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Talk:List of ice hockey leagues

Level of calibre
I think the only person who realy considers the ECHL a "higher caliber" of hockey than the CHL or the UHL is the ECHL itself and the ECHL fans that have been brainwashed by their PR machine. They might have a better league front office and a union, but the players are pretty much equal.

Could we please refrain from listing leagues that haven't played any games. Ex: According to its website: the Canadian Professional Hockey WAS scheduled to start in 2004. Is it still on for next season? Is there any press about it? Any venue leases signed? Any actual teams? Anyone can register a domain name and declare that they are forming a league. This article isn't titled "List of Rumored Ice Hockey Leagues". And how far down do we let this go? It looks like we're listing regional pickup leagues. We have to draw a line somewhere. I play kickball in a rec league, but I don't feel the need to wikify it. Comments? ccwaters 21:40, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gods, yes, please. It's like the hype with the "new" WHA, down to someone wikifying it into a "major" league and putting down a list of "Interested Players." That's not a serious encyclopedia entry, that's the gossip column from The Hockey News. Accomplished fact is one thing, wish fulfillment another. User:Ravenswing 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Damn... just hours after I post this we find the WHA popping up again and someone else insisting on a baseballesque A-AA-AAA classification. At this point I'm asking myself what should we revert back too, or should I even bother???? ccwaters 05:22, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep reverting. Fight the good fight. – flamurai (t) 06:44, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

USHL
USHL is NOT considered major junior in the United States...it is considered normal Jr A "Tier 1", as NAHL is considered Jr A "Tier 2" 66.99.53.29 15:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

SEHL
What's this about the SEHL reforming for this season? I can't anything that suggests that's happening. It looks like they tried to regroup for last season but only managed to round up 2 teams: Tupelo and Birmingham (Pelham). Something tells me its dead. ccwaters 11:14, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

CHL: amateur or professional?
Aren't Canadian Junior leagues professional? Those players get paid - why would they be classified as amateur? Zubizuva 16:01, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * They are Hockey Canada leagues. Hockey Canada only governs amateur hockey. They only get paid a stipend that averages $60 a week, not a salary. I admit it's a gray area because the NCAA considers major junior teams professional for the sake of eligibility, but it's splitting hairs to put them under professional. The players cannot make a career out of playing in the CHL because of the age limitation. It's intended as the top level of amateur hockey. – flamurai (t) 19:54, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I knew it was something that could be argued either way. I was going by NCAA declaring junior player inelligible.... I just wanted some input before I went off and changed it.  Zubizuva 28 June 2005 04:00 (UTC)

 * The NCAA only considers them professional for the sake of Scholarships. They can however, still play in the NCAA if they have played in the CHL. --Djsasso 28 June 2005 04:08 (UTC)

Same League, different name
The Western Canada Hockey League and Western Hockey League (professional) were the exact same league with only a name change. Do we need to list them as separate entries? Masterhatch 27 August 2005

Junior B, etc
Would it be possible to build/reference some sort of article about the "Junior"/"Senior" A/B/C variants of hockey leagues in Canada? As an ignorant American, I had no idea that "Junior B" was an equivalent (roughly, as I am starting to understand it) of college-level hockey amateur teams... but paid? You understand my confusion, I hope. I'm searching for clarity here, and you seemed like the folks to know... -- nae'blis (talk) 21:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan, but let me give you a precis. "Major Junior" leagues run from (roughly) ages 16-20, and are pretty much feeders into pro hockey.  They aren't pro teams, per se (not according to the NCAA, anyway, but that hasn't always been their take), but the players receive stipends.  Junior A are the top level junior teams that aren't in the OHL/WHL/QMJL troika.  Junior B & C are lower levels that either feed into the Junior A or college programs.  "Senior" leagues are fully adult loops; technically, the NHL and the various minor pro leagues are all "senior" leagues, as is the local beer-and-pretzels leagues running out of your hometown hockey rink.  The best of them (the "Senior A" loops) are organized into regional leagues and are heavily stocked with former pro and college players.  Ravenswing 21:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

NCAA
Is it necessary to list out all the conferences in both Division I and Division II/III? No other leagues have conferences listed. It seems to me that there should just be two entries on this article, one for Division I and one for Division II/III. DII and DIII should be listed together I'm guessing due to the very low number of Division II teams and also that DII/DIII play each other.Limasbravo 15:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I would gather the guys that play in DII would object to being lumped into DII ;)-
 * Beyond that, the separate "conferences" are in fact leagues. We don't clump Canadian major junior teams into a generic "Hockey Canada" label, however much HC is an umbrella organization much alike to the NCAA, nor do we compact the CHL/UHL/etc teams into a bloated "Low Minors" category.  Is there a reason why listing the conferences is onerous?  Ravenswing 11:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What division II? There hasn't been any Div II conferences in at least 10 years. Not sure the of the exact time frame, but there were just a handful of schools during the 90ies, and the last championship held was 1999. ccwaters 13:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Division II teams still exist, there just is no Division II championship due the small amount of them. The ECAC Northeast division has four of them (So. New Hampshire, Stonehill, Franklin Pierce, and Assumption).  And yes, they're leagues.  Terminology, my bad.  I guess they should be kept then  (Rats, I forgot to sign my name last time)Limasbravo 15:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * : Never noticed that before. So, those four plus St. Anselm (ECAC East) are it? What makes them Div II? Do they give out scholarships? Are they just stragglers that haven't made the switch up or down?. ccwaters 16:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * : Here is a good link to see the NCAA teams/Divs. I would say until there are no more DII teams out there we should at least recognize the fact that there are teams playing DII —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khoogheem (talk • contribs) 19:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC).
 * I really don't know about the circumstances, but I'd immagine it's other athletics they are in besides hockey. I'm sure they wouldn't want to switch everything to be Division III, but them deciding to "play up" and be Division I is a huge step up.  They'd have to worry about needing better facilties and other things like that.  I'm not sure if D-II can give out scholarships or not.  There are a number of D-II schools that "play up" right now in Division I, my favorite team the University_of_Minnesota_Duluth Bulldogs are one example.  Limasbravo 13:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm an RIT alum. I don't recall seeing any of the ECAC NE Div II schools come in when I was there (and RIT hockey was Div III). That's why I never noticed. RIT's schedules back then were mostly in conference ECAC West, the SUNYs, Eastern power schools (Norwich, Middlebury) and occasionally a lower tier Div I team. ccwaters 13:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

United Hockey League / International Hockey League
According to the league's web site, this isn't a "renaming," but an entirely new corporate entity. The presumption so far on Wikipedia is that the league's just changed names, but is that how we want to handle it?  Ravenswing  13:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you mentioned that RG. Do you have any further details as to why its a completely new corporate entity? Flibirigit 15:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Language such as "Paul L. Pickard has been named the first President/CEO of the new IHL," which wouldn't be necessary for a mere name change, as Pickard was President of the UHL, and "The Bloomington PrairieThunder, the Flint Generals, the Fort Wayne Komets, the Kalamazoo Wings and the Muskegon Fury join the league after being member clubs of the UHL during the 2006-07 season."   Ravenswing  18:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. I see your point, as mentioned on the web site. Does anyone know why the new league was formed, and the fate of the UHL? Was there also a similar situation when teams switched from the Colonial Hockey League? Flibirigit 05:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

North American section
This should be split between Canada and the United States. There really is no reason to combine them like this, especially since the European section is divided by country. A matter of consistency. NorthernThunder (talk) 01:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

 * This suggestion is still worth consideration fourteen years later. If there are no objections, I will attempt to undertake the reorganization by country in the near future. Spitzmauskc (talk) 15:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Australian Womens Ice Hockey Leauge.
This womens leauge should be added to the list for Oceania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Women's_Ice_Hockey_League — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.166.15 (talk) 23:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

