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Event-driven process chain

An event-driven process chain (EPC) is a type of flow chart for business process modeling. EPC can be used to configure enterprise resource planning execution, and for business process improvement. It can be used to control an autonomous workflow instance in work sharing.

The event-driven process chain method was developed within the framework of Architecture of Integrated Information Systems (ARIS) by August-Wilhelm Scheer at the Institut für Wirtschaftsinformatik, Universität des Saarlandes (Institute for Business Information Systems at the University of Saarland) in the early 1990s.

Overview
Businesses use event-driven process chain diagrams to lay out business process workflows, originally in conjunction with SAP R/3 modeling, but now more widely. It is used by many companies for modeling, analyzing, and redesigning business processes. The event-driven process chain method was developed within the framework of Architecture of Integrated Information Systems (ARIS). As such it forms the core technique for modeling in ARIS, which serves to link the different views in the so-called control view. To quote from a 2006 publication on event-driven process chains:
 * An Event-driven process chain (EPC) is an ordered graph of events and functions. It provides various connectors that allow alternative and parallel execution of processes. Furthermore it is specified by the usages of logical operators, such as OR, AND, and XOR. A major strength of EPC is claimed to be its simplicity and easy-to-understand notation. This makes EPC a widely acceptable technique to denote business processes.

The statement that event-driven process chains are ordered graphs is also found in other directed graphs for which no explicit node ordering is provided. No restrictions actually appear to exist on the possible structure of EPCs, but nontrivial structures involving parallelism have ill-defined execution semantics; in this respect they resemble UML activity diagrams.

Several scientific articles are devoted to providing well-defined execution semantics for general event-driven process chains. One particular issue is that EPCs require non-local semantics, i.e., the execution behavior of a particular node within an EPC may depend on the state of other parts of the EPC, arbitrarily far away.

Elements
These elements are used in event-driven process chain diagrams:

 * Event
 * Events are passive elements in event-driven process chains. They describe under what circumstances a function or a process works or which state a function or a process results in. Examples of events are "requirement captured", "material in stock", etc. In the EPC graph an event is represented as hexagon. In general, an EPC diagram must start with an event and end with an event.

 * Function
 * Functions are active elements in an EPC. They model the tasks or activities within the company. Functions describe transformations from an initial state to a resulting state. If different resulting states can occur, the selection of the respective resulting state can be modeled explicitly as a decision function using logical connectors. Functions can be refined into another EPC. In this case it is called a hierarchical function. Examples of functions are "capture requirement", "check material in stock", etc. In the event-driven process chain graph a function is represented as rounded rectangle.

 * Process owner
 * Process owner is responsible for a function (i.e. a booking clerk is responsible for booking journeys). The process owner is usually part of an organization unit (i.e. a booking clerk belongs to the booking department). It is represented as a square with a vertical line.

 * Organization unit
 * Organization units determine which organization within the structure of an enterprise is responsible for a specific function. Examples are "sales department", "procurement department", etc. It is represented as an ellipse with a vertical line.

 * Information, material, or resource object
 * In the event-driven process chain, the information, material, or resource objects portray objects in the real world, for example business objects, entities, etc., which can be input data serving as the basis for a function, or output data produced by a function. Examples are "material", "order", etc. In the EPC graph such an object is represented as rectangle.

 * Logical connector
 * In the event-driven process chain the logical relationships between elements in the control flow, that is, events and functions are described by logical connectors. With the help of logical connectors it is possible to split the control flow from one flow to two or more flows and to synchronize the control flow from two or more flows to one flow.

 * Logical relationships
 * There are three kinds of logical relationships defined in event-driven process chains:

 * Branch/Merge: Branch and merge correspond to making decision of which path to choose among several control flows. A branch may have one incoming control flow and two or more outgoing control flows. When the condition is fulfilled, a branch activates exactly only one of the outgoing control flows and deactivates the others. The counterpart of a branch is a merge. A merge may have two or more incoming flows and one outgoing control flow. A merge synchronizes an activated and the deactivated alternatives. The control will then be passed to the next element after the merge. A branch in the EPC is represented by an opening XOR, whereas a merge is represented as a closing XOR connectors.

 * Fork/Join : Fork and join correspond to activating all paths in the control flow concurrently. A fork may have one incoming control flow and two or more outgoing control flows. When the condition is fulfilled, a fork activates all of the outgoing control flows in parallel. A join may have two or more incoming control flows and one outgoing control flow. A join synchronizes all activated incoming control flows. In the Event-driven Process Chain diagram how the concurrency achieved is not a matter. In reality the concurrency can be achieved by true parallelism or by virtual concurrency achieved by interleaving. A fork in the EPC is represented by an opening 'AND', whereas a join is represented as a closing 'AND' connectors.
 * OR : An 'OR' relationship corresponds to activating one or more paths among control flows. An opening 'OR' connector may have one incoming control flow and two or more outgoing control flows. When the condition is fulfilled, an opening 'OR' connector activates one or more control flows and deactivates the rest of them. The counterpart of this is the closing 'OR' connector. When at least one of the incoming control flows is activated, the closing 'OR' connector will pass the control to the next element after it.

 * Control flow
 * A control flow connects events with functions, process paths, or logical connectors creating chronological sequence and logical interdependencies between them. A control flow is represented as a dashed arrow.

 * Information flow
 * Information flows show the connection between functions and input or output data, upon which the function reads changes or writes.

 * Organization unit assignment
 * Organization unit assignments show the connection between an organization unit and the function it is responsible for.

 * Process path
 * Process paths serve as navigation aid in the EPC. They show the connection from or to other processes. The process path is represented as a compound symbol composed of a function symbol superimposed upon an event symbol. To employ the process path symbol in an Event-driven Process Chain diagram, a symbol is connected to the process path symbol, indicating that the process diagrammed incorporates the entirety of a second process which, for diagrammatic simplicity, is represented by a single symbol.

Example
As shown in the example, a customer order received is the initial event which creates a requirement capture within the company. In order to specify this function, sales is responsible for marketing, currency etc. As a result, event 'requirement captured' leads to another new function: check material on stock, in order to manufacture the productions.

All input or output data about material remains in the information resource. After checking material, two events may happen-with or without material on stock. If positive, get material from stock; if not, order material from suppliers. Since the two situations cannot happen at the same time, XOR is the proper connector to link them together.

Meta-model
Although a real process may include a series of stages until it is finished eventually, the main activities remain similar. An event triggers one function; and a function will lead to one event. Meanwhile, an event may involve one or more processes to fulfill but a process is unique for one event, the same goes for process and process path.

As for the function, its data may be included in one or more information resources, while organization unit is only responsible for one specific function.

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Shelon

The Shelon (Шелонь) is a river in the northwest part of European Russia, in Dedovichsky, Porkhovsky, and Dnovsky Districts of Pskov Oblast and Soletsky and Shimsky Districts of Novgorod Oblast. The Shelon is one of the principal tributaries of Lake Ilmen. It has a length of 248 km and drains a basin of 9710 km2. The towns of Porkhov and Soltsy, as well as urban-type settlements of Dedovichi and Shimsk, are located on the banks of the Shelon. The principal tributaries of the Shelon are the Sudoma (left), the Belka (right), the Polonka (right), the Uza (left), the Udokha (left), the Sitnya (left), and the Mshaga (left).

The Shelon has its source in the swamps at the east of Pskov Oblast, close to the border with Novgorod Oblast. It flows northeast, then turns around and flows west. Around the urban-type settlement of Dedovichi the Shelon turns northwest. It further enters Porkhovsky District, and behind Porkhov turns north and then northeast. The Shelon crosses a short segment of Dnovsky District and returns to Porkhovsky District, crossing then to Novgorod Oblast. In Novgorod Oblast, the Shelon flows northeast and has its mouth by the urban-type settlement of Shimsk, forming an estuary.

The river basin of the Shelon comprises vast areas on the Ilmen Depression which administratively are located in Soletsky, Shimsky, and Volotovsky Districts of Novgorod Oblast, and in Porkhovsky, Dnovsky, Dedovichsky, and Bezhanitsky Districts of Pskov Oblast.

The Shelon is navigable downstream of the town of Soltsy, however, there is no passenger navigation.

