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James O'Neill (actor, born 1847)

James O'Neill (November 15, 1847 – August 10, 1920) was an Irish-American theatre actor. He was the father of American playwright Eugene O'Neill and the inspiration for one of the primary characters in his son's play Long Day's Journey into Night.

Early life
James O'Neill was born on November 15, 1847, in County Kilkenny, Ireland. His parents were distant cousins, Edward and Mary O'Neill. His father was a farmer. The family emigrated to America in 1851 and settled in Buffalo, New York. In 1857 they moved to Cincinnati, Ohio, where James was apprenticed to a machinist.

Career
At the age of 21, he made his stage debut in a Cincinnati, Ohio, production of Boucicault's The Colleen Bawn (1867). Also in 1867, Edwin Forrest embarked on a "farewell tour". O'Neill had a minor part in Forrest's Cincinnati production of Virginius, and then joined a travelling repertory company. He played a young sailor in Joseph Jefferson's Rip Van Winkle and for the first time found his brogue a handicap. He also played Macduff to Edwin Booth's Macbeth.

In 1874, he played the titular role in Othello in Chicago, trading off with the famous actor Edwin Booth. Casting O'Neill, who was called Black Irish because of his black hair, has been marked as one possible origin of disputes about whether the character Othello was meant to merely to have black hair and dark features, rather than to be of sub-Saharan African origin.

The San Francisco Chronicle of August 3, 1879, described James O'Neill as "...a quiet gentleman of medium height, well-proportioned figure, square shoulders and stands very erect. He has black hair, black eyes, rather dark complexion, a black mustache, and a fine set of teeth which he knows how to display to advantage." "

While in San Francisco, O'Neill became friends with fellow actor, John Elitch. When Elitch opened the Elitch Zoological Gardens in Denver, Colorado, on May 1, 1890, O'Neill attended the opening and promised "I'll come back and play on that stage whenever you say." On May 30, 1897, O'Neill kept his promise and appeared in the opening play, Helene, by Martha Morton.

He was considered a promising actor, quickly working his way up the ranks to become a matinee idol.

Scandal
In 1874 O'Neill joined Richard M. Hooley's company, and the following year toured San Francisco, Virginia City and Sacramento. He then headed back east to join the Union Square Company.

On June 14, 1877, while in New York, James O'Neill married Mary Ellen Quinlan, daughter of Thomas and Bridget Quinlan, at St. Ann's Church on 12th Street. James and Ella had three sons: James (b. 1878), Edmund (b. 1883) and Eugene O'Neill (b. 1888). While James was on tour, Ella often accompanied him, and the boys were placed in boarding school. In the fall of 1877, three months after James' marriage, a woman by the name of Nettie Walsh sued O'Neill, claiming that O'Neill already married her, when she was 15, and he was the father of her three-year-old son.

The couple was in San Francisco on September 10, 1878, when their first son, James O'Neill Jr. was born in the home of one of O'Neill's friends. While in San Francisco, O'Neill took on the role of Christ in David Belasco's production The Passion for which Belasco rounded up 100 nursing mothers to appear in the tableau "the Massacre of the Innocents". The Board of Supervisors passed a local ordinance prohibiting "profane" dramas, and O'Neill and the rest of the company were arrested. O'Neill pleaded guilty and paid a $50 fine for himself and $5 for each of his co-defendants. About October 30, 1880, O'Neill and his family took a train back to New York where he re-joined the Union Square Company.

The Count of Monte Cristo
As early as 1875, while a stock star at Hooley's Theatre in Chicago, O'Neill played the title role in a stage adaptation of Dumas' The Count of Monte Cristo. In early 1883 O'Neill took over the lead role in Monte Cristo at Booth's Theater in New York, after Charles R. Towne died suddenly in the wings after his first performance. O'Neill's interpretation of the part caused a sensation with the theater-going public. A company was immediately set up to take the play on tour. O'Neill bought the rights to the play. The San Francisco News Latter was less appreciative of O'Neill, saying on December 31, 1887 "In his hands the romantic story has degenerated into an extravagant melodrama. ...He is reaping the pecuniary profit of his business sagacity, but it is at the cost of art."

O'Neill soon had enough of the Count. His lines came out by rote and his performances became lackadaisical. He tried other plays but The Three Musketeers and Julius Caesar met with indifferent response, and O'Neill was forced to return to Monte Cristo in order to recoup the losses sustained in "artistic successes". Monte Cristo remained a popular favorite and would continue to make its appearance on tour as regular as clockwork. O'Neill could not afford to sacrifice wealth in the face of a growing family. His son Eugene was born in New York on October 16, 1888.

He went on to play this role over 6000 times. Some, including Eugene, saw O'Neill's willingness to play the role so many times as selling out; squandering the potential of his art in order to make money. By 1887, The San Francisco Morning Call estimated O'Neill's fortune at a quarter of a million dollars. In March 1894, O'Neill took on the role of Shane O'Neill in the play The Prince of Ulster.

According to his son, Eugene,

"My father was really a remarkable actor, but the enormous success of 'Monte Cristo' kept him from doing other things. He could go out year after year and clear fifty thousand in a season. He thought that he simply couldn't afford to do anything else. But in his later years he was full of bitter regrets. He felt 'Monte Cristo' had ruined his career as an artist."

The company toured as far west at St. Louis; Eugene O'Neill who had given up his studies at Princeton, was the assistant treasurer. He left the company to begin his wanderings at sea. O'Neill converted "Monte Cristo" into tabloid form for the vaudeville circuit to accommodate changing taste in theater entertainment.

O'Neill's celebrity and identification with Monte Cristo led Adolph Zukor to engage O'Neill in 1912 to appear in a feature film version of the play as the first production of his Famous Players Film Company. By that time O'Neill had been continuously playing the part for nearly 40 years and was 65 years old. Directed and photographed by Edwin S. Porter and co-starring Nance O'Neil as Mercedes, the film was initially held back in release but finally appeared in late 1913.

Death
In the middle of 1920 James was struck by an automobile in New York City and taken to Lawrence Memorial Hospital in New London, Connecticut. He died, aged 72, on August 11, 1920, from intestinal cancer, at the family summer home, the Monte Cristo Cottage in Connecticut. His funeral at St. Joseph's Church was attended by, among others, O'Neill's sister, Mrs. M. Platt of St. Louis and Edward D. White, Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. O'Neill was buried in St. Mary's cemetery.

Legacy
James O'Neill later became the model for James Tyrone, the frugal, mercurial, unseeing father character in Eugene O'Neill's posthumously published autobiographical play Long Day's Journey into Night, which tells the story of the Tyrone family, which closely resembles the O'Neill family.

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Early Life
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Plural
Out of curiosity, what is the plural of dominatrix? Is it dominatrixes, or dominatrices (as in matrix / matrices) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.48.150 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 13 April 2005

 * According to Websters/Dictionary.com, either of these forms is appropriate for the plural construction: n. pl. dom·i·na·trix·es or dom·i·na·tri·ces
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.51.122 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 10 May 2005

Latin
I noticed the article says "A dominatrix (from the Latin word dominatrix...". If the English and Latin word are identical isn't it really just the Latin word, not from the Latin word? Just a thought, I may be wrong.69.179.152.163 (talk) 18:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

citation needed on intro?
For example, the OED, in dicussing the titular 'Dom' (eg Dom Pérignon), clearly gives the latin Dominus as the root - "[In sense 1, a. Pg. dom, a title of honour, = Sp. don:{em}L. domin-us master, ruler, chief, owner; see DON n.1, DAM n.4, DAN1. In sense 2 an abbreviation of L. dominus.] ". Similarly, it's trivial to look up a full definition of dominus/domina if the explanation there isn't enough.

The sentence in question is talking about 'dom', not 'domme', as the prior just finished explaining that 'domme' was termed from the former. If that was the question, the wrong sentence is tagged 'cite needed'.

This seems so trivial I think I should just delete the 'cite needed', since I don't usually see citations for mere latin translations, certainly not from such obvious roots. Needing a cite to explain that 'dungeon' also has the same 'dominus' root might be reasonable, but not that 'dom/dominant/domination/dominatrix' come from 'dominus' .. I mean.. honestly.

