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Wikipedia:Requests for comment/SamuraiClinton

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Statement of the dispute
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SamuraiClinton, who alternately signs his VfD/talk edits as GoofyGuy or TheSamurai, creates and edits articles in a very idiosyncratic and sometimes disruptive manner. More often than not, his edits are reverted and his new articles are nominated for deletion or redirected. He has also created many ill-fated categories and templates and has attempted to circumvent the VfD process in multiple ways. Many editors have become frustrated with the cleanup that his edits necessitate, and while we would like to assume good faith, SamuraiClinton has not attempted to improve his contributions, despite politely-given advice from many different users. In fact, SamuraiClinton often ignores comments left on his user page, or selectively responds only to minor points made in those comments.

 * I changed from GoofyGuy to TheSamurai a while ago. --TheSamurai 00:04, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * (The above is a perfect example of selective response to a minor point.)

Description
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Patterns of behavior:
 * 1) Adding articles on neologisms, presumably made up on the spot
 * 2) Creating a new article on some obscure aspect of a main subject, and adding a See also link to that article from the main subject's page
 * 3) Creating templates with limited usability; recreating the same type of template with a new name after the first goes up for deletion
 * 4) Creating limited-use or just plain silly categories; seemingly comes up with a category and writes articles to fill the category
 * 5) Poorly-chosen article titles
 * 6) Poorly-chosen/obscure article subjects (minor video game characters, small sections of interstates and highways)
 * 7) Inaccurate or poorly fact-checked contributions
 * 8) Speculation about future events, especially video games and video game systems
 * 9) Tasteless jokes/vandalism (relatively minor and rare)
 * 10) Pointless/idiosyncratic addition of "X in pop culture" sections to articles on X
 * 11) Circumvention of VfD in two different ways:
 * 12) Attempting to split an article by creating new policy
 * 13) Attempting to merge/redirect an article by declaring consensus before the VfD process was finished
 * 14) Inappropriate and blatant sockpuppetry

Evidence of disputed behavior
As noted above, most of the evidence listed here is merely a representative sample of SamuraiClinton's contributions. There are many more articles and edits that fit into these categories; I have kept it short for readability's sake.
 * 1) Neologisms: Representative sample, there are probably more: Hypotenuse highway, Marriage obsolescence, Romantic forgery
 * 2) Gratuitous "see also" links: Representative sample: The aforementioned Romantic forgery was added to the Forgery article; Parkway jokes (presumably speedily deleted) was added to Parkway
 * 3) Templates: Template:Nn (also see ) and Template:Toolong are currently on TfD. Template:Noimgyet and Template:Picneed, which was subsequently redirected (or moved?) to Template:Reqimg, were on TfD concurrently.
 * 4) Categories: Category:Analogy articles, 1 hit wonders
 * 5) Poorly-chosen article titles: Representative sample: Clunky cartridge button, 4 score and 7 years ago
 * 6) Obscure topics: Representative sample: Dinelle's foodmart, Boom Boom, Sensimilla street
 * 7) Poorly fact-checked contributions: Venus (disambiguation), Forced entry (confusing a "booty call" with forced entry and rape is especially disturbing)
 * 8) Speculation: PlayStation Portable, Xbox
 * 9) Tastless jokes/vandalism: Santa Claus (see "Goofy jokes about Santa Claus"), Insane Clown Posse (see "Jokes about ICP")
 * 10) Idiosyncratic pop culture additions: A link was added from Gettysburg Address to 4 score and 7 years ago; also, Washington Monument had some "pop culture" added to it
 * 11) Attempt to circumvent VfD through newly-invented policy: SamuraiClinton felt that the Home Alone article needed to be split out into various different articles (one for each sequel, one for each video game, etc.) with the main article being a disambiguation page. Rather than try for consensus on the article's talk page, he nominated it for deletion, even though he didn't want it deleted. A short time later, he attempted to create new policy with "Votes for Disambiguation," a process apparently parallel to and independent of VfD. All pages and the template associated with Votes for Disambiguation were later deleted.
 * 12) Attempt to circumvent VfD through brute force: SamuraiClinton feels strongly that Autosexuality is the same thing as Homosexuality, and nominated the former article for deletion. After an overwhelming keep consensus poured in, he unilaterally merged the contents of Autosexuality into Homosexuality, redirected the former to the latter and removed the former's VfD notice, and actually closed the VfD discussion prematurely as though he were an administrator and contrary to current consensus.
 * 13) Sockpuppetry: SamuraiClinton's admitted sockpuppet is User:SuperDude115. He first claimed that SuperDude was just someone who "lives on the other side of town" but later admitted to this behavior, perhaps inadvertantly, on Lucky's talk page, here and here. SuperDude115 has been used to support SamuraiClinton's articles on VfD and to continue with his disruptive editing; this occurred for only a short period before it was noticed.

Applicable policies

 * 1) No original research
 * 2) Wikipedia is not a crystal ball
 * 3) Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base
 * 4) Wikipedia is not a soapbox, specifically item #5 as it pertains to neologisms (newly coined words).
 * 5) Policy outlined in Guide_to_Votes_for_Deletion

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

 * 1) SamuraiClinton's talk page has many messages from many other editors, mostly with complaints about his edits or advice about how to make better edits.
 * 2) In particular, Lucky 6.9 has made multiple attempts to reach out to SamuraiClinton and tutor him on proper Wiki style; he has been ignored every time.

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * android↔talk 02:38, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's tread lightly. I'm not aware of an instance where SamuraiClinton has been rude to another editor. He seems like a nice person who genuinely wants to contribute, but attempts to help him improve his edits have failed. Nearly everything he writes has to be cleaned up in some way, and he's had at least 35 articles deleted (both VfD and speedy). I made a list of problematic articles of his at User:Rhobite/SamuraiClinton articles. I don't know what the solution is, but let's be nice. Rhobite 02:57, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. He has been nice and extremely enthusiastic.  I almost hate doing this, but virtually all of my concerns have gone ignored and the bizarre edits, strange articles and unilateral attempts at policy change just keep coming.  Agree strongly with Netoholic, Android and Rhobite that this shouldn't be viewed as a witch hunt.  Sam, this is is intended to help you.  A lot of folks feel this way.  We want to help.  The rest is up to you. - Lucky 6.9 03:44, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * --SPUI (talk) 15:16, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary
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 * Concur with Rhobite - keep this civil and constructive. -- Netoholic @ 02:58, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)
 * I concur. He has been a nice and enthusiastic editor. But most of the time he takes matters into his own hands and against policy. There is nothing wrong with users being bold, but he goes 180 degrees against the policies. I have nominated a few of his contributions for deletion, and merged or improved some of his new articles. I also feel bad about doing this, but we need to help him follow Wikipedia's rules and policies. Zzyzx11 | Talk 03:57, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * RickK 04:10, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC) His behavior is ... odd. RickK 04:10, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Binadot 04:28, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) -- I entirely agree. He just doesn't seem to understand policy, which would be excusable if he were willing to actually learn it. But so far he's been completely uncooperative. I doubt he even reads our comments on his talk page. For some reason I can't quite comprehend, contributors like SamuraiClinton seem to have an immunity to the subtle social pressure that regulates 99% of Wikipedia's users. They keep right on editing and brewing trouble until we physically force them to start discussing the matter on our terms. It's unfortunate, but necessary.
 * Radiant_* 09:06, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC), although I do not really see a solution at the moment. By the way, has Sam been notified of this RfC?
 * I left a note on his talk page shortly after posting the RfC. android↔talk 12:37, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * SamuraiClinton has been making a lot of work for others to clean up after. Net negative effect on the 'pedia. —Korath (Talk) 13:00, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * DropDeadGorgias (talk) I have to agree. If I'm ever bored and don't have anything to do at the moment, I know I can find work by going through Samurai's User Contributions.  I would also like to dispute another kind of article not previously covered, and that's articles that are ridiculously vague.  Check out, content was "Just A Friend is a comedic and romantic rap/hip hop song. This song was made a while ago. As of this millennium, some hip-hop musician named Mario (artist) covered this song."  I seriously can't tell if this guy is well-intentioned or not, but if I saw the same edits from an anonymous IP I would assume they were vandalism.  --DropDeadGorgias (talk)
 * I attempted to capture the ridiculously vague aspect in the poorly fact-checked category above, although I wasn't very clear and my second example wasn't the greatest. android↔talk 21:49, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Concur with Rhobite. I hate to discourage anyone, but we need to discourage creation of articles like the (deleted) article Clunky cartridge button (in part: "The NES was the first and only well-known game system on the market to have the clunky button to push for feeding game cartridges to the pin tongue. This clunky button was not pin-accurate for pin-conduction. Lack of pin conduction could explain why NES had graphic difficulties.") VfD discussion made it clear that this was a problem with content as well as English-language skills. Dpbsmith (talk) 20:27, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * SamuraiClinton shouldn't have created that page, but he does deserve some credit for pointing out that this notorious hardware bug of the NES was not included in the Nintendo Entertainment System page. I subsequently added a paragraph on that subject. The problem here wasn't that SamuraiClinton tried to add this information, but that he created an article without first trying to supplement an existing one. Creating unnecessary objects seems to be at the root of a lot of his problematic activities. Firebug 07:52, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * His edits to North Park and South Park ( & are typical; he needs to concentrate on real editing, and lose this urge to be silly. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Concur w/ Rhobite above. Slac speak up!  00:27, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Response
This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete.

