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Talk:Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team

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Disputed
See Talk:1993 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships. --Mormegil (talk) 17:15, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

2004 world cup
please refrain from adding bronze designation. The IIHF does rank them third in their tables, however the NHL does not provide a ranking at all, and in the IIHF biographical register none of the team is given a placement in the tournament. I believe it is more accurate to say "lost in semi-final" but third is okay, however there was clearly no award of any kind so a medal coloration is inappropriate.18abruce (talk) 13:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Page move
The 2022 World Jrs, the 2022 World Srs, maybe the 2022 Winter Olympics. It seems that Czechia is being used now, by the IIHF. Perhaps we should consider changing the title of this article to Czechia men's national ice hockey team. GoodDay (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Agreed. We should definitely use Czechia. Danda Panda (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Wikipedia should reflect reality. IIHF switched to Czechia in December 2021 based on the request of the Czech Ice-hockey Federation.Helveticus96 (talk) 04:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Wikipedia has the common name policy (WP:COMMONNAME), and commonly used name in ice-hockey context is now Czechia. Koristka (talk) 07:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's time to accept reality. Czechia prevails. --CzechReb (talk) 08:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The official name being used in ice-hockey for that team is CZECHIA. Like FRANCE, not FRENCH REPUBLIC. Honzejk (talk) 13:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We should do it in the case of the women's team (and junior teams) as well. It is practically the same case. IIHF uses Czechia, we can see it in TV broadcasts, makes sense to use it there. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 14:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Team name does not always match with common country name: United Kingdom - Great Britain men's national ice hockey team, Taiwan - Chinese Taipei national football team, Russia - Olympic Athletes from Russia at the 2018 Winter Olympics... so it IS thinkable to rename this, independently of Czech Republic article. At least in the infobox. Chrz (talk) 16:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * But it could be used as an argument when we will decide on the name of the country's article. Martin Tauchman (talk) 16:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's high time Wikipedia accepts the short name Czechia. The name is catching on more and more and there is no way back. Sergiovision1234 (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Disagree. The Wikipedia article for the country is Czech Republic. Wikipedia readers would be confused if the Czech Republic was called Czech Republic one place on Wikipedia and Czechia in some other places, they might think these are two separate countries. --StellarNerd (talk) 20:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * United Kingdom - Great Britain men's national ice hockey team. Two separate countries? And in that case there's no evident similarity like with Czech Republic and Czech-ia. Don't underestimate readers, do not give them "better, filtered and harmonized reality" just because you suspect they suck in geography. Chrz (talk) 21:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's time to change the main article as well. Czechia is here to stay, the footbal association of Czechia annonced the switch on May 24th, 2022 as well. https://facr.fotbal.cz/komunike-ze-zasedani-vv-facr-ze-dne-24-5-2022/a16419 Helveticus96 (talk) 05:18, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Admin note: Changing the name of the country-article is not an option that is on the table. This talk-page here isn't the place to discuss that article's name, and there is a moratorium on discussions of renaming that article in place for the next several months. Do not continue it here or now. DMacks (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It is already used in the article about the 2022 IIHF World Championship. It will be used in the case of the next tournaments as well. Therefore, it makes sense to unify the article's name with the name used there. And I think that the best way to do that is to rename this article. Martin Tauchman (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Be advised, I'm planning on changing the article title, today. GoodDay (talk) 19:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Disagree. Common name on whole of Wikipedia is set by wide discussion by WP:COMMONNAME. So unitil that is set, there's no reason to change page names. I would also like to question relevance of opinions of users Helveticus96, Koristka, CzechReb, Honzejk, Martin Tauchman and Chrz, which were publicated as part of mass raid after political group connected with Facebook page "Czechia" publicated appeal to post exactly on this discussion page posts connected for this goal. Thank you --Jaromeus (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Arguments matter, not nationality of supporters or opposers or number of editors involved in discussion. It is not a political group on FB, so there's another of your argument. Examples were given where country name and sport team name does not match and Wikipedia accepts it, so there's no need of mindless unity enforcing where it would contradict the sources. Chrz (talk) 20:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please stay factual, no labeling of your "opponents" needed. Should Wikipedia reflect reality? I am strongly convinced, that it should be this way. Does the IIHF use Czechia? They do, so where is the problem? Football started to use Czechia as well, so make peace with it, it will not go away. Helveticus96 (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree It is the name being used by the governing body of the competitions the team enters, as agreed upon by the team itself.–uncleben85 ( talk ) 20:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak disagree. There is no need to hurry, why not wait until the title of the Czech Republic page is discussed again? And few comments: 1. If there can be different name for a team and a country, changing the team name ceases to be an argument for renaming the country page. 2. The football team has not changed its name yet. The current name is still used by UEFA, including recent UEFA Nations League matches and promotion of upcoming UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship. The quoted source only says that the Executive Committee has received information about the name Czechia. FromCzech (talk) 07:52, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hurry? Team name and place name are separate issues and discussions, examples were given that Wikipedia gets that.
 * 1. If the name is used only for sport results, it would hardly impress Wikipedia during country COMMONNAME discussion. The card is played where it belongs. Hockey name of the team for article of that team.
 * The Great Britain men's national ice hockey team is the national ice hockey team that represents the United Kingdom.
 * So
 * The Czechia men's national ice hockey team is the national ice hockey team that represents the Czech Republic - perfectly OK, country name unaffected to please the wikigods.
 * 2. Soccer is expected next, but should it affect discussion about hockey? It is not expected that all sports will start using it at once (welcome to Czechia). Are we waiting for the most important ones, or the last one? Chrz (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And I moved it back. There is consensus above, the discussion was highly canvassed, and it wasn't a properly advertised requested move. --StellarNerd (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , you have a lot of them to undo, then. But FWIW, you're free to open up an RFC on the entire matter. I'd suggest WP:HOCKEY as the location, as this deals with only ice hockey. GoodDay (talk) 20:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 2 June 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. The main conflicting arguments are WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT (i.e., with all other titles containing "Czech Republic"). Considering the substantial policy-based arguments on both sides, there is no clear consensus to change these article to diverge from Czech Republic. (This was previously closed by reason of a 6-month WP:MORATORIUM at Czech Republic (after no consensus on moving to ), but was reopened by consensus because that moratorium did not apply to other articles.) (non-admin closure) SilverLocust (talk) 05:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

– IIHF and media do use the term "Czechia", so it's time for Wikipedia. 78.128.191.21 (talk) 12:08, 2 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team → Czechia men's national ice hockey team
 * Czech Republic men's national junior ice hockey team → Czechia men's national junior ice hockey team
 * Czech Republic women's national ice hockey team → Czechia women's national ice hockey team
 * Czech Republic women's national under-18 ice hockey team → Czechia women's national under-18 ice hockey team

 * Oppose. The request seems premature based on current media usage. A search at newspapers.com for the date range 2022–2023 yields 122 matches for ["czech republic team" hockey] and only 9 matches for ["czechia team" hockey]. Doremo (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that team names are usually constructed in the opposite way, so Team Canada, not "Canada Team", and Team USA, not "United States Team". Using your parameters, "Team Czechia" yields more results than "Team Czech Republic". Wracking  talk! 15:03, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That syntax (postmodified rather than premodified) would imply article title moves to the form "Men's national ice hockey team Czechia", etc., which seems dubious. A search at newspapers.com for the date range 2022–2023 yields 176 matches for ["czech team" hockey], 122 matches for ["czech republic team" hockey], 37 matches for ["team czechia" hockey], 9 matches for ["czechia team" hockey], and 6 matches for ["team czech republic" hockey]. Doremo (talk) 15:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I misinterpreted your search. Thanks for clearing it up. That syntax wouldn't imply that at all... I linked the Canada and USA pages, look at how they're named. Wracking  talk! 15:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the solution for Canada men's national ice hockey team is a good one. The capitalization pattern also shows how "Canada men's national ice hockey team" (and similar) are descriptive titles rather than team names. Doremo (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly; then I think it comes back to contextual common usage on whether to use Czech Republic or Czechia. Wracking  talk! 15:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * According to the naming policy, the common name should be demonstrated by the majority of sources. Not matches. Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The matches at newspapers.com are sources (i.e., individual newspaper articles in which the text string matches). Maybe the word matches above was misunderstood as 'games'. Doremo (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * But you cannot count them as independent sources (this is what the WP:COMMONNAME requires). Additionally, it is necessary to mention that there are also other types of sources than newspapers. Martin Tauchman (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I fail to see why separate newspaper articles (by various journalists in various newspapers) are not independent sources. Of course there are other sources, but newspapers are one useful metric among published sources because they contain a greater quantity of sports coverage than, say, published books. Doremo (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Because more than one article can come from the same publisher. And articles from one publisher cannot be considered as independent because of common naming policy. Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:56, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds like quite a tenuous objection. In any case, the ratio ["czech republic team" hockey] : ["team czechia" hockey] remains 3.3 to 1 in newspapers from 2022–2023 because any theoretical effect of "from the same publisher" should affect both numbers equally. Doremo (talk) 18:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Prove it. Martin Tauchman (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Media review: I'm just listing one source per year per team name, to give an idea of what editorial decisions may be being made. Note that the team is also often referred to in prose as simply "Czechs".

