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Need some help!
Ok, wow, this article needs help. I wrote most of the original article and added all the cites, which link to documents on my Scribd account, and someone has done a LOT of adding to it. Most of what is added is unnecessary material, just facts from the case that are being presented here but are not encyclopedic at all. They should be for someone to read in the court testimony if they so choose. Someone please help me remove? jlcoving ( talk ) 21:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: I reverted back to one of my last previous edits, I have no problem adding some of the information from the court documents, guys, but please do it along the Wikipedia guidelines. We can't just add every interesting fact of the case; people can follow the cites themselves and read if they would like to. That is what the cites are for. jlcoving  ( talk ) 21:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Research is harder and slower than tagging what you don't understand
Re: the 'Living Person Bio' tag above:  This case is hardly new. But this article is not improving- It's going backwards, reflecting the general ignorance noted by outsiders in America & among Americans. There's nothin remotely libellous possible here- the guy got life for the one thing he's notable for. Now- Would it be simpler to ignore any cultural mess which Pickard's case represents and not tangle with any difficult balance? Maybe it'd just be best for Wikipedia (WP) Editors to use only 'official' corporate/government sources.

Except the difficulty here is *not* due to the failings of editors who contribute reports and research to the article. The perceived problems with the article stem from disturbances in our culture. Unlike slicker, more popular WP articles which can arrive largely imported, from other reference works, packaged corporate/government PR, or which attract a lot of interest and lots and lots of smart and clever Editors- This article lacks any such Class privilege.

So to address the long list of complaints which follow: Give yourselves a break- This will be a slow, hard article. You 'could' try to do some research, but that means getting involved with Pickard- an oddball criminal. Worse it offers a complete lack of Drive-By Edits.

As the nature of political systems under the New world order (NWO) increasingly distorts info on state matters such as "enemies", few centralized, in-depth articles have ever been developed on Pickard- only ONE in the national press (RollingStone), and nothing comprehensive. There have been small bios published & lotsa attention around the case- but the man had a "checkered past"- one he's consistently obscured. His infamous LSD court case is curious for reasons of its own- Problems equally exist in the official "facts". For instance a central prosecution point remains unclear. The 'verifiable' published estimates on the quantity were absurd. I have yet to locate any evidence that the prosecution knew the quantity of LSD involved, latterly using the term "more than 10 gms". I believe it was reported that this case led to some investigation of the FBI evidence lab. Pickard's prosecutors have elsewhere been repeatedly embarrassed. Many such references remain out there. But they are not anywhere well cataloged. And then- all the Editor can do is report the diverse sources, confused as they frequently appear.

 OTOH- Should we revert bold reports because they are confused, unattributed, not yet perfected? For every editor who works gradually to develop more complete pictures of the unfamiliar, removing every "controversial" (ie., unpopular and/or unsourced) bit of info before it can be verified will tend to move unfamiliar articles "2-steps back". Removing obscure data is "Drive-by editing" at its worst. It tends to produce forgetting- and further ignorance.

Embracing the strange, difficult and the novel keeps us informed. The State though is served by our simply continuing to point out simple, obvious issues, demanding deletions on grounds of blind ideology. There is an alternative: Don't demolish the house while it's still being built. Better and more productive is to research- to build and to validate- and to create a consensus of informed readership.  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O.v 09:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Easy on the LSD there buddy --92.202.113.186 (talk) 10:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

 * you got some real weak shit there, faceless.
 *  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O. 21:31, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Needs to be rewritten
This article reads like it was written by his defense attorney. And I say that as someone that completely disagrees with our so-called "war on drugs".

I suggest rewriting it so that it focuses more on known concrete facts. Then include a section that discusses the controversy, giving arguments from both sides.

The way it is written now, the article has very little credibility. Even I, who thinks that all drugs should be legalized and thinks the "war on drugs" is a load of crap, looks at this article with a very skeptical mindset, because the article is so obviously biased to one side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.60.87 (talk) 07:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

 * AND this post reads like Prosecutors invented it. You give no indication of any familiarity with reporting on the case- Only frequent references to your (s'pozedly irrelevant) prejudices. Why?
 * There's more than prejudice at work though- there's a reward. That the feds altered LSD-quantity numbers between the arraignment & the indictment at the Pickard trial is a tacit admission that the original allegations were way off- by at least one magnitude. Speculative? The Feds arent talking, but matters since show this case is not a shining moment for "justice". A "skeptical mindset" would serve us all rather well when dealing with larger problems where our simple position is a liability. Throughout history, the alternatives have been dangerously naive.  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O.v 10:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

if anything it should be written in his defense he was given an unfair sentence max he should have gotten should be 20 years at max. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.36.52 (talk) 21:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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There is some stuff on this page that makes no sense at all, like the quote refuting the previous post.

 * I guess even hack prosecutors can't resist ghost-gloating on WP; I can get behind that.
 * Or is it an utter unfamiliarity with the subject that compels that anxiety?
 *  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O. 21:46, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Move material
This is some material taken out of the article. I'm not questioning it's accuracy or value, it just didn't work in its current form. Someone more familiar with the facts should be able to clean it up better. Former Deputy Director, Drug Policy Analysis Program, UCLA; Research Associate, Harvard Medical School, Division on Addictions; Harpel Fellow in Drug Policy, Harvard University Interfaculty Program on Drugs and Addictions; Areas of Interest: "Future and Emerging Drugs", Drug Incidence in the Former Soviet Union, Control of Chemical Weapons Affecting Cognition, Policy Implications of Advances in Drug Design. Peter Grey 8 July 2005 21:26 (UTC)
 * This should be verified and/or re-written with more precise details.
 * After his arrest, a US Government press release alleged that 91 pounds (41 kg) of LSD had been seized in the case. Several newspapers reported this number, but its accuracy is uncertain. however further investigation and government testimony seems to indicate that this number is inaccurate and the real amount may have been as little as one half pound of pure LSD, still enough to manufacture about 10 million individual 20-microgram "hits".
 * Some miscellaneous biographical data, not sure how this should be structured or presented.
 * Pickard is a former student of John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, M.P.P., Regent's College, B.S. Chemistry.
 * These bits seem unencyclopedic.
 * "Refuting the previous posting Pickard states that he does not know the actor Harvey Fierstein, has never hosted raves, was not present at any heroin overdose incident." For more information follow the link to FreePickard.org, and correspondence is invited to William Leonard Pickard at POB 5500, Adelanto, CA 92301

Kilograms?
That should surely be 'grams', shouldn't it? I have a hard time imagining the North American LSD market is as big as ten million doses a month... 98.193.112.19 (talk) 05:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * it's difficult to make sense of but legal cases are often confusing. MAde that way by prosecutors for political reasons. but Please read the material in full if you hope to contribute. Quantity - and the DEA fantasy of quantity - was only one part of what made this case infamous. Hilarleo (talk) 00:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

 * nah bro these guys where the top dogs in the lsd game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.36.52 (talk) 21:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I can't imagine they were really that professional as is crazy to move the stuff every 2 years - that is way too risky. --93.221.245.236 (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

 * I have the transcripts from every day of Skinner's testimony, transcript of sentencing hearings, and lots of motions and other documents in between and prior to trial. According to testimony, they were producing a kilogram of LSD every 5 weeks. Though the government calculates the value at retail level; the value for the kilo is more around $2.97M, as their largest customers (which is most of their customers, since they aren't exactly selling vials) paid a mere $.29/dose. jlcoving  ( talk ) 01:42, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: Quantities and Other Info
I've done a fair amount of reading on this trial, and as it was reported in the Topeka Capitol Journal, Pickard and Apperson were charged with :

'Topeka Capitol Times' "A federal court jury in Topeka convicted Apperson and Pickard of conspiracy and possession of LSD with intent to distribute more than 10 grams. Each faces a minimum of 10 years in prison and a maximum of life without parole."

Regarding the numbers that the DEA reported to Congress, what I've read suggested that the DEA added up the weights of all the chemicals found at the site and listed that quantity as the quantity of LSD-proper that they discovered. I have no verifiable sources on that though. Considering the huge quantity of Ergotamine Tartrate (the incredibly difficult to procure main precursor chemical to LSD) that these guys were in possession of (40 kilograms according to the trial discovery information) I don't doubt that they were in a position to make many tens of millions of doses (or more). However, the details of the case suggest to me that Pickard was trying to disassociate himself with Skinner (the DEA's informant) and the LSD lab was moved to Skinner's missle silo site without Pickard's approval, and when Pickard and Apperson were busted, they had just finished packing up the lab and were in the process of trying to move it away from the silo site. There are a number of odd aspects to this case. For example, it seems Skinner turned informant for no apparent reason 'freepickard.org - Unusual Aspects'.

Regarding whether the North American LSD market is as big as ten million doses a month, I don't doubt that it may be somewhere in the several million dose range, but if you get into the details of this particular case, you'll find that much of the LSD that these guys were creating went to Europe. They received payment in Dutch guilders that they laundered at casinos.

