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It is interesting that this article can talk about this trade route and avoid mentioning the Varangians as anything but a geographic location.--Wiglaf 06:36, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * You are more than welcome to add info about the Varangians. If you followed the COTW discussion of this article, there are very few books on this topic. I translated this text from the Soviet Encyclopedia. Obviously, they paid more attention to Kievan Rus'. KNewman 06:46, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course :).--Wiglaf 07:03, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Title
The title of the article sounds kind of strange...it needs to be "more English-sounding." That's the best way I can describe it. Right now it sounds like, yes, you translated it from Russian :) "The Viking Road to Byzantium" is the name (in English) of a book on this subject, but that probably wouldn't work. What about "Varangian-Byzantine trade route", or something like that? Adam Bishop 04:10, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. The name of the article is a direct translation from Russian and Varangian-Byzantine trade route sounds more idiomatic. Would KNewman object to renaming the article?--Wiglaf 07:13, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind, of course. I just wasn't sure about its official name in English, so I translated it word for word. KNewman 02:07, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * discussion continues under "Idäntien Kulkijat" below...--HilmarHansWerner (talk) 10:53, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Idäntien Kulkijat = Eastway Wanderers
This is in my opinion the correct transliteration for the Varakkis / Varjags (armed Pedlars) who travelled through Roshland to Constantinople, Byzantium (Miikkeli / Miklagård / Miklagard) and to Caspian Sea along Valgia (Valka) Raw, Itel, later Russians Volga. The Rootshis / Ruotshis appeared to these river routes c. after 550. They left their mark to Russian history in place names which exists still today. Originally they were not of Scandinavian origin, but of Finno Baltic origin. The Scandinavian pedlars joined later, c. 750 - 850 to Eastway Wanderers. They have not left any signigicant place names in todays Russian map exept Novgorod, (Nygård) which in fact, had also at least eight other names. The key is knowledge of Finno Ugrian languages.

Suomenlahti / Soomelaht / Finskaviken /Kvenoviken = Bay of Finland (Kvenoland) Nevajoki = Neva River (neva = march, swamp, fen) = Fen River

Nevajärvi, later Laatokka = Lake Fen (Russian Ozero Ladozhkoje)

Alavanmaanjoki,later Olhavanjoki = Low Land River (Russian Reka Volhov)

Ilmajärvi, Ilmjärv = Air Lake (Russian Ozero Ilmen)

Palajoki = Bit River (Russian Reka Pola)

Valtavan mäet = Enermous Hills (Russian Kheberet Valdai ) = Valdai Uphills or Valdai Uplands.

Rootshien / Ruotshien Kannas = Rosh Isthmus ( Roshihij Peresheek)

Valgiajogi (Valkajoki) = White River (Russian Mother Volga)

Raw = Mordvan name of Valgia River

Itel = Tatar (Turkic) name for Valgia / Volga River

Väinäjoki = Latvian Daugava River, (Russian Zapadnaja Dvina)

Tesnajoki = (Russian Desna)

Lovattijoki = (Russian Reka Lovat)

Dnjepr (already in area settled by Eastern Slavs, no ancient Finno Baltic name traced yet)

Kijav, Kijev = Kvenugård / Kvenugard / Kainuunlinna / Kywa

JN

 * Your source seems to have purged the account of Scandinavians, so I did some fact checking, and checked with the source you refer to :). Concerning the name, there is no "official" name in English. Adam Bishop thinks that it does not sound idiomatic in English, and perhaps the "varangian road to Byzantium" would be the most accurate solution.--Wiglaf 08:16, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I have tried to Google the most common name for this route in English, and changed the name. I hope that nobody objects.--Wiglaf 15:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Should be moved to Varangian-Greek Trade Route. --Macarion 00:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Magocsi (A History of Ukraine, 1996) refers to it by the translated name in quotation marks, as the “watercourse ‘from the Varangians to the Greeks’”. I think the current title Trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks is fine. —Michael Z. 2006-09-21 18:08 Z

I have finally moved to a more idiomatic title. Adam Bishop 08:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, Ghirlandajo, we discussed this a year and a half ago, what is the problem now? Adam Bishop 16:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There are absolutely no references or precedence for "Varangian-Byzantine trade route", it is a neologism! Moving back to the old name; this is how it has been known for a millenium. -- Petri Krohn 21:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * why should one not introduce the simple term "the varangian route" or "the viking route" (better because more people would understand it immediately), including the volga-branch in the notion, like everbody talks about the "silk road" which also had serveral branches and ends... a substantial difference would be that "the viking route" was not a 'road' but mostly a water-way (for that reason the general term route would be more suitable). one could then distinguish between the branches "the viking-route to byzantium" and "the viking-route to bagdad". --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 10:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

First steps to a map

I've made an initial version of a map with locations plotted for this article, at Image:Route from the Varangians to the Greeks.png. It still needs the actual route plotted, but it's easy to recreate in line-art format, if you're handy with Illustrator. Details are on the image description page.

For an example of how it should look, see Magocsi (1996) A History of Ukraine, p. 59. —Michael Z. 2006-09-22 02:04 Z
 * who put the albanians on the map? wha that's a good joke.89.205.59.137 (talk) 20:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Rapid names and translations
The names for the rapids, spelling and above all, meanings are definetly more ambiguous than given here. See Blöndal: "The Varangians of Byzantium" and Ellis Davidson "The Viking Road to Byzantium". In general it appears that this article is based on a very narrow source of information. Aiforr 03:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not up the Western Dvina River??
can anyboldy please explain why the vikings/varangians took the route via newa, wolchow and lowat instead of going through riga and directly into and up the western dvina river?? political-military reasons?? thank you? --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 10:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Interests of the German Merchants?
could somebody give me clues if there existed a provable interest of the germans, particularly the german merchants from the rich south, who, as far as I know, were behind the financing of the activities of the teutonic knights to establish prussia (i.e. a trade bridge head to the baltic sea), in pushing north-eastwards to get into touch with the viking-trade-system with its links to the near and the far east via the silk-road? did they want to open up an alternative to going through the (expensive) spheres of influence of venice and genoa? was that a (substantial) motive of the german settlement-movement called "colonization of the east"? thanx! --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 10:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Map of contemporary politics....
...sorry, but these map shows contemporary politics and not just the described route from the chronicles through Kiev and Novgorod which brought the East Slavs the religion, alphabet, traditions.

