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Schadenfreude
How about incorporating some failed gimmics. I am thinking mainly product gimmicks here... for example, the keymatic system introduced by hoover mentioned in the article on washing machines. Or the barcode reader on panasonic video recorders for setting the timer (before VideoPlus)

Uncategorized
This Gimmick article has yet to be categorized. What category should it be placed under?
 * i would suggest categorizing under these: Consumer_behaviour, Product management, Marketing_techniques or Marketing_terminology. Peacefool (talk) 13:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

excitable adults
There should be some kind of medal for the use of the term "excitable adults". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.228.74 (talk) 17:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a suggestion to improve the article? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Casa Sanchez
Given that the restaurant got national press coverage and decided to resume the tattoo offer in 2010, it might be a bit strong to say that this gimmick "failed". --McGeddon (talk) 09:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

 * OK. I had planned to include a sub-section on successful gimmicks, but for a variety of reasons, decided against that. If you want to do something along those lines, and include Casa Sanchez there, that would be great. I was invited to see what could be done to save this article from possible deletion. I think that has been accomplished. But I have no further interest in editing this page. BronHiggs (talk) 00:46, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Re: Casa Sanchez Foods versus Casa Sanchez tacqueria. The article clearly states that the tacqueria was a family-owned business and does not mention Casa Sanchez Foods. If you have local knowledge about the restaurant being part of a large chain or conglomerate, fair enough. But I am not American and am not in possession of this type of local knowledge, so I can only work from the article itself. In addition, it may have been important to an understanding the scale of the potential losses to appreciate that it was a family business. All things considered, and given that the promotion apparently generated a lot of media coverage, I think it is probably best to move this case out of failed gimmicks and create a new section for 'successful gimmicks'. I will leave it to you to act on this. BronHiggs (talk) 07:20, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

 * The logo of Casa Sanchez Foods is the "boy in a sombrero riding an ear of corn" described in the article and sources here, and it describes itself as a family-run business. --McGeddon (talk) 09:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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German submarine U-859

German submarine U-859 was a Type IXD2 U-boat built for Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine during World War II. She was one of a select number of U-boats to join Monsun Gruppe or Monsoon Group, which operated in the Far East alongside the Imperial Japanese Navy.

Construction
U-859 was built in Bremen during 1942 and 1943, and was heavily adapted following her completion in July 1943, with the addition of a snorkel to enable her to stay underwater for longer during the hazardous passage to Penang in Malaya. Thus she was not ready for war service until the spring of 1944, when following her working up period and modifications she departed Kiel for the East.

Design
German Type IXD2 submarines were considerably larger than the original Type IXs. U-859 had a displacement of 1610 t when at the surface and 1799 t while submerged. The U-boat had a total length of 87.58 m, a pressure hull length of 68.50 m, a beam of 7.50 m, a height of 10.20 m, and a draught of 5.35 m. The submarine was powered by two MAN M 9 V 40/46 supercharged four-stroke, nine-cylinder diesel engines plus two MWM RS34.5S six-cylinder four-stroke diesel engines for cruising, producing a total of 9000 PS for use while surfaced, two Siemens-Schuckert 2 GU 345/34 double-acting electric motors producing a total of 1000 shp for use while submerged. She had two shafts and two 1.85 m propellers. The boat was capable of operating at depths of up to 200 m.

The submarine had a maximum surface speed of 20.8 kn and a maximum submerged speed of 6.9 kn. When submerged, the boat could operate for 121 nmi at 2 kn; when surfaced, she could travel 12750 nmi at 10 kn. U-859 was fitted with six 53.3 cm torpedo tubes (four fitted at the bow and two at the stern), 24 torpedoes, one 10.5 cm SK C/32 naval gun, 150 rounds, and a 3.7 cm Flak M42 with 2575 rounds as well as two 2 cm C/30 anti-aircraft guns with 8100 rounds. The boat had a complement of fifty-five.

Service history
Although U-859 only had a single war patrol from which she never returned, her six month career was highly eventful and carried her halfway across the world and into an entirely different theatre of conflict.

Commanded by Kapitänleutnant Johann Jebsen, U-859 sailed from Kiel for Penang on 4 April 1944, carrying 31 tons of mercury in metal flasks destined for use in the Japanese munitions industry. She avoided shipping lanes and during her time in the North Atlantic, remained submerged for 23 hours every day, running on her schnorkel, surfacing for just one hour per day at 23:00, later reduced to 15 minutes.

Colin
Three weeks into her voyage, Jebsen saw a target he could not refuse. The Colin, formerly an Italian freighter taken over by American authorities and registered in Panama, was slowly steaming unescorted in the North Atlantic following engine failure. Three torpedoes sank her before U-859 went on her way southwards.

The boat's voyage continued smoothly for the next two months, and she rounded the Cape of Good Hope and entered the Indian Ocean without further trouble. On 5 July she was spotted by a Lockheed Ventura aircraft, which swooped down on the boat only to be brought down by the anti-aircraft guns. There were no survivors from the aircraft's crew. One rating of U-859 was killed and one officer seriously injured. (Other sources say the attacking plane was a Catalina anti-submarine-plane).

John Barry
Her second victim was her most famous, and became one of the most famous treasure shipwrecks of the Twentieth Century. The unescorted Liberty ship SS John Barry was transporting a cargo of 3 million silver one-riyal coins from Aden to Ras Tanura in the Persian Gulf as part of an American government agreement with the Saudi royal family; the silver coins had been minted in America for Saudi monarch King Abdul Aziz Al-Saud and were stacked in huge boxes in the hold, and went down with the ship when she was torpedoed at 15.16667°N, 55.3°W, about 100 nmi south of the entrance to the Arabian Sea. A massive salvage operation in 1994 succeeded in retrieving many of the lost coins.

Troilus
Three days later another unescorted merchantman, the British Troilus was also sunk, with six hands drowned.

Fate
On 23 September 1944 U-859 was running on the surface, within 23 nmi of Penang and the end of her voyage, when she was intercepted in the Malacca Straits by the British submarine HMS Trenchant (P331), which had been forewarned of her arrival date and route by decrypted German signals. In difficult conditions with a heavy swell running and a second U-boat thought to be lurking, Trenchant's commander Arthur Hezlet carried out a snap attack using his stern torpedo tubes, hitting U-859 amidships. The U-boat sank immediately in 50 m of water with several compartments flooded, and 47 men drowned, including her commander.

Twenty of the crew did manage to escape however, opening the hatch in the relatively shallow sea and struggling to the calm surface. Eleven of the survivors were picked up by HMS Trenchant immediately following the sinking, and the remaining nine were picked up by the Japanese after being adrift for 24 hours and were taken ashore to await repatriation.

Salvage
In 1972 a total of 12 tons of mercury were recovered from U-859 and brought into Singapore. The West German Embassy claimed ownership of the mercury. The Receiver of Wreck took possession of the mercury, and the High Court of Singapore ruled that "the German state has never ceased to exist despite Germany's unconditional surrender in 1945 and whatever was the property of the German State, unless it was captured and taken away by one of the Allied Powers, still remains the property of the German State..."

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Hordak

Hordak is a fictional demonic character in the Masters of the Universe franchise who opposes She-Ra and He-Man, as well as the franchise's main villain, Skeletor, to whom he was once a mentor, and the cause of the latter's ambition and pursuits of evil. Hordak is the main antagonist of the She-Ra: Princess of Power animated series, in which he is the archenemy of She-Ra, He-Man's twin sister.

In this series, he rules the planet of Etheria with an army of Horde Troopers, most of whom wear a red bat symbol on their chests to convey their allegiance. According to most story media, Skeletor betrayed Hordak and trapped him in "another dimension" before beginning his own conquest of the planet Eternia. Hordak, not to be outdone, then returned with a vengeance to take over Eternia for himself.

Hordak is recognizable by his white (sometimes cream/bone colored) face, with sharp red eyes, his flat snout-like nose, red fangs, and pointed bat-like ears. He wears a collar of bones and black armor over his chest, emblazoned with the Horde bat symbol. His appearance resembles a bat-like creature, although in some media he appears more cyborg-like. Whenever he talks, he pauses his talking by snorting between his statements. According to the toy line's creator Roger Sweet, his face was modeled on an African witch doctor's mask.

