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Talk:Earth in science fiction

HHGTTG
"The only surviving Earthman, Arthur Dent ...". Trillian (who was also a human) also survived.... If the meaning is that Arthur Dent is the only earth male human to survive I think it should be made more clear. Karih 22:56, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Merge Old Earth (Dune) into this page.
As Old Earth (Dune) is a relatively small page, I think it would be better placed here. Philip Stevens 09:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edit
Just made some minor edits to the Star Wars Section ( made ET link directly to the alien dude) Infantrymarine25 3:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed text from Star Wars section
I have removed the following paragraphs from the Star Wars section.

 * However, with E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial's race being included in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, the idea that Earth is somehow reachable (at least in the future of Star Wars tech) is present.

 * And then there is the well-known quote from Han Solo: "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon? It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs." A parsec is defined to be the distance from which the Earth and Sun appear to be separated from one another by 1 second of an arc. Therefore, since a parsec is a unit of measurement derived from Earth, the Star Wars universe must currently have or once had a knowledge of Earth.

Why?

 * 1) It's original research, first of all.
 * 2) Check the IMDb Trivia page for Phantom Menace: the appearance of an E.T.-looking alien in the Galactic Senate chamber is generally regarded as an "in-joke".  It does not mean that Star Wars and E.T. take place in the same universe, any more than the musical keypad in Moonraker proves that James Bond lives in the same universe as Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
 * 3) The "parsec" line is one of the most, if not the most discussed goofs in Star Wars. Solo uses "parsec" as a unit of time, which it isn't.  All the justifications which fans have proposed in later years (the Falcon can make really tight corners, etc.) are beside the point.  Why should we make wild extrapolations about a movie's world based upon a goof?
 * 4) Supposing that there were a reason to measure a ship's proficiency at the Kessel Run using a unit of distance, the people in the Star Wars galaxy would have their own units to use.  A "light year" in the Republic or the Empire would be, at a guess, the distance light travels in the time it takes Coruscant to go around its own sun.  Likewise, a "parsec" would be the distance at which a star would show a parallax of one arc-second, as seen from opposite sides of Coruscant's orbit.  No Earth necessary.  (Sure, I just made that up, but it's no more made-up than the text I took out of the article, and it's just as good reasoning.)

Anville 15:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Mostly Harmless?
Isn't the description of Earth in Hitchhikers meant to be "Mostly harmless" instead of just "Harmless"?

Gregwmay 08:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * It gets changed one way or the other partway through the series. I think it becomes "Mostly Harmless" later on, and is then updated once again with all the information Ford Prefect submit

== ted during his stay on Earth, shortly before all versions of Earth are destroyed, rendering the entry useless.--Raguleader 00:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Wing Commander
A previous editor removed a link in my Wing Commander edit. The original link went to a disambiguation page, I replaced the link with a link to the Wing Commander (Computer Game) entry.--Raguleader 00:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Half-Life
Who deleted the Half-Life section? Why did this seem extraneous, or are they simply not a fan or something? If Buck Rogers is culturally signifcant enough to warrant it's own section, why would one of the most popular video game series of all time not be? More to the point, Half-Life portrays a fictional Earth in a pretty different manner to the other Science Fiction franchises noted in this article.

Planet of the Apes?
Seems to me the treatment/fate of earth in the PotA movies is significant enough to be discussed here. Perhaps someone who has better knowledge of that series than me could add it? If not I'll take a crack at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darthmix (talk • contribs)
 * Done. MrZaius  talk  15:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * My thanks. --Darthmix 20:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 05:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Original research
This article appears to contain many summaries of and conclusions drawn from various works of fiction, which I believe qualify as original research. It should be cleaned up to cite reliable sources. Hastyreader (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

This article is without value
This article is pretty useless. It is nothing more than summaries of Earth from an odd selection of various pieces of science fiction. Without a through line that connects this disparity information, it is not an article useful as a piece of reference.

I rather doubt there’s any real interest in improving this article while retaining the premise of describing Earth from various pieces of fiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.203.135.66 (talk) 17:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Suggestions for structure
It strikes me that the article in its re-write needs structure. That will allow the addition of secondary sources that fit into each subtopic, as well as cited examples. I also suspect it would help us to unearth secondary sources that do have more general things to say about Earth in science fiction. Some of the themes that come out of the Encyclopedia entries:
 * The shape of the Earth (Hollow, flat, inc influence from mythology)
 * The role of the Earth in a developed galaxy (homeworld of an empire vs cosmic insignificance)
 * Ecological warnings inc the Earth as a living organism, future fate of the Earth.

Any thoughts? OsFish (talk) 05:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Actually, there are a lot of pages that deal with these subgenres, many of which we're already linking to on this page. It would seem reasonable to use these pages for structure so long as there are secondary/tertiary sources that mention them under the general idea of Earth in science fiction. Those sources may be within those pages.
 * * Subterranean fiction or Hollow Earth
 * * Alien invasion, Galactic empire, although that doesn't feature a specific section on Earth at the moment.
 * * Dying Earth genre, Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction, climate fiction
 * OsFish (talk) 05:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @OsFish Check out the article, newly expanded based on two sources I found.
 * Things that seem to be missing IMHO in those overviews:
 * rescuing the Earth theme (saving it from an asteroid, Category:Impact event novels)
 * the theme of the world government / Earth united
 * more on alternate history, particularly the concept of unknown history (ex. Conan's Hyborian Age, in other words, Mythopoeia)
 * Can't really add it without sources, as it would be ORish.
 * I can also imagine a list of the relatively rare works "about Earth", but we have to avoid this becoming a fancruft list of trivia.
 * The old version of this article is here, maybe a few examples would be reusable, but we need to avoid OR/SYNTH or turning this into a long list of examples; the ones used in the text are from sourced overviews (but I'll admit I added a few more that where not in the two big overviews, each with a reliable reference that it discusses a given theme, but where to stop and how to format the growing lists is an issue.). The list of examples, mostly in parenthesis, already look a bit cluttery and I do wonder about splitting them into footnotes which could improve readability. The big issue is "a few examples are good, but too many are not good". Where to draw the line? At mininumum, all examples need secondary references, obviously... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * What you've done so far is great - thanks! I think that if there is a Wiki page on a subgenre, it's very probably not OR to take that up as a subgenre given the other page. A general rule that if a work has been mentioned in secondary sources as an example, it can be included, should be enough to prevent fancruft. Whether a list forms or not depends on how many works qualify according to that criterion. I'm sorry I haven't had time to pay more attention to this page. I'll see if I do in the coming weeks. OsFish (talk) 14:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the article is already too heavy on examples. I am of the opinion that unless we're elaborating on the details of individual examples, no concept should have more than two examples. At present, we have four examples of a flat Earth, five examples of a hollow Earth, seven examples of moving the Earth from its orbit, and five examples of accidental climate change. We're supposed to be summarizing, not enumerating. Using footnotes would perhaps ameliorate this issue somewhat by increasing the readability of the prose text, but I don't think that's the right way to go about it. TompaDompa (talk) 04:34, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @TompaDompa Thank you for doing this, but some resulting footnotes are unreferenced. All examples used in my rewrite came from cited sources. Can you be so kind and to add the references there? The ones at the end of each sentence (in the older version) should cover the examples cited. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I mean, the sources are still there at the end of the sentences. I mainly focused on getting it done fairly quickly to improve readability while the article was linked on the WP:Main Page. I thought it rather disruptive, frankly, to re-add the examples while the article was featured on the main page without engaging in the existing talk page discussion on the topic, but presumably they didn't notice the discussion. My preference would still be to remove the examples altogether. TompaDompa (talk) 04:52, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @TompaDompa I think the examples are obviously helpful as illustrating the concepts discussed. The only problem is the tendency of people to keep adding more and more. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think merely listing examples is all that helpful. Ideally, the examples should be briefly described and integrated in the main prose rather than being confined to parentheticals or footnotes. The sentences In Clifford D. Simak's Cemetery World (1973) Earth is a planet-size cemetery and in Gordon R. Dickson's Call Him Lord (1966), a museum. and Bridging these ideas, and treating Earth as a semi-biological or even sentient entity, are classic works like Arthur Conan Doyle's When the World Screamed (1928) and Jack Williamson's Born of the Sun (1934). are examples of how this can be done. We should strive to write about examples in such a way that we cannot simply turn them into footnotes or add several additional examples without further context. TompaDompa (talk) 05:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