The purple route from the first map shows the original route which is described here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/d/dd/20090308155934%21Varangian_routes.png

but a more accurate map is here without all these politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks.png (18.283, 57.633, Visby (Gotland) 17.717, 59.617, Sigtuna 32.300, 59.983, Staraya Ladoga 31.267, 58.533, Novgorod 28.800, 55.483, Polatsk 32.050, 54.783, Smolensk 31.300, 51.500, Chernihiv 30.500, 50.583, Vyshhorod [hidden: overlaps Kiev] 30.523, 50.450, Kiev 29.000, 41.000, Constantinople)

The route began in Scandinavian trading centers such as Birka, Hedeby, and Gotland, crossed the Baltic Sea, entered the Gulf of Finland, and followed the Neva River into Lake Ladoga. Then it followed the Volkhov River upstream past the towns of Staraya Ladoga and Velikiy Novgorod, crossed Lake Ilmen, and continued up the Lovat River, the Kunya River and possibly the Seryozha River [ru]. From there, a portage led to the Toropa River [ru] and downstream to the Western Dvina River. From the Western Dvina, the ships went upstream along the Kasplya River and were portaged again to the Katyn River, a tributary of the Dnieper. Along the Dnieper, the route crossed several major rapids and passed through Kiev. After entering the Black Sea, it followed its west coast to Constantinople

This article and map is just politics and nothing more. From a culturally standpoint these map is very bad and it even looks, sorry to say that, like manipulation--85.212.189.130 (talk) 01:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

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How I Won the War

How I Won the War is a 1967 British black comedy film starring Michael Crawford, Jack MacGowran, Roy Kinnear, Lee Montague, and John Lennon in his only non-musical acting role. The film, which was directed and produced by Richard Lester, is based upon the 1963 novel of the same name by Patrick Ryan.

The film uses a variety of styles such as vignettes, straight-to-camera, and docu-drama to tell the tale of the fictional 3rd Troop, the 4th Musketeers and their misadventures through the Second World War. The screenplay takes a comic and absurdist attitude towards the conflict through the Western Desert Campaign in mid-late 1942 to the crossing of the last intact bridge on the Rhine at Remagen in early 1945.

Synopsis
Lieutenant Goodbody is an inept, idealistic, naïve, and almost relentlessly jingoistic wartime-commissioned (not regular) officer. One of the main subversive themes in the film is the platoon's repeated attempts or temptations to kill or otherwise rid themselves of their complete liability of a commander.

While Goodbody's ineptitude and attempts at derring-do lead to the gradual demise of the unit, he survives, together with the unit's persistent deserter and another of his charges who become confined to psychiatric care. Every time a character is killed, he is replaced by an actor in bright red, blue, or green-coloured Second World War uniform, whose face is also coloured and obscured so that he appears to be a living toy soldier. This reinforces Goodbody's repeated comparisons of war to playing a game.

Cast

 * Michael Crawford as Lieutenant Earnest Goodbody
 * John Lennon as Gripweed
 * Roy Kinnear as Clapper
 * Lee Montague as Sergeant/Corporal of Musket Transom
 * Jack MacGowran as Juniper
 * Michael Hordern as Grapple
 * Jack Hedley as Melancholy Musketeer
 * Karl Michael Vogler as Odlebog
 * Ronald Lacey as Spool
 * James Cossins as Drogue
 * Ewan Hooper as Dooley
 * Alexander Knox as American General Omar Bradley
 * Robert Hardy as British General
 * Sheila Hancock as Mrs. Clapper's Friend
 * Charles Dyer as Flappy-Trousered Man
 * Bill Dysart as Paratrooper
 * Paul Daneman as Skipper
 * Peter Graves as Staff Officer
 * Jack May as Toby
 * Richard Pearson as Old Man at Alamein
 * Pauline Taylor as Woman in Desert
 * John Ronane as Operator
 * Norman Chappell as Soldier at Alamein
 * Bryan Pringle as Reporter
 * Fanny Carby as Mrs. Clapper
 * Dandy Nichols as 1st Old Lady
 * Gretchen Franklin as 2nd Old Lady
 * John Junkin as Large Child
 * John Trenaman as Driver
 * Mick Dillon as 1st Replacement
 * Kenneth Colley as 2nd Replacement

Writing
In writing the script, the author, Charles Wood, borrowed themes and dialogue from his surreal and bitterly dark (and banned) anti-war play Dingo. In particular the character of the spectral clown "Juniper" is closely modelled on the Camp Comic from the play, who likewise uses a blackly comic style to ridicule the fatuous glorification of war. Goodbody narrates the film retrospectively, more or less, while in conversation with his German officer captor, "Odlebog", at the Rhine bridgehead in 1945. From their duologue emerges another key source of subversion – the two officers are in fact united in their class attitudes and officer-status contempt for (and ignorance of) their men. While they admit that the question of the massacre of Jews might divide them, they equally admit that it is not of prime concern to either of them. Goodbody's jingoistic patriotism finally relents when he accepts his German counterpart's accusation of being, in principle, a Fascist. They then resolve to settle their disagreements on a commercial basis (Odlebog proposes selling Goodbody the last intact bridge over the Rhine; in the novel the bridge is identified as that at Remagen) which could be construed as a satire on unethical business practices and capitalism. This sequence also appears in the novel. Fascism amongst the British is previously mentioned when Gripweed (Lennon's character) is revealed to be a former follower of Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists, though Colonel Grapple (played by Michael Hordern) sees nothing for Gripweed to be embarrassed about, stressing that "Fascism is something you grow out of". One monologue in the film concerns Musketeer Juniper's lament – while impersonating a high-ranked officer – about how officer material is drawn from the working and lower class, and not (as it used to be) from the feudal aristocracy.

Development
Lester decided to make several changes from the source material. For example, the novel does not have an absurdist/surrealist tone like the film. The novel represents a far more conservative, structured (though still comic) war memoir, told by a sarcastically naïve and puerile Lieutenant Goodbody in the first person. It follows an authentic chronology of the war consistent with one of the long-serving regular infantry units – for example of the 4th Infantry Division – such as the 2nd Royal Fusiliers, including (unlike the film) the campaigns in Italy and Greece. Rather than surrealism the novel offers some quite chillingly vivid accounts of Tunis and Cassino. Patrick Ryan served as an infantry and then a reconnaissance officer in the war. Throughout, the author's bitterness at the pointlessness of war, and the battle of class interests in the hierarchy, are common to the film, as are most of the characters (though the novel predictably includes many more than the film).

In the novel, Patrick Ryan chose not to identify a real army unit. The officers chase wine and glory, the soldiers chase sex and evade the enemy. The model is a regular infantry regiment forced, in wartime, to accept temporarily commissioned officers like Goodbody into its number, as well as returning reservists called back into service. In both world wars this has provided a huge bone of contention for regular regiments, where the exclusive esprit de corps is highly valued and safeguarded. The name Musketeers recalls the Royal Fusiliers, but the later mention of the "Brigade of Musketeers" recalls the Brigade of Guards. In the film, the regiment is presented as a cavalry regiment (armoured with tanks or light armour, such as the half-tracks) that has been adapted to "an independent role as infantry". The platoon of the novel has become a troop, a Cavalry designation. None of these features come from the novel, such as the use of half-tracks and Transom's appointment as "corporal of musket", which suggests the cavalry rank corporal of horse. These aspects are most likely due to the screenwriter Charles Wood being a former regular army cavalryman.

