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Edward M. Hundert

Edward M. Hundert is the Daniel D. Federman, M.D. Professor in Residence of Global Health and Social Medicine and Medical Education at Harvard Medical School, where he is also Associate Director of the Center for Bioethics at HMS. He was the HMS Dean for Medical Education from 2014 until 2023. Hundert is a member of the TIAA Board of Trustees of TIAA-CREF.

Early life and education
Born in Woodbridge Township, New Jersey, Hundert graduated from Yale University, summa cum laude, in 1978 with a degree in mathematics and the history of science and medicine, receiving Yale's annual Russell Henry Chittenden Prize “to the graduating senior with highest standing in mathematics and the natural sciences.” He attended Oxford University as a Marshall Scholar, earning a degree in philosophy, politics, and economics in 1980. He received his M.D. in 1984 from Harvard Medical School, where he remained to do his residency training in psychiatry at McLean Hospital.

Professional
Hundert has spent most of his professional career at Harvard Medical School. Following residency training, he was appointed Director of Postgraduate and Continuing Medical Education at McLean Hospital and became involved in the development of the Harvard's New Pathway Curriculum. He then served as Associate Dean for Student Affairs at Harvard Medical School from 1990 to 1997. He left Harvard for nine years in his 40s, spending 5 years at the University of Rochester, where he served as Dean of the School of Medicine and Dentistry, and 4 years at Case Western Reserve University, where he served as president. He left Case in 2006 after the faculty members in arts and sciences voted overwhelmingly that they lacked confidence in him due to mounting deficits at the university and a management style that many faculty members said was secretive.

He returned to Harvard Medical School to lead a new curriculum in medical ethics and professionalism and to serve as Director of the Center for Teaching and Learning until 2014, when he was appointed Dean for Medical Education to lead the development of Harvard's Pathways curriculum.

Publications
Hundert's articles on education, ethics, psychiatry, and philosophy have appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the American Journal of Psychiatry, Academic Medicine, Psychiatry, Medical Education, and the Journal of Clinical Ethics. His books include Philosophy, Psychiatry and Neuroscience: Three Approaches to the Mind (Oxford University Press, 1989) and Lessons from an Optical Illusion: On Nature and Nurture, Knowledge and Values (Harvard University Press'', 1995).

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Talk:Wack Pack

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2017
Under "deceased" wack pack members, you list Irene DeCook (The Leather Weather Lady). She is my aunt. She is very much alive. 73.190.20.21 (talk) 03:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Irene DeCook aka Leather Weather Lady is NOT DEAD
She's my mother and alive. Check her facebook page ffs. https://www.facebook.com/irene.decook

Irene DeCook is alive and well. Darladetroit (talk) 03:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Irene DeCook (Leatherweather Lady) is not dead.Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2017
My name is Irene DeCook (Leatherweather Lady). I was notified that I am listed as dead on this site. What proof do you require of me? Leatherweather (talk) 21:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please provide a reliable source to support that Irene the Leather Weather Lady (Irene De Cook) is a current Wack Pack member. The listings in the article appear to be questionable as they are, and they will (accordingly) undergo review by other editors. JustBerry (talk) 00:06, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2017
I don't think that bigfoot link is correct ... 209.160.138.158 (talk) 14:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Irene DeCook "The Leather Weather Lady" is my mother and she's not dead.
I, and the rest of my family, are very upset that Irene DeCook is listed as dead, she's upset about it herself and even tried to send an edit request which was ignored. She's on facebook if that helps, as well as the rest of our family.

https://www.facebook.com/irene.decook https://www.facebook.com/darlacet (daughter) https://www.facebook.com/julia.decook (niece) https://www.facebook.com/willie.decook (brother) And there's more.

I've contacted wikipedia about this fallacy as well. Please fix this asap.

Darlacet (talk) 14:42, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I have removed the entry from the list. Please see my reply at the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. De728631 (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2017
Please delete Joey Boots from the Deceased Wack Packers list because he is already included in the "Not Wack Pack Material" list, which explicitly states that those on the list are "excluded by Stern and his staff from the Wack Pack." Sptm1983 (talk) 04:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I oppose this. The "Deceased" section includes a number of reliable references where Joey Boots is identified as Wack Packer by the media. I think it's good practice to credit those unofficial persons as well while the "official" list only contains the ones selected by Stern and staff. De728631 (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. --  Dane  talk  20:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

There are two different Bigfoots
I don't get why that is so hard to understand. Matthew McGrory was the original Bigfoot, he died in 2005, and Mark Shaw is the current Bigfoot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.193.141 (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2017
Deceased Wack Packers
 * Nicole Bass Pipe dreams (talk) 14:46, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Seems to have been done already. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:35, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

"Elegant" Elliot Offen
If there ever was a person that embodies wackiness. Should definitely be added Patacón (talk) 15:41, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2017
Under the "Not whack pack material" section please change Bobo (Steve from Florida, Steve Bowie) to Bobo (Steve from Florida, Steve Bowe)

He has mentioned numerous times on the show his last name is spelled Bowe, despite it being pronounced "Bowie"

Shevchenko7cfc (talk) 02:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sparkling Pessimist   Scream at me!  03:19, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Here is an article straight from Howard Stern's website describing the exact change I'd like to make.

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2019
Change "Steve Bowie" to "Steve Bowe," the correct spelling. While it is spelled without the letter I, Steve indeed pronounces it "Bowie." See this:

http://www.marksfriggin.com/news17/1-16.htm Mattr1970 (talk) 14:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: marksfriggin.com appears to be a fansite. Please provide a reliable source that supports your edit request. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 19:11, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2019
High Register Sean is missing from the list of current wack packers. WBJ71 (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 15:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Howard said that he is a wack packer on air, and that his name could not be changed even though Sean doesn't like it, because "None of the Wack Packers like their names".

https://www.howardstern.com/show/2019/5/15/audio-high-register-sean-teaches-howard-about-dog-men-and-dangers-they-pose/ "AUDIO: High Register Sean Teaches Howard About ‘Dog Men’ and the Dangers They Pose “They are nefarious creatures … they don’t have souls,” the Wack Packer claims" Not sure why people who don't even listen to the show are in charge of this.
 * Yes check.svg Done  Orville talk 17:17, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Please see response above.  Orville talk 17:17, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Hershel Walker
Hershel Walker’s addition to the Wack Pack. On November 9th 2022 Howard stated “well now he is” when asked about how Hershel walker wasn’t a Wack Packer. 70.50.80.213 (talk) 05:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Donald Trump
How is trump not on the list with marianne and ham hands bill. He's as much in the wack pack as Nicole Bass, for sure. 2601:182:C00:7D50:EDDE:F913:DF79:B24 (talk) 18:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2024
Debbie the Pet Lady should be added. See official Stern Show Twitter account: https://x.com/sternshow/status/191839360713359360?s=20 2601:84:C700:4E30:B891:DD3C:4C5E:717B (talk) 06:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rehsarb (talk) 12:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Dungeon (video game)

Dungeon was one of the earliest role-playing video games, running on PDP-10 mainframe computers manufactured by Digital Equipment Corporation.

History
Dungeon was written in either 1975 or 1976 by Don Daglow, then a student at Claremont University Center (since renamed Claremont Graduate University). The game was an unlicensed implementation of the new tabletop role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) and described the movements of a multi-player party through a monster-inhabited dungeon. Players chose what actions to take in combat and where to move each character in the party, which made the game very slow to play by today's standards. Characters earned experience points and gained skills as their "level" grew, as in D&D, and most of the basic tenets of D&D were reflected.

Daglow wrote in 1988, "In the mid-seventies I had a fully functioning fantasy role-playing game on the PDP-10, with both ranged and melee combat, lines of sight, auto-mapping and NPC's with discrete AI." Although the game was nominally played entirely in text, it was also the first game to employ line of sight graphics displays. Its use of computer graphics consisted of top-down dungeon maps that showed the portions of the playfield the party had seen, allowing for light or darkness, the different "infravision" abilities of elves, dwarves, etc.

This advancement was possible because many university computer terminals had switched by the mid-1970s to CRT screens, which could be refreshed with text in a few seconds instead of a minute or more. Earlier games printed game status for the player on Teletype machines or a line printer, at speeds ranging from 10 to 30 characters per second.

While Dungeon was widely available via DECUS, it was picked up by fewer universities and systems in the mid-1970s than Daglow's earlier Star Trek video game had been in 1971, primarily because it took a then-significant 36K of system RAM versus 32K for Star Trek. Many schools viewed games as gimmicks to interest students in computers, but wanted only small, fast-play examples to minimize games' actual use to reserve time for math and science research and student use. As a result, the early-1970s' maximum size of 32K that many schools set as a limit on games had been downgraded on some campuses to as little as 16K.

Years later (ca. 1980) DECUS distributed another game named Dungeon, that was in fact a version of Zork, a text adventure game that would later become the model for early MUDs.

A third game called Dungeon was released on PLATO in 1975, by John Daleske, Gary Fritz, Jan Good, Bill Gammel, and Mark Nakada.

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Pareve

In kashrut, the dietary laws of Judaism, pareve or parve (from פאַרעוו for "neutral"; in Hebrew, parveh, or , stami) is a classification of edible substances that contain neither dairy nor meat ingredients. Food in this category includes all items that grow from the ground (fruits, vegetables, grains, etc.), fish (only Kosher fish), eggs, and non-biological edible items (such as water and salt).