 * Ping User:FormalDude regarding your GAN comment about some possible expansion and sources - this is relevant to the discussion above (the first part, second veers into some structural issues). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Uncited Premise/Not Encyclopaedic
The article opens with the uncited assertion, "An overwhelming majority of fiction is set on or features the Earth. This also holds true of science fiction, despite perceptions to the contrary." This sounds less like an encyclopaedia article and more like a position paper--or worse, a school report. However, it would be hard to correct this article when the most obvious thing to do is delete it. Count Robert of Paris (talk) 18:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not uncited. The source is at the end of the paragraph. "[D]espite perceptions that science fiction is largely a literature of space travel, most of its stories occur on Earth". TompaDompa (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. So many "facts" are in that paragraph, it had not occurred to me that the citation at the very end sufficed for all of them.  That being said, and without getting into how scholarly this source is or is not, what the cited source says is merely, "Moreover, despite the perceptions that science fiction is largely a literature of space travel, most of its stories occur on Earth as well," essentially the same vague and unsubstantiated statement as begins this article.  How many is "most"?  How would you even make that determination, without knowing the total number of science fiction works and the total number that take place on Earth?  This does not sound at all falsifiable or encyclopaedic.  Just because someone paraphrases an opinion he or she finds in a book does not mean it is not just an opinion.  That's why we need to cite sources: to know whether the source is any good.  Count Robert of Paris (talk) 19:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

 * @Count Robert of Paris While I am very fond of referencing every sentence, it is ok to just add references at the end of a paragraph in some cases, particularly in WP:LEAD. In fact, our Manual of Style encourages us to remove all references from the lead unless there is content that can be controversial - lead should simply summarize the body of the article. And here, the sentence you mention is just a reformulation of "In general, the vast majority of fiction, including science fiction, takes place on Earth." (pages 226 and 228).
 * As for the source itself, I actually wrote an article about it, since for whatever reason it did get quite a few scholarly reviews: The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy.
 * As for the source, it reliable and relevant, hence it is fine to summarize it. It would be lovely to be able to provide precise numbers, but no reliable source seems to have those, so a generalization from an expert on this (contributor to the cited reliable source) is fine. (Also, this claim is quite correct per simple common sense, and in the end, we also have the WP:BLUESKY to consider). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * How can something be both "quite correct per simple common sense" (your assertion) and "true...despite perceptions to the contrary," as per the article and source? In essence, you are saying it does not need substantiating because it is so obvious, while the article and source allege it to be true although it appears not to be.  I would go even further.  I would say the statement that "An overwhelming majority of fiction is set on or features the Earth. This also holds true of science fiction, despite perceptions to the contrary" is saying it is not per simple common sense--and ought to be backed up with a little more than a simple assertion.  I don't see where our "source" ever backs this up in any way himself.  What if this same source had said the moon is made of green cheese?  Could the article on the Moon be revised to include its green cheese origins, and cite this author's bare assertion?  This mishandling of source and citation is precisely why Wikipedia is often not viewed as reliable.  Count Robert of Paris (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a peer-reviewed scientific journal. We don't demand that our sources prove every assertion that they make. There are two assertions here: that most science fiction takes place on Earth and that there are perceptions that science fiction mostly takes place in space. The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy is a WP:Reliable source both when it comes to general statements about science fiction as a whole and when it comes to public perceptions of science fiction. Neither assertion is WP:EXTRAORDINARY, so the current sourcing is quite sufficient.If the same source had said that the moon is made out of cheese, we would not include that; the chemical composition of the Moon is not within the source's accepted area of expertise so the source is not reliable for that assertion, that would be an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary sources (plural), and that claim is contradicted by the WP:BESTSOURCES on the topic. TompaDompa (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Count Robert of Paris "Wikipedia is often not viewed as reliable". Are you confusing 2000s with 2020s? Wikipedia has been generally seen as reliable, not just by the public, but by the scholars, since at least early 2010s. You can read more about this on reliability of Wikipedia, or if you prefer peer-reviewed works, check out recent articles by me and others in this special issue. Or read the literature cited there. With all due respect, your claim reminds me of some old professor who saw Wikipedia 20 years ago, told his students not to use it, and didn't notice the times have changed. They did. For the last 10 years Wikipedia has been considered an ally to academia, not a foe. Please move on with the times :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:27, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Off topic or useful context?
@TompaDompa: I am not sure if those removals are necessary; I didn't invent this - those were seen as relevant context in the cited works (mostly encyclopedias of sf):, ,. As for, well, it shows subterranean Earth? We have room for the picture, unless you found something better? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I know that's where it's from, but I rather agree with ' assessment at Articles for deletion/Earth in science fiction (2nd nomination): About half of that contains historical facts and old examples where there is no clear disctinction between science fiction and philosophical speculation about scientific issues. The other half fits to our topic. As for the image, I think that if we are to have an image to illustrate the concept of Hollow Earth in science fiction, it should be clear at a glance that's what it is, and I don't really think that File:Voyages_Extraordinaires_frontispiece.jpg does that particularly well (most of the image is of completely different stories by Jules Verne). I would be more inclined to use an illustration of the hollow Earth in The Goddess of Atvatabar, e.g. File:Map_of_the_Interior_World.png. TompaDompa (talk) 05:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I am fine with the alt image, but I think the article is not too long and that the removed content is mostly relevant. I'll ping User:Daranios to hear what they think. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think chaning the image is a good idea, the Atvatabar one seems conceptually clearer. As for the removed parts, I agree with Piotrus here that they are relevant: As a reader of Wikipedia I personally would love to get such background information how far back these ideas go. More generally, I think they provide historical context. More as an aside, they may not have been intended to be science fiction. But they were not science in the modern sense, i.e. not using the scientific method I think, either. Rather they were philosophical speculations about scientific topics, and therefore have a fictional character to them. That's my 2 cents on that. Daranios (talk) 11:08, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case, I think we have to rephrase those parts to actually be about Earth in science fiction. There's a difference between primarily writing about the history of a concept while additionally noting that it has been used in science fiction and primarily writing about the concept's use in science fiction while additionally noting its history, and we should always use the latter framing in this article. TompaDompa (talk) 05:17, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @TompaDompa Go for it - just please don't remove informational content. Rephrasing is good, removing useful/relevant facts should be avoided. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:29, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I took a stab at rewriting it. That did involve removing some background information, though I also added other background information which seemed more pertinent. I replaced footnotes with examples integrated in the prose with brief descriptions, as I suggested doing at . I think this is rather an important issue for the article; this is a WP:Good article nominee, and WP:Good article criterion 3b says that a good article stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail. Poorly-integrated examples and quasi-relevant background information are both examples of not staying focused on the topic. If I were reviewing this article for WP:Good article status, I would not consider it compliant with criterion 3b. TompaDompa (talk) 21:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Earthican
This word seems to have been invented in Futurama. It's not in Brave new words the Oxford dictionary of science fiction by Jeff Prucher, and I can't find any reliable source confirming it is real - although it is on Futurama fan wiki: https://theinfosphere.org/Earthican_people, and I guess the NBC episode summary may be reliable-ish (https://www.nbc.com/futurama/video/three-hundred-big-boys/3695718 "When each Earthican receives a $300 government refund, the Planet Express crew members pursue their respective dreams and desires.") That said, the second is WP:PRIMARYish, so I am not sure if this word deserves an entry in our list of synonyms of Earthling? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:14, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

