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Talk:Steve Yzerman

name
I think the name should be Steve Yzerperson to be more inclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.186.117.34 (talk) 20:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

2006
Someone have a good picture of Steve? The man deserves to have a picture!

Why is the information about Steve's family constantly being deleted?

 * Kittens, nephews and nieces are hardly notable. ccwaters 15:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

maybe not notable, but not unimportant. I know for a fact that they don't have a little kitten friend named tubby.

 * Explain the encyclopedic value of that information. ccwaters 22:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

General Background informatin on the person, the same kind of information that would be seen in a biography. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.183.219.243 (talk • contribs).

 * You might want to read Biographies of living persons. There are two important issues: verifiability -- what are your sources?  The second issue is that discussing relatives when they aren't essential to the article intrudes on the privacy of non-public figures.  If you don't see the issue with this re-read Biographies of living persons.  There are other problems.  For example, the kitten will be a cat very soon; who will keep such trivialities current?  --Straif 01:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, the fact that he has nieces and nephews and kittens is irrelevant. But I find the information about his wife and 3 children highly relevant. In fact, I looked up his biography specifically to find information about Lisa and his 3 daughters, as I am always curious about athletes' life outside of the playing arena. Why is this being deleted? As a professional athlete, he is a public figure just like a politician or actor is a public figure. The assertion that he is a non-public figure is wrong. Please direct me to somewhere which says an athlete is not a public figure. --Wingnut 18:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It's Cool!
Alakazam here! I'm just gonna add Yzerman's stats from databasehockey.com and hockeydb.com. Both sites have stats on past and present hockey players. Just 2 let U guys know!

Retire, Yzerman Team Canada sweater?
I thought, Yzerman's number "retirement" was just for this team 2006 Winter Olympics Men's hockey team. GoodDay 19:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Minor is/was issue
I changed 'was a hockey' to 'is a retired hockey. 'Was' makes it look like he is dead, Hdw 19:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

(sighs)
Yeah, yeah, I know, this has nothing to do with the article, but Yzerman was one of the great class acts in hockey history. I predicted in the late nineties that he'd retire as the greatest player never to win an award or an All-Star accolade, whereupon he promptly went out to do both. This Bostonian salutes you, Steve; you were a pro's pro, and hockey's a poorer sport today without you in a red and white sweater. Ravenswing 21:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree, I have to say something. As a native Detroiter, I'm sad to see Steve Yzerman retire, but I think we all knew it was coming sooner or later. Thank you for all the wonderful memories, and I wish you a pleasant and restful retirement. The hockey world will miss you! Avalyn 00:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

 * You know I always found him and Joe Sakic to be alike in so many different ways, their similiarites outweigh their differences. Yzerman was the only one of those great players who had careers stretching from the early 80's until well into this decade. It is the end of an era in the NHL, very fitting because it is now a completely different (I'd say better) game than it was when I first started paying attention to hockey as a kid ten years ago. Now all the superstars from back then are almost gone. Messier, Francis, Yzerman, Lemieux, Hull, Robitaille, Andreychuk, MacInnis, Damphousse, (more or less Hasek and Belfour), all retired in the last two years. They were all legends, but now we finally have a great new era of young superstars, Staal, Ovechkin, Crosby, Phaneuf, Lundqvist, Cheechoo, Thornton, Richards, Lecavalier, Marleau, Gagne, Heatley, Kovalchuk, Spezza, Gionta, Gomez, Jokinen, Pitkanen, Bouwmeester, Hemsky, Nash, Bergeron, Afinogenov.... I could go on all day. We should cherish the next 15 years with these guys, cuz they'll fly by like Yzerman's career. Number One Yzerman memory was his 96 OT Goal to eliminate the Blues. Also amazing he played his whole spectacular career with the Red Wings. Croat Canuck  Go Jays Go   02:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

 * As a kid I always idolized Stevie, despite the fact that I was never a big Red Wings fan. I wanted him to play one more season to maybe climb up the all-time scorer's list by a few spots, maybe pass Francis for 4th, but part of me knew he'd retire. He will be dearly missed in the hockey world. CptUnconscious 14:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Yzerman' retirement creates a Red Wings situation (not seen since 1986). Who'll be the next RW captain? We'll have to wait and see. GoodDay 14:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Lidas, Drapes or Z, or none, with the three mentioned as A Hdw 17:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Faceoff
I won't presume to change the page myself, as I'm not entirely sure of the stats or other such "proof". But should there be something about his proficiency at faceoffs. Up until the his retirement, he continued to win faceoffs over much younger players. Theaterdude88 03:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Captain America
I deleted this: "nationality_2 = United States". If he's born in Canada, he's Canadian. Trekphiler 🇨🇦 14:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC) (Of course, maybe I'm biased.)

On May 9, 2001, both Steve Yzerman and his wife Lisa took oathes of U.S. Citizenship at Bloomfield Hills Middle School in Bloomfield Hills, MI. All three of their children are U.S. citizens as well. In the eyes of the Canadian Government, they may both continue to be Canadian citizens. But regardless of personal bias, both Steve and Lisa are naturalized U.S. citizens.

 * So why isn't this information in the body of the article? It would certainly end the ridiculous edit war that seems to be going on about this issue. 69.7.203.153 (talk) 23:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

 * The flag should be removed. It's an infobox for a hockey player and from a hockey standpoint he has no connection to the USA.--Львівське (talk) 06:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Detroit 500
I noticed a mention of when he hit 600, but not 500. Howcum? I'd say 500 is the biggie. (And Patrick Roy gave up Y's 500h...)  Trekphiler 🇨🇦 14:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Tsakmakas
I removed the name "Tsakmakas" from Steve's full name at the top of the entry since there is no verifiable source to indicate that it's actually part of his full given name. AuntieNancy19 01:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Whomever keeps adding "Tsakmakas" to Steve's name, please stop it. There is NO proof that this is part of his name. AuntieNancy19 05:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop adding Tsakmakas to Steve's name - again, it cannot be verified as part of his name. If you have a source that indicates Tsakmakas is part of Steve's name, please post a link to it. Otherwise, STOP undoing my edits. AuntieNancy19 19:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Nickname
Per WP:HOCKEY's decision to remove the nickname field from the infobox, it is being moved here for use later. "| nickname = The Captain Stevie Y Stevie Wonder " -Djsasso (talk) 21:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Punched By Fan?
Should It Be Noted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KingRaven44 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Jewish?
I was reading a discussion forum and a supposed cousin of his posted his drivers license and family history to prove that both him and Steve Yzerman are Dutch Jews. Is there any verifiable sources for this?

Olympic jersey retirement
I have re-added the Olympic jersey retirement into the "Awards and achievements" section and moved up a reference from "International statistics". Yes, Joe Thornton wore #19 at the 2010 Olympics so a note was added to indicate that. Unfortunately, the ref link http://tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/story/?id=146949 is now dead, so still searching for more info. Unclear if the retirement announced by Wayne Gretzky was just for the 2006 Olympics, or all time. — MrDolomite • Talk 16:31, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note left at Talk:Canada_men's_national_ice_hockey_team for common discussion area. — MrDolomite • Talk 16:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that Thornton wore #19 in 2010 is a pretty clear indication that his number was not retired. I seem to recall Gretzky making the announcement, but I don't know that it was anything endorsed by Hockey Canada, or just Gretzky saying no one was going to wear it in 2006.  I would remove the info until it can be verified, rather than adding it and seeking verification.  Canada Hky (talk) 17:37, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Removal of GM Record
Leech44, you said in your edit that there was a discussion about not having GM records in your notes on your edit (which you marked as minor) however you yourself said you could not find said discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Archive60#General_Manager_Records If you found the original discussion that you thought existed, then I would request a link to it. If that is the discussion that you are referring to, then the consensus (across 5 people and 2 days) was that "not many sites track it". Charwinger21 (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Feel free to re-initiate the discussion at the hockey project. --Mo Rock...Monstrous  (leech44) 19:32, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Stepping down as Tampa Bay GM
Officially, Yzerman has stepped down as Tampa Bay's GM, and has told players he's going "back to Detroit", however he has not clarified whether that means he's going to work for the Detroit Red Wings in some capacity (a safe...ish assumption) or if he is simply returning to his adopted hometown. He has maintained a residence in Detroit throughout his time in Tampa Bay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chico129 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Next Red Wings Coach
I think Detroit needs Girard Gallant as it’s next Head Coach. He is a winner with Florida, Las Vegas, and NY Rangers. And he is a former Red Wing. You need to pay whatever he wants to bring back Lord Stanley’s Cup to HockeyTown! 72.240.141.222 (talk) 23:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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Rusty Humphries

Ralph Edward "Rusty" Humphries (born August 29, 1965) is an American broadcaster, conservative political commentator, award-winning journalist and songwriter. Humphries' former nationally syndicated radio show, The Rusty Humphries Show, aired on over 250 stations with an audience of 1.7 Million listeners per night, ranked as the 6th largest radio talk show in the USA according to Talkers Magazine, from 2000 to 2015.

