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Professional Ice Hockey Team
The Dallas Stars are not a professional men's ice hockey team, they're just a professional ice hockey team made up entirely of men. Women can play in the NHL - nowhere does it say they're excluded, therefore no team in the NHL can be a professional men's ice hockey team. This should be rectified in the first sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.58.81.61 (talk) 22:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

List of Dallas Stars players
I have made a List of Dallas Stars players. As of the end of the 2003-04 NHL season, this list is 100% complete. When new players play for the Stars, it would be a great help to keep the list accurate if the new players were added to the list. Thanks! Masterhatch 15 August 2005

Dallas Stars 2006/07 Schedule
This is the 2006/07 Stars Schedule just click on the link to get it.

http://www.dallasstars.com/gameday/schedule.jsp

Recent History
added mention of the 07 all-star game. also did a bit of cleaning up and moved Modano's 500 goal milestone to the Recent History section. took Steve Ott off of IR.

Logos
The captions make reference to the "alternate logo" and "'controversial' alternate logo". Someone who knows please explain, lest these images both get deleted. Unschool 01:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Both are alternate logos, what's more to explain? --Krm500 03:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I've never seen this term used before (not that I'm super knowledgable about such things), but I'm wondering:
 * a) Who's calling them "alternate" logos—the team, or some independent entity?
 * b) If they're "official alternate" logos, when and where are they used, and, (most importantly),
 * c) Why is the one logo supposedly "controversial"?
 * Just thought it was unusual, I guess, and wondered if someone had just made this up. Unschool 03:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

 * a) Well I guess both the team, the league and all the fans call them alternate logos. I have never heard anything other then that. See here for example http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?t=10.
 * b) The "Texas map" one is used on the shoulder of the jersey, on both sides. The controversial one is used as the main logo instead of the original logo on the alternate jersey or "3rd jersey".
 * c) It's controversial since the logo looks like this and is widely considered as the ugliest jersey in the NHL.

And it's not made up but maybe it should have a better explanation --Krm500 03:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Of course, I didn't see the uterus until you pointed it out, but my wife, the RN, saw it before I told her what to look for. Maybe it should be mentioned in the caption? Unschool 03:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Hilarious! But actually irrelevant and the opinion is not appropriate, whether it has broad agreement or not.Bizfixer 23:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Under Dominance in 1998-99, 1999-00, and a Stanley Cup, the main logo here is incorrect, this is a version of their last logo from their days in Minnesota, the ones they used of this style had a darker green colour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.247.30 (talk) 12:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

WTF?
Are any of the Dallas fans out there freaked out that the 2006-07 season has eight paragraphs devoted to it, while the franchise's Stanley Cup victory has a single sentence devoted to it?  Ravenswing  03:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Though I'm not a Dallas fan, the 2006-07 section is 'way too long'. The Stanley Cup victory season (1998-99) should have the most info. GoodDay 17:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Another non-Dallas fan, but I agree. I wish I knew more about them so I could re-write that part. Maybe I'll do some reading up later, but probably not since I still have to finish off some other stuff on this site before committing to more things. And you wanna know why that section is so long (not sure if it has been reduced since you brought it up or not) it has almost a day-by-day type record. Forgot what they usually call that, but you know what I mean. They're adding every little thing that happens instead of only putting more important things. Bsroiaadn 06:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

First Round Draft Picks
Is that section really needed? Seems like a waste of space to me, honestly...either that or someone originally used it as filler. Either way, I don't think it should be there. Anyone else agree? Bsroiaadn 06:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it is an interesting bit of data that I have not seen elsewhere.Bizfixer 23:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Minnesota North Stars?
Why are the Dallas Stars and Minnesota North Stars pages separate? the Minnesota Wild makes no claim to the North Stars history. There is no reason for them to be separate. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 14:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because all the 'relocated' NHL teams are seperated. It cuts down on page lengths. Also, the Minnesota Wild page makes no claims of being linked to the North Stars. The Minnesota North Stars and Dallas Stars pages cleary explain each other connections. Thus no need, for merging. GoodDay 14:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Strong oppose to a merger. There is no good reason to combine the articles, and WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not nearly good enough. While they may be different aspects of the same franchise, they are historically distinct.  It is completely ridiculous to attempt to condense 26 years of history to three or four paragraphs on another article. Resolute 14:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no need to compress their history in the Dallas Stars article. The old history can remain perfectly intact.  In addition, there is a good reason to keep the Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche, Hartford Whalers/Carolina Hurricanes, Winnipeg Jets/Phoenix Coyotes and Atlanta/Calgary Flames articles separate: they were in the World Hockey Association.  That reason is not valid in this case, as the North Stars are an indigenous NHL team.  There are not separate articles for the New York Baseball Giants, the Brooklyn Dodgers, the Boston Braves, the Philadelphia Athletics, the Kansas City Athletics, the Los Angeles Rams, the Los Angeles Raiders, the Houston Oilers, the Minneapolis Lakers, the Vancouver Grizzlies, or any other current team that has moved elsewhere and is still extant.  The only precedent are teams that existed in other leagues. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 15:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Flames franchise was never in the WHA. GoodDay 15:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Their history can remain perfectly intact as two separate articles as well. So really, what is your reasoning for a merge, aside from WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Resolute 16:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Strong Oppose: Such separation is the standard throughout the Wikiproject, whether in NHL, WHA or minor league articles. There are several reasons to keep the status quo.  (1)  As we've seen, recentism glorifies the past handful of seasons, while ignoring much of a team's past; until quite recently, for instance, the Philadelphia Flyers' 06-07 season received much more ink than both the team's Cup wins combined.  Combination would swiftly marginalize the earlier history of the franchises;  (2)  The prior incarnations of longstanding teams have their own independent identities and fanbases;  (3)  Oh, yeah, article size :) ...   Ravenswing  15:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Rebuttal As I explained, I am not proposing merger of the former WHA teams. And this separation is only used in the NHL, not in the WikiProjects for any other North American sports league. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 15:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In addition, your first point endorses the other person's opposition (that merging may needlessly discount the history of the North Stars) as a reason to oppose it. Forgetting the past is not a good reason to keep the status quo.  Keeping the full history in the merged article will permit the preservation of a full singular history for a single team. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 15:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Rebuttal To say only the NHL does it is not true. It also is done to MLB and NBA articles. And the point on losing history is a valid one as article sizes are supposed to stay around a certain size at which point you either cut out information (which we don't like) or you separate the information out into its own article.(which is already the case) --Djsasso 19:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply: And not only to sporting articles. Buick and Oldsmobile have their own articles, detailing their histories beyond General Motors.  Filene's, Kaufmann's and Jordan Marsh haven't been turned into paragraphs of the Macy's article.  And so on and so forth ...   Ravenswing  20:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

