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Talk:Rules lawyer

Afd
Never likely to be more than a dicdef IMO. Listed on AfD. Andrewa 23:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * And how wrong I was! Another victory for AfD, the article is now far more than a dicdef. Andrewa 04:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Andrewa - would you mind speaking in plain English? DigitalEnthusiast 19:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Judging by the other items here, I'd say 'dicdef' means 'dictionary definition', while 'AfD' is the dreaded 'Articles for Deletion' list. Just as a clarification. --IL-Kuma 21:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Assume good faith
I'm adding a link to the Wikipedia guideline of assuming good faith ( to it's talk page, actually ), which is what prompted the creation of this article. The word ruleslawyering shows up several times in the text, and until this point I had never heard it, learned it's meaning by context, and felt that if the word is being used, it needs to be explained somewhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DigitalEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 19:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Thanks DigitalEnthusiast, I appreciate the links, but we want to avoid self-references to Wikipedia from articlespace. There's already a link at the top in italics, which is the recommended way to deal with this. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-12 20:40Z

Gaming the system should not redirect to here
"Gaming the system" is not at all similar to rules lawyering. Gaming the system is doing something which would not naturally benefit you but which will because of an imperfect rule. Rules lawyering is the separate concept of harping on about a rule or set of rules. Someone who's gaming the system will usually keep quiet lest their abuse be spotted. A rules lawyer usually never shuts up and relies on the sanctity of unchanging rules to prevent their abuse from being effectively responded to. Gronky 14:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

"Dealing with rules lawyers" section
Does anyone have a DMG2 handy? Are the bullet points in this section just a lift from that book? If so, that section's a copyvio and should be removed. Percy Snoodle 15:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Etymology reversed
The article says a variant of rules lawyer is sea lawyer, and then goes on to claim it probably derives from the programming term language lawyer.

I'd be very surprised if this was the case. Without researching it, I'd have thought sea lawyer (and barracks lawyer) came first, and language lawyer and rules lawyer to be the newer variants. Is there anyone with actual knowledge who can confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.141.101 (talk) 11:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I second that - this is completely the wrong way round. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.200.39 (talk) 16:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Sea-lawyer is probably first. Yarr! 24.160.240.212 (talk) 02:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Dealing with...
Honestly, I don't think this kind of content has any place in an article. Wikipedia isn't a 101: How to - guide, it's an encyclopedia. There are plenty of other websites and resources that deal with this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.200.210 (talk) 13:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Ditto. This section is too focused on D&D. Besides, the phrase sounds insulting to ("biased") rules lawyers.  Rip it out. 67.160.192.13 (talk) 06:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I've removed the subtopic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.200.210 (talk) 15:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Link to similar incidents not involving tabletop games
While reading the article for the History of baseball in the United States, I was struck by how the Merkle incident seemed to fit into this perfectly. This is a good example of rules lawyering from a certainly very different context. Would a section to add to this article discussing the confluence of rules lawyering in different contexts be appropriate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DespicableJay (talk • contribs) 20:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Is Rules-Lawyering connected to expertise?
"A rules lawyer is a player in a game who for whatever reason attempts to use an often encyclopedic knowledge of the rules of a subject to gain an advantage, to annoy or to ingratiate himself with other players, to amuse themselves in a round of banter with others, or to test a rule's solidity."

Is there necessarily any particular connection between great knowledge of the rules of something, and rules-lawyering? I'd certainly say there can be cases where that's not true.

Aside from that, the sentence is clumsy.

I also think the definition is bad. Rules-lawyering implies (to me, at least) adherence to the letter rather than spirit of the law, and it doesn't only apply to games. Finally, I don't see the merits of listing some minority motives.

I propose:

"A rules lawyer is a participant in a rules-based environment who attempts to use the letter of the law without reference to the intention, often in order to gain an advantage."

92.234.8.173 (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Josh
 * I admit the sentence is clumsy, but read what Fine has to say about rules-lawyering. It often does come from some "expertise" with the system or some exhaustive knowledge of the ruleset. Protonk (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometimes a "rules lawyer" can be pretty rules-dumb. Some are simply good at finding and exploiting rules that will benefit them, or impact other players and/or the DM negatively. They may not even know most of the rules particularly well. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's true. I have no problem modifying the page to say as much, but we do need to stick close to the source material.  If you want to make changes to the article, please go ahead.  I'm happy for the help. Protonk (talk)
 * I was just speaking to be heard. ;) If we have some sources that say essentially what I just said, then we should definitely include that viewpoint in the article. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 23:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any need to worry about not referencing a claim that is not likely to be disputed and is obviously true. Unless someone wants to dispute the claim, I think we're in the clear. I can't read the reference, unfortunately, unless you know of an online copy :) 92.234.8.173 (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC) Josh
 * Thanks for making the change. Seems good to me. Protonk (talk) 19:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge
This should be merged with gaming the system. Kennercat (talk) 04:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. This refers to a gaming style in role playing games, and the meaning would suffer in a merger. Protonk (talk) 05:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with Protonk; gaming the system is about more than just actual games. 67.175.176.178 (talk) 12:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep them separate.79.97.166.36 (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Move to wiktionary?
This whole article looks to me like a definition of a (possibly slang) term. It's useful (I got here from Nomic) but is it encyclopedic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.82.23 (talk) 06:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe create something like wikt:Appendix:Glossary of U.S. Navy slang? Tijfo098 (talk) 07:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the Wikipedia article should try to go a little beyond the mere defintion and speculation on the source of the word, which frankly fails WP:SYNT, because those sources don't speak of the context in this article. Tijfo098 (talk) 07:32, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm biased, but I think it works fine as a wikipedia article. Protonk (talk) 15:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really think this is notable enough to deserve a Wikipedia article. Wiktionary would be better as it would make it easier to provide multiple definitions (it hardly has a purely consistent use) and the folks there tend to be more impartial about interpreting meaning from sources. Ranze (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Spirit
The reference after "without reference to the spirit" from 1983's "Shared Fantasy" article by Gary Fine, is this readable online somewhere? If we can't read it, how do we know whether or not this reference supports the claim made in the introduction? Should we really be presenting Fine's opinion as fact? I think it would be more proper to say "Fine defines it as" rather than imply that his opinion is everyone's opinion of what a rules lawyer is.

