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User:Halibutt/Archive 5

Interesting!
Hi Halibutt - just wanted to say that (after our brief talk on Belarus-stub) I decided to check out who would have the former Belarus flag on their home page. Interesting stuff - and good to know that someone is taking such care of the Polish pages! (I have no Polish blood, but my ex-girlfriend's family came from the southwest of your country. Sadly her father and one of your grandfathers spent WWII in a very similar way - he survived Dachau). Anyway, I just wanted to say that you've done some interesting and enjoyable work... keep it up! :) Grutness|hello?  02:32, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Belarus stub
A quick addition to the above... I'm currently going through sorting geo-stubs. Any that I'm finding which are in Belarus I've put in the Belarus-stub category. I've found about a dozen in all. Grutness|hello?

Zdjecia
Troche krucho u mnie ze zdjeciami z wojny polsko-bolszewickiej. Jezeli cos bede mial to podrzuce. Co do g-platza, - chodz lubil wojenki - ostro przesadzili. Ale gdzie wladza, tam naduzycia jej... :)--Emax 12:37, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Pewna sprawa - widzialem ze prawie wszystkie .ogg nagrania byly Twojej produkcji, gdybys mial kiedys czas lub byl nasycony pisaniem artykulow, nagrac ich (jak najwiecej) np w artykulach o herbach ("odrowąż" jest dosc ciezkim slowem dla anglika) jak i imionach i nazwiskach Polakow w kategoriii Polish people (z tym ze trzeba byc pewnym ze wszystkie imiona widnieja w artykule).--Emax 20:31, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Dolaczysz do Michael I of Russia i Vasili IV of Russia? Ja dzis juz nie moge rv-towac--Emax 08:58, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Co sadzisz o tym by stworzyc mailing list, dla polskich uzytkownikow z ang wiki - w celu obgadywania roznych spraw?--Emax 22:31, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Jak uwazasz - mysle ze stworzenie tu na wiki niema sensu, rosyjska wersja swieci pustkami. Mailinglista by sie przydala w kilku celach. 1. Nie trzeba uzywac samocenzury ;) 2. na glownej stronie - mailinglisty - utworzenie zbiorow przydadnych linkow 2. utworzenie listy artykulow ktore potrzebuja przerobki, 4. szybkie przekazywanie informacji, w przypadku gdy ktos poszukuje zdjecia lub zrodla do jakiegos artykulu. 5. Zawiadamianie o userach ktorzy notorycznie vandalizuja artykuly. W mailu wyslalem Ci adres do niej, zawsze mozesz dolaczyc :)--Emax 16:45, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)

172
I didn't realize that you'd made some comments. I only saw that you'd taken comments made in certain places and taken them elsewhere, thus disrupting the dialogue. 172 21:42, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Look, I'm sorry if I couldn't find your comments. The reorganization made things so confusing that this was not readily noticeable when I compared the two versions. I don't know how you'll want it re-reorganized, so it's best that you place your comments where you want them while not rearranging the placement of those of others (a faux pas on Wikipedia that I would have corrected in good faith regardless of the user making it). 172 21:57, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This is a very bad case of cultural misunderstanding. Where I come from, calling someone a "nationalist" is not all all like calling someone a Nazi. It does not necessarily have a good or bad connotation. In Western academic literature, which is my main frame of reference for using this term, "nationalism" is one of the most ubiquitous concepts (see, e.g., the term used in this way in this article about Poland). Essentially, I meant it in a way that could be used interchangeably with "patriotic." In any case, I did not expect you to react to the term as you did. So, I'm very sorry about the misunderstanding. BTW, I did not call any individuals "nationalists" (perhaps I should say "patriots" now). I said that the article had a Polish nationalist bias. 172 22:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

country infoboxes
Hi, I noticed a comment of yours about the war over the country infoboxes. There's a new Solution E that's been proposed; I've changed my vote from the Solution D that I proposed earlier. The new option, proposed by Zocky, transcludes a subpage instead of using the template mechanism.

I have some concerns about the new Template:Infobox Country. While a template such as this can help bring greater order to the pages, I don't think that it's quite ready to deploy. I don't think it will be appropriate for all country pages. I also like the idea of off-loading the implementation of the infoboxes to a subpage, whatever their implementation. I've tried to get a dialogue going with little success.

Please see: Nepal's infobox is implemented at Nepal/infobox using Template:Infobox_Country; Tuvalu's is implemented at Tuvalu/infobox as a wiki table.

Discussion is @ Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries and voting's @ Country_infobox_vote.

