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Talk:XM Satellite Radio

Modulation Method
What method of modulation does XM use? Is it the same as Sirius? What does Sirius use? I'm assuming it's some kind of pulse code modulation, but I would like specifics. 129.186.159.115 (talk) 19:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge XM satellite radio footprints into Article
I have suggested and tagged XM satellite radio footprints for merging with this article. I did a little rewriting and reformatting of the article to make it fit in a little better as a section, however, it may still require a little bit of cleanup, as I am a new to wikipedia. If no one disagrees, I'll go ahead and attempt the merge. BTW, when I'm suggesting a merge, should I tag this page as well, or is the source page being tagged enough? Thanks  Agonizing Fury 22:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The map is fine, but the information isn't completely correct. There are only 800 repeaters in the US and between 80 and 100 in Canada. Much of the info in your piece is already in the "Technology" portion of the XM Radio piece. If you want to add the map that would be fine, but if you add the info, it could be seen as redundant. 75.10.136.163 02:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your input, I will ensure that any information that is either redundant, or conflicting with other information in this article does not get merged. That is the main reason I wanted to merge the article as it is mostly redundant or conflicting. I just didn't want to completely strip the article of all information when I rewrote it, in case the merge was frowned upon by others in the community. Since this is not a very busy page I'll wait another 24 hours or so before merging, and do a little more research into some of the facts before I merge it. Thanks again Agonizing Fury 11:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Harvard Case Study
"XM Satellite Radio was covered in Harvard Business School's Case 9-504-009." What does this mean?-User:naryathegreat | (talk) 02:38, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Possible answer: It probably means that it was covered as a case study in Harvard Business School. Case studies are commonly used as teaching tools.  The Case Number may be the one assigned by the school to an analysis of the XM business model, implications, etc.  For more information, you might wish to contact the school directly.

XM Transponder/satellite questions
I have a question: I would like to know why using only one transponder in the XM-1 and XM-2 satellites (covered in the "Technology" section of this article) will rectify the shortening of the life of these satellites from 15 years to only 6 years. From what I read, the satellites suffer from a solar concentrator fogging problem. I can guess that perhaps it "strains" the batteries somehow to use more than a single transponder to compensate for this shortage, which would mean that using two satellites with one transponder each might possibly double the life of the batteries. (I gather that XM-3 ("Rhythm") is supposed to help compensate by moving into XM-2's old spot.) But this proposed explanation is ONLY a guess. I would like a firmer answer.

Also, what are XM's plans to follow up on its XM-4? Is there an XM-5? Are there going to be satellites that will replace the current constellation of three satellites (XM-1, -2, and -3)? Since -4 ("Roll") is apparently a ground spare, what is purpose is XM-5 going to serve? What happens when the six-to-fifteen (depending on contingencies) year lifetimes of XM-1, -2 and -3 are up?

 * XM-4 was just launched and is now live. XM-1 and XM-2 are now both powered-off as in-orbit spares with XM-3 and XM-4 as the only active birds.  The article has been updated to this effect.  XM-5 is in the works as a ground-spare, like XM-3 was before it was launched due to the predicted pre-mature failure of XM-1 and XM-2. It is to be built by Space Systems/Loral however, rather than Boeing.  74.70.48.140 01:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

-- TomXP411[Talk] 05:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You're essentially correct. I don't think the batteries have much to do with it; once the panels are running, battery storage is mostly a moot point (except if the sattelite is in an eclipse). The big problem is simply that the solar panels can no longer generate 100% power, meaning that only one transmitter can run.

Remove external link?
I believe that the external link XMLiving.com, which was added by 71.49.138.36 is an advertisement for a commercial product, is inappropriate for Wikipedia, and should be removed. Do others agree? Joe 14:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes. I rolled back those links in the 3 articles they had been added.  Wikibofh 20:38, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Personally, I don't see a problem with a specified section entitled "external links." I find this a useful section that is included on many other wiki entries. It seems the rule that has been established on this particular wiki entry, is that external links posted with some connection to a commercial product for sale should be deleted. Therefore I took the liberty of deleting the XM Fan site links, as they filter traffic from their "fan" site directly to their e-commerce store. By your own definition, this would be "inappropriate" and according to wikibofh "vandalism." I’d like to see a useful external links section included here, but for now, what's done to one should be done to all. By the way Wikibofh, I don't appreciate the elitist tone of your private message. It spoils the usefulless of an online "community." Thanks. nhansen aka 71.49.138.36  20:57, 15 October 2005

6 million subscribers?
"As of October 2005, XM leads Sirius Satellite Radio in subscriptions in the U.S. satellite radio market with over 6 million suscribers."

