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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The New Aggregation

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 23:33, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The New Aggregation
Neologism created by vanity author whose own autobiography, John Blossom, was listed for VfD before I userfied it. RickK 23:34, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity --Neigel von Teighen 23:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Josh Cherry 23:58, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. vanity, (advertising?) - the link is to John Blossom's website, and the term is not widely used, 550 hits on google, many of which are irrelevant. SeventyThree 18:37, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Modifed entry. New to this, but I point out that Shore.com is not a personal Web site, our company is a group of content industry analysts who publish an email newsletter and weblog read by hundreds of content industry executives. Please see our press page for recent quotations in the mainstream press, including articles writeen by myself and other Shore analysts. I will trust the judgment of others on the value of this entry, but given the changing state of content aggregation I believe that it's an important part of an ongoing dialogue on the nature of content. Glad to heed advice on how to improve it. John Blossom 02:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Talk:Root kit

I checked out the root kit detectors available for Windows based systems and none of those listed work on win98 systems. --Randolph 23:34, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I added a section which attempts to compare and contrast root kits vs. viruses and worms. I'm not completely satisfied with the effort so I hope someone will improve upon it. I'm also not sure that chkrootkit and rkhunter warrant their own pages. In any event I think the external links to them should be listed at the bottom of the whole page (per the convention on most other Wikipedia pages).JimD 01:45, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Rootkit vs Root Kit
The only place that I've seen "root kit" is here on Wikipedia, everywhere else it has been written "rootkit". — PhilHibbs | talk

What is going on is a mess. Rootkit is up for a speedy deletion whereas what needs to happen is an admin moves this article to rootkit. At the moment we have what should at the least be a redirect being a mess instead, SqueakBox 16:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

New Sony rootkit ?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27349 http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html

From talk:Rootkit
Radiojon, why do want remove redirect? Trainthh 08:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC) -I am stupid... Please forgive. No-one please do not touch this page! Trainthh 08:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

This page has relevance and should not be deleted as it has transpired that Sony / BMG is using a rootkit to hide its Digital Rights Management software using a rootkit, when a person tries to access one of their music CD's. Admittedly the listener is prompted but this is still a possible help to others that might want to hack PC's. People should be aware of what a rootkit is.

Steve [4th Nov 2005]. The info is not offensive. It is what the internet is about. That is a free information source and should not be effected by the goings on of a huge corporate entity like Sony BMG. If the page goes then its censorship brought about by corporate politics and a shame for Wiki.

Why this page needs to be removed? For a technical reason
There is nothing political here. Let me explain what we try to achieve here. -- Trainthh 14:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Currently in Wikipedia there is a page called Root kit. Have look at it!
 * 2) However, more commonly used term is Rootkit (without space). The objective is to move page "Root kit" with all its on contents to replace this current page (that used to be a redirection)
 * 3) The above is possible only as soon as this page is removed by administrators.

Which Definition Should Rule?
I agree with the desire to consolidate it into one definition but should that definition be under "root kit" or "rootkit?" I feel like "rootkit" is the more proper form.

Agreed. This is not anyway a candidate for speedy deletion, which I for one oppose. Either this article should redirect to Root kit or Root kit should redirect here. As I cam here looking for the article I strongly support moving Root kit here, SqueakBox 16:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

 * That is what I am trying to do! An admin has to do this however, since someone changed the original redirect.  Once this is done, root kit will point to rootkit instead of the other way around.   –radiojon 16:22, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Until that moment this must be the talk page for Rootkit and there should just be a redirect to Root kit. This is a mess on a live encyclopedias, and we must be thinking of our readers now who (like me) will be looking for rootkit. Just let the admin do it and don't prepare for the future but focus on the present, SqueakBox 16:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Rootkit and root kit are synonymous, however rootkit is the more common usage among those with domain knowledge.

Yes, it seems the consensus is very clear to move the article. On the other hand a speedy delete won't achiebve that, and really shoul;dn't be on the article as there proper procedures to go through in a case like this and using ther speedy is not one of them, SqueakBox 18:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, but I don't much like the idea of validating radiojon's histrionics. --Golbez 18:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Indeed not, SqueakBox 18:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Back to the Future (franchise)

"Time Travel Theory" section removed
The "Time Travel Theory" section has been removed, as it is entirely speculative and original research. There are no references to support the conclusions in the text. --Ckatz chat spy  04:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

 * it is a pity that the timeline image has been removed because of the conjecture it encourages. The diagram is sorely missed when reading the article. For this reason I include it in the discussion --Jono4174 (talk) 07:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * I think that this diagram is only a summary of the film, not a original research. --Jllopezpino (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Film Trilogy timeline image
For some reason (User:SineBot) this little suggestion was removed.

Image must be redone because some timelines are wrong:

 * Timeline 4 and 5 must be merged into one.
 * Marty's jump from timeline 7 to 8, must be 6 to 7.
 * Timeline 8 must disappear.
 * Timeline 0 and 1 must be merged.

final result: 6 timelines

I could do it myself but I don't know how to upload images...--201.247.28.7 (talk) 03:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't removed, it was archived (see "Archive: 1" on top of the article"). I think the timeline is right as it is now.  See an old article that describes the timeline in detail.

Plot sections are ridiculous
Something has got to be done about the plot of every BTTF movie. To me, a plot is what you read behind the box of a DVD and nothing more. It resumes the idea of the story in a couple of paragraphs. What we currently have is the entire stories, from the very beginning to the very end, with every little detail, and it's getting worse almost everyday. Soon, a plot will become as detailed as a script of the movie and we don't want to go there. What I suggest: Completely (I mean, completely) replace the plot sections with the text behind the box of the related movie. Opinions? -- Lyverbe (talk) 21:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Any objections in doing what I propose? I'll wait until next monday.  -- Lyverbe (talk) 11:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Plot summaries need to be concise, but a DVD cover-lenght summary is too short. There needs to be enough to allow the causal reader to understand the rest of the article (and in this case, the sequels) without previous knowledge, so there is a need to cover some details.  I agree all three of them are too long and need trimming. --M ASEM  (t) 02:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't make the plot section that short. Try retain the salient points of the story. On the other hand, I prefer pruning irrelevant sections of the plots' current forms. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought everyone subscribed to BTTF articles were subscribed to this one too, but apparently not. I was wondering why I wasn't getting any opinions.  So, ok, I won't change them to the text behind the DVD boxes, but they need serious cleaning.  I mean, badly.  For example, one of the last change on the plot of BTTF II is from "causes Doc to faint" to "causes Doc to say "Great Scott!" and faint".  You have got to be kidding me.  This is the kind of totally useless detail that needs to be removed. -- Lyverbe (talk) 11:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Great job Masem on the trimming. I don't think I could have done it better myself! Thanks for your hard work. -- Lyverbe (talk) 22:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Theme
OK, I guess Ill start the discussion. Since the themes that are related in the removed section are evident throughout the story, there is very good reason to keep the themes in the article. The argument that it is unreferenced is invalid, since the film IS the reference in itself.--Jojhutton (talk) 03:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Only, the dude who keeps deleting those things doesn't seem to read this section nor does he read the things people write when they put it back in. It's correct, the film IS the reference!!! --Maxl (talk) 11:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

