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Talk:Moonwalk (dance)

Charlie Chaplin did it First!! (who's surprised? not I)
Sorry guys, but Chaplin did it first in his movie Modern Times in 1936. You can watch the video on youtube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exhaledeeply (talk • contribs) 20:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Origin of name
But it does seem (from items cited) as if the actual name just derives from Apollo 11 connected Moon fever, in HR Pufnstuf ! 150.143.161.221 (talk) 08:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Not Created by Mike
Break dancers were doing it before Mike and Mike lifted it from them. Mike just made it famous and acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.187.106 (talk) 22:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

How-To
I (and perhaps many other curious folks out there) would really, REALLY like to know if someone who is knows the dance really well can conceptualize a dance diagram on this article for the rest of us to learn and practice -- Anon 2005-12-20.

i believe i saw it once on videojug somewhere Abb615 (talk) 02:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Michael the Inventor
I am not interested in this article at all. But I think you may want to know Michael Jackson is one of the co-inventors of the moon walk mechanical stage apparatus. U.S. patents are in the public domain you can use pictures from Michael patent documentation. -- Toytoy 15:20, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * I looked for information on that and didn't find any; I did find information about an apparatus to "simulate anti-gravity", used on the "leaning forward without falling" routine. Can you please give a link to the apparatus you mention? Or was it a mix-up? -- tmegapscm 2005-08-10

That was a mix-up for sure. You don't need any mechanical apparatus to perform the moonwalk. 88.116.53.226 (talk) 23:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

WTF People. Michael Jackson invented this dance. This needs to be known in history. It would be a travesty if the universe did not know about Michael Jackson and at least embellish on his contribution.

Michael Jackson did not invent the moonwalk, it was being done way before he did it and was generally called the back slide. However it probably should be noted that MJ did perfect the move and increased its popularity immensely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.235.182 (talk) 20:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Not only did Michael Jackson not invent the backslide, I don't even agree that he first popularised it worldwide. Jeffrey Daniels was widely seen and imitated performing the move as part of his pop-locking routines while touring with Shalamar at the peak of their fame. This was from 1980 onwards. Similarly, he did not 'perfect' the move. I witnessed youths in Nigeria performing sophisticated versions of the backslide in 1981 (before Michael Jackson first publically performed it). As opined above, MJ increased its popularity immensely. To see convincing argument that backsliding was popular as a streetdance in urban California and New York even further back, see section below:
 * Centrepull (talk) 07:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank You for referencing my material stating that Micheal Jackson did not invent the Moonwalk because I know this because i was a pop locker and was doing the moonwalk years before that and many other African American kids were doing it years before me. This is not something that i read from a book it's what I have lived and I was just one of the thousands of contributors to the dances original popularity because upon returning to the east coast coming from the west coast in 1980-81 I exposed it to lots of people who had never seen it nor Pop Locking before at that time. Keep in mind that at that time the dance was not even nationally known let alone globally. Video evidence also confirms that before that it was indeed called the Backslide and was done first as far as we know by tap dances of the 20's and 30's I believe which was new information for me upon watching a Spike Lee Joint where he included a clip during the closing credits. I also agree that there were semi popular moonwalkers before MJ who had achieved a level of popularity that never existed in urban America before.

However, I disagree that MJ was not the one who popularized it and exposed it to the nation and to the world. Having been a Pop Locker and Moonwalker I was quite in tune with what was going on in the urban dance world at that time and I lived through MJ exposing it to the world although a lot of people were already familiar with it expecially in inner city African American urban America. In fact the dance was all but a passing fad beginning to die out by the time MJ revived it in 1983. He did in fact perfect and popularized the dance nationally eventually globally although in the general urban environment it was already popular there and was no need for his influence for it to be popular there. And I believe so even though I had seen with my own eyes much better moonwalkers than the king of Pop that were NOT caught on tape in the streets of L.A.. But the urban environment has its own (usually ignored by mainstream media) market of talent, innovators and fans that usually don't make into mainstream media until they are close to dying out and urban innovators have begun to move on to bigger and better things in their world. This is where the term "Ghetto Superstar" comes from. MJ by NO MEANS invented, pioneered nor co-invented or even modified the dance, but he does get the credit from this old school Pop-Locker/Moonwalker for perfecting and "Popularizing" it nationally and Globally. (J.Parham Old School Pop Locker/Moonwalker (1978-1984)) Please don't misunderstand my comments because I have great admiration of Micheal Jackson and Like all of us grew up with him as part of my life. I don't remember a time without MJ. I also admired his ability and desire to stay in touch with the urban environment and incorporated those dances into his dance style. They say immitation is the highest form of flattery and I believe the was Mikes way of showing how much he admired unrecognized urban talent through imitation. This is a part of MJ's phylosopy and legacy that has been forgotten but growing up I heard him say many times how he studied and admired street dancers and other talents.

P.S. I quit Pop Locking and Moonwalking at the ripe old age of 18 in 1984 because I felt I was "TOO OLD" for it and it was time to move on to bigger and better things which for me was music and college. Besides except for Micheal Jackson doing it the Pop-Lock/Moonwalk trend had actually died out in mainstream urban America and unbenounced to me had gone deep underground after that only to resurface in the 90's although still not to its original popularity even till now in 2010(J.P) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.211.16.50 (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Much Earlier Michael Jackson Moonwalk
During a 1975 Carol Burnett Show appearance with his brothers, while they were performing their hit "Dancing Machine" Michael did a few dance steps which were very similar to his later moonwalks. This indicates that he was doing the moonwalk long before his groundbreaking "Motown 25" performance of Billie Jean in 1983. User:TimothyHorrigan Timothy Horrigan 01:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I took a look at that clip and the moves Mike did were nothing like the moonwalk and the rest of the moves were from a dance called "The Robot" which was popular at the time which Mike also took from the urban African American crowd which he is part of and incorporated into their act. Keep in mind that Mike ALWAYS paid close attention to current dance trends and incorporated them into his own original dance moves. Only 50% of most of his most famous moves were original, the rest were incorporated from national urban African American dance trends througout his career right up until the Moonwalk. Mind you I was born in 1965, watched Jacksons contantly including their cartoon. There were'nt many black shows on then. I became a street dancer in LA in 1978 through 1984. We Pop-locked moonwalked (on concrete mind you) and Electric Boogalloed day in and day out. I'm African American and part of the African American urban crowd, and also lived on the East coast after rap became popluar and saw all the changes of Hip Hop. This is history I've lived not read about. Now if you have better credentials on this subject than that please state them if not open ears and take notes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jparham3 (talk • contribs) 08:20, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Bill Bailey
I removed this reference, Bill Bailey seems to have been quite a tap dancer but it's not even close to a backslide and there are other pieces of fact in the article showing that Michael Jackson was not first anyway.
 * However, it is important to note that the earliest video for the backslide is that of Bill Bailey from 1955.

Arru 10:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

A surprise in the Bill Bailey video. I have just viewed Bill Bailey's routine, and I didn't see anything resembling a moonwalk until the very, very end. Then, boom, there it was...a walk-off move. Perhaps a bit more like a backslide, but nevertheless very legitimate. Maybe the editor who removed the link wasn't aware that the anticipated move was at the very end. I have been studying the moonwalk for about a year now, and I think Bill Bailey's move should be noted. Thanks Mbanak 04:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC).

Well what do you know! I reinserted it together with a note that viewers need to wait until the very end of the video. I've put it in external links since, given the other information in the article, Bill Bailey was not pioneering the backslide. Arru 14:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Given other claims in the origins section, Bill Bailey's reference was put there instead. I've refactored this part to make it less self-contradictory. Arru 15:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

One Step Ahead
2 years prior to Jackson, New Zealand band Split Enz had a video clip based on the Neil Finn hit One Step Ahead. The keyboardist Eddie Rayner performed the move, & though his feet were moving backwards in accordance to the technique, he actually slowly moves forwards. The video can be found here
 * I removed this because the article can't claim it's a moonwalk prior to Jackson and an incorrect one at the same time. IMO it's a pretty skilled front float. Arru 15:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not know who Billy Bailey is but the Moonwalk, although not as polished was performed during the musical 'A Cabin in the sky' by a tap dancer. This film was from the late 1940's. Please give credit where credit is do!67.177.215.166 21:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Bryan Layne
Excised the following:
 * A variation more closely resembling the modern-day moonwalk was invented by Bryan Layne, a cabinet installer from Mississippi, who called it the backslide.

Claims of "invention" must certainly be backed up by citations. Until then, it rests here. Arru 15:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Graeme Garden
Removed for lack of citation:
 * Prior to that Graeme Garden had performed a similar type of walk on The Goodies.

Arru 15:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Black crowd
where he debuted it during his famous "Billie Jean" routine, in which the black crowd was on their feet cheering. What is the relevance of the crowd being black? Saintkevin 23:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC) The relevance of the crowd being black was because the crowd happened to be black because the channel that he did it on was called BET, that stands for Black Entertainment Television. The Black Entertainment Television was a product of the same forces that created African American History month which was a lack or proper reprentation in media and entertainment for black Ameicans...FUBU. Whites want to be apart of things once they become popular but shun them when they are not. The relevance is that blacks created and embrased these dances when whites would have nothing to do with them. That's the relevance of the crowd being black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.211.16.50 (talk) 03:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

 * A full paragraph of non sequiturs in reply to Saintkevin that proves nothing. I know, I know, these mzungus are terrible, ain't they? I wish they would stick to rock'n'roll, jazz, and the other stuff they invented. Oops! But it doesn't even look like BET had anything to do with the Motown 25th Anniversary show, anyway. Anyone clicking the link about the show should be able to draw their own conclusions about the composition of the audience, if they are interested. Centrepull (talk) 09:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

These mzungus as you say did not create Rockin' Roll or Jazz, African Americans did. If we were going to tell you to stick to something that "these mzungus" created it would be Blue Grass, country music and classical.

