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Talk:Martin St. Louis

Why was the page moved?
Google results heavily favor Martin St. Louis as the correct spelling/punctuation for his name. I only saw one result in roughly the first four pages of results that gave his last name as "St-Louis". --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I believe that's how they spell it in French. I frankly don't care either way, although if I had to choose I would put it back to St. Louis. [[Image:Flag of Croatia.svg|20px]] Croat Canuck [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] 02:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok. I'll move it back.  Per WP:NAME, "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." --Idont Havaname (Talk) 04:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

This article could really use a rewrite ...

Wrong draft info
Martin St. Louis was NOT drafted into the NHL because he was considered to be too small. He signed as a free agent with Calgary in 1998. According to the article, St. Louis was drafted 62nd overall in 1997 by Calgary which is untrue. The 62nd overall pick in 1997 belonged to Philadelphia and they drafted defenceman Kris Malette. (check this site)

"Martin St. Louis was NOT drafted into the NHL because he was considered to be too small" he was never in the NHL draft. he played college hockey at UVM. the NHL draft is only for 20 and under north American players and 1st time euros of any age. he was 21 years old when he graduated UVM, meaning he was TOO OLD and INELIGIBLE for the draft. there was no possibility of anyone drafting a 21 year old, whether he is 4' tall or 8' tall. you can't draft 21 year old north American players, PERIOD. that issue has been resolved maybe a hundred times on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.204.251 (talk • contribs)
 * St. Louis was eligible for the NHL draft in both his 18 and 19 year old seasons, and he was passed over for the reason stated in the article. By the time he had graduated UVM, he was of course too old for the draft, which is why he was a free agent at that point. Resolute 14:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

in order to passed over in the draft he would have to be IN the draft. he was at UVM at 17. he was not in the draft. he was not passed over in the draft because he was not in the draft. you can't be drafted if you are not in the draft. they don't just randomly go around drafting people. this is like saying I was not elected president in an article about me. I never ran for president so the comment is completely irrelevant. your point in saying he was undrafted, and further argued by your claim he was "passed over", is that he entered the draft and was not drafted. this is FALSE. if you want to include anything about the draft, just say he never entered it. an NHL team that involuntarily drafted a college player would be completely wasting that pick, because the player becomes a free agent in june after graduating, as marty did. marty graduated and was thus a free agent upon graduation. even if a player enters the draft and decides to go to college instead, he still becomes a free agent after he graduates and owes the nhl team nada. wasted pick. st. Louis already was playing at UVM before he was eligible for the draft. MLB and NHL don't work like NFL and NBA.

 * Regardless of when he was not drafted or why, there is no reason to remove that statement from the lead. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

the reason to remove it is because the NHL can't force someone already in college to play pro hockey. it's a wasted pick as the player becomes a free agent after graduating. marty was already playing in college before becoming draft eligible — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.204.251 (talk) 18:46, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * So? It doesn't change the fact that he was not drafted, and it is noteworthy to mention that such an elite player was undrafted, and to also indicate how he came to join the NHL. You are on the verge of breaking the WP:3R rule for edit-warring, so don't remove it again without a very good reason. Up to now your reasons have not been applicable. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

 * You are reading something into the statement that is not there, and you are basing your opinions on faulty assumptions. St Louis, like all players, becomes draft eligible in his 18-year-old season. In this case, that would have been after his Junior A season.  Players are eligible for two seasons - so his second year of eligibility was his first year in college.  He went unselected both times.  At that point he became a free agent for the NHL's purposes.  Additionally, drafting college players is no more "a wasted pick" than drafting junior players are.  If you draft a junior and he does not sign within two years, you lose his rights.  Long story short, the fact that St. Louis was too old for the draft at the time he graduated college is utterly irrelevant to the fact that he went unselected when he was eligible to be drafted.  The statement that he went undrafted is actually a positive one: that he carved out a great career despite the fact that the NHL didn't seriously consider him a prospect at 18/19. Resolute 19:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you are comparing the NHL draft to the NBA and NFL drafts which do not operate in the same way. For the NBA and NFL a collage player must declare that he will enter the draft, which signifies the end of his eligibility to return to college athletics for all intensive purposes. In the NHL once a person is 18 they are eligible to be drafted by a team. The Buffalo Sabres technically drafted a fictional person in 1974. If a current college player or high school-er entering college is drafted by an NHL team he can still participate in NCAA athletics, while the draft team will retain his rights for two years. --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 23:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Changing the main photo
The current picture at the top of the article is straight-up bad. It's yellowish, and St.Louis' facial expression is so unflattering, you'd think a Tampa hater picked it.

The one used to illustrate the "Tampa Bay Lightning (2000-2014) section is of much better quality, and is the one used for this article in several other pages. Could it be possible to use that one instead? Florence and the Codeine (talk) 01:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

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Permission for number
Did Steen need special permission to wear #10 on his jersey, since it's an "honoured number"? --Madchester 22:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Nationality Issue
Alex Steen is born in Canada, but with Swedish parents and moved back to Sweden when dad retired. He has lived most of his life in Sweden, played for Swedish youth teams, played for Sweden in youth/junior tournaments and was captain of the Swedish WJC team. Hdw 13:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Gah, foot-in-mouth :/ To clarify and possibly help others avoid it.

From: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam020623/col_buffery-sun.html

-- Young Alexander stickhandled into the world in 1984, in Winnipeg, and he lived in Canada until he was 12, when his father signed to play in the German League in Berlin. Three years after that, the family moved on to Sweden. So while he is listed as a European in Central Scouting, Steen is, in fact, a dual citizen.

"I consider myself half Swedish and half Canadian," Steen said yesterday, shortly after donning his Leafs jersey. "This feels really good." -- Hdw 13:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

But, he respresents Sweden internationally therefore, despite holding dual citizenship, he should be considered to be Swedish. He will represent Sweden at the IIHF World Championship.