 * Czechia
 * Sportsnet, 2023
 * The Hockey News, 2023
 * Bleacher Report, 2023
 * Elite Prospects, 2023

 * Czech Republic

 * Associated Press per Sportsnet, 2023
 * The Hockey News, 2022
 * ESPN, 2022

 * Both

 * The Canadian Press per Sportsnet, 2023 – Czechia (10), Czech Republic (3)
 * CBC, 2023 – Headline uses "Czechia", speakers use "Czech Republic"

 * AP and Canadian Press stories are syndicated. Wracking  talk! 15:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I would like to update it: The Hockey News uses Czechia in 2023. Martin Tauchman (talk) 20:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, they shifted from Czech Republic in 2022 to Czechia in 2023. Wracking  talk! 20:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding to this: the AP Stylebook does not prefer Czech Republic or Czechia, but recommends mentioning Czech Republic when using the latter term. Still, in the context of hockey, AP (via ESPN) has used Czechia alone.    Wracking  talk! 21:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support It is widely used media (such as TSN). It is also used in Wikipedia articles like 2023 IIHF World Championship, 2023 IIHF Women's World Championship, 2023 IIHF World U18 Championships, and 2023 IIHF World Women's U18 Championship. It is also the name that is shown during the broadcast. Someone could argue that the country's article is called Czech Republic. But I don't see this argument as valid since we have Great Britain men's national ice hockey team and United Kingdom. WP:CONSISTENCY does not apply. And in the terms of the WP:COMMONNAME, I have already presented the Canadian broadcaster of the IIHF tournament. In the case of the United States, it was licensed by NHL Network (uses the term Czechia) and ESPN + (also uses the term Czechia) . In the United Kingdom, it is Viaplay UK that broadcasted the IIHF 2023 Championship. They use the term Czechia as well. This company broadcasts in Ireland as well. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support - The IIHF has been using Czechia, for the last two or so years. GoodDay (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per use by IIHF and adoption by external sources (provided above by me and Martin Tauchman) as common name for the team. Hockey media has largely transitioned to "Czechia"; "Czech Republic" is largely used in AP syndications though AP accepts both. (AP syndication may skew uncontextualized counts of "matches".) Wracking  talk! 21:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * AP accepts both but it states that you have to use the term ‘Czech Republic’ in the story for clarification. But, as we discussed here, ‘The reality is however that both the current title [Czech Republic] and the proposed title [Czechia] are valid monikers for the article and readers are very unlikely to fail to find the article, regardless of which title prevails.’ So it wouldn't be a problem for Wikipedia to use just the term Czechia as we do it in articles I have mentioned above. Martin Tauchman (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Support per above. But I wouldn't say there is a total consensus among reliable sources that use Czechia vs. Czech Republic. I think this is mainly because of international support of Czechia as shorthand came only 7 years ago in 2016. There is a majority, but I'm not confident to say consensus. Conyo14 (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support/Alternative Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team called Czechia. Chrz (talk) 07:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC) EDIT: At the very least, this should be legalized and Infobox national hockey team on the right side of the article should be Name = Czechia. Men's national ice hockey team of the Czech Republic, which is called Czechia.Chrz (talk) 13:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Too long. Using just Czechia is better. Martin Tauchman (talk) 07:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * After edit: I think that it would be better to use just Czechia men's national ice hockey team and the term Czechia everywhere in mentioned articles (and following articles) to be consistent within the article. Martin Tauchman (talk) 19:24, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There was this concern that the title of the article is just a descriptive and as such it should inherit the same name as the main article about the country. OK, in that case leave republic there, but don't use it on the places where team names are used instead. Chrz (talk) 20:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I don't share this point of view as I have pointed out in the case of the United Kingdom and Great Britain men's national ice hockey team. And this team represents the United Kingdom, as it was mentioned in reliable source. And the BBC article says: ‘Officially, the team is the "Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team". But since 1999, the The British Olympic Association (BOA) has used the brand "Team GB".’ So I don't think that the title is in this format. Someone could also point out Chinese Taipei men's national ice hockey team and Taiwan, but Taiwan is not an internationally recognized country. (But the title still does not describe the fact that the athletes do not have to be from Taipei). Using the logic, we should also use the term Russia in cases like Russian Olympic Committee athletes at the 2022 Winter Olympics since it is connected with Russia and we would just use it for description. (Something like Russia as ROC at the 2022 Winter Olympics or just Russia at the 2022 Winter Olympics). Martin Tauchman (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. The name of the page is directly linked to Czech Republic. When that changes, it changes everywhere. But until then, it is absurd to circumvent the result of the last discussion about the move, which ended only two weeks ago, by moving individual pages that contain the name of the country. The move here could lead to half of the pages being named Czechia and half Czech Republic, depending on which area prevails, and that's nonsense. "Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team" is the name of the encyclopedia entry, and even if the use of the abbreviated name may prevail in the media in the context of ice hockey (but only thanks to the Canadian media, where ice hockey is a religion), it doesn't outweigh the inconsistency within wikipedia and potentially making it difficult for readers to orient themselves. I see a parallel with Ivory Coast national football team, which is also consistent with the name of the country and not the name used by FIFA.

 * So, as it was very nicely written in the result of the move request on the country page: "The reality is however that both the current title and the proposed title are valid monikers for the article and readers are very unlikely to fail to find the article, regardless of which title prevails. I encourage editors to FOCUS on article content, quality sourcing and NPOV prose instead of the title." FromCzech (talk) 05:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Context based common name versus brainless mechanical unification in the name of "consistency" which does not appear in the sources. Is it descriptive title like "Czech Republic's men's national ice hockey team" which is called Czechia, or is it "Czechia: the men's national ice hockey team"? Chrz (talk) 05:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, in the case of the United Kingdom, it is done this way and there is no problem. We already use the term Czechia in Wikipedia articles, so it makes the situation closer to the United Kingdom – Great Britain than Ivory Coast – Côte d'Ivoire. Martin Tauchman (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a big difference. Team Great Britain is so named because it represents not the United Kingdom, but only England, Scotland and Wales without Northern Ireland. Then there is the Ireland team, which represents Republic of Ireland with Northern Ireland. FromCzech (talk) 13:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It represents the United Kingdom. This is ice hockey. Not football. See Great Britain men's national ice hockey team. Martin Tauchman (talk) 13:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Football is something completely different, every part of the UK is represented separately, I don't know why you are mixing it up. But in other sports, Great Britain and All-Ireland are represented separately, or the Northern Irish can choose which team they want to represent. See Ireland men's national ice hockey team. So team naming is consistent with the entity it represents. FromCzech (talk) 18:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Great Britain men's national ice hockey team clearly says: ‘The Great Britain men's national ice hockey team (also known as Team GB) is the national ice hockey team that represents the United Kingdom. A founding member of the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) in 1908, the team is controlled by Ice Hockey UK.’ So it is run by Ice Hockey UK. Martin Tauchman (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The Ireland thing is a well known fact, but you chose to believe the inaccurate wording from wikipedia, which contradicts other pages and sources, because it suits you. I don't have the strength to argue, think what you want. FromCzech (talk) 05:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The fact that ‘Northern Irish can choose which team they want to represent’ does not contradict the fact that the team Great Britain represents the United Kingdom. Martin Tauchman (talk) 06:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: And I can also provide you a BBC article with BOA's statement that Great Britain at the Olympics represents the United Kingdom. Martin Tauchman (talk) 07:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Athletes from Northern Ireland (part of the UK) can also choose to compete as part of Team Ireland instead (though most sports in Northern Ireland are organised on an all-Ireland basis)", is said in the lead. This is the reason why the name Great Britain is used and why it cannot be used as an argument for the Czech case. FromCzech (talk) 09:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * But ice hockey isn't the case. Belfast plays in the British league. Not Irish. See and . Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: I can cite you from the BOA's website: ‘The British Olympic Association (BOA) is the National Olympic Committee (NOC) for Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands and the UK Overseas Territories (including the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar).
 * As such, neither ‘UK’ nor ‘GB’ accurately describes the BOA’s remit nor would they be representative of all the territories that fall under the BOA’s jurisdiction.’ Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC) And here it clearly says: ‘Team GB is the Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team.’ -Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This is all true. And yet, despite everything, the Northern Irish have the opportunity to represent Ireland, which is why the Great Britain team is so named in ice hockey, at the Olympics and almost everywhere, and that's why can't you use it as a parallel to the Czech team. FromCzech (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The fact that Northern Ireland players have the opportunity to represent Ireland does not mean, that Team GB does not represent the United Kingdom. Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: I would also remind this discussion where it was proved that it is possible to use a different name than the Czech Republic in the article's title. Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Oppose per FromCzech. Just an attempt to get around the failed proposal to move the country. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 * This is not voting. Just discussion. And you have provided no evidence of your statement. Martin Tauchman (talk) 14:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support This RM does not concern the Czech Republic article. We are discussing hockey teams. When it comes to these teams, reliable secondary sources have used "Czechia" since 2021, and we should follow them. 162 etc. (talk) 18:57, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support Media do use the term Czechia. Even NBC does. -89.24.45.8 (talk) 21:50, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support per nom, and move the country page title too.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Oppose. In general, articles about entities pertaining to a particular country ought to use the same name for that country as the parent article, that's a simple consistency and recognizability issue. There might be occasional exceptions to that, if a deliberate attempt has been made to use a name that differs from the national common name, or if the common name of the subentity is so overwhelmingly something else that we would have to follow suit. But per Wracking's source evidence above, I don't see that as the case here, so we should retain the status quo. — Amakuru (talk) 07:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * According to Wracking's comment, the majority of sources use the term Czechia nowadays. 4:1:2 (Czechia : Czech Republic : both). Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Note – Prevails in media. Not even Radio Prague International uses the formal name. 78.128.191.21 (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Comment I would like to point out this post written by . From my point of view, it would be polite to mention it here. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 18:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support per nom and in agreement with 162 etc.. Triggerbit (talk) 22:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support per Team USA's website. --83.167.224.184 (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Relisting comment: MR consensus. Orginal close was: Not moved. The moratorium on Talk:Czech Republic, which encompasses all Czech Republic to Czechia moves, is still in place until 25 November. (non-admin closure)   O.N.R.  (talk) 23:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support Not entirely universal yet, but the IIHF use Czechia, the NHL uses Czechia, and the majority of sources use Czechia. SportingFlyer  T · C  10:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Moving closure
You are wrong. The moratorium on the Czech Republic affects the article only. Let me cite it: ‘Article is move protected for 6 months.’ It does not say anything about other articles. Martin Tauchman (talk) 23:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Can you clarify if you believe the moratorium at Czech Republic affects this article? 162 etc. (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There was no intent to protect moves on related articles. Much too complicated to attribute the Czech Republic decision to tangential articles. Each of any tangential article titles must stand on their own merit and go through a normal RM process if change is considered. Mike Cline (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see above. I'd ask that your close of the RM be undone. 162 etc. (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree. The provided reason is not valid. Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Majority of editors believed that context-based common name is a thing and that Wikipedia already acknowledges it by rare but existing examples. RM was about the name of article, not about a name presented after picture with flag and in infoboxes. Support for "team name" Czechia should be visible in such places. Chrz (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I've politely asked for a review at Administrators' noticeboard. -Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Move review might be a better venue. FYI, move review requires that the closer is given a few days to respond. ONR hasn't really been active since the close and is unlikely to have seen these messages. Wracking  talk! 17:09, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I have made the procedure according to Closing_discussions. Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: He was active at 10 June. Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I still don't believe AN is the right venue. Right above the guidance you linked, it advises to use move review for moves. This is not "other closures".
 * ONR was not active after 162 etc. requested the undoing of the move; they have not been given a reasonable amount of time to respond to these comments or the one on their talk page. Let's assume good faith here. I understand that you might feel strongly about this, but circumventing intended processes won't help.  Wracking  talk! 17:26, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ONR is active (as they've edited today), fwiw. GoodDay (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @GoodDay Thanks for the heads-up!! I'm a bit busy off-wiki right now, so I'm not able to pursue this at the moment. Maybe you (or someone else) feel like moving (ha) forward with a move review request? Wracking  talk! 23:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps another will seek an overturn of the premature close. GoodDay (talk) 00:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverted, now let's wait for the proper close. Chrz (talk) 21:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, not much better. Consistency consistency consistency.... Like sources does not matter. Chrz (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


