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popularity
question about how it got popular: i've always thought that it's Gina that made Blythe popular by photoshooting them... :/ could i be wrong ? Mint greentea 08:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

takara/cwc bias
I think that the article is really written with the bias on CWC/Takara blythes, assuming that they're THE blythe dolls when they're simply new versions. For example, under Bodies, "The bodies of blythes varies depending on the time of the release. Earlier releases uses the BL body, which has some disadvantages. For example, the legs do not bend as well as the later releases." Nowhere it is said that this is for CWC/Takara Blythes only. People not knowing about Blythes at all could think that the earlier releases would mean the 1972 Kenner blythes. /Helena (not registered, I am not good enough at editing wiki, as well as English language being my 3rd language. (but I wanted to bring up this so you could edit the entry) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.254.42.68 (talk) 12:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Blythe style dolls return 2007
Beauty Cuties, right down the the changing eyes!! by Mattel http://youtube.com/watch?v=IESPuImo5OY unicogirl

Biased Punctuation
First of all, the intro is longer than the rest of the article. Also, I noticed this: "One panelist asked if she could take a doll home!" Exclamation points? Really?65.254.200.19 22:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Pronouns
"She" is an "it." It's creepy that the authors of this article use the former. (Momus 01:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC))

What are you crazy? The doll is modelled after the female image. Barbie was never an "it"! 122.107.171.30 (talk) 02:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Details?
This sounds like it could be an interesting article... But where are the details? How do the eyes change colour? Why do people saw open their heads? What makes these dolls 'special' to collectors? This is just a fact dump at the moment; needs a lot more clarity and information to make it more interesting 123.2.92.233 (talk) 08:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Measurements
''The measurements of Blythe: 4.17-2.76-3.89 (in inches) or 106-70-99 (in mm). The measurements of Petit Blythe: 1.77-1.18-16.5 (in inches) or 45-30-42 (in mm).''

This is incorrect. The full-sized Blythe is considerably taller than 4 inches, and the petite Blythe is considerably taller than two inches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.160.123 (talk) 13:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

biased towards Takara/CWC
It is incorrect to say "There are two types of Blythe dolls: the 28cm (1/6th scale) "NEO" and the 11.2 cm "Petit Blythe." Only NEO Blythes have colour-changing eyes...". The next paragraph says "A smaller Kubrick version of Blythe also exists." So obviously there are three types of Blythe doll. But when you read closer, there are actually more types of Blythe doll because there is the Kenner and Ashton Drake Galleries versions as well.

There is no mention of the different brands they were produced as in 1972, Kenner, Tomy Ai-Ai, or Toltoys.

Anyway, I was hoping to find an explanation of the different Ashton Drake models and the history behind the ADG line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starfish73 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Moved from the article
Since a lot of the material does seem to be confirmed by the official site, I removed the unreferenced tag and replaced it with primarysources tag.

I attempted to summarize this long list of releases, most of which seems to be available on the official site linked in external links. For now I moved this to the talk page in case it's useful for someone else to make a better summary.

The above comments seem very contradictory - if it's not on the official site is can't be referenced, but then if it IS on the official site it's not worth putting her, just link to the official site..?! 122.107.171.30 (talk) 02:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I was unclear. The two comments refer to different things. The first one to a tag that was in the article tagging it as lacking any sources whatsoever. The second comment refers to the long list below. Siawase (talk) 03:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Neo Takara Blythe releases
All Takara Blythes (neo size) released until now:

1) BL-0 Parco Limited (Parco) - June 2001

2) BL-1 Mondrian (YSL) - June 2001

3) BL-2 Hollywood (HW) - October 2001

4) BL-3 Rosie Red (RR) - October 2001

5) BL-4 All Gold In One (Goldie) - January 2002

6) BL-5 Kozy Kape Inspired (Kozy) - January 2002

7) BL-6 Aztec Arrival Inspired (Aztec) - February 2002

8) BL-7 Sunday Best (SB) - April 2002

9) TRU-EX1 Dottie Dot (DD) - April 2002

10) BA-1 Miss Anniversary Limited (Miss A) - June 2002

11) EBL-1 Bohemian Beat (BB) - July 2002

12) EBL-2 Asian Butterfly (AB) - September 2002

13) EBL-3 Piccadilly Dolly Limited (Picca) - September 2002

14) EBL-4 Skate Date (SD) - November 2002

15) EBL-5 Rouge Noir (RN) - 31st December 2002

16) EBL-6 Excellent Hollywood (HW) - March 2003

17) TRU-EX2 Cherry Berry (CB) - 28th February 2003

18) EBL-7 Cinnamon Girl (CG) - 28th February 2003

19) EBL-8 Tea for Two (T42) - 31st March 2003

20) EBL-9 Disco Boogie (DB) - April 2003

21) EBL-10 Love Mission (LM) - July 2003

22) EBL-11 Bohemian Beats Again (BBA) - March 2003

23) Courtney Tez by Nike 2nd Anniversary Limited (Nike) - June 2003

24) TRU-EX3 Fancy Pansy (FP) - 19th July 2003

25) EBL-12 Fruit Punch (FP) - September 2003

26) TRU-EX4 Very Cherry Berry (VCB) - October 2003

27) SBL-1 Superior Skate Date (SSD) - December 2003

28) SBL-2 Pow Wow Poncho Inspired (PWP) - December 2003

29) ROK-EX Velvet Minuet (VM) - January 2004

30) SBL-3 Silver Snow (SS) - February 2004 31) SBL-4 I Love You It's True (ILYIT) - March 2004

32) SBL-5 Sunday Very Best (SVB) - March 2004

33) OTS-EX Over the Stripes (OTS) - April 2004

34) SBL-6 Lounging Lovely (LL) - June 2004

35) SBL-7 French Trench (FT) - June 2004

36) Art Attack 3rd Anniversary Limited (AA) - June 2004

37) MCC-EX Paradis by Mono Comme Ca (MCC) - July 2004

38) TRU-EX6 Birdie Blue (BB) - August 2004

39) SBL-8 Mademoiselle Rose Bud (MRB) - August 2004

40) EBL-13 Samedi Marche (SM) - September 2004

41) SBL-9 Groovy Groove (GG) - October 2004

42) Mitten-EX Mitten by Blythe (Mitten) - November 2004

43) MLK-EX Lil' Heart Blythe by Milk (Milk) - December 2004

44) TRU-EX7 Tweedly Do (TD) - February 2005

45) SBL-10 Inspired by Pinafore Purple (PP) - February 2005

46) MMC-EX Margaret Meets Ladybug (MML) - March 2005

47) SBL-11 V-Smash (VS) - March 2005

48) SBL-12 Candy Carnival (CC) - May 2005

49) ROXY-EX - Roxy Baby by Quiksilver (Rozy) - July 2005

50) SBL- Good Neighbor Cafe (GNC) - August 2005

51) SBL- Cinema Princess 4th Anniversary Limited (CP) - June 2005

52) Tommy-EX - Tommy February 6 Blythe (TF6) - October 2005

53) SBL- Asian Butterfly Encore (ABe) - October 2005

54) SBL- Samedi Marche Encore (SMe) - October 2005

55) SBL- Narumiya-EX - Rendezvous Chou Chou (RCC) - December 2005

56) SBL- White Magic Morning (WMM) - January 2006

57) SBL- White Magic Afternoon (WMA) - January 2006

58) SBL- White Magic Night (WMN) - January 2006

59) SBL- Merry Skier (MS) - 24th January 2006

60) TRU-EX8 Cute and Curious (CuCu) - February 2006 61) SBL- Blackberry Bush (BBB) - March 2006

62) SBL- Tea for Two Encore (T42e) - April 2006

63) SBL- Rosie Red Encore (RRe) - May 2006

64) SBL- Strawberry Millefeuille (SMF) - May 2006

65) SBL- Night Flower (NF) - June 2006

66) RBL- Darling Diva 5th Anniversary Limited (Diva) - June 2006

67) SBL- Honey Bunny Once More (HBOM) - July 2006

68) SBL- Prima Dolly 1 Ashlette (PD1A) - August 2006

69) SBL- Prima Dolly 1 Ginger (PD1G) - August 2006

70) SBL- Prima Dolly 1 Violet (PD1V) - August 2006

71) SBL- Piccadilly Dolly Encore (PiccaE) - September 2006

72) RBL- Last Kiss (LK) - October 2006

73) RBL- Star Dancer (StarD) - November 2006

74) RBL- Ichigo Heaven (IH) - December 2006

75) RBL- Yuki no Namida Hime (YNH) - December 2006 76) RBL- Prima Dolly Melon (PDM) - January 2007

