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Talk:Pot Noodle

Sausage Roll flavour?
The current page lists "Sausage Roll" amongst the discontinued flavours. I've never heard of this, though, and the only reference I can find is one Ciao.co.uk review. Is it a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.106.125 (talk) 11:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

 * It is a joke. I've removed it (and some of the other joke flavours) :-) ThanksForLettingAllUsernamesBeTaken (talk) 11:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Pot Noodle Company?
As I understand it, Pot Noodle is made by Unilever. However the article refers to the Pot Noodle Company. What is the realtion between these companies? (I believe the packaging says something like "Pot Noodle is a registered trademark of the Pot Noodle Company and Bestfoods UK (Part of Unilever)". Any ideas?

In reply, my scrumtious Pot Noodle chicken and mushroom says:

Pot [WTF!?], Pot Noodle and The Pot Noodle Snack Company are trademarks. Unilever Bestfood UK, Brooke House, Crawley, RH10 9RQ UK.

Why don't u make Curry poyt rice no moe x Tillymeggitt1973 (talk) 10:16, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Expansion
This article is coming along nicely. Do you think we should push for it to become the Featured Article (of course needs more expansion) ? In the next couple of days i'll be adding lots more content and i hope other can too --Benbread 13:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I've done an expansion of the varieties section to include information of each type of noodle (standard, king pot, etc) - It's a little messy so if anyone can clean it i'd appreciate it :) --Benbread 14:08, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Pots of the World?
I see no mention of the short lived Pots of the World editions. I can't remember enough about them to contribute but I remember the delicious szechaun chicken flavour!

Hot Chicken Curry?
Its been a long time since I've seen the Hot Chicken Curry flavour in the shops, any idea if it still exists? --U4dandy 14:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

— Yeah, my favorite flavor back when it was around. I have not seen it availbe for for many years... so sad ;_; --Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.196.137 (talk) 12:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Public Acceptance
Where is the obligatory [citation needed] tag for the claim that is has become any sort of favourite?

Similarly, the 44.6% statistic is lifted directly from Unilever's own site, and is analogous to original research.

The overall tone of the article is commercial --Princess Tiswas 12:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Tagged for cleanup to remove overtly commercial tone --Princess Tiswas 17:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

And here I am, to attempt just that.

Resonanteye 22:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've done as much as I can for the moment. I will check back in a day or two and if there are no cited sources for the lists of ads and their notability, or the popular culture and "social stigma of pot noodle" then I will hack those out. If anyone has sources,please cite them. I hope this edit helps it along a bit. I lived on Ramen (the US equivalent) for quite a few years during my apprenticeship, and I now absolutely can't even smell the stuff without feeling sick. Resonanteye 23:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Stay Hungry!
I am correcting this part, as the "original" ad was in fact first shown in January 1993, I do remember the media controversy surrounding it which led to it being withdrawn. Willirennen 19.00, 9 December 2006 (utc)

Nothing like a Nissin Cup Noodle
Is it really accurate to say that Pot Noodle is a brand of "cup noodles (ramen-style snack)"?

A Nissin Cup Noodle (or similar), from what I've seen of them, is a sort of noodle soup, where the noodles are swimming around in liquid; you evidently have to eat the noodles with a fork then drink the rest. A Pot Noodle, on the other hand, is semi-solid in consistency, and can be eaten entirely using a fork with no liquid left over. The flavourings and noodle types are also very different.

A Pot Noodle looks absolutely nothing like what is shown on the ramen page, whereas a Cup Noodle does.

The only things these snacks really have in common is that (a) they contain noodles and (b) they are prepared by pouring boiling water over them. 217.155.20.163 21:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I second that. In other countries such as the US it's hard to find anything like a pot noodle, cup noodles typically tend to be noodles in a watery soup. This was reflected in a news.bbc.co.uk article a while ago talking about home sick British ex-pats buying flown in pot noodle. 80.195.28.120 00:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Agree. Pot noodles are a category unto themselves texture wise.  They are in fact, completely disgusting and nothing like decent ramen.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.209.189 (talk) 20:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

UK Market Entry
Not Crumlin - it was Croespenmaen (near Crumlin) - and the UK tailoring was conducted by Crown Noodle Co. in Croespenmaen (then run by Bombay Emporium). Crown Noodle had been making packet noodles for some time prior to their involvement with Pot Noodles. Source: my wife - she was the Quality Controller at Crown Noodle then and now lives in secret in Thame in Lord Williams' School.

Scares and Recalls?
Is it worth mentioning that Pot Noodle (albeit only one flavour) was involved in the Sudan I scare, and also there was a recall due to faulty packaging in 2003?

What about a mention of when a shipment was refused entry into france (Beef and Tomatoe Falvour) due to foot and mouth fears, when there is no beef in a Pot noodle? might fall under trivia but if we're going to have a scares and recall section...

Needed Improvements
I've gone over the article a bit with some additions, including a variations section. Here's what i think needs doing to improve the article further, if anyone has time:

 * references for flavours/variations (the info i got was just from other articles)
 * dates of introduction/discontinuation for the different flavours
 * information on their marketing campaigns - Not Poodle, the horn, fuel of Britain
 * info on the recent reduction in fat and salt
 * changing from lists to being more prose

81.137.203.168 (talk) 14:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Also the statement that 'all varieties contain Monosodium Glutamate in the ingredients list' is plainly wrong - just look at the ingredients next time you're in the supermarket. (some do, sure, but not all). joemattinson, 17:21 UTC January 15th 2009

Different Picture?
Perhaps a picture of an original variety, not of the hot noodle? Maybe more appropriate? --Coqueáujizz (talk) 23:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, personally I feel the chicken and mushroom Pot Noodle sums up the whole brand, but anyway I wouldn't know where/how to get a pic, I hate that flavour! :P londonsista  | Prod  20:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

TV appearances?
red dwarf series 5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.219.252 (talk) 11:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

safety / cancer / etc
I reached this article because I wondered if it is really safe to put hot water in a plastic cup. Will harmful chemicals leach into the water? Has there been any study on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.193.60 (talk) 17:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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pot riCe
Why do u nt make. Ot rice no. Moe? Vv Tillymeggitt1973 (talk) 10:14, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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Hengshui

Hengshui is a prefecture-level city in southern Hebei province, People's Republic of China, bordering Shandong to the southeast. As of the 2020 census its population was 4,212,933 inhabitants whom 805,000 lived in the built-up (or metro) area made of Taocheng urban district. It is on the Beijing–Kowloon railway.

Education
Hengshui High School and Hengshui University are located in Hengshui.

Sights
The Harrison International Peace Hospital is located in Hengshui. This comprehensive teaching and research hospital was named after Dr. Tillson Harrison, a martyr to the Chinese revolution. Dr. Harrison, a Canadian, died in 1947 while transporting medical equipment and supplies. Some of this equipment is on display in an exhibition room in the hospital. The hospital uses both traditional Chinese medicine and modern western diagnostic and therapeutic technology.

The city is renowned as the centre for inside painting, mainly of small snuff bottles. Zhang Rucai was born in Hebei Province and since 1972, he started to learn the art of inside painting. In April 1996, he was conferred the title Master of Chinese Folk Arts & Crafts by UNESCO. The city has a fascinating museum and exhibition of the art of the inside painter - many complex paintings done on the inside of small snuff bottles as well as special larger pieces of glassware.

There is a Buddhist Temple on the outskirts of the city which is well worth a visit, as is the bridge in the old part of the city - one of the few remnants of the old town.

Geography and climate
Hengshui has a cold semi-arid climate (Köppen: BSk), with hot, humid summers due to the East Asian Monsoon and brief, though very cold and dry winters, owing to the prevailing dry north-westerly winds that reflect the influence of the vast Siberian anticyclone.

Precipitation totals 496.9 mm annually with more than three quarters falling during the summer half. Extreme temperatures range from -20.6°C to 42.8°C for the 1981-2010 period. Relative humidity is highest in the summer and lowest in the spring, preceding the monsoonal period. Due to the very dry winter conditions, snowfall is not common, though occurs almost every year, usually in small amounts.

Air pollution
According to a survey made by "Global voices China" in February 2013, 7 cities in Hebei including Xingtai, Shijiazhuang, Baoding, Handan, Langfang, Hengshui and Tangshan, are among China's 10 most polluted cities.

Religion
Hengshui is the seat of the Catholic Diocese of Hengshui.

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 03:30, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Armion
NN, vanity, neologism, hoax. It's all there. Rl 20:11, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Crap. Dsmdgold 02:08, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

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Oscar Werwath

Oscar Werwath (1880 – March 20, 1948 ) was the founder and first president of the Milwaukee School of Engineering in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States. He is buried at Forest Home Cemetery.

Born in Stallupönen, Germany on May 3, 1880, Werwath was the son of department store owner Carl and his wife, Johanna. When he was 23, shortly after finishing his degree from Darmstadt University, he emigrated to Wisconsin. Knowing the strong German-American reputation and industrial center of Milwaukee, he decided to settle there, becoming employed at the Louis Allis Co. shortly after. Seeing that skilled engineering in Milwaukee was in great demand, Werwath conceptualized a local school that could accommodate the needed work force. Approaching the president of Rheude's Business School, Werwath was given permission to establish a series of night classes for young men in practical electricity. Shortly after the courses began, enrollment grew to be too large for the business school. Still working for the Louis Allis Co. in 1905, Werwath was encouraged to open an engineering school and Allis donated $500 toward the "School of Engineering". "Milwaukee" was added to the school's name in 1932. Oscar was president of the school until his death in 1948.

