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David Kelley
David Kelley really IS an Objectivist, your assertions to the contrary notwithstanding. Kurt Weber 18:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

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Paul László
Hallo Peter,

I presume that you are the son or grandson of Paul László. In the German WP we discussing the deletion of a rather crude machine translation of the EN:WP article about your relative.

In order to encourage somebody to write a valuable translation, would you consider to upload your pictures into commons.wikipedia.org were all language versions can use these. --Bahnmoeller 21:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

In order to upload images into the commons goto: http://commons.wikipedia.org and choose a username (same precedure as in the EN:WP)

Then use the 'Upload file' link on the left and follow the instructions. As you have already uploaded images into the EN:WP I thnik you should be fine. --Bahnmoeller 09:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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References in the Paul László article
You removed the link to a magazine article mentioning Julius Shulman's collection of architectural photographs of Paul László's work. I didn't think of this as a commercial website. The link to a biography written by a member of the firm "LA Modern Auctions" is certainly more arguable. This is fine, but the article needs some standard references that are publicly accessible - even though you are personally the main authority on him. Please e-mail me (through the Wikipedia mechanism - go to my page User:Easchiff) if you wish to discuss these things privately. I have a personal connection to László, who was the architect, in 1938, of my grandparents' home in Hollywood. He included their home in his 1947 book (pp. 28-29) that described his first decade of US commissions.EAS 15:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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An editor posted an editing tag to indicate that the assertion: is uncited. I noticed you deleteed the tag without adding any source for it. I'm going to restore the tag until we can find a source for this claim. I'm sure it's true, but it also needs to be verifiable. -Will Beback · † · 02:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Paul László ... is considered a giant amongst the furniture designers, interior designers, and architects of the 20th century.

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Talk:Arse

-Actually, as a Brit I a can say that to many (most?) brits - certainly here in the midlands - "arse" is considered to be quite rude and certainly you would get a few disapproving looks if loudly vocalised in public. Also, we may not pronounce the "r" in "arse" but we lengthen the "a" to compensate - it makes sense to us, since we also tend to do this in many of our words. Recently on, tv especially, there has been a tendency to use "ass" instead of "arse" as this is not considered to be as offensive by the general public. Seems a bit of a silly distinction to make, really.--81.151.218.59 22:46, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

-Wierd thing in America is that "ass" is the taboo way of saying it and "arse" is considered more appro.

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Don't forget that Americans call their "asses" their "fannies" if they are being polite :-) SmUX 19:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

 * "Fanny" tends to be a nursery term (though not exclusively). I would say "butt" would be more usual.  Kostaki mou (talk) 21:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - although it's become more acceptable in polite speech, there's no way you'd use it in a formal situation or in front of your kids or grandmother. We'd almost always use "bum" instead. I'll amend appropriately.

-As an american I can say: "Arse" is almost never used in the United States. In fact, Most americans (until they here it spelled) simply think that Brits say the word 'Ass' with extended vowels. Arse is neither appropriate, nor inapropriate....most americans would simply think you made it up (except internet-junkies, and tourists).

_As a Canadian I'd point out that Arse still receives common use in the Maritime Provinces, namely Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island. Its use is declining in modern times, but would be easily/quickly recognized by older generations across Canada.

illustration
The former similarity of the words is caught in the following verse:

There was a young girl from Madras Who had quite a wonderful ass. Not rounded and pink, as you possibly think, it was grey, had long ears, and ate grass!

 * Still works fine if you're a northern Englishman who pronounces Madras and grass with short As! 86.143.51.249 01:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, if it was going to be correct for England, it'd be "grarse". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.159.187 (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, I (and most others from the South of England) would pronounce 'grass' in the way anyway. Tim (Xevious) (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Double Talking
Somometimes,People may say 'I'm gonna kick your bloody arse!"For "I'm gonna kick your fuckin ass!".odd. -Z.Spy 4 October 2005

In what sense is the former for the latter? (I suspect that the British version is meant more literally.) Grant 23:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Arse is commonly used in Australia, example "Git off your arse!" JayKeaton 13:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Australian English seems to have many similarities with British/Commonwealth English, not surprising. 惑乱 分からん 02:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

What about the american term big-ass? Maybe that's too american and big-arse wouldn't work that way. 惑乱 分からん 02:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Ass offensive in UK?
Not too sure about this. I think anyone I would speak to would consider "ass" = "donkey" = "fool" over here (unless there was context to indicate otherwise), certainly in any expression "Stop being an ass"/"Stop acting like an ass". I would be quite happy to use the expression in polite society (but I'd say it with a smile). Even Enid Blyton (to 1960s) uses it (Famous Five - cant recall where, but I'm certain its in there - Susan to Julian, perhaps?), so if there is any coarse "ass" = "anus" association in such a phrase, it certainly didn't first occur in that context during the Victorian period in the UK, otherwise she would not have used it for her children's books a century later; I expect its a US usage imported via film? Tobermory 09:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Modern semantics: ass
Not sure what the third bullet point – a) idiot, b) asshole, etc. – is doing in an article about the word 'arse'. In British English, the word 'ass' would not be used to mean buttocks except as a euphemism, i.e. a less offensive word standing for the real word, 'arse'. Generally, a cod American accent would be employed in this case. I would be very interested to see any example where "people in Britain have adopted the American version in writing" (as alleged in the previous bullet point) other than in a purely (pseudo-)American context. An Englishman who was too polite to say 'arse' would say 'bum' or 'bottom'.

The second bullet point claims (contrary to all sources I have seen) that 'ass' for 'arse' was a British innovation. If so, it must have died out very quickly; as mentioned elsewhere, in Britain it was perfectly acceptable to call someone a 'silly ass' in polite society (and books for young children) without the slightest concern that it might be misconstrued as a reference to a body part – right up to the 1960s (or even 1970s).

Back to the third bullet point: Either 'ass' for 'arse' came about independently of 'ass' meaning 'donkey' (in which case, why refer to the donkey-derived senses at all in an article about 'arse'?) or it is itself derived from it (in which case, it is ultimately a euphemism even in the US – so why revert 'euphemistic' to 'literal'?).

I'm minded to revise these two bullet points. Any thoughts on the matter? Grant 23:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I would't find it strange if the -rs- turning -ss- sound shift emerged first in Britain and later was carried over to the USA. 惑乱 分からん 23:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The Americans seem to have hijacked the article - its supposed to be about arses, no-one says ass in Britain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.76.106 (talk) 01:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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does that photo have any relevancy to the word "arse" specifically? i don't see how it does. Joeyramoney 22:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's of an arse, I suppose. I considered reverting it when it was added but ultimately didn't. It probably should go since it relates to the concept, rather than the word as discussed in this article. --Cherry blossom tree 22:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Pictures should go only in the buttocks article, not here. Voortle 00:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Do Not Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposed move
arse to ass and arse. The article should be at this title (or at arse and ass) because it discusses both words, not just one, similar to the shall and will article, which is not at either will or shall. Voortle 00:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * Oppose. I agree there is a problem, but disagree with the proposed solution.  The most common name used to reference the subject of the article is ass, but that is (rightfully) a disambiguation page.  So I would support Arse -> Ass (arse), which specifies the most common name (ass), and disambiguates with the British term (arse).  --Serge 08:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The analogy to shall and will doesn't work because they are different words with subtly different meanings and the article discusses these differences. Ass and arse are just regional variants of each other - the article discusses their shared etymology and usage. I'm also not sure what benefit moving it to ass (arse) would have. It's a more complex title and it breaks the disambiguation convention of using term (description) to use term (synonym), both of which make it more difficult to guess at the title of the article. On top of that, it is basically moving from one form of English to another, which is not done. --Cherry blossom tree 10:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Since ass is absolutely not synonymous with arse, but the etymology-semantics constitute quite a complex word history, each needs a page of its own Fastifex 11:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As per above. -- Asterion talk 17:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Why is this article called arse, but asshole is called asshole and not arsehole? --Macarion 03:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In England we use the word arse. We call people arseholes.  We say 'you are making an arse of youself'.  In america (for whatever reason, this isn't a language debate) you replace every arse with ass.  They are language differences only.  In my experience and an Englishman, here in England the word ass is rarely used except for the following circumstances:
 * Jackass: i.e. the television show and film. This is mispronounced jackarse by some people but is should be kept as jackass because the ass here doesn't refer to... well... an arse.
 * Americanisms: when either making fun of Americans or mimicking americans, one might say ass instead of arse.
 * Also, Jackass and ass are totally different in the US. What we in the UK consider an ass to be (the donkey derivative) is what the US call a Jackass...that's why we still call the show "Jackass" SmUX 19:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