GoodDay 20:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose, per Ravenswing. GoodDay 15:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment such a proposal, would have to include the Golden Seals and Barons in a North Stars merger to the Stars. GoodDay 18:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose, per Ravenswing.  Bsroiaadn Talk 18:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose This has been gone through or various teams in various leagues before. And it comes down to there is too much info to merge. When articles get large you split off pieces to new articles, that is normal Wiki procedure. This is no different. We are just splitting off the Minnesota North Stars history. --Djsasso 19:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose for all reasons stated above. Merging would be an idiotic move, at best. Gmatsuda 19:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - All previous incarnations of a team should be separate pages, to differentiate their histories. I note, however, that hockey is the only sport on Wikipedia that does this; all other sports have redirects to the current franchise, which I disagree with. The history of the Oakland Athletics is long enough; when you try to encompass not only Oakland, but Philadelphia and Kansas City before that, it becomes unwieldy. I think all versions of a franchise should be separated, with limited exceptions (the Oakland/California Golden/Regular Seals/Whatever they called themselves being the primary example). Anthony Hit me up... 19:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose --Krm500 22:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose per Ravenswing. Also I have failed to see any reason listed that gives this idea any credit. Kaiser matias 02:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For the reasons already stated.  There is enough material for two great articles, and no pressing need whatsoever to merge them.  The notion of a "singular history" in one article makes no sense to me.  Skeezix1000 11:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose. There is more than enough information for the North Stars to have their own article.  --myselfalso 15:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per everyone else's arguements. Dknights411 03:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I am not for merging the two articles, however I think title information (Division, Conference, Stanley Cup) should include the MN years on the Dallas article. Perhaps an asterisk could denote that those specific years were as North Stars.  That would not create a longer article, and provide more fluidity between the two articles.  Afterall, franchise information is included in the right hand box, so why shouldn't title info?  And on a side note, the Indianapolis Colts article includes all information relating to their 53-83 Baltimore era. Bdsnook 13:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Stats
Is all the NHL stats taken from hockeydb.com? Because NHL´s official guide and record book has Basil McRae listed at 382 pim in 1987-1988.
 * Most of the stats were likely taken from hockeydb. If the official guide has a different number, please feel free to make the correction.  Thanks! Resolute 16:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Jersey Section, and more
Needs to be a Jersey section. Also, the entire article is awful short for a professional sports team. Their Cup win in '99 is hardly explained at all, as if it has no real significance. Does the team have a mascot? If so, it needs to be mentioned. Overall, much more needs to be done here. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 00:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This section could now be improved. Also to include the new Adidas Reverse Retro jerseys to be worn in 2021. Nick.b23 (talk) 14:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Stupid Grammar Question
Okay, so, link-hopping, reading the article, and I find the following sentences:
 * In 1993, amid further attendance woes and bitter personal controversy, Green obtained permission to move the team to the Reunion Arena in Dallas, Texas, where they were renamed, 'specifically', the Stars. The NHL, to quell the controversy, 'promised' to the fans of Minnesota to return in the future with a new franchise.

I was just wondering about the reasoning for the single quotes around "specifically" and "promised" (especially for the latter, considering that the next sentence informs the reader that that promise was indeed fulfilled). --Umrguy42 (talk) 00:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Because people have this funny notion, in the last few years, that putting quotes around a word means emphasizing it and constitutes good grammar. I'd be quite content for them to go away.   Ravenswing  04:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Longest games
Where, if anywhere, would be the best place to note that the Dallas Stars have played in the 4th-, 6th-, and 8th-longest NHL playoff games (2nd, 4th, and 5th in the modern era)? Collegebookworm (talk) 06:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, hmm...should Sergei Zubov be listed as born in 1970 Russia or 1970 USSR? To me, the USSR would make more sense, but Sergei's page shows Russia...is this stylistic, or agreed convention for Wikipedia? Collegebookworm (talk) 07:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia-wide convention (and, indeed, a convention followed in almost all encyclopedias) is that the country is that at the time of birth, which in Zubov's case would be the Soviet Union.  Ravenswing  09:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Uh
Why does it say in the General Managers section that Brett Hull is American? Sure, he was American citizenship but he still has Canadian, and since he was born here, hes more Canadian than American. I am changing it. 99.235.198.60 (talk) 21:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * By convention, we use the nation that a player represents internationally in the case of dual citizenship. In the case of Hull especially, he stopped being Canadian a long time ago. Resolute 21:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

This page could use a lot more pictures
I've done a lot of content addition filling in some of the gaps the original authors neglected, but now the article is looking very bare... It would be appropriate to add maybe one of the players skating with the cup, or someone from the early Stars days or an example of each meaningful uniform. Could someone with the know-how decorate a little more??? Thanks! 24.139.192.182 (talk) 21:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Stars previous incarnations
Before 1978, the North Stars/Stars franchise had 2 pre-incarnations, the 1967-78 North Stars & the 1967-78 Seals/Barons. There was no demerging of this 1978 arrangement in 1991. If so? then not only would the Seals/Barons & North Stars belong in this article's infobox, but would also belong in the San Jose Sharks infobox. GoodDay (talk) 04:15, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Previous incarnations should not be included in this articles infobox or others except those that are part of the league's and the club's official history. Otherwise it opens the door for POV edits from other fans/historians to this and other franchises in the NHL and other leagues.  While there are oddities involving the histories of some pro sports franchise it's best to leave information regarding those oddities in the body of the article.  Straykat99 (talk) 06:44, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

initial version of new uniforms
Initial version of the new uniforms for 2013/14 is now available in the Hebrew version of this article. Tdunsky (talk) 05:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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The North Stars left Minnesota because the owner Green was being charged with sexual harassment. Minnesota wouldn't drop the charges so he moved the team. They didn't move because they were in financial trouble.2601:441:8100:6817:184C:F533:340:33D5 (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Errr, no. But you're welcome to cite several reliable sources saying so, if you can.   Ravenswing   00:34, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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2025-26
Don't know why, but for some reason the 2025-26 season is listed as a season the Stars won the Stanley Cup, even though it hasn't happened 170.205.151.54 (talk) 22:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Vandalism, has been reverted. GoodDay (talk) 23:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

How come the division championships that the Northstar had or not listed here?
Many other leagues and many other teams In other sports league’s the championship they have won even if they have relocated since, so how come with the Stars the Minnesota north stars divisional championships are not listed, making a total of 10 for the whole franchise? 24.46.90.50 (talk) 17:22, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Because we keep separate team pages for NHL franchises that have re-located. Example, we don't list the 1986-87 Adams Division title, in the Carolina Hurricanes page's infobox. GoodDay (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

More information on Stars recent history since 2019
How come there are only a couple sentences devoted to the Stars recent history sine the 2019-20 season? There is no mention of (in chronological order): 2019-20 Dallas Stars starting their season 1-7-1 then going on a 14-1-1 run, Jim Montgomery fired in-season and replaced by Rick Bowness, Dallas Stars hosting and winning the 2020 NHL Winter Classic, only 1-2 sentences on the Stars 2020 Stanley Cup Finals run (which included a Game 7 OT win vs. Colorado in the 2nd round)(there are too few sentences here to describe a Western Conference Championship run), the Stars making the 2022 Playoffs during the 2021-22 NHL Season and Jake Oettinger's great performance in Game 7 vs. Calgary, Stars hiring Pete DeBoer and making it all the way to the 2023 Western Conference Finals in 2022-23, also winning their first home Game 7 since 2000 in their second round series vs. Seattle, emergence of Jason Robertson, Jake Oettinger, Roope Hintz, Miro Hesikanen, Wyatt Johnston among others.

