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Envy (2004 film)

Envy is a 2004 American black comedy buddy film directed by Barry Levinson and starring Ben Stiller and Jack Black. The film was a critical and commercial failure.

Plot
Tim Dingman and Nick Vanderpark are best friends, neighbors and co-workers at 3M. Nick is constantly coming up with crazy ideas to get rich quick, and when he invents Vapoorize, a spray that instantly disintegrates dog feces, he actually succeeds. As Nick's wealth continues to grow, so does Tim's envy, as he had initially scoffed at the idea and squandered an opportunity to invest and become mega-rich himself. Nick is blissfully unaware of Tim's envy, and his generosity only serves to make Tim more envious of him. Meanwhile, Nick's wife Natalie decides to run for state senate but is continually plagued by questions about her husband's product.

After Tim's wife Debbie and children temporarily leave and he is fired from 3M, Tim's envy reaches new levels. In a bar, he meets J-Man, a bizarre drifter, who lends a sympathetic ear and offers advice. After a drunken night out, Tim accidentally shoots Nick's beloved horse, Corky, with a bow and arrow, apparently killing him, and buries the horse in his abandoned swimming pool.

Nick offers a $50,000 reward for the return of his horse. J-Man and Tim concoct a plan whereby J-Man would discover the horse and claim the reward, splitting the proceeds. However, a series of unfortunate events, including Tim's family getting holed up in J-Man's mountain cabin, leads to the horse's carcass being lost in a rain storm.

Nick reveals to Tim that he is going to Rome for the debut of Vapoorize there, and gives Tim the opportunity to join him in a 50/50 partnership, which he accepts. J-Man finds out that Tim is now rich, and, feeling betrayed, tries to blackmail him. After confessing to his wife, now enjoying her rich lifestyle, Tim agrees to pay J-Man; however, J-Man ups his demands and asks to be Tim's partner. Tim accidentally shoots him in the back with an arrow and J-Man, believing that Tim has tried to kill him, backs down in fear.

Tim eventually confesses all to Nick who forgives him for his jealousy and agrees to continue with the partnership; however, at a press conference for Natalie's electoral campaign (where she promises to withdraw her candidacy if it is proven Vapoorize is harmful to the environment in any way), Corky's body is seen floating down the nearby river. The animal's post-mortem reveals that the horse was not killed by the arrow as previously thought but actually poisoned by a by-product of Vapoorize, used by Tim to treat his garden after Corky came to eat the apples from his tree. The veterinarian informs the pair that she is obliged to notify the Environmental Protection Agency, and Vapoorize is immediately pulled from the market. Nick and Tim almost lose all their wealth and glory, until Tim comes up with an invention of his own: Pocket Flan, inspired by Nick's family's love for the dessert. J-Man is shown in the audience of Tim and Nick's infomercial for Pocket Flan, apparently reconciled.

Cast

 * Ben Stiller as Tim Dingman
 * Jack Black as Nick Vanderpark
 * Rachel Weisz as Debbie Dingman
 * Amy Poehler as Natalie Vanderpark
 * Christopher Walken as J-Man Goddard

Reception
Envy received generally negative reviews from critics. On Rotten Tomatoes the film has an approval rating of 8% based on 118 reviews with an average rating of 3.11/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "Jack Black and Ben Stiller fail to wring laughs from a script that's essentially one extended poop joke." On Metacritic, the film has a score of 31 out of 100 based on 30 critics, indicating "generally unfavorable reviews". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "D" on an A+ to F scale.

Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times gave the film 2 out of 4 stars. He said "the movie is funny, yes, but not really funny enough." Variety's Robert Koehler wrote that the film "can't decide whether to be an eccentric black comedy or a middle-of-the-road diversion" and "Levinson's desire to provoke extreme laughs isn't matched by a strategy of how to get to the edge -- especially when the edge is some distance from his trusty Baltimore storytelling roots."

Stella Papamichael of BBC said that "Envy is all about flogging a dead horse", while Nick Schager of Slant Magazine stated regarding a scene in a film: "[a] canary-yellow Lamborghini's license plate reads "Caca King" in Envy, nicely summing up this dreadful money-versus-friendship comedy".

According to Time Out "Had School of Rock not made Jack Black so bankable, this comedy would surely have gone straight to video – which is where it belongs".

The film was nominated for a Razzie Award for Worst Actor (Stiller), but lost to Fahrenheit 9/11 (George W. Bush).

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Hollywood Hijinx

Hollywood Hijinx is an interactive fiction video game written by Dave Anderson and Liz Cyr-Jones and published by Infocom in 1986. The game was released for the Apple II, Atari 8-bit computers, Atari ST, Amstrad CPC, Amstrad PCW, Commodore 64, Amiga, TI-99/4A, and MS-DOS. It was Infocom's twenty-third game.

Plot
As the favorite among all of actor-director Buddy Burbank and Hildegarde Montague's nephews and nieces, the player's character stands to inherit the entirety of the Burbank estate, including their palatial home Hildebud, if the player can find the ten treasures (props from Buddy's films) that crafty Aunt Hildegarde has hidden on the grounds, that is. It all has to be done in the space of one night.

Hildebud is filled with props, posters, and other memorabilia from Buddy's numerous films: a model of Tokyo with Atomic Chihuahua, the Maltese Finch, and a statue of "Buck Palace, the Fighting Mailman" (star of such films as Postage Due and Special Delivery). There are hidden passages, a convoluted hedge maze, and other bizarre features of the estate. Strange noises sound like someone else is in the house.

Feelies
Physical items included in the game's packaging were:
 * 1) A copy of Tinsel World, a fictional Hollywood tabloid
 * 2) A swizzle stick in the shape of a palm tree
 * 3) An autographed picture of Uncle Buddy with inscription on the back
 * 4) Aunt Hildegarde's will

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Daniel Trefler

Daniel Trefler (born 1959) is a Canadian economist who is currently the J. Douglas and Ruth Grant Chair in Competitiveness and Prosperity at the Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto. He is among the most influential and frequently cited economists worldwide.

Background
Born and raised in Toronto, Trefler graduated from the University of Toronto in 1982 with a B.A. in economics and mathematics. He then attended Cambridge University and UCLA, receiving his M.Phil. from the former (1983) and Ph.D. from the latter (1989). Starting that year, he worked at the University of Toronto's Department of Economics. He spent the two years from 1994 to 1996 at the University of Chicago, before deciding to return home permanently to Toronto to serve as a professor at the Rotman School in the University of Toronto. In 2004, he was awarded the prestigious Canada Research Chair.

Career
Trefler's work has provided academics, policymakers, and business leaders with invaluable observations on economic issues facing Canada and nations worldwide. Some of his most recognized academic contributions include his "case of the missing trade", the impact of exporting on firm productivity, and the relationship between a country's income and the products it exports. His studies have brought deep insights into how international trade can fundamentally alter societal institutions: for example, how changes in the relative power of special interest groups can impact innovation, constitutional arrangements, worker rights, and the distribution of wealth. Currently, he has been studying the impact of artificial intelligence on trade.