"Old Earth (Dune)" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Old_Earth_(Dune)&redirect=no Old Earth (Dune)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Rock Diver
Any thoughts on how to work that one (my newest article) in? Seems related @TompaDompa Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Reverted page move
This page's title is not analogous to the examples you gave (such as Mars in fiction) for the simple reason that any fiction set on Mars is ipso facto sci-fi/fantasy, making the modifier redundant. The vast majority of fiction set on Earth, however, is not science fiction, which is why this article exists: to discuss the portrayal of Earth specifically in works of sci-fi, in which Earth may no longer be the only celestial body inhabited by humans. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 14:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Indeed. Also ping @TompaDompa Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The main debatable case is Moon in science fiction, which has that title as a result of its 2021 GAN. I intend to work on it further at some point in the future (I have since found additional sources and—if I may say so myself—become a lot better at writing these kinds of articles), and I may end up moving it back to the title Moon in fiction. TompaDompa (talk) 03:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Travel to the Earth's center
I think this neees its own subsection (I am not sure how we missed this article while getting this to GA a while back...). @TompaDompa Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Noted. I'm a bit caught up in some other stuff at the moment, but I intend to take a look at this article at some point in the future to see if/how it can be improved as part of my effort working on our articles on the Solar System in (science) fiction. TompaDompa (talk) 03:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siujang

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 20:39, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Siujang
Delete. Interesting enough fact, but its hard to see this ever rising to the encyclopedic standard. Mwanner 22:58, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not even sure what the fact is.  Is "Si-" a prefix attached to any name, in which case Ujang is just an example?  This would possibly place it the equivalent of -san in Japanese or Mr. in English.  The Japanese "-san", which is undoubtedly more notable than "Si-", only has a definition on the disambiguation page for that term rather than an individual article, and "Si-" should just be added to the corresponding article at si and the example of siujang deleted.  If this is unique to the name "Ujang", however (which doesn't even have an article itself), then it's trivial beyond belief.  Postdlf 00:03, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, foreign dictionary definition. Megan1967 08:13, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science

Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science is a private university in Willowbrook, California, focused on health sciences. It was founded in 1966 in response to inadequate medical access within the Watts region of Los Angeles, California. The university is named in honor of Charles R. Drew.

History
Charles R. Drew Postgraduate Medical School was incorporated in the State of California as a private, nonprofit educational institution in 1966 in response to the McCone Commission's recommendations to improve access to healthcare in South Los Angeles following the Watts Riots in 1965. In 1973, Governor Ronald Reagan signed Senate Bill 1026 authored by State Senator Mervyn Dymally to allocate funding and support for the institution from the General Fund to the University of California. In January 1970, the offices of the Charles R. Drew Postgraduate Medical School and the Watts-Willowbrook Regional Medical program formally opened at 12012 Compton Avenue, and would serve as the central center for CDU's operations until the W.M. Cobb Building's construction in 1984.

Three schools and colleges are housed on CDU's 11-acre campus: the College of Science and Health, the College of Medicine and the Mervyn M. Dymally College of Nursing (MMDCON).

In May 1978, a proposed agreement between the Charles R. Drew Postgraduate Medical School and the UCLA School of Medicine to jointly establish an undergraduate medical program at Drew was approved. Medical students complete their first two years of medical school at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, then finish their last two years of clinical work at Charles R. Drew University, including rotations at the Martin Luther King Jr Outpatient Center as well as local community clinics near the Charles R. Drew University campus.

The Mervyn M. Dymally College of Nursing opened in 2010. The school was the first comprehensive nursing program to open in Southern California in decades, and the first ever of its kind in South Los Angeles.

In 2010, the university introduced the Community Faculty Track, a unique model for community-academic partnerships in which community leaders are integrated into the university's research goals and the education of medical professionals.