A lot has happened for the Dallas Stars franchise since the beginning of the 2019-20 season, and I feel the last four Stars seasons are not reflected accurately, nor in a respectable amount of detail as they should be. Please advise soon. Lathens (talk) 17:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You can add it yourself. Most of that is appropriate for the article, but some of those details aren't significant enough. Maybe they would belong in a History of the Dallas Stars article.
 * I see you added some of that and it was reverted by for not being neutral. I don't agree that neutrality was a problem with those additions, but the WP:TONE was. Avoid words like blockbuster, stellar etc. Also there was probably too much detail.--Killashaw (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the note! When editing going forward I will be sure to stay away from strong words like "blockbuster and stellar" without context, as outlined. Hopefully if I don't get to it, the additions for Stars recent history are made soon. Lathens (talk) 21:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2024
Can someone add that in the "History" section to state that "Under Hiller, the Kings improved, clinching the playoffs for the third consecutive year, but were eliminated by the Oilers in the first round again, this time in five games." Can someone add that to the history? Please. 2601:40A:8400:1820:2C76:797B:6947:643A (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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nhl.com/coyotes updated
Instead of the Arizona Coyotes team page on nhl.com/coyotes, it's now the history of the team. The website will need to be removed for now, but I think it'll be back to action when the Coyotes get reactivated. UtahJazzFan1 (talk) 06:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Alex Meruelo has officially left the franchise entirely
Well, the franchise is officially dead 2603:8001:2E07:2D00:9DC5:D70A:92AD:3F20 (talk) 05:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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Worst Fans
I am removing the remark about having the "worst fans" unless someone can provide a valid source.

It's Vandalism. KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 06:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Catfish throwing
The University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH) has been throwing catfish on the ice at their hockey games (it is tradition to throw one after the first home goal of the season) since before the Predators even existed. So I think it's safe to say that this tradition didn't start in Nashville 71.207.223.60 07:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Nashville Predators players
There is a List of Nashville Predators players. When adding players to the Nashville page, could you also add them to the list? Thanks! Masterhatch 17 August 2005

Current Squad Scratch
moved to article ccwaters 14:34, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Captain's List
interim-captain's shouldn't be on this list (or any NHL team's list). If all interim captains were listed, there'd be 20-30 names on each NHL teams captain's list. Does anyone agree? Mightberight/wrong 20:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC).

Future of the team
After losing in the first round of the playoffs for the third year in a row, despite being one of the NHL's best teams all season and making the biggest trade deadline move, there has been much speculation about the future of the team, not to mention the franchise. Barry Trotz doesn't have a contract for next season, and Nashville must make decisions on several key free agents. It is quite possible that the team will turn in a new direction. Also there have been issues with Nashville not getting enough corporate support, and struggling to get enough attendance to qualify for revenue sharing income. There has been speculation that the team might move to Kansas City or somewhere else if corporate support continues to be an issue. Can someone include something about this? The 2007 offseason figures to be somewhat of a turning point in the franchise's history.
 * If there are sourced items worthy of inclusion, no doubt someone will do so. Until then, speculation about the team's future is the province of The Tennessean, not of Wikipedia.    Ravenswing  13:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Ownership
Reverted the ownership to Craig Leipold, as he is still the owner of the Predators until the deal closes in late-June. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.183.205 (talk) 11:23, May 27, 2007
 * Me too. Except someone just completely got rid of "owner" instead of just changing the name when I had to re-add it.  Bsroiaadn Talk 05:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ditto ecept they changed name but not the flag, so only had to change back ownership. if someone is going to make the change you would hope at least they would canadianise the "new owner" as well..Childhoodtrauma 23:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Additional information could be added about Boots DelBiaggio when the dust settles on his current Federal investigation for bank fraud and his recent bankruptcy filing. Source: http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9503612  But, this part of the Predators' story is still a "news" item and should be tabled until it settles out. Chacon (talk) 23:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know...the effect should only be the fact that Boots is booted from the ownership group, either bought out or whatever. He's not the majority owner, or even the face of the team. "DelBaggio was removed from the ownership group in 2008 following his delcaration of bankruptcy" will be all that is needed, as it is a mere footnote in the entire saga. Bwilkins (talk) 11:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments
No jersey section. Needs one complete with info and pics. Team mascot needs to be mentioned also. Franchise history is too small and not detailed enough. The last three season are explained OK...but what about before? Every season should be mentioned, with details and stats. After that, their last three successful seasons should be highlighted more, with bigger paragraphs and more details. Is it mentioned that Barry Trotz has been the only head coach ever employed by the organization? And how during the last three seasons the team has gone from bottom-tier NHL team to a top-contender in the Western Conference? These things should be emphasized. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 01:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC) did some of this :-) Bwilkins 13:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Was there ever any concern about the team name? Predators can be confused with sexual predators by some! Perhaps it's time for a team name change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.192.72 (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ownership section
it seems to me that the ownership history is notable. The $250 million lawsuit currently in arbitration is certainly worth watching, which, among other things, involves the dilution of a 48% ownership share to less than 1%. This is more than a team, it is also a business valued at ~$270 million with annual revenues of ~$120 million, and the business side probably gained as much press as the sports side prior to 2017. You may consider this history "older stuff" and "far removed" but notability is not temporary WP:NTEMP (not to mention that the story continues). Jack N. Stock (talk) 23:30, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to rename the section as "Ownership history" and try to rewrite the story completely but concisely. I agree that it was getting long, but it is notable. Jack N. Stock (talk) 23:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

This is much better; thank you for your help Civil Engineer 3 (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2022
There is a list of Predators players who have made the NHL all-rookie team and it is missing Alexandre Carrier from the 21-22 season. 213.216.209.49 (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The article has been updated. Thanks for notifying. Leventio (talk) 19:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Portland Pirates

who is the owner? --Jingofetts 15:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Could use some help cleaning up the hall of fame, get rid of the numbers and the size should be normal not small like it is on the artical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacekeeper 1234 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Binghamton Senators

New Haven Nighthawks
The New Haven Senators used to be known as the New Haven Nighthawks. This is confirmed here http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Dugout/4128/04ahl90s.html The franchise lineage should be updated.