Trefler is renowned for his ground-breaking contributions to public policy formation in Canada, and he has been given full scope to pursue his many policy initiatives, including in the Ontario Task Force on Competitiveness, Productivity and Economic Progress, as well as in Global Affairs Canada. His research has been instrumental in the design of trade agreements that promote productivity, innovation, and investment while minimizing harmful effects on workers. In recent years, he helped frame the document that launched the Canada-EU trade agreement.

In Canada, Trefler is a Senior Research Fellow at the Canadian Institute for Advanced Studies, a research fellow at the C.D. Howe Institute, an advisor to the Institute for Competitiveness and Prosperity, and served as a member of the academic advisory board in the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade. Internationally, he is a research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research and the Centre for Policy Research. He gives public lectures and seminars across the world, including at Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Yale, LSE and Peking University. He makes frequent media appearances within Canada and abroad, including a term as an invited columnist at The Globe and Mail.

Trefler was a long-standing co-editor at the Journal of International Economics, the top-ranked journal in his field, and served on the Editorial Board of the American Economic Association's Journal of Economic Literature. He has received all three major awards of the Canadian Economics Association: the Harry Johnson Prize, John Rae Prize, and the Innis Lecture, the latter of which is awarded in recognition of contributions to economics in the broadest sense. He was awarded Canada's Killam Prize in 2016. Dubbed Canada's Nobel, the Killam Prize is awarded annually to "academic titans" for "pushing the boundaries of their fields" His advocacy on behalf of children earned him the Noni MacDonald Award from the Canadian Paediatric Society. He is the recipient of the Bank of Canada Fellowship Award and was the 2011 Ohlin Lecture, the most internationally celebrated lecture in his core field of international economics.

Selected Articles for a General Audience

 * "The Politics of Inequality." Rotman Magazine. Fall 2017, pages 94–97.
 * "Canada Should Lead Development of Clean, Renewable Energy." Globe & Mail. June 22, 2015. With Alan Bernstein and Ted Sargent.
 * "Canada: Oiled by Tar or Tarred by Oil." OpenCanada.org. April 7, 2014.
 * "The One Percent in History." Rotman Magazine. Fall 2013, pages 93–96.
 * "Loonacy of Parity: How a Strong Dollar Weakens Canada." Globe & Mail. October 16, 2010, F9.
 * "A Time and Place for Free Trade." Harvard College Economic Review, volume II, issue 2. Spring 2008.
 * "Think Globally, Invest Locally: Responding to the Rise of Offshoring." Rotman Magazine. Fall 2005, pages 42–45.
 * "Treating Children Well Strengthens a Nation." The Ottawa Citizen. September 4, 2004.
 * "Looking Back: How Childhood Experiences Impact a Nation’s Wealth." Rotman Magazine. Spring/Summer 2004.

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Pabst Blue Ribbon Whiskey
Why is there no mention in the article that Pabst now produces and sells a Pabst Blue Ribbon Whiskey? YborCityJohn (talk) 01:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Probably because you haven't added it yet. Carry on...  ;-)  Regards,  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 05:36, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Location History
Originally they were from Milwaukee then they moved to chicago and recently move to texas they still have a factory in Milwaukee and they still advertise they are from Milwaukee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.10.148 (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Vintage Pabst advertisement
I have a very old metal advertisement of a last drinking a glass of Pabst beer. it was hanging in my brother in-laws bar for many years. A great conversation piece at his bar. It’s in good condition. Can you tell me it it’s worth.? 148.74.117.211 (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 * It's definitely worth taking a photo of it and uploading it to Wikimedia Commons, if you have a good camera. I think it would fit well in this article. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 18:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Adult Themes for Voice

Adult Themes for Voice is a 1996 album by Mike Patton. Recorded in hotel rooms while touring as a member of Faith No More, the album is solely composed of vocal sounds arranged as noise music. Released on John Zorn's Tzadik Records label, the album has largely met with negative reviews citing its abstruse and inaccessible nature.

Production
Adult Themes for Voice is composed entirely of sounds produced vocally by Mike Patton, featuring no other instrumentation. The compositions include sounds described as "harsh scraping noises, squeaks, and underwater sounds". Patton recalled similar vocal experimentation from his childhood, first having taught himself to sing by imitating non-verbal sounds, and later being gifted a record by his parents which he described as "this little flexi-disc of mouth sounds, like guys that could make odd sounds. I don't know why they gave it to me, but that was one of my favourite records". The album was recorded in various hotel rooms while on tour as a member of Faith No More, using a TASCAM four-track Portastudio.

Release and reception
Adult Themes for Voice was released on April 23, 1996, on Tzadik Records. Tzadik is operated by John Zorn, a long-time collaborator with Patton.

AllMusic's Greg Prato rated the album three stars out of five, stating "there isn't a note of music on the album; it's essentially noise". Prato noted that the music's composition meant that songs flowed into each other "as a continuous piece", and could not point out any specific highlights as a result. Writing for Exclaim!, Joe Smith-Englehardt has described the album as "noise for the sake of noise", noting Patton's "incredibly unique vocals". Simon Young, writing for Kerrang!, described both Adult Themes for Voice and Patton's follow-up, Pranzo Oltranzista, as "expensive lessons in buyer’s remorse". Writing in the book Avant Rock: Experimental Music from the Beatles to Bjork, philosophy professor Bill Martin compared the album to Yoko Ono's 1971 release Fly, and to the vocal techniques of Cathy Berberian and Joan La Barbara. Martin described the album as "quite radical", but questioned whether it would appeal to any particular audience.

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Word up
I'm not a homophobe, but I know a number of gays who've felt conflicted by their sexuality, particularly before they've come out or if they're religious. I'd suggest that internal conflict and your identity crisis (English birth, Kiwi upbringing - and accent presumably) are responsible for your borderline psychotic behaviour online. Oh and by the way, I don't particularly dislike New Zealanders either. What I do dislike however, is people with a god complex, and little understanding of a certain political situation pontificating on the matter. --MacRusgail 16:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC) p.s. "Why bother?" - to use your words.
 * Word up? Sorry, I don't speak ghetto.
 * Anyone who brings up the sexuality of another as a form of detriment to shoot down an argument in the thin hope that others too will think them witty and clever is indeed a homophobe. You couldn't have said to a black person that they 'obviously have an issue' with their race because they were debating you on icecream or Ladybugs.  Accusations of sexual mis-identity, religious conflict or the most poignant question facing mankind: with which accent should one speak, are meaningless and designed to provoke retaliation.
 * I think that you have completely misread the situation with my passion on these topics. It is precisely that I don't have an internal identify conflict and am very aware of my roots and heritage that I am so willing to defend it, even against nasty Scottish nationalists, who are rendered somewhat incapable to approach a situation that doesn't demonise English identity or history, with a level-headed view. Enzedbrit 20:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Is every one who is aganist an evil anti - English nationilist, or is that just the way it comes across as you angrily bang on your keyboard? Is my Grammar School and Oxford English readable to you?

