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Talk:Command key

Image query
Do we really need the image of the symbol in the hedges? How is that relevant? 24.49.35.99 (talk) 05:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Command key vs Apple key
This passage seems to suggest that an official name switch happened at some point:
 * "Most common actions in Mac OS X have a keyboard equivalent that uses the Command key, previously known as the Apple key, as a modifier." -- Java 1.3.1 Development for Mac OS X

--69.214.227.51 06:22, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes. The switch took place between the Apple II and the Macintosh. However, many users continued to use the term "Apple key", and with the Mac II Apple started placing both the Command and Apple characters on the key itself. (That's how it is on today's Mac keyboards, too.) However, even the earliest Mac software documentation refers to the key as Command, and the cloverleaf icon rather than the old "Open Apple" icon was used even in the original Mac menus.

 * The current text, “known as Apple key in documentation previous to the Apple Macintosh family of computers,” strikes me as rather irrelevant. One could just as well say, “known as the Meta key on various mainframe systems.” -Ahruman 10:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The Apple IIgs was an odd case. It had a Macintosh-style keyboard (indeed, it used the same Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) as the Mac II and every other Mac up until the iMac) but it ran Apple II software. The keyboard had keys labeled as Command and Option ... but Apple II software documentation referred to them as "Open Apple" and "Closed Apple" keys. --FOo 03:59, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Open Apple vs. Closed Apple
I seem to recall from my childhood, when the school I attended had Apple computers, that the Open Apple and Closed Apple keys had seperate functions. Therefore the teacher had to specify, by saying Open or Closed, which apple key it was that she wanted the students to hold down. To this day I still always say "open apple" instead of just "apple" when referring to key combos for shortcuts. I think that this is a noteworthy addition to the article but I don't want to trust my memory alone. Does anyone else have any knowledge of what I recall? Dismas 08:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yep, they were considered as different keys by the OS. I read somewhere that those keys had the same functions as button 1 and 2 on joysticks for Apple II.

 * The Closed Apple key was the same as the Option key, as I discovered when using Apple II software on the IIgs (which had an ADB keyboard, with an Option key). Some Apple II software used the Open and Closed Apple keys both for command shortcuts -- much as Windows software uses Ctrl and Alt, or Emacs uses Ctrl and Meta. --FOo 18:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Its name
I have never heard ANYONE call it clover or splat or butterfly or beanie or flower or shamrock. Shamrocks have three heart-shaped leaves anyway. But the article talks about an "official name". Surely the Unicode name is official.... Evertype 12:34, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Me either. It's the command key, or the command key symbol. --Steven Fisher 02:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's me neither. This pisses me off. You don't say 'A eagle' do you? How hard can basic English be? 86.132.21.253 (talk) 11:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A shamrock is a clover and the term "four-leaf clover" is popular enough that a layman may refer to it as such. I've never head of "splat" but i have the others mentions, plus "highway offramp thingy symbol," to quote. pattersonc 23:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Just because Evertype has never heard the alternate terms used doesn't mean they aren't. I've heard butterfly and clover, and I've also heard propeller. As far as "official names" go, Unicode doesn't offer a name...only a number. The Apple HI Guidelines don't name the symbol itself, but the key is unambiguously referred to as "command."Exia 01:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No name in Unicode? The Character Palette assigns it the name PLACE OF INTEREST SIGN. So also does a Unicode 4.0 map at Columbia, and the Character Names Index at unicode.org. Doesn't that come from the Unicode standard? --Jackrepenning (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 * With the senoir adults I tutor, I use the phrase "command key" and if I get a blank stare, I say "cloverleaf key"; that usually registers with them. The New Oxford American Dictionary defines cloverleaf: "noun> a junction of roads intersecting at different levels with connecting sections forming the pattern of a four-leaf clover. adjective> having a shape or pattern resembling a leaf of clover, esp. a four-leaf clover : cloverleaf rolls." --Charles Gaudette 22:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I've heard "flower", particularly among users with little or no formal computing instruction -- e.g. secretaries at the small college where I used to work. ("Type flower-S to save your file.") The others seem to be idiolect uses. --FOo 02:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I usually refer to the key (to non Mac users) as "Apple", as in "Press Apple-space". The Apple symbol is much more recognisable to them than the Swedish campground thing. But I have also used the term "control-alt-pretzel" and been understood. PeteVerdon 21:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I still hear it referred to as the open apple key a lot. 63.238.141.34 21:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, on the Swedish signs it is supposed to represent a castle with four towers. It's not really a clover... --Leo Bolin 22:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I wanna do a fore quit
MY G4 is frozen what is the short cut to force quit without shutting computer down?

D.I.

 * Command-Option-Escape. Please sign your comments, it would help. WizardDuck 00:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Mapping of Command to Windows key
When a non-Apple designed keyboard is present in the Mac OS X environment the operating system tries to map a similar key to the Command key function.

I was under the impression that the Windows, Command, and Meta keys actually all have the same scancode, and that no keyboard detection on the part of OS X was required. Is this not actually the case? User:Glenn Willen (Talk) 04:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Font To View Command Key Symbol
Do you need a certain font installed to see the command key symbol? Viewing this page with Firefox 2 on Win XP (with the standard fonts as supplied) I see a question mark in several places where I assume the command key symbol is supposed to be. Using Internet Explorer 7 I see a small square instead of the symbol. --Kesfan 20:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you need a browser that understands Unicode (as Firefox and pretty much every other browser does), and a Unicode font that contains the character. —Frungi 13:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

How to insert Command character
How about including a section showing what key combo to hit in order to insert a Command icon? It's one of the few characters that I don't know how to insert. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wingedbeaver (talk • contribs) 18:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

