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NHL Q
In this article it states that if he came back to the NHL he would play for Calgary. I don't understand, why can't he return to the NHL. Is it that he only wants to play for calgary and they don't want him, or is he somehow having a problem reentering the NHL? He is a talented player and I find it really hard to believe the NHL would be crazy enough to not accept him (and I'm not a Calgary fan). Maybe he just doesnt want to return to the NHL but why, when the league he plays in seems much worse (standard wise)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.249.55 (talk) 06:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

He needs to be certified by league doctors before he can play again, he's under indefinite suspension under the substance abuse program. After that happens, he can play for any team that will have him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.103.68 (talk) 22:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Ambiguity
Fleury did not score 1000 points during the 1989 Stanley Cup playoffs, he scored 5 Points. He scored 1088 Points during his regular season NHL career, and 79 during his NHL playoff career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JYDK (talk • contribs) 18:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Formatting Error
The medals table is flush right instead of centred. Is that intentional? I think it creates an ugly page. Durwoodie (talk) 22:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is intended to flush right. I suspect you are viewing on a screen with a lower resolution, forcing the stats tables below, rather than having the table sit alongside.  This is only a temporary spot for the table, as I intend to write a prose section on Fleury's international play which will incorporate the medal table. See how Jarome Iginla is set up, for an example. Resolute 22:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Allegations of Sexual Abuse
Corrected a poorly-worded recent addition on this subject and provided a reference to the CBC rather than TSN. The mention of the Fifth Estate interview will need to be ameded, with amended references, once the interview airs on October 16. Durwoodie (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm expecting a fair bit of changes on this aspect of Fleury's story, especially on Saturday when the Canwest papers publish an exerpt from the book across Canada. I am working to bring this article to FA, but as of yet am unsure if this history should be left in the "off the ice" section, or integrated into his junior hockey history.  The latter would help explain the erratic on-ice behaviours/alcoholism that are mentioned throughout his career. Resolute 22:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * IMO it should be left in the off-ice activities section because any sexual abuse was not an on-ice activity. (I say "any" because it's a logical fallacy to infer that, just because James abused Sheldon Kennedy and Fleury says James abused him, Fleury must be telling the truth.) Durwoodie (talk) 23:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I've just split the allegations of sexual abuse into a separate section. If anyone feels strongly about that, feel free to revert. Durwoodie (talk) 23:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, the new revision by Resolute is better than my version. I'm not sure how much value there is in including the name of a ghostwriting hack as the author, but it is an encyclopedic fact, so I'm not going to take it out. Durwoodie (talk) 12:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Unofficial peer review (Steve Smith)
I'm reviewing this article at User:Resolute's request. Because I may not have time for a full review, I'm placing my comments here rather than on the PR page, since I'm concerned that the latter approach might prevent another reviewer—one who does have time to do the whole thing properly—from helping out. I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Fleury, at least when he wasn't scoring on the Oilers. My comments follow. More to come, I hope. Steve Smith (talk) 22:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC) Still more to come, assuming I find the time. Steve Smith (talk) 07:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC) More later. Steve Smith (talk) 12:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC) More later. Steve Smith (talk) 11:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC) More to come. Steve Smith (talk) 01:18, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "At times the smallest player in the NHL..." I think this needs a cite, either here or at a later point in the article.
 * "...and made two attempts to win the Allan Cup." I feel like this needs to be changed to more fully explain it, but I can't figure out how offhand. I'll take another look at it later.
 * I've called Playing with Fire an autobiography, which I think is a common characterization of biographies co-written by the subject; if for some reason it isn't an appropriate descriptor here, feel free to change it.
 * It is an autobiography. McLellan-Day, so far as I am aware, was more or less just consulting.  Once you read the book, you'd know right away it's Fleury's words, lol. Resolute 02:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "...and promised to recruit him to play junior hockey for the Warriors." I'm a little unclear here on the distinction between promising to recruit him and actually recruiting him; would some modifier like "when he was old enough" be appropriate?
 * "He found that the best way to protect himself was to intimidate his opponents, and to be a little "crazy" on the ice." My inclination is to reword as "...intimidate his opponents by being a little...", but it's possible that "intimidating his opponents" and "being a little crazy" are distinct concepts. Are they?  If so, how did Fleury intimidate his opponents, given his size?
 * "Fleury retained this style of play throughout his hockey career, routinely getting the better of opponents..." What is meant by "getting the better of" in this context? Besting them physically?
 * "Although it was expected, the trade shocked fans in Calgary." I think this might go beyond the realm of paradox into outright contradiction.
 * The jersey anecdote seems somewhat out of place, since the material both immediately before and immediately after deals with the trade.
 * It might be worth mentioning the terms to which he signed in New York in the paragraph that deals with his demands and what he says went on between him and Calgary before the trade.
 * I'm a little puzzled as the chronology: we're told that he was traded to Avalanche and that he then signed with the Rangers, and then we're told about his first game with Colorado?
 * "...when it was announced that he had again entered..." Do we know who announced it? If so, could it be reworded to the active voice?
 * "...for violating the terms of his aftercare program." What is the aftercare program? Is it the league substance abuse program?  Is it a proper noun?  If he entered the program voluntarily, how could he be suspended as a result?
 * "He was not initially suspended..." Initially?
 * There's a large temporal gap between the end of the Avalanche/Ranger/Hawks section and the senior hockey section; it should be bridged somehow.
 * "He also hoped to help kids on the Horse Lake First Nation." How?
 * "By August, he petitioned Commissioner Gary Bettman..." Am I reading this correctly in thinking that we don't have an exact date, but that it was in or before August?

 * all addressed so far. The temporal gap is explained in the off the ice section.  And no, I don't currently have an exact date for his reinstatement request.  Dreger's article is from early August and only says that he had sent the letter requesting reinstatement. Resolute 16:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

That's about all. This is close to FA-level, though I haven't gone through it enough to guarantee that I'll support it in its current state at FAC; any new issues I have then are likely to be minor, though. Steve Smith (talk) 10:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There should probably be some mention of his actually being selected for the 2002 Olympic team, rather than just invited to its camp.
 * Something about the part where he gets sober is lacking: in 2004 he wasn't sober yet. He credits his wife with turning his life around, but he didn't actually meet her until a year after he became sober.  Shouldn't something be said about the quitting itself?
 * I assume that Rock Solid wasn't picked up; is there any more to be said about that?
 * The bit about the Vipers leaves me scratching my head a bit - he shows up at their office trying to sell them practice jerseys, and they suggest that he play for them? Was it a publicity stunt?  That he actually hit a single suggests that there was reason to believe he could actually play baseball, but that doesn't show up in the text.  Any additional context would be helpful.
 * Is there anything else to be said about FAKE? It's mentioned here only in the context of his baseball career, but seems like a major enough thing that it would justify some information of its own.
 * I dimly remember some mention (I think it might have been at Mirtle's) of a suggestion that the NHL comeback attempt was driven by financial necessity. Was that reported in reliable sources?  I almost don't want to see it added to such a feel-good story, but I think if it can be reliably sourced and written in a BLP-sensitive manner it probably belongs.
 * I've changed "regain their sobriety and their lives" to "overcome addictions", for POV and general tone reasons. If it's specifically alcohol (or specifically other drugs) that should probably be mentioned.
 * I'm iffy on the autobiography section - it strikes me that maybe the material should be integrated into the article, such that the focus is less on his autobiography divulging the abuse and more on the abuse. The section also seems a little recentist.
 * "...and had begun working with an organization dedicated to helping male sexual abuse victims." As a volunteer or a client?
 * Good points. A few comments: The Vipers thing was a publicity stunt, and as far as I can find his clothing line really only ties into the Vipers.  He didn't even mention any of it in his book. I'll have to reword the parts where he found his sobriety, as he says he was still partying when he met his wife.  It was after their relationship began that he cleaned up.  The financial bit for the comeback was speculated on, however given he didn't look for any other offers after the Flames cut him, it's hard to argue specifically that that is why he did it, since it all comes down to editorializing.  I'll see what I can come up with.

