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Lexington (steamship)

The Lexington was a paddlewheel steamboat operating along the Northeastern coast of the United States from 1835 to 1840. Commissioned by Cornelius Vanderbilt, it was one of the fastest and most luxurious steamers in operation.

On 13 January 1840, en route from New York City to Boston, the casing around the ship's smokestack caught fire, igniting nearly 150 bales of cotton and causing the passengers and crew to attempt to abandon ship. Of the estimated 143 people on board, only four survived. The fire had been caused by overheating, due to faulty work on converting the engine for coal-burning. This was compounded by serious errors by the crew, including violation of safety regulations, and the failure of a nearby vessel to come to the aid of the survivors.

Specifications and route
The Lexington was commissioned by Cornelius Vanderbilt in early 1834. The ship's keel was laid down at the Bishop and Simonson Shipyards in New York in September 1834. Unlike later steamboats, no detailed plans of the ship were made. Instead, a wooden model of the hull was carved and altered according to Vanderbilt's satisfaction. Using the model as a guide, full-sized outlines were then drawn in chalk on the timber to be used for the hull, which was then cut and assembled by carpenters. The engine of the Lexington was constructed at the West Point Foundry. Making use of a "walking beam" connection mechanism, activated by a 48 in steam cylinder with an 11 ft stroke, the ship's engine was one of the most efficient of its time. Measuring 207 ft in length and weighing 488 LT, the Lexington was also one of the most luxuriously outfitted steamers on its route, incorporating ornate teak deck railings, cabin doors, staircases, and panelling; a large cabin including both a lounge and a dining saloon; and elegant deck lighting, curtains, and furniture.

The Lexington began service as a day boat between New York City and Providence, Rhode Island in 1835. The ship began service to Stonington, Connecticut, the terminus of the newly built railroad from Boston, in 1837. She was sold to the New Jersey Steamship Navigation and Transportation Company in December 1838 for around US$60,000. From 1835 to 1840, the Lexington was the fastest vessel en route from New York City to Boston.

Fire and wreck
The Lexington left its pier on Manhattan's East River at 4:00 p.m. on January 13, 1840, bound for Stonington, Connecticut, the terminus of the newly built railroad from Boston. She was carrying 143 passengers and crew and a cargo of 150 bales of cotton. The ship was expected to arrive in Stonington the following morning in time to meet the train that connected with Boston.

The ship's usual captain, Jacob Vanderbilt (the brother of Cornelius), could not make the voyage owing to illness, and was replaced by veteran Captain George Child.

At 7:30 p.m., the ship's first mate noticed that the woodwork and casings about the smokestack were on fire. The ship was four miles off Eaton's Neck on the north shore of Long Island. Crew members used buckets and boxes to throw water on the flames, as well as a small, hand-pumped fire engine. Once it was apparent that the fire could not be extinguished, the ship's three lifeboats were prepared for launch. The ship's paddlewheel was still churning at full speed, since crewmen could not reach the engine room to shut off the boilers. The first boat was sucked into the wheel, killing its occupants. Captain Child had fallen into the lifeboat and was among those killed. The ropes used to lower the other two boats were cut incorrectly, causing the boats to hit the water stern-first. Both boats promptly sank.

Pilot Stephen Manchester turned the ship toward the shore in hopes of beaching it. The drive-rope that controlled the rudder quickly burned through, and the engine stopped two miles from shore. The ship, out of control, drifted northeast, away from land.

The ship's cargo of cotton ignited quickly, causing the fire to spread from the smokestack to the entire superstructure. Passengers and crew threw empty baggage containers and bales of cotton into the water to be used as rafts. The center of the main deck collapsed shortly after 8:00 p.m.

The fire spread to such an extent that most of the passengers and crew were forced to jump into the frigid water by midnight. Those who had nothing to climb onto quickly succumbed to hypothermia. The ship was still burning when it sank at 3:00 a.m.

According to legend, poet Henry Wadsworth Longfellow was scheduled to travel on the Lexington's fatal voyage, but missed it due to discussing the merits of a recent poem, The Wreck of the Hesperus, with a publisher. The poem also included a ship sinking.