Filming
Filming took place during the autumn of 1966 in the German state of Lower Saxony, at the Bergen-Hohne Training Area, Verden an der Aller and Achim, as well as the Province of Almería in Spain. Lennon, taking a break from the Beatles, was asked by Lester to play Musketeer Gripweed. To prepare for the role, Lennon had a haircut, contrasting sharply with his mop-top image. During filming, he started wearing round "granny" glasses (the same type of glasses worn by the film's screenwriter, Charles Wood); the glasses became iconic as the nearsighted Lennon mainly wore this particular style of glasses for the rest of his life. A photo of Lennon in character as Gripweed found its way into many print publications, including the front page of the first issue of Rolling Stone in November 1967. Beatles friend, and soon to be head of Apple Corps, Neil Aspinall has a cameo role as a soldier.

During his stay in Almería, Lennon had rented a villa called Santa Isabel that he and wife Cynthia Lennon shared with both his co-star Michael Crawford and his then wife, Gabrielle Lewis. The villa's wrought-iron gates and surrounding lush vegetation bore a resemblance to Strawberry Field, a Salvation Army garden near Lennon's childhood home; it was this observation that inspired Lennon to write "Strawberry Fields Forever" while filming. The villa was later turned into the House of Cinema, a museum dedicated to the history of movie production in Almería province. A Spanish film, Living Is Easy with Eyes Closed (2013), revolves around the filming in Almería.

From 28 to 29 December 1966, Lennon recorded all post-synchronisation work for his character at Twickenham Film Studios in London, England.

Release
The film's release was delayed by six months as Richard Lester went on to work on Petulia (1968) shortly after completing How I Won the War.

Reception
The film holds a "rotten" 44% rating at the film review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, receiving 9 negative reviews out of 16. In his review for the film, Roger Ebert gave the movie two stars, describing it as "not a brave or outspoken film". John Simon called it "pretentious tomfoolery" and Monthly Film Bulletin felt "that Lester has bitten off more than he can chew".

Stanley Kauffmann of The New Republic described How I Won the War as "the most ruthless mockery of the killer instinct and of patriotism that has ever reached the screen".

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Red-crowned woodpecker

The red-crowned woodpecker (Melanerpes rubricapillus) is a species of bird in the subfamily Picinae of the woodpecker family Picidae. It is found in Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, and Tobago.

Taxonomy and systematics
The red-crowned woodpecker has sometimes been placed in the genus Centurus. It has also sometimes been treated as conspecific with the Yucatan woodpecker (M. pygmaeus) and some authors consider them a superspecies.

The red-crowned woodpecker has these four subspecies:

 * M. r. rubricapillus (Cabanis, 1862)
 * M. r. subfusculus (Wetmore, 1957)
 * M. r. seductus Bangs, 1901
 * M. r. paraguanae (Gilliard, 1940)

The validity of subspecies M. r. paraguanae has been challenged, and some other subspecies have been proposed but not accepted as valid.

Description
The red-crowned woodpecker is 16 to 18.5 cm long and weighs 40 to 65 g. The sexes' plumage is alike except for their head pattern. Adult males of the nominate subspecies have a pale yellow to whitish forehead, a bright red crown, and an orange-red nape and hindneck. Adult females have the same pale yellow to whitish forehead but a pale gray-buff to whitish crown and a reddish to orange-red nape and hindneck. Both sexes' cheeks, chin, and throat are grayish-buff. Their mantle and back are barred black and white and the rump and uppertail coverts are unbarred white. Their flight feathers are black with white bars throughout. Their tail is black with white bars on the central and outermost pairs of feathers. Their underparts are variable but usually buffish-gray to gray-buff with an olive or yellowish wash and a reddish to orange-red patch on the central belly. Their lower flanks and undertail coverts have black bars. Their bill is longish and blackish, their iris is red to brown, the bare skin around the eye gray-brown, and the legs gray. Juveniles are duller and browner than adults, their nape and hindneck are paler, their upperparts' bars less contrasting, their underparts often lightly streaked, and their belly patch paler and somewhat mottled.

Subspecies M. r. subfusculus is slightly smaller than the nominate and has darker underparts whose breast and sides are deep gray-brown. M. r. seductus has a somewhat darker breast than the nominate and the female has more red on the nape. M. r. paraguanae has a paler yellow forehead than the nominate, a buff-brown nape and yellower hindneck, wider white bars on its upperside, and a golden-yellow belly patch.

Distribution and habitat
The subspecies of red-crowned woodpecker are found thus:

 * M. r. rubricapillus, from southwestern Costa Rica through Panama into northern and central Colombia, in the northern half of Venezuela, in Guyana and Suriname, and on Tobago
 * M. r. subfusculus, Coiba Island off southwestern Panama
 * M. r. seductus, Isla del Rey off southeastern Panama
 * M. r. paraguanae, the Paraguaná Peninsula of northwestern Venezuela

The red-crowned woodpecker inhabits a wide variety of landscapes, both wet and dry. These include the interior, clearings, and edges of mature deciduous forests, secondary forests, coastal scrublands, mangroves, plantations and gardens. In elevation, it mostly occurs from sea level to 1700 m but reaches as high as 1900 m in Venezuela.

Movement
The red-crowned woodpecker is a year-round resident throughout its range.

Feeding
The red-crowned woodpecker's diet includes a large amount of fruits and berries including cultivated ones like papayas and bananas. Another major portion is many types of insects and spiders, but fewer larvae of wood-boring beetles than many woodpeckers. It also takes nectar from flowers. The species forages at all levels of its habitat but favors the middle and lower strata. It is typically seen singly or in pairs. It feeds by probing, gleaning, and hammering for insects, and by reaching for fruit which it pierces or pecks open when too large to swallow whole. It will take fruit from feeders, and is "considered a nuisance locally in plantations and gardens because of its fruit-eating habits."

Breeding
The red-crowned woodpecker's breeding season varies geographically, spanning February to July in Costa Rica and Panama, May to June in Colombia, May to November in Venezuela, and March to July in Tobago. It sometimes raises two broods in a year. Pairs stay together year-round. Both sexes excavate the nest hole, typically in a large tree trunk or branch or a large cactus; fence posts are also used. Nests are usually between 3 and 23 m above the ground. The clutch size is three or four eggs but usually only two young fledge. Both parents incubate the eggs for the 10-day period. Fledging occurs 31 to 33 days after hatch and both parents care for the nestlings, and also for fledglings for at least a month.

Vocal and non-vocal sounds
The red-crowned woodpecker's typical call is "often wavering and protracted with an abrupt terminal note, e.g. 'churr, churr, krr-r-r-r'." It also makes a "'wícka, wícka' in display" and "chattering calls". Both sexes drum during the breeding season and also tap more softly near the nest hole.

