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Rowland Williams (theologian)

Rowland Williams (16 August 1817 – 18 January 1870) was a Welsh theologian and educationalist. He was vice-principal and Professor of Hebrew at St David's College, Lampeter, from 1849 to 1862 and one of the most influential theologians of the nineteenth century. He supported biblical criticism and pioneered comparative religious studies in Britain. He was also a priest in the Church of England, and the vicar of Broad Chalke in Wiltshire, where he is buried. Williams is also credited with introducing rugby football to Wales; Lampeter's team was the first to be established in the nation.

Early life
Williams was the son of the Welsh clergyman and writer Rowland Williams (d. 1854). He was born at Halkyn, Flintshire and educated at Eton and then King's College Cambridge. Following in his father's footsteps, he was ordained deacon in 1842 and priest in 1843. He was classical tutor of King's College for eight years; at this time he developed an interest in oriental studies. In 1848 he was awarded a university prize for a dissertation which compared Christianity and Hinduism. He was appointed vice-principal and Professor of Hebrew at St David's College, Lampeter in 1850. There he worked hard to improve the conditions and standards of the college. At this point, he was thought likely to become the first truly Welsh bishop in Wales for almost two centuries.

Theological controversy
In December 1854, as select preacher in Cambridge, Williams delivered a course of sermons, entitled 'Rational godliness.' He argued that everything that was doubtful in the Bible could be surrendered, with little or no disadvantage to Christian essentials. Williams's views were regarded as not altogether orthodox, although the work appears fairly conservative to later generations. In 1855 the bishop of Llandaff forced him to resign his post as examining chaplain in his diocese. Williams attempted to defend his views in Lampeter theology, but this only made matters worse. He then published Christianity and Hinduism, an extended version of his submission for the Cambridge prize. In the dialogue, three Europeans and three Hindus present their views. The younger Christian interlocutor, Blancombe, is generally thought to represent Williams's own opinions.

Essays and reviews
Williams contributed a review of Baron von Bunsen's Biblical researches to Essays and Reviews, published in 1860. Williams commended the critical approach to the Bible, which was already established in Germany. He advocated a more acceptable interpretation of some Christian doctrines, for instance arguing that atonement should be understood as 'salvation from evil through sharing the Saviour's spirit' not as 'purchase from God through the price of his bodily pangs'. Williams compared those opposed to the new biblical criticism to "degenerate senators before Tiberius." Williams was tried and condemned for heresy in the Court of Arches, together with Henry Bristow Wilson, the editor of Essays and reviews. Both had been accused of denying the inspiration of scripture. Their acquittal, on appeal to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, afforded a valuable protection to liberty of thought within the Church of England.

Later years
In 1859 Williams married Ellen, daughter of Charles Cotesworth RN, a Liverpool merchant. The couple had no children. Williams left Lampeter for Broad Chalke, near Salisbury, in June 1862. He had accepted the living there in 1858 and was to stay there for the rest of his life. He is buried in Broad Chalke; there is a memorial window to him in the church. Lord Elis-Thomas, Presiding Officer of the National Assembly for Wales, opened a new research centre at the University of Wales, Lampeter, on Friday 8 April 2005, named in honour of Williams: The Rowland Williams Research Centre for Theology and Religion. In attendance at the first conference were three great-great nephews of Rowland Williams.

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Sequence space

In functional analysis and related areas of mathematics, a sequence space is a vector space whose elements are infinite sequences of real or complex numbers. Equivalently, it is a function space whose elements are functions from the natural numbers to the field K of real or complex numbers. The set of all such functions is naturally identified with the set of all possible infinite sequences with elements in K, and can be turned into a vector space under the operations of pointwise addition of functions and pointwise scalar multiplication. All sequence spaces are linear subspaces of this space. Sequence spaces are typically equipped with a norm, or at least the structure of a topological vector space.

The most important sequence spaces in analysis are the $ℓ$ spaces, consisting of the $p$-power summable sequences, with the p-norm. These are special cases of Lp spaces for the counting measure on the set of natural numbers. Other important classes of sequences like convergent sequences or null sequences form sequence spaces, respectively denoted c and c0, with the sup norm. Any sequence space can also be equipped with the topology of pointwise convergence, under which it becomes a special kind of Fréchet space called FK-space.

Definition
A sequence $$x_{\bull} = \left(x_n\right)_{n \in \N}$$ in a set $$X$$ is just an $$X$$-valued map $$x_{\bull} : \N \to X$$ whose value at $$n \in \N$$ is denoted by $$x_n$$ instead of the usual parentheses notation $$x(n).$$

Space of all sequences
Let $$\mathbb{K}$$ denote the field either of real or complex numbers. The set $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ of all sequences of elements of $$\mathbb{K}$$ is a vector space for componentwise addition
 * $$\left(x_n\right)_{n \in \N} + \left(y_n\right)_{n \in \N} = \left(x_n + y_n\right)_{n \in \N},$$

and componentwise scalar multiplication
 * $$\alpha\left(x_n\right)_{n \in \N} = \left(\alpha x_n\right)_{n \in \N}.$$

A sequence space is any linear subspace of $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}.$$

As a topological space, $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ is naturally endowed with the product topology. Under this topology, $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ is Fréchet, meaning that it is a complete, metrizable, locally convex topological vector space (TVS). However, this topology is rather pathological: there are no continuous norms on $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ (and thus the product topology cannot be defined by any norm). Among Fréchet spaces, $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ is minimal in having no continuous norms:

But the product topology is also unavoidable: $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ does not admit a strictly coarser Hausdorff, locally convex topology. For that reason, the study of sequences begins by finding a strict linear subspace of interest, and endowing it with a topology different from the subspace topology.

$ℓ^{p}$ spaces
For $$0 < p < \infty,$$ $$\ell^p$$ is the subspace of $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ consisting of all sequences $$x_{\bull} = \left(x_n\right)_{n \in \N}$$ satisfying $$\sum_n |x_n|^p < \infty.$$

If $$p \geq 1,$$ then the real-valued function $$\|\cdot\|_p$$ on $$\ell^p$$ defined by $$\|x\|_p ~=~ \left(\sum_n|x_n|^p\right)^{1/p} \qquad \text{ for all } x \in \ell^p$$ defines a norm on $$\ell^p.$$ In fact, $$\ell^p$$ is a complete metric space with respect to this norm, and therefore is a Banach space.

If $$p = 2$$ then $$\ell^2$$ is also a Hilbert space when endowed with its canonical inner product, called the , defined for all $$x_\bull, y_\bull \in \ell^p$$ by $$\langle x_\bull, y_\bull \rangle ~=~ \sum_n \overline{x_n} y_n.$$ The canonical norm induced by this inner product is the usual $$\ell^2$$-norm, meaning that $$\|\mathbf{x}\|_2 = \sqrt{\langle \mathbf{x}, \mathbf{x} \rangle}$$ for all $$\mathbf{x} \in \ell^p.$$

If $$p = \infty,$$ then $$\ell^{\infty}$$ is defined to be the space of all bounded sequences endowed with the norm $$\|x\|_\infty ~=~ \sup_n |x_n|,$$ $$\ell^{\infty}$$ is also a Banach space.

If $$0 < p < 1,$$ then $$\ell^p$$ does not carry a norm, but rather a metric defined by $$d(x,y) ~=~ \sum_n \left|x_n - y_n\right|^p.\,$$

c, c0 and c00
A is any sequence $$x_{\bull} \in \mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ such that $$\lim_{n \to \infty} x_n$$ exists. The set of all convergent sequences is a vector subspace of $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$ called the c space. Since every convergent sequence is bounded, $$c$$ is a linear subspace of $$\ell^{\infty}.$$ Moreover, this sequence space is a closed subspace of $$\ell^{\infty}$$ with respect to the supremum norm, and so it is a Banach space with respect to this norm.

A sequence that converges to $$0$$ is called a and is said to. The set of all sequences that converge to $$0$$ is a closed vector subspace of $$c$$ that when endowed with the supremum norm becomes a Banach space that is denoted by and is called the  or the.

The, is the subspace of $$c_0$$ consisting of all sequences which have only finitely many nonzero elements. This is not a closed subspace and therefore is not a Banach space with respect to the infinity norm. For example, the sequence $$\left(x_{nk}\right)_{k \in \N}$$ where $$x_{nk} = 1/k$$ for the first $$n$$ entries (for $$k = 1, \ldots, n$$) and is zero everywhere else (that is, $$\left(x_{nk}\right)_{k \in \N} = \left(1, 1/2, \ldots, 1/(n-1), 1/n, 0, 0, \ldots\right)$$) is a Cauchy sequence but it does not converge to a sequence in $$c_{00}.$$

Space of all finite sequences
Let
 * $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}=\left\{\left(x_1, x_2,\ldots\right)\in\mathbb{K}^{\N}:\text{all but finitely many }x_i\text{ equal }0\right\}

$$,

denote the space of finite sequences over $$\mathbb{K}$$. As a vector space, $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ is equal to $$c_{00}$$, but $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ has a different topology.

For every natural number $n \in \N$, let $$\mathbb{K}^n$$ denote the usual Euclidean space endowed with the Euclidean topology and let $$\operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n} : \mathbb{K}^n \to \mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ denote the canonical inclusion
 * $$\operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n}\left(x_1, \ldots, x_n\right) = \left(x_1, \ldots, x_n, 0, 0, \ldots \right)$$.

The image of each inclusion is
 * $$\operatorname{Im} \left( \operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n} \right)

= \left\{ \left(x_1, \ldots, x_n, 0, 0, \ldots \right) : x_1, \ldots, x_n \in \mathbb{K} \right\} = \mathbb{K}^n \times \left\{ (0, 0, \ldots) \right\}$$ and consequently,
 * $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty} = \bigcup_{n \in \N} \operatorname{Im} \left( \operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n} \right).$$

This family of inclusions gives $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ a final topology $$\tau^{\infty}$$, defined to be the finest topology on $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ such that all the inclusions are continuous (an example of a coherent topology). With this topology, $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ becomes a complete, Hausdorff, locally convex, sequential, topological vector space that is Fréchet–Urysohn. The topology $$\tau^{\infty}$$ is also strictly finer than the subspace topology induced on $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ by $$\mathbb{K}^{\N}$$.

