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Talk:Two-lane expressway

Opening comment
Original poster User:SuperDude115 requested page move to "undivided expressway". Ken Gallager (talk) 15:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Reason being is because super-4 is mentioned on this article and there are some examples of a super-4 that I want mentioned. --SuperDude 01:29, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * That's not what VFD is for. "Undivided expressway" doesn't cover all super-2s, as some have a barrier. I wish there was a better term, as while super-2 is well used, it seems to be used only by roadgeeks. --SPUI (talk) 01:31, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Super 2's with barriers may be seen as divided highways on road maps; and also, some major freeways may only have brief portions of 1 for each. --SuperDude 03:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Super-4
I would like the term "Super-4" to have it's own page since more examples and details for it should be put in Wikipedia. --SuperDude 23:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Super-4s are usually divided!
In fact, I oppose the term "undivided expressway" because super-2 and super-4 expressways are NOT intended to be undivided. Super-2 and Super-4 are usually the intermediate construction phases (not final phases) of a freeway project.

According to these highway websites, super-4 usually does refer to a divided expressway that still has at-grade intersections.

www.expresswaysite.com

www.onthighways.com/highway_40.htm (a multi-lane divided highway but with at-grade intersections)

The term "Super-2" or "Super-4" has perhaps never been used to describe undivided roads. There are very few examples of "undivided super-4" roads. Rare examples include Ontario Highway 27 within the City of Toronto, but I believe that it is an arterial rather than an expressway. International bridges (i.e. Ambassador bridge between Windsor and Detroit) are often known as super-4s on maps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.206.28 (talk) 22:59, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You're actually very incorrect. Super-x denotes an undivided controlled-access highway.  The divided Super-2s are, in fact, an extreme rarity, and most are actually undivided (such as Airport Parkway in Ottawa, most 100-series highways in Nova Scotia, etc).  A divided four-lane highway such as you describe falls into either the Expressway or Freeway category.  The Hanlon Expressway, Highway 40, etc are Expressways.  Do not let Ontario's incorrect usage of the term lead you to believe that they are somehow Super-4s.  They are NOT Super-4s!  The only Super-4 in Ontario is Highway 27 north of the 401, which is controlled-access, yet undivided - and yes, it is officially an 'Expressway' by Toronto standards, in the same class as the DVP, the Allen, the Gardiner, etc.  The Super-4 reference you make will be removed, and I recommend that you take a look at the def'n of Expressway and Freeway before re-adding it.  And for this reason, I fully SUPPORT a name-change to Undivided Expressway. Snickerdo 6 July 2005 06:54 (UTC)

 * The only divided Super-2 I can think of off the top of my head is the Franconia Notch section of Interstate 93 in central New Hampshire. CrazyC83 05:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Super-x does not denote an undivided controlled-access highway.
 * Although Hwy 27 may be in the class of 'Expressway' by Toronto standards, you gotta remember that Toronto's 'Expressway' system varies in quality. The Gardiner Expressway, DVP, and the Allen (south of Wilson) are actually full freeways. In fact, Hwy 27 and Kingston Road can be thought of as arterials, although the difference is that they try to limit at-grade intersections to other major arterials.
 * Second, the controversy over the super-x means that there is no agreed upon definition of Super-x, just like expressway is too ambiguous and varies from province/state to province. I suggest that you leave my Super-4 reference in there unless you can cite a universal reference defining what Super-4 is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.206.185 (talk) 03:46, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I just googled 'Super-4' and all references were to undivided 4-lane expressways. In addition, Highway 27 is classified as an Expressway, but Kingston Road is classified as an Arterial.  Bit of a difference there.  I'm still removing the reference until someone backs your (incorrect) claim. Snickerdo 6 July 2005 06:54 (UTC)

 * Every "Super-x" reference I've heard has been to a controlled-access, undivided highway (well, except Super-7...that's a lottery :)). I believe one of the state departments of transportation in the US has it as an official term, you might want to check the misc.transport.road archives on Google groups. Kirjtc2 6 July 2005 06:59 (UTC)

 * Some references on Google do refer to 4 lane divided highways as Super-4. Most importantly, that definition of Super-4, as divided, is consistent with your definition of Super-2: both are able to be upgraded to superhighways or full control-access freeways.
 * Super-x perhaps has nothing to do with whether the road is divided or not. For instance, there is no point in dividing a 2 lane road due to the narrowness of the 2-lane roadbed, but at the same time, there is no point in having a high-speed 4 lane road unless it is divided.
 * The problem with Highway 27 as a Super-4 is that it does violate aspects of a super-x expressway (Highway 27 does have private businesses and driveways), and thus it will never be upgraded to a superhighway or full controlled-access freeway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.206.166 (talk) 04:45, 7 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Highway 27 directly north of the 401 does not have property access. Really, this is getting old.  You've defaced two articles, and can't even bother to register.  Time to stop. Snickerdo 7 July 2005 08:05 (UTC)

 * As I said earlier, your definition of Super-4 is inconsistent with your definition of Super-2 if you insist on the undivided precondition. Second, you use the term freeway incorrectly. Super-x is not a true freeway in its present form since it isn't divided and full controlled-access. I'm just leaving your Super-4 definition in there to be nice. Check www.onthighways.com, Highway 40
 * Highway 27 between 401 and Dixon Road is just a transitional section to accomodate the decrease in speed between the 427 collectors (freeway) to the regular Highway 27 (arterial) north of Dixon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.206.177 (talk) 15:17, 7 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, a full Super-2 is fully controlled access. May I recommend taking a look at the St. Thomas Expressway, the Caledonia Bypass and Airport Parkway in Ottawa?  Really, you OBVIOUSLY have no clue what a Super-2 (and Super-4, for that matter) are, and I recommend not getting involved in articles of which you have poor knowledge.  --Snickerdo 7 July 2005 20:48 (UTC)

 * Take a look at Ontario Highway 40. I rest my case.  The long term plans of the MTO call for a full freeway upgrade (including replacing at-grade intersections with interchanges) if traffic levels ever get high enough.  That is a good example of super-2 and super-4, since both can be upgraded to a superhighway/freeway.
 * I would emphasize super-x the ability to upgrade, rather than whether it is divided or not, and that is consistent with the St Thomas Expressway. It makes absolutely no sense to upgrade a super-2 into an undivided super-4, since an undivided super-4 could not potentially support the high speeds of a real freeway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.206.167 (talk) 21:24, 7 July 2005 (UTC)

FOR THE LAST BLOODY TIME - Highway 40 is an EXPRESSWAY. Not a freeway, not a Super-whatever, a god damn EXPRESSWAY! END OF BLOODY STORY! Snickerdo 8 July 2005 05:32 (UTC)

 * That's kind of rude isn't it? You two might have differing opinions, but please place nice with each other! 67.43.133.84 15:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

For the last time... Super-4...
This is the last time I will post anything to this :talk in regards to this issue. Some references, since you can't seem to grasp reality on your own:

Super-2 : A controlled-access freeway with two lanes and without a center median. Super-4s are undivided 4-lane freeways. A Super-2 Expressway is a Super-2 with occasional at-grade intersections.

