be enough to justify at least a mention that it happened; Cooke was responsible, no matter what his intentions were. I'm strongly against the removal of this information and I feel it's fine as it currently exists. In fact, I question the neutrality of BashBrannigan's point of view in trying to have it removed in it's entirety. ChakaKongtalk 00:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * A couple of things. First, if this was any other player, this debate wouldn't be happening. Things do sometimes just "happen" in the course of a game. That said, Cooke's reputation means that intent is going to be in dispute, and the balanced approach that is happening in the article now seems fair. It's also of course very fresh - let the current section stand, and it will die down eventually. Over time, it may even warrant removal later depending on what develops in the future, per WP:Recent. Second, for a good example of a similar situation, see the Chara/Pacioretty incident, which was much more controversial, and eventually led to arenas changing their stanchions, etc. Chara had no reputation as a dirty player, although Montreal fans were incensed. As that section currently stands, it reports the facts without hyperbole or POV, and even ends with the mention that Pacioretty later returned to play again. After Karlsson recovers, we'll see where things go. But I suggest keeping it as is, for now; it's factual, non-POV, and we all know that if it is removed outright, IP editors will simply reinsert anyway after the protection expires. Echoedmyron (talk) 00:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I resent ChakaKong questioning my bias. The article's history shows I've contributed quite a bit of content which is negative towards Cooke. I'm not by any means a fan of Cooke, but I edit Wikipedia solely based upon content merit. In fact, it is actually ChakaKong Wikipedia page which identifies this editor as a Senators fan. BashBrannigan (talk) 01:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You are the one who attempted to remove the information entirely without prior discussion. Me being a Senators' fan has nothing to do with this; there seems to be some consensus expressed that the information is "balanced" and neutral. So what does me being a Senators' fan have to do with anything? ChakaKongtalk 01:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * First, it is perfectly OK to delete content without starting a discussion (see: Be bold) and in fact it was me who started THIS discussion. Second, I was only responding to your unwarranted accusations of my bias, by pointing out your own. Yes, your being a Senator's fan isn't relevant, but don't accuse others of bias. Stick to the facts. I will now not respond to any further comments by you, regardless of content, which do not deal with the article. BashBrannigan (talk) 01:44, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You clearly should have expected resistance when you attempted to whitewash the incident. You only initiated THIS discussion when you didn't get your way. ChakaKongtalk 02:23, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Stop being personal! (see:No personal attacks) BashBrannigan (talk) 02:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I would be happy to simply archive this section too, but I'd rather discuss the merits of the section. Resolute 01:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Billy Coutu

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Which is it? Was his name misspelled Coulture, or changed from that later in life? The article is self-contradictoryTjoeC (talk) 04:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked at the NHL, the SIHR, the Hockey Heritage North sites. None mention the name-changing or misspelling. This is probably original research, so we should delete it. Alaney2k (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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I think that you need to use worlds like allegedly when claiming that marc crawford was laughing after burtuzzi hit moore, i was at that game, close to the canucks bench nobody seemed to be laughing on the bench or in the stands.

Agreed. "Avs defenceman Derek Morris accused Crawford of laughing about the incident." is hardly 'clearly seen'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.56.195 (talk) 23:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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