No action taken at this time since I'm anonymous and I'd rather just provide a worthless citation to appease someone. I'd do the OED cite but access there is restricted through university portals and I figure that's just as worthless. :( 98.222.61.151 (talk) 10:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
Who wrote this? Someone who does not scene? A Dominant role is ALWAYS written with a CAPITAL LETTER and not in lower case first of all. Example: Dominatrix, Domme, Mistress, Goddess, Master, etc. No lower case for the Dominant title. Even the word “Dominant” receives a capital letter. Second: Domme is NOT pronounced as Dom. That is how you say the MALE title for a MALE Dominant when you call him a “Dom” and not how you address a female. That is offensive to a female. Call a Domme by the title of “Dom” and see if you don’t get punched in the teeth or at the very least sneered at as a complete moron with poor manners. The proper way to say the word “Domme” is to say “Dom-A” and whoever wrote this is wrong. Domina is plural for Domme and is also capitalized. Dominatrix means the female Dominant is a Pro Domme (terms are interchangeable) and she works for money in a dungeon taking clients. A Domme or Mistress is may or may not be a pro or may be an amateur who simply plays for fun. Dominatrix is a title reserved exclusively for a pro Dominant. In a professional dungeon with pay services you will find professional female Dominants using the titles of: Dominatrix, Domme, Mistress and Goddess. This is also true when the female works freelance on her own as she selects her own title as a matter of preference. In the amateur world, just for fun, no female uses the title of Dominatrix as it is only a pro title. Titles go by profession or amateur status. Is she being paid or not for services rendered? --user:anonymous 10 January 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.58.224.103 (talk) 01:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I respectfully state the above statements are not fully true. Going by what so-called "scene players" are about, this is not the full scale of what a naturally dominant Woman is about. The statement made above is in regards to people who attempt to live fantasy-ridden, contrived lifestyles, which has nothing to do with real life control, authority or domination, as a true Dominatrix would wield. Therefore, the above statement is all theorectical, and shows "original research".

Technically by definition of the word Dominatrix, She is just a Woman who has power and authority, not necessarily just in a romantic relationship or even a mere self-seeking kinkster/scene player. Any Woman who has power, authority or control over another person or a subgroup of people in general is technically a Dominatrix, such as in a Queen, or even a Female military officer, or even just merely the head of the household, for example. Therefore, to reduce a dominating Woman to a mere scene player or prostitute is not true at all. I think that looking up the etymology of the word would help to get some clearer perspective.

Thus, I feel that is just too narrow of a perspective, since so-called scene players (or "pretenders", or persons who are into fantasy-fests, not reality) are not people who can be taken seriously anyway, though they persist in rare instances in life. I feel this article generally paints a naturally dominant tempered Woman in a very sleazy and abnormal life, as though it is not culturally right or acceptable for a Woman to have such a personality type, or even Her authorative position in life. Therefore, this article is extremely sexist and even degrading to such a Woman's power or authority that She may actually have in Her personal life. So, I feel this article needs to be associated more with Matriarchy and Progressive Femininism, not so sleazy or as though it has something to do with prostitution or so-called "scene players" or other people engaged into fantasy-fests. For if you think about it, a so-called pro-domme does not dominate anything, since She is literally paid to cater to the whims of Her clients, usually men. So in reality, a pro-domme is submitting to Her client, not really dominating him at all. So technically, by definition of the word and etymology, a pro-domme is not even a real Dominatrix at all. Basically a pro-domme is a "sensuality slave", but in most cases they are sex slaves too. And that just has nothing at all to do with dominating another person or situation or condition in life. Fantasy and real life are not the same thing. I feel this article verges more on fantasy and pretend, rather than a real-life, truly dominating Woman.

Also, I disagree with the pronouciation too, but I also realize that language evolves over time too. For example, utter hillbillies and the depraved talk in one fashion, but cultured, educated and intelligent people talk in another fashion. And at the same time, language is for human communication purposes, so if there is not a generally agreed-upon standard and structure of language, that has withstood the test of time, then human communication will eventually fail. Then no one will be able to understand anything or anyone. It will be like Babylon all over again.

With that being said, almost all established dictionaries would say that "Domme" is pronounced the same way as "dom", per se. However of course, each Dominatrix would be free to decide for Herself how Her constituents are to refer to Her, of course. Also, Dominatrix can be spelled as Dominatress, obviously, like in Goddess, per se; and the proper plural is Dominatrices. And the Latin form is Domina, which is singular. The plural of Domina is Dominae, or even Dominæ, if one uses the diphthong right. This is parallel to the singular for Succubus, verses the plural, Succubi or Succubae or Succubæ.

I feel that just because there are a small handful of so-called scene players or kinksters in the world, that does not constitute or change reality, or the proper correctness and purpose of using language. Besides, a true Dominatrix would be a Lady of control in Her personal life, so people who are not able to have control or pay attention to detail would fall outside of the scope of what such a Woman would dominate, or have authority over, or even most likely tolerate amongst Her subordinates.

This article lacks structure, and needs cleanup and copyediting. -- Karada 16:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the pictures (particularly the first one) are not needed.GolumTR 20:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

This article is extremely biased and overly focused on a Dominatrix being associated with BDSM, which is simply only partially true. The real truth is that the word in of itself simply means "dominant woman" or a woman who takes on a principle role or center stage in some arena or other, including a marriage or romantic relationship, or even in some civic event, etc. Thus, in modern-day "female led relationships", such women are also assuming the principle, central, lead or dominant role, per se. Therefore, such women are also technically dominatrices, regardless of how they dress or whether they engaged into BDSM type activities with their partner(s) or not! Therefore, a Dominatrix describes either the natural temperament of a woman or even her position within some sort of given relationship or association or other. I feel this article is extremely biased, cartoonish and sexist to some degree, and needs to be amended so that it properly reflects the fact that any woman who is center stage in whatever affairs, situations or conditions are at hand, within her domain, would be considered a Dominatrix, by technical definition of the word. So yes, a Dominatrix can describe a woman who is the dominant sexual partner, but that is certainly not the only REAL MEANING of the word or how it is used! As it is now, this article is an embarrassment and even just another discredit to Wikipedia's often-times very compromised credibility. As it is now, this entire page is subjective, extremely opinionated and overly fantasy-ridden at best. This page needs re-edited, plain and simple.

Ivy (soul calibur)
woah, hold it. I can see how Pleasure change is dominate...ing, but punishment change does almost nothing. In fact, it may be the most inconspicuous stance change in the entire game... (Please respond on my talk page.) tinlv7 21:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

On User [80.78.159.210]
The Dominatrix Story Interview with a Mistress and with Guides on How to be a Dominatrix are constantly being removed by the user 80.78.159.210. However, it is a good resource and reference for this article. Please read the article and then discuss it here with the rules of Wikipedia.

Any help here?

Merge articles
I believe the article "Lifestyle dominatrix" should be merged into this one. Nevermorestr 06:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Someone has proposed merging in Professional dominant.

 * Merge as it all seemed covered here already. Some bits might need to go to Master (BDSM). (Emperor 15:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC))

The name Domina may have several meanings but should most certainly not be merged with the concept of Dominatrix. There are so many beautiful meanings to the name for it to be solely affiliated with one meaning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drstamas (talk • contribs).

I would argue against merging this article with Professional dominant, as there is a distinction between the two. One can be a dominatrix without being paid for it, while there are a small number of male professional dominants who would therefore not qualify as dominatrices. So while there may be overlap between the two, they are still distinct sets of people within the BDSM community/subculture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondRavenstone (talk • contribs) 15:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I would argue for renaming this article to 'Domme' and transfer any dominatrix references to the article 'Professional dominant'. A lifestyle Domme may also be a dominatrix, but a dominatrix isn't necessarily a lifestyle Domme. The term dominatrix implies 'professional', with all connotations of the word, and as such may be taken as a slur by some lifestyle Dommes who do not perform for money. I don't know what meanings for the word you have been given, but if you try flinging it around at an actual munch or bondage organization, you are going to get a stern and unforgettable explanation of the difference from more than one in attendance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.77.13 (talk) 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

 * We already have Female dominance for this, and I think it is a better name than "Domme" (which doesn't seem to be a proper word). I think this article should be left to covering things like the imagery, stereotype and popular culture of dominatrices - that's what the article is currently mainly about, after all; not every female dominant dresses up in the stereotypical dominatrix way, and it would be POV to imply that. Mdwh (talk) 01:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "Domme" is the term that's been used in lifestyle BDSM at least since the 80's. Understand that there's a firm distinction between the terms Domme and dominatrix. It's not just a stereotype that dominatrices are professionals, the definition of a dominatrix is a woman who dominates clients for money, as opposed to a Domme, who dominates her personal submissive(s) in her personal relationship(s). If there is a separate article on Female dominance, then much of the material dealing with non-professional lifestyle BDSM should be moved there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.77.13 (talk) 01:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Also understand that as a professional, the connotation with prostitution is unavoidable, even if the dominatrix does not have sex for money. Because of this, even though Dommes who are also dominatrices may be some of the most respected members of a bondage community, the term dominatrix can be taken as an insult by Dommes who do not perform professionally. 97.81.77.13 (talk) 01:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I know that dominatrix has different connotations - that's why I suggested the Female dominance article, rather than starting a new article Domme. However, I disagree that dominatrix means for-payment by definition - that's not the dictionary definition. I don't think this article has much coverage of lifestyle domination, it mainly only covers it to explain the differences. Mdwh (talk) 02:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Spam
The photo, most of the external links and some of the media references are all just spam. This article is not in any way approaching any kind of professional standard.
 * How is the photo spam? Videmus Omnia Talk  20:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A free image has been obtained from a notable French dominatrix. Why do you call that spam ? Hektor 21:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The image is definitely no spam. It makes sense to illustrate the topic and thats what it clearly does. Since dominatrices don't wear masks, I strongly doubt that we will get a much better picture soon. -Nemissimo 18:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically, this photograph is spam, although I do agree that She is a very sexy and beautiful Woman. However, this picture, along with Her name and links at the bottom of the page constitute spam, because She is a sex slave for hire. And if someone wants to debate what spam is, then at least we can all agree this is adware. Really, Wikipedia should not be used for someone's personal agenda in prostitution, whether they are selling their own sexual or sensual slavery to men for a fee.

