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USS Remey

USS Remey (DD-688) was a Fletcher-class destroyer of the United States Navy, named for Rear Admiral George C. Remey (1841–1928).

Remey was laid down on 22 March 1943 by the Bath Iron Works Corp., Bath, Maine; launched on 25 July 1943; sponsored by Miss Angelica G. Remey, daughter of Rear Admiral Remey; and commissioned on 30 September 1943.

World War II
Remey departed Boston 5 December 1943 as flagship of Destroyer Squadron 54 (DesRon 54), and headed for the Pacific. Escorting heavier ships en route, she transited the Panama Canal at mid-month and arrived at San Diego, California to report for duty in the 5th Amphibious Force on the 20th.

Marshall Islands
Training with the 4th Marine Division followed, and on 13 January 1944, she sailed west, screening Task Force 53 (TF 53), the Northern Attack Force for the invasion of the Marshalls. From 29 January, when Wotje was bombarded, until 5 February, when Remey struck an uncharted reef, she screened the transports and Carrier Division 22 (CarDiv 22) and provided gunfire support for the troops fighting for Kwajalein. On the 6th, she got underway for Majuro, thence proceeded to Pearl Harbor for repairs.

Mariana Islands
Following repairs, Remey completed an escort run for the USS Intrepid (CV-11) to San Francisco and back, then screened USS Bataan (CVL-29) to Majuro. There, from 9 to 29 April 1944, she escorted submarines in and out of the area. Returning to Pearl Harbor on 4 May, she escorted aircraft carriers on exercises in Hawaiian waters and on the 31st got underway for the Mariana Islands. Stopping en route at Kwajalein, she arrived off Saipan on 14 June and with Fire Support Unit I commenced firing on the island. Closing to 4000 yd, Remey was straddled by shore battery fire, but her return fire destroyed two of the offending batteries. The next morning, while screening USS Tennessee (BB-43) off Tinian, she destroyed three more guns. In the afternoon, she shelled Saipan and throughout that day and the next continued counterbattery fire. On 17 June, she provided gunfire support for the troops on Saipan, then on 18 June returned to the battleships and remained with them through the aerial attacks of the Battle of the Philippine Sea. On 22 June, she resumed shore bombardment duties and shelled enemy troop concentrations and supply dumps. Through June–July, she remained in the area, continuing her support for operations on Saipan and extending it to ground forces fighting on Tinian after 24 July.

On 8 August, the destroyer got underway for the Marshall Islands, thence steamed to the Solomon Islands where TF 32 rehearsed for the assault on the Palau Islands. A month later, she sailed for those islands. Arriving on the 15 August, she bombarded Babelthuap, then on the 16–17 August showered her shells on Angaur. On the 23 August, she sailed south and on the 27 August anchored in Seeadler Harbor to prepare for the invasion of the Philippines.

Philippines
Departing for Leyte on 11 October 1944, Remey passed the northern tip of Dinagat Island on the night of 19/20 October. In the morning, she screened her charges, landing craft, to the assault area, then took up station in lower Surigao Strait. Through the 24th, she continued her anti-small boat and antiaircraft patrols, then prepared to meet an enemy surface force reported standing toward the southern entrance to Surigao Strait.

Rear Admiral Jesse B. Oldendorf deployed his force of cruisers, battleships, and destroyers for what was to be the last engagement of a battleline. Captain Jesse B. Coward, Commander, DesRon 54, divided his squadron into eastern and western groups to launch torpedo attacks against the Japanese as they steamed through the Strait toward defeat under the guns of the battleline.

Reports from the PT boats shadowing the Japanese were slow in coming, but at 0211 on 25 October, Remey, leading the eastern attack unit, moved south. USS McGowan (DD-678) and USS Melvin (DD-680) followed in attack disposition. At about 0235, radar contact was established. The attackers, despite navigational difficulties, began to close on their targets. Just before 0300, Remey was illuminated briefly by an enemy searchlight. At 0300, the three destroyers of the eastern group fired their torpedoes, launching 27 "fish" in less than 2 minutes. Powder flashes on two of her torpedoes showed Remey's position and again she was spotlighted. Straddled by 6 inch shells, she commenced making more smoke and weaving through it to make her way back up the Dinagat coast to the post-attack rendezvous point off Hibuson Island, whence the force witnessed the battleline's barrage.

The next day Remey retired from Leyte Gulf. On the 30th, she anchored in Humboldt Bay. During November, she escorted reinforcements to Leyte, and in December joined CarDiv 22 for operations in the Sulu Sea in support of the landings on Mindoro. Back in the New Guinea-Admiralty Islands area at the end of the month, she departed Manus Island on 2 January 1945, and on the 11th arrived off Luzon with reinforcements for the assault forces landed on the Lingayen beaches 2 days earlier. She departed on the 15th, and 8 days later arrived at Ulithi where she joined the Fast Carrier Task Force (then 5th Fleet's TF 58, later 3rd Fleet's TF 38).

Bombardment of Japan
On 10 February 1945, she sortied with Task Group 58.5 (TG 58.5) and, steaming north, screened that group as its planes flew night fighter cover for the task force and conducted night harassment strikes against the enemy in the Tokyo area and then over Iwo Jima. Remey supported operations in the Volcano and Bonin Islands until 9 March, then got underway for Ulithi and a 2-day rest. On the 14th, she screened the sortie of TG 58.4, then sailed with that group as it struck enemy installations, shipping and troop concentrations on and around Kyūshū and the Ryūkyū Islands. On 1 April, the group covered the assault on Okinawa's Hagushi beaches, then remained in the area until 11 May as ground forces pushed across Japan's last bastion protecting her home islands. Replenished at Ulithi, the ships, now designated TG 38.4, were back off Okinawa before the end of the month. On 8 June, Remey joined TG 30.4 for the bombardment of Okino Daito, returned to TG 38.4 the next day, retiring to Leyte on the 11th.

By 1 July, the carriers were again ready to strike at the Japanese home islands. On the 10th sorties were flown against Tokyo and, on the 13th-14th, against northern Honshū and Hokkaidō. On the night of 14/15 July, Remey participated in the bombardment of Muroran. On the 16th, she screened the carriers as further strikes were launched against Honshū, then returned to the bombardment group as it shelled Hitachi. On the 18th, she rejoined TG 38.4, then shifted to TG 38.3 for screening duties as planes were sent against Shikoku and Kyūshū, concentrating on Kobe, 20th-22nd. Further strikes against the southern islands followed, but by 30 July, the Tokyo and Nagoya areas were again the targets. Weather conditions, including a typhoon, delayed further offensive action until 9 August, when Honshū was again hit.

Detached the following day, Remey, with others of her squadron, proceeded to the Kuril Islands where she joined TF 92 in an anti-shipping sweep in the Sea of Okhotsk on the 11th, then headed for Adak Island en route to a shipyard overhaul on the west coast. At Adak on the 14th, she received word of the Japanese surrender and orders to rejoin TF 92 for occupation duty in the Ominato area. Departing the Aleutian Islands at the end of August, she remained in Japanese waters until 15 September when she got underway for San Francisco.

Arriving on 1 October 1945, she shifted to San Diego in December. In commission, in reserve from January, Remey decommissioned on 10 December 1946 and was berthed at San Diego until ordered activated with the outbreak of hostilities in Korea.

Post-War
Recommissioned on 14 November 1951, Remey departed the west coast on 15 February 1952 and on the 28th reported for duty with the Atlantic Fleet. Homeported at Newport, she added strength to the 2nd Fleet as it sent destroyers to the Far East to support U.N. Forces in Korea. For the next year and a half, Remey operated in the western Atlantic and in the Caribbean. Then, in the fall (September–December) of 1953, deployed briefly to European waters for joint operations with the Royal Navy followed by 6th Fleet exercises in the Mediterranean. Six months after her return to Newport, she sailed for the western Pacific and summer operations with the 7th Fleet. Between June and September, she ranged from Korea and Japan to the Philippines and departed the latter for Suez 24 September, completing her round-the-world cruise on 28 November.