One of the passengers who was lost in the catastrophe was the noted radical minister and abolitionist Karl Follen (1796–1840).

The disaster was depicted in a celebrated colored lithograph by Currier and Ives, and was their first major-selling print. A black-and-white lithograph was also produced from an eyewitness account.

Survivors
Of the 143 people on board the Lexington, only four survived:

Chester Hilliard, 24, the only passenger to survive, had helped crew members throw bales of cotton to people in the water. He climbed onto the last bale at 8:00 p.m., along with ship's fireman Benjamin Cox. About eight hours later, Cox, weak from hypothermia, fell off the bale and drowned. At 11:00 a.m., Hilliard was rescued by the sloop Merchant.

Stephen Manchester, the ship's pilot. He and about 30 others huddled at the bow of the ship until about midnight, when the flames closed in on them. Shortly after he stepped onto a makeshift raft with several passengers, the raft sank. He then climbed onto a bale of cotton with a passenger named Peter McKenna. Three hours later, McKenna died of exposure. Manchester was rescued by the sloop Merchant at noon.

Charles Smith, one of the ship's firemen, descended the stern of the ship and clung to the ship's rudder along with four other people. The five dove into the sea just before the ship sank, around 3:00 a.m., and climbed onto a floating piece of the paddlewheel. The other four men died of exposure during the night, and Smith was rescued by the sloop Merchant at 2:00 the following afternoon.

David Crowley, the second mate, drifted for 43 hours on a bale of cotton, coming ashore 50 miles east, at Baiting Hollow, Long Island. Weak, dehydrated and suffering from exposure, he staggered a mile to the house of Matthias and Mary Hutchinson, and collapsed after knocking on the door. A doctor was immediately summoned, and once well enough, Crowley was taken to Riverhead, where he recovered.

Inquest
An inquest jury found a fatal flaw in the ship's design to be the primary cause of the fire. The ship's boilers were originally built to burn wood, but were converted to burn coal in 1839. This conversion had not been properly completed. Not only did coal burn hotter than wood, but extra coal was being burned on the night of the fire because of rough seas. A spark from the over-heated smokestack set the stack's casing ablaze on the freight deck. The fire then spread to the bales of cotton, which were stored improperly close to the stack.

Previous, smaller fires that had occurred due to the design flaw had been extinguished; however, nothing had been done to correct the problem.

The jury also found crewmen's mistakes and violation of safety regulations to be at fault. Hilliard testified that once crew members noticed the fire, they went below deck to check the engines before attempting to fight the blaze. The jury believed that the fire could have been extinguished if the crew had acted immediately. Also, not all of the ship's fire buckets could be found during the fire. Only about 20 of the passengers were able to locate life preservers. The crew members were also careless in launching the lifeboats, all of which sank.

The sloop Improvement, which had been less than five miles from the burning ship, never came to the Lexington's aid. Captain William Tirrell of the Improvement explained that he was running on a schedule; he did not attempt a rescue because he didn’t want to miss the high tide. The public became furious at this excuse, and Tirrell was attacked by the press in the days following the disaster.

Ultimately, no legislation was passed by the U.S. government in the wake of the tragedy, though critic John Neal issued a call for better construction and operation practices in the New York Evening Signal. It was not until the steamboat Henry Clay burned on the Hudson River 12 years later that new safety regulations were imposed.

The Lexington fire remains Long Island Sound's worst steamboat disaster. One hundred thirty-nine of the 143 aboard perished.

Salvage attempts
An attempt was made to raise the Lexington in 1842. The ship was brought to the surface briefly, and a 30-pound (14 kg) mass of melted silver was recovered from the hull. The chains supporting the hull snapped, and the ship broke apart and sank back to the bottom of Long Island Sound.

Today, the Lexington sits in 140 feet of water, broken into three sections. There is allegedly still gold and silver that has not been recovered. Adolphus S. Harnden of the Boston and New York Express Package Car Office had reportedly been carrying $18,000 in gold and silver coins and $80,000 in paper money at the time of the sinking. The silver recovered in 1842 would have accounted for about $500 of the reported loss.

