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Talk:Chicken Kiev

Origin?
I'm finding sources which claim French, Ukrainian, and Russian origins of the dish. My best source so far (added) simply says it's disputed. Ifnord (talk) 19:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

 * There is currently no reliable secondary source on the history of this dish. This article contains the most extensive collection of primary sources. The source which you added (from The Telegraph) is yet another collection of unfounded rumours found across the Web. In fact, it is partially based on this article. From the primary sources (historical cookbooks etc.) we can conclude that the dish originated in the beginning of the 20th century in Russian Empire which included both Russia and Ukraine at that time. So I revert the information in the infobox back to "Russian Empire" which is more informative than just "disputed". --Off-shell (talk) 21:26, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a French dish. Neither Russia nor Ukraine had anything to do with the dish as first served. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.163.113 (talk) 15:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Colonial Fowl Club
https://twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status/1184491369139785733 Chicken Kiev joins Peking Duck in the extremely small and very exclusive Colonial Fowl Club. (Slava Malamud, Oct 16, 2019)--73.75.115.5 (talk) 09:47, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Chicken Kyiv????
As was mentioned on the Kyiv talk page, Chicken Kiev and some historical (mostly Russian) articles would need to be discussed before moving them to Kyiv. I think it very unlikely that the common name has changed from Chicken Kiev. Way too many cookbooks and recipes. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:27, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Obviously we would need evidence that the chicken is now better known by the name Kyiv before changing the title. I should note despite the cities of Beijing and Livorno being titled as they are we did not not change the titles of Peking duck or Leghorn chicken.--76.67.170.18 (talk) 22:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * (re my edits, which I did before I noticed this discussion here): I notice someone has added a number of citations to the Wiktionary article on Chicken Kiev for "Kyiv". They seem to have been added by someone who wants to use the term "Chicken Kyiv" for some reason, as that form is disproportionately included in the citations, contrary to popular usage. (It also makes reference to the "Chicken Kyiv" speech by George H.W. Bush, which is likely spelt like Kyiv because of a play on words and not suggesting the foodstuff should be called "Chicken Kyiv"; incidentally, the speech's Wikipedia page is Chicken Kiev speech, not 'Kyiv'). It does seem that a number of people are using the term, but "Chicken Kiev" is by far the most commonplace term, and corresponds to how English usually refers to foodstuffs. There are also some archaic forms like "Chicken Kieff" listed in the Wiktionary reference page; if we add 'Kyiv', then what stops us adding those? This all seems very bizarre. --Bangalamania (talk) 22:36, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Chicken Kyiv (not kiev)
As there is no such word as 'Kiev' to refer to the Ukrainian capital city, calling Ukrainian dish as 'chicken kiev' is egregious mistake. I urge editors and moderators be more reasonable and not to sabotage other people's edits that correct this obvious omission. It's 2021 now, i beg y'all, wake up.
 * Please see WP:COMMONNAME. If menus and recipe books in the English-speaking world pick up on this and start spelling the dish's name that way, then fine. I understand the government's desire to de-Russify the city's name, but the notion that the name of the food must change has been strongly rejected on Wikipedia as disruptive. It's food, it's not a city. See the discussion immediately above, there are plenty of anachronistic food names, especially where Italy, for instance, is concerned - most major cities in Italy have English names that are different from Italian usage.   Acroterion   (talk)   15:16, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * And never try to slip an edit past using a deceptive edit summary like "Missing file fixed".  Acroterion   (talk)   15:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That is not slipping, after previous changes one filename was corrupted. --Dmytro Herhel (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You did a lot more than change one filename.  Acroterion   (talk)   18:40, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, because you reverted changes while my filename editing. Arguing makes no sence :). --Dmytro Herhel (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For future reference, Google Ngram shows that "Chicken Kiev" is used to refer to the dish, while "Chicken Kyiv" is hardly ever used. Mellk (talk) 20:56, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 * The common name of the dish continues to be Chicken Kiev, just as we continue to use Madras Curry Powder (rather than Chennai Curry Powder). Woke revisionism has not reached the culinary world yet. WWGB (talk) 06:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I beg to differ. Kiev is the English word for the city and the food. Just because one supermarket changes to use the Ukrainian name, does that make it "sometimes known as..."? This page is supposed to be in English and should stick with English spellings. Check the OED if you doubt it. "Kiev [ˈkiːɛv, ˈkiːɛf]  DEFINITION the capital of Ukraine, an industrial city and port on the River Dnieper; population 2,765,500 (est. 2009). Founded in the 8th century, it became capital of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1934. In 1991 it became capital of independent Ukraine. Ukrainian name Kyiv."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by IADavidson (talk • contribs) 07:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the most important piece. The Russians don't use the English Alphabet, they never spelled it "Kiev". They spelled it Київ. Stop with this anti-western revisionist history garbage. 98.219.224.139 (talk) 06:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not entirely true. Sure, OED only lists "Kiev", but Webster lists both versions as equally valid, U.S. Board on Geographic Names, and a lot of media outlets have switched to "Kyiv" (NY Times, WSJ, Wasthington Post, The Telegraph, and the BBC). So Kyiv is already widely used and its usage seems to be growing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielCarrera (talk • contribs) 07:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the name of a food or drink item does not tend to be as changeable as the name of the place it is named after (in the English language anyway). Other examples include Ceylon tea (despite the country changing its name to Sri Lanka in 1972) and Bombay mix (despite the city being renamed Mumbai in 1995). As for chicken Kiev, the dish is still commonly known as such in both the United States and the United Kingdom despite Kyiv being the preferred name for the city nowadays. I would also like to remind readers that this is the English language version of Wikipedia and according to WP:COMMONNAME Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). Therefore, the common name for the dish is chicken Kiev. It has been said that the name chicken Kiev could be seen as offensive but it is worth remembering that Wikipedia is not censored (see WP:NOTCENSORED) e.g. articles about swear words use the actual words in their titles although some readers might find them offensive. An example of another food item with a potentially offensive name is the British confection midget gems despite the use of the word midget as an ableist slur against those with dwarfism. Although at least three brands have renamed their product "Mini Gems", the confection remains more commonly known as "midget gems" in its native dialect. Tk420 (talk) 22:43, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2022
Change All references of Kiev to Kyiv. Kiev is Russian terminology not Ukrainian where the name originated.

Make the changes out of respect for the Ukraine and it's culture. This dish did not originate in the Russian empire. It Originated in the Ukrainian city of Kyiv. 212.129.83.139 (talk) 21:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Russians don't spell the city name using English letters. You're full of it. The Russian name is Київ. 98.219.224.139 (talk) 06:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Russian doesn't have letter "ї", what are you even talking about? Russians use word "Киев" (Kiev) when referring to the capital of Ukraine. Ukrainians, on the other hand, use word "Київ" (Kyiv) 159.148.8.38 (talk) 11:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

As per WP:BOLD I've changed all non-quotation spelling to Kyiv. Leaving the spelling as Kiev supports Russian imperialism and colonialism. Reverting the change supports Russian imperialism and colonialism. sendai (talk) 06:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please follow Wikipedia policy instead of WP:RGW. Mellk (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Chicken Kyiv please
Kyiv is a Ukrainian city. Why do you insist on using the Russian spelling? Why did you lock the page from edits?

Let us correct the monstrous error now! It is Chicken Kyiv! Walfin (talk) 14:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌ Per sources and consensus the dish is called Chicken Kiev. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Russian spelling is Київ. Kiev is the English spelling and has been for centuries. 98.219.224.139 (talk) 06:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The Russian spelling is Ки́ев, there is no ї in the Russian Cyrillic alphabet. 23.123.132.37 (talk) 13:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2022
please change Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyev Glasgowdick (talk) 06:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See above and WP:COMMONNAME Cannolis (talk) 06:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

AKA Chicken Kyiv
It would seem sensible to me to have the alternative spelling of Kyiv on the alternate names section. Especially as some of the big supermarkets have decided to change the spelling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60621332 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.9.163 (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Many supermarkets are changing the packaging to Kyiv. I think atleast the article should atleast be updated again to show that under cultural references section. Mrmooshoo (talk) 22:18, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Does it make sense, or is this Freedom Fries virtue signaling all over again? The Russians don't use the English Alphabet to spell their city names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.224.139 (talk) 06:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Virtue signalling is exactly what it is. Bombay Duck hasn't transformed itself into Mumbai Duck; in general, recipes named after countries and cities don't change their name when the place changes name. I think it's pretty WP:POV to suddenly alter the spelling of "Keev" (how the UK TV presenters are suddenly pronouncing it!) from the Russian version to the Ukrainian version, 2 weeks into a ground-war between Russia and Ukraine.
 * This is not the right time.