History
The Battle of Shelon on July 14, 1471 between Muscovy and Novgorod Republic occurred in between the town of Soltsy and the mouth of Shelon. It ended up with a victory of the Muscovite army led by Prince Kholmsky, and consequently resulted in the annexation of Novgorod by Muscovy in 1478.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Konar Siosk-Baas

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 03:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Konar Siosk-Baas
Apparently, this character is a fan invention and doesn't actually appear in any of the official star wars publications through two characters with similar names (Vodo-Siosk Baas, Bodo Baas) have appeared in the Star Wars comics. I think this entry is worthy of deletion Timon 17:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete - Jon Hart
 * Delete - I got about 80 Google hits, but only 7 without the automatically omitted sites. Not official fancruft. Notability not established. Seems to only exist on "www.darkjedibrotherhood.org." Only VfD stuff links to the page.-LtNOWIS 03:10, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

- Note: Could it be POSSIBLE that not all the SITH are covered in the COMICS? Where was Ajunta Pall? Where was Tuluk Hord? I've NEVER seen a mention of them in anything other than KOTOR I. How about Darth Sion, or Revan? Revan apparently defeated Mandalore. Mandalore is a well known character in the star wars universe, noted in comics, books, etc. He even started a new cult called Mandalorians, of which Boba Fett and Jango Fett's characters have taken ideas off. And yet, some how this Revan person comes along and destroys him just like that. Revan is ONLY a character in KOTOR.

I have also done a google search and nothing pointed to wikipedia when I looked up Konar Siosk-Baas. Why does the fact that one character exists that was not yet known by you affect you so? Searches never seem to pick up the name and it appears that one would have to be intentionally LOOKING for the specific Konar Siosk-Baas name to pick it up on wikipedia.

By point concluded; I do not think the requests are valid enough to warrent deleation of the page.

 * "Note: Could it be POSSIBLE that not all the SITH are covered in the COMICS?"
 * Of course. It just so happens that Konar Sios-Baask isn't covered anywhere. Because he doesn't exist. :)
 * "Revan apparently defeated Mandalore. Mandalore is a well known character in the star wars universe, noted in comics, books, etc. He even started a new cult called Mandalorians, of which Boba Fett and Jango Fett's characters have taken ideas off."
 * Mandalore is the title given to the leader of the Mandalorians. There have been several throughout history. The particular one Revan killed was called Mandalore the Ultimate. There have also been Mandalores the First, Indomitable, and Resurrector, among others. Mandalore the Resurrector was the one who restarted the Mandalorian tradition after it was destroyed by the Jedi. This was the group to which Boba Fett belonged; Jango belonged to the aforementioned destroyed incarnation of the Mandalorians, which had existed since before the formation of the Old Republic.
 * "And yet, some how this Revan person comes along and destroys him just like that. Revan is ONLY a character in KOTOR."
 * Revan was one of the greatest military commanders and warriors in the history of the Jedi Order and one of the most powerful, feared, and intelligent Dark Lords of the Sith of all time. What is your point, and what has it to do with the nonexistent Konar Siosk-Baas?
 * "Why does the fact that one character exists that was not yet known by you affect you so?"
 * You are obviously unfamiliar with Star Wars. Not only does Konar Siosk-Baas not appear in any existing sources, his history as presented in his fraudulent article is completely and utterly impossible; only three named Sith Lords have appeared since the Battle of Endor, and he is not one of them.
 * "By point concluded; I do not think the requests are valid enough to warrent deleation of the page."
 * Sure they are, as he doesn't exist. Not in the comics, not in the video games, not in the books, not in the movies. Not anywhere. He's not a real Star Wars character. At all. :)
 * — Jon Hart

- Sorry George Lucas (by this I imply you because you seem to know so much about Star Wars you clearly must be uncle George), but if you happen to know so much about Star Wars, (a) what is the point in looking it up on a Google search directory? (b) why is there a limit to the future of the Star Wars universe? (clearly time has no end, so just like time, Star Wars doesn't end after the war between the Alliance and the Yuuzhan Vong) (c) what's to say the Siosk-Baas family ended after the death of Vodo? Surely Vodo had parents. - Perhaps they had another child. (d) Jedi's are not one off's. Just like the Adam/Eve Theory, the jedi started, had babies and produced more jedi. Surely some surnames would have been kept (they don't just wipe their surnames because they've been used by their parents), so what's to say Konar isn't one of the descendants? (e) Why not wipe out the Aborigines because they're just as usless to you as the character Konar Siosk-Baas and you want to wipe him out?
 * Terribly sorry to disappoint, but I'm not really George Lucas. I tend to get that a lot, though. Must be the flannel. In any case, you seem to be confused about a few things (I'd never dream that you're the person who wrote that article, naturally), so I'll do my best to try and set you straight.
 * (a) I didn't need to check Google, as I already knew Konar doesn't exist.
 * (b) There is no limit to the future of Star Wars. There is a limit to the number of stories set in Star Wars. None of them currently involve a Konar Siosk-Baas. Sorry.
 * (c) Well, that's the thing, isn't it. You'll note that the article claims that Konar's species is half-human and half-Twi'lek. Now, not only are these two different species genetically incompatible, but I fail to see how a line known to consist only of Krevaaki could produce such an improbable half-breed.
 * (d) First of all, as I just said, neither of two species that Konar reputedly belongs to are the same species as Vodo and Bodo. Secondly, you seem to be forgetting a little thing called the "Jedi Purge." In case you're not familiar with it, that was when Darth Vader and his minions drove the Jedi to virtual extinction. Only a handful are known to have survived, and none of them were named Baas.
 * (e) What are you talking about?
 * In any case, your logic is deeply flawed, my friend. Konar Siosk-Baas does not currently exist anywhere in any Star Wars universe. You seem to be arguing that his article should be kept because one day he might. Sadly, not only can his history as it is given in the article never come to be because of a hilarious amount of continuity errors and ridiculously obvious fanfiction, neither can he, as LFL writers are forbidden to use fan creations in their works because of possible copyright infringement. In short: Luke Skywalker isn't dead. There are no stories set 88 ABY. The only Dark Lords of the Sith who rose to power after the Battle of Endor were Lady Lumiya, Lord Flint, and Carnor Jax. Krevaaki, humans, and Twi'leks are not genetically compatible. Konar Siosk-Baas doesn't exist. Sorry. :)
 * — Jon Hart

"Luke Skywalker isn't dead." Ah. So I get it. Luke is an uber Jedi. He can't die because he is immortal. Damn! Why didn't they underline that in any of the scripts? We assume that Luke is human (natually because he not only looks human but they say that he is human), and all humans are mortal. So naturally, eventually Luke must die. And Konar's life is set after the death of Luke Skywalker. Yes, I know the dates are wrong and don't coincide with the fact, but they will be fixed in due course.

"Krevaaki, humans, and Twi'leks are not genetically compatible" Where was this stated? I have never read that they are not genetically compatible anywhere. Please provide a link or a story which states this and I will endeavour to read it.

"In any case, your logic is deeply flawed, my friend" No, you are not the emperor. So please desist in trying to sound like him.

"I didn't need to check Google, as I already knew Konar doesn't exist" Oh. So you've read every single starwars comic, book, played every video game, made a collection of all the action figures and wrote your own book about starwars because clearly you know so much about it. - How did you manage to pass school if you spent all the time it'd take to learn starwars off by heart while you were supposed to be attending classes?

"Only a handful are known to have survived, and none of them were named Baas" Again you are making assumptions. If so few survived, the Jedi probably died out soon after the purge.- Going by the logic of your logic

"I fail to see how a line known to consist only of Krevaaki could produce such an improbable half-breed." You ever heard of a thing called sex? People have it from time to time, and if appropriate procautions are not taken a baby is born. Say you had a great grand father who was completely black. He marries a white woman and has a child with her. The child [when old enough] marries a white man and has a child with him. And so on and so forth. Eventually the descendant has no visible black in him. In the case with Konar Siosk-Baas, the crustaceous Vodo's parents had another son, who married and had another child. That child married a Twi'lek, who had a child with a human, and so on a so forth. Eventually the descendant is no longer crustacean, but is a cross-between Twi-lek and Human. Also note that the descendant has had many thousands of years to change in form, as Vodo Siosk-Baas is evidently much much older that his descendant, Konar.

