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My position on the OBF 12/03
I am in the middle of editing the various Baha'i pages in order to attempt to find a way to include a link to the OBF where it needs to be, while making it clear that this is a small, heretical organizaition.

Much like I think that there is a valid claim that the Mormans can get a link on the Jesus page, or for that matter the Rastafarians.... the OBF, clearly 'gets a link' on the main baha'i and historical pagaes. That's my take. So, I'm trying to come up with language which does that in a responsible way. Rick Boatright 17:59, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

older OBF discussion
Hi Rick. I noticed in your comment about the Baha'u'llah page where you added "orthodox Baha'i" back in that you said "(Look people, the orthodox Baha'is are REAL quit trying to erase them.)". Problem is, the sentence says: "Bahá'u'lláh (November 12, 1817 - May 29, 1892) was the founder of the Bahá'í Faith". He wasn't the Founder of the orthodox Baha'is. That group was founded by someone who didn't understand the importance of the Covenent that He established to preserve the unity of the Baha'i Faith. An accurate reference to the orthodox Baha'is on the page for Baha'u'llah might be something like: "The members of orthodox Bahai also hold allegiance to Baha'u'llah."

Also, Very nice page on The Houses of Worship. I was wondering where you got the picture of the House of Worship in Ashkabad. I did a project on that building when I was in university and came across that photo in a very obscure book from Moscow. Is there annother source for it? Also as to: "why the Baha'is have only built 7 places of worship" it's not that complex. There really aren't any communal rituals in the Baha'i Faith, on priests, proscribed worship services, etc. As a result, other activities got higher priority for fund allocation. Heck, the Basilica in Bethlehem wasn't built till "[T]he first half of the fourth century A.D." (http://www.visit-palestine.com/bet/places/basilca.htm). So that the Baha'is have built 7 Houses of Worship worldwide isn't so much a "why only 7" but maybe even "already built 7". And, even though there are Baha'is in 200+ countries, we're spread pretty thin, with folks moving around in sort of missionary activities. But I don't think I need to tell you this. =-)

 * The problem is, that denying Baha'u'llah as the "founder" of the Orthodox Baha'is is like denying Jesus as the "founder" of Mormans as well as Catholics. Should the Catholics constantly be deleting all the references to Mormanism in the various christian pages?  Look,  I _DESPISE_ Joel Marangella.  What he did to the mind of poor Charles Mason Remey was disgusting and horrific, and his continuing flouting of the simple truth of God's Sacred Word is stomach turning.  BUT that doesn't mean that in a forum like Wikipedia we can wipe out their existance.

 * As to the HOW in Ashkabad, simple, there are a couple of SUPERB web sources, including a re-construction of the temple in 3d.  :-)

Rick Boatright

 * You're not talking about the 3d model I did as an independent study at UVa are you? That was probably the origin of the "web sources" and those were scanned from a book, probably the same "very obscure book from Moscow." At this point, I am a little embarrassed by the poor quality of that 3d reconstruction. "student project" and all that. I've actually asked the fellow who runs the Mediateque Baha'i website in France to take them down.Jlavezzo 22:28, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

CGd & the OBF edit dispute
Terrorism is a bit strong isn't it? I'm not sure its even vandalism as much as sheer bloody-mindedness. Please try and stay calm. Secretlondon 15:22, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC)

 * Ok, a bit strong. No question.  Fine.   I'm calm.  Look, it's like this....   I am a moderator of soc.religion.bahai.  I deal with issues regarding heresy and the like every day.  The simplistic answer of just attempting to delete the OBF from existance accomplishes _nothing_ the -explicit instructions of the administration of the Baha'i Faith is to "Leave them as found" when encountering the writings and mention of the heretical groups.  It's ANNOYING that _I_ have to be their defender here.   I'm -angry- at this person who keeps putting me into this position.   ---   Arrrgggghhhh   --  calm calm calm ...  Right.  Calm calm calm.  aaaauuuuuuummmmmmmmmm   :-)

CG'd: What is your definition of a Neutral Point of View? I could claim the United States is a fascist nation run by a president who was elected illegally. This statment, while exaggerated and biased, involves the same right you are trying to strictly enforce.

There is now way that you can objectively DEFINE a neutral point of view. What gives you the right to call the inclusion of the Orthodox Baha'is as a neutral view. In my opinion, which is corroborated by others, a neutral point of view does not include association with the Orthodox Baha'is; moreover, your claim of terrorism is preposterous and unfounded. Your actions warrant the same claim.

Rather than replacing my changes with comments on terrorism, TRY and make an attempt to EXPLAIN why it is the orthodox bahais should not be removed. --I understand the words of the House, but Abdu'l Baha says clearly to "shield the Cause of God from the onslaught of the insincere".

 * It's simple. I do not attempt to explain it. I chose to obey the House.  The House says to IGNORE the Orthodox Baha'is. The Universal House of Justice instructs individual Baha'is to _not_ block their web sites, to not remove their books from libraries, to not pursue them when they mail to us, to not reply when they post to internet forums.  These instructions from the House are explicit.  I chose to obey the supreme institution of my Faith, to belive that they are divinely guided in this.  Why can't you.

 * Instead of deleting them, it is POSSIBLE that there is a _more_ npov way of including them. For example:  Language has been proposed which says:  "The members of the [Orthodox Bahai Faith] also hold allegiance to Baha'u'llah."  It is possible that language like THAT would be acceptable.  But denying their existance, denying their RELATIONSHIP to the Baha'i Faith is like trying to deny that Charles Mason Remy existed.  Far better to explain, at some length how Joel Marangella subtally used his grief and increasing senility to take advantage of an old man.

 * PLEASE STOP deleting the OBF. NON-BAHA'IS are going to keep putting them back. It makes us look petty.  It makes us look like IDIOTS.  PLEASE STOP. I beg of you.  Rick Boatright 12/03/2003

NFL Redirects
Your changing of the NFL redirect to the National Football League has left over 20 links with meaningless connections. Do you want to go back and correct all of them? -- Zoe

 * No. ok, I'll put it back But HOW DO I FIX THIS????
 * Put a link on the NFL national foot ball page????
 * Teach me Obi Wan!  Sorry :-( Rick Boatright

No, just go to NFL, click on "What links here", click on each of those entries, and change the "NFL" linke to "National Football League". -- Zoe

 * AHHH That I can do!!!  Thanks.  Only seems fair.
 * the _other_ way did Not see fair.  -- Thanks - Rick

Thanks for fixing the links. -- Zoe

About the preview thing: ah, good idea. I used the frequent commits to make sure that I didn't lose my work if the browser crashed. About the NFL redirects -- I've noticed that NFL doesn't link to a disambiguation. Should it? jdb 06:15, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Ah. Gotcha -- I can't confess that I'm really that inclined to correct the acronym. Thanks for the clarification. jdb 15:53, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Re NFL disambiguation, I've tried twice. Feel free to try. I did went through and edited EVERY occurance of NFL to the National Foolball League and then created the redirect diambiguation page so that folks searching for NFL could find the National Forensic League. Why don't YOU try it. Right now, NFL is a redirect. Go ahead and creat the disabiguation and I'll back you up. Rick Boatright 03:17, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I just added a "for other uses" link to the National Football League page -- it seemed like the easiest way to go about it. jdb 20:20, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Arthur
Hi, thanks for the Arthur article. But, could you please rename it to "Arthur (operating system)" to be consistant with "Syllable (operating system)"? Usually article titles with brackets have the brackets contain the whole term not an abbreviation... Ta. I've never actually seen Arthur before myself, but I have used RISC OS, albeit a few years ago. I first used the WWW on an Acorn RISC OS computer. RISC OS really is something unlike anything else.

 * Well, I have a couple of questions. Someone has ALREADY done the redirect. How does one DELETE a page? (The (os) page) Or is this now done since someone's done the move and redirect? -- Rick

Well, to delete a page, you need to get a sysop to do it, by placing the page on the list at Votes for deletion. Generally, though, there's no reason to delete a redirect. I'm not sure if I'm reading the above right, but if the page redirects to something useful, we may as well keep it as such to catch future links from articles and google searches for the variation or whatever. Tuf-Kat

Baha'i Temples
Rick, are you planning on linking all of these Bahai temple images you're uploading into articles? How many pictures of temples do we need? -- Zoe

 * Yes, I have already linked them. Really, I have a cunning plan.  Give me 48 hours to get the Bahai house of worship page edited down to where it makes sense and you'll see my point or you can put them up for deletion ok?  (I'm trying to make some sense of why the Baha'is have only built 7 places of worship, and yet have communities in 200+ countries, there's a theological issue here, if it isn't NPOV, I'll delete it myself) and I want to get the damned architecture off the main Baha'i page. Rick Boatright 06:44 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)~

Misc
Re Roy Rogers - "88-11 is 87 not 86" -- Nope, look again - it's neither 87 nor 86, although it could be 77 or 76. ;-) -- Marj 18:37 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
 * Marj, ever have a "Duh" moment? Thanks.  I'll go fix it.  -- Rick

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Rick, please go ahead and add the Bahai holy days to the years pages. And any other holy days, holidays or national days that aren't there. -- Zoe
 * Roger Wilco. Rick Boatright 02:52 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Baha'i redirects
Hi Rick. Your question on the pump reminded me: something that's always bugged me about the Baha'i pages is that the main article is at "Bahai", wouldn't it be more correct to have the main page at least at "Baha'i" or (perhaps better) at "Bahá'í" or  "Bahá'í Faith". The others can be redirects so it will make no practical difference to searches or links. What do you think? sannse 07:15 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

 * Well, since all those redirects are there, I don't KNOW that it makes any difference. If I had my druthers it would be at Baha'i Faith (no aacute, no iacute, just ascii, and my second choice would be Baha'i but what does it really matter as long as the in-article orthography is correct and all the others are redirects? Rick Boatright 00:51 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)

 * It doesn't make a great deal of difference for sure, but I do think it doesn't look good to have what is effectively a misspelling as a title. Anyway, changing it to Baha'i Faith is easy as that page doesn't exist yet - I'll do that now.  Thanks for your reply -- sannse 09:06 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)

Good to meet you
I've only discovered what wiki is recently, but I'm glad I can help out with the Bahá'í stuff. It's good to meet you Rick. Bye for now --Chris

Hi Rick,

I got your message about the Bábís page. I would like to do something with it, but I haven't given it much thought just yet.