 * (And of course, as others have mentioned, both spellings of the name of the city are transliterations into Latin script from some Cyrillic alphabet or other)
 * MrDemeanour (talk) 22:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2022
It seems that the consensus is to use "Kiev" when referring to the dish and "Kyiv" when referring to the city. In that case, the photo caption beginning "Continental hotel in Kiev [...]" is inconsistent with this style and ought to be "Kyiv". (I'm not sure about "Kiev-style"/"Kyiv-style".) Also, this is bound to confuse, so it would be good to include something at the beginning of the article, along the lines of "Chicken Kievs are named after the city of Kyiv, which is also romanised as Kiev." EggFaultCoreDumped (talk) 01:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, WP:KYIV says: "For unambiguously historical topics (e.g. Kiev Offensive), do not change existing content". Photo of Continental hotel was made between 1890 and 1905, not after 1991. Arado Ar 196 (talk) 06:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That doesn't really make sense, considering that the very same hotel is described inline as "the Continental hotel in Kyiv" and "A luxury hotel built in 1897 in the center of Kyiv". Just being old doesn't make it "unambiguously historical"; were the hotel named "The Continental Hotel of Kiev" then it would make sense to honour that name, but in this case we are describing the hotel in our own, modern words. Moreover, I don't think there was anything ambiguous about my request. EggFaultCoreDumped (talk) 19:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

(Arado) said: "it's not clear what changes you want to be made." One request in the above is reasonable and clear: allow an edit to the opening statement to mention that the name "Chicken Kiev" is based on the Russified version of the name of the Ukrainian capital city, Kyiv. That sets context for the use of "Kiev" in the rest of the article as the *name* of the dish, rather than than a place of origin whose spelling is disputed. (And the restaurant's location should reasonably made with the same spelling everywhere on En Wikipedia, whether or not it matches the name of the dish.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mental Nomad (talk • contribs) 17:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Chicken Kyiv: Wikipedia should respect an official national policy
This article by a lecturer in Applied Linguistics considers the Kiev/Kyiv question in a useful and illuminating manner, making plain that "Kyiv became the official English language name for the capital in 1995 and the Ukrainian government has been running a KyivNotKiev campaign which has its own Wikipedia article since 2018." The article by the lecturer should be helpful to Wikipedia contributors deciding how to put the WP:COMMONNAME in perspective.

A Guardian newspaper story explains how a national supermarket chain has decided to respect the Ukrainian choice of the spelling of their capital city ("UK’s second biggest supermarket switches Soviet-era spelling of capital city to preferred Ukrainian version") by selling chicken kyiv instead of chicken kiev.

The WP:TITLE policy used for naming Wikipedia articles is described as a "standard that all editors should normally follow. Changes made to it should reflect consensus" (my emphases highlight the fact that the policy contains the possibility of adopting a different approach if consensus decides so).

The decision by Ukrainians about the official name of their capital city ought to be an instance where the encyclopaedia should subordinate its own conventions to respect an overriding official national policy. O'Dea (talk) 22:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

 * The sources in the first paragraph refer to the spelling of the city name, not the chicken dish. Wikipedia follows change, it does not initiate it. When a majority of the world's restaurants, shops and reliable sources start to offer "Chicken Kyiv" then we will change the article title. The change by one supermarket chain is but a start. WWGB (talk) 01:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia follows change, it does not initiate it.

 * All right, but the people with the authority to decide their own nomenclature, the Ukrainians, have expressed their desire for a corrected spelling, the importance of which is explained in careful detail in the first link I provided in my statement above. I request you to read it for its critical context, please.
 * As a corollary, Wikipedia should not allocate unto itself a competing authority to override the wishes of the Ukrainians. If the city is now called Kyiv, the chicken dish named after it should follow suit, because to do otherwise is to honour the insolent Russian spelling (the imperially abusive Russian spelling is explained carefully in this first article link, reproduced here for convenience) which the Ukrainians have vehemently rejected.
 * Does Wikipedia not respect that choice? To be pedantic and say that one is the name of a city and the other is the name of a dish, the spelling of which must be retained for God knows what "important" reason, is petty quibbling at the best of times and looks especially nasty and reactionary in the present horrific circumstances.
 * History has taught us that inappropriately clinging to rules can be a terrible choice, and in this case puts the encyclopaedia on the wrong side of history for merely petty, merely bureaucratic, officious reasons. Please see the bigger picture. O'Dea (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Does Wikipedia not respect that choice? To be pedantic and say that one is the name of a city and the other is the name of a dish, the spelling of which must be retained for God knows what "important" reason, is petty quibbling at the best of times and looks especially nasty and reactionary in the present horrific circumstances.
 * History has taught us that inappropriately clinging to rules can be a terrible choice, and in this case puts the encyclopaedia on the wrong side of history for merely petty, merely bureaucratic, officious reasons. Please see the bigger picture. O'Dea (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * History has taught us that inappropriately clinging to rules can be a terrible choice, and in this case puts the encyclopaedia on the wrong side of history for merely petty, merely bureaucratic, officious reasons. Please see the bigger picture. O'Dea (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

 * "in this case puts the encyclopaedia on the wrong side of history". Good god, man. Cool it with the melodrama. It's over transliteration of a foreign alphabet. More importantly, it's over a chicken dish. --2A02:C7E:44D4:4100:889F:A287:8BC8:7DEE (talk) 14:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

 * No, Wikipedia is for all peoples and not obliged to do what one government says. Equinox ◑ 05:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

No. The names of dishes and other food and drink are cultural objects in their own standing with a history and not normally subject to these changes. We still say Pekin duck, Chicken Madras and Bombay potatoes, not Beijing duck, Chicken Chennai and Mumbai potatoes. People/supermarkets etc calling it Chicken Kyiv are making a political statement about the current war and while I personally largely agree with the sentiment if not the action, Wikipedia articles should remain politically neutral and timeless. Agneau (talk) 11:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

 * I saw someone complain about the spelling of this dish on social media recently and came here to see if anyone here was similarly confused. I echo the points made by and  above. While I favored the move of the city itself to Kyiv some time ago, there is no evidence the spelling of the dish is changing by anyone other than a few well-meaning but confused souls. If anyone starts an RM, that would be unfortunate, but please notify me.   —В²C ☎ 08:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The argument has been going on for years, and although the consensus of the city name is swinging towards "Kyiv" (indeed it is Wikipedia policy to use that), "Kiev" still seems the common usage for this dish (as in the example of Chicken Madras and Peking Duck as being members of the "colonial fowl club" as referred to above). Quite apart from the historical basis for the use of the name "Kiev" in English, it should be noted that the English language does not always use the local name when it comes to cities, e.g. Moscow, Warsaw, Rome, Munich, Athens, Lisbon, Dublin and even Odessa. Shritwod (talk) 13:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2022
Change “Kyiv” to “Kiev”.

The name of the dish, which originated in Russia, is Chicken Kiev. At the very least, the article should identify both spellings. 14.200.54.50 (talk) 01:51, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The article consistently refers to the dish as chicken Kiev, with both spellings mentioned in the introduction (and one source being about the change in spelling). The city consistently uses the native spelling of Kyiv and is linked on the first usage as the city. —C.Fred (talk) 01:56, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Peking duck
The article draws an analogy between 'chicken Kiev' and 'Peking duck'. This is unfair. First, the duck dish is almost universally called 'Peking duck' in English, whereas 'chicken Kyiv' is increasingly standard. Secondly, 'Peking' is not 'disfavoured' the way 'Kiev' is. It is simply old. It would be more neutral to simply say that 'Peking duck' uses an old form of the city's name. --49.255.185.235 (talk) 01:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure where this is coming from. I pretty much only see Chicken Kiev, and Peking is probably more disfavored than Kiev (not withstanding the last few weeks). Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:30, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I didn't say it was less, or more, disfavoured, but that Peking is not 'disfavoured' in the same way. "Chicken Kiev" is being actively "disfavoured" due to perceived political insensibility, given its Russian connotations and the current war: e.g. here, or here. "Peking" is not "disfavoured" in that sense - "Peking" is the old spelling, but "Peking duck" is alive and well and not being politically opposed. There is no active movement to rebrand "Peking duck" to "Beijing duck". My point is the analogy is not apt, at least in the terms as currently phrased. --49.255.185.235 (talk) 06:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as recent, recent to Wikipedia is like the last couple years. We don't look at what happens over 3 weeks. That's for newspapers. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Polish Version
It is also very popular in Poland where it is also known as kotlet de volaille or devolaj. The sentence "Stuffed chicken breast is generally known in Ukrainian and Russian cuisines as côtelette de volaille" should have Poland added to the list as well as its omission gives the false impression that the dish is only significant in Ukraine and Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.195.168 (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2022
Remove reference to Kyiv in the first sentence leaving just Kiev.

