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Sorting
Why are some alphatetized by their first name, and some by their last name? 131.96.14.17 20:01, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why is there no way to delete specious/questionable inclusions in this "category?" Without a way to reverse damage, this page will only become more corrupted and eventually useles...172.136.190.131 01:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

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Gender
Why is that most of the oldest people at least that I have seen have been females? Are the Y chromosome deadly keeping us from being that old? J. C.
 * On average, women live for about four years longer than men do. Hence the vast majority of supercentenarians are women. Jim Michael (talk) 10:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Nationality
No need for divisive 'subcategories.' Some people lived in two or three countries. → R Young {yak ł talk } 01:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it makes it easier to browse Category:Supercentenarians if it is divided into categories by nationality. Ryūlóng 02:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it makes it much more difficult to find anyone. Gene Nygaard 08:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mythological and legendary figures included?
I don't believe this category (and all sub-categories) should include fictional, mythological or legendary characters, actual historical persons only. Editor2020, Talk 00:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Regina Pats

Regina Pats alumni & history
Here's a good resource to start with for expanding the team history section. Flibirigit (talk) 19:13, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Regina Pats alumni & history
 * Okay, great. I will see what I can do as an editor to use this source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minecrafter0271 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that web site no longer appears to be active. Flibirigit (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Portland Rosebuds

Dance team
The Portland rosebuds are the official dance team of the Portland Winter Hawks professional ice hockey team. Should this be mentioned on this page or its own page or should it even be mentioned. MathewDill (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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Abu Ja'far al-Khazin

Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Husayn Khazin (900–971), also called Al-Khazin, was an Iranian Muslim astronomer and mathematician from Khorasan. He worked on both astronomy and number theory.

Al-Khazin was one of the scientists brought to the court in Ray, Iran by the ruler of the Buyid dynasty, Adhad ad-Dowleh, who ruled from 949 to 983. In 959/960, Khazin was required by the vizier of Ray, who was appointed by ad-Dowleh, to measure the obliquity of the ecliptic.

One of Al-Khazin's works ("Tables of the Disks of the Astrolabe") was described by his successors as the best work in the field and they make many references to it. The work describes some astronomical instruments, in particular an astrolabe fitted with plates inscribed with tables, and a commentary on the use of these. A copy of this instrument was made, but it vanished in Germany during World War II. A photograph of this copy was taken and examined by the historian David King in 1980.

Al-Khazin also wrote a commentary on the Roman polymath Ptolemy's Almagest in which he gives 19 propositions relating to statements by Ptolemy, and proposed a different model of the cosmos.

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Talk:Philadelphia Phantoms

Official - Glens Falls
The only issue is they haven't revealed whether they will be called the Adirondack Phantoms or the Glens Falls Phantoms. --scottieISmad (talk) 21:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They will be called the Adirondack Phantoms. Someone went ahead and created the page for it already, but should there be to separate articles for Philly and Adirondack? --scottieISmad (talk) 23:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The articles should be separate as both the ownership and the "new" club's home venue have changed. The only ongoing connection between the two in 2009-2010 will be the nickname and current affiliation. (Centpacrr (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC))

There's no separate page for the Philadelphia Athletics, for example. It redirects to the Oakland page. The nickname, logo, players, and current affiliation are the same. That should be enough to keep them as the same team. Other teams change owners, name, or city and are still considered the same team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.26.127 (talk) 00:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That is, however, not the practice for hockey pages. The Minnesota North Stars and the Dallas Stars have different pages, as do the Hartford Whalers / Carolina Hurricanes, Winnipeg Jets / Phoenix Coyotes, Quebec Nordiques / Colorado Avalanche, and so on.  On the minor league level, the same holds true; the Springfield Indians, Worcester Ice Cats and Peoria Rivermen have been the same AHL franchise and have different articles, the current Hamilton Bulldogs have their own article as do the franchise's previous stops in Quebec City (the Citadelles), Fredericton (the Canadiens), Sherbrooke (ditto) and Halifax (the Nova Scotia Voyageurs), and so on.  How the baseball WikiProject handles matters is, of course, their own business.    Ravenswing  07:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Previous AHL teams section
Two notes about this section.

First, the article used as reference should not be placed in the section header, as it is poor style. To that end, I added a brief introductory sentence so the reference could be attached to it.

The second is a general questioning of the section's value as a whole. It is not about the Phantoms at all, really. It covers the history of the AHL in the city, and describes the predecessor teams in detail. Those descriptions should be reserved for the articles on those teams. Also, the section uses a few too many peacock terms for my liking, largely mirroring the article that it used as a source for the section. Indeed, reading through that article, both the source article and the section of this article read very similarly. Too similarly for my tastes. It's good material, but I think it would need a major re-write to give it a more encyclopedic tone and to avoid possible concerns regarding plagarism.

Considering the fact that it really covers teams that are distinct and separate from the Phantoms, it may just be best to strike the section completely, and incorporate the material from the source into the respective articles for the predecessor teams, with only a short blurb here about the fact that the Phantoms were the fourth AHL team to call Philadelphia home.oknazevad (talk) 03:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

 * I wrote both, have worked in and/or covered hockey professionally in Philadelphia for forty years (including more than 2,000 Flyers and Phantoms games), and am in the process of updating the Phantoms' article to reflect the end of its 13 season run and departure for Glens Falls. The section on the history of the three AHL predecessors in Philadelphia is actually only five short sentences and is included to show how successful the Phantoms and their two Cup titles were in contrast to the the AHL's first three tries in Philadelphia.

 * My update should be done in a few days, if not sooner. (Centpacrr (talk) 05:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC))

 * I look forward to seeing it. I would, if I were you, make sure to make that intended contrast between the Phantoms and their predecessors more explicit, so as to not (re)create (my) confusion. The tone is still a bit off for an encyclopedia article, as well. Also, I'm not sure of the policy, but I believe there may be a problem with referencing your own self-published work.

 * (P.S. It's not 5 sentences, its 5 paragraphs.)oknazevad (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * While my own article now appears on a hockey history site that I own, if you look at the top of the page on which it appears there you will see that it was originally written for publication at and in conjunction with the 1999 AHL All Star Game played in Philadelphia in January of that year. (I later expanded and updated it in 2006 for posting on the internet. It will be updated again there in the near future.)

