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Talk:Google Maps/Archive 2

Talk:Google Maps/Archive1

Indian Cities
TexasAndroid!! why do you think that site you moderate is much more important than others? You have been deleting site I add everytime. This site offers number of maps of Indian cities which are not found on any other site. Could you please tell me why you keep deleting? If you say that you want to keep this list minimal then delete yours too. Unsigned comment by 130.239.192.79.
 * I'll respond to your comments about the Indian link here, and start another section to respond about GG. These are really two toally separate issues.  As for the Indian link, the reason I keep deleting it is exactly as I start in my regular edit comment.  The link has not been discussed.  If you want the link to not be deleted, it needs to be discussed here.  The edit comment says clearly that's what needs to happen.  See the discussion above about Placeopedia for an example of how this can happen.  But you made no effort to come here and persuade us to let the link stay.  You just replaced it, and then came in here angry.  Well, let's start the discussion.  Please let us know why you think the link deserves to be up, when similar sites for England, Switserland, Austrailia, etc. do not.  If we start letting in country specific sites, it's going to be hard to deny any of them, and very quickly we'll be back where we were, and every single link will be removed.  That's why I do the clean-out, because the only way we can avoid rightful removal of the whole list is by limiting it to a very small selection of links.  TexasAndroid 16:25, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's understandable that the anonymous commenter feels confused, although that doesn't justify his/her behaviour. There is no clear set of criteria set forth at this point for what links are considered to be of value.  Therefore, I would propose the following straightforward framework of criteria:
 * The link has first been discussed on the Talk Page, AND
 * Is a unique application of Google Maps services that meaningfully contributes to the reader's understanding of the technology, OR
 * Offers the best available example of a particular application, that meaningfully contributes to the reader's understanding of the technology and is not already provided for in the list, OR
 * Is deemed, after consultation with the community (that means here on this talk page), to be of particular interest to Wikipedia users and editors beyond that of the community as a whole.
 * This means, necessarily, that the following pages would be inappropriate:
 * A link that has not been discussed on the Talk Page, AND
 * Does not offer a unique application of the services, AND
 * Is not the best example of the application, AND
 * Has no specific connection to Wikipedia to warrant mention.
 * I believe this more or less summarizes the decision-making process we have used thus far, and when applied to the current collection of links on the page makes sense. One could always claim, of course, that under criterion 3 some existing links should be replaced with better ones.  That's fine.  I think TexasAndroid would agree that if a clearly superior GMaps archive site were to spring up, it should take GG's place.  For the time being, however, no such site has been suggested here. -Joshuapaquin 17:26, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Aw, crap -- after all that, I just realized we weren't talking about the Applications section. OK, so here's a much simpler rationale:
 * Wikipedia is an international project. When we're trying to keep links to a minimum, it is a sensible limitation to stick to those sites with global reach.
 * The typical Wikipedia user is considerably more likely to get something out of the existing links than one that is India-only. It's not that India isn't interesting.  It's that most Wikipedians are not from India!  (except for here, perhaps, which I think would make a much better location for this link)
 * The three sites already up are well-established as the most prominent collection of international links, as determined when the links section was reorganized from the horrible mess it once was. As for the one that goes to my userspace (hey, it's a conflict of interest party at the GMaps talk page!), that's something with such a unique connection to Wikipedia - it's created by this community - that I think warrants inclusion.
 * -Joshuapaquin 17:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Further suggested criterion, given an addition today: The link must be in English or have an English version! -Joshuapaquin 21:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree that a site showcasing only Indian cities without any review is insufficiently noteworthy for the links section. There are 170+ or so countries in the world; we cannot commit to including a link for one such site per country. Even if the site had review, or expanded its reach beyond India, it would still not be noteworthy -- it would be redundant with other sites already listed and preexisting. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Google Globetrotting
Responding to the comments about GG made in the last section.

Yes, I moderate at Goole Globetrotting. I have tried to be very careful in my handling of the link on the page because of that fact. I was not the one who pared down the list when it became too large, so I was not the one who chose to leave it in there. This morning I saw it deleted by and anon with no edit comments to explain why. So in addition to removing the one undiscussed link, I restored the GG link. I think my restoration has been shown even more justified by your comment. It certainly appears, after your comment, that the only reason the link was removed was because of the connection to me. An action to strike at me for the regular link clearing. I'm sorry, but to me this is very close to a violation of WP:POINT. You deleted the link connected to me because I'm deleting the links connected to you. That's disruption solely to make a point.

That aside, I do think GG belongs here. It is a massive collection of GMaps links, over 9,000. The largest collection on the net. And it is world-wide, showing links from everywhere they can be found. While I cannot dismiss my personal bias completely, I do beleive I would think it deserved a spot even if I had no connection to it.

Is there anyone who can give reasons, other than the connection to me, that it does not belong here? The only one I can think of is Wikipedia is not a repository of links, and that is the core reason we're fighting to keep the list small. Because if it grows, it can be rightfully argued that the whole list has to go. TexasAndroid 16:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I know you asked for opposing comments, but I'm going to post a supporting one. GG is notable in this list because A. it was an early entry in the field, B. it is almost certainly the most exhaustive collection available, C. it's global (heck, thanks to my prodding, it's even super-global! :) ), D. it's features outshine all other collection sites, E. it encourages and has an active community. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 16:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Google Globetrotting has been deleted by an anon. Their edit comment raises three points.  1) No need for two archival sites.  2) GGT running contests.  3) Perljam being more "educational' than GGT.  The first has been discussed here on the talk page, and I beleive we agreed both had their place.  I really cannot argue with the second, because GGT is indeed in the middle of a contest to help drive up participation.  But the last has me totally puzzled.  I have no idea how Perljam can be considered more educational than GGT.  (I would not call GGT more educational than Perljam either)  I just don't get it.  Anyway, given my personal connections to GGT, I'm not gonna revert this deletion.  But if someone else disagrees with the removal from the page, it would be great to see it returned. - TexasAndroid 14:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not going to sit here and start playing games with GGT's link however I believe GGT's place here needs to be re-evaluated. The fact that users have a financial incentive to "submit maps" means that GGT is essentially quantity over quality. Just because a website has 10000+ maps doesn't make it worthy to be listed here. I have no connect with Perljam's Links, but I feel that their website is superior to GGT. Both website do have link advertising and obviously make money and there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Both sites are very similar and there is no need for both to be listed here. There needs to be a compelling reason to keep GGT and so far, I really don't see one, as long as GGT users have a financial incentive to "submit maps". - 68.229.32.7 16:48, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Wheee. Debate time.  I'm glad you returned, because I would really like to know why you say what you say.
 * The "Quantity over quality" argument could be made equally for both sites. That's why I call them "archival" sites.  Both sites will accept just about any submission, high or low quality.  While the contest may be upping the rate a bit for GGT, I really do not see the difference overall between the two sites on this point.
 * First (in your edit summary) you call PJ more "educational" than GGT. Now you say it is superior.  Please explain why you think these things.  What exactly makes PJ more educational than GGT?  In what way is PJ superior to GGT?
 * If you truely think that the GGT link should go, you need to be a good bit more persuasive and detailed in your arguments. While I'm unlikely to change my mind about GGT belonging here, there are several other regulars here who have no direct connections to GGT as I do.  They are who you need to persuade.  In the end, while I want the GGT link to remain, I even more respect the Wiki process.  And if you were to manage to persuade the other regulars that the GGT link should go, then so be it.  And persuade or not, an honest debate on the subject can hopefully be a good thing overall. - TexasAndroid 15:26, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Custom map/waypoint sites
I propose that the links include one example of custom waypoint generator sites. Possible examples include MyGMaps (around longest) or MapBuilder (seemingly easier to use and fuller-featured). - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds interesting. I went to check out both sites.  MapBuilder looks interesting but doesn't seem to play nicely with my Firefox, so I can't speak for its usefulness.  MyGMaps seems to require an account to use, which I think renders it inappropriate. -Joshuapaquin 02:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * MyGmaps accounts are free (just like WP accounts :) ). Incidentally, the site can be used with compliant XMLs from other sites, though I don't think this is documented. The accounts are used to associate stored maps. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 17:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Another thought. myGmaps is the work of Follower, who was one of the (if not *the*) first to show how the GMaps .js files could be copied to a local site, and with the help of a small tool, developers could create customer installations of Google Maps with custom waypoints etc. for their own purposes. This is the "standalone server" method which predated (and undoubtedly prompted) the release of the API. myGmaps was one of the proofs-of-concept for that method (another was the Seattle 911 map). - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 17:47, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * myGMaps accounts differ from WP accounts in a very important way - you don't need an account to view Wikipedia content. I'm hesitant to link to anything that requires people to enter personally identifiable information to use.  It's not that I'm a privacy freak; but we should certainly respect those who don't want to do that.  -Joshuapaquin 18:32, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, MapBuilder has been restored again, without conclusive discussion, so I'm reverting it. I tried MapBuilder, and wasn't exactly clear on what it does or how it works.  Plus it crashed my IE (after doing the same to my Firefox).  So for now, I'm voting against the inclusion of MapBuilder for practical reasons.  If anyone has better experience, do post here. -Joshuapaquin 23:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Works OK for me in FF1.0.6. You enter coordinates, and a caption, select an icon color, and click Add to add the point to the map. That's the gist of it for as far as I got. Unfortunately even though it provides a section to enter street addresses, it does not use them to find points (like MyGMaps does). - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 00:07, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * > Unfortunately even though it provides a section to enter street addresses, it does not use them to find points
 * Really? Did you tried an example? Or may be you entered not valid email address...? Andrew Bidochko 00:07, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I've got the first report here that MapBuilder.net hangs in FireFox. Would you like to check this problem again and report the problem using feedback form at http://mapbuilder.net/Contact.php Thanks, Andrew. MapBuilder.net Developer.
 * PS: More than 1,000 users can use MapBuilder in both browsers and map about 7,000 location without any problems. What about you, Joshuapaquin? What's the deal? What your crash looks like?
 * PSS: feel free to email me wiki at abidcom.com. Also would you like to explain the idea of "free encyclopedia"... why some people managed content provided by other people. I'm new to wiki so it will be interesting to know. Thanks.