In 2018, the school partnered with Ross University School of Medicine, a for-profit medical school in Barbados, to educate doctors for South Los Angeles, since Charles R. Drew University typically receives more than 3,000 medical school applications, but only has space for 28 medical students each year.

In September 2020, Bloomberg Philanthropies made a $100 million donation to the four historically black medical schools in existence in the United States: Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Meharry Medical College, the Morehouse School of Medicine, and Howard University College of Medicine.

In February 2022, MacKenzie Scott made a $20 million, unrestricted donation to Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, the largest private donation in the university's history.

In July 2023, the university accepted its first class of 60 medical students in a new MD program that is independent of the existing joint program with UCLA (which accepts at most 28 students). Full LCME accreditation for the program will be possible after the first class of 60 students has graduated from CDU.

Academics
The university offers degrees in three colleges:
 * College of Medicine
 * College of Science and Health
 * Mervyn M. Dymally College of Nursing

Research
Research at CDU focuses on ways to address health disparities within the state of California, nationally, and globally. Research is organized around several health pillars, including cancer, cardiometabolic disease, HIV, mental health, and health services/health policy research. Research areas such as biostatistics and biomedical informatics cut across the five research pillars. In addition, the university has a Black Maternal Health Center of Excellence, to address the crisis in health outcomes for Black mothers in the US, partially funded by a $9 million Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) grant.

Faculty members at CDU conduct ongoing NIH and DoD-funded research on conditions such as hypertension, diabetes, cancer, tobacco use and HIV/AIDs. The university's Department of Research and Health Affairs was initially established as the Office of Research in 1973 to organize the assignment of research activities at the institution and provide a focus for encouraging faculty participation in laboratory activities.

Physician Assistant program
The Physician Assistant program at the Charles R. Drew Postgraduate Medical School (now "CDU") began as MEDEX in 1971. It was one of the first MEDEX programs to open in the state of California.

MEDEX students at Drew received their instruction from physician faculty at UCLA until March 1973, when they moved to what was then known as the Martin Luther King, Jr. General Hospital in Watts. The physician assistant program, which was originally an undergraduate program, returned to the university in August 2016 as a master’s degree granting program after a five-year closure period that began in 2011.

Residency programs
In September 2017, the L.A. County Board of Supervisors voted to allocate $800,000 to CDU to fund two residency training programs in Family Medicine and Psychiatry. The funds were made available through a Pre-Medical School Affiliation Agreement signed between L.A. County and CDU in October 2017. A Medical School Affiliation Agreement between L.A. County Health Agency and CDU provides the programs with support of up to $14.6 million until 2023. Residents began their programs in Family Medicine and Psychiatry in July 2018, meaning that the university offered residency training as part of its curriculum for the first time since the closure of the former King-Drew Medical Center, and consequently the university's own training programs, in 2007.

Accreditation
CDU is recognized as a minority-serving institution by the U.S. Office for Civil Rights, as well as a historically black graduate institution under the U.S. Department of Education's Strengthening Historically Black Graduate Institutions Program, also known as Title III B. CDU is also a member of the Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities and the Thurgood Marshall College Fund.

The university is accredited by the WASC Senior College and University Commission. In 2009, its accreditor placed the university on probation; it was removed from probation two years later. Programs at the university are also accredited by the National League for Nursing Accrediting Commission and the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education.

Association with Martin Luther King Jr. Hospital
Martin Luther King Jr. Hospital closed in 2007. Both the university, which is private, and associated County-owned public hospital fell into serious trouble at the outset of the 21st century. By 2006, several residency programs had to be terminated because they lost accreditation for not meeting the necessary amount of oversight, and the hospital itself was forced into a radical restructuring plan in late 2006. The restructuring caused the County-owned hospital to sever its ties to the neighboring private, non-profit medical school and terminate support to 248 medical residents. In October 2006, the national Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education informed school officials that it planned to revoke the university's ACGME accreditation because of the hospital's upcoming loss of Medicare money; as a result the university voluntarily withdrew its accreditation. The school was eligible to seek reinstatement to relaunch its residency program in July 2008. As a response to the problems, the university reorganized, terminating its president, and dismissed nearly two-thirds of its board of trustees.

On March 6, 2007, officials from the university announced that they would sue Los Angeles County for $125 million for breach of contract, claiming that the restructuring of the hospital gutted the adjacent university. In September 2009, the lawsuit was settled with an agreement under which the county would rent space to the university on favorable terms and the county and university would work together toward the reopening of MLK Hospital.

In June 2007, the school began an 18-month rebranding effort aimed at preventing people from associating the school with the continuing ordeals of King-Harbor; the school criticized the hospital for leaving an old sign bearing the King/Drew name.

Notable faculty
Notable past and present Charles R. Drew University faculty members include Patricia Bath, an ophthalmologist and the first black female doctor to receive a medical patent, for inventing a laser treatment for cataracts and Deborah Prothrow-Stith, a pioneer in addressing youth violence as a public health issue and the first woman Commissioner of Public Health for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Prothrow-Stith is Professor of Internal Medicine and current Dean of the College of Medicine.


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Mangateparu

Mangateparu is a farming service community located close to the west bank of the Piako River, eight kilometres north of Morrinsville in the Waikato region of New Zealand. It has a population of about 400 people. The local school was forced to close in 2004.

The name comes from the Māori words "manga", stream; "te", the; and "paru", muddy or deep.

The community of Tauhei is located a short distance away to the west.

Education
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Name
Malahide is most certainly not named after Lord and Lady Malahide. The title was Lord Talbot de Malahide anyhow, and the name comes from Mullach Íde, meaning the Hill of St. Ita. Perhaps you could say its named after St. Ita!