Thanks. — Davenbelle 01:05, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)

Rusznica odp
Nie pamietam - pewnie z jakiegos zrodla. Chyba - chyba - tak pisalo na stronie o anti-tank rifles (czy anti-tank cos tam) kilka miesiecy temu i stamtad zaczerpnalem te dane. Moglbys sie wypowiedziec na Talk:Polish September Campaign? I co robimy z 172? Juz przynajmniej jeden admin z ktorym rozmawialem zglosil gotowosc by odblokowac nam strone, ale nie chcemy przeciez revert wara. Dogadamy sie z nim jakos czy nie, jak sadzisz? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:26, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No nacjonalizmu to ja u nas duzo nie widze. Co do misji, to biorac pod uwage, ze wymienia ja w swoim krotkim artykule (pol screena) Britannica, to ja bym nawet wzmianke zostawil w leadzie - ale wzmianke. Jak pisalem, Britannia pisze mniej wiecej tak 'Niewielka misja Fr zostala wyslana na pomoc Polsce, ale w praktyce Polska walczyla w izolacji'. Z innej beczki znowu - zerknij do Dimitriads jesli mozesz, bo ty chyba robiles campaign boxa - czy bitwy sa dla wszystkich dimitriad, czy tylko jednej, i jak wlasciwie one sie dziela? Pisalem na podstwie Britannici a ona ich nie numeruje (ani wogle tak nie nazwya). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:28, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)ser:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] 18:28, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Co do Dymitriad, to ze pamietasz te nazwy i daty lepiej, wrzuc je do artykulu, co?

 * My impression is that there might have been little controversy about the "Polish-Soviet War" article but for the injection at the last moment, into the lead, of the relatively massive quotation from D'Abernon. Even in the "Aftermath" section, I would consider reducing it to a laconic statement to the effect that "Edgar Vincent D'Abernon, a member of the French military mission to Poland, published a book terming the Battle of Warsaw 'The Eighteenth Decisive Battle of the World.'"  References to "Mahomet," Christianity and crusades will, especially these days, tend to unnecessarily inflame ethnic and religious passions.  Poland has, in modern times, had very loyal citizens who happened to be Moslems.
 * We have already agreed that once the article is unprotected the quote will qo off to Wikiquotes. I suggest we use Talk:Polish-Soviet War for any relevant discussion. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:28, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * The French military mission was not a large contingent and was, as I understand it, mostly advisory in nature (and I gather that most of its advice was ignored).
 * Well, they advised against Pilsudski's plan that lead to the Miracle at Vistula. I don't know about their other advices, perhaps they were more useful (or used). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:28, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * The "Polish-Soviet War" article reads well. If there are no substantial errors or omissions of fact, it will make a creditable addition to the Wikipedia.  Logologist 19:52, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I was hoping to FAC it soon. After it is unprotected, there will be some significant additoons based on materials provided in talk, for example more details about the French mission. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:28, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Polish city
Twoja propozycja zmiany szablonu, jest calkiem dobra. Z tym ze trzeba by bylo umieszczac szablon w odpowiedniej czesci artykulu (o nazwie miasta) i nie wsadzac w staby. Rowniez pomijac male miesciny ktore nie maja zadnego historycznego znaczenia. Nie sadze by kogos interesowala niemiecka nazwa np. Kurnikow Malych (In the German language, it has traditionally been known as Kleine Kurnicken...) gdzie stoja trzy domy, stodola, dwie sosny i buda dla psa :) --Emax 08:58, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)

Looknij na ta strone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:24.7.179.169 Czy ten niemiecki admin chris 73, nie obraza Polakow? (chyba ze cos zle zrozumialem) jezeli to robi - dopuszczone jest takie zachowanie administratorow na wiki?--Emax 07:18, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Same place?
Dzien dobry Halibutt! (hope I got that right!)

While looking through the geo-stubs (and finding occasional Belarus ones) I noticed Kalinkavichy and Kalinkovichi. I don't know enough about Belarus to say for sure, but they look like the same place to me (and if so, should be merged). You'd probably have a much better idea of whether they are - could you take a look and see whether they are the same or different? Thanks, Grutness|hello? 05:45, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

User talk:24.7.179.169
Ah, emax calling for help, I see. 1) The polish plait thingie was probably not the best idea, i agree. Sorry. Please also note, that i never edited the article, and agree with your removal of the polish culture category. 2) I am thinking about adding NPOV or disputed tags to selected articles. More to come. 3) worthless articles: Please read carefully, this is a comment by the anon, not by me. 4)The user called a mxxxx has the habit of belitteling other people in his edit summaries and comments, which i also find not good. In this case, he has to live with the "mxxxx", whatever that could mean. 5) capital letters: I am sloppy about that. Live with it. Chris 73 Talk 22:48, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Chris, "mxxxx" means moron, nothing else. You are calling me names first, then You accuse me of belittling others. That's what I call "consistency with a capital K". Space Cadet 00:18, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) Will refrain, apologized already, what more do you want? Oh, and while you're at it, could you ask emax not to use Auschwitz or space cadet to use liebchen for degrading others?
 * 3) Some articles related to poland are very dubious. Arthur Schopenhauer for example is listed even on the polish wiki as filozof niemiecki, yet is constantly reverted when listed as german philosopher on the english wiki. IMHO this behavior borders on vandalism. I will add a disputed tag soon. In general, Wikipedia is often criticized as being unreliable by many, if you find that offensive then so be it.
 * 4) mxxxx was - if my memory serves you right - the first time (in about 10,000 edits) that i used a mildly offensive word. YOU are not the offended party, the offended party may contact me anytime, but then would probably have to do a whole lot of apologies to different users himself. Maybe you can ask him to apologize, too, since you asked me so nicely. That probably has more success than me asking him, since you get along with him better. And, could you suggest me a word to describe his actions? I was considering infantile, childish, or immature, but that does not include the ill intentions of his comment.
 * 5) pure lazyness. I try my best on article edits, but don't do a spellcheck on talk pages or edit summaries. Hope you noticed how i spelled german in this comment.
 * 6) Thanks for translating the polish comment, i had a go at it with a dictionary and came to similiar conclusions.
 * Chris 73 Talk 03:07, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Just apologized to space cadet. -- Chris 73 Talk 03:50, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Liebchen is an outdated old form, which lowers the status of the addressee. A closer translation would be "sweetie-pie". While I would be not outraged if addressed in this manner, it would leave a certain hostility to its user. If possible, avoid its use in the future.
 * 3) I'll work on Schopenhauer. Just added German philosopher born in Gdańsk, Poland for a try.
 * 4) Seems i am getting along better with space cadet, although i still disagree with many of his edits.
 * 5) (resolved)
 * 6) Thanks again.
 * I didn't notice right away that you were moderating, since you mainly commented about my behavior, but little about the other parties. In any case, thanks for the help.-- Chris 73 Talk 05:32, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