I will try to come up with a working draft of something by nlt 5/15 (I will probably have something much sooner, but I have found that I tend to be optimistic in my time assessments, so I'm giving myself some breathing room -- I hope).

anyway, I'll chat w/ you more on this. By the way, thank you for making the updates to the Táhirih page. I was actually signing on tonight to make the exact change you made (well, maybe not exactly, but I was intending to add the outside hyperlinks).

Bye for now, --Chris

 * Hey Rick, I guess you might have noticed that I haven't made any recent changes to the Bábís page or anything. I've been working on getting others involved, however, so perhaps sometime soon we will have more help.

bye for now, --Chris

Be careful with what you say
Your response to Talk:U.S. one dollar bill doesn't look like the answer to the correct question. Please be careful with the question you answer. I was talking about whether it was legal, not whether he liked it. 66.245.11.49 23:24, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

 * well, ok, but as far as I can tell, there was no law impeding him from putting himself on the currency in order to further his political ambitions. No Chase biography I read has any mention of a legality issue.  AAMOF, it appears that the "no living person" law was a RESPONSE to chase putting himself on the currency. Rick Boatright 15:21, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Clipper link fixing
Wasn't going to bang on the links to clipper immediately, usually I leave that sort of thing for when WP is being speedy (and I'm off work. :-) ) Feel free to work them over yourself if you like! Stan 20:51, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Morse code
If I recall, in Wikipedia any line that starts with an indented blank is rendered as-is, in a non-proportional font:

Testing: - - -. - - . - - - . . . . - - -

This seems to do the same thing as explicity using PRE:

Testing: - - -. - - . - - - . . . . - - -

-- Curps 20:51, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Enantiomers and shoes

 * "your shoes are entiomers of each other. 3d mirror images. the same but different."

Ah, thank you! Now that does actually make a lot of sense - what do you think of working that analogy/metaphor/whatever into the text of the enantiomer article - all that stuff about "superimposability" may be mathematically sound, but it doesn't half make it sound complicated (and the chemistry is advanced enough itself that we really don't need any more confusion)! Thanks for the explanation, anyway. - IMSoP 09:00, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Articles you may find interesting
Former resident of Topeka. I've worked with the Baha'i community there and in Dubuque, Iowa, on various pressing social issues. Which leads me to the reason for this message. Check out Racism in Topeka, Kansas, not because there is a problem with it but because it might be of interest. There is a link there, also, to another group that once served Topeks called Concerned Citizens for Equal Justice. --MacSigh 04:38, Jul 10, 2004 (UTC)

 * thanks... I'll check it out. Rick Boatright 03:34, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Usenet
How do you create a usenet subset? eg. rec.sport.cricket.statistics? What about hosting issues etc. & how do you moderate one? ¶ nichalp | [[User talk:nichalp| Talk ]]

New Bahá'í wiki website
Hi Rick,

I just wanted to let you know that I have now been able, with the help of Jonah at BLO, been able to get a Bahá'í wiki up using Mediawiki software (as in Wikipedia)...You can reach it at http://bahai9.com. It's nowhere near primetime, largely because I still have to migrate pages from http://bahai-library.com/wiki and secondly because the pages that have been migrated need to have the code changed from that acceptable at PHPwiki to that used in Mediawiki software. Ughh...not fun for 1000+ websites... If you know any shortcuts for conversion, I'd appreciate it. In any case, though I don't want to share this new site just yet to the wider public since it is by no means ready, since you have been a frequent contributor here, I thought I'd let you know in case you wanted to get started, set up your pages or whatever. I hope to modify our own InterWikiMap to make shortcut links to the Writings (as I did at http://bahai-library.com/wiki ) as well as back to Wikipedia, Google, etc. We could then also add links here back to the Bahá'í wiki (even add it to Wikipedia's InterWikiMap!)...And, we don't need to adhere to "NPOV" there, as it is understood here at least...(I'm calling it BPOV for an attempt to put it from our perspective...) Anyhow, one other item...In preparing a talk for the upcoming ABS conference, I'm trying to finish putting together an instructional video on use of Wikipedia and then specifically the Bahá'í website which I hope could be shared to invite more and more contributors along...There is so, so much that could be added....Take a look at some of the subpages at http://bahai-library.com/wiki .... One particularly exciting potential is for using HTML iFrames to view multiple wiki pages at once...allowing the paragraphs of the Writings, for example, to be viewed alongside their corresponding wiki page....See http://bahai-library.com/zamir/kawiki.html (ignore the 3rd column) for a demonstration... I hope to get a database started to process a user's request for specific pages and page ranges, though I really need to find a way to raise some funds first to get a programmer to do that. Take care, [[User:Brettz9|Brettz9 (talk)]] 07:51, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Addition: Oh, I forgot...I've also tentatively started a history of Bahá'í wiki sites at http://www.bahai9.com/index.php/History_of_Bahá%27í_wiki_websites. Wikipedia's page history doesn't seem to go back to the beginning for the Bahá'í page (I presume the page "Baha'i Faith" was the first, though I should check the other sites too). If you have anything to add, please do so. I'm sorry it's a little self-referential, but I wanted to put down some record for future reference--especially since wiki makes it so easy to keep track of histories, there's no excuse not to record this stuff (since we do need to, in case old versions get deleted, etc.)... [[User:Brettz9|Brettz9 (talk)]] 07:55, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Baha'u'llah image
Hi Rick, you misread the talk page - the request for an image was from User:Foant - I just moved the comment from the article to the talk page :) -- sannse (talk) 00:43, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Unverified images
Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

 * Image:Ichabod.png

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License,  if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 21:17, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Done Rick Boatright 16:50, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Rick
I'm a regular on talk.religion.bahai. Someone over there referenced the Baha'i Faith article at Wikipedia a few days ago, and I've been exploring here ever since! PaulHammond 17:53, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Picture of Baha'u'llah - User Martin2000
Hi Rick,

I've just noticed that there is a user who appeared to come into being only to upload Baha'u'llah's image and add it to the articles on Baha'u'llah and Baha'i Faith.

Thought you'd be interested to see this.

This user appears to be an identity created on 14th Jan whose only reason for being is to upload Baha'u'llah's picture and add it to this article and the one on Baha'u'llah. here is his entire list of contributions to Wikipedia. I think Baha'u'llah's image ought to be removed from the Wikipedia database. PaulHammond 21:41, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * I am just interested in contributing to a subject in which I have accurate, detailed, and correct information. If you like to paint a rosy and romantic picutre of Bahaism, and certain facts ruin this picture for you, don't blame those who state those facts. In other words, don't shoot the messenger. I am simply stating some facts. Also, going to multiple people's personal pages and knocking on every door trying to portray me as some sort of evil character just because I have contributed FACTS AND CORRECT INFORMATION to Bahai-related articles, is not a good idea, there are good chances that it will backfire on you. Is there any misinformation that I included in any of the articles? Is the picture that I uploaded not authentic?  What is your problem with my contributions other than the fact that I do not have a long list of variegated contributions? Martin2000 22:32, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Rick. I think this was a nice way of putting it.

"The photo of Baha'u'llah isn't an attack. It's a historical document. It's what he looked like on that day, in that place, at that time. The challenge before us as a community is not to waste our effort and credit on these small battles."

However, Martin and Amir's strident insistence on putting that photo into the articles, despite the feelings of Baha'is on the matter, and their use of edit summaries to make personal comments on other editors are attacks on a religion that they have a personal beef with. I must admit that when I saw Martin2000's edit history, I saw red that day - that's why, instead of going with the suggestions at Talk%3ABah%E1%27u%27ll%E1h to use a non-displaying link in the heat of the moment I expressed my opinion that the photo should be removed from the Wikipedia database.