Convergence in $$\tau^{\infty}$$ has a natural description: if $$v \in \mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ and $$v_{\bull}$$ is a sequence in $$\mathbb{K}^{\infty}$$ then $$v_{\bull} \to v$$ in $$\tau^{\infty}$$ if and only $$v_{\bull}$$ is eventually contained in a single image $$\operatorname{Im} \left( \operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n} \right)$$ and $$v_{\bull} \to v$$ under the natural topology of that image.

Often, each image $$\operatorname{Im} \left( \operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n} \right)$$ is identified with the corresponding $$\mathbb{K}^n$$; explicitly, the elements $$\left( x_1, \ldots, x_n \right) \in \mathbb{K}^n$$ and $$\left( x_1, \ldots, x_n, 0, 0, 0, \ldots \right)$$ are identified. This is facilitated by the fact that the subspace topology on $$\operatorname{Im} \left( \operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n} \right)$$, the quotient topology from the map $$\operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n}$$, and the Euclidean topology on $$\mathbb{K}^n$$ all coincide. With this identification, $$\left( \left(\mathbb{K}^{\infty}, \tau^{\infty}\right), \left(\operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^n}\right)_{n \in \N}\right)$$ is the direct limit of the directed system $$\left( \left(\mathbb{K}^n\right)_{n \in \N}, \left(\operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^m\to\mathbb{K}^n}\right)_{m \leq n\in\N},\N \right),$$ where every inclusion adds trailing zeros:
 * $$\operatorname{In}_{\mathbb{K}^m\to\mathbb{K}^n}\left(x_1, \ldots, x_m\right) = \left(x_1, \ldots, x_m, 0, \ldots, 0 \right)$$.

This shows $$\left(\mathbb{K}^{\infty}, \tau^{\infty}\right)$$ is an LB-space.

Other sequence spaces
The space of bounded series, denote by bs, is the space of sequences $$x$$ for which
 * $$\sup_n \left\vert \sum_{i=0}^n x_i \right\vert < \infty.$$

This space, when equipped with the norm
 * $$\|x\|_{bs} = \sup_n \left\vert \sum_{i=0}^n x_i \right\vert,$$

is a Banach space isometrically isomorphic to $$\ell^{\infty},$$ via the linear mapping
 * $$(x_n)_{n \in \N} \mapsto \left(\sum_{i=0}^n x_i\right)_{n \in \N}.$$

The subspace cs consisting of all convergent series is a subspace that goes over to the space c under this isomorphism.

The space Φ or $$c_{00}$$ is defined to be the space of all infinite sequences with only a finite number of non-zero terms (sequences with finite support). This set is dense in many sequence spaces.

Properties of ℓp spaces and the space c0
The space ℓ2 is the only ℓp space that is a Hilbert space, since any norm that is induced by an inner product should satisfy the parallelogram law

 * $$\|x+y\|_p^2 + \|x-y\|_p^2= 2\|x\|_p^2 + 2\|y\|_p^2.$$

Substituting two distinct unit vectors for x and y directly shows that the identity is not true unless p = 2.

Each $ℓ^{p}$ is distinct, in that $ℓ^{p}$ is a strict subset of $ℓ^{s}$ whenever p < s; furthermore, $ℓ^{p}$ is not linearly isomorphic to $ℓ^{s}$ when $p ≠ s$. In fact, by Pitt's theorem, every bounded linear operator from $ℓ^{s}$ to $ℓ^{p}$ is compact when $p < s$. No such operator can be an isomorphism; and further, it cannot be an isomorphism on any infinite-dimensional subspace of $ℓ^{s}$, and is thus said to be strictly singular.

If 1 < p < ∞, then the (continuous) dual space of ℓp is isometrically isomorphic to ℓq, where q is the Hölder conjugate of p: 1/p + 1/q = 1. The specific isomorphism associates to an element x of $ℓ^{q}$ the functional $$L_x(y) = \sum_n x_n y_n$$ for y in $ℓ^{p}$. Hölder's inequality implies that Lx is a bounded linear functional on $ℓ^{p}$, and in fact $$|L_x(y)| \le \|x\|_q\,\|y\|_p$$ so that the operator norm satisfies
 * $$\|L_x\|_{(\ell^p)^*} \stackrel{\rm{def}}{=}\sup_{y\in\ell^p, y\not=0} \frac{|L_x(y)|}{\|y\|_p} \le \|x\|_q.$$

In fact, taking y to be the element of $ℓ^{p}$ with
 * $$y_n = \begin{cases}

0&\text{if}\ x_n=0\\ x_n^{-1}|x_n|^q &\text{if}~ x_n \neq 0 \end{cases}$$ gives Lx(y) = ||x||q, so that in fact
 * $$\|L_x\|_{(\ell^p)^*} = \|x\|_q.$$

Conversely, given a bounded linear functional L on $ℓ^{p}$, the sequence defined by $x_{n} = L(e_{n})$ lies in ℓq. Thus the mapping $$x\mapsto L_x$$ gives an isometry $$\kappa_q : \ell^q \to (\ell^p)^*.$$

The map
 * $$\ell^q\xrightarrow{\kappa_q}(\ell^p)^*\xrightarrow{(\kappa_q^*)^{-1}}(\ell^q)^{**}$$

obtained by composing κp with the inverse of its transpose coincides with the canonical injection of ℓq into its double dual. As a consequence ℓq is a reflexive space. By abuse of notation, it is typical to identify ℓq with the dual of ℓp: (ℓp)* = ℓq. Then reflexivity is understood by the sequence of identifications (ℓp)** = (ℓq)* = ℓp.

The space c0 is defined as the space of all sequences converging to zero, with norm identical to ||x||∞. It is a closed subspace of ℓ∞, hence a Banach space. The dual of c0 is ℓ1; the dual of ℓ1 is ℓ∞. For the case of natural numbers index set, the ℓp and c0 are separable, with the sole exception of ℓ∞. The dual of ℓ∞ is the ba space.

The spaces c0 and ℓp (for 1 ≤ p < ∞) have a canonical unconditional Schauder basis {ei | i = 1, 2,...}, where ei is the sequence which is zero but for a 1 in the i th entry.

The space ℓ1 has the Schur property: In ℓ1, any sequence that is weakly convergent is also strongly convergent. However, since the weak topology on infinite-dimensional spaces is strictly weaker than the strong topology, there are nets in ℓ1 that are weak convergent but not strong convergent.

The ℓp spaces can be embedded into many Banach spaces. The question of whether every infinite-dimensional Banach space contains an isomorph of some ℓp or of c0, was answered negatively by B. S. Tsirelson's construction of Tsirelson space in 1974. The dual statement, that every separable Banach space is linearly isometric to a quotient space of ℓ1, was answered in the affirmative by. That is, for every separable Banach space X, there exists a quotient map $$Q:\ell^1 \to X$$, so that X is isomorphic to $$\ell^1 / \ker Q$$. In general, ker Q is not complemented in ℓ1, that is, there does not exist a subspace Y of ℓ1 such that $$\ell^1 = Y \oplus \ker Q$$. In fact, ℓ1 has uncountably many uncomplemented subspaces that are not isomorphic to one another (for example, take $$X=\ell^p$$; since there are uncountably many such Xs, and since no ℓp is isomorphic to any other, there are thus uncountably many ker Qs).

Except for the trivial finite-dimensional case, an unusual feature of ℓp is that it is not polynomially reflexive.

ℓp spaces are increasing in p
For $$p\in[1,\infty]$$, the spaces $$\ell^p$$ are increasing in $$p$$, with the inclusion operator being continuous: for $$1\le pp$$. But if $$\|x\|_p = 1$$, then $$|x_i|\le 1$$ for all $$i$$, and then $$\textstyle\sum |x_i|^q \le \textstyle\sum |x_i|^p = 1$$.

ℓ2 is isomorphic to all separable, infinite dimensional Hilbert spaces
Let H be a separable Hilbert space. Every orthogonal set in H is at most countable (i.e. has finite dimension or $$\,\aleph_0\,$$). The following two items are related:
 * If H is infinite dimensional, then it is isomorphic to ℓ2
 * If $dim(H) = N$, then H is isomorphic to $$\Complex^N$$

Properties of ℓ1 spaces
A sequence of elements in ℓ1 converges in the space of complex sequences ℓ1 if and only if it converges weakly in this space. If K is a subset of this space, then the following are equivalent: Here K being equismall at infinity means that for every $$\varepsilon > 0$$, there exists a natural number $$n_{\varepsilon} \geq 0$$ such that $\sum_{n = n_{\epsilon}}^{\infty} | s_n | < \varepsilon$ for all $$s = \left( s_n \right)_{n=1}^{\infty} \in K$$.
 * 1) K is compact;
 * 2) K is weakly compact;
 * 3) K is bounded, closed, and equismall at infinity.

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College Township

The "College Township" was the full survey township located in the northwest corner of Butler County, Ohio, now corresponding to the civil township of Oxford, designated by the Ohio General Assembly to be the site of the state university now called Miami University. When Congress, on May 5, 1792, authorized the sale to John Cleves Symmes of the land known as the Symmes Purchase, one of the terms was that he would allocate a full township of land to support a university, a promise he never fulfilled. The United States Congress subsequently allowed the State of Ohio to pick a township in the public domain for a college. They chose a township in the first range in the Congress Lands, namely R1E T5.

The village of College Corner takes its name from its position in the northwest corner of this section and the Indiana town of College Corner took its name from its Ohio counterpart.

When Butler County was originally divided into townships in 1803, this land was included in St. Clair Township, then later Milford Township before Oxford Township was erected in 1811.

Ohio's first appropriation for roads, passed at the second General Assembly, (February 18, 1804), included $1585 for the road from Chillicothe (then the state capital) to the college township via Lebanon. In Butler County, this corresponds to the present-day State Route 73.

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Talk:Cavalier Marching Band

Deletion debate
For previous conversations, please see the Archive.

