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Talk:American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property

NPOV
I have expanded the article to make it more useful and I have changed POV comments. --Ebz 09:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

VfD debate
This article has been kept following this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!)  1 July 2005 10:59 (UTC)

"pseudo-Catholic"
TFP is recognized broadly within the Catholic Church, especially those Catholic elements actually interested in the historical doctrine of the church. Its ideology is that of the actual historical ancient church, and not profane materialistic nihilistic self-ironic modernity. Leave it to the mocking Judeo-Trotskyite mob of wikipedians to distort everything beyond their own knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.150.83.66 (talk) 04:29, 09 September 2006 (UTC)

Objectivity please
Whoever edits this page - please at least TRY to be a little OBJECTIVE! When an article starts off quoting "ex-members" who verify "facts", it sounds like a biased agenda to start with. What person is ever objective about something/someone with which they have parted ways? And how serious is it when someone claims to speak on behalf of millions of Catholics around the world - whether for or against? The best practice for analysis is drawn from what an organization says about itself (without childishly using "claims" this or "claims" that to cast doubt on the most basic things). Just stick to the facts of what the organization IS, does, and says about itself, and be sure to get those right (the part on the Revolution indicated a poor understanding of basic details in RCR). I have attempted to clean it up a bit. As it was, it was an article against the organization rather than about it. Lastly - why include a large section about people (Tradition in Action) whose members may have at one time been associated but no longer have anything to do with the organization? Give them a completely separate space so they aren't confused with this organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.241.14.24 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Brazilian Bishops
The post on the Brazilian bishops "condemnation" is totally POV. In order to be balanced, you must include the public and vocal support of the TFP of many bishops, priests, and laymen from around the world. Cardinal Jorge Medina, who announced the election of Pope Benedict XVI, send a letter of support you can read here.

The Brazilian TFP was attacked by the Brazilian Conference of Catholic Bishops because of the former's fight against communist and confiscatory land reform which was being encouraged by the government and the Bishops. The defense and propagation of liberation theology by the Brazilian Bishops, a Marxist-inspired interpretation of Scripture condemned by Pope John Paul II, and the corresponding opposition of the TFP, was also a factor. Their "report," in addition to being devoid of factual evidence, was completely irregular regarding the dictates and procedures of canon law when dealing with suspect organizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrb416 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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Name change
Shouldn't this page just be called "Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property", the organisation operates internationally and the United States chapter is just one of many. The organisation itself is based in Brazil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.247.166.29 (talk) 23:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Name changed.  Now, whether the article should be "Tradition Family Property" (without commas), "Tradition, Family, Property" (with commas), or "Tradition, Family, and Property" is another matter.  What is best?  Chonak (talk) 01:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is about the American TFP, not the TFP movement. Another article should be created for that. This article is about the American TFP, which is an independent organization with its own statues, board of directors, president, activities, etc. It is not a "chapter" nor is it "based in Brazil." Name should be changed back to "American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property". Jrb416 (talk) 16:32, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Other TFPs
An article about the Brazilian TFP was recently created at Tradição, Família e Propriedade. I dePRODed it, but I'm not sure what to do with it now. Tradition, Family and Property currently redirects here. I thinking we might use that for a general article about TFP internationally, while leaving this article about the US organization alone. Alternatively, we might try merging these articles. Any thoughts?--Chris Johnson (talk) 00:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

There is probably not enough material on Wikipedia yet about the separate national TFP movements to require having distinct articles on them, so IMHO it would be fine to rename this article and expand it to include info on Brazilian, etc., TFP. Chonak (talk) 07:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. Skomorokh  10:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Tradition, Family and Property → American_Society_for_the_Defense_of_Tradition,_Family_and_Property — The article is about the American TFP, not the TFP movement. Another article should be created for that. This article is about the American TFP, which is an independent organization with its own statues, board of directors, president and officers, activities, goals, etc. It is not a "chapter" nor is it "based in Brazil." Name should be changed back to "American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property". Jrb416 (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

 * Support One for the specific American organization and another for the international movement, or expand that part under Plinio Correa de Oliveira, since many organizations in the movement are not called Tradition Family Property Washinq (talk) 18:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Support - The individual "TFP"s are actually autonomous organisations that work closely together. This article describes only one of those organisations, viz "American Society for the Defence of Tradition, Family and Property".  Futhermore, the umbrella is actually called "Society for the Defence of Tradition, Family and Property" not "Tradition, Family and Property", "TFP" or any other such thing.  These latter are merely contractions.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  20:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The alternative is to move to Society for the Defence of Tradition, Family and Property and simply expand to include information about all the TFPs. Their publications are quite numerous and Catholic newspapers discuss their activies quite frequently, so sourcing should be no problem. --Jubilee♫ clipman 20:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there an actual organisation called the "Society for the Defence of Tradition, Family and Property" which acts as a global headquarters to the various national societies? -- JN 466  13:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

 * No objection in principle to articles on both: one on TFP as a whole ("Tradition, Family, Property") and one on American TFP ("American Society...", etc.). The Ideology section would be best moved to the "movement" article, as it contains material relevant to TFP as a whole, and nothing specific to the American TFP.   Also, non-English-language Wikipedias' articles should link to the "movement" article rather than to this one, as those articles do not focus on American TFP.   --Chonak (talk) 00:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * All of this seems to make good sense. -- JN 466  02:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, two articles as described. Quibble about names later.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  03:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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Remove from "New Religious Movements"
I propose this article be taken off the list of New Religious Movements, for the simple reason that its fails to prove the TFP is a "new religion" or "cult". The definition of a "New Religious Movement" on Wikipedia itself is vague: "Scholars...continue to try to reach agreement on definitions and boundaries". What?

To be a "New Religious Movement", this article would have to provide references for at least part of the following criteria from the article:

 * Novel approaches to spirituality or religion
 * Communitarian enterprises that demand a considerable amount of group conformity
 * Social identity that separates their adherents from mainstream society

"Generally, Christian denominations that are an accepted part of mainstream Christianity are not seen as new religious movements." Is the TFP not an accepted part of mainstream Christianity? Does the TFP dissent from the Catholic Church on Faith and Morals? Please provide references from their publications or activities.

I haven't found anything on their website to indicate this. If anyone finds references then we can keep it as it is. Otherwise, we should remove it.--Jrb416 (talk) 20:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

 * TFP is not a new religion or cult, it is a subject of the Roman Catholic Church and is fully subservient to her teachings and practices, although it does call some of these into question. I only happen to know this because I have met several members and attended a few lectures at their HQ in Philadelphia.  All references to New Religious Movements might actually be attempts to smear this organisation and should be removed immeadiately.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  19:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Properly sourced material should not be removed from the article, even if they make what we believe are false accusation.   Will Beback    talk    20:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Actually, the claim by the French government has to stay; you are quite correct. The List of new religious movements  does not actually include this organisation, as far as I can see.  However, Category:Start-Class New religious movements articles and Category:High-importance New religious movements articles do list them.  I think that's what Jrb416 is referring to.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  20:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

 * It is beyond me how the supposedly secular French government determines what is and is not a cult, and therefore what is and is not a legitimate religion or movement. At most this should be posted on the article about the French TFP. Material that contains accusations without proof should not be kept. If anyone can find a serious, scholarly report on the group's activities showing this, then we can keep it. Jrb416 (talk) 23:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

 * It has at any rate appeared on the radar of anti-cult groups such as the American Family Foundation; see the entry in their Cult Observer . Also see, Also, a religious movement founded in 1960 is "new". That doesn't automatically imply it is bad. -- JN  466  13:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * TFP was included in both the 1995 French parliamentary commission report and the 1999 report, which narrowed its cult/sect list down to just 30 groups. Given that the movement appears to have been quite widely discussed in this context, I am in favour of retaining the categorisation. -- JN 466  13:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah! See your point. New Religious Movement is not nessecarily "New Religion"...  Opus Dei are also listed in the cats, despite also being a Catholic organisation.  I withdraw my objections.  --Jubilee♫ clipman  03:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct, a chronologically "new" movement doesn't automatically mean "New Religious Movement." Opus Dei is accused of being a cult or sect by a lot of people, and their founder was canonized by John Paul II. Wikipedia has an article Controversies_about_Opus_Dei. They are not listed as a "New Religious Movement" nor should they be. Virtually all the "New Religious Movements" follow pre-Christian pagan/gnostic beliefs or publicly dissent from major beliefs of traditional Christianity. Again, it needs to be seen how the group fits into the three major points I skimmed from the New Religious Movements article at the beginning of this section. Jrb416 (talk) 00:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Catholic Lay Society
could this be classified as under the category of a Catholic lay society?--76.2.31.201 (talk) 21:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

NEGATIVE: No official approval. In fact, they have some conflicts with some other real congregations/groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.133.27.104 (talk) 22:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Independent Sources
This article (and related articles concerning the TFP movement) have been flagged for being based on web sites and other sources closely related to the subject. A previous editor defended this practice with the comment "The best practice for analysis is drawn from what an organization says about itself." This, however, violates Wikipedia policy that requires that "topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources." Wikipedia's verifiability policy further spells out that self published sources may be used for information about the subject itself, as long as these claims are not self-serving. but cannot make claims about third parties.