He-Man and She-Ra:The Secret of the Sword (1985 animated film)
In 1985, Filmation, the studio which produced the He-Man cartoon series, released a full-length 91-minute feature film titled The Secret of the Sword also known as He-Man and She-Ra: The Secret of the Sword. The movie transitioned from a focus on He-Man to an introduction of Adam's/He-Man's twin sister Adora, whom the film reveals to have been abducted, as an infant, by Hordak and Skeletor. Hordak raised Adora to be a warrior and captain for his Evil Horde and hid her true heritage from her. The film reveals that He-Man's power sword also has a twin, the Sword of Protection, which, when wielded by Adora to summon the power of Grayskull, transforms her into She-Ra, the female counterpart to He-Man. The movie grossed over three times its two-million-dollar production budget. It was later divided into several shorter segments and aired on television as the first several episodes of the He-Man & MOTU spinoff series She-Ra: Princess of Power.

She-Ra: Princess of Power (1985)
Hordak and the Evil Horde originally appeared in the Filmation cartoon series She-Ra: Princess of Power. Hordak is the main antagonist of the show and is portrayed as a ruthless tyrant, who delights in the pain and misery of others, including his own minions. He rules Etheria from his headquarters, the Fright Zone. He has the ability to transform all and/or parts of his body (usually his arm/s) into a wide variety of mechanical weapons and devices, including cannons, rockets, tanks, saw blades, drills, and flamethrowers. His powers seem to be derived from a combination of magic and science. Horde Prime, who is possibly his brother, is the evil ruler of the galaxy-spanning Horde Empire. Their home planet is known as Horde World. The Horde employs a vast army of robots, tanks, aircraft, spaceships, and other advanced technology to allow them to conquer and enslave planets. An assortment of the most horrible creatures in the universe serves the Horde as the leaders of its robotic army. He also is obsessed with getting revenge on his treacherous former pupil Skeletor.

He-Man & She-Ra: A Christmas Special (1985)
At the height of the conjoined popularity of the He-Man and The Masters of The Universe and She-Ra: Princess of Power cartoons, Filmation produced this made for television Christmas movie and aired it in syndication during the 1985 Christmas Holiday season. The original He-Man and The Masters of The Universe cartoon series had aired its final new episode the prior month and continued to air in re-run episodes for some time after. Its sister show, She-Ra: Princess of Power was still in its first season. The Christmas special reunited twins He-Man and She-Ra in their biggest joint adventure since the Secret of The Sword. It commences with Queen Marlena reflecting nostalgically about Christmases on Earth, and, after a series of misadventures set in motion by Orko, climaxes with a confrontation that pits He-Man, She-Ra, and Skeletor (whose bone-hard heart has been briefly softened by a pair of Earthling children, a peculiar pup, and Christmas Spirit) against Hordak and Horde-Prime.

Masters of the Universe vs. The Snake Men (2002–2004)
In the new continuity of the 2002 Mike Young Productions animated series Masters of the Universe vs. The Snake Men, Hordak played the role of the ultimate evil in Eternia and the power behind Skeletor. Here, he is depicted as a non-technological sorcerer warlord from ancient Eternia (Preternia), who opposed Castle Grayskull's original ruler, King Grayskull, with a massive army of soldiers, sorcerers, and his original henchmen. The conflict ended when Hordak commanded his sorcerers to draw Castle Grayskull into the dark dimension of Despondos. The spell failed with King Grayskull's intervention, only destroying the area around the castle and drawing Hordak and his army into the dimension instead. However, Hordak's spirit that was ripped from his body managed to mortally wound Grayskull before being imprisoned. While trapped in Despondos, Hordak saved Keldor's life after he failed to assassinate the Eternian Elders, and had acid splashed in his face when it was deflected by Captain Randor. Hordak saved Keldor by magically removing the damaged flesh and altering his body into a more demonic form, leaving him with a skeletal appearance. Having saved his life on the promise of a later price to be paid, Hordak renamed Keldor as Skeletor. It can be noted that Hordak was far more threatening towards his minions than Skeletor was. In the episode "The Power of Grayskull", Hordak completely destroys one of his generals using telepathy simply for giving him good advice that he did not want to hear.

At a much later date, Hordak calls upon Skeletor to free him from Despondos, and Skeletor initially seems powerless to resist his mentor. However, Skeletor surprises the onlooking Evil-Lyn and He-Man by defiantly destroying Hordak's temple, thus hoping to seal his former master away forever.

Soon after Evil-Lyn attempts to free Hordak through different means with the help of Count Marzo, but after He-Man destroys the Well of Darkness, Marzo absorbs the power of his amulet and flees. It is also revealed that Hordak is responsible for creating this series' Dark Hemisphere on Eternia by performing the Spell of Separation.

Hordak was intended to be released in the new toy line, as well as being the main villain in the third season of the cartoon series. According to Ian Richter of Mattel, who initiated most of the storylines in the cartoon, Hordak was going to conquer Eternia in Season Three and serve as the main antagonist of the season before finally being overcome by Skeletor. However, the toy line and cartoon series were both canceled after the show's second season, so the third season was never produced.

She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (2018–2020)
Hordak serves as the main antagonist of the first four seasons of She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. This version of Hordak is a defective clone of Horde Prime, who served as his top general before being sent on a suicide mission when his body began to fail him. He crash-landed on Etheria after falling through a portal into the otherwise empty Despondos dimension; there he created his own branch of the Horde in an attempt to conquer Etheria in order to prove his worth to Horde Prime. He also tries to create a portal that will allow him to summon Horde Prime after the conquest is complete.

During the first season, Hordak's patience is tried by his second-in-command, the sorceress Shadow Weaver, as he considers her obsession with bringing back Horde defector Adora a distraction from their goal. He promotes Catra to the rank of Force Captain, grants her extra authority, and then, when Catra's attack on the rebel stronghold of Bright Moon nearly succeeds, appoints her as his new second-in-command. Throughout the second and third seasons, Hordak gradually begins to lose faith in Catra's competence, and he falls in love with engineer princess Entrapta, who becomes his research partner on portal technology and his first real friend. When the portal device proves unstable and nearly destroys the planet, Catra tricks Hordak into believing Entrapta betrayed him, and exiles her to cover her tracks. Although the portal is destroyed by She-Ra, it sends a signal to Horde Prime, who pin-points Hordak's location.

In the fourth season, forced by Catra into accelerating the conquest of Etheria, Hordak begins to take a more active role in the war and enjoys a series of military victories. When Hordak learns the truth about Entrapta's exile, he attacks Catra, but she defeats him. Horde Prime's forces arrive at Etheria after the planet is freed from Despondos and Hordak is teleported to his ship. Disgusted by his clone's independent actions, Horde Prime wipes Hordak's mind and sends him away to be "reconditioned". In the fifth and final season, Hordak is reintegrated into Horde Prime's clone army, but his memories begin to return to him after finding the First Ones' crystal Entrapta gave to him and later when encountering Entrapta herself. In the series finale, he turns against Horde Prime and regains his independence to protect Entrapta, but his body is taken over by him. After She-Ra disables the Heart of Etheria and stops Horde Prime from destroying the universe with it, she erases his soul once and for all, therefore, freeing Hordak from his control, and he happily reunites with Entrapta.

Masters of the Universe: Revelation/Revolution (2021–2024)
Hordak's face can be briefly seen in the very last scene of the second part, as the red emblem appears on Mistress Motherboard's head as she manages to enslave Skeletor. The character returns in the third part, Revolution, with his voice provided by Keith David. Depicted as the former master of Keldor, whom he has transformed into Skeletor, Hordak has Motherboard have the enslaved "SkeleTek" serve him once more, before she unwittingly restores his memories of being Keldor and he challenges Hordak directly after cutting off Motherboard's head. After Skeletor apparently kills Hordak, he is defeated by He-Man, while Hordak is revealed to be alive in a recovery tank on his ship, as his superior, Despara, prepares to take him back to Horde Prime.