Personal life
In 1908 Oscar and Johanna married and resettled in Milwaukee. The Werwaths had four children; Karl (1909-1979), Greta (1910-2003), Hannah (1913-1984), and Heinz (1916-1987), all of whom worked at the Milwaukee School of Engineering at some point in their life. Karl, Oscar's oldest son, was a graduate of his father's school in 1936 and became president one month after his father's death in 1948 until 1977.

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Talk:Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney

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Say something about Frederick J. Pohl identifying Sinclair as Glooscap in Prince Henry Sinclair Kwantus 20:12, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

1st Earl of Orkney?
Besides being just wrong, it's not usual to style Norwegian nobles that way Fornadan (t) 14:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

- Indeed, this system is nonsensical in any case. Calgacus 03:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

-The system of numbering is British (Scottish in this case). The number’s follow the direct line of family inheritance from being granted (by the King). So that the fist Sinclair to hold Orkney is the 1st Earl and the last Sinclair is the 3rd Earl. When the Earldom was re-created and given to another family the numbers started from one again. The system makes sense to me :-)

It’s not the correct style for Norwegian Nobles. The Sinclair’s being a Scottish family, albeit vassals of Norway adopted the Scottish system….or at least they did latter on.

The family numbering system is later invention of British Heralds and is not (as far as I am aware) “official”.

Jalipa

Merge with La Merika
There is a great overlap of material between this article and La Merika. I suggest a merge here. Blueboar 22:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Disagree. Henry of Orkney was a historical person whose life & actions frankly are not very well covered by this article. It concentrates on an unproved theory that the Zeno brother’s writings (which are also suspect) are referring to him.

 * These writings are quite possibly forgeries. Also it is just theory that their “Prince Zichmni” is Henry Sinclair. (A theory based on a possible forgery!?)

 * However, I think there is a case for merging the “Zichmni” article with “La Merika” article. Naturally, there should be mention & a link on this page.

 * What this article really needs is more verifiable historical information on Henry Sinclair, his clan and tenure as Earl of Orkney rather than Dan Brownesque fantasy. Jalipa 23:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, I would not support a merger of these two articles. My preference would be to restrict this article to largely factual information about Henry, and simply direct readers to the La Merika article with a link and passing reference if they want to read about that theory.--Caliga10 12:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Caliga10, just to clarify ... what you discribe is not a merge. In a merge, one article is folded into another.  Some of the material from one article (in this case La Merika) is cut and pasted into another (ie this article) and the first article would be deleted with a redirect to the second.
 * Jalipa, I fully agree... however, most of the links to this article in other articles are in reference to the "Sinclair voyaged to America" stuff. That is what makes him notable rather than just another long dead Scottish nobleman. I agree that the voyage theory is absolute clap trap, but it does need to be discussed - if only to disprove it.  By the way, if the merge does not happen, there is some good refutation info at the La Merika article that could be included here. Blueboar 13:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know I'm not describing a merge. I'm describing what I would like to see happen, which isn't a merge. :)--Caliga10 13:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I have merged, as per the above discussion. I am not completely happy with the way I linked the two articles... but it is a start. Blueboar 20:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh, Jesus H. Christ, Blue. You just couldn't wait for me to get my copy of Hiram Key, could you?  Well I've got it back, now.  And I was right, you were wrong: MULTIPLE mentions of "La MeriCa."  The most notable is just around an illustration of the templar knight rock:

 * "We cannot be sure from the surviving evidence, but stories persist of Templar ships going to Scotland and to Portugal. The fleet could have visited both refuges in turn, but it seems more probable to us that they divided as soon as they left port, with one section headed towards Scotland and the remainder sailing to the northern tip of friendly Portugal to stock up with provisions.  From there, they set out on a voyage that had often been discussed but, due to commitments in the Holy Land, had never been undertaken.  They pointed their bows exactly due west and set sail on what is now the fourty-second parallel in search of the land marked by the star they knew from the Nasorean scrolls was called Merica, which these French knights referred to as 'la Merica', a name that later became simply America.  They almost certainly landed in the Cape Cod or Rhode Island area of New England in the early weeks of 1308, setting foot on the New World nearly a century and a half before Christopher Columbus was even born."
 * _The Hiram Key_, Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, p. 288.

 * ''"Before leaving the subject of the first European landings in the New World, we would like to explain why it became our firm conviction that the continent of America took its name, not from the 'also-ran' explorer Amerigo Vespucci, but from the star of the west called Merika, which the Nasoreans believed was the marker of a perfect land across the ocean of the setting sun. Not only did we have the evidence of the true source of the name; we found that the old explanation is easy to disprove.
 * ''The standard historical line that is routinely trotted out for the origin of the name of the New World, comes entirely from a silly misunderstanding by an obscure clergyman who never ventured more than a few miles from the monastsery of St. Deodatus in the Vosges Mountains in the Duchy of Lorraine on the French/German border. This very enthusiastic priest had a passion for geography and for deeply meaningful names.  He gave himself the highly imaginative psuedonym of "Hylacomylus', from the Greek word for 'wood', the Latin for 'lake' and the Greek for 'mill', which was eventually translated back to his native German to create the family name of Waldseemüller. This slightly eccentric man led a small team who had access to a printing press and they gathered what information they could about the world including the inspiring discoveries of the great and mysterious continent across the western ocean.  The little group produced and printed a 103-page volume in April 1507 that they called Cosmographiae Introductio.  It covered the traditional principles of cosmography, including the divisions of the planet, distances between key locations and details of winds and climates, but it was also the source of a mistake that would make anamateur navigator famous for all time.  Waldseemüller had found a number of references by various sailors to a general landmass of the great continent to the west, describing it as 'America', and he also found a glowing account of the travels of an Italian explorer by the name of Amerigo Vespucci.  He erroneously married the two pieces of unconnected information and wrote:

 *  'Now these parts of the Earth (Europe, Africa, Asia) have been more extensively explored and a fourth part has been discovered by Amerigo Vespucci (as will be described in what follows). Insomuch as both Europe and Asia received their names from women, I see no reason why reason why anyone should justly object to calling this part Amerige (from the Greek "ge" meaning "land of"), i.e. the land of Amerigo, or America, after Amerigo, its discoverer, a man of great ability.'"
 * _The Hiram Key_, Knight and Lomas, p. 290-291

 * The chapter goes on to describe how, once printed, there was no taking it back, and so the explaination stuck. Anyway, how is it again that you claim that the La Merica topic was never discussed in Hiram Key? As you may have noticed, it is spelled both ways, at least once with a "C" and at least once with a "K."  So even if my previous guess that you were searching an E-Text was right, you still should have caught it.  You've clearly been trying to derail the La Merica page since you found it; going from a failed deletion request, to telling me that Knight/Lomas's book never mentions it (again, falsely), and now you're merging it despite my requests to just wait and I would fix it once I had the resources.

 * So here's my idea: Now that I've done the hard work for you to prove that the theory is based on a real publication (like you asked), could you PLEASE put this on its own page? You clearly know much more about Wikipedia than I do, and I clearly know more about the La Merica theory than you do.  Can we work together and do something more people would be happy with?  If you want to relate these two articles, sure.  I can see a basis for that.  But they're clearly not the same topic.  (it'd be like redirecting the Revolutionary War to George Washington.  Sure, he had a leadership role, but that's not the issue.)

 * Though, since you seem interested in the connection, (and in the interest of full disclosure) there's another excerpt from The Hiram Key:

 * "[The Reverend Janet Dyer] continued her helpful commentary by referring to the documented evidence that Prince Henry Sinclair, the first St Clair Jarl (Earl) of the Orkneys had, thanks to Templar money, commissioned a fleet of twelve ships for a voyage to the 'New World'. The fleet under Antonio Zeno landed in Nova Scotia and explored the eastern seaboard of what is now the United States of America prior to 1400.  The date is certain because Henry Sinclair was murdered upon his return in that year."
 * _The Hiram Key_, Knight and Lomas, p. 302.

