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User talk:ClockworkSoul/Archive5

Thanks for the welcome
Your warm welcome and pointers are much appreciated. Sorry, didn't realize your talk page would wind up goofled, much less so soon... Have steered clear of NPOV citations lately, but would again appreciate point of view review for articles listed on user page. Thanks... Ombudsman 08:37, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I appriciate the welcome! I'm finding some of your tips and links quite useful.

Adm58 04:32, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

Rodney King uprising
First, the original article capitalizes "riots," making the term a proper noun when it is not. Like Russian constitutional crisis of 1993, the article, regardless of the choice of title, should not be capitalized. See Naming conventions (capitalization)... Second, the decision to capitalize the title, leaving the reader with the impression that this is a term that has entered the lexicon universially as a proper noun, coincides with the same POV implicit in the use of the term "riot." The Rodey King uprising was not regarded by many in community in South Central LA as a riot. Rep. Maxine Waters, e.g., was among those arguing that the reaction was not a riot but a rebellion. Neither term is appropriate for our purposes, but "uprising" finds a middle ground. 172 05:23, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Another title may suffice. It just cannot be "riot" or "rebellion," which endorse a POV. Also, the title should contain "Los Angeles," not just "LA." 172 05:30, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Barnstars on Wikipedia
I've added 3 attempts by myself. I'm not sure that the imprinted or raised surface is going to work out, as the image is too small to make it clear. --brian0918™ 15:58, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar of Diligence
Many thanks for your barnstar! I shall proudly display it on my user page. :-) --Deathphoenix 21:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * And the same goes for me, too - many thanks! Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 22:29, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cheers!
Thankyou for officially welcoming me as a new user. I appreciate you taking the time to say hi! AJB83 22:26, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Greetings
Oh, I wander around here and there. Been monitoring the barnstar page for awhile, and thought I'd get a bit involved. Good job on the guidelines! Tuf-Kat 23:02, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Hi. I just wanted to thank you for the Barnstar of Diligence. I'm honored! :) Sorry for taking so long to write this, but actually, yesterday I was editing two articles at once and I accidentally thanked Grutness for the Barnstar you gave me (I guess I must have forgotten to take my pill...).  But better late than never,so thanks! Regards, Redux 18:50, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming Doctor Mengele
Hi. I was sort of taken aback to see you welcome a newcomer with the username DocMengele, an allusion to "the most evil man in Auschwitz", in charge of medical experiments. Take a look at the user's contribs, too. Bishonen | Talk 19:45, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's what I assumed. Thanks for replying. Bishonen | Talk 08:52, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nobody is forging Elhim's name
I just didn't log in. Elhim 07:29, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for welcoming me, and adding those links to my User_talk:Dylan.Finneran page. I would also like to point you towards the only article that I have written, and ask you about it's point of veiw. More specifically, how neutral it is. I am aware that an article has to retain a neutral point of veiw, and I'm pretty sure that it does, I just have to ask because there is one part where I discuss that I made the page as a personal project, and wasn't sure if this was a "slanted" point of veiw. Dylan McKenzie-Tavish Finneran 08:16, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)   User_talk:Dylan.Finneran
 * Hi Dylan. I went to look at your article, Guajome Park Academy, and it looks like it has been tagged as being a possible copyright violation from the page http://www.guajome.net/FAQs/default.aspx. I know that sometime's it's very tempting to just copy something that seems to be worded so perfectly, but unfortunately that composition is owned by its author, and we're not allowed to use it (even if you change it around a little bit). Also, the part about the "personal project" that you put on the bottom isn't entirely appropriate for an entry in an encyclopedia. A good guideline is this: if you were writing a general report about Guajome Park Academy, which parts would might care about? Anything else you can just cut. I'm looking forward to your revisions, and I hope this helps! – ClockworkSoul 15:53, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

about editing notes.
I've gotten the welcome note some time ago and I've been actively participating on editing and creating articles. anyway, I was looking at various edits, and found various editing notes (eg. (+sp)) I couldn't find how to use those and variety of those. It would be nice if I can get that. thanks alot. WB 21:46, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Redirects from meta
I noticed that your user and talk pages on meta redirect here. I did the same and was informed that I should use a soft redirect instead. To fix them, go to http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:ClockworkSoul&redirect=no and http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:ClockworkSoul&redirect=no respectively. Thanks, Alphax τεχ 00:07, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congrats on getting Chemical warfare listed as a feature article! -- FP 01:25, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

l33t wiki skillz!!!
Its good to see Chemical warfare as a featured artice. Nice work on that one. Anilocra 09:11, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Napalm and Agent Orange in Vietnam
By what criteria is a chemical designed for warfare not a chemical weapon? And by what criteria is a chemical used substantially in warfare for the purposes of warfare not a 'true chemical weapon?' I think that you have censored the article according to a narrow bias -- one which seeks to censor or exclude material which is embarrasing to a particular point of view. It would an absolute abomination if such relevant material were not in the article. I wish to restore that text immediately. Jamex

Chomsky reference in Chemical Warfare
I have searched this article and find no mention of Chomsky or any reference to any material or even idea which is contained in this linked reference. Perhaps it refers to something which was dropped from the article? Rmhermen 23:06, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I never saw the second page. I added the fact to the reference although I wonder if we shouldn't link directly to the page rather than the front page. I notice the Chemical warfare in the interwar years section leads with "During this interwar period, chemical agents were occasionally used to subdue populations and suppress rebellion."; however, only one example of actual use during this period is included and rising opposition to their use which seems to be the main subject of the section is unmentioned in the lead paragraph. Are there other instances? Rmhermen 14:59, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * According to Chemical warfare "opposition to the use of gas and technical difficulties prevented the gas from being used in Mesopotamia" but according to The United Kingdom and weapons of mass destruction: "After the war, the Royal Air Force dropped mustard gas on Bolshevik troops in 1919, and Winston Churchill, secretary of state for war and air, suggested that the RAF use it in Iraq in 1920 during a major revolt there. In the event, the British Army used mustard gas shells in Iraq but the RAF dropped only conventional explosive bombs in punitive raids." Which is correct and did Britain in fact use them in Russia? Rmhermen 15:09, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Centered the table made the first paragraph visible for me using IE 6.0. I noticed other complaints on the talk page. You can only see a couple letters of each word to the left of the table as it is now. What problem does it cause for you? Rmhermen 17:05, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Typo in your user page?
....to music (especially Lo-Fi bands such as Neutral Milk Hotel other others of the Elephant Six Collective), to religion, to the sciences. --Golden Eternity 21:33, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

are there any pages about how to make a template? I can't seem to find one. thanks WB 23:20, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for people who made this e-encyclopedia.
This is for sure the second best thing on Internet, the first thing is communication :p To the people whoever made this, this is such a great work. And I'm very happy to see 9 out of 10 things I searched give me satisfactory answers. Some of them are actually really rare and odd. And I'm happy to see a lot of information is really up-dated. Thanks again.

Uli 02:42, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Got a question...
I saw the Mark Jacobs page was empty, I couldn't believe it. He is one of the very few American designers that American can be proud of. I want to make that page, but it's not gonna work if I just copy and paste from another website yeah?

I'm not an American citizen so please don't get mad at me about not knowing the Copyright law. Thanks.

--Uli 01:05, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Stub image
Hi. I removed several images from commonly used templates and highly frequented pages in response to requests by the developers to rapidly reduce the strain on the image server, which apparently was close to meltdown due to being overloaded. I am not too familiar with the logistics of the servers and, like you, thought that images were cached. I have not yet ascertained whether the problem has eased, but I know they were waiting on some new hardware to arrive which would be more capable of handling the image tasks. For more on the problem, there is a meta page about it. - Mark 14:58, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Republics
Need your help and/or advice. The British Wikipedian Republican Party sought fit to delete Wikinfo:Classical definition of republic from Wikipedia. There is a terrible brouhaha at Talk:Republic. They won't even allow an external link! SimonP really doesn't know what he is doing. They deleted the Classical definition of republic and created mixed government and politeia instead. The official title of mixed government is a Republic and the Romans translated "politiea" as Republic. And then to top it off the new article Classical republicanism doesn't refer to the Classical republics of Crete, Sparta, Solonic Athens, or Rome but to Machiavelli's ideology. How can that be when Venice in the 13th century instituted a mixed government and called herself a "Republic".

With Jwrosenwieg and Kim Bruning there was a tacit agreement a year ago to have republic be the modern meaning and a [Classical definition of republic] to describe the ancient republics of Hellas and Rome and their influence. To say the least the "Republic section" is all messed up. We need some clarification. I have new information but User:Snowspinner won't let me bring this back up for undelete. (I do grant that a little bit of the Classical definition is original but the rest is not.) I will not let Sparta be called anything but a republic! I will not let the British wikipedian modern republicans strip Sparta, (my heritage and roots) of her rightful name. She is a Classical republic and needs to be called such! At the least, where is the damage in having an external link?WHEELER 15:27, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello! Thanks for the welcome! Someone just vandalized my page and also some Asian's pages: History

- Ken Bogan 01:09, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, maybe cuz it's I'm black. - Ken Bogan 01:09, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for blocking him too. Ken Bogan 01:10, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Great work
Thanks for changing my blanking of the vandalism into welcomes; I was still thinking whether I should ask an admin to speedy them (without using the tag to avoid scaring more users). Your solution ended up being really good (but still, if there was a way to remove vandalism revisions without being too much work for the admins, it would be perfect).

cesarb 01:29, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Mr. Soul :)--Fotze 02:27, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hey ClockworkSoul. Thanks for the correction on my entry to the article on Lewisite. Not only did you catch an error, I learned something new!

Badhotra 06:14, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

P.S. To the post above this one, if you see that I editied your post, it is because I hit the wrong button and this post wound up in yours.

Wiki rocks
I just created a user account. I started to read some of your articles and realized that I have no idea where to begin in terms of contributing material.

Anyways, thanks for inviting me to join Wikipeida. Wikipedia ROCKS!