Part of the problem with such a definition too is that the "spirit" of the game is an intangible and subjective idea, so should we not note that who is considered a rules lawyer varies upon each player's idea of a game's purpose and how closely others live up to that perception? Ranze (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Metagaming
I have to ask- would the reference to 'wikilawyer' be a form of metagaming?

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Talk:American Dad!

I give up...
If you people want to keep putting in the wrong distribution company on FOX produced show, fine so be it, I don't care anymore, even though Disney owns FOX and its subsidiaries this and other FOX shows are STILL distributed by 20th Television Distribution, NOT Disney. Disney may have combined the operations of 20th Television and Disney Domestic Distribution but 20th Television still exists as a separate entity (subsidiary of Disney) to distribute FOX and FOX syndicated show. I put my hands up and declare that I give up! In the words of Eric Cartman from South Park, Screw you guys I'm going home. YborCityJohn (talk) 02:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 * As the info was sourced only to IMDb, I have removed it in accordance with WP:RS/IMDb. If and when a better source is provided, we can reevaluate it. DonIago (talk) 03:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you User:Doniago. I have faith in the Wikipediaverse again. :0). YborCityJohn (talk) 01:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I accept PayPal and Venmo. :p #kidding DonIago (talk) 03:52, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Include past renewal info?
Hey guys! I was wondering if you guys think we should include info about past renewals. Is it still as relevant considering seasons 18 and 19 have already aired? — MilesShriv (talk) 14:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

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Akercocke

Akercocke are an English extreme metal band from London, formed in 1997 by Jason Mendonça and David Gray. The band also features Paul Scanlan and Nathanael Underwood.

History
Akercocke's first album, Rape of the Bastard Nazarene, was self-released by the band in 1999. Akercocke later signed to Peaceville Records, releasing The Goat of Mendes in 2001, which reached number 4 in Terrorizer's album of the year chart. In 2003 the album Choronzon was released, through Earache Records. This album was voted number 1 metal release of the year by Terrorizer. Paul Scanlan left the band after this album, and was replaced by Matt Wilcock.

Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone was released in October 2005. On 18 January 2007, Peter Theobalds left the band, and was replaced by Peter Benjamin.

Akercocke released their fifth album, Antichrist, in May 2007. Whilst touring to promote the album, due to the anti-Christian nature of the music, the band generated controversy in Northern Ireland when they scheduled a tour date in Belfast on 18 May 2007, and appeared on BBC1's debate show Nolan Live on 16 May 2007 to defend their right to play there. The band broke up in 2012 following extensive periods of inactivity. Prior to the break up, Akercocke were planning to release a DVD based on their 10-year anniversary as a band, though this was never released.

Akercocke revealed a surprise reunion as a band in 2016, featuring original lead guitarist Paul Scanlan returning to the band along with newcomer Nathanael Underwood on bass. The band posted a brand new song on YouTube, titled "Inner Sanctum" on 18 June 2017. The launch of a new official website on 25 April 2016 was followed on 26 April 2016 with the announcement of a series of reunion shows starting with Bloodstock Open Air 2016 and a full UK tour. A new album, Renaissance in Extremis, was released on 25 August 2017, which was their first full-length album in a decade since 2007's Antichrist. In May 2021, the band announced they had begun recording a new album.

Members
Current
 * Jason Mendonça – vocals, rhythm guitar (1997–2012, 2016–present)
 * David Gray – drums (1997–2012, 2016–present)
 * Paul Scanlan – lead guitar (1997–2003, 2016–present)
 * Sam Loynes – keyboards (2010–2012, 2016–present)
 * Federico Benini – bass (2019–present)

Former
 * Martin Bonsoir – keyboards (1997–2003)
 * Daniel "The Ritz" Reeves – keyboards (2004–2006)
 * Matt Wilcock – guitar (2004–2010)
 * Peter Theobalds – bass (1997–2006)
 * Peter Benjamin – bass (2006–2012)
 * Rob Archibald – keyboards (2006–2010)
 * Dan Knight – guitar (2010–2012)
 * Nathanael Underwood – bass (2016–2018)

Timeline

Discography

 * Studio albums
 * Rape of the Bastard Nazarene (1999)
 * The Goat of Mendes (2001)
 * Choronzon (2003)
 * Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone (2005)
 * Antichrist (2007)
 * Renaissance in Extremis (2017)
 * Live albums
 * “Decades of Devil Worship” (2023)

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Francisco Arce

Francisco Javier "Chiqui" Arce Rolón (born 2 April 1971) is a Paraguayan football manager and former player. He is the current manager of Paraguayan Primera División club Guaraní.

Arce played at the right defender position, competing a total of 61 times for the Paraguay national team between 1995 and 2004. He has the distinction of being chosen seven times as the "Ideal Team of America", thus having been nominated the most times in history. He also holds the distinction of having been selected in history as the coach on two occasions of the Paraguay national team.

Playing career
Arce started his career in Paraguay playing for his natal city club, 15 de Mayo, where he made his professional debut at the age of fifteen. The same year he was recruited by the Cerro Porteño club in the Paraguayan capital (Asuncion), where he won three national championships. Arce then played for Brazilian clubs such as Grêmio and Palmeiras and won international tournaments including the Copa Libertadores. Arce played for Paraguay in the 1998 and 2002 FIFA World Cups and has appeared 61 times for his country. He was famous for his free kick shot technique, where he scored goals during the World Cup 2002 including a freekick against South Africa.

Coaching career
After retiring as a player, Arce became a coach and managed the Paraguayan second division team Club Rubio Ñú, leading the squad to the 2nd division championship in 2008.

Arce was appointed coach of the Paraguay national football team in July 2011, but due to poor results on the 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification, he was sacked in June 2012.

