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Fat (song)

"Fat" is a song by "Weird Al" Yankovic. It is a parody of "Bad" by Michael Jackson and is Yankovic's second parody of a Jackson song, the first being "Eat It", a parody of Jackson's "Beat It". "Fat" is the first song on Yankovic's Even Worse album.

The video won a Grammy Award for Best Concept Music Video in 1988.

Background
Yankovic was inspired to create "Fat" while watching the "Bad" music video, when he had an epiphany that a parody of that song titled "Fat" would be a good sequel to "Eat It" (a previous Weird Al Michael Jackson parody). While watching the "Bad" video, he imagined an obese version of himself trying to get through the turnstiles on a subway, and resolved that he would do it.

Concert version
When performing in concert, Yankovic wears a costume that makes his body appear pudgy, along with a mask that makes his face look fat. Due to undergoing laser vision correction surgery, he no longer needs to wear glasses, though he wears glasses with non-prescription plastic lenses in order to help hold on the mask.

Yankovic elected not to perform the song or his other Jackson parody, "Eat It", during the Strings Attached Tour in the wake of the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland, in which two men claimed Jackson had sexually abused them when they were children. "I don't know if that's going to be permanent or not," Yankovic said of the decision. "But we just felt that with what's happened recently with the HBO documentaries, we didn't want anybody to feel uncomfortable."

Track listing

 * 1) "Fat" – 3:36
 * 2) "You Make Me" – 3:04

Music video
Directed by Jay Levey, the video for "Fat" parodies various elements of the "Bad" video by Jackson; Yankovic was able to get permission from Michael Jackson to use the same subway set from "Bad" for the video, which had yet to be struck in Culver City. Jackson had built an exact replica of the original set for the movie Moonwalker to be used in the segment called "Badder", and before striking it, he offered to allow Yankovic to use it.

The fat suit was created by Camilla Henneman. The circumference of the suit was 111 in. The makeup was created by Kevin Yagher, who later worked with Yankovic on the film UHF. Latex bladders were glued to Yankovic's face, along with similar air pockets through his clothes.

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Redwood River

The Redwood River is a tributary of the Minnesota River, 127 mi long, in southwestern Minnesota in the United States. Via the Minnesota River, it is part of the watershed of the Mississippi River, draining an area of 705 mi2 in an agricultural region. The river's name is believed to refer to the reddish bark of dogwood growing along streams in the region.

Course
The headwaters of the Redwood River are in Aetna Township in northeastern Pipestone County, approximately 4 mi west of Ruthton, on the Coteau des Prairies, a morainic plateau dividing the Mississippi and Missouri River watersheds. It flows initially eastwardly as an intermittent stream, through Ruthton and into northwestern Murray County, then northwardly into Lyon County, where it turns northeastward and flows through Russell, Lynd, and Marshall. Between Russell and Marshall, the river flows off the Coteau in a wooded valley, dropping 300 ft in 15 mi; Camden State Park is located along this stretch of the river.

Downstream of Marshall, the Redwood flows through a flat till plain and turns eastward into Redwood County, passing Vesta and Seaforth; sections of the river in this stretch have been straightened to form agricultural ditches. In Redwood Falls, the county seat of Redwood County, the river enters the wooded valley of the Minnesota River, falling 100 ft in 1 mi over granite ledges in Alexander Ramsey City Park. It flows into the Minnesota shortly downstream of the city.

A dam forming Redwood Lake in Redwood Falls was formerly used for hydroelectricity generation. It is presently maintained to preserve the lake for recreational use.

Principal tributaries of the Redwood River include Coon Creek, 37 mi long, which flows from Lake Benton in Lincoln County westwardly to Russell in Lyon County; Three Mile Creek, 50 mi long, which rises in Lincoln County and flows northeastwardly and southeastwardly through Lyon County, joining the Redwood downstream of Marshall; and Ramsey Creek, 10 mi long, which flows over a waterfall in Ramsey City Park in Redwood Falls.

Approximately 82% of the land in the Redwood River watershed is used for agriculture, primarily for the cultivation of corn and soybeans. Hundreds of miles of streams in the watershed have been converted to agricultural ditches, disrupting habitat and reducing the ability of the land to absorb flooding.

Flow rate
At the United States Geological Survey's stream gauge near Redwood Falls, 8.5 mi upstream from the river's mouth, the annual mean flow of the river between 1909 and 2005 was 153 cubic feet per second (4 m³/s). The highest recorded flow during the period was 19,700 ft³/s (558 m³/s) on June 18, 1957. Readings of zero were recorded on numerous days in 1940 and 1959.

At an upstream gauge near Marshall, the annual mean flow between 1940 and 2005 was 69.5 ft³/s (2 m³/s). The highest recorded flow during the period was 6,380 ft³/s (181 m³/s) on May 9, 1993. Readings of zero were recorded on numerous days during several years.

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Tell Your Children

Tell Your Children is a 1922 British drama film directed by Donald Crisp. Alfred Hitchcock is credited as a title designer. It was the first film in which later Carry On actor Charles Hawtrey was to appear – he was aged eight at the time. The film is now lost.

Cast

 * Doris Eaton as Rosny Edwards
 * Walter Tennyson as John Haslar
 * Margaret Halstan as Lady Sybil Edwards
 * Warwick Ward as Lord Belhurst
 * Adeline Hayden Coffin as Nanny Dyson
 * Gertrude McCoy as Maudie
 * Mary Rorke as Susan Hasler
 * A. Harding Steerman as Vicar
 * Cecil Morton York as Reuben Haslar
 * Charles Hawtrey

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Reflexive modernization

The concept of reflexive modernization or reflexive modernity was launched by a joint effort of three of the leading European sociologists: Anthony Giddens, Ulrich Beck and Scott Lash. The introduction of this concept served a double purpose: to reassess sociology as a science of the present (moving beyond the early-20th-century conceptual framework), and to provide a counterbalance to the postmodernist paradigm offering a re-constructive view alongside deconstruction.

The concept built upon previous notions such as post-industrial society (Daniel Bell) and postmaterial society, but stresses how in reflexive modernization, modernity directs its attention to the process of modernization itself.

Completion of modernity
The main thesis deals with the changes brought on by the realization of modernity's ideals, such as universal suffrage and education, the welfare state, civil and political rights, changes that marked the shift to the second modernity. The authors consider it a reflexive modernity because it opposes its earlier version, in the same way as the first modernity opposed feudal traditionalism. As a consequence, the institutions of the first modernity are beginning to crumble in the face of economic and cultural globalization. The state is starting to lose its importance with the rise of transnational forces (corporations, NGOs), the family is splitting apart with rising divorce rates favoured by the flexibility of work and the women's liberation, losing its supportive function in the process, religion is reduced to a cultural artifact, traditional political action is boycotted because of a lack of identification with the parties' goals. Therefore all previous sources of solidarity lose momentum with the rise of individualization.

Consequences
Ulrich Beck focuses on the dissolution of traditional institutions and the rise of transnational forces, while promoting a new type solidarity in the face of the human made dangers of the risk society, exacerbated by the inherent limits being discovered to all forms of social knowing. Anthony Giddens proposes a third way of social policies aimed at tackling the new challenges to identity and life choices created by the biographical risks and uncertainties of reflexive modernity. Zygmunt Bauman talks about the social effects of globalization, as it seems to create new divisions between the people connected to the global flux of information (the "tourists") and those excluded from them, not needed as workforce anymore (the "bums").