 * I normally use the Character Palette. I think the default keyboard shortcut for that is Command+Option+T. This particular symbol is located in the “All Characters” view under Symbols → Technical Symbols. Or you can use the search box at the bottom of the Character Palette and type “Place of Interest” orijinal 21:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Macbook Air + Open Apple
I noticed this particular sentence in the article: "The 'Open Apple' made a return on the MacBook Air, announced on 15 January 2008." I checked the Apple Macbook Air website, and it appears not to have an open apple on any key. I hesitate to change the article as I do not know whether there are multiple versions of the keyboard. I added a citation needed tag to the article for now. --Kainino (talk) 04:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Advantages
Is there any advantage to using command over control? Command seems to behave exactly the same way as control does on windows, so what's the control key used for on mac? As far as I can tell, sometimes your get ported programs (e.g. matlab) which use control instead of command. This makes it really confusing because you then have to remember which key to use. So does it actually do anything other than confusing me, adding to the plethora of existing modifiers (my macbook pro has four! five if you include shift) and making copy/paste in terminals slightly easier? 86.132.21.253 (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't know about "advantage", but if you want to use a Mac, you have to know which modifier keys to use. Command (⌘), Alt aka Option, Control, fn, and shift make 30 different combinations (not counting "none of the above" and Shift by itself), and it's not easy to remember what combo to use for what function in which program. I've got (pause to count) seven little cheatsheets on Post-It notes or taped-on slips of paper across the bottom of my iMac. The newest one is "Mail keyboard shortcuts", to jump to Inbox, Outbox, Drafts, etc. I came to this page while trying to figure out how to type it up. --Thnidu (talk) 17:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

 * The original Mac did not have a Control key (perhaps it sounded too geeky), so all keyboard shortcuts used Command. The Control key was added later for compatibility with Apple II/MS-DOS/terminal programs, so you're right on the money. A Mac GUI user may never have the need to press Control. Atarivideomusic (talk) 06:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Unicode refs
Even though the Unicode code point number (U+2318) is already mentioned in the lead section, I've added it to The origin of "⌘" to go along with the Unicode character name. Also added updated references to Unicode Standard v6.0. --Thnidu (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

IIgs menus
On the IIgs, the apple logo *was* used in the menus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 (talk) 18:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Albert Wesker

Main Antagonist?
I question this claim. He is arguably the main human antagonist in the original game, but you never actually fight him. Then he isn't in Part 2 or 3 at all. He shows up in Code Veronica but the "main antagonist" label doesn't exactly fit that game either. I don't know much about Part 0 but I know he's basically a "bonus" character in Part 4. I am editing this, please discuss before reverting. --Feitclub 06:23, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Despite the fact that there is difficulty in titling Wesker as the principal villain within the individual scenarios of each games, I believe that he does fulfill the role as the main antagonist. I think the problem with labelling Wesker with this title is that he is not given the status of most archetypal villains (he has been killed and defeated by all of the primary heroes have knowledge of who he is.) Either way, his feud with Chris Redfield (arguably the series primary hero as he is the character that most fans associate with the series) seems to demonstrate his importance as a villain. -- Jack of Blades

Wesker is not the main antagonist... Ozwell E. Spencer is. Sure, we've never even seen, heard, or have been humanly told about him, but we've read about him and it is no doubt that it was he that started Umbrella, the experiments, the mansion incidents, and everything after. Wesker is just a lackey who thinks he can stray from the pack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.70.139 (talk) 23:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You're all wrong, I think Umbrella as a whole are the antogonists.

Umbrella goes bankrupt and Wesker is still being evil in RE4 and he is trying to revive umbrella, so Umbrella's finished, almost everyone except Spencer is dead, and Spencer is hiding from the police, and Wesker is the only character to have a role in every resident evil, even if he was working in the shadows, and in Umbrella chronicles he technically is the principal character, because he is the one telling everything that had a connection with umbrella's end and you get to play as him. So he really is the main antagonist until we know Spencer's role in future games, its like thinking Darth Vader is the main antagonist in Star Wars then they show you Palpatines powers and role, so wait until RE5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.176.95.55 (talk) 12:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Information about #4
In the article it mentions that Wesker recieved a fake sample from Ada (as well as other claims). Can someone back this up with evidence?

 * Source: Resident Evil 4 (PS2) - Ada's Report - # 5.
 * Ada comments on her orders from 'The Organization' to secure the sample, and to send a different present to Wesker instead, because of the discovery of ties between Albert Wesker and another pharmaceutical corporation, S. Mark4011 07:35, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

bleh
I was doing ok with copyediting till I got to this paragraph:

''Wesker bunkered down in a small secure monitoring room, safe from roaming monsters and from his former team. Here, he began leading the others to traps. When the opportunity presented itself, he gained Barry's cooperation by blackmailing him with threats against his family. Wesker was also responsible for the death of Bravo Team's leader, Enrico Marini, after finding the truth, using Barry to get to him. However, Jill and Chris eventually learned the truth about Wesker and proceeded to destroy the Tyrant, along with the underground laboratory. The two, along with Barry and surviving Bravo Team member Rebecca, escaped the mansion in a helicopter piloted by a guilt-stricken Brad Vickers, and left Wesker for dead after he was killed by Tyrant, which he had himself awakened.''

Then my eyes started bleeding because it is so ambiguous and parts do not make sense and ...well. Someone else please help this paragraph because I suspect the ambiguity is due to actual plot info that I don't know about, not being a RE fan and I don't want to change the meaning of anything. --Naha|(talk) 20:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It could used a bit of clearing up. I'll get right to it.

The Main character?
I don't plan on putting this in the wiki although I had thought about it...but its just speculation more than anything so not for now. I was wondering, does anyone else feel like Wesker is the pseudo main character of the entire Resident Evil series? He may not be the hero, but he's technically been in almost every single RE or at least by far the highest amount...and if he's not there physically he at least has an intangible presense usually.

RE0=He's with Birkin, and Bravo Team's dillemna is of course his doing. RE=We all know his part here RE2=He may not have been there in game, but canon wise he was along with Ada for the whole thing...working within the shadows. RE3=He wasn't really there so this is a bit of a stretch, but since he was present in RE2 he must of been looming around the city at least a little, and didn't Nicholai have some connection with him? (Or was he just Umbrella's dog, which would make him a rival of Wesker) RE: Code Veronica=Major role in the plot RE4=Secretly fighting the battle behind the scenes, and playable in Mercenaries.

While his appearance is something, what makes me think of him as the main character in a way is his influence in the series. Even in games that have nothing to do with him such as Outbreak and Gun Survivor Wesker is at least mentioned once...or at least his doings. Also if you think about it...in a way RE is Wesker's story, thats my biggest thought. From the first game to the most recent 4, everything is a step in Wesker's plan or his general escapades. In 0 it was all about getting the Tyrant and using it against Umbrella (for his own purposes of course). From 2 to Veronica..all the events of each game are a backdrop to the real conclusion...Wesker obtaining what he wanted. Even in 4, perhaps more than any other game, the story seems to twist around Wesker's fingers. The cult and everything was used by Wesker (using Ada) so he could obtain what he wanted. The overall motion of the story now is what Wesker is up to.