Badhotra 06:14, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Comment about New Articles
Actually, Ryan Coppelman, the person who posted above your message on my talk page, is the newby whose article I deleted because it seemed to be a random list of bands, which I thought was patent nonsense. I have been here for over a year. However I will certainly tell him about the show preview button. Academic Challenger 07:12, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Also, thanks for all the useful information on the talk page! WebLuis 15:33, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the greeting.

Scott Johnson 16:05, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

IP block WebLuis
Why has this user not been IP blocked for violating the three revert rule? De-Chomskidize 18:34, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * As you can see, Trey Stone has been evading his 24 hour block by using a "sockpuppet." He has a long history of doing this, which I found out upon going through his user contributions history earlier today. A similar account was User:Chomskoid... I don't see how it will be possible to reach a compromise with this editor if he can use sockpuppets every time he gets himself blocked and then continue to revert. So I was wondering that if blocks do not moderate his behavior, do you know what's the best alternative mechanism for dealing with editors like this? Thanks again and sorry for the hassle. WebLuis 02:52, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

People go through unnecessary blocks provoked by people with nothing better to do than to push their own blatant anti-American POVulation in this encyclopedia and call it "objective."

locked Wolfowitz page
Is locking the Wolfowitz page really the best thing to do? Yes, there were something like 5 or 6 acts of vandalism, but wouldn't IP blocks be a better way to deal with this than locking the article? --jacobolus (t) 22:19, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Revert
Sorry about the reverts to your edits which might not have any concern with the section in question. There were too many edits and i just reverted back to the last page which did not contain the section. My mistake. thanks for pointing it out. You can readd them. I am only against the inclusion of the extensive debate of evolution vs creation here as a long section. I think it has enough coverage in this and other articles. talk, kaal 21:03, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Invalid VFD Thanks
Hi ClockworkSoul, thanks for at least agreeing with me about the VFD vote :). I really don't think the image is only used for shock value, but I can't convince everyone! Cheers, T IMBO  ( T A L K )  06:52, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Don't know where else to ask this question...
Hello, Just thought I should point this out...

I got this error when I went to the page Jack O'Neill (Stargate) and clicked on the nanites link:

Warning: mysql_query: Unable to save result set in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.4/includes/Database.php on line 324 Error in numRows: MySQL server has gone away Backtrace: Database.php line 502 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace User.php line 463 calls databasemysql::numrows SkinTemplate.php line 254 calls user::getnewtalk OutputPage.php line 417 calls skinmonobook::outputpage OutputPage.php line 614 calls outputpage::output Database.php line 360 calls outputpage::databaseerror Database.php line 309 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror Parser.php line 3005 calls databasemysql::query Parser.php line 195 calls parser::replacelinkholders OutputPage.php line 230 calls parser::parse Article.php line 798 calls outputpage::addwikitext index.php line 127 calls article::view

However, if I try repeating the same steps, I don't get the same result. Instead, I end up on nanotechnology. Is this just an intermittent problem?

Also, another unrelated problem has to do with what the nanites link actually does. I don't think it should forward the user to the nanotechnology page, since one is fictional, and really should not be considered related to the science. I don't know how to remove this page forwarding. What do you think is the best way to deal with this?

Thanks for your help and advice! HappyCamper 15:05, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Hello again! I might try and fix up those nano pages when I get the chance - thanks for the tips. I'm trying to propose my first "page for deletion", but it's really complicated! I'm trying to delete the page pentominoes - I've followed all the instructions as well as I could, but I don't see the proposed page delete show up for March 26th. However, if you click on the link "Add new VfD section" it's there. If you have time, could you check if I've done it correctly? If not, that's okay too. Thanks for your help! HappyCamper 03:09, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Barnstarpages
You wrote here: "Heya Phil. I noticed that you merged Template:Barnstars and Template:Barnstarpages. That's very good, but the former template is getting very large, and the latter is quite small. The result is that is a page only wants to list around tha pages, and not the ever-increasing number of stars (such as the Barnstars on Wikipedia pages) is forced to host a bunch of extra baggage. I rolled back the Template:Barnstarpages, but that damn 'template for deletion' banner is still there: can we agree to remove it, because Template:Barnstarpages isn't hurting anybody? Cheers! – ClockworkSoul 15:19, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)" The problem as I saw it was that both templates were being used on the same pages, and therefore duplicating effort. I therefore merged the small one into the big one on the grounds that the latter was being used everywhere the former one was already and no information would therefore be lost. The current situation is that Template:Barnstarpages is only being used in one place which is not a supportable situation for a template. Unless there are several more places where it might be needed which do not need the full list, it should be substituted into that page and retired. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 16:33, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi. It was very nice to get your note. Thanks for the attention! I'm returning to the Barnstars forum now. In fact, I've missed all of you guys as well. Redux 01:08, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Hey wanted to let you know i'm up for Adminship if you want to go vote. Requests_for_adminship/Alkivar  ALKIVAR ™ 05:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Beer
Hi,

I thought it was a good idea. It should be a lot of fun to bring Wikipedia's coverage of beer up to the standard of a lot of its content. Thanks for joining the project, and I'm very glad to see that you seem to be an expert around here -- your help will definitely be needed! Anyway, just wanted to drop off a quick note, say thank you, &c., and I hope to see you around.

All the Best,

Daniel11 09:46, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: G4 article
Thanks. I kinda figured it wasn't really protected. Besides reporting them to the vandalism page, what else can I do to prevent the article from going back to "Piece of shit, plain and simple"? --Lbmixpro 13:42, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Cricket
Yup. I took that picture. the cricket in one hand, the camera in the other. The picture was taken during last winter holidays (around Christmas), in the Sahara Desert (Algeria). It was sligtly west and north of Tamanrasset. Just left of the Hoggar (hence, an altitude of possibly 300-600 m, no more). More pictures of the area here though I did not have time to upload and label all of them. No other from crikets I think.

Hmmmm, there had been rain three months sooner, so the plants had grown quite well, especially the tamaris. A wave of crickets had come after, and many of the tamaris were quite severaly damaged. Below the tamaris, one could see the cricket wastes. Most of the crickets had gone, but one could also see some bits of them left (legs, wings), and from time to time, we could see some alive. It was rather cold these days (not very cold, perhaps 20°C during the day, 5-10 during the night), so the crickets were not very active, and I was able to reach for some of them and take pictures.

What species could that be ? Well, I am not sure, but probably what we call le criquet pélerin (Schistocerca gregaria). I am really not a specialist. I kinda understood from the tuaregs that some were sometimes red such as those I saw. It might be that these are the young ones, which might explain why they were left behind. It might be.

Another day, I got this sauterelle on my shoulder : ( but my husband took the picture.

PS : I am glad you received so many of my thank you notes. I am sad though that these were enlarged and transformed in barnstars. I did it very small on purpose precisely because I was opposed to the barnstar system. I did not want it to be confused with a barnstar and only used as a small thank you note. Sigh.

The reason why I am opposed to the barnstar system is that because I think it is very insulting to those who do not have the chance to receive any. I wander on the user pages, and can measure the popularity of a person just by seeing the number of them. I think it in a certain way, antiwikilove. While the small picture could be so easily and quietly stick on a talk page, in a discussion.

Well...

Anthere 05:08, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Since you are the only one to have my little wikithanks as a barn star, I would greatly appreciate that you remove them, or decrease them to a normal size. They are ugly this way, and they break the initial spirit I wanted to give them. They are used in many pedias now, just as little things, not as awards. Thanking people is not an award. It is just thanking people. I feel that if they are kept this way, it will spread and my little thing will just be diverted just to become what I wanted to opppose. I feel great pain to see that. This is a bit stupid, but important to me.

Trey Stone is back
Hi. He doesn't seem to have become any more reasonable. Please keep an eye on him. Thanks. WebLuis 05:00, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Beer infoboxes
Wow... just wow. Those look absolutely terrific. I do have a few questions, but I guess I should ask them on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer page so that they're public and anyone interested can discuss them? I've got to run out now, but I'll come back, here or to the project's talk page, later tonight with some questions. Anyway, as I say, those look terrific.

All the Best

Daniel11 05:08, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, just as a quick update: I did respond over on the project's talk page, and as I wrote there I hope to add some more to my response tomorrow (let me know if you'd prefer if I cross-post stuff here, too). Have a good night—

 * --Daniel11 11:48, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Various topics
Thank you for your reply, and for showing me all of your uploaded pictures. every one of them are quite stunning (Amguid crater, wow!).jpg.
 * I did not go to Amguid myself... It was a 6 hours walk to do go there. My husband and another geologist stayed there on the night of the 24th... with a bottle of champaign and a box of fat liver. I stayed (with others) with the 8 kids, running in the 300 meters high dunes. Great great days. I loved it positively.

You and your husband obviously live a very active and interesting life!
 * interesting... not sure. Depends. Active... definitly. I have a full time job. Plus Wikipedia and co. Plus a family (2 kids) and am currently waiting a third. Had to increase my sleeping hours from 4 to 7-8 recently, and I find it real tough to do it all. Wait with impatience to being further in pregnancy as I know first trimester is very tiring (and I will basically stop working when in third...).

Thanks a lot for the wikithanks. It really relieve me you removed them from the user page. I know... one start... and the others follow... This is what scared me this morning...

