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1913 Atlantic hurricane season

The 1913 Atlantic hurricane season was the third consecutive year with a tropical cyclone developing before June. The first system, a tropical depression, developed on May 5 while the last transitioned into an extratropical cyclone on October 30. Of note, the seventh and eighth cyclones existed simultaneously from August 30 to September 4.

Of the season's ten tropical cyclones, six became tropical storms and four strengthened into hurricanes. Furthermore, none of these strengthened into a major hurricane—Category 3 or higher on the modern-day Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale—marking the sixth such occurrence since 1900. The strongest hurricane of the season peaked as only a Category 1 with winds of 85 mph. That system left five deaths and at least $4 million in damage in North Carolina. The first hurricane of the season also caused one fatality in Texas, while damage in South Carolina from the fifth hurricane reached at least $75,000.

The season's activity was reflected with an accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) rating of 36, below the 1911–1920 average of 58.7. ACE is a metric used to express the energy used by a tropical cyclone during its lifetime. Therefore, a storm with a longer duration will have high values of ACE. It is only calculated at six-hour increments in which specific tropical and subtropical systems are either at or above sustained wind speeds of 39 mph, which is the threshold for tropical storm intensity. Thus, tropical depressions are not included here.

Hurricane One
Weather maps and ship data indicate the development of a tropical depression in the southwestern Caribbean Sea around 06:00 UTC on June 21. Moving north-northwestward, the depression accelerated and intensified into a tropical storm on the following day. Early on June 23, the storm made landfall near the Honduras–Nicaragua border with winds of 40 mph. Thereafter, it continued north-northwestward and oscillated slightly in strength. The system made another landfall near Cancún, Quintana Roo, with winds of 45 mph late on June 25. After briefly crossing the Yucatan Peninsula, the cyclone emerged into the Gulf of Mexico and eventually began moving more to the west-northwest. Early on June 27, it deepened into a Category 1 hurricane and peaked with maximum sustained winds of 75 mph. The hurricane then curved northwestward and made landfall in Padre Island, Texas, at the same intensity around 01:00 UTC on June 28. After moving inland, the storm quickly weakened and dissipated over Val Verde County just under 24 hours later.

Impact in Central America and Mexico is unknown. The storm brought heavy rainfall to portions of South Texas. At Montell, 20.6 in of precipitation fell in about 19 hours, while Uvalde observed 8.5 in of rain in approximately 17 hours. The resultant flooding caused considerable damage to lowlands, houses, and stock. Additionally, communication by telegraph and telephone were cut-off for several days and traffic was interrupted due to inundated streets. One person drowned in Montell. Strong winds were also reported, with winds of 100 mph over Central Padre Island. Along the coast, storm surge peaked at 12.7 ft in Galveston.

Tropical Storm Two
A low pressure area detached from a stationary front and developed into a tropical depression on August 14 while located about 185 mi west-southwest of Bermuda. The depression moved rapidly northeastward and intensified into a tropical storm on August 15. Thereafter, it peaked with maximum sustained winds of 45 mph. By August 16, the storm transitioned into an extratropical cyclone while situated about 290 mi southeast of Sable Island, Nova Scotia. The remnants were promptly absorbed by a frontal boundary.

Tropical Storm Three
Weather maps and ship data indicated a tropical depression formed near the west coast of Africa on August 26. Early the next day, the system strengthened into a tropical storm. It then tracked westward for several days, threatening the Lesser Antilles before turning north-northwestward on September 3. Eventually, the storm recurved to the northeast before beginning an eastward direction on September 7. The following morning, it peaked with maximum sustained winds of 70 mph – just shy of hurricane status. Thereafter, the cyclone moved northward to northwestward for the next few days. Around 12:00 UTC on September 12, the storm became extratropical while located about 290 mi southeast of Cape Race, Newfoundland and Labrador.

Hurricane Four
A tropical storm developed about halfway between Bermuda and the Bahamas at 12:00 UTC on August 30. The storm moved slowly north-northwestward and approached the East Coast of the United States. By September 1, it intensified into a Category 1 hurricane. Eventually, the hurricane curved to the northwest. While located offshore North Carolina early on September 3, the cyclone peaked with maximum sustained winds of 85 mph and a minimum barometric pressure of 976 mbar, making it the strongest tropical cyclone of the season. Hours later, it made landfall near Cape Lookout at the same intensity. Shortly after moving inland, the system weakened to a tropical storm. By September 4, it deteriorated to a tropical depression before dissipating over northeastern Georgia.

In North Carolina, winds as high as 74 mph at Hatteras caused severe crop losses, especially in areas adjacent to Pamlico Sound. The worst of the property damage occurred in the vicinity of New Bern and Washington. At the latter, northeast to southeast gales caused waterways to rise 10 ft above previous high-water marks. Large railroad bridges in both New Bern and Washington were washed away, as were many other small bridges. Many low-lying streets were inundated. The storm was considered "the worst in history" at Goldsboro. In Farmville, a warehouse collapsed, killing two people inside while three deaths occurred elsewhere in the state. Throughout North Carolina, numerous telegraph and telephone lines were damaged. Similarly, telegraph and telephone lined were downed in rural areas of Virginia. Small houses in Newport News, Ocean View, and Old Point were unroofed. Overall, this storm caused five fatalities and $4–5 million in damage.

Hurricane Five
An extratropical cyclone developed offshore Rhode Island on October 2 and moved southeastward. Eventually, the system curved southwestward and transitioned into a tropical storm on October 6 while situated about 325 mi northwest of Bermuda. After becoming tropical, the storm continued to move southwestward and approached the Southeastern United States. By October 7, it curved westward and began to intensify. The storm became a Category 1 hurricane around 06:00 UTC on October 8. Peaking with maximum sustained winds of 75 mph and a minimum barometric pressure of 989 mbar, the hurricane made landfall near McClellanville, South Carolina, about eight hours later. By the evening of October 8, the cyclone weakened to a tropical storm and fell to tropical depression intensity by late on October 9. Early the following day, it became extratropical and was soon absorbed by a strong cold front over North Carolina.

Although the storm had been a hurricane at landfall, the highest recorded winds in South Carolina were 37 mph. The Georgetown Railway and Light Company and the Home Telephone Company suffered the worst damage. Throughout Georgetown, wires and poles were toppled, which briefly cut-off communications. Fences and trees limbs were also blown down. Heavy rain, peaking at 4.88 in, was recorded along the coast of South Carolina. Precipitation led to minor crop damage, totaling approximately $75,000.

Hurricane Six
The final tropical storm developed in the northwestern Caribbean Sea about 60 mi southeast of Banco Chinchorro, Mexico, at 00:00 UTC on October 28. Moving north-northeast, the storm reached Category 1 hurricane intensity about 24 hours after its classification. Around that time, it peaked with maximum sustained winds of 75 mph. Around 06:00 UTC on October 29, the system made landfall near Cape San Antonio, Cuba, at the same intensity. After about six hours over Cuba, the hurricane weakened to a tropical storm. It transitioned into an extratropical cyclone in present-day Mayabeque Province before being absorbed by a frontal boundary shortly thereafter.

Other systems
In addition to the six systems that reached tropical storm status, four other tropical depressions developed. The first formed northeast of Bermuda on May 5, marking the third consecutive year in which a tropical cyclone originated before June. The depression was absorbed by a frontal boundary on May 7. Another tropical depression developed in the Bay of Campeche on June 13. Drifting slowly northward and westward, the system made landfall in southern Texas on June 16 and dissipated the following day. The next tropical depression formed in the vicinity of the Azores on July 20. After four days, it was absorbed into a frontal system. The final cyclone that failed to tropical storm status developed in the northeastern Gulf of Mexico to the south of Tallahassee, Florida, on August 4. Drifting southwestward over the next few days, the depression dissipated by August 7.

