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Tanasi

Tanasi (ᏔᎾᏏ; also rendered Tanase, Tenasi, Tenassee, Tunissee, Tennessee, and other such variations) was a historic Overhill settlement site in present-day Monroe County, Tennessee, in the southeastern United States. The village became the namesake for the state of Tennessee. It was abandoned by the Cherokee in the 19th century for a rising town whose chief was more powerful. Tanasi served as the de facto capital of the Overhill Cherokee from as early as 1721 until 1730, when the capital shifted to Great Tellico.

The Cherokee town of Chota developed immediately north of and later than Tanasi. The two sites were divided by an unnamed stream. By the 1740s, Chota had become the more prominent of the two towns, holding the townhouse where the community met, and chiefs would meet with colonial emissaries. Although Chota and Tanasi had distinct political, social, and demographic traits, research excavators in the late 1960s determined that the two towns are archaeologically indistinguishable. They were among the numerous Overhill Towns, as called by English colonists, who traveled over the Appalachian Mountains from the east to reach them. The two towns are grouped as a single listing on the National Register of Historic Places, although Tanasi was given its own site designation (40MR62) in 1972.

Both sites were submerged by creation of Tellico Reservoir, after completion of a dam on the Little Tennessee River in 1979. Archeological surveys were conducted of these sites in the 1970s prior to their flooding, and thousands of artifacts were recovered.

In the 1980s, the Tennessee Valley Authority placed a monument on the shoreline above the submerged site of Tanasi that commemorates its history and its legacy as the origin of the name Tennessee. This monument is approximately 7 mi southeast of Vonore, just off Highway 455 (Citico Road). The site is managed by the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Nation.

Geography

The Little Tennessee River flows northwestward from North Carolina from its source in the Appalachian Mountains in Georgia. It traverses a 40 mi stretch of northern Monroe County before emptying into the Tennessee River near Lenoir City. In 1979, the construction of Tellico Dam at the mouth of the river created a reservoir that spans the lower 33 mi of the Little Tennessee and the lower 22 mi of its tributary, the Tellico River, flooding former important Cherokee town sites. Tanasi was located along the west bank of the Little Tennessee 27 mi upstream from the river's mouth. The site was opposite a sharp bend in the river known as Bacon's Bend.

Tanasi was situated on a relatively flat terrace flanked by the river on one side and a series of high, steep hills on the other. These hills, noted on Timberlake's 1762 map, are part of the Appalachian Ridge-and-Valley Province, which spans much of the upper Tennessee Valley. The Appalachian Range proper rises a few miles south of the Chota-Tanasi site.

History

Tanasi first appears in the historical record in the early 18th century, at a time when the fur trade between the English and the Cherokee had grown to the extent that the colonists wanted to regulate it. Ethnologist James Mooney reported that the meaning of the town's name is unknown, but noted that it was used for other places among Cherokee lands in Tennessee and North Carolina. The Cherokee name for the river upon which Tanasi was situated was probably Callamaco. Early Euro-American explorers and traders renamed the river after Tanasi.

Among the earliest English traders to reside at Tanasi was Eleazar Wiggan— nicknamed "Old Rabbit" by the Cherokee— who operated out of Tanasi as early as 1711. He also served as a guide for later colonial diplomats and emissaries.

In 1725, the province of South Carolina dispatched Colonel George Chicken to Tanasi to obtain Cherokee assistance in the colony's struggles with the Creek. Chicken indicated in his journals that the chief of Tanasi— known as the Tanasi Warrior or Head Warrior of Tanasi— ruled over the Cherokee Overhill, Middle, and Valley towns in the region. (But this would have been unusual. The designation of Middle and Valley Towns generally referred to groups of towns on the eastern side of the Appalachians in Western North Carolina. Kituwa was chief among the Middle Towns. Not only was Cherokee society highly decentralized and the towns generally exercised considerable autonomy under their own chiefs, but travel between these territories was difficult in the mountainous region.) Chicken recorded a speech in which the Tanasi Warrior pledged support for the English. The two later engaged in a pipe-smoking session in which the Tanasi Warrior told Chicken of recent Creek hostilities in the area. Colonel John Herbert visited Tanasi on a similar mission in 1727 and reported meeting with the "King and Long Warriour" of Tanasi at the Cherokee townhouse.

In 1730, Sir Alexander Cuming, a trader claiming to be an emissary of King George II, journeyed to Tanasi and obtained the Tanasi Warrior's allegiance for England. As evidence of his success, Cuming sought an esteemed symbolic headdress known as the Crown of Tanasi— described as resembling a wig made of dyed possum hair— which he hoped to present to the king of England. To obtain this headdress, Cuming enlisted the aid of Moytoy, chief of Great Tellico. Cuming used his flamboyance to convince the Cherokee to crown Moytoy "Emperor of the Cherokee." In exchange, Moytoy obtained the headdress sought by Cuming. Cuming departed for England shortly thereafter, taking with him a party that included Eleazar Wiggan, future Cherokee leader Attakullakulla, and two Tanasi warriors named Clogoittah and Oukanaekah to present to the king.

The crowning of Moytoy in 1730 shifted the Cherokee center of power to Great Tellico, which was situated along the Tellico River roughly 16 mi southwest of Tanasi. After the death of Moytoy in 1741, however, Old Hop, the chief of Chota, began to consolidate power. The influence of Chota soon overshadowed that of Tanasi, and by the early 1750s, Chota had become the more dominant town. In 1765, Henry Timberlake, who had visited the Overhill towns as an emissary in 1761–1762, reported 12 dwellings and 21 warriors at Tanasi, and identified Old Hop as chief of both Chota and Tanasi. In 1775, the Tanasi Warrior was among the chiefs who signed a treaty with the Watauga Association of Carolina colonists, who wanted to create an independent jurisdiction west of the mountains, in what became Tennessee.

Tanasi's relationship with Chota

Tanasi's relationship with Chota has long puzzled historians and archaeologists. Some have speculated that the two towns were a single community with two districts and two governments, not unlike the situation that reportedly existed in Great Tellico and Chatuga around the same time. Archeological excavators in the early 1970s noted virtually no differences in the types of cultural materials and features uncovered at the two village sites, which had developed on either side of a creek. 18th-century traders and diplomats, however, clearly identified these as two separate towns.

Tanasi was reported by Euro-American traders from their first explorations in the region in the early 18th century, but Chota does not appear in the historical record until around 1745. The maps of John Herbert and George Hunter, drawn in 1727 and 1730, respectively, show Tanasi but not Chota. In 1746, English agent George Pawley met with Cherokee leaders at the Chota townhouse, indicating Chota had usurped Tanasi as the more dominant town. Missionary William Richardson visited the Overhill towns in the late 1750s and described Chota and Tanasi as being separated by a "small river." Richardson's description is supported by Timberlake's 1762 map, which recorded the two towns' sites.