He Man and the Masters of the Universe (2021)
Hordak appears briefly at the end of the third season finale, "The End of the Beginning", voiced by Kevin Conroy in his final voice acting role. After initially appearing as Evil-Lyn's bat spirit, Horakoth, he saves her from the Grayskull-Havoc-empowered Skeletor's omnicidal rampage. After Skeletor's defeat, Hordak drops Evil-Lyn to safety in a desolate crater, revealing his true form to her, and causing the sky to turn blood red. When asked what he wants, Hordak explains that he wants her as a herald to announce the Horde's oncoming arrival. Upon being told that she's no one's servant, Hordak assures her that she's his equal, as well as his daughter.

In the Masters of the Universe toy line
Hordak and his Evil Horde were incorporated into Mattel's Masters of the Universe toy line in 1985, to reinvigorate the line by introducing a new group of villains as adversaries to both He-Man and Skeletor. While Horak's personal minicomic, packaged with the Hordak toy, was "Hordak: The Ruthless Leader's Revenge!" (in which he returns from the dimension in which he was imprisoned to wreak vengeance on Skeletor, while also making his own attempts to destroy He-Man and conquer Castle Grayskull), Hordak's first appearances were in the Grizzlor included minicomic "Grizzlor: The Legend Comes Alive" and in the She-Ra included minicomic "The Story of She-Ra", both of which were created prior to the minicomic which came with Hordak himself. It is uncertain whether the Grizzlor mini-comic or the She-ra minicomic came first, but both were created at about the same time by the same artists. It is notable that in those two minicomics, Hordak, for the only time in the entire original minicomic run, wears a silver cuirass (breastplate armor) and retains the blue skin (paired with a starkly white face) that would continue to be featured in his "She-Ra: Princess of Power" incarnation, but which would soon give way to grey skin and an eggshell/off-white face in his action figure and in all subsequent mini-comics of the original (1980s) He-Man/Masters of The Universe era. His character is presented as a sorcerer who has now turned his attention mainly to science, and uses a combination of magic and science, but mainly the latter, in his attempts on Eternia. He was apparently involved in events in Eternia's past such as the building of The Three Towers, which is alluded to in some of the mini-comics that came packaged with the action figures.

A second version of the character, 1986's Hurricane Hordak, with vac-metalized gold armor and an arsenal of spinning weapons, was released as a counterpart to the Flying Fists He-Man and Terror Claws Skeletor figures of the same year.

The third action figure of the character, Buzz-Saw Hordak, has become a very rare and sought-after collector's item. This toy's rare existence can be attributed to it being released in 1987, which was toward the end of the toy series original run. The mint condition (known as MOC / Mint on Card) version of this figure can fetch high dollars on auction sites such as eBay.

In other media
While Hordak came to be generally recognized as She-Ra's main adversary, most story media outside of the cartoon focuses more on Hordak as one of He-Man's arch-enemies. He features predominantly in the Star and Marvel comic series in the US as an enemy of He-Man, and also in the London Editions comics in the UK. London Editions also published a short-lived She-Ra comic series, which also stars Hordak as the main villain, explaining that he divides his time between his rulership on Etheria and his attempts at conquering Eternia. The UK comics also state that there are two Fright Zones that he operates from, one on Etheria and one on Eternia, the latter resembling Mattel's Fright Zone playset. The UK comics state that he comes from the world of Academica, apparently a world dominated by science and industry.

Hordak features prominently on DC Comics version of Masters of the Universe.

Relationship with Horde Prime
In the Filmation series and later comics derived from its continuity, Horde Prime is the only being with authority over Hordak as well as his Horde inspectors, for he is the intergalactic ruler of the Horde Empire, with control over all Horde regimes. He apparently hails from a world known as Horde World although his exact background has never been revealed. All that has ever been seen of Horde Prime is a gigantic skeletal robotic arm, which suggests he is some sort of cyborg. He travels the universe in his spaceship, the Velvet Glove, keeping watch over the Horde's universal activities.

It has been speculated (but never confirmed) that in the original continuity Horde Prime may be Hordak's brother. The main reason for this comes from the episode "The Peril of Whispering Woods", the first She-Ra episode to allude to Horde Prime. In this episode, we see Horde Prime's son, Prince Zed, who addresses Hordak as 'uncle'. This could suggest that Prime is Hordak's brother or brother-in-law, but it is also possible that Zed only called him 'uncle' as a friendly term, or he is on Zed's mother's side. However, a letter from this episode said "your nephew" stating that Hordak is his uncle but we don't know on which side.

It has not yet been confirmed whether or not Filmation's writers conceived Prime as Hordak's brother. However, he is referred to as such in the Character Profiles in Disc 6 of the She-Ra Season One DVD set.

Two UK She-Ra annuals in the mid-1980s state that Hordak is Prime's brother, but these operate within a canon independent of the cartoon and also altered Horde Prime's name, referring to him as 'Prime Horde'. The UK He-Man comics state explicitly in one issue that Horde Prime is not Hordak's brother, but again these operate within an independent canon, and Prime is depicted with a completely different appearance from the cartoon.

She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (2018–2020)
In the Netflix/DreamWorks reboot, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, Hordak is one of the many clones of Horde Prime, who cloned himself to build a vast army to conquer everything in his path. Hordak served as Horde Prime's top general until he was revealed to be defective, and was cast out by Horde Prime, as a result, sent to die on the front lines, only for a portal to open and transport him to the planet Etheria in the empty dimension of Despondos. Horde Prime is also shown to frequently call Hordak his "little brother" despite him being abusive and considering Hordak as a wayward extension of himself.

Masters of the Universe Classics
In 2008, Mattel debuted the Masters of the Universe Classics (MOTUC) line of action figures. This line was to be sold exclusively on its collector-centered website, mattycollector.com. This line features classic MOTU characters sculpted in an updated style with added articulation by renowned toy sculptors The Four Horsemen. Currently, the MOTUC line has no comprehensive backstory, but the figures' packaging does include short character bios that merge elements from various incarnations of the franchise, as well as some newly developed information to form a new, distinct MOTUC continuity.

Hordak's MOTUC bio states that his birth name is Hec-Tor Kur, second-born heir to the Horde Empire, who came to Eternia while battling He-Ro. Hec-Tor adopted the name "Hordak" and eventually raised an army to battle against the Snake Men for rule over Eternia. Eventually, Hordak's army defeated the Snake Men, but it was then defeated by King Grayskull, who banished Hordak to the dimension of Despondos. The official product description also refers to him as Hordak's brother.

Powers and abilities
In the Filmation series, Hordak possesses an array of powers. Unlike his treacherous former pupil Skeletor, who relies mostly on magic, the majority of Hordak's powers are seemingly the product of science. He is capable of transforming himself in a variety of ways. For example, he can turn his arm into an energy cannon, become a massive tank, and even transport himself over great distances by becoming a rocket. In the episode "The Stone in the Sword", Hordak even transforms his arm into a vacuum cleaner. Although mechanical in result, these transformations may have been magically instigated, as they occur instantaneously with an eerie glow and sound effect.

The minicomics and Marvel Star comic books depict Hordak as using magic to a greater extent, more so than science. He is shown to be a powerful dark mage of equal or greater power to Skeletor. However, in almost every canon Skeletor defeats or kills Hordak. He defeated Hordak multiple times in Filmation and was scheduled to defeat him in the MYP cartoon series. In the Classics canon, he outright kills Hordak.

As was the case with Skeletor and He-Man, Hordak received later action-figure iterations that had new special features. As Hurricane Hordak, he has the power to discharge violent whirlwinds via mechanical rotor-blades that replace his right hand. As Buzz-Saw Hordak, he can launch a deadly spinning buzz-saw-like a projectile from his chest. The accompanying minicomics explain the origins of both seemingly technological powers in clearly magical terms.

In the 2002 Mike Young Productions cartoon, Hordak briefly appears in flashbacks and in astral form via "dimensional portals". He is depicted as a supremely powerful magic-user, seemingly of vastly greater power than Skeletor, and with no apparent reliance on technology whatsoever, other than his Horde Troopers, although it is unknown if these redesigned minions are still intended to be robots like the original versions.

In the 2018 Netflix/DreamWorks reboot, Hordak is extremely intelligent with "a brilliant, technological mind". Part of Hordak's intelligence includes a firmly pragmatic streak in his personality that endeavors to direct his minions to practical goals while maintaining relatively good relations with them such as encouraging them to pursue projects he finds worthwhile. He also wears an exo-armor that serves as his life support, later upgraded with First One's technology to give him superhuman strength. In the fourth season, Hordak starts wielding a powerful energy cannon on his right arm similar to the original series when he starts actively fighting battles.