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Hello Brendan. I am a journalist with The Sunday Times in Perth. I am writing a story about MPs' Wikipedia entries, and noticed your sterling work in fixing vandalism on Matt Birney's entry. May I please ask you a couple of questions? Davidcohen (talk) 06:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Brendan. How is it you're able to detect vandalism so quickly? Why do you do it? Do you think politicians' staffers should also do it? Why do people vandalise Wikipedia entries? (it seems such a waste of time and energy!). Why do some politicians have entries, and some do not? Thank you! Davidcohen (talk) 02:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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List of people on the postage stamps of Latvia

This article contains a list of people depicted on postage stamps issued by Latvia, along with the dates of issue.

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 * Gunārs Astra - dissident, human rights activist (October 22, 2005)

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 * Kārlis Baumanis - composer (May 21, 2005)
 * Jānis Balodis - general, Commander of the Aizsargi units (May 12, 1932; November 18, 1938)

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 * Jānis Čakste - first president of the Republic of Latvia (December 4, 1930; August 19, 1931; April 18, 1928; November 11, 1998)
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 * Leonardo da Vinci - Italian polymath (December 7, 1932)
 * Daumants Dreiškens - bobsledder (July 3, 2014)
 * Martins Dukurs - skeleton sledder (July 3, 2014)

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 * Hieronīms Kārlis Fridrihs Fon Minhauzens - baron and author (April 1, 2005)

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 * Inese Jaunzeme - athlete (June 19, 1996)
 * Jānis Pāvils II - Roman Catholic Pope (August 28, 1993; August 14, 2005)

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 * Oskars Kalpaks - first Commander in Chief of Latvian Armed Forces (January 6, 2007)
 * Jēkabs Ketlers - Duke of the Duchy of Courland and Semigallia (November 14, 2001)
 * Miķelis Krogzems - (January 4, 1936)
 * Atis Kronvalds - (January 4, 1936)
 * Dainis Kūla - athlete (June 19, 1996)
 * Alberts Kviesis - third president of the Republic of Latvia (December 4, 1930; August 19, 1931; November 11, 2000)

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 * Jānis Lūsis - athlete (June 19, 1996)

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 * Zigfrīds Anna Meierovics - politician, first minister of foreign affairs (August 20, 1929)
 * Oskars Melbārdis - bobsledder (July 3, 2014)

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 * Andrejs Pumpurs - poet (January 4, 1936)

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Osceola Parkway

Osceola Parkway, signed as County Road 522 (CR 522) since around 2003 (and originally planned as State Road 424), is a 17.5 mi, partially tolled arterial road extending east–west across the northern boundary of Osceola County, Florida, roughly paralleling the border with Orange County. It connects Walt Disney World with Interstate 4 and Florida's Turnpike before terminating at Simpson Road (formerly Boggy Creek Road) near Buenaventura Lakes, and is maintained by Osceola County. Only the section between the Southern Connector and a toll plaza east of Shingle Creek is tolled; the rest includes mainly at-grade intersections. A portion of the Osceola Parkway was once called Dart Boulevard.

Route description
The road starts at an intersection with an entrance road to the Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge in Lake Buena Vista. For its westernmost 0.4 mi, it has many characteristics of an at-grade boulevard; however, east of the entrance to Disney's Animal Kingdom, it becomes a grade-separated expressway. Heading east, the parkway passes through several sections of the Disney World Complex before intersecting with World Drive and crossing into Osceola County. The parkway exits Walt Disney World, just before an interchange with I-4. Although Osceola Parkway was built across I-4 into Walt Disney World, an interchange with that freeway (Exit 65) did not open until 2001. The ramps with the exit to nearby SR 536 are interspersed such that traffic going on to I-4 from SR 536 cannot directly exit onto Osceola Parkway, and vice versa. The road then has an interchange with SR 417 (Southern Connector), where the Parkway becomes a limited access toll road (although not a full expressway). The parkway passes through residential areas, passing through an interchange with Poinciana Blvd., featuring ramp tolls of $1.00 for eastbound exiting traffic and westbound entering traffic. East of the interchange, Osceola Parkway crosses the one mainline toll plaza just east of Shingle Creek, with a $2.00 toll as of January 2020.

