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Talk:Dardanelles

Etymology of Hellespont
Ancient Greeks suggested an mythological etymology relative with Helle )(or preciously, Hellê), sister of Phrixus.

But, I suppose that the word "Helles-pontus" is derivated by the name of Ilians (or else, the known Trojans), the people of Ilion or Troy which was a strong naval power in 2nd millennium B.C.

The word "pontus" means "sea", in ancient Greek [compare pond = small lake, in English].

So, Hellespont means "the sea of Ilians".

-IonnKorr 20:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

It could come from the word for 'Greece' which in ancient Greek was 'Hellas', therefore making the Hellespont the 'sea of Greece'

Compare etymology of Bosporus, in discussion window.

Geographical information
says

Water flows north along the strait, from the Sea of Marmara to the Aegean...

Isn't that south?

Hellespont or The Hellespont
I think the latter is more common, especially in academic circles. Should there be a section on the (non-)use of the article the? I note that this article switches from one usage to the other. Inter lingua 15:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Rairden 07:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm kinda confused over this...
"...but after the sea was punished by receiving 300 lashes and a pair of fetters thrown into it, engineers finished them"

How exactly does one "punish" the sea? I really can't even fathom what this means, but it doesn't look like a typo/grammatical error. Ghostalker

It isn't. This is an actual punishment of the sea for displeasing the Great King. Famous anecdote. User:Dimadick

?? after mention of Turkey in WW2
I'm removing the two question marks in this sentence. "Turkey declared war on Germany in February 1945(??), but it did not employ any offensive forces in that war."

It should have been citation needed if anything, not question marks. I don't see a citation as necessary, but if someone would like to add a citation of the symbolic declaration of war on February 23, 1945, it couldn't hurt either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KVND (talk • contribs) 03:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

lost?
what is the sentence "(the Entente lost the battle on March 18, 1915)" supposed to mean? It appears to be talking about Winston Churchill, but doesn't make sense.
 * I edited that sentence for clarity Plainswalker75 09:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Needs a reference to Richard Halliburton swimming across it in 1926 in imitation of Lord Byron.

The 'triple entente' was the alliance between Britain, France and Russia in WW1, it could mean that they lost they battle

shipping
Does anyone have figures regarding the minimum depth of the strait, and maximum capacity a ship may have that can safely make passage?

SI units
There is no reason to mention, historically or otherwise, the dimentions of the strait in feet. Policy states that unless there are such grounds to note it, it should be left out. I'm not going to edit it out, since I haven't had anything to do with this page up untill now, but some one should. Madskile 22:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

title
Dardanelles should redirect here and the title should be "Çanakkale Boğazı". Because strait has been called "Çanakkale Boğazı" for 700 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.174.55.57 (talk) 21:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Dardanelles and hellespont are two names for the same place. I suggested to merge them to have a continuous historic timeline in one article. Inwind (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I am not aware of any other case in Wikipedia where we have different names for the classical and modern names for a natural geographical feature. (This might be OK for a city.) PatGallacher (talk) 01:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Ditto - it makes no sense to me to have two separate articles for the same geographic feature just because there are two names for it, one current and the other historic. Diegodad (talk) 00:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought this as well, I don't know how to do it but it seems there's no one opposed since proposed in September, anyone up to edit Hellespont to redirect?KVND 02:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I oppose! All those who have studied Ancient Greek History know the channel as "Hellespont". That includes university students of history as well as countless secondary school pupils.

Why then should the article be merged under the name of Dardanelles, the site of a Word War I naval battle (Gallipoli) that happened to take place here as well?

And by no means should the article be merged with one named Çanakkale Boğazı. No one - I repeat: no one in the Western world knows enough Turkish to identify this name as being identical to Dardannelles and Hellespont. It just would not help all those looking for the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpermant (talk • contribs) 12:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Gpermant: I think you misunderstood the nature of the merge. The point is to put all the article content at the same place.  All synonyms will redirect to one article, so that those who prefer the Ancient Greek name will be able to find it just as easily.  The synonyms will all be mentioned in bold at the top of the article.  Since every other comment supported the proposal, I will go ahead and merge all additional information from Hellespont into Dardanelles.

 * By the way, Çanakkale_Boğazı was redirected to Dardanelles back in 2008.

 * --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Depth
Maximum depth is 82 m = 300 ft ?!? Maybe 91 m = 300 ft or 82 m = 269 ft. Zaldo --80.104.12.192 (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand vs. New Zealander
The article states "... a massive invasion force of British, Indian, Australian, and New Zealander troops...". I believe it should say "New Zealand".

The demonym for New Zealand (i.e. a person from New Zealand) is New Zealander (or Kiwi, informally). The attributive adjective for New Zealand (i.e. describing New Zealand; troops in this case) is New Zealand (or Kiwi, informally!). Thus "the New Zealand kiwi is a flightless bird", or "New Zealand troops".

The confusion in the article probably stems from the fact that the demonyms and attributive adjectives for most countries (including Britain, India, and Australia), are the same word, but for New Zealand they are not. Cwelgo (talk) 12:35, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * ✅ Done. I agree. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Dardanelles official name
From what I understand in the merge section above, the Dardanelles has been known under different names for centuries. What I want to know is when its modern name became officially recognized. Alphapeta (talk) 02:19, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Good question. Maybe someone at the humanities reference desk can help. If you find out, come back and add it to Dardanelles. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Confusing run-on sentence
The following sentence: Herodotus tells us that c. 482 BC Xerxes I (the son of Darius) had two bridges built across the width of the Hellespont at Abydos in order that his huge army, ostensibly made of 5 million men (most historians[who?] put the actual number of this army at closer to 250,000 men, though a second school of thought lends the accounts of Herodotus more credence, bringing the number closer to 400,000)[citation needed], could cross from Persia into Greece.

The whole part about the size of his army detracts from the flow of the text. I had to stop and re-read it to understand it. I don't want to change it myself, but may I suggest: Herodotus tells us that c. 482 BC Xerxes I (the son of Darius) had two bridges built across the width of the Hellespont at Abydos in order that his huge army could cross from Persia into Greece. Van Vidrine (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree! --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:31, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

 * A week has gone by with no objection. Made the change. Van Vidrine (talk) 16:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Dardanelles
How is it possible for "a narrow strait" to have an economy? I'm going to be WP:BOLD and remove this section:
 * I could not find anything in a Google journal search
 * The referenced document refers to a lead mine, operating in the early 1900s in Lapsaki and Kastamuni, which is in Turkey near the straights, but not the stratights themselves. I am going to remove this section. JoeSperrazza (talk) 12:56, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

University of Washington Fight Song
The University of Washington Fight Song "Bow Down to Washington" makes reference to the Dardanelles. 199.191.127.241 (talk) 08:14, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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Vehicular cycling

Vehicular cycling (also known as bicycle driving) is the practice of riding bicycles on roads in a manner that is in accordance with the principles for driving in traffic, and in a way that places responsibility for safety on the individual.

The phrase vehicular cycling was coined by John Forester in the 1970s. In his book Effective Cycling, Forester contends that "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles".

These techniques have been adopted by the League of American Bicyclists and other organizations teaching safe riding courses for cyclists. As a method for strong and confident riders to cope with fast motor traffic, many recommendations of vehicular cycling are widely applied. Vehicular cycling has at times been controversial, particularly on larger roads not designed for bikes.

Technique
A vehicular cyclist is one that travels within the roadway in accordance with the basic vehicular rules of the road that are shared by all drivers and adhering to traffic controls. Vehicular cyclists, Forester advises, should feel and act like vehicle drivers, and should smoothly and safely flow with other vehicles.

In Effective Cycling, Forester introduced what he calls "the five basic principles of cycling in traffic".
 * Ride on the road, with the direction of traffic.
 * Yield to crossing traffic at junctions with larger roads.
 * Yield to traffic in any lane you are moving to, or when you are moving laterally on the road.
 * Position yourself appropriately at junctions when turning — near the curb when turning off the road on the side you are travelling on, near the center line when turning across the other side of the road, and in the center when continuing straight on.
 * Ride in a part of the road appropriate to your speed; typically, faster traffic is near the center line.

Lane control
Lane control is the practice of controlling a lane (also known as "using the full lane" or "taking the lane") to enhance safety. Controlling the lane is asserting control of the space one needs to be much more conspicuous (as compared to riding relatively inconspicuously near the road edge) to traffic ahead as well as behind, to be further from edge hazards, to preclude another vehicle from passing dangerously close within the same lane, and encouraging drivers of overtaking vehicles to change lanes when they pass.