Norum 12 Apr 2007
 * Why not just add that he represents Sweden in international play? I feel that's a pretty fair compromise....--Wafulz 22:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

A Canadian can not play for Sweden. That is, since he plays for Sweden he is Swedish. This is always the case. It doesn't matter if he has dual nationality. He is a Swedish hockey player because he plays for Sweden. --Lilyserbia (talk) 23:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

 * A Canadian CAN play for Sweden, or another country. He is a dual-citizen, which means he is both a Swedish citizen and a Canadian citizen. He is both Swedish and Canadian. To say he's only Swedish is just preposterous. In this year's Olympics, there were 3 players on Team Germany who were Canadian citizens and moved to Germany as adults. Aoystreck (talk) 01:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice bump. It's irrelevant now since we have removed the nationality field from the infobox and replaced it with international representation. Cheers! —Krm500 (Communicate!) 04:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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"Missing"
Is Stevens missing from play, or missing as in Bill Barilko?

 * No he's still alive ,for the last half of the 2003-04 season, Stevens had been out with post-concussion syndrome. After the 2004-05 NHL lockout, Stevens retired September 6th ,2005. Mightberight/wrong 25 October 2005

Wait a second
Doesnt it say stevens was the best "stay at home" defensemen and then it ays he was selected for hi offensive abilities???? :S

Devils captains succession box
Scott Stevens' immediate successor is Patrik Elias. Scott Niedermayer served as 'interim' captain (Jan-Apr 2004) during Stevens captaincy tenure (while Stevens was injured/out of lineup). GoodDay 19:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, Stevens' captaincy (as far as NHL seasons are concerned) ended upon the conclusion of the 2003-04 NHL season, even though Stevens retired in September 2005. Why? The 2004-05 NHL season never existed. GoodDay (talk) 21:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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I Politically and morally object to the use of the photo of Scott Steven with g.w. bush.
I politically and morally object to the use of the photo of Scott Steven with g.w. bush. It is not fair because it has political implications and does not dignify the heroic career of Scott Stevens. It diminishes his legacy. g.w. bush has nothing to do with anything good at all let alone the career of Captain Stevens.The person who chose this picture should understand my point about the legacy of an NHL hall of famer being soiled by linking his entire career to a man who's legacy is hurtful and undignified. Please remove this pic at once!!!!!!

Here is a better picture to use :Http://cdn.nhl.com/devils/images/upload/2007/06/4cup3.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samoht nedoow (talk • contribs) 08:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, GWB fan? you're not. GoodDay (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, that's not a free image that you posted. Secondly, there are no "political implications" of the photo.  I'm no Dubya fan, but the fact is he's President, and the Devils had a ceremony at the White House where he received a jersey given to him by the captain.  Wikipedia is a place for neutral discussion and theoretically mature work, not the complaints of one or two disgruntled people who hate Bush.  Grow up, and until you do, don't edit Wikipedia. Anthony Hit me up... 21:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In agreement. GoodDay (talk) 23:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

A photo of George W. Bush is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the playing career of Scott Stevens. The Photo implies that Stevens is a bush supporter, or that the Devils organization are bush supporters. The article is about a professional hockey player, a photo of him in uniform executing his art is what should be there, either that, a photo of him in celebration with the Stanley Cup. Why is this photo still up? Someone please change it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain Scott Stevens (talk • contribs) 20:55, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

 * As much as I agree with the desire to remove one of my least-liked people from the article for one of my favorite people, this problem can be solved simply by arguing for good aesthetics. The image is really a terrible depiction of Scott Stevens. He's not even the subject of the image and there are an absurd number of people around him. This image needs to be changed. Does anyone have a free image of him somewhere? I might, but I can't guarantee it. Flickr might be a very good resource.  JHMM13 (Disc) 19:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I'll agree that it is an off subject photo and would certianly prefer one with stevens in uniform or at least the actual subject of the photo. However there are many photos on wiki were the subject of the article is not the main subject of the photo, the subject is not flying the colors he is famous for, the photo is grainy, off color, or low rez. I'd suggest requesting a free photo of Scott, or putting a request or bounty on on is someone is that upset with the current image. and if a better image of Stevens can be found, then we can discuss themChildhoodtrauma (talk) 20:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Nickname
Saving nicknames and sources for future use in prose. Mr. Devil, Bam Bam -Djsasso (talk) 01:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone Please replace this photo!
I would'nt expect to look up george w. bush and see him in a photo with some one out side his field. The person who chose the photo of Scott Stevens with bush for the main photo HAS OBVIOUS POLITICAL AFILIATIONS that do not reflect the views of Scott Stevens and most of his fans. Someone please put a new photo up for Scott Stevens, one that epitomises his career and not glorifies the pitiful career of someone who has nothing to do with hockey, Scott Stevens or the NJ Devils.Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samoht nedoow (talk • contribs) 09:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia's image policy only allow "free images", this is the only free image we have of Stevens so unfortunately we can not change the image to something more fitting say an image of him playing for the Devils, unless it has a free license. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 11:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I added this image because it was the only free image I could find. Also, whether you like Bush or not, it's a great honour to meet the leader of United States, and several other athletes have done so (see File:Stanley_Cup_Red_Wings_and_Bush.jpg, File:Stanley_Cup_Ducks_Bush_Speech.jpg, File:Stanley_Cup_Ducks_and_Bush_Scott_Neids_crop.jpg .-Wafulz (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Nominating for GA
After reading this article, I believe that it's good enough to be GA-class. Putting up for nomination. --Sportskido8 (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Good News!
I spoke to Bill G. of DevilsRule.com and he's letting us use 3 high quality photos of Scott Stevens for this article. I'll get them in shortly. --Sportskido8 (talk) 18:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Nice work. These are good photos.-Wafulz (talk) 04:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

new section???
What about international recognition? he was inducted into the Slovak Hockey Hall of Fame as he is a first generation Slovak Canadian... also it would be nice to see some stats from his team Canada play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.224.61 (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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Born and raised in St Thomas
He was born and raised in St. Thomas, ask anyone. Look for your selves.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shmoked (talk • contribs) 04:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace
Was he born in London, or St. Thomas? Adam Bishop 08:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

He was born in London, Ontario. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.126.105 (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

No Sorry. He was born in St. Thomas. Maybe if you saw all the signs when entering the city you would understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.180.52 (talk) 01:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, if you actually drive to St. Thomas (where I'm from) you'll see signs everywhere! Ask anybody in St. Thomas for your self. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radiostivieslug (talk • contribs) 06:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

 * BORN in London, LIVED in Lynhurst. -- Natural  R X 05:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Having grown up in Aylmer, Ontario (a few miles east of St. Thomas) and being only a year younger than Joe Thornton (I even remember the man being an absolute goof in high school) I can vouch that Joe Thornton was born, AND raised in St. Thomas (Lynhurst was just a SMALL part of his life). —Preceding unsigned comment added by HardRetro (talk • contribs) 20:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

POV issues
There are some very biased statements on this page.