- To conclude, I'm still missing the proof that this is fan fiction, and I don't accept your 'so called' knowledge of the Star Wars universe as proof. If I thought you were right, I would obviously support you. But as it is, you still haven't properly backed up your arguments, other than convinced me that the dates are chronologically wrong which I am already aware of. They will be fixed in due course, but until the real proof comes (and I mean, not what your opinion on the matter is), this character will remain.
 * Hey 203.61.240.131/203.61.243.164 while you are at it mind explaining why you added a bunch of fan fiction (Brotherhood of Dark Jedi, Sons of Sadow) to the Sith Article at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sith&diff=0&oldid=12835518 that someone had the unfortunate task of cleaning up and reverting? And by the way you aren't by any chance the author of this article considering that your edits to the Sith Article are also derived from the Dark Brotherhood Site. Timon 03:54, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * "Ah. So I get it. Luke is an uber Jedi."
 * Yup.
 * "He can't die because he is immortal."
 * Nope. Don't be silly.
 * "We assume that Luke is human (natually because he not only looks human but they say that he is human), and all humans are mortal. So naturally, eventually Luke must die."
 * Now you're getting it. Key word: eventually. As of now—AKA this moment—AKA April 30, 2005—Luke Skywalker hasn't died in any canonical Star Wars story.
 * "I have never read that they are not genetically compatible anywhere."
 * Use some common sense. They're entirely different species.
 * "Please provide a link or a story which states this and I will endeavour to read it."
 * Now there's an idea. Please provide a link or a story which states that Konar Siosk-Baas exists and I'll concede. If you are unable to provide said link or story, I wholly expect the concession to be yours.
 * "No, you are not the emperor. So please desist in trying to sound like him."
 * Aw, shucks, I can't have any fun. :(
 * "Oh. So you've read every single starwars comic, book, played every video game, made a collection of all the action figures and wrote your own book about starwars because clearly you know so much about it."
 * I'm moderately certain I never made such a claim, but if you believe it, why don't you concede?
 * "How did you manage to pass school if you spent all the time it'd take to learn starwars off by heart while you were supposed to be attending classes?"
 * I didn't inhale.
 * "Again you are making assumptions. If so few survived, the Jedi probably died out soon after the purge.- Going by the logic of your logic"
 * Once again, you prove your lack of familiarity with the Star Wars Universe, my friend. Luke Skywalker founded a new Jedi Order after the final death of the Emperor. It seems like you're trying to say the Jedi who survived the Purge rebuilt their order. That is not so; it was all Luke. "When I am gone, the last of the Jedi will you be." Not quite, but, for all intents and purposes, correct.
 * "You ever heard of a thing called sex? People have it from time to time, and if appropriate procautions are not taken a baby is born."
 * Gee, now you're just making stuff up.
 * "Say you had a great grand father who was completely black. He marries a white woman and has a child with her. The child [when old enough] marries a white man and has a child with him. And so on and so forth. Eventually the descendant has no visible black in him."
 * Yeah, except, oh, gee, look at that: they're all the same species. Tell me what would happen if that black great-grandfather mated with a dolphin and you may have something.
 * "In the case with Konar Siosk-Baas, the crustaceous Vodo's parents had another son, who married and had another child. That child married a Twi'lek, who had a child with a human, and so on a so forth. Eventually the descendant is no longer crustacean, but is a cross-between Twi-lek and Human."
 * Please at least pretend to prove it.
 * "To conclude, I'm still missing the proof that this is fan fiction…"
 * To conclude, I'm still missing the proof that this isn't fanfiction.

"…and I don't accept your 'so called' knowledge of the Star Wars universe as proof."
 * Man, I feel really, really bad now…
 * "If I thought you were right, I would obviously support you."
 * Obviously. :)
 * "But as it is, you still haven't properly backed up your arguments, other than convinced me that the dates are chronologically wrong which I am already aware of."
 * I can't present a nonpresence. Give me ONE canonical source that states Konar Siosk-Baas exists in the Star Wars Universe as the character presented in the article, and I will concede. Prove me wrong. Please. :)
 * "They will be fixed in due course, but until the real proof comes (and I mean, not what your opinion on the matter is), this character will remain."
 * You can't prove it, can you? I mean, I know you can't, because he doesn't exist, but you do know you can't, right?

 * Look, I have nothing against fanfiction (good fanfiction, at least), but it's not a part of Star Wars canon, and, as such, doesn't belong here. Prove Konar is canon, or concede.
 * —Jon Hart

 * Delete fanfiction. Please don't quote other people at length when responding, this is not Usenet or a web forum. Gazpacho 07:42, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete without even having to look at the article. Any Star Wars fan article creating this much VfD discussion has to be non-encyclopedic.   — J I P | Talk 15:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Tadorninae are a subfamily in the bird family Anatidae.

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The Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals can be found in several places,   including this page linked from the Wikipedia article on Kant. Tim Ivorson 17:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Neil Carter (British political scientist)
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Laura Perls

Laura Perls (née Lore Posner; 15 August 1905 – 13 July 1990) was a German-Jewish psychologist and psychotherapist. She is most notable for developing the Gestalt therapy approach in collaboration with her husband and fellow psychotherapist Fritz Perls and the public intellectual Paul Goodman.

Life and work
Lore was born in Pforzheim in 1905, the oldest of three siblings to a wealthy merchant family. Her mother came from an upper-middle class background, while her father had lower middle class roots and ran a successful jewellery business with his brother. Lore had two younger siblings, a sister (born 1907, murdered in Theresienstadt Ghetto in 1944) and a brother (born 1909, died 1996 in USA).

Lore's upbringing was strongly influenced by her mother's class background and her father's wealth. The large family home was equipped with full-time cooks, maids and a governess. In addition to this, Lore was instructed in dance and moving lessons from age 8, received ballet lessons at her private girls' school, and developed a keen interest in literature from a young age. She began playing the piano at age 5, demonstrated professional mastery by the time she was 18 and at various points considered becoming a professional musician. Later in life, she would integrate music and dance into her therapeutic practice.

Lore became interested in social and political issues at age 15 following a mental breakdown. Worried about their daughter's wellbeing, Lore's parents had pressured her first boyfriend – who was twelve years her senior – to end the relationship. He eventually conceded, which led to Lore losing trust in her parents and significantly damaging her relationship with them. Her subsequent mental breakdown concluded in a several-month stay in a clinic in Freudenstadt, where she received psychoanalytical treatment from Dr Bauer, who based his approach on Alfred Adler's theories. During her time in the clinic, she made important connections with fellow patients whom she made music with and who also influenced her to study law at university. She also read Freud's The Interpretation of Dreams and The Psychopathology of Everyday Life during this time. Upon her return to school seven months later, she was no longer one of the best students in class but instead showed great interest in social and political issues. She gave up the goal of becoming a pianist and instead began harbouring ambitions of studying and working in a socially engaged field.

By 1923, Laura began studying law in Frankfurt but eventually switched to psychology and philosophy in 1926. Amongst others, she was taught by Max Wertheimer, Kurt Goldstein and Adhémar Gelb, the latter of whom later supervised her PhD thesis. She was also taught by Edmund Husserl, Paul Tillich and Martin Buber and would later repeatedly state in interviews that Husserl's school of phenomenology had significantly influenced her work as a psychotherapist.

In 1929 she married Friedrich (Fritz) Perls whom she had met during one of Goldstein and Gelb's lectures. Fritz had met Wilhelm Reich during a short visit in Vienna and began working with him as a patient soon after. Lore cited his influence on both her and Fritz's work, and credited Reich with significantly influencing their development of the Gestalt approach. Their daughter Renate was born in 1931, and their son (who later also became a psychotherapist) was born in 1935.

Living in Berlin in the early 1930s, Lore and her husband became politically involved and felt connected to anti-fascist and communist organising, however they never joined the communist party. Upon the Nazis' rise to power in 1933, the Perls fled Germany for the Netherlands and in 1934 moved on to South Africa, where they stayed for 13 years. During their first months in South Africa, Lore's mother visited the young family and stayed for eight to nine months but returned to Hamburg soon after. Unable to secure visas for them to South Africa, Lore's mother, sister and niece would eventually all fall victim to the Holocaust. Lore's father had already succumbed to a heart attack in March 1933.

While living in Johannesburg, the Perls established a psychoanalytical institute and wrote their first book Ego, Hunger and Aggression: A Revision of Freud's Theory and Method, published in 1942. While the book credits Fritz as the sole author, several chapters were written (almost) exclusively by Lore. This held true for several further publications. While developing their novel therapeutic approach, the couple debated possible names, eventually opting for "Gestalt Therapy".

The couple moved to New York in 1946/47. Lore had followed 18 months after Fritz's arrival together with their children. When her husband moved to the west coast, Lore continued running the New York Institute for Gestalt Therapy which they had co-founded together and soon counted Paul Goodman amongst her first clients. Having already read Goodman's work while living in South Africa and having been particularly interested in his article Politics and Partisan Reviews, the couple soon began working with him and Ralph Hefferline and co-published Gestalt Therapy: Excitement and Growth in the Human Personality, although Laura remained unacknowledged as a contributor. By 1952, with the help of Paul Goodman, they had established The New York Institute for Gestalt Therapy (Fadiman & Frager, 2002).