Lane sharing
Due to the relatively narrow nature of bicycles, road lanes are sometimes wide enough to allow them to safely share lanes side by side with motor vehicles. In lanes where this is possible, vehicular cycling suggests riding about 1 m to the outside of overtaking traffic and about the same distance from roadside hazards such as the gutter seam. Cyclists can also filter forward past stopped motor traffic. Where they exist, wide outside lanes may also be shared in order to facilitate being overtaken by faster traffic.

When riding in a lane sharing position, vehicular cycling, because it is based on following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles, specifies that cyclists must yield to overtaking traffic using the other part of the lane, or obtain right-of-way to move over through signaling/negotiation before moving laterally into that space. For example, California's CVC 22107 Rule of the Road specifies, "No person shall turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a roadway until such movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after the giving of an appropriate signal." Any cyclist who moves into lane space used by overtaking traffic without signaling and yielding until safe would be in violation of CVC 22107 in California, or in violation of similar rules of the road in other jurisdictions.

Speed and destination positioning
Vehicular cyclists use "speed positioning" between intersections. The basic principle is "slower traffic keeps to the outside; faster traffic to the inside". When lanes are marked, vehicular cyclists generally operate in the outermost travel lane. When lanes are not marked, vehicular cyclists generally operate as far to the outside of the traveled way as is reasonably efficient and safe.

As vehicular cyclists approach a junction of ways, the principle of "destination positioning" comes into play, and they should position themselves laterally according to their destination (left, straight or right):

 * Where lanes are marked, vehicular cyclists approaching a junction should choose the outermost lane that serves their destination.
 * When lanes are not marked, vehicular cyclists approaching a junction will travel along the inside of their side of the road if turning toward the inside, along the outer side if turning to the outside, and in between if going straight.

Vehicular cyclists do not avoid riding in bicycle lanes, rather they decide whether to ride in the space demarcated as a bike lane based on their own judgement about safety. They are also advised to stay outside of the door zone; when passing motor vehicles that are parked parallel to the road, no closer than the largest estimated width of an open door, plus some margin for error.

The cycling skills manual Cyclecraft, the foundation of Bikeability, the UK's national standard for cycle training, defines the terms primary riding position, where the cyclist will be more visible and predictable to motor vehicle traffic, as being in the center of the traffic lane, and secondary riding position as being 1 m to the side of moving traffic, but not closer than 0.5 m from the edge of the road. It states that it is sensible to use the primary riding position as the normal position, only using the secondary riding position when it is safe, reasonable, and necessary to allow faster traffic to pass.

On multi-lane roadways, some vehicular cyclists ride on the inside of the outermost lane (on the side furthest from the road edge in the lane nearest the road edge), for enhanced visibility to motor vehicle traffic. This position may be indicated by road markings.

Looking back
Cyclists looking back over their shoulders is an essential traffic skill, in order to

 * 1) maintain awareness of other vehicles on the road
 * 2) safely navigate and merge with other traffic
 * 3) broadcast the cyclist's desire (to move laterally or turn) to other road users so that they can better predict the cyclist's path
 * 4) see if someone who is overtaking is about to make a mistake and enter the cyclist's path

Particularly in slow traffic, a cyclist's look to the rear may serve as a signal, allowing the cyclist to keep both hands on the handlebar. However, a cyclist may also use a hand signal (arm extended to the side) to request that an overtaking driver make room. The cyclist then follows up with a second look to the rear to assure that the driver has made room.

Negotiation
Negotiation is a technique for cyclists to safely traverse one or more lanes by merging in with the flow of other traffic. The basic method is to negotiate for the use of the adjacent lane, move into that lane, and then repeat the process for any additional lanes. The cyclist moves only when there is a natural gap in motor traffic to move into, or after someone slows down explicitly to allow them to move over.

The steps of the process for each lane change are:
 * 1) Look back for traffic that may be overtaking in the target lane.
 * 2) Wait for a sufficient gap to change lanes. Ideally, make eye contact with the other driver and use a hand signal to request an approaching driver in the target lane to yield right of way by slowing down and leaving unoccupied space in the lane in front of them.
 * 3) Move into the lane and control it.

Praise
Some have claimed that transportation engineers in the US have become too focused on separating cyclists from pedestrians and motorists. According to an Institute of Transportation Engineers Journal piece by Martin Pion, the implementation of bike lanes can limit competent cyclists perceptions of where it is permitted to cycle. He also notes some sport cyclists prefer to ride in lane, compared with a parallel path, because it reduces the risk of collision with side turning motorists assuming there is not a strong separation of road users.

Criticism
The movement surrounding vehicular cycling has also been criticized for its effect on bicycle advocacy in general. In Pedaling Revolution, Jeff Mapes states that Forester "fought bike lanes, European-style cycletracks, and just about any form of traffic calming", and "saw nothing wrong with sprawl and an auto-dependent lifestyle." Zack Furness is highly critical of vehicular cyclists in One Less Car: Bicycling and the Politics of Automobility, arguing that their criticism of 'political' cyclists "totally ignores all the relevant socioeconomic, physical, material, and cultural factors that influence—and in most cases dictate—everyday transportation choices." Critical Mass co-founder Chris Carlsson describes vehicular cycling as a naïve, polarizing "ideology" that "essentially advocates bicyclists should strive to behave like cars on the streets of America." The makeup of vehicular cycling advocates as a group in the United States was criticized in the 1990s for being typically club cyclists that are well educated, upper-middle income or wealthy, suburban, and white, representing a social and economic elite that are able to dominate public discussions of cycle planning issues. Vehicular cyclists have also been disproportionately male. In the US, males make up 88% of total cyclist fatalities.

Many governmental and professional organizations emphasize differences between a person driving a car and a person riding a bicycle and consider separated bicycle facilities to be best practice for promoting safety.

Distracted driving
The rise of cell phone distracted driving has increased the chance that if a motorist is drifting into a shoulder or bike lane, it is because they are not paying attention. Accordingly, if a cyclist attempts to ride where a motorist is drifting in order to ‘reclaim their right of way’, it is likely that they will not be seen. Citing the rise in US crash fatalities, David Dudley at CityLab wrote, ”the swift erosion of America’s driving abilities is yet another reason to admit that the cause of “vehicular cycling”—the safe-biking philosophy that says bikes should ride assertively rather than cower at the side of the road—is increasingly compromised by reality.”

Segregated cycling as an alternative
Segregated cycle facilities exist in some areas, allowing cycling without sharing roads with motorized traffic. Cities that are structured that way report a high degree of bicycle usage and low injury rates, such as in the Netherlands. A 2001 study in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada concluded that cyclists found 1 minute of cycling in mixed traffic as onerous as 4.1 minutes on bike lanes or 2.8 minutes on bike paths. A study of cyclists in Washington D.C. found that cyclists were willing to spend on average 20.38 extra minutes per trip to travel on an off-street bicycle trail when the alternative was riding on a street with parked cars. Forester believes segregated cycle facilities to be more dangerous than on-road cycling due to increase risk from crossing conflicts and that, in the case of sidepaths, they can only be used safely by cycling "very slowly" Urban planning professor John Pucher writes that "Forester makes a number of theoretical arguments why bikeways are unsafe." Forester objects to rejection of his test results.

Pucher's various transnational studies of bicycle transportation lead him to conclude that "the overwhelming evidence is that cycling is much safer and more popular precisely in those countries where bikeways, bike lanes, special intersection modifications, and priority traffic signals are the key to their bicycling policies." The authors of a 2009 meta-study on cycle infrastructure safety research at the University of British Columbia similarly conclude that "in comparison to cycling on bicycle-specific infrastructure (paths, lanes, routes), on-road cycling appears to be less safe."

Forester objects to Pucher's conclusions, primarily on the grounds that Pucher ascribes the increase in use of bikes and bike safety observed to the bikeways without showing that the bikeways are the actual cause of the increased use or safety.

Jennifer Dill and Theresa Carr's research on bicycle transportation in 35 U.S. cities also suggests that "higher levels of bicycle infrastructure are positively and significantly correlated with higher rates of bicycle commuting"; and a 2010 study comparing streets in Copenhagen that had had cycle tracks and bicycle lanes added to them found that cycling volume increased 20%. However, on the cycle track streets bicycle accidents increased 10% more than would be expected from the changed bicycle and automobile traffic volumes, making the cycle tracks less safe for cyclists than the unmodified roads. Streets with bicycle lanes added saw a 5% increase in bicycle traffic but a 49% increase in bicycle accidents. Despite this, the study notes that "the gains in health from increased physical activity [from increased numbers cycling are] much, much greater than the losses in health resulting from a slight decline in road safety." Although prior studies did not differentiate between new bike riders and those that had changed routes due to the new facility, recent research has shown that the greater level of protection, the greater number of new bike riders (as opposed to riders who used the route before construction or shifted routes).