Oh, there's one more thing I would to ask you: I've been considering joining the Mediation Committee, and I would like some advice from a veteran. Did you find it rewarding before you joined the board? What percentage of your WikiTime did you find spending on mediation? Many thanks. :)

ClockworkSoul 14:52, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmmmm, if I read your user page, I'd say "come in now !". Mediation was a very important topic to me. I mostly help in setting it up. I spent a lot of time on the board (which was later deleted) and writing some articles on meta (some were later moved, such as civility). I enjoyed exploring the issue a lot. Mediation was however very hard to me, took me a lot of time and I realised my poor abilities in english were a sort of barrier. Both because I could misunderstand and because it took me a lot of time. In particular, the issue with 168 was tough and long lasting (and a failure...). Well. I think most of january and february, I spent on mediation. At least, it is my memory. Now... even now... I find out that mediation is just something we practice all the time... the main difference is that it is often between people of different languages, so my weakness is no more a weakness. It is just being as everyone else. Also, it is done on a more "spontaneous" way. And yes, I still like doing this. I only fear I am too nervous a person myself to handle it very well :-) Good luck. Anthere

Beer
Thanks for the invite. I'll probably be doing things occasionally on brewing stuff related to Burton-upon-Trent, but my interests are really elsewhere. I'll keep an eye on what's going on, and may help out sometime. I find the beerbox a bit bright for my taste, but it looks like a good addition. Cheers! Noisy | Talk 00:24, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

VfD
Hey, I was wondering if you can take a peek at Votes_for_deletion/Tivo_Hacking, since it is almost becoming a legal debate. Thanks. Zscout370 21:24, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New Freedom Commission on Mental Health
Would you mind taking a look at New Freedom Commission on Mental Health from a NPOV-maintenance perspective? It seems to contain a lot of the material that was cut from Texas Medication Algorithm Project, which needed to be NPOV'ed. -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:53, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It is impressive to find a Wikipedian's adaption toward a consensus-driven mode, Antaeus, and your restraint this time around is admirable. Both articles were written as a starting point, obviously, and your modifications, rather than simple culling, are very much welcome. Ombudsman 07:33, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I've replied at User talk:Ombudsman. -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:22, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Help I don't get this -- I add an edit and it DISAPPEARS INSTANTLY. I'm not going to spend time putting stuff up if its going to vanish. I spent 30 minutes on the radiotherapy section once and it vanished ((poof)) after I savepaged it.

Anyone? Bueller?

-Jay

Digg.com Doesn't Deserve a Wikipedia Page?
I was just wondering why the "Digg" page was eventually deleted from Wikipedia. Why does something such as the "Slashdot Effect" deserve a page on Wikipedia, while "Digg" doesn't.

bwats2 03:18, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Dr. Andrew Wakefield
(revised)Clockwork: please help with questionable edis, by anonymous user 217.44.174.101, of Andrew Wakefield article. Ombudsman 21:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the terminology used to describe the mischief, your assistance would be appreciated. After three days, an explanation was finally presented.  "Jeff" took extraordinary liberties as an anonymous poster, and has been advised to acquire a user name and to avoid spinning the article.  There is no telling, but contrasting perspectives will hopefully yield a tempered, balanced result. Ombudsman 23:00, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC) (original 19:39, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC))

Flying Dog Brewery
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Flying Dog Brewery, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Thanks for the greeting!
Thanks for the greeting for the Beer project.. I'm looking forward to finding as much information about Canadian breweries as possible. Who doesn't love Strange Brew? There was supposedly a Strange Brew 2 movie a few years back.. but I guess not. Now if only there was a commemorative beer for Bob & Doug called "Strange Brew", a beer that's in a stubby and has an old fashioned label with them on it.. cooking back bacon and drinking beer! Thanks again. -Glamour Boy

Dr Wakefield (again)
Hi, Tick-Tock: I fear Wikipedia is in for a new manifestation of what probably once broke out over Aids and HIV. For some reason, MMR vaccine is a subject on which, in my opinion, a very small group of people have very big views. It could be that one day this encyclopedia becomes a fountainhead of urban myths and uncorroberated rumor, but I hope not. I suspect, though, in the short term, the vaccine thing will become something of a test of how one maintains some kind of balance. See Andrew Wakefield and discussion 217.44.174.81 17:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) Jeff

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User talk:Taxrelief

Welcome
--Slowking Man 22:37, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
A second welcome from me. Thanks for contributing but please be aware we must remove any contributions made from copyrighted content (Duke Energy). Regards, Lotsofissues 09:27, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: User talk:Taxrelief


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Agglomerate

Agglomerate (from the Latin agglomerare meaning "to form into a ball") is a coarse accumulation of large blocks of volcanic material that contains at least 75% bombs. Volcanic bombs differ from volcanic blocks in that their shape records fluidal surfaces: they may, for example, have ropy, cauliform, scoriaceous, folded, spindle, spatter, ribbon, ragged, or amoeboid shapes. Globular masses of lava may have been shot from the crater at a time when partly molten lava was exposed, and was frequently shattered by sudden outbursts of steam. These bombs were viscous at the moment of ejection and by rotation in the air acquired their shape. They are commonly 1 to 2 ft in diameter, but specimens as large as 12 ft have been observed. There is less variety in their composition at any one volcanic centre than in the case of the lithic blocks, and their composition indicates the type of magma being erupted.

Agglomerates are typically found near volcanic vents and within volcanic conduits, where they may be associated with pyroclastic or intrusive volcanic breccias. Older (pre-1970) publications, particularly in Scotland, referred to any coarse-grained volcaniclastic rock as 'agglomerate', which led to debris flow deposits, talus deposits and other types of breccia being mistaken for vents. Agglomerates are typically poorly sorted, may contain a fine ash or tuff matrix and vary from matrix to clast support. They may be monolithologic or heterolithic, and may contain some blocks of various igneous rocks. There are various differences between agglomerates and ordinary ash beds or tuffs. Agglomerates are coarser and less frequently well-bedded. Agglomerates can be non-welded or welded, such as coarse basaltic 'spatter'. They typically form proximally during Strombolian eruptions, and are common at strongly peralkaline volcanoes. Some large agglomerate deposits are deposited from pyroclastic density currents during explosive caldera-forming eruptions, such as at Santorini, Taal, and Campi Flegrei. They may be massive to crudely bedded, and can attain great thicknesses.

Crystalline masses of a different kind occur in some numbers in certain agglomerates. They consist of volcanic minerals very much the same as those formed in the lava, but exhibiting certain peculiarities which indicate that they have formed slowly under pressure at considerable depths. They bear a resemblance to plutonic igneous rocks, but are more correctly to be regarded as agglomerations of crystals formed within the liquid lava as it slowly rose towards the surface, and at a subsequent period cast out by violent steam explosions. The sanidinites of the Eifel belong to this group. At Vesuvius, Ascension, St Vincent and many other volcanoes, they form a considerable part of the coarser ash-beds. Their commonest minerals are olivine, anorthite, hornblende, augite, biotite and leucite.

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Wilfred Rhodes

Wilfred Rhodes (29 October 1877 – 8 July 1973) was an English professional cricketer who played 58 Test matches for England between 1899 and 1930. In Tests, Rhodes took 127 wickets and scored 2,325 runs, becoming the first Englishman to complete the double of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets in Test matches. He holds the world records both for the most appearances made in first-class cricket (1,110 matches), and for the most wickets taken (4,204). He completed the double of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets in an English cricket season a record 16 times. Rhodes played for Yorkshire and England into his fifties, and in his final Test in 1930 was, at 52 years and 165 days, the oldest player who has appeared in a Test match.

Beginning his career for Yorkshire in 1898 as a slow left arm bowler who was a useful batsman, Rhodes quickly established a reputation as one of the best slow bowlers in the world. However, by the First World War he had developed his batting skills to the extent that he was regarded as one of the leading batsmen in England and had established an effective opening partnership with Jack Hobbs. The improvement in Rhodes's batting was accompanied by a temporary decline in his bowling performances, but the loss of key Yorkshire bowlers after the war led to Rhodes resuming his role as a front-line bowler. He played throughout the 1920s as an all-rounder before retiring after the 1930 cricket season. His first appearance for England was in 1899 and he played regularly in Tests until 1921. Recalled to the team in the final Ashes Test of 1926 aged 48, Rhodes played a significant part in winning the match for England who thus regained the Ashes for the first time since 1912. He ended his Test career in the West Indies in April 1930.

As a bowler, Rhodes was noted for his great accuracy, variations in flight and, in his early days, sharp spin. Throughout his career he was particularly effective on wet, rain affected pitches where he could bowl sides out for very low scores. His batting was regarded as solid and dependable but unspectacular, and critics accused him of excessive caution at times. However, they considered him to be an astute cricket thinker. Following his retirement from playing cricket, he coached at Harrow School but was not a great success. His eyesight began to fail from around 1939 to the point where he was completely blind by 1952. He was given honorary membership of the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) in 1949 and remained a respected figure within the game until his death in 1973.

Beginnings
Rhodes was born in the village of Kirkheaton, just outside Huddersfield, in 1877. His family moved to a farm two miles away while he was very young. He went to school in nearby Hopton, and later to Spring Grove School in Huddersfield. His father, Alfred Rhodes, was captain of the Kirkheaton cricket team's Second XI and encouraged his son to play cricket, buying him equipment and having a pitch laid near their home for Wilfred to practice. By the time Rhodes left school, aged 16, he had joined Kirkheaton Cricket Club and started to take cricket seriously: he watched Yorkshire when they played close to his home and began to consider a career as a professional cricketer. Around 1893 he took a job working on the railway in the local town of Mirfield. By now playing regularly for Kirkheaton Second XI, Rhodes's keenness to reach one game on time led him to ring the off-duty bell before the end of the shift and as a result he lost his job. Subsequently, he worked on a local farm, which allowed him more time for cricket. By 1895 he achieved a place in the Kirkheaton first team, and was recommended to Gala Cricket Club, of Galashiels, Scotland, as a professional.

Professional club cricketer
Rhodes played for Gala Cricket Club in 1896 and 1897, as an all-rounder who opened the batting and bowled medium paced seamers. He took 92 wickets in his first season, and discovered that bowling an occasional slow ball brought him some success. He decided to change his bowling style to spin, and spent the winter of 1896–97 practising on the family farm while also working again on the railway, this time as a signalman. Over several months, Rhodes used his practice sessions to develop control of spin and different types of delivery. Consequently, in his second season at Galashiels, now bowling slow left-arm-off spin, he took fewer wickets but at a better average. At the end of the 1897 season, encouraged by a Scottish member of the MCC, he resigned from Gala to look for work in England.

Beginning as a bowler
In response to an advertisement, Rhodes applied to join the groundstaff of Warwickshire County Cricket Club, but the club were unable to offer him an engagement for financial reasons. At this time Yorkshire were looking for a slow left arm spinner to replace Bobby Peel, who had been sacked following a disciplinary lapse on the field in front of his captain Lord Hawke in August 1897. Rhodes successfully applied for a place in a Yorkshire Colts team to play against the County XI. However, as he later admitted, Rhodes had a poor match, while his rival for Peel's place in the side, Albert Cordingley, took nine wickets.

