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Participation of the Soviet Union
Fligribit wrote his nonsense about mysterious political interference on behalf of the Soviet authorities that prevented the Soviet team from competing in the Olympics (or he implied that) and wants to keep it that way. Why in the world can't I mention that the USSR started competing in 1954 (and started winning right away)? Why would you want to leave an impression that due to this "interference" the Soviet Union never competed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gekeperi (talk • contribs)
 * Because his cited information was relevant specifically to the 1952 games. Your information was not relevant to the 1952 games and as he stated is more appropriate to the overall team page for the Soviet team and it is of course already located there. -DJSasso (talk) 15:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It is hard to say for certain what the "political interference" is specifically directed at, but it is central to the cited statement. Fligibit did not write any nonsense, it is a statement directly from the IIHF, I do not believe that there is any implication that the Soviet team was prevented from playing for any reason.  If you wish to have a discussion about content I hope that you can drop the accusations.18abruce (talk) 15:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In a larger context it would be good to have some content somewhere that discusses why the Soviet Union did not compete in the 1952 Winter Olympics at all, not just hockey. It could be for very mundane reasons but I cannot easily find details anywhere.18abruce (talk) 15:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah, whatever, stick to curling — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gekeperi (talk • contribs) 15:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Would you please sign your posts. GoodDay (talk) 15:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * There are more details and sources about it in Soviet Union at the Olympics, but the short of it is there was no Soviet Union Olympic Committee until early 1951. They probably just did not have enough time to put everything together or qualify in under a year, but they made their first Olympic appearance in the 1952 summer games. Yosemiter (talk) 16:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I gathered something like that. I think in general user Gekeperi is misinterpreting the material as implying that the Soviets were prevented from playing, while the truth appears to be that they were not prepared to compete but the IIHF tried to include them.  I was hoping that there would be something to follow up the statement by the IIHF to prevent others from misreading as this user has.  I don't read it that way, but perhaps others might.18abruce (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And FYI I have a world champion curler in my family but my focus on this sight has been primarily international hockey. Not sure why that would matter.18abruce (talk) 16:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Because we're dealing with a troll who, on form, responds routinely with invective and insult.   Ravenswing     18:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added a sourced statement that makes sure that the reader knows that it was the Soviets themselves who were responsible for not participating.18abruce (talk) 22:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


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Talk:Ice hockey at the 1964 Winter Olympics

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This tournament was a straight round robin, tsn.ca's explanation that the rule was supposed to be goal difference in the medal round is non-sensical. I cannot find anything official that states precisely what the rule was supposed to be, only that it was new, (the 1963 rule would still have put TCH ahead of CAN) and the only sourced rule that I have found that would have given Canada the bronze is goal differential amongst tied teams.18abruce (talk) 15:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The rule Canada expected to be used was goal differential among the top four teams.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 17:59, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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Canadian boycott
Not one word on the Canadian boycott of this part of the Olympics? Rather glaring. --Bobak (talk) 17:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Tone!
" the 1972 team could be called the "completely overlooked miracle." " Editorial melodrama. Please rewrite. (Collin237) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.178.208.37 (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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Short story collection

A short story collection is a book of short stories and/or novellas by a single author. A short story collection is distinguished from an anthology of fiction, which would contain work by several authors (e.g., Les Soirées de Médan). The stories in a collection may or may not share a tone, theme, setting, or characters with one another.

Composition of a collection
Short story collections are made up of smaller texts—the individual short stories—in order to form a superior whole. In spite of this, each short story does not lose any of its meaning or narrative independence by being included in a collection. This does not mean that short stories do not gain any new meaning from being included in a collection, though. Because each story's context has changed, surrounded by other stories with their own meanings and tones, the meaning and tone of any individual story might also be affected. In addition to the individual stories, short story collections may also include notes by the author.

The act of writing short stories is different from the act of gathering short stories into a collection. For instance, the short story author may or may not be the one who compiles the short story collection, even though the author penned the individual stories. This is especially obvious in the case of posthumous publications.

Note that short story collections should be considered different from traditional novels and other narratives because collections do not forward a cohesive storyline in the same way novels do. Instead, short story collections group individual pieces, each with their own narratives. If a short story collection as a whole has its own narrative, it is considered a short story cycle.

History of short story collections
Short story collections have their roots in medieval frame tale collections, growing into the postmodern narratives of the 1900s. Short story collections either can be authored traditionally by one person or evolve from oral, anonymous traditions that are finally penned by someone. An example of the latter would be Grimm's Fairy Tales. Short story collections can be published when the author is alive or they can be collected and published after the author is dead using the author's existing works.

Early Western short story collections include Marie of France's Lais and Giovanni Boccaccio's Decameron.

Uses for short story collections
From the producer side, short story collections are helpful economically to authors looking to publish. Because short stories are often less than fifty pages, putting them together can provide something that is more like the size of a novel. While short story collections are less popular than novels for consumers, they are purchased consistently. Short story collections have experienced a gradual increase in sales over the last decade, although most collections are not reprinted and do not sell more than 3,000 copies.

Aside from their entertainment value, short story collections can also be used for teaching. There are several potential applications for collections in the classroom. The first is the ability for students to quickly experience other cultures and traditions through a literary lens. Secondly, providing short story collections centered around a specific time creates an opportunity to encourage interest in historical studies. Teachers can also use short story collections as introduction or further exploration to a genre. By providing several works from that genre, students can get a feel of its conventions. Another potential use is to challenge students to evaluate and criticize literature by using short story collections as a jumping off point. The last idea is to use short story collections as a model for student writing since classical greats can be daunting or impossible for a student to replicate. However, newer, more bite-sized short story collections might be a good way for students to get the depth of exposure they need while not overwhelming them.

Notable short story collections
Short story collections can be divided into two general groups. The first is themed collections, which might share a character, setting, theme, or tone. This is different from a short story cycle in that the collection does not advance a cohesive narrative. The second is non-themed collections, a grouping in which each story has little literary similarity to the others. Following are notable collections from each group.

Themed collections

 * Grimm's Fairy Tales by Jakob and Wilhelm Grimm
 * Dubliners by James Joyce
 * Her Body and Other Parties by Carmen Maria Machado
 * The Moons of Jupiter by Alice Munro
 * Nine Stories by J.D. Salinger
 * What We Talk About When We Talk About Love by Raymond Carver
 * Brief Interviews with Hideous Men by David Foster Wallace

Non-themed collections

 * The Garden Party and Other Stories by Katherine Mansfield
 * Ficciones and El Aleph by Jorge Luis Borges
 * The Collected Stories by Ernest Hemingway
 * Nightfall and Other Stories by Isaac Asimov

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Talk:Jedi Academy

Um, shouldn't this point to the GAME? or at least be a disambiguation page [User:147.222.21.119|147.222.21.119]]

 * Fixed it.

