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Talk:Around the Horn

old comments
Changed the fact that winners dont get 40 seconds. That might have happened a few times but Adande got 20 seconds today.

Recommendation to add to guest panelist list: Dan Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe has been on their AT LEAST once, though I can not find a link to prove this, I know I have seen him on there.

Recommendations to change Michael A. Smith's link to since it now links to the guy who spat in Jane Fonda's face?
 * Done and done. I used Michael Smith (sports reporter) to correspond to the link on the disambiguation page. ESkog 17:49, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone else think this show is rigged?

 * The showdown is often rigged in the interests of time. I've heard Tony say "Good point, but I need a sweep because we're out of time..."  Sympleko ( Συμπλεκω ) 16:26, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Disambguation
I can think of other instances of Around the Horn:

 * The baseball term: going from third to second to first as in a 5-4-3 double play (on which the name of th show is no doubt based)
 * The navigational term: going from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean around Cape Horn (on which the baseball term is no doubt based)

Neither of these has an article right now, but isn't a DA page warranted? Sympleko ( Συμπλεκω ) 17:00, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Old Format
Does anyone remember when this show first started that it had a much different format. Every panelist stayed on until the very end and then they all got face time. I don't quite remember exactly how it worked because quite frankly the show was awful with that format and I almost never watched it.

Yes I remember it.

The old format went something like this: Mutes were worth -3 (or was it -5?), and Max gave many more points for a topic (5-8'ish), but muted people more often which often resulted in massively negative scroes, usually for Woody. The rounds were also called different names, although I don't recall what they were. People weren't kicked off, but at the end of the game the top 3 people got face time, one second for each point they had amassed (as well as a medal). The fourth place person would be introduced as getting face time and would be promptly muted when they started to speak.

Overall I was a big fan of the old format and never have truly liked the new one.

I also remember people asking the voice over the loud speaker??? to be added points for various reasons. Also I think they sometimes changed the amount of face time for time reasons.--Skroha 22:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Baseball reference
Isn't "Around the Horn" a baseball reference of some sort? Specifically, after a strikeout or groundout, the ball is passed around the infielders until it gets back to the pitcher, and this was called passing it "around the horn." Or am I shockingly mistaken? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 22:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I was wondering why it was called this, and is it a reference to Cape Horn ("round the horn" being a common expression in sailing)? — Johan the Ghost seance 00:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No it is not a sailing reference. The term around the horn does come from baseball. Often, after a strikeout, each of the four infielders will throw the ball amongst themselves. Similarly, each of the four commentators on the show throw topics around amongst themselves. Notecardforfree 21:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

All Time Wins
Is it possible for the all time wins list to be updated? If it's possible to be updated now, I will try my best to update it daily. AWBricker 16:34, 11 April 2006 (CT)

Showdown
Does anyone know whether the panelist have preplanned which sides they will be on during the showdown?--Skroha 22:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I think this happens a lot, but I doubt it's an every-topic-during-every-Showdown type of thing. For example, there was one topic a couple of days ago (it was Monday, but I can't remember who was in the Showdown) where both panelists agreed. I absolutely do think the preplanning does occur rather frequently, since there are few times when the panelists actually do agree, and because there are some topics in which I simply can't imagine either panelist taking a particular side. -- Kicking222 16:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Jay Mariotti article
I thought this was the best place to ask this question. What happened to the Jay Mariotti article. I know he isn't exactly the most liked person around, but did something happen that warranted the deletion of his article? ErikNY 19:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

A cancelled win.
I remember one incident (it couldn't have been too long ago if i remember it) where Reali muted somebody during their face time and gave the other panelist the win instead for talking about NASCAR. Does anybody else recall this, and it should be added if I'm not insane. --TopGear 23:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it was definitely Tim Cowlishaw talking about NASCAR, and I believe Reali gave the win to Bill Plaschke. You could probably find more information about it in the ATH Yahoo group that is listed on the article page; just search for some key words. Bmitchelf 05:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Running gags its own page now
Like PTI, the Running Gags was getting massive, so it deserves its own page -- it can be found here: Running gags on Around the Horn. JAF1970 05:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Umm... that page is deleted.TimHowardII (talk) 02:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No kidding; that's what the red link means. -- bmitchelf•T•F 15:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Win counts/percentages
What is the source for this? Is someone updating the page after every show? As it stands, all of this info (unless it's included in one of the external links, in which case, that should be noted in the article) is completely unverified. -- Kicking222 22:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not being updated after every show, but no less than every few shows. I believe some of the information can be found at the Around The Horn Yahoo group. It's almost like saying the episode count is unverified since shows like this one do not keep track of their episodes, except internally at ESPN. bmitchelf•T•F 21:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, appearance counts are off by a few and win counts are off by three right now, so this must be fixed. It was correct last time I check a few months ago. bmitchelf•T•F 21:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Featured article status
it seems that it's been cleaned up a bit and isn't just a bunch of lists any more. how does one go about nominating this for featured status? Skhatri2005 19:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Why don't we start a little smaller and see if it can pass GA first, I just nominated it, but I am betting its not ready yet, but with the comments back from it can be made GA. EnsRedShirt 12:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Tables
I put the panelists into a table. If it's unliked then I'm completely fine with someone reverting it. I will go ahead and place the stats into boxes, too. Unless someone objects. Chickenmonkey 05:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Added the wins tables, too. Will add other stats now.
 * The only table that doesn't look good is the one for the panelists because of the different lengths of the columns making it look messy. I think that section would be best served as lists. However, I like your idea of tables for the statistics! Thanks for the good work. bmitchelf•T•F 06:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. I thought the panelists table might be over complicated, anyway, and you're right, the uneven columns was messy.Chickenmonkey 06:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Finished placing stats into tables. I'm sure there's a way to put the tables next to each other, but I'm not good with alignment. So, someone else could do that or it could be left as is. Chickenmonkey 06:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

In the "Wins by City" table, is the amount each panelist has won really neccessary? The same information can be found right above in the "All-time wins" table. Chickenmonkey 22:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Bjewiki 17:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA nomination
This article failed its good article nomination. This is how the article compares against the six good article criteria:

 * 1. Well written?: The article has a good intro, but other sections need expansion or cleanup. The Rounds section should be elaborated on with more detail for the various rounds. For example the "The First Word" could be fixed up with some examples. I would recommend working on improving statements such as "Reali is now much stingier in awarding points."

 * 2. Factually accurate?: There are no references, so nothing can be verified to accurate. I know there are fans of the show that contribute details about the scores and various inside jokes, but these can be cited by the appropriate episode and outside sources.

 * 3. Broad in coverage?: The article is not very broad, it would be better for the article if there could be information about how the show's production, ratings, any possible DVD releases, any awards for the show, etc.

 * 4. Neutral point of view?: The article looks mainly neutral, but it may be more focused to people who already know the show, so using less jargon and more wikilinks could help improve it.

 * 5. Article stability? The article appears stable and I don't forsee there being any problems with that in the future.

 * 6. Images?: The current images are okay, but they both need fair use rationales. Look to similar TV shows for fair use rationales or look to already promoted GA articles. If you can, attempt to add screenshots of some of the rounds in play or some of the regular panelists (again with fair use rationales and sources).

This was my first GA review, so I'm apologize if I was a little harsh. I see above a few sections in the talk page that this was nominated to get a review, so hopefully I brought you some suggestions. Even though I pointed out a lot of things to improve, it will be more likely to pass GA with these suggestions being met. I've seen the show a couple of times, but the editors' expertise here will be able to provide details to improve the article. Keep up the good work and just begin adding references and further expanding the article before trying again. If you have any questions let me know, and I'll try to get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 06:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 * No, not too harsh. Good job on the review. Chickenmonkey 10:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Those are all good points and reasons I don't think this will ever be a GA. It's just basically facts about the show we've learned from watching it and a bunch of lists and tables. It's hard to provide citations for a sports talk show such as this. But we'll see… bmitchelf•T•F 01:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Is the show always fixed?