 * The material describing the previous teams is actually only the five sentences in a paragraph-and-a-half beginning with "When the Canadian-American Hockey League (1926–36)...." and ending with "...at five on a record of 5–52–7.)" which is followed by "The AHL's dismal record in the city all changed, however, with the establishment in 1996 ..." to show the contrast between these three earlier relatively unsuccessful teams and the far more successful Phantoms. (Centpacrr (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC))

An article similar to Ice hockey in Calgary might be a good idea. --24.102.232.53 (talk) 02:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no particular problem with that (I have in fact written such an article published in 1999), but the five sentences relating to the three AHL predecessors should remain as they establish the background to the history of the Phantoms. (Centpacrr (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC))

 * Cleanup looks good. Short, to the point, and with just the right amount of detail. The section breaks are placed well, too, allowing a reader to set off the background information from the beginning of the Phantoms' history easily. Well done, sir.oknazevad (talk) 13:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Seattle Metropolitans

What happened to them?
Did they move to another town and change names? Close down? What happened? Unschool (talk) 14:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The team would fold in 1924, the remaining teams in the PCHA, Victoria and Vancouver joned the WCHL. This ended the PCHAOttawa4ever (talk) 20:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The PCHA/WCHL played an inter-league schedule starting in 1922-23. 1925-26 the WCHL dropped "Canada" from their name to become original WHL. When the western leagues folded most of the players were still under contract to the Patrick brothers who sold the players to NHL which became the cores of their new expansion teams. The Victoria Cougars became the Detroit Cougars (Red Wings). Portland became Chicago Blackhawks. Boston Bruins purchased remaining players to fill out team. This is a major reason those teams were so competitive so quick and beat existing NHL teams.Kav2001c (talk) 00:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)kav2001c

First US Stanley Cup Winner
In most peoples view the Portland Rosebuds were the first American team to win the Stanley Cup. Multiple historic newspaper accounts exist of the game and Portland even has their name engraved on the Stanley Cup itself (can be viewed in Hockey Hall of Fame). The NHL changed the rules after and Portland then lost the Cup to MontrealKav2001c (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)kav2001c

Renovations
Ive begun a major overhaul of the page, if anyone would like to help with proofing and referencing it would be very appreciated, thanks Ottawa4ever (talk) 01:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Thank you for undertaking the overhaul. The rendition of the logo is rather poor, IMO.  I don't have any historical photographic references, but the banner hanging in Climate Pledge Arena has a very different layout to the typography.

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LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0

The London, Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS) Stanier Class 5 4-6-0, commonly known as the Black Five, is a class of steam locomotives. It was introduced by William Stanier and built between 1934 and 1951. A total of 842 were built initially numbered 4658-5499 then renumbered 44658-45499 by BR. Several members of the class survived to the last day of steam on British Railways in 1968, and eighteen are preserved.

Origins
The Black Five was a mixed-traffic locomotive, a "do-anything go-anywhere" type, designed by Stanier, who had previously been with the GWR. In his early LMS days, he designed his Stanier Mogul, experimenting with the GWR school of thought on locomotive design. A number of details in this design he would never use again, realising the superiority of details not used on the GWR. Stanier realised that there was a need for larger locomotives. These were to be the LMS version of the GWR Halls, but they were not copies, as the Hall was too wide to run in most places in Britain. They shared a similar cylinder arrangement (two outside), internal boiler design and size and 6 foot driving wheel diameters.

In their early days the locomotives were known as the "Black Staniers" from their black livery, in contrast to Stanier's other class of 4-6-0, the LMS Jubilee Class, which were painted crimson (and known until April 1935 as the "Red Staniers"). Later on, the nickname of the former became "Black Five", the number referring to the power classification. This was originally 5P5F, but from 1940 was shown on cabsides as the simple figure 5. Eight hundred and forty-two were constructed. The locomotives were an instant success and were well-liked by their crews for their versatility. One of them was recorded to have reached a speed of 96 mph in service.

Construction
There were a number of detail variations in the locomotives and they did not all remain in the same condition as built. Some locomotives built under British Railways administration were used as test beds for various design modifications, with a view to incorporating the successful modifications in the Standard Classes of locomotives built from 1951 onwards. These modifications included outside Caprotti valve gear, roller bearings (both Timken and Skefco types) on the coupled and tender axles in varying combinations, and an experimental steel firebox. Other locomotives had modified draughting to "self clean" the smokebox (thereby reducing turn-around and disposal times and eliminating or mitigating one of the most unpopular jobs).

The domeless engines

Numbering started from 5000, with the first twenty being ordered from Crewe Works in April 1934, and a further fifty (5020–5069) ordered from the Vulcan Foundry in 1933. The first of the Vulcan Foundry engines entered service in 1934, and the entire order of 50 was delivered before the first Crewe-built engine, No. 5000, was completed in February 1935. The first 57 locomotives were built with domeless boilers with straight throatplates and a low degree of superheat (14 elements in two rows), the boilers of the remaining 13 (5007–5019) were provided with a three-row version (21 elements) having greater total surface area and giving less obstruction to gas flow. The original 57 boilers were converted later to higher superheat (24 elements) and fitted with a dome. Further orders were placed with Crewe (5070–5074), Vulcan Foundry (5075–5124) and Armstrong Whitworth (5125–5224) for a total of 155 locomotives which were also built with domeless boilers with straight throatplates and 21 element superheaters. All these boilers, including the early converted ones with a dome, were fitted indiscriminately to any of the first 225 engines, which could appear at various times with domed or domeless boilers.

However, many of the early frames were converted to accept sloping throatplate boilers, as listed below. This modification was carried out to provide a stock of spare boilers for the early engines, which would minimise the time spent in works by engines awaiting a fresh boiler. All locomotives from no. 5225 were fitted when new with the sloping throatplate boiler. All extra boilers made had the sloping throatplate arrangement, and only one example of a later engine having been fitted with a straight throatplate boiler is known - no. 45433. Several different patterns of boiler were used on the locomotives, running into double figures. The throatplate design was the most significant, but there were also different numbers of superheater flues, firegrate arrangement, stay material, dome and water feed arrangements, washout plug placement, etc. in various combinations.

The following locomotives were built with straight throatplate boilers, but were later fitted with a sloping throatplate boiler (date in brackets). Conversion was done by relocating the frame stretcher immediately in front of the firebox. Some of them reverted to straight throatplate at a later date, and these are also shown where known. Those marked with an asterisk were fitted with a boiler which had the top feed on the front ring on the date shown. In the case of no. 45087 it had previously been converted. The first conversion was carried out on no. 5022, and the last known was on no. 45163, which has been preserved.

5002 (12/37), 45007 (1/60), 45008 (1/60*), 45011 (1/49*+), 5020 (2/37), 5022 (10/36) reverted (10/58), 5023 (2/38) reverted (3/53), 5026 (2/37) reverted (1/59), 5027 (12/36), 5040 (11/36), 5045 (11/54), 5047 (1/37), 45049 (7/54) reverted (8/59), 5054 (1/37), 5057 (11/37), 5058 (11/37), 5059 (7/45), 45066 (4/60), 45082 (12/56*), 45087 (9/55) (12/60*), 5097 (1/37), 5108 (6/45), 45109 (5/48), 5142 (12/37), 45151 (3/51), 45163 (5/61), 45169 (7/55), 45197 (5/60)

The pre-war domed engines
A further 227 were ordered from Armstrong-Whitworth in 1936, the largest single locomotive order ever given by a British railway to an outside contractor. Crewe built a further 20, which had higher degree superheat boilers, with 28 elements, unlike the AW boilers, which had 24 elements.

5471, built at Crewe in 1938, would be the last built for five years. During the early stages of the Second World War, the priority was for heavy freight engines, and the closely related 8Fs were produced in large numbers.

Wartime and postwar domed engines
In 1943 construction was restarted, with Derby Works building its first. Construction continued up to no. 5499. As the numbering block from 5500 was allocated to the Patriot Class, a further batch of 200 locomotives were numbered from 4800 to 4999, followed by a batch from 4658 to 4799. By this time the LMS had been nationalised, and British Railways added 40000 to all numbers. Eventually the 842 examples would number 44658–45499.

