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Errol, Perth and Kinross

Errol is a village in Perth and Kinross, Scotland, about halfway between Dundee and Perth. It is one of the principal settlements of the Carse of Gowrie. It lies just north of the River Tay. The 2016 population of Errol was estimated to be 1,500 persons, compared to 1,070 in the 2001 Census.

Errol village is in the Carse and Gowrie electoral ward of the Perthshire North Scottish parliamentary constituency and in the Tayside Health Board area.

Errol is twinned with Mardié, a village on the Loire near Orléans in France.

Errol is surrounded by agricultural flat fields and has a prominent attractive location above the Firth of Tay within this setting. Errol is known for its reeds, which used to be collected up to a few years ago to make thatched roofs. These reeds grow in the banks of the River Tay and act as home to a fairly uncommon bird called the bearded tit. Errol has a large church, built in 1831, known as the "Cathedral of The Carse" which can be seen from most parts of the village and from far around.

Errol lies on the National Cycle Network NCN 77 from Dundee to Pitlochry and is situated about 1 mi from the A90 Perth to Dundee Road. This makes it popular for people who commute to work.

Prehistory
People have lived in and around Errol from prehistoric times. A ring ditch 450 m east of Mains of Errol is thought to be the remains of timber roundhouse visible as cropmarks on aerial images. At Hill of Errol aerial images suggest a settlement, with a rectangular building, souterrain and pits. At Clashbenny there is a standing stone of Neolithic or Bronze Age.

Village and parish
Errol Parish can be dated back to the creation of a barony by William the Lion granted to the Hay family in the twelfth century. A descendant, in James II's reign, was created Earl of Errol. The oldest surviving parish register of births and marriages in Scotland is for Errol parish and dates from 1553; it is a relatively complete record to 1855. Errol is mentioned as 'Arroll' in William Camden's Chorographicall Description published in 1607 and on Gerhard Mercator's Scotiae Regnum maps published in 1595.

In 1689, following the Glorious Revolution, Government troops arrived in Errol; the minister Dr John Nicolson would not recognise the new government and the religious settlement, which resulted in him being deprived of his parish in 1691 despite faithfully discharging his duties.

William Herdman, assistant to the parish minister, wrote an extensive entry in the Statistical Account dated 1791 which details agricultural changes which took place in the mid-eighteenth century, including the wide variety of crops grown and rentals paid. The land was productive and grain grown was sent to Perth, Dundee, and 'large quantities' exported from Port Allen by sea to Leith and to Glasgow via 'the canal'. The population recorded by Webster in 1755 was 2,229 and Herdman tells us in 1791 it was 2,685; 'of these 1,857 live in the country, and 828 in the village'. He lists the main occupations in 1791 as 211 weavers, 50 wrights, 25 tailors, 21 shoemakers and 14 blacksmiths, but also tells us there were four bakers, three butchers, two surgeons, and a writer (lawyer). To keep them all watered and fed there were seven innkeepers. The parish also had a school and schoolmaster.

In January 1814, during a severe cold spell the River Tay froze and people were able to walk from Port Allen at Errol across to Newburgh in Fife.

The entry for Errol Parish in the New Statistical Account was written by the minister the Rev. James Grierson and dated December 1837. His extensive chapter demonstrates his interest in the local geology and natural history, but also notes the construction of the great turnpike road through the Carse between Perth and Dundee in about 1800 (now the A90), which was connected by branch roads to Errol's local harbours on the Tay at Port Allen and Powgavie. Grierson estimated the population in Errol parish in 1837 to be 2,942, 1,220 of whom lived in the village itself. Of 680 families in Errol, 224 (33%) were employed in agriculture and 374 (55%) in trade, manufacturing or craft industries. The village had a library, a friendly society and a savings bank. A hiring or feeing market was held in July when agricultural workers could seek a new place and set a fee with their employer. The village had three inns and eight ale houses.

The population of the parish of Errol in 1801 was 2,653 and 2,012 in 1951; it peaked between these dates at 2,992 in 1831 and declined to 1,891 in 1931. The total number of households in 1951 was 591.

Groome's Ordnance Gazetteer of Scotland (1882-4) described Errol as inhabited 'mainly by weavers and operatives'; it had a post office, a branch of the Union Bank, two inns, a gasworks, two schools, a reading-room and a library. Fairs were held on the last Wednesday of July and the Saturday after the first Friday of October.

In 1887 Bartholomew's Gazetteer of the British Isles described Errol, a parish with a population of 2,421 people, as 'the centre of business for a considerable part of the Carse of Gowrie' due to its chemical works and an engineering and machine-making works. The water supply for Errol was poor until 1897 when a supply was obtained from moorland above Fingask at a cost of £9,000 paid by Sir William Ogilvy Dalgleish of Errol Park. To mark this achievement, a Red Dumfries sandstone market cross with granite basins and a carved lion's head fountain topped with a Unicorn was erected, with commemorative panels, in 1900.

A local landowner and farmer was the biological scientist Patrick Matthew (1790-1874) who planted a large orchard at Gourdiehill, Grange, Errol. A former student of Edinburgh University, he made scientific observations of his orchards and wrote On Naval Timber and Arboriculture in 1831 which included early descriptions of a process of natural selection. He is credited with being the first person to bring Giant Redwood seeds to the UK. The Patrick Matthew Trail was created in his memory.

Errol Park
The lands of Errol passed from the Hays to Sir Patrick Ogilvie in 1648 when the estate was said to have been lost in a gambling debt. Sir Thomas Blair of Balthaycock owned it in 1652 and by 1741 George Middleton, a London banker, lived there. He is thought to have built a residence in 1745, which can be seen with parklands on the Roy map of 1747–1755, but this was destroyed by fire in 1874. In 1795 John Lee Allen inherited Errol Park; his eldest son, also John Allen, married Lady Henrietta Duncan, daughter of the Earl of Camperdown. The Allens commissioned the notable A-listed Classical circular stables by John Paterson in 1811; which was extended by adding a tower in 1899 designed by Johnston and Baxter. The Allen family sold Errol Park in 1873 to Francis Molison who asked architect Alexander Johnston of Dundee to design a new house. Elizabeth Frances Molison inherited Errol Park in 1877; she was married to William Ogilvy Dalgleish. Elizabeth was the granddaughter of William Baxter, jute and flax manufacturer, and became a philanthropist funding initiatives concerning young women, education and the visually impaired.

Brigadier-General J D Heriot Maitland, who was known as Hamish and served in the Rifle Brigade in the First World War, inherited Errol Park unexpectedly from his third cousin William Dalgleish. The current custodian is Jamie Heriot Maitland, Hamish's great-grandson.