Ronald Inglehart studies the shift of human values from material to post-material in the Western societies by analysing the World Values Survey databases; and Pippa Norris stresses the importance of cultural globalization over economical globalization, while also talking about the new divisions, such as the digital divide.

Characteristics
Reflexive modernization is a process of modernization that is characteristic of risk society whereby progress is achieved through reorganization and "reform". Science and technology as it is used for the purpose of reflexive modernization is less concerned with expanding the resource base, but rather with re-evaluating that which is already being used by society. There is a constant flow of information between science and industry, and progress is achieved through the resulting reforms, optimizations and adaptations. Examples of reflexive modernization that have recently gained political momentum are sustainability and the precautionary principle. The new social movements (feminist, green, and pirate parties) are also considered to be an expression of reflexive modernization.

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Talk:Antônio Vilas-Boas

Credibility?
I'm concerned about this article's credibility. It's pretty far from NPOV, and leaves the reader with the impression that Boas might actually have been abducted by aliens... despite the fact that there's no evidence of it ever happening; essentially, as far as I can tell, he's just a guy with a story who became somewhat famous because he happened to tell his story at a time when such stories weren't very common. Admittedly, the article does use the word "alleged" quite a bit, but it seems like lip service instead of any admission that Boas might have been deluded, hallucinating or simply lying.

I quote the following bits as examples:

"Unusually for cases of alleged alien abduction, Boas was able to recall every detail of his experience without the need for hypnotic regression." That's great, but I don't see how that's relevant. I get the feeling that this sentence implies that Boas' story is somehow particularly credible, when essentially you might as well say "Unusually for cases of alleged alien abudction, Boas told a made-up story without the need for hypnotic regression".

"The great majority of UFO researchers have declared Boas' story to be genuine[.]" I suppose this may be the case, but I'd love to see some kind of a reference on that. Furthermore, that doesn't really mean anything either, as it's more than a little likely that most UFO researchers are not serious scientists and/or objective observers. Again, this doesn't lend any real credibility to Boas' claim, but phrasing it like that does give the impression that Boas' story is credible. While the rest of the paragraph does add the "however, no definite answer either way can be given, due to the lack of concrete evidence and the fact that the main body of evidence for this case is one man's story" disclaimer, it still implies that Boas could very well be telling the truth and that, indeed, he has not been proven wrong. Yet all we have is a man who tells an outlandish story that he cannot back up with any kind of proof.

The only bit of concrete evidence offered in this article is the case of alleged radiation burn, apparently confirmed by a doctor, but a quick Google search didn't really yield any even remotely credible information about that (all I got was (an admittedly entertaining) collection of articles by people who believe that UFO abductions are happening left and right; I was unable to find anything that would qualify as NPOV). Also, all of the external links in the article point to "believer" sites that are notably lacking in any degree of objectivity and the kind of verifiability usually expected of scientific research - I don't think an article titled Alien Babes in UFOs quite qualifies...

Now, I'm not really at all familiar with the Boas case, and my research on the net wasn't at all fruitful, so I'm hesitant to start editing this. That said, I'd be surprised if no one anywhere had ever conducted any kind of credible, well-documented research on Boas, considering that he was pretty famous for a while. Right now the article gives the impression that there is a decent possibility Boas was not, in fact, making it up, even though there is no evidence that Boas was abducted by anyone (let alone aliens), or, indeed, to the best of my knowledge, no credible evidence that anyone anywhere has ever been abducted by extraterrestial beings. Nothing in the article implies that there might be any serious dispute about Boas' credibility; the closest we get is the admission that Boas has no concrete evidene, but even that is softened by the final statement that no one can definitely say that Boas was not abducted either.

All this strikes me as pretty far removed from NPOV. -- Captain Disdain 01:42, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't read the earlier article, but from what you say it was rather POV. Yet, the radiation burns are cited in the source literature, and I haven't seen a rebuttal of them in any source. There indeed appears to be an unexplained or incompletely explained element here. Alexander 007 02:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, it still is rather POV; no one has really edited the content of the article since I added the POV banner. It's possible that there really were radiation burns (like I said, I was unable to find credible articles on the subject through Google, though I did find a bunch that questioned Dr. Olavo Fontes' credibility), but even if he had them, they would only be evidence of exposure to radiation. If there's no concrete proof of an abduction by aliens -- and there isn't -- all Boas has is a good story. (Yet a "great majority" of UFO researchers have proclaimed that Boas' story is true. What's that based on? There are no witnesses and no evidence. Yeah, there are those radiation burns, but they certainly don't prove that Boas porked an alien.)
 * None of this is really our problem, unless the story's treated as fact in an encyclopedia article, and I'd say it pretty much is. Now, this article goes out of its way to point out that no one can conclusively prove that Boas really wasn't abducted (instead of describing the details of Boas' story and the following events in a neutral manner) -- hell, no one can conclusively prove that I haven't been abducted twice during the time it took me to write this reply, either, but that doesn't make such a claim any more credible. It just obfuscates the actual issue. It's just disingenuous.
 * I've been avoiding touching this article because I'm not really all that familiar with the subject, but I suppose if I want to see it improved, I'm gonna have to do it myself, since no one claiming to be better informed has stepped up... I really wish I could find a credible, well-documented source for information here, since most of the stuff I can look up is either too vague, obviously biased or just a retelling of anecdotes and whatnot, which is inherently POV. -- Captain Disdain 21:03, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I've also avoided cleaning it up, because the best references that I've read on this subject are at the library, while the ones I have are not as complete (I don't stock up on UFOlogy books generally, but have a few). I haven't studied this case since like three years ago, but I remember some of the details, etc.

 * And I admit I didn't read this Wikipedia article at all, I just glanced at it, recognized the case, saw the NPOV dispute, then read some of this talk page. I'll read the Wikipedia article soon and see what should be fixed.

 * I found one of my own books that discuss the case. It confirmed that Villas Boas had (according to the doctor, etc.) shown symptoms of radiation poisoning over the months after his alleged encounter. He also had a "hypochromatic lesion" on his chin where blood was allegedly drawn by the aliens, and the skin there was thinner & smoother. The Brazilian military intelligence interviewed him soon afterwards, according to my source, and they apparently judged that he had gone through some sort of actual experience.