New Haven And Prince Edward Island
The pages of the New Haven Senators and the Prince Edward Island Senators redirect to the Binghamton page. So I put their teams years in the franchise history location. Mrsteak613 22:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free to make articles for the other teams. ccwaters 00:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Team history goes further back to include the New Haven Nighthawks. Needs to be included. Flibirigit 07:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Bring the Calder Cup back to Binghamton?
I don't believe that any Binghamton AHL franchise has ever won the Calder Cup —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.163.207.16 (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Your are correct. The article is poorly written. Please feel free to help. Flibirigit 21:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd love to help and just created my first Wiki login! If you could point me in the right direction on how to follow the rules, I'd appreciate it.  I can work on articles related to the Greater Binghamton area UntilMoraleImproves 19:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Milwaukee Admirals

Admirals nickname use
When they joined the AHL was there any controversy over the Admirals name since Norfolk already had it? Did they have to pay Norfolk to be able to keep the name? Probably would be worth mentioning if someone can find some verifiable source on that. 67.46.0.13 06:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Doesn't look like there was any controversy at all, according to this news report from the time: http://www2.jsonline.com/sports/etc/jun01/admiral05060401.asp. They certainly didn't have to pay anyone for a name they were using 25 years before the Norfolk club was founded. --Chancemichaels 19:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Chancemichaels

Official Logo
With or without the "Milwaukee Admirals" text? The isolated head is on the jerseys and on theahl.com. ccwaters 02:46, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The official logo includes the "ADMIRALS" wordmark. The "Admiral Head" is only used on the uniforms. Rumor has it that the team will be getting a new uniform - and possibly a new logo - for 2007.

New jerseys and logo not possible until 2008. They didn't get anything approved before January 06.--Admiralfreak 00:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The Admirals WILL be introducing a new logo and color scheme for the 2006-2007 season. They will be unveiling it on August 2nd in Milwaukee at the Summerfest grounds.  Rumor has it that the new colors are primarily black and blue, with red and white accents.  What the new logo will be is being kept tightly under wraps.

 * August 1st at 6:00 PM at the Summerfest grounds. jwhouk 14:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Personal feelings about said logo aside - the change in color is a radical one for the franchise. The Admirals have always had some form of red, white and blue in their uniforms. The change to black, silver and light blue is drastic - if not erroneous, due to the "pirate-like" theme. -jwhouk 14:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Founding date
I'm really iffy on the founding date. The team started out as an amatuer club. When did it go pro? When it went to the IHL?? The Hershey Bears are another example of amatuer to pro. ccwaters 04:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The tradition states that the club started as the Milwaukee Flyers in 1970, then played as an independent for three years until they joined the USHL in 1973. When the USHL made it clear that they were going to switch to amateur (Juniors) status, Lloyd Pettit moved the team to the IHL in 1977. jwhouk 03:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Record Scratch
Moved to article ccwaters 22:29, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Rich Sirois win record
Sirois win record might be slightly higher. The 119 tally does not include any possible wins from the 83-84 season when he apparently played 4 games for the Ads. I can't find complete stats for him that year. If someone has that data, could you please add it on. Thanks ccwaters 12:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The problem is that the IHL didn't keep goaltender won-loss records in the 1970's and 1980's. I could scour the Journal boxes from that year, or see if I can contact the Admirals to see if they have anything in their archives about it. jwhouk 03:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Colors
I don't see the problem with having specificity when it comes to the Admiral's colors. They are definitely cardinal (color) and Vegas gold (See this for what color Vegas gold is). I would rather have seen KnoxSGT put in some edit descriptions, but other than that I think his edits improve the page. Cheers--BaronLarf 20:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think the colors name were his edits. Anyway names like that are generally just trivial marketing. ccwaters 20:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The colors were taken from SSUR.org's Uniform Colors List for the AHL. The colors are listed as Maroon, Blue, Black, Copper and Silver. Hope that helps. jwhouk 03:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

 * In a similar vein, I'm going to change the new colors back to the way the team describes them. The sweater might look gray, but the team color is silver (much the same way the Oakland Raiders uniforms were gray until the introduction of synthetic fabrics that can give a metallic sheen).  Until the club lists gray as a uniform color, it should be called silver.  --Chancemichaels 11:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

 * Also, I removed "white" from the uniform colors list. A quick look at other American Hockey League clubs shows that it's not listed for other teams, and we should endeavor to be consistent.  ---Chancemichaels 11:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

 * I won't challenge the colors listed, but I believe that in addition to black and white, the other colors are called "battleship gray" and "Lake Michigan blue". -jwhouk 14:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

 * You may well be right. I can't to see what the SSUR lists for the colors - so far, all we've seen is the Admirals' press release, which lists "black, silver, and ice blue".  --Chancemichaels 16:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

 * Well, the new colors are up on the SSUR database, and listed as Milwaukee Admirals Black, Milwaukee Admirals Blue "Ice Blue", Milwaukee Admirals Silver, and White. Milwaukee Admirals Gray is listed as a "Secondary color - road uniforms only", and Milwaukee Admirals Green and Milwaukee Admirals Yellow are listed as "Additional colors - secondary logo only".  I dunno - I don't see any green in that secondary logo, but he ought to know.  Maybe there's something that hasn't been unveiled yet.

 * As far as this entry goes, the convention appears to be only to list the primary colors (see the pages for Norfolk Admirals, Omaha Ak-Sar-Ben Knights, Syracuse Crunch, Peoria Rivermen and others), so the colors in the entry should probably remain "black, silver and ice blue". --Chancemichaels 18:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

Founding date, cont.
Can we come to a consensus as to the proper format for the founding date, rather than reverting and re-reverting? 1970-1971 is accurate, but January 1970 is even more so (showing that the club was formed in advance of the hockey season, halfway in the previous season). Any reason why it has to be expressed in the two-year season format? --Chancemichaels 03:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

 * Just realized - 1970-1971 is not accurate.  The 1970-1971 season started in November of 1970 and ran through the spring of 1971 (as the name would suggest).  The Wings played their first game in January of 1970, in what would have been the 1969-1970 season had they belonged to a full-season league.  So we have a choice of "1970" or "1969-1970."  But since they were an independent team, not in a full-season league, 1970 seems to be the best choice.  --Chancemichaels 20:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

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Baseball and Hockey
Coincidentally but unrelated, the two cities' baseball franchises share a reverse affiliation, as the Nashville Sounds are the AAA affiliate of the Milwaukee Brewers.

