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Petrobras

Petróleo Brasileiro S.A., better known by and trading as the portmanteau Petrobras, is a state-owned Brazilian multinational corporation in the petroleum industry headquartered in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The company's name translates to Brazilian Petroleum Corporation — Petrobras.

The company was ranked #71 in the most recent Fortune Global 500 list. In the 2023 Forbes Global 2000, Petrobras was ranked as the 58th-largest public company in the world.

History

Petrobras was created in 1953 under the government of Brazilian president Getúlio Vargas with the slogan "The Oil is Ours" (Portuguese: "O petróleo é nosso"). It was given a legal monopoly in Brazil. In 1953, Brazil produced only 2,700 barrels of oil per day. In 1961, the company's REDUC refinery began operations near Rio de Janeiro, and in 1963, its Cenpes research center opened in Rio de Janeiro; it remains one of the world's largest centers dedicated to energy research. In 1968, the company established Petrobras Quimica S.A ("Petroquisa"), a subsidiary focused on petrochemicals and the conversion of naphtha into ethene.

Petrobras had begun processing oil shale in 1953, developing the Petrosix technology for extracting oil from oil shale. It began using an industrial-size retort to process shale in the 1990s. In 2006, Petrobras said that their industrial retort could process 260 tonnes/hour of oil shale.

In 1994, Petrobras put the Petrobras 36, the world's largest oil platform, into service. It sank after an explosion in 2001 and was a complete loss. In 1997, the government approved Law N.9.478, which broke Petrobras's monopoly and allowed competition in Brazil's oilfields, and also created the national petroleum agency, Agência Nacional do Petróleo (ANP), responsible for the regulation and supervision of the petroleum industry, and the National Council of Energy Policies, a public agency responsible for developing public energy policy. In 1999, the National Petroleum Agency signed agreements with other companies, ending the company's monopoly.

In 2000, Petrobras set a world record for oil exploration in deep waters, reaching a depth of 1877 m below sea level. In 2002, Petrobras acquired the Argentine company Perez Companc Energía (PECOM Energía S.A.) from the Perez Companc Family Group and its family foundation for $1.18 billion. This acquisition included assets in Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, and Ecuador, 1.1 billion barrels of crude oil reserves, and production of 181 e3BOE per day.

In 2005, Petrobras announced a joint venture with Nippon Alcohol Hanbai KK to sell Brazilian ethanol to Japan, called Brazil-Japan Ethanol. On 21 April 2006, the company started production on the P-50 oil platform in the Albacora East field at Campos Basin, which made Brazil self-sufficient in oil production. During the administration of the Workers' Party in the 2010s, Petrobras spent an estimated $40 billion subsidizing motor fuels, causing it to become the world's most indebted oil company. By November 2015, the company had accumulated $128 billion in debt, 84% of it denominated in foreign currencies.

In 2022, during the Presidency of Jair Bolsonaro under the administration of Caio Paes de Andrade, Petrobras achieved its highest net profit in history, totaling R$188.3 billion, distributing R$215.7 billion in dividends, making it the second largest dividend payer in the world.

In summer 2023, Petrobras entered into a 5-year agreement with Weatherford International for providing intervention services offshore Brazil. As part of the cooperation, the US company will also provide digitalization of production using the Centro well construction optimization platform.

Also in 2023, Petrobras announced the resumption of construction of a new production line at the Abreu e Lima refinery in Ipojuca, Pernambuco, Brazil. The initial investment in the refinery is estimated at $18.5 billion, and the refinery will refine heavy crude oil from the Pre-Salt region.

Business areas
The company operates in six business areas, listed in order of revenue:
 * Refining, transportation and marketing – refining, logistics, transportation, trading operations, oil products and crude oil exports and imports and petrochemical investments in Brazil
 * Exploration and production – crude oil, natural gas liquids (NGL) and natural gas exploration, development and production in Brazil
 * Distribution – distribution of oil products, ethanol, biodiesel and natural gas to wholesalers and through the Petrobras Distribuidora S.A. retail network in Brazil
 * Gas and power – transportation and trading of natural gas and LNG, and generation and trading of electric power, and the fertilizer business
 * International – exploration and production of oil and gas, refining, transportation and marketing, distribution and gas and power operations outside of Brazil
 * Biofuels – production of biodiesel and its co-products and ethanol-related activities such as equity investments, production and trading of ethanol, sugar and the excess electricity generated from sugarcane bagasse

Production and reserves
Petrobras controls significant oil and energy assets in 16 countries in Africa, North America, South America, Europe, and Asia.

However, Brazil represented 92% of Petrobras' worldwide production in 2014 and accounted for 97% of Petrobras' worldwide reserves on 31 December 2014, when the company had 8,112.8 e6BOE of proved developed reserves and 4,599.7 e6BOE of proved undeveloped reserves in Brazil. Of these, 62.7% were located in the offshore Campos Basin. The largest growth prospect for the company is the Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin.

In 2015, the company produced 2.284 e6BOE per day, of which 89% was petroleum and 11% was natural gas.

International investments

Reserves held outside of Brazil accounted for 8.4% of production in 2014. The majority of these reserves are in South America; the company has assets in Bolivia and Colombia.

The company also owns exploration blocks in the Gulf of Mexico., in a joint-venture with Murphy Oil.

Refineries

 * Northeast Region
 * RNEST – Abreu e Lima Refinery – Suape (Pernambuco) – 230,000 bpd
 * LUBNOR – Lubrificantes e Derivados de Petróleo do Nordeste – Fortaleza (Ceará) – 8,000 bpd

 * Southeast Region
 * REGAP – Gabriel Passos Refinery – Betim (Minas Gerais) – 150,000 bpd
 * REPLAN – Refinery of Paulínia – Paulínia (São Paulo) – 415,000 bpd
 * REVAP – Henrique Lages Refinery – São José dos Campos (São Paulo) – 252,000 bpd
 * RPBC – Presidente Bernardes Refinery - Cubatão (São Paulo) – 178,000 bpd
 * RECAP – Refinery of Capuava – Mauá (São Paulo) – 53,000 bpd
 * REDUC – Refinery of Duque de Caxias – Duque de Caxias (Rio de Janeiro) – 239,000 bpd
 * COMPERJ (Renamed GASLUB) – Itaboraí (Rio de Janeiro) – UNDER CONSTRUCTION

 * South Region
 * REPAR – Presidente Getúlio Vargas Refinery – Araucária (Paraná) – 207,563 bpd
 * REFAP – Alberto Pasqualini Refinery – Canoas (Rio Grande do Sul) – 201,280 bpd

Production
In 1961, Petrobras geologist Walter K. Link published Link's memorandum, which implied that the company was better off exploring offshore instead of onshore. In 1963, Petrobras discovered the Recôncavo Baiano and Carmópolis oil fields.

The company's growth was halted by the 1973 oil crisis. The entire country was affected, and the "Brazilian miracle", a period when annual GDP growth exceeded 10%, ended. Petrobras nearly went bankrupt. In 1974, the company discovered an oil field in the Campos Basin. This discovery boosted its finances and helped it restructure nationwide. In 1975, the Brazilian Government temporarily allowed foreign operators into Brazil, and Petrobras signed exploration contracts with foreign companies for oilfields in Brazil.