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Talk:Power forward (ice hockey)

This article needs cleanup
The examples of players is stupid, even if the word Power Forward was used in Hockey at all. Johan Franzen gets removed, but Corey Perry is added? Cal Clutterbuck is added? A guy who is just a grinder, who checks, and fights. Sounds like more of an Enforcer. Bobby Ryan, and Alexander Ovechkin are both 6"2 guys who are skill players. Not defined as power forwards. Brendan Morrow is a 5"11 190lbs guy. Chris Pronger is not a forward at all. This article needs a major clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.84.144.114 (talk) 23:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC) Alexander Ovechkin and Bobby Ryan's playing styles are considered to be almost textbook power forward. generally speaking "skill players" (playmakers, danglers, energy players, etc.) in the NHL are 5'10"-6'0" and larger guys (power forwards, enforcers, grinders, etc.) are 6'2"-6'4" (with a couple exceptions). Brendan Morrow (who is 6'0" 209, not 5'11" 190) is considered by some to be a power forward because of his playing style. Also, weight is a considerable factor as well; skill players like Mikhail Grabovski (5'11" 183), Brian Gionta (5'7", 173), Kyle Wellwood (5'10", 181, and he is considered heavy), the Sedin twins (6'2", 188 and 6'1", 187), Steven Stamkos (6'1", 188), and Martin St Louis (5'8", 176) are A LOT lighter than guys like Nikolai Antropov (6'6", 245), Alexei Ponikarovsky (6'4", 226), Bobby Ryan (6'2", 209), Alex Ovechkin (6'2", 233), Joe Thornton (6'4", 230), Johan Franzen (6'3", 222), Corey Perry (6'3", 212), Brendan Morrow (6'0" 209), Eric Staal (6'4", 205), Shane Doan (6'1", 230), and Jarome Iginla (6'1", 207). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.58.85 (talk) 04:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * also, the prototypical example of Cam Neely was 6'1", 218 at the end of his career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.58.85 (talk) 04:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Too many examples?
We had this discussion over at the Enforcer article, but I don't really love the idea of a huge, unruly list of power forwards. I also don't see the point of designating who is "active", since, well, who really cares. If you want to see whether the player is active, you can click the link and read the article. Croctotheface 12:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Since the heading is "past and present examples", it makes sense to point out who is active and who is not, which doesn't seem like that big a deal. However, it's tough to determine how many examples should be listed, seeing as how there is no definitive list in which to reference, not to mention the list is far from unanimous.TheKuLeR 07:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I just don't see why, of all pieces of data to include, whether the player is currently on a roster is the one to go with. In general, categories are constructed so that they don't make a distinction between active and not active.  In other words, Maurice Richard, Cristobal Huet, and Chris Higgins all go in the "Montreal Canadiens Plauyers" category, despite the fact that one is long retired, one is injured, and one is currently playing.  I think the logic behind that is sound, as it prevents the need to make somewhat arbitrary determinations of what it means to be active and it prevents the upkeep required to enforce them.  Also, for the record, the heading was not always "past and present examples"; it was changed, I believe, to follow the edits that someone made to the section.  Croctotheface 12:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Examples section, still
I'm not sure if we should endeavor to make a list like this. It might be more appropriate for a category. I am not fond of the lack of sourcing here, since it causes the section to rely on the opinions of individual editors about what a power forward is and is not. If it remains unsourced, it may be appropriate to delete it. Croctotheface 05:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

It's been a week. I'm deleting. Croctotheface 00:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

On examples
Recent Canadian Press story about Eric Lindros They compare Lindros with Clark Gilles, and Cam Neeley and then say Neeley "invented" the power forward (huhn?). If Neeley was first the first guy who combined strengh/size with skill then what the hell were Bobby Clarke, Gordie Howe, and Mark Messier? I realize that the term powerforward is new (because it was borrowed from basketball) but the idea of combining strengh and skill is as old as the game. For that reason we should ignore half-cocked journalist like this. If we do need any examples (I don't really think we do) we should stick to things that respected hockey historians have to say about it. Kevlar67 07:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See this article:

 * As I understand it, Harry Sinden coined (borrowed) the term "power forward" when describing Neely, but I don't think anyone would seriously describe him as the first power forward -- just the first to have the label. (This message was typed while wearing a Cam Neely jersey, by the way.)  Wayne Miller (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Alexander Ovechkin
There is no artical outside of wikipedia that notes Alexander Ovechkin as a power forward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanutig (talk • contribs) 21:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, someone was just being a dick and putting him in because they like him or something. 139.142.154.129 (talk) 18:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

If you honestly believe that Ovechkin doesn't fall into the category of "power forward," you quite frankly know absolutely nothing about hockey. Ovechkin scored 65 goals last season, he's 6'2", 217 lbs, and ranked #9 in the entire NHL with 220 checks. If he isn't a power forward, then there is no such thing as a power forward. Please, be serious here.

I would, however, take issue with Mark Messier not being on this list. Also, what makes Kris Draper a power forward? He's a 5'10 inch, 188 lb grinder who has has one 20-goal season in his entire career. He has little in common with the other players on this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.251.205.135 (talk) 22:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Draper may be small, but he's an intense defensive shut-down player. Watch him play, and enjoy some of the amazing hits he dishes out every night. While he's not as obviously a power forward as Alexander Ovechkin (probably the most obvious power forward in the recent history of the game), I would still, personally consider him one. But, true, I suppose he isn't usually considered a power forward by most, so you do raise a good point. Certainly though, is it not folly to not have Ovechkin on this list? I'd even call him the archtypical power forward, next to maybe Owen Nolan or something. AlexRochon (talk) 02:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The NBA-ization of the NHL
The entire discussion of this non-position is crazy to me. I grew up playing hockey, and a winger is a winger is a winger. There was never couching or line management that ever used the term "power forward" all the years I played and watched the game.

Watch film of the dominant 1970s Montreal Canadiens; as the perfect example of high level hockey, you'll never hear a commentator refer to any player as a power forward. Nor will you hear it on the machine that was the New York Islanders. Nor was it ever mentioned with the 1980s Oilers, nor going back to greats such as Gordie Howe. It's just not a hockey term.

Now, when NBA executives start working at the NHL office, all of a sudden we are using this term? There is a position, a text book position, in basketball called a power forward, which is distinguished from the "small forward" position, and has a specific role to play. Such is not the case in hockey.

Another term that has crept into the hockey lexicon directly from basketball is minutes played. Basketball is entirely concerned with tracking a players minutes. Hockey never was because the games are played very differently. In basketball, a player must literally "check in" at the time table during a stoppage in play when all the time clocks are stopped and the player change can be recorded; in hockey, players jump over the bench midstream with no stoppage in play, because the game is designed to flow, and this flow design does not lend itself to tracking a player's minutes played with accuracy.

I can only imagine that the so-called leading minds in NHL's front office are attempting to make the NHL more American, or at least more aligned in packaging to the NBA. The NBA was also a league at a low point and near going defunct before a renaissance that started with the finals in which Magic Johnson came off the bench as a rookie and his Lakers in a win. It further got a shot in the arm with the coming of Michael Jordan in the 1984 draft and his Nike endorsement that changed the future of sports endorsements and product tie ins to a sport in a way Wheaties never could. Perhaps they think that if they do some of the things in NHL that worked to revive the NBA, the NHL might be more successful in the United States.

I think it's ridiculous. Original Six hockey had more American teams than Canadian. Americans in winter environments like hockey. The problem is trying to shove hockey down the throats of people in tropical climates who have no interest in hockey. But to say that, as a result of the failure to make hockey mainstream, "Americans don't like hockey" is silly. It's just not for everyone, and no amount of fashionable terms borrowed from another game will change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.205.191 (talk) 06:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Personally, I've never heard the term "power forward" before and if I did I probably ignored it, because it sounds phoney. By the definition of the article it's a player who can play physical and score goals. The article tries to puff it up and make it more complicated, but that's what it means. Problem is, a player who is physical and can score goals is just an all-round player. You don't need a special word for it. "Power forward" is really a term without any use. You'd hear a GM say "this team really needs a sniper" or "this team needs a checking forward" or "we need a good face-off guy". But no GM would ever say "we need a power forward" because OBVIOUSLY you want one because by the article's definition it's the perfect player. Also, the article has players like Howe and Richard on the list. Problem is, that era was very defensive and players were expected to have a physical aspect to their game or they were sent down to the farm team. So, forget Richard and Howe, they were ALL power forwards!  BashBrannigan (talk) 13:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A power forward is not "a big guy who can score". A power forward is the guy who digs in the corners and sets screens in front of the net looking for rebounds and deflections, using his size to create opportunities in contrast to a sniper who skates in the high slot and the circles looking for a pass or a loose puck. If you want to see a pure power forward watch Nikolai Antropov's play. If you want to see a pure sniper (albeit he is more of an energy player on defense) watch Jason Blake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.58.85 (talk) 04:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For Wikipedia what is important is what can documented from reliable sources. What your describing " the guy who digs in the corners and sets screens in front of the net looking for rebounds and deflections, using his size to create opportunities " does not match what is meant by power forward. It sounds more like a "grinder". BashBrannigan (talk) 17:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * A grinder is someone who backchecks, and is physical, but they're usually smaller players. Remember, none of these playing styles (sniper, grinder, dangler, power forward, enforcer, etc.) are hard and fast positions, they're extreme points that all players are a combination of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.97.151 (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Candidate for deletion?
This article is almost a candidate for deletion. The complete lack of references makes this appear to be entirely original research. Best as I can tell, editors are simply adding players to the list based upon their own opinions. Every single player on this list should have a reference to what published source referred to them as a power forward. As far as that goes, why is there a list at all? Also where did this definition of power forward come from? It probably is OR or synthesis itself. BashBrannigan (talk) 17:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup
I cleaned up the article. The talk page had numerous complaints, including my own, but nothing was being done about. So I decided to do something about instead of just complaining. I removed all the unsourced crap and added only material that I could cite. BashBrannigan (talk) 02:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move

 * Support: See Naming conventions (city names) --Philip Baird Shearer 17:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Warofdreams 11:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 10:12, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Spanish Armada
Looking for a non-copyright-vio photo of Streeda Strand to illustrate Spanish Armada in Ireland. Help.--shtove 23:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Ring Road, Mid-Block or Inner Relief Route?
I've never commented on a discussion page before, so forgive me if I'm approaching this matter incorrectly (If so, I'd be grateful if someone would advise me on the correct approach to take in this matter).