Martin and Amir are right that an encyclopedia project like this should not attempt to paint a rosy and one-sided picture of the Baha'i Faith, but then, neither should a balanced encyclopedia article go out of its way to insult the followers of any particular religion. I don't think any reputable encyclopedia would illustrate its articles on a religion with pictures that are known to cause offence its followers. They are also wrong in their assumptions about me - as a non-Baha'i who has investigated the faith but never declared, I certainly don't have any brief to create a "rosy picture" of the Baha'i Faith. I just prefer not to conduct my arguments with Baha'is by intentionally causing offense for the sake of it! - PaulHammond 16:11, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Following up a comment you made about creating articles on CBs including Ahmad Sorhab, Ruhi Effendi Afnan and Mirza Yahya himself. Can you expand your thoughts on this? Personally, I know relatively little about them beyond what one reads in the books of Shoghi Effendi, Balyuzi and Taherzadeh. An interesting soundbite I heard recently concerning incorrect things about the Faith being put up on the Internet: "The solution to pollution is dilution." How can we help? Thanks --Occamy 09:58, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Rick: the passport photograph would have been taken shortly after Baha'u'llah's December 1852 release from the Siyah-Chal dungeon and before the start of His exile on 12 January 1853. Adib Taherzadeh, in The Covenant of Baha'u'llah, writes "...His neck badly injured and His back bent by the weight of heavy chains..." which would contribute to why Baha'u'llah appears as He does in the photo. I am minded that it is probably best to let the dispute about the photo come to a resolution before offering this information. What do you think? I am asking Paul Hammond, Tomhab and Gini too. --Occamy 07:32, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Covenant
Do you think it would be appropriate to start putting together a page on the Covenant of Baha'u'llah, showing the specific texts that pass authority to Abdu'l-Baha, Shoghi Effendi and the Universal House of Justice? I listened to Ali Nakhjavani recently when he stressed the importance of us knowing these texts. An article should help deflect the ultimately baseless arguments used by those trying to attack the reputation of the Faith. --Occamy 21:01, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vs Amir
Nicely done. Someone needed to say it. -- Tomhab 13:56, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot also with your help in Bahá'u'lláh's family. I had actually just given up. Feels like I'm talkin to a brick wall at times. -- Tomhab 18:15, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Hehe, I tried to get involved in soc.religion.bahai a few years back, but got out quickly with my tail tight between my legs. I seem to remember coming out with some rather naive, holier-than-thou stuff that an 18 year old know-it-all kid would say (that is to say I'm hoping that 3 more years life experience has changed me). I'll give it another look though. -- Tomhab 18:41, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I've got SRB up on this comp now... I'll just read for a while and keep my head low. I'm a little scared of saying something that I don't really know a lot about (like I didn't know Babism only permitted 2 wives until recently), but it'll be educating. I rather suspect I'll be a little over my head though :) -- Tomhab 19:43, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Qazvini supported/refuted
Sorry - hope you realise it was a genuine mistake. By the way dosn't i-Qazvini just mean "from Qazvin"? -- Tomhab 04:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Anti Baha'i books
It would be interesting, but I've been trying to think up a way of making it NPOV (which a book review basically is). I'm not too sure, but it might be worth just going ahead anyway. Especially if we just concentrate on the motives behind writing the books.

One idea I have had is to create an article on this kind of thing but with all the anti-Baha'i books. A nice list is proposed here. I think I'll just start with Maulana and Miller for now though :)

Thoughts? -- Tomhab 05:07, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Another problem is I only know the bad points of the books. I can point out that Miller sources his matterial heavily on Azal's work, but I can't quote any compliments to his work. Someone will get annoyed if we don't in all likelihood. -- Tomhab 05:46, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't want to start an article where the name is wrong (as they're pretty hard to remove again). What do you think of Authors on the Bahá'í Faith? That way, it can also include details of Baha'i authors. For a start:

 * Most literature available on the Bahá'í Faith has a significant bias; either pro-Bahá'í as produced by the Bahá'í authorities, or anti-Bahá'í authors where their religion and the Bahá'ís are largely mutually exclusive. This article is dedicated to the authors of such literature available and discusses the perspectives, experiences and the biases of the persons involved.

I think its pretty NPOV and we can also include details about Baha'i authors (where their bias is already obvious) and details on non-Baha'i authors (where their bias is NOT so obvious). It isn't manipulative in anyway though.

Any thoughts welcome - in fact they'd be very nice. -- Tomhab 02:56, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Riiight I see what you're getting at. Would be harder to point out any of their biases in a biographical page though. -- Tomhab 10:41, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Martin reverts
Did you see Martins other reverts? I think he was more keen on those with his revert rather than the bit on syncretism. I've avoided reverting because I think Refdoc will lock the page if I do (he's already warned me - see my talk page). -- Tomhab 05:57, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Fort Beauséjour

Fort Beauséjour, renamed Fort Cumberland in 1755, is a large, five-bastioned fort on the Isthmus of Chignecto in eastern Canada, a neck of land connecting the present-day province of New Brunswick with that of Nova Scotia. The site was strategically important in Acadia, a French colony that included primarily the Maritimes, the eastern part of Quebec, and northern Maine of the later United States. The fort was built by the French from 1751 to 1752. They surrendered it to the British in 1755 after their defeat in the Battle of Fort Beauséjour, during the Seven Years' War. The British renamed the structure as Fort Cumberland. The fort was strategically important throughout the Anglo-French rivalry of 1749–63, known as the French and Indian Wars by British colonists. Less than a generation later, it was the site of the 1776 Battle of Fort Cumberland, when the British forces repulsed sympathisers of the American Revolution.

Since 1920 the site has been designated as a National Historic Site of Canada, named the Fort Beauséjour – Fort Cumberland National Historic Site. Portions of the fort have been restored, and a museum and visitor facilities were added to the site. It attracts about 6000 visitors annually.

Historical context
During the 1600s and 1700s, European monarchies were nearly continuously at war with each other. The threat of Anglo-American invasion of New France was constant, as England tried to establish power in North America, and Acadia was particularly vulnerable to attacks by water. Its capital, Port-Royal, was founded in 1605, destroyed by the British in 1613, moved upstream in 1632, besieged by the British in 1707, and finally taken in the Siege of Port Royal (1710).

Under the terms of the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht, the Kingdom of France had ceded to the Kingdom of Great Britain the territory known today as mainland Nova Scotia. The treaty stated that France retained control of Île Royale (now Cape Breton Island) and Île Saint-Jean (Prince Edward Island). France's colony of Canada, or New France, extended from the Gaspé Peninsula in the east to Quebec in the west. The treaty of Utrecht defined neither which nation had sovereignty over the land between Gaspesie and Nova Scotia, now New Brunswick, nor the western border of Nova Scotia. The de facto border became the Isthmus of Chignecto at the Missiguash River, site of the prosperous Acadian settlement Beaubassin.

In the mid-1700s France and Britain were about to clash worldwide and in North America in the Seven Years' War. By the middle of the 1700s, over one million British colonists occupied a limited area along the Atlantic coast, but the primarily ethnic French population of what is now The Maritimes was 18,544, part of a total New France population of 70,000.

Fort Beauséjour
As tensions escalated, in 1749 the British erected fortifications in Nova Scotia at Citadel Hill, Halifax, which they founded as a town; and at Fort Sackville, Bedford. The French rebuilt the Fortress of Louisbourg, and re-occupied Fort Nerepis as part of their defences.

In 1750 the French added to the military personnel in their colony. In April of that year Governor Edward Cornwallis of Nova Scotia sent British Major Charles Lawrence with a small force to establish British authority in the isthmus of Chignecto. On the north bank of the Missaguash River, Lawrence found French forces under Louis de La Corne, who had orders to prevent any British advance beyond that point. De La Corne evacuated and burned the village of Beaubassin to prevent its aiding the British. Rather than fight the French, with whom the British were not at war, or admit to any territorial limitation, Lawrence withdrew.

Officials in London disagreed about how far to direct actions of troops in establishing national claims during a time of peace. But Cornwallis eventually sent Lawrence to the Missaguash River with a stronger force and they routed a group of Abenaki and allied Indians led by Father Le Loutre, a French agent provocateur. In the autumn of 1750 Lawrence built Fort Lawrence near the site of the ruined village of Beaubassin.

In November 1750 Governor General de la Jonquière ordered that two forts be built at either end of the Isthmus of Chignecto to block the British: one was Fort Gaspareaux on the Northumberland Strait and the other Fort Beauséjour on the Bay of Fundy.

Construction began in April 1751 under the direction of Lieutenant Gaspard-Joseph Chaussegros de Léry. By 1751 the gunpowder magazine, a well, four casemates, and officers' quarters were finished. The barracks were added the following year. By 1753 the fort had palisade walls and a 5 m earthwork. It was a pentagon-shaped fort with bastions built of earth and pickets at the corners.

In 1754, Louis Du Pont Duchambon de Vergor became the commander of Fort Beausejour. Events eventually revealed that he was unfit for military command. Louis-Léonard Aumasson de Courville, who became Vergor's secretary at Beauséjour claimed that Vergor was "avaricious in the extreme," and in his memoirs is a quotation attributed to François Bigot: "Profit, my dear Vergor, by your opportunity [at Beauséjour]; trim, – cut – you have the power – in order that you may soon join me in France and purchase an estate near me."

Battle of Fort Beauséjour
The French position may have been undermined by Thomas Pichon, a clerk at the fort. The British commandant at Fort Lawrence paid Pichon for information about French activities. Pichon provided accounts of French activities, plans of forts and an outline of the steps necessary for capture, which Lieutenant-Colonel Robert Monckton later used in the attacks. Pichon delayed the strengthening of Beauséjour by advising that the British would not attack that year.

A convoy of 31 transports and three warships left Boston on 19 May 1755, carrying nearly 2,000 New England provincial troops and 270 British regulars, and dropped anchor near the mouth of the Missaguash River on 2 June. The next day the troops, under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Robert Monckton of the regular army, disembarked a few kilometres from Fort Beauséjour. To defend the fort, Commander Louis Du Pont Duchambon de Vergor had only 150 soldiers from the Compagnies franches de la Marine and a dozen canonniers-bombardiers. On June 16, a large English bomb went through the roof of a casemate and killed many of its occupants. Vergor laid down his weapons. The fort was surrendered, and renamed Fort Cumberland. The next day Fort Gaspereau was surrendered without being attacked. The fall of these forts settled the boundary dispute in favour of the British and marked the beginning of the Expulsion of the Acadians.

The minister of Marine, Machault, had good reason to believe the forts had been "very ill defended" and Vergor was summoned before a court martial at Quebec in September 1757 but was acquitted.