Following relational difficulties between the couple, Fritz moved to Big Sur in California for a residency at the Esalen Institute. These difficulties coincided with Lore's increasingly equal professional success as a psychotherapist, and caused tension in the relationship. Lore stayed on in New York and continued to run the original institute for nearly 30 more years, long after Fritz's death. Throughout his life but particularly upon his move to California, Fritz had failed to be there for his children and grandchildren, which caused long-term emotional pain to his family.

Eventually, Lore took on the more American first name Laura.

From 1969 onwards, Laura began visiting Europe every summer, holding workshops in England, the Netherlands, Belgium and later also Germany. During this time she further developed her approach to supervision by shifting the focus from the supervisee's client to the supervisee's inner world. Her husband died in 1970.

Having moved back to her native Pforzheim to be closer to her daughter, Laura Perls died in Pforzheim in 1990 following complications with her thyroid. Having smuggled Fritz' ashes with her from New York, she was buried together with him in the Posner family grave in the Jewish cemetery in Pforzheim.

The English edition of her only solo book, Living at the Boundary, was published posthumously in 1992.

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User talk:JMF

Winslow station
You have reverted my amendment in regard to amended the station had 2 platforms instead of one. I will state that the station was on double track and my amendment stands that it had two platforms. Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought you were jumping the gun to the new station but even so, the 1952 OS map and the picture in the article suggest otherwise. Do you have a source that says it had two? if so, reduction to one would be a "significant date" that should be listed. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The website - Disused Stations: Winslow Station (disused-stations.org.uk) has good photographs of the station showing both platforms. I have added this website as a reference in the history box of the wikipedia article. The photograph illustrated in the wikipedia article shows only one platform because it was taken from a train on the other track with the other platform hidden. When in passenger use the line was double track and was singled many years after the passenger service finished which the aforementioned "Disused Stations" article mentions. I have no reference to a 1952 OS map but a 1930 OS map in my collection shows similar symbols for double or single track for which you may have misread. Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Great work. It is also shown more clearly on this 1880 map (1:2500 "25 inch" scale).--𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Evidence that the IP server that was blocked was not a sockpupet of Jahor12345 or TheCurrencyGuy
The IP server that was blocked at the same time as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jahor12345 is not connected. Both were editing simultaneously on different articles during the morning of 3rd April 2024.The IP server began with detailed edits about the Egyptian pound, and then around noon, switched over to British currency in the Middle East. Meanwhile, editor Jahor12345 was editing across a wide range of currency topics, mainly reformatting. The editing styles are completely different. The IP server carried out edits at 1204hrs and 1206hrs, while Jahor12345 carried out an edit in the middle of that two minute period at 1205hrs. They couldn't possibly be the same person.81.134.217.27 (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

 * It was not I who blocked that IP range, indeed it could be a coincidence, that the cause was concurrent abuse by another IP on the same network.
 * Again, if the contributor creates an account, the version that they were working on can be copied to their sandbox. They can finish it there, then ask for it to be reviewed and made live when ok. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Japanese Yen
Hello. We would like to inform you that for various reasons our user name has changed to LendingNext. Now, in this edition of the Japanese yen page, we have included real effective exchange rate figures from 1970 to 2024, so that they can be compared with the nominal effective exchange rate. We apologise for the inconvenience.LendingNext (talk) 20:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Robert Hooke

 * Thank you, all good so far (apart from spitting teeth that I missed that prolix Hooke approximated experimental confirmation that gravity heeds an inverse square law when I did the heavy copyedit and re-sourcing. (It now reads Hooke inferred that gravity obeys an inverse square law
 * Just one thing though: were you not aware of template:snd? It does the same thing as, and is a lot easier to use (and read in the edit page), than your raw html –  syntax, IMO.
 * No worries, thanks for fixing that sentence, it didn't make sense to me – how does one "approximate confirmation"? Yes, I'm aware of snd but I try to avoid using templates for punctuation in article text so I subst-in dashes, except in citation templates where it doesn't work. I'm using, which gives the actual en-dash rather than the html code, but I can use snd if you prefer. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  20:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It didn't make sense full stop. Please feel free to use your regular tool-set. I can easily do a find/replace scan afterwards. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I assume you have finished unless you want to review my changes to your changes? . Thank you for your thorough copy edit. While waiting in the queue, I did a Flesch–Kincaid readability analysis using the tool in Microsoft Word and found the result depressing. I convinced myself that it must be the scientific terms but your work dispelled that notion. Thank you again. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi JMF, yes I've finished now... I was tired yesterday and forgot to close the request. I'm glad my c/e has made the article more readable; some subjects can be a little dry but Hooke sounds like an interesting character to write about and I enjoyed doing the c/e. I see you've dealt with the tags I added so there's no need to inform you of them. :) Good luck with the article and cheers,  Baffle☿gab  23:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ethnic groups in Gibraltar, are historical facts relevant outside the "History" section?
Hello! I don't know if we have exchanged any comments before, but if it is the first time, let me say it's a pleasure to meet you.

You have left a warning in may talk page about edit warring and the 3RR. Please let me explain the situation: I have added information to the Demographics section of the article, and my edit has been reverted, it has not been the other way around. I understood that the 3RR mainly applies to users who reverted editions, not to the ones who add information and ask reverters to discuss in the talk page (which I have).

The two users that have repeatedly reverted the edit are Wee Curry Monster (two times) and Kahastok (two times). This is not the first time that they have coordinated to revert edits. I hope you understand now that it would only be fair to post a warning in their talk pages before (or at least at the same time) that you have posted in mine. Would you please do that, or for the sake of consistency remove your warning from mine?

Regarding the specific information in the edit, you have reverted it saying "That was then, this is now - the section is about Gibraltar today". The fact is that there is a sentence in the introduction to the Gibraltar ethnic groups that explains their diversity "now" (as you say in your comment) as the product of history over 300 hundred years ("then" as you might say). It explains one source of diversity: "migration". I have only added the other source of diversity accepted in a wide multitude of reliable sources (the flight of the native population at the start of those 300 years).

You also say "Try History of Gibraltar". Many sections outside of "History of Gibraltar" include historical facts as an explanation or context of the current situation. That is only logical, I hope you agree with me. I don't think you want to delete the "then" in all of them.

That is why I have added the information. It is relevant, and it is consistent with other sections of the article.

If you have any comment, I will be glad to read you. Best regards! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 17:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 * The caution is about edit warring, not 3RR (as it says clearly).
 * The section in the article is about the 21st century demographics, not the 18th or the 11th. Two, now three, editors have told you that the content you want to add is undue for this article. However it would be entirely due in the History article. If you persist, well you know the rest.--𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 * I agree almost totally with you: most of the section in the article is about the present situation in the 21st century (like % of ethnic groups nowadays, etc.), but a small part of the section gives a brief historical explanation (like in many other "present day" sections). I know what the section is about because I was the one who created it in 2009 and have included much of the data about present ("today") Gibraltarian demography and ethnic groups (as well as other data in the Economy, Culture, Politics, lede and -yes- History sections).
 * If you look at the diff, you will see that this explanation, including the flight of the native population and the diverse origins in the last 300 years was there in the subsection in 2009. For 15 years many users have edited and added (and removed) information to the section, and no one thought it was redundant. And this, mind you, in an article that touches very sensitive points for British and Spanish nationalisms. I would say that passing the 15 years test is proof of consensus (and a sensistive one, I would add). That is, until Wee Curry Monster, who has been previously topic banned for being aggresive and edit warring about Gibraltar (and specifically for trying to aliminate references about the flight of the native population after the capture, specifically in the History section) decided it was redundant.
 * Please don't delete sensitive information that has endured a 15 year consensus in an article this complicated. Thank you. --Imalbornoz (talk) 14:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I will add the information. And if you want, we can talk about it in the article talk page. Thank you again for your time and understanding.--Imalbornoz (talk) 14:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Milton Keynes University Hospital
Please don't make unhelpful citation template changes as you did at Milton Keynes University Hospital. You might prefer a particular citation template but in making a change from 'publisher' to 'work', you also removed the 'website' parameter, which is very useful. If you'd like to make a substantial change like that in future, I suggest you use the article talk page. Millstream3 (talk) 18:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 * If you must change these, please do not remove the website parameter - that is vandalism. I have reverted again. If you wish to edit, please do so more carefully. Millstream3 (talk) 19:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Apologies - I see you can't have both work and website - there is a bug in the template. I have therefore reverted to the article as it was. Millstream3 (talk) 19:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That'll remind us both to use the article talk page to resolve differences: while you were writing that here, I was writing the other side of the coin on your talk page.  But all's well that ends well. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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ASCII on 36-bit machines
The Multics operating system ran on 36-bit machines (GE 645, Honeywell 6180, etc.) and stored ASCII text as 4 9-bit bytes per word, rather than as 5 7-bit bytes per word as in TOPS-10 (PDP-6, PDP-10). (Both lines of machines has special mechanisms for addressing bytes, and neither had a single fixed byte size.)