As of 1/1/06, though XM's official guidance was that they expected more than 6 million subscribers by the end of 2005, they have not officially announced the numbers for 05, and certainly not back in October.
 * However, they did release this press release indicating that they are over the 6 million mark. Next time, please sign your comments with four tildes (~) Ajwebb 02:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

true mobile services
"XM is currently the only sattelite radio service to offer true mobile services, utilizing the built in antenna in its MyFi to transmit a live satellite signal to Ipod sized battery operated devices." What does this mean?

 * it means xm is the only satellite radio service with a portable device.--IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 22:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Restoring this fact. (Countzer 22:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

XM solely brand name
There's no mention of XM being solely a brand name, which I'm assuming is the case as a pun on AM (Amplitude modulation) and FM (Frequency modulation) radio, i.e. "XM" doesn't mean anything (Am I correct?). Nagelfar 04:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * XM is the brand name. XM does not stand for anything.  You are correct in that.--XMBRIAN 19:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add this information to the article? I think it's important from a technological standpoint to understand that it's only a brand name. CoatThese (talk) 11:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Correct year of founding?
In both the first section of the article and in the infobox it states that American Mobile Radio Corporation was founded in 1992. But in the timeline it states that it was founded in 1988. Which one is correct?--XMBRIAN 19:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

 * It is correct, just confusing. "American Mobile Satellite Corporation" was founded in 1988. In 1992 they spun off a wholly owned subsidiary company known as "American Mobile Radio Corporation". It is this company that would go on to become XM Radio. The previous one founded in 1988 would change its name to Motient in 2000, and remain on as the parent company of XM until 2001. --homer985 03:20, 28 March 2006

XM Radio in cuba
The footprint for XM coverage obviously includes Cuba. Are they allowed to listen in cuba?--C5mjohn 08:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

XM's footprint can cover areas where it would be illegal to listen. For example, XM's satellite footprint covered Canada before Canada allowed XM recievers. XM 12:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

heard "you can swear" so...FCC?
I searched for "FCC" on the page but couldn't find it. How come broadcasting rules are different? Does the FCC not have jurisdiction over the frequencies in question?

 * It's not a broadcast medium, it's a subscription medium, like satellite TV. -- Coneslayer 18:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you. I think the very first sentence should incorporate this important fact.

WiMax controversy -- add "Criticism" to article?
According to an article on Orbitcast, XM has been stirring up controversy from the RIAA, FCC and now WiMAX. Should we add a "Criticism" section to the article?

WxWorx
I would be willing to help with edits to a page on Wxworx if anyone is interested in such a thing. I have several marine units now and I can post screen shots or whatever. BUT just as a disclaimer I am a dealer for the marine weather receivers. Monkey 32606 20:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

What about information about High Profile Artist DJ's?
I see that Oprah is mentioned in the context of non-traditional DJs, and lots of attention is paid to Opie and Anthony and Ron and Fez, but what about a description of Bob Dylan's original weekly program on XM: Theme Time Radio? And Tom Petty's Buried Treasure show? Huge Oversight not to include this information.

Update Subscribers Numbers
XM announced that their subscriber total is now up to 7,627,873. Right now on the page it's showing the number still at 7 million. Here's a link to Orbitcast where they have an updated graph for subscriber numbers. http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/a-look-at-sirius-xm-subscribers-in-2006.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Art10 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

Ref. 3 more about Mexico than Hawaii
(In spite of titles...)

165.154.46.240 00:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * So? The reference is backing up a claim that XM is usable in Mexico.  Whether it works in Hawai'i is not consequential, and the title has no bearing on the article content. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 00:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that titles having no bearing to the content is considered acceptable. Why not at least add a [bracketed phrase] to the title to clarify that it nothing to do with Hawaii. I only followed the link because I was curious about 'XM in Hawaii - Huh?'

165.154.46.8 01:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you not see that it was a reference to a particular topic in the article? It really isn't uncommon for references to be mainly about a completely different topic than the article, with only a particular mention somewhere in the body.  Clarity isn't really the point of the reference title, only the contents therein. Hope that makes sense.  --  Huntster  T • @ • C 06:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial sites
I understand that promoting the stores is not allowed in Wikipedia, but the information given by these sites may be of vaule to the end user, which is the reason this website is maintained. TravKoolBreeze 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought the same thing when someone deleted the links I put in to the two forum sites. Then I realized that I found them in a few seconds with a Google search, so the links aren't really necessary. TomXP411 06:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I'd rather have the links there than not there. Those sites are very informative: I found out a lot about XM that I didn't know before I signed up for the service; in fact, if I'd visited one of those forums before I got a SkyFi, I might have purchased a different radio instead. Both sites contain a lot of useful information, and since the two have different policies regarding what can and can't be talked about, they're both necessary. (XM411, for example, "tows the company line" when it comes to discussion about radio mods or third party software.) Rather than remove them both as spam, perhaps editors could actually look at the sites and see what they contain. TomXP411 06:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that I read WP:EL I see that the forum links are not appropriate. They should stay deleted. Please don't put them back in, Trav.TomXP411 06:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Great points, Tom. Also, here is the exact text from the "style manual": "Wikipedia articles can include links to web pages outside Wikipedia. Such pages could contain further research which is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks); or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article (such as reviews and interviews)."