Talk shows
Humphries has hosted radio shows in New York City, Dallas, San Diego, Atlanta, Fort Wayne, Chicago, Los Angeles, Reno, Seattle, Kansas City and Portland.

Humphries was named one of "America's 100 Most Important Radio Talk Show Hosts" for 17 years in a row, and he was nominated as "Talk Personality Of The Year" by Radio & Records in 2006. Humphries was inducted into the Nevada Broadcasters Hall of Fame as its youngest inductee ever. He was ranked number 14 in the Talkers Magazine "Heavy Hundred" for 2013.

After his two "Rusty Humphries' Salute to the American Veterans" concerts drew a 7,000-person, sold-out crowd on Veterans Day in 1999 and 2000, Humphries was named "Reno's #1 local entertainer."

In addition to his national program, Humphries simultaneously hosted a local show in Atlanta on WGST for 2010 and 2014.

Humphries has produced five musical albums, including Bomb Iraq: Rusty Humphries Takes On the Terrorists, and Greeting from America: Wish You Were Here, a compilation album made for American troops serving in Iraq.

His podcast, We Review Everything, was cohosted by Orson Scott Card.

On-air stunt and arrest
Humphries, while a personality at KEGL in Dallas, Texas, was arrested, during a live investigative report, after he successfully "smuggled" a toy knife, a toy gun, and toy hand grenades into the DFW Airport as an on-air investigation into security problems on January 15, 1991.

Personal life
Humphries graduated from Mount Rainier High School of Des Moines, Washington, in 1982. Humphries graduated from the University of Washington of Seattle, Washington, in 1986.

Humphries is a singer/songwriter. Rusty has two young daughters, Katelynn and Karaline. Humphries' wife, Ami Kathleen, died on July 17, 2008, after a long battle with interstitial cystitis. Humphries discussed her death when he returned to the air on July 28, 2008.

Humphries' father was killed in the Vietnam War on January 26, 1969.

Humphries helped raise US$1500000 as part of Nevada's contribution for the National World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

Partial discography

 * Bogged Down by Reality (as "Rusty and the Boneheads") (1993)
 * Bomb Iraq: Rusty Humphries Takes On the Terrorists (February 2003)
 * Greeting From America: Wish You Were Here
 * Thank Allah I'm a Jihad Boy (October 2006)

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Nationality
Given that Amonte was born in the US and plays for the US national team, I've changed it to reflect this. If there is more information about his nationality do post it here and change it accordingly. --Legalizeit 05:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

most underrated hockey players
one of the most underrated hockey players. Its strange that he has such a small article on him —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.103.158.84 (talk) 02:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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A Southern Yankee

A Southern Yankee is a 1948 American comedy western film directed by Edward Sedgwick and starring Red Skelton, Brian Donlevy and Arlene Dahl.

The film is loosely based on Buster Keaton's The General (1926). Skelton plays a Union soldier who spies on the Confederacy during the American Civil War. Keaton served as a technical advisor for the film.

Plot
In 1865, Aubrey Filmore works as a bellboy at the Palmer Hotel in St. Louis. Aubrey wants to work as a spy for the federal government and contacts Colonel Clifford M. Baker at the Secret Service to ask if he can help their elite spy unit, but Baker refuses the request.

Posters are distributed warning the public of a cunning spy named the Grey Spider. When Major Jack Drumman comes to stay at the hotel, Aubrey discovers that he is the Grey Spider, but the major catches Aubrey and tries to force him to wear Confederate clothes to look like the Grey Spider so that he can shoot him as a spy.

Before the major's plan is realized, Aubrey accidentally knocks him unconscious. Major Drumman's alluring accomplice Sallyann Weatharby enters and Aubrey falls in love with her. Aubrey agrees to join Sallyann, posing as the Drumman, to a meeting with important Confederate spies.

Before Aubrey leaves the hotel, he leaves a message for Baker telling him of his plans. Aubrey is then involved in a complicated scheme to intercept the Union forces and is given the important task of delivering the Union battle plans to the Confederate General Watkins. He is ordered to meet up with Sallyann at Morgan's Landing, a hospital near the battlefront.

Upon returning to Colonel Baker with the plans, Aubrey helps to make fake plans to replace the real ones, and is reluctantly ordered by the colonel to continue posing as Drumman and also to deliver instructions to a Union spy. Aubrey mixes up the plans and instructions and because he is wearing Confederate and Union uniforms at the same time, both armies shoot at him and he is knocked unconscious. He is carried to Morgan's Landing and Sallyann is there waiting for him as planned.

Sallyann's fiancé Kurt Devlynn, who is also a spy, is there. As Sallyann has fallen in love with Aubrey, she tells Kurt that she now loves Drumman. Aubrey wakes, finds the lost instructions and escapes the hospital.

Kurt tells his men to dress in Union uniforms and intercept Aubrey (whom he believes to be Drumman) to steal the battle plans. When arriving at Sallyann's father's plantation, Aubrey mistakenly delivers the spy instructions instead of the plans, and Union spies steal the plans and Confederate spies retrieve them. General Watkins receives the plans and Aubrey's Union spy contact Captain Lorford receives the instructions.

That night, Aubrey is courting Sallyann when he is supposed to be stealing the plans from the general. The Confederates realize that a Union spy is in the house and set a trap to catch him. But instead of catching Aubrey, they catch the real Grey Spider, Drumman, believing that he is a Union spy.

As everyone thinks that the Union spy has been caught, Aubrey is able to get the plans from General Watkins. But soon after, Drumman's father appears and exposes Aubrey. When Aubrey is brought outside to be executed for treason, he is saved by Sallyann, and end of the war is declared.

Cast

 * Red Skelton as Aubrey Filmore
 * Brian Donlevy as Kurt Devlynn
 * Arlene Dahl as Sallyann Weatharby
 * George Coulouris as Maj. Jack Drumman aka The Grey Spider
 * Lloyd Gough as Capt. Steve Lorford
 * John Ireland as Capt. Jed Calbern
 * Minor Watson as Gen. Watkins
 * Charles Dingle as Col. Weatherby
 * Art Baker as Col. Clifford M. Baker
 * Reed Hadley as Fred Munsey
 * Arthur Space as Mark Haskins
 * Joyce Compton as Hortense Dobson

Reception
The film earned $1,981,000 in the U.S. and Canada and $566,000 elsewhere, resulting in a profit of $263,000.

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Cleanup
TSOP is an acronym of Thin Small-Outline Package.

This simply refers to the physical shape and size of a "chip". Like a lot of electronic terms it can often be used to refer to its most common use, even though that use has little baring on physical chip packaging.

For example, electronic devices would often have DIP switches. DIP simply stands for dual in-line packaging. However this physical shape and size was suitable for housing small user accessible two position switches.