 * You do not have the power or the authority to overrule a consensus that was agreed by about 20 people. Whether you think there's  a very good reason or not to recover a deleted article/section/topic/subject/etc is completely irrelevant.  As for saying "The dude who keeps deleting...", note that the consensus to delete was made by 14 "dudes" against 2 -- Lyverbe (talk) 12:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What Consensus??? I saw no consensus for this article--Jojhutton (talk) 12:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See here. I mentioned this link in the comment of my 'undo'. -- Lyverbe (talk) 17:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless you establish a solid consensus here (and significantly rework the material), there are no grounds for restoring it. --Ckatz chat spy  18:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * To Lyverbe. The link that you provided is for an article with that name. It has nothing to do with this article at all. Please stop insulting my intellegence by continuing to referance it.
 * To Ckatz. What grounds are there to remove it?
 * To everyone else. Why is it that you continue to remove information just because you don't like it? How is it that you can decide what information someone who sees this article will be interested in or not? Its just plain wrong to do that.--Jojhutton (talk)
 * The consensus in the deletion debate clearly spoke to the nature of the content, not simply to the notion of a stand-alone article. If you review the comments, it is crystal-clear that the contributors did not consider the information to be encyclopaedic in nature. That is why it is relevant to keep referring to the deletion discussion, and also why editors are certainly warranted in removing the non-conforming material. --Ckatz chat spy   00:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not encyclopedic for its own article perhaps, but if you review the comments, you may notice a few that says it should go in this article. Stop using that as a reason, and come up with a good one for deciding for other people.--Jojhutton (talk) 01:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Look, not every piece of trivia qualifies as encyclopaedic text, and Wikipedia's goal is to be an encyclopaedia and not merely a collection of said trivia. That mandate requires us to be selective in what we add to articles. You may well find the editor-generated comparisons interesting, but the reality is that they don't fit the consensus-defined standards set out for this project. I might suggest that you would find more success if you were to work on creating text that does meet Wikipedia's encyclopaedia standards, rather than just persisting with this attempt to add material that has clearly been rejected. --Ckatz chat spy  01:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, I don't see a clear reject of this. What I do see are a few editors who feel that they need to decide for hundreds of people a day, what is relevant and what is not. Its not trivia, its basic plot and story substance that you are trying to remove. I'm surprsied that we are even having this discussion. Plot is rarely referenced on wikipedia, nor is it encyclopedic by your measure.--Jojhutton (talk) 01:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I can easily tell you "Why is it that you continue to add information just because you like it?" Wikipedia is a team effort.  When we don't agree on something, we use the related talk page to come up with an agreement (BTW, congrats for doing so) instead of playing the revert war game.  In this case, the agreement was to remove the themes.  What you're attempting to do is to ignore that consensus which is an offense to an administrative decision. -- Lyverbe (talk) 02:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The deletion debate decided to delete the article and the content along with it, and the comments were mostly related to the suitability of the content, not so much to the placement of the content.  There was no decision to merge.  It was suggested but it did not gain consensus and so the article and everything in it was deleted.  I am also surprised that this discussion is taking place.  There are plot sections for each of the three films and it's a stretch to say this section is plot related.   It's a random assortment of common ideas and recurring gags, most of which are not themes at all, and which are presented in a completely incoherent fashion that does not further any understanding of the plot.   Even it was all plot, it would be way too long and film articles with shorter plots than this are tagged as "too long".   Each piece of information looked at individually is of minor importance and it doesn't gain importance by piling snippet upon snippet.  I see the overall collection as a mass of WP:TRIVIA/WP:CRUFT by Wikipedia's own definitions of the terms, and the information overwhelms the article.   Whether or not it's sourced is irrelevant.   It may be 100% accurate, but even so, it looks very much like someone sat down and watched the three films and then noted every single cross point in the films, regardless of their relevance to the plot.  No effort has been made to seperate the major themes from the minor themes or even to seperate the themes from the running gags and possible coincidences.   It's a list that places equal weight on every point.  A "recurring themes" section would probably be useful, especially if it can narrowed down to the main themes intentionally highlighted by the film makers, but this is not it.  Rossrs (talk) 13:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with excluding the content. It is certainly not thematic; thematic would be something like American Beauty (film).  This appears to be trivia that cannot be integrated in any encyclopedic form.  I don't mind a "Themes" section for this article or the articles about individual films, but this is not a thematic approach at all. Erik (talk) 16:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, it would seem that the winds are blowing against adding it, and I can respect that. I am a bit skeptical of User:Rossrs motives here, since he has never edited here before, opposed me on other issues, and may have only come here to oppose me on this issue. The information is clean and helpful to anyone who clicks on this article. I thought it was very interesting. In the big wiki picture, this information isn't the most useless stuff on wikipedia. What are we, paying by the kilobyte here? I just don't understand why its not better to give people this information, since these themes are relevant to the story as a whole. There was even a Back to the Future special, that discussed these very themes. I guess that wikipedia isn't as good for information as some might want. Especially when this web site is suppose to for everyone to edit, yet, there are some who want to suppress other's information, based on the simple fact that they don't like it. Very Very Sad day for wikipedia.--Jojhutton (talk) 17:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

 * You need to assume good faith and restrict your comments to the subject rather than trying to guess my motives. You have no idea which articles I have on my watch list, and I am free to comment wherever I choose. If I'd come here and agreed with you, would you dismiss my opinion on the basis that I have "never edited here before"?    Rossrs (talk) 20:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:Stalk. Whatever your possible motives may be, perception is everything unfortunatly.--Jojhutton (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't care what your perception is, but you have chosen to throw accusations at me, rather than challenge any of the points I made.   If you want to make an accusation, make it official, otherwise keep it to yourself.     Please keep to the subject.   Rossrs (talk) 08:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's return focus on the content, if there is anything more to address about the films' themes. If anyone is interested, I can list some thematic coverage of the film so the notion of "Themes" sticks around, but with academic content. Erik (talk) 20:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A reworking of the content would be acceptable. I was thinking of working it into the base of each plot section--Jojhutton (talk) 20:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Read the section right above this one.  Last october, Masem did a great job of cleaning up the plot section of each movie and we've been working hard to keep them as short as possible.  Spreading deleted material into the existing articles would make that work almost obselete. -- Lyverbe (talk) 22:57, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey thats great, but this is today, not last October. Time to move on my friend.--Jojhutton (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Time to move on? that work was done 3 months ago. You sound as if it was made 3 years ago!
 * The plot sections are suitably brief, but I think (to repeat my earlier comment) there is some value in at least looking at the idea of allowing some discussion of common themes.  Each film has its own article, so I think the main purpose of this article is to link the three as one entity, and the repetition and/or evolution of themes, could be an important point.  Otherwise I don't think this article has a very clear purpose other than to act as a summary of each of the individual film articles.  Lyverbe, I agree the plot sections don't need to be expanded to introduce discussion of themes because themes are distinct from plot points, but a section that discusses common themes with (to quote User:Erik) "academic content" could be valuable.  It would need to be more than the original research and trivia of the previous list, but the intentions of the film makers could be conveyed.  Something like Star Wars (but without the spin-off article), Harry Potter (it's about the books rather than the films,  but the intention is the same), and The Lord of the Rings (again it's the books rather than the films, and again the spin-off article isn't needed).   On the other hand, the Harry Potter (film series) and The Lord of the Rings film trilogy articles do not have theme sections - perhaps it's because the themes are discussed against the original source material - the books - something that is not possible for the Back to the Future films.   If there is support to at least look at this possibility, we would need to be clear in looking at themes rather than running gags as there is a world of difference between the two, and the previous list was slanted towards the gags.  Rossrs (talk) 08:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if you're talking about the plot sections of THIS article, it's better. I'm still against the idea, but it ain't that bad.  I thought it was about the plot sections of the each movie's article.  I mean, to repeat in each individual article's plot sections that Biff/Griff/Buford says "Hey McFly, I thought I told you to never come here" is completely pointless to a story plot.  I consider the themes to be nothing but junk, but hey, lets see what other people think about it. -- Lyverbe (talk) 12:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the thing - a lot of the points that were listed under "themes" are not themes at all, nor are they key elements to the plot. They're running gags. "Hey McFly ....." does not fit under themes.    A discussion of themes should take a broader approach that highlights the main points and avoids wallowing in trivia and cruft.   But yes, let's see. Other editors have indicated that they have ideas about what could be covered, so I think it would be useful to start looking at suggestions about how to approach this.  Rossrs (talk) 13:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC).
 * Also .... this is an example of a film featured article with a "themes" section that we could perhaps draw from - E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. Rossrs (talk) 13:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

This lists some sources. Beyond that page, here are some more: I think I can access most of these. Please let me know if you want to collaborate. Erik (talk) 16:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WITTENBERG, David: Oedipus Multiplex, or, The Subject as a Time Travel Film: Two Readings of Back to the Future. Discourse (0730-1081) v.28 n.2/3, April 2006, p.51-77.
 * RUUD, Jay: Back to the Future as Quintessential Comedy, Literature/Film Quarterly (0090-4260) v.19 n.2, April 1991, p.127-133. Argues that BACK TO THE FUTURE can be viewed as a typical comedy. In an issue devoted to comedy.
 * GORDON, Andrew: Bedford falls! The inescapable family in American science fiction and fantasy films. Journal of Popular Film & Television (0195-6051) v.20 n.2, July 1992, p.2-8. Discusses pro-family messages in US science-fiction/fantasy films THE WIZARD OF OZ, IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE, the STAR WARS trilogy and the BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy.
 * ERISMAN, Fred: The Night Christopher Lloyd Danced with Mary Steenbergen. Journal of Popular Film & Television (0195-6051) v.20 n.1, April 1992, p.29-33. BACK TO THE FUTURE III, which echos MY DARLING CLEMENTINE, offers a modified version of the myth of the West, adapted to the technological frontier of the late twentieth century.

 * I'll help, if I can. Although I don't have access to these.  Rossrs (talk) 20:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I think Back to the future is a very complicated movie about existence and pressure. I especially like 2015, hoverboards are cool! Eboynine (talk) 04:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

"DVD Release" grid - Update!!
Am I the only one who feels the "DVD Releases" grid needs an overhaul? Does anyone at all care about the 2002-2005 standard DVD release specific features anymore ("enhanced" MJ interview)? When the blu-rays come out, even fewer people will. And by whom is a 2010 release date expected by? Sure, we big fans are expecting it, but is the average reader (keep Wiki "encyclopedic"/generic in POV)? I was looking at the DVD release grid, and it just seems to "read" in an antiquated style. Yes, we all know the early widescreens were messed up, but isn't this old news now? It should be relegated to a paragraph or two only.MJEH (talk) 05:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move - Trilogy

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request (but with trilogy in lowercase).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Back to the Future (film series) → Back to the Future Trilogy — Suggesting the page be renamed Back to the Future Trilogy. It seems that this was infact the original name for this page however it appears to have been silently renamed film series as opposed to trilogy. The only record of a potential rename to (film series) in this talk page was back in 2006 and was declined. Also of note, the use of trilogy is supported in the films naming convention —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.177.117 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How did the article end up at Back to the Future (film series) anyway. The last name discussion confirmed the article title as Back to the Future trilogy. Support return to previous standard.--Labattblueboy (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Speedy rename to Back to the Future trilogy as the last move was out of process and against a previous consensus discussion. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 04:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support moving back to Back to the Future trilogy. I'm sure a move was done in good faith, but it's clearly not uncontroversial as evidenced by this and the previous move discussion. PC78 (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per others. It's clearly identified as a trilogy, unlike some series of films. Erik (talk | contribs) 13:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. The move from "Trilogy" to "(Film series)" was done on 21 december 2008 with the comment "Conform to Wikipedia standards".  When looking at the revision of WP:NCF dating 18 november 2008, it states "For articles on a series of films, the title of the article should be "Series name (film series).".  2 days later, the following was added: "When trilogies are often referred to as such by outside sources, their articles may be titled "Series name Trilogy"".  Perhaps the editor simply didn't see this new rule and changed the article's title.  Simply put, changing back to "Trilogy" follows the standard and is more common -- Lyverbe (talk) 16:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NCF mentions "trilogy" in lowercase. Google Books Search shows only results of "Back to the Future trilogy", not "Back to the Future Trilogy". Would that lowercase rendering be okay? Erik (talk | contribs) 16:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Lowercase 't' per WP:CAPS -- Lyverbe (talk) 22:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Support as Back to the Future trilogy (lowercase 't'). DKqwerty (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the lead should also be changed to "The Back to the Future trilogy is a science-fiction comedy film series… ." This would bring the genres inline with the movie articles and correct the title. DKqwerty (talk) 17:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Support to Back to the Future trilogy.  Mike   Allen   19:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: If this article is moved so the title ends with "trilogy", I ask for the following to be added to the top of the article per MOS:FILM: . Thanks, Erik (talk | contribs) 16:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Canon
The "canon" section is confusing and not up to the standards of the rest of the article.