In the Transport section, the first line reads 'Sligo is also well known for having a ring road that goes through the middle of the town, thereby obviating the need for a ring road.'

I'm not sure that this is fair comment. The road, which was opened mid 2005, has always been called either a 'mid-block' or an 'inner relief route'. A ring road, by it's very nature, rings or encircles the town it is attempting to bypass, but this road's express purpose was to relieve the traffic congestion through residential and commercial areas of Sligo town. While the road may or may not be as successful as was originally envisaged (and that's another debate!), I believe it's unfair to call it a ring road in this article, as I don't believe it has ever been called that by anyone involved in the process of planning and building of this route over the last 3 decades. In my opinion, it characterises the planners and therefore the people of Sligo in an unfair manner.

Does anyone else have a comment on this?

The.Q 16:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I got caught up in a revert war with someone on that recently (month ago) but eventually gave up. My main disagreement is that it does not read well at all - sounds like "our little town is unique, go away, outsider". Gave up because did not have enough time or knowledge to stand over its removal. Djegan 18:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It's called the "Sligo Inner-Relief Road" and is a three-lane (six in total) dual carriageway that cuts through the centre of the town. It ends at a roundabout that leads on to the N4 Dual-Carriageway (two-lane (four in total)). Jvlm.123 19:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Sligo is NOT a city Together&forever

 * I don't think event the good citizens of Sligo are sure about this one. On their web site the Sligo Borough Council refer to both "Sligo Town" and "Sligo City"! Their address is "Sligo Borough Council, City Hall, Quay Street, Sligo", which is next door to the Sligo City Hotel. I was there last week for the Sligo Live Festival and was given a street map of the "City of Sligo" from the Tourist Office and bus timetables from Bus Éireann for "Sligo City" Services.
 * --Maelor 19:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

they think they are great but were you in the quayside shopping centre. once you go downstairs you don't know how to get back up, it's that badly laid out. and anyway what city doesn't have easons--Together&forever 11:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Together&forever

 * Having a branch of Easons is not one of the criteria necessary to become a city! I had no problems in finding my way out from the basement of the Quayside Shopping Centre. I used the up escalater which is conveniently situated adjacent to the down escalator.
 * --Maelor 13:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Sligo HAS official city status, but is commonly refferred to as a town because people did not get used to calling it a city. Anyway, Sligo also has an Easons now, not that that has anything to so with it being a city, so stop making stupid comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidbreath (talk • contribs) 23:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi Acidbreath. Unfortunately, I don't think that's quite true. In an article in the Sligo Weekender (as recently as two months ago) you'll see it noted that Sligo doesn't have city status yet. Certainly, the "borough council" (note, NOT "city council") make reference to "city" in a few documents. And, from a planning and spacial strategy (Department of the Environment) perspective Sligo is considered a "gateway center". But sligo is NOT a "city" per sé. It isn't treated as such in the census, or any other national artifact.
 * It all seems a little arbitrary really, but OFFICALLY (according to the Dept of Environment and Local Govt), there are:
 * 5 "cities" - Cork City, Dublin City, Galway City, Limerick City, and Waterford City all have City Councils.
 * 1 "historical city borough" - Killkenny has a Borough Council (and is formally a town) but claims "city status" for historical reasons, and uses "city" ceremonially usage. It isn't a "city" however in terms of planning and management.)
 * 4 "boroughs" - Clonmel, Drogheda, Sligo, Wexford (and Kilkenny) all have Borough Councils - but don't have as much autonomy as city councils and none are "cities" in terms of planning and management.
 * 49 "towns" - 49 towns (Arklow to Youghal) have town councils.
 * Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 00:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

well a lot of people did have problems and there is no point pedestrianising o connol street because what is the point? there is nothing on the street and i don't think there will be so much people walking on it that they will take up the whole street. and don't tell me it is because of the traffic it's just another way sligo want themselves to be made known as a city. and by the way the retail park is ...... well i will just say no good to put it politely --Together&forever 13:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Together&forever

The four images have been deleted as they have been found on other websites. Please refrain from stealing from other websites and making out you did the work. If this continues you will be unable to edit wikipedia in the future. Thank You

 * Together&forever You are incorrect! As I stated above I was in Sligo last week and took the photographs myself (along with several hundred others). The photographs have been automatically replaced on the Sligo site. Any attempt to delete them again will produce the same results. Are you able to make any positive contributions to Wikipedia yourself?
 * --Maelor 15:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Much as I may disagree with Together&forever on some of the comments made here, I probably have to agree with him that Sligo is probably not a City. I was born and raised and have lived almost all of my live in Sligo, and most Sligo people (Sligonians) will probably tell you that Sligo is a city, while in reality we know that it isn't.  We will use the often accepted (but not necessarily correct) reasons that we have not just one, but two cathedrals (Roman Catholic Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception and St. John's Church of Ireland Cathedral), that we have a Borough Council with a mayor and elected representatives, that we are a 'Gateway City' according to the Government's 'Spatial Strategy' and many other reasons.  However, the Wikipedia article 'Cities in Ireland' refers to those with a city charter, which Sligo does not have.
 * No, we also don't have an Easons, but we don't miss it, we have other, far superior, bookshops, and if you can't find your way upstairs when you've just come downstairs, I'm not sure you can blame anyone else but yourself ;-)
 * The.Q 14:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

brodericks & Keohans aren't very good bookshops though, that is my opinion and it should be accepted. Sligo bookshop is ok 2 out of 6 stars. and the booknest is o.k and the liber bookshop is not satisfactory and i am pretty sure most sligo people would agree with me. and if you could find someone better to build your auld shopping centres i might find my way in and out. and by the way the shopping centre with tesco isn't satisfactory it takes 5 seconds to walk through it. just name one good shop in it other than tesco. i shouldn't be blocked from editing as the info. i'm giving is good.

Sligo is not a city; if it was then it is Ireland's best kept secret. A royal charter, city hall or branch of easons do not, in themselves, make a place a city; a royal charter can confirm just about any status of a place or thing. The Local Government Act, 2001 does not identify Sligo as a city even thou' Section 10 specifically mentions Kilkenny as been a city, for the purposes of description which is not in conflict with the act otherwise. Djegan 18:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking about travelling to sligo over the weekend but I only like certain shops. Would you be able to tell me where I can find the following shops in the town.

-Atlantic Homecare

-Gamestop

-Easons

-Argos

-Aldi ( I don't like lidl)

-Jean Scene

I can't wait to visit Sligo and all these wonderful shops. --Together&forever

 * You will be disappointed to hear that they don't have a Mothercare or Toys 'R' Us either!
 * --maelor 12:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Go i will if there is champion sports, brown thomas or roches stores--Together&forever 18:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You know, this may be getting away from the topic, but if all you're looking for is a town/city like any other with exactly the same shops as everywhere else, perhaps Sligo is not the place for you. While we have many of the well-known chain stores (such as Next, TK Maxx, River Island, Tesco, Lidl, Sasha, Vero Moda, Etc., Etc.) Sligo has plenty of its own unique shops, many of which are immediately identifiable as being part and parcel of Sligo, and in fact known the world over. --The.Q 12:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I reverted this Sligo page to remove the following by Inanimate:
 * ' The "Inner-Relief Road" was originally designed to be a ring-road, but the planners quickly changed the name following the stark and shocking realisation that the new road was not going to ring the town but go straight through it.'

It doesn't really bear comment, except to say that more than 25 years ago (c. 1980/81 when I was about 10 years old) I knew that this road was planned to go through the town. If the children in the town knew this, it's hardly likely that the town planners were "surprised" by it. --The.Q 14:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that the information that you submit should be Encyclopedic in nature and that Wikipedia is not intended to be a tourist guide. Entries such as "Sligo is also well known for having a ring road that goes through the middle of the town, thereby obviating the need for a ring road." and "Sligo's airport is peculiar for the fact that the control tower closes before the last plane has landed." are based on cynical conjecture and are presumably attempts to invoke a flame / revert war.

For example, given that the primary purpose of ATC is to provide aircraft separation in BUSY air traffic zones, it is remarkable that Sligo has ATC at all since it handles such a low voulme of air traffic. As a pilot myself, I can attest that it is common practice GLOBALLY for ATC towers in areas of LOW TRAFFIC to close its services to aircraft at a reasonable and usually well documented time (often 1/2hr before sunset),irrespective of any airbourne aircraft in the vicinity. Separation is thereafter, easily and routinely self-managed by any remaining pilots by means of IFR/IMC/Night rules (VFR if applicable).

Please stick to factual information and refrain from posting conjecture, personal opinion, shopping preferences etc. as this is in no way 'Encyclopedic' or helpful for that matter. I have therfore removed the comment on Sligo ATC.