Fort Cumberland
In the months following the fort's capture, British forces ordered Acadians living in the region to sign an oath of allegiance to the British Crown. However, the Acadians refused, preferring to remain neutral. Some Acadians reported that they had been coerced into assisting in the defense of Fort Beauséjour, and the British used this as a reason to begin the Expulsion of the Acadians. Acadian homes were burnt to prevent their return. As the British army had relocated to Fort Cumberland, they abandoned and burned Fort Lawrence in October 1756. Fort Cumberland became one of the sites in which the British imprisoned or temporarily held Acadians during the nine years of the expulsion, the others being Fort Edward (Nova Scotia); Fort Frederick, Saint John, New Brunswick, and Fort Charlotte, Georges Island, Halifax. Under the leadership of French officer Boishébert, Acadians and Mi'kmaq fought the expulsion from their homeland. In the early spring of 1756, a band of Acadian and Mi'kmaq partisans ambushed a small party of New England soldiers' cutting wood for Fort Cumberland, killing and mutilating nine men. In April 1757, after raiding Fort Edward, a band of Acadian and Mi'kmaq partisans also raided Fort Cumberland, killing and scalping two men and taking two prisoners. In July, Mi'kmaq captured two of Gorham's rangers outside Fort Cumberland. In March 1758, forty Acadian and Mi'kmaq attacked a schooner at Fort Cumberland and killed its master and two sailors. In the winter of 1759, five British soldiers on patrol were ambushed while crossing a bridge near Fort Cumberland. They were scalped and their bodies were mutilated as was common in frontier warfare. In October 1761, commander of the fort Roderick McKenzie of the Montgomery's Highlanders went to Bay of Chaleurs to remove the 787 Acadians. He captured 335.

In 1776, early in the American Revolutionary War, Fort Cumberland and its garrison of the Royal Fencible American Regiment repelled several rebel attacks in the Battle of Fort Cumberland. These were mounted by local guerrillas led by the American sympathizer Jonathan Eddy.

After the end of the Revolutionary War, by which the United States gained independence, the British abandoned Fort Cumberland in the late 1780s. When territorial conflict with the United States resumed in the War of 1812, Britain sent forces to refurbish the fort and garrison it. It was not the site of any action in that war. In 1835 the British military declared the fort surplus property and it was abandoned.

National Historic Site
In 1920 the fort was designated as a National Historic Site of Canada for its significance to French and British history in the country. It is named the Fort Beauséjour – Fort Cumberland National Historic Site. Portions of the fort have been restored. In addition, a museum and visitor facilities have been constructed.

The museum depicts and interprets the conflicts between France and Great Britain in the 1700s, and the later struggle between rebels of the Thirteen Colonies and Britain. Attracting about 6000 visitors each year, the fort contributes to heritage tourism in the Maritimes.

Commanders

 * Louis de la Corne, Chevalier de la Corne (1749–1750) – established pickets
 * Pierre-Roch of Saint-Ours D'Eschallions (1750–1751)
 * Jean-Baptiste Mutigny de Vassan (1751–1753)
 * Louis Du Pont Duchambon de Vergor (1754)

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Fort Cumberland

Fort Cumberland may refer to:

Places

 * Fort Cumberland (Canada) also known as Fort Beauséjour, built by the French in 1752 and abandoned by the British in 1852
 * Fort Cumberland (England), an existing pentagonal artillery fortification first erected in 1747 to guard the entrance to Langstone Harbour, east of the naval port of Portsmouth on the south coast of England
 * Fort Cumberland (Maryland) (built 1754), an 18th-century frontier fort at the current site of Cumberland, Maryland, USA; an important military and economic center during the French and Indian War (1754–63); figured significantly in the early career of George Washington

Other uses

 * Battle of Fort Cumberland or Eddy's Rebellion, an attempt to bring the American Revolutionary War to Nova Scotia (now Canada) in late 1776.
 * SS Fort Cumberland, any of a number of ships with this name

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Salaff

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 21:42, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stephen Salaff
Appears to be self-promotion, a vanity page, or solely providing context to a source quoted in the talk page of an article. I pasted the text in the talk page of the Portlands Energy Centre article. I think the Stephen Salaff page should be deleted. JimCollaborator «talk» 21:37, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It is potentially useful content as a context for the Portlands Energy Centre page but not encyclopedic in itself. Dabbler 11:37, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Vive la rose

Vive la rose is an 18th-century French folk song about unrequited love. "Mon ami me délaisse" is roughly translated as "My boyfriend dumped me". The song goes on to explain that he has found a new girlfriend. Another verse says that rumor has it that she is sick. The narrator says that if she dies, he will probably want to come back to her, but she will not have him. The chorus "Vive la rose et le lilas" means "Long live the rose and the lilac."

Vive la rose was Émile Benoît's last recording. It was interpreted by several other musicians; one such interpretation was referred to as "une vieille chanson française interprétée par la suite par Guy Béart pour les enfants". It was interpreted by Guy Béart (1960), Cora Vaucaire (1975), Nana Mouskouri (1978), Mes souliers sont rouges (2000), and Ten Strings and a Goat Skin (2013). Other names for the song include "Mon amant me délaisse" and "La méchante."

Film adaptation
In 2009, Benoit's rendition of the song was adapted as a National Film Board of Canada mixed media short film by Bruce Alcock. The film was named to the Toronto International Film Festival's year-end Canada's Top Ten list for 2009, and was a Genie Award nominee for the Best Animated Short at the 30th Genie Awards.

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Global Gathering

Global Gathering was an annual dance music festival by Angel Festivals Limited. Festivals are held in countries such as the UK, Poland, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and feature leading electronic music artists from around the globe. The festival ran from 2001 to 2014; the concept came about following enormous interest in the opening Code club (now Air), the home of Godskitchen. The organisers recognised that there was room to expand dance music from clubs to outdoor music festival venues.

Locations

 * Long Marston Airfield, Long Marston, Warwickshire, England
 * 🇵🇱 Tor Poznań, Poznań, Poland
 * 🇧🇾 Borovaya Airfield, Belarus
 * 🇺🇦 Chaika Airfield, Kyiv, Ukraine
 * 🇷🇺 Tuutary Park, Saint Petersburg, Russia
 * 🇰🇷 Seoul Olympic Stadium, Seoul, South Korea
 * Rustavi International Motorpark, Rustavi, Georgia

History
Held on the last weekend of July each year, GlobalGathering in the UK has established itself as a major UK dance festival since it began in 2001. It is held at Long Marston Airfield near Stratford-upon-Avon. It provides entertainment from a range of electronic genres, and includes live acts, drum and bass, house, trance and dubstep. The festival has grown to play host to over one hundred acts on sixteen stages, and has twice won the award for Best UK Festival in the DJ Magazine awards, including 2010.

On 18 March 2006, Global Gathering travelled to Miami, Florida. The festival included acts such as Nine Inch Nails, Coheed and Cambria, Avenged Sevenfold, Deep Dish, Adam Freeland, Sasha, John Digweed and others. In 2008, GlobalGathering shows included Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Turkey, Australia, and Malaysia. In 2009, Poland, Belarus, Turkey, Ukraine, Russia, South Korea and Australia played host.

On 28 July 2012, during the Global Gathering 2012 event, paramedics were called to Long Marston Airfield near Stratford-upon-Avon after a 24-year-old man had been found unconscious in his tent. Despite efforts to resuscitate him, he died. It is the first death in the 12-year history of the annual festival.

Global Gathering 2014 recorded the second death during the event's 14-year history.

On 26 October 2014 the promoters of Global Gathering, Angel Festivals Limited, announced the festival will not take place in 2015. A statement on their website read:
 * "After 13 years of delivering one of the UK’s most successful electronic dance music events, the promoters of the GlobalGathering UK festival have decided that the festival will take a break in 2015 in order for all elements of the show to be reviewed ensuring GG remains at the heart of the UK dance market. This will not affect any of the GG club shows in the UK or international GG events. Thanks to all of our loyal fans for your continued support, please check the website for further updates".

List of Global Gatherings

 * Global Gathering 2001
 * Global Gathering 2002
 * Global Gathering 2003
 * Global Gathering 2004
 * Global Gathering 2005
 * Global Gathering 2006
 * Global Gathering 2007
 * Global Gathering 2008
 * Global Gathering 2009
 * Global Gathering 2010
 * Global Gathering 2011
 * Global Gathering 2012
 * Global Gathering 2013 took place on 26 and 27 July.
 * Global Gathering 2014 took place on 25 and 26 July, with an attendance of 55,000.

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Wow. Used on London Underground, could also be on Westminster tube station. - SPUI (talk) 21:40, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC) +3 / -7 -- Solipsist 11:42, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Nominate and support. - SPUI (talk) 21:40, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose - sorry, I can't find anything striking or interesting in this picture - Adrian Pingstone 21:53, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose No focus in this image. I have no idea what it's trying to say. Denni ☯ 02:09, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)
 * It's trying to say "Hello, you're looking at me too much." --SPUI (talk) 02:16, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * And I'm saying "Hello, you're a photo. I'm *supposed* to look at you." Denni ☯ 21:44, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)
 * Oppose Just not that captivating, though somewhat reminiscent of movie depictions of some dark concrete future dystopian nightmare. :-( --Deglr6328 03:00, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose Sorry, just a bit boring. Junes 08:17, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support maybe because I'm not brittish and not used to subway, but I find it nice and adding significantly. Circeus 00:41, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I'm not British either but it's not interesting. Enochlau 14:03, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Its an interesting space in reality, even if you are not a fan of concrete. But it is difficult to capture it in a photograph. Kudos to Rebroad for risking taking this picture. A couple of months ago, I was almost arrested on suspicion of being a terrorist for taking a photograph of a structural support in an underground station - and this one is beneath the Palace of Westminster! -- Solipsist 18:40, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Jonas Olson 20:23, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support - intriguing as hell. Geometric complexity. What is wrong with you people? - Pioneer-12 23:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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Norton Knatchbull, 3rd Earl Mountbatten of Burma

Norton Louis Philip Knatchbull, 3rd Earl Mountbatten of Burma (born 8 October 1947), known until 2005 as Lord Romsey and until 2017 as the Lord Brabourne, is a British peer. He is a second cousin of King Charles III.