Here is the section:

"The series has spawned comics and an animated series which although take place between or after the films, are all in their own 'what if' and alternate timelines as stated by writer, Bob Gale. However, only the episodic game by Telltale is part of the main continuity which takes place six months after the events of Part III.[1]" Wanderer57 (talk) 04:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I second that -- Lyverbe (talk) 12:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Contradiction
"Back to the Future: The Game will be released by Telltale Games for the PS3, Mac, iPad, and PC, with Christopher Lloyd reprising his role as Doc Brown. AJ Locascio will provide the voice for Marty McFly.[17] Bob Gale will be assisting with the script. The release date is December 22, 2010.[18] Jurassic Park and Back to the Future are the two movies that Telltale Games will revive as games.[19] In a behind the scenes interview with the crew working on the game it was stated that the first part to the game is set to be 6 months after the story of Back to the Future Part III.[20]"

I request this be changed as it hasn't been released yet and its past the date shown here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinophile21992 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Considering "The Game" in articles
I've asked in Talk:List_of_characters_in_the_Back_to_the_Future_films, but I haven't got any reply. Perhaps I'll get more chance here.

I wonder if the articles (not only this article but also dedicated articles to BTTF characters) should really use BTTF:The Game as valid information. I think the articles should reflect what happen in the movie and not anywhere else. For example, Marty's article states that he has visited 1931 which is not true for anyone who hasn't played the game. I haven't seen any episodes of the animated series, but the list of episodes says they've been 3,000,000 years back, in 1790, in 1800s, etc. If we have to mention The game years, I don't see why we shouldn't add those of the 'animated series'. Do we want to go there? of course not. -- Lyverbe (talk) 02:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia page for the animated series says "Although the series takes place after the films, co-creator of the Back to the Future series Bob Gale has stated that it and the comics take place in their own 'what if' and alternate timelines and not part of the main continuity." so it's not canon. The The Game page also says "Gale stated that although the game is not part of the series canon,[23][25][26] it is possible that it could take place in alternate timelines." so no, I would agree that they should not be used as valid information and also should not be included in the timeline. Sander (talk) 16:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I've found an existant article about BTTF IV
One hour ago I found an article, edited in last december by an user no more active, named Back to the Future Part IV. Instead of listing it in the Back to the Future template, I preferred to ask here, to avoid mistakes and request an opinion:

 * The article, that should be wikified and referenced, speaks about the unreleased film, but some parts of it are unclear. The Category:Unreleased films exists, and i've added this category. Is it correct? Could it be considered (technically) unreleased or cancelled?
 * I've categorized it in BTTF main category, cause i don't know if the categorization into "BTTF films" is technically correct. Regarding the template, as said, I avoided to do any action. If "Films" section is not correct, I've (IMHO) supposed that "Universe" could be correct.

Anyway, other edits into this article (including infobox and "language" category) have been made by the original author. Sorry if the categorization and TL addition are erroneous; you could remove. Thanks for attention and regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 01:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Per WP:OR and WP:VERIFY, Wikipedia works with facts. Here, the first section of this article is "Rumors".  Not only the article shouldn't be mentionned in the BTTF templates but it shouldn't even exist at all. -- Lyverbe (talk) 02:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The article was once deleted (see Articles_for_deletion/Back_to_the_Future_Part_IV). Recreating a deleted article is a naughty thing to do :)  I've tagged the article for speedy deletion. -- Lyverbe (talk) 11:43, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

 * The original edit was a redirect, now restored and protected. Thanks for the immediate help to my opinion request. I can consider the issue resolved... PS: I only recommend to control: in an Alternate 2012 the article may exists. :-D Regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 23:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

White space
Does anyone have any idea why there is white space at the top of the article? ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 00:48, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * While fixing a ref, I also tweaked the arrangement of the templates at the top to eliminate some of the white space; but this is just a work-around. I'll try to track down which template specifically contains the issue so a more permanent fix; but I haven't edited templates in a while, so can't guarantee I'll be able to find the actual root cause. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you fixed the problem here, which is a start. It never occurred to me to simply rearrange the templates. ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive  13:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

New cast section
New table looks nice, but I believe there are too many members included. Einstein, Marlene, Beauregard, etc. I'd remove those. -- Lyverbe (talk) 23:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Children's film series
New category "Children's film series" has been added. I don't believe I'd categorize BTTF as a film made for children and I went to check the current list of movies in that category. Apart from Ghostbusters which is somewhat in the same range as BTTF, the other movies are clearly for a younger age range than BTTF. Still, I'm not sure. Anyone else agree? -- Lyverbe (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Red links
I admit hating red links too. WP:REDDEAL states "An existing red link can indicate one or more of the following things: A new article is needed". Is it needed? and, seriously, will there ever be an article for Owen Thomas? I doubt it. -- Lyverbe (talk) 22:04, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think there ever will be Lyverbe and you should tell JustAGal that. --Eaglestorm (talk) 05:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean this Owen Thomas? An actively working voice actor with 50 acting credits to his name? I am not so doubtful that this subject could merit an article at some point. bd2412  T 20:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * So how long should a red link stay? If nobody cares to make an article about something/someone, does that mean that the red link should stay there forever?  To me, a red link doesn't look like "Hey! look here! an article should be created about this!", it looks like an error in the article.  Errors are ugly. -- Lyverbe (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If there's no active article, why link it? Strip the redlinks. --Eaglestorm (talk) 05:55, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Cast list poll
A new "Cast List" section has recently been added to the individual Back to the Future articles. Some editors have seen this new section has been helpful, some have seen it as being useless and some are indifferent.

For the good health of the articles, please express your opinion about this section by using the following list as examples.
 * Keep - Complete: Every actor deserves to be treated equally. For that reason, all should be listed as in IDMB.
 * Keep - Medium: Only those who had any impact to the story should be listed. In short, if the actor spoke, he/she deserves a spot in the cast list.
 * Keep - Short: No need to keep a huge list in the article. Only major roles (i.e. written on movie posters) are to be mentioned whereas bit parts and cameos should not be listed.
 * Delete: The list is useless since we already have important cast members mentioned in the franchise article.
 * Delete - Complete: Delete all of them, including the one in the franchise article.

The majority of votes will decide the faith of the sections in all "Back to the Future" articles. This poll will end on 27 October 2013. -- Lyverbe (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Please insert your vote here:
 * Delete: The list is useless since we already have important cast members mentioned in the franchise article. -- Lyverbe (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Short: Ideally the film articles "Cast" sections would be prose and discuss the casting and other information pertinent to it for which reliable sources are available. Failing that I think it's reasonable and comparable to other film articles to include listings of the principals for each film. DonIago (talk) 04:11, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Poll closed. We'll go with "Keep - Short". -- Lyverbe (talk) 23:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Traveled dates
"November 12, 1955 (twice; once by 2015 Biff ..." - Really? If I remember correctly, we just see Biff stealing the DeLorean.  How are we so sure that he traveled to this date? - Lyverbe (talk) 11:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * We do see Old Biff pass Young Biff the almanac, but I don't remember the sequence well enough to say for certain whether we know when he arrived/left. DonIago (talk) 13:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I just checked. Biff gives the date when Marty confronts him at the hotel (45 seconds from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9c1k_m6POA) - Lyverbe (talk) 12:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Ugh. These sections are becoming more like trivia sections that are hard to verify. I would remove them all. Objections? comments? -- Lyverbe (talk) 21:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't have any objection. I didn't see this section before making the revision to the previous edits. --Musdan77 (talk) 02:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

New Template: User Back to the Future
To my fellow "Back to the Future" fans here on Wikipedia, I would just like to make you all aware of the following user template which I have recently created: Template:User Back to the Future. I hereby would like to dedicate it to the greatest fans of the greatest film ever made. You are all welcomed to use it on your user pages. From me to you with love. :-) --Omer Toledano (talk) 11:34, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There is documentary coming. Not sure where to include it. TGCP (talk) 20:01, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