East of the toll plaza, the tolled section of the parkway ends as it becomes a surface street, as it continues to pass through residential and shopping areas with at grade intersections, most notably with John Young Parkway and US 17/US 92/US 441 (Orange Blossom Trail) as the road heads towards Florida's Turnpike. East of the Turnpike, the road continues as a four lane street through another residential development until its terminus at Simpson Road, near Buenaventura Lakes. Simpson Road was known as Boggy Creek Road until September 2014, which removed the unusual situation of having a three way intersection with all three roads having the same name.

The Parkway originally used an electronic toll collection system known as O-PASS, however the county elected to discontinue its own toll collection program and instead contracted with the Orlando–Orange County Expressway Authority (OOCEA) to provide that service, so the O-PASS system was merged with the E-PASS system. The Osceola Parkway also accepts SunPass accounts which are run by the Florida Department of Transportation and are accepted on most toll roads throughout the State of Florida.

History
The road originally opened as Dart Boulevard on June 16, 1987 as a two-mile stretch between U.S. Highway 441 and Buenaventura Boulevard. During the early 1990s, Disney World and Osceola County officials extended and upgraded the road to its current 12.4 mi parkway form, widened the lanes from two to four and added an interchange with Florida's Turnpike, with the highway opening on August 18, 1995.

A $19.2 million project has begun to widen 2.66 mi of Osceola Parkway from two to four lanes between the intersections of Buenaventura Boulevard and Simpson Road from Myers Road to 600 ft north of Osceola Parkway. The date of substantial completion for the second phase of work on the east-west road is April 1, 2015.

Future
The Osceola County Expressway Authority is planning an easterly extension as part of the Osceola County Beltway System. Following a 2012 feasibility study and a March 2013 public meeting, the project team decided on an alignment along the county line, either leaving the current roadway east of Windy Cove Drive (Bridgewater subdivision) or following the current roadway to its end at Simpson Road and curving northeast there. A spur would extend north to SR 417 near Orlando International Airport.

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Saint-Raymond, Quebec Logo obtained from the city's website http://www.ville.st-raymond.qc.ca

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Talk:American Numismatic Association

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The article's inclusion of extensive lists of ANA presidents, convention locations, and Hall of Fame inductees is a blatant violation of What Wikipedia is not. However, I do not have the heart to delete the lists because somebody went to the immense trouble to add them. Nonetheless, their presence makes the article tedious to read and navigate through. I suspect that a more ruthless editor will eventually remove this unneeded trivia.--R&BpopROCK (talk) 22:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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The Numismatist
Is there a person having online access to this publication.--Antemister (talk) 13:23, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Why? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:48, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I am looking from an article from that publication that is not available here in Germany. Metal and Paper Currencies of the Americas, published in 1932, Issue 4 and 5. And as I assumed that there might be a person reading that talk page with access to the journal, I placed the request here.--Antemister (talk) 21:52, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. I don't know if the online access goes back to 1932. Ping me again in seven days if I don't contact you sooner. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:59, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Membership
The information in the "Membership" section, although likely inadvertent, travels far into advertisement and promotionalism. Wikipedia is not a trade magazine, the cost of membership can change, and is not encyclopedic information.

I tried to re-write the membership section by eliminating the costs and editing the information. I do think the list of presidents should be kept in but it has been divided into three columns so it reads better and isn't as long. --Coingeek (talk) 04:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandler Jewish Celebrities

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was redirect. — Xezbeth 19:53, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Sandler Jewish Celebrities
Orphaned article with no explanation, seems to be a list of people in some Adam Sandler song. In any event completely nonencyclopedic. NTK 05:21, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. A nonesensical list, but why? El_C 06:41, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not encyclopaedic. Megan1967 07:34, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Chanukah Song, which fairly duplicates this list. Redirects are cheap and fun. -- 8^D gab 13:11, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)
 * Why bother with a redirect? Nobody is going to explicitly enter the exact phrase "Sandler Jewish Celebrities" trying to find this song, and nothing links to this article. What is "fun" about a worthless redirect?  NTK 00:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * You are quite correct! I'm changing my vote. Master Thief Garrett 03:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Redirect to The Chanukah Song. No need to merge.--Irishpunktom\talk 14:44, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Chanukah Song. That page explains much better what this is all about. - Marcika 23:30, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Chanukah Song. That page explains much better what this is all about. Master Thief Garrett 03:02, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) Delete, as per NTK. Master Thief Garrett 03:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Sultan Bahu