Jan Nowak-Jeziorański
Niestety nie. Ale moze uzyc z http://www.gdansk.pl/gdansk/article.php?category=84&article=1360&history= jako fair use? Prawa autorskiej naleza do urzedu miasta, a urzad miasta do obywateli ;)--Emax 13:07, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Dobra robota - jak zwykle zreszta. Wrzucilem info na Wikinews . Dziwie sie, ze ze zdjeciem taki problem - nie mozna podciagnac go pod i takie tam komunistyczne zdjecia? Fakt, mieszkal na zachodzie, hmmm...no tak. Moze napisac do rodziny czy jakiejs fundacji - o, do Radia WE? - zwykle sie godza w takich przypadkach? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:06, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Oki, napisze o zdjecia w odpowiednich licenchach do RWE dzis. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:17, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Szare Szeregi
Nice sized article! That's what I like to see in new material. Here's a flower for the effort. Mgm|(talk) 11:55, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I also suggested it to be included in Template:Did you know (which I will probably end up doing myself). Please let me know if you have other facts in mind that may be better to use. Mgm|(talk) 12:13, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Dziękuję, kawał dobrej roboty, szkoda że nie pomagasz na naszej polskiej Wiki :) Pozdrawiam Szumyk 15:03, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Dobra robota :) Jak masz czas, moze zrobilbys stub do bitwy nad Niemnem, zebysmy mieli wszystkie najwazniejsze konflikty tej wojny zrobione? :) Aha, do RFE napisalem dzis po poludniu. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:46, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Antypolonizm
Dlaczego Pov'em? Masakrowanie cywilow tylko dlatego ze sa Polakami, jest antypolonizmem - robienie z Polakow idiotow, jak w przypadku Busha rowniez. Deportowanie niewinnych Polakow do lagrow rowniez. Co do artykulu, masz racje bardzo by sie przydal - moze bys sie zglosil na ochotnika, chodz w stworzeniu dluzszego staba? :)--Emax 22:50, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Zgadza sie, niechec do Polakow ktora rowniez wylania sie w przemocy. Z jednej strony "niegrozne" kawaly o Polakach w Stanach czy Niemczech, a z drugiej przybite polskie dzieci na drzewach na Wolyniu, masakry na Polakach przez Wehrmacht lub "wycieczka po chleb" na Sybir. Mysle ze kazdy Polak spotkal sie z przejawem antypolonizmu, szczegolnie w kontaktach z ludzmi z zagranicy. Jesli ogladales dzis transmisje z ONZ - mogles zobaczyc jak Geremek sie tlumaczy "swiatu", ze obozy koncetracyjne nie byly polskie, tylko miescily sie w Polsce. A wszystko za sprawa wrogo nastawionych dziennikarzy lub pisarzy, ktorzy z premedytacja (bo inaczej nieda sie tego wytlumaczyc) przekrecaja fakty historyczne by oczernic Polske i Polakow (juz troche protestow ambasadorow bylo w tej sprawie). Jak juz napisales kategoria antysemityzm rowniez obejmuje fakty przemocy. Wiec pov'u tu raczej niema.:)--Emax 23:18, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Good idea. Write it, I'll edit it.  Logologist 04:08, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Stub ready at Anti-Polonism. Halibutt 10:08, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * BTW, take a look at Polska :D Halibutt 10:16, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * Brawo panowie, przydalo by sie jakies zdjecie z niemiecka tablica "dla Polakow wstep wzbroniony" lub "tylko dla Niemcow" z czasow okupacji.--Emax 11:59, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

Requested moves
On Requested moves you stated that ''Oppose so much that I also oppose the next page move request made by this user. -- Netoholic @ 16:43, 2005 Jan 25 (UTC)''. Which move you mean? As far as I remember this is the first move proposed by me in a zillion years. Or is it not? Halibutt 19:11, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * It means only that I feel so opposed to this request, that my opposition is (metaphorically) spilling over into your next one. -- Netoholic @ 19:19, 2005 Jan 25 (UTC)