 * Okay, read the article. It may be slightly POV, but its facts are taken from the source literature, not just from crank websites. Some changes need to be done, some tweaks here & there & some more detail. And more references. Alexander 007 02:31, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I'm glad we're making progress here. I would be interested to hear the name of the book you have on the subject. Also -- I feel I should stress this -- I would like to point out that just because something is taken from source literature doesn't necessarily mean that it's NPOV (or true, for that matter). I mean, if the article is to state or imply that Boas' story is anything more than a story, that's going to have to be something that needs to be backed up with pretty damn solid references, since he makes some fairly outlandish claims. If we can't find any such evidence, then the article should explain that this is the famous abduction story that Boas told, and that even though many people interested in the topic believe it, there's absolutely no evidence that he was taken into a flying saucer and forced to have sex with a female alien. -- Captain Disdain 00:28, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, of course. What I wanted to emphasize is that the info in the article is taken from the source literature on the topic (in other words, it wasn't made up by the Wikipedia contributor and it wasn't taken solely from trash websites). Now, there is still the problem of the POV he/she wrote it in, and there will always be the problem of determining the reliability of the data, even from the primary sources. Alexander 007 21:52, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, good. Looks like we're on the same page here. =) -- Captain Disdain 11:33, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Made some changes
Amazingly enough, the article didn't fix itself after about six months or so, so I went ahead and injected some NPOV by simply removing or toning down some of the more outrageous claims, working with the phrasing and throwing a couple of instances of in there. I still wish someone who was actually familiar with the subject could work on this one... -- Captain Disdain 02:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The people most likely to be "familiar with the subject" are also most likely to be crackpots, and their sources are likely to be disreputable. Not to put too fine a point on it, the "incident" isn't merely implausible, not merely "outlandish". No, as related by the protagonist, it's patently absurd. If visits to earth from extra-terrestrial aliens occur, I can say with impunity that they don't occur like this. TheScotch (talk) 03:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

He should not be called "Boas"
Villas Boas is ONE name with two words; so he should not be called "Boas", but Villas Boas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcelorvb (talk • contribs) 12:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. "Villas Boas" (variants: Vilas-Boas, Villas-Boas, Vilas-Bôas, Villasboas etc.) is one of several compound surnames in the Portuguese language. Like Castelo Branco (also Castelbranco, Castelo-Branco), Santa Rita (also Santarrita) and others. By the way, the surname means "Good Villages" and evokes a region in Portugal that was taken from Spain during one of the earliest mediaeval struggles for Portuguese independence (that is, this is a surname with a noble origin!). 189.13.13.10 (talk) 01:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Grammar
Isn't it "Boas's story" since Boas is his name? You don't exclude the "s" in names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.174.235.245 (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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This article needs to be re-evaluated as early as possible. Here's why
.ما تالله ,إِلَى هُنَا

Heigh, ye dear Wikipedians!

The researcher ta'en mention at the end of English's Wikipedia article, claimed that Boas' abduction allegation was inspired by an article published by Brazilian newspaper O Cruzeiro, regarding Adamski's famed abduction case, quite briefly. However, one should remark, the newspaper's article was released in November, 1957, as displayed by French Wikipedia article in a footnote about (indeed, one really ought to be screwed up, being poor victim, from such $keptic's Sagetrieb!), and Boas' documented abduction had befallen in October, 1957. (Thou behold'st; O Cruzeiro's article was released one month later!)

Wherefore, his conclusions, as we have ascertained, are unreliable and woebegonely wrong!

In the Portuguese version of this issue, it is also ta'en into account a reported Serbian CIA agent who informed an investigator (as 'a eyely alleged), about the Operation Mirage, plotted by the intelligence agency, on Brazil's ground, to hallucinate lede (and by and large rabble, why not?) envisanging faux abductions' allegations thereafter. First of all, in order to pinpoint and make sure of the accuracy thereof, we must have, by any sort of investigative demand, another sources to corroborate and be in line with such allegation, including other people who partaked of such off-the-wall covert operation and also victimed of. Is there one? Secondly, are there some CIA documents, journalistic and scholarly intelligence's news and report(s), other books about CIA (and eke related to), addressing on this set of events, affirming uncontroversially such stuff? As far as the author tells us, pretty etically (and 'a contrives as well), there is no other source, acessory background, whistleblowing or any investigation holding these claims up. Regarding as a whole, these assertions are also totally flawed and cannot be believed whatsoe'er.

Notwithstanding, as everything hitherto remaining controversial (pardon des paroles, c'est mon avis, съеби́сь вы разоблачения!, promoters of "clear-cut" explanations; id est, sophistry!), I shall attend to, while I have recked the situation stoop and roop, further discussions on this same subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IAMTHESAVIOROFMANKIND (talk • contribs) 02:36, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So here we have, apparently, input from an actual extraterrestrial alien on the matter. TheScotch (talk) 00:50, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

By the way, in the earth language known as "English", the archaic term "wherefore" doesn't mean "therefore"; it means "why". TheScotch (talk) 18:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Belaboring the obvious
1. The science of astronomy tells us that interstellar distances are vast, and the science of physics tells us that the speed of light is an absolute limiting factor (various tenuous and highly speculative and otherwise problemetical work-arounds have been proposed, but I'm referring to the state of current determined knowledge). This necessarily makes regular visits to earth from advanced exterrestrial species highly unlikely.

2. The science of evolutionary biology tells us that the chance of exterrestrial species completely independently developing closely humanoid characteristics, so closely that the protagonist in the story finds himself intensely sexually attracted to a female specimen, is vanishingly small.

3. The science of biology tells us that the chance of humans being able to interbreed with an independent autonomous extraterrestrial species is so small as to be essentially non-existent.

Is it POV then for editors to approach the story detailed in this article as if it were a work of fantasy fiction? (I qualify "fiction" with "fantasy" because non-fantasy fiction describes events that didn't happen but conceivably could happen). We have to draw a line somewhere, don't we? TheScotch (talk) 02:08, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:Astrowob/Archive 1

This user seems incredibly arrogant and seems to enjoy selectively editing and vandalizing my article on Jean-Marc Fournier. He is an audacious prick, so please avoid him if at all possible. --24.200.155.103 02:46, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well vandalism is vandalism, but I must admit you corrected your work in Fournier's page. --Astrowob 04:34, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You seem to be incredibly dense, going so far as to carry my IP to the vandalism page. The last act of a desperate man. You are one notch shy of pathetic. I look forward to seeing what you manage to do to push yourself over the edge. --24.200.155.103 04:32, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey astro, there were many interesting facts that 69.157.68.19 put up(on 24 march...etc) would you mind putting it back? --202.156.2.170 05:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Do you mind being more clear? except for reverting the cutting of the end of the text you did I did not change 69.157.68.19's changes... and please sign your messages --Astrowob 05:38, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Whats wrong with you?whgat wrong have i done except to delete some common (which doesnt change the text and to insert the time of death of the pope.YOu blocked me.you are clearly abusing your authority. the only thing i asked you to do was to help to edit the page cause it was incomplete .now what have i got in return for some supposedly "vadalism by me" --202.156.2.170 05:57, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) now that you have blocked me how can i post and my username also gets block .i respect admin as the authority but please do not abuse your authority by blocking people for "vandalism "which they have not committed/.

and to repeat summarise what i had said earlier, I DID NOT delete text from the passage except deleting some commas to insert the time of death of the holy father. and i get blocked --202.156.2.170 06:00, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

somehow my account got unblocked.thanks to whoever you are astro in case you misunderstood, i did not delete text in the page. what i saw was incomplete text which i asked for a completion of it by you.and what i did was just deleting commas to put relevent text.wikipedia is indeed driving me nuts... --Sghan 06:14, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)take care