Churches
The old churchyard, in School Wynd, was the original site of the parish church in the 1600s; a 17th-century tomb chest of Alexander Omay in the graveyard is dated 1639. Herdman refers to a parish church built in 1765.

Errol North Church was built in 1832, to replace the earlier church, for a congregation of 1434 people. The church was designed by James Gillespie Graham, and built by George Page in Knockhill stone, as a cruciform structure in the later English style, with a lofty square tower crowned by pinnacles; it is category A listed. The parish churchyard has a number of pre-1800 gravestones with carved emblems.

In the 1840s there were also places of worship for the United Secession Church, the Free Church of Scotland, and the Relief Church.

Seceders in the parish Errol who adhered to the General Associate Anti-burgher Synod formed a Secession Presbyterian congregation in January 1759 and met at Westown; their first church was built in 1758 and the second in 1809. In 1796-7 a number of the parish church members left and formed a Relief Church congregation.

The Free Church was built in 1843 by Carles Spence of Rait in a simplified Tudor Gothic style. The foundation stone was laid on 15 August 1843 by Charles Playfair of East Inchmichael farm and it was opened in December. The parish minister left at the Disruption of 1843 along with many of his congregation and used the Relief Church for a few months until their church was ready. Once no longer used for worship, the building was converted to become a small manufacturing workshop.

Schools
Parish schools run by the Church of Scotland and paid for by local landowners were set up by an Act of Parliament in 1696 and open to all boys and girls. It is therefore likely Errol had its first school in the 1700s. Herdman noted the parish of Errol had a school and schoolmaster in 1791. This parish school was located off School Wynd.

The Rev, Grierson described the parish of Errol as having five schools in 1837. The main parish school had a master and an assistant, whose salaries were paid for by the heritors, and the subjects they taught included English, mathematics, geography and, if required, languages (Latin, Greek and French). Three of the other schools were either partly-endowed or supported by a body of subscribers, and more reliant on the fees paid by the pupils. The fifth school was a small school-house where an 'elderly widow' taught young children to read and girls knitting (a dame school). There were also Sabbath schools associated with the different churches.

The Industrial School was founded to educate young women in domestic skills; among major benefactors were Mr & Mrs Drummond of Megginch. The school in North Bank Dykes was built in 1855 to a design by Hay of Liverpool and is B listed. It opened in 1856 and the first teacher was Miss Euphemia Pugh. A commemorative panel on the former school house reads 'This Building for a Female Industrial School was erected through the Exertions of the Rev. John Caird minister of the Parish of Errol aided by many friends.' John Caird was minister or Errol from 1849 to 1857 and went on to become a noted theologian, professor at and then principal of the University of Glasgow. Errol Female Industrial School records exist from 1857 to 1914. Lady Elizabeth Ogilvy Dalgleish was secretary to the ladies’ committee for thirty years. It ceased to be an industrial school in 1914 and was taken over by the Education Authority in 1918. The building was used by the local education authority as an infant school to the mid-1970s. It is now a community centre.

The Education (Scotland) Act 1872 placed local control and funding of schools in the hands of school boards. The local authority School Board building in Station Road is estimated to have been built around 1925, although the O.S. map from 1898 shows a school on this site. The main building was added to in the post-1944 Act period by a number of HORSA huts to meet accommodation needs following raising of the compulsory education age to 15 years. In the 1960s these huts accommodated the kitchen and dining facilities as well as classrooms. In the mid-1970s the secondary education department closed and secondary pupils travelled to Perth.

Port Allen
Port Allen has been known by different names including Miln of Errol, Errol Pow and Harbour of Errol. It was granted a charter in 1662 and had its own meal mill, replaced with a horsemill by the 1870s. It is estimated around 200 people lived there in 1700s. The piers at Port Allen were associated with a toll house and an Inn (now a farmhouse). Herdman noted in 1791 that large quantities of grain were shipped from this port. 'Pow of Erroll' and the mill can clearly be seen on the Roy Military Survey map of 1747-1755 [ grid ref NO 258 209]. The O.S. six-inch first edition map of 1861 shows a pier and pier crane associated with the port, and water-driven corn and barley mill with a dam and lead.

Errol aerodrome
The pioneer Scottish aviator Preston Watson is associated with the early days of the airfield in the 1900s, which is located on flat land between Errol village and the hamlet of the Grange. After the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939, the Ministry of Defence requisitioned the land from local farmers and the aerodrome opened as an RAF station for training pilots on 1 August 1942. Errol aerodrome was in military use until the summer of 1948; material was brought in by transport planes with loading and unloading carried out by German prisoners of war held in camps nearby. From the late 1940s Errol was proposed as an airport but met with objections and the airfield was sold in 1961. In 1988 the RAF Errol Airfield was purchased by Morris Leslie to start auctioning plant and is now a mixed use business park and the Morris Leslie Group's headquarters. The main runway continues to be used for aviation.

Inchcoonans tile and brick works
It is thought a clay works of some kind has operated at Errol for centuries; using local alluvial clay to make bricks was introduced by the Romans and revived in the sixteenth century. The site features two Beehive kilns, which are the only remaining examples of their kind in Scotland, and are category B listed. Inchcoonans Tile Works opened in 1855 producing mainly bricks for building and field drainage tiles. From the 1870s it was operated by the Pitfour Patent Brick and Tile Co., and from 1910 by A. Fraser Ltd.of Anniston Brickworks, Angus, until 1990. It was reopened in 1994 by Errol Brick, but was mothballed in March 2008.

Errol railway station
The Dundee and Perth and Aberdeen Railway Junction Company opened Errol railway station in 1847, which by 1863 had become the Scottish Central Railway and subsequently in 1865 part of the Caledonian Railway. The line took a direct route and thus the station is north of the village at a separate hamlet. The first station master was Thomas Jagger and the last left Errol in 1976; the station finally closed on 28 September 1985. The station is B-listed and was sold to Errol Station Trust and opened as The Railway Heritage Centre in May 1990, winning the Railway Preservation Societies/Ian Allan Premier Award for Best Preserved Station in Britain that same year. By 2000 the museum had closed, and the buildings were later converted for residential use.

Present-day Errol
Errol is still known for its local factory; the brick factory premises have been taken over and modernised by the Mackie's company as a potato crisp manufacturing plant, which used to incorporate a "factory shop", but this has since closed. It also has a scenic farm track to walk or bike down, right beside the beautiful River Tay. While walking down the track you will find a rope swing which almost swings over the river. It is perfect for walking dogs.