--Pmcdon 23:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Grammatical Correction
Excuse me The. Q I was recently reviewing your previous mumblings and couldn't help but notice that you seem to have added an utterly unneccessary apostrophe on your otherwise reasonably creditable synopsis dated 23rd June 2006. May I ask if at all you are a qualified Wikipedian and if so why you would allow such an obvious typographical error to destroy what would have otherwise been an argument that I simply could not have disagreed with. However since this mistake I have been unduly traumatised and suffered the nightmare of severe sleep disturbance with dramatic side effects such as breaking out in a cold sweat nightly as I fear for the safety of this exceptional information mine if it is being prowled by grammatically ignorant miscreants such as yourself.

--Qwertyuiopasdfgh vfen 19:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Please excuse my poor grammar. I suppose one incorrectly placed apostrophe could ruin it for you, but I hope the meaning of what I was trying to say was not lost.  Please accept my humblest apologies. --The.Q 12:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for unconsidered edit
I am posting this to apologise for an edit I made on the main page without properly understanding wikipedia norms and protocol. It involved the shortening of the last line in the introductory paragraph to omit the statement made without citation that Sligo was voted the shitiest town in Ireland, a comment which was not only vulgar but also completely unnecessary, and I mentioned previously, lacking in citation. I apologise for my hastiness, but would be open to discussion on the matter. Bilbotv 20:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC) Who voted it the sh*test town in Ireland and how many votes did it get? Vintagekits 21:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

That was the point I was making, it's impossible to know because the "fact" had no citation to it's source or even any relevant figures. It was just some idiot trying to have a cheap shot. Bilbotv 18:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Access issues on Sligo mountains?
Walkaware inserted "It should be noted that hillwalkers are not encouraged to walk these mountains due to access issues." While I'm aware that there are access issues to Benwiskin and generally around the Gleniff horseshoe area (basically Benbulben mountain), I am not aware of any issues around access to, walking up or otherwise climbing Knocknarea. Before I move this line of Walkaware's, can anyone verify (or otherwise) that climbing Knocknarea is causing access problems? --The.Q 15:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm moving the statement from Walkaware to ensure it only applies to Benbulben. --The.Q 12:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I would like to remove the line completely as it is too far removed from the subject matter (Sligo - History). It realy belongs in a hill-walkers guide book, under the heading "Walking restrictions in the North Sligo area". Pmcdon OK Did it - Line removed.Pmcdon This article needs some images of the awesome inland cliffs. It is notable, they are considered the Highest Cliffs in Europe. 64.180.237.144 (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Clean-Up
This article needs a major clean-up. It mentions things that are not anything to do with Sligo Town. e.g. Strandhill, Carrowroe. Please clean-up this article.

Twin Cities and Flags
I reverted the changes recently made by 82.19.14.180 for two reasons - --The.Q | Talk 13:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe Flag icons are appropriate here, but more appropriate to an infobox, or other place where full country names cannot be shown easily.
 * This user removed links to other pages, Etc., without any reason given, so I have now reinstated them.

 * Actually if anything flags are more appropriate than links to other languages of wikpedia. Djegan 14:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You're probably correct about the links. I was thinking about that, but wanted to have some reference to prove the details.  I may move those links (both the non-english language Wikipedia ones and the the Talahassee web page) to a references section, where they are probably more appropriate. Would that suffice, or do you think the flags should be reinstated as well? I haven't been around here as long as you, djegan, so I'd be happy to change it back again. --The.Q | Talk 14:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

recent edits
This article is becoming a bit of a mess.

Does anyone want to make a go at retuning it?

Djegan 00:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Had a bit of a go fixing some of the POV over the pedestrianisation 86.40.200.160 17:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The meaning of Sligeach
There was recently an edit changing the translation of Sligeach from shelly place to shelly river. I do not know the Irish language but have a reference regarding Irish place names which suggests abounding in shells as its meaning. (Reference: Deirdre Flanagan and Laurence Flanagan, Irish Place Names, Gill & MacMillan, ISBN 0-7171-2066-X.) This sounds as if Sligeach has just a reference to shells but not to river. My Irish dictionary tells that sliogán is the Irish word for shells and abhainn for river. In conclusion, I do not think that shelly river is the correct translation. However, a native Irish speaker or an expert in Irish place names might have a more educated opinion. --AFBorchert 05:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I believe that you are correct. The Irish for shell is "sliogán". "Sligeach" therefore (at a low level) just means "shelly" - or - by extension, "shelly place". I think it is OK for you to revert - unless the anon editor can provide additional reference for the change. Guliolopez 10:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have always been informed that it meant "shelly river".--Vintagekits 10:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Well - my interest is peaked now. Per above, if "Sligeach" is derived from "sliogán", then a direct translation is just "shelly". However, "shelly" is just an adjective, and so (on it's own and unless applied to a noun), it doesn't mean much. So, the question is then therefore, what was "Sligeach" applied to? The river? Or the place? Or, the river at a certain place?

If we accept that it "originates in the abundance of shellfish found in the river and its estuary, and from the extensive 'shell middens' or Stone Age food preparation areas in the vicinity", then BOTH are probably correct. (Certainly, the britannica article says "Shelly river", but the Sligo council website says "Shelly place".)

The wikipedia article should therefore probably make mention of both - or neither(?) IE: Either:
 * Sligo's Irish name Sligeach - meaning "shelly place" or "shelly river" - originates..., OR
 * Sligo's Irish name Sligeach - meaning "shelly place/river" - originates..., OR JUST
 * Sligo's Irish name Sligeach - meaning "shelly" - originates...

Thoughts? Guliolopez 11:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I like the current state which provides a very generic translation (shelly place) which is interpreted in various ways in the rest of that paragraph, i.e. by giving references to shellfishes, the river, and shell middens. If shelly place is replaced by a more specific variant like shelly river, references to the other possible interpretations do no longer make sense. Finally, this generic variant is supported by Flanagan & Flanagan (see above) and the Sligo county council web page. I would suggest to provide a reference which points to this book and to the web page. Regarding the Britannica: I'm not sure but this could be based on early Ordnance Surveys which can not always be relied upon. --AFBorchert 17:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Maybe it's better to just leave as is - as you say. "Place" is a (possibly) generic enough a word to cover both "midden" and "river", and the following text provides additional context. Guliolopez 18:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Page 36 of this weeks Sligo Post says that it means "bay of shells"!--Vintagekits 19:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The meaning of "sligeach" revisited
There are two contradictory statements in the article concerning the meaning of Sligo. One says it means "shelly place" and cites the Sligo Borough Council website to verify the claim—not, perhaps, the best qualified source to offer academically robust scholarship on such matters as word meanings. The other citation from Joyce, an academic, says the name means "the place of two fords", and he directly disputes the "shelly place" interpretation (see footnotes in article). It is not satisfactory that the article contradicts itself. The proper meaning should be determined and only one offered in the article. Unfortunately, the Placenames Database of Ireland does not translate the word "sligeach". — O'Dea (talk) 12:38, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

pronunciation
Just want to confirm pronunciation is sly-GO, as we have it now, not SLY-go. kwami 08:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because you have written the GO part of sly-GO in capital letters, do you mean that this is the stressed syllable? If so, I'll have to take issue with you.  I've lived in Sligo almost all my life, and no-one I know has ever pronounced it that way, but always with the stress on the first syllable.  If I've misunderstood you (and I'll be the first to acknowledge that I have no idea about IPA English), please let me know, otherwise I'm going to change this back to SLY-go. --  The.Q (t) (c) 10:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how to pronounce it. Someone wrote it with final stress, and I found that odd. I'll move the stress to the first syllable. kwami 13:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The first syllable is to be stressed according to the Collins Dictionary of the English language, ISBN 3-12-517931-9. --AFBorchert 22:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Dirty ol' town?
Regarding this addition to the article recently: On 7 January 2008, it was revealed that Sligo was the "dirtiest town" in Ireland according to the Irish Business Against Litter survey.

I'm wondering if anyone has any comment on it.

Yes, it's true, this survey did find Sligo the dirtiest town of 50 surveyed in Ireland, but there has also been some criticism of the survey and it's methodology. Now, I'm not talking about the current Mayor of Sligo's pronouncements see here, which were embarrassing and only to be expected (he certainly had me rolling my eyes in despair). However, having looked at the IBAL website, the Final Results for 2006 show Sligo had Litter Free Status.Secondly, in 2005, the incongrous nature of the methods used was shown in starker relief, when Ennis won the 2005 Tidy Towns competition, two weeks after being named a litter black-spot by the IBAL survey see here. I'm not sure how to put this into the article, or whether the survey results should be removed from the article altogether. Any comment? -- The.Q (t) (c) 15:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, my comment is that the survey result are about as notable as a shooting in Cranmore - news today and forgetten about tommorrow. Shouldn't be contained within the article unless the place has a history or is known as a place that is duuurdi.--Vintagekits (talk) 17:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Should I remove the offending text as NN, or is that taking it a step too far? -- The.Q (t) (c) 15:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Population and references
I have reinstated the reference to the CSO 2006 Census for the population of the town. This was removed by 86.154.128.196 in this diff, for no apparent reason. This user also changed the rural population of the town from 24,096 to 1,510 (quite a significant drop).