The company was affected by the 1979 energy crisis, although not nearly as badly as in 1973.

In 1997, Petrobras reached the production milestone of 1 Moilbbl per day. The company also executed agreements with other Latin American governments and began operations outside Brazil.

In 2003, on its 50th anniversary, Petrobras surpassed 2 e6BOE of daily production. On 1 May 2006, after the Bolivian gas conflict, Bolivia's president Evo Morales announced the nationalization of all gas and oil fields in the country and ordered the occupation of all fields by the Bolivian Army. On 4 May 2006, Petrobras cancelled a major future investment plan in Bolivia as a result. The Bolivian government demanded an increase in royalty payments from foreign petroleum companies to 82%, but eventually settled for a 50% royalty interest.

In 2007, Petrobras inaugurated the Petrobras 52 Oil Platform. The 52 is the biggest Brazilian oil platform and the third-biggest in the world.

In 2007 and 2008, Petrobras made several major oil discoveries including the Tupi oil field (formerly known as the Lula oil field), the Jupiter field, and the Sugar Loaf field, all in the Santos Basin, 300 km off the coast of Rio de Janeiro. The oil fields were discovered by partnerships that include Petrobras, Royal Dutch Shell, and Galp Energia. However, estimates for the reserves of these new fields varied widely.

The P-51 Platform, the first semisubmersible platform built entirely in Brazil, capable of producing up to 180,000 barrels of oil per day, started production in the Campos Basin in January 2009, and in February 2009, China agreed to loan Petrobras US$10 billion in exchange for a supply of 60,000–100,000 barrels of oil per day to a subsidiary of Sinopec and 40,000-60,000 barrels of oil per day to PetroChina. In August 2009, Petrobras acquired ExxonMobil's Esso assets in Chile for US$400 million.

In September 2010, Petrobras completed a US$70 billion share offering, the largest share offering in history, to be used to develop newly discovered oil fields. Giovanni Biscardi and Machado Meyer represented Petrobras. Biscardi brought his Brazilian corporate practice to Greenberg Traurig in January 2020.

In 2012, Petrobras surrendered permits to explore offshore in New Zealand. Petrobras did not provide a reason but the New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said the decision was "not a reflection on the capacity to undertake deep-sea drilling or the prospect of activity of that area". He attributed the decision to a regrouping by the company after some setbacks.

In July 2013, a worker strike action shut down production at several of the company's oil platforms. In September 2013, Petrobras sold eleven onshore exploration and production blocks in Colombia to Perenco for US$380 million.

In September 2013 Organizações Globo reported on national television that the US National Security Agency (NSA) had been spying on Petrobras. The information was based on a top secret NSA file provided to Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald by Edward Snowden as part of the Global surveillance disclosures. The file showed that Petrobras was one of several targets for the NSA's Blackpearl program, which extricates data from private networks. Petrobras announced that it was investing R$21 billion over five years to improve its data security.

In 2014, the company sold its assets in Peru to PetroChina for US$2.6 billion. Also in 2014, Petrobras set a new company record for average daily production of 2.863 e6BOE.

In January 2017, the company concluded the sale of 100 percent of Petrobras Chile Distribuición Ltda (PCD) to the Southern Cross Group. The transaction included the licensing of the Petrobras and Lubrax brands for 8 years. To operate the assets acquired from Petrobras in Chile, Southern Cross created Esmax, a company that acts as a Petrobras licensee in the fuel and lubricant distribution segments. In March 2019, the company concluded the sale of 100 percent of Petrobras Paraguay Distribución Limited (PPDL UK), Petrobras Paraguay Operaciones y Logística SRL (PPOL) and Petrobras Paraguay Gas SRL (PPG) to the Grupo Copetrol, through its subsidiary Paraguay Energy. The agreement provides for the licensing for the exclusive use of the Petrobras brand by Nextar (the successor of Petrobras Paraguay Operaciones y Logística SRL) at that country’s service stations, for the initial term of five years. In February 2021, the company concluded the sale of entire stake in Petrobras Uruguay Distribución S.A. (PUDSA), by indirect subsidiary (Petrobras Uruguay Sociedad Anónima de Inversión -PUSAI), in Uruguay, to Mauruguay S.A., an indirect wholly-owned subsidiary of Disa Corporación Petrolífera S.A. (DISA).

In January 2020, Petroleo Brasileiro stated that it ended all of its business in Africa after completing the sale of a 50% stake in Petrobras Oil & Gas BV.

Ownership
The Brazilian government directly owns 54% of Petrobras' common shares with voting rights, while the Brazilian Development Bank and Brazil's Sovereign Wealth Fund (Fundo Soberano) each control 5%, bringing the State's direct and indirect ownership to 64%. The privately held shares are traded on B3, where they are part of the Ibovespa index. It is also listed in the New York Stock Exchange in the form of American depositary receipts and in the Madrid Stock Exchange.

Social responsibility
Petrobras is a major supporter of the arts in Brazil.

Operation Car Wash and related protests in Brazil
Operation Car Wash (Operação Lava Jato) was a criminal investigation by the Federal Police of Brazil's Curitiba branch. Originally a money laundering investigation, it expanded to cover allegations of corruption at Petrobras, where executives allegedly accepted bribes in return for awarding contracts to construction firms at inflated prices. The aim of the investigation was to ascertain the extent of a money laundering scheme, estimated by the Regional Superintendent of the Federal Police of Paraná State in 2015 at BRL6.4–42.8 billion (US$– billion), largely through the embezzlement of Petrobras funds.

The authorities issued over a thousand warrants against business figures and politicians. It also led to a wave of arrests. Fernando Soares, also known as "Fernando Baiano," a businessman and lobbyist, was allegedly the connection between major Brazilian construction firms and the government formed by the Workers’ Party(PT) and Brazilian Democratic Movement (PMDB). Between 2014 and February 2016, the Federal Public Prosecutor's Office (Ministério Público da União) filed 37 criminal charges against 179 people, mostly politicians and businessmen. Former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and then President Dilma Rousseff were also implicated.

On 8 March 2016, Marcelo Odebrecht, CEO of Odebrecht and grandson of the company's founder, was sentenced to 19 years in prison after being convicted of paying more than $30 million in bribes to Petrobras executives. Eduardo Cunha, president of the Chamber of Deputies from 2015 to 2016, was convicted of taking approximately $40 million in bribes and hiding funds in secret bank accounts and sentenced to 15 years in prison.

Protests broke out calling for the resignation or impeachment of President Rousseff. The most widespread of these occurred on 13 March 2016 in over 300 municipalities. Police estimates gave about 3.5 million protestors throughout the country. Some of the protests were in areas previously thought of as strongholds of the Workers Party, of which Rousseff was the leader.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation sued Petrobras and its auditors, PriceWaterhouseCoopers as a result of the corruption scandal. In January 2018, Petrobras agreed to pay $2.95 billion to settle a U.S class action corruption lawsuit. Later in September 2018, Petrobras agreed to pay $853.2 million to settle with Brazilian and U.S. authorities. Petrobras settled with shareholder Vanguard Group in June 2017.

On 1 February 2023 The company informs that received the amount of R $132 million, as victim-beneficiary of the award-winning collaboration agreement signed between the Federal Prosecutor's Office and Rogério Santos de Araújo, before the Supreme Court.