Archaeological findings
Cyrus Thomas, working for the Smithsonian Institution's Bureau of Ethnology in the late 1880s, conducted a mound survey at the Chota-Tanasi site. Thomas reported the discovery of 13 burials and several artifacts.

In 1939, Thomas Lewis and Madeline Kneburg directed an excavation at the Chota-Tanasi site with funding by the Works Progress Administration to pay for laborers. Lewis and Kneburg, who were searching for cultural data with which to compare their earlier finds at Hiwassee Island, uncovered 22 burials, 85 pit features, 982 postmolds, and one structure.

With the sites threatened by flooding from a dam and reservoir project, between 1969 and 1974, University of Tennessee archaeologists conducted excavations at the Chota-Tanasi site to establish history and recover as many artifacts as possible. Two excavations—one in 1970 and one in 1972—were focused specifically on Tanasi.

Although artifacts dating to the Archaic period (and even a fluted projectile point dating to the Paleo-Indian period) were uncovered at the Chota-Tanasi sites, the excavations were focused mostly on the period of Cherokee occupation. Investigators hoped to identify the locations of each town and to find evidence that might define the Cherokee peoples' relationship to those occupying the area in the South Appalachian Mississippian culture-era (c. 1000–1600 A.D.).

The 1972 excavations uncovered 191 features, 22 burials, 1005 postmolds, and 6 structures at the Tanasi site alone. Two townhouses were uncovered at the Chota-Tanasi sites, one of which was slightly smaller and older than the other. The older of the two townhouses may have been the Tanasi townhouse, which traders and emissaries had reported in the 1720s. But, it is also possible that the older townhouse was an earlier version of the Chota townhouse, and that excavators failed to uncover the Tanasi townhouse. The older townhouse had a diameter of just over 50 ft. In 1986, the remains of the 22 burials uncovered at Tanasi—along with those uncovered at Chota—were reinterred in a burial mound at the Sequoyah Museum near Vonore.

Resources

 * Mooney, James. "Myths of the Cherokee" (1900, reprint 1995).
 * Mooney, James. "Myths of the Cherokee" (1900, reprint 1995).
 * Mooney, James. "Myths of the Cherokee" (1900, reprint 1995).

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Talk:Todd Bertuzzi

More Playing Career Information
There's only a tiny blurb on his playing career and since it's quite long and successful, a lot more time should be given to it. The way it stands, the article's just about Steve Moore and there's a lot more to Todd Bertuzzi than that. -RomeW 08:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Has there been conclusive evidence that Moore's injury was the result of a punch? I beleive he sustained Injury when his own player and others piled on top during the mele'.

July-2008

To the first comment above, the only reason Bertuzzi gets this much airtime in Wiki is because he maimed Moore. Otherwise he is just a pretty good international player. To the next comment above, regardless of which punch caused Moore's injury, it was Bertuzzi's attack which led to the maiming of Moore. Bertuzzi will be forever infamous and remembered for this reason alone; it will be noted in the first sentence of his obituary. -Jrgilb, April 2009

The Steve Moore incident - The Martin St. Louis hit et al
The legality of the original hit on Naslund is debatable at best. Also added background information about Moores hit from behind on St. Louis. The background information is important - the prevailing view among the US Media and non hockey fans is of the "goon" Bertuzzi attacking a rookie. Moore was developing a reputation as an unskilled headhunter all by himself prior to the neck breaking incident.

CanadianPhaedrus 20:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC)Canadian Phaedrus

 * Please cite a source that shows that the Naslund hit was 'debatable at best'.
 * Moore's hit on St. Louis has no bearing on Todd Bertuzzi whatsoever, it doesn't belong. I would tell you to add it to the Steve Moore page, but you already have done. Regardless of what you or I feel the prevailing view in the media is, we can only present the facts pertinent to the incident. It might sound to an observer as though you were trying to justify Bertuzzi's thuggery. Oh, and incidentally, please don't remove anything from this page. The 'Show Preview' button is your friend! ;) --DarrenBaker 09:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Any video of the original hit on Naslund would be fine - but I have yet to find it hosted on the internet aside from an old Rapidshare account that is no longer active. This article really needs a link to that video so that a reader can come to their own conclusions. The fact that there were formal complaints made to the league and the statements by the Vancouver management and coaching staff indicate the hit is of questionable legality. I had the ESPN source linked - I will add it as a reference to the original statement.

 * The St. Louis hit has bearing - it helps to establish the context of his hit on Steve Moore. Your opinion is that the hit is of no bearing - clearly there are differing opinions. The fact that he made a second head hunting hit is pertinent to the incident - it explains why Bertuzzi desired the fight. Your view is of Bertuzzi's "thuggery". While its a shame he broke his neck, reviewing the actions of Moore that led to the incident frame Bertuzzi's response.  His actions had cause:  It was not an unprovoked attack. In short - the circumstances leading to the hit need to be presented.

 * Incidentally - please do not remove any of my additions to the article. If they were falsehoods it would be one thing - but removing factual information that gives context to the incident is ridiculous and undermines Wikipedia as a resource. So long as the information posted is fact - it is not your choice which information readers are allowed to see.  The aim is to have a majority of views presented - not just the ones you agree with. With your self proclaimed lack of interest in hockey and this incident you should not be removing information regarding it.

 * CanadianPhaedrus 04:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)User: CanadianPhaedrus

 * The fact that someone complains about a referree's ruling in a hockey game does not make questionable in any way. I would think that the league's ruling bears this out. If it were in fact questionable, it isn't now, since the league found it unquestionably legal, and as such, you cannot use the word 'questionable' in the context of the hit. But this is completely moot, because it simply does not belong in the article. Using the framing argument, we should include every bit of drama that ever occurred in Moore's hockey career to offset the facts, making the article POV.
 * Various mainstream news outlets had called for the NHL to suspend Moore for the (in the MSN's view) illegal hit, nothing is online of course but it is in TV archive tapes. I think that information is critical to the background of the article, removing it makes Bertuzzi look like even more of a villan and presents POV issues. Tawker 01:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

 * This article presents facts on the incident, and direct motivation. By inserting an unrelated fact, however truthful it is, you skew the balance of the article. Keep the fact in the Steve Moore page, which this page links to. If people want to read about Moore as a player, they can click on the link. Hell, you could also put it on the Martin St. Louis page!