The freepickard.org website has links to all the local news coverage of the trial, and there are some very interesting bits of information in those articles. freepickard.org

WhenPantsAttack (talk) 20:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What happened, according to testimony, is that Pickard was out of the country; Apperson was in the hospital or some such. The lab was supposedly flooded with water running over wires running around the place and in "horrible" condition according to Skinner. Skinner calls Pickard, tells him there is an "emergency" and Pickard gets very angry and tells him not to do anything. Skinner calls people he knows, including his father, and has them move the lab into a different building on the property. Apperson shows up a day or so afterwards asking to see the lab. Skinner lies and says it is in Tulsa, OK because he knew Apperson needed to get back to the west coast shortly and hoped he would give up on seeing it due to the distance of the drive. The truth was the ET and other lab materials were in the living quarters of the Atlas E base.
 * So he tells Apperson the materials are near this facility called the "Looking Glass Facility". They go there and Apperson is about to jump the fence to verify it's there, but Skinner once again lies and says the NSA runs this facility and there are cameras everywhere and it would probably be best not to draw attention to themselves. Skinner, knowing how careful both Pickard and Apperson are, knew this would be enough to stop him. Since if it was true, the NSA would investigate the breach and potentially discover the lab. Skinner most DEFINITELY set them up to get arrested and orchestrated the whole thing. Since the property was in his name, he had the authority to let the DEA come in without a warrant to do a "sneak and peek" and then use what they saw to get a proper search warrant. If you read the transcripts completely (I have, it's hundreds of pages but lots of good info if your interested in a topic which is rarely revealed -- high level LSD trafficking/manufacturing) you will see how this Skinner guy is a huge low-life and its obvious he constructed this elaborate story to minimize his involvement in EVERY aspect. jlcoving  ( talk ) 01:59, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

 * I've never seen court transcripts used as "reliable sources" in WP. Especially for a politically volatile biography; But why not? At worst some anti-prohibition agency will support archiving the material online, and we can offer a link on the page.  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O. 21:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Article overview
My main problem with the article isn't a lack of NPOV, but rather a lack of facts. We know very little about Pickard from the article, without even details of his sentence, the circumstances of his life (gee-whiz! was a science guy in early life)... and the article is as written "rather like it was written by Pickard's defense attorney", except that an attorney would have written better and would have created a more logical defense of his client. V. Joe (talk) 12:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Please add any facts directly to the article
 * For Style suggestions you may appeal to WP EDITOR HELP
 * Are WP articles legal documents?
 *  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O. 22:03, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Controversy
I agree that this paragraph is inappropriate for an article on a living person, so I've moved it here. The paragraph, suggested for removal: Within the recreational drug community, Pickard's record is controversial. Alexander Shulgin regarded his former student as having "pulled a Leary"- a reference to Harvard's original 'LSD Guru's quest to democratize the psychedelic drug experience at the expense of life-long notoriety, and some limits to his personal liberty and economic ability. Like Leary in the 1960s and 1970s, Rolling Stone even followed Pickard after the arrest publicity, publishing one article: "The Acid King". 1. Where is the reference for the Shulgin quote? 2. So what if Rolling Stone wrote an article? That is not controversial.Tova Hella (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Controversy - a response

 * The use of WP:Controversy is nuanced. It is not about eliminating all opinion in articles. "Facts" around living persons are frequently changing or in dispute. Thus the subject may be viewed from various POVs to form an overall NPOV. The controversy ban is enforced when material (even verified materials from reliable sources) are manipulated to maliciously slander a living person, especially for some hidden agenda.
 * Rolling_Stone is a reliable source, publishing world-reknowned journalists. The opinions of experts such as Shulgin who are intimately familiar with the laws, processes and advocates of Prohibition, are at least as valid as the opinions of those same Prohibition advocates. While comparing anyone's behavior to that of another person may not always be permitted in a court, it is a standard part of building a NPOV.
 *  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O. 22:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

New work coming
I've been researching this case thoroughly, reading through thousands of pages of court testimony and other sources. I'll be updating it to the best of my ability in the weeks to come. This article could be much more detailed and if anyone is familiar with the subject I'd appreciate the help in re-working it. I think more attention should be paid to Gordon Todd Skinner and his own legal problems and the fact a New Jersey judge previously determined him to be of "very suspicious character and cannot be trusted."jlcoving (talk) 22:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Sucks
This article sucks and is all plagarized from the small number of sources. I think it should be put for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.114.248 (talk) 03:13, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I strongly disagree. The main sources are .pdf documents that are court testimony from one of the main conspirators. The rest CITES sources when information is used. jlcoving  ( talk ) 21:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I also strongly disagree. This is a topic that relates to the history of crime in the United States and regards a novel case with an exotic element (sophisticated clandestine activity) that may be unprecedented. Microswitch (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

LOL! But so curious! All these anonymous haters randomly hissing about this one article. Makes me wonder... if the Security State is sweating it b/c Pickard has some chance of a review?  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O. 22:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Longtime Federal Informant
Wasn't Pickard acknowledged to be a longtime Federal Criminal Informant who cooperated repeatedly with authorities over the decades following other busts?? I believe this is mentioned in the RS article and coverage from Kansas. He also offered to co-operate with the DEA following the silo bust as is reported in the public record, no??? Why not here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.199.243.53 (talk) 19:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * -- More of the same!
 * But to answer the question: Nope. Nope. Nope - and No! - -
 * You got the wrong name! Just one more reason why NPOV articles need writing  Hilar leo  Hey, L.E.O. 23:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Informant
Media reports are inaccurate, given that Pickard in the 1988 case after arrest was denied bond, and completed the entirety of the maximum California state sentence. Details to be posted on Scribe. Similarly, bond was denied in the 2000 case, Pickard pled innocence, went through the longest trial in Kansas history, and has served 10 years of a double life sentence. There was no cooperation, or sentences would have been reduced.

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29.75 cents claim not supported by reference?
"Government informant Skinner testified Petaluma Al and the largest wholesale customers of Pickard paid 29.75¢ (or a little under 30¢) per 100 µg dose, which would put the cost at around $2.97 million for a kilogram of LSD.[2]"

I've read the entirety of the linked transcript, did keyword searches on it locally and on Scribd, and I cannot find these per-dose figures in the transcript. Where are they coming from?

The closest I can find is towards the end around pg112-114, where Skinner says that there was a kilogram of LSD at the lab and also that Petaluma Al was going to pay $300k for an unspecified reason. If that $300k was for the kilogram, then obviously a kilogram cannot be $3m as claimed! And if you multiply it out (1000 * 1,000,000 / 300,000) you get 3333µg/$, and 1/3 of that is 1111µg, which is a lot bigger than 100µg... --Gwern (contribs) 21:01 21 January 2013 (GMT)

 * it's on page 7 HERE. Raquel Baranow (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, that seems right. There's an error, though: Skinner says on pg8 that they didn't sell a kilogram at $2.97m, but $2.975m. I'm going to improve that section with a direct quote and some more specificness about what exactly Skinner was saying. --Gwern (contribs) 22:05 22 January 2013 (GMT)

I apologize, this Talk page wasn't "watched" so I just noticed this discussion today when I noticed an edit mentioning a "Raquel Baranow." I wrote the majority of this article and downloaded the documents off PACER for sharing on my Scribd account; I also write to Leonard every now and then. I can assure almost everything in this article with specifics to the lab and how they did business was cited directly from the court documents. They are voluminous, so I understand if you don't immediately find them. jlcoving ( talk ) 04:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Rolling Stones Reference
Reference #5 is currently a broken scribd link. Can someone get a new link for the same reference?

What is correct birth location?
In 2016, an anonymous edit changed the birth location from Mill Valley, California to DeKalb County, Georgia. Which is the correct location? • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 18:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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Removed external links

 * NeuroSoup article, "Pickard LSD Case: Q & A" (3/2/2008)
 * An interview with Krystle Cole regarding her involvement in the bust (2011)
 * "Getting High on Krystle", a video about the LSD laboratory (2011)
 * This Land Press article focused on Skinner (7/15/2013)

Edits tonight
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Dubious
I don't know who wrote this, but I don't think they ever worked in a lab. A rotavap costs about a hundred bucks at any university surplus store, and a mantle is literally just a heating element wrapped in fiberglass. They look very sciencey, but they are not that expensive or sophisticated. What is this even cited to? I was expecting this sentence to end with "a HPLC" or "a GC-MS" or something -- not random stuff every lab has five of sitting around in the junk cabinet. jp×g🗯 23:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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Alexander Pechtold

Alexander Pechtold (born 16 December 1965) is a retired Dutch politician and art historian. He is a member of Democrats 66.