Which also brings me the next point. A "Dominatrix" is a Woman who controls and dominates and has authority over another person(s), even control and authority over situations and conditions in life. Fantasy-fests are not real life control and domination. Thus, whoever this Woman is, who has submitted a "free picture" in order to advertise Her "business", is not really a real Dominatrix to begin with. She is merely pretending out a fantasy, where She serves and caters to the whims of Her very self-seeking clients, who actually have full control over Her, because they paid Her to submit to what they want. Therefore, She is basically a sex slave, or at least, She is a sensuality slave. That just has nothing at all to do with Female Domination or even a Mistress or Dominatrix.

But like I said, She is very beautiful, so if the motive here is just to make this article attractive, rather than to inform, then Her pix is great. But if the motive here is to depict real-life Women who truly have power and control, even over men, and not just sexual power and control, but control, power and authority in other or even all areas of their lives, then Her picture is sales spam advertisement/adware, since via Her picture, name and even the embedded links, someone can go find Her and pay Her to submit to them for some sensuality or sexuality services. I think we just need to keep this article about truly dominant, authoritive and controlling Women, not scene players or wannabe kinksters or other riffraff out to pretend in their self-centered, very contrived, meaningless, purposeless and pointless fantasy-fests.

Jadis, etc.
I am again removing Jadis and similar characters from C. S. Lewis's work from the examples. They do not fit the definition of the article itself, and share almost no characteristics with the examples mentioned. Being evil does not in itself make one a dominatrix. Anyone remotely familiar with Lewis would scoff at the notion that he intended to portray sexual domination in his children's books. Elphion (talk) 14:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this is nessarily fair, because female power is often coded as villainous, and it is broadly accepted a lot of femdom was snuck in precisely that way. See, say, Stalag, from 1960s Israel which was femdom porn disguised as holocaust survival memoirs.

Plz put Jadis back. :) OMisspearl (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Popular culture
Dominatrixes are so common in popular culture, that this list will never be complete and will simply keep growing. I suggest removing the list and in its place leaving a brief overview of the roll dominatrixes play in popular culture. -Neitherday (talk) 22:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Makes sense to me. Carl.bunderson (talk) 01:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't have any resources to write an overview, and with the trivia tag having been added recently, I suggest the section be removed wholesale. Carl.bunderson (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Done. Carl.bunderson (talk) 04:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Sarah and her slave
"[...]the Australian dominatrix Sarah~{owner of slave kylie; note the lower-case "k")[...]"

I don't think that Sarah and the spelling of her slave are of any relevance for the subject. -62.178.1.52 (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I'm removing that whole sentence shortly. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

sorry to put this here; i'm new here and have not yet figured out how to create a new topic in the discussion. however, i cancelled gnr's pretty tied up from the song-list because it deals with a female submissive and not with a dominatrix. hope, this is okay... —Preceding unsigned comment added by R1334w (talk • contribs) 17:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Origin of the word?
The article needs some information about the origins of the word. Assuming the word is authentic Latin and not a neologism: When did it acquire the sexual connotations it has today, and how was it used before that? SpectrumDT (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I'll add what's in the OED in just a sec. Carl.bunderson (talk) 04:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Someone has proposed merging Female dominance into this article.

✅ as consensus appears to support merger. Polly Tunnel (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Support merge and free this title up for potential articles about social organization in various animal species. A lot has been published about "female dominance", and not the BDSM type.  Lemurs are a classic example. –  Maky  « talk » 07:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support merge. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 15:03, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support merge – the Female Dominance article is now effectively just a stub concerned with BDSM. It makes little sense on its own. Polly Tunnel (talk) 14:35, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Support merge Houdinipeter (talk) 02:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Major source cited is self-published eBook that lacks scholarly integrity
"The History & Arts of the Dominatrix" seems to be a self-published eBook on Amazon. It reads more like a long blog than scholarly work and takes wild liberties interpreting Mesopotamian literature and art.

The repeated use of "The History & Arts of the Dominatrix" as a cited source in this Wikipedia article undermines the integrity of this article and allows it to contain misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boudiccalicious (talk • contribs) 17:47, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

The book 'The History & Arts of the Dominatrix' is well-regarded and has received positive academic reviews.

What is the alleged 'misinformation' you are concerned about?, as all her references seem to be meticulous and check out. It seems like you may have scanned the sample beginning of the e-book rather than seen the whole book, which is overall excellent by anyone's standards. It's been well-reviewed academically and recommended for academic libraries. See: http://www.bookverdict.com/details.xqy?uri=Product2014-03-15-6049845.xml

I note your concern that it is self-published but would highlight that so is almost every book on BDSM. (Janet Hardy & Jay Wiseman publish their books through their own Greenery Press etc, 'SM101' self-published book, 'The Bottoming Book' and 'The Topping Book' are self-published. Gloria Brame's book 'Different Loving' is self-published, etc)

The reason vitually all BDSM titles are self-published is that mainstream publishers don't publish BDSM non-fiction books, only erotica. So the criteria for resources needs to be regard within the industry, industry magazines, and academic / sociological reviews. -Scholarlyfemme (talk) 14:21, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

The Dominatrix in Print and Other Media
"The Dominatrix in Print and Other Media", cited in the External Links section, is an important bit of Usenet/BDSM history, but has sadly disappeared from the Web at place we have linked. The Internet Archive has excluded it from searching, presumably by request of the site maintainers, and I can't find another source for it that looks reasonably authoritative.

The original document, which dates back to at least 1996, isn't completely lost, as it should be possible to find on any of a number of Usenet archives. -The Anome (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hey, there is literally no circumstance where "Dominatrix" would not be taken as a pejorative if you applied it to a women in a leadership role and whomever is claiming this needs to cite why they think a term used in 1961 pulp pornography (as per the even agreed on article) is appropriate as a larger default. Try calling female politicians, business leaders and see how far that gets you. further, Domninatrix tends to be exclusively used in common vernacular for not just a female dominant, but one doing sex work- the bizarrely derided kinksters/scenesters who do not receive payment for services generally prefer "domme or femdom". Less commonly they use "dom" ungendered as one might "actor" as the gender neutral.

Domina, Mistress and so forth are also titles, generally linked to specific communities or personal preference. It would be more accurate to have "Dominatrix" refer to female dominance than the other way around, and Dominatrix is not the agreed on term by all women, professional or not, who identify as dominant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.132.55 (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Image copyright
The second image appears to be a stock image being sold by Alamy: http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-ostra-studio-violin-student-140315279.html and may not be in the public domain. 62.205.69.224 (talk) 00:17, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Having has a quick look, Alamy are also selling this image from 1902, which is clearly in public domain. It would appear that one of their contributors has scanned over two million old postcards or whatever and uploaded them to Alamy. Searching their database would be easier than searching a thousand boot fairs and antique stores. It doesn't mean they own the image, (but they don't tell you that), just that they have that image in a downloadeable form, should you wish to pay them to down load it. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 08:54, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Dominatrix is the wrong general term for a woman who is dominant
Although still favoured by professionals, both domme and femdom are the more common uses in English, with, as is even cited in this article, the focus here being a bit confusing. It's understandable that there are a lot of issues with getting information on non-pros, but it ends up tilting the article hard towards talking about the pro side of things.