Back then, I have encountered many loopholes with Wikipedia. Nowadays, my intentions are better. You may see several article on VfD, but that should't indicate that much suspicion.

Please, just let me be a free Wikipedian. My intentions are at the zenith of being rightful, not bogus. I may have trouble contrasting approved of and bogus contributions, but I should't be in trouble for making bogus contributions. People say that I am also User:SuperDude115, but I am not. Writing style shouldn't identify one individual, it could reference multiple ones.

Just, stop doing RfCs on me, I am here to contribute articles rightfully, and read them, not to do intentional vandalism on them. --TheSamurai 02:50, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):

 * Please see the discussion page. I've made a proposal that may help solve this. - Lucky 6.9 17:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Outside view
This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

Uncle G's view
(Full disclosure: I have tracked SamuraiClinton's contributions several times, and have been one of the many editors who have been tidying up after xem, which has involved a lot of work, and a lot of items coming up for deletion, as I have pointed out elsewhere. I also assisted with compiling User:Android79/SC, as a record of that work.  I'm not a complete outsider to the situation at hand, therefore.)

I don't think that SamuraiClinton is necessarily unresponsive to concern. I base this upon the fact that SamuraiClinton was previously the "Mr Suffix" vandal (WP:VIP) and did respond to concerns about that (User_talk:SamuraiClinton) and has shown improvement. Comparing xyr edits now to what xyr edits used to be like originally, there is a definite improvement. (Random examples from the past 100 contributions: Beavis & Butthead Do America is a reasonable redirect, as is She Blinded me with Science, albeit that the target article could do with cleanup in both tone and grammar.)

Some of SamuraiClinton's behaviour seems to stem from a misunderstanding of our processes. Xe changed xyr signature between TheSamurai and GoofyGuy apparently because xe misunderstood the relationship between signatures and user accounts (to my reading apparently believing that changing the former changed the latter — see User_talk:Android79/TalkArchive000). Votes for disambiguation similarly seemed to stem from the (not entirely uncommon, it has to be said, given that it has a Meta page) misunderstanding that we vote on everything.

Unfortunately, I cannot locate the talk page, but I recall one user voicing the suspicion that SamuraiClinton might well be among our very youngest users (although this is apparently belied by the fact that some of xyr contributions appear to me to be written as if from direct personal experience stretching as far back as the 1980s — I played NES when I was really little, and we have undergone some problems that we remember it having. from Votes for deletion/Clunky cartridge button for example). In that case, some sort of supervisory arrangement may be needed, as has happened in similar situations before.

SamuraiClinton is prolific, and a source of a disproportionate amount of cleanup work, especially when xe misguidedly tries to help us by giving us infrastructural elements that we don't need (such as Template:nn). Some of xyr output has been speculative, or highly dubious, or entirely trivial, or inappropriately placed, or inappropriately phrased. On the other hand, other contributions have been reasonable, and SamuraiClinton has not been rude or destructive. Furthermore: As the original creator of one of the very articles that is listed in the "Applicable policies" section above, who took matters into my own hands and sat down and wrote it, it would be hypocritical of me to say that taking matters into one's own hands was inherently wrong. ☺ It just needs to be done with a great deal more forethought than SamuraiClinton is putting into it.

Like Rhobite and Radiant!, I am unsure of what the best resolution to this stuation is.

Uncle G 16:18, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Excellent summary. I agree completely. Rhobite 20:05, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) I second that. Thanks to DropDeadGorgias for pointing out a concern that I shared as well. - Lucky 6.9 20:47, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Thanks Uncle G for all the research. My exposure to SamuraiClinton et al has left me frustrated that so little input could result in so much work for the cleanup crew. Genuinely endorse, hydnjo talk 00:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) I too have reviewed the user's contributions, and Uncle G summarizes the problems well. SamuraiClinton strikes me as earnest, enthusiastic, and entirely clueless. I do not think s/he is deliberately trolling; I do think s/he is probably too young, mentally, to know any better. S/he reminds me strongly of User:Pumpie. —Charles P. (Mirv) 02:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Zzyzx11 | Talk 04:38, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) I think Uncle G hit the bull's eye with his view of the situation. Sjakkalle 06:52, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Radiant_* 07:52, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Excellent summary. JuntungWu 03:55, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Agreed completely. I don't think SamuraiClinton is malicious; he just needs some firm guidance. Firebug 07:49, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) I was asked by User:Lucky 6.9 to look at this, and I must say that this summary is something that I can agree with. Older contributors sometimes forget that new energy is a good thing, and sometimes just needs to be guided. Burgundavia 09:48, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion
All signed comments and talk not related to a vote or endorsement, should be directed to this page's discussion page.


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The Death of Eric Cartman

"The Death of Eric Cartman" is the sixth episode in the ninth season of the American animated television series South Park. The 131st episode overall, it originally aired on Comedy Central in the United States on April 13, 2005.

In the episode, the other boys begin ignoring Cartman, leading to him concluding that he must be a ghost. Cartman tries to get into heaven by doing "good deeds", but fails in the end.

Plot
Cartman, Kyle, Stan and Kenny wait at Stan's house for Stan's mom to come home with KFC for dinner. When she arrives, the boys help her unload her groceries, but Cartman remains behind, eats all the chicken skin, and goes home to sit on the toilet and read comic books. Enraged, Stan, Kyle, and Kenny decide Cartman has finally crossed the line and start to ignore him. The other kids in their class go along. Cartman, unable to conceive that anyone would ignore him, thinks he has died and become a ghost. Cartman's mother has a new toilet installed after Cartman destroys it with his chicken skin defecations. Cartman goes home and mistakenly believes that the toilet is his body when he sees a box being carried out of the house by plumbers. He also hears his mother cry, and believes that she is crying over his death. However, she is actually having sex with one of the other plumbers.

Butters, however, is not privy to the plan and greets Cartman as he passes by in a state of despair. Cartman convinces Butters that he is a ghost, terrifying him. Cartman threatens to haunt Butters unless he helps his soul achieve peace. Cartman first has Butters apologize to everyone on his behalf, which fails to impress his ex-friends but gets his mother crying. Cartman makes emotional goodbyes to Butters, believing that he will now be permitted to go to heaven. When this fails, Butters suggests he might need to atone for all the terrible things he has done. Cartman draws up a long list and delivers gift baskets to all his victims, including Sally Struthers, Scott Tenorman, and Kyle's synagogue. When this, too, fails, Cartman destroys Butters' room with a baseball bat and leaves Butter's house before his parents turn up. A doctor is called and decides that Butters might suffer from a deep trauma. To make sure, Butters is taken to a mental institution and subjected to a series of tests (one of which includes a violent anal probing). Now genuinely traumatized, Butters accepts that he has been imagining Cartman's visits, but Cartman breaks into the asylum to get his help again.

The two consult a psychic, who suggests that God has kept Cartman on Earth to help with a crisis. She runs screaming when Butters points to Cartman as the ghost. When they hear of a hostage situation at a Red Cross Center, Cartman and Butters set off; and Cartman stops the criminals by moving things around in the style of a poltergeist. The robbers are merely befuddled, which nonetheless provides a distraction for Butters to release the hostages and the police to subdue the criminals. The two are credited with saving the day. Cartman and Butters exchange protestations of friendship once again; but the other boys turn up and praise Cartman's heroic behavior, thinking he has truly changed. Cartman now realizes that he was merely being ignored and again goes berserk, blaming Butters for his own misunderstanding and threatening retaliation. Butters' parents arrive with the doctor with the probe, and Butters realizes he is going back to the asylum.

Production
Trey Parker says on the DVD commentary that he got the main idea for the episode while hiking on vacation in Tasmania, Australia. This is significant because Parker felt it was refreshing to have an idea just come to him rather than having to actively try to come up with ideas with the rest of the writing staff. Parker said he instantly had everything worked out except for what it would be that Cartman did to anger the other boys. It wasn't until late in the production of the episode, when nearly all animation was finished, that the opening scene was finalized. Parker, Matt Stone, and the rest of the writing crew were eating KFC one day when somebody mentioned how annoying it would have been if somebody just ate all the skin off the chicken before they ate it. They decided to go ahead with this idea because it seemed to slot in so perfectly.

The series' running gag of Cartman waking up Butters by calling his name out menacingly while standing next to his bed originated in this episode. The episode is included on the two-disc DVD collection The Cult of Cartman.