77) SBL- Feel the Sky (FTS) - January 2007

78) RBL- Prima Dolly 2 Aubrey (PD2A) - February 2007

79) RBL- Prima Dolly 2 Saffy (PD2S) - February 2007

80) RBL- Prima Dolly 2 Ebony (PD2E) - February 2007

81) RBL- Ultimate Tour (UT) - March 2007

82) RBL- Tailor Gibson (TG) - March 2007

83) SBL- Rainy Day Parade (RDP) - April 2007

84) RBL- Gentle River (GR) - May 2007

85) SBL- My Best Friend (MBF) - June 2007

86) RBL- Prima Dolly Peach (PDP) (CWC Limited Edition)

87) RBL- Prima Dolly Cassis (PDC) (CWC Limited Edition)

88) SBL- Save the Animals (STA) - 27th July 2007

89) RBL- Princess A la mode 6th Anniversary Limited (PAM) - 23rd June 2007

90) RBL- Hello Harvest (HH) - 25 August 2007

91) RBL- Dainty Biscuit (DaBi) - September 2007

92) SBL- Cloud 9 Bowl (C9B) (Toys R Us Limited) - 22 September 2007

93) RBL- Mrs.Retro Mama (MRM) - October 2007

94) SBL- Enchanted Petal (EP) - 2 November 2007

95) RBL- Angelica Eve (AE) - 22 November 2007

96) SBL- Odekake Kimono Musume (OKM) - (CWC Limited Edition) December 2007

97) SBL- Mod Molly (MM) - 14 December 2007

98) RBL- Welcome Winter (WW) - 8 January 2008

99) RBL- Happy Harbor (HaHa) - February 2008

100) SBL- Natasha Moore (NM) - March 2008

101) RBL- Heart of Montmartre (HoM) - (CWC Limited Edition) March 2008

102) SBL- Precocious Candy's Mushroom (PCM) - (CWC Limited Edition) May 2008

103) SBL- Can Can Cat (CCC) - May 2008

104) SBL-  Christina the Bride - June 2008

105) RBL-  Eleanor the Forest Dancer - June 2008

106) RBL-  CWC Limited Edition Prima Dolly "Peony" - June 2008

107) SBL-  Milky Way Sugar (MWS) - July 2008

108) SBL-  Bow Wow Trad (BWT) - August 2008

109) RBL-  Miss Sally Rice (MSR) - August 2008

Petite Takara Blythe releases

 * PBL01 Kozy Cape
 * PBL02 Hollywood
 * PBL03 Rosie
 * PBL04 Mondrian
 * PBL05 Cosmo Afternoon
 * PBL06 Sunday Besy
 * PBL07&8 Bohemian Beat
 * PBL09 Paisley Star
 * PBL10 Asian Butterfly
 * PBL11 Rouge Noir
 * PBL12 Snow Wonder
 * PBL13 Pajama Party
 * PBL14 Weekend Artist
 * PBL15 All Gold
 * PBL16 Hollywood
 * PBL17 Aloha Spirit
 * PBL18 Cinnamon Girl
 * PBL19 Sewing My Way - pink
 * PBL20 Sewing My Way - blue
 * PBL21 Aztec Arrival Inspired
 * PBL22 Totally Tartan
 * PBL23 Pinky Doodle Poodle
 * PBL24 Midnight Hour
 * PBL25 Skate Date
 * PBL26 Pow Wow Poncho
 * PBL27 Kitchen Queen
 * PBL28 Tea for Two
 * PBL29 Plum Blossom
 * PBL30 Romantic Western
 * PBL31 Rainy Day
 * PBL32 Sailing Sailing
 * PBL33 Something Blue
 * PBL34 Caribbean Jewel
 * PBL35 Sunset Surfer
 * PBL36 Mademoiselle Rosebud
 * PBL37 Classy Classmate
 * PBL38 Orange Munchin
 * PBL39 Cutie March
 * PBL40 Spirit and Spice
 * PBL-41 I Love You It's True
 * PBL-42 First Plum
 * PBL-43 Groovy Groove
 * PBL-44 Cassandra Black
 * PBL-46 Please Plie
 * PBL-45 Forest Clover
 * PBL-47 Kingyo Bijin
 * PBL-48 Butter Cake Afternoon
 * PBL-49 Mamalade Heart
 * PBL-50 Tokyo Toddler
 * PBL-51 Spanky Punky (Devil Robots collaboration)

 * PBL TRU EX 01 Dottie Dot
 * PBL TRU EX 02 Cherry Berry
 * PBL TRU EX 03 Fancy Pancy
 * PBL TRU EX     Birdie Blue
 * PBL TRU EX     A Go Go

 * 2nd anniversary  Nike
 * 3rd anniversary Art Attack
 * 4th anniversary Princess Cinema

 * CWC Limited Honey Bunny
 * CWC Limited Piccadilly Dolly
 * CWC Limited Fairy Girl
 * CWC Limited Velvet Minuet
 * CWC Limited Happy Everyday
 * CWC Limited Bubbly Blue Bunny
 * CWC Limited Hohoho
 * CWC Limited Princess Tutuphant
 * CWC Limited Milk
 * CWC Limited Mitten
 * CWC Limited Mono Comme Ca

 * KPBL01 Feline Fancy
 * KPBL02 Bear Hug
 * KPBL03 Poseidon's Treasure
 * KPBL05 Piyo Piyo Messenger
 * KPBL06 Fluffy Cuddly Bed Time
 * KPBL13 Tip Toe Itsy Bitsy Bug

 * P-PBL 01 Hollywood (new eye and body)
 * P-PBL 02 Rosie Red (new eye and body)
 * P-PBL 03 Mondrian (new eye and body)

Blythe books

 * This is Blythe
 * Blythe Style
 * Dear Blythe : Love, Gina
 * Dear Blythe 2: Love, Gina
 * Hello Blythe! Journal
 * Hello Blythe! Addresses
 * Blythe on Beauty
 * Darling Blythe
 * Blythe Moment
 * Blythe Rhapsody
 * Blythe Custom Basic Note (The Blythe Custom book)
 * NA WAHINE AULII: a Story at Hawaii by Blythe
 * Me & My Blythe: the Fans Collection

Siawase (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Information to add to the article

 * Blythe dolls are considered "special" to the owner because they are so versatile and have lots of character to them.
 * They were NOT modeled after Margaret Keane. Susie Sad Eyes, a doll completely unrelated to Blythe, was.
 * There are 3 types of Neo-Blythes: BL, Excellent, Superior.
 * Petite Blythes have nothing to do with those 3 types.
 * Also included are Ashton-Drake Blythes and Kenner Blythes.
 * Petite Blythes have nothing to do with those 2 types.
 * Above, someone asked why people saw their heads open. Correction: Not all Blythe heads need to be sawed open. Only Superior-type blythes.
 * Puchi Collective is a helpful source for other Blythe information.
 * I would much appreciate it if people on Wiki would stop referring Blythe as "ridiculous" or "non-economical." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.234.11 (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

CNN Article
This article has some history if an additional reference is needed. http://www.cnngo.com/bangkok/play/bangkok-blythe-doll-craze-no-passing-trend-743797 Tweisbach (talk) 04:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Overly detailed information
The measurements of Blythe: 4.17-2.76-3.89 (in inches) or 106-70-99 (in mm). The measurements of Petit Blythe: 1.77-1.18-16.5 (in inches) or 45-30-42 (in mm).

The bodies of Blythe varies depending on the time of the release. Earlier releases uses the BL (basic Licca) body, which has some disadvantages. For example, the legs do not bend as well as the later releases.

BL: June 2001-March 2002. Licca body is used, eyes glance further to the side, matte face for some models. Some also have boggled eyes so the upper lid does not show on their eyes. Hair is also generally thinner.

EBL (Excellent): June 2002-October 2003. New body is introduced. Unlike the earlier Licca body, EBL bodies do not have bendable arms, though their legs have three "clicks" at the knee. Faces are shinier.

SBL (Superior): February 2004-May 2009. New face mold and new sparkly eye chips. The new head of the doll is fashioned from a complete piece of plastic.

RBL (Radiance): December 2006-present. New face mold to look more Kenner-like, including a slightly wider eyes.

FBL (Fairest): March 2009-present. New face mold which Takara claims was based on the EBL mold. Includes matte skin, smaller eye holes, and a more button nose.

Ashton Drake Galleries produced nearly exact replicas of the 5 original Kenners in 2005-2006, along with replicas based on the original Kenner outfits. There were, however, noticeable differences in the face mold, in which the first release reproductions had skin-tones with a slight green tint, eye holes are wider, and the colours of the make-up quite vibrant. A second release of 5 more reproductions in 2007 showed a significant change in skin tone, less green and more peach-pink. Both releases do not have the Takara "shine" on their faces. Ashton Drake in total released 12 different full-sized Blythes, but ceased production in 2008.