But this doesn't make ASCII a 9-bit code, any more than storing ASCII text in 8-bit bytes makes ASCII an 8-bit code. Guy Harris (talk) 19:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 * yes, I agree. That is as I have explained in more detail at the new editor's talk page. Note of course that way back then, programmers did anything to save storage. Using only the first 64 codepoints for example gets you six characters per 36bit word. Lowercase? Who needs it? (Xref the Belgian bank at talk:EBCDIC ). Who cares what the vendors say, they want you buy a nonessential upgrade. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, the GE/Honeywell 64-bit machines also supported 6-bit bytes. A 6-bit character set was defined; see page A-8 of the GE-635 System Manual.  That manual seems to indicate that the hardware only supported 6-bit characters with the "sequence character" Indirect then Tally address modifier; the GE-645 System Manual indicates that both 6-bit and 9-bit characters were supported, so perhaps that was added to the 645 for Multics.  (I seem to remember that the Multics PL/I compiler and library didn't use that for character manipulation, although with the Honeywell 6180, they used the Extended Instruction Set, which I think also supported both 6-bit and 9-bit characters.)
 * I'm not sure what the Belgian bank meant by "It is for this reason that all our customer names are stored in capital letters" - perhaps very early EBCDIC didn't have lower-case letters, leaving those code points as unassigned, and they were added later. EBCDIC was an 8-bit encoding from Day One, as far as I know, and if you use 8-bit bytes to store text but don't use capital letters, you're not saving any space. Guy Harris (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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The Egyptian Pound
JMF, I'm the IP server that was blocked in April while editing at Egyptian pound and British currency in the Middle East on suspicion of being TheCurrencyGuy. Now that the matter seems to have been resolved, I'm considering returning to where I left off. And if I do I will either continue using the IP address or I will open a new account with a more suitable name. Meanwhile, before I decide whether or not to return to editing these topics, I ought to provide some background. My interest in April began with the issue of why and when the Egyptian piastre split from the Turkish piastre in 1844. Then as regards Arabia and the Middle East in the mid-19th century, the story begins with Turkish piastres circulating in tandem with Maria Theresa thalers at 20 piastres each. Indian rupees then started to circulate in the coastal areas and on the east coast of Africa, and then in the twentieth century, pound sterling units started to replace the Indian rupees. I put a lot of well sourced detail into the amendments that I made to these articles. You, meanwhile, based on your belief that I was the blocked editor TheCurrencyGuy, wiped out every single edit that I made, hence restoring these articles to their former inaccurate states. But before I get involved again, I need to be sure that there is no acrimony arising from that episode. If that matter is cleared up, I can then point out to you all the errors that exist in those articles as they now stand, and hopefully, bit by bit we can get the articles restored in a manner that everybody is agreed with. Do you have an interest in these topics?Specialrequestaccount (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that you stood on a sleeping dog. I strongly advise that you create an account: see Why create an account? for the long version but the short version is that it will make editing a lot easier and less likely to lead to misunderstandings. There is no acrimony on my part in your direction: if I let my reserve slip, it was because I had tried very hard to get TCG to work cooperatively because they could have been a very valuable editor had they ever appreciated that nobody is perfect and we can all learn from our colleagues. It was such a waste.
 * All your changes are still available from the history of the article and can easily be recovered. May I suggest that you ask the WP:Teahouse for help to do so, as I'm afraid I don't have time right now. If they decline, please ask me again. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks very much for your help. I'll contact WP:Teahouse. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 11:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

 * I've just been to the tea house, but if you know how to re-revert this single revert https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_currency_in_the_Middle_East&diff=prev&oldid=1218650667 it would probably save any trouble. The other things will probably just have to lie because I don't have a way of going through all the edits that I did in early April. The one above is the most important because it gets the chronology, the dates, and the exchange rates correct. I'd be grateful if you could help. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 10:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you still need this? or have you already resolved it yourself? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I know a way of resolving it myself. If I put it back to exactly how it was on 12th April, then you can tell me where I need to put the references in, and I should have them available here.Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The Main Source for the History of the Egyptian pound
JMF, if you can do me a favour and insert this source, then I will be able to see how it is formatted, and I should be able to do the follow up sourcing myself. Meanwhile, I've copied and pasted the abstract from the source here, https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781315253664/handbook-world-exchange-rates-1590%E2%80%931914-markus-denzel Chapter 32|8 pages Egypt (1869–1914)1 Abstract Sources: The Economist, London (1869-1890); Egyptian Gazette, Alexandria & Cairo (1884, 18931914). Concordance: WdW VIII, pp. 135-167

Currency: The basis of the Egyptian currency in the 19th century was the piastre (kurus) of 40 para. After the Turkish-Egyptian treaty of 1840, the piastre of both Turkish and Egyptian strikes should be equal by value, but the piastre of the Egyptian currency was commonly regarded as being of higher value than the Turkish one (see Chapter 13). Therefore 10 Egyptian piastres were equal to 11 Turkish piastres in Alexandria around the mid-19th century, whereas 10 Egyptian piastres were equal to 11.71 (since 1839) and later on to 11.27 Turkish piastres. In 1834 Egypt adopted the bimetallic standard on the basis of the Marie Theresa thaler, the famous Austrian trade coin for the Levant which was called abu taqa in Egypt, as the main coin unit equal to 20 piastre (confirmed by the Coin Act of 1842 and the government tariff of February 15th 1859). The piastre of 1839 contained 1.146 grammes of fine silver, the piastre of 1801 approximately 4.6 grammes of fine silver. The most important Egyptian coins, the bedidlik in gold (= 100 piastres; 7.487 grammes of fine gold) and the rial in silver (20 piastres; 23.294 grammes of fine silver), were minted since 1836/39 in the wake of the currency reform of December 1835, in force from May 1836. In addition, official money rates were fixed for these foreign coins whose circulation was allowed, but all these coins were undervalued, such as the British sovereign with 97½ piastres. This reform brought little improvement, because “foreign coins circulated much above the tariff rate, their value often fluctuating greatly from one part of the country to another” (OWEN [1969], p. 384). To make the quoting of the exchange rates independent of the devaluations of the Egyptian government, during this decade and those that followed the quotation was either done in Marie Theresa thalers or in piastres Egyptian money, as Egyptian money, both the actually minted Egyptian silver coins and the internationally accepted trade coins were understood, each at their daily price. Due to the pressure imposed by the British occupying power, the fall in silver prices from the end of the 1860s and the unsuccessful coin policy of the Egyptian government led to a currency reform in 1885. So bimetallism was superseded by the gold standard. Based on the model of the British sovereign and the Turkish lira, the Egyptian pound or lira (guinée el maes; 7.4375 grammes of fine gold) of 100 piastres became the basic monetary unit. Pieces of 10 piastres, the so-called Parisi, were minted in silver (11.25 grammes of fine silver) and 20 Egyptian piastres were equal to the 5-francs piece (the so-called real franca) or 1 piastre (1 1/8 grammes of fine silver) was equal to ¼ franc. Therefore the Marie Theresa thaler was fixed at 21 piastres and the sovereign at 97½ piastres as was done since 1835 (cf. ISSAWI [ed.] [1966], p. 523). This decree of November 14th 1885 remained in force even after the period documented here: “On the outbreak of the First World War Egypt shifted to a sterling exchange standard, and the link between the Egyptian pound and sterling was maintained until 1947” (ibid., p. 524).Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC) Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Would you copy/paste this request at talk:Egyptian pound with an open call for help, since it is something that any editor can do. It is unlikely that I will have time to do it anytime soon. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

JMF, OK, I'll do that. Meanwhile, I think I know a way of reverting the British currency in the Middle East. I'd be most grateful if you could then point out where I need to put the sources. I guarantee that I will have them at hand here.Specialrequestaccount (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As a general principle, any assertion or statement of historical fact needs supporting evidence. In the one section I looked at, I attached multiple citation needed tags. I assume that these will provide sufficient examples of what I mean. You could start by resolving those. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

It's OK. It's all sorted. The reference/source that I have supplied answers every single one of your citation requests. It's all in the abstract of the source. The source was actually already there before you reverted on 12th April. But meanwhile, I've found a direct link to the abstract, so as you can read the full abstract. Can you help me to add this link to ref number 10 in the article. You'll find it here, if you scroll down to chapter 32 (Egypt) and then click on abstract, https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781315253664/handbook-world-exchange-rates-1590%E2%80%931914-markus-denzel Specialrequestaccount (talk) 23:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , can you ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics. I'm not willing to do this without taking time first to understand its significance, which as I said I don't have time to do. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

It's OK. There is no urgency. Meanwhile, if you read my updated profile, you will understand the inspiration behind it all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Specialrequestaccount Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The history of the infamous E=mc^2 equation
If you are so convinced that Einstein was the first to discover E=mc^2...