 * I'm not terribly cut up about the problem with Firefox. I mention it to explain that I haven't been able to give MapBuilder a proper evaluation.

 * As for Wikipedia's shared-editing policy, a summary of the way things work can be found at The Five pillars. The idea is that even though you have contributed content, others may edit or even remove that content in the interests of building a better encyclopedia.  You are more than welcome, for example, to change any of my 500 edits if it makes the encyclopedia better.  In this particular case, we're dealing with a problem on this page of excessive link clutter.  We're trying to keep the number of external links to a bare minimum for stylistic and readability purposes.  That means that new links will be subject to a review process.  It's nothing elitist, but those who have paid particular interest to this article are keeping a close and activist eye on it. -Joshuapaquin 00:33, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Err, I see it has been restored again. Let me explain:  MapBuilder's link will be mercilessly removed on sight until there has been a discussion here, in which there is a significant consensus (usually interpreted as something around 3/4 of interested users).  Please, let's be civil and talk.  "Edit wars" are a waste of time. -Joshuapaquin 00:53, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * First of all thanks for explanation of the Wikipedia's shared-editing policy. I deeply understand consensus idea and whould like to know who are the "interest users" and what selection criteria do they apply to sites published in "Examples of web tools employing Google Maps" chapter. I would like you to make those criteria available for the entire community. Thanks Andrew Bidochko 00:07, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The users who have been monitoring this site primarily have been (and I hope I'm not missing anyone) myself, TexasAndroid, and Keith Tyler. There is no 'secret cabal' here; all communication is done on this page.

 * It may be rather tiresome to go through the entire page to find out what our selection criteria have been. As you can see, it's been a tricky business.  However, in response to another proposed addition, I presented a summary of these criteria in the section entitled "Indian Cities".  Just scroll up and look for the bullet points.  It would seem sensible to use those points as a basis for discussion of your proposed new link. -Joshuapaquin 03:54, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I respect all you guys (Joshuapaquin, TexasAndroid, and Keith Tyler) and see that Joshuapaquin and TexasAndroid manage sites whichh collect aerial views and both of you put links to your sites under "Websites collecting Google Maps aerial views". So here's the couple questions:
 * 1. How much do you know about "unique application", "best available example of a particular application"? How do you make your conclusions? Why real open source and open content community should trust your decisions?
 * 2. I would like to suggest to the following statement "after consultation with the community ... to be of particular interest to Wikipedia users). 3 people is a very small community.
 * 3. Finally I think removing posted links is completely wrong method. As far as I understood this page belongs to the real community - not only to 3 people. !!!Before!!! removing the links I suggest to discuss among you why you need to remove it. And I personally do not want to discuss why we should add the link. It's users right to add free content to free encyclopedia.
 * 4. Month ago, before submitting MapBuilder.net link to this page after its disappearing I found information that it's necessary to contact TexasAndroid before submitting the link. can you tell people how to contact this guy? Where is his email, ICQ, phone, PO, etc??? It was impossible to find TexasAndroids contactinfo even through Google.
 * 5. Do you (Joshuapaquin, TexasAndroid, and Keith Tyler) have exclusive rights to update content on this page?
 * 6. Personally I would like to know explanation(except link was not discussed) why link and text about MapBuilder.net was removed (I will feel myself free and add "Usefull Tools" section to this page along with your "Websites collecting Google Maps aerial views").
 * 7. Did you noticed that you publish 4 links for sites with IDENTICAL idea in the "Websites collecting Google Maps aerial views" section? You broke your own "unique application of Google Maps services" statement.
 * Andrew Bidochko 00:07, 6 October 2005 (UTC).

 * Abidcom, I'm going to try to answer your questions. Maybe we'll understand each other a little better afterward.  I respect and appreciate your good faith and intention in editing here at Wikipedia, and hope that you'll consider contributing your knowledge to some more of the  articles in our encyclopedia.

 * First off I'd address your concern over the fact that TexasAndroid and I have 'our sites' on the page. TexasAndroid has always been completely forthcoming about his connection to his site, and I think we can all appreciate that.  As for the page in my User space, to be honest I've barely touched it.  I simply volunteered to host that collection of links in my userpage when it had grown too large to be included in the original Google Maps page.  To say I "manage" it isn't quite the case.
 * We must also be clear on the page history. The Gmaps page was once an enormous and unacceptable list of links to anything even remotely connected to the service.  We cut alot, and TexasAndroid has patiently gone through the repetitive task of clearing links that anonymous users replaced.  Most of these links, you must understand, were little more than spam for the websites in question.  That's unacceptable.  It's also unencyclopedic to assign point-of-view assertions to a link, e.g. your description of MapBuilder as "an excellent tool".  I'm sure it very well may be, but that's not the style of this encyclopedia.
 * I don't think any of us would profess to be the ultimate authority on online applications of the Google Maps service. Wikipedia operates on the premise that the personal experience and background of the contributor is irrelevant to the usefulness of the contribution.  The term 'contribution', it should be mentioned, would refer to any modification to an article (whether or not new substantive content is provided).  This in fact was a major reason for Wikipedia to split off from its parent project, Nupedia.  Now, as for how the conclusion is reached, it's a matter of discussion.  Obviously some application sites use the service in a more comprehensive and eye-opening fashion.  It's preferable to showcase such sites over those who use only basic Gmaps functionality as a peripheral body of content.  The proper process would be to come and introduce a new link here at the talk page before adding it.  Anyone interested is welcome to participate.
 * Your third question raises the issue of what might be considered a wiki form of reverse onus. It is impractical for there to be a formal discussion of every link that's added.  If that were the case, we'd have to be online several hours a day to keep up with all the links that get added - and there would be 300 links on the page in the meantime!  The Gmaps page presents a problem for editors because there are just so many attempts to add links that - whether or not they are deserving - they would together make the article way too long and link-heavy.  Therefore we've established a process, and so far it's been working fairly well.
 * As for the user's right to add content, that's absolutely the case. We all want to make the encyclopedia better.  So that means your right to add content is not superior to my right to remove it, or vice-versa.  So what happens when we disagree?  We go with the community consensus and expect people to have the decency to stick by it.  At the moment, the editors who have chosen to make their feelings known on the issue are the same three we discussed before.  So, plus you, we are at four.  So let's chat about the link and see if we can agree on the proposed change.
 * The easiest way to contact any Wikipedia user is through his/her Talk Page. When you click on a username, you'll proceed to that user's personal page, then click "discuss" at the top of that page.  For example, my Talk Page is User talk:Joshuapaquin.  When you add a note there, I will receive a message telling me that you have done so.
 * Some users also allow you to e-mail them. To do that, go to their user page and look for the link on the left hand side that says "E-mail this user".  Test it on me if you'd like.  You won't get their e-mail address, but you'll get a form that will let Wikipedia send them mail on your behalf.  It's a nifty feature!
 * No editor has exclusive rights to edit the content of this or most Wikipedia pages (protected pages are a special case that doesn't apply here). Anyone at all can come and join the discussion about new links.  There are even ways to ask the general Wikipedia community to drop by, read the differing sides in a dispute, and leave comments.  Nobody has seniority - if twenty people who have never before edited this page drop by tomorrow and say, "We think that you should add any site that anyone submits", then that position will have sufficient numbers to be considered a consensus opinion.  It's a very open process (do avoid the temptation to Sockpuppetry!).  The only reason that Keith Tyler, TexasAndroid and I have set the consensus opinion thus far is that we are the only editors who have consistently come back to speak our minds when things come up on this page.
 * I don't have any specific reason for MapBuilder.net to have been removed except for the fact that it wasn't discussed. The consensus opinion has been that no further reason is necessary!  MapBuilder may be very useful... I don't really know, because my computer doesn't seem to like it.  Although, I do remember, it didn't seem very clear to me what exactly MapBuilder does.  The explanation on the home page was not terribly clear to me, and I think that that is something to bear in mind before we link to any page.
 * The "Unique applications" statement was written for the Examples of Websites using Google Maps section, not really for the Aerial Imagery section. But I do see your point.  Personally I think that those four links, being recognized as the definitive collections of such imagery, are fine, though if someone proposed we whittle it down to one or two, I doubt that I'd object.  Four links in a section is not too bad.  The older situation where we were seeing dozens of links, however, was not OK.
 * Whew! I think that's everything.  I feel like I just finished a master's thesis in WikiPolicy!  Let me know if there's anything else I can answer... -Joshuapaquin 06:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hah, I will try thoroughly read the statement above sometime tomorrow. To late for tonight.
 * Meantime I'm waiting for the discussion and classification for MapBuilder.net from the community which is responsible for this page maintenance.
 * BTW, slogan on MapBuilder.net (top right side) says "MapBuilder lets you tag locations on a map and publish it on your own site. Mapping is now easier than ever. It's free.". I thinks it's clear enough to explain MapBuilder functionality.
 * Andrew Bidochko.

 * Your questions indicate that you are not listening, and I for one do not have a lot of patience

for non-contributors who do not listen. You should read this entire page. Read it until you understand it. Then you should go to the Wikipedia home page and find information on what Wikipedia is and how it works. Again, read it until you understand it. So far, I do not see that you understand what is going on, but all of what you ask for has been stated or is readily available. MapBuilder.net may or may not be added depending on how the ongoing discussion assesses its suitability. That discussion had already been going on before you disrupted it with irrelevant questions and arrogant presuppositions and insistences. The discussion and review process is one that is strongly supported within Wikipedia, and I advise you not to continue to try and override or disrupt it. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 22:42, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Collection sites
Andrew Bidochko made a point about the four links being similar to each other. He has a point, but I beleive there are some distinct differences.