 * My self-proclaimed lack of interest in hockey notwithstanding, I would like to keep this article unbiased. People who edit this article fall generally into two camps: Those who think Bertuzzi is a devil, and those who feel Moore deserved it. I won't let either camp ruin what is at the moment quite an unbiased article. As such, I will exercise my ability to revert any biased info anyone places on this page. If you doubt my objectivity, I suggest you look at the article before I first edited it. It was atrociously biased. I'm attempting to keep the peace here. --DarrenBaker 06:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

 * When there is a formal complaint to the league made, and public statements the hit is debatable.
 * Clearly we are debating the legality of the hit on this talk page - hence the phrase "of debatable legality".
 * Not every bit of drama would be warranted - I agree with that statement. But a second headhunting hit 5 days before the 'incident' against a player Bertuzzi routinely plays and practices with is relevant - your opinon notwithstanding.
 * The information present is fact - and relevant to the article.
 * Facts are to be presented and conclusions drawn by the readers based upon all the information available - not just the information you feel deserves a place.
 * The circumstances leading to the incident are as important as the incident itself.
 * Adding the comment to St. Louis' page would not be relevant - the headhunting hit is of minor importance in his career, but when ::Moore had his neck broken in retaliation for a hit it instantly becomes relevant.

 * I am confused by how you feel it is not relevant? Circumstances are important - especially when talking about an retalitory 'attack'.
 * It would be like having an article about a car crash but someone choosing to omit the fact that the driver was intoxicated and that there was ice on the road.

 * My position is that though you may disagree with the information I have added - unless the information is a fabrication it deserves to stay in the article because it establishes the context of Bertuzzi's retalitory actions.

 * As a side note - if you are truly concerned about the information in the article - perhaps a Neutrality Disputed banner would solve the problem. It would indicate at least that the information is subject to debate.

 * If nothing else it might get a few differing opinions represented rather than just the two of us.

 * CanadianPhaedrus 18:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)CanadianPhaedrus

 * True enough. I see your argument, but I simply cannot agree. The way in which you add the info, and the inevitable conclusion the wording intentionally leads the readers to is disreputable. Everything in the history of the human race is debatable, that much is certain. The problem here is that you are making a statement of opinion by calling the legality 'questionable'. It is, because of the ruling, no longer questionable by the league. They made their decision, and so it is written as fact that it was a legal hit. Just as we have to refer to a murder suspect as a 'suspect', and an exonnerated suspect as 'not guilty', since the law has proved their innocence, we cannot use words that indicate an opinion. You also can't cite a quote by the GM as a source, you can only quote the quote, since it is in fact opinion, and therefore not a reliable source.

 * Furthermore, I just don't see the relavence of the hit on St. Louis to the Moore hit. Does it prove that Moore is a headhunter? Probably... I'd believe it. However, we don't have any statements in the article showing that Bertuzzi is either a goon or a thug, or indicating that he has a history of violence (which he in fact does). It simply outlines the major incidents leading up to and involving the hit on Moore. Our duty as Wikipedia editors is to present the incident simply, without a bunch of circuitous circumstances thrown in under the paper-thin pretense that they lend to 'context'. Moore hit Naslund, the Canucks took umbrage and, according to the NHL, allowed an atmosphere of vengeance to settle into the Canuck bench. Bertuzzi overdid it (I don't believe on purpose), and Moore got grievously injured. The NHL fined him and the team, and the police investigated. Whether or not Moore was a headhunter has no direct bearing on why Bertuzzi did what he did. The St. Louis hit is a minor character in this play, and really has nothing to say.

 * My opinion is this: people get hit and get hurt all the time in this stupid game, since a culture of brutality and vengeance thuggery pervades every club. Revenge hits and escalated violence are cheered on by otherwise intelligent people who don't quite understand that it's feeding their more basic instincts, and getting them more in touch with their reptilian emotions, which is a bad thing. But, like I said, that's my opinion, and it doesn't belong in the article.

 * I will work on the wording a bit and see how you like it. --DarrenBaker 21:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I have worked on the wording, and just could not justify adding anything regarding the St. Louis hit to the Steve Moore incident. If you can find a source that ties the two together, then I think it will be justified, but making the connection yourself would constitute original research, something not allowed here. I've gone ahead and put this debate on the mediation page, and hope we'll get some second and third opinions here soon. --DarrenBaker 06:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hello DarrenBaker and CanadianPhaedrus. I watch the Third Opinions page, where I saw a call for comment on the Bertuzzi/Moore issue as it relates to this page. I will weigh in and say that I do not believe the information on Moore's previous hit against St-Louis belongs here. Almost every hockey player has "questionable hits" in their history. This seems more an attempt to portray Moore as a goon.

 * I would not be adverse to this if it were true, but according to the source Hockey Database Moore had but 47 penalty minutes in his 69 NHL games. Bertuzzi, meanwhile, has had 987 penalty minutes in 674 games according to the same source. That gives Moore an average of 0.7 minutes in the box per game, and Bertuzzi 1.5 minutes, or more than double. RomaC 05:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your help, RomaC. --DarrenBaker 16:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I want to echo RomaC's comment that commenting on Moore more than simply to describe what happened, in a Bertuzzi article dilutes the article itself . The Bertuzzi hit on Moore reflects on Bertuzzi's character (passion for the game, excitability, poor judgment etc).  For Vancouver fans, the loss of Bertuzzi was huge.  Moore was the victim both legally and according to the NHL.  Any additional comments about Moore’s character should be put into his article. If there is further comment to be made on the hit itself, it would be to assess if Bertuzzi’s punishment has deterred others from making similar hits within the NHL, or the impact it had on the team’s success or their morale.  Best to you all. LinuxDude 06:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hello. A request was made on WP:3O for a third opinion on this page. The opinion is regarding the issue: Whether an section about Moore should be added to counterbalance a section about Bertuzzi.    My 3rd opinion is that "Yes, only if it is relevent, kept short, and NPOV, AND it adds something to the article. If only to illustrate a point, then it doesn't belong"      Thank you for flying delta.  ⇒    SWAT Jester   [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|18px|]]  Ready    Aim    Fire!  16:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that there should be mention of the following pile-up that occurred after the hit. It sounds like Bertuzzi hit the guy once, pushed him down, and he suffered 3 broken vertebrae, etc. Unlikely. This should mention that they both lost balance, and that players from both teams contributed to the pile-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.132.120 (talk) 21:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

3rd Opinion

 * Do not delete my comments here again Darren. ⇒    SWAT Jester   [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|18px|]]  Ready    Aim    Fire!  18:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Your comments were not deleted, they were moved to the archived discussion pages, of which this 3rd party request and resolution were a part. I will move the discussion back to this page to keep it in context. --DarrenBaker 18:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

This talk article isn't long enough yet to warrant an archive, neither was moving my less than 1 day old comments. ⇒   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  18:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

 * My apologies for trying to keep it organised. --DarrenBaker 19:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Rather than copying-and-pasting the contents of the talk page into an archive page, you should do a page move from Talk:Todd Bertuzzi to the archive page.