Why did someone rename Malahide as a "township". I would call it a suburb or a town. Anyone else agree? (posted by 83.70.64.144)

 * I thought it a little strange, too. - Pete C ✍ 00:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Editing
I think this sentence is a bit strange "It is home to approximately 15,000 inhabitants and the St. Sylvester's GAA teams". It makes it seem like the gaa club is either the most important or only organisation in the village. I'm going to change it to just "It is home to approximately 15,000 inhabitants." Maybe in the future someone can add info about various clubs and organisations based there. Cognoscenti 22:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Um, Bono doesn't live in Malahide. I'm gong to remove that point. Objection 22:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Malahide, derivation, continued
The article originally said that Malahide derived from Mullach Íde, meaning the Hill of St. Ita, which is indeed a literal translation. Although there are modern associations in the area with St Ita (Ide) I don't think the historical person ever visited. Other sources quote Mullagh h-Ide or Mullagh Ide, meaning the sandhills of the Hydes. Any local historians know if either is correct? Suckindiesel 22:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Not sure re. the above but "Hill of St. Ita" was the more accepted one for years when I was growing up, and while the article showed both derivations - a perfectly acceptable approach, someone has removed it from the "name" section, and it now shows only the less traditional "Sand hills of the Hydes". SeoR 15:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

 * "Sand hills of the Hydes" is not something I have ever heard in relation to Malahide, when I was going up the accepted derivation was always "Hill (or mound) of St.Ita", any local history book I have ever read used that as the accepted derivation. 198.240.128.75 (talk) 15:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact the more I read about this Sand hills of the Hydes thing, the less likely it seems (apologies in advance for my links I'm not too hot on how Wikipedia formatting works). This article here (http://www.chaptersofdublin.com/books/General/malahidecastle.htm) from 1840 states
 * "The manor of Malahide was created by charter as early as the reign of King Henry II". Henry II reigned from 1154 to 1189.
 * This article http://www.fingal-independent.ie/news/area-gets-name-from-norman-landowner-1856761.html states that the Hyde of Donabate who was supposed to have been the source of the name Sand hills of the Hydes was a 14th century landowner called James de la Hyde, it also confirms that the Talbots were given Malahide by Henry II in 1174.

The idea that the town was named after a Norman landowner who died some 200 years after the Talbots had moved in makes absolutely no sense. What was it called between 1174 and the renaming as Malahide in the 14th century? Why would the Talbots rename their castle and the town 200 years after moving in? All of the Google links I have seen referring to this naming seem to be lifted directly from the Wiki article (apart from the Fingal Independent one above which has at least a name for the mysterious Hyde of Donabate). The 2 sources for this are both fairly dubious, and may in fact be based on the actual wiki article. I will look into this a bit more over the weekend, but it seems to me that as SeoR says abobe this "Sands of the Hydes" business is a new concept and I would suggest including the "Hill of St Ita" name too, I grew up in Malahide and this was always the derivation used when I was young, both at school, and in local histories.198.240.128.75 (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Fingal
Sarah - see here (including the mentioned Schedule 5) and here (particularly 9(1) (a)). Malahide is in the County of Fingal, full stop, simply because there is no longer a County Dublin. Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 10:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hallo there. It seems there is a confusion, perhaps understandable in an international publication though not a more experienced encyclopedia, between the legal structure of county authorities and the reality of the 32 Counties of Ireland. This is not new, as the famous Tipperary has been divided into two County Authorities for many years (North Riding and South Riding). This is little known, not even everyone in Ireland knows, and no one cares much. "Tipp" is "Tipp". Same went for Yorkshire in the UK. It may be the size of a small country but it is just Yorkshire, no matter how many ways it is chopped up, and it has been through many mutations. The same for many of the UK's traditional counties, kicked into all sorts of strange shapes over the last century or so. And the same goes for Dublin. County Dublin no longer exists as an administrative entity, in part because of concerns about the operation of the old County Council. Sad but true. But legislation does not define reality, thank the Lord!, and County Dublin lives on just fine. Just ask anyone, or go watch the GAA. The abolition referenced in one of those links does not undo over 750 years. If Wikipedia wants to be credible as a source of knowledge about Ireland, it must cover both the legal situation (which gives us the lovely Fingal County Council and the "County Town" of Swords) and the historic and ordinary folks' reality. Would not be surprised if the "bits" of County Dublin change again over time, after all the Soutside used to contain all sorts of strangeness, and even up here we had an Urban Township of Clontarf! All the best with what is generally an excellent tool! I have learnt something new almost every time I have visited. 217.118.66.62 06:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Nice compromise edit. Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 08:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Famous residents
This section seems to imply that an Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern is a famous Malahide resident. 193.1.172.104 12:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The fact that a member of a boyband has moved into malahide recently should not be mentioned- a lot more talented people born & bred in Malahide dont get a mention —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.87.3 (talk) 23:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I've removed several dubious "notable" natives. Anyone got better photos? - the current lot look like they were created by some photoshopper on acid. Sarah777 (talk) 08:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Nearest gaelscoil & gaelcholáiste?

 * According to this article there is no gaelscoil or gaelcholáiste in Malahide, even though it has a population of 16,000. Where, then, is the nearest gaelscoil and gaelcholáiste? 79.97.154.238 (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Photoschocking?

 * I don't like to be critical of my fellow snappers but are heavily photo shopped pics really appropriate on Wiki articles? Sarah777 (talk) 12:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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To to reverting a miles preference over km and Soccer->Football conversion (local please check) I am wondering if it is appropriate to add the Template:Use Irish English. Any disagreement on this?
 * I'd say go ahead, the idea is good anyway, most (some would say all) Irish articles should prefer Irish English - but this, strictly speaking, refers only to language / spelling. However, it may help to remind people of the other types of point. On football, as there are so many forms, and Ireland, for example, has significant activity in three, and some in at least two others, the specific form must always be specified, even if piped to partial hiding.  On measures, kilometres should be used, except in the USA, and in some respects the UK, anyway, but some new / infrequent editors use old familiar forms; replacement with a convert template facilitates both but we have to remember that such editors may not understand the template anyway.  Good luck, SeoR (talk) 06:50, 10 February 2018 (UTC). Done.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:34, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