A controlled-access freeway with two lanes and usually without a center median. Super 4s are undivided 4-lane freeways. A Super 2 Expressway is a Super 2 with occasional at-grade intersections; some states call these Super 2s.

YOU ARE WRONG. I know that you like to use your own personal opinion and claim it as fact (see 400-Series Highway, 400-series standards section), but the rest of the world knows otherwise. Stop defacing these articles, or I will go further up the chain to ensure that your erroneous edits are prevented from being saved on Wikipedia. Snickerdo 8 July 2005 05:43 (UTC)

This super-x makes logical sense
No need to get excited. Plus, you are violating the spirit of wikipedia if you insist on a monopoly. I am not defacing this article, I am merely suggesting a more logical definition to complement yours. The definition of super-x varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and I already found a contradictory account to your example. That mtrfaq is not the "bible" that every transportation authority adheres to. It admits that there are discrepencies in other terms, notably freeway and expressway.

Logically, an "undivided 4-lane freeway" makes no logical sense in practical and safety terms because the lack of median barrier reduces the possible speeds. The problem with your definition of super-x is that you have a fixation on the "undivided" aspect. In fact, your examples of super-2 and super-4 have not much in common other than "undivided" and "lack of property access"; your examples have entirely different purposes with a super-2 likely to be upgraded in the future to a full freeway while a super-4 is stuck where it is because of a lack of median. Your super-4 example in that case is more akin to the Highway 7 (York Region) than a potential freeway.

Say we have a super-2 expressway with at-grade intersections, but enough right-of-way to twin it and replace the at-grade with interchanges and overpasses for a multilane freeway. Say we twin that super-2 but leave the at-grade intersections for the time being. Does a twinned super-2 stop being a super-x just because it is no longer "undivided"? Keep in mind that a super-2 that is twinned allows for higher speeds due to the median barrier even if at-grade intersections remain. Then what if interchanges/overpasses replace all at-grade intersections? Does it become super again as a superhighway or full freeway?

Thus, super-4 expressway should apply to a 4 lane divided road with at-grade intersections, but with right-of way to replace them with interchanges. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.206.116 (talk) 15:04, 8 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Uhhh...the DEFINITION of Super-4 is that's it's EXACTLY the same as a Super-2, only with four lanes instead of two. There are NO other differences! It might not make logical sense in a long-form highway, which is why there are few of them (the Westmorland Street Bridge in Fredericton is the only local example I can think of in my area). If a super-2 is twinned, it is no longer a super-2. That's always been the definition I've heard. Kirjtc2 04:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about. Snickerdo 06:04, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I-95 North of Houlton, Maine
Can anyone confirm this stretch is still a super-2? AFAIK, it's been upgraded to a 4 lane divided freeway all the way to the Canadian border. Love Of Fate   talk   03:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Google Maps says you are correct. Follow the map to the right all the way to the Canuck border, and you'll see that it's 4 lane divided. The bridges and other hints clearly show that one side is newer than the other, though. Nova SS 04:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

US 167 in El Dorado, AR is not a super 2
I found that US 167 in El Dorado is not a super 2.. Its intersection with AR 7 is controlled, but that's about it. Nova SS 04:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Official definitions of super-2
Oklahoma:
 * As used in this section, a super two-lane highway shall mean any two-lane highway with designated passing lanes, and consisting of paved shoulders not less than eight (8) feet in width.

Ohio:
 * A super two-lane highway, wider than a normal two-lane road, is designed to allow for safer, faster travel, because it includes turn lanes and deacceleration lanes, Athens County Commissioner David Ratliff said.

National Freight Transportation Workshop Proceedings:
 * The two studies found an alternative called "super two" lane roads that were economically justified. The features of a super-two highway are:
 * two paved travel lanes 12- to 15-feet wide
 * 10-foot paved shoulders, or at least a three-foot strip of asphalt and the balance graveled, with a 33-foot clear zone in rural area
 * a design speed of 70-miles per hour except a 60-mph limit in rolling hills
 * maximum grade of three degrees
 * vertical clearance of at least 16-feet
 * bridges that exceed road width by three-feet on each side
 * passing lanes every five miles
 * bypasses around smaller communities
 * turn lane and acceleration lanes at intersections

Semisequicentennial Transportation Conference Proceedings
 * Super Two refers to a freeway or controlled access at-grade roadway with a single through lane per direction. The design features of the Super Two work together to maximize the capacity of that single lane. The key defining elements of a Super Two include:
 * Full width lanes, paved shoulders, and clear zones
 * A center buffer area
 * Limited access, with turn lanes for all permitted turns
 * Horizontal and vertical curves with high design speeds
 * Passing lanes, speed differential, and truck lanes
 * Provisions for expansion to freeway or divided roadway
 * Proper interchange design for a two-lane freeway

Minnesota:
 * Super Two: a two-lane highway with wide shoulders and periodic passing lanes

AASHTO safety?:
 * Even though there is a broad range of definitions for the "Super Two" design in both the United States and Europe, most definitions are characterized by wider cross sections. These designs include wider lanes, wider full-strength shoulders, and high-speed alignment with 100-percent passing sight distance. A common design for the United States includes 14-ft travel lanes, 10-ft shoulders, and a design speed of 70 mph. The design may also include alternating passing lanes and sometimes two-way left-turn lanes.