A recent edit changed a description of TFP's "protests against films and plays that it views as blasphemous" to "protests against blasphemous films and plays", thereby accepting the assertions of TFP and its sources as factual. I have reverted this edit, since no evidence has been presented that there is a general acceptance by independent reliable sources that these films and plays were, in fact, blasphemous. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 16:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Criticism for virulence
Under the heading "Criticism for virulence", it states "The American TFP has been cited in several article by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) for their anti-LGBTQ views. According to the SPLC the TFP is a “virulently anti-LGBT group." The SPLC is welcome to hold that view, but it makes no sense for this article to cite "Criticism for virulence". "Virulence" is an adjectival noun meaning to have the characteristics of a virus -- usually implying that it can overwhelm the defenses of the host. So it's nonsensical to criticize any group as "having virulence". I would suggest changing the heading to "Criticism for anti-LGBTQ activism/positions/whatever", since that is the thing the SPLC is objecting to, not its "virulence". Bricology (talk) 03:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I checked the Oxford English Dictionary and this is their first definition:
 * virulence, n.
 * 1.
 * a. Extreme acrimony or bitterness of temper or speech; violent malignity or rancour.
 * The citations go back to the 17th century, long before the modern discovery of viruses. The definition fits the intent of the section and the SPLC argument. You may disagree with SPLC's description of TFP as a “virulently anti-LGBT group" but, in the light of the OED definition; claiming it's ungrammatical doesn't provide a basis for removing the description. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 20:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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Dated material
The paragraph talking about TFP Student Action specifies as their most recent activity events from 2009. Either that is not true, or we should be reporting on their demise. (The paragraph after that sources a claim about a school offering "traditional Catholic education" to the school itself; either we need a third-party source, or we need to cast it as being in the school's voice rather than ours.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Expansion, ideology, differences from mainstream Roman Catholicism, similarities with other Traditionalist Catholic groups
I think the entry could be expanded to explain better how the American TFP, which tends to attract the interest and support of many orthodox Roman Catholics, because of their strong social conservatism and activism, and promotion of Catholic tradition, is at odds, in several ways, with mainstream Roman Catholicism. Like the original Brazilian TFP, the American TFP rejects and has a very negative view of the Vatican Council II, which they claim introduced liberalism in the Church, and to be against the previous order of the Church. This makes them similar to FSSPX, however they claim to be be full communion with the Church, despite the fact that they tend to quote mostly the pre-Vatican Council II popes and documents, and to ignore often those who came after that event. They also reject ecumenism, interfaith dialogue and environmentalism. An organization with the same origin, but which fully accepts the Vatican Council II are the Heralds of the Gospel. I think the entry can be improved and expanded to show these facts.Mistico Dois (talk) 02:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "the American TFP rejects and has a very negative view of the Vatican Council II" Isn't it obvious? Traditionalist Catholicism in general rejects the decisions of the Second Vatican Council, mostly rejects efforts towards ecumenism, and defines "traditionalist" as returning to the status quo of the Roman Catholic Church in the 1950s (at the latest). Dimadick (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 * This is not a forum. I would respectfully suggest that people should learn better about the concepts we are dealing in here before posting. The Vatican Council II official documents state that the Traditional Latin Mass is the official mass of the Catholic Church, with the possibility of using the vernacular. It was this that led to the development of the Novus Ordus Mass. Since the Vatican Council II there have been Catholic groups who have continuously celebrated the TLM, in full communion with Rome. The FSSP, the ICKSP, all celebrate the TLM, and accept the Vatican Council II, for example. However this is not the case of the FSSPX, who has rejected the Vatican Council II and has been in a irregular situation in the Church, since the lifting of the excommuncations for the Ecône consecrations that took place in 1988, by Pope Benedict XVI, in 2009. The American Society for the Defense of TFP does have indeed similarities with FSSPX, for their religious rejection of the Vatican Council II, but with differences. However the Heralds of the Gospel accept it, despite having the same origin. I would like to invite fellow Wikipedians with better knowledge of these groups, in particular of the American SDTFP to improve the entry, taking in account all these facts.Mistico Dois (talk) 12:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


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Acronymble

Acronymble is a board game published in 1991. It challenges players to create funny acronyms (known as noodles) from a random sequence of letters.

Gameplay
For example, if players received the letters E.U.M.G., one might write, "Elvis Unglued My Grandfather", and another, "Eek!!! Ugly Man-eating Gerbils!" Players then vote for their favorite acronym using a blind voting process, and are not allowed to vote for their own noodles.

The game gives players three to seven letters each round to write their "Noodles". Letters are given in one of three ways:

 * 1) Purely random (e.g. E.U.M.G.)
 * 2) All the Same Letter (e.g. S.S.S.S.S.)
 * 3) A starting letter and a length are given (e.g. “G” and a “6”). Players are then challenged to come up with a 6 letter word that starts with “G” (e.g. “GIGGLE”) and use those letters to write their Noodle. (e.g. Granny Is Glowing, Growing Little Eggplants.”)

Acronymble is mostly subjective, in that there are no right and wrong answers, although players are awarded points if their Noodle contains a complete sentence.

History
Acronymble was developed by Acronymwits Inc. in 1991, and designed by Steven May. An Acronymble game show spoof was later produced using the premise. It aired on public access television in Massachusetts and won the Massachusetts Cable Commission award for "Best Entertainment and Variety Show" in 1997. May also writes fiction under the pseudonym "Commander Pants".

There are online versions of Acronymble played under a number of different names, Acrophobia being the most popular (Acronymble predates all of these). The only differences between Acronymble and these online versions is that they offer players only random letters to work with, and they often ask competitors to write their acronyms on a specific subject.

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Incorrect details
This article appears to be incorrect. The county seat of Warren County is the Town of Lake George not the Village of Lake George

The Warren County Municipal Center, which is the county offices, is technically in the town of Queensbury, but it has a Lake George zip code. --Grunherz 19:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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Phoenix Air

Phoenix Air Group, often just referred to as Phoenix Air, is a non-scheduled airline headquartered in Cartersville, Georgia, USA, with the city's airport serving as its base. Founded in 1978 by Army helicopter pilot and race car driver Mark Thompson, Phoenix Air operates worldwide charter flights (passenger and cargo; catering for corporate, military or air ambulance demands).

Phoenix Air employs just over 200 people from Cartersville and the Atlanta metro area.

Fleet
In 2007, Phoenix Air had been named the world's largest owner-operator of Grumman Gulfstream I aircraft. At that time, its fleet consisted of the following: Now all of Phoenix Air's fleet of Learjets, Gulfstream G-I and Gulfstream G-III aircraft meet ICAO Chapter 3, Stage 3 Noise Compliance requirements and can operate into and out of all noise sensitive airports throughout the world.
 * 4 Bombardier Learjet 35
 * 2 Bombardier Learjet 35A
 * 7 Bombardier Learjet 36A
 * 8 Grumman Gulfstream I
 * 3 Gulfstream III**
 * 1 Gulfstream II
 * 1 Gulfstream IIB
 * 3 Embraer 120

** One Gulfstream III (G-III), N173PA, has been fitted with an Airborne Biomedical Containment System (ABCS), funded by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). It has been used for transporting of patients with the deadly Ebola outbreak in West Africa in 2014. This is the only aircraft in the world capable of safely transporting patients of highly communicable diseases that offers a high degree of protection to the aircraft's crew and the accompanying medical staff. This aircraft is currently under an "on demand" US$5 million contract to the US State Department. As the virus spread, officials from the World Health Organization, U.N. and Britain, among others, all approached Phoenix Air to sign exclusive deals.