(Mawkish1983 14:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC))
 * Because there is something else already at ass. -- Beardo 02:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You can just taste the ignorance. (unsigned)

The word "arsehole" is used, I can guarantee the user Macarion who posted it is from the US and showing usual US blind ignorance of other countries and cultures...just because the US doesn't use the word "arsehole" doesn't mean it isn't used...I fired up google (.co.uk) and searched..."Results 1 - 10 of about 546,000 for arsehole"...546k results, and it's not a used word? SmUX 19:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I can guarantee that the user SumUX is from the UK, is showing usual UK arrogance and is holding the typical UK idea that British English is superior to the English of other countries and cultures. See, we can all make comments about ridiculous cultural stereotypes, but that just makes people angry and does not help contribute to Wikipedia. So Macarion was wrong about the word "arsehole." That's no reason to insult Americans and use stupid stereotypes. Don't be an asshole, Americans are no more ignorant about other cultures than the British, and you're just perpetuating the stereotype that all English people are pompous arseholes who think they're better than their brethren across the pond. I am aware that is is poorly written and slightly hypocritical, but I think I get my point across.

Isn't this really a dictionary entry?
I'm not clear why this entry is here at all. It seems to me to be all about the word, its usages and definitions, not about the thing itself. Woblosch 11:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it may be too fine a point, but words are "things" just like bath plugs, WW11, Neptune and Nestorianism, and a comprehensive dictionary is nothing more than a specialised encyclopedia of language matters. OTOH, if your dictionary does not extend to historical and regional treatments of a word, and there is sufficient public interest in such matters in the case of a specific word, then it belongs in Wikipedia quite naturally. Myles325a 04:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, for one it doesn't even include a definition for the word. Herbys 04:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Article needs clarification
This article needs some work in that the concepts of "words" and "terms" are confused with each other throughout.

First, there should be an introductory note explaining that there are two separate terms that share the same word “ass”: buttocks; and "ass": donkey; and that these are not etymologically related by derivation from the beginning, although each of the two words has had a historical influence on the other.

Second, regional variations in the pronunciation of “arse” are complex, and some attempt should be made to define them succinctly. In Britain, and most of the Commonwealth (certainly in Australia) it is said so as to rhyme with “farce”, whereas in the United States it rhymes with “gas”. (Although I believe that Northern parts of Britain still continue to pronounce words like past, last, grass etc the way the Americans do, that is, rhyming with “gas”. I’ll make a few clarifications, but I’ll need some help here. Myles325a 04:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Well as someone from the northern half (pronounced haff) of Britain i can confirm that i too pronounce grass, last and pass with a short 'a' sound, however as Arse has an 'R' in it, it does not rhyme with grass or pass. 167.1.176.4 (talk) 14:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Canadian English mis-characterized
The term "arse" is quite common in Canada along with its variant, "arse-hole". This word is used more than the more American "ass" in some regions in Canada, the Atlantic provinces in particular. Some regions favour one term, others favour the others, and many use them interchangably depending on the desired humorous effect.

Irish Usage
I have heard both "ass" and "arse" in Ireland (from Irish). "Ass" is used in John B. Keane's play The Chastitute, for example (at least, in the production I saw in Dublin). (Of course, one or two Irish have lived in the States.) Kostaki mou (talk) 02:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ass in the Commonwealth
I know quite a few (mainly younger) Commonwealth English speakers who use 'ass' instead of 'arse', they mostly attribute it to American influence but it's certainly preferred. I doubt this is limited to the people *I* know. -MichiganCharms 20:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * This is also somewhat prevalent in the UK, however i would say it is mostly a passing phase that kids grow out of, i can distinctly remember using this word instead of arse when i was a teenager mostly because i thought Eminem and Limp Bizkit were cool, and ofcourse because my mates used it. And can safely say however that upon maturing that all my friends (and myself) have thankfully reverted to using arse. Gazh 20:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I fail to see why one usage should be regarded as more or less mature than the other. It is only natural that speakers of different varieties of a language should be influenced by each other--often in ways they are not aware of.  They are not hermetically sealed from one another.  Kostaki mou (talk) 21:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

 * One term itself is no more mature than than the other, but it's usage is out of place and is/was often used because it was prevelant on cool American TV shows or music, there is a massive growing awareness within the youth of Britain that the American media outlets are/were having a huge influence on the youth here and as a result a reverse of this trend is seemingly in motion. When i say ass, i usually say it in a broad American accent, when i say arse, i say it in my own accent. It's as much as a nod to being British and different from Americans than anything else. Gazh (talk) 09:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

 * If you want to purge your speech of Americanisms, you'd have to do an awful lot more than using "arse" instead of "ass." American influence on English speech (and vice versa) has been going on for a long time.  There are countless American usages current in England whose origins most English people are no longer conscious of.  Of course, some "Americanisms" are only usages that had remained in use in the States after they became obsolete in England ("gotten" being an example).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kostaki mou (talk • contribs) 22:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Hmm, Americanisms of old are a part of our speech though - so we wouldn't be as concerned over them, though i'd doubt there are many true Americanisms that have not remained in England without dying out, gotten has always been used in the region i'm from as have many many obselete words, pronunciations and grammatical errors that no longer exists in the US and indeed a good 90% of England. Ass remains a blantant Americanism though and only kids or people impersonating an American would use it. Gazh (talk) 11:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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problems in "Modern semantics"
Apparently the pronunciation "ass" instead of "arse" is not a euphemism due to US prudishness, as a common urban legend claims. It in fact developed before the existence of the American colonies and is part of a linguistic process that can be observed in many other words too (e.g. burst/bust, curse/cuss, horse/hoss, barse/bass). The main cause seems to have been the arrival of non-rhotic pronunciation that made "arse" sound like "ass". Some of these changes happened as early as in late Middle English, when barse became bass, for example. "Bust" in the sense and pronunciation derived from "burst" was specifically a US invention, which happened in the mid 18th century (New Oxford), so it seems that r dropping was pretty normal in US English at the time. I always thought r dropping was a UK specialty and never happened in the American colonies, so I'll have to look for info about when that development stopped and reversed in the US since Rhotic and non-rhotic accents provides no info on this.

It would seem that it's pretty important that "arse" was rarely seen and mostly heard. This could perhaps explain why the apparent reversal of r dropping that happened in the US in other words didn't affect a word that sounded like it didn't have an r (anymore).

The euphemism related to ass/arse is elsewhere, in the use of "donkey" instead of "ass", but this seems to have been a mostly or entirely British development predating the existence or the linguistic independence of the American colonies. Since "ass" had already been replaced by "donkey" for a long time in English, US Americans could use it to unequivocally refer to the pejorative senses of donkey and buttocks.

Both this WP article and the etymology dictionary in the references have some illogical statements that are apparently simple confusions and sloppiness: 1) The dictionary says "ass (2) ...from Amer.Eng. pronunciation of arse", but that makes no sense, since r dropping was no doubt not more common in the American colonies than in the UK.