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User talk:Moogle/Elaborate on your thoughts

Welcome
Hi, Moogle. Thanks for editing. Feel free to drop by my page or User:Visorstuff's to see more about Mormonism on the Wikipedia. I have a little list of Mormon Wikipedians at my page. Though it is not complete, you are welcome to add yourself to the list. Visorstuff has been kind of a great organizer. Cogden has added a lot of great content. Cookiecaper has recently been doing good image additions and organization. Cool Hand Luke is a good seasoned user. BoNoMoJo hasn't been around a lot lately. Tom - Talk 06:52, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Mormonism to-dos
Moogle, you may have noticed as you have been dropping in on several of the Mormonism related articles that a few undesirable things have lately happened that maybe you could help us clean up. We would all sure appreciate any help you can give us as we try to keep things in order in "our" little corner of the Wikipedia. Be sure to ask questions liberally at the discussion pages behind each article. Tom - Talk 14:37, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Some of the Mormonism articles have had external links to the LDS Church pasted into them. This is a problem for two reasons: first, pasting of external links into multiple articles is considered spamming by most editors and second, we have been trying to avoid the biased representation that the LDS Church is Mormonism (though of course we say the truth that it is the overwhelmingly dominant portion of the Latter Day Saint Movement).  You might take the opportunity to help us remove all those except at the LDS Church article.
 * Over time, some of the articles begin to resemble a "Usenet forum" discussion instead of an encyclopedia article. For example Linguistics and the Book of Mormon had a section on Bible that was getting bad.  I simply commented out the section last night pending fixing because it was poorly worded and confusing.  Perhaps you have solutions for some of these areas.

Wikistats
Hi, Moogle. I changed that in the scriptsa a while ago. 'en' now points to en.wikipedia.org and Σ to www.wikipedia.org. It will take time before you see this online, as scripts need to be adapted to new database compression scheme, waiting for dumps right now. Cheers, Erik Zachte 11:03, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Mountain infoboxes
Please see Template talk:Infobox US mountain. Thanks! -- hike395 04:30, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Req for you to categorize Mormonism
I saw the Mormonims MOS article... can you assign it to an apprpriate category? It looks like quite a lot of work went into is (good job, btw), so I don't want to dump it into an inapprop. category. Does it belong in wiki space?Feco 08:01, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Question for Tom
I have been known to insert comments in the middle before, but I didn't mean to do it this time. In fact, I'm going to move it. Hope that's ok. Thanks. Tom Haws 02:44, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

LDS Poll Page and a Question
On the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement page, I've asked about the viability of creating an Alert page for vandalism, anon usage and welcoming newcomers. First of all, would such a question be more appropriate on your new poll page? Second, would such an Alert page fit into your efforts at reorganizing the LDS pages? Please look at the question just above your most recent comment. (btw - don't feel to badly about slow adaptation to your new pages. Change is always accepted slowly - especially by Mormons!)  Thanks. WBardwin 21:26, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Image tags
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TRAX
Actually, TRAX is a light rail system. Commuter rail serves a more regional area with less frequency in stops, while light rail serves a more localized area with a higher frequency of stations. TRAX has no plans to expand to Layton anytime in the future. However, a commuter rail system has just begun construction along the Wasatch Front that will run from Ogden to Salt Lake City, and does have a stop planned for Layton. The land that was sold to UTA was therefore for the commuter rail line planned, not for any future TRAX line. Hope this clears up any confusion you may have had. bob rulz 21:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Vache Hovsepyan

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I was wondering about this sentence:
 * Further on, their names were forgotten and substituted with Djivan Gasparyan's for unknown reasons.

The Passion CD booklet correctly credits both of these musicians, and this is even pointed out (immediately following the statement) in an earlier version of this article. "Forgotten and substituted?" By whom, and in what manner? The assertion is too vague and I've taken the liberty of deleting it from the article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:38, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Footman Wars

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 04:18, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Footman Wars
Unencyclopedic. Delete. NatusRoma 04:39, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm quite positive I saw this on VFD before. I just can't find the exact spelling of the deleted article. Speedy delete as recreated deletia. Alternatively you can do a normal delete, it's a custom map and not official to the game --> non-notable. Mgm|(talk) 10:43, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, it's Footmen Frenzy groundhog day. I don't know why that wasn't deleted, there was a consensus that it should have been. A speedy delete on that one and a delete for this one. Anilocra 14:25, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Unencyclopedic. --Carnildo 22:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Unencyclopedic and gibberish to boot. Leithp 15:30, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A custom map is not notable. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:33, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Carlo Giuseppe Guglielmo Botta

Carlo Giuseppe Guglielmo Botta (November 6, 1766, in San Giorgio Canavese, Piedmont – August 10, 1837, in Paris) was an Italian historian.

Biography
He was born at San Giorgio Canavese in Piedmont. He studied medicine at the University of Turin, and obtained his doctors degree when about twenty years old. Having rendered himself obnoxious to the government during the political commotions that followed the French Revolution, he was imprisoned for over a year; and upon his release in 1795 he withdrew to France, only to return to his native country as a surgeon in the French army, whose progress he followed as far as Venice. Here he joined the expedition to Corfu, from which he did not return to Italy until 1798. At first he favored French policy in Italy, contributed to the annexation of Piedmont by France in 1799, and was an admirer of Napoleon; but he afterwards changed his views, realizing the necessity for the union of all Italians and for their freedom from foreign control.

After the separation of Piedmont from France in 1814, he retired into private life, but, fearing persecution at home, became a French citizen. In 1817 he was appointed rector of the University of Rouen, but in 1822 was removed owing to clerical influence. Amid all the vicissitudes of his early manhood Botta had never allowed his pen to be long idle, and in the political quiet that followed 1816 he naturally devoted himself more exclusively to literature. Botta was elected a member of the American Philosophical Society in 1816 and a member of the American Antiquarian Society in 1821. In 1824 he published a history of Italy from 1789 to 1814 (4 vols.), on which his fame principally rests; he himself had been an eyewitness of many of the events described. His continuation of Guicciardini, which he was afterwards encouraged to undertake, is a careful and laborious work, but is not based on original authorities and is of small value.

Though living in Paris, he was in both these works the ardent exponent of that recoil against everything French which took place throughout Europe. A careful exclusion of all Gallicisms, as a reaction against the French influences of the day, is one of the marked features of his style, which is not infrequently impassioned and eloquent, though at the same time cumbrous, involved and ornate.

Death
Botta died at Paris on August 10, 1837, in comparative poverty, but in the enjoyment of an extensive and well-earned reputation.

Family
His son, Paul-Émile Botta (1802–1870), was a distinguished traveller and Assyrian archaeologist, whose excavations at Khorsabad (1843) were among the first efforts in the line of investigation afterwards pursued by Layard.

Works
The works of Carlo Botta are:
 * Storia naturale e medica deli Isola di Corfu (1798)
 * an Italian translation of Born's Joannis Physiophili specimen monachologiae (1801);
 * Souvenirs d'un voyage en Dalmatie (1802)
 * Storia della guerra dell' Independenza d'America (1809)
 * Camillo, a poem (1815)
 * Storia d'Italia dal 1789 al 1814 (1824, new ed., Prato, 1862);
 * Storia d'Italia in continuazione al Guicciardini (1832, new ed, Milan, 1878).

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Misetings
Non-notable website. I can't get an Alexa ranking for it, except "not in the top 100,000". RickK 04:41, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) Delete: It's just another forum.
 * Delete, nn forumvertisement. Alexa rank 549,864. —Korath (Talk) 09:22, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, just another website. Alexa ranking shows it's not notable. Mgm|(talk) 10:45, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've been working on this article since its inception and I'd be irritated to see it go with as little behind it as "it's missing out of the top 100,000." --Mr Bound 10:47, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Wikipedia is not a web directory. android↔talk 12:30, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy: move to User:Mr Bound/Misetings and delete the redirect. Samaritan 13:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Interesting proposition, Samaritan. What exactly would have to be done for this and where precisely can I find more information about it? Mr Bound 15:57, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
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 * Since at this point the odds of the article being kept are pretty slim, I'll put my support behind this. Mr Bound 16:30, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy. Ouch, nice article. Wikinfo might be a more receptive host.Kappa 21:44, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. MTGNews has its own page... why shouldn't this? Also, there's some history for the MTG player interested in this unique community Sidar 0:52, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Really. Non-notable, not encyclopedic.  The tone of the article is horrible, and it's boring as hell too.  Even MTG fans couldn't find this article or topic interesting. Quale 04:55, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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 * Strong Keep very notable website in the community. Grue 16:15, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Entries that need improvement should be improved, not deleted. No more an advertisement than the entries for SomethingAwful or MTGNews, even if the site is smaller. Basilisk128 22:33, 6 May 2005
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DicDef that has been Transwikied to Wiktionary and is unlikely to become an encyclopedia article. Kevin Rector (talk) 04:43, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
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Mashina

Mashina (משינה) are an Israeli pop rock band which was active from 1983 to 1995, and then again from 2003 to the present. The band is considered by many to be Israel's most important and influential rock band. Their musical style took inspiration from ska and hard rock, among others.

