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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject/Inappropriate projects

The floor is open to discussion. Radiant_* 10:54, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Rankings
This proposal is simply awful on two counts. The very idea of ranking Wikipedia editors is anti-wiki; this is nothing like barnstars. This proposal is also framed in terms of silly Star Trek badges and ranks; see Fancruft. Sure, the imagery and terms could be changed, leaving the first damning argument.

The VfD on this proposal has served to draw a lot of critical attention to this misconceived proposal; and it seems to have served as an impetus to the creation of this venue.

— Davenbelle 11:18, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * Naughty boy. WP:POINT --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:29, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This venue didn't exist then; a need now rectified. — Davenbelle 11:36, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

User:Coolcat -- behind this proposal -- has just now edited the project page to transclude into the project page; note the name. This subpage is the proposed badges and ranks, and keeping it in user space places it outside the reach of other editors.

— Davenbelle 11:36, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * His use of the template mechanism annoys the hell out of me, too, but it's not really a major problem. Frankly I find the "look what he's doing now" attitude counter-productive.  This isn't a good place to conduct witch-hunts against editors we don't like.  --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Inappropriate projects
Yes I seen a few. However as long as they are not trying to break or get people to break wikipolicy in some way who cares? If they are then they should be deleted.Geni 12:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Types of inappropriate projects
I think this whole concept might be easier to swallow if we break it down into categories. What exactly makes a project inappropriate? Here's my viewpoint, listed in order from worst to not-quite-as-bad. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 15:45, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

1). Cow Pies: Projects which directly contradict policy.

Examples: None that I know of, thankfully.

Description: These would be projects created in obvious bad faith, as an attempt to disrupt and harm wikipedia and its editors, or to influence the voting process through clearly devious means.

What to do: A VfD would suffice, and an RfC or Arb case might be made against the orgnaiser(s).

2). Rhubarb Pies: Projects which do not directly contradict policy, but nonethless are apparently not within the spirit of wikipedia

Examples: Votes_for_deletion/FACTS -Though it promised to be NPOV, it was strongly alledged to be an organised attempt to influence controvesial articles with a certain viewpoint. Though there is no specific policy against like-minded editors getting together to discuss articles (nor will there likely ever be), an organisation of this scale was seen as detrimental to the inherent NPOV nature of Wikipedia and was deleted by consensus.

Votes_for_deletion/GRider/Schoolwatch -The question of whether editors should be allowed to "campaign" for votes has been a controversial one recently. Campaigning can be done either by spamming (leaving talk messages) encouraging like-minded editors to vote, or by watches (collections of links to votes). Certainly, it's unlikely that a policy against such measures could ever be totally effective--if spamming talk pages to beg for votes were forbidden, it would be easy to do the same thing by email instead, or ICQ, or even phone. However, it's easy to sympathise with the viewpoint that trying to swing a vote is against the nature of Wikipedia, Wikipedia is not an experiment in democracy after all, and excessive campaigning could make every vote merely a clash between two forces (generally inclusionist and deletionist) voting on principle, with the victory going to whoever gets more folks to show up. This would make genuine discussion and consensus-building nearly impossible.

Description: These are projects which seek to accomplish something their creator sees as right, but does it in the wrong way. Most of all, it is important that these projects be discussed rationally, as any consensus might become policy (or at least precedent) toward similar subjects in the future.

What to do: A VfD, though it may become heated, is probably the best way to handle such a project. Since these trad the grey area and do not directly violate existing policy, an RfC or Arb case against the creator(s) should not be necessary except in egregious or persistent cases.

3). Undercooked Pies: Projects which are within policy but fail to gain community consensus

Examples: Votes_for_deletion/FACTS I apologise for making an example of this because it's fairly new, but it does show an example of a project which was created in good faith but very likely will not gain consensus.

Description: These are projects which are created with good intentions and do not violate policy, but don't really have the community consensus to carry them forward.

What to do: Since such a project violates no policy and isn't hurting anyone, it should not be VfDed. It should be allowed to remain--possibly its creators may be able to trim it into something that could gain consensus eventually. If the project should lie inactive for an excessive period, it becomes a Stale Pie and should be gently deleted by VfD.

Well, there's my two cents. It goes without saying that none of the above is policy, and doesn't necessarily represent the opinions of Wikipedia or any editor other than me. I encourange and welcome all feedback and discussion, whether you agree or disagree. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 15:45, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

4) Half-done pies: Projects that promise to create large numbers of stubs, but little else

Examples: WikiProject Pokécruft, User:GRider/Schoolwatch. WikiProject Pokécruft has generated several hundred articles consisting of a statsbox and a stub tag. Schoolwatch has a list of school articles "marked for improvement", but improvement does not seem to be occurring.

Description: These are projects that were created with good intentions, but promise to generate very little in the way of quality articles, and large numbers of stubs or large quantities of trivia.

What to do: I don't know. These projects tend to have large numbers of people behind them who oppose merging stubs into longer articles.