It looks like most official (non-roadgeek) definitions are what's referred to here as a "super-2 expressway". I'm thinking of moving this article to two-lane freeway or undivided freeway, while super two should deal with the actual definition. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems ) 18:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * All those references are only for the USA. So another possible choice could be official classifications of roads in the USA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.96.59 (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Highway 16 (Ontario)?
The article on Ontario highway 16/416 links here. The (former) Ontario 16 highway (Ogdensburg NY - Ottawa ON) did use what is now the northbound 416 freeway from Johnstown to Manotick as a two-lane highway with a posted speed limit of 56mph (90km/h) instead of the 50mph (80km/h) in use on most other two-lane Ontario highways, but is this enough to qualify it as a two-lane freeway or super-two if (before the rest of the 416 was constructed): So basically an undivided two-lane road with level crossings at all intersections. Sure, it was planned and built to be routed on the path of what was later to be a freeway, but (other than the wide right-of-way and the absence of any buildings at roadside) what makes this a two-lane freeway as opposed to just another provincial highway in the middle of nowhere? --carlb 14:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The highway, while routed away from any villages through a freeway-sized and vacant right-of-way, did not have any of its overpasses installed until after it was upgraded to build a 400-series freeway
 * Major intersections (such as the crossroads of former highways 16 and 43) did use traffic lights and level crossing
 * While traffic lights were rare, all intersections were level crossings. These were either turned into overpasses or dead-ends (where a rural secondary road is terminated just short of the highway) once this was replaced with a freeway.
 * There were no businesses, driveways or services of any kind on this stretch of road, as it was intended for later upgrade to limited-access.

Natchez Trace Parkway?
It's hard to tell, as the article doesn't clearly define a two-lane freeway (versus a regular two-lane highway), but would the Natchez Trace Parkway (and possibly other NPS parkways, such as the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Colonial Parkway, although I'm not personally familiar with them) be considered two-lane freeways? They (at least the Natchez Trace) are limited access (and do not stop for cross traffic ever), contained in their own right-of-way, and feel very much like driving a two-lane freeway (although the NPS keeps the speed limits deliberately low--50, in the case of the Natchez Trace, lower on the others, I think, despite road conditions being fine for 65, 70 or higher). I didn't want to add them to this article without checking first. Thoughts? cluth 08:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * It's true that they are in esscence limited access two lane roads. However, because the term "freeway" kind of implies a high speed route through route, I'm not 100% on adding those roads. Not totally opposed though either. The parkways were built for scenic purposes as opposed to most roads which are meant to carry goods and people from one place to another. It would be nice if we had a clear definition of a two lane freeway from AASHTO or someone and then it would be easier to decide whether to add them.--Analogue Kid 14:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I've never heard of any of those being considered freeways. - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One!

Franconia Notch Parkway (I-93)
...is actually a mixture of 4 lanes (southern state park boundary to exit 34A, and exit 34C to northern state park boundary), 3 lanes (2 northbound, 1 southbound) in the southern portion of the Notch, and 2 lanes northward to exit 34C. No, I don't recall the exact mile marker where the second northbound lane drops out, but it's well north of exit 34A (where the second southbound lane reappears). The official Parkway (designated by white-on-brown informational signs) includes a long stretch of 4-lane interstate-grade road with a 45 MPH speed limit in the southern section of FNSP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.78.7.125 (talk) 19:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

 * The Parkway is a divided highway, which varies from the common definition of a super-2. This segment of I-93 was built as a Super-2 to protect the Old Man of the Mountain from damage or collapse associated with blasting enough rock to build a standard four lane Interstate along Profile Lake (1,200 ft below the Old Man). The Old Man collapsed from natural causes in May 2003. Are there any plans to bring the Franconia Notch Parkway up to full Interstate standards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sehome Bay (talk • contribs) 13:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Compare and contrast with other countries
This article and discussion may be suffering from a natural US bias, since most of us haven't had the opportunity to drive across that big lake between the US and Europe. But it looks like some similar road types exist over there: Both articles have rudimentary sections dealing with US applications. It seems like for the non-roadgeek community, it would be helpful to merge the articles into an overview of road types that don't quite reach the bar of four-lane-plus, fully-controlled-access. For us roadgeeks, we badly need our own roadwiki, where we can define every possible permutation of highway type and designation. If the Trekkies can have their Memory Alpha, why can't we? --Robertb-dc 22:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Super two, as defined in Ireland, might look like just a wide two-lane highway here.
 * 2+1 road, in Ireland and possibly Denmark, appears to be a road like Kentucky's Daniel Boone Parkway (sorry, Hal Rogers Parkway, because nobody's heard of Daniel Boone :P ) except that it has a tensabarrier (linky?) in the middle and no passing except where the third lane exists.

Name should be changed back to two-lane freeway
No one uses the term two-lane expressway except to describe roads like the old U.S. 395 in Mono County (that is, two lanes of opposing traffic, with a wide separation, but with at-grade intersections). The term two-lane expressway is NOT used in the way in which it is defined in this article. The term two-lane freeway is much more common in the published literature.

I am countering Vegaswikian's extremely poorly thought-out page move in a few days. --Coolcaesar (talk) 13:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Oh, great. I just tried to move this back and I can't because there's already a redirect there from the first move.  I'll have to draft a proposal to get an admin to do the move.  What a mess.  This is why, as a matter of courtesy, you're supposed to discuss proposed moves FIRST before doing them, so that people like me can point out when a proposed move is just laughably stupid.--Coolcaesar (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

additional photo requested
The photo given does not seem to depict an expressway; perhaps an additional photo would clarify. Bwrs (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Rare four line undivided?
Are four lane undivided freeways really much rarer? They are fairly common in South Africa in more rural areas. A good example is the N3; from the Buccleuch interchange in the northern suburbs of Johannesburg to Villiers it is an eight, six or four lane divided freeway and then from Villiers to Warden a four lane undivided freeway. From Warden to Harrismith there is a gap in the freeway because there are at-grade intersections. Around Harrismith there is a four lane undivided freeway bypass and then another non-freeway section to just past Van Reenen. From Van Reenen to the R103 interchange is 4-lane undivided and then from there on to Durban 4 to 8 lane divided freeway.