The bio-containment unit is a special negative pressure transport tube that allows medical personnel to treat Ebola patients while in flight. Decontamination includes hydrogen peroxide fog, quaternary ammonia, spore strip testing, and burning of the envelope.

As of 14 October 2014, two Phoenix Air Gulfstreams were able to carry Ebola patients, and another jet was being equipped.

Accidents and incidents

 * On 8 January 1988 at 05:19 local time, a Phoenix Air Learjet 36 (registered N79SF) crashed during landing approach of Monroe Municipal Airport following a flight from Memphis, Tennessee, killing the two pilots on board. The NTSB investigation revealed that the co-pilot had not been type rated to fly this aircraft type.
 * On 29 June 1989 at 00:04, a Phoenix Air Dassault Falcon 20 (registered N125CA) crashed near Cartersville Airport shortly into a ferry flight to Dannelly Airport. The two pilots died in the accident, which was attributed to crew fatigue and poor training.
 * On 14 December 1994, the two pilots of a Phoenix Air Learjet 35 (registered N521PA) experienced an inflight fire. The aircraft was substantially damaged and crashed near Fresno, California. There were no survivors. The crew had been on a military mission with special systems installed in the aircraft. The fire was due to improper electrical wiring.
 * On 3 December 2002 at 06:12 local time, a Phoenix Air Learjet 35 (registered N546PA) collided with an elk during take-off at Astoria Regional Airport. In the ensuing rejected take-off, the aircraft overshot the runway and was substantially damaged.
 * On 26 March 2007 at 07:30, a Phoenix Air Learjet 36 (registered N527PA) suffered a blown tire during take-off at Newport News/Williamsburg International Airport.(a contributing factor was that the drag chute could not be deployed).
 * In 2015, a Phoenix Air Learjet 35 (registered N80PG) skidded on the runway, followed by right main gear collapse which caused substantial damage to the plane during landing at Newport News/Williamsburg International Airport. The cause is still under investigation.
 * On 10 May 2023 at 07:50, a Phoenix Air Learjet 36A (registered N56PA) crashed into the sea southwest of San Clemente Island, killing all 3 on board. This accident is currently under investigation.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electric Vomit

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was UNANIMOUS DELETE. Postdlf 00:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Electric Vomit
Apparently obscure band from California. I've heard of one of the bands they played with (Throwdown), but I think it's safe to say that they're not notable themselves. Isomorphic 18:44, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * No allmusic, obviously amateur entry on Ultimate Band list, and their website doesn't seem to be functioning--only 128 googles on "Electric Vomit", none of which appears to be an official website or something of that sort. Delete. Meelar (talk) 19:38, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, band vanity. Megan1967 05:36, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No way, they were the most innovated band around. They had a huge following and are still a cultural icon in Ventura County. The band has broken up due to creative differences. Justin is currently living in the desert experimenting with alterative life styles. Shaun is climbing the corporate ladder at a major California company. Noah was last seen wandering the streets of Tijuana Mexico. If you have any information please contact his mother. He still looks the same as he did in 2001. EVFL must never die.
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The Absolute Game

The Absolute Game is the third studio album by Scottish punk rock and new wave band Skids. Recorded in 1980 and produced by Mick Glossop, it was released in September 1980 by record label Virgin. It became their most commercially successful album, reaching No. 9 in the UK Albums Chart.

Writing and recording
This album marks the first collaborative effort between Richard Jobson and new bassist Russell Webb, who continued to work together in the band The Armoury Show and also on Jobson's solo album Badman.

Musical style
Alex Ogg of AllMusic opined "Musically, the Skids were branching out and writing some illustrious pop tunes."

Controversy
Initial copies came with a limited edition second disc entitled Strength Through Joy, a collection of material recorded during The Absolute Game sessions but omitted from the album. Its songs apparently feature members of the band playing each other's instruments. Richard Jobson, the Skids' lead singer, later stated that this title had been taken from Dirk Bogarde's autobiography and was not based on the Nazi slogan "Kraft durch Freude". However, it continued in the controversial theme of the first release of Days in Europa, which had also been withdrawn after accusations of Nazi glorification.

Release
The Absolute Game was released in September 1980, preceded by the release of Circus Games as a single in August. It reached No. 9 in the UK Albums Chart.

Around this time the band was riven by internal rifts and disagreements, leading to various changes in personnel. Soon after the release and tour of The Absolute Game, Adamson and Baillie left the band.

Reception
Shane Baldwin of Record Collector called it "their finest work, despite the fact that, by then, Jobson and Adamson's relationship had begun to founder. Endlessly inventive and perfectly executed, it deservedly became their most successful release". Ira Robbins of Trouser Press wrote "Parts of The Absolute Game are just arty pretense, but the inclusion of substantial, engaging material makes it a reasonable addition to the collection."

Personnel

 * Skids

 * Richard Jobson – vocals, guitar
 * Stuart Adamson – guitar, vocals, keyboards, percussion
 * Russell Webb – bass guitar, vocals, keyboards, percussion
 * Mike Baillie – drums, vocals, percussion

 * Additional personnel

 * Jude Nettleton – vocals
 * Julius Newell – vocals
 * Andrew Sigsworth – vocals
 * John Sigsworth – vocals
 * Alison Pipkin – vocals
 * David Pipkin – vocals
 * Hannah Yeadon – vocals
 * Esther Marshall – vocals
 * Chloe Dymott – vocals
 * Marlis Dunklau – vocals
 * Gracie Benson – vocals
 * Sally Nettleton – vocals
 * Harriet Bakewell – vocals
 * Mary Volke – vocals
 * Derek Wadsworth – didgeridoo

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Clyde Tingley

Clyde Kendle Tingley (January 5, 1881 – December 24, 1960) was an American lawyer and Democratic politician who served as the 11th governor of the State of New Mexico. He was a children's healthcare advocate.

Biography
Clyde Tingley was born on a farm near London, Ohio in 1881. He lived a bad life of farming. His wife Carrie suffered from tuberculosis and was informed that the climate in Ohio would eventually kill her. Her doctors suggested visiting or relocating to the warmer climate of the Southwest, and recommended the Methodist Sanitarium in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

The Tingleys relocated to New Mexico from Ohio in 1910. While his wife recovered, Clyde dabbled in local politics. He relocated just in time to see the admission of New Mexico as a state, and almost immediately he was alarmed over how the dominant Republican Party ran the State.

Tingley's first political office was on the Albuquerque City Council from 1916 to 1917 as alderman for the Second Ward. After Albuquerque switched to a City commission government in 1917, Tingley served as a city commissioner from 1922 to 1935, including ten years as Chairman (mayoral equivalent) from 1925 to 1935. He also served as district maintenance superintendent of the New Mexico State Highway Department for the Albuquerque district (1925–1926). He was also a delegate to the Democratic National Conventions of (1928, 1932, and 1936). Through this entire period, his wife's illness was at his heart, and he was an outspoken advocate for healthcare – particularly for children.

Tingley was handily elected Governor of New Mexico in 1934 as a proponent of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal programs. During this time, he set up over a dozen hospitals in the state, including the Carrie Tingley Hospital in honor of his wife, to help children with tuberculosis. He was reelected in 1936 and became the first Governor of New Mexico to serve two consecutive full terms. (His predecessor, Arthur Seligman, died during his second term.) In 1938, he successfully resurrected the defunct New Mexico State Fair by breaking ground at the Fairgrounds. The center of the Fairgrounds, Tingley Coliseum, was named after him.

As governor, Tingley continued his predecessor's practice of systematically recording the political affiliation of applicants for federal aid, stating that "only by returning a solid Democratic front can New Mexico get its full share of the money to be distributed by the federal government in the next two years".