South America?
Are there no South American ice hockey leagues? I guess it wouldn't be too surprising if there weren't, but every other populated continent is mentioned, so it's still somewhat surprising that S. America isn't there. 174.124.184.66 (talk) 03:59, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of ice hockey teams in the United States and Canada
The overlap with List of ice hockey leagues appears considerable. It should be merged, or more clearly differentiated. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Oppose contextually and conditionally (with alternate suggestion). The content in the proposed merge is a list of teams while the destination is a list of leagues so to content is different. It does however have severe overlap with List of professional sports teams in the United States and Canada but with the addition of the junior/amateur level teams (with the top level also listed at Canadian Hockey League). The content as it is currently written is problematic in that it has no references, but it also does not seem to violate WP:LISTN (as "List of X of Y"). The new list itself has many other problems and needs significant improvement. It also appears to be one those types of very broad lists that will be quickly out of date after a year because there aren't many pages that would have the potential to link to it and the teams and organizations frequently change on the lower levels. In terms of improvement, I would remove all Notes columns as it is ambiguous and if it is to be used for relocations, then just have a look at American Hockey League for the content that would be needed there. Lots of info there not relevant for a List article. There also needs to be a limit to level of the teams on the list. If uncontrolled you could get a list with every non-notable amateur team in the US and Canada, see Template:Junior Hockey for just the list of leagues in Canada B, C, and D. There are also no mention of NCAA Div III or CIS/Usport, both usually around the level Junior A or the Tier II NAHL. Of course, if we limit it to just professional, then Redirect to List of professional sports teams in the United States and Canada. While I think the the new list does appear as WP:LISTCRUFT, if taken to AfD, it may or may not be deleted in the same way that Articles for deletion/List of minor sports teams in the United States by city was argued. (Which in this case I would probably lean towards delete as well because of the undiscussed "List of X of Y" difficulty in deciding on an appropriate destination). Yosemiter (talk) 22:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yosemiter, you make sense. Do you want to have a go at it?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps when I get a bit more time. However, I would be interested in other's opinions on other redirect possibilities. "List of X of Y" articles seem very subjective and WP:LISTCRUFTy to me. Yosemiter (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

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July 14 2006 news releases
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League expansion
National Women’s Hockey League Announces Major Expansion Brampton (July 13th, 2006): Women’s hockey has taken an important momentous step as this sport continues to grow across North America. “All elite women’s hockey teams in North America will play within the NWHL this coming season,” announced Susan Fennell, Commissioner of the National Women’s Hockey League. “Discussions have been underway over the past several months, and clearly all players want one pinnacle Championship to strive for.” The National Women's Hockey League (NWHL) represents the highest level of women's league play in the world. The league creates an environment that recognizes the world class status of these players in a way that represents them as role models for young athletes. Most of Team Canada’s players are members of the NWHL and the league attracts United States national team players as well. "This paves the way for all teams to compete for one National Championship, the NWHL Championship Cup, currently housed in the Hockey Hall of Fame,” Fennell said. “This season may just end with the first ever hoisting of the Clarkson Cup.” Last season the NWHL teams played in six cities: Brampton, Durham, Oakville, Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal (two teams). In the West, elite women’s hockey was played under the Western Women’s Hockey League (WWHL) umbrella in five cities: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Minneapolis and Regina. The new structure will bring together Western teams, who will compete under the West Division of the National Women’s Hockey League while the East and Central teams will continue under the Central Division of the NWHL. The NWHL is sanctioned and governed by the Ontario Women’s Hockey Association which will be handling the administration. "We are very pleased to see elite female hockey united under the umbrella of the NWHL,” said Fran Rider, Executive Director of the OWHA. "This will provide expanded opportunities for our exceptional players to showcase their excellence while contributing to the promotion and development of the sport. “ "The Western teams are thrilled to be part of the newly re-organized NWHL,” said Bill Espey, President of the Western Women’s Hockey League (WWHL). “We look forward to the on-ice competition and welcome the opportunity to work with our colleagues across Canada to build on the exceptional growth of the game.” Media Contact: Susan Fennell Fran Rider Bill Espey Commissioner Executive Director President NWHL OWHA/NWHL WWHL/NWHL 905-453-1363 416-573-5447 306-244-1828

Fennell's resignation
Fennell positions women’s hockey for success (Brampton, Ontario) Today Susan Fennell, Mayor of the City of Brampton and Commissioner of the National Women’s Hockey League (NWHL) announced that she is retiring from the NWHL. Fennell, the founding Commissioner of the NWHL, worked tirelessly to build a real ‘Hockey League for Women’.. her dream and vision that girls could grow up ‘wanting to play in the NWHL’.. just as boys dream to someday play in the National Hockey League (NHL). “I remember coming back from the Olympics in 1998 and we didn’t even have a team to play on”, says Olympian Vicky Sunohara. “Susan Fennell stepped up and today we have a Championship CUP in the Hockey Hall of Fame, we have fans, we have so much more.. …” In 1999, Commissioner Fennell negotiated a national television contract with MAC Productions, purchased a ‘CUP’ modelled after the Stanley Cup along with an MVP trophy, called the Brampton Cup and in year 2000 the first NWHL Championship Cup was hoisted. Fighting to create an identity for the women, Susan negotiated to have these two NWHL cups forever placed in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Since then, every year, the NWHL Championship has been nationally broadcast on TV and played before record full house crowds (5,000+ fans!) in Brampton. Today, the NWHL is a recognized name, with a recognizable Logo (designed by Michael Charbon of MAC Productions), a frequently visited website (www.nwhlhockey.com updated daily by Bob Dandridge). Scores are updated real-time with POINTSTREAK. At the 2005 NWHL Championship Final, the NHL provided the Stanley Cup to stand alongside the NWHL’s Championship Cup as further evidence that the women have a ‘league of their own’ and a ‘cup of their own’. “Susan Fennell has played an instrumental role in moving the cause of women's hockey forward during her tenure as Commissioner of the National Women's Hockey League,” said Bill Daly, NHL Deputy Commissioner “The National Hockey League supports the continued growth of women's hockey and Susan Fennell has left women’s hockey with a solid foundation for future advancement.” In 2005, Fennell contacted Governor General A Clarkson and invited her to ‘provide the NWHL Championship Cup status by naming the CUP the Clarkson Cup’.. This too, has now been accomplished. “Susan Fennell has made significant contributions and should be thanked for what she’s done for the game,” stated Cassie Campbell, Olympian and Team Canada Captain. “Nine years ago we played for T-Shirts now we have the foundation for a future Pro League.” “In 8 years Susan’s commitment and dedication produced an unparalleled profile for women’s league hockey. Susan built a solid volunteer organization and she will be missed. Susan created the league that is entertaining to watch, while ensuring those who play are treated and showcased as the superstars they are! The NWHL is the premier league for women’s hockey, where about 90% of the players from five-time World Champion Team Canada play. It has also attracted players from Team USA, Team Finland, Team Germany and Team Japan. “, said Bob Dandridge, VP NWHL. “ I'm sad that Susan Fennell is stepping aside, but I understand her time restraints, “ stated Jayna Hefford, 3-time Olympic Champion. “Susan Fennell has made women’s hockey better. Susan Fennell has brought women's hockey to new levels during her 8 years in the game. She has provided us with an opportunity to compete at the highest level, in front of full arenas and she has also given us a vision of where women's club hockey in Canada, and the world can get to. Personally, she has provided me with an atmosphere to train harder, become a better player and become a part of a community that is very proud of women's hockey (Brampton). Susan has been a part of my success at both the World and Olympic levels. I'm thankful to her for making women's hockey more professional, and encouraging the game's future leaders to take it further". “I couldn’t have done this without the many people who supported me and women’s hockey, as volunteers we worked together to surround women’s league hockey to ensure this game and these players received the recognition and respect that they so deserve. My focus and goals were always with only the players in mind” said Susan Fennell. “With the NWHL expansion across the country now achieved and the Championship Cup now named the Clarkson Cup, the NWHL will need full-time attention,” said Fennell. “Women’s hockey is a great passion of mine, I remain their biggest fan! but it is time to pass the baton.” -30- Susan Fennell Office 905-874-2600 Cell 416-473-1333

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Clarkson Cup
Apparently, the Clarkson Cup was not awarded this year, and it was meant for the champion of a series between the west and the east. That's not what is says in the article. Does anyone have any clarification? -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Your guess is as good as anyones. It doesnt even seem like the leagues have any clue themselves what is going on.  The two leagues supposedly merged, but the WWHL website still acts like the western league is independent.  It also lists the Strathmore Rockies as a team in the league, but does not credit its results in the standings.  The NWHL webmaster made no effort in updating any western scores, and the Oval X-Treme are branding themselves as WWHL champions.  The league struggles because it is low calibre hockey trying to compete on a national level.  Even with the best female players in the world struggle against Jr A mens teams. Resolute 05:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like the NWHL stopped updating its website altogether. -- Earl Andrew - talk 06:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like it has suspended operations altogether. That the WWHL is still playing next season pretty much underscores how this merger was in name only.  Functionally, the NWHL and WWHL are still two separate leagues. Resolute 15:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

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Manchuria Aviation Company

Manchuria Aviation Company  (traditional Chinese/Kyūjitai: 滿洲航空株式會社; simplified Chinese: 满州航空株式会社; Shinjitai: 満州航空株式会社;  Japanese Hepburn: Manshū Kōkū Kabushiki-gaisha, "MKKK") was the national airline of Manchukuo.

