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Talk:List of NHL statistical leaders

Ovechkin
G700+ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.162.15.141 (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't update this article, during the season. GoodDay (talk) 18:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Slovakia
Please, get the world map and find out where Slovakia is! All these great legends of NHL like Peter Stastny, Stan Mikita, Peter Bondra, Zigmund Palffy, Marian Hossa ... come from Slovakia! Get the facts ! This is so ridiculous watching Canadian national television and hearing that they were Czechs. No way! Is it so hard for Americans and Canadians to remember just 4 countries - tiny by population but giant by hockey history ? Finland, Sweden, Czech Republic and Slovakia. Are you really so dumb or what? If even Canadian or American media do not know it, then it is not suprising that you - common people do not know it as well. I cannot imagine how it would look like if  there existed not 7 but 20 or 30  hockey giants.... That would be a catastrophe for you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.128.184.130 (talk) 22:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Are you under the impression that we are the people behind Canadian or American television? I think if you check those players' articles you will see that it does, in fact, call them Slovaks. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 19:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, I am under the impression that u can't het it right, coz all flag icons referring to Czech players (except the one I changed) say Czechoslovakia instead of Czech Republic and by clicking it you get to an article about a country that hasn't been existing for 18 years now. Also Bure is comes from Slovakia and not from the Soviet Union, my goodness. Calling a Czech and a Slovak a Soviet or a Russian is perceived as one of the greatest insults in those two countries. Don't you learn anything at school? The Soviets surpressed these nations for 40 years. I don't really have the energy to correct them all, but honestly it doesn't speak of intelligence.--83.208.137.33 (talk) 19:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

 * The flags used are the flags used by the country at the time of the players birth. Which Bure are you referring to?  Both Pavel and Valeri were born in the Soviet Union (which it was at the time of their birth) and played internationally for the USSR/Russia (depending on the year/player).  Ravendrop 19:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Previously I started a section at the bottom.  No one responded, however over time most of the flags were changed to show the current country; all Slovaks, most Russians and many Czechs.  The reason for so little Czech flags being changed is probably due to them being the same visually.  As I mentioned below, showing the current country is what most people want to see and this would reduce the amount of reverts.  This follows the List of NHL statistical leaders by country and is much closer to what the official NHL and HHoF records show. There's no verifiable justification for showing flag of the country at the time of the player's birth. 99.246.133.31 (talk) 22:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

 * This is standard across wikipedia, when you are showing location of birth you list it as of when they were born. The article you link to is different because it is specifically talking about current countries. -DJSasso (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Flags
I suggest to use a flag next to a non-Canadian/not-only-Canadian player according to : a) for what country the player played b) what citizenships the player possess c) where he was born, ...of what nationality his parents were... d) any other countries with which he is associated It will always be one or two countries, never three or more... I can't imagine a player who would be considered having three nationalities... So, according to this : Brett Hull is gonna be Canada and USA, Evgeni Nabokov - Kazakhstan and Russia, Dany Heatley - Germany and Canada, Stan Mikita - Slovakia and Canada etc. The players who are only Canadians would remain without any flag, of course.

Jasooon (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We already have a standard for this. The flag is for the country of birth at their time of birth. -DJSasso (talk) 16:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thus the reason we're using the Union Jack here, for Owen Nolan. GoodDay (talk) 17:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to say but that standard is idiotic. Ask Jágr to show you his papers and it will not say he was born in Czechoslovakia. Ask Chara to show you his papers and it will say he was born born in Slovakia. This standard of yours can only correctly apply to people who have died before the respective country stopped existing.83.208.137.33 (talk) 01:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It is the standard that all academic sources will use. If Jagr told you that he was born in the Czech Republic he would be wrong. It didn't exist when he was born. It would be 100% incorrect to say he was born in a country that didn't exist when he was born. His nationality would be the Czech Republic now, but his place of birth never changes. They are two different things. -DJSasso (talk) 04:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Active Coaches
Shouldn't Lemaire be listed in bold now that he has replaced John MacLean in New Jersey? Also, you should update the amounts of wins for the coaches. Lemaire has 600 at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.231.63 (talk) 06:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah it should be. -DJSasso (talk) 12:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Stan Mikita
Please correct at least the flag near Stan Mikita´s name. In 1940, when he was born, there was no Czechoslovakia, the country was split into Slovakia and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (It was the WWII). So if we want to exactly name the country at birth, it must be Slovakia, not Czechoslovakia. Try searching "Slovak Republic (1939–1945)" here on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.82.2 (talk) 18:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Teemu Selänne
Teemu Selänne is now ranked 14:th with 626 goals. Can someone who can access this page please update... — Preceding unsigned comment added by MhwSJ (talk • contribs) 11:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Inactive players
When updating the lists to include statistics from 2010-11, should any player that didn't play be removed from the list of active players? What about players like Kariya who were out due to injury? What about players like Nabokov who the NHL views as on a roster but never played? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.179.122 (talk) 06:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