October 21, 2015
A section should be added about Back to the Future's impact on 2015, especially October 21, 2015 (the date Marty and Doc travel to in BTTF2). It has become a date of some significance, earning the name Back to the Future Day and the hashtag #BTTF2015 (on both Facebook and Twitter). Pepsi is realeasing a Pepsi Perfect limited-edition bottle (It has Pepsi Made With Real Sugar in it, though.), and Universal has released a Jaws 19 trailer. Nike is still working on the self-tying shoes for limited release. It is also the franchise's (and the original film's) 30th Anniversary, so it is getting a Blu-ray release with many new special features, as well as a Blu-ray release of Back to the Future: The Original Animated Series. Again, BTTF2 has made 2015 a year of some significance. --Super3588 (talk) 20:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * So add one? DonIago (talk) 13:39, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Doc Brown Saves the World
No indication of unique notability to warrant its own article. This is apparently a short film not a proper feature. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:02, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No objections from me but I suggest that the entire article be written in a single paragraph. I believe it's already small enough for that. -- Lyverbe (talk) 15:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I delightfully agree to that suggestion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:28, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree with merge proposal by above reasons. -rayukk | talk 11:34, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I also Agree with merge proposal by above reasons. -User:Alex79uk | talk 13:57, 29 February 2016 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.165.149 (talk)

You suggested this merger more than a year ago, Cyphoidbomb, and there are no objections. Are you actually going to perform it? Let's get that merge template off the front page, ok? ---  The Old Jacobite  The '45  21:55, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want to take the reigns on this, please feel free. I have my hands full at present. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:59, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I hate performing mergers. I just wanted to remind you.  I've seen merger tags sit for years and never get done.  Sorry if I took a tone. ---  The Old Jacobite   The '45  22:02, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I dislike them as well, but I actually think I can get this one nailed out in a few minutes. No biggie. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:04, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I got it all done. The plot section still needs trimming, but most of the useful content is there. Source and destination talk pages have been flagged with merged-from and merged-to, source page redirected... I think that's all. Thanks for the reminder. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:15, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That was quick. ---  The Old Jacobite   The '45  22:34, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Other actors?
This and other lists of actors states that Michael Andrew Fox played Marty Sr., Marty Jr. and Seamus McFly. Michael did really play Marty Sr. throughout the film trilogy. However, Marty Jr. seems to have been played by another actor in most of the scenes. I can tell this because he has a different voice and the exact distances between the features of his face does not match. The same person may well have played Seamus McFly, at least in the scenes were both Marty (Sr.) and Seamus occur. The voce appears to be the same yet the dialect is not. According to TV tropes Seamus’ and Maggie McFly’s dialect does not exist in the real world. But it does vaguely sound like someone from somewhere on the British Islands could speak.

Similarly, Thomas Francis Wilson Jr. is stated to have played Biff, Griff and Buford Tannen. However, there is a couple of scenes where a teenage Biff is seen together with an old, time traveling Biff. Due to the limitations of special effects in 1989 these two must have been played by different actors. I dare to say the old version of Biff was really played by Thomas. The teenage Biff might have been played by the same actor as Griff, if an additional actor for him had been needed. I am not sure if grandfather and grandson is ever seen together. But someone on TV tropes has states that Griff is noticeably taller.

The same film contains a scene were the teenage, time traveling Jennifer Parker meets her future self. The teenage Jennifer attempts to get out of her future home right when the middle-aged Jennifer comes home. When seeing each other at the doorway both faint at the shock. The time traveling version of Jennifer then falls out of the doorway. Since I did not notice anything different from the rest of the film when she is seen walking to the front door I think the teenage Jennifer was really played by Elisabeth Judson Shue.

Finally, there is a scene where a time traveling version of Emmett “Doc” Brown meets a younger version of himself. This younger version of never sees the other version’s face and does not realise that they have the same voce. Consequentially, only the old version of Doc knows that he is actually meeting himself. In this case I can tell that the exact distances between the features of his face does match between the two versions. However, a lamp post is always seen between the two versions. Even when the time traveling Doc hands his younger self a wrench his arm seen is behind the lamp post. This lamp post could have obscured the edge of a silver screen showing Christopher Allen Lloyd being handled the wrench by a different person. Of cause, it would have been the same prop wrench as Christopher was shot handing over to someone else.

Does anyone know which other actors would have played Marty Jr., Seamus McFly, Jennifer McFly, Biff and possibly Griff Tannen? They might have been listed as stunt doubles. :-)

2015-12-31 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.144.9 (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

 * The actors all played their related other parts (ie. Fox really did play Marty Jr., Seamus and Jennifer McFly. Wilson did play Biff, Griff and Buford.  Lloyd did play is younger part.  etc.)  As for the doubles, I don't believe it's important since they are never mentioned in Wikipedia cast lists anyway. -- Lyverbe (talk) 14:27, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

 * You seem to mixed up Jennifer with her daughter Marlene. “Jennifer McFly” refers to Jennifer Parker after she has married Marty McFly.  This couple have fraternal twins named Marty Jr. and Marlene.  They say that Marlene was played by Michael Andrew Fox.  I think she is only seen from behind when seen together with her twin brother and father.

 * I don’t doubt that Christopher Allen Lloyd played both the older and younger version of Emmett “Doc” Brown. The scene where Doc meets himself can be explained as two separate shoots of the same actor: one where he is handed a wrench by someone else and one were the same wrench gets out of view.  The splice between these two shoots could be obscured by the lamp post.

 * This explanation does not work for the scenes with two versions of Biff Tannen. The old, time traveling Biff gives his teenage self a box on the ear and later handles him a book without anything in front of them.  Neither does it work for the scenes were Marty Sr. is seen together with Marty Jr. or Seamus.  In one scene in the second film the time traveling Marty take his son’s cap and put it on himself.  Similarly, there is a scene in the third film where Seamus hands Marty a plate of meat.  The technology to paste a person’s head from one shoot onto a different shoot did not exist in 1989 – 90 when these two were made.  This result in it being evident to me that two different people were used.  I just wonder which the actors other than Michael Andrew Fox and Thomas Francis Wilson Jr. were. 2016-01-01 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.144.9 (talk • contribs)
 * The movie was created using a camera system known back then as "Vista glide" which allowed actors to mix themselves in existing scenes. That way, Thomas Wilson was able to play old Biff (first time filmed to the right side of the car) and young Biff (second time filmed to the left side of the car).  It's all explained in the DVD bonus features of the movie commentaries.  There are no "other actors". -- Lyverbe (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Split screen filming had been around for decades even then and there were quite a number of movies and television shows in which actors played multiple roles and appeared more than once in the same scene. The technology was increasingly daring to have them physically interact with themselves. Doubles were (and still are) sometimes used for long shots, rear views and limbs but it was still the same actor providing the bulk of both characters. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:34, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Universal Studios Closed?
This article suggests that the Universal Studios theme park in Florida is closed. That article does not indicate any such thing.--Mfwills (talk) 09:45, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you are asking this here instead of the Universal Studios theme park article, but anyway, WP:NOTAFORUM. -- Lyverbe (talk) 11:54, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Typos/grammar
The correct spelling of the past tense of the verb to lead is "led". This article confuses the two.😃 Crickettopo Crickettopo (talk) 12:18, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT? Not seeing why this needs a Talk page item... DonIago (talk) 15:06, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Full names for Doc and Marty
A few days ago, the full names for Marty (Marty "Martin" Seamus McFly) and Doc (Dr. Emmett "Lathorope" Brown) were removed the cast and character table. Using the full/real names of fictional characters is useful can help provide more information about them for articles. I want to re-add there full names to the tables. If I don't get any response in 10 days, I will re-add it myself. If anyone has any objections, please leave your thoughts. Zucat (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * As the table is just providing a data summary and the characters have their own articles which provide their full names, and their full names aren't particularly relevant to an understanding of the films (i.e. trivia), I can't support adding their full names to the table at this time. DonIago (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with Doniago. -- Lyverbe (talk) 20:59, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Principal cast table
My changes to the cast table consisted mainly of format, using common characteristics I've seen in other cast tables and found useful here. Mostly using the Cast indicator template instead of just writing clarifications in parentheses, which clutters the table. Plus, given the section is called "Principal cast", I removed many clearly minor characters. To which of these changes do you particularly object? —El Millo (talk) 02:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The addition of the cast indicator also avoids the pictures compressing the table. —El Millo (talk) 02:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

A lot of the characters you got rid of were supporting characters, they were not at all minor. Marty McFly Jr. and Marlene are arguably LESS minor then other characters like say, Needles, Mr. Strickland, and Mad Dog Tannen.

If you want to add the indicator back, feel free to do so, but do not remove any supporting characters. If you think the Table is too big, condense the video game into one section. Zucat (talk) 18:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If all those characters are going to stay then the title of the section should be changed. —El Millo (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Which of the ones I removed do you think should be added back and which were correctly removed? —El Millo (talk) 19:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Idealistically, outside of maybe Goldie Wilson, all of them should stay. The ones in particular that need to stay are ones that have been in more than one incarnation. If the supporting characters are a little too distracting, make a section within the Table for them. Or if you don't want to do any of this, make the video game listing smaller as I previously said. Zucat (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That can't possibly be true. Characters like 3-D, Match, Skinhead, and Marvin Berry aren't even close to being "Principal cast". Plus, this is a summary of the cast for the franchise, if someone wants to see more comprehensive cast information, they can head to each individual article, we shouldn't have a table for principal cast and a table for supporting cast. Copernicus and Einstein obviously shouldn't be included either. I don't know many of the other characters, so I have no choice but to take your word that they are relevant enough to be included here, but of the ones I do know, many don't fit here. —El Millo (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Marty's brother and sister Dave and Linda clearly aren't principal cast either. Marty's daughter Marlene appears in just one scene in Part II, so clearly not principal cast. —El Millo (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

See my sandbox, where I re-added many of the previously-removed characterse. The ones I didn't include are: Einstein, Copernicus, Dave McFly, Linda McFly, Goldie Wilson, 3-D, Match, Skinhead, Marvin Berry, Marlene McFly, Needles, James Strickland, and Biff Jr. I have doubts about including Needles and James Strickland, since they are somewhat relevant characters in the films, the rest are clearly not very relevant for this table. I don't know the character Biff Jr., but I searched the appearances and it seems he's only a recurring character in season 2 of the animated series, and doesn't appear anywhere else, hence the removal.