 * How often do you think the winner is determined before the show? Is this talked about on the Yahoo site? Some shows it is obviously fixed, perhaps to give the face time to someone who has an important topic to discuss.  Thoughts? EagleFan 17:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * You're asking this about a show that the points are just an afterthought to begin with? Darkpower 09:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I'm asking if the "winner" is always predetermined.EagleFan (talk) 21:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Statistics tables
I like the look of the statistics tables at the bottom of the article, but is there any way to group some of them together so readers can look at two or three tables in a row rather than all of them on top of each other? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 14:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I nested some of the tables, to show 2 in a row. I could do the first 3 all in a row, but I was worried about making it too wide, for users with a lower resolution. Bjewiki 16:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks good, what you've done should be sufficient. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 17:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Around the Horn unofficial statistics
These statistics seem to be in violation of WP:OR and maintenance of them is adding far too much to the edit history. I am going to remove them from the article and request that they not be re-added without consensus. If someone does feel that this content merits inclusion, I would suggest that it be split out to another article, but I still doubt that it can pass the WP:OR standard. --After Midnight 0001 02:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree on this basis, especially since they do not match up correctly with the number of episodes in the infobox or in the table. However, it is something maintained by the show itself, as they show one statistic per panelist at the beginning of each show. That may be what merits inclusion, which I would only want if they're absolutely correct. bmitchelf•T•F 03:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say that the show maintaining statistics about the panelists is enough of a justification for their inclusion here, but if they're incorrect then they definitely need to be cleaned up. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Soxrock claims that this is not WP:OR and says that they have been updating it since March.  I'm not sure that the fact that they have been editing it for 2 months is relevant to this discussion.  I would ask that some rationale as to why this is not OR be provided.  All of these statistics are not displayed on the screen during the show are they?  Is there a WP:RS like ESPN that supplies these on some web site?  Plus, as Bmitchelf notes, the numbers don't match up, so they are either placed here in error or they must be OR. I see that Soxrock has reverted my blanking of the section and I will not revert war this, but I will ask for a consensus to be formed here and ask that the OR issue be settled.  --After Midnight 0001 02:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think the "encyclopedic" nature of these stats is definitely in question.  I'm 100% sure that the "Wins by City" and "Winning Percentage by City" are incorrect.  For one thing, several of the panelists (notably Paige) have represented different cities during their time on the show, yet this is not represented. Occasionally, they will show a panelists winning percentage or all-time wins during the shows intro, but not often enough to verify these stats.  Bjewiki 11:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning up the stats
Well, I made a WP:BOLD edit, and cleaned up the stats section. The section was way too long, and stretched out the article. In addition, it made maintenance difficult, because the status had to be updated in multiple locations (by Panelist, by Cities, etc). I think the sortable stats table presents pretty much the same information (no more win% by city, but who cares). What does everyone think? Bjewiki 20:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I notice Soxrox has put back the "By City" stats. Personally, I don't think these are very useful, and should be eliminated.  What value do they add?  For one thing, they're not even accurate, as Paige split time between Denver, and New York (?), which isn't even reflected there.  What does everyone else think? Bjewiki 21:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. I still am pretty sure the stats are wrong, too. bmitchelf•T•F 00:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice work. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the stats because there is no source and it is all original research. Please find a reliable source before re-adding.++ aviper2k7 ++ 22:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As much as i liked the new sortable stats table, I agree, those stats were not veriable...Bjewiki 22:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * BRING BACK THE STATS...they were the best part of the article...they are often shown in the opening segment of the show itself and I'm sure they could be sourced as such. 137.99.139.105 21:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not easily verifiable. Bjewiki 21:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Running Gags...
I started a discussion on the Talk:Running gags on Around the Horn subpage. Basically, this all looks like original research to me, and should probably just be deleted...looking to see what everyone else thinks. I'm open to other suggestions. Bjewiki 20:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good job. Now what do you suppose should be put in the spot where it says "Running Gags" on the website? Furthermore, what did you want? References to each exact episode? Why not make articles more uninformative and useless to people doing research? I hate to see your dictionaries at home. For an entry cat, you see a picture of a tabby, and the entire entry states: "Quadroped, furry. Felis. (rolling eyes) I take it you own stock in Wiki's bandwidth, right? JAF1970 07:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * While we're on this, who in the hell decided to remove the line I wrote about the chalkboard. This is one of THE most recognizable gags on the show, as it has appeared EVERY SINGLE TIME PAIGE HAS BEEN ON THE FRIGGIN' SHOW!! Why anyone would not think something being said about something that someone can prove by just WATCHING the damn show isn't appropriate to bring up is beyond me. Then again, this is Wiki for you, people who think they are always right and have to go one over by reverting every edit anyone else does because they don't like one thing about it. The chalkboard deserve a mention. Darkpower 09:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Episode numbers
This is copied from Bmitchelf's talk page in order to receive another opinion.

I think to add the numbers every day is original research. There is no source for the numbers outside of 1,000, so adding numbers every day would be un-verifiable and inaccurate. Also, it is tedious to keep updating the numbers every day because a simple "1000+" note can remain there. I apologize of the wording once again, don't know what I was thinking, but I still feel strongly that updating the numbers every day has a chance to be inaccurate. What if they get off a day? Please respond here, thank you for your time.++ aviper2k7 ++ 22:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * After they say it's 1,000, you just add the shows every day that it is on; I'm sure somebody will be watching. Plus, there is the Yahoo group, so if you miss a show, it verifies there that it was on that day. Other weekdaily shows like talk shows and soap operas are updated every day, as well, and in those cases it is harder because they show reruns, while Around the Horn does not. It's like saying The Simpsons shouldn't have an episode count updated because the only way to know what episode they are on is to look online, especially since FOX doesn't tell the truth about their episode count. Anyway, if you really go by the letter of the rule, practically everything on Wikipedia could be orginal research, if it doesn't have a reference.bmitchelf•T•F 17:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think you have a good argument. Here on Wikipedia, we want everything to be verifiable. There is no reason we need to edit this number every day into something that isn't even known. And just because other pages do it, doesn't mean this one should. Two wrongs don't make a right. Verifiability clearly states that there should be no original research.++ aviper2k7 ++ 00:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If the first number recorded in this article is verifiable, and the edit history matches up, then I don't see the problem. Mshake3 00:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This number is NOT currently veriable. Even updating it every day doesn't make it correct.  A week or two ago, the number was ahead of the actual episodes.  I know this because I thought it was strange when ATH hit it's 1000th episode, because I was like, "that's weird, the page already says there have been over 1,000 episodes".  The test for wikipedia is not being true, it's being verifiable.  Bjewiki 00:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Simpson's promoted 300th episode was actually episode 302. In fact, it ended up being a joke in the episode. So I wouldn't put much stock into TV shows and their own person celebrated anniversaries. As for the actual number, the first time it was listed, it had to have come from somewhere that was vertifiable. That's what edit histories are for.Mshake3 00:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "The first time is was listed, it had t ocome from somehwere that was verifiable?" what? that doesn't make any sense. Even if that WERE true, the current edit still needs to be Easily Verifiable Bjewiki 00:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was created in 2004. The number of episodes weren't immedietly listed. As some point, a number was listed, and it was correct (or only a couple off). That number wasn't pulled out of some guy's ass. It had to come from a source. This stuff can be looked into. As far as counting episodes go, isn't that what's done for other shows, especially those with a low episode count? Eh, the actual number will be hard to come up with 100% accuracly. But at the same time, things shouldn't be considered unverifable if one person loses track of it all. Mshake3 01:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For pretty much every regular TV series you can go look up on a website like epguides.com, and see a full listing of every episode, thus making it easy to get an accurate episode count, and verify it. This is not true for ATH. Bjewiki 01:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think the purpose of Wikipedia is to be just the same information you'd see in TV Guide. Anything else is "extraneous". JAF1970 07:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the ATH Yahoo group does have an episode list from the beginning. Although many don't have the day's panelists, and it hasn't been updated in a year. Mshake3 01:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So, a page that hasn't been updated in a year helps how? I'm also not sure that fan site with no fact-checking and no editorial oversight would qualify as a reliable source.  Bjewiki 02:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I swore I said "although" in there somewhere. ...... pretty sure I did. And wouldn't the group dedicated to the show be one of the sources you actually trust, as they're the most familiar with the show outside of the show itself? Mshake3 02:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, no. See Reliable sources. Blatantly ignoring Wikipedia Verifiable is not right, even if the number is correct. The number could have been off, it could be off right now. Adding a "1,000+" note is the best way to go so someone doesn't update an unverified (possibly false) number every day.++ aviper2k7 ++ 03:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to know what makes TV.com verifible. Mshake3 17:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, i'm assuming you meant mostly what makes this a reliable source, so that it passes WP:VERIFY. I'd say that TV.com qualifies considering that the standard template for the TV show infobox contains a link to a show's TV.com page. I would think that shows we (the community) already consider it a good source. Bjewiki 17:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Consider that the people who run it are just internet volunteers, and they get their information from who knows what. Heck, I bet if I looked at the individual episodes, I bet it'll look exactly like the incomplete episode list from the ATH Yahoo Group. Mshake3 21:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They probably got their information from Wikipedia XD ++ aviper2k7 ++ 22:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Let's visit the entry on the Criticism of Beauroracy:

 * Overspecialization, making individual officials not aware of larger consequences of their actions
 * Rigidity and inertia of procedures, making decision-making slow or even impossible when facing some unusual case, and similarly delaying change, evolution and adaptation of old procedures to new circumstances;
 * A phenomenon of group thinking - zealotry, loyalty and lack of critical thinking regarding the organisation which is perfect and always correct by definition, making the organisation unable to change and realise its own mistakes and limitations;
 * Disregard for dissenting opinions, even when such views suit the available data better than the opinion of the majority;
 * A phenomenon of Catch-22 (named after a famous book by Joseph Heller) - as bureaucracy creates more and more rules and procedures, their complexity rises and coordination diminishes, facilitating creation of contradictory rules
 * Not allowing people to use common sense, as everything must be as is written by the law.

Sound familiar? JAF1970 07:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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Bring back controversy section.
The show shows obvious large market bias and this is sometihing that should not be overlooked. No reporter from a city smaller than 1.5 million has appeared on the show with the exception of the ESPN.com writers.Yomamma22 (talk) 02:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Blackistone
Is he or is he not gone? I read wikipedia and said that he was gone in April but he was just on the show today155.33.109.198 (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So he's obviously not gone then. Wikipedia isn't the gospel. -- bmitchelf•T•F 16:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Guest Hosts
Around the Horn have'nt had a guest host on any occiasonal episodes this many since 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.230.148.189 (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Bring Back total wins
who cares if its 100% accurate....its an interesting tidbit of information, that would give at least a rough estimate of where people stand at

you could even put a warning on it saying "may not be 100% accurate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.93.231 (talk) 00:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but if it's not completely accurate from a reputable source, then it's speculation and OR and thus not proper for Wikipedia. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 02:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Is Michael Smith off the show?
I haven't seen Michael Smith on ATH in several months. Has he quit being a panelist? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 17:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a forum. JAF1970 (talk) 20:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, excuse me for asking...sheesh. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 21:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Running gags
Since Running Gags on PTI is back - did anyone preserve the Running Gags for ATH? JAF1970 (talk) 20:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Not a forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.246.189.97 (talk) 10:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The Lightning Round
Not quite ready to be put in the article yet, but I figured I'd record here that the lightning round was played 2 Nov. 2009 in place of Out of Bounds, if it becomes a more recurring round in the near future. umrguy 42  22:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Criticism
The criticism section is unsourced and sounds like one person's bitter griping. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.113.143 (talk) 22:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Active Panelist Statistics
Updated January 30,2012

 * Hi dwade, thanks for making this table. A couple comments/suggestions, if I might:
 * I think making this a sortable table would be good. I don't recall how just yet, but you might look into it.
 * More importantly, it might be worthwhile to update this table only weekly or so, instead of daily. (I've seen similar discussions on baseball player statboxes being updated daily.)
 * Best, umrguy  42  17:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Chalkboard Electronic Ticker
I don't think Woody Paige uses the electronic ticker anymore. I watch it almost every day and I have not seen it. --InformationContributor11 (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

What Happened to Active Panelist Statistics
What happened to active panelist statistics? Why were they removed and are we going to put it back on? --InformationContributor11 (talk) 11:39, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

The chart has apparently been taken down, along with the former panelists, however, the updated Active Panelist Statistics will continue to be maintained in the talk section, and will only be edited by me, the original creator of the table, however with multiple counts by others this resulted in the number of appearances counted. Around the Horn does not show the number of appearances in the intros or the winning percentage, and I have kept a count for the last 2 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwade035 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Logo change
Effective 11/5/18, the program will adopt a new logo. https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2018/10/espns-around-the-horn-celebrates-its-sweet-16-with-a-brand-new-look/ J4lambert (talk) 18:07, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Back in 2 minutes
Reali says this before commercial breaks typically once an episode, but the breaks are always 4 to 6 minutes. As this is a taped show, is he saying this to the panelists or to the viewers? If it's to the viewers, it is blatantly false. I'd love to add this to the article, but it's anecdotal and not easily sourced. NjtoTX (talk) 13:05, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Tony, you reading this? Today "Back in four minutes. Honesty is important." NjtoTX (talk) 22:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * The general idea would be that the "Yamato line" category could include members of the line that didn't become emperors, such as daughters or sons who didn't ascend to the throne. The distinction is common in all the subcategories of "royal families," and since Japan has one of the oldest monarchies in the world.  Even if it were redundant, there is always a distinction, in principle, between the genealogy and succession.  --Leifern 10:42, 2005 Apr 21 (UTC)

 * Ah. So, how about "Japanese Imperial Family"?  Yamato Line sounds like it would be specifically the line of Emperors.  I would also make "Emperors of Japan" a subcategory of that. - Nik42 01:33, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * By making Emperors of Japan a subcategory of Japanese Imperial Family, you don't have to add every Emperor to the category. - Nik42 01:35, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * To the extent that we want to treat the Japanese royal family in a way that is consistent with royal families elsewhere, it is customary to give them the name of the house or dynasty they belong to. This is where we get the Houses of Bourbon, Oldenburg, Hanover, etc.  The term "line" is relevant here, because such dynasties have ended from time to time, so genealogists who study royal families refer to them that way.  --Leifern 02:15, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

 * But looking at the category Category:Royal families, most don't contain the word "line". For example, we have House of Lancaster, Saudi royal family, etc.  In fact, *none* of them contain the word "line", most have "House" or "Dynasty".  "Japanese Imperial House" would be a good name, I think. - Nik42 02:19, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I just noticed that there's already a category Category:Japanese monarchy

I used the term Yamato line because this seems to be the common term used elsewhere. I am not comfortable calling it "Japanese Imperial House," because that doesn't make it clear that we're discussing one lineage - people who see the category might assume that it might be comprised of several lineages until they read the relevant articles. "House of Yamato" would be the equivalent term, but I want to use the most commonly used term elsewhere. --Leifern 12:00, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

This term seems to be based on a sort of "original research" in my impression. I have never heard it and first supposed it would have been a misspelling of Yamatoji line, a nickname of western part of Kansai Main Line. Japanese Imperial House is much clear and understandable. I worked on a Japanese history based RPG designing for two years and talked with a lots of westerners who devoted to this are, but as far as I remember no one used this term.