This is the kind of detailed material that per WP:NOT is not so suitable to wikipedia and perhaps is more suitable on a collector site or fansite. I have attempted to summarize the above more succinctly in the article text. Siawase (talk) 20:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

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If we were to change the terminology, we should do so consistently. Both of these pages most naturally should link to Venus, which is better than the current content-poor disambiguation pages such as Morning Star, which would be confusing since the pages make no prominent mention of these terms. I'm guessing we should change the preamble to accomodate the links, saying that the ancients saw two celestial bodies that were alter discovered to be one.

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Brain coral

Brain coral is a common name given to various corals in the families Mussidae and Merulinidae, so called due to their generally spheroid shape and grooved surface which resembles a brain. Each head of coral is formed by a colony of genetically identical polyps which secrete a hard skeleton of calcium carbonate; this makes them important coral reef builders like other stony corals in the order Scleractinia. Brain corals are found in shallow warm water coral reefs in all the world's oceans. They are part of the phylum Cnidaria, in a class called Anthozoa or "flower animals". The lifespan of the largest brain corals is 900 years. Colonies can grow as large as 1.8 m (6 ft) or more in height.

Brain corals extend their tentacles to catch food at night. During the day, they use their tentacles for protection by wrapping them over the grooves on their surface. The surface is hard and offers good protection against fish or hurricanes. Branching corals, such as staghorn corals, grow more rapidly, but are more vulnerable to storm damage. Like other genera of corals, brain corals feed on small drifting animals, and also receive nutrients provided by the algae which live within their tissues. The behavior of one of the most common genera, Favia, is semiaggressive; it will sting other corals with its extended sweeper tentacles during the night.

The grooved surface of brain corals has been used by scientists to investigate methods of giving spherical wheels appropriate grip strength.

Genera

 * Barabattoia Yabe and Sugiyama, 1941
 * Bikiniastrea Wells, 1954
 * Caulastraea Dana, 1846 – candy cane coral
 * Colpophyllia Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848 – boulder brain coral or large-grooved brain coral
 * Cyphastrea Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848
 * Diploastrea Matthai, 1914 – diploastrea brain coral or honeycomb coral
 * Diploria Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848 – grooved brain coral
 * Echinopora Lamarck, 1816
 * Erythrastrea Pichon, Scheer and Pillai, 1983
 * Favia Oken, 1815
 * Favites Link, 1807 – moon, pineapple, brain, closed brain, star, worm, or honeycomb coral
 * Goniastrea Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848
 * Leptastrea Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848
 * Leptoria Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848 – great star coral
 * Manicina Ehrenberg, 1834
 * Montastraea de Blainville, 1830 – great star coral
 * Moseleya Quelch, 1884
 * Oulastrea Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848
 * Oulophyllia Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848
 * Parasimplastrea Sheppard, 1985
 * Platygyra Ehrenberg, 1834
 * Plesiastrea Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848
 * Solenastrea Milne-Edwards and Haime, 1848

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David John Narcizo (born May 6, 1966, in Newport, Rhode Island) is an American musician and graphic designer, primarily known for his work as the longtime drummer for Throwing Muses.

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Narcizo played drums on Tanya Donelly's Lovesongs for Underdogs, Sleepwalk, Beautysleep, and Whiskey Tango Ghosts solo recordings, also performing some of the drum programming on Kristin Hersh's Sky Motel solo album.

After the first dissolution of Throwing Muses following the group's 1996 Limbo album, Narcizo started an electronic instrumental project called Lakuna, including the participation of wife Melissa "Misi" Narcizo, Bernard Georges, Belly's Tom Gorman, Kristin Hersh, and Frank Gardner. Lakuna's Castle of Crime CD was released in 1999 on the 4AD Records label and on Throwing Muses' own boutique label, called Throwing Music.

In the early 2000s, Narcizo performed with Throwing Muses again at a couple of fan events called "Gut Pageants." His trademark steady beat and agility with complex rhythms were highlighted in a self-titled Throwing Muses reunion album release in 2003, which the group supported with concert appearances in Europe and major U.S. cities that year.

Narcizo began increasingly focusing his time on his Newport graphic design firm, called "Lakuna, Inc.," co-owned with his wife, also a graphic artist. Because his new business responsibilities made it impractical for Narcizo to continue touring full-time with Throwing Muses after the 2003 concerts were completed, he helped Hersh find a drummer for her emerging 50 Foot Wave band concept. Narcizo had designed some of Throwing Muses' past album artwork; he continues with his Lakuna, Inc., graphics firm to help design album covers for bands like 50 Foot Wave, while providing print media design and promotional services for businesses in Newport.

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no, the album selling for a double album is the same that one disc.. 442000 is the number of copies sold in usa first week of entire-STADIUM ARCADIUM...NOT 221 of jupiter and 221 of mars!

in the past is always considerated double-disc sales like a single-disc album.

--That's actually not true, and you can check Billboard or the RIAA or any other reputable site if you'd care to verify. Wangoed 14:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC) I'm on UKMIX chart analysys forum -> http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=5 and they answer from my question " but the 442000 are for real 221x2 (becouse is a double disc) OR are sold 442000 "stadium arcardim" meant like a single disc (so 442000 "jupiter" and 442 "mars")????" here -> http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20740&start=75 and say "It's the RIAA which count each CD, not Soundscan which count 1 copie sold for one copie sold, do not care if it contains 1, 2 or 10 discs. So they are 442000 copies sold of Jupiter and 442000 of Mars, nearly 1 million copies (884k) according to the RIAA rules (adding shipment, this album should be 2xP very quickly). "

You've still got it wrong, but I'm leaving this up to the discussion page, where it belongs. I'd advise you, despite that irrepressible nature of yours, to do the same. Wangoed 16:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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The Jewish Museum London was a museum of British Jewish life, history and identity. The museum was situated in Camden Town in the London Borough of Camden, north London. It was a place for people of all faiths to explore Jewish history, culture, and heritage. The museum had a dedicated education team, with a programme for schools, community groups and families. Charles, Prince of Wales (later King Charles III) was a patron of the museum.

The events, programmes and activities at the museum aimed to provoke questions, challenge prejudice, and encourage understanding.

The museum closed during the covid-19 pandemic in the UK and reopened for two days a week in July 2021, but visitor numbers and income did not recover. The museum closed indefinitely on 30 July 2023, loaning collections to other heritage organisations, intending to sell the building and move elsewhere taking up to five years to plan and finance the move.

History
The museum, a registered charity, was founded in 1932 in the Jewish communal headquarters in Bloomsbury. In 1995, it moved to its current location in Camden Town. Until 2007 it had a sister museum in Finchley, operated by the same charitable trust and sited within the Sternberg Centre. The Camden branch reopened in 2010 after two years of major building and extension work. The £10 million renovation was funded by the Heritage Lottery Fund and private donations.

The museum was in a row of buildings in Albert Street that have been listed Grade II by Historic England.

Collections
The museum housed a major international-level collection of Jewish ceremonial art including the Lindo lamp, an early example of a British Hanukkah menorah. The building included a gallery entitled Judaism: A Living Faith, displaying the museum's noted collection of Jewish ceremonial art. This collection had been awarded "designated" status by the Museums, Libraries and Archives Council in recognition of its outstanding national importance. The museum's Holocaust Gallery included items and filmed survivor testimony from Leon Greenman, who was one of the few British subjects to be interned in the death camps section at Auschwitz.

The museum also had exhibitions recounting the history of Jewish life in England, supported by a diverse collection of objects. There were also collections of paintings, prints and drawings, and an archive of photographs, which consisted mainly of black and white photographs from the 1900s to the 1940s, along with militaria from the former Jewish Military Museum, which merged into it in January 2015.

Exhibitions
There were two temporary exhibition spaces. The third floor housed major exhibitions, with smaller exhibitions in the temporary exhibition space on the ground floor.