I wouldn't say it is unrelated, especially given The Admirals were purchased in June 2005 by a group of investors, led by Harris J. Turer, including Milwaukee Brewers owner Mark Attanasio, assistant general manager Gord Ash and pitcher Ben Sheets.

Turer is also #2 shareholder of the Brewers (as of 2006) according to http://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/harristurer.html and is on the board of directors http://www.biztimes.com/news/2010/4/30/bravo-harris-turer-majority-owner-ceo-of-milwaukee-admirals-hockey-club

Craig Leipold was the majority owner of the Predators - at that time he was on the stadium commission for Milwaukee's Miller Park http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2008/01/who_is_craig_leipold.shtml

Also, Frontier airlines currently offers nonstop daily service from Milwaukee to/from Nashville - which began with the Milwaukee-based Midwest Express. ME was the official airline of the Brewers, Admirals and Predators at the time of the Brewers and Admirals purchases (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/36169999.html). In minimal googling, I was unable to find a more direct connection between Midwest Express and the Brewers/Admirals organizations.

But basically, the point is that the three franchises are bound together by mutual business interests — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pagelm (talk • contribs) 16:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Peoria Rivermen (ECHL)

The AHL Peoria Rivermen are the relocated Worcester IceCats, and are only related to this ECHL franchise by name. My question is: Are the IHL and ECHL incarnations the same team? I would prefer to seperate them even farther, but I'm not familiar with that history. If somebody can clarify that with some references, I'll expanded this article accordingly. I plan on formulating a defunct team stub in the near future. I'll be starting with Binghamton, NY. Legally, there were four franchises (NAHL Dusters, the first AHL team that was renamed 'Dusters to Whalers to Rangers', UHL BC Icemen, and the current AHL Senators). I'll probably have an article for each renaming. ccwaters 17:05, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've come across a mention that the IHL Rivermen became the San Antonio Dragons. ccwaters 17:12, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Atlanta Gladiators

Playoff results?
Does anybody know results of the playoffs? All I was able to get reliably was the 2006 Final; I can't find records or matchups for anything else, and the opponents don't mesh with division names for the old article text for 2004. —C.Fred (talk) 03:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Information Added for 2006.

Roster
Roster updated for 2007, also added country flags for each player. Sparky-sama 09:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

GladiatorsForum.org fan site link
Hello,

I'm the author of the unofficial fan site of the Gwinnett Gladiators. We were wondering what happened with the link to our site that we place here around the 15th of March as it seems to have disappeared today. In reviewing the page history for the Gwinnett Gladiators, we noticed that C. Fred believed that the addition of the link was germane to the article on the 16th of March. Today's roster update must have accidentally merged our link out.

Would someone be kind enough to reinstate our link to the state of C. Fred's very nice last edit?

GladiatorsFan1 (Steve Hampton) GladiatorsForum.org

GladiatorsFan1 23:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Got it. (And thank you for not re-adding your own link, but leaving somebody else to do it! That'll get you my vote as one of tonight's three stars. :) ) —C.Fred (talk) 00:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, C. Fred, that's quite alright. This Wiki thing is too new to me and I know less than enough to be dangerous, here. :)

Three stars -- Heck, I'll take that skate around the rink right now :)

And thank for your refinement on 16 March, too! We want to play nice here while at the same time raise our Google search hits.

GladiatorsFan1 00:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

 * ooops! I think I know what might have happened.  Someone had messed up the flag tags on the roster, and I reverted the page, to the most recent correct edit, and I guess because the URL was added either before or after it got removed.  Sorry XD

Sparky-sama 03:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I think someone might have merged-out this link again. Would someone please add back http://gladiatorsforum.org to the External Links section for me?

Thanks!

GladiatorsFan1 (talk) 07:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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ECHL Transition from Ties to Overtime
It appears that the ECHL went from having ties to having OT, so the stats I found at http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/echl1989.html look different for the 2006--2007 and 2007--2008 seasons than from previous seasons. The current season-by-season record chart only has a column for ties. How should it be modified to accommodate the change?

Keebler (talk) 00:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Affiliation
The dropping of the Blackhawks from the NHL affiliation (and the related AHL team) is backed up by this press release from the Gladiators. —C.Fred (talk) 21:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Future after Tharchers?
Just wanted to know what will become of the team now, hope they move into Phillips Arena, rename "Atlanta (or Georgia) Gladiators", and show the NHL and everyone that Atlanta is a hockey city they shouldn't have left out to dry. --110.32.75.69 (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Split proposal
A separate Mobile Mysticks article should be created, rather than just having a redirect to this page. The team does not carry the Mysticks history. As such, historical and statistical data for the Mysticks should be moved to an article specific to that team.  Cjmclark (Contact) 16:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have created the article and am sourcing and expanding it.  Cjmclark (Contact) 17:46, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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Verifiability
This article's introduction contains conjectural statements ("The Everblades are thought of as a model franchise for the ECHL," "The Everblades' fanbase is also considered to be one of the best in the league") that are not supported by the supplied references. Please reword this section in such a fashion that ensures it meets the encyclopedic intent of Wikipedia. Cjmclark (talk) 21:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Weasel words
While I appreciate the attempt to fix the issues I listed above, unfortunately the sentences in question still employ weasel words. It is not sufficient to say that the "Everblades are thought of by many in the ECHL as a model franchise" without having a source that clearly indicates that multiple individuals in the ECHL actually do think of them as such (not to mention that a model franchise ideally would have won the league championship at least once). Similarly, sourcing the team's attendance statistics does not support the statement that the "Everblades' fanbase is also considered to be one of the best in the league". You would need to have a source that directly states that many people (and ideally it would specify who those people are) consider the fanbase as such.