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Concern about Excessive Detail
I've been reading and editing this article and I've slowly come to the realization that this article might be overly-detailed. While I've edited within this precedent for now, I think we should discuss removing some of the non-notable content on this article. Specifically, the list of supported file formats would likely be targeted for removal under WP:INDISCRIMINATE. This level of detail isn't seen on similar articles, like Adobe Premiere Pro. The software versions might need to be trimmed as well. Major releases likely can be kept as notable, but smaller point releases, and much of the iOS version table, might need to be trimmed if 3rd party sources establishing notability can't be found. Let me know what you think. Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 04:25, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

 * I think we should leave the supported versions in. Other stuff, I don't care. Thanks. Betaneptune (talk) 06:15, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * OTOH, the article doesn't look that long to me. Maybe leave it as is?
 * I can't believe anybody actually does any useful editing on an iPhone.
 * I meant supported file formats, not supported versions.
 * I think maybe we should increase the detail on the others! There are plenty of articles that go into all sorts of things in great detail, and still sometimes manage to miss something important. Betaneptune (talk) 06:20, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not necessarily a matter of how long the article appears, it's a matter of whether the content is notable. Something like specific supported file formats is WP:INDISCRIMINATE information that can be found on the Apple website anyways. WP:INDISCRIMINATE specifically states that these articles shouldn't contain extensive version history logs without notability by third party sources. We might be able to trim it by adding a link in the see also section or a see also to a related Wikipedia article. Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I've had rather mixed success finding anything on the Apple website. Hell, why not ditch the entire article and replace it Apple links?
 * 2) Looks fine to me. Maybe a little too much detail in all the software versions. But I looked at the versions I'm familiar with, and I'd like just a little more detail. Like the fact that iMovie 9.x became more and more dysfunctional each successive macOS upgrade, and is now not usable at all. In Mojave, it doesn't even launch at all except for the menu bar headings. This happened somewhere around El Capitan, I think. I do know that it got progressively worse with each OS upgrade. Buggy when it did launch fine.
 * 3) Why is it a problem listing all the file formats? It's just a couple of tables. It'd be easier to find info about problems with older versions than on apple.com. Trust me, I've looked for info about what got lost when converting iMovie 9.x.x projects into iMovie 10. They had it many years ago, but when I needed it a year or two ago, nothing. Nada. And nothing about it here, either. I wish there was. And there was some compatibility. Certain things didn't come over right, like color corrections and maybe titles. I tried to look it up all over the web. and came up empty-handed. I made a detailed check of what settings carried over, and have it in my notes. Yes, backward compatibility seems to not be a concept that Apple is familiar with. At least with the drop of Quick-time architecture (or whatever it was) and the dropping of many video formats and 64-bit and whatnot, they gave us fair warning. The content seems quite notable to me. You asked, and this is my opinion. Betaneptune (talk) 19:48, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Notability requires reliable third party sources. I'm having trouble finding them, and from what you're saying, it looks like there's a lack of them on the internet. Can you please provide them? Otherwise, the content doesn't seem to be encyclopedic. Even if information wouldn't otherwise be available online, it doesn't necessarily merit inclusion in a Wikipedia article. Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding on to this, the citation we have right now on the file formats sections actually contains a list of supported file formats. The coverage of the Apple transition to 64-bit software largely focused on software programs and not video formats. I think there are ways we can reduce the length of the article to comply more with WP:INDISCRIMINATE while still covering the file formats in less depth. We could move the supported file formats section into the features section, and reduce the tables into a few sentences describing major file formats and the deprecation of 32-bit formats. A citation to the Apple website we have now will allow readers to see the other file formats, without need for excessive detail that wouldn't fit Wikipedia's policies. Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 20:02, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "The coverage of the Apple transition to 64-bit software largely focused on software programs and not video formats." Coverage by whom? As a Final Cut user who has digital movie files in the Apple Motion JPEG A format, I was very focused on the video file formats! And there are a lot of Final Cut users! And iMovie users! Don't be so dismissive!
 * I'll see if I can find the deprecated formats. Just a minute. . ..
 * https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209029
 * In older versions of iMovie 10, there was a menu item called "Check Media for Compatibility". And the same in FCP. But not anymore. Here's the similar page for FCP:
 * https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209000
 * (I have these links saved from before, and I still have my old Mac, which is running Mojave, and can therefore use these abandoned video formats, and the apps have those menu items.)
 * If you're going to have the history of all the older versions, why not the older video formats? Seems you should have both or neither. I mean, who's using anything older than iMovie '11 (v9.0.x)? Good luck finding documentation for them!
 * I suspect these links will be removed by Apple sometime in the next couple of years. Hmmmm. I should save an on-disk copy of each for myself!
 * Anyway, you now have the links.
 * BTW, at least some 3rd-party apps still support the older video formats! (IINA, at least.) Apple apps do not.
 * BTW, the Version Table is empty.
 * Let me know if you have any further questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betaneptune (talk • contribs) 09:18, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Supported formats should just be a link to Apple's site in the External links section, per WP:NOTGUIDE. Apple's site is the only possible reliable source for that info, and our content will inevitably end up wrong or out of date, and mislead users. Linking to that page in "External links" will help users find it, and avoid us having a potentially inaccurate table.
 * Betaneptune, I sympathize with your problems with iMovie; but Wikipedia isn't meant to be useful (sounds harsh, I know), or to help people with certain apps. It's meant to only contain encyclopedic information. Moreover, we shouldn't include external content that is only useful when presented verbatim (see the third bullet point).
 * The removal of 64-bit support should also be described in prose. We can even dedicate a whole paragraph to it. But what we cover must be fundamentally encyclopedic knowledge (i.e. professional users' reactions, Apple's intentions, how it was perceived, etc). But we can't list every single format (either supported, or dropped from the 64-bit transition), since it would be considered excessive, unencyclopedic detail. The fact is, in order for this article to become a Good Article, we'd need to remove most of these details anyway. No reason not to do it now. DFlhb (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Done with changes; kept the supported formats table for now. Do you have any remaining concerns about undue content? DFlhb (talk) 02:46, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Besides the current supported formats table, I have no other concerns now. Thank you so much for your hard work!Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 03:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

change mov to jpg
how i can change Mov to jpg 216.15.107.99 (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy birthday to you
King that I have to be a good day @itz_sahil_88995 103.47.14.42 (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

sinulog performance
dance performance edit Hii'mpretchy (talk) 09:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Maan singh editar
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Mike Gibson (rugby union)

Cameron Michael Henderson Gibson MBE (born 3 December 1942) is a former rugby union international player who represented Ireland and the British & Irish Lions.