First is the list maintained in Joshuapaquin's user space. This one is listed for one key reason. The fact tht it is controlled by Wikipedia users. It is thus a showcase of what maps Wikipedians beleive are most worthy of tracking. Since this is Wikipedia, I think that alone qualifies it for inclusion. OTOH, that's really the only reason for it's inclusion. As a link repository it pales in comparison to the other three.

Next is GS, Google Sightseeing. To me this is the most unique of the four. Quite a while back I labeled it a "Showcase" site to distinguish it from GG/Perljam. GS only shows the most interesting links. Not the mundane. This means that most every link they show should have a high interest factor. Also, they have much more active users in the comments sections than any of the other sites. Just look back at the hundreds of comments/analysis left on the Florida/LA UFOs a few months back.

The two that are the most similar are GG and Perljam. Both are "Archival" sites, where almost any map of even marginal interest will be kept. It is here that the argument for duplication is strongest. If we had to trim the list even further, one or the other of these could likely go. If it came to it, I do believe that GG is the better of the two sites, but for obvious reasons I cannot be totally neutral on the subject. TexasAndroid 18:19, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I do not support removing any of them:
 * Wikipedia content is a no-brainer. The content is already in WP, and the Wiki principle fails if we start refusing to link it together.
 * Google Sightseeing is probably the most popular / hyped. It comes with a fair amount of pomp, and special consideration and attention is given to each entry by the maintainers.
 * PerlJam, I believe, is the oldest.
 * GG is, I believe, the most open, the easiest to contribute to, and probably the largest collection.
 * Each of these are inclusion-worthy standards. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 22:47, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * For the sake of argument, I disagree that age of site is in itself an inclusion-worthy standard. But I still agree that all three should be on the list. -Joshuapaquin 07:08, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Google Maps & Google Local merger
I just noticed today, October 6 at about 6:00 PM EDT, that Google Maps and Google Local have effectively merged their functionalities, umbrellaing both services under the Google Local name, thus also bringing Google Maps out of beta. How long ago did this occur? Gus 22:07, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * This happened within the past 2 or 3 days, I believe - but I didn't notice until you pointed it out that they now have been consolidated as Google Local. I think we're going to need to move this page to Google Local, which currently redirects to List of Google services and tools.  And it will also have to be updated to make sense with the new name.  Who's with me? -Joshuapaquin 05:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I dunno. There is now a lot of Maps-specific content here that doesn't necessarily belong under Google Local. FWIW, http://maps.google.com still works; and the API is still called the Google Maps API. Based on these, I'm not sure I even support a merge and redirect. It seems to me that Google Local is one application which has been combined with another application (Google Maps) which is technically distinct. I could see maybe moving the capital M to a small m.... - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 21:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm, that's a good point about the API. I doubt websites that use it will follow the rebranding.  However, while maps.google.com still works, the page it points to is called "Google Local" and is identical to the page at local.google.com.

 * Google Maps left "beta" on October 6, http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/local_merge.html, I think the wiki page should be updated as such. (And I think the Google Map wiki page should remain seperate from "Local"). Bjornman 11 October 2005

Andrew
You've been asked multiple times to stop putting your link on the article. You are more than welcome to discuss the merits of your site for addition. The regular contributors of this article have agreed that there must be some review of links to prevent the link section from growing too long. Please respect the process we have built. Your attempts to force your link on the page are preventing any productive discussions to take place, plus you are only making yourself look bad by not respecting our agreed-upon process, or that of Wikipedia. Please take a look at Vandalism and Spam. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not discussing here, I'm only proposing. You (main contibutors, community) make discussion. If you have some questions - feel free to ask. Whatever is best for you. Take care. -(unsigned comment presumably from User:Abidcom)

 * Fair enough, then. I went to the site today and found the publishing functionality I couldn't see before; it can only be accessed by signing up for an account (whether or not this is OK by wiki standards is unknown to me).  So the question is, does this link allow the user to improve their understanding of the technology in a way the others don't?

 * I'd have to say no, unfortunately. The idea of user-created markers placed on the map is found in the existent Google Maps Route Planner link.  And the (really really clever!) Geobloggers link is similar too.  So I would say that Mapbuilder provides a basic user-plotting demonstration, while the other two sites offer much more applied ones. -Joshuapaquin 04:30, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not simply a demonstration though, it's an active tool by which a non-programmer can create custom maps. Your other examples don't really provide that. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The main idea of map builder is to GENERATE SOURCE CODE for created map and not just map locations. I hope this helps not-tech users to build&publish their own maps very much. And sure this "improve their understanding of the technology". User:Abidcom

 * The purpose of the article is not to promote use of Gmaps, it is to inform. And the information that users gain from use of the MapBuilder site - specifically, how it uses HTML - is readily available from the existing link to the API, and with detailed explanations at that.  Also, this functionality requires registration with both MapBuilder and Google Maps API.  To me, that is not acceptable for a Wikipedia link (and why I also oppose a link to MyGmaps).  -Joshuapaquin 15:56, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Frankly, FWIW, it is a rather heavy method of making custom maps -- repeated use of  and , which is directly taken from the examples already available at Google's Google Maps API guide -- rather than the more flexible method of a custom XML or points fed into a generic engine, as MyGMaps does. I'd have to say your method of generating maps creates a further dependency on MapBuilder.net to generate new maps -- or at least, the method you are teaching users is one which requires wholesale code changes to create different maps. Compared with the XML method, it's harder to make flexible. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 22:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree about purpose - to inform. But for my personal opinion mapbuilder easily feets into "Examples of web tools employing Google Maps" category, specially as "Web Tool". User:Abidcom

 * Any chance to see some follow up on the community discussion if it worth to include MapBuilder.net? User:Abidcom

 * Well, it seems to me that the discussion - such as it is - currently leans toward the exclusion of the link from the list. -Joshuapaquin 07:06, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I do not see any discussion here as well. I wanted to see real discussion and thoughts about "include" or "do not include". But looks like no one want's to start discussion. User:Abidcom

 * Please do not act on this yet, but my inclination is that, with no real strong objections being raised to it's inclusion, and given that we have nothing else quite like it in the current set, that maybe it should be included. TexasAndroid 17:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I am a little concerned about the fact that a user must register both with MapBuilder.net and the Google Maps API in order to gain access to the functionality we want to add. I'm not sure that that's OK, in terms of Wikipedia principles (or even practicality's sake).  What do you think?  -Joshuapaquin 17:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm inclined to say we should include both (MB.n and MyGM). They are both about equally noteworthy to the article topic for reasons stated earlier. I don't quite follow Joshua's aversion to user accounts. Actually, I'd say it is necessary in a web-based tool of this nature. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Mobile GMaps
Do you think it's worth mentioning Mobile GMaps on the Google Maps page? Or maybe adding an external link? Cristian Streng 18:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Certainly looks to me like it meets criteria for mention on the page -- extension to other platforms is a big deal I think! -Joshuapaquin 18:59, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * My opinion is that, if it has it's own Wiki page, then that page can go in the See Also section instead of adding a direct link. That way we are sending people to the Wiki page on the subject, with additional information, and they can jump to the external page from the Wiki page if they want to do so. This is how we ended up handling Placopedia, for instance.  - TexasAndroid 19:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That makes sense, though I fear that the Wiki page in question may not be long for this world. It wouldn't shock me to see it up for VfD unless new content gets added... but yeah, why don't we link to the wiki page for now.  I'd think though that maybe it should go under "examples of web tools" where it fits in better?  It's not an external link, but it's about an external link.  -Joshuapaquin 19:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I added it for now in the See Also section. New content will be added soon to the Wiki page, so I hope it won't get to VfD. - Cristian Streng 21:59, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * IMO an article on Mobile GMaps should be merged into an article on GMaps. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 22:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Polls: Addition of custom map-making sites
I think we need to move on this matter; this is a particular category of Google Maps related links that are noteworthy but which the article lacks. Disruptive activities by the owner of one of the sites (which seem to have dissipated) notwithstanding, the links have been in question for months and deserve a decision. I propose the following votes.

If you think the site in question should be added to the External Links section, vote under YES, else vote under NO. You know the drill.

Include MyGmaps?

YES:

NO:
 * -Joshuapaquin 23:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Include MapBuilder?

YES: -Joshuapaquin 23:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

NO:

Discussion

I'm voting against MyGmaps -- it seems to have been cited for relevance only because it was the first to do such-and-such, not because of its inherent value today. As for MapBuilder... eeeeeeee.... I'll vote Yes for now, because it seems that there is some demand for a custom-map site. But of course, if a better example is found, let's go with that. -Joshuapaquin 23:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, another difference is that MyGMaps creates maps that are exportable in XML format. I dunno if that is very important to most people, but it was to me when I was dabbling in GMaps. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 20:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Annnddd speaking of better examples, has anyone had a look at Wayfaring.com? Pretty darn impressive. -Joshuapaquin 22:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm here! I'm working on additional features for MapBuilder.net and follow your discussion. I like to see the poll and related discussion. Here's my 2 cents regards Wayfaring.com. It's pretty neat site but I've found it almost the same as [tagzania.com]. Andrew.

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Your proposal at Talk:Empress Eishō was arguably valid; and it does merit further consideration. I wonder if your view might be somewhat modified in a contixt like Empress dowager? --Tenmei (talk) 19:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Richard Ponsonby-Fane
I am surprised by the following:
 * "... thanks to Google Book Search, I was able to peek inside R. Ponsonby-Fane's The Imperial House of Japan."

