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User talk:Ambi~enwiki/Archive9

User talk:Ambivalenthysteria/Archive1 User talk:Ambivalenthysteria/Archive2 User talk:Ambi/Archive3 User talk:Ambi/Archive4 User talk:Ambi/Archive5 User talk:Ambi/Archive6 User talk:Ambi/Archive7 User talk:Ambi/Archive8 Last archived April 19, 2005.

You will need to contact each of the state / terrirory parliaments and ask them for either a copy of the latest edition of their parliamentary handbook or a historical list of members with dates of election. some of this may now be online at the parliamentary websites so check first. Adam 12:37, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Swan Hill, Victoria
Ambi,

What do you intend to be the status of the Swan Hill article? Swan Hill is presently a double-redirect, as you reverted the article to be a redirect to Towns in Victoria, Australia, which also presently has no info on Swan Hill.

Which page is supposed to have conversation about this aggregation project? I prefer the separate articles for each town. --ScottDavis 00:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I hope those two get sorted out soon. --ScottDavis 01:13, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Origanal Research on wikinews
G'day,

Wikinews has been experimenting with OR for a while now, and it seems like it's all going pretty well, and we've had a couple of really good articles from it. So what im planning with a couple of other aussies on wikinews, is to write an OR article in real time from the senate for a blow by blow account of what happens on July one, when the government gets its majority (i mean, we all knows what happens; unions get fucked over, but we dont know exactly how its gonna happen yet). Anyway, just wondering since you are also in our fine nation's capital, if you were interested in a foray into OR? Im gonna contact some of the other wikipedians who have said they are from Canberra to see if they are interested aswell, since its gonna take some logistical doing - at the very least we will need one laptop, a digital cammera (are you allowed to take photos, or are you only allowed to use the official TV fotage?), and some means of wireless conection to the internet. Im really not sure what the facilaties are in APH, so it will need a bit of research. The bellman 12:12, 2005 Apr 21 (UTC)
 * You know what i just realised; July 1 is smack bang in the middle of the semester break, so i may well not be in canberra. :( Damn howard, not planning his assult on Australia around my calander. Re: privacy; for normal OR you dont (currently) need to give any personal details above and beyond normal (there would be a mention that wikinews reporter The bellman saw/heard/whatever foobar, and a link to a subpage of the article which had further details (ie. a transcript, emails etc), however there is a seperate mechanism for Acreditation which means you have to put your personal details on wikinews, but you dont need to be acredited to write OR. Anyway, looks like this idea might not work after all, still ill talk to some other canberra wikipedians and see if i can get it off the ground The bellman 12:04, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

Apologia pro Vita Sua
Thankyou, Ambi, for trying to justify yourself. I am quite happy to have dropped out of editing Wiki. I have multiple "personalities" under which I used to edit, but found my best and longest articles were the ones I wrote anonymously. These have stood the test of years. Dropping out has not only saved time, but also saved money: I found I was buying books to get the information for articles. Silly me! Thortful 06:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for the library advice - I have been following it for more than half a century now. Although I find your focus rather narrow, I admired your bravery in adding the link to Queer wikipedians on your page. Thortful 07:00, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Deniliquin
Hi,

I am perplexed by your moving Deniliquin to Deniliquin, New South Wales, and angered that you have done this again, without entering into discussion - I put a note on the discussion page asking you why you had done this. Is this a generally agreed-upon convention to add the names of states to Australian places? If so, it is a bloody stupid one, IMHO. Are we to redirect Sydney to Sydney, New South Wales?XmarkX 06:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * thanks for clearing that up - although I don't understand your assertion that you did enter into discussion about the Deniliquin move.XmarkX 07:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * also, it would be good if you could point me in the direction of where the decision regarding Australian article names was made.XmarkX 08:00, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * why don't you need to enter into discussion about what you were doing? am I supposed psychically to realise that there is a place where such decisions are being made, and to know that such a decision has been made?XmarkX 13:04, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

HELP! deleted articles on Australian towns
Something very strange has happened. I was looking over my watchlist and noticed some red links: Drouin, Nyah West and Moe. Someone has just gone and deleted these articles. Fortunately I have 2 of those articles on my Towns in Victoria, Australia article, but since Moe was removed because it was quite long, it's all gone. I don't know who did it, and I don't know if the information can be retrieved as in deleting the article the history goes as well. I couldn't find any of these listed under VfD. I'm asking you for help as you're an admin, but I don't know if anything can be done. Please help keep a watch on the other towns as they might go to. This message is also on Australian Wikipedians' notice board. --Chammy Koala 09:54, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, I just looked in my history and I have all the information on Moe as well, so I can re-create the article, but it wouldn't have the history of all the people who worked on it, so I won't at this point. I've listed the 3 articles on votes for undeletion.--Chammy Koala 10:19, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, sorted. I don't think the article should have just been deleted, even if it did breach copyright.--Chammy Koala 10:59, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the kind words, Beck. You made my day :-) Hesperian 01:59, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Dear Ambi, thank you very much for your correction on Mr. Vojislav Kostunica article. Obviously, I was so tired that nigh and mixed up versions, and did not noticed offensive content when edited other parts. --Ninam 14:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Assembly Elections
Election dates can be found here.

Lists of members elected to each parliament are strangely hard to come by. There are lists of members in alphabetical order floating around, e.g. here, but I guess it would be pretty time consuming to convert such a list into a list for each parliament. I could suggest some books that would almost certainly contain the information you want, but they would be pretty hard to get hold of outside WA, and I suspect you don't live over here in the west. Hesperian 22:39, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

The Western Australian Parliamentary Handbook gives election results only for the election previous to its publication. So my 17th edition provides details of the 1983 election only. If you can get access to multiple editions, then it would just be a case of photocopying a couple of pages from each one. The Handbook also contains lists of successive members for each electoral district. e.g entries of the form
 * ASHBURTON: Burt, Hon Septimus: From 1890–1900. Forrest, David: From 1900–1901.  Consistuency abolished, 1901.

It wouldn't be impossible to extract the information from these entries, but I wouldn't recommend it.

The State Law Publisher publishes a number of books containing electoral information and statistics. The most obviously relevant is:
 * Black, David (1997) Election Statistics: Legislative Assembly of Western Australia 1890–1996

Another that might be relevant is
 * Black, David (1989) An Index to Parliamentary Candidates in Western Australian Elections 1890–1989

I hasten to add I haven't seen either of these; I'm just going by their titles. Good luck, Hesperian 23:48, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

CheeseDreams
I'm sorry to bother you with this (and do let me know if there's a more sensible place to bring such things in future), but it has been suggested, that User:The Rev of Bru is yet another sockpuppet of User:CheeseDreams which seems to have reactivated (they both have the same POV and act in similar ways). I'm not sure how this needs to be investigated, etc. Any help would be gratefully recieved. Thank you! --G Rutter 08:30, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your help. --G Rutter 14:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Max Weber FARC
Since Sarge withdrew his opposition, can you reasses your vote and - hopefully - change it to keep? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:41, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey
New here, found your page by following links...and more links, and links...anyway, I'm from Australia too and just wondering - which university are you at? --Snakeman 00:18, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

terse

 * Freed from verbal redundancy; neatly concise; compact and pithy in style or language. (Oxford English Dictionary)

 * Michael Hardy has been known to be the very definition of terse.

