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Talk:Hockey stick

Stick use decriptions
The descriptions given of stickheads for positions or certain uses are a matter of opinion and not of undisputable fact. There is little evidence for any of these statements.

Field hockey sticks have an end which varies in shape, often depending on the players position.

''The 'shorti' is used mainly by players wishing extreme control over the ball, and increase their maneuverability. This specific head is most associated with the mid-field position.''

''The 'Midi' is used by players who will be hitting the ball often and need to be strong on their 'reverse side'. This specific head is most associated with the striker, or 'up-front' position.''  The 'Maxi' is similar to the 'Midi' as it has an increased surface area which is useful for hitting. However its strength allows it to be used much more effectively for stopping the ball. This head is used by 'defenders' and 'attackers'.

''The 'J Hook' again has a large surface area. However does not have the effectiveness of the 'Midi' for striking the ball, it has an increased thickness making it ideal for stopping the ball. This head is most commonly used by 'defenders'''  ...'defenders' often like to have a longer stick than 'attackers' as this can be used for a greater reach when stopping a moving ball. The 'attackers' prefer a shorter stick as it allows greater control of the ball.''

The modern player needs to be able to stop, hit, push and flick in all parts of the field and will use a stick of comfortable weight and length and a head shape that gives maximum control. This is a matter of personal preference after some experience with a range of stick types/styles. It is not possible to state categorically that a player in one position should use a stick of a particular head shape, weight or length. I would also contradict the assertion that the 'shorti' head gives better ball control or maneuverability than a 'Midi' and that a 'Midi' is to be preferred for reverse play over a 'Maxi' or a 'Hook' (not mentioned but possibly what is meant by Maxi) or that a 'Maxi' is better for stopping the ball than the 'J Hook'. All these assertions seem to me to be sales-talk, the kind of thing Saturday staff in a sports shop might come out with. I think that for general information about a field hockey stick it would be better to refer to the Rules of Hockey and stae the more obvious differnces between a field hockey stick and an ice hockey stick or a roller hockey stick. For example, that unlike the other two, only one face of the field hockey stick is flat and may be used to propel the ball.ZigZag (talk) 02:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:List of members of the International Ice Hockey Federation

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I reverted, because the UK is already on the list :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Article overhaul
The article overhaul by User:FutureNJGov looks great! Could anyone verify the status of the Algeria national ice hockey team, the Kuwait national ice hockey team and the Morocco national ice hockey teams? Also, we made need to update the IIHF template. Flibirigit (talk) 17:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I would very much like to submit this to FL, but I know a lot of work needs to be done.  Here's what comes to mind:

1. We need to create articles for each of those national organizations. I'm thinking at the least, we could create stubs based on the individual articles for each member nation. 2. Expand the article. It's not enough to just have a list; there must be more prose. 3. Pictures. Not sure what if anything we could put a picture of on there, but it wouldn't hurt. That's my take on it. There's plenty more to be done, but the article as it stood was just hideous, and there was no organization behind it. Anthony Hit me up... 18:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I knoww there is some basic info on the IIHK website for the international organizations. But did you find any information for the three teams I mentioned? (Algeria national ice hockey team, Kuwait national ice hockey team, Morocco national ice hockey team). Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 19:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Algerian hockey team has a website, but I couldn't find anything for the other two. Note that they wouldn't be on the page, because they're not even affiliate members of the IIHF.  However, according to the template, they're applying for membership somehow (which I can't find a source for either).  At any rate, I won't have time to do any more work on this today, but I think if we could get some kind of template for national hockey organizations that we could use on all the pages (which have to be made anyway), it would help and make everything look a lot nicer.  Anthony Hit me up... 19:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm the one who put Morocco and Kuwait in there. I wasn't sure what else to do with them since the Navbox for Men's teams was merged into the IIHF template. Flibirigit (talk) 22:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

errors?
Affiliate members only play inline hockey? That should be the case with Brazil. It once had an article: Brazil men's national ice hockey team, but it was deleted, after it turned they haven't played a single game of ice hockey.

And why exactly are Azerbaijan and Qatar members? Only because they have an association? They seem to have no activity.

After checking the IIHF site, I learned Qatar is indeed an associate member, not full. Others seem to be right, oddly. 85.217.34.67 (talk) 23:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Armenia
Ice Times says they were reinstated in September.18abruce (talk) 01:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Non-IIHF/non-existing member associations?
These countries has not yet applied for an IIHF membership or these ice hockey associations does not exist?

 * undefined – Algerian Association of Ice and Inline Hockey
 * undefined – Negu Kiroletako Euskal Federakuntza
 * undefined – Bavarian Ice Sports Federation
 * undefined – Catalan Federation of Winter Sports
 * 🇪🇬 egypt – Egyptian Ice Hockey Federation
 * 🇫🇰 falkland islands (malvinas) – Falkland Islands Hockey Association
 * undefined – Islamic Republic of Iran Skating Federation
 * 🇰🇪 kenya – Kenya Ice Hockey Association
 * 🇵🇲 saint pierre and miquelon – Association du Hockey Mineur SPM
 * 🇹🇳 tunisia – Tunisian Ice Hockey Association

 * Other (non-ice) hockey associations

 * 🇨🇴 colombia – Federación Colombiana de Patinaje (roller hockey)
 * undefined – Lebanese Hockey Association (ball hockey)
 * 🇳🇦 namibia – Namibia Ice and InLine Hockey Association (inline hockey)
 * 🇵🇰 pakistan – Pakistan Hockey Federation (field hockey)
 * 🇸🇴 somalia – Somali National Bandy Association (bandy)
 * 🇻🇪 venezuela – Asociación Venezolana de Hockey en Línea y en Hielo (inline hockey)

The reason why the IIHF does not recognize those countries. The games have only played in Pakistan was field hockey due to lack of standard rinks and ice hockey activities. Bandy is played in Somalia, but no ice hockey activities exists. – AaronWikia (talk) 23:15, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Namibia withdrew from an IIHF membership and they are no longer an IIHF member. I think Namibia chose to play just inline hockey and stay with the International Roller Sports Federation (FIRS). AaronWikia (talk) 23:17, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


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You recently removed my comment from the Entertainment Software Rating Board article that stated Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude Uncut and Uncensored was also rated AO. Well, it seems that the Leisure Suit Larry article (my source for that tidbit) would disagree with you. Notice that I had said "Uncut and Uncensored" version, not the normal retail which IS rated M. I won't bother changing the ESRB article again, since the text no longer implies San Andreas being the first AO game for this generation, but I just wanted to let you know. --Zeromaru 22:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

EDIT: It also seems to me that you're not in the position to be making comments on AO-rated (or even M-rated) games, as you're not old enough to play them. I know this seems kind of rude, but it's far more tame than your uncalled comment on Germany.