 * As far as the autobiography section goes, I've debated integrating his allegations into the article, though the current format follows the chronological history better, imo. We didn't know about the abuse until he revealed it, some 25 years after the fact.  I have been thinking of spinning his book off into its own article and trimming that section.  Especially since, when (if) he files a police complaint against James, that section will expand. But some good food for thought, thanks. Resolute 14:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Should be all dealt with. No time like the present to attempt FAC.  Thanks for the review! Resolute 22:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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Article Evaluation
What distracted me about this article was the fact that they talked about his dad as being an alcoholic and his mom as being a drug addict instead of sharing more appropriate information. They also stated that Theoren described himself as a bully which I believe is irrelevant to the text. The opening paragraph states how he is an advocate for sexual abuse victims and was a recipient for the Indspire Award, yet all they can talk about was his aggression and acts of being a bully. The only comments they stated about Theoren’s background was that he is of Métis descent and his grandmother was a Cree. I feel that they could have stated more information about his heritage as it seemed to play a large role in his life. Information is retrieved from many different sources including: “Fleury attempting NHL comeback”, “A Fleury of Fury” and “Back in the Saddle”. A few of the links lead to websites where the information has been removed, which I believe should be revised. Also, there is information where the button “citation needed” is stated. However, besides a few links who no longer provide evidence, most of the references I examined were reliable sources. Most of the articles seemed to be recent, as far back as 2015. Throughout the article, I believe there is a bias put on Thereon as being aggressive, disruptive and an enforcer. Much of the article talks about his drug and alcohol addiction and how it rendered his career. Besides the overemphasis on his addiction, the article did state many positives about Theoren and how he is contributing back to society today.

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Week 10 edits
1. Is each fact referenced with and appropriate, reliable reference ? A lot of the facts on Fleury's Wikipedia page are referenced to the appropriate pages. For example with all of the teams that he has played for the all have links that take you right to the teams page so that you can get information on the team. Another example is with all the national teams and awards that he has received it has links that give information on the year that it occured and some of the other specifics. One piece of information that I don't see cited is the part where it says that his annual golf tournament raised 1 million dollars to go toward the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of Canada. 2. Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? is there anything that distracted you? I think that all the information displayed on Fleury's Wikipedia page is all relevant to his life and what he has done and went through. the topics that are shown are his early life, playing career, off ice contributions, career statistics and awards. All of these topics play roles in describing who Theoren Fleury is and what he has done in hockey and outside of hockey. I don not believe that there is anything distracting about Fleury's page I think everything is relevant and is displayed very nice that flows well. 3. Is there viewpoints that are overrepresented? Are there view point underrepresented? I don't think that there are points that are overly represented over others. I do think that there is a lot of information about his life in hockey which is because that was his career. I think that there needs to be more information about his life as of now off the ice and more information about the advocacy programs that he is associated with. Theoren Fleury was a good hockey player but what he is doing now with telling his story and his involvement off the ice is what is making his name eve bigger. I think that that part of his life may be a little underrepresented and should be brought to light more Vandenbr 98 (talk) 21:49, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Conspiracy theorist
Actually, sharpie, the onus is on YOU to include it. "Brandon University has issued a statement publicly criticizing former NHLer Theo Fleury for spreading harmful conspiracy theories." Thats what your source says, and thats the opinion of the university yet you wrote it as fact that he's a conspiracy theorist. Secondly, you are including a twitter argument as a source for fact. Anyone can say anything on twitter and it doesnt make fact. You are obviously NOT new to Wikipedia. Whose sockpuppet are you? You know wikipedia does not take kindly to anonymous sockpuppets. If you want to include those statements, A find a source thats not an opinion and B. find a primary source thats not twitter. Masterhatch (talk) 18:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

, the onus is on you, to get a consensus for the changes you wish to make. GoodDay (talk) 19:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 * The phrase "Conspiracy theorist" is meaninglessly empty. Better to directly elaborate what his theory is. —— CommInt'l (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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Wright Stuff
Isn't The Wright Stuff IAN Wright (ex-footballer)s show, and not that journo? Its also not the kind of show that would name someone as a suspected rapist, so I think theres something wrong in the article --Kiand 16:58, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * You're wrong. It was Matthew Wright, and it is said that he named Leslie by mistake, and no-one has contradicted that. If you like, you can verify it very easily. Pcb21| Pete 17:30, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, got it confused with All Wright On The Night, or whatever Ian Wrights show is called. Channel 5 doesn't appeal to me enough to ever watch it in the first place, and considering only 1 TV in my house can get it (the one with a Dodgybox and a british card, I've never seen or heard of the show. --Kiand 18:51, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

acquitted category
You'll have to explain why you don't think he belongs in it. There is nothing in the category definition to indicate otherwise. Johnbod (talk) 20:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thought it was obvious. "Individuals acquitted in a court or tribunal of any sex crime, incuding rape, incest, sexual abuse, child pornography, etc." It clearly doesn't apply here. --John (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Er??? He went to trial on a charge of rape, and won. The article & sources are unclear as to the process, but he was cleared after the charges reached court. I thought that was obvious. Johnbod (talk) 21:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The sources, if you read them, are very clear indeed that Leslie was not acquitted but that the prosecution dropped the case. --John (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They are not clear at all, but what is is that the case reached court. Johnbod (talk) 22:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please either remove the category from the article or seek consensus to widen the scope of the category. "Acquitted" is a legal term with a clear definition. --John (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly - try this link Johnbod (talk) 22:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * and this from the Telegraph "Leslie, of Sheen, south-west London, learned on Wednesday that the Crown was to drop the case. When he formally denied the two allegations, the judge directed verdicts of not guilty on both counts." Johnbod (talk) 22:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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Juries in England don't "clear" people of charges
As of the date and time of this my typewritten comment, this article contains the text "He was cleared of this charge by a jury on 19 October 2020". That's wrong. Juries in England can't "clear" a Defendant of charges. A juror in England (and in the U.S.A.) can vote for "not guilty", but cannot vote for "innocent". An English jury cannot issue a verdict that someone did not commit the offense that the Prosecution has alleged they committed. An English jury can issue a verdict that the Defendant DID commit the offense, or they can issue a verdict that says that they don't know, to the point of certainty required by law, whether the Defendant committed the offense or not. A jury in a criminal trial cannot clear the Defendant of the accusation. After any trial, subsequent work by journalists or private investigators, or new witnesses coming forward with new information can clear the person in the court of public opinion, but there's no such thing as a jury "clearing" a Defendant of charges.
 * And, honestly, Wikipedia, as you continue to ask me for money, this is the KIND of thing that constantly "trashes your 'brand'", when you allow ANYONE to write such drivel as "cleared by a jury" referring to a U.S. or English trial. Have you NO mechanism for internal review? I am constantly finding good FACTS in Wikipedia, well-sourced articles written by professional responsible EXPERT people whose footnotes don't lead to tabloid journalists, but the minute I mention that I read it in Wikipedia people pounce on me saying "Good Heavens! Who would EVER believe ANYTHING written in Wikipedia?". Well, I do, when it's credible, and I don't, when it's not. But when it's not, it undermines the cases where it is. You're doing a disservice when you don't maintain standards.2600:8804:8800:11F:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 19:49, 4 September 2022 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

