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Essex High School (Vermont)

Essex High School (EHS) is a public secondary school located in Essex Junction, Vermont. The school's sports team is the Hornets, and the school's colors are blue and gold. Essex High School is the second largest high school after CVU and is the largest secondary technical school in Vermont. Enrollment in 2021 was 1,251. It is ranked #2,672 among all high schools nationwide.

History
The school was established in 1957 as Essex Junction High School. In 1970, a new, larger campus was constructed about 1 mi away, containing both the high school and a technical center. This new campus was named the Essex Junction Educational Center (EJEC), while the former building became Albert D. Lawton Middle School. In the 1990s, the school's name was changed to Essex High School to reflect the two communities it served, Essex and Essex Junction.

The original EJHS building was designed for future expansion by the addition of a second story. However, when more classrooms were needed in the 1980s, new building codes required any renovations to bring the entire old building up to code, at great cost. A new two-story "C wing" and senior courtyard were added to the east side instead. In 2002, a new library and media center were built east of the C wing. In 2014 a small "Maker Space" was opened in the library.

Academics
The school is accredited as a public secondary school by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges and by the Vermont Department of Education. EHS adjoins the Center for Technology, Essex, a technical and vocational school. Students can enroll concurrently in both high school and technical programs; approximately ten percent of students do so each year.

The school has accelerated programs in Mathematics, Science, Social Studies, English, French and Spanish; honors courses in English and Mathematics; and a selection of seventeen Advanced Placement courses. However, the school has repeatedly attempted to remove the Advanced Placement courses from its curriculum. The school also offers media and computer facilities.

In 2008, EHS students earned the county's best math scores on the New England Common Assessment Program test. By 2021, however, the proficiency levels had significantly decreased; across all standardized testing, EHS ranked in the bottom 10% of the state in average math and ELA scores.

Tuition was $11,900 in 2009-2010. This tuition was paid by towns sending students to this public school, sometimes from outside the school district.

Student activities
There are 31 clubs and 18 sports including:

 * The Essex High School Robotics club competes in FIRST Tech Challenge and progressed to the internationals in St. Louis in 2012.
 * The We The People: The Citizen and the Constitution team won the state championship seven times since 2004 and was ranked nationally for five years. The EHS team for this competition disbanded after 2011.
 * In 2005, the programming team won the regional title and was ranked fourth nationally, and ranked third in 1981.
 * The Envirothon team won the state competition in 2007, 2009, and 2010.
 * The Scholar's Bowl Team won the state championship in 2021, 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2010, and 2004.

Athletics
The school has a stadium, track, tennis courts, and several practice fields. The town's indoor hockey rink is located on school grounds. School teams and student athletes have won over 200 Vermont State Championships since 1970. This figure includes 63 individual track records set by various girl and boy athletes.

 * The girls' cross country team has won 18 state championships, and won New England's in 1986, 1987, and 1994. Since 1948, the boys' cross-country teams have won 16 titles, including a New England's crown in 1987, and won five consecutive titles from 2000-2004. Most recently the boys cross country team were state champions in 2018 and the Boys track team won states in 2018 This run culminated in a 4th-place finish at the New England championships in 2004. Essex's boys' and girls' teams have won a total of 36 state titles since 1973.
 * The boys' hockey team won its first Vermont state championship in 1981, and has won it fifteen times since.
 * In the 2003-2004 season, the hockey team went undefeated, winning 23 straight games and the Vermont state title.
 * In 2006, Bill O'Neil was named national boys' hockey coach of the year.
 * The football team has won the state title seven times - 1973, 1981, 1988, 1989, 1992, 2009, and 2021.
 * The cheerleading team has captured the most state championships by any cheerleading team in Vermont, winning a total of 21 state titles since 1986. In 2005, after taking first place at the New England Regional Qualifier, the team traveled to Orlando, Florida, where they placed third out of thirty-one teams in the most competitive national cheerleading competition in the country: the UCA National Cheerleading Championship. They marked VT Cheerleading history as the first team in the state to compete nationally. The team's most recent state titles were claimed in 2008, 2011, 2012, and 2014.
 * The boys' lacrosse team won the state title in 2007, 2008, and 2010.
 * The boys' tennis team won the state title in 1982, 1995, 2011, and 2018.
 * The boys' basketball team won its first state title in 1979, and won again in 1998 and 2010.
 * The boys' rugby team has won four of the last five state championships.
 * The girls' basketball team has won the state title nine times - 1979, 1986, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, and 2006.
 * The co-ed bowling team won the state title in the 2014-15 season.

Controversies

 * In 2022, an English teacher was placed on indefinite leave after being caught on video repeatedly stating the N-word.
 * In 2021, Essex High School was reprimanded after several students shouted racial slurs against an opposing team during an American football match.
 * In 2017, the Essex High School choir teacher at the time voluntarily "surrendered his teaching license" on grounds that he was "alleged to have engaged in inappropriate conduct with a student."
 * On April 12, 2017, Essex High School received a threat from an individual claiming that he intended to harm EHS students with weapons and explosives. However, the incident turned out to be an incident of a swatting event. Two juveniles, including one 14-year-old Vermont boy, were eventually charged in connection to the incident; controversially, the Vermont boy was allowed to return as an EHS student after a period of time.
 * In 2019, Essex High School faced backlash over their handling of a chalk drawing of Pepe the Frog in front of the school. While the Essex High School administration insisted that the drawing was used in a hate-related context, the drawer insisted that the entire ordeal was a "misunderstanding."

Notable faculty

 * Linda K. Myers, member of the Vermont House of Representatives, former cheerleading coach at Essex High School

Notable alumni

 * Brian Dubie, 1977, former Lieutenant Governor of Vermont
 * Michael Dubie, 1978, Adjutant General of Vermont
 * Carissa Gump, 2001, Athlete, 2008 Olympian-Weightlifting
 * Shane Lavalette, 2005, photographer, publisher and editor of Lavalette, and director of Light Work
 * Loung Ung, 1989, Cambodian American author and human-rights activist

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Household Cavalry
The Household Cavalry, in which even the lowliest trooper was once a gentleman, have never used the rank of Sergeant, as it originates from the word servant. I've seen this asserted in any number of places, but never with a credible source.

Sergeant was originally an infantry rank only: no cavalry regiments had sergeants. (Nor did the artillery, for that matter.) All we have here is typical adherence to tradition by one of Britain's most conservative units.

More precisely: British cavalry regiments used to come in two flavours, horse and dragons. Horse regiments were always cavalry, and had no sergeants: dragoons were originally mounted infantry, and so did have sergeants.

By the middle of the eighteenth century, dragoons were indistinguishable from horse in equipment and tactics: however, they were paid less. As a cost-cutting exercise, the Government started converting horse regiments to dragoons: presumably they acquired sergeants at this time, or not long after.

The only horse regiments that escaped this conversion were ancestors of the current Household Cavalry regiments. Hence, no sergeants.

In hierarchical societies, service is not demeaning in itself: what matters is the status of your master and the capacity in which you serve. The word serjeant appeared in the titles of many offices of high social status (serjeant-at-arms, serjeant-at-law, serjeant-major-general), and in grand serjeanty, a form of land tenure under which e.g. the office of Lord High Constable was held.