An Adelphia cable modem subscriber in Charlottesville at 68.235.163.221 removed the photos from this article on October 6, and those photos were declared "orphans" and deleted 7 days later on October 13. He removed a photo from the article again on November 2. Please restore the images to this article if you see them missing in the future. Uris 21:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

 * A Comcast cable modem subscriber in Philadelphia at 69.253.245.254 removed the photos again on June 11, 2007. Former members of the pep band are just so... sad... Please restore the images to this article if you notice them missing in the future. Uris 16:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Glad to see no one is jumping to conclusions about the identity of vandals. The Pep Band's page has been vandalized well more than twice, clearly it's a ruse to make themselves look popular. Also, since it appears that the Pep Band is alive and well the designation former is incorrect. But hey, what do I know? I only saw them in person yesterday. 71.206.188.25 00:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The pep band is all but dead. I haven't seen them in years, unfortunately.  If you saw them, it may be because you saw a group of individuals just calling themselves "the pep band", in jest, even though such an organization died out long, long ago.  They're probably being funny and trying to fool you into attesting to their continued existence here on Wikipedia.  Don't fall for it. The last surviving member died of Alzheimer's like 7 years ago I believe. (Just kidding.) Omnibus (talk) 20:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Significance
I see no way that this article has any significance. Bassgoonist 18:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Marching band for a Division I-A football program. Clearly notable. -- Upholder 19:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I fail to see how a band for football program is notable. There's one mediocre source that was made by the group it self. I see no significance. Bassgoonist 19:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

 * You're new here. Rookie mistake. Uris 18:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't see how you can say that this page is insignificant solely on the premise that a band for a football program is not notable. Would you say that the marching band for Ohio State University's football program is not notable?  Would you also say that the band for University of Southern California's football program is not notable?  Band's related to football programs are certainly notable as they are an intergral part of the overall experience of the football game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motabaspidermonkey (talk • contribs) 17:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ref cleanup and first performance
All old Cavalier Daily links are broken after the paper's fall 2008 website relaunch. I've fixed the one in this article. I also removed an uncited claim that songs like the "Virginia Yell Song" hadn't been performed at Virginia athletic events in a century. The part books may have dated from 1907, but the University of Virginia Band was playing the music circa 1940-1950 according to the liner notes of their 1951 recording with the Virginia Glee Club, Songs of the University of Virginia. -Tjarrett (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Largest without a marching band?
I don't see that in this reference either. WhyDoIKeepForgetting (talk) 04:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right it doesn't as "Wise" said in edit... I didn't pay for the subscription and mistook it for the Roanoke Times article I was looking for. I'll try to post that one soon if it still exists online. Omnibus (talk) 05:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Great! Also, "holdout" is very specific language, indicating that there was some group movement, or conference-wide pressure, and that some other ACC schools didn't have true marching bands in the same rough time period. Is there a cite for that? If not, the language as before is the better choice, I think. WhyDoIKeepForgetting (talk) 06:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't think it indicates any "pressure" from the conference, but I changed "holdout" to "program" to prevent confusion.. Omnibus (talk) 19:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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Nikko Smith

Osborne Earl "Nikko" Smith Jr. (born April 28, 1982) is a singer-songwriter who was the ninth-place finalist of the fourth season on American Idol.

Biography
Nikko Smith, the son of Baseball Hall of Famer Ozzie Smith, is currently working on an album entitled The Revolution.

On October 26, 2006, Smith performed "The Star-Spangled Banner" prior to Game 4 of the World Series, at the home field of the St. Louis Cardinals for whom his father had played 15 seasons.

American Idol
Smith auditioned for American Idol in 2005 with the song "All I Do" by Stevie Wonder. Smith made it to the third round of the semi-finals, but was voted off on March 9 along with Travis Tucker.

Days later, Smith got a phone call from the producers asking him to come back in place of Mario Vazquez, who left for "family reasons". After returning, Nikko was dubbed "The Comeback Kid" by judge Paula Abdul after a performance of "One Hand, One Heart". However, in the same week, Nikko was voted off the show, placing ninth overall.

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Litany of the Saints

The Litany of the Saints (Latin: Litaniae Sanctorum) is a formal prayer of the Roman Catholic Church as well as the Old Catholic Church, Lutheran congregations of Evangelical Catholic churchmanship, Anglican congregations of Anglo-Catholic churchmanship, and Western Rite Orthodox communities. It is a prayer to the Triune God, which also includes invocations for the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Angels and all the martyrs and saints upon whom Christianity was founded, and those recognised as saints through the subsequent history of the church. Following the invocation of the saints, the Litany concludes with a series of supplications to God to hear the prayers of the worshippers. It is most prominently sung during the Easter Vigil, All Saints' Day, and in the liturgy for conferring Holy Orders, the Consecration of a Virgin and reception of the perpetual vows of a religious or a diocesane hermit.

Catholic practice
The definitive version of the Roman Catholic Litany of the Saints is a Latin text published in the Roman Gradual. The current edition was published in 1974, and contains a statement of approval from the Congregation for Divine Worship issued 24 June 1972. The current edition of the Roman Gradual was updated in 1979 to include Neums from Ancient Manuscripts.

The litany is published in five sections. The first contains a short series of invocations of God, beginning with a threefold Kyrie, followed by invocations of God the Father of Heaven, the Son who redeemed the world, the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Trinity.

The second section lists the saints who are to be included, given in the following order. Within each category, men are listed in chronological order, followed by women, also in chronological order. Additional saints, such as the patron of a place or the founder of a religious order, may be inserted in the appropriate place. The official list of recognized saints can be found in the Roman Martyrology.

 * The Virgin Mary and the Angels: Mary is invoked three times, as Holy Mary, as Holy Mother of God and as Holy Virgin of Virgins; the following invocations are: Saints Michael, Gabriel and Raphael; all holy angels.
 * Patriarchs and Prophets: Abraham; Moses; Elijah; John the Baptist; Joseph; all holy prophets.
 * Apostles and disciples: Peter and Paul; Andrew; John and James; Thomas; Matthew; all holy apostles; Luke; Mark; Barnabas; Mary Magdalen; all holy disciples of the Lord.
 * Martyrs: Stephen; Ignatius (of Antioch); Polycarp; Justin; Laurence; Cyprian; Boniface; Stanislaus; Thomas (Becket); John (Fisher) and Thomas (More); Paul (Miki); John (de Brebeuf) and Isaac (Jogues); Peter (Chanel); Charles (Lwanga); Perpetua and Felicity; Agnes; Maria (Goretti); all holy martyrs.
 * Bishops and Doctors of the Church (popes are not listed distinctly from other non-martyr bishops): Leo and Gregory; Ambrose; Jerome; Augustine; Athanasius; Basil and Gregory (Nazianzen); John Chrysostom; Martin; Patrick; Cyril and Methodius; Charles (Borromeo); Francis (de Sales); Pius (X).
 * Priests and Religious [without further distinction between priests, deacons, and lay religious]: Anthony; Benedict; Bernard; Francis and Dominic; Thomas (Aquinas); Ignatius (Loyola); Francis (Xavier); Vincent (de Paul); John-Mary (Vianney); John (Bosco); Catherine (of Siena); Teresa (of Avila); Rose (of Lima)
 * Laity: Louis; Monica; Elisabeth (of Hungary); and all saints of God.

Certain names are grouped together by the litany itself (e.g. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael; Francis and Dominic); in the list above, a semi-colon always indicates the next line of the litany. Some priests and religious who are also Doctors of the Church (Catherine of Siena, Teresa of Avila, Bernard of Clairvaux and Thomas Aquinas) are grouped with the "Priests and Religious", rather than with the "Bishops and Doctors". Strict chronological order is not followed in the case of the Jesuit, Francis Xavier (died 1552), who is placed after the founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius Loyola, who died in 1556.

Part three of the litany is a series of petitions to Christ, the first 15 having the response, "free us O Lord", with a further 10 petitions ending "have mercy on us."

The fourth section includes a list of petitions ending te rogamus audi nos ("we beseech you to hear us") from which the appropriate prayers can be chosen for a particular occasion, but always ending with petitions for the whole church, for the ministers of the church, for the lay faithful and for all humanity. The rubrics printed before the litany indicate that other petitions "suitable to the occasion" and in the form proper to the Litany may be added "at the proper place".

The final part of the litany consists of a brief invocation calling on Christ to hear the prayers, and a closing collect.

At the Easter Vigil
The Litany of the Saints is used prominently at the Easter Vigil, the Mass celebrated on the night before Easter Day. At this Mass, adults who have chosen to become Catholic receive the Sacraments of Initiation in the form of Baptism, or simple Reception, with Confirmation and Holy Communion. Following the readings from Scripture and just before the actual rite of baptism or confirmation, the Litany of the Saints is sung. Even if there is no-one to be baptized, the Litany may be sung for the blessing of holy water in the font. However, if the font is not blessed (i.e. holy water is blessed in a simple container on the sanctuary), the Litany is not used.

The Litany given for the Easter Vigil in the Roman Missal contains a shortened list of saints:

 * Holy Mary, Mother of God; Saint Michael; all holy angels; John the Baptist; Joseph; Peter and Paul; Andrew; John; Mary Magdalen; Stephen; Ignatius (of Antioch); Laurence; Perpetua and Felicity; Agnes; Gregory; Augustine; Athanasius; Basil; Martin; Benedict; Francis and Dominic; Ignatius of Loyola; Francis Xavier; John Vianney; Catherine of Siena; Teresa of Jesus (i.e. of Avila); and all holy men and women, Saints of God.

At infant baptisms
A severely abbreviated form of the litany is given in the official text for the Rite of Baptism of Children. This consists only of the invocations of Mary Mother of God, St John the Baptist, St Joseph, St Peter and St Paul, and all holy men and women, with the addition of saints relevant to the circumstances of the baptism. In the rite the litany is immediately preceded by suggested or ad hoc prayers for the child or children being baptized and family members present, and immediately followed by a prayer of minor exorcism.

An extended form of the litany is also permitted for baptisms, beginning with a Kyrie, and followed by the same selection of saints used for the Easter Vigil (as listed above). The saints are followed by brief invocations of Christ and then petitions which include "Give new life to these chosen ones by the grace of baptism".

At the election of a pope
An expanded list is also specified in the ritual Ordo Rituum Conclavis✓for use during the conclave for the election of a new pope. The additional saints are, in italics:
 * Among apostles, following Thomas: ; ; Matthew;
 * Among martyrs, following Cyprian:, Stanislaus, , Thomas (Becket); John (Fisher) and Thomas (More); , Paul Miki...; Agnes; , Maria (Goretti).
 * Among bishops and doctors, following John Chrysostom: ; ; Martin...
 * Among priests and religious, following Bernard: ; Francis; Dominic...