Kashrut forbids consuming mixtures of milk and meat, consuming milk and meat at the same meal, consuming dairy foods within a period of time after consuming meat (the period varies by custom), and using the same dishes for both dairy and meat. Pareve foods, being neutral, can be consumed with either dairy or meat.

Laws
Eggs that have been laid are considered pareve because they are separate from the animal. But eggs found inside a bird after its slaughter are considered to be part of the animal and therefore have the status of meat. Commercially marketed eggs generally are not taken from slaughtered animals and therefore are pareve.

Kashrut requires that common bread must be made pareve, because bread is a staple food, and there is a strong chance one may forget that the bread contains dairy or meat ingredients. Bread need not be made pareve if it is made in an unusual shape or consumed on the same day it is made. Even vegetarians are required to refrain from baking non-pareve bread because kashrut applies equally to all Jews.

Food that contains only pareve ingredients but that comes in contact with dairy or meat dishes in the home or that is manufactured on equipment also used to manufacture dairy or meat equipment maintains the status of pareve, and may be consumed after eating dairy or meat. However, if such contact is made, it may only be consumed on dairy or meat dishes respectively. Some commercial products that are pareve but have been manufactured on dairy equipment bear the letters DE after the hechscher to let the consumer know the product cannot be consumed together with meat. Still, such an item can be consumed after a meat meal.

Pharmaceuticals taken for medical purposes that contain animal ingredients, while not technically pareve, do not require a waiting period following their consumption, as they are generally swallowed without being chewed and have little contact with the mouth. The laws of kashrut do not apply to pharmaceuticals taken for medical reasons. Vitamins, on the other hand, have the status of nourishment, and therefore, the laws of kashrut must be followed.

While kosher households generally have two sets of dishes, one for dairy and another for meat, some kosher households also include a third set of pareve dishes, or at least cooking utensils, in order to enable pareve foods to be prepared and then later served with either dairy or meat meals.

While fish is pareve, the Talmud warns not to consume fish directly mixed with meat, and the custom is not to eat both on the same plate if they both are eaten at the same meal. It is Chabad custom to refrain from eating fish with milk, but combining fish with dairy byproducts (cheese, butter, etc.) is acceptable. A much less common practice is to refrain from eating fish combined with any dairy product.

Pareve in commercial production
Due to the restrictions in Jewish law forbidding combining milk and meat, many food items marketed to kosher consumers are made pareve, thereby modifying traditional recipes and allowing the item to be consumed either with dairy or meat. Common ingredients used as substitutes for either dairy or meat ingredients include soy and tofu, palm and coconut oils, and various vegetables. Meat analogues are used to replace real meat in recipes, and soy cheese to replace real cheese. Some meat analogues include dairy.

The laws of marit ayin forbid eating a pareve food that appears dairy together with meat or vice versa. However, with the wide commercial availability of such pareve imitations of both dairy and meat foods, today this is permitted.

Margarine is commonly used in place of butter, thereby enabling baked goods to be made pareve. In 2008, a shortage of kosher for Passover margarine made it difficult for kosher consumers to prepare pareve recipes.

Lab meat is made from meat cells but the Chief Rabbi of Israel says that cultured meat will be considered pareve.

Pareve and vegetarianism
The word "pareve" on a food label may imply the product is suitable for vegetarians or vegans, but this is not always true. Fish and fish products, like fish gelatin, are pareve, but in general not vegetarian and never vegan (but would be consumed by pescetarians). Honey, egg and egg products, like mayonnaise and albumen, are pareve and vegetarian but not vegan.

Some processes convert a meat or dairy product into a pareve substance. For example, rennet is sometimes made from stomach linings, yet is acceptable for making kosher cheese, but such cheeses might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese made from a vegetarian rennet.

Likewise, some products bearing a vegan certification label do not have the status in halakha as pareve due to incidental contact with dairy ingredients or utensils that render the item dairy, while still qualifying by the vegan certification as containing no animal products.

Pareve and allergies
Those allergic to dairy foods may assume items labeled as "pareve" to be dairy-free, though this is not always the case. Kashrut has procedures by which equipment can be cleaned of its previous non-kosher use, but that might be inadequate for those with allergies, vegetarians, or adherents to other religious statutes. For example, dairy manufacturing equipment can be cleaned well enough that the rabbis grant pareve status to products manufactured with it. Nevertheless, someone with a strong allergic sensitivity to dairy products might still react to the dairy residue, and that is why some products that are legitimately pareve carry "milk" warnings. The general rule on such matters is that an item accidentally containing dairy ingredients could be considered pareve if the dairy is present in a fraction of less than 1/60 (1.67%) of the total though, in commercial pareve food production supervising agencies often try to be stricter than that. However, people with allergies can be sensitive to far lower concentrations of such ingredients — even parts-per-million concentrations — and therefore may not be able to rely on a pareve marking.

Usage in slang
The word "pareve" is also used in contemporary Israeli slang to imply that something is mediocre or that a statement lacks a clear message.

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Talk:Henry of Castile the Senator

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Hi, my source gives a different account of Henry and Fredericks early life. In brief outline: Frederick traveled to Africa where he took up with the Muslim King of Tunisia, then went to Italy where he fought for Manfred against Charles, then returned to Tunis. Henry went to France (not England) where he made friends with Charles (his first cousin), he lent Charles a large sum of money for his Italian campaign against Manfred -- Henry was never paid back, but grudingly accepted the post of Sentaor of Rome in 1267. The source is Steven Runciman, Sicilan Vespers, ISBN 0521437741 pg. 99 (you might be able to read it on Amazon look-inside, search on "Infant Henry"). I was going to make additions but realized it was a major change in the narrative and wanted to get your feedback on sources first. Stbalbach 04:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Bizarre! Parsons is a very well-respected historian, so I followed his lead. According to him, it was Enrique who was the mercenary, he spent time in England and France, went off to Italy, and later served as regent for Castile. Fadrique spent most of his time in prison, where his brother Alfonso had him executed. I haven't been able to get ahold of Antonio Ballesteros Beretta's biography of Alfonso, Alfonso X El Sabio, to double-check. Missi

 * I'll ask Adam Bishop if he has any thoughts, he has access to some good sources. Stbalbach 18:54, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately I don't know anything about this guy, although I saw the article yesterday and I was wondering about his connection to Conradin. Both of Beretta's books are in the library here, but if they're in Spanish I can't help you :) Adam Bishop 20:00, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It is strange, Runcimans and Parsons versions are so completely different. In my mind, Parsons account sounds like a mashup of Henry and Frederick. Runciman goes in to a lot of detail about Infant Fredericks life and role, and Henry and Frederick have a lot of interactions in Italy.. did Runciman make all that up? I mean there are pages and pages about Frederick and Henry, Sicilian Vespers is considered one of the most well known and popular books about the era, I would find it hard to believe such a major mistake, and key to the whole story, has gone unchallenged since 1954 when it was published. Yeah Henry broke ranks with Charles and allied himself with Conradian, who had the support of the Ghibellines,  he was upset at not getting paid back by Charles and had greater designs of his own, Henry was a key player in the events of the Battle of Tagliacozzo, he was the commander. Stbalbach 03:14, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Well Runciman is sometimes known to have a fanciful imagination, but he also usually gives a lot of sources...does he give any in this case? Adam Bishop 14:52, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Runciman's sources on Henry: E. Jordan, L'Allemagne et l'Italie aux XIIe et XIIIe Siècles (G. Glotz), Histoire Générale: Histoire du Moyen Âge, v. IV, I. Paris, 1939. pp. 370–1, 385–6. Saba Malaspina Historia Sicula, pp. 833–6, 842–4. K. Hampe, Geschichte Konradins von Hohenstaufen. Innsbruck, 1894. pp. 111–50 On Frederick: Jordan 396–7. See also this history, which seems to agree with Runciman: both brothers became adventurers, Henry was long imprisoned by the Angevins but at last released to return to Castile in the 1290s, Frederick was allowed to escape from Sicily to Tunis c. 1270, returned to Castile by 1272, and was imprisoned and executed in 1277. This says that Henry left Castile when he realized his rebellion was doomed, while Frederick was exiled for unknown reasons in 1260. This page says that Frederick and Frederick Lancia (who escaped with him from Sicily) fought for the Tunisians in the 9th Crusade, which agrees well with Runicman's narrative. Ferdinand Gregorovius also agrees with Runciman that Frederick was a follower of Manfred and, at the urging of Conrad Capece, invaded Sicily from Tunis and declared for Conradin in 1267. There's also some online correspondence of Clement IV that may be helpful to the Latin readers. In summary, I think Runciman's version of events is amply justified. Choess 01:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Aha! It turns out that the events described by Parsons and by Runciman sort of interleave in Henry's career. See this message by Parsons. I am rewriting the article accordingly. Choess 04:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Henry of Castile and his brother Fadrique went as knights errant to the court of Sultan Al Mustansir in Tunis, to help him against his enemies, Baibars in Egypt, and the menacing Mongols already in Syria. Al Mustansir was subject to Manfred of Hohenstaufen, King of Sicily. Both princes, Henry and Fadrique visited Manfred in Palermo. It appears that Henry, and Al Mustansir attacked the Island of Pantelleria and the port of Sciacca in Sicily with a fleet in 1267, against the rule of Charles d'Anjou. Henry could be the author of the famous tale of chivalry "Amadis de Gaula", the first great novel in spanish language. There is plenty of astonishing coincidences between the events of his own life, and the tales in "Amadis". Nevertheless, a tangible proof is needed, although he was known in Italy as a fine poet, and it seems credible that he wrote this novel of more than thousand pages while imprisoned in Canosa di Puglia, and later in Castel del Monte, between 1268 and 1292, according to Ferdinand Gregorovius. "Amadís" is key in the history of Spanish literature as the inspiration for Cervantes' Don Quijote de la Mancha.Santiago sevilla (talk) 22:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC) It could be interesting for historians to know that Infante Fadrique of Castile (1224-1277) married Catalina Dukás (1248-1294), daughter of the famous Despot of Epirus Nikephoros Komnenos Dukás.Santiago sevilla (talk) 17:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Islamist

Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will be reverted quickly. Please see the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Apollomelos 04:56, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please stop removing content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't care whether it was an experiment; don't do it. If you do it again, I shall block you from editing for a period. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:07, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * If you vandalise an article again, you will receive an editing block; this is your final warning. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for 24 hours. When the block expires, please feel free to edit Wikipedia in a collaborative way — neither blanking pages nor adding them simply because of your own political views. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Judaism is a religion, not a nationality
Jews are not a nationality. They are a religion. Why are Jews listed on List of nationalities? Why are Jews considered a nation when no other religion is given that status? --Islamist 15:04, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Because they're a nationality. Read Jew. Jayjg (talk) 22:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't see this - please inform yourself. While the term Jew can refer to a member of the Jewish faith, it is also used to refer to a person of Jewish decent - an ethnic Jew. Musser 23:00, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Personal attacks, discussion
I have unblocked you, on the grounds that your edits at Judeofascism and Islamofascism do not constitute vandalism. However, I remind you that No personal attacks is a binding policy, and strongly urge you to resolve arguments on the Talk: page of an article before making controversial edits. - Mustafaa 05:58, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * In reply to Islamist's e-mail to me, accusing me of hypocrisy on the grounds that I'm obviously a Jew, I included this:
 * I was not concerned with the content of the article; I didn't even read the Islamofascism article, in fact. I was concerned with your actions in unilaterally, with no attempt to discuss it with others, blanking a long article and turning it into a redirect.  I was similarly concerned with your doing the same thing in reverse with the Judeofascism article.  Wikipedia isn't supposed to be made up of a bunch of egoists doing whatever they want -- it's a team affair, a collaboration.
 * Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:56, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I noted your hypocrisy in editing and reverting islamofascism and Judeofascism and said that it indicated you must be a Jew. Was I wrong? No, you are a Jew. I didn't say you were a hypocrite on the gounds of being a Jew or because you are a Jew. I said your edits were hypocritical and your bias indicates that you are a Jew. It is a true statement so don;t try to turn it into a personal attack. Are you ashamed to be a Jew? You shouldn't be. Are you ashamed to edit Wikipedia articles in a biased manner? You should be. I am not ashamed to be a Muslim but then I do not make biased edits to promote a bigoted belief system either so I have nothing to be ashamed of. --Islamist 00:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As a matter of fact I was brought up a Catholic, am now an atheist, and am (as my User page indicates) half English and half Irish. To the best of my knowledge I have no Jewish blood, though I'd be perfectly happy to find that I had. Sorry to prick your bubble of complacency — that if someone disagrees with you they must be bigoted because of their race or religion. And frankly your edits do indeed show an extremely one-sided approach to everything you touch. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:34, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Marking things VfD
When marking articles for VfD, make sure you follow the full VfD process, detailed at the bottom of WP:VFD. The three steps, and  are all necessary for an article to correctly appear on WP:VFD for discussion. Feco 01:00, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think you got things exactly right, but it looks like another user has already corrected the formatting. Take some time to read WP:VFD.. at the very bottom of the page, there are two sets of instructions on how to do VfD. In my opinion, the first set (with >, and  ) is easier to follow.Feco 01:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Personal attacks in edit summaries
Stop referring to other editors as being bigoted. These are personal attacks, and are not allowed. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This is your final warning. Personal attacks are never acceptable - and calling people bigoted is a personal attack. Thryduulf 15:15, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I never caled another editor a bigot. I called some edits bigoted, which is true and I do not apologize for it. Calling edits bigoted is not a personal attack. Get off your high horse. --Islamist 15:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * (after edit conflict)
 * I'm not interested in sophistry about whether calling editors' actions bigoted is to call them bigots — though 'you are nobody' can't even be defended in that way. If you continue in this arrogant and abusive way, though, you will be called to account.  It's up to you; I'm trying to save you future grief, but if you refuse to change, don't be surprised if you receive another editing block. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I laugh at your arrogant threats. You are nobody to threaten me. You are just another editor. What makes you think you have any authority to order me or anyone else around? I suggest you read Wikipedia policies and adhere to them. Your edits are abusive and your accusations against me amount to personal attacks. I welcome entering into dispute resolution process with you to help you stop your abusive editing practices. --Islamist 15:22, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I haven't threatened you.
 * I haven't ordered you around.
 * It's sad that you think only those with authority over you have the 'right' to try to get you to behave with courtesy and good sense. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:45, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * As above, I think you'd better calm down and show some civility. If you're not already aware, we also have a three revert rule, which you've come very close to breaking. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a soapbox for your cause; making an article NPOV does not necessarily mean injecting your own POV.

 * Regarding List of political epithets; I didn't realise "Judeofascism" was already listed there, as the diff didn't clearly show this and it didn't occur to me that you'd try to insert a duplicate entry (what's up with that?). But that supports the revert; I removed duplicate material. If the separate Judeofascism article is merged into the list (as it appears it will be), then it would be pertinent to go into detail. If the same happens for Islamofascism (not quite a certainty), then its list entry could be expanded as well; as it stands there's no need to bloat the list article if a more detailed article is available. I'd also like to point out that adding links to an article currently on VfD (especially when the votes are leaning strongly in the delete/merge direction) is, IMO, bad form. Islamofascism was already linked before the VfD, and (as of writing) the outcome of its vote is still unclear. -- Hadal 15:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of "Hostile" editors on your User page
Hi. I'm sure you didn't intend it to be a personal attack, but the section on your User page where you list "hostile" editors isn't appropriate for Wikipedia. It would be a sign of good faith if you were to remove this section. It would also assist in reducing any tension that you may have with other editors. Thanks! Carbonite | Talk 16:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Comments
Original Text from Talk:Gallery of national flags:

Comment: just one more thing, and this is towards Islamist: I do not appreciate the edit summary for this page as (stop denying reality) and the comments on your user page that we are "narrow minded". This is borderline POV, and I respectfully ask you to tone down the comments a notch and just to be as NPOV as possible. Zscout370 02:46, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I never listed you anywhere so I don't know what you speak of. Maybe you have guilty conscience. --Islamist 02:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Correct, you did not list me by name, but this is what I was refering to, and this is from your User page: "The following articles are of interest to me. They are being targeted for what I consider biased and bigoted edits by a small group of editors. I ask for collaboration from enlightened editors to delete and revert narrow-minded edits that are being entered into these articles:" and you list the flag pages as one of them. I have no problem if you want to edit the articles, but calling us (I said we earlier, not I) biased, bigoted and calling our edits narrowminded is something that I do not appreciate.

Now, for the second comment, which is shown from the Edit History. The first two edits of yours were reverted by myself and other user, mainly since you have gone around and put POV images/talk on various pages, giving you a 24 hour ban. With your last edit being "21:27, 17 Apr 2005 Islamist (stop denying reality)," that is basically saying that you will not only keep on adding this image to the Gallery, but your telling us this state will be here. I also find that POV, which Wikipedia is supposed to have none of that. We might keep the image there, though I personally think you sould have came to us first before adding the flag to the Gallery. I also want for you to soften your POV tone and stop making personal/group attacks because we do not have the same POV as you. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia in a civil and neutrual manner, that is fine with me, but I beg you to look at what I wrote and please take the suggestions I have given you. Sincerely, Zscout370 03:16, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

On the art of avoiding edit wars
This site is first and foremost an encyclopedia. There are indeed many articles in which an anti-Islamic POV has been put, and this needs to be fixed. But this can and should be done in a friendly manner. Assume good faith is worth reading in this connection. If you assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is disagreeing solely because of bias, and will not listen to rational arguments - that quickly becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. - Mustafaa 05:51, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image source
Thank you for uploading Image:Ruzicka.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --Evil Monkey∴Hello 07:10, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC) Original image located at http://www.civicworldwide.org/images/marla.jpg, which is displayed on the About page of CIVIC. Zscout370 11:40, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Evil and Islamist, here you go:

RfC
No-one seems to have informed you that you're the subject of Requests for comment/Islamist; if you want to give your side of the story, you should do so at that page (make sure that you read the instructions carefully before doing so). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:26, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Right to exist
You might be interested in knowing that there is currently an attempt to delete the "Right to exist" article on the grounds that it is insufficiently pro-Israeli. LevelCheck 19:14, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory vote
Please consider voting at:

Conspiracy_theory

to rename articles that use the pejorative term "Conspiracy theory" to denigrate the content of the article.