Specifically: "He is known for being one of the league's best young centers and power forwards of limitless potential. Nicknamed "Jumbo Joe" for his large-body frame, Thornton is well-recognized for his passing prowess, incredible on-ice vision, and ability to make silky-smooth plays."

Opinions of him were not nearly so glowing in Boston. Admittedly, he has talent. But he was considered by many to be a disappointment, never really delivering on the promised potential (drafted first overall). [there are also those who believe the guy is a huge douche bag, but that's neither here nor there..]

Naturally, there is some bias to those views as well. Also granted, he has had a lot more success in San Jose. Not knowing wiki's guidelines on things like this, it seems that both sides of the coin should be acknowledged, or the article should be a lot more neutral than it currently is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.241.217.15 (talk • contribs)
 * That can be taken care of. I'll probably get to it soon. –NeoChaosX [ talk | contribs ] 23:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Let us not all forget that he was after all named the MVP of the league. So basically it is saying he is the best in the league. I think, that based on the quotes used, then yes, the article has some bias.

I paticularily enjoy his assualt charges that tend to always get deleted...this is no biased article at all ;)

I would have thought his assault charges would be something to be proud of, his bother certainly is. Epocalypse2 (talk) 13:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

There certainly do appear to be some POV issues. Additionally, as a Biography, this article appears to be horribly under-referenced. Added a bunch of areas where facts could be cited, along with the and  tags. Going to try to come back and clean this up myself. EDIT: By the way, I want to clarify that by no means do I think that this page should be removed (as certainly Joe is a notable player) and I'm also not disputing any of the facts listed, as I've been a season ticket holder with the Sharks since '02(How far have we come?). Still, for someone coming to this page as a reference, they should have the warnings about NPOV and References. Gnowor (talk) 15:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

2009-10 paragraph
That paragraph is overly bloated & sloppily done. Anybody care to simplfy it? GoodDay (talk) 22:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I made an edit or two before I noticed people were already talking about the problems I had with the article here. Even as a huge Joe Thornton fan, it's obvious that the whole 2009 season description is bloated and I could barely stand reading the entire wall of text.

I'm new to editing and didn't think it would be proper for me to wade through and simplify it to reach some sort of unbiased standard, so I guess I'll leave it to someone else. Darryljnixon (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Playoff Failures
There is no mention on his poor play in the NHL playoffs. This is one of the defining characteristics of Joe Thornton, and there is no mention of it in this article. --XeF4 (talk) 03:31, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned a few times in both the Boston Bruins and the San Jose Sharks sections. --Onorem♠Dil 03:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it needs to be expanded a lot. --XeF4 (talk) 07:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So long as whats expanded is not based on fan opinion (OR), and based on relibale sourcing (which seems to have already covered the issues) Id have no issue with expansion. Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

serious quality control
This paragraph: The Sharks once again came in to the 2010 playoffs with expectations as high as last season coming up against the 8 seeded Colorado. They were beat 2-1 by a last minute goal in game 1, in the first round and were down 1-0. Looking to avoid going down 2-0 the Sharks immediately answered back with a game 2 victory 6-5 thriller in overtime with Thornton getting 2 assists. Yet, that was only 1 of the 2 games where Joe got a point, but the Sharks eventually went on to defeat Colorado 4-2 with the help of Setoguchi and Pavelski. The Sharks were coming to face the defending Western Conference Champions, the Detroit Red Wings, where the Sharks were actually the underdog to the 5th seeded Detroit as the Sharks were defeated 3 times by Detroit in the season and only got one win on Detroit in a 2-2 game that went on to the shootout. Joe Thornton came in to this series with a complete breakout as he got an assist in games 1 and 4, a goal and assist in games 2, 3, and 5, as the Sharks eventually were to beat the favored Detroit 4-1 and advance to the Western Conference finals for the second time in franchise history, as the sharks were only 4 games away from the Stanley Cup. Chicago, however, neutralised Thornton, as well as Setoguchi, Pavelski, Heatley, and Marleau with their great defense as the Sharks were swept by the Blackhawks. The Sharks still ended up with arguably one of their greatest seasons in Franchise history. Seems to be completely opinionated and does not fit in with the rest of the article it should either be rewritten or totally deleted99.231.232.207 (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC) 03:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Back to back 90 assist seasons
He never got back to back 90 assist seasons. did nobody even look at his stats — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.227.126 (talk)
 * Looking at his stats...it appears that he did. Please note that in one of the 90 assist seasons, the total is split between 2 teams. --Onorem♠Dil 16:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Scott Thornton (ice hockey)

Scott
I understand if you are too busy but as we share the same last name you have been my boy since you were drafted to Toronto. I really want to get a Jersey signed by you. How can I make this happen? I have four girls I am trying to get to play minor league and your help would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.238.5.53 (talk) 08:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Jordin Tootoo

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Robidas incident of March 17, 2007
This section is likely to be a point of contention. A "sucker punch" is unexpected, and surely Robidas did not expect the blow, but the violence was compounded by the circumstance of Robidas' hard skate at Tootoo as he was turning around. "Sucker punch" implies a sneakiness or forethought that could not have been the case in the very short duration of this circumstance.
 * I've removed it - it's not permanently encyclopedic - even the game writeup barely mentions it - it has one sentence under "Game Notes" on ESPN.com . A double-minor for roughing is not worthy of space on Wikipedia. Yankees76 04:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity
It's well know that Tootoo is of Inuit background, but someone at the page Ukrainian Canadian claimed his mother was of Ukrainian background. Can anyone comment on this? Kevlar67 10:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt it, but it might be true. Tootoo's family is heavily in politics, and lots of Inuit have mixed background.  He's Hunter Tootoo cousin and George Hickes' nephew.  His family looks pretty Inuit to me, although a photo is no proof. --Diderot 13:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, actually on further research, there are certainly enough websites saying that his mother is Ukrainian, including a NY Times article. Heh - who knew? --Diderot 13:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I am fairly sure that his mother is Ukrainian. I know of a Ukrainian organization that was trying to get him as a speaker back in 2004 because of this.  -- JamesTeterenko 16:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I knew the family personally, and yes, his mother is definately of Ukrainian descent. Good Ninja
 * so why is his name in Inuktituk and not also in Ukrainian? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Bias
This page makes him seem like one of the NHL's top players... I think it needs a little work done, considering Tootoo is a disgrace to hockey... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Burgz33 (talk • contribs).