Hello. I am puzzled by your comment. Looking over your last 500 edits, I'm not sure where your path and mine have crossed. "Terse" can be good or bad depending on context. Is this about the way I write articles? Which of my articles are you familiar with? Michael Hardy 01:21, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

New LGBT noticeboard.
Hi, I've created a LGBT noticeboard for wikipedians to post issues and concerns. Please take a look. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:33, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'm here
Hi Ambi, thanks for your comment on my talk page - yes, I am still about - I wish I could spend more time than I do here (ie. same as I did last year), but, real life is keeping me fairly busy at the moment :( Eventually I'll be able to get back into it. I hope! -- Chuq 08:09, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Page doubling at WP:RFAr
I have just reverted the second of your two edits to the main ArbCom page as it caused a page doubling. I don't think I've removed anything I shouldn't have, but you should take a look just in case. As the edits were 1 minute apart, it looks like your first attempt at saving generated an error (no response from server, perhaps) and you tried again. If this is the case and you can remember what happened in more detail, there was a discussion about this happening on Village pump (technical) to which you might wish to contribute. Thryduulf 11:15, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration case against LevelCheck
Hi, regarding the arbcom case against LevelCheck: recently, he's returned to editing after a 9-day hiatus, and immediately commenced disrupting again (see List of people who have used the word "Islamofascism"). In light of this, I hope the arbcom will take a look at my request for a temporary injunction. Thanks, Meelar (talk) 22:37, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

BC/AD versus BCE/CE
There's a discussion and a vote on this topic going on at Talk:Jesus; I thought you might be interested. Jayjg (talk) 18:47, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Tkorrovi and Paul Beardsell
Paul Beardsell edited the Proposed decision page of the arbitration case. My comment, diff , please read it before voting on case, the last principle was added by him.Tkorrovi 12:00, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Ambi, you can see that I am asking where the rule is. Where is the rule? Are you just going to revert without explanation? Will you deign to say why the principle is a bad one or a good one? If it is one which is deserving of discussion will you put it in the list of "proposed principles" for consideration by the arbitrators? Paul Beardsell 04:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Ambi replied on my talk page:

 * Only arbitrators are allowed to edit the proposed decision page. That's all there is to it. Please don't re-add the principle again, else I'll have to protect the page. Feel free to make suggestions on the talk page, however. Ambi 06:16, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia never used to be like this. Things should not be allowed or disallowed seemingly on a whim. Explain where there is such a rule. The wording of the page does not say that non-arbitrators can not add proposed principles. It does say that only arbitrators can modify or vote on the proposed principles. This is not some police state: You are accountable, just like the rest of us. Say why! Paul Beardsell 06:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I note you have not replied to my other point: If the principle proposed by me is a good one, say so. If not, say that. Either way, as one of the only permitted editors, supposedly, of that page, please copy my proposed principle in and then vote for it. Or against it. Things are not "just so". Explain. Paul Beardsell 06:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The Number/Sollogfan RfAr
I didn't get your reference to an existing hard ban. If you are referring to the many Sollog sockpuppets that have been banned indefinitely, then at least a determination has to be made that the present two users constitute another pair of sockpuppets from the same uhm drawer, which they have persistently denied. (I personally don't care who they are sockpuppets of, but am convinced that these two accounts are linked.) --MarkSweep 10:29, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

NPOV
Please check out Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate, Slrubenstein  |  Talk  00:02, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Serious objection -- punishing a user for attacks made against him
In the finding of fact (Tkorrovi and Paul Beardsell case) only 1 out of 10 personal attacks mentioned was by me and even this was about how I named his Paul Beardsell's personal attack against me. And as a remedy, I was proposed to be indefinitely banned from editing the article. This is severely unjust, any punishment must be proportional to the misconduct. You give me an indefinite ban for a single comment, equal to indefinite ban to Paul Beardsell for numerous personal attacks against me during a year, which, as you see, I did not reply with personal attacks, except maybe only once (I'm human), in spite of everything which I might feel, I think this is civil behaviour. I'm going to be punished for attacks made against me.Tkorrovi 17:37, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

PSYCH
i have reasonable grounds, allbeit circumstantial, to believe that PSYCH is behind the recent continual vandalism of my user page, Mark's user page and various other pages. The IPs are similar, he deleted the reference to PSYCH's arbitration from my page continually, has the same vandalism type, and like PSYCH, claims to be studying law. Remember PSYCH is on one year personal attack parole. Is there some way to: or do i have to take this beck to the Arbcom or is there really nothing that can be done? Xtra 13:27, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Have PSYCH permabanned
 * 2) Have any anon user who vandalises in a way substantially similar to PSYCH permabanned

Military history of Puerto Rico
Hi, how are you? I submitted the above mentioned article to be considered for faetured article status. I would be honored if you could take a look and express your opinon here: Featured article candidates/Military history of Puerto Rico, Thank you very much Tony the Marine

Caulfield Grammar
Thank you very much for your comments on the FAC page. I've been waiting for some useful feedback for ages! I'll try and add in some of the stuff you suggested to help this article along. Harro5 06:16, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've written a section on the uniform in prose. Please have a look and make some comments. A picture of a blazer pocket to come. Harro5 07:06, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Caulfield Grammar FAC
Hi! You previously voted to object this FAC nomination, but the article has been significantly upgraded and improved since then. I would urge you to have a second look before leaving your final vote. Thanks. Harro5 08:16, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Friendly Chat
Hi, I just thought that I would let you know that Linuxbeak has nominated me for adminship. I would like to invite you to participate at WP:RFA if you wish to do so. Thank you and take care Tony the Marine

TSSK
'I'' WANNA BE PART OF THE TOP SEKRIT SYSOP KABAL. CAN'T I? CAN I JOIN? CAN I JOIN?'''  →A sysop wanna-be←  talk

KaintheScion/ElKabong RFAr
I have left my comments in the KaintheScion/ElKabong RFAr. Please be advised that I have yet to be convinced that these two are actually sockpuppets. I also object to being named in this RFAr at all, as it is an obvious indication to me that the whole thing has been enacted in bad faith by editors pushing a political agenda. Enviroknot

Advice on possible arbitration
I'm considering requesting arbitration in the case of User:Mr Tan (talk • contribs). I've not really been involved in an arbitration (or mediation), and though I've read all the information about the process, I'm not sure that arbitration is in fact the appropriate step. I'd be very grateful if you could have a quick look at Requests for comment/Mr Tan, and the main articles involved (Zanskar and Tsushima Islands), and tell me if there's any other less drastic route that I could go down. Many thanks. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Page duplication
One of your edits on WP:RFAr caused a page duplication. Please wait with further editing, I'm fixing it. Mgm|(talk) 14:07, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW, here's the diff to prove it. Mgm|(talk) 14:10, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Fixed it. Don't know what you planned on doing, but you can try again now. Cheers! Mgm|(talk) 14:12, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Tkorrovi vs Paul Beardsell and others
Ambi, please provide a reference for when anyone said anyone else was "not human". Thanks, Paul Beardsell 17:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Ambi, maybe you do not reply because you are confused and know not to which I refer. In the proposed decision you have written that one of the parties to the case said of the other that "you're not human". A reader of Tkorrovi's evidence might think that I had said such a thing. You, an arbitrator in this case who, by your comments in the proposed judgement, is claiming to know what went on, must surely have seen evidence of this somewhere. I don't remember writing this and I am unable to find a reference. Please supply one. I would like you to do so reasonably quickly as you are repeating what I think is a false assertion (one of many) by Tkorrovi and thereby giving it unreasonable credibility amongst followers of the case and, more importantly, your fellow ArbCom members. Paul Beardsell 21:00, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I note that since the above posting you have made scores of edits without replying to the issue I raise here. This is discourteous but more importantly compounds your mistake. You are a member of the ArbCom and so what you say carries extra weight in the opinions of some. It is more important therefore for me but also for you to admit your error. Paul Beardsell 20:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