In early spring 1898, Rhodes was invited to the nets at Headingley, which led to him playing in some friendly matches (unofficial matches involving first-class teams). Rhodes went on to make his first-class debut for Yorkshire on 12 May 1898 against the MCC, taking six wickets in the match. In his second game, he made his County Championship debut on 16 May 1898 against Somerset, taking 13 wickets for 45 runs. In the 1898 season, according to Wisden Cricketers' Almanack Rhodes "sprang at once into fame, bowling in match after match for Yorkshire with astounding success." By the end of the season he had taken 154 wickets at an average of 14.60, and was named as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year for 1899. The citation stated: "There can be no doubt as to the greatness of his achievements last summer ... His qualities as a slow bowler struck everyone as being exceptional"; however, it was noted that bad weather in the first part of the summer created some difficult pitches for batting. As a batsman he scored three fifties, and Wisden rated him "a dangerous run-getter". By the end of the season, according to cricket writer Neville Cardus, Rhodes had proven himself to be the best left-arm spinner in England.

In 1899, Rhodes took 179 wickets at an average of 17.10 in a reasonably dry season; this weather meant that pitches were harder, easier to bat on, and less likely to suit his bowling. Wisden described him as "head and shoulders above his colleagues". He made his Test debut in the five-match series against Australia, playing in three of the five Tests; his first Test coincided with W. G. Grace's last. As well as Grace, his teammates included C. B. Fry, K. S. Ranjitsinhji, and George Hirst. Rhodes opened the English bowling and took four wickets for 58 in an Australian total of 252; his first Test wicket was Monty Noble (whose wicket he took again in the second innings). He was described by Wisden as bowling "steady and well" on the first day. Rhodes took three wickets in the second Test, but the selectors omitted him from the third match, a decision Wisden believed was mistaken. He did not play again until the final Test, and he finished with 13 wickets in the series, equal with J. T. Hearne as England's leading Test wicket-taker for the summer. Rhodes was also selected to represent the Players against the Gentlemen at Lord's for the first time that season, although W. G. Grace and C. B. Fry scored heavily against him.

Rhodes's most successful seasons in terms of wickets were the three seasons from 1900 to 1902. In these years, Rhodes took 725 wickets at an average of 14.07, taking five or more wickets in an innings 68 times and taking ten or more wickets in a match 21 times, assisting Yorkshire to three consecutive County Championships. In 1900, Rhodes took 261 wickets as bad weather made pitches helpful to his bowling. In 1901, the weather was much better, leading to pitches that were good for batting, but Rhodes took 251 wickets, an achievement described by Wisden as astonishing. Against MCC that year, Rhodes scored his maiden first-class century, batting at number nine. In the 1902 season, Rhodes took 213 wickets, fewer than 1901 despite a greater number of favourable pitches in a wet summer. This attracted unfavourable comment from some critics who had expected more.

The main cricket event of 1902 was the Australian tour of England. Rhodes played in all five Tests and was England's leading wicket-taker with 22 wickets at an average of 15.27. He took seven for 17 in the first innings of the first Test, out of an Australian total of 36, in conditions that the umpires considered reasonable for batting; Wisden noted that Rhodes and Hirst bowled very well. However, C. B. Fry believed that Hirst was more difficult to play and that while Rhodes bowled well, the Australian batsmen got themselves out as they "hurried to the other end and tried to hit Rhodes, without success". Rain meant the game was drawn and washed out most of the second match. In the third Test, which England lost, Rhodes took five for 63, including a spell of four wickets in nineteen balls. In the fourth Test, Rhodes took seven wickets in the match, taking three quick wickets in the first innings, but receiving some heavy punishment. He was batting at the end of the match, but was unable to prevent Australia from snatching victory to win by three runs and take the series. The final Test, at The Oval, was dominated by Gilbert Jessop and Hirst, but when England needed 263 to win in the final innings, Rhodes came in to bat after the ninth wicket fell with 15 needed for England to win. It has been claimed that Hirst said to Rhodes, "We'll get 'em in singles", but neither batsman could remember those words being said and not all the runs came in singles. The two Yorkshiremen were not dismissed, and England won by one wicket.

In 1903, Rhodes scored over 1,000 runs in the season for the first time, in the process completing his first double of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets. However, after bowling a large number of overs against Worcestershire early in the season, he had little success as a bowler for a spell of three weeks. Pelham Warner, a leading amateur cricketer and later captain of England, noted that Rhodes was comparatively unsuccessful at the start of the year but came back well to take 193 wickets. Warner wrote that Rhodes at this time was accused of being easy to face on a wicket which suited the batsmen, although Warner himself did not agree.

From all-rounder to specialist batsman
Warner toured prolifically with cricket teams and was chosen to captain the first MCC-sponsored tour of Australia in the winter of 1903–04. Warner was primarily responsible for the selection of players, and he selected Rhodes among his first choices for the team. Although K. S. Ranjitsinhji predicted that Rhodes "would not take a dozen wickets" on the tour, Warner believed that Rhodes and Hirst were the best two bowlers in England. In the event, Warner rated Rhodes the "mainstay of the team", and Wisden observed that he proved critics wrong, establishing himself as the most effective bowler on the tour. The Wisden summary of the tour pointed out that rain made an unusually high number of pitches, by Australian standards, helpful for Rhodes's style of bowling, but he bowled well on all types of pitches. On the whole tour, the Yorkshire bowler took 65 first-class wickets at an average of 16.23, including 31 wickets at an average of 15.74 in the Test matches.

England won the Test series 3–2 after winning the first, second and fourth games. In the first match Rhodes contributed 40 runs to a tenth wicket partnership of 130 with R. E. Foster, who scored 287, to assist the team in building a large lead. This was a Test record partnership for the tenth wicket, and remained so for 70 years; until 2014, it was a record for England's 10th wicket. When Victor Trumper led an Australian fightback, scoring 185 not out, only Rhodes could slow his scoring in conditions which, according to Warner, were very good for batting. Steady bowling through the innings brought Rhodes figures of five for 94; Warner wrote: "what we should have done without Rhodes I do not know".

In the second Test, badly affected by the weather, Rhodes had a match analysis of 15 wickets for 124 runs, the best bowling analysis recorded in a match between England and Australia until 1934 and the equal highest number of wickets taken in a match by a single player at that time (although other players had given away fewer runs). Rain made the pitch very difficult to bat on, but Wisden praised Rhodes and observed that eight catches were dropped from his bowling. His eight for 68 in the second innings remained his best figures in Tests. Australia won the third Test, but the decisive fourth Test was won by England and Rhodes contributed with bat and ball. In the first innings, while the crowd chanted in an attempt to distract him, he took four for 33 as the last five Australian wickets fell for 17 runs in favourable batting conditions. Later, Rhodes added 55 for the tenth wicket in the second innings with his captain. However, he was less effective as England lost the final Test.

Rhodes believed that the 1903–04 tour was a turning point in his career as a bowler and that afterwards he was never the same. Part of the reason was a change in his bowling style. He had noticed that it was necessary for him to bowl faster in Australia to be effective, and on his return to England he continued with this faster style until the First World War. Rhodes thought that another reason for his relative bowling decline was the development of his batting which took up much of his time. His biographer, Sidney Rogerson, speculates that further deterioration may have been caused by the strain of regular bowling on his fingers and wrist, and his more robust, muscular frame in his mid-twenties. Rogerson believes that Rhodes was affected by the break-up of the successful Yorkshire team which had peaked between 1900 and 1902. More batting responsibility was placed on his shoulders, and he received less support in the field as the team personnel changed. Consequently, Rhodes scored more runs and moved further up the batting order after 1903, but his bowling gradually declined until the war.

In 1904, Rhodes took 131 wickets, the fewest in a season of his career to date. He scored 1,537 runs, including two hundreds (the second and third of his career) to complete his second double. He generally batted at number six or seven in the batting order, but in two games he opened the batting. In 1905, Yorkshire won the Championship; Rhodes again completed the double, with 1,581 runs, his two hundreds including a double hundred. He took 182 wickets, but Wisden judged that he was not as dangerous a bowler on slow wickets as he had been. Rhodes played in four of the five Tests against Australia that year. He scored 29 and 39 not out in the first Test, but in the second, suffered an injured finger which reduced his effectiveness and caused him to miss the next Test. In the fourth Test, Rhodes took five wickets in the match, including three for 36 in the second innings. However, the England captain, Stanley Jackson, showed, in the words of Wisden, "a curious want of faith in Rhodes", even though he was bowling well. His fielding was singled out for praise as he took four catches, two of them regarded as brilliant. England eventually won the series 2–0; Rhodes contributed 146 runs, at an average of 48.66 and a top score of 39 not out, and ten wickets at an average of 31.40.

The relative deterioration in Rhodes's bowling continued into the 1906 season when Wisden commented that he had lost his sharp spin and was not dangerous on a hard wicket. Rhodes scored 1,721 runs, now regularly opening the batting, and completed another double with 128 wickets, but the Wisden correspondent did not believe this compensated for his lost bowling. In 1907, Rhodes scored fewer runs and increased his bowling aggregate, securing 173 wickets in a wet season. Wisden believed his greater bowling success was due to a reduced batting contribution, but he still completed the double by scoring 1,045 runs. During that season, Rhodes was again asked to open the batting for Yorkshire and he was chosen as the permanent replacement for John Tunnicliffe as Yorkshire's opening batsman. Several batsmen had been tried in the position, but Rhodes's superior defensive technique with the bat secured him the role. Despite the increase in wickets, Rhodes was not picked for any of the Tests that year against South Africa, Colin Blythe being preferred.

Rhodes and Blythe both went to Australia the following winter (1907–08) with MCC, but Rhodes was now regarded primarily as a batsman and only a "change" bowler who would be the third or fourth used. In the five Test series, lost 4–1 by England, Rhodes scored 205 runs at an average of 20.50, including his first Test fifty in the fourth innings of the last Test. He took four for 102 in Australia's second innings of that Test, and finished the Test series with seven wickets at an average of 60.14. In all first-class matches on the tour, Rhodes scored 929 runs at an average of 48.89 and took 31 wickets at an average of 34.48. He followed this with another double in 1908 of 1,660 runs and 106 wickets as Yorkshire won the County Championship.