In other ceremonies
The Litany of the Saints is also prescribed for ordination (different saints are added corresponding to the different grades of ordained ministry), religious profession, the blessing of an abbot, and the dedication of churches and altars.

In the Latin version of the Litany, the names of one or more saints are chanted by a cantor or choir, and the congregants reply with either, Ora pro nobis (if one saint is addressed) or Orate pro nobis (using the plural imperative form of the verb, if more than one saint is addressed). Both responses translate to "Pray for us." However, it is permissible to personalize the Litany of the Saints for a funeral rite or other Mass for the dead. When this was done during the Funeral of Pope John Paul II and recently the Funeral of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, the response was Ora[te] pro eo, or "Pray for him."

A Vatican recommendation issued in 1988 proposes that the Litany can be appropriately used for the beginning of the Mass of the First Sunday of Lent, to offer a distinguishing mark for the beginning of Lent.

The iBreviary website offers a text in English of the full Litany of the Saints expanded with many additional saints, drawn in part from the bespoke litanies for particular liturgical occasions. It includes a note that in ceremonies involving the pope, the canonized popes are moved from their usual place to form part of an expanded list of popes prior to other bishops and doctors.

Pre-Vatican II practice
In the late 1960s, Roman Catholic liturgical texts were changed according to the directives of Sacrosanctum Concilium, a key document of the Second Vatican Council. The texts in use immediately prior to the Council, those of 1962, may still be used today by priests of the Latin Church, freely if celebrating without the people, under the conditions indicated in article 5 of the 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificum if with the people.

The form of the litany in use prior to the Council is given in the Roman Ritual, published in a Latin-English edition in 1952. The Catholic Encyclopedia article available online entirely reflects pre-Vatican II usage.

This Litany of the Saints begins with a threefold Kyrie, followed (as in the current version) by invocations of God the Father of Heaven, the Son who redeemed the world, the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Trinity. The names of the saints follow:

 * The Virgin Mary is invoked three times, as Holy Mary, as Holy Mother of God and as Holy Virgin of Virgins; then Saints Michael; Gabriel; Raphael; all holy angels and archangels; all the holy order of blessed spirits.
 * Patriarchs and Prophets: beginning with Saint John the Baptist (then other names, if they are to be inserted) and always ending with Saint Joseph; all holy patriarchs and prophets.
 * Apostles and disciples: Peter; Paul; Andrew; James; John; Thomas; James; Philip; Bartholomew; Matthew; Simon; Thaddeus; Matthias; Barnabas; Luke; Mark; all holy apostles and evangelists; all holy disciples of the Lord; all the Holy Innocents.
 * Martyrs: Stephen; Laurence; Vincent; Fabian and Sebastian; John and Paul; Cosmas and Damian; Gervasius and Protasius; all holy martyrs.
 * Bishops and Doctors of the Church: Sylvester; Gregory; Ambrose; Augustine; Jerome; Martin; Nicholas; all holy bishops and confessors; all holy Doctors.
 * Priests and male religious (without further distinction between priests, deacons, and lay religious): Anthony; Benedict; Bernard; Dominic; Francis; all holy priests and Levites; all holy monks and hermits.
 * Female saints, ordered as the men were above: Mary Magdalene; Agatha; Lucy; Agnes; Cecilia; Catherine (of Alexandria); Anastasia; all holy virgins and widows; all holy saints of God.

The litany then twice pleads with God to be merciful, and this is followed by 21 invocations for which the response is Libera nos, Domine ("O Lord, deliver us"), then 17 petitions with the response Te rogamus, audi nos ("We beseech thee, hear us"). The final part of the litany consists of seven invocations of Christ, the first three under the title "Lamb of God".

Indulgence
The 2004 Enchiridion Indulgentiarum grants the partial indulgence to the faithfuls of Christ who piously pray the litanies.

title: Litany of the Saints


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Talk:Earl of Shaftesbury

Proposed edits
It has been noted by User:Tryde that the article needs revisions. I have brought Tryde's concerns here. Cindamuse (talk) 09:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Lede
The lede currently offers inaccurate information pertaining to years of succession. User:Tryde states that it is "nonsensical, grammatically incorrect and gives the wrong information." I concur and offer the following proposed rewrite for your review. Cindamuse (talk) 09:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Earl of Shaftesbury is a title in the Peerage of England. It was created in 1672 for Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 1st Baron Ashley of Wimborne St Giles, a prominent politician in the Cabal Ministry, then dominating the policies of King Charles II. In 1631, upon his father's death, Anthony Ashley-Cooper succeeded his father as 2nd Baronet of Rockbourne. In 1661, he was created Earl of Shaftesbury. At the same time, he was made Baron Ashley of Wimborne St Giles, in the County of Dorset; and Baron Cooper of Pawlett, in the County of Somerset. The Baronetcy of Rockbourne, in Southampton, was created in the Baronetage of England in 1622 for the Earl's father, John Cooper who sat as a Member of Parliament for Poole. These titles are also in the Peerage of England. Baron Ashley is used as a courtesy title by the Earl's eldest son and heir apparent.

Table format
It is proposed that the recent change from the list of title holders to a table of title holders be reverted to the list. User:Tryde states, "This kind of table for holders of titles has never been used in any articles on peerages or baronetcies, and I can't see why we would change this."

Comments

 * I concur and prefer the list format. In my opinion, it is more appealing and doesn't overwhelm the rest of the article. If the reader is interested in the detailed information on each individual, they can follow the appropriate link to that article. Cindamuse (talk) 09:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Cooper Baronetcy
It is proposed that the recent change removing the Cooper Baronetcy be reverted. User:Tryde states, "[the list of the Cooper Baronetcy] has always been the style used to include holders of baronetcies and other junior titles in peerage articles, see for instance Earl of Kimberley.

Comments

 * I concur, based on Tryde's statement that the previous junior title holders are included in peerage articles. Cindamuse (talk) 09:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

 * There is an MoS for peerage articles at WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage. Tryde (talk) 10:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

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Troy and Greenfield Railroad

The Troy and Greenfield Railroad, chartered in 1848, ran from Greenfield, Massachusetts, United States, to the Vermont state line. It was leased to the Troy and Boston Railroad in 1856, then consolidated into Fitchburg Railroad 1887 which in turn was acquired by Boston and Maine Railroad by lease in 1900.

Station list

 * Troy, New York
 * Lansingburg, New York
 * Melrose, New York
 * East Schaghticoke, New York
 * Valley Falls, New York
 * Johnsonville, New York
 * Buskirk, New York
 * East Buskirk, New York
 * Eagle Bridge, New York
 * Hoosick Junction, New York
 * Hoosick Falls, New York
 * Hoosick, New York
 * Petersburg Junction, New York
 * North Pownal, Vermont
 * Pownal, Vermont
 * Williamstown, Massachusetts
 * Blackington Station, Massachusetts
 * Greylock Station, Massachusetts
 * North Adams, Massachusetts
 * Hoosac Tunnel
 * Hoosac Tunnel Station Connection with Hoosac Tunnel and Wilmington Railroad
 * Zoar Station, Massachusetts
 * Charlemont, Massachusetts
 * Buckland, Massachusetts
 * Shelburne Falls, Massachusetts
 * Bardwells Ferry, Massachusetts
 * South River, Massachusetts Connection with Conway Electric Street Railway
 * West Deerfield, Massachusetts
 * Greenfield, Massachusetts

title: Troy and Greenfield Railroad


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Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Netoholic 2/Proposed decision

temporary injunctions
You're kidding, right? User:Xiong has been a persistent thorn in the side of everyone on WP:TFD, and nothing in my interactions with him has remotely resembled a personal attack. This user's behavior has been increasingly odd. Don't assume that because he's very verbose, that everything he says has complete validity.

As far as reverts in Wikipedia: space, none have been abusive and all have had along with them clear explanations and, incidently, been supported by other users. David says that in the last 24 hours, I've been revrting excessively in the Wikipedia: space, well, let's take a look, shall we? Counting up reverts in the last day, I see only four reverts (plus one partial self-revert) on three different pages. Two of them have not been undone and remain, and two were. ALL were either explained in the summary, or if needed, were discussed by me on Talk.

People edit pages, people revert, people discuss. Picking me out is unfair, since I can probably find other people with more reverts over the same periond. -- Netoholic @ 17:52, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)

Deliberately provocative edits as a result of this injunction
Below I am documenting the deliberately provocative edits made to pages of interest to me, which appear to have been done solely in light of my inability to revert Wikipedia: pages. -- Netoholic @ 02:02, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)

 * - Neutrality removes a {Move to Wikibooks} template which I inserted on the How to make complex illustrations using FreeHand and Photoshop page, despite the discussion on the talk page, and the appropriateness of the suggestion.

 * Comments
 * I encourage you to assume good faith and consider the possibility that Neutrality just disagreed with you. Snowspinner 02:11, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * I only wish that others assumed good faith as much as they ask me to.  If he disagreed, he can post on the talk page.  Removing the notice was provocative. -- Netoholic @ 02:29, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)
 * I have trouble believing that removing a notice is itself provocative. Presumably the provocation comes because you are not allowed to revert him, in which case I admit to being puzzled - editing pages in a way you disagree with is provocative while you're banned from reverting? Snowspinner 02:57, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * When the person is a party to this case, fails to explain that removal with not even an edit summary, or even post on the talk page, yes. Neutrality has made many edits just to provoke me, such as with the minor revert war on WP:RFC, as described on the Evidence page.  -- Netoholic @ 03:00, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)
 * I would assume he looked at the talk page, agreed with Xiong, and figured that his reverting to Xiong's version would indicate this adequately. I have trouble with the idea that disagreement with you can constitute provocation - that would seem to mean that you could chase Neutrality and anyone else who has been involved in this complaint off of a page by editing it. That's surely not the point of an editing restriction. Snowspinner 03:16, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * I am further disappointed that you made a revert in substance in response. If Neutrality's edit was provocative, the proper response was most certainly not to make a provocative re-insertion of your request to move in different words. Snowspinner 03:17, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Speaking as an arbitrator, I would be extremely reluctant to count disagreeing with someone as "provocation" - David Gerard 09:17, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Temporary Injunction & Additional Evidence
Arbcom members: I have spoken with Netoholic since his last posting here and he has agreed for me to serve as his Advocate. I have an agreement from him that he is going to refrain from reverts and will be more measured in his responses to other members. I would submit though that criticizing a position on a template is not a personal attack. I have seen little evidence submitted regarding this point. That being said, again, I have an agreement from him regarding his conduct while you consider this case.

