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Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles

Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles is an American animated television series based on the 1959 novel Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein and the 1997 Starship Troopers movie adaptation. The film's director, Paul Verhoeven, served as executive producer. It follows the exploits of the Mobile Infantry squad, "Razak's Roughnecks," during the SICON–Bugs War between a newly united humanity and an extraterrestrial race, known as the "Bugs," also sometimes referred to as Arachnids. The show focuses mainly on the Roughnecks' missions, rather than addressing the larger war.

The series aired for one season in the syndicated Bohbot Kids Network block beginning in August 1999 in the United States and Canada. It was later picked up by the Sci-Fi Channel in the U.S. (along with the rest of the BKN block) and Teletoon in Canada. The entire series was available on Crackle in the U.S. included several Minisodes.

The show combines elements of Verhoeven's film and the original novel, such as the extraterrestrial race known as the Skinnies, powered armor suits and drop pods. The series also adds some original elements (e.g., the war starts on Pluto), while omitting the political aspects of the original work and film.

Plot
When the Mobile Infantry defeats an infestation on Pluto, the world is united as the Strategically Integrated Coalition of Nations (SICON) declares war on the insectoids.

The main story focuses on a group of troopers known as Alpha Team – otherwise known as Razak's Roughnecks – who are headed back to Pluto after Operation Pest Control.

After destroying Bug City on Pluto, SICON sights a giant Transport Bug. This reveals that the Bugs are not native to Pluto. They track it to the planet Hydora, which orbits a star in the Constellation Virgo and encounter a Brain Bug, an intelligent Bug that controls the other castes so they won't go insane and destroy each other. The Bugs are planning to take control of the entire universe and won't stop until the human race is extinct.

SICON attempts to set up a base on the planet Tophet, inhabited by a species nicknamed Skinnies. The Skinnies, however, have been enslaved by the Bugs to mine Xylon, a precious mineral used for Transport Bugs. The Mobile Infantry are able to destroy the Control Bugs overseeing the Skinnies and free Tophet, but the victory costs them their comrade Carl Jenkins, who has been put into a state of mental trauma. The Skinnies soon enlist in SICON to fight the Bugs, mainly due to their lack of interstellar travel technology.

SICON soon discovers the existence of the Bug homeworld Klendathu. They attempt to destroy the Bug Queen but she escapes, headed for Earth. Her Transport Bug is destroyed before she reaches the human homeworld, but she nevertheless makes it to Earth. With numerous battles on the home front and the arrival of Bug reinforcements, the battle had only just begun.

Campaigns
The series is divided into eight story arcs or "campaigns," with five episodes each. Each campaign takes place at a different location. In the DVD release, each campaign is on a single disk.
 * 1) The Pluto Campaign (5 episodes) Takes place on Pluto.
 * 2) The Hydora Campaign (5 episodes) Takes place on Hydora, which is almost entirely covered by water.
 * 3) The Tophet Campaign (5 episodes) Takes place on Tophet, a desert planet which is home to the Skinnies.
 * 4) The Tesca Campaign (5 episodes) Takes place on the jungle moon of Tesca Nemerosa.
 * 5) The Zephyr Campaign (5 episodes) Takes place on a frozen asteroid.
 * 6) The Klendathu Campaign (5 episodes) Takes place on the Bugs' home world Klendathu.
 * 7) Trackers (5 episodes) 1st takes place on the journey from Klendathu to Earth. The others are recaps. 4th has Rico floating through space. 5th investigates Razak.
 * 8) The Homefront Campaign (5 episodes; 4 others planned but never completed) Takes place on Earth.

Production
The show was produced by Columbia TriStar Television and Sony Pictures for daily television syndication and ended its run of a single season with a cliffhanger instead of a proper series finale.

Though originally planned for 2-D animation, Sony contracted Foundation Imaging to produce the episodes with 3-D computer animation. Since Foundation was unable to keep up with the production schedule, Flat Earth Productions were involved with creating episodes 12 and 13, Hyper Image with 20 to 22, and Rainbow Studios with 23 to 25.

The series was to end with a titanic battle (on a larger scale than any previous episode) against the Bug forces on Earth, but production halted before this story arc was fully developed. Of the 40 episodes originally scheduled, only 36 were completed due to the production problems. Each week was to be a separate campaign with five daily episodes.

In the Homefront Campaign only five episodes were completed, with the last three episodes ("Gates of Hell," "Circle of the Damned" and "Final Inferno") left incomplete, along with "Homefront," a key episode in the campaign. "Homefront" was to show the destruction of Buenos Aires, referenced in later episodes. Summaries of two of these episodes are available at the TrooperPX website.

The missing episodes had their dialogue recorded, according to the Station Eight website, and some of their animation completed. This existing material was not included in the series' DVD release. Some of that material leaked online. A version of the lost episodes was performed once in 2000 in Orlando as an audio play at the annual Gathering of the Gargoyles fan convention, according to the story editor of the final arc.

In order to fulfill Sony's 40-episode order, four clip shows were produced, reusing footage from previous episodes along with snippets of new material. "Pluto and Beyond" and "Propaganda Machine" can be thought of as coming near the beginning of the Tophet Campaign. These summarize the events of that the preceding Pluto Campaign and a few Tophet events, without adding new material. In "Marooned," one of the main characters becomes lost alone in space and has flashbacks about events from the Pluto through Zephyr Campaigns (in no particular order); it appears intended to take place in the midst of the Klendathu Campaign. "Court-Martial of Lt. Razak" also takes place during the Klendathu Campaign (specifically, day 165), with various characters giving testimony (shown as previous-episode flashbacks from the entire series); of the four clip shows, it is the only one to introduce significant plot points. All four have been released on DVD.

Problems
Fan sites bemoaned production and distribution problems that prevented the series from finding an audience before it was canceled. Among the issues cited by Glen Oliver of Ain't It Cool News are:

 * The series was sold to syndication to air five episodes per week before there were enough episodes to accommodate this schedule. This resulted in a few episodes being repeatedly rerun, alienating viewers.
 * Individual stations syndicating the show aired new episodes as they were completed, interrupting presently airing story arcs.
 * The series was sold to SyFy without proper authorization. This soured relations between Sony and SyFy to the point that the cable channel lost the rights to air the show.
 * One of the two effects companies working on the show was fired after a few episodes, ruining an already overly ambitious production schedule.
 * "Flashback" or "clip show" episodes were added to fill gaps created by the inability to meet the production schedule.
 * Some stations aired the series between 5 and 6 AM, while the Sci-Fi Channel aired the series at 7:30 AM, both of which Oliver feels were hardly desirable time slots for the target audience.

Fan campaign and DVD releases
With a fan campaign begun by the now defunct Roughneck Chronicles website, the Pluto Campaign was released on DVD. Based on sales, the other arcs were released on DVD. However, these subsequent DVDs were released in order of popularity, not in chronological order. The last DVD released was called "Trackers," containing an episode bridging the gaps between the Klendathu Campaign and Homefront Campaign DVDs, and the four clip show episodes. Unlike the other DVDs, "Trackers" did not have any cast or crew commentaries.

The DVDs were re-released as a 4-disc Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles – The Complete Campaigns box set, which consists of stripped down versions of the individual DVD releases, removing the cast and crew commentaries (and in the United Kingdom edition the Tesca Campaign is incorrectly listed as volume 2, instead of volume 4).

Given the success of the earlier DVDs, it was hoped that the sales would encourage Sony to produce a final direct-to-DVD movie to complete the original Homefront Campaign story arc, but there have been no new announcements regarding the Roughneck series. The original production company, Foundation Imaging, has since dissolved.

While the series ends on a cliffhanger, the story editor of the final arc outlined his plan for the final three episodes on the crew commentary of the Homefront Campaign DVD (not included on the box set version).

Mill Creek Entertainment announced the complete series on DVD.

Alpha Team a.k.a. Razak's Roughnecks (later Rico's Roughnecks)