I'm sorry if this is a bit wordy, but I was wondering if anyone else shared this sentiment?--Kiyosuki 01:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I share your sentiments, however in regards to him being a "pseudo main character", there's nothing pseudo about it.

 * The only thing I'm hesitant to add to the article, is Wesker's motivation. It's a observation I noted from Wesker's Reports, and from the non-canon novelizations. You see, I think Wesker is a bit paranoid when it comes to Ozwell E. Spencer. Wesker seems to question Spencer's motivations, reasonings, actions, and future plans.

 * Especially when it came down to Spencer's extravagant research costs. Spencer demanded a stand alone biological weapon that could exterminate an entire population, yet the costs of the research were so high, it made little business sense to Wesker. And yet research continued to find this stand alone biological weapon.

 * Wesker even questions why their labs are where they are? Most of their products were extremely adaptable to almost everything, and infected almost everything. The other founder, Edward Ashford, established a lab in the barren South Pole. To Wesker, it seemed Spencer was waiting for an outbreak to occur in the Arklay Mountains or in Raccoon City. Why would Spencer risk such a thing, when they have yet to develop the stand alone biological weapon he wants. Wesker keeps questioning why, why, and why.

 * Wesker's collection of Combat Data and Biological Samples (viruses, parasites, and antibodies) give him a lot of leverage, in which to satisfy his possible curiosity, rivalry, or conflict with Spencer. Who knows, perhaps it'll end in a no holds barred war between them, or he'll turn out to be the defender of the world against Spencer.

 * Though, I think the only part that should be included, is the Fact that he asks himself these questions.
 * Mark4011 01:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm.. A thought occurs to me. Where Umbrella has at the very least been woefully incompotent, negelgant, or whatever else you'd call it. (Namely how close to a population center they dropped a chemical weapons lab, and how poorly they prepared for what looked like a likely scenario) But Wesker has always been cool, calm, compotent and from the looks of things he's yet to fail due to a perosnal error. Frankly, i'd rather not let him be in charge of Umbrella, the Corporation, or anything else.. He'd be far too good at it. Bluegrime 07:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC) Bluegrime

Early life and career
This section needs badly rewritten - most of it is incorrect. Birkin and Wesker didn't work on the T-virus while Marcus worked on his - they only started working on the T virus at Arklay AFTER Marcus was killed and they stole his research, ie they continued it. Parjay 22:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Birkin and Wesker did work on the T-Virus... Rather pretty much all of Umbrella did. It's all because of the ambiguity of Spencer's dream virus. The thing Spencer wanted, was something that came from the Founder/Progenitor/Mother Virus that had the capability of eradicating populations. The T-Virus was just an unnamed goal at the time. Birkin and Wesker did work with Marcus. They did do work in trying to devlop the T-Virus with and without Marcus. It's like two individuals trying to invent a device that stores electrical energy. Though one was the first to create one and name it a battery, did not the other also work on creating the battery whether individually, cooperatively, or both?

 * But on the other hand, Marcus was the one to come up with splicing leech genes onto the virus in secret. He created and named the Tyrant-Virus, though one or more people kept trying to spy on his work. He was eventually killed by Birkin and Wesker and his research continued. (However Marcus' work seemed to stop researching on ways to surpass the T-Virus but rather focused on experiments on his evolving T-Virus Leeches. Not that Birkin and Wesker ever continued this particular line of research.)

 * Source: Resident Evil 4 (GCN) - Marcus' Diary 1
 * August 19th
 * "Spencer keeps asking me to be the director of his new training facility. Maybe it's because of the business, but he's becoming intolerably pushy. Maybe I can turn this to my advantage. I need a special facility to properly explore all the secrets of this virus. A place where no one will get in the way..."

 * Source: Resident Evil 0 (GCN) - Assistant Director's Diary
 * September 2nd
 * "A useless bunch of trainees, as always. Where does headquarters find these idiots? We did get a couple of decent ones though, so I guess I can`t complain. William and Albert. They might have a future."

 * September 25th
 * "Scholar Will. Practical Al. They really are opposites. And they`re always competitive in everything they do. There`s something ruthless and cruel about them both..."

 * October 7th
 * "Got a sudden call from the director. It was to tell me to encourage a rivalry between those two! It`s the first time since this training facility was built that director Marcus has ever shown interested in anything other than his research. Well, whatever. Orders are orders. I am going to have them tearing at each other`s throats."

 * Source: Resident Evil 4 (GCN) - Marcus' Diary 1
 * September 19th
 * "At last...I`ve discovered a way to build a new virus type with Progenitor as a base. Mixing it with leech DNA was the breakthrough I needed. I call this new virus T, for 'tyrant.'"

 * February 11th
 * "Today, I again found evidence of tampering around the entrance to the labs. If that`s what they`re after, I must find a suitable way to deal with them. Perhaps I should have William and Albert smoke out the pests... Those two are the only ones I trust. Apart from my beloved leeches, of course. But Spencer... it wouldn`t end there, would it? I will announce T at the next directors meeting and collect my just rewards..."

 * Source: Wesker's Report 2 (Bonus) - Story 1
 * July 31st, 1978
 * Wesker narrates his and Birkin's arrival at Arclay Laboratory, the main base for realizing Ozwell E. Spencer's dream of the "Human Biological Weapon" from the Founder Virus. The first virus would be known eventually as the T-Virus. (Remember this is an report/anecdote of Wesker's memories and is told in the past tense.) Already Wesker and Birkin had thought genes from the Ebola Virus could help, and discovered Ebola samples already awaiting them as well as a unique test subject.

 * Source: Resident Evil 4 (GCN) - Marcus' Flashback
 * 1988 (in flashback)
 * Marcus was assassinated in 1988 by Albert Wesker and William Birkin & the USF under orders from Ozwell E. Spencer. Wesker & Birkin tell the dying Marcus that they will continue his work. Though probably not before Spencer recives a copy to disseminate throughout Umbrella.
 * Mark4011 04:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Birkin and Wesker did work on the T-Virus... Rather pretty much all of Umbrella did.
 * No one said that they HADN'T; its the timeline of WHEN, in question. Originally, they worked on the "Mother Virus" (you can't say it was the T-virus as that wasn't even CREATED by then, sure they worked on a CONCEPT of creating a weapon, but they worked on the Mother Virus; the T-virus was CREATED by splicing the Mother Virus with Leech DNA:
 * At last...I`ve discovered a way to build a new virus type with Progenitor as a base. Mixing it with leech DNA was the breakthrough I needed. I call this new virus T, for 'tyrant.'