I have also submitted some revised evidence that I ask you to consider before rendering judgment in this case.

Thank you.

--Wgfinley 07:50, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Response to David Gerard's Diffs on Temporary Injunction
I just wanted to take a few moments and respond to the diffs that David Gerard listed. In reviewing the evidence in this case it is clear there are a number of users who follow Netoholic about to provoke disputes with him. I am not trying to state that Netoholic has not himself been incivil at times but if you look at the history of interactions you can begin to understand why.
 * Diff 1 is a response to this diff from Susvolans . This is a direct jab at Netoholic in which Susvolans pointed out the template was useful for him adding evidence against Netoholic in this case.  Clearly Netoholic is sensitive about matters concerning this case and Susvolans provoked him here.  The sole personal attack is "troll".
 * Diff 2 is where Netoholic states that Xiong's behavior is "increasingly odd". I don't believe this rises to the level of a personal attack.  More on this later.
 * Diff 3 is another response to a direct attack from Susvolans . He makes an attack of his own stating that Netoholic is "baiting" someone and that he will "fall into a trap".  These comments are far more representative of a personal attack than Netoholic's response.  I also believe that Raul654 is in little need of warnings about dealing with other members as he does it quite well quite frequently.  Again, a clear prod at Netoholic by someone who isn't a party to the dispute and chooses to insert themselves to rile him.
 * I can't find much of a personal attack in Diff 4 aside from "am I the only one that reads".  Since it isn't directed at anyone in particular I don't see how it is construed as a personal attack though it is an area of opportunity for Netoholic to be more civil which I am working on with him.  As the previous 3 diffs show though, he's been besieged by people provoking him.
 * Diff 5, while it has some colorful language does little more than accuse another user of crusading against him. I think I've firmly established the reasons for Netoholic's "bunker" mentality and am working with him to address it.  That being said, another user referred to this proposal as "absurd" .  There is not a single vote in favor of Xiong's proposal  and by his numerous mentions of Netoholic in his proposal  it is clear that Xiong is engaging in disruption to prove a point here  with his proposal.  I would point out that Neutrality and Snowspinner in their submitted evidence accused Netoholic of engaging in a crusade yet this hasn't been cited as a personal attack, it's an observation.
 * Diff 6 is again, another response to another poke at Netoholic by Xiong. This is a case of two users, Xiong and Susvolans taking it upon themselves to unilaterally state Netoholic's submission of a TfD is out of line and removing the tags.  Please note in Diff 5 above and the proposed replacement from Xiong that Netoholic did not respond in kind.  I don't believe this constitutes a personal attack given the strong wording of Xiong's comment and accusations of "malicious vandalism".

In summation, I will stipulate that Netoholic has been uncivil at times, I am endeavoring to work with him on that issue. I think I have clearly demonstrated he has been provoked an equal number of times and he usually becomes uncivil only after he has been, I believe, deliberately provoked.

--Wgfinley 18:53, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * If you feel that Xiong and Susvolans are following Netoholic around to try and provoke him, you might wish to start an RfC against one or both of them (are joint RfCs allowed?). Thryduulf 19:41, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * My current focus is to serve as an advocate for Netoholic and as such I need to focus on this case right now. I am hopeful that his relations with other users can be worked out in other manners of conflict resolution without going to RfC now that I'm involved.  --Wgfinley 20:03, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Injunction broken already
Within hours of the first injunction being placed, Netoholic broke it and is currently on a 24-hour block. Injunctions are placed so as to keep the peace in situations involving those who apparently can't control themselves without a very short leash; I fear that appears to be the case here. I urge arbitrators to pass the second injunction - if Netoholic is so very good at keeping to its strictures (no personal attacks) anyway, then it'll never kick in - David Gerard 09:16, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * My edit was not a revert by any commonly applied definition. Neutrality removed the Template:Move to Wikibooks with no explanation, or edit summary.  I placed a signed comment on the top of the page pointing out a discussion on the talk page about the requested move -- I did not undo Neutrality's edit.  Noone would ever reasonably use my edit to justify a 3RR block, and such blocks would be quickly undone by people with a more practical standard of what a revert is.
 * This injunction is not a ban. Do not suddenly pretend that normal standards can be made more flexibly interpreted.  Use common sense judgement.  I now fear that people are going to block me for reverting vandalism, reverting myself, rephrasing a section of a page, etc. by using looser standards than normal.  David's "short leash" is more like a cat-o-nine-tails. -- Netoholic @ 10:12, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)

 * I would, in fact, 3RR someone who found four different ways to phrase "Move this to Wikibooks" and inserted them all, one after another, and had them removed. Snowspinner 12:11, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * And, actually, as I read the IRC discussion where you repeatedly asked for your block to be looked at, I can't help but notice that a whole bunch of admins who looked at it also said it was a revert. So I think your claim that nobody would have held this as a revert is untrue - especially since several of the editors saying it was a revert (bish, nsh) have never, to my knowledge, been on the "Has a crusade against Netoholic" list. Unless disagreeing with you is itself unreasonable. Snowspinner 12:21, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

As far as the personal attacks injunction - it is completely inappropriate. I admit I have been defensive lately (who wouldn't be), but I despise true personal attacks and do not use them. If I've made a mistake in the past, I have removed or rephrased it on my own or by request. Criticism is different, and is not covered in WP:NPA. Please do no leave this open to more "loose" interpretation, when the evidence shows that personal attacks are a rarity.

I feel the need to point out that these overly harsh injunctions are not based off any evidence in this case. They are the creation of David Gerard, who I have asked to recuse from this case since the beginning because he has a strong negative bias against me and an even stronger bias in favor of Snowspinner. I have to ask him again to consider recusing, and ask the other Arbitrators to encourage him to do so. -- Netoholic @ 10:26, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)

 * You asked me to recuse, but despite me repeatedly saying you had provided no justification when you did so, you provided no justification. In fact, you still haven't - just blank assertions. What was your actual reason? With diffs. - David Gerard 22:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Injunction Issue
I have been contacted by Netoholic as well as David Gerard regarding the recent block of Netoholic for violation of the temporary injunction which passed on 7 April. Unfortunately I wasn't able to speak for Netoholic very long yesterday as I spent a large portion of the day without internet service. I would like to bring a few facts concerning this matter to the attention of the Arbcom:
 * Per the Wikipedia Arbitration policy:
 * An Injunction is considered to have passed when four or more Arbitrators have voted in favour of it, where a vote in opposition negates a vote in support. A grace period of twenty four hours is usually observed between the fourth Aye vote and the enactment of the Injunction; however, Arbitrators may, in exceptional circumstances, vote to implement an injunction immediately if four or more Arbitrators express a desire to do so in their votes, or if a majority of Arbitrators active on the case have already voted to support the Injunction.

 * The 4th vote in favor of the injunction was not made until 10:41 UTC on 7 April by sannse. David Gerard is the only member who specified the grace period in his vote.  Per the policy the 24 hour grace period should have been in effect untill 10:41 UTC on 8 April as no arbitrator voted to put it in effect immediately.
 * While Netoholic's action is certainly pushing the envelope of what would be considered a revert it is not a revert in and of itself as the Move to Wikibooks tag was not reinserted.
 * This action was taken at 20:58 UTC on 7 April which is within the 24 hour grace period.

At this point I would like to ask the Arbcom to issue another injunction in this case and that is that all parties refrain from reverting each other. It is inordinately difficult for me to work with Netoholic and try to resolve this in a meaningful manner when he is being provoked. I am not attempting to excuse any of his behavior and certainly he needs to be responsible for his own actions. However, the fact remains I believe there is convincing evidence here of deliberate attempts to provoke him and that should not be encouraged.

I have made further reference to this in an entry on the Evidence page  which I feel is a better forum to present this information.

--Wgfinley 15:29, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Your interpretation is not the ArbCom's interpretation. I put 24 hours on my vote to make it not kick in for that time; that does not automatically apply to anyone else's vote. Your argument that it does seems novel, to say the least.

 * Furthermore, I really am not going to entertain as an arbitrator the notion that disagreement counts as provocation suitable to excuse an action, and I really doubt any other arbitrator is either. - David Gerard 22:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * No interpretation is required, on its face it is plainly stated:
 * Arbitrators may, in exceptional circumstances, vote to implement an injunction immediately if four or more Arbitrators express a desire to do so in their votes'
 * No arbitrator voted to implement the injunction immediately so the grace period should apply.

 * Finally, there is no attempt to show this is a disagreement, far from, I think there is evidence it is quite deliberate. I also fail to understand why you would endorse Neutrality's action when you specifically mentioned reverting without explaining in discussion pages as a reason for the injunction against Netoholic.  --Wgfinley 22:23, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * All of this misses the point that Netoholic clearly considered himself bound by the injunction and then flouted it anyway. I have trouble with a defense of "The injunction didn't apply yet" when the person in question was acting as though it did apply. If he'd thought he could still revert, that would be one thing. That he thought he couldn't and did anyway is shameful, even if, in fact, he could. Snowspinner 22:34, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * The decision page, on the other hand, puts the 24 hours from the first vote. As Netoholic accused Neutrality's edit of provocation, he clearly thought that he was under the injunction, and so I think the legalistic hair-splitting here is well beside the point - the fact of the matter is that Netoholic looked at the injunction, looked at the revert, and decided that he was going to reinsert the substance of what Neutrality removed under different words. If the only defense you can mount of that is that it was technically within the rules, then quite frankly, the action is indefensible - restraint, common sense, civility, and courtesy were all ignored here by Netoholic.

 * The issue is not that Netoholic is being provoked. It's that he has come to the point where he views anyone who disagrees with him as trying to provoke him. As for the idea of a revert injunction against all participants, I have to say, that seems rather unfair considering that I haven't reverted an edit of Netoholic's in the Wikipedia namespace in some time, and there is no evidence presented of misconduct on my part or Neutrality's. Snowspinner 16:29, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * The decision page says: 24 hours from the first vote is normally the fastest an injunction will be imposed. It doesn't say that will be the case.  Such a rule wouldn't make any sense, if an injunction is proposed and nobody votes in favor of it until 3 days later is the person the injunction is against bound by that?  Of course not.  Hence, the policy sets clear guidelines for the 24 hour grace period and that anything shorter is an exception to the rule and requires it be specified by those voting for the injunction.