2) Instead of

"Although before World War I they were similar, the English pronunciations of "ass" /æs/ and "arse" /ɑːs/ are now quite different apart from in American English speaking countries, although arse is commonly used in Atlantic Canada, west of the Ottawa river, ass is more idiomatic."

is this what is meant?:

Although before World War I they were similar, the British English pronunciations of "ass" /æs/ and "arse" /ɑːs/ are now quite different. In American English, they were also pronounced quite similarly in the past when non-rhotic pronunciation ("r dropping") was more common. Since "ass" was replaced by "donkey" (in both UK and US English), it became possible for US Americans to use "ass" only for the pejorative meanings of both words. Although "arse" is commonly used in Atlantic Canada, "ass" is more idiomatic west of the Ottawa river. --Espoo 14:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Pooterus
I can's find any supporting reference for the inclusion if this term. If anyone can, please list it rather than simply inserting it again. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 22:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Etymology
"which meaning ass" Apart from the poor English here, the wikilink on 'ass' is to a disambiguation page.116.28.1.191 (talk) 01:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Redirect to Arse (disambiguation)
My redirection of this page to Arse (disambiguation) was reverted with a request for discussion. This article is nothing more than a dictionary entry, containing definition, etymology, and usage notes. There is nothing encyclopedic here that isn't already covered in Buttocks. Note that we do not have an article for the American equivalent, "Ass" (it's a disambiguation page). Powers T 18:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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Ice hockey at the 1972 Winter Olympics

The men's ice hockey tournament at the 1972 Winter Olympics in Sapporo, Japan, was the 12th Olympic Championship. Games were held at the Makomanai Ice Arena and at the Tsukisamu Indoor Skating Rink. The Soviet Union won its fourth gold medal. The United States won the silver, while Czechoslovakia won the bronze. Canada did not send a team to the event for the first time since ice hockey was first competed at the Olympics in 1920, instead competing with and defeating the Soviets in a competition later that year known as the Summit Series. Canada would not send a men's hockey team to the Olympics until 1980.

Team Canada
For the first time since ice hockey was introduced at the Olympic Games in 1920, Canada did not send a team to the 1972 Olympics after Canadian Minister of Health and Welfare John Munro announced the withdrawal of the team from all international competitions in response to the International Ice Hockey Federation opposition to allowing professional players at international competitions. Canadian officials were frustrated that their best players, competing in the National Hockey League, were prevented from playing while Soviet players, who were "employees" of the industrial or military organizations that fielded "amateur" teams, were allowed to compete. At that point, the Canadian men's ice hockey team was the most successful team in the world, having won six of the eleven tournaments previously competed, with medals in ten of the eleven tournaments (and a controversial post-tournament rule change denying them a perfect eleven medals). Canada would not compete internationally in hockey until 1977, when the IIHF adopted eligibility rules that allowed for professional players to compete. Instead of competing internationally at the Olympics, Canadian officials helped organize a series of games against the Soviet Union in 1972 known as the Summit Series.

Team USA
While the 1980 team had the celebrated "Miracle on Ice" and the 1960 US team had the "Forgotten Miracle", the 1972 team could be called the "completely overlooked miracle." The U.S. team was expected to finish 5th behind the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Sweden, and Finland. The Soviet and Czech teams were especially powerful as there was no distinction between amateurs and pros in communist countries; these teams were made up of seasoned professionals and were ranked 1 & 2 in the world. Valeri Kharlamov of the Soviet Union was considered one of the world's best players and experts agree he would have been a star in the NHL. The same can be said for Soviet goaltender Vladislav Tretiak. In fact, this was basically the same Soviet Team that played a Canadian team composed of NHL All Stars in the 1972 Summit Series that Canada narrowly won, 4–3–1.

After qualifying for Group A by beating Switzerland 5–3, the U.S. lost as expected to Sweden, 5–1. Then they pulled off the upset of the tournament when they beat Czechoslovakia, 5–1. This surprising result was nearly as astonishing as the wins over the Soviets in 1960 and 1980. After losing as expected to the Soviet Union, the young Americans upset Finland. In the final games of the competition, the U.S. beat Poland while Finland beat Sweden and the Soviets beat the Czechs (in the game that decided the gold medal); those results boosted the U.S. from 4th to 2nd for an unexpected silver medal.

First round
Fourteen nations qualified, but East Germany, Romania and France all chose not to travel for primarily financial reasons. The remaining eleven nations were seeded according to their placement in the 1971 World Championships with first place (USSR) and the five winners to play in Group A to for 1st–6th places. The five losers played in Group B for 7th–11th places. 1971 ranking appears in parentheses.

 * 3 February
 * Japan (11th) 2–8 Czechoslovakia (2nd)
 * Sweden (3rd) 8–1 Yugoslavia (12th)
 * 4 February
 * USA (6th) 5–3 Switzerland (7th)
 * Poland (8th) 4–0 West Germany (5th)
 * Finland (4th) 13–1 Norway (10th)

Final round
First place team wins gold, second silver and third bronze.

 * 5 February
 * Sweden 5–1 USA
 * Czechoslovakia 14–1 Poland
 * USSR 9–3 Finland
 * 7 February
 * USSR 3–3 Sweden
 * USA 5–1 Czechoslovakia
 * Finland 5–1 Poland
 * 8 February
 * Czechoslovakia 7–1 Finland
 * 9 February
 * Sweden 5–3 Poland
 * USSR 7–2 USA
 * 10 February
 * USSR 9–3 Poland
 * Czechoslovakia 2–1 Sweden
 * USA 4–1 Finland
 * 12 February
 * USA 6–1 Poland
 * 13 February
 * Finland 4–3 Sweden
 * USSR 5–2 Czechoslovakia

Consolation Round
Teams, which lost their games in the qualification round, played in this group.

 * 6 February
 * Norway 5–2 Yugoslavia
 * West Germany 5–0 Switzerland
 * 7 February
 * Japan 3–3 Switzerland
 * West Germany 6–2 Yugoslavia
 * 9 February
 * Japan 3–2 Yugoslavia
 * West Germany 5–1 Norway
 * 10 February
 * Japan 4–5 Norway
 * Switzerland 3–3 Yugoslavia
 * 12 February
 * Japan 7–6 West Germany
 * Norway 5–3 Switzerland

Average age
Gold medalists team USSR was the oldest team in the tournament, averaging 26 years and 4 months. Team USA was the youngest team in the tournament, averaging 23 years and 3 months. Tournament average was 25 years and 3 months.

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I don't see how this could ever fit in but there is a nice comment in Some Dreamers of a Golden Dream which appears in Slouching Towards Bethlehem by Joan Didion (Joan Didion 1968 ISBN 0140037438), she is describing the San Bernardino valley, east of San Francisco and says:
 * "This is the country in which a belief in the literal interpretation of Genisis has slipped impercerceptiby into a belief in the literal interpretation of Double Indemnity . . ." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notjim (talk • contribs) 22:47, 13 April 2005 (UTC)

Writing credits
"Three of a Kind" not the title of a single novella, but the title of the collection of three novellas which contained the original Double Indemnity, so I've changed the writing credits here to reflect that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.227.211 (talk) 03:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Woody Allen's greatest.
I thought I remembered having this discussion before, but perhaps I'm suffering from deja vu. The closest thing I have really found from what seemed to be a credible source was him saying that it was "Billy Wilder's best movie... practically anybody's best movie." Other than that, it has been shown on IMDB and rotton tomatoes, and I don't know how reliable those are. I am yet to find a primary source though. I'll keep checking. -- LV (Dark Mark)  19:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, more: I found "Double Indemnity is one of my all-time favourite films..." . I found another secondary source for his "greatest ever" line, but nothing substantial yet. But I don't doubt we can agree that he really, really likes it. ;-) Perhaps more to come later. -- LV (Dark Mark)  20:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Elements of film noir" section removed
I have removed the section title "Elements of film noir" as it is entirely unsourced and original research. Do not readd this to the article without citing sources. The content removed is as follows: - kollision (talk) 08:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel Wiki (talk • contribs) 08:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