After the end of his tenure as Governor, he was reelected to his old position as Chairman of the Albuquerque City Commission and served a further 13 years in that role from 1940 to 1953. Tingley was responsible for the local introduction and widespread planting of the Siberian Elm (Ulmus pumila) throughout the city of Albuquerque. At the time of pollination, the tree distributes voluminous amounts of granular chaffe, which has come to be known as Tingley's Dandruff.

Tingley died in Albuquerque at the age of 79. He is interred at Fairview Memorial Park in Albuquerque.

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Santa Tecla

Santa Tecla may mean:
 * A saint: see Thecla
 * Santa Tecla, Italy, a commune near Acireale, Sicily
 * Santa Tecla, Este, a church building in Este, Italy
 * Santa Tecla, Milan, a church building in Milan, Italy
 * Santa Tecla, El Salvador, formerly named Nueva San Salvador
 * Santa Tecla BC, a basketball club based in Santa Tecla
 * Santa Tecla F.C., a football club based in Santa Tecla

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User:Weiwei~enwiki

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Wei Chen

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Talk:Josef Frings

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Hmm... pointless to update this when there is a much better version in German that could be translated. Roodog2k 18:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I only did enough to turn a new article from a sub-sub-stub to a stub. I mean, I'm an atheist, I'm not the person to be updating pages on Cardinals... Average Earthman 19:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I disagree. As a Catholic myself, I personally welcome you, whatever you may believe, to deliever any insight you may have. ;) Roodog2k 20:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

References in English
Are there any works in English that could be cited? Kusma (talk) 12:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added one page in english with basic data, but could not find much more.--Panth (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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Daumantas

Daumantas (Ruthenian: Dowmont or Domont; Daŭmont; Довмонт) is a given name and a surname.

It is the name of two early dukes of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Because they were contemporaries, they are often confused with each other.

Given name

 * Daumantas of Lithuania, Grand Duke of Lithuania (1282–1285)
 * Daumantas of Pskov, Prince of Pskov (1266–1299)
 * Daumantas, nom de guerre of Juozas Lukša, post-World War II anti-Soviet Lithuanian partisan leader

Surname

 * Juozas Lukša-Daumantas (1921-1951), Lithuanian anti-Soviet resistance fighter
 * Tomas Daumantas (born 1975), Lithuanian footballer
 * Vladas Daumantas (1885-1977), Lithuanian politician, diplomat, bibliophile and collector

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Talk:Salamander letter

More info on Hoffman stuff
My memory is that one of the current members of the presidency of the seventy David E. Sorenson was instrumental in exposing the fraud. He was planning on purchasing some of the letters and donating them to the church; however, he had hired investigators and experts to verify the authenticity before laying down the cash, and the findings of these professionals are what began the downturn. I have been trying to find some references but only these:. Trödel| talk 18:52, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I wonder why the controversal part of the salamander letter is left out of this page: The letter was beleved by church leaders and was suppressed. unsigned by User:71.108.192.117

(anon 16:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)) I will second that concern. I came to the article to find out what it was about the letter that made church leaders believe it. Were there oral legends of a white salamander? unsigned by User:205.155.71.178

 * Good question, IP addresses. It was believed by church leaders because the handwriting was accurate, and it was deemed a "real" copy of an early letter . Hoffman was a master forger, and experts believed his work was authentic. In addition, as stated in the article, the document discussed a "magical world view." At the time in Mormon studies, scholars were showing parallels between Mormonism and astrology, freemasonry and more. So it was timely to surface. The idea that Smith recieved the plates on the equinox was combined by Hoffman with other ideas, such as a notice in a local paper by the Smith family stating that Alvin's grave had not been disturbed, contrary to popular belief, (the notice had no other context in any avaialable writings), with a Magick belief about fire-resistent salamanders, so hoffman tied the three of these together. No Mormon legends of Salamanders nor mentions in other historical documents. It was generally believed the same as other strange ideas he introduced into culture ranging from his forgery of "Oath of a Freeman" written on the Mayflower, to oddities he introduced into the lives of Emily Dickinson, Mark Twain and Abraham Lincoln, by forging things in their names. Each time, he tried to make the authors or topics appear in negative light. He always seemed to have an axe to grind. So that's the end of the story. A good read is Salamander: The Story of the Mormon Forgery Murders by Allen Dale Roberts and Linda Sillitoe.

 * Incidentally, other forgeries of his including the Josesph Smith III succession letter, and the Anthon transcript are still believed by many both within and without the church today. He was a skillful forger, seeking to discredit the LDS Church, by his own admission. -Visorstuff 17:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I do not believe that church leaders covered this up. Sure, if you completely ignore the fact that they published the letter in Church News, and President Hinckley himself addressed it in the Ensign magazine (see references section), you might have a case. From his tone, I would disagree that he even believed in it. RTA, it's very informative. Anyway, to say that it was "believed by church leaders and ... suppressed" is not true at all. If anything, the Church handled this directly and with remarkable objectivity and straightforwardness for something that could have otherwise been detrimental. If anything, it confirms my belief in the the Brethren's right and very real ability to have inspiration in directing the affairs of the Kingdom. --Bruce 22:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, my comment was a bit emotive, but my opinions stand, and my facts (sourced facts, mind you) have accumulated. Unless some reasonable objections (with credible sources) are presented soon, I will happily rewrite that section from scratch. President Hinckley did not necessarily believe the letter was genuine, as evidenced by a talk of his that I added at the bottom of the page. He in fact questioned it openly (Ibid.). The current tone is totally misleading. That he planned to purchase it himself is also dubious (read: unsourced). Nor is FARMS a part of the Church. It's been a year and a half now. None of the more disputed items are sourced at all, and I have found enough evidence that contradicts its current language to justify the change. Bruce 05:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

NPOV concerns
The final paragraph of the "Lasting effects" section seems a little, well, POV-ish. (It's a vast improvement on what was here before, however.) I realize that the folk-magic of western New York in the 1820's is still part-and-parcel of the non-supernatural explanations of the origins of the BoM, but the long-term effect of the Salamander letter is more that it made people think along those lines than anything else. It is well supported from documents not forged by Hoffman. I note that a pro-Smith source such as Bushman (p. 50) has no trouble in seeing magical folklore as part of Smith's background. John Jenkins 02:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Several people killed themselves after it was revealed the letter was forged and Hinckley, supposedly a profit, had been fooled by it. Why isn't this mentioned in the article? A History Channel TV special mentions it, so does the book "One Nation Under Gods". --Ragemanchoo (talk) 05:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * As if the History Channel is an actual authority? All you have to do is watch one episode of Ancient Aliens to see how they manipulate minor details and sensationalize anything they can for ratings all the while using "experts" who actually have no formal training in the fields they are representing.  Onto the book mentioned, written by Richard Abanes, who just happens to be highly tied in with Rick Warren (both known anti-mormons) - of whom I would consider dubious sources for use in this article.  While the claims of suicide may be true, it would seem that neutral sources should be used to explain the events.  68.108.135.15 (talk) 19:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing
Given the inherent controversy of this topic, I'd have hoped to see a more careful job of footnoting. It's not clear exactly what sources back up what statements in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 18:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you 100%. Not only is the footnoting unclear in some spots, there's also missing footnotes. It says that the documents were later proven to be frauds and mentions new FBI techniques, but does not give any support to this. Not a bit of backup. While it may not be the intent, it makes it seem like the author is slanting the point of view and just saying that the document was a forgery without proof because that's they want the story to end. The only information he footnotes on the document are either opinions or state that they can't prove it's a forgery. I shouldn't have to go to another site to find the proof and information on this (which I haven't done, yet, so I'm not yet sure it exists...if it does, it should be footnoted here, if not, there should be no forgery conclusion, just speculation based on other evidence). (Kelly) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.188.209.78 (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Introduction
The sentence beginning "Variously accepted and rejected ... " doesn't read right. It seems to suggest that Rendell did both. Perhaps it should read "Accepted by some document experts and rejected by others (including....)" Myrvin (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Fully automatic machine guns
Machine guns in the United States are sold in semi-automatic mode. They can only fire one shot for each trigger pull. They do have to be converted to fully-automatic mode to be true machine guns. The sentence describing this is accurate. Padillah (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Text removed
Removed the following from the "Purchase and publicity" section: In a Church News release on April 28, 1985, he stated, "No one, of course, can be certain that Martin Harris wrote the document. However, at this point we accept the judgment of the examiner that there is no indication that it is a forgery. This does not preclude the possibility that it may have been forged at a time when the Church had many enemies."