How were you able to access an on-line version of any Ponsonby-Fane book? In my experience with Google Book Search, there is nothing but bibliographic citation data available on-line. I've been using an actual hard-copy book acquired by the New York Public Library through inter-library loan for brief, two-week periods. If your ability to access books is different than mine, I'm very eager to learn about it. Yes, it's nice to turn the pages. Yes, I like lingering over the way Ponsonby-Fane expresses himself. Nevertheless, it is clear that on-line internet access whenever I want it would be very welcome.

Could it be that your Google Book Search engine is calibrated differently than mine? In hopes that it might make a difference, I tried searching via Google.nl.

As it happens, my most oft-cited online source was published by Dutch scholar Isaac Titsingh (1745-1812); however, using the conventional Google book-search engine, I can't always access either of the full-text, on-line versions of Nihon Odai Ichiran which were digitized by the University of Michigan and by Stanford University. Most often, I need to "find" the book via a citation-link I've posted in a Wikipedia article; otherwise, I find that what I know is available remains oddly inaccessible. Perhaps this is another example of that kind of search-engine glitch?

Alternately, I suppose this may have been nothing more than a curious mistake? I did post a link to an on-line page in Emperor of Japan by Donald Keene -- here at pp. 531-532? Perhaps that was the page you checked out, and it was a simple mistake in remembering that you were looking at something written by Richard Ponsonby-Fane? --Tenmei (talk) 17:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Romanization for words of English origin
On the MOS:JP talk page, a discussion has been started about including or not including romanizations for words of English origin, such as Fainaru Fantajī in Final Fantasy (ファイナルファンタジー) (for the sake of simplicity, I called this case "words of English origin", more information on semantics here).

Over the course of a month, it has become apparent that both the parties proposing to include or not include those romanizations cannot be convinced by the arguments or guidelines brought up by the other side. Therefore, a compromise is trying to be found that will satisfy both parties. One suggestion on a compromise has been given already, but it has not found unanimous agreement, so additional compromises are encouraged to be suggested.

One universally accepted point was to bring more users from the affected projects in to help achieve consensus, and you were one of those selected in the process.

What this invitation is: What this invitation is not:
 * You should give feedback on the first suggested compromise and are highly encouraged to provide other solutions.
 * This is not a vote on including or excluding such romanizations.
 * This is not a vote on compromises either.

It would be highly appreciated if you came over to the MOS:JP talk page and helped find a solution. Thank you in advance. Prime Blue (talk) 11:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Holy trinity (cooking)

The "holy trinity" in Cajun cuisine and Louisiana Creole cuisine is the base for several dishes in the regional cuisines of Louisiana and consists of onions, bell peppers and celery. The preparation of Cajun/Creole dishes such as crawfish étouffée, gumbo, and jambalaya all start from this base.

Variants use garlic, parsley, or shallots in addition to the three trinity ingredients. The addition of garlic to the holy trinity is sometimes referred to as adding "the pope."

The holy trinity is the Cajun and Louisiana Creole variant of mirepoix; traditional mirepoix is two parts onions, one part carrots, and one part celery, whereas the holy trinity is typically one or two parts onions, one part green bell pepper, and one part celery. It is also an evolution of the Spanish sofrito, which contains onion, garlic, bell peppers, and tomatoes.

Origin of the name
The name is an allusion to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.

The term is first attested in 1981 and was probably popularized by Paul Prudhomme.

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List of islands of England
I've mentioned those "island"s, along with some others, in a seperate list which I've moved from the list of the British Isles. The only one with a claim to being an island at present, which seems to me to be the key qualification for the list, is the Isle of Thanet, but it's not usually included in lists. What do you think? Warofdreams 17:54, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanet is in the right place in a list of Islands in name only.
 * Would you or Warofdreams care to go and revert Steinsky's revert of my putting Athelney and Isle of Purbeck into Category:English islands? Ely and Thanet are in that category so Athelney and Purbeck should be too.
 * -- RWH 18:32, 2005 Feb 11 (UTC)

 * Gents, a suggestion. Would it be worthwhile creating a new subcategory of English islands, say, Islands in name only of England or similar? If we believe these to be islands in name only then the articles could go there; otherwise, we could discuss the current / historical status of the islands to place them accurately... Comments, please. Ian Cairns 20:40, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Category:Islands in name only of England - precisely what I had in mind. -- RWH 07:28, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm sure you understand that vandalizing user pages is an exceptionally poor way to advance your political ideas. Please stop; it's very boring. CDC  (talk)  04:49, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Yuriy Lutsenko

Yuriy Vitaliyovych Lutsenko (Юрій Віталійович Луценко; born 14 December 1964) is a Ukrainian politician (whose most recent post was Prosecutor General of Ukraine from 12 May 2016 until 29 August 2019 ), Ukrainian Interior Minister and member in the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Lutsenko has been a long serving people's deputy in the Verkhovna Rada (the Ukrainian parliament); first elected in 2002 and reelected in 2007 and 2014.

Lutsenko was Minister of Internal Affairs in the two cabinets of Yulia Tymoshenko and in the cabinets of Yuriy Yekhanurov and Viktor Yanukovych. The Ministry of Internal Affairs is the Ukrainian police authority, and Lutsenko became the first civilian minister in February 2005. Lutsenko is also a former leader of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc, and a former leader of its faction in the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament).

In 2010, Lutsenko was charged with abuse of office and forgery by Prosecutor General of Ukraine Viktor Pshonka, in what was widely viewed as political retaliation for having investigated one of Yanukovych's cabinet members four years earlier. In 2012, he was sentenced to four years in prison, but was pardoned by Yanukovych in 2013. In 2016, he became Ukraine's chief prosecutor under President Petro Poroshenko, during which time he was criticized for undermining Ukraine's newly established National Anti-Corruption Bureau. While in office, Lutsenko became a central figure in the Trump–Ukraine scandal, in which he worked with U.S. President Donald Trump to try to find incriminating information on Trump's then-presumed opponent in the 2020 United States presidential election, Joe Biden. He was dismissed by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in 2019; Trump later tried unsuccessfully to pressure Zelenskyy to reinstate him.

Following the February 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Lutsenko joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine and has taken part in several battles since. On 5 July 2023 Lutsenko announced that he would no longer serve in the Ukrainian Armed Forces due to an established disability. According to him, he would "work towards victory as a volunteer".

Early life
Lutsenko was born in Rivne. His father was Vitaliy Ivanovych Lutsenko (15 March 1937 – 4 June 1999), who was elected people's deputy of Ukraine in 1994 and 1998, and secretary of the Central Committee of Communist Party of Ukraine. Lutsenko's mother is Vira Mikhailivna (born 1936), a veterinarian.

Lutsenko earned his degree in electronic engineering in 1989 from Lviv Polytechnical Institute.

Political career
Lutsenko first gained public fame as one of the leaders of the Ukraine without Kuchma campaign, which followed the Cassette Scandal of 2000. He was also one of the "faces of the Orange Revolution". From 1991, Lutsenko was a long-term member of the Socialist Party of Ukraine (SPU).

In the 1998, Lutsenko unsuccessfully ran for the Verkhovna Rada (the Ukrainian parliament) as number 58 on the list of the SPU and Peasant Party of Ukraine Bloc and in Ukraine's 152th electoral district from the same block.

Lutsenko became a people's deputy in the Verkhovna Rada (the Ukrainian parliament) following the 2002 Ukrainian parliamentary election (as third on the election list of SPU). Lutsenko belonged to the pro-European faction akin to social democratic parties in the rest of Europe, rather than a post-Soviet oldfashioned socialism.

Lutsenko became Minister of Internal Affairs in the first Tymoshenko Government of Yulia Tymoshenko appointed on 4 February 2005.

As a minister, Lutsenko refused to run in the 2006 Ukrainian parliamentary election on his party list. However, he has run for both the Kyiv City Council and the Rivne Oblast Council simultaneously in the lists of the Socialist Party – "to make the point", as he explained. Having won these seats, Lutsenko resigned from both in favor of his Minister's position as the Constitution of Ukraine prohibits occupying positions in the legislative and executive branches of the government at the same time.

Lutsenko suspended his membership of the SPU in the summer of 2006 as a result of the party leader Oleksandr Moroz's entering into a coalition with the Communist Party of Ukraine and the Party of Regions of former Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych. When the coalition of the Party of Regions, Communists, and defected Socialists began to take shape, Lutsenko stated flatly that he would refuse to continue serving as the minister in a future government formed by these parties. However, after President Viktor Yushchenko agreed to allow the forming of the cabinet in exchange for several political concessions including the ability to pick the Minister of Interior, Lutsenko stated that the president asked him personally to remain as the minister, and he would do so.

Lutsenko was formally dismissed by the Verkhovna Rada on 1 December 2006. The same month, Lutsenko created the Civil Movement "People's Self-Defense".

In the September 2007 Ukrainian parliamentary election Lutsenko was reelected to the Verkhovna Rada as the number 1 on the list of the Our Ukraine–People's Self-Defense Bloc as a non-party member.

On 18 December 2007, Lutsenko again became minister of Internal Affairs, when Yulia Tymoshenko was again elected Prime Minister of Ukraine.