Jazz, Blues, Rock & Roll, Dance, Pop, R&B, Hip Hop, Soul, Neo Soul, and Rap are all African American innovations. I think you failed American Music History 101. Find a big word for "one who is grossly missinformed". Remember that it is better to be thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Cooley ASSNAB??
"The actual inventor, Solid Gold dancer "Cooley ASSNAB", taught Michael Jackson the moonwalk. This was evident at the extraordinary Motown 25 Concert, where he debuted it during his famous "Billie Jean" routine, in which the crowd was on their feet cheering."

What kind of crap is this? Nowhere else I've heard that "Cooley ASSNAB" be the "actual inventor" of Moonwalk. Also, how can the crowd's cheering for Michael Jackson make it "evident" that he was taugt it by Assnab? Someone please explain to me... Bab —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.238.26.77 (talk) 10:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Even as an old School pioneer of Poplock and Moonwalk I don't claim to know exactly who taught Mike the dance but I do know that whomever taught him either was or learned it themeslves from the street kids of Los Angeles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.91.108 (talk) 02:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup
Okay, I get it, it's Michael Jackson's signature move. I don't think the article needs to mention that half a dozen times. Toscaesque 19:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Photoreq
I know there's already a photo for this article, but I have requested a new one because the current one is of very poor quality. Dar-Ape 03:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Boogaloos
i found this video of the boogaloos from the 70's, doing moonwalks and the MJ "Cobrasteen" before MJ did it. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4702017

What a strange article
Almost the entire text of this article seems to be concerned with making absolutely sure that the reader knows that Michael Jackson did not invent the move. There are numerous examples of performances before Michael Jackson, all apparently under the heading of "origin". Shouldn't the origin just be concerned with the first time the move was performed or created? The article currently reads as if it has a chip on its shoulder about people thinking that MJ invented it, and just wants to reinforce over and over again that he didn't. The first section clearly explains that MJ didn't invent the move, and that should be sufficient. Yet the next sentence is simply "Jean-Louis Barrault mimed the Moon Walk before Michael Jackson." OK, we get it! Other people did it first!

I suggest we rename this article to "Moonwalk, Michael Jackson Did Not Invent The". --86.129.110.156 (talk) 10:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

What about the Kamikazi Kid episode of Quantum Leap, where Scott Bacula teaches a young Michael Jackson how to moonwalk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.229.213 (talk) 07:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the text that displays that Michael Jackson did not invent the move, needs trimming. It is verifed however in other articles including the Michael Jackson biography that despite popular belief the move was not his own, so I think it should be mentioned... but I think one time in the lede would be enough. Wolfpeaceful (talk) 18:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I took this out of the article:
 * "As Stern and Stern wrote in their 1992 Encyclopedia of Pop Culture, Michael Jackson's signature moonwalk "became the single best-known bit of celebrity body language since the four Beatles."(ref)As quoted in Ben Schott, Schott's Mischellany Calendar 2009 (New York: Workman Publishing, 2008), November 22.(/ref)

because, I feel, that its an unnecessary regurgetation of the preceding sentence... and this might be better included on one of the articles on Michael Jackson. Wolfpeaceful (talk) 18:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

and this:
 * "In numerous interviews, Jackson has attributed the dance that he now is credited for, to ordinary children, whom he saw doing a variation of what we now call the moonwalk and he took it that step further to first perform it on Motown 25 where he wowed fans and is now a feature of perhaps his most popular single Billie Jean."

This also would be better suited for a Michael Jackson article. Wolfpeaceful (talk) 18:30, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The How To
The "Perform The Moonwalk" section needs rewriting. I'd normally suggest deleting it, however since it is a popular staple dance move I think it should be changed from a "How To" format, to a descriptive nature of the dance moves instead. "How To's" are generally unencyclopedic in nature. Wolfpeaceful (talk) 18:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Add a video?
While browsing the Michael Jackson article, I saw this video. Maybe a good fit for this article too? MaximusBrood (talk) 13:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC) thumb|Jackson moonwalks during his performance on Motown 25

Say huh
This line "David Bowie is probably the first rock musician to perform the move, however he remained stationary" makes no sense. If the dancer remains stationary, the move cannot rightfully be classified as a Moonwalk, because by definition the dance requires mobility. Also, since this states "probably" there really is no verifiability to this claim, despite the sourcing. If it remains in the article, perhaps it shoud be reworded to state that Bowie "is probably the first rock musician to "immitate" the move..." Wolfpeaceful (talk) 17:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Question for DKqwerty
Hi, you said in your edit summary that the large chunk of material I restored was removed because it lacks sources. I was wondering how you knew that's why it was removed. It was another account that removed it, and that account left no edit summaries about sources, and no explanation on this page that I can see. Was there a discussion about it elsewhere? SlimVirgin talk| contribs 19:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * It's self-evident. Most of this article should be removed because half the references are YouTube videos. But then there would be nothing left. However, that doesn't excuse additional unsourced info being added; two wrongs don't make a right.
 * BTW, the  tag doesn't isn't intended to excuse the addition or re-addition of unsourced material while reference are being sought. The only reason I didn't revert it is because of the 3RR rule; ineptitude alone doesn't constitute vandalism. However, this does not mean you were correct in doing so. DKqwerty (talk) 20:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. I am adding material and references. You sound as though you'd prefer that the article give no information. Perhaps we should delete it? SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 20:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm saying you re-introduced information that was removed because it was unsourced, and are now finding references while using the  template to inappropriately excuse this re-addition of unsourced content.
 * Wikipedia operates by finding references, then adding the material with proper citation(s), not the other way around as you have done. DKqwerty (talk) 20:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * No, that's not how Wikipedia works. Please read the sourcing policy, WP:V. If someone offers to find references for interesting material, the very last thing you do is revert their work while they're in the middle of doing it. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 20:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * WP:V has nothing to do with my point, notwithstanding that "interesting material" is not mentioned anywhere. If you think something is worth adding, bring it to the talk page or find the reference first. If you can't figure out what you did wrong, then so be it. As far as I'm concerned, this discussion is over. DKqwerty (talk) 20:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * WP:V has everything to do with it, because it's the sourcing policy, and we're discussing the addition of sources. It says, "Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed, but editors might object if you remove material without giving them sufficient time to provide references, and it has always been good practice, and expected behavior of Wikipedia editors (in line with our editing policy), to make reasonable efforts to find sources oneself that support such material, and cite them." That means whoever removed the material should have looked for sources himself before doing so, and it means you should not have reverted an editor who was trying to add them. Please follow the policy in future. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 20:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Ugh, that applies if you immediately objected to the content removal. Instead, you've come around days later and tried to add it back. In addition, had I not reverted it because it was unsourced, I find it unlikely that you would have started searching for references yourself. WP:V says nothing about adding the information back. You should have found sources before simply reverting an edit that removed unsourced content and brought it to the talk page. And for the record, I didn't initially remove the material, all I did was revert the (re-)addition of unsourced information.
 * Okay, this time, I'm done. DKqwerty (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 * DKqwerty, why are you taking it upon your shoulders to police this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.120.100 (talk) 22:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Breakdancing or Bodypopping?
I am not sure if I agree that the moonwalk is a breakdancing move. I would have said that it is a bodypopping move. I first saw it when Jeffrey Daniel introduced bodypopping to the UK in June 1982 when he danced his way through his group's (Shalamar's) "A Night To Remember" on Top Of The Pops. What do others think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.120.100 (talk) 18:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

i'd agree
it's more popping than breaking. in fact it's the opposite of breaking because it's so smooth