XMFan, one of the sites that Huntster downplays, does in fact contain reviews AND interviews. Perhaps he could check out the website before he makes uninformed comments. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.186.126.70 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Lots of sites have reviews and interviews, Wikipedia is not here to replace Google. BJ Talk 06:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No kidding. Are you related to Huntster? That was only an example of the "meaningful, relevant content." Perhaps you guys could say something meaningful and relevant yourselves, as opposed to just being smart alecks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.186.126.70 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 12 February 2007   (UTC)

All of this is rather immaterial. Please familiarize yourself with WP:EL, especially the section titled "Links normally to be avoided", and specifically numbers 10, 11, and 13. (note that 11 and 13 relate to sites run by fans.) Note also that personal attacks are to be avoided :P --  Huntster  T • @ • C 06:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Items 10, 11, and 13 are not relevant to that site. Please familiarize yourself with it before you comment further. Saving that, please remove yourself from the conversation. If you weren't so cocksure about things about which you know little, you wouldn't draw so many personal attacks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.186.126.70 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 12 February 2007  (UTC)

 * Actually, they are quite relevant. #10 states that message boards/forums should be avoided.  #11 says that personal blogs and sites should be avoided, a category into which most fansites fall.  #13 mentions that "Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject" should not be used, which basically also means to avoid fansites because they don't have a direct connection to the subject material (read that point and you'll see what it's talking about).  I really don't know how it could be any clearer. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 07:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Then a lot of pages will have to be edited on wikipedia for this error. So a link has to be follow all thirteeen rulls to be helpful for the user?  I'm sorry but I look out for the user first.  Four links will not bring down the website.  Also,WP:EL says links to normally be avoid, thus meaning it always applies. TravKoolBreeze 14:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * These guidelines were put into place to prevent editors from going nuts and placing many, many links to their favourite sites. It is simply good policy to leave it be...to allow only official websites or news articles here.  As someone said above, we aren't here to replace Google. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 14:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Then a lot of pages will have to be edited on wikipedia for this error." That's correct, and that's why WikiProject Spam exists. Just because a policy requires tedious edits to a large number of pages does not make that policy any less important. Guidelines are in place to look out for the users as well. PSUMark2006   talk  |  contribs  15:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, I re-iterate: XMFan and XM411 are at the top of the Google list when you search for XM Forum. They also both show up in the first page when you search for variants on the topic. Personally, I'd rather see the links there, but according to the guidelines, they shouldn't be. So let's just let it rest, before this page gets locked. -TomXP411 15:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

XM411 and XMFan
So far, I've seen these sites added and deleted 3 times in the last few days.

They are definitely useful sites, however they're being deleted under WP:EL, specifically Links to be avoided, #10 - forums. We need to build a consensus on this, before someone slaps a protect on this page. I'm back and forth myself on the issue: I tend to mostly use the forums on both sites, so I think of them mostly as a forum. However, there is a lot of useful information there, as well. I've discovered things there that I never would have found out through official channels. For example, I discovered the PCR and the XM Direct there: In fact, I'm using an XM direct now, and with a homebrew cable and sofware I've created, I record news, talk shows, and radio dramas to listen to on my time schedule.

