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Demographics of New York City

New York City is a large and ethnically diverse metropolis. It is the largest city in the United States with a long history of international immigration. The New York region continues to be by far the leading metropolitan gateway for legal immigrants admitted into the United States. The city is the geographical and demographic center of both the Northeast megalopolis and the New York metropolitan area, the largest metropolitan area in the U.S. by both population and urban area. With over 20.1 million people in its metropolitan statistical area and 23.5 million in its combined statistical area as of 2020, New York City is one of the world's most populous megacities.

The city and its metropolitan area are the premier gateway for legal immigration to the United States. New York City enforces a right-to-shelter law guaranteeing shelter to anyone who needs shelter, regardless of their immigration status; and the city is home to more than 3.2 million residents born outside the U.S., the largest foreign-born population of any city in the world as of 2016.

Throughout its history, New York City has been a major point of entry for immigrants; the term "melting pot" was coined to describe densely populated immigrant neighborhoods on the Lower East Side. As many as 800 languages are spoken in New York,  making it the most linguistically diverse city in the world. English remains the most widely spoken language, although there are areas in the outer boroughs in which up to 25% of people speak English as an alternate language, and/or have limited or no English language fluency. English is least spoken in neighborhoods such as Flushing, Sunset Park, and Corona.

New York's two key demographic features are its density and diversity. It is often regarded as one of the most diverse major cities in both the US, and world; with significant populations of European, Caribbean, Latin American, African, Asian and Middle Eastern Americans all having a major presence within the city and its metropolitan area. The city has an extremely high population density of 26,403 people per square mile (10,194/km2), about 10,000 more people per square mile than the next densest large American city, San Francisco. Manhattan's population density is 66,940 people per square mile (25,846/km2). The city has a long tradition of attracting international immigration and Americans seeking careers in certain sectors. As of 2006, New York City has ranked number one for seven consecutive years as the city most U.S. residents would most like to live in or near.

Demographic profile

New York City is the most populous city in the United States, with an estimated 8,804,190 people living in the city, according to the 2020 U.S. Census (up from 8,175,133 in 2010; 8.0 million in 2000; and 7.3 million in 1990). This amounts to about 44% of New York State's population and a similar percentage of the metropolitan regional population. New York's two key demographic features are its population density and cultural diversity. The city's population density of 29,091.3 people per square mile (11,232/km2), makes it the densest of any American municipality with a population above 100,000. Manhattan's population density is 74,781 people per square mile (28,872/km2), highest of any county in the United States.

New York City is multicultural. About 36% of the city's population is foreign-born, one of the highest among US cities. The eleven nations constituting the largest sources of modern immigration to New York City are the Dominican Republic, China, Jamaica, Guyana, Mexico, Ecuador, Brazil, Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago, Colombia, Russia and El Salvador.

New York is the largest city in the United States, with the city proper's population more than double the next largest city, Los Angeles (or roughly equivalent to the combined populations of Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston, the United States' second, third, and fourth most populous cities respectively). In 2006, demographers estimated New York's population would reach 9.1 million by 2030. In 2000 the reported life expectancy of New Yorkers was above the national average. Life expectancy for females born in 2009 in New York City is 80.2 years and for males is 74.5 years.

Households
The 2000 census counted 2,021,588 households with a median income of $38,293. 30% of households had children under the age of 18, and 37% were married couples living together. 19% had a single female householder, and 39% were non-families. 32% of all households were made up of individuals, and 10% were single residents 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.59 persons, and the average family size was 3.32. The median age in New York City in 2000 was 34 years. For every 100 females, there were 90 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 86 males.

During the 2000s, Manhattan experienced a "baby boom" unique among U.S. cities. Between 2000 and 2007, the number of children under age 5 living in Manhattan grew by more than 32%. The increase is driven mostly by affluent white families with median household incomes over $300,000.

Income
Overall, nominal household income in New York City is characterized by large variations. This phenomenon is especially true of Manhattan, which in 2005 was home to the highest incomes U.S. census tract, with a household income of $188,697, as well as the lowest, where household income was $9,320. The disparity is driven in part by wage growth in high income brackets. In 2006 the average weekly wage in Manhattan was $1,453, the highest among the largest counties in the United States. Wages in Manhattan were the fastest growing among the nation's 10 largest counties. Among young adults in New York who work full-time, women now earn more money than men — approximately $5,000 more in 2005.