 * "anti - English nationilist ... Is my Grammar School and Oxford English readable to you?" [sic] - 'nuff said.

 * The above incoherent sentence was posted by MacRusgail.Enzedbrit 21:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007
If you are in Auckland or nearby, you are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - Linnah 08:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:FLAGS edit warring
Stop edit warring; take to Talk. --Mais oui! 05:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Photie
Leaving aside hostilities for the time being... great photo!!! Congrats. Now, are you the lucky man who married a Scot? Or am I obliged to ask if you are a true Scotsman? ;) --Mais oui! 10:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I wed the Highlander, he wed the Geordie.Enzedbrit 22:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I assume that you are both familiar with that classic Dandy comic strip: The Jocks and the Geordies? --Mais oui! 09:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I'd never heard of it. I thought it would've been something to do with Berwick, the inhabitants of whom are rendered Jocks in Newcastle and Geordies in Edinburgh.  I'll have to obtain a copy of The Dandy, thank you.Enzedbrit 22:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was thinking similar thoughts. Of course the stereotypical Scot is a Highlander (far away from The Border), and nobody in north Northumberland would self-identify as a Geordie! But it is only a comic after all! Their lifeblood is outdated stereotypes. --Mais oui! 09:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that people in North Northumberland would admit to speaking Geordie. It would've been better had the creators used actual Geordie/Northumbrian stereotypes for the English boys though.  For example, dressing them in Northumbrian tartan and puttin leeks in their caps!  I notice that in the article of Aschaffenburg where I added the flag of the UK and tidied up the sister-city section, you 'reverted' the flag to the Scottish flag.  Previously, there was no flag and a jumbled sentence.  I'm sorry but this really does show your agenda of changing the union flag to the Scottish flag for all Scottish sister-cities, not simply reverting flags to prevent a flag war.  That's disappointing. Enzedbrit 05:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Depends which part of Northumberland, Allan. The Mackems don't consider themselves Geordie, nor does Sunderland. This may apply to parts of rural Northumberland. By the way, it's the "Shepherd's plaid/check/tartan" rather than the Northumbrian one. The oldest example is from Falkirk, not a very Northumbrian place at all. --MacRusgail 20:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

GayNZ.com
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Hello
Good to see you've decided to come back. I had a bit of a wobble (pun inteded, by the way it's from the Wobble Hypothesis if you've ever wondered, which I've always thought is a great name for a scientific theory) myself recently. I stopped editing a lot of articles that were causing me a lot of stress. I somehow got into editing articles about the concept of "race", and being a biologist and geneticist was incensed at how my discipline was being abused by racists and fascists to further their repugnant agenda. I was shocked and saddened that so many people devote so much time and effort to undermine science to promote hatred. Sad little gits really. But ultimatelly I found it very emotionally draining to be constantly battling, especially with certain people intent on wikilawyering, interpreting every little remark as a "personal attack" and every removal of their lies from an article as "vandalism". I was reported to WP:PAIN several times, then to WP:ANI twice, when nothing came of this the guy kept leaving messages on admins talk pages complaining about me. I got very pissed off and was going to jack it all in, I felt persecuted. But then that's what these people want isn't it? I was advised that I could have reported this guy for harrasement, but I'm not so small minded as the fascists are, it's always about bullying with them, never about truth. There's a nice quote that I like from the Marquis de Sade ''Never are Tyrants born of Anarchy. You see them flourish only behind the screen of Law.'' I think it sums it up really, tyrants are only interested in using any means possible to silence their critics. So I thought why should I give in? Anyway I'm glad to see you're back (that doesn't sound quite right). I had a look at the AfD above and voted for a keep, can't see why it would have been AfD'd in the first place really, there's a lot less notable articles than that on Wikipedia. Anyway, keep the faith and all that. Cheers. Alun 18:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I'm glad that you're back! I couldn't stay away either.  When one has a vested interest in something, one finds it hard simply to turn one's head and ignore what's going on.  For example, the English People and Modern Celts artile, particularly the latter, has welcomed in quite a few anglophobic viewpoints.  I see your frustration with racists and fascists.  It's the same passion I have for things British an Queer, although I'm surpried that the task falls to you to combat the prejudice that you've been attacking.  Where are the moderators?  As you can probably guess, my current task at hand is defending the dignity of LGBT people through disassociation with NAMBLA, a paedophilic organisation, which some are trying to lend credibility through association with our community.  As you can also see (and a message to several others who will be reading this), I'm trying to be provoked into retaliation to serve the self-interest of people half a world away who'd like to see me banned.  Fat chance :)  I'm honoured though to see that I've earned a few cyber bullies.  EPF was just an anti-English pain in the behind.  Anyway, I hope that things are going well in Finland.  After a miserable start to summer (thank you climate change) we're finally experiencing GORGEOUS weather and I'm able to get a good 5km jog in plus half our swim at Oriental Bay each lunchtime.  The water's been so warm.  The advantage of NZ - it's possible to swim in water ways and be warm, knowing you won't be attacked by large reptiles or sharks.  Astonishingly for Wellington, we haven't had rain in about a week either.  Brilliant!  Only mid-20's but what more could one expect :)  I'm making the most of summer before autumn and the southerlies arrive.
 * By the way, if you want an awesome pastime (besides work, uni, weekend work, gardening, jogging, clubbing and fraternising with the German internationals, or is that just me?), you should try baking really nice chocolate cakes with proper thick sugary almond icing. You know your frustration and disappointment at weddings and such like when you cut into one of these amazing cakes only to find that it's a fruitcake?  Well, bake your own!  Make it into shapes, like discus, maps of New Ze... Finland or Britain, use food colouring, etc.  It's life's little pleasures! Enzedbrit 09:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing
I'm a little concerned by these edits:, , , , , ,. I suggest you read Wikipedia's policy on canvassing editors in a dispute at WP:CANVASS. I have no idea on what basis you selected these editors but your message was clearly partisan. An edit summary of "HELP!" accompanying a message inviting people to "voice your disgust at NAMBLA being included as an LGBT organisation" is not salvaged by adding "if you believe that this is indeed an LGBT organisation, then you're welcome to voice that opinion". The indication of which option you prefer in those terms makes it clearly partisan. In addition, any editor's "disgust" is completely irrelevant. The question (expressed neutrally) was whether a group disowned by a majority of LGBT organization should nonetheless be categorized as a LGBT organization by Wikipedia. That question can be considered in the abstract without becoming emotive about NAMBLA's controversial agenda. In future I would suggest a more neutral forum for soliciting other opinions such as a request for comment or a request for a third opinion. WjBscribe 00:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm only happy to canvas as I have been canvassed in the past. Perhaps you should've been there to point previous canvassers to their wrong-doings, and us innocents would learn from their mistakes! However, I appreciate the more useful way of solicting support, and I shall indeed be using it. Enzedbrit 02:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Heavens to Mergatroid, as my good friend Snagglepuss would say! Enzedbrit, try as I might, it is difficult to assume good faith when confronted with such damning evidence of attempted vote stacking! You didn't just alert users of a controversy (a violatrion in and of itself), you actually told them to "voice your disgust". Not very Wiki of you. Consider a Wiki holiday, and use the time to refresh yourself on the policies here. I am concerned about your well being. Jeffpw 00:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