Reception
In February 2017, Comic Book Resources ranked the character third among "Eternia’s 15 Mightiest Villains".

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Pleep, It's good that you are enjoying reading wikipedia and feel inspired to participate. I assume you are becoming acquainted with all the information in the Community Portal on style and what makes a "good" article; I'm still reading that myself to improve my edits. One interesting page is Style and How-to Directory and another is Make only links relevant to the context. Supposedly some aspects of that overall page are in dispute in that page's Discussion tab at the top of it (the talk page), however.

I've been told previously to only add brackets linking to another article once in an article so I went ahead and followed that method in proofreading the 4AD article format. Throwing Muses and Pixies are shown linked with brackets in the first paragraph of the 4AD article. Therefore we supposedly don't need to add brackets again to those bands or any already linked in the first paragraph. It supposedly makes it too "busy" when we add too many brackets, so that is why I only bracket a band or word once in an article. However, I can see that the page is unusual because it's mostly a list so far, so I may rethink this later if it seems like it's a problem. When I first arrived, I thought I was supposed to put a link every time a word or name appeared, and still sometimes catch myself doing it. Sometimes it's hard to know what to do.

I think someone who has the time to improve the article by writing a little more about the label's history could really help the article. There are some good sources for info on the label out there.

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User:Dansab

Dan Sabadas is my name. history and programming are my hobbies.

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Damtshaa diamond mine

The Damtshaa diamond mine is a diamond mine located in Botswana about 220 km (137 miles) west of the city of Francistown. Damtshaa, meaning "water for a tortoise", is owned by Debswana, a partnership between the De Beers company, Aquarius Global Resources and the government of Botswana. It is the newest of four mines operated by the company, officially opening on October 25, 2003.

Damtshaa is of open pit construction, located on top of four distinct kimberlite pipes of varying ore grade. The mine is forecast to produce about 5 million carats (1,000 kg) of diamond from 39 million tons of ore over the projected 31 year life of the mine. In 2003, the Damtshaa mine produced 292,000 carats (58.4 kg). Recovered ore grade averages about 0.6 carats (12 mg) per metric ton. The ore produced at Damtshaa is processed at a processing plant at its sister mine, the Orapa diamond mine, about 20 km distant. The Damtshaa mine is also managed from the Orapa mine, and is included in Orapa's and Letlhakane's safety and environmental programs, meaning that Damtshaa is also ISO 14001 certified. Damtshaa employs around 180 people.

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Hello MySamoanAttorney!

Sorry for not replying sooner! I started writing you a reply, then as usual it was too long so I had to stop. I just came back to it now. I made it shorter.

The Métro de Montréal is not multilingual: it is in French. In a number of places, it uses universal symbols (pictures, colors) because some people cannot read, but it is in French. In the majority of Canadian cities outside Quebec, the signs are going to be in English only. There is no debate on the question over there : you speak the language of the majority or you die.

Being from Europe, you probably think the signs should be in all the languages in the world. For the sake of security, for the lost refugee who doesn't speak French, I would agree. But since we can't put them all, which ones are we going to put on? The answer is "only those spoken by large linguistic communities". In America, that means English in the North, Spanish to the South and maybe some others in certain areas. But what tells us that our lost refugee speaks any of these two languages? Nothing. The odds are that if he is a refugee, he speaks a language most people have never even heard of in America.

So we put up a sign with big great red letters that says Sortie. What message does this send to people who understand French : the exit is here. What message does it send to people who do not understand even basic words of French? It sends the message that in this place of the world, Montreal, Quebec, French is required. French is the language people are expected to speak to some degree. This of course doesn't mean they should forget the other language(s) they may speak. It only encourages them to learn French if they do not speak it already.

Is there a universal sign for exit? If there were one, I would agree that it could legitimately replace Sortie. But there is a reason why the Sortie sign was put in French only. It was done on purpose by people who care about worldwide linguistic diversity + the freedom of the Quebec people to speak its own language at home. We want French to be universally spoken by all the citizens of Quebec (as a first, second or third language) the same way that English is universally spoken by all in the rest of North America. That is the only way to safeguard Quebec French and the Culture of Quebec in the long run. This strategy is necessary to keep Quebec a French-speaking state, otherwize, French would rapidely make way to English in the current geopolitical context.

People are encouraged to learn other languages in Quebec. However, the reality is that people here feel an enormous pressure to all learn the same language : English. If we did all learn English, Montreal, a North American city, would be recolonized by a majority of English speakers in less than 100 years and it would be for good this time. Thinking that we are so open minded by learning English and using it daily in Montreal is collective suicide. Whenever we speak English in Montreal, we are sending the signal that there is no need to learn French in this city. We are saying to the world: Montreal is like Boston or Toronto, no difference. Bilingual Francophones become invisible: they become Canadians who can speak English with a funny accent. Why learn their language? We don't do it for any other community, do we?

For the sake of security, we want the security messages to be understood by the greater number. Since that is not possible (we can't write all the languages on the sign) we discriminate the less spoken languages. Welcome to Quebec : discriminating against the less spoken languages is not something we believe in.

When I am in Boston, I speak English out of respect for the people who live there. Yes, I know that all the nationalities of the world are represented in this city. All minorities of Boston speak English or want to learn it if they don't: that's normality. The minorities accept that they are in the USA and that in the USA the culture is English. It would be as straightforward in Montreal if Quebec were an independent state. But it is not: It is a former French colony turned into a British colony by force in 1760, then crushed in 1837-38 when it tried to emancipate.

Are we going to be a colony of Canada forever? Are we going to be swimming against the current forever?

On language policies
In North America, there is a pressure to learn English. This pressure is of course felt in Canada where the majority speak English. It is even felt in Quebec where 82% of the people speak French primarily.

To get the correct picture, imagine that, let's say, France somehow takes over Germany during a great war. After this war, France initiates programs to implant a French population in their newly acquired territory. Of course, to calm the German population down, the French imperial government gives the Germans "provincial autonomy" and the illusion of equality. The Germans are told: "We will treat you as equals. You will have all the same rights that we the French nationals have, and on top of that, because we are very generous, we will let you speak your German language. In the German province, we will set up bilingual institutions." Because the Germans are an intelligent people, some of them replied: "But to be treated as equals, wouldn't we need for the bilingual institutions to be setup in France as well? Because otherwize, it seems to us that what will happen is that French speakers will speak French in France as they did before and speak French in Germany because of the bilingual institutions. Meanwhile, We the German speakers will not be able to speak German in France, because the institutions will be French only, and we will have to speak French and German in Germany so that the French settlers may better ignore our language."

This scenario might seem really silly, but that's the history of Quebec. We were a French speaking colony on its way to become a nation (like all other colonies in America) but then one day our beloved country fell to the British army. The British goverment decided to do what France or Spain would have done in the same position, they decided to transplant a population of its own nationals to Quebec to assimilate Quebecers. To make a very long story short, let's just say that because our ancestors didn't find it funny to let a handful of unelected British nobles decide the faith of our culture, they struggled to preserve their language, their religion and all their institutions. Being the good voyageurs that they were, they paddled against the current with great success! Millions of French-speaking Quebecers were ultimately assimilated to the English language throughout history, but they managed to remain strong in Quebec against all odds. Today, in 2005, as you can imagine, we are pretty sick of paddling against the current.

If you are interested in demolinguistics, I recommend you read these articles:

 * Demolinguistics of Quebec
 * Demolinguistics of Canada
 * Demolinguistics of the United States
 * Demolinguistics of Switzerland

-- Mathieugp 20:49, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Major employers
I have not heard back from anyone so I am just going to post the source of the list. If anyone has a problem let me know http://www.profitworks.ca/blog/902-blog/82-largest-employers-in-waterloo-and-kitchener —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.43.225 (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

The list of so called major employers seems arbitary. Does anybody object if that list was replaced by information published by the Region here?: http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/region.nsf/DocID/BAA71BA8546D426D85256AF700553209?OpenDocument

- Jdeboer

 * An excellent list; go for it. Radagast 00:58, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * I added the top ten, I know some people are going to be disappointed Research in Motion didn't make the list, but that is the way the chips fall. --Jdeboer 02:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Issues
Hi, It appears this article is referencing information I complied in 2010 on my website yet not providing my website as the source. Would it be possible to source my list via a link? The webpage is http://www.profitworks.ca/component/content/article/902-blog/82-largest-employers-in-waterloo-and-kitchener.