I'm proposing that we decide whether to Keep the links to XMFan and XM411, based on the fact that they're useful, or that we Delete, based on WP:EL. We should post a comment in the page to let future people know what's going on and prevent further edit wars. I'll start -TomXP411 19:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is not a democracy. These links are being deleted per #10, 11, and 13, which, as stated above, covers everything from forums to unofficial websites.  Per these points, the links are being removed. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 19:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If we can settle this once and for all, perhaps we can end the edit wars. Otherwise, you'll be in here every 3 days deleting links that someone else will re-create 2 days later. I didn't start this to keep the links. I started this to settle the issue. I don't agree that 10 applies, since the site is not just a forum. I also don't see that those are blogs, since a blog is usually a personal journal, not a public news page (although some people use blog software to publish news). Re 13, you could argue that the page is not symetrically related, meaning that while these sites point to XM.com, XM.com doesn't link to those sites. However, What Should Be linked #3 and 4 both apply. In fact, since XM's own web site is pretty limited in terms of real information (in fact, a lot of things have dissapeared from the official site, such as drivers and software for the PCR), the only place to get info on some of these things, like the PCR or the XM Direct, is through unofficial sites. Would you deny useful information on the basis if it being a "fan" site, or leave the links in on the weight of their meaningful and relevant content? -TomXP411 20:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, actually, I would deny these things because we aren't here to replace Google. Not to mention, isn't the whole PCR thing less-than-legal (considering the 3rd party vendors were receiving cease-and-desist letters?).  We shouldn't be acting as an agent to subverting legitiment business.  Also, "What to link" #3 don't really apply, since XM targeted fansites cannot be considered neutral.  I really don't think 4 necessarily applies either, but I'm going to leave that one alone.  The primary problem is, as stated above, how can one fansite be considered valuable enough for inclusion, yet another one isn't?  The best policy is to remove all fansites to keep things more fair. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 21:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, this isn't Google. But what's the point of a links section if not to give more information about something? The "official" information about XM is sorely lacking and doesn't cover much in terms of what real people think. If someone was considering buying an XM receiver, I'd hate to point them to the XM web site and say "here you go". They need more research than that. As to the PCR: The PCR is a product that can still be purchased secondhand, and there is nothing illegal about software that replaces the control software included with the PCR (nothing in copyright law precludes one from writing their own drivers for a piece of hardware). The only questionable action was distributing recording capable software, such as TimeTrax. Those aren't the only two XM fan sites, but they're the biggest and most complete. Just about any search for a topic involving XM radio turns up one or both of those sites.

 * Keep: XMFan and XM411 both provide news and useful information that doesn't come to light through the official company page, such as hardware reviews, news, and installation tips. -TomXP411 19:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Remove: Arguments are all stated above. -- Huntster  T • @ • C 21:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep: Despite their forum format, they are the main "fan" sites of XM Radio... Just like a major fan site of a band would be listed. The sites provide information that is not available on the official site. -newkai t-c 05:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Playing Devil's advocate: can you point to some bands where the fan sites are listed AND there has been discussion on whether or not to keep the site? I'd like to see the policies used in making that decision. Thanks. :) -- TomXP411[Talk] 06:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that Tom. I should also point out that just because another article does something, it doesn't automatically make it correct ;)  I have posted something about this on the Village Pump asking for outside advice (link), so hopefully someone will respond. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 08:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Last comment was 3 days ago. John Broughton made a good point over on the Village Pump. Any more opinions? I still think those are both good "more reading" sites, considering the fact that the company site is pretty horrible. However, I'd rather let it go than fight over it. Whatever we do, I'd like to see a comment in the external links about this, so you don't have to revert edits every other day. -- TomXP411[Talk] 06:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem with a note in the section is that very few people will listen to it. It's been tried elsewhere, and people simply remove it and add whatever they want.  The only thing that works is diligent patrolling.  Personally, I fully believe in the "NOT a directory" ideal, that only "official" sites should be included as a jumping off point.  --  Huntster  T • @ • C 09:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

 * It seems that the partially protected status has at least stopped the vandalism. Seeing as both sites are easily discoverble with Google, I think we've hashed this out about as far as it's going to go. -- TomXP411[Talk] 15:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Merger Talk
While reports from ABC News ans the NY Post has said there is a merger, neither company has officially stated it. This should be mentioned as reports has the tendency of falling a part. TravKoolBreeze 19:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As soon as I say that, a press release from XM is issued. TravKoolBreeze 19:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good catch, I just noticed a blurb about this on TV a few minutes ago. I had thought the FCC declined the possibility of a merger...interesting. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 22:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe it. I have like 5 XM Radios around, and now they're going to merge with Sirius. This brings up the question that we'll ALL have: What happens to existing hardware? Does it become obsolete? Do new hybrid receivers emerge? Will XM and Sirius satellites echo the same programming, with the hardware limitation of 255 channels, or will there be new receivers that can receive the full channel complement of both satellites? Will some of the channels from both services be cut, increasing the bandwidth (and therefore the audio quality) of the remaining channels?

As the merger matures, do you think we should create an XM/Sirius (Xirius?) merger article? I'm thinking that the same news will apply to BOTH articles: XM and Sirius Radio, so it'd be nice to have one article with the combined data of both services.

Or is Wikipedia Not a Newspaper, so that tracking this stuff is inapropriate? -- TomXP411[Talk] 02:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I hardly say the merger discussions qualify for being called a "buyout" so I removed those words. More so nothing has been confirmed and that whole section is merely speculation.