I therefore submit that it is a myth that the Household Cavalry has no sergeants because sergeant=servant, and ask that it be knocked on the head. Franey 15:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Consistency with other WP articles...
... isn't actually part of the naming conventions. Shouldn't this article be at British Army Other Ranks insignia? Or perhaps British Army non-commissioned rank insignia? Alai 16:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should. British Army Other Ranks rank insignia would be my preference. Repetition maybe, but ORs are a class of people, and they wear insignia other than that of rank. -- Necrothesp 16:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. I originally created this page by adapting the title from U.S. Army enlisted rank insignia, but I appreciate "enlisted ranks" is a misnomer when referring to "other ranks" in the British forces.  Perhaps a change should be proposed? Dainamo 12:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Officers and other ranks
In my 25 years in the British Army, I rarely came across the term 'Officers and other ranks'. The more likely term was 'Officers and soldiers'. I assume that was because it was deemed more acceptable?

RASAM 20:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Variations
While the article does dip into the quagmire that is 'variations' of ranks, there are still many others that could be included:

The bomb or grenade above a Royal Engineers sergeant/staff sergeant's stripes.

The rank of WO ll Quartermaster Sergeant (QM Sgt), could also apply to 'Quartermaster Sergeant Instructor (QMSI). I realise that 'QMSI' is an appointment, not a rank, but so is 'QM Sgt' an appointment.

I seem to remember many years ago seeing a SNCO in the Queen Dragoon Guards (QDG) with four stripes (point at the bottom)and a crown. I think he might have been the Squadron Quartermaster Sergeant (SQMS).

I believe the 'Serjeant' spelling is still in use in the Light Infantry, as are such terms as 'Arms Cote' (Armoury).

I was hoping to find examples of different ranks' duties, so if there are any enthusiasts looking for something to add...

RASAM 20:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the comment regarding QMSI above and this should apply equally to other appointments like Artificer Quarter Master Sergeant (AQMS) and Staff Quarter Master Sergeant (SQMS) - Queen's Regulations refers.

N.B. As an aside "Arms Cote" is still in common usage in the more conservative infantry regiments. (FROGSMILE (talk) 19:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC))

Oddities On Rank Pages
On both this and the Ranks and insignia of NATO Armies Enlisted entry, the table showing British ranks and their insignia seem to have been replaced with Thailand. Any idea what's happened, and where the right insignia have gone? Torak 15:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Some images of chevrons or insignia wouldnt hurt either. J. ORLY? (talk) 01:54, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

British Military Ranks
After seeing it on the page for comparative NATO ranks, I posted on the talk page. Seeming, the NATO Army ranks page has not been edited and these images have spread, despite being wrong. I shall reiterate.
 * British Enlisted ranks are never worn as shoulder-marks. Grades OR-3 to -7 are worn just above the elbow, while the Warrant Officers wear their insignia on the forearm.
 * They are not embroidered directly into the uniform material.
 * The uniform is khaki, not olive drab.
 * The two insignia's for Warrant Officer Class II are the wrong way round in order of seniority.
 * The red ring around the Warrant Officer Class I insignia is only worn by infantry soldiers. Most holding this rank would not have one.
 * The Rank of Conductor is simply an appointment given to those holding the rank of WOI, so shouldn't really be included as it is only used in one corps. That said, the example shown has obviously been shrunk to fit (wrongly) the epaulette, the badge is at least three times the width of that shown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.123.218.105 (talk) 19:22, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

all points above are correct. Non-Commissioned ranks are worn, embroidered onto khaki felt, on the upper arm and Warrant Officer ranks are worn on the lower arm/wrist (either embroidered onto khaki felt, or in Shirt Sleeve Order, a metal badge on a wrist strap). Some units use brassards in Shirt Sleeve Order to preserve the shirt's material. Chest epaulets are worn in current combat dress (CS95) for all ranks, using a "Rank Slide" with the appropriate badge of rank embroidered. 89.243.50.168 (talk) 03:10, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The rank of conductor is shown separately since it is a disintinctive badge due to the wreath and is the most senior appointment. The red outline for WO1s is shown on the British Army website. Should it only apply in the infantry then an edit with a source for the information can bev added. I will reverse the WO2 badges on good faith and my own understanding that this would be correct. Dainamo (talk) 14:51, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Table is very unclear
It's a bit of a mess. Can someone with wikimarkup skills tidy it up? --Dweller (talk) 10:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Would something like this be clearer (and more accessible)? --RexxS (talk) 16:13, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Erm. MUCH BETTER. How's that? No, it's brilliant, thank you. --Dweller (talk) 07:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

 * While you're right Dweller, the table that was/is on the page is unclear, and quite a mess, it is in the same style (ie with the NATO code along the top) as other pages of a similar style (i.e. Military ranks of the Swedish Armed Forces). I'm not saying it doesn't need cleaning up, I'm just suggesting that it should stay of a similar style. Just my opinion. m8e39 10:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Anybody who does any web design will tell you that tables work best when cells of more or less the same size are arranged in the same column, which allows different widths of browser window to best accommodate the cells. The original table with ranks across the top forces every column to have to accommodate the relatively large amount of text in the "Typical Command Size or Appointment" field. With 10 columns, it makes a real mess on narrow screens. It's a no-brainer to transpose the table and have different width columns by using the ranks as row headers instead, leaving just 5 columns to fit onto the screen width. While I can see some value in consistency across articles (not required by MOS, of course), it's not a good idea to stick with bad design choices simply because other articles also have bad design choices. Naturally, that's just my opinion as well. --RexxS (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Put like that, I see why it needs changing. Didn't think about different screen sizes etc. and, of course, I had noticed the "Typical Command Size or Appointment" issue you mentioned. m8e39 06:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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Note that the official coordinates and the written description for this crater contradict each other. The official USGS coordinates place it to the west of Plato, while the written description of this feature require it to be to the south of Plato. Personally I think an error lies with the official coordinates, but I didn't want to leave that impression in the text. So I just mentioned the discrepancy as a note. — RJH 15:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I asked the USGS Astrogeology team about this issue, and their representative said that the correct location was 'Plato A'. The error in the bulletin was due to a mix-up. — RJH 17:25, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Vic-vic

Hello there and welcome to Wikipedia!

I just wanted to comment on your additions to the Yekaterinburg and Sverdlovsk Oblast articles (some of the additions were by anonymous accounts, so I apologize if that was not you).

The information you were trying to add does not conform with the Wikipedia's Spam semi-policy. The links, while obviously useful to the travellers, are of commercial nature. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a travel guide; it's an encyclopedia. My advice would be to turn to Wikitravel, where such information is not only welcome, it's expected.

You are, of course, very welcome to continue contributing to Wikipedia as long as the information you add is encyclopedic. Here are a few links you might find useful:

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I hope this clears any misunderstandings. If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a line at my talk page.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 15:47, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Здравствуйте, Виктор. Как я вижу, вы-таки не очень внимательно прочитали Policies and guidelines, на которые я обратил ваше внимание выше.

Википедия — проект некоммерческий. Если рассуждать как вы, то каждый, кто добавил в какую-либо статью два–три абзаца информации (пусть даже и очень полезной), должен иметь право разместить свою рекламу. К счастью, проект работает не так, иначе каждая статья была бы усыпана ссылками коммерческой направленности.  Поэтому повторю ещё раз: Википедия — проект некоммерческий, построенный на чисто альтруистических началах. Вся информация, которая в Википедии доступна, добавлена сюда волонтёрами. Максимум, чего вы можете ожидать в ответ — это спасибо. Коммерческим линкам в Википедии не место — для этого существуют другие проекты.