The figure of 24,096 (which was also previously referenced, and has been re-referenced) came from those same Census figures (see page 112 of this link), in particular the heading Sligo rural area, which gives a population of 24,096 for 2006. I don;t know where the figure of 1,510 came from, as it;'s not referneced. If there is a better reference for the rural population of Sligo town, which shows a population of 1,510, please feel free to change this back. However, I believe valid references shouldn't be removed unless the reference has been shown to be suspect in some way (and I don't think that can be said of the CSO. --  The.Q (t) (c) 16:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've found it myself, so I'll change the figures and references. It's on the CSO website at Table 7 of Census 2006.  I'll properly reference it, also. --  The.Q (t) (c) 10:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

continuing city/town debacle!
I'm sure I'll probably cause a little controversy by my last edit, but I wanted to set it straight here.

I'm the first to admit that Sligo is a town and not a city (see elsewhere on this talk page for references), and I believe that this article should reflect that. However, where the term city is erroneously used in other documents/websites, Etc., and this article quotes directly from those, the term city should, of course, be used. This is why the naming of the bus service in the town is highlighted as the city service. This is what Bus Éireann call it on their website and on the side of the buses, so to call it anything else would be inaccurate.

I also think this is what a user (Acidbreath I think) was trying to do a while ago, but perhaps was not able to articulate it. Hope this makes sense. -- The.Q (t) (c) 12:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The changed wording seems reasonable to me. So long as the term doesn't "creep" into other areas. Guliolopez (talk) 12:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Completely agree, Gulio, which is why I tried to be careful about how I phrased it, and this explanation. -- The.Q (t) (c) 13:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Development Section
Who keeps cutting down the information on the development section!?! You are compromising the usefulness of this article by cutting important points out and leaving the article confusing and practically useless as a source of information! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.134.201 (talk) 23:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Bus routes
I find it surprising that the local bus service operates 387 different routes in the town. This should be corrected. I'm not sure what the correct number is (less than 5). KMcD (talk) 14:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Education
Someone removed St.Mary's college from the list of schools in sligo for no apparent reason. It has now been added again. Please do not remove it again. Also some one changed the name of Scoil Naomh Eanna(Carraroe N.S) to its english form "St.Enda's N.S". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.95.161.152 (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Number of Primary / Secondary schools

 * 5 primary schools … and 42 secondary schools

made me raise an eye!

In _County_ Sligo, there appear to be:

71 primary -- http://www.schooldays.ie/primary-schools-in-ireland/primary-Sligo

and 15 secondary -- http://www.schooldays.ie/secondary-schools-in-ireland/Sligo

Perhaps someone with knowledge of Sligo city (and environs) can use more realistic figures than 5p & 42s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Txarli (talk • contribs) 20:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Sligo is (still!) not a city
Just in case there's any question about it, see all the discussion above, and in other places, Sligo is not a city. It does have a City Hall, a City Bus Service, and so on, but these are just names. Sligo does not have official city status, and is unlikely to ever have. -- The.Q (t) (c) 15:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

 * By the above you would, I presume, be referring to it's possible inclusion (along with the other listed cities of Cork, Dublin, Galway, Limerick, Waterford and Kilkenny) in the local government of ireland act. To a large extent it is generally included with these other urban settlements as a City (such as for example in the National Development Plan). In most European countries and in Canada for example the requirement for city status is a permanent population of more than around 5,000 people which would mean that sligo would certainly meet the requirements within countries with a larger population than Ireland (proportionally it could be argued that we could have potentially more cities than we would even excluding Sligo as an example if we are classing them by proportional population, but then that is another argument). The fact that nominally Sligo is recognised as a City as you mentioned by means of the City Bus Service and the City Hall (and in addition many business such as the Sligo City Hotel) would certainly entitle it to be vernacularly called a City, whatever about legislatively, and as such the inclusion of this name in a wikipedia article would be consistent with this. In addition to this the fact that there is already official precedent to the usage of the name in the form of the National Development Plan and the National Spatial Strategy and the fact that the actual authorties which should be in a position to describe it as a city (i.e. the City/Burgh Council) have described it as such in much of their documentation does lend the term some official weight. The people I imagine are most in opposition to the usage of the term I would see as being people from Dublin or Cork who couldn't stand Connacht having another cities because 'sure we're only dirty thick culchies anyway'. This kind of discrimination should not be allowed and is not consistent with the terms of usage of wikipedia. I would suggest a debate comparable to the Derry/Londonderry City controversy with perhaps the term being Sligo City/Town. Expressions such as 'Sligo will never be a City' sound to me like parochial politics designed to denegrate the long beaten people of the west and to treat our insititutions in a patronising manner and these people should not be allowed edit wikipedia articles in such a cirumstance. The people who should decide whether or not there home is a town or a City are the ones that actually live there and the respective authorities in charge of the region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.101.219 (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The assertion at the lead that there is a campaign to have Sligo 'recognised' as a city is not supported by references to reliable sources. In fact the only evidence of any such campaign appears to be here at the Wikipedia article itself. Removing accordingly. RashersTierney (talk) 17:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Transport - Depedestrianisation of O'Connell Street
I have removed about half a paragraph on this subject as there are no citations and it is clearly opinion. KMcD (talk) 15:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

In Media
For what its worth, the 2014 film Calvary was filmed (partially) in Sligo and by implication (Sligo is features in numerous signs) is the (main) site of the film. Seems to methat this is worthy of mention for a village of its size, but I'll defer to others on this.216.96.77.230 (talk) 03:21, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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Why is there no picture of the Benbulbin mountain?
As I said there's no picture of the Benbuubin mountains, which is a distinct part of Sligo town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick Mcdermott25 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Benbulbin is not actually part of Sligo town; it is part of the County of Sligo, and actually has its own article. Therefore a stand-alone image of  Benbulbin mountain in the Sligo article would almost certainly be WP:UNDUE, though its appearance in a backdrop of another image would slightly improve that image's candidacy for inclusion of the article.  Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Main image
The previous lead image up to 4th may 2021 was deleted. On enquiry the rational on the (now deleted) file was: "Existing place, plenty of free images on Commons (c:Category:Sligo) which can be used to make a montage like this". I've currently replaced the main image by promoting of the Bourough Council Building. I'f anyone wishes to suggest a better choice they are welcome but a montage may be felt necessary as it may be not individual image is particularly satisfactory for the role.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Panoramic image in Sligo Port section
@ the panoramic image you added in good faith to the Sligo Port section of the article appears to me to be rendering as over dominant and of excessive footprint for the section particularly if the browser has a high width setting. I feel it should be reduced to a normal size. Can you also ensure co-ordinate discrepencies on the image are resolved. I would also note Sligo's using camera drones are advised to be aware of relevant legal restrictions in operation. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

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Shankh Monastery

Shankh Monastery (Шанх хийд, Shankh Khiid) located in Övörkhangai Province, Central Mongolia, 25 kilometers South East of Kharkhorin city, is one of Mongolia’s oldest and most historically significant monasteries. It was founded in 1647 by Zanabazar, the first Jebtsundamba Khutuktu, or spiritual head of Tibetan Buddhism for the Khalkha in Outer Mongolia, around the same time as the establishment of the nearby Tövkhön Monastery.

The monastery belongs to the Gelupa, or Yellow Hat Sect, school of Tibetan Buddhism. Its main temple is famous for its seven Kalachakra Mandalas which portray all 722 Kalachakra deities, the only ones of their kind in Mongolia.

The meaning of the word shankh is unclear, with some speculating it refers to the small mountain range between the monastery and Erdene Zuu Monastery, while others claim it refers to “a group of objects arranged in a particular order”.

History
Zanabazar founded Shankh Monastery in 1647 when he was just 12 years old. For many years it was known as the “Monastery of the West” (Baruun Khüree). It began as a ger monastery, and moved several times before settling in its current location in 1787 and taking on its current name. Nevertheless, a large number of monks continued to maintain the traveling camp until the late 19th century.

According to the Russian ethnographer Aleksei M. Pozdneev, who visited the monastery in 1892, in addition to the main temple, built between 1710 and 1790, it consisted of five large beautifully decorated gers that could accommodate nearly 200 people. It is said that the black military banner of Genghis Khan was housed at the monastery for a time, although the current whereabouts of the banner are unknown. At its height the monastery included several schools that practiced Tantric rituals, especially Kalachakra, Buddhist philosophy and astrology. By 1921, the year of the Mongolian People's Revolution, it consisted of some 20 buildings and housed over 1500 monks.

Like most of Mongolia's religious centers, Shankh Monastery was closed down in 1937 and most of its standing structures destroyed by the country's communist regime as part of violent Stalinist purges. Many of its monks were executed or sent to labor camps in Siberia while 5 young novices were permitted to return to their families. The main temple, which had escaped major damage, was later used as a warehouse. Fortunately, most of the monastery's precious relics were removed and hidden away by one of the young novices, Gombo, and thus survived the destruction of the monastery.

Restoration
After the 1990 Democratic Revolution in Mongolia, the surviving novices returned to Shankh and began restoration efforts on the main temple. In 1993, the 14th Dalai Lama sent three monks to Shankh as part of efforts to again cultivate Buddhism in the country.