"Remake" section removed...
I have removed the section titled "Remake" as it is entirely unsourced and original research. Do not readd this to the article without citing sources. It is still there, albeit as an invisible note. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Victor Schertzinger
Does anyone know why Victor Schertzinger is given a "Music by" credit for this film? Everything I have read does not list him as having anything to do with this picture. In addition, he died in 1941, two years before it even went into production. The only other person I have seen connected with the music for Double Indemnity is Cesar Franck as the composer for some of the underlying music used by Rozsa in composing the score. I will be doing some more research for a music section in the article and see if his name pops up, but for now I am going to remove him unless somebody has a credible source for his inclusion.Dohhh22 (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess it was added due to Schertzinger being a composer for a song called "Tangerine" which was apparently used in the film, according to IMDb. That, however, does not entitled him to a "Music by" credit in the infobox so you were right to removed it from the infobox. - Kollision (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I see it now. The song was actually playing on the radio at the Dietrichson house. Definitely not a "music by" credit. Thanks for the input.Dohhh22 (talk) 15:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

References to use

 * Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik (talk • contribs) 17:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks!Trumpetrep (talk) 04:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Anachronism about Red Scare and American Writers Authority
The article, as written, claims "This was, however, the depth of the Red Scare in Hollywood and Guild members rejected the socialist notion and ran from the attempt. "

Surely the "depth of the Red Scare" and the referenced McCarthyism was in the 1950s, during the so-called Army/McCarthy Hearings.

Few even knew who McCarthy was in early summer of 1946, when Cain proposed the American Writers Authority; McCarthy was not even seated in the Senate until the following year. In addition, American relations with the Soviet Union were still fairly good if not excellent in June 1946; the war, after all, had been over for less than a year. Stalin had not yet installed Communist governments in the countries he had occupied as a result of the War, the Russians did not yet have the bomb, Masaryk had not yet been defenestrated, the blockade of West Berlin had not been instituted, China had not yet been "lost;" in short, none of the things which historians often (usually?) argue caused the American public to so deeply fear and mistrust Soviet Communism had happened yet.

In addition, it is misleading to speak of "the Red Scare" as though there was only one; for example, there was a big "Bolshevism Scare" in America in the nineteen twenties (The Wall Street Bombing, Sacco and Vanzetti, etc.)

On the other hand, the Wikipedia article on the American Writers Association makes it clear that the specter of Soviet Communism was freely used in arguments against James M. Cain's idea for the Writers Authority. And there can be little doubt that nascent post-war anti-Communism did play a role in McCarthy's victory over Robert Lafollette Jr., and was otherwise stirring in 1946.

Therefore, propose changing the language in question to something along the lines of "However, there was a persistent element of anti-Communism in Hollywood, even in the afterglow of US/Soviet cooperation in the recent war effort (this element would shortly play a role in the Post-WW II Red Scare), and Guild members rejected the idea as "socialist" and ran from the attempt," and will do so in a few days if no one objects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.72.24 (talk) 01:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, the language is very unclear, and the cited source contains nothing to support the idea that the Red Scare was to blame. Will look for sources.Trumpetrep (talk) 04:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Plot
The plot has a number of errors in it. It makes me wonder if the writer of the plot actually watched the film.

For example, Neff was not aware of Ms. Dietrichson's plans until the second time they meet, which is in her home, not at his office. This is an important plot point; it establishes that, despite his years as an insurance salesman, he is still somewhat naive. William J Bean (talk) 17:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm responsible for a good chunk of the latest version of the plot. The synopsis makes it clear that Neff told her he wanted no part of what he guessed were her plans at her home, not at his office. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 25 August 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Double Indemnity. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 21:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Double Indemnity (film) → Double Indemnity (1944 film) – This main header's parenthetical qualifier has had the form of incomplete disambiguation since the March 2019 creation of Double Indemnity (1973 film). Double Indemnity (film) should be a redirect to the Double indemnity (disambiguation) page which has as its WP:PRIMARYTOPIC the stub describing an insurance policy provision. The nomination appears to be an uncontroversial technical request but, since previous requests for further disambiguation of iconic titles have encountered opposition, it seems best to put it on record in the event the 1944 film or the book are proposed as alternative primary topics. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:57, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NCF.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Move back to Double Indemnity, article's original title, per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. The classic film gets |Double_Indemnity_(1973_film)|Double_Indemnity_(novel)|Double_indemnity_(disambiguation)|Double_indemnity 90% of the pageviews for the capitalized title, and 80% even if you include double indemnity. In any case, oppose unnecessarily adding a year. Station1 (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If consensus skews towards Double Indemnity (film) → Double Indemnity [which currently serves as a redirect to Double indemnity (disambiguation)], I would also support such an alternative as well as supporting Double indemnity → Double indemnity (insurance provision). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:05, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

 * I would prefer alternative the proposal above to move the page back to Double Indemnity, as it appears to be a clear primary topic by both page views and long term significance for the title case version. If we do not do that move though, then I would support the nomination to address the issue of incomplete disambiguation.--Yaksar (let's chat) 23:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a better solution to move the 1944 film to the base title. I'll drop a note at WT:FILM for more input.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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suggested tiny edit
there's a section in 'release' about the "most important words in motion-picture history", relating to wilder's ad in the trade papers & selznick's reaction to being mimicked, then in the 'reviews' section beneath, we read that hitchcock wrote to wilder using a similar construction, presumably a humorous call-back to this.

wouldn't it make more sense if the hitchcock story was alongside the selznick anecdote in the 'release' section? it's not clear that it was a 'review', as such, if it was in a letter to wilder, & in any case, it is obviously a reference to the trade ads taken out by selznick.

duncanrmi (talk) 20:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Bradbury Building
I walked past downtown Los Angeles's Bradbury Building this weekend and heard a tour guide concluding a speech with the "fact" that the opening and closing scenes of Double Indemnity are set or shot in the Bradbury Building, which made me wince in the same way I do when I read it on Wikipedia or the sources usually claimed, like tourist blogs, or, I think perhaps the source prime source of the concept, a 1990s LA Times article. Actual close viewing of the movie will show that this is not the case (not did Wilder/the studio ever claim such).

Fred MacMurray's insurance agent character works in an office building on Olive Street (they say so by name in the final scene, and when they have a meeting with the boss you can see the Security Building across Pershing Square in his window). His building has a separate lobby (opening scene), then an elevator lobby of only one story (with visible ceiling) that then goes from two doors into a larger atrium of offices surrounding a central typing pool.

This is a set that was inspired by Paramount's corporate parent headquarters in New York City. I believe MacMurray's office being placed on Olive at the south end of Pershing Square is intentional, because it's the home of the Pacific Mutual insurance complex, which would have been well known as a landmark in that business in central Los Angeles at the time.

https://calisphere.org/item/0adad9be01b5966d1738d2c3589e8c54/

https://dtla-weekly.com/monuments-time-pacific-mutual-life-insurance-building/

That first shot when he does out into the open plan does resemble the Bradbury's interior briefly, but it's more rectangular, much larger, only two stories, and does not contain the Bradbury's distinctive iron pipework and elevators.