Дело вовсе даже не в том, чтобы "рубать" линки, на которые имеется "подозрение" в их коммерческой направленности. Ваши линки, например, ни в чём не подозреваются — их коммерческая направленность очевидна. Поймите, пожалуйста, что это не моя прихоть эти линки удалить; я, как один из администраторов проекта, взял на себя обязанность следить за тем, чтобы policies и guidelines выполнялись. Если я от вас отстану (не рассчитывайте :)), линки уберут другие. Спорить тут бесполезно.  Единственная причина, по которой ваши линки "год стояли никому не мешали" (на самом деле не год, конечно, а всего чуть больше двух месяцев) — это низкая профильность статьи о Екатеринбурге. Тоже самое можно сказать и о большинстве других статей о городах и субъектах Российской Федерации; но конкретно за статьёй о Екатеринбурге и Свердловской области никто особенно не следил. Можете быть уверены, что теперь это изменилось.  Ну неужели вы сами верите в то, что по этим линкам к вам валом повалят клиенты?

Можно было бы ещё согласиться с ссылкой на страницу вашего сайта, содержащей только информацию о городе/аэропорте/и т.п. Важно помнить, что информация эта должна быть энциклопедической.  Большинство же информации на вашем сайте (даже если не принимать во внимание коммерческий аспект) — это информация, более подходящяя для путеводителя (как добраться, что сколько стоит и т.п.). Ещё раз позвольте обратить ваше внимание сюда — What Wikipedia is not — здесь конкретно написано, что Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Для информации, подобной вашей, есть сайт Wikitravel, где вас с радостью примут.

Подводя итоги — я (в очередной раз) удаляю ваши ссылки. Как вы уже могли убедиться, наши российские коллеги (на ru.wikipedia.org) в статье о Екатеринбурге проводят точно такую же политику, что и здесь. Пожалуйста, не добавляйте их обратно — это противоречит сложившейся политике энциклопедии. В противном случае ваш аккаунт будет заблокирован. Если у вас есть вопросы по существу, или вы пожелаете внести свою лепту в развитие Википедии, я буду более чем рад помочь вам на моей странице обсуждения.

С уважением, Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 14:21, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Остальные ссылки я элементарно пропустил. Уже убрал.  Что касается ссылок по всей Википедии, то, как я уже говорил, Википедия — проект, построенный на желании отдельных индивидуумов посвятить своё время её развитию. Кто-то пишет контент, кто-то исправляет грамматику, кто-то ловит вандалов, кто-то следит за чистотой ссылок. Понятно, что писать контент гораздо интереснее, нежели проверять ссылки.  Поэтому что-то где-то может просочиться.  Если статья популярная, такие ссылки долго не задерживаются.  Если нет — то они могут торчать там довольно долго. Если я лично замечаю такие ссылки, то я их, разумеется, удаляю. То же самое относится и другим администраторам и пользователям.

С уважением, —Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 00:33, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Виктор, мне, наверное, не очень хорошо удаётся объяснить вам, в чём всё-таки обстоит дело. "Limited number of external links", как вы верно подметили, вполне позволяется. Ключевым словом здесь, однако, является "limited", которое, однако, означает не то, что если в статье линков нет вообще, то добавить в неё можно практически что угодно. Линки должны также быть энциклопедического содержания. Например, ссылка на официальный сайт Екатеринбурга/Свердловской области — это правильно. Ссылка на сайты законодательных органов или на сайт губернатора/о губернаторе — тоже хорошо.

Пример с Transportation & Accomodation несколько вводит в заблуждение именно своей Accomodation-частью. Это на самом деле не самое удачное название для секции, поскольку собственно об Accomodation много энциклопедического материала написать практически невозможно — как ни крути, получается путеводитель (напоминаю — Wikipedia is not a travel guide). Что касается Transportation, то в эту секцию пойдёт общий справочный материал (в городе есть трамвайные/троллейбусные пути, ходит электричка, развитая автобусная сеть, аэропорт; такой-то и такой-то пассажиро- и грузооборот и т.д. и т.п.). Разнообразным расписаниям, информормации о стоимости проезда и прочей подобной информации в энциклопедии не место, хотя внешняя ссылка мешать никому в данном случае не будет.  Важно только помнить, что ссылка такая должна вести именно на справочный материл, а не, например, сайт компании таксистов.  Разницу уловить не всегда просто, но при определённой сноровке можно.  Кроме того, всё зависит ещё и от количества доступной информации — будь ваш сайт единственным предоставляющим информацию о городе, то может быть на ссылку на него (вернее, на справочную информацию на нём) никто бы так не крысился — на безрыбье, как говорится, и тощий рак сойдёт за жирного лобстера.

Если у меня будет время, я попытаюсь добавить в статью секцию со ссылками, чтобы было понятнее, какая информация приветствуется, а какая — не совсем.

С уважением,

Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 14:40, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

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Здравствуйте, Виктор. Если откровенно, то большого желания вам помогать после всего того, что вы тут делали, у меня нет.  Проблема, однако, не только в этом.  Запись вашего сайта в глобальный спам-фильтр была сделана не мною (хотя и по моей просьбе); поскольку людей, имеющих к нему доступ, не так уж и много.  Теоретически, я мог бы попросить ваш сайт из списка убрать (несмотря на то, что он только что был добавлен), но я не смогу вразумительно объяснить, почему это должно быть сделано, поскольку это будет логически противоречить моему предыдущему запросу.

В качестве утешения могу сказать только то, что на позиционирование вашего сайта в Yahoo, Google et al. включение его в глобальный спам-фильтр Википедии влиять не должно. В качестве предупреждения, бо вы пожелаете поменять хостинг и начать всё заново—всё повторится по тому же сценарию (revert, edit block, several reverts, global spam filter), но только в значительно ускоренном темпе.

Я лично ничего не имею против вашей компании как таковой (в конце концов, вы продаёте не виагру и не разнообразные удлиннители, а вполне полезный сервис), но ваши методы продвижения и раскрутки зачастую оставляют желать лучшего.

С уважением,

—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:00, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

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Oddly, Encyclopedia Britannica 2004 has "Phillippe" (two l's), but most Web citations, including many .edu sites, have the more-likely single l. I'll create a redirect anyway. David Brooks 15:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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 * In Swedish it's pronounced like Moodoo 81.232.122.81 14:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I would say Moo-do. First vowel long, second short. Bamsefar75 20:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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Guy Vander Jagt

Guy Adrian Vander Jagt (August 26, 1931 – June 22, 2007) was a Republican politician from Michigan. He was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives and Chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Vander Jagt was described by President Nixon as "the best public speaker in America," a sentiment echoed by the producer of the Homebuilder's Convention: "I've been doing this for 26 years and have worked with Colin Powell, Margaret Thatcher and George Bush and many other greats and Vander Jagt was by far the best speaker we ever had." Ronald Reagan was quoted as saying "some call me the great communicator but if there was one thing I dreaded during my eight years in Washington it was having to follow Guy Vander Jagt to the podium."

Early life and education
Vander Jagt was born in Cadillac, Michigan, to Marie and Harry Vander Jagt, a Dutch immigrant. Harry was a rancher, and as a youth, Guy worked on the family's 120 acre farm near Cadillac. His talent for public speaking emerged as he began preaching at the Tustin Presbyterian Church while a student at Cadillac High School. He graduated from Hope College in Holland in 1953. While a student at Hope College, he was the state debate champion of Michigan for three years and won the National Oratorical Championship during his senior year. He was also the student body president during his senior year and worked as a radio disc jockey at WHTC.