In March 2013, Arce was appointed coach of the Paraguayan Cerro Porteño. He won the Torneo Clausura in 2013 with Cerro Porteño in highly impressive form, as the club went the entire Clausura undefeated. After a 4–1 defeat to Club Guaraní on 24 August 2014 Arce left Cerro Porteño.

On 15 March 2015, Arce was appointed manager of Olimpia, the arch-rivals of his old club Cerro Porteño.

A year later he coached the Guarani club with good results, leading to his position at the Paraguay national team. In 2018, he was appointed as manager of General Díaz.

Club

 * Source:

International

 * Source:

International goals for Paraguay
 * Score and results list Paraguay's goal tally first.

As a player
Cerro Porteño
 * Liga Paraguaya: 1991, 1992, 1994

Grêmio
 * Copa Libertadores: 1995
 * Recopa Sudamericana: 1996
 * Rio Grande do Sul State Championship: 1995, 1996
 * Brazilian Série A: 1996
 * Brazilian Cup: 1997
 * Intercontinental Cup runner-up: 1995

Palmeiras
 * Brazilian Cup: 1998
 * Mercosur Cup: 1998
 * Copa Libertadores: 1999
 * Brazilian Champions Cup: 2000
 * Rio-São Paulo Tournament: 2000
 * Intercontinental Cup runner-up: 1999

Individual
 * South American Team of the Year :1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002

As a coach
Rubio Ñú
 * Paraguayan 2nd division: 2008

Cerro Porteño
 * Paraguayan 1st division: 2013 (undefeated), 2020, 2021

Club Olimpia|Olimpia
 * Paraguayan 1st division: 2015

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Talk:Bilbao

WikiProject Cities
Hey all, I'm the WikiProject Cities assessor of this article. If feedback is what you want and need, come to my talk page and give me a holler! --Starstriker7(Say hior see my works) 22:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Carlo Bilbao
Carlo Bilbao - guitar genius of the psychedelic rock band "Captain". one of the most underrated guitar players in the world. Invented the "Flaming slide Guitar" Famous for his guitar sound effects without really using any, his synchopated guitar phrasing and approach and his distinct tone. Influenced by blues and rock and roll. Born to Estrellita Decena and Jaime Bilbao on September 19, 1974. Has 3 other brothers Radough, Joaquin and Adlofo.

Official Name and Nervion
The ofcial Basque name of Bilbao is not Bilbo but Bilbao itself. Nevertheless Bilbo is a popular colloquial name for the city in both Basque and Spanish. BIlbo is not the "colloquial" name in basque, is the ONLY name in basque, Bilbao is the old basque name.

Also the official name for the province is not anymore Vizcaya (Spanish spellin) but Bizkaia (Basque spelling, slightly different pronunciation).

Another error is that the river is officially the Ibaizabal. This is matter of confussion because both rivers the Nervión (Basque "Nerbioi") and Ibaizabal meet shortly before entering the city and reaching the stuary (precisely in Bilbao). The Ibaizabal is a longer river and therefore, according to all geographic criteria should be considered (and actually is considered offcially) the river that reaches Bilbao but centuries of Spanish (Castilian) influence have made the Nervión much more known, because its course was approximately that of the roads that went into Castile.

Anyhow, officially at least, Bilbao has the official name of "Bilbao" both in Basque and Spanish, the province of which is capital has the offcial name of "Bizkaia" (though is known as Vizaya in other parts of Spain) and the river that ends its course in Bilbao is officially the "Ibaizabal" (meaning "wide river") and not the Nervión/Nerbioi, which is just an affluent of the former.

I can tell, because I live there.

"No, it's not true, the Ibaizabal is shorter (60km). Nervion is considered to be the main river because it's longer (75km), and it's more acurate to say 'Nervion-Ibaizabal' system, and Ria de Bilbao from where they meet to the sea. The historic importance you say is more a POV thing, since some prefer Ibaizabal to be the main river because it's an entirely Basque river. I also live there.David 10:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)"

I don't agree with you. The Ibaizabal carries much more water than the Nerbion when they unite, and the Nerbion gets in the path of the Ibaizabal. It is called Nerbion because of tradition, but it should be called Ibaizabal.

Bye. Likirman 18:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't agree, that's perfect. We all have our opinions, but Wikipedia needs the facts. The explanation given above is the most accurate geographical description. Opinions are POV.David 11:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The official name of the city in Basque as regulated by Euskaltzaindia is BILBO (http://www.euskaltzaindia.net/arauak/dok/ProNor0145.pdf). "Bilbao" is just the old Basque form.

House of Basque Government
The house of the government of Autonomous Basque Community is not in Bilbo (castilian Bilbao) but in Gasteiz (castilian Vitoria). Where did you take that it's going to be built in Bilbao?

Pais Vasco/Basque Country/Euskadi
I didn't go as far as to change it in the article, but why is Euskadi referred to in the article in castillian? Would it not make more sense to either call it 'Euskadi' or 'Basque Country'? If it has an english name, shouldn't it be used instead in the english wikipedia?

Motto
The "invicta" phrase is more a title or honour than a motto. It was conceded by kings, not chosen by the local rulers. --Error 21:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Bilbo swords
This is a miscellaneous item of information, of maybe some interest: in Early Modern england certain type of sword was named as bilbo, in obvious reference to its Basque origins (Basque metallurgy was important even in Medieval times).

This name appears in Shakespeare's The Merry Wives of Windsor, when Pistol says:
 * Ha, thou mountain-foreigner! Sir John and Master mine,
 * I combat challenge of this latten bilbo.
 * Word of denial in thy labras here!
 * Word of denial: froth and scum, thou liest!

The connection is well documented and I feel the issue does deserve a mention in the article. But I'm usure where to place it. Probably in a new section but should it be "Miscellanea", "References to Bilbao in English culture" or what?

Please discuss.