 * It’s the Wikipedia article anyone can edit, so go ahead and remedy the situation. Seasider53 (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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Ambiguous wording in "Achievements"
The "Achievements" section mentions that he is "The only player in NHL history to be named to captain two separate franchises (Hartford/Carolina and Pittsburgh) each in two separate periods." I wanted to copyedit this to make it more clear, but I'm not sure - what's meant by a period? I don't think it would be the period of a game, but it might mean part of a season, or it might mean that he was captain before and after the team moved to a different city. The Penguins have always been in Pittsburgh, however. --Idont Havaname 22:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm, well if it means Francis was the only player to captain two seperate franchises (which would have to be in seperate time periods, since no player has played for two teams simultaneously),then Francis wasn't the only one: see Terry Ruskowski ,Mark Messier ,Trevor Linden ,Scott Mellanby etc) & If "Only" means to captain a franchise ,be traded away then eventually return to the franchise (since relocated) then perhaps Francis was the only one (again only if the franchise he returned to ,was relocated since his last stint there). Mightberight/wrong 25 October 2005

 * What I meant was that Francis is the only one in NHL history to captain two separate franchises in two separate time periods each: Hartford from 1985-1991 and Carolina from 2000-2004, and Pittsburgh in the 1995 and 1998 seasons.  Obviously many players have captained two separate teams, and Gretzky and Messier (at least) captained three.  Ravenswing 04:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, then on that meaning, I agree with you 100% RG. Francis is the only person in NHL history to have this distinction. Mightberight/wrong 26 October 2005

Could someone fix the statistics?
They look terrible. Why are the stats pushed to the left? --Hasek is the best (talk) 18:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Grant Fuhr

"Biracial"?
The article says that he was born to "bi-racial parents" -- does this mean that both parents were biracial, or that his parents were an interracial couple and thus he was biracial?

Incidentally, I was living in Buffalo when he was with the Sabres, and I recall that the golf club where the Sabre players traditionally played was discovered, upon Fuhr's application, to have a whites-only policy. I seem to remember that his fellow players quit en masse. Does anyone else remember the details of this incident? This would have been in the early '90s, so the rule seemed quite outdated at the time. --Jfruh 17:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

contradiction?
The article mentions his rejection from a Buffalo Golf club on racial grounds, then suggests that Fuhr never encountered racism while in the NHL. Perhaps he never encountered racism WITHIN the NHL, but it would be nice to have another source confirm this. In the meantime, i'll narrow things so that the article is at least internally consistent. --72.136.196.248 11:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

While in the NHL and within the NHL, one can deduct the second from the first. If it's really necessary you can change it. -RiverHockey (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Drug Addcition Controversy
I believe one of the notable things missing from this article was the fact that grant fuhr did have a drug addiction to coccaine

that link above can verify this fact. Fuhr's addiction early in his career cme out in a Issue of the Edmonton Journal on Aug 31, 1990.

I think this is a more reliable source for that.  Bsroiaadn Talk 13:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Cite this fact
Near the end of the page it says that it's believed Gretzky said Fuhr is the best goalie in NHL history a few times, but it should be noted that he said the same thing about Dominik Hasek. Should we put the verification/citing notees on that statement? Hasek is the best 03:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Citation for this claim is a dead link. 205.172.134.23 (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

San Diego Padres?
It says that Fuhr was drafted in Major League Baseball by the San Diego Padres...it would be nice if someone could cite this fact, because I can't find his name in any draft history using this site. I can only imagine this site is accurate since it's an official MLB site, so a reference to the contrary would be nice. --Silverandcold 03:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Fuhr was recently on an episode of Pros vs. Joes (which should also be mentioned) and in the beginning of the episode (in the Pros introductions to the Joes) it is stated that he was originally drafted to the Padres. This would back up the statement. Mar. 25, 2007.

I sent an e-mail to the Padres about this issue. According to Tim Katzman, Director of Corporate Communications, Fuhr was never drafted by the Padres. He's also under the impresson Fuhr was never drafted by any MLB team. -Matt Bugg, DobberHockey.com (November 27th, 2007) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.15.133 (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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No references tag & removal
I added references for every paragraph. I removed the tag about no references or citations. Dogru144 03:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks, but the references should be included as inline citations and listed in a References section at the bottom of the page. See WP:MOS and WP:CITE for further info. -- Gmatsuda 23:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Controversy in Buffalo section
This section needs a complete overhaul, but quite frankly, I'm baffled as to how to do it. I tried finding the article in the Buffalo News archives as instructed to do so by the article but couldn't.  How do we fix this? Schmloof (talk) 18:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You made a good start with copyediting. It reads more neutral . Flibirigit (talk) 19:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Canada Cup 1987
The article about Fuhr contains a description of his performance in the 1987 Canada Cup as cementing his reputation as a great goaltender. I remember watching the Canada Cup in 1987 and thinking that he played terribly, especially against the Russians. Canada badly outshot them, especially in the 3rd game, and barely beat them 6-5 with Lemieux's historic goal. Whoever wrote that portion of the article either didn't watch the 1987 Canada Cup, or has a very poor memory. 66.11.73.250 (talk) 18:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Selected as the 1987 Canada Cup All-star goaltender, including three wins and a tie against runner-up Soviet Union, a team that had more of the tournament's Top-10 goal scorers than Canada. Jmg38 (talk) 08:04, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Fuhr's biological parents
The article says that he "was born to one African-Canadian parent and one Caucasian parent," but then it mentions that his "mother came from Enoch Cree Nation." Someone who is Cree is not Caucasian. 47.54.108.74 (talk) 03:05, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Mike Gartner

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This page needs a lot of work. And I mean a lot. Mike Gartner is one of the most consistant goals scorers in hockey history and he deserves a better page than this. Masterhatch

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Talk:Gary Smith

The "nice bloke canvey island" reference should not be used since it is both the makings of a vanity page and an empty page.

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Talk:Hammer (Xenosaga)

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Talk:Martin Gélinas

Game 7 information
"Gelinas wristed the puck into the post, coming within an inch or two of tying the game"

I think this references a shot by Nathan Lafayette, not Martin Gelinas.