 * Private/Corporal/Sergeant/Lieutenant John T. "Johnny" Rico (voiced by Rino Romano) – The main focus of the series, Rico is a good soldier but a little distrustful of technology ("I couldn't stand being in one of those tin cans") and a bit over-reliant on his instincts. He is best friends with Carl Jenkins and Dizzy Flores, and carries a torch for Carmen Ibanez for most of the series but eventually admits he is in love with Dizzy and they eventually become a couple. Rico is the last of the Roughnecks to accept T'Phai. He is promoted first to Corporal during the Zephyr Campaign, then to Sergeant in the Klendathu Campaign as a result of Brutto's paralysis, and finally to Lieutenant during the Homefront Campaign, carrying on Razak's legacy.
 * Private Isabelle "Dizzy" Flores (voiced by Elizabeth Daily) – An old friend of Rico's from high school, Dizzy has a crush on him which is unrequited for most of the series. She figures they will sort out their relationship problems after their tour of duty. She had a relationship with Goss in an attempt to make Rico jealous which ended in the Tesca Campaign, but started an affair with Zander Barcalow for the rest of the Tesca Campaign and the entire Zephyr Campaign.  This shattered as Barcalow became a Bug/Human hybrid during the Klendathu Campaign. She eventually redeems Barcalow in the Klendathu Campaign. In the Homefront campaign, Rico eventually admits to being in love with her, but Dizzy rejects him, revealing that she believes herself to be a "jinx" and that any relationship would bring about Rico's death. And, to keep him at a distance, she suggest that SICON command would find their behavior "wholly inappropriate" because of their respective ranks, hinting at the threat of fraternization issues that would arise if she made them aware of the situation. However, despite this, Dizzy still harbors feelings for Rico and eventually they do become a couple. Dizzy is claustrophobic, but lied about it to be accepted into the Mobile Infantry; her phobia was later remedied by Jenkins, who used his psychic powers to give her something akin to a very strong post-hypnotic suggestion.
 * Lieutenant Jean Razak (voiced by Jamie Hanes) – The leader of the Roughnecks, Razak is a seasoned veteran who has been decorated ten times for meritorious service. He is described as having "broken the mold" of trooper officer behavior. Razak's left arm is a mechanical prosthetic, the legacy of his first command where the entire squad was ambushed and only he survived. He later dies a heroic death to save Rico in the Homefront Campaign.
 * Sergeant Francis Brutto (voiced by David DeLuise) – A somewhat ruthless taskmaster, Brutto is very outspoken and aggressive. Originally something of an antagonist for the rest of the squad, he eventually becomes easier to get along with during the Hydora Campaign. His son, Max, is 17 and an All-Star Fullback. Brutto is crippled before the Klendathu Campaign, and afterwards his son (who apparently joined the Mobile Infantry in the aftermath of the Pluto Campaign) is assigned to the Roughnecks. Like all the Roughnecks, Brutto originally was distrustful of T'Phai, but eventually became one of his best friends, prompting Higgins to remark, "Are those two actually bonding?" This bond extends to the point that when his son joins the Roughnecks he wants T'Phai to look out for his son.
 * Corporal Richard "Doc" LeCroix (voiced by James Horan) – The team's medical officer, Doc is laid-back and patient. He and Goss act as the comic relief of the show at times, playing off each other's jokes amidst a folly of Bug drones. Doc is the assigned pilot for the "Duck" cargo Marauder exoskeleton.
 * Corporal Jeff "Goss" Gossard (voiced by Bill Fagerbakke) – An ambitious Roughneck who wants a distinguished career. The elder of two siblings, Goss is a technological master, adept with any form of machinery. He invented the "TALC Box," which was intended to translate Bug shrieking into human language, but used to translate for Skinnies instead. Goss is the assigned pilot for the Long-Range aka "King Kong" Marauder. He had a short relationship with Dizzy following the Pluto Campaign, but broke up with her because he knows that Dizzy still loves Rico.
 * Lieutenant/Ensign Carmen Ibanez (voiced by Tish Hicks) – A pilot in the SICON fleet. Rico joined the military just because Carmen said that she wanted to be a pilot and Rico blindly attempts to follow her. Carmen is smart, calm and rarely lets her emotions get in the way of her tasks. Whenever a drop ship she's piloting crash-lands, she helps the Roughnecks carry out their missions. While reminiscing about the past, Carmen admits that she had a big crush on Rico during the sixth grade, but didn't tell him. It is not clear if she feels the same way about Rico after Dizzy tells Carmen that she's the reason Rico enlisted. She is apparently demoted to Ensign either for crashing the ship or for insubordination in the first episode of the Klendathu Campaign.
 * Lieutenant/Major Zander Barcalow (voiced by Nicholas Guest) – A former football player in high school, Barcalow joined the SICON fleet as a pilot and was ranked Major at the start of the Pluto Campaign. He started off as Carmen's flight instructor in a drop ship. Other than transporting troops, Barcalow occasionally flies fighters to provide air support. His personality is pompous and arrogant, which may have led to his constant interchange between Major and Lieutenant ranks. During the Tesca Campaign, Barcalow started a relationship with Dizzy Flores, which lasted until the end of the Zephyr Campaign, when he was captured by the Bugs and became infected with an unknown virus, which gave him a Jekyll and Hyde complex. Things went worse during the Klendathu Campaign when Barcalow mutated into a Bug and nearly had the Valley Forge crash on Klendathu. He later died a noble death saving the Roughnecks after Dizzy reminded him "to play on her team."
 * Special Operations Tactician Carl Jenkins (voiced by Rider Strong) – A psychic friend of Rico's and Dizzy's from high school, the other Roughnecks avoid Jenkins because his telepathic powers worry them. He destroys the Hydoran Brain Bug with a Mind-Bomb but suffers mental trauma in the process. Jenkins grows weaker and his powers become less stable during the Tophet Campaign, when T'Phai's Control Bug breaks loose and it attempts to attach to Jenkins. He destroys it with a telekinetic blast, but falls into a coma and is spirited away by Military intelligence. Jenkins returns later on in the series, the mental experimentation performed on him by Military intelligence neurosurgeons has increased his powers but made him cold and harsh. What was left of his old self is rekindled when Rico saved him during the Klendathu Campaign.
 * Private Robert "Paperboy" Higgins (voiced by Alexander Polinsky) – A FedNet reporter assigned to the Roughnecks, Higgins is something of the trademark outsider. His inexperience and degree of military incompetence makes him something of a liability on occasion. Higgins usually shoots with a camera instead of a gun. He is able to stay in the squad only because Rico gave him training. Higgins is the narrator for the series.
 * Private "Colonel" T'Phai (voiced by Steve Staley) – The former military leader of the Skinnies, T'Phai was an enemy for most of the Tophet Campaign under the influence of a Control Bug. He was indirectly responsible for Jenkins' extended medical leave, which didn't help when he was assigned to the Roughnecks during the Tesca Campaign. Not accepted initially, T'Phai receives the acceptance of all Roughnecks but Rico at the end of the first episode, not receiving Rico's approval until the end of the second episode. His rank is Private within the Mobile Infantry, but he is still referred to as Colonel (his Skinnie rank) by the Roughnecks. After enlisting with SICON, T'Phai studied human languages so he won't require a Talk Box. T'Phai is considered a father figure since he had a wife, who was also in the military, and two children. He believes in fighting a war so that his children would not have to share his fate.

SICON (SICO)

 * Commander Marlow (voiced by Thomas Wagner) – Commanding officer of the Valley Forge, the starship to which Alpha Squad is initially assigned. Old-school fleet officer who was looking forward to retirement before the Bug War began.
 * General Miriam Redwing (voiced by Irene Bedard) – Former flame of Lt. Jean Razak, and friend of Sgt. Charlie Zim; now a General at SICON Headquarters. A compassionate yet stern career officer.
 * Sky Marshal Sanchez (voiced by R. Lee Ermey) – Top military brass of the SICON Forces. Has demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice civilian lives if he believes it will help achieve victory. Note that the Sky Marshal in the novel was female, unusual for a 1950s SF novel.
 * Lt. Earl Walker (voiced by Michael Harrington) – Intelligence officer who has an uneasy relationship with Razak and the Roughnecks. Seems to value intelligence data more than the human beings under his command who have to collect it. At one point, Walker was willing to ensure that Razak's military career would end during General Miriam Redwing's supposed disappearance being unaware of Redwing and Razak's sting operation against a mole within the SICON ranks. During the Homefront campaign, Walker and Razak along with their squads put aside their differences and befriend each other.  Walker is not seen after Razak's death except for taking command of his squad fighting elsewhere during the conflict.
 * C.H.A.S. (Cybernetic Humanoid Assault System) (voiced by Ed Hopkins) – A prototype combat robot with state-of-the-art weaponry, armor and artificial intelligence. CHAS joined the Roughnecks for a single mission during the Tophet Campaign, at the end of which he sacrificed himself to save Higgins and the rest of the squad. Audio commentary by the production crew has stated that the C.H.A.S. units cost a lot of production resources. Although they do appear later as bridge guards and combat but are easily dispatched by the Zander bug.
 * Drill Instructor/Sergeant Charlie Zim – (voiced by Clancy Brown) Rico's and Flores' Drill instructor, who joins the Roughnecks during the final stages of the Homefront campaign. Revealed to Rico that machinations between him and Razak guided him to his potential as they recognized something great in him. Zim is the only character in the series that is voiced by the original film actor.

Introduced in the Pluto campaign

 * Warrior Bugs – The bulk of the Bug armies, they are about the size of large horses and scuttle around on four spindly legs. They attack with two spiked razor limbs and their razor-edged mandibles which can bite a person in half if they get close enough. Warrior Bugs are relatively weak against standard-issue weaponry, but they make up for this with large numbers. These Bugs have also proven to be able to climb up walls and dig underground. They also do not need oxygen to survive as they have been seen on the outside of transport bugs while they were flying through space.
 * Sentry Bugs – Bugs the size of dogs. they resemble fleas and can crawl up and down walls. The Sentry Bugs are early warning systems and play other support roles, usually found in or near nests. They have very little offensive capability but they have sharp teeth that can bite through steel cable and inflict nasty wounds.
 * Tanker Bugs – These are like tanks. They are the size of houses and breathe fire as their main offensive weapon. Although they don't move quickly, their ability to tunnel underground allows them to pop up unexpectedly in the middle of a battle. Their armored exoskeleton makes them impervious to everything except high explosives such as mini-nukes and plasma rockets.
 * Plasma Bugs – The Bug artillery, they are bigger than the Tanker Bugs, and have the rather nasty ability to fire huge, volatile globs of plasma from their rear ends at airborne or distant targets. One of the roughneck missions was to attempt to capture a baby one alive so researchers could find out how this plasma is generated.
 * Hoppers – Acting as air support, they are about the size of Warrior Bugs and resemble mosquitoes with razor wings. They can bring down a light aircraft by grappling onto it, but their primary mode of attack is to simply ram their targets at high speed. Impervious to light weapons, they are vulnerable to explosive shells and "lizard lines." Hoppers are attracted to laser emissions like mosquitoes to a bug zapper.
 * Transport Bugs - Creatures used for interstellar transport, they are fueled by water and can make planetary landings. The first one spotted was delivering eggs to Pluto, disproving the idea that the Bugs are native to the solar system.