No, that's not accurate. The Moonwalk was around years before breakdancing came onto the scene. The moonwalk (the modern version) started in around 1977-78 and breakdancing started in the early eighties. Until the 80's Hip Hop dancing did not include many moves on the ground except "The worm" and an occasional dance routine that required one or both dancers to be on the ground, but the introduction of Breakdancing incorporated with already established moves of Pop-Locking took dancing to the floor in a way that had never been seen before. Breakdancing incorporated moves from Brazillian marshal arts hence the floor moves of breakdancing, not the reverse. Eventually Pop-locking, the Electric Boogaloo, Breakdancing, moonwalking all merged together as time went on but they all started as separate dances. Because of the popularity of Hip Hop and video, East coast and west coast styles of dancing and dress began to merge into one main look and one main dance style. And at that time most street dancers were not the colorfully dressed, cartoonish, multi-racial, version portrayed by T.V. and movies. Most street dancers at that time had a much less colorful yet still flamboyantly harder edge and a harder street-gang look. In fact LA street gangs were the major contributors to its poplularity and its spread and later on because poplular with a less hardened street dancers. Many gang members of the time who had to relocate to different parts of the country due to police and rival gang threats took Pop-Locking moves with them before the trend became a national trend. Much of this history is lost because no one wants to glorify or encourage gang activity and neither do I but this is the truth of the matter. Even the poplular style of the pants hanging off the the butt comes from LA gangs who spent time in jail and where not allowed to where belts. The trend continued even when gang members where released into the street after serving their time. Eventually it and Pop locking became urban trends that continue till today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jparham3 (talk • contribs) 07:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Missing History of the Moonwalk
Nearly every reference to the moonwalk refers to Cab Calloway, the tap dancers of the 20's or Micheal Jackson. But all of these references have one thing in common; television. All of these sources refer to history that can be seen on television. However, there is history that has not been recorded on television. Well after Cab Calloway and shortly before Micheal Jackson there were the Pop-Lockers of Los Angeles (not to be confused with Break Dancing). Break Dancing didn't come on the scene until the 80's and merged with Pop-locking. Pop-locking started in the 70's and incorporated in the many dynamic and electrifying moves of Pop-Locking was the moonwalk. Los Angeles and the neighborhood kids was the birthpace and the inventors of the modern version of the moonwalk. This version invented by street kids and also done by Micheal Jackson included backwards, forwards, sideways, circular motion and even slow motion illusions. In 1978, the moonwalk was being done all over the streets and playgrounds of Los Angeles and was a very competitive dance. Many High schools hosted Pop-Locking and Moonwalking competitions. With the onset of Hip Hop going from a local underground to a national mainstream musical art form with the hit song "Wrappers Delight", Pop-Locking and Moonwalking also became a national trend. Micheal Jackson being a fan of any kind of dance picked the moonwalk and the famous "lean" up from street dancers who had already been doing it for years, as early as 1977. Black audiences at the time were already familar with the dance but for mainstream white audiences it was their first exposure to the dance as well as the rest of the world. By the time Micheal Jackson perfected his own moonwalk the trend was actually beginning to die out and still did as far as the urban environment was concerned. During the 1983 BET awards, Micheal Jackson with his already staggering fame introduced the world to the dance and made it his own, causing mainstream and most audiences after that to mistakenly believe that he had created, invented or pioneered the dace with he had done neither. Although Micheal Jackson was and will always be the greatest entertainer ever he did not create, pioneer nor invent the moonwalk, but as he always did since he was a child he incorporated moves from other dancers into his own, such as James Brown, Fred Etair and more. "Popularization" to the mainstream would be a more accurate description of Micheal Jacksons contribution to the dances current fame. He simply learned it from the street kids and brought it to the masses. Micheal didn't just incorporate moves from famous people he also looked to the streets to what street kids where doing as well and incorporated those trends into his own unique dance style throughout his entire musical career. But for those who absolutely must have video evidence here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxM0wZFUJA. these are the soul train dancers in 1980 popin and moonwalking. But the dance was being done on the streets for "at least" 2 to 3 years before this video. And here is another video even earlier 1979. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvtdUpodfiw. So please get that New Zealand crap out of your heads. Pop-Locking, Moonwalking, and the Electric Boogaloo was invented by African Americans right here in the good old USA.

References: Me, Street Dancer 1978-1984 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jparham3 (talk • contribs) 05:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

' Popper comments' I have been poppin for a while and this move is defantly a poppin move and not b-boying. The move name moonwalk is actually incorrect. The moonwalk is a totally different move similar to something called a roman twist but performed in a circle with rise and falls but the illusion of gliding is still maintained somewhat. The move which has become incorrectly known as the moonwalk is actually called the back slide / back glide. Moonwalks, slides, glides and floats all come under the category gliding. Floats are different as they are the foundations of the glide. A glider will learn to float first before moving onto glide. The float teaches heel toe control which is the foundation and secret to successful footwork in popping.

Nonsense!

bad definition
the opening line is a bad definitin, because moonwalking is not only done backwards.

I've know that since 1979 because I was doing it but thanks anyway for the English Lit lesson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.211.16.50 (talk) 06:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

 NO ... this move name is WRONG. This is called the BACK SLIDE/ BACK GLIDE NOT the Moonwalk. The moonwalk is totally different and involves moving in a circle with rise and falls with pivots similar to a move called the Roman Twist. It's well known in the poppin industry that the move was named wrong. As well as back slides you have the side and front glides and many variations of. Trust me, this is written by a popper.

Look I'm not into the "my evidence vs your evidence thing", I am simply saying I was a Poplocker in 1979 til 1984 and it was called the moonwalk. Take it or leave it because I'm not looking for validation, I was there and I was myself one of the early Poplockers. I don't need to justify my experience to people that weren't even born yet or check any literature, my reference materials are my own eye and my own ears and my own two feet, because I was there doing the dance in 1979. It may have been called the backslide back in the 1920's but since 1978 (at least) it's been called "The Moonwalk". When I say it was called the Moonwalk, I'm not referring to the media because the media was not even aware of the dance at that time. It was called the moonwalk (which was a part of Pop-Locking)by us street kids of the day that created the Pop-lock combinded Moonwalk dance. It's amazing that first hand experience is being debated by people that weren't even born yet. I guess that's just the arrogance of youth. Every generation does it I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.91.108 (talk) 01:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I am 44 years old now almost 45. I started Pop-locking and Moonwalking in Los Angeles in 1978-79 up until i graduated high school in 1984 when i started getting more into music. Every kid in Los Angeles and Orange County and many parts of California was doing it but it was the gangs that lead the trend, and the only name I have ever known it by is the Moonwalk. And that's several years before Micheal Jackson even knew what it was. I've seen the mainstream think it was Micheal Jackson and because they control the media this is what the masses believe but I and thousands of other kids before me were doing the MOONWALK as early as 1978 from my 1st hand (not second hand) knowledge. I'm not sure about the Cab Calloway or Bill Bailey days but its been solidly called the Moonwalk since at least 1978 that I can verify from my own eyes and ears. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.211.16.50 (talk) 01:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Super Moonwalk by Eric Nash (OneLoveCandyman)
Video here (>6M views). Plenty of reliable, secondary sources. Examples: dailymail.co.uk and huffingtonpost.com. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, it's not fake. He also made a how to video, available here. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

moonRUN
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4JtRIECpG0 for example of what this refers to.

I am wondering if a moonrun article would be appropriate on its own, or if it might at least deserve a section on this page, due to the name being based on the moonwalk.

The specific guy in this YT vid was also covered on an episode of a TV series. I forget the exact title but I think it had something to do with 'brain tricks'. They ended up interviewing the guy and he explained how he did the maneuver. I am wondering if I someone could help locate the name of this show and the episode number to help use as a reference for covering moonrunning on Wikipedia. Ranze (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

History: the Damita Jo connection
from interview at "Diary of an Ex-Soul Train Dancer Presents: The One and Only Damita Jo Freeman"

Soultrain.com: You have been friends with Michael Jackson and the Jackson family for many years. You were one of the first people, if not the first, to teach Michael Jackson the Moonwalk, or as it was originally called, the Backslide. How did that come about?

Damita: Michael Jackson was a good friend. Years ago, I watched a Marcel Marceau special on PBS and he was doing this mime routine called “Walking Against the Wind” in which imaginary wind would be pushing him and he appeared to be walking forward and backward at the same time. I was taken away by what I saw. So when I choreographed and appeared in Cher’s show at Caesar’s Palace, I did the routine, which would later become a street dance called the Backslide. Michael happened to be in the audience for this show. After the show, he came backstage and asked how I did that dance step. I showed it to him and then I told him I learned the move from watching Marcel Marceau. So after that, Michael began studying and watching Marcel Marceau. Other people taught him the move also. It would become his signature dance step, the Moonwalk, which he first did on the Motown 25 special. Michael always stated that he was not a creator of that dance step.

http://soultrain.com/2012/08/20/diary-of-an-ex-soul-train-dancer-presents-the-one-and-only-damita-jo-freeman-part-1/

ps WHY does Damita not have her own wikipedia page?! (see her on youtube on soultrain with james brown "super bad". incredible.) She was also apparently the first female locker - her dance partner on soultrain was Don Campbell the creator of locking. etc. Yesenadam (talk) 08:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Reason for removal
I have removed the section which says "Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin famously did the moonwalk on live television in 1969." It should be obvious, but apparently isn't to some, that the article is about the moonwalk-dance, not a walk on the moon. Moriori (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Symarip
In Skinhead Moonstomp by Symarip there is a spoken line saying "Do the moonwalk". IS this the same move? // Liftarn (talk) 09:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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The lead says "Jackson has been credited as renaming the "backslide" to the moonwalk". Apart from the poor grammar, that statement is not supported by either of the three refs. More likely some PR/journo. Moriori (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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Austin Westminster

The Austin Westminster series are large saloon and estate cars that were sold by the British manufacturer Austin from 1954, replacing the A70 Hereford. The Westminster line was produced as the A90, A95, A99, A105, and A110 until 1968 when the new Austin 3-Litre took its place. Essentially badge-engineered versions of the Farina Westminsters were also produced using the premium Wolseley and Vanden Plas marques. 101,634 Westminsters were built.

The Westminster name was previously used by the Austin Motor Company in the 1930s for a four light version of the 16/6 and the Heavy 12/4.

A90
The A90 Six Westminster was introduced at the 1954 London Motor Show at the same time as the small A40/A50 Cambridge saloon range. It used the new BMC C-Series straight-6 engine with single Zenith carburettor which, at 2.6 L (2639 cc), produced 85 hp (63 kW). The suspension is independent at the front using coil springs and wishbones and leaf spring and anti-roll bar on the live axle at the rear. The four-speed transmission has synchromesh on the top three ratios and from 1955 an overdrive unit could be specified.

The interior, with leather trim on the de luxe version and PVC on the standard model, has a split bench front seat arrangement, although individually adjustable, which if necessary could seat three people abreast. When only two are carried there are, on the de luxe model, fold down centre armrests at the side of each seat. The de luxe model also has a central fold down armrest in the rear. The handbrake control is under the dash on the right hand side of the steering column which also carries the gear change lever. A heater is fitted as standard on the de luxe model but optional on the standard version. The Austin Motor Company also produced a brochure for an A90 Six Westminster police car which featured a floor gearchange.