This request has been raised because just one British supermarket has changed it's packaging (see footnote#2 article) probably just for commercial gain, and by no means a justification to amend decades of history. 188.31.208.3 (talk) 10:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: This is actually a controversial edit, so you'll need to discuss first with other editors. Please open a new section here and start a discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2022
Please change Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv! Kyiv is capital of UKRAINE and the English version of UKRAINIAN name is KYIV! 94.254.176.6 (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌ Per Wikipedia consensus and sources it is Chicken Kiev and only sometimes Chicken Kyiv. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2022
Change “Kiev” spelling to “Kyiv”. The dish is widely cooked in Ukraine, and everywhere it's being cooked it's called “Chicken Kyiv”. “Kiev” spelling is Russian-derived and is not used anymore. Moreover, it's inappropriate and offensive to spell “Kiev”, especially while referring to the Ukrainian traditional cuisine.

These sources prove why “Kyiv” spelling is better and more accurate: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/kyiv-not-kiev-why-spelling-matters-in-ukraines-quest-for-an-independent-identity/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/how-to-pronounce-and-spell-kyiv-kiev-ukraine-and-why-it-matters https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kyiv-kiev-ukraine-name-b2023400.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev Oksana Beseda (talk) 09:41, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. As stated many times above. Current consensus is to use "Kiev" for this dish name since it's still the more commonly used name of the dish (even though Kyiv is no longer frequently spelled as Kiev). Perhaps get a new consensus, and/or show sources that show people using chicken Kyiv as this dish's spelling nowadays (not just people using Kyiv to refer to the city). 💜  melecie   talk  - 09:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

first paragraph capitalization edit request
In the lede, the clause "sometimes known as Chicken Kyiv" has both initials in the noun capitalized, when chicken Kiev is generally written with the first initial lowercased when referred to in sentence case, including in this article. IMO, the clause should read "sometimes known as chicken Kyiv". Kyoto Grand (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct. I try to correct this whenever I see this come up on my watchlist but people always re-mangle it. You should always feel free to fix this; food names that are not trademarked are not capitalised except to the extent of words that are the names of individual people or places. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  20:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That needs to be fully discussed and vetted here as to whether it's a proper name. You don't have a dish name of just Kiev... it's Chicken Kiev. There are also many sources that use chicken kiev with no capitals. If you go by strict wikipedia rules unless all the sources capitalize nothing should be capitalized. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you read everything I wrote? Words that are the names of individual people or places ARE still capitalized: chicken Kiev, oysters Rockefeller, peach Melba, Cincinnati chili, etc. But just because one word is a proper noun doesn't mean the entire title of the dish is capitalized. "Peking Duck", "Thousand Island Dressing", and "Memphis-Style Barbecue" are unequivocally incorrect; they're Peking duck, Thousand Island dressing, and Memphis-style barbecue. And there are plenty of instances in which the generic food type is the first name in the dish without any words warranting capitalization, like pasta primavera; no one calls it "primavera" any more than the name "chicken Kiev" means that the dish is somehow known only as "Kiev" (or "Kyiv"), or oysters Rockefeller are known only as "Rockefeller". It's as though there is an elided à la in the middle. Apparently people do call cacciatore and tetrazzini only by those names, but those dishes are made with many different substrates. I've never heard of, e.g., salami Kiev or carrots Rockefeller, although I suppose those sound like excellent food-blogger challenges. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  00:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But not if they are not usually capitalized in sources. Usually I see Chicken Kiev in recipes whether its Food52 or Everyday Cooking. Sure chicken is often not capitalized, but so is kiev in the dish. It keeps getting reverted by folks (my first time) because it's not what they know, it's not what they see, and it looks weird. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Get rid of Russian language for Ukrainian Articles?
We all know that Russia has invaded Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia et al multiple times and have forced the people there to abandon their language and speak Russian, and even planted Russians in positions of power as kind of a "cultural genocide" to their neighboring countries, but now that Russia is doing an actual, physical genocide on Ukraine, maybe we should not put the Russian language translation alongside Ukrainian translations, and certainly not BEFORE Ukrainian.

The same would go for Georgian, Latvian, Estonian, Belarussian, Khazak and all the other languages and people that Russia is trying to wipe from existence. I know Wikipedia has to be unbiased, but we also shouldn't side with dictators and terrorists or promote them. We can tell facts about them, as any good encyclopedia does, but we shouldn't help their cause.

Thoughts? Miketheburns (talk) 09:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

 * Perhaps you should read the voluminous discussions elshwhere on this talkpage.  Acroterion   (talk)   10:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not a Russian language translation or a cultural genocide. This is a chicken dish. The Wordsmith Talk to me 00:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, you have summed up the reasons that chicken Kyiv has recently gained usage: because of the recognition that the other spelling is derived from Russian after centuries of cultural suppression and genocide. A catchall term is decolonization. —Michael Z. 16:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * So much suppression, that Ukraine appeared on map. Decolonization refers strictly to Western mentality. The nations, which Russia supported and invested into developed narcissism and thought they would do fine without it. Huge mistake. As a proof observe the bankruptcy of Latvian RRR electronics plant or look at citation first President of Ukraine Kravchuk: in 1991 Russia left Ukraine with second largest army in Europe and economical power equal to France. Fast forward to 2013 and over 1/3 population compared to 1991 have migrated away, and there is enough public indignation to revolt against own oligarches, all of which were ruling the country with West mentality. 20 years to drive top republic into abyss, well done.89.1.150.225 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 01:41, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