I plan up updating this list annually.

Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisrkeller (talk • contribs) 03:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Urban Sprawl needs to be added as one of the issues as this is done extensivly.

 * Done! I always thought that section looked odd with a single little sentence, anyway. Radagast 22:22, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * On the contrary, Waterloo Region is geographically small. Urban sprawl isn't much of a problem here. tyx (talk) 20:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

 * It's not? Ask anyone about the Waterloo moraine and they may say otherwise.  As the country's 4th densest CMA http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/popdwell/Table.cfm?T=205&SR=1&S=10&O=D&RPP=33 there are obviously debates about outwards vs upwards.  On the, uh, contrary, as a small geographical area any sprawl is magnified.

Camcurwood (talk) 02:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Other Issues
There are almost no citations, with entire sections having none.

These sentences seem to be speculation and off target: "As house prices in the Toronto area increase, Waterloo Region is increasingly becoming an attractive area to reside in." Is that really the main reason - is it not due to local growing employers such as RIM, the universities etc.? Would people worried about house prices in Toronto not stay in Mississauga, Oakville, Brampton, Oshawa etc. blah blah?

"This, among other factors, has made new residential construction rates very high;" -- Citation please. Houses for 160,00 $CDN are high? Compared to what?

"Waterloo is one of the fastest growing regions in the Golden Horseshoe." In Canada, actually: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/popdwell/Table.cfm?T=205&SR=1&S=5&O=D&RPP=33. Camcurwood (talk) 03:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right about the lack of citations, but it is true that a lot of people are moving to region due to much lower house prices. It's not the only reason, but it's certainly in the top 3.pjh3000 (talk) 03:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Lois Maxwell and the Notable Residents
I could not tell in what order the notable residents were listed (it looks like no order at all) so I added Lois into the third position, as she was born before those after, more famous than them all but Lewis, yet maybe not as 'important' as King and Seagram. Maybe we could come up with a good way to order the whole list. (Alphabetical?, earliest?) Camcurwood (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC).

Indigenous History
I am new to wikipedia editing but would like to spend some time updating and adding sources to pre-european arrival history of the region. I am curious who wrote the existing paragraph about the Attawanderon. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.210.143.50 (talk) 14:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

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Should Tri-Cities (Ontario) be merged here and deleted? Two articles about the same place. 2001:56A:F290:8900:680B:C464:2C5D:3FA6 (talk) 04:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Don't think there's anything worth merging from Tri-Cities (Ontario), probably can just delete William Spaetzel (talk) 13:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I've made Tri-Cities (Ontario) a redirect to here. Agreed with above, no reason for 2 articles. 2001:56A:F290:8900:3051:1E52:FF5:3B65 (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:List of coats of arms

At the moment section 3 "Personal Arms" has arms relating to a named individual, section 4 "Personal coats of arms" merely has a family name, but includes at least one example from a country which does not admit of family coats of arms, but holds the majority view as far as laws of arms, that the achievemnt is personal to the grantee, not to all members of the grantees family.

Improvement drive
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why is this an article rather than a category?
It sure looks like a category. —Tamfang (talk) 23:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

 * No, the category is Category:Coats of arms. I don't really see the point in this list. I think it could just as well be deleted, because I don't think anyone is updating it. Arms Jones (talk) 21:40, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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Ribon

Ribon (りぼん) is a monthly Japanese manga magazine published by Shueisha on the third of each month. First issued in August 1955, its rivals are Nakayoshi and Ciao. It is one of the best-selling manga magazines, having sold over 590million copies since 1978. Its circulation was in the millions between 1987 and 2001, peaking at 2.3million in 1994. In 2009, the magazine's circulation was 274,167. In 2010, the circulation dropped to 243,334.

The magazine's pages are printed on multicolored newsprint. Often exceeding 400 pages, the issues are distributed with a sackful of goodies ranging from small toys to colorful note pads themed around manga serialized in the magazine. In some issues, readers can send in stamps for mail order gifts. The manga series from the magazine are later compiled and published in book form under the Ribon Mascot Comics (RMC) imprint. Ribon has also inspired multiple spin-off magazines, including Bessatsu Ribon (1966–1968); Ribon Comics, renamed Junior Comics (1967–1968); Ribon Comic (1968–1971);  Ribon Deluxe (1975–1978); and Ribon Original (1981–2006).

Current

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 * Fancy Lala (1998)
 * Kagen no Tsuki (1998–1999)
 * Phantom Thief Jeanne (1998–2000)
 * Gals! (1998–2002)
 * St. Dragon Girl (1999–2003)

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 * Time Stranger Kyoko (2000–2001)
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Talk:Arthur Scargill

Industrial landscape / predictions
"Subsequent events in the inductrial landscape of the UK saw Scargill's position during the strike largely vindicated." How exactly? No one would dispute the industrial landscape has changed, everyone thought it would and most far-sighted people saw it needed to. What was his particular position about it? How have subsequent events vindicated him? The industrial landscape of the country has dramatically changed but the economy has grown markedly. Doesn't that along with numerous other lines of evidence actually point to his being mistaken.

Until this statement is substantiated and supported, I'm removing it. --82.38.224.70 20:51, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the point was that Scargill foresaw the mass closures of mines across the UK and was thus right to take a stand despire pressure not to. See for example,, which declares "History shows us that all Scargill predicted did indeed come to pass."  I think it's important to make this point in the article, though it could be done in a more NPOV way.

 * That's an opinion not a fact. The UK mining industry had been in decline in terms of output, mines open and people employed ever since World War I so it did not take a genius to work out that this would continue. Was Scargill right to try to halt this decline through strike action (in fact - was this ever a realistic way of combatting the closures)?

That is the question, and not one I think we can answer even today. Failure to hold a ballot was certainly a tactical error that allowed the Labour Party to avoid declaring support for the strike.

Exile 11:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Acegikmo1 05:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"The industrial landscape of the country has dramatically changed but the economy has grown markedly." So the economy growing is the only thing that matters? The USA for example has the largest economy in the world but it has 12 percent of people living below the poverty line.

True - but the UK has a welfare system. Unemployment is now lower than at the time of the strike and the pit closures. Former mining villages and towns are obviously suffering - but this is a process that had been going on for decades before the strike and is repeated in other industries such as textiles, steel and railways. In other words, the UK has, for the last 100 years, gradually ceased to be a major manufacturing and heavy industrial economy (except in, ironically, arms). There are many reasons for this but the fact remains that despite (?) this decline, people in Britain are wealthier, healthier, longer lived (albeit maybe not happier) than at any time in the past.

Scargill believed this process could be halted by strike action - was this at all realistic?

That's not the point. This is Wikipedia, not a politics forum. The salient fact here is that Scargill predicted the almost total collapse of British heavy industry under Thatcher and he was, in retrospect, correct. It's not Wikipedia's job to discus the pragmatism (or otherwise) of his position.

Exile 11:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No one is claiming the economy is all that matters but, by God, it matters a lot. Try living in the developing world and then tell me economic growth isn't important. Moreover, poverty figures from the US are frequently misused. This is because they are defined differently from the UK; for example, often they are defined pre-welfare payments rather than post. Secondly the larger economy in the US means that the average citizen is wealthier than the average UK citizen. From a utilitarian perspective (often adopted by the left in decrying the wealthy few for the poorer many), this would be seen as better despite the "impoverished" minority. I'm a British citizen but I hate the bashing that the US always gets over here, especially the intellectual left.

Returning to Scargill's predictions, I would say that the majority of his predictions, however banal they may have been, came to pass in fact if not in opinion. That the coal mining industry all but collapsed means he was correct in predicting it; however, the motives he ascribed to the government of the time are not necessarily correct. Has any Tory politician ever admitted to wanting to destroy coalmining (the industry, not the unions)? It is important for the article to make this distinct: that one can predict outcomes and one can predict reasons for those outcomes. Scargill was often right on the former, but I have my doubts to the latter.