I think we should probably change this to include all the incarations of the Jedi Acadamy from the first known accademy on Dantooine (KOTOR 1) to Luke's from the EU novels. --Pboyd04 20:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Agreed, although at the time of KOTOR I, there was also an academy on Corascant (if the player says "Isn't the Jedi Council on Coruscant?") -Xol 23:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Redirect
This article is entirely plot regurgitation. The topic has no assertion of notability. I'm redirecting it to Jedi. --EEMIV (talk) 18:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Restored the redirect per the AfD. More than enough time has lapsed for worthwhile content to be merged, and the edit history is there for any more stuff folks want to dredge up, cite, and migrate elsewhere. --EEMIV (talk) 14:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Ice hockey at the 1992 Winter Olympics

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The ice hockey competition was not held in Albertville! The "Halle olympique" of Albertville hosted the ice skating competition, but the hockey events were held in Méribel. See. olivier 09:25, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gertrude of Unholy Trinity

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 19:57, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Gertrude of Unholy Trinity
Pure adovocacy. Google returns no results. -- User:DuKot

There's a reason for that, "DuKot". Gertrude is a character in a movie. See

 * Delete. -- ran (talk) 19:46, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. -- Nonsense. Tufflaw 19:50, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Completely useless. -- Tony Jin | (talk) 23:36, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. Megan1967 06:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, reasons above go here. Master Thief Garrett 03:36, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Morristown National Historical Park

Morristown National Historical Park is a United States National Historical Park, headquartered in Morristown, New Jersey, consisting of four sites important during the American Revolutionary War: Jockey Hollow, Ford Mansion, Fort Nonsense, and Washington's Headquarters Museum.

The sites are located in Morristown and Harding Township, both in Morris County, and in Bernardsville in Somerset County.

With its establishment on March 2, 1933, Morristown became the country's first National Historical Park. On October 15, 1966, citing its significance in archeology, architecture, and military history, it was added to the National Register of Historic Places.

Sites
Jockey Hollow, a few miles south of Morristown, New Jersey along Route 202 in Harding Township, was the site of a Continental Army encampment. It was from here that the entire Pennsylvania contingent mutinied and later, 200 New Jersey soldiers attempted to emulate them.

Fort Nonsense occupied a high hilltop overlooking Morristown, and is believed to have been the site of a signal fire and earthworks.

Ford Mansion in Morristown was the site of the "hard winter" (December 1779 – May 1780) quarters of George Washington and the Continental Army. That winter remains the coldest on record for New Jersey. Theodosia Ford, widow of Jacob Ford Jr., and her four children shared their household with Washington, his staff, including Alexander Hamilton, their servants and sometimes their family members. Martha Washington traveled from Mount Vernon to Morristown to spend the winter with her husband.

Washington's Headquarters Museum, the adjacent museum is open to the public Wednesday thru Sunday from September–June and seven days a week from July- August from 9:30 AM to 5:00 PM. The museum has three exhibit rooms and a sales area. A video production, Morristown: Where America Survived (New Jersey Network, 2009) is shown. The Ford Mansion is shown only by guided tour, which begins in the museum.

The New Jersey Brigade Encampment Site is located south of Jockey Hollow in Bernardsville in Somerset County. It was the encampment for approximately 1,300 Continental Army soldiers over the 1779-1780 winter.

Park history
In April 1932, the National Park Service (NPS) published a report recommending that the site of the Continental Army's winter encampments in 1776-77 and 1779-80 become a Federal Historical Reserve; the report recommended including two sites, Jockey Hollow and the Ford Mansion.

In January 1933, a conference including NPS representatives, the U.S. Secretary of the Interior, and civic and business leaders from the Morris County area, drafted a bill supporting the creation of a national historical park, with "the rank and dignity equal to the scenic program in the West."

The bill for creating the Morristown National Historical Park was submitted to Congress in mid-January (H.R. 14302; S. 5469) and was supported by U.S. Secretary of the Interior Ray Lyman Wilbur, who called it "the most important park project before this department at the present time."

In March 1933, in the last days of Herbert Hoover's presidency, the 72nd Congress established Morristown as the country's first National Historical Park.

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Talk:Rick Nash

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"The 41 goals made Nash the first player since Wayne Gretzky to score over 40 goals in the National Hockey League as a teenager."

Actually, Jimmy Carson scored 55 goals when he was 19 years old during the 87–88 season. There may be others as well.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=845

The club is considering trading Nash
I think this is a notable fact in his career that should be added to the article. The source is The Columbus Dispatch and the cite to use is here 98.28.12.216 (talk). And the Associated Press has a small sentence on it 98.28.12.216 (talk) 13:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC) ✅ --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 17:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Does this not fail WP:NOTNEWS? I mean any player at any time could potentially be considered for a trade. Ravendrop 20:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Incorrect personal life info
not sure how wikipedia works since I'm only here after talking with a friend but the section concerning her kids is incorrect. dylan is her only son with gerry st. cyr, dakoda was with her second husband? idk? someone else. sorry i know this is probably not the place to put this but i figured somebody should know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.21.86.144 (talk) 18:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

 * i just realized i should add, if you actually read the article linked after the two kids are mentioned, the article only refers to dylan as gerry's son. 35.21.86.144 (talk) 18:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

If only
Did she actually play in any other "official" NHL exhibition game than the 20 minutes (allowing two goals) against St. Louis in 1992? The article claimed two games against STL that year and one against Boston a year later, but as far as I know this is not correct. --91.153.152.225 (talk) 13:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Photo
A regular portrait type photo would also be useful, since a goalie's gear's appearance changes with the team. -- 70.24.249.80 (talk) 07:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Infobox
Recommend a note in the infobox, pointing out that Rheaume didn't play any regular season or playoff games in the NHL. GoodDay (talk) 12:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't really think that is necessary since it says that in the article. But I suppose it can't hurt. -DJSasso (talk) 13:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Theodore Ayrault Dodge

Theodore Ayrault Dodge (May 28, 1842 – October 26, 1909) was an American officer, military historian, and businessman. He fought as a Union officer in the American Civil War; as a writer, he was devoted to both the Civil War and the great generals of ancient and European history.

Early life
Born in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, he received a military education in Berlin and attended University College London and the University of Heidelberg. Returning to the United States in 1861, he promptly enlisted as a private in the New York volunteer infantry. Over the course of the Civil War, he rose to the rank of brevet lieutenant-colonel, losing the lower portion of his right leg at the Battle of Gettysburg. He served at the War Department from 1864 and was commissioned in the regular army in 1866. In 1870, he retired with the rank of major, after which he lived in Boston.

Retirement and death
He invested in various enterprises to manufacture hydraulic hoses, but they failed. Based on a novel tubular loom invented by James E. Gillespie and Robert Cowen, he founded the Boston Woven Hose and Rubber Company in 1884. He later moved to Paris, where he died. He was buried at Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, Virginia.