According to Turley, this is attributable to Hinckley, not Christensen. Richigi (talk) 20:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Misleading opening line
Lupin VII, just reversed my 17:43, 20 September 2019 edit. I know we don't always have time to read the articles, every time we encounter a suspected bad influence on an article. I was just bringing the opening line "The salamander letter is a document about the history of the Latter-day Saint movement" into agreement with existing content (below) in the article, so readers wouldn't think that the forgery was authentic (a common problem with such well known documents later proven to be forged, even many decades later)...I don't relish a battle of reversions ... if everyone's OK with it I will re-store my 17:43, 20 September 2019 edit to "The salamander letter is a document forgery purported to be about the history of the Latter-day Saint movement"?

I agree. This article would be a lot better if it clearly indicated that the document was a forgery. This isn’t disputed, so one has to wonder about the motives of those who keep removing this key aspect from the introduction. If the nature of the document was disputed today “controversial” would be a key aspect of its nature. As it is, the document is fairly non-controversial today (except as it relates to the ongoing embarrassment of those who acted on a belief that if was/might be real). Laconist (talk) 20:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Subject of Forgery and Netflix
With the release of a new Netflix series on this subject, this article will be receiving a lot of interest and scrutiny from Wiki users. It is important that all sourcing in the article is accurate and integrity driven. I've removed the text from the first sentence of the introduction which stated the letters are a forgery citing an uncorroborated source. It is my opinion that until a definitive source(s) can verify the claims of a forgery, the Wiki article should not make a claim one way or another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.155.222 (talk) 08:34, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

It appears this entire Wikipedia article has been edited by the Mormon church to discredit this knowing the Netflix documentary was coming out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.68.205.12 (talk) 05:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

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Why was the cited line removed from lead?
Is anyone aware of a reason to discredit the Western Forensic Document Examiner? There was a reference to a paper they published declaring the letter to be a forgery but the reference and the citation were removed. Can anyone shed light on why this publication is not citable? Padillah (talk) 18:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Satanism/Archive 1

''This Satanism is outside of God vs. Satan dualism. In this Satanism Satan is not a Deity, but a principle of Being and Becoming captured in a lingo made out of the eastern words "Sat" and "Tan". Sat: The one ever-present Reality in the infinite world; the divine essence which IS, but cannot be said to "exist" because it is Absoluteness, or Being-ness Itself. Satta: the One and Sole Existence. Sattva: Understanding; quiescence in divine knowledge; a Bodhisattva is a person that possesses this. Satya: Supreme Truth. Satya Yuga: the Golden Age of the age of truth, actually the first Yuga, but often equated with the Trita Yuga (last age). Tan means to "stretch forth" to "become." Words such as Tantra, Tanmatri have the root word "tan" in them.''

This paragraph and the rest of the section about Sat/Tan should be removed or heavliy edited. The text above is just eastern mysticism. It is not relevant to the subject. Perhaps this section could be reduced only to the etymology of the word "satan". -Mikael

August: It is highly relevant as it is one of the largest fractions in today's Satanism. It might not be so big in the USA (I dunno 'bout that really) but in Europe and Scandinavia it is certainly larger than, say the Setian line. It is eastern mysticism, yes, but it is also Dark Doctrine Satanism. The thing about etymology is just a theory, just as the etymological theory about Set.

It may be highly relevant, but in the form it is in here, it doesn't make much sense. It is full of assumptions that have no place in Wikipedia, or that should at the very least be presented as beliefs, not as fact.

It has a "Boundless Darkness" as the Prime Force and a "flaming light" within the Darkness that flashes out and becomes all things due to the desire of the Boundless Darkness. According to this sytem, only people with that Flame within can self actualize, but must choose to do so.

This is just nonsense and should be rewritten to take into account readers that are unfamiliar with concepts such as "Prime Force", "Boundless Darkness" and "flashing out". It should all be written from the point of view of someone who does not believe in these things. Brentford 16:34, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Peccavimus: As a linguist, I have problems with this. ShTN is a perfectly valid Hebrew root; there's no reason to postulate borrowings from an Indo-European language. Now, if it were clear that this interpretation is a reinterpretation or a folk etymology, that'd be one thing, but this paragraph almost seems to imply that ShTN is related to I-E somehow. (Also, I'm no expert in I-E, but I'm dubious of these rootwords too --) --

I think there needs to be a better introduction here, because the basic definition given for Satanism does not account for the Philosophical Satanists. Thus it gives the appearance that even the P. Satanists worship evil, I think this needs to change as a POV matter, any comments before I do something about it?

August: Uhmm, yes, I agree.

Imporant: before doing any writing on this topic, please see the extremely well written and researched essay on this topic at the Religious Tolerance website. It is essential reading. RK http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm

RK: That article is reasonably well written, and mostly accurate. It also spends a lot of time discussing what is not satanism. That brings up a question we need to explore concerning the satanism article here -- how much time/space/effort should we spend exploring what is not satanism but mistakenly called satanism? (Bal)

SJK: Sorry I didn't see your Nov 10 questions/comments earlier.

SJK> Balanone: You deleted the mention of the distinction between "modern" and "traditional" Satanism. Why?

Only because it's highly questionable whether there is any "traditional" Satanism. It's fairly easy to track examples of literary Satanism (eg: Huysmans' La Bas ), and we can find things which various occultists like Aleister Crowley and Eliphas Levi borrowed from literary Satanism, but there's no reliable evidence that any tradition of Satanism really existed (most people now consider the claims of the Inquisition and related witch hunts to be horribly unreliable). Are you aware of any evidence which has escaped my notice?

 * There are many thousands of Satanists in the USA who certainly do worship the Christian concept of Satan in this fashion...but they are not members of any organized church. As for the official organized churches that do promote worship of Satan, they have a non-Chrisitian definition of the term Satan. Thus, calling them Satanists may be misleading. Nonetheless, since they choose to call themselves Satanists, we have to call them that. They just willingly cause society to hate them because of their pervese desire to be called "Satanists". That's their choice. RK

 * Are there many thousands of Satanists in the USA who certainly do worship the Christian concept of Satan? Where are they? What documentation do we have that they exist? The religioustolerance.org article you point us to above doesn't mention them. The closest they come is when they describe "There are tens or hundreds of thousands of rebellious young people in North America who briefly dabble in a form of Satanism. Their source material is often in the books by LaVey, perhaps supplemented by writings about Gothic Satanism by Evangelical or Fundamentalist Christian authors. Sometimes, they will also include elements from books on ceremonial Magick, Wicca or other Neopagan religions in their practices." These are the "adolescents" described currently in our article here. Perhaps that can be expanded to include some of this description. But I've seen no evidence that there are thousands of people who worship the Christian concept of Satan. Can you point us to any?

 * These are precisely the people I am referring to! They appear in police reports in newspapers from all states, from time to time. Their statements (when any are reported) always make it clear that their concept of Satan is definately Christian. The fact that they happen to be reading one of Anton Levay's books is of little import, because most people haven't the slightest clue of the philosophical differences between the two different Satan-concepts. When an drug taking, alcohol drinking American teenager sees a book on worshipping Satan, and decided to read from it, he is following Christian Satanism, not the highly technical pseudo-naturalistic philosophy of Anton Levay and his college educated peers. These kids are really Satanists in the classical sense of the term, and they sometimes exist in groups of 3 to 7 to over a dozen. Not many, but over the nation, they add up. I don't think that they are important in any statistical sense, but they are worth mentioning. RK

 * First off, there is no evidence of their being thousands of them, and many of those who do claim to actually worship the Christian concept of Satan likely do so to shock/annoy people (particulaly Christians, who are often seen as authority figures by them). Even religioustolerance.org can't come up with many of them. You're claiming these groups actually exist, but they seem to be an urban legend. If you can come up with a source, I might believe you, but from all I've seen Gothic Satanism (worship of the Christian Satan) is limited to an inconsequentially small number of people. It might merit its own section at the end, but it looks to me like you've fallen for an urban legend. I've met many people who are involved with the occult, and none of them have ever met a Satanist who actually worshipped the Christian Satan. There probably are a few (there always are), but there is little evidence of their existance. Titanium Dragon 11:20, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * So, would it be reasonable to add a statement like I draft below (3 paragraphs), perhaps after the discussion of traditional/modern Satanism, and before the mention of Gnostic sects?