The band was formed in 1983 by lead vocalist Yuval Banai and guitarist Shlomi Bracha. In late 1985, the band released its first album, self-titled, in which, alongside Banai and Bracha, bassist Michael Benson and drummer Iggy Dayan participated.

After the album was released, keyboardist Avner Hodorov joined the band, and its lineup has remained unchanged since then. The band achieved great success and popularity, but in 1995 it disbanded. During its farewell performance on July 18 of that year, a tragedy occurred at the Arad Music Festival, where three teenagers waiting for the performance died due to the overcrowding at the entrance.

Until its disband in 1995, the band released seven studio albums and one compilation album. In 2003, when the band resumed its activities, it has since released two live albums and three additional studio albums.

The Band's Formation
Yuval Banai and Shlomi Bracha first met in their youth, and later sang together for five months in the rookie base of the Artillery Corps in Shavei Shomron. During their off-duty hours from the army, the two used to hang out at the "Penguin" club, and influenced by the bands that played there, they decided to form a band. Initially, Banai rejected the idea of forming a band, claiming he didn't know how to sing. However, he eventually agreed, influenced by the bands Minimal Compact and Jean Conflict of Rami Fortis. This decision was made after Bracha insisted that Fortis also didn't know how to sing, according to Banai's claim.

Later on, Banai recounted:"'I arrived there pretty dispirited, to that base, and they put me in a room and said to me, 'This is your partner, Mr. Shlomi Bracha'. And there, in Shomron, the Mashina band was formed. I spent five months there with Shlomi, who was a sergeant of operations in the artillery. I had a tape recorder and music, and he had a guitar. I liked to listen to music, and he liked to play in the room. So, one day he said to me, 'Listen, I play. You have a good voice; maybe you can sing from time to time'. And that's how we started writing songs, songs of despair such as: 'When will we be released, when will the war end...'' "At the military base, Banai and Bracha started writing the songs that later were included in the first album of the band, including "Rakevet Layla" (Night Train), "Karim Abdoul Zemer", "Atid Matok" (Sweet Future), and "Optikai Meduplam" (A Certified Optician). The band had its first performance at that base, where Banai sang and Bracha played the guitar, accompanied by a drummer and another guitarist. The name of the band, "Mashina," was chosen before the performance. When Banai and Bracha asked their friend in the base, who came from the Soviet Union, how to say "Table of Despair" in Russian, he replied with "Mashina Vremeni" (Машина Времени - "Time Machine"). Mashina Vremeni is also the name of a popular Russian rock band.

After the release of Banai and Bracha from the army in 1983, the foundation for the band began to take shape. Through friends, Banai met guitarist Oren Eliazeri and bassist Michael Benson. Benson distanced himself from the band's initial style which was somewhat alternative, but suggested Nivi Lifshitz as the drummer. The band started rehearsing with the lineup that included Banai, Bracha, Eliazeri, Lifshitz, and keyboardist Rami Haimov.

Later, Lifshitz left, and instead of her, Dudi Levin joined the band. With this lineup, the band performed several times at the "Penguin" club, and their performances were successful. In these performances, the band sang songs composed by Banai and Bracha during their military service, with most of the songs in English. The performances were characterized by punk and ska styles, influenced by the flourishing new wave bands in Tel Aviv. They integrated motifs from the new wave style with Eastern and oriental themes. Keyboardist Rami Haimov continued to play with the band for a short time and then left to study at the Juilliard School in New York.

In one of the band's performances at the "Penguin," Michael Benson watched, and afterward, he asked to join the band. At his request, drummer Igi Dayan was also added, replacing Dudi Levin. The atmosphere during the band's rehearsals at that time was quite tense, and many disputes arose between Banai and Bracha. The tensions escalated when Bnei took on the lead role in the movie "Makat Shemesh," and as a result, he was absent from rehearsals for several months. In March 1984, the band's last performance with its original lineup took place at Cinema "Dan", and upon finishing the performance, the band members announced its breakup. The breakup was part of a wave of rock band dissolutions that played in Tel Aviv clubs during that period and part of the fading rock scene.

After the breakup, the paths of the band members diverged. Banai, Eliyazri, and Dayan formed the band "Shalom Hatzibur," which played in various clubs in Tel Aviv. Their performances did not achieve great success, but Banai expressed his art in them. The band released two radio singles, both written by Banai and composed by Eliyazri: "November 1" and "Yanshuf Al Anaf Gavoha". Simultaneously, Bracha and Benson formed the band "HaChazit HaAmamit". As part of this band, Bracha created two songs that were later included in Mashina's debut album, "Aval Ein" and "Balada LeSochen Kaful", originally written in English. During the same period, Dayan and Benson participated in several additional recordings, such as in the album by Danni Bassan.

In 1985, Banai, Bracha, and Benson coincidentally met, decided to revive the band, and scheduled a performance for Purim of that year at the "Penguin" club. Eliyazri attended only this performance and subsequently left the band. Thus, the lineup for the debut album of "Mashina" was formed, consisting of Banai, Bracha, Benson, and Dayan.

Initial Success
The first two songs recorded by the band were sketches for the songs "Optikai Meduplam" and "Rakevet Layla", composed by Bracha during his military service. The song "Optikai Meduplam" was originally titled "Difficulties in Agriculture," and the band initially performed a different version of the song "Rakevet Layla" in their performances at the "Penguin" club, with a different set of lyrics. Bracha was not satisfied with the lyrics, so Banai passed the song to his brother, Ehud Banai, who rewrote the lyrics.

In their search for a record company to produce their album, the band members encountered a refusal. Ronnie Brown from the Helicon company expressed interest, but the company was then in its infancy, and without enough money to the band a worthy contract. Following this, the band members recorded the song "Optician Meduplam" professionally, at DB Studios. Based on the music on the albums of Danny Bassan, Rami Kleinstein and Rita, Michael Benson met the technician Reuven Shapira, who worked on the recordings as a technician and as a production partner. At the same time, the band recorded three more songs: "Night Train", "Because she didn't feel like it" and "Ballad for a double agent". In June 1985, the band's first radio record, "Opticai Meduplam", was released to radio stations. The song was a success, following which Udi Hennis of NMC was convinced to sign the band.

At the end of July 1985, the band's second radio record, "Because she doesn't feel like" (Hebrew: כי לא בא לה), was released. After that, the band members recorded the rest of the songs on the album, which was released in November of the same year and was called "Mashina". Close to the release of the album, the song "Night Train" was released as a single, which was a great success and is considered one of the band's biggest hits.

Most of the album's songs were written and composed by Bracha, from which "Atid Matok" and "Ballad for a double agent" were also published. Another song from the album that was a success was "Anna", written by Orly Silbersatz, who later became Yuval Banai's wife, and composed by Banai and Dayan. The musical arrangements were performed by all the members of the band together with Reuven Shapira, except for the song "The cannon rings twice", which they arranged together with Yaron Becher. The joint work of the band members in the arrangement of the songs continued in all her other albums.

The band's debut album was a great success, reaching platinum album status within six months, on August 28, 1986, for selling 50,000 copies. Later, its sales reached about 65,000 copies. Following the album, Mashina won the title of "Band of the Year" in the annual Hebrew hymn parade of Reshet Gimel for the Jewish year 5566 (1986).

In the preparations for the tour that accompanied the first album, the band members were looking for a keyboardist, and Benson recommended Avner Khodorov, whom he knew from his military service. Khodorov was in the United States at the time, and when he returned he met with Benson and Barcha for rehearsals, and was accepted into the band as a hired player for the performances.

Khodorov's addition to the band enabled the inclusion of another musical instrument in its performances, a saxophone, which he played in addition to keyboards. The first song of the band in which Khodorov participated was "She argued with him for hours", which he wrote while working on the first album. The song, which was not included on the album, was recorded in January and released as a single in April 1986. This song was also a success.