Introduced in the Hydora campaign

 * Kamikaze Ripplers – Flying Bugs that are similar to Hoppers except they can also shoot spikes from their mouths and can swim underwater. Later in the campaign the spikes exude a corrosive venom which burns flesh and destroys equipment.
 * "Momma" Rippler – A large Bug seen guarding a nest of Rippler eggs and thought to be their source.
 * Water Tigers – About the same size as warriors but much fatter, this pale species can swim quickly in water and is rarely seen on land. They have a venom that causes paralysis, and they use it to capture their prey alive to store in their larder.
 * Brain Bugs – Moving telepathic nodes, these are the generals of the bug army, coordinating all Bug activity through telepathic mind control.  They are large and almost too fat to move by themselves. Brain Bugs have slight offensive capabilities by using a psychic attack to stun humans. They have a slit-like mouth with a spike/sucker organ that extends from the mouth to pierce an enemy's skull and extract its brain to add the gained information to the hive mind collective.
 * Chariot Bugs a.k.a. Minion Bugs – About the size of Sentry Bugs and bearing a resemblance to common roaches, these Bugs accompany and serve the Brain Bugs. When needed, the Brain Bugs can lie on top of them to be moved about.

Introduced in the Tophet campaign

 * Blister Bugs – Slightly larger than a Warrior Bug. They carry a large supply of corrosive liquid which can be used to attack directly or dissolve walls and equipment.
 * Blaster Bugs – Resembling Blisters, they absorb heat from the surrounding environment and focus it into a wave of heat energy capable of burning through power suits or melting rock.
 * Control Bugs – Small Bugs, roughly the size of human hands. They seize control of a host by attaching themselves to the spinal cord, becoming a telepathic conduit for Brain Bugs. The range of their telepathic abilities has never been tested in the field. While having very little offensive capability on their own, they are very agile and difficult to hit with weapons. They are first encountered on Tophet, controlling the Skinnies.

Introduced in the Tesca campaign

 * Jungle Spiders – Though looking more like crabs than actual spiders, Spider Bugs are eight-eyed and eight-legged with web-spinning capabilities. Smaller specimens are the size of Warrior Bugs and join them as shock troops. Larger ones capture enemies for "interrogation" by Brain Bugs or as DNA samples for Nurser Bugs.
 * Nurser Bugs – Help care for Bug eggs until they hatch. They create new varieties of Bug by injecting DNA extracted from other species into Bug embryos. With no fighting capability, they are only seen in nests where eggs are being incubated.
 * Tanker Worms – Used to dig small tunnels for Control Bugs. They have no offensive capabilities but their ability to dig silently allows the Control Bugs to launch surprise attacks.

Introduced in the Zephyr campaign

 * Firefries – Small Bugs similar to fireflies, but actually on fire. Firefries grow to the size of warrior bugs, lose the ability to fly, and spit fire like a flamethrower.
 * Ice Bugs – Bugs the size of a large asteroid, found covered in ice and floating in space for eons. If one makes contact with Firefries they begin a symbiotic relationship where the Firefries feed on the Ice Bug while the Ice Bug uses the Firefries for energy.

Introduced in the Klendathu campaign

 * Zander Bug – Major Barcalow after being transformed into a humanoid Bug. He has become bigger and Bug-like, but has kept his human intelligence.
 * Nurser Spider – Similar to Nurser Bugs in that they can manipulate the DNA of Bug larvae, but resembling spiders. The Zander Bug uses them to create impostor bugs.
 * Impostor Bugs – Bugs designed to infiltrate SICON by disguising themselves in mobile infantry power suits.
 * Queen Bug – The master and leader of the entire Bug race. She is a huge Bug that can lay thousands of Bug eggs per day.
 * Royal Guard Bug - A special type of warrior Bug that guards the Queen and her eggs.
 * Super Transport Bugs - Nearly ten times the size of regular Transport Bugs, Super Transports are used to carry the Queen and a small army across star systems. During the episode Trackers there are many Super Transports used as decoys.

Other alien creatures

 * Skinnies - Roughly humanoid but very thin, this civilization is native to Tophet and enslaved by the bug army. Their weapons fire a stream of liquid that engulfs and then crushes the target. First encountered on Tophet.
 * Sparky - Squirrel like native of Tophet, it's friendly and has the ability to generate an electric field.
 * Seal Shark - Resembles a seal except for a jaw full of shark-like teeth. A voracious predator, it will attack humans and bugs alike. Native of Tesca Nemerosa.
 * Razorback Croc - Very similar to crocodiles except they are much larger and have a dorsal ridge. Native of Tesca Nemerosa.
 * Raptor Bird - Pterodactyl like creature the size of a human. Native of Tesca Nemerosa.
 * Space Leech - A parasitic creature that feeds on Ice Bugs and will aggressively attack both Firefries and humans. They produce a chemical which is toxic to the bug army. Seen during the Zephyr Campaign.

Technologies
In the show, there are various technologies used by SICON and the Skinnes:

 * Starships - Small city-like vessel that troopers consider their home-away-from home. They are equipped with hyperspace drives, subspace communicators, missiles, lasers and ballistics, including sensors that can detect movement of other crafts in other systems.
 * Dropship - A small type of ship that can drop and pickup troopers on planets. They are equipped with guns at the cockpit.
 * Marauder - A mecha-like exoskeleton that stands 10 ft. tall and walks faster than a human. Marauders are piloted by a single soldier and offer more firepower and augmented physical strength, at the cost of a limited power supply. There are two kinds, the "Duck" and the "Ape."
 * Morita Smart Rifle - The standard issue weapon for all SICON troopers. Capable of fully automatic or single-round fire.
 * Shock Stick - A staff weapon capable of delivering a powerful, usually non-lethal electric shock. Many troopers carry shock sticks as a back-up weapon for their rifles.
 * Fighter - A small, short-ranged craft armed with missiles and machine guns used primarily for air-to-air combat to provide cover for ground troops. Crewed by one or two people.  Capable of operating in space or planetary atmosphere.
 * Bomber - Similar to the fighter, but with explosive payloads instead of weapons. Used to destroy large groups of ground-based enemies or enemy strongholds.
 * Troop Transport - A six-wheeled transport used by troopers.
 * Flatbed - This is only shown on Pluto. It is in the remains of an older station on Pluto from before Operation Pest Control.
 * Drop suit - A heavily armored suit that is capable of keeping the occupant alive while being dropped to a planet's surface from orbit.
 * Skimmer - A hovering transport, this is capable of going on both water and land and was even shown to have flight abilities. Having no personal offensive capabilities, it relies on personnel to fire from the open deck of the ship.
 * Jet ski/Raft - A single-person transport used in water.
 * WASP flier - A one-manned flying unit that is capable of low level flight. Razak attempts to strap two others to it, but it is unable to hold the weight.
 * Submersible - Similar to the troop transport, but for under water instead of over land.
 * Power Suit - Standard-issue armor for S.I.C.O.N. soldiers. Has an air-tight seal, a self-contained air recycling system, radio, and flotation device.  M.I. troopers (as opposed to fleet pilots) also have jet-packs for short flights and a flip-down visor with zoom, thermal imaging, and assisted-targeting.
 * Grappling gun - Also known as Lizard Lines. These guns fire drills with lines attached to them, and are capable of carrying great amounts of weight.  Two are capable of carrying a Marauder and two power suited soldiers.
 * Rocket Launcher - Packing more firepower than the rifles, the shoulder-mounted rocket launchers have a five-rocket magazine, each capable of destroying man-sized targets while injuring or destroying enemies close to the primary target. Rockets can be substituted for small nuclear missiles capable of destroying plasma bugs and wounding other large enemies.

Deviations from the novel

 * Whereas Johnny Rico is an Asian Filipino in Heinlein's original novel, Rico is portrayed as a European Argentinian living in Buenos Aires in Roughnecks. (In the first film and the Japanese OVA series, Rico is an Argentinian of Spanish descent).
 * Private Jenkins, Rico's squad mate, and Carl, Rico's friend, are two different people in the novel, but are conflated in the film and series. Psychics ("Special Talents") are present in the novel, but their abilities are not specified; in the novel, Rico initially believes they merely have superhuman hearing when they detect bugs. In the series, Carl is alive and is a "talent" attached to the squad. In the novel, Carl dies during a bug raid at the beginning of the war.
 * Dizzy Flores in the novel is a man. In the film and the animated series, the character was changed to a woman. In addition, Flores is wounded during the raid depicted in the novel's first chapter, and dies on the recovery ship shortly after the squad is evacuated.
 * In the series, the Marauder is a large humanoid mech-type vehicle manned by one trooper as a fire support and gunnery platform. In the novel, the Marauder is the name of the standard armor worn by the majority of troopers.
 * The Mobile Infantry in the novel did not accept women, whereas in the film and series they do.
 * In the series and the film, Razak/Rasczak taught Dizzy and Rico. In the novel their instructor in "History and Moral Philosophy" is retired Lt. Col. Jean V. Dubois, whose letter to Rico encourages him past the emotional "hump" in training.
 * The novel begins with a raid on the "Skinnies'" homeworld; the "Skinnies" aren't introduced in the series until the third campaign.
 * In the novel, Rasczak has already been killed and his Roughnecks honor his memory by being exceptional, while in the series Razak is alive until the Homefront Campaign.