For those who request name change
I took the time to say this earlier today, but someone censored it. But feel it needs to be told as I have indeed noticed the frequency of edits requesting name changes. Yet noticed all those editors seem to have the wrongful assumptions that this is a dish that belongs to Ukraine because of its name alone. Except that's wrong. Whatever the first name was, the dish likely didn't even all originate in Ukraine. It came likely from France and spread to Russia afterwards. A restaurant in Ukraine reportedly started calling it as Chicken Kiev and that name became popular not just in Russia but internationally for over a century. So the common name is Chicken Kiev not because it's owned by a country. But because the people who named it, chose that term and it's been the Common term in many recipe books globally for over a century . And it's not up to us to suddenly rewrite history and claim as if it was never called chicken Kiev for a long period. Wikipedia editors are not a monopoly where we rewrite history. We cannot suddenly tell the original author of the name that they were now wrong to call it as chicken Kiev because you now feel strong political feelings towards a chicken dish. And for crying out loud, it's a chicken dish. Not some political ideology or conflict. Just like South China Sea doesn't mean the sea belongs to China. Simply having a word of (Kyiv or Kiev) doesn't automatically mean this is officially an Ukrainian only dish that only belongs to Ukraine. Instead Ukraine used to be part of the same country as Russia and so of course they originally use the Russian spelling as Russian was their official top language at the time the dish was named. And its reported history is that Russia had some cooks go to France a long time ago and bring back a recipe that became super popular in Russia, and eventually one named it as Chicken Kiev, and that was the name that spread. Nowadays geography and politics may have changed but that doesn't necessarily mean that a long time chicken dish needs to be renamed. Peking duck is incorrect yet people use that spelling because it was the original spelling and it shouldn't need to be politically correct. And for a long time, chicken Kiev has always been called Chicken Kiev and even english speaking PC BBC today calls it as chicken Kiev. As well as Britannica encyclopaedia and the professional english Webster dictionary. and today I went to the shops and picked up a frozen box of Chicken Kiev. https://ibb.co/HDhDhvv My point being it has been like this from the beginning for over a century now, and its original and historically and still currently dominant common spelling is both independent from and should take precedence over petty politics and changing geography. 49.180.89.165 (talk) 09:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 * Seems to miss the point.
 * Anyway, here’s the BBC using chicken Kyiv four months ago (the OP’s example link is from c 2010). Retailers in Australia, Canada, and the UK have updated their spelling. So we know it’s not a century ago. Resisting change or complaining about it can also be an example of petty politics.  —Michael Z. 18:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You miss the point. You mention BBC but so far all its articles on the dish still calls it as (chicken Kiev). They don't do that for no reason. Btw I am from Australia and also OP here but (IP auto changed by itself). In major retailer Coles supermarket over here, they still call it Chicken Kiev.  but you make it sound like  everyone has now changed it in Australia, except only really a handful have and for political reasons. Note not all have gone political on this and changed. And most if not all BBC chicken Kiev dishes today still uses (chicken Kiev) spelling to this day. You just managed to find  one odd BBC article yet I can't find a single BBC recipe article that actually says (chicken Kyiv). 49.186.235.19 (talk) 01:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Ukrainian government has already in 2009 launched a campaign abroad to request the name be spelt as Kyiv. It is a very reasonable request, since Kiev is the Russified version of the name, and Kyiv is the Ukrainian language variant. Kyiv is a Ukrainian city. The name of the Chinese capital was changed from Peking to Beijing on the Chinese government's request. There is tendency to use latinised names that closer resemble the original names. Turkey has recently changes its name to Turkiye. The fact that these changes do not always reach all corners does not mean it is invalid? So, if the owner of a restaurant somewhere is not aware of these changes, does it mean those who respect the wishes of other governments do it for poitical reasons? Come on! 93.79.110.246 (talk) 17:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Pretty amusing that you bring up Beijing as part of your argument when peking duck is by and far the WP:COMMONNAME in English. Cannolis (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Peking duck, Madras curry, Bombay potato all use old colonial-era names, which are broadly accepted because that is what the dish is called in common usage. In English we sometimes use the local names, sometimes our own - for example Germany, Greece, Finland, Japan bear little resemblance to what those countries call themselves. We call the cocktail a Moscow mule even though the city is called Moskva. The French call London Londres and the Italians call it Londra but I don't think Londoners are upset about that. But then we use the French word for France and a direct transliteration of the Russian word for Russia. Nobody I know calls Turkey Türkiye because that's regarded as just silly, and we understand the difference between a country and a bird you eat for Christmas dinner. There is - I believe - a broad consensus to refer to the capital of Ukraine as Kyiv and not Kiev in the same way that we don't called the country "The Ukraine", much as we don't called Argentina "The Argentine" any more. This is not a political statement - in my opinion Vladimir Putin belongs in a very small, damp and rat-infested prison cell for the rest of his miserable life. It is merely a linguistic description as opposed to linguistic prescription. Shritwod (talk) 20:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well we renamed the article Kyiv when that spelling was not used by the majority of sources. I believe during the discussions one participant estimated it was 11 or 12 percent of usage at the time (no memory of what their metric was), although Google Ngram says it was 30% in 2019. So there is some nuance to how it is “description.” —Michael Z. 20:57, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * So, your argument is that we made an incorrect move in the past so we should make another one now? Not really impressed with that reasoning. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No, that is not my argument at all. It would be helpful if you understood the reasons Kyiv was renamed: see Special:Permalink/978661752. —Michael Z. 21:03, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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93.79.110.246 (talk) 17:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC) The name of this dish should now be written as Chicken Kyiv - which is the original Ukrainian name of the city
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Change Kiev to Kyiv 2403:6200:8870:6C04:C75:7D5F:E329:A61 (talk) 07:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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UHF (Canadian band)

UHF is a Canadian folk music supergroup, consisting of singer-songwriters Bill Henderson of Chilliwack fame, Shari Ulrich and Roy Forbes.

The group was formed in 1989 when Forbes and Ulrich were asked to perform with Henderson at the Vancouver Winter Roots Festival. The combination worked well, so that the three artists teamed up as UHF and produced an independent self-titled album. The trio reunited to release a second album in 1995.

Though the individual members are mostly occupied with solo careers and other projects, for many years they performed several concerts a year, including the Winnipeg Folk Festival in 1998.

Albums

 * 1990 – UHF
 * 1994 – UHF II

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Talk:Berliner Weisse

Not Brewed Exclusively in Berlin
In fact, one of the better examples comes from Weihenstephan in Bavaria. There are also many credible examples brewed in the U.S. these days. Although these may all technically be "Berlin-Style" instead of "Berlin," maybe it's clearer and more accurate to say "Berliner Weisse is a type of wheat beer native to the area of Berlin, Germany." 91.176.45.15 (talk) 07:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Brettanomyces
the original Berliner Weisse needs the Brettanomyces genus of yeast, cf :de. --tickle me 02:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Protected Geographical Indication?
Is it in fact true that Berliner Weisse har protected Geographical Indication in the European Union? I can't seem to find a source for this. --JT (talk) 14:18, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

-No it does not seem to be: http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/quality/door/list.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.216.8 (talk) 21:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Not impartial
Why have 5 or so craft examples listed by name when hundreds are available, seems to steer consumers to specific products. See link https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/style/87/ 2601:144:C000:77EF:8C85:919E:6D2:9F0C (talk) 11:28, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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A section for how the Beer Judge Certification Program officially defines the Berliner Weisse
The BJCP describes Berliner Weisse as light in color, highly carbonated, and low in hop aroma. A drinker might expect a bready wheat flavor from the malt and "funky" hints of Brettanomyces accompanying the tartness of the beer.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fraudulent hoax

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 00:22, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fraudulent hoax
Delete. Changed from a speedy candidate to a VfD nomination by the author's (User:SamuraiClinton) request. Simply not needed – both Fraud and Hoax are adequately covered in their respective articles, and an article on Fraudulent hoaxes, whatever that might mean, would only dilute the content. Note that the author also added merge directives to Fraud and Hoax without giving any real reason why such a merger would be appropriate. Also note that an RfC is ongoing for SamuraiClinton. android↔talk 00:02, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * This article was made so that content from fraud and hoax that mention them being used on each other could belong here. I think we should keep this. --TheSamurai 23:53, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't make any sense. "Fraudulent hoax" gets less than 100 distinct hits on Google; it simply isn't a term with enough currency in the real world to warrant its own separate article. It's more than sufficient for fraud and hoax to link to each other; there doesn't need to be a breakout article for when the two overlap. Bearcat 00:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, won't become an article, dictdef at best. Tempshill 00:39, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think it's a reasonable idea, frauds and hoaxes are similar enough to be merged. Unfortunately hoaxes are pretty much all fraudulent, so this wouldn't be the way to do it. Kappa 01:21, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I think they're pretty different concepts. Hoaxes are an attempt to spread misinformation (i.e. "Good Times" email virus warnings) while frauds are deceptive schemes run for profit (i.e. pyramid scams). Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 02:23, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is no more necessary than an article on Untrue lies. —Charles P. (Mirv) 02:52, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Has about as much meaning as the phrase "Non notable School". Klonimus 04:14, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * ...or "inclusionist trivia." --Calton | Talk 06:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. So is there any difference between "fraud" and "fraudulent hoax"?--Calton | Talk 06:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fraud refers to schemes for personal, usually material, gain, hoax to pranks and jokes that might produce fame or notorierity but no direct material benefits. (Of course, the difference may blur in some of the tricks of P.T. Barnum that were exhibited for money). The problem may be with the term "fraudulent" which in effect means "false". In this context, "fraudulent hoax" would mean "a hoax that does not exist". More reason for delete, in fact... - Skysmith 08:00, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with reasoning of Skysmith and Starblind. Mgm|(talk) 08:04, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Delete I hate to destroy someones intellectual submissions, but this just isn't proper here. --Fritz9000 07:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article serves no discrete purpose and has nothing in it worth salvaging. Naturenet 12:56, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete in agreement with the others. Oliver Keenan 14:53, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all of my arguments have already been made by others. hydnjo talk 15:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Same here. --Djacobs 20:13, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete SamuraiClintoncruft. RickK 23:02, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. What everybody else said. Wile E. Heresiarch 22:47, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism. Rhobite 00:03, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Crap.  Postdlf 09:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not useful. Wmahan. 04:15, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Talk:Jim Henson Studios

I've reverted this article to a redirect to The Jim Henson Company, because I can't find any evidence that the company ever used this name—though many people seem to think that "Jim Henson Studios" is the company's name.