Gibson is regarded as one of the greatest rugby union players. On his induction into the IRB Hall of Fame in May 2011, former teammate and fellow Hall of Fame inductee Syd Millar said of him: "... [he] was one of the finest players of his generation, one of the finest players ever to represent Ireland and the British & Irish Lions and a man who epitomised the very ethos of the Game and its values".

Early life
Gibson was educated at Campbell College in Belfast and went on to study law at Queens' College, Cambridge.

Club career
Gibson played the bulk of his career for North of Ireland F.C. ("North"). While studying, Gibson played for Cambridge University. In February 1966 he played for London Irish against St Mary's Hospital. He continued playing club rugby until 42.

Ireland
Gibson's distinguished career began with Ireland in 1964 and he earned his 69th and final cap in the second and final test win against Australia in Sydney in 1979 at age 36. A versatile player, he represented his country in four different positions. His all-round talent marked him out as a centre of distinction. Prior to moving to centre, Gibson played fly half to a high level. He was known for the perception and timing of his attacking play, the focus and anticipation of his defence and the dedication and commitment with which he applied himself across a 15-year international career in which he appeared in a then-world record 81 Tests, including five tours with the British & Irish Lions

Famed as much for good hands and line-breaking ability as his tactical skills and rapier boot, Gibson scored 112 Test points (9 tries, 16 penalties, 7 conversions and 6 drop goals) for Ireland.

Gibson's record Ireland caps haul of 69 was overtaken by lock Malcolm O'Kelly against Scotland in February 2005. The mark had lasted for 26 years. His record of 56 appearances in the Five Nations (now Six Nations) was not equalled until countryman Ronan O'Gara reached the mark in Ireland's final match of the 2011 Six Nations.

British and Irish Lions
On the 1968 tour to South Africa, Gibson made history in the opening Test by becoming the first replacement in international rugby. He showed stamina by playing in 11 of the final 13 matches after Welsh fly-half Barry John had been invalided out of the tour.

In the 1971 tour to New Zealand, Gibson formed a strong midfield combination alongside captain John Dawes. With Gareth Edwards, Barry John, Gerald Davies, J.P.R. Williams and David Duckham, this was one of the finest backlines in Lions history.

The 1971 tour remains to date the Lions' sole series victory over the All Blacks; it was on this tour that Gibson won the respect of the New Zealand rugby public with his attacking flair and timing.

Gibson's work commitments saw him join the 1974 Lions in South Africa as a replacement during the second half of the tour. Gibson was known for his humility and demonstrated it here by willingly playing understudy to the new Test pairing of Ian McGeechan and Richard Milliken.

Gibson was selected for his fifth Lions tour in 1977, equalling fellow Irishman Willie John McBride's record. However, back and hamstring problems meant that Gibson was unable to compete for a test place.

Representative teams
Gibson played for a combined Scotland/Ireland XV in the 1970 Centenary of RFU celebration match against a combined England/Wales XV and again in the 1972 Scottish Rugby Union Centenary match.

Honours
He was awarded an MBE for services to the game.

When the International Rugby Hall of Fame was instituted in 1997, Gibson was one of the initial fifteen inductees. Upon his induction into the IRB Hall of Fame in 2011, Gibson was quick to pay tribute to his teammates, calling rugby the greatest team sport.

In January 2012 Gibson was inducted into the Belfast Telegraph Hall of Fame.

In an interview in 2011, Irish rugby great Brian O'Driscoll praised Gibson's contribution to Irish rugby:

"At times when Irish rugby wasn't successful Mike was always the shining light. He played international rugby for 15 years and that speaks volumes about him. He was a magnificent player and a true ambassador for the game."

Professional career
After retirement, Gibson practised as a solicitor in Belfast and continued to play an active role in the rugby community. Fellow Irish international David Humphreys trained as a solicitor in Gibson's firm.

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Talk:Finland men's national ice hockey team

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Why there is Suomi-company (http://www.suomi-yhtio.fi/default.htm) ad in team logo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.176.154 (talk) 13:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Suomi is Finnish for Finland. Patken4 03:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

of course, but this "Suomi" text is paid ad! it is not national team's official logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.173.111 (talk) 17:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * You're mistaken. "Sumoi" is not a paid text ad.  It is the Finnish word for "Finland".  It appears on the jerseys of the national team along with the "Finland"-capped golden lion.  The link you quote above has little to do with "Suomi" as such; it is some random web page of some random Finnish company that just happens to use the word "Suomi" (which makes sense; Suomi being Finnish for Finland). You're wrong to delete the "Suomi" image from the national team's page.  It is added information, graphically, of the native Finnish word for Finland. Mareklug  talk  04:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I must say that there is a point in the original question whether Suomi is a paid ad or not, since I remember that this new kind of jersey started to first appear a couple of years ago soon after that very Suomi company started to sponsor the Finnish team, and the text on the jersey was only a minor deviation from actually having the company's logo as used in some practice matches etc. (Before that, the jersey simply had the word "SUOMI" in the central lion shield, and it didn't say "Finland" anywhere at all). However, the Suomi company obviously doesn't sponsor them anymore; at least it isn't even mentioned on the Finnish hockey association's website. (Logos of the current sponsors: http://www.finhockey.fi/info/yhteistyokumppanit/) So, I dare to say that if it ever was paid ad, it sure as hell isn't anymore. user:Ville Moilanen 03:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Suomi is neither a paid nor an unpaid ad. It's just the Finnish word for Finland.  There has not been such a thing as "that very Suomi company" sponsoring the Finnish team.  Simply, the Finnish team had Finland spelled out on their jersey in their own language!  Now they have it in both English and Finnish.  There has never been, to my knowledge, a commercial sponsor's name on the Finnish national jersey.  -- Mareklug  talk  14:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I am Finnish myself, and I clearly remember this as it was only a couple of years ago. Suomi company was sponsoring the team, and they had the biggest logo ad on Team Finland's non-IIHF jersey at the time. So, it is arguable that the usage of the text — or more precicely the font used — on the IIHF jersey, may or may have not have been paid by the company. I'm not claiming that they ever did, but I'm pointing out facts why it just might be so. Ville Moilanen 15:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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Lake Placid 1980
As the Finland team was the opponent for the Americans in their gold medal clinching 1980 "Miracle" team which had previously defeated the Soviet Union in that tournament, at least two things deserve mention. One was that the above game took place; the other would be how that they were in this game but wound up finishing fourth and out of the medals. This would not be possible in the current format so briefly touching on the formats of international play and their changes over time would be good, while still leaving the focus on the article where it really belongs. 2600:1004:B142:AFCB:0:9:482B:9A01 (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

The players playing for the teams are outdated
There are players no longer on the former teams and are now currently in another team for Finland. UltraJackNotEvenFound (talk) 14:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

First international
Why is there two "first international" games? --Mika1h (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


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User talk:Tim Starling/Archive 7

WikiDB great idea
Hi Tim,

I was super excited to see your recent post on wikipedia-l about considering coding a wikidb capacity. I've been searching for that feature for a long time. Mediawiki has been a great help in organizing and maintaining institutional memory for some groups that I am a member of. It's great, but I have long wanted a better, wiki way to organize structured data.

Lunchboxhero 19:43, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Password
Hi Tim. What is the SQL query to find out users who share the same password? Mintguy (T) 07:57, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Mintguy (T)

 * Ah.. I see querries are not currently available. Mintguy (T)

Reciprocal System of Theory
(William M. Connolley 10:59, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)) Hello. Having come across Reciprocal System of Theory (ominously in removing a link Reddi added on the gravity page) I am inclined to list it on VfD or just possibly revert to a much earlier version, perhaps. I see it was VfD listed and unlisted (in aug 2002) but don't know what happened then.

But I would be interested in your opinion first, since you have extensively worked on and commented on it.

 * (William M. Connolley 13:22, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)) OK, thanks: its now listed.

Hi Tim.

For http://wikimedia.org/wiki/How_you_can_help, I would like that we find the information about Major Donations. Among the major ones were recently servers. Could you summarize this (who gave them, how many, and if they gave publicly ... their name). Thanks :-) SweetLittleFluffyThing

Indonesian Wikipedia
Hi Tim, I see that you are also a sysop on the Indonesian Wikipedia as well as a developer. Can you please help us installing the new translations and the new logo of the Indonesian Wikipedia? The current ones are actually Malay ones.