Green Day
Please do not change the categorization of Green Day without first gaining consensu on the talk page, the current categorization of Punk Rock/Pop Punk was reached via consensus on the talk page and shouldn't be changed without consensus. Jtkiefer T - 04:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

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Deletion
This user page is attrocious. If they want to have a page like this they should go elsewhere. This is an encyclopedia.

Along with the graphical sexual images, which any minor may view without verification of age, the page is also vocal against Jews, blacks, and the Polish. yalbik 01:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

It's so against black Polish Jews, that's why I, a black Polish Jew made it! As for the picture, I didn't upload it, and it has been used in previous articles. As for it upsetting minors, there is some Wiki policy of not censoring for minors. I'll find it later, I'm a in a bit of a rush. Gold Stur 12:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit, I found it. Here. Feel free to hit me with a rebuttal, it's what I live for. Gold Stur 22:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Green Day
I saw your ideas, Please support me. New!!!!!oneone 11:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I worship you
I like the way you talk about Green Day. Teach me your secrets. 88.153.142.102 09:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Mayble you'll find   useful. <- 88.152.182.249 20:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Used. Gold Stur 01:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Your secret is a template on the wikiserver. now thats real, punk.!, again... what is your definition of punk? Xsxex 22:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Green_Day
If I may, I quoted you there. p s y c h o m e l o    ( d i s  c  ussion)   13:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a common convention that all articles note that a rock band is a rock band, because there are other sorts of musical ensembles. It's a simple rule of clarification for those who may not know anything about the band. I don't believe anyone is arguing that Green Day is not a rock band; the debate is over particular subgenres (punk rock, punk pop, etc.). WesleyDodds 00:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah, ignore that. I read the wrong edit.  Still, people are rather touchy about this subject, which is why I think the whole sentence "Once considered a punk rock band, their music now leans more towards pop punk/pop rock" should be removed.  It seems to purposefully antagonize people, even if is meant to give credence to opposing viewpoints.  Anyways, Green Day have been called pop punk since Dookie so it's not like people are arguing that they've become pop punk only since American Idiot.  WesleyDodds 00:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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Concerning Pop Punk
Hey kid, do some research... there is no Pop punk revival... and Wikipedia IS NOT A PLACE TO INVENT NEW TERMS>>.... !!! thats what PUNK IS FOR... start a band... write a zine... subscribe to Punk Planet or MRR... its cool that you care though...keep it up.. and see what you find. Bring us some good sources! - Xsxex 01:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey i wrote you.. you should write back.. or not.. im just a loser with no life... Xsxex 22:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Bands I listen to: I listen to The Ramones, The Sex Pistols, Generation X, The Misfits, and The Clash. I also listen to Green Day, blink-182, and Fall Out Boy. I also listen to R.E.M., They Might Be Giants, and Weird Al. I also listen to many other bands and styles of music. But as for the ones which are punk, i think you know. If theres a band that I should check out, let me know. Xsxex 19:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

GoldStrrr, you're response was exactly what i thought it would be. Again, if you want to enlighten me about any specific bands, i'd appreciate it. I listen to a wide variety of music and have been "in the scene" or whatever that means since late93/94'. I consider my "punk" experience to be a work in progress or an ever growing shifting mountain of rock which is living and plastic. Show me the way. Xsxex 21:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Green day edit
Please do not alter cited material, as you have done with this edit. It has been documented frequently in the media that Green Day brought about a punk rock revival in 1994. WesleyDodds 06:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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holy shit
you are one of the stupidest people whose profile I have ever had the good fortune of reading on wikipedia 72.200.192.250 (talk) 05:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

the cool thing is it's almost 12 years later and I'm still alive and kickin but you have probably either contracted coronavirus and/or ran out of toilet paper 😎 --Gold Stur (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Atlantic Hockey

Members
AH is already listing RIT and Air Force as members at http://www.atlantichockeyonline.com Is that premature? ccwaters 02:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Eh. This season's over.  Next season, they'll be members.  In the interim, who knows?  There's no set time like a fiscal year to say "This is the day new members join their leagues."  Air Force is still listed on College Hockey America's web site (although said site is rather poor quality and hard to navigate).  USCHO still lists RIT as D-I Independent and Air Force in CHA.  CollegeHockeyNews.com has partially switched RIT in Atlantic Hockey  but not completely ; Air Force is still listed in CHA.
 * So is it premature? Probably not.  On those college hockey websites, folks are probably still looking for information on the 05-06 season.  Here, I'm tempted to say the past is past and might as well start making the moves for the next season.  But that may just be me dreading the long wait until next season.  =)  Powers 14:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Since Colorado Springs is plainly not "in the northeastern United States", shouldn't the lead be changed? - PhilipR 05:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Logos
There is a discussion to clarify our policy/guideline on the use of sports team logos. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Logos if you wish to participate in the discussion. Johntex\talk 16:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Primary Conferences
With this edit, each school's primary athletic conference was added to the list. I'm not sure whether that's really necessary for the article. Perhaps if I understood the reasoning? Powers T 03:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, now there's even more stuff in the table. Is the founding date really relevant to an athletic conference?  Powers T 15:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Athletic conferences often form around schools with similar sizes, affiliations, and histories. Putting this information in a table with the membership not only shows the differences among the members, but also shows how conferences are likely to change (like when teams moved from the Big East to the ACC, C-USA to the Big East, and the WAC to C-USA).  This information has long been on all-sport conference pages, and seemed reasonable to include on hockey conference pages.  As a caveat, there is talk from time to time about primary conferences sponsoring hockey themselves, and thus having the primary conference information in the table helps illustrate the impact such a move would have on conferences and the sport. Craig R. Nielsen 21:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the info. I can see where it's all useful, but it seems very crowded.  And you removed the column for championship years, which seems useful (though the same information could be gleaned from the list of championship game results).   Powers T 23:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

PA
Why this edit? Powers T 19:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Discussion about overview maps for US collegiate athletic conferences
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moblin ring

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was merge (destination undetermined). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:18, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Moblin ring, Like like ring, Quicksand ring, Blue ring, Blast ring
a VERY MINOR item in the game, better addressed on its own originating game page
 * Delete, this should simply be included as a line item on the appropriate game page. Firebug 05:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC) (originally on Blast ring page, moved here)
 * delete, useless. Absolutely useless... Master Thief Garrett 22:42, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge if it's better addressed on the parent page. Kappa 23:20, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, there are 1000 Zelda items, none of which merit a page, nor even a mention in the main article. Tempshill 23:40, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I confess to not knowin enough to say whether this object deserves amention in the relevent game's article, but I do know that it doesn't deserve an article of its own. Delete. Rje 00:30, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Zeldacruft3. -- 8^D gab 00:35, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)
 * Merge Into moblin. Klonimus 07:07, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea, but no, it does NOT belong in Moblin; Moblins do not wear it, it turns you into one!