Do the titles of WP articles generally pass partisan judgment on the subject under discussion? Should they? BrandonYusufToropov 02:28, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Palestinian flag
As-salaam alaikum, brother. No, I'm not Muslim, but I'm definitely feelin' you on the Palestinian flag. I happened across your dispute on the RfC (Request for Comments) page. I've included the Palestinian flag among the Flags of non-sovereign nations. I was surprised not to find it there. I don't know how to make the format conform with that of the rest of the entries, but I think that's where it belongs. Palestine is, indeed, a nation unto itself -- but, unfortunately, it is not yet sovereign. I've also added it to the article on Palestinian territories. Peace. :) deeceevoice 19:29, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ruzicka.jpg
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Acid2

Acid2 is a webpage that test web browsers' functionality in displaying aspects of HTML markup, CSS 2.1 styling, PNG images, and data URIs. The test page was released on 13 April 2005 by the Web Standards Project. The Acid2 test page will be displayed correctly in any application that follows the World Wide Web Consortium and Internet Engineering Task Force specifications for these technologies. These specifications are known as web standards because they describe how technologies used on the web are expected to function.

The Acid2 tests rendering flaws in web browsers and other applications that render HTML. Named after the acid test for gold, it was developed in the spirit of Acid1, a relatively narrow test of compliance with the Cascading Style Sheets 1.0 (CSS1) standard. As with Acid1, an application passes the test if the way it displays the test page matches a reference image.

Acid2 was designed with Microsoft Internet Explorer particularly in mind. The creators of Acid2 were dismayed that Internet Explorer did not follow web standards. It was prone to display web pages differently from other browsers, causing web developers to spend time tweaking their web pages. Acid2 challenged Microsoft to make Internet Explorer comply with web standards. On 31 October 2005, Safari 2.0.2 became the first browser to pass Acid2. Opera, Konqueror, Firefox, and others followed. With the release of Internet Explorer 8 on 19 March 2009, the latest versions of all major desktop web browsers now pass the test. Acid2 was followed by Acid3.

History

Acid2 was first proposed by Håkon Wium Lie, chief technical officer of Opera Software and creator of the widely used Cascading Style Sheets web standard. In a 16 March 2005 article on CNET, Lie expressed dismay that Microsoft Internet Explorer did not properly support web standards and hence was not completely interoperable with other browsers. He announced that Acid2 would be a challenge to Microsoft to design Internet Explorer 7, then in development, to achieve a greater degree of standards compliance than previous versions of Internet Explorer. The original Acid1 test had forced browser makers to fix their applications or face embarrassment; Lie hoped that Acid2 would do the same.

Lie and a colleague, Ian Hickson, created the first draft of the test in February 2005. Ian Hickson coded the final test in collaboration with the Web Standards Project and the larger web community. It was officially released on 13 April 2005 and at that time, every web browser failed it spectacularly.

On 23 April 2005, Acid2 was updated to fix a bug that made the mouth appear too close to the nose. After several complaints, the test was again updated in January 2006 to remove a test for unpopular SGML-style comments that were never widely implemented. In browsers that do not implement SGML-style comments, the original test displayed the word "ERROR" on the bottom part of the face.

In March 2008, Ian Hickson released Acid3 as a follow-up to Acid2. While Acid2 primarily tests CSS, Acid3 focuses more on JavaScript and other "Web 2.0" technologies.

Microsoft's response
In July 2005, Chris Wilson, the Internet Explorer Platform Architect, stated that passing Acid2 was not a priority for Internet Explorer 7, describing the test as a "wish list" of features rather than a true test of standards compliance. In December 2007, Microsoft announced that all the changes required to pass Acid2 would be made available in Internet Explorer 8, but that the changes would not be turned on by default, meaning that IE8 would not actually pass the test. The concern was that switching to a new behavior would cause too many problems in web pages expecting Internet Explorer's old, non-compliant behavior. Then in March 2008 Microsoft released IE8 beta 1 and turned on the changes by default after all. James Pratt, product manager for IE8, explained that this decision was made so that "developers can spend more time building features and cool stuff, and less time just trying to tweak their sites across different browsers."

Another unresolved standards compliance issue caused IE8 beta 1 to fail if not all elements of the test were hosted from the same server. In August 2008 Microsoft released IE8 beta 2, which resolved the issue. As of that beta, however, standards mode is not turned on by default for pages loaded in the "Intranet Zone". This zone is active for pages loaded via UNC paths, named addresses without dots (like http://mysite/ ), and sites that bypass the proxy settings. As such, IE8 will not pass the Acid2 test if loaded in these cases.

Overview of standards tested
Acid2 tests a variety of web standards published by the World Wide Web Consortium and the Internet Engineering Task Force. With the exception of CSS 2.1, all web standards tested were codified before the year 2000. CSS 2.1 was a candidate recommendation at the time of Acid2's release, and was still a candidate recommendation as of 23 April 2009.

Specifically, Acid2 tests these functions:
 * Alpha transparency in PNG-format images: The eyes of the smiley face use alpha transparency, which is part of the 1996 Portable Network Graphics specification. Alpha transparency blends the eyebrows into the face smoothly and elegantly. This was a significant issue because Internet Explorer 6, the most widely used web browser at the time Acid2 was released, did not support alpha transparency. This deficiency was rectified in Internet Explorer 7, bringing Internet Explorer in line with other web browsers in this regard.
 * The object element: The eyes also test support of the HTML object element. The object element has been a part of HTML since HTML 4 was released in 1998, yet by 2005 it still was not completely supported in all web browsers. The creators of Acid2 considered object element support important because it allows for content fallback—if an object fails to load, then the browser can display alternative (generally simpler, more reliable) content in its place.
 * Data URIs: The actual images that form the eyes are encoded as data URIs, which allow multimedia to be embedded in web pages rather than stored as a separate file. Acid2 tests the most common case, where a binary image is base64-encoded into text and then that encoded text is included in a data URI in the web page. Although the IETF published the data URI specification in 1998, they never formally adopted it as a standard. Nonetheless, the HTML 4.01 specification references the data URI scheme, and data URI support has now been implemented in most browsers.
 * Absolute, relative, and fixed CSS positioning: Absolute positioning means that the web developer specifies the exact X and Y coordinates where an element is to be placed into the page. Relative positioning means that the web developer specifies an X and Y offset from the usual position of the element. Fixed positioning means that the element is placed relative to the browser window, and scrolls with the window rather than with the rest of the page.
 * The CSS box model: This feature allows the web designer to specify dimensions, padding, borders, and margins, and was the focus of the original Acid1 test. Acid2 not only retests margin support but also tests minimum and maximum heights and widths, features new to CSS 2.0.
 * CSS table formatting: This part of CSS allows the web designer to apply table formatting without traditional HTML table markup.
 * CSS generated content: Using CSS generated content, web developers can add decorations and annotations to specified elements without having to add the content to each one individually.
 * CSS parsing: A number of illegal CSS statements are present in Acid2 to test error handling. Standards-compliant browsers are expected to handle these errors as the CSS specification directs. This helps ensure cross-browser compatibility by making all browsers treat CSS with the same level of strictness, so that what works in one browser should not cause errors in another.
 * Paint order: Acid2 requires that the browser has standard paint order. That is, overlapping elements should be placed or painted on top of each other in the correct order.
 * Hovering effects: When the user moves the mouse over the smiley face's nose, it turns blue. This is called a hovering effect, and while it has traditionally been used for hyperlinks, it should work on a wide variety of HTML elements.

Because Acid2 is not a comprehensive test, it does not guarantee total conformance to any particular standard. A variant of the Acid2 test that does not test for data URI support is also available from the Web Standards Project.

Test conditions
A passing or failing result is only considered valid if the browser's default settings were used. Actions such as changing font sizes, zoom level, and applying user stylesheets can break the display of the test. This is expected and is not relevant to a browser's compliance.

The following browser settings and user actions invalidate the test:
 * Scrolling
 * Resizing the browser window
 * Zooming in or out
 * Disabling images
 * Using Opera's Fit to width or Small Screen Rendering modes
 * Applying custom fonts, colors, styles, etc.
 * User JavaScript or Greasemonkey scripts
 * Enabling Internet Explorer's "compatibility view"

Compliant and non-compliant applications
If rendered correctly, Acid2 will appear as a smiley face below the text "Hello World!" in the user's browser, with the nose turning blue when the mouse cursor hovers over it. By the end of March 2009, the current versions of every major web browser passed the test. However, at the time of the test's release, every browser failed it. The images below illustrate the various rendering errors of the most popular browsers when Acid2 was released on 13 April 2005.

Timeline of passing applications
The following is a list of releases noting significant releases of applications that passed the test. New applications that have passed Acid2 since their first official release are not included in the timeline.

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Adoramus te

Adoramus te (Latin, "We adore Thee") is a stanza that is recited or sung mostly during the ritual of the Stations of the Cross.

Primarily a Catholic tradition, is retained in some confessional Anglican and Lutheran denominations during the Good Friday liturgy, although it is recited generally in the vernacular. It is recited or sung between stations. The words in Latin and an English translation are as follows:

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Bob Lenarduzzi

Robert Italo Lenarduzzi, OBC (born May 1, 1955) is a former North American Soccer League player, Canadian international, and coach of the Canadian national and Olympic soccer teams. He is currently club liaison for Vancouver Whitecaps FC. He is a member of the National Soccer Hall of Fame.