Also, there is a Jim Henson Studio (one "s") in Hollywood, though I'm not sure if it's still connected to the Henson company.) —tregoweth 23:55, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead, more Cartoon Vandal stuff. RickK 23:57, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

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China League One

The Chinese Football Association League 1, also known as China League One or Chinese Jia League , is the second level of professional football in China, under the Chinese Super League.

Prior to the formation of the Chinese Super League, Jia League was known as Jia B League. The then top two levels of Chinese football league were known as Jia A League and Jia B League respectively. Jia A was rebranded as CSL and Jia B was rebranded as the current Jia League in 2004. Below the Jia League is the Yi League, following the Chinese Heavenly Stems naming convention of numbers.

It is currently made up of 16 teams, playing each other home and away once. At the end of each season, the top two teams are promoted to the CSL and the two lowest placed teams from the CSL are relegated to China League Two. The top two teams from China League Two are promoted and replace the two lowest placed teams from China League One.

Top scorers

 * Winner of 2017 China League One Golden Boot.

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LMCU Ballpark

LMCU Ballpark is a ballpark located in Comstock Park, Michigan, just north of Grand Rapids. Established as Old Kent Park in 1994, the stadium hosts a minor league baseball team, the West Michigan Whitecaps, and other sporting events. The ballpark's Fifth Third Burger was featured on an episode of Man v. Food. A fire damaged some of the first base side of the stadium on January 3, 2014, but the stadium re-opened in time to host the Whitecaps for the 2014 season.

The stadium
LMCU Ballpark is home to the West Michigan Whitecaps, a professional minor league baseball team and Midwest League affiliate of the Detroit Tigers. LMCU Ballpark was originally built in 1994 as Old Kent Park. The name was changed when Fifth Third Bank purchased Old Kent Bank in 2000, then again in 2021 when a new naming rights partnership was signed with Lake Michigan Credit Union.

LMCU Ballpark opened with a seating capacity of 5,701 has been expanded in 1996 to seat 10,700, and 1999 to seat 11,000. It currently has a seating capacity of 8,942, including 7,642 fixed chairback seats. The stadium was built entirely with private funds. No taxpayer dollars were used in the construction.

In addition to baseball, LMCU Ballpark can also be used for other events including motorsports and concerts, where it seats up to 15,000. The ballpark hosts a large display of Christmas lights.

The ballpark is also notable for its Fifth Third Burger, a 5 lb, 4,800-calorie burger made with five 1/3 lb burger patties and topped with American cheese, nacho cheese sauce, chili, shredded lettuce, diced tomato, salsa, sour cream, and tortilla chips, all stuffed inside an 8 in sesame seed bun. On the Season 2 "Baseball Special" episode of The Travel Channel's Man v. Food, host Adam Richman participated in a challenge in which he had to eat this burger in under the final 2$1⁄2$ innings of the Whitecaps game (that is, after the 7th Inning Stretch). Adam won the challenge on behalf of "man", earning him a commemorative "Call 911" T-shirt and his photo posted on the Wall of Fame. As of the time of the July 2009 taping, 1,213 Fifth Third Burgers had been sold with Richman becoming just the 157th person to earn the T-shirt.

On September 29, 2007, Grand Valley State University defeated Wayne State University, 41–10, in the first-ever football game to be played at LMCU Ballpark. Grand Valley wore "Throwback" uniforms for the event.

On January 3, 2014, a fire broke out in one of the skyboxes, destroying much of the first base side of the structure and several skyboxes. The fire was caused by a space heater set next to a Rubbermaid trash can. Employees at the park at the time were able to escape without injury. The stadium reopened in time for Opening Day, and remodeling finished in time for the ballpark to host the 2014 Midwest League All-Star Game.

On October 8, 2016, LMCU Ballpark hosted an international friendly soccer game between Grand Rapids FC and Aurora United FC of Ontario.

In popular culture
B-Roll footage of a game between the West Michigan Whitecaps and South Bend Silver Hawks at then Fifth Third Ballpark is featured in Champ's Whammy! home runs scene in Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues. Officials with the West Michigan Whitecaps were unaware they would be featured in the movie and only found out after it was released in December 2013.

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Tribe 8 (role-playing game)

Tribe 8 is a fantasy/post-apocalypse role-playing game designed by Philippe R. Boulle, Stéphane Brochu and Joshua Mosqueira-Asheim with visuals by Ghislain Barbe. It was first released in 1998 by Canadian publisher Dream Pod 9 as a departure from their mostly mecha line of hard science fiction games.

Publication history
The third game released by Dream Pod 9, rather than another giant robot game, was a new approach for the company, the post-apocalyptic fantasy game Tribe 8 (1998) by Phil Boulle, Josh Mosqueira and Stéphane Brochu. Following the release of Tribe 8, Dream Pod 9 focused most of their new role-playing game production on this new line, making Tribe 8 the top selling RPG for the company from 1999-2001. Tribe 8 second edition was later released in 2004.

Setting
Tribe 8 is a near future game in which the player characters are exiles from their tribes looking to form an eighth tribe based on their fables, while they deal with warring factions and a world invaded by creatures from beyond the River of Dream.

Tribe 8 takes place in a land known as Vimary, which is a post-apocalyptic Montreal, Quebec, Canada. At some indeterminate point in history, something has gone horribly, cosmically wrong. Though the nature of this disaster is never fully explained, the result was the appearance of the "Z'bri", twisted demonic creatures of spirit who either initiated the fall of the "World Before," or came in the wake of its destruction. The Z'bri, needing flesh to sate their demonic hungers, herded the majority of humanity into camps where they were killed or enslaved until the "Fatimas" (Avatars of what is called "The One Goddess") imbued humanity with hope and with Synthesis, a potent but subtle form of dream magic. In this way, the Z'bri were fought back into the wilds. The Fatimas then established the tribal lands of Vimary, protecting the inhabitants of their own tribes.

Player characters typically take on the role of the Fallen, outcasts from the Tribes who live on the exile island of Hom (present day Île Sainte-Hélène). Although many of the Fallen truly are criminal, many have also been cast out from the Tribes due to their inability to deal with the unjust society that the Fatimas have built. They are heretics, warriors, dreamers, and leaders who hope to build something even when society has abandoned them.

The game has a strong metaplot, which tells the tale of the Fallen's struggle with the Tribes, the demonic Z'bri who had destroyed the world before, and also with themselves. It focuses on themes of spirituality, horror, and the cost of hope in a world that has gone terribly wrong.

The Fatimas
The Fates:

 * Magdalen the Lover – She is the aspect of the One Goddess' sensuality, mystery and passion. Magdalen appears cloaked in gauzy capes covering a body wrapped in barbed wire, her face hidden behind a hood that is zippered closed. Magdelen's children traditionally play the roles of diplomats, courtesans, pharmacists and whores, and the Synthesis power given to them by their Fatima generally center around seduction and betrayal.
 * Eva the Mother – She is the earth mother, the One Goddess' aspect of fertility, with the ability to both create and to destroy. Her anima form is like a headless Venus of Willendorf with gigantic leather bat wings. Her children are farmers, nurses, midwives, healers and caretakers and are granted the Synthesis powers that concentrate on empathy and the manipulation of life-force energy.
 * Baba Yaga the Crone – The keeper of the Fold (the gateway between the physical and spiritual realms), Baba Yaga is a miasma of old bones, earth, wood, rot and decay. She rattles like a dying breath and travels in a swarm of flies. Her children are loremasters, witches and death priests, and they are given Synthesis powers over death and dreaming.

The Pillars of the Nation:

 * Joan the Warrior – Once a fierce and tireless warrior, Joan is reclusive and silent since the death of her brother Joshua. She is a dauntingly powerful figure in a huge brutal black steel frame with bare rebar wings and fearsome weapons. Her children are both the noble defenders and protectors of the tribes as well as the brutal enforcers of Tera Sheba's will. They are smiths and soldiers, templars and glassblowers, and they are gifted with Synthesis governing martial ability, physical prowess and personal tenacity.
 * Tera Sheba the Wise – She is the governance of law and judgment in Vimary. Presenting herself in reams of cloth and parchment, with fans declaring office and three wooden heads, gagged, blindfolded and deafened in turn, Tera Sheba carries a terrifying authority. Her children are the lawmakers, adjudicators, inquisitors and lore keepers, and they are gifted with Synthesis governing truth, wisdom and tradition.