For the Hockey Hall of Fame, a player is considered "active" until they officially announce their retirement or have not played professionally for a span of three years. As Paul Kariya did not sign a professional contract, he was 'inactive' with slim likelyhood of his returning in 2011-12 or 2012-13. Conversely, Marc Savard is signed with the Boston Bruins through 2016-17 and his salary applied against the Long Term Injury Reserve list. Therefore, Marc Savard is 'active' until March 7, 2013 or he announces his retirement. --Maplesoon (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Mike Modano is listed as an active player, this should be corrected as per the above consideration. He retired September 22nd, 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.180.96.242 (talk) 04:29, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Shooting Percentage
I think the cut-off for shooting percentage should be expressed as a minimum number of goals rather than shots. It does a disservice to the player to require that he have taken more wasted shots just to reach the minimum. Steven Stamkos would be 5th on the list of active players if he had enough shots, 119 goals on 750 shots. As is he would still make the list in 12th spot by pretending he had 800 shots.
 * Well thats sort of the point. Its to avoid having a player who only played one or two years skew the data. That being said I believe the number comes from the NHLs cut off point. So we use the same one. -DJSasso (talk) 02:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the source. Any minimum number of goals would achieve the same effect of removing the outlying numbers; using 100, 120 or 150 goals.  But I agree we should follow the NHL's rules, even if I disagree with them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.179.122 (talk) 03:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have an actual NHL reference that uses 800 shots as a cut off? I contend that the NHL doesn't maintain an offical shooting percentage as the statistics only started in 1967 and did not count all shots on goal prior to 1982. NHL.com uses 82 SOG in a season as cutoff for inclusion in per season shooting percentages.  --Maplesoon (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Although hockey-reference.com isn't official, it shows the same 800 career shots as a cut-off. I think you are correct, the NHL doesn't maintain a career shooting percentage statistic however it is easy to calculate for players who started after 1967-68.  Unfortunately it appears that shots and goals taken before that are ignored.  Probably there should be an asterisk after some of these numbers, e.g. the less productive first half of Bucyk's career is ignored. 174.119.19.211 (talk) 04:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Flags again
I think the policy of using the flag of players' place of birth at the time of birth should be revisited. I think we should use the current flag of the place of birth at the time of birth similar to List of NHL statistical leaders by country. This is also how the NHL indicates country of birth, they don't indicate players as being born in Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia. Typically more information will be displayed using less clutter, no more double flags for Slovak players. It won't completely eliminate all the flag changes for editors who wish to see current nationality displayed, but it will certainly reduce the amount. 174.119.19.211 (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Patrick Roy in Playoff Games Played
I realize that the "Playoff Games Played" refers only to skaters but would it be appropriate to add a note stating that Patrick Roy played 247 playoff games, good enough for third amongst all players? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.184.76 (talk) 17:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

point leaders
can the dates active be added for the all time point scorers? it is helpful for context for the different era's of hockey. just maybe in parentheses the dates active. 70.29.109.219 (talk) 05:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

What about a list of NHL goalies who have 300 NHL wins?
What about creating a list of NHL goalies who have 300 NHL wins, kind of like List of NHL players with 500 goals. So far, 25 NHL goalies, including Martin Brodeur, Patrick Roy and Ed Belfour, have over 300 NHL wins and two other goalies have potential to reach 300 wins in the 2011-12 NHL season. I think it's a huge acheivement for NHL goalies to get 300 NHL wins. BattleshipMan (talk) 21:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: Evgeni Nabokov has become the 26th NHL goaltender to win 300 NHL games. We probably should set up the list of NHL goalies that has 300 wins. BattleshipMan (talk) 08:33, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This "list" is inclusive to the end of the the 2010-2011 season, it is not updated throughout the season. The top 25 Goalies listed in "Regular season wins" would simply be duplicated with your suggestion, as #25 has 301 wins right now. I do not see the need to have the same info in multiple locations, that's just one more place to update, another opportunity to have conflicting information. IMHO a redirect from List of NHL goalies with 300 wins to List_of_NHL_statistical_leaders, should suffice, allowing for the list to include goalies with at least 300 wins.--UnQuébécois (talk) 13:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a 26th goalie who has just got 300 wins and there is another NHL goalie Miikka Kiprusoff who is getting close from being the 27th goalie to get 300 NHL regular season wins. BattleshipMan (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I stated, this list will only be updated at the end of the current season, having a whole new list for simply 2 or 3 additional entries would be a waste of time, and a potential for conflict.--UnQuébécois (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea IMHO. A sortable list would show more than the simple list of names and number of wins shown in the statistical leaders list and more than the statistics easily found elsewhere.  Are the dates of their 300th win available similar to the 500 goal and 1000 point lists?  From that their winning team would also be possible.  As UnQuébécois wrote the main list shouldn't contain Nabokov until season's end.  He and the others that are close should be listed separately as in List of NHL players with 500 goals.  99.245.230.74 (talk) 04:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If the list was as long as the 500 goal list, I would agree that a sortable table might be handy. @BattleshipMan, there is nothing holding you back from creating the said article and see where it goes! That's the great thing about Wikipedia, you can contribute at any time!--UnQuébécois (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I'm talking about. A sortable list would show more then the simple list of numbers anf number of wins in the statisical leaders list. Evgeni Nabokov's name wouldn't be listed until the season's end and Miikka Kiprusoff is close of having 300 wins this season and would be listed as active players who are close of getting 300 NHL regular season wins. That's what I'm talking about. BattleshipMan (talk) 09:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to create the list of NHL goalies who had 300 wins as soon as the 2011-12 NHL regular season is over. I will make create a number of wins and how many games the goalies played, effective by the end of the regular season. Someone else would find out which winning game they got for their 300 wins and the date they got for that milestone. BattleshipMan (talk) 22:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Update: Miikka Kiprusoff just became the 27th NHL goalie to get 300 NHL wins. BattleshipMan (talk) 05:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