STILL NO RESPONSE. Paul Beardsell 02:38, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
What a year! My first year in Wiki, a featured article and now administrator. Thank you for your support. I feel honored to have befriended you. I will be counting on you for advice and guidance.Tony the Marine (UTC)

Another unsubstantiated allegation
I pay you the courtesy of drawing your attention to this. Perhaps you could repay it by dealing with the "not human" false allegation by you, see 2 sections above. Paul Beardsell 20:13, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You've been logged in, you've been posting. STILL NO RESPONSE. I say, "Boo!" Paul Beardsell 02:40, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

liberal party / liberalism
Please read book I referenced on the talk page and then reconsider your revert. I think you will find that the liberal party is well within its definition of traditional liberalism. Xtra 11:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Spite
So I express an opinion and you accuse me of being 'spiteful'?! Ket pottle black? With folk like you on the 'arbcom', who needs enemies. I also feel the need to refer you to No personal attacks, in particular 'Stay cool', and the first example "Negative personal comments and "I'm better than you" attacks, such as "You have no life"".

Is this really the example you want to set for everyone else here? Or do you not think that, as a member of the arbcom, you should be taking a more measured view of things? Dan100 14:29, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * In fact I want to stress that I am very upset by your comment I continue to add a heck of a lot more articles and information to this encyclopedia every week than you do. Are you suggesting that, as a mere Wikignome, I am somehow inferior? Yeah, you won't find my sig on many Wikipedia talk: pages, or requests for what-not. Yeah I'm not on the mailing list. But I do my duty as a citizen of Wikipedia by voting in polls and in the meantime get on with trying making Wikipedia articles better (even if I do not always succeed).

 * Perhaps a wiser course of action on your part would have to been to explain why you think the arbcom and its entourage is such a good idea, instead of simply lashing out. I would have expected a higher standard of public conduct from someone occupying a position such as yours. Dan100 17:39, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in: I too take exception. Ambi has, without properly perusing the evidence, asserted I have said something I did not. That I am guilty of personal attacks on another. She has also falsely called me a bully. (See recent postings by me on this page.) SHE HAS DONE BOTH THESE THINGS ON A PAGE WHICH I (AND OTHER LESS SPECIAL USERS) AM FORBIDDEN TO EDIT. She, on Dan100's, page and elsewhere attacks him personally and now she calls him a hypocrite. The hypocisy is plain and it is not Dan's. Paul Beardsell 02:35, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I too am amazed at Ambi's behaviour. How is this becoming to someone who has been elected to a public position of trust? And are you, Ambi, really saying that my work on Wikipedia is worthless, and that you are somehow superior to me? Dan100 07:13, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm also very concerned that Ambi is showing no remorse. I am very upset that my work on Wikipedia is being so belittled, and I find this bullying extremely objectionable. Dan100 07:36, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

So I'm a jerk?!
''Dan100, seeing as I write more articles than you do, perhaps you should go write some articles instead of being a jerk. Ambi 11:46, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)''

Well thanks, Ambi. Dan100 07:51, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I'm quite within my rights to ask for an apology, so, Ambi, that's what I'd like you to do, and that will be the end of it. Dan100 09:25, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Neutral
Thanks for your comment and neutral vote at Requests for adminship/Pjacobi. It's clear to me myself, that seeking for an easy solution at ODP, where there may be none, may be judged critically. But OTOH I honestly believe, that the worst thing to fear, if I get the extra buttons, is not enough work done using them, not mis-using them. --Pjacobi 21:16, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)

Women
Hi. I'm giving some thought to starting Wikiproject:Women, so far I think I'd cover things like biographies, women's health, and women in politcs, and issues of feminism. Have you got any ideas both content wise and organisation wise since you've been involved in heaps of wikiprojects?--nixie 02:49, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You do not respond...
...so please see here. Paul Beardsell 02:51, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ambi, thanks for removing the one accusation. But you have not removed the other "bully" accusation. Same page. I trust that if you thought it apt to remove the one you would also consider it apt to move the other. Paul Beardsell

NO RESPONSE YET. Paul Beardsell 09:09, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Accusations of bullying should always cite instances, I think. Because otherwise the making of such an accusation can so easily be construed itself as an instance of bullying. It is better to cite an instance of unacceptable behaviour and then let others decide whether that constitutes bullying than to claim that someone is a bully as though it were self-evident. It's certainly not evident to Paul that he's a bully so, to allow him dignity, you should indicate why you think that. Even if you can show that he's been high-handed with Tarvo, you should also indicate why Tarvo is a victim and what Paul has done that prevents Tarvo from defending himself. I'm actually at a loss to see how a medium like wikipedia could possibly provide an avenue for bullying. Nobody is forced to do anything. People like to win their arguments, as they do everywhere, but to equate that with bullying needs proper justification. Matt Stan 10:47, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tkorrovi did not understand that considering him not a conscious entity was a talk about science
In relation to the alleged "you're not human" accusation, I think I may have introduced this idea into the artificial consciousness discussion at some point, based on the speculation that Tarvo might be a chatbot, i.e himself an artificially conscious entity. Remember we were all the time (or at least I was) aiming to reach a consensus on what the criteria for articicial consciousness are. This speculation was just that, and was in the context of discussing tests for artificial consciousness along the lines of the Turing test for artificial intelligence. If it was wrongly taken by Tarvo, I think you'll find this was just another instance of Tarvo not really understanding what was being said. If you want to weigh up the levels of nastiness between Paul and Tarvo, then please consider how 'nice' it is to accuse someone of being a racist, shortly after discovering their country of origin. Matt Stan 06:42, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Considering someone an unconscious entity is a personal attack, no matter how you substantiate doing so. This was certainly not any serious scientific conversation, I did not want such senseless discussions, you forced them upon me, as I was supposed to "work together with you", but you used that not to have a constructive discussion, but to ridicule me. In any other circumstances I never talked to you, but here in Wikipedia you cannot choose the people you have to deal with. So I talked to you in a faint hope that maybe you  start to work constructively, which even happened sometimes for a short while, but your general attitude didn't change, and personal attacks against me didn't stop. If it did change, then at best your speculations might be considered as a lame (un)friendly joke, but unfortunately how you treat me is very far from jokes. Now you offer to discuss a subterfuge for personal attacks, I would advise no one to go into that trap, as I said, personal attacks cannot be discussed, but only considered as personal attacks by the community.Tkorrovi 14:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I called Paul's remarks against me racist, and not allowed, this had nothing to do with the country of origin of neither Paul or me. I consider racist a remarks like whether I'm conscious or not, that anthropologist would be necessary to find out who I am, that he knows smarter animals than me (see blasphemy archive), and that he compares me with monkey, also that I'm paranoid, a pest etc. Just only that. No need for these, maybe I was not patient enough in wanting them to stop, but instead of changing your attitude, you started to attack me even more. And of course, I always wanted you to stop any talk about nationality as well, most senseless and not appropriate, especially when done against one's will. Things like that, I don't see them as any interest concerning science or whatever, but as a way to find a possibility to attack me, and the history of our interaction proved that more than well. Not only nationality though, whatever you succeed to find, like the most senseless and absurd criticism of me by Chinasaur, he wrote to support you after your complaint or who knows what reason. I talked to him, and he don't support that any more, I forgave him, as he was a reasonable person who understood while having a reasonable conversation.Tkorrovi 15:31, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cutting to the chase
I assume you view my comments as a personal attack. OK, even if that's not what I meant them to be, if that's how you feel, I am sorry. I will take care to present any frustrations I feel surrounding arbitration in a less ambigous manner in the future, if I feel the need to express such opinoins again. So again, I am sorry that I said what I did, and if you were upset by them.