No, Gelinas as well as Lafayette hit a post late in game 7. Gelinas - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyi9DH_okwI Lafayette - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhPVw5y7_uU —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abarry12 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Date of Birth
Was he born on June 5th as in the text header or May 29th as in the infobox???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.113.201.71 (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

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Talk:Bernie Geoffrion

Bernard not Bernie!
I think this article should be placed under the name "Bernard Geoffrion". Bernie is not his name, that's an english translated name. (Posted by User:Jeffmartel)

 * He is most often referred to as "Bernie" in hockey history books, and in comtemporary publications.Habsfannova 18:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I understandard you point. But, as a french canadian, I've never heard of Bernie before. Since Bernard is a french canadian, I think it would be better to use it's real name.
 * The French version of the article is under Bernard, but since he's generally referred to as Bernie in English, that should be the title here. MisfitToys 21:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, the article says about march 11, "To add to the many coincidences of that day, the two numbers form together the number 75, which is the age he died this day." Couldn't figure it out: which two numbers?
 * Maybe late as answeR....................................

(as I hardly go to discussion page), but just before that, it said that Howie Morenz banner was lowered to be raised back side to side with Bernard Geoffrion's one. Howie Morenz number was 7, and Bernard Geoffrion was 5. Bernard died at age of 75, which is the number that is formed with these two banner. By the way, it refers to the sentence before: "In further recognition of the special link between the Morenz and Geoffrion families, the two numbers were raised side by side (Morenz's banner was lowered halfway and was raised back up to the rafters with Geoffrion's banner)."Sharkkiller 03:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Slapshot
Who was first? Boom Boom or Alex Shibicky? 72.139.108.211 00:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

 * He might not have been first but many do consider him to be. In any case it's worth noting that most people consider him at least one of its innovators.

--Legalizeit 01:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've always found this claim really, really hard to believe. When kids who have never played hockey in their lives first pick up a stick, the first thing they think to do is wind up and swing it more in the manner of a golf club than fire wrist-shots. Or when hockey is portrayed in cartoons, for example, most often by people who know little about the game, the players are always slapping away in fashions that don't actually occur in hockey games. In other words, the natural instinct with a stick and a puck is to wind up and slap it, but hockey players (who have more refined skills, obviously) know not to do it. For that reason, I find it near impossible that no one could have thought to take a slap shot before the 1950s... was it just that he was the first who could pull it off with regularity in a game situation? J21 01:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think he was the first to use it regularily and with great skill...remember, coaches never taught the proper technique for it until after it started appearing the pros. I think it was really more of an evolution then a revolution. I mean, his nickname was from practicing it..."Boom", goes off his stick, "boom", hits the boards.Habsfannova 03:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

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Nickname
"Boom Boom" saving nickname for future use. -Djsasso (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Family history stuff in first paragraph
The Geoffrion family history stuff in the first paragraph isn't too relevant to this man's biography, and it's very poorly edited.

Also later in the article there's this: "He grew up in Drolet, a suburb east of Montreal." Drolet is a street in Montreal, but is not the name of a suburb.

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Talk:Jean-Sébastien Giguère

Ryan Smyth incident
If someone can fix it to accurately depict what happened in a manner relevant to his play level, I'd welcome it being added, but the section on it was filled with errors. Smyth did NOT score that game off of a feed from Horcoff, though Horcoff scored an empty net off of a feed from Smyth. Giguere only left the crease angry after Pronger scored on a slapshot, and Smyth did not appear to be on the ice - there's no footage I can find of what exactly happened other than a linesman holding Giguere back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.72.30 (talk) 02:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Jiri Crha
There's an error onthe page - the link about Jiri Crha is mis-spelled as "Chra" and doesn't link to an actual page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.44.41 (talk) 04:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I went ahead and fixed that. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 09:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Personal
This became the case of the big white chode when he was in the AHL during the 1997-98 season.

Chode is slang for "short thick penis" or "taint".

You might want to change this.

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Post-Playing Career section
It literally includes nothing about his career after playing. Section should be titled 'Retirement'. Herandar (talk) 11:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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Trevor Gillies
Is it really necessary to include his non-relation to Trevor Gillies? As someone sarcastically noted recently, he's not related to a large number of people named Gillies, and hockey or playing for the Islanders notwithstanding, I really don't see this as necessary. We wouldn't clutter articles about any number of players named Smith for example with such notes. I further don't see "Gillies" as being an unusual enough name to warrant this either. If there's a compelling argument to be made that shows a history of people making an erroneous connection between the two players, then maybe. Opinions? Echoedmyron (talk) 01:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Colton Gillies
Article says Colton is Clark's nephew; Colton's says they are third cousins. Which is it? Echoedmyron (talk) 22:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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Doug Harvey played against the Russian while playing for the Quebec Aces he was called up to assist the Montreal Jr Canadians in a Exibition game in 1964 or 1965. The coach was Scotty Bowman and they also had Gump Worsley in Goal. Ironically, the Montreal Jr Canadians had a list of future NHL stars in the lineup as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.211.89 (talk) 01:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

This article is in serious need of citations. I've put notice on some of the more inflamatory statements (although they are likely true) which need references.BashBrannigan (talk) 01:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC) ( Here's your "DIRECT" reference with a "LINK" from the Montreal Gazette Online Articles provided by Google.)

1) Montreal Gazette; Dec 12, 1964 ;  Page 33, Writer Bob Scott Link to the direct article :  Copy/Paste the link below: (Montreal Gazette Online Archives) http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Op8tAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XJ8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=6552%2C2804404  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.102.158 (talk) 21:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Montreal Gazette; Dec 12, 1964 ;  Page 33 Writer Bob Scott  Attendance: 15, 678 Game was played at the Montreal Forum.

"Doug Harvey played nearly 50 minutes" according to the writer for the Montreal Gazette, Bob Scott. With Gump Worsely in Goal. 6 Pro's were added from the Quebec Aces to the Montreal Jr Canadians. The coach of the Jr Canadians was none other than Scotty Bowman.