This should either split off to focus entirely on the job, which running back into the Enlightenment, includes a lot more sources that could be included, or change the overall heading. OMisspearl (talk) 04:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Female-led relationship
Female-led relationship (FLR) directs here. However, there is no reference to the form of interpersonal relationship, nor are there really the same thing. (There is often some cross-over though.). Thoughts on addressing this? Section here or separate article? Thanks. -- Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 22:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To add to the confusion; if in caps (e.g., "Female-Led Relationship") it redirects to Matriarchy which is at least closer.  Lower case redirects here.  Solutions?-- Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 22:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Expansion from BDSM Article
The BDSM article has a lot of useful information on Dominatrixes/Femdom that this article itself doesn't have. It would be useful to bring some of that over here. I know Wikipedia the expand by language templates, but is there a similar one for expanding an article through another article on English Wikipedia itself? JungleEntity (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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On March 30, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Votes for deletion/Hot 100 No. 1 Hits of 1952 for a record of the discussion. —Korath (Talk) 04:15, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

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Homaro Cantu

Homaro "Omar" Cantu Jr. (September 23, 1976 – April 14, 2015) was an American chef and inventor known for his use of molecular gastronomy. As a child, Cantu was fascinated with science and engineering. While working in a fast food restaurant, he discovered the similarities between science and cooking and decided to become a chef. In 1999, he was hired by his idol, Chicago chef Charlie Trotter. In 2003, Cantu became the first chef of Moto, which he later purchased.

Through Moto, Cantu explored his unusual ideas about cooking including edible menus, carbonated fruit, and food cooked with a laser. Initially seen as a novelty only, Moto eventually earned critical praise and, in 2012, a Michelin star. Cantu's second restaurant, iNG, and his coffee house, Berrista, focused on the use of "miracle berries" to make sour food taste sweet. He was working on opening a brewery called Crooked Fork at the time of his suicide in 2015.

In addition to being a chef, Cantu was a media personality, appearing regularly on TV shows, and an inventor. In 2010, he produced and co-hosted a show called Future Food. Through his media appearances, he advocated for an end to world hunger and thought his edible paper creation and the miracle berry could play a significant role in that goal. Cantu volunteered his time and money to a variety of charities and patented several food gadgets.

Early life
Cantu was born in Tacoma, Washington, on September 23, 1976. His father was a fabrication engineer and Cantu developed a passion for science and engineering at a young age. He disassembled the family lawn mower three times to learn how it worked, and his "Christmas gifts would wind up in a million pieces."

A self-described problem child, Cantu grew up in Portland, Oregon. From the age of six to nine, he was homeless. He would later credit the homelessness for his inspiration to make food and become a social entrepreneur. At the age of twelve, Cantu was nearly jailed for starting a large fire near his fathers house and began working at a fast food restaurant. Cantu later described the owner's purchase of a tandoori oven as spurring his interest in cooking. After he completed high school, Bill and Jan Miller, a couple who took in troubled teens, offered Cantu a place to live under the condition that he attend culinary school.

Cooking career
Cantu graduated from the Western Culinary Institute (now a Le Cordon Bleu School) and spent the next two years staging on the West Coast. After about 50 such two-week to one-month internships, he was ready for a paid job. One day in February 1999, he decided to try to get a job with his idol, Charlie Trotter. "I made it my life's goal to become a sous chef for Charlie Trotter," Cantu remarked. "I literally just flew out [to Chicago] one day with $300 in my pocket and no place to stay". Despite initially rebuffing Cantu as rude, Trotter agreed to an interview the following day and hired him. Cantu eventually worked his way up to become one of Trotter's sous chefs. On his days off, he began to explore new ways to prepare and present food.

In 2003, Cantu learned of a chef opening at a soon-to-open restaurant called Moto. The restaurant's backer, Joseph De Vito, initially suggested that the restaurant focus on Asian fusion. However, after Cantu cooked an elaborate seven-course meal featuring an exploding ravioli and a small table-top box that cooked fish, De Vito instead hired Cantu.

Upon Moto's opening in January 2004, guests were initially confused by the tasting menu's format and content, but the restaurant soon became notable for its experimentation: dishes included carbonated fruit, menus printed on edible paper using a conventional printer filled with edible ink, and fish and bread cooked from the inside out using a class IV laser. At weekly brainstorming sessions, Moto chefs were encouraged to explore and prototype new takes on ordinary food by discussing how they could change foods they ate that week.

Although the restaurant was sometimes criticized for "emphasiz[ing] cleverness over deliciousness", Moto earned a Michelin star in 2012. Chefs were also split, variously describing Cantu as a "faddish flavor of the month" or a "creative genius." Grant Achatz described Cantu as "an ambassador of creative food." Together with Achatz and Graham Elliot, Cantu helped earn Chicago a reputation as the center of the innovative food. Ferran Adria also praised Cantu as a chef with the capacity to explore "what is the limit–what is cooking, what is not cooking".

Cantu's second restaurant, iNG, focused on a concept he called "flavor-tripping" – the use of the "miracle berry" to make sour foods taste sweet. The restaurant lost money and was closed in the Spring of 2014. After iNG closed, Cantu opened a coffee house called Berrista focused around the same concept. At the time of his death, he was preparing to open a brewery/brewpub called Crooked Fork with his friend and former Moto manager Trevor Rose-Hamblin. In September 2016, Rose-Hamblin and another of Cantu's associates, Matthias Merges, opened the brewpub, now renamed Old Irving Brewing Company.

Cantu was also a prolific inventor, filing more than 100 patent applications, and signing deals with NASA and Whirlpool for use of his inventions. Inventions included new utensils, a polymer cooking box that allows food to continue cooking after it is removed from the heat source, and an edible printer he called the "food replicator" in homage to Star Trek. Cantu also converted Moto's office into a "state-of-the-art indoor farm to grow vegetables – complete with a vortex aerator". Pete Wells credited Cantu with pioneering the use of intellectual property licensing as a source of income for chefs.

Media personality
In 2007, Cantu appeared on Iron Chef America, defeating Masaharu Morimoto. In the episode, Cantu used a laser to caramelize edible packaging material, and liquid nitrogen to create beet (which was the secret ingredient) "balloons," among other innovations. He returned to the show in 2013, again facing off with Morimoto, this time in a battle of herring. He lost the rematch.

Also in 2007, Cantu was featured in the documentary series Unwrapped and on Dinner: Impossible. In 2009, his restaurant Moto was featured on Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations. He appeared on Good Morning America and twice on The Ellen DeGeneres Show. He was featured on Roadtrip Nation in season six and was twice a guest judge on Hell's Kitchen. Cantu was also featured in the At the Table with ... documentary series and the British science documentary series Horizon. He appeared on the November 27, 2011, episode of CNN's The Next List.

In 2010, Cantu produced and co-hosted a TV show called Future Food on Discovery's Planet Green.

Following his death in 2015, Director/Producer Brett A. Schwartz of StoryScreen directed and produced a feature-length documentary film called Insatiable: The Homaro Cantu Story (2016). Insatiable had its world premiere at SXSW (South By Southwest Film Festival) in March 2016.

Advocacy
Cantu said his mission was "changing the way humans perceive food." He saw his edible paper as a novelty to amuse customers, but also a way to combat world hunger. "My goal with this is to deliver food to the masses that are starving," he declared. "We give them something that's healthy, that has an indefinite shelf life and that is super cheap to produce." He also said it could be used as an alternative to MREs, on long space missions, or in refugee camps.

Cantu was also a prominent proponent of "miracle berries", which he believed could end hunger by allowing people to eat normally unpalatable food and end dependence on processed sugar. On Future Food, Cantu demonstrated this idea by spending a week on a diet of miracle berries and common weeds, grass, and leaves he found in his backyard. He would also regularly donate the berries to cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy to make food more palatable to them.

In 2013, Cantu founded the Trotter Project, a non-profit aimed at providing culinary education to students in poor neighborhoods. He donated up to 250 lunches a day to kids in the Old Irving Park neighborhood who picked them up at Berrista.

Death
On March 19, 2015, former Moto and iNG investor Alexander Espalin sued Cantu. Espalin alleged that Cantu had misused restaurant funds for personal use and to promote Cantu's cookbook. He also said he did not receive his share of Moto's profits and called for Cantu's ousting from Moto. After Cantu's death, his widow called the lawsuit frivolous and without basis. "It was just another case of someone trying to make a buck off of [Cantu] or take credit for his ideas." Earlier in March, Cantu's pastry chef, Claire Crenshaw, had left Moto to work at another restaurant. In April, Moto's executive chef, Richie Farina, announced plans to also leave the restaurant.

On April 14, 2015, Cantu's body was found hanging inside the building he was renovating into Crooked Fork on the Northwest Side of Chicago. After an autopsy on April 15, the Cook County medical examiner's office said the cause of death was asphyxiation by hanging and ruled it a suicide. Cantu did not leave a note and had no history of depression or mental illness.