Vander Jagt went on to attend Yale Divinity School, graduating in 1955 with a B.D. In 1956, he received a Rotary Foundation Fellowship to study for a year at the University of Bonn, Germany.

When he returned to West Michigan, Vander Jagt served as an interim pastor of the Cadillac Congregational Church for a short time, before working at the WWTV TV station as a newscaster and news director. He reportedly memorized the text of each broadcast.

Vander Jagt next returned to school to study law at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., but soon transferred to the University of Michigan Law School, where he received his J.D. in 1960. He began practicing law in Grand Rapids.

State Senate
In 1964, he was elected to the Michigan State Senate.

Following the death of U.S. Senator Patrick V. McNamara in April 1966, Vander Jagt, along with fellow Republicans Robert P. Griffin and Leroy Augenstein, was a leading contender for appointment to the vacant US Senate seat. Michigan Governor George Romney set guidelines for determining a consensus candidate, including a minimum of 65% support. When it became clear that neither man would meet that threshold, Vander Jagt withdrew and threw his support behind Griffin, who was appointed to the Senate in May. In turn, Vander Jagt entered the race to succeed Griffin in Michigan's 9th congressional district, which stretched from his home in Cadillac along the Lake Michigan shoreline to Muskegon and the suburbs of Grand Rapids.

Vander Jagt ran in two elections on November 8, 1966–a special election for the balance of Griffin's fifth term, and a regular election for a full two-year term. He won both handily and was reelected 12 times, never facing serious opposition in a district widely considered to be the most Republican district in Michigan.

Committees
One of his earliest appointments was to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics during the development of the U.S. space program and leading to the Moon landing. On the Conservation and National Resources Subcommittee, he worked to establish Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore near his home, although he later had cause to note that park mismanagement illustrated "one of the most reprehensible aspects of the land acquisition process." As a member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, President Richard Nixon sent him on trade missions to Africa and Asia. Vander Jagt was appointed to the Ways and Means Committee in 1974 where he served on the Trade and Select Revenue Measures Subcommittees. He continued to serve on this committee throughout his House career. He also served on the Joint Tax Committee of the U.S. House and U.S. Senate.

National leadership
In 1980, Vander Jagt was chosen by presidential nominee Ronald Reagan to deliver the keynote address at the Republican National Convention in Detroit. He delivered the address on Wednesday July 16 without notes, relying entirely on memory. He was being considered as a potential vice presidential candidate. Using momentum from the convention speech, Vander Jagt ran for House Minority Leader after John J. Rhodes of Arizona decided not to run for the post again, but lost to Bob Michel of Illinois. Vander Jagt served as Chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee from 1975 until he left the House. Vander Jagt made a young Newt Gingrich the chairman of a Republican long-range planning committee before Gingrich was even sworn in, catapulting him ahead of sitting committee members.

Repeal of the Twenty-Second Constitutional Amendment
In the late 1980s, Vander Jagt helped lead an effort to repeal the Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which limits a President to serve two terms. "Ronald Reagan is one of the greatest American Presidents of all time, and I want to keep him on the job," he explained in 1986, in a fundraising letter to raise funds for such a campaign. In 1986, and again in 1987, 1989, and 1991, he sponsored such an amendment in the House.

Later life
In 1992, Vander Jagt's district was renumbered as the 2nd district. For the first time since his initial run in 1966, he faced a serious primary opponent in Herman Miller executive and fellow Dutch-American Pete Hoekstra. While Hoekstra had never run for office before, he made a name for himself by riding his bicycle across the district. Hoekstra also claimed that Vander Jagt had been in Congress for too long; Vander Jagt had won his first election when Hoekstra was 13 years old.

Hoekstra scored a major upset, winning by over six points. He dominated his base in the district's more populated southern portion, including Muskegon and the Grand Rapids suburbs. Vander Jagt's margins in the northern portion weren't enough to close the gap.

Vander Jagt returned to private law practice with the Cleveland-based law firm BakerHostetler. He died from pancreatic cancer at a hospice facility in Washington on June 22, 2007, at the age of 75.

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American Broadcasting
The information here on American broadcasts has to be completely re-done. Disney (ABC/ESPN)no longer owns any rights, NBC has the "network" deal, and OLN has the "cable" deal. I'd re-write it, but I don't know many of the details.

Pre-Regina Radio Broadcasts
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... if this thing actually survived the 2005-6 season, and, if it did, was there a champion? If not, I seriously doubt that there will be a 2006-7 season! Rlquall 02:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

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Does anyone know who the only player to play in the SPHL before making it to the NHL? I haven’t been able to find any answer. 2601:249:167F:5450:F195:894D:2ED:862B (talk) 09:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Scott Darling is the only one I know of, but it wasn't because he wasn't skilled enough for a higher. He had outside personal issues early in his career so he had to work his way back. Yosemiter (talk) 20:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Jonathan Steuer

Jonathan Steuer (born December 3, 1965, in Wisconsin) is a pioneer in online publishing.

Steuer led the launch teams of a number of early and influential online publishing ventures, including Cyborganic, a pioneering online/offline community, HotWired, the first ad-supported web magazine, and c|net's online operations. Steuer's article "Defining virtual realities: Dimensions determining telepresence", is widely cited in academic and industry literature. Originally published in 1992 in the Journal of Communication 42, 73-9, it has been reprinted in Communication in the Age of Virtual Reality (1995), F. Biocca & M. R. Levy (Eds.).

Steuer's vividness and interactivity matrix from that article appeared in Wired circa 1995 and has been particularly influential in shaping the discourse by defining virtual reality in terms of human experience, rather than technological hardware, and setting out vividness and interactivity as axial dimensions of that experience. Steuer's notability in diverse arenas as a scholar, architect, and instigator of new media is documented in multiple, independent, non-trivial, published works.

Steuer has been a consultant and senior executive for a number of other online media startups: CNet, ZDTV, Sawyer Media Systems and Scient.

Steuer has an AB in philosophy from Harvard University, and a PhD in communication theory & research from Stanford University. There, his doctoral dissertation concerned Vividness and Source of Evaluation as Determinants of Social Responses Toward Mediated Representations of Agency.

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He is married to Majorie Ingall. A longtime resident of the Bay Area, today Steuer resides in New York City.

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Club Sports
ACHA Hockey is usually considered club hockey, but what impresses me is that it's a much higher level of competition and organization than most people think of when they think of club sports. Club sports used to be scrabbling together games against whoever you could get - high school teams, JV teams, amateur teams, or whoever. This level of club sports does exist, but the ACHA seems to be something quite different - real intercollegiate competition, and not just within a few miles of home. The ACHA seems more like a parallel organization like the NAIA.