The Dancers:

 * Dahlia the Trickster – The joy and movement of the One Goddess, Dahlia is an ever-changing apparition of elusive masks and fans. Among all the tribes, only Her children do not have tribal lands of their own. Instead they are nomadic, following caravan routes throughout Vimary and into the surrounding lands. They are dancers, traders, tinkers, entertainers, actors, envoys and outrunners, and are gifted with the Synthesis abilities that govern illusion and motion.
 * Agnes the Child – Agnes was not one of the original eight Fatimas. She is a child Fatima born of the ashes of Mary the Forgiver, who died soon after her brother Joshua. Agnes is composed of two parts, a large frightening teddy bear with iron jaws and scissor claws, and a small bedraggled rag doll. Her tribe is a Lord of the Flies-like environment where children are the leaders, who grow into obscurity either by breeding new children or becoming slaves to the tribe. Agnes' children are given the Synthesis gifts that pertain to capriciousness, inspiration and wonder.

The Dead:

 * Joshua the Ravager – The only male Fatima died following the liberation of humanity from the camps, as he and his tribe of berserk warriors led the charge to drive the Z'bri lords and their beasts back from the lands of Vimary. The circumstances of his death are mysterious, carrying special portent due to a prophecy that he uttered before dying: he proclaimed that his death would be avenged, and that his tribe would arise again from the wretches and the outcasts. Tribe 8 gets its name from this prophecy and the belief of many of the Fallen that they are the children of this prophecy.

Release history
The first printing of the core rulebook was soft cover and was later reprinted in a hardcover format. An extensive line of Tribe 8 books was printed, consisting of "Word of" books, cycle books, Legend books, and setting sourcebooks. The "Word of" books focused on the details of the Tribes and their society. Cycle books were a linked series of adventures that built up an epic story of the Fallen and their search for destiny. The setting sourcebooks covered lands and places in detail, expanding the world – including books giving more detail on the Z'bri, the River of Dream, and the Outlands. Finally the Legend books were short series of stories with adventures not connected to the meta-plot of the cycle books.

Tribe 8, 2nd edition was printed in 2004 as a soft cover book that used the Silhouette Core Rules. Thus, unlike the 1st edition, it was not a complete game and needed the Silhouette CORE Rulebook to play. The second edition moved the setting from Vimary to Capal (another city), advancing the history of the world by 15 years. It also finally revealed the whole course of the metaplot, allowing Gamemasters to weave their own stories rather than wait to find out how the world would change. Though plans to follow up the second edition with more supplemental books have been discussed, there have been no further releases yet.

Since 2004, many of the Tribe 8 rulebooks and supplements books are available as PDF downloads on DrivethruRPG.

Rule system
Tribe 8 uses Dream Pod 9's own Silhouette game engine. The latest edition of the Silhouette rules is sold separately as a book titled Silhouette CORE Rulebook, which is needed to play the second edition of the Tribe 8 roleplaying game (the first edition rulebook included its own version of Silhouette).

Silhouette is a realistic, simulationist system that defines characters in terms of 10 base attributes (agility, knowledge, etc.), 5 derived attributes (health, etc.), and a variety of skills. Skill rolls make up the backbone of the system, which focuses on effect-based speed of play over grainy detail. The core mechanic involves rolling a number of 6-sided dice, taking the highest result and comparing it to a set threshold number. If the result is higher than the threshold the test is a success; if it is lower the test is a failure. The margin by which the test succeeded (Margin of Success, MoS) or failed (Margin of Failure, MoF) helps to determine the final outcome. Combat is handled by the same system, with characters taking penalty-inflicting wounds rather than depleting a set number of health points. As a result, the system can be lethal, especially on inexperienced characters.

Tribe 8's rules were characteristic for their introduction of magic, which was totally absent of any other Dream Pod 9 game setting.

Reception
According to Shannon Appelcline: "The game was very well received for its combination of evocative setting, interesting metastory and non-linear play. The simplicity of the Silhouette system also continued to be lauded. [...] Some of the sourcebooks were quite well received, such as the Vimary Sourcebook (1998), which provided a description of post-apocalyptic Montreal and is recognised as one of the industry’s top-rated setting books."

The November 1998 issue of Pyramid reported that "Tribe 8 - the newest game release from Dream Pod 9, is an innovative post-apocalyptic Earth. Summed up in the phrase 'The Past is Dead, Your Future Begins Now,' Tribe 8 deals with the possibilities of what is to come, rather than dwelling on what has happened. The core book offers a complete world and system to immediately begin gaming. The book opens solidly, with the prophecies and words of the leaders and people who inhabit the island of 'Vimary,' the detailed setting of Tribe 8. The world is rich and textured, coming alive as you follow the confessions and tales, and you learn of the many and varied elements of Vimary through the seamless prose. The illustrations, surprisingly, coincide with the writing and are of professional quality. Definite eye candy! By the time you complete the first half of the main rule book, you'll be completely immersed in the atmosphere of the game. Tribe 8 centers around the Fallen, individuals who have questioned the status quo and have subsequently been exiled. This is where the characters begin play, having recently been stripped of family, clan, and tribe. Character creation is fun and set up in steps, helping the player complete a fully realized, three dimensional person".

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Dog worship
Although created earlier, this article contains the same information from the 1911 Britannica as in Animal worship. Therefore merging would be redundant. This article should be turned into a Redirect to that article. --Tydaj 00:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Surely if there's no info being lost then a vote's not needed for this one? Be bold - just do it!(Remember to check the "what links" list afterwards, though) Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 00:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Is this "god worship" for dyslexics? Seriously, redirect. - Lucky 6.9 04:04, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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West, Bruce and Laing

West, Bruce and Laing (also known by the acronym WBL) were a Scottish–American-Canadian blues rock power trio super-group formed in 1972 by Leslie West (guitar and vocals; formerly of Mountain), Jack Bruce (bass, harp, keyboards and vocals; ex-Cream), and Corky Laing (drums and vocals; ex-Mountain). The band released two studio albums, Why Dontcha (1972) and Whatever Turns You On (1973), during their active tenure. Their disbanding was officially announced in early 1974 prior to the release of their third and last album, Live 'n' Kickin'.

In 2009 West and Laing briefly relaunched the band, with Jack Bruce's son Malcolm substituting for his father on bass. This incarnation of the band toured the UK and North America under the name 'West, Bruce Jr. and Laing'.

Formation and record deal
The trio agreed to work together in London in January 1972 near the end of Mountain’s 1971–72 European tour supporting their album Flowers of Evil (1971), after Mountain’s bassist/vocalist/producer Felix Pappalardi announced he would leave the band at the tour’s end. (Pappalardi had, by late 1971, become addicted to heroin.) Jack Bruce knew Pappalardi well; Pappalardi had produced all but one of Cream's albums, and occasionally also performed with them in the studio. Subsequently, as Mountain's producer, Pappalardi would fashion his new band's sound after that of Cream, in particular scoring a 1970 hit with a cover version of Bruce’s song "Theme for an Imaginary Western" (from Bruce's 1969 album Songs for a Tailor, which Pappalardi produced). Bruce was thus viewed as a natural "replacement" for Pappalardi in West and Laing’s post-Mountain venture, with several record companies and management organizations expressing interest in signing the new band.

West and Laing’s manager Bud Prager, and Bruce’s manager Robert Stigwood, jockeyed for influence with WBL, with Prager ultimately establishing the more dominant position by brokering a USD 1 million, three-album contract (7,5 million dollars in 2024 ) for the band with CBS/Columbia Records – a large artist signing for the day. As part of the deal, Prager arranged for WBL’s records to be distributed by CBS under his and Pappalardi's Windfall Records imprint, and for Mountain’s back catalog of albums to be reissued by CBS/Windfall. CBS Records' head at the time, Clive Davis, would be quoted as saying that the negotiations for WBL "showed record-company competition at its fiercest."

Touring success and first album
Mostly leveraging material from Cream’s and Mountain’s back catalogs, West, Bruce & Laing began touring almost immediately after Mountain's disbanding, completing a 30-date North American tour even before their record deal with CBS was finalized. The band remained a hot live commodity throughout 1972; notably, a November 1972 WBL show at New York City's Radio City Music Hall sold out 6,000 seats within four hours.