Another term, although not packaging related is CMOS (Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor). This in itself is a silicon technology. However chips of this type where so commonly used for PC's NVRAM that the term became synonymous with the settings used to control a PC's BIOS, i.e. CMOS settings and BIOS settings can be switched in conversation without causing confusion.

Similar acronym overloading appears to be forming with the XBOX BIOS/firmware. It would appear to be stored on a chip of TSOP form. Hence numerous references to XBOX TSOP upgrades.

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This article seems to be about acronym overloading. There is no description of TSOP, other than expanding the acronym.
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Peel Engineering Company

The Peel Engineering Company was a manufacturing company based in Peel on the west coast of the Isle of Man that primarily made fibreglass boats through its subsidiary company West Marine Ltd. and fairings for motorcycles.

Description and history
The sports fairings were recognisable for their styling with integral 'blisters' enclosing the handlebar-ends and rider's hands, and were available for racing, named Mountain Mile, with a similar sports-style for road use incorporating a distinctive, large rectangular Cibié headlamp, named Peel 707. A different design was for touring, aptly named TT Tourer.

The company built an experimental hovercraft design in 1961 powered by a 500 cc Triumph engine.

In 1965, Peels arranged for all fairing production to be transferred under licence to Mike Ivory of Luton, Bedfordshire, England. Prototype and development work continued in the Isle of Man.

Peel Engineering developed the Peel Manxcar concept vehicle, and the Peel P-1000 4 wheeled microcars, and the Peel P50 and Peel Trident 3 wheeled microcars, in addition to the Peel Viking Sport and prototype GRP Minis for BMC. These models constitute the only automobiles manufactured on the Isle of Man; the company ceased manufacture in 1969.

A limited-run Peel Manxkart go-kart was also produced.

The Peel P50 is in the Guinness Book Of World Records as the world's smallest production car.

The Peel Engineering Company referred to in this article later became Peel Engineering Ltd. Originally launched in 1965, it dissolved in 1974 and the brand relaunched in 2010.

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tablet
The tablet mentioned in the news release is probably imatinib (Glivec). JFW | T@lk  19:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrestling
I wasn't sure but is this the same Jason Blake who has performed in wrestling? There was a Jason Blake that performed on WWE Heat on May 2nd 2004 (TV.com). Govvy (talk) 13:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Picture
I'm not sure who upped that picture, but it is certainly not Jason Blake. A glance at the history shows that someone has reverted that before, and it was put back, so it seems an eye need to be kept on this page. 149.72.63.0 (talk) 15:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

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Can't we put up a double nationality in these infoboxes? I gave a few tries but gave. So I replaced USA with Canada, because even though he was born in New York, he grew up in Montreal, and he's certainly more Canadian than American. But since he played for the US a few times his US nationality should be there too, so if someone knows how to feature both nationalities that will make the article more accurate. --74.56.171.85 19:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

A bit of an EARLY "report"???

I spotted a post at the HFBoards.com ice hockey Internet forum, specifically at http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=676263&page=2, that is stating, with the source being the French language radio station in Montreal CKAC that broadcasts the Canadiens' games in French, stating that Bouillon REPORTEDLY signed with the Boston Bruins, and nothing more...why the change at M. Bouillon's Wikipedia page, stating that he's now a Bruin and not a Hab any longer, with only reports stating that, and nothing else?

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race?
is Brashear black?

...no. There are no black hockey players.

yes there are: Georges Laraque, Anson Carter to name a few. Also there are several biracial players such as: Jerome Iginla, Grant Fuhr

Pretty messed to throw that joke in there when the guy's life story includes being left behind with a madly abusive father because his mom's new husband was racist. PK Subban — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.145.229 (talk) 18:21, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Grant Fuhr retired after the 1999–2000 season. Currently there are also NHL players who are Asian (Paul Kariya, Richard Park),Inuit (Jordan Tootoo) and other First Canadians (Jonathan Cheechoo, who is Cree).Toyokuni3 (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

--and incidentally,the answer to the original question is also wrong in that, yes, Donald Brashear IS black.Toyokuni3 (talk) 18:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

No, its still wrong, he's mulatto.--Something12356789101 (talk) 02:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Did you just seriously say "mulatto"? Laodah 20:50, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

most penalized?
the article claims that brashear was the most penalized player in the Ottawa-Philly brawl... however, this only seems to be true if you don't count 10 minute misconduct penalties. If you do it was Spezza of all people. So, do 10 minute misconducts not count toward penalty totals?? Peregrine981 (talk) 22:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have come across a couple of references that state he was the most penalized player, hear is one of them I can't find the other right now, but as you indicated Spezza totaled 35 one more than Brashear so I have changed the wording to reflect that.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 18:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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 * Keep... Why delete it? It's not harming anyone. Sheesh, just like most people these days. More worried about a silly little domain that just corrects incorrect things instead of worrying about what's going on in the world around you.... -André

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am i the only one that thinks he is funny or wat???

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Talk:Chris Chelios

Chelios, to retire soon?
He's playing fine for a guy nearing 44. Retire soon? I think not. GoodDay 21:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Chelios has 5 points in around 60 games. He's slow, cannot hit well anymore and only offers wisdom in the dressing room. This man is as old as the hills. He should retire after this season.
 * Chelios has signed a 1-year contract (2006-07 season), with the Detroit Red Wings. GoodDay 15:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Tonight during the Redwings Awvalanche game just before the end of the first period around 02:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC) the anouncer on the "Versus" (OLN) network says, "Chris Chelios who is about to turn 45, shouldn't just go into the hockey hall of fame, he should go into the Smithsonian!" B4Ctom1 02:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Did he just set a record for the oldest defensman to score a goal in the playoffs? John DiFool2 22:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Plus minus
Could someone add a plus/ minus column for his stats as well as for other defensemen?--Nick Dillinger 06:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It took a while; Chelli's played forever! --Avalanchebad 05:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The birthdates in the infobox and the article are not the same

Dean Chelios
Dean players for Michigan State University, --Strefli3 (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

First Line
Sorry if I'm not doing this right, but I rarely edit wikipedia.

The first line of this article claims that Chelios "was an American professional ice hockey defenseman." The problem with this is when you refer to someone in the past tense, you are implying he or she is dead. Chris Chelios is not dead. Why is it not constructive to clarify a poorly worded sentence?Notafakeaccount123 (talk) 00:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I haven't edited anything on this page but the sentence you are referring to is worded correctly. The use of "was" here refers to his profession. As in he was a hockey player, and now he isn't. Just like I "was" in high school, and now I'm not. Clearly that does not necessarily imply death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.181.11 (talk) 22:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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Great guy - was in a few classes in college with him, and he always had that good guy demeanor. I miss watching him play. Bgarlock (talk) 23:11, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

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Belper railway station

Belper railway station serves the town of Belper in Derbyshire, England. The station is located on the Midland Main Line from London St Pancras to Leeds via Derby, approximately 8 mi north of Derby.

History
The line was surveyed by George Stephenson for the North Midland Railway Company, and opened in 1840. The Strutt family who had built cotton mills and had become the primary landowner, were great supporters of the line and had invested in it. They feared, however, that it would interfere with the water supply to the mill and affect both theirs and their employees' livelihood, so initially suggested in 1835 that the line should proceed by Holbrook.

This proved unsatisfactory and, in the 1836 Act authorising the line, the proposed route took it to the east of the Derwent through Milford then to the west past Belper. This "Milford Deviation" was still not acceptable, so a revised Act was approved in 1837.

This entailed the building of Milford Tunnel and the excavation of a long cutting, at enormous and unexpected expense, with eleven bridges in the space of a mile. The cutting, lined with gritstone, is now a grade 2 listed building.

North of Belper, the engineers paid the penalty of following a river valley, with two long bridges over Belper Pool, plus two more, before reaching Ambergate.