Errol Park house and gardens is currently used as a wedding venue and filming location. Errol Estate is an agricultural enterprise around the village of Errol extending to around 3,500 acres of productive farmland and woodland adjacent to the River Tay estuary. It is operated by Errol Enterprises Ltd (EEL).

The main runway of Errol Aerodrome is used for commercial and recreational aviation and the surroundings for drone flying. The old airfield also hosts the Errol car boot sale and market, run by the Morris Leslie group, which claims to be 'Scotland's premier Sunday market'. The Morris Leslie group also hold auctions at the former airfield.

Errol School is a primary school with eight primary classes and a large nursery class; it was last extended in April 2017 to cope with increased numbers of pupils.

Errol has two general grocery shops; other local amenities include a chip shop, a pub, a community centre, a pharmacy and a hairdresser. The post office closed in 2023, after the owners retired.

The local winery Cairn O'Mohr has won many awards for its wines made from local produce such as oak sap, rhubarb and brambles and is situated on the same farmyard at East Inchmichael Farm as Gillies & Mackay Ltd, a local shed company.

The paths in the path network around Errol are many and varied, with the most popular for leisure use probably being the Gas Brae path down to the river and the reed beds. Some of these paths belong to the Perth & Kinross Council Core Path Network. Maintenance is carried out by a combination of individual volunteers, the local land-owners such as Errol Park, and an organisation called Carse of Gowrie Group (CoGG). Expansion of the path network (as of 2020) remains an aspiration by the community.

On 27 April 2020, during a prolonged dry spell of weather, the River Tay reed beds at Errol caught fire and almost 2 mi of reeds were lost destroying the nests of rare bearded tits and marsh harriers. A local pilot dropped 77,000 litres of water from the river on the heart of the fire in an operation involving nine appliances directed by the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service.

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October Rust is the fourth studio album by Type O Negative. It was released in 1996. This is the first album with Johnny Kelly credited as the band's drummer, although programmed drums are used on the album. October Rust has more ballads and less of the doom metal sound of previous or subsequent albums. It also features a cover of Neil Young's "Cinnamon Girl".

It is the first of the band's albums with a "joke intro"; in this case, "Bad Ground", which is 38 seconds of low-level buzzing, meant to sound as if one or more audio leads is incorrectly plugged into the input jacks of an amplifier. Tracks 2 and 15 are humorous untitled spoken word intros and outros to the album, respectively, with the band downplaying the recording of the album. Another production technique employed on the album is the use of very abrupt endings and segues to a few of the songs, heard on the tracks "Green Man", "Red Water", and "Haunted".

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Simplify English
I thought I'd hear your opinions first, but the word "acquiesced" is rarely understood. I recommend using "accepted reluctantly". All4peace (talk) 17:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

 * I think 'acquiesce' best conveys the appropriate nuance and would argue that it is a fairly common word. Compared to other words used in the article, Wiktionary's Frequency List for Project Gutenberg has it in the neighborhood of 'mandate', and with much higher usage than 'debacle' or 'tenuous'.  I support using the simpler of two equal choices, but don't think that is the case here.--Trystan (talk) 17:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Untitled
See Talk: Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act regarding the concepts of "a unitary crown" and "a multiple crowns". G Colyer 13:17, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John Kerr
"Most authorities believe Kerr's action was illegal..." Does anyone have a source for this "fact"? Sounds like POV to me. I'm removing it until one can be provided. --gbambino 15:38, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

King barking up the wrong tree?
Reading this, it seems that the affair had very little to do with Canada's position in the Empire and the situation could have just as easily occurred had Canada had a monarch or President of their own. In seeking a redefinition, was King just taking advantage of the affair to push through other changes that wouldn't have made a difference? Timrollpickering 18:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Article needs elaboration
There's no mentioning of Prime Minister King resigning in portest of Byng's refusal to call an election (in 1926). Byng appointing Opposition Leader Arthur Meighen Prime Minister. The Meighen government being defeated by a non-cofidence vote and thus forcing the 1926 election (which King had called for earlier, but Byng refused). This article is lacking in details, If anyone could provide sources, please try an expand this article. GoodDay (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC) :Also, it should be added the reason the GG refused PM King's request fo an election. Due to a scandal, King's (in 1926) coalition goverment (Liberals-Progrressives) lost its Proggressives supporters & the Conservatives had the most seats in the House. GoodDay (talk) 22:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Ah ha, I see now. An anon had vandalised this article weeks ago, by deleting alot of material. Thanks for restoring the article folks. GoodDay (talk) 20:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

New Ministers needed re-election??
At the moment, the article says,

 * "Byng then invited Conservative leader Arthur Meighen, who had been Prime Minister from 1920 to 1921, to form a government. Meighen did so, but made his ministers only "acting" ones; they were not sworn into office because the government still had to win a confidence vote in the House of Commons and under the laws of the time new ministers would have to seek re-election."

Is this true? What "laws of the time" are we talking about? AFAIK you never needed to be reelected (or newly elected) in order to be sworn as a Minister of the Crown. 99.254.23.75 (talk) 21:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

 * This law was abolished in 1938. It originated in Great Britain in the early 1700s and was duplicated in Canada. (In the UK it was modified in 1919 so it didn't apply for the first 9 months after a general election, then abolished in 1926.)

 * The law was that an MP who accepted an "office of profit" (usually a ministerial office although there were other posts within its scope) from the Crown had to get a fresh mandate to sit in the Commons. Originally this was an attempt to limit the influence of the Crown in the Commons but it lasted long after the Crown ceased to be a concern. The result in countries operating this system was that every MP entering at least the higher levels of government had to refight their constituency, although a lot were returned unopposed (but this still took a bit of time to process). The British Commons still has a vestige of this in that an MP can't resign but has to be appointed to a national office of profit to invalidate their current right to sit - see Resignation from the British House of Commons for details.

 * IIRC Meighen himself was formally appointed as Prime Minister and so automatically vacated his own seat for the by-election, thus depriving the Conservatives of one vote in the Commons until he was returned. Because the numbers in the Commons were so tight he deliberately tried to defer the temporary loss of other Conservative votes until the confidence motion was out of the way by the mechanism of making his Cabinet "acting ministers". Timrollpickering (talk) 23:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The snoozing Progressive
There's also anecdotal reports that one member of the Progressive Party was paired with an absent member of the government, and so was not supposed to vote. He dozed off, and when his name was called, he awoke abruptly and voted, bringing down the government.