 * The rationale here is that we want to keep the edit history for the original discussion along with the archive. As it stands, the only person in the edit history for Talk:Todd Bertuzzi/Archive 1 is you. --Saforrest 22:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

vandalism?
Why is this in there? I'm assuming it was a vandal. "In mid June 2006, Bertuzzi was pulled over and charged with a DUI by one of Kitchener-Waterloos finest. Unconfirmed reports describe him as sucking at hockey." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.144.162 (talk • contribs)

 * Weird vandalism removed. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™ / ?!  04:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Update?
Has there been any word on Moore's lawsuit since it was filed in February? Cfrydj 22:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Joke?
Is this slipped in by a prankster? "He enjoys fishing in the offseason, his favorite fishes to catch are salmon, narwhal, bass, and chinook." --Shyland 03:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

...Never mind, the line about fishing was added by a known vandal(142.179.6.71 on 31 January 2007.) Removing it. --Shyland 03:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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Antonio Fontan
Looks like nonnotable vanity to me. CDC  (talk)  21:11, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable Dsmdgold 23:46, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unnotable resume promo. Tempshill 23:52, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, there is a notable person of this name that this article title should be used for. -- Karada 10:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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some photos in the commons
There are some photos in the commons of matty, so you could include them... -- Xgeorg

Nickname
Saving nickname for future use in prose. Marty Microphone -Djsasso (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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realtive to who? gordie howe? he played 14 seasons, for pete's sake. that's a career in anybody's book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toyokuni3 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Per Game Stats
I removed the line about Gretzky's numbers if he had retired after his first ten years. First of all, it's misleading because it's only true if you count the other players' full careers versus Gretzky's first ten years. A simple calculation from the individual player pages shows that Mario would've slightly edged out Gretzky in goals per game for their respective first ten years in the NHL with Bossy not that far behind. Also, it seems pointless to include a purely hypothetical stat (since Gretzky didn't retire after ten years) and particularly one about Gretzky when this page is about Mike Bossy.

Career Stats
I think that we need to add Bossy's career stats to this page. The write up is nice, but stats would make it a bit better.

Accomplishments Section
This section is turning an ad for Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky then subsequently a debate between Gretzky and Lemieux fans. Try to focus it on Bossy and if you are going to compare him to the two favorably don't follow it with three sentences intimating about how they are really way better. In situations like this I find it's always better to just try to keep it as brief as possible, get a succinct summary, and not get into an out of place long off-topic debate. Quadzilla99 21:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Saraceno's contribution
Considering how many NHL teams passed on Bossy, I don't see why a reference to Henry Saraceno's unusual role in bringing Bossy to the Islanders organization (he knew him as a youth in Laval and advocated his selection as an Islanders scout in '77) should be reverted and now omitted. It's well substantiated by numerous sources, including "Boss" by Bossy and Barry Meisel, it certainly doesn't run afoul of the NPOV guidelines, and it's certainly more pertinent and relevant to Bossy's career than the section on Wayne Gretzky's subjective evaluation of the man.
 * As it happens, I came across Saraceno in research today, and added info mentioning him. Echoedmyron (talk) 22:09, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Contradiction
FYI, the Mike Bossy article says he was ranked 20th on this list. One of them is wrong. (Oops, meant to put this on the 100 best NHL players list, which claims Bossy was ranked #1. The contradiction applies to this article as well, so whatever)

How can he be a 1st overall pick if he was passed over by several teams: 1st round 15th overall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.13.236 (talk) 03:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

goals per game record
"Bossy's dominance is exemplified by his .762 goals-per-game ratio, the best in NHL history." Sorry, but no. Joe Malone had a 1.135 GPG ratio in the NHL (1.389 PPG in the NHL, 1.293 career GPG, 1.530 career PPG). And that's not to mention Newsy Lalonde's 1.265 GPG in the NHL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.58.85 (talk) 07:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Guy Lafleur?
This line (starting the 7th paragraph) seems to be a non sequitur: "The dominant scoring star of the late 1970s was Guy Lafleur but his skills waned in the 1980s." Remove? Avenger42 (talk) 00:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree; I've removed the sentence.Sxg169 (talk) 00:57, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Middle name? "Jean" or "Dean"?
Does anybody have evidence of Mike Bossy's middle name? It had been written here as "Dean" for a long time but User:Marc87 changed it to "Jean" on January 22nd, 2014 (mentioning "SIHR" -- the society for International Hockey Research in his comments. It was changed back to "Dean" shortly thereafter by a not-logged-in user. As I don't have access to the SIHR database, I cannot confirm Bossy's middle name.  Does anyone have any reputable references? Sxg169 (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Goggling "Michael Jean Bossy" and "Michael Dean Bossy" it seems to shoe more results for Dean, but seems to have less reliable sources. with the best being Draft Central.com and this card from Legendary Foils (whatever that is). While there are less sources for Jean it has two newspaper cites, the Oshawa Express and the New York Times . Without a better reference for Dean I think that Jean should be used because of the WP:RS. I'll change the page and add the NY Time as a reference.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 21:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Although it is not a definite answer, Bossy has been falsely perceived as French Canadian due to his somewhat French-sounding name and hometown. When he played junior hockey in Laval the local media often erroneously referred to him as Michel Bossy. In Laval he also found his wife Lucie (sister of former Penguins head coach Pierre Creamer) who speaks French. Perhaps because of this confusion regarding his background also Dean became Jean in some sources. But Bossy's late father Borden was of Ukrainian heritage (Босий -> Bossy) and his mother Dorothy Mills English (from the UK), all his nine siblings also had traditional English names so that Dean is at least not to be considered unlikely until definite proof emerges. -193.175.2.17 (talk) 00:58, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

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WHA rights
While Bossy never played in the WHA, and probably didn't seriously consider it, I did want to add information noting he was drafted by Indianapolis in 1977. Reliable sources for WHA drafts are somewhat hard to come by. Oddly, I've found a couple of instances in Stan Fischler pieces where it is suggested that Bossy could have joined the Nordiques, here and here. The 1977 NHL Amateur Draft was held two days before the 1977 WHA Amateur Draft. This makes the suggestion in the first link - that the Leafs didn't draft Bossy because they feared he'd jump to Quebec - dubious, since Bossy had yet to be drafted into the WHA, and for that matter, was about to be drafted by the Racers. If he was draft-eligible for the WHA I would assume that a special signing (like Gretzky had done) wouldn't have been possible. The second link additionally talks about a "substantial offer" made by Quebec. So, I'm trying to figure out what the deal is here - is Fischler barking up the wrong tree, is Bossy's own memory faulty, did Quebec acquire his rights from Indianapolis, or what. Echoedmyron (talk) 22:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * For that matter, even in 1981 it was being written that "[the Islanders] almost lost Bossy to Quebec of the World Hockey Association" in Sports Illustrated. Now, that one is Larry Brooks, but it's a contemporary article. Echoedmyron (talk) 14:49, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Lung Cancer Death
Does anyone know if Mike Bossy was a smoker? 2601:41:4200:5E80:0:0:0:518C (talk) 19:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Consecutive hat tricks
The note about being tied with Joe Malone for most consecutive hat tricks appears to be incorrect for both players.