Bah, now I understand. And why is that so, if I may ask? Halibutt 19:22, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that the reasons are covered in the other voter comments quite well. Seems like a perusal of the naming conventions and at least an attempt at discussion on Talk:United States would have both been good first steps before bringing it to Requested Moves. -- Netoholic @ 19:26, 2005 Jan 25 (UTC)

Design
Just a note to let you know that I'm using your userpage to redesign the code for mine. Somehow my code is faulty on several machines. For that purpose I've copied and edited your userpage to a subpage of mine. I hope you don't mind. BTW the page I commented on earlier is now in "Did you know". Mgm|(talk) 12:02, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Crap! I've copied every single word, and the page only seems to load correctly in previews and diffs. I now have a page with white coloring even though I copied your coding. Any idea what's going on? Mgm|(talk) 12:25, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe because it's on a subpage? Mgm|(talk) 12:28, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

Sikorski
Fajnie zdjecie Sikora wstawiles. Przydalo by sie jakies zdjecie Bora w mundurze i czapce - ja mam jedno ale za jego mlodosci, na glowie ma troche splaszczona czapke - dosc brzydkie :)--Emax 13:55, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * Wlasnie o te zdjecie mi chodzilo, ta czapka jest na nim zbedna :) Postaram sie znalesc Kossaka. Przy okazji lookaj na Horst Köhler, bo mi sie skonczyly juz monety, a jakis czlowieczyna wycina informacje ze urodzil sie za czasow okupacji.--Emax 16:48, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * Znalazlem cos takiego, nie wiem kogo jest autorstwa, ale widnieje rowniez na ksiazce o bitwie niemenskiej - o to chodzilo?

--Emax 17:13, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Jednak nie, to Apoteoza Wojska Polskiego - Kossaka, nie wiem dlaczego sie znalazlo na ksiazce :)--Emax 17:17, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * Aha, wiec nazwa mnie zmylila :)--Emax 17:27, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * Moglbys zrobic rv na Horst Köhler? - jakis anon Steinbachowski upieksza historie--Emax 20:17, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Some help, maybe?
Halibutt, I was wondering if perhaps you might offer some help. Some of your countrymen have been engaged in copying and pasting the material from Free City of Danzig to Free City of Gdansk, and reverting back when others revert them. Obviously, people can disagree over which is the proper location for the page, but, given that earlier discussion generally came to a relative consensus on "Free City of Danzig," I think it's inappropriate for people to be engaging in unilateral revert wars without any discussion. As I said on Talk:Free City of Danzig, if somebody wants to make an argument that it should be at Free City of Gdansk, that's fine, but this kind of behavior is just inappropriate. Any help you would care to offer would be appreciated. If you disagree with me, of course, that is your prerogative. john k 21:04, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. In terms of whatever the current compromise is, I was never sure what that was - I don't think anybody ever agreed how the city should be referred to before 1793. I've not fooled with it in a long time, because I've been hoping that we'll eventually reach some specific accord on the subject - sadly, there's been no real talking about it for some time. But, as I said, if Emax (or Space Cadet, or whoever) wants to argue that we should have the thing at Free City of Gdansk, that's fine. Given what people have said in the past, I would guess that there would be a pretty strong feeling against such a move (I know I would oppose it), but it's perfectly appropriate to bring the matter up for discussion. What really irks me is all this reverting and quasi-moving without any discussion at all. john k 22:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

you seem to like to think of yourself as a reasonable person, so perhaps some reason also had been in order in regard to the German president? Your intervention in regard to the Free City of Danzig was admirable. Now, noone is denying that Horst Köhlers birthplace was in the occupied Poland, or more precisely, the General Government of Poland, but "Nazi occupied" isn't a neutral wording, because the National Socialists were a political ideology and party, not a state. Just like it wouldn't be neutral to use "Stalinist occupied Germany" when referring to Silesia or other places prior to the German-Polish peace treaty signed following the end of the cold war. I would kindly ask you also to explain this to your friend User:Emax, as I unfortunately don't speak a single word Polish (judging by his talk page, he seems only to understand Polish). As for Mrs. Steinbach, she was not born in the occupied part of Poland, but in that part that was reannexed into West Prussia after 19 years of Polish administration. It was de jure German territory, and that's why she is legally an expellee according to German law, and that's why the Bundestag biography states that her birthplace was Rahmel, West Prussia. In articles concerning German politicians, German law should be most important. You can like it or not, but these borders have changed constantly during history. If you refer to her birthplace as "occupied Poland" (because there was no formal peace treaty between Germany and the exiled fascist government of Poland), you also have to refer to places like Silesia as "occupied Germany" prior to the formal peace treaty signed in 1991, in articles dealing with Polish politicans, for instance. Don't tell me you really want that. Wikipedia cannot use double standards, one for one country, and another for another country.

I tried to make a compromise for both articles, removing controversial sentences and adding more detailed explanations. Perhaps you could take a look at these versions and tell me if you disagree with something. I will abstain from reverting the pages for now. Take care. 14:10, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I understand english but don't speak it very well - schone grusse an frau Steinbach und den rest des (braunen) vertriebenen vereines.--Emax 14:46, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * Your comment is not appropriate. Mrs. Steinbach is heading a respected organisation with 2 million members, one of the largest political organisations of Germany. Her organisation is primarily concerned with human rights and helping refugees to integrate into the society and securing their cultural heritage.