 * Most of your posted "evidence" from the game only supports what we already know: that Wesker and Birkin where TRAINED at Marcus' facility; this doesnt mean they worked on the virus there. Once Marcus died, they stole it and continued research on the T-VIRUS (note, they worked on the MOTHER VIRUS at Arklay until this happened) at Arklay.
 * Parjay 13:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I wasn't really promoting either of the two interpretations, I was just trying to express the two interpretations into words. Those sources I listed was not meant as evidence for me, but purely a matter of convenience to all.

 * I'd have to agree with you on all your points because thats what I said earlier, or at least meant to say and if thats the case I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I made it quite clear that the concept of the T-Virus was a "unnamed goal at the time" in my first paragraph. The whole point of that interpretation that was that they indeed worked on the "concept", which is what Wesker refers to as the T-Virus Project in the past tense in the future.

 * But I digress, this is purely a difference of defintions. I had no intentions on starting a debate on the actual T-Virus strain itself, nor do I wish to start one now. I merely felt I had to try to explain my reasoning behind my first interpretation.

 * You are right. Everone may have worked on the concept, but Birkin & Wesker only worked on the Strain after they stole it from Marcus.
 * Mark4011 14:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Trivia question
It states that the picture in Wesker’s stats screen “after succesfully using him in merc mode” is him back in the days when he worked with Birkin in the lab. I presume the editor is talking about the picture after completing a mercenary level where it displays your ranking and such, but I don’t see anything that suggests it was Wesker in his lab days, as he’s wearing the same outfit he is in Resident Evil 4, and I don’t see anything else suggesting that. Is there another picture I’m unaware of or should this be fixed? T.K.R. 10:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay... Why is my part about Wesker appearing as a zombie, in the Sega Saturn version of the original Resident Evil, need to be cited? There is a link there to prove it and two pictures of him as the zombie. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 23:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It needs to be cited to a reliable source, which Crunkgames and and random Geocities sites are not. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay. What about the two pictures I had provided? I mean, it took me forever to find them... and yes, they are on my on webpage account. Because I wanted to re-size them for others to view at a larger size. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 23:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Frankly? It's not a significant fact, considering that no reliable source has ever felt the need to comment on it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Surviving Villians
''Wesker is the only villain who managed to survive the Umbrella Corp. period of the Resident Evil series. (Another villain who potentially survived is Spencer but this scenario is not yet confirmed.) ''

What about Nicholai? Been a while since I played RE3, but close to the end I remember a scene where he was in a helicopter and you had a choice to either fight him or talk with him, and, IIRC, the 'talk with him' option ended with him living through the game. And in Survivor you can find files written by him after the incident. So I'm going to add him in with the remark about Spencer for now, unless someone says something otherwise. Ynos 18:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In the main ending/good ending for Nemesis he is either ripped in half by Nemesis or he is killed by you.If he escapes you got the bad ending.

"Undercover policeman"
Whereas previously he seemed to function as an undercover policeman, his role within the Resident Evil world now seems more akin to that of an experienced spy, or even super villain.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he a top researcher at the Arklay Mountain lab? Calling him an "undercover policeman" makes it sound like he was a mere grunt in the first game.--Foot Dragoon 01:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

True, get rid of it. --Jack of Blades 16:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

In other Media
I have added new information reguarding the speculations and information that other Resident Evil fans have provided on forums about Albert Wesker and his involvment in Resident Evil, etc. I feel that this section can be used as a way to express one's opinions and thoughts about Albert Wesker and what is in store for him. However, the only rule is to have some kind of reference to back up their claims or thoughts, online or offline. That is if they want to keep their post up, or present and write it in a manner that is feasible. :) - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 21:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is not a place for speculation or forum information. The only time something should be added is if there is distinct, clear, linkable cause to do so. "Thoughts", "opinions" and "claims" are unencyclopedic and do not belong on wikipedia. Ex-Nintendo Employee 22:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Then "In other Media" shouldn't be a section. Because whether it's rumor or not, or if it can be linked or not... It's still genuine media. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 22:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 * If you want to include it, please please put references that aren't fan musing. Statements like "Most fans speculate", "Many fans believe" and "fans believe" are not acceptable backings for your paragraphs. Fancruft speculates a lot of things, but that doesn't mean that every fan speculation is encyclopedic or should be placed here. An "In Other Media" has merit, but the fan speculation has to go. And, please, study Wikipedia's guidelines- if you can't link to it (or provide published reference), then it does not belong here. Ex-Nintendo Employee 22:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you are stating, but not everything can be linked back because sometimes the internet doesn't provide it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a reference to go with it. It just means it's offline, and besides. I am not the only one on here that edits and writes about information or speculations without a link to go with it. However, I'll do what I can to provide whatever I can for the "In other media" section. But for the most part, a lot of it can only be viewed offline. Such as the Resident Evil Archives book. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 22:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 * If you can't link to it, then just provide the book it comes from. If it's not linked or in a book, it doesn't go on Wikipedia. Please read this section here- Citing_sources, it provides the basis for Wikipedia's rules regarding content. Ex-Nintendo Employee 22:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I did. Most of it came from the Resident Evil Archives book, by Bradly Games, and there is no other way to view these facts or the content of the book. Because there isn't a source online that would provide it. However, I appreciate your help and advise. :) - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 22:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 * To add any information that comes from the aforementioned Archives book, cite it rather than stating "fans speculate" or "rumors say". A published source is a published source and is valid. Ex-Nintendo Employee 22:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, alright. I'll see what I can do to prove some of the contents that are in the Archives book. As for the other information, I know I have seen them on other sites. But my room mate was the one that found them. Anyways, give me some time to find them in order to prove these theories to be facts or apart of a decent media. :P *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 22:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You're dumping unverified and unverifiable fan speculation on this article, when what it needs very badly is to have the plot summary reduced drastically. Please don't just dump content from RE Archives or other books;instead, find third-party analysis or commentary in reliable sources (so, not the creators talking to the fans, but books or articles or similar written by people other than the creators) and use that to write this article. Right now, it's nothing but recapping bits and pieces of plot from the RE games, and that's unacceptable.- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, not all of them was fan speculations. There are two parts of it that happen to be true. One: The fact that Peter O'Meara will be playing the part of Albert Wesker in Extinction has been verified. (and writen by another user). Two: There are sources that state that Wesker will be in Resident Evil 5 and that he will not be the main antagious. For this resource that Wesker will be in 5, and the other parts, (except about the movie) I will leave out until I can find the reasources for them either online or offline. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 23:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Verified by whom? I removed a ton of unverified junk, not just yours. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