The British Motor magazine tested a Westminster de luxe saloon in 1955 recording a top speed of 85.7 mph and acceleration from 0–60 mph in 18.9 seconds and a fuel consumption of 20.2 mpgimp. The test car cost £834 including taxes.

The A90 designation had previously been carried by the 1948–52 Austin Atlantic. 25,532 A90 Six Westminsters were built.

A95/A105
In May 1956, for a brief period only, a derivative of the A90 Six Westminster was announced which was a short boot version of the A105 and had the twin SU carburettor/102 hp version of the 2.6-litre C series engine with overdrive as standard. In October 1956 the A105 received the longer wheelbase with overdrive as standard and automatic transmission as an option. Twin fog lights, heater and wheel trims were standard although a radio was still an option. Two tone paint and white wall tyres were introduced for visual effect. Very few short boot versions of the A105 were produced and they are now quite rare.

The A90 was updated for autumn 1956 as the A95. Along with more power, the A95 was longer and now offered an estate model. Overdrive and an automatic transmission were new as well, something of a novelty in British cars of the time.

Both the A95 and A105 were produced together until 1959. 28,065 A95s and 6,770 A105s were built.

The Westminster name was dropped from the sales literature for the A95 and the A105 although, oddly, the drivers' handbooks still used the name Westminster to title the illustration of the saloon. The estate version was named Countryman. Nevertheless, most enthusiasts still refer to them as Westminsters.

A badge-engineered version of the A95 with different grille, trim, and badges and a bench front seat was assembled and sold in Australia as the Morris Marshal from 1957 until 1960.

An A105 saloon with overdrive tested by the British magazine The Motor in 1956 had a top speed of 96.3 mph and could accelerate from 0–60 mph in 15.4 seconds. A fuel consumption of 22.0 mpgimp was recorded. The test car cost £1109 including taxes.

Austin A105 Vanden-Plas
The A105 was the first mass-produced Austin family car to be specially upgraded by coachbuilder Vanden Plas, following the success of the large A135 Austin Princess limousine. This was done after a personal request from Leonard Lord in 1957. Changes included significant new interior fittings, and a grey stripe bearing the "Princess" crown on the side of the body; most bodies were in sombre colours such as black or maroon.

A99
The A99 Westminster appeared in 1959 with new Pinin Farina-designed bodywork. Pininfarina had also re-styled Austin's compact A40 and mid-sized A55 Cambridge ranges the year before. Under the bonnet was the 2.9 L (2912 cc) C-Series straight-6 engine with twin SU carburettors from the Austin-Healey 3000. This engine produced 103 hp (77 kW) in Westminster tune. A three-speed all-synchromesh manual gearbox with a Borg-Warner overdrive unit was fitted as standard, or a Borg-Warner automatic transmission as an option. Power-assisted Lockheed brakes with 10.75 in discs on the front wheels were also new.

An A99 saloon with automatic transmission was tested by the British magazine The Motor in 1960 and they recorded a top speed of 98.1 mph, acceleration from 0–60 mph in 17.9 seconds and a fuel consumption of 23.0 mpgimp. The test car cost £1219 including taxes. The manual car cost £1148.

A specially trimmed A99 was sold as the Princess 3-Litre, (note, not an "Austin" Princess – Austin was removed from Princess badging in August 1957 on the larger Princess IV) and later under the Vanden Plas marque as the Vanden Plas Princess. A Wolseley version, the 6/99, was also produced. Production ended in 1961 with the introduction of the larger A110. 15,162 A99s were built.

A110
The final major update arrived in 1961 with the A110 Westminster. This version had an extended (by 2 in/51 mm) wheelbase, which allowed more space in the rear compartment as well as improving the roadholding, a floor-mounted gear lever. 13 in wheels were substituted in 1964's Mark II models. Wolseley produced a 6/110 version, and there was a Vanden Plas Princess Mark II with the C-Series engine, now uprated to 120 hp. The same basic body was also used for a Rolls-Royce-engined Vanden Plas Princess, and the body even formed part of a prototype Bentley.

The Westminster range was finally replaced by the Austin 3-Litre in 1968. 26,105 A110s were built.

Scale models and die-cast

 * Meccano Dinky Toys; No. 176 (production 1958–1963), Austin A105 Westminster, approximately O scale (1:44).

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Selim I
I'm going to remove the reference to "Selim I" as it's rather out-of-place here. John Sheu 21:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * it does
 * thanks
 * Agreed.^
 * Ditto.

Explanation
I just added the explanation of what it is - strange that it was lacking. 21 September 2006

Bad Words!
Enough with the bad words already, can't you talk without them!--Knowlege: Life's greatest gift, or terrible curse, how do you use it...? (talk) 17:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Stop writing things that don't belong in talk pages!
I just removed two. Well said, Gjaida! DarkestMoonlight (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Stanley McChrystal
I am removing the entry about former U.S. General Stanley McChrystal as being an example of insubordination. My reasoning for this is that the act of speaking poorly of officials through the vehicle of Rolling Stone in no way fits with the definition laid out under the Military entry here at Wikipedia. Insubordination represents the failure to follow a specific order from a higher-ranked individual. I am not able to find any evidence that any order by McChrystal's superiors was not followed by McChrystal. What McChrystal is more liable of being blamed of is contempt, which is laid out in the military's Article 88 - Contempt Towards Officials: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm88.htm. If clear and provable evidence can be produced and cited that shows McChrystal demonstrated insubordination, then the entry should be reinstated. Lostraven (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

"MacArthur was not relieved for insubordination."
In the list MacArthur is mentioned as a notable figure who was insubordinated, however Relief_of_General_Douglas_MacArthur states "MacArthur was not relieved for insubordination." its all one big mess really, the way I interpret it he was insubordinated for neglecting the explicit command from the president not to talk to the press... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.49.109.245 (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Human resources, Industrial relations
Insubordination has a clear and understood set of elements, and a widely accepted definition. A labor or employment arbitrator or lawyer could help. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:47, 22 March 2019 (UTC) E P I C

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Meals on Wheels

Meals on Wheels is a program that delivers meals to individuals at home who are unable to purchase or prepare their own meals. The name is often used generically to refer to home-delivered meals programs, not all of which are actually named "Meals on Wheels". Many of the housebound recipients are the elderly, and many of the volunteers are also elderly but able-bodied and able to drive automobiles.

Research shows that home-delivered meal programs significantly improve diet quality, reduce food insecurity and improve quality-of-life among the recipients. The programs also reduce government expenditure by reducing the need of recipients to use hospitals, nursing homes or other expensive community-based services.

History
Meals on Wheels originated in the United Kingdom during the Blitz in the Second World War, when many people lost their homes and therefore the ability to cook their own food. The Women's Volunteer Service for Civil Defence (WVS, later WRVS) provided food for these people. The name "Meals on Wheels" derived from the delivery method of bringing meals in prams, carts, bicycles with basket, cars and other wheeled vehicles. The concept of delivering meals to those unable to prepare their own evolved into the modern programmes that deliver mostly to the housebound elderly, sometimes free, or at a small charge.

United Kingdom (1943)
The first home delivery of a meal on wheels following World War II was made by the WVS in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England in 1943. Many early services used old prams to transport the meals, using straw bales, and even old felt hats, to keep the meals warm in transit.

This type of service requires many volunteers with an adequate knowledge of basic cooking to prepare the meals by a set time each day. The majority of local authorities in the United Kingdom have now moved away from freshly cooked food delivery, and towards the supply of frozen pre-cooked reheatable meals.

One of the pioneers of meals on wheels was said to be Harbans Lall Gulati, a general practitioner from Battersea, according to his obituary in the British Medical Journal. This however is disputed as there is little evidence.

Australia (1953)
Doris Taylor MBE founded Meals on Wheels in South Australia in 1953, and in 1954 the first meal was served from the Port Adelaide kitchen.

In New South Wales, Meals on Wheels was started in March 1957 by the Sydney City Council. In the first week, 150 meals were served for inner city dwellers; these were cooked in the Town Hall kitchen.

Organised on a regional basis, in Australia Meals on Wheels is a well established, active and thriving group of organisations. The history of a small sample of some of the organisations includes: New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia,   Western Australia and Victoria.

In 2012, the Queensland branch of Meals on Wheels was a recipient of the Queensland Greats Awards.

Canada (1963)
The Red Cross Meals on Wheels program began in 1963, after Brantford, Ontario, resident Elsie Matthews approached her local Red Cross with the idea. Elsie had witnessed a programme while travelling in England, where nutritious meals were delivered to seniors in their homes, and she believed a similar programme would be a great value to her community. In its first year, the programme had 12 clients per week who had meals delivered to them.

Brampton, Ontario, also began to deliver meals to seniors in need. In the spring of 1963, Ruby Cuthbert, a nurse, implemented the Meals on Wheels programme with the support of the local Soroptimist Club. Later, the Auxiliary group from Peel Memorial Hospital took over the responsibility and Brampton Meals on Wheels (BMOW) started with six meals a day.

In January 1966, women from the St. Matthias Church started the service in Westmount, Quebec, and the idea spread to other communities in Montreal. Each group had to find money to buy food and sufficient volunteers to prepare and deliver the meals. {citation needed} In 1970, Inez Webster established a Meals on Wheels program in Montreal West operating out of the United Church. The program relied on 100 to 150 volunteers a year to deliver hot meals twice a week to seniors living alone and on fixed incomes. Another program was established in Dorval-Lachine around the same time. The True Davidson Meals on Wheels programme was established in East Toronto in 1973, named after the beloved local politician who was the first mayor of East York, Ontario. In May 2014, this programme merged with local agency Neighbourhood Link Support Services and continues to the present day.