New York City's borough of Manhattan is the highest nominal income county in the United States. In particular, ZIP code 10021 on Manhattan's Upper East Side, with more than 100,000 inhabitants and a per capita income of over $90,000, has one of the largest concentrations of income in the United States. The other boroughs, especially Queens and Staten Island, have large middle-class populations. New York City's per capita income in 2000 was $22,402; men and women had a median income of $37,435 and $32,949 respectively. 21.2% of the population and 18.5% of families had incomes below the federal poverty line; 30.0% of this group were under the age of 18 and 17.8% were 65 and older. Of Forbes Magazine's 400 richest American billionaires, 70 live in New York City. Former mayor and Presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg is one of the nation's richest men. As of 2009 New York has regained the number one spot as the city with most billionaires (55), after losing out to Moscow in 2008.

New York City has a high degree of income variation. In 2005 the median household income in the highest census tract was reported to be $188,697, while in the lowest it was $9,320. The variance is driven by wage growth in high income brackets, while wages have stagnated for middle and lower income brackets. In 2006 the average weekly wage in Manhattan was $1,453, the highest and fastest growing among the largest counties in the United States. The borough is also experiencing a "baby boom" among the wealthy that is unique among U.S. cities. Since 2000, the number of children under age 5 living in Manhattan has grown by more than 32%.

In 2000, about 3 out of every 10 New York City housing units were owner-occupied, compared to about 2 owner-occupied units out of every 3 units in the U.S. as a whole. Rental vacancy is usually between 3% and 4.5%, well below the 5% threshold defined to be a housing emergency, justifying the continuation of rent control and rent stabilization. About 33% of rental units fall under rent stabilization, according to which increases are adjudicated periodically by city agencies. Rent control covers only a very small number of rental units. Some critics point to New York City's strict zoning and other regulations as partial causes for the housing shortage, but during the city's decline in population from the 1960s through the 1980s, a large number of apartment buildings suffered suspected arson fires or were abandoned by their owners. Once the population trend was reversed, with rising prospects for rentals and sales, new construction has resumed, but generally for purchasers in higher income brackets.

Projections
Neighborhood Tabulation Areas (NTAs) are a geographic unit created to help project populations at a small area level, as part of the long-term sustainability plan for the city known as PlaNYC, covering the years 2000–2030. The minimum population for an NTA is 15,000 people, a level seen as a useful summary level which can be used both with the 2010 Census and the American Community Survey.

New York has ranked first in population among American cities since the first census in 1790. New York will maintain this position for the foreseeable future, although there are varying forecasts on how much the population will increase. The most realistic population projections from the Department of City Planning anticipate a 1.1 million increase by 2030, bringing the city's population total to 9.1 million.

While the city's projected 2030 population will be a new high, only two boroughs, Staten Island and Queens have reached their population peak every year for the last 5 years. The study projects that by 2030, Queens will have 2.57 million people and Staten Island 552,000. Manhattan, with 1.83 million, Bronx with 1.46 million and Brooklyn with 2.72 million, will still be below their population peaks.

Disputed 2010 Census data
On March 27, 2011, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced that the city would file a formal challenge to the Census results, as a result of alleged undercounting in the boroughs of Queens and Brooklyn. The mayor has asserted that the numbers for Queens and Brooklyn, the two most populous boroughs, are implausible. According to the Census, they grew by only 0.1% and 1.6%, respectively, while the other boroughs grew by between 3% and 5%. In addition, the Mayor claims, the census showed improbably high amounts of vacant housing in vital neighborhoods such as Jackson Heights, Queens.

Race and ethnicity

The city's population in 2020 was 30.9% White (non-Hispanic), 28.3% Hispanic or Latino, 20.2% Black or African American (non-Hispanic), 15.6% Asian, and 0.2% Native American (non-Hispanic). A total of 3.4% of the non-Hispanic population identified with more than one race and 1.4% as some other race.

In 2013, approximately 36% of the city's population is foreign born, and more than half of all children are born to mothers who are immigrants. Between 1990 and 2000 the city admitted 1,224,524 immigrants. Demographers and city officials have observed that immigration to New York City has been slowing since 1997. This is mostly due to more and more immigrants choosing directly to locate to the city's suburbs and then commute to the city or work in many of its booming edge cities such as Fort Lee, NJ, Hempstead, NY, Morristown, NJ, Stamford, CT, White Plains, NY, and others. Despite the slowdown in immigration the city's overall immigrant population has continued to increase and in 2006 it numbered 3.038 million (37.0%) up from 2.871 million (35.9%) in 2000. By 2013, the population of foreign-born individuals living in New York City had increased to 3.07 million, and as a percentage of total population, was the highest it had been in the past 100 years.

Throughout its history, New York City has been a principal port of entry for immigration to the United States. These immigrants often form ethnic enclaves, neighborhoods dominated by one ethnicity. The city experienced major immigration from Europe in the 19th century and another major wave in the early 20th century, being admitted into the United States of America primarily through Ellis Island. Since the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and particularly since the 1980s, New York City has seen renewed rates of high immigration. Newer immigrants are from Latin America, the Caribbean, Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa. 36% of the city's population is foreign-born. Among U.S. cities, this proportion is higher only in Los Angeles and Miami.