Previous exhibitions

 *  Asterix in Britain: The Life and Work of René Goscinny
 * Elsbeth Juda: Grit and Glamour
 * Designs on Britain
 * Scots Jews: Photographs by Judah Passow
 * Shaping Ceramics: From Lucie Rie to Edmund de Waal
 * Dorothy Bohm: Sixties London
 * Moses, Mods and Mr Fish: The Menswear Revolution
 * Through a Queer Lens: Portraits of LGBTQ Jews
 * Blood: Uniting & Dividing
 * Memory Quilts: Triumph Over Adversity
 * Tiger, Mog and Pink Rabbit: a Judith Kerr Retrospective
 * Your Jewish Museum: Love, Journeys and Sacrifice
 * Blackguards in Bonnets
 * For Richer, For Poorer: Weddings Unveiled
 * Designing the 20th Century: Life and Work of Abram Games
 * For King and Country? The Jewish Experience of the First World War
 * Four Four Jew: Football, Fans and Faith
 * Amy Winehouse: A Family Portrait
 * R.B. Kitaj: Obsessions – The Art of Identity
 * Morocco: Photographs by Elias Harrus and Pauline Prior
 * Entertaining the Nation: Stars of Music, Stage and Screen
 * No Place Like Home
 * World City: Refugee Stories
 * Ludwig Guttmann: Father of the Paralympic Games
 * Adi Nes: The Village
 * Roman Vishniac Rediscovered, presented simultaneously at The Photographers' Gallery.
 * Jews, Money, Myth, exploring antisemitic imagery linking Jews with money. Alongside manifestations of antisemitic imagery dating back to Judas and Thirty pieces of silver, the exhibit featured a display case of the popular Polish "Lucky Jew" figurines.
 * Charlotte Salomon: Life? or Theatre?

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99th Light Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)

The 99th Light Infantry Division (99. Leichte Infanterie-Division) was raised in November 1940 and remained in training at Bad Kissingen until the summer of 1941. In June it took part in Operation Barbarossa—the German invasion of the Soviet Union—and operated in Poland and Ukraine under Army Group South until the fall, when it was withdrawn to Germany for reorganization as the 7th Mountain Division.

In early 1942 the 7th Mountain Division was transferred to serve under the 20th Mountain Army in Lapland, and remained there until it withdrew into Norway at the beginning of 1945. It surrendered to the British there at the end of the war in May.

War Crimes
The 99th division participated in the Massacre at Babi Yar


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Welcome to the Wikipedia
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User talk:Jjatria~enwiki

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You may wish to check this article.--Taxwoman 15:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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User:Sundar/Admin related/my adminship election

Sundar
final (15/0/0) ending 19:07 7 April 2005 (UTC)

I am nominating Sundar for the post of an admin. Sundar has been a contributor here for about a year, his speciality being South India related topics. He has ~1925 edits and his featured article is Tamil language. As I've seen, Sundar has largely been immune to controversy. He has also helped copyedit the Sikkim and Mumbai articles, which have recently acquired FA status. == 19:08, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Nichalp. I accept the nomination. I think I need to ease myself into this role slowly. Hope to meet the expectations of Wikipedians. -- 05:00, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Support
 * 1) Sounds good to me. -- M e r o v i n g i a n  (t) (c) (w) 20:00, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) I support it !!!. - Santhoshguru 11:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) good user dab (ᛏ) 13:55, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. Wile E. Heresiarch 15:17, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Good nomination. --Lst27 ( t a l k )  23:25, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. --JuntungWu 06:32, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Oh yes. utcursch | talk 07:42, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Support. Makes WP more international/multicultural. Paradiso 13:04, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Support I have seen this name quite a bit when reading Indian related articles. Squash 03:34, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 10)  Yes ... Nomination has my Support - I find Sundar has been extending  support to wiki concept --Bhadani 06:34, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Support, of course. But he should be required to help searching more Admins for the Tamil Wikipedia, even if he didn't want't to become one himself, for technical reasons, I understand. --Pjacobi 19:48, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
 * 12) Very Good Candidate. Support  -- Kishore 06:43, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  11:46, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Support--Jondel 09:03, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Support : Sundar appears to be a cautious kind of editor who avoids conflicts, strives for factual accuracy, and works well with other users. A random sampling of his contributions reveals a user of the kind that we could do with more of. David Cannon 10:42, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oppose

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Comments Questions for the candidate
 * 963 edits to the main namespace. —Korath (Talk) 23:22, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that's because I put my suggestion in the Talk page before adding/deleting anything significant. Also, of late, I've been welcoming newcomers and rallying users towards improving articles that I feel as needing attention but can't be improved significantly by just me. -- Sundar 05:00, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
 * A. First is the most obvious thing - reverting vandalism. Slowly, I'll start taking up other chores as well. -- Sundar 05:00, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. Tamil language is the most important of them. This edit that I made after refining the article in a temp location gave the necessary push, but later well supported by Vadakkan and others. This section was the most interesting of them all. What started out as an example in response to a user's query grew into, arguably, a unique section in the article. Other lesser known stubs that I started and am pleased with because of they filling a gap are, to name a few, DOT language, and culpability. -- Sundar 05:00, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future?
 * A. Though, I've remained without getting involved in too many controversies, two incidents need to be mentioned here.

 * First of them was due to my first ever edit (even before registering a user account) and was solely my mistake. Yeah, I want to admit here that as an anon, I had engaged in self-promotion on Context-free grammar, almost solely because I didn't understand the philosophy behind Wikipedia., and  were those unfortunate edits. I am forever thankful to Arvindn who not only reverted me but answered my e-mail queries quite convincingly. (See User talk:Sundar/Archive3.) That made me very responsible and later when I was editing the Venpa article, I was firm that I'll not add a link to our paper myself, even though it was appropriate there. It was the same paper that I was trying to promote in the first place! Finally Dab added the link. See his comments at User talk:Sundar/Archive1. Sorry about this long confession, it gives me a big relief.

 * The second was related to my edits on the talk page of the then Google article alleging bias (I disclosed right there that I work for Yahoo!). My mistake was the wrong context. I did it under a section alleging censorship by Google, a theory which I clearly was not sympathetic towards. Alterego misconstrued that I along with the original accuser are alleging censorship by Google with a malicious intent. He thought both of us were employees of Y! (whereas only I was) and that both of us alleged censorship when only s/he was. The problem became serious for me when he posted this allegation in his blog with a very damaging title "Yahoo! conspiracy to malign Google - it's employees insert content against Google in Wikipedia" (or something like that), which he subsequently toned down following my discussions with him. (See User talk:Sundar/Archive3.) Since then, I've been extra careful with my edits. -- Sundar 05:00, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)


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Far pointer

In a segmented architecture computer, a far pointer is a pointer to memory in a specific context, such as a segment selector making it possible to point to addresses outside of the default segment.

Comparison and arithmetic on far pointers is problematic: there can be several different segment-offset address pairs pointing to one physical address.

In 16-bit x86
For example, in an Intel 8086, as well as in later processors running 16-bit code, a far pointer has two parts: a 16-bit segment value, and a 16-bit offset value. A linear address is obtained by shifting the binary segment value four times to the left, and then adding the offset value. Hence the effective address is 20 bits (actually 21-bit, which led to the address wraparound and the Gate A20). There can be up to 4096 different segment-offset address pairs pointing to one physical address. To compare two far pointers, they must first be converted (normalized) to their 20-bit linear representation.

On C compilers targeting the 8086 processor family, far pointers were declared using a non-standard far qualifier; e.g., char far *p; defined a far pointer to a char. The difficulty of normalizing far pointers could be avoided with the non-standard huge qualifier. On other compilers it was done using an equally non-standard __far qualifier.

Example of far pointer:
 * Output of the following program: 81; Because both addresses point to same location.
 * Physical Address = (value of segment register) * 0x10 + (value of offset).
 * Location pointed to by pointer p is : 0x5555 * 0x10 + 0x0005 = 0x55555
 * Location pointed to by pointer q is : 0x5333 * 0x10 + 0x2225 = 0x55555
 * So, p and q both point to the same location 0x55555.

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Talk:Bud light

This article title is not nonsense. It would be useful as a redirect to Budweiser, and does not need to be deleted. I'm going to remove the delete notice and create the redirect. -JCarriker 08:16, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Jolyonralph

Hi there! You mention that you have been importing data from Mindat.org. I think this is a very good idea. If it's a lot of work, you might want to consider asking for automated help at Bot_requests. Unfortunately the photos on Mindat are copyrighted (says so on the site) so we can't use them here unless we contact all the authors. Hope that helps! Yours, Radiant_* 08:17, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

HI
And thanks for the help with calc-sinter. DuncanHill (talk) 04:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi again
Hi Jolyon, hope you are well. There's a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents which mentions Mindat being used as a source for mineral articles. You are very welcome to contribute to the thread. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 13:42, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Written Cantonese

"on corruption"
I quote: On the other hand, some of the characters have only been corrupted in Cantonese, not disappeared in Standard Chinese. For instance, the common word leng3 (meaning pretty) is usually written with the character 靚 in Cantonese (the character has another meaning in standard Chinese). The word should rather be written with the character 令, as 令 used as an adjective to mean "pretty" still survives in the idiom 巧言令色 (roughly meaning "skillful talk and pretty manners")."