However, that does not excuse you calling me a 'jerk', nor your attempts to belittle my work and bully me. We should not make personal attacks, against anyone, under any circumstances. So I am simply going to express my extreme disappointment in you for breaking the very rules you were elected by the community to uphold. Fin. Dan100 17:01, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Blocking without warning
Ambi, I believe you have made a substantial error in judgment by concluding that you do not need to warn and notice people when you block them. If you do not have the time to leave a note on their talk page, then I would suggest that you are also too busy to be engaging in blocks at all. By failing to leave a note even in the case of an obvious vandal you substantially increase the risk of confusion and hurt feelings by other users who are also blocked due to the occasional shared IP. --Gmaxwell 04:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration against Yuber
I could provide more evidence, but I would need to know what is missing. I've read the guidelines, but if you could give me a hint, I'd appreciate it. Perhaps it wasn't as thorough as it should have been? I think if we should wait until jayjg gives his statement. He has had loads of experience with Yuber's bad faith pov pushing. Also, does the request for arbitration stand without expiration? So if more evidence is provided by the end of the week, can the petition be re-examined?

Thanks in advance,

Guy Montag 10:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Here is what I have so far.

The discussion entitled "minor changes". Yuber inserted "sources" which had nothing to do with the subject. He insterted his POV, than tried to cover it up by source spamming. It took us 4 days of close policing of the article before it stood up to NPOV standards.

See discussion.  Dhimmi page locked because of Yuber's editing
 * Sea of Galilee locked because of Yuber.
 * Citations for numerous violations of 3rr breaches and warnings to lock articles because of his editing.[|talk page] Evidence is found in "3RR" discussion on Yuber's Talk Page.
 * Jizya page paged locked because of Yuber's non cooperation and edit warring.
 * Another paged locked previously because of his editing.

Guy Montag 21:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RFA: Thanks
Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Wikipedia. See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Importance
Hey Rebecca whosharesmybirthday, your continued input at Importance would be appreciated. Your last comment was at Wikipedia_talk:Importance. Thanks, ··gracefool |☺ 03:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Cape lobster

The Cape lobster, Homarinus capensis, is a species of small lobster that lives off the coast of South Africa, from Dassen Island to Haga Haga. Only a few dozen specimens are known, mostly regurgitated by reef-dwelling fish. It lives in rocky reefs, and is thought to lay large eggs that have a short larval phase, or that hatch directly as a juvenile. The species grows to a total length of 10 cm, and resembles a small European or American lobster; it was previously included in the same genus, Homarus, although it is not very closely related to those species, and is now considered to form a separate, monotypic genus – Homarinus. Its closest relatives are the genera Thymops and Thymopides.

Distribution and ecology
The Cape lobster is endemic to South Africa. It occurs from Dassen Island, Western Cape in the west to Haga Haga, Eastern Cape in the east, a range of 900 km. Most of the known specimens were regurgitated by fish caught on reefs at depths of 20 - 40 m. This suggests that the Cape lobster inhabits rocky substrates, and may explain its apparent rarity, since such areas are not amenable to dredging or trawling, and the species may be too small to be retained by lobster traps.

Description
Homarinus capensis is considerably smaller than the large northern lobsters of the Atlantic Ocean, Homarus gammarus (the European lobster) and Homarus americanus (the American lobster), at 8 - 10 cm total length, or 4 - 5 cm carapace length. Accounts of the colouration of H. capensis are very variable, from tawny, red or yellow to "a rather dark olive", similar to Homarus gammarus.

Homarinus and Homarus are considered to be the most plesiomorphic genera in the family Nephropidae. Nonetheless, the Cape lobster differs from Homarus in a number of characters. The rostrum of the Cape lobster is flattened, while that of Homarus is rounded in section, and curves upwards at the tip. The three pairs of claws are covered with hairs in Homarinus, while those of Homarus are hairless. The telson tapers along its length in Homarus, but has sides which are nearly parallel in Homarinus. Although no egg-bearing females have been collected, the gonopores (openings of the oviducts) of female Cape lobsters are much larger than those of Homarus gammarus and Homarus americanus. This is thought to indicate that Homarinus bears fewer, larger eggs than Homarus, and that either the larvae develop quickly into juveniles after hatching, or that the eggs hatch directly into juveniles.

Taxonomy and evolution
Cape lobsters are elusive and rare, with only fourteen specimens having been collected between 1792 (the date of its first description) and 1992. These include five males in the collections of the South African Museum (Cape Town), two in the Natural History Museum (London), one in each of the East London Museum, the Rijksmuseum van Natuurlijke Historie (Leiden) and the Albany Museum (Grahamstown), and one male and one female in the Muséum national d'histoire naturelle (Paris). In 1992, a Cape lobster was discovered at Dassen Island, and the publicity the find generated resulted in more than 20 additional specimens being reported.

The Cape lobster was first described by Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Herbst in 1792 as Cancer (Astacus) capensis. It was independently described in 1793 by Johan Christian Fabricius as Astacus flavus, possibly based on the same type specimen. When Friedrich Weber erected the genus Homarus in 1795, he included Fabricius' species in it, but this placement was not followed by later authors. The species reached its current classification in 1995, when the monotypic genus Homarinus was erected by Irv Kornfield, Austin B. Williams and Robert S. Steneck.

While analyses of morphology suggest a close relationship between Homarinus and Homarus, molecular analyses using mitochondrial DNA reveal that they are not sister taxa. Both genera lack ornamentation such as spines and carinae, but are thought to have reached that state independently, through convergent evolution. The closest living relative of Homarus is Nephrops norvegicus, while the closest relatives of Homarinus are Thymops and Thymopides.

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Districts of Israel

There are six main administrative districts of Israel, known in Hebrew as ' (מְחוֹזוֹת; sing. מָחוֹז, ) and in Arabic as '. There are also 15 subdistricts of Israel, known in Hebrew (נָפוֹת; sing. נָפָה, ) and in Arabic as. Each subdistrict is further divided into natural regions, which in turn are further divided into council-level divisions: whether they might be cities, municipalities, or regional councils.

The present division into districts was established in 1953, to replace the divisions inherited from the British Mandate. It has remained substantially the same ever since; a second proclamation of district boundaries issued in 1957 – which remains in force as of 2023 – only affirmed the existing boundaries in place.

The figures in this article are based on numbers from the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics and so include all places under Israeli civilian rule including those Israeli-occupied territories where this is the case. Therefore, Golan Subdistrict and its four natural regions are included in the number of subdistricts and natural regions even though it is not recognized by the United Nations or the international community as Israeli territory. Similarly, the population figure below for the Jerusalem District was calculated including East Jerusalem whose annexation by Israel is similarly not recognized by the United Nations and the international community. The Judea and Samaria Area, however, is not included in the number of districts and subdistricts as Israel has not applied its civilian jurisdiction in that part of the West Bank.

Administration
The districts have no elected institutions of any kind, although they do possess councils composed of representatives of central government ministries and local authorities for planning and building purposes. Their administration is undertaken by a District Commissioner appointed by the Minister of the Interior. Each district also has a District Court.