Ivatt engines and experimental modifications
From early 1947, engines were built with the top feed on the front ring of the boiler (from no. 4998), and Nos 44758-767 had a longer wheelbase (27 ft 6in rather than 27 ft 2in, with the change in the coupled wheelbase from 7 ft + 8 ft to 7 ft + 8 ft 3in); this was necessary in order to accommodate the Timken roller-bearing housings without fouling the ashpan. In 1948, George Ivatt introduced more modifications to bearings and valve gear; other experimental Ivatt features included the use of steel rather than copper fireboxes on certain engines, and the fitting of double blastpipes & chimneys in some instances. 44738-57 were built with Caprotti valve gear. The last two, nos. 44686 and 44687 built at Horwich in 1951, were fitted with a new arrangement of Caprotti valve gear, which was later used on some of the BR standard Class fives, and the BR class 8 4-6-2.

No. 4767, built at Crewe and delivered in December 1947, had outside Stephenson valve gear: instead of eccentrics, double return cranks were used to drive the eccentric rods, and a launch-type expansion link was used. This one cost £13,278, which was about £600 more than those built at the same time with Walschaerts' valve gear. The aim of the experiment was to find out if a valve gear having variable lead (as opposed to the constant lead of the Walschaerts' motion) would affect performance. On trial, it proved to have no advantage, although in normal service it did gain a reputation as a good performer on banks.

Accidents and incidents

 * On 13 October 1939, No. 5025 was hauling an express passenger train from Euston to Stranraer (pilot to locomotive 6130 The West Yorkshire Regiment, an LMS Royal Scot Class 4-6-0) when it was in collision with locomotive LNWR Class G1 0-8-0 9169, which was attaching a van to the rear of an Inverness train at Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, severely damaging it. Five people were killed and more than 30 were injured. No. 5025 was repaired and survives at the Strathspey Railway.
 * In 1941, locomotive No. 5425 was severely damaged in a Luftwaffe air raid. It was subsequently repaired at Crewe Works.
 * On 1 January 1946, engine No. 5495 was involved in the Lichfield rail crash, in which the freight train it was hauling was derailed at Lichfield Trent Valley station, Staffordshire due to faulty points. The train collided with a passenger train, which was hauled by LNWR Prince of Wales Class 4-6-0 no. 25802, killing 20 people and injuring 21.
 * On 23 January 1955, locomotive No. 45274 was hauling an express passenger train that was derailed due to excessive speed on a curve, in the Sutton Coldfield rail crash. Nineteen people were killed and 64 were injured.
 * On 16 January 1958, a locomotive of the class was hauling a passenger train that collided with a light engine that was standing foul of the line at Preston due to a signalman's error. Both trains were derailed; thirteen people were injured.
 * On 4 February 2006, locomotive 45305 Alderman A. E. Draper collided with a rake of six carriages at Loughborough Central, damaging the locomotive and one of the carriages. Two people were injured. An investigation by the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) found that the driver was not wearing spectacles at the time of the accident, despite it being a requirement on his medical certificate to do so when driving.
 * On 2 October 2015, locomotive No. 45231 was working a private charter train for West Coast Railways (WCRC) through Doncaster when it was noticed that its TPWS (Train Protection and Warning System) had been isolated by the footplate crew. Isolation of the TPWS had been a factor in the Wootton Bassett SPAD incident in March of the same year. As a result, WCRC were suspended from operating on the national network by the Office of Rail and Road.

Names
Only five Black Fives received names during their mainline working lives, a small percentage of the total produced, although seven more have been named in preservation (see below). All of those named in mainline service were named after Scottish regiments. Locomotive 5155 carried the name The Queen's Edinburgh for only two years during the Second World War. Some sources have noted that no photographic confirmation of this naming is extant, although this is neither unique to the class, nor unexpected given restrictions on photography during wartime. The evidence for the naming of the locomotive is set out in full in various sources.

Withdrawal
The class remained intact until 1961 when 45401 was the first Black Five to be withdrawn from stock following a collision at Warrington, although the boiler was re-used and actually lasted to the end of steam on BR. The remainder of the class were withdrawn between 1962 and 1968. Some members of the class, 46 in total, survived to the last day of steam on BR in August 1968. No. 45318, a Lostock Hall based engine, hauled the last scheduled train on 3 August 1968; a Preston to Liverpool exchange. The locomotive was withdrawn a few days later and then scrapped the following year at Drapers.

Preservation
Eighteen Black Fives have been preserved, with twelve of them being purchased directly from BR for preservation (these being 44767, 44806, 44871, 44932, 45000, 45025, 45110, 45212, 45231, 45305, 45407 & 45428), the remaining six being rescued from Woodham Brothers' Barry Scrapyard (these being 44901, 45163, 45293, 45337, 45379 & 45491). Members of each of the builder's batches have survived into preservation: seven LMS-built engines and eleven by outside contractors. Of the eighteen to be preserved, fourteen have operated in preservation, the class members that have not yet run being 44901, 45163, 45293 & 45491. Twelve Black Fives have been operated on the main line in preservation: 44767, 44871, 44932, 45000, 45025, 45110, 45212, 45231, 45305, 45337, 45407 & 45428.

As of December 2023 there are eight Black Fives in traffic, six of which have valid main line certificates. 44871, 44932, 45212, 45231 & 45407 have full main line certificates for use over the national network, while 45428 is certified for main line use only between Grosmont and Whitby with occasional visits to Battersby, both 44806 and 45025 are only able to operate on preserved lines. 44767 & 45337 are in the process of undergoing overhauls while four, 44901, 45163, 45293 and 45491, are undergoing restorations from Barry Scrapyard condition.

No. 44781 was a candidate for preservation, but was scrapped. In 2019, parts were rediscovered in Bartlow and in the National Railway Museum's collection in York.

Note: Some locos may usually have a nameplate but marked names indicate that the loco is not presently wearing them. Loco numbers in bold indicate their current number.

Preserved locos
† In all cases names are historically inaccurate, i.e. they have all been applied since preservation. Some engines might still have their names but where marked indicates that they currently do not carry them. Either for authenticity or other reasons like the engine is running in another identity.
 * 44767 carries a plaque on the splasher beneath the nameplate that reads 'This locomotive was named by the Rt. Hon. William Whitelaw, C.H., M.C., M.P. at Shildon on 25 August 1975, to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington Railway.'
 * 44806 was named after the TV series "Magpie" in 1973, it continued to wear this name during the time it was based at the Lakeside and Haverthwaite Railway and when it relocated to the Llangollen Railway until it was withdrawn for overhaul in 2003. After emerging from its last overhaul in 2007 it ran without the nameplates but was later named after its former owner "Kenneth Aldcroft". It is now based at the North Yorkshire Moors Railway and has since had its nameplates removed.

Sound

 * 45212 passing Green End

In fiction
In The Railway Series children's books by the Rev. W. Awdry and its television adaption Thomas and Friends, the character Henry the Green Engine was rebuilt into a Black Five at Crewe Works after his accident with the Flying Kipper.

In artwork
A Black 5 locomotive appears in the 1938 René Magritte painting Time Transfixed.