Patrickmacdonald 03:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Press release on XM's web site: http://xmradio.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_releases&item=1423

Created a new article. Please go add info there as its available. I think people will be asking these questions (at least, these are the two most common questions on the forums)

 * what about our hardware? address any announcements about hardware changes, including a universal receiver
 * what about my favorite station? when info comes available about stations, let's build a post-merger station list

-- TomXP411[Talk] 03:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Official documents claim it is a merger. XM corporation and branding will be KEPT. http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?FilingID=4980805&Type=HTML

70.64.50.221 14:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Added a treatment of the bandwidth allocation scheme
I added a detailed treatment of the bandwidth allocation scheme using information from patent number 7075946. --KJRehberg 16:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Please someone add what XM radio is
What XM radio is is the experience of listening to it, of having the 120 channels to listen to.

It appears to me that the contributors to the article so far felt that everything about XM radio was important to include, except what it is.

If anyone happens to subscribe to this service and would like to describe what it is -- so that someone reading the article will actually have some idea of what the article is about -- I am sure that future readers of the article will be immeasurably grateful.

It's so much more fun to know what an article is about than to read megabytes of information without a clue to what the information applies to.Daqu 02:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

 * That type of description is rather subjective. While I agree that there's no point in getting satellite radio if not for the quality and quantity of material, this article aims to describe not only the service itself but the company behind the name and all appropriate aspects of the brand name.  Just boiling it all down to "XM is what it is due to the experience of listening to it" simply doesn't cut it. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 03:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

 * WP:NPOV mandates that WE NOT described "what it is" via some subjective listener experiential description. David Spalding ( ☎   ✉   ✍  ) 22:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I never intended the description I requested to be subjective. But if you don't think that an encyclopedia article should describe its topic, then you and I must have totally different concepts of what an encyclopedia is.Daqu 00:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * How on earth does the article not describe what the subject is about? I'm completely failing to see this. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 01:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Effect on channels by merger with Sirius?
Probably not relevant for the article, but I'm SOOOOO happy to hear Sirius and XM will merge. I just bought an Acura which has an XM-compat radio. My Yamaha home receiver is XM-ready. I never subscribed as I really, really want NPR. Has anyone found reliable sources of info on the proposed effect on channel lineup that the merger proposes? TIA, David Spalding ( ☎   ✉   ✍  ) 22:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I've seen nothing regarding proposed lineups, but the company chiefs are promising that content will be combined into a unique lineup (link), though apparently a possibility exists for both systems being playable on existing radios (link), though this is dependent on a theoretical firmware update. I'd guess it'll be several more months before such lineup information becomes available, and even then, probably would not be wise to include it here until firm data exists. -- Huntster  T • @ • C 22:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

XM-Sirus Merger
The PR reference is of feb. 07, not Dec. 07 to 08... i think it may be outdated, can anyone update this possiable FCC leagal debacle confermation for merger? -67.160.127.140 (talk) 07:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

 * See reply at Talk:Sirius Satellite Radio. -- Huntster  T • @ • C 12:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"too long" tag
I removed the tag that had been added regarding length of this article as the readable prose is 22K - well with guidelines. See WP:SIZE. I see no discussion here of the article's size. Tvoz / talk 18:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Customer Service
This description of customer care is debatable, equally positive ratings could be sourced, and serves no purpose but to disparage XM and should be removed.Sresendez (talk) 16:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)sresendez

 * As I thought I (or someone else) told you ten days ago, you are welcome to locate such material--carefully applying the standards of WP:V, WP:N, WP:NOR, and WP:RS--and propose it be added to the article. Thank you, BTW, for not attempting to delete material with which you disagree, as you did a while back! — Uncl</b><b style="color:darkred">eBubba</b> ( T @ C ) 16:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Because you were correct about the sourcing of this information, I have re-written the section and re-posted it.

I'm disappointed you didn't mention the sourcing issue to me before you hoisted it up the flagpole. Regardless, that's certainly your prerogative. I caution you, though, that you really need to get in the habit of talking to other editors, which involves more than just repeating the same argument, over and over again.

As I've mentioned before--and in other places--I encourage you to post properly cited information to the article that refutes the complaints. That's what makes the article better. — <b style="color:black">Uncl</b><b style="color:darkred">eBubba</b> ( T @ C ) 23:26, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Map your territory
Is it possible to map your coverage for subscribers, as I have traveled several places here in the U.S. and find that coverage is weak or non existent. I recently went to Aruba and thought I could get coverage there as well, but no luck. Just map your coverage as changes happen from weak to strong, and in the U.S. if that is the only broadcasting you offer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpowestphilly (talk • contribs) 15:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

How to edit the price increase since 2011
"Monthly packages start at US$12.95/month with add-on "family" radios at US$8.99/month."