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When it's not boarding
In NHL hockey, and in many other leagues as well, players slam each other roughly into the boards on nearly every play. I think this article should do a far better job explaining what the difference is, so that someone who is not a hockey fan would understand.

Normally, I can easily spot the difference between an ordinary bodycheck and an instance of boarding - essentially, in fair hits the targeted players are prepared to defend themselves and get moved only a short distance, while boarding forces a potentially defenseless target through a much longer distance at high speed.

But a real hockey expert can and should give a much better explanation than I just did. TooManyFingers (talk) 22:25, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 10:09, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support: See Naming conventions (city names) --Philip Baird Shearer 17:40, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Warofdreams 11:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The statistics section of this article contains information relating to the county, not to the town.

Arcwell 18:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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Fair use images
Someone has removed both of the images saying that they are not fair use for this article. I disagree with respect to the image from the 2006 Winter Olympics. The picture in question is a digital photo (thus a derivative work) of a full-length TV broadcast of the game in question. In terms of the portion of the work reproduced, it is a tiny fraction of the original TV broadcast. It is used to represent the subject of the broadcast. Because of these two facts, this image does constitute fair use, and I am restoring the image. Johntex\talk 00:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, removing the top image was an accident. However, the one below is a clear copyright violation. Screen shots are only fair use when they appear in an article related to the program the shot is taken from. We could use that image to illustrate an article on the television programme in question, but we cannot just add it to an article that merely happens to cover the subject matter. As the template makes clear, such images can only be used "for identification and critical commentary on the station ID or program and its contents." - SimonP 02:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If you need any more free pictures, I uploaded a few faceoff pics: Image:HitmenHurricanesFaceoff.jpg, Image:IginlaDraperFaceoff.jpg, Image:YelleDraperFaceoff.jpg. The last one isn't currently used in a Wikipedia article.  Since they are my own work and there are already pictures here, I'll let someone else decide if they should be added to this page.  -- JamesTeterenko 04:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Faceoff
Does anyone have further input about the rules of a faceoff? The article brushes by some simple rules, but it doesn't cover all the rules. MikeDawg 19:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

In the 2009 NHL Rulebook Section 32 rule 32.3 Face-offs – One of the Referees shall face-off the puck to start each period and following the scoring of a goal. Linesmen are responsible for all other face-offs. darrennie (talk) 00:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Also in IIHF (International Ice Hockey Federation) rules the players are not allowed to use their skates to win a faceoff. darrennie (talk) 00:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Formerly known as a "puck-off?" Really? I smell vandalism. 99.27.200.30 (talk) 05:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Is the puck dropped at center ice by the referee or linesman if the puck goes out of bounds at center ice? The referee does it after a goal is scored and at the start of each period. The linesman does it at the other spots. But who does it at center ice when the puck goes out of bounds? 173.51.128.50 (talk) 05:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move
Faceoff → Face-off — Most dictionaries refer to a "face-off" as a noun, with the phrasal usage "face off". Hockey Canada (at least) uses this style. Caulfield14 (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC) *Oppose move as proposed, due to non-standard capitalization. --DAJF (talk) 14:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Jane and Jill will take the face-off.
 * Jane will face off against Jill.
 * Comment. Why the capitalization? It's not a proper noun. Jafeluv (talk) 09:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops Sorry, my first go at being pedantic on Wikipedia. It should be 'Face-off'. Correcting now. Thanks guys! Can anyone help fix the template box to reflect my change on the movereq? Caulfield14 (talk) 16:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support move to Face-off with lower case on the second element. This is the spelling used in the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition, 1989). The hyphen is also used in news sources dating back to 1896. Cnilep (talk) 18:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support — IAW WP:TITLE — V = I * R  (talk) 06:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support move to "Face-off". --DAJF (talk) 11:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. The proposed title is used by Britannica, Encarta and Columbia. Jafeluv (talk) 07:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

About face-off
Why some team sports (include Ice hockey, Lacrosse, etc) is use this way instead a team have a possession when their opponents have a goal after, brench a rule (include offsice) and a foul?--Pierce (talk) 12:27, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Botched edit summary completed
To finish what I was typing here before I inadvertently hit save, I think it would be better to lead the article with a video showing a face-off, however imperfect, rather than a set of images. Daniel Case (talk) 19:59, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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Is "quinella" a widely used term to describe Lemieux's 5 goals, 5 different ways?
I am not familiar with this term, and internet searches seem to only link to this page or direct copies of this page in regards to hockey. It is often referred to in gambling, I believe, which seems unrelated. Thank you for any assistance. This is my fist Talk page edit, so I hope I am using the proper techniques to answer this question.

Seanwill 17:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Hello. I am not familiar with this term either.  So, I did a quick search, and the only non-Wikipedia copy that mentioned it that I could find was this.  I wouldn't consider a quiz a reliable source for information.  So, unless we get someone to speak up to this and find a source, I would say we remove it.  By the way, you used the proper technique to ask a question on the talk page.  And following up on the Hockey WikiProject was also a good move when no one answered here.  -- JamesTeterenko 04:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Being a hockey fan, I would like to say that I have never heard the term quinella (in realtion to hockey), and would second the movement to get rid of it.--68.45.76.174 01:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In a sports book I found that its five goals, scored five different ways and the only person to do this is Mario Lemieux. hope this helps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.18.10.37 (talk) 16:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Game-winning goal misdefined
I'm having trouble wording this in a non-confusing way, but the game being tied is not needed for a GWG, as is currently implied. If a team goes up 2-0 and then gives up the next goal, the second goal (not a go-ahead-goal) is considered the GWG. The GWG is the goal that is 1 higher than the opponents total. In addition, with the implementation of shootouts, the term game-deciding-goal has been used to refer to the player who scores the "GWG" of a shootout (I don't believe it counts in GWG stats, though).--128.205.153.176 19:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hockey Net Dimensions
According to NHL Rule 3b:

"The goal posts shall be of approved design and material, extending vertically four feet (4') above the surface of the ice and set six feet (6') apart measured from the inside of the posts. A cross bar of the same material as the goal posts shall extend from the top of one post to the top of the other."

5 hole refers to the puck going between the goalies legs. RiffRaffAK (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Goal types
Can someone post the various goal locations like 5 hole, 2 hole?

QUESTION?????

How across from one is from the other goal????????????????????

I NEEEEEEEEEED TO KNOOW

Merge into Goal (hockey)
Goal (hockey) is currently a Redirect to this article Goal (ice hockey). Should we move this article to Goal (hockey) and generalize it to cover field hockey also? H Padleckas (talk) 07:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

NHL!?
HUH?! Can anyone please change this article from A US POINT OF VIEW to a normal Goal (ice hockey) term page.. It's unsettling to see how the US takes over everything, even hockey.. Which they're not even good at...

Natural Hat Trick Missdefined?
I beleive it should say that it is a Natural Hat Trick when 3 goals are scored in the same period, not 3 goals consecutavlly? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't want to edit it if I am... Youngril (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Offside Pass

 * Is this true? I didn't know you could get a "two line pass" call at all, in the new NHL rules. Sounds plausible though, for a pass that crosses both blue lines.  But why would they bother with calling this infraction if the idea was to open the game up? If the receiver is actually offside when the puck crosses the second blue line then the referee will stop play.  This simpler rule would do the most to "open up the game."

An offside pass is technically still an infraction if it crosses both blue lines. But an offside pass from inside your blue line to inside the opponent's blue line also means the receiving player would have to be offside on the play. Fortunately they just call the offside instead. It keeps it simpler. They should have just deleted the offside pass rule rather than modify it. It would have "netted" the same result.

 * Where is the off-side pass or two-line passed even mentioned in the current rule book? – Pedantic79(talk) 21:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Ten years later, and this page is still a mess. Consider this sentence: "The National Hockey League adopted the version used by the top minor leagues, under the terms of their 2005 Collective Bargaining Agreement, in which the centre line is no longer used to determine a two-line pass." If the center line is no longer used, then that means that nothing is used. (Because the article says, "An offside pass (or two-line pass) occurs when a pass from inside a team's defending zone crosses the red line," where "red line" of course means center line.) Is this sentence therefore trying to say that the NHL abolished the two-line pass? If so, it should simply say that. 74.71.64.241 (talk) 05:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

What is it for?
The article doesn't go into the actual intent of the offside rule.. If we didn't have the rule how would the game be different?--Hooperbloob 00:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

If the attacking player did not cross the attacking blue line before the puck, then touches the puck that was passed from a teammate behind the defensive blue line, a two line pass can be called without an offside offense on the same play. However, this almost never happens, and I imagine the linesmen forget the rule. Kerri Ace (talk) 08:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Typo?
"Both of his skates must be completely on the far side of the red line when the puck crosses the red line into the attacking zone is governed by the aforementioned offside rule."