I know most schools don't list club sports on their athletics web page, but do some schools consider their ACHA hockey team to be a varsity team?--RLent 16:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

 * No, ACHA teams are club sports at their school. that being said, the ACHA is prob. the best thing to happen to ice hockey in the US in the past 20 years. it has organized entire generations into highly competative leagues whereas without it they would have languished in bad leagues beer leagues or not played at all. Dirk Pitt 20:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually some ACHA teams are considered part of the Athletic Department and varisty, in ACHA Division I, Lindenwood University's team is in the athletic department as well as Scranton. In Division II, Davenport University hockey is in the athletic department, in Division III Alvernia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.221.192 (talk) 04:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

 * It seems that most of the schools the consider ACHA teams apart of their athletic Dprts are mostly non-NCAA schools, I believe it dates back to the NAIA sponsoring hockey a long time ago. --Bhockey10 (talk) 07:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

After seeing this flagged with the notability issue I wanted to reach out and address some things and hopefully ensure that this doesn't become an issue. Different schools in the ACHA fall under different categories at their schools. As it is pointed out, some even consider them as their "varsity" program. For the most part, our members are officially considered to be "Non-Varsity" or "Virtual Varsity" teams. Perhaps 10, 15 or 20 years ago the club tag would have been fitting for most member teams, but the organization that has come down from the ACHA board all the way to our newest teams has added structure to each level and has truly set our members apart from many typical "club" sports. Ultimately ACHA teams are non-NCAA as opposed to anything else, it just depends on the type of support they get from their individual schools in many cases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ACHAPR (talk • contribs) 22:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Relationship with NCAA Hockey?
This article doesn't address what seems to me to be the most obvious question: how does this relate to NCAA hockey? All of the language used to describe the ACHA here would apply equally well to NCAA hockey, so what is it that distinguishes the ACHA from the NCAA? I suspect that the ACHA is, or at least once was, an organization of club teams, but the ACHA's webpage and this article never really clarify that. I would suggest a high-level section titled something like "Relationship Between ACHA and NCAA Hockey". --Rkstafford 20:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

 * uh, no. the ACHA is an organizing body, like the NCAA National Collegiate Athletic Association and the NAIA National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics. but unlike them the ACHA only regulated college ice hockey and only does so with teams that are not varsity, meaning they arnt funded by the school as a sport, although they are sometimes funded as a club. comparing the NCAA and the ACHA would be like comparing Ford and Toyota you can do it. But why?Dirk Pitt 20:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

 * uh, no. The ACHA is nothing like the NCAA and thus should not have a wiki article. They do not regulate college ice hockey, only the NCAA does.  ACHA allows teams to play under a banner that is all.  A comparison would be any house league which creates a league for teams to play in.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Our relationship with the NCAA is separate. As is noted above, the ACHA is a governing body for collegiate hockey teams that are not NCAA teams with their schools. It is as simple as that. Non varsity/virtual varsity/club etc hockey teams at colleges and universities across the nation can apply for membership just as an NAIA school could eventually apply for membership as an NCAA school. ACHAPR —Preceding undated comment added 22:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Club sport. That is all.... sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 23:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

userbox
I created a userbox for all those ACHA players out there just copy and paste the following code into your userpage. User:UBX/ACHA Hockey result:

Men's Division III Map
I don't know how to fix this, so I'll alert others. The Men's Division III map isn't accurate. It is missing the University of Nebraska, a member of the NCCHA. 76.84.22.27 (talk) 18:40, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

All the maps need updated before the season starts, there's some new teams and also some existing ones moved divisions. Bhockey10 (talk) 19:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Quality of Play
This article reads like it came from ACHA's public affairs dept. I have an issue with the following statement made "ACHA teams attract considerable on-campus attention and the quality of play is considered quite high, especially in the top division."

This is simply biased nonsense. As someone who has seen every level of hockey played, and coached at many different levels, ACHA hockey is not even close to being on par with Major Junior (CHL) hockey, and probably equates to Junior B in overall skill level. Have seen a number of ACHA games, mainly in Tucson and Tempe AZ, and again, the quality of play does not impress at all. I would move that the above statement be removed from the article due to bias, or provide credible hockey sources that echo the sentiment expressed as the sourced nhl.com article is merely quoting personnel involved in the ACHA. 12:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.134.89 (talk)
 * You're reason for removing seems more opinionated than the statement. It is properly cited so it can stay. That quote doesn't compare ACHA to Major Junior hockey at all. It just states that the quality is quite high and teams attract on campus attention that most other club sports don't. Top ACHA teams are on par with NCAA DIII and most of the ACHA DI teams have higher attendance than NCAA DIII teams. Penn State is leaving the ACHA for NCAA but even before the announcement the PSU team was one of the few sports with significant coverage in the school's paper along with basketball and football. I just skimmed the article but if you find anywhere where the ACHA is compared to Major Junior hockey that's probably a location of vandalism and needs to be fixed. Bhockey10 (talk) 19:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

 * "Top ACHA teams are on par with NCAA DIII" and how did you come to this conclusion?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 21:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

This page should be deleted
Reason - Fails to meet wiki standards. College hockey is covered by NCAA. ACHA is not professional nor top level amature. NCAA D1 and D3 may be notable, but not ACHA

To Bhockey10 - Let me make this clear. Lets say I start a 5 year old boys hockey league in Austin Texas. Can I create a wiki article for that league? No, why? Because it is not worthy of being in an encyclopedia. WIkipedia creates standards and policys which are agreed by not just one person but by many, highlighting what should and should no be in an encylcopedia. This community has set a stardard for hockey which is a player has to have played 100 games at or above the echl level to be notable. ECHL is not that high a level if you are to think about it in comparison to the best hockey players in the world. This standard applies not only to stand alone pages, but to notable lists as well. Going back to my 5 year old boy league. This league does not meet the standard of wikipedia. Under this same standard the ACHA falls short. Under guidelines a strong case can be made to have this page removed. The ACHA is not a pro league and is not a top amature league. This is covered by the page which speaks to NCAA hockey. Do you see how this can now be a problem? Every hockey league in the world can create a wiki page and create a list of 'notable' people. What would happen to the creditablity of wikipedia if this were to happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The NHL would appear to believe the ACHA is noteworthy. (<--this link is already used as a citation in the ACHA article.) The NHL has even promoted the ACHA championships via their social media account.  And the claim that college hockey is covered by NCAA is specious.  Unlike basketball, football, track & field, etc., for a great many schools the ACHA the highest level of ice hockey available.  I'm not talking schools nobody's ever heard of; among the ten 4-year public/private institutions with the highest enrollment, six compete in the ACHA with no NCAA hockey program above it.  Just last season it was 7 of 10 (Penn State created their NCAA hockey program this year -- nearly all of their team's upperclassmen were ACHA players last season).  Both the men's and women's ice hockey teams representing Team USA in international competition at the Winter World University Games are comprised entirely of ACHA players.  Additionally, it seems obvious that if a much lower league like the NAIH is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia page, then the ACHA is as well.  Perhaps the content of this page could be improved; but the claim that the ACHA is not noteworthy enough to deserve a page to begin with is entirely without merit.
 * Based on the above, and per the removal guidelines in Template:Notability, I have removed the 'notability' tag. In its place I have put the seemingly more appropriate Template:Primary_sources.
 * Fishbert (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

The ACHA is the premier governing body - or league, if you prefer - for hundreds of collegiate hockey players across the nation. We have been working for over 20 years and have not only grown year-to-year, but have graduated a number of teams and alumni to the NCAA level. There are countless more schools who do not have the ability to have an NCAA varsity program and the ACHA allows for this. Considering that the primary draw of players comes from outside major junior leagues (CHL, USHL, NAHL), there is an expected drop off when comparing NCAA teams and ACHA teams. Therefore the same comparaison could be made when considering "notable players". Having a player sign a professional contract and succeed is awfully notable for just about anyone in any sport no matter which way you view it. Playing a certain number of games is a fair argument and perhaps should be excercised here, but we're proud of each and every professional player that comes from developing in the ACHA, just as the NCAA is certainly proud of every alumni that makes the NHL. ACHAPR —Preceding undated comment added 22:26, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "The ACHA is the premier governing body - or league..." Incorrect, the NCAA is the premier governing body.  Furthermore, wiki policy is clear, this page does not meet the standard.  Remember this is a CLUB sport.  In any event, you should not shoot the messanger, if you don't like the policy then have it changed.  If not, then follow it.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 02:06, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