In 1909, Rhodes scored 2,094 runs at an average of 40.26, which was to remain his second highest run aggregate and average for an English cricket season, and took 141 wickets. Sidney Rogerson believed that this season marked the completion of his transformation into a batsman. This view was supported by Wisden, which judged that he had "now become such an exceptionally good batsman that the regret one used to feel at his ever giving his mind to run getting has lost its force." He played in four of the five Tests against Australia in 1909; his omission from the second Test was later described as an error of judgement by the editor of Wisden, one of many selectorial blunders as England lost the series two games to one. Rhodes scored 168 runs at an average of 33.60, and took 11 wickets at an average of 22.00. In the first Test, he had a quiet time, scoring an unbeaten 15, batting at number eight, and bowling only one over. Recalled for the third Test, Rhodes bowled a spell in which four wickets were captured for seven runs, before being hit for four fours in one over by Trumper. His first innings figures were four for 38 and he took another two wickets for 44 runs in the second innings. In the fourth Test, Wisden believed that Rhodes alone bowled well on the second day, taking five for 83. Although moved up the order to bat at number five, he scored just five runs in the match. In the final Test, he batted at number three and scored two fifties, 66 and 54, adding 104 in the first innings with C. B. Fry and another 61 to save the game with the same batsman in the second.

Opening batsman
In the 1909–10 English winter, MCC toured South Africa with a team below full Test strength. Rhodes opened the batting throughout the tour, partnering Jack Hobbs for the first time. However, Wisden stated that only Hobbs would have been sure of his batting place in a full strength England team, and that both Rhodes and David Denton, the next best batsmen, were a long way behind Hobbs. In all first-class matches, Rhodes scored 499 runs at an average of 26.26, with three fifties, and took 21 wickets at 25.47. In the Test series, which South Africa won 3–2, Rhodes took only two wickets in the five games. As a batsman, however, he shared some large partnerships with Hobbs. England lost the first two Tests, although in the first Rhodes and Hobbs put on 159 for the first wicket, of which Rhodes made 66. In the second Test the pair put on 94 in the first innings and 48 in the second, Rhodes made little impact on the third and fourth Tests; in the final Test, an England victory, he and Hobbs scored 221 together, Rhodes making what was then his highest Test score of 77. Wisden stated that while overshadowed by the brilliance of Hobbs, Rhodes in this innings batted without mistakes. In the five Tests Rhodes scored 226 runs, averaging 25.11. During the tour Rhodes and Hobbs developed mutual trust while batting together, to the point where they could score runs without having to call to each other. This degree of understanding was unusual at the time. After the Test series ended, several amateur members of the team wanted to extend the tour into Rhodesia, but the professionals refused to take part as their contracts did not cover this and they would have effectively played for no wages. Rhodes, although not the ring-leader, was influential in this strike, and a sports newspaper, Winning Post, singled him out as responsible in an article highly critical of him and the other professionals.

In the 1910 domestic season Rhodes was less productive in batting and bowling, and Yorkshire finished only eighth in the County Championship, a result considered very poor within the county. Rhodes scored 1,465 runs at an average of 26.63, and took 88 wickets at an average of 18.98, the first time since the start of his career that he had taken less than 100 wickets in an English season. In 1911, when Yorkshire finished seventh in the County Championship, it was a fine, dry summer, which meant generally good batting wickets. Rhodes was more productive with 2,261 runs, the second and final time that he passed 2,000 runs in an English summer, and the highest season's total of his career. He averaged 38.32 with the bat, and took 117 wickets. Rhodes was given a benefit match against Lancashire from which he received £750. After Yorkshire launched an appeal, the total was boosted to £2,200, still considerably less than the record benefit total of £3,703 raised for George Hirst in 1904.

Batting success in Australia
In September 1911 Rhodes made his third visit to Australia, this time as the opening partner of Jack Hobbs. The tour proved to be the "absolute pinnacle of his success as a batsman", according to Rogerson. Under the captaincy of Johnny Douglas, England won the 1911–12 Test series against Australia 4–1, after losing the first Test. While the success of the tourists was attributed to their powerful bowling attack, C. B. Fry described the English victories as "a succession of triumphs for Jack Hobbs and Rhodes as first wicket batsmen." Pelham Warner, who was nominally captain but missed the entire series due to illness, said that in "innings after innings they [Hobbs and Rhodes] gave us a wonderful start", adding that he had run out of words to praise their contributions.

In the first Test, the only one of the series in which he did not open, Rhodes made 41 and 0 in England's defeat. In the second match, opening with Hobbs, Rhodes scored 61 in the first innings, passing 1,000 Test career runs in the process. Wisden recorded that apart from Rhodes and J. W. Hearne, with whom he shared a century partnership, the batting was very disappointing. In the second innings, Rhodes added 57 for the first wicket with Hobbs, helping England to an eight-wicket victory. In the next Test Rhodes scored 59 out of an opening partnership of 147 with Hobbs, and 57 not out as England won again, this time by seven wickets. In the fourth Test, which England won overwhelmingly to take the series, Rhodes scored 179 as he and Hobbs scored 323 for the first wicket. At the time, this was a Test record partnership for any wicket. As of 2015, it remains England's highest first wicket partnership against Australia. This was Rhodes's first Test century, and remained his highest Test score. Wisden commented that his seven-hour innings was "a remarkable display of careful batting." In the final Test victory Rhodes put on 76 with Hobbs in the second innings, to finish the series with 463 runs at an average of 57.87, the best series average of his career. On the tour as a whole, he scored 1,098 runs at an average of 54.90, but he did not take a single first-class wicket; in the Tests he only bowled 18 overs.

Triangular tournament
On their return home for the 1912 season England, captained by C. B. Fry, were involved in the first-ever triangular Test tournament, consisting of matches between England, Australia and South Africa. This experiment was severely affected by wet weather, the weakness of the South African side, and a dispute among the Australian side which resulted in substandard team being sent. Rhodes played as Hobbs' opening partner in each of England's six matches and once again won praise from Wisden. In England's first match, a victory against South Africa, Rhodes scored 36, his steady defence being described as invaluable. In the following drawn game against Australia, Hobbs and Rhodes scored 112 for the first wicket. Rhodes scored 59, his first 52 runs being scored out of a total of 77 before he slowed down; Wisden reported that the later part of his innings was "as cautious as the first part was brilliant". Later in the match Rhodes bowled and took three wickets for 59, his only bowling success of the tournament.

After a quiet second match against South Africa, Rhodes scored 92 out of a total of 203 in a rain-ruined game against Australia. The difficult batting conditions were such that Fry described Rhodes as "digging his runs out of the slush." Rhodes had another poor match against South Africa, but in the final match against Australia, which would decide the winner of the tournament, Rhodes scored 49 in an opening stand of 107 with Hobbs in the first innings, considered a great achievement in testing batting conditions. England went on to win in the match and hence the tournament. Rhodes had scored 204 runs at an average of 51.00 against Australia, but only 53 runs at an average of 13.25 against the South Africans. In all first-class matches that summer, Rhodes scored 1,576 runs (averaging 30.90), and took 53 wickets (average 21.98), his lowest total of wickets in an English season, and only the second time since 1903 that he had not completed the double.

Last pre-war seasons
Rhodes again failed to complete the double in 1913, scoring 1,963 runs (average 32.71) and taking 86 wickets (average 21.88). In the 1913–14 English winter, Rhodes went to South Africa with the MCC under the captaincy of Douglas. A strong England side won the five-match series 4–0 against weak opposition. Rhodes scored 731 runs in first-class matches, averaging 34.80, and took 31 wickets at 21.35, which led Wisden to comment on his value as an all-rounder. In the second Test Rhodes took one wicket, his 100th in Test matches, and completed the double of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets in Tests; the first England player to do so, he was only the third player to reach the double after Australians George Giffen and Monty Noble. In the same match, Rhodes made his second and final Test century, scoring 152 and adding 141 for the first wicket with Albert Relf. He batted for more than five hours, and Wisden said that he "was too cautious to please the crowd, but his steadiness was invaluable to his side." His batting was overshadowed, as Sydney Barnes took 17 wickets in the match. Rhodes resumed his opening partnership with Hobbs in the third Test, sharing a stand of 100, followed by opening partnerships of 92 and 133 in the fourth Test, the only drawn match of the series. In this match Rhodes took three wickets for 33 in the first South African innings. In all Tests on the tour Rhodes scored 289 runs at an average of 41.28 and took six wickets (average 32.50).

In the final season before the First World War, Rhodes scored 1,377 runs. Yorkshire used him more often as a bowler and his tally of wickets consequently increased to 118, enabling him to complete another double. Following the outbreak of war in August 1914, first-class cricket came to an end for four years. While many cricketers joined the army Rhodes, like George Hirst and Schofield Haigh, went to work in a munitions factory in Huddersfield. He and Hirst were paid by Yorkshire to be available to play in war-time cricket matches on a certain number of Saturdays.

Leading bowler again
When cricket resumed after the war in 1919, no-one was sure how popular county cricket would be and so the County Championship matches were reduced to two days instead of three. However, critics and players judged the experiment a failure, owing to the long hours of play and frequent travelling which arose from playing up to three games a week; Rhodes and other players were also dissatisfied by wages offered. Yorkshire won the championship with a much-changed side from that which had played in 1914. The bowling attack was weaker: Hirst's age lessened his effectiveness with the ball, Major Booth was killed in the war, and Alonzo Drake died from illness in January 1919. Consequently, Rhodes decided to make up the shortfall by resuming full-time bowling. With increased practice, he took more wickets and regained his confidence. Although unable to spin or flight the ball as well as previously, Rhodes bowled a very accurate length and used his great experience effectively. The success of Percy Holmes and Herbert Sutcliffe as opening batsmen meant that, although Rhodes began the season opening the batting, he was able to move down the order and bat at number four. He scored 1,237 runs, and by taking 164 wickets at an average of 14.42, finished top of the national first-class bowling averages. Around this time, Rhodes was approached by Haslingden Cricket Club from the Lancashire League, to play cricket for them as a professional. Rhodes, primarily through unhappiness with the 1919 playing conditions, seriously considered the offer before he declined. Some of his concerns were addressed before the following season, when matches returned to three days and wages were increased. In the following season, Rhodes scored 1,123 runs, took 161 wickets at an average of 13.18, and was chosen to go to Australia with the 1920–21 MCC touring team.