The original station was built on the south side of Belper, just before the cutting, designed by Francis Thompson in an Italianate design. A coach, or omnibus, ran regularly to it from the Lion Hotel in Bridge Street. However, this proved so unpopular that the Midland Railway built a new station in 1878 within the cutting, at the town centre, next to King Street. This had platforms with access ramps for each of the two lines, both provided with waiting rooms, in the standard Midland Railway design. The booking office and other facilities were at street level. Since the new station lacked sidings, the old station remained in use for many years for the processing of goods traffic.

Originally the station was a stop on the Midland Railway's main line from London St Pancras to Manchester Central, which travelled through the Peak District.

When this line was truncated to its present terminus at Matlock in the late 1960s and following withdrawal of the Manchester trains, the station became unmanned and in 1973 the station buildings were demolished. The bridge carrying King Street over the line was widened to make room for a number of shops, including a supermarket, which was originally Fine Fare and has subsequently had a number of occupiers, currently Poundland.

In 2005 the station was refurbished with new shelters, seats, train indicators and rubbish bins by a consortium of local volunteers, work experience trainees provided by The Groundwork Trust and the local councils, with the active support of Network Rail and Central Trains (who managed the station at that time). In April 2012 a group called Transition Belper adopted the station with the help of the Derwent Valley Line Community Rail Partnership, East Midlands Trains, Network Rail and Belper Town Council. The Community Rail Partnership continues to care for the station.

In 2009 an automatic ticket machine was installed on the Derby-bound platform, followed later by a second machine on the Matlock-bound side. These enable passengers to buy tickets (or collect those purchased in advance) before they board. In December 2009, Belper became a Penalty fare station. Where the local authority provides a discount, and if the vending machine is unable to issue discounted tickets, they can then be bought on the train.

Stationmasters

 * Mr. Brandon ca. 1860
 * Mr. Eden ca. 1861 ca. 1865
 * John Orton until 1874
 * Samuel Buxton 1875–1881 (formerly station master at Hassop)
 * William Henry Buxton 1881–1896 (afterwards station master at Lincoln)
 * Richard William Mapp ca. 1897–1901 (afterwards station master at Gloucester)
 * Thomas Pitt 1901–1905 (afterwards station master at St Albans)
 * Henry Merryweather 1905–1924
 * William Washbourne 1924–????
 * Arthur H. Washbourne ca. 1934
 * Henry Foster 1938–1947
 * Edmund T. Jackson 1947–1955 (formerly station master at Spondon)

Services
All services at Belper are operated by East Midlands Railway.

On weekdays the station is served by one train per hour in each direction between Matlock and Derby, with around half the services originating or ending in Nottingham. Saturdays also have an hourly service but all the trains originate or end in Derby.

There is also a single weekdays-only return service between Sheffield and London St Pancras International which is operated using a Class 222 Meridian.

On Sundays, there is a two-hourly service between Matlock and Nottingham in the morning, with services increasing to hourly from mid-afternoon onwards.

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Talk:Vega (rocket)

Commercial success?
Do we have any information on the commercial success of this rocket? Development (1998-2012) was heavily government subsidized, and many of the 1-3 launches per year since the first launch in 2012 appear to be either subsidized, or the result of national rulz in various European countries that favor, by law, flying on European rockets.

What is the success of this rocket in the rapidly-evolving economic market for space transport services? Cheers. N2e (talk) 14:31, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There aren't any state rules that favour European rockets with many government payloads flying on launchers from other countries and vice versa, similarly there aren't any state rules requiring US companies launches in the US other than for military/intelligence payloads. As to attracting commercial payloads there have been launches for US, Turkish, Israeli and Thai companies among others though the rocket is primarily designed to launch payloads to orbits that are significant for scientific observation missions not communication sattelities. WatcherZero (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

No mention of Vespa (Vega Secondary Payload Adapter)
No mention of Vespa (Vega Secondary Payload Adapter) as shown in - Similar to system used on Ariane 5 ? - Rod57 (talk) 11:05, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, VESPA geometry is pretty similar to Ariane's SYLDA 5 payload adapter:
 * avio.com/payload-adapters
 * Ariane 5 SPETRA & SYLDA 5
 * Vega Space System (EUCASS PDF)
 * --Pippo skaio (talk) 09:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Attribute List of Vega launches, please!
We took a rocket configurations graph from List of Vega launches and have not attributed that. Can someone attribute it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.212.131 (talk) 12:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * While I don’t necessarily agree with you because the table was originally here and was moved out of here (and the table doesn’t really ‘exist’ here just help:Transclusion it (if you edit the lists page; it will update here automatically as well, may not be immediate, but it should) I added that it’s an excerpt from that page. Is that good? Thanks for creating that page. OkayKenji (talk • contribs) 15:41, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes. The content on List of Vega launches has formatting issues here since it is not designed to be here. Can we just copy the graph and edit the heights? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.212.131 (talk) 21:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Split ? Why is Vega-C here rather than its own page
Vega-C seems very different from Vega (4 new stages ?, very little carried over?) so lets have a new page, with its own infobox and history (like Ariane 4, Ariane 5 and Ariane 6 are separate) ? - Rod57 (talk) 18:43, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Apart from AVUM the stages are the same engines, just carrying more solid propellant. P120 is exactly the same as P80 but carrying more fuel, Zefiro is the same engine just strengthened for higher exhaust pressure, an improved rocket nozzle joint and a strengthened structural casing to handle the extra propellant weight and a larger payload fairing. Avum has received the most update having more fuel, shaved 100kg of structural weight and adding a multiple restart function. Vega-C is pretty much a stretch of the existing design. WatcherZero (talk) 03:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on that rationale then Ariane 1 to Ariane 4 should share one single article. AmigaClone (talk) 11:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I still think it should be split out; as a separate article can have its own section structure and info box. Now that Vega-C has started flying, Most updates now will be about Vega-C (eg ). - Rod57 (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Might make the most sense to split the article for each Vega variant and add a Vega rocket family article. GronkDev (talk) 22:07, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree it should be split out. I came to this page looking for Vega-C and was surprised it didn't have it's own page. It's different enough that the top of the page talking about Vega is confusing if you are looking for info about the most recent Vega-C launches. Are they even planning to launch any more regular Vega rockets? Gravel for breakfast (talk) 12:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Photo of nozzle of Zefiro 23
That nozzle looks pretty crappy. Someone please tell me/us that it is a used one from a test firing???? Dr.gregory.retzlaff (talk) 03:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Vega-C deserves its own article
I think that the Vega-C variant really deserves its own article. Vega-C is a much more advanced and prograssive version of the Vega launcher with differences like we had between the different versions of the Delta rocket family. And these launchers have their own articles. So why not Vega and Vega-C? 95.117.101.160 (talk) 12:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Chris Drury

Trade
"The decision by Pierre Lacroix to trade him to the Calgary Flames for Keith Ballard and other commodities, remains unpopular amongst Avalanche fans to this day." That's weird because it never happened... AMac2002 01:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the NPOV problems with that whole section... time to take out the ol' scissors... *snip snip* AMac2002 01:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Its about time we got a new picture up, hes been on the Rangers for the last two years, and hes the damn captain of the team. 67.242.61.143 (talk) 01:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please take your camera with you to the next game then. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 01:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Its busted. 67.242.61.143 (talk) 01:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to replace the picture to a better version, that's fine, but don't remove the current picture if you don't have another one. Rtyq2 (talk) 01:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

What for? hes a Ranger now, and aside from that where are the pictures for other NHLers? 67.242.61.143 (talk) 01:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Just because some other sports/NHL players don't have a picture does not make it right to remove this one. Any image, as long as it's him, adds, not removes from the article. Also, please note this when editing Wikipedia. And again, if there is another, free image you can put up, feel free to add it to the article. Rtyq2 (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Little League World Series and Stanley Cup
I seem to recall hearing once that Drury is the only person to ever have won both the Stanley Cup and the Little League World Series - anyone have leads on this, if it is true and if not, who else may have? It's a neat stat that would be valuable in the article. Echoedmyron (talk) 22:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Checking for B class
This article was rightly raised to C class, and is very close to B class (for an example, please see Gordie Howe). What it needs is some expansion in the non-Playing career sections and I've added a few Citations needed. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 11:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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From First to Last

From First to Last is an American post-hardcore band formed in Tampa, Florida but based in Los Angeles, California. Formed by Matt Good, Scott Oord, and Parker Nelms in November 1999, the current line-up consists of Matt Good (lead vocals and lead guitar), Travis Richter (rhythm guitar and unclean vocals), and Derek Bloom (drums).

