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User talk:Bryan Derksen/Archive 10

Succession boxes
Hello there. By convention, we don't group a peerage succession (e.g. Earl of Balfour) with offices. I've made the necessary change at Arthur Balfour. Just so you know. Mackensen (talk) 03:00, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Okie-dokie. It's my first time using these things, I'll keep it in mind for the future. Bryan 03:02, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * No worries, and I'm glad to see someone else doing the grunt work. Happy editing. Mackensen (talk) 03:12, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Hopefully any messes I've made will be easy to clean up now that the data's been put into templates like these. It looks like a very tidy system. Bryan 03:36, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * After over a year of trial and error...mainly error it seems like. Ah well, nothing like free time I don't have. Incidentally, I think I've straightened out the Lord Warden bit. Whomever went and did them all in the first place really didn't know what they were doing, and we're always tripping over them and fixing them. Mackensen (talk) 05:48, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks. BTW, did I guess right on the pluralization of Lord Warden when I created the category for them? I have the sneaking suspicion that I should have called it Lord Wardens instead of Lords Warden. :) Bryan 05:52, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I have no idea ;). Go ask Lord Emsworth. He knows all. Mackensen (talk) 05:55, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Hmm, it seems Emsworth is taking a vacation. From a cursory Google search, I'd think it's "Lords Warden", but Emsworth, John Kenney, etc. are far more knowledgeable on the topic than I am :) ugen64 20:05, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'd say "Lord Wardens", since they are primarily Wardens rather than Lords. It's similar to Lord Chancellors, Lord Great Chamberlains, etc. (Have a look at Category:Great Officers of State.) Proteus (Talk) 15:03, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

L.A. County
Thanks for the re-cat of L.A. County. That was exactly what I had planned to do someday. You got it done while I was still thinking about it! Cheers, -Willmcw 05:17, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Disinformation
Just to let you know, I'm not actually serious about this project. It would, most likely, be a terrible idea. Think of it as a hoax about propagating hoaxes. ‣ ᓛᖁ  [ ᑐ ] 10:19, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * That in itself is also a bad idea, since I'm sure it's going to result in a lot of bad attention from other editors who react even more strongly to the idea than I do. Besides, I don't think I can really trust you at this point; you've inserted blatant disinformation into an article once already that I know of, and the same disinformation is presented on that page as an example. Besides, what's the merit of a hoax project to insert hoaxes? Remember that our goal here is to write an encyclopedia, not build an online community. Everything ultimately must serve that goal. Bryan 16:36, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * *sigh*
 * You're probably right. I'm sure someone could come up with a really good justification for the idea, but I can't see it at the moment.  I think its best use is as a thought experiment and cautionary device.  What if there really was such a project?  Is there a better way to "ping" how closely Wikipedia's content is monitored?  It wouldn't work if everyone knew exactly where the inaccuracies were.  Maybe I'll just throw Category:Humor at the page or sth.  I am interested in who might believe it to be serious, though.  ‣ ᓛᖁ  [[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|♀]] [ ᑐ ] 21:42, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * To ping Wikipedia, how about selecting a number of random articles and independantly verifying the information contained within to see if there are flaws? That's straightforward statistical sampling, and it has the added benefit that it will allow any errors so detected to be corrected. I recommend deleting the disinformation page entirely, it's only going to draw heat. Bryan 06:34, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Bloom
Thanks for adding the note to Grey goo about Bloom, that was on my todo list. Now all we need todo is write an article for the book. Edward 21:51, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)

Geo-stubs
Hi Brian, I've spent the last couple of weeks going through all the geo-stubs and putting them in their correct subcategories (such as Africa-go-stub, UK-geo-stub, etc). I had another look today, and lo and behold there were a fresh bunch of new African ones just put in geo-stub. I appreciate you adding the stub messages to articles, but please can you make sure there aren't more appropriate subcategories when you do? Cheers, Grutness|hello? 04:59, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Wasn't aware there were subcategories to that, I've just been tossing it in whenever I was doing something else in a geographic stub anyway. I'll take a look and try to remember the subcategories in the future, thanks. Bryan 05:04, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. They're all listed at the top of Category: Geography stubs. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 23:33, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Redirs to VfD
G'day Bryan

there seemed to be a problem with the redirs at Votes for deletion/Timeline of fictional historical events and Votes for deletion/Timeline of fictional future events, so I edited the articles to avoid them. Do you mind if I now list the redirs on redirects for deletion? No criticism intended, I just wanted to get it working and this way seems to have worked in the past. Andrewa 23:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem, as long as the VfD discussion can be easily reached from the VfD headers on the articles being VfDed I'm perfectly happy. Bryan 00:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Done, and I've wikilinked from the nomination to this discussion, so please don't archive this or edit the heading for a week or so. Andrewa 01:54, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay. It takes a lot longer than a week for my talk page to fill up, fortunately. :) Bryan 01:56, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Consensus science/scientific consensus/RFC
(William M. Connolley 09:38, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)) Hi, given your recent interest in the politicisation of science, you might be interested to look at Scientific consensus or Consensus science and maybe Requests for comment/William M. Connolley

Academy Awards
Please stop, I beg you. What you're doing is put it completely in the wrong direction I had going. I'll be happy to explain but please stop changing everything. Cburnett 21:39, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I've stopped for now because I think I'm done with the things I felt needed doing. By all means explain what you think is wrong with what I was doing, and if I agree I'll help fix things. If I don't agree, though, I'll be happy to explain my own philosophy as well. Bryan 21:43, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, one or two minor things just came to mind which I think you'll find noncontroversial. I should put the (film) subcategories under Category:Films and the actor subcategories under Category:Actors (that aren't already included via Category:Academy Award winning actors). Also, I just noticed that Category:Best Director Oscar was put on the Lord of the Rings movie article when the award actually went to Peter Jackson for his work on that film. The movie itself would fall under something like Category:Films directed by Academy Award for Best Director winners, under the renaming scheme I proposed on CfD. Bryan 22:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * First, please see my rational on the CFD page.
 * Regarding film categories: I'm not sure where they should go. Putting films under Category:Films makes sense and likewise for actors
 * Regarding Best Director: I don't think that was my addition. I had created the category but didn't populate it.  Someone who saw my best picture category addition must've added all the oscar categories for it.
 * Cburnett 22:27, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

My biggest problem with your renaming is the massively lengthed categories now. I'm not entirely sure how long, but I spent hours just thinking of ways to name categories to make them succinct but understandable. For a film that won 11 awards or even a couple, those category names will fill up several lines in the category box already, but now several more because of the extended length. My optimal choice would be to put everything back and strike up a discussion on a talk page instead of involving WP:CFD on the issue. :) Cburnett 22:27, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * As with most of the big categorization projects I wind up involved in, I didn't intend to do this much work at first; I was just browsing through Special:Uncategorizedcategories and when I first started trying to link these together into subcategories I found the names to be highly non-intuitive. So I started working up ways to label them more clearly, and that CfD was the result of my thoughts. I've added some discussion of why I thought those names needed changing to the CfD discussion now, with a link to the naming conventions I think apply here. Bryan 22:34, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cricket subcategories category
Bryan

Philip and I are the two main categorisers of cricket-related articles. As you saw, we were both in favour of retaining the cricket subcategories category as a tool to help us - and there are good reasons for keeping it rather than a list. Categorisation takes a lot of time as it is, maintaining a list of subcategories would merely add to it (after all, it takes one second to add "Category:Cricket subcategories" at the bottom of a newly created cricket subcategory, given WP's current performance, it could take up to a minute to add it to a long list.

I think your proposal to convert this category to a list would not only be a waste of your time, it would also hinder our work to categorise cricket and lead to a waste of Philip's and my time. When the software changes so that we can "look through" categories, we will no longer need this subcategory - until then, I ask you to appreciate that this is just one of thousands of categories, and to realise it is doing more good than harm. Kind regards, jguk 07:42, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Nevertheless I remain committed to doing just that. See Ownership of articles - you may be one of the primary users of this category, but I have just as much right to fiddle with it as you do. You're a fan of cricket, so you do a lot of work on cricket articles; I'm a fan of good, clean category structure, so I do work on tidying up cases like this. I don't think it's worth the trade of a few seconds' convenience to have this inappropriate category remain in Wikipedia. How often do you create new cricket subcategories, anyway? There are roughly 250 of them in that category right now, so it would have taken a grand total of 4 hours to add those all to a list if you did them one at a time and it took a minute for each one. How long have you spent arguing with me to keep that category?