Carnildo 19:12, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pie?
User:Sam Spade/Detective agency isn't a Wikiproject. Sam Spade Apply now, exciting opportunities available at Spade & Archer! 10:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not? Just because it doesn't have 'wikiproject' in the title doesn't mean it isn't a project affecting a significant part of the wiki. Radiant_* 10:47, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * It does mean its not a wikiproject. Its not in the Wikipedia: names space, its in my namespace, and thus not within the scope of this page. Sam Spade Apply now, exciting opportunities available at Spade & Archer! 12:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't personally have any problems with this project in your private space. But I have noted that it is somewhat controversial (see the recent VfD). So the intent is to ask the 'Pedia at large how we could resolve this controversy. I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about your project, or other projects in general. We're just brainstorming here. Your argument that userspace is untouchable is not unreasonable. Radiant_* 12:58, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Proposal for Undercooked Pies
Contributors turn to Wikiprojects for standard ways of writing articles, and sometimes even for policy guidelines on notability. I fear the existence of inappropriate projects side by side with other ones that have been recognized as legitimate by the community might mislead users (especially newbies) into doing things in ways that are not consensual.

However, deletion does not strike me as the best solution here. The debate should be kept, if for no other reason to guide future contributors about what kinds of projects may be seen as controversial by Wikipedians. This applies, obviously, only to what Starblind called "Undercooked Pies", i.e., to projects which do not violate established policy or that are apparently within the spirit of Wikipedia.

Projects that fall in this category but face strong opposition from Wikis could be listed in something like Wikiproject/Projects under dispute (linked from the main project page) until they are trimmed down to something consensual. If that fails to happen after some amount of time, they could then be listed in another page, say Wikiproject/Rejected Projects, also linked from the main project page. This, of course, is just an idea. Comments are wellcome and would be highly appreciated. Vlad M V ٭ talk 18:20, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reaction

 * Cow pies are easy. In the (unlikely) event that we get a bad-faith project like Wikiproject:Vandalism or something similar, this could be easily stopped by blocking and/or VfD'ing the page as nonsensical.
 * For anything else, I suppose the appropriate venue would be RFC. Simply put the matter to the community, and see what happens. I don't think VfD'ing would really help.
 * What I see as the main problem is if the majority is opposed to a project, but a minority nevertheless keeps it up. RFC doesn't have the power to stop them (nor should it), and the ArbCom shouldn't have to deal with it. Thus the project remains. This, presumedly, is inherent in a Wiki.
 * Radiant_* 10:35, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

How about when the overwhelming majority supports a project, and certain individuals persecute it based on personal grudges? Should that be listed here as well? Sam Spade 07:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * For the record, my objections to User:Sam_Spade/Detective_agency are not because of a "grudge", but are based solely on my lack of confidence that Sam is trustworthy with any sort of power. This arises from my personal experience of Sam Spade's insulting behavior, record of cynically exploiting policy loopholes, his creative sidestepping of policy, and extensive history of trying to cover up these facts. Shame on Sam for continuing to add insult to injury by once again mischaracterizing those he wrongs. FeloniousMonk 07:50, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * And shame on you for wasting everyones valuable time with these antics. Kindly do something useful with yourself, I'm here to read and edit an encyclopedia, not to fuck about w personal politics to please your ego. Sam Spade  08:16, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you are confused. It is your User:Sam_Spade/Detective_agency and its appropriateness that is tying up everybody's time here, Sam. Since you bring up egos, I'm still waiting for your apology for your vulgar email. FeloniousMonk 08:38, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's odd you should say you're here to read and edit an encyclopaedia, given the obvious amount of time you're spending on this so-called non-project. Stop trying to claim that people are objecting to your "agency" because they don't like you. The fact that people don't like you is a separate and unrelated issue. Exploding Boy 22:40, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Review my edit history and FeloniousMonk's, and get back to me on the subject of wikipedia usage. Sam Spade 00:28, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Excellent idea. I encourage anyone reviewing my edit history as Sam suggests to take a moment to consider some relevant information regarding User:Sam_Spade/Detective_agency I present here: User:FeloniousMonk/Disturbing_trends FeloniousMonk 09:38, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I strongly suggest that FeloniousMonk and Sam Spade take their differences to RFC, or, failing that, to the ArbCom. Radiant_* 10:31, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sound advice, point taken. Several attempts by admin's at informal mediation have failed to resolve the matter. FeloniousMonk 17:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Another possibly inappropriate project
Wikiproject Graphical content problem, which has an objective of "Protect vanruble users, including chidren, from content that might be disturbing." (sic) --cesarb 17:29, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Userspace controversy
Please read and contribute to Userspace policy proposal. There has been recent controversy (here, among other places) about what is and is not permissible in user space. It is important to assert which policies (if any) do apply in userspace, and to what extent, and what should be done about transgression. Radiant_* 10:10, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Francis Petre

Francis Petre
One of New Zealand's greatest architects sadly little known outside Australasia. This is mostly a self-nom (I want him to be better known). The page has had fantastic support, courtesy New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board which resulted in help and great photographs specially taken and supplied by Grutness and one by Silenceisfoo, without which it would be pretty dull. I think I've (or to be exact Bishonen has) sorted my English grammar. New Zealand has some great unappreciated (outside NZ) architecture, I'd like to see something about it on the front page. Giano | Talk 10:54, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. I can't say anything about the material, but the writing looks good, has good pictures and structure, and has references. I made a few copyedits, again hopefully all good. - Taxman 14:45, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. I had never heard of Petre before, and found the article an entertaining introduction.  I would recommend removing or sourcing some of the rather peacockish language, though: "successful" and "skillful" are particularly overused, and some of the article's praise of Petre seems a bit fulsome.  Perhaps find some sources to cite others' assessments of Petre?  Surely his skill is adequately demonstrated by simple description of his work, in any case. -- Rbellin|Talk 18:44, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, I've attempted to remove some excess adjectives etc.Giano | Talk 19:30, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Support, but it needs propper footnotes where webpages are referenced in text see:Footnotes--nixie 04:54, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've added the footnotes, that's great I didn't know you could do that! Giano | Talk 08:42, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. Yeah, I know, I was one of the lesser collaborators on this page, but even if I hadn't been I would see this as a potential candidate. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 06:45, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Neat! jengod 00:45, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Yes, I've done a little copyediting (Giano is modest about his "grammar" as always). I think this is a very enjoyable, vivid article, it would be a treat to see it on the Main Page. Bishonen|talk 08:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. I've watched this one grow, and it really is a fine article on a subject who is little-known in the wider world; just what Wikipedia should be doing. Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:48, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment surely his exact birth-death dates must be known? Fawcett5 16:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Dates now given Giano | talk 18:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Kenneth Rose