Just to make it VERY clear, I am NOT an admin and therefore did not block anyone at anytime, i'm sorry for you if you think you have been blocked without a good reason, but it is clearly NOT my doing. If you change a text in the future insure that what you do does not do drastic changes to the original text and I am sure the REAL admin won't block you again. --Astrowob 15:35, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Image:DS9DVD1-7.jpg
I put Image:DS9DVD1-7.jpg up for deletion since I found a larger image (also from amazon...not sure how you didn't stuble across it) and made the name less cryptic. Cburnett 03:33, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * I just wanted to save disk space, my actual image is yours but reduced in Photoshop to your specified 280px which I find esthetically pleasing after all, good team work (thanks for doing TNG) --Astrowob 03:35, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Disk space is pretty much a non-issue from what I read. It's primarily the processing and memory (most of the pages are cached in memory) that are in short supply. Though I try to keep things reasonable, 35 KB vs. 15 KB isn't worth fretting over.  Cburnett 03:37, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok weel if the bigger image looks better I see no problem putting it then (I would just worry about the loading time for slow modems). I did TOS, but with a 280px since I had alredy made the image, but there is also the full picture in backup if you prefer. Have a look : List of Star Trek: TOS episodes--Astrowob 03:48, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, having two images (one original and one scaled) means you're taking up more space than if you just had the original. :) Also, if you scale an image down (ala [[Image:TOSDVD1-3.jpg|280px]] then the user only downloads a scaled version (it's not the full image scaled in your browser....it's an actual scaled image.  It's really, um, pointless to scale down images (unless they're amazingly huge) since WP automagically keeps cached the smaller, auto-generated images. Cburnett 03:54, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok thanks, I didn't know that, used to be a webmaster and to worry about my page being more than 30kb (in the 90s) cheers ;) --Astrowob 03:59, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Quebec
If you are interested in more Quebec-related collaboration, there is a Quebec wikipedians notice board and a Quebec collaboration of the week. Circeus 19:18, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

papal infobox
why did you change the infobox for popes without agreement? The one in place was widely liked. The one you replaced it with is dreadful? Fear ÉIREANN 21:31, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Could you indicate what change you say I did? I did put some infoboxes on may popes page, but I only put the Template:Infobox pope that was disponible at the time I put them. I DID NOT alter the Template:Infobox pope at ANY TIME therefore if someone wanted to make changes to it all the popes page would change (except the first few I did which were with the complete code of the infobox instead of the template following what had been done on other pages). So, before accusing me of anything like this could you at least accuse with a good description of what you are accusing me? --Astrowob 14:31, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * My humbliest apologies, Astro. I have having technical difficulty accessing some pages. In the absence of access to here I presumed that a superior box was being replaced by a new inferior template. Once I stopped getting the error messages (God I hate wikipedia error messages!) I saw that I was wrong. I intended to withdraw my comments but forgot. It was only when I was lying in bed that I realised I had not paid my planned visit back to your page. My sincere apologies, Fear ÉIREANN  19:26, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

FYI - I really liked the new Pope Infobox so I have proposed that it be used for all religious leades on Infobox policy. There have been no objections so far (since Friday). If that continues I plan on helping to update the articles for the new Infobox. If you have comments, concerns please discuss there Trödel| talk 17:37, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cburnett's admin nomination
I was nominated for administrator and I'd like to hear your opinion at Requests for adminship/Cburnett. Cburnett 07:26, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Citation form

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The concept of citation form described in the article may be found in contexts like speech analysis and the teaching of English, but it's not its usual sense in linguistics and lexicography (which is synonymous with headword or lemma). This other sense can be found for example in this article ("The citation form for nouns (the one normally shown in Latin dictionaries)") and this article ("The Citation form shown is the form most commonly shown in dictionaries"), defined in this online dictionary ("The form of a word that heads a lexical entry and is alphabetized in a dictionary") and described in this pdf ("''A lexical item is an abstract unit, and it must always appear in one or another of its various forms. Therefore, we are obliged to choose one of those forms to represent the lexical item when we want to talk about it. The form we choose is called the “citation form” of the lexical item. The citation form (or dictionary form) of a lexical item is the particular grammatical form of it which we use in naming it, talking about it, and entering it in a dictionary''"). Uaxuctum 01:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The term I've usually heard for a word pronounced in isolation is isolation form rather than citation form. I only know citation form in the lexicographical sense (the citation form of a Latin verb is the first person singular present active indicative; the citation form of a German verb is the infinitive; the citation form of an Irish verb is the second person singular imperative). --Angr/undefined 20:26, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Deletion proposal
@Music Sorter I am confused by the proposal for deletion, and have removed the tag. I know very little about linguistics, and was looking up "citation form". Without the disambiguation page I would not have known that the page I wanted was Lemma (morphology) and not Weak form and strong form, both of which list "citation form" as a name for the concept. Perhaps the DAB would be better served as a hatnote, or if the two articles are really about similar enough things then there should be a merge or other restructuring of the articles instead. I unfortunately do not know enough about the subject to go ahead on this. See also the previous discussion. Belegdal (talk) 21:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Belegdal, thanks for being bold enough to remove the deletion tag. Although we still have an issue with the page. Currently it is not a properly formatted DAB per WP:DAB. Also the term citation form is defined in Wiktionary under citation form so I was originally debating the utility of this entry as non-encyclopedic. In the mean time I will reclassify this page as a stub article so we can keep all the different links (not permitted on DAB articles). Maybe someone wants to make the relevant changes to the Wiktionary page to include this information and then it can be removed at that time. § Music Sorter §  (talk) 04:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Perry So

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 00:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Perry So
This was listed on speedy deletion, he is conductor, not vastly famous, I brought it here to let the community decide if he's worth including --nixie 01:44, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. Megan1967 08:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, NN. Seems to be a legitimate faculty member at Yale, but that's not enough for encyclopedia inclusion. —Wahoofive | Talk 16:53, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Weird number

Density
How can the Schnirelmann density of the set of weird numbers be positive? The defintion given of Schnirelmann density is such that if the set does not contain 1 its density is zero. Molinari 01:44, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it is an error. UPINT 2nd ed (Guy 1994) says only "Erdös showed that their density is positive", which I think must be referring to Natural density. Hv 16:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Trivia
The placement of the trivia in no way detracts from the mathematical content of the page, so why remove it? Other major pages have trivia sections, so I doubt there's an actual precedent against it.