Why don't you post in the Samuel Tolver Preston article that sites this?

And do not forget to use reliable sources. I must have a reliable source that mentions Dr. Preston but still insist Einstein as the discoverer of the relationship between mass and energy. K00la1dx (talk) 13:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Compare and contrast Hooke and Newton on the inverse square law (see Robert Hooke). Hooke (and others) conjectured it but it was Newton that derived the mathematical proof. You won't find the citation you are looking for because nobody of basic scientific competence has takns the aether theory seriously in over 100 years.]) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Maxwell assumes an ether. We do not write him out as the creator of Maxwells equations just because of it. Take displacement current.
 * I am just posting this to let you know I looked into your ether theories section on Wikipedia. Dr. Preston is not mentioned in the article.
 * I do not want to debate ether theory. Just want to state that regardless if the ether theory is true or not, Einstein was not the first person to come up with the relationship between mass and energy. In fact, Dr. Preston's ground breaking book "Physics of The Ether" contains descriptions of both Relativity and Special Relativity.
 * I just cannot post it on wiki because posting primary sources is "original research" and when I try to post using well researched publications it also gets rejected by editors on wiki that have little understanding of science... K00la1dx (talk) 03:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No, you cannot post it because it is your assessment of the PSs and is thus a WP:OR violation. You would need to find a good number of reliable sources that take your view and it could then be given as a significant alternative viewpoint. Good luck with that, because you won't find them for one obvious reason: if in the past 120 years (but especially in the first half of the 20th century), if there had been any reasonable basis to prefer an Anglo-Saxon Protestant over a German Jew, it would certainly have been done. That it wasn't should tell you that you are wasting your own time as well as that of others.
 * This correspondence is now closed. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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Source of edit
Hi. I noticed that you reverted one of my edits. The video promotion and its website prove its abbreviation/acronym and it is how citizens there refer to it. Can I have my edit restored please?41.62.55.98 (talk) 07:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For future reference, please give the name of the article concerned and give a response to the edit summary that gave the reason for the reversion. I should not have had to search out that info and won't do so again. Other editors likely would not. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 08:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I should have known better. Sorry for disturbing you.41.62.55.98 (talk) 08:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding our 'Hazard Symbols' discussion
Realistically, there isn't a lot of traffic on the Talk:Hazard symbol page, so we'll be waiting a while for other editors to weigh in, so I'm going to see if we can get a third opinion via the Third opinion system. I'll put the request in later (like ~9 hours from, around 01:00 16 June UTC, after I get home from work and eat dinner), so you have some time to respond to the reply that I made today, before anyone would look at it.

It's non-binding, basically another editor just looks at what we've discussed and give feedback when there's a two person stalemate. I don't think either of us are moving from our positions, and I don't have anything further to say that won't turn into a circular argument on the issue, so I'm fine with saying that we've stalemated.

I'll leave another message here when I've made the request, so you're aware it has been made.-- The Navigators (talk) 16:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

 * I just put in the request in the Third opinion system.-- The Navigators (talk) 01:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks
Your edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ordinal_indicator&oldid=1229353797 taught me something. Somehow I'd never come across that template before in my 20+ years of editing here.

Not entirely incidentally, I see above evidence of some difficulties that came from giving less credence to IP editors. I think Wikipedia would be a better place if all editors and most admins could not tell who made each edit, forcing edits to stand on their own merits. So I edit only as an IP as a matter of policy.

And entirely incidentally, I used to use FIELDATA on a Univac 1106. :-) 24.10.15.212 (talk) 06:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

 * The html code is certainly valid but my immediate reaction was "there must be a template for that", as raw html is a bit, well, raw. It was a new one to me too. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 07:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Suspected sockpuppetry
FYI I have reported an IP address that you have reverted. It seems clear to me that this user has carried on editing for months after being blocked - Sockpuppet investigations/Wisdom-inc 10mmsocket (talk) 16:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Invaders from Mars (audio drama)

Invaders from Mars is the twenty-eighth audio drama of the British science fiction audio series Doctor Who: The Monthly Adventures from Big Finish Productions. It was written and directed by Mark Gatiss.

Initially released as a CD on 28 January 2008, this story was later broadcast on BBC 7 in four weekly parts (starting on 29 October 2005) and was later rebroadcast on the same channel once more (beginning on 19 November 2006).

Summary
In Manhattan 1938, the Eighth Doctor and Charley meet a crooked gangster, a Russian spy, a sinister fifth columnist and Orson Welles. Welles's broadcast of War of the Worlds is just a story, but maybe there really are aliens at loose.

Cast

 * The Doctor — Paul McGann
 * Charley Pollard — India Fisher
 * Mouse/Winkler/Luigi/Heavy — Ian Hallard
 * Ellis — Mark Benton
 * John Houseman/Thug/Streath — Jonathan Rigby
 * Orson Welles/Professor Stepashin/Halliday — David Benson
 * Bix Biro/Noriam/Man — Paul Putner
 * Don Chaney/Actor — Simon Pegg
 * Glory Bee/Carla/Women — Jessica Stevenson
 * Cosmo Devine/Hotel Clerk — John Arthur
 * Reception Guest - Katy Manning
 * Radio Announcer - Mark Gatiss
 * Thug/Toastmaster - Alistair Lock

Deliberate errors
The second season of Eighth Doctor audios featured a number of deliberate errors:

 * There were 48 States in the United States in 1938, not 49 as Chaney claims.
 * The CIA was not established until 1947, almost nine years after the events portrayed here.
 * Welles fails to recognise a Shakespearean quotation.
 * Don Chaney claims to own a 1929 Lamborghini previously owned by Al Capone, but Lamborghinis did not exist until 1963.

The first two "mistakes" in this list were deliberate, intended to be examples of anti-time contamination. The third was also deliberate, but was explained in The Time of the Daleks. The last was not deliberate but was later retconned to be another example of anti-time contamination.

Another possible example of anti-time contamination is the date. The War of the Worlds aired on 30 October 1938, yet, when he asks what day it is, the Doctor is told that it is 31 October 1938.

Later Doctor Who appearances
The episode is particularly notable in that 5 of the actors went on to star in the re-booted Doctor Who TV series from 2005, including: This does not include Paul McGann and Katy Manning who had appeared in Doctor Who prior to their appearance in this episode.
 * Mark Benton in "Rose"
 * Ian Hallard in "Robot of Sherwood"
 * Simon Pegg in "The Long Game"
 * Jessica Stevenson in "The Family of Blood" (as Jessica Hynes)
 * Mark Gatiss in a number of roles, including "The Lazarus Experiment" and "Twice Upon a Time"

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Archon II: Adept

Archon II: Adept is a strategy/action video game developed by Free Fall Associates: Jon Freeman, Paul Reiche III, and Anne Westfall. It was published in 1984 by Electronic Arts for the Atari 8-bit computers and Commodore 64. Ports followed for the Apple II, Amstrad CPC,ZX Spectrum, and Amiga.

Archon II takes place on a game board. When a piece lands on another player's piece, both are moved to a battle arena where they duel to the death. It is the sequel to the 1983 Archon: The Light and the Dark.

Gameplay
Adept is a game for two players or one player against the computer. The starting side can be chosen or randomized. The side that goes second receives more magical power. Order plays with yellow pieces and Chaos with blue on a game board with concentric bands of Fire, Air, Water, and Earth, two Void squares, and two decorative citadels. Each player starts with four wizards called "Adepts" that can place other pieces into play.

Adept introduces resource management in the form of magical power. Magic is gained by having pieces on power points, and spent as an Adept moves or casts a spell. The summoning spell places a demon (which are common to both players) or elemental (specific to each) piece on the board, where it incurs a per-turn upkeep cost. Adepts can also cast spells that heal, hinder, or remove pieces. Or they can cast Apocalypse, which makes the citadels uproot, transform into luminous Adepts that base their strength on the state of the board, and face each other in a Void arena for the outcome of the game.