I also take Exile's point that easy predictions shouldn't be attributed. Anyone can spot the obvious. Panlane 11:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Arthur Scargill - what is his legacy? How should we view him?
I posting this to start a discussion on Arthur Scargill and the way he is entered into the Wikipedia currently which I feel is biased and not objective. Particularly:

1. "fiery and effective orator" I feel that this should be altered to "a fiery and effective orator with sympathetic audiences". It was his lack of effective persuasiveness and communication to the general British public that resulted in him being such a marginalised and ultimately ineffective politician - he had a crushing defeat by the Thatcher government with the unsuccessful miner's strike.

 * Even his opponents regarded him as effective. Its fair to say it was one of his atributes so we should take the "sympathetic audiences" bit out. Thatcher was the same. She was opposed by the majority of the population consistently but you cant take her charisma and effective speeches away from her.

2. He managed to destroy the National Union of Miners which split during his leadership.

 * Thats POV. For a start the NUM was a powerful union right up until they were annilated, 1992 onwards is when they were finished. Also you cant ignore the government and coal boards role in trying to nuture the UDM to weaken the NUM.

He did split the union, which had been united until the 1984 strike.

Exile 11:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

3. Although he was elected with an 'overwhelming majority' when he became lifelong President of the NUM many observers felt it was a 'fix'. At the time the election was surrounded by controversy as he suddenly and with little warning ( six weeks) decided to put a vote to the membership for this change in status (previous Presidents were re-elected at regular intervals. This 'gamesmanship' resulted in no effective alternatives having time to organize and campaign.

 * I take it your refereing to his retirement? That was dodgy but you'll need to get some sources before putting it in.

4. Any way you look at it Arthur Scargill was considered to be way outside the mainstream and largely out of touch with reality - at the time he was referred to as 'the loony left'. Unlike other far left politicians such as Tony Benn or Michael Foot he never managed to really use influence effectively and gain any direct or elected political - somehow I'd suggest that needs to be reflected in the profile.

 * Again POV. Its right to say he was way way way outside the mainstream. Saying he never used his influence effectivley is wide of the mark. He was instrumental in defeating Heath in 1972 and toppling the Tories in 1974 and the 84 stike was a very close run thing. Mr Benn and Mr Foot never toppled any enemy government.

 * 'Mr Benn and Mr Foot never toppled any enemy government.' That was Arthur's problem. Benn and Foot are democrats and wouldn't dream of toppling the enemy except at the ballot box. Scargill toppled one elected government, and wanted to repeat the performance. Such behaviour didn't endear him to a lot of people, and unsurprisingly the Tories were better prepared second time around...

 * How was it a `close-run' thing? There were famous stock-piling mountains of coal, higher than the power stations. Thatcher didn't exactly need to negotiate at any point; the end was a whimper of people returning to work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.8 (talk) 01:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately in the final analysis Scargill failed himself and the people he purported to represent - how can this be put in to balance the entry which seems to infer he was successful at some level?

Opinions?

Nick

 * He led the NUM were defeated. Was it his fault? Thats debateable at best. "purported"? He was the elected leader of the NUM. He won a landslide in 1980 when elected president and won convincingly after the strike.

What is this myth that Scargill toppled a government? 1974 was THE most democratic thing that Britain ever had. There was a union v government dispute, and Ted Heath [not Arthur Scargill] called an election on it for the electorate to decide. The electorate decided in favour of the unions. What exactly could have been more democratic than that? Epa101 10:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Foreign policy initiatives
How come there's no mention of Scargill's visits with and/or rhetorical support for Ghaddafi and various leaders of communist governments? He was pretty much the George Galloway of his day... AnonMoos 20:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * How come? Well if you can find evidence of this, do so and put it in the article. Wonder if you have got the point of wikipedia? -- 11:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC) User:Exile

 * Like it or not, his alleged Libyan and/or Soviet connections were very well-known and controversial in the 1980's, and it's faintly ridiculous that there's nothing about them in the Wikipedia article. However, I should have said that he mainly gratefully accepted support from the Ghaddafi and/or so-called "Soviet workers" (apparently with rather little concern about ethical considerations or probable political consequences)... AnonMoos (talk) 13:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Libel etc
It is not Ok to write sentences in the article along the lines of "many people think he was a criminal"! He was accused of specific things which were tested in court or in NUm enquiries. The accusations and the results of these enquiries is NPOV. Johncmullen1960 04:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Libel must be a believable and specific accusation. Calling Scargill names is simply abuse. If name calling was libel, Scargill would be defending thousands of civil actions. "Eh by gum, Thatcher is Torey scoom and thief." "whig" means horse thief in Scottish Gaelic. "tory" means thief in Irish Gaelic. "NUM" means retarted c*cks*cker in Waghinese, so by precedent, that is what Scargill is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.87.74 (talk) 00:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Scargill on Industrial Democracy?
I'm looking for information about Scargill's positions on the Bullock Report and Workers' Control more broadly. I gather that Scargill opposed workers' control, but I don't have any information as to what his objections were based on. Any sources on this would be appreciated. -Father Inire 14:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't have specific information on Scargill's position, but the debate usually revolves around: 'there is no point in getting involved in so-called 'workers control' when the enterprise is still owned by the capitalists' . So it's often a discussion around workers control versus workers ownership . If you don't own it, why get involved in running an enterprise that, by definition (if you take that point of view) exploits you. Scargill was originally in the Communist Party and would have taken a broadly Marxist view on matters like this. A Google search for "Scargill workers control" threw up some potential sources. - Dave Smith 18:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Stalin citations
Does anyone else have a problem with the "he supports Stalin" references in the current article ? I suppose they might be true but I smell a rat. The independent article cites a Morning star column that is supposedly written by a member of the Stop the War coalition. Apparently another "Stalin apologist". Frankly, the Morning Star ?!?! It could very well have been made up and they have had to pay damages to the subject of the article. Something is wrong. I call for more research here, especially in light of Wikipedia's "Biographies of Living Persons" guideline. Thankyou. 82.27.245.84 (talk) 13:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Johann Hari has an article in the Independant which confirms this. He is an admirer of Stalin. If knowbody else puts this is I will. RicoRichmond (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

 * It is in the article, see under 'Founding of the Socialist Labour Party'. Philip Cross (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Johann Hari's article in New Statesman, which is the only reference currently Wikipedia gives for this, does tell two anecdotes to back up the "Stalin apologist" claim. The author may have witnessed the first in person, although it's not clear if this is the case, or what the source was otherwise. Hari offers no source for the anecdote about what Scargill is supposed to have said to Krushchev. Hari doesn't mention Solidarity. There is no Wikipedia article called 'Founding of the Socialist Labour Party'. The article Socialist Labour Party currently doesn't make any claims of support for Stalin, but does describe conflict with Stalinist organisations and expulsion of their members from the SLP. Dependent Variable (talk) 11:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we can, by now, safely discount the use of anything written by Johann Hari as a WP:RS, especially where there are WP:BLP concerns.FrFintonStack (talk) 02:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the accuracy of Johann Hari's piece was never denied, so it stands. Scargill's Stalinism is well-known and long standing. Here's what he said to Kruschev when he visited the Soviet Union:

 * “You can’t get rid of him [Stalin] by removing his body from the mausoleum, you know. You can’t rewrite history and he did play a valuable part during World War Two.” [Quoted in Scargill and the Miners Michael Crick, Penguin, p32, see here]

Here's what he said about his reasons for leaving the Communist Party:

 * “I disagreed with the Russians not allowing dissidents to leave the country... I also objected to the moving of Stalin’s body outside the mausoleum and changing the name of Stalingrad. It would be like us trying to pretend Churchill never existed. It was distorting history. And I didn’t like the personal discipline of the party. They wanted me to sell the Daily Worker on Fridays, but I had union business to look after on a Friday so I joined the Co-operative Party.” [J. Mortimer, In Character, p66, Penguin, Harmondsworth, 1984.]

And here's him later:

 * “Following the death of Stalin in 1953, new forces seized control in the Soviet Union, and a so-called ‘new realism’ began to take the place of Socialist planning. Khruschev, Breznev, later Andropov, Chernenko, but above all, Gorbachev did what the might of the Nazi army had failed to do—they ripped the heart out of the Soviet Union and destroyed its Socialist system. They opened the door to the ‘free market’ which has produced mass unemployment, poverty, a life expectancy of 46 (compared with 76 under Soviet Socialism)...”