Australian tour, 1920–21
As English cricket had not fully recovered from the effects of the war, the team which toured Australia was weak in bowling. Confronted by a far better Australian side than anyone had expected, England lost all five Test matches, an unprecedented result that Wisden regarded as a "disaster". Rhodes now played for Yorkshire as a middle-order batsman and front-line bowler but England's captain Douglas showed uncertainty whether to use Rhodes in this capacity, or to revert to his pre-war role as Hobbs's opening partner. Until the first Test Rhodes batted mainly down the order; after this he returned to opening the batting. On the tour Rhodes scored two centuries, one a double-century, totalling in all 730 runs in all first-class matches at an average of 38.42. Although a leading bowler in England in 1919 and 1920, Rhodes bowled infrequently and with limited success. After taking six for 39 against Victoria in helpful conditions, he rarely bowled, and took only 18 first-class wickets (averaging 26.61) on the tour.

In the Tests, Rhodes scored 238 runs at an average of 23.80, with a highest score of 73 in the fourth Test. In the first Test, a score of 45 took him past 2,000 Test runs. As a bowler, Rhodes took four Test wickets in the series at an average of 61.25; his best figures were three for 61 in the third Test. Rhodes later said that Douglas was reluctant to use him, believing his bowling would be ineffective on Australian pitches. Wisden commented: "It must be said, however, that in a summer of continuous sunshine – remarkable even for Australia – the bowlers received no help." Nevertheless, much of Rhodes's tour, according to A. A. Thomson, "may be fairly regarded as failure." Tour manager and Yorkshire secretary Frederick Toone, with whom Rhodes had already had a disagreement during the 1920 season, apparently said that "Wilfred's finished", a remark later reported to Rhodes.

Senior professional
The 1921 season was a turning point for Rhodes for several reasons. His regular England career ended during the visit of the Australians. The tourists, as Wisden reported, overwhelmed England, exposing many weaknesses in the team, and reduced the English selectors to "catch[ing] at straws". 30 players were used in the five-match Test series, which England lost by three matches to none. Rhodes played in the first Test, scored 19 and 10 and took two wickets in a heavy defeat. Although his performance was no worse than that of others, he was dropped from the team for the rest of the series and did not play another Test for five years. At the time, it was suggested his place was lost because he was uncomfortable against the fast bowling of Jack Gregory and Ted McDonald, who devastated and demoralised many English batsmen during the season. As a result of these problems with pace bowling Rhodes altered his batting stance to use the "two-eyed stance"; instead of using the traditional technique of standing at right angles to the bowler, the batsman turned his body towards the bowler. Critics complained that this method was ugly; it restricted the shots that could be made, and led to some batsmen using their pads as an extra form of defence to stop the ball hitting the wicket. According to his Wisden obituary, Rhodes was one of the first men to adopt this batting stance. Rhodes faced a further development following the retirements of Hirst and Denton from Yorkshire; he became the county's senior professional. This position offered no official powers or responsibilities but was nevertheless significant as senior professionals influenced tactics, strategy and morale. Rhodes held this post until his retirement.

In all first-class cricket in 1921, Rhodes scored 1,474 runs at an average of 39.83. This included his highest first-class score of 267 not out against Leicestershire, struck on the day England began the second Test, having just dropped Rhodes. Rhodes took 141 wickets in the season, at an average of 13.27. In the autumn, he travelled to India, coaching and playing for the Maharaja of Patiala's private team; Rhodes repeated this trip every year until 1927, sometimes accompanied by other players. On five occasions in India he completed a 1,000 runs and 100 wickets double, although most of these games were not first-class.

In each of the four seasons from 1922 to 1925, Yorkshire won the County Championship. Rhodes scored over 1,000 runs each year, averaging over 30 except in 1924; in 1925 his average was 40.91, only the second time it exceeded 40 in an English cricket season. Rhodes, by now part of a very powerful county bowling attack, was usually the fourth or fifth bowler used. Although he imparted less spin to the ball than in his younger days, he continually bowled a good length and placed fielders in positions which very effectively blocked the scoring opportunities of the batsmen. He took over 100 wickets in 1922, 1923 and 1924, but took only 57 in 1925, a very good year for batting. As Yorkshire's senior professional Rhodes was very influential in this period. He cultivated a hostile attitude among the bowlers, directed the team tactically and raised its standard of fielding. Alan Hill wrote that Yorkshire captains (who were usually poor cricketers) generally deferred to Rhodes as senior professional; for example, Arthur Lupton, captain from 1925 to 1927, "very wisely left the cricket affairs to the joint supervision of Rhodes and Emmott Robinson." Stories emerged that he was an "overmighty subject", arranging the positions of fielders and changing the bowler without reference to his nominal captain. In one story, Yorkshire had scored around 400. Lupton, hoping to score some easy runs, came out of the amateur dressing room with his bat when a young professional touched his arm and said, "It's all right, sir. Mr Rhodes has declared [the innings over]." However, all the captains to whom biographer Sidney Rogerson spoke mentioned their good relations with Rhodes, although they agreed that he could be difficult. Beverley Lyon, who captained Gloucestershire between 1929 and 1934, criticised Rhodes for insisting young professionals take the game seriously, thus promoting a no-risk attitude.

Recalled for the Oval
Reviewing the 1925 season, Wisden commented on Rhodes's age and reduced performance. "In the nature of things, Rhodes, approaching the completion of his 48th year, could not be expected to prove very deadly in a dry summer ... If less effective in bowling, he did fine work with the bat". However, in 1926, Wisden reported that, despite his age and in contrast to the other bowlers in the team, Rhodes "came out in wonderful form ... [His] triumph delighted everybody ... He not only accomplished skilful work in bowling but made his thousand runs [in county matches] with an average of 40." Rhodes doubled his wicket tally from 1925, taking 115 at an average of 14.86. In all first-class matches he scored 1,132 runs (average 34.30), the final time he passed 1,000 runs in a season, and completed his 16th and final double.

In 1926 the Australians toured England for the first time since 1921. The English selectors decided to add two professional cricketers to their committee, choosing Rhodes and Jack Hobbs. With Rhodes in such good form and leading the bowling averages, the selectors tried to convince him to play for England on several occasions through the season but he refused on the grounds that younger men should be chosen. The first four Tests were all drawn; the selectors were conscious, as England entered the final Test, the team had won only one of its previous 19 matches against Australia. The deciding game, at the Oval, was to be played to a finish no matter how long it took. The selectors dropped the captain, Arthur Carr, and replaced him with the inexperienced Percy Chapman. They also recalled Rhodes, aged nearly 49, having finally overcome his objections. According to Wisden, the selection of Rhodes "naturally occasioned a good deal of surprise".

England batted first, but made a disappointing total of 280; Rhodes, batting at number seven, scored 28. In the Australian innings of 302 Rhodes bowled 25 overs and took two wickets for 35, helped by a worn area on the pitch which helped him to spin the ball. He later described feeling nervous when first bowling, but said that he was heartened by the warm welcome he received from the crowd. After the start of England's second innings an overnight thunderstorm soaked the pitch, leaving it very difficult to bat on next day. However, Hobbs and Sutcliffe put on 172 runs for the first wicket and England eventually scored 436, leaving Australia to make 415 to win in unfavourable conditions for batting. Rhodes quickly began taking wickets, and went on to take four for 44. Australia were bowled out for 125, and amid widespread jubilation, England won the series and Ashes. Wisden's judged Rhodes's selection to be "crowned with complete success", his bowling "proving no small factor in determining the issue of the struggle." The Wisden editor believed Rhodes had shown himself still to be England's best bowler and called his triumph "immensely popular."

Late career
Rhodes continued to play for Yorkshire until 1930, but averaged under 30 with the bat in each season and only scored one more hundred, in 1928. He failed to reach 1,000 runs in a season again, but as a bowler he took 85 wickets in 1927, 115 in 1928 and 100  in 1929. In 1927 the Yorkshire committee opened a public testimonial for Rhodes, donating £250 themselves; it eventually raised £1,821, During the 1927 season, he played his 1,000th first-class match when Yorkshire played Nottinghamshire on 23 July, becoming the first and, as of 2015, only cricketer to play so many first-class matches. During a 10 May 1929 match against Oxford University, he became the first, and so far only, man to take 4,000 first-class wickets.

By 1927, Yorkshire wished to appoint a more competent and permanent captain, instead of continuing the succession of ineffective amateurs, and planned to ask Herbert Sutcliffe, a professional, to take the post. Frederick Toone encouraged Rhodes to offer his resignation as senior professional, possibly with a view to installing a new regime, but Rhodes declined. Meanwhile, the proposed appointment of Sutcliffe caused controversy; some members of the county believed Rhodes should be appointed. Rhodes pointed out he had not been offered the captaincy, nor had his views been sought. He felt unappreciated when he was not offered first refusal of the captaincy. A poll of Yorkshire members showed a marked preference for Rhodes over Sutcliffe as captain; the disagreements led Sutcliffe to decline the offer, and another amateur was appointed.

In 1929–30, Rhodes was selected in a MCC team, containing several veteran players, to tour West Indies; he described it as an "old crocks" team. Given a heavy workload with the ball, he took 39 first-class wickets, averaging 24.28, and scored 129 runs at an average of 25.80 with a top score 36. In the four Test matches Rhodes took ten wickets at an average of 45.30. On 12 April 1930, the last day of the final Test, Rhodes was aged 52 years and 165 days, making him the oldest-ever Test cricketer.

Retirement and coaching
During the 1930 season, Rhodes announced his intention to retire from cricket at the end of the summer. He was finding it harder to take wickets, and the workload placed on him in the West Indies had decreased his enthusiasm for the game. Hedley Verity and Bill Bowes had by this time emerged to strengthen the Yorkshire bowling. Through an ex-captain of Yorkshire, Harrow School offered Rhodes the post of professional cricket coach, which he accepted. Rhodes missed several matches towards the end of the 1930 season, before ending his career at the Scarborough Festival. His last match was for H. D. G. Leveson Gower's XI against the Australians, where his figures were five for 93; he took a wicket with his last ball in first-class cricket. Rhodes's figures for his final season were 73 wickets at an average of 19.10, and 478 runs at an average of 22.76.