In New York, no single country or region of origin dominates. The ten largest sources of foreign-born individuals in the city were the Dominican Republic, China, Mexico, Guyana, Jamaica, Ecuador, Haiti, India, Russia, Trinidad and Tobago, and El Salvador. Queens has the largest Asian American and Andean populations in the United States, and is also the most ethnically and linguistically diverse urban area in the world.

The metropolitan area is home to 20% of the nation's Indian Americans and at least 20 Little India enclaves, and 15% of all Korean Americans and four Koreatowns; the largest Asian Indian population in the Western Hemisphere; the largest Russian American, Italian American, and African American populations; the largest Dominican American, Puerto Rican American, and South American and second-largest overall Hispanic population in the United States, numbering 4.8 million; and includes multiple established Chinatowns within New York City alone.

New York City has the largest European and non-Hispanic white population of any American city, with 2.7 million in 2012. The European diaspora residing in the city is very diverse and many European ethnic groups have formed enclaves in New York. More than 12 million European immigrants were received at Ellis Island between 1892 and 1954.

Asian Americans in New York City, according to the 2010 census, number more than one million, greater than the combined totals of San Francisco and Los Angeles. New York contains the highest total Asian population of any U.S. city proper. New York has the largest Chinese population of any city outside Asia, and the Manhattan's Chinatown is the highest concentration of Chinese people in the Western Hemisphere,*
 * while Queens is home to the largest Tibetan population outside Asia. As of 2023, illegal Chinese immigration to New York City, especially to Queens and its Flushing Chinatown, has accelerated, and a significant new wave of Chinese Uyghur Muslims is fleeing religious persecution in northwestern China’s Xinjiang Province and seeking religious freedom in New York. Arab Americans number over 160,000 in New York City, with the highest concentration in Brooklyn. Central Asians, primarily Uzbek Americans, are a rapidly growing segment of the city's non-Hispanic White population.
 * while Queens is home to the largest Tibetan population outside Asia. As of 2023, illegal Chinese immigration to New York City, especially to Queens and its Flushing Chinatown, has accelerated, and a significant new wave of Chinese Uyghur Muslims is fleeing religious persecution in northwestern China’s Xinjiang Province and seeking religious freedom in New York. Arab Americans number over 160,000 in New York City, with the highest concentration in Brooklyn. Central Asians, primarily Uzbek Americans, are a rapidly growing segment of the city's non-Hispanic White population.
 * while Queens is home to the largest Tibetan population outside Asia. As of 2023, illegal Chinese immigration to New York City, especially to Queens and its Flushing Chinatown, has accelerated, and a significant new wave of Chinese Uyghur Muslims is fleeing religious persecution in northwestern China’s Xinjiang Province and seeking religious freedom in New York. Arab Americans number over 160,000 in New York City, with the highest concentration in Brooklyn. Central Asians, primarily Uzbek Americans, are a rapidly growing segment of the city's non-Hispanic White population.
 * while Queens is home to the largest Tibetan population outside Asia. As of 2023, illegal Chinese immigration to New York City, especially to Queens and its Flushing Chinatown, has accelerated, and a significant new wave of Chinese Uyghur Muslims is fleeing religious persecution in northwestern China’s Xinjiang Province and seeking religious freedom in New York. Arab Americans number over 160,000 in New York City, with the highest concentration in Brooklyn. Central Asians, primarily Uzbek Americans, are a rapidly growing segment of the city's non-Hispanic White population.

New York is also home to the highest Jewish population of any city in the world, numbering 960,000 in 2023, more than Tel Aviv and Jerusalem combined. In the borough of Brooklyn, an estimated 1 in 4 residents is Jewish.

Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia, Guyana, Peru, and Brazil, are the top source countries from South America for immigrants to the New York City region; the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Haiti, and Trinidad and Tobago in the Caribbean; Nigeria, Egypt, Ghana, Tanzania, Kenya, and South Africa from Africa; and El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala in Central America. Amidst a resurgence of Puerto Rican migration to New York City, this population had increased to approximately 1.5 million in the metropolitan area.

Since 2010, Little Australia has emerged and is growing rapidly, representing the Australasian presence in Nolita, Manhattan. In 2011, there were an estimated 20,000 Australian residents of New York City, nearly quadruple the 5,537 in 2005. Qantas Airways of Australia and Air New Zealand have been planning for long-haul flights from New York to Sydney and Auckland, which would both rank among the longest non-stop flights in the world.