It's a lock. He is a Stalinist. His membership of the British Stalinist Society puts it beyond doubt anyway even without the above. Does this extend to his SLP? Well, let's ask one of its leading lights, Harpal Brar:

 * “unlike the revisionists and Trotskyists, the SLP honours and cherishes the great achievements of socialism in the USSR. It refuses to denounce that legendary communist, Joseph Stalin. For that reason, deservedly in my view, Comrade Scargill has been denounced by the counter-revolutionary Trots and revisionist liquidators as a dictatorial ‘Stalinist’—a badge that I have told him he ought to wear with honour.”

So not only is the SLP an avowedly Stalinist party, but according to Harpal Brar, Scargill is also a Stalinist and should be proud of it. FOARP (talk) 05:33, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Family and personal life
The only family member mentioned in the article is his father. Can anyone add other family members or anything about his personal relationships etc? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

National Ballot.
Mr Scargill was criticised for not holding a National Ballot for the strike. An explanation for this was made by miners involved in the Strike. One said; 'The problem Arthur faced was that many miners thought their jobs were safe and were unlikely to vote in favour of a strike. Arthur could see that the Conservatives only plans for the mining industry was to close it down. If he held a Ballot and lost it would have amounted to the Mining Union voting it's self out of existence'. For Mr Scargill to have held a Ballot it would have been a betrayal of everything he ever stood for and everyone he ever cared about in the Mining Industry and in Politics.Johnwrd (talk) 20:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cared deeply I would say. He was eventually told by the NUM that they were not there as his personal bank account (....and never was). During the 80s, strikers would die if he wanted them to do as such, and only recently would the NUM tell him to come back down on earth. They failed, and they needed a verdict from the Supreme court to confirm they had no obligations towards Arthur Scargill. He could call for the deaths of many miners, but he can't even get a flat in London free of charge. --Stat-ist-ikk (talk) 21:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Restructuring
For a figure as important and well-known as Scargill, this article is a hell of a mess.

I propose a restructuring -- perhaps along these lines Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Early life
 * Education
 * YCL membership

Career in the NUM
 * as Pit Delegate
 * as Yorkshire Area Sec
 * as President

Miners Strike

Political Career
 * Clause 4
 * SLP

 * I would go for it, it can only get better. Keith D (talk) 21:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

A dying industry
Arthur Scargills actions probably changed little. The British univerities, compared to the German, offered few places for studying mining engineering. Equally Fewer and fewer young men were willing to go down the pit, although open cast mining might survive.

It is a matter of record that during the discussion about the possible closure of a Kent coal mine, all the underground mine staff present wanted the mine to close. As one of them summed up the situation "I don't want any son of mine to have to go down that pit".

With the increasing use of oil and gas firing for power stations and fewer recruits etc deep mining was a dying industry. It is possible that the members of the Decomcratic mine workers union had already realised this and that a head on confrontation with the Thatcher government would only speed up the run down, which is what happened.

Add to these circumstances the total lack of public sympathy for the miners and the Thatcher government were always likely to win against the miners. During the miners strike was the now almost forgotten ambulance drivers strike. The Ambulance drivers did have the public sympathy, the Thatcher govenment realised this and rapidly settled this pay dispute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 (talk) 09:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

 * It's total rubbish to say that there was no public sympathy for the miners during the strike. There was massive support, as witnessed by mass demonstrations and large amounts of money being collected in solidarity. The country was sharply divided between those supporting the miners and those supporting the government. It was the nearest thing to a civil war in the UK since the General Strike.  SmokeyTheCat    •TALK•  07:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Judging by opinion polls, though, the majority of the public did not support the miners. As the strike went on, more and more people were alienated from supporting the miners due to their brutal methods.--Britannicus (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That is purely your opinion. "Brutal methods" ? Five miners were killed in the strike, no policemen were. Which side was brutal?  SmokeyTheCat    •TALK•  13:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, what about the two miners jailed for murder after they killed a car driver by dropping a concrete block onto him off a bridge? Ben Finn (talk) 15:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Whatever load of money Germany puts in on the coal industry, they are not as much efficient. Britain gears out say 8 or 9 percent of its proven coal reserves. Germany gears out half a percent. Dying industry indeed. --82.134.28.194 (talk) 12:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

 * This talkpage is for suggested improvements to the article, not for general discussions of its subject.FrFintonStack (talk) 02:05, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Retirement
As Honorary President, Scargill received generous benefits. These include £33,000 p.a. for the rental and running costs of a flat in London and various other benefits said to total £5000 p.a.

He is currently threatening legal action against the NUM for the withdrawal of some of these benefits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.56.53 (talk) 09:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Cadre?
From the lede "he became one of its leading cadres"... Can an individual be a cadre?  Tigerboy1966  11:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Ya'qub ibn Tariq

Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq (يعقوب بن طارق; referred to by some sources as Yaʿqūb; died c. 796) was an 8th-century Persian astronomer and mathematician who lived in Baghdad.

Career
Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq was active in Baghdad as an astronomer during the rule of the second Abbasid caliph, al-Manṣūr ((r. 754 – 775)). He seems not to have been aware of Ptolemaic astronomy, and used a Zoroastrian calendar, which consisted of 12 months of 30 days each, with any remaining days being added after the eighth month, Ābān.

Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq's treatise dealt with cosmography (the placement and sizes of the heavenly bodies). The estimations of their sizes and distances in were tabulated in the 11th century by the polymath al-Bīrūnī, in his work on India. According to al-Bīrūnī, Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq gave the radius of the Earth as 1,050, the diameter of the Moon and Mercury as 5,000 (4.8 Earth radii), and the diameter of the other heavenly bodies (Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn) as 20,000  (19.0 Earth radii). He wrote that each of the planets had six associated spheres, that the Sun possessed two spheres, and the Moon three. He also spoke of planetary epicycles and speeds. His values for the longitudes and apogees of celestial objects originated from a Persian set of astronomical tables, the written by Yazdegerd III, although he used methods originating from the work of Indian astronomers to calculate the lunar phases.

The Christian astrologer Ibn Hibintā mentioned Yaʿqūb, noting that he used the positions of the Sun and the stars to determine the latitude of places.

Works
Works ascribed to Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq include:
 * ("Astronomical Tables in the 'Sindhind' Resolved for each Degree");
 * ("Arrangement of the Orbs"). Part of this work, the earliest surviving description of the celestial sky by an Islamic astronomer, is preserved by Ibn Hibintā.
 * ("Rationales");
 * ("Distribution of the of the Sine");
 * ("Elevation along the Arc of the Meridian").

An astrological work, ("The Chapters"), is ascribed to Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq by an unreliable source.

Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq's zij, written in around 770, was based on a Sanskrit work, thought to be similar to the Brāhmasphuṭasiddhānta. It was brought to the court of al-Mansūr, the third caliph of the Fatimid Caliphate, from Sindh, reportedly by the Sindhi astronomer Kankah.

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Grimbergen (beer)

Grimbergen is the brand name of a variety of Belgian abbey beers. Originally made by Norbertine monks in the Belgian town of Grimbergen, it is now brewed by different breweries in Belgium, France, Poland and Italy.

History
The name derives from the Norbertine abbey, which Saint Norbert of Xanten founded in Grimbergen in 1128. It is in this abbey that the beer was first brewed by the monks. They became famous for providing hospitality and their home-brewed beer to visitors. The monks reputedly handed down the recipe over the centuries. When French invaders closed down the monastery at the end of the 18th century, the brewing activities here stopped also. Later, when the abbey was re-established, the brewing activities were not resumed and the monks ordered their beer from local breweries.

Current breweries
In 1958 Brouwerij Maes (Maes Brewery) contacted the monks at the abbey with the proposal to commercialize the dark beer that Maes had developed under the brand name "Grimbergen". Until 1978, Grimbergen Dubbel and Tripel were brewed in the brewery in Waarloos (part of the municipality of Kontich). After that date, the production moved to Brasserie Union in Jumet. Since the closure of the plant in Jumet in 2007, the production moved to the Brouwerij van Alken (Brewery of Alken) located in Alken.