The band released their first EP titled Aesthetic in 2003 which they recorded with founding member and vocalist Phillip Reardon who left the band in 2004 due to personal and creative differences. After signing with Epitaph Records, the band recruited Sonny Moore as their new vocalist. The band's first two albums, Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Bodycount (2004) and Heroine (2006), were both underground successes, selling a combined total of 304,000 copies in the United States by 2008 without much radio airplay. The band also cultivated a large following on MySpace during this period, with the band's songs receiving over 20 million streams on the platform by March 2008.

Following the departure of Moore in February 2007 to work on his solo electronic project, the band added permanent bassist Matt Manning, and Good moved to lead vocals/guitar. After signing with Suretone Records, the band issued their third, self-titled studio album in 2008; it received mixed reviews, and despite receiving a high-profile marketing campaign from the label, the album undersold expectations. The band moved to Rise Records in late 2009, and not long after, Richter left the band. Their fourth studio album, Throne to the Wolves, was released in March 2010. In July of the same year, the band entered a hiatus.

In November 2013, the band re-formed, with Periphery vocalist Spencer Sotelo as the new lead vocalist, as well as Richter rejoining the band. They released their fifth album Dead Trees in April 2015. Sotelo departed the band in July 2016. Former vocalist Sonny Moore rejoined the band in January 2017. In May 2020, Matt Good admitted that while there are a few tracks that could be on a new album, he's unsure if it will ever come to fruition.

Formation and Aesthetic (1999–2003)
First Too Last was created in November 1999 in Tampa by Matt Good, Michael Blanchard and Scott Oord. Scott played bass, while Matt took on lead vocals and was convinced by Scott to also play guitar. Parker Nelms (drums) held practice at his house, but when the band began to travel, Parker was too young to do so. He was replaced by Steve Pullman to round out the lineup that, for the next three years, would play small shows in Florida.

In 2002, Matt joined the grindcore band The Color of Violence (at that time, called Slaughter vs Skeleton, Fetus Destroyer), where he met Travis Richter (guitar), who would later join First To Last, and Joey Antillion (bass). Some time later, Greg Taylor joined as (drums), who wrote about 4 songs, in which the Aesthetic Demos were created. After hearing the demos of what would be their first EP, Phillip Reardon (lead vocals) and Derek Bloom (drums) joined the band. By the end of the year, they had changed their name to From First To Last.

In 2003, the band released their debut EP Aesthetic on Four Leaf Recordings which featured the vocals of Reardon, Good and Richter. The EP was an underground success, and during that year, the band toured heavily across the United States with bands such as Spitalfield and Alexisonfire. On September 5, 2003, From First To Last parted ways with Joey Antillion, who was subsequently replaced by Jon Weisberg for the band's remaining tour dates for that year. On November 13, 2003, the band announced that they had signed to Epitaph Records, and said they were planning on recording their debut album in January 2004.

Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Bodycount (2004)
After the Aesthetic EP, the band wanted to move Matt Good to lead vocals. However, Good was reluctant to take on both lead vocal and lead guitar duties. He wanted From First to Last to have a frontman, to connect with the crowd better. Using the social networking site MySpace, Good came in contact with a guitarist and singer from California, Sonny Moore. Moore flew to Valdosta, Georgia, where Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Bodycount was being recorded, and was set to be the band's rhythm guitarist. However, when the other band members heard Moore singing "Featuring Some of Your Favorite Words", they decided that he was much better suited for lead singer than guitarist. Matt Good wrote the album in two weeks. Moore came in after the music was tracked and completed the vocals. Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Bodycount was released on June 29, 2004. The album went on to sell over 100,000 copies in the United States by 2006.

From late May to mid-June 2005, From First to Last participated in the "Dead by Dawn" tour with bands Emanuel, Halifax and He Is Legend.

Heroine (2006)
The band went to Radio Star Studios in Weed, California to record their second album, produced by Ross Robinson. As their previous bassist Weisberg had been formally asked to leave the band due to internal conflicts, producer Ross Robinson asked Wes Borland, former Limp Bizkit guitarist, to play bass on the album. Borland later played several tours with the band. The album was released on March 21, 2006. It opened on the Billboard albums chart at No. 25, with first-week sales of over 33,000. Shortly thereafter in April, they signed to major label Capitol Records after bidding between that label and Warner Bros.

From mid March to mid May the band toured alongside Fall Out Boy, Hawthorne Heights and The All-American Rejects for the "Black Clouds and Underdogs Tour" in support of their release Heroine.

FFTL then did a short European Tour with various bands. The band then played several dates on the 2006 Vans Warped Tour, but were forced to drop out due to surgical removal of a nodule on Moore's vocal cords. He received his second nodule surgery in early July (his first being in May 2005). Following his recovery, From First to Last went out on the "World Championship Tour" supporting Atreyu along with Every Time I Die and Chiodos. While on that tour, Moore once again had vocal cord problems and had to leave the tour. The band had planned to have guitarists Good and Richter cover Moore's vocal duties for the duration of the tour until singer of Chiodos, Craig Owens, insisted that he provide lead vocals for their sets. Atreyu eventually forced From First to Last to drop the tour. The band later explained, "Our plan to enable us to play the rest of the tour was disregarded and as our crew was setting up for the show in Worcester, MA we were informed that we were being kicked off of the tour. Understand that it was not our choice to leave this tour... we were forced to leave." Atreyu then returned a statement about the controversy concerning From First to Last's departure, saying, "They couldn't perform as FFTL and are no longer on this tour."

Borland toured with From First To Last roughly since early 2006. He announced plans for a Fall 2006 tour that never went through due to Black Light Burns needing to find a new record label after Borland left Geffen Records. Borland has discussed plans to write and perform on the next From First To Last album, but he left the band due to Black Light Burns' busy schedule started to pick up, leaving no room for work with From First to Last.