 * Please, tell me what sort of work it is that you think will take years to complete on these categories, I'm not trying to be obstructionist and I really do think that a list will be more helpful for whatever it is that you're trying to do. I can even help out with doing it, I'm good at categorizing stuff and can probably contribute way more than four hours' worth of work if it needs doing. Bryan 16:30, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bryan, you have offered your opinion and now been told by at least 3 members of the Cricket WikiProject that we do not like your idea of having a list of subcategories rather than a category of subcategories. It is members of the Cricket WikiProject who are most likely to be categorisers of cricket articles. I ask you to just accept the position as it is. I thank you for your idea, but ultimately, what tools are used by those who categorise cricket-related articles should be determined by those who categorise cricket-related articles, rather than your good self.

I would also add that your persistency is beginning to have a negative effect - certainly I for one am reluctant to continue much categorisation work as I am not sure whether you are going to hinder or destroy that work going forward. I'm sure that is not your intention, but I would like to point out that as far as I am aware this discussion is now counter-productive to the categorisation of cricket-related articles. After all, we are only talking about one category amongst thousands - if you do not like it, it is easy enough to overlook it, Kind regards, jguk 17:29, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I have never suggested that I would "destroy" any categorization work you've done, indeed I've offered at several points to help with it. I categorize a lot of heck of a lot of articles. I've had people think I run some sort of categorizing bot through this account (I don't, it's all manual). But so far none of you have actually told me what sort of work you're trying to do here, you've given me no reason to believe that this "cricket subcategories" category is of any use and you've certainly given me no reason to believe you consider it only a temporary thing. I don't think I'm the one who's being counterproductive here. Would you please at least answer my question? Bryan 00:15, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Succession boxes
As a note, when showing succession of peerage titles, we generally use Template:PeerNavbox instead of the succession boxes, unless we have to show the movement of multiple titles. In neither case do we show the years when the peer held the title. Best, Mackensen (talk) 03:28, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah. I note, however, that that template is actually just a wrapper for the succession box template; using it is identical to using the succession box template while leaving the "years" value blank. Just blank the years on the ones I did and it'll have the same effect, with (very) marginally less server effort. Bryan 03:35, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

English cricketers
Please keep the "English cricketers" (or other nationality) categorisation in the individual players' articles - I'm not alone in finding it very useful. By all means remove the "Cricketers" categorisation in the individual players' articles. Kind regards, jguk 04:15, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm probably going to regret asking, but what do you find it useful for? This sort of redundancy is explicitly frowned upon in the categorization conventions on Categorization. Specifically:

 * An article should not be in both a category and its subcategory, e.g. Microsoft Office is in Category:Microsoft software, so should not also be in Category:Software.
 * A good general rule is that articles should be placed in the most specific categories they reasonably fit in. For example, Queen Elizabeth should not be listed directly under People, but Queens of England might be a good place for her.
 * Articles should be placed in the most specific categories possible. Categories should be more or equally as broad as the articles they contain; articles should be more or equally specific as the categories they are in.

 * There are exceptions to these, of course; I made one myself on Thomas Lord, for example, because he's not just a Middlesex cricketer but there wasn't an Epsom cricketers category to put him into. Eventually I presume there will be one, at which point I'd put him into Epsom cricketers and take him out of English cricketers. Did I miss other cricketers who didn't have appropriate English cricketer subcategories to add when I removed them from the main English cricketers category? Bryan 05:02, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * It may be useful, in a spirit of co-operation to explain the categorisation of cricketers.

 * 1. The year of birth and (if applicable) death are categorised;
 * 2. The nationality and the fact that a person is a cricketer is categorised (eg "English cricketers). Sometimes a player has had a number of different nationalities - for instance, Kepler Wessels is a South African who became Australian and then South African again.
 * 3. Players are categorised by skill and by nationality (eg "English batsmen", "English bowlers", "English all-rounders", "English wicket-keepers"). A player may be in more than one of these categories - and if he is an all-rounder he will be a batsman and a bowler too. Personally I do not like these categories and am not convinced people find them too useful as I do not understand why anyone would specifically wish to search by nationality and skill, but I have to date respected the fact they are there and used them. As far as I am concerned, this is the only redundancy in the current classification system.
 * 4. Players are categorised by major domestic teams that they have played for. This is where cricket-knowledge comes in most useful - as it can be difficult to spot what a major team is if you're unfamiliar with the history of cricket in a particular cricketing nation. For instance, I know that there should never be a category "Epsom cricketers", as Epsom is not and has never been a major team. The most difficult situations are pre-19th century cricketers (like Thomas Lord), cricketers in Pakistan (where many of the major teams are tied to different companies), and more recently South Africa and Sri Lanka, where there has been a recent consolidation of the major sides. Note that there is no redundancy with 2 - many cricketers have played domestic cricket in a number of countries - for instance, the English cricketer Ian Botham infamously played one season for the Australian side Queensland, and so is, amongst other things, categorised as a "Queensland cricketer".
 * 5. If a player has played international cricket, then this is also noted. There are two sorts of international cricket - Test cricket (with categories such as "English test cricketers") and One-Day International cricket (with categories such as "English ODI cricketers".
 * 6. If a player has captained a national side this is also noted (eg "English cricket captains").
 * 7. Certain other honours - such as whether a cricketer has been knighted, or received a Wisden Cricketer of the Year award are noted.
 * 8. Many cricketers have gone on to become commentators, broadcasters or writers - this may also be noted.

 * The categorisation is pretty comprehensive. And, except for the categorisation by skills, I think all the categorisations have intrinsic interest, particularly for cricket aficionados. Source information can be found on www.cricinfo.com and www.cricketarchive.com.

 * Note that there are many cricketers on List of cricketers who need categorising. Your assistance would be welcome - as each category expands it becomes more and more interesting, jguk 19:38, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, you're probably going to argue with me more on this, but as far as I can see from the thorough explanation you've given (thanks for that, BTW) it looks like removing those articles from category:English cricketers was the right thing to do after all. This is because those articles were already in various more-specific subcategories of English cricketers, such as for example Category:English bowlers. Every article that's in Category:English bowlers is also considered to be in Category:English cricketers, since it's a subcategory; the nationality information is automatically included that way. You were okay with me removing them from Category:Cricketers which I did for exactly the same reason; consider the analogy there and I hope you'll understand where I'm coming from on this. I'm not going to lunge straight for those articles to re-remove them again, before you panic, but I'll probably get around to it eventually - I'm pretty sure my understanding of category conventions is correct in this case.

 * A suggestion for the non-major-team cricketers. How about creating Category:Minor team cricketers for them, or some other more appropriate name? That way it'll be easy to tell which cricketers are from minor teams without categories of their own and which are just not yet fully categorized.

 * Later tonight I'll get to work on that list of cricketers. This is the sort of categorization job I'm really good at, IMO; I can probably work my way through all four hundred in the next day or two. Bryan 05:25, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Please do, but please preserve the "English cricketers", "West Indian cricketers", "Indian cricketers", etc. categories - they are very useful. The classification by skill, certainly for older cricketers, is somewhat pernicious, and I for one find searching for cricketers by skill to be confusing, jguk 07:29, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I just said that I wouldn't "preserve" those categories (meaning I presume leaving articles in them that belong fully to one or more subcategories), at least not in the long run; articles that fall into subcategories of them should in general be removed from the categories those subcategories are in. I've given my reasoning above, with citations of the relevant conventions from Categorization. It makes as much sense to remove them from "category:English cricketers" as it does to remove them from just plain "category:cricketers", in most cases. Bryan 08:10, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, in case you were keeping track, turns out I didn't have time on the second day to finish categorizing that cricketer list, and I'm going to be out of town from now to the end of the weekend. I'll have to get back to it on monday to finish up. Bryan 07:12, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Category:Books by title
Do you mind if I remove the CFD tag from here now that the situation has been resolved? --Phil | Talk 07:27, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * By all means. I had assumed it would be done automatically as part of the resolution. :) Bryan 09:15, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Claudia Beni
Err... I've never done that before, and I must not be understanding correctly how to do it, since that website doesn't appear to be listed on the blacklist, so... I've left a note on the talk page to get someone's attention. Tuf-Kat 14:46, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * It's here in this section:

\.6x\.to
 * 1) BEGIN RUSSIAN SPAM SECTION

 * All the others in this section aside from \.pillsbook\.com have .su or .ru TLDs, so if it's legit it may still be in the wrong section. Bryan 17:17, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Aah, okay. Done. Tuf-Kat 18:02, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Article categorized. :) Bryan 18:08, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Please stop sending user death threats or I will block you. --Capital of Liberty 05:41, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not aware of any death threats I've sent out, perhaps you could point one out for me? Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. Bryan 05:58, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ghost Town?
With a pop of ~1500 and few if any abandoned buildings I doubt that Tombstone, Arizona qualifies. 198.189.6.105 17:09, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC) (oops! forgot to log in Pretzelpaws 17:11, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC))