Literary career
His works on the Civil War include The Campaign of Chancellorsville (1881) and Bird's Eye View of the Civil War (1883). From 1890 to 1907, he also published twelve volumes of his History of the Art of War: Alexander, Hannibal, Caesar, Gustavus Adolphus, Frederick the Great, Napoleon, although the volumes on Frederick the Great were not completed before his death. The work has been broken up into individual biographies for modern publication. In addition, his military journal, covering his time with the Army of the Potomac from the Seven Days Battles to Gettysburg, has recently been compiled and published by noted historian Stephen W. Sears under the title On Campaign with the Army of the Potomac: The Civil War Journal of Theodore Ayrault Dodge.

Selected works

 * Originally published: Boston : Houghton, Mifflin, 1890.
 * Originally published: New York : Houghton, Mifflin and company, 1892.
 * Originally published: Boston : Houghton, Mifflin, 1895.
 * Originally published: Boston : Houghton, Mifflin, 1895.
 * Originally published: Boston : Houghton, Mifflin, 1895.

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Culture of South America

The culture of South America draws on diverse cultural traditions. These include the native cultures of the peoples that inhabited the continents prior to the arrival of the Europeans; European cultures, brought mainly by the Spanish, the Portuguese and the French; African cultures, whose presence derives from a long history of New World slavery; and the United States, particularly via mass culture such as cinema and TV.

Religions
Roman Catholicism is the dominant religion (over 80%-70% in Hispanic countries, some 65% in Brazil). French Guiana also has a large number of Protestants. Guyana and Suriname are exceptions, with three major religions: Christianity in general, Hinduism, and Islam. In lowland South America, as well as the Andes, animism and shamanism are common, as noted among the Urarina of Peruvian Amazonia.

Languages
Portuguese and Spanish are the primary languages of the continent. The majority of South Americans (more than 50%) speak Portuguese. However, most South American countries are Spanish-speaking, and nearly all of the continent's lusophones reside in Brazil. Among other languages used by many South Americans are:

 * Aymara in Bolivia and Peru.
 * Quechua in Bolivia, Ecuador, and Peru.
 * Urarina in Peruvian Amazonia
 * Wayuu in Venezuela and Colombia.
 * Guaraní in Paraguay.
 * English in Guyana.
 * Hakka in Suriname.
 * Hindi in Guyana and Suriname.
 * Dutch and Indonesian in Suriname.
 * French in French Guiana
 * Italian, German and Welsh in certain pockets across southern South America, such as Brazil, Uruguay, Chile & Argentina.
 * Japanese in Peru and Brazil.

Music
South American nations have a rich variety of music. Some of the most famous genres include samba from Brazil, tango from Argentina & Uruguay, and cumbia from Colombia.

Art
Beyond the rich tradition of indigenous art, the development of South American visual art owed much to the influence of Spanish, Portuguese and French Baroque painting, which in turn often followed the trends of the Italian Masters. In general, this artistic Eurocentrism began to fade in the early twentieth century, as South Americans began to acknowledge the uniqueness of their condition and started to follow their own path.

Cuisine
Because of South America's ethnic mix, South American cuisine takes on European, American Indian, and African influences. The Bahia state (in Brazil) is especially well known for its West African-influenced cuisine. Peru is especially well known for its ethnic mix influences like African, American Indian, European, Chinese, Japanese, and others.

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Talk:Henrik Sedin

Date format
This article's been recently changed to international date formatting. I reverted the change a couple times, but the editor was very convinced that this was the proper format for the article and mentioned that this has been the convention for some time. As far as I understand his reasoning, it is because Henrik was born in Sweden, which I think seems reasonable and logical, but I simply just find it strange as there is no precedent for it in any other internationally-born NHL player I have encountered on Wikipedia. My understanding of WP:Date is that if the topic of the article has strong ties to an English-speaking country, then the date formatting should abide by that. If applied to Henrik, I think the fact he plays in Canada and the NHL (a North American league) takes priority over his Swedish heritage, because Sweden is not the English-speaking country here. Anybody else have thoughts? Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 23:25, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well we do speak English in Sweden too. Interesting discussion you two had on your talk page, personally I prefer the US date format, both in English speech and writing, but the international date format is most common in Sweden so that's what I would use in the article, since I believe the national ties for the Sedins are with Sweden and not Canada. Besides, Canada uses the international date format too, right? —Krm500 (Communicate!) 02:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say that most of Canada uses the US standard (month day) over the international standard (day month). But really, I don't think anyone would really be confused with either. Kaiser matias (talk) 02:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, and as I said I'm certainly not the one to use the international standard myself (except for the 2010-05-09 format). IMO WP:RETAIN applies perfectly in this situation. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 03:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Henrik may have National ties to Sweden, but isn't he employed in Canada and earns a living in Canadian or US dollars? I doubt the date on his paycheck is in the international standard because he's Swedish. Either way there should be a Wikipedia-wide consensus for birth dates etc. so that arguments like this don't take up time and space. --66.252.146.130 (talk) 15:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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David Bader (computer scientist)

David A. Bader (born May 4, 1969) is a Distinguished Professor and Director of the Institute for Data Science at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. Previously, he served as the Chair of the Georgia Institute of Technology School of Computational Science & Engineering, where he was also a founding professor, and the executive director of High-Performance Computing at the Georgia Tech College of Computing. In 2007, he was named the first director of the Sony Toshiba IBM Center of Competence for the Cell Processor at Georgia Tech.

Bader has served on the Computing Research Association's board of directors, the National Science Foundation's advisory committee on cyberinfrastructure, and on IEEE Computer Society's board of governors. He is an expert in the design and analysis of parallel and multicore algorithms for real-world applications such as those in cybersecurity and computational biology. His main areas of research are at the intersection of high-performance computing and real-world applications, including cybersecurity, massive-scale analytics, and computational genomics. Bader built the first Linux supercomputer using commodity processors and a high-speed interconnection network.

Bader is an IEEE Fellow, an AAAS Fellow, SIAM Fellow, and an ACM Fellow. He has won awards from IBM, Microsoft Research, Nvidia, Facebook, Intel, Accenture, and Sony. He has served on numerous conference program committees related to parallel processing and has edited numerous journals. In 2018, Bader was recognized as one of the most impactful authors in the history of the IEEE International Conference on High-Performance Computing, Data, and Analytics (HiPC).

Early life and education
Bader was born on May 4, 1969, in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, the son of chemistry professor Morris Bader and his wife Karen. He is an Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts of America, earning the rank in 1985. Bader graduated from Liberty High School in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania in 1987.

He received a B.S. in computer engineering in 1990 and an M.S. in electrical engineering in 1991 from Lehigh University in Bethlehem. He then received a Ph.D. in electrical engineering in 1996 from the University of Maryland, College Park. While at UMD in 1992, Bader was awarded a NASA Graduate Student Researchers Fellowship by Gerald Soffen, project scientist for the Viking missions to Mars at Goddard Space Flight Center.