Cantu's wife said they had had "one of the best conversations of our life the other night about how we were going to fight [Espalin]" and that everything seemed fine. Family friend and fellow chef Matthias Merges said Cantu seemed stressed in recent days, but was shocked by the news of Cantu's death. Architect Rachel Crowl, who designed Berrista and Crooked Fork, said Cantu "was an inventor at heart. Some people might say he was a little crazy, but it was crazy good, excited, positive, laughing. This would be the last thing I would have ever guessed for Omar."

His funeral was held April 17 at St. Viator Church in Chicago.

Personal life
Cantu and his family lived in the Old Irving Park neighborhood of Chicago. He had two daughters.

He was known for his generosity and positive attitude. The New York Times described him "almost compulsively giving [of] his money, his time, [and] his encouragement." Farina said nothing ever appeared to bother Cantu: "He had this persona around him of being Teflon. No matter what someone said, it didn't faze him. He almost seemed invincible."

Reputation and legacy
Cantu was described as a "celebrity chef" and his restaurants as "internationally renowned". In the 2013 guide, Fodor's described him as "a cult figure". He was considered more experimental than even other molecular gastronomers, challenging preconceived notions of what could be considered "food." Fellow chefs compared Cantu to Salvador Dalí or Willy Wonka; The New York Times called him the Buck Rogers of cuisine "blazing a trail to a space-age culinary frontier." A 2005 Fast Company article described Moto as "a temple for science-based gastronomy" and Cantu as "the classic mad scientist, a Stephen Hawking acolyte with a basement filled with gadgets, robots, and gazillions of inventions aching for just a little bit more time and attention." New York based chef Wylie Dufresne described Cantu as "an inventor who accidentally ended up as a chef and [was] returning to being an inventor". The host of Iron Chef described Cantu as the most "wildly original" contestant in the show's history. Food & Wine said his "gonzo innovations place[d] him among the shock troops of American cuisine".

Farina said Cantu had created a "very inspirational environment" at Moto to which he would "always stay connected". A Washington Post obituary said that Cantu had "turned cooking into alchemy through his playful and surprising brand of molecular gastronomy". Elliot said he hoped Cantu would be remembered for his vision to end hunger, saying "no other chef anywhere is thinking about those same kind of things."

Berrista and Moto remained closed for several days in honor of Cantu's memory. Moto reopened on April 18 with a special "celebration of (Cantu's) life" menu featuring contributions by 10–20 former Moto employees. Farina commented "The last thing he would want was for us not to be in the kitchen cooking ... We're going to continue to do what he taught us and what he would want." Although he still plans to leave Moto to start his own restaurant, Farina said he would continue to help out at Moto beyond his planned last day. Moto returned to its regular menu on April 21. In January 2016, Cantu's widow Katie McGowan announced the sale of Moto to the Alinea Group. McGowan, who inherited Moto after her husband's death, said that the sale was a "bittersweet decision" that came "after deep reflection of the lasting impact" her late husband Cantu had made with his innovative restaurant.

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Ginsu

Ginsu (pseudoword meant to evoke the idea of samurai heritage) is a brand of direct marketed knives. The brand is owned by the Douglas Quikut Division of Scott Fetzer, a Berkshire Hathaway Company. The brand was heavily promoted in the late 1970s and 1980s on U.S. television using infomercials characterized by hawker and hard sell pitch techniques. The commercials generated sales of between two and three million Ginsu sets between 1978 and 1984.

Early history
Ginsu knives are an evolution of a product line developed by the Clyde Castings Company. The company filed for a trademark on the Quikut name for use on carving knives, butcher knives, fruit knives, kitchen knives and can openers in 1921.

Quikut knives were heavily advertised in the U.S. and Canada as inexpensive, stainless steel, hollow ground knives with a lifetime guarantee. Other well known brands that used Quikut knives as promotional items including  Lipton Tea and  Oxydol.

Large national newspaper, magazine and radio campaigns were used to market Quikut as far back as the 1930s. A 1938 campaign resulted in orders for 922,000 units. A 1939 campaign included a print ad on the back cover of the Saturday Evening Post.

In 1968, Quikut Corporation added spot television to their marketing effort and hired Cinécraft Productions, a sponsored film studio in Cleveland, to make a series of Quikut TV spots. In 1949 Cinécraft made the first filmed infomercial – a 30-minute filmed commercial for the Natural Foods Institute promoting the Vitamix blender. The studio was an early producer of TV spots and made for TV programs.

The copy points used in the 1978 and later Ginsu commercials were used by Ron Popeil, the early TV marketer, in the 1950s. and the Cinécraft Quikut knife commercials produced in the 1960s. ...“Great Scott…a knife that cuts trees!” “And that’s not all.” “Well, What do you know? The other side of the knife is sharp enough for a professional meat cutter.” “The knife’s safeguard handle, beautifully finished in simulated ivory, is boil proof, dishwasher steam proof, and shatterproof.” “guaranteed for life by Quikut.” “The new forked tip, let’s you carve and serve with one hand.” “Yes, but how much? 69 cents! Where?”

The Ginsu brand
Because the brand name "Quikut" was said to lack panache, Ed Valenti, Barry Becher, and copywriter Arthur Schiff created a new brand name that alluded to the exceptional sharpness and durability of a Japanese sword. Ginsu commercials they created promoted “an amazing, low, low price!,” urging viewers to “Order now!” because “Operators are standing by,” and sweetened the pitch with the Ginsu trademark, “But wait, there’s more!” — was an inescapable staple of television in the 1970s. The brand also became a part of pop culture. Johnny Carson sometimes used the knives in his routines, and Jerry Seinfeld did a Ginsu bit on the “Tonight Show.”

Media scholar Robert Thompson, of Syracuse University, called the Ginsu advertising campaign "the pitch of all pitches." "Ginsu has everything a great direct-response commercial could have," said John Witek, a marketing consultant and author of Response Television: Combat Advertising of the 1980s. "Ginsu had humor, demonstration, and a precisely structured series of premium offers I call 'the lots-for-a-little approach'."

Valenti and Becher later repeated the advertising formula with other products such as the Miracle Slicer, Royal Durasteel mixing bowls, Vacufresh storage containers, the Chainge Adjustable Necklace, and Armourcote Cookware. TV pitchmen Billy Mays and Vince Offer employed the hard-sell informercial to great success in more contemporary times.

While the name Ginsu was invented by Becher, Becher later (satirically) told an interviewer the word translates to, "I never have to work again." In April 2009, a stretch of road in Warwick, Rhode Island, which passes the office of Ed Valenti, was named "Ginsu Way."

The knife brand gained notoriety in 1993 when Lorena Bobbitt used a Ginsu kitchen knife to sever her husband's penis while he slept.

Company ownership
In the 1940s Clyde Castings Company changed their company name to the Quikut Corporation.

In early 1964 the Quikut Corporation merged with an automotive company to become Douglas Quikut. Later in 1964 the firm was purchased by the Scott & Fetzer Company a holding company that wanted to use the company's plastic molding capabilities to manufacture parts for its Oreck and Kirby lines of vacuum cleaners. Quikut continued as a brand name under the Quikut Division of Scott & Fetzer.

In 1986 Scott & Fetzer was purchased by Berkshire Hathaway of Omaha, NE, an insurance holding company and the Quikut and Ginsu brand knife production moved to a new plant in Walnut Ridge, Arkansas in 1972.

In 2013, Consumer Reports reviewed the Ginsu Chikara knife set in their comparison of fifty knife sets and rated it as their "Best Buy."

In 2022 Ginsu expanded beyond knives and launched a Kamado grill in a partnership with MyDIY Center.

In 2023, Ginsu knives were still manufactured and sold by Douglas Quikut and the Quikut brand is sometimes used as well. The company also manufactures ReadiVac and American Angler brands.