Languages
According to the 2022 American Community Survey, the most commonly spoken languages in New York City by people aged 5 years and over (7,863,226 people):
 * Speak only English: 52%
 * Language other than English: 48%
 * Spanish: 23.1%
 * Other Indo-European languages: 12.8%
 * Asian languages and Pacific Island languages: 9%
 * Other languages: 3.1%

Christianity
Largely as a result of Western European missionary work and colonialism, Christianity is the largest religion (59% adherent) in New York City, which is home to the highest number of churches of any city in the world. Roman Catholicism is the largest Christian denomination (33%), followed by Protestantism (23%), and other Christian denominations (3%). The Roman Catholic population are primarily served by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York and Diocese of Brooklyn. Eastern Catholics are divided into numerous jurisdictions throughout the city. Evangelical Protestantism is the largest branch of Protestantism in the city (9%), followed by Mainline Protestantism (8%), while the converse is usually true for other cities and metropolitan areas. In Evangelicalism, Baptists are the largest group; in Mainline Protestantism, Reformed Protestants compose the largest subset. The majority of historically African American churches are affiliated with the National Baptist Convention (USA) and Progressive National Baptist Convention. The Church of God in Christ is one of the largest predominantly Black Pentecostal denominations in the area. Approximately 1% of the population is Mormon. The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America and other Orthodox Christians (mainstream and independent) were the largest Eastern Christian groups. The American Orthodox Catholic Church (initially led by Aftimios Ofiesh) was founded in New York City in 1927.

Judaism
In 2011, a report by the UJA-Federation of New York found the Jewish population of New York City to stand at 1.1 million. In that same study, 16% of Jews in the New York City and the nearby Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester counties identified as ethnically Jewish, as opposed to being religiously Jewish. Judaism is the second-largest religion practiced in New York City, making it the largest Jewish community of any city in the world, greater than the totals of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Nearly half of the city's Jews live in Brooklyn, which is one-quarter Jewish. In 2012, the largest Jewish denominations were Orthodox, Haredi, and Conservative Judaism. The first wave of Jewish migration to New York City occurred the 1650s, consisting of Sephardic Jews from Recife who originally sought refuge in Dutch Brazil following the Spanish Inquisition, and later fled to New York after Portugal retook Recife. The Jewish population in New York City exploded from 80,000 Jews in 1880 to 1.5 million in 1920, as Jews from Eastern Europe fled pogroms and discrimination. The Jewish population peaked at 2.2 million in 1940. A large portion of the population suburbanized after World War II, as a part of the larger trend of White flight. Still, the 1970s saw the arrival of Jews migrating to New York City from the USSR, Syria, and Iran. Reform Jewish communities are prevalent through the area. 770 Eastern Parkway is the headquarters of the international Chabad Lubavitch movement, and is considered an icon, while Congregation Emanu-El of New York in Manhattan is the largest Reform synagogue in the world.

Islam
Islam ranks as the third largest religion in New York City, following Christianity and Judaism, with estimates ranging between 600,000 and 1,000,000 observers of Islam, including 10% of the city's public school children. 22.3% of American Muslims live in New York City, with 1.5 million Muslims in the greater New York metropolitan area, representing the largest metropolitan Muslim population in the Western Hemisphere —and the most ethnically diverse Muslim population of any city in the world. Powers Street Mosque in Brooklyn is one of the oldest continuously operating mosques in the U.S., and represents the first Islamic organization in both the city and the state of New York.

Hinduism and other religious affiliations
Following these three largest religious groups in New York City are Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, and a variety of other religions. As of 2023, 24% of Greater New Yorkers identified with no organized religious affiliation, including 4% Atheist.

Wealth and income disparity
New York City, like other large cities, has a high degree of income disparity, as indicated by its Gini coefficient of 0.55 as of 2017. In the first quarter of 2014, the average weekly wage in New York County (Manhattan) was $2,749, representing the highest total among large counties in the United States. In 2022, New York City was home to the highest number of billionaires of any city in the world, with a total of 107. New York also had the highest density of millionaires per capita among major U.S. cities in 2014, at 4.6% of residents. New York City is one of the relatively few American cities levying an income tax (about 3%) on its residents. As of 2018, there were 78,676 homeless people in New York City.

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 23:33, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sheila Brown-Halworth
first female African-American Jew of Malaysian and African ancestry to serve on a county seat in northern southwestern New Hampshire. A strange claim to fame, and does not appear on Google at all. Delete as non-notable, unverifiable, possible joke. --Henrygb 18:00, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Delete Even if this woman is real (which I highly doubt), the woman is completely insignificant! "The first African-American Jew of both Malaysian and African ancestry to serve on a county seat in northern southwestern New Hampshire?" What? I could say that I'm the first middle aged man over six feet tall to father two college-bound children by the name of Sarah and Annie in 1974, that doesn't mean I'm noteworhty! Also, I want to nominate an article for deletion and can't figure out how. It's a real piece of trash called Mid Century WarThanks. History21