 * Where did you get that vibe from? I don't see anything that claims him to be one of the nhl's top players.--E tac 05:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, can you point out the bits that lead to the idea that he's one of the top players. And at the same time provide a source for the disgrace remark? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Besides his stats, he just got suspended for 5 games for punching a player.. sounds like a disgrace to me. Hes got such an elaborate page when other league players like Jan von Arx (HC DAVOS) don't even have one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgz33 (talk • contribs)
 * Are we talking about same Davos team that boasts such NHL "stars" as Alexandre Daigle, Josef Marha and Yves Sarault? You may argue all you like, but Jordin Tootoo skates circles around Jan Von Arx - however you're more than welcome to create and article for him. Don't forget to add a section about his 6-month drug suspension from June 2006 though.
 * Tootoo has represented his country and is the first Inuk player to play in the NHL. He's a hero to his people - Von Arx hasn't even been drafted, and never will be. Yankees76 03:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Tootoo is a hero to his people by doing late hits and when he actually DOES drop the gloves(rare, he likes to skate around and make other teams take penalties) He gets his ass beat. So MANY NHL Players have played for the Davos. Reto van Arx played with the Blackhawks for a brief amount of time, and Josef Marha is freaking incredible for a person of his caliber. You can't compare a forward to a defenseman, anyway. Tootoo - 108 NHL Games::18 Points Marha - 159 NHL Games::53 Points R. van Arx - 19 NHL Games::4 Points Daigle - 616 NHL Games::327 Points J. van Arx - 386 Games (With Davos)::87 Points (Pretty damn good for a defenseman whos only 5'7") Tootoo = Disgrace New NHL Rules = Disgrace Any Tootoo fan = Disgrace

I would of loved to see Tootoo play against Tie Domi, Tony Twist, Reed Low, etc, etc.

Learn your facts, little ones. ---burgz. 07:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Just found this. Tootoo getting owned by Reed Low. http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Pvn_b8lSz8 --- This is what happens when you face people who drop the gloves for a living. ---burgz. 07:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * OK could you please leave out the personal attacks and racist remarks. Please read No personal attacks. Again, can you please point out the parts of the article that indicate he is one of the best players in the NHL? I'm not a great supporter of Tootoo but edit tthis page because it fits in with my interests. So if it does indicate that he is one of the best players in the NHL then I want it changed. All you have done is make comparisions between him and other players. There are plenty of great sites where you could do that but this isn't it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree this argument is ridiculous, and I'm not even sure why we're comparing a current NHLer with past players/draft busts or career minor leaguers. There's nothing in this article that indicates Tootoo is anything that he isn't, and there's certainly no bias either. And as per WP:LIVING, Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space - meaning that all this POV about Tootoo being a disgrace is subject to deletion at any time and will be removed. Yankees76 17:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

First off, where did I say a racist remark? You must be blind. I'm saying hes got such an elaborate page compared to the same age of players who are ten times better. How are you a supporter of one of the dirtiest players in the game? You're a disgrace. "I'm not even sure why we're comparing a current NHLer with past players/draft busts or career minor leaguers." - Yankees76 You brought it up, champ. We were talking about HC Davos and how most of there players who are ten times better than Tootoo don't even have a page. Theres been so many news stories on how Tootoo is becoming one of the most wanted men in the NHL, and how people like LaRaque say he'll piss off the wrong person. You guys aren't true hockey fans, at all. ---burgz. 21:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * You said "Tootoo is a hero to his people" and that is a racist remark. And for a second time stop with the personal attacks. For the third time would you please point out the sections/wording in the article that indicate/claim he is one of the best in the NHL. You need to read what I wrote, I never said that I was a supporter of Tootoo just that the article fitted in with my other editing interests. Perhaps you should put more effort into writing about the players you think deserve it than complaining about this article. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude, are you stupid? Yankees76 said hes a hero to his people, I was saying how.... Hes the first Inuk to play in the NHL, thus being a hero to his people even if hes just a disgraceful goon. You sir, are highly uneducated. I hope one day you can go to school and realize that when somebody says "Hes a hero to his people" Isn't racist. Last time I checked, Inuk wasn't even a race. Hes white /Caucasian. Seriously, your ignorance blows my mind. ---burgz. 22:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not an forum for personal opinions nor is it a place where you attack other people or users. I suggest that you stop immediately with your behavior or find some place else to express your thoughts and feelings. --Krm500 23:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

You want some crackers with that whine? ---burgz. 01:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Above section
Having read through the above I felt that there was nothing to be gained by prolonging this and so I tagged it with archive tags twice. However, Burgz33 reverted it both times with no explanation. I feel that due to the ongoing personal opinions and attacks on other editors, along with no valid discussion on the article, that the above section has come to a close. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

There was no reason to tag it, you were wrong, just let it be. If you think the phrase "He's a hero to his people" is racist, you are truly ignorant. Go ahead, tag whatever you wish. But just know you are pretty much wrong in every argument you make... 07:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgz33 (talk • contribs)

 * I've re-achived it. There was no reason for the tags to be removed. Also note the section is subject to deletion as it violates WP:LIVING and contains personal attacks directed at specific editors. Yankees76 16:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Article Evaluation
The 3 questions I picked to evaluate about the article of Jordin Tootoo are:

1. Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? Yes. I believe large aspects of Jordin's personal life are underrepresented in this article. There is very little mention of his late brother, which was an extremely important aspect towards shaping his life. As well as almost no mention of the book he wrote while going through a recovery faze after his rehab stint. Another point that i saw no mention of at all is the Team Tootoo foundation that he started as a non-profit.

2. Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Everything in the article is relevant to the life of Jordin. It doesnt go into great detail of his life but everything that is there is relevant from his hockey career, his presence as a Inuk native and his hard times he has faced.

3. Is there any information missing or is there any information that is outdated? The statistics they have for Jordin's NHL career are outdated in this article. The Team Tootoo foundation has no mention in this article as well as an abundance of missing information in regards to his book and how he battled back and is serving as a role model for his home community and others just like it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DQuennell (talk • contribs) 20:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Lexi Pollard - Week two assignment questions

Is each fact referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference? - No, there is a few statements that need references and none are present such as the paragraph about his time with the New Jersey Devils and a few sentences in his personal life paragraph.

Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you? - No everything is pretty relevant. It gives a good idea as to who Jordan and his significance as a first nations athlete.

Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position? - there is no bias or opinion towards him as a person at any time. There is just straight facts about him and what he has done as a first nation athlete in Canada.

Where does the information come from? Are these neutral sources? If biased, is that bias noted? - The information comes from multiple types of sources. Some more "wiki acceptable" than some others. Some are scholarly articles that talk about Tootoo which are reputable and others not so much such as blog posts. Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? His trading within other teams and his journey was strongly overrepresented and tied into a lot of other things such as his personal life and how that affected him.

Check a few citations. Do the links work? Is there any close paraphrasing or plagiarism in the article? Yes all the links work. They bring my directly to the sources that are being referenced. There is a few sentences that could be considered plagiarism that are used and would help if the effort was put in to reword it differently, that would bring this article to the next level. Polla113 (talk) 02:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Personal Life
I heard he be courting Ms. Kellie Pickler

Nickname
Saving nickname and source for future use in prose. The TooToo Train -Djsasso (talk) 01:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:The Tripods

the 1700s?
the 1700s were not a period of technological stagnation. i don't understand WHAT you are talking about

I think the point is that people are living in the equivalent of this time period but because of mind control have no means to advance beyond this. --ChrisJMoor 15:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Images lost ?
What happened to the images ? Rama 21:56, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * (16 years later) Is someone going to answer User:Rama? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 20:58, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

City location?

 * "... (The Tripods, it turns out, actually have three cities: one near Berlin, ..."
 * "... the Tripod city, which is located in a sealed, pressurized dome that sits astride a river (presumably the Rhine) ..."

There's an inconsistency here. —wwoods 03:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On a global scale, it's not inconsistent. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 04:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

From the novels and other wikipedia references, I always thought it was close to Koblenz:

 * "In John Christopher's post-apocalyptic series The Tripods, one of the three domed cities built by the alien invaders is located close to Koblenz; it is the setting of most of the second novel, The City of Gold and Lead.

--Shrekgrinch (talk) 23:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

This plot sounds VERY familiar
Did L. Ron Hubbard rip this off for his Battlefield Earth series? 68.152.95.130 18:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Having just looked at the Battlefield Earth novel's entry on Wikipedia (it's a series?!?) I'd say maybe not. (I've never read it, and don't intend to.) Keep in mind that The Tripods backstory is essentially cribbed from H.G. Wells' "War of the Worlds," as noted in the article. Hubbard could have done the same, but there's no mention of it there. Science fiction abounds with post-apoc alien occupation stories. salamurai 19:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Historical analogue
Could somebody comment on the similarity between the Tripod occupation and World War II? Is there a critical source which says this? 71.199.114.44 17:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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Love interest
In the TV series section, the article notes the following "divergence" between the book and the movie: "... love interests for both Will and Beanpole. The original texts have almost no female characters at all." However, under the plot of "The White Mountains", it's stated: "Will forms a strong relationship with their preteen daughter, Eloise, and is heartbroken when Eloise ... must then go off to serve the Tripods in their domed city." Then under The Cities of the Masters in Vocabulary it says: "The cities include ... a display of taxidermically preserved humans. It is here that Will discovers the horribly preserved body of Eloise, ... arranged in an array of red-headed females ... to demonstrate the variations in human hair color."

Again, I don't have the books to hand to give exact citations, nor have I read them in the last few years, but I pretty well recall that a key plot element of "The White Mountains" was Will's falling in love with the aforementioned French girl Eloise, who nursed him back to health, and then in "The City of Gold and Lead" that the motivation for him to finally struggle to escape the Masters' city was his finding her preserved body in a museum, as discussed above. In the meantime, I'm also slapping a   tag on that sentence. --Eliyahu S Talk 22:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "almost no female characters" implies there is at least one. A display of preserved bodies, however, does not make them characters. I always thought the notation of Eloise in G&L was there to point up the aliens' disregard for humans but fascination with the variations in physiology, as there was no indication of sexual differences in the Masters. ( ... I'm getting off the subject.) Eloise is the only female character I recall from the story, other than mothers, which were incidental. The prequel book does have a couple of female characters in it. Salamurai 02:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * While "almost no" does admit of an exception, that was not the main thrust of my remark. My point was that Will already had a "love interest" in the books, and in fact, even if Eloise was unique, Will's love for her was pivotal in his actions in two of the three books in the series: In the first book, her selection by the Masters is what wakes Will from his idyll and returns him to his original quest for a land free of the Masters; in the second book, discovering her preserved body renews his desire for vengeance, which overcomes the familiarity and comfortable accomodation he'd found with his relatively easygoing Master in the City. One could make a case for Omnia vincit Amor as a sub-theme in the books, and yet the idea of Will having a love interest is described as a "divergence" with the TV series.  Makes no sense to me.--Eliyahu S Talk 12:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Vocabulary
Vocabulary - far too much unnecessary detail???

Someone deleted a whole section. Shouldn't it be discussed first? --217.184.90.19 09:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not every edit needs to be discussed. The heading was misleading, and the section was huge. There's no need for that level of detail, Wikipedia is not an in-depth guide to the series. This article is start class for a reason. Adding large chunks of redundant info (most of it is expressed concisely further up the page) will not improve the article. Geoff B 09:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a remarkable similarity of the Tripods' shape and the machines used by the martians in HG Wells' War of the Worlds, sheer conincidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.179.128 (talk) 18:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Author John Christopher used tripods as a way to pay tribute to HG Wells' story. Michael24 13:02, 8 February 2008
 * The 2003 edition of The White Mountains, The author discuss the process of how the book came to be, in which he had already rewritten the book multiple time and had the final version accepted by both his US and UK publishers before he realized he had subconsciously cribbed from War of the Worlds, he wasn't even sure if they were going to be sentient machines or vehicles when he had ended the first book. He was only consensuses that he was working as deviated works with the latter books --Roguebfl (talk) 22:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Section 1.2 : The White Mountains (1967) states that the book The White Mountains has an unsophisticated vocabulary. Well, words in the book include "acquiescence", "arabesques", "reverberated", "ululation", "sacrosanct", and "corrugations". Somebody should probably delete that statement. Hplink941225 (talk) 10:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with HPlink941225. The vocabulary can be quite sophisticated at times, although it is not always. - Spongefrog (talk) 18:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Dates
I'm going to eliminate all mentions of specific dates for when the books took place from the article. No specific date is mentioned in When the Tripods Came, and in The White Mountains Ozymandias tells Will it had been 100 years since the Tripods took over. —The President of Cool (talk) 00:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

In the 'White Mountains' the author does give some clues as to when the Tripods arrived. It is stated that a gravestone marked 1966 was from before the Tripods. In Britain the old currency system is still in use - this switched in 1971, and presumably the author was thinking that the invasion happened before 1971 and as a result the switch did not take place. The book was published in 1967 and it would therefore appear that the invasion was around the time the author wrote the book.