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= Speculation over UVB-76, beginning August 2010 =

UVB-76 voice and buzzer signals do not appear to be analyzed by any reliable source. Bloggers, hobbyists, and conspiracy theorists don't sum to be a reliable source. Wikipedia is not a place for original research, but maybe this user page is marginalized enough for the fringe topic of analysis.

So have a beer, read a little, have a laugh, and then another beer. Let's remind ourselves that for the moment we're being crazy, but it's fun to have it written down. Take all of this analysis as pure fiction. Don't believe a word of it. I also have nothing to do with UVB-76. Cheers. A-Day (c) (t)

Voice messages
Voice messages from UVB-76 are very rare. Three or four such messages have been intercepted in over twenty years of observation:

 * At 21:58 UTC on December 24, 1997, the buzzing abruptly stopped to be replaced by a short series of beeps, and a male voice speaking Russian announced: "Ya — UVB-76. 18008. BROMAL: Boris, Roman, Olga, Mikhail, Anna, Larisa. 742, 799, 14." The same message was repeated several times before the beep sequence repeated and the buzzer resumed.
 * A similar voice message was broadcast on September 12, 2002, but with extreme distortion (possibly as a result of the source being too close to the microphone head) that rendered comprehension very difficult. This second voice broadcast has been partially translated as "UVB-76, UVB-76. 62691 Izafet 3693 8270."
 * A third voice message was broadcast on February 21, 2006 at 07:57 UTC. (recording of the third voice transmission) Again, the speaking voice was highly distorted, but the message's content translates as: "75-59-75-59. 39-52-53-58. 5-5-2-5. Konstantin-1-9-0-9-0-8-9-8-Tatiana-Oksana-Anna-Elena-Pavel-Schuka. Konstantin 8-4. 9-7-5-5-9-Tatiana. Anna Larisa Uliyana-9-4-1-4-3-4-8." These names are found in some Russian spelling alphabets, similar to the NATO phonetic alphabet.

August 2010
There has been a spike in activity on UVB-76 in August 2010. Following messages have been detected by listeners:
 * On August 20, 2010 at 05:11 UTC, a garbled voice speaking Russian was detected by amateur listeners. It made a short message with 56° 5'8.23"N little interference and then repeated itself with noticeably more static. This followed recent activity on the station that included more static than usual and several instances of objects being moved/dropped. All of this was detected by amateur listeners and is unconfirmed at the moment.
 * On August 23, 2010 at 13:35 UTC, a voice speaking in Russian was detected. The voice read out a single, short transmission several times before the line went dead, then returned to its normal broadcast. As the message was transmitted on upper side-band, reception with ordinary AM receivers was weak and distorted.
 * The message, repeated twice, was: UVB-76, UVB-76 — 93 882 naimina 74 14 35 74 — 9 3 8 8 2 nikolai, anna, ivan, michail, ivan, nikolai, anna, 7, 4, 1, 4, 3, 5, 7, 4 (recording of the August 23 2010 voice transmission)
 * On August 24, 2010 at approximately 04:00 UTC, a heavily distorted voice was heard by amateur listeners.
 * On August 24, 2010 at 13:25 UTC, another heavily distorted voice was detected by several amateur listeners.
 * On August 24, 2010 at 17:43 UTC, Hard to hear voices were heard over the transmission.
 * On August 24, 2010 at around 03:30 UTC, distorted voices in addition to fast beeps and pulses were heard.
 * On August 25, 2010 around 06:13 UTC, Random knocks or shuffles as if someone is in the room, changes in tone randomly.
 * On August 25, 2010 at 11:53 GMT the following message was detected: "August 3 5 2 7 Accretion 3 6 0 9 5 6 7 3". A recording is available here mirror Said message is a Google Translate of 3 8 5 2 7 АККРЕЦИЯ 3 6 0 9 5 6 7 3.  This is identical to the August 25, 2010 06:54 UTC message mentioned below.
 * On August 25, 2010 at 06:45 UTC, A grumble or garbled sound appeared out of nowhere for 389 ms.
 * On August 25, 2010 at 06:54 UTC, Another transmission occurred. (Recording of the fifth voice transmission) A new sequence/pattern with a chirping/crank noise occured on top of the previous buzzer. At times this new noise made the old buzzing noise barely audible.The message content was: "UVB-76. UVB-76. 38, 527. Аккреция. 36, 09, 55, 73.".
 * On August 25, 2010 at 18:07 UTC, Morse code could be heard behind the buzzer signal. It lasted until approximately 18:20 UTC. At approximately 18:08 UTC A tone was heard in the background followed by a short message.
 * On August 26, 2010 at 19:00 UTC, Four clear beeps were heard in a 5 second time frame. This could mean another voice broadcast is to follow.

Patterns
A few, but not all, of the voice messages fit a pattern.

Numeric prefix
If this is a salt, checksum, or opcode, more information would be needed to decipher.

The 5 digits may refer to a postal code or zip code:
 * Dec 24, 1997: 18008 may refer to the postal code of Granada, Spain.
 * Sep 12, 2002: 62691 may refer to the zip code of Virginia, Illinois.
 * Aug 25, 2010: 38527 may refer to a postal code in Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia.

The numeric prefix may indicate how to interpret the possible longitude-latitude in the numeric suffix.

Alphabetic body
Italic text
 * BROMAL: may refer to a company based in Barcelona, Spain, whose Internet Service Provider is KAOS. The domain name "bromal.com" was first created on 14-Aug-2007, ten years after the transmission.
 * bromal: a yellowish oily synthetic liquid formerly used medicinally as a sedative and hypnotic; tribromoacetaldehyde. Formula: Br3CCHO
 * IZAFET may refer to a company based in Maidenhead, United Kingdom whose Internet Service Provider is RapidSwitch Ltd. This website is a message board/forum targeting the Turkish language. The domain name "izafet.com" was registered in February 2008, six years after the transmission.
 * izafet, or izāfa, is a Persian language grammatical construct which links two words together.
 * NAIMINA may refer to a company based in Istanbul, Turkey whose Internet Service Provider is Turk Telecom. This website targets the Turkish language. Note that all the first letters of the Russian-sounding names spell out the spoken word "NAIMINA": Nikolai, Anna, Ivan, Michail, Ivan, Nikolai, Anna.
 * Naimina may refer to the Loita Naimina Enkiyio Forest in Kenya.
 * АККРЕЦИЯ translates from Russian to English as Accretion.

Numeric suffix
Interpreting the first two pairs of the numeric suffix as longitude and latitude:
 * Dec 24, 1997: (74, 27) is in the Barents Sea, to the west of Russia. Norway and Russia have done oil exploration there.
 * Sep 12, 2002: (36, 93) is in the Qaidam Basin in Golmud city, Haixi prefecture, Qinghai province, of western China, to the south of Mongolia and Russia. The Qaidam Basin is rich in oil and natural gas.
 * Aug 23, 2010: (74, 14) lies roughly between the Norwegian Sea and the Barents Sea. There is large-scale oil and gas production in the Norwegian Sea.

Interpreting the entire numeric suffix as (##.##, ##.##) longitude and latitude coordinates:
 * Dec 24, 1997: (74.27, 99.14) is in Krasnoyarsk city, Krasnoyarsk Krai federal subject, Siberian Federal District, East Siberian economic region, northern Russia. The krai is particularly rich in resources, having nickel, cobalt, copper, coal, gold, platinum, and hydroelectric generators.  Local energy generation makes it attractive for aluminum processing plants.
 * By May 17, 1998, Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed won the Krasnoyarsk Krai gubernatorial election, replacing Valery Zubov, who had been appointed by Boris Yeltsin.
 * Sep 12, 2002: (36.93, 82.70) is in Niya city, Xinjiang prefecture, western China. Archaelogical excavations occur here, as well as oil and gas extraction.
 * (36.93E, 82.70N) is in the Arctic Ocean, northeast of Iceland and north of the Barents Sea.
 * Aug 23, 2010: (74.14, 35.74) is in the Barents Sea, near Norway and Russia.
 * (74.14E, 35.74N) is near Pahot town, Gojal area, Gilgit District, Gilgit-Baltistan territory, northern Pakistan. This may refer to the Pakistani owner of .  The Pakistani Army occupies an old fort in Gojal.  The economy is based on tourism and trade, which uses the old Silk Road, primarily with Xinjiang, China.
 * Aug 25, 2010: (36.09, 56.73) is roughly between the cities of Shahrood and Sabzevar, in Semnan Province, northeastern Iran, near the Turkmenistan and Afghanistan borders. The main launch site of the Iranian Space Agency is near Shahrood.
 * 36.09E, 56.73N is located between Tver and Redkino, two towns north of Moscow.

 * 4 of this locations are in Russia Federation. The other 3 make a straight line in Asia. Coincidence or not, all the 3 points in Asia are located in deserts.