(unindent) I don't think paedophilia is recognised as being completely divorced from adult categories of sexual attraction. You get gay paedophiles, bisexual paedophiles, straight paedophiles. Abviously not all paedophiles are homosexuals. But those who are male and solely interested in sleeping with boys are both paedophiles and homosexuals. That does not to me seem like a controversial statement. If NAMBLA (under a different acronym obviously) advocated legalising relationships between adults and children of all gender combinations, they would not be an LGBT organisation. But their focus on only man/boy sexual relations makes them a gay organisation. WjBscribe 04:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My well-being is fine thanks - I'm not the one sleeping with children. As for NAMBLA, I think that you've escaped quite well from what I really wanted to say.  But, in all fairness to me, I did state that, were a user to support NAMBLA's inclusion as an LGBT organisation, then they should voice that support. As detestable as NAMBLA is, people are still welcome to support it.  That's democracy. Enzedbrit 02:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "I'm not the one sleeping with children" . As far as I'm concerned that was a particularly nasty personal attack. I ask that you withdraw it immediately and apologise. WjBscribe 02:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Why? Have I accused the user of sleeping with children?  My well-being has been put to task because I have canvassed.  I think that, given the nature of my canvassing, it is entirely apt.  Were I accusing the user of sleeping with children, I w... well, I wouldn't do that.
 * I also find it strange that, were the user a supporter of, or member of, NAMBLA, that you find it nasty that I should have accused them of sleeping with children. NAMBLA is an organisation that advocates, plain and simply, sleeping with children.  Would you have me apologise to a man for accusing him of doing something that he would so readily admit to doing and something he would so readily defend?  I wouldn't expect to apologise to a man for saying that he is fat were he supporting an organisation that exists to further growing waste-lines.  Really, if I had have accused the user of sleeping with children and they were of NAMBLA, then an apology would be preposterous. Enzedbrit 03:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. I'm glad no such accusation was being made. As to your second point, I am unaware of there being any supporters of NAMBLA who edit Wikipedia. If you think everyone who argued for categorising NAMBLA as an LGBT organisation were supporters of it, you are mistaken. WjBscribe 03:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that all supporters of NAMBLA being classified as LGBT are themselves NAMBLA, although I do not see the reasoning for this support, and I am happy with my valued assumption that there will be NAMBLA members or supporters who would make this association, and it is logical that I am not alone in this assumption. In the meantime, I suggest that those who regard this as an LGBT organisation, rather than suggest to me time to refresh and 'read up on policy' actually take the time themselves to study the history of LGBT people and what it means to be part of this community and an organisation that stands for this community, and justify how NAMBLA could possibly be associated with it. Perhaps then, the insult to our people - having to be associated with committed paedophiles - would be one less worry to our gaining of credibility from heterosexual society. Enzedbrit 03:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I still think you completely misunderstand what the category is for. It is not for "Organisations that form part of the LGBT community". It is for organisations whose agendas or membership are relevant to lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered people. As an organisation interested in promoting man/boy love only, its agenda and membership and clearly related to homosexual men. Therefore it is an LGBT organisation in the broad sense. WjBscribe 03:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think that I do, and here's my reasoning. As a community, we are subjectified LGBT people.  If one doesn't subjectify, or label if you will, oneself as being queer (that's acceptable in NZ as a term) then they're not part of the community.  One must see oneself as part of it to be part of it.  Men who are members of NAMBLA are such because they advocate sex with boys.  Generally speaking, children are non-sexual beings.  A man doesn't have to be gay to sleep with (if it can be called such) or molest boys, anymore than a man who molests girls is automatically doing something heterosexual.  If a man is only interested in relationships with boys, then I doubt very much he could refer to himself as a homosexual.  If anything, I'd say that he was asexual, or at best, a committed paedosexual - I'm creating a term there and I don't know enough about asexuality to my detriment - but certainly not a homosexual.  It is a fair assumption that a homosexual is such because he or she is attracted to people of the same gender, not explicitly towards children.  Your assumption that man/boy love is 'homosexual', I'm afraid, is damaging to LGBT people (indeed it's a homophobic assumption) and that's nothing to do with NAMBLA.  It is the same as saying most paedophiles are gay because they are men and they molest boys, when in reality it's been proven to be about power and most of these men are 'heterosexual'.  The simple assertion that man-boy molestion is gay is something that anti-gay groups have been using for decades to incite public hostility.  If all members of NAMBLA have to be gay or idenfity as LGBT, then indeed NAMBLA is an organisation composed entirely of LGBT people, but it is not working towards the advancement, empowerment, advocacy or community-awareness of LGBT people.  I could call my civil union an LGBT organisation - that would have more legitimacy than NAMBLA would. Enzedbrit 03:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Per WJB's words about civility, I would also like to remind you to remain civil in your edit summaries. I have been looking through your contributions and see several that border, if not actually cross the line into personal attacks. Continued editing in this vein (canvassing, breaching civility policies, personal attacks) will earn you a block. Consider this an unofficial warning. If I see any continued violations, particularly if directed at me, I will be taking further action. Jeffpw 08:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Just who do you think you are? Get off your high horse, don't proclaim to threaten me whilst analysing my 'mental state' and watch YOUR contributions or I shall seek a block against you.  I am a stakeholder of the LGBT communty, activity involved in it, living my life openly in it and have put myself out in public in numerous occasions in defence of it.  I am in no mind to tolerate the belittlement of my people in any way, shape or form, and you're mistaken if you think I'll be cyber-bullied by you. Remember that next time you drag a community's reputation, and in my case, my personal state, throug the muck. Enzedbrit 09:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Enzedbrit, I am not the one who is violating wiki policies right and left. Canvassing edits like the ones WJB has pointed out above; implying that I am a child molester for disagreeing with you, and edit summaries such as this, this, and this imply a lack of familiarity with WP:CANVAS, WP:NPA and WP:CIV (and that is just a perusal of the first page of your contributions. No telling what further exploration will uncover). As to your remarks about my contributions, if you feel they have been uncivil you are welcome to seek comment or administrative action. Alternatively, you may also point out examples of policy breach to me; if I feel I was in error I will promptly apologize. Lastly, let me say that I appreciate the fact that you are "a stakeholder of the LGBT communty, activity involved in it, living my life openly in it and have put myself out in public in numerous occasions in defence of it." As somebody who has been actively involved in the LGBT movement since before you were born, it gratifies me to see young people participate, no matter how naive I may see their contributions. Jeffpw 09:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Jeffpw, for a start, I am not 'violating' anything left and right. I have accepted the advice regarding 'canvassing' and I have accused you of nothing.  So here, it is you that is accusing me of something that I have not done.  Disagreeing with me or not, I have not accused you of molesting children.  I made a comment that wasn't directed at you about sleeping with children, not molesting them, a reference to the people that I hold in abhorrence who DO sleep with children, are proud of that fact, have organised NAMBLA to proclaim that, and that is why we are having this nasty debate.  So, I now expect you to withdraw your false accusation against me and apologise, thank you.  I do not doubt my passion in the past has been out of hand, but I shall not apologise for this.  Please, cite me if you shall, because I am happy to build a similar case against you, and believe me I shall.  As I say, I don't like bullies and I'm afraid that this is what you are.  Now, I'm grateful to the older generation for what they endured 'before my birth' with regards to the rights that I have now as a queer man, but any support to paedophilia and the attempt to legitimise this by embracing it as part of the LGBT movement is not something that I will condone, and you can rest assured that you've not seen the end of this debate, trying as you are to shut me up.  As for debates on Modern Celts, etc., my passion extends to racists and Anglophobes. Enzedbrit 10:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've also just looked at those links. What's wrong with my edit summaries?  1 - I reverted not only something that is historically INCORRECT but also anti-English.  What's your gripe?  2 - do you object to 'bloody'?  Welcome to NZ English 3 - and as applied to most of what I change, I actually (unlike most) go to the effort to justify my changes in the talk pages and welcome debate on them.  Others will simply add without explanation and revert what I do likewise without explanation.  The case of "Scottish are closely related to Scots-Irish" was one such case that had no justification, made no sense, and nobody had bothered to cite or explain how it was relevant, which it isn't.  If you want rid of me because I detest NAMBLA, you'll have to do better than cite my changes on a completely unrelated topic.  I'm off to bed.  Ka kite ano. Enzedbrit 10:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We've thoroughly discussed your violation of WP:CANVAS. Far from accepting the advice, you said you plan to continue that behaviour. Regarding the first edit summary I provided above, calling another editor racist is not assuming good faith. Please read that guideline. In edit #2, you push your POV about NAMBLA. Your summary of the organization is completely contrary to their stated mission, and potentially libelous. In example #3, I find calling another editor's contributions "rubbish" to be more than a bit uncivil. Finally, for the sake of clarity, nobody is trying to "shut you up". I and others are merely trying to point out that while perhaps your heart is in the right place, your actions are contrary to how Wikipedia functions. Jeffpw 10:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Again it's about what I have said and haven't said, and I haven't called the user racist. I haven't said that I would continue to canvas, I stated that I am happy to do it but will follow the advice given in the future.  There is nothing libellous about what I've said - come on!  You're really clutching at straws at this in an effort not to back down.  As for another editor's contribution as rubbish, the statement as given WAS rubbish because it was false, not based on fact, incoherent, made no sense.  That is what rubbish is and your sensitivities are extreme to find offence at the use of rubbish as a description.  You and ANOTHER - not 'others' - are indeed being deliberately provocative and, in your case, are doing so in a way that reveals your own hypocrisy.  Shall we continue? Enzedbrit 20:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at all the edits in question here, but you definitely accused someone of racism. You need to keep your edits limited to discussion of contributions, not contributors. I'd like to help you argue that NAMBLA doesn't belong in the LGBT category, but you need to get your behavior in check, immediately, or you will very likely find yourself blocked. Don't take this as a threat. Take it as an opportunity to have a nice cup of tea and a sitdown, please. — coe l acan t a lk  — 21:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