There are Wikipedia pages for other collegiate club sport organizations, including National Club Baseball Association, the National Intercollegiate Rodeo Association, and a number of College rugby club organizations like the Ivy Rugby Conference, the Atlantic Coast Rugby League, Southeastern Collegiate Rugby Conference, East Coast Rugby Conference, amongst others, I'm sure. So, clearly, there is precedent for "just" club athletics to be considered notable on Wikipedia. On top of that, the ACHA is definitely one of the largest, organized, and established club sports organizations, with over 20 years of history, 400+ teams spread across three divisions, and a multitude of conferences, which all have Wikipedia articles of their own. I'm sorry, but that's all clearly notable enough, despite what some random editor with an axe to grind may have to say. RPH (talk) 01:36, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Let's use your poorly designed argument. The city of New York peewee house league has over 400 teams. This equates in to thousands of players. Then they should have a wiki page as well? hmmm...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 21:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Notable players section
TO: 198.84.241.55, please assume good faith toward myself as well as the other editors. You have been Bold, the action has been reverted by myself and other editors, before continuing to remove the section, it is time for a civil discussion. See BRD Cycle. Please discuss before we mass-deleting sections, as I've said before, there's three types of players on the list:
 * One: The notable players section does have some players that meet the notability standards for stand-alone articles (they have their own articles!) Those players should 100% be included.
 * Two: Players that have had extended careers in minor pro hockey, or in Europe and are close to meeting the 100+ game standard. I personally think those should be included but I am open to a civil discussion here on the article talk page between you, me, and other interested users.
 * Three: Some players have played only a handful of games in minor pro hockey. I don't have an opinion either way, they can be kept since they played some pro hockey or they can be removed from the list.

 * There are only TWO players that have a wiki page that are on that list. ONLY ONE meets wiki standards, while that other only played a handful of games in the ECHL.
 * Therefore, the rest of the players do not meet the standard, and thus, should not be included. If you wish to revise the list to only include the ONE person, please feel free.  However, please do not re-add those players who do not meet the standard of 100 ECHL games. Best
 * I kept the players with articles (their individual notability is a separate issue not for this talk page or discussion); players that have played in the highest level of their respective country's league; and long-time minor leaguers (mostly ECHL or its predecessors that could have articles. Bhockey10 (talk) 02:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

 * AAHL is not even close to the ECHL. Turkey and Poland are not notable leagues.  Sorry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 23:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

ALSO TO: 198.84.241.55... You are throwing around Wikipedia notability guidelines without appearing to understand them yourself. As stated quite clearly in the notability guidelines: "These notability guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list. They do not limit the content of an article or list." I have reverted your changes to the notable players section based on this improper application of Wikipedia notability guidelines to justify article content removal. Fishbert (talk) 20:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Turkey and Poland. I don't need to say more.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 23:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * You -do- need to say more, actually... saying more is a rather critical part of having a civil discussion with other editors (which has been asked of you in regards to your persistent content removing edits). As was pointed out earlier by another editor, in keeping with the BRD Cycle, you have been Bold, your edits have been reverted (by multiple editors), and now it is time for a civil discussion.  Dropping token comments in the talk page (such as "it's Turkey and Poland. Sorry." ... [-delete-]) does not equate to having a civil discussion.  To avoid this descending into an edit war, please stop the disruptive editing practice of persistently and unilaterally removing page content (un-reverting multiple other editors) without FIRST having a civil discussion and allowing the community to arrive at a consensus.Fishbert (talk) 09:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Please follow wiki policy. Need I say more?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 13:13, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, please tell us which wiki policy gives you free reign to forego civil discussion per the BRD Cycle and persist with disruptive editing. As has been pointed out before, the notability guidelines you've frequently bandied about apply to pages themselves; not to page content.  If there is some other guideline you are attempting to adhere to with your disruptive behavior, perhaps a civil discussion here in the talk page is a better way to communicate this to the rest of us.  A good outcome of civil discussion may be to clearly define a standard for inclusion/exclusion of players to the list in question.  But as it stands right now, per the disruptive editing guidelines, it is inappropriate for you to continue to bull-headedly un-revert the other editors who have tried to engage in a such a civil discussion with you about the changes you are intent on pushing through.Fishbert (talk) 01:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

 * How about you READ the entire HISTORY of the discussion and NOT JUMP IN and cherry pick. If you did, you would note that WIKI POLICY is clear.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 12:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Creating a page standard inclusion/exclusion criteria for "notable players in professional leagues" section
In an attempt to resolve the disruptive editing that's been going on with this page, here is an explicit section where we can discuss civilly as a community the question of who should and should not be included on the list of "notable players in professional leagues". As has been pointed out before... 1) general wikipedia notability guidelines do not apply to page content; indeed, page content standards should be allowed to be more loose and open (to a degree) than page creation standards; and 2) the BRD Cycle clearly indicates that discussion in an effort to achieve consensus should occur before any further disruptive editing takes place; it is not appropriate to drop one-liner decrees in the talk page and continue to push the same edits on the article page, we should be working together in here, not fighting with the edit button.Fishbert (talk) 01:45, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

I feel the name of the section, "Notable players in professional leagues", may be misleading. I don't think it was ever intended as a claim that the players are notable as an absolute themselves (as in, deserving of their own individual wikipedia article), but that they have been note-worthy within their professional league. The metrics framework of the wikipedia general notability guidelines may still be of some use to us here... perhaps we can draw a line that for a player to be considered note-worthy in their professional league (even if it is a league in Turkey or Poland or wherever), they need to play in at least 100 games to show they are not just a flash in the pan in that league. And if they play in multiple leagues (as many in the list now appear to have done), perhaps we should say that they need to play at least 100 games in any one single professional league to show they are not just "bar hopping" around different leagues.Fishbert (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Here is the problem. This policy ALREADY is in place, as it has been said before,it is the 100 game standard at the ECHL level.  However, YOU have failed to follow that policy, and as a result, YOU are trying to create your own.  HOW ABOUT YOU START FOLLOWING POLICY which clearly STATES that it DOES apply to LISTS and PAGES .  Thank you  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 12:01, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

 * The Wikipedia notability guidelines (see the direct link I posted previously) explicitly state they apply to articles and list articles only, and that they do not apply to page content. The list you continue to disruptively edit, rather than discuss civilly, is page content and as such does not fall under the Wikipedia general notability guidelines you continue to hide behind in pushing your unilateral disruptive edits.  Another editor has previously warned you on your talk page about trying to apply Wikipedia policy that it is obvious that you do not understand.  On my talk page you have claimed that BHockey10 and yourself have reached an agreement via civil discussion upon a standard for the list content, but reading this talk page (especially when taken in the context of accompanying edits to the article) it is clear that there has been very little civil discussion taking place, and that no agreement has been reached (indeed, you falsely accuse BHockey10 of engaging in an edit war over the content you claim to have reached agreement over).  As myself and other editors have implored you repeatedly, participate in a civil discussion here in the Talk page BEFORE making further disruptive edits to the page content (token comments dropped in the Talk page accompanied by continued disruptive edits is not a civil discussion, and is not per the BRD cycle [see the direct link BHockey10 posted previously]).  This is a community effort where we must work together; it is not your personal page to mold and shape as you see fit in a unilateral manner.Fishbert (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