My up-to-date photos versus ones from 12 years ago
I am an infrequent contributor but being local I sought to make a contribution to update these images. I am flabbergasted by the decision to take away most of my photos, to which I made an effort to capture and are recent, in favour of smaller files from 2007. The one user who did this seems to believe he owns this page and is the final arbitrator of what looks good. I am unpersuaded by 'concerns' about this, I receive nothing in return for using my own images, I just wanted things to be up-to-date. I request others or higher-ups to put a stop to this behaviour as it is just not on at all and if other newcomers are treated as I am there may be no incentive to contribute at all if this is what occurs.Ross X (talk) 19:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)`
 * @ Thankyou for your contributions.  I will start by saying the judging of the best images is subjective.  And I am far from convinced most up to date wins; though overly old is often not good.  On commons we have over 200 images in the tree excluding the Railway and the Castle.  The question is which of these can improve the article significantly or best.  Or whether to do a search on Flickr.  Please remember my overall concern was the overall look and rendering of the article in my opinion.  There's also a strong possibility or someone prioritising their their own images.
 * Overall my judgement was the changes you made were not an overall improvement to the article.
 * The image of the diamond seemed to have a lot of road in the front and just seemed unremarkable.
 * The image of the Grand Hotel appears an unnatural yellow (at least to me). Being pedantic there's also some car roofs.  Yes the resolution is good but looks wrong.  In fact I'm inclined not to fancy any of the commons images of the Grand currently and I'd likely pull ( https://www.flickr.com/photos/infomatique/6902389892/in/photostream/ for flickr if flickr2commons was currently working ... NB: Having selected that image it is not the first time I've select an image from that photographer).
 * I've done a manual pull from Flickr to commons of that image and published it to this article replacing the previous.  When I've occasionally had to look for railway station images before I've often ended up choosing work from the same photographer.  What I would comment is some more of his works on Malahide (and elsewhere) could usefully be pulled to commons.
 * The Marina image didn't work for me ... though I have an issue with the previous one. The night one I selected looked good when larger but I'm less that convinced it works as a thumb.
 * I quite like your library image ... I'm just not sure it goes well on the article.
 * The mixing of 200px and otherwise didn't seem good.
 * The image of the estuary seemed mostly blue sky top half and blue water lower half ... I think the problem is there is two of them.

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Wrong title
The Kipling story is "The Man Who Would be King," and was first published in The Phantom Rickshaw and Other Ghost Stories. It was NOT retitled for the movie.

IF Kipling's title was originally ... A King then it would logically follow that the article should give some specific attention to when and why the change in title was made. If not, this entry needs to be revised.

As the Kipling Society makes no mention of there ever being a variant title, I strongly suspect that this is an error perpetuated across Wikipedia articles.

 * Support. Just do it, and fix the refering articles as well. (500 google hits with 'a', 84,000 without, not that that means dick all - The Man Who Would Be King is the correct title. See the Kipling Society) Icundell 00:05, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

present vs past tense
This article seems very well written and complete except for one small annoyance: the summary is told in the past tense while the synopsis uses the present tense. This grates on my ear and I think one should be changed, but which one? Is there a convention? I'm a newbie and reluctant to mess with stuff I don't understand. LA RoeDoe 23:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Looks ok to me. The past tense is used when Peachey tells his story. Clarityfiend 06:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

When summarizing a story you should always use present tense.

Billy Fish
The article needs to explain who Billy is. I know who he is in the movie, but am not sure about the short story, so I'll leave it to somebody who's read it. Clarityfiend 05:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, its a year later and no one has explained who Billy Fish is and I don't know myself. WHO IS BILLY FISH?  If someone knows the details behind this character, please add it. Firewall 22:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't be afraid to read the story.
 * Read it. Added to the plot summary. Unlike the movie, Billy Fish is the chief of one of the first villages taken over (Bashkai). Clarityfiend 06:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Billy Fish is an english solider who was protecting a bunch of map makers. They needed people to make a map of Kafiristan because the last person there was Alexander (Silkander). The others died in an avalanche and Billy Fish found his way to Ootah tribe etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DOGGIEWEE (talk • contribs) 00:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify (again) for future readers: only in the movie. In the story, Dravot and Carnehan call one of the chiefs Billy Fish "because he was so like Billy Fish that drove the big tank-engine at Mach on the Bolan in the old days". Gordonofcartoon (talk) 18:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

In the novella, Billy Fish was a chief of a local tribe who was very loyal to the two leads. In the movie he was an ex-servicemen and survivor of a previous map making expedition. Whilst Billy figures largely within the movie, his part in the novel is not hugely significant. See the section I just added to the movie page which describes key differences from the original book. peterai 22:26, 15th Jan 2017 —Preceding undated comment added 22:26, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

The Movie ending into a cliffhanger

 * Prehaps what would have made the Sean Connery & Michael Caine movie into a real cliffhanger--would have been at the end Carnehan wonders away with Dravot's head-and then on the final screen-a quote from the orginal story about how Carnehan dies of sunstroke with no belongings-leaving the audience to wonder if this adventure ever happened-or if it was just the ravenings of a demented ex-soldier turned begger??

Why a separate article for Peachey Carnehan?
I've noticed that Peachey Carnehan has a separate article that's small, even for a stub.

I'm recommending that unless the Peachey Carnehan article is substantially expanded, it should be merged with this one. --Superluser 17:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy for you to kill Peachey's Page, BUT it was created for a specific reason, due to a population request from a Category Talkpage, so finding an alternative solution to that original request would be kind. Full details at the Talk Page of the Peachey Carnehan article. Timothy Titus 14:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

 * The two of us have come to a consensus at Talk:Peachey Carnehan. I'm leaving these merge tags in place for a bit (until June 27, one month from the start of this discussion) in case someone else wants to comment.--superlusertc 13:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Resolved. See Talk:Peachey Carnehan. superlusertc 2007 June 27, 15:44 (UTC)

India connection
In the short story infobox, I listed the country as both "United Kingdom" and "India," and I'd like to add this story to the "Indian short stories" category; however, Kipling is not actually Indian so I'm not sure if that would be appropriate. I'd think that Kipling would have wanted it listed in Indian fiction... thoughts? Should the nation be listed as "British India" instead? -Elizabennet | talk 16:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

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There seems to be some confusion about the title of the 1888 collection in which Kipling's story originally appeared. According to the Kipling Society's online Readers' Guide (http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_wouldbeking1.htm), "The Man Who Would Be King" was first published in The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Eerie Tales together with "The Phantom 'Rickshaw," "My Own True Ghost Story," and "The Strange Ride of Morrowbie Jukes." Elsewhere, however (http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_phantom1.htm), the RG refers (erroneously?) to this volume as The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Tales. Project Gutenberg's version of The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Ghost Stories (http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext01/phric11.txt) contains a fifth story, "'The Finest Story in the World,'" which the RG says was first published in 1891 (http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_finest1.htm). It appears then that the correct title of the original collection is The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Eerie Tales.