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Talk:George Meany

Needs work
I haven't tackled this article, because I favor wholesale revisions over incremental changes, but it needs work. In addition to fleshing out the Lovestone/AIFLD discussion, which needs more detail, the article also needs to address the AFL-CIO's position within the Democratic Party during his tenure, its stance on civil rights and affirmative action, the anti-corruption campaign and organizational issues within the AFL-CIO. The reference to UE and the RWDSU seems out of place too; that's CIO history, from a few years before Meany succeeded Green, and not worth including in this article. Italo Svevo 04:20, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd temporarily disagree that events prior to 1952 are outside the scope of a Meany biography. The CIO stuff is out of place, sure. But William Green's health was so poor in the last four or five years of his life that Green had turned day-to-day operation of the AFL over to Meany. From what I can ascertain from a surface reading of just a few sources, Meany's presidency really began a half-decade prior to his actual presidency. - Tim1965 22:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm no expert. I just came to the page in search of a quote I recalled and was shocked at the brevity and sketchiness of the page. This was a guy whose face was on the nightly news and whose name was on the front page of the papers pretty much daily for decades. He had huge power and influence. Google turns up a single quotation (the one about what plumbers charge) for a man who had a great deal to say and often said it well and memorably. The specific quote I was looking for (and I hope it ends up on this page if anyone can track it down) was to the effect that he didn't care if a [specific boondoggle of a cost-overrun military plane] rolled out of the Boeing factory and straight into the ocean as long as building it kept 50,000 of his union members employed (bad paraphrase fifty-some years after the fact). Dmargulis (talk) 00:50, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Upgraded importance
I'm upgrading the importance to high. Meany's presidency marks the beginning of the "modern" AFL and AFL-CIO, and his actions and policies led directly to the events of the Kirkland presidency and the 1995 Sweeney revolt. There are superb biographies and other sources out there about Meany's presidency, and there is no reason why this shouldn't be a priority. - Tim1965 22:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Jefferson Cowie, author of Stayin' Alive: The 1970s and the Last Days of the Working Class, say that Meany's decision not to support McGovern was the turning point in the relationship between Labor and the Left in the US. Almost universally the Labor and the Left wing in politics are allies -- sometimes they are just about indistinguishable.  With the McGovern candidacy in the US, however, the Left and the Labor movement had a messy divorce and this unusual situation is still with us 40 years later.  (See Cowie's Salon interview.)

 * By this light Meany emerges as one of the shapers of the modern political landscape -- an extremely important man. --Jeffreykegler (talk) 01:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

 * I removed this tirade. We have policies about due weight, NPOV, and reliable sources. The Monthly Review Press and New Left Books/Verso don't meet the standards of reliable sources. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 12:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Tenure
Meany was a great believer in cooperation of labor and capital. During his presidency, the AFL and then the AFL-CIO supported anticommunist policies. Trade-unions deemed leftist, including the United Electrical Workers and the Retail Wholesale and Department Store Employees of America, were dismissed from the CIO by the early 1950s. AFL-CIO unions then cooperated with employers to raid and decertify leftist unions. Meany was a strong advocate of the Vietnam War.

Meany was friends with Jay Lovestone, the former Communist Party USA official who became anti-communist. Lovestone established the Free Trade Union Committee (now known as the American Center for International Labor Solidarity) as the overseas organizing agent of the AFL. During Meany's tenure, Lovestone worked to establish non-communist and pro-American unions around the world. During the course of this work, the AFL collaborated with Latin American dictatorships against communist, radical, or opposition trade unions.

He is famous for having said toward the end of his tenure that he had "never walked a picket line in his life." He was succeeded by Lane Kirkland.

On December 6, 1963, he was presented with the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Lyndon Johnson.

Expansion
I have written a major expansion of this article in my sandbox and have just merged it. Comments and improvements are welcomed.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  04:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

 * I think that you did a fine job. You can see my from my edits specific concerns.
 * I would question the statement "he liked to boast that he never walked a picket line". Do we have citations where he said that 2 times? (In general, strikes are failures of communication/information. If one could predict the outcome of a strike, then both parties would have an incentive to reach that outcome by bargaining (and avoiding a strike). See the Handbook of Labor Economics, vol. 1 I believe, which has a chapter on strikes.) This is something said with disdain/contempt by New Leftists, of course. Does it really belong in an encyclopedia article? Is it so important?
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz 09:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

 * The presentation of Meany as an apologist for capital is one-sided. There are plenty of discussions where Meany identifies himself as a social democrat or democratic socialist: See the quotation in Michael Harrington's Socialism for example. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 10:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)  There is a discussion with quotations of [Michael [Harrington]]'s various views on Meany in the SDUSA criticism of Harrington, after he resigned in 1973, in the article posted by Carrite (and a great librarian!).  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 15:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions
Should possibly mention in some way that Meany kind of inaugurated the bureaucratic phase of labor unionism in the United States, with a strong emphasis on consolidating and institutionalizing gains already made, but relatively little focus on explaining larger goals (beyond immediate improvements in working conditions and wages), relatively little attempt to reach out to new populations of workers not included in the traditional unions, and relatively little emphasis on explaining to the increasing number of people who considered themselves to be solidly middle class why unions were still relevant to them. That was a part of why U.S. unions as a whole went into a strong decline beginning right around the time he resigned/died...

Also, Meany was not a neanderthal for opposing gay marriage in 1972 (an issue which very few people took seriously at that time). AnonMoos (talk) 15:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Hi AnonMoos,
 * Like your name!
 * Gompers built the AFL to survive in the inhospitable U.S., where the ship of socialism ran aground on shoals of roast beef and mashed potatoes. I've never read any RS refer Meany as the originator of what is often called "business unionism" by Marxists. I can take you on a tour of closed auto-plants in the MidWest to suggest at least one alternative explanation of decline in unions (!) Adam Przeworski had a student, Goldfeld I think, who found more political explanations.
 * You are welcome to draft additions, based on in-line citations to reliable sources, here, and get feedback. Cullen328 has improved the article to B-level now, and so we should be careful to document additions with reliable sources.
 * Thanks, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 19:13, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

 * I meant that little was done to expand union support or membership beyond the the traditional hard-core base, so that when this base was eroded by the decline in U.S. manufacturing etc., there was no plan B, and the trajectory of union numbers was pretty much constantly downhill from that time on. Obviously Meany couldn't have single-handedly reversed overall long-term economic and political trends, but it seems like a lot more could have been done in other ways to at least lessen the decline somewhat, with a little bit of imagination and willingness to work with various groups. I'm only going on what I remember reading in the 1980s (would have no idea how to re-find what I remember reading back then)... AnonMoos (talk) 20:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Since Sweeney took office, the AFL-CIO increased the resources devoted to organizing and partisan electoral-campaigns (and not spending them on other member services). Has that made a dent in the decline of unionization? Slowed it, even? Have the member unions just shifted the burden of organizing to the confederation? Goldfeld found that management opposition to unions became more intense, on top of and perhaps even more important than deindustrialization.  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 21:16, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK?
Cullen328, you should suggest a "hook" for a Did You Know? I'll nominate it for you, if you haven't had experience.

BTW, somebody should review the DYK nomination for Constantinos A. Patrides,
 * Did you know
 * ... that Constantinos A. Patrides, the author of Milton and the Christian tradition, earned a medal for heroism for his boyhood service with the Greek Resistance against the German Occupation?

a Renaissance scholar who (as a boy) ran messages for the Greek Resistance against the Axis Occupation of Greece, so earning a heroism medal from the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 21:19, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * How about: Did you know that AFL-CIO president George Meany described his trade union federation's stand on the Vietnam war as "neither hawk nor dove nor chicken" in 1967?

 * I would be grateful if you would make the DYK nomination. I understand that folks are expected to review some nominations, and I am not quite sure what that entails.  Perhaps you could give me a few tips for the future.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  21:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Lead
Kiefer Wolfowitz, I plan to reduce the length of the lead. I am not aware that the AFL was ever a part of the World Federation of Trade Unions. I thought they had boycotted it from its founding. Am I wrong?  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  21:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I may have been wrong. Continue flying your eagle course! Kiefer .Wolfowitz 08:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Mike Quill
This is cited properly, but is it really worth putting in a short biography of Meany?

"Mike Quill of the Transport Workers Union of America also fought the merger, saying that it amounted to a capitulation to the "racism, racketeering and raiding" of the AFL. " Why not quote other Communists, recently former Communists, and Trotskyists? Much as I like the Transit Workers of NYC, this is hardly a national labor leader. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 08:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Quill broke with the Communist Party in 1948, well before the AFL-CIO merger. The TWU by the 1940s was clearly a national union affiliate of the CIO, representing transit workers in many cities other than New York. I chose to quote Quill because he was the president of TWU for many years, and a close ally of New York mayor Robert F. Wagner, Jr. at the time of the merger. I don't think he can be so easily dismissed.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Preliminary thoughts on GA potential
This article appears to me very close to ready for GA--close enough that you could go ahead and nominate it right now. The sourcing and writing both look good and this seems likely to cover the "main aspects".

A few suggestions:
 * Ideally, the lead should touch on each section of the article. I'm also not sure I see a citation for "reputation for personal integrity" later on in the body, but I may have missed it--I'm working very quickly. (Perhaps it can be inferred by the Hoffa conflict?)
 * Try to reduce the number of very short sections and one-paragraph sentences per WP:LAYOUT. (part of criterion 1b)
 * "New Politics" needs DAB
 * The bare URL for ref 29 should be filled out. Technically, a bare URL isn't a problem for GA status, but if it goes dead and has no other information, it's no longer considered verifiable, and GA status could be revoked.