Since the District Commissioners are considered part of the Ministry of the Interior's bureaucracy, they can only exercise functions falling within the purview of other ministries if the appropriate Minister authorizes them. This authorization is rarely granted, as other government ministries and institutions (for example, the Ministry of Health and the Police ) establish their own divergent systems of districts.

Jerusalem District

Jerusalem District (מְחוֹז יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, Mehoz Yerushalayim)

 * Area: 653 km2
 * Population (EoY 2018): 1,133,700
 * District capital: Jerusalem.

Natural regions:

 * 111 Judean Mountains
 * 112 Judean Foothills

Northern District
Northern District (מְחוֹז הַצָּפוּן, Mehoz HaTzafon)

 * Area: 4,473 km2
 * Population (EoY 2018): 1,448,100
 * District capital: Nof Hagalil

Subdistricts and natural regions:

 * Safed (Tzfat) Subdistrict – population: 121,200
 * 211 Hula Valley
 * 212 Eastern Upper Galilee
 * 213 Hazor Region
 * 214 Central Lower Galilee
 * Kinneret Subdistrict – population: 112,900
 * 221 Kinerot
 * 222 Eastern Lower Galilee
 * Yizre'el Subdistrict – population: 520,100
 * 231 Bet She’an Valley
 * 232 Harod Valley
 * 233 Kokhav Plateau
 * 234 Yizre’el Valley
 * 235 Yoqne’am Region
 * 236 Menashe Plateau
 * 237 Nazareth-Tir’an Mountains
 * Akko Subdistrict – population: 643,300
 * 241 Shefar’am Region
 * 242 Karmi’el Region
 * 243 Yehi’am Region
 * 244 Elon Region
 * 245 Nahariyya Region
 * 246 Akko Region
 * Golan Subdistrict – population: 50,600
 * 291 Hermon Region
 * 292 Northern Golan
 * 293 Middle Golan
 * 294 Southern Golan

Haifa District
Haifa District (מְחוֹז חֵיפָה, Mehoz Heifa)

 * Area: 866 km2
 * Population (EoY 2018): 1,032,800
 * District capital: Haifa

Subdistricts and natural regions:

 * Haifa Subdistrict – population: 583,400
 * 311 Haifa Region
 * Hadera Subdistrict – population: 449,300
 * 321 Karmel Coast
 * 322 Zikhron Ya’aqov Region
 * 323 Alexander Mountain
 * 324 Hadera Region

Central District
Central District (, Mehoz HaMerkaz)

 * Area: 1,294 km2
 * Population (EoY 2018): 2,196,100
 * District capital: Ramla

Subdistricts and natural regions:

 * HaSharon Subdistrict – population: 477,400
 * 411 Western Sharon
 * 412 Eastern Sharon
 * Petah Tikva Subdistrict – population: 754,300
 * 421 Southern Sharon
 * 422 Petah Tiqwa Region
 * Ramla Subdistrict – population: 351,700
 * 431 Modi’in Region
 * 432 Ramla Region
 * Rehovot Subdistrict – population: 612,600
 * 441 Rehovot Region
 * 442 Rishon LeZiyyon Region

Tel Aviv District
Tel Aviv District (מְחוֹז תֵּל־אָבִיב, Mehoz Tel Aviv)

 * Area: 172 km2
 * Population (EoY 2018): 1,427,200
 * District capital: Tel Aviv

Natural regions:

 * 511 Tel Aviv Region
 * 512 Ramat Gan Region
 * 513 Holon Region

Southern District
Southern District (מְחוֹז הַדָּרוֹם, Mehoz HaDarom)

 * Area: 14,185 km2
 * Population (EoY 2018): 1,302,000
 * District capital: Beersheba

Subdistricts and natural regions:

 * Ashkelon Subdistrict – population: 551,200
 * 611 Mal’akhi Region
 * 612 Lakhish Region
 * 613 Ashdod Region
 * 614 Ashqelon Region
 * Be'er Sheva Subdistrict – population: 750,700
 * 621 Gerar Region
 * 622 Besor Region
 * 623 Be’er Sheva Region
 * 624 Dead Sea Region
 * 625 Arava Region
 * 626 Northern Negev Mountain
 * 627 Southern Negev Mountain

Formerly the Hof Aza Regional Council with a population of approx. 10,000 Israelis was a part of this district, but the Israeli communities that constituted it were evacuated when the disengagement plan was implemented on the Gaza Strip. Since the withdrawal, the Coordination and Liaison Administration operates there.

Judea and Samaria Area
Judea and Samaria Area (אֵזוֹר יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן, Ezor Yehuda VeShomron)

 * Area: 172 km2
 * Israeli population (EoY 2018): 427,800
 * Arab/Bedouin population: 40,000. (excludes Area A and Area B).
 * Largest city: Modi'in Illit

The name Judea and Samaria for this geographical area is based on terminology from the Hebrew and other sources relating to ancient Israel and Judah/Judea. The territory has been under Israeli control since the 1967 Six-Day War but not annexed by Israel, pending negotiations regarding its status. It is part of historic Israel, which leads to politically contentious issues. However, it is not recognized as part of the State of Israel by the United Nations and most nations.

There are no subdistricts and natural regions in the Judea and Samaria Area.

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Marcus Gjøe Rosenkrantz

Marcus Gjøe Rosenkrantz (25 January 1762 – 11 May 1838) was a Norwegian Government Minister and Member of Parliament.

Biography
Marcus Gjøe Rosenkrantz was born at Vigvoll, Tveit near Kristiansand, Norway. His father, Otto Christian Rosenkrantz, was a Danish career military officer in various Dano-Norwegian regiments who served as commander of Vardøhus Fortress.

He attended the Royal Military mathematical school in Christiania (now Oslo) from 1776 to 1780. In 1781, a became student at the University of Copenhagen where he earned his law degree in 1784. He worked for several years as an assessor for Overhoffretten, the highest court in Norway and later the County Court in Christiania.

In 1786, he bought Lerbaek Hovedgard manor at Frederikshavn with assets inherited from a distant relative, and moved there in 1790. In 1796 he married Maren Juel, by which he became a sizable landowner. After the death of her husband, Peder Holter (1723–1786), Maren Juel owned and managed a number of properties  including Losby in  Lørenskog as well as the estates Hafslund and  Borregaard in Sarpsborg  and the Ljan Estate (Ljansbruket)  which included Stubljan in Nordstrand and  Hvitebjørn in Oppegård. In time, they became one of the largest sawmill owners and timber exporters in the country.

Rosenkrantz was among those who met at Eidsvold in 1814, to discuss the future of Norway in the aftermath of the  Treaty of Kiel. He became first minister of Norway during the period 1814–1815. He was elected as a Member of the Storting representing Smaalenenes Amt  (now Østfold) from 1818 to 1820 and from 1824 to 1827. During 1827–29, he represented Fredrikshald.

Honors

 * Order of the Dannebrog
 * Serafimerordenen
 * Nordstjärneorden

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Šumperk

Šumperk (Mährisch Schönberg) is a town in the Olomouc Region of the Czech Republic. It has about 25,000 inhabitants. It is an industrial town, but it also contains valuable historical and architectural monuments. The historic town centre is well preserved and is protected by law as an urban monument zone.

Administrative parts
Šumperk is made up of one administrative part.

Etymology
The original German name is derived from Schön Berg, meaning "beautiful hill", which later supplemented by a distinguishing adjective Mährisch (i.e. Moravian). The Czech name Šumperk evolved from a direct phonetic transcription.