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Talk:Online casino

Redirects
"Online gambling" redirects here. I'm not so sure this is a good idea. In Vegas and most other places in the world, it is common to see poker, sports betting, and casino games all in the same place. Online, this is by far less common: many sites run just a poker room, or are just a betting exchange/bookmaker, or just a casino, etc., so "online casino" covers only about a third of what could be called "online gambling". - furrykef (Talk at me) 20:05, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Ineractive gambling" redirects here, and that isn't even a word. Change it to Interactive, if you please. SirJaso (talk) 21:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I left the miss-spelled one in place, but created a redirect from Ineractive gambling --GraemeL (talk) 21:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed them both to the online gambling article. 2005 (talk) 23:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Legality

 * Playing at online casinos is against United States law, but the federal government is finding it difficult to enforce this law even though the vast majority of online players are Americans.

I doubt online gambling is actually illegal in the United States. Somebody name a law before saying things like this. (I know the Federal Wire Act doesn't apply.) - furrykef (Talk at me) 05:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A clue... from my memory, the US cannot outlaw online casinos because it violates international trade agreements. (Outlawing international online casinos would give US casinos an unfair competitive edge.) I don't have the energy to look it up right now. 24.180.242.168 (talk) 02:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC). There have been rulings in international trade courts against the United States, but they have just fined the USA for restraint of trade. Not wanting to go to battle, many casino's like Beneficial Holdings' www.bet.cr by Beneficial just make it clear they don't accept USA players.

Bonus hunting
I wrote the section about bonuses. I'd like to say that so far this year (starting January 1), I've turned $550 into nearly $4000 through bonus hunting -- it really does work. :) At first I didn't want to add it to the article, fearing that it may help cause more bonuses to dry up, but I doubt enough people will hit casinos just because they read about it on Wikipedia to cause any concern. - furrykef (Talk at me) 13:33, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Multiplier Player Accounts for bonus hunting – This is when one user creates multiple accounts to take advantage of bonuses or new player account promotions. These players are often detected through similar signup information or the use of the same computer or IP address. Players that create multiple accounts are also sometimes referred to as “bonus hunters” or “bonus whores”. This is why many online casinos attach wager or rollover requirements to bonuses to limit the number of bonus abusers creating multiple player accounts.

Just a note: Betting both Black and Red on a roulette table is not a "guaranteed" break even, it is not a "risk free" bet. Roulette tables have a double Zero which is Green. This ensures that there is no 50% chance to win in a casino. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.177.243 (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

gamblingcommission.com
I was about to restore the gamblingcommission.com link but the anon user seems to be correct. This is not a valid regulatory organization. - Tεx  τ  urε  15:42, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Right. Leave it off. - furrykef (Talk at me) 19:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Casino Blacklists
I don't think it's appropriate to recommend a large number of casino blacklists from casino affiliate sites here, but I'd be interested in other opinions. It seems like this is clearly not the neutral point of view we should be aiming for. Rray 16:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree. A short paragraph or sentence saying numerous portals or watchdog groups offer blacklists is what we should do.  There is no reason to enumerate them here, and plenty of reason not to. Rray, I'd support you in redoing that section. 2005 20:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * While maybe a direct link to the blacklist section doesn't belong, I think a link to www.wizardofodds.com (which was recently reverted, though there was another more questionable link to go with it) belongs. Though it does make use of affiliate links, the website is one of the most informative about online gaming, including correct odds and strategy for a large number of games and some original analysis. It is used by a fair number of people, including recreational players, more serious players, and bonus hunters. "wizardofodds.com" gets 31,000 google hits, and the maintainer is not the type to spam his site, so I would imagine a large portion of the hits is legitimate. Skimming over the results seems to confirm this as well. - furrykef (Talk at me) 19:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Its a fine site, but so are plenty of others. There is no reason to link it from this article. An additional link to http://www.dmoz.org/Games/Gambling/Guides/  where wizard and others are linked would seem fine. 2005 19:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Personally I feel the outbound link to slotsadvisor.com doesn't actually prove anything regarding casino blacklists, it just suggests "the industry" shares a casino blacklist, apologies if I'm missing the point, but no credible evidence is offered by the site, nor does it offer the reader any solid claims. I agree with the dmoz.org suggestion. HollyJoy 17:10, 05 February 2009 (UTC)

 * What is it with this flood of links towards all these scandal casino websites? Nobody is doing anything against it. The admin at wizardofodds writes an article and the next day we see a link towards it on WikiPedia. Did Wikipedia become an advertisement area of which only these scandal sites are aware of? They are simple forums, nothing more, and they cannot be treated as valid sources, because they can show simply any information that crosses through the head of the writer. There is no proof everything from there is legit or that is not outdated. 2005 19:37, 20 June2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IHaveNoName111 (talk • contribs)

Playtech Software
Playtech software belongs on the lists of software clients commonly used to power online casinos. It would be inappropriate to leave the software out because you think it's "not random". (Playtech powers at least 65 casinos, possibly more, making it one of the more significant software providers.)

Also Casino Tropez includes a certification letter regarding the randomness of the software here.

There is a Playtech. It "might" be appropriate to question the integrity of the software in the article there if a neutral POV is maintained, but I would say that some type of citation would be appropriate before doing so. Rray 00:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Merged?
Who merged the bonus whoring page into this article? I think they should be separate. Online bonuses and bonus whoring could maybe be one article, but this article should primarily be about online casinos. GusChiggins21 (talk) 19:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Multiple editors discussed this and agreed to the merge before it was acted on. There were no objections to the merge. "Bonus whoring" is too specific a topic to be notable enough for an article of its own. Notability requires coverage from multiple reliable sources.Rray (talk) 22:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

 * This article already had several paragraphs on bonuses. It's pretty silly to have a different article talking about bonuses again just to make the point that you can turn a profit with them.  One way to do it would be to make another article about bonuses and hunting together, but at this point the article works fine the way it is.  In general its is better to deal with subjects in one place.  If the article got much longer (which is unlikely) splitting off sections could make sense, but bonuses are just one aspect of playing at an online casino so it works fine here.  And more importantly, we need to avoid several such redundant articles. 2005 (talk) 23:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2017
Please change: The difference comes at cashout time. A phantom bonus disappears when the player cashes out, while the sticky bonus 'sticks' to the player's account until it is lost.

To: The difference between cash-able and phantom bonuses comes at cashout time. A phantom bonus is deducted from player's balance at the moment he places his withdrawal request. For example: if you deposited $100, received a $100, played and finished the wagering with $150. If the bonus is sticky, the player will be able to withdraw just $50. If bonus is cash-able, then the whole balance is available for withdrawal.