The Following year Scotty Bowman talked Jaques Plante into coming out of retirement to play and avenge the 3-2 loss to the Russians. With Jaques Plante in Goal the following year the Montreal Jr Canadians beat the Russians 2 -1. Plante basically stood on his head. Winning goal with 33 seconds left was scored by Norm Dennis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.53.189.42 (talk) 03:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

LA KINGS Assistant Coach Record: LA KINGS Assistant COACH 1969 - 1970 From Dec and the rest of the season

1970 - 1971 Most of the Season

The Montreal Gazette March 22, 1971, Page 14 Writer, Dan McLean http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19710322&id=xJgkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oqAFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4775,5466747 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.104.43 (talk) 19:46, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Perfected?
I kinda feel like "perfected" is a strong word to use to describe Rick DiPietro..., anyone else think that just Brodeur can suffice? -Benthorot

→I agree, that sentence sounds like it was written by an islander's fan. No hockey expert (however defined) would say that DiPietro has "perfected" any aspect of the game. -Chiefhoser

Temper
Hextall was also known for being a little hot under the collar, not only in roughing it up with some opposing players but also for badgering officials and complaining about inference. I'm not really sure how to add this regarding NPOV, but I think you'll find this fairly well-documented elsewhere. Maybe noting his PIMs would be a place to start. Wencer 05:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

No own goal
This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA... not every reader will know that hockey stat keeping is not the same as say football. A non fan may reasonably analogize. It is important to actually spell out that Hextall shot the puck directly into the net unimpeded, while Smith's goal was the act of the opposing team. That is niot vandaslism. that FACT that the scoring rules is silly is also a fact Bona Fides 14:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I think I fully explained the silly hockey scoring rule without being excessive. Football has an own goal so that a player's goal stats would not be inflated. It's like the error system of baseball scoring. Bona Fides 14:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * No, saying "this is a silly and stupid quirk of hockey statistics" is an opinion and subject to WP:POV. ccwaters 15:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * It is quirky if other sports don't do this... unless football is out of the pattern and say baseball assigns offensive credit to opponents error. The question should always be, what would a general non fan of this sport expect if you don't actually spell out the fact that we have a unique scoring rule. Bona Fides 16:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)  It would be stupid if the rule is so counter intuitive from analozing from otter sports that non fans would be prone to error.  It is smart to choose obvious scoring systems.  Bona Fides 16:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I just clicked on your POV link... I never thought that a scoring rule for stats would be controversial Bona Fides 16:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC) I don't think that it is.

 * Maybe the error is the assumption that if a "friendly" player is the last person to touch the ball/puck before it goes into the net then it is inherently that player's blame. Maybe it he was playing his role perfectly and it just bounced of him. The scoring concepts are just different. Hextall's article isn't the venue to compare or evaluate their merits. ccwaters 18:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hall of Famer?
Does Ron Hextall deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.242.12.49 (talk) 19:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Stats
Can someone try to make a stats table? The stats now look unorganized and indefinitely hard to follow. I could if I have time, but it will take a while. Hasek is the best 16:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Acctually, I'll make a chart. Hasek is the best 17:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There you go. I updated it a bit to fit into the hockey stat standard. --Djsasso 21:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The Goal
This section talks more about Smith's goal than Hextall's. Can we get more information on his goal? It makes it sound like Hextall's goal was exactly the same as Smith's, but also says that it was different for some reason. I'm confused. Wrad (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that it should be mentionned that he actually scored 2 goals, Ron Hextall and Martin Brodeur are the only NHL goalies to be credited with two career goals (each scoring once in the regular season and once in the playoffs), though only Hextall has scored two goals by shooting the puck into an empty net. I also think the 2 first times a goalie scrored a goal in the NHL this way (by shooting it directly in the net) it was him too, but that im not sure.

Maine Mariners?
So, the Flyers added Hextall to their hall of fame tonight and comcast sportsnet ran a bunch of montages throughout the telecast. What stuck me a odd was one of the very first shots was a still of young Hextall clearly in a Maine Mariners jersey. The mariners were the Flyer affiliate until 1983 while Hextall was still in the major juniors. Could this be a training camp pic and if so why would they showcase it so prominently in this montage? ccwaters (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Playing style
I got my hands on a book that discusses Hexy's style of play a bit, and I was wondering if there would be any objection to me fiddling with the entire article to concentrate the commentary on his style from the Career section into the Playing style section. I'm asking because I'm not a primary editor and I would probably end up introducing significant changes to the article.  Maxim (talk)  21:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Definitely feel free to add to the playing style, but perhaps try to avoid cutting too much away from the career section? But to be honest, do what works best for you, and I can always fiddle things back in if I think you've gone too far: then we can argue a little and eventually compromise on something!  Harrias  talk 21:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Informal review
I'm going through and copy-editing where I can. Anything I'm not sure about is here, and please revert if I make a mess or change anything.

 * Lead
 * "He is currently the Vice President and Assistant General Manager...": Needs "as of 2011" somewhere according to WP:DATED. A few other issues like this in the lead.
 * I agree with you that for records an "as of" is needed; but I would suggest that the VP and AGM statement doesn't require it. I know I'm near to WP:OTHERSTUFF, but Thierry Henry doesn't have an "as of" for being a current New York Red Bulls player, Paul Collingwood doesn't have one for being vice-captain of Durham County Cricket Club, and Barack Obama doesn't have one for being the US President. You know I'm not that keen on these in general, but hopefully you'll see my point.  Harrias  talk 18:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've no problem; maybe see what others think? --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * "Despite the Flyers' loss to the Edmonton Oilers in seven games...": My ignorance of North American sport rears its ugly head here, but does this mean they lost seven games or was it a seven game "series" (for want of a better word!)?
 * It was a best of seven series: so first to four wins. Presumably this needs clarifying: would a note suffice, or should I try and write it inline (so to speak)?  Harrias  talk 18:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I always prefer a good note! --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * "recording goals against averages below 3.00..." Ignorance again, but should this be capitalised or in some way pointed out as a statistic? When I first looked at it (ignorance again) I didn't realise it was a statistical term.
 * Would simply putting (GAA) after the term be sufficient?
 * Yes, but I still wonder should it be Goals Against Averages instead of goals against averages.--Sarastro1 (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Junior hockey
 * It may be useful to give a brief suggestion as to the level of the leagues he played in; i.e. how many rungs down the ladder?
 * Things don't tend to be quite so clear cut in this regard; I'll see if I can find anything quantifying them, but it might be difficult.

 * "Flyer's scout Jerry Melnyk said he could understand why many teams did not rate Hextall: "There were teams who thought he was loony."" I'm not sure this adds much and may be better cut.
 * "Hextall set a record for the most penalty minutes accumulated by a goaltender, being assessed for 117 minutes during the regular season.": Jargony? I'm not sure of the significance here and it should be spelt out.

 * Professional hockey
 * "...who won the championship 4–2...": Was this the result in the final, or a series of games?
 * Rephrased to "who won the championship by four games to two." for clarity: is that any better?
 * Yes, fine now. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

More to follow over the next few days. --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

 * First three seasons
 * "...Hextall was invited to the Flyers' training camp as a long-shot...": I don't like this too much as it is a little too sporting-journalese, but I don't know a better way to put it without sounding too pompous.
 * "conceded a goal from the first shot he faced in the game, but allowed no further shots past him": Repetition of shots; again my hockey-knowledge does not suggest a better word.
 * Would "no further goals past him" work do you think? I'm not sure if it really means the same thing.  Harrias  talk 18:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * "...commenting that, "I realize that I've subjected both myself and Ron to criticism by going with him, but it's a decision that we feel very comfortable with."": Does this quote add much to what is already said?
 * Any retribution (official or otherwise) from swinging his stick?
 * The second paragraph of this section has a few too many "games" and "Oilers" and may need looking at a bit more.
 * Possibly a few too many quotes here as well about how great he is; I think one or two give the general idea.
 * "Speaking on behalf of the NHL, Brian O'Neill said that: "There is no justification for any player to swing his stick in retaliation and this is especially the case for a goaltender whose stick, because of its weight, can cause serious injury."": Again, I'm not sure this is necessary as the point is already made.
 * I've tweaked the goal description, but put anything back you think should be there.
 * Is it Flyers XXXman or Flyers' XXXman; I think there is some discrepancy (unless my eyes are going!).
 * Is there a link for period?
 * Linked.  Harrias  talk 21:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