These are the locations for the Indonesian language file:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LanguageId.php The logo should read: "Ensiklopedia Bebas"

Thanks in anticipation! (Please reply to my Indonesian Wikipedia userpage). Meursault2004 12:19, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Fire / Ronny
Why has Fire/Ronny had his shell access denied? When was this decision made, and by whom? - Mark 13:49, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * There were two reasons: firstly because it was granted mistakenly, due to a misunderstanding between Jimbo and Jason. Secondly, it was granted (and extended to wikidev group access) without consultation with the existing developers. The decision was made on August 10. IIRC the decision was made by JamesDay, Jeronim, Brion and myself. It was unanimous. -- Tim Starling 00:29, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * The discussion lasted some two hours, to be sure that all angles were considered. I expect we all regret that it hurt Fire, but miscommunication isn't a sufficient reason for shell access. Jamesday 08:00, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Links to User:
Hi, thanks for User:Tim_Starling/Redirects_from_:_to_User:. I thought I might ditch a bunch of them, ones that refer to ordinary people. Does that sound OK to you? Noel 15:06, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * It's not really my decision. List them on VFD under a single entry and see what everyone thinks. -- Tim Starling 07:21, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

Deleting user subpages
Tim

Please see my response at Wikipedia talk:Deletion of user subpages.

I'd appreciate some advice as to what you consider a suitable timescale, and I'm waiting for your reply before doing anything else. Andrewa 03:55, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Spam filter on et:
Hi Tim,

I don't know where to complain. On et: it is impossible to edit the page et:Vikipeedia:Üldine arutelu. An announcement on a spam filter appears. I don't understand this and don-t know what to do. Recently something similar appeared on et:Mongoolia. Can I read somewhere about spam filters on Wikipedia? Please look at it or tell someone who could do it.

Thank you. Andres 17:37, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * This is fixed now. You should get a more informative error message if it happens in the future. -- Tim Starling 01:45, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you Tim. Andres 06:09, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

WikiQuote Logo
Hello Tim,

I put this in Nanobug's and Kalki's talk page, but I thought I'd messge you too, as you are also an admin.

Just noticing that the logo is not transparent, and I can provide a transparent one if you like so that it sits better with the page. If there are any other little tidbits that I can do to improve it, let me know. You might also want to suggest updating the logo on the wikimedia.org site. It still is the old disproportionate arcs logo.

Transparent PNG logo:

I darkened the text a little so it would stand out more against a non-white background.

Cheers,

Neolux 06:18, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi, I had meant to reply earlier to Neolux, but got caught up with other things. I simply didn't know if I could change the logo, and I don't know how to do so at any rate. The transparent design is certainly okay with me. Also User:Shallot / User:Joy at Wikiquote had asked for a name change, and I thought that simply moving the User pages would work, but someone has informed me that it wouldn't, and a developer with acess to the shell needs to do it. Could you handle that matter? Thanks for all the work with the software around here, and I hope I didn't complicate things too much with my attempt at moving User:Shallot to User:Joy. ~ Kalki 23:28, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for adjusting the logo. The transparent version does look much better. ~ Kalki 18:46, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Fundraising message
Hi Tim, please set the default sitenotice to Wikimedia Fundraising Drive. Help us raise $50,000. See our fundraising page for details.

Information on this message - [ Edit this message]

Thank you. Angela. 16:43, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia Logo
Hey Tim, can you install this wikipedia on the faroese wikipedia. I am a sysop at the faroese wikipedia, and have protected the image to prevent vandalism. Quackor 15:51, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Done -- Tim Starling 16:09, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Help need on technical question of database/server load
There's a discussion across Template talk:imdb name and Template talk:imdb title about whether it would be appropriate to add an internal link to IMDb to each template, causing each article containing either one to link thereto. Apparently some people think this might impose an impossible load on the links table, or maybe on the server. I reckon that the system could easily cope. Could you please drop an informed opinion into the conversation—either to reassure the nervous that I'm not talking cobblers, or to tell me that I am talking cobblers (I won't mind honest :-)—or if necessary point me to a more appropriate expert. --Phil | Talk 07:58, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanx, that seems to have done the trick. --Phil | Talk 08:11, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

Issues with enrc.wikipedia
Hey Tim, has anyone been talking about #enrc.wikipedia and the bot in there? I know when I first joined back in March it would flood out maybe once or twice a day, but now it's a dozen or more times an hour. Any potential solutions (adding another bot, getting IRCops to tweak some parameters, etc.) being discussed? CryptoDerk 22:05, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)

Data Management Wiki Committee
Thank you for your contribution to one, or more, articles that are now organized under Data management.

Because of your previous intrest, you are recieving an invitation to become a founding member of the Data Management Wiki Committee.

The members, of course, will form and solidify the purpose, rules, officers, etc. but my idea (to kick things off) is to establish a group of us who will take responsiblity to see that the ideas of Data management are promoted and well represented in Wikipedia articles.

If you are willing to join the committee, please go to Category_talk:Data_management and indicate your acceptance of this invitation by placing your three tilde characters in the list.

KeyStroke 01:26, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)

LanguageFo.php
Hey Tim, can you install this wikipedia LanguageFo.php file on the faroese wikipedia. I am a sysop at the faroese wikipedia. Quackor 09:42, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Done -- Tim Starling 16:18, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

WikiSource interlanguage for German and Spanish version
User:Kaiser Bob from WikiSource requested de.wikisource.org about 3 weeks ago. See  and . Any chance this could be done already?

And, any chance that es.wikisource.org be set up for the Spanish Wikisource? User:Eclecticology and myself could be set up as admins there. My username on WikiSource is User:Maio.

—Joseph | Talk 20:03, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

 * There was no clear consensus in favour of this action. Although there is a consensus among the people who wish to start the wiki, it has always been the wider community who decide if a new wiki should be created. Accordingly, I've created a vote on the proposal at Wikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Language domain proposal. I suspect there were more people supporting the proposal than opposing it, but it's best to make sure. I'm not in a position to make these kinds of decisions. -- Tim Starling 09:17, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * The voting is over since more than a week now. There is no clear result: There are more votes supporting the language domains (22:13), but it seems that (on both sides) some people voted more than once. And most of the active people are against language domains. But what does this mean? People, who are not satisfied with Wikisource the way it is now, certainly aren't active there, and people who are contributing, do so, because there are satisfied with Wikisource as it is now.
 * Could the decision be moved to a kind of higher level? Are there some "bosses" at international Wikipedia, or anything else, who could decide? Or should the voting last until there is a clear majority? 80.133.87.121 14:56, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * You make really funny decisions. Because of this who speak English are against splitting and are distributing, the not englisch speaking are closed out. Sorry, but this is without any sense. Make a voting with not english-Speaking editors and you get 100% pro de.wikisource.org. Why there wasn't votings for de.wikipedia.org and de.wiktionary.org, ...???? I beg for setting up de.wikisource.org or making the www.wikisource.org -User-Interface (Menus, Discussion) only in German and then start a new voting!! Otherwise there is shown another time the american ignorance on other languages. --80.128.40.37 17:23, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Jamesday, Dovi, Maoi, Phil Boswell and CdaMVvWgS all voted in favour of splitting, and they all speak English. Yann, Shin-改, Khzr, Shizhao, Suisui and Christian S all contribute either very rarely to the English projects, or not at all, and they all voted in favour of staying together. So I fail to see how this is an English versus non-English thing. -- Tim Starling 00:08, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * Na und, was sagt das? Wenn das Interface und die Diskussionen in Deutsch ablaufen würden, dann wären es vielleicht 20 für den Split und nur wenige dagegen. Ihr schließt ja die nicht englischsprachigen schon von vornherein aus. Frag erst mal Chinesen, Franzosen oder Russen, die kein Englisch können? Wieviel Editoren dieser Art gibt es denn in Wikisource? Ich schätze, keinen einzigen.

 * Oh come on, you're claiming that just because I can only speak English, I'm excluding the non-English speaking people? The proposal was translated into German, and the vote itself was translated into German, French, Japanese and Dutch. There was some discussion in German, conducted between the 25th and 27th of October. It was the responsibility of bilingual people like yourself to translate the discussion. I don't have translators on staff. Of course, you can also use a machine translator, like I'm doing now. -- Tim Starling 00:00, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

 * If you can't read the text above it's your problem. It's same problem for non-englisch-speaking people in Wikisource. That's what I mean with english-speaking ignorance. You don't want recognize, that there are many people (for example in de.wikipedia.org) which can't talk in English or even read English. How many editors you think are in wikisource, who can't even read Englisch: exact none!! So they couldn't vote! And even, if they vote (because one of us sent them the link), they wasn't counted by you, because they didn't make a distribution. Sorry, that's not the way, I understand wikimedia: as an open and free for all system. --80.128.41.213 17:17, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * You have to argue on their behalf, it's your job to convince the regulars on Wikisource that there are a significant number of non-English-speaking people who are put off by the English interface. As someone who has contributed to a number of discussions on non-English wikis, I fail to see how a non-English interface is that much of a problem. After all, the wikisource main page is language-neutral, allowing non-English speakers to easily get their bearings. I didn't lay down any rules preventing discussion in other languages. If the anonymous people who voted gave their names and explained that they wished to contribute to Wikisource only if the interface was in their language, then perhaps it would have been a different story. But without an explanation, I could only apply the standard voting rules. There's no reason democracy can't enforce the rights of people who can't vote, it just requires sympathy. -- Tim Starling 00:00, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon Wikipedia
Hey Tim...I've put a languageang.php file up, and the wiki wouldn't require any interface customizations. I'm now able to contribute to the wiki more now that I've completed moving.