On February 28, 1986, the band started a concert tour, at the "Sapir" cinema in Kiryat Bialik. These performances were a great success, and all their tickets were sold in advance. Following their success, the band moved on to perform in larger venues as well, such as the Heichal HaTarbut in Tel Aviv, where the band performed for the first time on April 21. The tour ended the day before the end of the summer vacation, on August 31, 1986, in the Yarkon Park, with crowd of about 50,000 people, or between 200,000 and 400,000 people according to other estimates. The performance was opened by Danni Bassan, a former T-Slam member.

Deterioration
Following Khodorov's inclusion in the band during the tour, he became a constant member of the band while working on their second album. The band had no songs ready at the time, and therefore its members decided to create songs together. Accordingly, the composition credit for all the songs on Mashina's second album was given to all the band members, even though some of the songs were composed by only one band member, such as "We are two" composed by Banai or "Send Me an Angel" composed by Bracha. Due to the feeling of a complete work that cannot be disassembled, the band members decided to distribute the album without preliminary singles to the radio stations.

The second album of Mashina, "Mashina 2", was released in June 1987. The album was much less successful than its predecessor, and for the first months after its release, only about 5,000 copies were sold. In the absence of singles, the album's songs were not played on the radio stations, and only after the failure became clear did the band members decide to release songs as singles.

Out of these songs, "Send Me an Angel" and "We are two" written by Banai and "Everything is still possible" written by Banai and Benson and Sher Benson were successful. Several guest musicians participated in the album, including Yuval Mesner who played the cello in two songs and David Khodorov, Avner's father, who played the violin in the song "Everything is still possible".

A children's choir also participates in this song, in December the band participated in the Children's Song Festival number 17 with the song "Zero fell from a high tree" which won third place.

In 1987, "Mashina" won the title of "Band of the Year" in the annual song parade of Reshet Gimel for the second time in a row, but only one song from the second album, "Shlah Li Malach" ("Send Me an Angel"), made it to this parade. The performances that accompanied the album were also not successful, and only a few dozens of people attended the band's first shows at the Tzavta club.

The rest of Mashina's performances at the time were conducted only in small venues, such as schools and amusement parks. Despite the failure in the period after its release, the album continued to sell in the following years, and in 1995 its sales were estimated at 18,000 copies.

Renewed Success
In 1988, the band members decided to use an outside person to collaborate with them in working on a new show, and turned to the songwriter and music producer Yaakov Gilad.

When the idea to record a new song before the show was brought up, the band members played five songs for Gilad, including "On the Way to the Sea", "Rani in Paris" and the instrumental "The Machine's Dance". All three were written by Bracha. The goal was to record only one song, and the song chosen was "On the way to the sea".

The song was originally written for the tour of the first album of "Mashina", and with the help of Gilad he wrote it as a prelude to his familiar version. Since the band had time left to record in the studio, it was decided to also record the songs "Ranny in Paris" and "Machine Dance" at the same time.

In November 1988, the song "On the Way to the Sea" was released as a single to the radio stations. The song was a success, reaching the top of the song charts. Following the success of the song, Gilad compiled a compilation album of the band called "Ladies and Gentlemen: Mashina", which included songs from their first three albums, alongside the three new songs.

Additional songs that were added to the album are "She argued with him for hours", recorded in 1986 and it was the first album in which it was included, and a version of the children's song "Why Does the Zebra Wear Pajamas" by Ayin Hillel and Dov Seltzer, which the band recorded as part of the Children's Poets Songs Festival. Later, the songs "The Machine's Dance" and "Ranny in Paris" were also released as singles, which also reached the top of the song charts.

After the release of "Ladies and Gentlemen" the members of "Mashina" began work on their next album, "The Association for the Study of Mortality" (HaAmuta LeHeker HaTmuta). The album was mostly created by Bracha, who wrote his songs in about three months. Banai heard the sketches of the songs and suggested a number of corrections, which was expressed in a joint writing credit for Barakah and Banai on some of the songs on the album.

The album was released in August 1990, and continued the success of "Ladies and Gentlemen". It included many hits, such as "So why should I bother with politics now?", "The stars are lit on a small fire", "The association for the study of mortality", "I will wait for you in the fields" and "Car". In total, the album sold about 54,000 copies.

Fame Monsters
After the release of "The Association for the Study of Mortality" (העמותה לחקר התמותה) and in the middle of the concert tour that accompanied the album, the members of "Mashina" felt tired, and decided to temporarily stop their activities. During this period, the band members engaged in personal musical projects, something that had been prevented from them until then according to a contract.

Several other band members participated in some of the personal projects. For example, Yuval Banai produced Orli Zilbrashtz's album "Miranda's Cabaret" and composed most of his songs, and Khudorov, Dayan and Benson played on the album.

Banai also composed the song "Where are I and where are they" for his father Yossi Banai, in which the band members also participated in playing. Dayan released a solo album called "Something from you", in which Khodorov played two songs as a guest. Bracha produced the album of the band "Nosei HaMigba'at" "Who murdered Aganatha Falskog".

The work with the band "Noshai Mgavat" exposed Bracha to a new style of music, which influenced Mashina's next album, "Fame Monsters" (מפלצות התהילה). The album was quite different from the band's previous albums, and was mostly characterized by alternative rock, metal and heavy rock styles, influenced by bands such as "Pixies", "Sonic Youth" and "Public Image Ltd". For the first time in this album Banai wrote most of the songs, and also composed some of them.

The album "Fame Monsters" was released in April 1992 on the label founded by the band members, "Zebra Records", named after the song "Why does the zebra wear pajamas". The songs "You come to visit", "Eize Ish", "The Mermaid", "It all started in Nasser" and "There is no other place" were released as singles, but were not successful on the radio stations. Nevertheless, the album sold about 15,000 copies in the first months after its release, and after about ten years it reached the status of a gold album.

The concert tour that accompanied the "Fame Monsters" began in June 1992, with two shows in Shefayim that were not successful. Following their failure, the band moved to perform in smaller venues, but even these performances did not last long. At that time, following the failure of the singles from the album on the radio stations, the band released a new single, "I love you Michelle", which was presented as a song from a fictitious movie called "Give me the white in the back". This song was also not successful.

Emotional Peak
The next project of Mashina was the album Si HaReg'esh (Hebrew: שיא הרגש) which is translated as "emotional peak". After Banai and Bracha had created several songs for the album, they came up with the idea of creating a rock opera with a narrative story. Thus, through the story, the band members could justify their return to the styles of rock and roll and rhythm and blues.

Banai and Baraka created a story about a planet controlled by a tyrant named "Levi Metal", who ruled through a public address system produced by a drug called "Metal Noise". "Levi Metal" fought a guy named "Pahei Show", who played blues songs and thus would eliminate the "metal noise". This is how loud songs were created for the album, which characterized "Levi Metal", alongside quieter songs, which characterized "Pahei Show".

Eventually, the rock opera idea was shelved, and the album mostly contains quiet songs. The people of the NMC company had second thoughts about the sketches that the band recorded for the rock opera, so the album was released by Hed Artzi.

In April 1993, the first single for the album was released, "Touched the Sky" (Hebrew: נגעה בשמיים) written and composed by Banai, which became one of the biggest hits of the album. In July 1993 the full album was released. Most of its songs were written and composed by Bracha, with the exceptions being two songs written and composed by Banai, "Touched the Sky" and "Mrs. Sarah the Neighbor", which was also a success. Among the songs Bracha wrote, "Danny" and "Pahei Show" were successful. The album reached gold album status in about two weeks, and later reached platinum album status.

"Goodbye Youth, Hello Love" and the disbandment of the band
In January 1994 the members of Mashina started working on their next album. This album was produced by the band members alone, with Benson serving as the album's producer and Khudorov as the recording technician. The band had enough material for two whole albums, one written entirely by Banai and one written entirely by Bracha, and there was a debate as to which of the songs to record.

When Bracha and Dayan were absent from the band's rehearsals for about two weeks due to illness, Banai, Benson and Khodorov began working on the songs Banai had written. This is how the foundation was created for the band's last album before its disbandment, "Goodbye Youth Hello Love" (Hebrew: להתראות נעורים שלום אהבה), and all of its songs were written and composed by Banai.

Aftermath
After the army service the two split up; Banai formed the band "Shlom Ha-Tzibur" ("Public Safety"), while Bracha teamed up with bassist Michael Benson to form the band "HaChazit Ha'amamit" ("The Popular Front"). In 1984 they decided to combine to form a new band, which they called Mashina, bringing in drummer Iggy Dayan; in 1985, they released their self-titled debut, which quickly became a hit on the Israeli charts. Later, Avner Hodorov joined the band on keyboard and saxophone. They gained widespread popularity in Israel during the late 1980s and early 1990s.