 * Secondly, I'm not the only one who believes the definition of a "revert" has been stretched in this case.. Nor, as you can see, am I the only one who sees Neutrality suddenly interceding in the article as a curious coincidence.

 * When you are talking about denying someone their privileges as an editor I think pointing out that the person in question may have been provoked is a valid defense and something the Arbcom should consider. Provocation while the case is ongoing or use of the mention of the case to provoke should be seriously considered.

 * Finally, I don't understand the objection to my proposed injunction. I think in the issue of fairness that parties to the dispute should refrain from editing or reverting each other, that's only fair.  I think, for instance, an agreement that all parties going to arbitration agree to follow the principles set forth in the Harmonious Editing Club while the case is under consideration would be a good idea.  I find it hard to understand why it would not be a good idea for all parties in a case to keep their distance while the case is considered.  --Wgfinley 22:02, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm a party too, unfortunately. *sigh* I guess I can live with HEC rules for a short while. Kim Bruning 22:06, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, yes. An injunction is not normal standards of editing, which is the whole point of it. It was phrased as a tight leash and it was quickly voted for as a tight leash. Probably a more productive approach that would reflect well upon Netoholic's conduct would be to show that he can keep to it flawlessly (which would in fact be strongly to his credit), rather than showing that he cannot and apparently refuses to (which would be strongly to his discredit) - surely that's the obvious sensible response - David Gerard 22:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The "fourth vote" is actually an error on the policy page. We started adding a delay a while after the new members were elected to the committee - the speed of closure suddenly increased, and cases were closed before all had a chance to check the final form. So we introduced a delay of 24 hours from the time of the first vote (which is also usually 24 hours from the time the committee is informed of the motion to close). If you look a the cases this has been implemented in, you'll see that the first vote is the usual (I think this was the first time we used the method). From the history of the policy page, it looks like the error was introduced with Grunt's recent updates. I won't fix this right now, as it's a current issue, but it certainly needs fixing. But anyway, if we are going to rules lawyer here, the wording of the section dealing with injunctions is worded in such as way as to be a suggestion and not a requirement. "A grace period of twenty four hours is usually observed" (not "is required to be observed") - so not only is this an error, in my opinion it doesn't say what you think it does anyway. -- sannse (talk) 19:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I just want to take a moment to clarify my position on this injunction on behalf of my client Netoholic as I have spoken with him in greater depth about the issues concerning the injunction and the revert previously discussed.

First, it is not our position that the strictest interpretation of the rules is needed in every case, far from, we support the Ignore All Rules principal. However, we do feel there is an established precedent and guideline for a 24 hour grace period that Netoholic should qualify under just as any other member would.

Second, and I wish to make this very clear, it was not Netoholic's intention to violate or circumvent the injunction or the direction of the Arbcom in any way. He acted, under provocation, in a manner that he thought would still comply with the injunction while reflect his opinion about the revert. After he was blocked he was very distressed and made some postings here that, upon further reflection, are rather harsh. We ask for the Arbcom's understanding at the frustration this entire matter has caused him along with the repeated reference to this case by Netoholic's detractors as I have submitted in evidence.

Finally, to reiterate our position on the true cause of the matter:
 * Neutrality reverted Netoholic without reason in violation of Wikipedia policy Always explain your reverts.
 * This very policy was cited as the reason for the injunction against Netoholic.
 * Neutrality is a party to this case and was certainly aware of the injunction as such.
 * Neutrality had no prior involvement in the article in question before he reverted Netoholic.
 * Neutrality reverted Netoholic only after the injunction was approved.
 * Given all of the above one could reasonably believe the intent of the revert was to provoke Netoholic and and this action reflects poorly on the community.

With all this said, I regret very much to have to make such allegations against a respected member of the community and an Arbcom member. However, I feel there is little doubt that, in regard to his dealings with Netoholic, Neutrality, on several occasions now, has acted in poor judgment. Such behavior and actions (along with others from all sides) have seriously diminished the ability of the ruling on this case to have any constructive resolution to the dispute. --Wgfinley 00:02, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * On "there is an established precedent and guideline for a 24 hour grace period that Netoholic should qualify under just as any other member would" - yes, there is, and he did. As I've explained - the usual grace period is 24 hours from the first vote, as was given in this case.    On your other points - for now, just a reassurance that I have read and understood your comments and will consider them fully - I'm sure the other arbitrators on the case will do the same.  -- sannse (talk) 22:48, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know if comments from outsiders are really considered appriopriate. I'm fairly new and am not too familiar with how Arbcom works. There are some issues with this case that I find somewhat disconcerting.
 * I agree with Wgfinley's objections on most points. That members of Arbcom, even if they're not presiding in the case at hand, should avoid direct confrontation that have to do with any ongoing cases. Even the possibility of rasiing an accusation of bias against Arbcom should be enough for individual members to simply stay away from this kind of conflict. Surely, there must be countless other admins to handly any violations. My outsider's impression of this dispute is that it's mostly about politics. Very influential people are upset with Netoholic and he's not really doing anything to appease anyone. I think it's clouding a lot of people's judgements, since the dispute does not give the impression of being all that serious. Even if I feel that this RfAr is valid and should probably lead to at least some sort of parole, I think Wgfinley's objections should be taken much more seriously.
 * A lot of people involved should try to stay a bit cooler if they're demanding that Netoholic do the same. Especially considering the amount of quite obvious provocations directed his way. Kicking people while they're down is completely unacceptable and should be discouraged by everyone. Peter Isotalo 02:01, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
For the record I don't like having my request for adminship being one of the central pieces of evidence. I don't even know why. It just bothers me. I'd prefer if some other pieces of evidence could be used instead [refering to the two findings of fact]. BrokenSegue 03:26, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't remember if I put this in or not, but it is one of the few clear pieces of evidence I have found. I guess if it is the only evidence, there would not be much of a case. I am tempted to remove it just to see if that is the case. But I'll just keep that possibility in mind. We need to find a lot more than that to justify any substantial ruling. Fred Bauder 15:10, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry it troubles you, and I can understand how it might. But Netoholic's behaviour on it is an excellent illustration for FoF 7: an example of disruptiveness, revert warring and assumption of bad faith in one package, so I do want to keep it in - David Gerard 00:17, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Advocate Withdrawal
Unfortunately after consultation with Netoholic I've elected to withdraw from serving further as his advocate at this time. I am hopeful the Arbcom will use this as a point of information and not any particular finding of fact in this case. --Wgfinley 20:24, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Talked to my "client" today and appears there was a miscommunication, I will continue to serve as his advocate. --Wgfinley 02:30, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Two suggested changes...
I hope no-one minds my making these suggestions. In the title of FoF 4, consensus is spelled concensus. Secondly, I think it might be better to say juristiction rather than competance in FoF 6. "Juristiction" would suggest that this is not a matter for the ArbCom to decide, while "competance" is a) calling into question the ArbCom members' ability, and b) sidestepping the issue. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 19:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * On the first - thanks, spelling fixed. On the second - This hinges on a technical issue, and not a policy issue, and I have no ability to assess the issues in such a case.  In matters of technical detail I'm very happy or the word to be competence.   -- sannse (talk) 01:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 13:06, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mentorship note
I reworded the AC's email to Netoholic for tense and person. This is the original note. Please alert us if I fouled up anywhere! - David Gerard 17:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * [emailed to arbcom list, Kim Bruning, wgfinley, Netoholic via Wikipedia user page]

 * I've been asked to email you about a proposal in your case.

 * The most likely remedies were considered to be a ban from anywhere except article and article talk space or a ban from editing altogether, either of these to be combined with a revert restriction. However, Kim Bruning convinced us that a mentorship for you may be workable, and that your editing pattern and ways of working with others in Wikipedia: space are correctable. So we decided to put it together and ask you privately if it sounds workable to you before putting it out publicly.

 * The plan for this is to have three mentors: Raul654, Kim Bruning and Grunt. The mentors have the power to, by decree, remove your privileges to edit a particular page or namespace, or to ban you for up to a week if the situation warrants it.

 * They will also act *for* you, as your advocate if needed: that if you're expressing yourself disastrously (e.g. in the meta-templates issue, where you were arguably completely technically correct, but interacted so negatively with others that you actually convinced them you weren't), they will step in and help communication as needed.

 * If at any time, you feel the mentors are too restrictive on you, you can change your mind and opt for the namespace and revert restriction.

 * The mentoring arrangement will be reviewed after six months. If the mentors think it's working well, they can lessen or end their supervision of your editing. If they think it's failed (at the six month review or at any earlier time), you would be back to the namespace and revert restriction.

 * Note that the three mentors are to have a free hand, do not have veto over each other's actions, will be communicating closely and will generally trust each other's judgement. That is, playing mentors off against each other is unlikely to be workable.

namespace edit restriction
"2) Netoholic is restricted to editing only in the article namespace and article talk namespaces for twelve months, with a restriction to one revert per day"

 * I think that he should be allowed to edit his user and talk pages, and communicate with other users on their talk pages. Thryduulf 18:08, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, yes, you're quite right - especially given this is a current issue - David Gerard 20:18, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There isn't evidence questioning my social interactions except within the Wikipedia: space and in the narrow instances related to the Sisterproject template. Certainly, I am quite positively productive within the Template: space, have assisted in the Help: space, do much clean-up of Categories, and participate without controversy in many, many Wikipedia: pages, polls, and votes. I don't do much with Images or Media, so I guess I wouldn't miss that, but then... why would I be banned from it?

Honestly, an editing ban to everything outside of the article space isn't called for, even as a back-up to mentoring. Please propose something which addresses the direct concerns, rather than this. Something like a one-revert restriction in Wikipedia: and Template: pages would seem appropriate. Anything more is just punishment for punishment's sake, without reason. -- Netoholic @ 18:42, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

 * Neto - Remedy #2 is the penalty that ensues if Remedy #3 doesn't work out. Maybe those should be renumbered?  Whatever the case, Remedy #2 is the "hammer" if the mentorship arrangement doesn't work out.  --Wgfinley 19:00, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * That "hammer" is an axe. Remedy #2 should not be intentionally more restrictive in light of the mentorship arrangement. It should be whatever is most justified in light of the evidence given.  -- Netoholic @ 20:29, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

 * Net, there's an Australian phrase: "cop it sweet". It means, there's a time when further complaint will probably be futile.