 * Delete as fancruft, no encyclopedic value. Martg76 08:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, cruft. Megan1967 08:59, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge all these Zelda ring articles together to a List of rings in Zelda games or similar. The moblin ring I recall was an utterly useless ring. Sjakkalle 09:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into games part of the The Legend of Zelda series article, though I would make the suggestion that perhaps the games should have their own article. -- Lochaber 01:29, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, see, here's the thing. The two oracle games (Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Time) partially overlap, and allow you to take powerups from one to the other. They contain 64 rings in various hidden places (such as gasha trees), most of which have minor or trivial effects, and none of which are required to complete the game. Zelda fans strive to collect them all, which is significantly harder (because of randomness, mainly) than getting all heart pieces. A list of all 64 rings and where to find them would be appropriate on Gamefaqs. But probably not here. Weak delete as such, althouhgh a merge would be a possibility as well. Radiant_* 12:54, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, a ring list is definitely more FAQy than Wiki.Master Thief Garrett 23:15, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge all -Sean Curtin 00:11, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Thunderbrand 23:40, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Beanpot (ice hockey)

Removal of University Logos
I've read the Fair Use guidelines, and I don't really see how having the logo of the university right next to the name of the university does anything except reinforce the imformation being presented, and make an otherwise dauntingly long table much more readable.

The user that removed them claimed that they were misused as "decoration." It would be one thing if we were just blindly putting university logos on the page, but in this case it really served a legitimate purpose, in my opinion. I would try to resolve this with the user, but his talk page seems to indicate that he continually makes changes such as these, despite a strong consensus against his actions.

I will revert the changes in one day if no one objects. -Pjorg 22:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Revert completed. -Pjorg 02:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I've once again reverted the removal of the images from the tables in this article. The use of the images is NOT purely decorative, they increase the tables' readability dramatically. Furthermore, there has been consensus among the other editors that this use is appropriate (Ed g2s is the only user who seems to have a problem with it), so even if it was purely decorative, the WP:FU and WP:Logo guidelines are just that - guidelines. The existing consensus among the editors is sufficient to allow for an exception.

Please don't just revert without discussing, it's perceived as rude. -Pjorg 00:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Look again; Fair use criteria is policy. I've left a note on your talk page with more information.  As a rule of thumb, just don't revert unfree image cleanup.  Jkelly 02:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

BU Championships
The article states that BU has now won exactly half of the championships, and points out that this is exactly as many as the other 3 teams combined -- in the same line! I'm removing the latter part, because it is completely redundant. --Srwm4 08:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Good catch, that seems a bit simpler! --Bill.matthews 12:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Templates
A BU template was added, which doesn't seem to further the neutrality cause since it's the only school represented with a template. BC has one, but it doesn't fit well with the BU one so I didn't commit the change. Perhaps someone could improve the BC template, and make comparable ones for Harvard and Northeastern to keep some semblance of neutrality in the article. Until then, I think we should remove or comment out the BU template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walrus655321 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree, it doesn't fit here. I removed it.  --Bill.matthews 17:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

NU in the first round vs. Harvard
The note about NU in the first round vs. Harvard (which I edited to fix grammar and correct for this year's first-round loss) was subsequently excised by an edit. I don't think it should be, but I also don't like the idea of reflexively reverting. Thoughts? --Mr Wednesday (talk) 15:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

MVP?
Who chooses the MVP? Saying that the MVP award goes to the most valuable player is pretty meaningless. Is any player eligible, or just those on the championship-winning team? Eleusinian (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I couldn't find anything on the official site. I'd assume it's a media vote.  Every MVP winner has been on the championship team, but without any information on the selection of the award, I don't know if it's officially restricted or if that's just how it's worked out.  By way of comparison, I don't think most professional championship MVP awards are restricted to the winning team, but nonetheless, the winner almost exclusively is on the winning team. --Mr Wednesday (talk) 06:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

proposed move/rename
I propose renaming this article to "beanpot(ice hockey)" instead of just "beanpot"

I will be creating an article on the cooking vessel shortly. Given that the hockey game is named FOR the vessel, it does seem absurd to only have an entry for the game. 71.202.127.67 (talk) 04:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Moved the page and a redirect. Will fix other links once this has a chance to settle. (But should Ice Hockey have been capitalized or not?) FiveRings (talk) 20:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not convinced that a pot for cooking beans is interesting enough to merit an article of its own. It's not clear that the article about the pot rises above the level of a dictionary article, which, as I understand the general guidelines, should not be included. This move also causes problems with the Beanpot (ice hockey) article, which includes a section on all of the other Beanpot competitions that now seems out of place. I'm more sympathetic to the idea of splitting the Beanpot article to deal with the various different Beanpot competitions. --Rkstafford (talk) 18:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Already moved the page... But I wholeheartedly agree with breaking out the other tourneys, or with renaming this page to Beanpot (competitions). (This kind of discussion is why I haven't fixed the other backlinks yet). FiveRings (talk) 22:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I think it should be named Beanpot Tournament. Beanpot (ice hockey) looks tacky for such a major sporting event.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samtskins (talk • contribs) 03:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

POV tag
This concerns POV tag cleanup. Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it. This permits discussion and consensus among editors. From WP tag policy: '''Drive-by tagging is strongly discouraged. The editor who adds the tag must address the issues on the talk page, pointing to specific issues that are actionable within the content policies, namely Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Simply being of the opinion that a page is not neutral is not sufficient to justify the addition of the tag. Tags should be added as a last resort.''' Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements. This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags. No discussion, no tag.

That's my standard paste. In this case I see no POV dispute on this page, and I went back several pages in history and can't even find who/when it was placed to begin with. So, I'm removing the tag. If any of you have cause to replace it and comment here then of course you can. If so, don't undo my edit, add a new tag and comment so it will have a current date.Jjdon (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

attendance
I have hidden the following text "and often draws the largest crowds of the college hockey season outside of the Frozen Four". TD Garden is significantly smaller than Joe Louis Arena and thus, it is unlikely that the attendance is not less than the attendance at the Michigan–Michigan State ice hockey rivalry featured game.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Recent Tournaments
At what point is it appropriate to condense the recent tournament section? It appears we have detail on tournaments since this article began but should we limit "recent" to the last 5 or similar? Thkie (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

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Ivy Championship
A recent edit added the statement "The Ivy school that is the highest finisher in the ECAC is also crowned the Ivy League ice hockey champion." My understanding is that the Ivy championship is based only on regular season intra-Ivy games, rather than including games with other ECAC members. While the original statement could be read in a way which agrees with my understanding, I think it's ambiguous, and so some clarification is in order. Kime1R 23:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you're right, my edit was ambiguous. The official Ivy League standings from this year prove your point.  I'll change it to be more clear; thanks for the good catch.  Friejose 13:30, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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Division II/III