In relation with this, I intuitively think that the name of Tolkien's main character Bilbo Baggins, may derive indirectly from Bilbao, via Tolkien's own cultural references. Yet I can't document this assumption. Maybe there's some Tolkien-fanatic around that can shed light. --Sugaar 22:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Maybe better forget this last part. I made some online search and, while I found a vague reference in Hexapedia, I also found an article that says that there seems to be a teddy bear of the Tolkien family that had that name . --Sugaar 22:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CDB Bilbao Berri.jpg
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 * Betacommandbot is wrong (like almost always). I have removed that tag as the rationale is in the cpyright tag itself. --Sugaar (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

What's going on in Bilbao?
From August the 16th to August the24th, Bilbao will be holding its Semana Grande festivities, which is Bilbao's main event of the year. Howevever, like many other events of the city, it's not listed here and listing every Bilbao event up-to-date in Bilbao's article could be kinda difficult. That's why, having read the External_links and willing to contribute, we've added an external link to a page that contains events taking place in Bilbao worldwide users have entered for free. The page can be seen at Events in Bilbao with interactive map. If you feel linking to that page is inappropriate, could you please discuss. Thanks.--QuoVadisLive (talk) 09:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it is inappropiate indeed if you read the Wikipedia guidelines on external links, and besides I'm sorry but your page is... well... horrible! and my browser got hanged twice! But that may be my problem, you could argue. However, the Semana Grande is quite well documented in the article, it seems that you didn't read it or even that you don't care, thats why your link is quite suspectful as spam. In short, why do we need here a link to say "The Aste Nagusia starts this saturday" when it is clearly explained in the article WHEN it starts every year and what is all about?David (talk) 10:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Hello David and thanks for your feedback. Sorry to hear our website is not up to your taste and that you had a problem with your browser. You say the page is horrible. Fine. How do you think we could make it better? Any ideas? Now the fact is that before we've added the external link we've carefully read the article on Bilbao and the External_links and we thought something was missing although there is a few lines on la Semana Grande. In the external link we've provided, and you've unfortunately removed, there is not only the event on Semana Grande, which is in this page instead, but any event that takes place in Bilbao and users log for free in our website. Why don't you try it yourself and let us know how we can make things better? And before removing the external link, why not giving other users a chance to see for themselves and see what they have to say? David: what would you change to the Bilbao events page you've seen so an external link to it deserve to be added to the existing external links list? Thanks.--QuoVadisLive (talk) 16:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please, read carefully WP:EL. If you own the website you should not link to it, as it is considered spamming. About the site itself, please read Accessibility. And just a technical comment, the page causes a fatal error using IE6 and Windows 2000. Cheers!David (talk) 06:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi David. Having read the WP:EL once more it seems we've missed that one which was quite big indeed. Well we can only apologise for the inconveniene we might have caused and hope to find other ways to contribute to Wikipedia. BTW thanks for reporting the error. We have already forwarded the matter to our development team. Thanks again and hope to see you soon in our website where your contributions would be very appreciated! Regards,--QuoVadisLive (talk) 10:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Current translation
I think the work being done is positive, as there is some relevant information in the Spanish wiki that was missing... but, some sections had also relevant information in English. The previous Demographics section, for example, had some recent information that is totally missing in the translated text... so why not MERGING instead of plainly translating?David (talk) 07:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am merging, don't worry, everything that was said in English is also said in this translation (check climate, for example). And the Demographics section is just a mistake of mine, i was about the edit the section, but had to do something and accidently saved without adding anything. I will restore the info as soon as I can ;) Fernando Pasc 10:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernando (talk • contribs)
 * Great Fernando! good job... cheers! David (talk) 11:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll start working on it as well. Serioana (talk) 05:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Twin cities
Is there any reference about Bilbao's twin cities (particularly Surakarta)?

Wrong stadium information
In the sport section, the San Mames stadium is mentioned as the oldest stadium in Spain; Atletico Bilbao recently built a new stadium right next to the old one and the name is the same. They no longer play in the oldest stadium in Spain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.44.254 (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

GLAM-wiki events in Bilbao?
Hi All, I'm posting to try to find a contact for GLAM-wiki events in Bilbao. I am in contact with a major Bilbao art Museum that wants to be part of an international Edit-a-Thon with a New York Museum, which is set to take place in October. They are looking for GLAM-wiki contacts, a Spanish Wikipedia chapter, and/or Bilbao Wikimedians that would want to attend or participate in some way. I am in New York City and have little familiarity with the GLAM-wiki community in Bilbao at this time. Thanks! OR drohowa (talk) 13:44, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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outstanding people from Bilbao
To be honest, this sounds a bit...pompous. I think it would sound better if it said Notable instead of outstanding. Norum 23:16, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Is the 'Historical population' table necessary?
Hello, I would like to propose the removal of the 'Historical population' table in the Demographics section. The section itself is rather small (with only two paragraphs) and the table is pushing the other two figures too far down (well into the 'Government' section, which it would benefit from a picture of the city hall or Biscayan government building, currently impossible to fit due to the aforementioned tables). The graphic displaying the demographic evolution between 1900 and 2005 I think already does a good job portraying the demographic evolution.--Metroxed (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

 * As there have not been any arguments against it, I will proceed to remove it for the reasons explained above.--Metroxed (talk) 10:58, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Climate extremes data
The climate extremes data seems to be very inaccurate. Meteorological data has historically been very sparse in Spain, there have been very few professional weather stations across the country until recent decades. The only sets I know of of good historical data across the whole country are from the airports and a very few other weather stations that have been established historically (such as Igeldo in Donostia). This is now available through AEMET/AENA. Data from AEMET (under "efemerides") indicate a maximum historical high temperature for Bilbao (airport) of 42.0°C on 26 July 1947, which is already a very high temperature. I have to doubt that it has ever been 46°C in Bilbao and I wonder where the website that proposes this figure, climatebase.ru, gets their data from. They give very little information about themselves or their data or anything else on their website -- do they make it up? What weather stations are they using for data? Or is it based on algorithms like meteoblue? I'm not sure this is a reliable source at all. That is quite an extreme temperature indeed and they would need to support it with more information.