This sentence doesn't make any sense to me, there seems to be some a word missing or something. What is the subejct of "is governed by (...)"? Chjoodge (talk) 13:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Typo 2?
The Hockey Rink image showing the zones has the text "Storekeeper's Bench", shouldn't that be "Scorekeeper's"? Cedal (talk) 17:03, 25 Feb 2019 (CET) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.245.105 (talk)

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Requested move

 * Support: See Naming conventions (city names) --Philip Baird Shearer 17:44, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Warofdreams 11:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As there are other Longfords perhapse this should be moved to Longford, County Longford. -- Philip Baird Shearer 17:44, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the move is necessary - this Longford is by far the best known and all the current links to Longford point to it.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 10:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Disputed: Airliners?
I'm not entirley convinced that Longford's Abbyshrule airfield is capable of accepting any kind of airliner, let alone a heavy cargo plane (Antonov An-124) or the largest ever passenger airliner (Airbus A380), especially as the latter isn't even in service yet. This requires verification and, if it's entirely wrong, removal. I'm adding the appropriate tags. Mickthefish 19:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sheep's clothing
Some unflattering photos by ZICO were removed as "vandalism in sheep's clothing" - which is fine. But unfortunately much of the text goes the other way and reads like a puff piece. Will someone try and remove the Tourist Board language from the article? (Sarah777 04:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC))

 * I would fully agree that some of the photographs removed by 86.40.99.23 were a little "unflattering", but, perhaps unfortunately, they are factual images; the Market Square does look as it appears in the photograph. It should be noted that the article contains a fairly neutral balance of photographs (I would call the Abbeyshrule airport and the train station photographs fairly neutral, for examples). If the Market Square (or the tourist information office) changes in appearance, then, of course, the article should be updated with the relevant photographs.

 * Regarding the section on the "public convenience" of Longford town, there, again, is only factual information stated (although, the language could, perhaps, be tidied up a little). I would not call the image "unflattering" (I might call it 'unusual'). The toilet is, in truth, notable (for reasons stated in the section).

 * I think that Sarah777 is correct in saying that much of the text is not exactly up to encyclopaedia standards (I wouldn't generally think of Longford as "futuristic"). It really could be improved in places.

 * If anyone has views or arguments on this matter, feel free to state them. ZICO 20:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Longford Town Football Club
Updated the "Sport" section, it's been a few years since Longford Town were relegated from the Premier division, and the League of Ireland is no longer referred to as the Eircom League. Backbeatlistener (talk) 21:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Origins of the name 'Longford'
It appears that the name derives from 'Longford Uí Farrell' or 'Longphort Ui Fhearghail'; O'Farrell's fortress, see 1 & 2 - and not Longphort as currently stated. Thoughts? RashersTierney (talk) 04:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC) told ya Tierney, told ya 2 years ago, now your actin like you've figured this revelation out all on your own when originally you'd argued down to the ground that longford was a viking town. Its not Longford (Anglicisation) or Longphort (Viking enclosed ship dock)its Longfort which is a fortification, i TOLD YOU THIS ALREADY. It was also one of the only Gaelic market towns that arose in medieval times without the help of vikings or normans, you demean Longford with your talk of Longphorts. An Ceallach — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.244.89 (talk) 19:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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March 2019 - people
Some additions of people to Lonford town may perhaps be more appropriately placed elsewhere ... Francis Ysidro Edgeworth is a candidate for move to Edgeworthstown where he was born for example - his article makes no mention of Longford Town. Comments welcome. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed! Most of the people here are misplaced. I believe only Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, Willie Browne, Ray Flynn and Michael Gomez should actually be here. Others are variously duplicates with Granard, can be placed in other towns or are just from other parts of the county. Declangi (talk) 09:46, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've done a pass removing the Granard duplicates and moved one each to Ballymahon and Edgeworthstown. I'm incline to believe Francis "Frank" Butler and Padraic Colum probably don't rightly belong here but I haven't located a specific appropriate settlement. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:15, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Colum seems good ... my it's my original research ... has plaque under a tree at the hospital 53.72442°N, -7.78592°W and as far as I can tell consistent with this map but I'll leave it for others to check the findings as I don't know the area in detail. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell (from pressreader) the Irish Independent published on 25 April 2018 Butler was born in Longford Town. Two possible issues may be they could have been lazy and sourced that information from this article (I note only as a possible) ... and its possible the temporary pressreader page was incorrect.  I do however note the people list has  previously been pruned and some since restored.  hmmm. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:14, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this, a big improvement. Colum and Butler look fine to be under Longford. In general, the People sections of Ireland town articles are prone to vandalism and boosterism. It's one of those ongoing tasks to keep them clean! Declangi (talk) 23:27, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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Shaw 1780
Hi. I reverted this recent addition. As it fails verification. On page 380 odd of A Galic and English dictionary, Volume 1 (Shaw; 1780), the entry for "Uiſneach" suggests that it could refer to "An old name of the county of Longford". Emphasis mine. This article is about the town of Longford. Not the county. Which is covered at County Longford. The given source does not state (and therefore cannot be used to support a claim) that the town was previously known as "Uiſneach" or "Uisnech". If other sources support such a claim, then feel free to re-add. But we cannot rely on that source for that addition. Guliolopez (talk) 11:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Table data
What exactly do the times on the table listing longest overtime games mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.83.1.234 (talk • contribs)
 * Minutes and seconds. Flibirigit 22:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Just counting the overtime minutes not the 60 minutes that are a given Galuple 07:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be more aesthetically pleasing if the first two coumns (numbers) were right justified and the remaining text was centred. If anyone knows how to code this it would improve the table. Justin.Blades 23:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Is the "**" designation relevant? I can't think of any instance that a game would be noted with "**" without a "†". Could we get rid of "**", and just mark cup-winning games with "* †"? Pdickey (talk) 06:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Stars vs. Canucks, April 11-12, 2007
Please don't update the chart until after the game has been done. All that will do is lead to many pointless edits on the page, and a very good possibility that the chart could be ruined in some way. So when the game finishes, then it can be added. Kaiser matias 07:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Galuple 07:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone has to take control of this, and with most of North America already asleep, I am here to prevent mass chaos from errupting on one of the little noticed pages we got. Kaiser matias 07:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It's 3:15 AM here in NY, and I am still listening on NHL Game radio. I will not edit the chart, even though the game is about to pass the Easter Epic that my beloved Islanders won... EnjoysButter

Now the 6th longest...EnjoysButter 07:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

...And climbing. Go Canucks Go. Kaiser matias 07:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

So who's going to score?

 * One of the twins EnjoysButter 07:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You were right —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justin.Blades (talk • contribs) 07:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
 * I say Modano --the_hoodie 07:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

WesternCanadian: I'm here in the West two cities away from Vancouver and still watching.

Crazyness.. who wants it more? Triplefx 07:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

TOLD YA! EnjoysButter

Please do not add redundant links to this article. Only link the first time a team is mentioned. --phenzTalk 07:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I dispute the facts of the chart, the goal was scored on april 12, not april 11, this is just wrong! EDIT: okay, that makes sense.

 * The game started on April 11, and is registered as being played on April 11. Kaiser matias 07:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The article is right. Check the Easter Epic game. It started on Sat (4/18) even though it was won on 4/19. PS- Good luck Canucks! EnjoysButter

Thank god, I was just gonna protect it to prevent well, a massive edit war. Finally, Henrik put the red light on (now the funny thing, Transit just shut down here in Vancouver) -- Tawker 07:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Nothing better than having to walk home from the game eh? Galuple 07:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to protect the page anyways. I have a feeling that it is going to get a lot of useage in the next couple of days, and I don't think anyone really wants to deal with that. Kaiser matias 07:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't this be it's own page? Just a thought for the future?
 * I mean longest NHL overtime games, not this particular game.EnjoysButter

I woulddn't think so. They aren't that notable, and only happen every couple of years. This page does enough for them. Kaiser matias 07:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Time Limit
Is there a time limit from the whistle to attempt each shot in shootout, a bit like a 24-second shot clock in basketball?

Sharks-Stars coming on the list
lol, Morrow scores!!!