Kenneth Vivian Rose (15 November 1924 – 28 January 2014) was a British journalist and royal biographer. The son of Ada and Jacob Rosenwige, a Bradford Jewish surgeon, Rose was educated at Repton and New College, Oxford. He served in the Welsh Guards 1943–6 and was attached to Phantom, 1945. He did a brief spell of teaching as an Assistant Master at Eton College, 1948. His journalistic career began when he joined the Editorial Staff of the Daily Telegraph, a position he held from 1952 to 1960. He founded and wrote the Albany Column, 1961–97, for the Sunday Telegraph.

Rose won the Whitbread Book Award in the biography category in 1983 for his book, King George V. He shared that award with Victoria Glendinning, who won for her book Vita. He was appointed CBE in the 1997 New Year Honours.

Two well-regarded volumes of Rose's journals edited by DR Thorpe were published in 2018 and 2019. A review in The Spectator by biographer Philip Ziegler said: 'He was, of course, a snob — nobody could write a social column in the Sunday Telegraph for more than 50 years without some snobbish instincts — but he was an intelligent one, singularly well-informed, and capable from time to time of administering a sharp bite to the noble hands that fed him his material. It might reasonably be said that his contribution to social history is limited in its parameters, but it is a real contribution for all that. It is also great fun to read'.

Selected works

 * Superior Person; a portrait of Curzon and his circle in late Victorian England (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London 1969)
 * The Later Cecils (1975)
 * William Harvey : a monograph (1978)
 * King George V (1983), awarded the Wolfson History Prize ISBN 0-297-78245-2
 * Who’s Who in the Royal House of Windsor (1985)
 * Kings, Queens & Courtiers : intimate portraits of the Royal House of Windsor from its foundation to the present day (1985)
 * Elusive Rothschild: The Life of Victor, Third Baron (2003)
 * Who's In, Who's Out. The Journals of Kenneth Rose. Vol. 1, 1944–1979. Edited by D. R. Thorpe (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London 2018) ISBN 978-1-47-460154-2
 * Who Wins, Who Loses. The Journals of Kenneth Rose. Vol. 2, 1979–2014. Edited by D. R. Thorpe (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London 2019) ISBN 978-1-47-461058-2

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Spider Predation

Spider Predation
Three shots showing the stages as an orb weaver captures and eats a bee.
 * Support Orb weaver with captured bee in web. Self Nom. --Fir0002 10:59, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Orb Weaver capturing or Orb Weaver eating (EDIT: these are the same images!). Oppose Orb weaver with captured bee in web (too small spider compared with rest, odd perspective). Junes 16:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry! changed it. --Fir0002 23:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support capturing image. Looks like it's the most in focus. -- brian0918  ™  00:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support either capturing or eating, but eating has better detail on the spider (check out the spinnerets, if I'm not mistaken) Matthewcieplak 04:59, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support the eating one. Do you have more hi-res version, so one can see the spider in even better detail --Bricktop 10:13, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support capturing only. Depth of field is too narrow in the other two.  (And it's a pity, since the eating image is the best composition, I think.)  Which article do you plan to put these in, by the way? —Korath (Talk) 11:00, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I will put the most favoured photo in any or all of these: predation, spider or Animal --Fir0002 05:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * These are amazing photos. Support eating, then capturing. Eating is now my desktop. Ground 01:32, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support either one -- Chris 73 Talk 12:10, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Capturing only. It's the best of the three, technically excellent and very descriptive. I wish I could see a photo taken earlier before the bee was wrapped, so as to have some chance of identifying the bee. Pollinator 21:48, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes that would have been good, but unfortunately I hadn't noticed the spider until the after the spider was already spinning the bee into a cocoon. --Fir0002 00:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

+10 / -1 for Orb Weaver Capturing a bee. -- Solipsist 15:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Jonas Olson 20:23, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Excellent color contrast. — oo64eva (AJ) (U @ 06:30, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)


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Hieronymus Georg Zeuthen

Hieronymus Georg Zeuthen (15 February 1839 – 6 January 1920) was a Danish mathematician. He is known for work on the enumerative geometry of conic sections, algebraic surfaces, and history of mathematics.

Biography
Zeuthen was born in Grimstrup near Varde where his father was a minister. In 1849, his father moved to a church in Sorø where Zeuthen began his secondary schooling. In 1857 he entered the University of Copenhagen to study mathematics and graduated with a master's degree in 1862. Following this he earned a scholarship to study abroad, and decided to visit Paris where he studied geometry with Michel Chasles.

After returning to Copenhagen, Zeuthen submitted his doctoral dissertation on a new method to determine the characteristics of conic systems in 1865. Enumerative geometry remained his focus up until 1875.