Manchuria Aviation Company was established on 26 September 1931 in Fengtian by order of the Japanese Kwantung Army, out of the Manchurian branch office of Japan Air Transport, the forerunner of Imperial Japanese Airways. It officially adopted the name Manchuria Aviation Company on the proclamation of the independence of Manchukuo. Major shareholders were the Manchukuo government, the South Manchurian Railway Company and the Sumitomo zaibatsu.

From the beginning, the Manchuria Aviation Company was a paramilitary airline, whose primary purpose was to provide transport and logistical support for the military, and for the transport of mail. Civilian passengers were carried and charter operations undertaken on a lower priority.

In 1936, an "Independent Volunteer Battalion" of the MKKK consisting of 13 aircraft fought on the side of the Inner Mongolian Army against Kuomintang-held Suiyuan.

The airline had a "hub" in Xinjing and was linked by regular flight routes from Harbin, Shamussi (Jiamusi), Jilin, Mukden, Andong, Jinzhou, Chengde, Qiqihar, Hailar, and the Kwantung Leased Territory and Korea areas, for connections with Imperial Japanese Airways (Dai Nippon Koku KK) to Japan itself or foreign routes. A long distance route between Hsinking and Berlin was also pioneered in 1938. The repair shops of the MKKK produced copies of the Fokker Super Universal (Nakajima Ki-6) and the De Havilland DH.80 "Pussmoth"

The Manchuria Aviation Company ceased operations in August 1945 during the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. However, wartime fuel and equipment shortages had previously curtailed its operations considerably. Remaining aircraft, goods and equipment were confiscated, to the benefit of the Soviet Union and Chinese Communist Party, after the conflict.

Fleet

 * 30x Manshū MT-1 Hayabusa airliner
 * 27x de Havilland DH.80 Pussmoth
 * 15x Messerschmitt Bf 108A/B Taifun liaison aircraft
 * 12x Nakajima AT-2 Thora transports
 * 10x Mitsubishi MC-20 Topsy transports
 * 10x Junkers Ju 86Z-1 transports/bombers
 * 10x Junkers Ju 86Z-2 transports/bombers
 * 2x Heinkel He 116A communications planes
 * 2x Fokker F.VIIb-3m/M transports
 * 1x Tachikawa Ki-54 Hickory transport
 * 1x de Havilland DH.85 Leopardmoth
 * 1x General Aviation GA-43 transport
 * ?x Tachikawa Type LO Thelma transport (license build Lockheed Model 14-38 Super Electra)
 * ?x Airspeed Envoy (license build Mitsubishi Type Hinazuru transport)
 * ?x Manshū Super Universal (license built Fokker Super Universal)
 * ?x Kawasaki Ki-56 Thalia transport
 * ?x Kokusai Ki-59 transport

Accidents and incidents

 * On June 20, 1941, Mitsubishi MC-20 (registration M-604) crashed in the Sea of Japan, killing all 18 on board.

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Talk:Jewish biblical exegesis

Suggestion: The categories should each contain one or a just a few brief paragraphs summing up the main exegetes and their works, with numerous internal links to individual articles. The entries here should be brief in order to provide a useful overview (and will begin simply as lists, though they should eventually be expanded to provide at least some explanation). In-depth descriptions should be left for the specific linked articles.

Strongly disagree
IZAK, sorry, but I strongly disagree.
 * There should be a separate list for biblical exegesis specifically, especially one that categorizes things correctly for the history of Jewish biblical interpretation. Not just one "rabbinic literature" mish-mash of everything.
 * "Rabbinic literature" itself - should not be an article on anything and everything on the Jewish bookshelf, but specifically on the literature of the Tannaim and Amoraim.

I'm not going to push the second point, but I'm reverting the first point. But changing "biblical" to lower-case.

Chag Kasher ve-Sameakh! Dovi 12:58, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * This material is all over Wikipedia. Meforashim, Rabbinic literature etc all duplicate the same. Redirect it is. JFW | T@lk  14:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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Helter Shelter (The Simpsons)

"Helter Shelter" is the fifth episode of the fourteenth season of the American animated television series The Simpsons. It originally aired on the Fox network in the United States on December 1, 2002. In the episode, the Simpson family has to find temporary residence while their house is fumigated for termites. When they run out of options, they decide to become contestants on a reality show where families live in the manner that people did in 1895. The family is initially miserable, but slowly adapt to their new life, which causes the show to lose ratings. The producers decide to try to boost viewers by dumping the house in a river and forcing the family to survive in the wilderness. However, the Simpsons find a bunch of rejects from other reality shows and they attack the producers.

Plot
After Homer is hit by a falling girder at work and suffers a mild head injury, Mr. Burns gives him luxury skybox tickets to a hockey game in order to keep him from suing the power plant. Homer, Marge and Bart ignore the game in favor of enjoying the amenities, while Lisa leaves the box in order to watch the game from rink-side. One of the players gives her his stick in gratitude for her useful advice, and Homer mounts it on the wall above her bed that night. In so doing, though, he releases a swarm of termites that cause severe damage to the house overnight. The Simpsons are forced to move out for six months so the house can be fumigated.

Finding themselves without any suitable lodgings, they learn from Barney and Carl about The 1895 Challenge, a reality show in which a family must inhabit a Victorian era house and adopt a lifestyle consistent with the title year. Homer is reluctant at first, but takes the family to audition for the show. The producers select the Simpsons after watching Homer's overreactions to trivial things. The family has trouble adjusting to the drastic changes in daily life at first, leading to high ratings among viewers who enjoy watching their misery. However, Homer soon rallies their spirits and their attitudes improve as they begin to adapt to 1895 life. When the ratings begin to fall as a result, the producers introduce Squiggy from Laverne & Shirley into the show, even allowing him to use a Taser as a means of disrupting the peaceful situation. After this ploy fails to boost the ratings, the producers secretly airlift the house off its foundations and drop it in a river while the Simpsons are sleeping.

The crew films the house's plunge over a waterfall and its collapse after running aground. Squiggy is killed in the crash, but the Simpsons emerge unhurt from the wreckage and must forage for food and shelter in the wilderness, since the crew refuses to give them lunch. They soon encounter a group of savage-looking people who turn out to be a tribe of contestants from another reality show, left to fend for themselves after they lost their final challenge. They team up with the Simpsons to overpower the crew and return to civilization. With the family back in their newly fumigated house, Homer decides he will only watch scripted television shows, but can find nothing good to watch. He eventually falls victim to Bart's pranks with the garden hose outside, to the enjoyment of Marge and Lisa.

Production
"Helter Shelter" was written by Brian Pollack and Mert Rich and directed by Mark Kirkland as part of the fourteenth season of The Simpsons (2002–03). Actor David Lander, who portrayed Squiggy in Laverne & Shirley, guest starred in the episode as that character, while boxer Larry Holmes appeared as himself. This is the final aired episode of The Simpsons to be animated using the traditional ink-and-paint technique. Since the following episode, "The Great Louse Detective", The Simpsons has been animated with digital ink and paint. Digital animation had previously been used by the show on season 7's "Radioactive Man" and season 12's "Tennis the Menace", primarily to test the technique.