 * The only reason I put it in that category was because it was already in category:ghost towns, I was just moving things to the right geographic subcategory. Recategorize freely. :) Bryan 19:53, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wired Magazine Article
Congratulations on your inclusion in the Wired article. I wonder if there is an entry for Wikicelebrity? --Ctrl buildtalk 15px| 04:43, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I'm also in the dead tree edition, with picture no less - The Book Stops Here by Dan Pink had some profiles of Wikipedia users that was the inspiration for the ones you link to. Not meaning to brag, of course. Hope this won't go to my head. :) Bryan 04:50, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I feel strangely compelled to write the Wikicelebrity article now. I thought a few weeks off from wikipedia would have cured that compulsion. Oh well, at least I now know what I am going to do this spring break. (I am a pitiful excuse for a college student. Really.)--Ctrl buildtalk [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|15px|]] 00:43, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, this may make any Wikipedian Windows user switch. See WikityWidget lower down the page. This is my last comment. I just thought it would be something you might find convenient, finally being able to put wikilinks in your regular text documents. --Ctrl buildtalk [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|15px|]] 00:50, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bring back quickpolls
I think it's time that quickpolls be re-evaluated as a solution to short term disputes between users. What say you? -- R yan!  |  Talk  05:11, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Astrology
Thanks for the great work you're doing on Astrology and related articles! It was overdue for the kind of rebuild you're giving it. 07:41, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem. Did I miss any of those "shared section" templates? I only stumbled across them by accident Bryan 07:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28miscellaneous%29#Retrospective

Anthere 06:03, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

interference pattern
Hi Brian, back in 2001 you wrote in the interference pattern article.
 * Light beams that can produce interference patterns are called "coherent," and have all of their photons' phases aligned with each other. Lasers are an example of a coherent light source. Light beams which cannot produce interference patterns are called "incoherent." Most ordinary incandescent light sources (including the Sun) are incoherent.

Lasers are the only source of coherent light, and lasers have been available since the 1960's. Double slit experiments were conducted in the 19th century. The famous Michelson-Morley interferometry experiment, failing to detect motion of Earth with respect to local space, was performed around the turn of the century.

Coherent or incoherent doesn't matter; incoherent light can produce an interference patterns just as sharp as coherent light can. The advantage of laserlight is that it is monochromatic. Possibly early experimentors used sodium lamps to get a lightsource as monochromatic as possible. Or they spread the light of an incandescent lamp into a spectrum with the help of a diffraction grating, en then used a smal spectral band of the light. --Cleon Teunissen | Talk 09:18, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Wish I'd added an edit summary when I did that article, I can't remember it at all. :) From the way the text is written I suspect I just pasted it in from some other article, I'm not familiar with Huygen's principle for example. Go ahead and fix it up however you see fit, you sound like you're much more knowledgeable than I on the subject. Bryan 16:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I'll see what I can do to fix it. --Cleon Teunissen | Talk 19:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Court cases by year
I've thought about creating a "Law by year" structure of categories (Category:1986 in law and so on); I think ultimately this would be the best way to organize court cases by their year of decision and statutes by their year of enactment. What do you think? Do you have any objections to doing it that way rather than placing the law articles directly in the year categories? Postdlf 02:46, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I suspect there might well be enough court cases to justify that; I started categorizing the articles in one of the smaller case law subcategories and only later stumbled upon Category:U.S. Supreme Court cases. (I've only done up to the "B"s so far :) My philosophy with categorization has generally been to dump everything into root categories and then later look at what's in there to see whether the creation of subcategories are warranted, but I've no objections to doing it other ways if someone wants to set up a category scheme ahead of time. I'll lay off further categorization for the time being. Put in as many "year in law" categories as you think are warranted, bearing in mind that the density of articles per year will probably be lower farther back in time, and I'll get back to work on them then. Bryan 02:56, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Missing arachnoid
Bryan Derksen and Jfdwolff, as the first two people with self-described interests in medical articles that I noticed in the page histories of some brain-related articles I just dab'd [take a breath], I thought I might ask you to contribute to an omission I came across. In creating an article on Arachnoid (astrogeology) for the new Featured Article Venus (planet), I came across Arachnoid, which was just a redirect to Meninges, which linked to Arachnoid again. This seemed odd to me, because the other two meninges layers, dura mater and pia mater, had their own articles, however brief. Anyway, I changed Arachnoid into a disambiguation page with three meanings and dab'd the old references into Arachnoid (brain) for about a dozen articles. Could one or both of you create a short article to fill in the missing layer? Thanks. — Jeff Q (talk) 05:45, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I don't think I could do much for such an article. Perhaps instead of creating an arachnoid article, the other two should be merged in to meninges instead? I could do that, if anyone else thinks it's a good idea. :) Bryan 07:06, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * That might be a useful alternative. I must admit that I could probably have patched a stub together, the same way I did Arachnoid (astrogeology), but I was already 5-deep in nested article editing tasks when I hit this issue, so I just punted. Don't worry about it too much. If we wait long enough, someone's bound to do something with it. I only asked in case either of you two had a burning desire to create a quickie article. ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 09:06, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sailing versus Yachting
Hi Bryan, Noticed you have made several category changes by deleting category Sailing and adding Category yachting. Why?

Boatman 22:05, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * There were a couple of subcategories under sailing that were solely yachting-oriented, specifically Category:Yachts, Category:Yachting races, Category:Yachting associations (incorrectly capitalized as Category:Yachting Associations at the time) and Category:Yacht clubs. Since "Yachting" seemed to be the most reasonable name for a category to encompass all of those and it already existed anyway, I picked that one to serve as their root and moved them all under it. Since Category:Yachting is under Category:Sailing those other more-specific categories are still categorized under Category:Sailing too, just one level removed now. The guidelines at Categorization say "A good general rule is that articles should be placed in the most specific categories they reasonably fit in", and by putting yachting-related subcategories under the "Yachting" category I believe I'm following that principle. Bryan 22:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, and while we're on the subject of sailing ships and boats, I'd appreciate your input over at Categories_for_deletion. "Sailboat Names" is the wrong title for that category and I proposed moving the current contents into "Sailboats", but it appears there's some difficulty over the distinction of boat and ship that needs to be worked out. Bryan 22:52, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * And now I just noticed another one at Categories_for_deletion you might be interested in. Bryan 23:07, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Law by year template
You must've misread the characters—the template categorized by year and by century in law, so that Category:1901 in law went in Category:1901 and Category:20th century in law. The change you made removed the categorization by individual year. I'd appreciate your help in completing the application of the template to the remaining year in law categories, however. There are quite a lot left to do. Just replace the current text in each category with, i.e., Category:1901 in law would have. Postdlf 17:31, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I realized exactly what I'd done a couple of minutes after I'd gone out the door. I really need to stop checking Wikipedia in the morning before going out to work, when I haven't fully woken up yet and won't until I've reached a place with no net connection. :) Bryan 00:44, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Helium FAC
Could you take a look at Featured article candidates/Helium if you have time? :) --mav 02:50, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bryan, could you throw me an e-mail at my handle plus R-C-N dot com? You know me and I was surprised to find you here, but I'm not sure if my name in this context'll sound familiar. WCityMike 16:56, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Hey From an Old Colleague?
Bryan, could you throw me an e-mail at my handle plus R-C-N dot com? You know me and I was surprised to find you here, but I'm not sure if my name in this context'll sound familiar. WCityMike 16:58, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Nuclide Data Project
Hey I've started a project of documenting all of the isotopes (a monumental undertaking I know) and seeing as how you worked on the isotope charts a few years back I was wondering if you could lend your opinion on what I've done so far. See Hydrogen atom for a sample of the first isotope i've done. If you know anyone who would be interested in collaborating on this project let me know. oo64eva (AJ) 21:35, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I did it more because I love fiddling with HTML tables rather than because I know a lot about isotopes (it was the biggest table I've ever worked on :), but I'll give it a look with my half-forgotten introductory chemistry course brain.