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Re-assesment
Coudn't this article be re-assessed. I think its better that Start-class. Tell me if I'm wrong, I won't do it myself. --Spongefrog (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Plot tag
The plot tag needs removing. This was mistakenly placed by a newbie with no familiarity with other articles. Then replaced, for some unknown reason by a "sympathizer" apparently recruited by the newbie. Plots here are entirely too short. There are four books, yet only a few lines per book. Usually these are addressed in four different articles with several pages each. If you are going to place a tag, it helps to be familiar with how other articles read. Student7 (talk) 16:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

 * You are making assumptions for which there is no evidence.

 * 1) Due to the rotating nature of IP's there is no evidence that it was place there by a "newbie".
 * 2) Your accusation of "recruitment" is false and offensive. I do not know the IP number that placed the tag nor have I been contacted by anyone about this page.
 * 3) Please read WP:PLOT The synopsis of the plots for each of the books is too long and full of minor detail. While this might be fun on a fan page for these books it is not encyclopedic.
 * 4) I have been editing here as long as you have and am quite familiar with how other articles read. Take a look at the old and the current plot synopsis sections for The War Games if you want to see what wikipedia guidelines are striving for. MarnetteD | Talk 17:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

 * This is an article about four books, not one book. Articles on books tend to be quite long when done properly and divulge the entire plot. See, for example, Kim (novel), The_Lion,_the_Witch_and_the_Wardrobe, Gulliver's Travels, and others. Student7 (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I think the White Mountains got reduced to nothing. Right now depending entirely too much on the lead. Needs a paragraph more at least. Maybe two. Student7 (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

War of the Worlds vs The Hunger Games
There is a section stating that The Tripods was similar to the 3 legged tripods in The War of the Worlds. While the plot of the series is entirely different, it is indeed true that in both stories they had 3 legged robotic beings. One big difference, of course, is that while in the War of the Worlds they were automatons, in The Tripods they had living beings inside operating them.

But the problem is that there is no link to the almost identical The Hunger Games. It should be mentioned, given that the similarity to the alien robots in The War of the Worlds is mentioned. Both The Hunger Games and The Tripods have societies split into 12 areas that are forced to compete in olympic games style events, and that is the whole point of both series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.223.96 (talk) 05:58, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Per No Original Research. -- MST  ☆  R   (Chat Me!) 06:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that the competition is the main plot of The Hunger Games, while it is only a very minor part in one of the books in The Tripods. --Conti|✉ 15:47, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Or more relevant The Hunger Games was published in 2008, 41 years after the first book in this,series, so unlike the War of the Worlds can't been seen as an influence on these books. If the claim is the Hunger Games was influenced by The tripods that would go on the Hunger Games entry. Roguebfl (talk) 14:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Coordinates
Why were the Lat/Long coordinates of the filming locations removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.78.81 (talk) 16:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

animated series
I remember watching an animated series on TV with the same story line, in the late 80s perhaps. But I cannot find any clues of it nowadays. Does anyone remember it? 80.187.101.24 (talk) 09:01, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Master's Bauplan
Did J.C. ever explain why he chose to make the Masters bilaterally symmetrical, rather than triradial? 2600:6C54:4100:F13C:113C:441F:C4C7:34AC (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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The Trottier family had dual canadian and us citizenship due to their native american ancestry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.164.9.186 (talk) 22:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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Bryan Trottier's page

Upon reading the introductory part of Bryan Trottier's wikipedia page, I noticed a few claims that were missing citations. As I continued to read through the article, there was a good amount of citations provided for statistics and facts, however, the lack of citing for other facts and statistics continued to be an issue. A second issue for this article continues to be an issue that revolves around citing. Under the references section, reference links number 6 and 7 do not work at all and number 10 seems to be an article that must've been out of date and removed from the data base of the publisher. The majority of the article seems to be written from a non-bias or neutral point of view, taking into consideration that Bryan was considered as one of the NHL's (National Hockey League) best players during the 1980's. The statistics justify what was written about Trottier during his active hockey playing days. The majority of the Statistics and facts used to compose this page (minus the lack of citing at some points), comes from verified or credible sources such as NHL.com, and the hockey hall of fame website. Other citations come from articles written by the teams he has helped coach which are also considered as credible sources. The rest of the citations come from a documentary about Bryan Trottier and hockey blogs about him, which may be considered reliable, but not fully valid/credible.AhmoZaitoun (talk) 05:20, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

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Edits on May 19th
On May 19th, this article has been the victim of heavy vandalism. It's so bad that it's hard to see for a non-expert what parts of the article are good faith and which ones aren't. Can an expert please take care of this? Thanks -- Bakabaka (talk) 17:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