2011-12 Season
It looks like some 2011-12 stats are starting to get updated. That seems fine, as the regular season is over, but the playoffs are not over, we should probably wait till the whole 2011-12 season including playoffs are over before making any changes.--UnQuébécois (talk) 00:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see your issue. It's hard enough to stop editors from updating the statistics during the season.  There's no reason to to disallow valid and consistent updates now.  There's no confusion between regular season and playoff statistics.  Someone updated Jagr's regular season points and goals, rather than revert them I completed the update of the two sections so that they would be correct. If there's a mistake, correct it, don't revert everything. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 03:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If update of regular season statistics is to wait until after play-offs are over, it would probably be a good idea to put a edit lock for two more months. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The 2011–12 NHL season includes the playoffs, which have not happened yet.--UnQuébécois (talk) 19:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

 * We generally change the notice to say playoffs once the regular season is done. Updating the regular season records is fine. -DJSasso (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And I have made the change. -DJSasso (talk) 19:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Flags again 2
Realize that this has been likely hashed out previously, but per MOS:FLAGBIO flags shouldn't be used for birth country as the image implies citizenship ("Flag icons should never be used to indicate a person's place of birth, residence, or death, as flags imply citizenship and/or nationality"), which is of particular relevance to NHL players with international careers that are attached to specific countries. Why are flags used to mark birth country on this page, contrary to the Manual of Style? I realize that it is easier on players that have played internationally on multiple teams, and that the NHL indicates place of birth on nhl.com, but the connotation of a flag is citizenship. My suggestion would be to eliminate flags entirely from the page -- Samir 04:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Citizenship can and does change for various reasons, citizenship is not what is portrayed in this article, the lede clearly states such. This article is not a biography, but a statistical list. One interesting statistic is where players are from and the flag is a quick visual indicator.--UnQuébécois (talk) 12:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that birth country is of interest, but there is a list on that already. As many have indicated before, and have been quashed on this page, its archives, and on Wikiproject:Hockey, we do have a guideline (admittedly a guideline, not a policy) on flag use on the entire project as part of WP:MOS, and this page is one of the few that does not reflect it (even if there is an explanatory lead). If there has already been an WP:RFC on it where consensus was reached (couldn't find it), then feel free to hat this discussion, but otherwise, I think it is worth another discussion, and even an RFC -- Samir 15:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Remember the MOS is just a guideline and in some cases might not fit the situation. In the case of this page, the country of birth is very much of interest to who has these statistical records. That is a very much talked about issue in sports, especially hockey. Removing the flags would damage the page unnecessarily. -DJSasso (talk) 16:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a link to these discussions, or a reliable source indicating that it is of interest to identify NHL statistical leaders by country of birth, because I don't see such a classification as being of particular relevance. Dany Heatley is not German, Slovak players are not Czech, Evgeni Malkin was 4 when the Soviet Union dissolved, Willi Plett is not from Paraguay, Owen Nolan is not British, Paul MacLean is not French, etc. It is very confusing, and the connotation of citizenship to flag icons contributes significantly to the confusion.
 * I also don't see why the MOS is summarily being dismissed when there is a clear reason why we should indeed be following it on this page: putting flags of countries of birth beside people's names incorrectly connotes citizenship. The way I see it: (1) flag icons are style elements and (2) it is quite confusing to see a flag of birth beside someone who does not attribute themselves to that country even if there is an explanation at the top of the page. My suggestion is removal on this page, as I think the flag icons are hurting as opposed to helping -- Samir 17:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It does not con notate citizenship when the article specifically mentions that it is not talking about citizenship but about birth. You only have to watch your average sports cast to see that they almost always mention where player is from when he is non-Canadian and is moving up the stat leaders chart, in otherwords it is always a big deal when someone who is not a Canadian moves up the stat leaders chart. There is always a huge deal of it made in the press. It is not citizenship that is important for this list, it is where they were born. As for the countries that dissolved it is standard that biographies mention location of birth as the country it was when they were born so that is in step with everywhere else. -DJSasso (talk) 17:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The MOS is not "gospel" but a guideline, you are picking on one small aspect of the MOS, if you read further up it also talks about historical considerations, and further down about sportspersons. When taking all of this in consideration, it is clear that the page is showing place of birth, and the appropriate flag at the time of birth is appropriate and correct in this article.--UnQuébécois (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Samir, the current use of flags does a disservice to the page and is not what most people want to see. I've made similar arguments before, first .  A suggestion I was given on a different IP address talk page was to bring up the discussion on the main ice hockey page for wider view.  In my experience of watching and reading about hockey, rarely is Dany Heatley's German birth mentioned, definitely much less than the discussion about playing for Team Canada.  And Peter Bondra being born in Ukraine is similarly never mentioned.  DJSasso is correct in that where a player is from is important.  No one cares about what passports a player is eligible to carry, whether by birth or citizenship which is now obtained for convenience.   Where they received their minor league hockey training between ages 8 and 15 is important.  In this respect Heatley is Canadian and Bondra is Slovakian.  Look at the wiki pages for these players, the opening line of each clearly indicate this, where they were born comes in a later section.  Use of the county name at the time of birth is only used in the info box along with the city.  Although factually correct and necessary for completeness this is more trivial than what is needed here.  The flag shown in the info box is for the country the player represented using multiple flags when appropriate.  Player pages clearly include full context, this page highlights the trivia and relies on "fine print" reference notes to clarify that the information displayed is misleading.  Another major issue is the use of Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia flags.  This is just pointlessly hiding information.  If someone is interested in the political history of these counties, there are wiki pages available for that.  Many players purposely defected to get away from these  countries, highlighting an association with a repressive forced union that many fought hard to end is offensive for some.  For simple practicality showing the current country would eliminate several dozen edits and reverts per year.  To me this a clear sign that the current use of flags is not what most want to see. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 20:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * For wider discussion of this issue, I brought it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive52. For proper disclosure I am the same editor that was previously at 174.119.23.115.  99.246.116.118 (talk) 05:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Remove all the flags from this article list. Unlike the IIHF, the NHL is country-blind. GoodDay (talk) 06:13, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Update: I've removed all flags from the article. GoodDay (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