Status
The IUCN has assessed the red-crowned woodpecker as being of Least Concern. It has a large range and its estimated population of at least a half million mature individuals is believed to be stable. No immediate threats have been identified. It is considered common in most of its range and abundant in Costa Rica and Panama; it occurs in several protected areas. It might "benefit from forest clearance; numbers tend to increase in areas where thinning and clearance creates more open woodland."

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Lakes of Foo --> Lakes in Foo
More logical naming convention. Again, we could get a bot to do it: --165.161.3.12 14:57, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Category:Lakes of Africa --> Category:Lakes in Africa
 * Category:Lakes of Antarctica --> Category:Lakes in Antarctica
 * Category:Lakes of Asia --> Category:Lakes in Asia
 * Category:Lakes of Australia --> Category:Lakes in Australia
 * Category:Lakes of Europe --> Category:Lakes in Europe
 * Category:Lakes of North America --> Category:Lakes in North America
 * Category:Lakes of South America --> Category:Lakes in South America
 * Support. -Kbdank71 15:08, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please be reminded to put on the tag for block renaming.   — Instantnood 15:30, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep current logical naming convention goes the other way. Natural features use "of", man-made features use "in". Look up all the other changes in natural feature categories from about February of this year.  Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 02:05, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support keep, Mountains of... sounds right as well. I suppose it's because they are part of a country, rather than placed in it. Greg Robson 16:16, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Han Chinese subgroups

The Han Chinese people can be defined into subgroups based on linguistic, cultural, ethnic, genetic, and regional features. The terminology used in Mandarin to describe the groups is: "minxi" (, pronounced ), used in mainland China or "zuqun" (, pronounced ), used in Taiwan. No Han subgroup is recognized as one of People's Republic of China's 56 official ethnic groups, in Taiwan only three subgroups, Hoklo, Hakka and Waishengren are recognized.

Mandarin-speaking groups
Mandarin, also known as the Northern dialects, is the largest of the Chinese languages. Even in regions where non-Mandarin speakers historically dominated, Mandarin is being brought in as a lingua franca. The Mandarin-speaking groups are the largest group in mainland China, but in the diaspora the Min, Hakka and Cantonese dialects are more numerous. The Dungan people of Central Asia are native Central Plains Mandarin-speaking Hui peoples. Other notable Mandarin-speaking peoples include the Sichuanese people and Jianghuai people.
 * Total Native Han Speakers: 885,000,000

Jianghuai people
The Jianghuai people distribute in the Jianghuai region between the Yangtze river (Jiang, 江) and the Huai river (淮) in central Anhui and central Jiangsu. The Lower Yangtze Mandarin or the Jianghuai Mandarin is distinctive from other Mandarin dialects. The main dialects of the language is the Nanjing dialect.

Jiao-Liao people
The Jiao-Liao people are distributed on both Jiaodong Peninsula and Liaodong Peninsula. Since pre-historical periods, the 2 peninsulas have been closely related, culturally, economically etc. Their strong relationship is partly attributed to Miaodao Archipalegos (see Changdao County) in between the Bohai Strait, because they made the inter-strait voyage easier. The 2 peninsulas are both surrounded by the Bohai Sea to the west and the Yellow Sea to all other directions.

The Jiaoliao Mandarin differs from neighboring dialects significantly (e.g., Jilu Mandarin, Northeastern Mandarin), possibly due to the lack of population interchange and the insularity of Jiao-Liao Culture. Rongcheng dialect is the most archaic form of Jiaoliao Mandarin is from Rongcheng, in terms of vocabulary and pronunciation.

Sichuanese people
The Sichuanese people are centered around Chongqing and Sichuan. The Southwestern Mandarin are also the lingua Franca in Guangxi and Hubei.

Wu-speaking groups
Wu-speaking peoples, in particular, are concentrated in the Yangtze River basin (southern Jiangsu, the whole Shanghai, most of Zhejiang and parts of southern Anhui), northern Fujian, and northeastern Jiangxi. Scattered remnants of Wu-speaking Chinese are found in other parts of China, such as in Guizhou, Sichuan, Chongqing and Xinjiang, as a result after 1964. Most of them outside of Jiangnan region usually speak variants of Taihu Wu dialects. Wu Chinese is spoken chiefly in the Wu region. Jiangnanese people consist of both Shanghainese people and Ningbo people, as well as other ethnic Han in Jiangnan. They mostly speak variants of Taihu Wu Chinese. Other languages spoken are Jianghuai Mandarin and Xuanzhou Wu Chinese.
 * Total Native Han Speakers: 77,175,000

The Shanghainese people are centered around Shanghai and speak the Shanghainese dialect of Wu. Ningbo people are another Wu-speaking Chinese group and speak the Ningbo dialect. Wenzhou people are a Wu-speaking Chinese group who speak Wenzhounese. Though a significant minority are also speakers of a dialect of Min Nan known as Zhenan Min. If Huizhou Chinese was fully considered to be a subdivision of Wu Chinese, then people from Huizhou are considered to be Wu-speaking.

Wu Chinese is also spoken by a minuscule minority, particularly by mainlanders, both in Taiwan and in Hong Kong, as also other overseas Chinese communities.

Yue-speaking groups
Yue or Cantonese speakers are predominant in the Pearl River basin (western-central Guangdong and eastern-central Guangxi), as well as in Hong Kong and Macau. The Yue dialects spoken in Guangxi province are mutually intelligible with Cantonese. For instance, Wuzhou is about 120 miles upstream from Guangzhou, but its dialect is more like that of Guangzhou than is that of Taishan which is 60 miles southwest of Guangzhou and separated by several rivers from it. Cantonese is also spoken by some locals in Hainan. For example, the Mai dialect which is closely related to Cantonese, is spoken in Hainan Province.
 * Total Native Han Speakers: 66,000,000

There are Cantonese-speaking communities in Southeast Asia, particularly in Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, and to a lesser extent, in Indonesia. Many Cantonese emigrants, particularly Taishanese peoples, also migrated to United States and Canada, and later in Australia and New Zealand as well. As a result, Cantonese continues to be widely used by Chinese communities of Guangzhou and Hong Kong/Macau origin in the Western World and has not been completely supplanted by Mandarin.

Min-speaking groups
Min speakers are scattered throughout southern China but mostly concentrated on provinces of Fujian and Hainan, with some parts in Guangdong (especially in Chaoshan), the tip of southern Zhejiang and Taiwan.
 * Total Native Han Speakers of Min (all groups): 60,000,000

There are several main dialects in Min Chinese. The Fuzhou dialect of Min Dong, is spoken by the Fuzhou people who are native to the city of Fuzhou. The dialect of Puxian Min is represented by the Putian people (also known as Xinghua or Henghua), the Puxian-speaking people are native to Puxian.