Career
Bader was hired as an assistant professor and Regents' Lecturer in the electrical and computer engineering department at the University of New Mexico (UNM) in 1998. In 2003, he was elected chair of the IEEE Computer Society's technical committee on parallel processing. Bader remained at UNM until 2005, when he accepted a position with the College of Computing at Georgia Tech. Shortly after arriving at Georgia Tech, Bader began working, along with several other faculty members, to establish a School of Computational Science and Engineering at Georgia Tech. Two years later, in 2007, these efforts resulted in the school's establishment as an official academic unit, and Bader became a full professor in 2008 as one of the school's founding faculty. Richard M. Fujimoto was named the school's first chair, and Bader was later named the second chair of the school of CSE in July 2014. He served in that role until his term expired in June 2019.

Bader was involved in a number of research partnerships between Georgia Tech and the public and private sectors. In November 2006, Sony, Toshiba, and IBM selected Bader to direct the first Center of Competence for the Cell Processor. In 2010, Bader was a lead investigator on the Nvidia Echelon project, a $25 million DARPA Award through the Ubiquitous High Performance Computing (UHPC) program. The four-year research collaboration with Nvidia covered work to develop new GPU technologies required to build the new class of exascale supercomputers. Bader and his lab partnered with Nvidia again in April 2019 to develop data analytics solutions for their GPUs.

In 2011, Bader began working with the Georgia Tech Research Institute on the Proactive Discovery of Insider Threats Using Graph Analysis and Learning (PRODIGAL) project. On July 29, 2015, President Barack Obama announced the National Strategic Computing Initiative (NSCI). Bader was invited by the White House on October 20–21, 2015, to serve as a panelist at the White House's National Strategic Computing Initiative (NSCI) Workshop. Following this, the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) invited Bader to serve as a panelist at the NITRD High End Computing (HEC) Interagency Working Group (IWG) and Big Data Senior Steering Group (SSG) "Supercomputing and Big Data: From Collision to Convergence" Panel, at the 27th IEEE and ACM Supercomputing Conference (SC15) in Austin, Texas, on November 18, 2015. On July 29, 2016, Bader was an invited attendee to the White House's National Strategic Computing Initiative (NSCI) Anniversary Workshop. Bader also co-founded the Graph500 List in 2015 for benchmarking "Big Data" computing platforms.

Bader was elected as an IEEE Fellow in 2009. He served as the Editor-in-Chief of the IEEE Transactions on Parallel and Distributed Systems (TPDS), from 2013 to 2017 and serves as an Associate Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of Parallel and Distributed Computing (JPDC). Bader has been an associate editor of IEEE Transactions on Parallel and Distributed Systems, IEEE DSOnline, Parallel Computing, and the ACM Journal of Experimental Algorithmics, and has published over 250 articles in peer reviewed journals and conferences. In October 2018, Bader was named Editor-in-Chief of ACM Transactions on Parallel Computing.

In July 2019, Bader joined the New Jersey Institute of Technology as a Distinguished Professor in the Ying Wu College of Computing Sciences and was named the first director of the school's new Institute for Data Science. The institute combines existing research centers in big data, medical informatics, and cybersecurity at NJIT and conducts both basic and applied research. In May 2020, Bader joined the leadership team of the NSF-sponsored Northeast Big Data Innovation Hub as its inaugural seed fund steering committee chair.

Bader is the 2021 General Co-chair of the IEEE International Symposium on Parallel and Distributed Computing Symposium (IPDPS).

First Linux supercomputer
Bader is credited with the development of the first Linux supercomputer using commodity parts. In 1998, while at the University of New Mexico, Bader sought to build a supercomputer running Linux using consumer off-the-shelf parts and a high-speed low-latency interconnection network. The prototype utilized an Alta Technologies "AltaCluster" of eight dual, 333 MHz, Intel Pentium II computers running a modified Linux kernel. Bader ported a significant amount of software to provide Linux support for necessary components as well as code from members of the National Computational Science Alliance (NCSA) to ensure interoperability, as none of it had been run on Linux previously. Using the successful prototype design, he led the development of "RoadRunner," the first Linux supercomputer for open use by the national science and engineering community via the National Science Foundation's National Technology Grid. RoadRunner was put into production use in April 1999. At the time of its deployment, it was considered one of the 100 fastest supercomputers in the world. Though Linux-based clusters using consumer-grade parts, such as Beowulf, existed prior to the development of Bader's prototype and RoadRunner, they lacked the scalability, bandwidth, and parallel computing capabilities to be considered "true" supercomputers.

Soon after RoadRunner went into production, Bader led the technical design of "LosLobos," the first-ever Linux production system built by IBM. IBM turned Bader's design into the industry's first pre-assembled and pre-configured Linux server cluster for business. Today, all of the world's top 500 supercomputers are Linux HPC systems. A study by Hyperion Research estimates that the use of these supercomputers in product development in the automotive, aircraft, and pharmaceutical industries has generated an economic value of over $100 trillion in 25 years. Steve Wallach, a National Academy of Engineering (NAE) member and Seymour Cray Computer Engineering Award recipient, remarked that Bader's technical contributions and leadership are "one of the most significant technical foundations of HPC." Larry Smarr, a UC San Diego Distinguished Professor Emeritus, founding director of the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, and NAE member also cited Bader's early and continuing contributions to the development of Linux HPC as having "enormous historic resonance."

The Computer History Museum recognizes Bader on its Timeline of Computer History for developing the first Linux supercomputer in 1998. "Within a decade this design became the predominant architecture for all major supercomputers in the world."

Awards and recognitions
2005
 * NSF CAREER Award

2006
 * IBM Faculty Award for making fundamental contributions to the design and optimization of parallel scientific libraries for multicore processors.

2007
 * Georgia Tech College of Computing Dean's Award

2009
 * IEEE Fellow

2010
 * In June 2010, Intel supported Bader's research on graph analytics with a 3-year award from the Intel Labs Academic Research Office for the Parallel Algorithms for Non-Numeric Computing Program.
 * Golden Core Member of the IEEE Computer Society
 * IEEE Computer Society Meritorious Service Award

2011
 * AAAS Fellow
 * InsideHPC "Rock Star of High Performance Computing"

2012
 * HPCWire "People to Watch"
 * University of Maryland's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering presented Bader as the first recipient of their Distinguished Alumni Award.

2013
 * IEEE Computer Society's Technical Committee on Parallel Processing Outstanding Service Award

2014
 * Georgia Tech College of Computing Outstanding Senior Faculty Research Award
 * HPCWire "People to Watch"

2015
 * Accenture Open Innovation Award.

2016
 * IBM Faculty Award in Big Data / Analytics for optimizing graph analytics for cognitive computing.

2019
 * SIAM Fellow
 * Facebook AI System Hardware/Software Co-Design Research Award to develop "high-performance AI solutions for existing as well as future AI hardware."