Moore's departure, lineup instability and self-titled album (2007–2009)
In February 2007, lead singer Moore left From First to Last to pursue a solo career. His decision to leave was based on his urge to create his own music, and also due to the fact that singing in the band was putting an immense strain on his vocal cords, resulting in serious damage which needed multiple surgeries in order to be fixed. Moore posted new recordings on his Myspace and was part of a band called Sonny and the Blood Monkeys. Moore now writes, produces, and performs music under the alias/stage name Skrillex, who has won 8 Grammy Awards for his electronic dance music, and now has 7 EP's and 3 Albums. After vocalist Moore's departure, From First to Last faced a crisis. Their label, Capitol Records, had dropped them due to financial problems. Without a vocalist, label, permanent bassist, or any money, the band almost split. Guitarist/Vocalist Matt Good, however, decided to take on lead vocals while still providing a backup guitar role. The band also quickly picked up Matt Manning to become a full-time bassist. The band then spent their remaining money on a studio in which to continue work on their already-written third album. The remaining members of From First to Last finished a headlining tour from July 21 through August 5 with guests Alesana, Vanna, Brighten, and Four Year Strong. Shortly before recording another album, the band played for a portion of the Show Must Go on tour with Hawthorne Heights, Secondhand Serenade, Powerspace, and Brighten, but later cancelled their dates on the last part of the tour to open for Deftones on a separate Canadian tour. After completing a full mix of their new material, From First to Last was picked up by Suretone Records. Shortly after, they re-entered the studio to record their album again, this time with a professional crew and better quality. The band recorded this time in Los Angeles, with producer Josh Abraham and seasoned engineer Ryan Williams. At midnight on November 14, 2007, they released the first single from the album, "Two as One", on their Myspace account, and they later played that song live on Jimmy Kimmel Live!. A video was made for the song "Worlds Away" which was highly publicized. Billboard premiered the album's next single "We All Turn Back to Dust" on January 23, 2008. Suretone Records organised a large scale marketing campaign for From First to Last in order to increase the band's mainstream exposure, which included partnerships with MySpace, Hot Topic and MTV. Most notably, Suretone negotiated a publishing deal with Electronic Arts which guaranteed that From First to Last's songs would appear in the next eleven video games released by the studio, including Madden NFL 09, FIFA 09 and Need for Speed: Undercover. Despite the album's marketing campaign, the album received mixed reviews and undersold expectations, only reaching number 81 on the Billboard 200 chart. Retrospectively, the band felt that the album was a failure in that it did not portray the true band as it was meant to be portrayed. Currently, they rarely, if ever, play any songs off this album, the only occasional one being the song "Deliverance!". From First to Last began their fall headlining tour, RATHER BE SLAYIN' N00BZ, starting November 1 with guests Blessthefall, A Skylit Drive, and Vanna. Around the middle of the tour, the guests changed to Envy on the Coast, Pierce The Veil, Four Year Strong, and Mayday Parade. On November 29, From First to Last announced they were going to be a part of the 2008 Hot Topic Take Action Tour. They played at the MTV Winter Valencia in Spain on March 6. On December 6, they announced they were going to be part of the 2008 Vans Warped Tour. On May 6, 2008, From First to Last released their self-titled album, and starting June 20, hit the road on the Vans Warped Tour for its entirety. On June 28, From First to Last updated their band members section of their MySpace, making Chris Lent a full-time member. From the end of September to October 12, From First to Last played on The Blackout's "Sleep All Day, Party All Night" tour in the UK, along with The Medic Droid and We Are The Ocean.

Throne to the Wolves (2009–2010)
FFTL stated that they would be on a break from touring in late 2008. Members Travis Richter and Derek Bloom were focusing on their side project, The Color of Violence, with tours soon after and a full-length debut album, Youthanize, which was released April 7, 2009. Member Chris Lent toured as the drummer for the band I Set My Friends on Fire as well as one of the two drummers for The Color of Violence (along with Jon Syverson of the band Daughters); Lent also confirmed that he is no longer a member of FFTL and is now writing/recording with ISMFOF. FFTL began writing new songs early 2009 and started demoing new songs in March 2009 for their next album, expected to be released March 2010. A full-length demo of a song on the new album was put on their Myspace at that time, as well as the previously unheard b-side from Heroine, Save Us. A Second Full Length Demo was added on July 3, 2009, and a message to fans that they would be announcing their recording schedule and tentative label. As of August 6, 2009, the band had begun to track drums for the new record at EarthSound studios in Valdosta Georgia, with Lee Dyess.

In September 2009, Miss May I announced they would be touring with From First to Last in October 2009.

On October 1, 2009, FFTL announced that they would be touring with Greeley Estates and in October and November, and also that they had signed to Rise Records.

"I want to announce officially that we've signed with Rise Records. We are all very excited about this move and think that together with Rise we can accomplish amazing things! If you're asking yourself why we made the change, well... There's a lot of aspects about being a major label that just didn't agree with the way we like to present our band and our music and I think that by ridding ourselves of that world, we are finally gonna set ourselves free to make the best music we can and that is the most important thing for us at the end of the day".

The band toured on the "You'd Be Way Cuter in a Coffin Tour" with Alesana, The Word Alive, Asking Alexandria, and Memphis May Fire in December 2009. Though recording was supposedly finished, the band was called off the road and was forced to cancel the last two weeks worth of performances – much to the dismay of fans, some of whom began to complain that the band could never finish a tour, and start rumors of a breakup – in order to go back home to Valdosta and put finishing touches on their recording. Matt Good responded to these claims and rumors

"Guys we're not breaking up no worries. we just came home from the tour early because we have to finish our record before our next tour with alesana and our time frame was looking pretty small and stressful so Rise suggested we come home a little early. It will result in our record being the best it can be, which is our No. 1 priority right now. I hope everyone can understand".

From First to Last released a new song off the album, "Going Lohan", on their MySpace page in November. The new album, Throne to the Wolves, was announced and slated for release on March 16, 2010.

In late 2009 FFTL went through yet another lineup change with Travis Richter leaving the band; no official announcement had yet been made by the band and no reason was given for his departure. Matt Good and Matt Manning have been taking over Travis's screaming role and Blake Steiner (ex-Mia Medusa guitarist), who recorded on Throne to the Wolves, is his replacement. On December 31 FFTL released the song "I'll Inoculate The World with the Virus of My Disillusionment" on their MySpace.

On Travis' departure from the band:

"It kinda just grew and grew until the dudes parted ways with me..I'd never just up and leave FFTL, I feel like they thought it was their time to move away from me, so they told me to leave.."

On January 20, 2010, From First to Last finally made an official announcement about Travis's departure from the band via Myspace.

Since the news has become public I thought I'd take a minute to address it before wild rumors started flying around. Travis has been with us since the beginning and will always be someone I care about deeply. Unfortunately though, as time goes on sometimes people grow apart from each other. There's many things I could say, but they are rather personal and I don't think they need to be discussed here. This band is and always will be about making music with my friends. We don't give a fuck about fame or money or anything. It's about doing what we love together as a family. We aren't breaking up and we aren't changing our name. As long as we are making music we are proud of and having fun together, this band will continue to exist.

We wish the best to Travis in everything he does and he is still a friend to us. I want everyone to understand that this wasn't done out of hate or spite or any other negative emotion. The vibe needed to be creative together was just gone. It happens, it's sad and all, but that's just life. Anyone old enough to have personal relationships knows that people split ways all the time. That's how life is and it isn't going to change. We appreciate everyone who has stuck by this bands side through all these years. If this upsets you so greatly that you feel you can't listen to us anymore, that's ok and we understand. We still love you anyway ; )

Just know that when bands make these decisions they are always a last resort. NO ONE wants to have to kick out a member of their band. It is never easy and always incites drama, but sometimes you have to make really hard decisions. It's part of being an adult.

Travis is now the lead vocalist for the progressive metal band The Human Abstract. Richter left the band in 2011 and became a dubstep producer with the group ModifiedNoise.

Beginning on March 13, 2010, From First to Last headlined the Royal Family Tour 2010, supported by Eyes Set To Kill, Confide, Black Veil Brides and Sleeping with Sirens. That tour concluded on April 10. Eyes Set to Kill dropped off the tour for other engagements a week before.

Throne to the Wolves was released March 16, 2010. The album was received well by critics and fans alike; getting favorable reviews from Alternative Press, and Absolute Punk. The album debuted at number 24 on the Billboard Top Hard Rock Albums, and number 45 on The Top Independent Albums. This is the band's first album not to chart the Billboard 200 since Dear Diary. After spending one week on the charts it dropped off; despite its poor debut, and first week sales of less than 4000, the album has been seen as a fresh start, and a new beginning for the band.

Starting on May 8, 2010, the band toured with Our Last Night, We Came as Romans, and A Bullet For Pretty Boy on the Welcome to the Circus tour, headlined by Asking Alexandria. The tour ended on June 9th.

On June 10, 2010, the band began playing dates through June 18 supporting A Skylit Drive on the second half of the "Go Fist Pump Yourself Tour", along with Tides of Man and Abandon All Ships. I Set My Friends on Fire were originally slated to play, but ISMFOF was forced to back out due to recording delays.