Ireland (1971)
The first meals were delivered in Longford, a small county town in the Midlands. They were delivered by County Longford Social Services, organised by Sister Calasanctius of the local Convent of Mercy and the local hospital's medical officer Dr Gerard McDonagh. The meals were distributed from a mobile kitchen for which funds had been raised by the local children. The fundraising had been organised by the Longford News (local newspaper) editor Derek Cobbe.

Some of the first meals were delivered by a volunteer driver, the late Pat Hourican, with volunteer helper the late Sr. Bonaventure. The mobile kitchens were built by a local businessman, Noel Hanlon, at his ambulance factory in the town. The vans had specially fitted gas cookers provided by the ambulance factory to keep the dinners warm. Meals were delivered then to some 400 people around Longford, mostly elderly or disabled, and were free of charge, supported by small grants and locally collected funds.

Modern programs
Today, Meals on Wheels programs generally operate at the county level or smaller. Programs vary widely in their size, service provided, organization, and funding.

There are Meals on Wheels programs in Australia, Canada, Ireland, the United Kingdom and the United States. The National Association of Care Catering are a great source of information on UK Meals on Wheels services. The Meals On Wheels Association of America (MOWAA) is a national association for senior nutrition programmes headquartered in Alexandria, Virginia, but each programme operates independently.

Most Meals on Wheels programs deliver meals hot and ready-to-eat, but some deliver cold meals in containers ready to microwave. Others supply deep-frozen meals. Some warm-meal programmes provide an additional frozen meal during the days prior to a weekend or holiday, when there would be no delivery. Depending on the programme, meals may be delivered by paid drivers or by volunteers. In addition to providing nutrition to sustain the health of a client, a meal delivery by a Meals on Wheels driver or volunteer also serves as a safety check and a source of companionship for the client.

Most clients of Meals on Wheels programmes are elderly, but others who are unable to shop or cook for themselves (as well as their pets) are generally eligible for assistance. In the United States, there is a MOW programme called "supplemental" for homebound clients under 60 years old. This requires a signed note from a doctor and there is a small fee of $2 per meal. Regardless of their sources of funding, eligibility for most programmes is determined by the client's ability to have access to good nutrition not financial need.

United Kingdom
In the county of Suffolk, the programme is referred to as "Community Meals". "Meals on Wheels" services are provided for those who have been assessed to have difficulty cooking for themselves. Community Meals services can comprise daily hot meals, chilled meals or a weekly or fortnightly delivery of frozen meals. Traditional hot deliveries are cooked in a central kitchen then transported to the service user. The service in Suffolk is now run by Aspect Living Foundation, a not-for-profit charity trading as Meals on Wheels Suffolk, set up and registered in 2018 to take over "Meals on Wheels" from the Royal Voluntary Service, and set up specifically for this purpose.

Support to the elderly is also provided by WRVS (formerly named Women's Royal Voluntary Service).

National Association of Care Catering Community Meals Week is a national event aiming to increase visibility of Community Meals Services. In October 2008, Camilla, The Duchess of Cornwall assisted in Meals on Wheels Week activities.

Increasingly in the UK, commercial rather than voluntary or local authorities organisations are providing the meals. For example, some Local Authorities have stopped providing hot meals and are instead delivering frozen pre-cooked meals. Other variations include using Apetito, who operate a "Chefmobil" service which regenerates meals en route, and Apetito subsidiary Wiltshire Farm Foods, which operates a Meals on Wheels alternative service for those who do not meet assessment criteria. In 2018, Meals On Wheels was completely withdrawn in the UK. Wiltshire Farms frozen meals and private hot meal schemes largely on a commercial basis do however remain.

Wolverhampton Council took a different approach: instead of closing the service, it has been expanded so anyone living in the city can order meals on wheels. People may opt to receive a meal one day a week, every day or for a fixed length of time e.g. after an operation. Alongside the hot meal a cold 'tea' consisting of a sandwich and fruit can be delivered.

October 2011 saw a Hairy Bikers series, Meals on Wheels, air on BBC Two. The series fronted a campaign with BBC Learning to save local 'meals on wheels' services around the UK.

Canada
Halifax Meals on Wheels in Nova Scotia currently operate 68 programmes across the province; more than 600 volunteers serve an estimated 3400 meals a week. In Halifax, the service is partially funded by the municipality. The United Way also provides funding, depending on how much the programmes need. Organizations such as nursing homes and hospitals provide many of the meals; others come from restaurants and private homes. The programme isn't just for the elderly; people of any age who live alone often call when they're recovering after a recent hospital stay and are unable to cook for themselves. Other users of Meals on Wheels are people with disabilities such as multiple sclerosis who use the programme to help them through a rough time when cooking becomes too difficult. In 1996, 56.7% of clients in Halifax used the service for less than three months.

In 2020, Halal Meals on Wheels was created by East York Meals on Wheels, an independent charity, as a response to providing culturally appropriate meals to Toronto's East York community. This program was funded by the United Way of Greater Toronto, and has gained traction across the city's east-end.

There are dozens of independent meals on wheels in Montreal, one of the largest and most innovative is the unique intergenerational Santropol Roulant, an organisation operated mainly by young volunteers in central Montreal neighbourhoods. Deliveries are done on foot, by bicycle and by hybrid car in some outlying routes.

Longford
Currently (2016) vans are still used to deliver meals around Longford by County Longford Social Services, a registered charity - 4 vans deliver to all areas of County Longford, but the meals are now hot soup and chilled main course and dessert - recipients have microwave ovens for reheating the dinners. Meals are provided 7 days per week, 365 days per year.

Other areas
A study by Trinity College Dublin published in 2008 on behalf of the National Council on Ageing and Older People found most of Ireland served by Meals on Wheels services (or centre-based alternatives) since the 1980s, over half being registered charities. Half of the services are noted to be parish-only, with many more serving a slightly larger area: the report notes only 5% of providers serve "a significant proportion of their county" (but they do not mention the longest-running service in Longford, which serves the whole county).

United States
The first such program in the United States was started by social worker Margaret Toy in 1954 at the request of the Philadelphia Health & Welfare Council. It was funded by the Henrietta Tower Wurtz Foundation.

The Meals on Wheels Association of America (MOWAA) is headquartered in Alexandria, Virginia. MOWAA is the oldest and largest organization in the United States representing those who provide meal services to seniors in need, specifically those at risk of or experiencing hunger. MOWAA is a non-profit organization working toward the social, physical, nutritional and economic betterment of vulnerable Americans by providing the tools and information its programmes need to make a difference in the lives of others. In 2016, Meals on Wheels provided approximately 218 million meals to 2.5 million Americans. The annual meal cost is $2,765 per recipient. Approximately 500,000 of the recipients are veterans.

Citymeals-on-Wheels serves the New York City area. In 2008, Citymeals delivered over 2.1 million meals to 17,713 frail aged in every borough of New York City. In addition, over 1,500 volunteers collectively spent 62,000 hours visiting and delivering meals to New York's frail aged. Gael Greene and James Beard founded Citymeals-on-Wheels in 1981 after reading a newspaper article about homebound elderly New Yorkers with nothing to eat on weekends and holidays. They rallied their friends in the restaurant community, raising private funds as a supplement to the government-funded weekday meal delivery programme. Twenty five years ago their first efforts brought a Christmas meal to 6,000 frail aged.

In 2007, the MOWAA Foundation commissioned a study on hunger (see next section). In 2009, MOWAA partnered with The Mission Continues, an organization which addresses the needs of veterans who have served the United States.

Specialty Meals on Wheels programmes, such as "Kosher Meals on Wheels", also exist to service niche clientele.

MOWAAF study on hunger
The Meals On Wheels Association of America Foundation (MOWAAF), recognizing that hunger is a serious threat facing millions of seniors in the United States, determined that understanding of the problem is a critical first step to developing remedies. In 2007, MOWAAF, underwritten by the Harrah's Foundation, commissioned a research study entitled The Causes, Consequences and Future of Senior Hunger in America. The report was released at a hearing of the U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging in March 2008 in Washington, D.C.

The study found that in the United States, over 5 million seniors, (11.4% of all seniors), experience some form of food insecurity, i.e. were marginally food insecure. Of these, about 2.5 million are at-risk of hunger, and about 750,000 suffer from hunger due to financial constraints. Some groups of seniors are more likely to be at-risk of hunger. Relative to their representation in the overall senior population, those with limited incomes, under age 70, African-Americans, Hispanics, never-married individuals, renters, and persons living in the southern United States are all more likely to be at-risk of hunger. While certain groups of seniors are at greater-risk of hunger, hunger cuts across the income spectrum. For example, over 50% of all seniors who are at-risk of hunger have incomes above the poverty threshold. Likewise, it is present in all demographic groups. For example, over two-thirds of seniors at-risk of hunger are caucasian. There are marked differences in the risk of hunger across family structure, especially for those seniors living alone, or those living with a grandchild. Those living alone are twice as likely to experience hunger compared to married seniors. One in five senior households with a grandchild, but no adult child, present is at risk of hunger, compared to about one in twenty households without a grandchild present. Seniors living in non-metropolitan areas are as likely to experience food insecurity as those living in metropolitan areas, suggesting that food insecurity cuts across the urban-rural continuum.