Environmental record
Petrobras's website notes several initiatives to preserve the environment. These include efforts to support both ocean and forest ecosystems. Most notably, Petrobras has sponsored population studies and conservation efforts for humpback whales in northeast Brazil. The company's efforts helped to rebuild Brazil's humpback whale populations from 2,000 in the mid-nineties to over 9,000 in 2008.

Petrobras subscribes to the United Nations Global Compact, a voluntary agreement regarding human rights, working conditions, corruption, and the environment.

In 2008, the Spanish consultancy firm Management and Excellence named Petrobras the world's most sustainable oil company.

Sponsorships and namesakes

 * In the Speed Racer live-action movie, one of the cars featured is the "Green Energy", a biodiesel-fueled racing car sponsored by Petrobras.
 * Petrobras sponsored the Brazilian Série A from 2009 to 2012.
 * Petrobras was a secondary sponsor for the AT&T Williams F1 Team from 1998 to 2008 and signed again with Williams F1 from 2014 onwards. From 2018, Petrobras left Williams and sponsored McLaren, but cancelled their sponsorship at the end of 2019.
 * Petrobras sponsored the Clube de Regatas do Flamengo in Brazil from 1984 to 2009, Racing Club de Avellaneda from 2002 to 2006, Club Atlético River Plate in Argentina from 2006 to 2012 and Universidad de Chile in Chile from 2019 to 2021.
 * The sauropod dinosaur Petrobrasaurus is named after the company.
 * Petrobras sponsored the game Copa Petrobras de Marcas, an unfinished version of Stock Car Extreme by Reiza Studios, the creators of the Automobilista series.

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I'm in the middle of reformatting that to match the 2003-04 NHL season, which seems to be the optimal template for all of this. So, yes, I'm aware it's half-done, but it's being worked on over the course of the weekend. Doogie2K 21:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
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i think the contreversial non-goal in gave 6 of the calgary flames-tampa bay fianl series should deserve mention, as it would have been a stanley cup win for the calgary flames --Chickendude 07:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add mention of it. As for that goal, it wasn't a goal. Masterhatch 08:22, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Twenty-five of our favourites...
Do we really need twenty-five top scorers? Wouldn't, say, ten suffice? Doogie2K 19:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Dan Snyder
He died before the season, but after playing pre-season games. Shouldn't he be listen under 2002-03 season which was the last when he actually played NHL regular-season game?BleuDXXXIV (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

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Nares Lake

Nares Lake is a lake in the southern Yukon between Bennett Lake and Tagish Lake that lies below Nares Mountain. Nares Lake is in fact an arm of Tagish Lake. The community of Carcross is on the Nares Narrows between Bennett and Tagish Lake, along the Klondike Highway. The primary inflow to and outflow from the lake is the Nares River. Both the river and the lake are named after Admiral George Nares.

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Skirmunt

Skirmunt is a surname. Notable people with the surname include:

 * Helena Skirmunt (1827–1874), Polish painter
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"The entire 1,230-game schedule [...]"

2003–04 NHL season had 82 games, 2005–06 NHL season had 82 games, but this skipped season had 15 times as much?

Yes I can imagine where the difference comes from, but it's badly written anyway, in at least one of the articles. 91.10.48.227 (talk) 01:25, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:List of NHL seasons

List to table
I went ahead and changed the structure of this article from a messy grouping of links to a numbered table to better tell which NHL season was which. Now it's very simple to find out, for instance, which season was the 50th or something. I also removed the NHA seasons, since those are included already in the List of pre-NHL seasons. I just need help filling in start/end dates. Anything else that should be in the table? Jmj713 (talk) 22:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

 * It was reverted I guess, but it's now updated to several tables to include the information. I suggest we keep the NHA table because of the cross-over of teams, schedule format, etc. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 16:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I already told you, you've done an excellent job with the article, bringing it up to a whole new level. I think the same should be done with the list of pre-NHL seasons, too. Jmj713 (talk) 16:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea. After finishing this one. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 16:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Further columns
When I saw the revert, I looked into the other contrib of the anon -- cutting back List of NBA seasons. Anyway, List of NBA seasons also has links for the playoffs and finals for that season. Which I think we should do for the NHL seasons article. What do you think? The column header 'Year' used in the NBA article is not too clear, though. What should we use? Also, a reference column is probably a good idea, although we need probably more than one reference per season. The only issue (for now) is that not all playoff season articles are done. Something I've been working on in the background, so maybe we can just link Finals articles. Of course, we could put this off until all of those articles are up to scratch. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 16:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking about doing that as we were expanding the list. I think the tables definitely do need a Playoffs and a Finals columns. We do have very few articles of the older playoffs, and that should be rectified hopefully. Putting redlinks in the tables will allow for a good overview of what's missing. Jmj713 (talk) 16:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've started with the Current Era. I'll do it a section at a time. I think the first era from 1915 will be all redlinks for playoffs. Maybe in that first era, the articles should be named NHL playoffs, not Stanley Cup playoffs. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 16:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. DO we know what they were called in the press at the time? Jmj713 (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Season numbers
You say they are referred to as if the 04-05 season didn't happen. Can you show me where? Because the big 100th anniversary of the Canadians didn't remove the 04-05 season. Its long been held in the wikiproject that seasons are more than just the games. For example the draft still happened in the 04-05 season. Other league business still happened. The season still happened, just the games did not. Which is why we still have seperate season pages for the league and all the teams and why we label the 04-05 season as the 87th (See 2004-05 Toronto Maple Leafs season) and the next year the 88th (See 2005-06 Toronto Maple Leafs season). -DJSasso (talk) 17:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

 * If so, why are the Blue Jackets celebrating their 10th season this season, instead of last season? Jmj713 (talk) 17:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My guess is that they are doing what the Flames did. The Flames called it their 26th NHL season in Calgary while the team celebrated its 25th season of play in 2005-06. -DJSasso (talk) 17:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The 100th referred to 100 years since founding. (Founded in December 1909) Giving the lock-out year a number seems to be confusing when reading the article. The lock-out year was NOT a season of play. Yeah, there are articles for the teams and the league, but that doesn't make it a season of play. And that's what I think the table column defines, nothing else. I don't know why the Leafs article is like that. I don't think the other teams are like that. I doubt the Leafs 'officially' count it that way. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 17:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Most if not all of the team articles are like that. I have no problem with going either way. I just think we should be consistant. -DJSasso (talk) 17:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

 * I think we should correct those articles. We should define the numbering as 'season of play' and that should not be a source of disagreement, no? ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 17:58, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Season (sport) defines season as 'in session'. So there was no session that year. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 18:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup rewording to that would work fine. -DJSasso (talk) 18:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In the first line of the article there is a link to season. But I'll make the sentence clear. The Leaf's article was in error. It said -- would have been 87th -- when it would have been the 88th. I'll look at all of the season articles to be consistent. Are you otherwise happy with our work on this article? I'd like to work it up to FL. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 18:06, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah looks pretty good, and yeah I noticed that soon as I went to the Flames article. Was going to change the example but you had already replied so didn't want to make your comment out of context. -DJSasso (talk) 18:10, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