Order and Chaos alternate turns. On a turn, a player must move a piece or use an Adept to cast a spell. Summoned pieces may move any number of squares in their elemental band, or one square in any direction. Adepts teleport anywhere. Neither may enter occupied squares, except to attack an opponent's piece by ending the turn on its square. An Adept piece can target spells onto the elemental band it is on. Pieces can be summoned into empty squares or, for a surcharge, directly onto the opponent's summoned piece. The cost of summoning and maintaining a piece varies per type.

There are four power points on the outer edges of one elemental band at a time. After each player has taken their turn, the points move one band inward. Two stationary power points with a lower income rate are on the Void squares. The game is won by having pieces on all six power points at the same time, by destroying all the enemy's pieces, or by winning Apocalypse. Conversely, a player who is unable to move during their turn loses instantly. The computer can concede to a human player, typically when down to a single Adept with no magical power to summon new pieces for several turns. If a player loses their last Adept, "the Masters intervene" triggering Apocalypse.

Combat
Pieces in battle are moved to an arena to fight in real time. Pieces can move and attack in eight directions. A chime sounds (higher for Order, lower for Chaos) when their attack has recharged. Attacks that land decrease the target's life bar. Once a life bar is depleted, the piece dies and is removed from the game. The survivor is returned to the board, its injuries persisting. Combat can end in a draw if both pieces die.

In Archon, a piece would either have a melee attack, a projectile, or deal damage in an area around itself. Adept elaborates on this. Chimeras cycle between three attacks, juggernauts transform to and from their own projectiles, and krakens' projectiles lose strength as they travel. Adepts can switch between moving the piece and guiding its projectile in flight, and gorgons sap speed instead of health. The previous game's area-attacking pieces, phoenix and banshee, are revisited as firebirds, which can abort attacks, and wraiths, which drain health and are invisible save as they attack or reload (or against computer opponents). Sirens must be stationary to sing, and their singing automatically damages their opponents.

In Archon, the battlefield had obstacles that blocked pieces and projectiles. Adept elaborates on this as well. In battles on Earth squares obstacles act in Archon, in Water they slow, in Air they slow pieces and divert projectiles, and in Fire they admit projectiles but damage pieces. Void arenas are empty.

Reception
II Computing stated that the Apple II version of Archon II "is even more challenging than its predecessor, and features exciting innovations", and concluded, "It's good to see a sequel to a successful game that is not only as good as the first but extends the boundaries of the game's system." Reviewing the Amiga version, Computer Gaming World recommended both Archon and Adept for those interested in challenging strategy games.

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Campeonato Sergipano

The Campeonato Sergipano is the state football league of Sergipe, Brazil.

Format
During the 2022 season, The tournament is divided in three stages. In the 1st round, 10 clubs were split in 2 groups of 5 teams in each. The teams played 2 matches against the clubs on the opposite groups, or basically, Group A vs Group B. The top 2 of each group advanced to the semi-finals (second round).

In these semi-finals, the 4 clubs who qualified from the previous round, were distributed in 2 groups of 2 teams in each. The 1st-placed team of each group played against the 2nd-placed team of the same group they took part in, with the teams playing this round in a two-legged match. The best-ranked team would be granted the right to host the 2nd leg.

To determine the winner, the most-common method used in knockout stages is applied. The team with the best goal difference in this round qualified to the final. If this criterion wasn't enough to qualify any of the two teams involved, the best-ranked team in the first round would be crowned the leg winner.

Similarly to the second round, the final was played in a two-legged match, with the best-ranked team (which is, the team with better overall campaign) hosting the second leg. The team with the best goal difference in this round were crowned the champion. If this criterion wasn't enough to determine the 2022 Campeonato Sergipano champion, the team with the best overall campaign would be crowned the champion.

The 2022 Campeonato Sergipano Final was contested on April 9, 2022. The match was contested by Sergipe and Falcon. The first leg, Falcon hosted the match, that ended 2–1 to Sergipe. The second leg was hosted by who had the best overall campaign prior to the final, Sergipe. The match ended in a 1–1 draw, with Sergipe winning 3–2 on aggregate, and being crowned State League champions for the 37th time in their history, with a 15 title difference from the 2nd team with most championships, Confiança.

Clubs
2023 First Division

Titles by clubs
Teams in bold still active.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grow Up and Die

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 07:36, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Grow Up and Die
Not notable, by author's own admission. DJ Clayworth 17:26, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Delete, I cannot find any references to it. Where did the author say it was not notible? I was the one who left that comment on the talk page, not the author. Roodog2k 17:50, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I did say they haven't released anything as of yet, but they have been touring in holland. Consequently, they have gained a modest following. I will be expanding this article if you let me....--Douwe 17:55, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, they haven't even recorded yet. They don't show up in the first page of Google hits for "Grow Up and Die".  RickK 19:45, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, band vanity. Megan1967 05:30, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable protohiro 03:19, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Walter P. Thompson

Walter Palmer Thompson (April 3, 1889 – March 30, 1970) was a Canadian academic and former President of the University of Saskatchewan.

Biography
Born near Decewsville, Ontario, he received a BA in 1910 from the University of Toronto, an MA in 1912 and a Ph.D. in 1914 both from Harvard University. In 1913 he joined the University of Saskatchewan as Professor and Head of the Biology Department. In 1934 he was appointed Dean of Junior Colleges; in 1938 he became Dean of Arts and Sciences; in 1942 he was Acting President; in 1948 he was Director of Summer School; and in 1949 he became President of the University. He retired in 1959. After he stepped down as university president, Thompson served as chair of the Advisory Planning Committee on Medical Care for the province of Saskatchewan.

In 1967 he was made a Companion of the Order of Canada.

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James A. FitzPatrick Nuclear Power Plant

The James A. FitzPatrick (JAF) Nuclear Power Plant is located in the Town of Scriba, near Oswego, New York, on the southeast shore of Lake Ontario. The nuclear power plant has one General Electric boiling water reactor. The 900 acre site is also the location of two other units at the Nine Mile Point Nuclear Generating Station.

The power plant was originally built by Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation. FitzPatrick and half of the Nine Mile Point site were transferred to the Power Authority of the State of New York (PASNY), now called the New York Power Authority (NYPA). It was named after Power Authority Chairman James A. FitzPatrick. On November 2, 2015, Entergy Corp. announced its plans to shut down FitzPatrick Nuclear Power Plant in Oswego County after the reactor runs out of fuel in 2016. To avoid closure, Exelon Generation agreed to purchase the plant from Entergy at the price of $110 million.

On April 1, 2017, Exelon assumed ownership and operation of the plant. Following separation from Exelon in 2022, Constellation Energy assumed ownership and operation.

Surrounding population
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission defines two emergency planning zones around nuclear power plants: a plume exposure pathway zone with a radius of 10 mi, concerned primarily with exposure to, and inhalation of, airborne radioactive contamination, and an ingestion pathway zone of about 50 mi, concerned primarily with ingestion of food and liquid contaminated by radioactivity.

The 2010 U.S. population within 10 mi of FitzPatrick was 35,136, an increase of 17.0 percent in a decade, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data for msnbc.com. The 2010 U.S. population within 50 mi was 909,798, an increase of 3.2 percent since 2000. Cities within 50 miles include Syracuse (36 miles to city center). Canadian population is not included in these figures, such as Kingston, Ontario, 49 miles to the city center.

Seismic risk
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's estimate of the risk each year of an earthquake intense enough to cause core damage to the reactor at FitzPatrick was 1 in 163,934, according to an NRC study published in August 2010.

Announced closure
On November 2, 2015, Entergy Corporation announced that it intends to close the James A. FitzPatrick Nuclear Power Plant because it is becoming too costly to operate. The nuclear industry's profits have been squeezed out by utilities who are buying cheaper energy from natural gas power plants. “Given the financial challenges our merchant power plants face from sustained wholesale power price declines and other unfavorable market conditions, we have been assessing each asset,” Chief Executive Officer Leo Denault said in the statement. “Market conditions require us to also close the FitzPatrick nuclear plant.”

In 2016, Cuomo directed the Public Service Commission to consider ratepayer-financed subsidies similar to those for renewable sources to keep nuclear power stations profitable in the competition against natural gas.

In August 2016, Exelon agreed to buy the plant pending regulatory approval.

Exelon formally acquired ownership and operation of James A. Fitzpatrick Nuclear Power Plant on March 31, 2017.