The price has increased to US$14.49/month for basic in 2011. As the article was outdated, I was wondering if I should replace the misguiding price with the correct one, or keep the old price and write a sentence with the new price.

Rohin12345 (talk) 23:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hothouse

Hothouse or Hot House or Hot house may refer to:

 * A heated greenhouse

Music

 * Hot House (composition), a jazz standard written by Tadd Dameron

Albums

 * Hot House (Walter Bishop Jr. album), 1979
 * Hot House (Gary Burton and Chick Corea album), 2012
 * Hot House (Bruce Hornsby album), 1995
 * Hot House (Steve Lacy album), 1991
 * Hot House (Arturo Sandoval album), 1998

Songs

 * Hothouse (78violet song), 2013
 * Hothouse (Collette song), 1989
 * Hot House (The Sound song), 1982

Fiction, drama, poetry

 * Hothouse (audio drama), a 2009 Doctor Who audio play
 * Hothouse (novel), a 1962 fantasy/science fiction novel by Brian Aldiss
 * The Hothouse, a 1958 play by Harold Pinter
 * Hothouses, a book of poetry by Maurice Maeterlinck
 * Hothouse (Transformers), a fictional character

Television

 * Hothouse (TV series), a 1988 American television series
 * The Hothouse, a 2003 British television series
 * The Hothouse, a 2007 New Zealand television series

Other

 * Hothouse, Georgia, a community in the United States
 * HotHouse (jazz club), a defunct jazz club in Chicago
 * Hot House (British band), a British soul band formed in 1987 featuring Heather Small
 * Hot House Entertainment, a gay pornography studio
 * HotHouse Theatre, an Australian theatre company in Albury-Wodonga

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Talk:Display Data Channel

DDC/CI
some monitors can have settings ajusted via ddc afaik, like brightness, or trigger a degausing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.73.99.22 (talk • contribs)
 * You're right. I added a "DDC/CI" section. --Heron 09:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Disabling DDC/CI is not relevant
Is that section really needed in an article about displays standards? Instructions on how to fix problems with computers should not be part of an encyclopaedia. In my opinion, it should be either removed or rewritten to something like DDC/CI Operating System support, explaining problems that may appear if the standard is not supported by a monitor. Elideb (talk) 14:09, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

DDC Address and octet read
how the first octet read is a1h if the slave address is always 0x50 is not intuitive. Either elaborate or remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.112.22 (talk) 00:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

 * On the I2C bus, the first byte of a transaction consists of the 7 address bits, transmitted MSB first, followed by the read/write bit (R=1, W=0). So the byte is made up by (addr << 1) + 1, or 2*addr+1, which is 2*0x50+1 in this case, resulting in 0xA1.

 * However, I agree this sentence should be removed. The information is completely irrelevant.
 * --79.238.111.98 (talk) 17:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

DDC2B unidirectional?
"DDC2B is unidirectional and allows only one bus master - the graphics adapter." How is that possible? If it truly was unidirectional and the graphics adapter is the bus master, how is the EDID getting from the display to the graphics adapter? Am I misunderstanding bidirectionality in this context? Samorost1 (talk) 16:10, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

ClickMonitorDDC
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Repositories Mentioning it:
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 * a github with reference to the project's website URL (not the project's code repository): https://github.com/chrismah/ClickMonitorDDC7.2
 * a rehost github for zipped executables: https://github.com/nubix/ClickmonitorDDC

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Bethany, Louisiana and Texas

Bethany is an unincorporated community in Caddo Parish, Louisiana and Panola County, Texas United States, on U.S. Route 79. The Caddo Parish portion of the community is part of the Shreveport – Bossier City metropolitan area.

History
Bethany was founded in 1840. It was named after the Bethany Church.

Geography
The northern part of Bethany is located in Caddo Parish. The southern portion is in northeastern Panola County, some 22 mi northeast of Carthage.