The earliest mention of it seems to be an HFboards thread where within a few pages someone went through the game logs and found neither player had done it, but it's still one of the top results for "most consecutive hat tricks" so it keeps getting repeated. 2600:1700:7F84:69D0:D701:D190:FB98:174A (talk) 20:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Military Units to Aid Production

Military Units to Aid Production or UMAPs (Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producción) were agricultural forced labor camps operated by the Cuban government from November 1965 to July 1968 in the province of Camagüey. The UMAP camps served as a form of forced labor for Cubans who could not serve in the military due to being conscientious objectors, Christians and other religious people, LGBT, or political enemies of Fidel Castro or his communist revolution. The language used in the title can be misleading, as pointed out by historian Abel Sierra Madero, "The hybrid structure of work camps' military units served to camouflage the true objectives of the recruitment effort and to distance the UMAPs from the legacy of forced labor."

Many of the inmates were gay men, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, Catholic priests and Protestant ministers, intellectuals, farmers who resisted collectivization, as well as anyone else considered "anti-social" or "counter-revolutionary". Former Intelligence Directorate agent Norberto Fuentes estimated that of approximately 35,000 internees, 507 ended up in psychiatric wards, 72 died from torture, and 180 committed suicide. A 1967-human rights report from the Organization of American States found that over 30,000 internees were "forced to work for free in state farms from 10 to 12 hours a day, from sunrise to sunset, seven days per week, poor alimentation with rice and spoiled food, unhealthy water, unclean plates, congested barracks, no electricity, latrines, no showers, inmates are given the same treatment as political prisoners." The report concludes that the UMAP camps’ two objectives were "facilitating free labor for the state" and "punishing young people who refuse to join communist organizations." The Cuban government maintained that the UMAPs were not labor camps, but part of military service.

In a 2010 interview with La Jornada, Fidel Castro admitted in response to a question about the UMAP camps that "Yes, there were moments of great injustice, great injustice!" Historically the Cuban government has presented UMAPs as a mistake, but according to Abel Sierra Madero, this institution has to be understood as part of a project of “social engineering” tailored for political and social control. Sophisticated methodologies were deployed that incorporated judicial, military, educational, medical and psychiatric apparatuses."

Origins
The creation of the UMAP camps themselves was initially proposed by Fidel Castro and implemented by Raúl Castro after a state visit to the Soviet Union and Bulgaria, where he learned that the Soviets ran camps for "anti-socials". According to an April 14, 1966 article in Granma, the official state newspaper, the UMAP camps were proposed at a November 1965 meeting between Fidel Castro and military leaders. Both were concerned over how to handle "misplaced elements". "Quedaba por ver el caso de una serie de elementos desubicados, vagos, que ni trabajaban, ni estudiaban. ¿Qué hacer con ellos? La cuestión era tema de preocupación para los dirigentes de la Revolución. Un día del mes de noviembre del pasado año (1965) un grupo de oficiales se encontraban reunidos en el Estado Mayor General y discutían estas cuestiones. Hablaban con Fidel, el cual compartía esas mismas preocupaciones y le propusieron la creación de la UMAP."

"Still left to consider was the case of misplaced elements, deadbeats, those who neither studied nor worked. What can be done with these people? This question was the worrying concern for the leaders of the Revolution. One day in November of last year, 1965, a group of military officials met to discuss these questions. They spoke with Fidel, who shared these concerns and proposed to him the creation of the UMAP."''

The UMAP was used as a tool to allow Cuba to mimic the revolutionary changes brought about in the Soviet Union, in which large aspects of the government wanted to craft its citizens into an "obedient" labour force.

Interning citizens
The main recogidas ("round ups") of UMAP internees occurred in June and November of 1965. Another large recogida occurred after an airplane engineer for Cubana Airlines attempted to hijack an airplane in March 1966, which resulted in the firing of many airline employees and their sentencing to UMAP camps even without any connection to the hijacking.

One of the most common ways that individuals were taken to UMAP camps was through a false notice to appear for military service, which became obligatory with the establishment of the draft on November 12, 1963 through Law No. 1129. Individuals would receive a telegram with a notice to appear at a given location for SMO ("Servicio Militar Obligatorio," Obligatory Military Service). Instead of being taken to an actual military camp to receive training for the army, they would be transported by train, truck, or bus to agricultural UMAP labor camps which were located in Camagüey, a former province on the eastern end of the island. Conditions on the up to 8 hour trip across the island were poor, with internees provided with little clean water, food, or facilities.

Many interviewees in the documentary Improper Conduct report that the police rounded up people directly off the streets into buses to be taken to UMAP camps. This method of selection into UMAP camps appears to have been more common for effeminate gay men and "anti-socials" such as "hippies."

Camp activity
UMAP camps typically held 120 internees, split up into squads of ten. Each UMAP camp typically consisted of three barracks, two for internees and one for military personnel. Camps had no running water or electricity.

Internees at the UMAP camps received no military training and were given no arms. Their uniform was blue pants, a denim shirt, and boots. The labor the internees performed consisted of a variety of agricultural tasks, from tearing down the marabou plant to picking fruit, but they mostly engaged in the cutting of sugar cane.

Many of the military personnel who ran the camps were illiterate or semi-illiterate soldiers. The Cuban government assigned these undereducated soldiers to UMAP camps because they were trying to professionalize the Cuban military.

Every squad of ten was led by a cabo ("corporal") who was one of the inmates. The cabo was in charge of tasks such as showing their squad where to work, but still wore the same uniform as other internees and still had to perform agricultural labor.

Each camp also had an accountant who was chosen from amongst the inmates. The accountant was in charge of keeping track of the amount of work each internee completed.