Pechtold studied Archaeology and History of Dutch Art at Leiden University, and obtained a Master of Arts degree. Pechtold worked as an auctioneer in The Hague from July 1992 until June 1996 and as an Alderman in Leiden from June 1996 until October 2003. Pechtold served as Chairman of the Democrats 66 from 16 November 2002 until 31 March 2005. In September 2003, Pechtold was nominated as the next mayor of Wageningen taking office on 1 October 2003. Pechtold was appointed as Minister without Portfolio for the Interior in the second Balkenende cabinet following a cabinet reshuffle, taking office on 31 March 2005. After Party Leader Boris Dittrich announced he was stepping down, Pechtold announced his candidacy and was elected as his successor on 24 June 2006. The cabinet fell just a year later, and he resigned on 3 July 2006.

For the 2006 general election, Pechtold served as lead candidate and was elected to the House of Representatives, becoming Parliamentary leader on 30 November 2006. For the 2010, 2012 and 2017 general elections, Pechtold served as lead candidate again, and following a successful cabinet formation in 2017 with the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), the Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) and the Christian Union formed the third Rutte cabinet, with Pechtold opting to remain as Parliamentary leader. In October 2018 Pechtold unexpectedly announced his retirement from national politics and stepped down as leader and Parliamentary leader on 10 October 2018.

Early life
Alexander Pechtold was born on 16 December 1965 in Delft in the Dutch province of South Holland. Pechtold and his elder brother Roland Pechtold grew up in the village of Rhoon. He went to a Lyceum in Rotterdam. Pechtold studied art history and archaeology with a specialization in 17th-century painting at Leiden University, obtaining a Bachelor of Arts and a Master of Arts degree in 1996. During that time Pechtold obtained certification as an auctioneer, and worked for the Van Stockum's Veilingen during his studies.

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Pechtold became a member of the Democrats 66 (D66) party in 1989. He was elected as a Municipal councillor in Leiden in 1994, and became an alderman in 1996. On 16 November 2002 he was elected as Chairman of the D66. Pechtold was tasked with reforming the party after its disastrous results in the 2002 general election, and preparing for the upcoming 2003 general election.

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On 1 October 2003, Pechtold was appointed mayor of Wageningen; he remained chairman of the D66.

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Thom de Graaf, the D66 Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Government Reform and Kingdom Relations in the Second Balkenende cabinet, resigned on 23 March 2005 after the introduction of democratically elected mayors had been rejected in the Senate. The proposal was especially important; it had become a symbol of the government reform that the D66 had wanted since the party's creation. Pechtold was asked to succeed him as Minister. Pechtold resigned as chairman and mayor the same day that he took office as the new Minister for Government Reform and Kingdom Relations, on 31 March 2005.

On 29 June 2006 the D66 retracted its support for the Second Balkenende cabinet. The next day, Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende offered the resignation of the full cabinet to Queen Beatrix. Pechtold resigned as Minister for Government Reform and Kingdom Relations on 3 July 2006. His fellow D66 cabinet member Laurens Jan Brinkhorst, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Economic Affairs, resigned on 7 July 2006.

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Pechtold was elected the Leader of the D66 on 24 June 2006 in the leadership election of 2006, defeating Lousewies van der Laan, the party's Parliamentary leader in the House of Representatives. Van der Laan had only a few months earlier succeeded Boris Dittrich, who had resigned as party leader and parliamentary leader in the House of Representatives on 3 February 2006.

In 2007 the parliamentarian press chose Pechtold with 31% of the votes as the "Dutch politician of the year 2007".

For the 2006 general election Pechtold became lead candidate and the Democrats 66 lost three seats and became an opposition party. For the 2010 general election, Pechtold again as lead candidate won ten seats but the Democrats 66 remained an opposition party. With the following 2012 general election, Pechtold again as lead candidate won two seats with the Democrats 66 again remaining an opposition party.

During the fourth Balkenende cabinet administration Pechtold served as government opposition leader. After the 2010 general election, the D66 won seven seats in the House of Representatives which journalists claimed was due to Pechtold's leadership during the fourth Balkenende cabinet time. After the 2010 Dutch cabinet formation, D66 again remained in opposition. In 2012, Pechtold published Henk, Ingrid, & Alexander, which ostensibly aimed to break through the populism that had dominated Dutch politics in the previous decade, "Henk" and "Ingrid" being the generic names proposed by Geert Wilders and other Party for Freedom politicians to represent the average Dutch couple, by engaging everyday people in conversation. The book was panned in de Volkskrant as a "cheap PR-stunt without any value to it."

During a debate with Mark Rutte in 2010, Pechtold championed the cause of social liberalism, noting that the government "needs to offer services where fairness is more important than efficiency, such as education and healthcare," while accusing Rutte of pursuing policies that hurt the most vulnerable in Dutch society.

After the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in July 2014, Pechtold explicitly voiced his support for economic expediency over ethical correctness by stating: "We are a small country, dependent on our exports, and unlike the United States, we cannot always react from our moral high grounds."

In December 2017, it was revealed that Pechtold received an apartment valued at 135,000 euros from Serge Marcoux, a former Canadian ambassador, that was not listed on the gift register of the House of Representatives, with Pechtold justifying the lack of report by saying that he knew Marcoux from outside politics and that the apartment was a private gift which did not fall under the purview of the register.

On 6 October 2018, Pechtold announced his resignation as D66 leader and from the parliament. As chairman of the parliamentary party, Pechtold was succeeded by Rob Jetten on 9 October.

Post-politics
Pechtold retired from active politics at 52 and became active in the public sector as a non-profit director and serves on several state commissions and councils on behalf of the government. In October 2019 Pechtold was appointed as Director-General of the (CBR). From March 23, 2021, Pechtold presents the TV program De Achterkant van het Gelijk for broadcaster BNNVARA on NPO 2. Since April 22, 2021, Pechtold has been the chairman of the Supervisory Board of the Dutch Lottery.

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The Freehold
advert. Nateji77 07:06, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, promo. Megan1967 07:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article appears promotional, not convinced of influence/popularity of website (too obscure for Alexa to hold any data). Average Earthman 09:09, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Robinoke 15:10, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The article is NOT promotional, I took the time to add TWO additional hosts, how can I be promoting TWO competing hosts??? Furthermore I contend that if this article is 'promotional' and should be deleted then so should the Keenspace and Keenspot articles on which it was bloody well based!! And yes I know my comment isn't in your precious format but at this point, having taken the time to add TWO new entries, AND justify BOTH of them I'm very much sick of this entire process. You want to pretend as though Keenspace is the only webcomic host in the world, FINE, fact is there are TWO more that I know of (and if there had been SEVENTEEN that I knew about I would have bloody well added SEVENTEEN!) and I'm trying to convey that reality into the article on webcomics, it is ridiculous for anyone to want to edit that out. As I very clearly stated in my prior explanation, these are ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS, conveying a clear and accurate picture of reality, which is what Wiki in theory is supposed to be doing, requires providing information on ALL the options, not singling out ONE provider, THAT is promotional favoritism of the worst kind, in fact if deletion on the articles I added procedes I'd have to question how much Keen payed to have exclusivity on Wiki's perception of reality!
 * Unsigned comment by 84.9.90.69 (talk · contributions)

 * Keep He has a point but it could be altered to sound less like an ad: "full featured free hosting service for the creative internet community". Robinoke 10:51, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NN webiste per lack of Alexa rank. Radiant_* 12:28, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep for now etu Although this entry is of no interest to me, I have to say that the biggest objection to it is the tone. It sounds like an ad. It should be rewritten from a more objective tone. It needs some sprucing up in the comparison/contrast area, too. Right now, it is too promotional. It needs to be expanded wrt how it compares to other services, who its competitors are, etc. Either that, or it could be subsumed into another entry about webcomics, along with the Keen site entries. 2005.04.08
 * Unsigned comment by Urbansky (talk · contributions)
 * Delete. A free web hosting service that started advertising in 2005--apparently Wikipedia is part of their campaign.  --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 23:06, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Reads like a thinly veiled advert. Not every internet site deserves an article. --NormanEinstein 01:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User:BillyL

I like to have naps... I'll add more later. User_talk:BillyL

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Sergei Bodrov

Sergei Vladimirovich Bodrov (Серге́й Влади́мирович Бодро́в; born 28 June 1948) is a Russian film director, screenwriter, and producer. In 2003 he was the president of the jury at the 25th Moscow International Film Festival.

Life and career
Bodrov was born in Khabarovsk, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union (now Russia). In the post-Soviet period he emigrated to the United States. His son, actor Sergei Bodrov, Jr. was killed in an avalanche in the mountains of the North Caucasus on 20 September 2002, while shooting a film titled The Messenger.

Bodrov's paternal grandmother was an ethnic Buryat, which influenced his decision to make the movie Mongol.

Bodrov currently has an apartment in Los Angeles and a ranch in Arizona. He is married to American film consultant Carolyn Cavallaro.