Club career
Lenarduzzi began his professional playing career as a midfielder and defender at age 15 with Reading in the English Football League and went on to play 67 first-team games and score two goals with the club. Lenarduzzi then also joined the NASL Vancouver Whitecaps in 1974 in the team's first season. Until 1976, he divided his time between Vancouver in the summer and Reading in the winter. He played 11 seasons for Vancouver until the Whitecaps' last season in 1984, when the league folded. Lenarduzzi holds the record for most games played in the league, with 312. Lenarduzzi played all eleven positions during his tenure with the team, including 45 minutes as goalkeeper. He was also voted NASL North American player of the year in 1978. The Whitecaps won the NASL Soccer Bowl championship in 1979. In 1984, Lenarduzzi joined the Tacoma Stars of Major Indoor Soccer League (MISL). He spent two seasons with them before in 1986 becoming executive director of the Vancouver 86ers of the Canadian Soccer League. In 1987, he returned to the field as a player and a coach with the 86ers.

Indoor career
Lenarduzzi and two Vancouver teammates spent the 1979–80 NASL Indoor season on loan to the Los Angeles Aztecs, as the Whitecaps themselves did not field an indoor team for that year. Vancouver did participate in three subsequent indoor seasons, and Lenarduzzi featured in all three for the Whitecaps.

National team playing career
Lenarduzzi earned 48 caps playing for Canada. He played all the country's matches both as the squad progressed to the quarterfinals of the 1984 Summer Olympics and as it participated in the first round of the 1986 World Cup finals.

International goals

 * Scores and results list Canada's goal tally first.

Coaching career
Lenarduzzi resumed his pro career in 1987 as a player–coach with the newly formed Vancouver 86ers of the newly founded Canadian Soccer League. After retiring permanently from playing in September 1988, he continued to coach the 86ers for the next five seasons. He led the franchise to four consecutive CSL titles from 1988 to 1991. His team set a record for professional North American sports teams by going 46 games unbeaten between June 6, 1988, and August 8, 1989.

Canada national team
Lenarduzzi was the head coach for the Canadian men's national team briefly in 1989 and for a longer term that started in 1992. In his first of two bids to see Canada back through to a World Cup finals, his squad twice came close but failed to progress to the 1994 finals. First they lost at home to Mexico despite scoring the game's first goal in a game with which Canada could have gone through to the finals with a win. (See 1994 FIFA World Cup qualification (CONCACAF).) As CONCACAF qualifying winners-up, Canada then lost the away leg to Australia in a match decided by penalty kicks that saw the winner of the home-and-away series go on to play Argentina in a home-and-away series for a finals spot (won by Argentina).

In qualifying for the 1998 finals, Canada failed to finish in the top three of a six-nation CONCACAF final qualifying round league tournament and progress. (See 1998 FIFA World Cup qualification (CONCACAF).) Lenarduzzi subsequently resigned his post in 1997.

Administrative career
Lenarduzzi served as 86ers general manager from 1988 to 1993. He resumed the post in 1998 and was named the A-League's executive of the year for 2000. In 2001, he also assumed the position of the Whitecaps Head of Soccer Operations. (The 86ers changed their name to Whitecaps in 2001.)

During the 2008 MLS season, Lenarduzzi served as colour commentator during CBC Television's Toronto FC broadcasts before Jason DeVos arrived to fill the position on a more permanent basis.

Lenarduzzi was the president of Vancouver Whitecaps FC from the time it entered Major League Soccer until August 15, 2019, when the role was eliminated in favour of the role of sporting director. He then became club liaison.

Honours
In 2001, Lenarduzzi was inducted as a player into the Canadian Soccer Hall of Fame. In 2005, he was awarded the Order of British Columbia. In 2003, he was inducted into the U.S. National Soccer Hall of Fame. Lenarduzzi was voted one of the Top 30 Players of the Century in the Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) region.

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1991 National League Championship Series

The 1991 National League Championship Series was played between the Atlanta Braves (94–68) and the Pittsburgh Pirates (98–64), with the Braves coming out on top in the Series 4–3. It was considered one of the best-pitched seven-game series of the modern era, featuring three 1–0 finishes and four shutouts, as well as four one-run games. The Braves went on to lose in the World Series to the Minnesota Twins in seven games.

The Pirates had the best record in the National League in 1991, and were the first NL East team to win consecutive division championships since the Philadelphia Phillies, their in-state rivals, during their run of three straight NL East championships, from 1976 to 1978 (in fact, the Pirates won the 1991 NL East title in a game against their rivals). and were expected to win this Series and advance to the World Series. However, the Braves, who went from last place in the National League West in 1990 to first place in the division in 1991, were able to pull off the upset in their memorable run to the World Series versus the Minnesota Twins.

Game 1
Wednesday, October 9, 1991 (8:41pm EDT) at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh

The Pirates proved they would be tough to eliminate early when they stifled the Braves offense behind 1990 Cy Young Award winner Doug Drabek and won the first game 5–1. Pittsburgh center fielder Andy Van Slyke's first-inning home run off of 1991 Cy Young Award winner Tom Glavine put them up 1–0. In the third, Jay Bell hit a leadoff single, then Van Slyke's double and Bobby Bonilla's single scored a run each. Steve Buechele doubled to lead off the sixth and scored on Doug Drabek's two-out double. The Pirates scored their last run in the eighth on Jose Lind's bases-loaded sacrifice fly off of Mike Stanton. David Justice hit a home run in the ninth inning off reliever Bob Walk for the Braves' only run.

An injury to Pirates starter Doug Drabek was to have major ramifications for the Series. Drabek slid into third and injured himself in the sixth inning, leaving the game with what appeared to be a pulled hamstring. The injury cost Drabek an early start in either Game 4 or 5, and it ensured he would not be available for a third start in Game 7 if the Series went that far, as it ultimately did.

Game 2
Thursday, October 10, 1991 (8:39pm EDT) at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh

In Game 2, both teams were kept in check by the outstanding pitching performances of Zane Smith for Pittsburgh and Steve Avery for Atlanta. However, Avery and the Braves would come out on top 1–0, after David Justice singled to lead off and Mark Lemke picked up a double and the only RBI of the game in the sixth inning. David Justice scored from second when Lemke's seemingly routine grounder got past Pirate third baseman Steve Buechele, allowing Justice to score. Alejandro Peña got the save and the combined shutout was complete. The series was now tied 1–1.

The win snapped a 10-game postseason losing streak for the Braves franchise that began with Game 5 of the 1958 World Series, when the team was still in Milwaukee.

Game 3
Saturday, October 12, 1991 (3:00pm EDT) at Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta

With the Series tied at one game apiece, John Smoltz faced off against the Pirates' 20-game winner, John Smiley. Orlando Merced hit Smoltz's first pitch over the right field wall for a home run, but in the bottom of the first, two-out doubles by Ron Gant, David Justice and Brian Hunter put the Braves up 2–1 before Greg Olson's two-run homer to left made it 4–1. In the second, Lonnie Smith was hit by a pitch with two outs and scored on Terry Pendleton's double. Smiley was gone after that inning. In the third, Rafael Belliard's RBI single with two on off of Bill Landrum made it 6–1 Braves. Jose Lind's RBI single in the fourth with two on made it 6–2 Braves, then Jay Bell's home run in the seventh made it 6–3 and knock Smoltz out of the game, but the Braves got that run back in the bottom of the inning on Gant's home run off of Bob Kipper. In the top of the eighth, Alejandro Peña struck out Jay Bell with the bases loaded to end the Pirates' last threat. In the bottom of the inning, Rosario Rodriguez walked two to lead off and after a sacrifice bunt, former Pirate Sid Bream's three-run home run increased the Braves' lead to 10–3. Pena retired the Pirates in order in the ninth to give the Braves a 2–1 series lead.

Game 4
Sunday, October 13, 1991 (8:38pm EDT) at Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta

The lone extra-inning game of the Series came in Atlanta before 51,109 fans. The Braves struck first when Lonnie Smith doubled to lead off the first off of Randy Tomlin, moved to third on a line out, and scored on Ron Gant's groundout, then three straight singles by David Justice, Brian Hunter and Greg Olson made it 2–0 Braves. However, they would not score for the rest of the game. Don Slaught's RBI single with two on in the second off of Charlie Leibrandt cut the lead to 2–1, then Gary Redus singled with two outs in the fifth and scored on a Jay Bell single along with a Braves error to tie the game.

The Pirates tied the series with a run in the top of the tenth when Mike LaValliere, off of Mark Wohlers, singled in Andy Van Slyke, who had stolen second after being walked by Kent Mercker. Stan Belinda retired the Braves in order in the bottom of the inning.

Game 5
Monday, October 14, 1991 (3:08pm EDT) at Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta

Zane Smith had his second excellent game of the Series, but this time he won, beating Tom Glavine and the Braves 1–0 in almost a mirror image of Smith's start in Game 2. However, in Game 2, Smith had given up the one run and lost.

Controversy surrounded this game when David Justice appeared to score on a single to left, but he seemed to miss third base and was called out on an appeal. Replays were inconclusive, but Justice did stumble over third base, and the umpires called him out, preserving Smith's shutout.

The lone run in this game came when José Lind hit a simple RBI single in the fifth.