Remey remained in the western Atlantic through 1955 and, in the spring of 1956, as tension in the eastern Mediterranean from Cyprus to Suez, again heightened, rejoined the 6th Fleet. From 31 March to 12 May, as British troops prepared to withdraw from Suez, she cruised the Red Sea-Persian Gulf areas. Then, at the end of the month, the destroyer returned to Newport for 5 months of type training and ASW evaluation exercises. In July, Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal. By the end of the month, financial retaliations had been imposed by western Europe. Despite various peace plans proposed in August and September, war broke out in late October. To the north, civil unrest continued in Cyprus, flared in Poland, and flamed through Hungary. On 6 November, Remey steamed back to the Mediterranean to assume patrol duties which continued until after Israeli forces withdrew from the Sinai Peninsula in late January 1957.

Through the spring of 1958, Remey remained on the east coast. During the summer, she conducted exercises in the North Atlantic and the North Sea. Returning in August, she participated in further ASW evaluation tests, then, in October, assumed duties as schoolship for the Destroyer Force's Afloat Engineering School.

Detached at the end of the year, Remey shifted her homeport to New York City and commenced duty as flagship of Reserve Escort Squadron 2 (later, Reserve Destroyer Squadron 2). A unit of the Selected Reserve antisubmarine program, her crew was recalled to active duty and she rejoined the active fleet, assigned to Destroyer Division 201, after the closing of the East and West Berlin border in mid-August 1961. During December of that year and January 1962, she cruised in the North Sea, returning to Newport in February and resuming reserve training duties at New York in August. In September 1963, she steamed to Philadelphia where the ship was decommissioned on 30 December 1963, and was berthed as a unit of the Atlantic Reserve Fleet.

Remey was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register on 1 December 1974. She was sold on 10 June 1976 and broken up for scrap.

Awards
Remey earned 10 battle stars during World War II.

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Talk:Romeo (disambiguation)

Primary usage
In cases like this, where there is one clear meaning that 99% of Wikipedia readers are looking for, a Romeo (disambiguation) page should carry this present information, while Romeo should redirect to Romeo and Juliet. Just my opinion. --Wetman 07:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, so I've moved it. sjorford →•← 11:13, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Player
"... a term for a man who goes after a great deal of women"

Is this correct? I never seen the play but as far as I understand, Romeo loves only Juliet - so dearly in fact that he dies for her. I think you might be mistaking Romeo with Casanova? --213.237.94.61 03:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

in the beginning he's pining after some other chick.

It is correct as is casanova. 172.143.135.185 (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Whilst the character from whom this usage derives its colloquial meaning was not a womaniser, that is its current definition. Information yes (talk) 01:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Clear consensus for move. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Romeo → Romeo (disambiguation) — Shakespeare's character is surely the primary meaning, whatever title we might give his article. PatGallacher (talk) 23:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Seems logical.  Powers T 01:11, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * oppose the trope "Romeo" is the primary and common meaning; some sort of boyfriend. An article should be created for this class of character/personality, in lieu of such an article already existing, the disambiguation page should remain until such time it is created. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 03:17, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems a bit odd to claim that the primary meaning is a hypothetical article which nobody has created yet. PatGallacher (talk) 09:57, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Oppose. It is merely an unsubstantiated assumption that Shakespeare's character is the main meaning. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 20:30, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. P199 rightly asks for evidence that the Shakespeare character is in fact the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Romeo". Here's what I found. A Google Books search for "Romeo" gives 1,160,000 results. A search for "Romeo" -juliet -shakespeare -montague -capulet gives 522,000 results. Subtract the one from the other, and you get 638,000 results that presumably refer to Shakespeare's Romeo. Since well more than half of the references are for that Romeo, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would indicate that this Romeo is the primary topic. Dohn joe (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * WP's reliance on Google stats to determine notability is misleading. Wikipedia article traffic statistics is a better indication. For instance, Romeo_Miller was viewed 259430 times in March 2011. That is slightly less than Romeo_and_Juliet (266873 times), but many times more than Romeo_Montague (only 17765 times). Some of the other "Romeo" articles are attracting many tens of thousands of views as well. Why redirect Romeo to Romeo Montague, forcing hundreds of thousands of readers to go back to the disambig page? -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 03:59, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're making the assumption that people get to those other "Romeo" pages by searching for "Romeo". Powers T 15:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Seemed logical to begin with and Dohn joe's evidence merely reinforces the point. Jenks24 (talk) 02:41, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. The “trope” Romeo is at best a dictionary definition, and at worst a jargon entry (prove me wrong by writing a decent, sourced, article on it). Thus Romeo is clearly the primary usage. --Xover (talk) 15:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. The Shakespeare character is clearly the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, primary topic for an encyclopedia, dictionary definitions take lower priority.--Kotniski (talk) 12:01, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Project disagreement
As far as the anthroponymy project is concerned, I've never see it used on any similar disambiguation page (i.e. with links to surname and given name lists), and I've worked on hundreds of them.

Regarding Shakespeare, you, User:Xover, seem to be the only one who seems to think it appropriate in these situations. You've added the same project to other dab pages (Juliet (disambiguation), Shakespeare (disambiguation)), but no one has followed your example as far as I can see. See Hamlet (disambiguation), Othello (disambiguation), Iago (disambiguation), Shylock (disambiguation), The Merchant of Venice (disambiguation), etc.

I also don't know that Juliet is the primary topic, but that's another can of worms. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:01, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * On the anthroponymy project banner I have no strong opinions, so you would need to check with that project on whether they consider dabs in scope. For WP:BARD, I'm pretty much the only one active in tagging and rating for the project, so it's no great surprise that the dabs within the project scope were tagged by me (you'll find the same to be the case for most of the regular articles as well). And what is within the scope for a given project is up to that project: unlike things like WP:MOS, WP:MEDRS, or WP:N, there are no global concerns or policies that take priority of the project's local consensus. Case in point, WP:WikiProject Disambiguation and WP:WikiProject Redirect are just WikiProjects like any other, but have defined their scope to include dabs and redirects. WP:BARD also tags categories and files that are of relevance to Wikipedia's coverage of Shakespeare, and the Wikiproject banner system explicitly supports class values for all these types of pages. --Xover (talk) 10:06, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Wherefore are thou Romeo's project? None of the entries (not sure about the songs) seems to have a direct connection to Shakespeare or the character. Stratford-upon-Avon should, but doesn't. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, that was more obvious when the tag was first placed: at the time the dab was at "Romeo" and the article at "Romeo Montague" (iirc). WP:BARD cares not so much about the content (as you say, most isn't currently related) of the dab as about the name of the (dab) article. Let's say, for example, that someone starts a move discussion on the dab (wanting to swap dab and character article): that's something the project will want to know about, and, conversely, that's something the project can help out with if Shakespeare expertise is needed. With the Wikiproject banner on there it's clear for other editors in either of those situations. --Xover (talk) 08:23, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

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Welcome/welkom
Welcome!

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Hallo Sietse, welkom op Wikipedia. Ik werk zelf het meeste aan de Nederlandstalige wikipedia. Ik wens je veel plezier hier. Ellywa 21:00, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Personality disorder
Nice edits on this subject! I know you are a psychologist but I feel I have to point out that the DSM-IV is published by the American Psychiatric Association. As a psychiatrist who has enjoyed working with many psychologists over the years, welcome to the multidisciplinary team! --CloudSurfer 03:56, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your help with the personality disorder article! Samvak

Narcissism vs Narcissistic PD
At present there is only one article on this subject. Ideally the subject of narcissism should be a separate article dealing with Freud and others on this subject looking at the theories of primary and secondary narcissism etc. Then there should be a DSM type article on Narcissistic PD. I wonder if you are interested in doing this? --CloudSurfer 17:38, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I think I read you were studying psychology and I thought you might use the restructure as a time to read about this subject. There is already a fair bit in the article on the subject of narcissism but once the two are split I hope that will provide an impetus for some neo-Freudian (and that's really not me) to write more. By the way, you are doing great work! --CloudSurfer 17:51, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi, CloudSurder and Sietse Snel - great work, I agree. The separation of narcissism from NPD was long overdue. I wrote the entry for the Narcissistic Personality Disorder, BTW. I granted Wikipedia a GNU license to use portions of my textbook about narcissism "Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited". In the article, I added an external link to the relevant Web page, where you can view the original text (titled: NPD at a Glance). Would be happy to send you both electronic copies of my book, if you are interested. Anything else I can do to help?Samvak