 * On a related note that might prove useful for your project, I've recently been considering creating an entirely new version of the isotope and periodic table charts using Wikipedia's EasyTimeline plug-in. This should in theory allow the creation of "thumbnail" chart images that are fully linked using link maps so you'd be able to click on the teeny-tiny square representing a particular isotope and go to its page. See Help:EasyTimeline_syntax for an intro to the syntax used by this plugin and the map down near the bottom of Theben (Ägypten) for an example of the sort of layout that's poissible with it. I've been putting off starting this project because it's bound to be way complicated to pull off, but if you're interested in something like this then it may kick me off on it. :) Bryan 23:15, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Comminution and Crusher
Comminution is a recent article related to your work on Crusher. You seem to have a working knowledge of geology which would help with a reorganisation which seems necessary. Could you look at both articles and assist? Josh Parris ✉ 02:59, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll take a look, but I'm not really an expert; I was working off of existing reference books when I wrote up chunks of that stuff. Bryan 06:25, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

FAC article size talk and Origins FARC
Two things you might be interested in commenting on. There is a discussion right now over whether or not a max size range should be added to the featured article criteria. See Wikipedia talk:What is a featured article. Also, the Origins article is up for de-featuring. See Featured article removal candidates. --mav 15:52, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Heh. I don't think I'll contribute to the size debate, since aptly enough it's too long. I expect anything I'd have to say has already been said, but there's too much text for me to look for it all. :) As for the Origins article, I'm game to get back to work on finishing up that old summary article we started. Seeing that the main article has been spliced back together, I take it that the old logjam preventing any alterations to the basic layout of the page has been cleared. I'll take a look tomorrow. Bryan 06:23, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:04, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem. Hang tight on that emdash thing, I know how frustrating it can be getting into a nitpicky fight like this - I spent months arguing with Sam Spade over the capitalization of "god" in that article, myself. Just remind yourself that there's no hurry, we've got years to work out these things. Perhaps in the interim we can use just plain hyphens, like I did two sentences ago, so that everyone would agree about the wrongness of it. :) Bryan 00:16, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Devil's Lake
There is an article naming dispute over Devil's Lake. I am of the opinion that Devil's Lake should redirect to Devil's Lake (North Dakota), while another editor, DreamGuy, prefers to have Devil's Lake point to a disambiguation page. Since you have edited the article, I would appreciate your comments on this matter at Talk:Devil's Lake (North Dakota). Thank you. --Alexwcovington (talk) 05:33, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User:Walkingeagles

My main interests are protecting our environment, including endangered species and even our built heritage which records our history around us. I am a member of Amnesty International and support Greenpeace. I am active in the Anti-Cruelty Society in Chicago, one of the oldest such groups in the world, and volunteer there at least one day a week. Sometimes it is the saddest part of my week, but always the most rewarding and uplifting.

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Taman Universiti National Secondary School

Taman Universiti Universiti National Secondary School (Malay: Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti) is a national secondary school located at Jalan Pendidikan, Taman Universiti, Skudai, Johor, Malaysia.

History
The school started operation on 1 December 1994 with 1001 students and 46 teachers. Due to infrastructure problems and lack of buildings, the students attended classes at two temporary schools, Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti 2 and Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan Taman Sri Pulai, SK Taman Universiti 1, and SMK Taman Universiti 3 with 644 and 349 students respectively. The first principal was En. Ahmad bin Atil.

Although the school started in 1994, it was officially opened ten years later in June 2004 by the Minister of Education, Dato' Hishammudin Tun Hussein.

In 1998, the school was recognised as an "A" grade school with 2,837 students and 124 teachers. To reduce the number of students new schools were built, namely Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Taman Universiti 2, Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Mutiara Rini, and Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Desa Skudai. As a result, in 2017 the number of students had decreased to 2,650 pupils, which gave a better student-teacher ratio.

1999, Special Education Class (PPKI SMK Taman Universiti) was open by Pn. Zakiah with 6 students. At present, Pendidikan Khas Student are 40 students led by En Abdul Murad and Hamid.

The present principal is En. Rosman bin Bachok; 1st Senior Assistant, En. Saiful Azizi; Student Affairs Senior Assistant, Pn. Syarifah Rahimatul Hanna Syed Ali; Afternoon Session Senior Assistant, Pn. Latifah A. Ghani; and Special Education (Pendidikan Khas) Senior Assistant, En Abdul Murad bin Abd Hamid.

Principals

 * En. Ahmad Atil (1994–1996)
 * Pn. Hjh Syam Haron (1997–1998)
 * Pn. Zainab A. Jalil (1998–2001)
 * Pn. Hjh Ramlah Rahmat (2001–2009)
 * Pn. Nilam Othman (2009–2011)
 * En. Mahamud Othaman (2011–2014)
 * Pn. Hjh Zaini Binti Embong (2014–2015)
 * Pn. Hajah Halimah bt Ahmad (2016–2018)
 * En. Rosman bin Bachok (2019–2020)
 * En. Hj Mat Jelani bin Tasriff (2020–present)

Administrators

 * Principal: En Hj Mat Jelani bin Tasriff
 * Senior Assistant 1: En Suhaimi bin Hashim
 * S.A HEM: En Mahfuz bin Teh
 * S.A Cocuriculum: En Rosli bin Md Husain
 * S.A Special Education: Pn Norfazlilah binti Ghapar Shah
 * S.A Evening Coordinator: Mdm Lim Hui Kian


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User talk:Walkingeagles

Welcome
Hello , and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! BrokenSegue 04:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Islamofascism

 * User:Klonimus/Islamofascism

Howdy Walkingeagles,

I like your edits to Islamofascism. Please be aware that there are several leftists/Islamists/Useful Idiots who are constantly trying to worsify the article on Islamofascism. Most of these people have also voted to delete the article on its VfD page, making a questions about these people's commitment to the existance of a good article questionable. I hope you don't get discouraged by their immature actions, because it is somewhat sad that people can so commited to defending the indefensable.

I've moved a previous good version to User:Klonimus/Islamofascism . I invite all people commited to creating an NPOV and encyclopaedic article to asist. The Current VfD on Islamofascism, could go between Keep or merge/Redirect, with merge being the most likely outcome. Ideally assuming that is not a protect redirect. It is hoped that a worthy article can be developed in an enviroment favorable to organic growth.

Klonimus 04:34, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC).

 * Yes the stuff you are seeing is part of a campagn to worsify the article. I'm very sorry that you had to step into a really nasty edit war in your first days working on the project. Please dont let this give you a bad impression. Islam and Fascism makes some people very uncomfortable. The Mufti especially so, since is he a real islamic fascist. Klonimus 05:58, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Islamic fascism
You wrote on my Talk page: ''Hi Firebug, am new here and want to write this article while I'm still thinking about it. Did you see the story on CNN about Aryan Nation and al Qaeda, quite interesting. Am just putting together some research on it all and will be finished soon. Thanks. Walkingeagles 05:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)''
 * I understand your concerns regarding this issue, but the article that you have written so far has some concerns with regard to neutrality. It also duplicates the subject of an existing article, Islamofascism. You might want to discuss your material on the Talk page for that article. Also, keep in mind that Wikipedia has a policy stating that original research should not be used on Wikipedia. Please take this into consideration, but don't let it scare you off. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask me. Welcome to Wikipedia! Firebug 05:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Will make sure it has no overlap with Islamofascism. I understand the concerns some have about that because it is either a new word or not a word at all! But presumably with Islamic fascism we can cover the subject matter without worrying about whether the term exists. And yes, I will gather research and make sure a good mix of sources, I assume referring to secondary sources online doesn't mean original research, it's not like I'll be interviewing Osama bin Laden or something like that. I doubt he his taking calls anyway LOL. Walkingeagles 05:43, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi sorry for being back again so quickly but is the reason why the material I wrote about Aryan Nation that people didn't believe it or it wasn't written correctly or what? I'm a bit surprised. Walkingeagles 06:02, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Your understanding of the sources policy is correct. It's OK to cite from books and articles. Indeed, using cites is encouraged. What is discouraged is the insertion of original theories and hypotheses. Please read the official policy for additional details. As for the deletion notice, it was posted because the nominator (Yuber) felt that it violated the Neutral Point of View policy. You have a right to discuss the issue at the relevant voting page if you feel that the article should be retained. It sometimes takes a while to get a feel for what material belongs on Wikipedia and what doesn't. Feel free to ask questions of experienced editors if you have any concerns. Firebug 06:08, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I should add that you said "Hi sorry for being back again so quickly"! ...nonono, this is YOUR talk page, feel free to do with it as you please! We are all here to help each other, and if you want to question someone's posting on your or someone else's Talk page please do feel free to do so! They might not write back or might not even read it, but at least it's there for the duration for them or others to address if they see fit. So feel free to use your pages! I'll say it again, they are truly yours! Please enjoy your stay with us--although I'd have to say your initial experience has probably seemed less than encouraging! Master Thief Garrett 08:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The image that you up-loaded (Image:Islamic fascism100.gif ) has two problems: first, it has no copyright information — could you add the relevant template please? secondly, its title bears no obvious relation to the image, and could be seen as inherently PoV. The image Image:Mufti.jpg similarly has no copyright information. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:39, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The title seems appropriate to me, as it is being used in the Islamic fascism article, although I don't care what the title is I must say. The image is owned by the person who created it, so it is copyrighted but fair use is appropriate. And the Mufti one is an older than copyright applies. OK? Walkingeagles 16:16, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The fact that the image is being used in that article is itself extremely debatable (see its Talk page). As for the Mufti, you might think that the image is too old to be copyrighted, but that isn't necessarily the case, and in any case you still need to place the relevant template. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:39, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If it's older than 50 years I'm quite sure it isn't subject to copyright. If that has a specific identifier though I couldn't find it, perhaps you could put it on there if you know it or point me to where I could find it. I have responded to you on the Nick Berg one on the Islamic fascism talk page. Thanks. Walkingeagles 16:49, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image
Hi again. Just wanted to tell you that you ought to tag Image:Mufti.jpg or else it might be deleted. BrokenSegue 23:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

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Yapen

Yapen (also Japan, Jobi) is an island of Papua, Indonesia. The Yapen Strait separates Yapen and the Biak Islands to the north. It is in Cenderawasih Bay off the north-western coast of the island of New Guinea. To the west is Mios Num Island across the Mios Num Strait, and to the east Kurudu Island. Off the southeast coast of Yapen are the Amboi Islands and to the southwest are the Kuran Islands. Together these islands form the Yapen Islands Regency within the province of Papua. It is populated with communities of Yobi, Randowaya, Serui, and Ansus. Its highest point is 1,496 m.