If you know however credible sources in which this term is used, please let us know. We are better to deal with categories, based on acceptable wisdom rather than feelings of individuals. --Aphaia 18:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

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Abd al-Wahhab Al-Bayati

Abd al-Wahhab al-Bayati (December 19, 1926 – August 3, 1999) was an Iraqi Arab poet.

Biography
al-Bayati was born in Baghdad. One of his friends, Ahmed Abdel-Moeti Hegazi, said urban centers of "hotels and institutions, cafés and airports" were actually his temporary residences. He attended Baghdad University, and became a teacher after graduating from Dar Al-Mu'allimin (the Teacher's College) in 1950, the same year that he released his first collection of poems, Mala'ika wa Shayatin (Angels and Devils).

Sufis
Al-Bayati was influenced by the Middle Eastern Sufi figures. One example is a poem by Al-Bayati entitled "A’isha's Mad Lover" in his book, Love Poems on the Seven Gates of the World (1971): "In this context Al-Bayati’s poetry becomes Sufi in default, since he assumes the position as a modernist whose aspirations for an earthy paradise have not materialized."

Original volumes

 * Mala'ika wa shayatin (Angels and Devils), 1950
 * Abariq muhashshama, 1954
 * Risala ila Hazim Hikmet wa quas'aid ukhra, 1956
 * Al-Majd li al-atfal wa al-zaytun, 1956
 * Ash'ar fi al-manfa, 1957
 * Ishrun qasida min Berlin, 1959
 * Kalimat la tamut, 1960
 * Muhakama fi Nisabur, 1963
 * Al-Nar wa al-kalimat, 1964
 * Sifr al-faqr wa al-thawra, 1965
 * Alladhi ya'ti wa laya'ti, 1966
 * Al Mawt fi al Hayat, 1968
 * Tajribati al-shi'riyya, 1968
 * 'Ulyun al-kilab al-mayyita, 1969
 * Buka'iyya ila shams haziran wa al-murtaziqa, 1969
 * Al Kitaba al Teen, 1970
 * Yawmiyyat siyasi muhtarif, 1970
 * Qasaid hubb 'ala bawwabat al-'alam al-sab, 1971
 * Sira dhatiyya li sariq al-nar, 1974
 * Kitab al-bahr, 1974
 * Qamar Shiraz, 1976
 * Mamlakat al-sunbula, 1979
 * Sawt al-sanawat al-daw'iyya, 1979
 * Bustan 'A'isha, 1989
 * Al-Bahr Ba'id, Asma'uh Yatanahhud (The Sea is Distant, I Hear It Sighing), 1998

Translated volumes

 * Lilies and Death, 1972 (trans. Mohammed B. Alwan)
 * The Singer and the Moon, 1976 (trans. Abdullah al-Udhari)
 * Eye of the Sun, 1978
 * Love Under Rain (Al-hubb tahta al-matar), 1985 (transl. Desmond Stewart and George Masri)
 * Love, Death, and Exile, 1990 (trans. Bassam K. Frangieh)

Anthologies with only works by Abd al-Wahhab Al-Bayati

 * Poet of Iraq: Abdul Wahab al-Bayati. An introductory essay with translations by Desmond Stewart, 1976
 * Abdul Wahab al-Bayati, 1979 (a short introduction and four poems, trans. Desmond Stewart and George Masri)

Anthologies with works by Abd al-Wahhab Al-Bayati and other poets

 * Abdullah al-Udhari, ed. and trans. Modern Poetry of the Arab World. Harmondsworth, UK: Penguin, 1986.
 * An Apology for a Short Speech
 * The Arab Refugee
 * The Fugitive
 * Hamlet
 * Profile of the Lover of the Great Bear
 * To Ernest Hemingway
 * Salma Khadra Jayyusi, ed. Modern Arabic Poetry: An Anthology. New York: Columbia University Press, 1987
 * The Birth of Aisha and Her Death
 * Eligy for Aisha
 * The Impossible
 * Luzumiyya
 * Simawe, Saadi ed. Iraqi Poetry Today, ISBN 0-9533824-6-X London: King's College, London, 2003
 * The Dragon
 * An Elegy to Aisha
 * I am Born and I Burn in My Love
 * Love Under The Rain
 * The Nightmare
 * Nine Ruba'iyat
 * Shiraz Moon
 * Three Ruba'iyat
 * To Naguib Mahfouz [Amman, 15 April 1997]
 * To TS Eliot
 * Transformations of Aisha: Aisha's Birth and Death in the Magical Rituals Inscribed in Cuneiform on the Nineveh Tablets
 * Two Poems for my son, Ali
 * Who Owns the Homeland?
 * Writing on Aisha's Tomb

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Paul Monette

Paul Landry Monette (October 16, 1945 – February 10, 1995) was an American author, poet, and activist best known for his books about gay relationships.

Early life and career
Monette was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts, and graduated from Phillips Academy in 1963 and Yale University in 1967. The rigid social confines of his suburban, middle-class upbringing placed Monette in a position where life in the closet seemed to be the only option. For the majority of Monette's childhood, he felt suffocated and alienated by the strict, religious atmosphere in which he was raised. Monette would later describe this life in the closet as hindering his personal development as a child, as he was forced to deny a part of his identity that was seen as sinful by everyone around him. He described his youth in the closet as an ‘internal exile', an ‘imprisonment', and claimed that closeted life equates to ‘the gutting of all our passions till we are a bunch of eunuchs.'

Conflicted about his sexual orientation, he moved to Boston, Massachusetts, where he taught writing and literature at Milton Academy. In 1978, he moved to West Hollywood with his romantic partner, lawyer Roger Horwitz (November 22, 1941 – October 22, 1986). He wrote and published several novels during this time period, starting with Taking Care of Mrs. Carroll in 1978, which featured a gay protagonist. Monette himself later described the books he produced in this time period "glib and silly little novels." His more serious work came later in his life and was largely driven by his experiences with AIDS.

Borrowed Time: An AIDS Memoir
Monette's most acclaimed book, Borrowed Time: An AIDS Memoir, chronicles Horwitz's fight against, and eventual death from, AIDS. The memoir details the final nineteen months of Horwitz's life, beginning with the day that he was first diagnosed with AIDS. Monette describes the day as "the day we began to live on the moon," isolating himself from the reader in order to demonstrate the devastating loneliness that is felt among AIDS patients and their loved ones. It was a miserable existence for Monette, he writes: "within three months this sense of separateness would grow so acute that I really didn't want to talk to anyone anymore who wasn't touched by AIDS, body or soul."

Becoming a Man: Half a Life Story
His 1992 memoir, Becoming a Man: Half a Life Story, tells of his life in the closet before coming out, culminating with his meeting Horwitz in 1974. Becoming a Man won the 1992 National Book Award for Nonfiction.

Other works
Monette also wrote the novelizations of the films Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979), Scarface (1983), Predator (1987), Midnight Run (1988) and Havana (1990), as well as the novels Taking Care of Mrs. Carroll (1978), Afterlife (1990) and Halfway Home (1991). He wrote Afterlife (1990) and Halfway Home (1991) which were centered around people with AIDS and their families' experiences. He once said in an interview that "One person's truth, if told well, does not leave anyone out." Because of this belief, he tried to tell the truth in a way that gave a voice to a community that was usually left out.