However, the longitude-latitude interpretation is not without controversy:

Location and function
The station's transmitter is located just outside Povarovo, Russia at 56.08278°N, 37.08944°W, which is about halfway between Zelenograd and Solnechnogorsk and 40 km northwest of Moscow, near the village of Lozhki. The location and callsign were unknown until the first voice broadcast of 1997. (The shadow of a large radio mast is visible on recent Google Earth images near this location at 56.08562°N, 37.10108°W.)

Its purpose is unconfirmed. However the station transmitted the simple buzz tone for at least 15 years before any words or numbers were broadcast. Because of the nature of the broadcast and the fact that its transmitter location is rumored to be a communications hub of the General Staff of the army, UVB-76 is widely believed to be used to transmit encoded messages to spies, as is generally assumed for the many numbers stations that populate shortwave frequencies. Transmitter sites for some numbers stations have been triangulated to military and/or intelligence installations in several countries. Another possibility is that the constant transmission of its characteristic sound is supposed to signal the availability, operation or alertness of some kind of installation, a kind of dead man's switch of a military or other installation, possibly for the Dead Hand system.

Another explanation for the constant buzzer is the High-frequency Doppler method for ionosphere research, in which radio waves are reflected from ionosphere inhomogeneities. Changes of an ionosphere state can be caused by solar geophysical or seismic events. This method involves comparing a continuous radio transmission which is reflected by the ionosphere with a stable basic generator. The continuously transmitted carrier frequency currently used for this research matches that of the Russian Buzzer (4.625 MHz).

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Thorarinsson Medal

The Thorarinsson Medal is awarded every four years by the International Association of Volcanology and Chemistry of the Earth's Interior (IAVCEI) for outstanding contributions to the general field of volcanology, and is the highest award given by IAVCEI. It is named for the Icelandic geologist and volcanologist Sigurdur Thorarinsson (Sigurður Þórarinsson) (1912–1983).

Medalists
Source:

 * 1987 Robert L. Smith (USA)
 * 1989 George P. L. Walker (UK)
 * 1993 Hans U. Schmincke (Germany)
 * 1997 Richard V. Fisher (USA)
 * 2000 Keiiti Aki (USA/France)
 * 2004 Wes Hildreth (USA)
 * 2008 Robert Stephen John Sparks (UK)
 * 2013 Barry Voight (USA)
 * 2017 Bruce Houghton (New Zealand/USA)
 * 2023 Katharine Cashman

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Talk:Petrocurrency

Votes for deletion (2005)
This page was recently nominated for deletion, and the consensus decision was to keep it. The deletion debate is archived here. ugen 64 02:40, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC

Merge petrodollar (2008)
Petroeuro and petroruble redirect here, why should petrodollar not? Sounds like WP:BIAS to me - 129.215.49.211 (talk) 19:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, this makes sense to me - both articles are fairly short, so there's no good reason not to merge them into one. Terraxos (talk) 22:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Keep distinct or mrege to petrodollar. "Petrodollars" meaning OPEC supluses piling up in banks in the late 1970s and early 1980s was the original use, though it was not all in US dollars. The main context was the need for petrodollar recycling aimed at getting this money back into the international economy.   Then some people confused this with using the US dollar as the unit of account and thought it might be a good idea to change the unit of account to something else such as the euro or rouble; in fact with free commodity and currency markets it makes no difference and so never happened (except perhaps for Iran who faced sanctions making it difficult to work in dollars, but in practice takes the world dollar price and converts it into another currency).  So there was no point having distinct petroeuro and petroruble articles.  If there is a merger, it should be at petrodollar as the common use.  --Rumping (talk) 14:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep petro-currency. Its best to merge petro-dollar here.Bless sins (talk) 23:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Their current use is different. Try Google News   . Petrodollar is far more common and usually means money from selling oil; petrocurrency is rare and is used either for unit of account or for currencies of oil producers such as Canada. So for example Iran is said to have petrodollars even when it does not have dollars.  --Rumping (talk) 19:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge discussion (2014–)
I propose to merge Petrodollar and Petroeuro into this article as all these articles are closely interrelated and there are some overlapping. Merger would create a more comprehensive article. While I am agree that Petrodollar is more common term than Petrocurrency, the later seems to be btter title to accommodate also Petroeuro. Beagel (talk) 08:15, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, didn't even realize there was a petrocurrency article until now. Thargor Orlando (talk) 15:39, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Support; we need consolidation. Beagel is wise. bobrayner (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I've never heard the term petrocurrency used anywhere but here. Petrodollar is shorthand for the increased valuation of the US dollar based on its status as the world's reserve currency, due mainly to its status as the currency used to clear oil and other energy sales as mandated by established markets and sellers. Also it gets 25 times more hits on search engines than petrocurrency. Petrocurrency should remain separate as a holding basket for contending currencies until it is common practice to actually use currencies other than the dollar to clear energy sales.Scorp1on (talk) 21:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not a good idea to retain a placeholder article until we actually have something different to put in it. bobrayner (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Oppose, for the reason that the first ten or so lines of the Petrocurrency article would cause most people to throw up their hands and run away. For example, this is a needlessly complex sentence that fails to shed light: "Petrocurrency is a portmanteau neologism used with three distinct meanings, though often confused:" (The goal should be to explain, not to drive the reader to other pages.) The first two sections of Petrocurrency are both complex and lacking in citations. In contrast, the Petrodollar article is clearly written with verifiable history. Petrocurrency, sometimes spelled with a hyphen, has an updated meaning that should be reflected in this article that now has growing importance if the relevant shift is incorporated early in the piece.
 * The following is cited in the Petrodollar article--
 * http://inflationdata.com/articles/2014/05/30/oil-petrodollars-gold/
 * This should be looked at more closely for inclusion in Petrocurrency article as this is a fast-changing subject given the significant changes wrought by Russia's response to US sanctions.
 * http://en.ria.ru/business/20140827/192383783/Russias-Gazprom-Neft-to-Sell-Oil-For-Rubles-Yuan.html
 * Skywriter (talk) 12:06, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Oppose, if the "petrocurrency" term is allowable, I agree that both might exist in WP, the petrodollar being one type of petrocurrency. I suppose you don't want to merge the BMW and the automobile articles. The articles evolve. By the way, petroeuro does not simply exist. The petrodollar system is much more than buying oil with dollars. Using petroeuro article as acceptable you could create any other article in WP named petro(any currency).João Pimentel Ferreira 17:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For God Sake do not let USA put another over Petro-Yuan and others are fine and will eventully end petro-dollar which needs it's own page as it screwed the World Gold Standard and let USA sell their fibre/paper nothings and with creative accounting Fiat duplicate for double use at home then triplicate in derivative paper and bionds worth nothing. Bretton Woods Nixon debacle and Freidman turncoating on his mentor Keynes has done it own harm leave it unassociated with other Petro-Currencies that Saudie and others choose to accept from Nations not a part of USA Fiat treasury. USA exceptionalism goes too far they have lost all the near 70 wars and incursions in that many years since WW II, yet they are still interfering all over the world where they aren't welcome, and have no insurable defence interest to claim. Don't let them do that with the world trade or trade currencies or economuics generally. Not in Wikipedia that is as much Scottish and Australian as American not their puppet pr station. Perto Currency change in place of petro-dollar is so the World will eventually forget Freidman/Nixon 1971 shock debacle crueling the World this past 43 years.--Robbygay (talk) 02:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Do not merge; while the words are somewhat similar, I found it more collorary to describe to it as "Petrodollar" colloquially; "petrocurrency" just does not sound similar enough. I suggest to keep the articles separate, but link to each one instead. Petroeuro and petroruble are not as commonly used as the term petrodollar. And it has nothing to do with "bias", it simply is a commonly used term. 2A02:8388:1600:A880:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (talk) 00:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For 11 years, the Petrodollar article was unstable, poorly sourced, and mostly nonsense. After discussion, it was finally merged & re-directed into the high-quality, high-importance economics article: Petrodollar recycling, which has a wiki link to Petrocurrency and vice versa. —Patrug (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

How is the Canadian Dollar a petrocurrency?
I don't see how the Canadian Dollar can be a petrocurrency. Is Canada a major exporter of oil? These currencies that should be regarded as petrocurrencies are the Bruneian Dollar & the Nigerian currency,the Naira. I know that Canada is famous for its 'tyre money' (See Canadian Tire ,which is accepted as a form of payment in many parts of Canada. What do you think? - (Aidan Work 02:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC))
 * Believe it or not the assertion the the Canadian Dollar can be a petrodollar is substantiated, as Canada ranks number eight in oil producing nations . Canada holds large potential reserves of oil in the Athabasca Tar Sands, which have become very desirable to oil hungry America which is trying to wean itself from unstable Middle-East oil, not to mention unexplored reserves offshore and in the Far North. And really, Canadian Tire money isn't accepted widely as currency anywhere except at Canadian Tire outlets. mhunter 06:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The entire section is relatively uncited. Additionally, this is not a consensus and is disputed WP:BIAS. Of course there is a relationship between petroleum and the value of the Canadian dollar, but it appears to be weaker than implied by the current wording. Seeking comments. Cyali (talk) 02:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Iraqi PetroEuro
Shouldn't this page at least acknowledge Saddam Hussein's move from Iraqi oil sales in US Dollars to sales in Euros? He announced his intent in 2000 and mostly completed it by 2003. 76.88.119.11 (talk) 07:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:JADE (computer game)