 * I have since consulted an online version of E. W. Martindell's Bibliography of the Works of Rudyard Kipling, 1891-1923 (London: John Lane, 1923). On p. 26 Martindell gives the title as The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Tales. However, the cover illustration (designed by Kipling's father), which appears facing p. 27, clearly reads "The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Eerie Tales." Martindell does not mention the discrepancy, but his bibliography seems pretty authoritative, and titles appearing on the cover or spine of a book don't always match those appearing on the title page. Having no access to an original copy of the book (which must be rare), I am inclined to defer to Martindell rather than the Kipling Society's online Readers' Guide, which is an ongoing project containing numerous inconsistencies and minor errors. Assuming Martindell to be correct, and following standard scholarly practice, I would keep the title as it is on the title page: The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Tales. (The Phantom 'Rickshaw and Other Ghost Stories is obviously a later edition.) --Mailedfist (talk) 17:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The narrator never states in which city the offices of his newspaper are located. The RG (http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_lettersonleave_notes.htm) notes that the "Kumharsen Serai" is Kipling's fictional name for the Kashmir Serai, located in Lahore. On the other hand, it also points out (http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_wouldbeking_notes.htm) that the Backwoodsman is his fictional name for the Pioneer, the Allahabad paper where Kipling was working at the time he wrote the story. But Lahore is much closer to the northwestern frontier of India than is Allahabad, and it is inconceivable that Dravot and Carnehan could have made the journey by camel from Allahabad to Peshawur in the time given (less than ten days). Lahore, then, is implied, though never specifically mentioned in the story. Perhaps "they appear at his office in Lahore" should be changed to "they appear at the office of his newspaper." Of course, in the 1975 film version, Kipling (Christopher Plummer) buys a railway ticket and boards a train at Lahore station, where Carnehan (Michael Caine) steals his watch. But this article deals with the story, not the film.

The term "Kafiri" is never used by Kipling, nor can it be found in the Oxford English Dictionary. The proper term for a native of that country is "Kafir," which means "infidel" (i.e., unbeliever in Islam). Carnehan uses this term at one point in the story in order to distinguish the "heathen" inhabitants from the "Mohammedans," but otherwise it is not used, probably because in other contexts (e.g., South Africa) the same term is used as a racial slur. "Kafiri" is used in the film, but, as noted before, the OED does not support this usage. "Kafiri" should be changed to "Kafir," or some other, less offensive word should be substituted.

The plot summary's preference for the word "Kafiri" reflects its general avoidance of a crucial aspect of Kipling's story. As Dravot says, employing another racial slur, "These men aren't niggers; they're English." The point is emphasized again and again in the story that the natives are fair-skinned and fair-haired, not "common, black Mohammedans." It is therefore foolish to refer to Dravot and Carnehan, as the summary refers to them, as "the white men" when Carnehan says of the natives, "They was fair men--fairer than you or me--with yellow hair and remarkable well built." If the racial aspect of the story must be downplayed, "the white men" should be emended to read "the Englishmen." As it stands, whoever composed the summary seems to be thinking of the film, which couldn't very well stress the fair complexions of the Kafirs because the film was shot in Morocco using locals as extras.

--Mailedfist (talk) 19:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
I note that we have an other article on this... see: The Man Who Would Be A King (which is the accurate title of Kipling's short story). The two articles should be merged. Blueboar (talk) 14:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC) never mind. Blueboar (talk) 14:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Adolf Schlagintweit
Adolph Schlagintweit is the spelling used in this article. There is a Wiki entry under the spelling Adolf Schlagintweit, and I would suggest conforming the spelling and/or creating a link. I would have done it, but I did not find an "edit" option for the first paragraph.

Junckerg (talk) 00:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks: done. Only way to edit the 1st para is to click the edit link for the whole page. 86.139.254.72 (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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Evening gown

An evening gown, evening dress or gown is a long dress usually worn at formal occasions. The drop ranges from ballerina (mid-calf to just above the ankles), tea (above the ankles), to full-length. Such gowns are typically worn with evening gloves. Evening gowns are usually made of luxurious fabrics such as chiffon, velvet, satin, or organza. Silk is a popular fibre for many evening gowns. Although the terms are used interchangeably, ball gowns and evening gowns differ in that a ball gown will always have a full skirt and a fitted bodice, while an evening gown can be any silhouette—sheath, mermaid, fit and flare, A-line, or trumpet-shaped—and may have straps, halters or even sleeves.

Early modern period
Evening wear for women, sometimes also known as court dress based on its creation at royal courts, has its origins in the 15th century with the rise of the Burgundian court and its fashionable and fashion-conscious ruler Philip the Good. Wool, in various weaves, was the most dominant fabric for dresses, and the ladies of the court often simply added a train to their kirtle for formal occasions. Rich fabrics and fibres were usually the domain of the nobility, and clothing was used as an identifier of social rank and status. The dawn of the Renaissance slowly changed the rigid social rank system, and allowed wealthy Patricians and merchants to visibly display their success. The art of weaving silk was firmly established in the Mediterranean around 1400, and as a result, silk weaves became fashionable for those who could afford them. Dresses for court balls and similar festivities were often made of intricately woven silk and trimmed with expensive furs to highlight the wearer's social status.

The vibrant court life of the 16th and 17th centuries, with its focus on art, literature, and music created a fertile environment for feminine formal clothing. Elaborate dinners, dances, and theatre productions allowed fashionable ladies to showcase their finery. The Italian Renaissance courts were the pinnacle of style and elegance in Europe. With the advent of the Baroque era, the focus began to shift to France and the court of Louis XIV. 17th century court dresses featured draped skirts with long trains, tight bodices, low necklines trimmed with lace, and embroidered, lace- and-ribbon-trimmed, full sleeves. Rich silk weaves, such as satin, taffeta, and velvet created luxurious gowns. In the 18th century, formal dress started as the mantua, but later developed into the elaborate sack-back gown. The farthingale, popular during the 16th/17th centuries, evolved into the pannier to give dresses and skirts extra volume and the desired court silhouette.

During this entire period, a ball or evening dress was synonymous with court dress, as balls took place at court or in the palaces and salons of the nobility who copied the latest fashions at the courts. Starting with the late 18th century, the term "evening or ball gown" emerged, as balls and formal dances were no longer the sole domain of royals and aristocrats. This was a result of the French Revolution, which firmly cemented the place of upper-middle and upper class citizens in high society. A common silhouette for evening wear, just as for day wear, was the high-waisted Empire or Regency dress. Evening versions featured lower necklines, short sleeves and elaborate fabrics and embroidery.