 * Samvak and Sietse, I have replied to this on Samvak's talk page. --CloudSurfer 06:31, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Guys, lets's continue this conversation on my talk page - many thanks. Samvak

Foto Oude Gracht
Verwisselen van de foto's is geen probleem! Elke verbetering is uiteraard prima. Fruggo 13:59, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)Hi, test

DSM cautionary statement
Valuable improvements. The original was modified from the one at the front of the DSM-IV. I have added a little to what you have said and changed your footnote into a reference for style consistency. I have been looking at adding this to each and every DSM diagnosis on Wikipedia! I guess I'll get around to it eventually. --CloudSurfer 18:30, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Categories
I noticed you changed the category for compulsive hoarding. I have gone back and added the anxiety disorder I had added a few days ago. Just recently I have created an entire heirachy of categories under Category:Disorder. You might like to go there and add Category:Abnormal psychology to each of the sub-categories under disorder. That way you will follow down the DSM tree, if that is suitable. Psychology                 Psychiatry Abnormal psychology      Disorder All the others That would then give both psychologists and psychiatrists and entry point from their own categories. Alternatively, you might want to do the simplest change and that would be to add Abnormal psychology as a category, and thus a parent category to Disorder. That would then mean the tree would be: Psychology                 Psychiatry Abnormal psychology Disorder All the others Anyway, lets work towards the same purpose if possible. If you really want to organise your categories differently then there is no reason why you can't. But please add yours rather than changing ours. If I have changed yours then I am truly sorry. I made about 50 changes or additions that day and I didn't at that time understand the psychology tree. --CloudSurfer 12:25, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I know that compulsive hoarding doesn't fit easily into a category, however, once you embrace the DSM you have to put it somewhere. Now, another alternative would be to have a category for "Not otherwise classified" which would have a DSM type logic. That proposed category would be under the "Disorder" category. For the time being I lumped it with its closest relative. --CloudSurfer 22:24, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

P.S. as you would understand, unless it is in a category under "Disorder" it can't be immediately accessed from the "Psychiatry" category. --CloudSurfer 22:33, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Symptoms and signs
Dear Sietse, I have copied part of your recent question on this subject to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychopathology. Please go there to see my reply. If we keep psychopathology discussions here then the entire project is aware of them and can contribute. Mind you, its a bit of a slow group to respond at times. --CloudSurfer 22:36, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I reverted your user page
I reverted some anon edits on your user pageGeni 10:11, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Indigo children
Dear Sietse, I thought it sounded like nonsense too so I did a search for "Indigo children" in Google. I was surprised when I got 22,600 hits. Including this homepage. Further down on the page is a description of "Indigo children". Sounds like it could go back into the article on Insanity as an example of differing views but with a qualification. It sounds like it deserves an article of its own looking critically at the concept. As Hamlet says, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,/ than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Speaking of which, I hope you caught up with my edits to Homosexual panic. I have tried to be NPOV on it but I must say my references and coverage of it mainly suggest that it should not be used as a defence for gay bashing. Let's wait for someone to come along and challenge this. --CloudSurfer 05:53, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Dear Sietse, not at all aggressive, I see it as more the impetuosity of youth which so reminds me of myself at your age. I am thoroughly enjoying collaborating with you and the others on the project.  If it were not for this rather public forum I would share more of where I am coming from, preferably over a coffee and a chat.  I had a great amount of fun in expanding the Homosexual panic article that your comments had prompted.  It is now a bit silly in that it is more authoritative than many other articles on much more important subjects.  The issue with the Indigo children is that some reader thought it was worth putting in.  I think THAT should be respected providing that it is relevant to the article.  I am very much aware of the NPOV issues after having worked on Involuntary commitment and other pages.  What I now believe is that we need to encourage disparate views when they are tentatively added to articles, often by new editors.  They may need some word-smithing to put them into context and render them NPOV, but rather than deleting them, we should embrace them as a contrary view.  The issue with insanity is that it has been seen over the centuries as a sign of divinity.  If you look at what the saints experienced then it is clear that many of them would today be treated as psychotic.  In their day their experiences were respected.  I think that is what the IC reader wanted to convey.  Your addition to insanity now reflects that.  Working as I do in a culture that still has many of the ideational trappings of its recent Neolithic past, I am constantly confronted by different ways of conceptualising mental illness.  I find this challenging and interesting. Even in my 50s I am "growing" from this. All the best. --CloudSurfer 20:06, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

notenglish
Please, when you add to a page, also make a note on Pages needing translation into English. It's rather tedious following up on this otherwise. But thanks for doing at least step one. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:10, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

Hi there
Just a note to say welcome to the Psychopathology Wikiproject and thanks for your contributions! - Vaughan 12:04, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Norodom Chakrapong
Hallo Sietse leuk dat je een van de artikelen die ik ooit geschreven heb hebt vertaald. De meeste artikelen in de Thailand regio op nl.wiki zijn van mijn hand. Het is 1 van de oudere artikelen die ik heb gemaakt bijna een jaar geleden. Misschien kan hij nog wel wat bijgeschaafd worden. Waerth 18:38, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Poutine
Poutine actually tastes very good, so one couldn't conclude that the vandalism was a personnal attack against Grunt's mum. J/k. --Valmi[[User_talk:Valmi| ✒]] 16:22, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Clay Beal
It is a truly wonderful thing to share the Legend of Beal with others. Clay Beal really does attend Texas A&M, and will walk on the team, and is 6-11. He has dubious ties to Pippen, and some people suggest that he is indeed his father. His mother is Merlene Beal. All of the "characters" actually exist, and have done all of the things that the article claims thay have. If Clay someday is in the NBA, wouldn't you like to already have a page about him, including a comprehensive history of his life?

You getting in my face?
Ok, I edit like any normal person and expect no fantasies in the articles-especially those about my royal family. This isn't the day for adding Slavic delusions of grandeur with the Danish Empire and England. They may have had greater relationship with Sweden, but not Denmark and certainly not England! It is you who has indiscriminately applied a percieved rule when none such applies. I merely corrected the disoriented versions. If I attempted to mediate with the Poles, they'd have none of it and still insert their POV as the favoured truth. Don't mess with me on this, I swear to fucking God I'll have your ass for dinner! 24.255.40.174 15:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, and I apologize for my comment. I'd like you to know that I understand your position. 24.255.40.174 16:33, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * For information: User:24.255.40.174 is an alias of the banned User:Kenneth Alan. - MPF 17:57, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for taking care of the vandalism on my user page back on 29 October. So fast I didn't even notice it until I happened to look at the history today. :) Jamesday 07:24, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

viri
Thanks for the message. I responded via email, via wiki. Jjk 22:56, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi
Please don't systematically change "External links" -> "External link". — Matt 16:15, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Hi Matt. I was fixing other things about the 'external links' sections (see Neilc's project) and was fixing this as well when I encountered it. As far as I know, making headings of list sections compatible with the number of entries is recommended practice by academic style guides (e.g. the APA style manual says to make a 'reference' section if there's just one reference). Why do you want me to stop doing that? Sietse 16:47, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I was a little terse above, and thanks for helping out with the external link maintenance! But to the question: "References" is also a valid style, and many Wikipedians prefer it (including, for example, Neilc who you mention above) — there's a pramatic argument too, and "External links" is the heading specified in the Manual of Style. I know people disagree on this, but before starting a systematic project to change large swathes of pages to one or the other, it's probably best to get a consensus first. — Matt 16:58, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

My adminship request
Thanks for your support and your kind words! --jpgordon{gab} 06:15, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Me too! --Woggly 21:18, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unification of the different Wiki fixup projects?
Greetings TB, Neilc, Sietse Snel, and Erik Zachte! I'm posing this message on each of your four talk pages, asking you if you're interested in unifying the different Wiki fixup projects (User:Topbanana/Reports + User:Neilc/External links + User:Sietse_Snel/Fix_common_mistakes + Wiki Syntax Project + Erik's list of HTML problems that he emailed me a subset of).