Reasons: What is stated is not correct. Fantom and Sticky are terms for the same thing: bonuses which are not withdrawable. You can find plenty example if you google "phantom vs cashable bonus" - they all will show that. Unoduuu (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC) Unoduuu (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Sparkling Pessimist   Scream at me!  19:16, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2017
I would like to improve the United Kingdom and Danish laws in this article. I've written a piece for UK already. Here is a quick summary

Britain is one of the most permissive territories when it comes to remote gambling, with online operators able to conduct almost all forms of legal land-based gambling and betting. Despite this relative tolerance, the UK is also a tightly regulated online gambling market, with all companies wanting to operate in the country required to hold a license from the UK Gambling Commission -- the country’s gambling oversight body. The commission ensures that gambling businesses are adequately transparent about their operations, conform to compulsory standards of fairness and don’t target marketing materials to underage or vulnerable people. ThePaku (talk) 09:40, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GermanJoe (talk) 09:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, please note that promotional commercial links are usually not suitable as sources, and self-published sources should be used sparingly and only for uncontroversial information (WP:SPS). Especially subjective or extraordinary claims need truely independent high-quality sources. I have posted a few additional links with info on your user talkpage. GermanJoe (talk) 09:55, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2017
I Would like to add content to the legal section on this article around the following countries;

1) Sweden 2) Finland 3) Denmark 4) Norway

These countries are particularly popular for online casino players and operators alike and are all in different phases of regulation.

Best,

Chris Chrisjrsl (talk) 10:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 13:43, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2018
I would like to improve grammar and formatting. Bodhistawa (talk) 10:01, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Gulumeemee (talk) 11:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Suggested edits (July 2018)
In 2018 web-based online casinos are mainly using HTML5. So it is not any more correct that they use mainly Flash. This information needs to be updated. "Apple devices such as iPod, iPad and iPhone cannot play Flash games as the technology is not supported." It is true that Flash is not supported. But Casinos have a presence on iOS and Android as native-apps. The solution involves HTML5 based solutions like Electron. (https://www.casinomobsters.com/iphone/)

Also relevant: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#gaming-gambling-and-lotteries In iOS gaming for real money is allowed, but "Apps may not use in-app purchase to purchase credit or currency for use in conjunction with real money gaming of any kind, and may not enable people to purchase lottery or raffle tickets or initiate fund transfers in the app."

The categories should be a matrix.
 * Category by type of client: Web-based, Application based.
 * Category by type of game: RNG, Live game.

There are Live game casinos web-based and application based. The same goes for RNG.

"employs one or more cameramen" is false. You need several cameras and dealers with a green screen. But the camera can be static and not require manual operation.

"assuming the player trusts the regulator." adds nothing to the article. Whatever the player trusts the regulator or not, the regulator function is the same, only the "perception" changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.136.10.204 (talk) 07:36, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2018
[a copy of the article was posted here] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.174.115.181 (talk • contribs) 08:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --bonadea contributions talk 08:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2018
41.217.116.203 (talk) 07:12, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 08:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019
Please, change X to Y (two sections below)

X

Legality
Online gambling legislation often has loopholes that result from the rapid development of the technology underpinning the development of the industry. Some countries, including Belgium, Canada, Finland and Sweden have state gambling monopolies and do not grant licenses to foreign casino operators. According to their law, operators licensed on the territory of these countries can only be considered legal. At the same time, they can't prosecute foreign casino operators and only block their sites. Players in these countries can't be punished and can gamble at any site they can access.

Australia
The Australian Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA) criminalises the supply of online casino games by an operator anywhere in the world to persons located in Australia. It only targets operators of online gambling sites, resulting in the curious situation that it is not illegal for a player in Australia to access and gamble at an online casino. No operator has even been charged with an offence under the IGA and many online casinos accept Australian customers. In June 2016, the South Australian Government became the first state or territory in the world to introduce a 15% Place Of Consumption Tax (POCT) modelled on the 2014 UK POCT.

Belgium
The Belgian Gaming Act went into effect in January 2011 and allows online gambling, but only under very strict conditions and surveillance.

Canada
The Canadian criminal code states that only provincial governments and charitable organizations licensed by provincial governments may operate a casino in Canada. It also prohibits residents from participating in any lottery scheme, game of chance, or gambling activity not licensed or operated by a provincial government. In 2010, the British Columbia Lottery Corporation launched Canada’s first legal online casino, PlayNow, which is available to residents of British Columbia. The province of Quebec also operates a legal online casino through Loto-Québec.

Despite this legislation, the Kahnawake First Nation in Quebec has taken the position that it is a sovereign nation, able to enact its own gambling legislation, and has licensed and hosted nearly 350 gambling websites, without ever being prosecuted.

Germany
The German Online Casino Legislative 2012 (EU) many will often describes as very complex matter.The European Commission via the "EU Pilot" scheme recently questioned Germany about what steps it plans to take to eliminate the current sports-betting monopoly operated by state-owned Oddset and to also reconsider its stance on prohibiting online casino and poker games due to the huge gray market currently existing — and prospering — in the country. Latest strike to the German Legislative was from Court of Justice for the European Union (CJEU) recently ruled against the country's restrictive online gaming laws where is clearly stated"Further to a judgment of the Court from which it can be inferred that a national law is not compatible with EU law, all organs of a Member State concerned are under an obligation to remedy that situation," Judge Advocate General Szpunar stated in 2015 year.

Malaysia
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Sweden
Since January 1, 2019, the Swedish Gambling Authority is responsible for the licensing of new and existing participants of the gambling market, and its main function is to ensure the casino's legitimacy and safety of gamblers. The Swedish Gambling Authority is under the control of the Ministry of Finance and its Council is appointed by the Government. One of the goals is to create a safe and secure gaming market. The regulatory authority is responsible for national lotteries, slot machines, restaurant casinos and some bingo permits. The Swedish Gambling Authority is also working on clarifying Swedish law.

United Kingdom
In the United Kingdom, the Gambling Bill that was passed into law in 2005 tends to all matters of online gambling, permitting online betting sites to have a Remote Gambling Licence in order to offer online betting to UK citizens. In 2014, the UK government put into law the Gambling Act of 2014 which in addition to the original 2005 law, required offshore online gambling operators catering to UK players to obtain a UK license. The new regulation required operators to pay a 15% Place of Consumption Tax (POCT), something that triggered an exodus of sorts of some operators from the British Isles. However, this exodus did not last long in most cases as the benefits outweighed the stumbling blocks, due to the UK being a major market for online gambling. The UK gambling commission has enforced several regulations to protect minors from gambling, including age verification measures. This means that operators must verify the identity of the players before accepting any payments or giving out any no deposit bonuses. In addition the UKGC has also banned casino games which themes are considered as child friendly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CCIndex (talk • contribs) 07:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

United States
In the United States, the legality of online gambling is debated and can vary from state to state. The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (UIGEA) limits the ability of banks and payment processors to transact with internet gambling sites that are unlawful under any federal or state law. However it does not define the legality or otherwise of an internet based gambling site. It was commonly assumed that the Federal Wire Act prohibited all forms of online gambling. However, in December 2011, the United States Department of Justice released a statement clarifying that the Wire Act applied only to sports betting sites and not to online casinos, poker, or lottery sites, leaving the definition of legality up to individual states. Certain states such as Nevada, Delaware, and New Jersey have started the process of legalising and regulating online gambling and it is expected that regulation will continue on a state by state basis.

Y

Legality
Online gambling legislation often has loopholes that result from the rapid development of the technology underpinning the development of the industry. Some countries, including Belgium, Canada, Finland and Sweden have state gambling monopolies and do not grant licenses to foreign casino operators. According to their law, operators licensed on the territory of these countries can only be considered legal. At the same time, they can't prosecute foreign casino operators and only block their sites. Players in these countries can't be punished and can gamble at any site they can access.