Hiatus (2010–2013)
On July 28, 2010, Matt Good announced that From First to Last was going on hiatus:

Hey guys, just wanted to take a minute to update you all with the current status of FFTL. As of now right now we are basically going on hiatus. Now before everyone starts jumping to conclusions I just want to make sure everyone knows me and the other members of the band are all still very, very close. We have been best friends for years and will continue to be for as long as I can possibly forsee, so I don't want anyone to think this is a result of animosity between them and I. There is nothing but love between us.

This is mostly a decisions based on a changing of times and the desire to start pursuing new things in our lives. This band has been the center of our lives for our entire adulthood to date. Four full length albums and almost 8 years of solid touring later, the urge to see what else we are capable of achieving is almost overwhelming and I feel like there is no better time than now to go ahead and take a leap of faith and see what happens. Just know From First To Last is responsible for everything I have in my life, good and bad, and as far as I'm concerned it will probably continue to exist until I am too old to do it anymore or dead. We love every single person that has ever helped make our dream of being musicians and traveling the world come true. I know without the people who supported us, we would be nothing and I am eternally grateful for everything. Just know we aren't going to let you guys down and we still plan on making music at some point in the future when it makes sense for all of us. For now just keep a lookout for new projects and future endeavors from all of us. Thanks for an incredible 8 years!

On July 29, 2010, Craig Owens posted a video on Facebook saying that Matt Good was the guitarist and keyboardist of his new band. On August 18, 2010, Owens announced account that the band is called Destroy Rebuild Until God Shows. The band's members include vocalist Craig Owens (Chiodos), drummer Aaron Stern (Matchbook Romance), guitarist/vocalist Nick Martin (Underminded), bassist Adam Russell (Story of the Year) and Matt Good in guitar, keyboards and vocals. Good left the band in 2012, now is a dubstep/electronica DJ with AJ Calderon in the duo Kit Fysto. D.R.U.G.S. disbanded in April 2012, as a result of the departure of lead singer Craig Owens who rejoined his former band Chiodos.

In 2011, Matt Manning and Blake Steiner formed the band Eye in the Sky. The band's members include Matt Simpson (drums), Blake Steiner (guitar) and Matt Manning (vocals and bass).

On August 20, 2013, Jon Weisberg launched his new band XO Stereo and released the first single Show And Tell with an accompanying music video. The band also features Justin Whitesel from LoveHateHero.

Reunion, introduction of Sotelo and Dead Trees (2013–2015)
In November 2013, Matt Good, Derek Bloom, Matt Manning and Travis Richter reunited as From First to Last and launched a Kickstarter campaign to fund the recording of a new EP. Good said he also reached out to Sonny Moore (Skrillex) to see if he would be interested in contributing in some way. Months after exceeding its crowd-funding goal of $25,000 by raising over $30,000, the band changed its plans slightly: the recording sessions proved fruitful and the band decided to release a full-length album instead of an EP, and the lineup changed significantly. Bloom was no longer a part of the reunion and the remaining members expanded to a six-piece with the addition of vocalist Spencer Sotelo of Periphery, drummer Ernie Slenkovich and third guitarist Taylor Larson. With the new lineup, From First to Last recorded and released an online stream of a new version of "Note to Self" – originally released on Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Bodycount in 2004 with Moore on vocals – to commemorate its 10-year anniversary. In the autumn of 2014, the band continued on with a tour with Black Veil Brides, Set It Off, William Control and Falling in Reverse.

From First to Last released the first single, eponymously titled "Dead Trees," off their fifth studio album on November 24, 2014. Weeks later in January 2015, From First to Last announced their signing to Sumerian Records for the release of their new album. On April 23, 2015, the band released Dead Trees through Sumerian.

Departure of Sotelo, Moore's return, and future (2016–present)
On July 30, 2016, former vocalist Sonny Moore, performing as Skrillex, hosted a radio show on Beats 1. The show concluded with an untitled bonus track that, as noted by Alternative Press, evoked the earlier work of From First to Last, featuring Moore's vocals. Speculation about a potential reunion circulated following a Facebook post.

August 1, 2016, saw Spencer Sotelo announce his departure from the band.

The band released a new single, "Make War," on January 15, 2017, featuring vocalist Sonny Moore and original drummer Derek Bloom's return (although the single showcased drummer Travis Barker instead of Bloom.)   Their initial performance with Moore and Bloom occurred on February 7, at an Emo Nite LA event in Los Angeles, California, at the Echoplex venue. This marked the band's first live appearance with Moore in a decade and Bloom since his departure in 2010. Longtime bassist Matt Manning also rejoined for the performance, having only briefly played alongside Moore before his initial departure from the band. Guitarist Taylor Larson was absent from the show and is no longer part of the band.

In 2017, Moore stated that "Make War" was their first composition after reuniting and expressed intentions to release more music.

In December 2017, the band premiered a new song titled "Surrender" at Emo Nite Day in Los Angeles. The track was subsequently officially released on July 23, 2018, with Bloom returning on drums. The band has maintained a low profile, primarily using social media for sporadic updates since the release.

On September 24, 2023, Matt Good confirmed his return as the lead vocalist for the band.

There is currently no confirmed information regarding Sonny Moore's position in the band since their period of inactivity. The band's last release featuring Moore was in 2017.

Musical style
From First to Last has been described as post-hardcore, screamo, alternative rock, indie rock and emo.

Band members

 * Current
 * Matt Good – lead guitar, keyboards, programming, vocals (1999–2010, 2013–present) ; lead vocals (1999–2002, 2007–2010, 2023–present) ; rhythm guitar (1999–2002)
 * Derek Bloom – drums, percussion (2002–2010, 2013–2014, 2017–present)
 * Travis Richter – rhythm guitar, unclean vocals (2002–2009, 2013–present)

Discography

 * Studio albums
 * Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Bodycount (2004)
 * Heroine (2006)
 * From First to Last (2008)
 * Throne to the Wolves (2010)
 * Dead Trees (2015)
 * Genesis (2024)

Facts

 * 1.From First to Last was initially formed in 1999 as First too Last in high school before renaming the band From First to Last in 2002. Founding member Matt Good was lead vocalist and guitarist of First to Last from 1999 to 2002 and again as From First to Last from 2007 to 2010, in which he featured as lead vocalist/guitarist on albums, From First to Last and Throne to Wolves.

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Melville J. Herskovits

Melville Jean Herskovits (September 10, 1895 – February 25, 1963) was an American anthropologist who helped to first establish African and African Diaspora studies in American academia. He is known for exploring the cultural continuity from African cultures as expressed in African-American communities. He worked with his wife Frances (Shapiro) Herskovits, also an anthropologist, in the field in South America, the Caribbean and Africa. They jointly wrote several books and monographs.

Early life and education
Born to Jewish immigrants in Bellefontaine, Ohio, in 1895, Herskovits attended local public schools. He served in the United States Army Medical Corps in France during World War I.

Afterward, he went to college, earning a Bachelor of Philosophy at the University of Chicago in 1920. He went to New York City for graduate work, earning his M.A. and Ph.D. in anthropology from Columbia University under the guidance of the German-born American anthropologist Franz Boas. This subject was in its early decades of being developed as a formal field of study. His dissertation, titled The Cattle Complex in East Africa, investigated theories of power and authority in Africa as expressed in the ownership and raising of cattle. He studied how some aspects of African culture and traditions were expressed in African American culture in the 1900s.

Among his fellow students were future anthropologists Katherine Dunham, Ruth Benedict, Margaret Mead, Elsie Clews Parsons, and Frances Shapiro. He and Shapiro married in Paris in 1924. They later had a daughter, Jean Herskovits, who became a historian.

Career
In 1927, Herskovits moved to Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, as a full-time anthropologist. In 1928 and 1929 he and his wife Frances Herskovits did field work in Suriname, among the Saramaka (then called Bush Negroes) and jointly wrote a book about the people.