In May 1995, the band announced their retirement and put together four heavily publicized farewell shows. What would have been their fourth and final performance, in Arad, Israel, ended when three of the spectators were crushed to death by the crowd before the band went onstage. The band played another farewell concert several months later at Yarkon Park, which they dedicated to those three fans.

After Mashina broke up, Banai released 3 solo albums: "Yuval Banai" (1997), "Rashi Dub" (1999) (produced by bass player Yossi Fine) and "Nish'ar BaMakom" ("Staying in Place") (2001). Bracha released a solo album, and Benson co-founded the electronic-rock group Atmosfire, which came out with one album.

The band re-formed in 2003 and began touring and releasing albums again. On October 8, 2006, the band performed at the opening ceremony of the 27th Acco Festival of Alternative Israeli Theatre.

Mashina has gone on several North American tours, playing in cities including Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Toronto, Washington and Los Angeles.

Banai and Bracha served as co-mentors on season 2 of The Voice Israel, in 2012–2013.

Musical styles
The musical growth of Mashina can be mapped to different influences across their albums. Their early sound was obviously imitative of ska bands like Madness; they didn't bother to hide the influence, titling what became one of their earliest hit songs "Rakevet Laila Le-Kahir" ("Night Train to Cairo"), a homage to Madness' "Night Boat to Cairo", or "Geveret Sarah Hashchena" ("Miss Sarah, the Neighbour") that copied the theme, music and opening lyrics of Bob Dylan's "The Hurricane". Their subsequent albums combined reggae, punk rock and Middle Eastern elements. "Ha'Amuta Le-Heker Hatmuta" ("The Society for the Study of Mortality") has sounds influenced by the Cure, Miflatzot Ha-Tehila ("The Monsters of Fame") has sounds influenced by the Pixies and grunge, Si Ha-Regesh ("Peak of Excitement") has the blues influence of Pink Floyd, and Lehitra'ot Ne'urim Shalom Ahava ("Goodbye Youth, Hello Love") presents the anthemic quality of U2 and Simple Minds.

Band members

 * Yuval Banai - vocals, acoustic guitar
 * Shlomi Bracha - electric guitar
 * Iggy Dayan - drums
 * Avner Hodorov - keyboard, saxophone, accordion
 * Michael Benson - bass guitar, vocals
 * Supporting members:
 * Ilan Gozal - Management
 * Yossi Lugassi - sound
 * Izhar Rhozental - light
 * Ilan Lamdan - sound monitor
 * Amalia Banai - video editor
 * Ofir Sonnenschein - back stage

Compilations

 * Total sales: 420,000+

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Botta

Botta is a surname and people with this surname can be found in Brazil and in the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Notable people with the surname include:

 * Antonio Botta (1896–1969), Argentine-Brazilian dramatist and screenwriter
 * Antoniotto Botta Adorno (1688-1774), Italian-born diplomat in the service of Austria;
 * Alejandro Meloño Botta (born 1977), football player from Uruguay;
 * Anne C. Lynch Botta (1815–1891), American poet and teacher;
 * Bergonzio Botta (c.1454–1504), Italian politician who played a formative role in ballet;
 * Carlo Giuseppe Guglielmo Botta (1766–1837), Italian historian;
 * Dan Botta (1907–1958), Romanian poet, essayist, and far right activist;
 * Emil Botta (1911–1977), Romanian poet, essayist and actor;
 * Luca Botta (1882–1917), Italian opera singer;
 * Mario Botta (born 1943), Swiss architect;
 * Miguel Ángel Botta (1941–2019), Argentine boxer;
 * Rubén Botta (born 1990), Argentine footballer;
 * Paul-Émile Botta or Paolo Emiliano Botta (1802–1870), Italian-French archaeologist and naturalist;
 * Renee Botta, Chair of the Department of Media, Film & Journalism Studies at the University of Denver;
 * Santiago García Botta (born 1992), Argentine rugby union player;
 * Stefano Botta (born 1986), Italian football midfielder;
 * Vincenzo Botta (1818-1894), Italian-born politician and professor of philosophy.

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Wally Backman

Walter Wayne Backman (born September 22, 1959) is an American former Major League Baseball second baseman. He is best known for his time with the New York Mets from – and was a member of their 1986 World Series-winning team. He was also the former manager for the Las Vegas 51s, the Mets' Triple-A team, from 2013 to 2016. He served as the bench coach for the Pericos de Puebla of the Mexican Baseball League in 2017. Backman was the manager of the Long Island Ducks of the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball, until October 2, 2023, when it was announced that the Ducks and Backman have parted ways.

Early years (1980-1985)
Backman was the Mets' first round pick in the 1977 Major League Baseball draft (sixteenth overall). He was assigned to the New York–Penn League's Little Falls Mets upon signing, and batted .325 with six home runs in his first professional season. After batting .293 for the Triple-A Tidewater Tides in 1980, Backman received a September call up to the Mets. Making his major league debut starting at second base against the Los Angeles Dodgers at Dodger Stadium on September 2, Backman got a single in his first at-bat, driving in Claudell Washington for his first major league run batted in.

After battling for three seasons to earn a starting job, Backman emerged as the Mets' starting second baseman in 1984. He batted .280, and finished second on the club to Mookie Wilson (46) with 32 stolen bases.

1986
Prior to the start of the 1986 season, general manager Frank Cashen brought in Tim Teufel, a right-handed hitting infielder from the Minnesota Twins for Billy Beane, Joe Klink and Bill Latham. He and Backman formed a platoon at second base, and along with Wilson and Lenny Dykstra, provided a "spark" at the top of the Mets' line up, and set the table for the heavy hitters who batted behind them.

For his own part, Backman scored 67 runs, stole 13 bases and batted over .300 (.320) for the first time in his career for the team that won 108 games and took the National League East by 21.5 games. He batted .333 in the World Series against the Boston Red Sox and led off for the Mets in the famous tenth inning of Game 6 with a fly out to Jim Rice. The Mets defeated the Red Sox four games to three in the World Series.

1987
For the 1987 season, Backman batted .250 with 11 stolen bases in 90 games. The Mets finished the season with a 92-70 record, but failed to make the playoffs.

1988
Backman and Teufel were still platooning at second base in 1988 when the Mets won their division for the second time during Backman's tenure with the team. Backman batted .303 for the division winners, and the Mets won 100 games that season, taking the NL East by fifteen games over the Pittsburgh Pirates. However, the heavily favored Mets lost to the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 1988 National League Championship Series. Backman played respectably in the division series (.273 avg., 2 runs, 2 RBIs).

Following the season, the Mets sent him and Mike Santiago to the Minnesota Twins for Jeff Bumgarner, Steve Gasser and Toby Nivens.

Pittsburgh Pirates
Backman under-performed with the Twins, batting only .231 with one home run and 33 runs scored while driving in only 26 in 1989. After only one season in Minnesota, Backman signed as a free agent with the Mets' division rivals, the Pittsburgh Pirates. With slick fielder José Lind already at second base for the Pirates, Backman received most of his playing time backing up Jeff King at third.

The Pirates opened the 1990 season against the Mets at Shea Stadium. In front of his former home crowd, Backman went two for five with a single and triple and scored two runs in the Pirates' 12–3 victory over the Mets. Against the San Diego Padres on April 27, Backman accomplished the rare feat of six hits in a nine inning game. For the season, Backman batted .292 and scored 62 runs for a Pirates team that went 95–67, and took the division by four games over the Mets.

Later career
Backman spent 1991 and 1992 with the Philadelphia Phillies. He signed with the 1992 National League champion Atlanta Braves, for 1993, but failed to make the team out of spring training. He joined the Seattle Mariners, but was released 38 games into the season with a .138 batting average with only two runs scored in 31 plate appearances.

Career summary
Over the course of a major league career that spanned from 1980 to 1993, Backman batted .275 in 1102 games with 10 home runs and 275 stolen bases. Backman had a career .980 fielding percentage at second base.

Coaching career
After retiring as a player, Backman was inducted into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame in 2002. In 1998, Backman managed the Bend Bandits of Bend, Oregon during their final season of operations in the Western Baseball League. They finished second in the North Division at 43–46. Backman led the 2002 Birmingham Barons (a Chicago White Sox double-A Southern League affiliate) to a 79–61 record. In 2004, he led the Lancaster JetHawks, the Arizona Diamondbacks' High-A team, to an 86–54 record and was named Sporting News "Minor League Manager of the Year".