In 1871 he was appointed as an extraordinary professor at the University of Copenhagen, as well as becoming an editor of Matematisk Tidsskrift, a position he held for 18 years. For 39 years he served as secretary of the Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters, during which he also lectured at the Polytechnic Institute. In 1886, he was promoted to ordinary professor at the University of Copenhagen, where he twice served as rector.

After 1875 Zeuthen began to make contributions in other areas such as mechanics and algebraic geometry, as well as being recognised as an expert on the history of medieval and Greek mathematics. He wrote 40 papers and books on the history of mathematics, which covered many topics and several periods. He was an invited speaker at the International Congress of Mathematicians in 1897 at Zurich, in 1904 at Heidelberg, and in 1908 at Rome.

Publications

 * Abriß einer elementar-geometrischen Kegelschnittlehre. Teubner 1882.
 * Die Lehre von den Kegelschnitten im Altertum. Kopenhagen 1886 (Danish version 1885 in Forh.Vid.Selskab).
 * Geschichte der Mathematik im Altertum und Mittelalter. Kopenhagen 1896 (Danish version 1893 publ. by Verlag A.F.Hoest).
 * Histoire des Mathématiques dans l'Antiquité et le Moyen Age. Paris, Gauthier-Villars, 1902.
 * Geschichte der Mathematik im XVI. und XVII. Jahrhundert. Teubner 1903, and as Heft 17 of Abhandlungen zur Geschichte der mathematischen Wissenschaften (ed. Moritz Cantor). The Danish version was published 1903 in Copenhagen.
 * Die Mathematik im Altertum und im Mittelalter. Kopenhagen 1912.
 * Lehrbuch der abzählenden Methoden der Geometrie. Teubner 1914.
 * Hvorledes Mathematiken i tiden fra Platon til Euklid blev rationel Videnskab. Avec un résumé en francais. Forh.Dansk Vid.Selskab 1917, pp.199-369.

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Naimark's problem

Naimark's problem is a question in functional analysis asked by. It asks whether every C*-algebra that has only one irreducible $ * $-representation up to unitary equivalence is isomorphic to the $$ * $$-algebra of compact operators on some (not necessarily separable) Hilbert space.

The problem has been solved in the affirmative for special cases (specifically for separable and Type-I C*-algebras). used the diamond principle to construct a C*-algebra with $$ \aleph_{1} $$ generators that serves as a counterexample to Naimark's problem. More precisely, they showed that the existence of a counterexample generated by $$\aleph_{1}$$ elements is independent of the axioms of Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory and the axiom of choice ($$ \mathsf{ZFC} $$).

Whether Naimark's problem itself is independent of $$ \mathsf{ZFC} $$ remains unknown.

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User talk:Tumble

wow...i finally signed up.

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Hi, dear wikipedian. I have done some expansion in the Simon Willard article. I would like that you tell me your opinion. Anytime. --AndresArce 20:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)AndresArce

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Talk:Naddodd

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The spelling barely exists in Google (most references are based on wikipedia copies too). Althoughthe alternative spelling is barely used too. Lotsofissues 11:02, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to say that this is the correct English spelling of his name but I doubt that this person in general has any presence at Google because it is a small and barely known figure only related to Icelandic history. --Bjarki 12:52, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I mean, we should use the modern spelling Naddoddur because it is still a name for boys in the Faroe Islands. This name only occurs there, which means, nobody in Iceland or Norway has such a name (or in similar variations). However, he was not only related to Icelandic history but also to the Faroese history and propably he was in America before Erik the Red. Arne List 15:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

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Zeuthen (disambiguation)

Zeuthen may refer to:

 * Zeuthen, a town in Brandenburg, Germany
 * Else Zeuthen, Danish pacifist and politician
 * Hieronymus Georg Zeuthen, Danish mathematician
 * Zeuthen Strategy in Game theory (named for Frederik Zeuthen)

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Talk:Egged (company)

Hebrew and Russian external links
I have removed these from the article. These links would be entirely appropriate in a Hebrew or Russian wikipedia article on the Egged Bus Cooperative, but are inappropriate in the english language wikipedia article. To help any future translators, I reproduce the links here:

 * Egged Official website (Hebrew)
 * Egged Official website (Russian)

-- Chris j wood 11:04, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Name
What is the name history, please? Egg reads like vandalism, or an onboard delicatessen | diner.

Thank You.

[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 17:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Hayyim Nahman Bialik offers this name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayyim_Nahman_Bialik --79.176.69.57 (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Mehadrin Bus line POV
The content in this section of the article is extremely one sided, It makes no mention that the Mehadrin busses are voluntary and that there are other Non-mehadrin buses. They are presented in a completely negative light counter to the opinion of the residents that use those lines. These lines are created at the request of the residents, and egged complies because a majority of their customers in those area will go to another company if egged does not provide them with the ability to practice their religion as they see fit. yisraeldov 18:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The section notes that the lines were started by popular request of the residents. You are not denying the accuracy of the description or the reliability of the sources.  I'm sorry you dislike that Mehadrin lines are controversial, but they are. Italiavivi 01:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I said that the description is extremely one sided, if there is a controversy then both sides should be presented equally.

All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing views fairly, proportionately and without bias.