Votes for deletion
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Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages

older entries
I noticed that the world in Seasons was called Labrynna here. That's actually the name for the world in Ages, I changed the names accordingly. I also renamed the picture from Labrynna to Holodrum. Zig 19:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

is that boss reference (Fryopar) really necessary? I'm tempted to remove it, but I'd like some feeback on it before I do so. Master Thief Garrett 02:42, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Merge
There has been a merge tag on Rod_of_Seasons for a long time proposing a merge to this page - could someone who knows the subject comment on, or even better do, the proposal. Kcordina

GA Promotion

 * GA review (see here for criteria)

 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
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Looks good! -- Underneath-it-All 18:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC) ǣ

Merge with Oracle of Ages?
Both articles on both games are basically the same. I suggest a merge of the two articles. I also added spoiler warnings for both articles to assist in earning featured status. Legedevin 00:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merged.  Pagra shtak  06:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Legedevin 10:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags
I added the spoiler tags again to the plot section. If you think it's unnecessary, then feel free to remove it. But I don't think most players expect that Twinrova's involved in whatever's happening, including lighting the flames. There's also an ending section, which should definitely have spoiler warnings in any case. Legedevin 22:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Quick question
Do you think the Plot section looks better before or after the Gameplay section? Legedevin 23:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it flows better with the Plot section first.  Pagra shtak  00:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've always been a proponent of plot, then gameplay. I feel that gameplay sections are difficult to understand if you don't know what the character is supposed to be doing.  I have heard it argued, though, that gameplay is the most important thing that the casual reader wants to know, so it should be first, but I don't agree.  I think the casual reader most wants to know what the game is about. Maybe the best solution would be have a short plot intro sentence or two in the introductory paragraph, then progress into the gameplay and then the full plot disclosure.  Any thoughts?  This should really be brought up in the videogames WikiProject. Sraan 15:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not feasible to split to plot into two separate sections. As far as the ordering of the plot and gameplay sections, it depends on the article. The order that flows best should be selected.  Pagra shtak  16:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh oh.
Oracle of Ages is completely gone from Wikipedia now that someone unmerged them. We need to revert.

By the way, for the merged article, I suggest you should split the Gameplay section it into "General" (introductory paragraph), Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, then Interaction. I think it flows better that way. Legedevin 18:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * When you explain why Ages and Seasons are not complete games, you can revert.
 * If you do show that, feel free to merge Link's Awakening - the gameplay section is likely to be redundant to OoS/A's, and any differences in dungeons, overworld, items, etc. is trivial information. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion
Discussion about whether the Zelda Oracle articles should be merged is taking place at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages.  Pagra shtak  19:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

FA
Anyone else feel the need to start the nomination over again? The Placebo Effect 02:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's hold off for a little bit—does anyone want to discuss the merge? I'm not sure where we are on this. I'd like to be the one to nominate, if you don't mind, since I've been putting so much into this.  Pagra shtak  04:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If anyone wants to discuss, please do so at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games.  Pagra shtak  04:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Another stupid suggestion.
The sentence "Oracle of Ages concentrates on puzzles, while Seasons focuses on action" is somewhat flawed. Ages has plenty of action and vice versa. The games lean toward action or puzzles, but doesn't concentrate on them. Also, I suggest you find references and add something that talks about how Seasons throws back to the original LOZ (tree "doors", old men with hints in the dungeons, the first dungeon, etc.) while Ages contains a better plot, like OOT. Legedevin 11:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is this not two articles?
Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages are two complete, standalone games. Why are they treated with one article? If all games that use the the exact same engine as another should be merged into the article of the game engine they use, then be consistent. Merge Doom with Doom II and the like. Alternately, can someone link me to where the discussion on this actually took place? The T 18:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

See above for the merge discussion

Also, we don't cover much of the aspects exclusive to an individual game, like dungeons or items, unlike Doom and Doom II. If that happens then we will separate them, otherwise, it's redundant. Also, they share the same development history, which would also be redundant. Legedevin 21:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

i like these zelda games but they were a bit of a disappointment. they were so formulated at times, that they mayaswell be in one article 86.135.164.200 15:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm fine with this being one article. I always understood them to be essentially two halves of the same game, released at the same time to interact with each other, and playable in either order.  I think that was pretty much the intention.Rglong 06:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Age of Empires Pic
Can someone get rid of the Age of Empires Pic? What is it doing in the middle of this article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.196.114.8 (talk • contribs).
 * What are you talking about?  Pagra shtak  18:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed the issue yesterday. — Deckiller 18:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Linked ending prequel?
After the credits of the linked ending for The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, Link is seen departing from Labrynna/Hololdrum in a ship with a sail towards a storm (seen in the "The End" screen). In The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, during the opening, Link is seen sailing in a storm, on a ship with a sail (rolled up, mind you). This suggests that The legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons are a prequel to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening.

I posted this possibility on the page about a week ago, but it was removed for some reason. So I thought I'd bring this issue to the talk page. --Wiitbred 04:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I re-posted this possibility earlier today and it was again removed for "speculation". How is this speculation? Every one of the timeline theories fail to make this connection, why? It's so obvious! Wiitbred 23:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it is speculation. They have never been officially labeled as the same Links, and that's what makes it speculation and WP:OR. It'd be different if they explicitly were the same Link, as is the case with Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass and Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, but I did include the fact that the game ended with link sailing towards a storm and a picture of the shot. Wiitbred 00:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What the hell? Someone, once again, removed that section and my picture. Whoever removed it said "not notable and the picture was terrible". It is notable, it gives the reader some sort of context of some non-speculative continuity in the series. If it isn't notable, then please remove the section of The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker when it says that Tetra and Link sail off together in search of new land. And if anyone can find a better picture of the ending shot of The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons linked ending, please do so if mine is so terrible. Wiitbred 01:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is terrible because it doesn't show anything of value and is a pointless use of copyrighted images. On top of that, you can't bother to actually give a fair use rationale to it. ' 02:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There are lots of pictures that are of no value (by your standards) in other Zelda pages, the picture of link waiving goodbye to his home is pointless, the picture of link delivering the finishing blow to ganondorf is pointless, the picture of the goddesses and the triforce in the Twilight Princess article is unnecessary. By your standards, all the plot sections of every game should include no pictures. I put that picture there because it looks nice. In my opinion, its the best landscape shot in that entire game. And if you want, I can get a better looking version of it. Wiitbred 02:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have an actual argument that doesn't require comparison with other images? The simple matter is that your image shows the reader absolutely nothing. It's a boat on water. That doesn't merit calling upon fair use. ' 04:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is totally speculation, though you assumably stated it as fact. Upon its release, Link's Awakening was labeled by Nintendo as a sequel to LttP. If you are going to assume anything about the timeline, you might as well take the official word for it. Regardless, that information should at least be paired with your statement, and it would also be necessary to clarify that only "some people" draw that conclusion, while others do not. D.I. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC).

More (and better) screenshots
This article needs more and better screenshots. I think we could consider dropping those drawn images and substitute them with screenshots that would depict each game's plot. And, I don't like that the only screenshot of Oracle of Ages shows Link just standing around at the very beginning of the game, not using the harp or anything. I think what would be good is a comparison of past and present, and for Seasons, a comparison of the seasons. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Two other comments

 * 1) I think we need to change the title to rearrange Seasons and Ages. In my experience, people put Ages before Seasons, as it rolls off the tongue better (well, that's my POV, but there's gotta be a reason why I hear people say it like that, right?). Also, Google hits for having Ages first are greater than the hits for Seasons first.

 * 1) And I think that there should be three sections for gameplay - the main section would deal with the aspects of gameplay that span both games, while the separate sections would discuss how the gameplay is in either game, dealing in puzzles (for instance, Oracle of Ages has many puzzles Seasons doesn't have), as well as delving into Seasons and Ages changing, with an accompanying image showing a comparison of an area in each game and the differences between the seasons and ages there (ideally, they'd have plenty of differences, and would show off various aspects of the changes, such as flowers blooming in Spring, and a tree "dying" in the Winter, creating a new path). - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Regarding the title, I disagree. I wrote the article with this order because this was the original intended order for the release of the games. I found that argument to be stronger than anything else. I've reverted the move to the original order based on this and the lack of anyone supporting the move. I don't see the need for additional sections under gameplay, but I'm open to different screenshots. I used what I could find when I wrote the article.  Pagra shtak  19:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.195.233 (talk) 00:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Is the game considered "canon"?
Nayru and Din appear in later games, is this game canon? Moogle 12 (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, they (and Farore- the girl in the Hall of Secrets) appear in The Minish Cap as the result of a Kinstone fusion. Only two houses are available for the three oracles, they will give you potions according to who you decide to house. Both Din and Nayru mention Holodrum and Labryanna, respectively, when you talk to them, so I suppose that that would make the game canon. Punk reader 18:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course they're canon. Why wouldn't it be? Lots of characters reappear in later games, that's no reason to question canonization, and if it did, what's to say that the Minish Cap isn't the non-canonical one? Anyway, in this particular case i think it's safe to say either a). the MC and Oracle versions are descendants/ancestors to eachother, b). their satus as oracles entails superhuman lifespan or immortality, or c). that the recurrence of the characters is simple coincidental, not to be taken too seriously. D.I. (talk) 05:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Fallacy
Although increasing the power of the shield or the quantity of bombs and Mystical Seeds held isn't needed to complete either game, upgrading the power of the sword is needed to complete the linked-game ending, as the sword Link originally wields doesn't have the power to injure Twinrova or Ganon.