 * Delete as hoax. I've tagged that "Mid Century War" idiocy as a speedy.  It's a rambling, incoherent "future history" essay that's managed to avoid detection since March 25. - Lucky 6.9 18:12, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like "Mid Century War" is now past history. Good catch, History21! - Lucky 6.9 18:19, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete hoax, joke. I imagine the party would've been a blast though. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  18:22, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unnotable even if it's not a hoax. - Marcika 23:21, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, hoax. Megan1967 07:30, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Race by itself doesn't establish notability.  And all Google results on her name are related to this VfD.  This looks like a hoax to me. --Idont Havaname 03:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Strange votes

 * Delete Soooooooo tempting, but it's got to go. Maybe I'll be the first twenty-somethign history buff with blonde hair and blue eyes to delete a wikipedia article relating to a democratically elected African leader. User:liz1848
 * Delete Completely unnotable User:bit89medieval
 * Delete As if. User:Endi
 * I've edited these three to link to their blank user pages rather than articles. All three look dubious and should probably not be counted. --Henrygb 23:05, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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Talk:Patel

Patel Hotel Motel Cartel
seriously? you really want to add that? no one even uses that. thats all FOB stuff.

VfD Debate
This article was kept after this VfD debate. Sjakkalle 14:26, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

VP patel, "Bharat ke 5Lp patel; C"
On 01:38, 25 August 2006, anon IP 68.154.33.6 added a reference to the book Bharat ke Chaudhary by VP Desai. I can't find any evidence of its existence outside of Wikipedia. Help anyone? --Adamrush 03:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Rate of Patels?
In the 'Patels in Britain' section, it says "rate of Patels." Although I am not a geographer, I think it is a bit ironic to use the word rate. Bhaveer 19:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Patels
Should the List of Patels be its own page? A search of wikipedia shows that the list on this page isn't nearly exhaustive. Akubhai 20:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity
I tried to clean it up a little but most of it doesn't cite sources and doesn't make sense. It should probably be erased and started over. Akubhai 17:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Patil?
Maybe we should merge with Patil - Patel is just a variant of Patil. — Stevey7788 (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No objection here. --Adamrush 02:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Assuming they are just variants of each other, no objection here either Akubhai 15:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They are not variants of each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.4.10 (talk) 11:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

No Patils from Mahratha have lost their pure genes for the most part and have mixed bred with other groups. I don't claim any relation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.149.102 (talk) 22:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no relation between Patel and Patil. Both has different origin and history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.46.180 (talk) 02:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Fixing the "citiation needed sections"
How do we go about fixing this article? Can I just remove the sentences that are tagged "citation neeeded" and start over again? rahul 23:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Patel does equal to Patidar!
I was surprised when clicking on the link Patidar brought me to page dedicated to Patel. Patel is a caste as Kanbis or Patidars. The use of lastname Patel cut across castes, religions and regions. I think the claim by Kanbi caste (both the Leuva and Kadwa) of Gujarat on name Patel is within Hindu caste system holier than thou (Sanskritization process as its called in India) by adapting to high sounding name for their caste. In other parts of Gujarat the last name Patel is used by members of other castes.

Hence, this page is totally misleading in terms of defining surname Patel as it seems the page has been created solely by members of Kanbi caste to paint themselves as Patels. Dcpatel (talk) 21:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC) I have also learned that the first wave of farmers invited by the kings of North Gujarat were called Kanabis. These Kanabees (KANA=GRAIN and BEE=SEED)were immigrants from the farm lands of the Punjab lured to Gujarat with the promise of the free land. The king had land, the kanabis had skill. The kanabis told the kings the stories of beautiful fair complexioned ladies of the Punjab. The kings brought some of these women as their mistresses. The children of these mistresses were flesh and blood of the kings. They were given five villages or six villages of land to cultivate with the full ownership. These descendants have more of greek features in them as compared to the kanabis. They are taller, lighter in skin complexion, and display aura of landlords. I had read this in 1987 in a scholarly journal published by Gujarat University branch in Ahmedabad. I wish I had written down the source. And now I cannot reference it without the publication details. On my next visit to India, I will try to find it. The strange aftermath is that those descendants beget by the mistresses look down on the kanabis as inferior and of lower status.