By "Gamehead" on Spike Tv. Which you can find the videos of the show on http//www.youtube.com. They were the first video game show that was on the set of Extinction. Plus, there is another site that has verified this. I can't think of it now, but I'll go get the site. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 23:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

What episode? Aired when? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

hehe... Here's the url for the video that comfirms that Albert Wesker will be in the next movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrGS-YefHOs So check it out. ;) - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 23:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC) (PS. As for who the actor is, I am working on it.)

I don't want to see it, I want to cite it. What episode of the show? When did it air? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Try typing in the YouTube search "Resident Evil Gamehead Part 2", and don't worry about citing. I have already did that for you. :) - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 23:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

A random Youtube video is not a reliable source. I want to cite this to a reliable source, so that someone who wants to verify this claim can do so in a source that is reliable (unlike a site where anyone can upload anything). If it can't be cited, it's not going in. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

lol.. You got to be kidding me? The director of the film himself, states that Wesker will be in the next Resident Evil movie, in the video of Gamehead. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 23:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Then, by all means, find out when the show aired, and use cite visual or cite interview to cite it. Or, you could tell me when it aired and/or what episode of Gamehead that is, and I can cite it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Dude, I have given you two solid links that proves that Wesker will be appearing in the next Resident Evil movie, and that Peter O'Meara will be playing the part. But you keep on insisting that it isn't a faction because they aren't feasible references by your own standards. I don't know why you don't think the video is evential enough to be proof, and the site that I had provided, which is a timeline of the actor's career, and what movies, TV. shows he's taken part in? You can look this up in any search engine, and it'll state the same thing. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 00:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

 * You may want to read WP:V, and do keep going past the title. - A Man In <b style="color:black;">Bl♟ck</b> (conspire | past ops) 00:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

 * These aren't just A Man In <b style="color:black;">Bl♟ck</b>'s standards, *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.*, they're Wikipedia's standards, guidelines which we all agreed to follow when we began to contribute to the site. If there are references to your items, it should be easy to reference it in the method requested- which episode? When did it air? I don't understand why you're having such difficulty in providing references. Ex-Nintendo Employee 00:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Please also bear in mind that Wikipedia has rules against reverting the article more than three times in 24 hours- I would seriously suggest that you try and discuss this instead of just reverting it, ShadowFox. Ex-Nintendo Employee 00:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

"You may want to read WP:V, and do keep going past the title." - A Man In Black

-.- What's with the insults? Did I lower my standards when I was speaking to you in my last entry? Because I see nothing of the sort. As for the information I had provided with the sites, and video... It seems that nothing I had for reference seems to be not good enough, and if these are the rules of Wikipedia, then this source isn't the best to turn to. Although, I am still continuing on my search to find anything else that could be used. (I am looking for the facts of the episode of Gamdhead, etc.) Anyways, thank you for your advise once again, Ex-Nintendo. - *.:.`ShadowFox` S.T.A.R.S..:.* 00:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Ada as a double agent in RE4?
As many times as I watch Ada's Report 5 the wording suggests that Wesker and Ada are both "The Organization" operatives as they have been since Wesker's second employment was established in CV, and even as far back as Resident Evil 2. Then Wesker had contacted another organization repeatedly the "Pharmaceutical Giant S." Then judging from Wesker's loyalty history either Ada or "The Organization" decided not to give him an actual sample.

Did I miss a point where Ada claims she worked for "S" initially? If not I think Ada's and Wesker's article needs to be corrected to suggest Wesker is at least working toward double (triple?) crossing "The Organization" rather than saying Ada is working for "The Organization" against Wesker's goal since the report introduces "S" rather than "The Organization."Wildodeelf 09:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Opening paragraph.
Am I the only one who finds the opening paragraph a little lengthy? Surely things could be a little more summed up than that, especially considering that it lists a few things that are further detailed in the article that follows. Huelenrite 5:28 07 September 2007.

Why didn't Waugh voice act Wesker in the Remake and The Umbrella Chronicles?
The title says it all. Is there any real information regarding the reasons as to why Waugh did not voice Wesker in the two games? I find it odd that he does Wesker in Code Veronica, then does not do it Remake, does it again in Zero and 4, but then again does not do it in the Umbrella Chronicles. I have heard rumours that Waugh did not voice act Wesker in the two games because of union issues, but I don't know if this is true or not. Regards, --Kurt Leyman (talk) 07:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I know why:He blew up.Jesus I don't know why and I know like no one else knows why.The rumours could be true or maybe he just quit or somefink. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.151.129 (talk) 23:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

 * According to an interview, the guys who localized Resident Evil decided to just use Voice Actor Unions and so had to get rid of him since he was non-union. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Red Queen
I noticed that this article refers to "Red Queen" as "the Red Queen." In the Umbrella Chronicles, Sergei calls the computer "Red Queen", so what is its real name? "Red Queen" or "the Red Queen"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavrickindigo (talk • contribs) 18:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC) "the" doesn't matter.It's just Red Queen.Don't get your panties all in a bunch.