Currently, we all have different pages at different locations listing different types of problems. What I'm wondering is whether we and the Wikipedia would all be slightly better off if we had one location that contained all of the outstanding problems from all of these different projects. It would be the ultimate clearing-house for problem-finders like us to list problems, and for contributors to go find list of things that need fixing, and fix those problems.

Consider the benefits:
 * One page address for all problems is easier to remember, and we'd set up a super-short shortcut (e.g. "WP:WF") that was very easy to remember.
 * It's easier to avoid duplication by seeing what other people are already doing - for example, I've started searching for redirect problems, only to find the Topbanana was already doing something similar. I didn't mean to do this, but I simply didn't know it had already been done.
 * It evens out the workload - currently one person's problems all get finished, and another person somewhere else has a new batch that's suddenly done and ready for fixing - and it's hard for the contributors to know where to go to find outstanding problems.
 * If we have one page with everything on it, we could list it as a place for newbies to start out doing productive stuff when they're new to the Wikipedia - and by seeing and fixing the types of problems that came up, they'd be that much less likely to make those mistakes themselves.
 * There's a momentum that builds up from having a continuous supply of problems, rather than having a stop-start supply. If problems stop coming, contributors stop checking - they like to see new problems, and feel a part of community project that's getting somewhere and doing something useful.
 * With one central repository, if you go on holidays or disappear for a few weeks or contribute new problems very infrequently, it doesn't matter - someone else will still be doing something useful while you're off doing other stuff.
 * New developers could easily add problems they found to the page, and indeed would be actively encouraged to do so. Rather than a series of independent and competing efforts, it would be one combined effort, with people actively encouraged to expand the scope with new systematic searches for problems (such as Erik, who out-of-blue sent me a list of HTML problems a conversion script of his had found - this is the exactly the type of thing we need to actively encourage, because the whole Wikipedia is that much better off for it).
 * It would make it easy for the contributors to know what's out there - There may be other fixup projects already running that I don't know about, and it would be really good to include them - I haven't omitted anybody deliberately, so if there are omissions, it just proves my point that currently it's hard to know what's out there.
 * As the number of articles in the Wikipedia grows, the need for some systematic central repository of problems grows - and the pace of growth shows no signs at all of slowing.

What do you think? Are you interested? I'm completely open to your suggestions - and to get us started, can I just throw some ideas out there:
 * It would be good to have a WikiProject location (and it does NOT have to be "Wiki Syntax" - it could be "The SuperList of things that need fixing", or "Wiki Fixup", or any other name you like).
 * All problem-finders would be listed in a special credits section (and for the record I'm more happy to be the last name on the list :-) ) - so that everyone still gets recognition and credit.
 * It would be good to have the current list of locations redirect to the new central location, wherever it is, so that any pre-existing links still work.
 * Some basic criteria for the scope of the new project would be good (something like: Covers the whole English Wikipedia; Has lists of problems; The list of problems should be generated by some type of automated process - e.g. software or database query - which ensures that it's systematic and repeatable; The problems listed should be simple to fix, so that the barrier to entry for contributors is low; And it would be good if when contributors fixed problems if we could ask them to put a link in their edit description that pointed back to the central location).

Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe it's a bad idea. I'd really like to think it could work. Maybe it's a good idea. You tell me.

P.s. To save lots of different messages on different pages, can we please have one location where everybody can speak their mind? How about Topbanana's talk page ?

All the best, -- Nickj 07:11, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Might I suggest, being the nosey sod that I am, the project talk page for maximal coverage? --Phil | Talk 09:31, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Re: Your work
''Hi Sam, I have noticed your name on Wikipedia because of your impressive amount of contributions with fixing spelling, grammar, and similar errors. I have recently started a project which also aims to improve this aspect of Wikipedia: User:Sietse_Snel/Fix_common_mistakes. I thought you might be interested in joining, or maybe you have ideas about ways to improve this project. If you don't feel like joining, maybe we could coordinate our activities a bit so that we are not both trying to fix the same things at the same time. Compliments for your work and best regards, Sietse 14:32, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)''
 * Hi Sietse, and thanks for pointing me to that page. I was currently fixing duplicates such as and/and and the/the, so I will subscribe and update the page. I'm glad to see I'm not alone! --Sam Hocevar 15:18, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Excellent minor edits.
You and the rest of your team have been making excellent and much needed minor edits. In recognition of your dedication, I offer you my sincere gratitude, and this Minor Barnstar. -- User:ClockworkSoul 07:08, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

fix common mistakes
Hey, thanks for setting up the double-by and other error lists. I've just spent a happy half-hour fixing a couple dozen of them, and in the process read articles I never would have seen, and made a few other fixes, too. Beats the heck out of work! - DavidWBrooks 15:47, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you. I'd like to point out that a large part of these lists, including the 'by by' list, has been made by Sam Hocevar. So the credits go to him :) Sietse 16:20, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Actually, I take my comments back. After doing more than 150 of these things all afternoon, despite valiant efforts to turn away, I curse you all as creators of time-sucking wiki-addiction lists! Boy, I hope my boss never finds out. - DavidWBrooks 20:45, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Just enjoy them while they're still free. We may change our mind and switch to a pay-per-view scheme ;-] Good work, by the way! Sietse 22:24, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)  15:34, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

new miscapitalisation list?
Hi, is it possible to put a new list of possible miscapitalisations on the page? It looks like more and more people want to do fixes! Also, you may be interested in the Wikispeling project: it is a lot less ambitious (for the moment), but I find it fun and instructive to fix articles in other languages. Regards, Sam Hocevar 00:33, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Alas, I can't add new entries for the moment. The problem is that my harddisk is full. I don't have enough space to download and extract the database dump of the English wikipedia. I plan to buy a larger harddisk this month, reinstall all the software I use from scratch, and then continue with the project. I think I can put the next entries online in a few weeks.

 * Thanks for the pointer to the Wikispeling project. It looks fun to me too. I'll certainly contribute (if only a bit). Best regards, Sietse 10:18, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Okay, thanks for the update. I still have a database dump, so I will try to add more to the list. Maybe new double words, I don't know yet. Sam Hocevar 12:02, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RFA thanks
Salve, Sietse Snel! I wanted to drop you a line to thank you for your support in my successful RFA candidacy. It was very gratifying to see the kind remarks posted in the debate. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 17:45, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Karl Brandt

A little help please
Anyone know if he was related to Rudolf Brandt, who was also sentenced to death?
 * says they weren't. They were born in different towns, also.  Morwen - Talk 13:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Karl Brandt Developed The Procedure of Lethal Injection As A Means Of Killing People
Might not be a very popular FACT that a Nazi developed the most common means of Capital Punishment used in the United States today, but a little research would prove to you that it is indeed a NPOV FACT. Just because he was a Nazi does not change the fact that he developed and was the 1st to use it as a means of killing people. Just because it is unpopular and/or you were not aware of this fact does not mean it should not be included. Please do your homework next time before assuming it is a hoax or before changing this article. Thanks.

 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.65 (talk • contribs) 07:49, April 24, 2006 (UTC)