All-time top record holders
I think this could use a column to the right (non-sortable) listing all of the seasons that each team had the top record, like is done at the Stanley Cup champions article? ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 16:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly. I'm always for more information, not less. Jmj713 (talk) 16:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Eras
Looking at this list and the History of the NHL articles, they break down nicely into 25-year chunks. We have here the "Early Years" from 1917 to 1942 (seasons 1 through 25), then "Original Six" from 1942 to 1967 (seasons 25 through 50), then the "Expansion years" from 1967 to 1992 (seasons 51 to 75), so it stands to reason the following era would last from 1992 to 2017 (seasons 76 to 100) (not sure what we'd call this yet), and then the real "Current era" would be the next 25 seasons starting in 2017 with the 101st season, coinciding with Vegas starting play. Makes sense, right? Jmj713 (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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John A. Dawson (geographer)

John Alan Dawson is Professor of Marketing at the University of Edinburgh; he is a Geographer, and specialist in retail innovation,

Dawson graduated in Geography from University College London in 1965 with an interest in urban geography. He then studied for an MPhil on central place theory and the work of the early economists, completing his formal education in 1970 with a PhD from the University of Nottingham with a thesis on the post-war changes in retailing in selected European regions.

He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Scotland. He is a distinguished professor at the University of Marketing and Distribution Sciences in Kobe, Japan, and he holds a visiting professorship at ESADE Barcelona in Spain. He received a Senior Research Fellowship in 2005 from the Spanish Ministry of Education. He held the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science Fellowship in 2004 at Saitama University and in 2006 at Kobe University.

Academic Posts

 * 1971-1974 Lecturer in Geography, University of Wales, Lampeter.
 * 1974-1981 Senior Lecturer in Geography, University of Wales, Lampeter
 * 1981-1983 Reader in Geography, University of Wales, Lampeter
 * 1983-1990 Fraser of Allander Chair of Distributive Studies and Director of Institute for Retail Studies, University of Stirling.
 * 1993-1998 Head of Department of Business Studies, University of Edinburgh
 * 1993-2009 Professor of Marketing, University of Edinburgh

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There was a move discussion here which affected this page. Dolovis (talk) 20:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Born June 14... 1894 !
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I think the real year of his birth is 1894, not 1895... and you ? -> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMC1-5WL Thanks. --Danielvis08 (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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OK... maybe I don't get it... but I can't clarify ''Ballard had a lot of trouble firing people face to face. Stan Obodiac worked for Maple Leaf Gardens and once wrote a letter to the Toronto Star stating that Ballard was worthy of the Order of Canada. [10] The day of Obodiac’s funeral, Ballard had a Gardens employee go to his house and pick up his car.'' because I don't know what it means. Pick up Ballard's car? Pick up the dead guy's car? Pick up a company car that belonged to MLG/Ballard? What does this have to do with firing??? Someone please clarify this or I will just remove it. CokeBear (talk) 07:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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Shootyz Groove

Shootyz Groove is an American rap rock band formed in Bronx, New York City, New York in 1992.

History
Formed in 1992, the band originally consisted of Donny on guitar, Spec on bass guitar, Dose on drums, and their two MCs Season and Sense. Within two years the band had a record deal with Mercury Records and released a live EP (recorded in Queens) in 1994, with their first full-length album, Jammin' in Vicious Environments (J.I.V.E.), released a year later on vinyl and CD. In support of their album, Shootyz Groove toured with many acts on both ends of their musical spectrum, including The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Slayer, Boogie Down Productions and 311. By 1995, bass guitarist Spec had left the band, they were no longer with Mercury Records, and they released their hard-to-find live album, Live J.I.V.E..

After recruiting a new bass guitar player, Paul "Freak Love", and thanks to frequent touring, the band was signed by Roadrunner Records. In June 1997, they released their first Roadrunner Records album, Hipnosis. Shootyz Groove then moved to Reprise Records and resurfaced two years later with High Definition and gained popularity with single "L Train". Shootyz Groove broke up after this album, some of the members starting a band called Dead Fly Syndrome. In 2004, Shootyz Groove reappeared. They have released a demo of "Heard That All Before" taken from their forthcoming, untitled album on their website. In early versions of iTunes, "L Train" was bundled. Some of their tracks, including "Blow Your Top" and "Mad For It", were included in the PlayStation game, Street Skater 2. "Mad For It" was also featured in the game Shaun Palmer's Pro Snowboarder. Eventually, they signed to a Japanese label.

Band members

 * Current members
 * Season Love – lead vocals (1992––present)
 * Sense Live – lead vocals (1992––present)
 * Donny Rock – lead guitar (1992–present)
 * Paul "Freak Love" – bass guitar (1995–present)
 * Dose Big – drums (1992–present)

 * Former members
 * Spec – bass guitar (1992–1995)

Discography

 * Respect EP (1993)
 * Jammin' In Vicious Environments (J.I.V.E.) (1994)
 * Generation Of Hope (EP with downset.) (1995)
 * Live J.I.V.E. (1995)
 * Hipnosis (1997)
 * High Definition (1999)
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Talk:Gary Bettman

2011-2012 Lockout?
Why is the 2012 lockout not listed like the others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.152.74 (talk) 03:04, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

It's the 2012/2013 lockout, but yeah, it definitely needs to be in there with the same detail as the first two. 71.205.151.50 (talk) 16:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Roy

Section Removed
I removed the 2006 and onward section because it reads like hearsay and is missing reliable sources. --BillyRamirez 01:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the HE SUCKS at the top of the page because even though I agree, its not really appropriate to post here. Jeffy b 06:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone else here: Why is the Judaism so prominent? How is it relevant? Does it really matter?

Bon Cop, Bad Cop

 * Was pariodied in the movie Bon Cop, Bad Cop by a character named Harry Buttman who served in the same position and who was going to sell the Montréal team to the US. Unsure of where or how to add this if even necessary. Lsjzl 13:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

criticism section
I think the criticism section should be greatly limited or even eliminated because it is very anti-bettman (see WP:NPOV). For example it referenced several teams declaring bankruptcy, if you're going to mention that you ought to mention that most have come out of bankrupcty (see Buffalo Sabres, now the number one team in league who also sold out all seats for the year).Eleigh33 20:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

- I tend to agree. I realize that this article had a neutrality tag, but if that entire piece on Bettman's supposed faults and injustices upon the game is allowed to stay, I'm going to write an equally lengthy piece on the meritable things that he's brought to hockey. At any rate, the link to the FireBettman site isn't germaine to any objective article, in my opinon. Predshockey17 08:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC) ---Try talking to hockey fans. Not a single one has anything good to say about Bettman. If anything the criticism needs to be expanded to detail the fact he's helped cause three lockouts in his tenure.