 * Sorry about the long post, but I've had so much resistance since the beginning of this whole thing that I'd rather just let BlueBoar sort out his own version of the truth based on the information available. No other version will quite do, no matter how many people object.  *sigh*  Please fix this, Blue. I'm real sorry if the page has been an eye sore, but as you can see, I'm willing to help just as soon as I know my contributions won't just dissappear, like the La Merica page itself.
 * -Luke 67.173.165.18 02:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Well... OK, it does seem that I was mistaken about The Hiram Key. However, I still think the merge was the right thing to do... it all works better as part of this article.  The Hiram Key is highly speculative pseudo-history (a lot of "it is possible" and "it could be that")... when you compare Knight and Lomas's speculation with the scholarly research by REAL historians, it all comes down to the question of "was Henry Sinclair a Knight Templar? And if so did he sail to America?"... Thus, any discussion about "La Merica" works better on this page. Blueboar 14:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with Dates, and Templars
The article states that Karen Ralls says Henry and William Sinclair testfied against the Templars. When did this happen? The trial of the Templars was in 1309, and Henry Sinclair was born around 1345. I'm confused, either Ralls is talking about a different set of Sinclairs or a different trial. --67.68.10.7 06:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think she is talking about a different trial. While the Templars were put on trial in France in 1309, the resulting papal bull disbanding them was not read out in Scotland until much later.  I will have to check the reference, but it seems likely that Ralls is referring to another trial (one in Scotland, and at a later date.) Blueboar 15:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Unreliable source
I have cut the following: and
 * The huge inheritance from his wife Joseline Sinclair and the political power of her brother ( his brother in arm in the first crusade) helped Hugh jumpstart his fraternity. It was known that 9 people established the fraternity but one stayed unknown (could the ninth be the Saint Claire and then his family line)..
 * The St. Clairs (Sinclairs) (from Normandy, France) were among the families that supported William the Conqueror in 1066 and this is how they received their holdings in Scotland. Shortly after moving, they changed their name to the Scottish Sinclair []

The angelfire sites are personal (self publised) websites that do not meet WP:RS. Feel free to add the info back if you can find better citations. Blueboar 14:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

WHO calls it the "La Merika/La Merica Theory"
I have raised this before, but need to raise it again. We say that the theory that Sinclair sailed to America is sometimes called the "La Merika Theory" (or "La Merica Theory"). I understand that we have sources to back the fact that a few loony authors claim that America was named after some sort of star by that name... I am not concerned about that. What I am concerned about is the lack of citation to show that anyone actually calls this idea by the exact name "La Merika Theory". Without a citation to back the fact that this phrasing is actually used by someone, I can only assume that it is a neologism created by an editor. That constitutes Original Research. Blueboar 16:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Sinclairs as sailors
Why is it so difficult to accept that that a 13th Century Earl whose subjects in Orkney where by and large Norse, could have sailed to America or elsewhere when Leif Ericson did just that in 1003?

The vessels Sinclair would have used must have been and improvement on 11th Century designs surely?

Yes I accept the evidence to prove it is scant but that does not mean to say it could not be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.173.109.55 (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The question isn't whether he could have done so... the question is whether he did do so. Blueboar (talk) 11:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Ian Sinclair
OK, we seem to have a revert war going on here... Please explain why it is so important to mention Ian Sinclair. How is he at all relevant to this article? Why must he be mentioned (and more importantly, why do we need to have a photograph of him) in an article on his distant ancestor? This article is about Henry... not about his descendants. Blueboar (talk) 21:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Blueboar, I've been taking it out as well as it has no place here, especially the picture. The IP has yet to discover a talk page though I think. I left a message on the talk page of the last ip they used, now on a different one (sigh).--Alf melmac 17:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I have done the same at his most recent address. If he continues to ignore our requests for discussion, I will report him as an IP vandal and request that the page be semi-protected. Blueboar (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yup, I guess I'd be an involved admin if I did it myself. It'll be tempting though :)--Alf melmac 18:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Hmmm... This is actually part of a pattern. We also have a new article on Ian Sinclair's Gnostic Templar group (see: International Order of Gnostic Templars).  It seems that the IP is trying to promote that org by mentioning it here.  Having looked into this further, I have nominated that article for deletion. Blueboar (talk) 20:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Noting the words in this edit, removing the photo of the statue, there does appear to be business interest. (By the way the statue cannot be anything other than conjecture, as is the one at Harvard, where they managed to dress the guy in the wrong centuries' costume - so I'm not overly mindful of its disappearance).--Alf melmac 03:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree... no real loss. Blueboar (talk) 14:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hooked X Rune
According to the History Channel the Hooked X rune links the Kennsington Stone, the Newport Tower, The Knight Gunn in New England, and Christopher Columbus as relation by marriage to Sinclair as all Templar in America evidence. I'm sure the show will air again. My point being: Will the skeptic that manages this page add to or reject the new evidence presented by the History Channel. To Note: The History Channel has also said Templars moved to Switzerland and invented modern banking, and that Columbus started as a Catalan revolutionary fighting Spain before faking Italian heritage to sail to America under a Spanish flag. My other point being: the History Channel is self contradictory. In anycase, I hope to return here and see what becomes of Prince/Earl Sinclair.

 * Having seen most of the History Channel programs related to this topic, I seriously doubt they actually state all this as being fact. The History Channel at least pretends that it covers its subjects with ballanced historical accuracy... so when covering specualtive theories such as these, they ususally stick a qualifying phrase such as "according to some..." in there somewhere. And they usually get around to debunking it all in the last three minutes, by interviewing a noted historian who says it is all a load of crap. Blueboar (talk) 14:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

subsection 3: "Alleged..."
Would someone please clarify the following sentence:
 * "The theory also makes use of the supposed Templar connection to explain the name Nova Scotia ("New Scotland" in Latin), basing themselves on the 18th century tale that some Templars escaped the suppression of their order by fleeing to Scotland of Robert the Bruce[11]..."
 * "...by fleeing to Scotland of Robert the Bruce" is baffling, due to the expression and position "of Robert the  Bruce".  Do you mean to say: ...by fleeing to  the  Scotland of Robert  the  Bruce"?   Thanks.— 24.49.51.81 (talk) 14:48, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I have clarified by changing it to "by fleeing to Scotland during the reign of Robert the Bruce". Blueboar (talk) 14:55, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Good change. Thanks. —24.49.51.81 (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

recent edits
I have had to revert a chunk of recent edits by Caledon861 (see my revert here. The edits were made in good faith, and some of the material probably should be retained,... unfortunately some of the changes were unsupported and contentious, and I can not separate out the good from the bad and so have had to revert it all.  I ask Caledon861 to go a bit slower... make a small change, then wait until others have had a chance to see it and comment (say a day or two), then move on to make the next one.  Thanks. Blueboar (talk) 18:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I noted a bit about the Louisburg cannon, based on some bad research by Andrew Sinclair. This was definitely not a 14th century cannon. Dougweller (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Armorial
I am conducing research into other families of this generation I have noticed that the armorial provided for this page is not consistent with the title. The one shown on the article page is that of the Sinclair of Roslin and is depicted as such in the Bruce and Balliol Rolls. Stoddart, in Scottish Arms volume 1, under the Armorial de Berry, plate 1 shows the correct arms for the Earldom. The one on the article page is certainly of Henri Sinclair and as illustrated in the Armorial de Gelre and was thus the one he used prior to achieving the Earldom of Orkney. The shield is shown on commons:Folio 64v de l'Armorial de Gelre. The issue arises as it seems that the armorial was depicted prior to his rise to the Earldom in 1379 but the publication printed after. It is commonly believed that it was published in 1380-84 and thus consistent with his rise.

Of further interest to you the Armorial de Gelre includes, in the description of his armorial a crest. You can see this in Stoddarts works and I have rendered it here.

The crest is that of a camel and usually depicted service in the middle east. My research suggests that Sinclair was a close associate of Sir Walter Leslie who is inaccurately depicted at Walter Leslie. It is known that Walter and Norman Leslie participated in the Alexandrian Crusade in 1365 and I suspect Norman died there as he was the knight that led the charge on the Customs gate to gain entry into the city. Judging by the Armorial de Gelre, it seems that a number of Scottish knights participated; Sir Henry Sinclair, the two Leslies, John of Edmonstone, John of Abernethy and others. They were back in Scotland before February 1366. Also of interest is that another Sinclair is depicted in the Armorial de Gelre. His name is not given but is clearly of the same family, that is Roslin. Is seems likely that he was a younger brother. His shield was the same but with a blue cross. You can see it on this page. He had no crest depicted and it seems probable that it depicted his brother David.

Also of interest to this family; it seems that Henry and David had a sister. She is not depicted in The Scots Peerage and I can find few records of her. However there is a Charter, of Walter Leslie, as Lord of Ross, dated 1367 to a Euphemia de "Sancto Clare" of lands in Buchan and other in Inverness. And also, as a result of the attempts made by William, Earl of Ross, to void the marriage between Leslie and his daughter which was arranged by the king, he produced evidence of a relationship between Leslie and a woman, unnamed, that is depicted as being within prohibited degrees. This required papal dispensation which was obtained in December 1367 where it is stated that "Walter Leslie had previously had illicit intercourse with a lady related within the fourth degree of kindred to Eufamia de Ross". Euphemia Ross' aunt was Marjory and married to Maol Íosa V, Earl of Strathearn.