The Hokkien dialects of Min Nan spoken in Southern Fujian and Taiwan is the largest Min division and spoken by larger Hoklo population compared to other Min dialects. Furthermore, Hokkien is further extended into other unique Min Nan groups who speaks variants of the Min Nan dialect. The Teochew people who are native to eastern Guangdong and Hainanese people who are native of Hainan island are all Min Nan dialect groups. The dialect of Cangnan, which is Zhenan Min, is spoken in Wenzhou, Zhejiang. Outside of mainland China and Taiwan, Min Nan also make up the biggest Chinese dialect group among the overseas Chinese populations in Southeast Asia such as Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines.

Xiang-speaking groups
Xiang speakers mostly live in Hunan province, and so are often called Hunanese people. Xiang-speaking people are also found in the adjacent provinces of Hubei, Jiangxi and Sichuan. The Xiangnan Tuhua users are the minority ethnic subgroup in this region.
 * Total Native Han Speakers: 36,015,000

Hakka-speaking groups
The Hakka people speaks Hakka and are predominant in parts of Guangdong, Guangxi, Fujian, Jiangxi and Taiwan. They are one of the largest groups found among the Ethnic Han in Southeast Asia.
 * Total Native Han Speakers: 34,000,000

Gan Chinese-speaking groups
The origin of Gan-speaking peoples in China are from Jiangxi province in China. Gan-speaking populations are also found in Fujian, southern Anhui and Hubei provinces, and linguistic enclaves are found in Taiwan, Shaanxi, Sichuan, Zhejiang, Hunan, Hainan, Guangdong, Fujian and non-Gan speaking Jiangxi.
 * Total Native Han Speakers: 20,580,000

Smaller groups
Other minor subgroups include speakers of the Tanka people, Gaoshan Han, Tunpu, Caijia, Peranakans, Chuanqing, Kwongsai people, Waxiang people and Taz people.

Han subgroups by subculture
The culture of the Han Chinese is complex and diverse. The vast geographic scale of China has led the Han to culturally separate themselves into northern and southern divisions.

North

 * Zhongyuan culture (中原)
 * Beijing culture (北京)
 * Shandong culture (魯/鲁)
 * Jin culture (晉/晋)
 * Dongbei culture (東北/东北)

South

 * Hubei culture (楚)
 * Lingnan culture (粵/粤)
 * Hakka culture (客)
 * Teochew culture (潮)
 * Hokkien culture (閩南/闽南)
 * Xinghua culture (興化)
 * Fuzhou Culture (闽都/闽东)
 * Jiangxi culture (贛)
 * Huizhou culture (徽)
 * Hunanese culture (湘)
 * Sichuanese culture (蜀)
 * Wuyue culture (吳/吴)
 * Wenzhou culture (瓯)
 * Haipai culture (海)
 * Hong Kong culture (港)
 * Macanese culture (澳)

Mainland China
The Han people originated in mainland China. Each Han subgroup is generally associated with a particular region in China; the Cantonese originated in Liangguang, the Putian in Puxian, the Foochow in Fuzhou, the Hoklo in Southern Fujian, the Chaoshan/Teochew in eastern Guangdong, the Hakka in eastern/central Guangdong and western Fujian, and the Shanghainese in Shanghai.

Hong Kong
In Hong Kong, a majority of the population are Cantonese. According to the CIA World Factbook, 89% of Hong Kongers speak the Cantonese language. Other Han Chinese peoples present in Hong Kong include the Hakka, Teochew, Hoklo and Shanghainese besides ethnic minorities like the Tankas.

Macau
As per the 2021 census of Macau, 89.4% of Macau's population declared themselves to be of Chinese ethnicity. Most speak Cantonese as their "usual language" (81%). In English, the term Macanese people tends to refer to people of mixed Cantonese and Portuguese descent. Macau people is used to describe anyone who originates from or lives in Macau.

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Mazarati

Mazarati was an American R&B, rock and funk band, formed in the mid-1980s and was active until 1989. The band had seven members and was produced by the former Prince and The Revolution bassist Brownmark. Originally hailing from Minneapolis, they became defunct as a group in 1989. The band's sole hit was a song called "100 MPH", which was written and co-produced by Prince.

1986: Mazarati and Paisley Park
The band is notable for some of the songs that they did not release. They were originally given the song "Kiss" by Prince in demo form, with melody, lyrics and basic song structure. David Z worked on the song, "starting with a LinnDrum, I programmed the beat and began experimenting. Taking a hi-hat from the drum machine, I ran it through a delay unit and switched between input and output and in the middle. That created a very funky rhythm. Then I took an acoustic guitar, played these open chords and gated that to the hi-hat trigger. The result was a really unique rhythm that was unbelievably funky but also impossible to actually play... The background vocals I adapted from the Brenda Lee song 'Sweet Nothings' " The end result was, "a so-so dance number. "The guitar was dry and gated, and everything else sounded kind of different to the corporate rock that was on the radio at that time." Mazarati's backing vocals were retained on the final song which was released on Parade (1986). The song became a No. 1 hit single and Grammy Award winner. Another song given to Mazarati was an out-take from The Time called "Jerk Out". Their take on the song never made the album, but the track was redone in 1990, once again with The Time who scored their biggest hit with the track, which reached number nine on the Billboard Hot 100. Mazarati's backing vocals were also kept on the released version. Mazarati are name checked on the Prince penned Sheila E. track "Holly Rock".

On July 1, 1986, the group performed "Players' Ball", "I Guess It's All Over", and "100 MPH" live at the premiere party of the movie Under the Cherry Moon, held at the Centennial Theater in Sheridan, Wyoming as part of an MTV contest. A few other live concerts took place that year.

1989: Mazarati 2, Motown Records and split
The band continued after its association with Prince and signed with Motown Records releasing their second album, Mazarati 2 (1989), including the singles "The Saga of a Man" and "The Woman Thang". This project reflects the music of that era which was directing to the new jack swing-genre. Brown Mark and former Klymaxx-founding member Bernadette Cooper both worked as producers on this album. The project experienced little success, and since the distribution of the LP and CD seems to be limited in quantity and exclusively released as a promo in Canada (before it was withdrawn), these original copies are in demand by collectors.

Members Marvin Gunn and Tony Christian, also known as Bruce DeShazer, formed the musical duo The Wild Pair and recorded a 1989 song with Paula Abdul, "Opposites Attract", for which they voiced the animated MC Skat Kat in the video.

The Prince Family Reunion at the Cabooze was the venue where they reunited and performed again. The tickets were being sold for $2 and they dedicated Christian's house for rehearsals of their live performances.

The Mazarati albums have yet to be reissued due to the collapse of the label and of its joint venture with Warner Bros. Records. In 1990 the first album appeared on CD in Japan through WEA International.