Whilst the family look for places to stay. Lisa informs them they could stay at a youth hostel. Bart then responds: “I do not want another lecture from a German backpacker about how we don't appreciate the National Park System!." In "The Heartbroke Kid", the family actually convert 742 Evergreen Terrace into an youth hostel in order to pay for Bart's weight loss camp bills.

Cultural references
The TV show that the Simpson family goes on is a parody of a PBS TV show called The 1900 House. The show had a family live in a Victorian house, and live as if it were the year 1900. The scene in which the Simpsons wait outside their house waiting for time to "fly by" is a parody of the opening sequence of King of the Hill. The poison bottle has a face of James Coburn on it.

This is the third time Bill Cosby has been parodied on The Simpsons. There is an extra gag in that the Cosby family are losing ratings on their reality show, so the producers decide on the Simpsons; in the early years, The Cosby Show was a ratings rival with The Simpsons. "Squiggy" being sent to boost The 1895 Challenge ratings is another reference to The Cosby Show, who sent "Smitty" (Adam Sandler) to the Cosby's house. Following Cosby's initial conviction of multiple sexual assault cases in 2018, the scene which parodies Cosby in the auditions for The 1895 Challenge has been cut out of television airings of this episode.

The episode title is a reference to The Beatles song "Helter Skelter".

Bart laments having access only to Mutt and Jeff comic books and is quoted as saying, "This has been the worst week of my life. I miss my toys and my video games. Mutt and Jeff comics are NOT funny! They're gay, I get it!". Although everything in the Victorian House is supposed to be from 1895 and before, Mutt and Jeff was not created until 1907.

Exterminators "A Bug's Death" is a parody (namely their logo) of the 1998 Disney/Pixar film A Bug's Life.

Release
The episode originally aired on the Fox network in the United States on December 1, 2002. It was viewed in approximately 8.75 million households that night. With a Nielsen rating of 8.2, the episode finished 22nd in the ratings for the week of November 25 – December 1, 2002. It was the highest-rated broadcast on Fox that week, beating shows such as Boston Public, King of the Hill, 24, and Malcolm in the Middle. On December 6, 2011, "Helter Shelter" was released on Blu-ray and DVD as part of the box set The Simpsons – The Complete Fourteenth Season. Staff members Al Jean, Dan Greaney, Carolyn Omine, Kevin Curran, Mark Kirkland, David Silverman, J. Stewart Burns, Allen Glazier, and Steven Dean Moore participated in the DVD audio commentary for the episode. Deleted scenes from the episode were also included in the box set.

Since airing, "Helter Shelter" has received generally negative reviews from critics. DVD Movie Guide's Colin Jacobson commented that the story of the episode is "not a terrible idea for an episode, but it's not a particularly exciting one, either. The show plods through its scenario without much life, mostly because parodies of reality TV just aren't very interesting; the programs they mock are already so absurd that there's not much room for satire." Ryan Keefer of DVD Talk wrote that the episode is "a prime example of [the show's writers] trying to do something funny and falling flat."

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Motor City Machine
Southern MN relocated to Detroit. I updated the article, but the Motor City Machine needs an article. Maybe change the Southern Minnesota Express page to be Motor City Machine and have the Southern MN Express page re-direct to that? I have no clue how to do that. Limasbravo (talk) 17:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Description
I am changing the first paragraph just a tad because it states that it spans from Alaska, to Texas, to North Dakota, and to Michigan. It currently spans as far east as New York with the new addition of Jamestown Jets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blast51 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Table of champions
I am making tables for the Champions of particular leagues and I have a question. Is it ok to put a championship table for the Rockford IceHogs that includes the championships that the Thunder Bay Senators and the Thunder Bay Thunder Cats won. It shows under defunct teams that all three of these teams are the same team just that they moved around or renamed their team? Thank you. John R G 18:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not generally the case for minor league teams, no. The Peoria Rivermen page doesn't display the Springfield Indians Calder Cups, for one.  Ravenswing 21:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Detroit Falcons
The Detroit Falcons became the Port Huron Border Cats in 1996

Rockford Icehogs
The Rockford Icehogs are not actually moving to the AHL, rather, the Rockford MetroCentre will purchase the rights to the name and logo, and transfer them to the previously defunct Cincinnati AHL team, which the MetroCentre is purchasing. How should this be written on the front page? Bigsnake 19 23:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Probably just as gone defunct.   Ravenswing  13:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The article Rockford to join AHL in 2007-08, gives more details that might be helpful.--Ando por Fe 23:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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Alleged "National Hockey League" experience.
Of the 199 players who suited up for UHL Eastern Division teams last season, exactly ten of those had played in so much as a single NHL game, and only three had played in more than ten NHL games. (No doubt the percentages hold true in the Western Division as well, but there are only so many hockeydb.com entries my eyes will take) Five percent does not constitute "Many of the current IHL players have ... National Hockey League ... experience" under any circumstances whatsoever. I strongly suggest that any other speculative assertions come with verified sources to avoid their swift removal.  Ravenswing  20:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

(2007-)
Instead of "(2007-)" maybe we should put something like "(current)". To me, it sounds better, looks better, and makes more sense. Anyone agree/disagree?  Bsroiaadn Talk 18:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * How about just make it "International Hockey League" and have this...

Salisbury Steak ( complaint dept. - contribs ) 02:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. If anything, the IHL that shouldn't have dates is the 1945-1996 version, which lasted a great deal longer and had a great deal more prominence than the rebranded UHL will likely have.    Ravenswing  12:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger betweem IHL (1945-2007) and IHL (2007-)
Out of curiosity, why was there remove my most recent edit? According to the IHL website, they have not only changed the league name, but now award the old IHL trophies. The link I provided discusses states "The combination of the old and new league will leave open the possibility of naming other awards after people who have made a significant impact in the International Hockey League" and it appears the league it trying to combine the old and new league (hense term merge). If what I wrote was confusing, somewhat inaccurate, poorly strcutreed, etc. that is fine. But I am wondering why there was a flat out removal. Nothing was un-true and a cite was placed on the mereger talks and trophy absorbtion. I am not trying to be nasty (sorry it comes across this way), but I am curious as to why there was a flat out removed merger material that has not only been cited, but produced by the leauge itself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RonSigPi (talk • contribs) 19:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

 * How can they "merge" with something that no longer exists? They bought a name. That's all. In particular, your hypothesis that "it appears the league is attempting to merge with the IHL" has no place in the article. Write facts, not your thoughts on those facts. ccwaters 19:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I quote from the official website again "The combination of the old and new league..." (FACT)

From "http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/merger" Merger = any combination of two or more business enterprises into a single enterprise. (FACT)

Because the league no longer plays does not mean it no longer exists. If the intellectual property rights are still held by an organizaiton, an organization retains rights in a business structure, etc., then it can merge. I dont know the situation, but language used by the league suggest a merger.