 * Why is there no discussion of the other two divisions? Unless things have changed, the college I played for was ECAC Division II (one of the few D-2 teams in the country) and played in the D-3 ECAC Northeast. Stoneice02 04:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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Expansion in the ECAC Hockey?
Do you think that Pittsbugh University and/or Penn State University could play hockey sometime in the future,be in the ECAC Hockey or Atlantic Hockey. My prediction is they would probably be in the ECAC Hockey if they play User:panicpack121 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.126.35.24 (talk) 01:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Harvard and Unitarianism
What's the basis for stating Harvard's historic affiliation as Unitarian? I thought Unitarianism as we know it in the US today didn't exist until the 19th century, or about 200 years after Harvard was founded. Harvard did have a role in the development of Unitarianism. In 1636, the Massachusetts Bay Colony's established religion was Puritanism or what we would call today Congregationalism, so I would think it might be more appropriate to call its original affiliation Congregational or to include a note similar to the statement on Brown's founding as being by Baptists but without any formal regigious tests. The main Wikipedia article on Harvard says that it has never had any formal religious affiliation.

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No mention of runners-up?
Steven_Reinprecht — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlurpTheo (talk • contribs) 16:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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i don't think that the Ryan Jones who was a finalist for the hobey baker is the same ryan jones that is the welsh rugby player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolanisntfunny (talk • contribs) 22:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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Cleaned article to remove vandalism in the form of "SUCKS TO BU". Thanks BigKennyK for adding the Walter Brown information to the article.Rob McDougall 02:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) BigKennyK 17:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Regular Season Titles
I added a listing of each team's regular season titles. I think this is appropriate since this isn't listed elsewhere (that I'm aware of) even though it makes some teams' lists longer and maight make it a little more difficult to pick out the actual member teams at first glance. For consistancy this should probably also be done for the other five D-I leagues. -- Pal

As this entry covers both the women and the men the arena listing should be amended to include UConn and Walter Brown Arena. Also of note, the Women's Hockey East semis and finals will be moving back to Matthews this year.

Men's Hockey Awards
I added the awards given out by Hockey East for Men's Hockey. --Alslammerz 03:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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I don't think UConn is in Hockey East anymore. I'm pretty sure they are in Atlantic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.129.105.215 (talk) 18:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Their men's team has never been a member of Hockey East, but their women's team has been members of Hockey East since the women's league's first season. BigKennyK (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

UMass arena
I notice that a low-grade edit battle has broken out regarding whether UMass's Mullins Center should be included in this article's "Conference arenas" section. According to the Hockey East official website, UMass is a member of Hockey East men's division, and the Mullins Center is the squad's home ice. This is confirmed by the Mullins Center's online event calendar and by the UMass athletics website. Therefore, I am undoing the latest change removing the Mullins Center from this article's list of arenas. -- Friejose (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Enrollment Consistency
Just took a glance, numbers are very inconsistent. To wit, BC is undergrad only, but BU and ND are total (grad + undergrad) enrollment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.61.224 (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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Request received to merge articles: Women's Hockey East Association into Hockey East; dated: 01/2017. Proposer's Rationale: They are part of the same organization while conferences in similar situations, namely ECAC Hockey and WCHA do not have separate articles. If they pages are not merged, then the articles should be separated into independent men's and women's articles and labeled as such. Discuss here. Hydra88 (talk) 21:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree: I originally created the WHEA article as part of my ongoing effort to bring NCAA women's ice hockey pages up to par with corresponding men's pages;  at that time, it made sense to me to create a separate page in order to build a team-by-team structure, and using the WHEA as an 'anchor'.  Now that I've made a much deeper dive into the topic, a merged page is a better option.  I assume, as a n00b wikipedian, that merging involves a #redirect and keeps content that is not redundant.  Thanks,  Bill McKenna (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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RIT?
Is RIT really that noteworthy? If RIT belongs on here, then so do other teams that have moved up from DII/III in the past. Chris 06:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose it depends on the criteria being used for notworthiness. I can't really figure out what would make one program more noteworthy than the next, at least when it comes to this categorization.  Powers 19:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


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Logo Removal
Ed, you are acting unilaterally in your interpretation of policy yet again. There is no consensus in support of the actions you are taking. You are well aware of the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Logos. Johntex\talk 16:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Major Brainfart
Sorry about the OSU men's add...wow, my brain went stupid...well, stupider. Yikes, I'm disappointed in myself for f-ing that up. Sorry.-Colslax 17:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Ohio State & Bemidji State are not part of the WCHA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdawg325 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Timeline
The membership timeline is going to need to be split into men's and women's; it'll be too confusing otherwise. Note how the timeline already shows Ohio State (inexplicably) leaving the conference in 2013, as well as UMD and Minnesota and Wisconsin and North Dakota -- all of which will likely keep their women's teams in the conference. Powers T 17:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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World Basketball League

World Basketball League (WBL) was a minor professional basketball league in the United States and Canada which operated from 1988 to 1992. It was founded as the International Basketball Association in November 1987, before changing its name prior to the 1988 season. One of the major differences between it and other leagues was that it had a height restriction. Players over 6 ft 5 in (1.95 m) were not allowed to play; this restriction was raised to 6 ft 7 in (2.0 m) in 1991.

Basketball Hall-of-Famer and Boston Celtic great Bob Cousy (6'1" tall) was one of the league's founders. Norm Drucker, a 25-year veteran referee with the National Basketball Association and American Basketball Association, and a former supervisor of officials for the NBA, served as the WBL's supervisor of officiating. One of the league's founders, Michael Monus, was eventually convicted of having embezzled $10 million to finance the league, from a privately owned company he had founded, Phar-Mor. He was sentenced to nine (9) years in federal prison.

In addition to games against other teams in the league, games were also played against international teams. The league had several of its games broadcast on television. In Canada, the games were broadcast on the CanWest Global System. In the United States, the games were broadcast on SportsChannel America. Mike Rice was the primary analyst for the SportsChannel broadcasts.

After the league folded in 1992, the surviving Canadian-based teams formed the National Basketball League. This league played two seasons before it folded as well.