Awards

 * Prisoner of the Mountains
 * Nika Award for Best Picture and Best Director.
 * Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film nomination.
 * Mongol
 * Nika Award for Best Picture and Best Director.
 * Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film nomination.
 * The Quickie
 * 23rd Moscow International Film Festival Golden St. George (nominated)

Filmography

 * Freedom Is Paradise (1989)
 * Katala (1989)
 * White King, Red Queen (1992)
 * Prisoner of the Mountains (1996)
 * Running Free (2000)
 * The Quickie (2001)
 * Bear's Kiss (2002)
 * Shiza (2004)
 * Nomad (2005)
 * Mongol (2007)
 * A Yakuza's Daughter Never Cries (2010)
 * Seventh Son (2014)
 * Breathe Easy (2022)

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Talk:Tom Collins

Who is Tom Collins
Who was the man behind this cocktail? Who *is* this enigma that is Tom Collins? -- 70.25.176.11 07:14, 7 April 2005 (UTC)

Removed non-factual reference
Removed the reference to Tom Collins being a sexual act. I couldn't find any factual reference for that. -- Bill.matthews 16:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment
A Tom Collins in a highball glass? Uh, I think they go in Collins glasses if any drink should... -- Domanator 18:42 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, mint is not a garnish for a Tom Collins. It is usually an orange wedge and a cherry. -- Domanator 18:46 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Non-Alcoholic Variation
An acquaintance used to drink a non-alcoholic version he called an "Altered Tom." -- Kostaki mou 03:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Collins Glass
Collins glasses are cylindrical in shape. I believe the picture on is incorrect. Just type Collins glass on Google images and look at them. I found one below: files.myopera.com. -- 69.221.158.102 13:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

An idea.
This is mostly inference, but: Collins refers to a type of glass, usually 14 oz or so, and similar to a highball glass but taller. In 1700s England there were some pubs with a wooden plaque of a black cat ("Old Tom") hung outside. Passersby could deposit a penny into the wood, hang their mouth underneath a tube between the cat's paws and the bartender would pour a shot of gin into the tube. I'm wondering if the "Tom" and "Collins" are related in this way or if there really was a person of this name who happened to prefer this drink. I think there also may have been a brand of gin called Collins. Make of it what you will. I just felt like sharing. -- Icelitfire 01:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Glass
The picture of the Collins glass shown isn't even a Collins glass. It is a "cooler glass," a tumbler. How do you change it? -- 76.205.74.177 03:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Garnish
I added cherry as a garnish. I think lime is incorrect, but it could be a regional thing. -- Booster4324 (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Unverified
Unverified, removed "variations" below, per WP:V. Various cocktail articles have similar problems...  Dei z  talk 07:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * ==Variations==
 * Brandy Collins — with brandy
 * Jack Collins — with applejack
 * John Collins — with rye or bourbon
 * Michael Collins — with Irish whiskey, named for the Irish leader Michael Collins
 * Ron Collins — with rum
 * Sandy Collins or Jock Collins — with Scotch whisky
 * Vodka Collins or Comrade Collins — with vodka
 * Pedro Collins - with rum
 * José Collins — with tequila
 * Phil Collins — with tequila, Irish whiskey, vodka, rum, and beer. Named for musician Phil Collins
 * Tommy Collins - with Red Bull, Irish whiskey

Cutting room floor
Not sure how this fit in with things, but the 1818 phrase, Tom Collins, whether or no was used among sailors to signify whether they will or will not, such as in whether or not they will participate in an event. . -- Suntag  ☼  06:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I think that absolutely belongs, as the earliest known use of the phrase. Nice job on all the additional material. Rees11 (talk) 03:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think that the 1818 phrase Tom Collins, whether or no could have given its name to The Great Tom Collins hoax of 1874. That would require research, but it seems a lead worth following. -- Suntag  ☼  15:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Glass
The new article is great, but the picture of the glass has to go. Some seem to think it is the same thing as a highball glass, just smaller. This is incorrect. It is perfectly cylindrical. See the link to the picture in an earlier post above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domanator (talk • contribs) 00:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Agreed, thanks for removing it. Now we just need a good photo of a real Collins glass. Rees11 (talk) 01:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The glass is still wrong! Its a Tom Collins because of the glass and its in the wrong glass >_< user:garbagefan2424 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.173.174.198 (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Possessive apostrophe
Both "Jerry Thomas'" and "Jerry Thomas's" are considered correct. Strunk and the New York Times prefer the latter. WP:MOS suggests either can be used, but the latter "is more common for modern names and common nouns." I see no reason to change what's already written. Rees11 (talk) 17:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Not an IBA cocktail?
I was trying to verify the recipe, since many of the other IBA drinks on Wikipedia don't match the IBA recipe, and found much to my surprise that Tom Collins is not on the IBA list of official cocktails, although John Collins is. Is this a mistake at the IBA web site or has it really been de-listed? IBA Offical Cocktails Rees11 (talk) 14:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Not an IBA cocktail?

Yes it is just follow the link John Collins and you´ll see. Despite i don´t agree with the recipe shown, nor i agree in majority with the contents of this article. What about John Collins from Londons Limmer's Tavern? Nobody even mentiont this possibility. Even the name causes confusion. In the 1800 and 1900 Old Tom Gin was the popular Gin wich might give a bigger hint to the origen. Also that soda water was a English invention. Ther is more if you look closer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donbeach (talk • contribs) 19:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Silly me, I was looking under "T" for "Tom." Rees11 (talk) 22:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok...since it's fairly clear that the IBA knows what the IBA official drinks are, and they specify the JOHN Collins, and not the TOM Collins...we can then conclude that a TOM Collins is NOT an IBA cocktail. If this means that there should be a John Collins page, or something else, I leave up to the more experienced Wiki members. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.55.14 (talk) 13:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Tom Collins in literature?
This is one of the cocktails I've encountered frequently in literature, any chance you all might help me brainstorm works of fiction where this drink makes an appearance? I just hit it halfway through "The Garden of Eden" by Hemingway. Skweeds (talk) 09:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with this, there is a popular Simpsons gag featuring Tom Collins mix that I belive should be considered for this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Horus86 (talk • contribs) 03:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

History
I've altered the 'Confused Origin' section to include the research of David Wondrich showing that there is in fact good reason to believe that a Collins was originally known as a John Collins, after the barman who served them in Limmer's Old House in London during the 1790's. However, bearing that in mind it might be a good idea to redraft the entire history section of this entry for greater clarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by General blackblood (talk • contribs) 01:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I've subsequently added some of the relevant info about the John Collins to the History section, and made some clarifications about the context of the Tom Collins Hoax of 1874 but it could still do with considerable cleaning up as this canard still features prominently.General blackblood (talk) 01:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Tom Collins Cocktail Origin Errors
Here are the corrections to your Jerry Thomas and Tom Collins pages: It is unclear who invented the drink. Contrary to what our so called “cocktail experts” tell us, cocktail bloggers, as well as Wikipedia, Jerry Thomas did not publish the Tom Collins until his posthumous 1887 edition of Jerry Thomas’s Bar-tender’s Guide or How to Mix Drinks, but appears as a class of drinks as he has them listed as “Tom Collins Gin”, “Tom Collins Whiskey" “Tom Collins Brandy”. The Tom Collins is a great example of how wrong information spreads. Someone writes in a book that it appears in Jerry Thomas’s 1862 book or the Steward and Barkeeper's Manual of 1869 where there is suppose to be a Jim Collins, and without checking the source, this false information spreads and becomes truth. Anyone that simply goes through these two books for a few minutes can see there are no Collins mentioned in them at all.

A drink known as John Collins’ Gin is published in the 1884 book, The Modern Bartender’s Guide by O. H. Byron. Yet the oldest published account of a Tom Collins I could find was from Harry Johnson’s 1882 book, New and Improved Bartender’s Manual or How to Mix Drinks of the Present Style where he has a Tom Collins and a John Collins and asks for Holland Gin also known as Genièvre for the John Collins and Old Tom Gin for the Tom Collins.

In the 1884 Scientific Barkeeping book we see a drink called Tom Collins but it uses Whiskey and the John Collins uses Holland gin. In the 1887 edition of Jerry Thomas’s book, there is a Tom Collins Whiskey, Tom Collins Brandy and Tom Collins Gin and is the first time Jerry Thomas recorded any Collins. There is no mention of Old Tom Gin in either of these 2 books, under the name Tom Collins, which suggests to me, contrary to popular belief, that had nothing to do with the name Tom Collins.

In summary, Jerry Thomas did not publish the Tom Collins until his 1887 book, the oldest published account of a Tom Collins I could find was from Harry Johnson’s 1882 book, New and Improved Bartender’s Manual or How to Mix Drinks of the Present Style and there is no Collins mentioned at all in Steward and Barkeeper's Manual of 1869.