Re: Oppose (though not strongly) for the reasons stated above by Piotrus. Piotrus' objections have now been resolved on History of Russia. 172 15:15, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Muscovite
A wiesz...nie wykluczam. Juz nie wiem czy skopiowalem ta skas czy ja zrobilem ten blad - jesli to blad, daj mi znac, zebym sie znowu tak nie splamil :D --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:40, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nowak-Jezioranski
Wykombinowalem calkiem fajne zdjecie, tylko przydalo by sie jeszcze jedno w starszym wieku--Emax 21:19, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Moglbys mnie wesprzec na ? Zostalem zbanowany na falszywych podstawach, podanych przez Gene (przyjaciela zza urala) i Chrisa79 (ktore specjalnie napisal ze revertowalem 4 razy (czego nie zrobilem) by mi dokopac - domyslasz sie za co). Pakt ribbentrop-molotow na wikipedi...

Skoro nie zlamalem 3rr powinienem byc natychmiastowo odbanowany, ale zaden operator sie z tym nie kwapi. - Emax

 * Dzieki--Emax 12:35, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Dodalem chrisa do Requests for arbitration (za jego najazd na Polakow) - moj postulat jest odrzucany z wiadomoscia "Reject; no previous dispute resolution attempted" - jak dobrze rozumiem, chodzi o to ze nie bylo wczesniejszych prob rozwiazania tak? A dodanie go do listy "Vandalism in progress" i odrzucenie zbanowania go za obraze Space Cadeta, by moglo byc zaliczone za probe wczesniejszego rozwiazania problemu?--Emax 18:04, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Belweder
Thanks for moving this item to its own site. I should've done it myself, but it only occurred to me later. I didn't realize the president lives in the old Council of State building. Hope matters get squared away before long with the "Battle of Warsaw" and the "Polish-Soviet War," which are interesting articles. What's next on your agenda, if it's not premature to ask? Logologist 04:13, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your remarks of February 3.

 * If there isn't already a museum devoted to Józef Pi&, why not put one at the Belweder Palace? It was, after all, his residence much of the time after World War I.  (My father as an artillery reserves podchorąży visited the Belweder, presumably before Piłsudski's death in 1935, and--when no one was present--yielded to the temptation to heft Piłsudski's marshal's baton.)

 * I am indeed bilingual, having grown up zagranicą in a Polish-speaking household; and I've written and translated quite a bit. In my part of the world, unfortunately, the public's attention tends to be focused on current or recent great powers of one sort or other.  It's refreshing to find ample, unbiased information on matters Polish in an internet encyclopedia.  France's 18th-century Encyclopedists modernized Europe; perhaps the Wikipedia's encyclopedists can do the same for the 21st-century world.  Logologist 02:04, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Prosba o pomoc - blitzkrieg
Bylbym wdzieczny gdybys zerknal na Talk:Blitzkrieg i ten revert. Byc moze nie mam racji - nie chce samotnie zaczynac rv wara z tym 119. Ale jesli uwazasz, ze mam racje, bylbym wdzieczny gdybys wspomnial o tym na talku tej strony i ew. zrewertowal 119. Dzieki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:44, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Arthur Schopenhauer
Hi. At one point you contributed to the discussion on Arthur Schopenhauer. Currently the page is protected due to the same Gdansk/Danzig dispute as before. Comments by any side are welcome. A temporary version is at Arthur Schopenhauer/Temp. Thank you -- Chris 73 Talk 01:00, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Repatriate
'"depatriated", or "deprived of their homeland"' Thery were and that's what "repatriate" means: "to send someone back to his homeland against his will, as of refugees" or "person who returns to his or her country or citizenship, having left said native country either against his or her will, or as one of a group who left for reason of politics, religion, or other pertinent reasons." Just because the communist propaganda has used, or rather – misused, a word it does not mean that one cannot use this word anymore, on the contrary, it should be used and its true meaning should be restored. When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is, " said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty. "which is to be master—that's all."
 * As I said, just because some people MISuse a word one should not stop using it correctly. Also meaning of many words does change overtime - many dictionaries include "forcibly" when defining repatriate .  BTW, Satan is not rally a huge authority on language to a lot of people, myself included.--Roo72 11:47, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Candidate for BJAODN?
Spotted this while I was doing my regular Wikiholic test. It was recently been edited, so it may be of interest to you. Looks like BAJODN material to me =P - Mailer Diablo 17:33, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Prośba
Przypomniała mi się dzisiaj przypadkiem pewna rozgrzebana mapka. Ma ona pewne błędy, o których kiedyś rozmawialiśmy i warto byłoby ją poprawić. Pozdrawiam gorąco. Silthor 00:56, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikiportal
Co myślisz o założeniu Wikiportalu poświęconego Polsce? Ausir 14:25, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vote on Talk:Gdansk/Vote
Hi. Since you have edited on pages with disputes about the names of Polish/German locations, I would invite you to vote on Talk:Gdansk/Vote to settle the multi-year dozends-of-pages dispute about the naming of Gdansk/Danzig and other locations. The vote has two parts, one with questions when to use Gdansk/Danzig, and a second part affecting articles related to locations with Polish/German history in general. An enforcement is also voted on. The vote has a total of 10 questions to vote on, and ends in two weeks on Friday, March 4 0:00. Thank you -- Chris 73 Talk 00:38, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) Patrz:

Hi, and thanks for voting on Talk:Gdansk/Vote. I just checked all edits, and the software is sometimes acting funny, removing one edit with a subsequent edit. Could you check these diffs     to see if all votes are placed where you wanted them to, or if a vote was removed accidentially. If everything is fine, then never mind, and thanks for voting -- Chris 73 Talk 02:41, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikiportal/United Kingdom
 * Wikiportal/United States of America
 * Wikiportal/Canada
 * Wikiportal/India

Pączki in IPA?
Since you changed the pronunciation key in Wroclaw from some non-standard format to IPA sometime long ago, I wondered if you could do the same for Paczki. The spelling "PONCH-key" is only slightly better than gibberish, to me, and my edition of "Longman Pronuncation Dictionary" does not list the word. —Gabbe 16:35, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * No need for audio, the IPA will suffice. Thanks! —Gabbe 19:41, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Kacik Kosmonautyki Pieszej
Tak, teraz to "Ojczyzna w potrzebie", a jak proponowalem by wszystkie miasta (z wyjatkiem Kaliningradu) nazywac konsekwentnie po dzisiejszemu, nawet w odnisieniu do przeszlosci (tak jak to robi Britannica), to kolega intelektualizowal i odcinal sie od brzydkich "nacjonalistow". No, nic... uruchomie skarpetki. Space Cadet 18:28, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree. Otherwise, depending on period (even period in the same biographee's life!), we end up shifting continually between Londinum, Londres, London; Mediolanum, Milan; St. Petersburg, Petrograd, Leningrad, St. Petersburg; Wilno, Vilnius; Lwow, Lemberg, Lvov, Lviv; Danzig, Gdansk.  (Same for names of countries:  the cases of Congo, Russia, Ceylon, Burma...)  Would it make sense, now or later, to suggest standardizing the nomenclatures according to current usages?  For the sake of the sanity of authors — and of their readers? Logologist 23:07, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A teraz mamy plebiscyt. Madry Polak po szkodzie.Rübezahl 01:21, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A skonczy sie na tym ze bedziemy mieli plebiscyty na wszystkich miastach ziem zachodnich i polnocnych. Space Cadet 04:12, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * E-tam, nie ma co dramatyzować. A samo głosowanie uważam za z gruntu słuszne, potrzebne i - do pewnego stopnia - zbawienne. Ileż czasu możnaby zaoszczędzić, gdyby tylko zorganizowano je jeszcze za czasów Niko... A konsekwentne nazywanie miast ich dzisiejszymi imionami nadal uważam za złe. Takie rozwiązanie ma wiele zalet, ale jeszcze więcej wad. Bitwa pod Wołgogradem..? Zdobycie Istambułu? A może L'viv stolicą Galicji... Halibutt 06:57, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

Plebiscyt przegrany... Sepy juz biora sie za Elblag... Moze sami powinnismy im pomoc? Space Cadet 00:40, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

naming convention vote
Halibutt, do you really seriously contend that the city at the end of the Vistula was predominantly Polish in the period from 1466 to 1793?

Sca 20:11, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Map for Polish-Soviet War
Mogłbyś zrobić mapke to wojny - obrazek jest ładny, ale jest wykorzystany przy Bitwie Warszawskiej, w dodatku nie ma w artykule wogole mapy 2RP. Np. cos takiego jak tylko po angielsku byloby wspaniale...jak tylko bedzie mapka i nie bedzie innych sprzeciwow, mysle ze mozna by nominac artykul do FACa :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:52, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Dzieki za komentarz w FACu. Co do mapy, moze skontaktuj sie z gosciem, ktory wypowiedzial sie na [Talk:Polish-Soviet_War#Main_picture]] ze zabierze sie za jej zrobienie - po co macie dublowac sie w robicie...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:02, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, your answer (on my talk page) confuses me: Which is it, the city was predominantly Polish then, or it was politically part of the Polish state but was predominantly German? I must say it's difficult to see the logic of referring to a city by anything other than what its inhabitants at the time referred to it as.

As to New York and English -- that's silly and you know it. It also would be silly to refer to New York as Nieuw Amsterdam when referring to any period in which it was inhabited primarily by English speakers. And if the King of Holland chose to call it Nieuw Amsterdam after it became an English-speaking city, that would be silly, too.

As we say in English: Saying it's so doesn't make it so. Calling the city in question Gdansk when referring to a period in which it was inhabited primarily by people who called it Danzig doesn't make it into Gdansk during that time.

Sca 21:21, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Halibutt, could you oblige me by telling me how to pronounce Wrzeszcz?

Dziekuje.

Sca 20:42, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OK, I read the approximations in English on my page. How do you say "Yikes!" in Polish?