It should be kept in mind this isn't Fandom, and it isn't a Wiki focused on Back to the Future. We're thinking about what would be relevant for the general reader, thus minor details should be excluded. It should also be kept in mind this is a summary, and more exhaustive cast lists exist for each individual property at their respective articles. —El Millo (talk) 21:08, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * should I move ahead with it? See the table at my sandbox. —El Millo (talk) 17:29, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'll take care of the table. I think I can work something out that we can both be satisfied with. Zucat (talk) 20:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've already made the table. The format is what's most important for me. I'm just asking about the characters removed, if you have clear reasons to re-include some of those characters. —El Millo (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

I have no major characters to bring back. Since you insist that some characters be removed from the table, I've decided to remove all the non-recurring characters so that way the format can be brought down a bit. Feel free to add the indicator back when you get a chance. Zucat (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * All done. Changed the format as I had, with all the characters you re-added kept, except for the two dogs. —El Millo (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey what's wrong now? You had no objections to the formatting whatsoever. Your only qualm with this was the removal of the characters, which was then discussed and a middle ground was found. Your manual revert was against the agreements reached in this discussion. —El Millo (talk) 02:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * what a good way to be civil, just changing stuff randomly instead of doing what was agreed upon. You added things that look even worse now and put the cast indicator in the wrong place. —El Millo (talk) 02:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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Add picture, made some spelling corrections and moved the page. --Kross 23:38, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
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KVOS-TV

KVOS-TV (channel 12) is a television station in Bellingham, Washington, United States, serving the Seattle–Tacoma market as an affiliate of the Spanish-language network Univision. It is owned by Weigel Broadcasting alongside Seattle-licensed MeTV owned-and-operated station KFFV, channel 44 (which KVOS simulcasts on its third digital subchannel). While KVOS-TV is nominally part of the Seattle market, it can be characterized as a border blaster, as it primarily serves an audience in southwestern British Columbia, Canada, including Vancouver and Victoria. Its other subchannels carry Weigel's other diginet concepts.

KVOS-TV's transmitter is situated atop Mount Constitution on Orcas Island in the San Juan Islands, at an altitude of 2621 ft above the adjacent terrain. The station's signal is very well received throughout the British Columbia Lower Mainland, southern Vancouver Island, and much of northwest Washington. KVOS-TV original studios were located on Ellis Street in Bellingham. However, with the sale of KVOS-TV to OTA Broadcasting in 2010, the Bellingham facility was closed and the station currently shares studios with KFFV on Third Avenue South in Seattle. KVOS-TV previously maintained offices in Burnaby, British Columbia; before that, its Vancouver offices were located on West 7th Avenue; it now has no physical presence in the Vancouver area.

As KVOS serves both sides of the border, at one time the station decided to use both Canadian and American TV ratings at the start of each program, after they were established during the late 1990s— it was the only station on either side of the border to do so. Since early 2007, only U.S. ratings have been shown.

Early years
KVOS signed on June 3, 1953; owned by Bellingham businessman Rogan Jones along with KVOS radio (AM 790, now KGMI). Jones had owned the radio station since 1928, and was best known for being the focus of a case that established broadcasters' right to the same news reports as newspapers. Its first broadcast was a kinescope of Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, which took place the previous day. Since Canada had no television stations operating west of Ontario at that point (it was not until that December that Vancouver would get a locally-operated TV station of their own in CBC outlet CBUT), the British government flew film of the BBC's coverage to Vancouver, where the Mounties escorted it to the border. The Washington State Patrol then drove the film to Bellingham. The station's original slogan was "Your Peace Arch Station, serving Northwest Washington and British Columbia."

KVOS initially experienced financial trouble, despite Jones thinking that he could successfully support a television station in a city the size of Bellingham. He built a powerful transmitter on Orcas Island in hopes of reaching Seattle, but even with increased power, it did not cover enough of the Seattle area to solve the problem. For a time, the revenues from his radio station were all that kept channel 12 afloat. In 1955, Jones, realizing that most of his audience was across the border, incorporated KVOS in Canada, establishing a subsidiary company in Vancouver. The subsidiary, KVOS-TV Limited, brought in revenue for the station by allowing many Vancouver-area businesses to buy advertising time on the station. KVOS-TV continued to broadcast from Bellingham, with much of its audience based in southwestern British Columbia.

After just nine years of owning KVOS-TV, in 1962 Jones sold the station to Miami-based Wometco Enterprises.

Prior to the advent of Canadian content regulations in the early 1970s, Canadian television stations typically spent so little money on domestic television production that KVOS's Vancouver production office was actually one of the largest Canadian production studios anywhere in the entire country, investing most prominently in television documentaries through its Canawest Film Studios division and employing more Canadian writers, actors, artists and musicians than any other media organization in Canada besides the CBC, according to Vancouver MP Simma Holt.

The station was further damaged by a 1976 change in Canadian tax law, by which Canadian companies could no longer write off advertising purchased on American television stations as a tax deduction. In its efforts to stop the change, the station had proposed that it be granted an exemption on the condition that it then return $2 million per year back to Canadian television production; its proposal did not succeed, but the station survived the hit by closing its Canadian production office and reducing its advertising rates to offset the tax increase that its advertisers would have to pay. Even into the 1990s, the station was still sometimes criticized in CRTC licensing hearings pertaining to the Vancouver television market for purportedly draining advertising revenue from the Vancouver stations; CKVU-TV president Daryl Duke once even went so far as to compare KVOS to smallpox.

Dave Mintz, who had been a minority investor in the station since 1955 and president of the station since 1961, left the station in 1979 to become president of Canada's fledgling Global Television Network. Although American by birth, due to the importance of the Vancouver operations to the station, Mintz was residing full-time in Vancouver by the time he took the Global job.

Network affiliations, 1955–1980
KVOS began as an affiliate of DuMont upon sign-on in 1953 and remained so until DuMont went off the air in 1956. From January 1, 1955, until about 1979, KVOS was a primary CBS affiliate. In the late 1970s, KVOS sharply reduced its carriage of CBS programming to resolve two commercial disputes. First, Seattle's CBS affiliate, KIRO-TV, had launched complaints against the station and CBS regarding duplicate transmission of CBS programming in the Seattle media market. Second, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) regulations seeking to increase Canadian content and reduce the number of American network affiliates retransmitted on cable television systems in Canada put pressure on the station.

Conversion to independent and secondary Citytv affiliation
While KVOS nominally retained its CBS affiliation up to 1987, carrying a few CBS programs such as 60 Minutes, it transitioned into an independent station which primarily carried a diverse mix of syndicated and locally produced programming, including locally produced news and public affairs programs. Beginning in 1990, the station also carried a number of programs syndicated from the Toronto-based independent station Citytv, whose owner CHUM Limited did not yet have an outlet in nearby Vancouver.

Wometco was bought by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts in 1984. KKR sold off the Wometco group in 1985, with KVOS sold to Ackerley Communications. In the early 1990s, due to Federal Communications Commission syndicated exclusivity rules affecting the Seattle media market, KVOS was dropped from most Seattle cable television systems.

Second stint as an independent station
In 2001, CHUM Limited purchased the Vancouver station CKVU-TV from Canwest (turning it into a local version of Citytv in 2002, but beginning to air CHUM-provided programming on September 1, 2001) and launched a new station in Victoria known as CIVI-TV. The launch of the new outlets, along with a major series of affiliation and ownership changes in the Vancouver–Victoria market in September 2001, caused KVOS to be displaced by CIVI from its long-time home on channel 12 on many Vancouver-area cable systems, as well as losing Citytv as a source of programming.

The station came under the ownership of Clear Channel Communications (now iHeartMedia) in 2003, following that company's purchase of Ackerley. On November 16, 2006, Clear Channel announced that it would be selling its entire television division, including KVOS-TV, after being bought by private equity firms. On April 20, 2007, Clear Channel entered into an agreement to sell its entire television stations group to Providence Equity Partners' Newport Television. Providence Equity initially announced that it would not keep KVOS or KFTY in Santa Rosa, California; instead, those stations were to be resold to LK Station Group. However, LK could not obtain financing, so KVOS remained with Newport. (KFTY was eventually sold to High Plains Broadcasting, with Newport operating the station; it is now owned today by Innovate Corp., as KEMO-TV.)

In 2008, KVOS filed an application to the FCC to build its digital facility in Granite Falls in Snohomish County. (48.13583°N, -121.98222°W) The proposed location would have provided city-grade coverage of most of the Seattle area while remaining within 15 mi of Bellingham, as required by FCC rules. However, it would have significantly diminished its reach into Canada. Presently, KVOS provides grade B coverage of Seattle's northern suburbs (such as Everett, Edmonds, Bothell and Lynnwood), but just misses Seattle itself. This application was dismissed on July 16, 2009.

In January 2010, KVOS swapped channel positions (now on channel 30) with TSN on Shaw Cable in Metro Vancouver. In Vancouver, KVOS is not included on Shaw's "basic" line-up, but is included as channel 30 on Shaw's "classic" and "digital" line-ups. In Victoria, KVOS is included only on Shaw's "digital" line-up, on channel 69.