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User talk:Zemanel

Zé manel fico à espera de te ver fazer mais coisas. Se precisares de ajuda vai ao meu talk Talk e diz qq coisa. Salvadorjo 17:33, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Portal de Portugal
Já abriu o Portal de Portugal na Wikipedia! Junta-te a nós para trabalharmos em prol de artigos, listas e imagens relacionadas com Portugal. No portal, encontrarás um artigo geral, um artigo biográfico, um artigo geográfico e uma imagem todas as semanas em destaque. Para além disso estão apresentadas também secções de Notícias, Curiosidades, Listas, Citações, Opentasks, informação sobre artigos recentes, etc. Futuramente teremos um WikiProject para geografia de Portugal (de modo a estandardizar todos os artigos relativos às localidades e divisões administrativas portuguesas), história de Portugal, biografias, e possivelmente desporto. Também temos em vista a criação de uma Colaboração Semanal para artigos sobre Portugal. Por isto, e tudo mais, pedimos-te que venhas ajudar-nos. Estamos também à procura de colaboradores, por isso, se estiveres interessado, é só pedires que já estás no grupo de manutenção do portal. Saudações! Gameiro 19:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Anna Louise Strong

[corrections]
Having just come across the ALS article, and as the author of what is I believe to be the most extensive account of her life, let me add or correct a few things:

1. While it is certainly probable that ALS was encouraged to help get Americans to invest in the USSR during the NEP, the contacts she had in the USA pre-existed her first trip to the USSR. Furthermore this was a pretty standard practice at the time as General Electric, the Filene enterprises, etc all were eager to try to invest in the USSR.

2. Her 1929 book is Red Star (not Start) in Samarkand.

3. The article scants her growing quiet but internal disaffection with the USSR during the late 1930's and the gradual shift of her hopes for socialism to China.

4. During most of WW II she was in the USA, and on the urging of Eleanor Roosevelt undertook a trip across the country by car to examine the effects of the New Deal on ordinary people (leads to My Native Land)

5, She did not return to the USSR until 1944 (if she was spying for the USSR at the time the disappointed FBI was unable to find anything in her luggage that incriminated her).

6. if there is evidence that ALS got to Berlin in 1945 behind the Soviet Army, I should like to know of it as I do not think she went further than Warsaw.

7. The interviews with Liu ShaoQi and Mao in Yan'an in 1946 are of great importance in that they are the first time that the Chinese CP publicized to the West the idea that there was an "asiatic form of Marxism." -- something that made the USSR very nervous.

8. Her arrest by the Soviets is not until 1949 (after she had participated in the USA in the Wallace campaign); the cause for the arrest appears to have been her unrelenting public support (in Moscow, no less) for the Chinese Communists). On her return she was named a Soviet agent by a US House committee, thus finding herself in the odd posiiton of being an agent for both the USA and the USSR (which, ironically, is sort of true).

9. She did not return the the USSR in 1955, but in 1958 after the ROckwell Kent case was decided by the Supreme Court (having to do with passports). 1955 is the date she was rehabilitated by the Soviets. She went quickly from the USSR to China in 1958. She did not visit China "with" Dubois but was there when he visited in 1959.

10. Incidentally, while most people, including those on the Left, were quietly dismissive of her "Letter from China" (post 1959), I know from people in the US State Department that it was regularly read as a good source of information.

Subsequent to the book we published an annotated transcript of "Three Unpublished Interviews" she had with Mao (China Quarterly (Sept 1985)

Best wishes to you all, Tracy Strong — Preceding unsigned comment added by TStrong (talk • contribs) 20:30, 16 February 2006

Distortion
Stop using this article as a way to try and discredit Anna Louise Strong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.144.52.102 (talk • contribs).

 * how about someone adding how many Millions died during Communist Great leap debacle.

was it about 25 million? Juror1 (talk) 23:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Friend, I can understand your strong feelings on this subject. Perhaps you feel the article is unfairly slanted. However, our goal is a neutral-point of view discussion of her. Therefore if we have omitted or distorted facts, please correct them. Thanks for taking an interest in her. She was a fascinating person! Best, Dpr 03:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) (also posted to original contributor's Talk page)

 * The problem he was talking about was that you mentioned how she and DuBois were taken through "Potemkin" type villages. This is clearly a lie as there is no evidence for it. It's based on assumptions. Anyway, I've been editing the article lately, a lot! And I've added much to it. If there's anything you wish to discuss about it please do let me know.
 * Scrib 04:14, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll try to be more discriminating in the checking of statements in the future. Thanks. It was not my intention to be POV. ~ Dpr 1 July 2005 02:01 (UTC)

POV?
Is the word "covert" in the following revision by Nobs01 POV? Thanks. She is best known for her coverage of, and, often, covert support for, communist movements in Russia and China, ~ Dpr 1 July 2005 02:00 (UTC)
 * Well, she is named in the Venona project as an American who had a covert relationship with Soviet intellignece. Nobs01 1 July 2005 02:10 (UTC)
 * Factually, it seems you're right--but no matter how you slice it, I'd wager that we may get some accusations of POV. It's tough to be accurate yet sensitive enough... ~ Dpr 1 July 2005 04:41 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be in the opening, so long as there is fair treatment of the subject. I guess I was seeing if anyone was actually watching the page. Thanks. Nobs01 1 July 2005 04:56 (UTC)

I've removed the "Soviet Spy" category. Being mentioned in a Venona project transcript does not make one a spy. She was arrested by the Soviets and charged with espionage which should be a clue. --Lee Hunter 18:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Being arrest by the Soviets, etc. does not dilute earlier complicity. In fact, many such loyal subjects of the ideological cause were purged in the Doctors Plot, about the same time as what is commonly refered to as the "McCarthy" period in the United States. Another such example remained in a Hungarian prison until 1962, charged as a CIA spy, but never swerved from his idealogical commitment to Communism and the Soviet Union. Numerous other examples can be cited. Many of these, like Strong, ended up in Maoist China. nobs 18:50, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with this perspective. The passage struck me as special arguing and I've deleted it leaving the question of her purported espionage efforts wide open, where it should be. Carrite (talk) 01:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

"The Hungarian Tragedy "
I'm removing the reference to "The Hungarian Tragedy " from the works because I can find no evidence that she wrote anything with that title or on that subject. I think somebody's got confused with the book by Peter Fryer. If I'm wrong, please supply a source. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Decent article, but where are the footnotes?
Really poor sourcing here. Somebody needs to spend a day laying in the footnotes... Carrite (talk) 02:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I added a bunch of footnotes today which I hope helped improve the article.Wikiedebs (talk) 17:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

The status of the death and legacy section is problematic
Very POV, to the extent a neutrality infobox is warranted —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.144.72 (talk) 05:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that this is not a coherent sentence (it seems like it was written by a non-native speaker of English): "Because of her writings on life and society in places like the Soviet Union and China, it has given many communists a clearer idea of what societies based on their views should look like." Even if the serious syntactical issue ("because of her writings....it has given") were cleared up, it still wouldn't make much sense..."a clearer idea of what societies based on their views should look like" --huh?? Moonlet (talk) 08:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

List of Archives
I have tentatively removed this list of primary sources, since it seems out of place in the "further reading" section, and I'm not sure where else to put it. I can't think why it would be of interest or use to readers of a wiki entry - only to specialists. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:07, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Odd sentence about Red Guards and Soviet Union
By 1966, Strong had become an "honorary member of the Red Guards" who returned to the Soviet Union from time to time.[3][8][9]

Does anyone have any idea what this sentence means? Cloudtrapezer (talk) 19:59, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Chronology
With reference to her recall from the Seattle School Board: the article says that "After [her 1918 defense of Louise Olivereau], Strong's fellow school board members were quick to launch a recall campaign against her," but the editorial spanning File:The Town Crier, v.12, no.48, Dec. 1, 1917 - DPLA - a185b1f9bf1f9d6947da193ea478bbb9 (page 5).jpg and File:The Town Crier, v.12, no.48, Dec. 1, 1917 - DPLA - a185b1f9bf1f9d6947da193ea478bbb9 (page 5).jpg shows that the recall effort was already under way at the beginning of December 1917. - Jmabel | Talk 19:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Odd wording
"At the same time, she created 'suspicion regarding her political loyalties' among the Soviets and the FBI who gained a large file on Strong herself." I really can't make sense of this. The Soviets and the FBI "gained" the same file? And what does it mean to "gain" a file? The only sense I could make of that verb is if somehow via espionage one of them obtained the file from the other. But if that were the case, surely it would be elaborated in the article. What does this sentence intend to say? - Jmabel | Talk 19:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Why are these random people in the see also links?
Many of these names are not referenced in the article and the relationships are a complete question mark? Is Tracy Strong related to Anna Louise Strong? I have no idea, because the article doesn't say. See also should state the why these other people/articles are see also. Otherwise, its just a random list of names/articles with no relation no to the article itself. 24.56.228.59 (talk) 07:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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