Sca 20:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How about one that's equivalent to "Menschenskinder!" or (arch.) "Ach du lieber!" in Ger.? Or "good grief!" in Eng? That is, an exclamation that implies that the topic or item under discussion is shockingly ... big, expensive, difficult, weird, baffling, impossible -- in short, THE POLISH LANGUAGE! :-)

Sca 23:49, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image source
Thank you for uploading Image:Andrzej Munk.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --Ellmist 06:07, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty and reassigned this picture using Template:Polishpd, as that is almost for certain the case. Please revert if this is an error. Przepla 20:55, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nietzsche's origins
Halibutt,

Did you know Nietzsche apparently was of Polish extraction?

There is a autobiographical passage – in German, I'm afraid – about it on the discussion page with the Nietzsche entry.

Is it just my imagination, or do he and Walesa look somewhat alike?

Sca 18:16, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * He was probably NOT of Polish extraction, but he had a mania for nobility and tried to prove that he came from a Polish szlachta family called Nicki which moved to Saxony and changed its name.

--Alexvonf 11:12, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, isn't there one possibility for Nietzsche to stay correct by saying this?:

"I was taught to ascribe the origin of my blood and name to Polish noblemen who were called Niëtzky and left their home and nobleness about a hundred years ago, finally yielding to unbearable suppression: they were Protestants."

They could be polish noblemen Niezky until they have came to Germany, with the noble rights in Poland but without this rights in Germany. In Germany they could change their names and take a sort of a civil service until, finally, 100 years before FWN they took the service as pastors and abandoned their polish nobility/rights automatically or per request.

A couple of images
Hello Halibutt. Did you take the photos Image:Wroclaw hala ludowa.jpg and Image:Wroclaw plac solny.jpg? And could you tag them? Thanks, – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 02:02, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Also Image:Wroclaw ratusz.jpg and Image:Wroclaw uniwersytet.jpg. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 02:11, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Bring back quickpolls
I think it's time that quickpolls be re-evaluated as a solution to short term disputes between users. What say you? -- R yan!  |  Talk  05:12, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Sikorski article up for FAC
Hi Halibutt, I noticed that Wladyslaw Sikorski has been put up as a FAC by User:Piotrus. Since you are one of the Poland experts here on en, I thought it would be valuable to hear what you think about the article, especially its comprehensiveness... Fawcett5 22:54, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

en:Template:PD-Poland i pl:Szablon:PD-PRL
on de there is a vote for deleting this template on de (de:Vorlage:Bild-PD-Polen because its said, that it is not valid anymore after Poland joined the EU .. if you know something could you please leave a note on de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/27. März 2005 ... or could you promote this to people who could know/on a better pleace on en and maybe pl?! .. thanks in advance ... Sicherlich  talk 21:13, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Aaron Dixon
Could you tell me what is aaron dixon that you put back into History of Europe? Nova77 05:39, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Anon edits do count, and Lithuania is not part of Poland
Hey, even if you-re pro-Polish and like polonized names in English Wikipedia, you should treat anon users as humans as well. I saw your reverted edits, where changes were quite nice ones ;-)

"Wilno naszo"?
Hey, I saw Halibutt changing English name of city into Polish name... Is it really correct? I know that Vilnius/Wilno in English is called Vilnius, not Wilno. It's not the case when name of city was changed (Constantinople->Istanbul), this city has always had this name, so please remember that in nowadays city is called Vilnius and even in historic articles the name for the city is Vilnius.
 * .The historical English name of the city is Vilna and this is the name that should be used in historical articles pertaining to conditions before 1939, as it is more neutral than Wilno or Vilnius. You cannot mention the birthplace of t.ex. Anthony Radziwill in the 18th Century as "Vilnius", as the Lithuanian name was hardly known in that time. To avoid Polish-Lithuanian controverses it is best to stick to old English names. Another idiocy that I saw was the mention of Lviv as a Polish city awarded the Order Virtuti Militari...

--Alexvonf 11:08, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Halibutt, I read once again all the discussions about Vilnius naming in English articles. I see you accept that Wilno is Polish name and Vilna for the period until 1945 is better. Basically it isn't a big deal but in this case Lithuanians are very sensitive and I don't really like the fact that the capital of Lithuania de jure for period 1920-1940 is given a Polish name in an ENGLISH article. The truth is that in the articles for the period till 1900 name Vilnius is used. In English language, there wasn't such a name but we're not searching for authentic names... The purpose of all articles is that everyone understands them. I strongly doubt if Wilno is clearer that Vilnius. I'm not trying to change the history, I just want to make sure it's clear and English. So are there any issues to be solved before we reach consensus? My suggestion: Vilnius (preferably) OR Vilna for 1323-1945 (with explanations about Wilno where needed), Vilnius for 1945-NOW). It seems that on Talk:Vilnius everybody also agrees on this. --Meier 02:16, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tank template
You created it, how do you fancy putting a line in for suspension (type)? GraemeLeggett 15:00, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Olyka
Where did you get the information that the palace in Olyka is destroyed? Have a look an the newest edidtion of Polish Encyclopaedia, you will see that it is completely restored...