According to a youtube video Marty majored in Education in university. Does anyone have any confirmation on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.9.43 (talk) 01:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Forward
Why does this man seem to think that he is a forward when he is obviously a goalie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ESmith01 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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Heritage
Turk Broda's father's name was Kazimierz, only a Polish or Lithuanian name! As a Polish -Canadian who grew up amongst a much larger Ukrainian community I've never heard an Ukrainian named Kazimierz. Kazimierz and Stanislaw are the two most common Polish Christian names because both are Polish Roman Catholic Saints; it would be sacreligous for an Ukrainian Greek - Catholic to give that name to their child! Walter "Turk" Broda's brother's name was Stan, the other most popular Polish christian name! Walter's relatives have written into websites that state he's Polish and his relative writers have never said he was Ukrainian! Stan and Kaz are Roman Catholic Saints (Polish), some flickin hunch, you people are being dupped!205.200.78.196 (talk) 14:54, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ...and Walter is an extremely popular Ukrainian name, so two can play this guessing game. If you have sources of his "relatives" claiming something, back it up. At the moment, it seems you're the one being duped.--Львівське (talk) 19:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So its a cited primary source vs. your hunch? You'll have to do better than 'you think his father's name sounds Polish'. --Львівське (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My paternal grandmother was a Broda, Turk's cousin, she was of Polish descent but did herself marry a Ukranian, Fred Kasurak, and went on to live in Brandon Manitoba, a largely Ukranian community until moving to Detroit Mich. & then Windsor Ont. where this branch of our family still resides. Therefore, I think it is very safe to say that Turk Broda was of Polish heritage... .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.114.251 (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The Ukrainian Weekly in 1947, a popular ukrainian-American newspaper, reported Turk Broda, Wally Stanowski, and Bill Ezinicki were PART Ukrainian, but did not consider themselves Ukrainian. I know for a fact that all three had at least POLISH fathers, Wally was referred to in Winnipeg as the Polished Pole, Bill's people went to a Polish Church and were buried in a Polish cemetary, and Walter (a much more common Polish first name than Ukrainian ( Wladyslaw ) had a father named Kazimierz, a non -Ukrainian name and a brother named Stan, the most common Polish first name. My Dad's cousins were good friends to the Ezinicki girls who told them they were Polish. Wikipedia you are looking foolish on this one. Like most Polish-Canadian boys of Turk's generation, he identifies with his Dad. I don't know what ethnic group his mother came from. Looking at her maiden name, it could be ukrainian or Polish. 50.72.217.7 (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC) roda

Stan Obodiac was a Polish-Canadian, so it seems his saying Turk Broda was Ukrainian is gospel! My Dad who was 100 % Polish and of distinguished Polish noble descent, whose ancestors were more east of the majority of most Ukrainian-Canadians was horrified when a Polish neighbour who came from central Poland made him feel like an outsider. Dad had to defend himself against Ukrainian kids in his area who resented him speaking his ancestoral tongue of Polish. What I'm saying on a first hand basis, Dad whose family descended from Polish noble patriots who moved east, were considered by some central Poles as non Polish! This incident sickened me as noble Poles who immigrated to the east borders, amongst Ukrainian and other ethnic Poles, gave up their lives to defend this constantly attacked area.```` Dad's Polish neighbour made him feel outside the Polish mainstream. As a kid I felt anger over this absurdity, Dad's people were Polish patriots who gave their lives defending Poland's eastern border. As a Polish- Canadian I am proud of Stan Obodiac but understand his point of view (don't agree with it). ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.72.212.111 (talk) 15:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be a dispute. On one hand we have a book on Ukrainian Canadians about a Ukrainian Canadian, citing a primary source verification and noting that the Polish rumors were untrue. On the other we have a book on Polish Americans with no page number or physical verification. The latter book was published in 2011, the former 1983, but this shouldn't matter seeing as Broda died in '72. Canadian primary source > off-topic discussion in an American Polish book. --Львівське (говорити) 03:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Off-topic discussion? If the Polish American Encyclopedia is off-topic, how is the citation you provided to an encyclopedia entry somehow "primary"? Furthermore, when did Obodiac dispel these "Polish rumors"? 1983, after Broda's death?--Pola.mola (talk) 03:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * why is a Ukrainian Canadian mentioned in a book about Polish Americans? That would make it off topic. Czuboka is the author who mentioned the false rumor in a chapter with a very deep history on Broda's early life, Obodiac is the primary source who verified he wasn't Polish.--Львівське (говорити) 03:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you opposed to having Canadians in American history books? Where would Justin Beiber go? If an American encyclopedia wrote about him, you would be immediately dismissive and call that "off-topic?" Don't lose sight of the fact that there are NHL games in the U.S.Pola.mola (talk) 03:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * How on earth does playing games in the US make him a Polish American? This is a guy who spent his entire career in Toronto, mind you. Wikipedia isn't a place for rumors, but verifiable facts.--Львівське (говорити) 04:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not arguing that he is a Polish American. He was a Polish Canadian. Canadian sources say so. Polish American hockey fans, and Polish American non-fans, understandably looked to him as one of their own. The mission statement of the Polish American Sports hall of Fame aligns with that, and does not disqualify a Canadian. News articles, books, and the modern Polish American encyclopedia have consistently and reliably stated he was of Polish descent. I understand Canada's dominance in hockey, and I do understand that the league is binational. But, to many Americans, the NHL is an American sport, and the contribution of Turk Broda certainly has impact in the U.S.Pola.mola (talk) 01:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Polish ancestry
Why delete the contemporary references stating that he was Polish? He was listed as Polish alongside 3 other players in that article I cited.Pola.mola (talk) 21:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Contemporary? The newspaper clipping you cited from the 50s was a textbook example of how these things were reported incorrectly in this period, as Pete Langelle is also Ukrainian, not Polish. --Львівське (говорити) 21:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, why delete the source? The fact is, he was cited repeatedly as ethnically Polish, and was referenced as such for his entire career and even after, culminating in his award by the Polish American Sports Hall of Fame and most recently, in the Polish American Encyclopedia. If his contemporaries listed him as Polish again and again, he may very well have been ethnically Polish, or part Polish-Ukrainian, and I think that is significant. He could also have been a Polonized Ukrainian, identifying as Polish until later learning his family's Ukrainian ancestry, or conversely, been from an eastern Polish family that became part of Ukraine. I would like to know what the Ukrainian encyclopedia you referenced before stated, given that you said it went "deep into his childhood".Pola.mola (talk) 23:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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Taken by mav and is currently orphaned (how sad) - Burgundavia 21:57, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC) +5 / -3 / 3 neutral or commons -- Solipsist 13:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Nominate and support. - Burgundavia 21:57, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * From the top of this page: "the images featured on Featured pictures should illustrate a Wikipedia article in such a way as to add significantly to that article." Oppose at least until it does . —Korath (Talk) 22:35, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Now at Death Valley National Park. One of my favorite photos, btw. --mav 23:19, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support striking. Very striking. Circeus 01:58, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Striking and shows how wildly the environment in the Death Valley can differ between places. Other places in the valley would be too hot for the flower to grow. Mgm|(talk) 08:23, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Too small, too compressed. Also, the sky is a washed out and the flower seems too dark. Would consider supporting a less compressed version. Matthewcieplak 09:15, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by too small and compressed? Would a higher resolution version with a crop more focused on the subject be better? The background is intentionally out of focus - those two effects help to keep interest in the subject and the rubble foreground. The whiteness directly behind the subject are hazy clouds. --mav 01:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * As for "small," I like my FP's to blow up and stay crunchy, even in milk, though I make plenty of exceptions. "Compressed" refers to the JPEG artifacts (in the sky near the flower), which is fixable if you have the original. I do like the focus, but the tonal range in the background is washed out. Complementarily, the flower lacks brightness, because it is apparently in the shade while the background is in the sun. It's really difficult to get good tonal range in that kind of lighting, which is a shame because the composition and subject have so much potential. Matthewcieplak 06:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Enochlau 10:55, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Same image but under another angle of view giving a sight to the "death" valley lying behind the flower would be imo much better --Bricktop 23:40, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Death Valley is behind the subject. But the subject of the image is the flower, not the valley. --mav 01:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it isn't in an article about the flower. BrokenSegue 19:50, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Nice pic. - Darwinek 10:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. I really would rather support - I've liked this photo for a while (thought it had been nominated before, but I guess I've just seen it on Mav's pages). Trouble is I'm not sure it illustrates Death Valley National Park particularly well. Desert might be better, but to me it is more of a symbolic picture for something like hope. It would nicely illustrate 'The tenacity of life in adverse conditions' - I would have thought we had a page a bit like that somewhere but I am not sure where. -- Solipsist 16:14, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Desert wild flowers have that effect on people. :) I was simply amazed to see this one single young flower with absolutely nothing alive around it for many meters, growing from a pile of rocks with no noticeable soil or moisture nurturing it. So I just had to get on the flower's level and snap some photos. Really shows the tenacity of life, IMO. Sadly I don't think we have an article yet that would be a perfect fit for this photo. --mav 01:14, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * We might put it on Desert, or better yet, would it be an example of a Xerophyte? -- Solipsist 20:18, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Submit to commons instead. Pretty, striking, but does not seem to add significantly to any article. --Andrew 10:44, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Scott Walker (ice hockey)