Albums

 * Mazarati (1986), Paisley Park/Warner Bros. Records
 * Mazarati 2 (1989), Motown (Canadian release only)

Singles

 * "Players' Ball" / "I Guess It's All Over" (1986), Paisley Park
 * "100 MPH" / "Don't Leave Me Baby" (1986) No. 19 U.S. R&B, Paisley Park/Warner Bros.
 * "Stroke" / "Champagne Saturday" (1986), Paisley Park/Warner Bros.
 * "The Saga of a Man" (1989), Motown
 * "The Woman Thang" (1989), Motown

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Simple eye in invertebrates

A simple eye or ocellus (sometimes called a pigment pit ) is a form of eye or an optical arrangement which has a single lens without the sort of elaborate retina that occurs in most vertebrates. These eyes are called "simple" to distinguish them from "compound eyes", which have multiple lenses. They are not necessarily simple in the sense of being uncomplicated or basic.

The structure of an animal's eye is determined by the environment in which it lives, and the behavioural tasks it must fulfill to survive. Arthropods differ widely in the habitats in which they live, as well as their visual requirements for finding food or conspecifics, and avoiding predators. Consequently, an enormous variety of eye types are found in arthropods to overcome visual problems or limitations.

Use of the term simple eye is flexible, and must be interpreted in proper context; for example, the eyes of most large animals are camera eyes and are sometimes considered "simple" because a single lens collects and focuses an entire image onto the retina (analogous to a camera). By other criteria, the presence of a complex retina distinguishes the vertebrate camera eye from the simple stemma or ommatidia which make up compound eyes. Additionally, not all invertebrate ocelli and ommatidium have simple photoreceptors. Many have various forms of retinula (a retina-like cluster of photoreceptor cells), including the ommatidia of most insects and the central eyes of camel spiders. Jumping spiders and some other predatory spiders with seemingly simple eyes also emulate retinal vision in various ways. Many insects have unambiguously compound eyes consisting of multiple lenses (up to tens of thousands), but achieve an effect similar to that of a camera eye, in that each ommatidium lens focuses light onto a number of neighbouring retinulae.

Ocelli or eye spots
Some jellyfish, sea stars, flatworms, and ribbonworms have the simplest "eyes" – pigment spot ocelli – which have randomly distributed pigment, and which have no other structure (such as a cornea, or lens). The apparent "eye color" in these animals is red or black. Certain groups such as box jellyfish have more complex eyes, including some with a distinct retina, lens, and cornea.

Many snails and slugs also have ocelli, either at the tips or bases of their tentacles. Some other gastropods, such as the Strombidae, have much more sophisticated eyes. Giant clams have ocelli that allow light to penetrate their mantles.

Spider eyes

Spiders do not have compound eyes, but instead have several pairs of simple eyes with each pair adapted for a specific task or tasks. The principal and secondary eyes in spiders are arranged in four, or occasionally fewer, pairs. Only the principal eyes have moveable retinas. The secondary eyes have a reflector at the back of the eyes. The light-sensitive part of the receptor cells is next to this, so they get direct and reflected light. In hunting or jumping spiders, for example, a forward-facing pair possesses the best resolution (and even some telescopic ability) to help spot prey from a distance. Nocturnal spiders' eyes are very sensitive in low light levels and are large to capture more light, equivalent to f/0.58 in the rufous net-casting spider.

Dorsal ocelli
The term "ocellus" (plural ocelli) is derived from the Latin oculus (eye), and literally means "little eye". In insects, two distinct ocellus types exist: dorsal (top-most) ocelli, and lateral ocelli (often referred to as ocelli and stemmata, respectively), most insects have dorsal ocelli while stemmata are found in the larvae of some insect orders. Despite the shared name, they are structurally and functionally very different. Simple eyes of other animals may also be referred to as ocelli, but again the structure and anatomy of these eyes is quite distinct from those of insect dorsal ocelli.

Dorsal ocelli are light-sensitive organs found on the dorsal surface or frontal surface of the head of many insects, including Hymenoptera (bees, ants, wasps, sawflies), Diptera (flies), Odonata (dragonflies, damselflies), Orthoptera (grasshoppers, locusts) and Mantodea (mantises). These ocelli coexist with compound eyes; thus, most insects possess two anatomically separate and functionally different visual pathways.

The number, forms, and functions of the dorsal ocelli vary markedly throughout insect orders. They tend to be larger and more strongly expressed in flying insects (particularly bees, wasps, dragonflies and locusts) where they are typically found as a triplet. Two ocelli are directed to either side of the head, while a central (median) ocellus is directed forwards. In some terrestrial insects (e.g. some ants and cockroaches), the median ocellus is absent. The sideways-facing ocelli can be called "lateral ocelli", referring to their direction and position in the triplet, however this is not to be confused with the stemmata of some insect larvae, which are also known as lateral ocelli.

A dorsal ocellus consists of a lens element (cornea) and a layer of photoreceptors (rod cells). The ocellar lens may be strongly curved or flat. The photoreceptor layer may also be separated from the lens by a clear vitreous humour. The number of photoreceptors also varies widely, but may number in the hundreds or thousands for well-developed ocelli. In bees, locusts, and dragonflies, the lens is strongly curved; while in cockroaches it is flat. Locusts possess vitreous humour while blowflies and dragonflies do not.

Two somewhat unusual features of ocelli are particularly notable and generally common between insect orders. These two factors have led to the conclusion that, with some exceptions in predatry insects, the ocelli are incapable of perceiving proper images and are thus solely suitable for light-metering functions. Given the large aperture and low f-number of the lens, as well as high convergence ratios and synaptic gains (amplification of photoreceptor signals), the ocelli are generally considered to be far more sensitive to light than the compound eyes. Additionally, given the relatively simple neural arrangement of the eye (small number of synapses between detector and effector), as well as the extremely large diameter of some ocellar interneurons (often the largest diameter neurons in the animal's nervous system), the ocelli are typically considered to be "faster" than the compound eyes.
 * 1) The refractive power of the lens is not typically sufficient to form an image on the photoreceptor layer, essentially it is out of focus.
 * 2) Dorsal ocelli ubiquitously have massive convergence ratios from first-order (photoreceptor) to second-order neurons.

One common theory of ocellar function in flying insects holds that they are used to assist in maintaining flight stability. Given their underfocused nature, wide fields of view, and high light-collecting ability, the ocelli are superbly adapted for measuring changes in the perceived brightness of the external world as an insect rolls or pitches around its body axis during flight. Locusts and dragonflies in tethered flight have been observed to try and "correct" their flight posture based on changes in light. Other theories of ocellar function have ranged from roles as light adaptors or global excitatory organs to polarization sensors and circadian entrainers.