Ok I want to say somethings about moving upward in Sanskrit,

First it's done by cast which are from lower strata of society i.e. in current India OBC, SC, ST. Kanbis and kolis are upper cast group( Uzariat) as known in Gujarat. Anjana and Chowdharis are OBC( other backward class), Dholias are ST( Schedule Tribe) so only Leua,Kadava and koli are consider as upper caste in Gujarat. About Anjana Chowdharis are doing it to move upward and prove self as Kshatriya in first para we can see that. No need to jump your guns but keep article as Contemporary as possible and remove remarks of Shudras and such( we don't call OBC groups Shudras though they enjoy reservation policy benefit). OBC are backward cast and they were in pastoral business in past( not now like Yadavas, Ahirs, Choudharis). Agriculture was never shudra work, only in south India it was said so cause they have only two casts Brahmanas and Shudras( their king was also called Shudra sometime because of late Brahmanization). Uttame Kheti, Madhyme Vepar, Kanisthe Chakari so Agricuture was never lower caste job. Kadava,Leuva and koli still enjoy Upper Caste status in Gujarat change it accordingly or just make it article for Patel surname only including Muslims.

Sources are as follows( You can read them if you like they are not about Patel but Ancient and Medieval Indian History) Wonder that was India, A L Basam. RUPA CO. Early India, Romila Thapar. PENGUIN. An Advanced History of India, R C Majumadar, Raychudhari, Datta. MACMILLAN. The Mughal Empire, J F Richards, Cambridge. Medieval India, Satish Chandra, HAR ANAND. A Histroty of South India, K A Nilakanta Sastri, OXFORD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.99.160.167 (talk) 19:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Ethnicity section
This section needs fixing. It's entirely unclear where the quote begins and where it ends. It would be good if someone with knowledge of the topic could address that. Akerbeltz (talk) 23:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Intro rewrite
I've rewritten the introduction. I hope that it's now easier to read. Maikel (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Patels?
Just reading the first paragraph (let alone the whole article), it's quite apparent is not even 50% correct. (Hindu) Patels are not one group, it contains many castes and if you go to a city like Ahmedabad, you will see they don't even mix. In fact, many of the lower caste Patels don't even mixed with the higher caste Patels. The Patel dispora again is not united in either North America or the UK.

And it should be pointed out that not all Patels are descended from one group of people. Like most groups in India (and South Asia), they are descended from various groups of people.

I won't put this into the article, since the 'self-appointed' editors will remove it, but why were the sections removed, it now looks like someone has just copied and pasted in their essay they once wrote for a school project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.131.110.103 (talk) 09:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I've tried to change some of this, noting that Patel is just an overall name. Also noting that Gujarat Patels are Shudra; still looking for a good footnote about Jat Patels.  I'm seeing a lot of references to "jat-patels", as in "managers of a jat".  Anyone have any good refs on the widespreadness of the term Patel regardless of caste? MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

See Also: Removed spam
I've removed the Patel Matrimony spam placed in the article (and on the discussion page).Es330td (talk) 14:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Dubious change
This change was really dubious. Don't know what to do about it. --Ettrig (talk) 08:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish you had reverted it. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

WHATS THE RELATION AMONG GUJRATI PATELS AND KURMIS ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.253.181.150 (talk) 19:49, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Patels in England, 14th century
While the surname PATEL does not appear in Bardsley's "A dictionary of English and Welsh surnames"(London, 1901), I encountered a whole batch of people of this surname in court rolls of the manors of Walsham le Willows in Suffolk, in the 14th century. These seem highly unlikely to have any connection with India. My source is "The Court Rolls of Walsham le Willows, 1351-1399", edited by Ray Lock; Suffolk Records Society, vol. XLV, 2002 - Gordon Johnson, Caithness, Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.166.99 (talk) 23:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

The thrust of this article is the surname Patel that originated in India. You'd be mistaken if you assumed that it only ever originated from India. There is a history of the Patel family name in other countries of Europe, including France, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Patel name from India. It's most likely that the 14th century Patel was originally from Europe, and likely with French origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.196.161.203 (talk) 05:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

3 or 4 ?
"Patels are separated in 3..." and then we have a list of 4?178.149.135.33 (talk) 20:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Etymology Section
I found the following information about the etymology of the word:

According to the Oxford Hindi Dictionary, the word paTel has two definitions: 1. headman of a village; village elder. 2. name of a Gujarati trading community. Nothing about hotels. Could it just be a case of end rhyme?

The OHD etymology for paTel traces it back to Sanskrit paTTakila-. This is derived from the word paTTa, meaning 'a slab, tablet' (for painting or writing upon); (esp.) a copper plate for inscribing royal grants or orders'. From this last sense (plus ?khila, 'piece of land') comes the word paTTakila meaning 'the tenant (by royal edict) of a piece of land'.

The same last-name semantic pattern obtains in other parts of India: Rao and Reddy in Andhra Pradesh, and Chaudhury in Bengal, all meaning village headman hereditary caste.

Could this be inserted in the Etymology Section? (which is currently empty) I tried to add myself but it got removed, which I'm guessing was because it's a link to a forum post? However they say that their source was Oxford Hindi Dictionary, which I cannot find online.. but I've no reason not to believe them. I see a lot of sources cited as just page numbers to books so perhaps it could cited as that, but I'm not familiar with all the rules.