 * This has already been discussed. Please see history, and do not jump in claiming that you know better.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 13:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I have seen the history. What I see is an attempt by BHockey10 at a civil discussion, followed by your accusation of that editor conducting an edit war because he wouldn't just let you have your way.  I don't see any consensus on a page standard for including/excluding players on that list.  What I do see quite clearly is an openly hostile attitude from you toward working together with others to improve an article (this attitude is evident here, in page edit comments, and on user talk pages; your interaction regarding the ACHA with TheOriginalSoni on your own talk page—which you removed earlier today [April 7, 2013]—is probably the best example).  That is precisely the intent of this section of the article talk page; to work together with others to improve the article.  You may either participate in this process civilly and in good-faith, or you may continue being a disruptive editor (as mentioned on your user talk page, you clearly tick the boxes of being tendentious, not engaging in consensus-building, and rejecting or ignoring community input) and continuing to have your disruptive edits reverted per the "dealing with disruptive editors" guidelines.Fishbert (talk) 18:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Blind Editing
Dear Fishbert and Bhockey10, have you even checked the list of notable players to see if it is correct? I have! Please explain why you keep adding Nick Pappas to the list, when his stats are incorrect and he is the only listed player on hockeydb for his acha team! Furthermore, you both have added him several times, and if you take a look at his dates, it says he played from 1995 - 90. HOw is this possible? Do you even check what you're editing, or do you just like enganging in edit wars?

 * Nick Pappas (whoever he is) may or may not be appropriate to include in the list; same as the other players you keep unilaterally removing from the list. Reverting your disruptive edits is not the same as declaring someone is correctly included; it is asserting that the reason given for exclusion—that the individuals do not meet Wikipedia notability guidelines—is invalid, as the policy clearly states it does not apply to page content.  I have attempted to spark a discussion above to create a clear and defined page standard for who should and should not be included in the list.  I encourage you to participate (civilly and in good-faith... not something I've seen from you in here thus far) before continuing to press your unilateral disruptive edits.Fishbert (talk) 20:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

 * You have failed to address the issue - like always. Please explain why you keep adding cleary incorrect information.  Do you think this is helpful?  Instead of reverting my edits, why don't you check to see what is being reverted is correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I have corrected the date typo and removed a semi-pro team from the "Nick Pappas" entry of the list. What is listed there now appears to be entirely accurate, according to the previously-cited source.Fishbert (talk) 18:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I rv the page, because the info on Nick Pappas is incorret. Please see hockeydb.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

 * The info on Nick Pappas was correct per previously-cited source (hockeydb) and you removed a lot more than just Nick Pappas. You are using this one player as an excuse to further push your disruptive edits.  Participate in civil discussion on this talk page; do not continue to be a disruptive editor.Fishbert (talk) 20:55, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Wiki policy is clear, many players in the list are not notable. Stop adding your name.  Further failor to follow policy will lead to a block request.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 21:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

 * As has been pointed out to you -repeatedly- and by -multiple editors- (one of which made the point on your talk page, that portion of which you later deleted), you are applying a policy incorrectly. Wikipedia guidelines on notability state quite clearly, "They [Wikipedia notability guidelines] do not limit the content of an article or list."  Stop being a disruptive editor; engage in civil discussion in the Talk page so that the community can arrive at consensus on the article content.Fishbert (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


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Talk:Canadian Professional Hockey League

Old vs modern.
The article certainly didn't deserve deletion because of the league that actually did exist, but the list of leagues would be awfully damned crowded if Wikipedia put up listings for every pipe dream whipped up by bored promoters. RGTraynor 18:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

crowded wikipedia?
Seriously, why is this a concern? Wiki is not paper. -- Geo Swan 23:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

pipe dream of a bored promoter?
This effort was serious enough for the CBC National news to broadcast regular progress reports. Hockey fans were in withdrawal. Some saw this league as a serious hope to provide a Stanley Cup playoff. This wasn't the most important Sports story of 2004. Did it make the top dozen? No. Top couple of dozen? Maybe not. Top one hundred? I don't know. But, to be encyclopedic, shouldn't the wikipedia include information across the range importance, provided it is verifiable? -- Geo Swan 23:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Pull up the history and ask yourself, in a bloated article, where the information about this "effort" actually was? Where are the names of the organizers?  Did any players sign up with them, and if so, whom?  Were any franchises ever actually given out?  Any owners identified?  The website is long gone, but you can pull it up out of the Wayback Machine, and it has no information at all on it.  Google it and the overwhelming number of the 416 hits are from the 1920s version, mirrors of the Wiki article or people speculating on various bulletin boards about how nice it would be for there to be a Canadian-only professional hockey league.  I've found two hits dealing with an equally obscure IIHF calling the CPHL a "faceless, nameless organization" they were unable to contact.  If they actually conned some bored and hockey-starved CBC reporter to give them some ink, more power to them, but it doesn't make them notable.

 * Nor does the article as it was written contain a single verifiable, pertinent fact. It rambles on speculatively about the hopes and dreams of the unspecified organizers, suggests a few cities in which they had hoped to place teams, talks about how popular hockey is in Canada, and touches on the genuine controversy over the failure of the Stanley Cup trustees to put the Cup up for grabs during the lockout year.  All well and good for an op ed piece in a newspaper, but an encylopedia article it isn't.

 * Finally, read the earliest versions of the site, all from an unregistered IP address with no other contributions to Wikipedia. It's blatantly self-promotive.  RGTraynor 03:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Was there a 1929-1930 season?
According to this source there was a 1929-1930 season for the CPHL. But according to this source, there was not. Any ideas? Flibirigit 14:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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CHL Announces Conference Alignment
The league’s Board of Governors has approved the following conference alignment for the 2010-11 season: North
 * Bloomington PrairieThunder
 * Colorado Eagles
 * Dayton Gems
 * Evansville IceMen
 * Fort Wayne Komets
 * Missouri Mavericks
 * Quad City Mallards
 * Rapid City Rush
 * Wichita Thunder

South
 * Allen Americans
 * Arizona Sundogs
 * Bossier-Shreveport Mudbugs
 * Laredo Bucks
 * Mississippi RiverKings
 * Odessa Jackalopes
 * Rio Grande Valley Killer Bees
 * Texas Brahmas
 * Tulsa Oilers

READ MORE:Central Hockey League Announces Conference Alignment for 2010-11

--ilamb94 (talk) 18:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

 * What are we doing with the IHL wikipedia page? This reads merger of leagues more than affiliation. It looks like the IHL merged into the CHL to me. Bhockey10 (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

CHL/IHL Two Year Agreement
Did the IHL merge with the CHL or did the IHL fold? Merging two leagues together and a league folding are both different. The CHL page keeps changing all the time. 174.252.76.29 (talk) 11:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * At the time, it was claimed to be a cooperative agreement or a merger (depending on whose website and press releases you credited), and the IHL stated that it would maintain its own existence. The old IHL teams promptly claimed to be "CHL" teams - the Komets, at about two months, held out the longest - and the IHL offices and website shut down in short order.  No IHL personnel went to work for the CHL.   Ravenswing   13:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