2017 proposed budget cuts
In March 2017, President Donald Trump's proposed budget would make cuts to block grants that go towards spending on Meals on Wheels. Defending these cuts, director of the Office of Management and Budget Mick Mulvaney said that "Meals on Wheels sounds great" but that the program is one of many that is "just not showing any results."

Foodnet Meals on Wheels
Foodnet Meals on Wheels is an age-friendly organization in Tompkins County, with a mission to provide nutritious meals and healthcare services for older adults. In response to the COVID-19, Foodnet Meals on Wheels updated their precaution measurements to ensure food supply. An every-other-day schedule was applied to home food delivery, by which people received once a hot meal with a frozen meal for the other day. Nutrition services including nutrition counselling, assessment and education were conducted through telephone.

Impact
A 2013 review study on the impact of home-delivered meal programs found that "all but two studies found home-delivered meal programs to significantly improve diet quality, increase nutrient intakes, and reduce food insecurity and nutritional risk among participants. Other beneficial outcomes include increased socialization opportunities, improvement in dietary adherence, and higher quality of life." The study concluded, "Home-delivered meal programs improve diet quality and increase nutrient intakes among participants. These programs are also aligned with the federal cost-containment policy to rebalance long-term care away from nursing homes to home- and community-based services by helping older adults maintain independence and remain in their homes and communities as their health and functioning decline."

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Talk:Just another Perl hacker

WTF?
How the heck can that program consisting only of keywords work? I just tried it out and it does work. But my experience of Perl is limited to debugging a very simple Perl script made by someone else, so I can't even begin to understand that mess. --  — J I P | Talk 15:23, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Some of the "keywords" are actually quote operators, for example qw, qq, q, qx. So some of what looks like keywords are actually quoted strings, and it's taking the first letter of each word:  "join use sub tied" -> "just"; "abs ne open tied hex exp ref" -> "another"; "printf each return local" -> "perl"; "hex alarm chdir kill exec return" -> "hacker".  I haven't figured out exactly how it's turning that into a print statement - but I'm sure it would be a useful learning experience figuring it out!! --munt fish July 5, 2005 12:54 (UTC)

 * (Ack...this is my first comment, and I have no idea how to make the code sections line up correctly in my post...sorry)
 * Actually qx is never used as a quoting operator, which would be silly since it would have run the quoted text as a shell command. The two times it appears aren't words at all...the first uses the q as the delimiter for an s/// statement, and the x as a (meaningless) regex flag.  The second uses the q as the delimiter for a qw list, and the x as the delimeter for another s/// statement.  Also notice that each of the strings you mention is quoted as a list (qw) instead of a string (q or qq), which makes it easy to use the words independently of each other.  Anyway, to illustrate how it does the printing:

s qq qx xor s x x length uc ord and print chr ord for qw q join use sub tied qx xor eval

 * roughly translates to:

s// /; # $_ was undefined, now contains " " s/ / length uc ord and print chr ord for qw q join use sub tied q/; eval $_;

 * or simply:

eval " length uc ord and print chr ord for qw q join use sub tied q";

 * The statement inside the eval translates to:

foreach (qw( join use sub tied )) { print(chr ord $_); }

 * "length uc ord" is always true (and has no other effects), so it's meaningless. "chr ord" translates one character to an integer ascii value and back, discarding the rest of the string.  So when "print chr ord" is given each word in the list in turn, it prints the first letter from each one. — Bob9000, July 16, 2005, 11:58 UTC

 * I first posted the JAPH in question on Perlmonks as Fun with reserved keywords. There is a discussion in that thread, including a detailed spoiler. --Blokhead 15:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Attribution
I'm the author of the last JAPH on the page, the one that has no alphanumerics or whitespace. I wrote it in August of 2004. I don't know how to attribute/cite this, because it doesn't appear on any web page of mine, only online on RPI lily (a CMC at rpi.lily.org).

Any suggestions? TIA.

Sue D. Nymme 14:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is the bottom link "Java Pet Store" a link to an hardly related "Java blueprint"? Is it a vandalism? --Wikyvema (talk) 02:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

 * it is indeed irrelevant, removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16b8:5c72:3400:16dd:a9ff:fe55:92b3 (talk) 11:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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Seastalker

Seastalker is an interactive fiction game written by Stu Galley and Jim Lawrence and published by Infocom in 1984. It was released simultaneously for several popular computer platforms of the time, such as the Commodore 64, Apple II, and IBM PC compatibles (as a self-booting disk). The game was marketed as an introduction to interactive fiction for preteen players, having difficulty rating of "Junior." It was the only game to ever use this rating, which was replaced by the "Introductory" label given to games such as Wishbringer. It is Infocom's twelfth game.

Galley and Lawrence later wrote Moonmist for Infocom.

Plot
The player's character is a young inventor and marine scientist. A research facility called the Aquadome issues a call for help, indicating that the undersea structure is being attacked by a sea monster. With helpful assistant Tip, the player must navigate to the Aquadome in the new untested two-person submarine Scimitar and investigate the problem. But that isn't all... it looks like there may be a saboteur within the Aquadome as well.

The game has 30 locations.

Release
The package includes the following physical items:
 * 1) A logbook for the Scimitar, including a letter from "The President" congratulating the player on acceptance into the Discovery Squad
 * 2) Four double-sided "top secret Infocards", containing hints printed in blue ink beneath a pattern of red ink
 * 3) A decoder featuring a small square of red plastic to reveal the hints on the Infocards
 * 4) A nautical chart of Frobton Bay for navigation
 * 5) A "Discovery Squad "badge" sticker

Reception
Computer Gaming World noted Seastalker's easiness, recommending it only as a beginner's text adventure, particularly for young kids. Exemplifying this are the numerous tips dropped by both in-game characters and the game itself, directing the player to the included Infocards. The review complained of minor inconsistencies like items that could not be interacted with until an in-game character told the player of its existence.

PC Magazine gave Seastalker 10.0 points out of 12. It also noted the game's relatively low difficulty level, praised the prose, and stated, "I enjoyed myself immensely".

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Marcom

Marcom or MARCOM may refer to:

 * United States Maritime Commission was an agency of the U.S. federal government that replaced the United States Shipping Board in 1936, and was abolished in 1950.
 * Marketing communications
 * Canadian Forces Maritime Command, the name used by the Royal Canadian Navy from 1968 to 2011
 * Maritime Community, a programme of the European Union which includes the Mediterranean Science Commission
 * NATO Allied Maritime Command

People with the surname

 * Micheline Aharonian Marcom (born 1968), American writer

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Talk:Dialetheism

Dialetheism vs. principle of explosion
The claim that dialetheists always reject the principle of explosion is false, so it was removed. Zen Buddhists, in particular, accept the principle of explosion but reject that logic can prove anything. According to these dialetheists, direct experience is the only certainty that we have, and it can never be described perfectly with words. Examples of true contradictions that dialetheists accept that can only be expressed in contradiction were added.

In fact, the misunderstanding is more fundamental than that. The notion of explosion a misunderstanding. The fact that there may be dialetheia doesn't mean that there actually are any, and, even if they are, they may only be a few that apply strictly to their circumstances, with no implication for logic as a whole Fustbariclation (talk) 10:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

MP, MT, disjunctive syllogism probably the same
I'm pretty sure the conditional Rules: MP, MT, and Disjunctive Syllogism are the same-- meaning there's a more basic rule that governs them. Maybe I'm wrong 'though. But if this is correct, and MP and MT can be transformed into DS, Priest and Dialetheism has a significant problem.

MP: premise P → Q premise P therefore Q = premise ¬P v Q premise ¬¬P therefore ? by Implication and Double Negation = premise (¬)¬¬P v Q premise(¬)¬P therefore (¬)Q by Disjunctive Syllogism which reads: premise P v Q premise ¬P therefore Q

Now here's MT: premise P → Q premise ¬Q therefore ¬P = premise ¬Q → ¬P premise ¬Q therefore ? by Transposition = premise ¬¬Q v ¬P premise ¬Q therefore ? by Implication = Path One: premise (¬)¬Q v ¬P premise (¬)Q therefore ? = premise (¬)Q → ¬P premise (¬)Q therefore (¬)¬P

or Path Two after Implication: premise Q v ¬P [by Double Negation of Q] premise ¬Q therefore ¬P by Disjunctive Syllogism

 * Whoever posted the interesting logic above: could you re-type it more clearly so that what you are saying can be assessed? At present there are too many ambiguities, and (possibly?) missing letters. Rosa Lichtenstein (talk) 2006-06-24.