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I typed Stoned into our search and got redirected to intoxication, which is a redirect to drunkenness, i.e. my request led to a redirect page. Being stoned does not anyway mean being drunk butunder the influence of cannabis. I rewrote the article, but it is a bit pathetic. Any ideas? --SqueakBox 22:57, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * One can get stoned from anything intoxicating, not just alcohol. I just reverted the article back to it's orginal state (sorry) before I noticed these comments here. I feel a reworked Stoned article linking rather than redirecting to all the possible means of getting "stoned" would be more suitable than what we currently have. Anyone? -- Longhair | Talk 22:53, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely. I only put the stub for lack of anything else to say, --SqueakBox 00:28, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

I remember distinctly watching several episodes of Green Acres in which being stoned would be a reference to alcohol inebriation

See also the Ray Charles song "Let's Go Get Stoned" which lyrically refers clearly to drunkeness by way of alcohol. Unfortunately.

revert
Version by 216.194.63.83 is too limited in scope and unencyclopedic.Mikereichold 15:56, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Reminds me of a dictionary
You know, the article seemed not for an encyclopedia, but a Dictionary... Hmmm? Wiktionary articles should be more like this, not that confusiing, mixed up mash you see there. Crad0010 20:04, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I firmly believe that what this page needs is an escher print background and a floating bob marley head. Stupidwhiteman

 * That can be arranged. --71.36.251.182 21:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Redirect instead?
Instead of deletion, why not replace it with a redirect to stone (a disambig page) instead? -- Tivedshambo (talk) 16:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

 * As no-one's answered, and the 5 days of PROD are up, I'll go ahead and do this. -- Tivedshambo (talk) 11:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * No,It's totally unnecessary.

Song and Film
Stoned is also the name of a song by The Rolling Stones,and a film about Brian Jones.
 * I'm reworking the article back into stub form, as it was all original research and false claims anyways. I'll be sure to include the first one, as the rolling stones are well recognized. I'd need more information about the film to include it myself. i kan reed 02:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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Edhi Foundation

The Edhi Foundation is a non-profit social welfare organization based in Pakistan. It was founded by Abdul Sattar Edhi in 1951, who served as the head of the organization until his death on 8 July 2016. Bilquis Edhi, a nurse by profession, used to oversee the maternity and adoption services of the foundation. The Edhi Foundation is headquartered in the city of Karachi.

The Edhi Foundation provides 24-hour emergency assistance across the entirety of Pakistan and internationally. The foundation provides, among many other services, shelter for the destitute, hospitals and medical care, drug rehabilitation services, and national and international relief efforts. The organization's main focuses are emergency services, orphans, handicapped persons, women's shelters, education, healthcare, international community centres, refugees, missing persons, blood donation & drug rehabilitation banks, air ambulance services and marine and coastal services. The organization is known to serve those in need regardless of race, religious affiliation, and social status, and runs entirely on donations and volunteer efforts. While the Edhi Foundation's primary focus is in Pakistan as well as the rest of South Asia, it has an extensive presence throughout the Middle East and Africa. However, it has also provided financial and supplementary aid to countries in Europe and the Americas in the event of natural disasters (such as Hurricane Katrina in 2005) or other issues. As of 2020, the Edhi Foundation has international head offices present in the United States, United Kingdom, United Arab Emirates, Canada, Australia, Nepal, India, Bangladesh, and Japan.

History
In 1928, Abdul Sattar Edhi was born in Bantva, a town in the princely state of Bantva Manavadar in British India. In 1939, when he was 11 years old, Edhi's mother suffered a major stroke and became physically and mentally disabled. Shortly after this, Edhi dropped out of school to provide full-time care to his mother. At home, he would cater to her needs by bathing her, taking her to the bathroom, feeding her, and much more. He dedicated the following years of his life caring for her until she died in early 1947. Later that year, during the Partition of India, Edhi and his family fled to the newly established Dominion of Pakistan and settled down in Karachi. The combined experiences of caring for his mother as well as seeing the death and destruction due to the partition motivated Edhi to pursue the establishment of a major humanitarian organization in Pakistan. By 1951, he had bought a small shop in Karachi and opened a free dispensary to aid those in need of humanitarian services. Since then, he began to build up what would eventually become the Edhi Foundation. He established his first welfare centre in 1957 and then the Edhi Trust. Eventually, the Edhi Trust, which functioned on the efforts of a single person and one room became a large nationwide network run on volunteer efforts and donations. The organization has over 300 centres across the country, being present anywhere from big cities to small towns and remote rural areas, primarily focused on providing medical aid, family planning and emergency assistance. Air ambulances allow the network to operate in and access remote areas.

In Karachi alone, the Edhi Foundation runs eight major hospitals providing free medical care to all, alongside other services and establishments such as eye clinics, diabetic centres, surgical units, a four-bed cancer-focused hospital and mobile aid and relief dispensaries. In addition to these services, the organization also manages two blood banks. As with other Edhi services, these are run by employed professionals and volunteers. The foundation has a legal aid department, which also provides free services and has secured the release of countless innocent prisoners. Commissioned doctors visit jails on a regular basis and also supply food and other essentials to the inmates. There are 15 operational shelter homes for destitute children, runaways, and psychotics.

On 25 June 2013, Edhi's kidneys failed, with doctors announcing that he would be on dialysis for the rest of his life unless he found an appropriate kidney donor. Three years later, on 8 July 2016, Edhi died at the age of 88 due to kidney failure after having been placed on a ventilator. His last wishes included a request that his organs be donated to those in need but due to his poor health and failing organs, only his corneas were suitable for donation. Edhi was given a state funeral and thousands gathered to mourn his death as he was laid to rest in Edhi Village, Karachi.

The Edhi Foundation also has an extensive education program, which not only provides services related to standard education but also in vocational activities such as driving, pharmacy and para-medical training. The emphasis and goal of this program is to propel those who are suffering from a nearly unbreakable cycle of poverty into a life of self-sufficiency. The foundation has branches in several countries where they provide relief to refugees and citizens in need in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Japan, and Bangladesh. Following the end of the Gulf War in 1991, the foundation provided aid and rehabilitation to the citizens of Kuwait and Iraq. It has also run major relief operations for earthquake victims in Iran and Egypt. The organization has held the Guinness World Record for being the "world's largest volunteer ambulance organization" since 1997. In 2016, after the death of Abdul Sattar Edhi, the State Bank of Pakistan urged all banks around the country to donate to the Edhi Foundation.

Services
The Edhi Foundation provides a number of services, emergency and non-emergency, to the general public. In addition to emergency medical services and private ambulance services, the organization also renders aid to women and children in need, assists with missing persons cases, and helps in covering burial and graveyard costs of unclaimed and unidentified bodies during times of disaster and tragedy.

Ambulance services

As of March 2021, the Edhi Foundation owns over 5,000 private ambulance vans stationed in areas across Pakistan. The ambulance dispatchers in Karachi, one of the busiest cities in Pakistan, have reported up to 6,000 calls a day, with the average response time for each incident falling within 10 minutes. It was also an Edhi ambulance which responded to and picked up the body of the American journalist, Daniel Pearl, when he was killed in 2002.

The organization also owns two private jets and one helicopter to assist in moving victims from hard-to-reach locations, especially during the event of a natural disaster. In addition to land and air assistance, Edhi Foundation also hosts 28 rescue boats to aid during floods and in cases of shipwrecks and disaster along the Arabian Ocean coast.

Hospital services
The organization runs several private outpatient hospitals located in Pakistan. Additional medical facilities include a diabetic center, a nurse training center, immunization centers, and blood banks, including emergency banks during times of natural disasters or tragedies.

Childcare services
Bilquis Edhi, co-head of the Edhi Foundation, is responsible for overseeing children's and women's services within the organization. Services he heads currently for children include the jhoola project, a child adoption center, and an abandoned children's welfare center. Jhoola is the Urdu word for "cradle", and refers to a baby hatch for abandoned children. Most of the Edhi emergency centers have a jhoola located outside the venue for mothers to leave their infants, regardless of the current situation they may be in. These children are taken into custody and are taken care of, often being adopted by pre-screened families.

International services
The Edhi Foundation has reached out to international communities and assisted with the setup of several offices overseas which assist with donations, fundraising, and especially financially aiding Pakistanis who have to be flown overseas for urgent medical attention. In addition to providing their regular services, the overseas foundation offices often help with community needs as necessary. In 2005, the Edhi Foundation provided $100,000 in aid to relief efforts following Hurricane Katrina.

In March 2020, the organization donated US$200,000 to the Iranian government to help it combat the Coronavirus epidemic plaguing the country.

On April 23, 2021, Faisal Edhi, the head of the organization has offered to help India fight the Covid-19 pandemic by writing a letter to Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi. He requested for permission to enter India with a team of volunteers and 50 ambulances to help assist India in the pandemic as the country is facing nationwide oxygen shortage.

Popularity in media and memorial
On 28 February 2017, Google celebrated Edhi with a Google Doodle hailing his "super-efficient" ambulance service.

On 1 April 2017, State Bank of Pakistan unveils Rs50 coin in honour of the late humanitarian Abdul Sattar Edhi.

Karachi's Beach Avenue on DHA phase VII has been renamed as "Abdus Sattar Edhi Avenue".