Over his career Rhodes appeared in 1,110 first-class matches, which remains a world record. In these games he scored 39,969 runs, the 17th-highest career total of any batsman. He took 4,204 wickets, a record total in first-class cricket. In his 58 Tests Rhodes scored 2,325 runs (average 30.19) and took 127 wickets (average 26.96). He was the first player in the world to accumulate 2,000 runs and 100 wickets in Tests.

Rhodes coached at Harrow School until 1936. Cricket was very important to the school, which was following the lead of Eton College which had appointed George Hirst as its own coach. However, Rhodes's personality and generally critical nature did not communicate well to privileged schoolboys who were accustomed to getting their own way, and he was eventually replaced with the more genial and sympathetic Middlesex professional Patsy Hendren. This was in contrast to the success Hirst enjoyed at Eton. According to Bowes, Rhodes had vast technical knowledge, but unlike Hirst did not know how to get the best out of people. "[He] could not relate to beginners. But if you were a Test match player looking to get advice, Wilfred was superb."

Style and personality
As a bowler, Rhodes was recognised by critics as one of the greatest slow bowlers of all time. Very effective at dismissing batsmen on difficult pitches, it was difficult to score runs from his bowling even on a good batting surface. He could make the ball turn if the pitch offered the slightest assistance, particularly if it had been affected by rain. Cricket writer E. W. Swanton described how Rhodes had "a beautifully controlled, economical and rhythmical action which ensured supreme accuracy of length and direction. He was a master of the stock left-hander's spin and could vary it with the ball that came on with the arm." In his early years as a bowler, Rhodes was able to spin the ball very sharply, and while this ability decreased in later years, he became expert at working out a batsman's weaknesses. Critics considered him expert at flighting the ball; Neville Cardus wrote that "Flight was his secret. Flight and the curving line, now higher, now lower, tempting, inimical; every ball like every other ball, yet somehow unlike; each over in collusion with the others, part of a plot ..." In the early part of his career, his bowling partnership with Hirst – who like Rhodes had been born in Kirkheaton – was particularly effective and established a formidable reputation. As time passed, his accuracy increased to the extent that it seemed every ball landed in exactly the same place. In his first five seasons, he was top of the national bowling averages twice and in second place three times, while in the first six seasons after the war, he was first four times and second once. In his whole career, he only fell outside the top 20 in the bowling averages in four seasons.

Rhodes claimed that he preferred batting to bowling. A right-handed batsman with a good defensive technique, Rhodes was a strong driver of the ball who scored more quickly in the earlier part of his career. Analysts maintained that Rhodes had only two or three effective shots, though his technique was good. Cricket writer E. W. Swanton described Rhodes as a "craftsman rather than an artist". Neville Cardus, in his obituary of Rhodes, said that the Yorkshireman "made himself into a batsman by practice and hard thinking", and that while often "dour and parsimonious", he was capable of hitting out. After changing to the two-eyed stance more of his runs came on the leg-side; in later years, Rhodes often used his pads rather than play a shot, a tactic generally regarded as negative. A feature of his batting career was his successful opening partnership with Hobbs, particularly their enterprise in running between the wickets. In his career, he scored over 190 in an innings five times and twice scored centuries in each innings of a match. Although Rhodes's primary function varied between bowler and batsman, he recorded 16 doubles to establish a record for any cricketer.

When Rhodes was involved in matches, Cardus believed that "he was not a man given to affability", showing annoyance on the field and being critical of the performances of others. According to historian Anthony Woodhouse, Rhodes was a "dour, methodical and calculating cricketer". Not popular in the way that a player like Hirst was popular, Rhodes "commanded respect rather than plaudits" in the words of Bowes. An introvert, he did not always get along with the more extrovert Hirst, possibly owing to mutual jealousy and some of Hirst's jocular comments, and was rarely pictured smiling. However, Rhodes became more relaxed and approachable in later life, particularly after his eyesight failed. Cardus was surprised, after meeting him in 1950, at how much more readily Rhodes engaged in conversation, commenting that "history comes from his mouth in rivers". Rhodes's obituary in The Times concluded: "Gruff or mellow, he was all of a piece, a fighting Yorkshireman, superbly gifted."

Personal life
In October 1899, Rhodes, aged 22, married Sarah Elizabeth Stancliffe, who lived in Kirkheaton and was two years his senior. They lived in a farmhouse, shared with other people, at Bog Hall near Kirkheaton. On 25 August 1902 his wife gave birth to a daughter, their only child. Rhodes found Yorkshire's dealings with money to be ungenerous; following his benefit in 1911 Yorkshire, as was their custom, paid only one-third of the money to Rhodes and kept back the rest to invest on his behalf, only paying out the interest. Rhodes considered this to be unfair; however, he was able to use the money to build a stone house at Marsh, Huddersfield, which his family moved into in the autumn of 1912. He lived there until 1956.

From around 1936 Rhodes's sight began to fail, and on the outbreak of war in 1939 he was unable to take up a wartime job. Eventually a specialist diagnosed glaucoma, but at that stage nothing could be done. Rhodes was still able to see well enough to watch cricket and play golf, although by 1946 he was unable to read a newspaper. Another specialist was consulted in 1951 and an operation performed, but by 1952 Rhodes was completely blind. The build-up of pain led to the removal of his left eyeball in 1958. In 1950, Sarah Rhodes suffered a heart attack, which limited the help she could give to her husband; she died in 1954, at age 79. Rhodes then sold his house at Marsh and moved in with his daughter and her husband, with whom he later moved to Bournemouth. He continued to attend cricket matches where he was able to follow the play despite his blindness, and was frequently sought out by cricketers and asked for his advice or opinion. Rhodes was given honorary life membership of Yorkshire in 1946, and of the MCC in 1949. When given membership of the MCC, along with other old professionals, Rhodes reacted characteristically; rather than showing pleasure, he responded, "I don't rightly know what it means yet." He died in 1973, aged 95.

In 2009, Rhodes was inducted into the ICC Cricket Hall of Fame.

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Talk:Portuñol

Word for 'Love'
What is the word "love" in Portuñol? I'm doing a research project, and I can't find an English-Portunol Dictionary anywhere! 165.91.152.79 22:40, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm assuming the word for love in Portuñol is "amor", considering that "amor" is also the word for love in both Spanish and Portuguese. Al-Andalus 02:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

 * It is obviously Amor. Portunhol is not a language it is just a Portuguese or Brazilian speaking Spanish, what they do is changing the accent and some words. The same occurs with Spanish and the Hispano-Americans. And, they can have a conversation without problems.

Page title
Now a different and practical problem to consider: why should we spell Portuñol, instead of Portunhol? In spanish I would write Portuñol, whilst in portuguese I would write Portunhol, because the symbol 'ñ' (http://unicode.org/ at Unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH TILDE, hexa 0x00F1). In reality both references exist: this one at English wiki, and the one at http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portunhol, and those are merely references to a non-official language.

I "thank you" all your interest for this little article, I would say obrigado in portuguese, gracias in spanish, and obracias in portinhol... ...or grado in portuñol.

H. Moreira 02:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)Henrique Moreira

FWIW
Portuñol is way more common in English. —Wiki Wikardo 05:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

italian/portuguese
There is a similar "language" with Italian. LOL. A famous coach (Italian) of a Portuguese club speaks "Italuguês" (a mixture of Portuguese and Italian), what he does is changing Italian terminations to Portuguese and add some words. Sure there's also with Italian-Spanish, because it is also a similar language. -Pedro 09:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you're confusing a sporadic bad habit of mixing languages (as per the example you have given of the soccer coaches) by people who are native speakers of one specific language that are trying to speak another genetically similar language which they do not have a knowledge of.

 * However, unlike your example, Portuñol is actually a spoken "language" of bordertowns along Brazil's frontiers with it's Spanish speaking neighbours. This is most evident among the many Uruguayans along the Brazilian border that are speakers of Portuñol, and can speak neither proper Spanish nor proper Portuguese. Al-Andalus 17:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC).

 * apparently, this would be a blend of uruguayan spanish and brazilian portuguese. Gringo300 09:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * well there's is a Portuñol almost extinct used as a native language (in Portugal): Barranquenho (altough it is pratically extinct, it is spoken in southern Portugal. BTW, most refer to Portunhol as being a mixcode and not a native language of noone. Also, many ppl see Galician also as Portunhol (when they hear it and find many particularities of Portuguese where they expected Spanish- so some people say: it is strange, they speak a sort of Portunhol!). with the italian example, many people doesnt understand Italian (most of it, some they surely do), but that mixture they understand it fully! In fact, that coach also used spanish words like hoy, so he in fact he speaks Italian-Portuguese-Spanish (Italoportunhol). -Pedro 00:21, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

dialects
Gringo300 09:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC) Portuñol is not even a dialect, to my knowledge.

H. Moreira 02:22, 1 November 2005 (UTC) H. Moreira
 * Yes, it is since is heavily said in Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina and Bolivia.
 * Yes, it is. Please refer to Riverense Portuñol language or Portuñol riverense for an example. Muñata 17:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Examples
Could anyone add on to this article by adding examples of "Portunhol" words or expressions. For example, the Spanglish page gives a several examples of words or phrases that considered Spanglish and explains the origin (the English and Spanish words) and how the word or phrase deviates from proper English or Spanish. There could also possibly be a discussion of pronunciation changes or grammar changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.30.44 (talk) 04:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Hello, Portunhol is not a language! :) It's just a way of a Portuguese Speaker trying to be understandable by a Spanish Speaker. And vice-versa. It's the same as an English speaking in Deutsch. There are no portuñol words, just creativity.

Example: "Ola hermano, tudo benne?" (I think this is completely absurd in Spanish, but I'm sure they understand.)

Best Regards, Mcastro --89.152.134.37 (talk) 22:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Falkland Islands
Why are the Falklands colored blue on the map? They aren't Spanish-speaking. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 23:01, 25 January 2013 (UTC).