This is a typical section:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Roodepoort,+Gauteng,+South+Africa&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.514185,39.506836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Roodepoort,+Gauteng,+South+Africa&t=k&layer=c&cbll=-27.028864,28.61647&panoid=t1LtgGYS1Rlw489z6tTOrQ&cbp=12,141.34,,0,8.8&ll=-27.029145,28.616756&spn=0.003417,0.004823&z=18 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 (talk) 18:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Statistics for 1957-1958 in the USA are here: https://books.google.fr/books?id=Fo8jAQAAMAAJ
 * It looks like four line undivided was 1% of US road and 30% of 4 lanes roads at that time.
 * Of course, it might depend on various factors: urban/rural, countries' legal framework, cost/safety political choices for instance.
 * Anyway for south Africa, it is quite similar: http://www.nra.co.za/live/content.php?Session_ID=d46c04c22ac2cc1f2b99bbf2fe7a84c0&Item_ID=279
 * For France, the collisions/fatalities/injuries data (slide "Page 67" ) suggests undivided 4 lanes (Chaussée simple, 4 voies et +) exists with: (around 3% of fatalities on motorways, around 4% in urban areas, and around 0.5% in rural areas, although the unknown is much bigger), in 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.188.226 (talk) 22:57, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Anyway, even if there are 4 lanes roads in western Europe, I do not believe they would be considered in this region neither as motorway nor as express road. For instance, in France, the trend is to limit the speed at 80 km/h rather than 90 km/h on (usually 2 lanes) undivided rural roads, with the goal to save between 300 and 400 lives yearly.
 * In South Africa, it looks like the four line undivided highway are planned this way: «2.0m wide paved median to make provision for cable barrier is preferred. However, for AADT’s of less than 15 000 vehs/day a painted median approximately 800mm wide can be considered.»
 * Might be the road you showed has a median width similar to sv:Riksväg_51? But the Riksväg 51 had some kind of small median and appear to be limited to 100 km/h, in its southern 4 lanes part, as shown in the GAFA's maps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.188.226 (talk) 11:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 29 May 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Number   5  7  18:11, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Two-lane expressway → Two-lane freeway – User:Vegaswikian improperly moved Two-lane freeway to Two-lane expressway on 24 October 2008. I pointed out on 29 May 2009 exactly why that was a really bad idea because the latter term is applied only to a very narrow set of roads, which are at most a small subset of the kinds actually addressed in the article. As six years have elapsed and User:Vegaswikian has failed to defend his/her use of the wrong term, I suggest it is time to move this article back to where it belongs. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC) Coolcaesar (talk) 16:19, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - freeway is more common, etc. Red Slash 22:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose it implies there are no tollbooths on any of these, when they are actually limited access routes, and not toll-free routes. -- 70.51.46.11 (talk) 06:59, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The free in freeway doesn't mean "free of charges or tolls", it means "free-moving traffic". A freeway can have tolls and still remain a freeway.  Imzadi 1979  →   07:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said, it implies no tolls. Expressway has not such implication. -- 70.51.46.11 (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * An expressway is a different, but related concept. Expressways have lower levels of access control allowing some driveways. They may also have cross-traffic from at-grade intersections. Freeways have full access control disallowing driveways in most cases and they're fully grade separated. In the Venn diagram, all freeways are also expressways, but not all expressways are freeways. Either classification my have tolls.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:38, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That argues even more strongly against using "freeway", since under that statement, "expressway" is more inclusive but describes virtually the same thing. Further, we don't have separate expressway and freeway articles, so the more inclusive term is more appropriate. Under both implied and WP:JARGON usage, "expressway" is the better term. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 06:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually there are two separate articles, Limited-access road covers the concept of expressways as controlled-access highway covers freeways. -  Floydian  τ ¢  00:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "Expressway" is a dab page, listing both those articles, so, as stated before, "expressway" is still the better choice. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - most Super twos are a staging for an upgrade to a full freeway when traffic warrants. Although they are generally controlled access highways, they often feature some at-grade intersections or even traffic lights that make them not quite a freeway. -  Floydian  τ ¢  15:19, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * A "two-lane expressway" with limited access is nearly indistinguishable as a practical matter from a two-lane arterial road; the only difference is less or no driveways to private property. "Controlled access" with at-grade intersections or traffic lights is an oxymoron. Most drivers would agree that there is a substantial difference in terms of the quality of driving between a road that they know for certain has very little chance of catastrophic 90-degree high-speed side collisions for the next few hundred miles (because it has full access control at interchanges), such as Interstate 5, versus a road where side collisions can and do happen on at-grade intersections, such as U.S. Route 101 on its expressway portions. A true Super Two or two-lane freeway is thus much more readily distinguishable from an ordinary arterial road, rather than a two-lane expressway. (Plus it is much more expensive to achieve full access control.)  --Coolcaesar (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, controlled-access means not just interchanges and free-flowing movements, but also refers to property connections. Without control of access, any business or resident can put a driveway out to the highway from their adjacent property. Roads have to be designated as such for control-of-access to apply. Also, as I mentioned, super twos are usually designed for future expansion: wide right-of-way (possibly even graded for future opposing lanes), property reserved for future interchanges, maybe a handful built but other not. In my mind the best example of what encompasses this type is the St. Thomas Expressway -  Floydian  τ  ¢  16:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, the more I think about it, the better way to handle this situation is to have separate articles on two-lane freeways and two-lane expressways. For example, California State Route 108 through Sonora (the Sonora Expressway) is a true two-lane expressway while Interstate 93 in New Hampshire at Franconia Notch is a two-lane freeway (with a center barrier). Both have no driveways and both are controlled-access highways in the sense that all cross-traffic is handled by interchanges, but it is a lot easier to get in a head-on crash on one than the other. --Coolcaesar (talk) 09:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Reluctantly support because the original move was improper. ONR (talk) 20:43, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose As a native Californian, I was used to calling these roads freeways but now that I live on the East Coast, I never hear that term used, it is always highway or expressway. If you check the East Coast roads and routes that are called "freeways" in this article, you will see they are identified as highways on their articles. I think the most generic word should be used and for different roads in his article, freeway should be changed to highway when the latter is more accurate. Liz  Read! Talk! 22:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The reason for that is that many of the old East Coast highway departments are wildly screwed up because of high levels of corruption, so historically they have ended up with a lot of patronage hires who have no idea what they are doing. Most anti-corruption measures that were implemented across the Midwest and West Coast were never implemented on the East Coast.  The more professional West Coast highway departments developed the consistent freeway/expressway dichotomy which has been implemented in federal law in the form of the MUTCD (and other federal publications).  A freeway is not supposed to have any at-grade intersections; an expressway may have a limited number of them. --Coolcaesar (talk) 09:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. The original move was improper. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, that move was made 7 years ago! At least give your reasoning on why one is superior to the other. -  Floydian  τ ¢  02:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Oppose. I'm not sure the current title is best, but I don't see any argument supporting the move that is based on usage in reliable sources. If someone finds appropriate sources, please ping me and I might change my mind. --В²C ☎ 03:09, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Prefer Motorway, as nuanced meaning of "expressway" may not be correct, and the "free" in "freeway" is often not correct, conflicting with tollways. In terms of details as covered, it is not a good idea to discriminate tollways.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The "free" in freeway does not refer to the price of driving the road. A tolled freeway isn't an oxymoron. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  16:18, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

UK ?
The term is not used in the UK, nor I believe in European languages, so it is pure synth to extrapolate that they exist/do not exist. Dual/single carriageway are UK terms, but they do not have the same associations/definitions used here. Pincrete (talk) 11:05, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * For the EU, you can have a look at Transport in the European Union which provide info about: motorways, express roads, and 4 lanes roads. That is if the UK is considered as part of the EU. For any other concept (than UK part of the EU), it is up to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.96.59 (talk) 21:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

The difference between a two-lane freeway and a two-lane expressway
This is for the benefit of people who still don't understand the difference, which was what held up the proposed move back in May 2015.