"Tom Collins Hoax" a real thing
Someone deleted, and I just restored, section on Tom Collins Hoax of 1874. It apparently was a real thing: see the sheet music for songs named "Tom Collins" whose lyrics describe this, in Library of Congress source. --198.179.62.65 (talk) 15:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Help needed: would an editor please create/re-create redirect Tom Collins Hoax of 1874 to the anchor Tom Collins. 198.179.62.65 (talk) 15:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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Picture needed
Does someone have a picture that can be added? Brookie 07:14, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Dr Johnson's House

Dr Johnson's House is a writer's house museum in London in the former home of the 18th-century English writer and lexicographer Samuel Johnson. The house is a Grade I listed building.

Description
Built at the end of the 17th century by wool merchant Richard Gough (died 1728), it is a rare example of a house of its era which survives in the City of London (this refers only to the 'Square Mile' of the City area, as there are many other houses of this period elsewhere in Greater London) and is the only one of Johnson's 18 residences in the City to survive. Four bays wide and five stories tall, it is located at No. 17, Gough Square, a small L-shaped court, now pedestrianised, in a tangle of ancient alleyways just to the north of Fleet Street.

Johnson lived and worked in the house from 1748 to 1759, paying a rent of £30, and he compiled his famous A Dictionary of the English Language there. In the 19th century, it was used as a hotel, a print shop and a storehouse. In 1911, it was purchased by newspaper magnate and politician Cecil Harmsworth, who later commented: "At the time of my purchase of the house in April 1911, it presented every appearance of squalor and decay … It is doubtful whether in the whole of London there existed a more forlorn or dilapidated tenement." He restored the house under the direction of architect Alfred Burr and opened it to the public in 1914. It is now operated by a charitable trust, Dr Johnson's House Trust Ltd.

The house features panelled rooms, a pine staircase, and a collection of period furniture, prints and portraits. There are exhibitions about Johnson's life and work. The house has a commemorative plaque installed on its exterior by the Royal Society of Arts in 1898.

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CelcomDigi

CelcomDigi Berhad (doing business as CelcomDigi; myx: 6947), formerly known as Digi.Com Berhad (doing business as Digi), is a communications conglomerate and mobile service provider in Malaysia. Its largest shareholders comprise Axiata and Norwegian-based Telenor, who hold equal ownership in CelcomDigi at 33.1% each. CelcomDigi is the largest wireless carrier in Malaysia, with 20.3 million subscribers at the end of Q4 2022.

CelcomDigi is listed on the Bursa Malaysia under the Infrastructure category act via the stock ticker symbol "CDB".

History
On 21 June 2021, Axiata and Telenor agree to a potential merger of Celcom and "Digi" to create a stronger telco in Malaysia, coming after advanced discussions that took place two months earlier.

The deal was approved by both Celcom and Digi shareholders on 18 November 2022. The merged company is named CelcomDigi. At completion, Axiata and Telenor will hold equal ownership of 33.1% each in the newly merged company. The merger was completed on 30 November 2022 and the company began its operation the next day. Digi.Com Berhad was later renamed to CelcomDigi Berhad on 27 February 2023.

Coverage, Products and Services
CelcomDigi operates 2G EDGE, 4G LTE, 4G LTE-A and 5G NR networks.

As of December 2023, CelcomDigi has 4G LTE coverage of 97% on populated areas, LTE-Advanced (LTE-A) population coverage was at 91% nationwide, likely measured at the lowest signal quality at -110dBm.

Digi Telecommunications Sdn. Bhd. provides a variety of mobile communication services. These services include voice under their prepaid plans & postpaid plans, SMS, data plans and services, international roaming, international calling card and WAP services.

Digi is the second operator in Malaysia to launch VoLTE, initially available to iPhones running iOS 10.1 and above.

Subscribers
As of fourth quarter of 2022, CelcomDigi had 20.3 million subscribers, comprised 66.8% prepaid subscribers, 32.9% postpaid subscribers and a small, fast growing fibre base at 0.3%

Blended ARPU for Digi and Celcom remained stable at RM40 and RM46 respectively, driven by steady demand for all mobile product offerings.

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User:*Kat*/archive

Christian "Really Strong Hands" Butto is the new addition to the big world of MMA. Only being at the Rookie level with 2 wins also with 1 loss. He is a strong fighter and will show great things inside the octogon.From Las Vegas, Nevada. Teaches him self how to fight with his father. Christian also has very strong hands and outstanding takedowns. His entrance music is My Humps by Fergie, when asked about this he told MMAtoday that it inspires him to show the world how strong his hands really are. He learned the art of cutting hand size from MMA great Shane Carwin. He is the one Chuck Norris fears.

Early career
He has struggled to begin his career in MMA but has fought some of the top competition, with three straight loses in a row he's out to prove to the world that he has what it takes to be one of the greatest Welterweights of all time. Christian plans on adding big named fighters to his record, such as former UFC heavyweight Kimbo Slice. Even though they're in different weight classes, Christian wants to fight him. That was one of Christians dreams, as well as joining the UFC and becoming the champion of the UFC as well as training with Roy Nelson, Butto's hero and sexual mentor. Butto sites Roy Nelson constant fisting as the main driving force behind his desire to fight.

Cultural Impact
Christian Butto has already made a big impression during his short career he has fought overseas in pride and is a fan favorite there, he most recently made a music video with Bob Sapp and Yoshihiro Akiyama called "The New King in Tokyo" which was set a new record for most sold single on Itunes.

Meeting BJ Penn at the airport
Christian Butto recently met his idol BJ Penn at the airport. In a recent interview with Sherdog.com's Loretta Hunt he explained how excited he was.....

"I recently flew out to the middle east for a work assignment. So I'm sitting there on the airplane as we're boarding, chatting away on the phone, and I shit you not, in walks BJ Penn, followed by Carlos Condit.

I remember saying to my girlfriend, "wow, someone that really looks like BJ Penn just walked in", so I turn around to confirm, and sure enough, there are BJ & Carlos sitting 2 rows behind me. At this point I'm practically having a heart attack, trying to contain myself. I didn't want to come across as some obnoxious fan, so I decided to wait until the plane had taken off, before approaching him... which was kinda annoying b/c the plane pulled away 25min late as they were apparently waiting for the person that was supposed to sit in the empty seat next to me (more on that later...)

So the flight takes off, and I go back and tell BJ that I'm a huge fan and that I think it's great what they are doing. We chat for a bit (I obviously asked him if GSP is next, and he was like "haha, we'll see, we'll see, I hope so"), I get a picture with the two of them, and leave them alone for the rest of the flight... it was a redeye, so everyone slept most of the way.

We arrive in Kuwait and have to get our visas processed. BJ & Carlos (like everyone else) had to wait in the long ass line, so I just chilled there next to them and we chatted away about random shit for the next hour and a half. I asked him where Urijah & Bisping were, and he said that Urijah missed the flight (that's right, Urijah was supposed to sit next to me) & Bisping was flying in later. He and Carlos were super cool... they couldn't have been any friendlier. In the end, we told each other to be safe, he gave me a mighty pat on the shoulder and was off.

The most surprising thing out of this whole ordeal was, I was the only person to recognize him on the plane, and only one other guy recognized him in the Kuwait Airport. It was pretty surreal sitting there with BJ / Carlos and about 70 other people oblivious to who they were.

Anyways, just wanted to share that crazy story with you guys and re-enforce that fact that BJ and Carlos are two of the coolest guys around."

Meeting Clay Guida
The Sun, Christian revealed another moment in his life that he will cherish, forever. "I was walking through the book store, looking for a book on algebra, when I saw him. My idol, Clay Guida, signing his autobiography. I strolled over, I didn't wanna look like some daft kid, you know? So I bought a copy of his book, and went to get it signed. Clay was really kind, he also let me take a picture to remember this special day"

Defeating Anderson Silva
Inspired by his in ring antics, he recently challenged UFC champion Anderson Silva to a game of Dance Dance Revolution.

In a stunning upset, 'Really Really Heavy Hands' defeated Anderson Silva at the dance competition, beating him at serveral dances including the Salsa, the Mambo, the Electric Noodle, and the Tease-Maia-Around-The-Octagon.

"It was the Truffle-Shuffle that did me in," said a dejected Anderson Silva after the loss.

Rebounding from Controversy
In a post fight interview coming off of a loss, when asking how he would rebound, Really Strong Hands invoked the spirit of Blondie and was quoted as saying "The tide is high, but I'm holding on. I'm gonna be your number one.  I'm not the kind of guy who just gives up like that." The crowd of 6, including his father (Old Man Strong Hands), a janitor, and a beagle immediately errupted into an underwhelming chorus of golf claps.

Further controversy emerged when it became apparent that if you listen to the dance with Anderson Silva with the sound off, you can clearly see Butto does not tap. He was ahead 10-9 on judge Cecil Peoples's scorecard and using the pseudo tapdancing attempt as a way to damage the mojo of Silva. The apparent tapout was in fact a series of contemporary dance moves, misinterpreted by special guest referee The Undertaker.