 * I second this. It's definitely not "subtrivial" especially due to the heavy symbolism, especially numerical, that they put into their music. Thavron 04:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * On the other hand this material is unsourced. I see no reason to keep it without reliable sources.  Deltahedron (talk) 21:25, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Lower bound for odd weird numbers
I took out the claim "if any [odd weird numbers exist], they must be greater than 10^18 (as noted by Bob Hearn in a July 2005 posting to the SeqFans mailing list)" since it was insufficiently sourced, due to the fact that the result is not published (as far as I can tell). I replaced it with the rather trivial lower bound 10^6 given by Benkoski and Erdos. If anyone knows a better published lower bound, please add it. Thanks. Doctormatt 18:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you must: the 10^6 result is ridiculously trivial. Frankly I don't think you can expect to find a published result on this, since even the 10^18 bound is too trivial to be accepted as a paper in any mathematical journal.  Considering that fact, I think that a reference to Sloane's encyclopedia is more than sufficient -- but as a WP:0RR devotee I will leave it.
 * Hmm. Perhaps some undergraduate journal would accept such a result?
 * CRGreathouse (t | c) 03:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The 10^6 bound is not the point of the Erdos paper. An improved bound could be simply part of a paper proving something significant.  Thanks for not reverting. Doctormatt 05:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That was a 1974 paper, I believe. Searching JSTOR and a few other databases from 1975 on, I wasn't able to find a single paper mentioning "weird numbers" in this context.  (JSTOR had half a dozen ads and 2-3 papers from undergraduate journals calling various transcendentals "weird"; Academic Search Complete pulled up only a newspaper article which was similarly unrelated.)
 * CRGreathouse (t | c) 13:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Guy lists this paper (in section B2 of Unsolved Problems in NT):
 * Sidney Kravitz, A search for large weird numbers, J. Recreational Math., 9 (1976-77) 82-85.
 * I think that might be worth a look (unfortunately we don't have JRM at my institution). MathSciNet also lists this:
 * On primitive weird numbers. A collection of manuscripts related to the Fibonacci sequence, pp. 162--166, Fibonacci Assoc., Santa Clara, Calif., 1980.
 * which might also be worth a look (this isn't in our library either...) Doctormatt 14:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I'll see if I can locate either. My library, like yours, doesn't have the Journal of Recreational Mathematics, but I should be able to get a copy somehow.  I'm not even sure what the other one is but I'll ask after it.
 * As clarification, I added only the 10^17 bound from the OEIS, not the 10^18 bound from the seqfans list. I still feel the 10^17 result is proper, regardless of the 10^18 bound's propriety.  (I didn't know about the 10^18 bound at all until I looked in the history after my addition.)
 * CRGreathouse (t | c) 16:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've requested the Kravitz article by interlibrary loan. Doctormatt 17:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I did the same thing earlier today.
 * I was able to find one reference -- CN Friedman, "Sums of Divisors and Egyptian Fractions",Journal of Number Theory (1993) -- which shows the weak lower bound of 232 ≈ 4. The result is attributed to "M. Mossinghoff at University of Texas - Austin".
 * CRGreathouse (t | c) 03:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll check out that paper. I got the Kravitz article: no mention of odd weird numbers, just a method for generating large even ones.  I added his results to the article.  The "large" weird number he gives is clearly outdated - I think it's high time that someone publish a paper with some modern weird number calculations... Doctormatt 04:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did not consider the search to 10^18 worth publishing. But I will investigate the options. If nothing else I can make my code available. Actually there were several tricks required to get to 10^18; even checking a single candidate odd weird (to see whether it is semiperfect) in this range is extremely slow if done naively, and of course the vast majority of the space must be weeded out before explicit checking. Bobhearn 00:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * UPINT would be a likely place to get this to be a published result. I know the author posts to seqfan occasionally, but I'm not sure how assiduously he reads it. Hv (talk) 13:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

1976 paper
What's the point in the quoted result from the 1976 paper concerning very large weird numbers, given that if N is weird, Np is weird for all p>sigma(N) ? So taking p=M#44 (the largest known prime), we get a much larger weird number using any other weird number (provided its divisors' sum does not exceed M#44). — MFH:Talk 17:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I haven't seen the paper, but I would guess the point was to construct a large primitive weird, ie one which has no weird factor (and therefore no abundant factor). Hv (talk) 08:00, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Sorry, haven't seen that reply earlier. Yes of course, it was about primitive weirds. Kravitz considered only weirds of the form 2^n p q, which are always primitive. (Back in 2008 this must have been the first time I met weird numbers. Since then I know (and published ;-) a bit more about the subject. Better late than never, thanks for your answer (which was only 4 years late). Let's meet again here in 8 years! — MFH:Talk 23:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Disputed content
I removed this disputed content:

 * Alternatively, a larger weird number can be calculated using the formula
 * $$ W = w \cdot p^{k} $$
 * where w is a weird number, p is a prime greater than the sum of divisors of w, and k is any positive integer.

 * Proof:
 * If the set of divisors of w have a sum greater than w, then the set of divisors of w each multiplied by pk have a sum greater than wpk. Divisors of w each multiplied by pk are all divisors of W, therefore W is abundant.

 * Assume a subset of proper divisors of W has a sum of W:
 * $$ \sum D = d1 + d2 + d3 + ... = W $$

 * Let S be the set of divisors of W not divisible by pk. Let X be the set of divisors of w.
 * $$ S = \{ x_{1} p^{0}, x_{2} p^{0} , ...\ ,\  x_{1} p^{1} , x_{2} p^{1} , ...\ ,\  x_{1} p^{k-1} , x_{2} p^{k-1}, ...\  ,\  w p^{k-1} \} $$

 * Factor the sum:
 * $$ \sum S = (x_{1} + x_{2} + x_{3} + ... + w)(p^{0} + p^{1} + ... + p^{k-1}) = \sigma_{1}(w)(p^{0} + p^{1} + ... + p^{k-1}) $$

 * Knowing that p is greater than the sum of divisors of w:
 * $$ p^{k} > (p^{k}-1) = (p-1)(p^{0} + p^{1} + ... + p^{k-1}) \ge \sigma_{1}(w)(p^{0} + p^{1} + ... + p^{k-1}) $$

 * Therefore no subset of S has a sum divisible by pk. All other divisors of W are divisible by pk, therefore all elements of D are divisible by pk. Dividing both sides of the first equation by pk results in a subset of proper divisors of w with a sum of w, which is a contradiction if w is weird. Therefore there is no set of proper divisors of W with a sum of W and W is weird.

 * Note: Using this formula with w = 70 whose divisors are {1,2,5,7,10,14,35}, p = 79 > 74 = 1+2+5+7+10+14+35 and k = 1, yields W = 70 $$\cdot$$ 79 = 5530, which is weird, but is not among the first few weird numbers listed in.

Deltahedron (talk) 20:59, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Response from author of disputed content: 70 is a divisor or 70, therefore p must be greater than 144, such as 149. 70 * 149 = 10430, which is indeed among the first few weird numbers listed. Also, you may check the proof - it is valid. RainMan002 (talk) 05:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Is there a reference to an independent reliable source to verify this content? Deltahedron (talk) 06:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

 * No. I (erroneously?) assumed a simple proof constitutes verifiability. The proof requires only minimal knowledge to verify. RainMan002 (talk) 22:06, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I see that it is already contained in the paper of Benkowski and Erdős. Deltahedron (talk) 18:06, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I just skimmed the paper, and it seems their version does not include the exponent on p as I have. The exponent allows direct calculation of arbitrarily large weird numbers without having to search for anything. RainMan002 (talk) 22:06, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

 * In which case, I ask the question again. Is there a reference to an independent reliable source to verify this content?  If not, then it is original research, and we can't use it.  Deltahedron (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

lacks precise definition
There is no precise definition for 'wierd number' given in this article 75.140.144.193 (talk) 12:21, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

 * First line says: "In number theory, a weird number is a natural number that is abundant but not semiperfect.". If you follow the links to Abundant number and Semiperfect number, you will know exactly how to define "weird numbers". You can also follow the link to OEIS (https://oeis.org/A006037). How more precise a definition do you need? Dhrm77 (talk) 14:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps more saliently, the immediately following sentence gives a precise and self-contained definition. --JBL (talk) 18:02, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

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Social risk positions

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Talk:Sound Blaster

ASIC in AWE64
It would be helpful to define ASIC in the AWE64 section

Dr. Sbaitso
Does anybody know the first Sound Blaster kit which included Dr. Sbaitso? --Fastfission 06:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I can tell you it was included with the Sound Blaster 2.0, but I have no idea about 1.0 or 1.5
 * I checked my disks the other week that came with my 1.5, and it was there (entire 5.25" disk dedicated to it, actually). I can't verify the original 1.0 release at this time.--Trixter 16:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It was included with my Sound Blaster 16 (early model, bought in 1993), on a 3.5" floppy called "Text to speech disk" --Keelhaul 19:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sound Blaster X-Fi
This badly looks like a sales pitch:

 * It has 10,340 MIPS of processing power (for reference, a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 has 10,224 MIPS). This is 24 times more power than offered by the Audigy. [...] X-Fi will also bring about 24 bit 3D MIDI. For more information, see Creative's website.