It may be useful to depict the change in the armorial when Henri gains the Earldom. I have not found a good render of the arms of Sinclair, Earl of Orkney with the one for the Earldom on wikipedia being that of Douglas. If it interests you I could probably make an attempt. PS I am new to wikipedia, I'll also leave a note to your talk page Family locator (talk) 04:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Welcome to Wikipedia... I would suggest working with WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology on this... that's where our experts on this kind of stuff hang out.
 * Also... since you are new to Wikipedia, I would suggest that you become familiar with the nuances of our WP:No original research policy. I don't question your research... but if it is your own research, based on primary sources, Wikipedia is not the appropriate venue to present it. I would hate for you to spend a lot of time trying to improve this article, only to be told "Sorry, we can't accept that."  Blueboar (talk) 12:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the tip, that is a good topic; pity more wikipedians do not follow those guidelines. The heraldry is well documented in the sources I mentioned.  Simply put the armorial on this article page is incorrect for the title - Earl of Orkney, it was used by him when he was Lord of Roslin but I note where the confusion arises.  I will work with the group you mention to see if we can get it correctly represented.  The activities of some of the Scots during the Alexandrian Crusade are also well documented notably in MacQuarrie, Alan; Scotland and the Crusades, 1095-1560, (Edinburgh, 1997), but I haven't been specifically looking for Henry Sinclair; it was simply that the article page suggests there is little history of him and I presumed that being a Crusader may tie in with your links to the Templars and generate interest.  The piece about Euphemia would only be of interest if you were a genealogist.  It effects Walter Leslie and Euphemia Ross and has little bearing on Henry Sinclair.  Again thanks for the tip.  Family locator (talk) 06:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Templars in Scotland
I am wondering if there is some wording we can agree on with regards to Templars in Scotland. What historical references seem to point to is that after the Templar Order was dissolved, many refugees fled to Scotland, due in no small part to Scotland under Robert Bruce then being excommunicated by the Church. It is no secret, or fringe theory, that many of the few remaining Templars went there. Sure, these numbers would not have been massive - but they were significant enough to be noted in history. Is there some way we could reflect this? DaltonCastle (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Actually that paragraph is unsourced and needs sources. Sadly most of the books written on this are fringe. But I have found Templars: History and Myth: From Solomon's Temple to the Freemasons By Michael Haag which is published by Profile Books. If you look at the publisher the book seems to meet our criteria for being reliably published (WP:RS). That quotes the Brian Smith article we use but has other material that might be useful. But any sources need to mention both Sinclair and Templars. Doug Weller (talk) 11:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a side note here... I think it important to distinguish fact from opinion and speculation... The idea that a bunch of Templars fled to Scotland is resoundingly rejected by academic historians. There is NO historical documentation to support the idea, and the non-written "evidence" is considered very sketchy (at best).
 * However, the idea is exciting and mysterious enough that it gets a LOT of coverage in pop-history sources (History Channel, etc) ... unfortunately most of it is based on speculation and pseudo-historical theorizing. The theory is popular enough that it should be mentioned... but it needs to be phrased as opinion, and not presented as accepted fact. Blueboar (talk) 12:54, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I can certainly understand that. It is one frustrating thing about today's media that if an idea takes off it can be explored by countless quasi-reliable sources but never a truly reliable one. DaltonCastle (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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Templar origin absurdity
User:Blueboar, what are we really doing here - harvesting self-published lecture notes by a electrical engineer playing at being a historian as something demanding full presentation, just so we can then refute the least ridiculous aspect of it? There was no Henri St Clair, Duke of Champaine - there was no duchy of Champagne and the Henry who ruled Champagne as count wasn't related to the St. Clairs in the slightest. In the misplaced spirit of not including a brief claim without refutation, we are left with a version that actively promotes much more elaborate absurdity that we don't refute at all. The reason given for reversion was that NPOV demands not giving a claim without refutiation, but the Lomas claims discussed in the paragraphs in question, 1) that the Sinclairs played a role in the Templar foundation, 2) that there was a St. Clair who was Duke of Champaine, and 3) who the Templar founder married, the cuurrent text is only refuting the last of them. We are still presenting the first two claims entirely unrefuted (which is one more unrefuted claim than my version). None of this merits the level of coverage we are giving it. Agricolae (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I supose one option is to cut the Lomas claims entirely (I would say it is pseudohistory) - in which case there is no need to debunk them. My concern was that we be balanced. Blueboar (talk) 16:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Pseudohistory of Arthurian proportion. My first preference would be to pare the whole section down to a few sentences. One or two saying that claims are made regarding Henry making a Templar-driven voyage of discovery to America (without getting into the precise arguments), and one or two sentences saying actual historians don't buy it (I have two scholarly sources that dismiss it comprehensively), and include a hatnote for Pre-Columbian transoceanic contact theories. If there are any specific details that are deemed terribly important for understanding the 'theory', they can be moved to the other page. As to the Templar material, most of that isn't even directly related to Henry Sinclair, just vague claims of Sinclair family-Templar connections for which if there is a place for it on Wikipedia, it isn't in Henry's article.
 * If something this drastic is unpalatable, then we still need to take a close look at whether the individual purveyors we are publicizing are noteworthy (as opposed to just more available to whichever editor chose to add the material). There are dozens of self-published books expressing some flavor of this, and the personal variants on Forster/Pohl themes by their interchangeable amateur-pseudohistorian authors probably don't merit special attention. Agricolae (talk) 21:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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PTB

PTB may refer to:

Government and politics

 * Bermuda Public Transportation Board
 * Bessarabian Peasants' Party (Partidul Țărănesc din Basarabia), a political party in the Kingdom of Romania
 * Brazilian Labour Party (historical) (Partido Trabalhista Brasileiro), dismantled after the 1964 military-led coup d'état
 * Brazilian Labour Party (current) (Partido Trabalhista Brasileiro), founded 1981
 * Pakistan Tobacco Board
 * Party of Labour of Burkina (Parti du Travail de Burkina), a political party in Burkina Faso
 * Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, the national metrology institute of Germany
 * Workers' Party of Belgium (Parti du Travail de Belgique), a Belgian political party

Science and medicine

 * N-Phenacylthiazolium bromide, a cross-link breaker
 * Permian-Triassic boundary, a mass extinction event
 * Phosphotyrosine-binding domain (PTB-domain), a protein domain
 * Polypyrimidine tract-binding protein, an RNA-binding protein
 * Pulmonary tuberculosis, manifestation of tuberculosis in the lungs

Technology

 * Project team builder, a project management simulator
 * Public Test Build, of the game Dead by Daylight
 * Push to break, electronics push switch
 * Packet Too Big, an ICMPv6 message; see IPv6 packet
 * Pounds of salt per thousand barrels of crude oil; see Desalter
 * .ptb, a file extension used by musical tablature authoring tool Power Tab Editor

Transport

 * Pentre-bach railway station, in Wales
 * Petit train de banlieue, a passenger train in Senegal
 * Petersburg station, an Amtrak station serving Petersburg, Virginia
 * Voepass Linhas Aéreas, a Brazilian airline
 * PTB Group, in Iran

Other uses

 * P.T.B (album), by rapcore group Kingspade
 * Placer Theatre Ballet, an American ballet company
 * Portland Trail Blazers, an American professional basketball team
 * Proto-Tibeto-Burman language
 * Proto-Torres-Banks language, a reconstructed language from Vanuatu

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What kind of article are you creating?? Georgia guy 20:16, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide

Promociones Antonio Peña, S.A. de C.V. d/b/a Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide (Commonly referred to as simply AAA (pronounced "triple A"; an abbreviation of its original name Asistencia, Asesoría y Administración de Espectáculos, lit. 'Attendance, Advisory, and Administration of Spectacles') is a Mexican Lucha Libre (professional wrestling) promotion based in Mexico City, Mexico. It was founded in 1992, when Antonio Peña broke away from Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) to set up his own promotion to have more creative freedom.

AAA has a developed a reputation for its outlandish gimmicks and characters, and more extreme match styles. In addition to the conventional "squared circle", the promotion occasionally uses a hexagonal wrestling ring. The promotion has had working relationships with other Mexican promotions, as well as several American promotions; such as Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA), Major League Wrestling (MLW), and All Elite Wrestling (AEW).

AAA primarily hosts pay-per-views (PPV) events in Mexico, and has also promoted international events in the United States and Japan. The promotion broadcasts shows regularly on Gala TV in Mexico, and Univision TDN in Mexico and parts of the United States.

Formation and Early Years

Between April and May of 1992, Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) booker Antonio Peña broke with the company in favor of establishing his own group, along with Konnan, and much of the young talent from CMLL. AAA would look for talent from other markets, as they found and signed Tijuana natives Rey Mysterio, Jr. and Psicosis. The promotion became known for signing top talent, such as El Hijo del Santo, Octagón, Blue Panther, the Casas brothers (Negro Casas and Heavy Metal), Los Gringos Locos, Cien Caras, Konnan, and Perro Aguayo. The rising popularity of AAA caused rival promotion Universal Wrestling Association to go out of business. Peña would quickly sign up top draws, including El Canek, Dos Caras and Los Villanos.

In 1994, AAA co-promoted the When Worlds Collide pay-per-view event with World Championship Wrestling (WCW). The event was critically-acclaimed and is credited for popularizing lucha libre in the United States. Weeks after the show, Art Barr (a key member of Los Gringos Locos) died while visiting his family. AAA subsequentally vacated the AAA Tag Team Championships, which led to the departure of fellow stable-mates (in Los Gringos Locos) Eddie Guerrero and Madonna's Boyfriend. El Hijo del Santo also departed as a result of creative problems, and stars such as Fuerza Guerrera and Blue Panther soon left too when the Mexican economy began to slow down (which resulted in the company's inability to offer as much work). Talent such as Rey Misterio, Jr., Psicosis, La Parka, and Juventud Guerrera, would also depart to WCW in 1996, as well as Konnan's short-lived Promo Azteca promotion.