I don't know if corruption is a NPOV statement. Also, 靚 can be pronounced Liang4. The word 靚女 in mandarin means "a pretty woman." It isn't very colloquially however, and probably has classical roots. It may very well be that 靚 and 令 share the same root in the spoken language. BTW--The idiom you are citing comes from the Analeccts, and there are very few situations where "ling" mantains that meaning in modern standard Chinese.

207.76.182.20 20:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I started on a few changes but there are still a lot I want to do. I'll work more on it tomorrow. Here are some notes about the stuff I just did:

 * Removed instances of characters that are not necessary (like the use of 字 and 詞 in the headings). Remember that this is an English site so most users cannot read Chinese anyway.  The article should be written with that in mind.

 * 是/不 and 係/唔 don't really mean yes/no. The better translation is probably "to be" and "not," respectively.

--Umofomia 08:18, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Diu"
"Examples: The word "diu", meaning "fuck" does not exist in standard Chinese". I suppose that's not exactly correct, as the word is written as 屌 or sometimes 鳥 in standard Chinese, though the characters are usually used as a noun to mean "penis".--K.C. Tang 04:38, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, 屌 means "dick" or "prick" in northern China, where "鳥" is used as a slang alternatively.
 * 屌 can be a verb in southern China.
 * 屌 can be an adjective in Taiwan, which means cool. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 06:33, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * So could I correct the article? :-D--K.C. Tang 09:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Be bold. :-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 05:51, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

嘅
In anicent Chinese it was written as 忌, but I can't find the poem where it was mentioned.

geckokid 82.39.41.172 00:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I would have thought that 嘅 evolved from 個 as that character is used as a possessive in quite a few dialects as well. Also, some cantonese people still sound like they're saying 個 instead. But the use of 忌 is very interesting, hope you find it :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.147.43.82 (talk) 05:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

 * From Kangxi Zidian: 《正韻》吉器切，𠀤音懻. 語助辭. 《詩·鄭風》叔善射忌. "Zhengyun: Fanqie of 吉 and 器 (gei3), and sounds like 懻 (kei3). Grammatical particle. Poem by Zhengfeng: It is that uncle is good at shooting."As far as I know 嘅 is an actual possessive marker, while 個 is just a counter in the possessive construction SUBJECT+COUNTERofOBJECT+OBJECT.Micro01 (talk) 23:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

無 / 冇
The proper tone for 冇 is mou2, not mou5. I believe it's evolved from 唔有, m5 jau2 -> mau2. -spetz- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.44.195.34 (talk • contribs).

 * No, that's not true. 冇 is pronounced mou5, not mou2.  有 is also jau5, not jau2.  唔有 is not attested historically either.  冇 has its roots from 無 (mou4), a word that has been around for thousands of years, but the tone shifted to mou5 in order to align with the the tone of 有.  Such tone alignment occurred in other Cantonese words as well, such as the pronouns 我 (ngo5), 你 (nei5), and 佢 (keoi5).  I don't remember the reference where I originally read about this, but I believe 佢 used to be 4th tone (陽平) instead of 5th (陽上) as well.  —Umofomia 05:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I think the confusion may possibly stem from the fact that 2nd and 5th tones are currently undergoing a merger in Hong Kong Cantonese. (Bauer, R., Cheung, K.-H., and Cheung, P.-M. 2003. Variation and merger of the rising tones in Hong Kong Cantonese. Language Variation and Change 15:211-225.) Mike barrie 07:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I always thought that 冇 mou5 evolved from 没有 (trad. 沒有) mut6 jau5. --71.141.156.137 (talk) 01:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * 沒有 is a relatively new term in Chinese language comparing to 無. It is unlikely it is the root of 冇. — HenryLi (Talk) 04:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Which is understandable since the word "無" is homophonic in Mandarin to a bunch of other words. Hillgentleman (talk) 20:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

mess
this page is a mess, there's inconsistant romanization and misinformation I'm going to bookmark this and maybe fix it sometime —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.102.130.58 (talk • contribs).

Standard Chinese
"The development of new Cantonese characters is interesting linguistically, because they have never been subject to government standardization, in contrast to Standard Chinese, which has been regulated for over 2000 years. Therefore, a better understanding can be gained of the linguistics of how Chinese writing evolves, and how the script is modelled perceptually by the Chinese reader." What exactly is "standard chinese" in this paragraph? If it means standard mandarin, then no, definitely not for 2000 years! If it means "classical chinese", I have doubts that it has been regulated so strictly also

Simplified vs traditional
One thing that isn't clear from the article but obviously needs to be mentioned... I believe it's the case that most written Cantonese (particularly in Hong Kong) still generally uses the traditional form of characters from Standard Mandarin correct? Nil Einne (talk) 16:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That was certainly my impression too. --FeralOink (talk) 20:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

merge
Way too much info at Standard Cantonese, more than here, which is supposed to be the 'main article'. Some should be moved here. kwami (talk) 21:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Newzebras plopped the entire thing at the end of this article. Am moving it here so that it can be properly merged.

material to merge
Cantonese is usually referred to as a spoken dialect, and not as a written dialect. Spoken vernacular Cantonese differs from modern written Chinese, which is essentially formal Standard Mandarin in written form. Written Chinese spoken word for word sounds overly formal and distant in Cantonese. As a result, the necessity of having a written script which matched the spoken form increased over time. This resulted in the creation of additional Chinese characters to complement the existing characters. Many of these represent phonological sounds not present in Mandarin. A good source for well documented Cantonese words can be found in drama and opera (大戲 daai hei) scripts. Written Cantonese is largely incomprehensible to non-Cantonese speakers because written Cantonese is based on spoken Cantonese which is different from Standard Mandarin in grammar and vocabulary.

"Readings in Cantonese colloquial: being selections from books in the Cantonese vernacular with free and literal translations of the Chinese character and romanized spelling" (1894) by James Dyer Ball has a bibliography of works available in Cantonese characters in the last decade of the nineteenth century. A few libraries have collections of so-called "wooden fish books" written in Cantonese character. Facsimiles and plot precis of a few of these have been published in Wolfram Eberhard's "Cantonese Ballads." See also "Cantonese love-songs, translated with introduction and notes by Cecil Clementi" (1904) or a newer translation of these Yue Ou in "Cantonese love songs : an English translation of Jiu Ji-yung's Cantonese songs of the early 19th century" (1992). Cantonese character versions of the Bible, Pilgrims Progress, and Peep of Day as well as simple catechisms were published by mission presses. The special Cantonese characters used in all these was not standardized and shows wide variation.

With the advent of the computer and standardization of character sets specifically for Cantonese, many printed materials in predominantly Cantonese speaking areas of the world are written to cater to their population with these written Cantonese characters. As a result, mainstream media such as newspapers and magazines have become progressively less conservative and more colloquial in their dissemination of ideas. Generally speaking, some of the older generation of Cantonese speakers regard this trend as a step "backwards" and away from tradition. This tension between the "old" and "new" is a reflection of a transition that is being undergone by the Cantonese-speaking population.

Standard written Chinese is, in essence, written Standard Mandarin. When standard written Chinese is read aloud with Cantonese sound values, the result sounds stilted and unnatural because it is different from normal spoken Cantonese. Written Cantonese is spoken Cantonese written as it is actually spoken. Unusual for a regional (i.e., non-Mandarin) Chinese language, Cantonese has a written form, developed over the last few decades in Hong Kong, and includes many unique characters that are not found in standard written Chinese. Readers who understand standard written Chinese but do not know Cantonese often find written Cantonese hard to understand or even unintelligible as it is different from standard written Chinese in grammar and vocabulary. However, written Cantonese is commonly used informally among Cantonese speakers. Circumstances where written Cantonese is used include conversations through instant messaging services, letters, notes, entertainment magazines and entertainment sections of newspapers, and sometimes subtitles in Hong Kong movies, and advertisements. It rarely finds its way into the subtitles of Western movies or TV shows, though The Simpsons is a notable exception. Cantonese Opera scripts also use the Cantonese written vernacular.

Historically, written Cantonese has been used in Hong Kong for legal proceedings in order to write down the exact spoken testimony of a witness, instead of paraphrasing spoken Cantonese into standard written Chinese. Newspapers have also done likewise to capture more exact quotes. Its popularity and usage has been rising in the last two decades, the late Wong Jim being one of the pioneers of its use as an effective written language. Written colloquial Cantonese has become quite popular in certain tabloids, online chat rooms, and instant messaging. Some tabloids like Apple Daily write colloquial Cantonese; papers may contain editorials that contain Cantonese; and Cantonese-specific characters can be increasingly seen on advertisements and billboards. Written Cantonese remains limited outside of Hong Kong, even in other Cantonese-speaking areas such as Guangdong, where the use of colloquial writing is discouraged. Despite the relative popularity of written Cantonese in Hong Kong, some disdain it, believing that being too accustomed to write in such a way would affect a person's ability to use standard written Chinese in situations that demand it.