All time leading statistics for Goalies / Subsection assists and goals and penalties by goalies
All time leading statistics for Goalies

Goals scored all time (including playoffs)

Points scored all time (including playoffs)

Assists scored all time (including playoffs)

Penalty minutes assessed all time (including playoffs)

I thought there was a section for this. Was this removed or did wikipedia move it?--Mcbain942 (talk) 14:57, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe it was removed because those states are already mixed in with all the other stats and didn't require duplication in a separate subsection. Also I think the page you are referring to is List of NHL records (individual) -DJSasso (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

No records for time on ice and shifts by skaters and goalies?
How come there aren't any records for time on ice and shifts by skaters and goalies? They are also stats too. jlog3000 (talk) 19:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly the leaders on this page are all the official leaders categories that the NHL tracks. Not all stats are considered official stats. -DJSasso (talk) 20:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

No stats from 2013
Hi, I guess I accidentally updated Jagr's regular season goal scoring standing in that list. It was officially announced on NHL.com. I was wondering why this rule is in place not to update the article as the current season goes on...

Cheers
 * It is because people don't necessarily keep updating the statistics throughout the season which causes different records to be as of different dates. By choosing one date and sticking with it we can have all the records correct as of a specific date. It prevents errors basically. -DJSasso (talk) 12:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit notice, needs updating
The Edit notice needs to be updated, now that the 2016-17 NHL season & post-season are over. GoodDay (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Layout
This is a mess and a number of the navigational links don't work. anchor would fix this and if there's no objections I'll do it if I remember to get around to it. -- Ace fitt 06:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Jaromir Jagr with the Calgary Flames
Indeed Jagr is 'now' playing for the Calgary Flames. But, we don't add that to this article, until the 2017-18 NHL season is over. GoodDay (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think adding the teams is fine, its the numbers being out of synch we are worried about. -DJSasso (talk) 01:06, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Protection or remove 'editing' note.
We may as well delete the red message calling on editors to not update this article, during the season. IPs & newbies are just ignoring it & updating anyways. GoodDay (talk) 14:45, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * yeah... That's a lot of edits that shouldn't be there. I'm tempted to just undo all the way back... –uncleben85 ( talk ) 01:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection might be a decent option. Or pending changes? Pichpich (talk) 03:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Henrik Sedin's record is not correct
Games played and total points have been mixed up for Henrik Sedin. He is not top 50 in points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.215.69 (talk) 15:06, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

2018-19 updates
Recommend this article needs regular season & playoffs updates, now that 2018-19 has concluded. Just don't know where to even begin ;) GoodDay (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article should be split into a bunch of smaller pages. This would make it much easier to update consistently and would also allow management of in-season updates to be easier.Sxg169 (talk) 15:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * We prefer not to update this article 'during' the season. GoodDay (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I would prefer it too but it feels like a losing battle and also not in keeping with the rest of the world (i.e. every website where stats are available). The main reason to only update after a season is to ensure the article is consistent and all stats are comparable because they are equally up-to-date.  The alternatives are to: a) break the article into more manageable sections; b) Police constantly; c) allow updates during the season and then accept that various stats will be out of sync; d) put a lock on the page.  I would advocate for a).  What do other sports do?Sxg169 (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Other sports do as we do and don't update till end of season. -DJSasso (talk) 16:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