In October 2010, KVOS was added to Comcast's digital lineup on channel 72 in the Seattle–Tacoma area. This is the first time in 20 years that the station has been able to be seen in Seattle proper. This also marks the first time KVOS has been viewed in parts of Southwest Washington and Gray's Harbor coastal communities of Aberdeen and Hoquiam.

MeTV affiliation and added subchannels
The station became an affiliate of the classic television network MeTV on April 25, 2011. Later, TheCoolTV was added as a subchannel of KVOS on August 18, 2011. Unlike the main 12.1 feed, the 12.2 feed was not carried on any Canadian cable system. In January 2014, TheCoolTV was dropped in favor of Movies!.

Newport agreed to sell KVOS to OTA Broadcasting, LLC, a company controlled by Michael Dell's MSD Capital, in December 2011. The deal created a duopoly in the Seattle market with KFFV. OTA Broadcasting assumed control of KVOS on March 6, 2012. As a result of this sale, most of KVOS' staff was laid off, and most of the operations staff were moved to Seattle.

In September 2013, subchannel 12.3 was added, airing Canadian Punjabi language specialty channel Sur Sagar TV. The latter was dropped in mid-2015, and the feed went dark until September 5, 2016, when it started broadcasting Heroes & Icons (H&I).

On March 12, 2015, the main feed of KVOS had adopted to KFFV's 44.6 feed, the branding itself had been switched from MeTV KVOS to MeTV Seattle while the ident was MeTV KVOS-KFFV. Advertising was also shared between KVOS and KFFV. Due to WeatherNation TV previously airing on KFFV, Comcast identified the station as KFFVVW on its on-screen guide.

Sale to Weigel Broadcasting
Weigel Broadcasting agreed to acquire KVOS-TV and KFFV, along with KAXT-CD and KTLN-TV in San Francisco, in a $23.2 million deal on October 18, 2017, giving Weigel control of both of its MeTV affiliates in the Puget Sound region. The sale was closed on January 15, 2018, with KVOS and sister station KFFV now under Weigel ownership.

On January 17, 2018, H&I became KVOS's primary network and moved to subchannel 12.1, MeTV was relocated to subchannel 12.3 and new offering Decades was added to subchannel 12.4. KVOS' lineup expanded once more on September 3, 2018, when Start TV was added to subchannel 12.5. MeTV Plus was added to subchannel 12.6 on September 27, 2021. On March 28, 2022 Story Television launched on subchannel 12.7.

In April 2019, the CRTC approved a request by Shaw Cable in Kelowna, British Columbia, to add KVOS-DT3 to its systems on a discretionary basis. Shaw felt that the aforementioned switch to Heroes & Icons was at odds with its authorization to carry the programming feed with MeTV programming. There was no objection from the only local station in the market (which, however, is owned by a corporate sibling).

2024 switch to Univision
During the 2023 holiday season, Weigel quietly updated the station's website to reflect Univision would move to KVOS's main channel from Sinclair Broadcast Group's KUNS-TV (channel 51), which became an affiliate of The CW on January 1, 2024. As a result, H&I moved from subchannel 12.1 to subchannel 12.8. With KVOS's unique status, Univision's domestic schedule became available over-the-air in Vancouver, Victoria, and southwest British Columbia for the first time; Univision has a partnership with TLN to operate a licensed specialty channel, Univision Canada, featuring its programming.

Programming
Until January 14, 2018, KVOS ran a variety of religious and paid programs, as well as other features between shows including On Scene and MeEvents.

KVOS has produced a variety of local shows over the years. The religious program Anchor first aired in 1968 with host, Pastor Leonard Ericksen. Anchor ran for 30 years, becoming one of the longest running shows of its kind on television. KVOS also produced many news, feature, public affairs, and informational programs as well. The 10:30 Report, Weeks End and Cana West helped launch the careers of well known names such as Andy Anderson and Al Swift, who both went on to successful careers in politics. Some other feature programs have included Kids Stuff, Pacific Style, Pacific Issues, Sports Probe, To Serve and Protect and Red's Classic Theatre with famed B.C. radio personality Red Robinson from 1989 to 2001. Another famous B.C. radio personality, Jack Cullen, hosted Owl Prowl Television Theatre in the 1950s: two reels of footage from that show are held by the City of Vancouver Archives.

During the 1970s and 1980s, KVOS ran a number of British comedy programs each evening, such as On the Buses, The Benny Hill Show, Dave Allen at Large and The Two Ronnies. It was also the only non-PBS (and only commercial) station in the U.S. to air Doctor Who from 1983 to 1993.

News programming
On the morning of May 21, 1990, NewsView began broadcasts, originally starting as a half-hour show. NewsView featured a variety of local and regional news, sports, and weather for northwest Washington and the border communities of British Columbia. The first anchor was Cyndy Glenn, followed by Michele Higgins, Susan Cowden, Crystal King, Cara Buckingham, and Ty Ray. Reporters included Jeff Wyngaert, Amy Cloud, Dave Sienko and Joe Bates, while weather duties were covered (in the early years) by Jeff Kelly and Dave George, then Dan Leniczek, Dave Sienko, and Greg Otterholt. The newscast debuted at 6:30 a.m., and eventually expanded to a 90-minute show from 6:30 to 8 a.m. Due to low advertising revenues, however, KVOS ended NewsView on January 23, 2007, after 16½ years on the air. Various syndicated programming replaced NewsView in the 6:30–8 a.m. time slots. Alongside NewsView, KVOS also broadcast hourly weather updates and local forecasts at the top of every hour, under the title WeatherView; these updates were introduced in the 1980s, and ended by the mid 2000s decade.

KVOS began airing Northwest Notebook, hosted by Ty Ray, in February 2007. The show featured interviews with newsmakers from Northwest Washington and the Lower Mainland. Ray also hosted Daily Planner, a community calendar that aired six times a day. It has since gone off the air.

Subchannels
The station's signal is multiplexed: {{legend|#E6FFF7|Simulcast of subchannels of another station}}

Analog-to-digital conversion
KVOS-TV shut down its analog signal, over VHF channel 12, on February 17, 2009, as part of the federally mandated transition from analog to digital television (which Congress had moved the previous month to June 12). The station's digital signal remained on its pre-transition UHF channel 35, using virtual channel 12.

600 MHz auction
As result of the FCC's 600 MHz auction, KVOS moved to channel 14 due to spectrum repacking on October 19, 2019.

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Nova High School

Nova High School is a public high school located in Davie, Florida and is part of the Broward County Public Schools district. It is one of four schools that comprise the Nova Center for Applied Research and Professional Development, the others being Nova Eisenhower Elementary School, Nova Blanche Forman Elementary School, and Nova Middle School. Nova Eisenhower Elementary, the newest of the three lower schools, began in downtown Fort Lauderdale, in the old Fort Lauderdale High School building, while the current facility was being built in Davie.

The Nova campus is located within the South Florida Education Center, a consortium of area institutions which include the main campuses of Nova Southeastern University, Broward College, and the McFatter Technical Center as well as regional campuses of the University of Florida and Florida Atlantic University. The school has been named a Blue Ribbon School of Excellence, and has earned a FCAT school grade of "A" every year since 1999 and only one "B" grade in the 2002–2003 year.

History
Nova High School was established in 1960, and opened in September 1963, as a joint project between the Broward County Public Schools and Ford Foundation. Known as the Nova Educational Experiment, the project aimed to create a community of schools spanning elementary to university level education in one location. Forman Field, the 545-acre site of a vacated naval aviation facility and located in the then rural areas of Broward County was chosen as the site for the project.

The Nova schools were originally jointly funded by the Ford Foundation and local sources, and were known for their progressive curricula and use of experimental teaching methods. Students were required to pass an entrance exam for acceptance and a lengthy waiting list often existed for potential students. The school year consisted of eleven months of instruction, with a one-month summer break.

Nova was the beta testing site for "Propaganda" and a number of other academic games. The earliest national academic games tournaments were held on the Nova campus during the late 1960s.

After the Nova Educational Experiment ended in the 1970s, the Ford Foundation departed, and total control of the Nova schools reverted to the Broward County Public Schools. Entrance requirements were relaxed in 1985; placement on a waiting list for entry into the schools still was required.

Nova High School was ranked as the 237th best public high school in the United States and 36th best in Florida by Newsweek in 2007, and it is listed as a Silver Medal School by the U.S. News & World Report in 2008, placing it within the top 3% of all high schools in the U.S.

Demographics and statistics
As of the 2021-22 school year, the total student enrollment was 2,279. The ethnic makeup of the school was 31.6% White, 59% Black, 21.6% Hispanic, 5% Asian, 3.2% multiracial, 0.9% Native American or Native Alaskan, and 0.3% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander.

Nova High School was awarded a grade of "A" by the Florida Department of Education in 2002–2003, 2004–2013. On the 2007 norm-referenced Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test (FCAT), Nova students performed nationally at the 75th percentile in reading and 82nd percentile in math. Nova faculty have, on average, 12 years of teaching experience and 49% hold advanced degrees. Average class size is 25, and the student stability rate is 97%.