First recorded sighting by Europeans is by Spanish navigator Álvaro de Saavedra who landed on 24 June 1528 when trying to return from Tidore to New Spain. It was then charted as Paine within the Islas de Oro (Golden Islands in Spanish), as they called Yapen and the present day Schoutens. In 1545 it was visited by Íñigo Órtiz de Retes on board of galleon San Juan.

The earthquake of 1979 caused serious damage and killed at least 115 people on the island.

Ecology
The island has been designated the Yapen rain forests ecoregion by the World Wildlife Federation for its unique bird life and flora. Two protected areas cover a third of the island, whose population is growing with subsequent clearance of forest for planting and firewood.

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Vigorón

Vigorón is a traditional Nicaraguan dish. It consists of a cabbage salad (chopped cabbage, tomatoes, onions, and chili pepper marinated in vinegar and salt), boiled yuca, and chicharrones (fried pork belly or fried pork rinds), all wrapped in a banana leaf. This dish is often eaten without utensils, and it is frequently served to visiting family and guests, as it is generally easily and quickly prepared.

Dr. Alejandro Barberena Pérez, in his 1971 book "Granada," stated that María Luisa Cisneros Lacayo, "La Loca," developed the recipe in 1914 in Granada, Nicaragua, and she named the dish Vigoron after seeing a poster advertising an early 20th-century medicinal tonic by that name (USPTO Serial 71068023).

Many familial and cultural variants have arisen, especially in the variations of curtido. In addition, variants of vigorón exist in other surrounding countries, notably Costa Rica, where the dish is quite popular.

Vaho, a dish very similar to vigorón, is also a traditional Nicaraguan dish. However, a distinction is made in the manner of cooking: vaho is pressure-cooked (typically brisket), vigorón is not. Vaho also has green and ripe plantains, whereas Vigorón does not.

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Henry Hitchcock

Henry Hitchcock (September 11, 1792 – August 11, 1839) was the first attorney general of Alabama, having been elected by the Alabama General Assembly in December 1819 in its initial session. He was also the Secretary of the Alabama Territory, the position which was the precursor to the modern-day Secretary of State of Alabama.

Early years
Henry Hitchcock was born in Burlington, Vermont, in 1792. He was the grandson of General Ethan Allen, leader of the Green Mountain Boys and hero of Ticonderoga, and the son of Judge Samuel Hitchcock. Major General Ethan Allen Hitchcock was his brother. Henry Hitchcock's son, Ethan Hitchcock, served as United States Secretary of the Interior under William McKinley. Another son, Henry Hitchcock, was a prominent attorney in St. Louis, Missouri.

Henry Hitchcock attended Middlebury College for a while and then graduated from the University of Vermont in 1811. While studying law, he cultivated a small farm in order to provide for the needs of his family. He became a member of the bar in 1815 and handled several important lawsuits before leaving Burlington for the lure of what was then called the Southwest. He traveled by flat boat down the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, eventually arriving in Mobile on January 22, 1816, after a brief stay in Natchez.

Political career
On May 14, 1818, six months after the creation of the Alabama Territory, Hitchcock was appointed its first secretary by Governor William Wyatt Bibb. He also participated in the writing of Alabama's first constitution, representing Washington County in the constitutional convention in Huntsville on July 5, 1819. Hitchcock was elected as the State's first Attorney General by the General Assembly in December 1819. In 1821, he married Ann Erwin (1803-1854). Two sons were Henry Hitchcock (1829-1902), a prominent attorney in St. Louis, Missouri, and Ethan Hitcocock (1835-1909), served as United States Secretary of the Interior under William McKinley. Hitchcock then had the distinction of producing the first book printed in the State of Alabama entitled, The Alabama Justice of the Peace, Containing All the Duties, Powers and Authorities of That Office, which was published in Cahawaba, Alabama, in 1822. In 1826, Hitchcock was appointed United States District Attorney for the Mobile region. On January 9. 1835, Hitchcock was elected to fill a vacancy on the Alabama Supreme Court. He became Chief Justice in June 1836. Hitchcock was also a very astute businessman, reputedly the wealthiest man in Alabama before feeling the effects of the Panic of 1837. On August 11, 1839, Hitchcock succumbed to yellow fever during one of the worst epidemics of that disease in Mobile's history.

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Mortal Kombat Gold

Mortal Kombat Gold is a 1999 fighting game in the Mortal Kombat series that was published by Midway Home Entertainment. It was developed by Eurocom and released exclusively on the Dreamcast as a launch title. It is an updated version of 1997's Mortal Kombat 4 and was the first game to appear on a sixth-generation platform as well as the only Mortal Kombat game to be released for the Dreamcast console. Critical reaction was mostly average due to the graphics being inferior to the arcade version, the weapons deemed boring or useless, and game-breaking bugs and glitches.

Gameplay
Mortal Kombat Gold's gameplay is largely based on that of Mortal Kombat 4 and includes several additional characters and stages not seen in Mortal Kombat 4, as well as a new weapon selection mechanism. New stages include Church, Ladder, Netherrealm and Soul Chamber.

Characters
Mortal Kombat Gold features the same character roster as Mortal Kombat 4, which includes Liu Kang, Jax Briggs, Sonya Blade, Johnny Cage, Sub-Zero, Reiko, Jarek, Raiden, Tanya, Scorpion, Kai, Reptile, Fujin, Shinnok, Quan Chi, sub-boss Goro, and the secret characters Noob Saibot and Meat. In addition, Gold also features six additional characters, Kitana, Mileena, Cyrax, Kung Lao, Baraka and a secret character Sektor, who were not featured in any version of Mortal Kombat 4 but had been featured in previous installments of the franchise.

Although the game's storyline is identical to that of Mortal Kombat 4, the official strategy guide for the game misprinted unused bios for the six new returning characters, causing some confusion among fans.

An additional character named Belokk was planned for the game, but was omitted from the finished version due to time constraints. However, Eurocom accidentally sent information about the character to Game Informer, and as a result, six screenshots of him were released to the public, sparking rumors about him being actually accessible somehow.

Development
The game was showcased at E3 1999.

Release
About a month after the initial launch, a revised version of the game was released, which intended to address some of its most severe issues. This version fixed the most severe bugs and glitches in the game and added VMU memory card support, which allowed the save feature to function properly. This version was released on a red tinted disc, as opposed to the original's gold tint, and was easily identified by a green "Hot! New!" logo on the instruction manual's cover.

Reception
Mortal Kombat Gold received an averaged review score of only 55% at GameRankings. Despite having the graphics that were the most faithful to the arcade version of all the home versions of Mortal Kombat 4, Game Revolution rated it a D and commented that "the graphics are inexcusably horrible" and "it's quite a depressing let-down on Sega's 128-bit masterpiece, especially when compared to Soulcalibur." The weapons that characters can use during the game were called "dull and uninteresting", often having little relation to the characters, and being "either a sword, axe, or club". IGN was less negative toward the game, awarding it a 6.3 out of 10, but was particularly critical regarding the weapon system: "Readying your weapon is a slow process in which one can be hit any number of times during the attempt". Although IGN commented on the improvements from previous Mortal Kombat games, the lack of depth was considered inexcusable. Jeff Gerstmann of GameSpot, who gave the game a score of 5.0/10, wrote that "sitting down and playing MK Gold almost feels like a retrogaming experience - you really feel as though you've pulled out some old game that you haven't played in years - and it hasn't aged gracefully." According to a retrospective by IGN, "the same publications that had once praised it on Nintendo 64 were happy to thrash it as a shallow and campy relic of a past age. Releasing beside Soulcalibur certainly didn't help."

Jeff Lundrigan reviewed the Dreamcast version of the game for Next Generation, rating it two stars out of five, and stated that "Mortal Kombat Gold goes a long way towards confirming that this series peaked with MK2, and it's been in steady decline ever since."