I do not belive I added 'opinion' and stand by my assertion. Language from the league suggests merger (see above). If you changed what I had, then I undertand. However, completely deleting FACT seems questionable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RonSigPi (talk • contribs) 21:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, "it appears the league is attempting to merge with the IHL" is your own extrapolation of the situation. The rest of your edit seemed to be a continuation of the same thought. Don't be confused by the language of a press release. ccwaters 13:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The IHL website's History page traces the history of the current league back to the original IHL in 1945. The UHL folded and ceased to exist (reference). IHL Chairman of the Board Michael Franke clarified that the IHL is not the UHL (source). The IHL is not the UHL with a new name.
 * It really is. Yes, the league's management has gone through a surprisingly strident effort to rewrite history, but despite their unsupported claims, the facts remain.   Ravenswing  18:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

When the UHL changed into the IHL, the league specifically wrote to me asking that the "new IHL" be shown separately from the UHL on hockeydb.com. They were attempting to brand themselves as the continuation of the old IHL, assuming their trophies and records. I think they created a legal entity separate from the UHL's legal entity, they even had a new commissioner (though many league employees remained the same) so I created the league as a new IHL, but I did not merge this new league with the old IHL's history since it was obviously just a ploy - I'm not sure they even bought any rights from anyone, they just used the name since it was no longer being used. I think its preferable to keep the new IHL as a free-standing entity away from the UHL Ralph Slate (talk) 14:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

New Record
The Fort Wayne Komets set the all time North American home win streak on March 28, 2008 with 23 against the Kalamazoo Wings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.201.188 (talk) 03:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Low level or Mid level minor league
The current introduction of this article states "It was originally formed in 1991 as the Colonial Hockey League, a low-level minor league." We need to review this league's status as mid or low level, or completely rewrite to say that, the IHL is a low level minor pro league. If you look at the history of Template:Professional Hockey you can see many editors feel the league should be higher up. We need some conclusive wording in this article. Flibirigit (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should list as Low-Mid-High at all. But if we are going to do so it is most definately a low level league as some of its teams are farm teams for ECHL teams. -Djsasso (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Should we reword the introduction to say it "is" a low-level minor league, as opposed to it was founded as a low-level league? Flibirigit (talk) 01:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It would make a great deal more sense to say that it is one than it was "founded" as one, granted; the latter implies intent by the founders we shouldn't impugn. As far as whether it is one or not, yes, it's obvious that the concept ticks off the UHL/IHL fans who want to believe that the league is a major player in the minors, but their opinion doesn't trump the numerous cited reliable sources to the contrary.    Ravenswing  04:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Based on comments by Djsasso and Ravenswing, I have rearranged the introduction. Flibirigit (talk) 05:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Djsasso, what teams in the IHL are "farm teams" for the ECHL? I don't know of a single IHL team which has an afiliation agreement with an ECHL team.  Port Huron and Flint have agreements with Grand Rapids of the AHL, but no team has an affiliation with an ECHL team.  Ravenswing, where are these sources you are talking about?  Source #1 on the main page is a dead link, source #2 says nothing about the IHL being a lower league than the ECHL, only lower than the AHL, source #3 is a dead link, source #4 refers to the UHL as "Low Double A" which implies (in my reading,) that they are still above the SPHL and other single A leagues, source #5 makes no mention of the UHL/IHL being above or below any of the other AA leagues and source #6 says the UHL was under the ECHL in 2000, not now, in 2000.

 * The IHL has a $13,000 weekly salary cap where the ECHL only has a $11,200/week cap, as there are no "Letter Grades (AA, AAA)" given to leagues officialy and these teams don't play against eachother, I think players salaries are the only way to determine high, mid and low level in minor league hockey. Acronjsmith (talk) 21:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I realize you like the premise no more than the UHL/IHL fans ever have, but ... first off, the point of the sources was not to compare and contrast whether the UHL was "higher" or "lower" than any other league, but to highlight whether it was generally regarded in the hockey world as a "low-level" league, which it is. Whether its quality of play, the salaries it pays its players or any other such consideration actually justifies the appellation isn't at all the point, because we have no authority to set a standard for deciding; Wikipedia is about verifiability.  Feel free to remove any dead links, but if a half-dozen in-line citations don't suffice, I'm happy to make it a round dozen.    Ravenswing  22:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't feel that I'm being biased toward the IHL, I just feel that what wiki is stating is incorrect. What I was saying is that the sources provided were either horribly outdated for putting a class on this league or said nothing about the league's ranking in any way.  The reasoning I am following is listed here on Wikipedia.

 * IHL players do not get promoted to the ECHL or the CHL, if they are getting promoted they go to the AHL. :   If we are going to have a ranking system then it needs to be similar to established ranking systems out there.

 * - Intotheboards.net lumps the ECHL, CHL and IHL in to Low Minor League teams (AA as it lists the SPHL as "lowest minors") Acronjsmith (talk) 20:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion
Given the lack of official rankings, as there is in baseball, and that there is some disagreement, it may be best to avoid mentioning the level at all. I realize that makes it hard to properly contextualize the level of play, but we might have to resort to using more words rather than trying to encapsulate the intricacies as just "low-mid-high".

Note the ambiguity that the phrasing quoted above ("a low-level minor league") causes: the AHL, for example, is a mid-level hockey league but a high-level (highest, actually) minor league. The current wording leaves out "minor" but I think that might be a good replacement for "low-level". Something like: "The International Hockey League is a minor-league professional ice hockey league...". The details of where it falls relative to the AHL and other minor leagues can be clarified later in the article.

I hope this helps clarify the dispute.

-- Powers T 15:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Fort Wayne
To correct my comment in the last edit summary, of course Fort Wayne is in north Indiana. Boy, I feel stupid on that one, but my point still stands. -- SonicAD (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you are missing the point, the old IHL does not need to be gone for the CoHL to have been replacing it. It just has to be less there than it was before. The IHL used to be hugely filled with teams from Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin etc. and they were disappearing when the CoHL was beginning. I will find an article to back it up, but the original comish did say they were starting the league to serve the markets that the IHL had been leaving behind. (ie the smaller communities) -DJSasso (talk) 18:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a problem; I'll pull out my old saved THNs. The Colonial League positioned itself that way from the start.  By the time it was founded, the old IHL was down to three cities of its small-market Great Lakes roots, and the next season the 'Jacks relocated to Cleveland.  The IHL's intentions of going upmarket were loudly trumpeted.    Ravenswing  05:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

League level debate continued...
Two issues with the regurgitation of this fallacy. First, not a single one of the new references are independent; they all come from the league or the league's teams, and the purported new "independent" source has "Press Release From The Quad City Mallards" across the top.

Secondly, it's just plain wrong: hockey does not have any such classification system. The NHL hasn't imposed one. The Hockey Hall of Fame hasn't imposed one. The IIHF hasn't imposed one. There's no such umbrella organization in hockey governing the minor leagues as Minor League Baseball. This is a whole-cloth invention of the ECHL marketing department which the UHL/IHL demonstrably took up.  Ravenswing  07:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It is not nonsense when it is referenced by an independent source. A league or team press release is a source that is verifiable. The fact that you can't find a league structure that identifies what level all the other leagues are is not the issue for this article. This league identifies it self as AA+ level. Just like the ECHL identifies it self as the premiere AA league. It should also be clear by now that this is a mid level league. Above the low level SPHL AAHL,and MWHL, but below the high level AHL. I have updated the references to show the current status of this league. I respectfully request that this article be left as is. Braddaman1 (talk) 10:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm the King of Upper Crosschecklandia and my declaration of such has just as much authority as the IHL. ccwaters (talk) 17:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A league or team press release is not an independent source, as is required. I can see by your contribution list that you're an inexperienced editor and may not be familiar with WP:V and WP:RS; perhaps you should review them before continuing with this discussion.  As far as the fact that no league identifying structure exists, it's quite pertinent; I freely concede that the ECHL and the IHL describe themselves as being "AA," but that doesn't make it so, any more than me describing myself as being a former pro hockey goalie makes me one.  As far as the "low" vs. "mid" level discussion, there've been dozens of cites going back years describing the CoHL/UHL/IHL as "low" level, and that's the case; the ECHL is the mid-level league here.  As I said in the discussion above last year, "it's obvious that the concept ticks off the UHL/IHL fans who want to believe that the league is a major player in the minors, but their opinion doesn't trump the numerous cited reliable sources to the contrary."   Ravenswing  18:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

The problem is all the references that cite this league as a low level league are old references. This league has evolved over the years. My argument is the references that state this is a low level league are old references to the UHL days. If you take the time to read the references, you will see that the level of play has improved and is widely regarded as equal to the play in the ECHL. The only difference is the IHL is not it self affiliated with the NHL or the hockey players union. The IHL salary cap is higher than the ECHL. My argument remains that if the IHL doesn't state in it's own press releases what level of play it is how can any other media outlet report on it? I will continue to find current references and I guess the edit war will continue. I feel I am basing my editing on creditable sources, however yours seems to be somewhat based on old information or personal opinion. Braddaman1 (talk) 04:44, 5 October 2009 (UTC) 22:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