As far as sourcing, ideally the article would be supported primarily by reliable secondary sources such as newspapers. This is not to say that the ECHL and team websites aren't valid sources for information, but they shouldn't be the primary sources that the article depends on...they should be mostly for supporting data such as statistics and roster information. Google news can be extremely helpful in this regard, especially searching the archives. I would also check the website for the local newspaper for articles about the team.  Cjmclark (Contact) 02:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Gailvila, thank you for your work on this article. We're almost there with the weasel word thing. Wikipedia can only report facts, and phrases such as "The Everblades are a model franchise in the ECHL..." and "The Everblades' fanbase is also one of the best in the league..." are opinion statements. A better way to word this would be to let the facts speak for themselves, i.e. "The Everblades have not missed the playoffs in any of their thirteen seasons and have made two appearances in the Kelly Cup Finals. The Everblades' fanbase has finished first in the league in attendance 5 times, and never lower than fourth." You could then remove the "This is according to the ECHL website" bit. Would you be amenable to this wording?  Cjmclark (Contact) 17:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, please see this page at WikiProject Ice Hockey for an example of how the page structure and layout should ideally look. The WikiProject is a great resource and I have gone there many times for assistance with hockey-related articles. Cheers.  Cjmclark (Contact) 17:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

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Last bullet about unruly fan is superfluous, unsubstantiated, personal attack, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.183.129 (talk) 01:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Ontario Hockey League

OHL Records
Some of the records listed on this page. The source quoted (OHL website) does not have a date on it. One example of an incorrect record is most points in a season which which should belong to the London Knights (120 in 2004-05). Nuttster99 (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The records for fewest goals against in a season and longest win streak are also both wrong and are (I believe) held by London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_OHL_season#London.27s_2004.E2.80.9305_Undefeated_Streak) Nuttster99 (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed the section altogether as per WP:NOTSTATS. The same information is available from the OHL web site itself. Flibirigit (talk) 23:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Nationals/Knights
Hockeydb says that the London Knights were re-renamed the London Nationals in 1970-71, but they were not. I have a program from 1970-71 and can assure everyone that the team was never re-renamed; after becoming the Knights, they stayed under than name. BoojiBoy 12/01/05

Updating link
Anyone else think that we should consider linking "OHL" to the OHL? The other links, or at least the German punk band, are/is insignificant enough that I think it merits redirection. -Storminnorman789
 * There is already a disambiguation page for anyone searching for OHL. I think that is sufficient. Flibirigit 12:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Trophies
It's fairly trivial, but should there be a set way to show trophy winners? Specifically, should we list them from most recent to least, or vice-versa? -Storminnorman789
 * I believe ALL lists should be chronological from past to present. Even the name plates engraved on the trophies start with the earliest at the top. Flibirigit 12:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I feel the opposite; that the most recent winners are most deserving of recognition. This is the way most lists are organized on league sites and such. However, I am not going to be bothered to do the time-consuming cut and paste required to standardize the lists; and if someone else wants to re-standardize them according to an oldest-first format I wouldn't object either. BoojiBoy 15:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

OHL History
Due to the age of the OHA and OHL, a new article has been to created to adequately document the events that make up the coloured history of this longstanding organization.
 * See: Ontario Hockey League history Flibirigit 20:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Member teams and standings redundancy
It strikes me that there is no need to list both the member teams as well as the current league standings, which also lists all of the member teams. Add in the infobar at the bottom of the page, and the same information is listed three times. I've been thinking of adding the final standings for on the WHL page as well, and I might add it in place of the list of member teams in that article. IMO, such articles are unnecessaraly long because of this redundant information. Would anyone object if the member teams category was removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Resolute (talk • contribs)

 * The Member Teams section of each league article is essential to the history and make up the league. The standings are not an essential part of the article, and in general standings are not found on the majority of league articles. Flibirigit 02:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The standings and playoffs should be moved to a separate page. --Curlingstub.png Earl Andrew - talk 03:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I was planning on moving this info to the 2006 OHL season page at the end of the playoffs. For the 2006-2007 season, the standings/stats should be kept on the page for the season. Flibirigit 13:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I was wondering if anyone has access to past OHL Priority Selections. That would be a great addition to the page.  I've been searching for ages trying to find a kid I played with that I know was drafted in 2003, but I can't find the draft anywhere online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.71.37.170 (talk • contribs)

2006 Playoffs Bracket
Does anybody else think that that looks really cool? I do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Storminnorman789 (talk • contribs)
 * At the conclusion of the 2006 playoffs please include it on the article summarizing the 2006 OHL season. Flibirigit 02:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The playoff bracket has been deleted due to copyright violation. Those who want a copy can download it at OHLGraphix.com. BoojiBoy, 23:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There is one at 2006 Memorial Cup. It's not as fancy, but it's easier to update. --Curlingstub.png Earl Andrew - talk 02:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize for having the graphic removed, but the person who posted it was portraying it was their personal own work and I the owner and designer at ohlgraphix.com had no contact whatsoever on my work being displayed here... There is too many complications with it being posted on here... but everyone feel free to set it as your background by heading over to my site... OHLGraphix.com . User:ReLyT, 4:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Question
Being an American, I don't know much about this, but what do junior hockey players between 15-17 do for schooling? Do the provinces give them a waiver or must they sign some educational waiver? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.190.230.57 (talk • contribs)
 * Players in the OHL attend secondary schools nearby to the team the play for. Those who have graudated high school, attend college/university part time, either by commuting or correspondence. The junior teams provide a stipend and academic guidance. Flibirigit 18:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Map
I made a map of the teams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ohl.JPG (was curious where all the towns were.) Not sure if it's up to snuff or if someone wants to make it look prettier, and I wasn't sure where it should go in the article, and didn't want to just move things around. So I'll let someone here handle that. The WHL article seems a bit more polished, everything's put into tables, and this page is a little cluttered with game photos. Just my opinion though, haven't read through the discussions, take it all as you will.Doregasm 06:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The map is not current as Brampton is still there instead of North Bay. It should be fixed to what will be there next season which also has Belleville moved to Hamilton and Plymouth moved to Flint. 24.141.168.108 (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Logos
The Current member teams logos ARE used directly from the Wikipedia page of each team and do not violated fair use laws. Otherwise, every team logo MUST be removed from each team page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.21.103 (talk • contribs)
 * I'm sorry, you have it backwards. Logos are coprighted and are only able to be used under fair use for the teams themselves, not the league articles. Please read WP:FU. Flibirigit 15:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:OntarioHockeyLeague.png
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Map is out of date
And I'm not just talking about Belleville and Plymouth moving to Hamilton and Flint respectively. The Battalion moved to North Bay two seasons ago, but the map still denotes Brampton. Could someone make a new one please? Though there may be some division realignment to wait for. James  Duggan  08:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Map removed
The map I created to add to this page was removed because it is "huge and disrupts article". I don't follow this logic at all, the map fits beside the table of teams in all but the narrowest of screens, at which point the table itself because unreadable. It was not a perfect map, because I was forced to use a map of all of Ontario to show the northmost teams, but I do not see how it was disruptive. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The map placement disrupted the team list and broke it into two. The map itself was way too big, but when reduced became unreadable. Another smaller map must be produced showing a smaller area of southern Ontario, NY/ Michigan. 64.229.245.159 (talk) 20:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Has anyone else seen the behaviour described, ie the team list breaking in two? I'm just curious as to how that happens since I have not been able to reproduce it. As noted above wikipedia's southern ontario map does not include the necessary area, so I do not plan on addressing that part of the complaint anytime soon. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