After World War II and the expulsion of Germans, there was a suggestion of giving the town a name with Czech origins. Suggestions included approximate translations such as Krásná Hora, Krásov or Krásno nad Děsnou, and names unrelated to the original name, such as Svobodov, Velenov, Lnářov and Přadlenov. In the end the name of Šumperk remained unchanged.

Geography
Šumperk is located about 45 km north of Olomouc. It lies entirely in the Hanušovice Highlands, but for its proximity to the Hrubý Jeseník mountains, the town is sometimes nicknamed "The Gate to Jeseník." The highest point of the municipal territory is the peak of Ohařův kámen with an elevation of 689 m.

Šumperk is located on the Bratrušovský Creek. It is a tributary of the Desná River, which forms the southern municipal border.

13th–16th centuries
Šumperk was probably established by German settlers from Silesia in the second half of the 13th century. The town rapidly became prosperous due to rich deposits of precious metals. Šumperk belonged to the Margrave of Moravia. The first written mention of Šumperk is from 1281. This document refers to Jeneč of Šumperk, a town administrator who lived in a small fort on the outskirts. The fort has not been preserved. A Dominican monastery was founded in 1297.

Šumperk was sold to lords of Lipá by Margrave Charles in 1340. Šumperk was regained by the Margrave of Moravia in 1352. In 1391, Jobst of Moravia granted Magdeburg rights for Šumperk including "The Mile Right", guaranteeing a production and trade monopoly for the inhabitants of the town up to a distance of 1 German mile (7.5 km) from town gates. Šumperk inhabitants were also granted permission for brewing.

During the Hussite Wars, the town was pawned to Catholic nobleman Beneš of Valdštejn, therefore Šumperk was opposed to the Hussite Reformation. The Hussite armies successfully completed their campaign in East Bohemia on 14 September 1424, and moved into North Moravia on 23 September. Šumperk was not the principal target of the Hussite warlords, whose primary goal was to conquer the Moravian Margraviate capital in Olomouc, but an attack on Šumperk was initiated by local lord Proček Bouzovský of Vildenberk, the owner of Loštice. The siege was short because the town gates were opened by Hussite sympathizers in Šumperk. Proček Bouzovský of Vildenberk ruled the town until 1445, when Šumperk was besieged by Catholics from Olomouc. Again, town gates were opened by disloyal inhabitants.

In 1490, Šumperk was the location of a meeting of Bohemian and Moravian provincial diet members, at which they came to an agreement about Vladislaus II's candidature for Czech throne. In 1496, Šumperk was bought by the House of Zierotin.

16th–17th centuries
The Zierotins became permanent owners of Šumperk in 1507. Petr of Zierotin chose Šumperk Castle as his family seat and has built the town walls. In the relatively peaceful 16th century, the town became prosperous, mainly due to the textile craft. The prosperity enabled the town to buy itself out of serfdom, and it became directly subordinate to the Bohemian king in 1562. During the second half of the 16th century, the town was hit by three plague epidemics and devastating floods.

In 1622, Šumperk lost its privileges for participating in the Bohemian Revolt and was acquired by the House of Lichtenstein, who owned the town until the fall of the feudal system in 1848. At the end Thirty Years' War, between 1642 and 1646, the town was conquered and looted several times by Swedish army. In 1669, Šumperk was hit by a large fire, which destroyed the entire town. By the end of the 17th century, the town was rebuilt in ruins.

Between 1679 and 1693, 25 people from Šumperk were killed in witch trials.

18th–19th centuries
Vienna industrialist Johann Ernst Klapperoth established a factory producing corduroy in 1785, the first of its kind in the Habsburg monarchy. The number of factories in the town rose gradually through the 19th century, when large linen and textile factories were established. A flax spinning mill was opened in 1842. During the 19th century, Šumperk became the Moravian centre for the industrial production of linen and silk.

Other local businesses included a brewery (opened 1861), a foundry (opened 1868), a factory producing earthenware (opened 1868), a mineral oil refinery (opened 1871), a textile machine factory (opened 1898), a factory producing iron goods (opened 1903), three large sawmills (in 1905), three brickworks (in 1905), two factories producing flying shuttles and bobbins (in 1905). Other businesses operating in the early 20th century were two leather factories, a factory processing fats, a cardboard factory, a slaughterhouse, a power plant and gasworks.

In 1871, a railway line between Šumperk and Zábřeh was completed.

In the second half of the 19th century, due to the development of industry and economic prosperity, the urban and architectural face of the town changed significantly, and important Viennese architects were invited to build villas and other buildings. For its approach to the appearance of Vienna, Šumperk was sometimes nicknamed "Little Vienna".

20th century
Sudeten Germans on the Imperial Austro-Hungarian Council declared sovereignty for German-inhabited Moravia, including Šumperk, under the name Sudetenland of the Republic of German-Austria. Czechs did not accept the division and, following the idea of the Bohemian state rights, declared that all of Bohemia and Moravia be included the establishing Czechoslovak state.

One of the German rebels was the mayor of Šumperk, Gustav Oberleithner, who became vice-prime minister. On 7 November, Czech envoys demanded surrender of Šumperk's German self-government. Establishing facts on the grounds, Czechoslovak troops invaded the German-speaking areas. On 15 December 1918, Šumperk surrendered at the threat of shots to be fired to the town.

After the Munich agreement in 1938, Šumperk was occupied by the Wehrmacht, and was attached to Nazi Germany as part of Reichsgau Sudetenland. The last Czech families moved inland. The occupation and the World War II halted the economic prosperity and brought great casualties.

After the World War II, the German inhabitants of the town were expelled. Šumperk was rapidly repopulated, especially by Czechs from inland. On 21 August 1968, Šumperk was occupied by the Polish People's Army, which was replaced by the Red Army on 3 October 1968. Jan Zajíc, a student of the Šumperk Industrial School, committed suicide by self-immolation as a political protest against Soviet occupation, following Jan Palach.

Economy
Šumperk was a significant centre of the textile industry throughout the Austria-Hungary, interwar and Communist eras. Thanks to factories focusing on the production of natural and synthetic silk, Šumperk has become a European centre of silk industry. Communist rule nationalised every company in Šumperk and united them into a large national company named Hedva. The silk production in Hedva ended in 1998 and only thread production continued. However, in 2019, this production ended as well and that meant the end of textile industry tradition in the town.

Today, Šumperk is still an industrial town, even though the focus has changed. The largest industrial employer is TDK Electronics, which produces ferrites for automotive purposes. The beginnings of production in Šumperk date back to 1956, when the ferrites were produced under Pramet brand. The second largest industrial company is Dormer Pramet, a manufacturer and supplier of cutting tools. It is a successor of the Pramet company, which was founded here in 1951.

A significant company is also Škoda Pars which renovates old trains and trams; its best known product is the RegioNova train.

The largest non-industrial employer is the Šumperk hospital.

Transport
Šumperk is the terminus and start of the railway lines from/to Olomouc, further continuing to Brno or Vyškov.

Culture
Cultural institutions located in Šumperk include a cinema, the North Moravian Theatre, or a regional museum. The main cultural facilities are the Šumperk Cultural Hall and the town's library.