2021
 * ROI-NJ recognized Bader on its inaugural list of technology influencers.
 * IEEE Computer Society Sidney Fernbach Award "For the development of Linux-based massively parallel production computers and for pioneering contributions to scalable discrete parallel algorithms for real-world applications."
 * ACM Fellow "For contributions to high-performance computing systems, graph analytics, and technical leadership in parallel computing."

2022
 * ROI-NJ Technology Influencer
 * Innovation Hall of Fame, University of Maryland A. James Clark School of Engineering

Personal life
Bader has one child, Sage, who is an avid artist.

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Talk:Vincent Lecavalier

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He was born in Ile Bizard? Did anyone check that fact? Unless it was a home birth, Ile Bizard is pretty far from any hospital. Misterjerk2 (talk) 02:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

10.19.07 --Does anybody know the accuracy of the claim that he was an extra in Happy Gilmore? It seems like either IMdB or Wikipedia are copying each other verbatim, but I haven't seen any independent confirmation and IMdB isn't always accurate. This thread on hockeyfights.com has what they think is a screen cap of him, but I don't think it's the same person; it doesn't look like other pictures I've seen of him at that age. I'm not going to take it out, and I'm not intending on stalking Vinny so I can ask him personally if it's true, but I think that without independent confirmation of some kind, it probably needs to be removed. KB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.180.38.35 (talk) 07:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Stripping of Captaincy
Wait a sec, we've got 2 reasons given for this. Which is correct? Management viewing Lecavalier as too young or Tortorella's considering Lecavalier being non-accoutable. GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Can we get a new picture?
Seriously, what is he, 19 in this one? I tried uploading one before but it got switched back.

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Sprotected
Semiprotected for 24 hours, speculation on a Montreal trade, but nothing announced yet -- Samir 01:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Game 5, Stanley Cup Final 2007
I don't see the point in calling the own-goal cup clinching. I am also not interested in edit warring over it, so I open the field to anyone interested to comment. Thanks!--Xnuala (talk)(Review) 00:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been explained that in hockey the team that scores one more goal than the opponent wins. Therefore, it doesn't matter what the final score is, 6-2, 10-2, or 20-2. The 3rd goal by Anaheim was the game- and Cup-winning goal, because Ottawa managed to score only two goals themselves. Had Ottawa scored 3 goals, the game-winning goal would've been the 4th goal scored by Anaheim.Jmj713 17:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Moreover, the NHL even tracks the game-winning stat, which you can see here, for example: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/stats/bycategory?cat=Offense&conference=NHL&year=season_2006&sort=9

In addition, Moen has officially been credited with the GWG in the June 6th Game 5: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3239:

Jmj713 18:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Given that information (thank-you, by the way), I'm comfortable with it being described as game-winning. Cup-clinching is a bit POV.--Xnuala (talk)(Review) 00:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Cup-clinching here is synonymous. It was that goal that won the game, and the game won the series, which won the Cup. Jmj713 14:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Synonymous yes, true yes. I don't dispute these facts in the least.  However, I think it is not a neutral way of stating the fact, and therefore not appropriate in an encyclopedia article.--Xnuala (talk)(Review) 22:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

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Possible error
!!! I believe the sums should start at n,m=1, not at n,m=0! Please check and correct, whoever wrote this!

Wrong "proof"
This "proof" is seriously lacking in many ways.

When someone writes:

\frac{\sin(x)}{x} = k \left(1 - \frac{x}{\pi}\right)\left(1 + \frac{x}{\pi}\right)\left(1 - \frac{x}{2\pi}\right)\left(1 + \frac{x}{2\pi}\right)\left(1 - \frac{x}{3\pi}\right)\left(1 + \frac{x}{3\pi}\right) \cdots $$
 * where k is a constant.

 * First show that the right hand side of the equality is a holomorfic function (just like the left hand side). This should not be hard.

 * Most importantly the assertion that k is constant is not necessarily true. Assuming the previous point, you have 2 holomorphic functions that share the same roots with the same order, and thus all you can say is that their quotient is another holomorphic function with no zeros. You haven't proved that this function is constant. In this particular case it is but the justification is lacking.

If you have any doubts, apply the same reasoning to $$e^z \frac{\sin(z)}{z}$$ and reach the conclusion that both $$e^z \frac{\sin(z)}{z}$$ and $$\frac{\sin(z)}{z}$$ have the same infinite product expansion and are thus equal, resulting in $$e^z = 1, \forall_{z\in\mathbb{C}}$$ which is absurd.

Cláudio Valente 12:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

 * In fact, your first equation is incorrect. Or rather, it is ambiguous.  The equation
 * $$\sin(x) = x\prod_{n = 1}^\infty\left(1 - \frac{x^2}{n^2\pi^2}\right)$$
 * is true, but you cannot factor those terms unless you keep them together; that is, the product
 * $$x\prod_{n = -\infty}^\infty\left(1 - \frac{x}{n\pi}\right)$$
 * does not converge. You need a "correction factor", which is part of the theory of Weierstrass products.  However, a proof of this identity is unnecessary in this article, since the result is true and part of a different topic.  Given it, the rest of the "wrong proof" here is actually right. Ryan Reich (talk) 16:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

In view of the serious flaws that the "proof" given in this article, should not it be considered for deletion/overhaul? 210.212.55.3 (talk) 18:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Order of Factors
Suppose we write
 * $$W_n=\frac{2}{1}\cdot\frac{2}{3}\cdot\frac{4}{3}\cdot\frac{4}{5}\cdots\frac{2n}{2n-1}\cdot\frac{2n}{2n+1}$$

Then

\begin{align} \ln(W_n)&=\ln\left(\frac{2}{1}\right) + \ln\left(\frac{2}{3}\right) + \ln\left(\frac{4}{3}\right) + \ln\left(\frac{4}{5}\right) + \ln\left(\frac{6}{5}\right)+\dots + \ln\left(\frac{2n}{2n-1}\right) + \ln\left(\frac{2n}{2n+1}\right)\\ &=\ln\left(\frac{2}{1}\right) - \ln\left(\frac{3}{2}\right) + \ln\left(\frac{4}{3}\right) - \ln\left(\frac{5}{4}\right) + \ln\left(\frac{6}{5}\right) - \dots + \ln\left(\frac{2n}{2n-1}\right) - \ln\left(\frac{2n+1}{2n}\right)\\ \end{align} $$

where, in the last line, all the logs are positive.