Wrong Tag
This Article is 14 years and 15 days old, many wikipedian edit this Article,Proper reliable Published Books and Web citations sources are in Article.How you can say that this Article is confusing or unclear, kindly clearly mention which part or sentence is  confusing or unclear  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrashid364 (talk • contribs) 07:27, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Run a spell check on your writing above to understand what I mean. One that would also include capitalisation and punctuation.  kashmiri TALK  19:48, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

POV Issues
If you're going to edit Wikipedia you have to understand that there's a policy of neutral point of view. If there's two differing points of view then we present both. The main page is not the place to argue over the facts, that's what the talk page is for. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Calibas (talk • contribs) 06:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Name Language
The name"Hazrat Sultan Bahu is written in Urdu but it says Punjabi which is Wrong someone please change it as I dont know how to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.64.67 (talk) 14:49, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

 * The Punjabi language is written in two alternate scripts, Gurmukhi and Shahmukhi; the Shahmukhi script is the same script that is used for Urdu. So what the article says is not wrong. --Sarabseth (talk) 12:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Confusing
If someone asks why I restore the "Confusing" tag to this article, I'd suggest them to try to understand this:

"It is also said that Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani ordered Hazrat Sakhi Sultan Bahoo/Bahu, after completing his inward training, to swear allegiance upon the hands of Syed Abdul Rehman Jilani Dehlvi. Sultan-ul-Arifeen immediately set for Dehli to obey this order. Sultan-ul-Arifeen met Shaikh Abdul Rehman Jilani on Friday, 29 Ziqa'ad 1078 Hijri (11 May 1668). The Shaikh took him in privacy. Sultan-ul-Arifeen received his eternal destiny in the form of Ism-e-Allah Zaat in only one meeting with his Murshid. He found everything he wanted and returned replete and brimful with the emotions to benefit people with this favour and benevolence. Further, Sultan-ul-Arifeen spent all his life wandering in streets and cities searching for the Seekers of Allah and taking them to the Divine Oneness, as he was ordered from the court of Muhammad to do the duty of guiding people towards God"

Good luck!  kashmiri TALK  22:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Not Confusing This information that you've written is present in most of the books that have been written on Sultan Bahu. Many of them have been mentioned in detail within the article as well such as Manaqib-i-Sultani, Mirat-e-Sultani, Sultan Bahu Life and Work,Sultan Bahoo The Life and Teachings, Shams ul Fuqara, etc. I have personally read a few of them and the information exists in these books as well. The sources are various but the information is the same.

JugniSQ (talk) 06:08, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Can't you see that that's not English? At least not its understandable variety? There is hardly any grammar and nil logics?  kashmiri TALK  11:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

There are no grammar mistakes or nil logics and I gave u book names to clear ur confusion. I don't want to talk to you.i don't see any point

JugniSQ (talk) 04:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

The word 'bahoo' is an Arabic word so I have changed it from Punjabi to Arabic. In Arabic, 'ba' means 'with' and 'hoo' means 'God'... You can confirm by the book given above. I made this change before but you reverted it.