Life and education
Lord Mountbatten was born at King's College Hospital in London as the eldest son of Patricia Knatchbull, Mountbatten, later 2nd Countess Mountbatten of Burma, and John Knatchbull, 7th Baron Brabourne.

Mountbatten was educated at the Dragon School, in Oxford, and Gordonstoun School, Elgin, Moray, Scotland. He subsequently attended the University of Kent in southeast England.

He followed his father into the British film industry in the 1970s, working as location manager on A Bridge Too Far and associate producer of Death on the Nile and the television serial Quatermass.

On the death of his father on 23 September 2005, he became the 8th Baron Brabourne, of Brabourne in the County of Kent, in the peerage of the United Kingdom. He also succeeded to the Knatchbull Baronetcy, of Mersham Hatch in the County of Kent, in the baronetage of England. On the death of his mother on 13 June 2017, he became Earl Mountbatten of Burma, also a title in the peerage of the United Kingdom created for his grandfather, Admiral of the Fleet Lord Louis Mountbatten.

He is a descendant of Queen Victoria, whose second daughter Princess Alice of the United Kingdom was his maternal great-great-great-grandmother. He is also a second cousin to Charles III, through his mother and Charles' father, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, who was his godfather. Mountbatten is the godfather of Philip's grandson, the Prince of Wales. He is also related to author Jane Austen, as his father, John Knatchbull, 7th Baron Brabourne, was a direct descendant of her brother Edward Austen Knight.

Marriage and children
Mountbatten is married to Penelope Meredith Eastwood (born 16 April 1953), a daughter of Marian Elizabeth Hood (1926–2020) and Reginald Wray Frank Eastwood (1912–1980), a self-made millionaire who founded the Angus Steakhouse chain. They were wed on 20 October 1979 at Romsey Abbey, Romsey, less than two months after the IRA murdered his 79-year-old maternal grandfather, Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma; his 14-year-old younger brother, Nicholas Knatchbull; and his 83-year-old paternal grandmother, Doreen Knatchbull, Dowager Lady Brabourne.

The family home is Broadlands, also in Hampshire.

The 3rd Earl Mountbatten of Burma and his wife have three children and three grandchildren:

 * Nicholas Louis Charles Norton Knatchbull, Lord Brabourne (born 15 May 1981), married on 20 May 2021 to Ambre Pouzet at Broadlands. They have a son, Alexander Knatchbull.
 * Lady Alexandra Victoria Edwina Diana Knatchbull (born 5 December 1982), a goddaughter of Diana, Princess of Wales, married on 25 June 2016 to Thomas Hooper, CEO of Third Space Learning. They have two sons.
 * The Hon. Leonora Louise Marie Elizabeth Knatchbull (25 June 1986 – 22 October 1991). She died of kidney cancer, and is buried in the grounds of the family home, Broadlands; see Leonora Children's Cancer Fund.

In 2010, Mountbatten started an affair with Eugenie Nuttall, which lasted until 2014.


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Catholic Church in Egypt

The Catholic Church in Egypt is considerably small as compared to the rest of the Christian population in Egypt, which is a significant minority among (mainly Sunni) Muslims. The Catholic population in Egypt is said to have begun during the British control of Egypt. However, many emigrated after the 1952 Revolution in Egypt, which also caused the overthrow and exile of King Farouk of Egypt. Catholics in Egypt belong to seven distinct ritual Particular Churches sui iuris, the largest being the Coptic Catholic Church, led by its Patriarch of Alexandria.

The majority of the Christians in Egypt are members of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria. The number of Catholics (less than 200,000) in Egypt makes up much less than 1% of the total Egyptian population, which is roughly 100 million people. Many of Egypt's Latin Catholics are of Italian or Maltese descent, while Egypt's Melkite Greek Catholics and Maronite Catholics are predominantly of Syro-Lebanese descent.

Dioceses

 * Alexandrian Rite
 * Coptic Catholic Patriarchate of Alexandria
 * Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Alexandria
 * Eparchy of Abu Qirqas
 * Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Assiut
 * Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Guizeh
 * Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Ismayliah
 * Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Luqsor
 * Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Minya
 * Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Sohag

 * Roman Rite
 * Latin Catholic Apostolic Vicariate of Alexandria of Egypt

 * Antiochian Rite
 * Maronite Catholic Eparchy of Cairo
 * Syrian Catholic Eparchy of Cairo

 * Armenian Rite
 * Armenian Catholic Eparchy of Iskanderiya (Alexandria)

 * Byzantine Rite
 * Melkite Patriarchal Dependent Territory of Egypt, Sudan, and South Sudan

 * Chaldean Rite
 * Chaldean Catholic Eparchy of Cairo

Cathedrals and Basilicas

 * (Conventual) Basilica of St. Therese of the Child Jesus in Cairo, Egypt (Roman Catholic Apostolic Vicariate of Alexandria of Egypt)
 * Cathedral Basilica of Our Lady of Fatima in Cairo, Egypt (Chaldean Catholic Eparchy of Cairo)
 * Cathedral of Christ the King in Minya, Egypt (Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Minya)
 * Cathedral of Christ the King in Sohag, Egypt (Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Sohag)
 * Cathedral of Our Lady of Egypt in Cairo, Egypt (Coptic Catholic Patriarchate of Alexandria)
 * Cathedral of St. Catherine in Alexandria, Egypt (Latin Catholic Apostolic Vicariate of Alexandria of Egypt)
 * Cathedral of St. Mark in Ismaïlia, Egypt (Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Ismayliah)
 * Cathedral of the Annunciation in Cairo, Egypt (Armenian Catholic Eparchy of Iskanderiya)
 * Cathedral of the Dormition in Alexandria, Egypt (Greek-Melkite Catholic Territory Dependent on the Patriarch of Egypt and Sudan)
 * Cathedral of the Mother of Divine Love in Assiut, Egypt (Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Assiut)
 * Cathedral of the Resurrection in Cairo, Egypt (Greek-Melkite Catholic Territory Dependent on the Patriarch of Egypt and Sudan)
 * Co-Cathedral of Our Lady of Helipolis in Cairo, Egypt (Latin Catholic Apostolic Vicariate of Alexandria of Egypt)
 * Coptic Cathedral in Giza, Egypt (Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Guizeh)
 * Coptic Cathedral in Luxor, Egypt (Coptic Catholic Eparchy of Luqsor)
 * Maronite Cathedral of St. Joseph in Cairo, Egypt (Maronite Catholic Eparchy of Cairo)
 * Syrian Cathedral of the Holy Rosary in Cairo, Egypt (Syrian Catholic Eparchy of Cairo)

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Queer Duck

Queer Duck is an American adult animated web series produced by Icebox.com that originally appeared on the company's website, then later moved to the American cable network Showtime, where it aired following the American version of Queer as Folk. Although far from featuring the first gay cartoon character, Queer Duck was among the first animated series to have homosexuality as its predominant theme.

Like several later television cartoons, Queer Duck was animated in Macromedia Flash. The show was created, written, and executive-produced by Mike Reiss, who also produced network cartoons The Simpsons and The Critic. Queer Duck animation was directed and designed by Xeth Feinberg, in an attempt to be very similar to the animation style of Rocky and Bullwinkle; the theme song was performed by drag celebrity RuPaul. In Canada, Queer Duck aired on Teletoon at Night whilst in the UK it was aired as a short segment as part of magazine show That Gay Show which aired on BBC Choice, the forerunner to BBC Three.

Scholar Lawrence La Fountain-Stokes called the use of the term queer duck as "interesting" and described the show as about a "group of American gay animals" with their personalities seemingly "based on gay white men."

Queer Duck
The title character, whose full name is Adam Seymour Duckstein (voiced by Jim J. Bullock), is a gay anthropomorphic duck who works as a nurse. In an interview included on the DVD release of Queer Duck: The Movie Reiss states that Bullock is the only member of the cast that is actually gay, and that he had insisted that the character be voiced by someone gay.

Queer Duck has cyan-colored feathers, a little spiky fringe, and may wear purple eye shadow. He wears a sleeveless rainbow top and, like almost everyone else in the series, does not wear trousers. This follows the tradition of semi-nudity of cartoon animals exemplified by Porky Pig, Donald Duck, Top Cat, etc. He is often shown to have two fingers and one thumb on each hand, though on occasion he has the three fingers and one thumb per hand that is typical of many contemporary cartoons.

Queer Duck is known to gossip about anything and everything, especially on the phone while watching television, as shown on Oh Christ!, The Gaining of Herpes from Sparky and A Gay Outing. He is promiscuous in his own way, but not as obsessed with sex as his boyfriend Openly Gator; for example, he'll often utter the word "cock" but swiftly follows it with another word, like "tails", such as in The Gay Road to Morocco.

His nemesis is known to be radio show host Laura Schlessinger, who is pictured as a haggard and ugly old woman.

Queer Duck has also been a victim of gay bashing, as shown in Ku Klux Klan & Ollie, in which Ku Klux Klan members attempt to burn his house down. When his disguise fails, he kisses the unveiled Jerry Falwell, only to get shot down by the other homophobes. When in heaven he finds out that famous icons like Socrates and Leonardo da Vinci are also gay, much to the chagrin of Jerry Falwell.

Over the course of the series, the audience learns that Queer Duck has a Jewish mother who is in denial of his sexuality, a diabetic father (whose name is revealed to be Morty in the episode Quack Doctor), a straight brother named Lucky (who is shown to have bullied Queer Duck when they were younger), a nephew named Little Lucky and a lesbian sister named Melissa. Queer Duck is not the most beloved child in his family and there are strong hints that his older brother Lucky is the most favored one, due to his heterosexuality.