For the sum of the magnitudes of these terms, we have

\sum_{r=1}^{2n} \ln\left(\frac{r+1}{r}\right)>\int_{1}^{2n}\ln\left(\frac{x+1}{x}\right)\,dx=2n\ln\left(\frac{2n+1}{2n}\right)+\ln\left(\frac{2n+1}{4}\right) $$ Both of the terms in the result of the integration are positive and the second clearly diverges as $$n \rightarrow \infty $$; so, therefore, must our sum of magnitudes. $$\ln(W_n)$$ is thus conditionally convergent. By suitably ordering its terms, we can therefore make it converge to any real value and it follows that, by ordering its factors, $$W_n$$ can be made to converge to any positive real number. Any proof of the Wallis formula which fails to take into explicit account the order of the factors would thus appear to be spurious. IanHH (talk) 16:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Infinity Factorial

 * Using zeta function regularization,
 * $$-\zeta'(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{\ln n}{n^s}$$
 * Plugging in $$s=0$$ gives:
 * $$-\zeta'(0)=\frac{1}{2} \ln\left(2 \pi\right)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \ln n=\ln \prod_{n=1}^\infty n=\ln(\infty!)$$
 * $$\Rightarrow \infty!=\sqrt {2 \pi}$$

This is wrong. It is wrong because the series definition of $$\zeta'(s)$$ is divergent at 0. Therefore, it cannot be used to calculate the value of $$\zeta'(0)$$ and is not equivalent to its actual value, $$\frac{1}{2} \ln\left(2 \pi\right)$$. In other words, $$\frac{1}{2} \ln\left(2 \pi\right)\neq\sum_{n=1}^\infty \ln n$$. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.80.198.94 (talk) 01:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Connections to the energy levels of the hydrogen atom
In the last weeks there has been a lot of media hype about the paper by T. Friedmann and C.R. Hagen and it is not really surprising that this media hype also translates into the modifications of this wikipedia article that you can now see in the version history. Having read the paper I am convinced that it should not enter this article. Though the authors of the paper state otherwise, it looks artificially constructed and it does not show "striking connections between well-established physics and pure mathematics" as they state in the paper.

In the paper the authors introduce an artificial test wave function with an unphysical radial behavior. Of course, with this function they do not obtain the well-known energy eigenvalues of the hydrogen atom. They then investigate the limit of high angular momentum quantum numbers and show that in this limit the difference between the real energy eigenvalues and the those from the unphysical test function disappears. By realating the two values to each other they thus obtain an equation with a 1 on the left hand side and some other expression on the right hand side. The expression on the right hand side strongly depends on their choice of the test wave function, but it can be expected that the 1 on the left hand side can be kept also with other test wave functions. In the end they reshape this formula to obtain the Wallis product. With a different test wave function they would have obtained some other identity.

In conclusion, their paper does not show anything about physics or a certain connection between physics and mathematics, but only how their unphysical test wave function relates to the real wave function in a certain limit.

In my opinion everything about the paper should be removed from this article. It is completely irrelevant. Furthermore the way it is now included in the article is not appropriate for an article on a mathematical topic. Other parts of the article are detailed derivations of certain aspects of this formula. For this paper there is only a vague statement and 6 (!!) references for this statement. Some of these references are word by word identical, the paper is included twice: On arxiv.org and on the journal web page. This does not make sense as it is open access and not behind some paywall.

I would like to read other opinions about the inclusion of the paper into this article. I will not start an edit war by removing it on my own, but I hope that we end up with some consesus how to deal with it.

GreSebMic (talk) 18:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

 * This reference was removed by an IP with edit summary "Removed self-promoting references, see critique at https://motls.blogspot.com/2015/11/pi-found-in-hydrogen-atom.html" reading the linked article it not that savage a critique. More that is been overhyped in the press. Our text
 * "In 2015 researchers C. R. Hagen and Tamar Friedmann, in a surprise discovery, found the same formula in quantum mechanical calculations of the energy levels of a hydrogen atom"
 * isn't particularly hyped.
 * So should we include a reference to the paper or not?--Salix alba (talk): 06:27, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

"sine function", or "sinc function"?
You say "Wallis' product is, in retrospect, an easy corollary of the later Euler formula for the sine function", and then "Proof using Euler's infinite product for the sine function". Would it be more accurate to say "sinc function" in each case, because you're using the function "sin(x)/x", not just "sin(x)"? Ross Finlayson (talk) 23:24, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

 * The two are essentially equivalent (each can be trivially derived from the other), so I think it's probably fine as is. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's probably 'fine' as is - but is it 'best' as is? E.g., the title says "Proof using Euler's infinite product for the sine function", but - strictly speaking - the infinite product is for the sinc function, not the sine function.  Would it not be marginally clearer to replace "sine" with "sinc" in both of the cases that I noted? Ross Finlayson (talk) 01:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Considering that the sinc function is less well-known than the ordinary sine function, no. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 01:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't find this argument convincing, because although sinc is indeed less well-known than sine, the whole purpose of Wikipedia is to be precise, and explain less well-known topics using text and links. (It sounds like you were really just searching for a reason to justify the status quo.)  Not having heard any better arguments, I went ahead and made the change. Ross Finlayson (talk) 07:00, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's purpose is not "to be precise". There's a difference between being precise and being pedantic anyway, and the status quo was already correct and better.  That the product is given slightly rearranged doesn't change how it's generally referred to.  Please just drop this one.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 12:10, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

request for addition regarding "Osler Product"
Here is a suggested addition to the content, with reference. I have requested similar text be added to the page Thomas J. Osler and Viète's formula.

In 1999, American mathematician Thomas J. Osler discovered that Viète's formula (1593) and the Wallis product are two special cases of a more general infinite product, which has been referred to as the Osler product by Arndt and Haenel, according to whom: "The Osler product [which takes a parameter $$p$$] turns into the Viète product as $$p$$ tends to infinity, and is equal to the Wallis product when $$p = 0$$. In the intermediate cases $$p = 1$$, $$p = 2$$, etc., we obtain combined Viète- and Wallis-like products"

Will an appropriate editor please make this addition? I have a COI. Thank you! Skymath1 (talk) 04:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Suggest we consolidate any discussion at Talk:Viète's formula. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Skopje