As soon as someone wins the game winning goal.... whenever that may be... Whammies Were Here 05:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, there will be an addition for sure tonight. So far, it's going to be at least #12 or better on the list. CopaceticThought (talk) 06:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

--Alienvenom (talk) 06:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC) GO SHARKS!!! :D
 * And now it's protected so that there won't be any disruptive edits until the game is over. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Why would you want to edit war when you could be watching the game instead? My computer is not in the same room as the TV. CopaceticThought (talk) 06:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify as to why I protected the article. Wikipedia isn't a news source; we aren't here to be a up to the minute sports site like ESPN or the like. When the game is finished, it will be added to the list, but not beforehand. So just enjoy the game, and watch history possibly being made. And go Sharks, force that game 7. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't agree. I've restored it, and frankly, a few edits don't hurt anyone, and do provide information to readers, who we're supposed to be working for.  Ral315 (talk) 06:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While I agree I am expalaining it poorly, but it is used, from what I can determine, across the various sports projects. It's a game in progess, and it doesn't need to be updated until completed. A similar problem happened back in the 2006 World Cup of Football/Soccer, to use an example, and the consensus was not to update any matches until after they were completed. I would look up some more official explanation, but I'd rather watch the game, and it is rather late out. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose I can see the point in not editing an article if it's just being updated with the current minute of the game -- that's certainly not the best way to spend time. But in an article with a list of records, I don't see why we can't update the records as the game goes on.  Moot point at this point, of course, as Dallas has won.  Ral315 (talk) 06:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The game just ended with 69:03 of overtime when Morrow scored for Dallas
 * And is now irrelevant. What a shame. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Just wanted to point out that Wikipedia beat ESPN.com to the result of the Stars-Sharks game by 10 minutes. I love Wikipedia! :)  Bjquinn (talk) 06:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and GO STARS! Bjquinn (talk) 06:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

NCAA Overtime Info
I'll admit I've got a bit of personal interest in this one, but I was wondering if anyone would object to the addition of the 1984 NCAA Div. 1 Championship Game (Bowling Green v. University of Minnesota Duluth) to the list of NCAA Men longest overtime games? At 97 minutes, 11 seconds, I'm pretty sure it's the longest D1 Championship game in history. I can find sources, but I just wanted to see what some other opinions would be. Thanks, Tstreet (talk) 03:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

DET/PIT 6/2/08
It keeps being added, but I don't see why the game today belongs in the list. It smells of recentism. The OT win was not in the top 20 longest games, and there was not a series/Cup winning OT goal. Therefore, historically it is not particularly notable and doesn't belong. V-train (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

 * While I can agree that it seems a little bit suspect, I think the fact that it was in a potential elimination game in the SCF and Sykora basically 'called his shot' make it potentially worthwhile. Just another opinion.  If it does stay, it needs to be re-worded, because saying that it "dashed the hopes" of the Detroit crowd and the wording that they "squandered" their lead or whatever seems a little POV. Tstreet (talk) 05:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protect Please!
A number of IP's are currently vandalizing the article without stopping. we need this measure at least currently. --Ularevalo98 (talk) 22:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Olympic Overtime
Well, Canada just won in overtime against USA. But the reason I came here was to see if the Olympic rules were standard. To my surprise, the Olympic overtime rules are not mentioned ANYWHERE in this article. Could someone find a citation about the Olympic rules for overtime and mention it in the appropriate place in the article? 216.80.142.142 (talk) 22:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

(Revised to add header for section below. Sorry about that.) WHPratt (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Ex Post Facto Sudden Death?
"However, if the same number of goals are scored by both teams during the shootout, a sudden death shootout is begun . . . "

I'd prefer to put quote marks around "sudden death," as this usage corrupts the term. Sudden death should mean that the contest ends with a score. The situation described here is more like extra innings in baseball (or a college football overtime), as a complete cycle for both competing teams is required to be completed. Why should a hockey game that ends on a save be considered sudden death? WHPratt (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC) My thanks to whomever edited this. The phrase "sudden death shootout" should be relegated to the oxymoronic trash heap. WHPratt (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Ottawa and Pittsburgh (List of overtime games of 3OT or greater)
We have another one to add to the list of 3OT+ today; 2nd OT has just ended. We'll just have to see how far they can go! Bcperson89 (talk) 03:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Longest AHL overtime needs to be changed
On May 9, 2011, Winnipeg native Dustin Boyd scored six seconds into the third overtime period, ending the longest Game 7 in the AHL’s 75-year-history and sending the Hamilton Bulldogs to a thrilling 2-1 win over the Manitoba Moose at Copps Coliseum in the decisive game of the North Division Finals.

 * Mario Lévesque (talk) 17:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

May 2, 2012 - LOL @ whoever is keeping the list up-to-date by the minute as the NYR-Capitals game approaches the 4th overtime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.191.248 (talk) 04:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Notable playoff overtime game?
"May 13, 2013: Patrice Bergeron of the Boston Bruins scores past James Reimer of the Toronto Maple Leafs at 6:05 of the first overtime period in Game 7 of the Eastern Confrence Quaterfinals to cap off a miraculous comeback which saw the Bruins rally from being 4–1 down in the final 11 minutes of regulation to win the game 5–4. Bergeron also scored the game tying goal with 50.2 seconds to go in regulation time."

Sounds to me like the overtime win wasn't itself very notable - just the "miraculous" comeback in regulation, and this seems to only be notable to the fan that added this game. Nominate for deletion. Will wait until after the cup for discussion before I delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.250.160.5 (talk) 00:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Timing of NHL playoff overtimes post-1991 (tenths of a second)
An anonymous editor identified by an IP address has revised the table of long NHL playoff overtime games to state that the 1996 Capitals–Pittsburgh game ended at 79:15.4 of overtime. His most recent edit summary noted that in 1991 the NHL adopted the NBA's clock that uses tenths of a second during the final minute of a period. While that's true, I've reverted the edit for the following reasons:

(a) If tenths of a second are to be used as to one game, they should be used as to every game played since the league started using that clock. But this particular game was the only one changed to this format. It looks rather odd to be so precise as to one game and not as to any other.

(b) NHL statistics don't use the tenths of a second in the box score. They just show minutes and seconds.

(c) The NHL record book doesn't use the tenths of a second either. You can find the score of every overtime game since 1918 at the following link: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=31236 (Click on the ten-year periods underneath the table heading to see more recent data.) Tenths of a second are not shown for any game, including the Capitals' 1996 game (a game I remember all too well as a Caps fan). If the NHL record book doesn't record statistics with such pinpoint precision, I don't see any point in doing so here.

While I think the anonymous user intended his edit to be in good faith, I simply think it opens up an impossible task by calling for a level of precision that can't likely be satisfied because it may be impractical to get this sort of data for all other post-1991 playoff overtime games. In addition, I think it creates a further burden because the casual reader will wonder why some games' entries show this precision and others don't, meaning an explanatory footnote would be needed. But the table already has enough footnotes as it is. 1995hoo (talk) 18:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe this is misleading ...
"(the World Hockey Association had used a 10-minute regular season overtime period, as had the NHL prior to World War II)"

Yes, the WHA overtimes were set for 10 minutes, but were terminated by a sudden-death goal. So, practically speaking, they were nothing like the pre-war NHL's overtime periods, which were played out in full. I'd suggest that this read "(the World Hockey Association had used a 10-minute, sudden-death regular season overtime period)" or similar wording. WHPratt (talk) 17:00, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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List of Notable NHL games
This section is uncited and needs to be removed. It has multiple issues, each of which independently justifies removal. I removed the list, but reverted my changes, so I will wait for a reply before removing again. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 18:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) There are no citations that the games were ever played. Per WP:CHALLENGE, uncited content can be removed and the editor who restores the material must provide citations.
 * 2) The list is filled with recent games with no evidence of continuing notability, so it should be pruned per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM.
 * 3) Lenthy lists in articles are discouraged per MOS:EMBED and the list lacks a well defined criteria required by WP:LISTCRITERIA for a stand alone list.
 * I would not object to brief list consisting solely of games that satisfy WP:NEVENT — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 18:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm just going to start my reply on a new line and we will go from there. The first point can easily be refuted by citing pages 271-275 of the NHL Guide and Record Book (there are other sources, but that one is quick and easy). The second point I actually agree with you on some of it (the recentism has gotten a bit out of control) and have no issues condensing what is currently there. The third point kind of dovetails into the previous one and I'm more than willing to help come up with some criteria to determine what makes a specific overtime game notable.

I will argue that any game that went to four overtime periods or longer should be included as that has happened less than 20 times in a century. We probably need to look at series winning goals on a case by case basis. The others are likely fine to be removed but should reviewed one last time to see if they might be a better fit in a team season article if it is not already present. Deadman137 (talk) 04:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I would just add that for many decades, sudden-death overtime was limited to the Stanley Cup playoffs, and for most of that time, the playoffs were but two rounds of play. This suggests that just about every win, including overtime wins, was a significant step towards the championship. Having said that, I think that we should be selective about overtime wins in the era when every game could go to overtime and the playoffs had four tiers. WHPratt (talk) 04:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Rule (shootout)
Regarding shootouts, I didn't see any discussion of whether the visitors or the home team shoots first -- or whether there's a coin flip or other determinant, and whether that order persists throughout the shootout under the various league rules. Certainly, this is important to strategy, and thus has to be addressed. WHPratt (talk) 17:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Demolished arenas
The list of notable NHL overtime games has a symbol denoting demolished arenas. My question is, why do we care? How is the fact that an arena was demolished relevant in any way to the fact that a very long game was played there? It feels like trivia for the sake of trivia. I can see why the fact that a game was played at a neutral site could be deemed relevant insofar as neither team had home fan support (though in the case of the 2020 five-overtime game, there were no fans there at all), but demolished arenas just seems like excessive detail. 1995hoo (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Women's Pro Play
Given that the PWHL semifinal game 2 between Montreal and Boston is currently halfway through triple overtime, there's probably call for a women's pro section. To that end, does anyone know how to find old records for the NWHL/PHF, CWHL, and WWHL, to have history to reference? 96.30.132.164 (talk) 03:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

 * @96.30.132.164 And as I finish typing that, it ends at 51:44, 2-1 Boston. 96.30.132.164 (talk) 03:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added a section for the PWHL. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Overtime (ice hockey)