Forms of written Chinese in Hong Kong:

 * 1) Standard Written Chinese (traditional characters) used in Hong Kong SAR post-WWII Vernacular Reformation.
 * 2) pakwa 日常白話 Colloquial Written Cantonese - currently used in journals, advertisements, etc. in Hong Kong SAR, overseas Cantonese Chinese communities.
 * 3) Classical Cantonese Chinese - a reconstructed Neo-Classical written Chinese forms widely used in 1900s-90s Hong Kong in Cantonese opera lyrics, Cantonese Chinese poetic forms and especially in 80s cantopop.
 * 4) Classical Chinese known as wenyanwen - a written Chinese form in poems and writings from the dynastic periods.

For colloquial vernacular usage, written Cantonese incorporates an entire range of characters and particles specific to the Cantonese spoken form. This is commonly used in publicity and journalistic writing in Hong Kong and Hong Kong-influenced regions. It reads exactly as formal spoken Cantonese.

For literary and artistic reasons (such as calligraphy), standard literary Chinese, the classical wenyanwan is used.

Records of legal documents in Hong Kong also use written Cantonese sometimes, in order to record exactly what a witness has said.

Colloquial Cantonese is rarely used in formal forms of writing; formal written communication is almost always in standard written Chinese, albeit still pronounced with Cantonese sound values. However, written colloquial Cantonese does exist; it is used mostly for transcription of speech in tabloids, in some broadsheets, for some subtitles, for personal diaries, and in other informal forms of communication such as Internet bulletin boards (BBS) or e-mails. It is not uncommon to see the front page of a Cantonese paper written in hanyu, while the entertainment sections are, at least partly, in Cantonese. The vernacular writing system has evolved over time from a process of modifying characters to express lexical and syntactic elements found in Cantonese but not the standard written language. In spite of their vernacular origin and informal use, these characters have become so common in Hong Kong that the Hong Kong Government has incorporated them into a special Hong Kong Supplementary Character Set (HKSCS), as the same as special characters used for proper nouns.

A problem for the student of Cantonese is the lack of a widely accepted, standardized transcription system. Another problem is with Chinese characters: Cantonese uses the same system of characters as standard written Chinese, but it often uses different words, which have to be written with different or new characters. An example of Cantonese using a different word and a different character to write it: the Mandarin word for "to be" is shì and is written as 是, but in Cantonese the word for "to be" is hai6 and 係 is used in written Cantonese (係 is xì in Mandarin). In standard written Chinese 是 is normally used, though 係 can be found in classical literature and modern legal writing. In Hong Kong, 係 is often used in colloquial written Cantonese and therefore actively avoided and discouraged in formal writing; on the other hand, the use of 係 is relatively widespread in both mainland China and in Taiwan, in government publications and product descriptions, for example.

Many characters used in colloquial Cantonese writings are made up by putting a mouth radical (口) on the left hand side of another more well known character to indicate that the character is read like the right hand side, but it is only used phonetically in the Cantonese context. The characters, 叻, 吓, 吔, 呃, 咁, 咗, 咩, 哂, 哋, 唔, 唥, 唧, 啱, 啲, 喐, 喥, 喺, 嗰, 嘅, 嘜, 嘞, 嘢, 嘥, 嚟, 嚡, 嚿, 囖 etc. are commonly used in Cantonese writing.

As not all Cantonese words can be found in current encoding system, or the users simply do not know how to enter such characters on the computer, in very informal speech, Cantonese tends to use extremely simple romanization (e.g. use D as 啲), symbols (add an English letter "o" in front of another Chinese character; e.g. 㗎 is defined in Unicode, but will not display in Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0, hence the proxy o架 is often used), homophones (e.g. use 果 as 嗰), and Chinese characters of different Mandarin meaning (e.g. 乜, 係, 俾 etc.) to compose a message.

For example, "你喺嗰喥好喇，千祈咪搞佢啲嘢." is often written in easier form as "你o係果度好喇，千祈咪搞佢D野." (character-by-character, approximately "you, be, there (two characters), good, (final particle), thousand, pray, don't, mess, he/she, genitive particle, thing"; translation: "It's okay that you're staying there, but please don't mess with his/her stuff").

Other common characters are unique to Cantonese or deviated from their Standard Chinese usage; these include: 乜, 冇, 仔, 佢, 佬, 係, 俾, 靚 etc.

The words represented by these characters are sometimes cognates with pre-existing Chinese words. However, their colloquial Cantonese pronunciations have diverged from formal Cantonese pronunciations. For example, in formal written Chinese, 無 (mou4) is the character used for "without". In spoken Cantonese, 冇 (mou5) has the same usage, meaning, and pronunciation as 無, differing only by tone. 冇 is actually a hollowed out writing of its antonym (有). 冇 represents the spoken Cantonese form of the word "without", while 無 represents the word used in formal Chinese writing (pinyin: wú). However, 無 is still used in some instances in spoken Chinese in both dialects, like 無論 ("no matter what"). A Cantonese-specific example is the doublet 來/嚟, which means "to come". 來 (loi4) is used in formal writing; 嚟 (lei4) is the spoken Cantonese form.

加 = 叻?
I noticed that in the handy little speech particles list, someone claimed 叻 is Singapore. If I am not mistaken, they have got this mixed up with 加. One is "lek" ("smart/clever"), the other is "chia/jia" (add/plus). Whoever put that there, it is wrong. ★ Dasani ★ 01:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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Took the liberty, but Mandarin uses "好" for a similar if not same meaning, too. ex: 好多, 好快, etc.
 * Mandarin: 很 (adv. very) - Cantonese: 好
 * Hm, like "pretty" in English. — kwami (talk) 12:34, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

＂食听唔食港？＂How do I write in Cantonese " Sick Tain Aum Sick Gorng "? = ＂食听唔食港？＂ = 会说会听讲？ 68.39.175.5 (talk) 06:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

唔 is not the Cantonese pronunciation of 不
In Old Chinese, "not" is pronounced as "ma". Source Other Tai-kadai languages uses "mai", "mi" and "me" as the marker of negation.[http://wenku.baidu.com/view/50174ccfa1c7aa00b52acb6d.html Source. Look at item 37] You can even see it in Tibetan, which they use "ma"མ་ as negation marker. source (from Amdo Colloquial Tibetan) Danielsms (talk) 20:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not the pronunciation, but it's the word used: in Cantonese 唔 is used where 不 would be used in Mandarin and Vernacular Chinese. The other words are similar (though 他 is a bit more complex as two other characters in Vernacular Chinese that correspond to 佢). The example given is interesting as although there are relatively few such differences they tend to be very common words, so it's easy to form sentences which feature them as here. So I've restored the Synonyms section as it's perfectly correct as far as it goes.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 20:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Similar but not the same thing. The "ma" is not from the word "不". The scholars are still researching what is the original Chinese characters. 他 is 他. 渠 is 渠. That part confuses people that Cantonese just pronounces the words differently. It blinds people from the fact that these are different words. That part is just too misleading. "replaced x with y"..... Actually y is much much older than x, as you can see by the fact that Tibetan are using it. You can see how old it is. 佢 is the variant of 渠, which is also used in Wu (Zhejiang) and Hakka.

Even the Tibetan uses 渠 The pronunciation of 渠：

in Wu (Zhejiang), - gei

in Hakka (Canton area) - Ky

in Cantonese - Keoi (The K in here is acutally a Kh)

In Thai:Khao

In Tibetan: Kho

Also, 哋 is the variant of 等. In Wu and Hakka, "them" is also called "佢等". Danielsms (talk) 21:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I've changed it. The wording in the original article seems to imply that Cantonese just love replacing words and sound low-class.Danielsms (talk) 22:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I've seen Tibetan use something like "嘅" ge in describing procession. I confirm that Wu also use the same "嘅" but they write as "个". I will write it later.Danielsms (talk) 22:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I think your changes are misplaced and unnecessary. The point of that section – in fact of most of the article – is to highlight the differences between Vernacular Chinese and written Cantonese. The former is what many people think of as "written Chinese", as it's not only the written form of Mandarin but it's the written form used even by Cantonese speakers much of the time. But it's not a precise match for spoken Cantonese, so written Cantonese, which exists for various reasons, is different in the ways described.