Champions of WBL

 * 1988 Las Vegas Silver Streaks 102 Chicago Express 95 (one-game playoff)
 * 1989 Youngstown Pride won best of three series two games to none over Calgary 88's
 * 1990 Youngstown Pride won best of five championship series three games to two over the Calgary 88's
 * 1991 Dayton Wings won best of five championship series three games to none over the Calgary 88's
 * 1992 Dayton Wings declared champions as leaders of regular season (due to league folding on August 1)

WBL Championship MVP

 * 1988: Jamie Waller, Las Vegas Silver Streaks
 * 1989: Barry Mitchell, Youngstown Pride
 * 1990: Barry Mitchell, Youngstown Pride
 * 1991: Perry McDonald, Dayton Wings

Player of the Year
This award was established in 1991.
 * 1991: Tracy Moore, Florida Jades

Rookie of the Year
This award was established in 1991.
 * 1991: J. J. Eubanks, Nashville Stars

Sixth Man of the Year

 * 1988: Chip Engelland, Calgary 88s
 * 1989: Keith Smart, Worcester Counts
 * 1990: Troy Lewis, Youngstown Pride
 * 1991: Kelsey Weems, Calgary 88s

Coach of the Year

 * 1988: Mike Thibault, Calgary 88s
 * 1989: Bob Patton, Youngstown Pride
 * 1990: Sonny Allen, Las Vegas Silver Streaks
 * 1991: Pat Haley, Dayton Wings

NBA players
These players played at least 1 game in the NBA

 * Vincent Askew
 * Dudley Bradley
 * Scott Brooks
 * Carlos Clark
 * Fred Cofield
 * Mario Elie
 * David Henderson
 * Alfredrick Hughes
 * Cedric Hunter
 * Darryl Johnson
 * Anthony Jones
 * Doug Lee
 * Tim Legler
 * Jim Les
 * Sidney Lowe
 * Kenny Natt
 * Craig Neal
 * Jose Slaughter
 * Keith Smart
 * John Starks
 * Jim Thomas
 * Andre Turner
 * Mark Wade
 * Milt Wagner
 * Jamie Waller
 * Perry Young

Other leagues
These players have won at least 1 individual award while playing in professional leagues
 * Joe Dawson
 * Aivar Kuusmaa
 * Darryl McDonald
 * Igors Miglinieks
 * Barry Mitchell
 * Clyde Vaughan

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Trenton Titans

The Trenton Titans were a professional minor league ice hockey team that played in the ECHL. The team last played in the Atlantic Division of the ECHL's Eastern Conference. The Titans played their home games at the Sun National Bank Center in Trenton, New Jersey. Established in 1999, the team was owned by Delaware Valley Sports Group LLC, a local ownership group. They were most recently the ECHL affiliate of the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers and the AHL's Adirondack Phantoms.

The Titans finished with the best record in the ECHL once in 2002, and qualified for the playoffs for eight out of their fourteen seasons. They won the league's Kelly Cup championship in 2005.

The team was owned by the New Jersey Devils from 2006 to 2011, but remained an affiliate of the Flyers under the Titans name for the 2006–07 ECHL season. Renamed the Trenton Devils, the team was affiliated with the New Jersey Devils starting from the 2007–08 ECHL season. After the team was sold in 2011, the team reverted to the Titans moniker and affiliation with the Flyers for the 2011–12 ECHL season.

The ECHL announced on April 23, 2013 that the Titans had ceased operations and that all players are considered unrestricted free agents, effective immediately.

Trenton Titans (1999–2007)
The ECHL awarded Trenton an expansion team in 1996, three years before the club played a game. The franchise started as the Trenton Titans and played their first season in 1999. The Titans were affiliated with the Philadelphia Flyers (NHL) and the Philadelphia Phantoms (AHL) from 1999–2000 to 2006–07 and with the New York Islanders (NHL) and the Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) from 1999–2000 to 2002–03, and again for the 2005–06 season.

Following the 2004–05 ECHL season, the Titans won the Kelly Cup by defeating the Florida Everblades, four games to two. Leon Hayward was named the MVP of the Kelly Cup Finals. Rick Kowalsky was Trenton's captain. After the season, head coach Mike Havilland was hired by the AHL's Norfolk Admirals. Assistant coach Ted Dent was hired by the Columbia Inferno.

Intrastate rivalry
Before moving to Stockton, California to become the Stockton Thunder in 2005, the Atlantic City Boardwalk Bullies were rivals of the Titans. They played for the Garden State Cup, which was awarded to the regular season series winner between New Jersey's two ECHL teams.
 * 2001–02: Trenton wins, 6 games to 4
 * 2002–03: Atlantic City wins, 6 games to 4
 * 2003–04: Trenton wins, 6 games to 4
 * 2004–05: Trenton wins, 5-3-2

In 2006, the New Jersey Devils bought the Trenton Titans and the team became the ECHL affiliate of the Devils for the 2006–07 season. The team still maintained their affiliation with the Flyers for that season only.

Trenton Devils (2007–2011)
In 2007, the New Jersey Devils announced that the Titans were changing their name to the Trenton Devils. This re-branding alienated fans in the Trenton area, many of whom were part of the Philadelphia Flyers' (and to a lesser extent, the fellow NHL rivals of the Devils in the New York Rangers) fan base. The name change and the team's lackluster record led to a significant decline in attendance, positioning Trenton at or near the bottom of the league in attendance. The only exception to this was on February 21, 2009, when the Trenton Devils retired former Titan Kelly Cup champion Scott Bertoli's No. 19 in front of a crowd of 6,013 fans.

On July 6, 2011, the New Jersey Devils announced that the Trenton Devils would be suspending operations immediately, citing a desire to restructure their player development system to more closely mirror those of other NHL franchises (New Jersey was the only NHL team to wholly own its ECHL affiliate). Trenton had failed to qualify for the playoffs in three of the previous four seasons and had regularly posted league-low attendance numbers. Prior to the suspension of operations, the team lost $1.5 million during the 2010–11 ECHL season.

The ECHL worked to find a new ownership group for the franchise, with the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers eager to affiliate with franchise and help in cross-promotion. The Flyers, however, were not interested in owning the ECHL franchise. Two weeks prior to the announcement of the Trenton Devils' suspension of operations, the ECHL registered the Trenton Titans name with the United States Patent and Trademark Office, with a logo description that was similar to the logo used by the Titans from 1999 to 2007. One week after the Devils suspended operations, a group of local fans began lobbying investors to restart the franchise under the Titans name.

Trenton Titans (2011–2013)
Blue Line Sports LLC, managed by John and Eileen Martinson, took over the team, restoring the original Titans moniker and affiliating the team once again with the Philadelphia Flyers. On March 28, 2012, the team and its owner Blue Line Sports LLC was sold to Delaware Valley Sports Group LLC, consisting of Jim O'Connor, Jim Cook, Tim Curran and the team's general manager Richard Lisk.

Former Titan all-time scoring leader Scott Bertoli, whose number 19 is the only one to be retired by the franchise, was named senior adviser of hockey operations for the team. Former Titans' general manager from 2001–05, Richard Lisk, rejoined the team and was appointed to be the franchise's president and CEO.

Former Titans defenseman and previous assistant coach during the Trenton Devils years Vince Williams was named head coach of the Titans on August 1, 2011.