More to follow. --Sarastro1 (talk) 13:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Contract rebel and injury troubles
 * I've re-worded the part about the "rehabilitation assignment" to make it sound less jargon. Can you check I haven't changed the meaning?
 * Seems good to me.  Harrias  talk 21:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Preseason or pre-season?
 * CBC and TSN (Canadian broadcasters) use pre-season, I'll switch to that.  Harrias  talk 21:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Quebec Nordiques
 * "During the ten days between the trades being made and the arbitrator's ruling, there was a lot of speculation about which Flyers' and Rangers' players were involved in the potential trades.": Is this necessary as it disrupts the flow slightly. Possibly modify the next sentence to say :"Hextall was unhappy to be among players suggested as a potential trade."
 * " along with Peter Forsberg, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, a first round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, a first round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994, and $15,000,000 cash for Lindros.": This is a bit of a mess and very hard to follow which description belongs to which player. I would suggest merely saying "along with 6 [or is it 7?] other players."
 * Tidied this up a little, hopefully it reads better now?  Harrias  talk 21:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * New York Islanders
 * "...the two teams also traded first round draft picks (the Nordiques gained the 14th pick in place of the 23rd)": Too much again?
 * "Steve Thomas suggested that Hextall was "one of the best goalies in the league, easily in the top five or 10," while coach Al Arbour dismissed dropping Hextall, saying that "We're not playing well in front of the goaltender and he can only be as good as the guys in front of him."": Again, a little too much in my view, but not a big deal if it stays.
 * Link shutout?

 * Return to Philadelphia
 * "We Want Hex-tall": Why is it hyphenated?
 * Presumably to show the manner in which it was chanted: I was a bit dubious about the inclusion of this quote at all to be honest.  Harrias  talk 21:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

More to follow. --Sarastro1 (talk) 17:28, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Playing style
 * This section is slightly messy and I would suggest a little reorganisation; what about a paragraph on his goaltending (there is not much about he actual ability to stop shots) and unusual style, then about his aggression, then the judgements that he was a bit of a psycho. Some overall career judgements would be quite good too, placing him somewhere in the grand scheme of things, and maybe something on his legacy if it exists.
 * Ouch. First paragraph is a bit of a mess. There are a few typos, but more to the point it is quite ponderous. It is hard to follow the descriptions of play which are rather laboured and do not really make it clear what is going on. I would imagine that a rough paraphrase of this paragraph would be: "Other goaltenders could not play the puck well technically and possessed a crude technique. Hextall, in contrast, played more like a defenseman and was technically skilled with the stick. Consequently, opposing teams could not pursue their usual methods of hitting the puck into their offensive zone as Hextall was able to return possession to his team." Maybe something like this, with the examples and descriptions removed would be more effective?
 * "...continued to move the puck" Is there a better way of saying this? Pass? There must be a technical term that sounds more elegant!
 * I've reworked the "soft goals" part, but I'm not sure it still reflects the source as I've said the tendency lasted through his career.
 * "Martin Brodeur modelled his own play on that of Hextall, saying "I love the fact that he was playing the puck. He was one of the first goalies that came out and played the puck. He was a little rough for my liking, but it was entertaining. The playing of the puck was the big thing."": Is this necessary? I think the point is already made.
 * "when killing a penalty they would frequently pass the puck back to him, relieving some of the pressure on his team": jargon. What is killing a penalty? And could it be expanded how this relieved pressure? Again, I imagine a paraphrase would be: "the team were able to use him as an outlet as defencemen could relieve pressure by passing the puck back to him".

 * Post-retirement
 * "In addition, Hextall also serves..." WP:DATED.
 * Could this section be combined with personal life to bulk them out a little.

 * Ref for the statistics section?
 * Is the records section a little too much like trivia? I would suggest incorporating it in the main text.

 * Overall
 * I think that's everything, but I have this watchlisted.
 * Looks pretty good overall. I have not checked sourcing at all, and watch out that I haven't changed anything to UK English or made it sound too pompous.
 * Seems fairly comprehensive and gives a good picture of the guy. I can't see too many problems at FAC, but it needs non-sporting eyes to make sure for jargon. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

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DeKalb–Peachtree Airport

DeKalb–Peachtree Airport is a county-owned, public-use airport in DeKalb County, Georgia, United States. The airport is located in the city of Chamblee, just northeast of Atlanta. It is also known commonly as Peachtree–DeKalb Airport, or simply PDK. Other names (rarely used) include Peachtree Airport, DeKalb Airport, or DeKalb County Airport. ASOS weather reports are produced 24 hours per day as "Chamblee". It has airline service with Ultimate Air Shuttle to Cincinnati and Southern Airways Express to Memphis and Destin.

As per Federal Aviation Administration records, the airport had 1,784 passenger boardings (enplanements) in calendar year 2008, 393 enplanements in 2009, and 463 in 2010. It is included in the National Plan of Integrated Airport Systems for 2011–2015, which categorized it as a reliever airport.

Camp Gordon
The United States Army established many war-training camps during World War I. Chamblee, northeast of Atlanta, was selected for one of the state's largest army cantonments. It was named Camp Gordon in honor of John Brown Gordon, who was a major general in the Confederate army, a Georgia governor, a U.S. senator, and a businessman. The camp opened in July 1917, becoming a training site and home of the famous 82nd Division. The division was composed of men from several different states, but men from Georgia made up almost half its number. Among the men trained at Camp Gordon, during that period, was the future Medal of Honor recipient Alvin York.

The 157th Depot Brigade was located at Camp Gordon, which received, organized and equipped troops in preparation for further assignments. The unit also received returning troops from war time service and completed their out processing and discharges.

Camp Gordon fielded football teams in 1917 and 1918 that competed in those NCAA college football seasons.

This camp was in operation until the sale of real estate and buildings was ordered in 1920. It was abandoned in September 1921.

(The Army re-created a different Camp Gordon in Augusta, 150 mi away, during World War II. It was renamed Fort Gordon in 1956, and has since been renamed Fort Eisenhower.)

Naval Air Station Atlanta
In 1940, the United States government authorized construction of a military airport on the former site of the Chamblee camp. The airport began operations on March 22, 1941, a few months before the U.S. entry into World War II, as Naval Air Station Atlanta. The airport was from the county by the United States Navy.

Barracks constructed at the facility during the war became classrooms in late 1948 for Southern Technical Institute, a new engineering technology school created by Georgia Tech for former soldiers.

Naval Air Station Atlanta subsequently moved to Marietta on the south side of what is now called Dobbins Air Reserve Base. NAS Atlanta was ultimately closed by BRAC action in 2009, and became General Lucius D. Clay National Guard Center.

Like NAS Atlanta, the Southern Technical Institute moved from PDK in 1958, to land donated by Dobbins, and it now operates as Southern Polytechnic College of Engineering and Engineering Technology, a part of Kennesaw State University.