 * The map was way too big. I'm sure something smaller can be made. Flibirigit (talk) 22:54, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

could you please look at the coordinates for Hamilton, Ontario. The city renders in the middle of Lake Erie. Thanks! Flibirigit (talk) 12:00, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a typo - anyone could have fixed it. A;l 20 teams display on this map instead of the 19 on the previous one. MB 14:57, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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"Winningest"?
Is that an actual word? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.138.179.83 (talk) 21:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

As per the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, 'winningest' is indeed an actual word. Gregdox (talk) 17:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Owen Sound Attack

Should this page be merged with the Owen Sound Platers page? There is lots of good information there, but I don't think it needs to be on a separate page just because the team changed names. Priester (talk) 21:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Team Logo
The team has changed their logo. It is just the name Owen Sound over a bears head. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.247.30 (talk) 17:48, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Image:Erie third jersey.jpg
Image:Erie third jersey.jpg has been orphaned. Flibirigit (talk) 22:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Updating info/rewriting stuff
Just wanted to throw out a head's up that I'm working on an updated version of the page. If anyone has comments or ideas let me know. Infero Veritas (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Connor Price
This article is necessary. The current one is about an actor, and I do not suggest it be removed, but we need one for the new goaltender fill-in for the March 4 game against the Niagara Ice Dogs. He is considered notable as he's received nationwide coverage. CycloneGU (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

McDavid Era?
Was the team just about McDavid during this time, as that's how that section reads. 86.157.232.44 (talk) 19:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No it wasn't. The first two years he was there Connor Brown was arguably the best player (and was OHL player of the year and leading scorer in the CHL in 2013/14) and Dane Fox was also an important part of the team.  Strome was prominent in 014/15 and was the team's leading scorer.  That section should be re-written in a more neutral way and the heading should be changed IMO. GLG GLG (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Troy Timpano
Troy Timpano is listed as being American, but also as being born in Canada. Considering that he is listed as being born in the exact same place as the player above him, I'm guessing that it's a mistake. 99.248.171.62 (talk) 05:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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Robert Cochran (TV producer)

Robert Cochran (also credited as Bob Cochran) is the co-creator of the television series 24. Before that, he and Joel Surnow wrote and produced for the television series The Commish. Cochran had also written for shows such as L.A. Law, Falcon Crest and JAG. Cochran and Surnow later created and produced the television series La Femme Nikita and later also served as the series consultants. His production company is Real Time Productions. In 2006, the duo made partnership with Howard Gordon, another 24 producer to develop projects at Fox under his Real Time Productions company.

In 2007, he created the TV show pilots, Company Man with David Ehrman and also The Call with David Hemingson, both of which went unsold. In 2014 he returned to write for 24: Live Another Day. In 2016, he wrote on the spin-off series 24: Legacy.

In 2019, Cochran published a young adult fantasy novel, The Sword and the Dagger.

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Talk:Oshawa Generals

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Article Size
Due to all the history and stats (season-by-season records and playoff results) I have added, the article size is quite large. I would suggest splitting the article in half, perhaps putting the stats separately? Any ideas? Flibirigit 01:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I have added, much, much more history to the article and have tried to clarify the confusion. Please review. Flibirigit 10:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Whitby Dunlops
The Oshawa Generals were never known as the Whitby Dunlops, who were a senior team. Bobby Orr played for the Generals for four years before entering the NHL in 1966 (as we see here, so clearly the team was not from 1956 to 1964 a senior team operating as the Whitby Dunlops (Orr was 18 when he entered the NHL; senior hockey has a minimum age of 21).
 * This says otherwise, OHL arena guide -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

If you read it closely, it doesn't. It's just sloppily written. The Whitby Dunlops were a senior team -- their star in '58 was Pete Babando, who started playung in the NHL in '45. The world championship is played for by senior teams. And Bobby Orr could not have played for the Oshawa Generals if they were called the Whitby Dunlops. You will find no source that says he played for Whitby. John FitzGerald 21:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It doesn't mention that the Dunlops were a Senior team. Perhaps there was a junior team, and a senior team? -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Good point. My ancient memories don't recall a Whitby team in Junior A, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. They weren't the ones to win the world championship, though. Anyway, a little research will straighten this out. John FitzGerald 16:27, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I finally got round to doing some research, which amounted to checking the OHA Junior A standings in December of every year from 1951 to 1963. The Generals do not appear in those standings from the 52-53 season to the 62-63 season. That suggests they may have dropped into a lower tier for those seasons. The problem is that people weren't as obsessed with sports in those days, so there weren't any lower-tier standings to check in the early years of that gap. However, a Whitby junior team showed up in the Metro Junior A standings after the fire happened. If I can find microfilms of the Oshawa and Whitby papers for the period I can probably sort that out, as well as whether the Whitby junior team was also called the Dunlops.

So, the Generals may well have been listed as a Whitby junior team for some years. The senior Dunlops only show up in the Senior A standings for three seasons, 56-57 to 58-59. I think the assertion that the Generals won the world title as the Dunlops can safely be removed, since that was a senior title. John FitzGerald 19:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Generals/Dunlops
According to A History of the Oshawa Generals by Babe Brown, Bobby Attersley, and Bill Kurelo, a fan's history which was "written with the permission of the Oshaw Generals", the team which moved to Whitby to become the Dunlops was the Oshawa Truckmen, a senior team with several former Generals on it. After the fire Oshawa had no junior team at any level until 1958, when the Generals started playing in the Metro Junior A (in which Whitby had a separate team called the Dunlops).

I had to piece this together from different parts of the book. The section about the fire contains one ambiguous passage which could lead you to the conclusion that the Generals became the Dunlops (and which may have been the original source of the confusion), but elsewhere it's clearly stated that the Generals were disbanded immediately after the fire and that there was no junior hockey again in Oahawa till 1960. The team which moved to Whitby is also called Wren Blair's team, which, we learn elsewhere, was the Truckmen.

Anyway, that seems to solve the mystery for me, so I removed the bit about the Dunlops. There's a lot more in the book, though, with which I hope to flesh out the article. John FitzGerald 20:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Why does the article state two different dates (1908 on the left side and 1953 on the right)? I hope you can work this one through as well. :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. The first OHA team, according to Brown, started play in 1908, and the name was changed to the Generals in 1937 when GM took over. That team continued play through 1953, then did not play again till 1960, when it was "reactivated." 1953 seems unlikely to be the right date, but I suppose there are circumstances in which that could have been true. The question is whether the team which began playing in 1960 was really a continuation of the old team or a new organziation altogether, so I'll see what I can find about that. I saw another, later history of the Generals some years ago, so I'll look for that. John FitzGerald

 * What was the name of the team in 1908? -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't say. By the late 20s they were known as the Shamrocks, but as their original uniforms were orange and black that wasn't likely their name to begin with. In the 30s they were Oshawa Majors. May not have had a name to begin with. John FitzGerald

 * Turns out they had a few other names, too, including the Generals, before 1937. I changed the date on the right to 1937-1938 to be consistent. It seems the best bet at the moment, but I'll look into it some more. I added a brief history and some more players.