Return to competition
Christian Butto is rumoured to be returning to competition by the end of the year. He has recently began training with K-1 Country Breakfast Matt Hughes but was injured when he was on the receiving end of a "Hard Kick". Renzo Gracie was on hand to help him up, thankfully. Now Butto has been making trips to the Tri-Star gym saying he wants to work on his "Riddum"

Retirement
After retirement Christian is now on YouTube filming videos to make a living. You can find and subscribe to him his accounts name is everioize. As of 2016 he started a new hit YouTube channel entitled almostlegalgames. On May 28, 2016 he became engaged to his future waifu Lena Oxton, otherwise known as Tracer of team Overwatch. In 2019 he started streaming games on Facebook.

Exhibition match record
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 * January 07 2010
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Roberts

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 01:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Jesse Roberts
vanity? patent nonsense? one a those. Nateji77 07:22, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, possible personal attack. Megan1967 07:32, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity or hoax. Could go to BJAODN. Dave the Red (talk) 08:12, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This has got to be a personal attack. Average Earthman 09:07, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Ilam

Ilam may refer to:

Places

 * Ilam District, Province No. 1, Nepal
 * Ilam Municipality, in the Ilam District, Nepal
 * Ilam Province, Region 4, Iran
 * Ilam County, Ilam Province
 * Ilam, Iran, capital city of Ilam Province and Ilam County
 * Ilam Airport, serving the city
 * Ilam University Farm, a village in Mehran County, Ilam Province
 * Ilam, New Zealand, a suburb of Christchurch
 * Ilam (New Zealand electorate), a parliamentary electorate
 * Ilam School of Fine Arts, University of Canterbury, Ilam
 * Ilam, Staffordshire, a village in England
 * Ilam Park, a National Trust property in Ilam, Staffordshire
 * Ilam or Eelam, Tamil name for Sri Lanka

Other uses

 * Independent Lawyers' Association of Myanmar
 * Instituto Latinoamericano de Museos, web portal about Latin American museums and parks
 * International Library of African Music, based in South Africa

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User:ThorRune~enwiki

Nope :)

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60 Wall Street

60 Wall Street (formerly the J.P. Morgan Bank Building or Deutsche Bank Building) is a 55-story, 745 ft skyscraper on Wall Street in the Financial District of Lower Manhattan in New York City, United States. The tower was designed by Kevin Roche and John Dinkeloo of Roche-Dinkeloo and originally built for J.P. Morgan & Co. The building's design was intended to fit its surroundings with a postmodern, Greek Revival, and neoclassical look. , 60 Wall Street is mostly owned by GIC Singapore, with Paramount Group as minority owner.

60 Wall Street was designed with 1.7 e6ft2 of floor area. The building's four-story base was designed with columns resembling architectural arcades, while the upper stories are faced in glass and stone. The eight stories below the hip roof contain corners that resemble columns. The ground floor contains an enclosed public atrium connecting the building's entrances at Wall and Pine Streets, with plantings and a subway entrance. The second through fourth floors were designed as trading floors, while the other stories were offices for J.P. Morgan & Co. and then Deutsche Bank.

What is now 60 Wall Street replaced several buildings occupied by Cities Service. The American International Group and Bank of New York originally planned a 60-story office tower on the site in 1979, but these plans were abandoned in 1982. The site was then acquired by Park Tower Realty Company, who sold it in 1985 to J.P. Morgan & Co. The project was finished in 1989, with J.P. Morgan occupying the whole building. Starting in 2001, the building served as the American headquarters of Deutsche Bank after the Deutsche Bank Building was severely damaged in the September 11 attacks. The Paramount Group bought the building in 2007, and GIC bought a majority stake from Paramount in 2017. The owners announced a renovation of 60 Wall Street in 2021, after Deutsche Bank announced its intention to move out; the plans prompted protests from preservationists, who advocated for the facade and lobby to be preserved.

Site
60 Wall Street is in the Financial District of Lower Manhattan in New York City. It occupies the middle of a city block bounded by Pine Street to the north, Pearl Street to the east, Wall Street to the south, and William Street to the west. The slightly irregular land lot occupies 53652 sqft, with a frontage of 297.16 ft on Wall Street and a depth of 194.75 ft between Wall and Pine Streets. Underlying the site of 60 Wall Street is a layer of Manhattan schist, which peaks underneath the center of the site and slopes downward to the west and east.

The building shares the city block with 48 Wall Street to the west and 72 Wall Street to the east. Other nearby buildings include Our Lady of Victory Church, 56 Pine Street, and Down Town Association to the northwest; 70 Pine Street to the north; One Wall Street Court to the southeast; 63 Wall Street and 75 Wall Street to the south; and 55 Wall Street to the southwest.

Previous buildings
Directly before the construction of the current tower by Roche/Dinkeloo, the site had contained seven buildings from 52 to 70 Wall Street. Several of these structures, along with the neighboring 70 Pine Street, had contained part of the headquarters of oil company Cities Service in the mid-20th century. At the original structure at 60 Wall Street, there was a footbridge connecting to 70 Pine Street, as well as a tunnel to the same building. To save money, Cities Service demolished all the properties comprising the site (except 52 Wall Street) in 1974, when the firm moved its headquarters to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

The westernmost building on the site was an office building of around 33 stories at 52 Wall Street. It had been designed by McKim, Mead & White for the National City Bank Corporation and developed in 1927. Immediately to the east was the building at 54 Wall Street, a 115 ft, nine-story office building completed in 1886 and owned by the Central Trust Company of New York. The adjacent lot at 56 Wall Street was a five-story office building, which in turn consisted of two office structures developed before 1857.

The original building with the address 60 Wall Street was a 345 ft office building, completed around 1905. Designed by Clinton & Russell for the International Banking Corporation, it had twenty-six stories on Pine Street and fourteen on Wall Street. The next building to the east was a 11-story office building at 64–66 Wall Street, developed in 1907. That building had contained a three-story addition at 68 Wall Street, designed by McKim, Mead & White in 1917. The easternmost building was a 12-story, 160 ft structure at 70 Wall Street, developed in 1927. Number 70 had been developed for the Commercial Exchange Bank but was instead occupied by the Municipal Bank of Brooklyn.

Architecture
60 Wall Street, also previously known as the J.P. Morgan Bank Building or Deutsche Bank Building, was designed by Kevin Roche and John Dinkeloo of Roche-Dinkeloo. It contains 1.7 e6ft2 of space. According to The Skyscraper Center and Emporis, the building has 55 stories and is 745 ft tall. The general contractor was Tishman Realty & Construction, while the steel contractor was Frankel Steel, a subsidiary of Canadian company Harris Steel Group Inc. WSP Cantor Seinuk was the structural engineer.

Form and facade
60 Wall Street is designed to fit its surroundings with a postmodern, Greek revival, and neoclassical look to emphasize both height and size. The building's base is four stories high. The base consists of arcades with paired columns on both Wall and Pine Streets, a reference to 55 Wall Street to the south. The columns are 70 ft tall. According to Kevin Roche of Roche-Dinkeloo, the design was "the idea of the column [...] used in a schematic way to articulate the form of the shaft of the building." The design of the cornices on adjacent buildings also influenced the placement of a cornice above the base. The mullions between the windows are made of bronze, which are painted in an aluminum color above street level. In 2021, Kohn Pedersen Fox (KPF) was hired to redesign the building's base with a portico and triple-height windows overlooking the ground-story atrium.

On the stories above the base, the corners of 60 Wall Street are notched inward. The notches are designed in a similar pattern to the columns on the base, with alternating strips of ribbon windows and curtain-wall panels to resemble banded pilasters. The center portion of each facade is made of glass with horizontal bands of green and pink granite. The exteriors are designed with curved steel truss frames behind the thin layers of stone. The corners of the eight stories below the roof, starting from the 42nd floor, are arranged to look like columns similar to those on the base. According to architectural writer Robert A. M. Stern, the corners "visually strengthened the corners of the tower".

60 Wall Street contains a hip roof, designed as a variation of a pyramidal roof. The roof is clad with copper and is 40 ft tall. The roof was inspired by the pyramidal roofs of other skyscrapers on Wall Street. According to a vice president of the building's original developer Park Tower Realty Corporation, "A distinctive top makes a substantial difference as part of a good building." The roof includes mechanical equipment, as well as microwave and satellite communications machinery. In January 2012, Deutsche Bank installed a 122.4 kW solar photovoltaic (PV) system on the roof of to decrease carbon emissions by 100 metric tons per year. The system is the largest solar PV array in Manhattan and the world's highest PV panel array, as of 2012.