[User:JamesR1701E]

 * I said on the list "I'll happily create any wiki if the potential contributors agree in advance to use a language file which is already mature." I'm not going to install a new language file for Anglo Saxon. I'll add ang to the language list though. -- Tim Starling 08:13, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

How to install EasyTimeline in an own MediaWiki project?
Hello Tim!

Erik Zachte referred to your person, since you know much more about the MediaWiki setup:

I am running my own MediaWiki project (inspired by the Wikipedia) and I like the graphs, generated by Erik's tool "Easy Timeline" very much. I would like to have it included into my wiki, too (like in Wikipedia), but I can't find any documentations about it. I've looked at SourceForge and found the content of the folder wikipedia/extensions/timeline. Since I am not the "expert admin" (I am happy when I can install/modify some scripts at my website without errors *g*) I have some - I think easy (for you) - questions:

 * 1) If I want to use EasyTimeline in my wiki project I have to upload the extensions/timeline-folder?
 * 2) Do the scripts need special rights by using chmod (p.e. "chmod 755 EasyTimeline.pl").
 * 3) As far as I understood the source code the tool "ploticus" must be installed locally at the server (like per example Perl has to be installed on a server). Am I right? (because if this is true I will have to contact my administrator, since I don't have the "pure" control of the server)

Perhaps you can answer here or on my German talk page...

Yours, --Erlando 18:23, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * You need to move the timeline directory into the extension directory of your wiki, and then load it by including the file from your LocalSettings.php, e.g.

 * require_once("$IP/extensions/timeline/Timeline.php");

 * You don't need to set the execute bit on anything. Ploticus must be installed, you can set the location of the binary by putting a line like this after the require_once:

 * $wgTimelineSettings->ploticusCommand = "/usr/local/bin/pl";

 * Tell me if you have any problems -- Tim Starling 07:54, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * Okay, thanks... I will ask my admin to get ploticus installed on the server... and then I'll see. ;) --Erlando 17:36, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Problems with irritating logout and monobook-skin
Hi Tim, several users of the german Wikipedia have problems with irritating logout and monobook-skin. Instead of the fact that we´re all log-in, after a few minutes, especially in the moment, when we´ve been editing some article or jumping to annother item, the wikipedia smashes us out of "the race". So we also have to log in. (Special operative bullshit) A minor problem is that monobook-skin shows "kleinschreibung": for example "einstellungen" instead of "Einstellungen". We think that monobook is however very buggy. Do you have any solutions for this problems? Please look also on de:Wikipedia:Ich_brauche_Hilfe - de:Wikipedia:Ich_brauche_Hilfe. My own Browser is Mozilla 1.7 and works with DSL. Local Cookies are allowed... CU --Herrick

Stolen Username
Hi Tim, I've left a message at Non-development_tasks_for_developers for a developer but Angela told me it might just be quicker to message you directly. I'm not too fussed about losing the edits already at that username in meta, are you able to just email me the password for it so that I can take that username over? Cheers. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 19:59, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Suggestion I posted on the Village pump
There was a discussion about spelling and punctuation AE vs. BE etc.. on the village pump. I put forward the following suggestion. Tell me what you think.

This whole AE/BE preference problem is something that has probably got up the nose of very many Wikipedians over there years. I'm certainly one of them. I have a proposal for a relatively simple software solution that may be useful in other areas too. Some time ago we managed to kill off the debate about whether to use DD Month YYYY] or [[Month DD, YYYY by implementing a system whereby wikified dates appear in one or other format depending on what the user has selected in their preferences. This works great but it only works for wikified dates. My solution world also work for unwikified dates. If we had a BE/AE option in preferences we could then have the flag checked when an article is displayed. Problematic words or phrases could be tagged e.g. "... he came to her {[defense/defence]} as soon as he could and ..." - and the appropriate word could be chosen as required. Mintguy (T) 14:15, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I've copied this to Village pump (policy). If i'm wrong in thinking Tim knows that most people will consider this a policy question, and that plenty of them will consider it as terrible an idea as i, no doubt he'll say so. --Jerzy(t) 01:46, 2004 Oct 27 (UTC)

 * It was suggested on a mailing list that we could use Zhengzhu's SC <-> TC translation software to convert between British and American English, but I think most people who commented on it were opposed. -- Tim Starling 01:59, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

 * I posted this comment here, because I wanted to get Tim's views on the feasability. I was not suggesting the Tim just go ahead and implement it without it being put forward to the community. This software flag option could be used to display pages the way the reader wishes to view them for other differences aswell as AE/BE. Metric and Imperial or US units for example. Mintguy (T) 09:00, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

hi tim. Xtra 11:38, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Help!
Hi there, Tim. I know you're a developer, and you've helped me in the past, so I figured you were the best person to turn to. Special:Undelete/Wikipedia shows that I have deleted the page (which I do not believe I have), and it says "00:24, 30 Oct 2004 Frazzydee deleted "Minisink Middle School"...", which is obviously something that should be fixed. I asked Grunt to go to that page, and he got the same results, so it's definately not a caching problem on my end. Thanks! -Frazzydee|✍ 00:39, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * It no longer shows my name, but somebody else's. The problem is still there ("...Wile E. Heresiarch deleted "The Quartermaines"...". -Frazzydee|✍ 05:24, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Never mind...JamesDay has informed me that the delete/undelete code is going through a major rewrite, so it might get fixed. -Frazzydee|✍ 05:50, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Link table corruption?
Hi Tim. Has the link table corruption problem been fixed? Following the proposal at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day, Template:Pic of the day now uses. Is this going to cause any problems? Angela. 02:25, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Lost password
Hi, Tim!

My nickname is DIG. I am a contributor for some number of wiki-projects. Recently I've lost my password for FR wikipedia, and I am trying to recover it. I've tried to do it through "Creer un compte ou se connecter" without success: apparently, the address that I gave at the registration either not valid anymore, or I did not give any e-mail address at all. What kind of options do I have? I also have some contribution under the nickname DiG (at FR wikipedia), which I registered in a meantime. I do not mind to loose it, if I can recover my old nickname, but I would like to save some information. Thank you in advance, --DIG 08:20, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC) (I check more often my RU-account DIG (ru))

 * Thank you very much, Tim! It worked. --DIG 09:43, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Rampages and chunked history
The recent vandalism spree by some random p'tak have lost about three months of my talk history and a couple weeks or so from my user page. User and talk Tracing through all the redirects got me nowhere. Its not a big deal about my personal talk history, but Im more concerned that page moves be limited somehow. The sysop pool might be too small, but in anycase this problem has been known for a while, and Im sure youve thought long about how to deal with it. Gday -SV 23:37, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * We can restrict the move page function to users who have been around for a while, that's what we did with Wik. We switched it off after he left. If you want it on permanently, I suggest you argue your case with the rest of the community. I'd prefer to just make it easier to undo page moves, but such a feature hasn't been written yet. -- Tim Starling 07:39, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration elections
It has been suggested that it might be a good idea to use the Condorcet method for voting; would it be possible to modify the Special:Boardvote software for this, and if so, in the next week or so? Jimbo suggested that it could be linked in to use a GPL module or something...

Yours,

James F. (talk) 16:00, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, that should be possible. -- Tim Starling 07:30, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Test images
Do you still need these, or can I delete them? Image:Tstest.png and Image:Tstest2.png – Quadell (talk) (help)  21:08, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * Don't do it! They're the only thing that is keeping the wiki running! If you delete them, the wiki will implode, creating a black hole in Tampa, Florida. The entire Earth will be sucked into it! -- Tim Starling 23:37, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * Um, I see. Well. Looks like I'll be taking over the world then.   – Quadell (talk) (help)   01:05, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

TLA
What's 'silly' about describing AES, a TLA, as a TLA? Seems appropriate to me. In any case, I copied the usage from the TLA page PAL. -- Jpotherington, 18 Nov 2004

Template:Quantum computing
Why did you remove the underscores from the QC template? I inserted them to stop the phrase breaking across two lines, which it does on the screen resolution. that I use. Noisy | Talk 09:23, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
I was looking at the U.S. city and county articles and noticed that you've made some number of changes. I've chosen to multi-license all of the rambot contributions under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike License so that other projects, such as WikiTravel, can use our articles. I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all your contributions (or at minimum those on the geographic articles) so that we can keep most of the articles available under the multi-license. Many users use the   template (or even    for public domain) on their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I understand, but I thought I'd at least ask, just in case. If you do want to do it, simply just copy and paste one of the above two templates into your user page and it will allow us to track those users who have done it. For example:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. State article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain (which many people do or don't like to do, see Multi-licensing), you could replace   with