New Arena's Name
Quoted from the Oshawa Generals web site:
 * The Oshawa Gardens, also known as the Oshawa Sports and Entertainment Complex will have a new name as of Thursday. A corporate sponsor for the new arena has been found, with an official announcement coming on Thursday. . Flibirigit 01:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The General Motors Centre was announced October 5th, 2006. Flibirigit 02:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

DON BATTEN IN THE 1940"S
WHY IS THERE NO UPDATE OR INFORMATION ON DON BATTEN WHO HAS SCORED THE FASTEST GOAL IN OHA HISTORY FROM THE STARTING WHISTLE OF PLAY OFFS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.43 (talk • contribs)

 * If you would like to mention it, please add it. I would suggest adding it with the 1944 Memorial Cup. Here is an online source to use. Don Batten - Cornwall Sports Hall of Fame. Flibirigit 19:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

UNIDENTIFIED JERSEY
I HAVE A GENERALS JERSEY SITTING IN MY GARAGE #10 OF WHICH I ACQUIRED AND HAVE NO IDEA FROM AND DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA WHOS NUMBER THIS WOULD BE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.43 (talk • contribs)

Stephen Colbert Vs. Generals Addition?
I think that the little scuffle between this team and Stephen Colbert should be mentioned or perhaps even get its own section. If that happens, the article should be tagged with a "Current Event" banner as long as this lasts. Any thoughts?--Dark Green 23:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The section exists as an article on the TV show. Also, it's an extremely minor event within the history of the team. Flibirigit 02:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I can see it as a minor event, but it's still a part of the team's history. I could also see it as a major event, as this puts this team on an international stage of pop culture. I mean, nobody would know about this team unless they lived in that part of Ontario and had a kid in hockey. It's like saying that the Beatles playing on the Ed Sullivan show was a very minor part of the show's history. Well, not on the same sacle, but you see the point I'm trying to make. I feel that, if this article is truly to be comprehensive, we need to mention this.--Dark Green 19:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A toned down section would be more appropriate for Mayor John Gray's page, or the local radio station, KX96. The team itself did not initiate the publicity stunt. Flibirigit 02:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Number 9 retired twice?
How is this possible? How did it get "unofficially retired" for Bruce Melanson when it was already retired for Red Tilson? BsroiaadnTalk 00:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The uniform # 9 was consitently worn for the Oshawa Generals after Red Tilson's death, up until Bruce Melanson's death. Since Melanson's death, the number has never been worn. The number was officially retired for Tilson on November 11, 2006, at a special Remembrance Day ceremony. Flibirigit 03:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Oshawa Hambly Arena.jpg
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Team Captains
Here is an imcomplete list of team captains. I hope someone can fill in the blanks. Flibirigit (talk) 18:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

List

 * 1937–38 – x
 * 1938–39 – Billy Taylor
 * 1939–40 – Jud McAtee
 * 1940–41 – x
 * 1941–42 – x
 * 1942–43 – x
 * 1943–44 – x
 * 1944–45 – x
 * 1945–46 – x
 * 1946–47 – Phil Samis
 * 1947–48 – x
 * 1948–49 – x
 * 1949–50 – Frank Sullivan
 * 1950–51 – x
 * 1951–52 – Bobby Attersley
 * 1952–53 – x

 * 1962–63 – x
 * 1963–64 – Danny O'Shea
 * 1964–65 – Ron Buchanan
 * 1965–66 – Bobby Orr
 * 1966–67 – Nick Beverly
 * 1967–68 – John Clayton
 * 1968–69 – x
 * 1969–70 – Bob Stewart
 * 1970–71 – Terry O'Reilly
 * 1971–72 – Doug Ferguson
 * 1972–73 – Lee Fogolin
 * 1973–74 – Lee Fogolin
 * 1974–75 – Bud Stefanski
 * 1975–76 – Greg Malone
 * 1976–77 – Bob Gladney
 * 1977–78 – Ray Irwin
 * 1978–79 – x
 * 1979–80 – Jim Mellon
 * 1980–81 – Steve Konroyd
 * 1981–82 – Mitch Lamoureux
 * 1982–83 – Joe Cirella
 * 1983–84 – John MacLean
 * 1984–85 – John Stevens
 * 1985–86 – John Stevens
 * 1986–87 – Jim Paek
 * 1987–88 – Sean Williams
 * 1988–89 – x
 * 1989–90 – Iain Fraser
 * 1990–91 – Paul O'Hagan
 * 1991–92 – Brian Grieve
 * 1992–93 – Scott Hollis
 * 1993–94 – Sean Brown
 * 1994–95 – Darryl Lafrance
 * 1995–96 – Jeff Ware
 * 1996–97 – Ryan Lindsay
 * 1997–98 – Peter Hogan
 * 1998–99 – Bryan Allen
 * 1999–00 – Brent Gauvreau
 * 2000–01 – Brandon Cullen / Kevin Mitchell
 * 2001–02 – Chris Minard
 * 2002–03 – Jamie Johnson
 * 2003–04 – Tobias Whelan
 * 2004–05 – Brett Trudell
 * 2005–06 – Peter Tsimikalis
 * 2006–07 – Eric Regan
 * 2007–08 – Eric Regan
 * 2008–09 – John Tavares

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Talk:Plymouth Whalers

Movement of Content
New articles have been edited to chronicle the history of the Detroit Compuware Ambassadors, the Detroit Jr. Red Wings, and the Detroit Whalers. Some of the content that was on the Plymouth Whalers article has been move to help fill those articles. Flibirigit 23:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't completely agree with that. It is the same franchise the entire time, and it's history is all a part of the whole. Pat Peake was an Ambassador, but was retired as a Whaler. I think there should be a detailed history the moves from era to era under each team name, but it should be one flowing article. At bare minimum, leave the Detroit Whalers a part of the current page. My defense: Los Angeles Angels.

All teams in the Ontario Hockey League have the same format. Flibirigit 01:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Again, this is ludicrous that there isn't information listed from the previous monikers. The team is a FRANCHISE and all of what happened in Detroit Compuware Ambassadors, the Detroit Jr. Red Wings, and the Detroit Whalers is a part of the franchise history. I recommend merging the four into one Plmyouth Whalers page. --35.11.131.117 (talk) 02:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Against a merger. I agree with Flibirigit's old argument.  DMighton (talk) 01:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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 * 'Fair use completed. Flibirigit 17:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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title: Talk:Plymouth Whalers


text: Talk:Saginaw Spirit

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