Features
60 Wall Street is designed with 1.5 e6ft2 of leasable space. Before 60 Wall Street was developed, the site was zoned to only allow a building of 804900 ft2 "as of right", assuming a floor area ratio of 15. For the building's construction, Park Tower Realty purchased over 363,000 sqft of neighboring 55 Wall Street's air rights from Citibank. The project also received a bonus of 144,900 sqft for a covered pedestrian space and 16,038 sqft for public arcades on Wall and Pine Streets. 60 Wall Street also received allotment of 88,700 sqft for mechanical spaces. This brought the gross floor area to about 1.57 e6ft2. As part of the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program, the tower has design features that are intended to meet green building standards, which allowed it to receive a LEED Gold certification.

Atrium

The ground floor contains an enclosed 2,360 ft2 public atrium that measures 30 ft high and 174 ft long. The atrium was included in exchange for more interior area on upper stories. The landscaped space is designed with seasonal plantings. When the building was designed, Roche had rejected the idea of an open-air atrium, both because he felt it would disrupt Wall Street's "street wall" of stone facades and because he believed it to be too close to the nearby plaza at Chase Manhattan Plaza. A similar atrium had been planned in 1969 for an unbuilt skyscraper that would have housed the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

The atrium is decorated largely in white materials, including marble tiles shaped like bricks. The space is divided by ten white octagonal columns topped by flared capitals, which support a latticed ceiling originally decorated with wood and mirrors. Roche had previously used this motif at the United Nations Plaza Hotel. The bases of each column have ledges for seating, and movable chairs and tables are placed throughout the rest of the space. A pedestrian passage runs through the center of the atrium. The western wall of the space has stone sculptures with water spouts and planters below. The eastern wall has storefronts, with restrooms and the office entrance near the northeast corner. The walls have ashlar-patterned granite with green granite and white marble. The northwest corner of the lobby has a part-time entrance to the Wall Street subway station, serving the New York City Subway's.

According to Jerold Kayden, who wrote about the building in 2000, the atrium "assumes different personalities" during different parts of the day. Kayden wrote the atrium was heavily used during rush hours by subway commuters and more lightly used during lunchtime; throughout the rest of the day, the atrium was "used but never overused", with patrons ranging from homeless people to employees to bike messengers. By 2021, KPF was redesigning the atrium with a 100 ft "green wall", a skylight, and a wider subway entrance. New eating areas would be created and new seating would be installed. According to design renderings, the atrium and lobby would also contain tan and white marble as well as specially designed light fixtures.

Other stories
At the second through fourth floors are column-free spaces for trading. These stories, flanking the lobby, cover 52000 ft2 or 54000 ft2 each. These were designed for the building's original occupant, the bank J.P. Morgan & Co. In addition, J.P. Morgan added ornate dining rooms so it could provide free lunches for its employees. Two data-processing centers were also installed in the building for J.P. Morgan. The office stories contain a steel superstructure with wide spans between each column, allowing flexible office layouts.

The offices of J.P. Morgan were originally designed by Gensler Associates. From the building's opening, J.P. Morgan's computer systems were served by 2500 mi of cable, a large portion of which was fiber-optic cable. On each story, the corners contained private offices, while the rest of the perimeter was unobstructed, allowing the interiors of each story to be illuminated by sunlight. Most workspaces were designed as cubicles of similar size. Though departmental heads were given offices, their furniture was standardized and their office sizes were similar. The executive offices for J.P. Morgan's senior managers, chairman, and CEO were on the 20th story of the 55 story building; this was an intentional choice as their executives who wanted their employees to be "spread equally around them". Mancini Duffy designed the furniture for J.P. Morgan at 60 Wall Street.

Deutsche Bank moved into the building in 2001 and rehired Gensler in 2016 to redesign the office space. Gensler's renovations involved demolishing some interior walls, replacing desks to allow better communication between workers, and relocating hallways to create better access to stairwells.

History
Cities Service had completed the neighboring 70 Pine Street in 1932 and occupied it until 1975, after which that building was acquired by American International Group (AIG). The Bank of New York (BNY), meanwhile, had occupied the adjacent building at 48 Wall Street since it was completed in 1929, though BNY had maintained an office at that site since 1797. After the sites at 54 through 70 Wall Street had been leveled in 1974, the vacant lot was considered as a location for the American Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange, though neither proposal happened. AIG and BNY jointly owned 52 Wall Street, and AIG alone owned the parking lot at 54–70 Wall Street. By the late 1970s, several major office buildings were planned for the Financial District.

Early plans
By late 1979, AIG and BNY were planning an office building to replace the parking lot and 48 and 52 Wall Street. The building would have been 60 stories tall with either 1.6 e6ft2 or 1.7 e6ft2, with a proposed cost of $450 million. AIG hired Welton Becket & Associates, which designed one plan for the site, while BNY hired John Carl Warnecke, which designed two plans. The Welton Becket plan called for preserving some of the lower floors at 48 Wall Street into a slab-shaped tower. One of Warnecke's plans called for a square tower turned on its axis, with a slanted roof, which was nicknamed "Son of Citicorp" after Citicorp Center. The other Warnecke plan was "Son of 30 Rockefeller Plaza", which consisted of a taller tower for AIG and a shorter tower for BNY rising from a single base. While neither 48 nor 52 Wall Street would have been preserved, the lower stories of 48 Wall Street would probably have been incorporated into the new towers.

One of the two structures on the site, 52 Wall Street, was being demolished by 1981. One worker was killed by a falling steel beam during the demolition of 52 Wall Street. BNY had bought out AIG's share in the site by then, and there was little public objection to the demolition of 52 Wall Street. Even the proposed demolition of 48 Wall Street, an architecturally distinguished building with eagle ornamentation, did not raise concerns. To reduce the cost of the new headquarters, BNY asked the city's Industrial Commercial Incentive Board for a $22 million tax abatement in January 1982. In the bank's application, Deputy Mayor John Zuccotti said the vacant lot "has long been an embarrassment to the city" and that "the Bank of New York is given a fighting chance" to revitalize the neighborhood if it were given the tax abatement. At the time, the lot was being used for drug deals.

After protests by New York State Senator Franz S. Leichter and New York City Councilwoman Ruth Messinger, the board denied BNY's request for a tax abatement in February 1982. The denial was a change of routine for the board, which had previously distributed large tax breaks to AT&T and IBM for the development of new buildings to stimulate the city's economy. BNY had indicated that, if it were not granted a tax break, it would build a smaller structure. By August 1982, the lots at 52 and 60 Wall Street were both being placed for sale. The next month, BNY indicated that it planned to remain in 48 Wall Street and a neighboring building at 46 William Street rather than develop the vacant lots. The cleared sites collectively covered 53000 ft2.

Park Tower Realty
By April 1983, BNY had entered a contract to sell the site to George Klein, head of the Park Tower Realty Company. The site could accommodate 804900 ft2 without any modifications, but the developer could acquire air rights and conduct improvements to the surrounding subway station to increase the tower's size. The sale came in spite of a slight decline in New York City's office market. That September, BNY sold the lots to Park Tower Realty, which planned a 1.7 e6ft2, 60-story office tower with a subway entrance, garage, and space for computer systems. Though an architect had not been selected, the developer had planned for construction to begin in 1984 and be complete by 1986. Park Tower vice president Neil Klarfeld said: "Sixty Wall Street will be a building of the 21st century, but its design will be compatible with the landmark structures that surround it."

Roche and Dinkeloo were selected as the building's architects in 1984. They beat out the architect Helmut Jahn, who had submitted three designs for the proposed building: one each for an obelisk, a stone shaft, and a column reminiscent of Adolf Loos's entry in the Tribune Tower competition of 1922. To increase 60 Wall Street's height, Park Tower proposed buying approximately 365000 ft2 of air rights from above 55 Wall Street, a New York City landmark. The New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission needed to approve any major modifications regarding 55 Wall Street; in March 1984, the commission unanimously approved the transfer of the air rights. The developers also agreed to add a public atrium at the base in exchange for another 160000 ft2 of offices. Shortly after, Manhattan Community Board 1 also unanimously approved the bonuses in an advisory vote. The vice commissioner on the New York City Planning Commission, Martin Gallent, opposed the bonuses. The commission as a whole supported the bonuses, requesting only that the building's proposed parking lot be reduced from 197 to 125 parking spots.

By early 1985, the site had been completely empty for three years; Park Tower Realty blamed the delays on the city's construction permit process. The vacant lot was not even being used for parking, which would at least produce some revenue. That September, J.P. Morgan & Co. announced it would purchase and fully occupy the proposed tower, with Park Tower as developer. The company had earlier threatened to move its headquarters to Delaware to save money, following a failed attempt to purchase 7 World Trade Center, but it apparently decided to stay in New York City following changes to city and state tax regulations. Unlike BNY before it, J.P. Morgan was given a major tax break for 60 Wall Street. The move would consolidate J.P. Morgan's space from six buildings into three; the company would also occupy 30 West Broadway and 23 Wall Street. This made J.P. Morgan one of several financial firms to lease large amounts of spaces in lower Manhattan buildings. J.P. Morgan indicated construction would start within six months of its lease; the building was projected to cost $550 million.