Go look at California State Route 108 in Sonora, California and U.S. Route 101 near Willits, California on Google Street View. The Sonora Bypass (completed 2013) is a two-lane expressway. The Willits Bypass (completed 2016) is mostly a two-lane freeway, except for a very short four-lane section just south of the town.

Notice how both bypasses were built as two lanes wide, one in each direction, with broad shoulders and no center divider. Both have access control in the sense of no driveways.

Here is what the Willits Bypass has that the Sonora Bypass does not: It is really that simple. And yes, those small differences matter. User restrictions and no at-grade intersections means the probability is significantly reduced of T-bone side crashes and of striking pedestrians in the roadway at 55 mph. Which is why the speed limit can be set higher at 65 mph. If you don't understand why that's important, you haven't seen enough car crash scenes or read enough accident reports. --Coolcaesar (talk) 20:10, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Begin Freeway and End Freeway signs at each end.
 * User restrictions. (Notice the little signs at the interchanges at each end of Willits saying pedestrians and motor-driven cycles must exit.)
 * Freeway Entrance signs on the onramps at interchanges.
 * No at-grade intersections. (The Sonora Bypass has a single at-grade intersection with traffic lights with Lime Kiln Road.)
 * Higher speed limit, posted at 65 mph. (The Sonora Bypass doesn't have posted speed limits, meaning the default rural highway speed limit of 55 mph applies.)

 * Here's another example from Google Ngram Viewer: Since 2004, two-lane freeway has been the more common term in the literature than two-lane expressway. The one outlier is during the early 1960s, when two-lane expressway was more common. Reviewing Google Books materials from that period reveals that Caltrans discussed both types of roads in their publications in that timeframe because they were building a lot of both at the time.  They were building a lot of two-lane expressways (basically two-lane highways with no driveways but with a few at-grade intersections) in the hope of upgrading them to two-lane freeways and then later, four-lane freeways. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

 * The difference is jurisdictional. Some places do not have any differentiation between a freeway or expressway, some do. For example, in Ontario we use the terms interchangeably, although some cities have their urban freeways termed as "municipal expressways", some are just "expressway" in name, and would be better described as limited-access roads. - Floydian τ ¢ 15:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Which is exactly why the majority position in the United States at the federal level and in many states is to draw a clear distinction: a freeway is a controlled-access road and an expressway is a limited-access road. The point of an expressway is that it has some limited driveways and at-grade intersections, so drivers will expect and deal with cross-traffic and right-in-right-out traffic.  The point of a freeway is that it is nearly always guaranteed to be free from cross-traffic (except for ships at drawbridges).  Unfortunately, the jurisdictions that refused to adopt that clear distinction make life more difficult for all travelers (because then everyone has to either research road terminology thoroughly in advance or drive slowly until they figure out what kind of road they are dealing with).  --Coolcaesar (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Listing every instance?
I am concerned about the direction this article is taking. Do we really need to list every single instance of a two-lane expressway? It seems US-centric but if we added the rest of the world it would likely be super long. This sort of list also can result in original research. Rschen7754 21:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I say we cut the listings, we do not need to list every example.  Dough   4872   23:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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USS Miantonomoh

USS Miantonomoh may refer to the following ships of the United States Navy:

 * USS Miantonomoh (1863), was a monitor launched in 1863 and broken up in 1875
 * USS Miantonomoh (BM-5), was a monitor launched in 1876 and decommissioned in 1907

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Forest City Velodrome

The Forest City Velodrome is an indoor cycling facility in London, Ontario, Canada. The building was constructed in 1963 as the London Gardens, home to the London Knights ice hockey team. In 1994 it was renamed London Ice House. In early 2005 it was remodeled into the Forest City Velodrome by local cycling enthusiast and track racer Rob Good and Albert Coulier's Apollo Velodrome Systems company.

It is one of two velodromes in Ontario and one of five indoor cycling facilities in all North America.

The Forest City Velodrome is the shortest permanent velodrome in the world, measuring 138 metres with 50-degree bankings and 17-degree straights.

The Forest City Velodrome runs several programs designed to encourage recreational cycling and develop competitive cyclists. Learn to ride programs introduce new riders to track cycling. Organized drills help cyclists hone their skills. Frequent recreational sessions give riders of various skill levels time to ride on the track for fun, fitness and training. Periodic race nights develop racing skills and give spectators the chance to learn about and enjoy track cycling events. In 2013, the track hosted the Ontario Provincial Track Championships.

The building that is now called the Forest City Velodrome has gone through many alterations over the years. One of its more famous moments took place in February 1968 when Johnny Cash proposed to June Carter on stage during a performance.

2019 24-Hour Track Attack
In February 2019, Canadian Hour record-holder and former National Team cyclist Ed Veal rode the Forest City Velodrome for 24 hours to set a new Canadian record for distance covered over the period, and to raise money to support upgrades and renovations of the facility. Over $50,000 was raised by the event. Members of the Forest City Velodrome contributed to the event as support riders for Veal during the event.

2023 Closure announcement
In June 2023 the Executive announced that due to an inability to come to agreement with the landlord on a lease extension the facility would close effective June 30, 2023.

2023 Closer Announcement cancelled
As the closure was the sole decision of the past President, without discussing with the members, the closure was annulled. The track is opened for the public as of September 29, 2023.

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Super-2
This article is a redirect of Super-4. I wanted some information about a super-4 to be presented, but instead it was redirected to super-2. I guess it is superfluous to have 2 articles like this to somebody's standards; a similar dispute occured with the Boyfriend and Girlfriend article in the past. There are some examples of a super-4 expressway with interstate designations. One is I-75 at the northern end of the Mackinac Bridge even though it has more than 4 lanes at that protion. --SuperDude 01:34, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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For You (Casey Donovan album)

For You is the debut studio album by Australian Idol series two winner Casey Donovan, produced by Bryon Jones and released on 13 December 2004 by Sony BMG.The album debuted at number two on the Australian ARIA Albums Chart. The album included the number one single "Listen with Your Heart".