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Talk:Ordinate

Re: metaphor
Okay, fair enough. I find my understanding of math improved by this kind of concept, but I'm sure it could be stated better. I also think that, uless you're interested in in-depth coverage of the topic, a redirect page or Wiktionary article would be more appropriate.--Joel 22:56, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Good point. What if we redirect this to Cartesian coordinate system? There, the ordinate is mentioned. Oleg Alexandrov 23:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

x and y are both ordinates
There is no logic to declare only y of the pair (x, y) an "ordinate". Together they are co-ordinates. Individually they are each ordinates. This follows the same logic as "co-authors", "co-writers", et cetera. —DIV (138.194.12.32 (talk) 00:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC))
 * Then explain this! -Psychlohexane (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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80-meter band

The 80 meter or 3.5 MHz band is a span of radio frequencies allocated for amateur use, from 3.5–4.0 MHz in North and South America (IARU and ITU Region 2); generally 3.5–3.8 MHz in Europe, Africa, and northern Asia (Region 1); and 3.5–3.9 MHz in south and east Asia and the eastern Pacific (Region 3). The upper portion of the band, which is usually used for phone (voice), is sometimes referred to as 75 meters; however, in Europe, "75 m" is used to name an overlapping shortwave broadcast band between 3.9–4.0 MHz used by a number of national radio services.

Because high absorption in the ionosphere's Sun-activated D layer persists until nightfall, 80 meters is usually only good for local communications during the day, and hardly ever good for communications over intercontinental distances during daylight hours. But it is the most popular band for regional communications networks from the late afternoon through the night time hours. At night, 80 m is usually reliable for short- to medium-distance contacts, with average distances ranging from local contacts within 200 miles / 300 km out to a distance of 1,000 miles / 1,600 km or more at night – even worldwide – depending on atmospheric and ionospheric conditions.

Overview
The nominal "80 meter" band begins at 3.5 MHz (85.7 m wavelength) and goes up to 4.0 MHz (74.9 m wavelength). The upper part of the band, mostly used for voice, is often referred to as 75 meters, since in Region 2, the wavelengths in that section are between 80–75 meters (adjacent to or overlapping a shortwave broadcast band called by the same name: "75 m").

Natural and human-made noise
80 meters can be plagued with noise: The same ionospheric refraction that makes long-distance shortwave propagation possible also traps terrestrial noise under the ionosphere, preventing it from dissipating into space, which quiets down radio bands at higher frequencies, above ~20 MHz. The 80 m rural noise floor is mostly determined by noise produced by distant tropical thunderstorms and cumulative regional sources of human-made static. The urban and suburban 80 m noise floor is typically set by the amount of noise generated locally, from electrical machinery and household electronics, and is generally 10–20 dB stronger than typical rural noise.

On 80 meters, nearly all areas of the world are subject to weather-induced noise from regionally local thunderstorms, and combined distant lightning strikes from tropical thunderstorms that perpetually supply world-wide a continuous source of radio static.

Daytime and nighttime use
The 80 meter band is favoured for ragchews between amateurs within a range of 500 miles / 800 km. During contests the band is filled with activity beginning before sunset and continuing all through the night.

The ionosphere's D layer significantly affects the 80 meter band by absorbing signals. During the daylight hours, a station in middle or high latitudes using 100 watts and a simple dipole antenna can expect a maximum communication range of 200 mi, extending to a few thousand miles or more at night.

Global coverage can be routinely achieved at high latitudes during the late fall and winter, by stations using modest power and common antennas. The higher background noise on 80 meters, especially when combined with higher ionospheric absorption, causes transmitting stations with higher effective radiated power to have a decided advantage in being heard by long-distance receiving stations. With very high transmitting antennas or large vertically polarized arrays and full legal power, reliable worldwide communications occurs over nighttime paths. Good receiving antennas have far more modest requirements to reliably get signals from worldwide sources.

Cumbersome large antennas
Antennas for 3.5 MHz are large: For example, a quarter-wave vertical sized to resonate at 3.6 MHz is approximately 65 ft high; for reasonable antenna efficiency, even a reduced-size antenna needs to be a large fraction ($≳ 2⁄3$) of that height, which is still a formidable construction project for an amateur. Erecting such large antennas and ensuring the antennas radiate significant power at low angles are two of the challenges facing amateurs wishing to communicate over long distances. Amateurs interested in regional communication can use low wire antennas, such as horizontal dipoles, inverted vee dipole antennas or loop antennas on this band. Horizontally polarized antennas closer than a quarter-wave to earth produce predominantly high-angle radiation, which is useful for short-distance propagation modes, such as near vertical incidence skywave. Nonetheless, occasional favorable propagation conditions make substantial distances still possible with modest-height antennas.

Mobile radio operation with portable antennas is still possible, but the relatively short length of practical mobile antennas compared to a quarter-wave antenna – usually under 10 ft vs. around 65 ft tall – results in the need to compensate with a large inductive loading coil to bring the antenna to resonance. However a large coil looses power through resistive heating of its wire, and that wire resistance is always high enough to compete for RF power against the antenna's meager effective radiation resistance: Since short antennas have very low radiation resistance, the lion's share of their fed power is lost to heat, and their efficiency is typically below 10%, with roughly 90% of the power input lost to wire and ground resistance. Additionally, the large inductance of the loading coil creates an antenna system with an extremely narrow bandwidth (very high $Q$), which can be good for reducing received noise, but makes changing frequency a challenge, since one must retune the loading coil's inductance.

History
The 80 meter band was made available to amateurs in the United States by the Third National Radio Convention in 1924. The band was allocated on a worldwide basis by the International Radiotelegraph Convention in 1927.

Propagation
As the maximum usable frequency for long-distance communication seldom dips below 3.5 MHz anywhere on the planet, the main propagation barrier to long-distance communication is heavy D-layer absorption during the daytime, ensuring that DX paths must be largely, although not entirely, in darkness. At times, there is pronounced dark-side gray-line propagation, which is most useful on polar routes, away from equatorial thunderstorm activity.

At higher latitudes, a noticeable skip zone sometimes appears on the band during nighttime hours in midwinter, which can be as much as 300 miles / 500 km, rendering communication with closer stations impossible. This is not generally a problem at middle or equatorial latitudes, or for large parts of the year anywhere, but it does occasionally limit local wintertime traffic on the band in areas such as Northern Europe, the northern tier of the United States and Canada.

During spring and summer (year-round in the tropics), lightning from distant storms creates significantly higher background noise levels, often becoming an insurmountable obstacle to maintaining normal communications. Nearby convective weather activity during the summer months can make the band completely unusable, even for local communications. In the winter months during the peak years of the sunspot cycle, auroral effects can also render the band useless for hours at a time.

Frequency allocations
The International Telecommunication Union allocated the whole 500 kHz from 3.5–4.0 MHz to amateurs in the Americas, and 3.5–3.8 MHz or 3.5–3.9 MHz to amateurs in other parts of the world. However, amateurs outside the Americas must share this useful piece of spectrum with other users, usually on a joint primary basis. As a result, authorities in the affected parts of the world restrict amateur allocations between 3.7 MHz and the top of the band.

Some allocations are as follows:

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 * 3.500–3.750, 3.790–3.800
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 * Australia
 * 3.500–3.700, 3.776–3.800
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 * Canada
 * 3.500–4.000
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 * Europe
 * 3.500–3.800
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 * India
 * 3.500–3.700, 3.890–3.900
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 * Japan
 * 3.500–3.580, 3.599–3.612, 3.662–3.687, 3.702–3.716, 3.745–3.770, 3.791–3.805
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 * Korea
 * 3.500–3.550, 3.790–3.800
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 * New Zealand
 * 3.500–3.900
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 * Russia
 * 3.500–3.800
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 * United States
 * 3.500–4.000
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Lower band edge
As is common for many other wide amateur bands, the lower edge of 80 meters is predominantly used for radio telegraphy (called "CW"), with the lower 10 kHz (3.5–3.51 MHz) primarily used for long-distance communications. It is common for illegal marine operations, generally using USB voice ("phone"), to occupy frequencies on the low end of 80 meters. Most intrusions of this type are from fishing vessels and their marker buoys; although most of those vessels are from SE Asia and South American ports, some band intrusions are committed by fishing vessels based in ports in the USA and Canada.

Upper band edge
For Canadian and U.S. Amateurs with infeasibly perfect transmitters, the highest usable frequency in the 80 m band for lower side band voice ("phone") would be 3.999 MHz. But depending on quality and condition of radio, audio characteristics, and proper adjustments the bulk of emissions on lower sideband will typically occupy 3.9970–3.9997 MHz. All SSB transceivers have third- and fifth-order products of significant level, typically only 30–35 dB below PEP for third order intermodulation. This means any operation above 3.998 MHz even lower sideband (LSB) comes with some risk of illegal emissions, even with good equipment.

It is a common misconception that operating a transmitter set at 3.9997 MHz is not legal, since emissions extend beyond the 4.000 MHz band edge; this is true for some forms of modulation, but not all, and is challenging to measure accurately. In general, high quality receivers or frequency-selective RF power-level meters have better dynamic range, hence more acute signal detection, than all but the best spectrum analyzers, and are excellent for detecting out-of-band emissions when used properly. While some operators reporting out-of-band emissions might have used a wide receiver bandwidth, receiver bandwidth expands the measured transmitter bandwidth, so the perceived bandwidth seems wider than it actually is: Any measurement of out-of-band emissions using a receiver should be made with it set to a significantly narrower bandwidth than the transmitter's – for example, a narrow "CW" mode.