 * My problem with your changes is they do nothing to help describe this. You've removed some of the examples of common words that are different between Cantonese and Vernacular Chinese/Mandarin, and added information on other languages with no context to explain why it's relevant. If it's to do with the history that's the previous section, but even there your miscellaneous translations would be irrelevant without much explanation to give context, and so be too much for the section.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 23:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I've asked for a third opinion on this, as I don't think we will agree what's needed without it.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 23:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree that 'replaced' is a problematic word, as it can imply a historical process which has not happened. The words are not cognate, and so are written with different characters. Also, Tibetan is irrelevant--if the doubts that Chinese is related to Tibeto-Burman pan out, that shouldn't affect the discussion on the difference between written Mandarin and written Cantonese. — kwami (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I have studied Chinese dialectology and etymology. Let me take a look at the diffs and see what is helpful information for English-speaking readers of this article about a language that will be unfamiliar to most readers of English Wikipedia. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Now I've had more time to look at the article, which includes some very interesting information about writings I've seen when visiting Hong Kong and Guangzhou. Let's make sure to distinguish the issue of which words are cognate from the issue of which Han characters are used to write sometimes cognate and sometimes noncognate words among the different Sinitic languages. I'll so some editing of the article in a while. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 22:16, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Actually, "ng" probably evolved from "wu" given many "wu"s in Putonghua are pronounced "ng" in Cantonese. 81.159.181.144 (talk) 03:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Cantonese is older than Mandarin, so that couldn't possibly be true. Mandarin has no ng- initial. All words that started with ng- became w- (我, Cantonese "ngo") or y-(鱼, Cantonese "jyu"; all words that started with ngi- became j- in Cantonese). Cantonese "ng" corresponds to Mandarin "wu" because Cantonese "ng" is actually "ngu"; over time this -u became silent. This also explains how 毋 (mu) became 唔 (m). 76.66.20.221 (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks to WeijiBaikeBianji for pointing out the need to distinguish between spoken words and written characters. There's related further confusion in the Synonyms section; see discussion below. I hope you or someone who knows the material, as I do not, can clean it up properly. --Thnidu (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

In names?
I'm just curious, do Cantonese people ever use written Cantonese characters to name their children? --164.67.190.148 (talk) 22:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No is the short answer. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Synonyms
This section as written is nonsensical, or at best obscure to a reader who doesn't know Chinese. [Numbering added for discussion.]:
 * Some characters used to represent words in Cantonese are synonyms of words used in standard written Chinese. For example,
 * the character for "not" (不) is the synonym of 唔,
 * the third-person pronoun (他 "he/she") is a synonym of 佢,

Synonyms are different words in the same language/variety that have almost identical or similar meanings. But the basis of this article is that Cantonese is not the same as Standard Chinese either in spoken or in written form; and therefore we should speak of "equivalents" or "translations", not of "synonyms". From studying the example chart, I think that the writer meant something like this:
 * Written Cantonese uses 唔 (Yale romanization: m̀h) for "not", corresponding to Mandarin 不 (Pinyin: bú). Similarly:
 * Cantonese 佢 (keúih) "he/she" corresponds to Mandarin 他 (tā)

and so on.

The paragraph should be corrected and retitled, perhaps along these lines, by someone who knows Cantonese; and the writing should be checked by someone with a good command of English idiom and the terminology used. --Thnidu (talk) 13:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Please cite sources for late Wong Jim as pioneer of written Cantonese
I'm unsure why famous pop singer Wong Jim is described as being a pioneer of written Cantonese. I can think of some scenarios why this might be true. However, since Wong Jim was a singer, there is the implication of oral tradition. Now I do realize that Wong Jim was not a flighty pop star. He was a graduate of LaSalle or a similar college, and WP says that he even studied, perhaps completed a Ph.D. program in sociology. Yet the statement in Section 1: History should be elaborated upon with at least a sentence of explanation. --FeralOink (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Romanisation
The romanisation of Cantonese is pretty inconsistent. Some pages, like this one, are completely in Yale, but others are in Jyutping. Some of the best resources in Cantonese, like CantoDict, are Jyutping-preferred. I would like to change the romanisations on this page to Jyutping, or at least add them alongside the existing Yale entries.

70.190.51.10 (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2012 (UTC) I think that adding the Jyutping is the way to go, and it is very good of you to offer to do the work. I had the interesting experience recently of reading an introductory Mandarin handbook for American consular officers handed out on the mainland in Nationalist territory in the early 1930's. Its Romanizations were a strangely concocted protocol, probably Yale with a lot of errors of a person who pretty much knew what they were doing. As I wrapped my tongue around each one, I came to feel that they were obviously correct, and neither more nor less correct that the very different putonghua in pinyin that I'm used to every day.

Having both, I think, gave me a better understanding of the whole. Possibly even improved my pronunciation. Who knows? Your suggested way of doing things would have the same helpful effect for Cantonese, I would guess. Thank you for taking this on! Best,

David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 14:50, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Different translations -- why?
I don't understand the reasoning for this section:

Is it theirs? Language	Characters	Romanization	Transliteration	Literal meaning Cantonese	係唔係佢哋嘅？	Yale	haih m̀h haih keúih deih ge? Be, not be theirs (s/he plural possessive)? Mandarin	是不是他們的？	Pinyin	Shì bú shì tāmen de? Is [the aforementioned thing] theirs (s/he plural possessive)?

Why are the "literal meanings" given different? While, yes, this illustrates that Cantonese uses different words than Mandarin, grammatically, this sentence is the same in both languages. The individual words are all synonyms of each other. Am I missing something?

The Answer
Yes, anonymous person, you're missing something.

Possibly several things. The one immediately relevant to your question is the fact that literally different words can have the same meaning. "Just think for a second," "Consider what it might mean," and "Look at it closely and see if the parts give me the meaning of the whole," all have exactly the same meaning, namely "Let me act appropriately in this situation of puzzlement, rather than making a fool of myself by posting an extremely stupid question in public." David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Woah now, no need to attack the poster. His/her phrasing indicates that the question was about this specific example, and assuming that's the case, he/she was largely correct. Based on the six characters in the anonymous poster's quote (係唔係佢哋嘅 for Cantonese and 是不是他們的 for Written Chinese/Mandarin) and which were in the article at the time he/she posted in November 2012, the two languages' examples are indeed morphosyntactically identical. A morpheme-for-morpheme description would be "[Copula] [Negative] [Copula] [3rd person pronoun] [plural marker] [possessive marker]" or "Is not is theirs?", which in fairly literal yet grammatical English could be expressed as "Is it theirs or not?" or "Is it [the case] or not that it is theirs?" and, more idiomatically, as "Is it theirs?"

One difference in feel between the two translations is that Cantonese questions typically end with a sentence-final 呀 (pronounced aa3 in Jyutping), the lack of which typically sounds harsh to Cantonese speakers. So unlike the Mandarin example which sounds neutral, the Cantonese example likely comes across as abnormally harsh. It looks like this was actually corrected in the article's text sometime before you responded. The article now uses the final particle 㗎 (gaa), a contraction of 嘅 (ge) and 呀 (aa), to provide that expected softness, making the two sentences equivalent both denotatively and connotatively. However, regardless of which final particle is used, the answer to what I believe the original question to have been remains the same: yes, the article's current use of syntactically different English sentences does not match up with the Chinese and ought to be changed to prevent confusion.

Dsrguru (talk) 23:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Cantonese Word Processor
About the time that Hong Kong rejoined China the Cantonese Language Society (that's not quite its name, but you'll know it when you run across it) published an electronic word processor as freeware. Very small, it reminded me of the old days when Bluebeard, only 40K in DOS, emulated WordStar, WordPerfect and the now long extinct dominant IBM word processor of the time. One of the features of this marvel that stayed with me was that it contained, it said, about 1,000 glyphs used for writing sounds peculiar to the Cantonese language family!

Now that I've signed up for a Cantonese course with Cantonese-101.com, I went looking for it again, but couldn't find it. I hope that people interested in the language will keep their eyes open for it, as shall I. If you find it, maybe add its URL to this article, and a note below here saying that you've done so. 谢谢  <= As you can see, I don't know how to do this in Cantonese. Yet. :-) David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 14:32, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

 * I don't know of it myself but I think standalone programs are much less common today. It's more usual and useful to use an input method, i.e. a plugin to the OS that lets you enter characters in any app. A modern OS comes with many builtin, or you can download them. For Cantonese which isn't as widely supported in OSes as Putonghua/Pinyin there are a number of third party input methods, some of which are listed here: Jyutping.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 15:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Forgotten Cantonese Words
"...there is still significant disagreement about which characters are correct in written Cantonese, as many of the Cantonese words existed as descendants of Old Chinese words, but are being replaced by some new invented Cantonese words due to the Hong Kong Government's lack of knowledge about some of the Cantonese words..."