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I believe Olli Jokinen also had a longer wait than Scott Walker for post-season play: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olli_Jokinen —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasJCyrus (talk • contribs) 12:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The 2009 playoffs section looks a little biased against Walker. There is a reason he was not handed a suspension. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.89.185 (talk) 00:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Hayley Wickenheiser

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"She is only the second woman to compete in both the Summer and Winter Games."

thats definitly wrong, as many ice skaters compete in cycling as well, perhaps this refers just to canadians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.240.201.101 (talk)

 * Removed that sentence, since it's obviously wrong.
 * Keithdunwoody 01:08, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

"best female player"
I removed the statment: "and arguably the best female ice hockey player in the world".

She could possibly be "one of the best", but even that needs to be sourced.

Sue Anne 09:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

>She was awarded MVP in Olympics in 2006, I'll mention that instead. 90.228.252.200 08:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Updates

 * Added a lot of material, still have a few sections to update. Also added a picture.  -- Leafschik1967 (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Sports Illustrated's Toughest Athletes
Hayley made No. 20: Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 03:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Haley Wickenhiser
Haley Whickenhiser is a three time olypic medleast and the mother of noah, her young son —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.114.172.33 (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

So who "fathered" her kid??
Some sort of cover-up going on here? Where did that poor kid come from? hotep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.204.3.200 (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

 * This article says the father is named Tomas Pacina

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2011/01/17/wickenheiser_shrugs_off_criticism_of_cis_play.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.23.87.240 (talk)

 * What's kind of question is that 🤭🤣 Always Saturday (talk) 10:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Cheeses…

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On 31 March 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was redirect to Cheeses...(of Nazareth). See Votes for deletion/Cheeses… for a record of the discussion. – ABCD 21:58, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Ron Wilson (ice hockey, born 1955)

Default Ron Wilson?
There are nearly a dozen other notable Ron Wilsons. I'm not sure why this should be the de facto default. I understand the passion of sports fans, but I don't believe sports should automatically trump over all. Since there's another hockey person name Ron Wilson whose heading is Ron Wilson (hockey), what qualifier might one suggest for this Ron Wilson? -- Tenebrae 15:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Gump Worsley

Date of Death
CBC says date of death was Friday (Jan. 26)--Anderal 06:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The Toronto Star agrees; I think taken together the two are more credible than Canada.com, so I'm changing it. Geoffrey Spear 14:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I had already changed it, but it looks like someone reverted my edits. Thanks for correcting it (again) --Anderal 16:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Location of Death
The only thing I have found so far is "at home in Beloeil, Quebec" from here. The cbc article cited showing Saint-Hyacinthe, Quebec doesn't even have a location in it. Feel free to fix if someone comes up with more accurate information. — MrDolomite | Talk 18:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops; I replaced the original source with the CBC one; the original is: . Note that they got the day he died wrong in the photo caption, and other sources repeat that it was at home in Beloeil.  Of course, I've seen it variously reported that he was 67, 77, or 78 years old, which is a much easier fact to establish than place of death.  So much for quality journalism, eh? Geoffrey Spear 18:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Bacl-presby 23:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the weekend, the Habs were in Toronto, and news rooms on radio and tv are only prepared for Castro watches, now that former US prez Gerry Ford died.....Of course, they might be more in Montreal tonight, as Prime Minister hopeful Ken Dryden, one of the younger players who pushed Gump to the sidelines, is being honoured--perhaps a moment of silence?

 * With regard to the above comment, a bit of history: the "younger players" who pushed Gump to the sidelines included Rogatien Vachon. Mr. Dryden appeared long after Gump had already left. Que-Can 06:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Touche! However, where was Dryden playing in 1970?? (Nova Scotia Voyageurs, where Gump refused to report to...and not mentioned yet in Dryden's wiki! )Bacl-presby 22:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Gump Worsley played his last games in Monteal in 1969. Dryden didn't start with the Nova Scotia Voyageurs until 1970–71 (and he only played that one year before joining the Montréal Canadiens at the end of that season). Worsley and Dryden were never members of the Canadiens' organization at the same time.  Dryden bumped Rogatien Vachon out of Montreal's lead goaltending job. Que-Can 05:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

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