 * "Every use of modus tollens can be converted to a use of modus ponens and one use of transposition to the premise which is a material implication. For example:
 * If P, then Q. (premise -- material implication)
 * If Q is false, then P is false. (derived by transposition)
 * Q is false. (premise)
 * Therefore, P is false. (derived by modus ponens)
 * Likewise, every use of modus ponens can be converted to a use of modus tollens and transposition."
 * Even better, every use of MP can be translated into Disjunctive Syllogism(and thereby every MT and MP can be translated into DS) which is the Achilles Heel of Dialetheic logic, it can't use any rules of logic. Hypo Syllogism is the only missing piece.
 * ^^^The above was not written by me. Rosa Lichtenstein (talk) 00:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Dialetheistic negation
It is worth noting that, for all his undoubted sophistication, Graham has to change the meaning of "not" to make his theory work, which means that 'dialetheic contradictions' are only true because of linguistic juggling. Naturally, this leaves it open whether ordinary contradictions are 'true', just as it 'solves' the paradoxes by ignoring them. And it is worth adding this to your reading list: Hartley Slater: 'Dialetheias are Mental Confusions' translated into Romanian by D. Gheorghiu, editor, with I. Lucica, Ex Falso Quodlibet, Editura Tehnica, Bucharest. [If you can get hold of a copy! I obtained mine from the author himself.] And other papers at: http://www.philosophy.uwa.edu.au/staff/slater/publications Also, check out my site: http://www.anti-dialectics.org where dialectical materialism is taken apart from a Marxist angle. Rosa Lichtenstein 07/03/06

 * "Truth in linguistic juggling" is somewhat like saying the truth in an end result has to be conveyed in an intelligible form, to one side of something or another. Transmuting a meaning by means of perception. This really only says that the entrenched mode of human thinking is very dualistic, rather than that contradictions must by nature be resolved into one postulate or the other (which are only molds we've made for them by our own considerations of what we believe in as intelligible). Maybe rather than "solving paradoxes by ignoring them" what is really happening is one is not accepting a fact because it doesn't fit into something we haven't categorized for ourselves as 'non-contradictive'. In fact, needing to separate what is posited into either one of two, mutually exclusive, integrable consistencies; so that it works in relation to your cohesive comprehension of a whole logic, is a very dialectical stance to take. Nagelfar 23:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

 * ""Truth in linguistic juggling" is somewhat like saying the truth in an end result has to be conveyed in an intelligible form, to one side of something or another."
 * I note your incapacity to quote me correctly.
 * I actually said:
 * "It is worth noting that, for all his undoubted sophistication, Graham has to change the meaning of "not" to make his theory work, which means that 'dialetheic contradictions' are only true because of linguistic juggling."
 * The rest of what you say is unintelligible.
 * Is English not your first language?
 * I also note that because dialectics is such a jellyfish of a 'theory', those held in its grip can claim anything they like as an example of it, even if the latter is incoherent:
 * "In fact, needing to separate what is posited into either one of two, mutually exclusive, integrable consistencies; so that it works in relation to your cohesive comprehension of a whole logic, is a very dialectical stance to take."
 * Eh??
 * Rosa Lichtenstein 20:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Literature
Readers might like to know that Hartley Slater's paper has now been published here: Also well worth consulting: Rosa Lichtenstein (talk) 20:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Slater, H. (2007a), The De-Mathematisation Of Logic (Polimetrica).
 * Slater, H. (2007b), 'Dialetheias Are Mental Confusions', in Slater (2007a), pp.233-46. This can also be found in Béziau, Carnielli and Gabbay (2007), pp.457-66.
 * Slater, H. (2007c), 'Response To Priest', in Béziau, Carnielli and Gabbay (2007), pp.475-76.
 * Béziau, J-Y., Carnielli, W., and Gabbay, D. (2007) (eds.), Studies In Logic Volume Nine: Handbook Of Paraconsistency (College Publications).
 * Berto, F. (2007), How To Sell A Contradiction. The Logic And Metaphysics Of Inconsistency (College Publications).

Bivalent prerequisite?
I don't see why there is a implication of dialeth(e)ism as bivalent. As a philosophical concept and not a formal logic, one could imagine a dialetheia under several possible multi-valued logics. Also the connotations used e.g as in the Achilles' heel reference or pragmatic replacement of burden-of-proof are quite negative. Scierguy 22:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Dead link
The link to the 'Dialetheias Group Blog' does not work. Rosa Lichtenstein (talk) 01:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Dialetheist or dialethesist?
Both these words occur in the text. Which is it? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 12:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

More source for the critic.
The theory of the Achilles' heel is interest and should don't be cleared but need more source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.101.81.47 (talk) 23:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. The claim, on its own, is simply that. The paper referred to is not freely available on-line, so it isn't possible for many people to refer to it. It would help if somebody who'd read the critical paper could expand on the claim, with some justification. Undefended dogmatism doesn't really sit well in an article on logic. Fustbariclation (talk) 13:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Formal Consequences
I streamlined the claim made in the Formal Consequences section, but I wonder if it is even true. Here is how it currently reads:

In some logics, we can show that taking a contradiction $$p \wedge \neg p$$ as a premise (that is, taking as a premise the truth of both $$p$$ and $$\neg p$$), we can prove any statement $$q$$. Indeed, since $$p$$ is true, the statement $$p \vee q$$ is true (by generalization). Taking $$p \vee q$$ together with $$\neg p$$ is a disjunctive syllogism from which we can conclude $$q$$.

I agree right up until the use of disjunctive syllogism. Does not the use of disjunctive syllogism require that exactly one $$p$$ and $$\neg p$$ is true? Austinmohr (talk) 18:44, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

 * This is, in fact, false. I've updated the page to correct it. The myth that dialetheism causes logic explosions has been exposed as such many times, though this has yet to become generally known. Fustbariclation (talk) 02:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

 * I believe that these edits were mistaken, and have removed them from the introductory paragraph. This section seems to contain them more centrally so before I make further changes I want to make sure I have properly understood the situation. In the original text quoted above, the key phrase is "in some logics". This is meant to indicate that only logics in which EFQ (Ex Falso Quodlibet) is provable are subject to explosion. This is the case with both classical and intuitionist logic. It is true that this assumption essentially adds up to an assumption against dialetheism. It may even be explicit; depending on how these logics are presented, EFQ can in fact be a theorem derived from an axiomatic assumption of the Law of Non-Contradiction. But these assumptions are defining axioms of these logics, and so the statement as written above is not faulty. It is simply not a good reason to reject dialetheism, as dialetheists can either accept trivialism or reject the legitimacy of any logics where EFQ holds in response. Please feel free to correct my reasoning if I am wrong. 192.76.8.18 (talk) 17:28, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Wave-particle duality is not an example of self-contradiction
That is stupid. --72.226.86.106 (talk) 06:59, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Article too technical
I inserted an edit, which I expect will be argued over if not outright expunged, and didn't have space to write an explanation, which I will do here: People really shouldn't be faced with a steep uphill climb to understand an article saturated in insider jargon. I propose this edit as a user-friendly way of introducing logic symbols, at least giving the reader a fighting chance. I wanted to link to "List of logic symbols" out of the first logic symbol character, but as it is inside a math text entry, there is no way to do it which highlights the existence of the link (I can link, but the text remains black). As a person with vast ranges of interest, but not insider expertise in the jargon and symbology of many Wikipedia subjects, I am constantly faced with exponentially expanding research to understand what should be relatively simple items in articles. I am particularly conscious of the difficulty which would be faced by my ten year old self with the same curiosity faced with these obstacles, and I expand this concern to other putative readers with great interest but little training. So I have added a linked bracketted "(see List of logic symbols)" after the first introduction of logic symbols in the text. I would be interested in any opinions about the appropriateness or otherwise of my edit. I am getting increasingly concerned in general with the inaccessibility of many wiki articles to the totally lay reader, which was, I thought, the original intent of the whole project. 173.180.149.245 (talk) 05:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)an occasional anonymous editor, mostly grammar and spelling corrections.

practical value?
IF anyone has ever presented an argument that dialetheism has hope for every having any "practical"/utilitarian value in the world, I'd very much like to see the argument included. Otherwise it's a bit hard to see why this is of any interest except as a sort of abstract game of no real consequence. Shouldn't the 'Criticisms' section include a criticism of triviality / lack of practical-utility? Surely someone has written about that.

Standard logic has had *incredible* utilitarian value to the world (the very universe seems to operate by rules of consistency with not a single "contradiction" ever being sustained on close examination), and though exploring every contrary concept one can dream up is a part of the legitimate philosophical exploration of all possibilities, and not everything needs to be utilitarian, still, a good measure of how much time and attention something is worth is whether it has ever made any useful predictions about the world, or anything useful can be built upon it.

How might Dialetheism someday be of any more Real World value than the infinite Other facile imaginings we can dream up all day such as the "immovable object vs the unstoppable force"? There are unlimited playful imaginings possible, but most of them peter out not because they're "illegitimate" or "not even wrong", but simply because "they don't get you anywhere" so people just lose interest in squishy definitions and circular arguments and wander off bored with it. (I'm not looking for a debate in the 'talk', I'm hoping arguments exist that could be summarized in the article. Besides abstruse technical arguments, is anything more than abstract game playing actually anticipated to come from this?)

The most powerful motivation I can think up (inadmissible 'original research') would be that _IF_ Dialetheism could ever be shown to hold up usefully (e.g. to describe any real-universe situation with equal precision but *better* than traditional logic), THEN it could undermine everything we think we know about how the universe may carry the laws of physics, or the vast realms of math and reasoning that might be expected by an alien civilization etc. I have very low expectations that it will go anywhere, but if it did that WOULD be incredibly significant, so I'm surprised that isn't claimed as a primary *motivation*. But if it never once describes the real world as well as traditional logic does, then it will never be used except as evidence that we've dutifully taken the trouble to exclude it as useful. Graham asks, "What Is So Bad About Contradictions?" I suspect nothing is "intrinsically bad" about it, but real world uselessness is a "bad" thing to impose on any more than a tiny bit of people's time and attention on something. "2+2=73" isn't "bad" (we can assert it, and play all kinds of games with it), it just doesn't get you anywhere "good". DKEdwards (talk) 21:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Every statement becomes false?
The article states that "in traditional systems of logic (e.g., classical logic and intuitionistic logic), every statement becomes false if a contradiction is true". Should that be "every statement becomes true"? Imerologul Valah (talk) 22:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That is how it is usually characterised. One could say that a statement is false if its negation is true, which comes to much the same thing. I don't see any advantage to this nonobvious definition, so I'll change it. — Charles Stewart (talk) 01:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Tonka

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There is another meaning for the word "tonka", which is a sort of rocket fuel, used for some time since 1940. According to the John Clark's "Ignition!" book on liquid rocket propellants (printed around 1970), von Zborowsky (the guy who also invented the term "hypergol") from Caltech lab (?) used the word "tonka" (after a coumarin bean with vanilla-like smell) as a codename for a fuel he worked with.