Charts
For You debuted on the Australian ARIA Albums Chart at number two on 20 December 2004 with sales of 34,036 copies. It was kept off the top spot by Robbie Williams' album Greatest Hits

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Charlie Brown (Georgia politician)

Charles Manley Brown Jr. (November 20, 1902 – May 19, 1995 ) was a long-time U.S. politician in Atlanta, sometimes called Charlie Brown.

Biography
Charlie Brown was born in Birmingham, Alabama, the third child and second son of storekeeper Charles Manley Brown Sr., and Mamie Susan "Sook" Fickett Brown. His father died in 1904, five months before the birth of their fifth child. Charles Sr.'s father, Henry Hart Brown, had been a journalist, lawyer, and politician, serving several terms in the Alabama state legislature and one term as sheriff.

A graduate of Georgia Tech, Brown was a commissioner of Fulton County, Georgia (where Atlanta is the county seat) from 1941 to 1948, and from 1966 to 1979. He served as chairman of the commission from 1945 to 1947 and 1976 to 1978, and at other times during 1966, 1968, 1971, and 1974. He also served as a state senator from Fulton County in the Georgia General Assembly from 1957 to 1964, and retired from politics in 1979. He unsuccessfully ran for mayor of Atlanta in 1949, 1953, and 1961. He was touted as a candidate in 1957, and would-be supporters mailed out thousands of postcards to support a write-in vote for him, and he never entered the race officially that year.

He also served on the Fulton-DeKalb Hospital Authority which oversees Grady Memorial Hospital. He was also involved in many other programs, including starting both MARTA and Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium. He was also involved in the creation of the Fulton County Airport at west Atlanta, which was named Charlie Brown Field in his honor.

Personal life
Brown married Elise Anderson. They had two daughters.

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Albert E. Brumley

Albert Edward Brumley (October 29, 1905 – November 15, 1977) was an American shape note music composer and publisher, prolific in the genre of southern gospel.

Biography
Brumley was born near Spiro, Oklahoma on October 29, 1905, into a family of sharecroppers. He spent much of his early life chopping and picking cotton on his family's farm. In 1926, he enrolled in the Hartford Musical Institute of Hartford, Arkansas, and studied there through 1931. The institute was led by Eugene Monroe Bartlett (1884–1941), owner of the Hartford Music Company and composer of the well-known gospel song "Victory in Jesus". Brumley purchased Hartford Music Company in 1948.

Brumley married Goldie Edith Schell in 1931. They lived on the banks of Big Sugar Creek in Powell, Missouri, where they raised six children.

"I'll Fly Away," "Turn Your Radio On," "If We Never Meet Again (This Side of Heaven)," "I'll Meet You in the Morning," "Rank Stranger," and "He Set Me Free" are among a host of favorites written by Albert E. Brumley. He wrote over 800 songs. He established the Albert E. Brumley Sundown to Sunup Gospel Sing (now Albert E. Brumley Gospel Sing) in 1969 in Springdale, Arkansas. Brumley has been inducted into the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame, Gospel Music Hall of Fame, and Oklahoma Music Hall of Fame.

Albert Brumley was a member of the Church of Christ and is buried at Fox Church of Christ Cemetery near Powell, Missouri. He died November 15, 1977. Brumley's son Tom, who would die in 2009, later became a respected steel guitarist in country music and songleader in the Church of Christ in Powell.

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KTSA

KTSA (550 AM "107.1 and 550 KTSA") is a commercial radio station in San Antonio, Texas. KTSA is owned by Alpha Media and airs a news/talk radio format. Its studios, offices and three-tower transmitter site are on Eisenhauer Road in San Antonio.

Most hours begin with world and national news from ABC News Radio. Weekdays feature mostly local talk hosts by day, with some syndicated shows in afternoons and nights, including Dave Ramsey, Lars Larson, Dana Loesch and Red Eye Radio. Weekends include programs on money, health, home repair, cars, gardening and pets. Some weekend shows are paid brokered programming.

FM Translator
KTSA programming can also be heard on FM translator K296GK at 107.1 MHz. Since KTSA is a Class B station broadcasting with 5,000 watts twenty four hours per day, the FM translator doesn't necessarily improve coverage, but it does afford listeners the ability to listen to high fidelity sound on the FM band.

Early years
KTSA was first licensed, with the call sign WCAR, on May 9, 1922, to John C. Rodriguez's Alamo Radio Electric Company at 608 West Evergreen Street. The call letters were randomly assigned from a sequential roster of available call letters. (Prior to January 1923, radio stations in Texas were given call letters beginning with "W".) WCAR was initially assigned to the sole available "entertainment wavelength" of the time, 360 meters (833 kHz), which required it to establish a time-sharing agreement with the other local stations. WCAR was the first licensed radio station in San Antonio, however it was the second to begin broadcasting, taking the airwaves shortly after the short-lived San Antonio Express station, WJAE, debuted on August 5. A schedule published on August 16, 1922, covering the next five days, reported that WCAR and WJAE had an evening broadcast slot of one hour each.

In late 1924 WCAR was reassigned to 1140 kHz. The call sign changed from WCAR to KTSA in early 1927, reflecting the slogan "Kum To San Antonio", and later that year the station was assigned to 1130 kHz. On November 11, 1928, with the implementation of the Federal Radio Commission's (FRC) General Order 40, KTSA was assigned to 1290 kHz on a time-sharing basis with KFUL in Galveston. KTSA's full-time operation began on April 29, 1933, after the FRC approved WCAR's purchase and shutting down of KFUL.

In 1935, KTSA moved to 550 kHz, increasing its daytime coverage area by going from 1,000 to 5,000 watts. The station was owned by Southwest Broadcasting Company at this time, and it became an affiliate of the Southwest Network and the CBS Radio Network. KTSA carried the network's schedule of dramas, comedies, news, sports, soap operas, game shows and big band broadcasts during the Golden Age of Radio.

On October 28, 1940, KTSA played host to the first and only meeting between noted science fiction author H.G. Wells and radio dramatist Orson Welles, which occurred nearly two years after the panic created by Welles' broadcast of The War of the Worlds. An advertisement in the 1949 edition of Broadcasting Yearbook said KTSA had been a CBS affiliate for 20 years, delivering 25.1% more radio families in the daytime and 20.6% more radio families in the nighttime. The ad was aimed at advertisers who might otherwise want to buy time on NBC Red Network affiliate 1200 WOAI, which remains KTSA's rival to this day.