Hindivindi (talk) 04:50, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hindivindi, no matter who it claims to cite, a forum post is not a reliable source. --Neil N  talk to me 13:17, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN, I did some further research and found the following results in Google Books search results which seem to support the above mentioned forum post.

Each village had a headman, the patel (the pattakila of ancient lithic and copperplace records), ...

Could this be considered a reliable source? Hindivindi (talk) 18:08, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Request to add this statement: Under leadership pf hardik patel, patels are fighting for backward caste. reliable source link:http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/tension-in-gujarat-after-patel-stir-hardik-detained-then-released/story-WYUrZtjK340qaB0w017X1O.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.107.58.116 (talk) 04:21, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Required status column for Telaga caste. Mark as Forward caste
Wikepedia to add this content to Telaga Caste pages and also pass this information to the user who edits this page. Also, it is mentioned as backward peasant caste under Kapu Caste category which is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste.

Telaga Caste

Telaga is a Community of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the Coastal Areas of Andhra. The Telagas are Agriculturists by Profession and have been Fuedal landlords. Telaga is a Branch or a Division of the Kapu, or Naidu Community of Andhra. They have the caste title Naidu, Dora. They are classified as Forward Caste or OC category.

Contents Sub Castes

Origins

Legend

Telaga Names

Sub Castes The other SubCastes or Geographical Names of Telagas are

Kapu

Balija / Balija Naidu

Munnuru Kapu (Patels)

Turpu Kapu

Ontari

Naidu

Origins The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. Telagas are the most ancient Warrior/Agricultural clans of the Deccan and South India who are specialised in warfare.

The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana.Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu.

The Telagas have served as Nayakulu (Governors),commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin.These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name might also might have been derived Telaga.

They formed the bulwark of Ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas,Pallavas,Chalukyas,Kakatiyas etc.They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas.

The Vassals of Chalukyas entered into Matrimonial Alliances and ultimately established the Chalukya- Chola Dynasity. Etukuri Balaramamurthy and Colin McKenzie in fact mentione that these Telagas or Kapu communnity are the Descendants of these were these Telugu Cholas.

Telugu Cholas The Telugu Cholas rules for over Four Centuries the various regions of Andhra.

Important ruling Clans were

Velanati Choluluof Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju.

Renati Cholas

Konidena Cholas

Nannuru Cholas

Nellore Chola Kings

After the fall of the Easten Chalukyan kingdoms and the Velanati Cholas. The Telagas had to serve under the Kakateeyas as Vassals and accept their Suzzienarity.Under the new rulers they were given the title Nayaka/Nayakudu and played a major role in shaping the history of modern Andhra.

After the fall of the Kakateeyas the Telagas under Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka led the battle against the invading Bahamanis by combining forces with the Reddy,Velama and Balija Nayaks and liberated the Andhra Country from Tyrranny nd Destruction.

Telagas had matrimonial Alliances with the Kakateeya and Vijayanagar Rulers.Araveeti Rama Raya the son in law of Krishna Devaraya and the ruler of the last Dynasity of Viajayanagar was a Tealaga. This family was a Eastern Chalukyan Fuedataory called the Arayeti Family which became Araveeti in due cource of time.

With Vijayanagara coming into power the Telagas served under the new rulers and were Dispatched off to Protect the farflung regions of the empire to Tamil Nadu and were posted as Nayaks and took up Administration as Nayaks/Nayakers. The most famous Telaga General was Viswanatha Nayaka who started the Madurai Nayak Dynasit. -- Source Penugonda Charitra..

After the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire in the Battle of Talikota large sections of Telagas migrated towards the North and settled down in their Native Country the Godavari deltas and took to agriculture.And some of them went further South and settled down in the Tanjavur region and joined the Tanjavur Nayaks Army.

Telagas are known for their bravery and fearlessness aptly put by a famous Telrugu Saying describing the community "Teginche vade Telaga" which means "One who dares is a Telaga".Even now we can find swords,armours and weapons with some of the Telaga families in Rajamundry.All of these people are Vaishnavas and have Sri Venugopala Swami has their family deity.

Another Legendary Instance of Telaga Bravery was exhibited during the Bobbili War fought between the Velama Kingdom and the Vizianagaram kingdom led by Vijayaram raju. When all seemed lost for the Bobbilli Ranga Rayudu the Bobbili King before riding out to war in no mood to submit the honour and the Dignity of the Royal House Ordered all of his commanders to Execute their Families before riding out to meet their fate. Accordingly the Telaga and Velama Commanders and Soldiers Executed their families before proceeding out to war. Viajayaramaraju was laid to rest by a valiant Telaga Commander Miriyala Venkata Rao along with Papa Rayudu. -- Bobbili Charitra

Legend Pulakesin II’s brother, Kubja Vishnu Vardhana, founded the Eastern Chalukya Empire after he was appointed Viceroy of Vengi and gave many of his trusted generals fiefdoms to rule over as his vassals and took up reign as Telaga Nayakulu (Governors). Most of the Telagas are fuedal landlords concentrated mainly in the coastal areas of Andhra.