That content and wording sounds like it was directly ripped from one of Creative's Web pages. As the MIPS article which is linked to describes, it is a number only really quotable for marketing purposes. You don't see Pentium 4 even mention MIPS, for example.

I'm going to scrub it. Leedar 06:55, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

"Sound fonts"
They might be worth mentioning, they were important to me.

Mini Din
I am trying to decide if I should add a separate entry for the "Mini Din" or just add info to this entry.

The original Live! had a proprietary digital output that Creative refered to as the "Mini Din." The "Mini Din" was a 9-pin mini din connector, much like the mini dins used on S-Video cable, on PS2 mice and keyboard with small connectors, etc. but with a different pin configuration. One advantage of this soundcard was a user could use a microphone and digital speakers at the same time, an impossible task with the base model of all subsequent Creative sound cards which share a port for S/PDIF digital in/output and microphone connectivity. "Platinum" and high models have additional digital outputs, as well as microphone inputs which applications may not be able to select (many software creaters assume a computer has only one microphone input).

When the Live! was introduced, Creative-owned Cambridge Soundworks (and maybe others) sold expensive speaker systems (FPS2000, etc) that used the mini din connector as the only digital input. When Creative dropped support for this proprietary connection in the very next upgrade to the Soundblaster Live! series, speaker owners were left out in the cold. However, adapters can now be purchased from Creative.

Techincal information here: http://alive.singnet.com.sg/tech/digital-io.htm

Sound Blaster 32 missing!
Someone forgot this card from 1996! The name is Sound Blaster 32
 * I have one. It's basically an AWE32. They even have the 30-pin RAM slots. Completely compatible with AWE32. I will put a paragraph about it in. --Swaaye 20:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a SB AWE32 CT3780 which has no SIMM slots and no ASP. It does have 3 different CD drive connectors. IIRC it was either some sort of OEM card or a value card Nil Einne 14:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sound Blaster PCI64, PCI128 does support Soundfonts
I have one. These are rebranded ensoniq chips, but this doesn't mean they don't support soundfonts. Though they are in Ensoniq format, typically named *.ecw. At least they are included on the install cd. It seems that due to lack of format information there are no selfmade .ecw soundfonts around?!? 141.48.167.181 11:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The .ecw files aren't Soundfonts. They are "Ensoniq Concert Wavetable" sound sets and are in a completely different, and unknown, format. Ensoniq never bothered to release information on them so no one was ever able to make a custom set, to my knowledge. No board with an ES137x chip can use Soundfonts. You can not load a Soundfont in DOS on an Audigy->SBLive due to the use of this Ensoniq driver, btw. SoundFonts are an E-mu technology and are only supported in Windows, never in DOS. Even on a ISA SBAWE32 you had to load them in Windows if you wanted to use them with a DOS game. Tricky. --Swaaye 18:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? I distinctly remember loading soundfonts in DOS on some card, possibly an AWE32 or an AWE64... Indeed I seem to remember one or two DOS games even came with soundfonts an autoloaded them (not as common as with Gus patches tho IIRC) Nil Einne 14:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

sound card/sound blaster
84.254.189.37 18:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC) Can you pls tell in details how a sound card works and please include the circuit diagram of the sound card itself

SoundBlaster 16 truly 12-Bit?
According to Crossfire Design the SB 16, at least the original version, is actually a 12-Bit card that can accept 16-Bit data. Does anyone know if this truly is the case? Anss123 16:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is correct. The Adlib Gold used 12-bit DACs and marketed itself as a 12-bit card... Creative, in their shrewd sneaky ways, did exactly the same thing but marketed the card as a 16-bit card and propogated the myth by having the card only accept 16-bit data, which the DSP would truncate before feeding to the D/A converters.  So this was yet another stab in the heart for AdLib (poor little guy :-) --Trixter 16:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

No mention of Audigy 4 family?
The article makes absolutely no mention that I could see of the Audigy 4 ... is it possible someone could include some information? --DK 04:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strange, let me check the history log... ahh, here:
 * ===Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro=== +
 * - The Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro improves on the Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS by improving the SNR to 113 dB. It features much of the same core technology as the Audigy 2 ZS (it actually uses the same Audigy 2 chip), it however uses a new external I/O hub. It also allows for simultaneous recording of up to six audio channels in 96 kHz/24 bit. Its output is the same as the audigy 2. 7.1 up to 96 kHz/24bit and stereo at 192 kHz/24bit.
 * is that it? Someone deleted it some days ago.--Anss123 05:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Intro statement

 * The Sound Blaster family of sound cards was for many years the de facto standard for audio on the IBM PC compatible system platform, before PC audio became commoditized, and backward-compatibility became less of a feature.

This seems rather wrong to me. IMHO, the reason backward compatibility and Sound Blaster lost it's de facto standard was primarily because of Windows. Windows basically removed the need for backward compatibility, yuo only need a Windows driver. It was with Windows that Creative's dominance really began to crumble. Up to then, you SB was what you needed for games (which was what you generally needed audio for, baring the odd CD). Sure Gus and Roland MIDI boards had some support but SB was the defacto standard. No credible game didn't support SB. 14:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Driver
I'm surprised neither this article or Creative article really mentions the common criticism of Creative's driver and software design mentality, their support for non Windows OSes and opensource drivers in general etc. IMHO, this should be touches on in both article and the kXdriver project should also be mentioned. Nil Einne 14:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Feel free to dive into it. But honestly, as someone who's used many sound cards over the years (including Creative's since Sound Blaster Pro), I think most of the driver complaints are urban legend. Most of it is word of mouth spread by people on the web with zero real evidence behind it. I truly have few complaints with Creative's cards, especially once you get into the PCI era. Their ISA cards were more trouble, but that was more due to the cutbacks on hardware design than drivers (i.e. no hardware MPU-401 and awful output quality).

 * For example, I've used Sound Blaster Live! on many VIA MVP3 and KTxxx boards with no problems. I did have problems with a VIA Apollo Pro-based board, however. There are issues between the VIA PCI implementation and the Live! that can crop up for some. This however is mainly caused by VIA's negligence in designing their PCI bus. On pre-KT266 boards, the PCI bus had just horrible bandwidth and latency problems. It showed up with RAID cards as well, in that their performance was very sub-par. There is actually a user-made patch out there, made by George Breese, that improves the performance for both RAID cards and sound cards by tweaking chipset registers set poorly by the BIOS. Most people just jumped on Creative for these problems when in fact there was much more to it.