In early 1997, AAA established a working agreement with the World Wrestling Federation (WWF), with several luchadores appearing in the 1997 Royal Rumble. In the mid-1990s the name of the company was changed to simply be AAA (pronounced as Triple A), as the company bought out Televisa and became independent.

2006–2014
On October 6, 2006, founder Antonio Peña died of a heart attack. Following Peña's death, his sister Marisela Peña manages AAA financially; while Peña's brother-in-law Joaquín Roldán and his son, Dorian Roldán Peña serve as operational managers. In 2008, Lucha Libre USA presented AAA's second U.S. pay-per-view, Legendary Battles of Triplemania. In 2009, AAA announced the official release of a video game originally entitled AAA El Videojuego. The game was later retitled Lucha Libre AAA: Héroes del Ring, was released on October 12, 2010.

AAA developed a working relationship with Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) in 2004. Through the relationship, AAA sent the luchadores Juventud Guerrera, Héctor Garza, Abismo Negro, Heavy Metal, and Mr. Águila to TNA to compete in the America's X-Cup Tournament as a contingent known as Team Mexico. Team Mexico dominated the America's X-Cup Tournament, defeating Team USA in the first round before retaining the Cup against both Team Canada and Team Britain. They eventually lost at the World X-Cup, which saw Team USA defeat Team Canada and Team Mexico in the Ultimate X finals to win the Cup.

TNA and AAA's working relationship would end in late 2004. TNA continued utilizing luchadores, but opted to contract them individually. In 2006, AAA and TNA would again team up for an event in Toreo de Cuatro Caminos, utilizing some of TNA's talent and stage (which includes the tunnel and lasers). This partnership would end after Konnan left TNA in June 2007 and filed a racial discrimination lawsuit against TNA; The lawsuit was later dismissed. TNA would later start a relationship with CMLL from 2007 to 2009, and would begin another working relationship with AAA in February 2010.

2014–2020
On January 12, 2014, it was announced that, with the backing of Mark Burnett, AAA would co-produce a show for the American El Rey Network in the second half of the year. The one-hour weekly program would be accompanied by monthly and quarterly specials as well as live pay-per-views. The show, titled Lucha Underground, premiered on October 29, 2014. The series ran for four seasons, and received generally positive reviews.

Beginning in March 2015, the company announced that it would be known as Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide from that point on, although it is still referred to mainly as AAA or "Triple A".

On April 8, 2017, AAA General Manager Joaquín Roldán died.

On 14 June, AAA began airing on FrontRunnerTV in the UK.

In April and May 2018, some Liga Elite talent Teddy Hart, Juventud Guerrera and Taurus made their return to AAA wearing their Elite League jerseys. On June 4, at Verano de Escándalo, Jeff Jarrett returned after 3 years to defeat Rey Wagner and Rey Mysterio Jr. and win the AAA Mega Championship. Jarrett was assisted by Konnan, who also returned to AAA after 2 years.

On February 1, 2019, AAA announced the end of their relationship with Televisa after 27 years, with the promotion's programming moving to the Multimedios television station. On February 3, after Super Bowl LIII, AAA reached an agreement with TV Azteca to broadcast their show on Azteca 7.

On April 4, 2019, AAA announced its first event to be held in the United States, Invading NY, would take place at Madison Square Garden on September 15, 2019. The promotion also announced that would hold a second event in the US titled Invading Los Angeles, at The Forum in Inglewood, California on October 13, 2019. On August 16, 2019, it was reported by Pro Wrestling Insider that Invading NY was moved to Hulu Theater due to poor ticket sales.

2020–present
AAA would cancel and postpone its televised events in mid-March 2020 as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. The following April, a tournament called Lucha Fighters was created consisting of 12 luchadores and 8 luchadoras.

During the indefinite recess due to health contingency due to the COVID-19 pandemic in Mexico, on July 20, 2020, AAA announced its project called "AutoLuchas" which consists of a events in Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez where fans could see through from a car. On September 24, AAA announced that it would return to its first performances in early October after the announced project.

In December 2020, FactoryMade Ventures, one of the co-producers of Lucha Underground, filed a lawsuit with AAA; claiming to have exclusive rights to distribute AAA events and merchandise outside of Mexico.

On February 2, 2021, the company signed an alliance with SECTUR to promote Mexico's tourist destinations. Bearing the name of the tour as "Lucha por la Identidad Nacional", this included shows such as Rey de Reyes and Verano de Escándalo.

On August 14, Triplemanía XXIX was held at the Arena Ciudad de México. It was the first event since the pandemic began to have a limited number of fans in attendance for biosecurity reasons. Héroes Inmortales XIV would also have a limited audience present.

International partnerships
In 1997, AAA partnered with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) to bring in a number of luchadores for the Royal Rumble event and its namesake match.

In April 2014, TNA founder Jeff Jarrett, who was credited for AAA & TNA relationship, had left the company. He announced that his new Global Force Wrestling (GFW) promotion would begin working with the AAA. TNA and AAA would continue to work with each other, including on such events as the Lucha Libre World Cup on May 24, 2015. When Jarrett returned to TNA (then known as Impact Wrestling) in 2017, it was announced that both promotions would continue to be work together.

In July 2015, Canadian-based International Wrestling Syndicate (IWS) announced a talent partnership with AAA.

In June 2018, AAA partnered with Lucha Libre Elite.

In August 2018, AAA started a working agreement with the American-based Major League Wrestling (MLW).

In February 2019, it was announced that AAA would be partnering with All Elite Wrestling (AEW).

Shows and tournaments
Each year AAA promotes a number of signature events and tournaments: some shown as pay-per-view events and others presented as TV Azteca television specials. The annual shows and tournaments, shown in order of occurrence during each year, include:

Championships and accomplishments
AAA has few restrictions on the number of championships it promotes, often allowing wrestlers to defend titles from other promotions; such as the Universal Wrestling Association. Such titles are defended on AAA shows as a way to promote their talents. This long-standing practice ended in December 2008, after the promotion announced it will no longer recognize or promote any non-AAA title.

This list only includes AAA championships and does not include titles from other promotions.

Current championships
As of July 29, 2024.

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Talk:Schatzkammer

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A Schatzkammer or Treasury is a generic term for all such treasure hoards in display, not just the Habsburger Schatzkammer A Wunderkammer is a similar displayed collection, of natural curiosities. --Wetman 20:16, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

true
Schatzkammer can also just generically mean "treasury" but i thought that was mentioned in the article. i´ve heard that there are basically only 3 official Schatzkammern in the german-speaking area. although there seems to be one in Cologne Cathedral as well.. hm, we would have to set up a new article in that case.. Antares911 22:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dubious
The lead sentence here says that Schatzkammer, a German word which means "treasury" or "treasure chamber", is a term used in English for the collection of treasures... So, first of all, NO, it isn't the term used in English for such places; a quick look in the OED has no entry at all for the word. If you want to see the Crown Jewels at the Tower, you follow the signs to the Jewel House; other places will call it the Treasury, or the Treasure Room. Nobody, writing in English, would use the word. So, second, is this an article about treasuries in Germany, or about treasuries as a whole? If it's the latter, it needs moving to a generic English term, per WP:TITLE/ COMMONNAME/USEENGLISH. If the former, then the text needs trimming down to just the German examples (and then we'd probably need another article on everybody else's treasuries). Thoughts? Moonraker12 (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Not by you, evidently, but YES it is used, precisely because there isn't a good English alternative, for collections like the Waddesdon Bequest or parts of the Wallace Collection. Here's another and another. "Spectacular objects in the Schatzkammer genre that Baron Lionel bought during his lifetime included ....". Note the distinguished User:Wetman's comment from 2005 above.  Johnbod (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, not by the OED or by Merriam Webster either, so 'used in English' is hardly accurate (it isn't a loanword); and as for no 'good English alternative', what's wrong with Collection? Or Treasure? Or Crown Jewels? Or, Regalia? Or even, Cabinet of curiosities?
 * Nor is it the generic term for such collections; the Treasures of San Marco are just that, as are the Treasures of St Vitus (cz) and the Imperial Treasures of the Ottomans (tr).
 * What it is, in fact, is a German word used by some people in the trade when they don't want to use the appropriate English word for the thing (a bit like someone describing a piece as a gesamtkunstwerk, when what they mean is a "mixed-media art work"). So what I suggest is, we remove the offending 'in English' and put in citations for the use of the term in each example given here (I notice the article is a bit light on sources). Deal? Moonraker12 (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Your proposed synonyms just demonstrate that there isn't another exact equivalent in English, there's plenty wrong with:
 * "Spectacular objects in the collection genre that Baron Lionel bought during his lifetime included ...."
 * "Spectacular objects in the treasure genre that Baron Lionel bought during his lifetime included ...."
 * "Spectacular objects in the Crown Jewels genre that Baron Lionel bought during his lifetime included ...."
 * "Spectacular objects in the regalia genre that Baron Lionel bought during his lifetime included ...."
 * "Spectacular objects in the cabinet of curiosities genre that Baron Lionel bought during his lifetime included ...."