Confused, would-be poets such as myself might want to look at Tanka for info about the Japanese poem form.

I am not sure the General Mills information is correct. Is there a citation? -- No, the General Mills information was incorrect. It has been removed.

There are several problems with this article, and I intend to correct them. I don't know who Berg Holmgren was, but the chronology of events looks to have been passed down by his family, as Mound Metalcraft purchased the Streater templates for two toys after Streater had failed to market them. If Berg Holmgren designed those two toys, he did so for Ed Streater, not for Mound Metalcraft, and it was Mound Metalcraft that purchased them from Streater and marketed them as Tonka Toys. Anyway, I am going to start working on the article now. I will probably take my time and do it bit by bit, as I learn the formatting here. Any help in Wikifying what I put in would be appreciated. Dennis M. Myers 00:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The word Tonka is sioux for Great. Minne is the word for water. Minnesota, Sky Blue Water. Minnetonka, Great Water. While it is true the word Tonka is found in the name for the lake Mound is located on, the idea really was "Great Toys". Unfortunately, I cannot find a reference to this directly. It was related to me by my grandmother, who was Lynn Baker's sister-in-law. Is there any way to reference such material? Dennis M. Myers 01:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

My apologies. I never had the time to work on it. Dennis M. Myers (talk) 12:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

location, location, location
Can someone in the know insert the location(s) of the company HQ over the years --all we have now is Hasbro's. --A Good Anon 08:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

As the article now says, the company was founded in Mound Minnesota. I am researching this, however, as I believe there was a time when the corporate offices were moved to another nearby city. Dennis M. Myers 00:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

the head quarters was located at the intersection of Hwy 62 and 494 in Minnetonka MN until about 1989. The headquarters moved to the North tower of the Shelard Complex on hwy 169 in 88 or 89. In 1991 Tonka Toys was aquired by Hasbro and the all operations in Minnesota discontinued early in 1992.

Lswanee (talk) 18:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC) lswanee

The Tonka ethos
When I was growing up, I was told that the thing that marked Tonka toys as different from their competitors was their near indestructible build-quality, i.e. that they were specifically designed so that kids would be able to really punish them yet they'd still work. Can anyone confirm whether this is true? If it is then it would be good to have it mentioned in the article. A few photos of some of the toys wouldn't go amiss either! -- Hux 20:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Family Tradition has it that Lynn Baker used his nephews (my uncles) as test subjects and let them really beat the crap out of the toys to see how they stood up. Unfortunately this is, as I said, quotes from my family. My uncles remember it well, but there is no reference I can use for Wikipedia. Dennis M. Myers (talk) 21:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Tonka logo.png
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Tonka toy made 'real'
I think that photo of the Tonka truck should be deleted or have it's caption changed because it seems to give the wrong impression that a Tonka toy design was made into a real vehicle when in reality it's just a CGI image that even then might not fall under fair use.--Anguirus111 03:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Gender Roles
Tonka has been crtisized by Feminist critics, based on its current ad campaign "Built for Boyhood"...

Check it out

http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2007/09/20/tonka-built-for-boyhood/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.10.103 (talk) 20:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

researching tonka toys legacy
I am from MOund Minnesota.Original home of TONKA TOYS. I would like more info on Tonka Toys dumping into Lake Minnetonka. Rumor has it that they moved to Mexico to avoid dumpng fines.I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE. IT IS JUST WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS HEARD. Mound is a very small town with VERY VERY high rates of cancer, immune disorders, autism and severe as well as rare birth defects.I worked in special ed several years back so I have seen this first hand and I have a son with autism, and many life threatening health problems.He and my daughter also have significant immune dificiencies.I have heard that when Lost Lake was uncapped, a few years back,instead of levels of toxins being lower,they were higher....I want to know what toxins?? I want to know some truth and solid facts....how much dumping did Tonka TOys do??What did they dump??and what are the long term affects on the environment.Noone is talking.There was a doctor her a few years back doing research on the subject but he was closed down. I want to know who closed him down and how?? Another doctor told me that there is a specific classification for us, "PIFM"- meaning patient is from Mound.When the docotors see this they know they will encounter many medical problems and few answers.He said we should ask what was dumped in the lake but the lake is all this small town has ,so far as revenue, so noone is going to even suggest that it may be unhealthy. SOooo, do any of you Tonk TOys experts know WHERE DID THEY REALLY GO??WAS IT MEXICO?? WHERE ARE THEY NOW??DOES TONKA TOYS EVEN EXIST ANYMORE OR WAS IT TAKEN OVER BY HASBRO????WHERE DO THEY MANUFACTURE THEIR TOYS NOW???MORE IMPORTATNLY WHERE IS THEIR HEADQUATERS LOCATED???? Any help would be greatly appreciated.As a parent, I am just stabbing in the dark for answers. Thanks Uhane —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uhane (talk • contribs) 14:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I reckon that this report, although it dies not deal with the lake per se, is relevant to the above query: https://www.pca.state.mn.us/waste/mound-tonka-main-plant

Tonka licensed/impoted by Funrise under Hasbro license--Relevant?
Funrise Toys is (as of 2014) the importer/licensee of the Tonka brand from Hasbro, amongst a large collection of classic toy brands. (see http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/8/prweb9805292.htm) Is this a sufficiently wiki-relevant business and collector detail? I'd think it would be of more interest to collectors down the road than, say, a feature film director's attachment to a project. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.39.216.12 (talk) 21:56, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The first step in this answer is whether or not it has been reported in independent reliable sources. (It's worth noting this article is not specifically aimed at "collectors down the road". Collectors, in general, are interested in minutia that a more general audience would not care about.) - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 22:17, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it warrants a small mention at least, like the video game rights and the original transfer to Hasbro. It's been mentioned in business press a few times in the twenty years of partnership (the deal began in 1998 and continues; Hasbro no longer maintains a website for Tonka and the brand is represented entirely in association with Funrise). I've added a small note about it. Mockingbus (talk) 06:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Streater
The article omits the history of E.C. Streater. E.C. Streater allegedly producted wood products, specifically wooden ammunition cases during WWII. From scrap wood, he produced wood toys that sold under the name "Tick Tock, made exclusively for Firestone." Ive seen some of these toys on ebay. The label has the "Tick Tock" and "Firestone" names. Marc S. 206.192.35.125 (talk) 14:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you explain how this is connected to Tonka? Binksternet (talk) 16:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

According to my family lore, Streater owned the building that was purchased to set up Mound Metalsmith. The templates for the metal toy trucks were found on a shelf in a closet. They checked with Streater and got permission to use them. I do not know if any money was exchanged for them. There were modifications made to make them easier to build with their machinery. Dennis M. Myers (talk) 12:03, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

"revealed"
Yes, on Wikipedia, EVERYTHING is a revelation ("a surprising and previously unknown fact, especially one that is made known in a dramatic way")

That said, the meaningful part as far as this article is concerned is that there was a film in production, not that it was announced or revealed. Most of this (or any other) article could be rewritten with "revelations".

"The Winifred Museum in Winifred, Montana, has a collection of more than 3,000 Tonka toys." becomes "In 2012 it was revealed that the Winifred Museum..."

"In 1964, Tonka acquired the Mell Manufacturing Company in Chicago, allowing it to produce barbecue grills, eventually under the Tonka Firebowl label." becomes "In 1964 it was revealed that Tonka acquired..."

In short order, Wikipedia is no longer about anything real, it's all a series of revelations. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:07, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Parents
Hasbro is the parent company. Those other two never owned the brand. 2600:1008:B044:D9AC:0:39:A07F:B401 (talk) 16:59, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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S2 programming language
Self-re-nomination. I have nominated this at some point last year. The only objection it received at the time was that "we shouldn't dilute our list of featured articles with such obscure topics" (paraphrase from memory). Since the rules now state that "each objection must provide a specific rationale that can be addressed" (FAC-instructions) and this objection is not something I can address, I am re-nominating. — Timwi 15:30, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Object for now. Needs expansion (particularly the final two sections), and (a minor point) certain parts of it seem to be written for someone who is familiar with LiveJournal. [[Image:Flag_of_Australia.svg|30px|]] plattopusis this thing on? 16:25, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. No reference sections (or references are improperly formatted as external links). The lead section is ok, but the rest of the article is lacking. Just a few from many, many problems I see with this article: 1) Not a single code excerpt or example is provided is provided. 2) I'm not quite sure the concept of "layers" is properly explained (I certainly couldn't understand simply from the text in the article). What are layers concretely? Source files, class libraries? 3) Sections 2 and 3 are way too short. 4) Section mentions a web interface, which isn't mention anywhere else. 5) How does S2 compare to other scripting languages/stylesheet languages (CSS, JS, PHP)? Could we see a list of major projects using S2 (is it proprietary to LiveJournal?) Phils 16:38, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Object 1) as stated above cite your sources 2) I'd like to see some examples of the code (i.e. how would one program Hello World in this language?). slambo 16:45, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)


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Murat McKeown
Delete as vanity. FreplySpang (talk) 15:31, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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