 * With the mentorship in place, you can still in fact contribute in the Wikipedia namespace, the template namespace and so on, you can still revert, etc. The mentors are quite keen to help and be on your side in working out disputes with others. You have energy and ideas and they want you to be able to get them across effectively. Really, it's a good deal - David Gerard 20:18, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The mentorship is a good arrangement. What I'm questioning is why there is such a strictness to the "back-up" plan.  Why can't the back-up plan realistically mirror what people have given evidence of, and what the FoF's show indicate?   Don't make the back-up plan intentionally more restrictive in light of the mentorship.   I see the mentorship as a partnership, but one that either side can decide is not in their best interests.  By putting such a harsh option behind it doesn't make it feel much like a partnership of choice. -- Netoholic @ 20:27, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

 * Quite the contrary - having such an alternative gives you a strong incentive to make the mentorship work. Remedy 3 is not a back-up plan; it's the last resort. And, just so we're clear on this, remedy 3 is probably the exact same remedy you would have gotten if the mentorship was never proposed. You should be grateful that the arbitration committee has decided to give you a reprieve, in the form of the mentorship. →Raul654 21:06, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * That punishment FAR outweighs anything given out to others who have had evidence showing controversy in only a few specific areas. Banning me from namespaces which I've had no trouble in, and from associated Talk pages as well, is grossly outrageous.
 * Let me put this another way... in six months time, or any time before then, you three mentors are going to constantly be under this as well. If for some reasons things stop working out in your eyes, you three mentors are left with the only option being an effective ban on me from the project. How will that weigh on your decisions?
 * Please don't think I'm not grateful... but I have to ask that if a 12-month ban is what they think is reasonable ... then why are they even considering this mentorship? How can I be so bad in one way, but yet be redeemable? -- Netoholic @ 21:21, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

 * O:-) Kim Bruning 21:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The Arbitration Committee will be open to suggestions by the mentors should any be offered regarding modification of the degree. Fred Bauder 22:00, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * And if 2.1 passes instead, then that would go both ways, I'd be open to extending the ban if they suggested it -- sannse (talk) 00:04, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Net does have a point. I've supported 2.1 now - David Gerard 00:17, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you. Ironically, this "lighter" alternative makes it less difficult for the mentors to withdraw, and consequently gives me even more incentive to make it work.  It is pin-point to the issues brought up in the case. -- Netoholic @ 00:59, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

 * The part about this being about the namespace totally flew over my head, I thought it was the severity of the punishment (as far as length, etc) if the mentorship didn't work out. That appears to have been addressed and endorsed in 2.1 and seems to be much more agreeable all around, sorry I missed your point Neto.  --Wgfinley 03:27, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Question for the mentors
Are there any immediate plans to limit my editing (per the agreement) upon the decision becoming final? -- Netoholic @ 00:59, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)
 * Not from me, but I will be watching. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:26, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)
 * I do not as yes, but I have not been watching closely, so I don't know if you are currently doing anything that warrants it. A quick look through your last 50 edits didn't set off any red flags. →Raul654 02:28, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Talk with folks and try to get some good advice while you're working. You can trust your mentors, folks like wgfinley and bishonen, and a bit unlikely but true also folks like Sam Spade and Snowspinner.
 * * As long as you talk with those folks and listen to their advice carefully, then you can count on me, no matter what.
 * * If you choose to go it alone, feel free! Typically things will go ok anyway, and you'll be showing initiative.
 * * However, if you choose to go it alone, and something blows up in your face, EVEN IF IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, I shall personally fit you a new set of concrete overshoes and take you swimming. Capice?
 * Kim Bruning 17:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

One question and one suggestion
First off, the wording of your "Proposed enforcement" has me confused. From the wording, it appears that for even serious violations that would normally get any editor immediately banned (e.g. WP:3RR, etc.), that Netoholic would not get banned until administrators had discussed matters with the mentors. Is that really what you intended?

Second: I personally think that Netoholic's behavior has been serious enough that even with the mentorship agreement (for which I applaud the ArbComm for considering, and I applaud the mentors for volunteering for the duty), that Netoholic should get some "token" ban from editing so that he knows what he is risking if he doesn't change the way he interacts with other Wikipedia editors.

Also, in looking over the evidence, I think that it would be useful for Netoholic and the mentors to come to some sort of agreement over his editing behavior before this RFAR is cleared so that everyone is clear over what is expected of Netoholic. One suggestion: Netoholic should think about becoming a member of the Harmonious editing club, and even if he doesn't, he should edit as if he was a member. One revert/page/day (except for vandalism). No second reverts without discussion on the article's talk page. Clearly labeling all reverts. Calling anyone a troll should be verboten. Blank Verse  ∅  08:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The enforcement aspect is phrased as a request for that reason - so that if an admin does block Net for a blockable policy violation, there's no comeback on that admin. But if Net revert-wars, for instance, I think we can reasonably assume that his mentors will deal with it suitably.

 * I'm pretty sure Net appreciates that this is a gift from the angels. Also, see above section chatting with Raul and Grunt.

 * I think with these three mentors, they (1) really do want to get Netoholic working well with others (the carrot) and (2) will deal with problems effectively (the stick). Think of it as "you have three psychic mothers checking on you." - David Gerard 10:10, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Quite honestly, in Netoholic's arguing above, it appears obvious to me that he still doesn't see how seriously disruptive he has been for a very long time on the Wikipedia. Just the fact that the ArbComm hasn't considered any lesser penalties should have made it plain to him how serious the ArbComm has considered his behavior. He's been able to survive two RFC's, one RFM, and a previous RFAR without any serious consequences, but finally some action is being taken. Besides, there is plenty of more evidence that I could have added to the case, but I just haven't had the spare time to do it (not anything that I've been involved in, but just more actions of his that I've stumbled upon as I've explored the Wikipedia).

 * If Netoholic and his mentors really want to show that this will work, then they can work together to try to resolve the problems with User:Xiong. He had already shown that he could be a little excitable (witness his China-naming ultimatum Xiong's last word). But after Xiong's comments at Wikipedia talk:Avoid using meta-templates it looks to me as if Netoholic went through Xiong's User Contributions to find ways to attack him. Witness Netholic's actions with multiple TFD nominations, the revert war with Xiong's Photoshop article, etc. Netoholic's actions made have been within Wikipedia policy, but I seriously doubt that they were made in good faith. Even while this RFAR has been active and Netoholic has been under a Wikipedia namespace no revert injunction, he has reverted at least one Xiong-created Template article multiple times without any Talk page discussion (see Template:Tilde history and Template talk:Tilde). Currently Xiong is the subject of two RFC's (one of them started by Netoholic), and the odds are that at least one person will end up filing a RFAR against Xiong.

 * My personal opinion is that if Netoholic had been able to find a similar way to attack my edits on the Wikipedia, that I would also have received a similiar sort of attack by him because of my comments and edits at Wikipedia talk:Avoid using meta-templates and Avoid using meta-templates. Blank Verse  ∅  11:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Your last paragraph is the key to this entire thing. I freely admit that, upon seeing that Xiong is chronically bad at creating bad templates, I did go through his contributions in that space and nominated those I felt do not belong.  Trust me when I say this is not the first time I've done this, nor is it the first time anyone else has.  For whatever reasons, bad template creations or changes tend to come in "runs" from certain users. Especially with regards to templates, which are quite obscure compared to articles, it is only due diligence to keep an eye out for unnecessary ones.  When one user demonstrates that his ideas for the Template space are poor on average, such as Xiong's, then I do not feel bad nominating them.  Why Xiong feels this is a "vendetta", I can't say, but he has been showing that he has an even worse time working with other editors than I do (Requests for comment/Xiong).
 * I have not "attacked" your edits, because that's not what I do. I think you do pretty well editing.  I also, before Xiong disruption on Wikipedia talk:Avoid using meta-templates, was actively encouraging your participation and trying to work in all the feedback from you and others.  I think you're blowing my history on Wikipedia way out of proportion and failing to judge it impartially, though I see your viewpoint on some items.  I've approached you before to find ways to get you to stop berating me, so please take that under consideration.  Perhaps if you talk with my mentors, that would help. -- Netoholic @ 14:44, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

 * BlankVerse, when you're down to saying you're convinced that you "would also have received a similiar sort of attack" by Netoholic, if he had had any reason to attack you, isn't it time to stop? I do believe your suggestions and criticisms are made in good faith and not vindictively, but I just find it hard to believe that this experiment will benefit from them. A lot of people are going to put a lot of work into it, Neto most of all (well, I think so—I get a different message from what he writes on this page than you do). Can't you let it go, now that the case has come so far, stop insisting that Netoholic mustn't get to keep any dignity, and have a little hope? Bishonen | talk 15:48, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Believe me when I say that I want to see this solution work. I had even thought of proposing a similar solution early on in this RFAR, except that I couldn't see anyone wanting to act as a mentor for Netoholic. I greatly admire the three mentors who have volunteered—especially since User:Raul654 had already tried to work with Netoholic unsuccessfully (based on his evidence and his comments regarding during the Netoholic/Raul654 RFM), and User:Kim Bruning had tried to work with Netoholic and was ignored (based on his comments as an involved party in this RFAR).

I am worried, however, about the success of this proposed solution since Netoholic seems to want to "lawyer" matters to the bitter end. I also think that he is still making excuses for himself, and he refuses to acknowledge some of his disruptive behavior (e.g. his reverts of my edits of Avoid using meta-templates were definately "attacks", as well as his calling me a troll). I also have to admit that I am bothered by the fact that Netoholic doesn't seem to show any repentance for his disruptive behavior.

Still, I wish the best of luck to Netoholic's three mentors and I hope that this will work out for the best for everyone that has been involved. If any of the mentors wish to contact me, there is my talk page, and my email contact is enabled as well. Blank Verse  ∅ 10:32, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

My Personal Thanks On This Case
I wanted to take a moment to express my gratitude to a lot of people regarding this case. A couple of weeks ago I was fairly certain there was absolutely no good that could come from the decision in this case and I am glad those fears were proven premature. I'm hopeful that plea had something to do with this decision and even if it didn't I don't really care, what's important to me is how this affects Neto, I'm not looking for accolades.