Later life and death
While writing his novel, Afterlife, Monette met television producer Stephen Kolzak, best known as the casting director for the TV show Cheers. Monette and Kolzak were partners for two years, until Kolzak's death from AIDS in September 1990, resulting in what Monette called his “second widowhood.”

Monette's final years, before his own AIDS-related death, are chronicled in the film Paul Monette: The Brink of Summer's End by Monte Bramer and Lesli Klainberg. "By the end of his life, Monette had healed most of his psychic wounds, but his rage persisted." He said, "go without hate, but not without rage; heal the world." He had tried to use his rage to heal the world through his writing and activism. Monette died in Los Angeles, where he lived with his partner of five years, Winston Wilde. Monette was survived by Wilde; his father, Paul Monette Sr.; and his brother, Robert L. Monette. Horwitz and Monette are buried alongside each other at Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Hollywood Hills), Los Angeles, California

The Monette–Horwitz Trust
Shortly before his death in 1995, Monette established the Monette-Horwitz Trust to commemorate his relationship with Roger Horwitz and to support future LGBT activism and scholarship. Monette's brother Robert served as the appointed Trustee until his death in 2015. Monette–Horwitz Trust Awards are given annually to individuals and organizations for their contribution to eradicating homophobia through their literary, scholarly, archival, or activist work. The award's eight-member advisory committee includes Monette's surviving partner, Winston Wilde and the writer Terry Wolverton. The Lesbian Herstory Archives and the June L. Mazer Lesbian Archives received the inaugural Monette-Horwitz Trust Awards in 1998. Other organizations which have since been recipients include Athlete Ally, Naz Foundation India and the Addison Gallery of American Art. Among the individuals who have received the award are Sunil Pant, Lillian Faderman, Allan Bérubé and Leslie Feinberg.

Archival sources

 * Paul Monette papers, 1945–1995 (26 linear feet) are housed at the Charles E. Young Research Library at the University of California at Los Angeles.
 * Kathleen Hendrix Collection on Paul Monette 1985 to 1995 housed at the Charles E. Young Research Library at the University of California at Los Angeles.

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Triband (flag)

A triband is a vexillological style which consists of three stripes arranged to form a flag. These stripes may be two or three colours, and may be charged with an emblem in the middle stripe. All tricolour flags are tribands, but not all tribands are tricolour flags, which requires three unique colours.

Design
Outside of the name, which requires three bands of colour, there are no other requirements for what a triband must look like, so there are many flags that look very different from each other but are all considered tribands.

Some triband flags (e.g. those of Croatia and Ghana) have their stripes positioned horizontally, while others (e.g. that of Italy) position the stripes vertically. Often the stripes on a triband are of equal length and width, though this is not always the case, as can be seen in the flags of Colombia and Canada. Symbols on tribands may be seals, such as on the Belizean flag, or any manner of emblems of significance to the area the flag represents, such as in the flags of Argentina, India and Lebanon.

A triband is also a tricolour if the three stripes on the flag are all different colours, rather than two being the same colour. Examples of tricolour flags include those of the Netherlands and France.

Tricolour
A tricolour (BE) or tricolor (AE) is a type of triband design which originated in the 16th century as a symbol of republicanism, liberty, or revolution. The oldest tricolour flag originates from the Netherlands, whose successor later inspired the French and Russian flags. The flags of France, Italy, Romania, Mexico, Ireland and Paraguay were all adopted with the formation of an independent republic in the period of the French Revolution to the Revolutions of 1848, with the exception of the Irish tricolour, which dates from 1848 but was not popularised until the Easter Rising in 1916 and adopted in 1919.

History
The first association of the tricolour with republicanism is the orange-white-blue design of the Prince's Flag (Prinsenvlag, predecessor of the flags of the Netherlands), used from 1579 by William I of Orange-Nassau in the Eighty Years' War, establishing the independence of the Dutch Republic from the Spanish Empire. Its red-white-blue successor is the oldest tricolour flag still in use. The flag of the Netherlands inspired both the French and Russian flags, which in turn further inspired many tricolour flags in other countries.

Though not the first tricolour flag, one of the most famous, known as Le Tricolore, is the blue, white and red (whence also called Le Bleu-Blanc-Rouge) flag of France adopted in 1790 during the French Revolution. Based on a 1789 design of the Cockade of France, it was easy to construct and also stood in a visual opposition to complicated royal banners of the Ancien Regime.

With the formation of French client republics after 1795, the revolutionary tricolour was exported and adopted more widely in Europe, by the Republic of Alba 1796 (red-blue-yellow), the Cisalpine Republic 1797 (Transpadane Republic, green-white-red), the Cisrhenian Republic 1797 (green-white-red), the Anconine Republic 1797 (blue-yellow-red), the Roman Republic 1798 (black-white-red), the Helvetic Republic 1798 (green-red-yellow; canton of Neuchatel 1848), the Parthenopean Republic 1799 (blue-yellow-red), and the Principality of Lucca and Piombino 1805 (blue-white-red). Thus providing the format for many of modern Europe's national flags, from the flag of Italy, to the flag of Germany, flag of Ireland, flag of Belgium, flag of Romania, flag of Bulgaria, flag of Moldova, and others around the world such as the flag of India, flag of Cameroon, flag of Chad, flag of Ivory Coast, flag of Gabon, flag of Guinea, flag of Mali, and flag of Nigeria.

The green-white-red tricolour remained a symbol of republicanism throughout the 19th century and was adopted as national flag by a number of states following the Revolutions of 1848. It was also adopted by the Kingdom of Sardinia (inherited by the Kingdom of Italy 1861).

The flag of Germany (black-red-gold) originates from the uniform colours of the Lützow Free Corps during the Napoleonic Wars, which contained volunteers from many German states and became famous through propaganda. Prominent veterans and later students became the core of the republican movement of early 1800s which adopted the colours. At the time the flag was known as Dreifarb, a German calque of Tricolore. It was a symbol of opposition against the German Kleinstaaterei and the desire for German Unification. It was at first illegal in the German Confederation, but was adopted as the national flag at the Frankfurt Parliament of 1848/9. The flag of Belgium was introduced in a similar context, in 1831, its colours taken from the flag used in the Brabant Revolution of 1789. The first national flag of the New World inspired by this symbolism was the flag of Mexico, adopted when the First Mexican Empire gained independence from Spain in 1821.

After 1848, the young republican nation states continued to pick triband designs, but now more prevalently expressing the sentiment of nationalism or ethnic identity than anti-monarchism, the flag of Hungary (1848), the flag of Romania (1848), the flag of Ireland (1848), the flag of Estonia (1880s), the flag of Lithuania (1905), and the flag of Armenia (1918). By contrast, the flag of Russia was adopted by the Tsardom of Russia in the late 17th century and while it may or may not have been inspired by the Dutch tricolour, it never had any republican implications.

The political ideology of the unification of an ethnic nation state associated with tricolour flags since the 19th century has resulted in the design of new "tricolours" expressing specific nationalisms in the 20th century, the Pan-African colours adopted in the 1920s for Pan-Africanism, chosen in numerous African flags during decolonisation (green-yellow-red, taken from the triband design used by the Solomonic dynasty for the Ethiopian Empire since 1897). The Pan-Arab colours adopted in Arab nationalism 1916 are a comparable concept, even though they combine four, not three, colours. Also in the 20th century, Pan-Iranian colours for Iranian nationalism and Pan-Slavic colours for Slavic nationalism were adopted based on the triband design of the flags used during the 19th century by the Qajar dynasty and the Russian Empire, respectively.