Australia
The Australian Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA) criminalises the supply of online casino games by an operator anywhere in the world to persons located in Australia. It only targets operators of online gambling sites, resulting in the curious situation that it is not illegal for a player in Australia to access and gamble at an online casino. No operator has even been charged with an offence under the IGA and many online casinos accept Australian customers. In June 2016, the South Australian Government became the first state or territory in the world to introduce a 15% Place Of Consumption Tax (POCT) modelled on the 2014 UK POCT.

Belgium
The Belgian Gaming Act went into effect in January 2011 and allows online gambling, but only under very strict conditions and surveillance.

Canada
The Canadian criminal code states that only provincial governments and charitable organizations licensed by provincial governments may operate a casino in Canada. It also prohibits residents from participating in any lottery scheme, game of chance, or gambling activity not licensed or operated by a provincial government. In 2010, the British Columbia Lottery Corporation launched Canada’s first legal online casino, PlayNow, which is available to residents of British Columbia. The province of Quebec also operates a legal online casino through Loto-Québec.

Despite this legislation, the Kahnawake First Nation in Quebec has taken the position that it is a sovereign nation, able to enact its own gambling legislation, and has licensed and hosted nearly 350 gambling websites, without ever being prosecuted.

Germany
The German Online Casino Legislative 2012 (EU) many will often describes as very complex matter.The European Commission via the "EU Pilot" scheme recently questioned Germany about what steps it plans to take to eliminate the current sports-betting monopoly operated by state-owned Oddset and to also reconsider its stance on prohibiting online casino and poker games due to the huge gray market currently existing — and prospering — in the country. Latest strike to the German Legislative was from Court of Justice for the European Union (CJEU) recently ruled against the country's restrictive online gaming laws where is clearly stated"Further to a judgment of the Court from which it can be inferred that a national law is not compatible with EU law, all organs of a Member State concerned are under an obligation to remedy that situation," Judge Advocate General Szpunar stated in 2015 year.

Sweden
Since January 1, 2019, the Swedish Gambling Authority is responsible for the licensing of new and existing participants of the gambling market, and its main function is to ensure the casino's legitimacy and safety of gamblers. The Swedish Gambling Authority is under the control of the Ministry of Finance and its Council is appointed by the Government. One of the goals is to create a safe and secure gaming market. The regulatory authority is responsible for national lotteries, slot machines, restaurant casinos and some bingo permits. The Swedish Gambling Authority is also working on clarifying Swedish law.

United Kingdom
In the United Kingdom, the Gambling Bill that was passed into law in 2005 tends to all matters of online gambling, permitting online betting sites to have a Remote Gambling Licence in order to offer online betting to UK citizens. In 2014, the UK government put into law the Gambling Act of 2014 which in addition to the original 2005 law, required offshore online gambling operators catering to UK players to obtain a UK license. The new regulation required operators to pay a 15% Place of Consumption Tax (POCT), something that triggered an exodus of sorts of some operators from the British Isles. However, this exodus did not last long in most cases as the benefits outweighed the stumbling blocks, due to the UK being a major market for online gambling.

United States
In the United States, the legality of online gambling is debated and can vary from state to state. The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (UIGEA) limits the ability of banks and payment processors to transact with internet gambling sites that are unlawful under any federal or state law. However it does not define the legality or otherwise of an internet based gambling site. It was commonly assumed that the Federal Wire Act prohibited all forms of online gambling. However, in December 2011, the United States Department of Justice released a statement clarifying that the Wire Act applied only to sports betting sites and not to online casinos, poker, or lottery sites, leaving the definition of legality up to individual states. Certain states such as Nevada, Delaware, and New Jersey have started the process of legalising and regulating online gambling and it is expected that regulation will continue on a state by state basis.

99Casinos (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 20:21, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Increased header level to avoid corrupted talkpage structure (level 2 headers are interpreted as talkpage threads). GermanJoe (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * - casino sites and blogs like 99casinos.com are not considered reliable sources (please see WP:RS for more information). Also, just as a quick tip for future suggestions: you don't have to copypaste the entire section, if you just add new content without changing anything in the existing text. Something like "Please add a new section in X with "content here" would be sufficient for suggestions to add content. Hope this helps a bit, I'll post some more information about the mentioned domain on your user talkpage. GermanJoe (talk) 22:43, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2019
Please add new Section in "15.2	Legality" with"

Sweden Since January 1, 2019, the Swedish Gambling Authority is responsible for the licensing of new and existing participants of the gambling market, and its main function is to ensure the casino's legitimacy and safety of gamblers. The Swedish Gambling Authority is under the control of the Ministry of Finance and its Council is appointed by the Government. One of the goals is to create a safe and secure gaming market. The regulatory authority is responsible for national lotteries, slot machines, restaurant casinos and some bingo permits. The Swedish Gambling Authority is also working on clarifying Swedish law." AlexK (talk) 08:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Per WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE.  Spintendo   19:34, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2019
Please add this to Welcome Bonuses:

The United Kingdom Gambling Commission (UKGC) have announced a set of new measures that online and mobile casinos will have to apply to curb underage gambling. It’s hoped that this will increase fairness and transparency of casinos, because everyone will have to verify their identity and age before starting to gamble.

ThePaku (talk) 08:30, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I added the information but I did some minor re-wording and added a sentence about some criticism of the new rules. I also put the information in the Legality/United Kingdom section as this would be more appropriate.     Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    13:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Late to the party (sorry), but much like I disagree with the usage of the gowin blog here. Random blogs on PR platforms and commercial sites without clear evidence of expertise or fact-checking are not reliable sources. Of course such an assessment could be added, if it would be sourced to a non-promotional credible expert source. Aside from its sourcing this part of the edit is also rather vague and speculative, thus increasing the need for a high-quality expert source. GermanJoe (talk) 12:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2019
Hey friends

There is an error on the page in this paragraph:

''Non-cashable bonuses may be called "sticky" or "phantom" bonuses. See "sticky bonus" and "phantom bonus"  In both cases, the bonus forms a part of the player's balance, but cannot be cashed out. The difference between cash-able and phantom bonuses comes at cashout time. A phantom bonus is deducted from player's balance at the moment he places his withdrawal request. For example: if you deposited $100, received a $100, played and finished the wagering with $150. If the bonus is sticky, the player will be able to withdraw just $50. If bonus is cash-able, then the whole balance is available for withdrawal. '' Remove the

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Enjoy your weekend :-) /ThePaku ThePaku (talk) 09:10, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thank you for pointing this out. The whole "See ..." statement was part of a previously-removed spam reference that made no real sense now. I have removed the whole stray statement. GermanJoe (talk) 09:23, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Outdated German information
I have rewritten the outdated German information with a brief summary of the current situation. However, I am no topic expert and the details of the back and forth in courts and public discussion about this controversial topic elude me. I have linked the German main article about the closely-related "Staatsvertrag", if anyone more knowledgeable wants to try to add a few more details that are relevant for online casinos. GermanJoe (talk) 10:08, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020
The below section has spelling mistakes (mimick) and is outdated. The edit would be to talk more about the different providers that supply the online casinos - Playtech(1)/Evolution Gaming(2)/SuperSpade(3), to expand on the different types of games available (various versions of Roulette, Blackjack) and also to talk about the latest Live Dealer games that include Teenpatti, Andar Bahar, Monopoly Live (4) and - as of the 9th June 2020 - Crazy Time (5) (the most expensive casino game ever created according to Evolution Gaming).