Upon signing with CBS, WBL began work on their first album, Why Dontcha (November 1972). The album took longer than expected to complete, in part from inefficiency due to drug use by the band and their production team; upon its delivery to the label, CBS was dissatisfied with the album's quality and did not heavily promote it. In spite of this, however, Why Dontcha performed respectably in the marketplace, peaking at #26 on the Billboard album chart and staying on the chart for twenty weeks.

Turmoil, second album and dissolution
WBL continued to tour North America and Europe extensively during late 1972 and early 1973 in support of Why Dontcha. However, the band's heavy drug use hurt their performances, and apparently at times even influenced their tour schedule. Corky Laing would later note:

[It was] a very, very dark time. New York meant coke, England meant heroin, because that’s where the best quality was. I had this Hayman drumkit made that was going to be shipped back to the States. This heroin connection of Jack's said that her business connections would pay me $250,000 if they could ship heroin back in the drums. They were all metal so nobody would have noticed the extra weight.

The band took a break from touring in the spring of 1973 to record a second studio album, Whatever Turns You On, in London. The sessions became contentious – they became "really nasty because of the smack" according to the album's co-producer Andy Johns – with West and Laing electing to return home to New York before mixdown was complete. The album was released in July 1973, peaking at #87 on the Billboard chart.

The Whatever Turns You On sessions would be the last time West, Bruce & Laing would work together. However, news of the band’s breakup would be publicly withheld until early 1974, with the band’s posthumous live album Live 'n' Kickin' released shortly thereafter.

Post-breakup
Following the breakup of WBL, in late 1973 West and Laing briefly toured as Leslie West's Wild West Show. Following this, West reunited with Felix Pappalardi in a new line-up of Mountain. This band would work together through 1974, with Corky Laing ultimately joining as well. West and Laing would again reform Mountain in 1985 (without Pappalardi, who died in 1983), and sporadically played together in the band until 2010.

Jack Bruce resumed a solo career after WBL's demise; his later career highlights included collaborations with guitarist Robin Trower and jazz percussionist/producer Kip Hanrahan, as well as a 2005 reunion with Cream. Bruce died in 2014.

In 2009 West and Laing teamed up with Jack Bruce's son, Malcolm Bruce, and toured as West, Bruce Jr. and Laing. This group was advertised by some venues as a reformation of West, Bruce & Laing, with Malcolm described as "filling in" for his father on the tour.

Leslie West died in 2020, leaving Corky Laing as WBL's only surviving member.

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Dž

Dž (titlecase form; all-capitals form DŽ, lowercase dž) is the seventh letter of the Gaj's Latin alphabet for Serbo-Croatian (Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian), after D and before Đ. It is pronounced. Dž is a digraph that corresponds to the letter Dzhe (Џ/џ) of the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. It is also the tenth letter of the Slovak alphabet. Although several other languages (see below) also use the letter combination DŽ, they treat it as a pair of the letters D and Ž, not as a single distinct letter.

Note that when the letter is the initial of a capitalised word (like Džungla or Džemper, or personal names like Džemal or Džamonja), the ž is not uppercase. Only when the whole word is written in uppercase, is the Ž capitalised.

The capitalized version of this letter ('Ǆ'), as a single character in Unicode, is also the largest character amongst every Latin character in size (in blocks Basic Latin, Latin Extended-A, Latin Extended-B).

Treatment as a single letter
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Czech does have the sound, but in native Czech words it only occurs as a replacement of before other voiced consonants. Therefore, and  are written in native words using the same letter č. This is not possible in loanwords, and Czech adopted the Dž orthography in this case (for example džus). In this case, the two letters are always split when text is written vertically. Lithuanian and Latvian similarly use Dž without considering it a separate letter.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SEX (Computers)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was redirect to SEX (computers). – ABCD 00:24, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

SEX (Computers)
Zantastik marked this vfd on March 8, but never made a subpage or listed it on vfd. I'm just bringing it here for resolution; do not consider this a vote. —Korath (Talk) 00:05, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * looks like a dicdef at best, IMO. Also states that it was a straight copy from "the jargon file".  del BigFatDave 02:06, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The Jargon File is apparently public domain. Uncle G 11:18, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete? See More_bad_jokes_and_other_deleted_nonsense, #38. Now check this article's history. Possibly deleted before? Nestea 02:27, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This was copied verbatim from The Jargon File. Wikipedia is not a Jargon File mirror, even for its non-joke entries. android↔talk 02:33, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Useless duplication of the (far better) SEX (computers) that resurrects content that has already been BJAODNed once. Delete if you believe that no-one will look for this rather than simply looking for SEX; Redirect otherwise. Uncle G 11:18, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a possible copyvio too. Delete K1Bond007 19:27, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * redirect to SEX (computers). Grue 20:04, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to SEX (computers). Not a copyvio -- the Jargon File is public domain. --Carnildo 22:19, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to SEX (computers). Megan1967 09:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to SEX (computers). Wmahan. 04:19, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)

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Brendan Courtney

Brendan Courtney (born 24 June 1971 in Dublin) is an Irish TV presenter and fashion designer. He was the first openly gay presenter in Ireland. He has hosted Wanderlust on RTÉ Two, The Brendan Courtney Show on TV3.

Career
Courtney began his career on RTÉ Two's Wanderlust and ITV1's Love Match UK. He was the main developer of the idea of Wanderlust. He previously hosted The Brendan Courtney Show, a prime time talk show on Ireland's TV3 television channel. He also presented the RTÉ reality show Treasure Island.

In October 2006, he became the presenter on ITV2's late night dating show Playdate. From 2006 to 2008, he hosted and produced The Clothes Show with Caryn Franklyn and Louise Redknapp, As of Autumn 2008, he was co-hosting RTÉ One's Off the Rails. He also frequently hosted at the Clothes Show Live in Birmingham. He was on the panel of judges on Ladies' Day at the 138th RDS Horse Show on 4 August 2011. He has also judged Alternative Miss Ireland in The George, Dublin. He is one half of design duo Lennon Courtney along with Sonya Lennon.

Since 2020, he was hosted Keys To My Life on RTE1.

Activism
In August 2009, Courtney spoke at a rally in Dublin requesting full marriage equality. He was attacked in a hate crime by a stranger while walking home down South Great George's Street in Dublin in 2011, a man punched him in the face and shouted "queer" before running away. Courtney said it was "disgraceful" that such an incident could occur in Dublin. He told Liveline that more than 50 other gay people had told him of their own experiences of being assaulted or verbally abused in towns nationwide.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waking the Tiger 2

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep --SPUI (talk) 04:56, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Waking the Tiger
This was voted for undeletion. Accordingly per procedure I am relisting on VfD. I currently have no vote on this article. If I decide otherwise I will enter an explicit vote below.
 * The article was originally entitled "How to Heal Traumas,"
 * The original reason given for deletion was "Barely coherent, New Age-ish, unreferenced essay with a special guest appearance by Medusa. In cleanup for more than 6 months. Completely idiosyncratic non-topic."
 * The original debate is at Talk:Walking_the_Tiger/Archive:Votes_for_deletion:How_to_heal_traumas.
 * The article at the time of deletion is essentially the identical to the oldest revision of the current article.
 * The second VfD debate is at Votes_for_deletion/Waking_the_Tiger; most of the delete votes argued that it was re-creation of previously deleted material, most of the keep votes argued that it was a new article about a reasonably notable book.
 * The VfU discussion centered on the issue of whether this is a re-creation of material voted for deletion, or completely new material. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Votes
 * Keep, seems notable enough. --SPUI (talk) 00:27, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I just edited the article and added a lot of hedging. Previously it was unacceptably presenting as true the various theories about the author.  (I know nothing about this alleged book.)  Tempshill 00:38, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I change to abstain; my edits were only to make the factual claims barely acceptable in the event it turns out to be a keeper; I don't endorse the continued existence of the article. Tempshill 00:44, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I'm unsure of its notability, but I'll give a 2,183 Amazon sales rank the benefit of the doubt.  No judgment from the previous VfD should carry over to this substantially different version.  Postdlf 00:41, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The deletion of this article at the close of the last round of Vfd -- which reached no consensus -- is itself procedurally questionable. Be that as it may, IMO, we must make a decision about the article as it exists, not to enforce some procedural pet peeve.  Keep, by the way.  Jgm 02:48, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Amazon rank over 10,000 Suggests this is a notable book. Klonimus 04:17, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Book's notability is established. Sjakkalle 07:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per the above. Radiant_* 07:59, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup and expand. Seems notable. Megan1967 08:20, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 'Keep and expand. Oliver Keenan 14:53, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Voted undelete in VfU. Notable in my view. --JuntungWu 14:45, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems OK to me. --Monoet 16:40, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are worse things you can write an article on than a book you can buy in bookstores and order from Amazon. 24.4.127.164 05:19, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Talk:Teach the Controversy

this article should be deleted
There is no controversy. Evolution is real. We should not pretend like it exists and therefore we should delete this article 99.101.56.68 (talk) 18:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