 * Yes, the article is very one-sided because it does not give in any way the reason for the separation, but only calling it "segregation", which term is emotionally loaded.FlaviaR (talk) 19:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I am going to return the POV tag, please do not remove it with out discussing here first.The POV tag notes that the neutrality of the section is questionable, we are not dealing with the accuracy of the sources, only providing a balanced description. Users who see the tag are directed to the talk page where they can see and participate in the discussion. Equating the voluntarily gender segregated buses in israel, to racial segregation in the US, is not a fair comparison at all. There is only mention of critics of the Mehadrin buses. I do not disagree that they maybe controversial, but controversy has 2 sides and only one is presented here. ( al gav, I'm not a 'sock-puppet' for any one please remove that from my talk page )yisraeldov 12:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This sounds more like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT to me. The controversy is both real and widespread (WP:N), and the comparisons have been made.  Wikipedia must note controversy where it exists.  That aside?  Gender segregation is not "voluntary" if women are beaten and assaulted for sitting at the front of the bus. Italiavivi 21:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Italivivi we don't know that that's what happened. It's being investigated and it certainly doesn't mean that it generaly happens. The fact that this case is being investigated as to whether she was assaulted is known to you and you still did not want to include that. You have been always pushing a POV on this and I have never said that it did happen or did not. Yisraelasper
 * Note: User:Yisraelasper is the suspected sockpuppeteer of User:Yisraeldov. I've no intention of participating in good faith with a user who has vandalized this page multiple times and may be using sockpuppets. Italiavivi 02:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not a suspected sock puppet. You gave false evidence and on that basis I was cleared. Isn't it strange how you claimed one sockpuppet as a possibility and now you charge possibly more. I wasn't aware of this article until you brought it up with your lies. I now thanks to your vindictiveness am aware of this article. You caused me then to contribute to it in the only way I would have. This was my my first contribution to this article and you deleted it. You are a vandal as you acknowledged that the part of her claim I say is under investigation,is and yet you deleted this information. You are constantly deleting information and getting vindictive and lying and getting banned.

You claimed that Yisraeldov came after I ceased contributing to any article. He did not. He was at the same time and his first contribution was before the Miriam Shear incident even happened. You claimed I was a one issue account. I am not. You therefore based your claim of sockpuppetry on lies both as to when contributions were made by me and Yisraeldov and on what contributions I made.

You failed to mention that I was in 2005 before the Miriam Shear 2006 incident contributing and that my last contribution was on a previous topic of mine. You deleted information from the Miriam Shear article just like here, information saying what part of her claim is still being investigated. The only time I deleted supposed information from it was when you removed that piece of information so I thought that an unverified claim shouldn't appear in an article. Stop being a vindictive liar. You scare away contributions with your vindictiveness. Which is what you try to do. Yisraelasper

Italiavivi You gave a title to your deletion saying I'm Haredi. I'm not Haredi. If you don't know enough about Judaism and Jews perhaps you should not make comments and show off your ignorance. Yisraelasper

I see Italiavivi that you made a now removed by me suspected sockpuppet warning for User:71.206.196.185 a user that wasn't a user. I removed your sign. It was me forgetting to log in responding to you but since I was editing myself and yet with the first contribution at least putting in a new paragraph and putting my user name with that one too Yisraelasper so of course I was letting all know it's me! Yisraelasper

It happened today that I forgot to log in so for this article you find a contribution by 71.199.123.246. Maybe I should accuse you Italiavivi of sockpuppetry if ever you don't log in and so an IP shows up that seems like it's from you. Maybe I should check to see if it ever happened. I only found out about your IP accusations because I was checking your record. Yisraelasper

I put the POV tag back, It looks like the discussion died because of the Sock Puppet accusations, Please discuss here and come to an agreement before removing yisraeldov (talk) 12:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Whjat I found amazing is that the article only mentions one incident whereas assaults on women sitting in the wrong place on the bus are far more widespread. Also completely missing is any mention of the court battle and rulings against segregation. Rafistern —Preceding undated comment added 09:59, 20 June 2010 (UTC).

Gender-segregated routes
They are mostly hasidic... mitnagidim and sephardim have no problem with mixed buses as it isn't a halachic issue. Chacham Yosef would sit next to women on buses. I don't think he pays too much attention anyway. There is that famous story about how his wife sat next to him and he never realized…
 * Who told you it isn't a Halachic issue ? There is a small book from Nissim Karelitz ( Not chasidish ) called Chut Shani, on Tzinus. You will find many sources there, that show that it is an issue yisraeldov (talk) 12:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * R' Moshe clearly states that there is no issue.

Should also mention most mehadrin buses are those doubles buses and women normally use the middle entreance and pay themselves. 124.170.180.75 06:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Or not. See | Shocking numbers regarding mehadrin bus lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafistern (talk • contribs) 10:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

npov
I added the npov tag because only one viewpoint mostly amoung the hasidic world is represented as a view of all Haredim. Many Haredim do not support segregated buses and believe anyway spending time trying to get them segregated is wasting their time that should be rather spent studying Torah which is far more important. In this view wasting such time is a violation of multiple negative commandments, including chillul hashem. Of this opinion is Chacham Yosef. 124.170.180.75 07:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

 * That's not a reason for an NPOV template. The section explains a disagreement, it does not take sides in it. --Shuki 18:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Then what is it? It just talks about the chiloni part of the controversy. With no mention of the controversy amoungst Haredim themselves. 124.170.76.169 03:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have any sources for your claim ? Most of the charadi papers are always mehadrin lines. yisraeldov (talk) 12:10, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 08:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Privatization?
This sentence was confusing:
 * ''Despite some privatization attempts made by Benjamin Netanyahu, Egged is still Israel's largest bus company, is subsidized by the government, and still controls most of the inter-city bus lines in Israel.