Game 6
Wednesday, October 16, 1991 (8:39pm EDT) at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh hosted one of the best pitcher's duels of all-time on October 16, 1991, between Steve Avery and Doug Drabek. In the end, identical to Avery's last start, a combination of Avery and Alejandro Peña shut out the Pirates for all nine innings. The Pirates only got four hits. However, this time the Braves didn't score a run all the way through eight innings. Drabek matched Avery, pitch for pitch. But in the ninth inning, with the score tied 0–0, Greg Olson raked a double down the left field line that scored Ron Gant, who walked and stole second, and took the lead off a weary Drabek. He had pitched a complete game, but was the loser after the Pirates could not get Gary Varsho home from third in the bottom of the ninth. The Braves had not scored a run since the first inning of Game 4, a futility streak that reached $26 2/3$ innings before Gant scored the winning run.

Game 7
Thursday, October 17, 1991 (8:39pm EDT) at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh

The Braves scored three runs in the first inning on Ron Gant's sacrifice fly with runners on first and third, followed by a Brian Hunter two-run home run, and never looked back. Twenty-game winner John Smiley made the start, fared poorly, was yanked after two-thirds of an inning and lost to John Smoltz, who shut out the Pirates. Although Bob Walk was masterful in middle relief, it was too little, too late, even though he pulled his groin trying to help his cause attempting to stretch a single into a double in the bottom of the seventh. Hunter's RBI double in the fifth with two on capped the scoring as the Braves won 4–0 and nabbed the pennant. After Atlanta had gone $26 2/3$ innings without scoring, the Pirates themselves went the final $22 1/3$ innings without scoring. That streak would reach 30 innings before José Lind snapped it with a home run in the eighth inning of Game 1 in the 1992 NLCS.

Avery won the Series MVP award. Pitching 16$1/3$ innings, the Braves starter did not allow a run, giving up nine hits and walking four while striking out 17. Avery said, "It's been the best time of my life."

The Braves scored 14 runs in the games Smiley pitched (Games 3 and 7), including nine off Smiley, but only five runs in the other five games combined. Smiley had been the Pirates' biggest winner in 1991, notching 20 victories for the only time in his career.

The Atlanta Braves' World Series appearance was their first since 1958, and their first since moving to Atlanta in 1966. The Braves lost a memorable and dramatic seven-game series to the Minnesota Twins.

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1991 NLCS (4–3): Atlanta Braves over Pittsburgh Pirates


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Justus ǁGaroëb

Gaob Dr. Justus ǀUruhe ǁGaroëb (born 16 December 1942 ) is the Gaob (King) of the ǂNūkhoe ǁAes (Damara Nation) as of 1977 [year of customary designation] and is the longest serving supreme traditional leader in recorded history. Historical accounts (both oral and academic) have it that most gaogu (kings) reigned for 25 years (average), whilst the nation celebrated the Sapphire Anniversary of the ǁGaroëb dynasty. He (just like most if not all pre-independence traditional leaders was active in national politics and was at the forefront of the Namibian struggle for Independence. Gaob Dr. ǁGaroëb was a staunch opponent of South African rule and led the oppositional Namibia National Front in the late 1970s and founded the United Democratic Front (UDF) in 1989.

ǁGaroëb was born in ǃGuidiǁgams [literally Fountain of the Reed Dancers] alias Omaruru, Erongo Region. He went to school at the Augustineum Training College in Okahandja and then started to study medicine at the University College of Zululand in South Africa. He did not finish his studies due to family obligations and lack of financial support.

ǁGaroëb became a member of the Damara Advisory Council in 1971, and its chairman in 1977, succeeding Chief David ǁGoreseb. When between 1975 and 1977 the Turnhalle Constitutional Conference was held in Windhoek with the aim of developing a constitution for a self-governed Namibia under South African control, ǁGaroëb "refused to take part". Instead he oversaw the Damara Council to merge into the Namibia National Front (NNF), one of the groups opposing the Turnhalle Conference and its results, in 1977. He also became the first president of the NNF.

In 1982, he became the Paramount Chief and Acting King of the Damara, and he has been King of the Damara since 1994. In 1989 ǁGaroëb founded the United Democratic Front (UDF). He has been the President of the UDF since that time. Immediately prior to independence, he was a UDF member of the Constituent Assembly, which was in place from November 1989 to March 1990, and he has been a member of the National Assembly since 1990.

He has stood for the presidency on three occasions. In 1999, he placed fourth with 3.02% of the vote, in 2004 he placed fifth with 3.83% of the vote, and in 2009 he placed 5th with 2.37%. In Kunene Region, he received 22.5% of the vote, including winning the most the votes in Khorixas Constituency and Sesfontein Constituency.

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Talk:Lawrence Miles

Unquiet dead controversy
Has there been any backlash aside from the flap on OG? Just wondering if this really is notable. --khaosworks 05:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Miles' engagement
Dunno if this counts as independent verification, but I happen to know that it's true — I met his fiancée at the Gallifrey convention. (I think anyone who frequents OG's Forum knows her as well.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

- Why is there a discussion on this when it's not on the page itself?

 * Because it used to be. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Miles' "farewell interview"
Does anyone recall what site the "farewell interview" used to be on? I can't find it on Google, which makes me suspect that the site has gone down — but I can't check archive.org without knowing what site it was on. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 10:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Found it and added the link (though I forgot to log in at the time). Doloras 21:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

This article is long on puff, short on reliable sources
Do reliable sources exist for this article or does it need the flamerthrowers turning on it? --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Quit trying to cover it up
Sorry MikeWazowski, but you can't hide the truth by calling it an "unreliable link." Scuttlest (talk) 03:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Controversy section removed
I have removed the 'controversy' section from this article: it listed a couple of 'controversies', but was pretty poorly sourced, and did not make it at all clear that either was sufficiently 'infamous' to be worth mentioning in an encyclopaedic biography. Robofish (talk) 00:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Washington Examiner

The Washington Examiner is an American conservative news outlet based in Washington, D.C., that consists principally of a website and a weekly printed magazine. It is owned by Philip Anschutz through MediaDC, a subsidiary of Clarity Media Group.

From 2005 to 2013, the Examiner published a daily tabloid-sized newspaper, distributed throughout the D.C. metro area. The newspaper focused on local news and political commentary. The local newspaper ceased publication on June 14, 2013, whereupon its content began to focus almost exclusively on national politics, from a conservative point of view, switching its print edition from a daily newspaper to an expanded print weekly magazine format.

History

The publication now known as the Washington Examiner began its life as a handful of suburban news outlets known as the Journal Newspapers, distributed not in Washington D.C. itself, but only in its suburbs: Montgomery Journal, Prince George's Journal, and Northern Virginia Journal. Philip Anschutz purchased the parent company, Journal Newspapers Inc., in 2004. On February 1, 2005, the paper's name changed to the Washington Examiner, and it adopted a logo and format similar to those of another newspaper Anschutz then owned, San Francisco Examiner.

The Washington Examiner became increasingly influential in conservative political circles, hiring much of the talent from The Washington Times. The website DCist wrote in March 2013: "Despite the right-wing tilt of [the Examiner 's] editorial pages and sensationalist front-page headlines, it also built a reputation as one of the best local sections in D.C." The newspaper's local coverage also gained attention, including a write-up by The New York Times, for contributing to the arrest of more than 50 fugitives through a feature that each week spotlighted a different person wanted by law enforcement agencies.

In March 2013, the company announced that it would stop printing a daily edition in June and refocus on national politics. The print edition was converted to a weekly magazine, while the website was continually updated. The new format was compared to that of The Hill. In December 2018, Clarity Media announced that the magazine would become a publicly available, expanded print magazine.

On January 27, 2020, Roy Moore filed a $40 million defamation lawsuit against the Washington Examiner. A former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court and candidate in the United States Senate special election in Alabama for the seat left open when Jeff Sessions joined the Trump administration, Moore claimed that the magazine repeatedly wrote "fake news" attacks stemming from allegations that he made unwanted sexual and romantic advances to girls as young as 15 when he was in his late 30s.

In January 2020, breaking news editor Jon Nicosia was fired after showing a sexually explicit video to colleagues. Nicosia denied any wrongdoing, saying he had only shared the video "because he thought it might go viral ... and become a news story". Nicosia accused managing editor Toby Harnden of abusive workplace behavior. An employee's complaint seen by CNN said that Harnden had created a "toxic work environment" and a climate of "workplace terror and bullying". Editor-in-chief Hugo Gurdon then announced Harnden had departed and that he was "enlisting a third-party to conduct a thorough investigation" into the Examiner. But CNN reported that "current and former Examiner employees" said that "Gurdon was aware of Harnden's brutish managing style" long before it became a public issue and did nothing about it.

In October 2020, the Examiner hired Greg Wilson as the new managing editor. As online editor of the Fox News website, Wilson had previously published a news story supporting the conspiracy theory about murdered Democratic aide Seth Rich and WikiLeaks.

In June 2020, the Examiner published an op-ed by "Raphael Badani", a fake persona who was part of a broader network pushing propaganda for the United Arab Emirates and against Qatar, Turkey, and Iran. The Daily Beast subsequently disclosed that Badani's "profile photos are stolen from the blog of an unwitting San Diego startup founder" while his "LinkedIn profile, which described him as a graduate of George Washington and Georgetown, is equally fictitious."