-I did some editing on the section, added a couple sources. I did remove these two chunks that were total bias:

 * Despite the fact that the instigator rule was added the offseason before Gary Bettman took over as commissioner, fighting advocates such as CBC commentator and former Boston Bruins coach Don Cherry argue that "Bettman's instigator rule" has unnecessarily reduced fighting in the game, as well as restricted the ability of players to protect their teammates. Critics of fighting in hockey argue that fights happen for no reason, but because of the instigator rule, fights are not allowed to happen for a reason because the instigating player will be assessed an additional penalty. ---just made no sense and didnt really relate to Bettman himself

 * He has also expanded to many non-hockey markets where there is not enough interest in hockey to sustain an NHL team.   ---first he doesnt expand the league votes, and second if there wasnt interest the would have folded (plus carolina won the cup last year)

So these are out, but they're here if someone really wants to rework them, source them and put them back in.eLeigh33 05:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I going to delete the section, and the we can rework or just eliminate it. If only there was a way to source radio shows, that section would have too much reference. The Evil Clown Please review me! 14:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Any important job will certainly have successes and failures and it would be unjustified to purposively not summarize these broad sentiments here. For example, right now after the whole "moving the team to Hamilton" fiasco (in addition to several others), there is a strong sentiment that Bettman only cares about questionably potential revenue vs real support. This is most evidently felt in Canada at the moment where Winnipeg has a brand new stadium (and certain revenue guaranteed) or not moving the team to Hamilton which is around millions of hockey starved Southern Ontarians (Leafs tickets being too expensive). That is not to say that Bettman hasn't done positive things for Canada and for hockey, simply that to not give a full account of his potential criticisms and success would not sufficiently reflect his tenure as commissioner. Again, any important job will and must have these competing views. What kind of article are we creating on him if we present it with such a particular bias? Canking 00:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

- If you ask me, he should have his own page of this on Wikipedia, hes an asshole.--Dr. Pizza (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Pictures
We need some pictures of him

Pictures
If anyone has some pictures of him it would me much appreciated if you would post them.

205.250.191.69 22:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

POV
This article is ridiculous...Did Gary Bettman write this himself?

"This form of cap was something that his MLB and NBA counterparts, Bud Selig and David Stern, respectively, had been unable or unwilling to do."

"Many believe this tactic was necessary to save small-market teams from eventual bankruptcy. "

 * Maybe if hockey teams in depressed "small market" Southern shitholes like Tampa Bay and Raleigh - cities that are lucky to see a week of sub-freezing temperatures a year - are unsustainable, then perhaps these teams don't belong in these cities. Scrap the salary cap, all it does is act to keep hockey teams afloat in Southern markets where hockey teams don't belong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.183.178.138 (talk • contribs).
 * This talk page is for improving this article. Whining about what the NHL has done (and using a couple of very bad examples to boot) belongs on a message board, not here. Resolute 03:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * " Southern Shitholes" WTF are you talking about, both Carolina and Tampa have great fan bases, where do y ou get your infromation, I do agree that more teams should be in Canada and to move team not doing well in attendance, (Like Nashville) to Canada, but they surly ain't shitholes --Mr.Deathhawk (talk) 22:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "This article is ridiculous...Did Gary Bettman write this himself?"
 * I completely agree. Although past incarnations of the article may have been too biased in the anti-Bettman direction, the current incarnation (I'm writing this on 9/30/09) reads more like a résumé than an article. Removing all references to the controversy Bettman has created/overseen would be like removing all references to controversy in the Alan Eagleson article (q.v.). It's inappropriate and historically lopsided to keep this article in the current state. This article really needs to be deleted and completely rewritten from scratch. This article is currently rated C- for good reason. I would personally rate it a D. Someone really needs to take a crack at rewriting this with a more neutral POV, certainly not Bettman bashing, but definitely not the Bettman glorification that this is while intentionally ignoring the controversy.AE Logan (talk) 19:11, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I dislike bettman as much as the next guy but this is actually a quite neutral article which is what all bios have to be. You can add negative things to the bio but they have to be sourced. -DJSasso (talk) 19:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah, aside from prominently mentioning the complaints of his "Americanization" of the game and "anti-Canadian" bias, complaints of the move away from traditional markets, his position as a central figure of two lockouts, being regarded one of the worst managers in sports in 2004 and the complaints over the FOX and Versus TV deals, there's hardly anything mentioning controversy at all. Oh, wait, nevermind.    As DJ notes, if you have any additions that can be supported by reliable sources, feel free to make additions.  Keep in mind, however, that POV goes both ways, and an attempt to slant the article in an unfairly negative light will not be accepted.  Leave opinion at the door. Resolute 19:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Question
I read the following sentance several times, but it don't make sense :

 * "...However, those areas that showed interest in hockey whereas the only cities that the league expanded to under his watch, St. Paul, Atlanta, Nashville, and Columbus..."

Could I get some feedback on what exactly this means? Thnaks. --Mr.Deathhawk (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, to be honest. That entire paragraph (hell, the entire article) needs re-writing.  This passage specifically is preceded by a factual error as well, since the expansion to San Jose (Ziegler), Tampa and Anaheim (Stein) were led by previous Presidents of the NHL, not by Bettman.  I'll reword this passage to start, however. Resolute 01:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Complete rewrite
I've completely rewritten this article over the last month to balance and source it. Hopefully I haven't missed any major concepts. Resolute 23:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Problematic statement

 * In addition, four franchises relocated during Bettman's tenure: The Minnesota North Stars to Dallas (1993), the Quebec Nordiques to Denver (1995), the Winnipeg Jets to Phoenix (1996) and the Hartford Whalers to Raleigh (1997).[12]

The Hartford Whalers originally moved to Greensboro, North Carolina and not Raleigh. Eventhough it's cited, the statement isn't factually accurate. In addition, Raleigh is not as well known a city as the other three. So for these reasons, I'm changing it to read "to North Carolina". --Pwnage8 (talk) 06:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

 * According to http://hurricanes.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=2738 they moved to Raleigh but played their first two seasons in Greensboro. To wit, their office was (is?) in Morrisville, NC. Saying they moved to Greensboro is like saying the New York Giants moved to New Jersey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbramley (talk • contribs) 20:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The Whalers always intended to play in Raleigh, they just had to have a stadium built. In the meantime, they played in the Greensboro Coliseum, which is less than an hour from Raleigh. And last time I checked, Raleigh is pretty well known. Most state capitals are. There are three major universities within 15 minutes of Raleigh (one of them is in Raleigh). Maybe you've heard of them: North Carolina, NC State and Duke. I would take it a step further than jbramley's NYG analogy. The Washington Nationals always intended to build a new stadium, but they played their first season in DC in RFK. That doesn't mean the Expos moved to one part of DC, only to move again a year later (RFK and Nationals Park are on opposite sides of the city). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.4.107.154 (talk) 14:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Under the heading "public perception" the following sentence contains an error:

" In April 2017, Bettman announced that the NHL would not be taking part in the 2018 Winter Olympics, a decision that was confirmed in November 2018 and was widely unpopular among players. "

It should say "November 2017" not 2018 174.88.100.66 (talk) 00:53, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks for bringing attention to this typo. RudolfRed (talk) 01:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2018
Please add under education and family, that Gary Bettman graduated from Half Hollow Hills High School in the class of 1970. Bozakaxel (talk) 17:32, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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Gramatic error/ typo
The sentence “In November 2018, he was be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame.” contains a typo. Johnrtwomey (talk) 01:35, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Sirius XM NHL Home Ice
is channel 91 on XM, not 204 (it may be 204 on Sirius, I do not know) 137.83.224.164 (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

That game last night
That was a goal that Toronto scored last night game u should look at that again because Toronto should of won that game last night 2607:FEA8:D622:4E00:CE41:177E:C14F:C315 (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 * Na. Toronto lost. Get over it! 216.81.20.200 (talk) 21:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As long as Bettman is at the Helm, no Canadian Team will EVER win The Stanley Cup. Montreal won it the last time when he took over and no Canadian Team has won it since or ever will. 216.81.20.200 (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I can’t stand Bettman, he shouldn’t be able to control NHL games, everybody should be able to have a fair chance, but with him in there he’s such a hateful man, I said fans we should be able to get them out of there 76.89.121.111 (talk) 13:32, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Chesney Allen

William Ernest Chesney Allen (5 April 1894 – 13 November 1982) was a popular English entertainer of the Second World War period. He is best remembered for his comedy and music double act with Bud Flanagan as duo Flanagan and Allen.