 * The philosophical and religious Satanists claim to be adamantly law-abiding, for reasons which vary by group. However, the people who are "rebellious" Satanists adopt the Christian dogma that Satan and Satanists are inherently evil, and therefore illegal activities within those groups are common.

 * These latter can often be found carrying or owning books by LaVey, but more often than not they are only slightly familiar with the philosophical contents of the books. They are more swayed by writings and legends of literary Satanism, or by writings decrying the hypothetical worst of Satanism written by Evangelical or Fundamentalist Christian authors. These are the Satanists that occasionally appear in police reports and in newspapers from time to time. Their statements (when any are reported) always make it clear that their concept of Satan is definitely Christian, rather than that of the latter two groups above. These latter Satanists sometimes gather in small groups (almost always fewer than a dozen), and are sometimes solitary (not part of any group).

 * It is important to note that the theories of large networks of organized Satanists involved in illegal activities, murder, and child abuse which were floated during the SRA scare of the late 1900's has been thoroughly disproven, and such theories continue to be held only by the most extreme evangelists and fundamentalists, by those whose careers and finances benefit from maintaining such theories, and by those who believe excessively in conspiracy theories.

 * Sounds very good to me! RK

SJK> Also, I've never heard of a distinction between "religious" and "philosophical" Satanism. I understand what you are getting at, but (unless I misunderstand what you are saying) a lot of people would classify "philosophical" Satanism as just a different type of religious Satanism.

Philosophical Satanists do not believe in Satan, and are often atheists. I don't see how they can be classified as religious. These are now the majority of the membership of the Church of Satan, which loudly proclaims its atheism (as do most of its members).

SJK> As for the "Rebellious Christian" type you refer to, can you point to any actual examples of them, except maybe as an overlap with the "Rebellious Adolescent"? (And, to be neutral, a lot of people would argue that all Satanists are "rebellious Christians", although they may deny it.)

Definitely there is an overlap between them and the rebellious adolescent. Many of these continue well past what most people call adolescence. There are a couple of examples that can be seen on the alt.satanism newsgroup, a number have tried to gain admittance to the Temple of Set under the wrong impression that it would be a suitable group for such people, and I've heard stories from various Pagans about such people they have run into. This is probably an open question, partly dependent on how someone defines "adolescent."

As for neutrality, there are many Satanists (a numerous minority) whose religious background is not Christian (or who have no religious background), and therefore they can't be rebellious Christians.

SJK> Also, some distinction should be made between Satanism and demonolatry. And some mention of Satanic Ritual Abuse and "psychopathic Satanists" (individuals who use satanism as a cover or excuse for criminal activity). -- SJK

Recently saw a page on demonalatry, so that's been done. Agreed: there should be an article discussing the SRA hysteria (more a hysteria and scam than anything involving Satanists). Yes, there should probably be some discussion somewhere of psychopaths and/or criminals who use satanism as a cover or excuse for their criminal activity (I'd rather they weren't called "psychopathic Satanists," since they are almost universally psychopathic criminals who just happen to use satanic trappings as part of their M-O).

I'll revisit the article from time to time, adding some of these mentions based on research (digging things out of my archives) as I figure out how to say them from NPOV. - Balanone: I agree the division into 'modern' and 'traditional' Satanists is very questionable, but it is a classificiation I have encountered several times before. Maybe we should call them "so-called 'traditional'".

Secondly, most of the Church of Satan may not view themselves as religious, but most outsiders (i.e. religion researchers) classify them as religious satanists, even though they are well aware they don't believe in a literal Satan or any other deity. The practice of magick classifies them as religious, at least according to some (though I admit not all) definitions of religion. -- SJK - I've added a statement to the article for that last point. Did I cover it adequately?

I dislike the term "so-called" (anything), unless you can also state why these so-called whatevers are not whatever. So, if there are so-called traditional Satanists, then we need to explore a) what is a traditional satanist, and b) why do or don't these people we're discussing qualify under that term.

Would something along the lines of this draft paragraph come close to explaining this?
 * Some studies of satanism mention a category of "traditional satanists". However, it is questionable whether there is any "traditional" Satanism. It is fairly easy to track examples of literary Satanism (eg: Huysmans' La Bas ), and various occultists like Aleister Crowley and Eliphas Levi borrowed some of their symbolism and activity from literary Satanism, but there does not seem to be any reliable evidence that any tradition of Satanism really existed (most people now consider the claims of the Inquisition and related witch hunts to be horribly unreliable).

Some Satanists are using the phrase "theistic Satanism" rather than "traditionalists," perhaps in recognition of the questionable application of the term "traditional" to Satanism. See for example the Theistic Satanism site by Diane Vera http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/ (who has been active in the Satanism 'scene' since at least the early 90's).

I would be careful about the label "religious." If we are going to maintain a NPOV, according to the guidelines of Wikipedia, we should try to indicate the beliefs and practices of Satanism, according to those who follow it, without imposing our own interpretations. And many Satanists seem to object to classifying Satanism as a religion, even to the point of calling it an "unreligion." see http://www.dpjs.co.uk/serpent.html#C

Classifying the Temple of Set under "religious Satanism" is questionable at best. (1) If they call themselves "Setians" then how does the author justify labelling them as "Religious Satanists"? (2) The statement, "The Temple of Set claims to believe in the existence of Set, the ancient Egyptian god, as the primal Prince of Darkness" is technically erroneous. The Temple does not require its members to believe in the literal existence of Set (at least not until the III* Priest and above). RL Barrett 18:58 May 6, 2003 (UTC)

 * be bold in fixing Wikipedia articles. It's probably easier for us to see what you mean if you just change it the way you think it ought to be :) Martin

Okay, I checked out the be bold article, and I understand. Maybe I'm one of those 'possessive' types, so I hesitate to alter someone else's work. The Satanism article isn't too bad, I just thought some of the wording could be better.

Also, someone at the top of this talk page recommended the Satanism article at religioustolerance.org. That's all well and good, but for this topic I would think that the many FAQs posted to alt.satanism should at least be consulted. The alt.s FAQs are more likely to reflect the views of a broad range of Satanists (thus hopefully aiding one in maintaining a NPOV here).

Anyway, I'll see what I can do. Also, I've been adding reading lists and making very minor changes to related articles - like Church of Satan and Temple of Set - and I'd like to do a complete rewrite of the Luciferians article as soon as I can find the time. I don't mind if someone else edits what I'm doing (as they probably will anyway), but when and where possible I'd like to hear why they thought those changes were needed. RL Barrett 14:51 May 7, 2003 (UTC)

Reverted: LaVey did not coin the term Satanism. He deliberately appropriated the word for its shock value. Martin 22:45, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Federal University of Paraíba

Federal University of Paraíba (Universidade Federal da Paraíba, UFPB) is a public university whose main campus is located in the city of João Pessoa, Paraíba, Brazil. Along with Federal University of Campina Grande, they're the main universities in the state of Paraíba, Brazil.

UFPB offers degrees (Bachelor's, Master's and Doctoral) in areas such as the liberal arts (including Law), health sciences (including Medicine and Dentistry), engineering and technology (Computer Science and Computer Engineering), business, education and the fine arts (Music, Theater, Art).

There are also campuses in Areia, Bananeiras and North Coast (Rio Tinto and Mamanguape).

2002 campus detachment
In 2002 the UFPB, at the time formed by the campuses in João Pessoa, Areia, Campina Grande, Patos, Cajazeiras and Sousa, had four of them detached due to the creation of the Federal University of Campina Grande.