Inexpensive spectrum analyzers, spectrum scopes, and panadaptors generally are not useful for measuring bandwidth, either on-air or off-air. Wide detection bandwidth, slow sweep rates, and common, loud, local ambient noise all mask the presumably weak emissions that survive a transmitter's internal filtering. Although voice ("phone") modes like upper side band, amplitude, or frequency modulation transmitted at a nominal 3.999 MHz will certainly modulate across the 4.0 MHz band edge and are against licensing regulations, a few very narrow-band data modes – like CW – can be used, as long as the power of the emissions beyond the band edge that get past the transmitting system's filtering remain insignificantly low.

Broadcast interference
The European 75 m shortwave broadcast band overlaps the upper edge of the 80 m ham band allocation in the Americas. When it is night on both ends of the transmission path some broadcasters in Asia and Europe can be heard in North America between 3.9–4.0 MHz. On an SSB receiver this produces a tone in the received audio when the station is broadcasting with conventional amplitude modulation, or white noise if the station is transmitting Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM). Setting an SSB receiver to the exact frequency of the AM carrier can blank out the carrier tone, but the audio signal often can still be heard. If a DRM signal is strong enough, its noise may mask weak amateur signals. Most DRM signals occupy 9 or 10 kHz of bandwidth.

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Talk:Reedham railway station (London)

Artcile name
Should this article now be moved to Reedham (London) railway station, as the article for Reedham (Norfolk) railway station now exists. The Reedham railway station can then be turned into a disambiguation page. All pages which link to the London station article would have to be changed to avoid the redirect. Any thoughts? (Our Phellap 22:56, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC))
 * The NR Live Departure Board refers to the station as Reedham (Surrey), but the article says it can be called Reedham (London) or Reedham (GLC) as well - I'd prefer Reedham (London) as it's in a London Borough but maybe we should use the same name as the LDB? But vote yes to moving the page. edd 09:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably best to call the article Reedham (Surrey) if that's what Network Rail call the station. Reedham (London) and Reedham (GLC) can be redirects if it is also known by those names. (Our Phellap 11:16, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC))
 * Moved to Reedham (Surrey) railway station. I've put in a redirect from Reedham (London), but dont see the need for one from Reedham GLC (unless that's what printed on tickets) as the GLC no longer exists... edd 14:14, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

December, 2005
Not sure what happened between April and December, but what was agreed above certainly wasn't true by then. It looked as if someone had transposed the content of the Reedham (Surrey) railway station back to Reedham railway station, without using the move command (naughty) and not bothered to move this talk page as well, or discuss what they were doing here. I have reverted the changes, and fixed up the redirs. -- Chris j wood 17:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes. This page should have been at Reedham railway station (London) in the first place. Other stations in London which need disambiguation also use this form: Victoria station (London). MRSC 08:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The only problem with that is that the station is actually called Reedham (Surrey) (see ). So Wikipedia article name disambiguation rules are essentially irrelevant; ATOC (or whoever disambiguates British station names these days) has already done the job. But, hey, I only got involved because I was trying to sort out a completely inappropriate disambiguation header on the article on the Norfolk village, so I'll bow to your views. -- Chris j wood 15:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Looking further, I see that the station referred to in the Wikipedia article Victoria station (London) is really called London Victoria . So maybe the Wikipedia naming standard for London stations is we know better than the people who actually name the stations. :-( -- Chris j wood 15:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Xoloz (talk) 18:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Reedham railway station (London) → Reedham (Surrey) railway station – This station is referred to as Reedham (Surrey) by Network Rail as well as the train operating company which serves it: This is a more WP:COMMONNAME for the station than the wiki-creation of "Reedham railway station (London)". Lamberhurst (talk) 10:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * National Rail
 * Southern
 * Network Rail
 * railwaystation.co.uk
 * Department of Transport
 * Transport for London

 * Support in principle. I did a quick Google search, and while some results came up for London, most of them were for Surrey. In addition, the station's address is in Surrey, as of course is the postcode, which is more evidence in favour of the proposed change. However, we usually put disambiguation brackets at the end of article names, not in the middle. So my choice would be Reedham railway station (Surrey), rather than the one proposed above. Lamberhurst, does this sound reasonable to you? — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 14:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really because Reedham railway station (Surrey) is another made-up wiki-creation which bears no relation to how the station is named in reality. Per WP:NATURAL, if the WP:COMMONNAME incorporates a disambiguating term, this should be used in preference to parenthetical disambiguation at the end of an article name. Lamberhurst (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Oppose. The Network Rail disambiguation is notoriously inconsistent. The station is in London, so the current disambiguation is accurate. MRSC (talk) 16:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * So, to paraphrase User:Chris j wood in the above discussion from 2005, you presume to know better than the responsible national operators? Lamberhurst (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding the postcode and postal address - the postcode shows which sorting office handles the mail for that address, and sorting offices can be in another administrative area quite easily (several villages in northern Hampshire have their mail sorted at Newbury, but Highclere, for example, is definitely not in Berkshire). The Post Office use a system of counties that doesn't bear any relation to either geographic or administrative counties, past or present. They're an aid to sorting the mail, no more or less.
 * Whether Reedham railway station is really in Greater London or not is immaterial; what counts is surely the station's name as it is known by the rail companies. If you go to the National Rail Enquiries Journey Planner, click in the "Station / Postcode" box (either the "From" one or "to", doesn't matter) and key in "Reedham", you get offered a list of two: "Reedham (Norfolk) - [REE]"; "Reedham (Surrey) - [RHM]". London simply isn't mentioned. Surrey is also shown at Station facilities for Reedham (Surrey). -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:41, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Although both and  use "Reedham (London)". In any case, the common name for this station is "Reedham station". Adding parenthesis in the middle of the article title is against disambiguation policy. MRSC (talk) 06:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Neither www.thetrainline.com (formally Trainline.com Limited) nor www.takethetrain.co.uk (formally Click Travel Ltd) are railway companies; they're independent ticket agents. What they call the stations is surely their own business. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Although both get their data from http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ according to the websites. MRSC (talk) 14:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Support. It's clear the official name of the station is "Reedham (Surrey)" meaning the article should be at Reedham (Surrey) railway station. It is correct that we normally use the common name, but where that is ambiguous and the official name is not then we use the official name. Thryduulf (talk) 19:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per Thryduulf. The official name is clearly "Reedham (Surrey)", and I see no evidence that the commonname differs. Complaints that a disambiguator is usually added by Wikipedia at the end of the name miss the point: this disambiguator has not been added by Wikipedia. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NATURAL and Thryduulf's rationale at Talk:Reedham railway station (Norfolk). -=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 20:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Category:City of Lancaster

The City of Lancaster is a local government district in England which includes the settlement of Lancaster

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Description: Image cover of Crowleymass, a single released in 1987 by Current 93.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Bishop

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete and redirect to Billy Bishop. — Xezbeth 20:04, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Bill Bishop
Non-notable, non-encyclopedic. delete (and perhaps make redirect to Billy Bishop) Geoff/Gsl 22:58, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unnotable resume. Tempshill 23:42, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * DELETE and REDIRECT to Billy Bishop, WWI ace fighter pilot sounds good 132.205.15.43 01:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * delete as vanity. The article has essentially one author, whose only other contributions are vandalism - rernst 03:49, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, possible vanity. Megan1967 06:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Billy Bishop as stated above. 23skidoo 00:38, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and re-create as Redirect to Billy Bishop Dsmdgold 20:17, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

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Parvati Valley

Parvati Valley is a Himalayan valley situated in the northern Indian state of Himachal Pradesh. From the confluence of the Parvati River with the River Beas, the valley runs eastwards, through a steep-sided valley from the town of Bhuntar, in the Kullu district of Himachal Pradesh in Northern India.

Overview
The precipitous valley road climbs past a side valley leading to the village of Malana near the famous tourist spot Kasol. From here, the road passes through the Sikh and Hindu pilgrimage town of Manikaran and terminates at Pulga, where the construction of the Parvati Hydel Project, a hydroelectric dam, dominates the landscape. From Pulga, the footpath climbs to a temple and small dhaba at Rudra-Nag waterfall, apparently after its resemblance of a water snake. Beyond Rudra-Nag waterfall, the trail ascends further through thick pine forests to the spiritual site of Kheerganga where Shiva is said to have meditated for 3000 years. The hot springs at Kheerganga are extremely important for Hindu and Sikh pilgrims as well as many others who believe the waters have sacred healing properties.

From Kheerganga to the site of Tunda Bhuj village (3285m) the Parvati Valley cuts a steep-sided gorge through the mountains and as the altitude increases, the thick, coniferous forest gradually makes way for patches of meadowland scattered with boulders. Several tributaries join the main Parvati River and numerous waterfalls cascade down the steep valley sides. Beyond Tunda Bhuj, the conifers continue only as far as the Basuki Nal tributary but groves of silver birch continue to line the valley, quickly becoming sparse as the altitude increases.

At Thakur Kuan village (3560m), the Parvati Valley meets the valley of Dibibokri Nal river which is a tributary of Parvati River, which climbs towards the Northeast to the Dibibokri Glacier and Dibibokri Pyramid mountain peak (6400m). The area is characterised by abundant alpine flowers and rocky outcrops glittering with mica. Beyond Thakur Kuan village, the Parvati Valley ascends gradually to Pandupul village (Pandu Pul) where two natural, rock bridges cross the Parvati River and a southern tributary. According to legend, these bridges were created by the massive strength of the Pandava brothers. From Pandupul, the wide valley of the upper Parvati valley climbs gradually through the wide, high-altitude meadowland of Odi Thatch to the sacred site of Mantalai Lake (4100m), the source of the Parvati River. Continuing east from Mantalai lake, it is possible to cross the Pin Parvati Pass (5319m) into the Pin Valley National Park and on to the Mudh village in the Lahul and Spiti district of Himachal Pradesh.