 * We have repeatingly asked you to supply Reliable third party sources to support this AA+ claim. Its a fundamental wikipedia requirement. There's really nothing to discuss until you do. ccwaters (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I just added two current, independent, creditable references to support that fact that IHL is a mid level AA league. I am sure someone will some how discredit these...guess I will wait and see. Braddaman1 (talk) 22:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with what you added was that none of them are from governing bodies that classify the skill level of leagues like USA Hockey. The problem you are going to run into with this is that USA Hockey specifically does not rank pro leagues other than to declare them pro or semi-pro. The only other governing bodies that might do such are the IIHF, NCAA, or NHL. What a news article calls them is not all that relevant as they are just using the marketing that the league uses. -22:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

The problem with that argument is that the IHL itself is not affiliated with or governed by any of these organizations. The IHL has it's own board of directors that sets the structure of the league. I guess the only other edit I can think to do is to use the references that support that this is a mid level league and then list in the article that the league identifies itself as a AA league. (following the structure of the ECHL article) I think I have made clear through creditable references that the IHL is in fact a mid level league regardless of anyone's personal opinion to the contrary. The fact is IHL teams that are affiliated with low level leagues such as the SPHL or AAHL, have called up players from these leagues. The AHL has then called up 44 IHL players in the last two seasons to play in their league. Any reasonable person would then associate that the IHL is in fact an AA level league because it is clear that IHL players are two steps away from the NHL. Just like they are in the ECHL. The fact that there is no governing body doesn't matter for this purpose. Using this logic would be like arguing that the Statue of Liberty isn't 151 feet high because it hasn't been officially measured by the New York Department of Weights and Measures or there is no official monument measuring agency. I have a supplied independent references to support my edits. I disagree that the news article isn't a good reference. These references were not paid advertisements by the team or league. Like I said before how can the media know what level the league is if the league doesn't say so in the first place? Braddaman1 (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Terrific; upon what measurements do you rely to make this assertion? If we were to accept the premise that the AHL calling up 20-someodd IHL players a season as significant, then that your average AHL team makes more than that many callups from the ECHL a year would be far more so. Of course, WP:SYN requires that we draw no such conclusions.  We can only go with fact, and the fact remains that no letter-grading structure for hockey exists.  Your implied question is how do we figure out the letter grade of a hockey league without one?  The answer is surprisingly simple: we don't.   Ravenswing  08:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I think I clearly explained (and cited references) the measurements to justify this. The fact that the AHL has called up 44 players over the last 2 seasons is a fact. See here...http://www.ihl-hockey.com/transactions/callups/ What do I have to provide you to at least accept the fact that the IHL is in fact a mid-level league? The references I have listed clearly state this. If you want to call this league a low level league then do the proper editing and find the proper references. At one time The CHL or UHL may have been a low level league. The current IHL is a mid level league. I am also aware that more ECHL players are called up to the AHL. How does that fact make the ECHL with it's lower salary cap more high and mighty than the IHL? Braddaman1 (talk) 09:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it is also worth mentioning again that I think you are making your claims on a personal opinion about this league and not referenced facts. Braddaman1 (talk) 10:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The point is that there is no letter grade system set up for hockey leagues. There is a regulated letter system for baseball which is where you are getting your two steps away from the big league idea. However hockey does not work like that. Sure you can make an arguement that some players have been called up to the AHL from the league but many more have been called up from the ECHL which means the ECHL is a higher level league than the IHL. Some ECHL teams even have minor affiliates with IHL teams. How can an IHL team be on the same level of the ECHL if the ECHL uses some teams in the IHL as a farm team? The arguments you make actually work against saying the IHL is as good a league as you claim. Salary cap doesn't even enter into it. It just means that the league has agree to pay more for their players as a whole.-DJSasso (talk) 12:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * And, as far as references go, I came up with quite a few more supporting "low" level than "mid" level, and none of them league or team press releases, which was likewise the case two years ago. Once again, I urge you to read some of the policy and guideline links supplied to you.  Our task here at Wikipedia is not to believe something and then try to dig for anything that might support your pre-determined conclusion, only to flip your position - such as claiming that AHL teams calling up IHL players is significant until it was pointed out that many more ECHL players are called up - if new, inconvenient facts show up.  It's to post the facts, regardless as to whether we like the results.  You persist in claiming that there's a letter-grade system for minor league hockey, and that the hockey world views the IHL on a tier with the ECHL.  Provably, neither is the case, nor does wishful thinking make it so.    Ravenswing  14:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

References 1-5 are dead links and reference 6 is from a news story from 2000. How can this show the current direction of this league? Braddaman1 (talk) 09:50, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly is this "current direction" of the league you keep mentioning? ccwaters (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It would help if you paid attention, Braddaman. After your previous complaint about dead links, I recovered URLs from the Internet Archive for some and came up with several more; that was only three days ago, and since you took the trouble to revert the edit, I presumed you actually looked at it first.  Djsasso just reverted to the beginning of the dispute, which will change when the lock is removed.  That being said, the "current direction" you claim is unsourced (and probably unsourceable) supposition.  Wikipedia's job is not to be a cheerleader for the IHL in any attempt to upgrade its image.   Ravenswing  17:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining about the references when the lock is removed. Despite our not seeing eye to eye on this article, I do appreciate the help you have given to me. My goal is not to be a cheer leader for this league. I am just trying to improve this article and make it current. What I mean by the current direction of the league refers to the efforts the IHL is making to improve itself, it's players, and team owners. I keep finding references that refer to this league (and/or the players in it) as AA. Such as this one:   http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=461357 This is why I am opposed to this article referring to the IHL as a low level league. As I stated before, low level leagues are the SPHL, and MMHL. Braddaman1 (talk) 05:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

RGT I just read the edit you did on 10-04-09 18:15. Is this the version that will go back up once the page is unlocked? If this is the references you refer to 1-4 are from the UHL era. None of the references mentioned that this is a low level or class A league. Prior to this edit I listed references 1-5 that were from press releases. I now understand why they should not be used. Reference 6 was from a news paper article that identified this team as AA and is current. Why was this one removed? On 10-04 I added two more references that continue to support this. Is there a problem with these? I understand that they are not from a governing body for league classifications but the do support that this is a mid level league. Thanks. Braddaman1 (talk) 08:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The eventual article will not necessarily be my 10/04 edit; that's to be determined. As far as your two references, one doesn't mention "mid-level" at all and the second directly contradicts your premise.  To quote: "Mullen said he has been in contact with, and has had interest from teams at five different levels of hockey -- the AAA American Hockey League, the AA East Coast, International and Central hockey leagues and the junior United States Hockey League."  Plainly that suggests that the IHL is a lower level than the ECHL, which is pretty much what everyone other than you has been saying all along.    Ravenswing  09:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Back to the dead reference links (1-5) and number 6 is from 2000 when the IHL was the UHL. Braddaman1 (talk) 09:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Final article destination

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The result of the move request was: Page not moved, Waiting for merge to finalise  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

International Hockey League (2007–) → International Hockey League (2007–2010) —

 * The league is merging into Central Hockey League, and thus the Colonial/United/International(sic) Hockey League is done at least in regards to this article. What should the final article be named? ccwaters (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If the league is officially having announced its done then yeah just rename it. I don't think this is a controversial move. It should be named as you suggested above as the league ended this year if this is the case. -DJSasso (talk) 14:28, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My question is really that the league has had 3 names, which shall it be? My inclination would be to use the last name with the article being International Hockey League (2007–2010), but I thought others may have different ideas. And yes, both leagues had a press release http://ism3.infinityprosports.com/ismdata/2009062901/std-sitebuilder/sites/200901/www/en/news/index.html?article_id=894 We plan to play under the Central Hockey League, CHL, moniker ccwaters (talk) 14:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We have serperate pages for each incarnation do we not? So this one would be the one you list above. -DJSasso (talk) 15:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh actually it looks like we don't anymore. I could have sworn we did. I would name it the name they had the longest. That way you don't have to worry about the other international hockey leagues. So in this case the United Hockey League and then put prominantly in the lead the other two names it went by. In the first sentence. The reasoning behind this is both that it avoids disambiguation by brackets and it goes by the name it would have been the most notable for. It was only the IHL for 3 seasons which isn't really enough to make it notable with that name beyond the fact it was the UHL for 10 years. Many people I know still called it the UHL for example even though it had changed to the IHL a couple years ago. -DJSasso (talk) 15:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