On November 1, 2004, Backman was promoted to manager of the Arizona Diamondbacks' major league squad. However, in its story about Backman's hire, The New York Times reported that Backman had serious legal and financial problems. He had been arrested in 1999 for DUI in Kennewick, Washington as documented on HBO Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel. A year later, he was arrested in connection with an altercation in his home in Prineville, Oregon. In addition, Backman had declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The Diamondbacks initially stood by him, but fired him on November 5, just four days after his hiring. Managing partner Ken Kendrick admitted that the Diamondbacks had not fully vetted Backman before hiring him. He added that Backman had misled team officials about his past.

Backman began his managerial comeback with the South Georgia Peanuts of the independent South Coast League. His return to managing was documented by the TV series Playing for Peanuts. The Peanuts won their league with a 59–28 record and went on to win the league championship that season.

In December 2007, Backman became manager of the Joliet JackHammers. With the team in sixth place in the Northern League with a 24–42 record, he was fired on July 30, 2009. In October 2009, Backman's name circulated as a likely candidate for the Mets' double A managerial job with the Binghamton Mets; however, the Mets decided instead to promote Tim Teufel from the St. Lucie Mets, and Backman was given the St. Lucie job. Two weeks later, the Mets changed their minds, and Backman was handed the reins to the Brooklyn Cyclones instead. Backman went on to lead the Cyclones to a league-best 51–24 record, winning the McNamara Division of the New York–Penn League by 12 games. The Cyclones were ultimately swept by the Tri-City ValleyCats in the league championship series.

Backman was a candidate to replace Jerry Manuel as the New York Mets' major league manager in 2011. However, the position went to Terry Collins. Backman was subsequently named manager of the Mets' double-A affiliate, the Binghamton Mets. In Backman's first season in Binghamton, the club had a 65–76 record. Backman remained highly regarded in the Mets organization and was promoted to manage their Triple-A affiliate, the Buffalo Bisons for the 2012 season.

In 2013, Backman managed the Mets' new Triple-A affiliate, the Las Vegas 51s, leading the team to an 81–63 record and winning the Pacific Coast League's Pacific South Division title. Las Vegas lost to Salt Lake in the conference championship series. Backman returned to the 51s for the 2014 season, and the team once again advanced to the playoffs. On August 29, 2014, Backman was named the PCL Manager of the Year. Backman resigned from the Las Vegas 51s on September 12, 2016. However, in later interviews, Backman claimed that he was forced out as manager. After spending the winter getting turned down by many other clubs, Backman became convinced that Mets GM Sandy Alderson had "blackballed" him, and said a friend had tipped him off that Alderson was working against him. Alderson declined to respond to Backman's allegation; however, a member of the Mets organization denied that Alderson had sabotaged Backman's job opportunities.

In 2017, Backman signed on as manager of the Acereros de Monclova of the Mexican League. On May 19, 2017, 42 games into the season, Backman was fired. Shortly thereafter, Backman was hired as the bench coach for the Pericos de Puebla.

Backman was named manager of the New Britain Bees of the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball for the 2018 season on November 17, 2017. On November 28, 2018, Backman was announced as the new manager of the Atlantic League's Long Island Ducks for the 2019 season. He mutually agreed with the Ducks to part ways at the completion of the 2023 season.

Backman has been described as a players' manager. He is noted for his "old school" style, as well as for his frequent use of practical jokes when delivering news of a promotion to the major leagues.

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Dayna Manning

Dayna Manning (born April 27, 1978, in Stratford, Ontario) is a Canadian folk and pop singer-songwriter, as well as a producer and sound engineer. As a teenager she released her first album, Volume 1, on EMI and Nettwerk, with featured musicians including Sean Lennon and Melanie Doane. A single from the album reached No. 15 on the MuchMusic top hits chart in Canada, and she was nominated for the 1998 Juno Award for Best New Artist.

She performed at the first Lilith Fair, and her second album, Shades, was released in 2002 to positive reviews. After releasing her third album Folkyo, Manning joined the folk trio Trent Severn in 2011, along with Emm Gryner and Laura Bates, who was later replaced by Lindsay Schindler. In 2012 they released their debut, Trent Severn, and the band was nominated for two 2013 Canadian Folk Music Awards''. Trent Severn has released two follow up albums, Trillum (2015) and Portage'' (2017), both produced and engineered by Manning. Trillium made the Longer List for the 2016 Polaris Music Prize .

Early life
Dayna Manning was born in Stratford, Ontario, Canada on April 27, 1978, to David Manning, a music teacher, and Darlene Manning. One night while babysitting, Manning found a guitar in the house and used it to write her first song, "Walk On The Moon." Years later the track was included on her debut album. According to Manning, "I always did [songwriting] completely on my own. It is very personal to me." While she has learned to play a number of instruments, early on Manning primarily focused on vocals and guitar, with her guitar of choice a handmade McConville Acoustic.

Before releasing a record and while still a teenager, Manning opened for Burton Cummings's "Up Close and Alone" tour in Canada, and she has stated that Cummings was a significant influence on how she handled herself in the industry. Set to self-produce her first album at the age of 16, she was discovered by Honeymoon Suite keyboardist Ray Coburn at a showcase at Lee's Palace in Toronto; after two live performances for EMI executives, the label signed Manning to a record deal.

Volume 1 (1997)
Volume 1, her debut album, was released on April 15, 1997, by EMI Music Canada and on August 26, 1997Nettwerk in the United States. Manning and Ray Coburn produced and performed; other featured musicians included Melanie Doane, Harry Hess, Sean Lennon, and Manning's parents, Darlene and David Manning, on clarinet and trumpet respectively. Stephen Drake, of Canadian rock band Odds, mixed the album.

Her first single and video, "Half the Man," was downcast, mournful and heavily folk-inflected; nonetheless it became a strong hit on Canadian radio and MuchMusic, and the uptempo follow-up track, "My Addiction" was also successful, peaking at No. 14 on MuchMusic. She was nominated for the 1998 Juno Award for Best New Artist.

After her first release she toured Canada and North America for two years, performing on the first and second season of Lilith Fair and with Lisa Loeb, Spirit of the West, 54-40, Joe Cocker, and opening for Radiohead.

Shades (2002)
Shades, her second album with EMI, was released in late 2002. It was recorded in Los Angeles at Cello Studios with Red Hot Chili Peppers engineer Jim Scott, and with additional production by Dave Hodge. Some of the musicians who played on the album included Chad Smith of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, session musician Bob Glaub, Neal Casal, John Ginty, Don Heffington, and Greg Leisz.

The album was criticized in some reviews for a production-heavy sound that took away from Manning's own voice and potential. Other reviews were more favorable, praising the album's aural ambience and Manning's talent for introspective lyrics. The song "Miracle" was released as a single and video.

Compilations
Manning's tracks have been included on a number of compilations. Her live track "I Want," recorded at the original Lilith Fair in Vancouver in 1997, was included on two Lilith Fair compilations, one in 1998 and one in 2000. She contributed "I Know How The Moon Must Feel" to the 2000 soundtrack for the film Thomas and the Magic Railroad. She is expected to perform a new version of the song for Rainbow Sun Productions' video presentation commemorating the film's 20th anniversary, which will premiere on YouTube on July 19, 2020. Her 2002 single "Miracle" was included on the WEA International compilation Women & Songs 6, which also included tracks by artists such as Vanessa Carlton, Madonna, and Sheryl Crow. The compilation, released in December 2002, became the best-selling album in the Women & Songs franchise, and reached No. 7 on the Top Canadian Albums chart. A year later her version of "Silent Night," performed by Damhnait Doyle, was released on Women & Songs Christmas.

Folkyo (2006)
After eight years Manning parted ways with EMI. Her third album, Folkyo, was released on December 19, 2006, and saw Manning write, co-produce, engineer and perform. She released the album on her own label, LeParc Records, and even raised funds to finish production by working at a construction camp in Northern British Columbia for the Winter of 2006. Collaborators included Ian Brown from Matthew Good Band and Christian Thor-Valdson from Copyright. Folkyo received positive reviews, praising the album's musical intricacy and Manning's voice and writing, as well as its complex tones and clever lyrics.

According to a Toronto Quarterly article in 2012, "[Manning's] songwriting is sincere and superbly crafted, her finger-picking skills are unmatched and her voice is truly unmistakable with a timbre that reminds one of Roy Forbes, Joni Mitchell and Dolly Parton all at once."

Trent Severn
In 2011 Canadian singer-songwriter Emm Gryner approached Manning about forming a folk band, and Manning's childhood friend and violinist Laura C. Bates joined soon thereafter. They named the trio Trent Severn, after Trent-Severn Waterway in Southern Ontario. All three women contribute to the songwriting and the vocals, while Manning plays banjo or guitar, and frequently reference Canadian culture and landscapes in their music. They sold out a number of their early shows, also playing on CBC Radio's Q.