There is no suggestion elsewhere in the article that the company is owned by the state and not its members. I think the original writer meant "deregulation" so I changed it. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

cat
This cat was crated for Israeli companies operating in the occupied territories, not any other reason and this company is a part of it. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:09, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

 * And you can tell us what the difference is between 'companies operating in ...' and 'Israeli companies operating in ...' ? Please enlighten us. --Shuki (talk) 22:13, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Israeli companies are most likely in the settlements exploiting otehr peoples land, while for example Arab companies are most likely in the Palestinian towns and villages. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The category is in the process of being deleted, as an identical category with two words rearranged was deleted recently and this one was created in the middle of that process simply as a way to avoid the result. Rather than causing drama, leave this article alone and enjoy your category during the little time it has left. Breein1007 (talk) 22:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Be there reason base in policy why this category not exist? It seem relevant. It state where company operate, which be not "Israel" but area it occupy by force. Ani medjool (talk)
 * Yes. Refer to the very recent deletion discussion of the same category. Breein1007 (talk) 22:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

But this be different category, not same, so not relevant for old category Ani medjool (talk)
 * I'm not discussing this with you any further. The category is about to be deleted. :) Breein1007 (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Hard to think editor be in good faith when them refuse discuss their opinion, but if you believe such to keep you opinion silent, then will respect that. Ani medjool (talk)

Materials
Relevant articles which I haven't had time to go over:
 * http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3905466,00.html

—Ynhockey (Talk) 22:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

'mehadrin' lines, after court ruling
Hello. I have shortened the 'mehadrin-bus'-section, as there is a main article now. The paragraph should IMO be shortened even more, it is still far too long in relation to the rest of the article. Ajnem (talk) 15:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, I track your edit history from time to time. The article (and also this one) uses the term "gender segregation" to describe the separate seating of men and women on the buses. The only source that seems to refer to the situation as segregation is Haaretz. New York Times and Jerusalem Post don't use that word. Therefore, "segregation" shouldn't appear so prominently in the article; per WP:UNDUE, it shouldn't be the name of a section. We don't refer to separate bathrooms as segregated restrooms, after all, and at religious weddings the invitations will say "separate dancing," etc.—Biosketch (talk) 06:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Jerusalem Light Rail
A lot of information has been deleted without giving a good reason. It is relevant for readers to know that the sale of the Jerusalem Light Rail from Veolia to Egged has stalled. Also that Egged is inheriting a boycott situation if the purchase of the light rail goes through. I appreciate that this page is not about Veolia; it is about Egged and Egged has agreed to buy the light rail with all its legacy. Nescio vos (talk) 16:38, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Changing to 'Egged' title
I believe Egged is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC so this article should be titled Egged and the current Egged page should become a disambiguation. If you disagree, Chutznik (talk) 05:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. There's no consensus that this or any of the options is the primary topic. The dab page has already been restored to Egged. Cúchullain t/ c 14:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Egged (company) → Egged – Egged the bus company is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Chutznik (talk) 05:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Oppose. Egged is also an English word, and this word can be reasonably expected to be the first thing that most English speakers think off when they see it. Imc (talk) 06:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support as per Chutznik. What English word are you thinking of? The term "egged on"? I can assure you no one will be looking for that on Wikipedia. --Geewhiz (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support 'Egged on' might be a dictionary entry, but will not get a separate WP entry. I was looking to see how it is handled at Oracle and Amazon, but the company name is not just the English word. --Shuki (talk) 10:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose "egged" is primarily about egging -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 00:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * comment egged (disambiguation) should be restored to egged, where it was before this move request was filed. -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose; if anything Egging should be the primary topic. In the absence of a primary topic, the disambiguation page should be moved back.  Powers T 13:52, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Egging has received nearly three times as many views as the article on the company over a 90 day period. As Egged is the past tense form of Egging, it's assumed a considerable amount of traffic from Egged disambig is directed to "egging". YuMaNuMa Contrib 06:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - "egged" (the bus company) has 50% more hits on google than does "egging". why is this even an issue? Soosim (talk) 07:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. If the company was called "Egging" then there would be a reasonable fight for the primary topic, but the past-tense/adjectival "Egged" seems sufficiently oblique. The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC test isn't what a user would think of if somebody said the word "egged" to them with no context, it's what they would expect to find if searching for that exact word. --McGeddon (talk) 09:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The primary topic for "egging" is likely the topic covered at Egged. Note that primary topics can be covered at articles with different titles. USA, Rap, Runner, Mechanoid, etc., etc. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No standout primary topic. Most people know egging as being pelted with eggs. WWGB (talk) 14:41, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Secondary issue: the first listing at Egged (disambiguation)
JHunterJ and I disagree about the first word to be listed at Egged (disambiguation) (assuming that this move request doesn't have the votes to pass, even though I still believe that the bus company is the primary topic). It's bad enough that a bus company that is actually named Egged -- that is exactly the name, letter for letter -- should not get its own article under its own name out of concern for confusion over Egging. But to put egging ahead of Egged the bus company on the disambiguation page? I find that deeply offensive, close minded, anti Israel and irrational. We desperately need a consensus saying that Egged (company) is more likely what readers are looking for than "egging". It really is obvious to me, but apparently JHunterJ (and others here) just don't get it. I'm prepared to get into a revert war over this, but I would much prefer if people can just agree that I'm right because, after all, I'm right. Chutznik (talk) 23:54, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you truly this anxious to be blocked again? In any event, please discuss the content of the disambiguation page at Talk:Egged (disambiguation), not here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:08, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Asserting or even implying that anyone is anti-Israel based on the comments made above in the proposal is extremely offensive to the people who opposed it based on policy rather than religious and ethnic views. YuMaNuMa Contrib 06:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, and welcome. You look like an intelligent contributor. I agree with most of your edits to reduce POV on Howard Dean. However, please do not add the TotallyDisputed tag to George W. Bush. While the article is certainly not perfect, it is pretty good, not to mention one of our most-visited articles. Thanks. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 00:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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I'm afraid I've had to block you for violating the three-revert rule on George W. Bush. You reverted four times. Three-revert rule states: ''If you violate the three-revert rule, after your fourth revert in 24 hours, sysops may block you for up to 24 hours. In the cases where multiple parties violate the rule, administrators should treat all sides equally.''