Usage of "Macedonian"
There is a push to remove the usage of "North Macedonian" from Wikipedia by certain editors for ideological or personal reasons, and replace it with "Macedonian", even in geographical references where the reader has no way to know whether the reference is to the country or the region. I did what is often done in such cases, and, so as not to cause conflict with any editors, paraphrased the text so there is no need for "North Macedonian" to be used. But, because I was the one to do it and certain editors have a personal bias against me, it seems we are changing the stable version of the article in order to force adjectival forms everywhere, and have that form be "Macedonian" even where it makes no sense. --Antondimak (talk) 17:17, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, no. There is a push to remove the usage of "Macedonian" from Wikipedia by certain editors for ideological or personal reasons, and replace it with "North Macedonian". The worst of those editors is you. There is no reason to remove "Macedonian" in cases where it has been used before, and there is no need to use "North Macedonian" in cases where it hasn't, because, as you will finally have to get it through you head, we can use both. Obsessively messing around with these, as you have been doing, is disruptive. Go and find something else to obsess about. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:42, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * We can use none if that's the issue, I have no obsession with "North Macedonia". In my edit which you reverted, I didn't use "North Macedonia" even once. Specifically when referring to "the est in North Macedonia", especially when it's something geographic (railway connections, highways) there is no way for the reader to understand whether you're referring to the country or the region. The phrase "daily trains also link Skopje with other Macedonian towns" could also mean "daily trains also link Skopje with other towns in Macedonia" (region) or "daily trains also link Skopje with other towns in North Macedonia". The phrase in the stable version of the article was "daily trains also link Skopje with other North Macedonian towns", which is unambiguous. Since there are users with an ideological opposition to "North Macedonian", I changed it to "daily trains also link Skopje with other towns in the country", which is also unambiguous. This was reverted in favour of the ambiguous version. This is but one minor example of the problem. --Antondimak (talk) 19:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For anyone else in the discussion who could be given the wrong idea by your comment, I don't and haven't been replacing "Macedonian" with "North Macedonian" anywhere. I'm just defending the stable version of the article (which used both terms appropriately) from an ideological attempt to change all instances of "North Macedonian" to "Macedonian", introducing ambiguities. In fact, at this point I'm defending my attempt to compromise by giving in to the demand to remove "North Macedonian" by paraphrasing the text in a way that it remains unambiguous. --Antondimak (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I had to intervene and restore the last stable version as there is no WP:CONSENSUS for the recent edits. If editors feel their edit is right, they should discuss it here and gain a new consensus before restoring these edits back to the article. Last, everyone is reminded that the article Skopje falls under WP:BALKANS discretionary sanctions and editors should avoid edit warring. Until the dispute is resolved, none should make further edits of this kind. Edit warring only weakens your positions; doesn't make them stronger. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 04:19, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you accidentally restored a version in the middle of edit warring. This is actually the last stable version. The controversial change was made on 19 February 2022, changing what had been stable for years. --Antondimak (talk) 07:45, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, the version I restored is because the edit in the said paragraph (about towns), wasn't in line with WP:MOSMAC. However the other edits in the paragraph about economy, such as "Macedonian GPD" wasn't really against MOSMAC, which (fortunately or unfortunately), permits the use of terms such as "Macedonian Economy" even though the economy is about North Macedonia, and not about the economy of the broader region of Macedonia. If you still believe that the recent changes to GPD's paragraph may cause confusion, let me know and I will revert them, or at least the first instance of that word, for purposes of resolving issues of ambiguity, if you are happy with that. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 13:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I don't think this is ambiguous, which is why I didn't change it back to "North Macedonian". I do think this interpretation of this specific part of MOSMAC goes against the spirit of the RFC (which, if you remember, showed (by analysis of reliable sources) that adjectival references to the country should be "North Macedonian", and both "Macedonian" and "North Macedonian" could be used in edge cases where there is no clear reference to either the country or the culture). I think it would be better if we used neither "Macedonian" or "North Macedonian" in these cases to avoid controversy, as I did in my edit, but again I don't think it's ambiguous in this case. --Antondimak (talk) 14:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Venus Punica's dating
The Venus Punica presented in the article dates back four centuries before the stated one, on the photo. It is dated in the second century BC (NOT AD) and this is the paper on this link provided (second page, second paragraph): http://periodica.fzf.ukim.edu.mk/fab/FAB_02_(2012)/FAB%2002.22.%20Ončevska%20Todorovska,%20M.%20-%20The%20Statue%20of%20Venus%20Pudica%20from%20Scupi.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnvss (talk • contribs) 16:00, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You perhaps did not read the linked article as carefully as needed, since on p. 355, the author clearly states: "The statue of Venus from Skupi was produced in the 2nd century AD by a leading sculptor of the Praxiteles school." Any other dates in the article refer to the historical lore of Venus, dating to the 2nd century BCE, but the statue itself is dated to the 2nd century AD. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Albanian theory in the name section/POV pushing
The names section implies that the city acquired it's Slavic and Turkish variant from Proto-Albanian, the idea that Skopje comes from Proto Albanian is one fringe theory that is not accepted by anyone really. This is blatant POV pushing as the theory has a huge number of problems.

> '''It was adopted into the Slavic form following Proto-Albanian phonetic rules. Thus Scupi became "Skopje", and later "Üsküb" (Ottoman Turkish: اسكوب) for the Turks'''

This part also uses (https://web.archive.org/web/20090512232543/http://www.skopje.gov.mk/EN/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=46) as a citation despite this citation not having any mention of Skopje coming from Scupi. This is pure and blatant pov pushing.

The difference between Škup and Skopje is immense but the difference between Aromanian and Greek Skopia/Scopia is far more similar which is a much more probable way in which slavic Skopje/Skopie developed than from Proto-Albanian considering Greek and Latin were the official languages of the Eastern Roman Empire, if both Skopje and Shkupi developed from the same proto language the similarities would be far higher. There is no need for pushing fringe unaccepted theories in the naming section which imply the issue is settled which it is not.