Campuses and Centres
Campus I - João Pessoa Campus II - Areia
 * CBIOTEC - Centre for Biotechnology
 * CCHLA - Centre for Human Sciences, Letters, and Arts
 * CCSA - Centre for Applied Social Sciences
 * CE - Centre for Education
 * CCS - Centre for Health Sciences
 * CCM - Centre for Medical Sciences
 * CCJ - Centre for Law Studies
 * CCEN - Centre for Natural and Exact Sciences
 * CI - Centre for Informatics
 * CTDR - Centre for Technology and Regional Development
 * CEAR - Centre for Alternative and Renewable Energy
 * Centre for Agrarian Science

Campus III - Bananeiras
 * Centre for Human, Social, and Agrarian Sciences

Campus IV - Litoral Norte (Rio Tinto e Mamanguape)
 * Centre for Applied Sciences and Education

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Dzūkija National Park

Dzūkija National Park is a national park in Dzūkija, Lithuania, located 100 kilometers southwest from the capital, Vilnius, and 100 kilometers south from Kaunas. It was established on April 23, 1991 by the Supreme Court of the Republic of Lithuania. The park was established to protect and manage the territories of the Dainava land. The park mainly consists of marsh areas, lakes, rivers, swamps, inland dunes, and mountain-ridges and is the country's most extensive and protected forest. The national park encompasses 584.53 square kilometers on the banks of the Nemunas River.

The park belongs to both the Association of Baltic National Parks and the Federation of European National Parks.

Features
The park enjoys a more continental climate than other parts of the country. The average temperature in January drops to -5.4 °C and rises to +17.7 °C in July. Most of the territory in Dzūkija National Park is covered by forests dominated by pine and other trees, such as birch, spruce, and alder grove. The park contains 30 different rivers and streams and belongs to the Nemunas river basin. South of Dzūkija National Park is the Čepkeliai Marsh Reserve, which is the largest bog in Lithuania. Its most distinctive landscapes are the mainland dune massifs, located in Marcinkonys, Lynežeris, Grybaulia, and Šunupis.

Tourism
Entry to Dzūkija National Park is free, but some activities require permits, such as kayaking, angling, and entry into the Čepkeliai Marsh Reserve. Other tourism activities include berry and mushroom foraging, hiking, and bicycling.

Settlements
The administrative center of the park is in Marcinkonys and the other important town is Merkinė. The ethnographic village of Zervynos can be found within the park.

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Nelson Mass

The Missa in angustiis (Mass for troubled times), commonly known as the Nelson Mass (Hob. XXII/11), is a Mass setting by the Austrian composer Joseph Haydn. It is one of the six masses written near the end of his life that are seen as a culmination of Haydn's composition of liturgical music.

Background
Haydn's chief biographer, H. C. Robbins Landon, has written that this mass "is arguably Haydn's greatest single composition". Written in 1798, it is one of the six late masses by Haydn for the Esterhazy family composed after taking a short hiatus, during which elaborate church music was inhibited by the Josephinian reforms of the 1780s. The late sacred works of Haydn are regarded as masterworks, influenced by the experience of his London symphonies. They highlight the soloists and chorus while allowing the orchestra to play a prominent role. Owing to the political and financial instability of this period in European history, Haydn's patron Nikolaus II dismissed the Feldharmonie, or wind band octet, shortly before Haydn wrote the Missa in angustiis for the Princess's name day. Haydn, therefore, was left with a "dark" orchestra composed of strings, trumpets, timpani, and organ. Later editors and arrangers added what they perceived to be missing woodwind parts, but the original scoring has again become the accepted choice for modern performances.

Though Haydn's reputation was at its peak in 1798, when he wrote this mass, his world was in turmoil. Napoleon had won four major battles with Austria in less than a year. The previous year, in early 1797, his armies had crossed the Alps and threatened Vienna itself. In May 1798, Napoleon invaded Egypt to destroy Britain's trade routes to the East.

The summer of 1798 was therefore a terrifying time for Austria, and when Haydn finished this mass, his own title, in the catalogue of his works, was Missa in angustiis (Mass for troubled times). What Haydn did not know when he wrote the mass, but what he and his audience heard (perhaps on September 15, the day of the very first performance), was that on 1 August, Napoleon had been dealt a stunning defeat in the Battle of the Nile by British forces led by Admiral Horatio Nelson. Because of this coincidence, the mass gradually acquired the nickname Lord Nelson Mass. The title became indelible when, in 1800, Lord Nelson himself visited the Palais Esterházy, accompanied by his British mistress, Lady Hamilton, and may have heard the mass performed by Haydn himself and would meet shortly afterwards.

Haydn's original title may also have come from illness and exhaustion at this time, which followed his supervision of the first performances of The Creation, completed a few months earlier. More simply, it may have sprung from the challenge of composing without the desired instrumentation. The solo parts for two of the vocal quartet are virtuosic: the bass line was perhaps written for the accomplished Christian Specht, and the soprano line, even more demanding, could have been written for Barbara Pilhofer or Therese Gassmann. The piece was premiered 23 September 1798 at the town parish church (now cathedral), a last minute venue change from the Bergkirche in Eisenstadt.

Movements
The text, slightly altered, is taken from the Latin Mass of the Catholic church. It consists of the following six movements. Performances require between 45 and 60 minutes. The choir sings in all movements.

 * 1) Kyrie, Allegro moderato, D minor, 3/4 (soprano solo)
 * 2) Gloria, Allegro, D major, common time (soli soprano, alto, tenor, bass [SATB])
 * Qui tollis, Andante con moto, B-flat major, 3/4 (soli soprano, baritone)
 * Quoniam tu solus sanctus, Allegro, D major, common time (soli SATB)
 * 1) Credo, Allegro con spirito, D major, alla breve
 * Et incarnatus est, Largo, G major, 3/4 (soli SATB)
 * Et resurrexit, Vivace, D major, common time (soprano solo)
 * 1) Sanctus, Adagio, D major, common time
 * Pleni sunt coeli, Allegro, D major, 3/4
 * 1) Benedictus, Allegretto, D minor, 2/4 (soli SATB)
 * Pleni sunt coeli, Allegro, Allegro, D major, 3/4 (soli SATB)
 * 1) Agnus Dei, Adagio, G major, 3/4 (soli SATB)
 * Dona nobis pacem, Vivace, D major, common time (soli SATB)

Selected discography

 * 1962: King's College Choir and a reduced London Symphony Orchestra with Sylvia Stahlman (soprano), Helen Watts (contralto), Wilfred Brown (tenor), Tom Krause (baritone), Simon Preston (organ), conducted by Sir David Willcocks; recording re-released in 2000 by London/Decca Legends CD 458623
 * 1986: The English Concert Choir and the English Concert conducted by Trevor Pinnock, recording released in 1990 by Archiv Produktion (Deutsche Grammophon) CD 423097

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Talk:Miami and Erie Canal

Map
This article cries out for a map, or a link to a map

 * Done. --K4 pacific 06:19, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Lift locks and guard locks
I don't know what a "guard lock" is, but a "lift lock" is a rare and specialized kind -- a kind of "ship lift", like the Peterborough lift locks in Peterborough Ontario. -- Geo Swan 18:55, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

 * Done! Link added, article on guard lock created. --K4 pacific 06:19, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Canal locks are not lift locks. A lift lock is a rare and specialized kind of lock. In a lift lock vessels proceed into a caisson, a kind of basin, which is then lifted on a large elevator. See the Anderton Boat Lift.
 * There is a larger article on lift locks, with better pictures, in the French wikipedia. [unsigned]

 * A guard lock if I'm understanding what I've read completely isn't like a normal canal locks, they aren't used to raise and lower the boats like the normal locks would be throughout the rising and falling of the watershed level. They are actually in place where the canal meets feeds or rivers to keep the canal moving in its own path and not just moving with the river or feed path. They are also in place as a sort of emergency flood control as well. [unsigned]

Demise of Ohio canals; source recommendation
Of course, the outset of rail travel had to have been a factor since the quicker speed of trains was previously unknown. However, the canals sustained severe damage in 1913 and again in 1937 due to heavy rainfall and flooding.

A good book on the canals is Canal Days by Randolph Downes.