They released their self-titled debut album on November 6, 2012. Manning wrote four of the songs on the album: "Road Less Traveled," "Freedom," "Mulroney Times," and "Truscott." The album received heavy airplay on CBC Radio, and reviews were generally positive. Post City praised the balanced feel between tracks, stating "For the most part, the album [has a] laid-back, twangy trend, punctuated by a couple of fast-paced and upbeat numbers here and there. The result is a warmly nostalgic record padded with darkly pensive instrumentation."

The band was nominated for two 2013 Canadian Folk Music Awards. Manning tours frequently with Trent Severn and plays both large and small events, many informal and outdoors. In 2013 Manning arranged an original folk version of "O Canada" with three part vocal harmony, which she performed with Trent Severn at the flag raising ceremony on Parliament Hill, Ottawa on July 1, 2013.

On March 15, 2013, they became the first band to receive a phone call to a concert from space, when they played a live song for Commander Chris Hadfield while he was on the international space station. On Canada Day of that year the band was part of Hadfield's first performance back on earth, of "Space Oddity" by David Bowie.

Compilations

 * 1998: Lilith Fair: A Celebration Of Women In Music – track "I Want" live from 1997
 * 2000: Best of Lilith Fair 1997 To 1999 – track "I Want" live from 1997
 * 2000: Thomas & the Magic Railroad: Soundtrack – track "I Know How The Moon Must Feel"
 * 2000: Echoes of the Seventies (Reflections) – tracks "Lonely People," "Time In A Bottle," "Sugar Mountain"
 * 2002: Women & Songs 6 WEA International) – track "Miracle"
 * 2003: Women & Songs Christmas (WEA International) – track "Silent Night" with Damhnait Doyle
 * 2005: Christmas Songs (Nettwerk) – track "It’s In Every One of Us"

Awards and nominations
Juno Award - Best New Solo Artist Nomination 1998 for album "Volume 1"

Canadian Folk Music Awards - Producer of the Year Nomination 2021 "Morning Light"

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was no consensus. — Xezbeth 18:46, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

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DicDef that has been Transwikied to Wiktionary and is unlikely to become an encyclopedia article. Not to mention I'm not even sure it's true. Kevin Rector (talk) 04:48, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, dictionary definition. Megan1967 08:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep classes of object are encyclopedic. Could be expanded to explain the construction and usage of dwangs. Kappa 10:56, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Construction of dwangs: "Put a piece of wood between a stud and you have a dwang." Usage of dwangs: "Dwangs are used to stiffen studs." That's not encyclopedic. Kevin Rector (talk) 13:49, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Could be notable to somone seeking a stiffer stud. Klonimus 06:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, the article is growing. ping 08:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to stud then. Radiant_* 08:45, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Still a dicdef. Delete or merge and redirect to stud.  Rossami (talk) 23:41, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Don't twang your dwang! Nestea 00:54, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Poor Old Lu

Poor Old Lu was a pioneering Christian alternative rock band based in the American Northwest. The band experimented with a variety of sounds and genres, particularly grunge, funk and psychedelic rock. The band consisted of Scott Hunter (vocals), Jesse Sprinkle (drums), Aaron Sprinkle (guitar), and Nick Barber (bass). Hunter was the lyricist who wrote on philosophical, metaphorical, and spiritually oriented topics. Common themes in the lyrics include introspective struggles with identity and spirituality, struggles with a superficial, secular, and modern society, and hope for life abundant. The Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music calls the band "One of the most accomplished and creative Christian bands of the '90s".

The name refers to The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, in which Lucy ('Lu'), returns from Narnia and tells her brother, Peter. Peter doesn't believe her story, however, and responds patronizingly, "Poor old Lu, hiding and nobody noticed."

History
The band began as "BellBangVilla", recording an album, 'In Love with the Greenery,' in 1990. The band changed its name to Poor Old Lu and recorded a three-song demo tape in 1991. In 1992, they recorded their first full-length album, Star-Studded-Super-Step, reworking some of the songs from 'In Love with the Greenery' for the album. Originally released on cassette, the album was re-released on CD by Alarma Records in 1995.

In 1993, they released Mindsize, produced by Terry Taylor and Derri Daugherty. It turned out to be their breakthrough. The following summer, the band recruited engineer/producer John Goodmanson, and Sin was recorded and released in 1994. In 1995, they released Straight Six, an EP which featured Jeremy Enigk of Sunny Day Real Estate on one track. In 1996 they released A Picture of the Eighth Wonder.

In late 1996, the band broke up, playing their farewell concert in Seattle, Washington in November 1996. The concert was recorded and released in 1998 as In Their Final Performance.

In 2002, the band reunited and recorded The Waiting Room for Tooth and Nail Records. In support of this release, the band reunited for a number of shows in 2002, playing at select venues in Seattle as well as a few select Christian music festivals that included Cornerstone, TomFest and Purple Door.

After Poor Old Lu
After the group's initial break-up, band members moved on to independent projects. In 1997, Nick Barber joined with Aaron Sprinkle in the group Rose Blossom Punch. Nick Barber played in the bands Meekin Pop and Blue Collar Love. By the time Rose Blossom Punch split up, Aaron Sprinkle had started a solo career,. He has released seven albums since 1999. In 2005, Aaron Sprinkle formed the band Fair with Joey Sanchez, Nick Barber and Erik Newbill.

Jesse Sprinkle moved to New York. He ran the recording studio the Illuminata in Dansville, New York until early 2006, when the studio closed. He opened a new studio, Bluebrick Recordings, in 2007. He has played drums in a number of bands, including Morella's Forest, Demon Hunter and Dead Poetic. He has also recorded a number of solo albums.

In 2006, Hunter started a new band, This Diminishing West, which broke up after releasing an EP online.

Post-2002 reunions
Poor Old Lu reunited in 2011 for an acoustic house show.

In 2013, the group gathered to record one song, "The Great Unwound". It was written and released in support of "Paradise Uganda", a ministry of Jesse Sprinkle. No statements about future releases were made.

In 2014, the group recorded a Christmas song with Vekora; it is entitled "The Brightest Star".

Members

 * Scott Hunter – lead vocals, lyrics
 * Jesse Sprinkle – drums, percussion, vocals
 * Aaron Sprinkle – guitar, keyboards, vocals
 * Nick Barber – bass guitar, vocals

Discography

 * In Love with the Greenery [as BellBangVilla] (1990) cassette only
 * Three Song Demo (1991) cassette only
 * Star-Studded-Super-Step (1992) cassette only
 * Mindsize (1993, Alarma Records, Review: Jesus Freak Hideout )
 * Split 7-inch with Mortal (1993, Intense Records)
 * Sin (1994, Alarma Records, Reviews: Jesus Freak Hideout, Cross Rhythms )
 * Sin LP w/ bonus track (1994, Alarma Records)
 * Straight Six (1995, Alarma Records, Review: Cross Rhythms )
 * Star-Studded-Super-Step (1995, independent, Reviews: The Phantom Tollbooth )
 * Sit and Stare VHS (1995, Alarma Records)
 * A Picture of the Eighth Wonder (1996, Alarma Records, Reviews: Jesus Freak Hideout, Cross Rhythms )
 * In Their Final Performance (1998, KMG Records, Reviews: HM Magazine )
 * Chrono [1993-1998] (1998, KMG Records, Reviews: The Phantom Tollbooth, HM Magazine )
 * Star-Studded-Super-Step CD re-release (1998, KMG Records)
 * Mindsize/Sin [minus "Peapod", "Sickly", and "Come to Me"] ( 2000, KMG Records - "Classic Archives")
 * Poor Old Lu & Serene (promo 2002, Tooth and Nail Records)
 * The Waiting Room (2002, Tooth and Nail Records)
 * "The Great Unwound" (song, 2013)

Compilation appearances

 * Browbeat: Unplugged Alternative – "Drenched Decent" (1995, Alarma Records)
 * CHR Sampler 95 - Spring Tunes – "Ring True" (promo 1995, Frontline Records)
 * Persuading You Near – "Thoughtless (Concept Version)" (1996, Working Man Records)
 * Noises from the Top of the Alarma Hotel – "Receive", "Chance for the Chancers" (promo 1996, Alarma Records)
 * Sparkler Vol. 1 – "It's Simple to Me" (1997, Spark Recordings)
 * Happy Christmas Vol. 3 – "What Child Is This?" (2001, BEC Recordings)
 * Here & Now – "Revolve" (2003, BEC Recordings)

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