 * I do my best, to police this article. GoodDay (talk) 16:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * What about MLB and NBA? MLB has these: Template:Major_League_Baseball_records -- a separate page for each statistic and updated essentially daily with a "updated as of" statement on the page. Meanwhile the NBA also has separate pages, though no single template, that are also updated pretty much daily.  Here is the NBA list:

Sxg169 (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * NBA post-season records
 * List of National Basketball Association career scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career assists leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career steals leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career blocks leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association top rookie scoring averages
 * List of National Basketball Association single-season scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association single-season rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association single-game scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association single-game rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association players with most assists in a game
 * List of National Basketball Association players with most steals in a game
 * List of National Basketball Association players with most blocks in a game
 * List of National Basketball Association longest winning streaks
 * List of National Basketball Association longest losing streaks
 * List of NBA teams by single season win percentage
 * List of oldest and youngest National Basketball Association players
 * Yes we could certainly split some out, and would encourage doing so for some of the major ones. But our records page covers a lot more than just scoring leaders etc. It includes a lot that I personally wouldn't want on separate pages but would want collected on a page like this. And yes you could do "as of" dates for these pages, but it would differ from the consensus the wikiproject has to not update stats on any pages that aren't season pages until season is over. So would require a bit of a discussion to do that. The biggest reason we don't do "as of" is because more often than not, only one players stats will be updated and not another in the same list. So its not really updated "as of" and it makes players in the same list out of synch. -DJSasso (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

a better proposal would be to downsize this article, via deleting selected stats. GoodDay (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

As an overall goal, we want: clear, reliable statistics that are easy to find & read while optimizing between ease of maintenance and currency (up-to-date).

Downsizing via deleting is an idea but I think there would be opposition to eliminating any of the stats. We could divide it into three pages: players, goaltenders and coaches. I don't think that goes far enough but it would be a start. Alternatively, we could divide it into "major" (e.g. career goals), "medium" (e.g. active leaders in playoff short-handed goals) and "minor" stats (e.g. active leaders in shooting percentage).

If we do eliminate stats, how far would you go? Only keep a few (~15% or so)? Only eliminate a few (keep maybe ~75%)?

Which stats does want collected on one page? Would having a template like Template:Major_League_Baseball_records does satisfy you or do you think readers want to scroll along on one page? Sxg169 (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Goals against average
Why is goals against average listed with four digits? Every source (save for Hockey-Reference) uses three digits, and I see no reason why this should be different. Kaiser matias (talk) 19:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * By all means, change'em to three. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

2019-20
This page needs to be updated for regular season & playoff stats now that the 2019-20 season has been completed. JayMerlyn (talk) 21:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

2020-21
This page needs to be updated for regular season & playoff stats now that the 2020-21 season has been completed. GoodDay (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Exceptions to the rule
Thinking over a recent IP's edit, concerning Joel Quenneville. Would it be alright to make an exception to the rule of 'not updating' during a season or post-season, if a coach resigns/is fired or a player retires 'during' the season? GoodDay (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Every rule is made to be broken... I saw that edit earlier too and didn't revert it. Masterhatch (talk) 00:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've followed the IPs lead. The rule does emphasis 'stats', rather then 'individuals'. We can update Quennville's stats after the season. GoodDay (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Out of date
This article is badly outdated. It still has a notice telling people not to update until the 2021-22 season is over. Tad Lincoln (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I know, we need an administrator to update the notice. GoodDay (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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The station is located at one end of the high street and a short distance from the village square. Buses operate from the station to Minnis Bay and Margate on weekdays during peak hours; at other times buses can be caught from the village square.

History
The station was opened on 5 October 1863 by the Kent Coast Railway (KCR). The KCR was operated by the London, Chatham & Dover Railway (LCDR), which absorbed the KCR on 1 July 1871, and the station was renamed Birchington-on-Sea by the LCDR in October 1878. From the start of 1899, the LCDR's services were operated by the newly formed South Eastern & Chatham Railway, which the LCDR co-owned with the South Eastern Railway (SER). At the start of 1923, the LCDR amalgamated with other railways (including the SER) to form the Southern Railway. Two Pullman camping coaches were positioned here by the Southern Region from 1963 to 1967.

A small goods yard was situated on the Up London bound side of the station which closed in the 1970s and operated by the signalbox located midway on the down platform closed about the same time during a resignalling programme. The wire and rod cutout can still be seen within the brick face of the down platform. The 2007 Budget plan of Network Rail allows for the removal of the remaining manual turnround and it is believed short residual siding occasionally used for storing tamping track maintenance units, 'tampers'.

A junction existed to the west of the station to serve RAF Manston until the 1930s operated from a Ground Frame Birchington B located some 440 yd upside of the station - a plan of which can be seen in the RAF Manston Museum.