19th and 20th century
Evening styles changed dramatically during the 19th century, and evolved from the relatively simple classically inspired lines of the early decades to progressively fuller skirts and, at times, sleeves (1830s and 1840s). The styles ranged from having huge sleeves in the 1830s, to off-the-shoulder and with wide flounces in the 1840s, to very low-necked in the 1850s, to having low necklines and short sleeves in the 1860s, to long and lean with a bustle and very short sleeves in the 1870s, to sleeveless, low-necked, and worn with opera gloves in the 1880s, to having a squared decolletage, a wasp-waist cut, and skirts with long trains in the 1890s. The 19th century distinguished between relatively high-necked dinner gowns for formal dinners and soirees, evening gowns for dances and theatre events, and ball gowns for the most formal affairs including balls and the opera. During the Edwardian era, or Belle Epoque, the s-shaped figure was fashionable, which included a very narrow waist. Immediately preceding and during World War I, lines became looser and more fluid as a precursor to the boyish silhouettes of the 1920s. Later, in the 1920s, the hemlines of evening gowns rose and cuts were very simple to match the new life style of the Flapper era. The 1930s introduced bias cuts and artificial fibres. Along with the Empire cut, over the years the sheath, mermaid, A-line, and trumpet shapes became popular. Also, the dropped waist and princess styles were popular, depending on the era. Grace Kelly is noted for wearing understated evening gowns.

Contemporary fashion
Today, the evening gown comes in different silhouettes and even lengths, but the full-skirted ball gown remains the pinnacle of formality. Evening gowns are worn at various semi-formal black-tie (and sometimes white tie) functions, including formal dinners, opera and theater premieres, formal dances, evening wedding receptions, and charity balls.

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Jeff Altman

Jeff Altman (born August 13, 1951) is an American stand-up comedian and actor who has appeared as a guest on Late Night with David Letterman and Late Show with David Letterman a combined 45 times. Altman mesmerized contemporaries like David Letterman and Jerry Seinfeld, and inspired future comedians like Judd Apatow.

Altman has also had numerous acting roles in movies and television such as Dr. Gene Splicer in Tiny Toon Adventures, Professor Dweeb in Slimer and The Real Ghostbusters, Clint Mullet on Mork and Mindy, and five different guest characters on Baywatch. He had a recurring role as Hughie Hogg, the nephew of Jefferson Davis Hogg, on The Dukes of Hazzard.

Early life and education
Altman was born in Syracuse, New York, to Genelle, a housewife, and Arthur, a sales manager. At Nottingham Senior High School in Syracuse, he played third singles on the school's tennis team and was on the wrestling team. He graduated from Johns Hopkins University in 1974 with a degree in social sciences.

Career
Altman began his career in 1974 at the Comedy Store.

In 1976, came his first appearance on television, on Cos, a Bill Cosby children's variety show. A year later he joined Starland Vocal Band Show, where he was alongside celebrities such as David Letterman and Mark Russell. In 1978 he appeared as sleazy record promoter Lennie Richfield in the movie American Hot Wax. Altman also had a starring role as the host of the short-lived NBC variety show Pink Lady and Jeff in 1980, which TV Guide has ranked No. 35 on its "50 Worst TV Shows of All Time" list. Altman appeared on the first episode of An Evening at the Improv.

Later in the decade, he became the in-house comedian on Solid Gold, where his characters included Al Punker, fast-talking proprietor of "Al Punker's Music Barn," the "music vampire Count Downula," and the ex-boxer Leonard Moon, the last of whom would state "I don't have the brains of a ice cube" and claim, "I am the Solid Gold music critic. Tonight, my subject is music."

Altman has directed many sitcoms. In the mid-1980s, he was the spokesman for Arby's restaurants, Tostitos corn chips, and Valvoline motor oil, and by 1990 he was a Budweiser spokesman.

In 1982, he appeared in a movie, Send in the Clowns.

In 1989, Altman released his one and only comedy record album, titled "I'll Flip You Like A Cheese Omelette" (Mercury 842 070–1) and the same year had appeared in three Hollywood clubs: the Laugh Factory, the Comedy Store and the Irvine Improvisation. He also has been the (uncredited) host of the defensive driving course available through Blockbuster Video.

In the 1990s, Altman was on the NBC series Nurses during its first season (1991–1992). He was written out as the show was re-worked for its second season.

A regular feature of his stand-up act has typically included a comical impression of his father, and Altman continued to find his Nixon impression humorous well into the 1980s. In 1991 he was a host of The Sunday Comics, but later was replaced by Lenny Clarke. On February 22, 1991, Altman had created his own show called Jeff Altman's Scrap Book, where he continued to parody his "Dad" as Uncle Carl which he started back in early 1980s.

In 2017, Jeff Altman played a fundraiser, at the Chicago branch of the Laugh Factory, for McCormac College of Lake View, Chicago.

Altman and Letterman
Altman met Letterman in 1975 at the Comedy Store in Hollywood. After a few dinners and even attending Indianapolis 500 together, they became great friends. During one such outing, a woman, who was a huge Letterman fan, had approached them and asked if Altman could take a picture of her and Letterman, using her camera. As they posed and Altman was lining up the shot, he suddenly broke away and ran, pretending to steal the camera. Since that time, Jeff Altman appeared on Late Night with David Letterman and Late Show with David Letterman a combined 45 times.

Personal life
Altman is a drummer, and a longtime fan of Buddy Rich, whom he once enticed to appear at Hopkins for one of his classes. In 1979 he married Leslie Ackerman and together they had a daughter, Faith.

Altman is also an accomplished magician. A much admired "card man," one of his effects has been included in the famous Tarbell Course in Magic.

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Antelope Valley Mall

Antelope Valley Mall is an enclosed shopping mall in Palmdale, California, in the Antelope Valley.

Opened in September 1990, its buildings take up around 1 e6sqft. Its physical main building, parking lots, and ring road businesses encompass an area a bit less than 0.5 by.

The main indoor mall currently has about 140 stores with 5 anchor stores, 2 of which are closed - Macy's (formerly Gottschalks), JCPenney, the first Dillard's in Southern California, Sears (closed), and Forever 21 (closed, formerly Mervyns). The mall also has a large Dick's Sporting Goods, which opened in 2014 in a suite originally occupied by Harris and another Gottschalks store. Three other anchors, Bullock's, The Broadway, and J. W. Robinson's were planned, but never opened.

On June 22, 2020, it was announced that Sears would be closing as part of a plan to close 28 stores nationwide. Sears closed on September 6, 2020.

In 2022 the mall was acquired by Bridge Group Investments for $60 million.

Sources and external links

 * Antelope Valley Mall official website

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Talk:Past Masters, Volume One

I added the LP label to prove to Cbing01 that the LP exists after he deleted the LP info which I restored. Steelbeard1 04:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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A non-user is insisting on removing LP info from this article so I'm requesting semi-protection. Steelbeard1 17:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Double LP spun off into separate article
Due to issues with the Double LP sleeve in this article, I have spun off the Past Masters double LP into a separate article titled Past Masters, Volumes One and Two. Steelbeard1 (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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