(1) (2) (3)

Live dealer Live dealer casino games are the complete opposite of the software-based games. Instead of depending on a software to determine the outcome of the roulette spin, dice throw or deal of a card, these games depend on real-time results. This is possible as the games are streamed in real-time from a land-based casino or a studio recreated to mimick a land-based casino.

To ensure that players have an easy time playing these games and that the land-based environment is fully recreated, software developers include innovative features such as the chat feature. This enables the player to type your message to the dealer and they can respond back verbally. The live chat feature can also be used to communicate with other players seated at the table following a set of rules laid down by the casino.

The results of the physical transactions by the dealer, such as the outcome of the roulette wheel spin or the dealing of cards, are translated into data that can be utilized by the software by means of optical character recognition (OCR) technology. This enables the player to interact with the game in much the same way as they would with a virtual casino game, except for the fact that the results are determined by real-life actions rather than automated processes.

These games are a lot more expensive for websites to host than virtual games, as they involve a heavier investment in technology and staffing. A live casino studio typically employs one or more cameramen, several croupiers running the various games, an information technology manager to ensure that any technical hitches are dealt with swiftly, and a pit boss that acts as an adjudicator in case of disputes between players and croupiers.

In most cases this requires at least a three-room setup, comprising a live studio, a server/software room, and an analyst’s room. The configuration of these rooms varies from casino to casino, with some having several gaming tables in one room, and some having a single table in each room.

The high running costs involved with operating live dealer games is the reason why online casinos only tend to offer a handful of the most popular games in this format, such as roulette, blackjack, sic bo, and baccarat. In comparison, the running costs associated with virtual games are very low, and it is not uncommon for online casinos to offer hundreds of different virtual casino games to players on their site.

Online casinos vary in their approach to the hosting of live games, with some providing live games via their own television channel, and others offering the games exclusively via their website. In the case of televised games, players can often use their mobile phone or television remote controls to place bets instead of doing so via a computer connected to the internet. The most common live dealer games offered at online casinos are baccarat, blackjack and roulette.

Examples A typical selection of gambling games offered at an online casino might include:

Baccarat Blackjack Craps Roulette Sic bo Slot machines Poker Keno Bingo SmashCas (talk) 12:23, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I don't see a reason to start promoting particular websites above others. Adding details about specific games from a certain publisher also hints at a conflict of interest and is not encyclopedic anyways... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:03, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Section about casino review sites
Let's add a section about "casino review sites" or a few sentences in the beginning. It's a big part of the gambling sector as there are lots of casino sites and navigation among them is a necessary part of the online gambling experience.

There are a huge number of review sites that study casinos inside and out like AskGamblers.com for Europe, Onlinercasino.ca for North America. The ability to read a review of online casinos at any time gives online gambling transparency not possible for land-based casinos.

User cruiser Ben (talk) 14:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Let's not. Rray (talk) 03:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 * We can do it without mentioning the brands, right? User cruiser Ben (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 * We can do it if it's notable and if we have reliable sources. Of course, it's not notable because every product in the world has review sites devoted to it, so it doesn't warrant mentioning. Rray (talk) 15:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Add one more relevant online gambling software developing company
We should add SOFTSWISS as one software developer in the online gambling sector as stated in different reliable sources OR we have to delete other companies like "CryptoLogic Inc (now Amaya)", "International Game Technology", "Microgaming, Playtech", and "Realtime Gaming" as a violation of Neutral point of view. User cruiser Ben (talk) 14:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 * No, we don't have to add "A" or delete "B". That's absurd. That's also not how it works. Rray (talk) 03:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

How the pandemic impact the Canadian gambling jurisdiction
Covid-19 influences different gambling jurisdictions we should rework the whole section "Legality" country by country. Right now I got info only about Canada by my hand. I think it's value to mention that the new rule and covid 19 measures restrictions triggered land-based casinos also removed online.

The land-based gambling sector of Ontario has suffered from the COVID-19, but it pushed operators of popular land-based casinos to reopen online. User cruiser Ben (talk) 14:40, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Come on. These aren't reliable sources. They're all just pages linking to some online casino blog. Geez. Rray (talk) 03:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Rray Why www.ottawalife.com isn't a reliable source? It's a magazine with editorial staff, established a years ago with good reputation. The article got author, date, access. User cruiser Ben (talk) 11:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 * That article is just a poorly-written marketing piece with a couple of paid link drops in it. It's just spam meant to promote onlinercasino. Rray (talk) 15:44, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2022
To chapter 4 under Legality please add Romania

Romania Gambling in Romania is legal since 1990s. Though, the government created ONJN (National Gambling Office) to oversee the country’s gambling industry only in 2013. ONJN is a specialized body of the central public administration, with legal personality, subordinated to the Romanian Government, established by OUG no. 20 / 27.03.2013, approved by Law no. 227 / 19.07.2013, which operates in accordance with the provisions of GD no.298 / 29.05.2013, amended and supplemented by GD no.644 / 28.08.2013. The new gambling law 124/2015 was published on 09.06.2015 and went into effect on 12.06.2015. Since then, any company needs a First Class License from ONJN in order to provide casino games or betting in Romania in full legality. Other companies that want to run related activities on the Romanian gambling market (management / hosting / data center / advertising / payment processors, affiliation etc.) need a 2nd class license from ONJN. Any other online gambling site that does not have a license in Romania is on the ONJN blacklist and the access of Romanian players is blocked. The gambling market in Romania is very well regulated, stable and mature, which is why the List of Approved ONJN operators contains over 30 names, including top brands in the international gambling industry - like Betfair, Unibet, 888, PokerStars or GGPoker - and remains open. Fulgusin (talk) 11:48, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2022
Please remove the link to curlie; it just lists a series of online casinos. It is not obvious why Wikipedia should be in the business of endorsing, for example, 9Club.com or Lucky Admiral Casino over any other site. 98.128.180.201 (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2023

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Dubious claim: operators can only be considered legal
The 27 October 2011 edit of "Online casinos" claims:
 * According to their law, operators licensed on the territory of these countries can only be considered legal.

Doesn't make any sense. Fabrickator (talk) 01:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Google.com
google playstore apps 119.94.40.35 (talk) 18:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024
The Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR) oversees online gambling in the Philippines. PAGCOR, a government-owned and controlled corporation founded in 1977, watches various games of chance, such as casino gaming, poker, bingo, sports betting, and online gambling. Writertony (talk) 12:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , source is spam. DanCherek (talk) 23:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Casino Legality
It's important to note that the legality of a casino would depend on various factors, including its location, licensing, and compliance with local gambling laws and regulations. LB3.0dez (talk) 08:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Spam. --Count Count (talk) 14:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Online Casino Affiliate sites
If a user is looking for different ways to place a bet, he can look directly for official brand sites or affiliate sites. The advantage of those sites is that it give you not just the option to gamble, but can also help you read reviews about brands from casino experts, make a comparison between brands, and read guides and news about the industry XLMediaPLC (talk) 08:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

 * The best online casino site in USA is Juwa Casino online. You can play multiple games online and win huge jackpots. All you need to download the app and install it on your phone. For createing an account you need to contact to their team via Facebook.com or any other social media platform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmedapkdev (talk • contribs) 00:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2024
Please change The Canada section of legality to add this paragraph at the end.