By the way, another name for Progressive Parties of the time was United Farmers. The UF premier of Manitoba, John Bracken, was elected federal Conservative leader in December 1942, and at his request, the word Progressive was added to the party's name, which it carried for the next 63 years. GBC (talk) 03:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Vague
This article is very vague. There's no reference to specific dates in it. King-Byng wasn't some event several hundred years ago when documentation was spotty, it was only 80 years ago. This article should have specific dates referenced for each part of this historical event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.85.89 (talk) 22:24, 3 December 2008
 * sofixit. Double Blue  (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Furious

 * Byng then invited Conservative leader Arthur Meighen, who had been Prime Minister from 1920 to 1921, to form a government. Meighen did so, but made his ministers only "acting" ones; they were not sworn into office because the government still had to win a confidence vote in the House of Commons and under the laws of the time new ministers would have to seek re-election. The Liberals were furious and were able to get the Progressives to join them in a drive to bring down the government.

It's not entirely clear to me what the Liberals and Progressives were furious about. Was it because Meighen did not apparently try to win a confidence vote? Or that the ministers didn't seek re-election? Nil Einne (talk) 09:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd guess it was because he was trying to bypass one of the laws of the time for political convenience. (Also it's possible some of the seats may have been Liberal targets in the by-elections but I couldn't say for sure.) In politics, people often get furious whenever one's political opponents start treating laws and constitutional conventions as optional extras (regardless of their own track record on this). Timrollpickering (talk) 11:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * King really went off on the deep end of this and tried to suggest Byng had staged some sort of coup d'etat. Yes, this was a ludicrous claim to make, but King was even by the (low) standards of politics an unusually petty, pompous man who was deeply into the occult and viewed his life as part of some cosmic battle between the forces of Good vs. Evil. For someone like that, King really took Byng's refusal of his request to dissolve Parliament personally. This article should really mention the great feud between King and Meighen, who really, really hated each other. For someone like King who consulted his crystal ball and Ouija board (seriously, I am not making this up) for advice about how best to defeat the cosmic forces of darkness he saw himself battling, to have General Byng refuse his advice and see his archenemy Meighen sworn in as Prime Minister, this could only be the result of something underhanded. As already been explained mentioned here, at the time, ministers had to run for election whenever they were sworn in, and since Meighen had a minority government, his Cabinet were all "acting" ministers, which King used to suggest that there was something improper going on here and this was a coup committed by the Governor-General. Byng did nothing illegal or unconstitutional and contrary to what King was trying to claim, the Governor-General is not obliged to follow the Prime Minister's advice to dissolve Parliament. The only reason why this becomes an "affair" was that King was a sore loser and turned it into a crisis. --A.S. Brown (talk) 10:25, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

King's Resignation
Did King resign because he believed he lost confidence of the house, or did he resign because the GG refused his request? I believe the latter, hence the tag. Knoper (talk) 00:13, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

George V of the United Kingdom
Because the King-Byng Affair took place before the 1931 Statues of Westminister? I've presented George V as King George V of the United Kingdom. GoodDay (talk) 04:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And it read as though he was a foreigner, when, as Canada was a British Dominion, he obviously was not. The territorial label is irrelevant to the sentence. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  05:14, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It didn't read as though he was a foreigner. Being as we're never going to agree. It's best we get input from others. GoodDay (talk) 05:17, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It did. Though Canada was a British Dominion then, Canada still wasn't the United Kingdom; so, "George V of the United Kingdom" reads as though he were of the UK, but not of Canada. Unless, that is, you go into further detail to explain how Canada was a Dominion of the British Empire under the sovereignty of the UK but still self-governing, blah, blah. Which would be ridiculous, given "of the United Kingdom" alone is already excessive in a simple set-up for the main subject of the sentence: Byng's words.
 * Even the "Dominion's monarch" part is superfluous. One wouldn't write "Prime Minister Erna Solberg met with Harald V of Norway". For someone who didn't know what country Solberg is prime minister of, such would read as though it were describing a meeting of two foreign leaders, Solberg being prime minister of some country other than Norway and it being bad writing to not say which. For those who know what country Solberg is prime minister of, the "of Norway" part would just seem pointless; bad writing again. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  05:39, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We'll have to let others weigh in. You & I, aren't going to agree on this. GoodDay (talk) 05:47, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Whatever. You're only providing more proof of there being just two reasons behind your push of the words "United Kingdom" into more than a dozen articles over the last three weeks. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  05:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm not clear why we would emphasize his role as King of the United Kingdom when it is his role as King of the Dominion of Canada that is relevant. GoodDay, can you explain your reasoning further?
 * I agree that saying "the Dominion's monarch" is probably unnecessary, though sometimes redundancy is good. It can be better to err on the side of clarity.--Trystan (talk) 17:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, we don't want to be unclear. But, there's also such a thing as going too far; lose sight of a tree by growing a forest around it. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  18:45, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

 * My reason for describing George V as King of the United Kingdom, is because Lord Byng refused to contact the British Gov't & thus its monarch. He felt the situation was a Canadian matter, not a British matter. This appeared to be the spark, that led to the 1931 Westminister Statues. A result that no longer considered it to be the British monarch reigning over Canada, but rather the Canadian monarch' reinging over Canada. By describing George V as British monarch, we add gravatas to the pre-1931 situation. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * According to Levine, "Lord Byng reported the situation to King George v and Leo Amery." see Rjensen (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, he did contact George V - my mistake. IMHO, because this constitutional event occured before the Statues of Westminister. The monarch should be described as the British monarch, instead of creating an impression of Canadian monarch by excluding any country. GoodDay (talk) 02:00, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think "the Dominion's monarch, King George V, whom he represented in Canada as governor general" does a very thorough job of conveying the relevant facts to the reader. George V was King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas; referring to him only as King of the United Kingdom would be unhelpful in this context.--Trystan (talk) 03:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well then, let's go with "King George V of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions". GoodDay (talk) 03:28, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am really late to this, but honestly, that is really pedantic for no good reason. Like it or not George V was also Canada's monarch, so trying to pass him off as a foreign head of state is POV pushing. Resolute 15:43, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just pointing out that it's because he was a British monarch, there was reluctance to have him involved with the situation. GoodDay (talk) 17:45, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that is properly explained in context. Pretending that George V was not also Canada's monarch does not improve the article. Resolute 20:52, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

As it's pre-1931, he was the British monarch reigning over Canada. But, I'll let things go as they are, as I'm the only one arguing for the usage. GoodDay (talk) 23:19, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