 * A "little research" reveals that basically all statements on the Internet that Karl Brandt invented this procedure go back to one Richard Halperin, Southern Methodist University and anti-death penalty activist. What is clear and undeniable is that Brandt (one of the heads of the T4 euthanasia programme of the Nazis) did use lethal injections on a large scale. But where's the proof that he invented them? Our own article on lethal injection says: "The concept had been proposed in 1888 by J. Mount Bleyer in New York, but was not approved." (Unfortunately without a direct source, but see for instance .) That predates Brandt by some 50 years... Furthermore, I think that you'll have to separate clearly three different fields of application: euthanasia (in the sense of an aided voluntary suicide, e.g. for terminally ill persons), death penalty, and mass murder like the Nazi programmes. In short, claiming that the Nazi doctor Brandt invented the procedure and linking that directly to the U.S. death penalty is a biased oversimplification. Provide better sources! Lupo 08:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I think a reference needs to be sited from a non anti-death penalty site that states that karl brant invented lethal injection before this is allowed to stay. ER MD 21:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * In the spring of 2001 I was naïve enough to state on Wikipedia that Guglielmo Marconi was the "inventor" of radio. I thought this was the truth, but it turns out many people invented parts of what became useful wireless communication. After some discussion, the Marconi article boiled down to say he is often credited as the "father of radio." This phrase was there in the oldest archived version from July 4, 2001, and is still there today. For many things it just isn't meaningful to talk of one "inventor". The NPOV thing is probably to avoid that, and instead talk of something that that everybody can agree on, for example the date and number of an issued patent or how wide the method was deployed by him. I know nothing about Karl Brandt or about the death penalty. I just stumbled upon this discussion page in the Recent Changes when ER MD wrote the above comment. --LA2 22:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Guys, you realize that the paragraph ER MD removed actually debunks the claim that Brandt had invented lethal injections, using as source an anti-death penalty website? Neither the paragraph nor the source defend that bogus claim. I don't care whether it's in the article or not, as it is really a tangential issue, but I thought I'd just point that out. Lupo 06:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Lupo: its written in weasel words to couple lethal injection and the holocaust which is obviously the aim of anti-death penalty activists. I'll correct my statement: Placing the assertion that he is the father of lethal injection is misleading and it would never pass standards for an encylcopedia. I've had to remove the line "karl brant invented lethal injection from the lethal injection article multiple times. According to this webpage Bill weisman is the "father of lethal injection." I know it would be nice to couple those things together to try and prove a political point. Also, read my statement again--site a NON anti-death penalty site. ER MD 05:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Arrest by the Gestapo in April 1945
Can't seem to find any description here of what it is that the Nazis accused Dr Brandt of doing. Was it simply a case of the Gestapo going crazy and rounding up all suspected non team players or something, given the declining fortunes of Germany at that time? knoodelhed 08:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

i was wondering the same. The german Wikipedia entry for Karl Brandt says the following: "In a conspiracy surrounding Hitler's personal physician Theo Morell, Brandt was at first fired from his position as Hitler's physican, then arrested on 16th April 1945, and personally sentenced to death by Hitler a few days later. Himmler delayed his execution, and Brandt was later released under orders from Albert Speer. Allied troops later arrested him along with the remains of Karl Dönitz's government in Flensburg." From here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Brandt

I found this:

Hitler ordered Karl Brandt to be summarily court-martialed because his Personal Physician and Reich Commissioner had allegedly allowed his wife and his child to be overtaken by American troops who were advancing to Thuringia. He was arrested for "defeatism and cowardice" and was sentenced to death on April 17, 1945. 165.189.169.190 (talk) 14:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Morrell and the Great Medical Row
Yes, this article lacks the key fact that while the official cause of Brandt's arrest was that he sent his family to a zone where they would be liberated by the Americans, the real cause was his quarrel with Morrell as described in Hugh Trevor-Roper's "Last Days of Hitler". Trevor-Roper is considered one of the foremost scholars on the subject of Nazi Germany and inclusion of this "great medical row" as he describes it would make this article more comprehensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.15.249 (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. Clear primary topic. I think Jenks24's search results can be better explained by the fact that Karl Brandt (economist), as an economist, simply wrote a lot of books. Moreover, it's never ideal to have a disambig page for only two options. -- Hadal (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Karl Brandt (physician) → Karl Brandt – I am asking for this to be made into the primary topic. Karl Brandt - the Nazi physician, mass murderer, and Hitler's personal physician - is far more notable than Karl Brandt (economist).Hoops gza (talk) 07:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe that would be okay; as for the latter guy (who's article is only a "stub", he should be left as: Karl Brandt (economist). Kierzek (talk) 13:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Hmmm, came here expecting to support, but I had a search of google books and the economist gets 16 of the first 20 hits (see search. On the other hand, the page view statistics show 3161 views this month for the physician, compared with only 73 for the economist. I'm still unsure about this, but hopefully the links given might help others decide. Jenks24 (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Primary topic resting primarily on public interest rather than notability. Marcus   Qwertyus   02:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

POV intro - compare to featured article Albert Speer
I understand Karl Brandt is only rated start-class, but the intro to the article needs radical revision reduce the disproportionate emphasis and sensationalism focusing exclusively on his war crimes. Introducing the subject, "Karl Brandt (January 8, 1904 – June 2, 1948) was a German Nazi war criminal," (instead of actually introducing him w/o incendiary POV pushing and noting, for example, that he was a head and spinal surgeon in pre-WW2 Germany who became Hitler's escort doctor and so a member of Hitler's inner circle) suggests SO much effort in such a short space goes into breathlessly reporting how bad he was (" criminal human experimentation," "convicted of crimes against humanity"; "hanged") that the reader could be forgiven for thinking that the subject was popped out of his mother's womb ready to abort other not-yet-born babies (aka fetuses).

Compare the poor quality of the intro to Brandt's article with that of the Featured Article on Albert Speer (also a 'nazi war criminal'): ''Berthold Konrad Hermann Albert Speer (March 19, 1905 – September 1, 1981) was a German architect who was, for a part of World War II, Minister of Armaments and War Production for the Third Reich. Speer was Adolf Hitler's chief architect before assuming ministerial office. As "the Nazi who said sorry",[a] he accepted moral responsibility at the Nuremberg trials and in his memoirs for complicity in crimes of the Nazi regime. His level of involvement in the persecution of the Jews and his level of knowledge of the Holocaust remain matters of dispute.

''Speer joined the Nazi Party in 1931, launching himself on a political and governmental career which lasted fourteen years. His architectural skills made him increasingly prominent within the Party and he became a member of Hitler's inner circle. Hitler instructed him to design and construct structures including the Reich Chancellery and the Zeppelinfeld stadium in Nuremberg where Party rallies were held. Speer also made plans to reconstruct Berlin on a grand scale, with huge buildings, wide boulevards, and a reorganized transportation system.''

''In February 1942, Hitler appointed Speer Minister of Armaments and War Production. Under his leadership, Germany's war production continued to increase despite considerable Allied bombing. After the war, he was tried at Nuremberg and sentenced to 20 years in prison for his role in the Nazi regime, principally for the use of forced labor. He served his full sentence, most of it at Spandau Prison in West Berlin.''

''Following his release from Spandau in 1966, Speer published two bestselling autobiographical works, Inside the Third Reich and Spandau: The Secret Diaries, detailing his often close personal relationship with Hitler, and providing readers and historians with a unique perspective on the workings of the Nazi regime. He later wrote a third book, Infiltration, about the SS. Speer died of natural causes in 1981 while on a visit to London.'' While Brandt's intro need not be so long, it does need to be radically revised to place his conviction and sentencing for war crimes into proper proportion to the sum total of his life, which cannot simply be distilled down into this as the one best lead sentence, "Karl Brandt (January 8, 1904 – June 2, 1948) was a German Nazi war criminal." Sheesh. joepa T 20:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. joepa T 22:36, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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Sources; conflicting data.
It seems that a few of the sources are actually post on public forums, that doesn't seem to be a very credible source. I've also noticed that probably the most a authoritive source for information on Brandt, "Doctors of Death" by Philippe Aziz is not referenced once. Perhaps this article needs some serious verification? Morton.Michael.NC (talk) 23:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The only sourcing I added is the WP:RS cites to Joachimsthaler and Hamilton. I agree it needs citing work and better cites than "Axis History Forum" should be used. I don't have time right now, but will try to look at it this weekend and see what else I have that can be used. Kierzek (talk) 13:48, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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Arthur Guinness

Arthur Guinness (c. 24 September 1725 – 23 January 1803) was an Irish brewer, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. The inventor of Guinness beer, he founded the Guinness Brewery at St. James's Gate in 1759.

Guinness was born in Ardclogh, near Celbridge, County Kildare, in 1725. His father was employed by Arthur Price, a bishop of the Church of Ireland. Guinness himself was later employed by Price, and upon his death in 1752, both he and his father were bequeathed funds from Price's will. Guinness then worked at his stepmother's public house before founding a brewery in Leixlip. In 1759, during a financial crisis that created an abundance of affordable property, Guinness moved to Dublin and purchased an abandoned brewery from the Rainsford family. It was originally an ale brewery, but Guinness began producing porter in 1778, and by 1799, production of ale ceased with the popularity of his darker beer.