 * There is a difference between calling somoene a racist and citing them for racism. I have reverted an anglophobic statement and have said that racism isn't tolerated on wikipedia.  I really fail to see how this is in any way a violation of anything.  My edits are indeed to contributions, and these paternalistic comments are both extremely patronising and vexatious, and comments such as you'll find yourself blocked are actually threatening, jumping on a bandwagon that has no basis.  My posts aren't attacking individuals but they are in opposition to the majority position so it is easy for those of that opinion to state that I am indeed attacking them and then come out with we'll have you blocked if you don't play nice - right... Unless you think 'get over yourself' is a tremendous insult, but if that's going to get one barred from wikipedia, I'll be well rid of it.  Thankfully, it is not.  I'm glad that someone is happy to debate that NAMBLA isn't LGBT, but keep it to the debate at hand and leave off the debators.  Remember, it is you and others who are pursuing me into my talk space to comment on my 'behaviour'.  Shall we continue? Enzedbrit 23:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Although I will add that I find it frustrating that you should make a comment to have a cup of tea and watch my behaviour, because what you are suggesting essentially is that my contributions to the discussion aren't welcome at all, even though they have not been out of line. I have combatted each differing opinion with my own logic, and it's that logic that's not welcome.  I shan't back down in my resolve, and that's unwelcome in a forum with a majority opinion contrary to my own.  Which position is this realistically to put me in?  I don't see your logic.Enzedbrit 23:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand why you're frustrated here, but there are appropriate (within accepted Wikipedia discussion norms) and inappropriate ways to express that and try to make the case.

I personally agree with you on point, and all the LGBT people I know find the categorization grossly offensive, and I find its use by anti-gays to be grossly offensive. But you need to calm down some. Georgewilliamherbert 01:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