Several festivals take place annually in the town:
 * Blues Alive is the biggest international blues festival in Central Europe. It was established in 1996.
 * Slavnosti města Šumperka ("Festival of the town of Šumperk") is a festival with a historical theme, a tradition since 1998.
 * Město čte knihu ("The town reads a book") is a literary and film festival, which has been held annually since 2005. The purpose of the festival is to read a selected book by a selected author.
 * Klášterní hudební slavnosti ("Monastery music festivities") is a series of classical music concerts during the summer. The festival was established in 2007.
 * Divadlo v parku ("Theatre in park") is a theatre festival. The festival, organized by the local theatre, hosts professional ensembles from other towns and cities.
 * International Folklore Festival is a parade of folk ensembles from all over the world that takes place every year in several places in the town.

Sport
The town's ice hockey club Draci Šumperk plays in the third tier of the Czech ice hockey system, being relegated in the 2022/2023 season.

FK Šumperk is the town's football club, playing in the fourth tier of the Czech football system.

Sights
In the second half of the 19th century and first half of the 20th century, many architectural gems were created in the town, first especially in the Neoclassical and Neorenaissance styles, later in the Functionalist style. Notable is the town hall which is a landmark of the town centre. It was built in the Saxon Neo-Renaissance style in 1909–1911, and replaced an old Gothic town hall first mentioned in 1475.

Pavlínin dvůr is a former manor house, rebuilt into a Neorenaissance residence in 1876. Today the building serves as the regional museum. It is located in a large town park ''Sady 1. května'', which was created from the ornamental garden of the residence. Other significant buildings are the library that was built in 1893–1894 and rebuilt in 1928, Neoclassical former German grammar school from 1897, or the Neo-romantic theatre building from 1901 to 1902.

Valuable functionalistic buildings include Hotel Grand built in 1931–1932 and Ottokar Katzer's house from 1930.

The former Church of the Annunciation is a remnant of Dominican monastery, which was abolished in 1784. After the fire in 1784 it was rebuilt in the Baroque style. Today this valuable historic monument serves cultural and social purposes. The monastery building serves as the seat of a secondary medical school.

Geschader's House, today known as House of the European Meeting, is one of the oldest houses in Šumperk. In its Gothic cellar is permanent exhibition on witch trials.

Other sights in Šumperk include Church of Saint John the Baptist, Church of Saint Barbara, and fragments of the town walls.

Notable people

 * Leo Slezak (1873–1946), tenor singer
 * Gertrude Pitzinger (1904–1997), German opera singer
 * Roman Karl Scholz (1912–1944), Austrian writer and resistance fighter
 * Radoslav Nenadál (1929–2018), writer and translator
 * Gerda Frömel (1931–1975), Irish-German sculptor
 * Hans Klein (1931–1996), German politician
 * Eugen Brixel (1939–2000), Austrian composer and musician
 * Miroslav Krobot (born 1951), actor and theatre director
 * Miroslav Tulis (born 1951), athlete
 * Jan Balabán (1961–2010), writer, journalist and translator
 * Ivana Kubešová (born 1962), middle-distance runner
 * Jaroslav Mostecký (born 1963), author
 * Jiří Dopita (born 1968), ice hockey player
 * Jaroslav Miller (born 1971), professor of history and rector
 * Ondřej Sokol (born 1971), director, actor and translator
 * Simona Babčáková (born 1973), actress
 * Aleš Valenta (born 1973), freestyle skier, Olympic winner
 * Alena Kupčíková (born 1976), contemporary artist
 * Radoslav Kováč (born 1979), football player and manager
 * Ivana Večeřová (born 1979), basketball player
 * Jan Hudec (born 1981), Czech-Canadian skier
 * Jakub Kindl (born 1987), ice hockey player

Twin towns – sister cities
Šumperk is twinned with:

 * 🇩🇪 Bad Hersfeld, Germany
 * 🇦🇹 Ebreichsdorf, Austria
 * Maarssen, Netherlands
 * 🇨🇿 Mikulov, Czech Republic
 * 🇵🇱 Nysa, Poland
 * 🇸🇰 Prievidza, Slovakia
 * 🇮🇹 Sulmona, Italy
 * 🇫🇮 Vaasa, Finland

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Talk:Ipoh

test
Commit by 219.93.174.108 is possibly erronous. This user (IP) has made other 'testing' commits elsewhere. I'm reverting, and hoping someone else will check this.

Thanks! Johnflux 11:29, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

traditional/simplified chinese
I stripped the page from having two versions of chinese. It is pointless and unnecessary and sticking to one version is the norm in articles with chinese characters. I left the Simplified version in ONLY as it is the more "official" version. Momolee 06:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, simplified Chinese is the official script being used in Malaysia. Chongkian (talk) 00:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

new section for movies filmed in ipoh
Movies filmed in ipoh should be in its own category.... maybe not in one category (due to lacking of content) but in a wider category such as "Arts and Entertainment", etc. suggestions???

Debroglie 13:40, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * So far we have the Category:Films shot in Malaysia. Chongkian (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Relocate this block of text to WikiTravel:Ipoh
Have removed this block of text, which is more suitable in the WikiTravel site rather than encyclopedia:

Shopping in the city center can be quite cumbersome, especially those who travel by cars. Finding a parking space in the middle of the city can be difficult; the number of parking space are simply not enough. However, there are several shopping centers in Ipoh that incorporated with ample parking space. Those are The Store and Ipoh Parade,Tesco,Jaya jusco. The latter is Ipoh's largest shopping center that accomodate two anchor tenant, multi-hall cinema, bowling alley and a food court. Carparks are ample, though it can be tricky in the weekend.

Clarify schools section
Wikipedia editors please check to see whether the claims in the school section ("notable for...") is correct or simply a matter of increasing popularity.

The current commentary on each school in the school list should be removed. It does not represent neutral information and sounds like a biased advertisement for each school. --Momolee 07:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Now this section looks better, more NPOV. User:Momolee is right... before the edit most of the stuff is biased.

 * Current list of schools are sorted in alphabetical order. Information regarding Catholic-run schools seem significant (to the history of Ipoh) and have been re-added after removal. Editors please keep it sorted in alphabetical order. And please: do not add cruft or any non-NPOV info about schools. This is an encyclopedia.

 * The Government tamil school at Jalan madras off jalan sungaipari is not listed.

It was a primary school and i studied 4,5 classes selected to go to english medium secondary at Anderson school in 1959, after passing in the govt examination, when head master was  Mr.Nagalingam will anybody give more lihgt on this school?

Vandalism
Ipoh's page has been heavily vandalised. I'm a new Wikipedia user. How can I revert back to older version without manually retyping the text?

 * I've got it. Thanks.

Falim
I've never heard of Falim, can anyone verify if there is such a place? Cavingliz 08:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Falim is located between Menglembu and Ipoh old town along Jalan Lahat. It has a few rows of shop-houses along the main road, and a housing neighborhood behind them. Used to be considered as a town of its own before development spread from town all the way to Menglembu. 202.122.158.242 10:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Falim has its own Wikipedia article already. Chongkian (talk) 04:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

too many redlinks in Schools section
editors, please check this... too many redlinks in "Schools" section.. remove link markup perhaps? need consensus before editing it though