The Basque Government through Euskalmet has established a great number of additional weather stations, one in the Deusto neighborhood of Bilbao, for instance, is relevant here, but they have not all existed long enough (not sure when the Deusto station was established) to get good historical data such as temperature extremes. 50 years of data is usually a minimum and 100 or more is much better to really judge climate extremes. In any case, Euskalmet does not make it easy to use their data, their data export features and their OpenData files are quite obtuse and require specialist software and knowledge to use. I cannot find any way to easily get data out of their extensive database. (Extensive, but not as far as I can tell, containing long enough sets of historical data.)

I propose relying on AEMET data for Bilbao airport for the extreme temperature data, there being no other reliable and usable source I know of. Stycklyr (talk) 10:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize
I was surprised by the claim that the Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize is the "Nobel" for urbanism, since I study in that field and my colleagues and I do not perceive the award that way. I did some research and was not able to find any support for the claim in the article text that the Government of Singapore awards the prize "in collaboration with the Swedish Nobel Academy." The citation is to an article in Spanish that merely states the claim that the prize is perceived as the "Nobel" for cities, not that the Swedish Nobel Academy has any role in its award. Indeed, the website for the prize lists 11 partner organizations, but the Academy is not one of them. Googling "Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize Nobel" produces no references to any collaboration between Singapore's government and the Academy. Given this lack of evidence and inconsistency with the text of the cited source, I am going to delete the "in collaboration with the Swedish Nobel Academy" phrase from the article.

Even then, I would like to go further and delete the phrase "Considered the Nobel Prize for urbanism" from the article too. This is a strong claim. Nobel Prizes are widely recognized not just in their disciplines but among laypeople as well. The Lee Kuan Yew World City Prize does not even have its own article on this website, instead redirecting to the World Cites Summit article. References online to the prize as being the "Nobel for urbanism" are very limited and tend to come from the either the official websites of cities that have received the award or local news sites that seem to regurgitating official press releases about the awards. Notably, Singapore's official website on the prize does not mention any comparison to the Nobel.

Currently Wikipedia does list this prize as the Nobel for urbanism on the Nobel equivalents page. The four sources listed again tend to come from boosterish local sites, not independent sources from within the field of urbanism, urban planning, urban design, etc., never mind generic media that would indicate common usage akin to the Fields Medal being the "Math Nobel." In light of all of this, I think there is a case both to remove the "Nobel for urbanism" comparison from this article, from other city articles where it may appear, and possibly from the "List of prizes known as the Nobel or the highest honors of a field" article. I am not going to make those changes at this time, as I think some discussion is warranted. Michaelw3793 (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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Edward Simpson (naval officer)

Edward Simpson (March 3, 1824 – December 1, 1888) served as an officer in the United States Navy during the Mexican–American War and the American Civil War, eventually attaining the rank of rear admiral. His service included being assigned as commanding officer of several Navy ships and serving with distinction in various shore assignments.

Early life
Edward Simpson was born on March 3, 1824, in New York City, to parents Edmund and Elizabeth (Jones) Simpson, both actors.

U.S. Navy career
Simpson was appointed midshipman in the United States Navy in February 1840, shortly before his sixteenth birthday. He served afloat until late 1845, when he became a member of the first class of midshipmen to be trained at the new United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.

Pre-Civil War service
After graduation on July 9, 1846, Simpson reported to USS Vixen and participated in numerous bombardments during the Mexican–American War.

During the next 15 years, he served afloat in the Brazil Squadron and the China Squadron and with the United States Coast Survey, and ashore in two tours at the U.S. Naval Academy, first as gunnery instructor, then in 1860 as head of the department of ordnance and gunnery.

Civil War service
In May 1861, shortly after the outbreak of the American Civil War, Simpson moved with the Naval Academy to Newport, Rhode Island, where it was relocated for the duration of the war. In 1862 he became Commandant of Midshipmen.

In June 1863 he took command of the monitor, USS Passaic. He participated in bombardments at Charleston, South Carolina, from July to November 1863. From July to December 1864, he commanded Isonomia in the East Gulf Blockading Squadron; and, then served from February to April 1865 as Fleet Captain of the West Gulf Blockading Squadron and of the forces attacking Mobile, Alabama.

Post-war activity
After the war, he alternated tours of command ashore and afloat with tours of ordnance duty, including a mission to Europe in 1870–72, and command of the Naval Torpedo Station in 1873 and again from 1874 to 1875. As of 1880, he was the officer in charge of the naval station in New London, Connecticut. In 1883, he was appointed president of a board to select a site for a government gun factory and made another study trip to Europe.

Promoted to rear admiral on February 9, 1884, he served as president of the Naval Advisory Board and president of the Board of Inspection and Survey until his retirement on March 3, 1886.

Post-Navy career
Rear Admiral Simpson died in Washington, D.C., December 1, 1888, and was buried in Cypress Hills Cemetery. The destroyer USS Simpson (DD-221), commissioned on November 3, 1920, was named in his honor. His son, Edward Simpson Jr., also became a rear admiral, and his daughter Ruth married Rear Admiral Charles Mitchell Thomas.

Promotions

 * Midshipman – February 11, 1840
 * Passed midshipman – July 11, 1846
 * Master – July 10, 1854
 * Lieutenant – April 18, 1855
 * Lieutenant commander – July 16, 1862
 * Commander – March 3, 1865
 * Captain – August 15, 1870
 * Commodore – April 26, 1878
 * Rear admiral – February 9, 1884
 * Retired list – March 3, 1886

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Talk:Iraqi Kurdistan

False information/ Every single word written about the Pre-Islamic history of Iraqi Kurdistan is inaccurate / requesting for rewriting this section
Dears,

the section about the pre-Islamic history of Iraqi Kurdistan is filled with very obvious outdated, incorrect and inaccurate data. Almost all the information written in this article is against the information written in other articles on Wiki and recent scholarship.

Please re write the page or at least delete it until an independent Wikipedia user edits it.