In Revelations?
Has anyone else seen the trailer for the 3DS game Resident Evil: Revelations? In it, Jill Valentine and Chris Redfield seem to be at each others throats over an unidentified prisoner. Although there's no certainty, the prisoner has short blond hair and an incredibly superior attitude toward Jill and Chris. It seems like Wesker to me, and I think it's enough to warrant a mention on this page (with an 'unconfirmed' statement, of course). What do others think? Legionaireb (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Masachika Kawata, the game's producer, confirmed that Wesker perished in Resident Evil 5's finale.[2]

You blind or something?--74.131.90.203 (talk) 04:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Revelations takes place before Resident Evil 5. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Posssible reference?
Is it possible that Wesker was/is intended to be something of a pastiche of English rock singer Graham Bonnet? Given that Bonnet maintains a large following in Japan to this day, it could well be the case. Just a thought, anyhow. 121.223.165.18 (talk) 03:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

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Resident Evil 7
I have removed the information regarding Wesker's alleged performance in Resident Evil 7: Biohazard. While the sources given state that someone found data in the game suggesting there will be a character called 'Albert' in Resident Evil 7. There is no further conclusive evidence or official statement from CapCom given whether this will in fact be Albert Wesker.
 * One of the sources, TrendMedia is an article that has been almost entirely plagiarized from a small blog - Yibada. Again this article does not offer any official evidence.
 * LOD Tech does not even discuss how Wesker was allegedly discovered to be in Resident Evil 7. It mentions nothing about the data-mining nor the fact the leak only pointed to just a character named 'Albert'.
 * Two other sources, Playstation Lifestyle and EuroGamer, offers the same claims: A character named 'Albert',  assumed to be Wekser.
 * The actual data dump from NeoGAF Forums (which is apparently the source of the leak), even states that this is a character just named 'Albert', claiming "LastBossAlbert(NO RELATION TO WESKER, sounds like it's just his guns appear in the game". Almost every instance of 'Albert' in the dump is a reference to an item.

Unless there is something more concrete, Wesker's appearance in Resi 7 is speculation at this point. Three sources based on rumors and speculation do not classify as reliable sources. Rumors and speculative theories from un-reliable sources are considered original research. Wesker could in fact be in the game, but we would need something official and clear to validate this. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  06:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Release... what?
> Wesker returns in Resident Evil 5 conspiring with the pharmaceutical division of the TRICELL conglomerate as a means to create the "Uroboros virus", an enhanced virus derived from the Progenitor virus, with which he ultimately plans to release into the Earth's atmosphere.

> with which he ultimately plans to release into the Earth's atmosphere.

That needs to be corrected by someone, but I'm not sure I know what was intended. Release.... what? Francis2559 (talk) 01:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been tidied up for now, but the entire section really needs a re-write. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  13:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The section has been completely re-written to remove an in-universe tone and better comply with WP:WAF. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  15:13, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * StarScream1007 Just letting you know that your userpage needed update since Tyrant (Resident Evil) and became Mr. X (Resident Evil). Wish the character has development/concept and design info. If it has, I would definitely improve the article overall and willing to make it to GA. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 22:49, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll see what I can drum up for a development/design section. I'd agree it would be a welcome addition to this article. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  13:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , I've added Design/Concept section. It's a bit rough and may need another cope edit from another editor. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  20:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Impressive work, thou I guess working on it was really hard especially how notorious Albert Wesker is and theres a lot to expand   , I should have said to work on Merchant (Resident Evil) concept and design instead of this article (both are hard to find sources since they are old characters). Sorry about this. Because working on articles, the concept and design section is the most difficult when it comes to Resident Evil, thus me unable to  improve them. Anyway, I requested it already for copy edit  and ill attempt slowly to expand at receotion section after the GAN of Lady Dimitrescu. Meanwhile, I am also arent sure with the Ada Wong concept and design section since its a bit short.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 22:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added all the sources above that I listed, thou I have no idea how to implement this huge article on Polygon . It talks about the history of Nazi. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 04:09, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

GOCE copy edit notes
voorts (talk/contributions) 19:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I removed a few sentences that were tangential.
 * I left one clarify tag.
 * I found and fixed one improperly linked source in the references; double check that all of the cites are good.
 * Some of the sections appear to bleed into each other, particularly the portrayals and appearances sections, but I'm not quite sure how things should be reorganized or what should go in one section as opposed to the other.
 * Some of the ref names appear to be a little vague. Per WP:REFNAME: A common practice is to use the author-year or publisher-year for the reference name. This helps editors remember the name, by associating it with the information that is visible to the reader.

 * Thank you for the help! I also appreciate the note about REFNAME. I always thought it was for internal/editor use only. I also went ahead and addressed the point that needed clarification in the plot summary. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  20:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Reception problem
Hey StarScream1007. I believe we already have fixed most of the issues. But, one there's a problem with the reception section. On previous GAN, concerns like "Was there any reception of his appearances in particular games? What about his earlier appearances? Currently we have a bunch of "best of" type quotes and some comments about his death, but not much about his reception earlier" is not a good thing to hear when Wesker doesn't have that much reception and I couldn't find more sadly. Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 00:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 * D: It's getting harder and harder to find good sources. Here are some more I dug up.

 * Gamespot - RE4 DLC commentary on Voice acting: "its other cast, especially Albert Wesker, who seems to be carrying the weight of the franchise's theatrics in every airy line he delivers, and somehow it still works." - Not sure how to use this or if its relevant?

 *  StarScream1007  ►Talk  18:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Besides Eurogamer, I'm not quite sure how good are the other ones, but I guess we will give it a shot. This and Claire Redfield both have a flimsy reception section sadly.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 22:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * (Update) finished implementing the sources, thou there is still one problem "Is there no reception of anyone else's portrayal of him live action?" Ehh, I mean RE films are not blowing up and their awful so maybe we should ignore it? Anyway, wdyt, let me know if its ready for another GAN attempt?  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 01:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I found one viable review (from IGN) that specifically addresses Wesker. Everything else (that's currently available) blasts the films entirely or is a fan blog. I think we're close. It may be worth putting it up for GAN. I'll continue to run through PMC's notes to see if we missed anything. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  02:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've left a message on their talk page before sending this article to GAN again.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 02:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My free time is dwindling, fearing that I couldn't be active anymore starting at the 2nd week of April. So, sending this to GAN right away.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 03:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No prob. Sorry for the late reply. I should be around to help out. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  22:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Info on novelizations
The lede makes reference to Wesker appearing in novelizations, which are discussed in the "Other appearances" section. But that section brings up only the novelizations from the video games. I'm guessing Wesker also showed up in the novelizations of Extinction, Retribution, and The Final Chapter. Unless we alter that sentence to only mention the games, shouldn't the film novelizations be included in the list of references?