Lastly, each camp had a suministro, also an internee, who was in charge of bringing food rations from a central military barrack back to their respective UMAP camp, where the suministro would distribute food amongst fellow internees. The suministro would have to carefully allocate the food amongst internees or else they would run out of food before the end of the month. Former suministros from UMAP camps report that military officials did not provide enough food so that they could take the remaining foodstuffs back home or sell them to people in the countryside (guajiros).

Internees were divided by category, into camps for gay men and camps for everyone else. The internees were often divided by category (Jehovah’s Witnesses, gay men, Catholics, etc.) en route to the camps and also at the camps themselves, where homosexuals and effeminate men would often be selected from one camp to another especially for homosexuals. There are many reports of physical abuse at the camps, especially directed towards Jehovah’s Witnesses. Among the many forms of abuse, former internees report Jehovah’s Witnesses being beaten, threatened with execution, stuffed with dirt in their mouths, buried in the ground until their neck, and tied up naked outside in barbed wire without food or water until fainting. Emilio Bejel, author of Gay Cuban Nation, wrote that some of the officials who ran the camps were executed due to how badly they mistreated the inmates. Nevertheless, the state-run Granma newspaper reported: "When the first groups, which were nothing good, began to arrive, some officers didn't have either the necessary patience or the required experience and lost their temper. For these reasons, some officers were submitted to a court-martial. In some cases they were demoted and, in other ones [cases] they were expelled from the Armed Forces (Granma, April 14, 1966).

Some internees mutilated themselves so they could be transferred from the camp.

Third-party testimonies
Paul Kidd, a Canadian foreign news correspondent, provides the only known first-hand, third party account of the UMAP camps. Kidd traveled to Cuba on August 29, 1966 to write for Southam News Service. On September 8, the Cuban foreign ministry asked him to leave "by the first flight" because he took photographs of anti-aircraft guns visible from his hotel room window and "exhibited an incorrect attitude toward the revolution" in an article he had published earlier.

During this trip, Kidd departed Havana and wandered through the rural, former province of Camaguey where he encountered a UMAP labor camp near the hamlet of El Dos de Cespedes. The barbed-wire enclosed camp was run by 10 security guards and held 120 internees, consisting of Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, and "those loosely termed 'social misfits' by the government". The ages of the inmates ranged from 16 years old to over 60. None of the internees were given arms; all weapons at the camp were under the control of the ten guards running the camp. The internees worked an average of 60 hours a week for a monthly income of 7 pesos (roughly worth a meal) and their internment typically lasted for at least six months. Cubans who served in the standard SMO ("Servicio Militar Obligatorio", Obligatory Military Service) received the same monthly wage of 7 pesos a month.

As long as their agricultural quotas were met, most internees at the camp were allowed a break to visit family after six months of internment. Family members were allowed to visit internees at the camp on the second Sunday of each month and could bring personal items such as cigarettes to internees. Internees at the camp Kidd discovered were housed in two long, white concrete buildings with no windows just the hole in the wall which had bunk beds with sacks slung between wooden beams for mattresses. After agricultural work was complete, internees were instructed in communist ideology for two hours every night. Kidd estimated that about 200 such camps existed and in total housed about 30,000 people.

Legacy
The direct effects of UMAP's are still felt in Cuba's homosexual and youth communities to the modern day. Contemporary authors like Lillian Guerra believe the reason for the creation of the UMAP's to rest on the need for the communist government to insert itself directly in the personal lives of its citizens, and through that then use gender and sexuality to eliminate "idealogical diversionism".

Notable inmates

 * Cardinal Jaime Ortega, Catholic Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Havana from 1981 to 2016
 * Carlos L. Alas, son of Carlos Alas del Casino. Cuban singer and songwriter
 * Pablo Milanes, Cuban singer and songwriter
 * , Cuban writer currently living in Mexico and author of book about UMAP experiences
 * Héctor Santiago, Cuban playwright

In popular culture

 * Fresa y Chocolate – 1994 Cuban film which deals with the discrimination LGBT people faced after the Revolution, also brieftly mentions the UMAP camps.
 * "El Pecado Original" – song by Pablo Milanes, considered a homage to remember the mistakes made in post-Revolution Cuba towards LGBT people.
 * Before Night Falls – autobiography by Reinaldo Arenas, deals with theme of UMAP camps.

Documentaries and books
A book published in Spanish as Conducta impropia has the transcriptions of all testimonies appearing in the film and others never used.
 * Improper Conduct (in Spanish: Conducta impropia) – 1984 documentary by Néstor Almendros and Orlando Jiménez-Leal
 * La UMAP: El Gulag Castrista – 2004 book by Enrique Ros
 * Un Ciervo Herido (A Wounded Deer) – book by Félix Luis Viera
 * UMAP: Una Muerte a Plazos – book by José Caballero

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Mafia?
http://books.google.com/books?id=0ZygQJNYV1MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Sixth+Family&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false I see no reference to him having connections to the mob on pages 134 to 137. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.226.133 (talk) 01:37, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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Gigantour
This article was speedy deleted, then became listed on Votes for undeletion, consensus was to undelete. Following VFU process, I am now listing this on VFD. Do not consider this a vote on my part. RickK 21:14, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete advertising. Especially silly to have a link to an external site "to launch in May 2005". Perhaps rates a mention on Megadeth, however. —Wahoofive | Talk 21:28, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and cleanup POV etc. Large numbers of people would be interesting in a major tour like this with several popular bands. Kappa 21:47, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. May is close enough that I don't think Wikipedia is not a crystal ball applies; besides, if this tour ends up flopping, it'll probably be notable for that, as well. Needs serious POV cleanup, though. android↔talk 22:11, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and '''cleanup. Notable tour package by notable bands in heavy metal genre. Capitalistroadster 01:26, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, advertising, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball does apply. We're not out to scoop anyone. The people who are certain this will be a notable event may certainly move it into user space and prepare to re-create it without prejudice when the tour has occurred and the facts in the article are verifiable. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, clean up and de-POV. plattopusis this thing on? 04:59, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * keep this and edit it please Yuckfoo 06:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, advertising. Megan1967 09:03, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, advertising. --Angr/comhrá 10:22, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm, on the one hand, we have the crystal ball clause. On the other hand it's in the near future. On the one hand it gets 5000 googles, on the other hand the fifth of those is the Wikipedia article, and its own site doesn't exist yet. In doubt, so abstain. Radiant_* 12:56, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup - advert for site that does not exist should be deleted from the article. - Tεx  τ  urε  19:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all articles about future events. The facts alleged ar not verifiable.  Some fan will cheerfully write the article again after the tour has taken place.  Rossami (talk) 23:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Will be verifiable in a week. --Jstalin 20:56, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Copyright violation tag I just added
[] is the player bio for Billy Boucher at the Hockey Hall of Fame site.