NHL veteran and original Titan Todd Fedoruk was named assistant coach on November 9, 2011. On August 28, 2012, the Titans announced the addition of Joe Trotta as an assistant coach. Trotta had last served as video coach for the Anaheim Ducks of the NHL. The Titans also announced an affiliation with the Danbury Whalers of the Federal Hockey League on September 10, 2012. This is one of the first times an ECHL team has affiliated with a lower minor league team.

While experiencing numerous financial issues,  it was announced on April 23, 2013 the Titans would cease operations for the 2013–14 season.

Season-by-season record
Note: GP = Games played, W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties, OTL = Overtime losses, SOL = Shootout losses, Pts = Points, GF = Goals for, GA = Goals against, PIM = Penalties in minutes

Season

 * Points: 79 - Scott Bertoli, (2006–07)
 * Goals: 36 - Mike Pandolfo, (2006–07)
 * Assists: 53 - Ryan Gunderson, (2008–09)
 * Penalty Minutes: 305 - Graham Belak, (2001–02)
 * Goaltending Appearances: 48 - Scott Stirling, (2000–01)
 * Goaltending Minutes: 2,722 - Andrew Allen, (2004–05)
 * Goaltending Wins: 32 - Scott Stirling, (2000–01)
 * Shutouts: 5 - Scott Stirling, (2000–01)

Game

 * Points: 7 - David Hoogsteen vs. Toledo (March 24, 2000)
 * Goals: 5 - Mathieu Brunelle vs. Augusta (January 31, 2004)
 * Assists: 5 - Colin Pepperall vs. Dayton (January 19, 2008) and David Hoogsteen vs. Toledo (March 24, 2000)
 * Penalty Minutes - 33 Todd Fedoruk vs. Roanoke (February 19, 2000)

General managers

 * Brian McKenna: 1999–2002
 * Richard Lisk: 2002–2004
 * Jeffrey Mandel: 2004–2005
 * Jim Leahy: 2005–2011
 * Richard Lisk: 2011–2013

Head coaches

 * Bruce Cassidy: 1999–2000
 * Troy Ward: 2000–2001
 * Peter Horachek: 2001–2002
 * Bill Armstrong: 2002–2004
 * Mike Haviland: 2004–2005
 * Doug McKay: 2005–2006
 * Rick Kowalsky: 2006–2010
 * Kevin Dean: 2010–2011
 * Vince Williams: 2011–2013

Retired numbers
19: Scott Bertoli (Retired on February 21, 2009; Re-dedicated on October 22, 2011)

Media
The Titans were covered by the two city newspapers, The Trenton Times and The Trentonian. Hunterdon County Democrat writer Mike Ashmore kept an active blog of the team during their time as the Devils. WRRC (107.7 FM The Bronc) carried all Titans games, both over-the-air and through an Internet link, with Daryle Dobos calling the action.

The games were broadcast on radio during the first nine years of existence on WHWH, WBCB-AM, and WTSR, In 2008, the broadcasts switched to internet-only, and were handled by first-year play-by-play announcer Paul Roper, who was selected to broadcast the 2009 ECHL All-Star Game.

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Talk:Goals against average

remove (soccer)
I removed soccer because it's known that there aint no goaltenders in american football

Calculation accuracy
On how to calculate GAA, the first method was too far off and would be far from accurate. It's only be accurate if the goalie let in the same amount of goals in the same amount of mins. Ex: 2 GA x 60 divided by 180 = 2 GAA. Right way: Minutes: 3024 divided by 60 = 50.4 GA: 120 divided by 50.4 = 2.38. So does anyone agree with with me on this? Hasek is the best 01:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, your math is wrong on the first example: 2 GA x 60 = 120, divide by 180 you get a GAA of 0.67. which would be correct for 2 goals allowed in 3 complete game (or equivalent). Your second example is calculated correctly, however it describes a different scenario: 120 goals allowed in 3024 total minutes. Calculated in the same way as the first example: 120 GA x 60 = 7200 divided by 3024 = 2.38.

Another note: to calculate GAA for football (soccer) you need to use 90 instead of 60 since of course a football game is 90 minutes. Wschart 12:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

needs more references
this article needs a lot more references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.217.7 (talk) 08:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Any contribution you can make is appreciated. Ryanjo (talk) 19:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Are higher or lower numbers better?
This article completely fails to state whether higher numbers or lower numbers are better. I would assume lower numbers are better, since goals against are in the numerator, but the article is unclear about this. --JHP (talk) 21:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 * A strong need for a rewrite I agree. It should distinguish between the different sports in which the topic is applicable. Ice Hockey is best suited to be the default context but both international football (soccer in the USA) and lacrosse are also mentioned. The mathematical calculation method is too vague and would be improved by a specific reference calculation for a well known goal keeper, goalie, goal tender. The three different terms used frequently are all too often used interchangeably between the countries and sports so that confusion and misunderstanding prevail. As wikipedia is a common resource tool used across countries and cultural paradigms, a properly edited article enhancing the knowledge and applicability of same would be appreciated by all users. 65.129.128.169 (talk) 00:41, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Plus/minus

Goals
Do goals count toward plus/minus statistics when scored by or against a team with six skaters and an empty net?

 * Yes. It's not a man-advantage situation; the EN team just decided they didn't want a goalie any more :>  RGTraynor 16:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Isn't this stat tracked in other sports? I know it is in pro basketball...

what about the band +/-??

seemed to be some vandalism, i attempted to revert it. 72.138.36.125 (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Evaluation uses and article structure; statisticians
I can't agree with the statement that plus/minus is better suited for evaluating defensive forwards and defenders than offensive forwards. That may be how it is used but there is nothing inherent in how the statistic is calculated to support that statement.

It is also more accurate to say that the statistic is related to even-strength and shorthanded team performance for both offense and defense, not defensive performance.

Defense, i.e. the ability to prevent goals, is measured by comparing goals against divided by opportunities. Plus/minus may be used to evaluate defense but that is an interpretation of the statistic, not a description of how the statistic is constructed. Perhaps the article should be divided into two: a description of what the statistic is and a description of how it is interpreted, or at least, this should be better delineated than it is now.

Also, the use of the word statistician is incorrect. Statisticians compile statistics like plus/minus. Analysts make interpretations of statistics, like A has performed better than B.

Mike (talk) 01:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Point (ice hockey)

Should it be included in this page the third meaning of point in hockey: "The slang term for the defensive position on the opposing team's blue-line"?