In 2022 the AGCO (Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_Gaming_Commission_of_Ontario)) allowed gaming providers to operate online gambling sites under a license with iGO (iGaming Ontario). [source https://igamingbusiness.com/gaming/online-casino/ontario-opens-market/] 1432423132A (talk) 01:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Ice-nine

Ice-nine is a fictional material that appears in Kurt Vonnegut's 1963 novel Cat's Cradle. Ice-nine is described as a polymorph of ice which instead of melting at 0 °C (32 °F), melts at 45.8 °C (114.4 °F). When ice-nine comes into contact with liquid water below 45.8 °C, it acts as a seed crystal and causes the solidification of the entire body of water, which quickly crystallizes as more ice-nine. As people are mostly water, ice-nine kills nearly instantly when ingested or brought into contact with soft tissues exposed to the bloodstream, such as the eyes or tongue. It wasn't explained why the same doesn't happen by mere skin contact or inhalation of dust generated from mechanical impacts.

In the story, it is invented by Dr. Felix Hoenikker and developed by the Manhattan Project in order for the Marines to no longer need to deal with mud. The project is abandoned when it becomes clear that any quantity of it would have the power to destroy all life on Earth. In the novel's climax, the Earth's oceans are accidentally frozen solid by ice-nine, prompting a doomsday scenario.

Vonnegut encountered the idea of ice-nine while working at General Electric. He attributes the idea of ice-nine to his brother Bernard, who was researching the formation of ice crystals in the atmosphere. A later account of the events attributes the idea to the chemist Irving Langmuir, who devised the concept while helping H.G. Wells conceive ideas for stories. Vonnegut decided to adapt the idea into a story after Langmuir's death in 1957.

Real-life analogues
The phase transitions without any thermal effect and into the state of lower entropy described in the book are purely fictional and impossible according to the current mainstream physics. In the assumption that the phase transition was described inaccurately and has thermal effects, which were not described, it would have happened without any outside intervention, the initial seed being nucleated spontaneously due to fluctuations that are always present, the same way that the ordinary liquid-solid transitions happen. One also must take into account that supercooling phenomena, that can be tried to be used to describe existence of liquid water in the world of the book under standard conditions, happens in pure liquids free of nucleation centers, while natural water, containing particles, bubbles and organisms is not such. Due to the fact body fluids are solutions rather than pure water and freezing-point depression phenomena it could be possible that the ice-nine transition temperature got below human body temperature, making the described phenomena impossible.
 * While multiple polymorphs of ice do exist (they can be created under pressure), none have the properties described in the novel, and none are stable at standard temperature and pressure, that is above the ordinary melting point of ice. The real Ice IX has none of the properties of Vonnegut's creation, and can exist only at extremely low temperatures and high pressures.
 * The ice-nine-like phenomenon has occurred with a few other kinds of crystals, called "disappearing polymorphs". In these cases, a new variant of a crystal has been introduced into an environment, replacing many of the older form crystals with its own form.  One example is the anti-AIDS medicine ritonavir, where the newer polymorph destroyed the effectiveness of the drug until improved manufacturing and distribution was developed.
 * Ice-nine has been used as a model to explain the infective mechanism of mis-folded proteins called prions which are thought to catalyze the mis-folding of the corresponding normal protein leading to a variety of spongiform encephalopathies such as kuru, scrapie and Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease.
 * Ice VII, stable at room temperature but only under very high pressures.

Critical analysis
In Posthumanism in the Novels of Kurt Vonnegut, ice-nine is described as an example of a wampeter in the fictional Bokonon religion, the pivot around which a karass, or a group of randomly interrelated people, revolves. Calling it both the cause of the apocalypse and one of the book's main sources of humor, the book argues that ice-nine sets the entire tone for the novel, which is "rendered inert" by its fragmentary structure and fundamental tension. The book also states that ice-nine reverses the normal hierarchy in which living organisms use water as a resource, becoming the "successor of organic life on planet Earth".

Leonard Susskind's The Cosmic Landscape calls Cat's Cradle and its use of ice-nine a "cautionary tale about madness and instability in a world full of nuclear weapons", as well as being based on the real scientific principle of metastability. Saying that, while in the real world, liquid water at room temperature is stable, it explains that in Vonnegut's universe, normal water is only metastable, and since ice-nine is more stable than water, it will form naturally "sooner or later" even without the introduction of the seed crystal. It describes the fact that supercooled water takes on similar traits, and will completely freeze over if a normal chunk of ice is introduced. The book also relates this to the metastability of vacuums in string theory and their ability to create a diverse universe.

In Dr. Strangelove's America, Margot A. Henriksen states that ice-nine represents a collaboration between science and the military that, like with the atomic bomb, proves their "indifference to the fate of the human race", and the "inhuman and immoral results of [...] pure research". The book notes that the pure search for knowledge without "living human principles" as depicted in Cat's Cradle ultimately tarnishes science.

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Presidents of the nation Algeria since its 1962 independence from France.

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Talk:Guildford Flames

What are the numbers beside the flags in the team roster? Shirt numbers? Number of games played? Annual salary? Why all the flags anyway? The linked names don't work - where the links exist, they seem to be to canadian actors not ice hockey players! -- SGBailey 23:07, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

The numbers next to the players names are the shirt numbers which I guess isn't obvious; the flags are nationality. None of the names have correct links, which of course is disapointing but hopefully all the people named in the list and the article will eventually have individual biography articles. Y control 00:28, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

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2006-07 Bridgeport Sound Tigers
Goaltenders

 * 31 G Wade Dubielewicz
 * 35 G Billy Thompson

Defenseman

 * 2 D Kevin Mitchell
 * 4 D Mark Wotton
 * 5 D Rick Berry
 * 21 D Ryan Caldwell
 * 33 D Jason Goulet
 * 37 D Johan Halvardsson
 * 38 D Allan Rourke
 * 44 D Drew Fata

Forwards

 * 9 C Robert Nilsson
 * 14 RW Blake Comeau
 * 15 RW Masi Marjamaki
 * 17 LW Jason Pitton
 * 19 RW Luch Aquino
 * 24 C Matt Koalska
 * 27 C Jeremy Colliton
 * 29 C Petteri Nokelainen
 * 39 LW Steve Regier
 * 42 RW Peter Ferraro
 * 51 C Frans Nielsen
 * 71 C Sergei Ogorodnikov
 * 81 RW Brandon Cullen

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Would I be opening a can of worms if I asked what paper had better Wolves coverage? ccwaters 01:55, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

During the regular season the Daily Herald and Sun-Times send writers to most home Wolves games and arguably have the best coverage between them. However, during the playoffs, I've read better articles in the Daily Southtown written specifically by Tim Cronin. The Tribune rarely publishes or posts anything original. --WolfKeeper 03:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Trivia
If someone wanted to add a trivia section (for instance if there was more than just the one item to put in there), the opening credits of the HBO series Entourage features a quick shot of someone standing on a street corner wearing a Wolves sweater. It's about seven seconds in. --MyUncleMike 18:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

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