You've made it to ANI
Just to give you a heads up, your edits have been listed at the administrative notice board. Oh, and while I was here I reverted some vandalism to your userpage. No charge. Jeffpw 00:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the revert of vandalism. It is always insulting to be told things such as my wedding photograph are offensive. I'm also going to list you on the ANI, all by myself. No charge. Enzedbrit 03:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So now I have to learn the Wikipedia system so that I can search through DFFS or whatever they're called. Mate, you must have a lot of spare time on your hands.  But, as you've gone to the trouble to cite me, I'm happy to repay the favour. Enzedbrit 03:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You seem confused on a few points, Enzedbrit, so I shall clarify for you:
 * 1) I didn't list you at ANI. Dev did, after seeing your comments on another user's page. I had no interaction with Dev about your behaviour prior to your being listed there.
 * 2)*Going through a user's contributions solely to cause trouble for them, when you have no reason to believe they are anything but a user in good standing, violates WP:STALK. Posting me at ANI is also a violation of that guideline.
 * 3)You probably haven't read WP:DR, so I shall paraphrase step 2 for you: "If discussing the conflict doesn't help, disengage with that editor". That is what I shall now be doing. I advise you to do the same. Wikipedia is a very large place, and we don't need to interact. That said, if you continue in your campaign to improperly remove LGBT articles from appropriate categories, we will continue to butt heads. I think WJB said something about a Rfc on this issue, so perhaps it's better if we all let the community as a whole decide this issue. Jeffpw 09:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool head mate
Hi mate, just a note to say I think you are quite right, there's a lot of POV pushers here on Wikipedia and sometimes it's difficult to deal with them. I think there may be two reasons for the problem you are having with this child-rapist group. While it is true that many authoritarian-fundamentalist religious organisations might want to imply that the homosexual community is associated with child rapists, I think there is also another reason for the association. The child rapist organisation may see it as in their interests to try and associate themselves with a respected civil rights movement, this makes them appear less extreme, an implies that their agenda is no different to any other civil rights agenda. Ultimately they are trying ot portray themselves as a persecuted minority rather than a group of deeply emotionally disturbed individuals. Just a thought. By the way, I read your discussion and though I thought that the comment "I'm not the one sleeping with children" was probably ill-advised, I don't really see how it constitutes a personal attack. I suggest you appologise for any offense and say that you didn't intend to insult anyone. Try to keep a cool head, I know it's difficult sometimes when sensitive issues are being discussed. I have found that people with a POV to push often provoke good faith editors so they cant hen accuse them of being uncivil when they respond to the provocation. Anyway, all the best, and keep up the good work, I think you are 100% correct. Alun 06:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Blanking of your page
Hello, I don't know why a picture of two people in love with each other would be inappropriate. I undid a blanking of your user page and asked the IP who did it not to do so again per WP:NOT. Now I see you blanked the page yourself after another attack, it's your choice and I respect it. Just to let you know, if you decide to put it back, let me know, I'll put you on my watchlist and I shall do my best to revert any vandalism I see. Cheers - Myanw 08:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In spite of our differences of opinion, Enzedbrit, I think the pic on your userpage was lovely. I have reverted vandalism once, and if you decide to put it back on I will revert whenever I see it happen again. That's one of the purposes of watchlists. By the way, do also consider joining the LGBT Project. You obviously have an interest in the issues. Cheers, Jeffpw 09:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Briton
Just to tell you I have reverted your edits to Briton, the article is about citizens of the United Kingdom that includes people who where not born there. -- Barry   entretien  20:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I think that you're mistaken. The article is about the modern identity.  British citizens are covered by another article.  Even then, one should be weary about reducing the number to 60 million as there are millions more British citizens in the world than the 60 million people who reside in the United Kingdom.  As an ethnic identity, more than 100 million people are of British heritage, and not all British citizens are indigenous Britons, with about 10% having no native/first nation connection to the land at all. Enzedbrit 21:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Ah, I think I see some of the issue. Yes, indeed, the article is about the modern identity (slash ethnicity), but there are overlaps between the modern identity and British citizenship. As a modern term it is, almost intrinsically, tied with identity towards the British state - hence the ethnicity-or-not debate, about which I stand on "hell, ya, why not?" side. However, please stop confusing Briton with Brython, a people, for the sake of clarity don't you know, also called Briton. Brythons can for sure be called indigenous people. The modern identity, Briton, began as an effort to claim an affinity with those people for political gain - and hence, its linking with the modern British state from the very start - however, it ties with the ancient people are stretched at best, and out-right false if one was to be cynical.

 * There is a modern identity of a Briton but there is also an ethnic classification. It doesn't matter when one started to view the term politically and every identity is viewed anachronistically because of how meanings change.  I am not confusing Brython with Briton either.  Languages and cultures always change but that doesn't mean that ethnicity has to be redefined.  For example, if Americans all start speaking Spanish, do they have to re-examine their American ethnicity (those that regard themselves as such).  I don't believe that they do.  Because we speak a Germanic language and live in a multi-cultural Britain, why do we cease being ethnic Britons?  Why do we cease being indigenous because several thousand Angles and Saxons invaded and set up shop?  Why should only Cornish and Welsh be allowed to be indigenous because they speak the modern version of a language that was introduced by invaders from Europe 500 years before Christ, displacing the original language of the ancient Britons? Enzedbrit 23:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See the Oxford definition of Briton for more clarity. Either "a British person" or "a native of southern Britain before and during Roman times." These are two very distinct meanings. --sony-youth talk 23:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Again, a British person is what? Simply a citizen?  I'm a British person not just because it's one of my citizenships, but also because I identify as the term in an ethnic sense.  I haven't ceased to be British because I live in New Zealand, and I see no need to further identify as English or Welsh, yet even if I did, it wouldn't make me any less of a Briton as, like the majority of British people, my ancestors were the first to dwell in Britain.  Some might say 'how do you know this?', well, that argument can be applied equally to any human being, any ethnic group, so I won't need to answer that Enzedbrit 23:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

 * No, it is an identity/ethnicity/civic identity. There is a separate article about British citizenship. The Briton article does not discuss citizenship.

 * I have not doubt that you are a blood relation of one Brython or another, but you are not a Brython, those are an ancient people, you are a Briton, a modern person, and a direct ethno-cultural link does not exist between the two. (Don't let the name confuse you.) --sony-youth talk 00:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I've never claimed to be a Brython and I'm sorry if you've read me saying that I am as I could have sworn that I made it quite clear that I wasn't saying that. I'm also scratching my head at how you can imply that I'm not descended from my own ancestors.  The Brythons didn't go anywhere you realise, they just kept having children, and those children had children, and so on, and so on, and then I was born.  Along the way, some Angles, some Saxons, some Scots, some Vikings, some Normans all came along in small numbers and had children with the Brythons, then the Romano-British, then the Britons, and as a result we have about 130 million people today whose ancestory is primarily descended from the indigenous people of Britain, who are indeed ethnic Britons.  The article on Britons started off that way and has recently gone off tangent.  When I have time, I'll start a new one. Enzedbrit 02:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * In fact I said that I had no doubt that you were "descended from [your] own ancestors." Please see the article on ethnicity, I think you are confusing it with genealogy and ancestry. --sony-youth talk 08:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Although there is scope for your definition in this article, there is for mine too. It's probably best that neither of us presume to know what the other is thinking Enzedbrit 20:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, sounds fair. I think we are talking at cross purposed anyway - but with an identity/ethnicity as unusual and complicated as British this is quiet easy.

 * With a mind to a fresh start, I've moved the talk page to an archive. I've also added a todo list. I propose that this is a good way that we can both see what each other have in mind before going any further. I've added a few items to it.

 * You should also know about dave souza. He is an excellent editor I met on British Isles. Scottish, I think, but I could be wrong. UK anyway for sure. You should look him up too. I asked for his help in taking the Briton article up to a "good article" status and form there to "featured article". He said he's drop by and help where he could. I think getting a GA rating for the article and A rating for importance on the WikiProject Ethnic groups scale is an immediate task.