Historical facts:

1- The Kurdistan region was not part of Assyria until after 1350 BCE. Since there was no Assyria before 1365 BCE but the city of Assur which locates in modern Salhadin province and its outside of Iraqi Kurdistan. It should not be on this page.

"there was no Babylonia before ca. 1765 BCE, and no Assyria before ca. 1365 BCE. There were only the cities of Assur and Babylon, among many others."

Source: Assyrilogists Charpin/Durand 1997

"Between 1500 and 1200 BCE Assyria successfully transformed from a relatively insignificant small city state into one of the great powers of the Amarna Age." Source: Bleda S. Düring (2020). The Imperialisation of Assyria: An Archaeological Approach. p.41

"In 1365 b.c.e., the city-state of Ashur in upper Mesopotamia gained independence from the powerful kingdom of Mitanni. The warrior who accomplished this was Ashurballit (1363-1328).. Ashurballit's kingdom became known as Assyria."

Source: John Middleton (2015). World Monarchies and Dynasties. p.66

"Old Assyrian Period here does not refer to Assyria as a territorial state, which only took shape after the period we are dealing with (after 16th century BCE) , but to the city of Assur , the core of a small city - state ."

Source: K. R. Veenhof, Jesper Eidem, Markus Wäfler (2008) Mesopotamia: The Old Assyrian Period - Page 19-27

Regarding Old Assyrian Period: Shamshi Adad didn't build "Old Assyrian Empire" and he didn't name his empire Assyria, this term was used by early Assyriologists and and now its rejected by modern Assyrilogists and recent scholarship and its replaced with kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia. And his kingdom only lasted for 25 years:

"Shamshi - Adad and Sons : The Rise and Fall of a Upper Mesopotamian Empire." Russ VerSteeg (2000). Early Mesopotamian Law - Page 184. and also Dominique Charpin, Pascal Attinger, Dietz Otto Edzard (2004). Mesopotamia: - Page 257.

"Shamshi-Adad and the Kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia". Marc Van De Mieroop (2015). A History of the Ancient Near East, ca. 3000-323 BC - Page x

"Shamshi-Adad and the 'kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia". Mario Liverani (2013). The Ancient Near East: History, Society and Economy - Page 226

"Shamshi-Adad consolidated territories into the kingdom of Upper Mesoptamia". Trevor Bryce (2009). The Routledge Handbook of the Peoples and Places of Ancient Western Asia: From the Early Bronze Age to the Fall of the Persian Empire. p.xliii

"King Shamshi-Adad of the Upper Mesopotamian kingdom". Brian Bonhomme, Cathleen Boivin (2010). Milestone Documents in World History: 2350 BCE-1058 CE - Page 15.

2- Kurdistan Region was known as Subartu and it was under the rule of the kingdom of Kurda from Early Bronze Age until it came under the rule of the Mittanians and it was entirely inhabited by non Semitic Hurrian-Speaking Surbarians.

"for the Old Babylonian kings, Subartu is neither Assyria nor Ekallatum but the agglomeration of the little city-kingdoms."

source: Michael C. Astour. (1987). Hisotory of Ebla, in "Eblaitica". Eisenbrauns. p. 98.

king of Elam to the king of Kurda in 1770s BCE:

"Keep Subartu under your control and don’t give troops to the prince of Babylon. Send a message to Zimri-Lim of Mari that also he should give none to the prince of Babylon."

Source: Mieroop, Marc Van De (2008). King Hammurabi of Babylon: A Biography. John Wiley & Sons. p. 51.

"Eshnunna also demanded that Kurda remain neutral and hold on to Subartu."

Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/harvard-theological-review/article/prophecy-in-hamath-israel-and-mari/2059704595F36CE70CB3B13CC694E283

Another Source that Upper Land/Mesopotamia (Iraqi Kurdistan) was under the rule of the kingdom of Kurda: "Kurda resisted the Elamite attempt of controlling the area of the upper land."

Source: Wolfgang Heimpel, The journal NABU (Nouvelles Assyriologiques Brèves et Utilitaires), June 2000, N.2 (June). p.39

"Kurda must have fallen into the hands of Šamši - Adad around the time that he took Šubat - Enlil, hence around 20 - 25 years before the end of his reign and the advent of Zimri - Lim ." Ancient Oriental Research - Volume 28 - Page 94 - 2001. p.94

the Iraqi and parts of Syrian Kurdistan were known as Kurda NOT Assyria, according to historical sources.

3- Asuristan, Athur, Athura etc were used to designate southern and Middle parts Iraq. please see the wikipedia pages for the information goes against the Wikipedia articles and every independent historical sources.

"Ardashir ' s subsequent advance from Media described a large arc through Adurbadagan | Atropatene, Nodshiragan / Adiabene, to Asuristan / Assyria ( Iraq) , where he conquered the capital of the Parthian Empire."

Source: Joe Cribb, Georgina Herrmann, British Academy ( 2007). p.232

"in Sassanian times Asuristan did not comprise the Mosul region, which was called Arbayestan"

"Sassanian Province: Adiabene (northern Iraq, South of Turkey... Asuristan (south of Arabistan).."

Carlos Ramirez-Faria (2007). Concise Encyclopeida Of World History. p.648.

For Athur and other toponyms please see the latest research below, the Roman province of Athur was never formed and it was not in Irai Kurdistan.

Michał Marciak. Sophene, Gordyene, and Adiabene: Three Regna Minora of Northern Mesopotamia Between East and West. (BRILL, Jul 17, 2017)

4- Erbil and Ninevah, Shubat Enlili, Arrapha were not built by the Assyrians but by Sumerians and Hurrians, and Hurrian speaking Subarians.

Guys there is something called Google Books, it takes you just 1 hour to know these historical facts.