Looking at the office pool sets in the actual movie demonstrates the dissimilarity to the Bradbury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_jjQ_idz8 (about 1:00)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41brxmagh3A. (around 8:50) 2603:8000:C003:AA29:8DF7:AC85:4391:B8D2 (talk) 02:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Sources & Citations
There are excellent sources for this article, but they are used and cited in a shambolic format. Content is repeated, sometimes in different sections. The same source is given different reference names. The result is thousands of characters of bloat on the article, and some extremely clumsy prose. I am cleaning things up. There were 103 footnotes when I started. Just by eliminating the duplicate citations, I've whittled that down to 69. Any help would be great. Trumpetrep (talk) 04:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The article is now down to 50 citations and has been trimmed from 73k bytes to 50k. I've streamlined a lot of the diversions in the text, and eliminated a great deal of material that belongs elsewhere.Trumpetrep (talk) 06:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Dewald Pretorius

Dewald Pretorius (born 6 December 1977) is a South African cricketer. He is a right-arm fast bowler who debuted for the South Africa national cricket team in the second Test against Australia during the 2001/2002 series. He has not featured regularly for his country and has played only four Tests, last appearing in the fourth Test against England in 2003. Pretorius has also played, at county level, for the English sides Durham and Warwickshire, where he recorded career best List A figures of five wickets for 32 runs against Kent.

Pretorius achieved some notoriety during UK coverage of South Africa's 2003 Test series with England, because of his rather difficult and troubled childhood. The high point of his career came in the first Test of that tour (Pretorius' second Test), when in successive overs during a hostile spell he removed Michael Vaughan caught behind for 156 and clean bowled Alec Stewart for 38 with an in-swinging yorker, en route to career-best Test innings figures of 4–115.

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Cleveland Stokers

The Cleveland Stokers were a soccer team based in Cleveland, Ohio that played in the United Soccer Association during 1967 and the North American Soccer League in 1968. Their home field was Cleveland Stadium.

United Soccer Association
In 1966 a group of United States and Canadian sports entrepreneurs, led by Jack Kent Cooke, formed the United Soccer Association with the intention of organizing a professional soccer league. The USA originally intended to launch its league in the spring of 1968. However a rival league, the National Professional Soccer League, announced it was ready to launch in 1967. Not wanting to lose ground to its rival, the USA decided to fast track its launch. Without any players of its own, it opted to import whole teams from Europe and South America. It was intended that these teams would represent the franchises during the inaugural season, giving them time to build their own squads for the following season. Stoke City, who played in the Football League First Division subsequently represented the Cleveland, Ohio franchise.

The traveling Stoke party included the likes of Gordon Banks, Peter Dobing, George Eastham, Maurice Setters and Roy Vernon as well as manager Tony Waddington. The team started well going undefeated in their first seven matches defeating Washington Whips 2–1, Boston Rovers 1–0, San Francisco Golden Gate Gales and Dallas Tornado both 4–1. They then suffered back to back 2–1 defeats to New York Skyliners and Houston Stars before a 2–0 win over Toronto City put them back on track for a play-off place. However a goalless draw with Detroit Cougars and a 3–1 defeat in the final match against Vancouver Royals saw the Stokers miss out on a play-off spot by a single point.

NASL
Following the 1967 season, the USA merged with the National Professional Soccer League to form the North American Soccer League with the teams from the former USA having to create their rosters from scratch. The franchise was originally acquired by Cleveland Indians baseball club principal owner Vernon Stouffer and club president Gabe Paul in August 1966. They sold the Stokers to a group led by Cleveland attorney Howard Metzenbaum and business partner, Alva "Ted" Bonda, the first week of January 1968.

In assembling a team of their own, the new owners acquired the bulk of the starting line-up from the 1967 NPSL Philadelphia Spartans franchise, which would not participate in the NASL in 1968. The new Stokers won their division and fully intended on continuing operation. However, a difference in business philosophy with the five surviving NASL franchises saw the Stokers stay dormant in 1969. They did host an exhibition featuring a number of Stokers and NASL "all-stars" versus a West German opponent, which drew well, and fostered some hope, but Metzenbaum and Bonda remained unhappy with the NASL budgetary restraints, and announced the end of the Stokers in November 1969. The 1968 Stokers won their division after a tight race with the talented Chicago Mustangs.

In the conference championships, they were defeated in sudden-death overtime by the eventual champion Atlanta Chiefs. But the highlight of the club's existence occurred on July 10, 1968, at Cleveland Municipal Stadium, when they hosted and defeated the soccer world's top-ranked professional team, Santos of Brazil, featuring Pelé. Keeper Paul Shardlow preserved the 2–1 upset by saving a penalty kick. Unfortunately, Shardlow, leased from Stoke City, collapsed and died of a heart attack whilst training in England in October 1968, after the completion of the Stokers' season.

Those who represented the Stokers so well in the field during 1968 included Rubén Navarro, a world-class defender who made numerous national-team appearances with Argentina, his native land - where his name and play remain legendary - and Enrique Mateos, a veteran goal scorer from Spain - part of the powerful Real Madrid dynasty of the late 1950s. Stoker performers familiar to modern-day North American fans include John Best (later Seattle coach and Vancouver GM), and Roy Turner (later Dallas Tornado iron-man and then long-time coach of the indoor Wichita Wings). Peter Short and Hank Liotart also enjoyed long U.S. soccer careers following their season in Cleveland.

Stokers' head coach Norman Low returned to England and did scouting. He later briefly scouted for the ASL Cleveland Cobras. Metzenbaum embarked on a high-profile political career, while Bonda became a prominent Cleveland figure in education, business, and sports.

Honors
Division titles
 * 1968: NASL Lakes Division

First team All-Star Selections
 * 1967: Peter Dobing, George Eastham, Roy Vernon
 * 1968: Rubén Navarro

Second team All-Star Selections
 * 1967: Gordon Banks, Eric Skeels, John Moore
 * 1968: Enrique Mateos

Hall of Fame members
 * Indoor Soccer: Roy Turner

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Second moment of area

The second moment of area, or second area moment, or quadratic moment of area and also known as the area moment of inertia, is a geometrical property of an area which reflects how its points are distributed with regard to an arbitrary axis. The second moment of area is typically denoted with either an $$I$$ (for an axis that lies in the plane of the area) or with a $$J$$ (for an axis perpendicular to the plane). In both cases, it is calculated with a multiple integral over the object in question. Its dimension is L (length) to the fourth power. Its unit of dimension, when working with the International System of Units, is meters to the fourth power, m4, or inches to the fourth power, in4, when working in the Imperial System of Units or the US customary system.

In structural engineering, the second moment of area of a beam is an important property used in the calculation of the beam's deflection and the calculation of stress caused by a moment applied to the beam. In order to maximize the second moment of area, a large fraction of the cross-sectional area of an I-beam is located at the maximum possible distance from the centroid of the I-beam's cross-section. The planar second moment of area provides insight into a beam's resistance to bending due to an applied moment, force, or distributed load perpendicular to its neutral axis, as a function of its shape. The polar second moment of area provides insight into a beam's resistance to torsional deflection, due to an applied moment parallel to its cross-section, as a function of its shape.

Different disciplines use the term moment of inertia (MOI) to refer to different moments. It may refer to either of the planar second moments of area (often $I_x = \iint_{R} y^2\, dA$ or $I_y = \iint_{R} x^2\, dA,$  with respect to some reference plane), or the polar second moment of area ($ I = \iint_{R} r^2\, dA $, where r is the distance to some reference axis). In each case the integral is over all the infinitesimal elements of area, dA, in some two-dimensional cross-section. In physics, moment of inertia is strictly the second moment of mass with respect to distance from an axis: $ I = \int_{Q} r^2 dm $, where r is the distance to some potential rotation axis, and the integral is over all the infinitesimal elements of mass, dm, in a three-dimensional space occupied by an object $Q$. The MOI, in this sense, is the analog of mass for rotational problems. In engineering (especially mechanical and civil), moment of inertia commonly refers to the second moment of the area.