Life and career
Allen was born in Brighton, Sussex, in 1894, married Aleta Cosette Turner in Leeds in 1926 and died in Midhurst, West Sussex, in 1982.

He began his career in straight acting, making his debut in stock at the Wimbledon Theatre, London, in 1912. Serving in Flanders in the First World War, he made friends with Bud Flanagan, and but they did not work together until 1926, touring with a Florrie Forde show called "Here's to You". As music hall comedians they would often feature a mixture of comedy and music in their act and this led to a successful recording career and roles in film and television. Flanagan and Allen were also members of the Crazy Gang and worked together in that team for many years.

Flanagan and Allen's songs featured the same, usually gentle humour for which the duo were known in their live performances, and during the war reflected the experiences of ordinary people during wartime. Songs like "We're Going to Hang Out the Washing on the Siegfried Line" mocked the German defences (Siegfried Line), while others like "Miss You" sang of missing one's sweetheart during enforced absences. Other songs such as their best-known "Underneath the Arches" (which Flanagan co-wrote with Reg Connelly) had universal themes such as friendship, which, again, helped people relate to the subject matter. The music was usually melodic, following a binary verse–verse–chorus structure, with a small dance band or orchestra providing the backing. The vocals were distinctive because, while Flanagan was at least a competent singer and sang the melody lines, Allen used an almost spoken delivery to provide the harmonies.

Flanagan and Allen stopped performing together with Chesney Allen's retirement on health grounds in the late 1950s following the penultimate season of the Crazy Gang's show at the Victoria Palace Theatre in London (his place for the final season was taken by 'Monsewer' Eddie Gray), although he continued working in theatrical management and returned to make occasional guest appearances. His last recording was for the album of the stage show Underneath the Arches in 1982.

Chesney Hawkes is named after Chesney Allen.

Selected filmography

 * Wild Boy (1934)
 * O-Kay for Sound (1937)
 * Alf's Button Afloat (1938)
 * We'll Smile Again (1942)
 * Theatre Royal (1943)
 * Dreaming (1944)
 * Here Comes the Sun (1946)
 * Dunkirk (1958)
 * Life Is a Circus (1960)

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Chestfield & Swalecliffe railway station

Chestfield and Swalecliffe railway station is on the Ramsgate branch of the Chatham Main Line in England, serving the villages of Chestfield, Swalecliffe and the Eastern region of the town of Whitstable, Kent. It is 60 mi down the line from London Victoria and is situated between Whitstable and Herne Bay.

The station and all trains that serve the station are operated by Southeastern.

It was originally opened as "Swalecliffe Halt" on 6 July 1930 by Southern Railway. It was later renamed "Chestfield & Swalecliffe Halt", shortened to "Chestfield" in 1987 and reverted to "Chestfield and Swalecliffe" in 1989. Although the railway station itself actually lies in the village of Swalecliffe, nearby Chestfield is substantially the bigger village.

There are waiting shelters and an Up side booking office, which is open for a few hours each morning; the platforms are built of rails and sleepers. The "down" ticket office was burnt down by vandals in 1989.

Services

All services at Chestfield & Swalecliffe are operated by Southeastern using  and  EMUs.

The typical off-peak service in trains per hour is:

 * 1 tph to London Victoria
 * 1 tph to Ramsgate

Additional services including trains to and from London Bridge and London Cannon Street call at the station in the peak hours. The station is also served by a small number of High Speed services to London St Pancras International.


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Hinderton Hall

Hinderton Hall is a country house to the northeast of Neston, Cheshire, England.

History
The house was built in 1856 for Christopher Bushell, a Liverpool wine merchant. The architect, who designed and oversaw the work on the Hall was Alfred Waterhouse. It was "an exceptionally early work", designed before his first major commission, the Manchester Assize Courts. Extensions to the house were built in the 20th century for Sir Percy Bates, chairman of the Cunard Line, and the estate now has cottages and a Chapter House. Over the years, the building and grounds had been used as offices, hosting weddings and corporate events. The house has since been a privately owned family home.

Architecture
Hinderton Hall is constructed in coursed rock-faced sandstone, with ashlar quoins and dressings. Its plan is approximately square. The house has tall gables, and steep roofs in patterned slate. At the corner of the entrance front is a thin tower. Internally, the entrance hall contains the staircase, with the reception rooms grouped around it. Waterhouse designed three lodges and a stable block in a similar style. The house is recorded in the National Heritage List for England as a designated Grade II listed building, as is the estate’s entrance lodge and back cottage.

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“Kent”
Back in his day, there were no shortage of radio and tv stations that said Cooke adddd the "Kent" to his name, just because he liked the sound of it. Someone please find a source for this. I would do it, but I just remembered I hate the WMF and Wikipedians.

Deletions
An editor has repeatedly deleted (admittedly, longer-than-they-needed-to-be) text supported by ample RS coverage re the felony arrest of Cooke's daughter. Writing as his excuse that the material is not about Cooke. Well -- of course, as in normal in such sections -- the entire section is about Cooke's wives and children. That's perfectly appropriate. And this series of incidents -- the alleged felony, as well as the later felony charging, the court court appearance, and the hate crime probe -- are all heavily covered ... internationally, in fact ... by the Washington Post, ABC News, People, New York Daily News, New York Post, Fox News, The Daily Beast, The Times, International Business Times UK, The Kansas City Star, The Times of Israel, Arutz Sheva,  Tablet Magazine, "Jacqueline Kent Cooke, Daughter of Redskins Owner Jack Kent Cooke, Charged After Anti-Semitic Assault," W Magazine,  "Daughter of Former NFL Team Owner Arrested for Assault Following Anti-Semitic Rant," The Western Journal, "Daughter of ex-Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke arrested after alleged anti-Semitic assault," WJLA, "Daughter of late Redskins owner could face hate-crime charge over alleged glass-purse attack," Canoe, "Jack Kent & Suzanne Martin, Jacqueline Cooke’s Parents: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know", Heavy and others, in full articles devoted to it. The deletions were not appropriate, and lacked consensus as well. --2604:2000:E016:A700:1188:984B:A470:78F1 (talk) 17:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