Can we have a source for this? This is very interesting, and I would really like to read more research on this.

104.157.136.51 (talk) 01:35, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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The beginning of this article runs:

Written Cantonese is the written form of Cantonese, the most complete written form of Chinese after that for Mandarin Chinese. Written Chinese was originally developed for Classical Chinese, and was the main literary language of China until the 19th century. Written vernacular Chinese first appeared in the 17th century and a written form of Mandarin became standard throughout China in the early 20th century.[1] While texts written in this system can in principle be read word for word in other Chinese varieties, this sounds unnatural because of differences in idiom, grammar, and usage. Modern Cantonese speakers have therefore developed their own written script, sometimes creating new characters for words that either do not exist or have been lost in standard Chinese.

I am kind of confused by the bold section: 'this system' is ambiguous, since the preceding sentences mention several written forms; does 'this' refer to written Cantonese, written vernacular Chinese, or written Mandarin? Please clarify. Harumei (talk) 15:51, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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As someone who never watched this show,just a suggestion: much is made of †he resemblance of the title character to Sherlock Holmes, but may I remind everyone that Holmes himself was partly based on a real Scottish doctor, Joseph Bell and I think the show's creators must have been aware of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bell Ed (talk) 18:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

 * If you can find a reference that says the creators based House on Joseph Bell then please add it. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 21:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

new bollywood show that resembles house
there is a new bollywood show that greatly resembles House M.D.

Cant find any evidence online that its an official remake for Indian audience but still might be worth a mention

Show name: Dr. Ram

trailer: https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseMD/comments/8wwoev/so_theyre_making_a_house_md_ripoff_in_india/

episodes: https://www.mazhavilmanorama.com/videos/playlists/drram.html
 * We can't mention it (because of WP:NOR) unless you can find a citation for this. --Yamla (talk) 10:11, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/malayalam/does-dr-ram-live-up-to-dr-houses-expectations/articleshow/65185652.cms

 * Is that enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7C2F:E000:8976:E62:FE97:C7A0 (talk) 10:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "Comparing House MD and Dr Ram is unfair", "A lot of aspects about Dr House were stripped", etc. Seems to me, this would be a reasonable citation indicating the shows are not a remake. Regardless, it makes no claim about it being an official remake so no, this is unsuitable. --Yamla (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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Change name to House M.d.
IMDB and cover art calls the show House M.D. That is the name of the TV show. We chilled change the name of the article to House M.D. Warmallis0n (talk) 21:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This was discussed to death a long time ago. Search the talk archives. - Seasider53 (talk) 10:45, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Deleting incorrect reference
The statement that "Wilson's address is also 221B." is incorrect. The writer references the episode "Hunting"; near the beginning of that episode, House and Wilson are outside House's apartment building which is marked as 221B. Wilson's apartment/house is not shown in that episode. 2600:4040:2DBD:DD00:95B9:2373:D910:7DE5 (talk) 14:36, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Ultra large format

Ultra Large Format (ULF) photography refers to photography using cameras producing negatives larger than 8x10" (20x25cm).

The ULF photography 'movement' has known a revival in the last few years, and is still expanding, along with film photography which, despite the very large market share of digital photography, still has many practitioners. Black and white panchromatic film in the various ULF sizes is still being produced, Ilford and Adox are two such manufacturers.

Origins
In the 19th century photographic materials were not sensitive enough to light to allow for enlarging, and though after the advent of images on glass, enlargers became available in 1857 in the form of the solar camera, for most photographers they were too expensive and impractical until the 1880s when gas or electric light and faster materials arrived. Consequently prints were made by contact which meant a large negative was needed if one wanted a large picture, which usually required a view camera.

Advantages

 * The sheer size of the negative allows for very precise detail reproduction.
 * Large negatives can be used to make contact prints, which is a method used with many alternative photographic processes.
 * Images produced have a presence that is difficult to obtain through any other means - mostly the quality of a contact print instead of enlargement.
 * The view of the scene through such a huge ground glass is a remarkable experience, and allows much greater freedom in composition.
 * ULF offers the opportunity to practice in-camera shooting, where sensitive paper (as opposed to negative/positive film) is placed in the film holder. This can be done also with conventional large format cameras, but of course the overall result - given the much smaller size - is less impressive and satisfactory.

Encumbrances

 * Ultra Large Format cameras, as well as lenses with sufficient image coverage for large film formats, are generally very costly and heavy.
 * High cost of film - most films must be specially cut, and require custom film holders, often built by fine wood workers, as there are no international standards for film holders beyond 11" x 14" (30 cm x 40 cm) with the exception of 14" x 17" - the size of X-Ray and MRI films - which is indeed an international standard.
 * Cumbersome to manipulate, which slows down the photographic process significantly. Logistics involving the camera also becomes challenging due to its size and weight.

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Talk:Keiko Agena

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I disagree. I think her actual birth year is 1973 based on two sources:

1) People Magazine, as shown in the "Press" section of her official website, where it states she is 28, as of mid-2002.

2) A teen magazine issue, circa 2001?, where Keiko's senior prom was stated as taking place in 1991, which generally happens in the year you turn 18, thereby supporting the 1973 birth year.

Is the material in the article copywritten? --12.151.32.25 08:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

According to the December 1, 2002 In Step With, Parade Magazine Keiko was born on October 31, 1979.
I got all this information from the December 1, 2002 In Step With Parade Magazine interview. Yes, her birthday is October 31, 1979. It said so on Parade magazine...and I trust Parade more than on imdb.com. I can't believe you guys actually thought she was born in 1973. I mean that's such a big age difference. Keiko doesn't even look like she is 31. She looks more like a 25 year old.

(Kyla 20:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC))

 * There are plenty of other references to her being born in 1973 — here, here, here, and here. I don't think there's any reason to disbelieve these claims. (It's quite possible to look younger than you actually are — some actors make quite a good career out of it...) -- Vardion 21:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Parade magazine had an interview with Keiko Agena. Why would she lie about her age? imdb is wrong. she is 25 years old. (Kyla 23:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC))

why don't you look at Parade magazine and see for yourself? Maybe it's just a mistake...and people keep following that it's October 3, 1973. whatever it is i'm changing to 1979 because it makes more sense...and I believe Parade magazine than some crappy internet source. (Kyla 23:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC))

 * Keiko Agena @ Filmbug

here's proof..she is 25 years old!!!!! it's on the bottom under facts..

(Kyla 00:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC))

 * Why is this magazine, whatever it is, more likely to be correct than several websites? Unless she's actually quoted by the magazine as to her age, there's no reason to suppose they actually asked her — they could have followed the wrong source just as easily as anyone else. (And why is the Filmbug website "proof", when the others are just "crappy internet source"?). If you like, we can list the year as disputed (I just did), but I see no reason to just accept one claim at face value and reject the other. -- Vardion 06:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with Vardion on this issue. IMDb can be considered a reliable source via the web because it can be updated frequently. A magazine however, would have to publish a correction in their next issue to sort out a problem if it's even caught. Is there any way to reach a 100% sure answer as to which date is correct? --Nenuial 18:34, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Controversy about Keiko's age!
There seems to be a controversy about her age. I hate magazines that lie! they suck....i hate everyone that lies...how am I ever supposed to trust reading a magazine again? If information on magazines are wrong, then what's the point of reading them? You read them b/c it's true...Now who's going to read the tabloids...maybe all of it is untrue. I guess I'll never know..gossip is stupid and boring...who wants to know a celebrity's life anyway? There's no point. (Kyla 19:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC))

Official site supports October 3rd, 1973 birth date
Go to http://keikoagena.com, which is her official site to the best of our knowledge. Click on FUN. Click on FAQ. Then click on FORUM, (but make sure you have done all the previous steps exactly as some links seem to be a bit off.)

It says she is 32 years old on the myspace website that her official site links to which means she had to be born in 1973. Additionally, it says she is a libra which happens to support the October 3rd birth date as opposed to the October 31st birth date.

Please consider that magazine articles will now and then get information incorrect concerning someone famous (or infamous). I've seen it done before. However, since Keiko's official site links to a myspace which gives the above information (the 2nd paragraph in this discussion I made), it's best to assume it correct until her official site decides to make a statement saying otherwise.

--Doomstars 08:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Real Name?
Over at Keiko's website, her first name is Christine, and her middle name is Keiko. What gives?--BigMac1212 01:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Japanese spelling of name
I've asked WikiProject Japan to check the Japanesse spelling just added to the article by an anonymous user. Please do not remove it until it's been checked. -Duribald (talk) 09:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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