[] is their copyright policy. It states " You may not copy, reproduce, modify or publicly display or distribute in any way any material from the Website".

To whoever reviews this for deletion, please leave a stub in its place. Even if there's just a link to the Hockey Hall of Fame profile, and a stub tag, someone will come along and fix it. I'd rewrite it myself, but I just don't have time right now. ColtsScore 06:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

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Chota

Chota may refer to:

 * Chota (Cherokee town), which once existed in present-day Monroe County, Tennessee, United States
 * Chota, Ecuador
 * Chota, Peru, a city in Chota District, the capital of Chota Province, Peru.
 * Chota District, a district in Chota Province, Peru.
 * Chota Province, a province of the Cajamarca Region in Peru
 * Chota (automobile), an English automobile
 * Chota (footballer), Spanish footballer
 * Roman Catholic Territorial Prelature of Chota, Peru
 * A dialect of the Sadri language
 * A subdivision of a sotnia equivalent to a platoon

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Talk:Great American Presidents

"Most Americans think that some of the United States's forty-three Presidents are "great" presidents"

There have only been 42 presidents. Stephen Grover Cleveland was elected the 22nd president, then lost to Benjamin Harrison, the 23rd president, but then beat Harrison to become the 24th presdient. Therefore, George Walker Bush is the 43rd president, but only 42 people have been president.

Also, the line that I quoted seems out of place. I think it should be deleted or changed.

Move
I think that if we're going to keep this, we should move it to a more encyclopedic and neutral title. List of U.S. presidents considered to be the greatest ever would be suggested by precedent, but I hope somebody can come up with a better suggestion. Any ideas? Meelar (talk) 18:56, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * Probably should be merged with Historical rankings of U.S. Presidents. --Kevin Myers 15:59, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Good idea--I didn't know about that page. If nobody objects, I will perform the proposed merge in a few days. Meelar (talk) 16:02, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Agree that it should be moved, since there has never been a president of America, though the United States has had quite a few.:) Jamesday 03:07, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * And thanks for reminding me. If I hadn't seen this on my watchlist, I would have forgotten completely. Beginning merge now (whirrrr). Meelar (talk) 14:55, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

The merge
I've merged Great American Presidents with Historical rankings of U.S. Presidents. The WSJ survey was already covered at the merge target, so there was no need to move that material. The stuff about currency was original, however, and I did not include it in the merge. In my eyes, at least, that seemed a little speculative, and rested on unproven/uncited (though likely) conjectures, namely that position on currency (especially commonly-used currency) reflects historical ranking accurately and faithfully. I'm not sure we should substantiate this without some sort of citation, so I didn't include it. Feel free to mention it here if you disagree--I'm not firmly attached to the removal, just didn't seem right. Meelar (talk) 15:06, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Ray Bourque

Changing article title
Was there any discussion about moving the article? Just wondering :-) Flibirigit 06:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Not a scrap of it, and I'm astonished that it was done in the first place. I've reverted the changes.  Ravenswing 07:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Language variations
Djsasso says in his most recent edit summary "(To quote from WP:ENGVAR Use terminology that subjects use for themselves whenever this is possible. Playing for team Canada is most definately him indentifying himself as that.)" Quite aside from that he is quoting WP:ID, not WP:ENGVAR, Bourque has lived almost as many years in the United States as he played games for Canada internationally. That being said, this is just the sort of circumstance for which the rule about the language variant in which the article was first written governing was created. That is en-US, which was the case for at least the first two years the article existed, encompassing over a hundred edits, including a few by Djsasso himself.  Ravenswing  08:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * And which is exactly why it was decided to go with the variant matching either their birth place or the place they played internationally for, so that there wouldn't have to be judgement calls. There are a few guidelines that would go to support one side of the arguement and then the one you quote to argue your side. I started quoting two different guidelines but they wouldn't fit and I accidentally deleted the wrong link. The part of WP:ENGVAR I was intending to quote was An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation. Ray is best known as Canadian hockey player. And to go a bit further the game of hockey itself is best identified with Canada due to having been invented there. It's positions would have used that version of spelling because that is where it was invented. -Djsasso (talk) 15:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Bourque is clearly identified as Canadian. Whereas Mike Baumgartner and Brian Leetch would clearly be American. Flibirigit (talk) 17:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Err ... excuse me; when and where was this decided? The only consensus on the birthplace/nationality front was on the issue of identifying the nation of the player ("Slovakian," "Russian"), not in determining the language variant in which an article was written.  WP:ENGVAR is tolerably clear, and cannot be trumped by our private arrangements even if we had clearly done so in this case, which we have not.  Your position would have the somewhat absurd (and completely POV-driven) concept that all hockey articles must be written in en-ca.    Ravenswing  19:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I have never said that all articles should be written in Canadian English. Go have a look at the Mike Baumgartner history and see which editor changed it to American English, from the Canadian variant. I would gladly change any American players to the US preferences. Flibirigit (talk) 19:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look in the talk pages of the project. There was a clear idea that we go by country of birth for the spelling. It was rehased a couple of times even for the issue of spelling which were seperate debates from the nationality front. I am not saying all hockey articles should be in Canadian english, I am just pointing out that there are more than a few reasons why it is accurate for Ray Bourque. American born players, American English. Canadian born players Canadian English. WP:ENGVAR is tolerably clear that you use the form of English that is most identified with the subject. So stop trying to argue that ENGVAR is the reason you are right. ENGVAR actually works for both sides of the issue, which is why the compromise of birth place was mentioned. -Djsasso (talk) 20:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been following the talk pages of the project for years, thanks, and there has never been a consensus (nor scarcely any mention before now) that this concept should apply to the language in which articles should be written; feel free to link to the archives saying so. ENGVAR is the reason I am right because it is the rule that whenever there is a legitimate dispute over versions, the article should be in the variant used by the creator / first major contributor.  This article was, for several years, written exclusively in en-us.    Ravenswing  22:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * the variety chosen by the first major contributor to the article should be used, unless there is reason to change it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic Notice the unless that is there? Ray has strong national ties to Canada, through playing for Canada and being born there. -Djsasso (talk) 01:24, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete article
Ray Bourque is a hall of famer. There is no details on the 1-year contract that he took to give it one final go for the Cup in 2001. He deserves a better, more detailed article. I'm not a big Wikipedia person but I'm just saying, this article could be a lot better. Whoever writes these hockey articles should look into revamping this entry pronto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivand67 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The people who write these articles, are people like you who just come along and decide its missing something, so if you feel it needs more go right ahead and add what you feel is missing. -Djsasso (talk) 21:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I completely agree, which is why I've taken the bit in the teeth and started some serious revamping, incorporating the trivia sections into the main text and starting to add inline citations (heck, there wasn't any reference section at all). I'd be happy if anyone else'd join me at it!  Certainly Bourque's Bruins career is seriously lacking.    Ravenswing  11:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move
Not a good move. Google hits for Ray Bourque: 620,000. Google hits for Raymond Bourque: a shade over 100,000. This should not have been done unilaterally, and I invite the editor who did it to move the article back, promptly.   Ravenswing   20:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I was the one who moved the page. I should move it back, you say? If you say so. Thanks! :) MTG1989 (talk) 19:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * PS I checked Google and “Raymond” has 2k more hits than Ray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MTG1989 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine what methodology you used. "Raymond Bourque"  returns, right at this moment, 99K hits.  "Ray Bourque"  returns 636K hits.   Ravenswing   22:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