County-sanctioned athletic programs

 * Basketball (Boys' and Girls')
 * Baseball (Boys')
 * Bowling
 * Cross Country (Boys' and Girls')
 * Diving (Boys' and Girls')
 * American football (Boys')
 * Flag football (Girls')
 * Soccer (Boys' and Girls')
 * Swimming (sport) (Boys' and Girls')
 * Diving (sport) (Boys' and Girls')
 * Track and Field (Boys' and Girls')
 * Tennis (Boys' and Girls')
 * Softball (Girls')
 * Volleyball (Boys' and Girls')
 * Wrestling (Boys')
 * Water Polo (Boys' and Girls')
 * Golf Team (Boys' and Girls')
 * Step Team (Boys' and Girls')
 * Cheerleading

Debate team
Members of the Nova High School speech and debate team have won nine National Championships since the year 2000: Jeff Hannan in Student Congress (2000), Scott Jacobson in Student Congress (2002), Matt Futch in Student Congress (2004), Allison Pena in Extemp Commentary (2007), Jared Odessky in Domestic Extemporaneous Speaking and Jamaque Newberry in Dramatic Interpretation (2011), Gregory Bernstein in Congressional Debate (2013), Craig Heyne in Prose Reading (2016), and the team of Cornelia Fraser and Rafey Khan in Public Forum Debate (2017).

Entertainment

 * Jeff Garlin, Class of 1980, comedian and actor/producer of Curb Your Enthusiasm, star of The Goldbergs
 * Paige O'Hara, voice of Belle from Beauty and the Beast
 * Scott Storch, Grammy Award–winning music producer
 * Uffie (Anna-Catherine Hartley), electro music artist
 * Justin D. Jacobson, Class of 1988, game designer and publisher
 * David Bianculli, Class of 1971, television critic for National Public Radio
 * Corinne Kaplan, Survivor contestant on Survivor: Gabon and Survivor: Caramoan

News

 * Glenn Greenwald, Class of 1985, journalist and author
 * Alison Kosik, CNN business correspondent
 * Marie Murray Martin, Class of 1981, founder of the Elberta Arts Center and education writer
 * Cary Tennis, Class of 1971, writer for Salon.com

Athletics
Football
 * Autry Denson, Class of 1995, running back, all-time rushing yards leader at University of Notre Dame; running backs coach
 * Tyrus McCloud, Class of 1993 – linebacker, NFL player
 * Chris Gamble, cornerback, Carolina Panthers (2004–2012)
 * Omar Smith, center, New York Giants (2002–2004)

Baseball Basketball Soccer
 * Harry Chappas, MLB shortstop with Chicago White Sox (1978–1980)
 * Jeff Fiorentino, MLB outfielder with Baltimore Orioles (2005–2006, 2009) and Oakland Athletics (2008)
 * Doug Johns, MLB pitcher with Oakland Athletics (1995–1996) and Baltimore Orioles (1998–1999)
 * Tyler Kinley, MLB pitcher with the Minnesota Twins (2018)
 * Mike Morse, Class of 2000, MLB outfielder/first baseman with several teams
 * Anthony Swarzak, MLB pitcher with several teams
 * Mickey Dillard, NBA player for Cleveland Cavaliers (1981–1982); played collegiately at Florida State University
 * Jim Thomas, played in NBA for Indiana Pacers (1983–1985), Los Angeles Clippers (1985–1986) and Minnesota Timberwolves (1990–1991); played collegiately at the University of Indiana
 * Cory Gibbs, professional soccer player for several teams and the U.S. national team

Other

 * Robert F. Coleman, professor of mathematics at the University of California, Berkeley
 * Nathan Connolly, Class of 1995, historian. Herbert Baxter Adams Associate Professor of History at Johns Hopkins University
 * Chesley V. Morton, Class of 1969, Georgia House of Representatives 1983–1991
 * Kevyn D. Orr, Class of 1979, City of Detroit emergency financial manager
 * Brian A. Skiff, Class of 1973, noted astronomer at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona
 * Ben Stark, Class of 2001, Hall of Fame player for Magic: The Gathering

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NRG

NRG may refer to:

Music

 * Several electronic music genres, including:
 * Hi-NRG, an early evolution of new-style disco
 * Hard NRG, a hard form of dance music
 * Euro-NRG, another name for Eurodance
 * DJ NRG, an alias of Eurobeat artist Ken Laszlo (Gianni Coraini)
 * NRG (South Korean band)
 * "N-R-G", a 1990 song by Adamski

Organisations

 * Nieuw Republikeins Genootschap, a Dutch republican society
 * NRG Energy, an energy company
 * NRG Park, Houston, Texas, US
 * NRG Stadium
 * NRG station, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
 * NRG Engineering, Singapore
 * NRG360, previously nrg, a defunct Israeli news site
 * NRG Networks, a UK-based business networking organisation
 * NRG Recording Studios in North Hollywood, US
 * Nuclear Research and Consultancy Group, Netherlands
 * NRG Esports, an American esports organization
 * Gestetner Group, later NRG Group
 * NRG Realfagsgymnas, a Norwegian private school
 * Northern Research Group, a group of MPs within the UK Conservative Party

Biochemistry

 * Neuregulins:
 * Neuregulin 1 or NRG1
 * Neuregulin 2 or NRG2
 * Neuregulin 3 or NRG3
 * Neuregulin 4 or NRG4
 * Psychoactive compounds:
 * Naphyrone (NRG-1)
 * 4-MEC (NRG-2)
 * Pentylone (NRG-3)
 * RCS-4 (NRG-4)
 * 5-IAI (NRG-5)

Other

 * NRG (file format), used by the Nero Burning ROM utility
 * Numerical renormalization group, a numerical technique to solve certain many-body problems where quantum impurity physics plays a key role
 * New River Gorge National Park and Preserve

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Talk:Nova High School

Delete: Vanity
High Schools are not notable.

 * They can be notable. →  Jarlaxle Artemis   00:17, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * Not notable is not a criterion for speedy deletion. Kappa 00:16, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just to rub it in your face, Casito (O one who doesn't sign is name), I'll write an article about my own high school right now. → Jarlaxle Artemis   00:20, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

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If Wikipedia is truly to be a source of good, solid information about just about everything, I don't see why high schools shouldn't be included. In fact, I will here encourage people to post articles on their own high schools as well.

Just because you haven't heard of a high school or don't like a high school doesn't mean it isn't notable. And even if it isn't notable (what does 'notable' mean anyways?), that still doesn't mean that Wikipedia should overlook it. To me, for example, there's a lot of nearly-useless information on Wikipedia, such as the article on vampire watermelons, but just because I don't have a use for it doesn't mean someone else won't. In fact, given how Wikipedia is quickly expanding to be a quite comprehensive--and easily updatable--worldwide public information resource, I can imagine parents of the future checking Wikipedia to check out the quality of high schools they plan to send children to, for example.

~GiveMeHead B.

I don't know what the author means when he says that the middle school opened in 1977, because I attended the middle school in 1976. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradwelljackson (talk • contribs) 12:45, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Reinserted Alumni. Should not have been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.30.181.105 (talk) 06:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Please, this is not a high school yard. The B word is not a word to be used in this encyclopedia.

disambig?
Shouldn't this page be a disamibuation page? Nova High School (Redding, California) and One in Seattle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.189.9 (talk) 05:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC) No? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.189.9 (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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Should we include historical information regarding segregation and creation about the school?
Nova High School began as a segregated school before desegregating. There's some more information in the reports linked below, but this information may add value to the article overall. There's also a bit in the first report about the school being advertised as a "school of the future," explaining why there's a giant space mural in one of the buildings.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/1988/11/13/magnet-schools-thousands-of-students-wait-years-for-a-chance-to-attend-nova/

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The Japanese Garden

The Japanese Garden is a 6.5 acres public Japanese garden in Los Angeles, located in the Lake Balboa district in the central San Fernando Valley, adjacent to the Van Nuys and Encino neighborhoods. It is specifically on the grounds of the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant adjacent to Woodley Park, in the Sepulveda Basin Recreation Area.

The garden's Japanese name is Suihō-en (水芳園) meaning "garden of water and fragrance." The idea of having a Japanese Garden adjacent to a water reclamation plant was conceived by Donald C. Tillman. The garden's purpose was to demonstrate a positive use of reclaimed water, in what is usually considered a delicate environment, a Japanese garden. The ponds and irrigation use reclaimed water from the adjacent water reclamation plant.

Design
The gardens were designed by Dr. Koichi Kawana, and created from 1980 to 1983. Their formal dedication was on June 14, 1984. The Japanese Garden has been ranked 10th out of 300 public Japanese gardens in the United States by the Journal of Japanese Gardening.

As one first enters The Japanese Garden, one walks through a dry Zen meditation garden (Karesansui) containing a large grass-covered mound, representing Tortoise Island, a symbol of longevity, and a Three Buddhas (Trikaya) arrangement of stones. Next comes an expansive chisen, or "wet strolling" garden with waterfalls, lakes, trees, and stone lanterns. At path's end is the Shoin Building with an authentic 4½ tatami (7 m2) tea house and adjacent tea garden.

Events and in media
The garden is a popular spot for visiting and planned events. It can be rented for wedding ceremonies and Hollywood film/video projects, such as Star Trek: The Next Generation where it stood for various planets and Starfleet locations on Earth, including the Starfleet Academy. The Shoin building was also used as the spa in the 2003 film Bruce Almighty.

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Anne Helm

Anne Helm (born September 12, 1938) is a retired Canadian-born actress and children's author (as Annie Helm), who primarily appeared in guest roles on episodes of various American television series. Her few film roles include playing Elvis Presley's love interest in the 1962 film Follow That Dream. Helm had two recurring roles, playing Molly Pierce in five episodes during the 85-episode run of the mid-1960s series Run for Your Life and playing the minor role of nurse Mary Briggs in an unknown number of episodes of the daily soap opera General Hospital from 1971 to 1973.

Early years
Helm was born in Toronto, Canada, and grew up in Ste. Marguerite, a hamlet. Her father was a broker of real estate, and her mother operated a country inn and dairy farm.