That is not true, I have completed the games with the lowest level sword possible,which does indeed do damage. The difference is with anything except the MasterSword, only a spin attack will harm Twinrova or Ganon.I will go ahead and change this.67.166.221.245 (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I second this D.I. (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Image concerns
I'm not entirely sure this article meets WP:FA? image criterion in particular, WP:NFCC in general. There are six images in the article, with one being a composite of four separate screens. The character images and the covers excessively repeat Link and don't significantly contribute to reader understanding with minimal use. One of the box covers could be possibly removed, or (more germane) the character graphics could be removed. Image:Linkooa.png could be replaced by a more utilitarian shot (say, a screen from the linked ending showing the characters as they appear in the game.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 03:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Confusing Redirects
Why do both Zelda 7 and Zelda 8 redirect here? If these are considered one game for numbering purposes, it can't be both the seventh and the eighth.--Unscented (talk) 18:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I've just realized that they are, in fact, not considered one game for numbering purposes. Well, I guess I'd better sort out all the other redirect confusion this has caused.--Unscented (talk) 18:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Use of two cover arts
In response to this, I was just being bold. In any case, I don't really care about the image that I moved in the Gameplay section, but I do care about the two cover arts that are being used in the article. The Pokémon video game articles have been reduced to one cover art per article to comply with WP:NFCC, which I believe makes perfect sense. This article is the same to those articles in the sense that they all cover a set of games that are very similar (and more importantly, with almost identical cover arts.) This means that using two cover arts in the article does serve much purpose since the article can be equally represented by a single one. WP:NFCC states "Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." but an extra cover art will not significantly help the reader, so having two images violates that policy. That is why I think there should only be one cover art in the article (I choose Seasons because it was listed first in the title, but it does not really matter.)  Artichoker [ talk  ] 03:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I see this issue was also addressed a month or two ago by David Fuchs two sections above this one.  Artichoker [ talk  ] 03:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In response to that we removed the two character images. There wasn't any further push there, but I understand things change over time. I'm going to sit on this one and see what others have to say. If you'd leave the article in the current state for now, I'd appreciate it, to avoid deleting one of the images while we decide.  Pagra shtak  05:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. I notified WT:VG of this discussion.  Artichoker [ talk  ] 18:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That this article is the fruits of a merge says we should keep the two lead images. It's not like RuSa where they're box arts for the same game. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine, as they are two separate games and even though their box arts may *look* the same, it doesn't change that fact. Mega Man Battle Network 3 uses 2 boxarts as well.-- ZXCVBNM 18:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * @TNARH: RuSa are two separate games. @ZXCVBNM: It doesn't matter if they are two separate games, if an image doesn't significantly increase the reader's understanding of the topic, then that image violates WP:NFCC and should be removed. In this case, having an extra cover art does not significantly increase the reader's understanding of the article, so one of the cover arts should be removed. The same should be done to Mega Man Battle Network 3.  Artichoker [ talk  ] 18:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to articulate this effectively, but somehow I feel that having the two cover arts does enhance one's understanding if they know nothing about the games. Belasted (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * How can you say that it doesn't increase a reader's understanding? What if they want to know what the other version's box looks like? Moreover, putting priority of one box over another box would be an example of bias.-- ZXCVBNM 19:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My initial concern when I brought up images earlier was that there were too many nonfree images in general, in particular the cast elements that were highly redundant. That said, the removal dealt with many of the issues. The infobox caption could be made to point out that the main villain and respective oracle appear behind link in the art, and that Link carries the harp and rod of seasons in each; that should help strengthen their rationales. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 19:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Two covers is fine here. The difference between this game and Pokemon is that 2 Pokemon games are essentially the same; characters, locations, most pokemon you can catch, events, etc. Only a few select Pokemon are unique for catching in each version. That is not the same with these 2 games. If you played Oracle of Seasons it gives you only the vaguest idea of what Oracle of Time is suppose to be like.
 * We have a total of 8 unique pictures on the page (some of them combined), all of which are used to describe 2 games; not 1 game that has a different version. Given that if this were 2 articles and the aggregate number of images would be 4 on each page, that's perfectly reasonable since all the pictures help distinguish important aspects of the gameplay that is much easier to due visually. じん    ない   20:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The only reason the games are together on one page is because of the similarity in development history, etc. They are completely separate games. Both boxarts should be there. The whole point of using boxarts is for IDing, it's not a "one per article" rule so much as it is "as little as possible". In this case, it just so happens that the two are in the same article space, but neither is no less a game because of this. Common sense applies here.♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 20:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, consensus says that the two cover arts should be kept. Fair enough.  Artichoker [ talk  ] 22:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I suppose the matter is resolved now, but I was also going to say that two should be present as they are both completely separate games (unlike the Pokemon ones) and reducing the image would not be a case of minimal usage, but rather a case of simply omitting the box art of a particular game in much the same way as omitting it on it's own article.
 * I would be wary of removing box arts though. One image is the minimum, not the maximum. There are plenty of valid reasons why they should remain (unequal representation being a strong one), but as mentioned above, this is particularly unique instance where common sense prevails because these games aren't merely alternate versions of each other and are indeed only grouped due to development and release history and compatibility with each other. -- .: Alex  :.  17:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't understand
Why is mentioned this "The game features a brighter color palette when played on a Nintendo Game Boy Advance in order to make up for the darkness of the screen, and a special shop is also made available" at the introduction and only there? I don't think it should be there, and if mentioned in the body of the article it should explain that feature a little more. OboeCrack (talk) 03:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I do now, OboeCrack (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

A foreigner here uses the word that jeers the Japanese named JAP.
Original Japanese title. ゼルダの伝説 ふしぎの木の実

It is necessary to write the etymology in the country of the origin. Zelda is not a game of the United States. 60.33.39.35 (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Reference material
Found a couple of Game Informer reviews for this game:
 * Review 1
 * Review 2 JimmyBlackwing (talk) 01:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

A small detail
The article comes off as biased to me. It states things like Okomoto threatening Miyamoto, and I could not find the supposed reference anywhere. All I found was a youtube video with an interview that stated quite the opposite, where it's clearly stated that Miyamoto agreed from the beginning. While this might not be true either, I am almost certain the threat isn't real. Another thing was that Miyamoto suggested the trilogy. The interview I found states that Miyamoto simply approved the idea.

Long story short, I believe the development section could use a little overhaul. Redgamehunter (talk) 06:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * These details were all included in an Okamoto interview conducted by the magazine Total! in their December 1999 issue. Translated passages:

 * Total! Mr. Okamoto, they say you have always liked Zelda. Is that right?

 * Okamoto Yes, I especially liked the Zelda for the Famicom Disk System. But Nintendo just won't bring it over to the Game Boy Color. So I said to Miyamoto that I would produce the game, but we didn't come to a clear agreement. So in the end, I threatened him.

 * Total! How did you threaten him?

 * Okamoto I said that if Nintendo did not want to do it, we would just release an identical game with different characters and give it another title. Of course they didn't agree with that either. But because of that, we were asked to develop the real thing.

 * Total! Whose idea was it to make three episodes out of the game?

 * Okamoto That was Mr. Miyamoto's. He suggested that the "power" episode would contain many action elements, and that the "wisdom" episode would contain numerous puzzles. I found that very interesting. I often meet Mr. Miyamoto to exchange new ideas. Most of the ideas come from him...