During the brief Second Spanish Republic, a red-yellow-purple tricolour was adopted as its official flag. Today, it is still used by Spanish republicans.

The Indian independence movement in 1931 also adopted a tricolour (loan-translated as Hindi, तिरंगा Tiraṅgā) in the traditional symbolism of "national unification" and republican "self-rule" (Purna Swaraj), adopted as the flag of the India in 1947.

In 1999, a red, green, and blue tricolour was proposed as the Flag of Mars. The design symbolises liberty, and also the terraforming of Mars by humanity from a red planet to a green one, and eventually an Earth-like blue one.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diego Segui

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. sjorford →•← 08:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Diego Segui
vanity and pov  FoodMarket talk! 05:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*Delete FoodMarket talk! 05:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, keep rewritten article ---FoodMarket talk!  19:01, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral, I've heard of Diego Segui - IMO, journeymen players like him are just on the borderline of notability. Since Wikipedia is not paper, we might as well rewrite it. As written, it is a personal attack. Firebug 18:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the article and removed the personal attacks and unencyclopedic language. Firebug 18:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep rewrite. Foodmarket, could you fix your sig?  it's broken.  RickK 20:00, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. 15 years in the major leagues is notable enough (less than four and I'd be unsure). Average Earthman 22:31, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Fg2 02:02, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability established for both him and his son... I'm surprised his son doesn't have his own article; he was in the majors for a while too (I think he retired last year). --Idont Havaname 03:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Firebug's rewrite. Player with reasonably lengthy career as a professional baseball player. Capitalistroadster 02:08, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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User:Jackeapen

About Me My name is Jack Eapen.I'm a Knowledge Management professional with interests in Open Source Softwares and Open Access Publishing. I also have interests in Physics, Oriental Orthodox Christian history and theology. I belong to Niranam,a small beautiful village in Kerala in India. Visit me at Jack's Web World

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Boa (clothing accessory)

A boa is a fashion accessory that is usually worn wrapped around the neck like a scarf. Feather boas are most common, although modern boas are most often made with synthetic feathers.

Construction
A boa can be made of fur, but it is usually made instead from various types of feathers. Ostrich, marabou stork, and turkey are the most common feathers used, although non-feather boas are also available. The feathers go through bleaching or dyeing processes and are glued and stitched into lengths called "ply". Sometimes more natural boas are produced. A lightweight chandelle boa might only weigh 65 g, whereas a 24 ply ostrich boa can weigh as much as 200 g. The more ply, the fluffier and thicker the boa. Boas are generally measured by weight (grams), length (centimetres), and ply. Boas are available through novelty, costume, or lingerie shops, as well as online.

With the development of "fun fur" or "eyelash" yarns in the late 20th century, an adept craftsperson can knit a boa of one solid color or a mix of various colors. Yarn boas do not "shed" like feather boas and are favored for their soft texture against the neck. The rounded boa shape is achieved by knitting one row and purling the next row, then repeating this pattern until reaching the desired length.

Types

 * Ostrich – thousands of long thin feather strands woven into ply are used to construct these very fluffy boas. These form the larger, Las Vegas showgirl type boas, as when they are coloured and woven into many ply, they can look very dramatic even at a distance.
 * Turkey – many larger flat turkey feathers form these heavier boas which might weigh between 120 and 400 grams and reach 30 cm in diameter.
 * Chandelle – smaller feathers or "flats" from the turkey are used to create these lighter boas with smaller diameters.
 * Marabou – the fine down from marabou is used to form these very thin and very fluffy boas.

History
Feather boas have been documented for use as an adornment since at least 1820, but they might have been worn as early as the 17th century. Feather boas have fallen in and out of fashion many times over the years. Feather boas have had the reputation of being elegant as well as being considered campy or vulgar apparel.

Some historic eras where feather boas were in style or trendy include: the late Victorian era and Edwardian era (between 1890 and 1915), the 1920s, the 1970s during the glam rock and disco music eras, and in the rave scene of the 1990s.

Entertainers have long used feather boas as part of their act. A few feather boa wearers include: dancer Isadora Duncan; singer Shirley Bassey; actor/comedian Mae West; wrestlers Jesse Ventura, Superstar Billy Graham, and Hulk Hogan; singers Scott Weiland, Celia Cruz, Janis Joplin, Cher, Marc Bolan, Gerard Way, and Elton John; and numerous other opera and cabaret singers.

Other uses
Social clubs such as the Red Hat Society, or those who are involved with historic re-enactment societies, wear boas at meetings while they are often worn as a costume accessory for parties around holiday seasons such as Halloween or Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

Feather boas are worn around campus by new members of the Mask & Wig Club at the University of Pennsylvania.

Feather boas are worn for erotic seduction purposes and are at times considered fetish wear. Nude performers may use boas to cover themselves while teasing their audience.

Feather boas are sometimes used as trims for skirts or tutus.

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User talk:JohnMarkham

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Sound of the Street

Sound of the Street is DMX Krew's debut album, released on Rephlex Records in 1996.

Track listing

 * 1) "Sound of the Street"
 * 2) "Rock to the Beat"
 * 3) "Dance to the Beat"
 * 4) "Funky Feelin'"
 * 5) "Sound of the DMX"
 * 6) "Move My Body"
 * 7) "Inside Your Mind"
 * 8) "Emerging Technology"
 * 9) "Rock Your Body 2"
 * 10) "Anybody Out There?"

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Calum Marsh

I'm in Ottawa, I've heard of Marsh. I think he's doing some filming in our part of town next (the "Nepean")


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Pontypridd Rugby Football Club
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User talk:Karl dietz

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Talk:Napster (streaming service)

Napster
Rhapsody appears to have merged its service with a re-launch of the Napster brand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B12E:8056:9089:3E49:CD74:18A (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * yes Rhapsody is now Napster. -Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The lead paragraph goes straight from talking about Napster to talking about Rhapsody without any discussion of their relationship. If they indeed are now the same thing, adding something to that effect to the lead would seem to be helpful.—Salton Finneger (talk) 19:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I made the relevant edit to the lede using -Serialjoepsycho-’s source and its reference source. I can’t figure out what’s wrong with   in the citation template references, so I submitted references with errors. If anyone knows what the fix is, please fix them, and feel free to ping me so I know what the fix is. Patrick Dark 08:08, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Clay Serby

Clay Serby is a former Canadian politician in Saskatchewan. He served as the province's deputy premier and Minister of Regional Economic and Co-operative Development. On September 7, 2007, he announced that he would not be running in the 2007 provincial election.

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File:Shul.jpg

Summary
Congregation Tiferes Yisroel synagogue building

Licensing
This photo was taken by me (Tzadik Vanderhoof). I am also the one who uploaded the photo and created the article which uses it.

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User talk:Mfv2

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Talk:CPIO

I think I've got everything right in here, but there are definitely areas that need filling out. One particular area is what the CIPO utility homepage mentions: Supporting multiple formats (binary, old ASCII, new ASCII, crc, HPUX binary, HPUX old ASCII, old tar, and POSIX.1 tar). I don't quite understand that. I only heard of this format recently while studying about RPM in a red hat book, and had difficulty finding more information about CPIO anywhere. Now at least Wikipedia has a basic article describing what I managed to decipher about it. Hopefully someone else can add to it. -- techtoucian

What? no mention of pax and the tar vs CPIO dispute?

Merging
Since the name of the program is cpio, this article should be merged into Cpio, not the other way around. 83.71.47.204 22:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Flabergasted

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Federal Bureau of Narcotics

The Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) was an agency of the United States Department of the Treasury, established in the Department of the Treasury by an act of June 14, 1930, consolidating the functions of the Federal Narcotics Control Board and the Narcotic Division. These older bureaus were established to assume enforcement responsibilities assigned to the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914 and the Jones–Miller Narcotic Drugs Import and Export Act of 1922.