 * What say you? --sony-youth talk 21:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh yes, that should be good. Enzedbrit 20:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * On your user page, for your "I'm not British" box, why not add the modern flag of Northumberland, used by many as a symbol of the modern Northumbrian people too Enzedbrit 20:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Never heard of a strong Northumberland identity akin to the traditional nations. The flags there now are of the main political entities/identities today, with the exception of Cornwall which I included since it is considered by many as part of the "celtic nations" and have a long standing independent identity movement. --sony-youth talk 22:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right in that there's probably not much of a Northumberland identity akin to the home nations but there is a very strong Northumbrian/North East identity. Many people there refuse even to identify as English, and the Geordie dialect as a common name for the dialect spoken throughout the north east is regarded by many as its own language!  Cornwall is a Celtic nation indeed.  Maybe too, with future developments, Northumbria might be regarded as a Scandinavian nation with its own tartan and bagpipes - who can say. Enzedbrit 02:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Interesting. I have to say that the North-East identity is unique to England and whereas there is a fair amount of segregation between two certain major groups, we can certainly unite in agreement that we are communally as well as ethnically different to the rest of Northern England. Apologies for the late reply. gazh 23:22, 04 April 2007 (UTC)

Civil Union vs. Gay Marriage
I'm sorry, but I disagree. If a same-sex civil union was a wedding, then legally they would be called weddings and thus form a marriage. Legal battles remain to be fought over the legality of creating an institution called gay marriage in most countries and states around the world. However, at this time, most countries and states still don’t recognize something called a gay marriage. Specifically in New Zealand, there is no institution called gay marriage. Thus the image shows the legally binding definition of a “civil union” as it is defined in that country. Even the definition for “Same-sex marriage” on the Wiki site delineates the two different designations. I merely corrected a miss-definition within the caption. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mactographer (talk • contribs) 05:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

 * That's the problem. Wedding is not a legal term.  Marriage is.  Wedding is an event, etymologically attached to the term in old English which meant 'pledge'.  People can enter into a marriage or a civil union by a wedding, by signing at a registrar's office, by a small gathering that has a celebration but isn't self-classified as a wedding, etc.  Gay marriage is not legal in New Zealand but civil unions are open to same-sex couples.  If a gay couple wishes to have a wedding for their civil union, then so be it.  Wedding does not equal marriage, and vice versa.  Therefore the caption as I had it is correct: it is a same-sex wedding.  The wedding is the ceremony and civil union entered into through a wedding Enzedbrit 20:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not signing my last message. FYI, someone using an IP address removed the photo in question.  It wasn't me.  Someone else has returned it.  I won't change it further.  Appreciate your modification tho.  --Mactographer 04:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Flag-Warring
(Posted to user Mais Oui!) By your own admission, to flag war is to change flags consistently. Well, I have created 'twin town' categories now on several articles and when doing so, have used the nation state of the United Kingdom. You, a true flag-warrior, have averted them to Scotland. No doubt, you would avert others to England too. What is more, to several of these changes you have justified yourself by 'reverting' and advised not to flag-war. Now I see that you are reverting changes without any justification in the talk page or reasoning behind them, such as Scottish-Americans and Kilt. This is trolling. So, in offence at being called a troll, you now revert changes under justification that you've been called a bad name. A complaint shall be forthcoming.Enzedbrit 21:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mais ouis!
I had some problems with Mais ouis! when I wanted to change the name of the article "Population genetics of the British Isles",(here) I originally changed it to "Settlement of the British Isles (before 1066)", but somehow this offended his nationalistic sensibilities. Somehow some people get awfully offended by use of the term British. Like there aren't more important things in the world to get upset about!!! I take the attitude that petty nationalism is more to be pittied than despised. What annoyed me was the lack of any attempt to find a consensus, this is typical of the Wikipedian POV-pusher. I suggested two alternatives, "Prehistoric settlement of Great Britain and Ireland" or "Prehistoric settlement of the British Isles". Mais ouis! accepted Prehistoric settlement of Great Britain and Ireland, which was fine by me. The problem as I see it is that we need to look for a compromise. I notice that both you and Mais ouis! have accused each other of edit waring, but any edit war requires two edit warriors. I suggest that you try to find a compromise you can both live with. I suggest that, in the case of the flags for twinnig, you include both the Scottish and the Union flags. I can't help much. You could open an RfC on his behaviour, but I think you need to show that you have tried to solve the problem in a constructive way first, and I think that at the moment you are just contradicting each other. I suggest trying to find common ground, how much are you prepared to compromise? Try to find out how far he is prepared to compromise. It really is better to try to work it out rather than anything else. Try to assume good faith, here's some amusing reading relevant to assuming good faith that might help Don't be a dick, Don't be dense and Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice. Basically we are all trying to work towards the same goal, but we all see the world slightly differently, in order to reflect that we need to try to incorporate all significant points of view here, this basically means that you need to try to come to a consensus with Mais ouis! I have had problems with him as I say, but we managed to come to a solution, this can only be acheived by compromise and discussin. I suggest that you try not ot comunicate in threats, and also that you try not to communicate via edit summaries. One other thing you could try is mediation, try the more informal Mediation Cabal first. Good luck. Alun 05:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(very) Belated Congradulations
NZBrit, I very belated congrats on your wedding (as per Image:Gaywedding4.jpg). It is a great picture, capturing the affection that you have for your man, and the tenderness that is reciprocated. It doesn't matter the gender of the subjects - actually, that is mostly unimportant. The important thing is to see the love that is being shared. This picture really does show it, much better than some of the posed pictures of other weddings. I like it. A lot.... Again, congrats to you two! - NDCompuGeek 11:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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WP:CIVIL
While trawling through the recent changes, I noticed that you made what could easily be considered a rude and abrasive edit summary. While you were quite right to remove any information regarding your name, please do so in a civil manner. Thank you.--NeoNerd 11:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

 * You've got to be joking. I'll offer you the same advice should the same thing ever happen to you eh? Enzedbrit 20:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

My absurd edit
Apologies - I was posting a message to MacRusgail and had followed the thread from your dialogue with him and posted it here by mistake! Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Pollyfilla
I'm not sure anyone has bothered to inform you, but this article which you started was nominated for deletion on June 30, then relisted to get more comment. I've just added some info, in hopes of saving the article. --Ace of Swords 18:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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Arsehole
I'm a recent arrival to Wikipedia (6 months to be precise),and you my freind are the biggest arsehole I've come across. I wish I could give you a Barnstar or something for your achievement, maybe sometime in the future the world will find a use for people like you(arseholes) so we can all indulge in giving you the credit you deserve.... an Arsestar perhaps Kerronoluain 14:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

eh?Enzedbrit 00:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Alright
How do? I just wanted to say thanks for your edit on the 'Geordie' page, i've been trying to get that hideous piece of POV off the page for months, it appears your nonchalant handling of it has worked out canny, no one has reverted it back yet, cheers! Gazh 14:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Perhaps it was wrong of me to do but I'm glad that doing it has been appreciated. Nobody I know would ever take offence at being called a Geordie and I don't count the drunken banter of a few lads in a Sunderland pub as sufficient reason to put it on Wikipedia.  The whole article really doesn't sit well with me.  We're from coastal Durham and although not real Geordies, are the first to acknowledge that we all still speak Geordie. Enzedbrit 00:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

 * It difficult to explain, and the root of this definatly goes beyond a few lads in a pub. Rejection of the term Geordie is relatively new i will admit (80's), but that doesn't make it less notable, everyone under-30 born and raised in Sunderland will reject Geordie that i am 99.9% sure of, and yes it does involve football there is no getting away from that, but let's look at facts, Sunderland is a city of 180,000 people, the football team regularly fill their 49,000 stadium - 49,000 out of 180,000 is a big percentage of adult males (majority of the crowd fit into this category), and all of these would be offended if you called them a Geordie.

 * Inside of the region the word 'Geordie' has never meant 'North-east' anyway, it always meant Newcastle.. but when outsiders called us Geordies we let them for some odd reason. Even today in places like South Shields and Washington, if you talk to people about Geordies you are talking about people from Newcastle, but when spoken to by outsiders they will accept the term for themselves.