Whether you approve of writers' choice of word is hardly the point! I've demonstrated it is is used in English - I'm sure there are plenty of other uses, but most search results are naturally about the Germanic ones. You've demonstrated there isn't an exact alternative. I'll agree to adding a "sometimes" to the supposed "offending" bit. The wider subject is covered at Treasury, which has a link here early on, but obviously has other fish to fry. Even if say Treasury (room or set of rooms) was split off (a tricky subject to write about, as global over at least two millenia), the specialized nature of the schatzkammer would probably still rate its own article. Johnbod (talk) 13:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So now it's a genre? Where does it say that? The article claims that it's the English word for a collection of treasures; I'd thought it was the German word for the room where a collection was kept, but I can see how it can extend to the collection itself. Where does the genre come in? The German WP article doesn't claim that, and the word there simply translates to treasury.
 * And as far as what has been demonstrated: I offered a number of words that cover the items on the list here; the exact English alternative is "Treasury", and the fact that a number of other words can describe these things doesn't negate that. And what you've demonstrated is that the word has been used a few times in connection with the Rothschild collection; there's no evidence here that the word is used for the collections in the Tower of London, or the Topkapi, or Saint Marks, or Lacock. And the only reference to a Schatzkammer genre anywhere is that essay by Inge Reist you quoted; if it really was a thing there ought to be more. Moonraker12 (talk) 23:57, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Were you planning to reply to this anytime? Moonraker12 (talk) 23:35, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Not really. Is there a course of action you propose? Johnbod (talk) 00:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Other than adding an "OR" tag, I mean. That's always really helpful! I'm away for the rest of the week, so take your time. Johnbod (talk) 01:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Original research?
used in English for such things. And, it was proposed for deletion in 2015 citing some of the same concerns I'm raising now. So: do you have any evidence that the places you've listed have ever been referred to as Schatzkammer in English? Do you have any evidence, (apart from a single mention by a (presumably) German writer referring to (again) the Waddesden Collection) of a 'Schatzkammer genre'? And do you have any reason why this page should not be either merged to Treasury, or deleted altogether? Moonraker12 (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've been looking at the history of this page: when it was first posted in 2005 it was about the museum in Vienna; by 2010 it was a bit of a dab page about collections in Germany. It was changed in 2011 (by you, and without any corroborating evidence) to a page on treasuries generally, but still with a German title, and with this dubious claim about being the term
 * Both of these are really terrible ideas - I won't bother explaining why for now. The alternative would be to rename the page, but an alternative short appropriate name for the pretty coherent concept currently covered (post-Renaissance European secular treasure collections) is not easy to find, hence the current name. Johnbod (talk) 01:07, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you need to read WP:OR again.
 * If you need a week or so before you can search, then fine, but unless you can provide citations for all these iffy assertions -- ie. sources that support .a) the use of this term in English for all these places, and .b) that attest to the existence in English of a 'Schatzkammer genre' (other than a single comment by some German writer somewhere), then they'll have to go. And if whatever is left lacks any notability, or isn't viable as a stand-alone article, then it's a candidate for deletion or merger. Personally, I don't even think it qualifies as a separate dictionary entry, but that's just me, so far. Anyway, good hunting... Moonraker12 (talk) 18:08, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I’ve Which left a dictionary definition and a couple of links, none of which is particularly notable. It was a toss-up between merging the stuff to those articles and referring the whole mess to AfD; so I went with the former. But I’m easy either way..Moonraker12 (talk) 03:16, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * there’s been no progress on this for weeks, now; no citations added that attest to the use of the term in English for these places, and no evidence of any "schatzkammer genre" in English generally. So I’ve gone with Plan B…
 * deleted the disputed claims, as they were unsupported by any reliable source
 * moved the references that were added, as they were not general but specific to one case only
 * deleted the original research; most of it has been unsupported since 2011, and some of it since 2005
 * You had no consensus for this, & the redirect was unhelpful, so I've reverted (leaving the stuff moved elsewhere). Johnbod (talk) 04:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume by consensus here you mean agreement from you: Consensus is represented by policies (like No original research and Verifiability), so I don’t need your agreement to follow policy. Consensus doesn’t provide a veto over edits made in line with our guidelines (or, more to the point, edits made to fix situations that are contrary to guidelines): You’ve had since January to substantiate the claims you’ve made (in fact, you’ve had since 2011) and there’s been nothing, so I’ve gone ahead and followed policy. But if you want to discuss where the title should redirect to, I’m all ears… Moonraker12 (talk) 16:47, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No, WP:CONSENSUS is clear. It doesn't just mean what you think and nobody else seems to agree with. Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * So where in WP: CONSENSUS does it say you can thumb your nose at our policies?
 * OTOH it does say that “Consensus seeks to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines”. So, how does your position address the legitimate concerns that’ve been raised, and how does it follow Wikipedia policies?
 * WP:Policies and guidelines says Policies “describe standards that all users should normally follow”, and guidelines are “sets of best practices that are supported by consensus”. It also says “these pages are controlled by community-wide consensus”. Ergo, following a policy or guideline is, by implication, backed by consensus.
 * Also WP:NOR: “articles must not contain original research, ie. facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist”.
 * And WP:VERIFY: “Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source”.
 * What part of this is “what I think and nobody else agrees with”? Moonraker12 (talk) 02:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:2005 English cricket season

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Templates?
Why are the contents of this page in oddly placed, non-mainspace templates rather than the article itself? --Oldak Quill 23:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It should be clearer now I'm developing the article more. I'm doing a set of what will probably be around three dozen encyclopaedic articles on the 2005 English cricket season. Many bits of text will be relevant to more than one article - for instance the text on the Surrey v Sussex games that finishes today will be relevant to this article, and also the articles Surrey County Cricket Club in 2005, Sussex County Cricket Club in 2005 and Frizzell County Championship Division One in 2005. Without using these templates such a series of articles would not be logistically possible (in particular when others start to edit them).

 * Using this Wikimedia technology allows us to have a set of articles that, as far as I am aware, will be unique to Wikipedia, jguk 15:54, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Checking for completeness
Just a note to say that I have checked to ensure that every page has every match it should have on it up to the end of May, jguk 09:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I've now checked and added all the matches at least up to the end of July, jguk 9 July 2005 16:30 (UTC)

Lacking categories
Special:Uncategorizedpapges has just been flooded with uncategorized cricket subpages. Could someone who is working in this area add the missing categories? It would be great if these could be dealt with quickly. We only get 1000 pages a week to categorize and these 150+ pages prevent other articles from being started. Below is a start of the 2005 English cricket season pages that are lacking categories. - SimonP 16:29, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah. I only just had Linuxbreak mentioning his hatred of uncategorised pages this morning. I have created a new category for all the match articles: Category:2005 English cricket season matches. This should be added to all those pages with each entry ending in "|Home team v Away team MM-DD" so that its started sensibly. If you help out with removing them, please start at the bottom up and remove the ones you do. In the meantime, I'll start at the top and remove them 10 at a time. Kind regards, jguk 17:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, I see some are already being done. Scrub what I wrote above, I'll check them chronologically, jguk 17:35, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I've done up to match 28 atm. Sam Vimes 17:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll help do some of them, but you might also want to consider renaming the pages at the same time. Couldn't they just be "Bedfordshire v Sussex 4 May 2005" rather than "2005 English cricket season/Bedfordshire v Sussex 4 May 2005". The former title is pretty unambiguous and much shorter to type for anyone linking to it. The long titles also leave something to be desired aesthetically. - SimonP 18:20, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, I'm quite sure that if we did rename "2005 English cricket season/Bedfordshire v Sussex 4 May 2005" to "Bedfordshire v Sussex 4 May 2005" it would be straight up at WP:VfD before you could say Jack Robinson. If there's all those disputes over schools, I'm sure individual cricket matches (and abandoned cricket matches) won't fare well. I push WP standard practice to the limits to improve WP articles as it is:) Kind regards, and thank you for your help and suggestions, jguk 18:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow, it seems like they're already all categorized. Thank you very much for dealing so rapidly with this. - SimonP 18:26, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Could we remove the start now, or is that not very good WP policy? Only it clutters up the page and is not needed. Sam Vimes 11:24, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I've removed it. I don't think anyone would find the start particularly useful now that they are all categorized, and you are right about it cluttering up the page. - SimonP 14:38, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll get onto it shortly. Cheers for providing the links. Sam Vimes 17:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Subpages
This page has a huge number of subpages, apparently for individual matches in this season. Subpages have long been deprecated in the article namespace, however, and aren't considered part of the encyclopedia itself; see the guidelines at Subpages. They should at some point be moved to names that aren't subpages. Bryan 07:45, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The problem is that it then becomes very hard to integrate them into the main articles, because each match report is displayed on different pages (the page for the league in which the match is played, the subpage for the month and the team page for the year) - we could possibly copy and paste all the reports into the relevant page, but the "transclusion" (I believe that's what it's called) makes it easier for us as editors. Sam Vimes 09:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't realize they were being transcluded into other articles. This opens up a whole other kettle of fish now, IMO; a few months back I cleaned up a similar situation in a couple of astrology articles in which they were "sharing" sections via transclusion and there was unanimous agreement with the local editors there that this wasn't a good way to go about things. I don't know if there's any policy, but it's always struck me that templates make things harder for editors; they come across a page with a chunk of text they want to edit, they click "edit this page", and then they find that the text they were looking for isn't there. How about turning the transclusions into simple links to the articles instead? That would have the added benefit of greatly reducing the size and redundancy in the articles that are "sharing" these pages. Bryan 15:33, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I grasped the system of transclusion used here as a relative newb (having only about 30-40 edits before) - it's not THAT hard to understand. The article itself would then be "start of Match Reports", I suppose, instead of the reports itself, plus a more in-depth summary of the season for the team in question (or the league in question). I like it better as it is now, even though it might fly in the face of WP policy... Sam Vimes 16:32, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I can leave the transclusion issue for someone else to deal with in the future- I know there are some crusaders out there who like to work on those on account of the extra system resources that transclusion uses up. The subpages should still be renamed, though; I believe non-subpage articles can be transcluded just fine (I just tested with "show preview" and this code worked: ) and the subpage policy is quite clear in this regard. I can do all the grunt work of moving pages and fixing links, I just don't know what to call these pages instead and figured I'd ask for ideas rather than making up something on my own. Bryan 23:36, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * As long as they don't get deleted by someone who don't believe individual cricket matches should have their own WP articles...re jguk's comment (further up the page): "I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, I'm quite sure that if we did rename "2005 English cricket season/Bedfordshire v Sussex 4 May 2005" to "Bedfordshire v Sussex 4 May 2005" it would be straight up at WP:VfD before you could say Jack Robinson. If there's all those disputes over schools, I'm sure individual cricket matches (and abandoned cricket matches) won't fare well." If we were to rename them, however, I'd hope we could have something simple like "Home team v Away team Date (cricket match)" - that should be clear enough. Sam Vimes 10:09, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, if an article's deleteworthy, then it's deleteworth regardless of whether there's a slash in the title or not - they'll show up on VfD eventually anyway. Are the names already arranged in home team v away team order in the current titles? If so, I can make a project of moving them without any trouble, all I'd need to do is chop the "2005 English cricket season" off the front. And I doubt it'll be necessary to disambiguate them with "(cricket match)", since I doubt two teams from some other sport from those same locations happened to have a match on the exact same day. Bryan 04:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * As far as I'm aware, all of the matches are started in the form "Home team v Away team DD MONTH YYYY". My concern about VfD is that some will vote on the part rather than the whole (ie that we have an article on one, possibly abandoned, match) rather than it being necessary to have each part to give a comprehensive view of a cricket season as a whole. Some on VfD prefer form over substance, and if we're not careful we'll get the whole season deleted (or part of it) because some people do not recognise what we're doing here. The technique used of making it a subpage attracts less attention.