History
Harry J. Anslinger was appointed its first commissioner by Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon under President Herbert Hoover. Under Anslinger, the bureau lobbied for harsh penalties for drug usage. The FBN is credited for criminalizing drugs such as marijuana with the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937, as well as strengthening the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914. Even so, the main focus of the FBN was fighting opium and heroin smuggling. One instance against opium was the Opium Poppy Control Act of 1942. To that end the FBN over time established several offices overseas in France, Italy, Turkey, Beirut, Thailand and other hotspots of international narcotics smuggling. These agents (never totaling more than 17) cooperated with local drug enforcement agencies in gathering intelligence on smugglers and also made undercover busts locally. The work against heroin and opium was however hamstrung by US foreign policy considerations: during the Vietnam War for instance great importance was placed on investigating minor Vietnamese smugglers that could be connected to the resistance while investigations of large scale smugglers from the US ally Thailand were left unfinished.

DEA
Anslinger retired in 1962 and was succeeded by Henry Giordano, who was the commissioner of the FBN until it was merged in 1968 with the Bureau of Drug Abuse Control, an agency of the Food and Drug Administration, to form the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, an agency of the United States Department of Justice. The BNDD was a predecessor agency of the current Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

Legal disputes
In Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents, the Federal Bureau of Narcotics was sued for violating the 4th Amendment rights of Bivens, through the illegal search and seizure of drugs without a warrant.

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User talk:Lkkity

Hi, Welcome. I notice that you're making a number of major changes to the India article. Before anyone makes such sweeping changes, it is customary to discuss in the talk page (in the current case Talk:India). You can make the changes after consensus is reached there. You may also want to read the tutorial. -- 06:14, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

re: China in Telugu
Hi, sorry for the delayed reply. Are you still looking for this information? I'm glad you are looking out for telugu language, just curious, how does this information (China in Telugu) intrest you? Best wishes 19:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

re: India map
Welcome once again, my Chinese friend. You need not be apologetic about your conversation level of English. Many of us are non-native speakers of English and hence are not really good in it. There are others who can correct the mistakes we make. I agree with you that wikipedia should reflect neutral point of view. If you've valid objections to the India maps, you can post it at Talk:India. You can also read the discussions that have already taken place there on that topic. Cheers. -- 06:57, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Maps
Sundar asked me to talk to you while he is away. I am aware of the India-China dispute and have discussed the matter with User:Ran earlier this year. Ran creates Chinese maps. I do make some Indian maps sometimes. If you need any help, you may message me. Please note, if you modify any image which is already present on wikipedia under GFDL then you have to credit the original uploader and link to the original image besides uploading the image under GFDL. You can link to an image by using the syntax image:zzz.png == 16:59, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't worry about your English, we can understand what you type. See this map I have created image:IndiaArunachalPradesh.png, image:IndiaJammuKashmir.png. Yes, Wikipedia has to be an NPOV, I agree with you. == 06:29, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * See this gallery of Indian state maps: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_states_and_union_territories. Aksai Chin is administered by PRC so is not shaded with Indian colours. Arunachal Pradesh is administered by India so is shown in a color similar to India's administered regions, (a light pink). So as not to make it seem that there are two Arunachal Pradesh I have not shaded it in a contrasting colour. == 07:21, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I'm back. Nice to see that you've understood Nichalp's NPOV. He'll be away for a few days. If you want any help (apart from maps) you can ask me at my talk page. By the way, since you say that your Chinese is good, I would suggest that you translate some articles from here to the Chinese Wikipedia and vice versa. That way it'll add variety to both the wikis. -- 04:04, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

re: Hi
Hi, I'm currently living in Bangalore, India and working for Yahoo!. I can't read Chinese but will one day learn to do. I can read Hangul and am fond of learning new languages. What do you study in your university course?

By the way, just curious. Is "Icywind" a translation of your Chinese name? :-) -- 03:53, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Good to know that you specialise in Sino-Indian relations. You may also want to see Foreign relations of China. Even if you are not comfortable with editing articles initially, you can correct typing errors, statistics and factual ersors. If you have some issue to raise be bold and raise it in the talk page of the article. You can also request for any help on my talk page. Btw, it was interesting to read about your nom de plume. :-) -- 06:10, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

all the best
I saw exchange of messages between you, User:Sundar and User:Nichalp. I would also repeat - please do not worry about your English. For most of Indians also, English is not a mother tongue. And, it is nice to learn that you are in Wuhan University, one of the most beautiful universities in the world. In case, you find time, please translate some India related articles into Chinese, to begin with you may just make a short Chinese versions of few important articles. It is sad that I do not know Chinese, but China has always fascinated me - its culture, its history, and the excellent people.--Bhadani 04:12, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. Sure, Icywind, in case you send me your writings (via email) in English, I will surely rewrite them. You can also create an article about any topic in wikipedia and write me a message as you did now. I will take care of the English part by revising, if you wish so. About teaching English, you do not worry - you will learn very very good English, actually you know English - only you have to practice regularly. In case, you want me to teach you English ok - I will try to do that also, please donot worry. Ok, all the best!--Bhadani 15:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

translation
Hi Lkkity! I’m Wikipedia user from Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro. I want to inform you that I took the liberty of translating text on your user page on Serbian Wikipedia into Serbian. Hope you don’t mind ;)  I’m telling this to you here because I’m not sure if you’re checking your Serbian talk page regularly, and I don’t speak Chinese (yet :) Best regards -- Obradović Goran  ( t al k  14:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

India
After an extended break, I return to take care of your queries. If you need any help or clarifications on the India maps or India related topics, please let me know. PS. I've never been to China, but have put my foot in Tibet last year, across the International Border in Sikkim. == 06:17, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Wuhan
hello, writing you after a long gap. I wrote a small article Wuhan Botanical Garden, I think you may be interested in reading that - very soon, I will write on Wuhan University. In case, you want, please start an article on Wuhan University - I will also write something about your university. Ok. All the best.--Bhadani 01:35, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes my dear young friend from China, I got your message just now. I have added you in my msn messenger. I will soon write an article about your university in wikipedia. Really, your university and you both are very nice and beautiful. Thanks.--Bhadani 15:09, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello my friend from China. I donot fine you around. I am sure that you are fine. I will request you to please write my name in Chinese in my user page. Please. Thanks and bye.--Bhadani 18:59, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Wishes
I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. And, where are you? --Bhadani 14:49, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * hi Kitty, I remember you very well - I wish you all the best in life. And, thanks for the greetings on the coming festival of Holi. I am amazed at your knowledge of things Indian. Please remain in touch. You may send me wiki-mail, if you so wish. Thanks. --Bhadani 14:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know Hindi, which is my mother tongue. I can also read and understand Sanskrit though I cannot speak Sanskrit Both the languages have the same script: Devanagari. I would surely assist you in learning this script if you so desire. By the way, from my childhood I have remained fascinated with your motherland, China. Chinese and Indians have so many things in common.

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Westfield Kotara

Westfield Kotara (previously known as Kotara Fair and Garden City) is a large shopping centre in the suburb of Kotara in Newcastle.

Transport
Kotara station is 900 metres away from Westfield Kotara and is on the Main Northern railway line. The station is serviced by NSW TrainLink services which operate between Sydney and Newcastle.

Westfield Kotara is served by Newcastle Transport bus services to Broadmeadow, Charlestown, Swansea Heads, Wallsend and Warners Bay, as well as local surrounding suburbs. The majority of its bus services are located on Park Avenue outside the centre.