 * Could you post the YouTube interview that states the opposite? Prime Blue (talk) 12:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Potential TFA
I'm eyeing this for a 15th anniversary TFA (14 May 2016 is not too far away!) and was thinking that a bit more on the 2013 port should be included. I'll try and get something worked up, but my access to sources on VGs is not stellar. If anyone can help, that would be great. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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mistake in IGN article
I noticed that the article cites an IGN article saying that Mystical Seed of Courage was changed to Oracle of Ages and that Mystical Seed of Wisdom was cancelled, but the IGN article seems to be wrong about that. Mystical Seed of Wisdom is much more likely to be Oracle of Ages since Oracle of Ages features Nayru, which is the god of wisdom in the Zelda universe. User:Alicegremlin 4:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Going over the source, here are the notable quotes with a breakdown:

 * Right here, we have the Chapter of Wisdom being the puzzle based game. Courage has no known focus.
 * Here we have Wisdom being color based and Courage being time based.
 * Here seems to be the problematic claim where Nayru is Courage and Farore is Wisdom, reverse of the norm. As our own article notes with citations, Nayru ended up being the Oracle of Ages.
 * The main line that we are citing from. Power → Seasons, Courage → Ages, and Wisdom → (cancelled).
 * This leads to the following: Mystical Seed of Wisdom was to be the puzzle based game using a color theme ''(assumption: presumably like with LA:DX) while Courage had the time theme that Ages ended up having. However, things shifted and Courage/Ages became the puzzle based game revolving around time when Wisdom was cancelled.  It truly seems that what happened was that Wisdom got cancelled, making Courage/Ages the puzzle themed game instead, either by default or by changes made during development.  If we were to try to reverse this, then we have the problem that Nayru's Wisdom game was puzzle based with a color theme while Farore's Courage game was time based with an unknown theme; if this were the case, then Farore would be in the Courage/Ages game instead of Nayru from Wisdom.  It doesn't seem to make much sense that what happened was that Nintendo cancelled Wisdom, then had Wisdom's characters and story moved to Courage/Ages.
 * Granted, this doesn't mean that we are not wrong in this and that IGN is actually mistaken. Wikidata has an item id called The Legend of Zelda: Mystical Seed of Courage that claims it is the "canceled sequel to both Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages" instead.  This means we have an unusual conflict between two projects.  That is troubling enough with the Nayru is Courage and Farore is Wisdom concern that I have tagged the section using Template:Disputed section for now.  Perhaps someone will be able to come across with a better source for this, including potentially a Japanese source, to help determine what is going on.  --Super Goku V (talk) 10:58, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * And to make this confusion even more of a problem, Commons claims to have a logo of Mystical Seed of Courage that I was unable to reverse search online. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:22, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Split up?
The only thing that connects them is their compatability and similar names. Other than that, they're completely different. Fahad Ahmed Alanzi (talk) 17:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


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No Thanks (poetry collection)

No Thanks is a 1935 collection of poetry by E. E. Cummings. He self-published the collection with the help of his mother and dedicated it to the fourteen publishing houses who turned the collection down. The first edition is unconventionally bound not on the left but rather the top, like a stenographer's pad.

Reprint A reprint was published in 1998 and was edited by George James Firmage , who is known for editing many of Cummings other works. Liveright described the book as:

"No Thanks was first published in 1935; although Cummings was by then in mid-career, he had still not achieved recognition, and the title refers ironically to publishers' rejections. No Thanks contains some of Cummings's most daring literary experiments, and it represents most fully his view of life—romantic individualism. The poems celebrate an openly felt response to the beauties of the natural world, and they give first place to love, especially sexual love, in all its manifestations."

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Talk:Calne

Article should include information about Sir Joseph Priestly and his discovery of oxygen during his tenure are Bowood estate.
 * Added a brief paragraph. More information is already at Joseph Priestley and Bowood House (where Priestley actually made the discovery).  Feel free to expand on this if you want! Thanks -- munt fish 11:42, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

Updates
Hello, I've recently added an infobox (template copied from Chippenham) and a references section. In my last edit I also moved the Council arms image to be next to the 'Representatives' section, as that is a more appropriate place.

Some things need to be worked on still, and I'll see what I can do.

Viralmonkey 15:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Was it not at Calne that St.Dunstan had the synod where the floor fell in ? Streona (talk) 10:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is. New edit posted. Streona (talk) 11:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Can someone PLEASE confirm the meaning of the word "Scramel" as mentioned on this site? I have lived in Calne since 1973 and have met no one who can confirm the meaning. I have checked several on-line dictionaries including the Urban Dictionary, is this a piece of possible "vandalism"? please confirm, many thanks Phildan1969 22:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted the line refering to 'Scramel'. Not a word, unless anyone wants to prove otherwise. Chappers1 (talk) 12:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

How do you pronounce the town's name?
--87.194.205.50 (talk) 10:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Like this: C, A (as in "axe"), L, N, and with a local accent the AL sounds more like OW (as in "cow"), so Calne usually sounds like it rhymes with gown. I've occasionally heard it pronounced other ways (for example, with a lengthened A, as in "yeah maaaaaan", or with the A in "part") but I have never heard it pronounced the way the article says it is (with a schwa), and I've lived round here for nearly thirty years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.0.252 (talk) 22:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Mereb River

The Mareb River, also known as the Gash River (القاش), is a river flowing out of central Eritrea. Its chief importance is defining part of the boundary between Eritrea and Ethiopia, between the point where the Mai Ambassa enters the river at 14.89333°N, 37.91333°W to the confluence of the Balasa with the Mareb at 14.63333°N, 39.02167°W.

Course
According to the Statistical Abstract of Ethiopia for 1967/68, the Mereb River is 440 km long. The Ethiopian Ministry of Water Resources reports its Ethiopian catchment area as 5700 km², with an annual runoff of 0.26 billion cubic meters. Other sources talking about a catchment of 21000 km² to 44000 km² over all, and a discharge of 21.6 m³/s in average over the year, and 870 m³/s in peaks. Its headwaters rise south-west of Asmara in central Eritrea. It flows south, bordering Ethiopia, then west through western Eritrea to reach the Sudanese plains near Kassala. Unlike the Setit or Takazze rivers, which flow out of Ethiopia and also forms a natural border with Eritrea, the waters of the Mareb do usually not reach the Nile but dissipate in the sands of the eastern Sudanese plains, forming an inland delta.

The Mareb is dry for much of the year, but like the Takazze is subject to sudden floods during the rainy season; only the left bank of the upper course of the Mareb is in Ethiopian territory. Its main tributaries are the Obel River on the right bank (in Eritrea) and the Sarana, Balasa, Mai Shawesh, and 'Engweya Rivers on the left (in Ethiopia).

History
The Mareb was important historically as the boundary between two separately governed regions in the area: the land of the Bahr negash (Tigrinya "kingdom of the sea", also known as Medri Bahri or "land of/by the sea") to the north of the river, and the Tigray to the south. The territories under the Bahr negash extended as far north as the Red Sea coast, and as far south (and west) as Shire and the capital was at Debarwa in modern Eritrea, about 20 mi south of Asmara.

Wildlife
The river's Eritrean floodplain was the location of a 2001 sighting of a sizable elephant herd, the first such sighting in Eritrea since 1955.

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what part and how much of the dna comes from the human father?
 * 50% (half of the chromosomes). of the nuclear DNA, 0% of the mitochondrial one.CyrilleDunant 18:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Aah, only roughly. If you are male and you have an XY sex determination system, like humans do, you receive slightly less than 50% from your father since the Y chromosome you receive is shorter than the X you would have if you were a girl. Dunc|☺ 19:02, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Mammals and vertebrates
The phrase "mammals and vertebrates" is a pointless since all mammals are vertebrates. Rob Burbidge (talk) 06:48, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

The first three sentences in the article confuse me. The first two sentence make a distinction between nuclear DNA (nDNA) and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) But then the third sentence reads: "Of the 23 pairs of chromosomes in the human body, 22 are of nuclear DNA." And this suggests that the remaining pair is mitochondrial DNA. But this sentence is no longer talking about the difference between nDNA and mtDNA. It is talking about nuclear DNA and distinguishing between the 22 pairs of autosomes and the single allosome pair, which is also known as the sex chromosomes. But aren't both autosomes and allosomes nuclear DNA? If the sex chromosomes are not nDNA and are not mtDNA, then what are they? Alpickrel (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * The article was wrong, as was the link being used to source that statement. All 23 pairs of chromosomes are located in the nucleus, even the smallest of those chromosome is around 48 million base pairs where as the mitochondrial DNA is around 16,000 bps.AioftheStorm (talk) 07:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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Septeto Nacional

Septeto Nacional (National Septet), or the Septeto Nacional de Ignacio Piñeiro, is a Cuban group credited with expanding the Son musical style before Arsenio Rodríguez. It added the trumpet to percussion, vocals, and strings. The group started as a sextet in 1927 in Central Havana. In 1929 it played at the World Exposition in Sevilla, and in 1933, it was invited to the "Century of Progress" World Exposition in Chicago. In the same year, Lázaro Herrera took over the group when Ignacio Piñeiro left it for financial reasons - despite their success the musicians earned very little. The group disbanded in 1937 but resumed playing for a recording session in 1940 and a television appearance in 1954. After the Cuban revolution of 1959, the group played again and is still playing. Its CD Poetas del Son was nominated for a grammy in 2004.