The King-Byng Thing
I can't find any reliable references to this alternate name that loads. Microsoft Bing (ha!) comes up with https://nationalpost.com/opinion/allan-levine-that-king-byng-thing but it won't load, and everything else is Reddit, other wikis or personal webpages. Additionally, it sounds like a jokey reference to a catchphrase from Bing (TV series) so I suspected vandalism and have boldly removed it. AlmostReadytoFly (talk) 15:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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Vandalism
Per your question on Vandalism in progress - yep, your handling of the Transhumanism vandal was perfect. I'm always impressed by how quickly trash like this (and subtler stuff too) gets spotted and removed. Keep up the good work. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:34, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * :-) Omegatron

Check out Matth97 He is a big boy - CPES 19:41, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gyrator
Hi Omegatron - nice work on the gyrator. Would you mind telling me what software you used in drawing the circuit diagram...? Suggestion: Let's rename R1 > R0, because that's basically given, and R2 > R, leaving essentially C and R to play with. --Palapala 09:24, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I used Klunky schematic editor. It is online at

 * http://www.qsl.net/wd9eyb/klunky/framed.html

 * Then I took the screenshot and edited it a bit to make it prettier. I also drew a bunch of pictures for opamp configurations, so I can make an article on that, but I left them on my work computer. What do you mean that R0 is given? - Omegatron

 * Oh you mean that the inductor you would want to simulate would already have the R1 defined? How about we name it R1 --> RL, like a real inductor would have it labeled, and then the other R2 --> R.  By the way, one of those links has the opamp inputs inverted.  Do you know if it makes a difference?  It seems like it would... - Omegatron

 * Thanks for the Klunky link. Noticed you changed the text according to the diagram. -- Yes, the Romanian page has the inputs of the opamp the other way around; I'm not an expert, this link shows it the way you did it, I'm a bit on a loss here. --Palapala 20:59, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I will do the calculations sometime tomorrow and double check. And maybe send that site an email if I can. - Omegatron

Thermionic emission
In thermionic emission you added that it was initially discovered by Professor Guthrie in 1873. I did a little searching and the only person I could find was physicist Frederick Guthrie in London who lived from 1833-1886, and did research on heat, magnetism and electricity. I assumed he was the right guy. Then I found Scottish physicist Peter Guthrie Tait (1831-1901) and found he did work on thermoelectricity. Which is right? I assume it is Peter, but I already assumed too much, so I will ask the source and leave it undefined for now... - Omegatron

 * I wish I knew which Guthrie it was, the source I used did not specify the full name (unfortunately) but I assumed it to be a last name. -- RTC 06:42, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks. I will keep searching... - Omegatron

Omegatron: I wasn't able to get over to the physics library before it closed that day; I'll try again soon if I get the chance.

The Dot project is intended to create maps for the Ram-bot generated articles. See Siler City, North Carolina for an example. The maps on my user page are just intended to track the progress of the project. - Seth Ilys 17:13, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Forced PNG
thanks for figuring out how to force png rendering without altering appearence! Perl 23:04, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. That seems to be fairly general... --Palapala 17:19, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)

Electronics Wikibook
Hi, since you're a DSP engineer, perhaps you would be interested in helping out with the Electronics wiki-textbook. http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Electronics

 * Yes, I would love to. - Omegatron 20:48, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

Howdy Omegatron. Thanks for helping with Electronics. You mention on page WikiBooks:Electronics:Transistors that CMOS and TTL "are not transistors". Very true, but do you think it would be better to mention them on the "transistors" page (as examples of what one *does* with transistors), or should we move all mention of them to some other page ? -- DavidCary 20:11, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Reason for HTML's irrelevancy
The numeric HTML entities for colon and semicolon are highly irrelevant, because they are never, ever used. In fact, the only time I have ever seen a numeric entity used for either of these is in the Template:Punctuation marks box, and that's only because Wikipedia attaches a special meaning to a colon, not because the HTML needed it for any reason. You can represent the character A in HTML by typing &#65;, but no one ever does, because it's never necessary or useful. The same goes for the numeric entities for the colon and the semicolon. —Bkell 21:35, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Right... But I needed to know it in order to put it in the punctuation box, and the information wasn't on WP.  :-)  I figured that was reason enough to include it.  Maybe it should just mention that HTML entities are the same number as ASCII for letters and punctuation? - Omegatron 21:38, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, Character encodings in HTML already says, "Decimal and hexadecimal HTML character references can also be used, based on the Unicode numeric code for the character encoded." That should be enough information for anyone who needs to encode a colon as &#58;. I imagine they would visit HTML instead of Colon (punctuation), as HTML is more specific to the problem they are having. (To be honest, I would go straight to the HTML spec myself.) There is no reason to include a numeric HTML entity on every page about a punctuation mark or letter or number or other character, especially if it's one that is normally just typed. —Bkell 21:47, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Diagrams
Mostly I use Adobe Illustrator, sometimes augemented with MathCad for graphs, etc. As you can probably guess I enjoy doing them, so if you need any diagrams let me know. I'll see what I can do with a plot of the filter curves for dichroic prism -- DrBob 20:15, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Transistor
Looks like transistor has a big chunk of repeated text. Are you working on fixing it up? I don't want to wade in while you're at work :) Gwimpey 00:49, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

String instrument
"Physics of music is related, right?)" Yes, I certainly agree.    Opus33 15:39, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Check out...
...what I wrote at the very bottom of Wikipedia talk:Template messages. I've told this to several other Wikipedians bu no one has responded yet. 66.245.23.108 00:43, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

TeX Problems
Omegatron,

On Meta:Help talk: Formula, you were asking about where to report some TeX bugs on Wikipedia. There's a new Wikipedia Bugzilla set up at bugzilla.wikipedia.org; if you're still having problems, you can report them there. I'd be happy to help write a bug report if you'd like; you mentioned problems with other things missing, so I'm not sure what the extent of the problem was. -- Creidieki 22:18, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh good. I will try to report it. - Omegatron 02:13, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

regards from Lobster
Nice page - but was dissapointed that the plug-ins do not work with version 1 of firefox - here is hoping they will soon - Lobster

 * I'm not sure why they created it; there are tons of other helpful pages out there. But I will help contribute. Yes, I installed Firefox 1.0PR just a few minutes ago and I am very disappointed that some of my favorite extensions do not work yet. I should have waited. :-) - Omegatron 21:25, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * sorry not quite sure what I am doing but hopte this comment gets to you :-)
 * I think the XUL (type of XML) will be updated soon and then the plug ins will work - but at the mo it is not working - here is hoping

 * Foxy Lobster
 * Foxy Lobster

good photo
Congratulations, people think your photos are good enough to copy: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrolytische_condensator

--DavidCary 08:37, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Too bad I broke that camera... - Omegatron 03:07, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Answer to your question at Talk:Orthogonality

 * can you have infinite-dimensional vectors?