 * As you've probably worked out, the cricket pages use the WP to the full - and whilst I do not ignore WP guidelines in putting them together, I do not see them as laws written in stone, and where it is genuinely helpful to do something new, something new is done. Many WP's, I know, are conservative, and do not like that approach, but it has certainly yielded great dividends in helping the cricket pages of WP expand greatly.

 * Going back to the point in question, personally I would prefer it if we didn't have the "2005 English cricket season/" prefix. However, I'm genuinely concerned that we will see the project irreparably damaged on VfD if it is omitted. If you can guarantee that they won't be deleted, I'll move them all again myself, jguk 07:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I can't guarantee anything, of course, I'm just an editor like anyone else. Personally, I think I'd vote against deleting these individual game articles if they showed up on VfD - we've got plenty of articles on individual TV episodes, a cricket match seems like a similar sort of thing. But the idea of making these things subpages specifically to avoid attention seems like a bad approach - if a Wikipedia article has to "hide" to survive then I suspect there's either something wrong with the article or something wrong with Wikipedia's policies. If this is something new, it should be broadcast widely so that the Wikipedia community can decide whether it really is helpful and adjust policies accordingly so that it can be adopted more widely. This transclusion trick isn't discussed by any policy pages I've been able to find, established or proposed, so I mentioned it over on the Village Pump (here) to draw attention and perhaps get it addressed one way or the other; addressing it early should help avoid contention and extra work in the future. Bryan 08:28, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:Template_namespace. With regard to the naming: the component pages do not have to satisfy the usual requirements of providing context, because the context is provided by the pages in which these components are transcluded. That could be a reason for a special way of naming (or putting them in another namespace, but the feeling seems to be that they should be in the main namespace).--Patrick 11:24, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Alternatively, a remark can be added to the component page, which I have done, as an example, at 2005 English cricket season/Worcestershire v Durham 1-4 June 2005 . This may avoid some of the irritation and confusion of readers.--Patrick 12:31, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This was reverted by Jguk who says it makes the articles look odd.--Patrick 13:09, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Compromise attempt
A note to editors who have had an input on the way we do things at this article - I've attempted to suggest a new way of doing it at Wikipedia_talk:Template_namespace

British and Irish current events
This page looks like it is going to survive it's VFD, and whilst I've been updating it daily it takes a lot. I don't know if someone keen on cricket would mind posting relevant cricket scores to it? Hiding 18:20, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * Someone posted the cricket scores to current sports event a couple of months back - we stopped because it wasn't too relevant on a global scale and because of time constraints. It would suit well on a page like this, though. I've started with adding yesterday's final of the ICC Trophy Sam Vimes 18:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Brilliant. Thanks. Hiding 20:05, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Players flags
What do people think of adding the flag next to the players name on the start of players for Clubs, similar to what they use on the football players. With the amount of Kolpak players it may be interesting to see their country of birth? (unsigned comment by Kroome111)

 * Ooh, I like what you've done to Essex County Cricket Club in 2005. It looks much prettier now. One thing to consider, though - for players like ten Doeschate (who is born in South Africa but plays for the Netherlands cos he's not good enough), do we take the country of birth, country they feel most affiliated to, or country they last played for internationally? Certainly the first one would be the easiest to research Sam Vimes 14:15, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Blimey good point, yes with Ten Doeschate it is a difficult one. I presume we have to go for who he plays for (affiliated to) otherwise we would have people like Pietersen with a South African flag by him (whatever people feel about it!) and to a lesser extent people like Andrew Caddick, Craig White etc. Kroome111 16:44, 24 August 2005
 * Automatically using the place of birth wouldn't be the best move, I doubt Andrew Symonds would consider himself a Brummie rather than an Aussie. Average Earthman 13:48, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah - that's basically what I've gone with. However, since the pages are going to be deleted as cruft, it's probably not worth taking a big decision on. Sam Vimes 16:12, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

CFD
I've nominated Category:2005 English cricket season matches for deletion, since it's empty and not going to be used anymore Sam Vimes 12:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-04-11/Encarta editing

Users can suggest revisions and updates
Microsoft Encarta this week announced that it was adding the facility for users to suggest updates and revisions to its encyclopaedia articles. In the first post to its new blog, editorial director Gary Alt said that by allowing users to contribute to articles, the company hoped to combine the advantages of the traditional publishing model, "with its emphasis on fact-checking, consistency, readability, and objectivity" to the "enormous knowledge of our vast user base". Encarta program manager Aaron Patterson said they were interested in creating "a thriving community of people that are passionate about building a great reference source". Information on the new innovation can be found at Encarta's feedback page.

The process
Every article in Encarta's online edition now has a link marked 'edit this article', as well as a form at the bottom for feedback other than suggested edits. Although the process has superficial similarities to the wiki editing process at Wikipedia, there are some fundamental differences.

Edits will not show up immediately, unlike "open-content encyclopedias found elsewhere on the Web", as Encarta's announcement puts it. Instead, suggestions will pass through a review process, with researchers checking the facts, an editor assessing readability and organization, and proofreaders ensuring conformity with the encyclopaedia's style guide. Encarta has employed graduate students from the University of Washington Information School as fact-checkers, and says it may consider expanding the pool of researchers to the Encarta community.

The encyclopaedia estimates that for a suggestion to go live would typically take several weeks, and longer for substantial suggestions. Encarta do not guarantee that any contribution will be adopted, and cannot notify users if or when their suggestions are adopted. The process currently only allows suggestions regarding existing articles, but the possibility of allowing users to suggest new articles is "under consideration for the future".

Licensing
Microsoft's information pages about the new process do not explicitly state the conditions of use granted by users who suggest changes, but their general site-wide terms of use specify that users providing materials to Microsoft grant the corporation permission to "use, copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, modify, translate and reformat" the submission.

Encarta does not guarantee to attribute any suggestions it uses, and edits can be made anonymously, but users who provide a nickname may have their contribution noted on the encyclopaedia's "What's new" page.

Reactions
A Wikinews article on the news from Microsoft contained an interview with Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, who said he doubted that the venture would pose any threat to Wikipedia's continually growing reputation. He was not convinced that many people would be tempted to make use of the new facilities, asking "Who wants to volunteer to make Microsoft even richer, when they can volunteer at Wikipedia and make the world a better place?". In a post on his blog, he noted the difference between submitting work for free distribution under the GFDL for Wikipedia, and signing away contributions for Microsoft's exclusive use. "I wonder what the most talented and dedicated people will choose. :-)", he said.

Wikipedians were also unpersuaded. In discussion on the wikipedia-l mailing list, Anthere said the review process was reminiscient of Nupedia's, while Pcb21 noted that the oblique reference on Encarta's feedback information page to "open-content encyclopedias found elsewhere on the Web" was "a not-so-subtle hint that this feature has been brought about by Wikipedia".