Incident at Frankfurt Airport
In early May 2009, Lutsenko became entangled in a scandal concerning his behaviour during a visit to Germany. According to the German newspaper Bild, Oleksandr Lutsenko, his son, was detained at Frankfurt Airport by the German police in a state of acute alcohol intoxication. The Ukrainian Interior Ministry dismissed these allegations. On 12 May 2009, Yuriy Lutsenko sent in his resignation from the post of interior minister. In his letter of resignation, the minister described the incident that happened in Frankfurt, and stressed that the German police had officially apologized to the Ukrainian delegation for this incident; but that despite this, German mass media disseminated false publications, which were later re-published by Ukrainian media. Lutsenko was confident that a dirty campaign had been waged against him in Ukraine. The aim of the campaign, according to him, was to destabilize the work of the Interior Ministry. On 15 May 2009, the Verkhovna Rada passed a resolution, stipulating to address the government with a request to suspend Yuriy Lutsenko from the post of the Interior Minister of Ukraine until the "drunken incident" is investigated.

Later, on 12 May 2009, Lutsenko claimed that he would sue Bild. According to Lutsenko, the publication does not contain "any true things, any references to documents or real officials".

President Viktor Yushchenko considered his appeal for resignation "a logical step, which should be made ..." Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko believed that the information about the incident was doubtful.

On 15 May 2009, the Verkhovna Rada passed a resolution asking the government to hold a seven-day official investigation into the events at Frankfurt Airport (first deputy [interior] minister Mykhailo Kliuyev served as acting Minister that period). After that Lutsenko resumed at his post.

On 10 June 2011, Bild retracted the report about the events at Frankfurt Airport after being ordered so by the Landgericht Berlin.

Dismissal as minister
Lutsenko was dismissed by the Verkhovna Rada on 28 January 2010. The same day he was appointed by the Cabinet as first deputy interior minister and acting interior minister. The Kyiv District Administrative Court suspended the government's decision until the end of an investigation into his appointment, but the Cabinet claimed it had not received any court ruling on the matter. After the fall of the second Tymoshenko Government, Lutsenko eventually lost his post as Minister of Internal Affairs on 11 March 2010.

In 2010, Lutsenko became the leader of the party People's Self-Defense Political Party.

Criminal cases and imprisonment
On 13 December 2010, Lutsenko was charged with abuse of office and forgery by Prosecutor General of Ukraine Viktor Pshonka. On 5 November, it was already announced that Lutsenko faced criminal charges for an alleged financial crime involving a less than $5,000 overpayment to his driver. According to Lutsenko the criminal case against him is political persecution. Pshonka has denied this. Lutsenko was also charged with having signed an order whilst on holiday and not having cancelled the traditional "National Militia Day" despite a general instruction from the then Prime Minister to make budgetary savings where possible. Lutsenko has been jailed since 26 December 2010 in Kyiv's Lukyanivka Prison. Lutsenko was arrested near his home on 26 December; on 27 December a court ordered his arrest on the grounds that he had been dodging questioning in violation of his written pledge not to leave Kyiv. Three criminal cases opened against him where merged into one on 27 January 2011. Lutsenko went on a hunger strike from 22 April till 24 May 2011 in protest against his "preventive punishment".

Lutsenko filed a complaint in a U.S. court on 14 December 2011 against his (Ukrainian) prosecutors, made possible by the Alien Tort Statute, for "illegal arrest and arbitrarily prolonged detention".

On 27 February 2012, after a pre-trial detention of 14 months, Lutsenko was sentenced to fours year in jail (with confiscation of his property) for embezzlement and abuse of office. Lutsenko immediately after his sentence stated he will appeal against sentence. The European Commission stated the day of his sentence "signals the continuation of trials in Ukraine which do not respect international standards as regards fair, transparent and independent legal process"; Spokesperson for the United States Department of State Victoria Nuland stated the cases raised "serious concerns about the government of Ukraine's commitment to democracy and the rule of law"; other Council of Europe member have criticised the sentence in similar wording. In a statement issued by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) right after the verdict of 27 February 2012 Lutsenko was named "the victim of a political vendetta"; the next day the President of PACE Jean-Claude Mignon called for his release. Human rights organizations have urged the high courts in Ukraine to overturn the verdict against Lutsenko. On 29 February 2012, the European People's Party demanded "immediate release of Yulia Tymoshenko, Yuriy Lutsenko and other political prisoners; it also insisted the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union should not be signed and ratified until these demands were met. An appeal to the sentence was filed 7 March 2012. Since the EU has shelved the European Union Association Agreement and Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement with Ukraine because of the imprisonment of him and Tymoshenko.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) considered a complaint lodged by Lutsenko on 17 April 2012, in which Lutsenko claimed his arrest and the decision on his detention were arbitrary and unlawful. On 3 July 2012, the ECHR stated that the arrest of Lutsenko violated his human rights and the court ordered the government of Ukraine to pay €15,000 to Lutsenko as compensation for moral damages.

On 17 August 2012, Lutsenko was sentenced to two years in prison for the extension of an investigative case concerning Valentyn Davydenko, the driver of former Security Service of Ukraine First Deputy Chief Volodymyr Satsiuk, as part of an investigation into the poisoning of then presidential candidate Viktor Yuschenko. The European Union, the United States Department of State, Canada and several human rights organizations protested the sentence and called into question the independence of the legal process that had led to it. He served his time in a prison in the city of Mena. During his imprisonment Lutsenko was moved several times to hospital to receive medical treatment.

Lutsenko lost his appeal on 3 April 2013; this High Court ruling could be challenged in any other Ukrainian court.

The judges of the Higher Specialized Court on Civil and Criminal Cases will on 10 April 2013 announce a ruling on the appeal against the second conviction of Lutsenko regarding the poisoning of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko; this will not influence the term of Lutsenko's imprisonment.

Pardoning
After already having suggested it earlier, President Viktor Yanukovych on 5 April 2013 proposed the presidential commission on pardons urgently to consider the request by Verkhovna Rada Human Rights Commissioner Valeriya Lutkovska to pardon Lutsenko. The requests to pardon Lutsenko was made by Ukrainian parliamentary Lutkovska, former President of the European Parliament Pat Cox and former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski. Lutkovska asked to pardon Lutsenko "due to the European standards of human rights, which include providing effective medical care to persons detained in prisons". On 7 April 2013, a decree by Yanukovych pardoned Lutsenko (among others) for health reasons and "to decriminalize and humanize Ukrainian legislation" and the same day he was released from prison. The decree also exempted from further punishment Lutsenko's fellow Minister in the second Tymoshenko Government Heorhiy Filipchuk. Lutsenko stated the day after his release he will "continue to remain in politics".

Lutsenko and his family had repeatedly stated that they would not seek a pardon, because they believe the charges where groundless and political punishment. Nevertheless, Lutsenko's wife Iryna Lutsenko welcomed the request.

On 8 April 2013, the European Union welcomed the pardons of Lutsenko and Filipchuk, and urged Ukraine to continue addressing "the cases of selective justice".

Political career after April 2013 pardoning
In the spring of 2013, Lutsenko established the non-parliamentary movement "Third Republic". At the time he was not member of a political party because he is "on a path to the same goal pursued by "Fatherland" from the bottom up and from the people, by organizing a connection between opposition parties and the populace".

In November 2013, Lutsenko became one of the organizers of Euromaidan.

Lutsenko was hospitalised on 11 January 2014 in an intensive care ward after being beaten by police in protests following the sentence of verdicts in the 2011 Vasylkiv terror plot. Lutsenko had arrived at the courthouse after initial clashes between police and protesters and after 400 riot police had arrived. After the convicts had been transported away, several cars followed the riot police bus and blocked it at Peremohy avenue, near Svyatoshino police station. A crowd soon gathered, demanding from policemen to open their faces and to show their IDs. According to Lutsenko's wife Iryna her husband had been attacked by police as he tried to break up the violence. Lutsenko has received an official status of victim of a crime.

On 17 June 2014, Lutsenko was appointed as (non-staff) adviser to President Petro Poroshenko; he had also been adviser to Poroshenko's predecessor acting President Oleksandr Turchynov.

Lutsenko's old party People's Self-Defense Political Party was renamed Third Ukrainian Republic in July 2014; however, Lutsenko was not a member of this revamped People's Self-Defense Political Party.

On 27 August 2014, Lutsenko was elected the leader of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc.

In the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Lutsenko was re-elected into the Verkhovna Rada after being in the top 10 of the electoral list of Petro Poroshenko Bloc. He then became leader of the party's faction in the Verkhovna Rada.

On 28 August 2015, the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform merged into Petro Poroshenko Bloc. UDAR leader Vitali Klitschko at the same party congress replaced Lutsenko as new party leader.

Prosecutor General of Ukraine
On 12 May 2016, the Verkhovna Rada appointed Lutsenko as Prosecutor General of Ukraine. This followed amendments to legislation which allowed a person to hold the office without a law degree. Lutsenko, who has no law degree, was also stripped of his mandate as a People's Deputy. The appointment was the culmination of nine years of Lutsenko expressing his desire to be appointed to the position, beginning during the 2007 Ukrainian political crisis.

From August until December 2016, Lutsenko conducted an investigation into Ukraine-born Russian GRU agent Konstantin Kilimnik, but did not arrest Kilimnik. Previously, Kilimnik managed Davis Manafort International in Kyiv. Kilimnik had left Ukraine for Russia in June 2016. Davis Manafort International in Kyiv had been accused of money laundering by Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation. Mueller considered Kilimnik a vital witness in the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. The National Anti-Corruption Bureau informed the United States Department of State that Lutsenko had both thwarted Ukraine's investigation into Kilimink and allowed Kilimnik to leave Ukraine for Russia.