Definition

The second moment of area for an arbitrary shape $R$ with respect to an arbitrary axis $$BB'$$ ($$BB'$$ axis is not drawn in the adjacent image; is an axis coplanar with x and y axes and is perpendicular to the line segment $$\rho$$) is defined as $$J_{BB'} = \iint_{R} {\rho}^2 \, dA$$ where
 * $$dA$$ is the infinitesimal area element, and
 * $$\rho$$ is the distance from the $$BB'$$ axis.

For example, when the desired reference axis is the x-axis, the second moment of area $$I_{xx}$$ (often denoted as $$I_x$$) can be computed in Cartesian coordinates as

$$I_{x} = \iint_{R} y^2\, dx\, dy$$

The second moment of the area is crucial in Euler–Bernoulli theory of slender beams.

Product moment of area
More generally, the product moment of area is defined as $$I_{xy} = \iint_{R} yx\, dx\, dy$$

Parallel axis theorem

It is sometimes necessary to calculate the second moment of area of a shape with respect to an $$x'$$ axis different to the centroidal axis of the shape. However, it is often easier to derive the second moment of area with respect to its centroidal axis, $$x$$, and use the parallel axis theorem to derive the second moment of area with respect to the $$x'$$ axis. The parallel axis theorem states $$I_{x'} = I_x + A d^2$$ where
 * $$A$$ is the area of the shape, and
 * $$d$$ is the perpendicular distance between the $$x$$ and $$x'$$ axes.

A similar statement can be made about a $$y'$$ axis and the parallel centroidal $$y$$ axis. Or, in general, any centroidal $$B$$ axis and a parallel $$B'$$ axis.

Perpendicular axis theorem
For the simplicity of calculation, it is often desired to define the polar moment of area (with respect to a perpendicular axis) in terms of two area moments of inertia (both with respect to in-plane axes). The simplest case relates $$J_z$$ to $$I_x$$ and $$I_y$$.

$$J_z = \iint_{R} \rho^2\, dA = \iint_{R} \left(x^2 + y^2\right) dA = \iint_{R} x^2 \, dA + \iint_{R} y^2 \, dA = I_x + I_y$$

This relationship relies on the Pythagorean theorem which relates $$x$$ and $$y$$ to $$\rho$$ and on the linearity of integration.

Composite shapes
For more complex areas, it is often easier to divide the area into a series of "simpler" shapes. The second moment of area for the entire shape is the sum of the second moment of areas of all of its parts about a common axis. This can include shapes that are "missing" (i.e. holes, hollow shapes, etc.), in which case the second moment of area of the "missing" areas are subtracted, rather than added. In other words, the second moment of area of "missing" parts are considered negative for the method of composite shapes.

Examples
See list of second moments of area for other shapes.

Rectangle with centroid at the origin
Consider a rectangle with base $$b$$ and height $$h$$ whose centroid is located at the origin. $$I_x$$ represents the second moment of area with respect to the x-axis; $$I_y$$ represents the second moment of area with respect to the y-axis; $$J_z$$ represents the polar moment of inertia with respect to the z-axis.

$$\begin{align} I_x &= \iint_{R} y^2\, dA = \int^\frac{b}{2}_{-\frac{b}{2}} \int^\frac{h}{2}_{-\frac{h}{2}} y^2 \,dy \,dx = \int^\frac{b}{2}_{-\frac{b}{2}} \frac{1}{3}\frac{h^3}{4}\,dx = \frac{b h^3}{12} \\ I_y &= \iint_{R} x^2\, dA = \int^\frac{b}{2}_{-\frac{b}{2}} \int^\frac{h}{2}_{-\frac{h}{2}} x^2 \,dy \,dx = \int^\frac{b}{2}_{-\frac{b}{2}} h x^2\, dx = \frac{b^3 h}{12} \end{align}$$

Using the perpendicular axis theorem we get the value of $$J_z$$.

$$J_z = I_x + I_y = \frac{b h^3}{12} + \frac{h b^3}{12} = \frac{b h}{12}\left(b^2 + h^2\right)$$

Annulus centered at origin

Consider an annulus whose center is at the origin, outside radius is $$r_2$$, and inside radius is $$r_1$$. Because of the symmetry of the annulus, the centroid also lies at the origin. We can determine the polar moment of inertia, $$J_z$$, about the $$z$$ axis by the method of composite shapes. This polar moment of inertia is equivalent to the polar moment of inertia of a circle with radius $$r_2$$ minus the polar moment of inertia of a circle with radius $$r_1$$, both centered at the origin. First, let us derive the polar moment of inertia of a circle with radius $$r$$ with respect to the origin. In this case, it is easier to directly calculate $$J_z$$ as we already have $$r^2$$, which has both an $$x$$ and $$y$$ component. Instead of obtaining the second moment of area from Cartesian coordinates as done in the previous section, we shall calculate $$I_x$$ and $$J_z$$ directly using polar coordinates.

$$\begin{align} I_{x, \text{circle}} &= \iint_{R} y^2\,dA = \iint_{R} \left(r\sin{\theta}\right)^2\, dA = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^r \left(r\sin{\theta}\right)^2\left(r \, dr \, d\theta\right) \\ &= \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^r r^3\sin^2{\theta}\,dr \, d\theta = \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{r^4\sin^2{\theta}}{4}\,d\theta = \frac{\pi}{4}r^4 \\

J_{z, \text{circle}} &= \iint_{R} r^2\, dA = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^r r^2\left(r\,dr\,d\theta\right) = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^r r^3\,dr\,d\theta \\ &= \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{r^4}{4}\,d\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}r^4 \end{align}$$

Now, the polar moment of inertia about the $$z$$ axis for an annulus is simply, as stated above, the difference of the second moments of area of a circle with radius $$r_2$$ and a circle with radius $$r_1$$.

$$J_z = J_{z, r_2} - J_{z, r_1} = \frac{\pi}{2}r_2^4 - \frac{\pi}{2}r_1^4 = \frac{\pi}{2}\left(r_2^4 - r_1^4\right)$$

Alternatively, we could change the limits on the $$dr$$ integral the first time around to reflect the fact that there is a hole. This would be done like this.

$$\begin{align} J_{z} &= \iint_{R} r^2 \, dA = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_{r_1}^{r_2} r^2\left(r\, dr\, d\theta\right) = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_{r_1}^{r_2} r^3\, dr\, d\theta \\ &= \int_0^{2\pi}\left[\frac{r_2^4}{4} - \frac{r_1^4}{4}\right]\, d\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}\left(r_2^4 - r_1^4\right) \end{align}$$

Any polygon

The second moment of area about the origin for any simple polygon on the XY-plane can be computed in general by summing contributions from each segment of the polygon after dividing the area into a set of triangles. This formula is related to the shoelace formula and can be considered a special case of Green's theorem.

A polygon is assumed to have $$n$$ vertices, numbered in counter-clockwise fashion. If polygon vertices are numbered clockwise, returned values will be negative, but absolute values will be correct.

$$\begin{align} I_y &= \frac{1}{12}\sum_{i=1}^{n} \left( x_i y_{i+1} - x_{i+1} y_i\right)\left( x_i^2 + x_i x_{i+1} + x_{i+1}^2 \right) \\    I_x &= \frac{1}{12}\sum_{i=1}^{n} \left( x_i y_{i+1} - x_{i+1} y_i\right)\left( y_i^2 + y_i y_{i+1} + y_{i+1}^2 \right) \\ I_{xy} &= \frac{1}{24}\sum_{i=1}^{n} \left( x_i y_{i+1} - x_{i+1} y_i\right) \left( x_i y_{i+1} + 2 x_i y_i + 2 x_{i+1} y_{i+1} + x_{i+1} y_i \right) \end{align}$$

where $$x_i,y_i$$ are the coordinates of the $$i$$-th polygon vertex, for $$1 \le i \le n$$. Also, $$x_{n+1}, y_{n+1}$$ are assumed to be equal to the coordinates of the first vertex, i.e., $$x_{n+1} = x_1$$ and $$y_{n+1} = y_1$$.