 * It still feels WP:UNDUE. The incident is, ultimately, a saucy but inconsequential high society item that doesn't affect Cooke himself, since he's dead and all. If his daughter were a notable person, then it's fine to include. in her article, but we wouldn't include this for the same reason that we don't add Jaden Smith news items to Will Smith's article. Ytoyoda (talk) 19:09, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * At wikipedia, we don't go by what it "feels" like to one editor. (And here -- that one editor, in the face of the very heavy international coverage devoted to this series of incidents, is saying that one sentence is undue ... which "feels" odd. It is not undue, because it is one sentence, where there are dozens of articles, in RSs, covering this series of incidents. The assertion that we don't mention such facts because they relate to immediate family, not the subjecty of the article, is at odds with countless wikipedia articles, including this one, including in this very section. You can't be serious. Wikipedia doesn't care whether an editor thinks an article is saucy or not saucy. Whether it is a high society item or the opposite. Whether Cooke is alive or dead. You're simply making all of those "tests" up. They have nothing to do with wikipedia standards. The reason this is appropriate here is laid out above: a) this series of events is heavily reported on by many RSs, including high level RSs, with entire articles devoted to them, in a number of countries; b) the one sentence is not at all "undue"; just the opposite; c) there is no requirement that Cooke be alive (one of many odd, invented criteria); and d) you are editing against consensus -- which is flatly not allowed, as you have now reverted multiple editors. 2604:2000:E016:A700:1188:984B:A470:78F1 (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, it is undue. I don't care one bit about the sourcing. Plenty of things that don't belong on Wikipedia articles get news coverage. The issue is that it's an incident that doesn't affect Jack Kent Cooke himself, and is a case of WP:NOTNEWS. And where is this "consensus" that you're talking about? There's the another anonymous editor and you. I'm really not getting where this hostility is coming from. Ytoyoda (talk) 21:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Since I don't see this discussion going anywhere, I'll let more editors chime in at Wikipedia talk:Notability/Noticeboard. Feel free to chime in. Ytoyoda (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: The Notability Noticeboard has been closed for several years and is inactive.

 * Shouldn't this information be on a page devoted to her than on Cooke's page? Especially since the incident occurred more than 20 years after his death...Shabeki (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

BLP Violation
Wikipedia content is based on policies and guidelines. Just because something is verifiable does not mean it should be included. Although the reference to Ms. Cooke's alleged assault appears to be in violation of WP:NOT policy ( Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not) and WP:UNDUE (Haberkorn has also been charged in the incident), that is not the main issue. Clearly inclusion of this information is a violation of WP:BLPCRIME and must be removed. Ms: Cooke has not been convicted of any crime. CBS 527 Talk 01:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

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Interesting claim regarding the Rangers goalie image
In the comments on Lorne Chabot's page at the Not in Hall of Fame website, someone claiming to be Chabot's grandson says the body in the image is his grandfather with Patrick's head superimposed on it. It certainly looks like that. --75.88.98.131 (talk) 06:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Archived url. --NHL04 (talk) 04:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Victoria coach
According to the Victoria Cougars article, Patrick also coached the Victorias to the Stanley Cup in 1925. This was in one of the western leagues, but it's not mentioned on his page. 2001:569:BE33:8700:351C:B0D5:F96D:62C1 (talk) 07:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

New Rules Dates
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Talk:Peter Pocklington

Kidnapping?
Wasn't there an incident in the early 80s when he (or one of his family members) was kidnapped or held hostage? Anyone remember this at all? —Silly Dan (talk) 16:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * On April 21, 1982, a man broke into their house and held both Pocklington and his wife (Eva?) at gunpoint. His wife escaped (there was video of her running away from the house). Eventually there was gunfire between the gunman and police, and Pocklington was shot. Pockington gave a television interview from his hospital bed as he recovered. Some additional info can be found at "http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F07EFDF1E39F932A15757C0A964948260&sec=&spon=". Anyone want to get more particulars and write it up? Greg Salter (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The good stuff
If someone wants to add information about his philanthropy and civic contributions, used something sourced and well-phrased. I removed what was previously there, as it was unencyclopedic. dfg 00:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Comeback???
What's this about a Pocklington comeback? I called around and heard he's working on a multi-billion dollar deal, can anyone verify any of this??? Lets get some more info on this to build this section or delete it there's no truth to it. I think its great to post the latest rumor but it shouldn't remain a "rumor" forever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.47.164.168 (talk) 01:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Fortune before meat packing
The article says Pocklington made his money in meat packing. Actually, he made it well before then as a car dealer (he owned one of the largest Ford dealerships). He bought Gainers well after he was in the public spotlight as owner of the Oilers et al. Somebody want to look up the details and write it up? Greg Salter (talk) 20:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Little Caesars
The article currently claims that 'Little Caesars' is engraved on the Stanley Cup. That claim needs a citation. Also, I believe the several family members claim to be correct, however they served in various positions for the team such as Vice President and minority owner. The way it is presented now makes it sound like the Red Wings were just dropping names on the Cup and hoping they would stick. If those people weren't affiliated with the team in some way they would have been Pocklingtoned. Rejectwater (talk) 22:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * After looking through the history a little I've found where that bit was thrown in. It looks to me like an unfounded pot-shot at the Red Wings, and in the absence of a citation I've taken it out.  The part about the family members, as noted above, is technically true, but they were all part of the organization in some capacity so there is hardly any room for controversy.  Rejectwater (talk) 22:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Politics
I edited the wording on the Politics section to make it sound a little more encyclopedic. Also the infobox said he was notable for running for the PC leadership in 1984, not 1983. (24.108.17.172 (talk) 04:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC))

Tonites dinner
Marion and I enjoyed meeting you both and look forward to seeing you again. 2603:8001:2340:8C02:14ED:4629:412E:A24D (talk) 03:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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1998 Women's Olympic team
The article said: "was the coach of the Canadian national men's hockey team during the 1972 Summit Series and the American national women's hockey team during the 1998 Winter Olympics." This was either a joke or a mistake; according to http://www.usahockey.com/usa_hockey//main/usa_hockey/033099_lester_patric//, the 1998 coach was Ben Smith. Dsreyn 14:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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Untitled
"After a dispute with management, he bought the Leafs"? From what I've heard, the Rangers fired him, he bet his savings on a hockey game, won, & bought the TO St Patricks, which he renamed the Leafs. If true & confirmed, I'd include it--if only because it's more interesting. Also, he promised to win the Stanley Cup in 5yr, & did it, in 1932. Trekphiler 19:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC) - Hey, anon here. I think some info about Conn Smythe and his comment about Herb Canegie should be made. It was quite a remark, even though it wasn't too bad at the time.

"I'd give anyone $10,000 if they could turn Herb Carnegie white."