Top 40 Era
For a time the San Antonio Express-News Corporation owned the station. In 1956, rock and roll radio pioneer Gordon McLendon bought KTSA. He made it one of the first full-time Top 40 stations in America. KTSA became an overnight sensation because of the music and outrageous, for the time, promotions. One included a flagpole sitter at the O. R. Mitchell Dodge used car dealership on Broadway, and the KTSA Easter Egg Hunt, which swamped San Pedro Springs Park with thousands of listeners searching for a $1000 KTSA Golden Egg.

In 1957, KTSA got competition from AM 860 KONO, which changed to a top 40 format and hired several of KTSA's disk jockeys. By this time, McLendon had successful stations in El Paso (KELP), Dallas (KLIF), and Houston (KILT), and used the El Paso and San Antonio stations as farm teams for his larger markets. Because KTSA was located at 550 on the dial, his station promoted on the air that it played the "Top 55 Hits." Under McLendon ownership, KTSA obtained Federal Communications Commission (FCC) permission to use the call letters "KAKI-FM" on KTSA's planned FM station, reportedly to honor San Antonio's military personnel (with "KAKI" meaning "khaki", a type of fabric used in military uniforms). In 1958 KTSA's call letters were also briefly switched to KAKI. After KAKI-AM-FM letterhead and promotional materials were printed, management learned that the call letters could be pronounced as slang in Spanish for baby feces. AM 550 quickly returned to its KTSA call sign. And plans to put the FM station on the air were scrapped.

McLendon sold KTSA in 1965. The FCC had a rule at that time that a single owner could not own more than seven radio stations nationally. When McLendon bought his eighth radio station, San Antonio was one of his smallest markets. So he sold KTSA to Waterman Broadcasting, with Bernard Waterman as the president. KTSA remained one of San Antonio's most listened-to stations until contemporary music listening switched to FM radio. In 1969, KTSA signed on an FM sister station, 102.7 KTFM (now KJXK).

Switch to Talk Radio
In the 1980s, the Top 40 format moved over to KTFM, while KTSA switched to a full service adult contemporary sound, with some talk programming at night. By 1992, the music had been eliminated and the station became a fulltime talk outlet.

In 2000, KTSA and its FM station, then with the call letters KSRX, were acquired by the Infinity Broadcasting Corporation, a division of CBS. Then in 2007, KTSA and its FM station, 102.7 KJXK, were bought by Border Media Partners (BMP Radio) for $45 million. On July 27, 2009, Border Media Partners was taken over by its lenders in an "amicable manner," according to an FCC filing. Border Media had not made a debt payment in two years, according to the San Antonio Express-News. This resulted in BMP selling the station to L&L Broadcasting (now Alpha Media) in 2013.

FM Translator
On February 26, 2015, KTSA began simulcasting on FM translator K296GK 107.1 FM in San Antonio. It had been upgraded and moved from its original city of license in Pleasanton, Texas.

Former On-Air Staff
KTSA staff inducted into the Texas Radio Hall of Fame include Ricci Ware, Brad Messer, Don Keyes, and Barry Kaye. Popular 1950s and 1960s rock and roll disk jockeys also included Bruce Hathaway, Pat Tallman and Charlie Vann. Mark Velasco was a popular KTSA host in the 1980s.

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Moved it here. Am creating a stub for the Prince album of the same title, and turning For You into a disambig page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcsweet (talk • contribs) 01:35, 24 April 2005 (UTC)

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Providence Biltmore

The Graduate Providence is an upscale hotel that opened in 1922 as the Providence Biltmore Hotel, part of the Bowman-Biltmore Hotels chain. It is located on the southern corner of Kennedy Plaza at 11 Dorrance Street in downtown Providence, Rhode Island. It was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1977 and is a member of Historic Hotels of America, the official program of the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

Early history
The Providence Biltmore was conceived by the Providence Chamber of Commerce and funded through a public campaign in which 1,800 citizens contributed to pay for the construction costs. The management contract for the hotel was awarded to the Bowman-Biltmore Hotels chain, founded by John McEntee Bowman and Louis Wallick. The hotel was built in the neo-Federal Beaux-arts style and designed by the architectural firm of Warren and Wetmore, who also designed Grand Central Terminal. The hotel opened to much fanfare on June 6, 1922, and was the second-tallest building in the city after the Rhode Island State House, until the Industrial Trust Tower was finished six years later. Today, the Biltmore is the 9th-tallest building in the city.

The Biltmore was the city’s only luxury hotel and welcomed many famous (and infamous) guests over the course of the 20th century. Mobsters, bootleggers, celebrities and politicians frequented the hotel and its many restaurants and bars. The hotel was the backdrop for many Rhode Island political and social scandals over the years, many of which are documented in the book Meet Me At The Biltmore.

The Biltmore welcomed both black and white guests during a time when racial discrimination in public accommodations was common. Starting in 1941, the hotel paid for a listing in The Negro Motorist Green Book, a travel guide for Black travelers.

Middle years and decline
The Biltmore was bought by Sheraton Hotels in 1947 and renamed the Sheraton-Biltmore Hotel. Providence was flooded by Hurricane Carol in 1954, leaving much of the hotel's lobby underwater; a plaque commemorates the high water mark today, eight feet up on the lobby columns. Sheraton sold the hotel, along with seventeen other aging properties, to Gotham Hotels in 1968 and it became the Biltmore Hotel & Motor Inn. In 1975, amidst a flurry of lawsuits over tens of thousands of dollars of unpaid utility bills and back taxes, Gotham Hotels was forced to close the Biltmore. It remained vacant for four years.

Restoration
With the hotel facing demolition; Mayor Buddy Cianci helped with efforts to designate the hotel a landmark. A group of local businessmen, including Bruce Sundlun of the Outlet Company, Michael Metcalf of The Providence Journal, G. William Miller of Textron, and Jim Winoker and Dominic Zinni of B.B. Greenberg Company, purchased the hotel. They used Federal tax credits to restore the hotel, reopening it in February 1979 as the The Biltmore Plaza, operated by Boston hospitality management firm Hotels of Distinction. The Biltmore's external glass elevator was added during this renovation, and served all 18 floors of the hotel (though it no longer runs). In 1983, the owners retained Dunfey Hotels to manage the hotel, which was renamed Biltmore Plaza, A Dunfey Hotel. Soon after, Dunfey was reorganized as Omni Hotels, and the hotel was renamed the Omni Biltmore Hotel. By the 1990s, the Omni Biltmore was fully owned by The Providence Journal. They sold the hotel to the Grand Heritage Hotels chain in July 1995, for $7 million, and it was renamed the Providence Biltmore. The hotel was sold out of receivership on May 31, 2012 to Finard Coventry Hotel Management, for $16 million. Finard Coventry invested a further $10 million in renovations, and the hotel joined Curio, A Collection by Hilton, on December 16, 2014.