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USS Snook

USS Snook has been the name of more than one United States Navy ship, and may refer to:

 * USS Snook (SS-279), a submarine commissioned in 1942 and lost in 1945
 * USS Snook (SSN-592), a submarine in commission from 1961 to 1986

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Gerald Comeau

Gerald J. Comeau (February 1, 1946 – December 4, 2023) was a Canadian politician who served as a senator and as a member of Parliament.

Early life
Born in Meteghan Station, Nova Scotia, Comeau was an accountant by training. Comeau received his B.Comm and his B.Ed from the Université de Moncton.

Comeau was a member of Nova Scotia's Acadian minority.

Political career
Comeau was elected to the House of Commons of Canada as part of the Progressive Conservative landslide win in the 1984 election. The member of Parliament for South West Nova, Comeau was a government backbencher throughout his term and was defeated in the 1988 election due in part to the unpopularity of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in Atlantic Canada.

In 1990, Comeau was appointed to the Senate by Governor General Ray Hnatyshyn, on the advice of Prime Minister Brian Mulroney. He sat as a Progressive Conservative until February 2004. He then became a Conservative Party senator after the merger of the Progressive Conservative and the Canadian Alliance parties. He served as deputy leader of the Government in the Senate from February 23, 2006 to May 24, 2011.

On January 19, 2013, Governor General David Johnston, on the advice of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, appointed Comeau to the Privy Council.

Comeau retired from the Senate on November 30, 2013, seven years before reaching the mandatory retirement age of 75.

Death
Comeau died from cancer at a hospital in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia on December 4, 2023, at the age of 77.

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Earl Holliman

Henry Earl Holliman (born September 11, 1928) is an American actor, animal-rights activist, and singer known for his many character roles in films, mostly Westerns and dramas, in the 1950s and 1960s. He won a Golden Globe Award for the film The Rainmaker (1956) and portrayed Sergeant Bill Crowley on the television police drama Police Woman throughout its 1974–1978 run.

Early life and education
Holliman was born on September 11, 1928, in Delhi, Louisiana. His biological father William A. Frost was a farmer. His mother Mary Smith was living in poverty with several other children and gave him up for adoption at birth, while her other children were sent to orphanages until she could take them all back, which she did. Earl was the seventh of ten children overall and, in later years, he was able to reconnect and establish relationships with them. He was adopted a week after his birth by Henry Holliman, a traveling oilfield worker, and his wife Velma, a waitress, who then gave him the name Henry Earl Holliman. He was so frail in his infancy that one doctor predicted he would not live long enough to see childhood, but when Velma's sister provided him with a generous dose of castor oil shortly after, the ingredients proved to heal him tremendously and helped save his life. Although his upbringing and family history have strong ties to Louisiana, during his teenage years he and his family lived in Kerrville, Texas, for a time as well as some parts of Arkansas (which he once stated made him out to be a "red-blooded Ark-La-Texan" ).

Holliman's early years were normal until Henry died when he was 13. Earl credited Henry and Velma with providing him with so much love and encouragement that despite their own poverty they helped him in terms of looking deep within himself to discover his self-confidence in converting his dreams into reality. In addition, when he began his career in films, Velma was so supportive of him that she once even went to a theatre in Louisiana an hour before it opened just so she could be the first attendee present. She wanted to see him in his first major film appearance and to work with the theatre manager, show columnist, and a friend of the family to go through a vast set of stills for that particular movie so she could begin the composition of an album for him reflecting the start of his professional career as an actor.

Holliman saved money from his positions as an usher at the Strand Theatre, as a newsboy for the Shreveport Times,, and as a magician's assistant before he left Louisiana for Hollywood. After an unsuccessful first attempt finding work in the film industry, he soon returned to Louisiana after being in California for only one week. Meanwhile, Velma had remarried, and Holliman disliked his new stepfather Guy Bellotte so much that he lied about his age and enlisted in the United States Navy during World War II. Assigned to a Navy communications school in Los Angeles, Holliman spent his free time at the Hollywood Canteen, talking to stars who dropped by to support the servicemen and women. A year after his enlistment, the Navy discovered his real age and he was immediately discharged.

Holliman returned home, worked in the oilfields in his spare time, washed dishes at various restaurants, and after some attendance at Louisiana Avenue, Fair Park, and Byrd High School in Shreveport, completed his public education at Oil City High School in Oil City, graduating with high honors in 1946; while a student there, he also played right tackle on the school football team and served as senior-class president. After rejecting a scholarship to Louisiana State University, he re-enlisted in the Navy and was stationed in Norfolk, Virginia. Interested in acting, he was cast as the lead in several Norfolk Navy Theatre productions. When he left the Navy for good, he studied acting at the Pasadena Playhouse. He also graduated from the University of California, Los Angeles. During the time he studied acting at both the Playhouse and UCLA, he supplemented his income working as a file clerk for Blue Cross (later known as Blue Cross Blue Shield Association) and with North American Aviation constructing airplanes.

Film
While at the Pasadena Playhouse, Holliman entered the Paramount lot by claiming he had an appointment with a studio barber. Eventually he became friendly with studio executives. Holliman first got a small bit part opposite Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis in Scared Stiff (1953). Next he was cast as a marine in The Girls of Pleasure Island (1953), for which he needed a G.I. haircut. Finally he saw the barber and ended up with a haircut (and bangs) that changed his life.

After he gained popularity in his image following a change in hairstyle, he then followed with three more films released in 1953. His many credits include: Broken Lance (1954), The Bridges at Toko-Ri (1954), The Big Combo (1955), I Died a Thousand Times (1955), Forbidden Planet (1956), Giant (1956), The Rainmaker (1956), Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957), Don't Go Near the Water (1957), Hot Spell (1958), The Trap (1959), Last Train from Gun Hill (1959), Visit to a Small Planet (1960), Armored Command (1961), The Sons of Katie Elder (1965), Anzio (1968), The Desperate Mission (1969), Smoke (1970), The Biscuit Eater (1972), The Solitary Man (1979), Sharky's Machine (1981) and Gunsmoke: Return to Dodge (1987).

Holliman played a doomed helicopter crewman in the William Holden war drama The Bridges at Toko-Ri and a gangster's double-crossed thug in The Big Combo. He co-starred with Jack Palance in the crime drama I Died a Thousand Times (1955), a remake of High Sierra. He starred in The Rainmaker (1956), opposite Katharine Hepburn and Burt Lancaster, playing a rancher's timid son, who finally must defy his brother to gain self-respect, for which he won the Golden Globe Award for Best Supporting Actor – Motion Picture; he was cast in the role instead of Elvis Presley. His role in Rainmaker brought him such praise that columnist Louella Parsons cited him being "as dedicated as though he were Marlon Brando and Anthony Perkins combined".

He was the soft-spoken son-in-law of rancher Bick Benedict, played by Rock Hudson, in the epic Western saga Giant. Holliman played many roles set in the American West. He was Wyatt Earp's deputy in Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, co-starring Lancaster and Douglas, and a sniveling coward guilty of murdering and raping the wife of a lawman (Kirk Douglas) in Last Train from Gun Hill. He played a drunken deputy sheriff whose brother Richard Widmark returns to town in a modern-day Western, The Trap (1959), and the brother of John Wayne, Dean Martin, and Michael Anderson Jr., out to avenge their murdered father, in a traditional Western, The Sons of Katie Elder. He portrayed a corrupt Atlanta politician in the crime drama Sharky's Machine, directed by its star, Burt Reynolds.

Television
Holliman became known to television audiences through his portrayal as Sundance in CBS's Hotel de Paree, with costar Jeanette Nolan, from 1959 to 1960, and in the title role of Mitch Guthrie with Andrew Prine in NBC's Wide Country, a drama about modern rodeo performers that aired for 28 episodes between 1962 and 1963. He also had the distinction of appearing in the debut episode of CBS's The Twilight Zone, titled "Where Is Everybody?", which aired on October 2, 1959, the same night as the premiere of Hotel de Paree.