A thread on Slashdot discussed the news, with comments generally being unfavourable. Posts to Microsoft's blog on the topic were more varied. One user sarcastically said "Wow, letting users suggest changes to an encyclopedia is a really good idea. I'm surprised that no one else thought of this before!", while another said the idea was "a rip-off of Wikipedia". Other comments were more positive, with users saying it was "a really cool development", and "very interesting".


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Talk:Nicholas Udall

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As I have put notice on the article (Nicholas Udall), this should be merged with content from Nicolas Udall, but must wait as the page cannot be deleted for article history merging due to block compression.

Please do not copy-and-paste the information in the mean-time.

James F. (talk) 20:19, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Although the felony of buggery carried a sentence of capital punishment (by hanging), his sentence was reduced to just under a year in the Marshalsea prison, which suggests that his relationships with the pupils in question had been consensual and that they were over the age of what would now be termed "the age of consent.""

This claim seems tenuous.Firstly, it assumes that early modern views of sexual morality were comparable to modern mores, and that the primary concern of the Buggery Law was to save the very young from exploitation. But it wasn't - as the execution of men like John Atherton and John Childe clearly shows. Age was not of primary concern in the Elizabethan discourse of sodomy: social class (of both parties concerned), religious orthodoxy, and political persuasion were more likely to be the key issues at stake (on all of these counts, Udall - unlike Atherton - could be afforded leniency). There was little concept of an "age of consent" in early modern England - which is not to suggest that there was a sexual free-for-all by any means - and though we cannot know how Udall imagined his own sexual life, it was more likely in terms of classical pederasty than in those of the modern "LGBT" discourse. I would suggest that the second half of this sentence, comprising all the speculation about the nature of Udall's offences should be removed - that is, everything after the words "Marshalsea Prison." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.220.6 (talk) 23:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Header Change
I removed "paederast" from the header because that's not what Udall is historically important for, and in that context only smacks of sensationalism. His conduct at Eton and its consequences are more than sufficiently discussed, given the article's overall lack of detail. --Bobbnoxious2 (talk) 06:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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The Dirk Pitt adventure novels of Clive Cussler. __NOGALLERY__

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Michael Lyster

Michael Lyster (born 11 April 1954) is an Irish former radio and television broadcaster who worked for RTÉ. He mainly covered sporting events, such as Gaelic games and Olympic Games. He is best known for presenting The Sunday Game Live, which he hosted from 1984 to 2018.

Early life
The son of a member of the Garda Síochána, Lyster was born in Dungarvan, County Waterford. When he was four years-old his father was transferred to Barnaderg, County Galway, where Lyster spent his formative years. He was educated at St Jarlath's College in nearby Tuam. After leaving school, he started working in the lab of the local sugar factory.

Journalism
Lyster began his journalistic career as a junior reporter with The Tuam Herald where he wrote a music column. He spent seven years with that newspaper before moving to television and radio.

Television and radio
In 1980, Lyster joined RTÉ as a sports bulletin broadcaster with Radio 2, however, as his career progressed he began presenting programmes and covering high-profile sporting events. In his first year at the national broadcaster he also covered the Olympic Games on radio. One of the highlights of his early career was covering the 1982 and 1983 All-Ireland hurling finals for radio. In 1984 Lyster took over as presenter of The Sunday Game, a post he held for 34 years. That same year he was one of the main presenters for RTÉ's television coverage of the Summer Olympics in Los Angeles, co-hosting the morning slot with Moya Doherty. It was RTÉ's first venture into breakfast television with the slot combining action from the Games with cookery and dance classes amongst other things.

In 1988, Lyster won a Jacob's Award for his work on The Sunday Game. Since then Lyster has covered a number of sports for RTÉ across all codes and has been an ever-present feature on RTÉ's coverage of Olympic Games. He remains, however, mostly associated with Gaelic games and has been one of the main presenters of the All-Star and the RTÉ Sports Person of the Year awards shows.

In 2007, Lyster took part in Celebrity Jigs 'n' Reels. Famously, when a penalty was applied to Hannah Craig during the 2012 Summer Olympics, Carl Dunne, head of the Irish canoeing team, telephoned RTÉ's analyst to discuss the possibility of appealing the decision. The analyst took the telephone call live on television as a bemused Lyster watched on.

After suffering ill health, Lyster decided to retire from The Sunday Game at the end of 2018, with the 2018 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final his last as presenter.

Personal life
Lyster has been married to his wife Anne since 1985 and together they have two boys and two girls. They live in Cabinteely in Dublin. Lyster has been interested in rally driving which he has enjoyed since the early 1990s. He has partook in many main events including the Cork International Rally where he finished third in 1992, the Circuit of Ireland Rally and the Killarney Rally of the Lakes. His co-driver is Irish Independent sports writer Vincent Hogan.

Health
On 5 June 2015 at 11:32pm Lyster had a major heart attack and was rushed to hospital. He had been playing golf in Galway with friend Vincent Hogan who drove him back to Dublin afterwards. He left his mobile phone in Vincent's car who he rang from his house phone asking him to return to the house with the mobile. Hogan returned to find him collapsed on the ground in the hallway. Lyster's wife Anne performed CPR while Vincent called for an ambulance. He had a pacemaker fitted after receiving treatment. Lyster later disclosed that he had suffered from a heart condition for a number of years prior to the attack.

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Morgan's

Henry Morgan & Company (colloquially Morgan's) was a Canadian department store chain founded by Henry Morgan in 1845. The first store was in Montreal, and expanded to include 11 stores in Ontario and Quebec before being bought by Hudson's Bay Company in 1960. The stores in Ontario were converted to Hudson's Bay Company stores that year and renamed The Bay in 1965; the remaining Morgan's stores in Quebec were renamed La Baie in 1972.

The flagship store was in the Henry Morgan Building in Downtown Montreal, and remains a flagship property of the Hudson's Bay Company.

History
The first store was opened in Montreal in 1845 by Scottish immigrant Henry Morgan as Henry Morgan and Company at 200 Notre Dame Street (now 404 Notre Dame St. W), then moved in 1852 to 100 McGill Street (now 478 McGill St.; addition at 3-5 St. Joseph, now 610 Notre Dame W., in 1857) and again in 1866 to the north side of St. James Street (Saint Jacques Street) at Victoria Square. In 1891, they built a new flagship store at 585 Saint Catherine Street West in front of Phillips Square. This store opened as businesses were moving away from the old city centre and helped to make Saint Catherine Street the principal street for shops in Montreal.

The second store to operate under the Morgan's name opened in 1950 on Queen Mary Road in the Snowdon area of Montreal. Other stores then opened on the island of Montreal, and in several Ontario cities. Ownership of the store was originally split evenly between Henry Morgan and his partner, David Smith. Smith's portion was later purchased by Henry's brother, James Morgan. The store stayed under the ownership and management of the original Morgan brothers and their descendants for over 100 years of business.

In 1960, Hudson's Bay Company purchased Morgan's. In 1964, the stores in Ontario were converted to the new name – The Bay. At that point, the Morgan's logo was replaced with a new one with a similar design to The Bay's for the Quebec stores still operating under the Morgan's name. The Quebec stores were converted on June 19, 1972.

1945 Commemorative Wedgwood Bowl
In 1945, Morgan's Department Store commissioned a Wedgwood bowl, designed by Keith Murray, to commemorate the store's 100th anniversary in Montreal. Black and white transfer prints on the front and back contrast Montreal as it was in 1845 and in 1945. Relief portraits on each side of Jean Baptiste and John Bull are surrounded by colourful maple leaves, shamrock, rose, thistle, and fleur-de-lis and celebrate the city's French and English heritage. The inside of the bowl is decorated with the coat of arms and motto Concordia Salus (Salvation Through Harmony), colourful maple leaves, and the following English and French inscriptions around the upper rim: "Discovered by Jacques Cartier in 1534, Founded by Maisonneuve in 1642, Decouvert par Jacques Cartier en 1534, and Fonde par Maisonneuve en 1642". The underside of the bowl has the Morgan's and Wedgwood logos and provides the population data for Montreal in 1845 (45,000) and 1945 (1,500,000). This footed bowl measures 12 1/4" in diameter, and is 6 3/4" high.

Legacy
Three former Morgan's stores are still in operation as The Bay: the flagship in downtown Montreal and the suburban locations in Eglinton Square Shopping Centre and Rockland Centre (though the latter relocated in 1983 within the same mall). The Montreal locations in the Boulevard Shopping Centre and Dorval Gardens shopping malls lasted until 2018 and 2021 respectively. In Ontario, virtually all The Bay stores, that had previously been Morgan's locations, closed between the 1970s and 2000s decades.

Locations

 * Montreal
 * St. Catherine St. (1845)
 * Queen Mary Road (1950)
 * Le Boulevard Shopping Centre (1953)
 * Dorval Gardens (1954)
 * Centre Rockland (1959)
 * Toronto
 * Bloor/Yonge (1950)
 * Lawrence Plaza (1955)
 * Cloverdale Mall (1960)
 * Eglinton Square (1963)
 * Hamilton
 * Greater Hamilton Shopping Centre (1957)
 * Ottawa
 * Sparks Street (1951)

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