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Talk:Classic hits

Lists of Artists
The consensus on the classic rock page was that lists of artists within a genre are marginally useful at best and subject to considerable POV criticism. Accordingly I've removed the list of artists added by the most recent anon for that reason -- since Classic Hits is essentially a hybrid format anyway one can get a pretty good idea of what kind of music the format plays from related genres (which is why I originally wrote it into Classic Rock to begin with). Haikupoet 22:03, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Classic Hits vs. Adult Hits
I'm not sure why someone would think there's no meaningful difference. "Adult Hits" (I was under the impression that "Variety Hits" was the accepted term for the format) shares much of the same playlist, but also plays more contemporary material, and (this is most important) has no DJs. Classic Hits is limited in time to roughly the same period as Classic rock but with a wider selection of genres, and generally has DJs. I'd say there's a significant difference that boils down to the period of time covered by the playlist, if nothing else. Haikupoet 18:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * For what it's worth, the majority of the articles that link here are using the term "classic hits" as being synonymous with adult hits or Jack FM. And no, adult hits stations are not necessarily DJ-free; some are, true, but it's not a defining condition of the format. There are lots of adult hits stations that still have jocks. Bearcat 19:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Also, the inappropriately-capitalized form Classic Hits exists as a redirect to adult hits, not as a redirect to here. Bearcat 04:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Not any more, I'm happy to say. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

 * There's no similarity. Adult hits stations play a lot of classics but the ones I know about definitely lean more contemporary. I defy anyone to say heavy metal music and rap music can be found on a true classic hits station. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The whole premise of this article is wrong
The term "classic hits" is now simply the updated term for "oldies". It is not based on classic rock with some pop and R&B thrown in as stated in the article. The format is executed in as many ways as there are "classic hits" stations. While the oldies format has evolved over the years, so has every other format; A.C. stations don't focus so much on Diamond and Streisand any more, alternative stations hardly ever play The Smiths or Siouxsie & the Banshees these days, and oldies stations no longer play almost anything from the 1950's. The fact is "classic hits" is just a more demo-friendly way of saying "oldies" to potential advertisers. It's the same format. This article needs to be totally re-written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.31.187 (talk) 05:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Globalize/USA tag
The first result on a Google.com search for the phrase "Classic Hits" is a station in New Zealand. The top ten hits also include sites in the UK and Australia. As it stands, the article seems to completely ignore anywhere outside the USA, despite the fact that the classic hits format is now very popular in many countries. 86.132.138.205 16:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's really oldies
I should have brought it up here before such a major change, but a lot of oldies stations have started calling themselves classic hits. It's not really a format change. The music mix is the same, but some of the oldest songs are gone and newer songs have been added. One could argue many of the stations are still oldies, but people here (in articles) and on other sites have identified them as classic hits. I discussed this on another site; some stations that call themselves "classic hits" are really classic rock but more adult than the hard-rocking stations. I don't like the term and feel the stations should be categorized as oldies, but they don't want to use the term. My changes reflect the fact that the format can refer to either type. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

This page needs a cleanup
I agree with the postings in the talk pages and have a few more thoughts:

1) The term "Classic Hits" have changed meanings over the past 20 years. Classic Hits could represent stations that are softer Classic Rock, or stations that have evolved from Oldies to playing mostly late 70's and 80's music.  The more common use of the term now is the latter, with major stations like WCBS-FM New York, or KRTH Los Angeles in this format. BDS monitors (Billboard) publishes a panel of stations in this format as a reference.  In addition it's accepted in the radio industry that the term "Oldies" generally means songs from the 50's, 60's and early 70's, whereas Classic Hits is mostly 80's with some late 70's and a few early 90's.  A good example of this is KONO in San Antonio.  KONO-FM plays "Classic Hits" where KONO-AM is programmed as an traditional Oldies station.

2) This is huge mainstream format. Nielsen called this the "format of the summer 2018."  The music from the 80's is still extremely strong and has even showed growth in the 25-54 demo.  Nielsen article.  So as far as the strength of this format in the United States, it performed better than Classic Rock as recently as the summer of 2018.  What's also surprising is that Millennials are listening to this format at levels that are actually increasing over the past several years.  Many factors can be attributed to the increase, but this is a new development for the format as this was not the case with oldies stations in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Millennials flip to Classic Hits  This format is big, I would argue that it should not be deleted, instead re-worked as it's own page.

3) Classic Hits and Adult Hits are different formats, with some overlap. The biggest difference is Classic Hits stations are spinning their powers are many as 28 times a week with much tighter rotations than Adult Hits.  In addition 80's music represents the majority of the most played songs on  Classic Hits stations, where Adult Hits stations are now playing more 90's, 2000's and 2010's rock, rock/alternative and pop acts mixed in.  The focus on Adult Hits is variety, where the focus on Classic Hits is 80's.  Adult Hits stations can have up to 2000 songs in their library which is common, where Classic Hits play a much tighter list.  For example KRTH plays under 250 songs in their regular playlist according to BDS and Mediabase.

4) This format has songs and artists that are unique to the format. Madonna, George Michael, Michael Jackson, Prince and other superstars are not generally no longer played on AC/Hot AC stations. AC has gone much more current intensive with new artists. These artists are now owned by the Classic Hits format and should be mentioned in this article. This should be a major portion of the article since this format owns these artists at this point in time.