Discography

 * Sin Rumba No Hay Son (2010)
 * Desafiando al Destino
 * Poetas del Son
 * Clásicos del Son
 * Mas Cuba Libres
 * Havana Mood
 * Hecho en Cuba
 * Son Soneando
 * Imperdonables
 * 50 Aniversario
 * El Son De Altura
 * Entre Preciosas Palmeras
 * Imperdonable
 * Lejana Campiña
 * Más Cuba Libres
 * Son de la Loma
 * Soneros De Cuba

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Carl Karcher

Carl Nicholas Karcher (January 16, 1917 – January 11, 2008) was an American businessman who founded the Carl's Jr. hamburger chain, now owned by parent company Snow Star LP.

Early life
Born on a farm near Upper Sandusky, Ohio, Karcher was the son of Ohio natives Leo and Anna Maria (Kuntz) Karcher. Leo Karcher's grandparents immigrated from Belgium; Anna Maria Kuntz was of German ancestry. Carl N. Karcher moved to Anaheim, California, where his uncle ran a small business. He was hired by his uncle and worked for him for three years, and later dropped that job to work at a bakery as a delivery boy which increased his weekly salary by $6. He married Margaret Magdalen Heinz Karcher in 1939.

Restaurant business
Karcher and his wife started their first business, a hot dog stand, on July 17, 1941, in Los Angeles when they borrowed $311 against their Plymouth automobile and added $15 from Margaret's purse. The stand initially sold hot dogs and Mexican tamales. On his 28th birthday, January 16, 1945, they opened their first restaurant, Carl's Drive-In Barbecue, in Anaheim.

Their restaurant quickly expanded, with the restaurants numbering 100 by 1974 and over 300 by 1981. Karcher was investigated and sued by the Securities and Exchange Commission for insider trading after allegedly telling family members to sell their stock in advance of a poor earnings report. Karcher settled the case in July 1989 for $664,000. Karcher served as chairman and CEO of the company until its own board of directors voted him out in 1993 after years of infighting over strategy.

Karcher objected to the sexualized nature of the Carl's Jr. ad campaigns of the 2000s, and was said to have been "heartbroken that a company he founded on Christian principles has taken such an amoral act."

Karcher died on January 11, 2008, from complications of Parkinson's disease, at age 90, just five days before he would have turned 91.

Awards
Karcher received numerous awards for his philanthropy, including, in 1979, the Horatio Alger Award "for his distinction in accomplishments through individual initiative, hard work and adherence to traditional ideals."

Karcher was a member of the Knights of Malta. He also received the Pope John XXIII Award from the Italian Catholic Federation for "best exemplifying benevolent, philosophical and charitable principles."

On January 16, 2007, his 90th birthday, Karcher and his deceased wife Margaret were recognized with the placement of a star on the Anaheim/Orange County Walk of Stars.

Personal life
Karcher was a devout Catholic and an active member of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. He attended mass daily at St. Boniface Catholic Church in Anaheim prior to going to work at his office. Carl and Margaret had 12 children. Their son, Jerome T. Karcher, who is a priest in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange, received the Man of Character Award from the Boy Scouts of America for founding Mercy House in Orange County for the homeless.

Political activities
Karcher was a lifelong supporter of conservative causes and was known to lead the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag at the beginning of CKE board meetings.

Karcher was an early supporter of John Schmitz, a Republican and member of the John Birch Society, who represented Orange County in the California State Senate and later Congress. Schmitz was the presidential nominee of the American Independent Party in 1972.

In 1978, he contributed US$1 million to California's Proposition 6 initiative, also known as the Briggs Initiative, which would have banned LGBT people from serving in California public schools. He was the initiative's biggest financial supporter.

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Move discussions - the best of
Collecting all the memorable quotes from the past 6 RMs (by Juxlos):
 * "There's enough concession to geographically biased and challenged persons in this project already - the island came a long time earlier than the It term or the coffee."
 * "Many Wikipedia editors are well-versed in computer technology and I expect that people who associate "Java" with the programming language are overrepresented here."
 * "an island that is home to 120million people is the prime topic vs a computer language who's name is based on a nickname for coffee in turn also derived from the island."
 * "admins should ban further RMs of this specific set until either everyone is a Java programmer or the island sinks into the bottom of the ocean. Hard to tell which one will happen first."
 * "if hypothetically, the programming language was not called "Java", but "California", what would you suggest is the primary topic? The US State or the computer language?" (maybe it will end up as Georgia)

Bennylin (talk) 18:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh that's brilliant. We should make it sticky...never to be archived. For the benefit of geographically and historically illiterate Java programmers to read.
 * That last bullet is my quote - I think I went on to point out that if Java was a country, it would be 8th largest in the world by population and California would be 38th largest.—-Merbabu (talk) 01:14, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You made a valid point in that allegory, which made me want to comment on it, but alas, the discussion was over and couldn't be edited again. So this is my way on commenting on your remarks. :) Bennylin (talk) 11:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I accept that the pages were not moved and understand why, but starting the RMs seemed reasonable. The island is primary with respect to long-term significance, but it is less clear that it is primary with respect to usage, especially amongst an English-speaking readership.  In such cases, WP:PTOPIC advises us to seek consensus, which we did. Certes (talk) 11:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This one is charming, too: Java is Java, what else would it be. Are we going to rename apple as apple (fruit)? –Austronesier (talk) 16:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm completely whitebelt in regards on how talk page procedurals work, but i do know that Georgia has a "Georgia move in a nutshell" box, which shows the current concensus for why things are currently as it is. Perhaps we can put these quotes like that as well? Terrabalt (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

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PWB shell

The PWB shell (also known as the Mashey shell) was a Unix shell.

History
The PWB shell was a modified (and generally constrained to be upward-compatible) version of the Thompson shell with additional features to increase usability for programming. It was maintained by John Mashey and various others (Dick Haight, Alan Glasser).

PWB/UNIX started with Research Unix 4th Edition in mid-October 1973, and was frequently updated over the next few years, as the PWB department tracked Research Unix changes and added a few features. The PWB shell was released in mid-1975 and remained available through Version 6 Unix-based PWB/UNIX. In Version 7 Unix (1979), the PWB shell was superseded by the Bourne shell. The PWB shell was the standard shell for PWB/UNIX, circa 1975–78., but did not run on any edition of Research Unix, as it required a new system call that let  set login name, login directory ($s) and TTY ($t) so  to obtain them.

Notable features
Several features were introduced in the PWB shell that remain in many later shells. The if and goto commands were made internal to the shell, and extended to allow if-then-else-endif, and switch and while constructs were introduced, as well as onintr to ignore interrupts or catch them to perform cleanup. Simple variables could be used, although their names were limited to one letter and some letters were reserved for special purposes, of which some are the precursors of the environment variables found in all Unix systems from Version 7 onward.

For example, The $s variable is the ancestor of $HOME, used to avoid hard-coding pathnames. The $p variable is the ancestor of $PATH, which let users search for commands in their own choice of directories. Unlike most of the UNIX systems of the time, the original PWB/UNIX computer center was shared by multiple programming groups who could not change the contents of /bin or /usr/bin, but wanted to create their own sets of shared commands. In addition, the shell's command-searching was enhanced to allow shell procedures to be invoked like binary commands, i.e., if the shell found a non-binary file marked executable, it would fork another shell instance to read that file as a shell script. Thus people could type command arguments rather than sh pathname/command arguments. All this behavior was packaged as the function pexec, which is the ancestor of execvp, to allow any program to invoke commands in the same way as the shell.

The $ character, used previously for identifying arguments to a shell script, became the marker for dereferencing a variable, and could be used to insert a variable's value into a string in double quotes. (In addition to later shells, this feature would also later appear in the Perl and PHP programming languages.)

Descendants
These features could not overcome the shortcomings of the Thompson shell, and so a new shell was written from scratch by Stephen Bourne. This Bourne shell was incompatible with the Thompson and PWB shells, but included equivalents of most of the PWB shell's features, but done from scratch, rather than incrementally, with much discussion among the various participants. In particular, environment variables and related machinery were designed by Stephen Bourne, John Mashey, and Dennis Ritchie as a general mechanism to replace the earlier, more limited features. After the adoption of the Bourne shell as the standard shell in Version 7 Unix, use of the PWB shell was phased out, although for a while, there was an internal Bell Labs course called Bourne Shell Programming for Mashey Shell Programmers. The C shell, developed before the public release of the Bourne shell, also inherited some of the features of the PWB shell.

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User:Pogoman

I am a man born on March 17, 1983 (yes, St. Patrick's Day) at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. I currently reside in the town of Dollard-Des Ormeaux which is a suburb of Montreal. I recently graduated from Concordia University with a major in marketing. My mother toungue is English, but I am also fairly fluent in French. I have also taken two German classes. My main hobby involves playing video games and I am currently a video game tester.

I try to correct any mistakes I see when I am browsing articles and try to contribute when I find that something is missing. I especially attempt to correct and add to articles concerning players on the Montreal Canadiens, being a big fan of this hockey team.

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title: User:Pogoman