21 Season w/Boston Bruins ... 1.5 Seasons w/ Colorado Avalache
Both have same coverage on this page, if you are with a team for 7515 days im sure you would have a lot more to talk about than 460 days with another. After reading the entire article, it actually goes all over the place No Officially marked Boston Bruins section, Bruins talk in Avalanche section, talk about his personal life in the retirement section. I mean I suck at writing articles according the wiki standards as none of my major edits have been kept, but this article lacks any sort of reason. Bazzledorf (talk) 15:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Traded to the Calgary Flames
Just letting ya'll know, he's been traded to the Flames, today. GoodDay (talk) 15:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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I keep seeing that my comment "He graduated Grade 12 from Monsignor Paul Dwyer Catholic High School of Oshawa, Ontario." is getting removed, i know for a fact he graduated from that specific school because i went to school with him from Grade 10 to Grade 12 graduation, if you all keep removing the sentence i add, I will continue to keep adding it. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.90.224 (talk) 02:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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I will continue to add what i write, because i had graduated with him in Grade 12. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.90.224 (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * And I could just as easily say I graduated with him in Medicine Hat. So tell me, who is another reader supposed to believe?  This is why we require reliable sources. Resolute 22:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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I think, that it would be more accurate to designate him as 29th member of TGC. He is 29th member - player. Number of coaches is different count and those two rows should not to be confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.124.242 (talk) 19:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Honky
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Johnny Bower Park in Mississauga
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Pronouns
This article is about weapons not people. All the he/she's and his/her's should be it's and its's. - Revolver Ocelot 21:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * But the U.R.T.V. units are people. #666 is Jr., #667 is Albedo, #668 is Citrine, and #669 is Gaignun Kukai.   ‡   Jarlaxle   June 28, 2005 05:35 (UTC)

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Data stream mining

Data Stream Mining (also known as stream learning) is the process of extracting knowledge structures from continuous, rapid data records. A data stream is an ordered sequence of instances that in many applications of data stream mining can be read only once or a small number of times using limited computing and storage capabilities.

In many data stream mining applications, the goal is to predict the class or value of new instances in the data stream given some knowledge about the class membership or values of previous instances in the data stream. Machine learning techniques can be used to learn this prediction task from labeled examples in an automated fashion. Often, concepts from the field of incremental learning are applied to cope with structural changes, on-line learning and real-time demands. In many applications, especially operating within non-stationary environments, the distribution underlying the instances or the rules underlying their labeling may change over time, i.e. the goal of the prediction, the class to be predicted or the target value to be predicted, may change over time. This problem is referred to as concept drift. Detecting concept drift is a central issue to data stream mining. Other challenges that arise when applying machine learning to streaming data include: partially and delayed labeled data, recovery from concept drifts, and temporal dependencies.

Examples of data streams include computer network traffic, phone conversations, ATM transactions, web searches, and sensor data. Data stream mining can be considered a subfield of data mining, machine learning, and knowledge discovery.

Software for data stream mining

 * MOA (Massive Online Analysis): free open-source software specific for mining data streams with concept drift developed in Java. It has several machine learning algorithms (classification, regression, clustering, outlier detection and recommender systems). Also, it contains a prequential evaluation method, the EDDM concept drift methods, a reader of ARFF real datasets, and artificial stream generators as SEA concepts, STAGGER, rotating hyperplane, random tree, and random radius based functions. MOA supports bi-directional interaction with Weka (machine learning).
 * scikit-multiflow: A machine learning framework for multi-output/multi-label and stream data implemented in Python. scikit-multiflow contains stream generators, stream learning methods for single-target and multi-target, concept drift detectors, evaluation and visualisation methods. (This software is discontinued)
 * StreamDM: StreamDM is an open source framework for big data stream mining that uses the Spark Streaming extension of the core Spark API. One advantage of StreamDM in comparison to existing frameworks is that it directly benefits from the Spark Streaming API, which handles much of the complex problems of the underlying data sources, such as out of order data and recovery from failures.
 * RapidMiner: commercial software for knowledge discovery, data mining, and machine learning also featuring data stream mining, learning time-varying concepts, and tracking drifting concept (if used in combination with its data stream mining plugin (formerly: Concept Drift plugin))
 * RiverML: River is a Python library for online machine learning. It is the result of a merger between creme and scikit-multiflow. River's ambition is to be the go-to library for doing machine learning on streaming data.
 * GAENARI: C++ incremental decision tree. It continuously executes inserts and updates of chunked data sets. Rebuild support for concept drift issues.

Events

 * International Workshop on Ubiquitous Data Mining held in conjunction with the International Joint Conference on Artificial Intelligence (IJCAI) in Beijing, China, August 3–5, 2013.
 * International Workshop on Knowledge Discovery from Ubiquitous Data Streams held in conjunction with the 18th European Conference on Machine Learning (ECML) and the 11th European Conference on Principles and Practice of Knowledge Discovery in Databases (PKDD) in Warsaw, Poland, in September 2007.
 * ACM Symposium on Applied Computing Data Streams Track held in conjunction with the 2007 ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (SAC-2007) in Seoul, Korea, in March 2007.
 * IEEE International Workshop on Mining Evolving and Streaming Data (IWMESD 2006) to be held in conjunction with the 2006 IEEE International Conference on Data Mining (ICDM-2006) in Hong Kong in December 2006.
 * Fourth International Workshop on Knowledge Discovery from Data Streams (IWKDDS) to be held in conjunction with the 17th European Conference on Machine Learning (ECML) and the 10th European Conference on Principles and Practice of Knowledge Discovery in Databases (PKDD) (ECML/PKDD-2006) in Berlin, Germany, in September 2006.

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