I've read the essay on your user page dealing with copyright and free software. You rarely release things into the public domain, but I have some questions about the User:Template namespace initialisation script. Did you write and run it? If so, would you consent to licensing its changes into the public domain or at least in the CC. It's had its hands in a wide swath of the U.S. city/county articles and so causes a widespread problem for dual-licensing. And the changes it made are relatively minor (I think). -- Ram-Man 14:09, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Trying to create an account on de:
Tim, I was trying to create an account on de: with my username, but got back the message that the user name "Lupo" was already taken. However, I cannot find any such user on de:. Just trying to log in without creating a new account tells me that the password was wrong. Could you please check whether there is indeed already such a user on de:, and if not, tell me what to do to be able to create that accout? Thank you. Lupo 10:03, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) (P.S.: Cookies are enabled. The only usernames using the string "Lupo" on de: that I can find are de:Benutzer:NeroLupo, de:Benutzer:LupoW, de:Benutzer:Bluelupo, and de:Benutzer:Lupo6. Lupo)

 * There's a Lupo, s/he just doesn't have any contributions. Note the contributions (benutzerbeiträge) link on de:Benutzer:Lupo, missing on de:Benutzer:Askjgshdge -- Tim Starling 10:45, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the answer. I had missed that. Lupo 11:21, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Re: email
Thanks for catching that, my email setup was a bit broken. I did get the email, and hopefully the reply I sent to you managed to get out OK. Shane King 06:22, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Sockpuppet check request
Would you run a check to see if User:Hilary_Duff, User:JGal2004 and User:Mike Garcia are editing from the same IP address? Is there somewhere else I should request this? Thanks. JesseW 13:33, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

voting software
Hi Tim,

I don't know how easy python and php are to interface, but Jeff O'Neill has coded a pretty good STV module in python:

http://stv.sourceforge.net

It handles the many different types of rules regarding transfers and generates quality output so people know exactly what's going on. It might be useful for using or emulating. Released GPL.

DanKeshet 22:40, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the tip Dan, that will make my life easier. -- Tim Starling 00:05, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

Interwiki link question
Hi Tim,

Would you happen to know how to form an image link to images which only appear in en.wikipedia and not in the Commons, within articles in other spaces?

I am trying to link to an image on Wikipedia from an article in the Wikinews space, and all my guesses at the prefix/suffix qualifier have been incorrect.

I went through the picture tutorial and it seemed focused on how to link to pictures in other spaces from within Wikipedia, but not the other way around.

(I can't use an external link as a workaround, because those appear to be disabled.)

I'll keep this page on my watch list in case it is more convenient for you to reply here.

Thanks.

--DV 13:31, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * You can't. You just have to copy the image to Commons.

(P.S.: Do you have a favorite PHP book that you can recommend? I write in C++ at my day job, and I'm finding the differences significant enough that I probably need a book or two to learn PHP efficiently.)

 * I just learnt using the manual. Experience with Perl helped. Make sure you learn the behaviour of the == operator and conversion to boolean by rote, that's what I found most difficult. There's lots of books around, but I can't vouch for any of them. -- Tim Starling 00:05, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for those tips.

 * I hope that everyone at this site appreciates the value of the contributions of you and the other developers.

 * Although I appreciate the online docs, I prefer paper documentation, so I decided to pick up the 2nd Edition of the O'Reilly book, "Web Database Applications with PHP and MySQL", which covers PHP 5 and MySQL 4.1 (the Platypus book). While I was in the bookstore, I noticed O'Reilly also had books on Apache 2 and Cascading Style Sheets 2 and 2.1, (the White Horse and Fish books), so I picked up those as well.

 * I've been writing C/C++ for just over twenty years, and it's time for me to learn something new. Seems like it might be a good idea to get up to speed on developing software for this internet thing, as it appears that it's not going to be a passing fad after all. :)

 * Thanks again for your kind assistance. I hope more users see fit to contribute to your "food on the table" fund.

 * --DV 15:11, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Nauruan Interwiki link name
Hi Tim,

maybe you know the Nauruan language or the Nauruan Wikipedia. There used to be false interwiki link names for it. For example, "Nauruose" was a false name for the word "Nauruan" in Nauruan language. Currently, there's another false name for it, "Nauri". But since I've got a very rare grammar about the Nauruan language, I know now the real and only correct name. It is "Ekakair~u Naoero". If it's possible, could you please change the false name "Nauri" to the correct name "Ekakair~u Naoero" ?? Thank you very much for your help. Best wishes -- CdaMVvWgS 16:43, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * PS It seems that English Wikipedia can't read the letter U with a tilde (N with tilde = ñ) because it declares it as a "bad title". The German Wikipedia doesn't do so. Please check out the last letter in this template. Thank you and best wishes -- CdaMVvWgS 16:43, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * OK I'll change it. You can't have ũ in titles on en because it's ISO 8859-1. However you can have it in text using the character entity &#361;. Most browsers will convert to a character entity if you type the character itself. -- Tim Starling 00:05, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you very for your assistance. Now it's definitely correct :D I'll be back soon with a logo to be installed in the Nauruan Wikipedia. Greetings -- CdaMVvWgS 19:00, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Inorganic chemical substances
Tim,

I am a chem professor working in the USA, I recently started making contributions to Wikipedia, such as cerium(III) chloride. I'm interested in sorting out a system for chemical substances, and inorganics seem like a good starting point (even though I'm an organic chemist, I use a lot of inorganics). I like your template for these, at User:Tim_Starling/Inorganic_compound_project and I'd like to work with you & others on refining it if possible. I notice that someone has used this or a similar template over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals under the Format/Expand section, I suspect this has been borrowed from you. Can we recruit you for this project? I'm very much a newbie, so I recognise that I have a lot to learn.

Thanks, Walkerma 22:32, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

portals voor NL en BE
Hallo,

I've tried to copy the portal at http://www.wikipedia.ch for NL and BE. I had to learn about css and JavaScript in the process, but I think the versions at http://members.home.nl/p.h.vd.muijzenberg/wikipedia/portal all work now. I've tried to make the pages as general as possible, so they could easily be adapted for another country. One thing though: I had to use http://portal.wikipedia.be for a URL that pointed to Wikipedia portal with all the languages. Whom do I contact to ask for an international solution for that - a http://wikipedia.wikimedia.org or similar? nl:gebruiker:Mysha 13:42, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

More election issues
When you have a moment, would you be able to take a look at Special:ArbComVote/list? My impression from scanning it is that I see a suspiciously large number of voters who have had accounts for somewhat over 90 days but have accumulated very few edits (for simplicity's sake, I'm inclined to focus on those with fewer than 100 edits). Unfortunately, since the current voter list appears to have replaced the list from the last election, I'm unable to determine how this compares to last time.

A few of these I can recognize as people who mostly contribute on some other language, which is fine. Nor do I have a problem with less-active editors voting, but I don't think all of these fall into that category. I could put a name to these suspicions, but that might be a little premature. However, since you have more technical capability to investigate this, I wanted to find out what your take is on the situation. --Michael Snow 00:18, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Socketpuppets
Hi Tim, I e-mailed you recently with a query about sockpuppets, but didn't hear back from you, so I was wondering whether you received it. If not, is there an e-mail address I can reach you on? Many thanks, Slim 09:24, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Can you do a sock check on user "Cribcage"? Contribs show (practically) nothing but votes, for a very long time. -- Netoholic @ 22:58, 2004 Dec 9 (UTC)

 * You can see on Special:ArbComVote/list that Cribcage's vote is already crossed out. Danny and I already noticed it. The voting software has a kind of sock puppet checking built-in. -- Tim Starling 23:05, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Sock puppets
Hi, could you possibly take a look at this and see whether you think these are sock puppets? If so, could you consider banning them for vandalism (and the use of sock puppets), so that, by use of the autoblocking, it becomes possible to work out who they really are?

(note the phrase "cheesecake"), (warning - this is an extremely large (but rather repetative) edit of over 1MB in length - some browsers, and computers, may have significant problems viewing it)
 * John johnson (IP), John johnson (2nd IP) contributions for 1st IP contributions for 2nd IP (only contributions are against me)
 * User:148.136.141.172 contributions harrassment
 * User:Baffinisland contributions harrassment (note the similarilty to the first at the previous IP address user)
 * Nasse/Piglet contributions harrassment, , , (note the phrase "cheesycake")
 * Lady Tara contributions harrassment, , ,

CheeseDreams 15:49, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Question about IP addresses
Hi, Tim. I'm Tom Haws, User:Hawstom. I have a question and possibly a request. You did a check for Cyrius on User:Jimmyvanthach and User:Tran Van Ba. You reported that both had used IP address 192.108.235.6. Question: I have reason to doubt that the "Jimmy Van Thach" ever used the User:Tran Van Ba account. Is this 192.108.235.6 IP address one of those that shows up on a lot of people? This Tran Van Ba is located in Columbus, Georgia. "Jimmy Van Thach" says, "I know I use Aol server and I am aware that Chancellor Tran Van Ba, also uses Aol." Is this, from your technical understanding, a plausible explanation? If necessary, perhaps you could do a user and server report on IP address 192.108.235.6. Thank you for your trouble. Tom - Talk 18:00, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Whiter than White?
If an active arbitrator admitted that they are a right wing POV warrier who has, in real life, even acted in such a way as to have been suspended from practicing law, are they fit to continue in their post and meet out judgements on others.