The beers marketed under the brand name Grimbergen are now brewed by two different companies. Alken-Maes located in Alken in Belgium brewed the beer before 2008. Alken-Maes was taken over by Heineken International in 2008. As part of the takeover the brand name Grimbergen was transferred to Carlsberg Group, but Heineken was given a long-term license to use the brand name in Belgium. As a result Alken-Maes brews the beer for the Belgian market, while Carlsberg is responsible for the marketing outside Belgium of the beers that it brews under the Grimbergen name at its Kronenbourg Brewery located in France. In the Netherlands, Grolsch Brewery is responsible for the marketing of Grimbergen that is brewed by Alken-Maes. This is however no longer that simple! According to the bottle declaration, the 330 ml bottles are made by Carlsberg's brewery in Poland. The green variety Belgian Pale Ale (75cl) is likewise brewed at Carlsberg Italia, Induno Olona. In 2019, the abbey announced that it would start producing its own beer again, which increased the number of producers to three instead of two.

Varieties
The Alken Maes brewery in Belgium and the Kronenbourg Brewery in France have developed different varieties. The Belgian varieties are: Blond, Dubbel (brown), Tripel (blond), Optimo Bruno (brown), and the latest innovation Grimbergen Gold (blond).

In France there is a range of different varieties that are unknown in the country of origin:
 * La Blonde - 6.7%
 * La Rouge - 6%
 * La Ambrée - 6.5%
 * La Blanche - 6%
 * La Réserve - 8.5%

A limited edition Christmas Beer (Brassin de Noël) is sometimes produced for the year-end festivities.

Label and slogan
The label on the beer Grimbergen has always featured the mythological phoenix. In late 2010 the label was thoroughly renovated: the phoenix came more to the forefront and was modernized. The top of the label reads: "Phoenix", and below "Ardet nec consumitur". This means "burned but not destroyed." This is the slogan of the abbey and refers both to the Burning Bush of scripture (which burned but was not destroyed by the flames), and to the fact that the abbey has been destroyed by fire many times and was always rebuilt and was able to survive. In other words, it rose again like a phoenix.

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Michael Lucas

Michael Lucas may refer to:

 * Michael Lucas, 2nd Baron Lucas of Chilworth (1926–2001), British peer and Conservative politician
 * Michael Lucas (political activist) (1926—2020), artist, designer, and political activist
 * Mike Lucas (cricketer) (born 1944), Australian cricketer
 * Mike Lucas (born 1959), football coach
 * Michael Lucas (director) (born 1972), performer in and director of gay pornographic films
 * Michael Lucas (Australian filmmaker), Australian screenwriter and producer, writer of TV series The Newsreader (2021)

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Gil Bellows

Gil Bellows (born June 28, 1967) is a Canadian actor, screenwriter, and director. He is best known for the roles of Tommy Williams in the 1994 movie The Shawshank Redemption, Billy Thomas in the Fox television series Ally McBeal (1997–2002), and CIA agent Matt Callan in the CBS television series The Agency (2001–2003). In 2016–2017, he was a regular cast member in the USA Network series Eyewitness.

Early life
Bellows was born in Vancouver, British Columbia, and attended Magee Secondary School with fellow future actor Carrie-Anne Moss. After graduation, he pursued a career in acting, studying at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in Los Angeles, California.

Career
Bellows is known for his first motion-picture role as Tommy in The Shawshank Redemption (1994). Also in 1994, he played the lead role Watty Watt in Love and a .45 with Renée Zellweger, Billy Thomas in the television series Ally McBeal, and CIA agent Matt Callan in the television series The Agency. Bellows also appeared in the psychological thriller Chasing Sleep as Detective Derm, opposite star Jeff Daniels. He appeared in The Weather Man as a perverted rehabilitation counsellor. He was in the films Black Day Blue Night, Snow White: A Tale of Terror, as Will, and Un amour de sorcière, a French film, as Michael Firth (1997). He has appeared on the Hallmark Channel original film Final Days of Planet Earth and the Canadian television series Terminal City.

In 2007, he completed filming for Kill Kill Faster Faster, which is a contemporary film noir inspired by the critically acclaimed novel of the same name by Joel Rose.

Bellows also played a State Department Officer in 24: Redemption, a television film prequel to the seventh season of 24.

He starred in the Super Channel science-fiction adventure thriller film Infected.

Bellows has also appeared as Maxwell Lord on Smallville in the Season 9 episodes "Charade" and "Hostage".

In 2010, Bellows had a recurring role in FlashForward as Timothy, a window-washer who becomes a born-again Christian and evangelist after a near-death experience. Bellows also co-starred in the movie Unthinkable that same year.

He co-starred with Steve Austin and Eric Roberts in the 2010 action film Hunt to Kill, and in 2011 co-starred with Macha Grenon and Julia Stone in The Year Dolly Parton Was My Mom. He starred in the 2012 feature film Fury. In some second-season episodes (2012) of Boss he appeared as a casino investor.

In 2014, Bellows starred with Tricia Helfer in the Syfy miniseries Ascension, a retro space opera / murder mystery about the 600-person crew of the USS Ascension, an Orion-class nuclear pulse propulsion spaceship, on its secret 100-year journey to Proxima Centauri, having been launched in 1963 by President Kennedy. Bellows played Harris Enzmann, the son of the founder of the Ascension project, who oversees its progress from a secret facility on Earth.

On October 16, 2016, Bellows debuted as a cast regular in USA Network's new, 10-episode, straight-to-series police drama, Eyewitness. He plays Gabe Caldwell, a veterinarian and the husband of Sheriff Helen Torrance (series lead Julianne Nicholson). The sheriff is trying to solve what appears to be a random triple-murder in a turkey farmer's home. But as the series begins to unfold, she is unaware that the farmer's teenage son and his male friend—the latter of whom also happens to be Gabe and Helen's foster son; at first, unbeknownst to either parent—had been secretly exploring new feelings for each other just prior to the carnage, witnessed the murders. The killer is still at large, is someone she wouldn't normally suspect, and is determined to permanently silence the witness he saw hiding. Meanwhile, off the clock and at home, Caldwell and Torrance seem to enjoy a genuinely happy marriage. The series, although set in mainly in the Hudson River Valley, was actually filmed in Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada.

In 2019, Bellows guest-starred as the unnamed maternity doctor in season 3, episode 9, of Hulu's The Handmaid's Tale.

Personal life
Gil Bellows is married to American actress Rya Kihlstedt and the couple have two children.

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Tree hugger

Tree hugger may refer to:
 * A term used for the Bishnois, who perished in the Khejarli massacre while protecting trees
 * A slang term, sometimes derogatory, for environmentalists
 * Chipko movement, an environmental movement in India
 * TreeHugger, a sustainability website
 * The Tree Hugger Project, an environmental art project

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Aram Chobanian

Aram Van Chobanian (August 10, 1929 – August 31, 2023) was an American academic administrator. He served as president ad interim of Boston University from 2003 until June 9, 2005, when, in recognition of Chobanian's work, the board of trustees voted to remove “ad interim” from his title and designate him the ninth president of Boston University. He had succeeded John Silber, who had reassumed the presidency on an interim basis after Jon Westling resigned to return to teaching. In September 2005, Chobanian was succeeded by Robert A. Brown as president of Boston University. Chobanian was the first recipient of the Lifetime Achievement Award in Hypertension of the American Heart Association.

A cardiologist, Chobanian held a B.A. from Brown University and an M.D. from Harvard Medical School in 1955. Before accepting the interim position in 2003, he was the Dean of the Boston University School of Medicine.

Relationship with Armenia
An Armenian-American, Chobanian was a member at the board of directors of the Fund for Armenian Relief. He was involved in several programs to improve health care in Armenia. These have included the training of Armenian physicians, nurses, and other health professionals in emergency medicine, trauma care, and health care management; development of medical residency and post-graduate educational programs in Armenia; establishment of a successful medical student elective program for US medical students to spend one to two months in Armenian hospitals and clinics; and the provision of much-needed medical equipment, supplies, and medications to Armenia.

Chobanian was elected a Foreign Member of the National Academy of Sciences of Armenia. He was the recipient of the Gold Medal from the Yerevan State Medical University. Catholicos Aram I recently bestowed the St. Mesrob-Mashtots Medal on Chobanian.

Death
Chobanian died on August 31, 2023, at the age of 94.

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