Queer Duck is afraid to show his sexuality to his nephew Little Lucky (who first appeared in Fiddler on the Roofie), especially while camping with two of Little Lucky's friends. They discovered one of his magazines, which included personal ads that contained acronyms like GBM, S&M and B&D. Lucky, however, is already aware of his uncle's sexual identity: when his fellow campers taunt him by saying, "Your uncle is gay", Lucky answers, "Well, DUH!".

Other characters

 * Openly Gator (voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson, in the style of Harvey Fierstein) is Queer Duck's boyfriend. His full name is Steven Arlo Gator. He is shy and insecure, and is usually the voice of reason whenever Queer Duck gets himself or anyone else in trouble. He marries Queer Duck in a Jewish wedding in Vermont in the episode "Wedding Bell Blues" (although they are often seen as having an open relationship); a moose was the rabbi. He works as a waiter in a restaurant that both he and Queer Duck hate.
 * Bi-Polar Bear (voiced by The Ren & Stimpy Show and Futurama actor Billy West, in the style of Paul Lynde) is one of Queer Duck's friends. He often makes bad jokes that he alone finds funny. He works in a perfume stand at a mall. He mentions his father is in a relationship with another man.
 * Oscar Wildcat (voice actor Maurice LaMarche) is an urbane character, often portrayed as an alcoholic (he is always seen holding some form of alcohol, usually a martini). He has a deep dislike for his own mother and has implied that he would like to kill her. "If I came out it would kill mother!... I'll do it tonight." He owns a Shirley Temple antique store called "Shirley You Jest". His name is a reference to Oscar Wilde.

Recurring supporting characters include Queer Duck's mother (played by Estelle Harris, George's mother on Seinfeld) and the group's nemesis, Dr. Laura Schlessinger (played by voice actress Tress MacNeille). One character, a large, well-built horse, portrays different characters in each episode. He starts out as a gay-converting Christian minister but later portrays more gay-sensitive characters, such as a flight attendant on TWGay. Other characters who have appeared include Truman Coyote, Ricky Marlin and KY Jellyfish.

Recurring themes
Although each three-minute episode stands by itself, there are several recurring themes throughout the 20-episode series, such as coming out, gay relationships/marriages, and the problems that can arise when gay and lesbian people have to interact with their straight family members. These are explored through a variety of situations: Queer Duck comes out to his parents in the first episode; in another, Queer Duck and Openly Gator get married, and it's revealed that Queer Duck has a lesbian sister; and in other episodes, Queer Duck must deal with other family members, such as his straight brother, who is much beloved by their parents.

Much like The Critic, Queer Duck features numerous "cameo" voice appearances by celebrities; these voices are impersonated by the cast. In addition to Dr. Laura, the Queer Duck gang encounter Bob Hope, Jack Nicholson, Cary Grant and Barbra Streisand, with whom Queer Duck is obsessed, as well as noted ultra-conservative preacher Jerry Falwell. These celebrities are the only human characters. All other characters are anthropomorphic animals like Queer Duck and his friends, except for the woman Queer Duck sleeps with in the final episode.

Legacy
In 2005, Queer Duck was voted among the 100 Greatest Cartoons in a poll conducted by the British television network Channel 4, ranking at #94. In 2011, Queer Duck returned to introduce the 31st Jewish San Francisco Film Festival.

Film
Queer Duck: The Movie, a film based on the animated series, was released on DVD July 18, 2006. The film reunites the original creators and cast of Queer Duck, plus special guest stars Conan O'Brien as himself, Tim Curry as Peccery the butler, Jeff Glen Bennett as the main antagonist; a homophobic bigoted priest named Reverend Vandergelding, Mark Hamill as a hot dog vendor, Bruce Vilanch as himself, Andy Dick as former drag queen Rex (formerly Regina), Jackie Hoffman as Broadway actress Lola Buzzard, April Winchell doing additional voices and David Duchovny as "Tiny Jesus". Gay-themed channel Logo premiered the film on July 16. The film concerns Queer Duck struggling with his sexuality and his love crisis between his longtime partner Openly Gator or the spunky Broadway actress Lola Buiszzard.

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Fort Lawrence (Nova Scotia)

Fort Lawrence was a British fort built during Father Le Loutre's War and located on the Isthmus of Chignecto (in the modern-day community of Fort Lawrence).

Father Le Loutre's War
Despite the British Conquest of Acadia in 1710, Nova Scotia remained primarily occupied by Catholic Acadians and Mi'kmaq. Father Le Loutre's War began after Edward Cornwallis arrived to establish Halifax with 13 transports on June 21, 1749. The British quickly began to build other settlements. To guard against Mi'kmaq, Acadian and French attacks on the new Protestant settlements, British fortifications were erected in Halifax (1749), Bedford (Fort Sackville) (1749), Dartmouth (1750), Lunenburg (1753), and Lawrencetown (1754). Within 18 months of establishing Halifax, the British also took firm control of peninsula Nova Scotia by building fortifications in all the major Acadian communities: present-day Windsor (Fort Edward); Grand-Pré (Fort Vieux Logis) and Chignecto (Fort Lawrence). A British fort (Fort Anne) already existed at the other major Acadian centre of Annapolis Royal, Nova Scotia. Cobequid remained without a fort.

In the spring of 1750, a British Army expeditionary force under Major Charles Lawrence arrived at Beaubassin. The village was ordered burnt by the French priest Jean-Louis Le Loutre to ensure that the British could not profit from its seizure. The British forces soon found they were outnumbered by Acadians and Mi'kmaq. Lawrence's troops retreated but returned in September 1750 in greater numbers and engaged in the Battle at Chignecto.

After Le Loutre's militia retreated, Lawrence began to build Fort Lawrence, a palisade fort on a ridge immediately east of the Missaguash River, the disputed border between Acadia and Nova Scotia since the Treaty of Utrecht was signed, and within sight of Fort Beausejour. The structure was completed under the command of Captain John Handfield. 16 September 1750, the natives killed two soldiers and 11 rangers went missing. Two days later, natives took the ship Fair Lady with 5 crew on board. On October 4, Howe was killed. Oct. 11 Mangers schooner taken and burned. November 17, natives take five prisoners in front of the fort. Nov. 23, natives fired on cattle. Nov. 30, natives attacked a wood party, wounding three.

On August 15, 1752, Lt. Col. Robert Monckton took command of Fort Lawrence.

In 1753, Captain George Scott took command of the fort and in May, warriors scalped two British soldiers. Scott made contact with the spy Thomas Pichon. Scott relinquished command of Fort Lawrence in the autumn of 1754 and Captain John Hussey took over command. Preparations were then being made for an attack on Beauséjour, and he was appointed to command one of the two battalions of Massachusetts troops. He played a considerable part in the brief siege.

Fort Edward, Fort Lawrence, and Fort Anne were all supplied by and dependent on the arrival of Captains Cobb, Rogers or Taggart, in one of the government sloops. These vessels took the annual or semi-annual relief to their destination. They carried the officers and their families to and fro as required.

Battle of Beausejour
The Battle of Fort Beausejour ended Father Le Loutre's War and began the French and Indian War in the region. On June 4, 1755 the British conquest for all of France's North American territory began when a force of British regulars and New England militia attacked Fort Beauséjour from Fort Lawrence under command of Lt. Col. Robert Monckton. The British-led force took control of Fort Beauséjour by June 16, 1755, after which they changed the name to Fort Cumberland.

Expulsion of the Acadians
In the ensuing months, British forces attempted to get Acadians living in the region to sign an oath of allegiance to the British Crown, however the Acadians refused, preferring to stay neutral. In August 1755, the British Expulsion of the Acadians began with the Bay of Fundy Campaign (1755). The order was given by Governor of Nova Scotia, Charles Lawrence, the same military officer who had presided over construction of Fort Lawrence in 1750. Along with Fort Beausejour, Fort Lawrence was also used to imprison male Acadians. The most famous Acadian held here was Joseph Broussard (Beausoleil). On October 1, 1755, the Acadian prisoners at Fort Lawrence escaped. Joseph Broussard was one of the escapees.

Acadian homes were burnt by British forces to prevent their return. As the British army was now using the more substantial facility at Fort Cumberland, British forces decided to demolish the abandoned works at Fort Lawrence to prevent the facility being used as shelter by Acadians who may have escaped to nearby forests. Fort Lawrence was razed by fire on October 12, 1756 only 6 years after its construction.

Commanding officers

 * Charles Lawrence (British Army officer)
 * Major Southcott Hungerford Luttrell (45th)
 * Thomas Collier (military officer), Lascelles (47th) regiment (d.1752)
 * Robert Monckton (47th Regiment)
 * George Scott (army officer) (1753-1754) (40th Regiment)
 * John Hussey (47th Regiment)

Fort Lawrence National Historic Site
The site containing the archaeological remains of Fort Lawrence was designated a National Historic Site of Canada in 1923.

Today the site of Fort Lawrence is a barren field behind a visitor information centre. Plans are in place for a full reconstruction of the fort, however funding from various levels of government has yet to be allocated. Various archaeological explorations from Fort Lawrence have netted numerous artifacts, some of which can be viewed at a display at Fort Beauséjour National Historic Site.

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Pedro Delgado

Pedro Delgado Robledo (born 15 April 1960), also known as Perico, is a Spanish former professional road bicycle racer. He won the 1988 Tour de France, as well as the Vuelta a España in 1985 and 1989. He finished in the top 10 of eighteen Grand Tours.

Delgado tested positive for the known masking agent Probenecid during the 1988 tour. The drug, which had been placed on the International Olympic Committee's list of banned substances in January of that year, had not yet been banned by the sport's governing body, the Union Cycliste Internationale; as a consequence, Delgado was allowed to continue racing and was not charged with any doping offence.