Current surveys/FrBaArbQuality

Wikimeet
Is that Sydney Wikimeet idea still going ahead? I haven't really heard much about it... CXI 18:33, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Technical problem
Something wierd is going on with the "edit"-this-section link at -It seems to be half way through the text.

Christian art

CheeseDreams

Anti-Semitic sockpuppet
Tim, there's what seems to be a sockpuppet operating as user:Wiesenthaler and user:Goldberg, who appears to be making anti-Semitic remarks in several articles and is deleting properly referenced material from pages (e.g. Yasser Arafat. See Wiesenthaler's edits here. Can you or another admin help with this? Slim 04:52, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Disable escaped characters in user names?
Hi Tim,

It seems that one or more individuals are trying to act as an imposter of various user accounts by creating a like-named account with an escaped character tacked onto the end. (<-- You may have to look back into the logs if this page is deleted by the time you read this.)

I noticed that the tool tip that is generated when passing the mouse over these names, as well as the destination URL that shows in the status bar, gives no indication that anything is amiss, and you wouldn't know that it was an imposter unless you clicked the link and read the URL once you arrived at the user's page.

If the account appears to be hijacked, an admin who was not diligent enough to check the URL, by first clicking on it, could inadvertently block the wrong person.

I am wondering whether you would endorse changing the Wiki software to disable the use of such invisible characters in user names?

If you think this warrants immediate attention, great. However, if you rather build more consensus for such a change, would a software poll help?

— DV 09:52, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

commons
Hello Tim, could you please add licence tags to all your images from the 21C3 which you´ve stored in the commons? Thanx --Bdk 19:20, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews question
Hi Tim,

I left a message on your Wikinews user talk page. Regards, — DV 03:47, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New name for Tom
I apologize for failing to log in to do my little friendly take-over of the User:Tom pages. It is an experiment that I finally decided on after months of consideration. The User:Tom account is old and has zero contributions. In fact, I am not sure I didn't create it myself. Tom @ 07:13, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * That account was created in roughly March 2002, did you know about Wikipedia back then? -- Tim Starling 07:17, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

I doubt I would have created the account back then. Like I said above, I can't be sure, but I have always assumed it was more likely somebody else created it. Of course you, the IP address man, probably know better than I. If it's going to be generally unpalatable to others that I take-over the pages of the anciently inactive (actually apparently never used) account, which is what I was trying to do, I understand. At the same time, if there is any way you can figure out for me to do something more palatable, whether that would be to take over the account entirely or something else, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Tom Talk 15:24, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

Change of Username
Hi Tim, I noticed that you used to be in charge of changing usernames on Changing username. Since October 2004 no names have been changed. Maybe you could have a look at the growing list of unchanged usernames, or else recommend someone to me who could do the job? Thanks in advance! --Hippalus 09:08, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I started the page, but the workload got too much for me and I stopped doing it. Various other people have had a go at it from time to time, but nobody is doing it at the moment, as you have noted. -- Tim Starling 12:22, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the fast answer! I guess I'll just have to wait 'till someone else feels like taking up the job? Or is there a way to change my username myself? I already moved the page User:Pauldavidgill to User:Hippalus, but I would like to have the edits I made mentioned as User:Hippalus as well. -- Hippalus 16:15, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

Spyware Spam
Hi Tim. I replied to your post at chongqed. I had never heard of that before but will investigate it. -- JoeChongq 04:03, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

LanguageRu.php
Hi ;). You wrote about problems in LanguageRu.php (see meta:Talk:LanguageRu.php). They have been corrected. LanguageRu.php has been greatly updated. Now file is based on Language.php 1.411 and LanguageDe.php 1.98 (I tested it on 1.4beta4 revison). Also translation of some namespaces (talk pages) is changed!!! Re-import the messages to MediaWiki namespace is necessary (because of hard-coded namespace used in it). You can contact me at ru:user_talk:.:Ajvol:. or you can contact our bureaucrat at ru:user_talk:Maximaximax. --.:Ajvol:. 16:44, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
Are you able to merge the accounts (i.e. the contribution history) User:Cheesedreams, User:Cheese dreams, and User:Cheese Dreams, into User:CheeseDreams ?

CheeseDreams 03:00, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
My userpage was vandalized by User:Espirit10. Can you check whose sockpuppet that is? OneGuy 14:31, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom sock check request
When you have time, could you check the user accounts at Requests_for_arbitration/168.209.97.34/Evidence for sock puppets? --mav 18:47, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You're banned!
Hey Tim!

As far as I'm concerned, you're banned! What I mean is: get your PhD back on track. I've been there, I know what you're saying. I won't try to convince you to come back, because I know you will anyway. :-) But come back on your own terms after you get things straightened out with your school/work stuff, and if you'd like, we'll kick you from IRC after a few hours each day. :-)

Now, if only someone would ban me. :-)

--Jimbo Wales 01:50, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Now, if you're reading this, go away! Go study and stop reading your @#%#^% ta;k page! ;) Neutralitytalk

You're a great fellow, Tim, and I'm sorry to see that right choice for your life right now means at least a temporary loss for this community. I wish you well on the Ph.D. work, and while I would never dream of begging you to come back after you made it so clear you wouldn't stand for it, I will say that it will be a happy day for me when I see you hanging around here again, even if it's only occasionally. Best of luck to you with your career! Jwrosenzweig 18:28, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

But before you go... can you upload the new Wikinews logo?
We think you may have uploaded the old logo, can you upload our new one? Ta Dan100 09:17, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

LanguageJbo.php
Could you install LanguageJbo.php on jbo:? It's been missing its language file since the software was upgraded, and images, categories, and templates are broken. -phma 00:43, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC) aka pier

Wikipediyaa ci Wolof - Wikipedia in wolof
Hello Tim,

I’m writing you from Dakar, Senegal (West Africa). We have initiated the integration of some African languages to the Internet...

Could you help us ? We need to install the logo for the Wikipedia in wolof (a national language of Senegal and the Gambia). http://wo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

We have chosen the following name : Wikipediyaa (with respect to wolof phonetics) With the subtitle: Booloo-bokk géeju xam-xam (where 'géeju' means 'ocean', and with 'xam xam' denotes an 'ocean of knowledge'...) If the title is too long feel free to separate it into two lines, dividing after 'booloo-bokk'.

Thanks a lot !

Yannick Duchesne

Sock Puppets and Cliques
Hi, I'm just trying to figure if there is any way to identify sock puppets. The assumption seems to be that puppets only do small numbers of edits.

Last Apr/May while Wik & John_Kenney where edit warring the West Papua articles to dumb down Melanesians in the articles; I found where John was instructing Wik on how to prevent Tannin or myself from editing the pages. Upon checking their Wikipedia activity at the time I got the impression they were both pro-Palestine in Israel articles, and pro-Indonesian government in West Papua articles - or in other terms anti-jewish and & anti-Melanesian (black). It looked to me that they had formed a very small clique to enforce their POV though John was intelligent enough to be careful how he did this, but he did also jump to Wik's defence.

A few weeks ago upon my return to the West Papua page, John starts reverting again, then Gzornenplatz waged in just like Wik use to. Later, when John was lossing ground in the discussion page & Jmarbel was not accepting his POV, suddenly this OneGuy jumped in to break up that discussion and get it back under John's control.

To me OneGuy sounded like John when he's upset, then I checked their contribution lists and it looked more like someone who sometimes switched between two accounts. For a new user, OneGuy seems very active just like John was last year. So is OneGuy John's sock puppet? And dare one mention it?

John's activity last year was typically 1600 edits/ month (1100 to 2400); it will be interesting to see if John & OneGuy can both maintain their levels at the same time. But how can one show proof of a sock puppet if the puppeteer is intelligent ?--Daeron 04:49, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

BTW: I notice OneGuy is defending Gzornenplatz, just like John use to defend Wik. But how to know who is who ?--Daeron 04:49, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I've listed some problems with John at AMA Requests for Assistance, but what do you think is the better Wikipedia title? Papua (Indonesian province) or Papua Province, Indonesia

Võro Wikipedia
Hi Tim!

I asked for creation of the Võro Wikipedia last month in foundation-l and in [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#V.C3.B5ro_Wikipedia. request page]. Angela forwarded it also to the Wikipedia-l.

It was proposed in the discussion that the code for Võro Wikipedia could be for the first time fiu-vro or fiu-voro. There was no objections against creating.

Mark Williamson (in Wikipedia-l Feb 13) suggested to ask you or Brion to create it. I asked Brion on his talk page and in bugzilla request to do it but no reaction was followed.

I hope you can do it. If there is something I must do before, please say me. Text on the Võro Wikipedia logo could be:

"Vikipeediä"

"Vaba entsüklopeediä"

Regards Sulev --Võrolang 13:39, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from One Salient Oversight
Thanks for removing the history of my personal details from that weirdo. I owe you one. See my talk page for the reasons why I don't think he tracked me down via the White Pages. --One Salient Oversight 21:17, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Banyumasan Wikipedia
Hi Tim, Banyumasan Wikipedia has been approved probably two months ago, I do not know what next I should do but a user said that it's ready to online and ask a developer to developed it. Some said it's a very large Test-Wiki, I hope it wouldn't bother you.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages#Banyumasan_.288.29

Thanks Tim, Slamet Serayu 07:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

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