Recent studies have shown the ocelli of some insects (most notably the dragonfly, but also some wasps) are capable of "form vision" similar to camera eyes, as the ocellar lens forms an image within, or close to, the photoreceptor layer. In dragonflies it has been demonstrated that the receptive fields of both the photoreceptors and the second-order neurons can be quite restricted. Further research has demonstrated these eyes not only resolve spatial details of the world, but also perceive motion. Second-order neurons in the dragonfly median ocellus respond more strongly to upwards-moving bars and gratings than to downwards-moving bars and gratings, but this effect is only present when ultraviolet light is used in the stimulus; when ultraviolet light is absent, no directional response is observed. Dragonfly ocelli are especially highly developed and specialised visual organs, which may support the exceptional acrobatic abilities of these animals.

Research on the ocelli is of high interest to designers of small unmanned aerial vehicles. Designers of these craft face many of the same challenges that insects face in maintaining stability in a three-dimensional world. Engineers are increasingly taking inspiration from insects to overcome these challenges.

Stemmata
Stemmata (singular stemma) are a class of simple eyes. Many kinds of holometabolous larvae bear no other form of eyes until they enter their final stage of growth. Adults of several orders of hexapods also have stemmata, and never develop compound eyes at all. Examples include fleas, springtails, and Thysanura. Some other Arthropoda, such as some Myriapoda, rarely have any eyes other than stemmata at any stage of their lives (exceptions include the large and well-developed compound eyes of the house centipedes, Scutigera ).

Behind each lens of a typical functional stemma lies a single cluster of photoreceptor cells, termed a retinula. The lens is biconvex, and the body of the stemma has a vitreous or crystalline core.

Although stemmata are simple eyes, some kinds (such as those of the larvae of Lepidoptera and especially those of Tenthredinidae, a family of sawflies) are only "simple" in that they represent immature or embryonic forms of the compound eyes of the adult. They can possess a considerable degree of acuity and sensitivity, and can detect polarized light. They may be optimized for light sensitivity, as opposed to detailed image formation. In the pupal stage, such stemmata develop into fully fledged compound eyes. One feature offering a clue to their ontogenetic role is their lateral position on the head; ocelli, that in other ways resemble stemmata, tend to be borne in sites median to the compound eyes, or nearly so. Among some researchers, this distinction has led to the use of the term "lateral ocelli" for stemmata.

Genetic controls
A number of genetic pathways are responsible for the occurrence and positioning of the ocelli. The gene orthodenticle is allelic to ocelliless, a mutation that stops ocelli from being produced. In Drosophila, the rhodopsin Rh2 is only expressed in simple eyes.

While (in Drosophila at least) the genes eyeless and dachshund are both expressed in the compound eye but not the simple eye, no reported 'developmental' genes are uniquely expressed in the simple eye.

Epidermal growth factor receptor (Egfr) promotes the expression of orthodenticle and possibly eyes absent (Eya) and as such is essential for simple eye formation.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Five Dollar Job

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 06:11, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Five Dollar Job
#include  Firebug 06:49, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. Megan1967 07:48, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nn. webcomic. jni 15:56, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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User talk:Noisy/Templates

I like these but we're gonna need graphics about 1/3 this size (server load issues cuz these templates will be served so often). Can you try downsampling these? JDG 06:49, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I've never dabbled with images, I'm afraid, but I have passed the request on to User:Avsa. Noisy | Talk 08:58, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

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User:Waytrollio

Of a certainty, User:Waytrollio/TrollthNight is a master pees

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User:Waytrollio/TrollthNight

  Trollth Night (formatted text)   TROLLTH NIGHT

DRAMATIS PERSONAE

 ORSINO Duke of Wikipedia (DUKE ORSINO:)

SEBASTIAN brother to Violens

ADMINIO a sea captain, friend to Sebastian.

A Sea Captain, friend to Violens (Captain:)

VALENTINE
CURIO
Administratively empowered gentlemen attending on the Duke.

SIR TOBY BELCH
uncle to Trollivia.

SIR ANDREW
AGUECHEEK
(SIR ANDREW:)

MALTROLIO
steward to Trollivia.

FABIAN
FESTE   a Clown  (Clown:)
servants to Trollivia

TROLLIVIA:

VIOLENS:

MARIA
Trollivia's woman.

Lords, Priests, Sailors, Officers, Musicians, Sysops, Sysop Vandals, and other Attendants. (Priest:) (First Officer:) (Second Officer:) (Servant:)

SCENE
A Wikicity near Wikipedia, and the sea-coast near it.

TWELFTH NIGHT

ACT I

SCENE I    DUKE ORSINO's palace.

[Enter DUKE ORSINO, CURIO, and other Lords; Musicians attending]

DUKE ORSINO
If edits be the fruit of love, be bold; Give me excess of edit, that, surfeiting, The appetite may sicken, and so die. That strain again! it had a dying fall: O, it came o'er my eye like the displeasure That I see upon a threat of violens, Stealing and giving odour! Enough; no more: 'Tis not so sweet now as it was before. O spirit of neutrality! how quick and fresh art thou, That, notwithstanding thy systemic bias Receiveth as the sea, nought enters there, Of what validity and pitch soe'er, But falls into abatement and low price, Even in a minute: so full of shapes is fancy That it alone is high fantastical.

CURIO
Will you go hunt, my lord?

DUKE ORSINO
What, Curio?

CURIO
The troll.

DUKE ORSINO
Why, so I do, the noblest that I have: O, when mine eyes did see Trollivia first, Methought she purged the air of pestilence! That instant was I turn'd into a troll; And my desires, like fell and cruel hounds, E'er since pursue me.

[Enter VALENTINE]

How now! what news from her?

VALENTINE
So please my lord, I might not be admitted; But from her trollish handmaid do return this answer: The element itself, till seven years' heat, Shall not behold her face at ample view; But, like a cloistress, she will veiled walk And water once a day her chamber round With eye-offending bile: all this to season A troll-brother's banned love, which she would keep fresh And lasting in her sad remembrance.

DUKE ORSINO
O, she that hath a heart of that fine frame To pay this debt of love but to a brother, How will she love, when the rich golden block Hath kill'd the flock of all affections else That live in her; when liver, brain and heart, These sovereign thrones, are all supplied, and fill'd Her sweet perfections with one self king! Away before me to sweet beds of flowers: Love-thoughts lie rich when canopied with bowers.

[Exeunt]

TROLLTH NIGHT

ACT I

SCENE II    The sea-coast.

[Enter VIOLENS, a Captain, and Sailors]

VIOLENS
What country, friends, is this?

Captain
This is Illyria, lady.

VIOLA
And what should I do in Illyria? My brother, a troll, he is in Elysium, or RKdia. Perchance he is not drown'd: what think you, sailors?

Captain
It is perchance that you yourself were not banned.

VIOLA
O my poor brother! and so perchance may he be.