JugniSQ (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

 * This is a person's name, we are not running a linguistic analysis in the lead section - if you wish you can add Etymology section below. The lead section may include spelling in the original language of the person. Sultan Bahu was a Punjabi, he spoke Punjabi and Farsi, so his spelling follows Punjabi/Farsi. As I said, if you want to have etymology and Arabic origins of his name mentioned in the article, it can be included below.  kashmiri TALK  12:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

 * As an aside, "bahoo" is NOT Arabic. An Arabic term for "with" is "bi" (among other possible terms) and "he/him" is "huwa" which is shortened to "hu" if it's at the end of the sentence. "Hu" is NOT a name of God in Arabic for any religion Arabs follow, be it Arab Muslims, Arab Christians or Arab Jews. Also, if the pronoun "huwa" is preceded by a kasra ("ee" sound) then it also takes that sound ("hi/hee"), so "bihuwa" is literally impossible in every single dialect of the language that has ever existed. "Bihi/Beehee" is possible, but not ever "bahoo." Perhaps it is originally some local language other than Urdu. It is NOT from any verifiable dialect of Arabic that has ever existed in the history of Arabs. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

 * "With God" is then another example of folk etymology which is so incredibly common on the Subcontinent... Thanks for explanation. I had already removed this from the article anyway.  kashmiri TALK  08:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

The name “Bahoo” itself is an Arabic word. However, the saint Sultan Bahoo himself was a Punjabi having been born in Shorekot, Jhang which is a part of the rural Punjab. And yes all his poetry is In Persian. This being said, the name “bahoo” is an Arabic word. The name and the person are two different things. Most Pakistani people have Arabic names for example like Abdul Hameed, Karimullah, etc. These ‘names’ are Arabic but ‘people’ are Punjabi. So that’s the point for replacing Arabic with Punjabi in the article.

Hoo is derived from the Ism(name) of Allah(Allah itself a purely Arabic word). If you divide the word 'Allah' in 4 parts it is : Allah, Lilah, Lahoo and Hoo. This is Arabic. Hoo in itself is the highest station of annihilation in Sufism. Hence proven "bahoo' is an Arabic word meaning 'with Hoo'(with Allah). Plz study the books of Sultan Bahoo first and then edit this article. You are constantly editing this article without reading the books related to Sultan Bahoo’s life or history.

In all of the books written on Sultan bahoo, his date of birth remains constant which is Thursday 1st Jamadi-us-Sani 1039 Hijri/17th January 1630 at Fajr time and this consensus of opinion has been written in [Sultan Bahoo: The Life and Teachings 978-969-9795-18-3] which is the reason I point to this book. I advise that kindly read Sultan Bahoo's books first and then edit this article. Otherwise the information you or anyone would edit based on personal knowledge would not remain authentic.

There is no logical editor on this forum. The existing editors have not read any books on Sultan Bahu. You guys are very powerful and I do not want to interfere into this argument anymore as you guys have already blocked many editors on this page n related articles. Do what you want to do but your arguments are illogical. I will wait to contribute till a logical editor comes up from Wikipedia. As this page is becoming a mess.

Arrogance always loses in front of Truth.

I put my Trust in Allah.

JugniSQ (talk) 08:38, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

 * First of all, be kind enough to use WP:INDENTATION in a discussion. Then, I believe you are replying to a native Arabic speaker. Third, your pseudo-linguistic speculations about letters in "bahu" have nothing to do with language science. Fourth, if you'll keep promoting this publishing house you risk discretionary sanctions.  kashmiri TALK  09:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

 * This is bad comedy., you literally don't know anything about Arabic at all. The mere fact that you seem to think that "lahoo" (for him) is a name of God proves that entering into a discussion with you is a waste of time.
 * , I'm actually a native English speaker and not of Arab ethnicity, but have worked professionally as a translator for academic publications as well as helped here with Wikipedia translating. If this guy makes any edits based on the fact that he doesn't know Arabic, I'll revert him without any discussion at all. If he has a problem, he can bring it to noticeboards but he is guaranteed to lose as places like WP:AN tend to ping me for Arabic translation due to my work with translation Wiki templates and stuff in the past and the regulars there know that I know what I'm talking about. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

No knowledge and Tasawwuf and Sufism
User:kashmiri and User:MezzoMezzo you both have no knowledge regarding Sufism and Mysticism. In English, ‘Hu’ or ‘Hoo’ is the name of God. Please see the link to clarify doubts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hu_on_Gravestone.jpg

Al-Shaykh al-Akbar Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi says in Fatoohat-e-Makkia (part II):

“Hoo is the extreme and most elevated Zikr of Arifeen(knowers of Allah)..”