GoofyGoofyson (talk) 22:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I mean the Middle Ages section of the city says that the city was sacked by the Slavs in the 6th century and uninhabited until the 7/8th century when it was again settled by the Byzantines after which it fell to the Bulgarians. Who would these supposed proto-Albanians have been and where and at which time would they have lived for the Slavs to adopt a naming convention from them? Skopia > Skopie > Skopje is a far more logical evolution then Scupi > Shkup > Skopje
 * >At that time, the region was threatened by the Barbarian invasions, and the city inhabitants had already fled in forests and mountains before the disaster occurred. The city was eventually rebuilt by Justinian I. During his reign, many Byzantine towns were relocated on hills and other easily defendable places to face invasions. It was thus transferred on another site: the promontory on which stands the fortress. However, Scupi was sacked by Slavs at the end of the 6th century and the city seems to have fallen under Slavic rule in 595. The Slavic tribe which sacked Scupi were probably the Berziti, who had invaded the entire Vardar valley. However the Slavs did not settle permanently in the region that had been already plundered and depopulated, but continued south to the Mediterranean coast. After the Slavic invasion it was deserted for some time and is not mentioned during the following centuries. Perhaps in the late 7th or the early 8th century the Byzantines have again settled at this strategic location. Along with the rest of Upper Vardar valley it became part of the expanding First Bulgarian Empire in the 830s
 * GoofyGoofyson (talk) 22:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I didn't find support in the City of Skopje citation either. I can't access the Matzinger source to see what that says. -- Local hero talk 04:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I don't think we need to argue the actual merits of the case, that would essentially be original linguistic research. We should just go with the sources published by linguists. However, I want to point out that the Greek and Aromanian names are identical, it's just that Greek usually uses a form of romanisation that makes it look different. The Skopje < Skopie transition is also probably purely a matter of spelling, as Greek "ia" was already pronounced as "ja", in these contexts, by that period. So it would essentially be /Skopje/ < /Skopja/.
 * Skopje doesn't seem to be mentioned in the Matzinger source. Just some general discussion of the Balkan sprachbund and Albanian phonetic rules on Latin loans. I would assume the original editor took those rules and came to the conclusion that Skopje follows them, but that doesn't seem to be right. I don't think the rules in that section even explain Shkup < Scupi. --Antondimak (talk) 20:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If the Matzinger source does not seem to mention Skopje in the citations then should the whole paragraph about Skopje being introduced into Slavic from Proto-Albanian be removed? Perhaps a quatation be added if the citation is even relevant to the city of Skopje or it's etymology? The reason i bring this up is because there is constant POV pushing on similar pages, for example in the Struga page there was an ongoing edit war and vandalism which claimed the name of the city came from the Albanian word "Shtrunga" when the citations where checked none of them even mentioned the city of Struga and all of them agreed the word Shtrunga was of Aromanian origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Struga&diff=prev&oldid=1094128703) I am weary in case citations are again misused for similar causes.
 * I personally agree that Skopje is a matter of spelling, in Bulgarian it's Skopie but the i and j are pronounced pretty much the same, i think the reason there are no citations or research even done on this subject is because Macedonian and Bulgarian Skopje/Skopie being adopted from the Greek/Aromanian Skopia/Scopia is a given, it is essentially the same word used in both Greek and Slavic which is why i even with my limited understanding of linguistics cannot fathom how the evolution of the word would be Shkup>Skopje essentially the word would go from Latin to Proto-Albanian to Slavic and still end up sounding exactly the same as the Greek/Aromanian name of the city?
 * GoofyGoofyson (talk) 17:12, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If it's not in the source, and it's the only source backing the assertion, then yes it should be removed. -- Local hero talk 20:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything unsourced, especially when contentious, should be removed. The user who added it is an IP so I don't think there's a way to contact them.
 * About your final question, it's not for us to decide whether the derivation sounds plausible. Historical linguistics can be complicated, and early Albanian is a quite mysterious language. So it could theoretically be possible, but nothing seems to back it up. --Antondimak (talk) 06:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The Matzinger study does mention Scupi -> Shkup being an Albanian development actually. That basically the name wasn't acquired from Slavic. Anyway, Skopje/Shkupi used to be mainly a Muslim town going by earlier sources. TheCreatorOne (talk) 10:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * How exactly is it a fringe theory ? The most ancient name of this town is Scupi which was the Roman era name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scupi, the Albanian name developed from the ancient name obviously Scupi -> Shkupi , duh. This is also what the study of Matzinger says. TheCreatorOne (talk) 10:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the latest version of this added to the article, I'm not able to find anything backing this in the limited preview available for Demiraj's book, so a quote would be helpful. The other source is a dissertation and I don't find the wording so explicit that Shkupi came *directly* from Scupi, just slightly confusing use of "<" and then that the best explanation is the phonological developments of Albanian. -- Local hero talk 02:41, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Recent defter information addition
Hello. I am skeptical of the Ottoman defter information (from Kristaq Prifti in Studime Historike) just added to the article. Are there really no Turks recorded in the data? I find that very hard to believe. -- Local hero talk 20:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are skeptical about it, you can find other sources which contrast Prifti, add & compare them, but you can't remove it. Per WP:RS:  The sources used for the name section are tertiary, generic guide books which contradict linguistic bibliography. I replaced them with Ivan Duridanov's Hydronymy of the Vardar Basin. It is considered to be a classic textbook in toponymy of the region. If there are other linguistic sources which support something different than Duridanov they can be added as well.--Maleschreiber (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Side comment: I removed from the lead the statement about Neolithic habitation in the region. It made it seem as if the site is being continuously inhabited since then. As almost everywhere in the Balkans, some finds which date to the Neolithic era have been found. This isn't exceptional in itself or a sign of continuous habitation. Secondly, Scupi is attested for the first time by Ptolemy. It may have been a garrisson before that era, but there's no other information about it and the sources which are cited state the same thing: (Syme 1999).--Maleschreiber (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you provide the quotes supporting the additions? The link does not provide any preview. -- Local hero talk 03:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Quotes related to Duridanov or to Prifti? --Maleschreiber (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, for Prifti. Thanks. -- Local hero talk 16:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * . If google translate provides any confusing translation, I can translate the relevant part manually.--Maleschreiber (talk) 11:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry to intervene but the quality of Prifi's neutral historical interpretation has been heavily criticized in scholarship. B. Gregoric for example doesn't hesitate to include him among those “national” historians that reproduce a stereotypic pro-Albanian narrative. I'm afraid such works should be used with heavy precaution. Moreover, why should we overemphasize such interpretations by presenting them in a table ? Alexikoua (talk) 01:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out . In addition to that valid point, I've looked far and wide for information on the 1831 census numbers for Skopje and all I can confirm is the number of males by religion (9,660 Muslims with 11,700 Re'aya, 900 Gypsies, and no Jews or Armenians) Mehmet İnbaşı (2014) Kemal Karpat Dragi Gjogiev (2018); yet none of these sources manage to extract ethnic information.
 * Further, Musa ŞaŞmaz states:
 * "The population in the census of 1831 was divided into five main groups (Muslims, Re'aya, Gypsies, Jews and Armenians)."
 * "In general, the population of 1831 was given in the form of a summary as Muslim and non-Muslim."
 * "Until the census of 1881/82, despite occasional allusions to ethnic groups (as in the 1831 census), Ottoman official statistics classified the population only according to religious affiliation". - is Prifti really making definitive ethnic determinations from "occasional allusions" in the 1831 information?
 * It is problematic that only Prifti seems to be drawing ethnic conclusions and that it isn't clear from where he draws these conclusions.
 * This all being said, I don't find this information fit to be added to the page and will restore it to its previous version. I'd suggest WP:RS/N or an RFC if someone wishes to add it. -- Local hero talk 03:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Climate
I don’t think you can designate a city with 483 mm per year on average, humid subtropical דולב חולב (talk) 10:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

 * It was called subtropical as a result of consensus for what to call Cfa climate, but not all scientists agree.
 * Trewartha has specific criteria for subtropical climates that Skopje or Lugano won’t fit in it, they can be simply called temperate.PAper GOL (talk) 18:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @PAper GOL Not if the RfC fails though; and its current state does not look too good. Uness232 (talk) 21:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know.
 * I just wanted to clarify the matter.PAper GOL (talk) 17:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Pjeter Mazreku
Pjeter Mazreku reported in early 17th century (around 1620's or so I believe) that the town was mainly Muslim/Turk, and that these were of Albanian origin, the rest being Asiatic. And that it also contained some Jews, Serbs and some Greeks. The word 'Turk' was used as a word for a Muslim back then, didn't neccessarily imply an actual Turk. Same word he used for Prizren that it was inhabited by Turks/Muslims, who are mainly Albanians. TheCreatorOne (talk) 10:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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