Outside of his brewery, Guinness was socially and politically active. A devout Protestant, he founded the first Sunday school in Dublin in 1786 and frequently argued for his fellow gentry to set a strong moral example. He was largely supportive of Catholic rights in Ireland but opposed the Irish Rebellion of 1798. As a member of the Dublin Corporation of Brewers, Guinness was also instrumental in petitioning the Irish House of Commons to change the tax code surrounding the importation of beer. Guinness and his wife had ten children together, and upon Guinness's death in 1803, his son Arthur Guinness II inherited the brewery and all operations.

Early life
Many of the details of Arthur Guinness's life and heritage are unknown or disputed by historians, either because insufficient written information exists or due to the proliferation of rumours by his contemporaries. During his life, Guinness believed that he was descended from the Magennises of Iveagh. While the Viscount Magennis, a Gaelic Catholic noble and supporter of James II of England, had fled Ireland for France after the Battle of the Boyne, he left behind a portion of the clan who converted to Protestantism and changed their name to Gennis. DNA testing run by Trinity College Dublin, however, suggests that Guinness's ancestors were actually another County Down family, the McCartans, who lived in a village called Guiness outside Ballynahinch. Similarly, little is known about Guinness's father, but most historical records place his date of birth around 1690 in County Kildare. A popular rumour in Guinness's day was that his father Richard was the illegitimate son of a couple who had fled Ireland after the Battle of the Boyne, leaving their young child at an orphanage in Leixlip. By contrast, Guinness's mother, Elizabeth Read, is known to be the daughter of tenant farmers in Oughter Ard, also in County Kildare.

Richard Guinness and Elizabeth Read married in the early 1720s, possibly in the parish church at Oughter Ard. While rumours at the time suggested that the couple had eloped while Guinness was working for Read's parents as a groom, this is historically unlikely, as the vicar would likely have refused to marry a couple without obtaining the bride's parents' permission. By 1722, Richard Guinness was in the employ of Arthur Price, a vicar in Celbridge.

Arthur Guinness was the first of five children born to Richard and Elizabeth. Likely born on Price's Oakley Park estate, Arthur was named for the vicar, who also served as his godfather. Guinness's exact date of birth is disputed by historians: while many sources suggest that he was born on 24 September 1725, the Guinness Company formally declared in 1991 that their founder's date of birth was on 28 September. His gravestone, meanwhile, states that he was 78 years old upon his death in January 1803, making it possible that he was born in 1724 rather than 1725.

In August 1742, Guinness's mother died at the age of 44, when her oldest son was 18. That same year, he followed his father into work for Price as a registrar. The occupation would have required Guinness to be literate, versed in arithmetic, and capable of writing, all opportunities that were rare for non-nobles. In 1744, Price was appointed Archbishop of Cashel, one of the most prestigious positions afforded to a clergyman in the Church of Ireland, and which came with a substantial pay raise that would have also extended to his staff. The Guinnesses remained in Price's employ until his death on 17 July 1752. Upon his death, he bequeathed his estate, valued at IR£8,850, to several relatives and employees, and both Guinness and his father received £100 apiece. On 19 October 1752, Richard Guinness married his second wife, Elizabeth Clare. Herself a widow, Clare had taken over the White Hart Inn upon her first husband's death, and Richard and his children worked at the public house after the wedding. Working for his stepmother was likely one of several places where Guinness learned how to brew.

Beer was of such great importance to Irish life in Guinness's time that, in addition to the many breweries on the island, homebrewing was popular among matriarchs, pub owners, and estate managers, and several members of Guinness's family engaged in the process. His maternal grandfather, William Read, had applied for a licence to sell ale in 1690, which he likely brewed himself and sold at a stall on the Dublin—Cork road. Working as a manager for Reverend Price's estate, Richard Guinness had a litany of his own responsibilities, most of which involved housekeeping and managing Price's funds. While it is frequently believed that Guinness had a hand in managing Price's brewery, this is unlikely, as the malt house in Oakley Park was listed as Jasper Carbery's property. This brewery was well known in Kildare for its porter, which had become a popular drink in the United Kingdom during Guinness's childhood.

Guinness brewery
Guinness purchased his first brewery in Leixlip in 1755. This first brewery, which he acquired in September, was a three-story building that ran from the street to the River Liffey. The river provided him with easy access to water for brewing and for power, while barley was grown in neighbouring farms. Hops, meanwhile, could be easily brought from Dublin, as Leixlip sat along the main Dublin—Galway road. The origin of Guinness's yeast is unknown, but is likely from Kildare and possibly originated from the White Hart Inn. In September 1756, Guinness signed several more Leixlip leases, including a property owned by Philadelphia businessman George Bryan.

In 1759, Guinness moved to Dublin, leaving his Leixlip property in the care of his brother Richard. This move coincided with the Seven Years' War, which caused a number of economic upsets in Ireland, culminating in the collapse of several banks and a 1759 financial crisis that created an abundance of affordable property in Dublin. Guinness was interested in acquiring a brewery at St. James's Gate that had been abandoned nine years prior. The site was 4 acre and contained a brewhouse, a gristmill, two malt houses, and stables. The location was also economically advantageous, as Ireland was in the process of building its Grand Canal, which was intended to terminate just outside of St. James's Gate. Guinness leased the site from the Rainsford family on 31 December 1759. Under the agreement, he made a £100 downpayment and agreed to pay an additional £45 annually for 9,000 years.

One major conflict that dominated Guinness's early brewery career involved the terms of his lease as they related to water usage. The brewery's first owner, Giles Mee, had signed two separate leases with the Dublin Corporation: one for the property and one for the use of water. When the brewery fell into disuse in 1750, the water lease was forgotten. By 1773, the Corporation had become angry with Guinness, claiming that his brewery was using more water than was afforded by his lease, while Guinness rebutted that the terms of the lease afforded him water "free of tax or pipe money". In April 1775, the corporation, who discovered that Guinness had made a number of alterations to his pipe system in order to draw more water onto his property, elected to physically cut off his supply. Guinness, in return, confronted the corporation with a pickaxe and threatened to dig his own channel. The properties agreed to settle the matter in court, and in 1785, Guinness agreed to lease his water from the City of Dublin for an annual charge of £10.

While he was immediately popular in Dublin, Guinness did not rise to immediate dominance among regional brewers. Tax information from 1766 indicates that he was still far outpaced by a number of rival brewers such as Taylor, Thwaites, and Phepoe. As a whole, the Dublin brewers were less economically successful than English brewers, whose imported porter was the dominant drink in the city. Guinness began tentatively adding porter to his ale-heavy brewery in 1778, and by 1783, it dominated his marketing, with Guinness telling a parliamentary committee, "a porter buys none but the best, as none else will answer". A memoranda book that Guinness kept in 1796 shows that porter production at the St. James's Gate brewery was by that time five times larger than his ale output. On 22 April 1799, Guinness formally brewed his last ale, forthwith declaring St. James's Gate a "porter brewery". Although he limited his brewery to dark beer, Guinness did experiment with different forms of porter. His concept of a "West India Porter", which utilised a greater hops and alcohol content to survive long overseas travel to the Caribbean, later became the basis for Guinness Foreign Extra Stout.

As a prominent figure within the Dublin brewery scene, as well as a member of the gentry following his marriage to Olivia Whitmore, Guinness became an agent for political change on behalf of Irish brewers. He served first as warden and later as master of the Dublin Corporation of Brewers, a position through which he would frequently argue on behalf of the brewing industry to the Irish Parliament. Of particular issue was the subject of the taxation of beer: in 1773, Guinness and fellow brewer George Thwaites petitioned the Irish House of Commons to change a restrictive taxation policy under which domestic Irish porter was taxed at a rate more than five times greater than beer imported from England. Four years later and amidst a greater crisis in British taxation policies caused by the American Revolutionary War, the House of Commons formally changed the tax code to no longer subsidise the Irish importation of English porter. This change created a market for the importation of Irish porter into England, and beer exportation soon became a staple of the Irish economy. Two years after the tax code was altered, Guinness became the official beer purveyor of Dublin Castle.