 * It just comes down to how general or specific you want to be i suppose, but in modern times some people reject the more general term, including myself and thousands like me, and because i cannot find an internet source it will be questioned, which is utter pish imo. I would love someone to come and survey the city, what a source that would be "180,000 reject geordie" - it would be great. Gazh 09:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 21:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

have you seen where bride & groom redirect to?
yeah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lue3378 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

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WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.

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Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
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We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.
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AfD nomination of GayNZ.com
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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

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Request for Comment - 'Australian Disapora'
Hello. Comments have been requested upon an article which, from your comments elsewhere I induce would interest you - Australian diaspora; if interested in participating in debate please do so at Talk:Australian diaspora. Thanks, SeventhHell (talk) 22:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Wedding photo
Your contentiously-used wedding photo appears to have been deleted. Can you re-upload it with proper sourcing? --WikidSmaht (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? Enzedbrit (talk) 08:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? Not all the uses were disputed. It was a nice picture. If you don’t want to share anymore no one is going to make you, but it was better, in my opinion, than most of the currently available same-sex wedding photos. --WikidSmaht (talk) 09:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree about its quality, but it is not my decision, sadly. Enzedbrit (talk) 18:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ??? Then whose is it? The consensus was never that it couldn’t be there, just that it needed to be sourced and tagged. Did you ask your photographer and s/he refused to allow it? Because unless that’s the case, you can freely upload it, you just need permission of whoever owns the rights to it, and to add the appropriate copyright tag. --WikidSmaht (talk) 22:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is the decision of my ex-husband Enzedbrit (talk) 03:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter (June 2009)

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Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Enzedbrit! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created  is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to insure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. if you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the article:

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Proposed deletion of Vinegar Hill, New Zealand

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 * Tagged as uncited for over 4 years; no claim of notability; no evidence that the subject meets the general notability guidelines.

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Request for Comment
Hi there-- I saw that you voiced your opinion regarding the usage of the words comedian and comedienne on Talk:Comedian. I started a Request for Comment on that talk page to sort out whether or not the word 'comedienne' should be mentioned in the first sentence of the article 'Comedian'. You can vote here. Thanks for your time! :) Newyorkadam (talk) 01:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
Hi Enzedbrit. In case you are not aware, there is an upcoming campaign to improve coverage of LGBT-related topics on Wikipedia, culminating with an international edit-a-thon on June 21. See Wiki Loves Pride 2014 for more information. If you are interested, you might consider creating a page for a major city (or cities!) near you, with a list of LGBT-related articles that need to be created or improved. This would be a tremendous help to Wikipedia and coverage of LGBT culture and history. Thanks for your consideration, and please let me know if you have any questions! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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 You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride!

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As a participant of WikiProject LGBT studies, you are invited to participate in the third annual Wiki Loves Pride campaign, which runs through the month of June. The purpose of the campaign is to create and improve content related to LGBT culture and history. How can you help?
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This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. The group's mission is to develop LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. Visit the affiliate's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome! If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's talk page.

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Queering Wikipedia 2021 User Group Working Days: May 14–16
The Wikimedia LGBTQ+ User Group is holding online working days in May. As a member of WikiProject LGBT studies, editing on LGBTQ+ issues or if you identify as part of the LGBTQ+ community, come help us set goals, develop our organisation and structures, consider how to respond to issues faced by Queer editors, and plan for the next 12 months.

We will be meeting online for 3 half-days, 14–16 May at 1400–1730 UTC. While our working language is English, we are looking to accommodate users who would prefer to participate in other languages, including translation facilities.

More information, and registration details, at QW2021 .--Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group 02:42, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

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Nebraska (song)

"Nebraska" is the title song of Bruce Springsteen's 1982 solo album. The stark, moody composition sets the tone for the LP, the content of which consists mostly of songs about criminals and desperate people, accompanied only by acoustic guitar and harmonica. The song has been covered by other artists, including Steve Earle, Chrissie Hynde, and Aoife O'Donovan.

Description
"Nebraska" is sung as a first person narrative of Charles Starkweather, who along with his teenage girlfriend Caril Ann Fugate murdered 11 people over an eight-day period in 1958. Springsteen sings of 10 deaths, as Starkweather had already killed one man prior to their meeting. The song begins with Starkweather meeting Fugate: I saw her standin' on her front lawn just a twirlin' her baton

Me and her went for a ride, sir ... and 10 innocent people died The economy of language in the opening is reminiscent of American writer Flannery O'Connor, whose work Springsteen had been reading prior to writing the songs for Nebraska. O'Connor's influence is heard throughout the song, with its confused characters who resort to violence. The song's last line, where the narrator gives his reason for the killings as "I guess there's just a meanness in this world" is similar to the ending of O'Connor's story "A Good Man Is Hard to Find", where the killer states "it's nothing for you to do but enjoy the few minutes you got left the best way you can -- by killing somebody or burning down his house or doing some other meanness to him. No pleasure but meanness." In another line from the song, the singer states that he isn't sorry for his actions and that "At least for a little while, sir, me and her we had us some fun." Springsteen has stated the last stanza, including the lines "into that great void my soul'd be hurled" and "there's just a meanness in this world" summarizes how he saw himself and all of humanity, as dogged by an existential doom.

Springsteen was inspired to write the song after seeing Terrence Malick's movie Badlands on television. The portrait in the opening lines of the girl standing on her front lawn twirling her baton was taken from the movie. He researched the Starkweather killings, including interviewing Ninette Beaver, who had written a book about the killings. Perhaps owing to artistic license, Springsteen did not create an entirely accurate account of the events. For example, Starkweather was not known to have attributed his actions to "a meanness in this world", however, many aspects of the song reflect history. The narrator hopes his "pretty baby is sittin' right there on my lap" when he is sent to the electric chair. In real life Starkweather did his best to take Fugate down with him (although she escaped execution). In a letter from prison to his parents, Starkweather wrote "But dad I'm not real sorry for what I did cause for the first time me and Caril have (sic) more fun." This is reflected in the lyrics: I can't say that I'm sorry for the things that we done

At least for a little while, sir, me and her we had us some fun Springsteen recorded the entire album on a cassette tape deck in his bedroom on Jan. 3, 1982. Although intended as a demo for the E-Street Band, producer Jon Landau felt that the song would be best served by an arrangement with an acoustic bass, brushed drums and piano. However, the arrangement did not work. Neither did full-band arrangements of other songs from the original recording. Eventually, the demo version was released.

"Nebraska" has appeared on several Springsteen releases since its initial appearance. A live version with full instrumentation appeared on Live/1975-85. In 2003, the song was included on the compilation album The Essential Bruce Springsteen. The song also appears in a segment of the video VH1 Storytellers.

Personnel
According to authors Philippe Margotin and Jean-Michel Guesdon:

 * Bruce Springsteen – vocals, guitar, harmonica, mandolin, glockenspiel

title: Nebraska (song)