I agree with the comment above at the whole article needs to be rewritten. Not sure how to go about doing that.

UPDATE: I incorporated these thoughts and did a rewrite of the page with many sources and citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.61.184.2 (talk) 12:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

POV
"I was the Program Director. (Jason Roberts)" This ought to be a red flag for POV and original research. Doug Ewell (talk) 18:04, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

70's artists not playing
I wonder if that portion of the article on the MOR artists from the 70's that this format is not being needs to be deleted. I don't think it makes sense to include what's NOT being played, you could make the list endless. I think it does not fit the tone and style of the rest of the article. I move to delete. Ncostides (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Removing music definition additions on September 21, 2021
Removed this portion of the article. Reason: There are explanations that don't really make sense in content to the rest of the article. Many of the artists cited below were not core artists to either Oldies or Classic Hits formats. This is going into a pinpoint rabbit hole where the main article is meant be broad.

Among the artists most commonly excluded from classic hits stations are teen idols and singers (often women) whose music had an already-dated sound or were MOR staples in their time, including:

 * All members of the Osmond family (including the Osmond Brothers, Donny Osmond's 1970s and late 1980s solos and Donny and Marie duets)
 * Paul Anka and Odia Coates
 * Cher
 * Barbra Streisand
 * Helen Reddy
 * Dr. Hook
 * Alice Cooper's ballads that do not fit in the classic rock format

Despite most radio stations in the United States containing the more-popular artists in a repetition cycle, only a couple (both commercial and community) radio stations in the United States contain classic songs by either more rarer or former (not as popular than the list) artists that appeared on the charts from decades prior and never appeared on the more modern classic hits playlists.

During that reason, classic hits radio stations in Europe had a more expanded playlist due to its different charting in former decades. The songs on the stations in Europe play were very different rather than classic hits stations either in the United States, Canada, or Australia. Unlike them, European Classic Hits stations had a mix of various types of Classic Hits such as the normal and rhythmic formats.

Songs from the mid- to late 1970s which had an influence on the MTV generation from artists such as Queen, Foreigner, Elton John, and the Bee Gees are still featured on many of these stations as the oldest part of the library. Additionally, stations have started to play songs from the 1990s and 2000s that have appeal to this audience such as "Linger" by The Cranberries and Uncle Kracker's version of "Drift Away", along with later releases by artists that were successful in the 1980s, such as U2 and Michael Jackson.

In turn, a classic hits approach still centered in the 1970s and late 1960s is known as "gold" classic hits to distinguish it from the increasingly 1980s-influenced classic hits format, and from oldies stations still centered in the 1960s.

Removed out of context section.
The paragraph below is out of context. The format in question below is related to Urban Gold and part of the Urban formats. It belongs in the Urban page as a splinter. This article is about mainstream classic hits.

Rhythmic classic hits
In the late 2010s, a further modernization of the format focusing on pop, rhythmic, and dance hits from the 1990s and 2000s began to emerge, with examples such as Edmonton's CKPW-FM (which initially branded as Power 107 in reference to a heritage CHR station that once operated in the market, but was forced to rebrand as Play 107 after trademark disputes with said station's owner), which promoted acts such as the Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, NSYNC, and Rihanna as core artists (while also featuring some CHR recurrents), and WKAF in Boston (which was more rhythmic-based, and included occasional songs from the 1980s, closer-resembling rhythmic oldies). Harvard Broadcasting and iHeartMedia both used the term "rhythmic classic hits" to refer to this format.

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Lima Duarte, Minas Gerais

Lima Duarte is a municipality in the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil. It has a population of 16,724 inhabitants (2020) and a total area of 848 km2 and lies at an elevation of 860 m in the foothills of the Mantiqueira Mountains. It was given city status in 1881.

It is 330 km from the state capital, Belo Horizonte, and is part of the Zona da Mata, a region whose economic and cultural center is Juiz de Fora. It is connected with this city by highway BR-267.

Ibitipoca state park is situated within the municipality about 25 km from the city center.

Average maximum temperature: 28 C; Average minimum temperature: 10 C

Most of the municipality is drained by the Paraíba do Sul River. The most important river is the Rio do Peixe, a tributary of the Paraibuna.

The name of the city has no connection to the famous Brazilian actor Lima Duarte, but was in homage to Conselheiro José Rodrigues de Lima Duarte, political leader from Barbacena, who in the nineteenth century was Minister of the Navy and a Senator of the Empire.

The city's economy is mainly based on tourism and the dairy industry.

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