Parvati Valley's scenic trekking routes are a popular destination for trekkers and tourists.

Disappearances
According to journalist Harley Rustad’s 2022 non-fiction book Lost in the Valley of Death: Obsession and Danger in the Himalayas, dozens of tourists have mysteriously disappeared in the Parvati Valley.

As Rustad writes "...the Parvati Valley has earned its own nicknames: the Valley of shadows, the Valley of Death. It is a place where every movement exists on a knife edge, where a wrong turn tips a vehicle over an unbarriered cliff edge, a wrong step pitches a traveler into the churning maelstrom of the river, a wrong turn sends a hiker to ranges unknown. Since the early 1990s, dozens of international backpackers have vanished without a trace while traveling in and around the Parvati Valley, an average of one every year, earning this tiny, remote sliver of the subcontinent a dark reputation as India's backpacker Bermuda Triangle. Though the circumstances of each disappearance are different—the tourist's country of origin; villages visited or paths walked; last known location—yet eerily similar. All feature a spirited backpacker seeking an off-the-beaten-track adventure, a collection of anecdotes from fellow travelers relating the backpacker's final days, a family's anguished search, and thousands of unanswered questions."

Some of the high-profile disappearances include 2016’s Justin Shetler of the United States, 2015’s Bruno Muschalik of Poland, 1997’s Ardavan Taherzadeh of Canada, and 1996’s Ian Mogford of Britain.

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John Evans
"After being chosen as the home for Northwestern University, the city was incorporated in 1863, and named after John Evans."

By clicking on the last link one will find out that there are currently twelve men called John Evans listed on that disambiguation page. Which one gave Evanston its name?  23:00, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe that the correct John Evans is John Evans (state governor), per the Northwestern website, and I will correct the article accordingly.NatusRoma 23:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ridgeville
If it is going to be said that Evanston was once known as Ridgeville, it should be noted that that was forever and 6 years ago, when it consisted of a number of families I can count on my digits. I lived in Evanston for 12 years, and I had to look that up to make sure it was true. MikeNM 23:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It doesn't matter, that was the first name for the city. Besides, we still have an arts center with that name. Avalanche Knight 04:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

 * That's as may be. Ridgeville Arts Center doesn't really prove that the city was ever called Ridgeville; tons of places all over Chicago are called the Windy City something, but that doesn't mean the city was ever called Windy City.  It's not that I doubt that it's true (I don't), I just think the statement should be sourced.  ...The reason I'm bothered, though, is that at the beginning of the article, it says "Originally called Ridgeville", but later in the article it states that "the city was incorporated and named after John Evans", which rather seems to suggest that the city was named Evanston from the moment of its incorporation.  If Ridgeville was the name pre-incorporation, that should be noted. Thor Rudebeck 15:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

 * See the section I added below. I moved the Ridgeville reference to the history section, added the name the area was called before that, and added a reference I found. Ridveville was way bigger than Evanston, so it is misleading and inaccurate to say that Evanston was once known as Ridgeville. So was all of the north side of Chicago. Edison 15:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * There was never a town called Ridgeville which corresponded with the present day boundaries of Evanston. That was the name of a much larger geographic unit which preceded the incorporation of Evanston, and it was not the first name for land north of Chicago. Per the official Evanston History written by the League of Women Voters, the land extending indefinitely north of what is now Graceland Cemetary in Chicago was first known as the Grosse Pointe Territory, and settlers were there before 1836. There were 330 residents of Grosse Pointe Territory in the 1840 census. In 1850 the then Grosse Pointe District was renamed Ridgeville and extended from what is now Central Street, Evanston south to Irving Park Road in Chicago, a vastly larger area than present day Evanston. Methodists led by Evans founded Northwestern and filed a survey plat in 1854. The intro could say something like "Evanston was created out of the larger geographic unit which was called "Grosse Pointe Territory" in the 1830's and retitled Ridgeville in 1850." See "This is Evanston," League of Women Voters of Evanston, 2000, ISBN 09676994-0-1 pp8-18 Edison 15:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Edison 15:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Edison 's commentary and history above, entered in 2006(!), is correct. It is incorrect to say that Evanston was ever called Ridgeville. The current text reflects the accurate history, with cites to supporting sources. I have also combined the two separate, duplicative sections called Ridgeville on this Talk page.LakeAtNight (talk) 12:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Notable Evanstonians
The list seems to grow and grow...  I removed two, Zach Braff who attended Northwestern University but appears to have no other connection to Evanston, and Kayden Healy, since Googling her name turns up nothing to establish notability. -- DS1953 talk 19:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning Up the Intro
I think the intro could use some cleanup. Specifically, the information on the city government should be moved to 'Politics' (or perhaps that section should be renamed 'Politics and Government'), information on Evanston-Northwestern relations could be moved to 'Education' (which itself could use some cleanup and subheadings), etc. I hope to get started on this later today. I don't think it's a big undertaking, just requires some rethinking. I'm not planning on removing any text (other than for clarity) just shifting some stuff around. --Trillian1138 14:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Done!--Trillian1138 15:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Moving 'Notable People'
So I reorganized the notable people section (which was one big blob of text) to appear more similar to Notable citizens of Chicago and I'm wondering if 'notable people of evanston' shouldn't be moved to its own page. It reads much cleaner in list format than as a single paragraph, but takes up much more space. If no one chimes in (I can't imagine there are tons of people watching the Evanston Talk page....) I'll just move it. --Trillian1138 16:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning up Trivia Stuff
I've moved People from Evanston and Evanston in Fiction and Film to the end, as most wikipedia pages seem to have 'trivia'-type information (subjectively defined, I know) at the end of articles. In adidition, I'm removing the following "notable people" as a google search turned up little or nothing: Liz Carroll (born in Chicago), John Nance (couldn't find anything on the first Google page or in Wikipedia), John Williams (not the one of Star Wars fame, who isn't from Chicago, and couldn't find another), Maeve Dixon (getting vandalism, also couldn't find anything elsewhere),and Emmanuel Egwu. If someone could do further research on the other less well-known people in the list, I'd appreciate it. I may later, but don't have the time/energy right now. It just concerns me that the list seems to be growing at an unreasonable pace...

If I've removed someone who *is* notable and/or I incorrectly said wasn't from evanston, please put him/her back up and make a note. I'm sorry if that's the case - I promise it was an accident. --Trillian1138 04:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Trivia item 4 U: when growing up there, we noted that EVanston, ILlinois spells EVIL. Jidanni 05:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding Graduation Info to People?
Someone(s) (I'm guessing a single person) has been adding graduation info, specifically about New Trier, to a couple of people in the 'people from Evanston' section. I don't think this is appropriate info, as common Wikipedia standards seem to just list the name and why they are noteworthy. The info should be on the page for that specific person and, if no page exists, one should be created or the person should be removed from the list. If no one objects, I think will remove the extra info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trillian1138 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

E-Town and NU voting
So first, I think saying Evanston is referred to as 'E-Town' is fine because it's true. It's reasonable to mention that it's primarily called E-Town among youth, but it is often called E-Town.

Likewise, I was at the voting sessions on the redistricting and I'd certainly say that diluting NU students voting potential was an issue. I don't think the page should say it definitely happened, but that many people felt that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trillian1138 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Re: E-town - The criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. I know it's true.  I heard somebody call it that last night.  But has it been published?
 * You might be able to find a citation for the redistricting controversy in the Daily Northwestern archives... I seem to recall it was kind of a big deal. Thor Rudebeck — Preceding undated comment added 20:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

City of Churches
Histories of Evanston emphasize the importance of churches in the 19th century era of the town. With Northwestern founded by Methodists and a dry law enacted by them and Frances Willard as head of the WCTU, Evanston was labelled Heavenston" by Chicagoans. How about a section mentioning this, with a cite to the Evanston history mentioned in the previous section, and a listing of the churches and their web sites if any. First Methodist was founded in 1856. By 1864 it had been joined by First Baptist (1858), Presbyterian-Congregationalists(1866), St. Mary's Catholic Church (1866) and Episcopals (1864), Norwegian-Danish Methodist Episcopal(1870),Swedish Evangelical Lutheran(1888), Swedish Methodist(18??), and Swedish Baptist (18??). Early African-American congregations included Second Baptist (1880), Ebenezer African Methodist Episcopal(1880) and Mt. Zion Baptist 1894). German Catholics established St. Nicholas (1887) (p15, p17 op cit)Edison 15:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

High School
One or more anonymous editors have changed the article to read that the enrollment is over 4000. The latest Illinois state report card (2006) for ETHS gives the enrollment as just over 3000. That is a public document. If you have other numbers, please provide support.

Also, the same editors state that the school's orange and blue colors were "copied" by Oak Park High School. Since the Chicago Bears and the University of Illinois also have orange and blue, please state how the mere fact that another school has the same colors means that the school "copied" from ETHS. Please cite your source. -- DS1953 talk 23:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Controversy
I'm reading quite a bit of opinion in the real estate controvery section with not one reference to any fact or idea. Certainly no Neutral Point of View here. While some new homes in Evanston could be called McMansions, many of the current tear-downs were very small homes with no appeal to today's home buyers or older homes in severe disrepair.