Distribution and readership
The magazine's publisher said in 2013 that it would seek to distribute the magazine to at least "45,000 government, public affairs, advocacy, academia and political professionals". The publisher also claimed the Examiner's readership is more likely to sign a petition, contact a politician, attend a political rally, or participate in a government advocacy group than those of Roll Call, Politico, or The Hill. Its publisher claims that the Examiner has a high-earning and highly educated audience, with 26 percent holding a master's or postgraduate degree and a large percentage earning over $500,000 annually, likely to be working in executive or senior management positions.

Notable columnists and contributors

 * Kristen Soltis Anderson
 * Michael Barone
 * Tim Cavanaugh
 * David Freddoso
 * Quin Hillyer
 * Timothy P. Carney
 * Philip Klein
 * Julie Mason
 * Larry O'Connor
 * Tara Palmeri
 * Bill Sammon
 * Rudy Takala
 * Geovanny Vicente
 * Byron York

Content and editorial stance
The Examiner has been described as and is widely regarded as conservative. When Anschutz started it in its daily newspaper format, he envisioned creating a competitor to The Washington Post with a conservative editorial line. According to Politico: "When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz's instructions were explicit—he 'wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,' said one former employee."

According to the Columbia Journalism Review, among the conservative media landscape, the Examiner "is structured more or less like a mainstream newspaper—complete with clear distinctions between news reporting and commentary roles. The outlet has one of the largest newsrooms in online conservative media, with dedicated breaking news reporters and more specialized beat reporters, and a full editorial hierarchy." According to Editor in Chief Hugo Gurdon, the paper's conservatism on the news side was largely based on story selection, citing The Daily Telegraph as an inspiration.

The Examiner endorsed John McCain in the 2008 presidential election and Adrian Fenty in the 2010 Washington, D.C., mayoral election. On December 14, 2011, it endorsed Mitt Romney for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, publishing an editorial saying he was the only Republican who could beat Barack Obama in the general election.

Anti-immigration stories
In January 2019, the Washington Examiner published a story with the headline, "Border rancher: 'We've found prayer rugs out here. It's unreal. Shortly thereafter, President Donald Trump cited the story as another justification for a border wall amid the 2018–19 federal government shutdown. The story in question cited one anonymous rancher who offered no evidence of prayer rugs. The story provided no elaboration on how the rancher knew the rugs in question were Muslim prayer rugs. The author of the story formerly worked as press secretary for the anti-immigration group Federation for American Immigration Reform. Stories of Muslim prayer rugs at the border are urban myths that have frequently popped up since at least 2005, but without evidence. *
 * The Examiner never issued a clarification or retracted the story.
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In April 2019, Quartz reported that White House advisor Stephen Miller had been purposely leaking information on border apprehensions and asylum seekers to the Washington Examiner so that the paper would publish stories with alarming statistics that sometimes criticized DHS secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, which he could then show to Trump to undermine her. Nielsen was fired in April 2019, reportedly for being insufficiently hawkish on immigration.

Climate change
The Washington Examiner has published opinion pieces that oppose or deny the scientific consensus on climate change. In February 2010, it published an op-ed in which Michael Barone, a pundit who writes frequently promoting skepticism of climate science, citing the Climatic Research Unit email controversy to argue that the scientific consensus on climate change was "propaganda ... based on ... shoddy and dishonest evidence". Daniel Sarewitz of Arizona State University criticized Barone, writing that Barone and other conservative climate change pundits erroneously "portrayed deviation from scientific certainty and highly idealized notions of 'the scientific method' as evidence against climate change", which he compared to "equally naïve and idealized" presentations on the other side of the debate, such as the film An Inconvenient Truth.

In 2017, the Washington Examiner editorial board supported Trump's unilateral withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accords, which the Examiner editorial board called "a big flashy set of empty promises... The Earth's climate is changing, as it always has. And part of the reason it is changing is due to human activity. But those two facts are excuses neither for alarmism and reflexive, but ineffective action, nor for sacrificing sovereignty to give politicians a short-term buzz of fake virtue and green guerrillas another weapon with which to ambush democratic policymaking."

On August 31, 2019, the Examiner published an op-ed by Patrick Michaels and Caleb Stewart Rossiter titled "The Great Failure of the Climate Models". It claimed that overwhelmingly accepted climate models were not valid scientific tools. Scientists described the Washington Examiner op-ed as highly misleading, noting that there were numerous false assertions and cherry-picked data in the op-ed.

2022 rejection of Donald Trump
On the day after former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified before the House select committee on the January 6 attack, the Examiner published an editorial titled "Trump proven unfit for power again," writing in part:

"Cassidy Hutchinson's Tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump's political career. Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again ... Hutchinson's testimony confirmed a damning portrayal of Trump as unstable, unmoored, and absolutely heedless of his sworn duty to effectuate a peaceful transition of presidential power ... Trump is a disgrace. Republicans have far better options to lead the party in 2024. No one should think otherwise, much less support him, ever again."

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Parleys Canyon

Parleys Canyon is a canyon located in the U.S. state of Utah. The canyon provides the route of Interstate 80 (I-80) (and previously the Lincoln Highway, U.S. Route 40, and a railroad) up the western slope of the Wasatch Mountains and is a relatively wide, straight canyon other than near its mouth. The mountain pass at the top of the canyon is known as Parleys Summit. With an elevation of 7120 ft, the pass is the highest point along I-80 in the state of Utah. Both features are named for Parley P. Pratt, an early settler of the Salt Lake Valley and leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who surveyed the area to find a better transportation route through the Wasatch Mountains than the previous route which traversed Emigration Canyon.

Description
Parleys Canyon begins where I-215 merges into I-80 in Salt Lake City and ends at Parleys Summit. The lower part of the canyon is relatively twisty and narrow and had to be dynamited to make way for I-80. Despite this, the interstate remains six or more lanes wide throughout the canyon; it is built over Parleys Creek in many places. Work is also underway to extend the Parleys Trail multi-use path through this segment to improve non-motorized access.

The canyon widens dramatically near Mountain Dell Dam and Utah State Route 65 (SR-65) splits from the freeway (which turns southeast temporarily) to provide access to Morgan County to the northeast. SR-65 also provides a connection to a local road leading over the ridge to Emigration Canyon in the same area where the Mormon trail crossed into that canyon. Little Dell Dam can be seen higher up on the side of Parleys Canyon in this area. As the freeway turns back toward the east, there is also an exit for the road leading up Lambs Canyon (a side canyon of Parleys Canyon).The area around Parleys Summit is part of the Summit Park census-designated place (CDP). However, this area is more commonly referred to as Jeremy Ranch or Parleys Summit. A $5m wildlife overpass was completed in December 2018 to allow wildlife to cross I-80 safely. The overpass is 50 feet wide and 320 feet long; animals near that location by exit 140 are funneled onto the overpass with 3.5 miles of fencing. Here the canyon is wide enough to form large communities along the sides of the freeway along the gentle mountain slopes. On the other side of the summit the freeway continues into the Snyderville Basin, which is where the popular resort town of Park City is located. Also within the basin is the ski jump built for the 2002 Winter Olympic Games and the large shopping district at Kimball Junction.

History
The canyon receives its name from Parley P. Pratt who was assigned to explore the canyon, called Big Canyon at the time, and to build a toll road, called the Golden Pass Toll Road. Construction on the road started in 1848 and was completed in 1850. The road through Parleys Canyon became the primary route into the Salt Lake Valley, surpassing the original route through Emigration Canyon. The canyon was used by a narrow gauge branchline owned by the Denver & Rio Grande Western Railway from Salt Lake to Park City (the Salt Lake and Park City Railway). However, with its steep grades the line struggled to compete with the Union Pacific's line (via Coalville, connecting to the UP main at Echo). The line was eventually rebuilt to standard gauge by the Rio Grande Western who along with their successor the Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad, operated trains up into the canyon until 1956. Some remnants of the Rio Grande line through Parleys Canyon, namely the cuts for the horseshoe curves, are in use by local roads and visible off the shoulder of the freeway. A lower portion of the same railroad line outside of Parley's Canyon, remains in use in the present day as the right of way for the UTA S-Line streetcar.

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New Traditionalists

New Traditionalists is the fourth studio album by the American new wave band Devo, released in 1981 by Warner Bros. Records. The album was recorded over a period of four months between December 1980 and April 1981 at the Power Station in Manhattan, New York City. It features the minor hits "Through Being Cool" and "Beautiful World".

Background
Devo devised the album's title while touring their Freedom of Choice album in Japan. The group had met two businessmen in a sushi bar who were wearing pins that read "New Traditionalists". Mark Mothersbaugh recalled that the band were inspired by the phrase, as they wanted to create new traditions themselves. The phrase belonged to a right-wing political group in Japan, who were using it as their name, and Devo found the pins in stores and purchased them as a joke. When the album was being written, the group recalled the name and decided that it would work for their songs. In the words of Gerald Casale, "We became the New Traditionalists but turned it on its ear. We appropriated the idea of that, meaning we were going to provide you with new traditions to forget about the old ones".