Services
All services at Birchington-on-Sea are operated by Southeastern using  and  EMUs.

The typical off-peak service in trains per hour is:

 * 1 tph to London St Pancras International
 * 1 tph to London Victoria
 * 2 tph to Ramsgate

Additional services including trains to and from London Bridge and London Cannon Street call at the station in the peak hours.

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Talk:Chinese cuisine

Sources for future article expansion
This is a fascinating account of how Eid al-Adha rituals led to Muslims/Hui becoming the usual butchers in western China not only for the imperial elite but also for mandatory state sacrifices to the Chinese gods (considered to be meat-eaters if not carnivores) and suspect Commies during the paranoid Nationalist era (since killing cattle could only be a plot to reduce agricultural output and undermine the state). It should probably be introduced here, as well as at religion in China, Hui cuisine, and similar pages. — Llywelyn II   00:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Need link about the reason why few dairy products used by chefs
"Historically, many Chinese chefs tried not to use milk, because of the high rate of lactose intolerance among the Chinese population". There seems to be currently no links supporting that causal relationship.

https://www.foodpolitics.com/2019/04/whats-up-with-cheese-in-china/

The link above supports the claim, while it seems that there are few official sources regarding the causal relationship between few milk in traditional Chinese cuisine and high rate of lactose intolerance in China. Shenghan0329 (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

 * The claim is not just hard to prove, but likely an instance of reverse causality. The predominant academic view is that lactase persistence (LP) has been selected in a subset of human societies (e.g. Northern Europe) because of the historical availability of milk (in turn, because of the domestication of cattle). One exception to this principle is that Central Asian nomads have readily accessible milk but generally do not have LP; instead they consume only fermented milk with reduced lactose (source: ), this can explained as a form of technological adaptation (fermentation) outpacing evolutionary adaptation (LP). The most likely reason that Han Chinese never developed either LP or fermented milk is that in recent evolutionary history, cow milk is simply unavailable in the interior plains of China where Han Chinese evolved because the agricultural conditions favor intensive farming over cattle-raising. The sale price of milk in China (imported) is still nearly four times the price of that in India today (source: ). When something is rare or expensive, it's not a surprise that it doesn't appear in popular cuisine. Ceconhistorian (talk) 19:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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Reasons why stereotypes section should be cut
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Talk:NHL All-Star Game

Games added
I added the 2007 game to be played in Dallas and the expected announcement that the 2008 and 2009 games will be played in Atlanta and Phoenix as replacements for the cancelled 2005 and 2006 contests. NoseNuggets 11:43 AM US EDT Oct 5 2005.
 * Somebody added that the 2009 game will be in Montreal. Is this official?  If it isn't it should be reverted as Wikipedia is not a rumour mill.  --FrankCostanza 01:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

NHL just announced that Montreal will officially host 2009 game, also the year of the 100th anniversary.

Mcdonalds
someone should add a pieces about when McDonalds held a vote for who should be put into the All-Star team

'Morenz was carried off the ice on a stretcher to a hospital, where he died, not because of the leg injury, but because of his family, friends, and a legion of fans, all wanting to wish him well.' - Huh??? I got the drift from the following sentence that he was killed by rampaging fans in his hospital room. Is this true? Whatever the case, this sentence ought to be cleared up because it's more than a little bewildering. - Sajt 00:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Morenz died of a heart attack, as stated later. The source is NHL All-Star Game: Fifty Years of the Great Tradition (ISBN 0-00-200058-X).  kelvSYC 04:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Campbells vs. Wales
I know that this article doesn't need to become a repetition of the main NHL article; however, to those without much hockey background who happen to come across it and get interested, the origins of the Campbell and Prince of Wales Conferences need to be touched on briefly, as does the subsequent return to the more-tradtional nomenclature of East and West. Someone who is a far better hockey writer than I needs to tackle this! Rlquall 21:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Year by Year Naming
Should the NHL all-star game titles not be changed to year NHL All-Star Game, e.g. 2008 NHL All-Star Game? This would facilitate linking from other articles. Alaney2k 15:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I do see that there are redirects using the year to the appropriate articles. Alaney2k 15:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

List of NHL All-Stars
The list of "Most NHL All-Star Appearances" is incomplete. It itches for more. This should be it's own page. See "List of NBA All-Stars" for an example of how this should be. Andy2awesome (talk) 06:14, 4 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy2awesome (talk • contribs)

Dead links
Someone should revisit the Notes section for dead links. --HawkFest (talk) 15:53, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

MVP Players' Teams
Should there be mention which team player represented in the game? Something like this 1993 - Mike Gartner, New York Rangers (Wales) 1994 - Mike Richter, New York Rangers (East) . . 2011 - Patrick Sharp, Chicago Blackhawks (Staal) 2012 - Marian Gaborik, New York Rangers (Chara) BleuDXXXIV (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * See the articles on each of the individual All-Star games for the team rosters. isaacl (talk) 18:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Source for statistics
What's the source for the ranking of players by number of appearances? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurythmech (talk • contribs) 11:29, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 11 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 03:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