Sidenote; Wesker actually dies a pretty gruesome death in the novelization of the original game, which seems to be based on a non-canonical death he can experience in the original version of RE 1. Should that be discussed in the paragraph? I don't have access to the book, but someone could add the page numbers of his death scene. At the same time, unless a secondary sources deems it important enough to discuss it, I'm not 100% sure if we should bother mentioning it. Thoughts? PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Feel free to add it if you can find a source about it. 🍕  Boneless Pizza! 🍕 (🔔) 22:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I found the 2002 version on Google Books here: . There are free (pirated) versions of the book online too. His "death" scene in chapter 19 is slightly more gruesome, but also slightly ambiguous. It's left open, and he survives the ordeal and appears in the novelization of Code Veronica. Not sure if it's worth adding, but I'm not opposed to it. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  17:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and add it if you can. =) 🍕  Boneless Pizza! 🍕 (🔔) 17:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll try to see about the pages that should be cited. PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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Is "Marxist theory" restricted to figures in critical theory/philosophy or it does it include economists like Paul Sweezy or Oskar Lange? -- Hesychast

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Grey-breasted martin

The grey-breasted martin (Progne chalybea) is a large swallow from Central and South America.

Taxonomy
In 1760 the French zoologist Mathurin Jacques Brisson included a description of the grey-breasted martin in the second volume of his Ornithologie based on a specimen collected in Cayenne, French Guiana. He used the French name L'hirondelle de Cayenne and the Latin name Hirundo Cayanensis. Although Brisson coined Latin names, these do not conform to the binomial system and are not recognised by the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature. The grey-breasted martin was subsequently described by the French polymath, the Comte de Buffon, in 1779 and by the English ornithologist John Latham in 1783. Latham used the English name "Chalybeate swallow" but neither Buffon nor Latham introduced a scientific name.

The German naturalist Johann Friedrich Gmelin included the grey-breasted martin when he revised and expanded Carl Linnaeus's Systema Naturae in 1789. He placed it with the swallows in the genus Hirundo and coined the binomial name Hirundo chalybea. The specific epithet chalybea is Latin meaning "steely". The grey-breasted martin is now one of nine species placed in the genus Progne that was introduced in 1826 by the German zoologist Friedrich Boie.

The three subspecies and their distributions are:
 * P. c. chalybea (Gmelin, 1789) – nominate, breeds from Mexico through Central America south to central Brazil, and on Trinidad
 * P. c. warneri Phillips, A.R., 1986 – found in western Mexico
 * P. c. macrorhamphus Brooke, 1974 – breeds further south in South America to central Argentina

The southern subspecies migrates north as far as Venezuela during the southern hemisphere's winter, and the nominate form also undertakes local movements after the breeding season.

Description
The grey-breasted martins is 16 - 18 cm in length and weighs 33 - 50 g. It has a forked tail and relatively broad wings. The adult males is a glossy blue-black with the grey-brown throat, breast and sides contrasting with the white lower underparts. The female is duller than the male with a paler throat; the juvenile have dull brown upperparts.

Breeding
The grey-breasted martin nests in cavities in banks and buildings, or old woodpecker holes. Normally, two to four eggs are laid in the lined nest, and incubated for 15–16 days, with another 22 days to fledging.

Diet
Grey-breasted martins are gregarious birds that hunt for insects in flight. Their call is a gurgly chew-chew, similar to that of the closely related Caribbean martin. The latter species is slightly larger, and has more contrasting underparts.

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Forum Suarium

The Forum Suarium was the pork forum venalium of ancient Rome during the empire, mentioned first in two inscriptions dating c. AD 200. This market was near the barracks of the cohortes urbanae in the northern part of the Campus Martius, probably close to the present Via di Propaganda, and its administration was in the hands of the prefect or of one of his officers.

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3dmiX

3dmiX is a computer program for BeOS that displays each track of an audio as an object on the virtual 3D sound stage and allows the users to modify its panning and volume by dragging the object around. The program was previously named 3dsound and also Benoit's Mix after its creator, Benoit Schillings, now CTO at Google X. The program is often cited as an example of a cool application for BeOS.

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Talk:Government of New Hampshire

Under construction
Excuse the page for now, it's still under construction --Karmafist 06:25, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Governor shares power
I'm sure the editor is correct about being unusual for a governor to share power with the cabinet. However, in Florida, they do the same thing. This may imply that there are other states that do this. It would be of interest to know who they are. Student7 (talk) 20:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Cabinet? A "cabinet" is usually appointed by the governor, although the legislature may have to OK the choice. The Executive Council is rare, perhaps unique, in that it is a directly elected executive body, not an appointed one. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 00:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * David's right. Many governors appoint their own cabinet (Sec of State, Attorney General, etc.) with the legislature concurring. In Florida, these officers are elected directly by the voters, and in NH, the Executive Council (dating back to the 1600s) approves these appointments, and acts as a "check" on the governor. It is also true that this body isn't truly a "cabinet." It's a bit surprising that they aren't directly elected, but we value tradition here! It also appears to be true that NH is among the only US states with an Executive Council, although the WP article doesn't name the other ones. - Nhprman 19:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Improvements to the page
I'm editing this page, along the lines I discussed with Ken Gallager in the entry for New Hampshire (Discussion, Sec.48, "Law and government (Claremont lawsuits)"). The goal is to put it in a hierarchical order from the most permanent (state constitution) to the least, and to harmonize differences with the "Law and government" section of the New Hampshire entry. Ideally, there should be no duplication. Elected office-holders should probably be listed on this page only. I am too new to Wikipedia to know if the "Law and government" section of New Hampshire should be an overview of this entry or totally moved here. --24.60.78.79 (talk) 13:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There should still be an overview of law and government on the NH page, so there will probably be some duplication - though less than now.--Ken Gallager (talk) 18:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the tag that a user at 74.92.38.137 added ten days ago. I asked for discussion in Talk:New Hampshire but there has been none. I've tightened up and merged the first two paragraphs of the section on "Idiosyncracies" but remain convinced that New Hampshire's libertarianism, including the debate on broad-based taxation, is a defining phenomenon and that I have described it impartially. I'll do further work if anyone would like to make specific suggestions, or better yet, provide the desired citations. --Spike-from-NH (talk) 16:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Verifiability says that any material challenged or likely to be challenged should cite reliable sources for support. The libertarian tendencies of New Hampshire certainly fall into that category. -- Beland (talk) 23:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Financials
I just added a bunch of information about taxes and the budget. It would be interesting to add numbers for each of the taxes listed showing how much money they raise. -- Beland (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, your additions have taken something away. The story I was telling in this section was the nature of the political debate in the state.  One example is the perennial controversy over broad-based taxes, to which I noted that New Hampshire does have broad-based taxes, which I listed.  Your substitution, a complete list of NH taxes, now fails as a counterexample, as there is no significant movement in the state for there to be no taxes at all, and blurs the point about broad-based taxes.  In addition, the new start of the section refers to deleted text.