 * My inclination is to hold off for now. This merger has been announced, but far from completed, and all we have so far is "we plan to play under the CHL name."  Plans can change.   Ravenswing  17:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hold off for now as well, the merger was announced but details are still in the works and articles are vague some CHL positioned articles indicate a full merger of the leagues under the CHL name, others indicate the two leagues will remain seperate but play an interleague schedule (such as baseball) and then the champion of each league will play for an overall champion. We'll know more details after the league meetings later this month. --Bhockey10 (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Wait until the merge actually happens. GoodDay (talk) 22:36, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page not moved   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 15:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

International Hockey League (2007–) → International Hockey League (2007–2010) —

The CHL/IHL merger looks like a done deal with the CHL announcing the new Conference Alignment and other important details. I think it is about time to make the move. --ilamb94 (talk) 23:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Oppose: The IHL's website doesn't seem to think so. The original press release in June had language like "We plan to play under the Central Hockey League, CHL, moniker, with the identity of the IHL being maintained through various aspects that will be announced in the near future" and "The 2010-2011 season will mark the 60th year of professional hockey for the International Hockey League, which was comprised last season of seven Midwestern teams in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois" (however much it pisses me off that they're claiming the original IHL's history as belonging to them).  Its most recent press release this past Thursday  has the following: "The Komets will continue to be a member of the International Hockey League and participate in the Central Hockey League under the CHL moniker in the Northern Conference. The circuit will consist of 13 CHL teams and five IHL teams for an 18-team coalition."  Another post-merger press release has "The IHL is still in discussions which would bring at least one additional team into the League for the 2010-2011 season" for language.  It may be doubletalk, but I wouldn't close down a league's article while the league claims to continue to be in operation.   Ravenswing  03:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now What a complete mess! (The UHL-IHL claiming original IHL history is upsetting to many hardcore hockey fans btw.) The IHL (press release from today you noted) and the Komets are pretty much the only ones still saying/acting like the IHL exists. Most of the other teams news feeds follow the CHL newsfeed and some like QC don't even have the IHL logo. If you took someone who doesn't follow hockey and asked what league they belong to- after a quick glance of the teams's sites the person would say CHL. Bhockey10 (talk) 04:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I see no rush. There is no reason we can't still wait till the beginning of the season for things to be a bit clearer. We don't need to jump on it immediately. -DJSasso (talk) 14:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Oppose, let's wait until those folks figure it out. GoodDay (talk) 15:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Comment, please explain to me in what way is the International Hockey League still in operation? Please remember that the only team that says that it is an coalition is the Fort Wayne Komets and they have opposed this merger. The CHL website lists all the old IFL teams and even has news from those teams on their news feed. --ilamb94 (talk) 01:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: Because the league claims it is. We're not in the business of imposing our own judgment on events.  We're in the business of reporting verifiable facts.  As long as the IHL continues to maintain an office, a website, periodic updates and a corporate existence, that's all she wrote.   Ravenswing  02:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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Part III
Finally it appears the IHL (2007-) is about as alive as the original IHL. There's not even an IHL website anymore. It all looks like the IHL merging into the CHL. In the previous discussion above, the only thing that kept us from moving the article to International Hockey League (2007–2010) was a few days into the discussion Ravenswing pointed out the IHL through its website still claims they are independent despite all of their teams playing in the CHL (contrasting teams' websites and CHL websites and info that all made it appear to be a merger). Now there's no website or any evidence the IHL still exists. Bhockey10 (talk) 06:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also looking at the CHL page the IHL logo(s) and links are now removed from the CHL website. Bhockey10 (talk) 06:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The old IHL website redirects to the CHL site now. I still don't think merging the pages is the way to go - among other things, it isn't our practice - but changing the name of this page is plainly a good idea.  Truth be told, the name should be changed back to United Hockey League, the name of the loop for most of its existence.   Ravenswing  07:27, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should merge pages just rename at the least to International Hockey League (2007–2010). Does Wikiproject ice hockey or wikipedia in general have any precedent for a situation like this: The league used the UHL for the longest amount of time the league existed, right? Bhockey10 (talk) 08:03, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we generally leave it named as what it was last...but since there were so many International Hockey League's it might be better to call it the United Hockey League to avoid the bracketed disambiguators. -DJSasso (talk) 11:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The team went by Colonial for six years, United for ten, International for three.   Ravenswing  17:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

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Oh for pity's sake.
DJSasso is entirely right, Oknazevad: you do not get to claim that your personal opinion overrides seven different reliable sources. Teams shift leagues all the time: no one claims that the ECHL is equal in talent level to the AHL just because, in recent years, a number of franchises have moved from one league to the other (and in some cases, back again). Players got called up from the UHL to the ECHL, not the other way around. For another, CITEOVERKILL is an essay, and a snarky "Someone needs to read it" edit summary is uncivil -- we don't need pissing matches over how many of the several hundred unofficial essays people have spent their time perusing. As it happens, I broadly agree with the essay, and I think the mania for inline citations has gone well overboard. Obviously, though, some demand that level of citation. This article happened to be one of those cases, and the very next time someone tries to strike that statement because the assertion rubs their amour propre the wrong way, they're all going back in there.   Ravenswing   01:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, DJ is right. Dbrodbeck (talk) 02:30, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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2006 Oklahoma gubernatorial election

The 2006 Oklahoma gubernatorial election was held on November 7, 2006. Incumbent Democratic Governor Brad Henry won re-election to a second term in a landslide, defeating Republican U.S. Representative Ernest Istook. Henry took 66.5% of the vote to Istook's 33.5% and swept all but three counties in the state.

, this remains the last time that a Democrat was elected Governor of Oklahoma, or along with the concurrent elections, won any statewide office. Republicans later swept all statewide executive offices on the 2010 ballot, as they did majorities in both state legislative chambers.

Background
Though Democrats had dominated state politics for most of Oklahoma's history, the Oklahoma Republican Party had recently gained control of the Oklahoma House of Representatives and held five of the state's six Congressional seats. Henry's opponent, Republican Ernest Istook, was a member of the United States House of Representatives, representing Oklahoma's 5th congressional district.

As in many Southern states, Oklahoma has favored conservative Democrats to the more liberal members of the party. In his first term, Henry had supported some tax cuts and took centrist positions on many political hot button issues.

Candidates

 * Brad Henry, incumbent Governor of Oklahoma
 * Andrew W. Marr, Jr.

Candidates

 * Ernest Istook, U.S. Congressman
 * Bob Sullivan, former Oklahoma Secretary of Energy
 * James A. Williamson, Oklahoma State Senator
 * Jim Evanoff

Campaign
Istook's strongest opponent in the primary was Bob Sullivan, who positioned himself as the only "non-career politician" in the race. He ran ads featuring Gailard Sartain that attacked his opponents' "career politician" background. The Sartain ads were seen as over the top and may have hurt his chances. Sullivan said education was a top priority and had led an effort to place an initiative petition on the November 2006 ballot that would have required 65 percent of money earmarked for education be spent in the classroom.

Results
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General election
The incumbent Democratic Governor Brad Henry won the election with more than 66 percent of the vote, beating Republican U.S. Representative Ernest Istook.