In 1934, Herskovits and his wife Frances spent more than three months in the Haitian village of Mirebalais, the findings of which research he published in his 1937 book Life in a Haitian Valley. In its time, this work was considered one of the most accurate depictions of the Haitian practice of Vodou. They meticulously detailed the lives and Vodou practices of Mirebalais residents during their three-month stay. They conducted field work in Benin, Brazil, Haiti, Ghana, Nigeria and Trinidad. In 1938 Herskovits established the new Department of Anthropology at Northwestern.

In the early 1940s, Herskovits and his wife Frances met Barbara Hadley Stein, who was in Brazil to do research on abolition of slavery there. She introduced to them Stanley J. Stein, a graduate student in Latin American history at Harvard. With advice from Herskovits, Stein and Stein started recording Jongo songs, which in 2013 received scholarly attention. Herskovits also influenced Alan Lomax, who collected African American songs.

In 1948, Herskovits founded the first major interdisciplinary American program in African studies at Northwestern University with aid of a three-year, $30,000 grant from the Carnegie Foundation, followed by a five-year $100,000 grant from the Ford Foundation in 1951. The Program of African Studies was the first of its kind at a United States academic institution. The goals of the program were to "produce scholars of competence in their respective subjects, who will focus the resources of their special fields on the study of aspects of African life relevant to their disciplines."

The Melville J. Herskovits Library of African Studies at Northwestern University, established in 1954, is the largest separate Africana collection in the world. To date, it contains more than 260,000 bound volumes, including 5,000 rare books, more than 3,000 periodicals, journals and newspapers, archival and manuscript collections, 15,000 books in 300 different African languages, extensive collections of maps, posters, videos and photographs, as well as electronic resources. In 1957, Herskovits founded the African Studies Association and was the organization's first president.

Herskovits's book The Myth of the Negro Past is about African cultural influences on African Americans; it rejects the notion that African Americans lost all traces of their past when they were taken from Africa and enslaved in America. He traced numerous elements expressed in the contemporary African-American culture that could be traced to African cultures. Herskovits emphasized race as a sociological concept, not a biological one. He also helped forge the concept of cultural relativism, particularly in his book Man and His Works. This book examines in depth the effects of westernization on Africans of diverse cultures who were brought during slavery to the Americas, and who then developed a distinctly different African-American culture as a product of this displacement. As LeRoi Jones has commented on this text, some believe that the introduction of these Africans to Christianity is what propelled such westernization. Christian concepts shifted slave narratives from an emphasis on travelling home to their African countries of origin to traveling home to see their Lord, in Heaven. The development of African-American Christian churches, which served as one of the only places to provide these peoples with access to social mobility, further established a distinctly western culture among Africans in America. Along with these churches came Negro spirituals, which are cited as likely the first kind of music native to America made by Africans. Nonetheless, the development of such spirituals included direct influence from the African roots. This became apparent in a number of aspects of the spirituals, from the inclusion of call and response lines and alternate scales to the varied timbres and rhythms. All of this goes to show that Herskovits's claims in this book carry much truth and accuracy in regards to the establishment of the African American identity as descendant of that of the African, and how music played into such shifts.

Herskovits debated with sociologist E. Franklin Frazier on the nature of cultural contact in the Western Hemisphere, specifically with reference to Africans, Europeans, and their descendants. Frazier emphasized how Africans had adapted to their new environment in the Americas. Herskovits was interested in showing elements of continuity from African cultures into the present community.

After World War II, Herskovits publicly advocated independence of African nations from the colonial powers. He strongly criticized American politicians for viewing African nations as objects of Cold War strategy. Frequently called on as an adviser to government, Herskovits served on the Mayor's Committee on Race Relations in Chicago (1945) and the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee (1959–60).

Legacy and honors

 * The Melville J. Herskovits Library of African Studies at Northwestern University was named in his honor; it is based on his collection of materials as chairman of the department.
 * The Herskovits Prize (Melville J. Herskovits Award) is an annual award given by the African Studies Association to the best scholarly work (including translations) on Africa published in English in the previous year.

Works

 * The Cattle Complex in East Africa, PhD Dissertation, 1923 (published as a book in 1926)
 * "The Negro's Americanism", in Alain Locke (ed.), The New Negro, 1925
 * On the Relation Between Negro-White Mixture and Standing in Intelligence Tests, 1926
 * The American Negro, 1928
 * Rebel Destiny, Among the Bush Negroes of Dutch Guiana, 1934, with Frances Herskovits
 * Suriname Folk Lore, 1936, with Frances Herskovits
 * Life in a Haitian Valley, 1937
 * Dahomey: An Ancient West African Kingdom (2 vols), 1938
 * Economic Life of Primitive People, 1940
 * The Myth of the Negro Past, 1941
 * Trinidad Village, 1947, with Frances Herskovits
 * Man and His Works: The Science of Cultural Anthropology, 1948
 * Les bases de L'Anthropologie Culturelle, Payot, Paris, 1952
 * Dahomean Narrative: A Cross-Cultural Analysis, 1958, with Frances Herskovits
 * Continuity and Change in African Culture, 1959
 * The Human Factor in Changing Africa, 1962
 * Economic Transition in Africa, 1964

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Needs addition re: South Surrey Eagles
Scott had a terrific couple years here -- could use a mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cjwright79 (talk • contribs).
 * Well, I guess in his career statistics, maybe. I know nothing of it, so I won't be able to add it unless I find something. Feel free to do so, I guess....if you can do it correctly, that is. Bsroiaadn 08:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Saving nickname for future use in prose. The Alaskan Assassin, Gomer -Djsasso (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

First Latino player?
Bill Guerin's mother is Nicaraguan, and he predated Gomez by nearly a decade. Gomez may be under the impression that he's the first given that he was quoted saying as much, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I'm removing the reference. --Jemiller226 (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Goal drought
Feb 9, 2012 -- Scott Gomez scores a goal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.52.206.44 (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

VERY notable. Website, talk on many major sports sites and blogs, mentioned on HNIC leading into today's game. Time to leave it in, folks.99.245.37.46 (talk) 19:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * http://eye-on-hockey.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/27694626/34690982
 * http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/scott-gomez-t-put-anything-hey-jude-scott-213243891.html
 * http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=386855
 * http://didgomezscore.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.37.46 (talk) 19:55, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And, wikipedia is not the news. Per WP:BRD we revert and discuss, not add and discuss.  Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Who said anything about "the news"? I'm fine with the mention of his drought staying in, without the link to the external site.99.245.37.46 (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I think it probably is a bit of undue weight at this point in time. A minor mention of it, like a single sentence could possibly be warranted. However, many people don't score for long periods of time so its fairly trivial. The page has been protected at the current version so as to stop the edit warring. Discuss the situation then whatever is decided can be implemented if it is different from the current version. -DJSasso (talk) 18:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

 * A single sentence is all that was in place. I'm still waiting for reply as to why this doesn't belong. I reverted and discussed, then was reverted without discussion. 99.245.37.46 (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You also added a link that clearly violated WP:ELNO. As for the other bit, I still think it is a case of WP:RECENTISM .  I am, of course, willing to go along with consensus on that one. Dbrodbeck (talk) 19:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say that a sentence on his scoring drought is valuable - it is pretty much what has defined his last season, and once he finally does score, the sentence will be amended to state that he ended the drought. I don't think a mention of it is undue, though a full section or paragraph describing all the fan made websites, etc., would be. Resolute 19:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Fifth Alaskan in NHL?
The article claimed "Gomez was brought to New Jersey for the 1999–2000 NHL season, making him the fifth Alaskan to play in the NHL." Bleacher Report claims he was the first Alaskan, and ESPN says he's at least the first Alaska-born NHLer. I'm open to other interpretations; I believe there were a couple of players like the late B. J. Young (ice hockey) who signed with NHL teams before Gomez but didn't play until after. Or maybe we're counting transplants as long as they were here by a certain age. Without a citation though it's hard to confirm, so I've changed it for now. -- A. (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:Scott Gomez