Composition
Following the band's success with "Whip It" and its parent album, Freedom of Choice, Devo opted to craft a darker and less accessible album that explored their concept of "de-evolution" even further. New Traditionalists contains songs in a minimalist synth-pop style, with an emphasis on synthesizer riffs and dance rhythms, as well as an increased focus on electronic percussion. Lyrically, the album contains more straightforward sentiments than the band's previous albums, often eschewing sarcasm and irony for overt anger. Rolling Stone Australia notes that the song "Beautiful World" "waits a while to reveal its hidden darkness and cynicism", echoed in its music video, which starts out "happy" and "optimistic". In "Enough Said", Devo make one of their first overtly political statements, advocating throwing leaders into a ring and letting them "fight like hell to see who's king". The lyrics were written by Mark and Bob's father Robert Mothersbaugh, Sr., who also played their character General Boy.

According to music historian Andy Zax, New Traditionalists found Devo "more than slightly ambivalent about their newfound popularity", exemplified in opening track "Through Being Cool", with its criticism of trendy "ninnies" and "twits". Zax also observed that songs such as "Jerkin' Back 'n' Forth" and "Love Without Anger" "dissect dysfunctional relationships from the inside, rather than from afar".

Production
New Traditionalists was the band's first fully self-produced album. Unlike the band's previous records, the album features a greater emphasis on synthesizers than guitars, and several tracks incorporate a drum machine. In a 2020 interview, Gerald Casale stated that he felt New Traditionalists "was the last [Devo] record where there was some semblance of balance between primal energy and just electronics for their own sake."

The album was recorded on a then-new brand of 2-inch tape from 3M. Unfortunately, when Devo began recording the vocals for the album, the edges of the tape had begun to disintegrate. After asking Warner Bros. if they could start over and re-record the album from scratch and being denied, Devo transferred all the work they had done to digital reel-to-reel tape and finished the album via digital recording at the Record Plant in Los Angeles, California. DJ Pangburn of Reverb.com later opined that "the sound quality isn't a major problem. The deterioration of the master magnetic tape gives [the album] a darker hue—one that matches the album's even more dystopian concept and songs."

"The Super Thing" was later sampled in Devo's 2007 single "Watch Us Work It", which was remixed by Teddybears.

Artwork
The front and back cover were photographed by Moshe Brakha and feature artwork by Richard Seireeni, based on a concept by the band. The band's clothing, also worn during live performances, was influenced by Japanese fashion, while the rubber pompadours, created by Brent Scrivner, were based on the hairstyle of John F. Kennedy but were frequently mistaken for that of Ronald Reagan. Casale's longheld interest in the space program led to the band using a cartoon image of an astronaut's head from a paper Halloween mask in the artwork, which was later reused for the limited edition "Beautiful World" picture disc.

The band wore blue V-neck T-shirts with the New Traditionalists astronaut on the black sleeves. This shirt can be seen on the US, Australian and New Zealand versions of the album cover. On the European cover, Devo is seen wearing "Sleeveless Maxi-Turtleneck Sweaters". The T-shirts, turtlenecks and plastic versions of the pompadours were all available through Devo's fan club catalog.

The first pressings of the LP included a 33 inch by 22 inch poster, designed by the Church of the SubGenius. It contains a drawing of the band on stage, with some iconic American archetypes (a Native American, a Pilgrim, a cowboy, a hippie, a punk rocker and a modern housewife) in the audience.

Music videos
Devo made three music videos for the album. "Through Being Cool" had Devo taking a limited role, focusing on a team of kids clad in Devo "Action Vests" attacking arrogant and ignorant people with "spudguns".

In "Love Without Anger", Devo acts as a Greek chorus to a bizarre love story between two humanoid chickens. It also features a stop motion video by Rev. Ivan Stang (Church of the SubGenius) of Barbie and Ken fighting each other and removing each other's body parts. A portrait of J. R. "Bob" Dobbs is on the wall above the couch.

The music video for the song "Beautiful World" features the character Booji Boy prominently, as he initially watches scenes of beautiful women, futuristic cars and other happy elements, which by the end of the song have been replaced by images of race riots, the Ku Klux Klan, World War I, famine in Africa, car crashes and nuclear explosions, which puts a much darker slant on the song's lyrics. The video was slightly censored for broadcasts on the ABC-TV music show Countdown. A small segment of archive footage depicting a woman on fire was considered unsuitable for the show's early evening time slot—despite the fact that the flames were animated, not real—and this censored version is still screened occasionally on the ABC's music video series rage, including a mid-1990s episode hosted by Devo.

"Working in the Coal Mine"
New Traditionalists was originally packaged with a bonus 7-inch single of the band's cover of songwriter Allen Toussaint's "Working in the Coal Mine".

According to a 2008 interview with lead singer Mark Mothersbaugh, Devo had originally intended to include the song on the album but were thwarted by Warner Bros. The band was then approached by the makers of the animated film Heavy Metal and asked if they had a song to donate for a sequence in the film involving a house band in outer space. Devo offered them the unused "Working in the Coal Mine", and as a fluke the song ended up being the only charting song on the soundtrack album. Since the song was now a "hit", Warner Bros. pressed up thousands of two-sided 7-inch singles and included them with initial copies of the LP.

Most CD and cassette pressings of New Traditionalists include "Working in the Coal Mine" as a bonus track.

Critical
David Fricke of Rolling Stone stated, "New Traditionalists has a few obvious Top Forty finger poppers – 'Through Being Cool' (the latest Devo fight song), 'Jerkin' Back 'n' Forth' and 'Enough Said' (this year's 'Whip It') – and the slick production makes it all go down easy. But the group's increasing overuse of simplistic, droning synthesizer riffs and treadmill dance rhythms is neither trendy nor traditional. It's predictable." Robert Christgau of The Village Voice called the album "Filler plus three major songs" ("Through Being Cool", "Love Without Anger" and "Beautiful World") "each of which gets an explanatory video in concert, which with these art-school ciphers is a comfort", although he concluded that these "would not satisfy the ninnies and twits who think war toys and visual aids are evil by definition." Scott Isler of Trouser Press stated that while New Traditionalists had "a couple of attention-getting songs ('Love Without Anger,' 'Going Under,' the extraordinarily attractive 'Beautiful World')" as well as the bonus "Working in the Coal Mine" single, the majority of the album was "clinical-sounding laissez-faire techno-dance stuff, less-than-compelling lyrics set to a metronomic 4/4 beat."

In a retrospective review for AllMusic, Steve Huey opined that New Traditionalists found Devo "aghast at being pegged as a novelty act by some of their own satirical targets", and that the band "largely abandons its sense of absurdity" on the album, theorizing that they'd decided that "America's comprehension of irony was sorely lacking". While he felt the album contained "some of Devo's angriest, most embittered songs", he felt many were "unmemorable" and sported "melodic deficiencies", although he ultimately concluded that "at least half of the album is worthwhile."

Commercial
New Traditionalists was slightly less successful than the Freedom of Choice album, peaking at No. 23 on the Billboard charts, whereas Freedom of Choice had peaked at No. 22. The non-album single "Working in the Coal Mine" peaked at No. 43 on the Billboard Hot 100.

The album and its singles continued Devo's success in Australia, with "Beautiful World" peaking at No. 14 and "Working in the Coal Mine" at No. 20.

Tour
The tour set was designed by Mark Mothersbaugh and Gerald Casale, and was manufactured by John Zabrucky. Modified treadmills were housed inside a temple stage set, allowing for uniform choreography by the band members, and still photos were projected behind the band. The set was plexiglass, allowing it to be illuminated by different colored lights, and the front, made of white plastic, was removable, revealing a framework.

On stage, Devo wore what were called "Utopian Boy Scout Uniforms", consisting of a gray button down shirt, gray slacks and black patent leather shoes. Professional footage was shot during the tour, but after the film crew's lighting generator clashed with the stage crew's and blew both sets of lights, an insurance claim stipulated that the footage had to be destroyed.

In 2012, Devo commemorated the New Traditionalists tour by releasing Live 1981 Seattle as a double LP for Record Store Day. The album was culled from a cassette recording from November 1981. According to Gerald Casale, "DEVO archivist Michael Pilmer (aka Devo-Obsesso), found the tape in a shoebox full of cassettes in [keyboardist and guitarist] Bob 2's home fifteen years ago, which he immediately transferred to DAT". In 2013, it was issued on CD with two bonus tracks from a performance at the Orpheum Theatre in Boston, Massachusetts on November 5, 1981.

Track listing
1993 Virgin Duty Now for the Future/New Traditionalists CD bonus track:

1997 Infinite Zero Archive/American Recordings CD bonus tracks:

2010 Warner Bros. CD bonus tracks:

Personnel
Credits adapted from Pioneers Who Got Scalped: The Anthology CD liner notes:

Devo
 * Mark Mothersbaugh – vocals, keyboards, guitar
 * Gerald Casale – vocals, bass guitar, keyboards
 * Bob Mothersbaugh – lead guitar, vocals
 * Bob Casale – rhythm guitar, keyboards, vocals
 * Alan Myers – drums

Credits adapted from the original album's liner notes:

Technical
 * Devo – producer, design concept
 * Phil Brown – mastering
 * Larry Alexander – engineer
 * Karat Faye – assistant engineer
 * Brent Scrivner – New Traditionalist hairdos
 * John Zabrucky – New Traditionalist astronaut
 * Moshe Brakha – cover photography
 * Richard Seireeni – art direction
 * Fran Fresquez (Narf Graphics) – Club Devo catalog

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