Began in 2017, four investigations into Paul Manafort by the Head of the Special Investigation Department of the Prosecutor General's Office Ukraine Serhiy Horbatyuk were frozen by Lutsenko in April 2018. In January 2018 Horbatyuk sent a letter to Mueller offering to cooperate with leads and evidence, however, Horbatyuk received no return letter from Mueller's special prosecuting team. One investigation using subpoenaed records from banks in Ukraine involved Ukrainian shell company payments to Manafort. Revealed in 2016 by Serhiy Leshchenko, who gave the records to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau,  the secret bookkeeping of Viktor Yanukovych and the Party of Regions' Black Ledger or Barn Book involved another investigation into Manafort in which the handwritten records of 22 payments to Manafort, nine of which had been signed by Vitaly Kalyuzhny who was the Verkhovna Rada's foreign relations committee chairman. Two other investigations of Manafort involve the Skadden Arps law firm's report to imprison Yulia Tymoshenko. The National Anti-Corruption Bureau informed the United States Department of State that Lutsenko had thwarted both Ukraine's investigation into Manafort and Mueller's investigations into Manafort.

After Ukrainian politician and activist Kateryna Handziuk died from complications from an acid attack on 4 November 2018, human rights organisations and NGOs demanded the resignation of Lutsenko and Interior Minister Arsen Avakov. "To prove that no one clings to power", Lutsenko announced his intention to resign as Prosecutor General on 6 November 2018. He stated he considered the investigation of the case effective and that he was outraged by what he considered "'PR on blood' around the Handziuk case". On 9 November 2018, President Petro Poroshenko refused to approve Lutsenko's resignation.

Documents, provided by Lev Parnas to the U.S. House Intelligence Committee, outlined text exchanges in which Lutsenko pushed for the ouster of then U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and offered information related to former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden in return. It is thought that Lutsenko targeted Yovanovitch due to her anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Following the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Lutsenko was dismissed by the Verkhovna Rada on 29 August 2019, and replaced by Ruslan Riaboshapka.

Implication in Trump-Ukraine Scandal
In 2019, Lutsenko was a central figure in the Trump–Ukraine scandal after he met multiple times with Rudy Giuliani, who at the time was US President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, to try (without success) to find incriminating information on Joe Biden, who was planning to challenge Trump in the next US presidential election. A few months later, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was elected president of Ukraine and dismissed Lutsenko from his position as Ukraine's chief prosecutor. Trump pressured Zelenskyy to reinstate Lutsenko and threatened to withhold $400 million in previously approved military and security aid to Ukraine if he did not (in addition to a demand that Zelenskyy announce an investigation into the business activities of Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden).

Military service during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
In April 2022, 2 months after the beginning of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Lutsenko joined the Territorial Defence Battalion (of the Ukrainian Armed Forces) of Mykolaiv.

According to his wife Iryna, Lutsenko was initially in the Territorial Defence Forces of Kyiv during the Kyiv offensive, and then took part in the Battle of Mykolaiv, 2022 Kherson counteroffensive, Battle of Soledar and the Battle of Bakhmut.

In early 2023, Lutsenko was promoted to the rank of Kapitan. On 20 February 2023 Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valerii Zaluzhnyi appointed Lutsenko as the commander of an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) platoon. The platoon was involved in the Battle of Bakhmut and was forced to withdraw from the city on 4 March 2023.

On 5 July 2023 Lutsenko announced that he would no longer serve in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as he was removed from conscription due to an established disability. Lutsenko did not disclose the nature of the disability, but stated he would "work towards victory as a volunteer".

Personal life
Lutsenko's wife Iryna Lutsenko was elected into parliament in the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election on the party list of "Fatherland" (number 18). She served in parliament until 2019.

In the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Iryna Lutsenko tried to get re-elected into parliament; this time by placing 70th on the electoral list of Petro Poroshenko Bloc. However, as the Petro Poroshenko Bloc gained only 63 seats by electoral list, Lutsenko was unsuccessful. After fellow Petro Poroshenko Bloc members left the Verkhovna Rada, she returned as a People's Deputy on 27 January 2015. In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election, she was re-elected for European Solidarity as 25th on the electoral list, but resigned in November 2019 for health reasons. Her mandate was officially terminated on 12 November 2019.

In 2020 Lutsenko underwent cancer treatment in Germany. He was operated on and had chemotherapy.

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Tamiel

Tamiel (or Tumiel; תומיאל, Ταμιήλ), also spelled Tâmîêl, is a fallen angel, the fifth mentioned of the 20 watcher leaders of the 200 fallen angels in the Book of Enoch. Tamiel is also called either Kasdaye (also Kasdeja, from Aramaic כַּשְׂדָּי kaśdāy—"Chaldean", "inhabitant of Chaldea", "astrologer") or Kasyade (prob. compd. of כָּסָה kasah—"to conceal" + יָד yad—"hand", "power"; lit. "covered hand", "hidden power") in the Book of Enoch, Chapter 69.

Michael Knibb lists the translation of Tamiel as "God is Perfect" or "Perfection of God" (the combination of tamiym and El-God). Tamiel was attributed as a teacher of astronomy (Enoch 8:7). He also taught "the children of men all of the wicked strikes of spirits, [the strikes of] demons, and the strikes of the embryo in the womb so that it may pass away (abortion), and [the strikes of the soul], the bites of the serpent, and the strikes which befall through the noontide heat, [which is called] the son of the serpent named Taba'et (meaning male)" during the days of Noah, not the days of Jared(Enoch 69:12).

Popular culture

 * Tamiel appears as the enemy in the Supernatural season 10 episode "Angel Heart" where he is killed with his own angel sword by Claire Novak.
 * Tamiel is the name of one of the Scavengers in The Walking Dead, first appearing in Episode 10 of Season 7.

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Phil Regan (baseball)

Philip Ramond Regan (born April 6, 1937) is an American former professional baseball pitcher, scout, and manager, who played in Major League Baseball (MLB) for the Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Dodgers, Chicago Cubs, and Chicago White Sox; he also managed the Baltimore Orioles. Regan served as the pitching coach for the New York Mets for part of the 2019 season.

During the 1966 season, when Regan was Walter Alston's favorite pitcher from the Dodger bullpen, teammate Sandy Koufax nicknamed Regan "the Vulture", due to his knack for earning wins in late-inning relief situations.

Early years
Regan earned varsity letters in basketball, football, and baseball at Wayland High School in Wayland, Michigan. After one year at Western Michigan University, he signed with the Detroit Tigers in 1956. He compiled a 61-42 record and 3.76 earned run average as a starting pitcher in the Tigers' farm system before earning a call up to the majors midway through the 1960 season.

Detroit Tigers
He made his major league debut on July 19 against the Washington Senators. Entering the game already behind 3-0, he allowed just two hits in five innings of work, including a home run to Harmon Killebrew.

He made his first career start in the second game of a doubleheader with the Baltimore Orioles on July 23. He left the game with two outs in the ninth inning with the score tied at three, and the bases loaded. Relief pitcher Clem Labine walked Jim Gentile to drive in the winning run, and hand Regan his first career loss. Splitting his time between starts and relief appearances, he was 0-4 with a 4.50 ERA his rookie season. His first career win also came against Baltimore during his second season in the big leagues, when he went 10-7 with a 5.25 ERA.

Over six seasons, Regan went 42-44 with a 4.50 ERA for the Detroit Tigers. He was 0-4 with a 4.99 ERA in 1965 when he was demoted to triple A Syracuse. He earned a call up that September, and made two appearances, but it was while he was with Syracuse that Regan learned of interest in him from the Dodgers organization.

Los Angeles Dodgers
Regan called Tigers General Manager Jim Campbell asking to be traded, and on December 15, 1965, he was traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers for infielder Dick Tracewski.

With Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Claude Osteen, and Don Sutton in the starting rotation, Regan was used strictly as a reliever in 1966. He responded by going 14-1 with a 1.62 ERA, 88 strikeouts in 116 innings pitched and a National League leading 21 saves to help the Dodgers capture the NL pennant by a game and a half over the San Francisco Giants. It was on August 1 of that year, by Regan's own account, that he first acquired the "Vulture" moniker from Koufax, the latter having just exited his second consecutive game, tied 1-1, only to see Regan "swoop in" for the last-minute win.

The Sporting News named him the NL Reliever of the Year and NL Comeback Player of the Year in 1966. He also earned the only All-Star nod in his career, but did not appear in the game. He appeared in two games of the World Series, allowing just one base runner via a walk, and retiring the other five he faced.

Regan won his first two decisions in 1967 to give him 15 consecutive wins before finally losing to the Houston Astros on May 15. He won both games of a doubleheader with the New York Mets on April 21, 1968. Two days later, he was traded with Jim Hickman to the Chicago Cubs for Jim Ellis and Ted Savage.

Chicago Cubs
Regan provided similar heroics for his new team. In his first two appearances as a Cub, he saved both games of an April 28 doubleheader with the Houston Astros. Despite missing the first 14 games of the Cubs' schedule, Regan led all of Major League Baseball with 25 saves in 1968 on his way to capturing a second Sporting News Reliever of the Year Award.

He was involved in a bizarre incident on August 18, 1968, against the Cincinnati Reds. Regan apparently had good stuff that day, too good for home plate umpire Chris Pelekoudas. Despite no illegal substances being found on the ball, Pelekoudas called 14 illegal pitches on Regan based simply on the movement of the ball. Regan met with NL President Warren Giles August 20, and was absolved of any wrongdoing. The incident earned Regan a reputation that followed him the rest of his career.

Retirement
During the twilight of his career, Regan found his workload diminishing rapidly. Through May 1972, Regan had pitched just four innings for the Cubs. He asked to be traded or released, and on June 2, Regan's contract was sold to the crosstown Chicago White Sox. He appeared in ten games for the Chisox, going 0-1 with a 4.05 ERA before his release on July 20.

Career stats
The only shutout of Regan's career came on May 10, 1963 against the Cleveland Indians. He also hit his only career home run in the 14-0 drubbing of the Tribe.