Merge The point (ice hockey)
The point (ice hockey) covers part of this article, but that section is in slightly more detail. However, Point is overall a better article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.18.15.204 (talk) 23:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The point and a point are 2 very different things in hockey. Makes zero sense to combine the two. Marcus1060 (talk) 00:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge, I don't think this is a good faith request for merging. --  ISLANDERS  27  16:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose The point and point are two different subjects. -DJSasso (talk) 16:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Save percentage

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Does anybody know WHY it is called save percentage and expressed as a decimal fraction? Surely a save "percentage" of 0.911 should be expressed as a precentage of 91.1%? 161.12.7.4 (talk) 13:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Shot on goal (ice hockey)

Should a "Chance" in Ice Hockey be defined here as a result of a shot on goal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.200.193 (talk) 02:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I would say no. It is not uncommon for a team to have a "Chance" but miss the net so it would not be a SOG. Eomund (talk) 18:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

How is it that a "shot on goal" is commonly understood as defined here, but is left undefined in the rules? I have checked NH, ECHL and USA Hockey rule books for a definition and there is none. Justus R (talk) 19:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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User talk:PopeJP2

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. Academic Challenger 22:46, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Elite Ice Hockey League

Number of Teams
The league table on the official site seems to show that only 8 teams are competing in 2005-06. What happened to the other 2? Calsicol 13:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The Manchester Phoenix are not currently able to ice a team because they have no rink to play out of. They originally played at the MEN Arena but they were unable to afford the costs so withdrew their team from competition while a new building was constructed. This new building recently recieved planning permission so they should be back playing for the 2006-07 season.

 * The London Racers started this season but were forced to pull out because of concerns over the safety of their rink. The Racers management are hoping to be able to construct a more suitable rink of their own and should hopefully be able to return in a year or two.

 * Kim Williams 11:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Article name
I see that the contents of this page were copied to Elite Ice Hockey League without doing a proper move by an anonymous user. Since this was not discussed, didn't follow proper move procedure (which lost the edit history) and it is not clear to me that the article should really be under that name, I will revert the edits. If anyone thinks that the article really should not include the word "British", please discuss here. I'll even offer to do the move myself maintaining edit history integrity if consensus is to move it to that page. -- JamesTeterenko 23:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

It was me who moved the article. Apoligies as I wasn't aware that there was another procedure for doing it. The reason I moved it was because 'British' is not in the official title of the league. It is the "Elite Ice Hockey League". Other sporting leagues on this site do not include the country they're from in their title, the National Football League isn't the 'American National Football League', the National Rugby League isn't the 'Australian National Rugby League' and the National Provincial Championship isn't the 'New Zealand National Provisional Championship' for example. Perhaps more relevently, the Elitserien isn't the Swedish Elitserien (though 'Swedish Elite League' is a redirect to that page). --82.31.59.203 11:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * You have a good point. Note that the policy on naming doesn't necessary enforce official titles, but rather the most common title used.  In a nutshell, the policy states, "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature."  So, the argument should be what is most common, not necessarily what is official.  As a Canadian, I would normally hear about it and refer to it with "British" in the title.  However, I don't really have a problem with it not having British in the title.  I would suspect that the official title would be the most common title in Britain.  So, if no one objects to the move in the next few days, I'll move the article to "Elite Ice Hockey League".  By the way, you may wish to sign up for a user ID here.  One of the features that you get with it is the ability to move an article to a new title.  -- JamesTeterenko 19:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I have made the move. -- JamesTeterenko 06:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

External Links / See Also
So we need the external link to the club sites? These are all on the individual club pages, surely we'd be better off referring people to those first. Would a "See Also" section be useful for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.158.205 (talk • contribs)
 * I agree that the team web sites should only be an external links on the actual team article. -- JamesTeterenko 02:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Playoffs
I remember hearing that playoff groups have been dropped for the forthcoming season & it'll be a straight knock-out system instead, has anyone heard the same? Are there any links that suggest this? CharlieT 14:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You are right. I have amended the overview section to reflect this and added the source to the article on the Elite League's website.--JD554 07:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Passed
This article has passed the GA noms, if you disagree with this result feel free to take it to WP:GA/R. The following are suggestions for further improvement: Thanks, and I hope to see this article become FA-class. Tarret 14:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Include comparisons between the EIHL and other professional hockey leagues such as the NHL.
 * Include a section about how the league has been criticized.

Nottingham's foundation year
There seems to be a bit of disagreement over the somewhat ambiguous question of Nottingham's foundation year so rather than continual revision of each other's edits I thought it would be best if we sought some consensus. The dispute here is whether or not the year of the original Nottingham Panthers' foundation should be used on this article or the year that the modern Nottingham Panthers began play. There is also a third, lesser known option of 1939. To give a bit of background to those unfamiliar with it, the Panthers were founded in 1946 and played for fourteen seasons before being closed down in 1960. The team reformed twenty years later and has been playing ever since. There were also three games played by a team calling itself the Nottingham Panthers during the winter of 1939-40 though these were teams made up of Canadian airmen and simply friendly games.

I have always given 1946 as our foundation year and 1980 as the year of our 'reformation' and divided our history into the 'original' and 'modern' era. I have done this for several reasons.
 * The club count the history, honours and records of the 1946-1960 Panthers as their own. The banner we had at the stage end of the NIC last season included the honours won by the original Panthers alongside those of the modern Panthers. Our 60th anniversary was also marked during 2006-07.
 * On a similar note, websites such as panthershistory.co.uk and books like the Nottingham Panthers Statistical Guidebook and the Nottingham Panthers Factual Scrapbook do not differentiate between original and modern.
 * All of the Panthers supporters I know say 1946 as our foundation year. This includes people who supported the team through the original era.
 * It is something of the league joke and we are the subject of much ridicule over the fact that 'WE' haven't won the league since 1955-56. :-(

These are just my personal opinions on the matter and I'm happy to go along with the majority. PanthersGirl 16:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I have to agree with PanthersGirl for all the reasons she's given (much as it galls me to being a Steelers fan!). Ice Hockey Journalists UK also say in their history section that "Nottingham Panthers returned" rather than a new team formed with the same name. -- JD554 09:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers

Roger Clyne and The Peacemakers is an American rock band from Tempe, Arizona.

History
Roger Clyne and The Peacemakers formed in 1998, following the removal of Brian Blush and departure of Art Edwards from The Refreshments. Frontman Roger Clyne and drummer Paul "P.H." Naffah were originally joined by former Gin Blossoms member Scott Johnson, who left to rejoin his former band in 2002. James Swafford and Daryl Icard also appeared in the new lineup, but were unable to stay. Steve Larson, former guitarist for Dead Hot Workshop, also joined the band. In January 2009, it was announced that Larson would be departing and would be replaced by Railbenders frontman Jim Dalton on lead guitar.

In early 2004, shortly after the release of ¡Americano!, bassist Danny White left the band to start his own recording studio in Nashville, Tennessee. He was replaced by Nick Scropos, who had been the bassist for another Tempe band, Gloritone. Scropos recorded the bass track "Green and Dumb", on the band's debut CD, Honky Tonk Union.