Thanks for your work on this important figure! -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

1972 Presidential election
Maybe this is not the best place to ask this, but I recall a political cartoon of Nixon and McGovern playing chess. Meany had just flipped over the board throwing pieces everywhere. This came out right after meany had announced he was not supporting either candidate. I have been looking for this and thought it might be a nice addition to the article. Anyone have suggestions where to find it? Jokem (talk) 15:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Improving this article further
Noting here the changes I made to the article, mainly to add in some of the biographical and other sources, plus some more 'legacy' material. Pinging User:Cullen328, as the following would help take the article forward further: The latter four are part of the bibliography recommended by Brody. Carcharoth (talk) 20:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Meany, George by David Brody from American National Biography
 * Joseph C. Goulden, Meany: The Unchallenged Strong Man of American Labor (1972)
 * Archie Robinson, George Meany and His Times (1981)
 * Philip Taft, The AFL from the Death of Gompers to the Merger (1959)
 * Robert H. Zieger, American Workers, American Unions, 1920-1985 (1986)
 * Thank you very much for your work to improve this article, . Cullen328  Let's discuss it  02:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. I managed to read the article several times and not see this error, which someone else was kind enough to point out to me. Amazing how easy it is to miss things like that (it was only present from 6 July). Carcharoth (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

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Cartoon
I recall a political cartoon appearing about the time Meany announced he would not support Nixon or McGovern. Caricatures of Nixon and McGovern were sitting opposite each other with a chessboard between them. Shows Meany walking away confidently with the chessboard behind him, flipped over. I thought that might be a useful addition to the article, but I cannot find it anywhere. I wonder if someone here has better resources? Jokem (talk) 04:52, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , not only would you need to find this cartoon, but it must also be either freely licensed under an acceptable Creative Commons license, or it must be in the public domain. Plus, there must be independnt commentary about the cartoon. Good luck. Cullen328 (talk) 05:03, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I have already tried to find this with no luck. I was hoping someone here might have a clue.  Jokem (talk) 03:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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Manga for everyone?
I know this is listed as a "seinen" title, but is it true that the audience for it is mainly girls? Something about the art style seems to suggest it. 124.33.97.18 18:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know! It looks interesting but I don't want kids laughing at me while I read it on the train. Dekimasu 02:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I personally think this is a manga for anybody to enjoy. If you want to read it, read it.  I read it and enjoy it myself and see nothing that would lead me to believe it's favored towards boys or girls.  --Sir VG 04:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Young Magazine, the Magazine that it is published in is a magizine primarily read by men in their late teens and early 20s. While I believe that this manga has a larger female fanbase, it can easily be assumed that men are the target. I am not convinced that this is a Seinen manga. I could have sworn it was shojo... - 69.244.100.206 (talk) 03:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A series' demographic is determined by the magazine it's serialized in, not the audience it is (or is perceived to be) intended for. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 22:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

xxxHolic OSTs?
Does xxxHolic have any OSTs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.4.151.195 (talk) 18:54, April 17, 2007 (UTC)
 * This page is not for discussion of "xxxHolic", it is for discussion of the "xxxHolic" article. Please direct your question somewhere where it is more appropriate.  Thank you.  :-)  -- HiEv 05:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

And, yes, it does. They should be listed, but are not. 195.194.75.209 (talk) 14:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hitsuzen and Butterflies
Hitsuzen seems to be a concept that comprises causality, fate and destiny and so on. I'm just wondering whether it could also include the concept of the BUTTERFLY EFFECT. Somehow it seems related to Yuko's direct/indirect intervention on the wishes of her customers and situations going on in different plots throughout the Clampverse as I quote, "A result which can only be obtained by a single causality, and other causalities would necessarily create different results." It mirrors the Butterfly Effect concept. Or I could be overreaching. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.203.32 (talk) 23:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's hard to say because at other times she also mentions about how things are destined to happen, like when Watanuki first came to her store. It sounds to me more like the meetings of individuals is destined, but the choices they make might not be. Of course I could be seeing it wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinnai (talk • contribs) 20:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that differs significantly from the concept of the Butterfly Effect, which proposes causality at the hands of random chaotic events, no matter how insignificant. Not only does Yuko's use of the butterfly fit more with her concepts of gradual metamorphosis, but also, it would conflict with her own concepts of hitsuzen, in which there is only one way things can turn out, whereas chaos theory gives the idea that anything can cause great change, no matter what.  And as for a Wiki page, it would be speculation at best, and Wiki standards do not allow for speculation and OR.  For those reasons, I don't think it should be added to the Butterfly Effect.Luminum (talk) 07:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur. The general difference between the two is that Hitsuzen likens itself to inevitability.  Events happen because there is no other outcome that could have happened.  It is closer to destiny than causality, but without the general "invisible guiding hand" that destiny implies.  Butterfly Effect seems to be more causality.  If you put a drop of water on the very top of a pyramid shape, the Butterfly Effect would state that small instances of how it starts will determine which way it will slide down.  Hitsuzen would more likely state that the mere choice of placing it atop that shape means it will end up at the bottom. StryyderG (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hitsuzen is discussed to a certain degree in a translation note in one of the first few volumes of Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle. That discussion could be used in the article, but not any conclusions you may draw concerning hitsuzen on this talk page (I'll have to see if I can find that translation note and then post it here for you). 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * "Hitsuzen. A naturally foreordained event. A state in which other outcomes are impossible. A result which can only be obtained by a single causality, and other causalities would necessarily create different results.", as defined by Yūko Ichihara in the first volume of xxxHolic, as well as the translation notes provided in the first volume of Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle. Furthermore, as provided by Haruka Dômeki in the tenth volume of xxxHolic, "It means that everything that happens has a meaning..." If necessary, I can provide the full quote, though it's rather convoluted and redundant. Finally, the purpose for Yūko's connection with butterflies is introduced in the twelfth volume of xxxHolic, though I'm hesitant to quote the scene as it will spoil the plot. Again, I can provide the quote if necessary, but for now I will concede that it pertains to a concept of Taoism. -thb 02:13, 09 April 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.226.216.252 (talk)
 * For reference, if you add content into the article, you have to reference it and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so "spoilers" are irrelevant.Luminum (talk) 16:39, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Tie Ins with non-Clamp series
While there is no real tie in with non-clamp related work, almost no chapter, and certainly no volume, goes without at least one reference to another non-clamp, usually older anime or manga. Considering Del Ray even goes to the extent in the back of their books to help point these out the reader I think some mention of them should be in. And this is almost as major part of the theme as the other references, though not sure if a it should be in the Tie In subsection or a new section should be added. We do not have to mention any of them specifically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinnai (talk • contribs) 08:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

butterfly effect
I removed: Hitsuzen has been mentioned in Cardcaptor Sakura by Kaho Mizuki as she remarks that "there are no coincidences, only hitsuzen"

because it doesn't really seem relevant, and

It could also be interpreted as a form of determinism or a more pro-active form of the butterfly effect concept. More probably it might be an amalgam of those concepts.

because it's unsourced and I believe the author is using "butterfly effect" incorrectly. The butterfly effect specifically refers to a very minor change in cause creating an enormous variation in effect. Determinism or causality would be a better fit here, but since that would be both redundant and unsourced I just removed the line. Meliadoul (talk) 18:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Which Egg, which person?
"in episode 11, the egg given to Watanaki by Yuuko is the same egg retrived by Sakura from the caves in Tokyo Revelations OVA."

Perhaps my brain's a little scrambled (no pun originally intended), but I thought the egg that Yuuko gave to Watanuki (that would hatch into Tanpopo) was the one she received from Infinity -Sakura gave up her luck, and it turned into an egg! The egg that she received from Acid Tokyo, Yuuko gave to Doumeki!

I'll try and get round to looking into it, see if I'm actually wrong on that!

T3021 (talk) 01:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

HOLiC UK Release
Although there is no information on Manga Entertainment's website, they have technically confirmed that the first part of HOLiC is to be released, on 27 October 2008, in their August Newsletter:

The Mangazette 27.08.08 Issue: 37

As I didn't look at the address originally, I thought it was from someone who had hosted it on imageshack, and so I didn't use this as a reference, using UK Anime Net instead!