Family
On 17 June 1761, Guinness married Olivia Whitmore, a younger woman from a wealthy and well-connected family who offered him a £1,000 dowry. Whitmore was a descendant of William of Wykeham and had several socio-politically prominent relatives. One of these was her cousin Henry Grattan, a member of the Parliament of Ireland who argued in favour of aiding Catholics and gaining legislative independence in Ireland. With Arthur, Olivia Guinness suffered 11 miscarriages but gave birth to ten children, all but one of whom, Olivia, survived into adulthood. These four daughters and six sons were named, from oldest to youngest, Elizabeth, Hosea, Arthur, Edward, Olivia, Benjamin, Louisa, John Grattan, William Lunell, and Mary Anne. Elizabeth was born on 28 February 1763; by the time of Mary Anne's birth in 1787, Elizabeth was already married.

Elizabeth Guinness married Frederick Darley in 1809, the same year that he became the Lord Mayor of Dublin. As Guinness's firstborn son, Hosea, born in 1765, was expected to inherit the family business, but he instead chose to enter the clergy. He was educated at Winchester College, the University of Oxford, and Trinity College Dublin before serving as the rector of St. Werburgh's Church, Dublin, until his death in 1841. Both Louisa and Mary Anne married into the clergy, wedding William Dean Hoare and John Burke, respectively.

Guinness's third child, also named Arthur, was born in 1768. Upon his father's death, he inherited the brewery at St. James's Gate, where he was assisted by his brothers Benjamin and William. In 1808, Benjamin and William became full partners in the company, which was renamed Guinness (A., Ben & W.L.) brewers. John Grattan Guinness, who had previously served in the East India Company, joined the brewery company as a sales agent in 1824, but left the position after his wife's death. When the younger Arthur died himself in 1855, his youngest son, named Benjamin after his uncle, took over brewery operations. Guinness's only economically unsuccessful child was Edward, who fell into debt after investing in a failed ironworks company. In 1811, a bankrupt Edward Guinness fled to the Isle of Man as protection from his debtors.

Politics and religion
Guinness was politically active throughout his life, both as a supporter of his cousin-in-law Henry Gratton and as a member of the Dublin Corporation. He was additionally a lifelong member and secretary of the Kildare Knot, a dining club made up of wealthy individuals regardless of religion. During his tenure, the Knot was involved with the Irish Volunteers, a patriotic militia group dedicated to defending Ireland from potential French invaders. Guinness's primary political positions, however, concerned the rights of Catholics to fully participate in Irish politics and society. In addition to personally hiring Catholics for his brewery, and by accounts treating them fairly, Guinness advocated to overturn laws that restricted the ability of Catholics to enter certain professions, and as a member of the Royal Dublin Society, he argued for economic developments that would positively affect lower-class Catholics in agriculture and domestic industry. He was opposed, however, to the Irish Rebellion of 1798, a rebellion of Presbyterian radicals who wished to overthrow British rule in Ireland. Guinness disliked both the economic disruption that the rebellion brought, as well as the violence. His son John was wounded in the fighting, further incurring the Guinness family's disapproval. Guinness's opposition to the rebellion garnered the ire of Irish Catholics and nationalists, who subsequently referred to his beer as his "black Protestant porter".

Guinness was a deeply religious man whose personal motto was Spes Mea in Deo, Latin for "My Hope is in God". Although he never converted to Methodism during his life, instead remaining a member of the Church of Ireland, his diaries indicate that his faith was influenced by that of John Wesley and the Methodist model of evangelical social work. He served as treasurer and later Governor of Meath Hospital and frequently donated money to St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin. Another religious inspiration for Guinness was Robert Raikes, who promoted Sunday school as a method of eliminating crime by introducing faith and morals early in life. In 1786, Guinness opened the first Sunday school in Dublin.

Many of Guinness's social positions were based on his beliefs of temperance and moderation. He believed that the duty of the wealthy and powerful was to set a strong moral example for their citizenry and looked unfavourably at what he viewed as displays of excess. He once protested the traditional feast of a new alderman, worried that the occasion would lead to drunken impropriety, and instead suggested that the money set aside for the banquet be donated to The King's Hospital. Guinness's investment in penal reform similarly stemmed from his displeasure towards what he believed was excess punishment towards criminals. He was particularly opposed to the culture of duelling among the Irish elite, which he viewed as a deadly sport masquerading as honour, but his efforts to eliminate or reduce duelling were unsuccessful. Despite his generally temperate positions, Guinness never ventured into the teetotalism movement, instead joining the belief of his fellow brewers that drunkenness was attributed to liquor, not to beer.

Later life and death
The Guinnesses moved into Beaumont House, an estate located north of Dublin, in 1764. He continued to expand and renovate the brewery throughout his life: by 1790, two flour mills in Kilmainham, known as the Hibernian Mills, were constructed and fully operational. The transition from ale to porter drastically increased his brewery's output as well: In 1796, the St. James's Gate brewery was producing 198,000 pints per month. By the time of his death, this number had reached 724,000 monthly pints.

Guinness died on 23 January 1803 at the family estate of Beaumont of unknown causes. Upon his death, his funeral bier, which was adorned with the family crest of the Magennises, carried his remains from the house to the parish church of Oughter Ard in County Kildare, and he was buried beside his mother. The funeral was presided over by his son Hosea. The inscription on his gravestone reads, "In the adjoining Vault are deposited the mortal remains of Arthur Guinness late of James's Gate in the city and of Beaumont in the County of Dublin Esquire who departed his life on the 23rd of January 1803 aged 78 years". His obituary in the Dublin Evening Post read, "The worthy and the good will regret him because his life has been useful and benevolent and virtuous."

Upon his death, Guinness's estate was valued at £23,000. In his will, Guinness left Beaumont and his investment properties to Hosea, while the younger Arthur had already inherited his brewery. Benjamin and William were given £1,500 apiece, while Elizabeth received £1,000. As Guinness's other daughters were unmarried at the time of his death, they each received £2,000 to cover a dowry. Finally, his widow was afforded Guinness's Gardiner Street house, carriage, and a fixed income of £200 annually.

Legacy
Guinness beer remains popular worldwide, having generated £12.2 billion in net sales for the 2018 fiscal year. In 1997, Guinness PLC merged with Grand Metropolitan to form the beverage conglomerate Diageo. In addition to producing beer, part of the St. James's Gate brewery has been renovated into the Guinness Storehouse, a heritage centre and tourist attraction which opened in 2000. In May 2008, Diageo announced that it would close the Guinness breweries in Kilkenny and Dundalk, as well as half of the St. James's Gate brewery, but that it would retain the Storehouse and would renovate the remainder of the Dublin brewery. In 2009, for the 250th anniversary of Guinness beer, the company established the Arthur Guinness Fund, which awards funds and mentoring to businesses invested in social reform.

Diageo declared 24 September 2009 "Arthur's Day", meant to be a worldwide celebration of Guinness's life and legacy. As part of the celebrations, An Post released a commemorative postage stamp for the brewer, as they had also done in 1959 for the brewery's 200th anniversary. Diageo promoted annual Arthur's Days for five years before cancelling the celebrations in 2014. Shortly after the festival was cancelled, the Kildare tourism department announced "Arthur's Way", a heritage trail connecting several locations in Dublin that were important to Guinness, including Celbridge, Leixlip, and Oughter Ard. The year prior, tangentially to Arthur's Day, a statue of Guinness was erected in Celbridge.

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My Teacher Is an Alien

My Teacher Is an Alien is a four-book science fiction children's book series authored by Bruce Coville. The titles include:
 * My Teacher Is an Alien (1989)
 * My Teacher Fried My Brains (1991)
 * My Teacher Glows in the Dark (1991)
 * My Teacher Flunked the Planet (1992)

My Teacher Is an Alien
The plot is about three children, Peter Thompson, who is called a nerd, Susan Simmons, the protagonist, and school bully Duncan Dougal. Susan eventually discovers that Mr. Smith, their teacher, is actually an orange-eyed green alien named Broxholm, who seems to be planning to abduct five students from his class to take back with him. She calls Peter for help, and later Duncan. They later discover that Broxholm's motives are much more complex. Susan had earlier discovered that Broxholm hated music and especially her piccolo. At the end, the heroes publicly reveal Mr. Smith to be Broxholm by having the whole school band start to play "Stars and Stripes Forever" by John Philip Sousa in the auditorium. Broxholm then makes an escape with Peter. Peter went to outer space, like he wanted to. In the end, the lesson is to never give up.