 * Some people really whine about the "bloat" in Creative's driver suites. However, one can easily get rid of everything other than the driver in the install program. Every applet and app is optional. And, even if you install everything, the memory usage from running applets is less than say ATI's Catalyst Control Center.

 * Let me also mention that Creative was very quick in supporting x64 for their Audigy cards. I was impressed with that.

 * The kX project is useful only for non-gamers. The drivers offer unprecedented flexibility if you really want to delve into their complexity, but they are not for the casual user at all. They can be truly wonderful for musicians. The totally programmable DSP is something else.--Swaaye 18:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

EMU8011
I have an AWE64 here (CT4380, made early 1997), and the EMU8011 has an interesting piece of information in its markings. The originals used an Asahi Kasei Microelectronics (AKM)-made EMU8011 with an AKM-specific part number, but this one was apparently made by UMC, and has a standard part number: UM23C8100. Googling "23C8100" turns up an 8-megabit mask ROM, capable of operating in either 8-bit (1M x 8) or 16-bit (512k x 16) mode; the AWE cards would be using it in 16-bit mode. Since the AWE32 has always had ROM patches, and the part number and package haven't changed since the first AWE32/SB32, I would say the theory of this being an effects CPU is dead in the water. -lee 17:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Standard
Can someone please rephrase the sentence that states about The Sound Blaster family of sound cards was for many years the de facto standard for audio [...] ? It is not really plain English; it assumes that a young technician with a basic knowledge of language (and that humbly ignores "rococò" expressions) is not allowed to read Wikipedia. Doktor Who 22:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * It seems plain to me. There's even a link to "de facto". Without that phrase, the sentence implies that the Sound Blaster family was a de jure standard, which it was not. --StuartBrady (Talk) 23:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I concur. de facto is common English phrasing and is perfectly valid. --Trixter 15:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Anyone who was gaming back then should be able to figure out the meaning. :) --Swaaye 18:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Gaming out out? I think that the use of "de facto" and "de jure" is appropriate in law contexts, not here, it is just stupid here, you all Wikipedians are outdated snobs. Doktor Who 14:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, I remember magazines literally referring to Sound Blaster as the de facto standard. Here's some proof from a 2 second Google search:    The reasoning is that every sound card back than absolutely had to have Sound Blaster compatibility to have any chance in the market.As a result of the total support SB got in games, reviews and users saw support as absolutely critical for the product to have the value they were looking for. However, Sound Blaster is the name of a product. It is not in any way an official standard. This isn't VESA VBE here. It is simply a product that came out at the right time and got complete dedication from game developers. If you want to actually read a sound card roundup from back then, check out this link  Read the post I made a year ago with scans from two of my old CGW mags. Note how they tell you whether each card has decent SB support or not. They even start the articles off explaining how critical SB support is. I guess you either weren't around back then, or didn't really read much, eh? --Swaaye 21:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I am only complaining about the abuse of Latin words and sentences in English, becouse I realize that Brits, Americans and English spekers seem unable to understand and use properly in their correct contexts such terms. I forgot to mention that Sounblaster AWE 64 is my favorite soundcard.Doktor Who 23:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

 * In this instance, the phase is being used correctly. Could you please take your mission elsewhere? --StuartBrady (Talk) 15:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Though it is not completely wrong, the sentence sounds so bad and inappropriate; this shitty platform is just a game in the hands of a few stupid people that work with the best idiots in the CIA, if someone offends and harrass me, nothing happens, on the contrary, maybe I will get banned, after admitting that I hate at least 40 % of Wikipedia and Wikipedians, that most of you are f... pretentious stupid ignorant.Doktor Who 15:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure if you're a native English speaker or not, but I am, and many others here are, and we use the term "de facto" in everyday speech, so just let the matter drop, ok? You've gone after other latin phrases in normal parlance (per capita) just because they don't sound like they do in the country you live in, so you're not establishing a decent track record... --Trixter 15:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * God thanksgiving, most of English speakers do not use "de facto" in their daily life, unless they are from/at London, "Oxbridge", Washington (?), London (oh yeah, just snobbish-stinky Londoners, not common ppl, of course). I do not really care of my records here, I do not really care about Wikipedia, though I admit that most of articles regarding Computers, and also Science and Technology in general, are very good, I'd say excellent. Wikipedia is also useful in my daily work. BUT, as I move my "focus" towards something related to music, ... SHIT!!!! I see only pretentious crazy ppl around. That's all. Doktor Who 17:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Whatever. I'm an American and I use the phrase at least once a week, and I'm just a regular educated person.
 * I think your tone of voice, accusations, and rambling shows where the real prejudice is. --Trixter 19:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As a Londoner I take offence, or would if it was possible to take this guy seriously. I cannot understand how anyone who didn't aleady know the phrase "de facto" could be anything other than simply happy to have learned a new phrase. I know I was the first time I read it in an encyclopaedia article and then looked it up in my dictionary. Anyway, the point here is that when you call something "standard" you have to distinguish in what sense you mean the word. Since "standard" has two meanings (du jure, de facto) but only one word in English. This is similar to the word "free" (meaning gratis or libre) see free beer. Any English speaker who wanted to get a clear message across would use "de facto" every day where there was the need to distinguish the sense in which they meant it. --JamesTheNumberless 11:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I received all of my pre-tertiary education in Malaysia. I did have a New Zealand parent but no London, Washington or anywhere else on your original list. I would use de facto in the same way. In any case, this is a wikipedia wide issue and if you are really convinced you're right, try taking it to the village pump or somewhere Nil Einne 11:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

answers.com
http://www.answers.com/topic/sound-blaster has largely the same text as the wikipedia, including an annoying error I corrected here ("The SB32 lacked onboard RAM no Wave Blaster header, and no CSP port."). Who copied who? Jalwikip 15:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They copied Wikipedia, it says so in the article.--Anss123 22:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Game Blaster
I remember that Creative used to sell CD kits with a Sound Blaster, CD drive, and a bunch of games, and called it the Game Blaster... I think there's also a modchip for the PSX called GameBlaster. --Ttttttttttt 01:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Resampling
There has to be an own section for the Resampling issues! I think this a quite anoing "feature" and the articel should stress it in an obviouse way —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.56.175.158 (talk) 17:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Are you referring to the 48KHz resampeling done by the SB Live? You guys actually could hear that? W3ird.--Anss123 17:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

If programs just used 48 KHz audio instead of the odd 44.1 KHz CD standard, there wouldn't have been an issue. Making the DSP 44.1 KHz would've been a bad decision, especially for E-Mu's musical products based on EMU10K1. I'm no engineer, but I bet it's not trivial to make a DSP do both frequencies natively. Look at how complex X-Fi's resampling engine is, for an example. I've never been able to hear the distortion created by the resampling outside of specific test setups that target the weakness.--Swaaye 20:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Illogical MIPS specified for either Live! or X-Fi.
Live! is said to be 1000 MIPS. X-Fi is said to be x24 than Audigy and 10,000 MIPS. This doesn't fit. 79.179.152.170 12:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was going to make the same comment - that claim is still in the article, 3 years 4 months after the above comment was made...