--Alexvonf 10:54, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Prince or Duke
Jako Grand Duke okreslalo sie w.ks. Litwy, jako Duke roznych drobnych Rurykowiczow dopoki panowali, ale rosyjskich kniaziow np. Obolenski, Golicyn, Jusupow jako Prince. Miarodajny w tym przypadku jest jedynie Almanach de Gotha, nie wiem czy jestes z nim obeznany. Wieksza jasnosc istnieje w niemieckiej nomenklaturze: Prinz-tylko rody panujace albo w primogeniturze najstarszy syn Fürsta ( o ile taki przywilej byl nadany), Fürst - panujacy lub z nadania, Herzog - panujacy lub z nadania.Niestety polski ma tylko okreslenie "ksiaze", ale mial tez w 19 .w. okreslenie "kronprinc" - nastepca tronu Prus czy Rudolf syn Franca Jozefa.

--Alexvonf 11:32, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re:Ratunku
Dalej masz ten problem? Mnie sie to zdarza od czasu do czasu, powodem jest chyba obciazenie serwerów wiki. Zapytaj sie tez na IRCu. No i 'glad you're back!' :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I jaki byl powod/rozwiazanie? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:31, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Malpeczka Wileńska :)
Auc. Coz, to zdecydowanie podchodzi pod wandalizm. Raz, moge w kazdej chwili zaprotektowac strone. Dwa, moge zabanowac goscia po IP, niestety, uzywa on jakiegos dial-upa wiec musialbym banowac po rangu a to jest niezalecane, bo moze w niewinnych trafic. Trzy - popytam sie na ircu. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:31, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Czy rozumiesz na czym polega ten problem z zablokowaniem 85.206.194.0/22 ? Lysy 14:52, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Wydaje mi sie, ze po prostu nikt nie zablokowal 85.206.194.0/22. Admini blokuja pojedyncze adresy, co w tym przypadku jest jedna z gorszych taktyk, jakie mozna przyjac :-( Lysy 15:12, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * zglosilem na Vandalism in progress, może tam ktoś pomoże. Lysy 18:06, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vilnius talk page vandal
I have blocked the anon's last know IP for 15 minutes, which is the maximum I can do. It might not do much in the long run but he has been repeatedly warned that he would be blocked if he continued to behave in that manner; so I followed thorugh on those threats to the maximum extent I can. Halibutt you may want to consider filing an Rfc against this user, anon or not. At the least it will get more ideas going about how to deal with him/her. But first, you should inquire about what can be done from someone like Hephaestos or Jiang who probably has a better idea about what to do than I. On second thought I'll ask myself. -JCarriker 14:16, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

 * I have gotten confirmation that the vandal has a dynamic IP, meaning he changes IP constantly. This eliminates the problem posed by a range IP. I have blocked two of his IPs indefinitely. Undoubtly he will have more IPs, but we can block them the first time he uses them too. I have provided a link here to the block log to give you the opportunity that I had, to relish blocking him, if you so desire. Also, I don't think any one would blame you if you removed everything he posted from the talk page or at the least archived it to make the page more usable. -JCarriker 14:21, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Menachem Begin
Look at my answer at this talk page -- Obradović Goran  ( t al k  16:53, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Voting Warschau/Warsaw
Hi. Since you have edited on pages with disputes about the names of German/polish locations, I would invite you to vote on Warsaw/Vote to settle the multi-year dozends-of-pages dispute about the naming of Warschau/Warsaw and other locations.--Schlesier 08:43, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Halibutt, I read in the John Paul II entry that "his youth was marked by intensive contacts with the then-thriving Jewish community of Kraków." Do you know anything about this?

Czesc!

Sca 18:55, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PS: You might be interested in my comment on the so-called Warsaw naming vote.

Vilnius posts
An excellent idea. I've moved both Dirgela's post on my talk page and my post his/hers to Talk:Vilnius. -JCarriker 03:59, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * Halibucie, milcząco olałeś moją propozycję pracy nad kopią User:Lysy/History_of_Vilnius i kontynuujesz próby dyskusji z tym świrem. Myśle, że to beznadziejna strata czasu. Z drugiej strony widzę, że zacząleś rozwijać nowy wątek na ten sam temat na Talk:Vilnius. Czy to świadomie czy przez przeoczenie ? Martwię się, że dyskusja się nam rozjedzie, jeśli będziemy robić to samo w dwóch miejscach równolegle. Rzuć proszę w wolnej chwili na User_talk:Lysy/History_of_Vilnius.Lysy 10:14, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Sociology

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 * Inclusion (education), to do with students with special educational needs spending most or all of their time with non-disabled students

Science and technology

 * Inclusion (mineral), any material that is trapped inside a mineral during its formation
 * Inclusion bodies, aggregates of stainable substances in biological cells
 * Inclusion (cell), insoluble non-living substance suspended in a cell's cytoplasm
 * Inclusion (taxonomy), combining of biological species
 * Include directive, in computer programming

Mathematics

 * Inclusion (set theory), or subset
 * Inclusion (Boolean algebra), the Boolean analogue to the subset relation
 * Inclusion map, or inclusion function, or canonical injection
 * Inclusion (logic), the concept that all the contents of one object are also contained within a second object

Other uses

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