Graduate Providence
In October 2017, the Biltmore was sold to AJ Capital Partners, a Chicago-based hotel and real estate firm, for $43.6 million. The hotel was renovated and renamed Graduate Providence on April 2, 2019, as part of AJ Capital's boutique chain of "Graduate" hotels, in college towns across the United States. The new owners have retained the hotel's iconic neon "Biltmore" sign.

Description
The hotel was originally built with 600 rooms; later, walls were knocked down and suites were created. It now offers 292 guest rooms.

The hotel contains banquet space of over 19000 sqft. The rooftop level Grand Ballroom offers expansive views of the city and Kennedy Plaza and can hold up to 750 guests; its event space is designed for functions such as wedding receptions, banquet service, and conferences.

It was the tallest and largest hotel in Providence for 71 years, until The Westin Providence (today known as the Omni Providence Hotel) was completed in 1993. The hotel was home to the largest Starbucks in New England from 2003-2019.

Cinema backdrop
The Providence Biltmore features prominently in the 2004 Jeff Nathanson film The Last Shot, and the 2007 Anne Fletcher film 27 Dresses.

Showtime episodes of Brotherhood from 2004 to 2007 were also shot here.

Literature
In 2022, author Amanda Quay Blount published Meet Me At The Biltmore, a book chronicling the hotel's storied past alongside Providence’s highs and lows throughout the 20th century.

The Hotel is the scene of a Brown University collegiate reunion in The Devil Wears Prada by Lauren Weisberger. It is also mentioned a number of times in Jeffrey Eugenides' book The Marriage Plot, which takes place at Brown in 1982.

Television
The Providence Hotel is shown as a scene is NOS4A2, The Hourglass (S2, E6), series on AMC. Air Date: July 26, 2020

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On April 6, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Votes for deletion/Jacob Neusner bibliography for a record of the discussion. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:37, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It was nominated again, and kept: Votes for deletion/Jacob Neusner bibliography 2. Eugene van der Pijll 21:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Why was the conclusion listed as "keep"?
Why was the conclusion listed as "keep"? Looking at the most recent discussion page on the proposal to delete the article, shouldn't it be concluded that the consensus was to trim down the bibliography to a more reasonable level, and merge that into the main Jacob Neusner article? I am concerned that Neusner's massive bibliography page is (a) not an encyclopedia article, (b) a vanity page, (c) Totally out of line when compared to the bibliographies of all other people on this entire encyclopedia, and (d) not even in line with Neusner's own college! They don't bother to place all this info on their website. Given the comments on the discussion page, I hope if no one takes offense at me attempting to edit this bibliography down to a more modest level. RK 21:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Please see Articles_for_deletion/Jacob_Neusner_bibliography_2

 * I think that is the best thing one can do with this page. JFW | T@lk  22:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Honsetly, This page is ridiculous. I suggest we place all the translations as one entry, (translations of Talmud and Medrash), and similar editing.Wolf2191 15:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I attempted to cut down on entries but it's to much work. I suggest cutting out all translation entries into one main entry. If no complaints over next few days I'll do it. As it is the page is not useful.Wolf2191 15:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus in 25 days. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

} List of books by Jacob Neusner → Jacob Neusner bibliography – This article is an author bibliography, in other words, it is a list of published works by a particular author. In the Category:Bibliographies by author, there are 244 entries. ~97% of those articles are entitled Author bibliography. Per WP:PRINCIPALNAMINGCRITERIA of which ''Consistency – Does the proposed title follow the same pattern as those of similar articles? Many of these patterns are documented in the naming guidelines listed in the Specific-topic naming conventions box above, and ideally indicate titles that are in accordance with the principles behind the above questions.'' is policy and the advice given in WikiProject Bibliographies, the proposed title is better from a consistency standpoint. Mike Cline (talk) 16:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Strongly oppose this hobgoblin. Consistency in error is not desirable; and the same link shows that precision is also valued. The present title describes this article and no other; the proposed title would describe this article, a list of works about him, or a mixture. JCScaliger (talk) 02:10, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment ~97% of the 246 articles in Category:Bibliographies by author are entited Author bibliography. A bibliography About someone is properly entitled Bibliography of author, the author being to topic of the bibliography, not the author of the works listed. Bibliography of Abraham Lincoln is a good example of this. --Mike Cline (talk) 02:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Around here, however, that level of consistency usually the result of some lone editor riding a hobbyhorse. The distinction is not visible and not helpful to the passing reader. List of works by and Bibliography on would be unambiguous and so preferable. JCScaliger (talk) 02:59, 21 November 2011 (UTC) JCScaliger (talk) 02:57, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Exceedingly ambiguous terminology is being effected by WP Biblio which is extremely unhelpful and overly confusing for grammatically equivalent phrases under English grammar rules. We should not be promoting ambiguous jargon for articles that should be clearly delineated. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 07:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support If we follow the new recommendations that we arrived at in this discussion, there will be no confusion:
 * Books by an author: John Doe bibliography
 * Books about an author: Bibliography of works on John Doe
 * I notice, by the way, that no one who has actually contributed to this article is weighing in on this issue. I hope they will voice their opinion. RockMagnetist (talk) 16:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

 * That only clears up the second case, the naming of the first case still leaves an ambiguous title. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 10:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Can someone explain why they think "X bibliography" is in any way better than "List of books by X", apart from being a little bit shorter? To me as a passing reader, I would far rather be told unequivocally what the page contains, as "List of..." does, and not be made to think about it and then make a guess, as "...bibliography" has me do. --Kotniski (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRINCIPALNAMINGCRITERIA, naturalness, conciseness and consistency. Claims of ambiguity are unnecessarily pedantic in my view.--MegaSloth (talk) 22:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's only barely more concise (it's one letter shorter, but one syllable longer if spoken); I don't see why it's more natural; and if we were to follow the same chosen pattern for all similar articles, there wouldn't be any difference in consistency.--Kotniski (talk) 08:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Oppose: why would we change a simple, plain-English title into multigobble Latinate one? Tony   (talk)  13:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: This request has been in RM since Nov 20. Clearly there is no consensus to move, and all the support arguments have been refuted, and the WP:PRECISION arguments in opposition remains unassailable.  I tried to close this as no move, twice, but have been reverted each time, for no reason other than I'm not an admin.  So much for trying to help.  --Born2cycle (talk) 06:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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