Commercial airport
The airport was converted from military to civilian use from 1957 to 1959.

In 1973, PDK was the site of a Learjet crash, resulting in seven fatalities. It was determined that the crash resulted from "[t]he loss of engine thrust during takeoff due to ingestion of birds by the engines, resulting in loss of control of the airplane." The aircraft struck an apartment building and burned in a complex just south of the airport. Large flocks of birds were attracted to an adjacent DeKalb County landfill (operational in summer 1962 and finally closed in early 1975), which had become a flight safety issue long before the crash, after several minor bird strikes in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

Facilities and aircraft
Dekalb–Peachtree Airport covers an area of 745 acres (301 ha) at an elevation of 1,003 feet (306 m) above mean sea level. It has three runways: 3R/21L (formerly 2R/20L) is 6,001 by 100 feet (1,829 x 30 m) with a concrete surface; 3L/21R (formerly 2L/20R) is 3,746 by 150 feet (1,142 x 46 m) with an asphalt surface; and 16/34, which is 3,968 by 150 feet (1,209 x 46 m) with an asphalt surface. It also has one helipad designated H1 with a concrete surface measuring 56 by 56 feet (17 x 17 m).

For the 12-month period ending December 31, 2021, the airport had 158,104 aircraft operations, an average of 433 per day: 75% transient general aviation and 25% local general aviation.. At that time there were 306 aircraft based at this airport: 213 single-engine, 21 multi-engine, 58 jet, 12 helicopter, and 2 gliders.

The airport has over 100 hangars. It is the second-busiest airport in Georgia, behind Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL), in the number of flight operations per year and is the seventh-busiest general aviation (non-airline) airport in the US. PDK helps to relieve ATL of smaller-aircraft traffic. It is used by helicopters for metro Atlanta's four major network-affiliated television stations (WAGA-TV, WANF, WSB-TV, and WXIA-TV) as the base for electronic news gathering from the air. PDK is also home to The AutoPILOT Magazine, an advertorial publication covering all things aviation-related. A new control tower was built in 1988, and stands at 130 ft tall. Many of the old NAS Atlanta buildings still remain. The largest houses offices for PDK administration, flight schools, and the Civil Air Patrol, as well as the Downwind restaurant, with an aviation-themed decor and an open deck overlooking the active runways. Adjacent to that building is a children's playground, Georgia's first aviation park.

In late 2018, the first EMAS installed in Georgia was added to runway 3R/21L.

Epps Aviation, the airport's full service fixed-base operator, is located on 21 acre in a modern facility, elsewhere on the airport grounds.

Economic impact
In 1997, DeKalb Peachtree Airport was one of the largest tax contributors of DeKalb County, behind The Southern Company and Bellsouth, but receives no taxpayer dollars for operations. The 1997 study funded by the airport found that in addition to 762 aviation-related jobs at the airport, there may be 3,600 non-airport jobs driven by airport activities like taxi drivers and cleaning personnel.

Accidents

 * On February 26, 1973, a Learjet crashed trying to return to the airport after suffering a bird strike after takeoff. See 1973 DeKalb–Peachtree Airport Learjet crash.
 * On May 14, 2016, a biplane crashed into the ground at the “Good Neighbor Day” air show whilst trying to pull up from a loop de loop. The one pilot was killed in the accident.

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Talk:Tim Horton

Revisions
December 12, 2005.

I added a reference to Tim Horton's time spent with the St. Michael's College Majors and a reference to the fact that he ranks 14th in the NHL for most games played. I changed "considerable strength" to "legendary strength". Every site I visited regarding Tim Horton made reference to how incredibly strong he was. I also corrected the statement that Horton's number was retired by the Toronto Maple Leafs. Technically, the number is only "honoured", not retired. The Leafs have a policy of not retiring numbers.

The majority of this information can be found on the hockey hall of fame website.

With regards to His death on the QEW, it wasn't at Stoney Creek, but rather in St Catherines, just beyond the bridge over the Martindale Creek (Henley Regatta course)....Bacl-presby 22:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Feb 17, 2006. Horton was never proved to have been taking pain killers for his jaw. That was speculation. Ron Joyce, his business partner, was quoted saying he saw him take pills but it appears that Joyce simply assumed they were pain killers. In fact, the autopsy report strongly suggests that Horton was taking Dexamyl ("Purple Heart") which was a prescription amphetamine cut with a barbituate to take the edge off. (The barbituate would stay in the blood even after the dexadrine was cleared.)

This is an important distinction as it suggests Horton may have used speed to compete in the NHL at the end of his career. Understandable, considering he was 44 at the time.

More importantly, Horton was legally drunk when he died, with a .17 blood alcohol reading, more than twice the .08 limit that came into force in Ontario in 1969.

Also, Horton injured his jaw in a practice in Buffalo, not a game. And, call me picky, but... it was never "confirmed" he was speeding. That was from a police witness. Also, there is no evidence he was killed instantly. He was declared DOA at the hospital in St. Catherines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.40.64 (talk) 05:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Apr 26, 2006. Can you please clear up how the Maple Leafs honoured Tim Horton? It is very ambiguous at the moment, and is not clear at all on how Tim Horton was honoured. (by User:64.229.176.115 - please use the 4 tildes method to sign talk items)
 * Updated to clarify this somewhat - Leafs only retired 2 numbers, after which they stopped doing so. Presumably this always involves ceremonies at Leafs games e.g. Tim Horton & King Clancy. Dl2000 22:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

November 30, 2006

I just wanted to comment on an error or misunderstanding about the autopsy report on Horton. The information on this page indicates that no pain killers were found in Horton's body as was believed before. The information on this page also says amobarbital was found in his system. I looked into the definition of this drug and it clearly indicates this drug has analgestic properties ( in other words PAIN KILLERS). Doesn't this completely contradict the article. Did Horton have pain killers in his system or not?? This information on this page does not provide the answer and just confuses the reader.

J.L. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.32.251 (talk) 04:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Jan. 2, 2007 The pills found near his body were Dexamyl, which was a prescription drug that combined amobarbital and dextroamphetamine. The dextro would have cleared his blood first, which is probably why it didn't show up on the blood test but the amobarbital did. Dexamyl was NOT prescribed as a pain-killer. It was marketed towards housewives who needed an energy boost without the anxiety that straight dexadrine can cause. Dexamyl became popular as a recreational drug and was nicknamed "Purple Hearts," popular with celebs of the day (Andy Warhol among them). I agree this should be reworded, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.105.106 (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Autopsy report
Why did the fact that Horton was twice over the blood-alcohol limit not come out until 30 years after Horton's death? I'm not Canadian, and of course things may be done differently there, but certainly here (the UK) if someone this famous died like this and it turned out he'd been drink-driving, I'd expect that fact to become common knowledge (and all over the media) at the time of the inquest, not years and years later. Loganberry (Talk) 22:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I can answer that... Under Ontario law, an autopsy is considered personal information and cannot be disclosed. However, the privacy provision expires 30 years after the subject's death. Thus, it became a public document in Feb. 2004. Its details were not known until the following year, when the Ottawa Citizen obtained the document through the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act. There was no inquest in the Horton death because no one else was injured or killed. Also, this was a different age and impaired driving did not then carry the same stigma it (rightly) does today. Although rumours about his drinking that night that surfaced about 15 years later, it wasn't widely known at the time of the accident. Indeed, in the days that followed the crash, one newspaper quoted an unnamed source in the Coroner's office who said the autopsy detected no alcohol in Horton's blood. At that moment, that was technically true -- the blood test was done a week after the autopsy and the results were not yet known. Of course, when the test was completed, it showed plenty of booze. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.197.82.203 (talk) 13:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Changed to "co-founder"
Ron Joyce was his partner. He did not found the company by himself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.114.107.77 (talk) 04:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