For God's sake how this false information is allowed to be on here is really shocking to me.!!
 * Everybody can edit wikipedia, you are welcome to do the adaptions you see as useful.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

This is true. This page is bogus and is being locked to spread misinformation. Let the people who actually know that region put up the facts. This is wrong and the original poster has no right to do this. Wikipedia only makes it easy by not giving a damn Anonymoosy13 (talk) 20:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This guy doesn't see that the page is LOCKED. "Everybkdy can edit Wikipedia, " what an idiot Anonymoosy13 (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Hi my very dear Anonymoosy13, well yes everybody is allowed to edit wikipedia, but some articles might be a bit compromised due to some editorial conflict. I have read your comment, but after reading Old Assyrian Empire which existed way before the date you mentioned, and noting that the Asuristan you mentioned isn't mentioned in the article, I didn't really feel compelled by your arguments and quit reading.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:22, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, and idiot is not really a good way how to address Wikipedia editors:)This kind of behavior might get you into trouble some day. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You should write that Peshmerga occupied Kurdistan regions were controlled by Iran from year 1970 to 2005, from 2005 it belongs to Iraq, since Khamenei sold that region to Jalal Talabani, who then sworn as the new president of Iraq. 155.137.27.93 (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * When Jalal Talabani was elected president of Iraq, Kurdistan region automatically belongs to Iraq since then, both officially and un-officially. 155.137.27.93 (talk) 16:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

ISIS and Iraqi Kurdistan
This article could be improved with a updated history that discusses ISIS and Kurdistan. SgtPRich (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Section titled "Following US Withdrawal"
The date of the US Withdrawal is not actually stated. Is the reader supposed just to know this information?ENSOsurfer (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Kurds "Iranian ethnic group" RFC
Editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kurds. Levivich (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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Rape of the Bastard Nazarene

Rape of the Bastard Nazarene is the first studio album by English death metal band Akercocke. It was released on 28 December 1999, through the band's own record label Goat of Mendes.

Musical style
AllMusic described the album's style as "an interesting mix of two musical styles that don't often go together. About half of Rape of the Bastard Nazarene [...] consists of utterly standard-issue death metal, complete with whiplash tempos, hyperspeed blast drumming and the often comical 'death growl' vocals. The other half of the album is doomy, synth-heavy post-punk, seemingly influenced by the likes of Killing Joke and (especially on the unexpectedly melodic, catchy "Marguerite & Gretchen") Pornography-era Cure."

Track listing
Tracks 11–13 are songs by Salem Orchid, and can be found on the re-issue. Originally released on audio demo tape in 1991, Mendonça and Gray composed and recorded these songs with guitarist Stephen Wood.

Personnel
Akercocke
 * Jason Mendonça – guitars, vocals
 * David Gray – drums
 * Peter Theobalds – bass (track 1–10)
 * Paul Scanlan – guitars (track 1–10)
 * Martin Bonsoir – keyboards, recording, engineering, production (track 1–10)

Additional personnel
 * Stephen Wood – guitars (track 11–13)
 * Dan Temple – bass (track 11–13)
 * Salem Orchid – production (track 11–13)
 * Nicola Kemp, Tanya Warwick – additional vocals
 * Peter Theobalds – design
 * Stevvi – photography

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Every Which Way but Loose

Every Which Way but Loose is a 1978 American action comedy film released by Warner Bros. starring Clint Eastwood in an uncharacteristic and offbeat comedy role. It was produced by Robert Daley and directed by James Fargo. Eastwood plays Philo Beddoe, a trucker and bare-knuckle brawler roaming the American West in search of a lost love while accompanied by his brother/manager Orville and his pet orangutan Clyde. Philo encounters a wide assortment of characters, including a pair of police officers and a motorcycle gang who pursue him for revenge.

Eastwood's appearance in the film, after his string of Spaghetti Western and Dirty Harry roles, somewhat startled the film industry, and he was reportedly advised against taking the role. Although it was poorly reviewed by critics, the film proved successful and became, along with its 1980 sequel Any Which Way You Can, two of the highest-grossing Eastwood films. When adjusted for inflation, it ranks as one of the top 250 highest-grossing films of all time.

Plot
Philo Beddoe is a truck driver living in the San Fernando Valley. He lives in a small house, with an orangutan named Clyde, behind that of his brother, Orville Boggs, and his mother. Philo makes money on the side as a bare-knuckle fighter; he is often compared to a legendary fighter named Tank Murdock.

One night Philo becomes smitten with Lynn Halsey-Taylor, an aspiring country music singer he meets at the Palomino Club, a local honky-tonk. His relationship with her seems to be going well until one day she and her camper disappear from the trailer park. Believing that he is falling for her, Philo decides to set off for Lynn's home in Denver, Colorado.

Along the way, he has a run-in with a motorcycle gang called the Black Widows, who incur Philo's wrath after two gang members insult him and Clyde at a traffic light. Philo chases them down and takes their bikes (which he repaints, repairs, and resells), and every attempt they make to get even results in disaster. Philo also incurs the wrath of an LAPD cop named Putnam, with whom he gets into a fight at the Palomino. Both the officer and the Widows learn of Philo's trip to Colorado and head off to find him.

Orville and Clyde accompany Philo to Denver, and on the way, they meet a woman named Echo who becomes Orville's girlfriend. They earn money along the way by booking fights for Philo. After a fight in a slaughterhouse, the man holding the money tries to stiff Philo. Echo fires two shots from a .38, dead center into a side of beef. She lets the crowd know she knows how to shoot, saying, "The second shot was to let you know the first was no accident." The man hands over the money.

Knowing that Philo has come to look for her, Lynn helps the Black Widows lure him into a trap. Philo sees Lynn and attempts to talk to her, but finds himself surrounded by the Black Widows. He manages to fight most of them until Orville intervenes. Using a garbage truck with a dumpster hoist, he dumps all the motorcycles into the back of the truck. The Widows charge the garbage truck, but Orville gets away. Philo, Echo, and Orville then escape.

Philo finally finds Lynn and she reveals her shallow nature to him. Hurt by her callousness, Philo says that he is the only one dumb enough to want to take her further than her bed. Philo watches as Lynn erupts in a fit of rage, striking him repeatedly until she collapses in tears.