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Hi. You need to improve your attitude. Refering to articles as "trash" and slapping down "POV" and "Factual Innacuracies" markers on articles you don't like, with vague and over-the-top explanations on the talk pages, is not helpful. You seem to have an overly combative tone. Please correct this.

I've been reviewing many of your edits, and they seem to mostly involve wanting to remove any uncomfortable information about political figures. Particularly, in many articles, criticisms about those figures, attributed to those figures' critics, are included, and you seem to think those criticisms should be removed because they are "biased." This desire is inappropriate when the criticism is attributed to critics, not to the article in general, as is the case in most of the articles you've edited.

I suggest you go to the help link, located in the upper left box, where you can find out all about what NPOV is and isn't, what editing by consensus is, how to approach editing conflicts, about assuming good faith, etc. Thanks, and welcome to Wikipedia! --Holdek <sup style="color:Green;">(talk) 01:16, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

You want POV
I am NOT soliciting help but if you think the GWbush article is bad check out 2003 Invasion of Iraq...I am a bit of an edit warrior myself and hope you continue to contribute but, and I say this as a reminder to myself, be careful.--MONGO 05:26, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your message to User:Libertas
I've been watching Libertas' talk page (for reasons which will become clear) and noticed your message about Radicalsubversiv thinking the two of you are the same. I'm not about to go through your edit history to find out where the conflict is, but I wanted to inform you that Libertas is currently under a year-long ban for combativeness, failure to respect consensus, and at the root of it all, being a POV warrior. If you are focused on removing only negative information from political figures, appear to others to be of a politically conservative bent, and you are being combative in defending your edits, then that would explain R.S.'s suspicion that you are a sock puppet account of Libertas'. (Libertas became infamous for being more disruptive than productive.) If that's the case, I would suggest cultivating a more relaxed attitude to Wikipedia, but that's just me. So long as you don't start calling everyone who disagrees with you "a communist" and part of a "Marxist conspiracy at Wikipedia" like Libertas did, though, you'll show R.S.'s suspicion to be unfounded and you should be fine. — Saxifrage | ☎ 22:45, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

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Peter Kennard

Peter Kennard (born 17 February 1949) is a London-born and based photomontage artist and Professor of Political Art at the Royal College of Art. Seeking to reflect his involvement in the anti-Vietnam War movement, he turned from painting to photomontage to better address his political views. He is best known for the images he created for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) in the 1970s–80s including a détournement of John Constable's The Hay Wain called "Haywain with Cruise Missiles".

Because many of the left-wing organisations and publications he used to work with have disappeared, Kennard has turned to using exhibitions, books and the internet for his work.

Kennard has work in the public collections of several major London museums and the Arts Council of England. He has his work displayed as part of Tate Britain's permanent collection and is on public view as part of 2013's rehang A Walk Through British Art.

Education
A lifelong Londoner, Kennard was born on Elgin Avenue in Maida Vale. He originally trained as a painter at the Byam Shaw School of Art and the Slade School of Fine Art, University College London and later at the Royal College of Art, where he is now Professor of Political Art.

Career
Kennard has previously been Senior Tutor in the Department of Photography and later Professor of Political Art at the Royal College of Art.

Exhibitions and projects
Kennard abandoned painting in the 1970s in search of new forms of expression that could bring art and politics together for a wider audience. This search has resulted in making photomontage and installation work over many years covering major political events. The visual language he has developed to the present day uses common news imagery, photojournalism and the face. He has often worked in collaboration with writers, photographers, filmmakers and artists such as Peter Reading, John Pilger and Jenny Matthews.

Dispatches from An Unofficial War Artist is his autobiography and was published in 2000. In it, Kennard writes about the possibilities of undertaking an aesthetic practice in relation to social change, and considers how his art has interacted with the politics of actual events. The narrative is thematic rather than chronological, showing how a visual motif can be re-used in different contexts. Kennard's original artwork is often reproduced alongside the newspaper or poster in which it appeared.

Kennard produced a body of work addressing the second Iraq War in 2002. John Berger said of this work:

"In these memorable images, in these images that refuse to be forgotten, go very close to the griefs being inflicted – they are still-lifes of grief, and, at the same time includes the time-scale of the mountain. They are the opposite of news flashes. They are full of history's irony, fury and anger at the mistakes made in its name. They reveal the tawdriness of the Gang's half-truths. They acknowledge the pain of what is happening. They might be quoting Simone Weil who wrote: 'There is a natural alliance between truth and affliction, because both of them are mute supplicants, eternally condemned to stand speechless in our presence.' And they are exemplary because, in face of such inevitable speechlessness, they remind us of the need to speak out in protest, the protests of the dead and the living."