Where is it?
The long example given about the passage supposedly written in Portunhol shows the "Portunhol" practically identical to the Spanish. A better example is needed, of if the difference is that minor, another characterization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.188.177.231 (talk) 15:51, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that a better example could be used. There are definitely aspects of Portunhol in the paragraph, but they are relatively minor. Also, an audio example may be helpful, if for example the speaker is switching between pronunciations of the word "de." -KaJunl (talk) 03:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is that this isn't a language. An equivalent is spanglish, it's just people using what words they know to try and communicate. What's more is that the main differences between Spanish and Portuguese is pronunciation which you can't see in writing, ie houses is spelled casas in Spanish and Portuguese, but the pronunciation in spanish is cah-sahs where as in portuguese it's cah-zash, the first s is pronounced z because it's between two vowels, and the second is pronounced sh because it's word final. So portunhol exists on a spectrum, with accented portugues/spanish on either side, then the middle having words from both with stronger accent. So:
 * Queru voltah pra caza
 * Quero voltar para caza
 * Quero boltar a casa
 * Quero bolber a casa
 * Quiero bolber a casa
 * But this is really difficult to put in to writing because this is just spoken. Alcibiades979 (talk) 23:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Consistency with Portuñol vs. Portunhol
I have no preference for which is used, but the way the article switches back and forth is confusing. Whichever is used for the title should be used throughout the article. The second spelling just needs to be mentioned once in the first sentence. -KaJunl (talk) 02:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Another variant of Portuñol
Portguese: "Hoje me vejo diante de seu olhar de morto, este homem que me faz dançar castanholas na cama, que me faz sofrer, que me faz, que me construiu de dor e sangue, o sangue que verteu minha vida amarga. Desde seus ombros, meu destino igual àquele feito de um punhal na chave direita do coração. Agora neste momento, eu não sei o que falar com sua cara dura, roxos os olhos soterrados, estes que eram meus olhos." Portuñol #1: “Hoy me vejo adelante de su olhar de muerto, este hombre que me hace dançar castanholas en la cama, que me hace sofrir, que me hace, que me há construído de dolor y sangre, la sangre que vertiô mi vida amarga. Desde sus ombros, mi destino igual quel hecho de uno punhal en la clave derecha del corazón. Ahora en neste momento, yo no sê que hablar com su cara dura, rojos los olhos soterrados, estos que eram mis ojos.” Spanish: Hoy me veo delante de su mirada de muerto, este hombre que me hace bailar castañuelas en la cama, que me hace sufrir, que me hace, que me ha construido de dolor y sangre, la sangre que vertió mi vida amarga. Desde sus hombros, mi destino igual aquél hecho de un puñal en la clave derecha del corazón. Ahora en este momento, yo no sé qué hablar con su cara dura, rojos los ojos soterrados, estos que eran mis ojos. Portuñol #2: “Hoje me veo adiante de seu mirada de morto, este homem que me faz bailar castañuelas na cama, que me faz sufrer, que me faz, que me construíu de dor e sangue, o sangue que verteu minha vida amarga. Desde seus hombros, meu destino igual quele feito de umo puñal na chave dereita do coração. Agora este momento, eu não sei o que falar con sua cara dura, roxos os ojos soterrados, estes que eran meus olhos.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.41.197.245 (talk) 00:46, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Oilskin

Why stub?

 * How come this has been marked as a stub? It's not exactly War & Peace, but it seems like a fair article. --Pete 22:40, 8 April 2005 User:137.205.31.138
 * No answer, so I've removed the marker. PeteVerdon
 * Just a note that it would seem that this article does need a bit of expansion in the historical direction. Say like the leathers coated with oils in Viking and medevil times and such. -DB 21:58, 4 January 2006 User:216.54.54.226

Modern rain gear would not remotely be considered oil skins. That is really poor phraseology. I suggest this whole thing be redone.

The topic should be rain proof gear, oil skins are one form that is outdated and we sure do not nor did call them that and I grew up fishing. It was raincoats not oil skins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.51.20 (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Merge waxed jacket here?

 * Should "waxed jacket" be merged into this article? // Habj 23:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No. It's something entirely different. Does what the guys in the picture are wearing look anything like this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeteVerdon (talk • contribs) 20:30, 4 May 2006

Move/Replace

 * On second thoughts, after reading both DB's and Habj's comments, there might be a better way to lay these things out. The current article on sailing clothing should probably be at oilskins, with an 's', while a future article on the waterproofed fabric should be here at oilskin and include a "see also" or a link in the text, pointing to the sailing one. The oilskin article can then go into excruciating detail about canvas, oil, leather and vikings, and even mention waxed jackets if it likes. I'm not going to make this rearrangement just yet, though, as there's very little text about the material in the article. If it interests you, go ahead and add it, then you or I can split out the sailing stuff once there's enough fabric stuff to make an article on its own. PeteVerdon 20:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

 * How to retrieve and edit the reflist in the references section. it seems there are duplicate Grundens History in there.

Oilskin is a fabric

 * This article is talking about expensive clothing for sailors, not about the oilskin fabric. It seems wrong to have it under the heading "oilskin".  Mountain climbers and explorers wore oilskins in the 1800s to survive extreme terrain.
 * At the very least, there should probably be a disambiguation page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.100.52 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 19 May 2006
 * Agreed, as I said above. However, there seems no point in moving the existing page leaving behind an empty article. If someone wants to write a piece about the fabric they should do so, and move most of the current article to oilskins or, at a pinch, oilskins (sailing). PeteVerdon 21:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Sister link
Local wikilink "sou'wester" redirects to this article, so the point in this article that refers to sou'westers seemed the natural place for a sister link to Wiktionary's entry. --Pi zero (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Differentiation of Oilskin, Raincoat, and Maybe Waxed Jacket
I’ve come here wondering what the difference is between a normal raincoat and an oilskin, but the article never mentions raincoats. Another person seems to have been interested in waxed jackets and how they compare. It would be interesting if someone knowledgeable on the topic could provide some differentiating information in the article. Thanks! —Telofy (talk) 17:58, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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Dihydrocapsaicin

Dihydrocapsaicin is a capsaicinoid and analog and congener of capsaicin in chili peppers (Capsicum). Like capsaicin, it is an irritant. It accounts for about 22% of the total capsaicinoid mixture and has the same pungency as capsaicin. Pure dihydrocapsaicin is a lipophilic colorless odorless crystalline to waxy compound. It is soluble in dimethyl sulfoxide and 100% ethanol.

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Nordihydrocapsaicin

Nordihydrocapsaicin is a capsaicinoid and analog and congener of capsaicin in chili peppers (Capsicum).

Properties
Like capsaicin, it is an irritant. Nordihydrocapsaicin accounts for about 7% of the total capsaicinoids mixture and has about half the pungency of capsaicin. Pure nordihydrocapsaicin is a lipophilic colorless odorless crystalline to waxy solid. On the Scoville scale it has 9,100,000 SHU (Scoville heat units), significantly higher than pepper spray.

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Homodihydrocapsaicin

Homodihydrocapsaicin is a capsaicinoid and analog and congener of capsaicin in chili peppers (Capsicum). Like capsaicin it is an irritant. Homodihydrocapsaicin accounts for about 1% of the total capsaicinoids mixture and has about half the pungency of capsaicin. Pure homodihydrocapsaicin is a lipophilic colorless odorless crystalline to waxy compound. It produces "numbing burn" in the throat and is one of the most prolonged and difficult to rinse out. On the Scoville scale it has 8,600,000 SHU (Scoville heat units).

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Homocapsaicin

Homocapsaicin is a capsaicinoid and analog and congener of capsaicin in chili peppers (Capsicum). Like capsaicin it is an irritant. Homocapsaicin accounts for about 1% of the total capsaicinoids mixture and has about half the pungency of capsaicin. Pure homocapsaicin is a lipophilic colorless odorless crystalline to waxy compound. On the Scoville scale it has 8,600,000 SHU (Scoville heat units). Homocapsaicin isolated from chili pepper has been found in two isomeric forms, both with a carbon-carbon double bond at the 6 position (numbered from the amide carbon) on the 10-carbon acyl chain. One isomer has an additional carbon, a methyl group, at the 8 position and the other has a methyl group at the 9 position. Homocapsaicin (6-ene-8-methyl) is the more abundant isomer. Homocapsaicin with the double bond at the 7 position has never been found in nature, though its structure is widely reported on the Internet and in the scientific literature. Details of this misidentification have been published.

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The Four Greats (Norwegian writers)

The Four Greats (Danish and Norwegian: De fire store) is a term used for four of the most influential Norwegian writers of the late 19th century.

The Four Greats were: Other writers have been suggested, notably Amalie Skram.
 * Henrik Ibsen (1828–1906) playwright, theatre director, and poet who introduced Theatrical realism to the Norwegian stage.
 * Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson (1832–1910) novelist, dramatist and playwright who became the first Norwegian Nobel laureate.
 * Jonas Lie (1833–1908) novelist, poet, and playwright focusing largely on the folk life and social spirit of the nation of Norway.
 * Alexander Kielland (1849–1906) novelist, short story writer, playwright, essayist most known for his satirical writings and short stories.

Originally a publicity gimmick introduced by their publisher, Gyldendal, the term stuck and is still widely used. The four authors had in common that they to some extent belonged to the same generation and were influential in Literary realism within Norway during the period 1860–1890. Additionally Bjørnson, Ibsen and Lie all attended the same school, Heltberg Latin School (Heltbergs Studentfabrikk) in Christiania (now Oslo), where they were taught by Henrik Heltberg (1806–1873).

Related reading

 * Beyer, Harald; translation by Einar Haugen (1979) A History of Norwegian Literature  (New York University Press) ISBN 978-0-8147-1023-4
 * Naess, Harald S. (1993) A History of Norwegian Literature (University of Nebraska Press) ISBN 978-0-8032-3317-1

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User talk:NathanJC

Hi, please don't alter other users words. It's deceptive, and not good wikiquette. If you can't make productive edits, you will be blocked from editing. Thanks. Meelar (talk) 22:44, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

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