In 2007, the Arizona Diamondbacks reached out to Roger Clyne and The Peacemakers to write a song for the team. The result, the "D-Backs Swing," is played in the stadium after every home game win, and the lyrics are used in advertisements.

The band debuted their own brand of tequila in 2011. It was named "Mexican Moonshine", after the band's own song of the same name, but was rebranded in 2021 to "Canción Tequila" to avoid the negative connotations of the word "moonshine."

Roger Clyne and The Peacemakers frequently tour the United States and host their own seaside music festival in Puerto Peñasco. In June 2019, they celebrated the 20th year of their official Circus Mexicus festival.

On July 2, 2019 Roger Clyne and The Peacemakers was inducted into the Arizona Music and Entertainment Hall of Fame. The event was held at the Tempe Center for the Arts.

Band members

 * Current members
 * Roger Clyne – lead vocals, rhythm guitar, harmonica, kazoo (1998–present)
 * Paul "P.H." Naffah – drums, percussion, backing vocals (1998–present)
 * Nick Scropos – bass guitar, backing vocals (1998, 2004–present)
 * Jim Dalton – lead guitar, backing vocals (2009–present)

 * Former members
 * Scott "Scotty" Johnson – lead guitar, backing vocals (1998–2002)
 * Danny White – bass guitar, backing vocals (1998–2004)
 * Steve Larson – lead guitar, backing vocals (1998–2009)

 * Touring guests

 * James Anthony Peters – percussion (2007–present)
 * Javier "Escubi" Gamez – trumpet (2007–present)
 * Jon Villa – trumpet (2007–present)

Discography

 * Honky Tonk Union (1999)
 * Real to Reel (2000)
 * Sonoran Hope and Madness (2002)
 * ¡Americano! (2004)
 * Live at Billy Bob's Texas (2005)
 * Four Unlike Before (2006)
 * No More Beautiful World (2007)
 * Turbo Ocho (2008)
 * Glow in the Dark (2009)
 * Unida Cantina (2011)
 * The Independent (2014)
 * Native Heart (2017)
 * Live at the Belly Up (2017)

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Bombardier BiLevel Coach

The BiLevel Coach is a bilevel passenger railcar currently built by Alstom and previously by Bombardier, Hawker Siddeley Canada, the Canadian Car and Foundry (Can Car), and the UTDC. Used by North American commuter rail operators, they hold 360 passengers and feature a distinctive octagonal profile.

History
The BiLevel coaches were designed by Toronto's regional commuter rail service, GO Transit and Hawker Siddeley Canada in the mid-1970s as a more efficient replacement for GO's original single-deck coaches and cab cars. Later coaches were manufactured by Urban Transportation Development Corporation/Can-Car and, most recently, Bombardier. Alstom purchased Bombardier in 2021 and now owns the designs and manufacturing facility. There are more than 1,500 BiLevel coaches in service today, all of which have been built in Thunder Bay, Ontario.

The coaches have gone over numerous design changes over the years, originally featuring more shorter windows and larger intermediate levels featuring the washroom on the aforementioned level, and 162 seats in the original series'. Now featuring fewer taller windows, smaller intermediate levels, 136 seats, and a fully accessible washroom on the lower level. The exterior was also changed from being riveted fibreglass sides to being welded steel panels featuring a cleaner look.

Construction
BiLevel coaches have an aluminum body on a steel frame. They are 15 ft high, 9 ft wide, and weigh about 61000 kg. They hold 136–162 seated passengers and 276 standees (depending on coach series and seat configuration) and have two pairs of doors on each side

Some of the newer coaches have electrical outlets for laptop computers and other devices along with small tables. Newer coaches feature 2 outlets and 2 USB ports at every other seat.

All newly built coaches since 1990 have a fully accessible washroom on the lower level; the original coaches for GO Transit have the washroom on the intermediate level in the same location as where the cab is located in cab cars, one prototype coach featured both the intermediate level washroom and the fully accessible lower level washroom, the intermediate washroom now being removed. The washrooms feature a stainless-steel chemical flush toilet, sink, mirrors, waste receptacles, air dryers, and occupancy lamps. The lower level washroom is accessible, featuring wide doors and grab bars. The older intermediate level washroom is much smaller in size.

Older coaches featured water fountains and cup dispensers on the intermediate level connected to the washroom, which were removed due to harmless bacterial contamination found inside them.

Older coaches also featured retractable coat hooks at every seat, which were removed in the 2000s due to the installation of priority emergency alarm buttons for passengers.

TV's were installed on select GO Transit coaches in 2007 to play weather, news, and sports. They were later removed due to the transition to digital transmissions and the incompatibility between the TV's and digital broadcasting.

West Coast Express has a quick service cafe in place of the lower level accessible washroom, named The Station Express Café. The cafe offers hot food, such as breakfast rolls, pastries, instant noodles, and coffee for purchase. It also offers light snacks, such as chocolate bars, chips, and muffins. One major variant is the cab car. In 2014, Metrolinx (the provincial agency operating GO Transit) and Bombardier announced a new cab car design, which included a larger cab end and crash-energy management crumple zones. The new cab car has been purchased by Sounder Commuter Rail, Altamont Corridor Express, and COASTER.

BiLevel coaches have 480 V head-end power (HEP) systems except those for GO Transit, which have 575 V HEP systems (The 575 V HEP system is a Canadian standard, having been previously used by CN for their Tempo cars) A 575 V HEP power unit is supplied with GO coaches leased to other operators and GO leases locomotives with 480 V HEP when they lease coaches from other agencies.

Comparison with other Bombardier bilevel coaches
Bombardier also produced two other bilevel railway coach models, the MultiLevel and the Double-deck Coach. The MultiLevel conforms to a smaller loading gauge than the BiLevel for the tighter clearances found on the Washington, D.C.–Boston Northeast Corridor and the Mont Royal Tunnel used by Exo in Montréal. It has doors on the middle level rather than the lower level in order to serve the high-level platforms in those two regions. The Double-deck Coach is designed, built and operated in Germany; it conforms to the German loading gauge and features a cross-sectional profile that narrows towards the upper level.

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Talk:Johnson cult

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The Bartholomew-Billings article indicates that the ridicule of the Johnson Cult was spread in part because the Aussie govt. didn't want to deal with the "Johnsonites'" political grievances. Could be a worthy contribution to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KJJ (talk • contribs) 22:50, 18 April 2005 (UTC)

Original research
This article contains a lot of what seems like original research, and it has no cites. I removed some of the most egregious offenses (like the paragraph interpreting the events through Marxist historiography), but it needs more work.--Cúchullain t / c 07:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I've clarified the nature of the "cult" based on the Bartholomew & Billings article, inserted a quote, added relevent categories, and removed the "cargo cult" category, since this clearly is not a cargo cult. Aridd (talk) 10:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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