I believe this case has done a complete 180 -- it's gone from what I've described above to perhaps one of the best Arbcom decisions ever rendered (if adopted). It acknowledges the issues, it has gone "outside of the box" for a solution to those issues and it has strived to find the real meaning behind the actions. It's thoughtful, creative, and I believe, visionary. In fact, it's led me to believe that something we need on Wikipedia is an association of mentors where more cases like these can be referred to if that is found to be something useful. It would also be a great place for new users to get started when they're first embarking on their journey.

So, I would like to thank all the Arbcom members, whether you recused or not (as I have had conversations with some of you that did), for their thoughtful deliberation of this matter. I know you have a thankless job, serving on a school board for two years I have an idea of what that feels like because, like you, school board members in my state are not paid. This was my first official case as an advocate before the Arbcom so I am hopeful I made a good impression although I'm certain I made some rookie mistakes.

Secondly, I have to thank kim_bruning who started out as someone who enjoined in the case against Neto and has demonstrated in many many conversations since that he is someone who believes in the inherent good in most people and that there's always something that can be done to turn things around for people if they try.

Finally, I want to thank everyone who took a moment to give Neto the benefit of the doubt and tried to look deeper in this case beyond the initial reaction. I think Neto is very intelligent and thoughtful and is frequently misunderstood. I'm hopeful the remedies in this case will help him not only on Wikipedia but in life. What we do here on Wikipedia, I think, is on the cutting edge of human interaction on the net. It's based on a belief that with everyone given the freedom to edit as he/she chooses the best results can be achieved. Sure, sometimes it needs some help along the way and that's why we have policies, guidelines and processes. But even all of those things are born out of that philosophy of freedom. I'm hopeful that a lot of people will take a step back and look at this case, where it started out and where it has gone, and relate that to their beliefs about our community in general. --Wgfinley 19:16, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Recent Injunction violation
As I have pointed out on the evidence page, Netoholic has been reverting in the Wikipedia namespace in violation of the temporary injunction. The fact that the reverts are a continuation of his bullying of User:Xiong, and that one was a revert of User:Kim Bruning, one of his mentors, (after Kim asked Netoholic NOT to revert—see Netoholic's Talk page) should also be considered in this matter. Blank Verse  ∅ 01:53, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

 * The case is closed now, but I imagine his mentors will rapidly take to not tolerating this. Snowspinner 02:21, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * The necessary votes for closure are there, but the Final Decision has not been recorded. I still count it as a violation that requires a 24 hr. ban. I'll "lawyer" this as well as Netoholic can. Blank Verse  ∅  02:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Eh. Why fan the flames. Snowspinner 02:47, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * It is Netoholic who is fanning the flames of his dispute with Xiong. If Neto would just quit getting into revert wars, there would be nothing to report (and this RFAR would never have happened, and Netoholic would probably have become an Admin). Blank Verse <font color=#2554C7> <font color=#F660AB>∅  03:02, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Whatever your opinion on whether my move decision was correct or not, I did discuss it on the talk page. And page moves have never been considered a revert. -- Netoholic @ 02:51, 2005 May 4 (UTC)

 * You did discuss on the talk page, but didn't wait for anyone to respond before you did the move. And then you didn't do any discussion before the later page move.

 * A page move has the same effect as a revert in many cases (like this one, for example), so you are just trying to find a loophole. There is only one rule that you should be following, Use Common Sense, but that seems to be lacking. Blank <font color= 	#F88017>Verse <font color=#2554C7> <font color=#F660AB>∅  03:02, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I was explaining stuff to Netoholic and we were moving stuff around. We'll get it right. Sorry to disturb. Kim Bruning 03:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


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Pamola

Pamola (also known as Pamolai, P-mol-a, Pomola, and Bmola) is a legendary bird spirit that appears in Abenaki mythology. This spirit causes cold weather.

Specifically, according to the Penobscot tribal nation, Pamola inhabited Katahdin, the tallest mountain in Maine. Pamola is said to be the thunder god and protector of the mountain. The Penobscot people describe him as having the head of a moose, the body of a man and the wings and feet of an eagle. Pamola was both feared and respected by the Penobscot nation, and his presence was one of the main reasons that climbing the mountain was considered taboo.

The spirit resented mortals intruding from down below. Because of this, the mountain was closed off limits to all below. Henry David Thoreau, of his August, 1846 exploration of the Penobscot River and Katahdin wrote, "Pomola is always angry with those who climb to the summit of Ktaadn."

It was also widely believed that Pamola had taken and held prisoners on his mountain forever.

The name is now preserved on Pamola Peak, a summit on Katahdin at the eastern edge of the Knife Edge ridge. The Pamola Lodge of the Order of the Arrow is an honor camping society of the Boy Scouts of America; Pamola's image is commonly used on several of the society's insignia.

Roy Dudley, probably the most notable of the early guides on Katahdin, was known for his campfire yarns about Pamola.

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Lebanon Correctional Institution

The Lebanon Correctional Institution is a prison in the United States operated by the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction in Warren County's Turtlecreek Township, about four miles west of Lebanon and two miles east of Monroe and about 32 miles north of Cincinnati, Ohio on State Route 63. It is immediately adjacent to another state prison, the Warren Correctional Institution, and was built in the 1950s on land purchased by the state when the Shaker settlement at Union Village closed in 1912.

The prison opened in 1960 and sits on 1,900 acres (7.7 km²) of land, much of which is used as a farm, including the raising of cows. In 2007, there were 2,532 inmates (1,347 black, 1,163 white, 22 Hispanic) with a total staff of 580, of which 340 are security staff. The prison budget for fiscal year 2005 was $41,082,012, an annual cost per inmate of $19,867.31.

Prison inmates manufacture license plates, license plate stickers, printing, and metal fabrication for institutional furniture in the prison industries plant.

The Lebanon prison was featured on an episode of the National Geographic Channel series Lockdown. The episode, titled "Predators Behind Bars", broadcast on March 4, 2007.

Notable inmates

 * Billy Milligan The "Campus Rapist" whose defense centered on dissociative identity disorder.

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Troy and Boston Railroad

The Troy and Boston Railroad was chartered April 4, 1848 and organized November 22, 1849. It completed a railroad from Troy, New York to the Vermont state line (35 miles) in 1852. This was also the main track of the Troy and Rutland Railroad, Rutland and Washington Railroad, and the Rutland Railway. This formed, in connection with the Hudson River Railroad, the most direct and shortest line from New York to Montreal. It was consolidated into the Fitchburg Railroad in 1887, which was in turn acquired by Boston and Maine Railroad by lease in 1900.

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Talk:Turbo Basic

I am of the opinion that the "one screen shot per page" needs to be relaxed when discussing historical software. I don't know any other way to demonstrate historical software than by showing it in action. Scott1329m 12:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)

"Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)" is a 1969 song recorded by Sly and the Family Stone. The song, released as a double A-side single with "Everybody Is a Star", reached number one on the soul single charts for five weeks, and reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100 in February 1970. Billboard ranked the record as the No. 19 song of 1970.

Background
The title is an intentional mondegreen or sensational spelling for "thank you for letting me be myself again." The third verse contains specific references to the group's previous successful songs, "Dance to the Music", "Everyday People", "Sing a Simple Song", and "You Can Make It If You Try". The song features co-lead vocals from Sly Stone, Rose Stone, Freddie Stone, Cynthia Robinson, Jerry Martini, Greg Errico and Larry Graham. On this song, Graham was widely credited with introducing the slap technique on the electric bass, which is heard prominently throughout the track.

"Thank You" was intended to be included on an in-progress album with "Star" and "Hot Fun in the Summertime"; but the LP was never completed, and the three tracks were instead included on the band's 1970 Greatest Hits LP. "Thank You" and "Star", the final Family Stone recordings issued in the 1960s, marked the beginning of a 20-month gap of releases from the band, which would finally end with the release of "Family Affair" in 1971.

The song's length on the original hit single and the Greatest Hits LP is 4:48 and was re-channeled to simulate stereo on the popular Greatest Hits LP. The previously unreleased full-length version (6:18) was mixed by Bob Irwin in true stereo and its only issue was on a 1990 Columbia promotional CD Legacy: Music for the Next Generation. On the subsequent (and available as of 2015) The Essential Sly & The Family Stone 2-CD set, the track is in stereo but is the standard 4:48 length hit version.

Release and reception
The song was ranked number 410 on Rolling Stone magazine's "500 Greatest Songs of All Time". Janet Jackson's 1989 signature song "Rhythm Nation" is based on a guitar sample from the song.

The song was followed by a re-working on the closing track, "Thank You for Talkin' to Me, Africa", from the group's subsequent 1971 album, There's A Riot Goin' On.

In 2017, the song was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame.

Personnel

 * Sly Stone – co-lead vocals, guitar, writer, producer
 * Rose Stone – co-lead vocals
 * Jerry Martini – tenor saxophone and co-lead vocals
 * Cynthia Robinson – trumpet and co-lead vocals
 * Freddie Stone – guitar, co-lead vocals
 * Larry Graham – bass, co-lead vocals
 * Greg Errico – drums and co-lead vocals

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Olympus products

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:08, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of Olympus products
Delete. Wikipedia is not a product catalog. See Deletion_policy/Brand_name_products for a general discussion. -- Egil 17:34, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's a list not a catalog. Kappa 18:56, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The list itself has no value IMHO. Worse, the list suggests articles for every product. That would beyond any doubt constitute a product catalog. -- Egil 04:58, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the list, but no articles for the products. -- 8^D gab 19:53, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)
 * Why no articles for the products? I don't see how this is different to any of the thousands of articles on other products like PowerPC G4, Cray-2 etc etc etc. Lupin 22:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The criteria is like for the rest of the encyclopedia. There should be articles for products of a certain notability. I am totally sure that if any, there are only very, very few Olympus products that has a degree of notability that they need an article. This list suggests an article per product, which is obviously nonsense. Perhaps some products are notable enough that they require a list of their own, but in that case they should be merged in the Olympus article. -- Egil 04:55, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lupin 22:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but de-redlink. Radiant_* 08:44, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but it needs more info. -- Lochaber 13:27, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep some Olympus products (the XA, for example) do merit articles because of their notable design achievements. Others don't - but having a list seems an appropriate way to put the notable ones in context. Dystopos 23:52, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page kthxbai.