Musicwriter (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Heritage Museum map
An interesting topographical map showing the geography, path, and elevations of the entire canal is located in the Heritage Museum[1] located in the building housing the Shrine of the Holy Relics in Maria Stein, Ohio, a community located 6 miles (9.7 km) from the canal and just south of Grand Lake St. Marys." just because its an interesting map doesnt make it noteworthy, especially if there is not a link too it. Is this a unique map? Should be removed.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.121.11 (talk) 08:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In the context of this article, it may well be noteworthy. Especially since the article doesn't provide this information itself. What other source of elevation and other information about the canal is there? It may not be all that useful to mention the map as a tourist attraction, but it would probably make a good source to use and cite.— SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 18:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Miami
The Miami Valley needs to be mentioned in the lead. Except for local Ohioans, virtually everyone in the world thinks of "Miami" as referring exclusively to a place in Florida. This article is thus confusing to many people until a whole lot of it is read, since the valley is not mentioned until quite a way into the article.— SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 18:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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Rossinière

Rossinière is a municipality in the Riviera-Pays-d'Enhaut district of the canton of Vaud in Switzerland.

History
Rossinière is first mentioned in 1155 as La Ransonery.

Geography
Rossinière has an area,, of 23.4 km2. Of this area, 8.92 km2 or 38.2% is used for agricultural purposes, while 11.59 km2 or 49.6% is forested. Of the rest of the land, 0.63 km2 or 2.7% is settled (buildings or roads), 0.39 km2 or 1.7% is either rivers or lakes and 1.83 km2 or 7.8% is unproductive land.

Of the built up area, housing and buildings made up 0.8% and transportation infrastructure made up 1.7%. Out of the forested land, 43.2% of the total land area is heavily forested and 3.9% is covered with orchards or small clusters of trees. Of the agricultural land, 0.2% is used for growing crops and 10.5% is pastures and 27.5% is used for alpine pastures. Of the water in the municipality, 1.1% is in lakes and 0.6% is in rivers and streams. Of the unproductive areas, 6.0% is unproductive vegetation and 1.8% is too rocky for vegetation.

The municipality was part of the Pays-d'Enhaut District until it was dissolved on 31 August 2006, and Rossinière became part of the new district of Riviera-Pays-d'Enhaut.

The municipality is located near the Saane/Sarine river, at the foot of the Pointe de Cray (a buttress of the Vanil Noir range) and facing the Planachaux mountain. It consists of the village of Rossinière and the hamlet of La Tine and scattered individual houses. In 1702, the hamlet of Cuves was threatened by the Saane river. It was moved to higher ground and renamed La Tine. A dam on the Saane river forms Lac du Vernex.

Demographics
Rossinière has a population of. , 13.2% of the population are resident foreign nationals. Over the last 10 years (1999–2009 ) the population has changed at a rate of 1.4%. It has changed at a rate of 4.5% due to migration and at a rate of -3% due to births and deaths.

Most of the population speaks French (453 or 89.3%), with German being second most common (22 or 4.3%) and Albanian being third (14 or 2.8%). There is 1 person who speaks Italian.

The age distribution,, in Rossinière is; 57 children or 11.4% of the population are between 0 and 9 years old and 54 teenagers or 10.8% are between 10 and 19. Of the adult population, 60 people or 12.0% of the population are between 20 and 29 years old. 59 people or 11.8% are between 30 and 39, 68 people or 13.6% are between 40 and 49, and 81 people or 16.2% are between 50 and 59. The senior population distribution is 63 people or 12.6% of the population are between 60 and 69 years old, 35 people or 7.0% are between 70 and 79, there are 19 people or 3.8% who are between 80 and 89, and there are 5 people or 1.0% who are 90 and older.

, there were 213 people who were single and never married in the municipality. There were 229 married individuals, 39 widows or widowers and 26 individuals who are divorced.

, there were 190 private households in the municipality, and an average of 2.5 persons per household. There were 58 households that consist of only one person and 26 households with five or more people. Out of a total of 198 households that answered this question, 29.3% were households made up of just one person and there were 3 adults who lived with their parents. Of the rest of the households, there are 51 married couples without children, 65 married couples with children There were 7 single parents with a child or children. There were 6 households that were made up of unrelated people and 8 households that were made up of some sort of institution or another collective housing.

there were 135 single family homes (or 61.9% of the total) out of a total of 218 inhabited buildings. There were 36 multi-family buildings (16.5%), along with 39 multi-purpose buildings that were mostly used for housing (17.9%) and 8 other use buildings (commercial or industrial) that also had some housing (3.7%).

, a total of 186 apartments (63.3% of the total) were permanently occupied, while 81 apartments (27.6%) were seasonally occupied and 27 apartments (9.2%) were empty. , the construction rate of new housing units was 0 new units per 1000 residents. The vacancy rate for the municipality,, was 0%.

The historical population is given in the following chart:

Heritage sites of national significance
The La Maison De La Place and the Grand Chalet are listed as Swiss heritage sites of national significance. The entire village of Rossinière is part of the Inventory of Swiss Heritage Sites.

Politics
In the 2007 federal election the most popular party was the SVP which received 22.68% of the vote. The next three most popular parties were the FDP (22.07%), the SP (21.03%) and the Green Party (13.11%). In the federal election, a total of 143 votes were cast, and the voter turnout was 41.2%.

Economy
, Rossinière had an unemployment rate of 1.7%. , there were 44 people employed in the primary economic sector and about 13 businesses involved in this sector. 43 people were employed in the secondary sector and there were 11 businesses in this sector. 100 people were employed in the tertiary sector, with 22 businesses in this sector. There were 227 residents of the municipality who were employed in some capacity, of which females made up 47.6% of the workforce.

the total number of full-time equivalent jobs was 146. The number of jobs in the primary sector was 29, all of which were in agriculture. The number of jobs in the secondary sector was 39 of which 26 or (66.7%) were in manufacturing and 13 (33.3%) were in construction. The number of jobs in the tertiary sector was 78. In the tertiary sector; 7 or 9.0% were in wholesale or retail sales or the repair of motor vehicles, 3 or 3.8% were in the movement and storage of goods, 9 or 11.5% were in a hotel or restaurant, 1 was in the information industry, 8 or 10.3% were technical professionals or scientists, 3 or 3.8% were in education and 33 or 42.3% were in health care.

, there were 35 workers who commuted into the municipality and 122 workers who commuted away. The municipality is a net exporter of workers, with about 3.5 workers leaving the municipality for every one entering. Of the working population, 6.2% used public transportation to get to work, and 59.5% used a private car.

Religion
From the, 51 or 10.1% were Roman Catholic, while 317 or 62.5% belonged to the Swiss Reformed Church. Of the rest of the population, there were 4 members of an Orthodox church (or about 0.79% of the population), there was 1 individual who belongs to the Christian Catholic Church, and there were 106 individuals (or about 20.91% of the population) who belonged to another Christian church. There were 28 (or about 5.52% of the population) who were Islamic. 34 (or about 6.71% of the population) belonged to no church, are agnostic or atheist, and 18 individuals (or about 3.55% of the population) did not answer the question.

Education
In Rossinière about 160 or (31.6%) of the population have completed non-mandatory upper secondary education, and 42 or (8.3%) have completed additional higher education (either university or a Fachhochschule). Of the 42 who completed tertiary schooling, 54.8% were Swiss men, 31.0% were Swiss women.

In the 2009/2010 school year there were a total of 44 students in the Rossinière school district. In the Vaud cantonal school system, two years of non-obligatory pre-school are provided by the political districts. During the school year, the political district provided pre-school care for a total of 817 children of which 456 children (55.8%) received subsidized pre-school care. The canton's primary school program requires students to attend for four years. There were 24 students in the municipal primary school program. The obligatory lower secondary school program lasts for six years and there were 18 students in those schools. There were also 2 students who were home schooled or attended another non-traditional school.

, there were 6 students in Rossinière who came from another municipality, while 70 residents attended schools outside the municipality.

Literature and Media
The 1950 children's book Treasures of the Snow by Patricia St. John, and its 1983 Japanese anime adaption, Story of the Alps: My Annette, were set in Rossinière.

Notable residents
It was the home of the artist Balthus during the latter part of his life.

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