Telaga Names The Telagas are also called Naidu and they also have prefixes like Setty and Reddy in their names denoting their Profession

Popular Surnames

Some of the surnames are derived from the Weapons used by this warrior community Sunkara, Tupakula, Kathula

And Other Surnames are Village names and Names which came out of their Professions having suffixes like Setty and Reddy KATIKIREDDY, Putta, puppala, gundubilli, Nagam, Reddipalli, pupala, vempala, basava, battula, tellakula, masupu Yerramsetti, Ayitham, Chikkam, Chinimilli, Palacholla, Nimmakayala, Bonam, Dasari, Dodda, Doddi, Vuragayala, Chilakalapalli, Davala, Konidela, Nalanagula, Allu, Kota, Kaikala, Kambala, vejju, Adabala, Pappula, Vangaveeti, Addagarla, Sunkara, Cheruku, Kondra, Kolla, Gandham, Chodisetty, Polisetty, Pilla, Turumulla, Tirumalasetti, Majji, Mande, Mucherla, Namburu, Neelam, Padala, Kommana, Yerrabolu, Alla, Bontha, Batreddi, Konidena, Dwaram, Theegala, Thota,Tuta, Mallepudi, Koppana,Koppusetty, Ramisetty, Rangisetty, Nagisetty, Kamisetty, elisetti, mokka, Koppireddy, Kunche, Grandhi, Savaram, Surabattula, Siddireddi, Oosuri, Yadla, Vaddi, Ambati, Yenugula, muppidi, Yalavarthi, Tanneru, Gatti, Badiga, Akula, uppu, nallam, chintalapudi, villa, maddimsetty, tadi, rednam, ganji, bhimala, kotipalli, mutyala, katnam, akkireddy, vungarala, pinaka, Pinisetty, kethinidi, kasireddy, nukala, arigela, yedida, akasam, saladi, ghanta, davuluri, desamsetty, chilaka, vallamsetty, Ravada, Rudra, Singamsetty, Sanam, Nandam, Kantamsetty, Yepuri, Allu, Gurram, Yedida, yarra, sirigineedi, kunapareddi, nagireddi, mutyala, jagata, guruju, tikkisetti, adapa, addala and arava. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:48:C500:F392:C4E4:F227:98A1:9446 (talk) 01:20, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Koli Patel is a subcaste of Patidar
Patidar's history is an interesting socio-economic narration of two castes from the medieval times, namely, peasant caste Kanbi and warrior Koli. Before the British land reforms were introduced in central Gujarat and Saurashtra, Kanbis and Kolis enjoyed equal socio-economic status. The British Raj land reforms came in two forms in Gujarat. Under one category a village was considered as land revenue unit and the ownership of land was given to the entire community. The Kanbis adopted this practice. The Koli villages adopted the other form where a landlord treated as a unit for land revenue cultivation. A number of ryots (cultivators) worked under him. The landlord was responsible for payment of tax. Over the time, the Kanbi villages proved better both in payment of land revenue and creation of wealth on the account of more produce from the land. Kolis found it difficult to till all the cultivable lands under one landlord. The Kanbi group had moved from upper Shudra class to Vaishya also Kolis upgraded from their previous position. The caste census of 1931 recognised Kanbis as Patidars for the first time as a distinct caste. Koli Patels are another sub-caste of Patidars in Gujarat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.19.28.98 (talk) 01:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Patels into Patel
Both articles talk about the same subject. A merge is necessary to avoid near duplicate articles. Jalen Folf  (talk)  15:18, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Polyamorph (talk) 19:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merged as unopposed. Jalen Folf   (talk)  17:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2024
People belonging to Munnuru Kapu Caste in Telangana is primarily Agrarian community and own lands. They are often referred as Patel's in Telangana region. Shashanksalla07 (talk) 08:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hey Greedy whats up? Its Cory pratt. Remember me back on the Plus-44 discussion article and you fixed my link to a leaked song of Plus-44?. I need you to do that one more time on the article, I put it on and doesn't work, and you are the only person I can ask for assistance. Thanks. -Cory pratt 7:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for the link google didnt have ne thing on it.--Jordans 03:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

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Ok thancks for telling me about the change of singles. Is there any way fo finding out an estimated release date or and other infomation such as the other tracks? thanx again hope to hear from u soon Jordans 06:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

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