Construction and J.P. Morgan use
To accommodate its needs, J.P. Morgan custom-designed its offices with advanced computer and communications equipment. The bank created trading floors at the base and removed one story from the original plans, slightly increasing all the other ceiling heights to compensate for the missing floor. Dining rooms were added so J.P. Morgan could give complimentary lunches to employees. The building's exterior shape and atrium were not modified, so no additional review from the city government was required. This sped up the project by about three years, since the various city agencies did not need to review the eligibility of any zoning bonuses being applied to the building. Steel contractor Frankel Steel and Steel Structures Corporation were jointly hired to fabricate the steel in mid-1986, and Steel Structures Erection Inc. was hired to erect the steel frame.

In May 1988, J.P. Morgan received $400 million in financing for the project from Dai-ichi Life. In addition to a 7 percent annual interest rate, the financing also gave Dai-ichi Life an oversight role in the management of the building and the option in 20 years to convert the debt into a 49 percent equity stake. By early 1989, J.P. Morgan was planning to move up to 3,500 employees into 60 Wall Street, although 3,500 additional employees were to work elsewhere. That year, the J.P. Morgan headquarters was officially relocated from 23 to 60 Wall Street. By the end of the year, 70 percent of J.P. Morgan employees had moved into 60 Wall Street. Upon 60 Wall Street's completion, J.P. Morgan occupied all the office stories for itself. The atrium had several shops, including a clothing store and an eatery called Neuchatel. With a $17.7 million tax bill for 60 Wall Street in 1992, the bank paid some of New York City's highest property taxes that year.

Unlike many financial firms of the time, J.P. Morgan had support personnel working near executives and traders in the same building, namely 60 Wall Street. To allow the installation of J.P. Morgan's advanced computer equipment, nearly 1,000 employees had been relocated at least once within the building's first year of operation. An operations center was opened on Staten Island to provide redundancy in case the 60 Wall Street trading rooms were damaged or destroyed. Though J.P. Morgan had data centers in Delaware and in 60 Wall Street's basement, it was not as technologically advanced compared to non-banking firms. After J.P. Morgan merged with Chase Manhattan Bank in 2000 to become JPMorgan Chase, the bank announced that it would move from 60 Wall Street to 277 Park Avenue, next to Chase Manhattan Bank's existing headquarters at 270 Park Avenue.

Deutsche Bank use
JPMorgan Chase sold 60 Wall Street to Deutsche Bank in April 2001 for $600 million. After the nearby Deutsche Bank Building at 130 Liberty Street was severely damaged during the September 11 attacks later that year, Deutsche Bank moved about 5,500 staff into 60 Wall Street. JPMorgan Chase had originally proposed to relocate to Park Avenue by early 2002, but the damage to the Deutsche Bank Building required that Deutsche Bank occupy its new space immediately. To attract visitors to lower Manhattan after the September 11 attacks, nonprofit organization Wall Street Rising hosted art exhibits at 60 Wall Street and several other buildings in the area in mid-2002. Wall Street Rising also convinced Deutsche Bank to light up 60 Wall Street at night. For some time after the attacks, Deutsche Bank contemplated leasing 60 Wall Street to other companies before committing to use the space as its headquarters in December 2002. The announcement came in part after the bank received a $34.5 million government grant to stay in Lower Manhattan. Deutsche Bank was the sole tenant for several years when, in October 2006, it placed the building for sale. The bank planned to lease the entire building for 15 more years under a sale-and-leaseback agreement. By the end of 2006, the bank had reportedly found a buyer who was willing to pay $1.2 billion. The buyer, Paramount Group, finalized its purchase in May 2007 for over $1.2 billion. The sale represented a valuation of 737 $/ft2, then a record rate for Manhattan office space.

The atrium was a locus of Occupy Wall Street activity during the protest occupation of nearby Zuccotti Park in late 2011, with protest organizers holding meetings in the atrium. The protests led 60 Wall Street's owners to modify the atrium's rules to prohibit loitering. The photovoltaic system on the roof was installed the next year. By 2014, Deutsche Bank was considering moving to another building with at least 1 e6ft2, as well as remaining at 60 Wall Street and renovating that space. In 2016, Deutsche Bank hired Gensler to redesign the building's offices to create more open plan space. In 2017, Paramount sold a 95 percent interest in 60 Wall Street's ownership to Singaporean wealth fund GIC for $1.04 billion; the sale valued the tower at $1.1 billion. Paramount continued to own 5 percent of the tower. German lender Aareal Bank provided GIC with $575 million for the acquisition.

2020s renovation
In May 2018, Deutsche Bank announced it would be vacating 60 Wall Street and moving to 1.1 e6ft2 at Time Warner Center on Columbus Circle within three years. The building's owner then hired CBRE Group to find tenants for the entirely vacant space. In July 2019, Deutsche Bank removed a triptych by German artist Gerhard Richter from the building's lobby. The work, valued at up to $30 million, was replaced by works from younger artists, including drawings by the Nigerian artist Ruby Onyinyechi Amanze. Paramount Group announced a $250 million renovation of the building in mid-2021, designed by KPF. The renovation was to begin in mid-2022 and included recladding the lower stories of the facade as well as redesigning the atrium. The quality of the atrium had declined since the 1980s: the trees had been replaced with plastic replicas, the waterfalls no longer worked, and some of the storefronts had been closed. In addition, the office stories' ventilation systems would be upgraded with MERV 15 filtration systems; this was included as a hygienic measure following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City during 2020.

The bank's employees were being relocated by July 2021. After the renovation plans were announced, in mid-2022, preservation group Docomomo International requested that the LPC consider designating 60 Wall Street's facade and the atrium's interior as New York City landmarks. The LPC rejected KPF's plans for the redesign at a hearing in June 2022. The LPC requested that the developers revise their plans so the lower section of the facade would "harmonize" with that of 55 Wall Street. Paramount then proposed a design with a revised facade, but the LPC refused to approve this design in September 2022 because the lobby would still have been remodeled. Following the LPC's failure to approve either renovation proposal, it was unclear whether the project would proceed. At an August 2023 hearing, the city's Planning Commission gave Paramount permission to renovate the lobby. In May 2024, Paramount refinanced the building with a $575 million loan from Aareal Bank.

Reception
When the building was being planned, Paul Goldberger wrote for The New York Times that 60 Wall Street was among several modernist buildings simultaneously being developed with "a strong tendency to use historical form". Goldberger criticized Roche's design as "a site too squeezed, really, to properly accept any very large building" but said that, "at very large scale, it is difficult to imagine a much better scheme than Mr. Roche's". Carter Wiseman of New York magazine expressed even less confidence in the design, saying that Roche's "classical column" design is "just too obvious to be interesting for long". Both Goldberger and Wiseman regarded 60 Wall Street and the contemporary Park Avenue Tower, designed by the same developer, as faux-classical structures in the middle of their respective city blocks. Ada Louise Huxtable wrote that 60 Wall Street "securely challenges Loos's famous Tribune Tower column in its unconventional use of that eternal and indefatigable classical theme".

When 60 Wall Street was completed, The Wall Street Journal said 60 Wall Street's "flashy exterior" contrasted with the typically "conservative Morgan image", the latter of which was exemplified in the stone exterior of 23 Wall Street. Goldberger implied that the building was able to "reinvigorate historical form with modern meaning". Goldberger felt that 60 Wall Street had been sneaked between 40 Wall Street and 70 Pine Street, which he deemed "two of the most celebrated skyscrapers from the last golden age of the lower Manhattan skyline". The fifth edition of the AIA Guide to New York City described the building as "a hulk, out of step with the gracefully air-cooled slender-spired skyscrapers nearby".

Goldberger compared the atrium to "the center of a shopping mall without the stores", calling the design "discordant and falsely sweet". Jerold Kayden criticized the original design of the atrium, saying that the color and lighting system conveyed the feel of "an antiseptic pall" and that "If anything, the space has overtones of a New York City white-tiled subway station or a stage set for an English garden." A reporter for The Village Voice said it "has the homey feel of a town hall-bus station hybrid". When 60 Wall Street's renovation was announced in 2021, many preservationists protested, and Goldberger spoke in favor of keeping the lobby. In a 2022 interview with the Times, Goldberger said: "As time has gone on, I realize it’s one of the few significant interiors" in New York City designed in the 1980s. The same year, Christopher Bonanos of New York wrote that the lobby "is exuberant, a little ridiculous, and threatened with a deadening renovation". New York Review of Architecture editor Samuel Medina said the original atrium "offers a glimpse of what true public luxury could look like", whereas the redesigned space was "bland, it’s leafy, and it reeks of money".

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