My Teacher Fried My Brains
Three months later, in My Teacher Fried My Brains, former bully Duncan Dougal discovers an alien's human disguise in the form of a human skin-like glove in a dumpster, which leads him to believe that there is still another alien posing as someone else at the school. While investigating, Duncan participates in an in-class demonstration of static electricity that he comes to believe has made him more intelligent. Since he believes this machine is making him more intelligent, he sneaks into his science classroom after school hours to use it. He gradually becomes a much more thoughtful and considerate person. One day when he is using the machine he discovers an alien creature “Poot” in the classroom refrigerator, which makes him even more suspicious of his science teacher.

One day after school when Duncan was having a terrible day, he goes into his home economics teacher Miss Betty Lou Karpou's classroom to seek advice. During this conversation, Miss Karpou is revealed to be the alien and identifies herself as Kreeblim. She freezes Duncan's body and uses his brain as a means of communication among other aliens in the galaxy who are trying to decide what they want to do with humans. Susan, the hero of the previous story, tries to save Duncan when Kreeblim is out of her house, however the two of them do not get out of the house in time.

At the end of the book, Peter (with enhanced eyesight and no need of glasses) and Broxholm return, and Duncan and Susan decide to help Peter prove to the Interplanetary Council, the ruling aliens of the galaxy, that the human race is worth saving.

My Teacher Glows in the Dark
Peter explains to Duncan and Susan what happened to him in the last few months, in My Teacher Glows in the Dark.

The story begins in Kennituck Falls, as Peter and Broxholm evade those who are trying to capture the alien, quickly reaching Broxholm's ship and leaving the Earth. They swiftly travel to the far side of the Moon and rendezvous with the starship New Jersey (so named because the ship is the same size as New Jersey). Once on board, Peter is subjected to some rather unsettling albeit benign boarding procedures and finds himself in a truly alien world, on a starship crewed by aliens from various worlds throughout the galaxy. Peter is introduced to the alien Hoo-Lan who undertakes to serve as Peter's teacher to introduce Peter to the intergalactic society he has joined. Hoo-Lan can glow in the dark, giving the book its title, although this doesn't become a plot point (making this the only book in the series where the title isn't a plot point).

Peter quickly learns that the galaxy is stranger than he had previously believed, and also discovers that the assembled alien races think humanity is uncivilized and dangerous, and that humanity is close to discovering the secret of interstellar space flight, greatly worrying the aliens about the damage that humans could do if they discover interstellar travel while still warlike. This has led the aliens to study Earth to find out why we are the way we are, and divided the aliens into factions that variously believe Earth should be left alone, conquered, quarantined, or destroyed.

Peter agrees to have his brain examined, in an effort to determine if humanity's behavior is due to a biological condition. After much study, the aliens discover that Peter is latently and naturally telepathic, which is apparently quite rare in the galaxy. Unfortunately, while attempting to study this further, Hoo-Lan falls into a coma, which the aliens suspect is Peter's doing. Oddly, they are made even more suspicious when, despite having given Peter free rein of the ship, he goes to a communications room and contacts Duncan to try to warn Earth of the aliens' plans.

The book ends with the aliens agreeing to give Peter and Broxholm one last chance to find some redeeming characteristic of humanity that would save it, apparently having decided that otherwise they will destroy the Earth. Peter and Broxholm return to Earth, setting up their appearance at the end of My Teacher Fried my Brains.

My Teacher Flunked the Planet
Peter, Susan, and Duncan end up together again with Kreeblim and Broxholm for My Teacher Flunked the Planet, as they decide to join their forces to defend Earth in front of the interplanetary council. After numerous discussions, with Hoo-Lan's help they make the case that humanity needs to largely be left alone to develop independently, while Peter also asks that the council send Earth alien teachers to help them learn and grow, so that Earth can seek the council's approval when it is ready.

Computer game
A computer game based on the series was produced by 7th Level and Byron Preiss Multimedia Company. Players can take the perspective of the three main children in the series, Peter Thompson, Duncan Dougal or Susan Simmons.

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Talk:Complex convexity

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Tales of monkey island
should we add that hes gona be in it and he looks in his zombie form (its unkown if he can switch between forms like EMI) ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ (talk) 10:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Earl Boen as LeChuck?
This needs to be cited as I have been advised multiple times that Earl Boen is not doing LeChuck's voice for Tales of Monkey Island. The only reference I seem to show for the entire Notes section right now is to Ron's blog which doesn't mention Earl at all (at least not in that post). -24.155.116.126 (talk) 05:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Earl Boen returned in chap 4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.102.38 (talk) 17:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

third lechuck voice
the human LeChuck has a new voice in chapter 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.99.44 (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Plot summaries much too long.
As per:

Plot

All the plot summaries are way too detailed and need to be cut down drastically.24.190.34.219 (talk) 02:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

um no...no it isnt its actuly wiki admins and mods being all nit picky and bossy just ignore it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.57.2 (talk) 08:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

LeChuck's curse
There is an online fighting card game called Kongai, which features a ghost pirate, and one of his attacks is LeChuck's Curse. This might or might not be to do with this, but its worth it being on the discussion I think. Lord loss210 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.255.250 (talk) 13:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. Postdlf 00:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

E Clampus Vitus
This was tagged for speedy as nonsense, but it does exist; hence I listed it here. No vote. Xezbeth 07:48, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Cleanup. It seems to exist and to be notable, but much of the history sections smells like a hoax. Martg76 08:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and revert/clean-up. Jeez, a little quick with the VfD.  Take a look at the page history.  It was a perfectly servicable page before the massive edits on the 17th and 18th of April.  Note that the ECV's most famous activity is to pull pranks on historians. (See Drake's Plate of Brass.) No surprise they have found their Wikipedia page and had a good time.  I am going to revert the page.  This will have the side effect of wiping out the VfD.  If you think it should be re-applied, go for it.  Thanks --Chris vLS 15:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I've reverted even further back, to a more likely version. If somebody disagrees, go ahead and revert my reversion.  As the author of the original version, I vote Keep.  RickK 19:13, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Please see talk page for reversion/copyvio discussion between ecvjackass and RickK. Chris vLS 04:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, but clean it up, and keep an eye on it. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think that there's very little chance that this is going to be manageable, and the organisation may exist but (as the current, somewhat obsessive, editor has admitted) it's largely known for pranks and hoaxes.  This looks very much like one of them. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:51, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and concur with Mel Etitis. It seems like we have here a user who is determined to rule over this article as his personal fiefdom, and has no regard for the way things are usually done around here. It is next to impossible to get anything of value out of the article as it stands, and when I read it I have no idea whether I'm looking at fact or fiction. I don't see it becoming worthy of being called truly encyclopedic or useful to the reader. We are better off without it. — Trilobite (Talk) 01:13, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the reverted version. RickK appears to be an impartial observer interested in writing an NPOV article, whereas the other author appears to be a prankster with an agenda. — Trilobite (Talk) 12:26, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, because it's just... just... weird... and probably not very historical, and so obscure that very few of us can verify alterations to it. For some odd reason this smells to me like it's copyvio'd, but I'll have to check... Master Thief Garrett 03:58, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article as it stands is not encyclopaedic. Megan1967 05:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I have a hard time gauging the reasons for deleting this article. We have an article on much less distinguished jokes. -- Cimon
 * It's not a joke. ECV is a historical society which refreshes old gold rush historic sites and puts historical plaques up.  RickK 06:12, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

I have no idea why you people are trying to delete this article. E Clampus Vitus is a well-known historical society in the California area. I know that the User has given us a bad article here, but it needs cleaning up, not deleting. What makes it weird? OK, I've reverted Ecvjackass's changes again. Please review the current version as of this date and time, and discuss the article based on that. This is definitely a notable organization. RickK 05:55, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Infamous and renowned organisation - a definite keep. If I've heard of it 9and the famed Drake Plate Hoax) several thousand miles away on the other side of the Pacific, then it must give you some indication that it's pretty well known. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 13:05, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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