Conversely, Brazilian magazine SuperGamePower gave the game 4.5 out 5, regarding the graphics as superior to anything came up by Ed Boon and John Tobias on console or arcade. The magazine also recommends the game to fight fans, particularly those who favor the Mortal Kombat series.

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Green Mansions

Green Mansions: A Romance of the Tropical Forest (1904) is an exotic romance by William Henry Hudson about a traveller to the Guyana jungle of southeastern Venezuela and his encounter with a forest-dwelling girl named Rima.

The principal characters are Abel, Rima, Nuflo, Cla-Cla and Kua-kó.

Plot summary
Prologue: An unnamed narrator tells how he befriended an old "Hispano-American" gentleman who never spoke of his past. His interest piqued, the narrator finally elicits the story.

Venezuela, c. 1875. Abel, a young man of wealth, fails at a revolution and flees Caracas into the uncharted forests of Guayana. Surviving fever, failing at journal-keeping and gold hunting, he settles in an Indian village to waste away his life: playing guitar for old Cla-Cla, hunting badly with Kua-kó, telling stories to the children. After some exploring, Abel discovers an enchanting forest where he hears a strange bird-like singing. His Indian friends avoid the forest because of its evil spirit-protector, "the Daughter of the Didi." Persisting in the search, Abel finally finds Rima the Bird Girl. She has dark hair, a smock of spider webs, and can communicate with birds in an unknown tongue. When she shields a coral snake, Abel is bitten and falls unconscious.

Abel awakens in the hut of Nuflo, an old man who protects his "granddaughter" Rima, and won't reveal her origin. As Abel recovers, Rima leads him through the forest, and Abel wonders about her identity and place of origin. Abel returns to the Indians, but relations become icy, because they would kill Rima, if they could. Rima often speaks of her dead mother, who was always depressed. Abel falls in love with Rima, but she (17 and a stranger to white men) is confused by "odd feelings". This relationship is further strained because Abel cannot speak her unknown language.

Atop Ytaiao Mountain, Rima questions Abel about "the world" known and unknown, asking him if she was unique and alone. Abel sadly reveals that it is true. However, when he mentions the storied mountains of Riolama, Rima perks up. It turns out that "Riolama" is her real name. Nuflo must know where Riolama is, so a wrathful Rima demands that Nuflo guide her to Riolama under threats of eternal damnation from her sainted mother. Old, guilty and religious, Nuflo caves in to the pressure. Abel pays a last visit to the Indians, but they capture him as a prisoner, suspecting that he is a spy for an enemy tribe or consorts with demons. Abel manages to escape and return to Rima and Nuflo. The three then trek to distant Riolama. Along the way, Nuflo reveals his past, and Rima's origin.

Seventeen years ago, Nuflo led bandits who preyed on Christians and Indians. Eventually, forced to flee to the mountains, they found a cave to live in. Hiding in the cave was a strange woman speaking a bird-like language. She was to be Rima's mother (never named). Nuflo assumed the woman was a saint sent to save his soul. Nuflo left the bandits and carried Rima's mother, now crippled for life, to Voa, a Christian community, to deliver Rima. Rima and her mother talked in their magical language for seven years, until Mother wasted away in the dampness and died. As contrition, Nuflo brought Rima to the drier mountains. The local Indians found her queer, and resented how she chased off game animals, and therefore tried to kill her. A mis-shot dart killed an Indian, and they fled Rima's "magic".

In the cave, Rima is eager to enter Riolama valley. Abel reveals sad news: her mother left because nothing remained. She belonged to a gentle, vegetarian people without weapons, who were wiped out by Indians, plague and other causes. Rima is indeed unique and alone. Rima is saddened but suspected it: her mother was always depressed. Now she decides to return to the forest and prepare a life for herself and Abel. She flits away, leaving Abel to fret as he and Nuflo walk home, delayed by rain and hunger. They return to find the forest silent, Nuflo's hut burned down, and Indians hunting game. Abel, exhausted, is again taken prisoner, but isn't killed, as he quickly makes a vow to go to war against the enemy tribe. On the war trail, he drops hints about Rima and her whereabouts. Kua-Ko explains how, thanks to Abel's "bravery", the Indians dared enter the forbidden forest. They caught Rima in the open, chased her up the giant tree. They heaped brush underneath it and burned Rima.

Abel kills Kua-kó and runs to the enemy tribe, sounding the alarm. Days later he returns. All his Indian friends are dead. He finds the giant tree burned, and collects Rima's ashes in a pot. Trekking homeward, despondent and hallucinating, Abel is helped by Indians and Christians until he reaches the sea, sane and healthy again. Now an old man, his only ambition is to be buried with Rima's ashes. Reflecting back, he believes neither God nor man can forgive his sins, but that gentle Rima would, provided he has forgiven himself.

Background
Hudson based Rima and her lost tribe on persistent rumours about a tribe of white people who lived in the mountains. Temple paintings often showed light-skinned people, and Spanish Conquistadors were at first thought to be gods. Green Mansions also features some cryptozoological concepts such as Curupita (Curupira) and Didi purportedly representing giant apes unknown by science.

Many authors of the time also recounted "lost worlds" and "lost tribes", the most successful being H. Rider Haggard, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert E. Howard and Arthur Conan Doyle. Hudson's book has endured as literature because of its evocative and lyrical prose, and his naturalist's keen vision of the jungle.

Rima also exemplifies the "natural man", a philosophical notion put forth by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and others, that someone raised away from corrupting civilisation would be naturally pure of heart and attuned to their environment. Tarzan, raised by apes, and Mowgli, raised by wolves, are Rima's literary cousins.

In the Classics Illustrated comic book adaptation, the editor says, "We also feel that Hudson wants to tell us in this story that, long before this present meat-eating and destructive race took over all the world, there was a race of beings on the earth – beautiful, innocent, and bird-like, who lived in peace with nature and themselves, and of whom Rima and her mother were the last".

The plot of the book resembles that in Hudson's 1887 novel A Crystal Age.

Book publication
The book was originally published in 1904. A new edition of this book published in the United States in 1912 with a foreword by John Galsworthy. It was one of the first books published by Alfred A. Knopf and their first bestseller. The book went through nine printings by 1919 and had sold over 20,000 copies. This also created interest in Hudson's other titles.

Film, TV, theatrical and comic book adaptations
In 1937, Louis Gruenberg (1884–1964) composed a radio opera Green Mansions, which used a musical saw in the score.

In 1951, The Gilberton Co. released a comic book adaptation of Green Mansions as issue number 90 in their Classics Illustrated series. Direct quotes from the novel were used. In this adaptation Rima is blonde. The art was by Alex Blum, who drew many other issues of the Classics Illustrated series.

In 1959, the book was adapted into a movie, also entitled Green Mansions, starring Audrey Hepburn as Rima, with Anthony Perkins as Abel. The film, which was directed by Hepburn's husband, Mel Ferrer, was a critical and box office failure.

In the early 1970s, one of the more unusual adaptations of Green Mansions occurred when DC Comics launched the comic book Rima the Jungle Girl, featuring the title character recast as a Sheena-like action hero. This version of the character later appeared on the animated TV series Super Friends.

Rima the Jungle Girl returned to the DC Universe in a new pulp-era comic debuting in 2010 entitled First Wave. Rima was portrayed as a South American native with piercings and tattoos, who didn't speak, but communicated in bird-like whistles. Plying a big knife and a panther, she helped Doc Savage's assistant Johnny Littlejohn, then disappeared back into the forest.

In her 1973 story The Girl Who Was Plugged In, James Tiptree Jr.'s character Paul Isham III finds inspiration from the novel to abduct and rescue a beautiful but ill-fated young girl named Delphi—unbeknownst to him, an advertising puppet operated by a deformed pilot—whom Isham identifies with Rima.

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Pio Quinto

Pio Quinto is a Nicaraguan dessert consisting of cake drenched in rum, topped with a custard, and dusted with cinnamon. Some recipes also include rum soaked prunes or raisins. Pio Quinto is eaten after meals or during Christmas time. The cake is believed to have been named after Pope Pius V, but the connection is unknown.

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User talk:Nestea~enwiki

I thought it was funny that you casted your vote to delete as IDDELETE! Despite that, I would rather keep the DOOM cheats article since it has encyclopedic information. --SuperDude 04:42, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asarim

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 03:37, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Asarim
Asarim + Vallejo gets zero Google hits. Not listed on amazon. RickK 04:45, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, obviously... Master Thief Garrett 04:49, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, not notable. Megan1967 05:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable. Undelete when millionth copy sold :) - TigerShark 14:20, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable Dsmdgold 18:23, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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Natasha Fatale

Natasha Fatale is an antagonist of the 1959-1964 animated cartoons Rocky and His Friends and The Bullwinkle Show, collectively referred to as The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. She was voiced by June Foray (impersonating Zsa Zsa Gabor) who also voiced Rocky.