 * 86.25.120.153 (talk) 19:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Confirm the dates of C/MS and SB 1.0?
Can anyone confirm the dates for the C/MS (1987) and original Sound Blaster (1987?)

When I got a Radio Shack Game Blaster, I had heard the Sierra demo tape that came out in 1988, and nobody had heard of the Sound Blaster yet. I can't remember how I learned of it, but there must have been some next-big-thing-be-on-the-bleeding-edge announcement about it in some context in my life at the time. When I did get one, it was a very early example with hand solder bridges, and it must have been 1988 or later.

It troubles me to think that the Sound Blaster could have already existed at that time. I remember talking to Creative on the phone. They sproke vely bad Engrish, and had obviously just gotten their toes wet getting into the US market. In fact, I might have had to order the original Sound Blaster directly from them, come to think of it.

If anyone knows of a way to confirm the timeline, that would ease my mind, even if it turns out my memory is off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmmcintyre (talk • contribs) 01:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Date of Sound Blaster 1.0 seems wrong, see http://www.islandnet.com/~kpolsson/comphist/ or http://library.thinkquest.org/22522/timeline4_en.html . They are also speaking about founding Creative Labs in 1988. So, I do not know what to think about Game Blaster and C/MS. Who created them? PCJohn-2008-Jun-13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcjohn (talk • contribs) 14:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The Adlib was out in '87, and it was the first PC sound card. Creative introed the CMS in '88. Putting the SB in '87 was probably just someone confusing the SoundBlaster with the Adlib.--Anss123 (talk) 15:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

List of model numbers gone?
I remember in the past there used to be a list or table of model numbers (CT4830, etc.) somewhere on Wikipedia, but it's nowhere to be found now. Was it removed for some reason? 82.81.2.14 (talk) 23:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

"unclear" labeling for marketing purposes
The Sound Blaster Live! 24bit, Audigy SE and X-FI Xtreme Audio cards are basically the same soundcards. All are based on an upgrade of the old E-Mu-Chip from the SBLive and just feature better overall sound quality. You can especially easily verify that the extreme Audio is not a real X-Fi card by looking at the product pictures on Creatives website. All "real" X-Fi PCI chips are BGA chips, the one from the extreme Audio is a normal FPGA-chip. The model number is also almost the same as the one on the Audigy SE / Live! 24bit (just a newer revision). These cards can render less 3d voices in hardware than their "fully featured" counterparts and are also limited to EAX software emulation, whereas real Audigy/X-Fi cards render all voices in hardware. Creative themselves have a comparison chart on their website which also doesn´t mark the extreme Audio as EAX5 compatible. To top it off, no marketing blurb about the "X-Fi audio engine" or similar comments can be found on its page, so the careful reader should be aware that it is not a real X-Fi card (it was the same story back then with the Audigy SE). Joe Average will only hear from a friend that his X-Fi sounds really good in games and "boosts fps" when using 3D sound, so he buys the cheapest one he can find at the mall - and is bound to be disappointed as it sounds clearer than his onboard sound, but it surely doesn´t make his game run faster. (to top it off, the card will not be recognized by some games with EAX5-support as an X-Fi card) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.253.209.143 (talk) 12:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.175.11 (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

card summary is way too long/detailed/unfocused
The product-listing (starting from the SB Live) starts to deviate from the purpose of this article, which is to summarize concisely the MAJOR features and MAJOR products of Soundblaster line. I have no objection with including minor models for the sake of comprehensiveness/completeness, but some of the sections are line-for-line restatements of their linked articles.

If no one has objectinos, I will trim these down, the link to the main-article on 'SB Live', 'SB Audigy', 'SB X-Fi' gives interested readers more depth...while a short summary here keeps *this article* on track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.50.57.242 (talk) 04:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there a reason why all the cards are bunched up into one humangous page? Wouldn't it make more sense to separate the cards into their own pages? Then we could put all the relevant details onto their respective pages and it wouldn't seem so long/useless? Najob (talk) 10:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Price at launch
The article doesn't mention anything about the price tag the soundcards had at their launch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.22.51.15 (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Failure rate
No mention of the extremely high failure rate for XP users? Sound Blaster cards are notorious for randomly stopping working upon clean installs of Windows XP. Creative refuses to address this as well. Unfortunately, I can't find any reliable sources, so this will remain in the talk page. Makes me wish I was a Technology Journalist, because I've had 3 of these things fail on me. JEMdev (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

CT1310 model number
Is there any evidence this number was ever used? queststudios mentions different software packages for the 1.0/1.5 but all actual cards yield the ct1320(a/b/c) model number. Thread here: http://queststudios.com/smf/index.php?topic=2590.0 Also the "killer card" prototype found recently yields the model number "CTT 1320" Picture here: http://www.hurtley.info/Media/KillerCardFront.jpg Therefore I suppose we can assume the CT1310 model number never was officially used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.76.210.91 (talk) 07:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

USB and headset devices
Wouldn't it be worth mentioning the USB line of Sound Blaster products? Most interestingly the Tactic3D series which apparently uses a new technology rather than X-Fi. --85.82.228.249 (talk) 11:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

missing CA20K2 and CA0106 in Audio DSP Circuits table
the Audio DSP Circuits table is missing a few chips, namely the CA20K2 and CA0106 which are both named in the Sound_Blaster_X-Fi article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.179.73 (talk) 04:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

First to use stereo sound?
I recall a Sound Blaster Pro card to be among, if not the first to use stereo output, at least in proper gaming (wolf 3d). I'll try to look into it, but can't yet actually confirm this. 192.84.179.104 (talk) 07:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Included Software Package info
I believe it would be very useful to many to include a section on the included software packages that came with each model, or at least with the first model, since that's what is dear to so many people. There is already a page for Dr. Sbaitso, which is great, but it doesn't have any screenshots! There was another program I remember getting which many are fond of, the Tetra Compositor by Bram Graveland v1.0 it was a non-interactive demo featuring a tracked module called Echoing. This song is originally a 1988 Amiga pieces from a cracktro Dugger by World of Wonders. There was a third application included with the original Sound Blaster of a talking parrot, you'd talk with a mic into it, and it would pitch-shift what you said and add it's own words into it's response. I can't find the name of that program though. :( I think we could make a page called "Sound Blaster original software" and then have links from that page to Dr. Sbaitso page, and make a page for Tetra Compositor.  I am new to Wikipedia and don't yet know how to do any of this!   Najob (talk) 10:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Sound Blaster 32 memory upgrade
"The loss of onboard RAM is offset by the inclusion of 30-pin SIMM RAM sockets, which allow up to 8 MB RAM to be installed and used by the EMU engine."

Is it true that SB32 supports only 8 Mb of ram? Any source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.93.53.7 (talk) 21:33, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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hi I need info on stuff about regent honey eater

pls sent thx forceman

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Forceman. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Forceman~enwiki that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name. If you think you might own all of the accounts with this name and this message is in error, please visit Special:MergeAccount to check and attach all of your accounts to prevent them from being renamed.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:58, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 12:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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