Except that it's the space that is infinite-dimensional, rather than the vectors themselves. The two most well-known infinite-dimensional vector spaces are $$\ell^2$$, which is the set of all sequences of scalars such that the sum of the squares of their norms is finite (for example (1, 1/2, 1/3, ...) is such a vector because 12 + (1/2)2 + (1/3)2 + ... is finite) and L2, the set of all functions f such that

 * $$\int_\mathrm{whatever\ space}\left|f\right|^2 < \infty.$$

("Whatever space" could be for example the interval from 0 to 2π, or could be the whole real line, or could be something else.) Michael Hardy 19:31, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Note of appreciation
Thanks for exploring the "dynamic range" issue a bit on the talk page. I checked your user page, and as a newcomer to Wikipedia want to let you know how much I appreciate your technical contributions here. You've certainly added to the place!--NathanHawking 20:10, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)

Wikipediholic test
I do mark the errors in books I read, and have been known to send them back to the publishers in really bad cases... -- Graham ☺ | Talk 22:04, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

JFET picture
re: User_talk:Rparle

Thanks, I was just finding my way around Photoshop when I did that one. As for making more, do you mean for the other types of transistor? I suppose I could, though I'm still not as quick as I might like to be and I'm back in college now so my free time is more limited. I do recall doing another one of a MOSFET for a college project; I'll see if I can dig it out. —Rory ☺ 18:26, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for help on Shannon theorem
Hi Omegatron, thanks for your quick reply on my question on the Nyquist-Shannon_sampling_theorem. It helped a lot! There only is one thing i haven't understood clearly: let's imagine a soundcard that samples audio input at 44 KHz (you see, the same with your explanation). What the soundcard does, is it takes a record of the voltage every .000025 seconds.

If you drew all those recorded values on a time-voltage diagram (time being the variable), you'd get a diagram full of dots. To reconstruct the original signal, you could draw lines between each dot and its next neighbor.

That would be quite a close approximation, but you couldn't find out what happened between those .000025-second-snapshots. Maybe there was a high voltage burst (being a Dirac distribution for example) somewhere between the intervall 1.000025 s and 1.000030 s.

Maybe you understand the problem I see - but maybe I just made a mistake at some point in my thought.

Thank you for your help, --Abdull 18:56, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Copyright data request
Dear Omegatron, I have translated your article Thevenin's_theorem for the it.wikipedia.org but I can’t download the image Thevenins_theorem.png because there isn’t any information about copyright. Please can you upgrade the image with the copyright data? Thanking you in advance. I follow your works on en.wikipedia and I find they’re very interesting (I think that I will translate many others). With best regards, Piero (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Piero)

 * I'm sorry. I didn't draw that diagram.  The original is at en:Image:Thevenins_theorem.jpg and was drawn by User talk:Sim.  I started drawing a newer version and will finish it if you'd like... - en:User:Omegatron

Thank (You are very kind) :-) it:Utente:Piero

Redirect you created at "Return to zero, inverted"
Noel (talk) 03:18, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

NRZI/NRZ/etc images
Hi. I can't help but notice that these images you've created appear to be a derivative work from my original Image:Manchester.png image. Would it be possible for you to highlight this somehow? However, there may be an added problem as to your wish to license the derivatives as PD, which I'm not sure is possible. Thanks Dysprosia 05:50, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

 * I've added the FAQ question you requested.   – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)   19:19, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Jimbo and the WikiMeetup
Hey, I did talk to Jimbo this weekend about the multi-licensing drive. I have not wanted to post a more general notice on my user page partially because I am not his personal spokesperson. But I have no trouble informally mentioning to people what he said. He actually had just found out about the project from those around him before coming to the WikiMeetup and they had discussed it somewhat. He was a bit concerned because I had mentioned "incompatible fork", but that was only because I wanted to be totally honest about the risks of multi-licensing. As soon as I explained that the risk of a fork was quite low and that I was not working towards changing Wikipedia's license, he was fine with it. He is personally working with members of the FSF to improve the GFDL for a better version GFDL 2.0 that is more free and is simplified to work with projects such as Wikipedia. But multi-licensing allows us to use Wikipedia articles with other projects such as WikiTravel, and he is fine with what I am doing. It gave me a bit of a sigh of relief that I wasn't going to invoke the wrath of the WikiMedia Foundation, but instead has a measure of support. – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)  13:09, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Greetings
Hello!

Wha Happen?

Supercool Dude

I noticed you're using my template. I just made a new one that you might like better,. --Theodore Kloba 19:55, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

Untagged images
Hey, I noticed some of your PD circuit images don't have the tag. Can you tag them as such, helping the guys on the untagged images project? — Kieff | Talk 04:59, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

Anthony Flew
You put up the pages needing attention notice. Do you think it's better now? - Omegatron 01:11, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that looks wonderful. Thanks! --fvw *  13:41, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)

bytes and octets
Re: Megabyte, etc.

8 bits does not necessarily = 1 byte. See octet and byte for more info. - Omegatron 21:52, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)

''1 Kilobyte, Megabyte, etc. do always mean 8 Kilobits, 8 Megabits, respectively. Always have, always will.''

''The claim of a distinction between "byte" and "octet" refers to various architectures such as the PDP-10 that supported instructions (e.g. 'LDB') on variable numbers of bits. However, since the relevant number of bits was dependent on the pointer being dereferenced (see ), it is not and never has been coherent to use this meaning of "byte" as a unit of information (except perhaps when referring to an specific implementation of a programming language such as C on such an architecture, where the number of bits was fixed for every pointer). The 36-bit units used on PDPs were called words, not bytes. The byte page also refers quite spuriously to such things as NCR-315 "slabs", which were given a different name precisely because they are not bytes.''

''The only case in modern usage where the term "byte" is consistently redefined to mean something other than an octet is in Standard C. Other uses with != 8 bits are at best obsolescent, but usually incorrect. -- DavidHopwood 00:47, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)''

nbsp in numbers
In an edit to Binary prefixes you asked what's with the nsbp's. I didn't put them there, but it's pretty obvious why they are there; those numbers are written using spaces rather than commas for the thousands separators (on both sides of the decimal point). And some of them are very long numbers, with lots of digits. If you set your browser to view a large text size, you might figure it out--watch for any line breaks and see where they occur. Gene Nygaard 03:15, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, Omegatron
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 19:20, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I just did my first rollback! So fast and easy, everyone should have it.  There are all these other buttons though with scary names like "delete".  I'll stay away from those for now. - Omegatron 23:03, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

Hello
I have translated some or your pages (and add few) to french wikipedia, I add link too. User Oliviosu in french wiki.