If we assume that Hamza Makhdoom was Sultan-ul-Arifeen, didn’t he possess knowledge regarding Hoo or Hu? If you do not have knowledge, then surely, he also had none. So how can he be Sultan-ul-Arifeen or the King of Arifeen?

This is quite paradoxical: On one side, you call Hamza Makhdoom as Sultan-ul-Arifeen, but where is the zikr of Hoo through which a person becomes “fana-fi-Hoo” and ultimately gets the title of Sultan-ul-Arifeen? You refuse to understand that this name ‘Hoo’ is the name of Allah. Certainly, your argument has no weight and no proof which would prove your point valid. On a platform like Wikipedia, you both editors are clearly misguiding readers. If you do not have sound knowledge about a certain field then why are you so inclined upon editing such articles which are related to that field which in this case is Sufism. I strongly advise you to first read and then comment.

You have placed AfD on Hazrat Sultan Bahu’s page but he is not dependent upon it. He is beyond all this. Far more elevated.

W.white273 (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Keep the page
He is a great Sufi poet and writer in Punjab, Pakistan. Admin can suggest improvements, but deleting the page is not appropriate. I can help to put references and reliable sources about his work. He was the disciple of the Qadri Sufi Order and started the new Sufi Order named Sarwari Qadri. His followers are in hundreds of thousands an increasing day by day. Here are few reliable references where we can see his work. ---------Leotassawer (talk) 09:17, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2015
correction of spelling Abiyaat.Correct spelling is Abyat.

Abiyaat-e-Bahoo is not correct spelling.Correct spelling is Abyat-e-Bahoo.Please check in google search for verification.Markangle11 (talk) 07:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC) Markangle11 (talk) 07:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 02:16, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism
This is with reference to the recent edits to this article since 22nd October 2015. Please refrain from removing large amount of content from articles without first discussing it here on the talk page and reaching a consensus as such edits are taken to be vandalism.Markangle11 (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

 * So you are back from sockpuppet block, again inserting promotional links to your "Sultan ul Faqr" website and pushing this boring "Sultan-ul-Arifeen" title, referenced only to your own website?  kashmiri TALK  16:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Pardon? what are you saying? Your statement makes no sense at all. Markangle11 (talk) 14:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

 * ,, , , , .... Enough?  kashmiri TALK  21:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

 * He hasn't been blocked, what sockpuppet are you talking about? — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 22:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

 * That's a long story, stretching nearly a year. I'll tell you because you seem to be new here (no offence!). They are folks of a certain faith group promoting their publishing arm Sultan ul Faqr Publications, its website and books, and using a large herd of socks for the purpose. You can take a look here: . If you run wiki search for "sultan ul faqr", you will see their scope of interest and the type of edits they make. This article seems to be their primary focus (as is the title "sultan ul arifeen") - at one point they even created a long duplicate article on Sultan Bahu under a modified name! I don't have the link right now but The duplicate article was sultan ul arifeen and I was shocked when it dawned upon me how a just a few editors were able to flood Wikipedia with their promotional stuff - going almost undetected....  kashmiri TALK  00:14, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Look at the nominator of Articles for deletion/Sultan ul Faqr Publications and Articles for deletion/Mahnama Sultan ul Faqr Lahore, that's me. There seemed to be some possible socking going on there too (User:Demington). You're right, there seems to be some concerted effort to promote this group. It's high time for Markangle11 to adhere to the Terms of Service and disclose his conflict of interest. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 09:35, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Ah, yes, so you have also seen it yourself. I had a wikibreak over summer and missed their renewed efforts. But I saw quite a few accounts actively editing the target 5-6 articles and created over summer. Pity some folks treat Wikipedia as free advertising or a popularity-building platform.  kashmiri TALK  12:12, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Well this is a spectacular and complicated mess.I think your last SPI closed because you failed to provide evidence to your false assumptions. Wikipedia can never be used as a platform for promotion which is exactly the reason why all the content here is backed by sources. By removing both the content and sources, you are only imposing your own POV because history of this article reveals you have been in the habit of vandalism with regard to this article. You re clearly escalating to a personal issue and reverting edits that has got nothing to do with Wikipedia's norms. I hav restored the previous version. The restored content complies with both WP:THIRDPARTY as well as WP:RELIABLE SOURCE. Please assume good faith and leave behind this battleground mentality so as editors, our focus should be on improving the article and not to vandalise or disrupt it.Markangle11 (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Inaccurate accusations of vandalism are basically personal attacks, which you know aren't allowed here. WP:Vandalism explains how we define "vandalism" here. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 18:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