In 1962, Claude Akins and he guest-starred as a pair of feuding brothers in "The Stubborn Stumbos" episode of Marilyn Maxwell's ABC drama series Bus Stop. In 1965, he guest-starred on 12 O'Clock High as Lt. Steiger, a pilot who learns to appreciate life after being assigned a dangerous mission and winning the lottery. In 1967, Holliman guest-starred on Wayne Maunder's short-lived ABC military-Western series Custer. In 1970, Holliman starred in the TV movie Tribes as the antagonist Master Sergeant Frank DePayster, co-starring with Darren McGavin and Jan-Michael Vincent. In 1970 and 1971, Holliman made two appearances in the Western comedy series Alias Smith and Jones starring Pete Duel (né Deuel) and Ben Murphy.

From 1974 to 1978, he portrayed Sergeant Bill Crowley opposite Angie Dickinson in the Police Woman series. He co-starred in all 91 episodes of the hit series (which he later remarked changed his life), playing the police department superior of undercover officer Pepper Anderson. He later took part in The Dean Martin Celebrity Roast comedy roast of co-star Dickinson on August 2, 1977.

Holliman continued to appear in television guest roles throughout the 1970s to 1990s. He shared a starring role in the CBS movie Country Gold (a made for television remake of All About Eve), filmed on location in Nashville, Tennessee, which also featured Loni Anderson, Linda Hamilton, and Cooper Huckabee. He was also a regular celebrity panelist on The Hollywood Squares, where he was recognized for his ability to trick the contestants with believable bluff answers. His most notable role during this period was in the hit miniseries The Thorn Birds with Richard Chamberlain and Rachel Ward. He also took part in the Gunsmoke reunion movie Gunsmoke: Return to Dodge in 1987 as Jake Flagg, having guest-starred on the Gunsmoke TV series with James Arness three times between 1969 and 1973.

He was an occasional celebrity on the $25,000 and $100,000 Pyramid game shows between 1983 and 1991. In 1991 and 1994, Holliman had two guest-star roles on Murder, She Wrote, in the season-seven episode "Who Killed JB Fletcher?" and the season-10 episode, "Roadkill". From September 15, 1991, to January 4, 1992, he appeared in the lead role of Detective Matthew Durning on the CBS sitcom P.S. I Luv U (a role which he got due to his prominence in Police Woman two decades prior ) and after the series ended, he was then featured as a special guest in the season-six episode of In the Heat of the Night entitled "Last Rights" portraying Dr. Lambert, a man who had been a prime suspect in a string of mercy killings. In 1996, he was the guest voice of the character Milton in the season-six Captain Planet and the Planeteers episode, "Never the Twain Shall Meet". Later in his career, Holliman had a recurring role as Fred Duffy, the father of the title character Caroline Duffy, on Caroline in the City, appearing in three episodes, and he additionally starred in the 1997–99 television series Night Man as Frank Dominus, a disgraced former police officer and father of the main character.

Music
From 1958 to 1963, Holliman found a brief but successful career as a singer, and had a record deal with such notable recording studios as Capitol Records, Prep, and HiFi. His songs included: "A Teenager Sings the Blues", "Nobody Knows How I Feel", "Don't Get Around Much Anymore", "Sittin' and a Gabbin'", "If I Could See the World Through the Eyes of a Child", "La La La Lovable", "Wanna Kiss You To-Night", "I'm in the Mood for Love", "We Found Love", "Willingly", "There'll Be No Teardrops Tonight", and "Road to Nowhere". In May 1976, he guest-starred on The John Davidson Show singing a vaudeville-style version of "(Hey Won't You Play) Another Somebody Done Somebody Wrong Song" with Davidson, as well as performing his own solo version of The Carpenters track, "Rainy Days and Mondays".

Stage
After Wide Country ended its run in April 1963, Holliman spent the next two months traveling the country in the acclaimed musical Oklahoma! appearing in the lead role of Curly McLain. Later that same year, he appeared in the role of Mike Mitchell in the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, summer tour of Sunday in New York and at the Avondale Playhouse in Indianapolis, in The Country Girl in the role of Bernie Dodd opposite Lee Bowman and Julie Wilson. Between September 4 and September 9, 1963, he starred in a production of The Tender Trap, opposite Anthony George, in the role of Charlie Y. Reader at the Westchester County Playhouse in Dobbs Ferry, New York. In 1968, he starred in the Los Angeles Mark Taper Forum production of Tennessee Williams' Camino Real in the role of Kilroy; his performance was well received by critics and Williams himself not only came to see Earl's performance about 11 times, but he also sent him a correspondence praising his work in both Real and Streetcar as being "the best" interpretations of the characters "Kilroy" and "Mitch" he had even seen. In 1973, he performed as Mitch in a revival of ''A Streetcar Named Desire.

From September 15 to October 14, 1981, he starred in a stage production of Mister Roberts at the Fiesta Dinner Playhouse in San Antonio, Texas, of which he had ownership. He occasionally performed at his theater when he was not working in Hollywood; other productions in which he appeared there include Arsenic and Old Lace as Mortimer Brewster from April 1 to May 4, 1980, and Same Time, Next Year with Julie Sommars in 1983. The facility closed after 1987. He also appeared in stage productions of the 1973 revival of A Streetcar Named Desire as Mitch and the 1977 Santa Monica Civic production of A Chorus Line as Zach the Choreographer.

Personal life
In 1960, he lived in Paris, France in a flat on the Left Bank. Although he adopted the French culture and language quite rapidly, he maintained his reputation for being "as American as apple pie."

During the late 1970s, he served as the national honorary chairman for the Marine Toys for Tots Foundation. In 1976, he was the grand marshal of the Annual Fourth of July Parade in Huntington Beach, California.

He is a vegetarian and is against the exploitation of animals by using their fur for clothing.

Holliman supported the re-election of Dwight Eisenhower in the 1956 presidential election. He is of the Baptist faith.

Holliman is known for his work as an animal rights activist, including serving for more than 25 years as president of Actors and Others for Animals. He is well known for nursing animals on his own property, at one point feeding roughly 500 pigeons in a day, as well as healing a wounded dove and a blind opossum inside his home.

For many years, he was one of many in the film community to help organize meals during the Christmas season for the less fortunate at the Los Angeles Mission.

Holliman has been a longtime resident of Studio City, California.

Holliman has never been married and was seemingly outed by The Advocate in 2015. At one time, Holliman dated actresses Jane Fonda and Dolores Hart.

Awards and nominations
In addition to his Golden Globe Award for Best Supporting Actor – Motion Picture for The Rainmaker, he also earned a nomination for a Golden Globe Award for "Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Television Series" for his performance alongside Delta Burke in the short-lived 1992 sitcom Delta.

For his contributions to the television industry, Holliman has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame located at 6901 Hollywood Blvd.

Conflation with Anthony Earl Numkena
For several years, various sources erroneously reported that Earl Holliman's original name was Anthony Earl Numkena. In fact, Numkena was a child actor, born in 1942, who appeared in the film Pony Soldier (1952). Holliman is not in the film even though some sources claim he is.

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

user:Thryduulf/Internet/Self-destructive subcultures (proposed)
This is a subpage that was moved from the article space, after having not been worked on since late January. I think it is now extremly unlikely that it will receive further attention. This is not a speedy candidate as I am not the only person to have contributed to it, and the user page policy also says that matierial moved from a different namespace is specificaly not eligable for speedying anyway. See also Votes for deletion/Internet/Self-destructive subcultures (proposed) - the VfD that resulted in the move to my user space. Thryduulf 22:54, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.