Captain
True, madam: and, to comfort you with chance, Assure yourself, after our faction did split, When you and those poor number saved with you Hung on our driving proxy, I saw your brother, Most provident in peril, BIND himself, Courage and hope both teaching him the practise, To a strong anonymizer that lived upon IP; Where, like Arion on the dolphin's back, I saw him hold acquaintance with wireless waves So long as I could see.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Robinson

Link to Talk Page on disputed decision
 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was merge and redirect to Free Republic. There is more discussion about this decision on the talk page. Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:40, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Jim Robinson
Ok, we've been having a bit of a dispute about this one; you may (or may not, since most of it is not about the merits of the article, but about the fact that I tried to merge it) want to visit the talk page] to see some history of the debate. Jim is notable only, as far as I can tell, for his website [[Free Republic, and I feel most of the information on this page (e.g. allegations that money donated to Free Republic was used improperly) really belongs on that page. As we have been unable to discuss this effectively up to this point, I'm putting it on VfD, so that a) we can get more eyes looking at it, and b) perhaps we can have a real discussion about the merits of the article, rather than the politics surrounding my abortive attempt at merging it.

 * Discussion not relevant to this article has been moved to the talk page
 * Thanks. --Jonathan Christensen 14:27, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge and redirect. -Sean Curtin 23:20, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect with Free Republic. The site is notable, he is only notable because of the site. The controversy stuff is interesting, but is about the site as much as the man. --bainer 06:04, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep - no on merge and redirect. As I noted on Talk:Jim_Robinson where this discussion should be taking place per wikipedia policy, there is extensive precedent for having two different articles for well known political website owners and their websites/blogs etc. Among the many examples are:
 * The Daily Kos blog and owner Markos Moulitsas Zúniga
 * The Drudge Report and owner Matt Drudge
 * The Little Green Footballs blog and owner Charles Johnson
 * Power Line (blog) and its owners John_H._Hinderaker and Scott_W._Johnson

 * So long as this is done on other similar websites no valid reason exists to treat this one any differently. Rangerdude 17:31, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * NB The above two bullet points are one vote by Rangerdude, just in case it's not entirely clear. --Jonathan Christensen 14:27, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. In keeping with the guidelines at the top of WP:VFD, I'd also like to point out that User:Rangerdude is the author of the article in question. --Jonathan Christensen 16:09, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment In keeping with the wikipedia VFD Policy, I'd also like to point out that a clear majority consensus to keep this article already existed on the discussion page talk:Jim Robinson at the time this VfD process was initiated (4 editors to 2), the main dissenting voice being the individual who both sought the original merge and initiated this VfD process. The second dissenting editor concurred with his position, though he/she also recognized it was not the majority position. Rangerdude 17:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * And I'd like to point out that this is a lie, as there were at most three people (accounts) in favor of keeping the article: Rangerdude, Wakeforest (a puppet) and ObsidianOrder, who came from the RfC page, posted one brief comment, and has never come back. There were two obviously in favor of merging: myself and Katefan0. However, we can continue discussion on this matter at the corresponding point on the talk page, as this is not very relevent to the article anymore. Thanks for telling the truth in the future, anyway, Rangerdude! --Jonathan Christensen 05:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Tis no lie at all, JC. You've forgotten/ignored User:Casito, who originally objected to your merger and requested that you discuss it first. You essentially shunned him then since he imposed upon your unilateral actions, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised you would ignore him again here. Rangerdude 06:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, as you would know if you actually read the Talk page, I've far from forgotten Casito--I simply do not believe that his suggestion that I try discussing before merging counts as a vote on the side of keeping them as seperate articles. In fact, he later said, on the Talk:Free Republic, I probably should have read this talk too before I reverted the page when I did. I’ll make some notes in both talk pages to prevent others from doing the same.-Casito 23:23, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC), which makes the view that he is in absolute support of keeping them in different articles unreasonable. Along the same line, he also said, on his talk page: Silly me, I should have read the Talk:Free Republic page before I commented. Or maybe I shouldn’t have been reading recent changes in the wee hours of the morning. -Casito 23:17, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) In any case, I've asked him to come clarify his views here, so hopefully we will soon learn the truth from the horse's mouth, so to speak. --Jonathan Christensen 11:34, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * To set the record straight: I found this page while following RC. I took actions after only reading talk:Jim Robinson. This page contained no mention of the fact that it would be merged to Free Republic. This looked like simple page vandalism or a rather unilateral and inelegant political statement. I didn't bother to check out talk:Free Republic which is quite understandable since JC left me no clues. If I had read talk:Free Republic, I would have seen the ongoing debate and let the disputants decide what to do, since it wasn't my plan to get entangled in a long-standing dispute that I didn't care about. I take no position on the merits of the Jim Robinson article, but I believe the action taken by JC was inappropriate. I hope this clears things up. -Casito⇝Talk 20:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge and redirect. This man is only notable for the Website he runs; I therefore see no reason for there to be two separate articles.  As to Daily Kos et al, I feel that he and his Website are not as familiar to most folks as the others.  Although, for that matter, I'm not entirely sure that their webmasters need their own article either.  As to the VfD, it's true that merging is not usually a reason to list on VfD, but considering that the redirecter and the person who keeps reverting the redirects have been unable to come to an agreement, it is appropriate, I think, to put the matter to the general populace.  · Katefan0(scribble) 19:41, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Founder of Free Republic makes him notable enough in my book. That is where the discrepancies in the documents in the Sixty Minutes II story on George W. Bush's alleged problems with the Texas National Guard. Capitalistroadster 02:02, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge & redir as above. Radiant_* 13:42, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Free Republic. --Calton | Talk 02:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. There is very little information on the man- most of it is about the website. --G Rutter 07:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Jim Robinson has no notable personal life except for his dealings with Free Republic, and the information about the funding controversy added a great deal to the Free Republic article in which it belongs. I love how an insignifigant article can generate thousands of words of debate on Wikipedia :-) --Halidecyphon 18:36, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - He's the founder of a very notable political website of undeniable importance, and there's enough info out there about his life and past to make a decent, informative article that is of interest to anyone who is curious about how the site came to be. Not all of it belongs in the "Free Republic" article.  I did an article about this guy at another site (negative POV) and would be happy to expand this article here (keeping it neutral POV, of course). Mcsweet
 * Merge and redirect. Neutralitytalk 04:16, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Talk:Pianist

Wiki Education assignment: Writing for Wikipedia
— Assignment last updated by VLSG262 (talk) 00:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Amateur pianism section reads like an ad
The paragraphs about Jon Nakamatsu and Davide Martello under "Amateur pianism" read like their own PR teams wrote them, clearly advertising inserts. 69.117.213.159 (talk) 05:28, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

 * @69.117.213.159
 * I agree that they don't match the [|WP:Encyclopedic style] of Wikipedia. We need to consider rewriting or deleting these 2 paragraphs. Are these specific pianists (Jon Nakamatsu and Davide Martello) even notable enough to warrant inclusion in an article of this scope? O t h e r n a t u r e 3 3 3  10:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Pianist