Orville learns that Tank Murdock, based in the area, is ready to retire after one more fight. Orville makes the arrangements, and Philo faces his ageing nemesis. During the fight, the crowd, initially pro-Murdock, begins to insult him, with some murmurs that Philo is going to be the next Murdock. Philo lets his guard down, intentionally giving Murdock a clear shot, knocking Philo down for the count. Murdock, having regained the crowd's esteem, is allowed to retire undefeated, although he knows Philo let him win. Clyde, Orville and Echo head home the next day.

Cast

 * Clint Eastwood as Philo Beddoe
 * Sondra Locke as Lynn Halsey-Taylor
 * Geoffrey Lewis as Orville
 * Beverly D'Angelo as Echo
 * Ruth Gordon as Ma
 * Walter Barnes as Tank Murdock
 * George Chandler as D.M.V. Clerk
 * Sam Gilman as Fat Man's Friend
 * Roy Jenson as Woody, Secretary Biker
 * James McEachin as Herb
 * Bill McKinney as Dallas, Treasurer Biker
 * William O'Connell as Elmo, Sergeant-at-Arms Biker
 * John Quade as Cholla, the Biker Leader
 * Dan Vadis as Frank, Assistant Head Biker
 * Gregory Walcott as Putnam
 * Hank Worden as Trailer Court Manager

Screenwriter Jeremy Kronsberg has a small role as Bruno the biker, while martial artist Gene LeBell also features as another biker. Orangutan Manis costars as the ape, Clyde. Making uncredited appearances are Harry Guardino as James Beekman, Mel Tillis as emcee/performer at the Palomino honkytonk club and Phil Everly as a singer at the club.

Production
The script, written by Jeremy Joe Kronsberg, had been rejected by many other Hollywood production companies. However, Eastwood saw the project as a means of broadening his appeal to the public, although most of his production team and his agents reportedly thought it was ill-advised. Eastwood's associate Bob Hoyt convinced Warner Brothers to buy the story.

The Clyde character was played by an orangutan named Manis. Eastwood said of using the orangutan for the main role, "Clyde was one of the most natural actors I ever worked with! But you had to get him on the first take because his boredom level was very limited."

The film has a contemporary Western theme, displaying the blue-collar aspects of the Western United States, with many scenes shot in rural locations, cheap motel rooms, industrial facilities and honkytonk bars. Location filming took place in the California communities of Bakersfield, North Hollywood, San Fernando, Sun Valley, Ukiah and Van Nuys. It was also filmed in Colorado, including parts of Denver, Aurora and historic Georgetown. A few scenes were also filmed in Albuquerque, Santa Fe and Taos, New Mexico.

Title origin
The film's title refers to the Eddie Rabbitt song of the same name from the soundtrack, but the phrase had also appeared in the previous year's Smokey and the Bandit.

Box-office performance
Upon its release, the film was a surprising success and became Eastwood's most commercially successful film at the time. The film opened in 1,275 theatres and grossed $10,272,294 in its first week, beating Eastwood's previous best opener, The Enforcer.

It grossed a total of $104.3 million in the United States and Canada, over $500 million when adjusted for inflation, ranking high among those of Eastwood's career, and was the second-highest-grossing film of 1978.

Critical response
Critical reviews were uniformly negative: Janet Maslin of The New York Times called the film "the slackest and most harebrained of Mr. Eastwood's recent movies. It's overlong and virtually uneventful, even though there are half a dozen cute characters and woolly subplots competing for the viewer's attentions." Variety commented, "This film is so awful it's almost as if Eastwood is using it to find out how far he can go—how bad a film he can associate himself with." Gene Siskel of the Chicago Tribune awarded 2.5 stars out of 4 and wrote that the comedy "breaks new ground" for Eastwood, but the film "has been sloppily made. Its villains are pathetic cartoon characters; its seemingly-sweet leading lady turns out to be a psychotic. These errors cripple what could have been an extremely entertaining story." Charles Champlin of the Los Angeles Times called it "a slapdash, slapstick comedy" that "pushes all the right buttons" for audiences but "lacks both the urgency and the emotional satisfactions of Eastwood's angrier films." Gary Arnold of The Washington Post wrote, "Eastwood must have thought of his blundering new vehicle, 'Every Which Way but Loose,' as a change of pace, designed to align his career in a direction similar to that of Burt Reynolds. Casual, knockabout farce seems to be the general idea, but perhaps Eastwood should have borrowed the director and writers who helped shape 'Smokey and the Bandit' and 'Hooper' for Reynolds. 'Every Which Way but Loose' certainly isn't loose. It's a sluggish shambles." David Ansen of Newsweek wrote, "One can forgive the orangutan's participation—he couldn't read the script—but what is Eastwood's excuse? That a star with his power in Hollywood would choose to litter the screen with this plotless junk heap of moronic gags, sour romance and fatuous fisticuffs can be taken either as an expression of contempt for his huge audience or as an act of masochism."

As of August 2023, it holds a rating of 41% on review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes based on 27 reviews, with an average rating of 5.0/10. The website's critical consensus reads, "The inexplicable pairing of Clint Eastwood with an orangutan is the least of Every Which Way But Loose's problems—a slack action-comedy with a haphazardly assembled story."

Soundtrack
The soundtrack album included many successful country music hits, and two of its songs reached No. 1 on the Billboard Hot Country Singles chart in 1979: the title track "Every Which Way but Loose" by Eddie Rabbitt and "Coca-Cola Cowboy" by Mel Tillis; also included was "Behind Closed Doors" by Charlie Rich, which had reached the No. 1 spot on the Hot Country Singles chart in 1973. Other songs featured in the film that reached the Top 5 of the country chart included Rich's "I'll Wake You Up When I Get Home" (No. 3) and Tillis's "Send Me Down to Tucson" (No. 2).

Producer Snuff Garrett was hired to produce songs for the film, including three for Sondra Locke's character, although this proved problematic as Locke was not a professional singer. Locke, who appears as Eastwood's love interest, performs several musical numbers in the film as well.

In addition to "Behind Closed Doors", a 1960 song by Hank Thompson, "A Six Pack to Go" was featured in the film and included on the soundtrack.

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