Coaching career
Immediately upon retirement, Regan went into coaching. He accepted his first coaching job at Grand Valley State University in his home state of Michigan simply because it was close to home. He was head coach from 1973 to 1982, winning the Great Lakes Conference title and the NAIA District 23 Championship twice each.

Regan’s work at Grand Valley earned him a call from Seattle Mariners general manager Dan O'Brien Sr. After spending the 1983 season as the Mariners' minor league pitching instructor and advance scout, Regan was promoted to major league pitching coach in 1984. His tenure in Seattle was interrupted by a two-game suspension in 1985 when he bumped umpire Derryl Cousins during a bench clearing brawl between the M's and California Angels on August 12.

Regan resigned from his position with the Mariners following the 1986 season. In 1987, he began a six-year stint with the Dodgers as their major league special assignment and advance scout. Regan was up for the Florida Marlins managerial job, late in 1992, but withdrew his name from consideration. A year later, he joined the Cleveland Indians as pitching coach during the strike-shortened 1994 season.

In 1995, Regan received his only major league managerial position, managing the Baltimore Orioles to a 71-73 record. Due to the 1994–95 Major League Baseball strike carrying into the 1995 season, the league played a shortened 144-game schedule that commenced on April 25. The Orioles missed the playoffs, ultimately finishing third in the American League East. After just one season at the helm, Regan was fired, and replaced by Davey Johnson.

The remainder of his professional coaching career is summarized below:
 * 1987–1989 – Managed Leones del Escogido to Dominican Championship. Won the Caribbean World Series, in 1988.
 * 1989–2009 – Managed teams in the Venezuelan Winter League, including Leones del Caracas, Navegantes del Magallanes, Cardenales de Lara, Bravos de Margarita, and Tiburones de La Guaira.
 * 1996 – Managed Los Angeles Dodgers Triple-A affiliate Albuquerque Dukes (finished with a record of 67-76).
 * 1997 – Served as Chicago Cubs pitching coach (1997–1998).
 * 1999 – Served as Cleveland Indians pitching coach.
 * 2000 – Served as Team USA pitching coach at Summer Olympics in Sydney.
 * 2002 – Served as West Michigan Whitecaps manager (2002–2003).
 * 2009–2015 – St. Lucie Mets pitching coach.
 * 2016–2019 – New York Mets minor league assistant pitching coordinator.
 * 2019 – Promoted to New York Mets interim pitching coach on June 20 after Dave Eiland was fired. Retired following the season.
 * 2019–2020 – Toros del Este pitching coach (won Dominican Championship).

On February 21, 2023, Regan sued the Mets organization for age discrimination and wrongful termination for his departure as pitching coach following the 2019. The suit also alleged a harassment and a hostile work environment.

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Mission High School (San Francisco)

Mission High School is a public high school in the San Francisco Unified School District (SFUSD) San Francisco, California.

Serving grades 9-12, Mission is the oldest high school on its original site in San Francisco; it has been on 18th Street, between Dolores and Church, since 1896. The original campus burned in 1922, and the replacement was completed in two stages, the west wing in 1925 and the main building was dedicated by San Francisco mayor James Rolph on June 12, 1927. Originally, girls and boys had separate courtyards. The boys' is overlooked by the "baby tower," about 100 ft high, and the girls' (right) topped by a 127 ft-high baroque dome. Mission Creek runs beneath the school.

The school is two blocks from Mission Dolores, from which it gets its name. The current student body is diverse, with Latino and Asian students constituting the two largest ethnic groups, although neither group makes up a majority of the student body.

The lobby leads to a theater that has 1,750 folding wooden seats on two levels and a gold-leaf ceiling. Grand as any movie palace, it was outfitted with twin 35 mm projectors. Funding failed to materialize for the elaborate pipe organ system as promised, but the chandeliers have been re-lamped.

History
Mission High School was founded in 1890, although it was housed in various Mission District locations until 1896. That year, the Board of Education purchased a parcel of land from the Jewish Cemetery Association to construct a permanent school building. The original Mission High School building was completed in 1898 as a three-story brick school designed in the Italian Renaissance Beaux-Arts style. The building withstood the 1906 earthquake, and became a neighborhood shelter, while Dolores Park, which stands across the street from the school, became a tent city for displaced residents.

Humboldt Evening High School was a night high school at Mission High School, when it was destroyed by fire.

In 1922, the original Mission High School was destroyed by fire. The present Mission High School complex was then constructed in a California Churrigueresque style between 1925 and 1927, during the height of San Francisco's "Golden Age" of school construction. John W. Reid Jr., San Francisco's City Architect, was the designer. The elaborate ornamentation on the school is likely due in part to the visual proximity to the nearby Mission Dolores Basilica, which features towers and ornamentation in the Churrigueresque architectural style.

In 1936, California artist Edith Anne Hamlin was commissioned under the Works Progress Administration's Federal Art Project to create a series of western-themed murals for the school. Noted artist Maynard Dixon consulted with Hamlin on the murals, and the pair married in 1937. Two murals showing the founding of nearby Mission Dolores still survive, while the third was lost during a 1970s seismic retrofit. The late 1930s also saw the construction of Drew Athletic Field behind the school, in an area that had been occupied by houses fronting on Dorland Street (that one block of Dorland was removed to construct the field).

Mission High School was retrofitted to meet earthquake safety standards starting in 1972. This included the removal of some of the building's architectural ornamentation, as well as the loss of the WPA Hamlin mural. Students attended Polytechnic High School until their return in 1978. The building continues to function as a public high school and remains an architectural landmark in the Dolores Park area of San Francisco.

In the 2007–08 school year, principal Kevin Truitt won SFUSD Principal of the Year and in 2014 principal Eric Guthertz won the same award.

Demographics
According to U.S. News & World Report, 91% of Mission's student body is "of color," with 77% of the student body coming from an economically disadvantaged household, determined by student eligibility for California's Reduced-price meal program.

Diversity
Mission High school is the first public school to hold an LGBTQ/Drag Show Assembly.

Programs
Mission is the Academic Scholars Advancement Program (ASAP) is a summer program that sends 150 Mission High School athletes attended 31 programs. They traveled to 22 locations in nine states, and a few ventured as far as Japan, China, and Italy. ASAP helps cover the bill to send these kids to a summer program.

Notable alumni and faculty members from Mission High School

 * Wally Berger, class of 1923 — professional baseball player, starting center fielder in the first All-Star Game
 * Dorothy Bryant — teacher, novelist, and playwright
 * Jeffrey Cariaso, class of 1990 — former professional basketball coach and player, Philippine Basketball Association.
 * Joe Cronin, class of 1923 — professional baseball player and Hall of Famer
 * Babe Dahlgren, class of 1932 — professional baseball player
 * Vincent DeDomenico, class of 1933 — inventor of Rice-A-Roni and developer of the Napa Valley Wine Train
 * Bobby Freeman — rock and roll and R&B singer from the late 1950s; "Do You Want to Dance"
 * Alan Gallagher, 1963 — former San Francisco Giants third baseman
 * Eddie Joost, class of 1934 — professional baseball player
 * Walt Judnich, class of 1934 — professional baseball player
 * Lloyd Leith — Basketball Hall of Fame coach and referee
 * Guy Mitchell — 1950s pop singer
 * Melissa Ng, 1990 — Hong Kong TV actress
 * Lothar Osiander — professional soccer coach (MLS, US National Soccer Team)
 * Charles Phan — chef, cookbook author, and restaurateur
 * James Rolph — governor of California (1931–1934) and mayor of San Francisco (1912–1931)
 * Thomas Rolph — United States representative from California, younger brother of James Rolph Jr.
 * Carlos Santana — musician and songwriter
 * Jorge Santana — musician, Malo (band)
 * Gus Triandos, 1948 — professional baseball player
 * Leland Yee — California State Senator

Faculty

 * Robert Roth — social studies teacher

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Bedok Reservoir

Bedok Reservoir (Empangan Bedok,, பெடோக் நீர்த்தேக்கம்) is a reservoir in the eastern part of Singapore, to the north of Bedok. The reservoir has a surface area of 880,000 m2, and a capacity of 12.8 million m3. The mean depth of the reservoir is 9 m, with a maximum depth of 18.2 m. The shoreline length is 4.3 km.

History
The reservoir was first announced in 1980 as part of a water supply scheme. It was converted from a sand quarry that was used by the Housing and Development Board (HDB). Construction of the reservoir began in 1983, with the construction of a deep pumping station and a perimeter road. The reservoir was completed in June 1985, and it began operations later that year.

Reservoir

Bedok Reservoir is now open to water sports activities such as wakeboarding, sailing, Forest Adventure fishing, canoeing and kayaking. This follows the Singapore Sports Council's (SSC's) efforts to allow water sport enthusiasts to make use of the various reservoirs for activities which do not compromise the quality of the water. The programme kicked off with the HSBC Wakeboard World Cup Singapore 2004, held at Bedok Reservoir on 30–31 October 2004 and this was the first international water sports event to be held at a local reservoir.

The hill on the west part of Bedok Reservoir is a popular place to fly model gliders.

Bedok Reservoir Park

The Bedok Reservoir Park was developed around the reservoir. The park is equipped with a jogging track, a children's playground, fitness stations and open fields. The park is popular for outdoor activities like inline skating, cycling, fishing and jogging. Jog A Walk Activities are held regularly at the park by schools and organisations.

Bedok Reservoir Park is also home to Forest Adventure, the largest tree top adventure park in Singapore. It comprises series of 69 obstacles at height and 4 giant zip lines over the water.