She began studying ballet with the National Ballet Guild of Canada when she was 12, and at 14 she studied at the Metropolitan Opera Ballet School.

Career
Helm began performing on Broadway in the 1940s as she danced in High Kickers (1941), Lady in the Dark (1943),  and Mexican Hayride (1944). She returned as an actress, portraying Sally Reece in Cloud 7 (1958) and Edwina Booth in Edwin Booth (1958). During the 1950s, she modeled clothing for teenage girls in New York, made commercials and danced at the Copacabana night club.

Living in New York City, Helm began her pursuit of an acting career, which eventually led to Hollywood. Beginning in the 1950s, she made guest appearances on television series. Her television debut occurred on The Phil Silvers Show in the role of a contestant in a beauty pageant. Her 1958 title role in Shirley Temple's Storybook's presentation of "The Sleeping Beauty" was the subject of an article in Life magazine. She made her motion picture debut in 1960.

Helm was cast as Linda Moon in the 1960 episode "A Thief or Two" on CBS's anthology series, The DuPont Show with June Allyson, with co-star Lew Ayres. She appeared on the CBS Western series Rawhide in the episodes "Incident Near Gloomy River (1961) and "Inside Man" (1962). She guest-starred in an episode of the CBS sitcom My Sister Eileen, with Elaine Stritch and Shirley Bonne.

In 1961, Helm appeared in an episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents ("The Changing Heart", Series 6, episode 14/205, airdate January 3, 1961). Alfred Hitchcock Presents The Big Kick, Season 7 episode 37. She guest-starred in the premiere episode of ABC's Bus Stop drama series. That same year, she appeared in the first season of CBS's Route 66 in the episode "The Clover Throne", and in the syndicated crime drama The Brothers Brannagan in the episode "Equinox." She also played Glamis Barlow, the title character, in the Perry Mason TV episode, "The Case of the Duplicate Daughter." In Dec 1961 she appeared as a drug addicted gun moll in The Untouchables episode 3–8, "Mankiller". Helm was cast as Jennie Metcalf, the daughter of an outlaw who seeks vengeance for her father's death, in the 1962 episode "Girl with a Gun", on the syndicated anthology series, Death Valley Days.

Helm drew national recognition as Holly Jones, the love interest of Elvis Presley in his 1962 film Follow That Dream. She made five more films during the 1960s including The Iron Maiden (released in the US as Swinging Maiden), a 1962 British made comedy film, The Interns (1962), Honeymoon Hotel (1964), The Unkissed Bride (1966), and the horror film Nightmare in Wax (1969).

Helm played different roles in three appearances on Wagon Train, an American Western series. The first episode Helm was on was entitled "The Dick Pederson Story" (10 Jan. 1962); the second episode was entitled "Heather and Hamish" (10 Apr. 1963) and the third was "The Story of Cain" (16 Dec. 1963).

On January 15, 1963, Helm guest-starred in the episode "Protective Custody" of NBC's Western series, Laramie. David Brian played Walt Douglas, an official of the stage line, who arrives in Laramie seeking his estranged daughter, Alicia, portrayed by Helm.

In the Gunsmoke TV Series she played "Helena Dales" in "One Killer on Ice", and "Trudy Trent" in "Bad Seed".

Later in 1963, she was cast as Joanie in the series finale, "The Convention," of the modern Western series, Empire.

In 1963 she also guest-starred as Janie in Season-three of CBS's TV series Route 66 in the episode: "Narcissus On An Old Red Fire Engine".

Helm appeared in The Magic Sword (1962) opposite Basil Rathbone and Gary Lockwood. She was originally cast to play Joan Crawford's daughter Carol in William Castle's Strait-Jacket (1964) but was replaced.

Helm appeared as Nora Martin in a 1964 episode of The Fugitive titled "Ballad for a Ghost", and again in a 1964 episode of 'Burke's Law' - 'Who Killed 1/2 Of Glory Lee?' -  as Sable Delacroix.

Helm had the role of Amy in the ABC drama The Long, Hot Summer (1965-1966). She also appeared in two episodes of the ABC Western series The Big Valley, both times in a role that interacted prominently with main cast member Lee Majors. Her first appearance was on October 20, 1965, in the first-season episode "Heritage" in the role of Brydie Hanrahan. Helm then returned on March 4, 1968, in the third season in the episode entitled "The Devil's Masquerade," playing the role of Nancy.

In 1967 she appeared as Jeanne Springer in Season 3 Episode 16 "Long Time Dead" of Twelve O'Clock High.

Helms' appearance on The F.B.I. in 1968 was her third on that series in three years. In 1968, Helm appeared as Irene Park in Season 1 of Hawaii Five-O.

In 1968 appeared in the chapter 32 of the season 9 as a teacher in the tv Series Bonanza. In 1969 she appeared as Karen Mallory on the TV Series The Virginian in the episode titled "Journey to Scathelock."

From 1971 to 1973, Helm was a regular cast member on the ABC soap opera General Hospital.

In 1986, Helm appeared in the episode "The Doll", on Steven Spielberg's dramatic television anthology, Amazing Stories.

Author
After her acting career ended in 1986, Helm started writing children's books, as Annie Helm. Her book The Sunshine Angel Book for Angel Workers of All Ages was published in 1992, followed in 1993 by The Little Angel Workbook for Children of all Ages. Fifteen years later, in 2018, her book Babystar was published.

Personal life
Helm was married from 1968 to 1969 to author John Sherlock, with whom she had a son, Peter Sherlock. Her second husband was actor Robert Viharo, whom she wed in 1971 and had a daughter, Serena Viharo, who also became an actress. Helm and Viharo divorced in 1979. Her former sister-in-law are actress Brooke Bundy who had a daughter, Tiffany Helm, that went to became actress like her.

Select filmography

 * Tales of Wells Fargo (1960) (Season 5 Episode 9: "The Killing of Johnny Lash") as Nell
 * The Outlaws (1960) (Season 1 Episode 3: "Beat the Drum Slowly") as Blanche Chante
 * Sea Hunt (1960) (Season 3 Episode 29: "Storm Drain") as Caroline Tucker
 * Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1961) (Season 6 Episode 14: "The Changing Heart") as Lisa Klemm
 * Route 66 (1961) (Season 1 Episode 15: "The Clover Throne") as Sweet Thing
 * Rawhide (1961) (Season 3 Episode 19: "Incident Near Gloomy River") as Flora Travis
 * Rawhide (1961) (Season 4 Episode 6: "The Inside Man") as Sheila Brewester
 * Gunsmoke (1961) (Season 6 Episode 21: "Bad Seed") as Trudy
 * Perry Mason (1961) (Season 4 Episode 26: "The Case of the Duplicate Daughter") as Glamis Barlow
 * Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1962) (Season 7 Episode 37: "The Big Kick") as Judy
 * Route 66 (1962) (Season 2 Episode 32: "From an Enchantress Fleeing") as Lorre Martin
 * The Iron Maiden (US: 'The Swinging Maiden') (1962) as Kathy Fisher
 * Follow that Dream (1962) as Holly Jones
 * Wagon Train (1962) (Season 5 Episode 15: "The Dick Pederson Story") as Janey Cutler
 * Route 66 (1963) (Season 3 Episode 24: "Narcissus on an Old Red Fire Engine") as Janie Nickerson
 * Laramie (1963) (Season 4 Episode 15: "Protective Custody") as Alicia Douglas / Leona
 * The Lieutenant (1963) (Season 1 Episode 13: "The Art of Discipline") as Laurice Arnold
 * Wagon Train (1963) (Season 6 Episode 29: "The Heather and Hamish Story") as Heather MacIntosh
 * Wagon Train (1963) (Season 7 Episode 13: "The Story of Cain") as Ruth Cain
 * Gunsmoke (1965) (Season 10 Episode 18: "One Killer on Ice") as Helena Dales
 * The Big Valley (1965) (Season 1 Episode 6: "Heritage") as Brydie Hanrihan
 * Bonanza (1965) (Season 7 Episode 8: "The Meredith Smith") as Meredith Smith / Callie Martin
 * The F.B.I. (1967) (Season 2 Episode 28: "Force of Nature") as Gloria Burnett
 * The Big Valley (1968) (Season 3 Episode 24: "The Devil's Masquerade") as Nancy Briggs
 * Bonanza (1968) (Season 9 Episode 32: "Pride of a Man") as Abigail Pettigraw
 * The F.B.I. (1968) (Season 3 Episode 23: "The Nineth Man") as Dorothy Phillips / Anita Hale
 * The F.B.I. (1968) (Season 4 Episode 11: "The Butcher") as Karen Dryden
 * Hawaii Five-O (1968) (Season 1 Episode 9: "By the Numbers") as Irene Park
 * Hawaii Five-O (1969) (Season 2 Episode 4: "Just Lucky, I Guess") as Joyce
 * The F.B.I. (1969) (Season 5 Episode 6: "Gamble with Death") as Amy Springer
 * Adam-12 (1969) (Season 1 Episode 20: "Log 73: I'm Still a Cop") as Peg Tompkins

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User talk:170.158.70.251

December 2017
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Entranced98 (talk) 16:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Electric charge, you may be blocked from editing.

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December 2021
Hello, I'm EthanGaming7640. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Lopez Lomong have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. — Ethan  Gaming  7640 , Counter-Vandalism Unit 15:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

September 2022
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Walnut, you may be blocked from editing. Cutlass Ciera 15:22, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Walnut. Cutlass Ciera 15:22, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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