To be honest I don't know because mostly every hockey editor is an administrator. Stay away from editing hockey articles. It's not worth it. Edit baseball articles only.Phila Flyers Fan (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This comment makes no sense whatsoever. But if you would rather edit baseball articles, feel free, although you will find if you start to do so that the baseball articles likewise have editors who choose wording and interpretations which will often differ from yours.   Ravenswing   13:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Instead of saying that the league merged with the International Hockey League and the effect was for the IHL's Bloomington, Dayton, Evansville, Fort Wayne and Quad City franchises to join the CHL and the IHL quietly folded thereafter, how about this:

 * On June 1, 2010, the CHL announced that it would enter a two year collaboration agreement with the International Hockey League with four teams from the IHL joining the CHL which are the Bloomington PrairieThunder the Dayton Gems, the Fort Wayne Komets and the Quad City Mallards and having the IHL suspending play while maintaining it's operations while their franchises play in the CHL. On May 17, 2012, the two year collaboration agreement ended with the Evansville, Fort Wayne and Quad City franchises surviving and the Bloomington, Dayton franchises folding. The Bloomington PraireThunder was replaced by a new franchise that was under contract by the CHL, the Bloomington Blaze. The Evansville and Fort Wayne franchises joined the ECHL while the Quad City Mallards remained in the CHL. With the ending of the two year collaboration agreement, the CHL dropped to 11 teams for the 2012-13 season and the IHL folded for good.

 * I approve of the tweaking of the UHL article, but I think 2012 is the proper year when the IHL officially folded which is why I used suspended play in 2010 while still in business during the collaboration agreement until the agreement ended. Phila Flyers Fan (talk) 18:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The IHL league offices closed, and the website went dark, within two months of the "agreement." That's going out of business by anyone's standard, and the notion that the passing of a certain date on a forgotten piece of paper had any impact one way or another would simply be contrary to the facts.   Ravenswing   21:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And here we go with the Hersheybearsfan sock puppeteer again. It isn't worth arguing with him, he gets hung up on very mundane details and then tries to overly complicate the article and tries to sock to get his way. Anyways he has been blocked for continuing to sock puppet. And looking closer it looks like the original IP is also the same user. -DJSasso (talk) 14:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

To make info as short as possible, I proposed this about CHL/IHL effect.
 * On June 1, 2010, the league announced that four teams from the International Hockey League would join the CHL. The IHL's Bloomington, Dayton, Fort Wayne and Quad City franchises joined the CHL and the IHL ceased operations.

Merge should be taken out of paragraph as the two leagues didn’t merge.71.188.74.12 (talk) 12:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And blocked for again evading your block and sock puppeting. Do you understand that being blocked means you can't edit wikipedia at all. If you wish to edit you need to request an unblock. Otherwise you will continue to be blocked. -DJSasso (talk) 13:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Some people just are doomed to march through life unable to grasp a clue.   Ravenswing   17:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Fort Worth Brahmas
Yes, a FB page (the team seems to have THREE) and a fan forum I just looked over were dripping with gloom. That being said, the team has made no announcement on its website. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram hasn't said a word. The league hasn't made any changes to its website, nor announcements on the subject. Until a reliable source says that the team has folded, the team's status here shouldn't change.   Ravenswing   07:35, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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– With the league being defunct for seven years now, it is doubtful as to whether or not this 1992-2014 league is still the primary usage of the name. Therefore, I suggest we re-add the date range (currently a redirect) and move the disambiguation page to the primary league page, so that all leagues which have gone by that name will stand equally (which they all do, as neither exists anymore) Tom Danson (talk) 15:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Central Hockey League → Central Hockey League (1992–2014)
 * Central Hockey League (disambiguation) → Central Hockey League
 * Oppose, the |Central_Hockey_League_(1951-1960)|Central_Hockey_League_(1931%E2%80%931935)|Central_Hockey_League_(junior)|Central_Hockey_League_(1963-1984)|Central_Hockey_League_(1925-1926)|Central_Hockey_League_(disambiguation) pageviews indicate a clear primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 19:50, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Clearly the primary topic. -DJSasso (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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This article need to be translated to english, manually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DownUndr (talk • contribs) 19:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have tried to do so, and also to upgrade it a bit.EA210269 (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

DEL Logo
the DEL has a new logo, can someone please update this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.0.75 (talk) 00:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:International Independent Hockey League

Encyclopedic tone
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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Warren County Canal/archive1

Warren County Canal
Self-nom. The story of a short branch of the Miami and Erie Canal in southwest Ohio. I started this on April 15, 2005, and it was today featured on the main page's Did you know? feature. It won't break the record for speediest time from creation to featured status (see Wikipedia Signpost/2005-04-11/Speed feature) but I hope it is ready. It has a bibliography, much of it linked to transcriptions available on line. It is a thorough account of its short existance. Before anyone asks, no, I don't have any photographs or any way to post them if I did. Finally, I'd like to thank User:Bobblewik who kindly metrified my measurements. PedanticallySpeaking 15:52, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * This article is pretty good, but would it be at all possible to get a picture? It would really help the reader get a sense of the place. This is not an objection. Meelar (talk) 18:25, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support The content and presentation are nicely balanced, references excellent. Maybe one of our WP map and diagram makers could help, as it is hard to picture it. Time period was before photography was very widepread. Vaoverland 19:26, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I was thinking a photo of the area today, but a diagram and map would also be very helpful. Meelar (talk) 19:29, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Pretty much bullet-proof by my standards. I concur with User:Meelar that a diagram or a map of the canal itself would be helpful. Phils 19:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * object a) you state that it consumed water at [..] 1800 cubic feet per minute (850 L/s) [..]. Bogen says it was 2000 cubic feet[..] which kind of implies Bogen was clearly wrong. Could you give the source of the other claim and the reason why it's more certain.  Possibly you could just say "between 1800 and 2000 cubic feet per minute."  and give the source of each claim in a footnote.  This continues through the article (forty-acre (162,000 m²) reservoir vs. forty-five acre (182,000 m²) lake) In any case, it would be best to try to clear this up.  b) it would be helpful to be able to relate which reference relates to which section of text.  You could use "invisible references" or footnotes to help with this. Mozzerati 19:48, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)
 * I would always support greater referencing, but 2000 is well within the range of simple rounding of a more accurate figure. Considering significant figures, variability, and measurement error, asking for more precision where it might not be available is asking for false information. - Taxman 20:28, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I cited the differing opinions. I listed Josiah Morrow's figures first, because he was closer to the scene than the other sources.  However, when he wrote his book, the canal had been out of business for three decades so exact figures probably aren't obtainable without looking through the official papers of the Canal Commissioners and the Board of Public Works, assuming they still exist.  PedanticallySpeaking 15:14, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll try to make a map, if I can figure out the route. --SPUI (talk) 20:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm having some trouble with the map. Can someone provide some information, namely:
 * Which parts of the canal were later used for railroads?
 * For the parts that weren't used for railroads, exactly where did it cross other features like roads?
 * --SPUI (talk) 21:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Neutral Object – no map, no photo. == 20:40, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Map has been added; I got lucky and found a map in the Library of Congress American Memory Collection that shows it. --SPUI (talk) 05:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Will support fully if a photo is added. I have decided to cast a neutral vote, as an image is not absolutely necessary for a FA. == 16:46, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Does an aerial photo count? Not that it will actually show anything... --SPUI (talk) 15:38, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * After adding a map and dealing with Mozzeratti's objections, you've got my support. Meelar (talk) 01:04, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)


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