Role in the series
Natasha is a spy for the fictional country of Pottsylvania, and takes orders from Fearless Leader. Natasha usually serves as an accomplice to fellow spy Boris Badenov. Like Boris, she is also a master of disguise.

Fictional biography
According to the Rialto Theater's Moosebill for "Downhill: The Musical" (a special table of contents insert created for the DVD box set Rocky and Bullwinkle & Friends, The Third Season), Natasha is supposedly the only child of Axis Sally and Count Dracula. A former Miss Transylvania, she was expelled from college for subversive activities at a local cemetery. She traveled from Transylvania to the United States at the age of 19, landing in New York, where she spent two years posing for cartoonist Charles Addams, and as the party girl who pops out of the big cake at embalmers' stag parties. (Much as Boris was loosely based on Gomez Addams, Natasha's appearance was based on that of Morticia Addams, who had not yet been named at the time Rocky and His Friends was airing.)

She met Boris when they were arrested for throwing rocks at Girl Scouts. He became smitten with her charms and they became partners in crime. Usually, Natasha's and Boris's misdeeds are thwarted by Rocky the Flying Squirrel and Bullwinkle the Moose. She refers to them collectively as "moose and squirrel". She is almost always shown in a purple dress, but in the last season it is often red.

Status as a femme fatale
Natasha's last name is a pun on the phrase femme fatale, with emphasis on the "fatal" part; in keeping with that, Natasha was drawn as a shapely, attractive looking woman. However, in nearly all episodes, the character is identified only as Natasha, with no surname. She is apocryphally known as "Natasha Nogoodnik". However, she is identified in the series premiere by her proper name by the show's narrator, making "Fatale" her canonical and correct surname. However, either or both may be a nom de guerre.

Appearances in live-action films
In the 1992, Showtimes Network film Boris and Natasha: The Movie, the live-action Natasha was portrayed by Sally Kellerman. In the 2000 theatrical film The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle, the live-action Natasha was portrayed by Rene Russo. In the 2014, 3D DreamWorks Animation short film Rocky & Bullwinkle, Lauri Fraser provided the voice for Natasha. Natasha's original voice actor, June Foray, reprised her role as Rocky but not as Natasha. In the 2018 Amazon Video series The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle, she is voiced by Rachel Butera.

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Squigglevision

Squigglevision is a method of computer animation in which the outlines of shapes are made to wiggle and undulate, emulating the effect of sketchily hand-drawn animation. Tom Snyder of Tom Snyder Productions invented the technique, which his animation studio Soup2Nuts subsequently used in Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist in 1995, and in Dick and Paula Celebrity Special, Home Movies, O'Grady, and Science Court.

Compared with traditional animation, Squigglevision is relatively fast and easy to produce. The non-stop motion of the "squiggling" outlines reduces the need for more complex animations in order to make a scene feel dynamic. Tom Snyder describes the result as "economy of motion". "There are almost no disadvantages," Snyder asserted. "It costs just as much to do a helicopter scene as it does to do a living room scene."

In order to create the line oscillation effects that characterize Squigglevision, Tom Snyder Productions' animators loop five slightly different drawings in a sequence called a flic in a software called Autodesk Animator which ran on DOS. The animators then operate software from Avid Technology to merge the flics into the scene, and synchronize them with the soundtrack.

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User talk:Victoria Primus

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Talk:Nuclear power

newer reactor designs
To the keepers of this article, there seems to be a pretty interesting overview of the latest reactor designs at Nuclear power reconsidered. Some of that information might be useful in the Research section of this article. They've gone more deeply into it.Harborsparrow (talk) 22:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Nuclear zero-emission?
In the introduction, the article says that the USA produce "800 TWh of zero-emissions electricity per year". It is obvioulsy not zero-emission: green house gases are emitted in the process of building the plant, extracting and transporting the fuel and decomissionning the plant. 82.147.145.235 (talk) 05:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --TuomoS (talk) 06:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2023
Under the section titled 'Safety' in the third paragraph 'With a death rate of 0.07 per TWh' should be changed to 'With a death rate of 0.03 per TWh'. The source is citation 199 in the nuclear power page, which is this article. This is the source cited for the original statistic, but I believe it was copied incorrectly. ThePiMaven (talk) 19:57, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

 * Fixed. It was not copied incorrectly, but the source has been updated in 2022, based on more recent analysis and estimates. --TuomoS (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Intro
Intro is too long. Info on end-of-life-fuel-cycle is unnecessary as is repeated in the fuel cycle section; to focus on such suggests bias. But what a weird bias hey. Like Coprophobia. Stick the waste back down to mines from whence it came. Focus on the benefits. 118.149.93.125 (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2024
62.253.28.177 (talk) 10:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Yes 62.253.28.177 (talk) 10:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you add more pictures for learning
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  (talk | contribs) 14:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Units for Nuclear power generation graph
The vertical axis is labelled in TWh which is a unit of energy not power. I guess the graph is of TWh/year which is a (weird) unit for power. 2,500 TWh/year is 290GW BTW. Does this bother anyone else? PeterGrecian (talk) 08:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see what's the problem. That's the energy generated each year (not the installed capacity). This is the standard way and units for displaying this information. The convention in energy engineering and energy science is to use kW and multiples for installed capacity and kWh and multiples (including TWh) for energy generated. --Ita140188 (talk) 12:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ita is correct. Read other power plant articles and about things like nameplate capacity and you'll see these are the standard units used. --- Avatar317 (talk) 23:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, my name is Beryllium. You quashed my edit. Prepare for pie.

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Redstone Old Fort

Redstone Old Fort — or Redstone Fort

or (for a short time when built) Fort Burd — on the Nemacolin Trail, was the name of the French and Indian War-era wooden fort built in 1759 by Pennsylvania militia colonel James Burd to guard the ancient Indian trail's river ford on a mound overlooking the eastern shore of the Monongahela River (colloquially, just "the Mon") in what is now Fayette County, Pennsylvania, near, or (more likely) on the banks of Dunlap's Creek at the confluence. The site is unlikely to be the same as an earlier fort the French document as Hangard dated to 1754 and which was confusedly, likely located on the nearby stream called Redstone Creek. Red sandstones predominate the deposited rock column of the entire region.

Early trail improvements
Geopolitically, Redstone was a frequent point of embarkation to cross the Monongahela River for travelers who had crossed the Alleghenies or were heading west via the Monongahela and Ohio Rivers by boat. Its strategic importance had long been recognized and used by the Indians, and it was a target terminus of Braddock's Road during the French and Indian War. Redstone Old Fort was the terminus of an Indian trail which settlers improved around the 1750. They afterward called it Nemacolin's Trail, named after the Indian chief who assisted the improvement through the mountain pass. From this area, travelers could travel by water downstream on the Monongahela river to what is now Pittsburgh, or overland, by trails that later became Brownsville Road to the same destination.

The fortress site was chosen to guard and command the crossing point of the formidable east–west obstacle of the Monongahela River along the route of an Indian trail from the Potomac River—along one of the few mountain passes allowing traffic between the Ohio Country and the eastern seaboard cities. During 1749 and 1750, the Delaware Indian chief Nemacolin and Maryland frontiersman Thomas Cresap supervised improving the trail from the east to Redstone Creek, but Chief Nemacolin was a continuing presence in the war against the Mingo and Shawnee, and anecdotes place him at Nemacolin Castle waiting for Colonel Burd.

French and Indian War
Col. James Burd ordered construction of the fort in 1759 on an earthwork mound left behind by prehistoric Indians, known as the Mound Builders. The American colonists called these mounds "old forts", and this one had large red sandstone blocks that had been placed at the top, suggesting the site had been a fortress of some kind. It was also, after the area was settled, the site of the local settlement of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and the place they called "Redstone Meeting". Around this time (1750s–1760s) a far sighted businessman-farmer, anticipating that any settlements west of the Alleghenies had to funnel down Nemacolin's Trail to the river crossing acted to acquire ownership of the lands, which ultimately gave the area its later historic and current name: Brownsville, Pennsylvania. Brown himself did not move to the lands but acted as landlord and real estate magnate, selling much of the land piecemeal, and large plots to Jacob Bowman, who became a prime mover in the tremendous industrial development of the town.

Lord Dunmore's War
Redstone Old Fort proved significant in the Colony of Virginia's war against the Mingo and Shawnee tribes, known as Lord Dunmore's War (1774–75). It was occupied by Capt. Michael Cresap, owner of a trading post, to prevent the local Shawnee from controlling it. Under authority of the colonial government of Virginia, Cresap had taken up extensive tracts of land at and below the mouth of Middle Island Creek (now Sistersville, West Virginia). He had gone there in the early spring of 1774 with a party of men to settle his holdings.