He now works as a sports commentator for Televisión Española during important cycling events.

Tour de France record
Delgado took part in the Tour de France eleven times. During his first participation, when he was 23, he rose to second place in the overall classification after the 17th stage, before falling back later in the event.

In 1983, the Reynolds team participated in the Tour for the first time. Delgado was a young rider, and Ángel Arroyo was the star of the team. That year the Tour had four individual time trials (ITT), plus the prologue, and six mountainous stages. After the 17th stage Delgado was second in the overall classification, 1m08s behind Laurent Fignon, another 23-year-old rider competing in the Tour for the first time. However, Delgado drank a spoilt milk shake that caused him a stomach cramp during the next stage, ending in Morzine. He lost 25 minutes 34 seconds that day, and his first chance of winning the Tour. He finished in 15th position, 25 minutes 44 seconds behind Fignon.

1987 Tour de France
Delgado fought a long battle with Stephen Roche during the 1987 Tour de France, that was resolved in favour of Roche only in the penultimate stage, an ITT. The final difference was 40 seconds, at the time the second smallest difference ever recorded. Delgado was regarded as the third best time-trialist that year, with Roche considered the best. Roche later said:

"We were on French TV after the descent into Morzine [the last mountain stage, after which Delgado was still leader of the overall classification] and, off camera, he came up to me, hugged me, and said 'Bravo, you deserve the yellow jersey'. The TV people couldn't believe it! He's a fabulous competitor, but he's also a great, incredibly gallant guy and I think that's another reason why that Tour was so special."

1988 Tour de France
Delgado won the 1988 Tour de France by a comfortable margin. The evening after the 17th stage, the television channel "Antenne2" reported that Delgado had tested positive in a doping test. His team director José Miguel Echevarri was informed hours after by the Tour organization without mention of the substance. That night, Xavier Louy, director of the race, went to the hotel where Echavarri was and suggested to him that Delgado should withdraw. This was similar to the "Merckx affaire" in the 1969 Giro.

The following morning Echevarri received the official communication. The substance was probenecid, a medicine for the kidney and also a masking agent for anabolic steroids. In 1988, every sport had a different list of banned substances and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) had its own, although there was a commitment to unify the lists in 1990. Probenecid was in the IOC list, but not in the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) list (it would be one month later) and rule number 35 of the 1988 Tour regulations stated that the doping test would be carried out in accordance with the UCI rules. The technical jury declared that Delgado had not broken any UCI rule.

However, the Director of the Tour de France, Jean-Pierre Courcol, said "I now know that the letter can replace the spirit of the law and that the regulations can be played with, in order to give the appearance of utter innocence. Today, I am ashamed" and his deputy, Jean-Marie Leblanc, described it as a "dismal verdict". Other riders were also unhappy, with Andy Hampsten saying "Delgado took a drug to mask steroids. It's not on the banned list but it's a masking drug and that's what the commissaries should have acknowledged. I think it's a crime to let him wear the yellow jersey, a crime against the public and against the sport."

In 1988 the sanction for this type of doping was a penalty of 10 minutes, which was applied to Gert-Jan Theunisse during the same 1988 Tour de France; Delgado, having been cleared, received no such penalty. His final advantage over the second rider in the overall classification, Steven Rooks, was 7:13 minutes. Third, 9:58 behind, was Fabio Parra.

Delgado wore the yellow jersey for eleven days, and passed doping tests every day. There was no trace of probenecid nor steroids in any other test. He thanked the public for their support and claimed he would always be grateful for the support he received during the competition.

Xavier Louy was replaced as Tour director months later.

1989 Tour de France
At the 1989 Tour de France, Delgado arrived 2m 40s late for the prologue. He covered the distance only 14 seconds slower than Erik Breukink, the stage winner, but nevertheless became the first defending champion to begin the race in last place, 2:54 behind Breukink. He later said that he was very nervous and had not slept the previous night. The following day there were two stages. Due to this he was very weak and suffered hypoglycemia in the second stage, a decisive team time-trial. That day he would have been dropped by his team had they not waited, and he lost more time than in the previous stage, 4:32. After that second stage, he remained last in the overall classification, more than seven minutes behind the best-classified of the favourites, Laurent Fignon.

Delgado rode the rest of the race on the offensive. His reaction started in the 5th stage, a 73 km individual time-trial. He was second in the stage, 24 seconds behind Greg LeMond. In the first mountain stage, Delgado attacked during the last climb, gaining 29", but in the next stage Delgado, together with Robert Millar, finished 3:26 ahead of Fignon and 3:38 ahead of Lemond. Delgado was now 4th overall, 2:53 behind the leader, Fignon. After the 17th stage, finishing in Alpe d´Huez, final victory still seemed possible, Delgado was third overall, 1:55 behind Fignon and 1:29 behind Lemond, but he was unable to make up all the time he had lost in the early stages, and the final fight of that Tour had only two major figures: Laurent Fignon and the final winner, Greg LeMond.

Major results

 * 1979
 * 1st Stage 11 Tour de l'Avenir

 * 1980
 * 1st Stage 8 Giro Ciclistico d'Italia
 * 1st Stage 5 GP Tell

 * 1981
 * 1st Overall Vuelta a Murcia

 * 1982
 * 1st Clásica de Sabiñánigo
 * 1st Stage 4a Vuelta a Cantabria
 * 3rd Clásica de San Sebastián

 * 1983
 * 1st Overall Vuelta a Aragón
 * 1st Stage 3
 * 1st Stage 3a Vuelta a los Valles Mineros
 * 2nd Subida al Naranco
 * 4th Clásica de San Sebastián
 * 5th Overall Volta a Catalunya

 * 1984
 * 4th Overall Vuelta a España
 * Held after stages 7–11
 * 9th Overall Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco
 * 9th Overall Vuelta a Aragón

 * 1985
 * 1st Overall Vuelta a España
 * 1st Stage 6
 * 3rd Overall Vuelta a Murcia
 * 5th Overall Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco
 * 6th Overall Tour de France
 * 1st Stage 17
 * 9th Overall Volta a Catalunya

 * 1986
 * 1st Stage 12 Tour de France
 * 2nd Subida al Naranco
 * 3rd Overall Escalada a Montjuïc
 * 6th Overall Tour de Suisse
 * 7th Overall Volta a Catalunya
 * 8th Overall Setmana Catalana de Ciclisme
 * 10th Overall Vuelta a España

 * 1987
 * 2nd Overall Tour de France
 * 1st Stage 19
 * Held after stages 20–23
 * 4th Overall Vuelta a España
 * 7th Overall Volta a Catalunya

 * 1988
 * 1st Overall Tour de France
 * 1st Stage 13 (ITT)
 * Held after stages 12–22
 * 1st GP Miguel Induráin
 * 4th Overall Setmana Catalana de Ciclisme
 * 5th Trophée des Grimpeurs
 * 6th Overall Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco
 * 6th Overall Tour de Romandie
 * 7th Overall Giro d'Italia
 * 8th La Flèche Wallonne

 * 1989
 * 1st Overall Vuelta a España
 * 1st Stages 12, 15 (ITT) & 20 (ITT)
 * 2nd Overall Setmana Catalana de Ciclisme
 * 2nd Overall Volta a Catalunya
 * 3rd Overall Tour de France
 * 3rd Overall Escalada a Montjuïc
 * 3rd La Poly Normande
 * 4th Liège–Bastogne–Liège

 * 1990
 * 1st Stage 2 Setmana Catalana de Ciclisme
 * 1st GP Miguel Induráin
 * 2nd Overall Vuelta a España
 * 3rd Overall Volta a Catalunya
 * 4th Overall Tour de France
 * 4th Subida al Naranco

 * 1991
 * 1st Overall Vuelta a Burgos
 * 1st Mountains classification
 * 1st Stage 4
 * 1st Subida a Urkiola
 * 1st Clásica a los Puertos
 * 2nd Overall Volta a Catalunya
 * 2nd Clásica de San Sebastián
 * 9th Overall Tour de France
 * 10th Overall Tour de Romandie

 * 1992
 * 2nd Subida a Urkiola
 * 3rd Overall Vuelta a España
 * 1st Stage 14
 * 5th La Flèche Wallonne
 * 6th Overall Tour de France
 * 8th Overall Setmana Catalana de Ciclisme
 * 10th Overall Volta a Catalunya

 * 1993
 * 1st Overall Setmana Catalana de Ciclisme
 * 2nd Klasika Primavera
 * 3rd Overall Vuelta Asturias
 * 6th Overall Vuelta a España
 * 9th Overall Tour de France

 * 1994
 * 2nd Overall Vuelta Asturias
 * 2nd Subida al Naranco
 * 3rd Overall Vuelta a España
 * 3rd Overall Volta a Catalunya
 * 5th Overall Escalada a Montjuïc
 * 7th Overall Vuelta a Murcia

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Talk:George Noory

Neutrality
There are clearly a lot of people editing the page that don't like Noory. But there are also many people who do like him, but if all you had was this article, you would think he was a shallow, bumbling fool that no one liked. Whether you agree with this view or not, it is certainly not everyone's view, or even a majority. The section "Reception" is especially poor. Last I heard, coast to coast (with Noory as host) was the most listened to late night radio talk show in the US, and the 2nd most listened to radio talk show of them all, behind Rush Limbaugh. As of this edit, the show has 615 radio affiliates, which is a lot for a host that "no one likes". Over all, the article is not representative of the average or typical view of him at all. It's representative of a few people who miss Art Bell and who don't like the guy. Personally, I like them both. YouarelovedSOmuch (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm fairly new as an editor. I agree with you. If Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it doesn't matter what you think of George Noory. I find him to be neutral in his opinions on the C2C radio show. From what I've read on this talk page, it seems the arguing is more about the person, not the facts etc. Soli58 (talk) 05:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

George Noory never had the 2nd most listened to talk show or even close: https://www.radiodirect.com/radios-top-talkers-for-2019/ Late night paranormal talker George Noory occupies the #11 slot, posting his highest ranking in the annual survey.