 * I accept your change to the title of the section, but will respectfully revert the text of this section. The complete list of taxes in New Hampshire is easily retrievable from the archive and may belong in this article, or the fact that New Hampshire has a gravel tax may be too trivial to be relevant.  I agree that the "libertarian" nature of the state's politics is an open question and will monitor this page for further discussion.  --Spike-from-NH (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the "Government" sections should describe the way NH does work. The "Politics of New Hampshire" article would get (not into campaigning) but things like libertarian proposed initiatives. I am not clear on where a budget would go here, but last years budget could be justified in "Government" I think. Controversies over broad-based taxation are definitely "Politics of New Hampshire" and should go there instead. Student7 (talk) 22:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

 * You can safely ignore or delete what is in Politics of New Hampshire right now. It belongs in Elections in New Hampshire or a related article. Student7 (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't know about getting down into "gravel tax" but that sort of thing can be perfect for this article OR Politics since it involved statutes. Spike's stuff is definitely Politics of New Hampshire material. One of the reasons you are arguing over it! If it truly belonged in Government, you wouldn't be arguing over it, you would be asleep! :) Just kidding, but "Government..." is or should be way less controversial than it is (for that reason). Student7 (talk) 23:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks to all for the conversation. I concur that Politics of New Hampshire is a preferable place for the broad-based taxation subject.  It might also hold the text on our lack of a (broad-based) seat-belt and motorcycle-helmet law, which may say more about our politics than it does about our statutes.  I'll gladly do the editing--but first, more discussion, please, on the assertion by User:Student7 that that article should go away entirely.

 * Now a separate issue with the additions by User:Beland: His table about the amount of money that comes out of each "fund" is very Inside-Baseball. The General Fund, for example, is a legislative creation and the amount taken from it tells you very little about anything.  Likewise, the right side of the table, on state expenditures by category, is arbitrary.  We know that "Education" includes UNH, its bus system, its broadcasting stations, and its community agitators, and is only a category so that legislators can scare one another about what the state would be without any "Education."  Beland himself proposed, and I think it would be more instructive, to obtain data on the amount of money that each state tax raises. --Spike-from-NH (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

 * If you want to break "Education" down into UNH vs. K-12, etc., that's fine with me, though the total spent on "Education", including support services does to me make a coherent and useful category. Certainly "Health and social services" and "Resource protection and development" are really vague and could use further breakdown, but these are the official budget categories; other categorization schemes would require the location of additional sources. -- Beland (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I've mentioned this conversation on Politics of New Hampshire, and that the material here on broad-based taxation, the state motto, and maybe the driver-safety laws, be moved there. I'll do the work but will wait until the weekend to see if any more comments emerge.  --Spike-from-NH (talk) 22:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just did the move and restored the list of taxes since I had a few spare minutes. -- Beland (talk)

Left to do
-- Beland (talk) 04:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Add numbers for each of the taxes listed showing how much money they raise.
 * Integrate this into the revenue side of the "budget" section to replace/complement confusing "Funds".
 * Break out overly broad categories like Education (K-12, UNH, etc.), "Health and social services" and "Resource protection and development"

Senator Gregg's resignation
Bonnie Newman is not Senator yet, don't replace Judd Gregg in federal officials until he resigns and she takes office. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.253.29.13 (talk) 05:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Indeed! as Senator Gregg did not go through with his resignation, cancelling his plans to become President Obama's Secretary of Commerce, reportedly over fears that the White House would supervise the management of the 2010 Census. Spike-from-NH (talk) 22:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Local government balance
What powers do counties and municipalities generally have? Which taxes do they generally levy? -- Beland (talk) 20:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

 * The article's "Local government" section is now lengthened to answer these questions. Spike-from-NH (talk) 22:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Spike. The key question here is whether the county government is self-supporting or not. Vermont, too, has "county" functions, but they are all supported by the state government, which is why the state can threaten their dissolution or merger at any time. No true political foundation for county government except maybe an elected (?) board. No power of taxation, for example. Student7 (talk) 22:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

 * In New Hampshire, county government is tax-supported, and is called out as a line item on the property-tax bill. But this does not mean it has a "true political foundation," as "Dillon's Rule" still applies; despite elected officials and even though two minor aspects mentioned in the state constitution, counties are a construct of the state. Spike-from-NH (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:Government of New Hampshire


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Hardinge

Hardinge is a surname. People with the surname include:

 * Viscount Hardinge, UK peerage, including:
 * Henry Hardinge, 1st Viscount Hardinge (1785–1856), British Army field marshal, Governor-General of India
 * Charles Hardinge, 2nd Viscount Hardinge (1822–1894), British politician
 * Baron Hardinge of Penshurst, UK peerage, including:
 * Charles Hardinge, 1st Baron Hardinge of Penshurst (1858–1944), British diplomat and statesman, Viceroy of India
 * Alexander Hardinge, 2nd Baron Hardinge of Penshurst (1894–1960), British Army officer and courtier
 * Sir Arthur Edward Hardinge (1828–1892), British Army general, Governor of Gibraltar
 * Sir Arthur Henry Hardinge (1859–1933), British diplomat
 * Frances Hardinge (born 1973), British author
 * George Hardinge (1743–1816), English judge and Member of Parliament
 * George Nicholas Hardinge (1781–1808), Royal Navy officer
 * Nicholas Hardinge (1699–1758), English civil servant, Member of Parliament, known also as a neo-Latin poet
 * Richard Hardinge (c.1593–1658), English parliamentarian and courtier
 * Sarah Ann Lillie Hardinge (1824-1913), Texas artist
 * Wally Hardinge (1886–1965), English cricketer
 * William Money Hardinge (1854–1916), English poet and author

title: Hardinge