Image recreation requests
Greetings. I just started the Image recreation requests project, and I thought you might be interested. Your help would be greatly appreciated. (I got your name from the list at Wikipedians/Graphic Artists.) Best regards, – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 03:12, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

Spelling
I don't think there's really anything in Wikipedia policy to give you license/licence to shoehorn the language into one or the other of those two specific categories. For example, it would seem me to be quite acceptable to use Canadian English—especially if the content is related to Canada. In fact, the Manual of style specifically refers to things like this in its first two entries, perhaps elsewhere too, I just didn't bother analyzing it in detail, when it says: Gene Nygaard 22:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * "Each article should have uniform spelling and not a haphazard mix of different spellings, which can be jarring to the reader. For example, do not use center (U.S.) in one place and centre (Australian, Canadian, British, New Zealandic) in another on the same page."
 * "Proper names should retain their original spellings. For example, United States Department of Defense and Australian Defence Force."

 * So write a spell checker that automatically figures out which dialect it is and makes the entire article consistent. Or fix them all by hand.  Does it really matter?  I won't use it on an article explicitly about Canada or Australia or New Zealand.
 * Aye... I thought I was going to avoid this discussion by adding that paragraph... :-) - Omegatron 02:42, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Multi-Stubbing== ==

I've sorted a fair amount of the As, Bs, and now Cs, and I've discovered that there are a fairly large number of articles that don't fit neatly into one category or another. For example, the Apaches are a literary-artistic movement in France around 1900. What's the best way to draw someone's attention to that article for lengthening? Should it go in the artist category, or the France category, or the literature category? By multi-stubbing it, I potentially draw attention to it on the part of the Wikipedian contributors who might know about it.

Exactly Andrew Watt 21:23, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Tables Namespace
I really like your idea for a table namespace and intuitive editor. It seems that this issue hasn't come to light though in the larger community (or at least I only randomly found it). I'd be interested in helping your support this if you wanted to raise awareness in the community at large. If you have a moment, leave me a message with what's been happening with that proposal (if it isn't obvious from the link in your user page) and if you're still interested in pursuing it further. In any case, I was very excited to see your proposal and would be very interested in helping you champion it. -SocratesJedi | Talk 08:09, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I can't seem to get people to notice it. Nothing's been happening with the proposal.  I will do all I can to help create it, but I don't know PHP/mysql/whatever people use to make this stuff.  But yeah, it mostly just hasn't caught on yet.  If you can help, please do. - Omegatron 14:09, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

I would like to put the table editor into my local copy of MediaWiki I am using for non-Wikipedia purposes. Can you drop me a mail at mediawiki@ibas-labs.de where i can get the software part of that?

Thanks in Advance, Peter

 * There is none. It is non-functional.  :-)  Please comment on the discussion page if you like it and we can submit a well-developed feature request. - Omegatron 16:23, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Electronics contribution
Hi,

The content so far is quite impressive. I have a lot of experience in both analog and digital electronics. I'd like to contribute, but I'm not sure where I should focus my efforts.

There's a fair amount to be done wrt oscillators and filters.

Any suggestions? - Madhu

 * Just start editing! Here are some things I was going to work on but either no motivation or I just don't know enough about them:

 * RC circuit
 * RLC circuit
 * Electronic filter - This needs a list of butterworth, chebyshev, etc. and diagrams?
 * Butterworth filter
 * Chebyshev filter
 * Bessel filter
 * Elliptic filter
 * Electronic oscillator

 * - Omegatron 22:56, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

Cathodic protection and galvanic anodes
Hi O,egatron,

I removed your suggestion to merge cathodic protection and galvanic anodes. Galvanic anodes are only one part of one type of CP system. I am a CP engineer and intend to continue to add entries and details on CP and related topics.

Derek

 * Oh, excellent. Thanks.  The Rust article has some info about those that might be wrong, too... - Omegatron 19:56, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Hartley osc.jpg
Hi Omegatron. You volunteered to handle electrical schematics on Wikipedia:Image recreation requests. I've got one for you: Image:Hartley osc.jpg. Also, Image:Heat Coil.JPG is somewhat related, although I'm not sure if it's your cup of tea or not. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:54, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Bridged amplifier
I'm not sure what happened to that edit. It was in stubs so I altered it to tech-stub but the history shows that it was previously tech-stub and had category and an edit to the name that put it in triple single quotes. It looks like I was editing an out of date version except I didn't go to the history (as far as I recall). I've reverted but I don't know exactly what happened. I've seen some other things remaining in category:stub that had been altered (I thought it was just delayed updating of the category. I wonder if anyone else is seeing this? RJFJR 04:10, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

I checked some more. It's like I somehow edited the original version of the article instead of the latest version. I don't see why category:stub would have a pointer to the old version. It would explain why it was still in category:stub instead of tech-stub. RJFJR 04:19, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Gnuplot diagrams
Hi, I don't know about maxima, but when using Gnuplot, the best is to output the diagrams as EPS. This has two advantages: you can also use them in printed documents with no quality loss, and you can convert them to raster by using a good graphics manipulation program that can do anti-aliasing. --stw (Talk) 11:01, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Electrical diagrams
Go for it, man. Much better, indeed. — Kieff | Talk 23:38, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Spectral density and other things
Thank you for your contributions to Spectral density and Periodogram. I just wonder, why do you move the physics-stub from the bottom of the article? I thought it was more approproate at the bottom.

And a small request. Would you mind providing an edit summary? I find it very helpful for articles on my watchlist. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov 21:33, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

logo for Template:Disambig

 * Halló Omegatron! Thanks for your vote and comment at de:Bild Diskussion:Logo Begriffsklärung.png. I think the result out of this vote would be an easier way to identify disambiguations at the various Wikipedias. I know how much time is spend by all the contributors and that some people have the ideas, others the technical skills or the right tools; I have none of the last [[Image:Smiley.png|16px|;-)]] According to my opinion having an icon would move things forward. Regards Gangleri | [ Th] | T 23:05, 2005 Mar 14 (UTC)