His overall number of listeners is way down from when Art Bell used to host, but there are many more alternatives now for most people since the invention of smart phones.

St. Louis
He's mentioned numerous times that he grew up in St. Louis. Is this not true? 98.221.124.80 (talk) 10:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

He grew up in Detroit

Collective
He is an "Armenian talk show host" whose father was born in Egypt? Yet he is of Lebanese descent? He was born in Detroit, but grew up in Armenia? All of this is possible I suppose, but seems a bit unlikely. None of this is mentioned in the referenced articles. What is the source? Booleanorama (talk) 05:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

George has said himself (on Coast2coastam) that his father was born in Egypt, he emigrated to the U.S. He served in the U.S.Army in WW2. In 2009, Georges father was still living in the U.S. and was suffering from Prostate Cancer.Johnwrd (talk) 03:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The quotes make him sound like an idiot and disturbed man. I think this should be changed. --Zeerus 17:57, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

But he IS an idiot and a disturbed man. I do not see the problem.

There should be more about george here than this.

They claimed that Christopher Colombus was an idiot or a disturbed man when he said that the Earth was round as opposed to flat. What I'm trying to point out is that the article clearly states that he 'claimed' to have traveled back in time. Since he did 'claim' to, that claim can be taken as fact. Whether or not he actually traveled through time is not the issue, it's the fact that he made the claim. (No User Info)

The final paragraph that describes Noory's show where he claims to be Dexter Monterrey does not contain any context and could be perceived as a swipe at the host. Since he did in fact make that claim, it would certainly be inappropriate to completely remove the information. I have added additional details that will hopefully eliminate any perception of POV in the article without removing information. I have also clarified the "cave" claim, as I see that it was a source of confusion before. --dtony 00:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

About the quotes, they should reference the date of the shows he said them on. (Pwnage8 02:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC))

I have been listening to George Norry for years, and I think that for the most part this quick little article about him is pretty fair and doesn't make him out to be a freak or anything (I am glad about that). That being said, I am upset that it said the quote "Noory has stood by his foreboding notion that 2012 will be a year of calamitous change on a global scale." I have never heard George say once that he believes something catastrophic is going to happen. I checked the sources for this article and couldn't find where he said that anywhere. Therefore, I respectfully removed that line.

Hosting from a cave
I thought he was serious when he said he sometimes hosts from inside a cave. He even talked about this little cricket that kept pestering him. Are you guys sure it's not true? Boy do I feel foolish if it isn't - especially since I've been listening to the show since 1992!

-I'm not sure of the exact date, but sometime in the last six months, George described the "cave" he broadcasts from when in St. Louis. It's actually a converted bomb shelter, about (if memory serves) nine feet below-ground, out in what we presume is his backyard.Vu1kan (talk) 08:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I keep wondering about this...He mentions it a lot. I never heard the bomb shelter thing before. That makes more sense, but it is somehow a lot less interesting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.52.217.194 (talk) 16:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Supports Gun Rights
George recently stated to a caller in the show's 4th hour (on Open Lines) (Tuesday, February 13, 2007), in response to the recent mall shooting, that he supports gun rights, more specifically, the right for citizens to carry concealed weapons. I don't know where this would appropriately placed in the article, any ideas? Jay 23:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Would appropriately be placed alongside anything regarding Noory's conspiratorial views towards the government, because Noory is a gun rights supporter of the "resist government tyranny" variety. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.193.238.155 (talk) 17:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
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Fair use rationale for File:Coast2coastL noory b&w s.jpg
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"broadcast major" vs. year of graduation
I find the use of "broadcast major" a bit in the realm of weasel words. Can it be confirmed if Noory ever graduated? If so, what year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 133.101.207.189 (talk) 13:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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I was also suspicious of this as Noory strikes me as too unintelligent to hold a university degree even from a third tier toilet like UDM. But, shockingly: http://www.udmercy.edu/stay-connected/news-events/newsletters/clae/2009/02/noory/index.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.133.153 (talk) 16:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

imdb.com
I removed the Imdb.com link because wiki said its not a good source of info. the example as been set because of the rick still and ufo phil page.--208.54.4.178 (talk) 21:34, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Alex Jones
I changed the point that "Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist best known for claiming that the government perpetrated the Boston Bombing, is a regular guest" to "Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist best known for claiming that the government perpetrated the September 11th attacks, is a regular guest" because he was well-known as a 9-11 truther for over 10 years before becoming a Boston Bombing truther, and therefore it is more relevant, and more likely to serve as an identifying piece of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.193.238.155 (talk) 17:15, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Night Talk
For anyone who might be wondering who wrote Night Talk for George, it was Nancy Birnes (wife of William Birnes). Cerdic (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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His aunt, Shafica Karagulla
Noory has mentioned his aunt, Shafica Karagulla, many times:
 * https://www.google.com/search?&q=shafica+karagulla

I know nothing except what I see in Google results. I haven't read anything yet.

Hopefully, someone will put in a little info in the article since it seems significant in his life. -- Timeshifter (talk) 08:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

 * She is an author or co-author of several books. George Noory's radio show covers some of the same topics, and many similar topics. See some of the books:
 * https://www.amazon.com/s?k=shafica+karagulla
 * --Timeshifter (talk) 05:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Remove the tags?
The tags are very old, and what is neutrality of article being disputed? Seems fairly NPOV to me. I recommend tags removal. TyScienceGuy (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

George Norry politics & edit warring by a declared sockpuppet editor
An edit with a reliable cited source was made that George Norry was politically conservative among other radio talk show hosts listed. An editor now blocked for using 2 sock puppet (admitting using a VPN to hide their isp) (NowThatsMoreLikeItMrWayne & Howard Hawks Survives) created a third new profile (JulianAssange4President) blocked for not complying with Wikipedia's username policy now changed to (IWantToGoHomeNow) has been engaging in an edit warring to remove the word conservative without any citation other than doing their own research or explanation. The same sock puppet editor also unsuccessfully tried to block any new edits made to this page for the same reason.

Although editor User:S0091 has reverted my edit based on their claim that the source was weak but yet still reliable, as well as using a 14 year old article (dated in 2010) by The Atlantic of George Noory's politics as being undetermined at that time in 2010. Much has changed politically in the last 14 years as the cited source by the Seattle Post Alley is recent dated Sept 2023. Whether User:S0091 believes this recent source is a weak source or not, it is not on a list of unreliable sources so it should be respected otherwise.

I'm Not going to engage in an edit warring with User User:S0091 like the sock puppet with 3 recent blocked profiles (NowThatsMoreLikeItMrWayne, Howard Hawks Survives, JulianAssange4President) now using a new name "IWantToGoHomeNow" has been habitually doing with me for unknown reasons, so will take this to the talk page for additional Wikipedia editors to discuss. Is the edit being removed for personal or business relations reasons by someone who is related?

Although I have not started a profile to sign my edits, I am in no ways attempting to hide my ISP number unlike the declared sock puppet editor who has been removing my edits now under their 4th profile name, admitting on their talk page of using a VPN to hide their ISP when making edits for one of their previous blocked sock puppet profiles. 68.97.34.153 (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi IP, I came across this article while researching the sock (see the SPI investigations I have filed) and happen to agree with the removal which is why restored it but for different reasons. I am not asserting the source in question is unreliable.  It is reliable in so far as supporting Nick Licata described Noor as a "conservative commentator". However, I am asserting commentary by a local Seattle politician published in local Seattle publication is not a "significant view" per WP:NPOV so is WP:UNDUE and should not be stated as fact in Wikipedia's voice.  In addition to the sources cited in the article, I checked Google News and ProQuest to see if any major mainstream publications have referred to him as a conservative but did not find any, with the only source that broached his personal political leanings was The Atlantic which described him as a person of "indeterminate politics".  Do double check me and if you find major mainstream sources that show Noor being consistently described as a conservative please present them. S0091 (talk) 17:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 * How much research did you really do if you can't even spell his name right?
 * Noory was always conservative leaning, obvious to anyone even prior to Trump, but in the last eight years has become a raging MAGA. It's clear from a wide review that he is included in the grouping of conservative talk-radio hosts, that he is personally conservative, and that he attracts a conservative audience. He may personally protest the label but so what. He'd lose half his audience if he didn't deny it.
 * Propublica includes him among a review of "several of the most-listened-to conservative hosts"
 * RationalWiki, which we can't use as a source but is reliable, clearly calls him out for moving the show to the right-wing.
 * NYT, includes him among conspiracy mongers without actually stating everyone in their callout is also right-wing.
 * CounterPunch, a meh on WP:RSN calls him conservative.
 * And then you have all the stations that subscribe to his syndication, overwhelmingly right-wing
 * 92.5 florida "Right All Along"
 * am 550 west texas "conservative voices you trust"
 * "Nebraska AM Station Drops Country for Conservative Talk"
 * You might not or might use one or two these as sourcing in the main article, but they're good enough to prove the point on the talk page that what was said in the removed reference was valid. The removed reference might not be the best source, but it is a source, and what it claims is the mainstream POV.
 * I have real problems when someone comes along, doesn't actually have knowledge of the issue, demonstrates their poor quality of research, and then restores a POV deletion by a banned editor. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 07:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Factcheck (disambiguation)

Factcheck or variants may refer to:

 * Fact-checking, the process of verifying the factual accuracy of questioned reporting and statements
 * FactCheck.org, a nonprofit website
 * Fact Check (album), by NCT 127, 2023

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User talk:Protokurios

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title: User talk:Protokurios