National Hockey League All-Star Game → NHL All-Star Game – Full name basis does not reflect common usage. ViperSnake151  Talk  02:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * Support per WP:SHORTFORM. BD2412  T 05:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - Agree that this seems to be a correct application of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:SHORTFORM. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 12:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Should other pages containing the league's full name also be moved accordingly? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 00:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Host city
Sunrise, FL hosted the All Star for the second time in 2023, first time in 2003. Need to add « (2) » for 2023. 167.248.168.216 (talk) 13:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ – sbaio 18:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

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1st NHL Season
It was a whacky start to what turned out to be a pretty good league... so far. Well except for Gil Stein...but I digress. The scoring leader in the first year was just that..the person who scored the most goals. Assists were not counted toward the cumulitive point total until the following season.-Rainman71 22:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Objections?
Does anyone have an objection to me listing the teams and arenas for each regular season as a quick and easy reference close to the top of the page?-Rainman71 22:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Harry Meeking
I removed Meeking's name from the leading scores with what I believe is good reason. I am hoping to make all the leading scorer tables for seasons a list of the top 10. While Meeking did indeed tie with Darragh and Nighbor for 8th with 19 points, he falls short citing 1 less goal than Nighbor. I know that it lists him with the leading scorers in the Record Book, but I am using the [|Be Bold] guidline. Of course, if its decided upon a majority that Meeking should stay, I will agree with that. Kaiser matias 07:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not particularly. For one thing, the NHL didn't start keeping official records of assists until 1920 or thereabouts, so quite aside from the potential inaccuracy of the stat, no contemporaneous account would have put Meeking in the top ten.  Ravenswing 13:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, looking at the 2007 Record Book, it does include assists for the 1917-18 season. I find it odd, considering the fact that they didn't keep assists. But, it is the official publication of the NHL. Kaiser matias 18:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It was was first tabulated on an unofficial basis and reconstructed after the fact from newspaper accounts and the like. Ravenswing 21:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The NHL has adopted the reconstructed stats as the official ones. They have been published in the league's official encyclopedia, Total Hockey, and are the basis for the panels listing the top ten scorers year-by-year in the annual Official Guide and Record Book. This is controversial, however. Some, such as the webmaster of Hockeydb.com, have resisted the reconstructed statistics. Since the statistics were researched by members of the Society for International Hockey Research, on the other hand, that organization recognizes them.Munson66 18:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Wanderers
While the Montreal Wanderers are listed in the 1917-18 standings with a record of a win and five losses, this does not mean that the team played six games. The team only played four games before the Montreal Arena fire. As outlined in Deceptions and Doublecross by Holzman and Nieforth, Toronto and the Canadiens each claimed a default before the Wanderers formally withdrew.

The standings are correct, but the interpretation is not. Munson66 18:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So mention it in the main text of the article. Ravenswing 18:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Munson66 19:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Did Harry Hyland score four goals or five?
The Highlights section states that on the day of the first game of the season, "Harry Hyland had four goals (the league's first hat trick) in the Wanderers' 10–9 victory." However, according to the | List of players with five or more goals in an NHL game, Harry Hyland scored five goals in that game. Also, according to the CBC article Solving the mystery of the NHL's 1st game, which is cited in this article, he scored five goals. Which is correct? Triopsman326 (talk) 01:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Corrected this to state Hyland had scored five goals, which agrees with the NHL summary for the game.Triopsman326 (talk) 15:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Where was the March 13 NHL Championship game played?
The Playoffs - NHL Championship section indicates that the March 13 playoff game was played at Montreal Arena - but, of course, that arena had burned down. Was it actually played at Jubilee Rink? Triopsman326 (talk) 18:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Split season
This season was a slit season. I want to clean up this article and show the standings from each half, but I am having trouble finding what the stats were for each half. My searches on the net keep giving me the totals for the season. Being in Korea, i don't have much access to hockey information outside of the net, so i can't just pop down to the local library and dig up old books. Masterhatch 20 August 2005

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Novel versus movie
Cburnett you made an edit and said: "This novel box takes up way to much space to be at the top" ... but I disagree with you. I think that the movie is dominating this page and the book is getting little notice. I'm not going to move the Novel box back up to the top, but maybe you can suggest something that doesn't make the book the secondary topic of this page ... it was a novel first, after all. Just my 2 cents and an explanation for the way I had formatted the page. --Talia 16:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I understand where you're coming from, but that box takes up a lot of page real estate. I think you should split the movie off into its own article and leave the novel box at the bottom of the article (its still quite intrusive). Cburnett 16:31, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Good idea ... I'm just not sure how to create a different article with the same title ... I'm still new to this. Can you point me to a tutorial? --Talia 16:36, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Never mind, I followed the example from the Harry Potter book pages. They added a (movie) at the end of the title.  So I did this too.  I hope this edit is okay ... if not it can always be reverted :) --Talia 19:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * That's the way to do it (exception would have been to "(2000 movie)" if there had been more than one movie named Chocolate). You should also go through the "What links here"  and go to all the articles about the movie and disambiguate the link. Cburnett 19:57, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay all done, that took a while, but it was neat to learn all of that. Thanks :) --Talia 00:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Heh, no problem. Just for your future information, it is generally expected to "fix" things when breaking articles up or moving articles. Cburnett 02:19, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