The park has six venues that can be booked for private events: the Floating Deck (area of 1,320 sq.m, capacity of up to 240 people.), Activity Lawn (area of 3600 sq m, capacity of up to 2,000 persons), Jogging Track (4.3 kilometres long), Reservoir Vista (area of 3,600 sq.m, capacity of up to 2,000 persons), Reservoir Lawn (area of 13,200 sq. m, capacity of up to 5000 persons) and Viewing Gallery (area of 432 sq.m, capacity of up to 150 persons). The park is accessible via Bedok Reservoir Road. The current tenants are Forest Adventure and WAWAWA - Bistro by The Reservoir. The park has been designated with the code 9V-0004 by the international Parks On The Air award program, and so is regularly 'activated' by Amateur Radio operators using portable equipment.

Events
The Launch of Water Sports Activity was held on 17 October 2004. It marked the first time water activities could be held in a local reservoir. The Guest of Honour, George Yeo (former Minister of Foreign Affairs and MP for Aljunied GRC) flagged off canoe racing during the event.

The HSBC Wakeboard World Cup Singapore 2004, was held at Bedok Reservoir on 30–31 October 2004. This was the first international water sports event to be held at a local reservoir.

The Wakeboard World Cup Singapore 2007 was held on 22 and 23 September 2007 during the Singapore leg of the World Cup Series. It stopped at Russia and Ireland first before ending at Qatar. It was organised by the Singapore Waterski & Wakeboard Federation.

The world premier of Hydro Sapiens by The Lunatics was held from 20 to 22 June 2008 as part of the Singapore Arts Festival. The Singapore Dragon Boat Festival was held from 28 to 29 June 2008.

The weekly Saturday parkrun takes place at Bedok Reservoir. Organized by volunteers, the 5km run welcomes all runners with all fitness levels.

Incident
In September 2014, a Temasek Polytechnic student was practicing kayaking in Bedok Reservoir when his boat capsized, making him fall into the water. Immediately after falling into the water, he felt fish biting his feet. He then swam to a nearby pontoon and had gaping cuts around his toes on his right foot after reaching the pontoon. Biologists claimed that the cuts could be caused by attacks from aggressive turtles or fish in the reservoir. However, more attacks of the same kind were reported over the next three months. As a result, sporting and recreational activities were suspended at Bedok Reservoir from 17 December 2014 to 16 January 2015. During the suspension, several types of predatory fish not indigenous to Singapore were caught, including African walking catfish, peacock bass, tarpon, armoured sucker catfish and giant snakehead. As the invasive fish species were not native to Singapore, they were likely illegally released into the reservoir. The government has issued advisories to those entering the waters, and severe fines and penalties have been imposed for those releasing fish here.

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Haveli

A haveli is a traditional townhouse, mansion, manor house, in the Indian subcontinent, usually one with historical and architectural significance, and located in a town or city. The word haveli is derived from Arabic hawali, meaning "partition" or "private space", popularised under the Mughal Empire, and was devoid of any architectural affiliations. Later, the word haveli came to be used as a generic term for various styles of regional mansions, manor houses, townhouse found in the Indian subcontinent.

Origin
The term Haveli originates from Arabic word hawali, meaning "partition" or "private space", term which was popularized under Mughal Empire. Early Havelis served Muslim rulers of the Indian Subcontinent and became an important architectural component of urban environments under the Mughals. Although Havelis originate from Indo-Islamic architecture, the existence of multistory homes and courtyards in the region is claimed as early as 3300 BCE. Courtyards are a common feature traditional houses in the Indian subcontinent with early examples dating back to the Neolithic period, whether they are mansions or farmhouses. These, however, employ very different architectural styles from traditional Havelis that were developed under Muslim rule with blend of local traditions and Islamic traditions. Traditional homes in the Indian subcontinent are built around a courtyard, and all family activities revolved around this chowk or courtyard. Additionally, the courtyard serves as a lightwell and helps ventilate the house in the hot and dry climates of the region.

During the medieval period, the term Haveli was also applied by some Vaishnava sects to refer to their temples in Gujarat under the Mughal Empire and Rajputana kingdoms. The generic term haveli eventually came to be identified with townhouses and mansions of the merchant class.

Characteristics

 * Sociocultural aspects: The chowk or courtyard served as the centre for various ceremonies and rituals. The sacred tulsi plant was placed here and worshipped daily to bring prosperity to the house.
 * Security and privacy: The chowk, at times, separated areas for men and women, and provided them with privacy.
 * Climate: Using open space in the building design to respond to the local climate, air movement caused by temperature differences assists in the natural ventilation of the building.
 * Different activities at different times: In the daytime, the court was used mostly by women to carry out their work and interact with other women in a private open space. Mansions of the merchant class often had more than one courtyard.
 * Articulation of space: In Mor chowk, part of the City Palace complex in Udaipur, there is the concept of the courtyard as a dancing hall. Similarly, in havelis, a courtyard has several functions, commonly used for weddings and festive occasions.
 * Materials: bricks, sandstone, marble, wood, plaster, and granite are commonly used materials. Decorative aspects are influenced by various local cultures and traditions.

All these elements join to form an enclosure and give the chowk a composed, secured feel. The architectural form of havelis has evolved in response to the climate, lifestyle, and availability of material. In hot climates where cooling is a necessity, buildings with internal courtyards for airflow and cooling were considered the most appropriate; in rainy places the houses were built to be kept dry from humid air. It provided shade while also allowing light inside. The arcade along the court, or the high wall around it, kept the interiors cool.

Many of the havelis of India and Pakistan were influenced by Rajasthani architecture. They usually contain a courtyard, often with a fountain in the center. The old cities of Agra, Lucknow, Jaisalmer and Delhi in India and Lahore, Multan, Peshawar, Hyderabad in Pakistan have many fine examples of Rajasthani-style havelis.

India
In the northern part of India, havelis for Lord Krishna with huge mansion-like constructions are prevalent. These havelis are noted for their frescoes depicting images of gods, goddesses, animals, scenes from the British colonization, and the life stories of Lords Rama and Krishna. The music here was known as Haveli Sangeet.

Later on, these temple architectures and frescoes were imitated while building huge individual mansions and now the word is popularly associated with the mansions themselves. Between 1830 and 1930, Marwaris erected buildings in their homeland Shekhawati and Marwar. These buildings were called havelis. The Marwaris commissioned artists to paint those buildings, which were heavily influenced by the Mughal architecture. Nangal Sirohi in Mahendragarh district, 130 km from Delhi, is popular for its havelis and architecture within NCR.

The havelis served as status symbols for the Marwaris as well as homes for their extended families, providing security and comfort in seclusion from the outside world. The havelis were designed to be closed from all sides with one large main gate.

The typical havelis in Shekhawati incorporated two courtyards — an outer one for the men which served as an extended threshold, and the inner one, the domain of the women. The largest havelis could have up to three or four courtyards and were two to three stories high. Most of the havelis are empty nowadays or are maintained by a watchman, while others have been converted into hotels and tourist attractions.

The towns and villages of Shekhawati are famous for the embellished frescoes on the walls of their grandiose havelis, to the point of becoming popular tourist attractions.

The havelis in and around Jaisalmer Fort (also known as the Golden Fort), situated in Jaisalmer, Rajasthan, of which the three most impressive are Patwon Ki Haveli, Salim Singh Ki Haveli, and Nathmal-Ki Haveli, deserve special mention. These were the elaborate homes of Jaisalmer's rich merchants. The ostentatious carvings, etched in sandstone with great detail and then painstakingly pieced together in lavish patterns, were commissioned to put on show the owner's status and wealth. Around Jaisalmer, they are typically carved from yellow sandstone. They are often characterized by wall paintings, frescoes, jharokhas (balconies) and archways.

The Patwon Ji ki Haveli was the first erected in Jaisalmer. It is not a single haveli but a cluster of five small havelis. The first in the row is the most popular, and is also known as Kothari's Patwa Haveli. Commissioned and constructed in the year 1805 by Guman Chand Patwa, then a rich trader of jewellery and fine brocades, it is the biggest and the most ostentatious of the five. Patwa was a rich man and a renowned trader of his time and he could afford and thus order the construction of separate stories for each of his five sons. These were completed in a span of 50 years. All five houses were constructed in the first 60 years of the 19th century. Patwon Ji Ki is renowned for its ornate wall paintings, intricate yellow sandstone-carved jharokhas (balconies), gateways and archways. Although the building itself is made from yellow sandstone, the main gateway is brown. Another notable haveli is Seth ji ri Haveli in Udaipur city; now known as Shree Jagdish Mahal, it is 250 years old.

Pakistan
A number of historically and architecturally significant havelis survive in Pakistan, most of which are situated in the Punjab province. The most significant in Lahore, the Haveli of Nau Nihal Singh, dates from the Sikh era of the mid-19th century, and is considered to be one of the finest examples of Sikh architecture in Lahore. It is the only Sikh-era haveli that preserves its original ornamentation and architecture.

Some other historically and architecturally significant havelis in Pakistan:
 * Kapoor Haveli in Peshawar
 * Choona Mandi Haveli in Lahore
 * Fakir Khana Haveli and Museum in Lahore
 * Haveli Asif Jah in Lahore
 * Haveli Awais Meer in Walled city Lahore
 * Haveli Barood Khana in Lahore
 * Haveli Rani Jindan at the Lahore Fort in Lahore
 * Haveli Wajid Ali Shah in Lahore
 * Kharak Singh Haveli at the Lahore Fort in Lahore
 * Lal Haveli or Chandu Di Haveli in Lahore
 * Mubarak Haveli in Lahore
 * Haveli Man Singh in Jhelum
 * Lal Haveli in Rawalpindi
 * Saad Manzil in Kamalia
 * Khan Club in Peshawar
 * Janjua Haveli in Malowal, Gujrat, Pakistan
 * Haveli Mubashar Ali Janjua in Matore, Kahuta, Rawalpindi
 * Havelis of the Mann Sardars of Mughalchak in Mananwala, Sheikhupura

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