 * What you and a host of (now mostly blocked as socks) editors have been doing is spamming Wikipedia with references to books by some Mohammad Najib ur-Rahman, head of a religious sect in Lahore, published by his own "Sultan ul Faqr Publications"   (as well as under Sufi texts); along with tens of similar spam edits by user Pixarh. See, with due respect but Mohammad Najib ur-Rahman is not an academic researcher nor his printing house is an academic publisher. His books are based not on academic knowledge but on religious tradition and thus can NOT be considered reliable sources for an encyclopaedia. Over the last weeks, I have removed most of the instances they were spammingly added as reference, bare a few artciles where I felt they could be acceptable and remain. I will be grateful if you folks cease adding unnecessary work to me and other editors who, in line with WP:NPOV, are trying to keeping check on the sect's Wikipedia spam. Please!  kashmiri  TALK  19:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Accusing me of SPI without providing any diffs and failing the investigation. and then accusing me again to be associated to another editor. If this isnt personal attack then what is it? You cant create your own definition of reliable sources for Wikipedia. No matter what the book is based on, it is nonetheless a reliable source and you cannot deny that. The WP:RS}reliable sources "depend on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content." The book you are pointing out is a third-party source because the author of the book is not Sultan Bahu so it is not a self-published source either. Markangle11 (talk) 17:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Not a self-published source??? This was the best joke of today. Ok, bro, go to www.sultanulfaqrpublications.com and click on "About us" in the main menu. Now read carefully the page that opens. Pay specific attention to person names please. Now go back to the books you keep adding to Wikipedia and crosscheck their author with the publisher. Easy?
 * BTW, I did not write that you did sockpuppetry. kashmiri  TALK  19:26, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

So??? The article is about Sultan Bahoo. It is a third-party source because it is not written by Sultan Bahoo himself. Of course you did accuse me. :You asked me above "So you are back from sockpuppet block.." and then add my name to your SPI. What else is it but a personal attack? Re-read your statements above. Markangle11 (talk) 14:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC) You cannot remove content from articles because that falls under disruptive editing.Markangle11 (talk) 14:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Not being written by Sultan Bahoo himself doesn't automagically make it a reliable source. Self-published sources written by people who aren't recognised experts (a simple rule-of-thumb would be that people who don't have a well sourced article about themselves here aren't recognised experts...) within a certain field aren't reliable sources by Wikipedia's standards, and can't be used as references. Thomas.W talk 15:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Basically you are saying that every source in every Wikipedia article has an author who has a Wikipedia article!!! Thomas, I am so embarrassed for you because this is so not the case. In this article for example, of the 6 sources given, only 3 have authors with a Wikipedia article of their own. This can nver be the bases of reliability of a source. The reliability is judged within a certain field and the source removed by the editors above, "Sultan Bahoo The Life and Teachings" is written by an author who has command over the teachings of Sultan Bahoo. That is why the source is reliable and makes total sense here. Please use policy based answers to prove your words. Your words made no sense at all. Also you are removing content of the article without any reason which is part of disruptive editing as already explained so do not revert unless you have a good reason to do so. Markangle11 (talk) 16:00, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

 * The problem is, you keep pushing links to self-published sources - books by a local guru called Najibur Rehman, the leader of a religious sect in Lahore, printed by his own publishing house, as well as to the sect's websites. You've added them to at least 20 articles, which is the majority of those you edited, despite other editors consistently removing them. Such behaviour falls under citation spam and may result in sanctions. I also encourage you to check out WP:DISRUPTIVE. Regards, kashmiri  TALK  20:45, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Rather than answering to my statement above, you are only proving your COI and bias in terms of sourcing.Markangle11 (talk) 18:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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