Kennard's 2003 photomontage Photo Op (in collaboration with Cat Phillips) of Tony Blair taking a selfie against a backdrop of burning oil, was described by The Guardian as "the definitive work of art about the war". It was created in Photoshop using an image of Blair taking a selfie during the 2005 General Election campaign. Kennard says he was trying to change the world and "portray Iraq as it happened and not wait until afterwards and make a history painting".

Kennard's 2011 project was @earth, a story without words told in the language of photomontage. It takes the form of a small book priced at £9.99, published by the Tate Gallery, which Kennard believed was a reasonably cheap and accessible way of getting his message to young people outside the artworld. The book contains a variety of images from Kennard's 40-year career and, as a result, attracts the criticism that its targets are too general. Kennard's reply was that he wanted "to encourage people to think about their own situation and activate, but I'm not trying to tell them to do this or that. I'm just trying to show how I see the world at the moment."

The idea has expanded to a re-appropriation and re-distribution of his images through online platforms such as Tumblr, Facebook and Twitter. G8 Protest Posters is the latest of these projects that shares images "designed for protest". Created in 2013 in reaction to the 39th G8 summit in Enniskillen, Kennard has encouraged the public to "print, Tweet, Facebook, email and share these images as a sign of protest". He sees online distribution sites as "a valuable addition to the dissident artists toolbox. G8 is a charade masquerading as a serious conference, my posters attempt to rip through the lies and point to the world as in fact it is."

Kennard has also executed a number of guerrilla street installations and has said "if world leaders insist on assaulting our lives and livelihoods, let's hit back by assaulting their eyes."

The first major retrospective of Kennard's work was held at the Imperial War Museum for a year from May 2015. The show then moved to mac birmingham in 2016.

In January 2021, it was announced that Kennard's art would be part of an exhibition at Richard Saltoun Gallery in London, opening the following month.

Personal life
Kennard lives in Hackney, London, after moving from the Paddington area. His son is the investigative journalist Matt Kennard.

Political views
In December 2019, along with 42 other leading cultural figures, Kennard signed a letter endorsing the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership in the 2019 general election. The letter stated that "Labour's election manifesto under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership offers a transformative plan that prioritises the needs of people and the planet over private profit and the vested interests of a few."

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Gupteswar Cave

Gupteswar Cave is a cave shrine dedicated to Shiva. It is a pilgrim site situated about 55 km away Jeypore, Koraput District in the state of Odisha, India. It is a limestone cave, and its main attraction is the gigantic Shiva Linga which is said to be increasing in size. It is believed that the cave was discovered by Rama and re-discovered in the reign of Maharajah Veer Vikram Dev. In the holy month of Shravan, the cave is visited by devotees who walk to the shrine bare-footed with decorated bamboo palanquins called "Kanwadiya" and bathe in the maha kund before worshipping Lord Gupteshwar. There are 200 steps to reach to the Shiva linga temple. Its entrance is about 3 m wide and 2 m high.

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Surrounded by a dense forest of sal trees and flanked by the Kolab river, a 2 m high lingam stands in the cave. The shrine is called "Gupteswar" which means the "God in hiding" because the lingam remained undiscoverable for a long time. One can reach it by climbing the 200 steps flanked with rows of champak trees. There are also several other caves nearby. Inside the second cave, there is a large stalactite. People worship it as the udder of God Kamadhenu (the divine cow) and wait under it with outstretched palms to collect drops of water which fall only at long intervals.

Popularly known as "Gupta Kedar" in the vicinity, this sacred place is associated with the Hindu god, Lord Shri Rama. The nearby hill has been named "Ramagiri". According to tradition, the lingam was first discovered by Lord Rama when he was roaming in the Dandakaranya forest with wife Sita and brother Lakshman, and named the deity in the cave as "Gupteshwar". The poet Kalidas too, described the scenic beauty of Ramgiri forest where the cave temple is referred to in his famous Meghadutam.

However, as the time passed, the temple was again lost in obscurity but in the 17th century, the Shiva lingam was discovered by a hunter who then informed about it to Maharajah Veer Vikram Dev, who was the king of that region and recently shifted his capital from Nandapur to the newly formed, Jeypore. King Veer Vikram paid a visit to the cave and was mesmerized by the grandiosity of the majestic lingam and the magnificent natural surroundings. He appointed priests in the cave temple and started a tradition of making a foot journey to the cave of Lord Gupteswar during the holy month of Shraavana which is performed by the people of the erstwhile kingdom to this day. Since then the lingam has been worshipped by the tribes and locals of Koraput region. In Shivaratri (a Hindu festival) Gupteswar Temple draws over 200,000 devotees from Odisha, Andhra Pradesh and Chhattisgarh. People suffering from incurable diseases come here to worship the god and remain here for months in the hope of getting cured.

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Kazzer
Band vanity. Sjakkalle 11:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * A one-hit wonder so far, but definitely a notable Canadian musician. Nominated for New Artist of the Year at the 2004 Junos. I've heard his song in regular rotation on contemporary hit radio, hot adult contemporary, alternative rock and rock format radio stations and seen him on TV, and not even in his other job as co-host of Sports Car Revolution on SPEED Channel, a major U.S. cable channel. You may have heard his song in international hit movie The Italian Job (2003). Signed to Epic Records. Yes, I will add this to the article if y'all keep it. :) Samaritan 17:02, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Now unrecognizably expanded. Samaritan 17:48, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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