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GA?
Hi. I'm thinking about taking this article to GA status. There are some things we need to fix up as well, especially the biography section and all dead citations must be replaced. Any other concerns should be posted here. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:17, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I completely re-wrote the section about his death a few months ago. It's accurate and well-sourced (I found one dead link today though).  Thanks for doing this.  Magnolia677 (talk) 19:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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cleaned it up a little. I want to remove the negative stuff, but I guess that's not the Wikiedia way. This should be rechecked before the tag is removed. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim  00:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Reference for "went too far"
Regarding the hit on Pierre Turgeon, there should be a reference. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Added one, though a better one for the whole section than for that particular quote. Though the whole section really needed a citation too. Neil Hunt (talk) 19:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Decline?
The article contains these somewhat contradictory statements: "Hunter was traded to the Washington Capitals in return for a draft pick used to select Joe Sakic." and "His leaving made Quebec very sad, and was seen as an obvious "mistake" linked to the team's future decline." Now, setting aside the accuracy of the statements or the sources they come from, or that it may violate NPOV, but does anyone in their right mind think Sakic-for-Hunter was a bad trade for the Quebec/Colorado organization? Sakic topped 100 points two years after the trade, whereas Hunter never topped 80. 24.79.89.131 (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps repetitious but prone to vandalism
At least 4 unhelpful (biased) edits have been made to the Turgeon incidemt, and I have fixed 2 of them. This needs to be more carefully monitored. While perhaps "vicious attack" was too strong, given the physical nature of Ice Hockey, the severe discipline for the incident speaks for itself. Hunter was lucky that he did not cause more serious injury. -- The incident seems less vulnerable down in "controversies" but bears inclusion above as it affected his playing status at Washington. It is, arguably, Hunter's most prominent notoriety outside the cities where he played and coached.2600:8807:4813:E000:E400:92A8:1653:CE31 (talk) 00:47, 2 March 2021 (UTC) dfiifnik not logged in

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sitelite

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete copyvio. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:17, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Sitelite
commerial advertisement Unsigned vote from 207.104.145.80.

Note: Deleted after listing on Copyright problems--Duk 23:15, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It's also a copyvio from . I've blanked it and put up the copyvio notice but I've kept the VfD nomination header. - Lucky 6.9 22:20, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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John Newton (engineer)

John Newton (August 24, 1823 – May 1, 1895) was a career officer in the United States Army, a Union general in the American Civil War, and Chief of the Corps of Engineers.

Early life
Newton was born in Norfolk, Virginia, a city his father Thomas Newton, Jr. represented in the U.S. Congress for 31 years. He ranked second in the United States Military Academy class of 1842 and was commissioned in the Corps of Engineers. He taught engineering at the Military Academy (1843–46) and constructed fortifications along the Atlantic coast and Great Lakes (1846–52). He was a member of a special Gulf Coast defense board (1856) and Chief Engineer, Utah Expedition (1858).

Civil War
Though a fellow Virginian, Newton stood firm for the Union. He helped construct Washington defenses and led a brigade in the Peninsula Campaign. In the Maryland Campaign, at South Mountain, he led a bayonet charge that resulted in taking the enemy position, and also fought at the Battle of Antietam.

As a division commander in the VI Corps, he participated in the Battle of Fredericksburg. After that disastrous defeat, he and other generals journeyed to see President Abraham Lincoln and informed him of their lack of confidence in Army of the Potomac commander, Maj. Gen. Ambrose E. Burnside. This was one of the causes of Burnside's relief in January 1863, but it also damaged Newton's career. He was promoted to major general on March 30, 1863, but Congress never officially confirmed it and the promotion expired a year later.

In the Chancellorsville Campaign, Newton was wounded at Salem Church. At Gettysburg, George Meade named Newton to command of the I Corps after John F. Reynolds was killed in the battle. Command of the corps had fallen to Abner Doubleday, the ranking division commander, but Meade had little regard for Doubleday's fighting ability, dating back to South Mountain, so Meade preferred Newton to command it instead. Newton commanded the I Corps until the start of the Overland Campaign in the spring of 1864, when the I Corps was dissolved and its remnants divided among the II and V Corps. At this point, Newton reverted to the rank of brigadier general and was sent west to serve with William T. Sherman.

In the Atlanta Campaign, he commanded the 2nd Division, IV Corps, in Maj. Gen. George H. Thomas's command. He served under Sherman, who regarded him highly. At the Battle of Peachtree Creek, he prevented a dangerous Confederate movement against Sherman and his rapidly constructed works allowed him to turn back the Confederate thrust, a victory that put his official military career back on track.

After the capture of Atlanta, Newton left active field duty and commanded the District of Key West and the Tortugas of the Department of the Gulf from 1864 to 1866. His last campaign resulted in a defeat at the Battle of Natural Bridge in Florida in March 1865, which temporarily enabled the Confederates to hold on to the state capital.

Postbellum career
Returning to the Corps of Engineers, Newton oversaw improvements to the waterways around New York City, into Vermont, and to the Hudson River above Albany. This work is covered in detail in the 2021 book by Thomas Barthel Opening the East River: John Newton and the Blasting of Hell Gate. He also had charge of New York Harbor defenses until he was appointed Chief of Engineers in 1884. He is famed for blowing up two of New York's Hell Gate Rocks, the three acre Hallet's Point Reef with 50,000 pounds of a nitroglycerine compound and the nine acre Flood Rock with 282,730 pounds of dynamite on October 10, 1885, that detonation destroying 730,935,900 pounds of rock. For his extraordinary achievements, he was elected to the prestigious National Academy of Sciences. Newton retired from the Army in 1886 after forty-four years of service, a year short of mandatory retirement at age 64. He served as Commissioner of Public Works, New York City (1886–88), and as President of the Panama Railroad Company (1888–95). Newton died in New York City on May 1, 1895, of complications from heart disease and rheumatism. He was buried at Calvary Cemetery in Woodside, Queens on May 4, 1895, and then reburied at West Point on June 14, 1895.

In 1886, he was awarded the Laetare Medal by the University of Notre Dame, the oldest and most prestigious award for American Catholics. Newton had converted to Catholicism from Protestantism.

In 1899, the Corps of Engineers named a 175-foot paddlewheeler in Newton's honor; the boat was later used as the Minnesota Centennial Showboat until its destruction by fire in 2000.

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