Gnuplot
I've replied on my talk page. --MarkSweep 03:43, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

periods at the end of formulas
is there a consensus that this is needed? looks bad to me. - Omegatron 00:19, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * I wonder if the reason it looks bad has to do with a peculiarity of using TeX on Wikipedia, as opposed to using TeX in the usual way. That is that if you put the period or comma outside the math tags, it gets mis-aligned.  If you put it inside, however, it looks good. Michael Hardy 23:46, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Period at the end of formula is the universal style in math. I am aware that in engineering for example, people do not do that. Did it happen that I modified something outside math (I try to stick to math, but sometimes the links from the list of mathematics topics lead into related subjects). If you would like, we can have a wider discussion about this. Oleg Alexandrov 00:24, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah it was an electronics article common drain, and they weren't sentences, either. I think even in mathematics articles it doesn't look good.  I don't remember seeing it in my math books.  It looks like a symbol, which could certainly confuse me; I don't know about other people.  $$Q \cdot Q .$$ $$\dot Q .$$ $$..., 1, 2, 3, ... .$$ Perhaps it's something from typesetting that doesn't carry over perfectly to the web? - Omegatron 00:30, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * I just pulled two math books off my shelf (math math, not engineering math) :-) and they are different. One has no punctuation next to formulas unless they are inline with the sentence.  The other has periods the way you are using. - Omegatron 00:35, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * I would not like to start this on the wrong foot. Can we talk first before you get on to reverting things? Oleg Alexandrov 00:29, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I just reverted that one; don't worry. - Omegatron 00:35, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for stopping reversions. There is nothing more pissing me off than people doing things without consultation.

 * I just randomly pulled 5 applied math and probabily books off my shelf. They all use period at the end. Would you like us to discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Or would you take my promise that I will not mess up with any articles which are not either linked from list of mathematics topics, or in some math category, or listed as a math stub? Either way is very fine with me. Oleg Alexandrov 00:42, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I did not consult anybody. But, I am already at letter "C", and at at least 5 Wikipedians I know had one or more of those on their watchlist. I can certainly stop until we talk this over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. All up to you. Oleg Alexandrov 00:47, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Let's just move this conversation there and see what other people have to add, and you can keep going with the math articles. - Omegatron 00:49, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Just did that! Oleg Alexandrov 00:52, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Omegatron/Archive01


text:
User:Dwbird2

Welcome, bienvenido, Wilkommen, benvingut, bienvenue. I am a professor of modern languages in California. My Wikipedia participation concentrates on cleanup and copyediting, since my schedule permits only short visits to Wikipedia. I have written some smallish articles on Spanish authors of the twentieth century on whom I work in my professional life. These include at present

 * Quim Monzó (aside from the introduction a translation from the Catalan Wikipedia)
 * Gabriel Alomar

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Communist Workers' Party – For Peace and Socialism

Communist Workers' Party – For Peace and Socialism (Kommunistinen Työväenpuolue – Rauhan ja Sosialismin puolesta, KTP) is a communist party in Finland. It was founded in 1988 to secure the existence of an independent Marxist–Leninist party. Since it was founded, it has been re-registered and subsequently de-registered multiple times, since its founding, it has failed to gain any seats in the Parliament of Finland. The party has been de-registered since 2019.

History
The Finnish communist movement was split in the mid-1980s after years of infighting. Those expelled from the Communist Party of Finland (SKP) formed the Communist Party of Finland (Unity) (SKPy) which, however, itself soon split into different factions. KTP was founded in 1988 by one part of the Finnish communists who thought the SKPy had ventured too far from the principles of Marxism–Leninism. The final decision to find a new communist party was made in the autumn 1987 seminar held in Matinkylä. The Marxist–Leninists behind the project felt themselves neglected since the Dipoli Congress of the SKPy in 1986. Many of the KTP cadres came from the (expelled) Uusimaa district of the SKP which, since the late 1970s, had had its disputes with the opposition of the SKP led by the Tiedonantaja society.

In 2002, the KTP split over question of alliances possible for a communist party. The Central Committee of the KTP rejected after voting (18–9) a proposed membership in a new (electoral) party, Forces for Change in Finland (MVS), in which clearly right-wing elements were also going to participate. MVS was supported especially by the Helsinki district organization of the KTP which then decided to enter the MVS without their comrades. KTP answered by expelling the above-mentioned organization and many leading members of the party, including Heikki Männikkö (the party secretary), Reijo Katajaranta (the editor-in-chief of the KTP organ) and Pekka Tiainen (the former presidential candidate in 1994), all had to go. The communists that were expelled then founded their own organization, which was at first plainly called ’The Communists’, but later changed to League of Communists (or Communist League). The KTP has avoided contacting and doings with their ex-members.

The KTP got some unexpected nationwide publicity ahead the local elections in 2004 when the Turku and Raisio branches of the party made an electoral alliance with the anti-immigration party Finnish People's Blue-Whites. The KTP party leadership reacted strongly and condemned the manoeuvres. The alliances were, however, already signed and the KTP candidates stood in the two west coast cities with no success. The broader KTP didn't advertise their rebel candidates. The man behind the alliances, Esko Luukkonen, was discharged from all party responsibilities, and he along with the KTP Turku district organization later joined the League of Communists.

Politics
The KTP's platform is rooted in the Soviet tradition of Marxism–Leninism. However, the KTP has included a critique of the revisionism of the former Soviet Union as part of party ideology since the establishment of the party. Lead members of the KTP have been known to quote Joseph Stalin and use traditional Leninist rhetoric. Party members have also rejected the idea of Eurocommunism. The KTP has shown support for North Korea, also known as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) with KTP party members often praising the leadership of the DPRK's current governing body. Many of Kim Jong-Il's writings have also been published by the KTP, and the party members have participated in the Finnish Society for the Study of the Juche Idea.

The KTP has been strictly against Finland's participation in the European Union and the adoption of the euro as Finland's currency. KTP party members have been known to boycott European Parliament elections.

Organization
The KTP holds party congresses in which the official delegates choose the members of the important Central Committee. Little change usually happens. The current chairperson of the party is Mikko Vartiainen. Vartiainen was preceded by Hannu Harju, who became the chairperson in 1997. Harju was preceded by Timo Lahdenmäki.

The KTP has been a small party all its history and it currently has some 200 members. The candidates of the KTP in the parliamentary elections have failed to get the attention of voters and the party has managed to gather only a few thousand votes. The KTP has had some local strongholds, like the city of Kemi in northern Finland where Pirkko Ezewuzie was a city council member until the end of the year 2008. The party, with its own candidate lists, has also participated in the elections of some trade unions and co-operatives.

The KTP has international contacts even though the party is not a member of any international organization. The Russian Communist Workers' Party – Revolutionary Party of Communists has warm relations with the KTP as well as the Nordic Communist Party of Sweden (SKP), Communist Party in Denmark (KPiD) and Communist Party of Norway (NKP).

Työkansan Sanomat (TKS), which appears fifteen times a year, is the official print publication of the KTP. The current editor-in-chief of TKS is Rauno Lintunen.

In the Helsinki area Lähiradio radio station the KTP has a weekly program called Työväen puolituntinen.