Westfield Kotara has multi-level car parks with around 4000 spaces. The complex has walk-in entry available via the bus stop and an entryway via the park at the rear of the facility. Historically, egress was also available directly through multiple parts of the David Jones, a number of these have since been closed.

You can also get there by car, coming from Newcastle city centre, which will take about 15–20 minutes.

History
Kotara Fair opened on 6 October 1965 and was developed by Woolworths. It featured a Woolworths supermarket, a Big W department and store 27 speciality stores.

Kotara Fair was purchased by David Jones in 1971 and plans were drawn to extend the centre to consolidate its strong position in the marketplace. The $8 million expansion began in early 1973 and was completed in October 1974. Kotara Fair was renamed Garden City in line with other David Jones Garden City centres. The Big W department store closed and was replaced by David Jones. As part of the redevelopment, David Jones, Norman Ross and 24 speciality stores were added. Further redevelopment occurred in 1977 when Norman Ross closed on level one. This provided the establishment of the 'Top Mall' which provided space for 13 additional retailers in the centre including Shoeys, Best & Less, Reuben F Scarf and Angus & Coote. This extension also provided the centre with 8 offices and professional suites.

In 1980 Garden City was purchased by AMP for $104 million. Another expansion in 1988 created the largest shopping centre in the Hunter Region. The grand opening was on 15 March 1988. The $62 million expansion added a Super Kmart and Venture department store as well as bringing the total number of retailers to 120.

On 28 December 1989, shortly after completion of another expansion program, the centre suffered significant damage during the Newcastle earthquake. Most affected were the upper levels of the car park adjacent to Northcott Drive and the Super Kmart. Despite the damage, repairs were effected quickly.

The Super Kmart store was split into Kmart and Coles in 1990.

In 1995 Coles relocated to the ground level and Toys "R" Us opened in its place.

Garden City was refurbished in 1998 with the relocation of Woolworths and the addition of 14 speciality stores and an additional 148 car parking spaces.

Following the purchase of Garden City by the Westfield Group, the centre was renamed Westfield Kotara on 11 August 2003. Westfield worked for over a year to expand the centre, in an expansion that significantly increased its size.

The redevelopment commenced on 8 May 2006 and added a Target discount department store, JB Hi-Fi and 120 speciality stores. The new food court and half the mall opened on 16 August 2007. The Fashion Mall was completed in September 2007.

In 2010 a development application was submitted for an eight screen cinema complex and possible ten pin bowling alley as part of a $12.5 million expansion, in response to the opening of the new Charlestown Square in late 2010. The $55 million redevelopment commenced in April 2015 on parts of the rooftop car park. On 26 November 2015 the open air entertainment precinct known as "The Rooftop" opened. The Rooftop has design drawn from the Hunter Valley Vineyards and the relaxed Novocastrian approach to life. The Rooftop included between eight and 10 local and national restaurants and food outlets and a live music venue. The eight screen Event Cinemas complex opened on 17 December 2015 just in time for the Star Wars: The Force Awakens film.

On 12 October 2017 Westfield Kotara commenced its $160 million redevelopment. During this development Kmart, JB Hi-Fi and Toys "R" Us temporarily closed. The redevelopment was completed in October 2018 with the grand opening date on 18 October 2018. Swedish retailer H&M opened on 4 October. This development featured new Youth and Urban Precinct on level 2 located next to H&M and is in line with the region’s surf, skate and lifestyle culture and includes a diverse mix of retailers. The youth precinct features a mini skatepark complete with half-pipe inside Parrey Skate store. It also featured a new look Kmart and JB Hi-Fi. The level 2 mall featured natural skylight that runs throughout the mall and darker accent colours to give it a modern edge. Travelators were installed to provide better access to Level 2, 2M and 3. Spanish retailer Zara opened on 8 November 2018.

This development also included the extension of "The Rooftop" precinct which included the opening of a gym, six restaurants and Timezone which opened in April 2019. Since the original development application was to include a bowling alley, this was later dropped. However Timezone features a bowling alley, laser tag, Spin Zone bumper cars and gaming arcades.

There were also changes in the car park with over 500 spaces added. The new level 3 car park features both outdoor and undercover car spaces and a solar-powered shade canopy, as part of the centre’s broader sustainability redevelopment.

Tenants
Westfield Kotara has 82,433m² of floor space. The major retailers include David Jones, Kmart, Target, Coles, Woolworths, H&M, Zara, JB Hi-Fi, Timezone and Event Cinemas.

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User talk:Kimjohnson

Hey my name is Kim and my son was 3 years old and has died from streptococcus pneumona. I was not told this is what it was until he was put into ICU with pneumona.I took him to the doctor because of his fever, it was 104 and then it was brought down to 102.8. The doctor said he just had the flu and sent him home with 102.7 fever and told me to give him motrion. so I did what I was told 2 days later I noticed he didn't get any better and noone else in the home was getting the flu. I called the doctor back and he refused to give an antibotic. The following night he started making grunting noises so I took him back to the ER and the they done and xray and took blood, they said he just had pneumona in his left lung. They then sent him to the childrens hospital. He spent one night on the 4th floor the next morning the put him in ICU and said he had streptococcus pneumnona and his body was shutting down and his blood was posioned. My son died 3 days later. I don't understand the doctor told me it was just a flu bug and refused antibotics. PLEASE if anyone can really explain this to me PLEASE contact me. Why and How this could happen with all that we have today.I don't understand why I lost my little boy to this. He was just 3 years old. I kept him away from anyone that was sick and didn't take him in public in fear he would get sick. I feel like I'm losing my mind.How could this happen????????????

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Mannish Boy

"Mannish Boy" (or "Manish Boy" as it was first labeled) is a blues standard written by Muddy Waters, Mel London, and Bo Diddley (with Waters and Diddley being credited under their birth names). First recorded in 1955 by Waters, it serves as an "answer song" to Bo Diddley's "I'm a Man", which was in turn inspired by Waters' and Willie Dixon's "Hoochie Coochie Man". "Mannish Boy" features a repeating stop-time figure on one chord throughout the song.

Although the song contains sexual boasting, its repetition of "I'm a man, I spell M, A child, N" was understood as political. Waters had recently left the South for Chicago. "Growing up in the South, African-Americans [would] never be referred to as a man – but as 'boy'. In this context, the song [is] an assertion of black manhood."

Recordings and releases
Waters recorded the song in Chicago on May 24, 1955. It is his only recording between January 1953 and June 1957 that did not feature Little Walter on harmonica (who was on tour supporting his then-number one hit "My Babe" and thus unavailable for the recording session) and is one of few studio recordings with Junior Wells. Also accompanying Muddy Waters are Jimmy Rogers on guitar, Fred Below on drums, and an unidentified female chorus.

Waters recorded several versions of "Mannish Boy" during his career. In 1968, he recorded it for the Electric Mud album in Marshall Chess' attempt to attract the rock market. After he left Chess, he recorded it for the 1977 Hard Again album which was produced by Johnny Winter. A live version with Winter appears on Muddy "Mississippi" Waters - Live (1979). Waters also performed it at the Band's farewell concert The Last Waltz, and the performance is included in the documentary film of the concert as well as on the film's soundtrack of the same title.

Charts and recognition
The song reached number five during a stay of six weeks in the Billboard R&B chart. The song was Muddy Waters' only chart appearance on the UK Singles Chart, peaking at number 51 in 1988.

In 1986, Muddy Waters' original "Mannish Boy" was inducted into the Blues Hall of Fame "Classics of Blues Recordings" category. It was also included in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's list of the "500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll". "Mannish Boy" is ranked number 425 in Rolling Stone magazine's list of the "500 Greatest Songs of All Time". The early David Bowie band, the Mannish Boys, took its name from the song.

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User talk:Ottawa99

Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Spinboy 06:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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