Ebenezer Zane, afterward a famed Indian fighter and guide, was engaged at the same time and in the same way with a small party of men on lands which he had taken up at or near the mouth of Sandy Creek. A group under the command of James Harrod left the fort 25 May 1774 going down river to settle lands in Kentucky, but returned to the fort due to the threat from the Shawnee. A third and larger group that included George Rogers Clark, had gathered at the mouth of the Little Kanawha River (the present site of Parkersburg, West Virginia). They were waiting there for the arrival of other Virginians who were expected to join them at that point before moving downriver to settle lands in Kentucky.

After the American Revolution
In 1789, historic Nemacolin Castle, trading post, and tavern was built up on the bluff about 0.75 miles to the east along Burd's Road (the western stretch of The Nemacolin Trail through Brownsville and across Washington County to Wheeling, West Virginia, eastwards to the junction with Braddock's Road in Uniontown by Bowman near Redstone Old Fort and this crossing, at what became a major link in the first National Road at what is today the towns of West Brownsville and Brownsville. The early settlement around the fort also came to be called Redstone, but eventually became known as Brownsville, Pennsylvania, after its farsighted developer Thomas Brown. The use of "Redstone" devolved to apply to just one of its neighborhoods.

Redstone Old Fort is mentioned in C. M. Ewing's The Causes of That So Called Whiskey Insurrection of 1794 (1930) as being the site of a July 27, 1791, meeting in "Opposition to the Whiskey Excise Tax," during the Whiskey Rebellion. It was the first illegal meeting of that insurrection.

In 1803 Meriwether Lewis mentioned Redstone Old Fort in a letter to President Thomas Jefferson, in which he detailed his route from Harper's Ferry to Pittsburgh.

William Trent established the Hangard in January–February 1754 before moving on to join the construction crew working to build a fort on the Forks of the Ohio

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Treaty of Canandaigua

The Treaty of Canandaigua (or Konondaigua, as spelled in the treaty itself), also known as the Pickering Treaty and the Calico Treaty, is a treaty signed after the American Revolutionary War between the Grand Council of the Six Nations and President George Washington representing the United States of America.

It was signed at Canandaigua, New York on November 11, 1794, by fifty sachems (hoya:ne:h) and war chiefs representing the Grand Council of the Six Nations of the Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) Confederacy (including the Cayuga, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca and Tuscarora tribes), and by Timothy Pickering, official agent of President George Washington.

Background of the treaty
The Treaty of Canandaigua arose out of a combination of geo-political tensions. In the aftermath of its defeat in the American Revolutionary War, Great Britain was forced to relinquish its land east of the Mississippi River to the United States. However, Great Britain’s original rights to this territory were unclear, causing resentment among the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, to whom the land originally belonged. Moreover, some indigenous peoples on the western frontier of the United States remained loyal to the British after the American Revolutionary War and were hostile towards the United States. The United States faced resentment from the Haudenosaunee Confederacy over their acceptance of land in the Ohio Valley from Great Britain and faced the threat of another war on its western frontier.

In order to avoid war, the United States government sought to define a solid boundary on its western frontier. It also recognized that peace with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy was critical at this point in case another war did break out.

The United States attempted to make peace with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy with a series of conferences and treaties: the treaties of Fort Stanwix and Fort Harmar. However, both treaties were considered failures by the United States government because they resulted in increased tension with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.

United States Secretary of War Henry Knox began a military operation on the western frontier in September 1790 and appointed Indian commissioner Timothy Pickering to address the Haudenosaunee Confederacy’s grievances with the United States government. Pickering decided to follow a “strategy of conciliation and compromise”, beginning with a conference with the Seneca Nation to offer gifts and peace after the failed treaties of Fort Harmar and Fort Stanwix. A series of conferences followed, in which Pickering opened dialogue between the Haudenosaunee Confederacy and the United States regarding what was to become of the land that Great Britain had lost. In October 1791. Knox’s military efforts of the western frontier were failing, and he suggested enlisting the Haudenosaunee Confederacy to fight on behalf of the United States. The Haudenosaunee Confederacy, along with Pickering, were unimpressed by Knox’s request, and declined to participate in the war. In 1793, the military operation on the western frontier broke out into war, escalating the situation in the Ohio Valley.

In June of 1794, the Haudenosaunee Confederacy proposed a conference at Buffalo Creek, in which the Haudenosaunee Confederacy rejected the Fort Harmar and Fort Stanwix treaties, resulting in the United States ceding land to the Seneca Nation. Afraid that the Haudenosaunee Confederacy would join the opposition at the western frontier, the United States held the first conference for the Treaty of Canandaigua in September 1794.

The official conference for the Treaty of Canandaigua began on October 18, 1794, with more than 1,500 members of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy present. Deliberations were tense at first because of discrepancies of culture beliefs on treaties. According to scholar Granville Ganter, “unlike their Anglo counterparts, the Haudenosaunee saw treaty agreements as requiring constant renewal and upkeep. The term they used was ‘brightening the chain of friendship’”. Seneca leader Red Jacket played an integral role in helping Pickering overcome some of these ideological differences throughout the deliberations. He “reminded Pickering that making peace requires declarations that mean one thing – peace – and mixing in language of blame or criticism simply fouls the process”.

Another ideological difference between the United States and the Haudenosaunee Confederacy during deliberations was the role of women. No United States settler women were included in the dialogue; however, Haudenosaunee women, in keeping with their significant role in tribal governance, were included. Historian Joan M. Jensen states that Seneca women “spoke during the negotiations of the Treaty of 1794 with the United States government”.

The conference ended on November 11, 1794, when fifty-nine war chiefs and sachems signed the treaty, and the text of the Canandaigua treaty, which comprised seven articles, was submitted to the U.S. Senate on January 2, 1795, carrying the title: "The Six Nations, and Oneida, Tuscarora, and Stockbridge Tribes'”.

Terms of the treaty
The treaty established peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Six Nations, and affirmed Haudenosaunee land rights in the state of New York, and the boundaries established by the Phelps and Gorham Purchase of 1788.

Article One of the treaty promises “perpetual peace and friendship” between America and the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. Article Two acknowledges lands belonging to the Oneida, Onondoga, and Cayuga, and gives them the legal right to sell the land if they so wish and Article Three legally defines the perimeter of Seneca territories. Article Four maintains that America must not “claim or disturb” any lands belonging to the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. Article Five legally acknowledges that the road from “Fort Schlosser to Lake Erie, as far south as Buffalo Creek” belongs to the Seneca Nation. Article Six promises $4500 each year to the Haudenosaunee Confederacy from America. Article Seven states that if the “perpetual peace and friendship” between the Haudenosaunee Confederacy and America were to be disturbed in any way, that the conflict would be resolved peacefully by a third party.

Current status
Article 6 continues to be honored by the contracting parties. Article 6 of the treaty provides that the U.S. government annually provide goods valued at $4,500. To date, Haudenosaunee leaders have insisted that the payment be made with bolts of cloth, rather than cash, as a means of adhering to the terms of the largely dishonored treaty.

Article 2, which ensured the land rights of the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga nations would be protected by the U.S. government against state interference, was dishonored by the U.S. government. By the early 19th century, federal Indian agents were "deeply involved" in furthering a federal policy of depriving the Oneida people of their Article 2 rights to the quiet enjoyment of their treaty lands by both failing to prevent the state of New York from purchasing the treaty lands and actively "encouraging the removal of the Oneidas... to the west." By 1920, the Oneida Nation retained only 32 acre of treaty land down from the 6000000 acre held before the American Revolution.

The Oneida Nation of Wisconsin were still receiving an annuity check of $1,800, as late as 1941, almost 150 years after the treaty took effect.

Quakers
The Quakers were involved in the aftermath of the treaty. Pickering appointed the Quakers to teach the Haudenosaunee Confederacy “European-style agriculture”. The Friends’ Review, a Quaker publication, recalls “ploughs, axes, and hoes” being “liberally” supplied to the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. The treaty has had a lasting legacy in asserting the sovereignty of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy; historian Robert W. Venables states that “from 1794 to the present day, the treaty has been the legal keystones of relations between the United States and the Six Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy. The treaty is at the center of any of the Six Nation’s land claims and their rights to govern their own reservations”. The sovereignty and autonomy established in the treaty was also reaffirmed in the State Papers of the London Review of 1796, stating that anyone is able to “freely to pass and repass” through the territory addressed in the treaty, while recognizing the friendship established by the treaty itself.

Signatories
The treaty was signed by fifty Sachems and War Chiefs.

Notable signatories include:
 * Ki-ant-whau-ka (Corn Planter)
 * Kon-ne-at-or-tee-ooh (Handsome Lake)
 * Se-quid-ong-guee (Little Beard)
 * Sog-goo-ya-waut-hau (Red Jacket)
 * Honayawus (Farmer's Brother) (see: Battle of Devil's Hole)
 * Timothy Pickering

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