Use of historic front-page newspaper image
The use of the front-page image is used to significantly improve the understanding of the subject. That his letter made front-page news, and caused a scandal is illustrated by the front-page placement of the article. This was during the conscription crisis in Canada during WW2. Any opinions on this are welcome. Alaney2k (talk) 13:24, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * While the fact that his letter made front page news is strictly replaceable by text, in this instance, I believe that the image of the prominent placement on the front page adds to the reader's understanding of the accompanying text's description of how the Globe and Mail publisher may have been using Smythe to advance his own political purposes and I would recommend retaining the image in the article. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Enlistment photo
Confused: image of Smythe enlisting is tagged as public domain in the US, under the rationale that it was "published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1923." Image clearly describes Conn Smythe as enlisting for World War II - which certainly wouldn't have happened before 1923 - and further states it was taken in 1939. Bringing it up here since people are already discussing other image usage for this section, and I'm not that fluent in Public Domain criteria on the Commons. Echoedmyron (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Assuming that the Canadian public domain licensing is correct, the commons image should likely be re-tagged as Template:PD-1996. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 17:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Use of File:Maple Leaf Gardens 1930.jpg on this article
This file is in use on this article, but no prose exists discussing the image. There is no relevance of this image to the article, and as a non-free image fails criteria #8 of WP:NFCC. The building still exists today, and there are many free images of it available at Maple Leaf Gardens. The image file contains a rationale that claims its need of being used is to "Illustrate subject for article". It isn't the subject of the article, nor is there any explanation why we must have this image instead of any of the free images that could serve the save purpose. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If the date of creation was in fact 1930 in Canada, the image may very well be Template:PD-Canada (We would need to know when the drafters died and when the image was first published) and, if so, likely Template:PD-1996 in the US. Unless and until the author updates the licensing, if appropriate, I recommend replacing the image with File:MapleLeafGardens1934.jpg which has complete licensing as public domain in both countries. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed on all points, with the caveat that I don't think we need to engage in a search to find the information needed. We have free replacements available, which obviate the need of attempting to verify the image's copyright status. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Atlanta Flames

Just split the Flames in half
I have just split the Calgary Flames in half. This new Atlanta Flames article is missing some information, but it is pretty close to being complete. By the way, does anyone have a nice picture of the Atlanta Logo? the one on this page looks ugly. Masterhatch 17 August 2005

 * Good move. I had thought about splitting the article myself.
 * I've added some more detailed information, changed the picture. Better? --93JC 04:23, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Much better. Masterhatch 18 August 2005

Nice article. Just noticed that the links for "Ken Houston" lead to pro-football player though. There's no article on the hockey player yet. --DonaldoKun 06:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

photo/ discription
the first photo is now a patch, but the discription refers to a photo no longer part of this article. anyone know enough about the patch to produce an acurate discription of it?Childhoodtrauma (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Consistency?
Perhaps this has already been answered, but I am a little curious as to why when an NHL team moves and/or gets renamed, each incarnation gets a separate article. This is not done for NBA, MLB, or NFL teams, which only have a single article each under the title of the current or most recent incarnation, which then covers previous locations and names in the franchise history. (For example there is not a seaprate article for the St. Louis Cardinals (football, not baseball) and the Arizona Cardinals. There is just one for the Arizona Cardinals that mentions the past locations and names the team was under.  Yet the Calgary Flames and the Atlanta Flames have two separate articles.)  Why aren't NHL teams held to the same standard? Or if it is indeed justified to have separate articles for each incarnation, why isn't there separate articles for multiple incarnations of the franchises for the other three major sports? Seems to me that there should be a consistent standard applied and currently the NHL articles aren't held to the same standard as the others... I think it would make sense to pick a standard and apply it to all sports. Unless someone has a good rationale about why the NHL should be a special case? 71.237.10.137 (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Please. This is Wikipedia. There is no such thing as consistency. — Dodiad (talk) 00:06, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Legacy Section?
Perhaps there could be a Legacy section added to the article about the Flames' logo now being the primary logo for Calgary's AHL Affiliate in Glenn's Falls, NY, the Adirondack Flames? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.168.151.160 (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I personally don't believe that a separate "legacy" section is necessarily required for that statement, but given the back half of the relocation section deals with several legacy aspects following the team's move, such a statement would fit there, I think. I'll try to find a source to cite the claim in a bit - shouldn't be hard - unless you have one already.  Cheers! Resolute 17:05, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

failure to win a playoff round
Is it worth noting that just like the Atlanta Thrashers, neither Atlanta franchise ever won a playoff round? While trivial, it's an interesting detail, and (in my mind) goes a long way towards explaining the all-time failure of NHL hockey to succeed in Atlanta. Echoedmyron (talk) 17:58, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Lacking a source to that effect, I think it might be a WP:SYNTH issue. Either way, I think that would be more relevant to the Thrashers article as it would be anachronistic on this one. Resolute 18:00, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Though you do remind me that it would be useful to note in the relocation section that the NHL later briefly returned to Atlanta. I will add that much, at least, a bit later. Resolute 18:01, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; I suspected it might be a stretch. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Kansas City Scouts

merger with Rockies?
I don't think a merger is appropriate. You wouldn't merge it with the New Jersey Devils, right? Two different franchises = two different pages. 15:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)~

I agree with the above. The Scouts had their own identity, as should the Colorado Rockies (NHL). In addition, keeping the articles separate would provide better service for surfers who are looking for information about this particular team, but only know that Kansas City once had an NHL team. I believe that the Seals, Barons, Nordiques, Whalers and Winnipeg Jets should not be merged with their respective successors for the same reason.

I also agree. It would not be appropriate to merge this with the Rockies page or the Devils page. Even though they were a short lived franchise, they deserve their own page.

Don't merge this page with the Rockies one.

 * Don't merge!
 * Ditto. The Scouts gave KC two years of lukewarm hockey in a lukewarm arena, with a lukewarm reception (they forgot to tap the lined pockets of Johnson Countians).  The Rockies were a bit better.  The Devils are anything but lackluster.  You have three distinct teams out of the same organization.  Keep the pages that way.  --KHill-LTown 01:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Do not merge Skeeter08865 15:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do not merge. RMc 02:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

This looks like consensus. I will remove the tag. -- JamesTeterenko 21:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Last previous Cup champions to be folded
I believe the Maroons franchise (which won the Stanley Cup in 1926 & 1935) and folded in 1938, was the last franchise to have won at least one Stanley Cup championship and later folded. Can't find a 'source' for this, it could be added to the article. GoodDay 16:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There doesn't need to be a "source," per se; it's a readily-referenced statistical fact.   Ravenswing  16:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Soccer
Billy Easton: Will this be a team of the same name or are they somehow related?--EchetusXe (talk) 23:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

George Kennedy Cup
Ive heard that there was a trophy that was awarded back in the 30s to recongnize the champion of the season series between the candians and maroons while doing some afternoon reading. (Mtl gazette Thurs feb 14th 1935). Does anyone have any more information on this? Happy editing Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello
 * Yes we have a paragraph on french wikipedia on it - Rivalité avec les Canadiens) with sources "The Montreal Maroons: The Forgotten Stanley Cup Champions". Hope it can help you. --TaraO (talk) 13:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Last non-Original Six to win the cup
Thought I'd add my 2 cents to the small editor war over the sentence "They were the last non-Original Six team to win the Stanley Cup until the Philadelphia Flyers in 1974". Of course, it's a logically correct and factual sentence. The confusion could be that "Original Six" has always been a minor misnomer, since the NHL preceded the 6-team era and "original" isn't quite right. However, that's completely irrelevant here since, "Original Six" is what the era and the 6 teams who were part of that era are commonly known by. The Maroons WERE the last team prior to the "Original Six" era who were not one of the "Original Six" to win the cup AND the Flyers WERE the first team after the "Original Six" era who were not one of the "Original Six" to win the Cup. The sentence stays. BashBrannigan (talk) 07:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a word to the sentence to clarify. BashBrannigan (talk) 14:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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