There are some interesting facets of Evanston that could be included in this article:

Lots more to talk about in Evanston than "shaky" realtions with Northwestern University.I'm Nonpartisan 04:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That many small apartment building have been turned overnight into condos,
 * Some history of the developers who have been building huge towers and wish to build more huge towers,
 * Recent upgrades to the city's transportation infrastructure,
 * Park Districts inside of the city proper, such as Ridgeville,
 * Huge city park system and lakefront use/protection,
 * Dog parks,
 * Sanitary canal, bike paths along it, canoeing center,
 * Main St. shopping area for Persian Rugs and Antiques,
 * Central St. shopping area for independent stores, collectibles and interior design,
 * Register of Historic Places: lists of houses by famous architects,
 * Two-Way Immersion and African-Centered Curriculum, both experimental curriculum's designed by D65 to raise the academic achivement of minority populations,
 * Percentage of minority and low-income populations in public schools,
 * Surprising growth of Hispanic community
 * Historic Districts such as the Oakton Historic District

 * Rivalry between north and south (southy) Evanston  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.89.187.155 (talk) 06:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Shannon PIckett
It is very sad and distressing that a young man from ETHS was murdered perhaps by another young man attending ETHS, but crime reporting is not appropriate on an encyclopedia page. If you are going to report one crime, then why not every crime. It is also important to know that the writers and editors on Wikipedia are not reporters. All facts and subjects should be supported by references. The story on the murder of Mr. Pickett is still unfolding. If you want to write about current events, then find the section on true crime on Wikipedia and do it there where you can reference trusted sources like the Chicago Tribune and the Evanston Review. You may not be your own reporter.--I'm Nonpartisan 02:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Images
Does anybody have any other images of Evanston? The current images are not very flattering (not that all images on Wikipedia have to be flattering...it's just that these really do not do Evanston justice). Wikipediarul e s 2221 03:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Private Schools
The list of private schools could be much better. I noticed at least one school missing (St. Athanasius K-8) There could be more schools. Please check. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WSoxfan86 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Local media; vandalism, section removal
I am hoping some responsible editors can add this article to their watchlist because it is susceptible to vandalism. At one time all the local papers and several of the more trafficked websites were listed under local media; they've all been disappeared so that only the college paper appears. Removing these references is a real disservice to readers who might be looking for information on Evanston, Illinois. I am going to try to restore. Please discuss before re-removing.

A fellow who seems to spend most of his time editing his father's web page removed the entire notable people section without any discussion here, apparently.

The film section seems to have been drastically abbreviated; again, whoever did it didn't leave a trial on this Talk page which would have been appropriate.

For such an active town this is a very spotty article. The "controversies" are mainly old and not up to date.Ouilmette (talk) 04:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)Ouilmette

 * As I explained earlier, the local media links were removed because Wikipedia is not a linkfarm. The college paper was included because it is notable enough that it has it's own article. If any of the other papers/media sources have their own article, they can be included too. TN X Man  13:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree that, if there's going to be a media section, papers besides the Daily Northwestern should be included. It's very misleading to only list the DN when the vast majority of Evanstonians get their local news from either the Review or Roundtable, not the DN. My preference would be to err on the side of overinclusion and list both those in addition to the DN, but if you insist on deleting them again, just incorporate the Daily Northwestern somewhere in the text and get rid of the media heading. Brindle21 (talk) 01:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Listing local newspapers is not a "linkfarm." Terribly inaccurate characterization. Such a list provides useful info to researchers incl. the wikipedia community. Having your own article is not the mark of notability. The Evanston Review, for example, is the successor to the Evanston Digest and has been around for more than a century; it and the other Pioneer papers have won many awards. Deleting more widely-read, more respected media and leaving only the Daily NU is at best misleading and more like vandalism.Ouilmette (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I have restored the local media that User:Tnxman307 has once again deleted. Despite the fact that everyone except him thinks that the other local media are relevant to the article, he has taken it upon himself to impose his personal idiosyncratic view on the article. -- DS1953 talk 20:55, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sustainability Section
What is the point of it? If Evanston truly is a leader in green building/sustainability, then a brief paragraph showing that would be appropriate. As it is, this just reads like bureaucratic platitudes. Who cares what Evanston (i.e. the city council, I assume) "vows" to do? And a paragraph on the fact that the city has issued a "Request for Information" on the feasibility of a wind farm? The only tangible accomplishments pointed to in this section are two buildings and bike lanes. The section is way too long and out of place in the article. I propose either compressing it and moving to the government and politics section, or starting a culture section that focuses on the progressiveness and unique racial/socioeconomic mix. Brindle21 (talk) 01:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Simply deleting this section without first marking it for possible deletion and/or informing the authors was inappropriate. Also, your reasons for doing so are opinion. Evanston's proposals and projects have gained national attention. Constructive editing may in fact be needed, but Evanston's sustainability efforts, right or wrong, have made front-page and even national news and are a large part of the current story about the city. Moreover, if a section is "too long" because it has so much content -- and much of this section was referenced -- it would be better to make it a separate article. I am undoing the deletion but will take a look at streamlining the section (which I did not create).Ouilmette (talk) 18:42, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I discussed my rationale on the talk page and the edit stood for weeks without reversion, so I don't see how you can call it inappropriate. Be bold, right? I agree with you that a small fraction of the section is notable, but most of it is not. Fleeting media coverage doesn't justify a section that is out of all proportion to the main article. Evanston has received national attention in recent years for implementing an Afrocentric curriculum in some (one?) elementary schools and eliminating honors-only classes at the high school, among other things. That coverage doesn't justify a long discussion of those initiatives in this article, and this media coverage of the sustainability initiatives doesn't justify a long discussion here.
 * My main objection to the section still stands, which is that it reads like a press release by the city council and points to almost nothing that is both tangible and notable. Bureaucracies study proposals, issue platitudes, and form committees all the time. Doing those things with an eye on sustainability does not make them notable.
 * In my opinion, the main article is worse with the section present; therefore I deleted it. I'll try to find a way to incorporate the notable and relevant parts into the main article, but I plan on deleting the section again in a few days unless you propose a better idea.Brindle21 (talk) 17:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Photo request
Now the List of RHPs in Evanston is fully illustrated. Thanks. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 13:38, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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No numbered roads
Out of boredom, I was just scanning Google maps, only to notice: there are no state or federally numbered roads through Evanston. Anyone know why that is? Out of curiosity. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 20:08, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Heavenston?
The reference given for this nickname (http://www.epl.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=216&Itemid=327) is ambiguous as to whether it is a historical or current nickname. Any evidence anybody still calls it that? Ace-o-aces2 (talk) 19:30, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 * From ChicagoNow, 2012 I find"What The Hell's Going On In "Heavenston"? discussing gun violence in the minority area around the high school. There is no explanation of what the writer meant by "Heavenston" implying it is a wellknown nickname. A 2007 writing says "Evanston (or, as some dweebs would call it, Heavenston)" and also refer to it a "E-town," a nickname you removed as unreferenced. A Google search shown lots of use of "E-town" but I didn't find much by way of references for it, ironically. A 2014 publication of Chicago Scholarship online uses the term Heavenston for Evanston and notes "In the mid-nineteenth century a group of Methodist ministers founded Northwestern University infusing Evanston’s economic, political, and cultural life with a religious morality." A "Heavenston Eatery" restaurant opened in 2015 near the high school. An historical article at the Evanston Library site says "Evanston, Chicago's Godly neighbor, "Heavenston" as the good Frances E. Willard used to call it, was in those days at least rather Methodist minded." In the then-Methodist dominated town, Willard founded the Prohibition-oriented Women's Christian Temperance Union, and allegedly got the city to outlaw icecream sodas on Sunday, leading to the invention of the "Ice Cream Sundae." A Chicago Tribune article on Evanston's 150 year anniversity says that the Methodists who bought up land to establish Northwestern University set a high moral standard for the town, and by law forbade sale of alcohol within  4 miles of the college boundaries. The town stayed "dry" until the 1970's. The NU spokesman was quoted "At one time, in fact, Evanston was nicknamed "Heavenston," inspired by the town's strong base of faith and temperance, Cubbage said." The town was dry, religious, and moralistic. Neighboring towns' use of the nickname may not have been so much compliment as ridicule.That it was also an historical name is shown by a 1906 history of Northwestern which calls "Is this Heavenston" a "trite question" asked by tourists about Evanston. An 1890 publication by the NEA quoted a student as saying "This town is Evanston, and as we Methodists like to call it, Heavenston..." [Francis Willard herself used the term Heavenston" in her 1891 history of Evanston.  [[User:Edison|Edison]] (talk) 21:19, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

addition of unsourced and apparently non-noteworthy content
Hey, IP! What we add to Wikipedia needs to have citations to reliable sources, and it needs to be worthy of noting. If none of these restaurants have articles, they aren't notable restaurants and likely aren't 'notable restaurants.' Ditto the student newspaper for a local high school. Let's discuss before you add this back in. --valereee (talk) 11:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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Crowleymass

Crowleymass is an EP released in 1987 by the English group Current 93, led by David Tibet. Crowleymass originally appeared on a 12” vinyl record through Maldoror and was later reissued in 1997 on CD format through Durtro, the record company owned by David Tibet. This reissue contained a bonus track titled “I Arise”. With four songs, this record was produced by Icelandic renowned musician Hilmar Örn Hilmarsson and had the collaboration of guitar player Guðlaugur Kristinn Óttarsson; former Strawberry Switchblade backing vocalist Rose McDowall, J. Sen and Nyarlathotep's Idiot Flute Players.

With a more danceable orientation as compared with previous works (excepting the uncharacteristically heavy metal-like "I Arise"), Crowleymass is considered a cult collectible by gothic rock and industrial music followers.

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