I think you could show the DVD reference for the film, too. One interesting point is the major difference between the film and the book. A completely new character (The Mayor)is inserted into the film, to save American objections to the portrayal of a Priest doing anything wrong. (In the context of the Catholic Bishops and child abuse more recently discovered, of course, this is a tad ironic). Cb@beeb.net 15.24 01 Nov 05

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"Witch"?
Unfortunately, I have not read this book, so I find the following statement confusing. In the Plot summary section it says: "Vianne, we learn from her personal thoughts, is a witch, though she does not use the word." If Vianne never uses the word "witch" in her inner monologue, how does the WP author know that she thinks of herself as one? Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 07:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Westgate-on-Sea railway station

Westgate-on-Sea railway station is on the Chatham Main Line in England, serving the town of Westgate-on-Sea, Kent. It is 72 mi down the line from London Victoria and is situated between Birchington-on-Sea and Margate.

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Seems like vandals have striked. I don't think Toronto won the Stanley Cup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.201.60 (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Was the '75' logo ever used during the 1992-93 season? I've got plenty of pictures (NHL guide & record book, hockey cards, etc) from the 1991-92 season where the players have the 75 patch on their jerseys, but as far as I can tell, the Stanley Cup 100th anniversary logo was used throughout the 1992-93 season. Aottley 14:59, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I saw that 75 logo here for 1992. I assumed that it meant the 1992-93 season. Since I am in Korea, it is difficult for me to find reliable sources for hockey. If I was back in Canada i could just look through some old magazines and hockey cards laying around that I have. But I'm not, so I can't. So, if I made a mistake, please fix it. Please feel free to fix any mistakes that I make on any article. RG has been fixing boo-boos of mine and I appreciate it very much.Masterhatch 15:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Would anyone mind if I added the list of the head coaches employed by each team during this specific season? Ericster08 20:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

why is the toronto-los angeles section so huge? i mean it's freaking huge. someone should edit it down considerably. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.2.120 (talk) 00:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

also, i think all articles on wikipedia in regards to nhl seasons and playoffs should presented the same. the difference between 1992-92 and 1993-94 seasons in how they are presented is astounding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.2.120 (talk) 00:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

 * If you're talking about formatting, then by all means go ahead and make them uniform. However, I think that articles that lack information regarding what actually happened during the season are inferior to articles like this one that have such information.  Whatever you do, don't remove that kind of content without consensus. Croctotheface 01:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

well, the toronto-los angeles section needs to be flushed out somehow. I'm not going to do it, but it sure does need to be edited for brevity and content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.2.120 (talk) 02:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Milestone goals in neutral site games?
I think that the fey milestone goals scored in neutral locations should be noted. You guys? 24.87.56.142 (talk) 02:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Gilmour/Gretzky.
What, this was this the only controversial incident of the entire 1992-93 season? Does it need such a large (and poorly worded) piece of the overall article? Perplexed 21:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Probably not the only controversial incident, and certainly there were other incidents during the playoffs (like the penalty for using an illegal stick that Marty McSorley got during the final series - it turned the tide and helped lead to a Montreal win), but the reason this is so big and controversial is because it's Toronto. The media and their fans have a tendency to overhype things like this. It's just the whole "they were robbed" idea that most fans will latch onto when their team loses. Sure, a penalty probably should have been called on Gretzky, but that happens all the time. The 1999 final Brett Hull's skate was in the crease, in violation of the rules, during the cup winning goal. If you want to go further back, look at Maurice Richard's suspension (the one that caused the riot). The Habs, and their fans, were robbed that year.

Having said that, it would be worthy of a mention, along with other incidents (not necessarily controversial ones, but one's like McSorley's stick), but as it stands, on it's own, it's overblown. Viruk42 (talk) 02:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

considering also that it has zero sources, I would argue that its grounds for deletion or definately consolidation. Many teams win the season series but it doesnt mean they win in the playoffs, just look at the sens-mapleleafs playoff stories, ottawa won most games each year but lost in the playoffs to the leafs everytime. Doesnt mean they would have won against montreal (in fact montreal only had 3 playoff loses in the first 3 rounds), just means they had a tough break in one game. And if im not mistaken this happened in game 6, but didnt that series go to 7 games? hardly a series controversey just a game controversy70.49.155.40 (talk) 00:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Kerry Fraser finally admitted his mistake, though Gilmour took some of the blame. (What a nice guy.) But yes, this incident was during game 6 of a 7-game series. 15:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perplexed (talk • contribs)

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title: Talk:1996–97 NHL season


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Talk:2000–01 NHL season

all of the dates in the dallas-st louis series were wrong for about five years —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.85.132 (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:2000–01 NHL season