--61.6.103.35 16:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Removal of Chinese name
For background, please see Talk:Kuching. Basically, Chinese is not an official language of Malaysia, so by convention, we should not be using it in the article (otherwise, we have no objective standard for inclusion of alternative names - we might as well put the Swahili transliteration in as well). Jawi has a better claim because it is an alternative script for Malay, which is the official language of Malaysia. Johnleemk | Talk 12:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but is Jawi an official script for Malay? I know it's been a Malay script before the language romanisation, and it's still practice by certain quarter. I'm not in the position of favouring one language over the other, and I don't see how a few Chinese characters here and there clutter up the page. I read the Kuching talk page, and notice your point. I'm just seeing it that settlements with large majority shouldn't hurt to have a few of significant keywords in its language laying around. The fact is, most people refer the place as so. Pages directed from "In Other Languages" is often not as updated as it's English counterpart, if it's even there; thus, Chinese visitors will not be more likely to visit ZH pages anymore than EN's. I do agree to remove both Jawi script and Chinese characters in the info box, leaving it only English, and nation-wide recognized roman script of BM if it differs from its English name. Any additional important information can be included in the main introductory if it's significant to the place. What do you think? Zhernfai 17:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Personally I am inclined to agree - although if Jawi is an official script for Malay (which I think it is), I believe it ought to be included in the infobox as well. I think only official names and common English names should be included in the infobox. Johnleemk | Talk 05:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Majority of people from Ipoh are Chinese, and locals are more inclined to use Chinese names, for stuff like food. Mhching (talk) 18:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

 * As of today, Jawi is only official in Brunei (as the official script, along with Latin alphabet) for their Malay language, not in Malaysia. Chongkian (talk) 04:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Historical information
In the early 70ties, Malaysian (re-)nationalization led to (re-)naming all of Ipoh's streets (and many other things) from English to Malay. Does anyone have a table of street name translations? Where could one find those and would it be appropriate to add it here? Dirk Riehle 18:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

How Ipoh Business today?
I suggest add some information about Ipoh industry areas like Jelapang,Tasek,Melembu ... And some latest information about cafe Oldtown Kopitiam, some more the Secret Recipes (Thai,Indonesia,SG) also from Ipoh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamyng (talk • contribs) 13:57, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Changes on the way
Hi fellow! I'm going to make quite a few changes. Please feel free to discuss with me if you don't like the changes. Thanks. Chrohcl 15:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Why this page name is Ipoh, Malaysia instead of Ipoh, Perak? Furthermore, the move was made by what seems to be a single-purpose account AND without discussion. __earth (Talk) 02:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think its the same reason for Padang, Indonesia instead of Padang, Sumatera. Even though Melbourne is not disambiguated, but normally people will call Melbourne, Australia; not Melbourne, Victoria or Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. The reason for doing this is you try to disambiguate with a place that is more common to many people. Not many people necessarily know where Perak is, but people will know where Malaysia is. Hence, Ipoh, Malaysia. (This will be a different matter if Perak is a well known place. Melbourne in USA is disambiguated Melbourne, Florida because Florida is a well known destination, or at least arguably well known). My 2 cents --Zack2007 (talk) 06:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Why not just Ipoh? Simpler and does not appear to be ambiguous given the fact that it already redirects here. --Polaron | Talk 20:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

 * YUp. i prefer your suggestion __earth (Talk) 12:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

reqimg/skyline
An actual skyline photo be used in the infobox's skyline image option. A single building should not be used, unless this article is about that building. 70.51.8.63 (talk) 05:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Please note that the template documentation for Infobox Settlement says that the "image_skyline" parameter does not need to be restricted to a picture of the city's skyline, despite the parameter name. Tim Pierce (talk) 04:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Ipoh being the fourth largest city in Malaysia, so is Kuching. Please revise.
As stated in the above headline, both Ipoh and Kuching are the fourth largest city in Malaysia. Should anyone find out the definite position of the fourth largest city in Malaysia, please make proper amendments to both Ipoh and Kuching page. Thank you. Naed yeo (talk) 03:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm.... Ipoh is the fourth largest city by ekonomi Kuching now is unknown --Chiweix (talk) 10:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Please visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_Malaysia_by_population Ipoh now is the 6th city of Malaysia and year 2011 will be replaced by 	Shah Alam and Petaling Jaya. Ipoh in year 2012 will be 8th and you will find out the 30 years ago, 8th was Kota Bharu, Kelantan. May be 30 years more Ipoh will be like current Kota Bharu, Kelantan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.137.32.38 (talk) 14:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Changes to Economy Section
Hello. I've made some changes to the information presented in the 'Economy' section of this article and wanted to list the three major ones. I've removed the statement about Kuala Lumpur Kepong Berhad being "among the top 15 biggest companies in Malaysia by revenue" as this information appears to change from time to time. I also had trouble finding a reliable citation to support this statement in present times (as it is so specific about being in the top 15). I removed the statement about Hovid Berhad claiming to be "the first Malaysian company to introduce Malaysian generic drugs overseas" as I could not find any sources to substantiate this. Hovid's Wikipedia page has the same statement but also lacks any citations to prove it. Lastly, I've removed the statement about Old Town Berhad being publicly listed as they have since been privatized. If reliable sources can be found to provide citations for the first two changes (about Kuala Lumpur Kepong Berhad and Hovid Berhad), you are more than welcome to re-add the information back in. AllCass (talk) 10:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Tropical fruit

There are many fruits that typically grow in warm tropical climates or equatorial areas.

Tropical fruits
Varieties of tropical fruit include:
 * Abiu
 * Açaí
 * Acerola (West Indian cherry; Barbados cherry)
 * Achachairú (Bolivian mangosteen; achacha)
 * Ackee
 * Atemoya
 * Avocado (alligator pear)
 * Banana
 * Bengal currant,(Christ's thorn,[1] Carandas plum, Karonda, Karanda and Kanna)
 * Biribá (lemon meringue pie fruit)
 * Black sapote (chocolate pudding fruit)
 * Brazil nut
 * Breadfruit
 * Cacao pod
 * Caimito (star apple)
 * Canistel (eggfruit)
 * Carambola (star fruit; five fingers)
 * Cashew apple
 * Chempedak
 * Cherimoya
 * Coconut
 * Coffee cherry
 * Cupuaçu
 * Custard apple
 * Dragon fruit (pitaya)
 * Durian
 * Genipap
 * Governor's plum
 * Granadilla (maracujá-açu in Portuguese)
 * Guaraná
 * Guava
 * Hog plum (taperebá in Portuguese)
 * Ice-cream bean (inga-cipó in Portuguese)
 * Jabuticaba
 * Jackfruit

 * June plum (golden apple;cajamanga or cajarana in Portuguese)
 * jamun
 * Indian jujube,[2] Indian plum,[2] Chinese date,[2] Chinee apple,[2] ber[2] and dunks]]
 * Langsat (longkong)
 * Longan
 * Lúcuma
 * Lychee
 * Macadamia
 * Malay apple (rose apple; pommerac in French)
 * Manila tamarind, Madras thorn, monkeypod tree or camachile,)
 * Mamey apple
 * Mamey sapote (abricó in Portuguese)
 * Mango
 * Mangosteen
 * Marang
 * Miracle fruit
 * mousami, musami, mosambi, sweet lime, sweet lemon, and sweet limetta]]
 * Natal plum
 * Orange
 * Papaya
 * Passion fruit
 * Peanut butter fruit
 * Pewa (peach nut; pupunha in Portuguese)
 * Pili nut
 * Pineapple
 * Plantain
 * pomelo
 * Pulasan
 * Quenepa (Spanish lime; mamoncillo)
 * Rambutan
 * Safou (butterfruit)
 * Salak (snake fruit)
 * Sapodilla (chicle; naseberry)
 * silver date palm, Indian date, sugar date palm or wild date palm]]
 * Soursop (graviola in Portuguese)
 * Strawberry guava (Cattley guava)
 * Sugar apple (sweetsop; ata in Portuguese)
 * Suriname cherry (pitanga)
 * Tamarind
 * Wax apple (bell apple)
 * White sapote

title: Tropical fruit