Counties that flipped from Republican to Democratic

 * Roger Mills (Largest city: Cheyenne)
 * Custer (Largest city: Weatherford)
 * Dewey (Largest city: Seiling)
 * Woodward (Largest city: Woodward)
 * Alfalfa (Largest city: Helena)
 * Cleveland (Largest city: Norman)
 * Ellis (Largest city: Shattuck)
 * Harper (Largest city: Laverne)
 * Grant (Largest city: Medford)
 * Canadian (Largest city: Yukon)
 * Oklahoma (Largest city: Oklahoma City)
 * McClain (Largest city: Newcastle)
 * Major (Largest city: Fairview)
 * Kay (Largest city: Ponca City)
 * Tulsa (Largest city: Tulsa)
 * Wagoner (Largest city: Coewta)
 * Washington (Largest city: Bartlesville)
 * Jackson (Largest city: Altus)
 * Stephens (Largest city: Duncan)
 * Comanche (Largest city: Lawton)
 * Kingfisher (Largest city: Kingfisher)
 * Logan (Largest city: Guthrie)
 * Noble (Largest city: Perry)
 * Garfield (Largest city: Enid)

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Alfredo Antoniozzi

Alfredo Antoniozzi (born 18 March 1956 in Cosenza) is an Italian politician and was a Member of the European Parliament for Central with the Forza Italia, part of the European People's Party and sat on the European Parliament's Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs.

He was a substitute for the Committee on Regional Development, a member of the Delegation for relations with the countries of Central America and a substitute for the Delegation to the EU-Mexico Joint Parliamentary Committee.

Education

 * 1980: Graduate in law
 * 1981: started legal practice
 * Coordinator of Forza Italia for the Provincial Council of Rome
 * Rome City Council
 * Lazio Region
 * Re-elected member of the Regional Council in 1995 and in 2000 for Forza Italia

Career

 * 1995-1999: Member of the Bureau
 * 2004: Group leader of Forza Italia until July
 * Member of the Bureau of Forza Italia
 * Forza Italia Coordinator for the Province of Rome

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Midtown Plaza

Midtown Plaza may refer to:

 * Midtown Plaza (Rochester), a defunct shopping mall in Rochester, New York, United States
 * Midtown Plaza (Saskatoon), a shopping mall in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
 * Johnston Building (Charlotte, North Carolina), also known as the Midtown Plaza

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Red meat

In gastronomy, red meat is commonly red when raw (and a dark color after it is cooked), in contrast to white meat, which is pale in color before (and after) cooking. In culinary terms, only flesh from mammals or fowl (not fish) is classified as red or white. In nutritional science, red meat is defined as any meat that has more of the protein myoglobin than white meat. White meat is defined as non-dark meat from fish or chicken (excluding the leg or thigh, which is called dark meat).

Regular consumption of red meat, both unprocessed and especially processed types, has been associated with negative health outcomes.

Definition

Under the culinary definition, the meat from adult or "gamey" mammals (for example, beef, horse, mutton, venison, boar, hare) is red meat, while that from young mammals (rabbit, veal, lamb) is white although sometimes rabbit meat is considered red meat. Poultry is white, excluding certain birds such as ostriches. Most cuts of pork are red, others are white. Game is sometimes put in a separate category altogether. (French: viandes noires — "dark meats".) Some meats (lamb, pork) are classified differently by different writers.

According to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), all meats obtained from mammals (regardless of cut or age) are red meats because they contain more myoglobin, which gives them their red color, than fish or white meat (but not necessarily dark meat) from chicken. Some cuts of pork are considered white under the culinary definition, but all pork is considered red meat in nutritional studies. The National Pork Board has positioned it as "the other white meat", profiting from the ambiguity to suggest that pork has the nutritional properties of white meat, which is considered more healthful.

Nutrition
Red meat contains large amounts of iron, creatine, minerals such as zinc and phosphorus, and B-vitamins: (niacin, vitamin B12, thiamin and riboflavin). Red meat is a source of lipoic acid.

Red meat contains small amounts of vitamin D. Offal such as liver contains much higher quantities than other parts of the animal.

In 2011, the USDA launched MyPlate, which did not distinguish between kinds of meat, but did recommend eating at least 8 oz of fish each week. In 2011, the Harvard School of Public Health launched the Healthy Eating Plate in part because of the perceived inadequacies of the USDA's recommendations. The Healthy Eating Plate encourages consumers to avoid processed meat and limit red meat consumption to twice a week because of links to heart disease, diabetes, and colon cancer. To replace these meats it recommends consuming fish, poultry, beans, or nuts.

Health effects
Overall, diets high in red and processed meats are associated with an increased risk of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer (particularly colorectal cancer), and all-cause mortality. These associations are strongest for processed meat, which is meat that has undergone salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes to enhance flavor or improve preservation, such as bacon, ham, salami, pepperoni, hot dogs, and some sausages.

A 2021 umbrella review reported an increase of 11–51% risk of multiple cancer per 100g/d increment of red meat, and an increase of 8-72% risk of multiple cancer per 50g/d increment of processed meat.

A 2022 study challenged the dose-response relationship using a newly developed burden of proof risk function (BPRF). It found weak evidence available regarding whether eating red meat increases the risk of death. The authors conclude that the quality of the available evidence is insufficient to make stronger or more conclusive recommendations regarding the health effects of eating red meat. However, the BPRF approach has been criticised for being overly simplistic.

Cancer
The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) of the World Health Organization (WHO) classifies processed meat as carcinogenic to humans (Group 1), based on "sufficient evidence in humans that the consumption of processed meat causes colorectal cancer." Unprocessed red meat is categorised as "probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A), based on limited evidence that the consumption of red meat causes cancer in humans and strong mechanistic evidence supporting a carcinogenic effect." Positive associations have also been observed between red meat consumption and increased risks of pancreatic cancer and prostate cancer but the link is not as clear. The American Cancer Society have stated "evidence that red and processed meats increase cancer risk has existed for decades, and many health organizations recommend limiting or avoiding these foods."

The American Institute for Cancer Research, Cancer Research UK and World Cancer Research Fund International have stated there is strong evidence that consumption of processed red meat is a cause of colorectal cancer and there is probable evidence that unprocessed red meat is a cause of cancer. Put in perspective in the UK, adults eating processed and red meat at 79g per day on average had a 32% increased risk of colorectal cancer compared to those eating less than 11g per day.

A 2023 review found that high consumption of red meat is associated with increased risk of gastrointestinal cancer.

Mechanisms
Heme iron in red meat has been associated with increased colorectal cancer risk. The American Institute for Cancer Research and World Cancer Research Fund have commented that "haem iron, which is present at high levels in red meat, has been shown to promote colorectal tumorigenesis by stimulating the endogenous formation of carcinogenic N-nitroso compound."

A 2017 literature review indicated there are numerous potential carcinogens of colorectal tissue in red meat, particularly those in processed red meat products, such as N-nitroso compounds, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), and heterocyclic amines (HCAs). Cooking meat with "high-temperature methods, such as pan frying or grilling directly over an open flame", also causes formation of PAHs and HCAs.

Cardiovascular disease and stroke
Red meat consumption is associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease, high blood pressure and stroke. Factors associated with increased stroke risk from consuming red meat include saturated fats that increase levels of blood cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides, and heme iron, which may precipitate atherogenesis in cerebral arteries, leading to stroke.

In 2020, the National Heart Foundation of New Zealand Expert Nutrition Policy (ENP) issued a position statement that concluded that high consumption of red meat increases risk of heart disease and stroke by 16% therefore one should aim to reduce consumption of red meat below 350g per week and replace meat with plant sources of protein.

Diabetes
A 2022 umbrella review found that consuming an additional 100g of red meat per day was associated with a 17% increased risk of diabetes. Another review found that red meat consumption is associated with an increased risk of diabetes.

A 2017 review found that daily consumption of 85 grams of red meat and 35 grams of processed red meat products by European and American consumers increased their risk of type 2 diabetes by 18–36%, while a diet of abstinence of red meat consuming whole grains, vegetables, fruits, and dairy was associated with an 81% reduced risk of diabetes. One study estimated that "substitutions of one serving of nuts, low-fat dairy, and whole grains per day for one serving of red meat per day were associated with a 16–35% lower risk of type 2 diabetes".

A 2023 review found that both processed and unprocessed red meat consumption increase type 2 diabetes risk.

The European Association for the Study of Diabetes recommends that diabetics minimise the consumption of red meat.

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