 * This is not an article about evolution, it is an article about a political stratagem. tgeorgescu (talk) 18:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 22 March 2023

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The result of the move request was: Page moved back to Teach the Controversy. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 18:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Teach the controversy (campaign) → teach the controversy – unnecessary parenthesis. Teach the controversy redirects here. Marsbar8 (talk) 00:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support alternate move to Teach the Controversy, the original title before it was unilaterally moved without discussion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Move back to stable title Teach the Controversy, per above. 162 etc. (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support move to Teach the Controversy per above replies. 〜 Festucalex  •  talk  16:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Seungri400 (talk) 19:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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User talk:Stuart Hardie

While your comment to Cannabis (drug) was probably correct and certainly well intentioned, wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and so we can't accept such a warning in the article, --SqueakBox 00:13, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

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Beat the Chef (Australian TV series)

Beat The Chef is a television show shown on ABC-TV in Australia. It is a part game show part cooking show where two contestants cook a meal out of strange ingredients within 25 minute time limit. This show was influenced by the world-popular Japanese cooking show Iron Chef.

The show was cancelled in 2006.

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Cover of Frank Plicka's first and only published book, Streets of Sydney

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Talk:Bags (Los Angeles band)

Thanks to whomever put detail to this article...i was the guy who added the Bags in the punk cities article. :)

This is pulled directly off of The Bags official website.

http://www.alicebag.com/the_bags.html

misspelling, Armendariz?
Armendariz shows up on google2z2z 00:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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It's kind of difficult to be consistent about the name of the band, since in their time they've gone under the name "Bags", "The Bags", and even "Alice Bag Band". I think the main one to be used should be just "Bags", since the two singles they released (as well as their Yes LA compilation appearance) while the band was still current were all listed as "Bags". "The Bags", which was used for the 2007 compilation and some of the posters from that era, should be treated as an alternate name. "Alice Bag Band" would be another, although I think that was used only briefly, maybe even with a different lineup, at the time they appeared in "Decline of Western Civilization". Peter G Werner (talk) 13:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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Rosemary Thomson

Rosemary Thomson is a Canadian conductor and chorus master. As of 2018, she is the Music Director of the Okanagan Symphony Orchestra, chorus master of the Calgary Philharmonic, and Assistant Conductor for the Canadian Opera Company.

Early life and education
Thomson was born in St. Catharines, Ontario. She received a Bachelor of Music degree (piano) from the University of Toronto and is also a graduate of their Advanced Graduate Conducting Program.

Career
From 1994 to 1996 Thomson was the conductor for the Dundas Valley Orchestra in Hamilton, Ontario. In 1997 and 1998 she worked as a resident conductor for the Winnipeg Symphony Orchestra. Thomson was hired as resident conductor of the Calgary Philharmonic orchestra for three seasons, beginning in 2001. In 2006 she was a guest conductor for the Toronto Symphony Youth Orchestra.

She served as principal conductor of the Okanagan Symphony orchestra from 2006 until 2023. She is now Conductor Emeritus.

In 2008 Thomson was a guest conductor with the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra. In 2011 she was chorus master of the Calgary Philharmonic and assistant conductor for the Canadian Opera Company.

In 2015 she conducted the Vancouver Opera Orchestra for the UBC Opera Ensemble's production of Manon, and in 2018 Thomson conducted the orchestra for Opera Nuova’s farcical production The Arctic Flute in Edmonton.

Awards

 * London Music Foundation Rosie Robinow Prize for promising pianist (1986)
 * Sir Ernest MacMillan Memorial Foundation Award for Orchestral Conductors (1998)

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Shari Ulrich

Sharon "Shari" Ulrich (born 17 October 1951) is a Canadian/American musician and songwriter. She has also worked as a television host, actress, film composer, and educator. A multi-instrumentalist, she plays Violin, Mandolin, guitar, piano, and Dulcimer.

She has been nominated for a Juno Award four times, winning "Most Promising Female Vocalist of the Year" in 1982. At the 15th Genie Awards in 1994, Ulrich, Graeme Coleman and David Graff received a Genie Award nomination for Best Original Song, for the song "Every Road", which appeared in the film Max.

Early life
Ulrich was born in San Rafael, California to Esther and Stanley Ulrich; she was the youngest of three children. Esther was proficient on piano, while Stanley (who worked in banking), played the recorder for relaxation. Shari picked up music early, playing violin at age nine. Stanley died when Shari was 10 years old, leaving Esther to raise their family as a single parent. Ulrich moved to British Columbia at the age of 18.

Career
Ulrich performed on the coffeehouse circuit around Vancouver in the early 1970s. In 1973, she met up with Rick Scott and Joe Mock, and together they formed Pied Pumkin which first performed that year.

Ulrich toured with Valdy in 1976 as a member of The Hometown Band. After they disbanded in 1978, the same year they won the Juno Award for "Most Promising Group of the Year", she went solo, and won a 1981 Juno Award for "Most Promising Female Vocalist" and received Juno nominations in the following two years for "Best Female Vocalist".

Ulrich wrote for Sesame Street and composed theme music for several networks, including the CBC. In 1989 she formed the folk music group UHF along with Bill Henderson (Chilliwack) and Roy Forbes.

In 2009, Ulrich joined Barney Bentall and Tom Taylor and formed BTU (Bentall Taylor Ulrich), releasing the album "Live" at Cates Hill followed by the studio album Tightrope Walk.

Ulrich continues to perform solo (often accompanied by daughter Julia Graff on violin, piano, mandolin, guitar, accordion and vocals). Graff also engineered and produced Ulrich's 2014 release "Everywhere I Go" and Bentall Taylor Ulrich's 2016 "Tightrope Walk", and 2019's "Back to Shore" (co-produced and engineered by Julia's partner James Perrella). She tours occasionally with the Pied Pumkin, UHF, BTU and the bluegrass group The High Bar Gang. She lives on Bowen Island, British Columbia.

Personal life
Ulrich was married (1989 - 1996) to musician, songwriter and artist David Graff, Julia Graff's father, who performs in his band as well. She is also a busy audio engineer, music editor in film and television, and videographer. Shari also has a son, Oregon architect Mike Magee, who was put up for adoption in 1967, and with whom she reunited in 2009.

Solo

 * Long Nights, 1980. (A&M Records)
 * One Step Ahead, 1981. (A&M Records)
 * Talk Around Town, 1982. (MCA Records)
 * Every Road, 1989. (Independent)
 * The Best of Shari Ulrich, 1991. (Esther Records)
 * The View from Here, 1998. (Esther Records)
 * Find Our Way, 2010. (Esther Records)
 * Everywhere I Go, 2014. (Borealis Records)
 * Back to Shore, 2019. (Borealis Records)

Group

 * The Pied Pumkin String Ensemble - Pied Pumkin, 1974. (Squash Records)
 * Pie Pumkin Allah Mode - Pied Pumkin, 1976. (Squash Records)
 * Flying - The Hometown Band, 1976. (A&M Records) (Re-released 2012)
 * The Hometown Band - The Hometown Band, 1977. (A&M Records) (Re-released 2012)
 * Pear of Pied Pumkin - Pied Pumkin, 1978. (Squash Records)
 * The Lost Squash Tapes - Pied Pumkin 1988. (Squash Records)
 * UHF - UHF, 1990. (Tangible Records)
 * UHF II - UHF, 1995. (Tangible Records)
 * Plucking DeVine - Pied Pumkin, 1998. (Squash Records)
 * 'Live' at Cates Hill - Barney Bentall, Shari Ulrich, Tom Taylor, 2009. (Independent)
 * Lost and Undone - The High Bar Gang, 2013. (True North Records)
 * Tightrope Walk - Bentall Taylor Ulrich, 2016. (Borealis Records)
 * Someday the Heart Will Trouble the Mind - The High Bar Gang, 2017. (True North Records)

title: Shari Ulrich