T3021 (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Lead section
I came to this page because a friend wanted to explain this series to me. However, I noticed there's a glaring deficiency: nowhere in the lead section does it say what the series is actually about. Someone needs to rectify this. Explain the premise in one or two sentences, that's all. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Holic redirect.
There is a game called Holic or Holic Online by Mgame/Netgame. Holic however automaticly redirects to xxxHolic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 10:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it at all related to Xxxholic? Cause if it isn't we should just have that redirect deleted.  -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 12:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * More appropriate would be to see about turning it into a disambiguation page - there has to be more than just xxxHolic (this page), Holic (the game mentioned above), -holism (addiction), and Holism (the idea that a system is more than just the sum of its parts). 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't find any reliable sources covering Holic Online, I'm thinking perhaps this isn't that big of an issue. I vote we do nothing, but I'm willing to reconsider though.  -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 21:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

archiving
I archived much of the older discussions on the page (2007 and before with no newer comments). Anything doing with the naming controversy I have archived separately so that it is easily accessible. じん ない  09:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hitsuzen as a concept
This article speaks of hitsuzen as if it's some special concept (without any citations might I add), but it's just a normal Japanese word that really does seem to just translate to "inevitability." According to the Meikyo Kokugo Jiten 必然 means 「必ずそうなること. それ以外にはなりようがないこと. 」 ("Something that must be so. Something that wouldn't be able to be any other way."). The Digital Daijiten gives a similar definition: 「必ずそうなること. それよりほかになりようのないこと. また、そのさま. 」 ("Something that must be so. Something for which there seems to be no alternative.  Also, the state of being so."). This is corroborated by Wiktionary JP's definition of 「必ずそのようになること. 」 ("Something that must be so.").

I am not a translator; my Japanese isn't even that good, but it seems to me like the whole bit about 必然 being untranslatable and a fundamentally different concept from any English equivalent is much ado about nothing. Am I missing something here? Reki (talk) 21:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're probably pretty much right. Hitsuzen as used in the manga might have some special connotation beyond its regular definition (and could thus be more difficult to satisfactorily translate), but it's far from "untranslatable". 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 16:56, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I chalk it up to some undue sort of "reverence" to foreign concepts or languages. But most likely this is triggered by the English publication's uses of "hitsuzen" rather than translating it to something like "destiny."  I also think there was a translator's notes about the word and the interpretation of meaning in the same volume.  Though Chinese and Japanese characters differ in ways ranging from not at all to massively, when I presented the character for Hitsuzen to my mother, her response was that she didn't understand what the big deal was, as all it meant was something that has to happen, like "it must be done" or a key "must" be turned to start the car.Luminum (talk) 17:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, there was a translator's note discussing "hitsuzen" in an early volume of Tsubasa (possibly vol. 1), but I've been lazy about finding it again. I have no idea if there's a similar note in any volume of xxxHolic (but given that Del Rey is doing both series, it wouldn't surprise me). 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

 * It may be that they felt that the words like "destiny" might not be strong enough, after all their are plenty of fictional works where someone fights off their "destiny". Inevitability/Inevitable probably just didn't sound that good. Ultimately this would be something we'd need Del Ray to officially comment on as to why. じん  ない  21:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

 * The first time Yūko mentions hitsuzen, she defines it. Yūko has a habit of inserting dictionary quotes into her speech, and this is hers for hitsuzen: ""Hitsuzen"... A naturally fore-ordained event. A state in which other outcomes are impossible. A result which can only be obtained by a single causality, and other causalities would necessarily create different results. So reads... ...the Kodansha Japanese Desk Dictionary, Second Edition." as printed in xxxHoLic volume 1, Tanoshimi edition (which are basically the Del Rey editions reprinted on worse quality paper, with no colour pages). And "『必然（ヒツゼン）』 当然そうあるべきこと. 　それ以外の在り方では、在り得ないごと. 　ある現象からそうあるより他にありようのない他の現象が起こること. 　以上　講談社・国語辞典デスク版第二版より" from the Kodansha Deluxe Version, First Edition. Akata (talk) 04:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Slight change in name.
The recent scans of xxxHolic from Japan show that xxxHolic has had a slight name change to "xxxHolic Rō", which seems to have been added and then reverted back in the article.(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XxxHolic&diff=prev&oldid=314556888)

While it isn't precisely a sequel, (more like a name change to indicate changes in the series) shouldn't it be important enough to add in somewhere in the article? (I have no idea on how or where to add it.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.226 (talk) 08:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was the one who reverted its addition, because I don't keep up with the manga (not because I don't want to, but my library system is missing volumes and I don't skip volumes when I read series T_T ), so I had no idea the name changed. User:Akata explained this to me on my talk page, but nothing else has come of it so far. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of xxxHOLiC and Tsubasa
In volume 13, at the last chapter, Mokona the black says to Yuko: "Does it mean that time and space are beginning to crumble?" She agrees. I have to say this must be CLAMP's excuse why Tsubasa and xxxHOLiC are not up in the same pace. Technically, xxxHOLiC starts off just a bit earlier than Tsubasa. When it comes to volume 9 of xxxHOLiC, Tsubasa has already elapsed to 18 and 19 chapters, as said by the translator's note about Sakura being in dreams. This may be the case, but it may also end up being vice versa, but that's highly unlikely also. Peroxideprince (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Translator's note?

Anyway, Tsubasa shows in places that among different worlds time flows differently. One feather lost by Sakura just days or weeks ago after transferring into another world hundreds of years had elapsed in that world's time before the Tsubasa group arrived. That quote about "Time and Space" links to somewhere about volume 24 or 25 in Tsubasa, I'm not sure exactly. Still, the two do cross over at the same relative time in both, just a lot less of xxxHoLic is published. In the two stories, events happen in both stories on chapters released in the same week in Japan, for example the chapters of Tsubasa and xxxHoLic featuring the 'magic words' were released on the same day in Japan, despite there being a difference in the volume numbers the two chapters are collected in. As such there is not a one-one correlation between the two volume-wise. The official known links up to Tsubasa volume 11 shown in the Caractère Guides are as such; Tsubasa 1 and xxxHoLic 1/2, T3&H3, T5/6&H4, T8&H5, T10&H6, T11&H7. Akata (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

More reception.
The Hooded Utilitarian a blog backed by The Comics Journal had a round table around xxxholic. see All the posts bottom post is the first one. Chronologicaly post by post

Comment Around 10 Comics/Manga RS critics/reviewers made a post or comment in this round table. --KrebMarkt 20:48, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

--KrebMarkt (talk) 07:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
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Plot for new series
I added this to the Plot section which was reverted by someone claiming 'original research'. I don't know if anyone else has been up to date in reading the mangas but I do feel what I wrote is rather apparent. I don't know if anyone else wants to add it in or write sometime different and more polished:

 * In the new manga series, we seem to have returned to an earlier time in the original story when Yuko was still alive. However, the noticeable absence of Mokona hints that this was an alternate universe and later it is revealed that the events so far are happening inside Watanuki's dreams. In the end when he realises this, Watanuki is given a choice whether to remain in his dreams and be with Yuko or awake back in the real world. He chooses to awake and bring back some items for Syaoran that he originally entered his dreams to retrieve.

--Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 22:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

 * The edit seems fine but I wouldn't add it to xxxHolic since it's another manga. Maybe more opinions from the wikiproject to see where can we add it.Tintor2 (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hey folks, with xXxHOLiC Rei turning four this year, maybe it should have its own page? What are your thoughts as far as how that could be a good or bad thing? My thoughts are that since it is a new series it should have its own page. I'm hesitant because it is a continuation of the original story within the time frame of the original story. ButterflyNebula (talk) 20:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure. From what I remember so far Rei didn't have a main plot and acted more like a spin-off of Ro. Also, in order to split it, we would need to make it pass WP:Notability which seems too hard considering it has not been licensed.Tintor2 (talk) 22:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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Changed Status
Hey everyone, I changed the status of XXXholic from ongoing to halted. As of issue 56 of xxxHolic:Rei CLAMP announced another "break" from the series. There is no info on when it will pick up again. ButterflyNebula (talk) 13:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Are there any others? Thinking a hidden category would be interesting for tracking them. ScratchMarshall (talk) 03:34, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

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Triquetrum (astronomy)

The triquetrum (derived from the Latin tri- ["three"] and quetrum ["cornered"]) was the medieval name for an ancient astronomical instrument first described by Ptolemy (c. 90) in the Almagest (V. 12). Also known as Parallactic Rulers, it was used for determining altitudes of heavenly bodies. Ptolemy calls it a "parallactic instrument" and seems to have used it to determine the zenith distance and parallax of the Moon.

Design
The triquetrum performed the same function as the quadrant and was devised to overcome the difficulty of graduating arcs and circles. It consisted of a vertical post with a graduated scale and two pivoted arms hinged at the top and bottom, the upper arm carrying sights. The two arms were joined so that their ends could slide. As a person sighted along the upper arm, the lower one changed its angle. By reading the position of the lower rod, in combination with the vertical length, the zenith distance (or, alternatively, the altitude) of a celestial object could be calculated.

Use
The triquetrum was one of the most popular astronomical instruments until the invention of the telescope, it could measure angles with a better precision than the astrolabe. Copernicus describes its use in the fourth book of the De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (1543) under the heading "Instrumenti parallactici constructio." The instrument was also used by Tycho Brahe in the same century.

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